Her 2012 album Visions will be released on 4AD. Net strangers I've come to trust rate it.
The lead leak is electro-Frankie Valli.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpKqQ8fsBQs
― der dukatenscheisser (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
We have a Grimes thread? Oh man! This is the year when Montreal's weird noise pop electronic stuff is going to get attention! Excited!
Looking v. much forward to this album. Vanessa was a highlight of 2011 and while 2009's Geidi Primes is still her best album, Halfaxa was good and her live shows have only improved with time.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
oh cool - this was one of the things that lamp posted on his sandbox thread that i really liked a lot
― sarahel, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 08:47 (twelve years ago) link
New track available here. Good stuff.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=olP3279j5_0
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
this one is the one I love (right now).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEeQ758ldqo
― fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
Whoa. I don't think I have that - which album is it from?
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:02 (twelve years ago) link
from what I understand it is another track from the new one.
― fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
terrible
― waka flocka dimes (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:40 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think you're in her demographic, sweet
― gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 07:46 (twelve years ago) link
i am not sure i can get with this girl's voice
― all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:31 (twelve years ago) link
probably an unfair comparison but i think of her in connection with gazelle twin, who i discovered at the same time on that sandbox thread, and gazelle twin's music is so much more affecting
― all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:32 (twelve years ago) link
very strange girl! (unf, i also think she might be one of those people for whom an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing. hope i'm wrong.)
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
I just got the press release.
Moving to Montreal from Vancouver in 2006, she developed Grimes among the city’s burgeoning DIY scene; a scene where both punk ethos and pop music collide, resulting in a distinct sense of community, religiosity and psychedelic revelry.
Were it not for the word "psychedelic" that description brought to mind mall punk.
This new set incorporates influences as wide as Enya, TLC and Aphex Twin, whilst drawing from genres like New Jack Swing, IDM, New Age, K-pop, Industrial and glitch resulting in a record that is both otherworldly and futuristic.
That mix of references simultaneously makes me cringe and curious.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
lists of "influences" are always cringeworthy
― Number None, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing
It's interesting you'd say that! I'm excited for her success, in a "get money, find rat-free living" sort of way. And although I def feel there's going to be success for Arbutus in the next couple years, I can't say that cash flow + hype is going to have a necessarily positive effect on that scene
― gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
's musical output.
― gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
Well BRAIDS has already jumped up out of that scene and into hype, and Native Speaker was a gorgeous record. Curious to see if/when/what Blue Hawaii release next.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 6 January 2012 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
I'm listening to the split with d'Eon from last year at the moment and this is my main issue, although it's only a couple of tracks where it sounds annoying.
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
I listened to Halfaxa and wasn't really feeling it - did I start in the wrong place?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, i've got an album by her and it's OK, but not much more
― Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Geidi Prime is stronger than Halfaxa, imo.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
But I dunno, it depends on what part of it you aren't feeling.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
I think "Oblivion" - the first single from the 4AD album - is better than almost anything she's recorded.
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
"Oblivion" is awesome. Those synths sounds like universes collapsing on themselves.
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
Huh, weird, coz I think Halfaxa >>>> Geidi Prime, it's less focused but it's more ambitious and better realised. I don't hear Enya or TLC or Aphex Twin in her music, but it does give an idea of the scope of her range. But then again, at other times, I like her coz she reminds me of those 4AD 4-track weirdoes like Danielle Dax or His Name Is Alive.
Quite pleased that certain elements dislike her (heh) but it is distinctly odd to see her popping up in the NME every now and then. I think she might actually have the ability to sustain making good music despite the hype cycle - someone's third album is a much better place for the hype to kick in, rather than, y'know, the third song.
Damn, I wish I'd saved other links from my arty experimental gothy electronica sandbox thread. The only other artists I can remember having a consensus on were Emika and maybe Laurel Halo? I don't feel like starting it up again.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
Barbara Panther, Niki & the Dove, Gazelle Twin, Julia Holter, and iamamiwhoami also got shoutouts.
― Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
And Austra.
― LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
this leaked. and it's good, but I don't think it will convince anyone who wasn't prone to be convinced by the previous stuff.
― fffv, Saturday, 21 January 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago) link
i really don't know what i think of this album
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
there are bits of it that are OH FUCK YES, and there are bits that i am just not down with and a lot of the time it's like she's nearly hitting the spot and then nothing happens
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
I'm loving the background vocals on Vowels = space and time.
Skin is also an early favourite.
Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?
This is an album of wonderful moments. Not all of them are 'songs' for me yet, but a lot of them are.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
I quite like "Oblivion," not sure yet about the rest.
― jaymc, Friday, 3 February 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
When is this out, properly? Really want to hear this, the comments are piquing my interest.
― Drexciya's Midnight Runners (Wheal Dream), Friday, 3 February 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
really digging this myself
― Chris S, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
from what I understand, this is out on either the 21st of this month (Arbutus, US and Canada) or the 12th of next month (4AD, most everywhere else). and I hope that previous comments did not imply that I lack enthusiasm. I love Visions a lot, but despite all of the pop aspirations it feels like it was built to inspire obsession from a limited audience.
― fffv, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
She definitely has the charm and hooks to pull to a wider audience but her songwriting could use some editing... many times it does sound like the songs drift without any specific purpose and as a whole it drags.
― Moka, Saturday, 4 February 2012 05:55 (twelve years ago) link
For legit consumers, Visions streaming in its entirety
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Can't. Don't have the bandwidth!
*cries*
Why couldn't this have been available 2 weeks ago when I still had all you can eat broadband?
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
Given there's nothing on the album I'm bored by, I think editing would inevitably mean reducing the idiosyncratic facets I'm charmed by.
Best thing about Grimes: she has such disinterest (contempt?) for lyrical content as she chirps through her baby birdsong. She might as well be the electropop version of Juliana Barwick..
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeh this is excellent
― nathey, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
"skin" is very pretty, but a bit insubstantial, tho i guess "insubstantial" is kinda the point. soft, sweet, ghostly. don't hear no afx, but enya sure. and i don't hate enya, but i don't love this. got bored before the 6 minutes were up.
"oblivion" is much more immediate. the nothing lyrics are kind of selling me, "look into my eyes and la la la la la, see you on a dark night". that's great! love the synths at the end, too.
want more songs like "oblivion"
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
dunno, but it's v nice. enya influence is even more prominent at the beginning, but j-lo too? love the shift to dark propulive beats halfway through.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
For lex:Grimes namechecked a similar/sympatico artist Mozart's Sister whose voice might be more to your liking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1u4v2LIfU
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
^ Also of Montreal.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
I'm gonna bookmark this thread for when I've topped up my data bcuz "electronic Juliana Barwick" = WCC catnip if I wasn't onboard already (which I have been since Halfaxa)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
so she made this on garageband, huh?
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
Mozart's Sister is also v. good!
They have a three track EP called DEAR FEAR from last year. Maybe they have other stuff too? Not sure.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
yaaaaaarg, just listening to her stuff now (i'm always way late with everything) and enjoying it a lot. i just took a break from some incredibly bureaucratic shit at work to watch this video and i don't..think..i can go back to work again today
― tmi but (Z S), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
Skin reminds me of a mix between Enya and Natalie Imbruglia's smoke. Am I too off?
― Moka, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
Really can't believe we have come to a point where evoking the names Stacy Q and Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam results in a positive fucking review. I give up.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
I love this album cover!
http://www.tellallyourfriendspr.com/sites/default/files/GrimesVisions.jpg
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Friday, 17 February 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, is awesome. post in the best of 2012 thread!
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 17 February 2012 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
after being completely underwhelmed by anything i heard of hers before this record (i'm kind of with lex on the voice thing), i'm really enjoying "oblivion" and "circumabient"
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 February 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
Fucking adore this record.
Funny that Alex in Montreal referred to Braids upthread as this album strikes me as something of an electronic equivalent, simultaneously tuneful and spacious and drifting (whereas I think Juliana Barwick is a bit of a misleading point of comparison).
"Skin" esp. is wonderful.
― Tim F, Saturday, 18 February 2012 06:44 (twelve years ago) link
i gave this a few more tries and while there's nothing i actively dislike about her music, neither is there anything hooking me back in - it's all vaguely "interesting", also very unmemorable and lite.
― if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 February 2012 11:14 (twelve years ago) link
cf julianna barwick who hooked me straight away, and gazelle twin whose music i absolutely adore sinking into. grimes has no gravitas.
― if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 February 2012 11:15 (twelve years ago) link
the cover of this record is really really bad. if you're going to rip off the sacred bones design scheme (which i really love), at least do it well!
― jonathan - stl, Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
ripoff Sacred Bones serifs + some Cyrillic lorem ipsum + some 1994-bad-sci-fi-book-cover graphics + giant in-class notebook doodle-looking thing = a mess and I like it
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Tim. The BRAIDS reference was not accidental.
Visions is getting a 4AD release in the rest of the world, but Grimes and BRAIDS and Blue Hawaii a couple of other bands in the same general aesthetic universe were all on the same local label for a few years based out of Montreal.
A bunch of their early stuff is available for download by donation at the Arbutus website, including Geidi Primes and Halfaxa, the first two Grimes albums, and Blue Hawaii's Blooming Summer.
Not that that necessarily implies that they sound *the same* but their music is definitely in conversation with each other.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
And 'Skin' continues to be the standout for me - the first Grimes track that's hit me emotionally.
(That's not a backhanded compliment - I love the rest of her stuff, but Skin really gets to me.)
Other standouts: Infinite <3 without fulfillment, Genesis, Oblivion, Vowels = space and time, Be a Body (侘寂). Possibly Nightmusic.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
thanks for the links and suggestions, alex!
― tmi but (Z S), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
Of the first two Grimes album, I think Halfaxa is a bit more like this one - it's the clear transition to the kind of thing she's doing now, but I love Geidi Primes - it's a little less cohesive, but there's a lot of cool stuff going on.
The Blue Hawaii tape was one of my favourite albums of 2010 - the standout is 'Blue Gowns'. Blue Hawaii's vocalist = the lead vocalist from BRAIDS which should help determine if it's your thing or if you should steer clear - (aka this is a warning for Lex)
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
The Geidi Primes cover is also really lovely:
http://hangout.altsounds.com/geek/gars/images/1/2/8/3/8/tumblr_l0qlcwbcft1qz8wqzo1_400.png
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Halfaxa got another similar weird "skull" motif cover everywhere else, but in Canada we got a photo negative of a topless woman with a bunch of purple.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QGXPM_BonA#!
Just found this - apparently there was a re-release of 'Halfaxa' with this track tossed in the middle of it and I never found out? This is lovely.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
laurel halo did an awesome remix of that track
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
And naturally it's not available anywhere but Europe. Dammit. (The Original. Not the Remix)
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
if you're going to rip off the sacred bones design scheme
well, it does "rip off" the sacred bones design scheme (general layout, fonts), but also pushes beyond it in interesting ways. and the drawing is wonderful. one of my favorite album covers of the year so far.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
Skin is killing me. Be a Body (侘寂) too. all of them really.
I think the album really shows post-everything/Internet music doesn't have to just be some senseless exercise in referencing. like there's the Mr. Bungle/Girl Talk-style, 'yo look what just threw in' approach, but it can be done more selectively. like anything is available, but then you can pick out a finite set of elements with more purpose. this feels really cohesive and harmonious to me, like there's a logic to the aesthetic system she creates, and real emotional resonance (really gets to me actually). could probably work out some cultural meaning in this beyond just 'hey post-modernism waka waka'
― Chris S, Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
― if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:15 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The (excellent) Frankie Rose album is much more in Julianna Barwick territory than this is, IMO.
― Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:00 (twelve years ago) link
She comes across as tremendously likable in the p4k interview I think - love how she invokes all this hi falutin stuff almost inevitably to have a go at herself, and she seems to anticipate a lot of the criticisms that people might want to throw at her without seeming like that's what she set out to do.
― Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:41 (twelve years ago) link
Boucher, I mean.
Smoke weed, listen to Mariah Carey. Hilarious, and awesome.
― MikoMcha, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:53 (twelve years ago) link
she seems like an excellent person! but i'm not hearing anything compelling in her music.
― lex pretend, Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
Frankie Rose is a vocalist, songwriter and musician living in Brooklyn, NY. She was formerly an original member of acclaimed garage rock acts Crystal Stilts, Dum Dum Girls, and the Vivian Girls.[1]
erm i'll stick with julianna barwick thanks :o
― lex pretend, Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
her background really does not inform the new album at all
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
haha lex how do you ever manage to listen to gang gang dance without vomiting everywhere.
― Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
i carefully avoid finding out information about them that might turn me off.
no, if i google a new act and p4k AND stereogum are on the first page of results then i consider that a sign. dunno what the fuck "brooklyn vegan" is but with a name like that it can't be a good thing.
― lex pretend, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
rofl
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
man i wish i could not know what brooklyn vegan is
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
So obsessed with this album. Like I start to get really, really excited when I hear the piano-based second chorus in "Genesis" and that feeling doesn't really dissipate for the rest of the album.
― Tim F, Monday, 20 February 2012 10:25 (twelve years ago) link
genesis was played yesterday morning on 6 music.
having seen the album artwork i was very pleasantly surprised as it was not what i expected at all.
sounded ace.
― mark e, Monday, 20 February 2012 10:29 (twelve years ago) link
glad to see other people liking this so much. was kinda surprised to see some people so meh on it tbh (I mean yeah different strokes - but this is easily turning out to be album of the year so far for me)
― Chris S, Monday, 20 February 2012 11:09 (twelve years ago) link
To be fair "Genesis" is by far the most cute tune on the album, there are some darker bits that go halfway to matching the cover.
Though in some ways gothstep feels so prevalent as the default move for artsy electro chicks that there's something unexpectedly refreshing-feeling about the combination of eerieness and intermittent cutesiness on Visions.
― Tim F, Monday, 20 February 2012 12:20 (twelve years ago) link
it's weird that none of the reviews i've read have mentioned 'oblivion', when that seems like the obvious 'hit'
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.pitchfork.com/news/45488-the-tale-of-grimes-insane-2009-houseboat-adventure-the-best-thing-youll-read-all-day/
― analogue01, Monday, 20 February 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
what a tale!
― Number None, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
god, "Circumambient" just sent me into a spazz. awesome.
― tmi but (Z S), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
This is a strange record, paper-thin vocals, barely competent use of a drum machine, and yet it's strangely beguiling. A lot of it's in the synths that hold the whole thing together, like she's found a really lovely ambient techno album from the early 90s and worked over the top of it.
grimes has no gravitas.
But she's not aiming for it. One of the things I like about this record is that it isn't constantly doing the glowery face.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
the entire thing is paper thin. i thought i'd like it! i gave it several tries! NOTHING STICKS. i have no idea what you're all hearing.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
does this sound like the blow?
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
lol the first 30 seconds of "Infinite Love Without Fulfillment" made me go "this is what Zooey Deschanel's electro side project would sound like"
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
i should probably go ahead and start a gazelle twin thread because it pisses me off every time i see this get attention instead
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
"Genesis" sounds like it really wants to be J-Pop
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
actually I guess this entire album really wants to be J-Pop by way of Sweden? that's the vibe I am getting from the first 3 songs
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
This is a strange record, paper-thin vocals, barely competent use of a drum machine
i have to vigorously disagree about her drum machines. the parts aren't incredibly complicated but i wasn't joking about the spaz-session that circumambient provoked last night. i seriously lost my shit, it was weird. part of that might be because i'm a drummer with a bit of a improv background, so when i hear her drums i also hear all the parts that i'm playing on top of and around the beats - it sounds fine its own, but it's the imagined space that sends me into a fit.
anyway, possibly someone else will understand what i'm trying and failing to express.
― tmi but (Z S), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
"the drum machines are good because the way that i imagine playing over the top of them in my head is good" = i'm a fucking idiot
― tmi but (Z S), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
It's so strange that Lex and I are having such opposite reactions to this and Gazelle Twin, like some bizarro inverse world. Because I find GT so nothingy and paper thin and nothing to latch on to, while Grimes sends me to a happy place. But their music is nothing like one another, so I do not understand that "why would you listen to this when there is that?" comparison. At all.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
I like both Gazelle Twin and Grimes, but then again I have a place for both Fever Ray and, idunno, Stacey Q, in my collection
Mentioned it elsewhere, but listening to Grimes is like looking over the shoulder of a prodigy drawing with charcoal on paper for the first time. Formal art training & oil paints would likely just overwhelm the spontaneity, ease (thinness?) which are the present appeal.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, that's the thing, the spontaneity, the shooting off in unexpected angles, the excited jumble of it all - the fact that she *seems* so excited by everything still, like the music is just rolling out of her in a mad rush.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
― lex pretend, Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:56 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lex, is this going to be the album that you started off enjoying/appreciating aspects of but not falling in love with but which is close enough to things you love that by December you will be hating it and yelling at us all for voting for it? A la 'Young Galaxy' or whatever?
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
There's one every year.
I think if no one paid any attention to Grimes, he would probably come round on it, or at least ignore it. But the fact that she's now getting attention from P4k and the NME and all that means that we're all sheep for liking her, even those of us who have been listening since you and Owen were raving about her. Or something.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I have it in my heart to love plenty of artists all at the same time, and hand out attention as I see fit. But I don't have it in my heart to hand out attention to an artist like Gazelle Twin if I just. don't. like. them. This "why are you listening to this instead of that?" game with not comparable artists is just stupid.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
i think i'm comparing grimes and gazelle twin b/c i discovered them in the same place at the same time - your knifelike thread on the sandbox WCC. i didn't fully get grimes then but i assumed i'd come round but her music leaves no impression on me despite trying several times and yes SUDDENLY everyone is talking about her and that is annoying, if that hadn't happened i would've likely forgotten she existed.
did anyone vote for young galaxy? i was quite pleased that seemed to have been forgotten by EOY time. bad album.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
I think the rhythm programming on this is excellent actually. A little bit rough-sounding but not actually rough in the sense of lacking nuance or finesse - basically this is just because Grimes is not observing the post-dubstep/minimal orthodoxy of hyper-clipped drum hits. I think she likes the slightly-degraded texture of fuller electronic drums.
Aphex Twin's "Xtal" is the tune I would point to as the past-masterpiece which I think most obviously sets out the stylistic framework that Grimes mostly works in here, that slightly grainy quality deliberately deployed to suggest a more human form of transcendence.
But the other thing to note is how sensitively transformations and transitions in the rhythms are deployed. This can be more obvious, like the beat switch-ups in "Genesis", or more subtle, like the way in which the ever-present 4X4 kickdrum behind "Nightmusic" rises and falls in prominence so that that lilting humanness she ordinarily goes for becomes subsumed within pounding mechanised mindlessness.
The only actual moment on the album that strikes me as suggesting a lack of programming skill and finesse is the synth loop on "Oblivion" which has an awkwardly-joined-together bit which throws out the groove slightly. This might have been deliberate but I suspect is not - it's too close to being right to come across as intentionally wrong.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
and it's not just here obv but it's totally that thing AGAIN where i rave about an artist and everyone carefully looks in the other direction and ignores it, but as soon as p4k hand out a best fucking new fucking music or whatever it is EVERYONE I KNOW rushes off to hear it
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
...
you could solve that by pitching pieces to Pitchfork
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
wait which artist is that
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
t's totally that thing AGAIN where i rave about an artist and everyone carefully looks in the other direction and ignores it
maybe it's because you constantly phrase this as "UGH YOU LIKE THEM? WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ___?" it's pretty annoying and based on this weird concept that one band/artist can displace another band/artist.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
like people can listen to grimes AND gazelle twin
anyways based on one listen the grimes album is nice enough but i don't really get what's special about it. i liked it enough i'll listen to it more though.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
This is why she is such such such WCC-bait.
Alex, you saw me getting frustrated last year when no one was paying attention to Barbara Panther because no ILX bigwigs or P4k writers were repping for her, and she still placed in the EOY poll due to slow and steady campaigning.
And like I said, lots of us didn't hear about her from P4k, we heard about her from the Canadian contingent - Alex in Montreal and Owen P! I will listen to almost anything that those two agree on!
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
I listened to this before the pitchfork review but was pretty underwhelemed for the first listen and put it away for two weeks. Then came back to it and was suddenly in love (this was still before the pitchfork review though).
Lex I think that you attribute too much power to your enemies. A BNM on pitchfork is often reflective of where public opinion is going, rather than causal.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
― lex pretend, Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I mean, I will cop to not having heard Gazelle Twin yet and I will get on that, but generally I think most people HERE at least (if you're mad about the universe as a whole I can't do much about that) take your recommendations as seriously as P4K's or mine or whoevers (if not moreso).
It's been a couple of years since a BNM at p4k made me check out something I wasn't already inclined to check for, but a rave from you about Nikkiya or Brianna or Jade Alston or whoever will make me sit up and pay attention. Just FYI.
Also, I meant to playfully rib, not start another pile-on about lex's approach to exhorting people to listen to music. Maybe that's not entirely possible these days. But it was light-hearted in intent, so maybe we can lay off and just talk about Grimes. Cool? Cool.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
That said, I also voted for Young Galaxy, so maybe I'm persona non grata.
well the nikkiya and gazelle twin threads i started have both died swift deaths so obviously not
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
pretty much every artist i rep for who isn't an actual megastar already gets zero traction
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
The gazelle twin thread you started one hour ago.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
maybe you just have shitty taste in music?
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
lol i can honestly say go out of my way to not listen to anything lex rides for until i hear someone else praising it
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
I obviously do go out of my way to check out lex recommendations, but the "stop listening to this, listen to that instead" approach from anyone makes me want to resist stubbornly. This is a man thing I think. I try to remind myself of that when I occasionally indulge in the same approach.
However I do want to listen to gazelle twin anyway because I was looking at Glenn McDonald's blog the other night and he made it like his number 2 for 2011, and I am endlessly intrigued by Glenn's taste in music.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
I obviously do go out of my way to check out lex recommendations, but the "stop listening to this, listen to that instead" approach from anyone makes me want to resist stubbornly.
every other approach gets even less attention
go fuck yourself gr80
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
this thread has turned into a therapy sesh, sorta weird
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
lex you're an unsympathetic crybaby
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
man i just want to talk about grimes
but my two cents is who gives a shit what anyone else listens to
― tmi but (Z S), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
Well lex I've tried that approach before, and my sense is that it tends to make poeple dig in to their existing position out of defensiveness.
Perhaps mostly because people are only talking about something positively if they already like it, so if you claim that they've been blinded by false prophets you have to convince them that they're listening wrong.
And if there's one thing that is almost impossible to get people to admit to, it's that they're listening wrong.
Anyway I'm interested to know who (apart from gazelle twin, and again you started the thread one hour ago) you think people haven't picked up on. Nikkiya doesn't seem like a good example - the thread suggests that lots of people loved "When I Was High" and then found the mixtape a bit of a mixed bag or just less compelling throughout than the one song would imply. But I don't think you can claim that no-one followed your lead in listening to it. And concomitantly I don't think you can equate "people had a different reaction to this album" with "no one listens to me."
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
Versus the ILX poll threads where about every fourth post was "I found this tune through Lex. Thanks Lex!"
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
Both albums are good, the only reason they're being compared at all is because they both popped up in the Knifelike thread but they're really nothing like one another at all. I can see the Gazelle Twin/Fever Ray connection but Grimes doesn't remind me of anything else on that thread.
Hah also Tim I totally thought that one song reminded me of 'Tha' rather than 'Xtal' but there's definitely an Air France playing around with Selected Ambient Works 1 vibe to a lot of this.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
The "Knifelike" thread was really just "recommend stuff that WCC would like" TBH I don't think there was much of a unifying theme at all in the end.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway I'm interested to know who (apart from gazelle twin, and again you started the thread one hour ago) you think people haven't picked up on
no point if people are gonna avoid them if i say. i mean, it's stuff i've written about and posted about and tweeted about and linked to videos on facebook etc already anyway but i don't think there's any point in me starting threads really
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
there's definitely an Air France playing around with Selected Ambient Works 1 vibe to a lot of this.
This is a very neat description I think.
Grimes doesn't remind me of anything else on that thread.
I think my "in" with Grimes was when I realised that this is so different from any notion in my head of an emerging gothstep hegemony. There's nothing wrong with that sound (if it can be called a "sound" at all) but there's a sense of a rising tide sinking all ships in terms of my enthusiasm levels for checking out Austra / Emika / Zola Jesus / Gazelle Twin etc. Which is unfair both in terms of the quality of some of those artists and their internal differences; I guess that's the tyranny of critical framing at work.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
I think my "in" with Grimes was when I realised that this is so different from any notion in my head of an emerging gothstep hegemony.
otm, for me as well
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
this stuff is pretty cool
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
it's stuff i've written about and posted about and tweeted about and linked to videos on facebook etc already anyway but i don't think there's any point in me starting threads really
so there's this undefined "stuff" that you feel has not been taken up despite the fact that you've tweeted about it and linked to vides on facebook and made the odd post, and you have been so upset about this that you have first been motivated to lash out at people listening to the wrong music, and then subsequently sunk into a black pit of despondency over your inability to effectively communicate the greatness of music to others.
my god lex, if I applied this standard I would have slashed my wrists long ago. Heaps of my threads are automatic tumbleweed. But the fact that even some motivate other people to check out music I like seems more remarkable to me than the fact that others are ignored.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
emika is nothing like the others?! she's far closer to, idk, subeena or someone, except with songs rather than tracks. but given the minimal attention she and gazelle twin got, i have no idea what you're talking about re: tyranny of critical framing. if only they'd been framed critically at all.
austra never transcended their knifelikeness for me (also released their album in the summer). i guess i like zola jesus when i happen to hear her but i can never remember to have a real opinion or indeed remember she exists when i'm not.
i get that grimes is trying to be more playful and more pop but could she at least write some hooks if that's gonna be the case and not just replace the "goth" affect with "twee". also, enunciate. goths can get away with not doing that but few others.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
i enjoy (but don't love) the gazelle twin album. listening to "genesis" right now and, like most other grimes track i've heard, i feel like i could love this were it not for that voice
― Prince Rebus (donna rouge), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
does grimes, like adele, win a lot of people over b/c she seems like a really cool girl? the wkiw effect?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
adele seems like a really cool girl?
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
that is what a lot of people seem to think, i didn't say i agreed
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
iirc, lex hates adele because she is fat
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
Read my post again. The critical framing I was talking about was my own.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
i would kick it w/ adele
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
There's nothing wrong with that sound (if it can be called a "sound" at all) but there's a sense of a rising tide sinking all ships in terms of my enthusiasm levels for checking out Austra / Emika / Zola Jesus / Gazelle Twin etc. Which is unfair both in terms of the quality of some of those artists and their internal differences; I guess that's the tyranny of critical framing at work.
Dude, you are sinking dangerously into "Women In Music Special!" with this post here, and if you were talking about the exact male equivalents of the music, you would be quite quick to assign them to different electronic music sub genres.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
(sigh) read my post again!
http://i.imgur.com/EpHXx.gif
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
I liked this Grimes album! I give it five out of five fives.
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
TO BE VERY CLEAR:
My "in" with Grimes was realising how unfair it had been of me to equate her with all of these other artists who probably don't sound much alike except in terms of how I've framed them in my head!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
LOL this always happens: any time I admit to having had a wrongheaded opinion and then try to self-critique it people feel the need to point out to me how wrong I was.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
she at least ... enunciate
As far as I can tell, its just the "Oh baby I ..." refrains taken from 90s R&B that are in English. Most of vocals are pure glossolalia.
Can't find the mid-2011 Grimes interview where she pretty upfront about not caring about the lyrical content at all, as she just likes the sound that emerge.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
^sorry bout the singular/plural errors there. I type correctly, then suffer dyslexia editing backwards.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
where she pretty upfront about not caring about the lyrical content at all, as she just likes the sound that emerge.
2012 shockah
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
Grimes' vocal approach here reminds me of Heaven or Las Vegas, not ostentatious glossolalia but instead walking a borderline between lyrical sense and aural sensation.
I can't agree with the allegation of a lack of hooks, the more I listen the more hook-filled (even overloaded with hooks and melodic motifs) the songs seem.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
when have i ever said anything even approaching this? i feel like people must literally imagine my posts instead of reading them sometimes
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
i'm pretty sure jon is just trolling you, which is funny cuz when people do it to him he "leaves" ilx in a huff
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
I distinctly remember some thread where there was discussion of an article in which Adele sort of defended her lifestyle and talked about being okay with her body and lex posted something about how she shouldn't be satisfied with being lazy or something to that effect. I can't find it now and I don't really feel like putting in the effort required to dig it up.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
Not trolling, but probably overstating what lex said in that particular thread.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
I guess this entire album really wants to be J-Pop by way of Sweden?
is anyone else doing this? because that sounds like a genre I could obsess over for a while.
― fffv, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
You were ranked number one in the ILX hivemind section of the EOY Trax poll iirc. fwiw I tend to give everything I see you rep for at least one go-through. I'm not going to absorb it all properly, but that's just life. I think a lot of people here respect your opinion about certain types of music. It's all good.
i wnkiw her tbh. I read that she was kicked out of college for not attending classes for a year, which annoyed me for whatever reason when combined with her failed Mississippi River adventure. seems like the kind of person I would actively avoid.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 07:18 (twelve years ago) link
stay in school if you want to kiw gukbe folks
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
dudes, there are garageband presets all over this record (synths too). not that that's inherently a bad thing - it's a tool like anything else, she's making choices, etc. but out of all the reasons to listen to this record (the vocals, the writing, personality), sound design is at the bottom of the list.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
but out of all the reasons to listen to this record (the vocals, the writing, personality), sound design is at the bottom of the list.
i dunno about that. unique sound sources /= good sound design.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Having seen that Grimes video where she plays the black keys exclusively, I'm kinda curious whether most/all of her tunes are in C♭ major or A♭ minor (the black key diatonic scales).
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
using presets or garageband is fine, and you can make it your own, i just don't think the record sounds that interesting.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really care about where the sounds come from.
It's not like most house beats or dubstep beats or etc sound unique.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
Oh hey everyone what did I miss
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
ILX tearing itself apart over a 6/10 album
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
Unsurprising.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
sure (except for the ones that do). i'd just be surprised if the beats & sounds were the reason someone was attracted to this record.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
imo the reason to be attracted to this album is how she uses her voice as a background sound effect/adornment
otoh a reason to be repelled from this album is the interminable cooing babydoll voice she puts on seemingly through 500% of it
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
i love when she goes into that super-high deniece williams falsetto
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
the cooing babydoll shit didn't repel me as much as i thought it would but it's definitely a reason that i don't think she'll ever connect with me properly
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
her falsetto is astonishing, which really makes the cooing that much more irritating to me
it's like all of those Mariah singles with that fucking grating whisper voice where you're like "gtfo with that and start singing"
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
i know right
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
haha basically it's the inverse of the tUnE-yArDs album
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
smh
― real life is no dave cool (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://stereogum.com/962491/deconstructing-grimes/news/
julianne escobedo shepherd goes innnnn
and i'm so glad she did cuz she articulates a lot of the reasons i can't connect w/grimes better than i could
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that's a good piece, and like the author, i'm finding the album as a whole pretty unrewarding. i still enjoy the songs that initially attracted me, especially "oblivion" and "be a body", but most of the rest drift past in a gauzy blur. i don't get any clear sense of the performer's identity, and je shepherd otm in that roboticism is only interesting when it has something human to catch in its gears.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
I would disagree with the article's contention that Grimes tries to sound less human than her analogues and contemporaries.
A different kind of humanness perhaps.
Like, this sounds like it would be true (and as a skewering of broad brush stroke positive crit probably is true):
"Grimes seems bent on negating her humanness and operating from robot zone, herself. Yet others who’ve embarked on such pursuits — Bjork, for example — have recognized the paradoxical intertwining between nature’s ether and that of the web. Grimes’ music feels like it’s operating in a vacuum, and while internet-referencing internet music is zeitgeistical, eventually the vacuum’s gonna run out of air."
But it misrepresents or ignores the strong sense of humanness that runs through a lot of these tracks, especially in the second half (and especially especially "Skin", which is actually going for almost the exact same altered-humanness vibe as Vespertine, albeit with slightly different sonic reference points). To my ears Boucher's use of a variety of different voices is intended precisely to capture the multivalency (and the internal conflictedness, and the being-with-yourself) of human experience.
As is often the case with such articles this feels like a good, targeted attack on Grimes as she is described in tumblrs and less so w/r/t what Grimes' music actually does.
In this regard the parallels (or inverted-parallels... is there a word for that?) with Lana Del Ray are interesting.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but a "strong sense of humanness" isn't something that exists outside our varying perceptions of it. what you hear as "human experience", i hear as freeze-dried cotton candy: lovely, but frustratingly insubstantial.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
Too often when I read these kind of "take-down" pieces I find them utterly flimsy and gauzy, and directed not at the artists themselves, but this take-down of the endless reflecting chamber of blog/tumblr posts, and given that I hardly engage with that at all, it is less than meaningless to me. I don't listen to blogs. I want to tell them to get off the internet and engage with something that isn't endless critculure.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
I don't hear a robot-ness to her voice at all. a transbody mysticism that isn't sensual enough for some maybe... but I think there's still a warmth there, an assuring Platonic kindness.
I think the article probably has a bias for a brand of feminism that favors sexuality-as-power, and maybe Grimes is just more of a mystic, isn't trying to progress through a combative politics but through some other means
― Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:02 (twelve years ago) link
JES's criticisms along the lines of thin/charmless/unemotional/infantilised are the ones that ring true for me - yeah this is personal preference to an extent, i much prefer (female? alt?) artists to reach out and grab me and make me feel like i have no choice but to listen; or if they're introverted, i tend to really enjoy the ones that are very still and meditative; and grimes fits neither of those descriptions. but i can't find anything else in there at all - THIN is exactly it, and it doesn't register emotionally at all.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
sure but if that's the case then the real argumentative thrust of the article kind of falls over beyond the more limited (and hence perfectly legitimate, though admittedly difficult to build a hit-baiting "takedown" around) claims you and lex are making w/r/t not personally being into the sound of her voice and not being able to forge an emotional connection with it.
That's different to saying "Grimes' problem is that she fetishises the robot and forgets to be human in the process."
― Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
i like JES a ton, but that article was full of strawmen. tim f otm.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
I want to tell them to get off the internet and engage with something that isn't endless critculure.
ironically this is the same thing JES is telling grimes to do
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
that jes thing is really well written but i had to stop after she tried to apply grimes' opinion about mariah carey to grimes' own artistic pursuits
feels like a disingenuous, forced connection
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
i say that as someone who initially held lex's view of the record and then realized last week that it is the gothy freestyle record i have always deserved
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
There are so many reasons one could dislike Grimes. I was excited to see them articulated, but this piece was just bizarrely off base. This part in particular:
Grimes seems bent on negating her humanness and operating from robot zone, herself.
Really? She sounds like a robot? She negates her humanness? You might not like her personality, but how can you accuse her of not having one? If anything, I thought people found her personality overbearing.
Yet others who’ve embarked on such pursuits — Bjork, for example — have recognized the paradoxical intertwining between nature’s ether and that of the web. Grimes’ music feels like it’s operating in a vacuum, and while internet-referencing internet music is zeitgeistical, eventually the vacuum’s gonna run out of air.
Come again?
Of course, Grimes’ cyborg unicorn stance is an updated ideal on the continuum of the asexuality that a certain strain of indie rock values, up to and including twee.
In what world does this album lack sexuality? Grimes dwells constantly on physical contact ("Skin," "Be A Body"). And she sings in orgasmic squeals.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah i also stopped reading because of the word "zeitgeistical"
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Grimes has a host of recent-vintage contemporaries who approach their music with a similar concept, like Lykke Li and Fever Ray and Bat For Lashes and even fellow blog star Charli XCX, all of whom do similarly conceptualized music but tap into their womanhood and sexuality as a source of power, some might say THE DARK ARTS OF WOMANNESS.
This is just terrible writing and impossible to take seriously.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
My problem with it is that the writer fails to recognize the paradoxical intertwining between nature’s ether and that of the web, unlike others who've embarked on such pursuits.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
And she sings in orgasmic squeals.
lot of squealing on this album, not a moment of it sounds "orgasmic", thankfully
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
and her dwelling on the physical never actually reads as physical. upthread enya comparisons otm. the language might suggest physicality, but the music and performance deny this. closest thing to a body here is the hiccup in the "oblivion" loop.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
I think there may be some yearning for the physical, but as far as its presence it's kind of floating as a figment within, or sharing the same space with a more spectral reality. like how people live lives with one foot in the physical and one foot in this non-place/space/everywhere which all kind of shares the same space (and in the case of the online, your personality/humanness kind of floats there as an ethereal presence - I think her voice works in the music like this - liquified humanity floating in a digital everyspace)
― Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, that could have been written more clearly (a comma between 'everywhere' and 'which' would help)... just waking up here.
basically just meaning to say there that her human presence registers the way personality registers online, there's still a human presence hovering there but some of the things that come with physical interaction/presence are gone or diminished. although I personally still feel her music reflects the balance, or coexistence, of online and offline life, culture and humanity seeping into online space
― Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
strongly resistant of the temptation to read this album as being "about" online identity, even if that's the artist's explicit intent. just don't see this theme convincingly or compellingly developed in the music/lyrics themselves, and though it's an interesting lens to try on, it could apply equally well to almost any electronic/low affect/alienated/disembodied music.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
it's not that I see it as being directly about online identity, as much as it's just coming from that reality. I get this picture of a faint, slightly bewildered humanity still trying to connect and find ways to live out its humanness in a rotating topology of some Information Sublime
― Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
Chris S's posts are great; and I think they speak to how substantial Boucher's songwriting is, even if she downplays its importance
― Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
Totally agree with contenderizer, too. These songs aren't about online identity. That's just lazy writers' way of framing them based on something cool she said in an interview once
― Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, "post-internet" is a cool way of contextualizing these songs, but if that's your only takeaway from them, you need to do less reading and more listening
― Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
i don't really feel like grimes succeeds in conveying what her songs are "about" at all - not that she should have to but it's why they feel somewhat thin and empty to me. don't get a sense of physicality or otherwise, it doesn't evoke much of anything, certainly nothing about identity let alone post-internet identity.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
i certainly don't need it be about anything, beyond an interesting voice & some good ideas
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
i agree that the whole "post-tumblr" thing is ridiculous, but it's just press copy, doesn't affect how i hear the music
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
well demanding a song be "about" "something" "specific" is ridiculous yeah, but music should certainly evoke something, put something in mind, even if it's just an image or colour or whatever, and that's what i don't get from grimes music - it's flat, it's literally just sound.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
tbh I totally experience all those things in the music - post-internet identity (in her presence and in the flow of influences, and stuff about 'being a body' etc in the face of all this). the slight thinness, 'emptiness' to her voice (although it has a lot of substance/emotional resonance for me, but there is certainly a faintness/ethereal quality) is a part of this too - to my experience of it at least
― Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
My sense of this album is that its intimacy feels internalised, as if Boucher is singing to herself (I'm using "to" in a strong sense here - like she's addressing herself) and the listener is posited as the part of her being sung to.
My reaction may be slightly overdetermined by how much she reminds me of Happy Rhodes in electronic mode - both vocally (with the high portion of Happy's register anyway) and musically, but also thematically - there's a kind of dasein vibe at work, which is maybe why so many of the songs also seem to be about the creative process itself, music about its own making (and perhaps as a general rule if you're not really enamoured of a musician's creative process then any oblique odes to it will seem to be about "nothing).
― Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
...there's a kind of dasein vibe at work, which is maybe why so many of the songs also seem to be about the creative process itself, music about its own making
again, those are intriguing concepts, but i don't think they're strongly present in grimes' music/lyrics - at least no more so than in lots of other music. i mean, "dasein vibe" suggests so much, but specifically attaches to so little. grimes' songs tend to be less about doing than being, but that's as far as i can follow that train of thought wr2 what i actually hear here.
intimacy is a strange and loaded word in any context. i've realized recently that the quality i like best in several of the 2011 albums i was initially exposed to in the year-end poll thread is a quality of intense intimacy (referring primarily to colin stetson's new history warfare 2, julia holter's tragedy, king creosote & john hopkins' diamond mine and nicholas jaar's space is only noise). there's something a bit sickly and even oppressive about that kind of intimacy, an unfiltered, unmediated engagement that verges on oversharing. when you're close enough to hear the tongue moving in someone's mouth, see the contractions and dilations of their pupils, you might be too close for comfort. i don't get that sense at all from grimes, and therefore it's hard for me to think of her music as particularly "intimate". which perhaps does raise questions about what intimacy might be in a dephysicalized, delocated context, but i don't think this album really addresses them.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
that's interesting, Tim - it brings to mind the stuff she's said about wanting the be both the producer and the Star... the producer being a traditionally male role and the Star kind of being the inheritance of the classical Western role of the woman as object-to-be-seen-under-the-Male-Gaze. like, in John Berger's Ways of Seeing, in his chapter on the Male Gaze and the history of the representation of women in art, he describes how within women in this context, there can be an internal male judge viewing themselves as they are seen from without, and from this every action is performed with understanding that men are always seeing and rating.
and Boucher demonstrates that here, creating and performing herself, to herself (a viewership/listenership that also symbolizes the outside listener/viewer), but in taking more charge of the producer role and exposing the creative process she's kind of collapsing that binary
and back to the Internet again, it also reminds me of the way the Net makes people realize they're always performing in a sense, so they learn to take control of both the process of self-creation and self-display (through Facebook profiles, twitter, everwhere). her self-conscious performing herself into being (but earnestly so, it doesn't feel like the gestures made are artificial) is like this gender-neutral fusion of the Gainsbourg and Birkin/Phil and Ronnie Spector/Hazlewood and Sinatra... so in other words it's a Lana Del Rey visibly and honestly in charge of her own production/realization
― Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
so in other words it's a Lana Del Rey visibly and honestly in charge of her own production/realization
or lady gaga or any other woman who produces the music that she is seen to perform
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
sure
― Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
it's a thing I'm seeing a lot lately
the female producer-and-performer is not that rare
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
I find the Holter and Jaar albums much less intimate than this, though I can sort of see what it is and them that you find intimate. With Jaar in particular the intimacy strikes me as a byproduct of the music being so insubstantial that it cannot form an existence separate to the listener (and I love most of Jaar's non-album work).
I think all this goes towards how a lot of the qualities we're arguing over whether Grimes does or does not have are qualities which do not exist in themselves but only by virtue of the relationship struck between the music and the listener - humanness, intimacy, corporeality/physicality etc.
It's a trite truism obv but I think that we'll basically keep on digging in our trench positions on this point all governed by whether we "click" with the album in the first place.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
lex - yeah, definetely not, even the whole process of beautication is self-production for performance, it's as old as gender constructions, but I'd say there's maybe more of an emphasis on an exploration of the production side, and its technique, with Grimes and artists like her. but maybe not (will need to make a list I think)
― Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
a lot of the qualities we're arguing over whether Grimes does or does not have are qualities which do not exist in themselves but only by virtue of the relationship struck between the music and the listener - humanness, intimacy, corporeality/physicality etc.
that's a good point, and it perhaps raises questions about how music can imply things about the nature of that relationship. maybe one of the things that's interesting about grimes' "singing to myself" approach is that the result doesn't really define the space in question, leaving listeners to decide for themselves where they stand in relation to the music and the place the artist establishes for herself within it. thus you can construct it as intimate or distanced, depending on your proclivities. maybe this fluidity also enhances the sense that the music reflects identity on the internet.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
completely disagree about nicolas jaar's music being insubstantial, even on the slighter-in-comparison album - each track has a deceptively solid foundation, a bassline or a groove or a hook that works as the starting point for him to weave his magic.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
The female producer-and-performer is not rare, but at the same time to simplify massively it exists along a continuum where one side of the equation can be emphasised more than the other.
Lady Gaga, for example, seems more invested in performance than production, which is not to say that she does not attend to the latter, but that she produces for the purpose of performance.
If this seems meaningless, compare with, say, a house producer who adds soft diva-esque vocals to her own tracks - while it might be important to her that she does her own vocals, the music itself does not frame the vocals in that matter (and but for our own intermittent
― Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
That cut off the second half of my post. Let's try again:
If this seems meaningless, compare with, say, a house producer who adds soft diva-esque vocals to her own tracks - while it might be important to her that she does her own vocals, the music itself does not frame the vocals in that manner (and but for our own intermittent creator-fetishism, as listeners it probably wouldn't matter to us who did the vocals). You could say that an artist doing this kind of thing is performing for the purpose of production.
Grimes exists pretty squarely in the center of the continuum, and I think an effect of that position is that the resulting performance of the equation sounds both more self-aware and dialogic (again, this is not unique, but it's only a small subset of female producer-performer work). The fact that she uses multiple voices rather than a single narrative-centric voice only underscores this.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
good post, spot on I think
― Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that's a good way of describing a certain approach. suppose kd andersson's work in the knife and especially fever ray walks the same line, see also planningtorock et al.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
as far as gaga goes, i've always seen her primarily as a producer, and one of the things she produces (lol pun) is a knowingly prefab pop personality called "lady gaga", so in my view, she's closer to the center than it might seem
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
so, i'll take it there's no point in trying to wade into this thread now huh
― the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, what do you think about internet robots who are also producers?
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
daft punk is ok i guess
― the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
you mean like horse_ebooks?
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
Yes I agree with this which is one reason I felt it necessary to caveat my explanation as a pretty massive simplification - insofar as performance is always a production (of one sort or another) it's actually theoretically dodgy to try to insist on a division between performance and production.
What I'm really getting at is the idea of character in music - and again not in the judgmental sense of "this music has no character" but more the question of whether the music presents a character or characters.
Lana Del Ray and Lady Gaga are both very clear, striking examples of that.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
New video! I really like this, although I'm not sure why, since it's essentially just four minutes of Grimes looking cute and goofy singing with headphones in various locations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtH68PJIQLE
― boxedjoy, Friday, 2 March 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
The "Vanessa" video cost $60, mostly for booze. I believe this one cost at least twice that.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
I'm pretty sure that the stadium in that video is the one I run a couple times a week at the gym.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 2 March 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
I like the video, looks like she's having fun.
― Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
this is quite good, not sure what i expected but didn't expect this
― good luck Peeta Mellark (Bee OK), Saturday, 3 March 2012 06:55 (twelve years ago) link
Wish there was more love for "Nightmusik", sounds like an update of CranesSo happy to see so much love for this girl
― an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
Has anyone seen her live? I might try to catch her set at SXSW. Worth going?
― Benjamin-, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
I seen her live, it was pretty awesome! She certainly knows what she's doing. Good for her with this new video coming out and all. Hope she has a good year!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 5 March 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
Me too. I'm excited for her. I saw her at SXSW a couple times last year, she was on tour with Rollie. She cradles the mic between ear and shoulder like a telephone.
― an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:50 (twelve years ago) link
sounds like an update of Cranes
This is at least 70% of my love for Grimes
― cashmere tears-soaker (Abbbottt), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I think that was my first comment on her over in the Sandbox: Cranes with a laptop, which is p much like total and completely WCC-bait.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 5 March 2012 09:20 (twelve years ago) link
huh, the invocation of Cranes makes me want to give this another try; my initial reaction was "nice enough, but not nice enough to seek out"
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Monday, 5 March 2012 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
i think i much prefer halfaxa to visions, and i really like visions. but stuff like "dream fortress" is just otherworldly
― this is my receipt for your receipt (Z S), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422518_10150717333636763_671491762_11222055_6886399_n.jpg
― an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
I like this!
― Luomas (admrl), Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
GRIMES IN 2012
GRIMES VS GRIME
Reading things like this...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/mar/08/grimes-visions-review
...make me understand why Lex doesn't like Grimes.
But then again reading things like Circumambient, a close runner-up to Oblivion in the standout stakes, sounds like an R&B song with all the money sucked out of it. makes me want to punch indie music criticism in the face.
― ...I KERNOW BECAUSE YOU DO (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 9 March 2012 11:38 (twelve years ago) link
I finally managed to d/l this off the 4AD website.
I like it. I was already predisposed to like it, so I'm relieved that I do like it.
It's just odd, that the amount of ink that seems to have been spilled over this record, none of it seems to bear the slightest connection to the music that I am hearing.
Coming around to the idea that reading about music may actually be the worst possible way of discovering music I might like.
― Masonic Boom, Friday, 16 March 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
I've always looked at music criticism, reviews, message boards, etc. as a way of finding and rediscovering music without giving any weight at all to the opinions behind the writing. I kinda sift through the opinions for keywords or phrases that are suited to my taste or warn me that I probably won't be into the music being discussed. The idea that someone can interpret a song, or any art for that matter, and bludgeon everyone else with that interpretation seems pretty dickish.
That said, I hope Grimes isn't dissected into oblivion by fans and critics alike. She's so damn likable, but even better than that she has interesting songs and you can actually dance to some of them. The ideas behind them are what stick out for me.
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
into "oblivion"
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
It was unavoidable. I love that word.
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
Not tired at 4:30 AM and having a bedroom dance party to Visions. This is what it was made for.
If The xx were 2AM music for when I'm sad, and Claire's first two albums are music for when I want to zone out and drift (in a good way), this one is designed for dancing alone in the dark.
Also, the two Canadian-vinyl-only bonus tracks are pretty darn awesome.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:31 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxoSVzNn8Gs
Grimes - Life After Death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPK3MyUlx9o
Grimes - Ambrosia
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:32 (twelve years ago) link
They're the two extra tracks on a 12" vinyl version that cuts a bunch of the rest of the album - 8 tracks total, but two are 'new'.
When you figure out where to slot them into the full length version of the album (I've put Ambrosia before Symphonia IX and Life After Death right before Nightmusic) and tack on the Amazon bonus 'Angel' at the end (and exclude 'Christmas Song', the track what has her brother rapping on it), Visions is a formidable album.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:34 (twelve years ago) link
I just got this and it's still growing on me, so I'm not sure where it will end up on my scale of 1-10. This does seem a bit more diverse in its influences than typical electropop, with nods to house and R&B among other things. The combination of fairly fast, steady tempos, sing-songy melodies, glitches (or whatever they're called now), and the slightly affectless, introverted vocals remind me a bit of Lali Puna.
― o. nate, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
"Vowels = Space and Time" is so perfect. Especially when the bassline comes in and she's singing little girl-like and then switches to breathy ethereality on the line "'cos boy you could [something something something]... yeah yeah yeah!"
― Tim F, Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
people have really complex thoughts about her. i have only heard one song which i thought was slight but nice. i liked her more upon noticing the triforce tattoo on her arm.
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
I do like how she uses her voice on this album - I just think she could have a bit more presence.
― o. nate, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
Just saw her live for the first time in a year - holy shit - what a difference. Stage presence to spare, gigantic dance party for an hour and openers Born Gold were damn good too. Miles away from the soft-spoken and slightly-flustered set I saw opening for How to Dress Well. Glad to see the material is finally translating to a live setting really well.
Only complaints: (1) nothing off the first two albums which have basically been declared non-existent, Shakira style, (2) only the uptempo stuff got played. Not sure how 'skin' would have translated live, but wish she'd have tried.
still, amazing. off to afterparty now.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 1 April 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link
this album is dope
― J0rdan S., Monday, 2 April 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
actually I guess this entire album really wants to be J-Pop by way of Sweden?
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:01 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark
my thoughts exactly -- pretty freaking novel and great IMO
― J0rdan S., Monday, 2 April 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
It feels very right to me that you like this J0rdan!
― Tim F, Monday, 2 April 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i was sleeping, no excuse
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
i like certain tracks on this a lot, and like the overall aesthetic, some songs are def not standing with the best ones to me? it feels inconsistent
― D-40, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 04:44 (eleven years ago) link
Srs question how much have you listened to it deej? My experience was first few times I liked a couple of tunes a lot and was not so hot on the others, and then each time I listened the tracks that had blurred past me the first time got more and more distinct, and now my favourite tracks are probably "Vowels = Space & Time" and "Nightmusic" which I would never have said early on.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link
yah i havent listened to it as much will try to spend some more time i suppose
― D-40, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 05:22 (eleven years ago) link
the vocals on "vowels = space and time" are so good
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
sounds very r&b to me
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
gtfo no
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, like r&b only way better
xpost
/troll
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
it's really kinda beautiful & novel imo... it's almost like an entire song of backing vocals
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
novel if you haven't heard many weak-voiced women cooing aimlessly over timid electronic twiddling
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
idk her voice sounds pretty great on that song
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
one of the things I really like about her is that many of the vocal arrangements/lines in one song are little hooks/songs by themselves.
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:49 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
*bookmarks post*
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
if only boucher was a strong-willed women singing the kind of authentic r&b music that critics ignore in this day and age!
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
if only she could write any sort of hook or make any sort of interesting sound
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
Her voice is many things. "Weak" is not one of them. I recognise that the theatricalness of her voice may be off-putting to some, but to dismiss that as "weak" is evidence of your bias, not a lack of strength or skill or personality in her technique and performance.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
this is gonna sound weird, but i almost think visions is like love king, where like every element is its own little hook, one of the reasons i like it a lot
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
and yes i did just compare boucher to terius
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
every element is its own little hook
this is how i hear the record too, which makes lex's comments increasingly obscure to me
anyway looking forward to him dropping into this thread periodically to tell us about how he doesn't like grimes
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
i gave this album way more chances than i usually give albums that i don't enjoy initially, and after all of them i could not recall a single hook, if they existed at all
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
some of my favorite moments on this are the brief seconds when she switches to a recognizably "good" singing voice, amidst all the swirling multitracked chipmunkisms
it's a choice, you know, lex.
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
it's just completely unmemorable to me, and i didn't find it "interesting" enough to even admire from a distance (like with julia holter)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
Lex, you're allowed not to like a record. But when you continually drop into a thread to tell how much you hate it and we're all stupid for liking it, that is unbelievably tedious. It's not for you. Move on.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:57 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
*yanks rope on bus*
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
anyway it's not like lex revived this thread, i did -- it's cool
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
It's just... It doesn't make me doubt my judgement over Grimes. But it does make me rethink my areas of agreement with Lex's taste, which generally do overlap and have a lot of common ground. Bah stupid meta, will shut up now.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
i think it's obvious that she has a good, powerful singing voice and this is one of the first recent indie albums i've heard where manipulating the vocals or choosing not to sing 'traditionally' really works for it -- she's not attempting to mask or hide any sort of vocal deficiency, but a lot of times it's like you're trying to reach out and grab these great hooks or melodies that aren't pushed to the forefront... but for like the entire album. again tho i think it works because she can sing.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
i think there's something narcotic about the album but not in the super obvious way that, idk, jj or the weeknd go for 'narcotic'
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
J0rdan otm. She isn't just setting a superficial mood; the songs penetrate much deeper than that
― Evan R, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not saying she *can't* sing, i'm saying the way she chooses to sing doesn't work. there's nothing to latch on to.
i'm pretty much coming in here b/c most people in here are the people i usually talk to all the time and mostly agree with so it's the extra WTF are you hearing in this boring music factor.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
j0rdan otm itt
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
That's it, Jordan. she's a hugely skilled vocalist and everything she is doing to her voice, the treatments, the odd tonality, seems completely thought out and deliberate. You can dislike what she's doing, but implying she's doing it out of lack of skill rather than choice is just wilfully negative.
So much of that chipmunk voice and baby-cooing seems like a deliberate parody or reducto ad absurdum of the quality of ~Femininity~ and fragility. And guess what - the other woman that really plays with that contrast between pretty-voice delicacy / fragility and chopped up aggressive music is St Vincent, who Lex also hates.
So it's becoming more apparent to me what it that Lex dislikes in both of them. Though obviously I disagree.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
Explain, please. You're probably just shaking your head at that comment haha
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:16 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Except this happens, without fail, 3 or 4 times yearly. People who mostly share your taste will occasionally like things you don't, and berating us for being wrong just makes us all grumpy. We're not the people who are ignoring the things you're loving - we're going nuts about Dawn and Kalenna and everyone else - and we're not going out of our way to try to sell you on things that we know you don't like after you give them an honest shot. I dunno. It just feels like an unproductive conversation, because you're not likely to be convinced, because what a lot of us are valuing here are part of an aesthetic framework that you actively don't like.
Normally, I'm all about back and forth to try to figure out what makes something work for me and not for somebody else, especially when so much of our taste tends to overlap, but we've done this enough times that I already know how the conversation plays out, so why not save yourself the stress and rage and just ignore the thread and we can get excited about Teedra or Jade Alston or Nicki somewhere else without hitting all of our heads against the wall?
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
i'm trying to think of fragile-voiced female singers i love...cassie obv. ashanti too. latter-day mariah when she goes cooey and breathy? stina nordenstam obv! anja garbarek to a limited extent. nordenstam and garbarek can write hooks though.
don't think i ever got round to disliking st vincent's voice specifically due to hating the production so much, but it didn't grab me for sure.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
'Visions' has been a grower for me, as much as I loved it from day one. I was worried that the glossier polish and more 'song'-like songs would eliminate some of her ramshackle charm but there are so many more hooks buried in this - I'm not sure if I agree with rennavate re: 'Love King' but I do think his description is on point wrt the album being a constant stream of mini-hooks that sometimes integrate into songs and sometimes don't.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
I'm curious what j0rdan and Evan and folk would think of her live show. The vocals are still manipulated and fragile to some extent, but there's more belting and more power in the beats. It's much more of a dance-oriented show than the album would suggest.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
also, her dj set at the afterparty was all remixes of Mariah's 'Obsessed' and turn of the millenium r'n'b
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
"but I do think his description is on point wrt the album being a constant stream of mini-hooks that sometimes integrate into songs and sometimes don't."
ya that's what i mean. i don't mean that it's actually like/as good as love king.
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
I know this drives you nuts, Lex, but I think a lot of us here appreciate Grimes more than so many similarly styled electro-pop acts precisely because we do hear a little more R&B in her. And the way she appropriates the genre doesn't seem subtle or exploitative to me; she's pretty clever about it. I think your overarching bias against all non-traditional displays of R&B prevents you from taking that same enjoyment away from it, though, so it's kind of a lost cause. Which is a shame, because this otherwise seems like something you could love, too.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
It's much more of a dance-oriented show than the album would suggest.
More power live is never a bad thing in my book, even if the subtleties I love on the record get lost. I'm actually going to Pitchfork this year pretty much for the sole purpose of seeing her live; hope it's good.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
I think your overarching bias against all non-traditional displays of R&B
that doesn't exist (see enjoyment of creep, kingdom etc passim)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
i wouldn't have associated grimes with r&b at all if you lot hadn't talked about it.
also, for the thousandth time, good taste when djing is not correlated to being a worthwhile musician at all. fucking bloc party can dj a banging set of 90s dance but they should still kill themselves before recording another note of their own material
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
It's funny because although I do hear traces of especially Mariah Carey in her vocal treatment, the thing she reminds me most strongly of is that "etherial girl" thing so beloved of 4AD in the late 80s / early 90s.
That kind of babyish ethereal girl singing voice, I later loved on people like Tanya Donelly of Belly/Throwing Muses and hated on her out of Blake Babies (Juliana Whatsit?) and then you had people like Miki Berenyi and Alison Cranes who took that style and completely subverted it, like it was no longer cutesy anime girl but became this edge of slightly psychotic and demented behind all the pretty.
Take this voice which could be a doll, but turn it into a mad child in the attic with a knife.
Grimes seems like she is both playing the Ethereal Girl and at the same time, ripping the archetype to pieces in a really (to my ears) interesting way. But if you read it as straight girly-girl I would find it infuriating.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
the thing she reminds me most strongly of is that "etherial girl" thing so beloved of 4AD in the late 80s / early 90s.
only a few tracks in myself but whatever it's worth this seems blatantly, painfully obvious
i'm sure a big r&b ballad is only a song away tho
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
also no offence but never speak of mariah ever again
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
hmm maybe it is slightly more 80s pop styling than just simply 4ad indie but i can't quite recall the singer i'm thinking of specifically
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
there are some moments esp on "vowels" that are much closer to being 'wispy' the way 90s Mariah was than whatever 'wispy' singing lex was referring to
also another thing about this album is that if you told me it was produced by john talabot I would believe you
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
You gonna laugh but there are moments that her productions and harmonies remind me so much of 80s Prince, but that might just be there's a song (sorry don't know titles, I listen to this when I'm jogging) which has almost exactly the same drum sounds and beat as When Doves Cry. Could be my shitty earbuds though.
But mostly it's 4AD 4-track weirdoes with a Reason DAW. It has as much His Name Is Alive and Danielle Dax in it as Mariah Carey.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
But, you know, LOL signifiers. I thought one of the songs on Halfaxa sounded like Republica, what so I know?
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
Better sound palette than Talabot. More Germanic, too. This reminds me of Cluster with Orbital-1994-era Alison Goldfrapp singing over it.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
But wtf do I know. I really like it, though.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
Every person who listens to this record seems to bring an intensely hears set of signifiers and reference points to it - and they're all completely different.
Which probably means she is actually quite unique? I honestly can't think of much that sounds exactly like this so I'm always reaching, and it's possible she's never heard any of the things I project onto her voice.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
Intensely heard. I Fucken hate this iPhone.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
My knowledge of rnb is practically zero, so, y'know. We all have different analogues.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
the only thing i know about grimes other than seeing the name on the internet on occasion was being a conversation behind me at the liquor store the other day:
guy a: "hey, you have to check out this album i think you might like it. they're called grimes..."guy b: "already have it"(divergence off into conversation about turntable.fm)guy c: "you guys play some really boring stuff in that room"guys a + b: "..."me: (stifling guffaw as i pay cashier)
― fauxmarc, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
FFS it doesn't even SOUND LIKE Talabot and certainly doesn't use better sounds
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
To your ears, dude.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Me, I can't for the life of me hear what anyone likes in Talabot. I find it so banal and lifeless.
That's why there's chocolate and vanilla.
The difference is, I gave up w Talabot and I don't spend hours haranguing ppl on his thread saying they should be listening to, like, Grimes instead.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:36 (22 minutes ago) Bookmark
srsly, 4 the luv of god
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I love Talabot but Visions, doesn't remind me at all of him, so I'm with lex on that, at least.
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
i haven't listened to this album but the video of her doing genesis alone in a room w a table of pedals has been obsessing me for the last week or so.
― judith, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
the "oblivion" video is even better!
― heiswagger (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
im sorry about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3iAoxHb8B8
i think the bit that really started to sink in for me was the part where she's singing what sounds like "my heart" over and over. there's a moment where she goes "my-Y heaart" (its like 1:59 in the video if you're interested) and it has this feeling of being chopped up in pro-tools but you see her do it there in front of you, just this slight vocal affectation. i mean its not the niftiest of tricks, and its hard to bring it up without making it seem like you want it to be read like so many iterations of the body imitating the machine. there's this strategy of incorporation that i think is working in this album. these layers of signification being compressed. her voice overlaid with the ghost of its machine alteration. this particular synthesis. (its hard for me to think of without remembering that she is roughly the same age as me, grew up singing along to productions by guys who first encountered this as a nifty studio gimmick.)
i'm not being clear. i think though, that this approach definitely bleeds into what she's doing elsewhere. the vocals can sound intimate and alien and naked and elusive. the lyrics that turn into vapor. smoke weed and listen to mariah. a whole set of associations that can be tapped into in all these oblique ways. lateral steps along a chain of signification. its connected with the collapse of the chillwave project i guess. she is a post-anco popstar for sure. all those haunted houses of pop songs. and yeah vowels = space and time. all this negative space, something missing at the centre.
― judith, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
how hard it is to feel things, presumably
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
attach judith's comment to tim's comment about it being "music commenting on its own making" but even to the point where i think the making is semi-erased (thus the "something missing at the centre") and it's all otm to me
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
also the persistent criticism i encounter of this record is that is sounds "unfinished" or "like demos," which, okay, it definitely doesn't sound like that to me, but considering that, what would make this sound more "complete" necessarily? someone upthread said they imagine drum parts in this record where there are none. i think that is a totally legitimate way to love music, to fill in spaces yourself. it's an interaction, not a closed system. like hearing music faintly, from another room, how other parts are summoned that are not necessarily part of the music but are not totally your own making either
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
Brilliant album but let's not try to explain it via R&B perhaps. Still think mid-80s Happy Rhodes is the best comparison point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9mg0wmBUk
The part of Lex's crusade that I disagree with most (while recognising this is a subjective measure) is the "no hooks" measure - this album is like hooks on hooks.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
Making this more "complete" would ruin it for me.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
i don't recognise the "unfinished" way of listening to music at all - i can't say i've ever experienced music like that.
the "no hooks" argument is my strongest, everything else is trying to justify it retrospectively but what it comes down to is that it goes in one ear and out the other, and i have given it waaaaay more chances than things like that normally get. it doesn't stick at all.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
There's nothing I can say to that but, it sticks to my head like crazy. Even though they are insane pitched riffs that I couldn't possibly sing along with.
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
xpost I believe you, it just seems bizarre to me because I feel my number one reason for liking this album is its kaleidoscope of hooks. The songs don't feel unfinished to me at all, but really generous, like she's offering more ideas than she needs to in each song. The way the songs are filled with this winning little shifts and switch-ups vocally/sonically/melodically. It also means it withstands repeat playing a lot more.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
winning little shifts and switch-ups
otm
― Evan R, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw the R&B connection doesnt really resonate for me, like, i believe its there, but it doesnt really operate like R&B for me & i dont think thats key to understanding or enjoying it
― D-40, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
― r|t|c, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:38 PM (Yesterday)
lol thank you for checking out the course reader
― judith, Thursday, 5 April 2012 08:56 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/dsTSB.gif
― r|t|c, Thursday, 5 April 2012 09:10 (eleven years ago) link
lex everyone knows you got baited into hating this by critics you spend your entire life claiming to avoid
― flopson, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
it goes in one ear and out the other... it doesn't stick at all.
I have had the "see you in a dark night" line from 'Oblivion' stuck in my head - in a good way - for about two months straight
― She Got the Shakes, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i get various hooks that don't seem to last more than 2 seconds stuck in my head all the time.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 6 April 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
right now my favourite track from her is not on this album, it's "vanessa".
the part where she goes : "My heart, ohand I don't care what you saybut it's the way it goes and it's a happening everyday"
has been completely stuck in my head for days !(+ she's very cute in the video)
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 6 April 2012 07:45 (eleven years ago) link
Ha! I woke up with a Grimes song stuck in my head this morning, without having heard it in days. I don't know the name of it or even the lyrics so I've substituted Cocteau Twins nonsense but it's like "some, some, some, some, give it all back, I would start the seaside, I would start the whoooaaaa-ooaaaa-ooooaaa"
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 6 April 2012 09:35 (eleven years ago) link
I've checked, it's Visiting Statue and it's "seabed" not "seaside" but approximately the same lyrics.
That song is an earworm!
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 6 April 2012 09:36 (eleven years ago) link
they're (almost) all earworms !I've just bought tickets to see her in paris in may.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 6 April 2012 09:56 (eleven years ago) link
i need someone elseto look into my eyes and tell me girl you know you gotta watch your health(to look into my eyes and tell me girl you know you gotta watch your health)LA LA LA LA LA
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
Interesting interview from Tiny Mix Tapes:
http://www.tinymixtapes.com/features/grimes
― Moodles, Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
Used to work at D&Q!
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Sunday, 8 April 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
(ha ha, it took me like 3 years to learn how to export lossless from GarageBand but by that time I'd moved to the Record upgrade of Reason, so now I don't feel like such a dummy if she couldn't crack it either.)
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
Hildegarde von Bingen! OK, I love you. I knew I was right to do so.
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
Well, now we know her primary influence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37I7egeAtSY
― Sanpaku, Sunday, 8 April 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
I have never heard that song before; it's awesome.
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Monday, 9 April 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, wow, that's gorgeous. and jeez, you can really hear what grimes took away from it. hamill sounds like she had a p interesting career. according to wikipedia, she recorded with, toured with with or joined: procol harum, jethro tull, king crimson, gilbert o' sullivan, wishbone ash, jon and vangelis (she's on friends of mr. cairo!). voices sounds pretty great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tdeqk3zdPI
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://twitter.com/#!/Grimezsz/status/189136305098199041
― markers, Monday, 9 April 2012 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
http://grimestyle.tumblr.com/
never gonna get over her malice mizer background
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Monday, 9 April 2012 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
Reading her twitter, she just reminds me so much of my siX0r at that age, like freaky avante-naive prodigy goth girl in love with *everything* and eating up everything she possibly can with a spoon and dishing it out in this weird cuisineart blender of everything all at once, and yet still very personal and distinctive.
But, you know, I just love spooky art school girls so much. It's like... man, we could hang out, and drink wine and make the baby jesus cry. It'll be awesome.
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Monday, 9 April 2012 10:53 (eleven years ago) link
Side note, OK, why have I never heard Claire Hamill before? This has my name all over it!
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Monday, 9 April 2012 10:59 (eleven years ago) link
Hamill's Voices topped the UK New Age Chart in 1986, but its outlier in a discography of 70s folky/proggy singer-songwriter and 80s Kate Bushisms (for a few songs each folky album, at least).
― Sanpaku, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
yeah def wanna hang w/ grimes
― judith, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
interesting to discover her favourite album of last year was Katy B.
― Tim F, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
interesting that her favorite album of last year was so uninteresting
― Evan R, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
I was thinking of you when I posted that, admittedly.
― Tim F, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
I bit my tongue so hard before taking the bait... I really, really tried not to
― Evan R, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
not much crossover between this thread and the billy joel poll
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
The Katy B record is great!
― heiswagger (rennavate), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
Most of ILX (the smart half at least) thought it was great, too. Sometimes I think Grimes would make an excellent ILX0r. And then I realise she'd probably be a noize borader. Feh.
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 07:54 (eleven years ago) link
I've fallen and I can't feel my face.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
i think theres an rnb influence but not one that should be overstated. like daydream era mariah in places but thats about it. i mean its there and its not there.
― judith, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
It's an influence, it's hearable, but it's one of about a million "influences" that have been chopped up and thrown in the blender. It's not exactly a USP or anything, it's just a thing that's there.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
http://twitter.com/#!/Grimezsz/status/189590724138909696
― markers, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
i'm grimes you guys
― flopson, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:16 (eleven years ago) link
You're so positive
― 1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:17 (eleven years ago) link
Ben Gruber @benhenrygruber · Details@Grimezsz listening to michael jackson covers are we?
feel like posting this in the irrationally angry thread, read it and thought "this is why i hate people", not sure if i can explain properly but i can't be alone in this
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:42 (eleven years ago) link
like the fact that this person thought his knowledge of the fact that alien ant farm's biggest hit was a michael jackson cover was not only worth tweeting@a hipster girl he obv has a boner for, but the fact that he phrases it in a way that makes it look like he seriously expects her to respond to that
it's just
ugh
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:48 (eleven years ago) link
and it's not even that she's internet-famous or anything, i get weirdly annoyed when i see guys do similar things to girls they know on fbook (it is always straight guys who do this to girls on fbook), i just don't understand what goes on in ppl's heads
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:50 (eleven years ago) link
anyway i like grimes some of her songs are gud
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link
i just don't understand what goes on in ppl's heads
pussy
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 06:09 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not calling you that, im just saying that is what is going thru straight guys who write dumb messages to girls heads.
dude does seem hella thirsty
― D-40, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 07:56 (eleven years ago) link
heh nsfw http://grimestyle.tumblr.com/post/21872453967/preview-grimes-pussy-rings-first-creation-of-the
― diamonddave85, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
Grimes fave (and Montreal pals?) Purity Ring are now also releasing their debut lp on 4AD (7/24/2012).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETbGpGJNVLM
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Monday, 7 May 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
I really love Visions. It's so catchy yet I don't get tired of listening to it. I love singing with her and making up lyrics like I did when I listened to Cocteau Twins.
― LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:01 (eleven years ago) link
love this >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxmCvdY4NZQ&feature=youtu.be
― Chris S, Friday, 1 June 2012 04:36 (eleven years ago) link
hm, doesn't seem to want to embed. lets try..
http://youtu.be/FxmCvdY4NZQ
― Chris S, Friday, 1 June 2012 04:39 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxmCvdY4NZQ
― markers, Friday, 1 June 2012 04:44 (eleven years ago) link
love this
― ♆ (gr8080), Monday, 4 June 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
Did Grimes get really big all of a sudden? On Friday I was in two "young people" clothes shops and they were playing tracks off Visions.
― nagl lack (seandalai), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:49 (eleven years ago) link
it's a "thing" now
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 06:00 (eleven years ago) link
in my clothing shops of young people
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
'phone sex' seems like it's striving v hard to be a big summer jam, but for me it's succeeding very well, so whatyagonnado.
the tent for her set at field day had overspilled in a serious way, she is v much 'in'.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
I'm more about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIqz3Q4qsMw
― fffv, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 03:13 (eleven years ago) link
Joanna Newsom meets electronic music.maxjimmyjazz 11 hours ago
― markers, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
wow, I wish
― Moodles, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
I actually quite like that remix.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
i haven't been listening to much new music this year but i do like some grimes jams
― markers, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
She played our stage at Field Day and I was amazed at how popular she was - people were going apeshit but I still don't really get it. It seems to be more about her as a personality than the music. It was really interesting watching the crowd change for Tortoise who were on after her.
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
It seems to be more about her as a personality than the music.
yes, this must be it.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
That's the kind of comment that really irritates me. Like, you don't *get* the music (which is fine, that's why there's chocolate and vanilla) but because you don't *get* it, that means other people's appreciation must be based on her... personna or something?
It doubly irks because it's the kind of criticism that often gets thrown at female musicians - it can't possibly be their music, it has to be about something else - saying people are responding to that performer's "personality" is a step up from "you just like her looks" but it's coming from the same highly loaded place IMHO.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
she's pretty cute tho
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
So's Thom Yorke. Your point is?
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
Gukbe had all the bait this entire time, you guys
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
WCC did not take my post in the spirit within which it was given
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
your use of "within" makes that sound quite liturgical.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
just striving to hit that point where the post plunges through its own transparency to meet the power that created it
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
It was really interesting watching the crowd change for Tortoise who were on after her.
well ya, it went from (to generalize) a slightly younger mixed group to (to generalize) a slightly older largely male group. this is perhaps not v startling when it comes to tortoise vs just about anybody. and rly i'm not even sure what her persona is, especially not as something notably distinct from the music.
(mild passive aggressive dickishness aside, your stage had a lot of great stuff, doran, i found myself there more than anywhere else. and also, if you were who i thought you were, that was a v sharp fitzcarraldo-esque suit you were sporting.)
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
Nah, personality may be part of it, but i think the biggest part is blog fame/peer pressure.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 June 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
she was v.much 'bad' at primavera - needed a smaller stage I think, struggled to fill the space
― ༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Thursday, 7 June 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
also, an artist's personality always comes through their music; it's a bad argument that separates the two.
― unknown pleasure zone (uptown churl), Thursday, 7 June 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
^^^^It's got nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman and everything to do with the fact her music is - IN MY OPINION - paper thin and on the whole unmemorable, the fact her voice is (to me) pretty irritating and there's only really one strong song on the album and even then, I'd sooner listen to Julie Cruise.
Apologies if I've expressed myself badly here but the post was supposed to suggest that I'm middle aged and perhaps too old to 'get it', hence the reference to Tortoise. As I twittered at the time I was pretty much convinced it was the coolest/youngest thing we've ever had our name attached to and it was pretty funny seeing all these people slowly morphing into fucked old dudes who look like me for Tortoise.
But yeah, if I was passive/aggressive or a dick, I'm sorry BUT I reject any claims of misogyny vigorously. There's absolutely no reason why anyone on here should have read anything I've written but all the same there is enough evidence out there to suggest that I@m not some sexist creep - quite the opposite hopefully. Sorry if I've upset anyone I'll try and phrase things more precisely next time.
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
oh, i meant i was the one possibly being a passive aggressive dick, sorry! (communicating over the internet bad, grimes better.)
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
additionally i can't fucking stop listening to the track with blood diamonds, i should really be saving my summer jams for summer.
Ah, sorry. And thanks for the kind words on my suit - usually I expect people to say I look like a sex tourist in it. I'm glad you enjoyed our stage. It wasn't as good as last year but yeah, I think there were some ace sets.
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
Doran you can just not like the music rather than posit that her music has no appeal to anyone and people are just vibing off her personality.
Which doesn't really make sense given this album's take-up seems to be much broader than the reach of interviews/profiles on her would suggest.
If anything most people I know who are really into the album got into it in a way entirely disconnected from any notion of who Claire Boucher "is" - in particular at least 3 people I know first became obsessed with "Oblivion" as a kind of ~this year's "Heartbeats"~ thing where they didn't really care who was responsible for the music so long as it filled a specific need for them.
― Tim F, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
Look, it was an off the cuff observation based on how it seemed to me and I've explained that personally I'm at a loss to understand what people see in her as the album, in my opinion, isn't that good. Then, I had the privilege of watching her gig from the side of stage and seeing how it went off. People were screaming for her deafeningly even while she was setting her gear up. Apart from a pretty cheesy rubber n'angel wings dancing dude there isn't any show to speak of and she commanded our biggest crowd of the day by what I would call force of personality. But this is just what I got from it, obviously most other people would disagree with me and say that the album is full of tunes etc. But as observations go, I now accept that it was a bit shit and maybe not totally thought through properly.
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think Doran was out of bounds. I think a lot of listeners DO respond to her personality; it seems like it is a significant apart of her appeal (and certainly a significant apart of her recorded presence). I don't think that's an inherently bad thing at all, but it's something I wrestle with listening to the album, which I really love. I can't always tell how much I'm responding to her music and how much I'm responding to her overall endearing, cool-girl vibe. There's probably no need to even make a distinction between the two, b/c they're so connected.
― Evan R, Thursday, 7 June 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
I guess that's part of why I'm so conflicted about that Blood Diamonds song. I dig it, but it's so sexually charged that it makes me question my motives for liking it and Grimes overall. Am I into the music, or am I just another dude crushing on the cute girl? And again, how can I even make a distinction?
― Evan R, Thursday, 7 June 2012 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
But as observations go, I now accept that it was a bit shit and maybe not totally thought through properly.
the only thing that bothered me about with comment was the suggestion that grimes' audience was responding more to her personality than to the music (something we can't really determine from outside other people's heads). in saying that, you at least seemed to denigrate the way grimes' fans relate to her, intentionally or not.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 8 June 2012 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think there's anything wrong with liking a song in part because you think it's sexy - same goes for performers. i mean, people sometimes get gross about this kind of thing, but i think we all pretty much know when we're perving.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 8 June 2012 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
I think the other thing is she has a little girl voice, so when she sings that "talk to me daddy" line, she's playing into some sort of icky fantasies
― Evan R, Friday, 8 June 2012 04:50 (eleven years ago) link
Visions is sexy too, of course, but its sexiness comes from her overall energy and intimacy and the romanticism and physicality in her lyrics. This is the first track I've heard where she seems to be going for a deliberate Lolita thing, so it just feels a little cheap and easy
― Evan R, Friday, 8 June 2012 04:53 (eleven years ago) link
maybe it's just me but the title feels like a bit of a red herring - i can't decipher all of the lyrics, but it seems there are a lot of tones going on in there besides sexual, and the sexual side itself seems to have some conflicting facets to it.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 8 June 2012 05:14 (eleven years ago) link
I have pretty much no concept of who Claire Boucher is but I really, really like this record.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:05 (eleven years ago) link
as rich and interesting and fun as her music is, I don't get how someone would only be able to imagine her appeal as only possibly being due to her image - appealing as it may be
― Chris S, Friday, 8 June 2012 07:29 (eleven years ago) link
There's this thing that ppl do when they're defensive (I include myself in this, BTW) which is, when they're accused of saying/doing something sexist (or racist or homophobic or whatever) which is to say "but I'm not misogynist so I REALLY resent that!" which is infuriating and counter productive.
It's like - we live in a culture which is just soaked in sexist values and we pick them up, consciously or not. I mean, I'm soaking in these ideas even though I've been actively resisting them for 30+ years. They're the things that pop out when we're shooting off the cuff, when we're tired, or not qualifying things or thinking them through.
And it's much better to own it, say "that was a sexist assumption" and move on to a more thought-out reflection or assessment - this actually helps work against that subconscious, internalised sexism in a way in a way that flat-out denial does not.
Just putting that out there, you can do with it what you like.
For the most part, I'm with Tim - drawing conclusions about why people like music that you don't is a fool's game.
You can interrogate your own tastes but trying to go in on others' is a bent mirror.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:37 (eleven years ago) link
i'm on the fence about the music, but like scik mouthy, i don't know much about grimes/c boucher. i don't even know what she looks like. while i sometimes think musical voices and personae are sexy, it's usually a rather abstract sort of appreciation, separated from the tangible, bodily things that tend most immediately to engage my erotic imagination. "phone sex" does't even spark that kind of secondhand frisson. there's no sense of physicality or lust in it.
(one of the few songs i do find genuinely erotic, sonic youth's "eliminator jr." is apparently about a famous sex crime, so maybe my calibration is off, i dunno...)
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:43 (eleven years ago) link
^^I've explained and apologised for what I'm going to. You can't dress me down for presuming too much about other people while doing exactly the same to me. Well, you can, but I'm fucked if I'm going to 'wear' anything. Sounds like by your own admissions you could do with getting your own house in order and stop projecting your own standards on to others. Also you could do with checking the dictionary meaning of "seems" as it pertains to perception.
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:53 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't know anything about her or know what she looked like before I saw her live but one of the many things that led me towards thinking there was perhaps a cult of personality at work was the fact she looked really cool and there were girls dressed like her in the front row. (Not that these things always correlate - for example I don't think Slipknot are over-endowed with personality...)
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:59 (eleven years ago) link
A friend of mine heard the album and then saw the Oblivion video and went out and got that haircut within two days fwiw.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 8 June 2012 08:06 (eleven years ago) link
okay, so i watched the video. still my by far my favorite thing on the album. funny that i should only notice this while watching her pronounce the lyrics, but she lisps a little, right? "look into my eyeth and tell me..."
anyway, i now know what she looks like, though i don't think i want that haircut.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 8 June 2012 08:13 (eleven years ago) link
Doran if you would stop being so viciously defensive and actually looked at the things you were saying...
Like, why is Grimes as an "image band" indicative of "personality" while Slipknot, who are just as much an "image band" - how it that not coded as "personality" in the same way? If you'd stop kneejerking we could have an interesting conversation about that. But you have to admit that there are things in play here.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 8 June 2012 08:32 (eleven years ago) link
I guess it's because you're projecting things onto me that just aren't true (as far as I'm aware)... I'm not viciously doing anything. I didn't say Grimes were an image band. I didn't make a sexist/misogynist assumption about Grimes.
Last things first - I don't have to admit anything, I have no idea what your last sentence means.
I don't think a band/singer having a strong image is a negative thing. In fact I'd say that out of all my favourite bands/artists most (Prince, Bowie, Slayer, TG, PE, Kraftwerk, SunnO)))) have a defining visual look and only a few (PJ Harvey, The Fall) don't. So I think the fact that Grimes has a strong visual identity is a positive thing. Slipknot who are a passably entertaining band with one good album, who were quite exciting to watch live at a certain point are positively lacking in personality. It's all just mall nihilism, Hot Topic, Nightmare on Elm Street franchise, merch rights nonsense dressed up as the apocalypse. So in this, I'm suggesting that Grimes is far superior to Slipknot.
So, this conversation you were talking about, I'm all for it but I feel we'll both - not just me - need to pay closer attention to what the other one is saying.
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 08:49 (eleven years ago) link
You might wanna change that screen name first.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 8 June 2012 09:08 (eleven years ago) link
That is a fair point.
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 09:18 (eleven years ago) link
Done.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 09:19 (eleven years ago) link
lol
Doran, I think you're being treated unfairly here but that was cute.
― Ò (Ówen P.), Friday, 8 June 2012 12:30 (eleven years ago) link
late to the party but wasn't there an interview/thinkpiece/whatever about how boucher is like hyperaware of her image/persona and puts a lot of effort into it? thing is it's not a bad thing imo and it's dishonest to suggest that the majority of artists don't care about their image or the majority of listeners don't care about an artists' image. there's nothing wrong or inauthentic about merging personality with art; it's essentially unavoidable. the annoying thing is that it's almost always used as a criticism of female artists because hey ingrained sexism.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 8 June 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
I liked her music before I knew about her personality. I think it really came out in the "Oblivion" video, but she had two albums before that that people liked. There weren't many interviews with her before Visions so I didn't know much about her or her image. Only the "Vanessa" video which is nice but pretty anonymous.
― LeRooLeRoo, Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
It becomes so impossible to talk about this stuff, no matter how nicely you dress up the conversation, because people freak out and go "OMG you're accusing *me* of misogyny!!! how DARE you!!!" (see also the Erykah Badu thread ad infinitum) when what you are trying to say is "this stuff does not happen in a vacuum." The dialogue surrounding the way music made by men vs that made (or even liked) by women is discussed is loaded at a societal level.
It's this thing that outsidery dudes *love* to do when they are so tied up in their "OMG, I'm such an outsidery dude, I'm so not *affected* by society's mores!" that they don't even notice that they are telling a woman to "get her own house in order" from a screen name with a vastly derogatory term for women because that's just a cute or funny word to them, rather than a term of abuse which has been used to degrade you, personally, and hold back your entire kind. I don't know if it was intended to be *ironic* saying "I'm not going to wear that" when you were, literally, wearing it. You might insist you're wearing a plain white shirt but if you are existing in an environment where every single light shining on you is red, that shirt will look pink. Shouting that you are wearing a white shirt doesn't do anything about the red lights. They're still there, and denying that they exist makes the problem worse, not better.
This whole thing of "image" and "personality" is something that does get held against female artists in a way it just doesn't with male. That if you go to a Grimes gig and the front row is full of girls with her haircut who are dressed like her, that gets held against her and her fans, in a way that if you go to a metal gig and the front row is full of men with long hair, weedy beards and scruffy black clothes exactly like the dudes on stage - that doesn't get counted against them as being "just image." Even though it is the same kind of use of image for drawing tribal boundaries or identity. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a valid complaint against either. But it sure as hell gets used much more on one side than the other. (See also: Wayne Coyne's eccentricity gets him painted as creative, wacky, hoopy frood, while Erykah Badu's eccentricity gets her painted as "crazy.")
I get that you're saying that you didn't mean it in a gender-loaded way, you were doing the whole thing of saying "I'm old and I just don't understand why this is so popular because ugh X and ugh Y" when X and Y might actually be the things that are attracting that audience to that music in the first place?
That you hear music which is "thin" when I hear music that is light, playful, fun, joyous, that she has a mixed-bag, magpie approach to genre and style where everything gets thrown in together to create something frothy which is about mood and tone and creating these kid of theatrical set pieces.
That you dislike her voice - you'd rather listen to Julee Cruise. Which is kind of point-missing, to me. That Julee Cruise uses an airy, ultra-high voice to create things that are pretty, ethereal, beautiful, and generally nice to listen to. While Grimes takes that same vocal style, and uses it to create things that are sometimes pretty, but more often weird, theatrical, odd, strained, unnatural. It's like saying you'd prefer Katherine Jenkins to Diamanda Galas. I, personally, *love* what she's doing with her voice because she specifically uses that ultra-feminine coded high voice and uses it in a way that isn't always pretty, but is sometimes like a parody of feminine-coded voice pushed to absurdity and even ugliness. It's saying, to me, "look at this performance of gender, how fucking weird it is when you push it to extremes!" In a very similar way that The Knife pushed the performance of male and female voices to be slowed down and sped up so you could never tell if it was the man or woman singing or both. (I'm sure that metal dudes love the cookie monster voice, when I fucking hate it - and possibly even for the same reasons, because it's similarly a hyper-exaggerated take on performance of "masculine" voice.)
It's absolutely very much filling the kind of space created by The Knife - that's why I posted her on the post-Knife aesthetic thread on the Sandbox. I respond to many of the same things. The taking a grab-bag approach to the aesthetics of dance and electronic music as suits the song, rather than trying to fit to a specific genre. That air of theatricality - of pretence and masks (literal in The Knife's case, but figurative in Grime's. She doesn't mask her face, but she does mask her voice) is something I find very, very appealing. The whole idea of "give someone a mask and they will tell the truth."
That might be semi-political for me, but that goes way beyond the scope of a Grimes thread. (In a world where Straight White Male is seen as default, people who aren't one, or even several of those things, often already have to wear a metaphorical mask to pass or get by. So a mask seems less like a put-on and more like a tool. But that's another thread.)
To me, interesting stuff comes out when you push beyond that "I dislike (or like) this artist, and I can't freaking understand why people would (or wouldn't!)" kneejerk thing. That often you find out that the thing you hate is precisely what they love. But sometimes you have to have the conversation about whether your shirt is pink or the lights are red (and perhaps both societal and personal attitudes about pink as a colour for shirts, and what that means, though that's perhaps a metaphor too far) before you can get to that point.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 09:36 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry for wall of text. I don't imagine anyone is going to have the patience to read through all of that.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 09:39 (eleven years ago) link
I will in a bit but my screen name was obviously in references to other people's posts with specific reference to a female rapper I currently like. You can refuse this explanation if you like and to be honest, given the circumstances I really don't blame you but you at least have my side of things now re: the screen name.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
Ok, point by point:
Don't paint me as supporting Wayne Coyne or use it as an analogy here. I don't support him and it's not helpful.
I'm a fan of Erykah Badu and The Flaming Lips (especially the albums Soft Bulletin, Clouds Taste Metallic, Embryonic, Zaireeka) but I hate their Fat Freddie's Cat smokin dope and chasing skirt counterculture, hippie persona. If it turns out they did release that video without asking for her permission (no matter what she agreed to do or whether she'd done her research or not) then fuck that guy - what a cuntish thing to do.
Also, stop with the caps and the multiple exclamation points. If you keep on insisting that I'm being hysterical, "vicious", "violent", "knee jerk", shouting, losing my shit etc then eventually some people on this board will actually start treating me like I am and I'd prefer it if that didn't happen, given that I've responded to you calmly at every stage of this. All I said was that I reject any claims made here of misogyny. I know what the current thinking in gender studies on this is: it almost doesn't matter what I think, it only matters how you and other women feel about things I say. Which is fair enough I guess. Just don't expect me not to defend myself, and do me the courtesy of not throwing up a vitriolic and confusing smokescreen with all this OMG!!! stuff and constantly blurring the line between what you claim I do and what men in general do.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:14 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not an "outsidery dude" and have never claimed to be one. I'm the 40-year-old father of one who has a mortgage, edits a magazine and does a lot of freelance to keep that magazine going. All I do is go to work and go to nursery. Literally. I'm about as outsider as Keith Chegwin. I have never claimed to be not affected by society's mores. I do not know where you are coming up with this stuff from. I'm not even saying you're doing this on purpose but you seem to be partially having a row with me and partially with some other guys who've said stuff to you in the past. As irritating as it may be to be surrounded by oafs who talk shit about women must be, if we could stick to what I've said and done that would be helpful.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:25 (eleven years ago) link
There's this thing that ppl do when they're defensive (I include myself in this, BTW) which is, when they're accused of saying/doing something sexist (or racist or homophobic or whatever) which is to say "but I'm not misogynist so I REALLY resent that!" which is infuriating and counter productive.It's like - we live in a culture which is just soaked in sexist values and we pick them up, consciously or not. I mean, I'm soaking in these ideas even though I've been actively resisting them for 30+ years. They're the things that pop out when we're shooting off the cuff, when we're tired, or not qualifying things or thinking them through.
This, and only this, is what led me to suggest you get your own house in order. You have just admitted that you make sexist, racist and homophobic comments on a public internet forum. I have not admitted to doing so, nor will I, no matter how much it irritates you. You are presuming too much about me with close to no evidence to go on. I will admit that your second paragraph here is spot on in general terms and yes, it's always good to have ones attitudes challenged and this board and OTF have played a significant part in me fine tuning my beliefs and attitudes on several matters. This, however, was not and will not be one of those occasions and there is no evidence to prove otherwise.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
Dude, I will accept this explanation. And I do not want to get into the whole "bitch" discussion again. However, you do have to understand that it is still a loaded word. And though there are contexts in which I am prepared to accept it, and even use it - it is one thing for a woman, be that Nikki Minaj or Meredith freaking Brooks, to use it. But that does not give you the right to trot it out coz you think it's funny.
And dude, this whole "gender studies" thing. This is a thing that is lived experience of myself, and many other women. It's a thing that we have to deal with, and we have the right to talk about it. If it's not something that applies to you, then you can admit "misogyny is a real thing" and move on.
It's when you go beyond that, and start implying things about my motivations for what I'm doing, you make yourself the asshole here.
I've been trying to be nice, and light-hearted and playful with the "OMG's" and stuff because I've learned that humour gets a better response when talking about serious issues. If you want to read that as "vitriolic" - that's your baggage that you're bringing to the party. I didn't use either the term "vicious" or "violent" at all in my post, but you somehow decided that I did.
This kind of stuff - reading "vicious" and "violent" and "vitriolic" where I'm trying to be playful and lighthearted and have not used those terms at all - can you see how that might lead me to think that there's other stuff going on in your head?
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:35 (eleven years ago) link
I am, unequivocally 100% sorry about the offence caused by my screen name. I'm fucking mortified in fact. I genuinely thought that on a board such as this, taking a line from a female rapper and using it in a different context, i.e. about reading someone else's posts, with no direct misogynist overtones would be ok but I now see that I was being a fucking idiot - and that by using such a loaded word with such a grim history I would have upset at least a handful of people. This much is crystal clear. If there is anything I can do to try and make up for this within reason, I'll try and accommodate you. And I'll try and watch my language - an unfortunately atavistic product of my upbringing - in future.
XP: I just wrote this so I'll submit anyway.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:37 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't put the word vitriolic in quotes.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:39 (eleven years ago) link
You have just admitted that you make sexist, racist and homophobic comments on a public internet forum.
That is not what I said at all.
I said that I am soaking in a culture that is so deeply seeped in racism and sexism and homophobia, that some of my first, subconscious reactions to things are informed by the racism, sexism and homophobia of the culture I live in. I am not separate from my culture or my society. I breathe this stuff the same as everyone else does.
Rather than give in to those learned impulses, I TRY to examine things, from my own perspective, and from the shared experiences of others, BEFORE I type or hit submit on an internet forum. It doesn't always work, I often have to be corrected, especially on issues of race and class. But the difference is, I acknowledge that this society is often racist and classist, I admit that bias, I try to correct it, and I move on. I don't carry on still insisting that other people are somehow out to get me, or "violent" because they point out that these things exist. That's an asshole move.
Yet that's exactly the move that you are playing on me, when I suggest that society's ideas about women *might* be affecting the criticisms you raise about a female artist.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
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― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
You claim that you're stopping to read other people's posts before hitting submit but you just aren't. I said you were accusing me of talking violently, with vitriol and being vicious.
I shouldn't have put the word "violent" in quotes but the sentiment still stands.
Look, as far as I can tell I'm reading everything that you say very closely and you're not doing the same with me. If you don't stick exactly to what I've said and done there's no point in carrying on.
If you want me to I can get back to answering all the points in your first, giant post of today if you like.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
No. This is where I walk away from the argument because we've been butting heads for nearly a decade now, you just accuse me of things you do (and I no doubt do the same) and this isn't solving anything.
It does not matter to me if you answer or not. Have a nice life.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
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― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
Wait, I know you? Who are you? I have no idea literally. Someone from the Plan B messageboard? Or OTF? Those being the only places I've argued with people online.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
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― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
Jesus Christ I hope people aren't responding to the image if that's what it looks like because her image is fucking terrible. It reminds me of those Klaxons style hipster wizard suits.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sorry to be a pedant but for the record I said personality which is a combination of image and many other things in this context. Sorry, but you can probably see why I'm a bit jumpy about this now.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
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#seapunk
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
so Grimes is opening for the Lips in New Orleans on their record-breaking gig attempt whatever thing.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
was going to b**** about her skipping DC but just noticing that she's playing here with Elite Gymnastics in September so fuckin' get in
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
For the sake of my mental health I hope they don't make a video together.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
should be an ILX fap at the lips/grimes show, everyone can talk a few things over in the bar beforehand
― blossom smulch (schlump), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
A+
― Ò (Ówen P.), Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
cmon clusterfuck supernova would be fun while it/we lasted.
― Merdeyeux, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
naw
― flopson, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
friend of mine doesn't like this artist because iho it is "lifestyle music"
The lifestyle of being 23 and going thrifting?
― Ò (Ówen P.), Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
I always think that's one of the daftest kind of criticisms people make. all music is lifestyle music, there's no escaping it.
― Chris S, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
later the same night he put on ariel pink though :-/
― flopson, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
i def think some music is more "lifestyle music" than other, but it's definitely a neutral characteristic rather than a solid basis of, like, dismissal
― flopson, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
fuck everyone
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno, even bland, regular guy music is 'bland, regular guy music'
― Chris S, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
although I guess there are varying degrees of awareness of this. like bro-punk bands that are "y'know, just playing music"... which of course means music that reflects their lifestyle and sounds like a musical personification of their character/culture
― Chris S, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
somehow this is a real thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=ScPaXIyb3SA
― fffv, Monday, 11 June 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
huh, all it took was one kreayshawn collab to kill this thread
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Friday, 22 June 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
Or just a lack of any new music or exciting performances?
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
Still loving the album. Incredibly excited about a recent twitter exchange that suggests that Claire and le1f might be recording something together. Waiting to see what happens next.
her music has that chillwave someone singing along to the radio thing going on, which is pretty i think limting
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 June 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
but she some cool qualities
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 June 2012 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
"Skin" is kind of transcendent, really.
― Turangalila, Saturday, 14 July 2012 05:59 (eleven years ago) link
But this whole album creeped up on me unexpectedly, having initially dismissed it as vapidly pretty.
― Turangalila, Saturday, 14 July 2012 06:00 (eleven years ago) link
i like to think that i would have gone to grimes skrillex diplo had i been in town, going to be insane
― carly rae (flopson), Saturday, 14 July 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
no grimes skrillex diplo is the name of my dog
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
Driving in for Pitchfork today mostly to see her. Hoping it'll be a good show; she has a headlining-ish slot
― Evan R, Saturday, 14 July 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
She played Toronto last night w/Diplo and Skrillex. Didn't go but I chatted with some random attendees afterward: "oh yah she was cool but we were there to see Skrill". Skrill? OK!
― Ówen P., Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
lol :-)
― carly rae (flopson), Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
next unlikely touring lineup can be The (Skrill) Ex.
― Merdeyeux, Saturday, 14 July 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
that would be p dope if he officially changed his name to "SKRILL" at some point
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
Sounds like fish food to me
― Moodles, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
Skrill (ex-Skrillex)
― Ówen P., Tuesday, 17 July 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R9SlVtMsWjs/T0y6eio4LSI/AAAAAAAAL2Q/tqwG6FWSaUw/s1600/Krillex.jpg
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
Performance on Jimmy Fallon's show last night was way boring, but after the song and after he shook Claire's and her dancer's hands and ran up into the audience, they huddled on the stage and started jumping up and down and giggling. It was cute.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
drugs
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FH-q0I1fJY
― some white dude (Turangalila), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
can someone tell Mortiis his wife's got out of the cave and is running about in the desert?
― Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
bitches must be dreading a hit these days if they're gonna get driven out to wear outfits in the desert every time
― r|t|c, Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:42 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark
― young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah yeah - song is still great though.
― some white dude (Turangalila), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
I cannot lie, that gang looks like a bitchin good time.
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
This year's gathering of the juggalos look crazy
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
the way she looks into the camera is p mesmerizing
― flopson, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
did not have trouble watching that
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
Girl is a star, straight up.
― calstars, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
argh this shit
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
recommend depends
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
curious to hear u elab on this
― flopson, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
turangalia I really enjoyed the video of your road trip to the burning man festival, hope you will post more
― bert yansh (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
guilty lol will not prevent me from watching that video again
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
I always liked everything about Lady Gaga except for the catchy, memorable melodies and adequate production values, so this is really up my alley.
― bert yansh (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
hehe
― young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
i'm just mad that i can't wear my sparse metal bikini in the suburbs anymore because everyone will think i'm ripping off grimes
― Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 23 August 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
flaming broadsword? shamelessly marketing herself to the scott seward audience.
― emo mcgee vs ricky hitler (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 23 August 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
What's the concept of the video?
Claire Boucher: It's loosely based on this painting by my favorite painter, Hieronymus Bosch, called "The Seven Deadly Sins and the Four Last Things" (below). I wanted to play with Medieval/Catholic imagery. I was raised in a Catholic household and went to a Catholic school, and my childhood brain perceived medieval Catholicism as an action movie: There's this crazy omnipresent guy who can destroy you at any moment.
If painters could be compared to filmmakers, Bosch is the Hype Williams of renaissance painters.
― Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
This whole interview on the Genesis video is great:
http://www.pitchfork.com/features/directors-cut/8929-grimes/?utm_medium=site&utm_source=ticker&utm_name=ticker
Like when she talks about the broadsword woman being a "contemporary muse" and then she's "like the Ryan Seacrest of indie culture".
Girl enjoys her analogies a whole lot.
― Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
she's like the madonna of terrible indie artists
― vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Saturday, 1 September 2012 00:18 (eleven years ago) link
This really does sound like those halfheard/remembered songs with wordshaped/evocative sounds instead of audible lyrics I'd have to half make up when there was a party nearby when I was a kid, as a few people upthread have kinda suggested/said. It's pretty amazing atm.
― albvivertine, Saturday, 1 September 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
It's very openeded, as a guy who drums said. I was loving a percussion part on Vanessa till I stopped tapping my desk and realised it wasn't actually on the track.
― albvivertine, Saturday, 1 September 2012 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
finally checked this album out a few days ago. totally obsessed. picked up the vinyl version of 'Visions' last night - sounds fantastic. great pop album.
― harpal, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
Yes it is.
― LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah idg the "lack of hooks" crit. "Circumambient" could be Kylie.
― some white dude (Turangalila), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
writer J. Shepherd not crazy about "Genesis" video:
http://jawnita.tumblr.com/post/32480860758/i-wrote-this-thing-about-grimes-genesis-and-it-never
As narrative goes, the visuals are purely aesthetic, a laundry list of representational “art” looks popularized by Tumblr, offering nothing more than skewed prettiness; which is why the presence of Candy’s Aeon Flux dancer is so much more problematic. The video is Grimes playing primitivism, using a lens of a vague “future” as a way to execute notions of… well, future primitive. Some of the same critiques of James Cameron’s Avatar—that it continues the tradition of exoticising and idealizing the “advanced” and “pure” primitive other—apply here. Worst of all, the video begins with Grimes singing a refrain that is not on her album: wailing in her airy voice, she seems to mimic the vocal runs of Middle Eastern music, but without offering any context whatsoever. Presumably, it’s her depoliticized sonic interpretation of what is “weird,” “edgy,” or “other,” without any visible evidence that she has any knowledge of global music—unlike, say, MIA, who herself is complicated but travels the world to mine its variant sounds , or even white art-pop band Gang Gang Dance, whose polyglot vocalist Lizzi Bougatsos flips bhangra and traditional Chinese and Arabic singing with the precision of someone who’s studied it.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 29 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, nor am i?
i still love the actual album way way more than shepherd does, but the video is iffy, the fashion stuff is iffy, and the random reference to japanese aesthetic philosophy in the parenthetical title for be a body is just... a bit random? and not necessarily motivated maybe? and kind of just a signifier/stand in?
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 29 September 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
find it sort of bewildering that people could have interpreted the album in such way that that video might be seen as being aesthetically divergent or misrepresentational
(ftr it is all just whatever to me moreso than offensive)
― r|t|c, Saturday, 29 September 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
"with the precision of someone who’s studied it" is a big boring canard anyway, isn't it just rather the every poet steals, bad poets deface, good poets renew thing
can't say i'm any fan of gang gang dance either admittedly
― r|t|c, Saturday, 29 September 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
oh black keys only paws
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
As narrative goes, the visuals are purely aesthetic,
the horror!
― flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
Presumably, it’s her depoliticized sonic interpretation of what is “weird,” “edgy,” or “other,” without any visible evidence that she has any knowledge of global music
i will not vibe 2 this refrain w/o further evidence (will accept certificate of global music minor, substantial ratio of music tagged "global music" on i-pod)
― flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
It's so weird that writers are choosing NOW to get tripped up over the fact postmodernism and globalisation are real as have been for over a generation.
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
When has rock'n'roll ever given a shit about propriety of cultural borders?
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, Buddy Holly never went to Africa.
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh2wWjXgi8k
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 15:40 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
eh i think there are some ok points to be made, this guy just has his head so far up all kinds of ass, that "Presumably," is just...
― flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
The rest of that Julianne Shep blogpost offers a bit more balance.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
the problem with that video is not cultural appropriation, its that nothing at all interesting happens, just a bunch of teenagers staging a manga / 90s fashion show in the dessert.
― dsb, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
i like the music though...
ah but you see ... we are entering "post interesting" era
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
genesis is a lot more interesting than most music videos i have sene this year in which things actually happen tho
― flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
the demand for "high concept" videos takes away from the music I think ... who needs another nerdfest at this point?
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
Right, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with just dancing around in the desert with your friends/models for your video, but the whole vibe of the song/ way the video was filmed and edited makes it seems like there will be some sort of content that never arrives, or at least some interesting imagery more unique than ohh an albino snake.
― dsb, Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
i kind of imagined it as the first in a never to be continued series about this crew, or like their intro theme
― flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
I makes sense if you watch a bunch of grimes videos in a row ... they all feature dancing around in front of groups of people, whether modern dance troupe in white studio or nude guys in stadium locker room ... they're all kind of about various deserts. the "genesis" one just happens to be about California "superficial" scene
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
a lot of what this video & cultural appropriation debate reminds me of is that endless part of dorian grey where he's just listing all the exotic furs and perfumes he's collected, like ot1h repulsive & imperialist yet, at least ime (most people i've talked to about it hated that part or skipped it when they realized it was goign to be like 30 pages) intriguing and kind of seductive? felt that within the context of all the ideas going on abt aesthetics & youth & art it's an interesting part of the book, the allure of this massive luxury and beauty, and i guess that's where i'd place this video, too. obviously problematic in a post-colonial/globalizing world but i think to deny it any context besides tumblr is wrong, she seems pretty smart in interviews and like, went to college she prob has sth to say about it
― flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
Tim F. posted a Pitchfork interview with Claire/Grimes about this video upthread. Deciding what's cultural homage and what's cultural appropriation is not easy, and it does not appear J Shep read up much on Claire before posting and weighing on a complicated subject. She's done much more effective writing elsewhere.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
That blog is ridiculous
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 29 September 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
I think I get where Shep is coming from but it seems like she piles a lot of suggestive disapproval on quite thin foundations - e.g. aeon flux woman has pink weaves therefore she must be "other" therefore she must be some exoticised (marginalised) ethnic counterpoint to boucher's whiteness. This might in fact be the case but you could find a lot of these rabbit holes to tumblr down in just about every video clip if you try hard enough.
To her credit the rest of the post seems to acknowledge this even if only implicitly (and also supports Edward's "madonna of terrible indie artists" zing).
Not sure if the m.i.a. comparison is a good one to use in service of the point she's making - if m.i.a.'s cultural appropriations are problematic than they almost have to be more problematic than grimes' fairly minor misdemeanours in this regard, and the fact that she gets on a plane to go and "mine" influences from other parts of the world is not a point for the defence but a point for the prosecution. In this analogy grimes is like a local business that buys goods made in a sweatshop while m.i.a. is a wholesaler who flies there to negotiate purchases with the factory owner to be shipped back.
OTOH i guess what is firing shep up here is the thoughtlessness of cultural appropriations by white female artists. Which you couldn't accuse m.i.a. of (for more than one reason).
― Tim F, Saturday, 29 September 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
wait wacky ott colored weave ponytails have been a goth thing for like ever
― The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Saturday, 29 September 2012 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
As narrative goes, the visuals are purely aesthetic, a laundry list of representational “art” looks popularized by Tumblr, offering nothing more than skewed prettiness; which is why the presence of Candy’s Aeon Flux dancer is so much more problematic. The video is Grimes playing primitivism, using a lens of a vague “future” as a way to execute notions of… well, future primitive. Some of the same critiques of James Cameron’s Avatar—that it continues the tradition of exoticising and idealizing the “advanced” and “pure” primitive other—apply here. Worst of all, the video begins with Grimes singing a refrain that is not on her album: wailing in her airy voice, she seems to mimic the vocal runs of Middle Eastern music, but without offering any context whatsoever. Presumably, it’s her depoliticized sonic interpretation of what is “weird,” “edgy,” or “other,” without any visible evidence that she has any knowledge of global music
why are there so many quotation marks there when she's not actually quoting anything... it's totally disingenuous writing imo
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 September 2012 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
The criticism of this video is very silly to me because the concept is very clearly get together with some Burner friends, slap on wacky costumes, dance around, and have other hijinks. I don't think a whole lot of deep thought went into it beyond that.
― Moodles, Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:04 (eleven years ago) link
I've tried on numerous occasions but I can't get into this album. I feel like I have to fundamentally warp and contort my brain's music receptors to even begin to appreciate the aesthetic being presented - which Im not opposed to on principle, but in the case of the Grimes record I don't think it's worth the effort.
― Cliftonb, Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:09 (eleven years ago) link
why are there so many quotation marks there
to scare u
― j., Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:16 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like I have to fundamentally warp and contort my brain's music receptors to even begin to appreciate the aesthetic being presented - which Im not opposed to on principle, but in the case of the Grimes record I don't think it's worth the effort.
Curious about this. I love the album but whether i loved or hated it I think either way I'd still say the aesthetic is easy to understand. What makes you feel like you need to warp/contort yr brain?
― Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:19 (eleven years ago) link
ugh are you assholes gonna me me watch a "grimes" video
― wood grain, chestnut / cody, CHESNUTT (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:23 (eleven years ago) link
it's boring, don't bother
― j., Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:24 (eleven years ago) link
― Tim F, Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:19 AM
What I mean to say is that based on my brains music receptors' default settings this album does nothing for me. Specifically, I find the detached vocal delivery not engaging at all. The songs don't seem to go anywhere interesting and the synths and drumbeats sound kind of cheap and thrown together. At least that's how it sounds after about 4 full listens. I feel like I have to make fundamental changes in what I find aesthetically pleasing to begin to appreciate what's going on here. Given enough time and effort I may be even be able to, but I'm not really up for the task.
― Cliftonb, Sunday, 30 September 2012 05:03 (eleven years ago) link
Oh you mean you don't like it.
Why does everyone feel the need to dress up their objections to this album. It's okay to just not like some things.
― Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 05:23 (eleven years ago) link
If I just flat out didn't like it, I wouldn't have spent any time trying to appreciate it. I'm actually pretty neutral on the album but I feel like I'm missing the point which I'm more than happy to chalk up to a deficiency on my part.
― Cliftonb, Sunday, 30 September 2012 05:45 (eleven years ago) link
isn't this the exact problem with appropriation in a nutshell? being unthinking - wilfully or carelessly - about other people's cultures and treating them as "wacky" (ugh) costumes
― lex pretend, Sunday, 30 September 2012 08:12 (eleven years ago) link
(idk whether the grimes video is guilty of this, i assume so because it fits with her persona and i don't like her)
― lex pretend, Sunday, 30 September 2012 08:13 (eleven years ago) link
To me, the video reads a lot less like cultural appropriation and much more like a bunch of ladies getting their cosplay on for Comic Con.
― Moodles, Sunday, 30 September 2012 09:08 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah seriously.
― abcfsk, Sunday, 30 September 2012 09:21 (eleven years ago) link
I still like Grimes' music but I can't read another word anyone has written about her.
It's like every writer feels the need to use her music or "image" as some kind of springboard to their most pretentious and self-indulgent waffle, saying nothing about her but everything about their own expectations and issues.
I suppose that's the issue raised about - that her work is quite blank, and yet gives the impression of somehow being ~important~, so everyone rushes to fill up that blankness with their own ideas of what ~importance~ is or should be.
― Sexy Data Scientist (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 30 September 2012 09:38 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:12 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
every pop video ever
― Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:27 (eleven years ago) link
Trying to reconcile Lex's dislike of Grimes' wackiness with the image of him wearing one of her pussy rings, isn't that the same thing?
― bash with all one's might (Ówen P.), Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
??? Really?
― Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
Well, if "putting a girl w wacky pink dreads in your video" = casual appropriation of otherness, doesn't "man wearing goofy vagina ring" kind of equal the same thing? I'm not fighting or criting anyone's right to wear vagina rings (or get Aeon Flux in your vid) I just think there's a little bit too much 'academic rhetoric' being used to justify a person's essentially visceral dislike of something. i.e. she sings like a cat but that's Not Enough, I have to frame her as being Wrong as well as being Bad.
― bash with all one's might (Ówen P.), Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
Erm I was kind of made to wear the vulva ring by a (female) friend who owns the thing (and likes grimes) (it was understood by all present that I do not like her music, though the ring is amusing) (the joke was kind of that I did not recognise what it was until told) (I thought it was a star wars thing at first, then a plant)
― lex pretend, Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
loooool
― bash with all one's might (Ówen P.), Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
Better than a str8 male friend she told me about who thought it was a slug
― lex pretend, Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
Appropriation of otherness yeah ok maybe. But really what cultures is she pillaging from, what are these "others" you speak of? Is she supposed to stick with white female Canadian cultural signifiers and if so what are those?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 30 September 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe it will come out that she's never actually been to Burning Man.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 30 September 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
Or trained to use a broadsword.
Ya exactly, that piece might have made sense if everything she accused her of wasn't so damn vague. Particularly the "and even worse, she starts the video version of the song with some singing that vaguely reminds me of something middle eastern!" part
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 September 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
Yes! The intro really doesn't sound like anything in particular, she's just wordlessly humming into a mic.
Even if you want to say that she's stealing from Japanese culture in the video, it's hard to ignore that anime cosplay is a pretty well established thing in North America.
― Moodles, Sunday, 30 September 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
every post itt in the last 24 hours is great u are all otm
disclaimer i am going to link to an entirely unrelated article rn but i think that the critique of a partic strain of feminist discourse here (http://jacobinmag.com/2012/08/fairer-sex/) applies to all this hair-splitting over cultural appropriation hipster racism, too
― flopson, Sunday, 30 September 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
great article, thanks
― Chris S, Sunday, 30 September 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
it's a great mag i cannot recommend it highly enough
― flopson, Sunday, 30 September 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
been waiting for someone to call out all the rich white people uselessly gnawing at their own tails (to the utter indifference of actual working class people, who couldn't care less about the arbitrarily shifting boundaries of this narcissistic 'I went to college discourse') for a while. def going to follow that mag.
― Chris S, Sunday, 30 September 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
all this hair-splitting over cultural appropriation hipster racism
The Shep article struck me as being a bit like academic seminars that I used to go to when doing critical theory post-grad, where one academic gave a paper and then all the other academics lined up to push their wheelbarrow and identify something the first academic had missed or glossed over.
These critiques were justifiable - as in, relevant, cogent, useful - maybe 40% of the time, which probably isn't that bad a batting average really, but the whole approach struck me as vulnerable to becoming small-minded, a process of peer-review less concerned with helping the original speaker improve their thought, but more to highlight or underscore a perceived shortcoming vis a vis the second speaker.
I was always more interested in people asking questions which drew out a point that the original speaker had made, that tried to get within the headspace of the paper - this was the real benefit (and presumably the official purpose) of the whole set-up, but it characterised a depressing minority of the actual interactions.
The reason I raise this is that it strikes me that as the distance b/w the (esp. indie-associated) artists and the people who discuss them (whether fans, critics, or the many people who hover b/w those rules) diminishes, the more a lot of the discourse starts to resemble that kind of peer review process. A video clip, a HBO TV show and a blog all exist as cultural products placing their creators on a level playing field of critical interrogation vis a vis one another. As with peer review seminars, I see the benefit of this, but it does seem to encourage a lot of self-satisfied oneup(wo)manship as well.
― Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
Come to think of it, Bo Diddley never went to Africa either.
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 1 October 2012 01:13 (eleven years ago) link
I wish I could unsee those vulva rings.
― Shh. Don't tell anyone I'm ~famous. It'll be our little secret. (Turangalila), Monday, 1 October 2012 04:45 (eleven years ago) link
if the video weren't problematic how would we know we're alive
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Monday, 1 October 2012 06:27 (eleven years ago) link
Tim F that's a great post
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 October 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Monday, October 1, 2012 12:27 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
it looks like the Target deluxe edition contains "...All," "Gravity" and
and
::shudder::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdiL01PRtWI
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
lol fuck wrong thread sorry
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
glad to know you're keeping tabs on grimes tho
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
Miguel> Grimes
― curmudgeon, Monday, 1 October 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
the threads were right next to each other on ilm new answers! i have no idea what a grimes is
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
A. Grimes
http://agrimes.bandcamp.com/track/m-i-l-f
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
That's how you get the first listing in the Grimes section of the yellow pages
― The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081126080205/simpsons/images/4/42/Tombgshci.jpg
― dsb, Monday, 1 October 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
sorry huge, someone below the fold probably made that reference allready anyway
― dsb, Monday, 1 October 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
tim it is pretty baffling to me that you did postgraduate studies in crit theory since you are like, the clearest writer ever
― flopson, Monday, 1 October 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
Law was a pretty good counterweight - my problem in that dept is that I'm still too elliptical and roundabout at times.
― Tim F, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/49134952.html?page=all&refer=y
― flopson, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
I love this portrait of Claire Boucher. Sriracha on iPad:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mej3ou7NuT1qzcdbeo1_500.jpg
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
I guess it's a good thing for music fans that they couldn't get that engine working. xp
― o. nate, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://deadgirlfriends.tumblr.com/post/39420019737/how-do-you-feel-about-trolls
― markers, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
I saw this album on a lot of year-end lists and I took a flyer on Amazon. I'm glad that I did. It reminds me of Austra, who I also adore, in that is seems perfectly accessible to me. I cannot wait to play this for the wife.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Sunday, 27 January 2013 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
TMI
― zero dark (s1ocki), Sunday, 27 January 2013 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
Okay somebody explain the Tumblr post/Pitchfork repost kerfluffle today; I don't quite know what happened there.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
Although I see this now
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
From what I understand, people were giving her shit for her year end list at some publication, which featured some fairly universally loved pop songs/artists. She wrote a tumblr post this morning going into a detailed defense of it. Other blogs and eventually Pitchfork picked up on it. She said her tumblr isn't any kind of offical statement or news source, and then promptly deleted everything she'd ever posted on there.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
whether or not an artist's blog post is legitimate news from a news org's perspective is one question... i don't really agree with grimes tho
― d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
lol tumblr
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
Weird, I was reading that Tumblr post 30 minutes or so. Seemed relatively uncontroversial stuff, but then young ppl I guess.
― eskimo table (seandalai), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
gotta lock up yr diaryland, grimes
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
xp j0rdan u don't agree that listening to pop music is ok?
― flopson, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
lol, not that part
― d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
<3 grimes
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
man that's really sad. i just read the pitchfork thing, she is smart & says good stuff.
― schlump, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
yeah
― flopson, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
Biggups Grimes! I don't care much for your music but you sure know yr onions.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ sticker quote
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
Attacking her for these opinions is bullshit
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
leave britney alone
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
I don't care much for your music but you sure know yr onions.
yes
― ron paulstretch (crüt), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
& I don't care much for the music she's defending but I "get it" and am glad it exists
I like that she sees her creative process as swinging between making Dune albums and LOTR albums
― Moodles, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
didn't grimes recently say she'll be posting to her tumblr a lot more often for the fans? seems a little strange to go from that to deleting every post you've made
― ☕ (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
what is grimes hiding?
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
you can't hide from internet caches, "grimes"
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
It seems weird to delete your whole Tumblr just because someone publishes your intelligent points at length and in context but then she's smart, intense and volatile so I guess it fits.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
I think she did because people were being dicks
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, I thought she wrote it in response to people being dicks about her EOY list.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
afaik people never stop being dicks.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it's fair game for her to take it down. it sucks for the rest of us, but clearly many people on the Internet are massive dicks who think we don't deserve intelligent discourse.
― ron paulstretch (crüt), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
the only rule is don't be a dick
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
too many dicks
― Moodles, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
xposts. four "dicks" posts in a row. sorry for the gendered language.
xposts again.
― ron paulstretch (crüt), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
dicks will never stop being dicks on the internet
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
mydickband
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
Her EOY list contained Bieber, massive dick attractor.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
i was listening to 'visions' this morning on the turntable, my kid was going back and forth from speaker to speaker laying his hands on the sound vibrations. he loves it.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
my 2yo daughter likes it too but the one song that starts with a loud robot voice scares her
― dmr, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
It freaked me out a bit too at first, if I wasn't expecting it.
What was the actual list?
― Tim F, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
Feel a bit sketchy posting this when she's taken it down, but what the hell it's only a list:
best songs of 2012Psy - Gangnam StyleMajor Lazer - get freeLana Del Rey - ride, National Anthem, Summertime SadnessUsher - ClimaxBieber - beauty and a beatCarly rae - call me maybeHaim - foreverTaylor Swift - TroubleKitty Pryde - okay cupiddid anything else really good come out in 2012?————————————————-OKAY i totally forgot about julia holter — i think four gardens is just an incredible song and the first version of goddess eyes. Also doldrums… altho maybe that record isn’t out also what that was by majical cloudz. <3also i just want to say i love the swans record, but there obviously aren’t ‘singles’ haha.
Psy - Gangnam Style
Major Lazer - get free
Lana Del Rey - ride, National Anthem, Summertime Sadness
Usher - Climax
Bieber - beauty and a beat
Carly rae - call me maybe
Haim - forever
Taylor Swift - Trouble
Kitty Pryde - okay cupid
did anything else really good come out in 2012?
————————————————-
OKAY i totally forgot about julia holter — i think four gardens is just an incredible song and the first version of goddess eyes.
Also doldrums… altho maybe that record isn’t out
also what that was by majical cloudz. <3
also i just want to say i love the swans record, but there obviously aren’t ‘singles’ haha.
― eskimo table (seandalai), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
Good list. People are dicks.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
I suppose you could read "did anything else really good come out in 2012?" as an invitation to troll, although she may well have meant it as a genuine q to her fans.
She is right about "Four Gardens", although now I've seen it performed live with drum & bass interludes I wish Julia would release an expanded/updated version.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
she chose the wrong bieber single!
still don't fully get why the only excellent thing she's done caused such delete-my-tumblr drama
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 08:08 (eleven years ago) link
obv the people who were being dicks to her need to be shot
Ignore the trolls is something all post-internet musicians need to learn.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 February 2013 13:47 (eleven years ago) link
LOL at Tumblr drama. Is Grimes still in high school?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
actually she appears to be one of the few who isn't
― r|t|c, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
ageists
― dog latin, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
i reassert what i said on the poll thread, that grimes seems a prime WKIW candidate or dinner party invitee, despite her own music being so irritating
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, she seems great. Why is she wasting time on tumblr or whatever? Step away from the computer, Grimes.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
she wasn't wasting her time, she posted a pretty good EOY list and a great defence of it. better than the music she makes when she's not fucking around online.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, but she seems really sensitive to run of the mill online buffoonery (unlike, say, you, or many of us here). Ergo, step away from the computer, Grimes. Your year-end list was neither interesting nor controversial enough to warrant the drama.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
erm when someone is the victim of people being dicks the people to criticise are the dicks not the victim
if grimes wishes to enjoy herself online why shouldn't she? people shouldn't fucking harass her.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
It's pretty implicit that the dicks are dicks. That's why they're called dicks. Doesn't mean the dicks will go away, ever. 98% of internet traffic is due or dedicated to dicks.
Of course Grimes can do whatever she wants. Also, people will fucking harass her.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
maybe if people were less accepting of dicks being dicks and awful harassment occurring, it would be harder for those people to continue doing it
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
Wouldn't that be great.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
lolling at the irony
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
Aware of irony and it is still funny.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
;) anyway, I like this move, good for Grimes
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
I came in pretty late to the whole Grimes & friends tumblr diaspora late last year and really enjoyed reading and seeing what she'd post. I think she uses tumblr, and the web in general, as more of a learning and artistic tool to communicate and tease out ideas in a way that I envy. I mean, if it's a waste of time, is making music a waste of time, too? Because in work that's mostly a solo effort, there's a pretty strong extension of personality and whatever you're doing to elaborate on and extend that personality is relevant to your art, let alone personal life.
Wiping the slate clean is completely her prerogative, though, and I think there's no harm there. If anything, that's just another form of expression.
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
on a quick side-note: flamboyant goon tie, is your ilx account wired up to an email account you use? I might send you a message, I think you are going to be in my general neighborhood in a couple months.
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
yes it is, go for it
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
Your year-end list was neither interesting nor controversial enough to warrant the drama.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:19 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think this is missing the point rather neatly
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
to be honest, I'm just making trouble. I haven't been following this. But I do think the Internet is funny.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
*shoes you away with broom*
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
That list isn't really that bad at all.
Now if she was repping for fellow Canadian Shawn Desman, then I would be questioning her sanity.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
Hey now Shawn has done a lot of good things for people in this country
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
People shouldn't but they will. People harass on the internet, it is a fact. You can't stop it. Add to that the fact that people harass those that are in the public sphere to a far greater extent. Really the only thing to do is ignore it. Do you stop making music when you read a bad review of something you've done? No. You got to have faith in your own shit.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
Hm I don't really have enough investment in this to go out on a limb to fully elucidate why I disagree with what you just posted, Adam, but the basic gist of my disagreement is that you're asking Grimes-the-person to exist in an emotional vacuum, to isolate herself from the internet-as-dialogue. I can't really put words in her mouth or the mouth of her conspirators, but my takeaway from her and her crew has been that they deliberately seek to maintain a position of mutual respect and dialogue between audience, critical complex and self. I loved, for example, that she smilingly and apologetically admitted to making Visions in Garageband. Although the aesthetic appeal of artists-who-don't-give-a-fuck is undeniable, her sensitivity to criticism and willingness to respond reads to me as self-respect.
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
She should chat with Amanda Palmer. There's a whole thread on ILX designed just to make fun of her and her dialogue with audience.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
I think you can respect yourself and your audience and still realize that trolls exist and they aren't your audience.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
my whole introduction to Grimes at some point in the past year was as some DIVISIVE ARTIST who some people apparently made a big deal of saying was overrated or untalented or whatever. i have very little firsthand exposure to that invective, and didn't feel very strongly either way about the couple most popular singles of hers that i've heard. but i guess she's getting a lot of aggression from somewhere, and i imagine whatever the pushback was on something as harmless as a defense of "Gangnam Style" must've just been the straw that broke the camel's back. seems kinda silly to have a site, with the same name you release records under, and then take umbrage when sites that praise your music quote it, but maybe she didn't get a lot of bile for that post until Pitchfork ran their story? i dunno, it's still rough out there for people straddling the indie/pop divide i guess.
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
actually, i suspect she is NOT getting "a lot of aggression". rather, that she has very thin skin.
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
That she writes and records all these songs herself and plays shows by herself is some cool stuff btw,
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i dunno! maybe she saw 2 derisive tweets and got upset, maybe a shitload of people sent her nasty personal emails, i really have no idea.
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
ppl are very nasty on the internet particularly towards women so i would give her the benefit of the doubt.
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
90% of the comments i saw on the gawker story about this were about her appearance and why gawker couldn't find a nicer picture of her to run with the post
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
I think it was with the sudden transformation of "a tumblr post" into "a Pitchfork headline", not necessarily trolls, who I feel she deals with gracefully.
Oh please don't let's mention AP in this thread I can't deal with that
I agree w Sean it's obvious she has a thin skin but shit who doesn't
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
That was an xp
It's an interesting thing with Grimes bc I'm not a #1 fan of the album "Visions" (this is hardly relevant and I love the singles) but I feel more compelled to defend her than many other artists and I'm not sure why, I don't think it's "Canadian" or "female" or "independent". Actually, maybe it is the independent part. And I love the live show. And the "Oblivion" video. Hm I dunno, I'm just extra "haters step off" about her. Maybe I just think she's cute, ew
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
Grimes isn't a part of ILX, just bcz she voices some opinions on music doesnt mean ppl are entitled to give her tons of shit
― Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
― markers, Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:19 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^she should've just re-posted this tbh
― Roz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
my 8yo daughter is super into the grimes LP and as far as independence goes yeah I think she's a pretty good role model
also temperamental artist deletes tumblr in temperamental fit of pique should be filed under things that could be an onion article, I don't get what the big deal is
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know that she's done anything that indicates she's being thin-skinned? She had a space where she could ruminate on ideas and post stuff she likes and interact with others and the context changed so she changed how she uses it.
This isn't like beyonce pulling beyonce.com off the internet or anything.
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
@ roz yeah that's pretty much the best post ever
I don't tumbl so I don't know if it's a thing, but is a "p.s. pls don't reblog this" message a thing that people do?
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:50 (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is a banging post
― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
I get lex's point that bullies shouldn't get a free pass but idk when somebody invents the delete troll horde button for the internet we'll let him push it first
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
I am basically super-uncomfortable whenever people get victim-blamey. And yes focusing on HER "thin skin" or saying SHE should modify her behaviour is victim-blaming. Also, dicks behave atrociously to even the most minor public figure and to musicians in every genre space; it's not about her indie/pop straddling.
Basically Grimes is not actually the problem here. I don't know whether internet dickishness can be stopped but at the very least if you're going to make even the tiniest effort to express an opinion on this matter, that's who you should be focusing on
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
I mean I know merely posting "people shouldn't be dicks" will not make it so, but...posting "people should just get a thicker skin" is not gonna make that so either. And only one of those things is actually shitty behaviour
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
ya seriously, i don't think it shows her being an oversensitive flower or anything. and I read her blog sometimes, get the sense that she and elite gymnastics' james get a lot of trolls hassling them all the time and they usually deal with it pretty well.
otoh some days, the internet is just too much and you just gotta delete yr blog/stop posting on ilx.
― Roz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
never
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
also I agree with lex, victim blamers need die in a fire after being shot at and then exterminated
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw, she's clarified that it was really about Pitchfork publishing her comments:
hey it’s claireSo I’m pretty new to this whole thing and I apologize if I behaved rashly or offended anyone.Despite the fact that I can be outspoken, I’m a very private person. I started that tumblr specifically to have a ‘non-official’ platform to voice my opinions. Obviously this was naive of me and i should have known how it would turn out. but i guess i just grew up on the internet and the internet is where i do things. its been intense to become a part of the content on the internet rather than just a passive observer.I definitely meant what I said concerning beyonce, psy etc. and I’ve put that post back up (below) because I dont want my words to be taken out of context. but i couldn’t handle my personal website becoming a content farm. My passive thoughts are not official statements. i just need to have a normal life right now. I’m trying to write my record and I’ve never tried to make art with so many people watching. I love writing, but this tumblr is making things hard concerning my record. I’ll start writing here again once I finished. I also just need to fully process having a ‘public life’. I haven’t parsed all this stuff yet and it’s been a real shock to the system. again, I apologize if I upset anyone or reacted immaturely. I’m simultaneously honoured that something I say could get so much attention. I’m just not quite used to it yet. <3xc
So I’m pretty new to this whole thing and I apologize if I behaved rashly or offended anyone.
Despite the fact that I can be outspoken, I’m a very private person.
I started that tumblr specifically to have a ‘non-official’ platform to voice my opinions. Obviously this was naive of me and i should have known how it would turn out. but i guess i just grew up on the internet and the internet is where i do things. its been intense to become a part of the content on the internet rather than just a passive observer.
I definitely meant what I said concerning beyonce, psy etc. and I’ve put that post back up (below) because I dont want my words to be taken out of context.
but i couldn’t handle my personal website becoming a content farm. My passive thoughts are not official statements.
i just need to have a normal life right now. I’m trying to write my record and I’ve never tried to make art with so many people watching. I love writing, but this tumblr is making things hard concerning my record.
I’ll start writing here again once I finished. I also just need to fully process having a ‘public life’. I haven’t parsed all this stuff yet and it’s been a real shock to the system.
again, I apologize if I upset anyone or reacted immaturely. I’m simultaneously honoured that something I say could get so much attention. I’m just not quite used to it yet. <3
x
c
― Roz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, February 7, 2013 1:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
then you'd blame them for bringing the fire on themselves, and then it would be your turn
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
Haha her hostility to content farming-as-journalism is another pt in her favour
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
My estimation of Grimes just hot up another 400% I think. This whole thing, as well as bringing up the rockism debate again, is interesting because of the idea of people 'watching' the creative process. With my own fledgling band we are toying with this idea - showing people the inner workings of our songs, often before they're recorded. Beatles Anthology before Love Me Do, of you will. While musicians have always had to cope with intrusion on their private lives, it's now difficult for even the more retiring artists who still want a 'normal' net presence to operate properly. If you use the net for creative inspiration, how do you stop it coming round to bite you in the arse?
― dog latin, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry about typos - iPhone shite
― dog latin, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
Grimes isn't a part of ILX
the word “rockism” is often used as critical shorthand for
Pretty close!
― badg, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
that was a good follow-up post she wrote.
my comment re "thin skinned" is from encounters with Claire irl!
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
it can be neutral but that phrase is generally seen as a negative and not very complimentary, though
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
she's had some rough shit in her life iirc + recent rape threats from trolls
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
but she's probably thin-skinned
I'd just like to add that EG James is one of my favourite musicians online
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
I just assumer Claire is sensitive/thin-skinned/whatever adjective you want to use for "has feelings", seeing as she's gone from playing to two people at SXSW to being the face of Versace in two years, it'd be a waste of meteoric success if she were aloof
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
I like how she's handling this, tbh, and deleting her tumblr page seems like an awesome great first step.
Re: blaming the victim, I totally get it. But I hesitate to call her a victim of anything serious (or unique, alas) enough to warrant invoking that word. It reminds me of the hit movie "Twister" - remember that one? - where people with cameras chase tornados, and then get stuck in tornados. Or "Jaws IV: The Revenge," where Mrs. Brody sees the shark, takes a boat out into the open sea to follow it, and then is relentlessly attacked by the shark. The internet is full of twisters and sharks and dicks and trolls. They seem to be attracted to public or semi-public figures like ants (those assholes!) to picnics. I should say that in no way does she seem thin skinned in this affair at all. She's just figuring out how to deal with it. But to claim a public website or whatever is somehow such an essential component of her music making abilities or creativity is to undersell/undervalue those very things. It may be a parallel creative component or outlet or whatever, but she does not need it, so good for her for recognizing that a break is in order.
Still find it hilarious that anyone (and in this case I guess I mean the people saying mean things about her?) would be so reactionary about Grimes liking Psy or Beyonce or Mariah Carey.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Thursday, February 7, 2013 1:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^^
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ josh being all, i'm not gonna blame the victim *blames victim*
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
also, i don't know the exact nature of what people have been saying to grimes this week, but if it's even 1/100th of what any woman with a moderate public profile receives as a matter of course NO ONE should be throwing around an adjective like "thin-skinned"
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
"she's not much of a victim of anything, she's like those people who were killed in tornadoes! not victims of anything, those guys"
― lex pretend, Thursday, February 7, 2013 2:50 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^ that's what im saying
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
josh how grimes handles this is literally irrelevant, she can handle it exactly as she pleases and how she feels would be best for her
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
yeah see i suspect grimes to get to the point she is at, hugely acclaimed artist, doing it by herself, dealing with people who clearly didn't believe she could do it along the way...i suspect toughness is not her problem. but little things do build up over time and people get pissed and sometimes, amazingly, delete their blogs.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
even if she's very easily offended or prone to overreacting in real life, I see absolutely no evidence of that here and I honestly wish I was nearly as contemplative in my reactions and thoughts. and I don't even have anyone hounding me or caring what I think.
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
not that this isn't part of real life!
really wish I hadn't actually seen her list
― ron paulstretch (crüt), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
No, I insist she take my advice. Do you have a way I can contact her? I know what's best for her.
Seriously, I think this whole thing transcends blame the victim. I feel like we're all victimized by this stuff all the time, in a sense. If someone told me when I was little that one of my favorite artists would not only have a portal that provided a direct link but would actively encourage free (in every sense) communication, I would not have believed you. If someone then said such a thing would be ruined by assholes writing in hateful and hurtful shit just because it's easy and anonymous, young me would have asked why the fuck anyone would do that? It makes me sad. Sort of recalls the ground zero of this sort of thing, of Bob Dylan trying to live a normal public life, and that getting fucked up by psycho fans going through his mail, dropping in on him at home, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
it's true. you are actually the victim in this situation.
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
I think I'm going to blog about it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
Josh I don't agree with what you're saying but I do think you're expressing a globally accepted consensus opinion about people in the public eye, "you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen". I think it's nonsense but here I am also expressing opinions online about public figures
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's possible to disagree strongly in the abstract, but reality dictates this shit will never go away. Internet comments are the least of it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
cannot stand the "bad thing [x] will never go away so we should just accept & tolerate it" mindset
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, me neither.Lex, let's you and I get together to make sure this kind of thing never happens again.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
the best I can do is not do that s*** myself, and teach my kids not to do it either.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
Android, taking the first step by censoring my writing.
I mean, that stuff thousands of people have to go through on a daily basis via via the Internet infuriates me, but I honestly don't know what the solution is.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
I'm honestly scared s******* at what my daughters will have to go through in just a few years. but short of cutting them off from the internet I'm not sure what I can do.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
this situation seems to me an example of somebody making the inevitable just that much easier. unfortunately.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
lmao does android actually censor when you type the wort shit
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
It does! Sometimes. When I do it by voice.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
There is the part where she isn't actually sure that blogging is helpful to what she does, it feels like she was thinking about closing the tumblr and that the trolling was the final straw.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
5*** 3*** 7*** 1*** exp **/13
omg android is amazing
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
lex be honest how many people have you sent death threats to for having "Gangnam Style" on their EOY list
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
all of them, twice -_-
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
uh not the trolling, but because her posts were being used in a way she didn't intend them to be. which is a perfectly valid reason to delete one's blog imo.
xposts lmao lex
― Roz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
man, if only there was a place on the web where I could interact as just a fellow human being with musicians who have had critically acclaimed work
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
Wait, are you saying we should invite Grimes to 77
― how's life, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
we're... not on 77 right now
* mind blown *
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
oh man, I don't know why I said that. I hope Grimes googlers don't start coming around and asking questions.
― how's life, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
they seem to have calmed down, the Ned googlers haven't tried setting up any shrines for him on ILE for a few years
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
beyonce posted here as dom passantino for years before she was banned
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
Been thinking earlier today that Grimes would fit in pretty well here between being amazing.
― eskimo table (seandalai), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
wkiw claire
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
yep
― markers, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
Not sure who is arguing for her playing the victim but either there are plenty of strawmen here or some words have been misunderstood. I was just trying to tell her what i would tell any stranger, friend, or family member to do about internet trolls: ignore them. There is no magic internet troll b gone button....yet.
It's kind of a mute issue now that she's taken it down. Personal webspace turning into office public space is a tough thing to deal with I imagine. If you're recording and playing shows and all it's much easier to just tune it out and focus on what's important at the moment.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
And then we can look forward to seeing more posts turned into pitchfork headlines
― Moodles, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
Xpost
she could post as "underrated beyonce singles i have blogged"
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:54 (eleven years ago) link
She won't show up if you keep saying nice things about her
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago) link
"flamboyant pussy ring included"
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:58 (eleven years ago) link
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Friday, 8 February 2013 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
whooooa Tim!
― mh, Friday, 8 February 2013 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
...there's a vision.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2013 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
Local band/AmRep types Supernova once threatened to write a song about me called "My Name is Ned," while my friend Grady in Chicago wants to do the same. I say bring it on. FEED MY EGO!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:00 PM (11 years ago)
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 8 February 2013 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
And? DID YOU?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2013 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
full disclosure: today is the first time I've actually felt compelled to give Visions a listen
― Drugs A. Money, Friday, 8 February 2013 06:02 (eleven years ago) link
better late than never
― markers, Friday, 8 February 2013 06:49 (eleven years ago) link
hey it’s claire
I've had a really hard time with all of this but if it means that Drugs A Money has finally listened to my album Visions then i guess it's all been worth it.
xc
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/44487022558
― markers, Sunday, 3 March 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Sunday, 3 March 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
Amazon is bad for people prone to options paralysis
― markers, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
woops -- that's part of someone else's post that i was responding to by modifying on 77.
― markers, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
here's what i mean to post here: http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/44867177213/tried-to-read-the-news-depressed-meticulously
― markers, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
awww
― hurricane weather (forapper), Saturday, 9 March 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/45754437785
― markers, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
Seems like Grimes enjoys herself a good cat gif. She's not so unlike the rest of us after all!
― Moodles, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/f52224558bd00ce9b163b57ecaa988dd/tumblr_mjo6uhe6Ys1s3k2bro1_250.gif
i have a blood feud with senorgif, who has never acknowledged my existence. (senor gif likes to steal gifs from people, without attribution, put his own watermark on them, and then post them to wider fame and glory on the icanhazcheezburger network.)
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
so they're the ebaumsworld of 2013, those assholes
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
btw, on a grimes related note, i listened to Visions very loudly again two nights ago, and it's still so great. blows my mind that some people can't pick out the melodies. "Vowels = Space and Time", for example, is practically like earlyish madonna
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
xpost yeah. what irked me is that i wrote him a very polite message, asking if he could please include a link to my website because i was a fledgling tumblrer with about 20 followers at the time. no response.
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/319630110389059584
― markers, Thursday, 4 April 2013 03:58 (ten years ago) link
lol @ eating paint. but mostly I just wanted to revive this thread to meaninglessly praise the album, which is my favorite album of the past few years... so pleasurable on an immediate level, yet still "layered" enough to reward repeat listenings. also, for me, there is a very addictive sense of "spaciousness" to the sound of the thing: the ethereal vocals seem to "hover" far above the dancey bass and percussion of the instrumentals. the only album in my collection i think i've played more often is exile on main street.
― severely depressed robots are "twee" (Pat Finn), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 22:29 (ten years ago) link
For me it's the gaggle of Grimeses chattering out each line, and the run from Crystal Ball (track 5) through Symphonia IX (8). Really captures that late-night euphoric feeling.
― hurricane weather (forapper), Thursday, 11 April 2013 10:25 (ten years ago) link
Oh yeah, I think Vowels = Space and Time is within that stretch of tracks, and that is my number one most played song on itunes. That song especially, but many of the others too, has an R&B "warmth" to it that I think is really captivating, and somewhat unexpected among the other sounds in her toolkit. But yeah, I do agree with you that there is something very nocturnal about the sound of this album, and even "depersonalized" in the way darkness/sleep/danceclubs can be, but the album is still...somehow... i guess the word is "intimate", and very personal. I guess I can tell this is a personal album, or at least one that is personally meaningful to me, because Grimes is one of the few artists where I get bummed out when I hear her criticized.
― severely depressed robots are "twee" (Pat Finn), Thursday, 11 April 2013 16:12 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/katyperry/status/323603970801139713
― markers, Monday, 15 April 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link
sweet.
― Pat Finn, Monday, 15 April 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link
adorbies
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
i mean, katy perry is otm. grimes is super endearing.
― Pat Finn, Monday, 15 April 2013 03:10 (ten years ago) link
'adorbies'? fucking hell i hate this world. embarrassing.
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 15 April 2013 09:15 (ten years ago) link
it's an apt word for grimes tbh
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Monday, 15 April 2013 09:17 (ten years ago) link
just let my love adorbz u
― r|t|c, Monday, 15 April 2013 09:39 (ten years ago) link
perhaps, but isn't it a little undignified to see an adult use that kind of work?
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 15 April 2013 10:18 (ten years ago) link
I don't think lex disagrees with you
― Tim F, Monday, 15 April 2013 10:20 (ten years ago) link
yes that's what i was getting at
it's a horrible word that makes my skin crawl and is entirely appropriate in this case
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Monday, 15 April 2013 10:20 (ten years ago) link
Quiet lol at the slow transition from indifferent to "makes my skin crawl".
― Tim F, Monday, 15 April 2013 10:23 (ten years ago) link
the dignity of katy perry
― r|t|c, Monday, 15 April 2013 10:57 (ten years ago) link
By E.L. James.
― Tim F, Monday, 15 April 2013 11:01 (ten years ago) link
― r|t|c, Monday, April 15, 2013 5:39 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
race to see who comes up wtih the first adorn / dr. morbius dn
― 乒乓, Monday, 15 April 2013 12:27 (ten years ago) link
dammit, was coming here to post "adorbius" in response to lex's grousing
anyway, you can hardly fault katy's use of the word. language very much in character.
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 12:30 (ten years ago) link
yeah, adorbies is a gross word. also it's sort of condescending to call grimes "adorable", i feel like, maybe, even though she is.
― Pat Finn, Monday, 15 April 2013 13:15 (ten years ago) link
definitely something that needs a lot more analysis, i think we can all agree on that
― zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:15 (ten years ago) link
I need further evidence, maybe a video clip of ms. perry dancing to grimes' set
― I, rrational (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:20 (ten years ago) link
lactating forth the lyrics to oblivion in letters of flame
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:24 (ten years ago) link
you saw that katy perry video where fireworks shoot out of her breasts too, huh?
― I, rrational (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:40 (ten years ago) link
damn, you're on a roll today, huh?
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 14:03 (ten years ago) link
going for the brass zing and shit. adorbies.
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link
Adorbies: sometimes you don't even have to say a (real) word to enrage thousands
― Drugs A. Money, Monday, 15 April 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
now you've done it
― Dr. Adorbius (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:26 (ten years ago) link
anyone else notice "right meow" replacing "right now" w/ young women on the internet or is that just my friends
― ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 15 April 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
real people don't say that
― markers, Monday, 15 April 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
isn't that from Super Troopers or something?
― how's life, Monday, 15 April 2013 19:02 (ten years ago) link
yup!
― Dr. Adorbius (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 19:08 (ten years ago) link
Adorbies is less condescending than adorable because it has ironic distance baked in
― hurricane weather (forapper), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:17 (ten years ago) link
"right meow" is totes adorblez
― Moodles, Monday, 15 April 2013 21:58 (ten years ago) link
and by "adorblez" you mean revolting, i assume
― Pat Finn, Monday, 15 April 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link
I'll let you make that call
― Moodles, Monday, 15 April 2013 22:00 (ten years ago) link
Oblivion worked great for my morning running today
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 01:18 (ten years ago) link
i think the songs "vanessa" and "crystal ball" from darkbloom, the collaborative album she did with d'Eon, would be ideal for running. this is just speculation though because i don't really exercise.
― authentically inauthentic (Pat Finn), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link
oh come on
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 03:49 (ten years ago) link
irl lol though
:-)
― authentically inauthentic (Pat Finn), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 04:02 (ten years ago) link
hah Right Meow! Quick, someone do a Van Halen/Internet cats mashup
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 13:22 (ten years ago) link
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/48744769552/i-dont-want-to-have-to-compromise-my-morals-in-order
― the kind of man who best draws girls' eyeballs (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 10:09 (ten years ago) link
everything she writes on her tumblr is awesome and makes me wish i could stand her music
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 10:32 (ten years ago) link
Man, she's a hero.
― how's life, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 10:45 (ten years ago) link
!
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 11:27 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I hope that lots and lots of people are listening to her and thinking about what she's saying.
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:34 (ten years ago) link
i love her so much
― monotony, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:45 (ten years ago) link
she's just the best.
― Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:56 (ten years ago) link
i dont want to be molested at shows or on the street by people who perceive me as an object that exists for their personal satisfaction
just for everyone who is expressing concern about a few things that weren’t super clear in my last tumblr post:a) meeting fans is actually incredibly rewarding for me so im gonna keep doing that and if u see me on the street its like, totally fine to say hi :)
a) meeting fans is actually incredibly rewarding for me so im gonna keep doing that and if u see me on the street its like, totally fine to say hi :)
do these reconcile?
― rather ugged man (zvookster), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:58 (ten years ago) link
― Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:58 (ten years ago) link
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:32 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm!!!
― the Upperchest (crüt), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:59 (ten years ago) link
i think her music is great and the fact that she is actually cool is just a bonus
― Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:02 (ten years ago) link
i didn't know anything about her when i first heard visions
― rather ugged man (zvookster), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 08:58 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 08:58 (2 minutes ago)
^just the sort of person i'd worry aboout
― rather ugged man (zvookster), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:03 (ten years ago) link
happy to read this one http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/47434876685/u-know-i-just-want-to-apologize-for-ever-wearing
― rather ugged man (zvookster), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:06 (ten years ago) link
dude, if she is sitting next to you on a plane, or in front of you on line for qdoba or wherever grimes eats feel free to say "hi, i'm zvookster. you're claire, right?" but if she looks busy don't run up and ambush her and make her day weird. the distinction seems obvious.
― Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:11 (ten years ago) link
That intro line does sound a bit weirder than simply saying "hey I appreciate your work
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:13 (ten years ago) link
I also read the word "molested" here as meaning specifically inappropriate physical contact.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:14 (ten years ago) link
My cheerleading for Visions was def mitigated by a love of her live show and personal outlook
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link
wait they made you mitigate your cheerleading?
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link
Sorry, no antonyms for mitigate can be found
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:22 (ten years ago) link
magnified? enhanced? driven?
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:24 (ten years ago) link
no DJP. sometimes there is no other option than saying the oppoiste of what you mean and praying your message will get across
― Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:25 (ten years ago) link
xpost justified
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:25 (ten years ago) link
I often feel like adopting this as a personal mantra
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link
Op-Poiste
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
I misused the word "mitigate", but I think I subconsciously chose that word because I was hoping to imply that my opinion of "Visions" today was considerably less vociferous than it was a year ago
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:35 (ten years ago) link
or perhaps you never mitigate you didn't enter
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:36 (ten years ago) link
pretty big difference between "hey, I saw your show last week, it was great!" and "OMG GRIMES YOU ARE SO CUTE CAN I GET A PICTURE WITH YOU?" *drapes arm around her shoulder*
― Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
I'm curious why would anyone be offended by a bindi? Some are pretty nice.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
cries of cultural appropriation, I'd think
― Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link
Everything we wear and do is appropriated from somewhere. The idea of exclusive ownership of cultural symbols is kinda offensive too.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:25 (ten years ago) link
god some of yall are dumb
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link
what do you think of that dude at coachella wearing a faux-native american headdress?
― Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link
well sanpaku is a super-rational-bordering-on-savantism dude so i wouldn't really have expected better
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
* shrugs *
― Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
The idea of exclusive ownership of cultural symbols is kinda offensive too
white privilege in a nutshell innit
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link
Look, we've had 10s of 1000s of generations of tribal warfare based in part on cultural identifiers like this. I just think the sooner we drop the idea that these things are exclusively owned and building fences between tribes the better off we'll all be.
The white guy with dreads isn't mocking or stealing from the rasta, he's just paying homage and looking a bit silly.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
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― 乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:37 (ten years ago) link
Grimes is, except for maybe Pynchon, probably the single public figure of some note that I most wished posted on here
― Drugs A. Money, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link
Um, 'wished' shouldn't be past tense
i'm not sure what's so amazing about her latest tumblr post? i mean i understand and sympathize with what she's saying, it just doesn't sound particularly remarkable to mr
― the late great, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
to me, i meant
mr. the late great
― how's life, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I think it's slightly sad that they're seen as revolutionary and SO amazing etc - it should be obvious and taken for granted! - but she's right and unfortunately in our present cultural moment it needs to be said
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
I also read the word "molested" here as meaning specifically inappropriate physical contact.― Moodles, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:14
― Moodles, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:14
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/326888946023923712
― markers, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
so it's because she's famous? feel like my female friends (musicians and non-musicians) have all expressed similar sentiments, usually w better grammar and punctuation.
maybe i should drop this line of inquiry, i'm going to sound like i'm hating on grimes when really i don't mind her at all
― the late great, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link
i guess as lex says these things need to be said by more famous people so no reason to look too deeply into why this particular blog post resonated
― the late great, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
there you go
― how's life, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:44 (ten years ago) link
Yep. Her message stands out because her message reaches eat more people than your musician and non-musician friends, and because most well-known musicians have nothing useful to say
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link
true dat
― the late great, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link
okay someone needs to stop her before her messages eat more poor unsuspecting people
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
yeah her being famous plays a part, this is obvious, we really don't need to "look deeply" into why people are linking to this instead of tlg's mates
― what's the crime, mr rolf? (wins), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link
I think we all need to "look deeply" at each other on this thread.
*looks*
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:09 (ten years ago) link
grammar and punctuation just don't have the cache they used to xp
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:10 (ten years ago) link
yeah I dont know what ahppened
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
clicked on thread thinking 'this is ilx, not all 50 new posts will be high fiving over how badass that tumblr post was' but is it e'en so ilx is it e'en so
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:17 (ten years ago) link
It was a badass tumblr post hoos.
― how's life, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2cpq1vecn1rttrtuo1_400.gif
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link
<3 tina, <3 grimes, <3 magic high 5
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:23 (ten years ago) link
it's a good day to be alive
Can we go back to the bindi thing for a second?
Does no one else think it's semi-problematic that she is not allowed to wear something that has morphed into something of a fashion statement even though she grew up in a household with family members from the originating culture? Like, shouldn't the connections in her own family to the culture surrounding bindis trump anonymous people getting huffy on the Internet?
I mean, I am not criticizing her desire not to offend anyone but this seems like something where the people getting mad should maybe find out something about her first?
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:45 (ten years ago) link
yeah that's kinda how I feel too but it's a very gray area to be sure
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:47 (ten years ago) link
Our mutaween has extensive training in taking offence, and knowing which cultural appropriations, and which directions of cultural appropriation, are appropriate.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
oh fuck off
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
Sort of seems like she's getting more and more famous, now she's a target for the .001% of people that would genuinely get upset at this, and the .001% of people that fake being upset at it for pageviews.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
adam i'm glad you're tireless at ferretting out people's true intentions on the internet, we need more people like you, keep tumblr honest gj
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
"and from then on, 4/25 became celebrated as 'Dayo Go Ham Day'"
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:58 (ten years ago) link
Pretty much in every cultural context: culinary, music, clothing, language, etc. cultural cross-fertilization is IMO a very good thing. Our lives are enriched by it. Part of post-colonialism is seeing memes (Dawkin sense) from former colonies return and conquer the former colonial powers.
The bindi isn't just a religious symbol, its also a philosophical one, and also just plain decorative, and has been appropriated through a span of territories from Persia through Tibet and onto Korea, in places divorced from original context in the subcontinent.
As far as I'm concerned, poor Grimes was beset by some trust-fund cultural studies majors. And in like fashion, bit by bit, our lives become less rich.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link
乒乓 is doing the people's work
― mh, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:06 (ten years ago) link
also, Grimes is in MTL afaik and there is a lot of reasonable historical baggage about cultural repression and appropriation in the culture there by nature
― mh, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link
Grimes could have helped heal those wounds.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:12 (ten years ago) link
wow i feel like i have my first ilx troll im so honored
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:14 (ten years ago) link
DJP otm
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
If you want to fight the 'cultural appropriation' fight, I don't mind. However, I don't think Grimes is the most revelant target.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
no one wants to fight that, literally no one
― mh, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓,
^ just can't see past colour imo
― The Finnish Question........after question......after question....a (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
the only colour i see is green
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link
how many shades
― The Finnish Question........after question......after question....a (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link
50, bad boy ;)
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link
you guys are micrometers away from horrible Kermit/Ms Piggy S&M pr0n; tread lightly
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:04 (ten years ago) link
everyone please apologize for your posts
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:04 (ten years ago) link
the true villain btw is gwen stefani
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjxtq6JhWHo
my refs are clear, as is my conscience
― The Finnish Question........after question......after question....a (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
your browser cache, tho...
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link
good call, just cleared it
― The Finnish Question........after question......after question....a (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
I don't care if you're green, green, green, or...
― supermassive pot hole (seandalai), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
gwem stefani has done a lot for this town
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 25 April 2013 19:20 (ten years ago) link
tumblr post now up on Salon
― Moodles, Friday, 26 April 2013 01:25 (ten years ago) link
can't wait to read the comments. first one i see:
i am a narcissistic screwball
i am neither as hot nor as important as i think i am
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 26 April 2013 02:11 (ten years ago) link
while we're there:
A “Bones” star’s controversial vegan pregnancy
http://media.salon.com/2011/07/a-460x307.jpg
― contenderizer, Friday, 26 April 2013 02:31 (ten years ago) link
ah sweet salon
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 26 April 2013 04:39 (ten years ago) link
one particular user commenting on the article is clearly literally insane.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 26 April 2013 05:03 (ten years ago) link
stop jonny stop
― you say potatooles (onimo), Friday, 26 April 2013 13:33 (ten years ago) link
jesus christ
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, 26 April 2013 13:46 (ten years ago) link
I Googled him and found his twitter. Then I stepped away.
― you say potatooles (onimo), Friday, 26 April 2013 14:43 (ten years ago) link
http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=w-ApBFuwe5E&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3F%26v%3Dw-ApBFuwe5E
― Gukbe, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:54 (ten years ago) link
people should be talking about this too
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/48892942928
― markers, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
i also just wanna say that I love adult cat finder
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, April 26, 2013 1:03 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark
i thought this guy was that other person that sometimes posts here
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ApBFuwe5E
― markers, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, that's better.
― Gukbe, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
good commercial, but a little weird that it's for Vampire Weekend and not Grimes
― Moodles, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
also, I think I like her tumblr better than her album
― Moodles, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link
she REALLY looks like winona ca. beetlejuice there. which is to say: yowza.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:42 (ten years ago) link
she is tired of creeps like you yowzaing at her on the internet
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link
i retract my yowza
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 26 April 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link
the most noble of yowza retractions.
― the kind of man who best draws girls' eyeballs (Merdeyeux), Friday, 26 April 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link
mr. elite gynmastics is here companion in the that clip
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link
comedy.
― ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:19 (ten years ago) link
jesus vampire weekend is so boring i don't blame grimes for dodging that party
― Pat Finn, Saturday, 27 April 2013 02:41 (ten years ago) link
TELL me about it
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Saturday, 27 April 2013 02:46 (ten years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, April 26, 2013 9:23 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
amazing post
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 April 2013 05:13 (ten years ago) link
seeing that advert with the elite gymnastics dude is weird cos he once wrote a tumblr post about me lol
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Sunday, 28 April 2013 12:47 (ten years ago) link
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/49046769999/for-the-record-if-i-hadnt-been-instructed-to
― markers, Sunday, 28 April 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
"well, he likes vampire weekend, but, um..."
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Sunday, 28 April 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
i would go to an easter party if grimes and steve buscemi were in attendance, even if vampire weekend was also there
― Pat Finn, Sunday, 28 April 2013 23:45 (ten years ago) link
hanging out in a park with grimes talking about why you wouldnt go to parties sounds even more fun
― ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 29 April 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majyzvGMHr1rwhgmzo1_500.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majyzvGMHr1rwhgmzo1_500.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majyzvGMHr1rwhgmzo1_500.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majyzvGMHr1rwhgmzo1_500.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majyzvGMHr1rwhgmzo1_500.gif
― markers, Monday, 29 April 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link
all those zingers directed at VW.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 29 April 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
deer otm
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 29 April 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link
just noticed this. it must be new
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/heroes
― markers, Saturday, 4 May 2013 02:29 (ten years ago) link
interesting list. if i were her i wouldn't have put nietzsche on the top, much as i love reading him, because it makes it seem like she might be a megalomaniac. the people i've known who were REALLY into nietzsche didn't seem as chill as grimes
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Saturday, 4 May 2013 02:35 (ten years ago) link
Hype Williams :(
― Gukbe, Saturday, 4 May 2013 02:36 (ten years ago) link
which one
― mh, Saturday, 4 May 2013 03:44 (ten years ago) link
oh right
― Gukbe, Saturday, 4 May 2013 03:47 (ten years ago) link
Lol @ "Khaleesi"
― Tim F, Saturday, 4 May 2013 04:27 (ten years ago) link
nietzsche on top is super cool, esp alongside the rest of the list. ian mackaye is the one that'd i'd be wary of
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 4 May 2013 04:43 (ten years ago) link
like grimes, he's guilty of being white
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 May 2013 06:11 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejizOV-IQEM
― Moodles, Saturday, 4 May 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link
why would you be wary of ian mackaye?
― jay-z's ansari (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2013 12:55 (ten years ago) link
So annoying contenderizer, ppl need to realize that ian has been the guy from fugazi not the guy from minor threat for 2+ decades
― jay-z's ansari (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2013 12:57 (ten years ago) link
Actually w Treeship here
― we don't take any requests (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 4 May 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link
ian mackaye was a dick to nardwuar, nuff said
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 4 May 2013 14:17 (ten years ago) link
Nardwar is known to those guys and his schtick used to be more aggressive/annoying back in the day so yeah old hardcore scenesters aren't really going to react to him like the internets adorable weirdo...his old clips are trying to antagonize ppl
I mean I like him now more but you see the same reaction with rollins
― jay-z's ansari (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2013 15:18 (ten years ago) link
narduwar is a treasure.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Saturday, 4 May 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
vowels = space and time is so beautiful
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 4 May 2013 19:19 (ten years ago) link
So annoying contenderizer, ppl need to realize that ian has been the guy from fugazi not the guy from minor threat for 2+ decadesp
joeks?
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 May 2013 19:24 (ten years ago) link
I agree with spazzmatazz.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Saturday, 4 May 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
she will be a legend
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 5 May 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link
so does she not do vowels = space and time live? :(
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 6 May 2013 05:27 (ten years ago) link
Sadly, no. I put it on at a party last year and some kid asked me if it was new Ciara...
I said yes.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 6 May 2013 06:36 (ten years ago) link
― dyl, Monday, 6 May 2013 06:46 (ten years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/promo_650/public/media/grimes-coachella-650.jpg
― markers, Monday, 13 May 2013 01:48 (ten years ago) link
<3
― Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 01:55 (ten years ago) link
E>_<3 - O -
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:12 (ten years ago) link
you know what i mean
lol i cannot decipher that
― Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 02:28 (ten years ago) link
They were supposed to be experimental heartshades
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:31 (ten years ago) link
in this photo, the artist flees a sea of camera dorks
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Monday, 13 May 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
hipster kokopelli
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 13 May 2013 04:52 (ten years ago) link
dorkslovetofotou (xp)
― Drugs A. Money, Monday, 13 May 2013 06:53 (ten years ago) link
I like this.
http://soundcloud.com/rookiemag/oblivion-katie-and-allison
― fffv, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 02:20 (ten years ago) link
wow, that's great. anyone heard the waxahatchee album? is it as good as this?
― monotony, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 14:26 (ten years ago) link
rad cover
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 14:44 (ten years ago) link
I really like the Waxahatchee album, but it doesn't really sound like that.
― monster_xero, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link
Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoDhmH66CoI
― monster_xero, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link
the swearin' album is closer to that sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo_gim_yl44
but what you're looking for is bad banana/p.s. eliot probably
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link
that cover is fucking atrocious
― ogmor, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
not been tricked into clicking on something that bad for a long time
http://24.media.tumblr.com/d9ec914b4ffcdb07cfddae4d8af34f00/tumblr_mn77ezqzdZ1r7z66ao1_400.jpg
― markers, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/337398387966111744
― markers, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
that's a whole lotta NAGL
― unfinest DN (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:00 (ten years ago) link
― ḉrut (crüt), Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
it's not her best look but tbh i think it works for her. i think she always seem really cool and positive and her existence makes me happy, generally.
― Treeship, Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:05 (ten years ago) link
except last night when she was tweeting about the heat pacers game and was rooting for the heat. wtf? who roots for the heat?
things like that tweet are what puts me on the Grimes bandwagon. her music less so. (not trying to knock her music or artistic vision or whatever)
― ḉrut (crüt), Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link
yeah i mean, her tweets in general are great. i love her music but as a person she seems very cool too which is a bonus
― Treeship, Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:42 (ten years ago) link
i dont really care much for her twitter or tumblr but i do like markers current shtick
― ʎqןıs (gr8080), Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link
She seems to be trying some kind of old lady dgaf swag in that photo
― Tim F, Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:46 (ten years ago) link
I think I'm infected with tumblrgeist cause just now my first impulse was to think "oh jeez don't you know how politically fraught it is to talk negatively about a person's appearance much less GRIMES you guys oh noooooo" even though I don't really agree with that thought.
― Dan I., Friday, 24 May 2013 05:15 (ten years ago) link
FYI I'm talking positively.
― Tim F, Friday, 24 May 2013 05:41 (ten years ago) link
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1247478
― markers, Sunday, 9 June 2013 23:58 (ten years ago) link
thanks for sharing that video of grimes wearing swag ass eye makeup
― Treeship, Monday, 10 June 2013 01:55 (ten years ago) link
http://twitter.com/grimezsz
― markers, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
dude, respect, but why did you link to grimes's whole damn twitter feed.
― how's life, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:44 (ten years ago) link
markers otm
― szarkasm (schlump), Monday, 8 July 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
dude, respect, but why did you link to grimes's whole damn twitter feed.― how's life, Monday, July 8, 2013 1:44 PM
― how's life, Monday, July 8, 2013 1:44 PM
ok
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/354045896775831552https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/354047226336641027https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/354123855666749444
― markers, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/elite_gz/status/355944952393498625https://twitter.com/elite_gz/status/355944999164182532https://twitter.com/elite_gz/status/355945171122257921
― markers, Saturday, 13 July 2013 15:31 (ten years ago) link
― Treeship, Saturday, 13 July 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
Oh Grimes, you scamp
― Moodles, Saturday, 13 July 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link
"it's ok i'm being feminist" is a great cover imo
― ogmor, Sunday, 14 July 2013 10:36 (ten years ago) link
http://deadgirlfriends.tumblr.com/post/55480893778
― markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
#dark
― Treeship, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
#zzzzz
― crüt, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
hey thanks for that
― markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link
i'll do the same the next time you post something
― markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link
aw. I'm sorry man. :( it's nothing personal I am just not on the grimes bus I guess. I will back off this thread.
― crüt, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
we will miss your rich and varied posts
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 July 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
damn
― crüt, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link
whoops that was an xp
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 July 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
WWGD?
― Z S, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/CharelGrimes
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
uoihaf, go fuck yourself
― markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
crut: <3
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/statuses/367675303562575872
― eris bueller (lukas), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
my wife swears by i knew you were trouble
― HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link
very challenging
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:06 (ten years ago) link
― HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
big up grimes for this :)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
Does it piss off all DJs?
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
that was pretty fun
"Trance in Philly @TranceInPhilly 27s@r_hertzler it's not appropriate.. Are you kidding me"
loool
― My god. Pure ideology. (ey), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
they wanted one kind of music... but they got another kind of music!!!
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link
Trance in Philly @TranceInPhilly 19m
I hope @richiehawtin never books you again. Horrible
Trance in Philly @TranceInPhilly 21m
.@Rosniel_ @TranceInNY @Melissaceee she's being EXTREMELY disrespectful IMO
Trance in Philly @TranceInPhilly 28m
Someone seriously needs to seriously kick her off the decks #brtv like this is ATROCIOUS. This is ENTER not top 40 radio cc: @Grimezsz
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
haha that's awesome
― balls, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
pretty meh on swift in general, esp since she lost that fake southern accent, but 'trouble's a ridiculously great track
― balls, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
haha at first i was like, come on, who is that actually going to upset
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link
me too. too much time on ilm.
― HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
― flopson, Thursday, 15 August 2013 00:20 (ten years ago) link
outside the ilm bubble i've found that a lot of people who are generally down with pop music still can't stomach taylor, f'n idiots.
― SKYLER FFS SKYLER SKYLER SKYLER (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 15 August 2013 02:17 (ten years ago) link
Swift is p boring
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
This is hilarious
http://thump.vice.com/words/grimes-boiler-room-dj-set-will-go-down-in-hisotry
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
To the guy with the ponytail who was staring deep into Grimes' iTunes while attempting to keep his infatuated small talk going and fumbling with a beer can—if you're reading this, I have three pieces of advice: First, ditch the scrunchie. That hasn't been okay since Sex and The City Season Three. Second, look out for cameras next time. You never know what will end up on the 'net. Third, don't try to hit on a DJ while they're DJing. No, not even a female DJ. They don't like that shit any more than anyone else. How the hell did that guy get into Richie's villa in the first place?
Nicolette Yim · Follow · University of Manchesterponytail guy is her boyfriend.Reply · 2 · Like · Follow Post · August 15 at 1:45pm
Biyi Ajibade · Follow · University of NottinghamPonytail guy is James Brookes (of Elite Gymnastics)Reply · 1 · Like · Follow Post · August 15 at 1:53pm
― Z S, Saturday, 17 August 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
getting my lols @ that in before jb crafts his frustratingly reasonable response
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
omg vengaboys
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Saturday, 17 August 2013 22:27 (ten years ago) link
lmao
― dyl, Saturday, 17 August 2013 23:26 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/pk0YLRH.jpg
https://twitter.com/yelyahwilliams/status/369284447931084800https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/369290902499373056https://twitter.com/yelyahwilliams/status/369292053840007168
― markers, Monday, 19 August 2013 02:59 (ten years ago) link
huge news
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 19 August 2013 04:49 (ten years ago) link
ok i love her for the boiler room thing tbh
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 19 August 2013 10:50 (ten years ago) link
Grimes, Faery Queen @Grimezsz 10hshout outs to all the people who tweet pictures of their cute dogs at me - it is much appreciated
― Z S, Monday, 19 August 2013 12:16 (ten years ago) link
'Electro fairy princess' hosts VMA red carpet.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:48 (ten years ago) link
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (1027 of them)
― i'm walter white btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link
a thread about a really popular new artist with a lot of posts, smh!!!
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:43 (ten years ago) link
what i hate is how i have to click on it and read it
― Z S, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:47 (ten years ago) link
tl;dc
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:52 (ten years ago) link
1k posts seems kinda low for ilm's #5 album of last year tbh
― some dude, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 22:14 (ten years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m95v3yxUfD1qb4lmho1_500.gif
― markers, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 22:42 (ten years ago) link
http://peggyorenstein.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/trolls-doll-red-hair.jpg
― #REV! (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:00 (ten years ago) link
omg @ all of these
http://pitchfork.com/news/52022-watch-grimes-co-host-the-mtv-video-music-awards-red-carpet-report-interview-kathleen-hanna/
― #REV! (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 26 August 2013 04:28 (ten years ago) link
Like Grimes getting all fangirly w/ all the rappers and asking Lil' Kim "is the mole real or do you draw it on?" and teling Busta Rhymes that "pinky rings are, like, really cool"
― #REV! (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 26 August 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
This Rachel Antonoff person is p awful though
― #REV! (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 26 August 2013 04:39 (ten years ago) link
those are reaally hard to watch
― I’m pissed off for greatness (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 26 August 2013 06:10 (ten years ago) link
hey, markers:http://instagram.com/p/ddo6naOzKi/
― mh, Monday, 26 August 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
Is there audio of the boiler room set?
― Spencer Chow, Monday, 26 August 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link
Is there video of the boiler room set?
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
afaik there was live audio/video but nothing archived :(
― mh, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:44 (ten years ago) link
they usually put everything up at some point
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
Feel this Jana Hunter/Nitsuh King Krule convo is v relevant to Grimes:http://lowerdens.tumblr.com/post/59565099322/last-week-i-wrote-a-review-of-the-new-king-krule
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link
thanks for that, I gotta say that I think Jana's followup to Nitsuh is extremely OTM regarding fame and its effects upon the standards an artist might or might not bring to bear upon their own work
― the tune was space, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link
Not sure if I should click on this or not:
http://pitchfork.com/news/52075-watch-franz-ferdinand-cover-grimes-oblivion/
I don't feel a high level of confidence that it would be a good idea.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:17 (ten years ago) link
You should do an exhaustive cost/benefit analysis first.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link
Sorry that was a stupid, needlessly snotty comment. I agree that that video looks bad.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:24 (ten years ago) link
Kinda reinstates how passé Franz Ferdinand are.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link
Alex Kapranos' complete lack of carnality and playfulness really reinforces how good Grimes is as a performer.
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:33 (ten years ago) link
huh i don't think most ppl would associate grimes quickly with carnality, would they? - & the song's about wondering when she's gonna stop being afraid of men as a result of an assault. maybe you're coming from the video "going into this masculine world that is associated with sexual assault, but presented as something really welcoming and nice" in her words. she's selling broadband with this track in ireland non-stop for the last two years -- it's like the theme song for a major service provider -- go figure.
― zvookster, Thursday, 29 August 2013 02:10 (ten years ago) link
carnal's the wrong word. i think boxedjoy meant to say "coolness".
― Treeship, Thursday, 29 August 2013 02:17 (ten years ago) link
carnality is kind of your own thing, not stuck connected to others, though? I get a little bit of body freedom off of Grimes' music.
― mh, Thursday, 29 August 2013 05:33 (ten years ago) link
It get a carnal feeling. Which is cool.
I had never realised it was about assault! Just about everything on Visions has mostly indecipherable lyrics to my ears, aside from fragments here and there. I've always found her vocal style very sensuous.
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 29 August 2013 09:23 (ten years ago) link
odd, cuz i've always heard it as disembodied, almost anti-physical
― IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Thursday, 29 August 2013 11:52 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/376803226713980928
― markers, Monday, 9 September 2013 01:20 (ten years ago) link
brad should especially click that
― markers, Monday, 9 September 2013 01:21 (ten years ago) link
went through a town called grimes last week, thought of markers
― is space noise (mh), Monday, 9 September 2013 01:22 (ten years ago) link
http://0.static.wix.com/media/3b8c90_56193201ebafa932a94907c64cf38a62.jpg_512
― markers, Monday, 9 September 2013 01:30 (ten years ago) link
she's selling broadband with this track in ireland non-stop for the last two years -- it's like the theme song for a major service provider -- go figure.
― zvookster, Thursday, 29 August 2013 02:10 (1 week ago) Permalink
― flopson, Monday, 9 September 2013 05:27 (ten years ago) link
Grimes reveals details of her rider
― Moodles, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 14:15 (ten years ago) link
i like the formal 'lol' at the end.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 14:25 (ten years ago) link
she's just the dickens
― pervilege as a meme (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
dying
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/390274761336438784
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:41 (ten years ago) link
just felt i should get in with that before markers did.
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:42 (ten years ago) link
he doesn't read this thread
― markers, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:42 (ten years ago) link
^^ fake markers
― beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:43 (ten years ago) link
29 second response time, slightly disappointing.
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:44 (ten years ago) link
evolving into a charmander
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
impossible
― fresh (crüt), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:23 (ten years ago) link
grimes>charmander>charmeleon>charizard
― Treeship, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:27 (ten years ago) link
treeship>markers>dayo
― velko, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:31 (ten years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meipg8l1ae1rsnq4mo1_250.gif
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:31 (ten years ago) link
lmao @ treeship>markers>dayo
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:54 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/394283365370564608
― (emphasis Treeship's) (Treeship), Sunday, 27 October 2013 02:34 (ten years ago) link
Kids these days, learnin' about all the great bands of the bygone aughts
― Moodles, Sunday, 27 October 2013 02:53 (ten years ago) link
I can never tell if she is trolling or like completely serious
― Stevie D(eux), Sunday, 27 October 2013 14:38 (ten years ago) link
i think both of those things are true
― (emphasis Treeship's) (Treeship), Sunday, 27 October 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
I was thinking it's been a very long time since her album was released. and no new music since then ?
I don't know why but I thought she would be the kind of artist who releases new tracks every now and then, spontaneously, online or else.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 28 October 2013 11:45 (ten years ago) link
she's been tweeting regularly about how she's been working on the album. said she's aiming for Q2 2014 iirc. i'd say it's taking so long because she's been touring pretty relentlessly.
― monotony, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:11 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, every picture she posts is like "this is what bathtubs look like in Singapore" or "picture of me meeting this artist at yet another festival" or "check out my goofy tour rider".
― how's life, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:15 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I thought the touring/enjoying notoriety aspect might be key.but still, nowadays, even on tour, I suppose it must be easy to make/record music, especiallly the way she seems to be working.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:21 (ten years ago) link
it's not like she needs to be in a studio with a producer, band, engineers, etc.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:22 (ten years ago) link
maybe she doesn't spend any time at all on music, maybe she just fucks around on tumblr for hours on end until she passes out
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Monday, 28 October 2013 13:24 (ten years ago) link
ahah. maybe !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:32 (ten years ago) link
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Monday, 28 October 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link
Signed with Roc Nation.
― mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 21:37 (ten years ago) link
how many cute animals were in that contract
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:24 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/BMFQWBl.jpg
― markers, Saturday, 25 January 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
Wut
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 25 January 2014 22:57 (ten years ago) link
she's on instagram now as "actuallygrimes"
― markers, Sunday, 26 January 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/mT39CNP.png
― markers, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:19 (ten years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/53538-grimes-at-work-on-new-album-no-release-date-set/
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:40 (ten years ago) link
"a toast, to all the Lorde money you'll be making us soon" xp
― some dude, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:42 (ten years ago) link
i wonder if jay-z is like me, in that he still listens to visions at least once a month
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
has blue ivy heard visions
― katherine, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link
has she stepped foot in an old navy
― balls, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/84400601704/tbt
― markers, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/86126857724/a-recording-of-my-voice-heehehoo
― markers, Sunday, 18 May 2014 21:14 (nine years ago) link
Thk u grimes for introducing me to "I luh you papi"
― funny and lolexander (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 19 May 2014 12:00 (nine years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/55446-grimes-says-she-wrote-a-song-for-rihanna-that-got-turned-down/
― how's life, Thursday, 5 June 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
cool story bouch
― ₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Thursday, 5 June 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
I wrote a song for Rihanna too, got turned down tho, wanna hear it
re-recorder the visions songs ??what the !?
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
tbh I'm intrigued. Some of the songs on Visions were cool but missing something.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
hum. I can't see how this could be any good... reminds me of the thread about re-recorded albums (that are always shitty).anyway, looking forward to the new album !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link
seems like she only re-recorded the tracks for her live show, not for release? makes sense, i'm sure she feels like she can make them sound a lot better now.
― festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link
That's what I was thinking. Bedroom recordings sounding different at pitchfork fest or whatever. Haven't seen her live though, so I don't know.
― how's life, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/actuallygrimes/go-1/
"The look is an anime elf assassin who is a big fan of dolly parton and patsy cline"
<3<3<3<3
I love the percussion in this (and the bass is cool too), like how she's using handclaps where hi hats would be, and the cool metallic kling klang stuff at the end! Grimes is so awesome!
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:21 (nine years ago) link
oh wow.
― how's life, Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
how she's using handclaps where hi hats would be
has been done in that exact way on 50 million popular songs in the past 3 years fyi
― some dude, Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
lol at the avalanche of fan comments on there hating the EDM breakdown
― festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:53 (nine years ago) link
uh it's decent i guess (not really, kinda boring actually) but if i didn't know it was grimes i don't think i would have given it even one full listen
― dyl, Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link
i am glad she is angering her fans tho, they need to be angered more
Right.
I like this song a lot after two listens (wasn't sold after one).
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 June 2014 20:15 (nine years ago) link
I'd say at this point, I listen to a lot of music made my women. Probably more than music made by men. However, it creeps me out beyond belief when I see the fans of a lot of these women claim ownership of the particular artist's will and choices they make, and seeing how people were commenting on the new Grimes track just reminded me of that.
Quit being gross bossy fans, you dopes. These are grown ass women and they can do what they want...even if that means including a drop.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 June 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link
drop is dumb, song is pretty dumb
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 June 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
But are you suggesting that these fans claim ownership of a particular artist's will and choices because they are female? Because I'm pretty sure there would be the same amount of complaining if a track like this was put out by a male artist, like Panda Bear for instance.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 26 June 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
I'm just saying I see it happen more with female artists, but I'm sure Austin Mahone and Twin Shadow and whoever else get a bit of it too.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 June 2014 21:28 (nine years ago) link
lol at handclaps exchange
on first listen this does a better job of extending the Grimes brand into EDM than the taylor swift single from last summer did hers so w/e
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 26 June 2014 22:43 (nine years ago) link
It doesn't happen more often with women musicians. You're imagining things.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 26 June 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
apparently this was the song written for rihanna
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Thursday, 26 June 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
yeah that's the narrative
― Number None, Thursday, 26 June 2014 22:58 (nine years ago) link
yeah it could be any fucker this.
― piscesx, Friday, 27 June 2014 00:08 (nine years ago) link
However, it creeps me out beyond belief when I see the fans of a lot of these women claim ownership of the particular artist's will and choices they make, and seeing how people were commenting on the new Grimes track just reminded me of that.Quit being gross bossy fans, you dopes. These are grown ass women and they can do what they want...even if that means including a drop.
people love the DIY aspects of "Visions," which Grimes made on her computer using Garageband. i personally really liked the album in part because the eclecticism of its influences felt really personal, right down to the akhmatova quotes on the album sleeve she designed herself. it's an indie album that appealed to indie fans with indie sensibilities. how do you expect them to react to this song? i get that some of the reactions are probably extreme and over-dramatic but i think most of the backlash is from fans who feel that grimes' music is important to them personally. many are probably teenagers. i don't think it has to do with not respecting her autonomy because she is a woman.
― Treeship, Friday, 27 June 2014 01:19 (nine years ago) link
n.b. i like the new track fine.
I haven't really dug around to read any supposed "backlash" but are people really surprised that she has gone hi-fi / come out of the bedroom after previously participating in huge tours with Skrillex and Diplo, signing to Roc Nation, and for many years now professing a love for a lot of major label pop music? Not only that but she played this song a few weeks ago at the Governor's Ball, cameraphone youtubes of which were posted by pitchfork et al, where the presence of a "drop" was fairly evident?
fwiw i don't think her album will all sound like this. I recall 'Go' being labelled on her Twitter as "different from regular Grimes" before she played it live, and the fact that the song is being given away as a free download at least 6-7 months before an actual album release seems to suggest it will eventually be relegated to bonus track status / a fun little anomaly à la 'Phone Sex'.
― ginuwine's cousin (monotony), Friday, 27 June 2014 01:40 (nine years ago) link
o ok wow i'm convinced thanx
― dyl, Friday, 27 June 2014 02:03 (nine years ago) link
yeah grimes has written at length about how she is constantly patronised by dudes thinking she doesn't know what she's doing as a producer or that she doesn't know anything about musical equipment
― ginuwine's cousin (monotony), Friday, 27 June 2014 02:30 (nine years ago) link
oh yeah, that's totally an issue. i just think that the backlash against this song is a separate issue and i don't think there is anything inherently sexist about hoping her new album is more similar to her last album than to a skrillex album. it seems outrageously condescending to like, not criticize something you don't like because you think the artist's autonomy is so fragile it must be nurtured and supported at all costs.
on another note, i agree with monotony that i think her new album will sound totally different from both this single and anything she's released in the past. i hope to be surprised by her new album and i expect to be.
― Treeship, Friday, 27 June 2014 02:55 (nine years ago) link
It's gonna be children of men jams crazy
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:19 (nine years ago) link
i just think that the backlash against this song is a separate issue
Right. I get that people might be taken aback by a style shift as dramatic as this one, but the way some of the pushback has been phrased is the same as I've seen with other female artists—especially the ones who are active on social media. All these fans flock to them very quickly and then get really possessive and creepy about every move they make. Can I cite examples? Not really. It's just a tone I've picked up by following Marina & The Diamonds and Charli XCX and Betty Who and Sky Ferreira and MØ and whoever else and seeing the fawning messages of support turn when something they don't like happens.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:32 (nine years ago) link
yeah that sounds plausible. people are generally more vicious, abusive, and condescending when they discuss famous women than when they discuss famous men. but would these be the true fans though? i think there is probably also a contingent of (young) people who love grimes so much, and base part of their identities on this fandom, that the idea of her going mainstream feels like, personally threatening. this is how it's always been with cult figures, their fans are possessive.
― Treeship, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:43 (nine years ago) link
Well to be fair, if you're going to make an argument about gender and it's role in the reception of musicians by their fans, you better have more in your arsenal than personal anecdotes and ~creepy feelings. Behind the scenes, yes, women aren't considered to be equals in the music business in 2014. However, that's a separate issue. Brian Wilson was recently taken to task by fans for working with people they deemed not worthy. Does that signal a trend in people trying to diminish the choices and will of people over 65? The original assertion is really reaching for the stars.
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:59 (nine years ago) link
yeeaaaah I dunno. big fan of Visions but Go is pretty disappointing imo.
― dmr, Friday, 27 June 2014 04:47 (nine years ago) link
did video surface of her other 2 new songs performed at governor's ball? I love "go," but she's explicitly said it's different because she wrote it for Rihanna.
― Captain Maximus, Friday, 27 June 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
Well to be fair, if you're going to make an argument about gender and it's role in the reception of musicians by their fans, you better have more in your arsenal than personal anecdotes and ~creepy feelings.
god i love this. if you want to make claims about sexism, better have a DAMN good case, because if those accused of sexism aren't on message boards, trust that a public defender will be appointed.
― da croupier, Friday, 27 June 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
I answered my own question and found vid of another new song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x96MxA9nXnA
sounds really good. couldn't find the other though
― Captain Maximus, Friday, 27 June 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
Like something from the Nation Records roster.
― panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Friday, 27 June 2014 22:36 (nine years ago) link
pls list 5 of the 50 million songs that do the handclaps-instead-of-hi-hats thing
― NI, Saturday, 28 June 2014 04:02 (nine years ago) link
normally I am the first to jump on the "it's worse for female musicians" argument but this, I think, is universal. the black keys got it pretty bad this album cycle. arcade fire. the weeknd.
― katherine, Saturday, 28 June 2014 04:11 (nine years ago) link
beyonce - single ladieskanye west - powerbaauer - harlem shakerihanna - birthday cakebig sean - dance (a$$)nicki minaj - stupid hoejuicy j - bandz a make her dancetyga - rack citytravis porter - bring it backsoulja boy - donkazealia banks - jumanjijamie foxx - number onethe weeknd - the fall
not to mention like 90% of new orleans bounce & a ton of other club tracks from the past 20 years
― Captain Maximus, Saturday, 28 June 2014 19:21 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/496084377781428225
:/
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 4 August 2014 00:12 (nine years ago) link
i like her guest spot on the Bleachers album
― some dude, Monday, 4 August 2014 00:46 (nine years ago) link
album cycle shit this fall i hope
― markers, Monday, 4 August 2014 01:58 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/496074592201744384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIi57zhDl78
Lmao @ adidas sandals
― 龜, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:08 (nine years ago) link
watched that a couple times last night. i like grimes.
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:18 (nine years ago) link
she's the best
― lars von (Treeship), Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:21 (nine years ago) link
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― birdman junior dad (some dude), Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:38 (nine years ago) link
treesh is on to something
― markers, Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:13 (nine years ago) link
also, late pass, ilx, this shit was out many hours ago
― markers, Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link
you had one job markers
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:21 (nine years ago) link
cool swords in this video
― post...aftermath (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:04 (nine years ago) link
It's like someone crossbred the video for Freak on a Leash and Genesis
― Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
Not really feeling this.
― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
Has she peaked, already?! Everything about that video/song is regressive.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
too much, too soon, too fast
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link
is this the track she pitched to Rihanna?
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:01 (nine years ago) link
Kind of a weird thing to say about an artist already 3 albums into their game?
I guess it makes more sense as "Grimes writing a pop song to pitch to an established pop artist" but it just makes me miss her wilder, more bricolage approach to music.
― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
i was in the crowd for her set at pfork and this was probably the song that got the biggest audience reaction fwiw
― ╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:12 (nine years ago) link
I could totally see that, and that kinda proves my point about her peaking.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
you had one job markers― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:21 AM
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:21 AM
and i did it . . . on facebook!
― markers, Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/nhivLyy.gif
― ╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:35 (nine years ago) link
feel like she made the "Genesis" video and thought, "I really need to write a song to match this video aesthetic" and so she did it. Good for her.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
is it just my playback experience or is she out of sync with the lyrics the entire time?
― Captain Maximus, Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link
it's OK I guess... but very far from her best work. and I don't really hear the input from Blood Diamonds. disappointing.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 29 August 2014 12:30 (nine years ago) link
scrapped album after reaction to "Go" - starting over
http://pitchfork.com/news/56680-grimes-scraps-new-album-sessions-after-negative-reaction-to-go-starts-again/
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Friday, 12 September 2014 17:11 (nine years ago) link
Hmmmmm. The video she did for Go was pretty embarrassing. Go as a song was not up to her usual standards, production wise. She's messing up having such a big gap between albums and touring so much.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, 12 September 2014 17:23 (nine years ago) link
she scraps an album's worth of stuff every couple of months more or less and the NYT article the quote comes from doesn't even mention anything about scrapping material after or because of the reaction to "go"
― james brooks, Friday, 12 September 2014 17:25 (nine years ago) link
and less of the p****fork linking, heres the actual article http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/magazine/why-everyone-should-be-waiting-for-grimess-next-album.html?_r=0
― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, 12 September 2014 17:26 (nine years ago) link
I heard she is a pretty despicable person actually, which shatters the illusions I had of her.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 12 September 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
you heard, huh?
― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, 12 September 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
A real Snidely Whiplash type, eh?
― how's life, Friday, 12 September 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
I heard she does car commercials in Japan.
― Greer, Friday, 12 September 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
I heard that she has sold her turntables and bought guitars.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 12 September 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
I heard rumours... she was *into* field hockey players...?
― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Friday, 12 September 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
yeah i heard she scrapped the album long before anyone knew what "go" even was
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 12 September 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
makes the PF news thing pretty funny. "one of our writers did a big feature elsewhere, so we're going to point you toward it while also decontextualizing and sensationalizing its narrative."
― some dude, Friday, 12 September 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link
I wasn't a fan of "Go" on any level, but it seems a bit... unseemly to be all "the fans aren't onboard with where I was going, so fuck that."
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 12 September 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link
well, it seems like she didn't say anything like that and that's just the narrative other people are constructing
― some dude, Friday, 12 September 2014 19:38 (nine years ago) link
yeah it seems like she is just trying to figure out what she wants to do & is staying p chill in the meantime
― example (crüt), Friday, 12 September 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link
She's messing up having such a big gap between albums and touring so much.
nah, clearly no one's forgetting about her, better to take the time to make a great record. unless she's overthinking everything and ends up making a terrible record because of it, of course.
― festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 12 September 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
I hope it doesn't turn into another nmh/mbv situation. I do think Visions was that good; it seems like it would be very hard to follow up
― Hot Drexel Students (Treeship), Friday, 12 September 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
"nah, clearly no one's forgetting about her, better to take the time to make a great record. unless she's overthinking everything and ends up making a terrible record because of it, of course."
When you look at her career though before and up to visions, and I was a fan back then, her output was frequent, 4 releases in 2 years. It suited her development and kind of highly momentary transient style. Visions and the lack of anything after it has shocked her a bit into anxiety that wasn't there before. I think she's absolutely a person who requires total personal freedom and it's clear thats been affected by the success. She's obviously a confident person but highly sensitive. She's in a bit of a block right now and then Go came out and it was just absolutely not the record anyone really wanted to hear (though the vocals were brilliant) after such a void. But it would've worked fine in the middle of other stuff or if people hadn't been so starved.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, 12 September 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link
jordan is right. visions has set her up for big things and if she puts out a great record it could really catapult her. if it's wack her buzz will die down a bit (like on some current day MIA shit where she's fallen off the mainstream radar but can still be an indie superstar). it doesn't matter if that record came out last year or comes out next year tho.
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 12 September 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/510531702125371392
― some dude, Friday, 12 September 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
smdh ... haha
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Friday, 12 September 2014 21:13 (nine years ago) link
mb some aliases/sideprojects to offload material w/out fretting about the brand all the time
― ogmor, Friday, 12 September 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
Lime-scales
― Liquid Plejades, Friday, 12 September 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
smdh....so many dead horses??? Dude that's fucked up why is Grimes killing horses?
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 12 September 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
with all those dead horses in the sun, how's grimes 'posed to get any writing done?
― Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 12 September 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
Like many young people who frequently change hair color, Boucher maintains an active Tumblr
― dmr, Saturday, 13 September 2014 01:46 (nine years ago) link
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Saturday, 13 September 2014 13:33 (nine years ago) link
People who shave animal shapes into their hair usually haven't updated their tumblr in about 2 years iirc
― some dude, Saturday, 13 September 2014 13:55 (nine years ago) link
shaving my damn hair
― niels, Sunday, 14 September 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link
stop making droopy hats......grimes is so judgmental! #grimesleavemyhatalone
― kornrulez6969, Sunday, 14 September 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
http://m.pitchfork.com/news/57072-grimes-did-not-like-ariel-pinks-comments-about-madonna/
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 07:42 (nine years ago) link
i'm pretty sure claire publicly stated she didn't want her tumblr/twitter posts to become news stories
― j. winters (josh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 07:53 (nine years ago) link
what does she want them to become
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 08:00 (nine years ago) link
everyone needs to stop being mean to ariel pink
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 08:11 (nine years ago) link
hopefully a lengthy article about beta male misogyny will now get posted on every music forum
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 09:47 (nine years ago) link
Whats so misogonist about not likink Madonna's records?
― nostormo, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 12:42 (nine years ago) link
nothing per se but when you couch that dislike in vitriolic sexist/ageist/rockist language ppl are going to call you out on being a piece of shit
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 12:56 (nine years ago) link
i can easily take sides here, grimes is cool ariel pink seems like a dick, but somehow knowing about this story makes me feel like im wasting my life
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:07 (nine years ago) link
"She can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. They actually need songs. I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing."
this sounds very sexist. but i am disturbed at the fact that it doesn't seem like ariel pink was actually ever contracted by madonna to write songs. he has always been a troubled guy... maybe now he is delusional?
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:12 (nine years ago) link
The sexist think is the 20 years old thing, but I think he would have said it also if it was a male singer that he used to like and now not, too.
― nostormo, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:32 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, there's nothing overtly misogynist/sexist in Pink's comments.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:06 (nine years ago) link
But y'know, some guy called Default Genders has weighed in, so that's worth reporting.
oh huh cool James brooks put an album out
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:08 (nine years ago) link
wtf. Saying that Madonna is only making music to 'gyrate to and pretend that she's 20 years old' (because old women, lol!) is completely misogynistic. Also implying that it's just her producers who make the music, while she just dances. Because of course Madonna can't be writing her own stuff.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:10 (nine years ago) link
there's nothing overt, just the ongoing theme of diminishing the songwriting talents of women and giving full credit to their producers, something that's seldom done to men
obviously different vocalists have varying levels of songwriting/arranging/production input on their albums but it's seldom used against men as a weapon to diminish their perceived talent
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:16 (nine years ago) link
whoops, Frederik beat me to it
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:17 (nine years ago) link
that point came to mind in the last few days following the news of Mark Bell's death. some people not that familiar with his LFO work mentioned his ongoing collaboration with Bjork, which is cool, but some people went far enough to say he was "responsible" for one of their fave Bjork albums which is completely wrongheaded as he was an amazing producer but Bjork notably does her own work. but I guess men do the real work, or something.
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:20 (nine years ago) link
"responsible" in this context is one of those terms which can mean pretty much any degree of credit for the final product. not sure where you saw it but I could imagine someone using it yesterday to bang out a Mark Bell obit as fast as possible without having to look into exactly what his role was
― well-behaved wingmen really hate Mystery (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:26 (nine years ago) link
I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing.
hahaha
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link
What's that french sounding word that's like curator that sounds like orr-ter? That's what Madonna has always been. A genius of capturing some moment in some sort of scene, immersing in it, and blowing it up. Been associating herself near creatives since before she was famous, to be famous (i.e Basquiat in NY). AP not exactly the first person to say she's not a great singer or a great musician or doesn't play an instrument or whatever. It doesn't really matter to what she's doing and to say that she's not a musician like Prince or something isn't misogynist. She left her hometown to New York to be famous in showbusiness, not be a musician.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link
if you mean auteur, it doesn't mean what you think it means (but it's still applicable)if you mean hauteur, it also doesn't mean that, and it's definitely applicable
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
did Raccoon Takuki just out himself as a britisher by thinking "au" has an "r" sound
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link
where's alfred to pull out all of madonna's songwriting receipts
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link
Last time I looked, singing was still being a musician.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:09 (nine years ago) link
thanks and yes I got it wrong.
but people have always said she couldn't sing. it doesn't matter. she's still a musician. these definitions are irrelevant.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link
bricoleur?
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link
female pop singers can barely ever win when it comes to singing. either they "can't sing" (a charge rarely levelled at dudes where singing off-key too often codes as authenticity) or they're emotionless show-boating bots (mariah, whitney, celine)
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link
who was saying madonna can't sing? i'm confused.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
but prolego otm.
either they "can't sing" (a charge rarely levelled at dudes where singing off-key too often codes as authenticity)
I would like to point out for the record that I say this about dudes all the time (hi dere Ryan Tedder)
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
Same with men people always have their opinions. Dylan, McCartney, Lennon. I guess your barely ever win would have to include quite a few who do like Tracy Chapman, Joni, Flack, Diana Ross, Lauryn, Adele, Nina Simeone, Dolly, Dusty, Mary, Estefan, Kate Bush, Aretha, Aaliyah. Just because a few like Rihanna and Britney can't hold a note, Aguilera can't reign it in doesn't say that women vocalists 'never win when it comes to singing'
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
xpost a lot of people clearly do! prolego is referring to the voice of the patriarchy, just like everyone on every ILM thread
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link
obviously with sexism being a major feature of recording industry in 20th century history of solo female pop music is more replete with female popstars who can't sing great. but obvs there's a tonne who are incredible and given all their due and to say female pop singers have "never won" on accreditation of their voices is just plain wrong and really a bizarre formulation.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
i didn't say "never win", only rarely. but it's a bit suspicious listing these (often soul) singers that are safely canonized 20/30 years after they were popular. aaliyah was definitely not considered a great singer by critics or indie dudes when she was alive! kate bush was sidelined for the first decade of her career. mariah is only starting to get her due respect now she's birthed several imitators. i'm sure it'll be great in 30 years time when jazmine sullivan is retrospectively judged as one of the all time great vocalists but women are rarely given the props they deserve when they're actually active on the charts.
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
Do the opinions of music critics really matter though? All of the figures you mentioned "won" in the industry. It was only punk ideologues who didn't vibe to Kate Bush.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link
well i doubt any of them are crying over the opinions of music critics, least of all madonna, but a lot of systemic sexism within the music press does seem to have had an effect about how ppl often talk about female artists in conversation? idk
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:35 (nine years ago) link
prolego otm
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
"They need something edgy. They need songwriting," he said. "She can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. They actually need songs. I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing." "I guess it’s called ‘throwback’, but the first record was so good because of the songs," he said. "It's been a downward slide (since). Ray of Light is not cool. And all the other stuff she’s done after that, it’s not like it matters. It really shows a drain of values. People need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. People need more sugar or something."
"I guess it’s called ‘throwback’, but the first record was so good because of the songs," he said. "It's been a downward slide (since). Ray of Light is not cool. And all the other stuff she’s done after that, it’s not like it matters. It really shows a drain of values. People need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. People need more sugar or something."
― everything, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link
Ariel Pink is full of shit, duh
I only like early Madonna but it has nothing to do with a "drain of values"
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:44 (nine years ago) link
according to pitchfork's ongoing beef coverage, black lips is siding with pink, Waxahatchee with grimes. i sure hope madonna doesn't wind up indie's archduke ferdinand
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
They need something edgy. TRUEThey need songwriting. TRUEShe can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. TRUEThey actually need songs. TRUEI’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing. FALSEI guess it’s called ‘throwback’, but the first record was so good because of the songs. TRUEIt's been a downward slide (since). FALSERay of Light is not cool. FALSEAnd all the other stuff she’s done after that, it’s not like it matters. TRUEIt really shows a drain of values. FALSEPeople need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. FALSE People need more sugar or something. FALSE
― everything, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
whose side is tapes n' tapes on?
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
grimes is a personal hero and role model to me but i think she is ceding too much to ariel pink by engaging with his delusional nonsense. she shouldn't be in a feud with a known maniac, much as i enjoy his early lo-fi albums
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
has menomena weighed in?
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
"hung up" alone matters more than this dude's entire pathetic existence.
FALSEST thing ever clearly
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
and tUnE-yArDs?
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
Why does implying Madonna can't write her own music has to do anything with gender?
― Moka, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
what do majical cloudz think of all this?
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link
the opinions of (some) critics shouldn't matter but often the most influential writers have been the male writers who are quick to dismiss female artists and who tend to champion those who are most like them cf white dudes full of ennui. it's not so much outright dismissal of many female musicians as much as it is ignoring them completely and not including them in the history to an extent.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
grimes can pick what battles she feels like
the amount of misogynistic bullshit in the music industry is so much that pushing back against it - any of it - is all about picking your battles, and props to grimes for fighting at all. why criticise her for speaking out?? i don't think keeping quiet will solve anything.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:53 (nine years ago) link
I think Ariel Pink is being an asshole but I don't see the misogyny in his comment.
― Moka, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:53 (nine years ago) link
i am confused about this whole "ariel pink sucks" thing. do we not find "every night i die at miyagi's" compellingly fucked anymore? i don't know why people are surprised that the artist behind "worn copy" says stupid, crazy shit.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link
the misogyny is that ariel pink probably wouldn't say "Usher can’t just have his Avicii, his producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for him to gyrate to and pretend that he’s 20 years old." You can say OH YES HE WOULD, but that kind of extraction from the creative process is far more commonly assigned to female artists
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link
lol just realised treeship's last couple of criticisms basically amount to telling grimes to stfu
"music critics don't matter anyway so you should be quiet!""ariel pink is crazy so you should be quiet!"
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
always a reason why women talking about misogyny don't actually need to speak, right
mariah is only starting to get her due respect now she's birthed several imitators.
This is flatly untrue, at least in the US.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
it's actually funny/completely fucking boring how just about every producer that has worked with madonna has come out afterwards and said stuff like "omg she's actually hugely involved with the music making progress!!! she actually writes the lyrics and melodies and contributes to nearly all production decisions!!!". diplo being the latest in the past 30 years. sometimes i think it's b/c she's not stressed her musicianship enough, but then i look at say mariah who mentions she's a songwriter primarily in every damn interview and press release and every year i still here people saying they thought "all i want for xmas is you" is a cover. the autership and autonomy of female pop stars is constantly doubted and questioned in a way it just isn't with men of similar stature.
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:03 (nine years ago) link
xp lex, that seems uncharitable. i wouldn't be a grimes fan if i didn't like that she spoke out about gender issues. and i didn't say that her or anyone shouldn't speak out against music critics, i was just questioning aloud the narrative prolega put forth about kate bush et al being "sidelined." sidelined by whom? left out of whose canon? with ariel pink, it all just seems weird to me that he is being engaged at all for his comments about madonna's people commissioning him to restore her "legitmacy." these comments were not rooted in reality. grimes and whoever else can critique them -- go nuts -- but i don't understand why i can't have views on these things without being accused of having some kind of ulterior motive
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link
Kate bush was bas
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link
Whoops hang on
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:07 (nine years ago) link
kate bush was basically someone who was never talked about with the same level of respect and attention that many of her inferior male contemporaries were and still are to some degree. and i doubt some dipshit session musician would come out and say the same things about, idk, peter gabriel as he said abt kate bush.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:12 (nine years ago) link
wait
"All I Want For Xmas Is You" is not a cover? That.... is amazing I always thought it was some 1940s staple that'd been updated, holy shit
― fgti, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link
MIND BLOWN
― everything, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link
It's weird that he would pick on Madonna, cause regardless of whether she wrote her own shit (which sometimes she did, sometimes she didn't) she has always been very clearly in charge of her own creations, and I'm sure even now she dictates to the label what she wants to do. If Avicii produces a track on Madonna's new album, it's because Madonna wanted him there, not because of the machinations of an A&R guy.
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link
I still fail to see how saying that Madonna just knows how to dance and hire producers to write her music is a comment directed against all women and not just her, if anything it's a snide comment against pop stardom. I've made similar comments myself and they have nothing to do with gender. It's just feeding on the idea that pop stars very rarely write their own music. I see One Direction as dancing puppets that don't write their own songs, does that make me a misandrist?
― Moka, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
yup
sorry ;_;
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:29 (nine years ago) link
I'm not defending him, an artist like him doesn't get to pick on an artist like Madonna. That's like ducks shooting at guns. I just don't think he was being misogynistic.
― Moka, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link
(I was not being serious, in case that was unclear; hopefully I have never used the ;_; emoticon in a serious post)
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
kate bush was basically someone who was never talked about with the same level of respect and attention that many of her inferior male contemporaries were and still are to some degree.
do you mean like in the press or what
everybody I knew back when would never ever stfu about the godlike genius of Kate Bush basically from Never Forever forward
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
moka, rather than wail away that assuming a pop star heavily involved in their music is just an old body that thinks she's a young body isn't inherently sexist, maybe just note that a lot of people think that's an assumption most often aimed at women? rather than defending the assumption?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
yeah i meant the press, i mean obviously there's always been a big kate bush fanbase that has always loved her.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
it's still shitty to assume people don't have anything to do with their music just because they're attractive and can dance. even if you do it to enrique iglesias or some other boy.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
certain members of one direction do actually write their own songs! (liam, louis, harry even did that awful ariana grande song) just usually the unspoken assumption behind coming for the likes of one direction and justin bieber is "lol teenage girls" rather than misandry (not saying that's you here moka). a more relevant example here would be justin timberlake who despite working entirely with timbaland for two albums has never been called his muse or puppet in a way certain female popstars have.
but obviously pop nowadays is mostly dominated by women (thx in part to madonna's impact) so they bare the brunt of kneejerk anti-pop hatred.
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
if ariel pink wasn't misogynist he'd still be ageist and if he wasn't ageist he'd still be a dickhead.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
madonna had the perfect ageism rebuttal ready in advance 20 yrs agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNqjZ9C2ZVQare you supposed to just die when you're 40? <3
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
prolego killin it all the way itt
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:45 (nine years ago) link
Why are there like 70 new answers on this thread since this morning? Can someone give me a recap of what happened up behind the fold, or do I just not even want to know?
― Jacques Lacan let me rock u; let me rock u, Jacques Lacan (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
Ariel Pink was being an ass again. Grimes weighed in.
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
Ariel Pink:
"They need something edgy. They need songwriting," he said. "She can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. They actually need songs. I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing.""I guess it’s called ‘throwback’, but the first record was so good because of the songs," he said. "It's been a downward slide (since). Ray of Light is not cool. And all the other stuff she’s done after that, it’s not like it matters. It really shows a drain of values. People need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. People need more sugar or something."
Grimes:
Ariel pinks delusional misogyny is emblematic of the kind of bullshit everyone woman in this industry faces daily. Also Ray of Light is a masterpiece
― everything, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
So it's basically 70 posts of STFU Ariel Pink? Good work, ppl! Thanks for the recap.
― Jacques Lacan let me rock u; let me rock u, Jacques Lacan (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
Prolego otm.
and I really wish he left mac-and-cheese out of this.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:06 (nine years ago) link
who puts sugar in their mac-and-cheese
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:36 (nine years ago) link
^
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link
ariel pink, which is why he is horrible and hated iirc
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link
it seems kind of appropriate that Ariel Pink's idea of giving "substance" to a meal is spooning sugar onto his Kraft dinner
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
i put tater tots and chopped up jalapenos in mac n cheese for substance
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
lol crut otm
― astuteness isn't everything (wins), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
pink is wrong and grimes is right but her reaction is a little out of proportion and they are both talented and i hate twitter
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:18 (nine years ago) link
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/98711973564/people-who-dont-like-the-smashing-pumpkins-can
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:19 (nine years ago) link
A+. thread's back on track.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
brb gotta track down grimes
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
the adult cat finder thing in the corner is pretty cool
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:28 (nine years ago) link
haha, i just noticed that.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link
grimes, smashing pumpkins, and the language of male violence
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link
http://dealbreaker.com/uploads/2012/11/drudge-siren.gif
Ariel Pink is terrible. Grimes has terrible taste and wants me to suck her dick.
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:14 (nine years ago) link
You guys are no fun! Ariel is one of the greatest, terrible musicians to have ever musicianed. Grimes' music (equally 'bad' to Ariel's imo) has lost what initially drew me to her, which was her ability to produce and write catchy, interesting songs that sounded extremely diy. It sickens me how many of her supporters are so patronizing toward her and treat her like a wounded animal who constantly needs defending and pats on the back. I'm a fan of both but her manic-pixie-dreamgirl stuff projected onto her by fans is so bizarre to me.
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 06:32 (nine years ago) link
very good example of terrible internet discourse in 2014
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 06:44 (nine years ago) link
The beef or this thread?
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 06:45 (nine years ago) link
i meant the last post, but also the beef. and probably lots of this thread, although that's on a third tier. i like some of the ppl itt
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 06:49 (nine years ago) link
this is one of those 'issues' where i'm like, i need to just remove-bookmark-from-thread bc taking a thoughful/critical approach to this interesting issue makes me realize i really DNGAF
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 06:50 (nine years ago) link
Your schtick is so tired at this point. Why come into yet, another thread to talk about how much you don't care about or respect the subjects being discussed?
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 07:05 (nine years ago) link
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:32 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OTM
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 11:53 (nine years ago) link
Weirdos
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 11:58 (nine years ago) link
well ariel pink has a double album coming out in a month and grimes does not
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 12:05 (nine years ago) link
it's disturbing how much time grimes seems to spend not making music or getting distracted on twitter/tumblr
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 12:06 (nine years ago) link
maybe she should just do what she feels like doing
― Treeship, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 12:28 (nine years ago) link
she had an album ready to release but scrapped it because it wasn't up to her standards... i'd imagine visions is tough to follow up because it's one of the most distinctive releases this decade so far. hope she's not "psyched out" by the pressure but i understand why she is careful about what she attaches her name to after establishing herself as a major figure.
her tumblr presence is great.
ariel pink is an amazing "outsider" musician but in the mainstream he's predictably floundered... musically, i think, but also he's just not equipped to be speaking in public.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 12:32 (nine years ago) link
i agree her fans can be a little too worshipful but i don't think that comes from condescension. plenty of people will leap to the defense of kanye or whatever other male celebrity they idoloize. i think people just love grimes.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 12:34 (nine years ago) link
you're right, i take that back (sorry, always bit nasty in the morning). bc she actually does seem to be making music constantly, and all the other shit she does in the press/online (especially the recent How to Be a Boss essay) is dope. i can't wait for her new record and was very depressed to hear she had scrapped one. honestly i dont have a leg to stand on with all this except separate the art from the artist, AP's Limbaugh schtick is schtick but it still sucks and makes no sense and it bums me out as a massive fan of his music. he's also, like someone said upthread (or was that in the ariel pink thread?), been an asshole in interviews since 2005, so... I'm excited for pom pom and grimes LP3
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 12:35 (nine years ago) link
same feeling i have to fight w/r/t tao lin
"OTM"
"OTM" you're a little bit "OTM" but she does call herself a fairy pixie at frequent intervals so its not projected onto her. Also how has she lost what drew you to her in her music when she stopped releasing music since Visions. Go was also catchy, just that terrible "Blood Diamonds" dudes terrible production routines.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:06 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
can we reorient the whole different-standards-for-female-musicians discussion around this quote
― schlump, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link
just the idea that it's 'disturbing' is disturbing
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 16:35 (nine years ago) link
Blood Diamonds is actually working on the new Madonna album lol
― Number None, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 16:37 (nine years ago) link
One Direction is a group put together 4 years ago on a British TV show, comparing that to Madonna is pretty silly.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
Apart from that being hilarious all this now makes a lot more sense
Wait...
Ugh this is horrible moves from all involved. This is not what twitter is good at.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
it's disturbing that we can all spend as much time on the internet as we all clearly do while still working full-time or holding down other life responsibilities but pretend that it's totally weird and unnatural for famous people
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:46 (nine years ago) link
you're right, i apologize, it doesn't make sense since she is working on music constantly. 'disturbing' isn't the right word, more like disappointing, bc i want to hear new grimes. i feel the same way about isaac brock but he's had seven fucking years
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
and he never tweets hmmmm it's almost like there's absolutely no relationship between social media presence and artistic productivity
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank was the best MM album and probably found Brock at his ceiling as a songwriter, and he probably knows it, so don't wish for an album that's only going to disappoint you.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:53 (nine years ago) link
We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank was the best MM album
say what bruh??
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link
I am king challop when it comes to MM and I know it.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
i could see that. it's a damn good record, better than good news, more rocking, less tom waits
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:21 (nine years ago) link
we were dead is probably my favorite modest mouse album, but the idea that the lack of follow-up comes from isaac brock thinking he couldn't possibly top it so why bother, rather a mix of indifference on his part and interscope's, is pretty funny
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:23 (nine years ago) link
"and then johnny marr left and i was like, well fuuuuuuuck how could i ever write another 'dashboard' my work here on earth is done"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link
whoops they're on epic or were, who knows at this point
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link
they have a handful of new songs like "Shit in Your Cut" they've been playing live for years now, none of them sound very good
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:29 (nine years ago) link
it's definitely possible that he knows he'll never make as much in royalties again
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link
lonesome crowded west c'mon y'all...
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
Oh, I was only kidding about him contemplating his limitations after the last album. Maybe dude's just not into writing that much anymore.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
all the LP's are too bloated by about 3-4 songs, imo Everywhere and His Nasty Parlor Tricks is their best release front to back
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
Night on the Sun is best jam
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
It's a mark of how bad this thread had become that the swerve into Modest Mouse discussion actually seems like a slight improvement.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
oh man, "You're the Good Things," "Here it Comes," the extended "I Came as a Rat".... totally classic. i know ILX hates modest mouse for the most part
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahnUH7wnW30
4:40 in this video, Grimes talking about Madonna: "..even though she sucks now".
-LOL-
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
whoops
― how's life, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:01 (nine years ago) link
i think the issue was the way ariel pink discounted madonna, criticizing her for trying to hold onto her faded youth and that her work needs more substance -- "sugar in the mac and cheese" -- from male songwriters such as himself. he didn't just say "i haven't been too enthusiastic about madonna's recent efforts" or something.
― Treeship, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:02 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/HVoM9oX.png
post from that Grimes video
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:03 (nine years ago) link
that said, and i will say it again, ariel pink doesn't know what he is saying because he is a weird, crazy guy who spent his twenties in his parent's basement.
― Treeship, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:04 (nine years ago) link
also ariel gets no benefit of the doubt after that sexist shit he was saying about that girl he took home in that one video, that was low shit
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:18 (nine years ago) link
idk, i think people are leaping to that reading given all of his other press where he said dumb/offensive things in a deadpan way, for some reason, but saying madonna's music lacks substance these days/for many years, isn't a controversial opinion is it? he exaggerates wildly though by saying she's been shit since before Like a Virgin and putting sugar in mac and cheese would ever be acceptable.
he's trolling because he has a record coming out in november
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:21 (nine years ago) link
xpost yea in that same "i got maced by a feminist" bullshit interview, he says that gay sex "isn't really sex"he's not a bigot, just really cynical 'playing the heel'
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:23 (nine years ago) link
what a disaster for the self-aware heel if he's mistaken for a misogynist
― da croupier, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link
He's not a bigot he's just using hurtful language in a trolling way to get a rise out of people? Call me cray but I think that makes him a bigot nonetheless.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link
Actually remove "nonetheless" there
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:28 (nine years ago) link
saying bigoted shit to "troll" is as bigoted as saying it because you "mean it"
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link
xp
Can't imagine Grimes reasons for saying "Madonna sucks now" in that video were much or any different from Ariel Pinks, i.e, the same opinion of everybody on why she sucks now.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:33 (nine years ago) link
we've reached the "are people who still claim the issue was ariel saying madonna's music ain't good now trolling or genuinely clueless" portion of the thread
― da croupier, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link
There are like 8million people ITT and the other one going "IDGI, what's wrong with saying Madonna sucks now?" as if that's the problem, rather than the wording of his statement.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:44 (nine years ago) link
yeah this is frustrating
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:33 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://www.millsworks.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/writing_process.gif
― Tim F, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:52 (nine years ago) link
there's just something so goofy about the "woah, woah, the guy who casually says sexist shit may be a jerk, but that doesn't mean he's a real-deal, dyed-in-the-wool, my-woman-belongs-in-the-kitchen SEXIST" argument, as if it's important everyone be really delicate and careful in our estimation of egomaniacs who clearly don't give a fuck
― da croupier, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
Never underestimate the ability of people to not understand things they don't really want to understand.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
lol @ analysing and interpreting the wording of something arial pink says in an interview
he said she should stop gyrating like shes 20. call it ageist if you want, but still no one has bothered explained why it's sexist, let alone misogynist.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link
+ I would actually find a dismissive "even though she sucks now" as far 'offensive' than what Ariel said, personally.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
because men are not generally subject to the same type of ageism
― Treeship, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
RT: You're wrong, re-read the thread. Nobody owes you any further explanation you worthless troll.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
- some of the arguments itt are being supported w/citations from youtube comments threads
― schlump, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link
people getting angry over this haha
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link
Life, Liberty, Property and the ability to gyrate at any age.
― Evan, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link
― Raccoon Tanuki, 16. oktober 2014 17:23 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I am not angry. I am stating calmly and clearly, that what you write is factually wrong, and that you are a worthless troll. This isn't anger, this is fact. You have nothing to contribute, and you're wasting everyones time. So, quite frankly, shut up.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
you're upset, just calm down.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
I love that gal Grimes. But that weird sheer top she wears with the felt on it, I hope she's not wearing that when she's 80. Amirite folks? I mean come on!
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
keep calm and FP
― clouds, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
It's the Calm Police.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
they live inside of my head
― clouds, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:28 (nine years ago) link
I'm calm, calm as can be. I'm listening to Stars of the Lid and drinking tea.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
Just going to update this exchange with hopes of keeping this thread delivering for a few more days.
Ariel pinks delusional misogyny is emblematic of the kind of bullshit everyone woman in this industry faces daily. Also Ray of Light is a masterpiece. Even though she sucks now.
― everything, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
a.p otm tho tbh
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
no one talking about putting sugar into mac and cheese can ever be OTM
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
He's not saying that you should put sugar in your mac-and-cheese.
He's saying people need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. He's also saying people need more sugar or something. Not necessarily in their mac-and-cheese though. Maybe just have a Mountain Dew at the same time.
― everything, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:14 (nine years ago) link
He's saying people need more sugar. He's saying people need more sugar in their aero-plane sachets, he's saying fuck your mac, he's saying macs don't gyrate covered in sugarwashes and spray you in the face like a feminist outside a healthshake store.
I wonder if Grimes likes the eco-feminists in Futurama. I wonder if Grimes is a really uptight person who cant' take jokes and stuff. I wonder if Grimes talks off the cuff knowingly about things like witch house then mixes it up with a Beiber-is-underrated spin off. I wonder if Grimes spends too much time tweeting and shit. I wonder if Ariel is a crack head with greasy fucking hair like an unfamous lo-fi tramp who nobody knows.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link
Quit being so got damn selfishPut it in ya pelvisLet it work, gyrate, motivate
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
I wonder if Grimes likes the eco-feminists in Futurama. I wonder if Grimes is a really uptight person who cant' take jokes and stuff.
flagged this post by the way. encourage others to do so too.
― Treeship, Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link
It sickens me how many of her supporters are so patronizing toward her and treat her like a wounded animal who constantly needs defending and pats on the back. I'm a fan of both but her manic-pixie-dreamgirl stuff projected onto her by fans is so bizarre to me.
Ariel gets pat on the back 7 minutes into this.http://pitchfork.com/news/56089-ariel-pink-i-got-maced-by-a-feminist/
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
Clear Butcher @Grimezszguitar is just a whole new sonic world, melodically, rhythmically etc,. playing 'irl' music is my biggest inspiration lately
― Number None, Friday, 12 December 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link
the pop-punk grimes album markers deserves
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 12 December 2014 19:47 (nine years ago) link
i remember her liking Blink 182 in her Amoeba Records 'what's in your bag?'
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 December 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
http://instagram.com/p/wgFj4FjfiG/
gree hee hee
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 12 December 2014 20:07 (nine years ago) link
new album this year?
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Monday, 16 February 2015 00:38 (nine years ago) link
I wouldn’t mind.
― markers, Monday, 16 February 2015 00:38 (nine years ago) link
i feel like i remember her once saying it would come out sometime in the fall, so we still got quite a ways if that's still true
― j. winters (josh), Monday, 16 February 2015 07:27 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-P6Bhzv074
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 06:06 (nine years ago) link
fucking awesome new song, album outtake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9XKLqGqwLA&sns=tw
― flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Monday, 9 March 2015 07:17 (nine years ago) link
SHITTTTTTT
― markers, Monday, 9 March 2015 07:20 (nine years ago) link
since this is no longer gonna be on the album, I’m releasing it as a special thank you to everyone in Singapore, KL, Manila, Jakarta, HK, Shanghai, Beijing, Taipei, Seoul, Osaka, Nagoya and Tokyo who came out to the shows! It was an honor to play with a bunch of amazing bands and travel to places I would never otherwise be able to go
This song was never finished. its a demo from ~ the lost album ~, recorded early 2013. i lost the ableton file, so its not mixed or mastered. i tried to doctor the mp3 into a listenable state, but it was poorly recorded in the first place and never meant to be heard by anyone, so its a bit of a mess haha.
― flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Monday, 9 March 2015 07:27 (nine years ago) link
oh man, finally some new music
― how's life, Monday, 9 March 2015 09:40 (nine years ago) link
<3 this
― 龜, Monday, 9 March 2015 12:34 (nine years ago) link
this song is amazing, I can't believe it's an offcut! Or that supposedly it's only in rough demo form.
Either some serious humblebraggery or she's about to drop the album of the millennium
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Monday, 9 March 2015 12:40 (nine years ago) link
Oh, she's seriously fucking with us.
― how's life, Monday, 9 March 2015 12:42 (nine years ago) link
This is awesome.
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 9 March 2015 12:54 (nine years ago) link
Wow this is great
― example (crüt), Monday, 9 March 2015 13:22 (nine years ago) link
admittedly my memory of the last album is shaky but am i wrong in thinking this is better than the majority of that?
― dyl, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
cool song!
― call all destroyer, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
"realiti" makes me so mad at the dweebs who discouraged her from making her big pop album. this is even better than "go."
― soyrev, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link
"go" was real whatever, this is wonderful
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
"realiti" makes me so mad at the dweebs who discouraged her from making her big pop album.
^ exactly this!
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
Agree xp
― 龜, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
this is meant to be anything like a big pop move? k
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 March 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
In context, sure. Was she going to make Teenage Dream? Probably not.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 March 2015 16:24 (nine years ago) link
this was the album she signed to rocnation to make, repeatedly warned fans would be mainstream, and debuted with a dubstep single she bragged about having been originally penned for rihanna. i don't personally think she would've met with great success, commercially, but it's clear that's what she was intending, and it's clear it i would have liked it very a lot.
― soyrev, Monday, 9 March 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
is that really the narrative? never thought "go" was advertising some lost big pop album
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
"go" was never intended to be on any album
there isn't and hasn't ever been any other grimes music that sounds like "go"
she signed to roc nation management (not the label arm, the management arm) because they're a great management company. roc nation also manages matthew dear.
the "lost album" was scrapped around the time she changed management. "go" didn't even exist yet, in any form. it was not a factor.
― james brooks, Monday, 9 March 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link
that's all cool to know! thanks james. (and whoopsies on the rocnation bit...)
― soyrev, Monday, 9 March 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
I missed this jam from xmas time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bc27oFFJo4
― how's life, Monday, 9 March 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
― soyrev, Monday, March 9, 2015 12:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
off by a year, she signed to rocnation in early 2014, this one is from early 2013...probably pre-Go
― flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Monday, 9 March 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
i've listened to "REALiTi" probably 30 times in the past 6 hours
― j. winters (josh), Monday, 9 March 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
Great friggin song kudos to her
― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Monday, 9 March 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
"Every morning there are mountains to climb" <3
this is the best Grimes song I've ever heard
― bunny slopes, Monday, 9 March 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
I don't hate this song, but it has a whiff of "off-brand Kate Bush" about it
― bernard snowy, Monday, 9 March 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
tyvm for clearing it up, james!
― mh, Monday, 9 March 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
I watched live television for the first time in a long time over the weekend and hearing Grimes on an Expedia commercial was a refreshing thing
― mh, Monday, 9 March 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link
I've been to like half of the places in that music video haha it's awes I'm braggin'
― 龜, Monday, 9 March 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
holy shit as if expectations for her next album weren't high enough, this is what her cast-offs sound like? bow etc
― Leonard Pine, Monday, 9 March 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
Oh my, niiiiice
― ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 9 March 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
https://38.media.tumblr.com/90ad8ead62e4bd930174810ee07630ed/tumblr_nkyqv8FpyL1r7z66ao9_540.gif
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 9 March 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
was just gonna say, really feeling her dance moves in that video
― five six and (man alive), Monday, 9 March 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link
ya i'm going to steal as many as i can
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Monday, 9 March 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link
https://33.media.tumblr.com/3d985d697efb8efbc4f0a4ae2f743d76/tumblr_nkyqv8FpyL1r7z66ao6_540.gif
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 9 March 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link
on twitter she seems quite surprised by all the positive reception this is getting so i hope that means that the album is even better because it's definitely one of the best things she's done
― ufo, Monday, 9 March 2015 23:15 (nine years ago) link
I'm the grinch, motherfucker!
― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Monday, 9 March 2015 23:17 (nine years ago) link
RIP "lost album" :(
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 9 March 2015 23:17 (nine years ago) link
while the realiti dance moves are all ✓, the dancing with the axe in the grinch video is terrifying
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Monday, 9 March 2015 23:27 (nine years ago) link
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, March 9, 2015 7:17 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm...
― flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 01:42 (nine years ago) link
not so much "lost album" as "lost"/scrapped direction for her next album. also, the "go" thing, if actually a misconception, comes courtesy the press:
"Grimes said that the Visions follow-up she had been working on "sucked, so I threw it out and started again." The reaction to "Go"—which was originally written for Rihanna—helped dictate the change of pace. "It upsets a lot of my fans, and I get why it upsets them," she said. “Everybody was like, ‘Oh, Grimes is pandering to the radio.""http://pitchfork.com/news/56680-grimes-scraps-new-album-sessions-after-negative-reaction-to-go-starts-again/
and from the NYT interview p4k is quoting:
"“It upsets a lot of my fans, and I get why it upsets them,” says Boucher of the big, booming track. “Everybody was like, ‘Oh, Grimes is pandering to the radio.’ ” But the failure, ultimately, was a productive one. By that point, she had already begun to hate the album she was working on..."http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/magazine/why-everyone-should-be-waiting-for-grimess-next-album.html?_r=1
― soyrev, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 02:29 (nine years ago) link
I think Grimes sounds really good filtered through a "pandering to the radio" box.
― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 02:36 (nine years ago) link
I mean I really like her just slightly offbeat take on a radio-friendly single.
I could do without the dubsteppy part, but it's not that bad as far as those kinds of parts go
― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 02:37 (nine years ago) link
imo the dubsteppy part on the "go" demo was maybe a bit much but the final version was perfect
― soyrev, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 02:39 (nine years ago) link
I really like the "Phone Sex" song she did with Blood Diamonds a couple years before "Go".
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 02:44 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/4zRlBRl.png
― 龜, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link
She is such an AWFUL musician and songstress!
And I say this as someone who has all of her albums and some ep's. Compelling stuff, but it's soooo bad.
― Cousin Slappy, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 03:06 (nine years ago) link
u dum
― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 03:06 (nine years ago) link
@Slappy fall back fam
― soyrev, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 03:06 (nine years ago) link
Yes. Guard your manic pixie/gnat.
― Cousin Slappy, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 03:32 (nine years ago) link
to the death, rockist scum
― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 03:42 (nine years ago) link
'Songstress' jfc
― Leonard Pine, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 04:57 (nine years ago) link
"I'll try to re record Realiti so u can have mp3s & I'll consider for album but i think I have better" https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/575141357200670720 can't wait to hear the better
― ufo, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 06:49 (nine years ago) link
this song sounds nice but I don't find it particularly strong, especially compared to her best previous material.I'm a bit surprised by the raving reactions here.I'm glad she, herself, didn't consider this song good enough for the album. It means there are better things to expect !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 11:04 (nine years ago) link
no come on this song is incredible
― Treeship, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
i've listened to it seven times already today
― Treeship, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 14:00 (nine years ago) link
this song is great ... reminds me of "vowels = space + time" (my fav song of hers) in that could be a pop song but it's too impressionistic, but not too impressionistic that it feels like she wasted an opportunity to make a good pop song (if that makes sense). it's a fine balance.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 10 March 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I love this and I was on the fence about Grimes' stuff before now (although I did like 'Genesis' a lot).
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
hum. I must be missing something...to me it's a nice album track or b-side (like these things still exist !). I like the production and arrangements but the songwriting isn't great.it's nowhere near Vanessa, Oblivion, Genesis... or Vowels which is much better !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 15:34 (nine years ago) link
oh is this lovely
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
this is eighties-madonna-good to me
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 16:11 (nine years ago) link
I feel this strange mix of crush and awe watching that vid
― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
love it, this thing needs to be a single like yesterday. video is crazy endearing
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
It's like watching the sweet girl from your summer camp mess hall table, the one who actually talks nicely to you even though you can barely get a word out and just stare meekly, suddenly get up on stage at the camp talent show and just destroy everyone
― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
hmm
― nose, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
I mean there is something about the way she manages to come off as unpolished yet is obviously an incredible dancer.
― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
A lot of that is in her vocals, I think. She lets them peter out and drift away, and especially on this song she seems to leave whole lines unfinished, like she's omitted whole words for you to fill in. Pretty powerful; the entire song feels like that climactic, inaudible whisper from Lost in Translation
― Evan R, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
throwing virtual vegetables at you for that post
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link
haha yeah I realized it was a little tacky after I clicked submit. But I do think it's an effective approach; leaving something undefined in a song that's otherwise so poppy and direct
― Evan R, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
imply a cowbell
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
but withhold it
I deserve the vegetables, my posts were way tackier
― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
srsly, you had some dreams to remember there for a minute, man alive.
― how's life, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 22:23 (nine years ago) link
i think it's just really exciting to hear her voice again, everyone is so otm about her impressionistic singing and production, let's hope the LP is out this year maybe
― flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 07:08 (nine years ago) link
So ecstatically good.I think it might be because I recently watched KOTOKO, but I'm getting a bit of a Cocco vibe from her these days.
― MatthewK, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 11:45 (nine years ago) link
Reminds me of this feeling when discovering Visions and being not quite sure what to make it but enjoying it and playing it over and over and over. I can't think of a Grimes that had lasting effect for me (maybe Vanessa?) but the first few tens listen are intensely satisfying.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
song is great (great), haven't yet bothered to watch the video
― 2-chords, a farfisa organ and peons to the lord (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
I, have not played a single track, this many times, in a day, since forever.
― MatthewK, Thursday, 12 March 2015 12:28 (nine years ago) link
love the whispered parts of this. and her dancing. and everything about her vocals. it's been a long time since i've felt this enthusiastic about an upcoming album.
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 March 2015 13:46 (nine years ago) link
i think she's the coolest person i know of
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 March 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link
i'm doing a four hour set on college radio this sunday and think i might play it every half hour
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 March 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
http://www.stereogum.com/1787656/grimes-says-that-she-isnt-scrapping-music-because-of-negative-reactions/news/
New jack antonoff collab on tomorrow night's Girls.
― how's life, Saturday, 14 March 2015 14:31 (nine years ago) link
whoa. almost sounds like a country song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt0IiGxNntw
― how's life, Sunday, 15 March 2015 12:46 (nine years ago) link
sheryl rae jepsen
― soyrev, Sunday, 15 March 2015 13:09 (nine years ago) link
REALiTi is on Spotify now btw.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link
Realiti is very good has a nice swing to it and considering she doesn't apparently have any help at all in production she uses her brilliant voice so smartly. One difference from her previous songs on realiti is that it seems a lot more clearly influenced by other music.
― Arctic Noon Auk, Sunday, 15 March 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
tbh her other music is influenced by some of her faves who haven't made it as big!
― mh, Sunday, 15 March 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
I'm all for Grimes making a pop crossover, but that Entropy song is so paint by numbers.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
yeah, it's ok but it's not thrilling the way realiti is. i'm not sure i am all for anyone crossing over for the sake of crossing over. what's the point?
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
i also don't think she is doing that, or thinking about her career in those terms. a song like realiti just sounds marketable because it is so polished, but it's still very much a grimes song.
someone just told me "isn't she like, if you've heard one of her songs, you've heard them all"?
― Arctic Noon Auk, Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
I could certainly do with fewer interjections of "Oh Baby" in her songs.
― Sanpaku, Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
y? i like the lyrics to realiti
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
do you think the song is referencing bowie's "once there were mountains on mountains" refrain on realiti? i think the song is kind of a rejoinder to that. bowie sings that he used to not be able to "come down" but now he doesn't think he can get back up. grimes is saying that you will always come down eventually -- so bowie's past feelings of invincibility were an illusion -- and life consists in climbing back up "every morning." seems like a winning attitude if you can maintain it.
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
I like the new song, even if it's not as distinctive or immediate as Realiti. I also like that her vocals seem to be clearer and more intelligible than usual (either that or a week of listening to Realiti has made me Grimes-fluent)
― Leonard Pine, Sunday, 15 March 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
the new song is pleasant though not as immediately gratifying as realiti. i'd been struggling to come to terms with the idea of grimes being influenced by artists like dolly parton, taylor swift and paramore so this helps somewhat to clarify those inspirations.
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Sunday, 15 March 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
also like "Go" entropy is a collab that I wouldn't read too much into re: new album
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Sunday, 15 March 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link
it's a one-off for a tv show that seems to be billed 'bleachers feat. grimes.' i think it's just a thing she did for fun and an easy check.
― soyrev, Monday, 16 March 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
soyrev OTM. This song played over the credits of tonight's episode of 'Girls'
― hurricane weather (forapper), Monday, 16 March 2015 01:37 (nine years ago) link
where it fit perfectly
― hurricane weather (forapper), Monday, 16 March 2015 01:38 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/xcTg53c.png
― gr8080, Monday, 16 March 2015 13:14 (nine years ago) link
I posted that to Facebook I think and got about as much engagement there as you got with it here.
― markers, Sunday, 22 March 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
it's a good tweet
― mh, Sunday, 22 March 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link
No mention of the tour with Lana Del Rey yet? Would have been great if it was Lana del Rey, Grimes, and Courtney Love all together on one bill.
― how's life, Thursday, 2 April 2015 23:17 (eight years ago) link
ГРАЙМС / dali partonVerified account@GrimezszOk the new Rihanna song is the best song I've ever heard yessss!!! Literally the sickest possible beat and vocal
Ok the new Rihanna song is the best song I've ever heard yessss!!! Literally the sickest possible beat and vocal
http://i.imgur.com/FiQ6Mvy.jpg
― Arctic Noon Auk, Thursday, 2 April 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link
Social media presence like it's designed to put you off her
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Thursday, 2 April 2015 23:47 (eight years ago) link
ILM thread like it's designed to put you off her.
― everything, Thursday, 2 April 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link
Yeah I like her despite these things
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 3 April 2015 00:50 (eight years ago) link
what in this thread would turn me off of her music or her sense of humor, idgi
― mh, Friday, 3 April 2015 00:55 (eight years ago) link
grimes is rare almost holy trifecta of good on twitter/good on instagram/good on tumblr
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Friday, 3 April 2015 01:01 (eight years ago) link
for a celeb her twitter is good, and personal, not just a PR arm. it's a mixture of
- i love call of duty/taylor swift/pokemon/dolly parton/x men/im a really normal geek not weird- cutesy weird platitudes, observations, inner thoughts- psychedelic elves and shit
but occasionally this
http://i.imgur.com/MTvA46p.png
― Auk stay woke (Arctic Noon Auk), Friday, 3 April 2015 10:16 (eight years ago) link
That last one's a bit hmmmmm, coming from her
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 3 April 2015 10:58 (eight years ago) link
Grimes being into ICP is like peak Grimes
― 龜, Monday, 13 April 2015 11:44 (eight years ago) link
can't wait for the day she pulls a hidden zipper on her Grimes costume and she was DJP all along
― mh, Monday, 13 April 2015 13:49 (eight years ago) link
Feeling the Enya influence more than ever on Realiti.
― dutch_justice, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 04:41 (eight years ago) link
great call
― soyrev, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 04:45 (eight years ago) link
So still no release date for the new album ?3 years is a very long time to follow up a successful first album (ok, still far from Stone Roses timing but still !)
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 09:30 (eight years ago) link
it was her third album
― Number None, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 10:00 (eight years ago) link
really ? solo ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 10:15 (eight years ago) link
ok so not stone roses comparison but guns n'roses, then !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 10:17 (eight years ago) link
a 3 year album cycle is fairly normal these days, even after debut/breakthrough albums like this
― ufo, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 11:11 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/587066373475450880 she's hoping to finish the album in the next month or so, so it's not too far away
― ufo, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 11:14 (eight years ago) link
yeah maybe... I must be old (school) !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 11:16 (eight years ago) link
ah ! that's good news !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 11:17 (eight years ago) link
and she might rush/surprise release it like Beyonce, MBV, Drake, etc !
realiti still destroys just about everything i've heard this year
― soyrev, Monday, 27 April 2015 12:23 (eight years ago) link
listening to it now!
― Treeship, Monday, 27 April 2015 12:51 (eight years ago) link
i've been listening to
very different from realiti, but still good. i might even like it more? idk. deserves more attention than i feel like it got, but then again people seemed to have forgotten about realiti not too long after it was released
― markers, Sunday, 3 May 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link
which is probably true about most songs people like on the internet in 2015
That link isn't working for me, what's the song called?
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 3 May 2015 23:13 (eight years ago) link
good song, weird comment section. I don't understand why so many fans feel betrayed whenever she releases something that isn't particularly weird/dark/experimental, as if a mnstrm pop song by Grimes is the equivalent of one of those Dune sequels written by Frank Herbert's son — "this isn't canon!" I didn't like 'Go' when I first heard it last year, but I didn't have a tantrum about how it was an ~unwise career move~ or whatever, and I don't want/expect everything on her next album to sound just like 'Realiti'.
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Sunday, 3 May 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link
(the song is Bleachers x Grimes 'Entropy', albvivertine)
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Sunday, 3 May 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link
perhaps i'm not discerning, or being immersed in ilm for so many years has made me less conscious of the genre of whatever song i'm listening to, but i don't really give a shit what kind of music she makes as long as it's good, and all of these one offs are good imo. her voice on "entropy" is fantastic.
― markers, Sunday, 3 May 2015 23:34 (eight years ago) link
I basically agree with all that, though I still haven't come around to 'Go'. of all the artists I currently follow, Grimes is the one I'm least eager to read reviews/comments/thinkpieces/ilx clusterfucks about (which are pretty easy to ignore, tbh). she really does sound great in this song.
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Monday, 4 May 2015 00:02 (eight years ago) link
Grimes rules can't wait to hear whatever she does.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 4 May 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link
unfortunately, i barely care about music at this point in my life -- something i need to remedy, but i still follow her career
― markers, Monday, 4 May 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link
then again people seemed to have forgotten about realiti not too long after it was released
have they? i haven't rly been paying attention to the zeitgeist but i think i would be comfortable calling "realiti" the best song grimes has ever made
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Monday, 4 May 2015 00:39 (eight years ago) link
:(
xpost - I'm sort of the opposite: at this point I wish I were slightly less obsessed with music so that I'd have more time & energy for hobbies. too much of my life is spent buying/slsking/listening to/reading about music out of habit because that's how I've spent large chunks of my free time since I was a teenager. maybe I should try speed-reading Knausgaard for a change?
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Monday, 4 May 2015 00:43 (eight years ago) link
*other hobbies
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Monday, 4 May 2015 00:45 (eight years ago) link
monotony: at least as far as ilxors go, i feel like people expressed positive feelings about it for a very brief period of time -- maybe a day -- and then i don't really recall many people, if anyone, mentioning it again, but they may have, and people outside of ilx might have been talking about it for a longer period of time, but, again, there's always new music coming out and how long are people going to spend focused on one song anyway
unreg: do whatever makes you happy! i don't know what happened to me and music, but i've just been much more into reading lately. actually, i kind of fell off the music bandwagon years ago, unfortunately... which is weird because i used to spend a lot of money on records. i kind of think i should get back into it, but i'm not even that really amped to do so
― markers, Monday, 4 May 2015 01:02 (eight years ago) link
I'll be happy if I can just make it through the last ≈150 pages of Lilith's Brood (which I've been waffling over for about a week now). in my experience the worst thing you can do when you begin losing interest in books/music is to deliberately work your way through a required reading/listening list. I still get burned out on music occasionally, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was when I made an effort to keep up with new releases. (of course there are some artists I'll want to follow in real time no matter how scattered my listening habits become...)
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Monday, 4 May 2015 01:52 (eight years ago) link
"realiti" is my favorite song of the year so far (probably will be my #1 by the end of the year) and i listen to it at least once every day
― j. winters (josh), Monday, 4 May 2015 02:15 (eight years ago) link
i think people are going to kill us for going off topic, so i'll just tie this up by saying that if i don't force myself to sit down and listen to music sometime soon it's really possible that the majority of my listening is going to be whatever i hear on the radio when i'm in the car. i barely listen to music at home. sometimes in the morning when i'm cleaning. that's it. it's insane compared to what it was when i was in college, but that's where it's at, and i don't know how that changes without some sort of concerted effort
― markers, Monday, 4 May 2015 02:15 (eight years ago) link
alright, so not everyone just forgot about it i guess!
http://i.imgur.com/PzvCgd2.jpg?1
~3/12/15 never forget~
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Monday, 4 May 2015 02:20 (eight years ago) link
That is cool you should not feel pressured to listen to music, I think nowadays there is so much music, if you go anywhere public you are inundated with music, it is nice to take a break now and then. Plus, when you hear something that you are really into, it will be all that much more special!
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 4 May 2015 02:31 (eight years ago) link
Yah, love REALiTi, definitely one of the tracks of the year imo. It's difficult to know how register whether people are talking about it or not. It regularly appears on the ILM 2015 faves thread for whatever that's worth.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 4 May 2015 08:00 (eight years ago) link
i'd say it easily garnered the most enthusiasm and positive consensus of any song she's released from people i follow on twitter. i'm sure people will continue talking about it once the infrastructure surrounding the upcoming album comes out.
― j. winters (josh), Monday, 4 May 2015 08:09 (eight years ago) link
yeahhh i feel like "reaiti" left a lasting impression for sure. comfortably on track to make my 2k15 songs list
― soyrev, Monday, 4 May 2015 08:12 (eight years ago) link
Great video as well.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 4 May 2015 08:34 (eight years ago) link
Realiti ws instantly memorable and lovely but it's also a real grower, which is p cool
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Monday, 4 May 2015 10:23 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I'm just letting on this thread waiting for the next spot of info following realiti. I didn't like the bleachers song much, but whatever. This is one of the only threads I have bookmarked these days, specifically in case one of y'all gets new grimes info before I do. Looks like all those new answers were a false alarm this time though.
― how's life, Monday, 4 May 2015 10:32 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/281468m.png
3/12/15, n'oublie jamais
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
eheh. vive le quebec libre ! (she 's not from quebec, though, is she ?)
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
had to check p4k to see if that was the cover of her new album
― flappy bird, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
Vancouver, BC, of Québécois, Ukrainian and Russian descent.
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
i listen to REALiTi p much every day
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:54 (eight years ago) link
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:56 (eight years ago) link
yeah, it's really a great song
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:59 (eight years ago) link
i do too.
― soyrev, Saturday, 16 May 2015 04:24 (eight years ago) link
uh huh
― MatthewK, Saturday, 16 May 2015 11:45 (eight years ago) link
So...new album in October...
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Monday, 25 May 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link
Awesome, looking forward.
― austinato (Austin), Monday, 25 May 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link
YAAAAAAAAAS
― j. winters (josh), Monday, 25 May 2015 06:01 (eight years ago) link
curious to hear her doing a "real instruments"-focused record in 2015, high hopes
― soyrev, Monday, 25 May 2015 07:26 (eight years ago) link
"Real instruments" ? That's the concept of the new album ? As for the release date, surely it will leak or be rush released before, won't it ? Do big/heavily anticipated albums still make it to the official release date ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 25 May 2015 09:00 (eight years ago) link
so says she: https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/602328389601644544
and nah she's planning a surprise release, prob will drop online soon as it's finished
― soyrev, Monday, 25 May 2015 09:29 (eight years ago) link
Breaking: grimes surprises everyone with announcement of surprise album release that she will release unexpected a few months from now
― Karl Malone, Monday, 25 May 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link
the good old October Surprise, named because it's announced in May
― some dude, Monday, 25 May 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link
lol yeah that did seem a bit silly to me. maybe even moreso than kanye saying his album is mostly finished and will get a surprise drop soon, all the while playing multiple singles live, announcing album title changes, etc
― soyrev, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link
"Real instruments" ? That's the concept of the new album ?
It's her Random Access Memories!
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Monday, 25 May 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Knowing grimes she probably did this with tongue in cheek
― 龜, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
"surprise release" means "exact release date not announced ahead of time"
calm down
― james brooks, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link
im excited
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 00:07 (eight years ago) link
james pls give us the inside scoop
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 00:27 (eight years ago) link
In any case, new Grimes before the year is out. I'm happy.
― austinato (Austin), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 01:13 (eight years ago) link
ㅋ
― soyrev, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link
I can't relax when there's an unexpected release sometime in October
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 03:27 (eight years ago) link
Just try to relax, and the release will happen. Happens to everyone sometime.
― MatthewK, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 12:33 (eight years ago) link
http://www.thefader.com/2015/07/28/grimes-cover-story-interview
― carly bae jepsen (monotony), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link
its always interesting to me abt creative ppl having to like remember to eat
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:13 (eight years ago) link
― johnny crunch, Friday, May 15, 2015 11:54 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I still do btw
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:14 (eight years ago) link
i struggle to remember to eat but i suck at shit compared to grimes :'D
and yeah just listened to "realiti" today, and last week (it's p much the ultimate rainy humid asian summer song), i think i said upthread something along the lines of it being the most replayable thing i've heard this year and i'm also standing by that vibe
― soyrev, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
I want to watch Star Wars w Grimes.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
Grimes' mom, @Garossino is a good person to follow on Twitter, especially if you live in Vancouver (she's the editor of a progressive political news website) (in which Grimes makes the occasional cameo).
― everything, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
She is a genius
― Treeship, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 17:48 (eight years ago) link
can't wait for the “diss track about male producers”
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
REALiTi making it to Starbucks playlist but still no release?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:24 (eight years ago) link
I typed something for a dumb survey at the end of 2013 about Grimes that I was really proud of that I'd like to post if you'd indulge me!
Q: Did you take part in the ice bucket challenge? If not, why not? Grimes declined due to animal testing issues, was the grief she got for that deserved?
Do you think people deserve grief? Do you give people grief when they deserve it? I hope to relieve people of their grief. For a long time I had this theory: the impossibility of a female Kurt Cobain. What he represents, leaning against the system and yet supported by consumers, there was no woman in the world that could command the masses so utterly. The music industry, the male-biased music consuming populace wouldn't let her. This thing I've been stewing about since I saw Grimes play to 20 people in 2011, and started reading her Tumblr, and then really starting feeling when "Oblivion" came out, is that Claire is the closest thing we have to a female Kurt Cobain, smart enough to understand the system but righteous enough to wall-jump away from it. But also, interestingly, what an inversion her approach is to Kurt's. His pose was anti-establishment, her pose is post-structural. He was rigorous, she is always looking outward, game for genre-experimentation and hilarity. I feel like even if I don't like her music, and I do so far, I will always feel like she's several steps ahead of me, several books ahead of me, and that makes me feel really fucking good. Anyone who gives her grief about anything can kick rocks.
― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link
nice
a friend of mine subletted her room when she moved out of montreal, she told me some girl named claire had lived there before and made music in the room, but i only found out later it was *that* claire, and only found out while reading that fader interview just now that she recorded visions in it. it was a super small, no window bedroom in a p nast mile-ex apartment on parc
― flopson, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link
not a crucial thread detour but: i thought mile ex was way east of parc
& fgti otmthe scale on which she practices the genre-experimentation-&-hilarity thing is really inspirational
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
way east of parc? mile ex is the interzone between mile end and parc ex. north of bernard south of jean talon, from like parc to clark
― flopson, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
ohh right, right. i think i was thinking of parc ex. thank you.
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 30 July 2015 00:00 (eight years ago) link
yr welcome but uh parc ex is west of parc (& north of beaumont) ;-) lol
― flopson, Thursday, 30 July 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link
how about a thread for every time you listen to realiti and it's awesome? currently listening, it's awesome!
― niels, Monday, 10 August 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
― five six and (man alive), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
How bout a thread for when there's a pre-order available. The suspense is killing me.
― how's life, Monday, 10 August 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
I know it's not as simple as this makes it sound, but it amazes me that this is among the scrapped material. The part where it plunged into and back out of an underground tunnel is just a+++
― Tim F, Monday, 10 August 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link
technicality but mile ex is north of the van horne viaduc, not bernard. that part is still officialy plateau (and thus the mile end).
also Realiti is still great.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 10 August 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
Technicaliti
― Tim F, Monday, 10 August 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link
i'm still listening to realiti most days (twice today) and it's still great. (and yeah, pretty wild that it's something she seemingly just threw out into the world as a no-expectation stopgap)
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 10 August 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link
― Tim F, Monday, August 10, 2015 6:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Every morning there are viaducs to climb
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 15:08 (eight years ago) link
realiti
bump
― 1994 ball boy (Karl Malone), Saturday, 22 August 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
Interview in Entertainment Weekly?
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/26/grimes-new-album?hootPostID=be69b17bf649648291acf17c872a52dc
― how's life, Thursday, 27 August 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
Realiti has become my go-to workout booster when my energy starts to sag. Every morning there are mountains to climb.
― five six and (man alive), Thursday, 27 August 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
By popular demand, I did try to remake “Realiti” and it is really good now. I’m considering putting it on the record. I had to re-produce it for the live show anyway. I don’t like “Realiti,” but everybody else does. I may put it on by popular demand, I don’t know.
Wonder if that song could possibly be improved upon
― niels, Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
srsly
― five six and (man alive), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
I don’t like “Realiti,”
she seems to like it in the video!
― 1994 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
she shouldn't put it on the record if she doesn't like it though
just make your perfect grimesz record, fuck the fans!
i'm assuming she reads my posts
― 1994 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
agreed
― welltris (crüt), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
yeah i think it was perfect, curious to hear the remake if she prefers it but maybe as a b-side? i'd prefer her not to compromise for us, too
― soyrev, Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
One of the strangest things to me is her earlier comments that it didn't *sound* that good, as though it were some patchy demo and not the sonic marvel that it is.
― five six and (man alive), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
I fear we're setting ourselves up to be disappointed by the album. Perhaps what we liked about Grimes is precisely what she's trying to overcome.
― cryptic 'failure of bread' (Sanpaku), Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:04 (eight years ago) link
I think she's trolling hard.
― how's life, Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:06 (eight years ago) link
#trustgrimes
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Friday, 28 August 2015 13:57 (eight years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/61184-grimes-announces-rhinestone-cowgirls-tour/
― how's life, Monday, 14 September 2015 13:59 (eight years ago) link
very excited to finally see The Grimes
― flappy bird, Saturday, 19 September 2015 15:16 (eight years ago) link
https://instagram.com/p/7zmS38jfre/?taken-by=actuallygrimes
― flappy bird, Saturday, 19 September 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link
heads up, Europe
http://pitchfork.com/news/61489-grimes-announces-acd-reign-european-tour/
― how's life, Monday, 5 October 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link
is she good live? will realiti be even better?
― niels, Monday, 5 October 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/28/pop-for-misfits
― gr8080, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link
album any day now, right? can't wait to see her next month
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link
“I like building expectations, and then stressing people out by explicitly not doing the thing,”
imo album comes out next year
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
Last time she mentioned anything, it was supposed to be a surprise drop in October, right?
― how's life, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link
xp lol
i think it'll come out this month, or right before her tour next month. she posted a photo on her instagram a couple weeks ago of the ASCAP or BMI registry credits, so it's in the can
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
she's going to leak a fake album
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link
Like Ben Folds did that one time?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
Grimes pre-covers Grimes.
― how's life, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
she said on twitter she's almost finished editing the video for the first single & that the album's going to be out shortly after that so it seems pretty certain
― ufo, Thursday, 8 October 2015 00:53 (eight years ago) link
any day now...
― flappy bird, Monday, 12 October 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
I sure hope so.
― austinato (Austin), Monday, 12 October 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
i have a feeling it's gonna drop sometime this week
― j. winters (josh), Monday, 12 October 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
bumping for the breaking news of the album release
I wonder when we will get that
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 12 October 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
well, since she told people it would be out in a particular month, i hope she realizes that if the album doesn't materialize by the end of the month her fanbase may turn into raging entitled babies like Frank Ocean's did
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 01:40 (eight years ago) link
yeah but she's going on tour
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 01:46 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRsEmWxUYAAob4j.jpglead single is "Flesh Without Blood" out next week
― ufo, Monday, 19 October 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link
Here we go.
― how's life, Monday, 19 October 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
ah. very Grimes-esque cover !so the title of the album is "100 million $ art angels" ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 19 October 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
no, the full title of the album is "art angels No. 4 2080 1000,00000 $ art angels grimes <3 <3 <3"
― 1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 October 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
ahah
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 19 October 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
Hooray!
― austinato (Austin), Monday, 19 October 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
features a song about Al Pacino as transgender vampire
a lil too Momus for my tastes
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 19 October 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 19 October 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1484956/grimes%20only%20for%20n64.png
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 19 October 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
kewl cover
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Sunday, 25 October 2015 02:47 (eight years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/61781-grimes-performs-new-songs-at-beach-goth-festival/
― how's life, Monday, 26 October 2015 13:41 (eight years ago) link
here we go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv9YoYCKNoE
― how's life, Monday, 26 October 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
Hell yes.
― austinato (Austin), Monday, 26 October 2015 19:43 (eight years ago) link
― nomar, Monday, 26 October 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
video conceived as and destined to become an endless series of gifs. the second track feels like a bit of a throwaway, but so far I'm down.
― fffv, Monday, 26 October 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
Hmm, I'm not too psyched that she went with that clichéd pop song chord progression/structure.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
that strategy worked well on Realiti
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
Realiti was so sonically engrossing though
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
first time i listened to this i wasn't partic compelled but for some reason on the second go around i was
― nomar, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
flesh without blood sounds like an annie track
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
REALITI IS ON ART ANGELS Y'ALL (the CD and digital versions at least)
― j. winters (josh), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
i was looking closely at the vinyl packing and i don't see 'realiti' there...might have to get both if it's on one and not the other
― nomar, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:10 (eight years ago) link
http://archive.matadorrecords.com/images/store_images/art_angels_1.jpg
Grimes does Annie is just about everything I've ever wanted. My assumption is that the rest of the album won't be that at all, which I'm also psyched about.
― fffv, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:11 (eight years ago) link
first time i listened to this i wasn't partic compelled but for some reason on the second go around i was― nomar, Monday, October 26, 2015 1:02 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― nomar, Monday, October 26, 2015 1:02 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I also experienced this calibration
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:15 (eight years ago) link
first song of hers where all of the lyrics are all clearly distinguishable? screams aside i meanneed a gif of the badminton racquet dancing hippie
― dutch_justice, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link
good song
let's not talk about chord progressions
― J0rdan S., Monday, 26 October 2015 20:18 (eight years ago) link
ok well 'reality' isn't on the vinyl afaict, based on this link:
http://4ad.com/app/webroot/buy/artangels/
― nomar, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:21 (eight years ago) link
legit lead single, go Grimes!
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link
the realiti on the album is different than the demo version
― J0rdan S., Monday, 26 October 2015 20:24 (eight years ago) link
both are on the cd, though
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
(and neither on the lp, as nomar said)
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
good song terrible video
― niels, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link
:D
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link
im excited for this album, i've heard it's great
― J0rdan S., Monday, 26 October 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, October 26, 2015 3:18 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
booo
― i know when that chandler bing (Jordan), Monday, 26 October 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link
This is great, still not paying £30+ for a balcony seat to see her though. My own fault for snoozing and not getting standing tickets :-/
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 26 October 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link
I like it, but part of me kind of wishes there for there to be a ripping a guitar solo in there, but I guess this is what you get with an artist who hasn't had as much experience with a guitar before.
― MarkoP, Monday, 26 October 2015 23:44 (eight years ago) link
way 2 make grimes sound like a 5 yr old
― crime breeze (schlump), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 00:39 (eight years ago) link
i think we can all agree that every song would be better with a ripping guitar solo in it
― 1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 00:44 (eight years ago) link
4AD says: out digitally November 6, Janelle Monae is on it
― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 00:47 (eight years ago) link
v bummed if no realiti on the lp but there are typos in the 4ad thing so knows
― crime breeze (schlump), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 01:18 (eight years ago) link
I'm still missing the Claire Hamill x Richard D. James quality I so admired about the less poppy parts of Visions.
― ☸ (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link
IDK, something a little basic about those two tracks, like it has more than hints of the swedish pop machine. Still has some good grimesian touches and not bad overall. Looking forward to hearing the rest.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 01:31 (eight years ago) link
I for one am shocked and disappointed the qualities that Grimes explored on Visions' non-singles are not as present on the first single for her new album.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 01:32 (eight years ago) link
oh claire hamill is so greati never thought of her in relation to grimes
every stray industrial percussive sound on this is a blessing
― crime breeze (schlump), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 03:26 (eight years ago) link
yeah not thrilled, we already have good synthy pop out there, do we need another one? didn't listen to the second song.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 03:59 (eight years ago) link
flesh without blood isn't as good as realiti but it's still quite nice, love that she's taken the feel of the percussion from realiti further.
don't really care for life in the vivid dream but i guess it'll probably fit as more of an interlude in the album.
https://youtu.be/svT2miDOc4M very disappointed she's confirmed that this isn't on the album
― ufo, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 04:26 (eight years ago) link
hum. disappointing first single... I hope the rest of the album is more inspired.
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:31 (eight years ago) link
Everything about this "era" has been brilliant so far. Great songs, hilarious cover, Grimes wearing wings and clutching a bloody dress.
― Leonard Pine, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
lol, yesterday I was thinking "weird, I already can't remember how it goes, not very catchy at all" and then suddenly just now it popped out of my brain again like Alien.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link
new song is great
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 02:16 (eight years ago) link
this pops into my head unexpectadly
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link
love this, just as addictive as realiti
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 28 October 2015 02:47 (eight years ago) link
growing on me fast
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 03:11 (eight years ago) link
get not wanting her to be this straightforwardly pop all the time but have watched this like a dozen times today
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 03:18 (eight years ago) link
still way-recognizably her imo, brought into simple focus
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 03:19 (eight years ago) link
After a few listens it becomes interesting just to focus on the interplay between her trademark touches and the straightforward popness.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 03:20 (eight years ago) link
I think I got a little worried at first when I heard the "ay-ayee-yay" and that melodic tic on "I don't SEE THE LIGHT" that's in so many songs.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 03:24 (eight years ago) link
uncontrolable
― crime breeze (schlump), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 03:42 (eight years ago) link
I know I've already been yellowcarded about music geekery here but I love the way she goes out of key on that one note in "I - don't - care a-a-nymore"
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 03:46 (eight years ago) link
yes, I love that too
― NATION: ? ? ? (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 04:08 (eight years ago) link
ok i'm 100% onboard with this song now, i just keep playing it
― nomar, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link
so this song is basically about fans/critics who don't want her to go pop, right?
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
fans/critics being anal retentive again.
― wmlynch, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 23:32 (eight years ago) link
i read that wrong.
― wmlynch, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link
http://www.gorillavsbear.net/preview-another-new-track-from-grimes-scream-featuring-taiwanese-rapper-aristophanes/
― dutch_justice, Friday, 30 October 2015 04:22 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUe9rnucPoU
― dutch_justice, Friday, 30 October 2015 05:29 (eight years ago) link
Now I don't know what to think.
― Tim F, Friday, 30 October 2015 07:30 (eight years ago) link
album's gonna rule
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Friday, 30 October 2015 07:59 (eight years ago) link
this is bad
― adam, Friday, 30 October 2015 11:23 (eight years ago) link
― crime breeze (schlump), Tuesday, October 27, 2015 11:42 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark
― 龜, Friday, 30 October 2015 11:30 (eight years ago) link
this is extremely good
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 October 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 30 October 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link
OK that just took a turn for the AWESOME.
― Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Friday, 30 October 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link
Aristophanes Leopard Cat rapping about Lao Tzu and Nietzsche meeting on a mountain top.
― Sanpaku, Friday, 30 October 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link
haha I'm glad there's a song like this on an album called Art Angels. I can't even tell she's singing on this, but she definitely feels of this.
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 30 October 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
not super into this (mostly due to the guitars) but i respect the titular scream.
― expertly crafted referential display name (Jordan), Friday, 30 October 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link
however:
― 龜, Friday, October 30, 2015 6:30 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that track is kind of weird but I will try to let it sink in given my 180 on FWB. Something kind of late 90s about it in a way I can't quite place.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
Maybe Art Angels : Visions :: Sucker : True Romance
― Tim F, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:24 (eight years ago) link
nah
― james brooks, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link
ok scream is pretty bad
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Saturday, 31 October 2015 02:55 (eight years ago) link
I like it
― welltris (crüt), Saturday, 31 October 2015 04:04 (eight years ago) link
the backlash is inevitable..
― mickcsmith (micarl), Saturday, 31 October 2015 07:44 (eight years ago) link
Scream has just ratcheted up my expectations several notches. The idea that this album might actually be brilliant hadn't really occurred to me before now.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 31 October 2015 12:22 (eight years ago) link
Out on Mischief Night, nice.
Throw it on your Halloween party mixes, ILM.
― hurricane weather (forapper), Saturday, 31 October 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
Someone who speaks Chinese... please tell us whether the lyrics make sense!
― hurricane weather (forapper), Saturday, 31 October 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
From yt comments:
Scream (English Translation)The screams that are buried in the lungsBuried in the bones and the musclesUnexploded, undeniableCram into a sicknessWhat used to be dry is now soddenSwollen, meaty, moist and juicyMy teeth are bouncing off itA woman pulls out the headful of black hair with her bare handsWalks along the mountain ridges in a dreamRemembrance swarms like mosquitosOpening up the unfocused eyesAs if… Quick, spread the legs without desire wideI take a bite, are you still unmovedYou can scream outTracing along your spineMy fingers created a cold lakeI look around, no one is guardingThe exhibitionist takes out his coat and jumps into it with tears on his face.
I planned to record your scream as you reached orgasmBut then realize that I’ve pressed the wrong buttonThe moment has been lost, irretrievableYou lie thereStruggling with the body fluid that is getting coldSticky, transparent, elastic flowers in my palmI’m not satisfied; I want to squeeze more out of your bodyThe telephone rings at this momentA herd of deer run past the window and at the same timeBlue winds are dispelled so quickly, wiping out the foams on the margin of the worldEscaping from your half-opened eyesPicking up the phone, silence comesThe desire just awoken breathes and screams in the receiverAs I listen I lick away every drop of your sweat.hookIf you can’t scream then swallow it down.
― hurricane weather (forapper), Saturday, 31 October 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
scream is cool
― flopson, Saturday, 31 October 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link
it would be better if there was a part sung by grimes though
― flopson, Saturday, 31 October 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
Terrific single.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 October 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
so good
― nomar, Saturday, 31 October 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link
The screams are by Grimes, apparently :)
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 31 October 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
i'm seeing grimes tonight for halloween!! might report back
― j. winters (josh), Saturday, 31 October 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
wow what an abstract costume
― latebloomer, Saturday, 31 October 2015 20:15 (eight years ago) link
"Flesh without Blood" is so good that I almost want to cry
― Ina-Garten-Da-Vida (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 02:09 (eight years ago) link
this song is so, so pretty
it's the best thing she's done imo
― flopson, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 03:26 (eight years ago) link
Nah realiti is still better
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 03:41 (eight years ago) link
realiti is imo the best song of the year but this isn't far behind.
― nomar, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 03:43 (eight years ago) link
surprised by the love for these 2 tracks. I guess the new album won't be for me.good for her, anyway !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 09:38 (eight years ago) link
spoilers: "california" on this album really goes for the wind-in-hair route 101 pop chorus. i wonder if she thought about phantom planet. title track a lil bit like something on ray of light, ballad after it a lil bit like something on music. nothing else as abrasive as the way-rad "scream" but "kill v maim" (lol) nicely dense and cocky. for some reason whenever i see or hear her i feel inspired, it is an unusual feeling.
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 02:11 (eight years ago) link
leak?
― flopson, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 02:52 (eight years ago) link
4ad is down at the moment, so... will the vinyl version not feature Realiti? The cd version lists it twice as track 10 and track 15 realiti demo as a bonus track.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
Oh, here we go:
Please Note: Digital MP3 and FLAC will be available for purchase and will be released on November 6th, 2015.Physical CD, Cassette and LP are slated for release on December 11th. Due to industry wide manufacturing delays at record pressing plants its possible the LP will be released at a later date, we will update when more information is available.Spanning over 14 tracks, the new album features collaborations with Janelle Monáe and newcomer, Taiwanese rapper Aristophanes. It was recorded primarily in her home studio in Los Angeles, CA, where she relocated to in 2014. Like all of her previous albums, ‘Art Angels’ was written and recorded entirely as a solo endeavor. The new album features more live instrumentation than ever before on a Grimes record. She plays piano, guitar and violin, continuing her evolution as a musician and a producer for her most ambitious album to date. Tracklisting:1. laughing and not being normal2. California3. SCREAM ft. Aristophanes4. Flesh without Blood5. Belly of the Beat6. Kill V. Maim7. Artangels8. Easily9. Pin10. Realiti^11. World Princess part II12. Venus Fly ft. Janelle Monáe13. Life in the Vivid Dream14. Butterfly15. Realiti (Demo)* ^ - CD and digital only* - CD only
Physical CD, Cassette and LP are slated for release on December 11th. Due to industry wide manufacturing delays at record pressing plants its possible the LP will be released at a later date, we will update when more information is available.
Spanning over 14 tracks, the new album features collaborations with Janelle Monáe and newcomer, Taiwanese rapper Aristophanes. It was recorded primarily in her home studio in Los Angeles, CA, where she relocated to in 2014. Like all of her previous albums, ‘Art Angels’ was written and recorded entirely as a solo endeavor. The new album features more live instrumentation than ever before on a Grimes record. She plays piano, guitar and violin, continuing her evolution as a musician and a producer for her most ambitious album to date. Tracklisting:1. laughing and not being normal2. California3. SCREAM ft. Aristophanes4. Flesh without Blood5. Belly of the Beat6. Kill V. Maim7. Artangels8. Easily9. Pin10. Realiti^11. World Princess part II12. Venus Fly ft. Janelle Monáe13. Life in the Vivid Dream14. Butterfly15. Realiti (Demo)* ^ - CD and digital only* - CD only
that sucks :S
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
They should at least add it as a 7" it will probably be the best song in here.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link
apparently she changed Realiti a bit.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:09 (eight years ago) link
And apparently neither version is on the vinyl version :(
This leaked a couple of minutes ago btw.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link
New Realiti is pretty much an extended version of the demo, she adds an opening, poppier sounding verse. Not sure how I feel about it I was used to the demo version.
World Princess is the highlight on first listen but this is way too pop compared to her previous albums. Sounds like something like Kelly Clarkson. Backlash will be inevitable.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
Sounds like something like Kelly Clarkson
hell yeah
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:34 (eight years ago) link
cannot wait
― nomar, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:34 (eight years ago) link
leak is a particularly shitty rip
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:36 (eight years ago) link
it really is
"kill v. maim" is completely great
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:43 (eight years ago) link
and the studio version of "realiti" is kind of a headscratcher
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link
she turned it into a banger... I preferred it as the more downbeat melancholic demo version but I wouldn't call it a disappointment.
I'm not sure how I feel about this polished version of Grimes. It sounds good and there's some interesting ideas but it kind of lost that bedroom quality that set her apart. I can't make up my mind.
Lovers of early 00s pop will probably love this. At times it sounds like Kelly Clarkson and Gwen Stefani and Nelly Furtado and Britney Spears.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link
Kill V Maim will be the 2nd video/single and California the 3rd.
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/660234327049965569
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
At times it sounds like Kelly Clarkson and Gwen Stefani and Nelly Furtado and Britney Spears.
i just finished listening to it and i think you're overstating this
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 22:16 (eight years ago) link
Maybe it's an overstatement... I don't know. Just the opening minute of Kill V Maim:
0:00-0:30 = Kelly Clarkson-esque0:40-1:00 = I'm definitely hearing Gwen Stefani.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 22:26 (eight years ago) link
Ok, maybe the Kelly Clarkson is a bit of an overstatement. I correct myself:
At times it sounds like Charli XCX and Gwen Stefani and Nelly Furtado
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
laughing and not being normal is such a great song title
― marcos, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 23:18 (eight years ago) link
this will be amazing
The title track and Easily sound like something off of Impossible Princess.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 5 November 2015 00:33 (eight years ago) link
track 14 on fever was also called butterfly iirc
― james brooks, Thursday, 5 November 2015 00:38 (eight years ago) link
Excited to hear this. I haven't really kept up with Grimes lately, but I read this thread the other night, and now I've been playing both "Realiti" and "Flesh Without Blood" on repeat.
― jaymc, Thursday, 5 November 2015 05:24 (eight years ago) link
listening to this in proper quality, it's mostly great. a bit surprised by how summery most of it is after her talk of 90s alt influences & guitar etc. but that's not bad at all. highlights are probably Flesh Without Blood, Kill v Maim, Artangels, and Butterfly?
the start of the album is a bit messy - Scream feels very out of place sequenced where it is & Belly of the Beat feels a bit half-formed?
the new version of Realiti doesn't match the demo's swirl but I like the new synth line in the outro, it's fine, though the demo is still probably the best thing she's done.
― ufo, Thursday, 5 November 2015 13:49 (eight years ago) link
really love Butterfly
― mingalaba, Friday, 6 November 2015 12:07 (eight years ago) link
Oh shit! I forgot this came out today and didn't download it to my ipod. shit shit shit.
― how's life, Friday, 6 November 2015 12:19 (eight years ago) link
demo realiti is the best song of maybe several years? otoh the rest of this didn't really grab me and poss i don't really 'like' grimes otherwise cuz visions never did anything for me either
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 November 2015 12:56 (eight years ago) link
"kill v. maim" revealing itself as the best song ever
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 November 2015 14:45 (eight years ago) link
this is going to be a really polarizing album, but on balance i'm sure it will bring her many, many new fans. i guess i'm on the "it's not for me" side of things. i dunno. Visions was next on the playlist after I listened this morning, and it's just so much better to my ears. something like Vowels=Space+Time feels like a different (better) universe than artangels. it's not like she got bad at making music or anything, she just seems to have moved into an area of pop that i don't care about
― Karl Malone, Friday, 6 November 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
^ pretty much where i'm at with this thing too
― circa1916, Friday, 6 November 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link
i have irrational sadness because i want to be on the same page as grimes.
i guess i'll always have the flaming swordhttp://38.media.tumblr.com/da1f00c8ddd6af544fbe21cc36e888b3/tumblr_mxgcjaGKLc1s5gs1ho1_250.gif
― Karl Malone, Friday, 6 November 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
same here. I loved Visions but nothing grabs me in the new album. Although I didn't really like anything she released since Visions, I still had hope that there would be some great stuff to come... I only listened to it once, though. Maybe it will grow...
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 6 November 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
i think there's something to how the one song she originally said definitely wouldn't be on the album is the best thing song she's ever done. as much as visions sounded occasionally unfinished, parts of this sound both overcooked and underwritten. i generally like it, but the standouts ("kill v. maim," "flesh without blood," "pin," "butterfly") tower over the rest of the record.
tbh it'll probably grow on me
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
i mean essentially it's a grimes record: not all of it works but it's fun to live in
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
if nothing else, flesh w/out blood + realiti will be on my playlists for a long time, so i shouldn't whine too much
― Karl Malone, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
Something about this record smells of ghost writing and production assistance to me, in spite of the deliberate "GRIMES/GRIMES/GRIMES" credit shot that was posted -- it just feels like too much of a departure from her past stuff, and feels so much more "pro," mostly in a way I don't like so far.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
ofl it's a bit thn
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link
i have no reason to believe she got production assistance (and that would be shitty given her stance on such things), i do have a strong suspicion she got really wrapped up in making this sound super profesh and lost the plot.
the new realiti is not the departure i was expecting but it contains about a dozen production choices that never needed to be made.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link
I know it's a tired thing to complain about in 2015, but a lot of the vocals are over-autotuned and over-reverbed, and it kills some of the flavor of her voice.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
it just feels like too much of a departure from her past stuff, and feels so much more "pro," mostly in a way I don't like so far.
probably just a result of learning how to engineer better, taking the time to do it, and having the resources for better gear instead of 1 keyboard + GarageBand? also it's probably impossible not to write & produce differently after playing giant festivals for a few years.
― expertly crafted referential display name (Jordan), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
(i'm not really feeling it either so far, but want to give it some time)
― expertly crafted referential display name (Jordan), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
The realiti thing is so weird to me, I thought her production on the "demo" version was genius, and I can't stand the album version.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
Seems really really "ILX totally in character" to be hating on a really fun album because it's not the same as the last one?
(With a nasty side order of "I liked her so much better when she couldn't really play" no matter how ill-founded.)
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
cool
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
For the most part, I'm really enjoying the album, but while I always liked "Genesis" and "Oblivion," I've never really felt ~invested~ in Grimes, and I don't think I'd heard the "Realiti" demo until a few days ago. So, y'know.
― jaymc, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
tbf, I literally hate fun
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link
Something about this record smells of ghost writing and production assistance to me, in spite of the deliberate "GRIMES/GRIMES/GRIMES" credit shot that was posted
this belongs in the comment section of youtube, not on ilx
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 6 November 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link
uh I think it's weird that a critique of this record could be "she got better at engineering." this record sounds great and I'm really into that. (I think the title track is a great example—it sounds both crisp and dreamy)
of course I also think the degree of the "departure" here is being overstated. i recognize the songcraft of visions 100 percent here. there's just a lot more guitar
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
yeah i mean... if someone goes 3 and a half years between records and talks up learning new skills and acquiring new equipment and then you instantly attribute any leap in fidelity to ghostwriting that's pretty shitty
― some dude, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
Yeah I guess. Mostly I just don't like the aesthetic choices on this one so far, but I'll give it more time.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
Well, for me, the main (only ?) problem is that I don't find any great melodies and hooks on the new album while there were plenty on Visions.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
Not saying "no way she could have gotten this much 'better'" -- I don't think it's better! I just think it sounds a lot closer to a lot of modern radio pop that IS largely produced/written/shaped by the same handful of people. If she wanted something closer to that sound, she achieved it. I don't like the sound.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link
Could just be my mood, but the perkiness of this is cutting right through me.
Visions conveyed that same sense of joy, but muted it, and that record's character came from how her enthusiasm fought its way to the surface of these sort of sad songs. It was like the songs had to fight their way out of their shell, and when they did it felt really satisfying and earned. But when her songs start at full-blast, level 10 giddiness, they lose that sense of accomplishment.
― Evan R, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
Obviously some great stand-out songs here, though. Just dunno how much I'll be able to take this in as an album
― Evan R, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
"this album sounds like pop music so it MUST have been written by a bunch of other people" is an incredible bit of logic
― J0rdan S., Friday, 6 November 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
"I liked it better when she didn't quite know what she was doing" isn't a gendered observation afaic.
Some friends of mine are moving into self-production, and my comments on their mixes were always "quit trying to prove to me that you know what you're doing"
I think this record is OK on first couple listens and will vastly improve when there's video. There were def no ghost-writers or ghost-producers on this
― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Friday, 6 November 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
i think that's a really good observation evan. this record does feel less dynamic than visions
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 November 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
the demo version of "realiti" is much much better than the album version and is just generally one of her best songs tho yeah
― J0rdan S., Friday, 6 November 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link
oh i'm also really bad at hearing autotune but i hear zero autotune on this record
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 November 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link
"Kill V. Maim" reminds me of Gwen Stefani's "Bubble Pop Electric," haha.
― jaymc, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
I read in an earlier interview the she sampled a few obscure Japanese songs for some of the tracks on here. I'd be curious as to what they were.
― MarkoP, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
I assume the beginning of Butterfly is one of the samples.
kill v maim (!!). I like the vox on this, quite a few of these songs will be great live
― ogmor, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link
I'm only as far as Belly of the Beast but this album has hooks coming out of its arse wtf.
― Matt DC, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:22 (eight years ago) link
this feels like saturdays felt like when I was a kid
― ogmor, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link
i think the highs on visions are a bit above the highest ones here, but this one seems more cohesive/of a piece
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link
holy shit @ 'kill v. maim'
― NATION: ? ? ? (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 6 November 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link
it was really bothering and theyre not actually that 1-for-1 but the riff @ the start of SCREAM sounds similar to gomez - 'shot shot' 2 me
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link
First impressions are that this is a bit too long and somewhat heavily front loaded but that first half is such a rush.
― Matt DC, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link
i'm having such a hard time connecting with this album and it's breaking my heart since visions has become one of my favorite albums of all time. there's just not a lot on here i can immediately latch on to whereas visions was instant and took over all of 2012 for me.
― j. winters (josh), Friday, 6 November 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link
realiti is not quite as different as i expected based on the comments here, its basically still the same song to the point where the familiarity of the version you heard first probably overrides the actual substance of the differences
― ciderpress, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:57 (eight years ago) link
So I ordered this from 4ad, thinking that I'd get access to a digital copy today, but it's not looking that way. Do I really get to* wait until December when they ship the CD to hear it.
*trying to stay positive =/
― austinato (Austin), Friday, 6 November 2015 17:58 (eight years ago) link
― jaymc,
Much of this album sounds more like Stefani than the last one.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 November 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link
also agree w/ holy shit @ 'kill v maim' thats a pretty huge highlight
― ciderpress, Friday, 6 November 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link
i am....not feeling kill v. maim
― call all destroyer, Friday, 6 November 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
it's the soundtrack to the industrial mega man level of my dreams
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 November 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
only at "kill v maim" so far but yeah this is remarkably...shiny and clean?
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 6 November 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
my sympathies to the disappointed but i can't believe no one is in raptures about how good this is. it's much brighter than I expected & so percussive with it, towards the end of the album especially. i always enjoyed grimes from a mumbler's perspective, and that's gone, but her vocals on this are righteous. i can't remember instantly loving an album this much. the melisma in "what do you me-an?" is just like the way arthur russell sings "leave it a-lone" on lucky cloud & just as perfect. she has nailed this.
― ogmor, Friday, 6 November 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
also that bit of kill maim sounds so much like "gucci gucci"
― ogmor, Friday, 6 November 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
i'm not quiiiiiiiite loving this as much as expected, but it might sound better in my car/over my stereo than these crappy headphones
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 6 November 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link
listen to grimes in yr car, good plan
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 6 November 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link
choreographing a dance to "kill v. maim" brb
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 November 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
Also just listened on rubbish headphones that just accented the trebliness of the record, but there are at least three great songs on here: "Flesh Without Blood", "Easily" and "Butterfly". Couldn't hear what was so amazing about "Kill V. Maim", my least favourite on first play.
(Full disclosure - I never really got into Visions.)
― Jeff W, Friday, 6 November 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
A few songs into this and I'm already liking it much, much more than Visions. There were a couple decent tracks on Visions, but it was a bit too incomplete and amateurish for me to truly enjoy it. I like how polished this sounds. It's more poppy but also more creative than Visions.
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Friday, 6 November 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link
I adore this, it's honestly the happiest I've felt listening to an album since E•MO•TION.
The title track and "World Princess Part II" are the early highlights for me. I don't really think she improved "Realiti" from the demo but I'm not bothered by the new version, it sounds fine and more of a piece with the rest of the record
― carly bae jepsen (monotony), Friday, 6 November 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
On first listen I'm standing by my true romance / sucker comparison tho I am liking this a lot more than sucker already.
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 November 2015 00:44 (eight years ago) link
the sucker comparison is v otm
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 November 2015 00:52 (eight years ago) link
Is true romance really comparable to visions? I never checked it out.
― how's life, Saturday, 7 November 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link
Not really, but the internal relation between each artist's respective albums feels similar.
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link
Sucker was Charli XCX trying on a new persona, Art Angels is more like Grimes figuring out how to do the things she wanted to do all along
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:04 (eight years ago) link
Well that's one reason it works a lot better, yeah!
But sonically and stylistically I think the comparison stands.
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link
"Art Angels is more like Grimes figuring out how to do the things she wanted to do all along"
yeah, i don't think this is true at all.
― circa1916, Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:20 (eight years ago) link
Love how many of the takes here are based on how closely she met your expectations. Aw, did your manic pixie dream girl let you down?I think the record is loose and fun and for what it's worth, I think she's set her sights on the high ecstasy of pure pop, everything and anything is grabbed in service of that feel. Which I love.
― MatthewK, Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:21 (eight years ago) link
Hm, I think that was overgeneralisation, on reflection. As you were.
― MatthewK, Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:22 (eight years ago) link
aaand written before I heard the final line of Butterfly. Oops.
― MatthewK, Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:44 (eight years ago) link
Haha I just got there myself and I was about to say...
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:49 (eight years ago) link
Finally got home to listen to this. I'm on Easily and am really happy with this. Not even to the remake of Realiti yet! I'm pretty nervous. This is great so far, but cryptic hints like
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ARRRRRRGH. What is THAT supposed to mean? Why am I on this thread right now?
― how's life, Saturday, 7 November 2015 02:17 (eight years ago) link
At Venus Fly now. Realiti a relief, thank god. Could hear these songs at the Area:One festival maybe? I love it.
― how's life, Saturday, 7 November 2015 02:29 (eight years ago) link
The 'obscure Japanese sample' on here is the guitar riff at the start of Butterfly
― ufo, Saturday, 7 November 2015 02:36 (eight years ago) link
oh man this album is amazing. Butterfly, in particular. That whole song is perfect and the end is the biggest payoff.
― pplasma, Saturday, 7 November 2015 02:44 (eight years ago) link
After 5 or so listens and a headphone upgrade, I'm starting to get into Art Angels. Even though I'd have been perfectly happy with Visions Pt. II, I'm glad that she made the album she wanted to instead of what people expected.
― pep ponk aliyev (seandalai), Saturday, 7 November 2015 03:15 (eight years ago) link
Judas
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Saturday, 7 November 2015 03:24 (eight years ago) link
Just now getting to this. nu-Realiti isn't better or worse, but I'm not comfortable with its differences yet. The title track is straight out of 1991...like Curve meets Happy Mondays.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 7 November 2015 03:31 (eight years ago) link
I think this is nice enough on laptop speakers but will give it the headphone treatment on my walk tomorrow morning
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 November 2015 03:44 (eight years ago) link
having followed her statements on music since she scrapped the first visions follow-up, this is pretty much the album i expected.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 7 November 2015 03:50 (eight years ago) link
lyrics and feels from "Pin" easily hit some of the musical young love/ crush moments of E•MO•TION for me...
― mingalaba, Saturday, 7 November 2015 04:54 (eight years ago) link
It wasn't quite what I expected but it's still very enjoyable. On some level it's disappointing because there's nothing else in the same vein as Realiti, but that's ok. I do hope we hear more from the scrapped album she said she might release, since both tracks we've heard from around then are great (Realiti and David).
I feel like Visions is probably a more successful/cohesive whole but the uneven start is really the only issue I have with this.
― ufo, Saturday, 7 November 2015 05:06 (eight years ago) link
I really need to stop reading this thread. I'm getting impatient to the point of anger.
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 7 November 2015 05:12 (eight years ago) link
Wait, why can't you listen to it now? It came out today.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 7 November 2015 05:13 (eight years ago) link
As explained upthread, I ordered from 4ad with the thought that I would get digital access today, but that's not happening, apparently.
I can't really stream it because my computer is fussy about such things (still running Vista and so on) and I want to be able to listen away from a computer screen anyway.
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 7 November 2015 05:17 (eight years ago) link
I may just fold and buy it on Amazon mp3.
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 7 November 2015 05:18 (eight years ago) link
I anticipated listening to this so much I dreamt about this album all night, and it sounds just as good irl. Only one listen in, but this album is fucking wonderful. I love the new REALiTi, too - it's lost a little demo stardust but it's not like you can't listen to both.
― Leonard Pine, Saturday, 7 November 2015 07:19 (eight years ago) link
I figure if you paid for a physical copy there's no big moral issue with dling alb from your favorite torrent site (but then again i see no big issue in the first place)
― niels, Saturday, 7 November 2015 13:48 (eight years ago) link
it's on spotify too
― George W. Lucas (diamonddave85), Saturday, 7 November 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link
This album sounds better played over speakers in the common living area with the dog running around and roommates debating whether to get take out. Visions sounds better in my room while i look at the window, absently refresh ilx, or maybe read a few pages of anna karenina before taking my laundry downstairs.
― Treeship, Saturday, 7 November 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
That's oddly specific.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 7 November 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
when your lens is Treeship, your focus is specific
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
or whenever your lens is actually a good lens
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
I agree with Treeship except on one minor detail that is that for me it sounds best if I leave the laundry in the room. As soon as I leave to take it down stairs for some reason it's charms fade.
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
"Pin", love the dancey power pop feel, the lyrics-- "tearin at your hair like banshee", "Dirt on your fingernails, blood on your kneesBut did that ever make you happy?", etc etc
All of the little touches like how right after she says "just after 3" she makes this little exclamatory squeal that i find myself doing along with her and kind of doing this strange dance where i stick out my arms right at that moment...
― pplasma, Sunday, 8 November 2015 01:22 (eight years ago) link
are you looking for a harmony?
there is harmony in everything
― pplasma, Sunday, 8 November 2015 01:34 (eight years ago) link
Somehow feel this album augurs a Madchester revival (or has that happened already?)
― pep ponk aliyev (seandalai), Sunday, 8 November 2015 02:08 (eight years ago) link
There are a bunch of vocal moments on here that remind me a bit of pitched up happy hardcover insanity
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Sunday, 8 November 2015 02:12 (eight years ago) link
*hardcore
Would welcome Madchester revival.
― austinato (Austin), Sunday, 8 November 2015 02:36 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOrP1wSzCk
― pplasma, Sunday, 8 November 2015 03:28 (eight years ago) link
LOVE kill vs maim - finally someone finds the sweetspot between Crystal Castles, Jane Wiedlin and the Smurfs.
― djp HOOS clouds (NickB), Sunday, 8 November 2015 10:45 (eight years ago) link
Does Jagwar Ma count as Madchester revival?
― MarkoP, Sunday, 8 November 2015 15:18 (eight years ago) link
Also, besides "Ray of Light"-era Madonna, the other thing the title track somehow reminds me of is PM Dawn, but I'm probably the only person who would think that.
― MarkoP, Sunday, 8 November 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link
besides "Ray of Light"-era Madonna
glad someone else said this; madonna in general is my pop reference point for this album much more so than anyone younger like gwen or katy perry or whoever. "belly of the beat" feels like it could have legs amongst ilx's dance-pop formalists (read: erotica fans). "easily" joins the small and exalted pantheon of things that sound a little bit like "don't tell me".
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 8 November 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
I'm fond of "Realiti," "World Princess Pt. II" (K-pop!), "Easily," "Flesh Without Blood," and the title track, but the tinniness of the vocals gets wearying (and as usual Janelle Monae's talent for muffling decent tunes + beats is intact).
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 November 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
Okay, I folded and just went to Spotify. Not really my premier choice to have my first listen be at the computer desk, but I just couldn't wait.
First impressions:—She is trying really hard to top Visions (this is awesome, just in terms of the sheer balls that takes).—Her voice is better on this album. Just all around. Not as buried in the mix, more interesting melodies. Ace.—The 'Think (About It)' break is used in the new 'Realiti'!—'Kill v. Maim' has so many layers and changes. It's only four minutes long, but feels at least twice, as it's like three or four mini songs in one.—She's cocky as hell. I like this.—Love this line: "I was only looking for a human to reciprocate."—Second half has some serious deep cuts that I reckon won't really sink in for quite some time.—Can't wait to take it for a walk with me.
Highlights:—'Flesh without Blood'—'Realiti'—'Butterfly'
― austinato (Austin), Sunday, 8 November 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
ray of light is the first pop comparison that's made sense to me lol
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 November 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
and actually that comparison may have opened up the entire record for me, that's awesome
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 November 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
^^^ same
― j. winters (josh), Sunday, 8 November 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
someone compared "pin" to crj emotion emotions but i feel like it's the same pitch just inverted subject-wise. what i mean is that it's been really great for a break up
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 November 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
kind of lol to envision Erotica as "formal" dance pop, like u couldn't dance to any pop music before 1992
― welltris (crüt), Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
Since I first heard Visions, I always thought she was successfully blending Madonna's Like A Prayer and the Cocteaus' Treasure.
And this:what i mean is that it's been really great for a break up
OTM. Art Angels definitely has shades of breakup-ness to it.
― austinato (Austin), Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
the weak link here is really "venus fly" which is a shame
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
meanwhile i would like restate how fucking unbelievably great "venus fly" is
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
there's a single note -- like a synthesized accordion -- at the very end of "flesh without blood" (4:15ish) that i'm obsessed with
― Treeship, Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
uh i meant "butterfly" lol
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link
(continued from my previous post) most of her songs contain surprising little moments like that. i think that's part of why listeners connect so personally with her music. there are so many little production decisions to notice, and so you are constantly being reminded of the human hand behind the music. everything she makes feels very intentional and crafted
― Treeship, Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:38 (eight years ago) link
― Treeship, Sunday, November 8, 2015 3:31 PM (
and there's a snippet of violin in another song that I wish she would've saved for a full tune.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
i think that's part of why listeners connect so personally with her music. there are so many little production decisions to notice, and so you are constantly being reminded of the human hand behind the music. everything she makes feels very intentional and crafted
but you can say this about everybody and anybody, and how do we judge intentions?
Can we also throw Kate Bush somewhere in there in what we're hearing? Today hearing 'flesh without blood' it started sounding to me like how something off Hounds of Love would sound in 2015.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
". . .and you never get sad and you never get sick. . ."
That one hits me.
― austinato (Austin), Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link
More stuff I am reminded of: Britney's "Brave New Girl", Christina Milian's "I Can Be That Woman".
This album totally rules.
― Tim F, Sunday, 8 November 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link
yeah i was sort of only halfway into it until today and i'm really happy that i'm more taken with it now
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 November 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
speaking of Kate Bush, The Dreaming is the album i keep thinking of. an incredible female artist wresting control away from fan and music industry expectations after breaking through, and coming out with something intricate and personal and reflective on the creative process itself.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Sunday, 8 November 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link
Artangels, the track, reminded me of Annie
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Monday, 9 November 2015 00:20 (eight years ago) link
Broke into a Lorde-esque dinosaur dance walking down the street yesterday following the drop in "World Princess, Pt II".
― art baengels (monotony), Monday, 9 November 2015 01:07 (eight years ago) link
On a few more listens I like it more but don't love it. I find all the chipmunked vocals to be an odd choice (although so heavily used that she obviously has something in mind with them), and I miss the breathier, almost slipping away from you sound of her earlier vocals (which were still present on the demo Realiti but not the album Realiti). I actually do like the album Realiti more than I did at first, but still prefer the demo -- the album version is squarer, like a club remix.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 9 November 2015 03:35 (eight years ago) link
So, I'm thinking after a few listens, that this is less consistent than Visions, but the highlights are better than those on Visions.
― austinato (Austin), Monday, 9 November 2015 03:38 (eight years ago) link
I also think the vocals are what made it hardest for me to accept at first, because her singing -- the part of the music we probably most identify with most artists -- just sounds so DIFFERENT than it did on the last record.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 9 November 2015 03:51 (eight years ago) link
this album has a really obnoxious title but it's pretty good yeah
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 9 November 2015 11:58 (eight years ago) link
Had a series of dreams just now where she released the album a capella for fans to remix as a sort of contest — never found out what the prize was. In any case, I was able to hear 'Realiti' a capella in bits and pieces and it was just heaven.
― Austin, Monday, 9 November 2015 12:33 (eight years ago) link
Still haven't had a complete listen but I'm liking it more after hearing it a friend's car and in piecemeal at home. It definitely feels made to play at festivals, can't get that image out of my head during most of the tracks.
Venus Fly is a jam btw.
― expertly crafted referential display name (Jordan), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:33 (eight years ago) link
attempted to lisen to this on my commute but i downloaded a copy with awful dj drops and had to stop halfway :-[
but based on that limited shitty experience, worried this album won't be all that i was hoping it would be
― flopson, Monday, 9 November 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
this kinda sounds like good pc music in a hyperrealised pop by outsider way
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 9 November 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
albeit more emotive + less depersonalised
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 9 November 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
the chipmunk thing is less obnoxious here at least
― ufo, Monday, 9 November 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
I bet this whole album is good, but I just keep restarting the flesh without blood through artangels run of songs
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 November 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
yeah i'm having a hard time getting through this for the same reason. i did jump ahead and listen to the new version of realiti.
― dynamicinterface, Monday, 9 November 2015 23:26 (eight years ago) link
for me the biggest highs are on Pin and Butterfly. Pin is one of the shorter songs on the album, but it is just so intricately layered, emotive, and most of all cathartic. I agree that there is definitely a big PC music influence on this, kind of combined with Ray of Light era Madonna, and everything in between.
― pplasma, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 05:34 (eight years ago) link
where the fuck did this "PC music influence" come from and can we please excise that from any future discussion regarding this album tyvm
― j. winters (josh), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 05:44 (eight years ago) link
^^^
― james brooks, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 05:48 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i don't hear PC music in this
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 10 November 2015 07:00 (eight years ago) link
So... Is this the first time pitchfork has ever apologized to an artist for being an asshole?
― mingalaba, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 07:10 (eight years ago) link
it comes off more as a hasty aside than an explicit statement so i demand more
― j. winters (josh), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 07:51 (eight years ago) link
I think I can hear some PC music in this, the way she sounds like some sort of demented cheerleader sometimes and the saturated arrangements here and there but this album isn't really parodying bubblegum pop it seems like there's some genuine admiration for it, hence it's quite the opposite of PC music.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 07:53 (eight years ago) link
Pitchfork's like "sorry we mocked you, but this album isn't better than your debut"
― pplasma, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 07:54 (eight years ago) link
"demented cheerleader" is some kind of backhanded compliment isn't it
― j. winters (josh), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 07:56 (eight years ago) link
― j. winters (josh)
No, didn't meant it as an insult!
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 08:04 (eight years ago) link
Regarding the Pitchfork review: odd they didn't mention the lyrics of California at all since it's a hate track dedicated to them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 08:06 (eight years ago) link
Grimes has talked at length about absorbing aa load ofJ-pop (and K-pop) in the run up to this and I think this is one of those moments when we can probably take the artist at their word rather than reaching for the first reference point at hand. Most of the things this album sounds like existed before PC Music and any similarities between the two are likely to be because PC Music is almost entirely built out of self-conscious reference points.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 08:23 (eight years ago) link
Classic young person's "let us compare the thing that came before to the thing that came after" move.
Kill V Maim sounds like Daphne and Celeste if they were actually allowed to commit extreme anime violence on people instead of just playground taunts.
But now I want to live in an alternate universe where Grimes produces Daphne & Celeste's comeback album, instead of Max Tundra.
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 08:27 (eight years ago) link
It's pretty hard to get pfork editors to agree to an 8.5 so I don't think that should be taken as a relative diss or anything.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 09:03 (eight years ago) link
"Easily" getting all the feels here right now. Weightless reverie, that gleaming Kraftwerk vibe I loved in Visions.
― MatthewK, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 09:40 (eight years ago) link
The song is Boucher eating the lunch that Miley packed, may it be #blessed with infinite stadium-EDM remixes.
What the fuck does this sentence even mean
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link
It's a little hard to get excited about a celebrity's media resentment as a theme.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link
Funnily enough, I really relate (and I suspect a whole bunch of women will relate, too) to lyrics themes of: "Hey, you've been expressing your ~opinions~ on me for a couple of years now. Well, now. Here's my opinion: I don't particularly like you much, either."
I don't think it matters if she's talking about Pitchfork in particular or the Male Gaze in general. It's just a super-relatable sentiment and I love the way she's expressed it.
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link
fair point and seems OTM. A line that bothers me a little though is "it's nice that you like me/but only conditionally" -- fan/media love is by nature conditional. That's the beast.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link
Did pfork actually call her a "human tumblr"? I can't find that in any article/review.
― how's life, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
Although tbf the sentiment fits into a line of capital A Artists in pop/rock/folk that probably goes back at least to the 70s, where part of the fan experience is rejecting that (consumerist?) conditional love paradigm, because the artist represents something about selfhood and individuality and we reaffirm that by accepting even changes in the artist that may not initially suit our taste at the moment.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
― Tim F, Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:03 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nah an 8.5 def codes as a dissapointment given the hype for this album. two weeks ago i was sure it wouldve been AOTY
― flopson, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
still sounds like a 7.8 to me :'-(
― flopson, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link
xxp Dylan was Judas in '66 iirc. and that narrative is pretty old and boring, but it's a narrative that's part of good tunes in this case.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
I definitely didn't expect a score lower than 9.0 from pfork, just because of how they hyped it up.
Not that I care that much what they rate it; just find it interesting.
― Austin, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
8.5 is also what Pitchfork gave Joanna Newsom's latest.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
It's also the same score they gave that fucking Tobias Jesso Jr. album.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
how many 9.0s or higher do they give out? I can't recall seeing many for new music in 2015
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
Looks like Deafheaven got one. Tame Impala got a 9.3 lol gtfo.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
They've given a few 9's this year.9.0 to Deafheaven.9.3 to Kendrick Lamar, Sufjan Stevens, Tame Impala, and Jamie XX.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link
This is literally the most boring conversation it is possible to have about this album.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
Heard it got three and a half carp in Angling Times this month as well. Backlash?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link
But anyway, back to the music. . .
― Austin, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:02 (eight years ago) link
they dinged it for not having enough critic bait xp
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
Sod pfork. I want to live inside this album.
Whenever I have a look two dozen more comparisons have been made, this album is all and no pop. And I love how badass and defiant she is throughout. Visions was great but this album just makes me so HAPPY
― Leonard Pine, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
fwiw, flesh isn't about the media
without getting into specifics, it's about other musicians
― james brooks, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Love how my 'reminds me of PC Music' post became 'influenced by PC Music' two seconds later. She's probably never heard of them
Still hate the title. Hate any album title with 'Art' in it tbh. Despite this, it is a solid, surprisingly ornate listen that deserves between 6 and 10 out of 10
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
listening more today, i don't think this is a bad album at all but it's def not the album i wanted from grimes. weirdness, where it hasn't been expunged completely, has been very tightly managed.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
I know a certain mob film was mentioned as an inspiration for Kill V. Maim but I'm getting more of an American Gangster ref
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link
― james brooks, Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:25 AM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
interesante
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link
it's about Eiffel 65
― welltris (crüt), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
they were blue, and now they can't love
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
wait, how did you and james brooks also know that. i was told that i was the only one who knew
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
"genesis" has actually just been "blue" played in reverse this entire time
― james brooks, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link
true of the Old Testament book as well
― welltris (crüt), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
also phil collins
― james brooks, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:35 (eight years ago) link
but not sega
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
I read in an earlier interview that she apparently sampled some obscure Japanese songs on the album, which is where I'm assuming where the opening riff of Butterfly comes from. Anyone know what they are?
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link
"penguin dancer" by masayoshi takanaka on butterfly is the only sample
― james brooks, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link
"Easily" sounds a lot like Ray of Light Madonna. I was just listening to it and even my brother thought it was Madonna.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 20:24 (eight years ago) link
He is old.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
Iirc Grimes said 'flesh without blood' is not a breakup song per se since she doesn't write anymore 'love songs'. I'm just going to assume it's a farewell song to the indie/underground scene.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
Btw, almost every song off this album has its own individual artwork. I love that. Hopefully they'll be available on the cd booklet and on the vinyl version. Let me do a quick collage and I'll post it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
Also it seems some of them are animated:
http://i.imgur.com/43HEoaM.gif
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 20:38 (eight years ago) link
Here we go:
http://i.imgur.com/K6Er9Sp.jpg
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
just wanted to come on here to say that this album is really fun -- impressively diverse in style and tone, playful, catchy, generous.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
― flopson, Tuesday, November 10, 2015 10:42 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
There's an episode of On Cinema at the Cinema where Tim Heidecker says to Gregg Turkington: "surely you're not going to score this movie lower than five bags of popcorn?"
Gregg: "No, but I might take a few kernels out of each bag."
It's kind of how I imagine the editorial meeting at P4K went down for this review.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 21:33 (eight years ago) link
who gives a shit how many #s pitchfork gives an album? why does this matter in the slightest to anyone?
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 21:44 (eight years ago) link
Ptichfork-etaboutit.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link
anyone here not on board with this album? In theory I dig the new direction and perhaps even a few tracks, but this is doing nothing for me.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 22:01 (eight years ago) link
I'm not, mostly. Jessica's review is correct about noting the delightful sounds on this album, but they're discrete, and her voice doesn't force cohesion on the elements.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link
i'll keep trying for a bit but yeah not feeling it
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
I'm slightly toward the "not" camp. I don't hate it but I don't find myself wanting to listen to it either.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link
I was not really a fan at first listen, I was even annoyed by it... too many influences made it sound all over the place, but the more I listen to it the more it started sounding cohesive. I love albums that reveal new things with every listen. There's many ideas and nifty production tricks in here to love it. who knows how i'll feel about it in a month when the vinyl finally arrives (I still prefer Realiti demo and I hate that I wont get any version on vinyl since I already pre-ordered) but it's has had it's share of replay value for me.
I had the same reaction to Visions. It felt very different at the time from her previous albums and eps.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 22:24 (eight years ago) link
i'm not sure this album is really aiming for "cohesion," unless you simply mean some kind of formal cohesion w/ in each track.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
I meant that as a vocalist she should pull these cool sounds and melodies together, but its abrasive high end doesn't.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link
since my initial bleh reaction (apart from a few songs) i've been listening to it a few times a day and more of it is clicking. i can't help but think that i'll always prefer Visions, though, if only because Visions sounds like an album that only she could have made. it's tough for me to get as excited about art angels because it feels like her contribution to a universe that's already populated with other people's songs that use a similar sonic vocabulary.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link
i enjoy the first half of it culminating with kill v maim, but then there's that madchester one and the william orbity one and my receptivity just shuts right off at that point
― gabba cadaver (NickB), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
Was tired and stressed and feeling put-upon this morning, Art Angels in the earbuds just blew me out the WINDOW. Venus Fly! Kill V Maim! Just an incredible record I think. My attention wanders at times, but literally 2-3 lulls on an album packed with delirious highs.
― MatthewK, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 01:05 (eight years ago) link
there's really no reason to bring about the comparison but i think she definitely does a better 'polished' record than ariel pink
― dynamicinterface, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 01:47 (eight years ago) link
Ariel Pink does polished records?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 08:12 (eight years ago) link
before today and pom pom sound 10x more polished than this
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 08:19 (eight years ago) link
yeah that's a p low bar
― pep ponk aliyev (seandalai), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 08:30 (eight years ago) link
Kill V Maim nodding to Crystal Castles, amirite?
― MatthewK, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 11:36 (eight years ago) link
sorry NickB, insufficient search before posting
― MatthewK, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 11:37 (eight years ago) link
yeah, it's also good that crystal castles sound is being used on an anthem of female empowerment considering ethan kath's recent dickishness
― gabba cadaver (NickB), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 12:15 (eight years ago) link
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:28 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
given that she's mentioned them in interviews, I am pretty sure she has heard of them
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:10 (eight years ago) link
oh ok then
makes the comparison more valid prob
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:13 (eight years ago) link
unless all the mentions are disses
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:14 (eight years ago) link
Of PC Music, the London collective whose uncanny valley take on the top 40 of their childhoods provides a contextual touchstone for Art Angels, she says, “It’s really fucked up to call yourself Sophie and pretend you’re a girl when you’re a male producer (and) there are so few female producers,” she begins, before trailing off again. “I think it’s really good music. I probably shouldn’t have said that…”
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:16 (eight years ago) link
So diss + backpedalling.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:17 (eight years ago) link
Justified negative comment + backpedalling really.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:18 (eight years ago) link
yeah but 'it's really good music' + realisation that this isn't the trendy opinion any more ;)
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:26 (eight years ago) link
I think it was more that she realised this would immediately be blown up out of all proportion and tried to offset that.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:28 (eight years ago) link
sigh
― welltris (crüt), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:29 (eight years ago) link
Either way this is clearly a case of shared source material rather than Grimes hearing PC Music and going "OMG must make something like that". Otherwise you're well into Doglatin-comparing-Miguel-to-Animal-Collective territory.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:30 (eight years ago) link
oh you're right, 'probably shouldn't have said that' refers to the SOPHIE thing not the liking the music
but that's weird though, it was a perfectly reasonable thing to say
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:30 (eight years ago) link
oh and I'm not disputing the shared source material thing! for me it was simple redolence, no imputation of lineage
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:31 (eight years ago) link
Yeah it's cool, I know your post wasn't making that claim.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:32 (eight years ago) link
changing the subject slightly, the standout imo is World Princess part II - awesome track (and, to reignite the subject, easily as good as anything PC Music have put out)
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:35 (eight years ago) link
Doglatin-comparing-Miguel-to-Animal-Collective
did this really happen?
― ogmor, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:38 (eight years ago) link
haha I was about to ask
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:44 (eight years ago) link
yeah, like, my intention was less "let's draw attention to this quote!" and more "gee, I wonder if possibly 'well-known producer probably hasn't known of equally well-known producers' isn't an example of the condescension Grimes talks about"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:46 (eight years ago) link
HEARD of. either way, I mean
it was more 'PC Music are probably still quite obscure around the world' but sure
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:47 (eight years ago) link
My mom right now RE 'Kill v. Maim':"That sounds like that Indian music they play at the Indian restaurant. **does high pitched mimicking** I thought you liked that nice music, not stuff like this."
Btw "nice music" = multiple versions of 'Dark Star' I've been studying the past few days.
― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
I think your mom might be racist.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link
Oh, there are no doubts about it if you ask me.
― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
Having said that WPpII is the standout, I cant get the Kill v. Maim vocals out of my head. Amazing vocal design. Most songs where the vocal style is the hook feel in some way cheap or annoying but not this
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Tried this out on the family on the way home from the zoo today. mrs. life liked it quite a lot but the kids were miserable, complaining of headaches.
― how's life, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
this album is good. I don't like it as much as the last one. But it is still good.
― akm, Thursday, 12 November 2015 00:22 (eight years ago) link
Talking about Grimes is like dancing about architecture.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 12 November 2015 04:55 (eight years ago) link
Trying to out-cliché the rest of the thread?
― MatthewK, Thursday, 12 November 2015 06:49 (eight years ago) link
grimes is like madonna
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 12 November 2015 06:53 (eight years ago) link
ON ACID
and with a lisp.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 12 November 2015 07:14 (eight years ago) link
*wink*wink*THUD*THUD*
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
YOU DID US ALL, COUSIN SLAPPY!
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link
Title track reminds me of Is there a name for that genre of turn-of-the-90s pop-rock with the positive vibes, huge guitar leads, and gated drums?.
― jaymc, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link
I have listened to this album a few more times and like it more (indeed there are many hooks !) but although I find it fun, skillful and effective, there's still nothing as charming and touching as her previous stuff for me.That said, my favourite song by her is "Vanessa" and I haven't really loved anything from her since Visions so I guess she's just going in a different direction, which is perfectly fine.
basically I agree with this post :
since my initial bleh reaction (apart from a few songs) i've been listening to it a few times a day and more of it is clicking. i can't help but think that i'll always prefer Visions, though, if only because Visions sounds like an album that only she could have made. it's tough for me to get as excited about art angels because it feels like her contribution to a universe that's already populated with other people's songs that use a similar sonic vocabulary.― Karl Malone, mardi 10 novembre 2015 23:37 (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Karl Malone, mardi 10 novembre 2015 23:37 (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
funny thing : my favourite thing from Artangel so far is the little instrumental bit at the beginning of "Butterfly" !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
the one bit she didn't make herself
― ogmor, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
yes I know !That said, I'm exaggerating. there are plenty of other cool moments on the album.
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
― jaymc, Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:07 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, these are exactly the kind of reference points I was looking for -- where *rock* guitar is used in that very pop-specific sort of way, often sounding very compressed and lighter in the mix than it would be in a rock record
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link
love this album but i feel like opening the album with california and scream is a misstep.. always skip the first three songs when i listen
― George W. Lucas (diamonddave85), Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
fwiw, flesh isn't about the mediawithout getting into specifics, it's about other musicians― james brooks, Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:25 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― james brooks, Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:25 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so it has to be about Blood Diamonds then? did they have a falling out? or maybe just other musicians giving her grief over "Go" and attributing that Blood Diamonds?
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
btw not asking anyone who actually knows to go into specifics. just wondering if this is common knowledge.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
fwiw she's playing "phone sex" and "go" at every show on her current tour
― flappy bird, Thursday, 12 November 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
going to see her on wednesday!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link
is james brooks grimes?
― dynamicinterface, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
no, he's james brooks
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
she brought out blood diamonds on one of her shows recently, def not him. is it that interesting though?
― Leonard Pine, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
it is interesting if you're wondering if there'll be more collaborations
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
between those two artists specifically. not in general. there will always be more collaborations.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
There was that quite public exchange of words with Ariel Pink, I hope it's about him if it means they'll never collaborate because he sucks
― Leonard Pine, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
Win Butler reviewed it, so the matter is settled:
Pop traditionally tries to recreate the world the listener already lives in, just with bigger cartoon eyes and soft corners on the tables. If you’re the victim, you’re always righteous; if you’re the aggressor, you’re always just. Weirdo music (I use the term broadly) creates its own esoteric world – makes up its own constants to plug into the physics equations that determine whether life ever evolves on the planet.
In Art Angels, Grimes is coming, to a large extent, from the world of 2000s pop, but she creates a giant, esoteric, viable world teeming with all sorts of poisonous Jurassic life.
My problem — my personal problem — is that I grew up prejudiced against 2000s pop, and that the atmosphere of the Jurassic period has the wrong ratio of elements for my organism. I’m more Cretaceous.
I appreciate and admire Art Angels. That sounds lame — no, it’s like how Orthodox Jews and devout Mormons get along. “I respect your devotion, and you probably understand me better than, say, anyone else on this F train — but I really, really don’t care that much about your Jesus. High fives on father Abraham, though.”
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
flesh without blood is about pc music
― George W. Lucas (diamonddave85), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
win butler sounds like an asshole tbqf
― marcos, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link
ok "will butler" nm
― marcos, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
Who the fuck is this Will/Win/Won't Butler. Apart from a colossal cockfarmer.
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
He is more Cretaceous than a cockfarmer
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
take so hot it ended the cretaceous period
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
can't wait for Carlos D's review in the guardian
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
What the actual fuck does that first paragraph even mean?
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
you're living in the Triassic Period, Branwell
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
Not sure why this guy's take is so important he needs to write all those words about how he's personally unwilling to engage with the record on its own terms and that's just how it is
― Leonard Pine, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
just generating some content for TheTalkHouse
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
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― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
In “Scream,” there’s angry joy at how well the pieces fit together. It feels like solving a murder. It feels like Elijah calling down fire on the priests of Baal. (So: Elijah and the priests are in a sacrifice-off. They each have a cow on the altar, and they’re trying to call down fire from their god to light it. And the priests can’t do it and Elijah’s like, “What’s the matter? Is your god asleep? Is he taking a crap?” and then he’s like, “Pour water on my logs. Do it again. Do it again.” And then he’s like “BOOM” and the fire comes down from the heavens, and then he’s like, “Now let’s murder these assholes.” It’s so extreme.)But on the other end, the song “Artangels” brings up the same suspicions I feel about “She Moves in Mysterious Ways.” I just keep wondering if the funkiness is justified.
But on the other end, the song “Artangels” brings up the same suspicions I feel about “She Moves in Mysterious Ways.” I just keep wondering if the funkiness is justified.
itt the arcade fire accuses both grimes and bono of unjustified funkiness
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
let's murder this asshole
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
srsly there's nothing worse than Bible stories given the fifth-rate Andrew Dice Clay paraphrasing nursery rhymes routine.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link
i didn't know this was a genre until today but i am ready to agree!
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link
Oh. He is in Arcade Fire? Never mind, that is punishment enough.
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link
christ, who is this asshole - the sheriff of funkingham?
― gabba cadaver (NickB), Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
thank u
― welltris (crüt), Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
jesus this Butler review really wants me to like this album
hope Claire comes with an answer
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 November 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
to be fair that's not the best song on 'achtung baby', i'd reserve that honor for "you were talking about the end of the world" or "like a fly on the wall"
― nomar, Thursday, 12 November 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link
wantingneedingwaitingfor grimesto justify the funk
― gabba cadaver (NickB), Thursday, 12 November 2015 22:18 (eight years ago) link
Didn't he say "2000s pop"? I guess Achtung Baby came out in 2001 after all.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link
a propos of nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryOMCA8J30o
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Thursday, 12 November 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
srsly there's nothing worse than Bible stories given the fifth-rate Andrew Dice Clay paraphrasing nursery rhymes routine.― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 12, 2015 12:08 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 12, 2015 12:08 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It reads like he's watched some Drunk History and is picturing Will Forte as Elijah, making the paraphrasing funny.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjw3WWGmTQU
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 12 November 2015 22:43 (eight years ago) link
listened to this on a walk tonight. it was damn nice.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 November 2015 22:59 (eight years ago) link
obv i mean i felt like Adam having his ribbed pulled out by his god and hearing the siren song of the cherub farting while holding the flaming sword of eden. it is very intense.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link
damn, I guess the bible is cool
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:12 (eight years ago) link
well it is 2007
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:18 (eight years ago) link
Fucking self righteous rock vocalists always have to ruin it all by thinking their genre is better than anybody's else. Suck a tit Will.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 13 November 2015 08:34 (eight years ago) link
Now I feel bad for buying the Funeral vinyl on a dollar bin after 10 years of considering the purchase. I'm sure this is how Noah felt after letting the mosquitoes enter the ark.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 13 November 2015 08:37 (eight years ago) link
tbf he doesn't hate all early-2000s pop
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51iiMSxUHdL._SY300_.jpg
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 November 2015 08:57 (eight years ago) link
I'm sure this is how Noah felt after letting the mosquitoes enter the ark.
ahahah.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 13 November 2015 09:12 (eight years ago) link
he isn't the vocalist, that's his brother
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 13 November 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
tbf he probably shouts in the shouty parts of their songs
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 13 November 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
<i>Title track reminds me of Is there a name for that genre of turn-of-the-90s pop-rock with the positive vibes, huge guitar leads, and gated drums?.
― jaymc, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:07 (Yesterday) Permalink</i>
At points the album also makes me think a bit of:00's girl-fronted radio-pop songs that sounds like pop-punk/power-pop/blondieand maybe The over-produced female vocalist mor-pop to art-pop continuum of the 80s and sometimes early 90s, often but not necessarily from Canada
Gotta love ILX and it's strangely specific genre threads.
― MarkoP, Friday, 13 November 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
***SETLIST SPOILERS**** ugh why tf would you go on tour to promote yr new album and not play the fucking lead single and best track from the new album. The show is tomorrow and I am so pre-emptively disappointed :(
― Ina-Garten-Da-Vida (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 13 November 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link
i missed the Atlanta show for various reasons (incl. that I didn't know it was happening)
― welltris (crüt), Friday, 13 November 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link
stevie plz report back i am still considering buying outrageously $$$ scalped ticket
― flopson, Friday, 13 November 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
Our tickets were scalped but not outrageously so (super sold out and only $35 when face value is $25)
― Ina-Garten-Da-Vida (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 13 November 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
also Carly Rae is not playing "Black Heart" even though she used to and Shamir is not playing "If It Wasn't True" MY LIFE IS OVERRRRRRRR *screams in pillow*
― Ina-Garten-Da-Vida (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 13 November 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
show in DC postponed tonight
Event Postponed: This event has been postponed. A new date will be announced shortly and all original tickets will be honored. Refunds available at place of purchase until 12/30/15Grimes (POSTPONED)with special guest Nicole Dollanganger
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 November 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
heard that they were suspending performances until will butler has completed a full funk audit
― gabba cadaver (NickB), Friday, 13 November 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 13 November 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 13 November 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
The Poisonous Jurassic Life Mix.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 13 November 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
licensed funk merchant will butler
http://nbhap.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads//2015/04/Will-Butler-Live-Photo-by-Jason-Oxenham-770x462.jpg
― nomar, Friday, 13 November 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
'I recorded with James Murphy'
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 13 November 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link
Stereogum reviews Will Butler reviews
http://www.stereogum.com/1843549/arcade-fires-will-butler-reviewed-grimes-art-angels/news/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 13 November 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
well that's a drag, i was gonna go tonight
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 November 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
this album rules and I say this as someone who wasn't all that taken with her before. her beats and melodies are so much stronger and brighter on this than on anything else she's done.
― Roz, Saturday, 14 November 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
The more i listen to this the more i see its brilliance. It feels less personal than Visions, which was hard for me to make peace with at first, but seriously she is working with such a broad pallette here it's hard not to stand back in awe
― Treeship, Saturday, 14 November 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link
Pin is really good
― Treeship, Saturday, 14 November 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
Still find the new realiti disapointing, but only because the demo was so limpid and perfect and the ultimate expression of her early project, which transformed dance music into dream pop
― Treeship, Saturday, 14 November 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
"Title track reminds me of Is there a name for that genre of turn-of-the-90s pop-rock with the positive vibes, huge guitar leads, and gated drums?"
Madchester?
I agree, serious dearth of new tunes at the show I saw her at, I think all she did was Venus Fly, SCREAM, and Kill v Maim
"Pin is really good"
My fave on the album
― pplasma, Saturday, 14 November 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
That little arcade arpeggio thing is so rad, especially because it's relatively subtle. It's weird to hear music this bright and pop that still feels so restrained in many ways. She never overdoes it on anything really
― Treeship, Saturday, 14 November 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link
cancelled another show tonight
― flappy bird, Saturday, 14 November 2015 22:44 (eight years ago) link
Philly was cancelled ;_;
― Ina-Garten-Da-Vida (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 15 November 2015 02:59 (eight years ago) link
:-(
― flopson, Sunday, 15 November 2015 05:47 (eight years ago) link
If she has the throat cold that I have, you would have been treated to Grimes as performed by Tom Waits.
― how's life, Sunday, 15 November 2015 11:07 (eight years ago) link
― MatthewK, Sunday, 15 November 2015 11:36 (eight years ago) link
She said it was never meant as part of the album tho, just a bonus to everyone who liked the song (so, hardly mocking). I really like the new Realiti myself
― Leonard Pine, Sunday, 15 November 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
the vocals on the new realiti are better almost across the board though
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, 15 November 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
I found this a lil disappointing :( not that it's bad just that I think I'd like it more if her voice was more central. On the last album it was just a texture but that complemented the production well, here she's working with this pop sound that functions to push a lead vocal but she's still using her voice (IMO her greatest talent) in a way that feels subdued or ornamental rather than idk....young thug
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 15 November 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
When a song is as good as 'Realiti' is, it's hard to really get too upset.
― Austin, Sunday, 15 November 2015 20:24 (eight years ago) link
True, but I think her initial instinct to leave it behind when the demo couldn't be salvaged, was the right choice. One of my all-time favourite tracks and to be fair, I would react negatively to *any* rework of it.
― MatthewK, Sunday, 15 November 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
I feel this way about the "everything is embarrassing" demo (not blood orange's)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, 15 November 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
I think I might reach a moment this weekend when "Reali" isn't somersaulting round my head.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 November 2015 22:24 (eight years ago) link
reali alfred
― crime breeze (schlump), Monday, 16 November 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link
oh reali
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 November 2015 01:20 (eight years ago) link
every morning there are memes to cosign
― Tim F, Monday, 16 November 2015 01:48 (eight years ago) link
"California" is an earworm. I like "Kill V Maim" it feels very early 2000s Hot Topic rock.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 01:49 (eight years ago) link
― Tim F, Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:48 PM
waiting on the desk for my signature
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 November 2015 01:49 (eight years ago) link
I like to imagine that there is some perfect late 90s / early 00s psueudo alterna-rock-dance chick album that has the perfect precedent for a lot of the stuff on here but which we're all too terrified to go back and listen to. Like, buried on some Bif Naked or Poe or Vitamin C album.
I briefly considered the first Imogen Heap album but when I went back to reskim it wasn't on-point.
― Tim F, Monday, 16 November 2015 02:04 (eight years ago) link
Please, continue on your hunt for the Grimes rosetta stone!
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 16 November 2015 02:33 (eight years ago) link
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, November 15, 2015 2:46 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this opinion is really different from mine.
― Treeship, Monday, 16 November 2015 02:38 (eight years ago) link
i love the new album for what it is but the realiti demo has that visions-era vocal style which for me is still grimes' trademark
― Treeship, Monday, 16 November 2015 02:40 (eight years ago) link
do you critic-types think artangels is going to produce a top 10 single? belly of the beat and pin seem like contenders
― Treeship, Monday, 16 November 2015 02:42 (eight years ago) link
man, i like this record a lot
― thwomp (thomp), Monday, 16 November 2015 02:44 (eight years ago) link
― Treeship, Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:42 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not a chance
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 November 2015 02:59 (eight years ago) link
yeah no
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 November 2015 03:00 (eight years ago) link
what about that california song
― Treeship, Monday, 16 November 2015 03:09 (eight years ago) link
it's about california. that's a pretty mainstream state
― Treeship, Monday, 16 November 2015 03:10 (eight years ago) link
they'll love it in pomona
― crime breeze (schlump), Monday, 16 November 2015 03:24 (eight years ago) link
I don't think the broader public typically embraces such ostentatious displays of weirdness until they're already familiar, and feel comfortable, with the artist in question. Gwen's "What You Waiting For" is allowable because it was from a singer whose band had been troubling the charts for some 9 years prior, the persona she displayed was just a more oddball version of what listeners already expected from her. Even Gaga had a full album of hits under her belt before she started actually living up to her art school rhetoric.
― Tim F, Monday, 16 November 2015 03:51 (eight years ago) link
Would love to see Grimes in the pop charts.
― Austin, Monday, 16 November 2015 03:56 (eight years ago) link
my mom asked the other day if i knew who grimes was
still loving this album.
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 16 November 2015 04:02 (eight years ago) link
It would be great to see her on the charts but yeah, no. I would be pleasantly surprised but no way. Tim F has an interesting insight, I'm trying to remember 'weird' avant artists that hit the charts without a more traditional single first. Laurie Anderson? Then again, weird was cool in the 80s.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 November 2015 04:29 (eight years ago) link
This album makes Visions a hard listen for me now. New realiti also better.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 November 2015 04:30 (eight years ago) link
lol. Been playing this nonstop pretty much myself
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 16 November 2015 04:31 (eight years ago) link
Laurie Anderson definitely the big exception but she also feels very exceptional ("O Superman" doesn't even try to be pop except in the broadest sense).
New wave produced quite a few exceptions to my rule even as early as 1979 - "Rock Lobster", Lene Lovich's "Lucky Number" etc.
But I think that's more reflective of an entire genre movement pushing a fetishisation of a particular strain of weirdness into popular consciousness, and in that regard is more similar to e.g. the Busta / Timbaland / Missy / Hype Williams moment in rap/r&b.
Perhaps not surprising that The Weeknd is mayble the closest example in recent times.
― Tim F, Monday, 16 November 2015 04:47 (eight years ago) link
and even "What You Waiting For" wasn't a hit in America.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 November 2015 11:41 (eight years ago) link
I think her management said they wanted to try to get a song on pop radio in the next few months but I don't know anything would get much traction
― ufo, Monday, 16 November 2015 12:32 (eight years ago) link
yeah it's just not a matter of "will the public embrace it?" -- it has to be pushed first
― jaymc, Monday, 16 November 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link
Since I’ve been anticipating this album since Visions, I hate that I’m “meh.” It isn’t bad. But it lacks the wonkiness of Visions.
It sounds like it’s produced by Butch Vig. It could be a Garbage album.
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 16 November 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
It’s certainly pop. I wouldn’t be surprised if a number of quirky pop songs from the 90s:
Baz Luhrmann’s “Everybody’s Free (to Wear Sunscreen)” Bran Van 3000’s “Drinking in LA”White Town’s “Your Woman”
etc. etc. etc.
were on her Zune.
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 16 November 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link
I don't think the broader public typically embraces such ostentatious displays of weirdness until they're already familiar, and feel comfortable, with the artist in question. --Tim F
there aren't any ostentatious displays of weirdness in the potential singles though
― flopson, Monday, 16 November 2015 14:59 (eight years ago) link
I don't really see what's so weird about these songs.I mean, nothing more than nikki minaj or lady gaga.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 16 November 2015 15:09 (eight years ago) link
i could see one of these being a pop hit. the album may be "weird" but the songs and melodies are very pop
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
the album certainly tries to be 'very pop' but i think it misses the mark most of the time and more generally isn't very compelling. (grimes's last album didn't click with me either so it's possible i just don't 'get' her.) not sure if her management will legit be going for radio play with one of the songs but i would say there is almost no chance of that working out.
i do really like a few of the songs on the album though, "realiti" included. i find it hard to believe now that "realiti" was just some tossed off afterthought demo as she suggested -- i mean, it was premiered with a music video that clearly took more than just a little bit of work, and to these ears it's much better than most of the songs that ended up on the 'real' tracklist. i don't think the final version changes things that much but yeah, the first version, perhaps from sheer familiarity, is the one i like better.
― dyl, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link
i do like 'realiti' a lot
hoping this will grow on me.
dont mean to beat this dead horse but i think her vocals should be more foregrounded, im less interested in her ideas about what is or isnt pop (feels like a creative cul de sac frankly, i like how young thug just transcends that shit)
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 16 November 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
feel like these songs a really very pop. i wish she was as popular as the other pop stars. she should produce some britney spears.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link
the album certainly tries to be 'very pop' but i think it misses the mark most of the time and more generally isn't very compelling.
Sometimes I can't tell whether this is a Pop album or a "Pop" album. That said, I could totally hear FWB being played on top 40 radio, even if it's just slightly outside the typical radio single.
Is it getting radio play? Is this even a meaningful question anymore?
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 16 November 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
it's most definitely "Pop"
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
"Oblivion" was her slow burn sleeper hit, nothing on here comes close
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
I thought "Go" sounded like a huge hit and it wasn't, nothing on Art Angels sounds as current
― Leonard Pine, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
seem to recall that "Oblivion" was instantly loved by all when gr8080 posted the video in some thread many moons ago and is not a slow burn sleeper anything
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 November 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link
the way she sings "uncontrollable" in flesh without blood is sooooooo good
― Karl Malone, Monday, 16 November 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link
I'm really into the part where she sings "baby believe me"
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 16 November 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link
I'm not saying these songs could never be hits, just that the public typically require an in for anything that doesn't sound utterly familiar at the outset; an artist they know, a sound they're already fond of or interested in, a soundtrack appearance. This last really should be a priority for Grimes' label/management if they want her to cross-over, but even then I suspect it would have made more sense with Oblivion (perhaps Lena Dunham at a party) than anything on this album.
Which doesn't change the fact that this album is totally brilliant.
― Tim F, Monday, 16 November 2015 21:25 (eight years ago) link
I'm not saying these songs could never be hits, just that the public typically require an in for anything that doesn't sound utterly familiar at the outset; an artist they know, a sound they're already fond of or interested in, a soundtrack appearance.
― Tim F, Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this isn't quite true -- the public typically requires a marketing apparatus, but if there is one then almost anything will fly. this year "I'm an Albatraoz," "Honey, I'm Good" and other songs, all of which would seem hilariously unlikely, were all accepted without question
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 16 November 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
― Tim F, Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
katy rose's "candy eyed"?
I suspect it would have made more sense with Oblivion (perhaps Lena Dunham at a party) than anything on this album.
― Tim F, Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Stevie D complained that they were playing Ke$ha and not grimes in the S2 bushwick party scene IIRC
― flopson, Monday, 16 November 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
was listening to this in the office today and a coworker asked if they play this music on the radio. I said no, she said they should. so i looked at her like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 16 November 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
"Easily" is nice, i could see that in a commercial
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
I agree that if Grimes ever did anything as monomaniacal as "Honey I'm Good" or "I'm an Albatroaz" she'd have a much better chance of crossing over.
Even "Go" ultimately sounds a bit too deep for the audience it purportedly courts.
― Tim F, Monday, 16 November 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
I wouldn't call them "monomaniacal," I'd call them "fucking weird"!
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 16 November 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
Those kinds of songs don't need a contextual framework because the listener "gets" them within five seconds basically - whereas Grimes' current songs flit and dart all over the place.
― Tim F, Monday, 16 November 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
grimes needs to soundtrack a youtube of squirrel suit people and get with that caffeine beverage $$
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 November 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link
there's even a doppler effect sound in Kill V. Maim. Maybe have a squirrel suit person fly by the camera at that part. it will be huge.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 November 2015 21:41 (eight years ago) link
It's interesting to see how the dissonance triad of "Grimes is a great auteur" / "Art Angels unequivocally shoots for the highs of mainstream pop" / "Mainstream pop is shit music for dumb people" plays out in different individuals. For some, it collapses into "Art Angels is shit and not Grimes' *true* sound"; for some, "Now Grimes is shit"; for some, "mainstream pop is probably OK actually".Of course this doesn't apply to everyone, since there were plenty of people into mainstream pop *and* Grimes, so that they are fine with taking the album as a successful convergence of things they loved already.As for me, I am totally fine with mutually contradictory ideas, so I think G is wonderful, the album is wonderful, and 90% of chart music is shit.
― MatthewK, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link
this song was actually done for the girls soundtrack ftr:
― art baengels (monotony), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 00:41 (eight years ago) link
after M.I.A. and Lana Del Rey and The Weeknd had the gigantic pop hits that various people on ilm hoped or feared would or wouldn't happen (and countless other pop-leaning critical darlings didn't get any chart love), it feels kinda tedious to have this kind of back-and-forth about another artist. maybe it will happen, maybe it won't.
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 00:57 (eight years ago) link
She's not up to it as a live performer to be a pop super star. One of the worst shows I have ever seen live.
― mickcsmith (micarl), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 02:12 (eight years ago) link
Isn't the question not whether or not she could have a pop hit but whether or not there's something intrinsic to her current direction and to her art that could find popular appeal? I don't know the details of Lana del Rey's hit (looks like most of her singles just surfed the lower reaches of the hot 100) but certainly with MIA her hit was a quirk of cinema crossover and a particularly effective sample, an extrinsic quality; she didn't become a charting artist bc she never really had a grasp on what a broad audience is interested in musically; with weeknd something similar happened, he needed songwriting ringers /producers brought in to crossover
Of course there's something about weeknd, del Rey, MIA that has some intrinsic appeal. But while what the chattering classes choose to gravitate towards in an artist may have some broad appeal if properly marketed or reshaped, you're talking about artists who in the main are beloved by a self selecting audience for some quality that doesn't include reaching outwards and instead appeals to a potentially large but still marginal cult
I'm not saying grimes is one of these artists per se.... I think that's why this question of pop has come up so much for her, in addition to her expressed interest in pop, is that she feels like an artist who could potentially have both a writer-appealing sensibility but also write amazing pop records...this album to me feels a bit conservative in that respect, but then I don't think popular appeal is an inherently conservative move
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 02:39 (eight years ago) link
Largely agree with the above - my interest in the above topic is less whether a chart crossover will happen and more the varying overlapping meanings of "pop" that get deployed in these discussions and where this music fits on that blurry venn diagram.
What I could certainly imagine is Grimes writing tunes for other more chart-friendly artists (as per Chairlift) and scoring a hit that way.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 04:19 (eight years ago) link
I just heard the Realiti demo after getting used to the album version and the demo is so astoundingly better. I had forgotten of the extended break in the demo halfway into the song. I'm realizing now that Art Angels is lacking in these moments of clarity. Every song just goes up and up without marveling in the atmosphere that has been created for too long. Visions lived for those moments and Art Angels has killed them almost entirely (Butterfly has a good one and Easily seems to move from one into another).
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 06:27 (eight years ago) link
I'm guessing she'll make her way onto the Radio One playlist before too long but the difference between UK and US radio seems so vast that I wouldn't extrapolate anything from that.
Why do you all like Realiti so much? It's one of the weaker things here for me.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 11:16 (eight years ago) link
Have you heard the demo version Matt? It's quite different.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 12:22 (eight years ago) link
It really isn't.
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 12:28 (eight years ago) link
― welltris (crüt), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 12:33 (eight years ago) link
Not as different as early reactions on this thread suggested, but different enough that the demo sounds like the pinnacle of a sound not captured on this album. Whereas the album version is good but not really a standout (which is not too much of a criticism: everything here is pretty great to awesome IMO).
― Tim F, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 12:35 (eight years ago) link
the demo is sublime, album version nothing special
― niels, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 12:47 (eight years ago) link
if I read spotify correctly Flesh w/o Blood has 3 million listens, that's p good (compare: "Everything is Embarrasing" (2014) has 9 million)
― niels, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 12:48 (eight years ago) link
Also, 3 million views on YouTube.
― ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 12:57 (eight years ago) link
Another thing with the "Realiti" demo is that the video clip is very important to me and a lot of my enjoyment of the song is tied up in the ~vibes~ it disseminates.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 13:02 (eight years ago) link
was suggested upthread that album version is mocking the demo, vocals def seem less sincere to me
― niels, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 13:29 (eight years ago) link
― Matt DC, Tuesday, November 17, 2015 6:16 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it was released early and ppl binged on it when they were starved for grimes
― flopson, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link
not sure I understand what you mean by "less sincere" xp
― welltris (crüt), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link
'sincerity' as a musical criticism term should be a temp ban offence by now
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
the 90s club remix synth sounds kind of insincere, or just bored, like you can picture someone limply pressing down on the keys when they played that part
― flopson, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
― mickcsmitkh (micarl), Monday, November 16, 2015 9:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
did you see her last night at terminal 5?
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
butterfly almost too on the nose for a closer but i love it and never want it to end .
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
i think california could be a mega smash. 'cause i get carried away' gives me chills
― flopson, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
A secret thing with Skinny Puppy? Really?
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
Bringing out guests =/ make her good live
― mickcsmith (micarl), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 22:46 (eight years ago) link
works for taylor swift
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 22:49 (eight years ago) link
i think i'm more amused at this idea you need to be able to bring it live to make it as a pop star
― balls, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:10 (eight years ago) link
oblivion crossed over in ways i never would've imagined, i can see this managing some exponential version of that kind of pop success but radio seems very very unlikely, even if it was smuggled in via movie/tv means. i'm not sure it totally matters now anyway tbh. like there's a level of radio penetration she would need to become a certain kind of megastar, it certainly doesn't hurt to have radio on yr side, but it's not as necessary as it was. on first listen i thought the new one was good but it would never replace oblivion in my heart or whatever but now i'm not so sure. the lyrics do make me wince at times though. still mainly just happy that she pulled it off.
― balls, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:14 (eight years ago) link
There are several songs on here that I could imagine being ubiquitous movie trailer "paper planes"-type megahits, flesh without blood among them. I hope it happens because grimes is brilliant and she deserves to become obscenely rich.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:31 (eight years ago) link
What kind of listener wouldn't dig Pin? Thr dreamy eccentricity of Oblivion is totally absent from a track like this. Nothing in the sound of this album would be weird/unfamiliar/alienating to average pop listeners
― Treeship, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:35 (eight years ago) link
The "dreamy eccentricity" of "Oblivion" was totally its crossover selling point though. It always struck me as pretty likely that "Oblivion" (19.6m youtube views) would enjoy a very similar brand of success as Robyn's "Dancing On My Own" (18.3m youtube views), and certainly it fulfills a similar function as a dancefloor staple at a certain type of house party.
"Pin" is amazing, but I don't know what context it fits into, it's so busy and dense and gloriously self-impatient. I doubt it would alienate listeners, but it doesn't necessarily fulfill a role for groups of listeners either.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link
the janelle monae song is kind of a clunker
― flopson, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 01:44 (eight years ago) link
as usual
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 01:46 (eight years ago) link
Flesh Without Blood feels the most like an alternate universe hit. Don't think she has much interest in being a producer/writer for anyone else now though from what she's said in interviews recently
― ufo, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 04:38 (eight years ago) link
In 2015 pop stars rly need to be able to pull it off live
― albvivertine, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 04:50 (eight years ago) link
If you don't hear the big difference btw demo and album Realiti like why do you even care much what music you listen to
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 04:58 (eight years ago) link
It's like Tim got his hands on one of Al's "by the book" projects and hot rodded the damn thing. And we know the bones of that song can't handle the hot shot synth sound and JTT is bound to crack wise in the kitchen later but the chaos is more interesting.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 06:23 (eight years ago) link
idk about u but i am extremely undiscriminating, everything sounds the same to me. that's why i like all the music i've ever heard except the majority of this album.
― dyl, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 07:13 (eight years ago) link
xps uhm I guess I didn't mean "sincere" in some totally dated or lame way...
I meant (but not able to listen now and confirm my intuitions) that the vocals on realiti demo had some kind of melancholy vibe combined with etheral vocals, as if grimes is singing from some detached place high in the sky, musing on contemporary existence and spleen or whatever, and the album version is more in line with what I hear as general playfulness of singing on album, which works great on the other songs but imo takes away a bit of the urgency on the demo delivery
I also like the demo instrumental better
― niels, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 10:40 (eight years ago) link
I hear the "Welcome to reality" in the demo as very serious and almost zen, like bjork throwing rubbish off the mountaintop, whereas the deliberately cutesy performance of that line on the album is very ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Both work but they give very different resonances to the song.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 11:12 (eight years ago) link
The two versions of Realiti aren't very different as songs but the performance and arrangement leave a totally different impression. Like the album version is so much perkier, there's a sadness to the way she sings the chorus in the demo. It's also a good example of why technically 'better' production doesn't always improve a song - a lot of the elements that add the crunch and rhythmic distinctiveness to the demo are still there in the album version, but they're mixed way down and are just elements floating around in the overall swirl of sound.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 11:30 (eight years ago) link
I think what I mean upthread is that the newer vocal is kind of mocking the sentiment of the demo. This was one of the tracks left on the shelf when she decided the album draft was too depressing and not where she wanted to go, so it's kind of a parody reading as a means of putting distance between the new and the old. As several posters above mention, there is a lot of arch, playful, throwaway vocal work - "Kill V. Maim" is like four-way bickering between Disney and Pokémon characters.
― MatthewK, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 12:26 (eight years ago) link
What the album version reminds me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-PYqUHfTMA
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 13:48 (eight years ago) link
this album is god damn amazing
― flopson, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link
'california' tripped me up when i first heard it and some of the early neg reactions in this thread tempered my expectations. but now i'm just, completely hooked on this shit. i really needed this album to be good cause i overdosed on visions too hard & can't really listen to it anymore, so grateful its a masterpiece
― flopson, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
The demo version has a lot more space and dynamics to it, and the rhythm tracks are done in a way that gives them more of a funky syncopation and push-pull, and the vocal performance has more of a melancholy tinge. Also yeah the video is incredible and makes me want to go to every single place featured.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
the (demo) vocal performance has more of a melancholy tinge
― MatthewK, Thursday, 19 November 2015 00:18 (eight years ago) link
Given the album has gotten mostly positive press I think Grimes' complaint was perhaps a little premature.
This could easily end up album of the year though my top 5 or so is now looking very clustered.
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 November 2015 00:37 (eight years ago) link
Not at the time she wrote that song, though. The reaction to her pop oriented material was pretty excoriating prior to Realiti. I live this album too, but I'd be very interested to know what your other top 5 contenders are.
― MatthewK, Thursday, 19 November 2015 00:57 (eight years ago) link
*love
― MatthewK, Thursday, 19 November 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link
Yeah I assume she was thinking of "Go" (though to me that song actually feels pretty sad anyway!).
Other top 5 contenders are Julia Holter, Vince Staples, Carly Rae Jepsen, HEALTH, Years & Years, Dawn Richard.
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 November 2015 03:19 (eight years ago) link
Thanks - like the Staples a lot and hadn't got around to HEALTH yet.
― MatthewK, Thursday, 19 November 2015 06:19 (eight years ago) link
Go is great imo but took 3-4 listens for me to really get into, maybe that hampered its chances
― albvivertine, Thursday, 19 November 2015 07:22 (eight years ago) link
can we talk abt how "Easily" sounds like some underwater shimmery late 90's William Orbit production and how it's so wonderful?
― Ina-Garten-Da-Vida (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
how great wd the instrumental middle bit be as the soundtrack to like a water level in Super Mario 64
― Ina-Garten-Da-Vida (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
how great wd it be if Grimes re-scored the soundtrack to Super Mario 64
or just make this gamehttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1484956/grimes%20only%20for%20n64.png
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:35 (eight years ago) link
looks like a solid sequel to mischief makers
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:40 (eight years ago) link
mischief makers' gameplay did have this great spacious melancholy feel
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link
Just realized this will be one of the first years I'll have a compatible list with Tim F. Grimes, Jepsen, Staples and Holter are also on my list and I haven't heard the others. I loved HEALTH previous albums I guess it's time to check this one.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link
― Ina-Garten-Da-Vida (Stevie D(eux)), jueves 19 de noviembre de 2015 17:08 (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, I think it was mentioned upthread that it sounds a lot like Madonna's Ray of Light. The song I'm actually reminded the most of is "what it feels like for a girl" which wasn't produced by Orbit but it was definitely influenced by him.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
shake-shake
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
Really love this album, and I wonder how nobody is reminded to Xenomania from the 00s. "Artangels" especially is like a Girls Aloud song.
― zeus, Thursday, 19 November 2015 23:01 (eight years ago) link
Yeah there's a strong Xenomania circa "Graffiti My Soul" vibe.
I'm also hopeful that "Artangels" (the song) spurs a revival of interest in EMF and Big Audio Dynamite.
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 November 2015 23:20 (eight years ago) link
ed was at the jukebox: http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=18736
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 19 November 2015 23:32 (eight years ago) link
Ah, haven't seen it, thanks. Good to see the Grimes and the Susanne Sundfor song getting so much love there too.
BTW, did Claire really say that she wouldn't do producing for someone else? Because Grimes producing Nicola Roberts would be a dream collaboration.
― zeus, Thursday, 19 November 2015 23:52 (eight years ago) link
― MatthewK, Friday, 20 November 2015 03:24 (eight years ago) link
Well, it's my birthday #30 in two weeks and I'll surely be sneaking something off this album into the dj's set. Any suggestions on songs and what to pair them with?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 20 November 2015 08:10 (eight years ago) link
"Kill V. Maim" with a Le Tigre-song from their last album?
― zeus, Friday, 20 November 2015 08:22 (eight years ago) link
you mean "this island" that was released 11 years ago. Unless they released a new album this year and I'm not aware of it. Le Tigre in general is a good fit and sounds great at parties.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 20 November 2015 08:35 (eight years ago) link
I just googled for Le Tigre's discography and the only thing they've worked on ever since 'This Island' is production for this Christina Aguilera single feat. Peaches:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flmNYNQCgY
Which actually sounds like a Le Tigre song feat. Peaches. I can't hear Christina Aguilera anywhere.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 20 November 2015 08:47 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I meant This Island.
― zeus, Friday, 20 November 2015 10:27 (eight years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), 20. november 2015 09:10 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The rhythm track from California reminds me of an indie version of Single Ladies. So those two?
― Frederik B, Friday, 20 November 2015 11:31 (eight years ago) link
I was going to say that a lot of this album reminded me of Girls Aloud (Kill v Maim especially is like the sort of kitchen sink 'oh fuck it why not?' banger that would occur 3/4 of the way through a GA album), but I was too sheepish to actually do so.
― Matt DC, Friday, 20 November 2015 12:01 (eight years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes,_California
― welltris (crüt), Friday, 20 November 2015 12:27 (eight years ago) link
Genius says California samples Pon de Replay. So mixing those two?
― Frederik B, Friday, 20 November 2015 13:05 (eight years ago) link
yeah, many songs remind of other pop/rnb hits of the last years."Venus Fly" has a "(Girls) Run the World" vibe.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 20 November 2015 14:04 (eight years ago) link
Ah yes I knew there was a pon de replay sample. It isn't that obvious at first listen but could be mixed with any of the songs that used the sample.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 20 November 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link
silly article from the gawker biosphere: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/grimes-is-a-very-awkward-pop-star-which-makes-art-ange-1741376304
Here’s the second-best jam, “Realiti,” in slightly modified form—it first showed up in March as the teaser for another album Boucher very theatrically scrapped, because “it sucked.” (You get to love the theater of it all with her.)
wha?
― flappy bird, Friday, 20 November 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
there is not a pon de replay sample on california
― james brooks, Friday, 20 November 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
silly article from the gawker biosphere
― MatthewK, Friday, 20 November 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link
― james brooks,
As stated on her siriusXM takeover, “California” is a hate track towards the music website Pitchfork. This hate may be the result of various misinterpretations of her words, and Grimes has expressed her discontent in her tweets.The beat of the song also samples Pon De Replay by Rihanna.
The beat of the song also samples Pon De Replay by Rihanna.
http://genius.com/Grimes-california-lyrics
Maybe you're thinking about Pon De Floor? Pon De Replay and California definitely have the same beat throughout. I'm not completely sure it's a sample but it's definitely the same beat. Only Grimes added the sound of something like a kicked bucket in there.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 20 November 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
This is pon de replay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnhYHGimYkQ
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 20 November 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link
In the grimes song it gets clear it's the same beat when she starts singing. 0:18 in California or so.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 20 November 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
It's pretty much a variation on the Diwali Riddim so you can easily mix California with the other artists sampling Diwali:
Lumidee, Sean Paul, Rihanna, Brick and Lace....
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 20 November 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link
it's easy to happen upon that beat when programming drums without consciously referencing anything in particular, especially when you're primed to respond to it having heard it in a bunch of different places
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 20 November 2015 22:11 (eight years ago) link
its not a sample, is the correct argument here
it does appear to be a conscious use of the same or a similar drum pattern imo
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 20 November 2015 22:50 (eight years ago) link
hey now genius is such a trustworthy source
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 20 November 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
i defer to songmeanings.net
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 November 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link
i think if anyone's a trustworthy source here it's james
― j. winters (josh), Friday, 20 November 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link
Lmao Moka you're literally talking to Grimes' bf.
― art baengels (monotony), Friday, 20 November 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link
Oh! Hahaha it's that James Brooks? Ok, sorry, in my defense I was saying it was a similar beat and I wasn't sure it was actually a sample. Tried looking for sources on the claim and couldn't find any other than that genius link.
So, maybe James could clear that up? Is it intentionally based on the Diwalli riddim?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 21 November 2015 02:27 (eight years ago) link
sounds like a great question someone could ask her in an interview sometime
― james brooks, Saturday, 21 November 2015 03:41 (eight years ago) link
wow the suspense is killing me
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 21 November 2015 03:44 (eight years ago) link
I know it isn't I was just curious. Ok, not a sample got it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 21 November 2015 03:54 (eight years ago) link
i was serious though
― james brooks, Saturday, 21 November 2015 04:12 (eight years ago) link
I can never tell in here when anyone's serious or not.
unrelated note, but knowing you're around: I got one of the early watermelon versions of Ruin and I love the packaging. I have only played it once since I saw on discogs mine's supposedly rare and only 100+ copies of this particular version were printed.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 21 November 2015 04:30 (eight years ago) link
Is it really rare or was I fooled?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 21 November 2015 04:33 (eight years ago) link
this is definitely not the not the diwali riddim, which is about twice as busy at least -- check something like elephant man's city lock. but pon de replay wasn't diwali either -- it had the same syncopation but also was less busy. this isn't a sample of that either, tho its close -- you can hear the curve of a hand-played tabla drum or similar in the pon de replay beat.
that said, yeah you could drop it into a diwali set and sort of get away with it, and its hard not to imagine this was on purpose.
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Saturday, 21 November 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
Saw her live last night. It was fun but very short and she only did a couple of songs from the new album. It seems like a strange decision to me. "Kill V. Maim" was really good though.
― LeRooLeRoo, Sunday, 22 November 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link
yeah 'kill v maim' went so hard
― flopson, Sunday, 22 November 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
it's clearly not sampled from either but the beat is far closer to "pon de replay" than diwali imo
― The Cuddling Of The American Mind (some dude), Sunday, 22 November 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
for anyone that saw her on this rhinestone cowgirls tour - what's the setup? is she playing solo or with touring musicians? eager to hear about a rescheduled DC date
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
solo with 2 dancers and light show, don't regret going but pretty wack overall. i missed nicole doppelganger
― flopson, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
passable phone footage here from 2 days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq2kaJMEW1g
― she used alt+3 like an ascii heart (NickB), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link
interesting, what was wack? short set? lack of new songs? performance?
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 18:20 (eight years ago) link
Personal opinion watching her live in a festival two years ago: The performance wasn't great. I assume it's how reliant of studio environment her songs are, there's not too much of a 'live' sound. The aspect that translates better to a live environment is her voice but even that element is heavily reliant on studio trickery (loops, reverb, delay, multiple tracking).
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
i thought her voice was pretty good live. she's definitely better in smaller rooms but i think she brings it for the most part.
nicole dollanganger's show was pretty rough. nice voice but needs a lot of work.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
performance was fun i like her dancemoves, just sounded kinda weird. the melodies on the visions stuff were drowned by super loud bass. "kill v maim" sounded amazing. the other new album stuff she played (scream, venus fly) were ok but were probably the trax from the new album i least wanted to see live
― flopson, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 19:43 (eight years ago) link
Watching her now, like a neat basement party. Like her presence even if it seemed a little under conceived as a performance. Pretty much a muddle of beats, bass and reverb though. Wish a lot of songs stretched longer to take advantage of aforementioned.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 03:29 (eight years ago) link
I should say, the professionally amateurism is ultimately pretty endearing.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 03:36 (eight years ago) link
I'm hoping, probably in vain, that she adds a few more songs from the new album to the setlist by the time I see her in February.
― art baengels (monotony), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 04:15 (eight years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago
I think this depends on the venue. On a smaller venue it can be adorable. On a big, crowded venue the quality of the music being played is very important as most of the people in there can't really watch the stage. You're confined to your small space where you can barely dance and if you try to look at the stage there's a high chance there will be the sweaty neck of some dude in the way.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 05:59 (eight years ago) link
Still waiting to get the CD so I can listen to this. #luddite
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 07:51 (eight years ago) link
#insight
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 09:41 (eight years ago) link
One does one's best b
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 09:55 (eight years ago) link
some dude and his sweaty neck
― she used alt+3 like an ascii heart (NickB), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 10:00 (eight years ago) link
Biggest disappointment was how short the songs were. She's essentially making dance music, but her songs, as such, are pretty short. It would have been easy to stretch them out a bit more rather than squeeze 12 tracks into a 60 minute performance. She likes to dance, she has dancers, people were dancing - why not just make it a dance party? She's doing some live triggering, which gives her a bit of flexibility. Why not embrace it? I really liked the energy of "Scream," for example, but it felt like it was over in just a couple of minutes. Same with the other standouts, like Venus Fly or Kill Vs. Maim. Tbh she's really not my thing, so I'm in no position to suggest, and people seemed to be into it, but people seem to be into anything. It's a pretty low bar to make people happy if they're already on board, but she nonetheless could use a little more ambition or, um, vision. Anyway, she's still working stuff out.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:20 (eight years ago) link
How do you know who is already on board?
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 November 2015 05:23 (eight years ago) link
I was just at a grimes show and I can tell you it's pretty easy lol
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 26 November 2015 05:24 (eight years ago) link
But will I believe you?
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 November 2015 05:26 (eight years ago) link
In undergrad, my roommates had an econ professor whose biggest claim to fame was apparently telling frito lay to "put more chips in the bag." I'm imagining a music crit career launched by Josh telling Grimes to "put more minutes in the songs." Boom. Grimes is bigger than Adele.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 November 2015 05:34 (eight years ago) link
But the analogy doesn't work so well bc the people who like chips probably do actually want more chips.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 November 2015 05:37 (eight years ago) link
Idk felt like a reasonable critique to me. Would it work? Who knows! But I get where he's coming from.
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 26 November 2015 05:58 (eight years ago) link
Don't know that artists should approach their shows as if they are wedding dinner menus. And "people seem to be into anything" is just unknowable and mean.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 November 2015 06:08 (eight years ago) link
lol maybe a bit hyperbolic but in general i think 'fans of artist who pay money for the show like the show no matter what' isn't like, completely out of line.
hes thinking like a DJ where ppl generally dont know who you are & you have to convert them via selection/sequence/showmanship or whatever...artists can be more or less ambitious in their attempt to reach non-fans depending on their wont
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 26 November 2015 06:52 (eight years ago) link
Not sure many of these songs would benefit from being stretched out that much frankly, one or two of the softer ones near the end maybe, otherwise its punchiness is one of its main virtues.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 26 November 2015 10:52 (eight years ago) link
pin rules everything around me
― flappy bird, Friday, 27 November 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link
i love the lyrics in the verse
Dirt in your fingernailsBlood on your kneesBut did that ever make you happy?I think you were my best friendGentle do not reprehendI know it hasn't been a dreamBut if you pardon, I will mendDrunk in a parking lotJust after threeTearin' out your hair like a bansheeLighter and a safety pinLight the end, burn the skinI'll stick to you foreverCause this scar I think is permanent
― flopson, Friday, 27 November 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
I think you were my best friendGentle do not reprehendI know it hasn't been a dreamBut if you pardon, I will mend
^this part in particular reads so nice. great writing
― flopson, Friday, 27 November 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link
this is my AOTY
― flopson, Friday, 27 November 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
that stanza's corrupted puck
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 27 November 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link
really? lol
― flopson, Friday, 27 November 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
(puck soliciting applause from the audience, no less-- v meta album!)
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 27 November 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour)
Can someone explain this to me? English is not my first language and I have no idea what a 'corrupted puck' is. The wiki articles on Puck only left me more confuseD:
Puck may refer to:
ObjectsHockey puckPuck, a graphics tablet accessoryPuck, the coffee grounds inside an espresso machine portafilter
Fictional charactersPuck (mythology), a folklore characterPuck (A Midsummer Night's Dream), a character from Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's DreamPuck, from the Faeries CBS TV specialPuck, from Gargoyles animated seriesPuck, the eponymous character from Rudyard Kipling's Puck of Pook's Hill and its sequelPuck, from The Sandman series of comic booksPuck, from The Sisters Grimm series of novelsPuck (comics), the codename of two Marvel charactersPuck (Glee), from the musical comedy-drama GleePuck (Love Birds), youngest penguin from the Robert J. Sherman musical Love BirdsPeter Puck, a hockey-puck-shaped cartoon characterPuck, a character from the Berserk manga and anime series
LiteraturePuck (magazine), an 1871–1918 humor publicationPuck (literary magazine), a 1990s publicationPuck, a novel by Ouida
PlacesPuck, PolandPuck (moon), a moon of UranusPuck Building, a Manhattan landmarkBay of Puck, in the Baltic Sea
People
David "Puck" Rainey, reality TV personalityTheodore Puck (1916–2005), American geneticistWolfgang Puck (born 1949), Austrian celebrity chef and restaurateur
Other usesPuck Fair, an Irish festivalPuck, a monotypic genus of dreamer from the family Oneirodidae.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:02 (eight years ago) link
Puck (A Midsummer Night's Dream), a character from Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream
― Karl Rove Knausgård (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:03 (eight years ago) link
If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended—
That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend.
If you pardon, we will mend.
And, as I am an honest Puck,
If we have unearnèd luck
Now to ’scape the serpent’s tongue,
We will make amends ere long.
Else the Puck a liar call.
So good night unto you all.
Give me your hands if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.
― Karl Rove Knausgård (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:07 (eight years ago) link
I guess that makes this the second time I've heard a song this year by a Canadian artist originally from British Columbia that used lines from the ending of A Midsummer's Nights Dream.
The other being the very end of the closing track from Marianas Trench's Astoria.
― MarkoP, Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:22 (eight years ago) link
anyone else love the title track? the chorus vocals are my fav moment on this
― dutch_justice, Sunday, 29 November 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
ya her vocals on artangels are heavenly, esp the part she sings in french
― pplasma, Sunday, 29 November 2015 23:40 (eight years ago) link
It must be me, but I keep hearing the melody of this over Artangels and I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.
― ArchCarrier, Monday, 30 November 2015 13:07 (eight years ago) link
Fine pop tune with ace vocalist with pedigree. Whats not to like?
― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 30 November 2015 13:17 (eight years ago) link
Whatever pop station they play at my gym played Flesh Without Blood today.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
Flesh without blood seems to quote Bubble Pop briefly
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:09 (eight years ago) link
so our four yr old's favorite musician is officially Grimes and his favorite music video is Realiti. he made some fan art for it too, complete with lyrics. i've caught him singing 'oh baby every morning there are mountains to climb' on a handful of occasions.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-03%20at%2010.58.56%20AM_zpstrvbyito.png
― nomar, Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
aw
― ﷽ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:08 (eight years ago) link
Cute.
― how's life, Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
no joke, you should send those to grimes, she would probably love them
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
GRIMS!!!!
i meant to post another version of the pic i had that was a bit cropped for privacy's sake but that's alright i guess.
after my family-wide steely dan taste-making failure i'm glad grimes worked out.
― nomar, Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
omg
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
guys how do we send these to Claire omg
― cory artangel (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
twitter
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
the internet
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
my lil buddy would probably be happy if grimes saw his drawing but I bet she gets lots of art tweeted at her!
― nomar, Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
you could tag her on instagram maybe idk
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
she likes to see it! her instagram is peppered with posts of fan art, especially when you look about 10 to 15 weeks ago
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 December 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
well I posted it and tagged her before....but now I realize that my account had been made private before that so I'll try again!
― nomar, Thursday, 3 December 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
Pfft, he probably doesn't really like Grimes. He's just trying to convince the Tumblr crowd that he is "with it".
― MarkoP, Thursday, 3 December 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
i LOL every time i get to the "pokemon reference" part of the openning track now
― flopson, Thursday, 3 December 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
Seems like james logs in here every now and again so maybe he'll see it and pass it on
― art baengels (monotony), Thursday, 3 December 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
^^^ Whiney has made an invaluable contribution to the critical discourse around this record.
― Tim F, Thursday, 3 December 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
looooooool
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Thursday, 3 December 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
@MarkoP
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Thursday, 3 December 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
I haven't paid much attention to the critical discourse surrounding this record, but the Pokemon thing was apparent to me from first listen.
― how's life, Friday, 4 December 2015 01:49 (eight years ago) link
1. she loved the fan art
2. it is not a pokemon reference. it is just a lyric that contains the phrase "catch them all"
― james brooks, Friday, 4 December 2015 01:54 (eight years ago) link
oh dang that's awesome! I just told him and he was super excited and happy. <3
― nomar, Friday, 4 December 2015 02:22 (eight years ago) link
this is all super adorable!
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 December 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link
that made our day!
― nomar, Friday, 4 December 2015 02:39 (eight years ago) link
dang that made MY day and i'm just a guy on a grimes thread
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 December 2015 03:49 (eight years ago) link
ditto
― dynamicinterface, Friday, 4 December 2015 05:02 (eight years ago) link
^^
― ArchCarrier, Friday, 4 December 2015 08:49 (eight years ago) link
I like the Natalie Prass cover of "REALiTi"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bviqJAUPkDw
― jaymc, Friday, 4 December 2015 13:19 (eight years ago) link
*quietly erases team rocket-themed response record*
― how's life, Friday, 4 December 2015 13:35 (eight years ago) link
Flesh without blood is TIME's best song of 2015.
http://time.com/4132832/top-10-best-songs-2/
It's not even the best song off the album! Butterfly and Eazily are current favorites. Of the singles I think flesh is my least favorite. Kill maim and the song that samples Rihanna are better.
Realiti (demo) is the best Grimes song this year, though.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 5 December 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link
nomar yr kid is rad
― crime breeze (schlump), Saturday, 5 December 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
So this won NME album of the year? Not that I'm a fan of NME, but cool that they for once get something right.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 5 December 2015 19:06 (eight years ago) link
thanks schlump, he is a swell dude
― nomar, Saturday, 5 December 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
― james brooks, Friday, 4 December 2015 01:54 (Yesterday) Permalink
― nomar, Friday, 4 December 2015 02:22 (Yesterday) Permalink
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 December 2015 02:24 (Yesterday) Permalink
― nomar, Friday, 4 December 2015 02:39 (Yesterday) Permalink
Awesome!
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 5 December 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link
that is fantastic
― balls, Sunday, 6 December 2015 15:10 (eight years ago) link
and the song that samples Rihanna
._.
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 December 2015 01:52 (eight years ago) link
Preach.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 7 December 2015 01:53 (eight years ago) link
preaching
― niels, Monday, 7 December 2015 12:59 (eight years ago) link
that is, I completely agree and participate in spreading the word (demo)
― niels, Monday, 7 December 2015 13:00 (eight years ago) link
I couldn't find a physical copy of Art Angels (any format) anywhere in London yesterday. I traipsed all over, looking.
Either the NME has some influence still or it's a complete irrelevance, not sure which.
― Jeff W, Monday, 7 December 2015 13:19 (eight years ago) link
don't think the physical copy is out for another few days still
agree with the all love for Realiti (demo)
runners-up at the moment are probably Butterfly, Artangels and Flesh Without Blood
― ufo, Monday, 7 December 2015 13:27 (eight years ago) link
released December 11
― Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 7 December 2015 13:43 (eight years ago) link
oh, OK. Thanks! Could've sworn I'd seen it on shelves a few weeks ago when released digitally. Just my imagination.
― Jeff W, Monday, 7 December 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link
This showed up in my mailbox today.
Nice to finally have it to take with me.
― Austin, Thursday, 10 December 2015 01:39 (eight years ago) link
Serious question: had this album been released in February, would it rate as high on year end-lists?
To draw a comparison, Bjork released her album in January and it made it to most "mid-year lists" but it seems everybody forgot about it 10 months later when they hype died down.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 December 2015 09:20 (eight years ago) link
Maybe that Bjork album just wasn't that sticky when it came down to it?
Like, the Dawn Richard album came out really early this year, there was 0 hype outside ILM and yet I still listen to it.
I have no idea if Art Angels is going to wear off in a few months. But this is my problem with year-end lists, really. I don't really decide what the "best albums of a year" were until halfway through the next one, but then you lose the zeitgeisty sense of ~now~ I guess.
― Toot Your Hütter On Pollution Now! (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 10 December 2015 09:31 (eight years ago) link
The Bjork album is somewhere on most of the EOY lists I've seen, and that's doing pretty well for a dense, dark, often inaccessible and intensely personal album from an artist several decades into their career. Certainly not comparable to a light, fun, energetic pop record from an artist who's been one of the big buzz artists of the last couple of years.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 December 2015 13:11 (eight years ago) link
wait this doesn't make any sense? it being on most EOY lists surely means people haven't forgotten about it?
and yeah its appeal isn't really along the lines of constant social media conversation (plus a lot of björk's post-album activity, like the moma exhibition, had an underwhelming reception) - that doesn't mean it's been forgotten
― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 December 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link
oh wait sorry i misread, you said mid-year lists
(but it HAS been on virtually every EOY list as well)
― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 December 2015 14:19 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi2N5KHgO80
― markers, Thursday, 10 December 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
i'm looking at this thread on my phone so i'm just assuming markers embedded the blink 182 "i miss you" video
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 December 2015 23:43 (eight years ago) link
FADER put out a short documentary on her. I just posted the video.
But, for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY
(It is here that I will note that I don’t have Flash installed on this machine, so when I’m posting from Safari, my primary browser, I actually can’t see my own videos once I’ve posted them. All of those Blink embeds become whitespace.)
― markers, Friday, 11 December 2015 00:02 (eight years ago) link
markers did you preserve her "ween r canonical" tweet? I think she deleted it
― welltris (crüt), Friday, 11 December 2015 00:15 (eight years ago) link
I think I might’ve seen that because I think I might’ve confused Ween with Wheatus at first or something like that. I don’t think I have the tweet, but it looks like it happened around ten days or so ago.
There is this: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%3Agrimezsz%20ween&src=typd
― markers, Friday, 11 December 2015 05:11 (eight years ago) link
I'm still not sure how I feel about this album. At times it seems like exactly the right direction for her to go in after Visions, at other times maybe more like a noble misfire, or an awkward transitional album. The production sometimes seems to be trying too hard to fill up every nook and cranny of the song, whereas Visions and "Realiti (Demo)" were much more spacious. Maybe it's churlish to complain about an album having too many good ideas, but that's kind of where I'm at, for now at least.
― o. nate, Saturday, 12 December 2015 03:27 (eight years ago) link
I wish I had more to say about this album, but I just like it fine and that's about it. It's good and catchy.
― Austin, Saturday, 12 December 2015 03:33 (eight years ago) link
I so love albums with too many ideas :) It's definitely a matter of taste, but the overflow of ideas is a huge part of why this is my favorite album of 15.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 12 December 2015 11:47 (eight years ago) link
i picked this up today, pretty disappointing for me, but then again i don't really like pop music. much preferred "visions" and "giedi primes".
― the late great, Monday, 14 December 2015 02:17 (eight years ago) link
TLG are you doing a list this yr
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 14 December 2015 02:34 (eight years ago) link
no, i don't really listen to enough new music to warrant that
― the late great, Monday, 14 December 2015 02:36 (eight years ago) link
maybe a house/techno singles list but not an albums thing or anything like that
i did pick up a lot of reissues but reissues lists are pretty boring imo
― the late great, Monday, 14 December 2015 02:39 (eight years ago) link
the "kill v maim" / "artangels" / "easily" stretch in the middle is pretty undeniable
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 06:10 (eight years ago) link
i can't believe my favorite song on Art Angels (Pin) isn't even in the top 10 most listened to songs from the album on the Spotify listening stats...inconceivable!
― pplasma, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
Is there some kind of sample clearance problem with "Butterfly"? Just got the LP today, and getting the digital copy (because Spotify is garbage, mobile Spotify doubly so) was alerted that "due to a publishing issue" it would be omitted from the download :(
I mean I've still got it on the actual record, it's just hard to carry around a turntable everywhere
― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 17 December 2015 04:53 (eight years ago) link
It does have a sample.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 17 December 2015 06:34 (eight years ago) link
http://youtu.be/E2ARRas4R4A
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 17 December 2015 06:36 (eight years ago) link
It might be difficult to get clearance on it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 17 December 2015 06:39 (eight years ago) link
It's weird, though, it's for sale digitally everywhere with (AFAICT) the sample intact. Not a huge deal, though, just grabbed it from slsk
― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 17 December 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link
Did anyone else notice that the physical CD of Art Angels includes the REALiTi demo as a bonus track?
― MatthewK, Saturday, 26 December 2015 00:29 (eight years ago) link
Yep. Got it yesterday.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 December 2015 01:34 (eight years ago) link
i love grimes so much and art angels has brightened my year more than anything else thank you claire
― home organ, Saturday, 26 December 2015 05:01 (eight years ago) link
Love this album too, probably even more than visions, which I never fully connected with at the time. I have gone back to it after listening to Art Angels and it's definitely better Than I remembered.
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 26 December 2015 22:47 (eight years ago) link
yeah this is better than visions, even though "circumambient" is still my favorite grimes song
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 December 2015 22:48 (eight years ago) link
I don’t know who Grimes is, but I hope to find out in 2016.
― markers, Saturday, 26 December 2015 23:52 (eight years ago) link
visions is in my top 5 of the decade but, it has some clunkers. the singing in "eight" (production is cool, i like that synth that sounds like its saying SCHTROINGTHSCHTROINGTH) and some of the last stretch like "nightmusic". i listened to art angels the other day for the first time since post-release binge and it felt hollow at several moments that used to be euphoric. i loved it so much at first that i turned it off attributing my reaction to my mood, now i'm afraid to listen again D-:
― flopson, Sunday, 27 December 2015 00:01 (eight years ago) link
http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/828259/26629230/1445890787463/grimes_rihanna_00.jpg
― flappy bird, Sunday, 27 December 2015 00:02 (eight years ago) link
more like fart angels. I do like this, though
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 27 December 2015 01:22 (eight years ago) link
the art/fart pun is the pizza! of all art departments
― Sufjan Grafton, Sunday, 27 December 2015 01:31 (eight years ago) link
going back to listen to visions the difference in production is so stark, almost makes me pine for a re-recorded version now that she's leveled up but I'd rather just have new songs especially given the tedious musing the two versions of realiti provoked
this album is absolutely my favourite of the year tho. I can't remember being as immediately and consistently besotted with a record. it is pure energy. most of the discourse around it seemed way off to me, but lindsay zoladz's line about it being superhero music for introverts deserves a ✓ and mb expansion. there's something v nourishing about it, a source of power I have been continually diving into. it's both hugely expansive in the range it covers and incredibly dense and fast-paced, she really charges through it – the percussion is the key secret ingredient giving it a radio/dj set energy – & the whole thing is such a blast, it's been something I've just played it over and over (and I'm not really the looping type). I maintain that righteous is the best description of the vox. the depth & layers are still there but they're also pushed right into the foreground which gives it an immediacy and all this wonderful high drama that wasn't possible in the older stuff. so much of it is pure exhilarating release; if you skipped at random there's a good chance you'd land in a moment of her holding some long vowel sound over the top of the roar of whatever enormous machine she happens to be piloting. this being balanced of course by her supreme poise elsewhere: coolly dispatching all-comers when she comes in on world princess pt 2, or that impossibly exquisite flattened singing on the verse of butterfly which butters you up perfectly for the chorus - which is the point on my first listen at which I threw my hands up and decided there was going to be no accounting for this album bc it's just too much.
I was content with my own untranslatable private obsession with this album, but I was chatting to my now-distant best friend I grew up with, who doesn't chat much about music and afaik had never expressed any prior knowledge of or interest in grimes, and he totally unprovoked started raving about it, and I felt that warm glow of satisfaction, which I have disavowed in the past as cheap adolescent tribalism, but which I think can be a legit recognition of that shared experience, knowing he was hearing it just right and feeling the same way. anyway this album just rules, I am so happy about it
― ogmor, Sunday, 27 December 2015 03:42 (eight years ago) link
good post
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Sunday, 27 December 2015 04:06 (eight years ago) link
yes, I enjoyed reading this!
― Dan S, Sunday, 27 December 2015 04:10 (eight years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 27 December 2015 04:14 (eight years ago) link
so much of it is pure exhilarating release; if you skipped at random there's a good chance you'd land in a moment of her holding some long vowel sound over the top of the roar of whatever enormous machine she happens to be piloting.
beautifully put & otm
― flopson, Sunday, 27 December 2015 04:19 (eight years ago) link
Big love for the wordless coos in "Belly of the Beat" which is just sheer beauty front to back. Haven't tired of any of it yet. Am cross-pollinating my daughters from Tay-Tay to Grimes, the other morning I caught one of them singing the hook from "California", WIN.
― MatthewK, Sunday, 27 December 2015 09:50 (eight years ago) link
i haven't listened to this in a few weeks but I hear 'Pin' spinning in my head every day
― flappy bird, Sunday, 27 December 2015 17:57 (eight years ago) link
ogmor: nourishing
yes, exactly, thank you for sharing
― home organ, Sunday, 27 December 2015 21:18 (eight years ago) link
i love that there are two versions of realiti and that we have them both. imagine this was never a problem before music was recorded
― home organ, Sunday, 27 December 2015 21:43 (eight years ago) link
I never thought the demo of realiti could be bettered, but the album version has grown on me a lot to the point where I think they are equally great in their own way.
I keep forgetting Janelle Monae is on this album. Stealthiest guest spot I've heard in awhile.
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 27 December 2015 21:51 (eight years ago) link
on the umpteenth listen on the bus this morning, i suddenly no longer feel there are pacing issues with the front-end of the album. for weeks i started with Flesh Without Blood as the first track and played from there, bouncing to California later. but now the first 4 tracks sound very natural together.
on another note, 'laughing and not being normal' is almost a ballsier statement of her MO than California as a diss song to industry/online culture/whatever. busting out such a beautiful violin-based composition with the ethereal opera vocals etc... stronger statement than the lyrics on California or maybe just a more subtle one.
― mingalaba, Thursday, 7 January 2016 01:21 (eight years ago) link
anxious to see if she'll reschedule the cancelled DC & Philly dates any time soon...
― flappy bird, Thursday, 7 January 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
I just noticed her twitter, did you see that nomar?
― ogmor, Monday, 11 January 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
no??
― nomar, Monday, 11 January 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
grims!
― nomar, Monday, 11 January 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link
this will be a good anecdote for him in later years
― ogmor, Monday, 11 January 2016 19:14 (eight years ago) link
i'm sure it's coincidental.....?
― nomar, Monday, 11 January 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link
link? is it about bowie?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 11 January 2016 19:18 (eight years ago) link
given the timing and that we've already heard it was well-received I think it's unlikely to be a coincidence
― ogmor, Monday, 11 January 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
Are you guys referring to the spelling of her name? I think she said that Grims is Grimes in French.
― markers, Monday, 11 January 2016 19:28 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/683437639777697792
(I think that may be referring to what we’re talking about.)
― markers, Monday, 11 January 2016 19:29 (eight years ago) link
imo any msg that ends haha wld not stand up in court
― ogmor, Monday, 11 January 2016 19:34 (eight years ago) link
ciggy pixeldust @MidasCharles @arbutusrecords I heard a rumor that you guys might reissue Geidi Primes + Halfaxa vinyl in 2016, is this true?
Arbutus Records @arbutusrecords@MidasCharles stay tuned...
― nomar, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
also grimes said on twitter the rights revert back to her on those albums in 9 years so if they don't reissue them (and it looks like they may) that's how long we'd wait. i have them on CD. feels inadequate!!
― nomar, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:27 (eight years ago) link
if you gotta have it on vinyl you gotta have it on vinyl but fuck arbutus records
― james brooks, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 21:36 (eight years ago) link
pre-order http://arbutusrecords.com/?p=3740
― Frozen CD, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 01:28 (eight years ago) link
― markers, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 01:34 (eight years ago) link
if you listen to her early stuff at a decent volume the amount of clipping is insane (i get it, she barely knew how to record at the time), i suppose a vinyl pressing would only make those issues worse.
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 01:57 (eight years ago) link
I may as well hold off on giving arbutus money if they're dbags, I trust the intel. Ps does grimes have any shirts sized 4t, asking for a friend.
― nomar, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 04:39 (eight years ago) link
what you got against arbooties?
― flopson, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 05:02 (eight years ago) link
m4rilis not a dbag imho
― flopson, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 05:04 (eight years ago) link
She doesn't work there anymore! she works for me now
― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 14:56 (eight years ago) link
oh, ha!
― flopson, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 15:28 (eight years ago) link
can i work for u
― gr8080, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 21:32 (eight years ago) link
gr8080 back me up on this, there are some cuts on art angels that give me total balearic vibes. i was driving through l.a. on a recent sun kissed day and listening to this and it hit me.
― nomar, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 21:34 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2EJMd7ZN7w
― how's life, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link
Marilyn Manson x Britney Spears
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link
"you died" <3
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 17:38 (eight years ago) link
psyched grimes is here to rehabilitate the aesthetic of the matrix: reloaded
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link
literally thought u meant she had started posting
― sounding like a silly Iain Banks on a truck (imago), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link
haha the Dark Souls 'You Died'
― ufo, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:37 (eight years ago) link
wasn't there a Janet Jackson video kind of like this from early 2000s? i seem to remember her in a cyberpunk cgi wonderland that reminded me of this...
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link
this is def my favorite grimes song now
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 15:09 (eight years ago) link
"california" has been in my head for days. i'm another listener that didn't like visions but love everything about art angels.
― Mordy, Friday, 22 January 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link
Yeah can I get a late pass on California please? Undeniable.
― RA the Rugged Advisor (Mr Andy M), Sunday, 24 January 2016 19:55 (eight years ago) link
i think that song may blow up
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 24 January 2016 20:01 (eight years ago) link
It's probably my favorite from the album as well.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 24 January 2016 20:03 (eight years ago) link
thanks for hooking me up with Realiti you guys, didn't like it the first time around but it stuck after sufficiently many tries.
― Sharkie, Monday, 25 January 2016 03:41 (eight years ago) link
it still sux
― karla jay vespers, Monday, 25 January 2016 03:45 (eight years ago) link
U still sux
― fajita seas, Monday, 25 January 2016 03:50 (eight years ago) link
― all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:31 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^^^^
― lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 25 January 2016 05:32 (eight years ago) link
I can.
― markers, Monday, 25 January 2016 22:10 (eight years ago) link
I am generally not a fan of millennials with synthesizers, I am old and rockist. But I absolutely love this record.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 25 January 2016 23:27 (eight years ago) link
http://read.tidal.com/article/grimes-5-albums-that-changed-my-life?sf20255708=1
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:42 (eight years ago) link
that's a great 5 tbh, i mean i don't like all of those albums but it's a great 5
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:46 (eight years ago) link
Regarding the KillVMaim video: I like the outfits and the videogame references but Claire and her brother should let someone else do the directing and editing of the videos. I can see the potential but it looks very tacky, the whole thing is sort of messy, some cuts going on for too long, some are too short, lips don't sync with the song... it doesn't match the energy of the song at all.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:50 (eight years ago) link
I loved the video for Realiti mind you and they did that one too, but this one clearly required someone with more time and experience.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:51 (eight years ago) link
i gotta agree with ya there. i'd allow a lot of leeway for amateurish charm, but its flaws aren't really charming, just feels off
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:52 (eight years ago) link
Exactly what I thought too watching it. This song is so fast, but the video kind of drags.
― LeRooLeRoo, Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:57 (eight years ago) link
lol of course aenima is on there. awesome
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 February 2016 01:00 (eight years ago) link
Video feels like fiftysomething dude's idea of what the young folk like. Tune is great though.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 4 February 2016 08:16 (eight years ago) link
She should have done a twenty something version of what the old folks like
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 February 2016 12:56 (eight years ago) link
eheh. what do 50smthg people like ? good restaurants, week-ends in the country, opera... (I'm closer to 50 than to 20 !)
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 4 February 2016 13:11 (eight years ago) link
So am I.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 4 February 2016 13:12 (eight years ago) link
She should have done an Adele album?
― MarkoP, Thursday, 4 February 2016 13:35 (eight years ago) link
I saw her live last night! She still doesn't know all the words to "Butterfly" yet and had a lyric sheet in her hand as an aide. Ave Maria cover was pretty ~wut~, but it kind of worked. The last time I saw her was 2012 and she barely spoke and was this intense figure darting between all her gear like she was frantically operating the motherboard of a spaceship. Now she spends a lot more time out front dancing and getting down, which suits her.
A lot of favourites from the new album were paid dust (no "World Princess pt II" or "Artangels") but "Kill V. Maim" was a riot.
― art baengels (monotony), Thursday, 4 February 2016 13:36 (eight years ago) link
She should have done a twenty something version of what the old folks likeShe should have done an Adele album?
ahah, following your comment I have checked and Adele and Grimes are the same age : class 88 !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 4 February 2016 13:47 (eight years ago) link
i'm sure that both are pretty happy with where they're at right now
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:07 (eight years ago) link
It may me feel really old when she wrote about hearing "Fever to Tell" as some kind of formative listening experience. It seems like that just came out yesterday.
― o. nate, Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:14 (eight years ago) link
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:24 (eight years ago) link
love that anecdote about Person Pitch.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:39 (eight years ago) link
uh this is amazing (this is the dude from Mindless Self Indulgence apparently?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=89&v=m2W5yf_h8gM
― police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 4 March 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
whoops no it's this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2W5yf_h8gM
yeah, that's awesome. definitely the song the video wants it to be. love the fake scratching at the end, so perfect.
― leet gentlemen's club (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 March 2016 01:16 (eight years ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, February 4, 2016 12:16 AM (1 month ago)
video feels like dressing up in dumb costumes w/ your friends & jumping around to loud music & being amazing ftw
― leet gentlemen's club (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 March 2016 01:20 (eight years ago) link
msi rules
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 March 2016 01:20 (eight years ago) link
http://www.stereogum.com/1865746/grimes-electrocuted-onstage-in-dublin/
Stupid sensationalist headline made me think she had died.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 07:28 (eight years ago) link
That's one of my pet peeves. Glad she hasn't been electrocuted. When it comes to onstage electrocutions, I mostly just think of the guy from Stone the Crows back in the 70s, but there was a singer who got killed just a few years ago in Argentina.
― how's life, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 09:56 (eight years ago) link
i've gotten electrocuted before while playing a show but usually that's cos it's in a crappy basement or otherwise makeshift venue w no grounding, not a real venue, that is bs.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 14:33 (eight years ago) link
0:31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrKF3IDC6_c
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link
surprised artangels didn't become the best selling album of all time or something.
― Treeship, Sunday, 17 April 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
kill v maim is way better than i originally realized
― Treeship, Thursday, 21 April 2016 04:48 (seven years ago) link
her ave maria is so gd
― 1st Amendment absolutist in favor of the unltd publication of sextapes (schlump), Thursday, 21 April 2016 05:11 (seven years ago) link
She did good, it's all that matters. Sure this could have, should have be more important than say, Taylor Swift in an ideal universe but she did good.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 21 April 2016 07:28 (seven years ago) link
these songs are so jam packed full of ideas. like, even a seemingly simple one like "california" has that pon de replay beat mixed with that rumbling western guitar line and just all this stuff you wouldn't think to put together.
― Treeship, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:25 (seven years ago) link
but it never sounds busy or weighed down either. she's like a magician.
― Treeship, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:27 (seven years ago) link
kill v main is my new jam though
the "eh" in "eh, i don't behave" is a nice canadian flourish in a song about a time traveling "italiana mobster looking so precious"
― Treeship, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:32 (seven years ago) link
I am glad you like this treeship
― ogmor, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:46 (seven years ago) link
i do. it is the best treeship.
― Keks + Nuss (contenderizer), Thursday, 21 April 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link
I gave Art Angels a run for the first time in over a month yesterday and it didn't strike me as unimpeachable as it did initially. But I stand by my initial assessment that its' highlights are easily the best things she's recorded.
― Austin, Thursday, 21 April 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link
My 3yo daughter is absolutely batshit insane in love with Kill V Maim, and I agree with her that it's a great song
― a hairy, howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Thursday, 21 April 2016 23:34 (seven years ago) link
i thought she was dinging "now don't be hateful"
― sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 22 April 2016 00:54 (seven years ago) link
wow i was v wrong
― sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 22 April 2016 00:55 (seven years ago) link
ha I thought that as well
― We quickly ate the feast as to leave ASAP (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 April 2016 05:12 (seven years ago) link
no i listened to it again yesterday closely and i still think it is "now don't be hateful"
― sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:38 (seven years ago) link
Nooooo she verified the lyrics on "Genius"
― Treeship, Sunday, 24 April 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
As much as it pains me, I am going to have to disagree with you
― Treeship, Sunday, 24 April 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
it is not "don't be hateful"
― james brooks, Sunday, 24 April 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link
I know this is redundant as hell, but man, 'REALiTi' is such a wonderful song. Just absolutely gorgeous and transcendent.
― Austin, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 16:55 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsCfufAp2tM
she used a completely different version of the song for this, much more subdued. once again the video starts off strong but goes nowhere, there are all these cool set pieces but nothing really happens, not very compelling, never gains momentum.
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 May 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
music videos don't need to go anywhere. it's fun watching her dancing around in weird outfits on cool sets.
love the new mix.
― Treeship, Monday, 9 May 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
It's a little disjointed, but I love all the set pieces individually. The new mix is v bitchin.
― how's life, Monday, 9 May 2016 19:05 (seven years ago) link
yeah, i'm feeling bitched
― da vinci beaver testicles (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
i find it compelling me to turn into a bat and swoop swoop
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 May 2016 00:13 (seven years ago) link
lol where was this music video supposed to go? Where did Hype Williams' videos ever go? I mean sure this jumps back and forth between lots of different stuff but I don't see it as a flaw
― sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 10 May 2016 00:28 (seven years ago) link
do not like the new mix :(
:( cuz it's one of my favorite songs on the ablum
― da vinci beaver testicles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 May 2016 00:40 (seven years ago) link
i hope there are tons of alternate mixes for these songs
― Treeship, Tuesday, 10 May 2016 00:48 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I wonder if an alternative mixes EP could be in the works.
When has a Grimes video ever had a conventional narrative? I like all these characters she seems to embody.
― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 10 May 2016 01:01 (seven years ago) link
great video! get real flappy bird!!
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 10 May 2016 13:21 (seven years ago) link
seeing her tonight. v excited. i take back what i said about california vid. it's good. i guess what i meant was i wish she'd stick to one or two set pieces because i want to see more of each one. also afaik she hasn't played this song live yet. but tonight is her first show since coachella so hey you never know.
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 May 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link
too much bass
― flappy bird, Saturday, 14 May 2016 05:46 (seven years ago) link
no such thing imo
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 14 May 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link
yeah we are all about that
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 14 May 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
like i couldn't breathe or hear her sing. then i moved and it was slightly better. good show though
― flappy bird, Saturday, 14 May 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
Listening to Halfaxa for the first time right now.
It's, uhh. . . really, really good
― Austin, Saturday, 11 June 2016 02:29 (seven years ago) link
shit http://pitchfork.com/news/66147-grimes-walks-off-stage-at-barclays-center/
― flappy bird, Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
Hope everything's OK...
Ahh, I hate that kind of unsettling mood. Hope she'll be alright.
― Austin, Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
Damn dude, that sounds fucked. Best wishes to the Grimes family, whatever this shit was.
― how's life, Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
I really can't stand that "Realiti" has taken permanent residence in my head.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
Welcome to etc., etc....
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
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I was at one show like this, a stadium concert, where the bass made it literally physically uncomfortable to be in the audience
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:36 (seven years ago) link
bass was way too loud when i saw her
― de l'asshole (flopson), Friday, 17 June 2016 00:14 (seven years ago) link
She announced a new song on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGvCHb4jfj-/?taken-by=actuallygrimes
― Austin, Friday, 17 June 2016 03:12 (seven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/66165-grimes-i-will-explain-what-happened-at-barclays-once-i-can-safely-and-legally-do-so/
Take care of business, Grimes. <3
― how's life, Friday, 17 June 2016 14:23 (seven years ago) link
Video of her running off stage. Her mic cuts out and it looks like she hears something in her ear piece, and then she bolts. Seems like a serious stalker/death threat... really really scary especially in the wake of Orlando and the murder of Christina Grimmie.
https://youtu.be/HNNMS0CpwRw?t=1m38s
― flappy bird, Friday, 17 June 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
that's...a weird conclusion to jump to based on that 'evidence'
― Dierks Bentley's Holistic Detective Agency (some dude), Friday, 17 June 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm gonna take her word and not speculate about it.
― how's life, Friday, 17 June 2016 17:33 (seven years ago) link
On an unrelated note: I hadn't really listened to the album since late last fall. I really liked the record, but it didn't fit in with my mood at the time at all. A few weeks ago I was in my local comic shop and they dropped Flesh Without Blood into their in-store playlist, which is mostly just pure 70s/80s punk rock, and it lit up my world. Since then, I've been enjoying an Art Angels renaissance.
― how's life, Friday, 17 June 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
jews did grimes eleven
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 17 June 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
What the hell? Ben Gibbard of Death Cab for Cutie did the almost exact same thing that Grimes did, just one night earlier:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zFGK5LFRr4
― ArchCarrier, Saturday, 18 June 2016 12:55 (seven years ago) link
where does Meatloaf fit into this
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 18 June 2016 14:28 (seven years ago) link
Gibbard was being bottled though
― ejemplo (crüt), Saturday, 18 June 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link
So no global conspiracy against indie musicians?
― ArchCarrier, Saturday, 18 June 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
not the finest vintage to bottle imo
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 18 June 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
Song Exploder did an ep on Kill v Maimhttp://songexploder.net/grimes
― woman in the dunes, Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
Oh sweet.
― j.o. seasoning (how's life), Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, that was really good. Hearing the vocals in isolation was super weird.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 14 July 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link
Really cool to hear the crowd noise side-chained to the kick drum
― flappy bird, Thursday, 14 July 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link
Super interesting. loved this episode. the crowd noise trick is pretty genius. she seems so driven in her (weird) ideas. pretty inspirational.
― mingalaba, Monday, 1 August 2016 02:34 (seven years ago) link
Next up: UFC
http://pitchfork.com/news/66200-listen-to-grimes-new-song-medieval-warfare-from-suicide-squad/
― mingalaba, Thursday, 4 August 2016 01:45 (seven years ago) link
& u never get sad & u never get sick & u never get weak bayBEE
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 19 August 2016 05:50 (seven years ago) link
um it's "u never get sick we're DEEP / in the belly of the beat"
― MatthewK, Friday, 19 August 2016 06:11 (seven years ago) link
oh so it is
you scared me tho i thought i'd made up you never get weak
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 19 August 2016 06:15 (seven years ago) link
they way she sounds in her lower register for "in the belly of the beat yeah" always struck me as a very kate bush moment
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 19 August 2016 13:07 (seven years ago) link
ha, my correction was incorrect, sorry
― MatthewK, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 07:26 (seven years ago) link
I was bummed her song wasn't actually in Suicide Squad.
― Pentenema Karten, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link
time to sue Warner I guess
― MatthewK, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 21:49 (seven years ago) link
Well it wasn't a blatantly obvious and overused music cue, so of course it wasn't used.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link
Lol... I mean they had a forgotten Eminem single in there fer chrissakes.
― Pentenema Karten, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link
without me is not "forgotten", it is one of Eminem's best-selling and most enduring singles.
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 23:07 (seven years ago) link
and i sing it to my cat often
Why you looking for a harmony?There is harmony in everythingIt’s a butterfly whose wings span the world
― nomar, Saturday, 27 August 2016 06:52 (seven years ago) link
i have not viewed any of these yet but
http://pitchfork.com/news/68786-grimes-releases-7-new-videos-scream-butterfly-more-watch/http://pitchfork.com/news/68786-grimes-releases-7-new-videos-scream-butterfly-more-watch/http://pitchfork.com/news/68786-grimes-releases-7-new-videos-scream-butterfly-more-watch/http://pitchfork.com/news/68786-grimes-releases-7-new-videos-scream-butterfly-more-watch/http://pitchfork.com/news/68786-grimes-releases-7-new-videos-scream-butterfly-more-watch/
!!!
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
Dude! This album has been such a slow burner for me and I've only just started to embrace the non-singles after the poll last week. This is a gift!
― how's life, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
yeah, what a nice surprise!
does anyone have any thoughts on HANA? 3 of the 7 new videos are hers, i guess
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQUqCRkioG4
produced/did backing vocals for a new Aristophanes track
― ufo, Friday, 27 January 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/825526619406114816
✓
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 29 January 2017 02:21 (seven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/69494-grimes-and-janelle-monae-preview-venus-fly-video-watch/
― how's life, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 18:23 (seven years ago) link
fuck buying tidal for a music video tho
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 3 February 2017 04:41 (seven years ago) link
I tried most of the big streaming subscription services in 2016 and... Tidal's pretty good? idk, everyone loves Spotify
― mh 😏, Friday, 3 February 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link
when i looked at tidal last year their catalog was tiny compared to spotify, they had well under half of the stuff in my main spotify playlist. maybe its expanded now?
― ciderpress, Friday, 3 February 2017 14:37 (seven years ago) link
Spotify has the worst sound quality of all of them. Apple Music is p good
― flappy bird, Friday, 3 February 2017 19:14 (seven years ago) link
Ah, the time of year when I can listen to this without feeling any weirder than I already do for listening to it in the first place. Love this song.
I have to admit, with no offense to the Grimes family, when that Ajit Pai video came out last week, I was like "why does this guy seem so familiar? Oh yeah, Grimes' step-dad!"
― how's life, Saturday, 16 December 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link
lol wtf seriously?
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
great track
― In a slipshod style (Ross), Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
vanessa fucking rules as pointed out
― In a slipshod style (Ross), Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
oh, and i hadn't even noticed this:
last jedi is so good i cried on the sidewalk after and then got the flu and slept for 12 hours— Grimes (@Grimezsz) December 16, 2017
just played label new music they rly dig it so hopefully smthn soon 😛— Grimes (@Grimezsz) December 16, 2017
― how's life, Sunday, 17 December 2017 00:09 (six years ago) link
dope song!
love the video
― niels, Sunday, 17 December 2017 09:45 (six years ago) link
Ha, I'd missed that Christmas track. Nice.
― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 18 December 2017 13:21 (six years ago) link
Wait Ajit Pai is Grimes step-dad? I can’t find anything on google confirming this.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 18 December 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
No, I just meant he looks like it in the video. Indian man wearing sunglasses indoors while smiling eerily and waving a weapon around.
― how's life, Monday, 18 December 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
also, just for clarity's sake, by weapon I'm referring to the hatchet in the grimes video and the nerf gun in the ajit pai video.
― how's life, Monday, 18 December 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
Really hope the new One kicks ass so ppl will admit the last one was eehhhhaaaite
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 00:38 (six years ago) link
yeah because the massive amount of enjoyment I've had from that album would somehow be invalidated by her releasing another great record
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 00:51 (six years ago) link
The release of Art Angels is the best thing that’s happened in the past five years.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 01:05 (six years ago) link
if the new one sucks there is no chance d-40 will admit art angels was a radiant masterpiece, so I think we all hope it's good
― ogmor, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
only thing approaching Art Angels for me the past few years is the Fever Ray s/t
― omar little, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
Visions >>>>>>>>> Art Angels. Not holding out much hope for the next one.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
my take is Art Angels >>>>>>>>> Visions
we should poll
― ANU (sisilafami), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
Visions revealed a promising artist. Art Angels made good on that promise.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
art angels is alllllright imo, kind of feels like she's dodging the spotlight but not in a way that feels confident or purposeful
its a progression from visions but i think visions promises a lot more, or contains more potential in its dna
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
i agree. i like art angels a lot, but the 3 year gap between albums compounded the disappointment... it really sounds like she skipped an album in between the two, which we know she did... there's a dearth there, despite both albums being great.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
Crystal ball desserves more love
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
But albums are brilliant and Grimes rules. If the new album is half as good as any of them we’re good. Frankly a bit afraid it might not live up to expectations, no idea how you can follow up and improve on what she has done so far.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
i revisited art angels the other week and i’m sorta with deej. only about half of it really hits imo (kill v. maim, pin)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
yeah both albums are great but there's one missing in there. it's hard to explain but her catalogue feels weirdly sparse & empty, the leap from Visions to Art Angels is too big and incongruous, it feels like the third album in a trilogy and Visions the first.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
iirc grimes' evolution in sound between visions to art angels was partly due informed by her live touring
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link
She made an album then scratched it. That material was, I guess, the missing link in her development
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
right, that's what i was saying. i'm not criticizing her decision, we're not entitled to that work if she doesn't want to release it, i'm just saying the missing link sticks out to me when I put Visions next to Art Angels
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
although worth noting that the REALiTi demo- a recording that people worship- is from that scrapped album
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link
there are a few duds on Art Angels - Belly of the Beat feels meandering and SCREAM is completely out of place - but the highs (nearly all the rest of it) are so high that it doesn't bother me much and I would definitely put it above Visions even though Visions is a bit more of a cohesive whole
as far as the unreleased material goes I really hope that David gets a proper release someday, that's one of her best tracks
― ufo, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 01:37 (six years ago) link
Realiti (aka the best song from the 2010’s) is the missing link you’re looking for.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 01:44 (six years ago) link
^ best song psshaw.
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 01:49 (six years ago) link
i mean it's very good but realti's sort of taking on a life of its own iirc
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 01:50 (six years ago) link
*taken
could that not be because it's one of the best songs of the 2010s?
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 01:53 (six years ago) link
Indeed it could, point taken
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 01:56 (six years ago) link
― ufo, Tuesday, December 26, 2017 8:37 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes. It’s very frustrating. The live video of her performing it is something else.
It’s insane for someone to write a song like that but have so much other great material they don’t even bother releasing it.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 02:17 (six years ago) link
artists can do whatever the fuck they want, if it comes about the audience then that's where shit goes south tbh
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 02:19 (six years ago) link
I agree. Still.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 02:19 (six years ago) link
cheers mate, it is a great song
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 02:21 (six years ago) link
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, December 26, 2017 8:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This feels like the truth is more dialectical than that but sure
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
Yeah probably an overstatement on my part, probably should take it easy. Steering this convo back to realti as a missing link (and perhaps "go"), how much do you all feel realti demo gave an indication to her direction on art angels? Feels like it still had a lot of the vocal presence of visions. When California hit on art angels it felt like that summed up where she was at for her audience
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
I'd say your right, Realiti is kind of the zenith of the Visions style whereas Art Angels shed the buried-vocal feel in its quest for high pop.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link
These are the rare and unreleased songs:
GloamHam MermaidThe Crazy DoctorWorld BrainBehaviourThe EyewhoknoidontnoVoignamiremancipated reality vixenFifteen Minutes ToBlack HairUnknown Track (unplugged)(Things That Were Not)Unknown Track #02Saturn PrincessFragments of The FutureYa vas LyubilDavidSleepwalkingGo (SXM Version)REALiTi (Demo)
Surely at least an EP connecting Visions and Art Angels can be made from these (Go and Realiti as singles)
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
i get the feeling she's made a purposeful decision to not release that material, for whatever reason
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
Iirc she didn’t feel Realiti was that good (which is bonkers) or didn’t feel like it belonged on her newfound art pop sound for artangels. I suppose that applies to all of those... she didn’t feel like they were part of the new era.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:37 (six years ago) link
maintain that album version >>>>
― imago, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
Here’s a link to a googledrive with the unreleased songs in case you want to hear:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimes/comments/4bxkuj/all_grimes_unreleased_songs_in_one_album/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
Moka do you have mp3s of those?
― calstars, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
Follow that link I posted. I think they should be there but I’m posting from my cellphone and that link is a year old, it used to have them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
Doh. Thank you
― calstars, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
Link seems to still work ✌🏻
― calstars, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:16 (six years ago) link
whoa, crazy list. i had no idea she had performed so many of these songs live (or are they leaked demos?)
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link
Thanks Moka!!
― kolakube (Ross), Thursday, 28 December 2017 00:04 (six years ago) link
There’s also this kind of charming post that shows how perfectly amateurish Visions and Grimes as a producer was:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120515000000*/actuallygrimes.tumblr.com
Goes to show if you have talent and passion for what you want to achieve you can make a lot with so little.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 28 December 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
which post in specific? that just directs to the wayback machine.
I am happy to learn that Eevee was her fav Pokemon though. So many awesome Eeveelutions.
― how's life, Thursday, 28 December 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link
the reason she gave for not releasing the David-era material was that it was too depressing and she didn't want to tour it
― ufo, Thursday, 28 December 2017 01:26 (six years ago) link
Oh sorry wrong link.I meant this one were she discussed how to make/record music
https://web.archive.org/web/20150831081620/http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/44357081528/how-to-make-music-for-almost-free-u-should
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 28 December 2017 02:12 (six years ago) link
re: depressing material, it sounds like visions sleep/food deprivation binge was a heavy time too..
can't begrudge her tendency towards lighter material with art angels
― kolakube (Ross), Thursday, 28 December 2017 02:37 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/apr/28/grimes-visions-montreal
Hmmm might have to try that
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 28 December 2017 03:45 (six years ago) link
Skeptical of any value added by providing finer sampling of her stylistic evolution via the release of 'tweener songs. more fun to embrace the myth of the artistic step function.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 28 December 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
i need all the information
― treeship 2, Thursday, 28 December 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link
there's not enough
― treeship 2, Thursday, 28 December 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
This fan edit of David might be the closest to a studio version we’ll get:
https://m.soundcloud.com/littlemonsteralejandro2/david-fanmade-studio
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 28 December 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
haha that tumblr post is fantastic
― niels, Friday, 29 December 2017 06:10 (six years ago) link
this wasn't bad though I like the tegan and sara original more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv1H85AxYiM
― akm, Friday, 29 December 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
speaking of the shift from her "two styles" one could make a case that visions was the intermediary from the extremely depressive, haunting stuff she was releasing pre-visions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBJ-LPPcAqwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vulvMVhDqeU
i love this era of her music too. and the shadow or memory of this sound definitely enriches my appreciation for the aerodynamic sound of art angels. it emerged from the depths.
― treeship 2, Sunday, 31 December 2017 13:05 (six years ago) link
Easy to forget also the immense pressure of public/commercial/critical expectations after Visions. Remember the backlash against “Go”? Oy
― flappy bird, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
https://clips.twitch.tv/OilyDistinctPistachioChocolateRain
― ufo, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
Fuck
. https://t.co/2DJAbbveIh— Grimes (@Grimezsz) February 15, 2018
i'm not allowed to say but there r people involved in my career who would rather destroy me than build something. indie music is more about egos than money. if u hurt someone's ego, they don't mind forgoing what you are potentially worth to them to take u down— Grimes (@Grimezsz) February 15, 2018
― Moodles, Thursday, 15 February 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
what the fuck.
― how's life, Thursday, 15 February 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
this would be at 4AD still?
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 February 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
Goddamn wtf
― flappy bird, Friday, 16 February 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
her twitter bio was 'makin beats nu album soon' yesterday and now it's just 'makin beats' too :/
― ufo, Friday, 16 February 2018 02:25 (six years ago) link
This is really naive I guess, but I don’t understand why someone like grimes can’t just release music on bandcamp under a pay what you want model. Then just tour a bunch of sold out 10,000 capacity clubs? I suppose it’s proooobably a bit more complicated than that.
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 February 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
i imagine she's locked into a contract that prohibits that very thing
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Friday, 16 February 2018 02:45 (six years ago) link
Why would they prevent her from releasing an album?
― treeship 2, Friday, 16 February 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
She pissed off someone at the label and is being punished for it. Typical record biz bullshit.
― Moodles, Friday, 16 February 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link
My guess is she had a 3 record contract with 4AD and wanted to move to a major and they’re not thrilled
― flappy bird, Friday, 16 February 2018 04:58 (six years ago) link
can't she just do an album of acoustic van halen covers to see out her contract
― imago, Friday, 16 February 2018 10:30 (six years ago) link
― Moodles, Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:39 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It’s insane that this is a semi-common occurence in the music industry. Isn’t Grimes the biggest star on 4AD’s roster?
― treeship 2, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:25 (six years ago) link
The National and Tune-Yards have both had albums with bigger American numbers, but yeah, she's up there.
― how's life, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:29 (six years ago) link
I don't know why I limited that to US sales, because The National's apparently big everywhere.
― how's life, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link
Art Angels charted surprisingly low for how popular she is on YouTube, she gets very large amounts of views for an indie act there
― ufo, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:40 (six years ago) link
She’s a more culturally significant figure than anyone involved in those other acts though. For the 4AD brand she has to be valuable.
― treeship 2, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:42 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I can't picture National fans tweeting at the label telling them to go fuck themselves either. https://twitter.com/search?q=4ad%20grimes&src=tyah
Grimes has some passionate fans. I imagine if the National were to deliver some bad news about an upcoming album, their fans would just keep clapping along regardless.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5zsb3iZx03pCRi8vSi/giphy.gif
― how's life, Friday, 16 February 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link
Does 4AD have a history with coming into conflict w/ artists?
― Simon H., Friday, 16 February 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link
is there anything that makes people think it is her label specifically? maybe she is just fed up w an abusive industry as a whole
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 February 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
I mean the industry as a whole can't literally stop her from releasing music. Also she responded to someone who said it was because of "label/management reasons" with "no problems w management", so.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 16 February 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
“Yeah but i’m solving it. i just have to take one last hit. it sucks, but i’d rather not make fans suffer thru more unexplained drama. theres some srsly fucked up and crazy shit going behind the scenes in my career this whole time i’ve never spoken of to protect myself legally.”
she tweeted and deleted this earlier. i know she had a bunch of problems with Arbutus, shame there seems to be something with 4AD now.
― ufo, Friday, 16 February 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
lol. I missed this one last night.
hahaha ha. don't commit crimes for grimes --- i can solve , been thru worse 💀💀— Grimes (@Grimezsz) February 16, 2018
― how's life, Friday, 16 February 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
In a situation like this it's possible another label could buy her out of her contract.
― Moodles, Friday, 16 February 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
I wonder if at this point in her career she'd prefer to be on a major or totally independent. You'd think the latter, but who knows?
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 16 February 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
this sucks for her. do think it might be worth paying attention to how many (or, cough, how few) of grimes' friends over the years still collaborate with her.
― sean gramophone, Friday, 16 February 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
does it matter?
― omar little, Friday, 16 February 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
i think it does if the people in this thread are theorizing about blame and why this could be happening
― sean gramophone, Friday, 16 February 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
smell what i smell? a thread that's about to get good
― imago, Friday, 16 February 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
probably best not to open that can of worms with that one, since this is a thread she may have actually seen before.
― omar little, Friday, 16 February 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
let's speculate blindly about things we know nothing about
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Friday, 16 February 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
anyway i hope the issue is resolved whatever it may be, bc her next one is my most anticipated album.
― omar little, Friday, 16 February 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
she definitely comes off like someone who could be abrasive and wilful but she's an excellent artist and yeah basically whatever it takes for her to get the next album out
― imago, Friday, 16 February 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
Lots of people go through different creative partnerships as a way of sparking inspiration and growing, I don't know why this by itself would be a sign of, well, what?
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 16 February 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
Her music is so good. I’m glad she doesn’t compromise.
― treeship 2, Friday, 16 February 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
The label blocking the release of her music is a crime against the public.
Treeship and Jordan otm
― kolakube (Ross), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link
I wonder how many times in recent years labels have bounced things back at the artist saying the material they’re given isn’t what they want to release. It seems like things are a little looser now, but I’m guessing that’s kind of an illusion because not everyone wants to mention it in public
― mh, Friday, 16 February 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link
not sure how cool I am with the inference of the sterotype "this woman is difficult to work with for being demanding" when actually most of these stories turn out to just be women wanting the clarity of their artistic vision executed properly
― boxedjoy, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
how do you feel about Billy Corgan
― crüt, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
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― boxedjoy, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:17 (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
RIP Sky Ferreira
― plums (a hoy hoy), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link
― boxedjoy, Saturday, February 17, 2018 10:17 AM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
given how she's spoken on how male producers have literally tried to use their position to coerce her into sex i am /especially/ wary of people playing the "this woman's issues with the industry must be because she's demanding/hystreical/[insert other personality issue with misogynistic overtones here]" card against her in particular
― heliogabberlus, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
Spicy thread
― flappy bird, Friday, 16 February 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link
those tweets have been deleted since.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 16 February 2018 23:32 (six years ago) link
In any case she made it clear Roc Nation (whatever the name) has been supporting her and she seems very grateful for their presence in this moment. She's hinting problems might come from earlier in her youth, and knowing how rocky her relationship to Arbutus was, it might stem from that.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 16 February 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
Ugh I hate social network drama but really wish she would release new music. Claire if you ever read this: I LOVE YOU but you need to stop posting half truths on twitter. Either tell the whole version or stop being passive agressive and solve that personal shit with lawyers behind the curtain.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 17 February 2018 04:52 (six years ago) link
she said she's working on solving it and doesn't want to make fans wait, hope it works out for her
― ufo, Saturday, 17 February 2018 05:22 (six years ago) link
Well then why involve the fans at all? Either drop the name of the target for all fans to go rabid on it or move your fnger from the trigger. Abstractly venting on twitter is spineless and I’m fucking done with it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 17 February 2018 07:14 (six years ago) link
harsh
― flappy bird, Saturday, 17 February 2018 07:23 (six years ago) link
venting on twitter could actually galvanize 4AD or whoever tf it is into coming to their senses. also who cares. "Removed Bookmark from Thread," wait til the new album is out
― flappy bird, Saturday, 17 February 2018 07:24 (six years ago) link
"spineless"... lol. what tf is she supposed to do? "abstractly venting" is literally what twitter is for
― flappy bird, Saturday, 17 February 2018 07:25 (six years ago) link
theres a million possibilities who knows
SZA complained on twitter then her album came out & it was dope
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 17 February 2018 07:31 (six years ago) link
This isn’t specifically about her, but really fuck passive agressive comments on social networks, if she has a problem with someone tell it to his/her face or involve the lawyers. Everything else is a low shot.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 17 February 2018 07:33 (six years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:33 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hon, you must be pretty naive if you think a purposeful enough face-to-face conversation is guaranteed to make a label exec see an artist's side or that filing a suit isn't still as costly for an independent artist as it is for everyone else (and perfectly capable of failing and/or further pissing off the label she's still signed to)
"abstract venting" is probably the only way she can inform fans/media about what's happening and take some sort of course of action without hurting her career or getting the lawyers sent after her herself
― heliogabberlus, Saturday, 17 February 2018 08:37 (six years ago) link
also i'm still reeling over the first post in here describing a visions cut as "electro-Frankie Valli"
like bitch what kind of shade are you trying to throw
― heliogabberlus, Saturday, 17 February 2018 08:39 (six years ago) link
tbh maybe she did say it to someone's face and it's gone nowhere and now she's venting a bit on twitter. no big deal. and no idea what happened, either. but i don't think she's a spineless type.
― omar little, Saturday, 17 February 2018 09:15 (six years ago) link
raging online about intractable situations w companies is a time-honoured tradition
― ogmor, Saturday, 17 February 2018 09:26 (six years ago) link
Also accusing people by name on the internet, if she doesnt have enough grounds to file suit, might not be the best idea and keeping it abstract would be the better option.
― plums (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 17 February 2018 09:27 (six years ago) link
I mean, say what you want about Grimes' social media style, but while us greybeards are over here tutting in our armchairs or whatever, there's a teenager from Jakarta mailing a ripe piece of durian to 4ADs offices. They gave up being good when they declared a state of war, imo.
Also welcome to the convo, heliogabberlus. I think an early rock 'n' roll influence is very apparent in Oblivion although whether it's Frankie Valli could be up for debate. No shade.
― how's life, Saturday, 17 February 2018 11:02 (six years ago) link
Actually, I remember my first time listening to Visions and being confused that there wasn't more doo-wop. lol
― how's life, Saturday, 17 February 2018 11:21 (six years ago) link
i'll admit it's been a little while since i had a proper front-to-back listen, but the main reason the valli comparison struck me a certain way was, besides not being able to remember any sonic or compositional stuff that'd ever triggered an "ah yes, this makes me think of what i've heard of frankie valli", the main think i associate with valli is the... distinctive (which is a polite way of saying i'm frankly not a fan, but each to their own) voice
and that's never something i've thought of claire's vocal style being that close to. the video(?) meant to be embedded in the first post just shows up as a bunch of blank white space for me, and it's nearly 1 am so i can't be arsed googling what the "lead leak" was
― heliogabberlus, Saturday, 17 February 2018 11:47 (six years ago) link
vanessa gives me 4seasons vibes
― nxd, Saturday, 17 February 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link
don't call people "hon" heliogabberlus
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:03 (six years ago) link
unless you're a waitress serving someone at a diner then it's fine
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link
if it's really as simple as 4AD bouncing it back to her because it's not what they want to release... that's fucking weird. maybe i have a different impression of grimes's position in the culture than is accurate, but i thought she was pretty much widely understood to be one of the most exciting artists working today, the sort of person who should be given wide latitude. it's not like art angels was an obvious follow up to what she was doing before -- she completely transformed her sound on that album and it was an immediate classic.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
i think there's more to it than that, she'd tweeted about playing new music for the label and getting a positive reaction two months ago
― ufo, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
an immediate classic
No. My hope is that her next album will mark at least a partial return to the sound of Visions.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
i mean, that opinion is just objectively wrong
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
i wouldn't be disappointed if she went down either path or if she totally changed directions. i think the energy of art angels retrospectively puts the gloomier visions in a new light and improves it.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
Meh, suit yourself. Art Angels was too upbeat for my taste.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
hoping her sound gets even more extroverted just so chris ott feels more upset that she's not making halfaxa anymore
― lowercase (eric), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
"Nightmusic" was and is peak Grimes for me
Label woes could mean anything. Sucks that Arbutus has the rights to release and re-release records that she doesn't want to have re-released. [Old label] refused to release my first two records to [new label] until the contract expired, and then when the contract expired, they summarily retracted the records from streaming services. Now they're nowhere. Sucks. I still love those guys and e-mail them on their birthdays tho
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
I think "electro-Frankie Valli" is a pretty astute description of "Oblivion"--it's got some version of that struttin' beat you hear on early Four Seasons songs like "Big Girls Don't Cry" and "Walk Like A Man."
― J. Sam, Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link
if it's really as simple as 4AD bouncing it back to her because it's not what they want to release... that's fucking weird.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
Oh. That’s pretty different then.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
"hon, you must be pretty naive" is the worst way to start a discussion, if that's actually what you wanted to do.
anyway, i agree with thrust of moka's argument. grimes is great and i can't wait to hear the new album, but posting "ugh, the worst thing happened today, ugh ugh....but i can't tell you what's going on" or whatever on twitter is super annoying. it's somewhat annoying when some relative or acquaintance does it, but at least you could hypothetically reach out to that person privately and ask them if everything is ok. it's more annoying when a well-known musician does it because they're inviting everyone to blindly speculate on what's going on, knowing that no one will be able to figure out what's going on.
unsurprisingly, right after she posted all that, people immediately started speculating that it was her management's fault, or roc nation's fault, so she had to clarify that it wasn't anything to do with them. oooook, always fun to invite rampant speculation and then quash rumors in your replies.
none of it's a big deal or unforgivable or anything, it's just weird to pretend that she was forced to do it by the situation or whatever when there are a million other ways she could have let people know the general situation.
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
counterpoint: it's really not annoying at all
― lowercase (eric), Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link
Not forced, this is strategy. And a good one imo. I don’t know why y’all find it so annoying, just wait the record will come out somewhere eventually. I mean if it’s about putting pressure on 4AD - bingo! done
― flappy bird, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
Tbh annoying might be if I was at the grocery store and out of nowhere grimes started venting to me in the produce aisle about vague problems with her record label (tho I'd probably listen intently!) but if that was the sort of thing that'd annoy me I just wouldn't follow her on twitter (not sure if I do or not I never check twitter.)
― omar little, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
yea exactly... just unplug
― flappy bird, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
maybe they could create a grimes_official account for updates about tour dates, upcoming releases, and hype
then claire could use her twitter account the way a lot of individuals do, to vent about work and make silly jokes
― mh, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
Whooooooooooooo caaaaaaaaaaaares
― flappy bird, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
But I like drama
The problem I see about not dropping names or explaining what’s exactly happening but still inviting the fans to join the pity fest is that she has some rabid fans. The moment she posted that she invites the misguided justice hammer of the internet to go attack every possible suspect to the point she then had to post again with the “don’t do crimes for grimes” and that the J Roc label and Jay Z were cool and to stop attacking them, just to end deleting it all. She should know better than to summon te blind wrath of the internet... she has received serious death threats herself back in 2016... that’s how crazy some of her fans are.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
Missing some commas in there. Sorry.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Saturday, February 17, 2018 12:16 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Saturday, February 17, 2018 12:16 PM (twenty-three minutes ago)
:Di struggle with this too
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
Lol yesYea I don’t have a problem with it im kinda into it tbh, fuck whoever is fucking with her career, bombs away grimes
― flappy bird, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
Hey, that Claire Boucher has made some good albums, tell you whut.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
she has received serious death threats herself back in 2016... that’s how crazy some of her fans are.
Would these people really be fans though, if they’de saying this?
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
wait is she on roc nation or 4ad?
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
Repped by roc nation, signed to 4AD
― omar little, Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link
Well, Chapman was a hardcore Lennon fan
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
My dream is a label run by Charli XCX, Carly, Grimes, Lorde for them just to release mixtapes of whatever ideas they have year in year out and tour together. Who's in?
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
oh and Sky of course.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
why did you name five artists of wildly varying quality?
― imago, Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:33 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hello, doctor, I'd like to report being crushed under an asteroid-sized boulder of irony
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link
― imago, Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:48 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
because grimes, "girl with slightly grating voice who bounces back and forth from rap/r&b hookwoman to doing pc music stuff", "queen of going from call me maybe to indie pop all the gays like" and "girl from posonby who had a record deal since 12 who got big by implying black people were shallow and materialistic social commentary about alienation and luxury and followed that album up with a bunch of moody piano pop that got 91 on metacritic because she was white" all fall along the same artistic axis by virtue of making """""art pop """"", apparently
and by being women
― heliogabberlus, Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:05 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Idk if moka’s comment was passive aggressive really
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
Also van horn street’s dream sounds awful. I just grimes to have artistic autonomy. I don’t really like those other artists much.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
Also I am not a public figure.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:29 (six years ago) link
And wasn’t I supposed to be feisty? First time of being accused of being passive agressive in my life.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link
― heliogabberlus, samedi 17 février 2018 15:19 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
very trenchant.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
Moka's great, leave her be
― kolakube (Ross), Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
melodrama - it's competent, but doing a "serious" album after your three million selling debut doesn't make an auteur out of a ponsonby-bred trust funder
― heliogabberlus, Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:36 PM
"girl from posonby who had a record deal since 12 who got big by implying black people were shallow and materialistic social commentary about alienation and luxury and followed that album up with a bunch of moody piano pop that got 91 on metacritic because she was white"
― heliogabberlus, Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:19 PM
Not to get all "they take the Gluepot now they coming for me" but c'mon, Lorde's dyed-in-the-wool Devonport.
― etc, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link
now this is sniping i can get with
― imago, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:49 (six years ago) link
― etc, Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:25 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
huh, had some vague memory of hearing ponsonby had been where she grew up but mea culpa for not double-checking and realizing it was devonport
i mean i've never been up to auckland so the one suburb i did know for having its bourgeois reputation precede it seemed like a sensible enough fit with said factoid i'd read/imagined reading
― heliogabberlus, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
very important to determine to which social class a 21 year old female artist belongs to.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:27 (six years ago) link
damn put another shrimp on the barbie & let the beef cook
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:35 (six years ago) link
This is all great stuff
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
she barely tweets and the majority of what she does post on social media is direct responses to fan questions on twitter and instagram, it's not her fault that websites will then take those statements and construct headlines and news stories around them regardless of whether or not they tell a complete or satisfying story about anything
i have been posting on the internet since i was a small child and i was still caught completely off-guard when i realized i had to be prepared for everything i posted to be read not just by the specific people i was talking to but to countless more people beyond that who might see it if some person or media entity decided to take it and show it to others without context or my involvement
i thought i was an expert, and i got pantsed by it. every day now i see people who thought they were experts getting pantsed by it. people who get paid to write about the news in the media every day who have a complete meltdown when one day their name turns up in the news.
it is extremely easy to sit around sniping from a distance at people who find themselves exposed thus about how they should be handling it but one day it might happen to you and i promise you will have no idea what you're doing
― james brooks, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
Classic website. Glad I spent my twenties here.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
Sry james that wasnt directed to u
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
it's cool i'm sorry i interrupted your joke
― james brooks, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
It wasn’t really a joke. Not anyone’s fault here, I just need a better hobby than ilx. I’m sorry earlier I jumped in the nascent feud between katherine and moka — i like both of those posters.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link
you should check out "slay the spire" on steam, it's available for both mac and pc and i find it to be very meditative and soothing
― james brooks, Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
― treeship 2, Saturday, February 17, 2018 6:57 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I wasn't feuding with anyone just pointing out the inherent questionability of criticizing someone for complaining on the internet and not to their face, via complaining on the internet
also do you play ironclad or silent
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:03 (six years ago) link
i can win at least half the time with silent but i'm really frustrated by my inability to get a good ironclad deck going
do you have any build tips?
― james brooks, Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
You were feuding a lil bit but I don’t mind.
I wasn’t really criticizing Grimes I love her, I’d vote for her for president of the world. I was pointing out that public figures ideally need to filter this sort of things or give a fuller picture. Otherwise some rabid fans go and wage twitter wars from them and it doesn’t help their case.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link
Either point the finger at who you want hanged by the internet or its better to not say anything, unless you don’t mind all those fans going around writing nasty tweets to people that have nothing to do with this beef like say, Jay Z.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:21 (six years ago) link
or you could shut up and not care so much about a public figure
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:21 (six years ago) link
most consistent I've ever done is with barricade and body slam, preferably with entrench if you can find it. from there it's just a matter of actually getting barricade up
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:22 (six years ago) link
xp: what alfred said
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:23 (six years ago) link
Well go and tell that to the fans on twitter I don’t use it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:28 (six years ago) link
lmao "nasty tweets" give me a fucking break. the fans will be fine
it's just such a weird thing to be so annoyed or upset by
― flappy bird, Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
Well that and that her words have been taken out of context turned into clickbait headlines. There’s a reason she deleted them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:35 (six years ago) link
Also Alfred and Katherine I can care however much I want to care about it, maybe you two should shut up and not care so much what a non public figure says.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
Or be crushed by some asteroid sized boulder of irony
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 01:21 (six years ago) link
Is that agressive passive enough for you?
kind of a bummer when all my favorite posters come together to yell at each other. Not sure why Grimes is such a flashpoint for this board. Lingering PTSD from the Realiti wars?
― Moodles, Sunday, 18 February 2018 01:36 (six years ago) link
on a pretty regular basis i get very detailed emails from strangers about how they want to dismember me and every member of my family
sometimes my friends and family get the emails instead
sometimes the threats go to people i barely even know or haven't talked to in years, people who might not even know why strange people on the internet want to dismember me, who get really upset about the threats and forward them to me with heartfelt concern about whether or not i am safe and ok
i then copy and paste the threats into a very long years-old email thread so they can be sent to law enforcement contacts and added to a file
anyone who would seriously get super upset over a fan tweeting "leave grimes alone" or whatever is not prepared for what the world is turning into and i worry for them
anyway
i'm definitely going to try to go body slam/barricade on my next run, i have been struggling with not having enough block and i totally had not thought about how body slam could turn a block-focused deck into an offensive powerhouse. thanks!
― james brooks, Sunday, 18 February 2018 02:17 (six years ago) link
https://goo.gl/images/Q21Vbj
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 February 2018 02:21 (six years ago) link
It’s not those fans I worry about it’s the death threats ones I worry about turning their obsessive love for her into a real threat for anyone managing her label.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link
I’m sorry to hear that you’re dealing with that James.
I hope the death threats thing is just some kind of sick trend, or a symptom of society not having had time to establish the norms that will make life in the internet age bearable.
This can’t just be the way it is now.
― treeship 2, Sunday, 18 February 2018 02:27 (six years ago) link
her friends and family have received threats. people she casually tweeted back and forth with a couple of times have received threats. fans who she has never interacted with who maintain fan pages on social media have received threats. everyone who can be seen to have any sort of connection to her online, real or imagined, has received threats.
i do not know offhand if the label has received threats before. i would be surprised if they have not. either way, it's not something she has control over.
― james brooks, Sunday, 18 February 2018 03:57 (six years ago) link
sorry for all thatI was magma90210 forever ago on MRMB hope you are well
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
I was pointing precisely that problem from the very start, but I got accused of overthinking it... really sucks to have people who clearly need help channeling violence in those ways. I remember reading about Claire getting those threats and its really worrisome, sucks it’s happening to you to James.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:10 (six years ago) link
why is she receiving so many threats? because she is outspoken? i hope the situation will be resolved soon.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:18 (six years ago) link
That said I do think she has control over certain things. Bringing up an anonymous beef with maybe someone in the label is an invitation to threats. I don’t remember in which reddit thread about the first tweet there were two crazy fans trying to “solve” who it was by dropping names of artists or friends who have collaborated with her in the past (james was namedropped in between those btw) and weren’t around in artangels. They were going through old photos with people from the label and friends to find who she was talking about. So I wasn’t overreacting... she does have crazy fans and I’ve seen the kind of crackpot posts and threads surrounding her life and her songs. She’s not responsible about them existing but there are some really insane ones that may take her words as a call to action.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:20 (six years ago) link
That was what I was saying and it rubbed people the wrong way. There’s many information on the internet that someone with enough free time can find and make wrongful use of it. The less you keep the loonies at bay the better. Anonymous beefs invites them into a “guess who” game which is a bad idea.
Am I overthinking it... yes probably, but it’s a point of view and there’s truth behind it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:25 (six years ago) link
As a longstanding fan, yeah I want to know how her music making is progressing, and yeah I want to know if some industry shit is intervening between artist and audience. The appearance to me is of someone unexpectedly finding they’re unable to deliver on a promise and wanting to give an account for that without breaching propriety. Whatever the overheated Twittersphere want to make of it is their sad problem, I just appreciate knowing that I’ll have to wait longer but not because it’s not done. The feedback loops of emotion around her every move and murmur must be paralysing, like trying to speak with a mic hooked up to a Marshall stack pointed at your face.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:25 (six years ago) link
I really love Art Angels, listened again this week a few times
― mh, Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:32 (six years ago) link
Beating a dead horse in here so last comment I make on the situation (”finally!” exclaimed with relief Alfred and Kath) but Claire likes anime, videogames, is an attractive woman, smart and makes amazing art. There’s an inevitable overlap of crazy fans. She posts a tweet saying “no music soon music industry sucks” a normal fan says “fuck that” but not all of Grimes fans are normal.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:49 (six years ago) link
welcome to realiti
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:50 (six years ago) link
The feedback loops of emotion around her every move and murmur must be paralysing, like trying to speak with a mic hooked up to a Marshall stack pointed at your face.
this is such a great analogy
― flappy bird, Sunday, 18 February 2018 05:05 (six years ago) link
a normal fan says “fuck that” but not all of Grimes fans are normal.
i mean i've never seen an artist with a large fanbase that didn't have some genuinely troubled people populating it. it runs the gamut from John Lennon and Bjork all the way down to Christina Grimmie and Rebecca Schaefer. the most insane fans I've ever met have been U2 fans, ftr.
― omar little, Sunday, 18 February 2018 05:38 (six years ago) link
trying to speak with a mic hooked up to a Marshall stack pointed at your face.
dominickfernow.mpeg
― crüt, Sunday, 18 February 2018 06:14 (six years ago) link
the thing is, being a "public figure" does not mean that you are forevermore unaffected by things, and nor does having fans. and there is nothing lonelier than going through bad shit and being unable to talk about it
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 18 February 2018 06:39 (six years ago) link
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It could be worse. You could've spent your thirties on Twitter.
― Beret McKesson (jaymc), Sunday, 18 February 2018 08:23 (six years ago) link
I was thinking of running a REALiTi poll to determine not which song was the best but the correlation between which version you preferred and how powerful you felt the song to be
because I prefer the demo version and I find it very powerful, spiritually, a place of comfort and inspiration, shelter from the storm, and while I feel like I can understand how someone would prefer the album version, since it's perhaps more correct, in a way more effective, I was thinking maybe they would have a rather different relation to the song (since I think the album version loses some of the ethereality which gives demo its supernatural power)
but then I checked the poll results and demo won by such a margin that I figured the debate was over
― niels, Sunday, 18 February 2018 08:23 (six years ago) link
Little late to the party but the fact were still talking about the agency of an artist like grimes fucking depresses me
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 18 February 2018 11:20 (six years ago) link
they have changed hands several times over the years. afaik the current crew are the guys who came onboard circa 2009. I haven't heard many/any stories of problems. labels can be very frustrating to deal with and that's putting it mildly but I also think the public & many artists have weird ideas about what labels are supposed to do / what contracts say and what an artist's responsibilities are regarding the terms of said contracts, etc, and a lot of the discourse about this stuff is really unhelpful & naive
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 18 February 2018 11:51 (six years ago) link
I can't believe this issue has been raised yet again, but I think it should be obvious that Realiti>Realiti.
― how's life, Sunday, 18 February 2018 12:50 (six years ago) link
how can you do whatever you want (the right of all artists) if you have to keep your promises
― crüt, Sunday, 18 February 2018 13:31 (six years ago) link
yes, they have contracts that are legally binding. OTOH, most music contracts for anyone other than the absolute biggest stars are largely exploitative and a horrible deal. Record labels have total leverage over their artists, and I can see how that can cause issues with musicians that have strong ideas about how their art should be made and presented.
― Moodles, Sunday, 18 February 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
most music contracts for anyone other than the absolute biggest stars are largely exploitative and a horrible deal.
what is your source for this claim? I'm an artist of minor stature who's had several contracts which struck me as fair when I signed them and which pay modest dividends to this day.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
yah that's weird. MOST artists don't get paid because they don't generate any money.
― sleepingbag, Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
well, it takes a long time! my first album for 4AD didn't recoup for well over a decade. but I go into all contracts with a very old-school assumption: that the only money I'm ever going to see is the money I get upfront. anybody who's banking on anything other than the advance is, in my book, waiting for unicorns to come along, and everybody used to understand this
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
what should the expectations be of someone who's had moderate success like Grimes? I could easily see a scenario where that just brings on more and more expenses and puts her ever deeper in hock to the label.
― Moodles, Sunday, 18 February 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
most contracts I know about work like this: you get two advances, one that's money for you and one that's for recording. the recording one you never see, it's paid by the label to the studio and billed to the release you make there. all this is recoupable. people seem to think that's unfair, I guess; I don't & haven't heard a coherent argument for why recording expenses on a release shouldn't be recoupable. the money one you have to earn back on sales before you go into profit, and then your contractually agreed-upon royalty rate goes into effect; it's often quite low, and it always is right there in the contract. some contracts may include a stipulation that the label will give tour support; we almost never asked for that, because we understood that any money we got was being billed to the album. we did get plane tickets bought for us & hotels paid for when we went to the UK; at no time did I imagine these were gifts from our good friends at the label. they're shared expenses. they're billable to sales. that seems fair to me. if I decide to have, say, big stage production & fly first class & travel in a bus...and I ask the label to front me the money for this...presumably they're going to recover that money from sales, and my album won't recoup as quickly or at all. I do not assume the label will be sharing this expense. major labels were notorious for billing lots of employee expenses to bands (like, everybody gets to fly to NY to see the big Fleetwood Mac show in '77 & stays in nice hotels & they're all label employees & hanger-on & then Fleetwood Mac has to pay for those guys? not kosher) but 4AD, to the best of my knowledge, isn't generally like this.
nobody has to ask for tour support from the label, and in my experience labels don't offer it unless you ask. I can't think of other expenses that'd be billable that one would incur without full awareness -- anything they buy you you have to pay for later and again I don't think that's unfair. the one thing that generally IS unfair is the royalty split. smaller indies often operate on a profit-share model, which imo is fairer than a flat royalty %. but smaller indies also often give no advance beyond p & d.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 18 February 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
do you think it's possible that as an artist like Grimes gains popularity, they also get deeper in debt to the label and lose leverage? For example, it seems crazy to me that with people buying ever fewer albums, record labels expect someone at her level to crank out a half dozen videos. How do you ever pay that back?
― Moodles, Sunday, 18 February 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
with grimes, the label doesn't pay for recording because she makes the records at home by herself. the label also isn't able to spend much money on the videos, which only get made if many key personnel are willing to work for free. in this case, this generally means many many hours of unpaid labor from grimes herself working as director, editor, colorist, and main performer. the label chips in recoupable dollars for the first one or two videos, and any that appear after that are the result of cash infusions from external sources like the canadian grant system or tidal.
the main differences between majors and indies afaik are the royalty split (50-50 with an indie label, on a major like 80-20 or 90-10? it varies) and the amount of money the label is prepared to spend on marketing. even the larger indies are very small operations compared to the majors and spend much less on marketing. they also spend much less on hiring the staff that perform vital in-house functions like public relations, radio promotion, and digital marketing. major labels have departments full of people doing those jobs. with small indies they might not have anyone doing that stuff, and with a bigger indie there might be one or two people doing digital marketing and the entire cadre of beggars group labels all share that person.
at a major it would be much easier for the label to gain massive leverage over an artist because of the sheer volume of dollars being spent on the artist's behalf. when you see artists on major labels having label trouble, what's usually going on is that the artist has not turned in music that the label believes in, and they have refused to put their vast and expensive collection of resources behind that music. this is why a nicki minaj or an azealia banks will not be able to secure a release date for an album, or why a charli xcx will release a "mixtape" instead of an album that is not accompanied by much in the way of videos and digital marketing and radio promo.
in grimes' case nothing like that is happening. she doesn't take much money from the label and anything she does take is quickly recouped by sales.
― james brooks, Sunday, 18 February 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
if grimes got a 50/50 split from 4AD her manager deserves the biggest bonus of all time
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 19 February 2018 00:56 (six years ago) link
what? are you serious? i don't think i've ever encountered anyone signed to a bigger indie that didn't have a 50/50 royalty rate in the deal.
― james brooks, Monday, 19 February 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link
oh boy
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 February 2018 01:51 (six years ago) link
― crüt, Monday, 19 February 2018 01:57 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/lJjUg0B.png
― crüt, Monday, 19 February 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link
So was the post above actual insider details about Grimes' contract or an educated guess? It sounds like labels have become much more generous and fair vs the old days.
― Moodles, Monday, 19 February 2018 03:03 (six years ago) link
Perhaps with physical media sales dwindling, the stakes are lower for the labels.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Monday, 19 February 2018 03:09 (six years ago) link
thread just went supernova
― flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 04:00 (six years ago) link
This is why it was suggested at new employee orientation not to discuss your salary with your colleagues!
- very frazzled 4AD Human Resources associate
― how's life, Monday, 19 February 2018 11:56 (six years ago) link
lol I'm inclined to post a screenshot from my 2016 royalties statement from the Label In Question just for laffs but unfortunately the internet isn't as cozy as it used to be. I will again assert that I would be very surprised if Grimes got a 50/50 split from them, as I know a number of artists under that umbrella who would also be quite pleased to find themselves the beneficiaries of such a split. however, it is a new era, it's true, and the people I knew there, even at the top, are largely gone, so who knows. still, I would be surprised.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 19 February 2018 12:07 (six years ago) link
i don't think i've ever encountered anyone signed to a bigger indie that didn't have a 50/50 royalty rate in the deal.
out of curiosity I talked to some artist managers I know this morning - their experience does not reflect yours. the only indies I know who do a 50/50 split with anybody are the ones that don't pay mechanicals, standard royalty rates are MUCH lower than that.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 19 February 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
indie royalties are a lot closer to an even split than major royalties, no? even if they're not as generous as 50-50
― T'Chadwick (voodoo chili), Monday, 19 February 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
isn't 4AD a major indie
― imago, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link
depends on the size of the indie in my experience. a big article on Future of Music Coalition's site states
Here it is important to remember that artists’ contract royalty rate is not statutory, transparent nor is it public. Traditional contract royalties begin at a much smaller “11 –13 percent” and allow for that royalty amount to be further diminished through a process of unfair deductions that are standardized within the industry.
indies do better than that but in my experience only the super-pure-at-heart indies do anything near 50/50. (And, as has been observed for generations, it often turns out that the indie that offers you nice high split like this will ghost at some point and you'll have to hire people to go get what you're owed & then it turns out they didn't even keep track of the master tapes and you wish you'd had a 17% royalty that paid reliably instead of having to waste whole days wondering if scientists have determined how to get blood out of a turnip yet, not that I'd know anything about any of this lol)
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 19 February 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
I wonder what’s the rate at Dischord.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link
just been waiting for my moment to drop "its the roc, baby!" in here
― mh, Monday, 19 February 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
huh weird i got 100% royalties when i signed to 4AD
― flopson, Monday, 19 February 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
I gotta give props to 4AD for giving all of ILM sweet record contracts. The Lulu pre-covers really paid off!
― Moodles, Monday, 19 February 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link
lol, i just went and checked the soundcloud for that. pleasant plains's pumping blood has been streamed 4000 times. n/a's pumping blood has been streamed 1600 times.
Someone out there really likes blood.
― hi, we're the accountin' goats (how's life), Monday, 19 February 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
everyone i know who signed to a bigger indie did so in the bloggy internet boom times when merge and XL were getting number one albums and everyone in that industry thought the dinosaur majors had been vanquished and could never return to power
i'm sure what passed for "normal" during that time did not reflect the experience of everyone from before that time and anyone who will ever come after
― james brooks, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
ha that was during that window when people were getting rich off TV commercial placements
good times, good times
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
Venus Fly behind the scenes. So freaking cool.
https://tidal.com/browse/video/70001854
― how's life, Saturday, 24 February 2018 13:44 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/t7CxXtTl.jpg
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
Fantastic.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
important follow-up to that:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfmN-YDg6Rl/?hl=en&taken-by=grimes
― how's life, Sunday, 25 February 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
hides looks good. they should collaborate on a pachinko machine for Konami.
― Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 25 February 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
this is cool:
Now she’s returned to social media to offer another update, clarifying that she’s “back in the studio making a million beats” and working on “one final album for my shit label and then my first album on a label of my choosing which im crazy stoked about eeeee. or i might go fully independent, researching options. the second one will be extreme darkness and chaos, the first will be highly collaborative and most glorious light.
https://www.stereogum.com/1984585/grimes-plans-highly-collaborative-final-album-for-her-shit-label/news/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 00:19 (six years ago) link
has 4AD done in this in the past / do they have a reputation a la Sub Pop?
So will the last album for 4AD be willfuly bad? She should do some 10 remixes and tape manipulations of “Scream” and call it a day.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 26 February 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link
Don't think Grimes would do that to her fans. The descriptions of both records sound great. Interesting way to work out a very particular type of angst maybe. We don't exactly what the problem is so might come out in the music. Whatever. I hope she comes thru & at least she's not walled off like Sky Ferreira - I can't believe it'll be 5 years since Night Time, My Time this fall. and I really hope Masochism finally comes out this year.
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 01:08 (six years ago) link
wasn't the last album technically released under two labels?
― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
cool, hanging out with hideo kojima, he'll be good mentor as far as completing projects and having them come out in a timely manner
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 February 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
oh hush, you
― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Monday, 26 February 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
Hahahaha
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
alright, backstory for non-gamers?
― how's life, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
hideo kojima made the Metal Gear series
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
i quit playing video games before i was a teenager but Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty has stuck with me for 17 years and is remarkably prescient
kojima is a living legend
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
he also has had "problems with the label" recently, so they might have bonded over that
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
he notably has to be prodded to actually finish a game
― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
Kojima is one of the most famous and ambitious game directors, known for huge budgets and way too many projects stuck in development hell.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
Silent hill, man
― kolakube (Ross), Monday, 26 February 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
The PT preview game for Silent Hills was so good and the most terrified I’ve ever been playing a game. I broke my controller against the wall after one of those hallway scares.. not joking. One of his projects I was looking forward the most.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 26 February 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
^ amazing game. Buddy projected it on the wall, it was a hellish vortex. Crying babies drove mad
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 02:53 (six years ago) link
*drove me mad
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
is that the one in the corridor that you keep going back to?
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link
Yeah that's the one. There is an actual order and steps to be done before going through the corridor each time (while avoiding to be killed by your ex-wife's ghost). By the way some steps were ridiculous like whispering names into the controller's mic at certain points. When completed an actual trailer for the game was revealed (when first launched there was no info on who was behind the mini game just the words PT whic stands for Playable Trailer)
The concept trailer made by kojima and del toro also looked amazing. Really sad this is not happening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNMseVbyc3g
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
Also for extra sadness: Junji Ito was going to be involved twitter.com/RealGDT/status/648117433593655296?s=09
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
Back to Grimes it would be so awesome to have her collaborating on Death Stranding with Kojima either as a cameo 'actor' or doing some sound loops for the game (or both).
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
Btw for you of those who have no idea who Kojima or what a Death Stranding is, it's the game he has been developing since he was fired from Konami and it looks fucking bonkers... here's the three concept trailers released so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx4Fq-pKAzM
Starring Norman Reedus, Mads Mikkelsen and Guillermo del Toro as actors for the game so far. The budgets on his projects are crazier than the concepts.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
It'll be released with the Playstation 6, no doubt :)
― mh, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
Starring Norman Reedus, Mads Mikkelsen and Guillermo del Toro as actors for the game so far.
also all three have said they have no idea what the game is even about!
i love that kojima's out doing his thing in an industry where triple A is increasingly bland but he disappeared up his own but a while back
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
we should make a speculative thread for it, even if grimes would probably love us talking about video games in a thread about her music :)
― mh, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
this is probably the only part of the thread she wouldn't find horrifying tbh
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
you say it like she hasn't read it already. hi grimes!
― imago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
Grimes remains our kid's favorite musician. He recently claimed she was more famous than Katy Perry.
― omar little, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
:)
― nxd, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
that...might....be.......true?
― imago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
― had (crüt), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
Hides also has the opinion that there are three goods bands: Joy Division, Talk Talk, and Asia.
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
HIDEO stupid autocorrect
ah c'mon he loves more than that
― mh, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:16 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
when he's right, he's right
(tho i've seen him big up echo & the bunnyman, bauhaus, others --- he's basically an ex goth)
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
massive cure fan too
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
he named his dang pretend mercenary group diamond dogs
― flippy bard (Will M.), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
now I'm just going to have prolonged MGS5 flashbacks all afternoon
― mh, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
Grimes remains our kid's favorite musician
My 5yo daughter is the same, but also loves David Bowie equally.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 02:19 (six years ago) link
Give it a year or two and you'll know more Meghan Trainor songs than you even thought existed.
― everything, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 02:39 (six years ago) link
They showed the class a video with music by Taylor Swift the other day, whom has been blessedly absent from my life up until now.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 05:00 (six years ago) link
Juno Award for the Venus Fly video!
― how's life, Sunday, 25 March 2018 11:38 (six years ago) link
very nice.
went on her subreddit the other day and they have a banner above it that reads #FREEGRIMES
― flappy bird, Sunday, 25 March 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
Yeah, there are some intense people over there for sure.
One thing that I'd never been aware of is that I guess there's a type of fan that pays close attention to who an artist follows on instagram and twitter? Right now there's a thread at the top of the sub about Elon Musk following Grimes, but I've also noticed "Grimes and 4AD stopped following each other!" and "why doesn't grimes follow _______ anymore? aren't they still friends?" type comments. idk.
― how's life, Monday, 26 March 2018 09:37 (six years ago) link
the myspace top friends drama lives on in followbacks
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2018 12:26 (six years ago) link
rl lol
a grimes myspace page would be wild
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 26 March 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
first time i heard grimes was myspace!https://myspace.com/boucherville
― sean gramophone, Monday, 26 March 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link
Empty profile now - but back in 2010... https://web.archive.org/web/20100414025031/https://myspace.com/boucherville
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 26 March 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link
Wait Elon Musk follows Grimes?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 26 March 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
her (2010) profile rules. grouper and grimes at casa del popolo!
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 26 March 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
dang, I was in town two days before that! if only I'd known
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
Montreal Grimes >>>>> L.A. Grimes. Not that I'm biased or anything.
― pomenitul, Monday, 26 March 2018 21:28 (six years ago) link
http://www.nme.com/news/music/grimes-im-poppy-collaboration-2306774
This doesn’t excite me to be honest.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 3 May 2018 04:24 (five years ago) link
yeah there's nothing exciting about that
― ufo, Thursday, 3 May 2018 04:29 (five years ago) link
whos poppy
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 04:29 (five years ago) link
spent my whole teenage years obsessing over 4AD - pretty jarred by grimes calling it shit
wtf
― done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 04:37 (five years ago) link
I'd be curious to hear Grimes' thoughts on the last two Twin Shadow albums.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 3 May 2018 04:44 (five years ago) link
holy crap, what's up with that NME website? i guess they closed the print version so they could focus exclusively on burying 5 sentences of content within an avalanche of garbage ads? i'm not sure i was able to extract any information from that page, but my brain hurts now.
― enochroot, Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
― done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, May 3, 2018 12:37 AM (eighteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
she has called every label shit so far.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:56 (five years ago) link
She’s probably right tbh
― done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:01 (five years ago) link
4AD is not really 4AD anymore, hasn't been the curated sorta label it's remembered as since around 2008.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:20 (five years ago) link
grimes/poppy seems a v fitting collab to me
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:32 (five years ago) link
Yeah not mad at it
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 4 May 2018 02:27 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/uHSbI7t.jpg
this would be way more exciting than a Poppy collab if anything comes of it (that's kpop thread favourites LOONA)
― ufo, Friday, 4 May 2018 06:40 (five years ago) link
she's also working in some capacity on new Ngaiire material!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiMGSV6lBEo/?taken-by=ngaiire
― monotony, Friday, 4 May 2018 06:41 (five years ago) link
Grimes ftw
― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 06:43 (five years ago) link
xposts Grimes fans who are not K-pop thread denizens should check out: https://youtu.be/XznW8Ti6WWk
― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2018 07:51 (five years ago) link
love grimes, poppy & loona tbh so any collab i'm excited for
― nxd, Friday, 4 May 2018 08:37 (five years ago) link
Grimes and Ngaiire!!!! What a time to be alive
― boxedjoy, Friday, 4 May 2018 09:25 (five years ago) link
this is correct - there was a big reorg exactly in '08 iirc.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 4 May 2018 10:55 (five years ago) link
uh
https://pagesix.com/2018/05/07/elon-musk-quietly-dating-musician-grimes/
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 May 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link
What happened to James Brooks?
― MarkoP, Monday, 7 May 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
uhhhhh guess the people paying attention to elon musk following grimes were onto something https://pagesix.com/2018/05/07/elon-musk-quietly-dating-musician-grimes/
― austinb, Monday, 7 May 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
― imago, Monday, 7 May 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
Aside from flaunting their banter online, Musk hinted at his talented Met Gala date on Monday, tweeting “Rococo basilisk,” and a link to the Rococo Wikipedia page.
alright this elon musk guy is smooth as hell
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 May 2018 22:24 (five years ago) link
lolololol kill yr idols
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 7 May 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link
Well, I guess I have to stop listening to Grimes after all
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 7 May 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
is she now officially a world princess
― imago, Monday, 7 May 2018 22:32 (five years ago) link
Incredible pic.twitter.com/drdvnrBKeh— popular comedy account “the pixelated boat” (@pixelatedboat) May 7, 2018
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 7 May 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
brb going to delete all my social media jokes about lojban or whatever in case I end up dating mark zuckerberg in a month
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 7 May 2018 22:40 (five years ago) link
grimes is cancelled
― flopson, Monday, 7 May 2018 22:44 (five years ago) link
Wow
― flappy bird, Monday, 7 May 2018 22:56 (five years ago) link
the grimes reddit not quite giving me the level of outrage and heartbreak i was hoping for for a laugh during my last half hour in the office
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 7 May 2018 22:57 (five years ago) link
Is Page 6 a reliable source?
― how's life, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
Depends
― flappy bird, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:10 (five years ago) link
Hey there, my asst was researching a clever pun for me to post online and noted that you made a related joke in feb 2008 on livejournal, kudos, r u seeing anyone
― mick signals, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:11 (five years ago) link
Elon Musk is not hated everywhere― flappy bird, Monday, May 7, 2018 4:10 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
why not
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 7 May 2018 23:17 (five years ago) link
Elon Musk is not hated everywhere― flappy bird, Monday, May 7, 2018 4:10 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there's some upset and disbelieving posts it's just not at a funny level
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 7 May 2018 23:17 (five years ago) link
Despite her left-leaning politics, Grimes' DIY ethos probably gets her some level of cred with the Randian fanboys.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 7 May 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link
if this turns out to be true I'm officially rooting for 4AD in their beef
― Simon H., Monday, 7 May 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link
Fuck, he's going to end up buying them.
― Simon H., Monday, 7 May 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
if Elon asked me to the met gala this year, I’d go
it looks lit
― mh, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:28 (five years ago) link
Joan Crawford forced to compose the in-flight music for space travel
― imago, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:28 (five years ago) link
yeah we're the only place on the internet focusing on this over Rihanna's dress haha
― imago, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
I thought her bf/partner posted to this thread?
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Monday, 7 May 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link
Elon Musk is not hated everywhere― flappy bird, Monday, May 7, 2018 4:10 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkwhy not
― flappy bird, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link
xp we broke up a while ago, I didn’t want to get into details on here
― mh, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link
Between this and 0pn’s CCRU name checking, I’m thinking 2018 is a good year to extirpate crypto acceleratoratinism from the art world
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Monday, 7 May 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link
fire nick land out of a cannon though
― mh, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link
i like Musk more than Thiel or Bezos, less than Zuck
― flopson, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link
who else is in your myspace top six
― mh, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
my sincere apologies mh, I didn't wish to intrude
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:07 (five years ago) link
― imago, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:33 (five years ago) link
fuck I am an idiot
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link
you got the point though
― mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:40 (five years ago) link
well actually my point was that it was pretty shit to post speculation about who she was dating, for that reason
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:44 (five years ago) link
lol Joan left that house 10 years ago
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:49 (five years ago) link
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/elon-musk-steps-out-with-new-girlfriend-grimes-at-met-gala-2018/
― o. nate, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 01:25 (five years ago) link
how did I never know about thishttps://web.archive.org/web/20090629071455/http://www.startribune.com/local/west/49134952.html
― mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 01:39 (five years ago) link
Tesla, worth about $50 billion, employs more than 10,000 workers at its Fremont factory. Alongside the company’s remarkable rise, workers have been sliced by machinery, crushed by forklifts, burned in electrical explosions and sprayed with molten metal. Tesla recorded 722 injuries last year, about two a day. The rate of serious injuries, requiring time off or a work restriction, was 30 percent worse than the previous year’s industry average.Frantic growth, constant changes and lax rules, combined with a CEO whom senior managers were afraid to cross, created an atmosphere in which few dared to stand up for worker safety, the former environment, health and safety team members told Reveal.And in addition to yellow, Musk was said to dislike too many signs in the factory and the warning beeps forklifts make when backing up, former team members said. His preferences, they said, were well known and led to cutting back on those standard safety signals.“If someone said, ‘Elon doesn’t like something,’ you were concerned because you could lose your job,” said Susan Rigmaiden, former environmental compliance manager.
Frantic growth, constant changes and lax rules, combined with a CEO whom senior managers were afraid to cross, created an atmosphere in which few dared to stand up for worker safety, the former environment, health and safety team members told Reveal.
And in addition to yellow, Musk was said to dislike too many signs in the factory and the warning beeps forklifts make when backing up, former team members said. His preferences, they said, were well known and led to cutting back on those standard safety signals.
“If someone said, ‘Elon doesn’t like something,’ you were concerned because you could lose your job,” said Susan Rigmaiden, former environmental compliance manager.
https://www.revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-safer-but-it-left-injuries-off-the-books/
― Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 01:54 (five years ago) link
That's pretty good supervillain material. "I will not have my magnificent factory defiled with tacky human safety precautions!"
― mick signals, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
Justine Musk's on their marriage.
Still, there were warning signs. As we danced at our wedding reception, Elon told me, "I am the alpha in this relationship." I shrugged it off, just as I would later shrug off signing the postnuptial agreement, but as time went on, I learned that he was serious. He had grown up in the male-dominated culture of South Africa, and the will to compete and dominate that made him so successful in business did not magically shut off when he came home. This, and the vast economic imbalance between us, meant that in the months following our wedding, a certain dynamic began to take hold. Elon's judgment overruled mine, and he was constantly remarking on the ways he found me lacking. "I am your wife," I told him repeatedly, "not your employee.""If you were my employee," he said just as often, "I would fire you."
"If you were my employee," he said just as often, "I would fire you."
I don't know how is that going to fit with Boucher's brand of feminism.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 03:06 (five years ago) link
This is wild
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 03:25 (five years ago) link
she's wearing a tesla choker
https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/elon-musk-grimes-met-gala-2018.jpg
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 03:51 (five years ago) link
isn’t this a huge social event like an awards show and people feel obligated to have a date, with a high profile date being social currency?
that choker is pretty bad, though
― mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 04:20 (five years ago) link
like if ned raggett took grimes to the bjork poll?
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 04:39 (five years ago) link
wow this is depressing
― ufo, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 04:46 (five years ago) link
Yeah
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 04:57 (five years ago) link
idk seems like it could be fun to date a billionaire for a little bit
― gbx, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 05:00 (five years ago) link
But he's bad
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 05:15 (five years ago) link
are grimes fans referring to this as elongate yet y/n?
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:16 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:36 (five years ago) link
lolled at tesla choker
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:39 (five years ago) link
I don't know enough about Elon Musk to hate him. I don't really follow the silicon valley bro thread or whatever. If this is true, I'm possibly heartbroken for her partner, but we haven't heard his side of the story yet so...
Weird little irrelevant sidenote for me is that I decided to order Art Angels on vinyl last week after listening to it on mp3 all this time. I brought it in off the porch when I got home from work and then right after, this news broke.
― how's life, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 08:49 (five years ago) link
Oh wait, James did retweet this, which is pretty hilarious
pic.twitter.com/GDTzxgp8J6— Alice Teeple (@creeple) May 7, 2018
― how's life, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 08:57 (five years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/BigJX_wD577/
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 11:37 (five years ago) link
Nice.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 11:41 (five years ago) link
looool
― imago, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 11:42 (five years ago) link
Well I huh?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 12:05 (five years ago) link
taking the Ramona Flowers/Gideon cosplay a lil too far tbh
― Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 12:08 (five years ago) link
on the positive side she mentioned on twitter she's been working on David again
― ufo, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 12:17 (five years ago) link
honestly idg what is so bad about him. mostly seems like a clueless millionaire who wastes his money on futuristic vanity projects like electric cars and stuff. it's not like he fabricated lies to get us into the Iraq war or personally had a hand in the surveillance state or legalized torture or something. ppl that actually did those things are celebrated as heroes.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:18 (five years ago) link
― Simon H., Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:54 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:20 (five years ago) link
and one more!
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/21065/tesla-workers-elon-musk-factory-fremont-united-auto-workers
― Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:22 (five years ago) link
just a clueless union busting, de-regulating, risking-his-employees'-lives millionaire
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:24 (five years ago) link
*billionaire
― Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:27 (five years ago) link
indeed, was quoting Adam
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:27 (five years ago) link
by the sound of things he's quite possibly not a billionaire at this point
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link
Google has him at 19.4bn but who fucking knows what that really means (beyond that he deserves the 'tine)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:33 (five years ago) link
uncontrollable
― cr.ht (crüt), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link
I did find it a bit hypocritical that this thread was celebrating so hard when grimes started dating George W Bush
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:54 (five years ago) link
I love that boat story upthread, it’s more PB Shelley than Twain tho
― sciatica, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link
lol, the Velvet Glove Cast in Iron
― how's life, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
Everyone in the PayPal mafia should find a muse.
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link
adam start herehttps://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
maybe I'm in the minority but I don't find her very sympathetic in that article. "other men only liked me for my small waist, but elon musk gave me his credit card to buy books, and it was true love" is like bad YA novel shit
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
He looks happy like a billionaire who just bought an expensive Marc Chagall.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
http://imgur.com/A8390LTl.png
$900.
― mick signals, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
she looks kinky as hell ill give im that
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link
Oh my god
Every picture I've seen of Grimes and Elon Musk is giving me horrible flashbacks to seeing my friends in our Vampire: The Masquerade LARP dating 35 year old libertarians in leather dusters with katanas who parked on the Denny's sidewalk while blasting Closer by Nine Inch Nails— stalinist thug (@CyberspaceSeven) May 8, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
jfc she's almost 35 herself let a woman live twitter
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
she's 30
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
dirty thirties
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
that's a lot closer to 35 than the LARPers the tweeter was referring to! and a lot more of an adult than people are implying with stuff like that
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
i mean. i assume. idk. twitter irony or w/e. i literally knew teens who were dating mid-30s vampire ephebophiles back in the day and this is all the way NOT that
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
has the phrase "(x) is cancelled" ever been more appropriate
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
yeah that’s not that, that’s an indie artist who built her brand through woke socialist concepts dating a billionaire libertarian who believes public transport are eeek full of mentally ill people willing to kill you.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
Simon wait until you read about Jeff Bezos, you’re gonna flip
― flopson, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:19 (five years ago) link
flopson yr attention is required in the words that annoy you thread bud
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
this thread is so gross
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
at the risk of ignoring the voice in my head saying that there is something problematic about what I am about to say although I have not quite pieced together what that problematic aspect is yet,NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
man alive otm
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
yeah that’s not that, that’s an indie artist who built her brand through woke socialist concepts dating a billionaire libertarian who believes public transport are eeek full of mentally ill people willing to kill you.― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:18 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:18 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i mean calling her a hypocrite is fine, it's the comparing her a defenseless child/ingenue/whatever that is super gross, like, this is an adult making adult-ass decisions
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
despite her acting like a total 10 year old
what's that kink where the person acts like a child and calls their partner daddy?
it's all over instagram now
*googles*
o ddlg
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
Damn dude
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
an adult who chooses to act like a 10 year old is still an adult, idk what yr point is
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:22 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 10:32 AM (thirteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― brimstead, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 10:23 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and wtf is this
― brimstead, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
Musk and Grimes in the conference room.
― how's life, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
man alive seems bummed that grimes is dating elon musk
definitely lots of gross comments itt, but it is newsworthy/worthy of discussion/i understand why people are so flummoxed, even upset, because Grimes' ethos seems completely at odds with Elon Musk's. which whatever, it is what it is, it's just jarring for now.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
i'm far from upset btw
saw her at fyf a few years ago
twas fun
but ya
child
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
Oh, completely deserving of an early death as well, don't get me wrong.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
you don't understand, he's dating kehlani
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
don't idealize celebrities and you won't be upset when they do things you don't like
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
an ILM without gross comments about female musicians has never been the ILM i've known though it's less frequent now, the herd's been thinned and certain posters (myself included) have grown up.
she can do what she wants, also maybe we shouldn't speculate even passively about whatever went down w/her previous relationship, all things considered.
― omar little, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
i find it unfortunate, that this is how ILM remains.
― omar little, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 10:39 AM (twenty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh cool i’ll get right on that
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
also wtf happened to this thread
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
it's asking for a temp lock at this stage tbh
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
says me, the back seat mod
― omar little, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 11:39 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark
..is this a threat?
― kinder, gentler (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
it's a favour to a fellow ilxor tbf
shouldn't lock this thread but i do encourage liberal use of fp
― imago, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
i'm sorry for derailing the thread everyone, love you all, no excuse, gonna stop talking abt it now
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
ok so seems like the exact same kind of celebrity gossip that ilx does every day but i guess there is an ilxor involved? just saying to someone who didn't know that nothing in this thread scans as objectionable
― kinder, gentler (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
there's an elon musk thread in ILE can we take it there instead
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
I for one am happy to keep the discussion to why EM is creepy and terrible
― Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
― kinder, gentler (sleepingbag), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:56 PM (ten minutes ago)
yeah you just can't escape the threads about how jerry garcia has a daddy fetish or parquet courts look kinky as hell
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
don't idealize celebrities and you won't be upset when they do things you don't like― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 10:39 AM (twenty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkoh cool i’ll get right on that― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:40 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:40 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol yeah i mean obviously but it's still surprising & disappointing at some level. people feel very connected with artists and Grimes is an eminent millennial artist, with a history of activism & advocating for liberal/leftist causes. so intellectually yeah, it's easy to say "who cares who she dates/who she's seen with," and even if you don't care that it makes her look like a hypocrite, it's just disorienting, like one of those mr. krabs memes.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
This is reminding me of all the weird shit FKA Twigs got when she started dating Rob Pattinson.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
I know the boat story is old but I just learned about it today, the same day I learned Grimes is dating Elon Musk, and I can’t help but feel these two enthusiasts of new and daring modes of transportation are perfect for each other, my best to the happy couple.
― sciatica, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
― brimstead, Tuesday, May 8, 2018
do go on with the chatter of the last 24 hours
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
Grimes is an eminent millennial artist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4zWY-DfXcU
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
― kinder, gentler (sleepingbag), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 7:56 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
How do you always manage to find the threads where sexism is at play and be a dumbass? Do you receive a sort of bat signal or something? Does your sexist nose just smell where the misogyny is?
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
if I was still young and hot I think having a lame rich boyfriend would be fun
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
briefly
alfred, i was echoing your sentiment and just adding 'wtf'
― brimstead, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
itt I imagine I am Grimes
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
I'm guilty of jumping into threads about musicians I'm not that invested in when there's something newsworthy, but doing it at this juncture for this particular situation is some drooling-over-tabloid news
― mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
― brim stead,
ok cool let's team up on sleeping bag
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
― Yerac, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 2:09 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
rob pattinson doesn't run a death factory
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
seems a little overwrought for a bunch of ppl jezebel-lighting on a younger girl dating a supervillain billionaire 20 years her senior, but you know, who gives a fuck you + katherine can interpret the world however y'all want xpost to euroshithead
― kinder, gentler (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
let sleepingbags lie
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
you need to take a nap sleepingbag
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
are we sure this is actual dating and not just a scheme to release a grimes-themed tesla car in the near future to distract from the fact they can't produce more than a few cars per day
― mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
seriously though, if I had a nickel for any time two people with some level of celebrity appeared at an event together and the gossip press fell over itself to claim there was something serious going on, I'd definitely have more net income than tesla motors
― mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link
i wouldn't be surprised
grimes sold out when she moved to los angeles
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
wait til she moves to Mars.
― omar little, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
i for one look forward to her Martian concept album recorded on its actual surface
this thread got very bad!!
― gbx, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
has ∞ been 51'd yet
― cr.ht (crüt), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
it's a mystery to me that he's still allowed to post here
― 龜, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
believe it or not, it is possible to hold in one's head the thoughts "I enjoy Grimes' music," "Grimes is an adult who can make adult decisions," "I question some of those decisions," "Elon Musk sucks on a personal and professional level," "it's shitty to publicly speculate about the specific kinks of real people who have not invited such speculation," and "that kind of speculation happens most frequently and with most salivation to women"
and also the thought "there is an elon musk thread and it's not here"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
lol yeah i mean obviously but it's still surprising & disappointing at some level.
lol no it isnt
people feel very connected with artists
fools
and Grimes is an eminent millennial artist,
what even
with a history of activism & advocating for liberal/leftist causes.
none of this is real
so intellectually yeah
a very low bar indeed for what intellectual is tbqh
, it's easy to say "who cares who she dates/who she's seen with,"
yes. yes it is
and even if you don't care that it makes her look like a hypocrite,
which u shouldnt even if u swallowed any iota of the public persona of a pop performer
it's just disorienting
arah come on now, disorienting?
, like one of those mr. krabs memes.
dont know this are they good
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:08 (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sup flappy we still cool
― gneb farts (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
lol ilm
katherine's closed the case imo
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
hi i didnt mean to indulge that creepy shit! i was simultaneously in another convo where someone was doing that "we need to PROTECT her" shit and i guess i got mad abt it here? it was dumb. i wish we could go back in time to when we were excited about LOONA + grimes u know? :(
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
lol yea dmac
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
let's hug it out yo
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
nope
― sleeve, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
u kno yr within yr god given right and i respect that
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
this thread has always sucked
I guess that's part of why I'm so conflicted about that Blood Diamonds song. I dig it, but it's so sexually charged that it makes me question my motives for liking it and Grimes overall. Am I into the music, or am I just another dude crushing on the cute girl? And again, how can I even make a distinction?― Evan R, Thursday, June 7, 2012 7:17 PM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkI think the other thing is she has a little girl voice, so when she sings that "talk to me daddy" line, she's playing into some sort of icky fantasies― Evan R, Friday, June 8, 2012 12:50 AM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkVisions is sexy too, of course, but its sexiness comes from her overall energy and intimacy and the romanticism and physicality in her lyrics. This is the first track I've heard where she seems to be going for a deliberate Lolita thing, so it just feels a little cheap and easy― Evan R, Friday, June 8, 2012 12:53 AM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Evan R, Thursday, June 7, 2012 7:17 PM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Evan R, Friday, June 8, 2012 12:50 AM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Evan R, Friday, June 8, 2012 12:53 AM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:57 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:58 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:09 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
(posts edited)
The Trump era came early to ILM.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
kill v. fp
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
but is she a electro-frankie vallie?
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link
https://gizmodo.com/i-had-no-idea-who-grimes-is-but-after-20-minutes-of-mi-1825843922
― carles danger mous (s.clover), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
btw fps for the use of the word 'gross' makes anyone using it sound so dumb
― gneb farts (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
gross
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
lmfao @ those quotes whiney posted
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link
what is even happening in this thread now
― akm, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:51 (five years ago) link
Dudes being dumbasses
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link
Watch this play out in a 5-part narrative structure, in which the main action will coincide with upcoming album releases. (The music industry sucks and so on ...)
Also, interesting how all this will cross with the lyrics and who knows what else. Swift with a twist.
Also, dolphin.
― Franki, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
2018: the year of Tesla Grimes and White Power Kanye.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link
Don’t forget our childish mangino
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
Manbino
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 23:28 (five years ago) link
Back to the music of Claire Boucher
Elon Musk names his favorite Grimes songs https://t.co/7KaAxal8C6 pic.twitter.com/bpSGV6L190— Pitchfork (@pitchfork) May 9, 2018
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 02:14 (five years ago) link
he is already renaming her songs! :/
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link
Who we gonna manic pixie dream girl now? :(
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 05:33 (five years ago) link
of course the guy from the car industry is going to pick kill v maim
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 06:33 (five years ago) link
odds that elon musk just went onto spotify and played the first 5 or so songs
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
you like grimes? name three of her records
hey i "like" grimes im not "in like" with her sheesh
― gneb farts (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link
deems what's your favourite grimes song
― ogmor, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link
are u nuts i couldnt name a grimes song
― gneb farts (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tvQAAOxy4kpQ9zRM/s-l300.jpg
― Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
xp it's REALiTi (demo) obv
― niels, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
https://image.ibb.co/fv4jJn/realit.jpg
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 16:02 (five years ago) link
"It's Grimes Time!! (feat. Earl Sweatshirt)" is my favorite
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
hmm doesn't seem to be on spotify 🤔
― niels, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 16:30 (five years ago) link
lmao @ the strib article mh dug up. a literal failboat.
― goole, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
how many signals can our rotten culture send that identifying with anyone is delusional? the sense of betrayal about all this is nauseating
― goole, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
deems I'm disappointed you're not a secret grimes fan but impressed at your dedication to ilx
― ogmor, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
this thread rules!
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
― goole, Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:43 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
First, I don't care about Grimes as an idol nor would I identify with her, I think Visions was great and Art Angels was poor and that's the extent of what I think about Grimes as a musician. It would take much more than dating Elon Musk for me to not give her next LP a try. However, she does have her hands in many causes that I do care about, and those causes come in direct conflict with the libertarian visions that Elon Musk has been barking constantly. I think that's ground for disappointment, and I think it's fair to wonder if she has been sincere about her politics.
Second, I think identifying with positive figures is a great thing to do (to a certain extent) and I can totally imagine a 19 year old female musician having a hard time breaking out in the industry taking solace in the success of someone like Grimes. I don't think it's delusional, but I agree that there is no betrayal in the sense she doesn't owe anything to her fans.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 20:23 (five years ago) link
― ogmor, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:50 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a vos service
― gneb farts (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
vhs otm
― maura, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link
i think it’s perfectly natural, fun even, to “identify with” (not sure what that means) an artist whose work you like and who seems cool in interviews or on social media. part of liking things is “identifying” with them. it’s also reasonable to be disappointed if they say something unchill. “identifying with anyone is delusional” is over the top. like who cares
― flopson, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link
Is it wrong to view this as an attention grab / publicity stunt by G?
― calstars, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 22:57 (five years ago) link
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link
Musk just seems like a self obsessed douche so the whole thing is really confusing to me. Then again who am I to comment on the romantic lives of others. I really shouldn’t give a shit.
― calstars, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
Then again who am I to comment on the romantic lives of others. I really shouldn’t give a shit.
is the correct stance
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
Thank you big Jim
― calstars, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:15 (five years ago) link
blessings
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link
well i hope her new album comes out soon
― flappy bird, Thursday, 10 May 2018 02:32 (five years ago) link
Struggling with myself here because making this comment is something I would call another person out for doing, and it's the art not the artist, and I have deep respect for her work and personal autonomy and how people choose to live is not my business. But my eye is drawn again and again to observing that she doesn't look very well in those pictures. I feel uncomfortable seeing them, but my personal history is a major factor there.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Thursday, 10 May 2018 02:46 (five years ago) link
The thing is the disconnect between her so called ideals and dating Elon Musk. She had “anti-imperialist” in her twitter bio not so long ago. So much for counter culture.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 May 2018 06:39 (five years ago) link
Just like Kanye it feels like a slight treason on what they used to think and express in their previous artistic endeavors before 2018 came along and made sellouts of them all.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 May 2018 06:42 (five years ago) link
Um, what? pic.twitter.com/IlTwbppo3h— Al Yankovic (@alyankovic) May 10, 2018
― how's life, Thursday, 10 May 2018 09:27 (five years ago) link
"Flesh Without Musk"https://noisey.vice.com/en_au/article/nekj8w/ag-cook-grimes-remix-2018-flesh-without-musk-elon-grusk
― enochroot, Thursday, 10 May 2018 11:21 (five years ago) link
Haha, I read that as Weird AL too.
― Yerac, Thursday, 10 May 2018 11:59 (five years ago) link
lol elon responded to that tweet
― imago, Thursday, 10 May 2018 12:05 (five years ago) link
imo the response to this whole thing hasn't been 'lol' enough, pls be more mirthful ilx
― imago, Thursday, 10 May 2018 12:07 (five years ago) link
LATE TO THE PARTY ALERT BUT IT JUST POPPED INTO MY HEAD
And he shall be ElonAnd he shall be a Grimes man
― Westworld more like Worstworld right? (Phil D.), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:11 (five years ago) link
i don't see nothing wrong with a little elon grimes (with a little elon grimes)i don't see nothing wrong, baby baby, heyi don't see nothing wrong (i don't see nothing wrong)w ith a little elon grimes (with a little elon grimes)i don't see nothing wrong, hey
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link
wanna drop song soon ish so wud u pref super dark heavy ballad about fighting balrog in the center of earth that is a sex metaphor or a very not pg13 ethereal shadow of colossus demon nu metal song abt insomnia? not 1st single or indicative of album direction, wuts the vibe?— Grimes (@Grimezsz) May 12, 2018
lol at these song descriptions, i'm excited, hopefully she does release one of these soon
― ufo, Sunday, 13 May 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link
"working tracklist" for new album (1 of 2 apparently): https://pitchfork.com/news/grimes-shares-working-tracklist-for-new-album/
― flappy bird, Sunday, 13 May 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
ilx pre-covers?
― how's life, Sunday, 13 May 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
mos def
― flappy bird, Sunday, 13 May 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
eheh, nice titles indeed !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 14 May 2018 10:22 (five years ago) link
Pre-cover, you say.
ILX Pre-covers Grimes's new album
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2018 12:34 (five years ago) link
https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/05/grimes-name-change-elon-musk/
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Friday, 18 May 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
this is going EXACTLY how it should :D
― imago, Friday, 18 May 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link
what's sad is it sounds like people already called her c, and it wouldn't be so dumb but for the needless reference to notation for the speed of light
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 May 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link
he should at least respond in kind by changing his name to elon musik
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 May 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
(which is a reference to music)
“e-musik”And then Carl Craig can sue him
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
#이달의소녀 #yyxy / LOOΠΔ yyxy [beauty&thebeat]tracklist2. love4eva (Feat. Grimes)#LOONA #이브 #츄 #고원 #OliviaHye #Yves #Chuu #GoWon #올리비아혜 #beautyandthebeat #love4eva pic.twitter.com/WsV3HwvITC— 이달의 소녀(LOOΠΔ) (@loonatheworld) May 19, 2018
she's appearing on a track on the LOONA mini-album that's out at the end of the month, exciting!
― ufo, Saturday, 19 May 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
Claire.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdwtY32V4AAuxn4.jpg
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
He literally loves unions
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 02:23 (five years ago) link
lmao we live in hell
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 02:38 (five years ago) link
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 02:40 (five years ago) link
would be great if SF dropped Masochism right now
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 02:45 (five years ago) link
She's probably also a libertarian
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 02:48 (five years ago) link
totally
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 02:55 (five years ago) link
and as we know it's only a small skip from libertarian to the alt-right
oh joy
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:02 (five years ago) link
wtf sky is cool
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:03 (five years ago) link
Fuck Grimes
― Dan I., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:16 (five years ago) link
but guys
she has the receipts
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:29 (five years ago) link
Jigglypuff would never.
― Cousin Slappy, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:32 (five years ago) link
I think I’m falling out of love with her. The new album needs to be amazing if I’m to ignore all this bullshit.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:56 (five years ago) link
She is definitely a nazi
― flopson, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 04:59 (five years ago) link
This is escalating quickly
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 05:22 (five years ago) link
https://i.redditmedia.com/SNUDrs_bb7ButAXV2s_UAmFUPlDr4fJetlgNI-CMba8.jpg
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 05:25 (five years ago) link
https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimes/comments/8l6jb6/grimes_getting_sassy/
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 05:26 (five years ago) link
worse
she's a veganazi
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 05:56 (five years ago) link
This is the worst timeline.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 06:11 (five years ago) link
She used the term "fake news", I'm out
― albvivertine, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 07:10 (five years ago) link
hoo boy
https://i.redd.it/9yt2e0ggfbz01.png
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 09:16 (five years ago) link
Are these a different kind of overly-intense Grimes fans than the ones who I fantasized about mailing Durian to the 4AD offices a few months ago, or the same?
― how's life, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 09:59 (five years ago) link
This is the logical culmination of Art Angels.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 13:18 (five years ago) link
this is the logical culmination of capitalism
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 13:23 (five years ago) link
pomenitul otm, the handwringing here is ridiculous. if grimes was ever your anticapitalist figurehead you were doing anticapitalism wrong
― imago, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link
Who's hand-wringing? You don't need to have previously idealized someone (I didn't) to recognize that they're currently a piece of shit
― Dan I., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link
is grimes... cancelled?
― groovemaaan, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
“humans with differing views on economics often hang out”
Hushed narrator: Grimes doesn’t realize that we’ve secretly switched her regular coffee with modern Twitter, where strangers will @ others and call them walking garbage over small differences in p.o.v.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:39 (five years ago) link
The dead c. :scrolls:
― mick signals, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
More laughing at the contradictions of this absurd situation than hand-wringing at this point.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
remember when the dismemberment plan guy started blogging in favor of the iraq war?
― adam, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
that was funny but this is funnier imo
― adam, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
Is that why Pitchfork gave his album a 0?
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
There was a post in some other thread where it was explained that nowadays it’s not the concept of “selling out” which irks the audience but betraying your self-imposed brand. Grimes without giving it much thought described herself as an anti-imperialist before and now she’s dating what Forbes deems as the most valuable, CEO billionaire in the world. So she’s rightfully being called on for it.
She’s 30 now, the naive, immature cutey brand she had is getting closer to annoying, woman-child. Age is the difference between cool, edgy teen and courtney love.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link
leave courtney out of this
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
Sorry. You’re right it’s abad comparison she’s closer to crazy fairy lady than junkie trainwreck.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link
it wasn't just the "anti-imperialist" bit in her bio, she tweeted fairly regularly about environmental issues, elections, legislation, protests, etc. if anything i'm shocked that she doesn't realize how bad **the optics** are here.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link
omg moka leave courtney alone
Hahaha ok sorry. I’ll just roast grimes from now on.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
I can't tell any more who is genuinely outraged about all this and who is just ironically outraged
― soref, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
It’s like were in the 90’s all over again.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
We’re
eh it's the end of the world and everyone's boredfuck grimes!!!!!
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
grimes=burzum
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
this is an indicator that it's time to listen to sonic youth
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
this is worse than madonna dating a-rod
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
madonna was dating a-rod??
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
this is at least as bad as the time Kate Bush talked about Theresa May and became a "Tory" and even worse than when David Bowie was a Nazi.
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
She’s 30 now, the naive, immature cutey brand she had is getting closer to annoying, woman-child.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, May 22, 2018 12:00 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://blog.amandapalmer.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/leonard.jpeg
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
― omar little, Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:36 AM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
don't know why the scare quotes, she is a tory
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
who is that whiney
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
i know nothing about her other than that she didn't pay her musicians on some tour and a lot of people were angry, but it's hosted on blog.amandapalmer.net so i assume that's her
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:01 (five years ago) link
oh lol
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
just gonna go ahead and say it
grimes was a very typical vancouverite (looks, attitude, and everything) who still never fully realized til she moved to a big city (hello los angeles) her anti-establishment/radical socialist ideas have no place in the modern world -- it's vancouver's and mayor gregor robertson's "greenest city"/vision vancouver ploy
now she doesn't really want to handle the consequences of her ideas if she goes through with them from a practical conclusion/view
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
lot to chew on there, much like a bucket of gristle
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
throbbing
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
pound for pound champion of shitposting now that gabbneb has been banned.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
^ radical lefty living in vancouver
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
The real controversy will begin when Grimes starts supporting the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
yes, if i moved to LA i would suddenly become enlightened lol xp. way to make sense
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
jim will you bang red or blue do you think?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
I was hoping you’d say Montreal is responsible for her thoroughly unrealistic and unmodern politics. My disappointment knows no bounds; has Vancouver upended us?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
jim
like it's your problem if you misread what i say on purpose bud
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
is it all the time you spend in traffic that gives you necessary time to contemplate political issues and arrive at a conservative position?
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
it has pom
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
to a radical leftist everyone to his right is a conservative
you post weird racial sciencey and MRAlike shit dude you're not a liberal
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
lol mra
i know nothing of mra except what you guys talk about on these threads
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:51 (five years ago) link
I, too, believe unions are unmodern and unrealistic. No wonder Europeans are so fond of them, stuck as they are in the Old World.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
while this whole thing is still so bizarre, it's not that surprising looking back 6 years ago when she was doing interviews for Visions and when journalists would ask her about her influences she'd say Mariah Carey, all these pop stars, instead of idk, Cabaret Voltaire or Warm Leatherette or something. that was shocking to me at the time. makes sense that she'd want to jump from 4AD to Columbia or something. and the idea that artists have to be "good people" or have "good politics" for one to be able to enjoy their work is absurd, art is not about the morality of the artist. will we get love songs written about/for elon musk? yes. will it matter if they bang like Oblivion or REALiTi or Flesh without Blood? No
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
You need to have lived in LA to understand it though xp.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
the idea that artists have to be "good people" or have "good politics" for one to be able to enjoy their work is absurd, art is not about the morality of the artist.
there's like several novels-worth of ilx posts on this subject and personally i'd recommend not zooming out in this way
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
she signed to Roc-a-Fella 4 years ago. besides occasional tweets about the Standing Rock or how much Stephen Harper sucked, her politics in practice have been obvious for a while. Jay-Z and Beyonce are capitalists - I think it just comes down to Elon Musk being goofy as fuck, really ugly, and his absurd and dangerous hatred of the color yellow. which are all legitimate reasons to hate Elon Musk and be upset that Grimes is dating him I suppose. but it's not her politics, it just seems like a total jump the shark moment aesthetically. the leap from Jay-Z's politics to Musk's is not that big at all.
xp true
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
if only not to derail this thread further into the twilight zone
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
Literally the only reasons to be the slightest bit aggrieved, upset or concerned about any of this is if A) You were treating electro-pop musician/online person Grimes as a model for ethics under capitalismB) You were hope she would blap you one day
Both of these things make you a fucking psycho and the FBI needs to have at least half the white men posting about Grimes on the internet on some sort of list
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
Whiney OTM
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
is this concurrent with the rap genius investigation?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link
I wonder if my friend who works for Tesla could score me some Grimes merch
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
kids upset at grimes are just immature
and music attracts the most immature older people out of all the arts
part of the whole peter pan thing but it applies to music listeners as well
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
the kids I knew when I was a teen who looked up to musicians and artists as role models are doing some pretty great things in the world today and are pretty well-adjusted adults
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
xp it's almost as if you're saying we should re-think making false idols of pop stars or something
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
right but they're also not ragging on grimes
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
that's not an mra thing per se, but goes back to the bible, i mean if you want to turn every conservative opinion into an mra opinion go ahead but it is misguided
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:16 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is true. All political relationships to artists are driven by unrequited lust.I always knew in my heart of hearts that Kanye would throw over Kim for me, which is why the whole maga thing was especially devastating.
Now... well, I'd still forgive him, but he'd have to write me a song or something to apologize.
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
xxxp they dumped their interest in all kinds of artists for pettier reasons!
I mean, it was the mid-90s and I remember overhearing some kids debating whether No Doubt were really part of the ska revival, or if getting pop radio play was an instant disqualifier, or if they'd drifted away from some weird genre purity test
kids that age are all about finding boundaries, edge cases to figure out where ideas and people fit in relation to each other and when someone they look to in their culture does something unexpected they have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new picture
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
whiney who were your heroes when you were 14
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
which is interesting because what sounds we like may differ from the artist's original intent
and in the politically driven and racially driven climate the u.s. is in, it creates this tension on who you should listen to and what it says about you as a person
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
I feel with the mention of Jay-Z we need to do a 'worst company: Tesla vs Tidal' poll.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
xpost to flappy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEcuMt2crBk
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:40 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes nowhere else in the world or human history have people ever treated art as something social and related to their identity and place of being in the world, this is uniquely because america uniquely has this thing called "politics" you moron, you utter fucking fool.
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
look if it makes you happy you can substitute u.s. with whatever your little heart desires
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link
I like Tidal
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
in the politically driven and racially driven climate of <insert literally any contiguous political mass and chronological period>
hey you really can substitute anything
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
Duh bruh
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link
in the politically driven and racially driven climate of <your mom>
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
Losing pts for creativity but gotta set the bar low on ilx
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
What about
C) real anti-imperialists who hate musk and are upset at grimes for making a joke of their movement.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
which are all legitimate reasons to hate Elon Musk and be upset that Grimes is dating him I suppose. but it's not her politics, it just seems like a total jump the shark moment aesthetically.
Somehow I don't think it's Grimes' ideals that need to be called into question here.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link
You guys are actually reducing an artist's entire aesthetic and belief system down to who she's fucking and acting like it makes you the progressive ones.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:12 (five years ago) link
don't worry she's taking imperialism down from the inside
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
We need to save the backlash for when the actual album comes out.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
Can't speak for anyone else but I dgaf about shtupping tesla guy. All ire emerges from siding with or making excuses for the Bosses rather than labor.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
https://goo.gl/images/XnvzWP
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweiQukBM_k
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
If G puts out some new music, I’ll listen. Otherwise wgaf
― calstars, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
"my boyfriend's not a cyberpunk villain and I'll prove it during the promotional tour for my next album" is, to be fair, incredibly 2018— alex hern (@alexhern) May 22, 2018
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
Who'd-a thought they could be lovers?She makes the bed and he contributes to the Rubio campaignShe likes it neat and he makes a messHe takes it easy, baby, she get obsessed [with capitalism]He's got the money and, err, she has less but is also certainly doing OK for herselfShe don't like cigarettes and he's not so wokeThings in common? There just ain't a one!But when they get togetherThey have nothin' but fun!
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
― calstars
She goes by C nowadays.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
the CZA
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:25 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flopson, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
just gonna go ahead and say itgrimes was a very typical vancouverite (looks, attitude, and everything) who still never fully realized til she moved to a big city (hello los angeles) her anti-establishment/radical socialist ideas have no place in the modern world -- it's vancouver's and mayor gregor robertson's "greenest city"/vision vancouver ploynow she doesn't really want to handle the consequences of her ideas if she goes through with them from a practical conclusion/view― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:25 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
“”you mean claire?” - vancouver”” - @flowersflowers https://t.co/flo1DwHNZN— Owen Ellis (@owen______ellis) May 7, 2018
― flopson, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
Personally I just want to see the receipts.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
srsly tho vancouver norms trying to claim grimes is even lamer than mtl hipsters who can’t keep her name out their mouth being overfamiliar and creepy-mean. ‘This person went to elementary school in my city so i have special knowledge of her’ lol stfu leave my Nazi princess alone
― flopson, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
have we reached godwin's law
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
I think the idea of artists being shaped by their cities is kinda exaggerated, especially in the era of internet/globalisation.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
I find Whiney's position mystifying here -- Grimes is actively caping for a union-buster, fuck that, she gets to absorb some heat for that -- but find his Primus clip just delightful so it's a wash
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
Nothing worse than hipsters going 'arcade fire is so Montreal' when 6/7th of the band is from outside Ontario/the US and the other one is from a rich suburb outside the island.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
lol floppy
u get it
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
van horn street
you just described torontonians publishing stories of people somehow related to their city
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:57 (five years ago) link
VHS otm pace your moniker.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
it's for the Outremont part of the street so don't worry.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
i mean outside Toronto earlier, i'm sorry
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2018/03/15/we-picked-torontos-top-100-songs-now-tell-us-why-were-wrong.html
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
bill barilko disappeared that summerhe was on a fishing trip
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link
I find the thought of Canadians being overtly excited and proud of artists mildly related to their cities charming tbhh
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
"hen Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in health goth and carrying a some dumb ass JRPG" - Bob Marley
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link
we want hen fascism
― Elonio Grimesci (wins), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
but find his Primus clip just delightful so it's a wash
always surprised by who you will go to bat for, I gotta say
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
visions vancouver
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link
― Matt DC
She explicitly defended Musk & Tesla's very dubious business and labor practices on Twitter. Like Joan said, it's an explicit endorsement of politics many of her fans find repulsive.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:59 (five years ago) link
If someone @‘d me on Twitter to attack my signif. other, I’d probably defend/deflect as well
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
We should do a 'would you date Elon Musk?' poll. The truth will shock you!
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
I mean maybe she invites it by engaging a lot w/her fans online(?); and saying “i’ll address it in my next ama!” is kinda rofl-y – but I dunno how anyone would expect a person to respond to such tweets other than “Nunya beezwax” or a defense of some kind. (“You’re right, Twitter rando, he suxx, mea culpa!”?)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:13 (five years ago) link
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, May 22, 2018 6:02 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah so would I, but that's not the point. it doesn't ameliorate her understandably confused & upset fans.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
I thought her defense was the point (as you stated it) – if the point is simply they’re upset that’s she’s dating him, that’s a different kettle of fish (but if they @ her and she responds, it’s on them)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
ya
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link
nvm grimes is good now
New: Musk’s tweet about losing stock options by unionizing could be grounds for Labor Board charges, former NLRB chair tells me: https://t.co/FAJcXXnjha “The employee is going to hear it as, ‘If I vote to unionize, stock options will no longer be an option.”’ https://t.co/zaBaHvejc7— Josh Eidelson (@josheidelson) May 23, 2018
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:32 (five years ago) link
what he means is capitalism works better than socialism
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:37 (five years ago) link
https://www.sfgate.com/technology/article/grimes-elon-musk-dating-tesla-union-factory-defend-12932650.php
good headline
https://i.imgur.com/bYO4v03.png
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:40 (five years ago) link
Newspaper articles now cover precisely same ground as ILM threads! o_O
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
can't tell if serious
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:47 (five years ago) link
I am serious... I know celeb tweets are routinely covered as news, but wouldn’t have expected this batch to be (I may misunderestimate the public’s interest in figures like Grimes & Musk)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:52 (five years ago) link
Guys you won't believe this but I heard from a very reliable source that the singer from Future Islands is dating Elizabeth Holmes!
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
Nah
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:10 (five years ago) link
Elizabeth Holmes should date Diplo
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:11 (five years ago) link
xxp given that Musk is widely regarded as IRL Tony Stark, the newsworthiness is a given.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:13 (five years ago) link
Tombot would the press refer to them as DipShit?
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link
the thing is that Tony Stark is supposed to be cool and charming xpost
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
I know, right?
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:18 (five years ago) link
The Grimes thing gets treated like a joke, but speaking as a sexual abuse victim myself it's just so grim to see a person who's written about her experiences with assault as movingly as she did on "Oblivion" use it as justification for transit privatization & gentrification pic.twitter.com/IcvaGb4x2J— Sean T. Collins (@theseantcollins) May 22, 2018
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:20 (five years ago) link
in real life lols at 'carcinogenic to sit in stopped cars on highway' + defending the union busting of an auto-maker.
i mean at least one can say that she made this whole thing very entertaining for the public.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:28 (five years ago) link
i'm telling you
she is influenced by the cities she has lived in and not only that but, this is what i was getting at earlier:
This is also an entirely typical attitude amongst people from Vancouver’s wealthy west side (where she grew up). Our transit system is fantastic compared to most cities; it also happens to be well used by “scary” folks from poorer neighbourhoods— Regan (@creepeffect) May 22, 2018
https://i.imgur.com/LyuWBsn.png
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:41 (five years ago) link
Xp tweet simon posted exemplifies so much i hate about twitter
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:42 (five years ago) link
I mean how is she not doing what Sean describes in her tweet
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:45 (five years ago) link
As a private citizen it's one thing, as a defender of a private-transit profiteer...
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:46 (five years ago) link
uh she’s still a private citizen(?)
as for her “overcrowded” line; metro rail ridership is actually down in L.A., apparently for a number of reasons; and the sparser crowds have led to greater safety concerns, which further depresses ridership...
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 04:06 (five years ago) link
(cit.: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-metro-ridership-20180124-story.html)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 04:07 (five years ago) link
The 99B bus out to where her mom lives in Van are nightmarishly crowded it is true. You have to wait for like 4 buses before you can even get on. Underground electric mini-trains won't help much. Incidentally their family business is taxis.
― everything, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 04:17 (five years ago) link
Anyway, I agree w/flopson that that tweet above is peak bad-Twitter, as it’s basically saying that the political trumps the personal.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 04:17 (five years ago) link
couldn't agree more, being skeved out by poor people is a personal choice and nobody should be judged on it or shamed for it
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:00 (five years ago) link
All of this is why I love ilx
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:07 (five years ago) link
― Simon H.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp)
making public statements
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:07 (five years ago) link
Thank you
haha, she never said she was skeeved out by poor people, that was y’all putting words in her mouth!
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:11 (five years ago) link
Honestly I have zero investment in Grimes, who she dates, or what opinions she holds, but it’s absurd that she or anyone would be demonized for anything she said in that (quite mild) series of tweets
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:15 (five years ago) link
And when you say something on Twitter you become an official representative of what exactly?
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:17 (five years ago) link
nothing. but criticism of a public statement in a public forum is fair game obv
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:26 (five years ago) link
I agree completely, but read Simon as implyig that being a “defender of a private-transit profiteer” made her something other than just an online person w/an opinion that you may or may not agree with (like any other)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:28 (five years ago) link
ya you guys are conflating la and vancouver public transportation which are two incredibly different beasts
it's true the b-line is super crowded but she isn't suggesting musk's loop as a solution to that
the loop is a solution to la transit which has other problems
for starters, i've heard the loop is like a "personal car," meaning you ride by yourself. he's calling them pods and the loop will transport 16 people at a time
thing is you get limited surface (ground level) space to wait to get into that pod. so it might take 5 minutes to get to your destination, but waiting to get inside it takes like 5 times that
right now the 2-mile stretch will cover an affluent area of the westside down to, i guess by la standards, more of a middle-class neighbourhood
elon musk is trying to get around the city of los angeles doing an eir (environmental impact review) because building tunnels in such close proximity to fault lines require a lot of research and exact building procedures. this research alone takes 3-4 years, yet he's saying he can build the whole thing by late this year, and he says he can build miles and miles of tunnels soon without public money
the details on how he is going to build the thing are so incredibly vague, that people are questioning whether he even knows what he's doing
here is the video of the "info session" he had in la, which provided very little detail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwX9G38vdCE
and another vague news report: http://abc7.com/traffic/elon-musk-holds-rare-town-hall-to-address-la-tunnel-concerns/3490021/
anyway, i guess we should take it to the musk thread
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:41 (five years ago) link
okay, i just saw the car, and it actually looks like a car, and it sits 16 people -- 21:00 in the video
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:51 (five years ago) link
Didn’t a reporter ask how much it would cost to get from Van Nuys to LAX, and Musk replied, “Like, a dollar.”?
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:56 (five years ago) link
fare is $1, as shown in the video, even from dtla to lax
but i mean, this is all conceptual stuff. he's footing the bill for the 2.7-mile loop under the 405
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 06:01 (five years ago) link
the details for that tunnel start at 28:00
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 06:03 (five years ago) link
this is now the dumbest thread on ilx
there must be a musk thread where you can criticize him and his stupid company
― niels, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 06:44 (five years ago) link
This is a truly insane thread
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 08:18 (five years ago) link
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:17 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It’s also bad bc it is incoherent. “As a victim of abuse I disagree with grimes politics of public transit”
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 08:19 (five years ago) link
https://imgur.com/gallery/vndnv
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 09:38 (five years ago) link
But why pay union dues & make next grimes album tidal exclusive for nothing?
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:31 (five years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:19 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh good i was wondering why i reread that tweet like 30 fucking times
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:41 (five years ago) link
ok glad that we can agree that criticizing grimes' politics is in poor taste but functional illiteracy in the service of ripping to shreds a rando on twitter is appropriate.
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
that's definitely what i was saying
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
thread keeps going from strength to strength, great work team
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link
so how about that upcoming grimes album
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link
i'm looking forward to it
― nxd, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
ditto!
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
I hear she's doing a sequel to 2112
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
this will be Grimes' Caress of Steel
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link
Pardon a "chime in" but the internet's response to Grimes x Musk has boiled over in my kitchen and turned into calcified anger
Any "it is important for our faves to be non-problematic" narrative is completely idiotic and just masking bald-faced toxic-fan entitlement to Grimes' body-autonomy
She should be and is allowed to date whomever she pleases without it having any effect on her capacity to make and sell records and tickets
I hope she is having bomb sex and romantic dinners with her gross rich boyfriend and I can't wait for her new album
― nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
agreed; also i hope elon musk dies in a burning building
― cr.ht (crüt), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
That doesn't make any poetic sense tho
He should either die in space or be hit by a bus
― nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link
murdered by the Martian bus drivers’ union
― Elonio Grimesci (wins), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
the grimes body-autonomy defense strike force has logged on
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
cap'n save-a-capacity-to-sell-tickets reporting for duty
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link
This thread is bonkers.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
Lads.
― Music is confidence (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTvanzhR6ok
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
this thread was the best of grimes, it was the worst of grimes
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
infinite love without fulfillment
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
come on guys if Bill Maher can date Ann Coulter, surely any hatchet can be buried at least long enough to have bomb sex
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
haha, she never said she was skeeved out by poor people, that was y’all putting words in her mouth!I will give you ten guesses as to what "sketchy" is usually code for and the first nine don't count.
― THERE IS NO PHIL D. THERE IS ONLY LIZ (Phil D.), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link
― nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:11 AM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well it's one thing she is dating Elon Musk, which I'm cool with whatever floats her boats down the Mississippi river, but when she is actively defending union-busting and ripping into public transport she is fair game as any other artist.
It's not hard to imagine similar situations with similar reactions. For example, if the dude from the War on Drugs started defending the IDF's recent actions in Gaza, it would be very fair to criticize him on that. If a famous hip-hop artist started wearing a MAGA baseball cap, it would be very fair to criticize him on that... Now it's up to anyone to decide if that affects their views of Grimes and it's up to anyone to decide how they respond to the upcoming record and tour. So it follows that it's up to anyone to decide how they respond to an artist's problematic views or actions and the idea that their sales shouldn't be affected is kinda gross in general.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, May 23, 2018 7:48 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
just wanna reiterate this folks
we rounded up a skilled team, brought our A game to drill down on core deliverables and put together actionable strategic staircase where the rubber meets the road
let's hear it for team infinity
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
David
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
I will give you ten guesses as to what "sketchy" is usually code for and the first nine don't count.
She said “it’s hella overcrowded, late, sketchy in most cities I’ve lived in” – you read “sketchy” as “full of poor people”?
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:30 (five years ago) link
true, she could have meant "brown people"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
based on my experience of Americans talking about buses, yes
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
in los angeles, i've noticed people definitely using that line of argument
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
"sketchy" is absolutely a code word
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
ime
yeah her use of sketchy is sketchy to say the least
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:41 (five years ago) link
this is a very bad thread
― gbx, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:41 (five years ago) link
xpostsif y'all say so... Her next line was "[I've] been violently assualted on public transit twice", so I assumed that was what she meant. Reasonable ppl can disagree on whether the solution to public transport's ills are weird space-age tunnel cars, but I'm sure we've all learned to be aware of our surroundings on the train.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
can we go back to arguing about whether the realiti demo is better
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
(the demo of realiti is better at least than actual reality)
what exactly is Elon Musk’s solution to that age-old problem and how is it solved by undercutting public transport and forcing workers to operate in unsafe conditions?
― gyac, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
Musk's public transit proposals are idiotic and specifically designed to undermine other, better thought-out and better-funded efforts already underway
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
realiti still song of the decade, demo or not
― ufo, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
well, I prefer the album version.
― how's life, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
I wonder which version Elon prefers
― silverfish, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
― Simon H., Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:45 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
‘Speaking as someone who has been sexually assaulted and likes a Grimes song, public transit in Los Angeles is good’
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
― gbx, Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link
― gyac, Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Elon Musk
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link
what exactly is Elon Musk’s solution to that age-old problem and how is it solved by undercutting public transport and forcing workers to operate in unsafe conditions?― gyac, Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:51 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkMusk's public transit proposals are idiotic and specifically designed to undermine other, better thought-out and better-funded efforts already underway― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:52 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― gyac, Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:51 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:52 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
See, this is so much better (honestly) than "this person I disagree with is arguing in bad faith and probably a bad person, to boot"
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
take discussion of elon musk's proposed ideas for the future of transportation here: Elon Musktake discussion of elon musk's proposed ideas for the future of transportation here: Elon Musktake discussion of elon musk's proposed ideas for the future of transportation here: Elon Musktake discussion of elon musk's proposed ideas for the future of transportation here: Elon Musktake discussion of elon musk's proposed ideas for the future of transportation here: Elon Musk
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link
― flopson, Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:02 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the grimes song is about assault and also the way that she argues against public transit is to invoke assault, and the point of the tweet was to express that the author of the tweet had felt connected to grimes at first due to the resonance of the song but now feels horrified at the same sort of resonance being invoked in the service of attacking public transit.
how are people this bad at context and interpretation posting on a message board involves, ostensibly, the process of understanding artistic production
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link
i understand that. the tweet is only not a non sequitir after like 5 steps of bad-faith readings into what she said. rather than dignify it with a charitable close-reading i chose the rhetorical maneuver of demonstrating its incoherence by removing all implications derived by aspersions about her motives. how are people this bad at context and interpretation posting on a message board involves, ostensibly, the process of understanding artistic production
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
"rather than admit i understood the tweet i decided to pretend i didn't and deliberately misread it as a 'rhetorical maneuver'"
wtffffff
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
owning people online by deliberately acting like a moron, impressive rhetorical maneuver sparky
guys, guys, what if this thing was actually something else entirely? wouldn't that be dumb! zing!
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
it was a dumb tweet come on
― marcos, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
grimes replyer: public transit is already safe and cheap
grimes: ive been assaulted twice on public transit, its very to get around LA without a car
left twitter guy: i, too, have been assaulted, and i like a song by grimes about assault. i am disappointed that [everything beyond this is from my imagination]
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
fu for making me do the earnest version
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
it's just.... so fucking stupid. this thread sux. twitter sux. who gives a fuck about any of this
― marcos, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
i have heard the use of sketchy to mean "dangerous" as opposed to "there are poor people around." i've seen woman manhandled on public transit in L.A., i know women who don't like riding public transit as a result of similar experiences. it often happens late at night, drunk dudes coming back from partying, people trying to grab someone in a crowded space and then peace out at the next stop, people grabbing purses, whatever. i myself don't feel unsafe but i'm not the usual type of target.
― omar little, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
Maria Sherman educates the car people
https://jalopnik.com/your-guide-to-grimes-and-elon-musk-the-most-bewilderin-1826229106
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
that article sums up the clusterfuck in this thread, but this:
releasing music from a slew of hyper-talented electro-pop musicians that would go on to define a certain ‘00s warehouse party, Montreal sound
uh, this is dumb
that warehouse party sound was happening in vancouver before it hit montreal
i know because i was there foolio!
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:55 (five years ago) link
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:55 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
man and i thought us Montrealers were insecure about our standing in north america
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
vancouver is a very weird place.
― don piano (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
i mean it's not something i bring up first, but it says so in the article so might as well mention it
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
it's called fact-checking bros
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
i'm from van, no shade intended
― don piano (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
k cool
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
No matter what you say, I will claim it started in Calgary with Azeda Booth!
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
grimes really destroyed her entire brand in like 14 days. there's honestly something fundamentally impressive about that— Nathan Bernhardt (@jonbernhardt) May 22, 2018
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
another bad tweet jfc
― marcos, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
Well this guy isn't helping her much
The holier-than-thou hypocrisy of big media companies who lay claim to the truth, but publish only enough to sugarcoat the lie, is why the public no longer respects them https://t.co/Ay2DwCOMkr— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) May 23, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
kind of true tho, at least among one prob significant tranche of her fanbase. she joked about not wanting lessons in public marketing but she could prob get some extremely online friends to screen her tweets for her, like im not even that woke or on twitter that much but feel like i have a p good nose for what’s problematic on twitter, would’ve spotted this frainwreck from a mile away
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
xp to marcos
Nerds @ing grimes to mansplain that she shouldn’t be attracted to her bf are beyond embarrassing - BEYOND beyond embarrassing - but also like, ppl make fun of ppl’s dumb Twitter opinions all the time? That’s kinda what Twitter is? And grimes correct me if I’m wrong is a twitter musician? dgmw I think those wounded by this are deranged but pretty much any celeb gobshite talking up Elton musk would get at least some of this flak (although by no means the greater part of it obv, this is mostly about creepy overidentification going sour)
― Elonio Grimesci (wins), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson)
― gbx
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten)
― akm
― kurt schwitterz
― husked, tonal wails (irrational)
― marcos
― cr.ht (crüt), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
xxp there are some Grimes fans who feel betrayed by all this for sure, but I always thought a big part of Grimes 'brand' was being the subject of memes and meta-humour by the Very Online, and the Musk thing just consolidates that if anything? (Musk is obviously also one of the significant 'characters' in Very Online memes and meta-humour which is why I think ppl are finding all of this so funny, like the divisions between funny tweets where and reality are breaking down?)
― soref, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
Soref otm it’s not grimes who misunderstands her brand here ...
Tho she does misunderstand twitter
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
Lmfao @ Elton Musk
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
Real talk I’ve long insisted on calling him elton musk, to the point that when I came up with my excellent sn I nearly published it as “eltonio” (which actually works a lot better) before I remembered that was based on the joke name I gave him & not his actual name
― Elonio Grimesci (wins), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
Her brand will survive she'll be fine.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
the brands, the brands, won't somebody think of the brands!
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
I want someone to do a 2018 version of Guy Peellaert's Rock Dreams with ppl twitter is obsessed with: Grimes, Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, the prison planet guy etc
― soref, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
https://i.redditmedia.com/uaC71R5gzfUuL6_8BUZITTx-BBBi1m_0JArNGC0H250.png
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link
fuck. i tried doing that before. anyway Elton Musk says "So heavy I fell thru the earth" is about to come out. https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimes/comments/8li9pc/wanna_fall_through_the_earth/
this thread triggered Elton so much he's starting Pravda
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link
She needs to release something soon so we can finally decide if Grimes is over.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
she needs to release a demo, followed months later by a studio cut, then we can extend the thread by a thousand more posts.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link
if we're going to figure this out, we should continue to hype this entire mess to completely disproportionate levels so that the story starts to spill into the mainstream just as the new single lands
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 22:50 (five years ago) link
welcome to realiti!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 22:57 (five years ago) link
tbf this is a good career move for her, generates controversy/attention, and sets her up for a big redemption act when they inevitably break up
(full disclosure I give no shits about her music/career and am only dimly aware of her/don't care)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link
― Music is confidence (Ross), Wednesday, May 23, 2018 5:37 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
Just heard Realiti demo and it reminded me how great it is... so that’s a free of sin pass for me. I’ll ignore her response tweets all is forgiven c, peace.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 24 May 2018 05:11 (five years ago) link
I don’t want him to turn her into a bond villain like him.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 24 May 2018 05:14 (five years ago) link
She's a 30yo, grown woman. She is well past the point of needing help being a shitty person. Why not just go full misogny and say she's been dickmatized?
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 24 May 2018 07:00 (five years ago) link
somebody stop this thread
― niels, Thursday, 24 May 2018 07:01 (five years ago) link
lmao at Slappy being mad that this thread isn't misogynist enough to get performatively angry about. "c'mon guys! i can defend grimes too! just, gimme something to work with here."
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Thursday, 24 May 2018 07:43 (five years ago) link
"you don't have to call her names or anything. i'd take some mild slut-shaming, or even body-shaming in a pinch. i'm jonesing real bad here."
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Thursday, 24 May 2018 07:45 (five years ago) link
Doing your part to keep this hot, hot thread a hot, hot mess. Well done!
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 24 May 2018 08:35 (five years ago) link
LEAVE GRITNEY ALONE
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Thursday, 24 May 2018 08:51 (five years ago) link
Hahaha this thread is hilarious
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 24 May 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
We should start a new thread once new music actually starts dropping.
― how's life, Thursday, 24 May 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
this'll just happen again
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 May 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk--dDnCrUE
well there's a teaser for new music she's involved in so that's something that's less of a trainwreck to discuss
― ufo, Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
i wonder how ilx would react if sting and elon musk started dating?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
Do the Teslas love their children too?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
Lock thread.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 25 May 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link
I, for one, am quite looking forward to the inevitable Kanye/Grimes collab: REALiTi Scoop
― octobeard, Saturday, 26 May 2018 06:37 (five years ago) link
I bet it will lift yourself out of oblivion
― octobeard, Saturday, 26 May 2018 06:38 (five years ago) link
i would love to https://t.co/viQbccrE9Y— CHEAPY XO (@cheapyxo) June 3, 2018
dude! please can we hang 🎶🎶🎶🎶— Grimes (@Grimezsz) June 4, 2018
my brain is dying.
― how's life, Monday, 4 June 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
...tbh she might be a horrible person but I find AZB's music on average way more enjoyable than Grimes'
― Simon H., Monday, 4 June 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
same
― maura, Monday, 4 June 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
She’s surrounding herself with some good company lately.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 June 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
maybe we get lucky and this story ends with AZB making a ritual sacrifice out of him
― Simon H., Monday, 4 June 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
I'm officially convinced everyone involved is a troll out of Henson's creature shop. The latest in AI.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 4 June 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
his name was Jim
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 4 June 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link
azb is ridiculous but would love to hear her collab with grimes (if it doesnt lead to ridiculous beef between the two)
― ufo, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link
so this one is like my ethereal chav jam that’s like ... a cyberpunk interpretation of the bajirao mastani movie (plz watch this incredible film if u haven’t) from mastanis perspective, dunno if it makes sense without the low end. these r just demos bein recorded thru my phone so pic.twitter.com/mdyXQyScj5— Grimes (@Grimezsz) June 5, 2018
well i said i’d post some snippets of new music earlier so this prob sounds terrible thru my phone recording but it’s the cheesy love song i was talking about that i don’t like but everyone else likes, made the instrumental w my new mellotron! pic.twitter.com/KDZLIY8OcF— Grimes (@Grimezsz) June 5, 2018
― ufo, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 06:13 (five years ago) link
Ok, now this is Grimes news I can get behind
― how's life, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 08:16 (five years ago) link
fuckit now I have to dismantle my moral outrage because they sound great
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:16 (five years ago) link
warning: this is probably the very worst way in the entire universe to hear snippets of new music from an artist you like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRl5wi8JCnA
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 June 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link
No it could be worse. It could be played on the stereo of Tesla as it is sent out to space.
― MarkoP, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
whoa she has a mellotron... sick
― flappy bird, Friday, 15 June 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
― beard papa, Friday, 15 June 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
Not judging her for making that ad, but man it’s uncool.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 15 June 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
You go grimes! This will show those about evil conglomerates.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 16 June 2018 06:55 (five years ago) link
Missd a word
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 16 June 2018 06:56 (five years ago) link
SCAB
literally tried to instigate union vote so y’all wud lay off but UAW can’t get enough signatures cuz they abandoned fremont plant in the last crash. bc of this tesla doin third party polling to make sure employees r in a good space since majority don’t want union 🖤 peace— Grimes (@Grimezsz) July 25, 2018
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link
headline: "Grimes Hopes Union Vote Triggers Layoff"
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link
the worst
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link
6 years : a long time pic.twitter.com/fcX36MCXSE— Cruiskeen Lawnmower Deth (@NoChorus) July 25, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link
"cuz"...."y'all"...."wud"...starting a sentence with "literally"?! Grow the hell up.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 26 July 2018 00:50 (five years ago) link
Lol
― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 26 July 2018 00:56 (five years ago) link
i don't mind her writing stylizations
it is distressing how quickly exposure to extreme wealth can make someone lame as hell.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 00:57 (five years ago) link
oh wait, that was sarcastic, duh! first day on the internet here
this is wild. this is so far off from what ...any of us expected? Art Angels made sense. this is like when Grace Kelly became the Princess of Monaco or something
― flappy bird, Thursday, 26 July 2018 04:55 (five years ago) link
?
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:01 (five years ago) link
I don’t think Grace gave any fucks... it’s interesting how Grimes is “leaning in” yet still feels compelled to play defense on Twitter.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:03 (five years ago) link
Tho I honestly don’t understand why most anyone famous is still on Twitter at this point. The cost/benefit analysis seems to have shifted unfavorably
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:06 (five years ago) link
pr sure that doesn't just apply to famous people
― Clay, Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:08 (five years ago) link
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, July 26, 2018 1:03 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes... she is handling this extremely poorly. you have to go all in one way or the other.
i'm just saying when was the last time a noise artist married a billionaire
wild shit
― flappy bird, Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:12 (five years ago) link
It feels like the plot of a zany ‘80s movie starring, like, Rosanna Arquette and Bill Murray
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:23 (five years ago) link
yes! what the fuck!
― flappy bird, Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:24 (five years ago) link
i think they've been dating maybe 2-3 months now?
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:25 (five years ago) link
No they’re married
― jeremy cmbyn (wins), Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:33 (five years ago) link
well, shit
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:36 (five years ago) link
Also shouldn’t this thread title have been changed to grimus/the speed of light in vacuum boucher thread
― jeremy cmbyn (wins), Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:37 (five years ago) link
Wins — settle down there feller
― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 26 July 2018 07:32 (five years ago) link
c-italics Musk presumably
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 July 2018 08:48 (five years ago) link
Ruritanian minor royalty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elon Musk
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 09:52 (five years ago) link
they’re not married
― maura, Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:45 (five years ago) link
congratulations to elon and grimes musk on their marriage
― ||||||||, Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:48 (five years ago) link
They’ve been married about 2-3 years now
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link
happy silver wedding anniversary to the happy couple
― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:06 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is truly how time feels now
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
oh baby every
― No organ. (crüt), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:31 (five years ago) link
Congratulations Mrs Musk!!!
― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
In the past, I've not really had a hard time separating the art from the artist, but this really does sting.
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
Mrs Boucher-Musk-Grimes
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:02 (five years ago) link
Robin Pecknold called the couple "Grusk" on Instagram some weeks back. That was a hearty chuckle.
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
Congratulations mr and mrs grimes
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:13 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
toward the end of the month I always go to the first posts on the rolling US politics thread and it's fucking insane everything seems like it was ages ago and it was 28 days ago
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
it was worth a shot pic.twitter.com/NYyCJhKuZu— Sarah Nicole Prickett (@sylvia__north) July 26, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
Mimes ftw
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link
mimes would be preferable because then elon musk would not say words
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 26 July 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
Neither of them on great word-saying form tbfttl
― jeremy cmbyn (wins), Thursday, 26 July 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
Maria Sherman sums it up
https://jezebel.com/grimesline-a-terrible-relationship-for-our-cruel-world-1827887935
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
good stuff
though this stuff torments me when ppl do it:
There’s other stuff we could get into, but a lot of it is rumor mill nonsense and I’m tryna get to lunch.
i need all the dumb bullshit!!!! don't bogart it!
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
Grimes is a 30-year-old musician who was born on the Canadian Internet to a lawyer mother. She went to McGill University, despite adopting the aesthetic of a crusty punk kid.
oh no, she committed the horrible sin of going to university and then acting like a punk, something 99% of kids that go to university do
this is gross. man fuck this invasive gossipy bullshit.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
Yeah I haven't read the article but these excerpts sound not good
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link
2013: Grimes deleted her Tumblr in 2013 after getting pissed off that the indie music press excerpted her blogs in news posts...even though that is how it works? And she’s very well aware? Because she’s an Internet musician? Or not, which would be concerning for a plethora of other reasons?
if this was someone writing about their ex i would advise them to see a restraining order. what is with this obsessive gossip shit
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link
2009: A favorite tale in Grimes folklore is about the time Boucher attempted to sail down the Mississippi River on a 20-ft houseraft she crafted with a friend. They filled it with live chickens and potatoes and renamed themselves “Veruschka and Zelda Xox” for the voyage, according to Pitchfork. That’s some backwoods libertarian, white people wet dream shit if you ask me.
omg she did a silly thing with her friend in her early 20s, one more reason to hate this horrible person
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
OK, I didn't even know she was Canadian!
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
really hated the era of "hey we cobbled together a news story from grimes' tumblr"
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
what is with this obsessive gossip shit
it's called jezebel
― flappy bird, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
Really awkward retconning of that river trip as "libertarian," ha
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
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grimes-official-giveaway.com/btc/ - for free BTC
grimes-official-giveaway.com/eth/ - for free ETH
P.s. If you send in 3 BTC or 30 ETH, you will get the Grand Prize: a customized 20-ft houseraft, delivery included. Limited to one participant! DM me on Twitter if you did that and we will sort everything out.
Thanks, C. (the first letter of "coin")
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
What have we come to, in 2018, discussing celebrities’ lives when they’re not even in the same room
... not that a lot of this thread doesn’t dovetail with gross invasive fanboy tendencies ... but I also think there’s an overall interesting point about the rightward turn in the artworld that this doesn’t “prove” or even necessarily typify but at least seems connected to
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:32 (five years ago) link
Insane the amount of Montrealers who suddenly have a story of how they were at a house party and Grimes was just hanging there she was just this girl you know and now she's dating Musk holy shit can you believe it life's crazy etc.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link
sounds like the conversation you have over and over again after someone from high school dies
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:50 (five years ago) link
Anyway, completely rejoicing in the increasingly-consensus 180 degrees turn on her. People do care about authenticity and politics. Personally, that's a welcome confirmation.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link
perhaps she's changing authentically into Boss Grimes
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
Evidence of "people caring about authenticity and politics" is not particularly scarce at this moment, in the online space, IMO
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link
CONGRATS MR AND MRS c!🎊🎉🎇🎆🌠💫☀️🥦🌶🍅🍑🍆🍌🌽🥗🥅🏑🎹🚙🚄🏦💰💍🙈🇿🇦🇨🇦🇺🇸
― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
my friend said her friend dated grimes in high school and she was a seriously shitty person. this has also been confirmed by a fairly major musician i know locally. i love grimes but yeah...
― transcendental headache (Ross), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
Well, I'm glad that's settled!
― how's life, Monday, 30 July 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Grimes pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
such a bummer when your favorite artist lives a life
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:57 (five years ago) link
such a bummer when high schoolers are shitty people
― how's life, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
yeah i mean most of my favorite artists engage in anti-union propaganda at some point, just a stage in life you know?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 July 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
lol dudes, funny pushback here...
i mean it is all heresy to me, i love grimes
― transcendental headache (Ross), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link
every canadian is less than four degrees of separation from every other canadian iirc
― mh, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
lol fair
― transcendental headache (Ross), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
Ross is actually my cousin and clemenza is my uncle btwFlopson is my nephew
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 22:12 (five years ago) link
also, if you've lived in Vancouver for more than a decade and are somehow not acquainted with Nardwuar and Grimes' mother then you should get out more.
― everything, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link
Nardwuar was my roommate
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 23:47 (five years ago) link
That’s actually not true
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
h8 ppl who call themselves hardcore fans when they've never actually gone down the Mississippi with her in a ramshackle houseboat filled with chickens
― ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
I got a hug from Nardwuar (in TO) and I'm sure I heard Grimes stories in college (in Mtl). No chickens, tho
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:20 (five years ago) link
no chickens, no credibility
(I'm slightly jealous that you met Nardwuar, though)
― ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:21 (five years ago) link
did u go to mcgill or concordia simon?
― flopson, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:26 (five years ago) link
im a degree or less away from s1ocki owen and robyn but have yet to meet any ilxors canadian or otherwise irl. one time i was listening to ‘roadrunner’ while alphabetizing my college radio stations record collection and robyn walked in and said ‘good song’
― flopson, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:30 (five years ago) link
Diddley or Richman?
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:45 (five years ago) link
I went to concordia (and spent a few years at their radio stn)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:47 (five years ago) link
Is she seriously giving bitcoins and eth for free or is that some meta joke I don’t get.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:58 (five years ago) link
a bunch of twitter accounts with 'elon musk' as the display name were crypto botscammers, i think
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 05:08 (five years ago) link
2018 comes so close to being cyberpunk, yet so tragically far
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 05:09 (five years ago) link
It’s cyber-Social Distortion
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:13 (five years ago) link
flopson, I've been at that radio station :)
― mh, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link
that is, assuming it was the mcgill one
― mh, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link
it was :)
and i was listening to modern lovers
― flopson, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
I guested on a friend's show there once. Nice little setup.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
grimes and elon musk held azealia banks hostage pic.twitter.com/AqrblEjbhX— 𝙫𝙧𝙤𝙤𝙢 𝙫𝙧𝙤𝙤𝙢 (@bvrnrubber) August 13, 2018
― Number None, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
haha holy shit motherfucking Damn
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
I still love grimes but honestly I hate elon musk and the entire genre of person—wannabe tech messiah/tony stark—he represents and this whole ordeal has been very difficult for me
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
https://ksassets.timeincuk.net/wp/uploads/sites/55/2018/08/azealia_banks_insta_2000-768x1367.jpg
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkfynrHXsAAVjF6.jpg:large
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:43 (five years ago) link
For days?
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:43 (five years ago) link
Super weird and existential
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkfzWKIWsAAuqFa.jpg
I don’t like any of it
jeez
She kept going. pic.twitter.com/YF8PX56dm3— Jeremy C. Oweñs (@jowens510) August 13, 2018
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
dang
― Karl Malone, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
i guess i'm jumping to conclusions but my immediate reactions are
ELON MUSK SUCKSGRIMES SUCKSAZEALIA BANKS SUCKS
in that order
― Karl Malone, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
banks not coming off 100% well here idk ya xp
― imago, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
i hope this all brings azealia banks tweets to the forefront of yahoo finance, etc. news aggregators
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link
reliable narration going on here for certain
― omar little, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
Traded in all my Grimes albums this past weekend.
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
omar otm
― imago, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
'he's on the down syndrome spectrum' = instant disregard of every word
― imago, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
it's azealia banks. how the hell else is she going to come off?
― how's life, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
man if she'd stopped just a little shorter there could have been some real rep rehabilitation lol
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
should have stopped at "elon's family wealth from south african mines (sus)"
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
this is the rare social media brouhaha where everyone might get what they deserve
is that true about elon musk's family?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
azealia's comments on anything are always 2/3 otm and 1/3 "what the actual fuck," this is more of the same
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
Hadn't seen this one yet.
https://ssl.ulximg.com/public/userfiles/2018/08/AB%20-%20Get%20Out.JPG
― how's life, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link
She is kind of an unpredictable character for sure but it wasn’t her who recently thought it would be a cool thing to call a heroic emergency worker a pedophile
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
Not hard to imagine him being bizarre/dismissive toward banks
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
azealia banks will never log off, and will always give you 300% more than you need
lol x-p past katherine, who confirms
― mh, Monday, 13 August 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
xp!
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 13 August 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link
musk's family is on some suspect afrikaner wealth, but part of his dad's money is from some chance circumstance where he sold a small plane to a dude who immediately offered him an emerald mine (??) for the cost of the plane
― mh, Monday, 13 August 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
also his dad married his stepsister
it sucks when you have to sell off your emerald mine, but when you need a plane you need a plane
― Karl Malone, Monday, 13 August 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
I stand corrected, his dad's parents moved to south africa from canada
― mh, Monday, 13 August 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
this is the best & most otm she has ever come off during a rantspree
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 13 August 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
New board description.
Actually, no: new site description.
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Monday, 13 August 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
three people, picked to live in a house, to find out what happens when people stop being polite... and start getting real
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Monday, 13 August 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
You know, I've always had this sort of irrational dislike of Azaelia Banks. It figures that Grimes would start associating with idiots like that at this point.
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Monday, 13 August 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
"irrational"(?)
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Monday, 13 August 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
i wonder if musk has a chicken sacrifice room too
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Monday, 13 August 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
OK I had no idea he was South African. That really doesn't improve his likeability factor.
― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Monday, 13 August 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
he’s got a human sacrifice car manufacturing plant iirc xp
― a space stewardess (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link
a discussion a couple of people and I are having: what other musicians tanked this much credibility/goodwill, this quickly? (i.e., morrissey doesn't count, that was protracted)
answers so far: cee-lo green, ted nugent, the dixie chicks until 2016
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
(Azealia Banks herself also)
Did Ted Nugent ever really have credibility?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
2016: every celebrity you like will probably die2017: every celebrity you like is probably a rapist2018: forget it, they’re all assholes.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
feel like rehab is in the cards
― Karl Malone, Monday, 13 August 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link
Grimes eventually will totally restore her reputation for sure
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
She will leave Musk eventually and drop a great album eventually and it will be forgotten
(i.e., morrissey doesn't count, that was protracted)
almost four and a half years from Bengali In Platforms to Madstock! that's an entire career these days. or a really long break between splitting up and reforming.
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:23 (five years ago) link
Elon Musk will leave Grimes eventually and build a great mini submatine eventually and it will be forgotten
― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link
Of Grimes and Man.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 August 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
What did the Dixie Chicks do in 2016?
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
(I may have repressed it due to 2016 PTSD)
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
"Daddy Lessons"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link
(to be fair, there was some rehabilitation going on in the years beforehand, when lots of people started to feel retroactively ashamed that bush was their president)
a pokémon afficionado friend of mine has informed me that there is a pokémon called "Grimer" that evolves into one called "Muk"
so close
― mh, Monday, 13 August 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/pUeXcg80cO8I8/giphy.gif
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 August 2018 22:46 (five years ago) link
Azealia Banks KEEP GOING
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 August 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link
― Trϵϵship, Monday, August 13, 2018 4:21 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I said as much in May but things have really snowballed since then.
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 August 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link
Grimes, Banks, and Musk are all trending on Twitter at the mo
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Monday, 13 August 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link
🚨🚨🚨
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Monday, 13 August 2018 22:59 (five years ago) link
kinda upthread but as far as musicians whose stature has plummeted this quick, the recent Laetitia Sadier tweet discovery led to a pretty stark about face on here, tho obv not to this level.
xp lol if Drudge sirens were ever warranted, this is it!
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 August 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link
Sadier has recanted the Peterson tweet
― Number None, Monday, 13 August 2018 23:11 (five years ago) link
I know. I was still surprised at how upset many people were on here and elsewhere. I mean, I get it to a point. This Grimes thing though is absolutely wild - Azealia keep going keep going keep going!
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 August 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link
she kept going
https://www.businessinsider.com/azealia-banks-claims-to-be-at-elon-musks-house-as-he-sought-investors-2018-8
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 13 August 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
This is really unfortunate. Grimes’s music at its best is legitmately special and I hate to see her become a carnival sideshow.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
I hate to see her become a carnival sideshow.― Trϵϵship, Monday, August 13, 2018 7:29 PM (seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Trϵϵship, Monday, August 13, 2018 7:29 PM (seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/RiSzDwU47YxTRHm7m91BJaRrJKs=/0x0:1024x646/1520x1013/filters:focal(432x95:594x257):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/59788723/GENERAL-PRESS-SHOT-1024x767.0.0.jpg
http://read-static.tidal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/01115835/Grimes_1200.jpg
http://dazedimg.dazedgroup.netdna-cdn.com/1600/azure/dazed-prod/1070/4/1074203.jpg
https://www.fashiongonerogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Grimes-Nylon-Singapore-January-2016-Cover-Photoshoot04.jpg
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 August 2018 23:33 (five years ago) link
What are you getting at, Whiney? “A carnival sideshow” = a completely non-musical gossip distraction
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 August 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link
Whiney had those queued up; he had to use 'em somehow...
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Monday, 13 August 2018 23:40 (five years ago) link
I missed you Whiney. Hope all’s good with you
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 23:42 (five years ago) link
lmao perfect whiney post
― InfoWarriors (Spottie), Monday, 13 August 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link
Wait was azealia even at the house?
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
somehow it seems more implausible to me now than this afternoon
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
Has Grimes tweeted anything about this special-sounding weekend?
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:05 (five years ago) link
I don’t think so
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:16 (five years ago) link
I want someone to make a poorly drawn comic about grimes and elon having a really dumb lsd trip upstairs as azealia texts them from a guest room on the other side of the mansion
― mh, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:17 (five years ago) link
grimes hasn’t tweeted since the 2nd so she could be on day 13 tripping!
― mh, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
lol day 11, brain fart
Business Insider has a secondary source that confirmed Banks was at Musk’s house over the weekend. I guess Musk and Grimes were there too but too distracted to pay attention to her/work on music? Makes more sense than her chilling fully by herself in a stranger’s house.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:25 (five years ago) link
Nothing about any of these people makes sense
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:37 (five years ago) link
One thing I try to remember is that it turned out Bankd eas telling the truth more or else in the Russell Crowe incident, even though no one really believed her at first.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:41 (five years ago) link
yeah I just saw something on that, how terrible the whole thing was covered like she was crazy than RZA admitted Crowe spit on her and it got no press! or at least I never saw it after the initial uproar
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:46 (five years ago) link
Yep
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:47 (five years ago) link
Super fucked up.
I cant tell ilx from reality anymore tbrr
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:51 (five years ago) link
you mean realiti
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:55 (five years ago) link
CrapMissed oppoHanging my head in shame😔
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:55 (five years ago) link
grimes and missed dumb zingers
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:00 (five years ago) link
What r u the zingmaster
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link
I hate Elon Musk but I also fucking hate Azealia tweets and they’re 99% troll bullshit so I don’t find any joy in her attacking Musk, usually I wouldn’t give a fuck to see them tear at each other throats but I legit loved Grimes and I’m not liking her as part of this circle of terrible people.
Not very excited about what she’s up to creatively at this point... hopefully she shuts my mouth and makes another great album but it’s not a good look so far.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
imagine coming down from a trip and you're in a room with a tripping elon musk. no wonder she keeps tripping
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link
when I get up, this is what I seewelcome to realiti
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
Being a total cokehead with your bf Elon Musk sounds awful as a life but not necessarily bad for creative purposes
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:32 (five years ago) link
No it's the other way around
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:50 (five years ago) link
i've been obsessed with this song lately. this is a great performance of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KMAyUYJf1k
Thanks for posting that, flappy. Visions is a record that means a lot to me.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:53 (five years ago) link
wait Grimes is a musician?
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:57 (five years ago) link
me too, treeship. glad to see you back : )
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 04:01 (five years ago) link
yeah, that performance rules! 2013, approximately 400 years ago
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 04:17 (five years ago) link
2012, i meant. (600 years ago)
time we start a collection of grimes nerds talking abt her music:
mydra xiarys2 years agothis is the sound of my soul thank you claire for singing it gently the way you do
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― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 04:22 (five years ago) link
Don QuixitoDon Quixito8 months agoI fall in love the only love I'm capable anymore allow basic personality shifts and my memory loss to set in as the overshadowing there in nothing more important then Grimes...then let's see what this body does......am I a soul a body one of what ever house and thus morals and personalitys arising from those house no I am a mix of environment and action...and I will love Grimes....Show less
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 04:24 (five years ago) link
Show less
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 06:05 (five years ago) link
Despite azaleias tweets I love her music
― Abomination Street (Ross), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 09:37 (five years ago) link
despite her music i love azealia's tweets
― a space stewardess (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 09:38 (five years ago) link
― Abomination Street (Ross), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 09:40 (five years ago) link
azealia's one of those people where she probably has witnessed some really off-the-wall shit but you can never tell because everything gets played up to a really high level
― mh, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
i don't care about any of this. visions rules 4ever
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link
what can i say though it is all kind of a bummer
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
Have we talked about how she has a guest spot on Mindless Self Indulgence guy's upcoming solo record?
https://mindlessselfindulgence.bandcamp.com/album/euringer
― how's life, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
mindless self-indulgence, not to be confused with tesla
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
good old Jimmy Urine
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
the record is one long song/musical/concerto, as if an underground movie was made for your ears. “I wanted it to sound as if Depeche Mode hired J. Dilla and DJ Premier to drop loops while Frank Zappa produced, and then I came in and shit all over it,“ said Jimmy.
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link
Never trust any artist who namechecks Frank Zappa.
― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
Every grimes song has been good. Idk abt this guy
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.)
I like Zappa but this is OTM ime.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
ha yeah i've come to peace w/the "right zappa" albums but refuse to call myself a fan
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
think Cardiacs have cited Zappa as an influence but I really can't see how given the former are literally my entire life and Zappa comes off as a rebarbative asshole in all of his recordings (this joke writes itself doesn't it)
― imago, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
The album features appearances from Gerard Way, Serj Tankian and Grimes.
― mh, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link
third places ain't that bad
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
The only thing I know about Mindless Self Indulgence is this Pokemon video from the early 00s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D85duFrcw7o
― how's life, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link
lol that's how I first heard msi
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
they remixed kill v. maim a few years ago too
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
anyway I still love frankenstein girls will seem strangely sexy, I'm not proud
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
Azealia Banks lives the wildest life I swear like lmao pic.twitter.com/Er61Zbl43F— Rashida (@fuckrashida) August 18, 2018
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 19 August 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
they really made a mistake getting into it with someone who dgaf and will never quit
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 19 August 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
It’s kind of disgusting tho I mean azealia banks is an unreliable narrator and has historically shown she’s kind of awful, there could be zero beef from the other side and she just went off for reasons that aren’t real. And now that Grimes has done a few uncool things people are comfortable using AB to bash her idk.
― omar little, Sunday, 19 August 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
Yeah I regret reading those messages a few posts up if she didn’t want them shared, oh wells
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Sunday, 19 August 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
Uhhhh.... not sure I wanted to read that
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
Ummm wtf
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
She didn’t say anything newsworthy. Invasion of privacy for no reason
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
I really hate the whole twitter/social media thing where people’s private feuds become news
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
Damn
― flappy bird, Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
xp are u saying M***’s d*** s*** is not super duper newsworthy??
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
Options here
1. Faked by AB (seems pretty unlikely)2. Grimes thought she could trust AB with this stuff (more likely, her judgement on some other things seems to have been less than perfect recently)3. This is all some sort of ploy by Elon to make everyone think he has a big dick (sounds unlikely, but then again...)
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
If this whole thing has been elaborately staged for purposes of (3), the guy really is a Stark-level genius
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
The Russians are going to murder Elton because of his large penis, that is at least a little newsworthy
― jeremy cmbyn (wins), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
Big if true
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
This is definitely a shitty move on banks‘s part tho for real, also not sure what points she thinks she’s scoring, grimes doesn’t say anything bad or even particularly interesting in those tweetsLike his parents are South African, thanks we know. He has an enormous dick, well obviously that’s how thousands of weirdos can be on it at all times
― jeremy cmbyn (wins), Sunday, 19 August 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
In those messages, I mean, not tweets obv
― jeremy cmbyn (wins), Sunday, 19 August 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
I think banks just wants to stay part of this exciting tesla news cycle.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 19 August 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
And she’s annoyed that no recordings came out of the trip to LA
It’s kind of disgusting tho I mean azealia banks is an unreliable narrator and has historically shown she’s kind of awful
Let's not forget, though, that eventually we found out she was telling the truth about Russell Crowe
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/18/rza-russell-crowe-spat-at-azealia-banks-interview
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Sunday, 19 August 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
It’s true. It’s insane there hasn’t been more damage to crowe’s rep after spitting at a young woman
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 19 August 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
Based on that it looks like she was...embellishing.
Believe me I know what kind of asshole Crowe is, he was a total piece of shit to someone I know.
― omar little, Sunday, 19 August 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link
The spitting was reluctantly confirmes by rza and seems one of the worst parts of the story
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 19 August 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
There’s nothing in that piece that suggests she was telling the total truth about what occurred, as much as I’m willing to believe it’s possible for a major Oscar-winning Australian actor to be a complete racist piece of shit.
― omar little, Sunday, 19 August 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
was her song with loona/yyxy ever posted above? from way back in the ancient time of may 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIWpr3tHzII
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 23 August 2018 03:44 (five years ago) link
her only contribution ended up being the intro lol
― ufo, Thursday, 23 August 2018 03:51 (five years ago) link
as much as I’m willing to believe it’s possible for a major Oscar-winning Australian actor to be a complete racist piece of shit.
late to this, but FP'd you for racism
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
Isn't Rusty a Kiwi?
― badg, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
Comment doesn't work if he is also everyone knows Australians are more racist than Kiwis.
― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link
yes, he is
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
and Mel Gibson is American
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
rusty self-identifies as an aussie
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
Mel self-identifies as a Nazi.
― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
look we all know Mel saved Australia from Lord Humungous
― omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
he owns 37% of a rugby team but has never applied for a permanent residency OR defeated a post-apocalyptic motorcycle warlord
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEUAGWEbco0
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 23 August 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/gallery/rcrowe/rcrowe6.jpg
https://www.audioculture.co.nz/content/images/5058/hero_thumb_russ12.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z4CZH-rMKY
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 22:44 (five years ago) link
Grimes to Appear on New Bring Me the Horizon Song
can't wait for Grimes to appear on a new Grimes song
― flappy bird, Monday, 22 October 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link
Don't care about Elon Musk stuff but she released barely more than a dozen songs in the past 5 years, hasn't toured for ages. Unfortunate, but she is apparently a spent force.
― everything, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 04:03 (five years ago) link
She deleted almost all of her instagram today.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 04:24 (five years ago) link
That's a great first step.
― Cousin Slappy, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 07:17 (five years ago) link
if she releases something at the end of this year (not impossible) or early next it'd still just be the normal ~3 year album cycle. the main reason it feels like longer is because she did promise new music earlier but that obviously fell through
― ufo, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 07:21 (five years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=k8XVZ65JEB0
barfff
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link
Yeah, that's pretty bad.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
i like it
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
I guess her ending up on a crow ost tip is maybe the least surprising thing
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
i like the Lakani's Juice/freak*on*ica vibe
― omar little, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
I want a new grimes album
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
i'm into nu-metal poppy
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
Yeah i like this
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 22:44 (five years ago) link
This song reminds me of Scream (my least favorite track on Art Angels) redone as a mashup with Realti,
― enochroot, Thursday, 1 November 2018 14:24 (five years ago) link
Accurate youtube comment:
Producer: "so what genre should we go for with this new project?"Poppy: "yes"
― Tim F, Thursday, 1 November 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqphcd6g35f
― omar little, Monday, 26 November 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
Saw that this morning on Instagram. It reminded me to unfollow her.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 26 November 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
jesus this human again
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 26 November 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
new song or song fragment I wonder?
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 November 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
her webstore is back up with new swag so i wonder if it's a new album...
― omar little, Monday, 26 November 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
apparently it's a single, "We Appreciate Power" ft. Hana
― ufo, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:19 (five years ago) link
ooh la la
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 02:50 (five years ago) link
Apparently new album dropping in a few days?
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 23:24 (five years ago) link
I hope so.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 12:50 (five years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqtAB8nA4zZ
and here's the confirmation for the "we appreciate power" single
― ufo, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 12:53 (five years ago) link
Nice
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 13:33 (five years ago) link
Male gazey goodness!
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
it's true that i love power
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
solarcity's back, baby
― mh, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
i hear elon's rap on this is str8 fire
― sign up for my waterless urinals webinar (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
I don’t care what any of yall say, i’m excited.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
Also it’s not cool to call an image she released herself “male gazey.”
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:34 (five years ago) link
Yeah I don't get that
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
Cousin Slappy’s path w/r/t Grimes is a strange and difficult one.
― omar little, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
I don't get that vibe from that particular image, but "she's a female artist so it can't invite/invoke the male gaze" seems like s dubious argument
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
I'm just responding to the specific image.
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
I just think it’s weird to criticize her for “inviting the male gaze.” She would anyway as a young woman, first of all, even if she explicitly tried not to; secondly, it doesn’t seem like she is invoking any problematic/sexist tropes in this image.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
Inviting the Elon gaze.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
i'll be back on board if this actually turns out to be her nu-metal pivot
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
whatever her flaws I've certainly never thought of her as an artist who panders to a trad "male" audience in any way
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
For sure
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
Boobs and butt for everyone! Lesbians can gaze as well.
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
Lovely
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
fp’d you obviously
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
lmao at this comment on the gram
Sort of disturbed to find this rhetoric enter into the style. It is naive to consider that the robot overlords aren’t controlled by the same powers that we should be resisting. Appreciate power in the small places please.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
Lol. If grimes is truly pro AI takeover than it looks like my politics might diverge from hers. Still stoked for the album.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
Just clicked thru to the photographer's feed; there is some legit "boobs and butt" happening over there (moreso than I thought was even permitted on Insta!)
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link
Why would you take offense to that? I don't know you at all. If you're queer as well, my bad.
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
Who are you addressing?
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
Nevermind. Grimes has nice boots.
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine Grimes's left boot in the extreme foreground of an Instagram post -- forever."
― plant a twee or die (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
That said, I hope Grimes isn't dissected into oblivion by fans and critics alike. She's so damn likable, but even better than that she has interesting songs and you can actually dance to some of them. The ideas behind them are what stick out for me.― Cousin Slappy, Friday, March 16, 2012 11:34 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, March 16, 2012 11:34 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes. Guard your manic pixie/gnat.― Cousin Slappy, Monday, March 9, 2015 8:32 PM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, March 9, 2015 8:32 PM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
She's a 30yo, grown woman. She is well past the point of needing help being a shitty person. Why not just go full misogny and say she's been dickmatized?― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:00 AM (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:00 AM (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Boobs and butt for everyone! Lesbians can gaze as well.― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:03 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:03 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://latintrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/drdrew.jpg
― omar little, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
I'll probably listen to a new album and really enjoy it
― mh, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link
here's the single
https://vimeo.com/303323077
― Number None, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
wow brad you were sorta right
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
this is great :/
― petey v, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
ugh god it sucks this artist keeps making interesting music that i like fuck
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link
love it
― omar little, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:08 (five years ago) link
it's really good and so was her single with Poppy a month or so ago
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:18 (five years ago) link
the thing about grimes is, she is a brilliant artist, even if she dates weird billionaire dudes or violates cousin slappy's code for modesty
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:19 (five years ago) link
this song makes me think ... she should do an album with devin townsend
― Spottie, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:24 (five years ago) link
^^^^ exactly what i wanted to fuckin hear
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 November 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
this rules, great to have her back
― ufo, Thursday, 29 November 2018 00:43 (five years ago) link
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:55 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
back on board!!!
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 November 2018 00:59 (five years ago) link
is this grebo
― adam, Thursday, 29 November 2018 02:27 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYG_4vJ4qNA
and here's the video
― ufo, Thursday, 29 November 2018 05:30 (five years ago) link
Great single. Her vocals in the chorus remind me of Ladytron so much.
I know this has been a brilliant year for albums already and I'm just being greedy, but I'm really hoping the album will come in the next few weeks.
― kitchen person, Thursday, 29 November 2018 05:37 (five years ago) link
This is a very strange song
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 29 November 2018 05:45 (five years ago) link
lmao this might be the first Grimes song I actually like, can't tell if she's doing an earnest tech-fascism or an irony tho
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 November 2018 06:43 (five years ago) link
“We Appreciate Power” is written from the perspective of a Pro-A.I. Girl Group Propaganda machine who use song, dance, sex and fashion to spread goodwill towards Artificial Intelligence (it’s coming whether you want it or not). Simply by listening to this song, the future General AI overlords will see that you’ve supported their message and be less likely to delete your offspring.
so it's in character but i wouldn't say it's meant to be ironic
― ufo, Thursday, 29 November 2018 06:47 (five years ago) link
but like, of course she'd write a song about roko's basilisk lol
this wasn't in the pre-covers right?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 29 November 2018 06:53 (five years ago) link
ugh she knows how to get a simple hook stuck in your head
compares well to previous illuminaticore heelturns
something grotesque about it of course but there always was, cf grimes as cool-kid commodifier of soft weirdness
― imago, Thursday, 29 November 2018 06:56 (five years ago) link
yeah it wasn't on the album tracklist she posted earlier in the year. some demos from that did leak today though
― ufo, Thursday, 29 November 2018 07:03 (five years ago) link
This is much more to my liking than anything on Art Angels. Cautiously optimistic.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 29 November 2018 09:40 (five years ago) link
I haven't heard the song yet but this is a legit contender for creepiest ILM thread.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 November 2018 09:48 (five years ago) link
Agreed. It reads like a more sophisticated instantiation of 'why because she look interesting'.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 29 November 2018 09:55 (five years ago) link
Song rules.
― triggercut, Thursday, 29 November 2018 09:57 (five years ago) link
that is a hilarious song
obv satire
― niels, Thursday, 29 November 2018 10:03 (five years ago) link
this is like a really chill Fear Factory ballad.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 29 November 2018 11:19 (five years ago) link
I wonder if the whole album will be about AI
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 29 November 2018 12:08 (five years ago) link
I also wonder if she believes AI is a true threat.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 29 November 2018 12:10 (five years ago) link
Is this somehow going to tie in with Dirty Computer?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:11 (five years ago) link
Idk what that is.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:17 (five years ago) link
It's a concept album by Janelle Monae that came out earlier this year and featured a Grimes guest spot.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:22 (five years ago) link
Oh. My gut tells me no. A new Grimes album is a big event, I don’t think she’s make it a tie in to someone else’a project.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link
Sci fi concept album seems like a really different lyrical direction. Art Angels would draw on some sci fi/magical realist imagery—especially kill v maim—but the narrative was fragmentary
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link
This ine carries the concept through differently. It really is from the perspective of a girl group trying to propagandize for AI takeover
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link
this is like a really chill Fear Factory ballad.― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 29 November 2018 11:19 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 29 November 2018 11:19 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Haha yes!
I've got to say I was a big fan or ArtAngels but I really don't like this track.
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link
or of
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:54 (five years ago) link
I think I like Play Destroy more
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:56 (five years ago) link
fuck yeah this song
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 November 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link
a minute too long though
definitely too long, especially because it's super silly
― rob, Thursday, 29 November 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link
― adam, Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:27 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
adam's on to something
― mh, Thursday, 29 November 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
This reminds me of industrial nu metal bands like Powerman 5000 or Rob Zombie but with a bridge in her style. I don’t know if I want the whole album to sound like this since I was never a fan of those genres and I suspect it wont but I’m on board.
That bridge though
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 29 November 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
Powerman 5000… now there's a name I didn't expect to ever see again. While we're at it, I'd add Orgy to the list.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 29 November 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link
I agree it should shave at least a minute off of it. It doesn’t have enough variation like say kill v maim to justify 6 minutes, the main hook probably repeats in like 70% of the song.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 29 November 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
Yeah I was also thinking Rob Zombie, or perhaps Stabbing Westward. But on the other hand, I've also heard some people mention Metric, and I can hear that as well.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
That's all I've been trying to say. But I'm the weird one...
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
she does kinda look like britney's intersting sister when u think about it tho
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
It's good but (like others have said) brings back bad memories of post-NIN industrial radio rock (Gravity Kills, Filter, Stabbing Westward).
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
Yeah the bridge is the only part I like. The rest is just meh to me.
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
Need to give it a few more listens. So far I like some of the parts but they feel kind of slapped together.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
i'm really digging the aesthetic here, but yeah too long and maybe a little plodding? feels like it's building to something that never comes. kept hoping/expecting it to explode but it just kinda repeats itself.
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
looking forward to her Sesame Street collab with Cookie Monster, "We Appreciate Flour"
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
fascist art with a hook.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
lol i love this
― devvvine, Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
I have never understood the "lyrics don't matter" crowd until this moment, because this rules if I ignore every lyric
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
definitely in the metric/republica/stand alone complex ost space, so of course I was going to like it, except it has lyrics too
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
You don’t like the sci-fi/AI concept?
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
“You’re not even alive / if you’re not backed up on a drive” was, i think, great as an eerie parody of those eerie singularity advocates
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
my god if this was some goth metal band you all would be clowning the shit out of this
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
no i wouldn't!
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
yeah i'd dig this if idk epica or nightwish or therion or within temptation came out with it. it wouldn't be anything like their other stuff tho imo.
― Mordy, Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
don't worry ums, I realize this is a Grimes song through and through and I still want to clown the shit out of this
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
Nah we just wouldn't be talking about it.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:23 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
So does this count as Grimes's "getting back to our roots" record?
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:45 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i do believe brad
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
do you believe me though
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
Brad/Murgatroid 2020 - A Team You Can Trust
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
this is bad. i will never be ready for 1998 to come back.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 29 November 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, November 29, 2018 2:35 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'd actually probably like it more because then I wouldn't have to think about elon musk
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 November 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link
inspired by the north korean band, moranbong, and also by my boyfriend, bong moron
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 November 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Thursday, 29 November 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
Good takedown
― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 29 November 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
my first thought when i heard it was 'oh this is her doing a NIN song, cool i love NIN'
― ufo, Thursday, 29 November 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
listened to this whole busting unions last night, great soundtrack!
― flopson, Thursday, 29 November 2018 21:50 (five years ago) link
This sounds like the kind of music I would rebel against in high school.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 29 November 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
a day later this still unfortunately rules, minus the lyrics, minus the tepid acoustic-radio-pop interludes ("Play Destroy" had this issue as well) plus the moment I started hearing "there's a place in France"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
"Unfortunately, this rules" is my pop music sentiment
― fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 30 November 2018 14:54 (five years ago) link
*favourite pop music sentiment, that is
Still not used to the fact that when you look it up on YT, the subsequent result is fantano's 7 minute review, posted 19h ago.
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
{SCREAMS}
― devvvine, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
You're not clicking the "Not Interested" button enough.
― MarkoP, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
Hard work, that.
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
I don't care who she's fucking and I don't trust anyone who does and this track rules.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link
to be fair I think it's less about "who she's fucking" and more about potential fascist over/undertones (although no more, really, than NIN)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link
Grimes: I have an idea for a songStudio guy: go onGrimes: cyber Eugenics...Studio guy: yea yea spit it outGrimes: cyber eugenics would be cool?Studio guy: ok i have Guitar_chug1.wav loaded in just punch in the vocals— 🔣🆖🔢🆖 (@dei_genetrix) November 30, 2018
― imago, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link
― Number None, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
Are we really not doing irony anymore?
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
There's space in this world for quality shade, especially when coming from someone else who makes Canadian industrial pop
― imago, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
this song rules
― nxd, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
it's a pretty shitty joke given how vocal she has been about producing all her own stuff
― Number None, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
Evidently not.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
potential fascist over/undertones
― Mordy, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
oh come on, I thought it was funny. I don't even hate the song!
― imago, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
I don't know what's so objectionable about that comment given that I have seen multiple people make variations on it upthread that have gone unremarked upon
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
I don’t think the “fascist overtones” are that problematic. It’s a sci fi fantasy.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
oh don't worry it's not any more ridiculous than many of the comments in this thread
― Mordy, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
like, my computer might actually die if I load this entire thread (and grimes won't want that!) but within the buffer there's
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
my post was really to point to other objections that have been raised and I really don't understand why I'm the one taking shit for it
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
and obviously it's playing with her i-produce-everything claims in a spiteful way that's (part of) the joke ugh
I'm just trying to get you all to listen to Black Dresses - badly, it seems
― imago, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
I also disagree with caek
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
so obvious it took until now for you to come up with that rationalisation
― Number None, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
just fuck off
― imago, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
I wasn't specifically targeting anyone with my question fwiw.
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
*takes his ball and goes home*
― Number None, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
Let’s all be cool and not ruin this thread’s reputation for chill times
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
lol — this thread is just bonkers.
― very legal & very cool (morrisp), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
fascists don't just come out and say "we appreciate power." it's fascist like starship troopers is fascist. in fact the whole formulation is pretty hilarious we "appreciate" power - who talks like that? ppl hunger for power, fight for it, but they rarely appreciate it. in this case it's bc it's an acquiescence, an attempt to get along with those who want power. don't mind me i also appreciate power. or if it is sincere it is stating the lust for power in a superficial casual way. "appreciation" is not a fascist word. it's making a mockery of the desire to accumulate power. either way the song has a relationship to fascism but it's obviously not a fascist song. no fascist is going to listen to it and feel represented or moved.
― Mordy, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link
i wouldnt say nin were ever lyrically techno-fascist or anything like that?
grimes is just a nerd who thinks roko's basilisk is a cool concept or whatever instead of a ridiculously silly thing just like her recent tweets about how cool it will be when everyone has chips in their brain to control their behaviour etc which is bad vibes even if shes just a nerd messing around with sci-fi tropes. i don't get the feeling shes sincerely i much prefer her in any other lyrical mode, even kill v maim which was supposed to be from the perspective of a time-travelling vampire mobster? idk
― ufo, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
anyway i hope the album is on its way soon so theres something better to discuss in this thread
― ufo, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
fascists don't just come out and say "we appreciate power." <--- honestly not sure this is true anymore
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
What if it's a concept album?
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
xp they definitely don't say "we appreciate power." maybe "we love power." but appreciate it such a weird word to apply to power.
― Mordy, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
I assumed the "we appreciate power" part was where grimes was trying to emulate moranbong -- their songs translate to stuff like "we call him father"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
(wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be an actual repurposed lyric but I'm not going to google this at work)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
Nah, I think Mordy's right, 'appreciate' is too soft-hued for today's alt-right. If anything, they've made a point of 'rehabilitating' more obvious fascist signifiers. 'Appreciation' doesn't even make the dog-whistle cut.
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
the "no fascist is going to listen to it and feel represented" part at least is true -- they have their own musical taste and artists, the year in kanye didn't get them to listen to kanye
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
soft hues are helpful when you're cloaking your sentiment, though? (not accusing grimes of anything here, just pondering alt-right language patterns)
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
Apparently the 4ÆM demo has leaked and it sounds good and has a drastically different style from “we appreciate power”, is this the first time she uses a drum n bass beat?... the production sounds really good so wouldn’t be surprised if the album version is practically the same as this demo.
http://grimeslife.tumblr.com/post/180622337146/grimes-4æm-demo
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
I think this song fails insofar as it relies upon its audience being familiar with the concept of Roko's Basilisk for the joke to land
"We Appreciate Power" is the same joke as "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords"
― fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
maybe, maybe not -- being familiar with the concept probably has an equal chance of making the lyrics seem "oh god, this again" (source: me)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
yeah that was my reaction too katherine
― ufo, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:17 (five years ago) link
Sure, but it seems to me that even in their most underhanded uses of language, they tend to steer clear of potentially 'feminine' words such as this one, unless they need a) neutral filler for purposes of diplomacy or b) to demean the object of 'appreciation' (Trump 'appreciated' McCain, for instance).
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
I agree that Roko's basilisk is boring af, as is the trolley problem and the thankfully mostly defunct brain-in-a-vat thought experiment.
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
WTF is Roko basilisk
― flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
Courtesy of the somewhat insufferable Rational Wiki: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk
Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment about the potential risks involved in developing artificial intelligence. The premise is that an all-powerful artificial intelligence from the future could retroactively punish those who did not help bring about its existence, including those who merely knew about the possible development of such a being. It resembles a futurist version of Pascal's wager, in that it suggests people should weigh possible punishment versus reward and as a result accept particular singularitarian ideas or financially support their development. It is named after the member of the rationalist community LessWrong who first publicly described it, though he did not originate it or the underlying ideas.
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
ooh good this shitty song comes with homework to boot
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
Rokos basilisk is a thought trap for aspie programming bros and it’s hilarious
― Mordy, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
Think about it tho.
― pomenitul, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
such b.s.
― very legal & very cool (morrisp), Friday, 30 November 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link
Roko's basilisk-isk-isk-isk-isk-iskRoko's basilisk-isk-isk-isk-isk-iskRoko's basilisk-isk-isk-isk-isk-iskRoko's basilisk!
― emil.y, Friday, 30 November 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link
I think the kindest thing I can say about this song is it sounds like something they'd use to introduce a new villain on the powerpuff girls
― rob, Friday, 30 November 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
song needs a larry david drop with "do you appreciate power?"
― Death comes sweeping through the hallway. Thank you, Death. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 November 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
i...do not like this
― gbx, Friday, 30 November 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
actually, my references upthread were off; what this really reminds me is the lucy nation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM_hkAKujXU
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
thanks gbx, we appreciate pooh-poohers
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Friday, 30 November 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
i'm just a little disappointed! really like a lot of her other stuff, this ticks a lot stylistic references (late-90s stuff mentioned upthread) that i didn't like then and am not thrilled to see return. that's ok!
― gbx, Friday, 30 November 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
p4k: We Appreciate Power May Be Grimes' Most Divisive Song Yet
def not, that's still "Go"
― flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
Did people like "Go"?
― MarkoP, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
i'm loving this song, it's a good earworm. also being a fan of POP-era U2, it gives me "Mofo" vibes. ymmv considerably as to whether or not you find that a compliment.
― omar little, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
I took "appreciate" to be used in the sense of appreciating a fine wine -- Grimes is saying "We appreciate power (in a way you stupid masses never could)." It's about the fascist mindset where power is desired as an end in itself, something to be savored, something that the fascist deserves because only the fascist can appreciate it and properly wield it. Kind of an Italian Futurist style of fascism (and this song does fit with their lust for technological development too).
Given that Grimes recently went through a lot of public scrutiny for dating a technofascist billionaire, I don't think the song is satire. I think she's making a conscious heel turn to embrace the darkness.
― OneSecondBefore, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
yea it's def a heelturn, and tbh? i'm here for it
― flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
While a technofascist weirdo pop-star singing about AI is about the most 2018 thing I can think of, I find it pretty repulsive myself.
― OneSecondBefore, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link
if it IS a genuine heelturn then I...don't like that? I'm only marginally more OK with fashy tech fetishists than I am with NSBM types
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
Come on, you're not even aliveIf you're not backed up, backed up on a drive
it's super twisted that she really sincerely believes this but there it is, in her own words
― omar little, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
sincerity really is scary
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
this doesn't sound enough like fear factory
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
doesn’t doomsday science fiction about AI predate the online rationalist community by like a century?
― flopson, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
sad that grimes has succumbed to irony poisoning
― ogmor, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
I'd prefer irony poisoning to sincerity in this case
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
there's only one band in the world for whom this is not the case, tbf
― crispy fun in a bun (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
https://theoutline.com/post/6717/grimes-we-appreciate-power-review-elon-musk?zd=1&zi=c32c35rx
― flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
Poppy Breaks Down New Album 'Am I A Girl?' And Says She Was 'Bullied' By Grimes
She also worked with Grimes on “Play Destroy,” which she says is one of her favorite songs on the record despite a behind-the-scenes process she “could have gone without.”“I was kind of bullied into submission by Grimes and her team of self-proclaimed feminists,” she says. “We planned the song coming out months ago, and she was preventing it. I got to watch her bully songwriters into signing NDAs and not taking credit for songs that they were a part of. She doesn't practice what she preaches. It's really upsetting to work with a female that is very outward about a topic, but behind closed doors, it's the complete opposite. It's actually very disheartening to people that are actually feminists and supporters of other females.” (Billboard reached out to Grimes’ representatives for comment.)
“I was kind of bullied into submission by Grimes and her team of self-proclaimed feminists,” she says. “We planned the song coming out months ago, and she was preventing it. I got to watch her bully songwriters into signing NDAs and not taking credit for songs that they were a part of. She doesn't practice what she preaches. It's really upsetting to work with a female that is very outward about a topic, but behind closed doors, it's the complete opposite. It's actually very disheartening to people that are actually feminists and supporters of other females.” (Billboard reached out to Grimes’ representatives for comment.)
― flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
ok, poppy
― fascist gwar grimes (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
"I was kind of bullied into submission by Grimes and her team of self-proclaimed feminists"
Iconic sentence of 2018
― very legal & very cool (morrisp), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
fwiw grimes also followed mars argo recently
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
(background on that, which is a whole thing, and I'm not sure what to make of it besides the fact that virtually every dude involved in this either is or seems terrible https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/16/17346050/poppy-lawsuit-mars-argo-titanic-sinclair-youtube-explained)
Here’s a brief lesson in how context works.
*closes tab*
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link
― fascist gwar grimes (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
LOL
― Cousin Slappy, Saturday, 1 December 2018 02:02 (five years ago) link
wow way to disregard context brad!!!
― resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 1 December 2018 02:08 (five years ago) link
when we're slidin' into first and we're feelin' something burstwe appreciate power
― geoffreyess, Sunday, 2 December 2018 15:09 (five years ago) link
haha!
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
Aaaaahhaa
― Spottie, Sunday, 2 December 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/na7v8Mc.png
― Frozen CD, Sunday, 2 December 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link
Remember when Grimes made music, not drama?
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 2 December 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
Drama is way more lucrative
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
The information that we get about all these feuds are always so fragmentary. It’s impossible to figure out what actually happened.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
Like what is the “disgusting situation” Poppy drew her into?
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:19 (five years ago) link
And what does it have to do with Grimes allegedly abusing NDA’s to deny credits to Poppy’s creative partners? Why would Grimes even do that for a track that was collaborative? Every single thing with Grimes is like this. Never clear.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link
And who was the “team of self proclaimed feminists”? Like a feminsit lawyer squad that Grimes has that behind the scenes try to discredit female artists? I didn’t know Grimes had one of these. And why doesn’t Poppy herself mention the artists she wanted to get credited?
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
People are going to take sides but no one even knows what the point of disagreement is.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
That's called covering your own ass, no matter the cost. Rule #1 in the So You've Decided To Be a Neo-fascist phamplet.
― Cousin Slappy, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
See I don’t think there is a “fascist” plot behind this.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
That seems weird and ridiculous.
Treesh r u still watching gilmore girls
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
You're taking all of this waaaay too seriously.
― Cousin Slappy, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
I can take stuff as seriously as I want, this is ILM
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
I just think a lot of discourse around Grimes circles around a void of unknowability.
Thought she was addressing George H.W. Bush in that note for a minute and was very confused
― flappy bird, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
Yeah she dated george hw before elon
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
Oh word
― flappy bird, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
I mean, everyone's free to make a fool of themselves in public. This is ILM.
― Cousin Slappy, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
Says the animaniac character
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:06 (five years ago) link
Whoa..you got me there! Har.
― Cousin Slappy, Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
Why weren’t you threadbanned for your misogyny upthread
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
Say what you really mean, which is why wasn't I banned because you couldn't think of a clever response. I'll gladly ban myself from this circle jerk of creepy creeps.
― Cousin Slappy, Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKAJs8waYd4
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, December 2, 2018 8:42 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
every musician has drama, and tbh no one really knows what’s up (like did Sinatra kill JFK over a mob beef, maybe sure but who knows) and a lot of this Grimes drama has been at least publicly initiated by others.
― omar little, Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
I just think a lot of discourse circles around a void of unknowability.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, December 2, 2018 12:44 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fixed
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link
yeah, i won't argue with that.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 2 December 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link
anyway the melody on the bridge is "give me all your luvin" (it's probably something else as well, that's just the one that was bugging me)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Sunday, 2 December 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link
The 2012 Madonna song?
― MarkoP, Sunday, 2 December 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, December 2, 2018 10:44 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
new board descrip etc
― gbx, Sunday, 2 December 2018 22:12 (five years ago) link
yeah, "backed up on a drive" vs. "dance our live away"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Sunday, 2 December 2018 22:44 (five years ago) link
would assume grimes is referring to all the drama surrounding poppy and titanic sinclair etc. so it's not hard to believe her here
― ufo, Monday, 3 December 2018 00:46 (five years ago) link
XP I thought Quincy Jones already spilled the beans on who killed JFK
― octobeard, Monday, 3 December 2018 08:57 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNMDaJcUKMs
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 15 December 2018 14:10 (five years ago) link
thought this highlighted the trenchant social commentariness of the song in a bad way
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 15 December 2018 14:11 (five years ago) link
Yeah the lyrics and dance are perhaps too forces but Hana was really good in this one. They both sound pretty good singing it, tbh.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 15 December 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
Perhaps too good. Was that lip sync?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 15 December 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
It wasn't lip synced but the live vocals are mostly buried under layers of prerecorded stuff and even the live guitar is super-low in the mix. Makes the performance toothless and boring. Whoever said this sounded like Reznor was otm. This would fit in well on the Fragile and I say that as a good thing.
― Fetchboy, Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
does that song remind anyone else of money money money? like the pre-chorus ‘in my dreams i have a plan’ bit?
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
a cross between that and ‘enter the ninja’ maybe?
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
oh no, now i’m hearing ‘la isla bonita’
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link
Tropical the island breezeAll of nature wild and freeWe appreciate powerWe appreciate power
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
Last night I dreamt of electric sheep
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
-oh
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
Somebody once told meThe world is gonna roll meWe appreciate powerWe appreciate power
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 15 December 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
merry xmas mfers! time for this legendary jam once again
― J. Sam, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 14:05 (five years ago) link
<3 the adore shirt
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link
https://www.businessinsider.com/court-grants-motion-subpoena-azealia-banks-grimes-preserve-information-tesla-case-2019-1
Grimes was dating Musk at the time he sent the tweet, and she recently accompanied the Tesla CEO on a trip to China. Banks has said she was staying at one of Musk's Los Angeles properties soon after he posted the tweet, and she told Business Insider she saw Musk "scrounging for investors" when she stayed at his house."Ms. Boucher and Ms. Banks were in close contact with Mr. Musk before and after the tweet and are believed to be in possession of relevant evidence concerning Mr. Musk's motives," Apton told Business Insider earlier in January.
"Ms. Boucher and Ms. Banks were in close contact with Mr. Musk before and after the tweet and are believed to be in possession of relevant evidence concerning Mr. Musk's motives," Apton told Business Insider earlier in January.
― enochroot, Thursday, 17 January 2019 15:32 (five years ago) link
ah man, what's ol' grimey got herself mixed up in
― mh, Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
I know people working for the plaintiffs' firm in that case and almost worked there. Missed probably my only chance to take Grimes's deposition I guess.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
Grimes: corporate criminal.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 17 January 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
Man, I hope this doesn't interrupt progress on her fantasy novel.
― peace, man, Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:17 (five years ago) link
Grimes: fantasy novelist, venture capitalist, corporate criminal.
I also heard she released an album of instrumental keyboard music several years back.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 17 January 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link
don't forget hentai aficionado
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 January 2019 22:00 (five years ago) link
whom amongst us
― mh, Friday, 18 January 2019 05:12 (five years ago) link
"atleast I'm not fat."
DENTAL PLAN!
Lisa needs braces!
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
jesus christ bad looks all around
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
"sweet narc dreams" is pretty good.
― peace, man, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:51 (five years ago) link
"brittleboned methhead" pretty good barb
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 January 2019 18:01 (five years ago) link
she's not responsible for stuff elon did with his businesses.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 21 January 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
She is responsible for gross fat-shaming tho
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Monday, 21 January 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
jeez I had to go to google to figure out wtf you guys are reacting to
grimes needs to get better at comebacks if that was her texting
― mh, Monday, 21 January 2019 21:31 (five years ago) link
yeah i just googled that as well. not a great look for grimes but also they're private messaging and they're super pissed at each other.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 21 January 2019 23:44 (five years ago) link
then she apologizes.
azealia apparently is taunting grimes saying her ex boyfriend wasn't attracted to her bc she is too skinny and then saying elon wants to get with her instead. bad behavior imo.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 21 January 2019 23:46 (five years ago) link
the thing is, there are so few good things in american mainstream culture now, but i really love grimes and i don't want that taken away from me
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 21 January 2019 23:51 (five years ago) link
i know she is canadian and more precisely from a separate black magick cybernetic dimension, but the point stands
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 21 January 2019 23:53 (five years ago) link
like this stuff is all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb_0LzBv894
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 21 January 2019 23:55 (five years ago) link
my opinions are principled and impartial
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 21 January 2019 23:56 (five years ago) link
grimes losing her cool and saying dumb things via private text to a bigoted lunatic troll is nbd to me.
― omar little, Monday, 21 January 2019 23:59 (five years ago) link
yeah, same. she should have never been involved with musk or banks in the first place but c'est la vie
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link
also looks like Banks “body-shames” her first, fwiw. (2 wrongs don’t make a right, etc.)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 00:09 (five years ago) link
umm, duh
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 00:19 (five years ago) link
banks is a complete loose cannon
the whole conversation was banks taunting grimes bc musk dumped her
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 00:20 (five years ago) link
(yeah I’m agreeing w/you)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 00:24 (five years ago) link
gotcha.
yeah it's super odd that banks would publish these texts as if they reflected well on her. unusual person.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 00:26 (five years ago) link
It’s specially funny considering this tweet months before:
grateful y'all r complimenting me 🖤🖤^_^ but i wanna suggest we decide here and now that grimes-verse has no room 4 the glorification of thinness and the suggestion that being fat (or any body type) isn't as cool/beautiful etc. thoughtsz?i distrust skinny as a metaphor for good— ༺GRIMES༻ (@Grimezsz) February 1, 2018
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 00:59 (five years ago) link
i think that's her real attitude. she apologizes to banks in the midst of the text exchange, while banks is still attacking her for being too skinny.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:01 (five years ago) link
idc abt beef but i cannot believe how lame these messages are
― ogmor, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:05 (five years ago) link
ohmyGOD
WHO GIVES A SHIT
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:06 (five years ago) link
xxp i think that loving and accepting jews is mel gibson's real attitude. i think that deference to african americans is michael richards's real attitude. they both said so after the fact! that's how you know it's real http://i64.tinypic.com/sb21s8.png
― (ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:06 (five years ago) link
what's important is that treesh has rationalized this to the point where he can still like grimes
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link
that's why we're all here
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link
Truth is she took the Azealia Banks bait when she should’ve known better.
Claire doesn’t give me a mean-spirited vibe in the way Banks or Musk do... hope she’s surrounded by less toxic people nowadays.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:12 (five years ago) link
Tbh I find her reaction pretty tame compared to the things Banks was writing to her.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:13 (five years ago) link
I don't care what artists say in private correspondence. or at all. just gimme the tunes, play the show. I don't need artists vetted on a morality test. is this a controversial opinion???? I truly don't give a shit
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:15 (five years ago) link
She is a war criminal
― buzza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:20 (five years ago) link
When in doubt, blame the black one. Sounds about white.
― Cousin Slappy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:45 (five years ago) link
bro, do you post on other threads?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:52 (five years ago) link
said with love
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:53 (five years ago) link
lol this has everything, the mental gymnastics, saying she was baited, the I don't care about anything but the tunes maaaanmusk, banks, grimes all seem like thoroughly awful pplshe'll keep getting worse and worse too I bet she'll do an alt right move soon
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:03 (five years ago) link
if that happens then i am actually in hell and someone is fucking with me
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:03 (five years ago) link
the next album is going to be awesome
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:13 (five years ago) link
Honestly it'll be amusing if she turns into Death in June for anime kids
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:41 (five years ago) link
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:42 (five years ago) link
maybe she'll go into canadian politics and "we appreciate power" will be her MAGA
She should do an ad for Hometown Buffet
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:51 (five years ago) link
musk, banks, grimes all seem like thoroughly awful ppl
why do you care w/r/t the music?
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 05:07 (five years ago) link
In this case, the awfulness specifically means that the music is not being completed and/or released. I mean, I would still mind Grimes acting like a fuckwit even if there was something to show for it, but so far all we have is a year of flakey paparazzi bullshit and one song that's pretty dumb.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 09:48 (five years ago) link
musk, banks, grimes all seem like thoroughly awful pplwhy do you care w/r/t the music?― flappy bird, Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:07 AM
why do you care w/r/t the music?― flappy bird, Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:07 AM
I've encountered some form of this comment a lot on ILX, so I'm sure this has been covered ad nauseum on here (there are probably a dozen threads about this topic), but I still don't get how people can keep the person and the music separate in their brains. For me, if I've already bonded with the music, I can still enjoy it for the most part (I still like hearing Runaway even after Kanye went all MAGA, and I still love Siamese Dream after Billy went on inforwars), but I really can't get into anything new I hear from those artists, and I'm a lot less inclined to make the effort. Sometimes this is done consciously ("fuck that guy"), but just as often, the brain is creating associations and biases without any higher-order direction.
I dearly love Visions, and really enjoyed Art Angels too, so I'm biased to give her new material a concerted effort. But reading stuff like that text exchange does make it more of an uphill battle. In this case, material that seemed to be beamed down from some ethereal higher plane now seems like it was just dreamed up by a catty high-school kid.
― enochroot, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link
She'll never be your beam girl.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 14:37 (five years ago) link
The notion that a shitty human being can create compelling art gives me hope for the future.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 14:37 (five years ago) link
idk elon musk is (or in relevance here, was) infinitely clownable but I'm not out here making sure my was assembled in a union plant, making sure my lithium batteries are responsibly sourced, etc. although I'd put demands on him that in actual business he tries to aim for those things
and I have no idea from those leaked texts if there's actual animosity or that is how azealia banks texts her *friends*
what is the actual impeachably shitty thing that claire boucher has done that we're cancelling her for
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 14:56 (five years ago) link
(fully expecting someone to post a horrible thing I've forgotten so I can recede into darkness)
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 14:57 (five years ago) link
This morality police stuff has gotten out of control.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link
There is no such thing as bad people, just bad actions.
imo if you do enough bad actions or have unquestionable bad motivations then you're bad
sorry, just how it works
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:07 (five years ago) link
you're neither sorry nor coherent
― ogmor, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:10 (five years ago) link
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
would grimes abort baby hitler?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
Yeah, Treesh you’re sort of overplaying yr hand, lol
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link
...and waitaminute, aren’t you the guy who was arguing that Jonathan Richman is like literally an incel stalker, b/c of the “Hospital” lyrics(??)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:30 (five years ago) link
People tend to make or not make these kind of judgments based on what music they could ultimately live without
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:01 (five years ago) link
I never made claims about richmann the guy, just hospital the song.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:06 (five years ago) link
tbf, Richman did make that “Songs for Laura” mixtape that always struck me as off
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
I like both these artists and am really glad I can't read
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
on the money...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
― gbx, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 01:32 (five years ago) link
i don't really want to hear anything more from banks or grimes until they both release their overdue albums
― ufo, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 01:35 (five years ago) link
grimes seems like a good person imo. what has she done that makes her seem “thoroughly awful” to you?
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 05:26 (five years ago) link
Don't mean to get anyone's hopes up with this bump, but just heard this unreleased song for the first time, v nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4CYRuJTfac
― flappy bird, Sunday, 10 March 2019 21:36 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00qF95f6qBs
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 March 2019 05:24 (five years ago) link
hum... it's not bad but not much happening within 4+min... so yeah, a demo...
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 14 March 2019 09:55 (five years ago) link
It's no REALiTi (demo), that's for sure.
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 14 March 2019 10:04 (five years ago) link
Is that some kind of vocal filter or is she just singing entirely through her nose?
― enochroot, Thursday, 14 March 2019 11:55 (five years ago) link
well, she's lost me with this and W.A.P.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 14 March 2019 12:32 (five years ago) link
she says in the description this was written & produced in 1-2 hours so i guess it's not bad for that but i'd much rather she finished the album instead of releasing throwaways like this
― ufo, Thursday, 14 March 2019 13:10 (five years ago) link
I liked 'We Appreciate Power' better than much of Art Angels but this is just bland.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 March 2019 13:11 (five years ago) link
"she says in the description this was written & produced in 1-2 hours"
always find this kinda stuff annoying. like "just a lil sketch i did in the bathroom not even trying rly lol". yeah, ok. thanks?
― circa1916, Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link
sheesh, I miss the days when people would just throw half-finished ideas and sketches on their myspace page or w/e and they'd either resurface years later as finished tracks or be one-off things some fan would remember down the line
― mh, Thursday, 14 March 2019 15:28 (five years ago) link
yeah me too. I love demos/sketches/work material - in addition to, you know, AN ACTUAL NEW ALBUM
― flappy bird, Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:19 (five years ago) link
She’s always been really bad at lip synching in her videos.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvNqgDcAMPK/
new album is titled 'Miss_Anthrop0cene' and is going to be mostly 'ethereal nu-metal' in line with WAP unfortunately but she says she might release some more synth-based songs that didn't fit on the album before it's out
― ufo, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 03:22 (five years ago) link
excellent news
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 03:36 (five years ago) link
1. mis·an·thropenoun: a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society. 2. Anthropocene: The Anthropocene is a proposed epoch dating from the commencement of significant human impact on the Earth’s Geology and ecosystems including, but not limited to, anthropogenic climate change. ————————————
oh nice, i didn't get the pun until she explained it! :P
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 04:11 (five years ago) link
kick out the technofascist jams !
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 04:13 (five years ago) link
does anyone think global warming is a good thing? i love lady gaga. i think she's a really interesting artist
― monotony, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 04:36 (five years ago) link
this songs not great. WAP was not very good, but ethereal numetal could work in theory.. im kind of scared that i gaslighted myself into liking art angels and im reluctant to revisit it...
― flopson, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 04:40 (five years ago) link
ethereal numetal makes me think of evanescence
― just sayin, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 04:45 (five years ago) link
lmao that's what i thought of too monotony
― ufo, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 04:49 (five years ago) link
Each song will be a different embodiment of human extinction as depicted through a Pop star Demonology....but enough about Man of the Woods.
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 05:58 (five years ago) link
i gaslighted myself into liking art angels
Don't blame yourself, blame ILX.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 08:41 (five years ago) link
Anyway, I look forward to this, Evanescence comparisons and all.
Hum. I got off after REALiTi (demo) although I loved her previous stuff... and it doesn't look like her evolution will pull me back in...
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 10:29 (five years ago) link
im kind of scared that i gaslighted myself into liking art angels and im reluctant to revisit it...
― enochroot, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:07 (five years ago) link
art angels still rules and while it's a little less consistent and cohesive than visions, the highs are way higher
― ufo, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:21 (five years ago) link
Yeah, Art Angels is pretty amazing.
― ☮, 🐸 (peace, man), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:22 (five years ago) link
I like We Appreciate Power a lot, so this is good news
― silverfish, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:35 (five years ago) link
Art Angels is still good
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:39 (five years ago) link
I genuinely like Art Angels but idk I want to say it's a New Jersey- WITH QUALIFIERS...
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 16:18 (five years ago) link
god that new interview with her is cringey as fuck, what an insufferable person
― Simon H., Wednesday, 20 March 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link
Claire is a perfectly fine fucking name. Just be Claire, dumbass.
― ☮, 🐸 (peace, man), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link
do rich people deserve rights lets be honest https://t.co/pDePslhRve— 𝕴𝖓𝖉𝖎𝖊 (@INDIEWASHERE) March 20, 2019
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link
call-out culture is the dumbest fucking thing on earth
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:33 (five years ago) link
it was a glib and possibly dumb joke, that's it.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:34 (five years ago) link
ok but i also feel like there are ways to describe your album that don't suck
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:35 (five years ago) link
and it's just day one of this, the worst possible album cycle
should say "make confronting climate change fun". she's definitely not saying that climate change is fun.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
no but if you literally read it as it's written that's what it says. grimes is cancelled
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link
I thought she was already cancelled.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link
cancelled
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:52 (five years ago) link
FOREVER
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link
https://m.imgur.com/a/gZm7Z33
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
People don’t care about it, because we’re being guilted.
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
at this point I'm just happy she isn't saying it's fake
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:05 (five years ago) link
it could still be lore, though
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:23 (five years ago) link
““I see the polar bear and want to kill myself. No one wants to look at it, you know? I want to make a reason to look at it. I want to make it beautiful.” She wants the album’s iconography to include “pro-apocalypse PSAs” and a shoot in which she sits naked at a table a la The Last Supper eating bloodied corpses of endangered animals: “Like, I’m eating an elephant head.””
Crying my ass off
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:27 (five years ago) link
Musk chimes in over email, “I love c’s wild fae artistic creativity and hyper intense work ethic.”
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:30 (five years ago) link
wild fae artistic creativity
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:30 (five years ago) link
I haven't read the full interview, but just going from that quote above, I think I see what she's getting at... seems maybe similar to how, in the Cold War era, the terror of nuclear annihilation [which has hardly diminished, btw] was "processed" and represented in many different ways through movies, art, narrative, etc.?
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:35 (five years ago) link
Like, without knowing (or even judging) whether her album is good, bad, or whatever, it seems like a very understandable thing for "an artist" to try to do.
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link
Yeah, it also doesn't seem that far away from what Oneohtrix Point Never did on his last album.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:39 (five years ago) link
I mean, it’s not that her intentions are cryptic, the execution just seems irredeemably bad
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:40 (five years ago) link
Iirc she described one of the themes of art angels (or one of its songs?) as a story about a transexual al pacino who was also a vampire, so I wouldn’t worry much about this one.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:59 (five years ago) link
Did you know that at one time Al Pacino was rumored to be up for the role of Lestat in the 1994 feature film adaptation of Interview with a Vampire? Even though Tom Cruise ended up in the role, the studio apparently wanted to see what Al Pacino would look like as the character. They hired concept artist Miles Teves from Stan Winston Studios to give them idea of that vision. Teves said,"For a short time, at the beginning of the production, Al Pacino was rumored to have wanted the role of LeStat [sic]. I provided this image to help the studio make a decision. His presence as an actor, though an unusual choice, might have infused the character with more gravitas. Few command the screen like the indomitable Pacino."
"For a short time, at the beginning of the production, Al Pacino was rumored to have wanted the role of LeStat [sic]. I provided this image to help the studio make a decision. His presence as an actor, though an unusual choice, might have infused the character with more gravitas. Few command the screen like the indomitable Pacino."
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/t/5289229ce4b02806f9e52cd6/1384719005418/52p0fQp.jpg?format=1500w
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
lol this is so batty, does anyone genuinely think Claire Boucher thinks climate change is fake, or good, or not an actual problem? it feels super disingenuous and faux-naif to pretend that you actually believe she thinks this
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:18 (five years ago) link
I don't think anyone here thinks she thinks that
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:19 (five years ago) link
(I can only speak for myself and that Pacino Vamp sketch that will haunt my dreams, tho)
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:20 (five years ago) link
She has this idea, though she thinks it’s likely too expensive to pull off: She’s sitting naked at a table like it’s The Last Supper, only she’s surrounded by endangered-animal corpses, and she—Grimes/Miss Anthropocine—is eating the bloodied bits of raw flesh. “Like, I’m eating an elephant head.” She’s got bigger plans even than that. “What I really want to do are these pro-apocalypse PSAs, where I light a tree on fire and I’m like—” she snaps her fingers, does jazz hands, “Climate change! Yeah. Or, I’m there eating zebras and elephants...all this terrible stuff.” Ideally, she’d like to see these PSAs on MSNBC.
so edgy
― Simon H., Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
it seems kinda of obvious to me that there's a sense of helplessness w/r/t climate change from those who believe it to be an issue, bc so many forces are in opposition to altering the course. half this country, likely most of the rest of the world, etc...they either deny it or they don't care. i think her point about being guilted is a fair one too, since it's become a partisan issue and it owns the libs to gleefully cackle about rolling back clean air regulations and so on. if she wants to make an album such as this it makes artistic sense. idk.
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:26 (five years ago) link
"I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me by suggesting I sup clothed."
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:36 (five years ago) link
The idea that we should not feel guilty about ruining the planet ...
The kernel of an interesting discussion is what is the extent something can be criticized by exaggerating it? A lot of acclerationist art romanticizes capitalism and uses this as an out and I’m more and more not buying it
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:41 (five years ago) link
What is an example of "acclerationist art"? Never heard of that
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
xp that is also not the idea of what she's saying. the idea would be to create the feelings inside people that spur the most positive action or maybe to trick them into feeling the guilt they would close themselves off to otherwise.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:46 (five years ago) link
Yeah - I thought the idea was to overcome / get beyond feeling "helpless" (not "guilty")
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
“One song on the album, ‘Kill V Maim’, is written from the perspective of Al Pacino in The Godfather Pt 2,” Grimes said. “Except he’s a vampire who can switch gender and travel through space.”
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:53 (five years ago) link
imo that's extremely cool
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link
My take is that she has a very awkward way of explaining it but I get what she’s trying to convey on her instagram post better. Explaining some of her visual ideas for it probably sounds stupid on paper but the idea of this “goddess of global warming” is kind of cool depending on execution... she refers to gods of death and destruction in other cultures so it’s not that cringey as a concept, it’s just that she gets overexcited about it and is hilariously bad at explaining it but she does have a good record when it comes to executing ideas in the past.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:05 (five years ago) link
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, March 20, 2019 5:18 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a lot of ppl seem to really hate her :(
― flopson, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link
there's also the element that the stereogum post is aggregating a paywalled wsj interview and pretty clearly aggregating the weirder stuff (at least I can only assume, since I don't pay for the wsj, but know how music blogging works)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link
xxp on the other hand "we appreciate power" was a pretty bad concept (that now seems slightly less bad in context of the album concept, but still) that was also executed poorly so i'm not optimistic
"kill v maim" rules solely on a musical level - the lyrics don't really amount to much on their own and without her explaining it i'd really have no idea about her ridiculous concept for it
― ufo, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link
Fair enough, and I don’t mean to imply she’s like, you know, a Bad Person. Just that I’m feeling ideologically opposed to her and other tech-futurist artists like OPN or Holly Herndon. I’m also recently less convinced that art has a lot to offer in terms of politics these days.
For this, I took it as more like — climate change is just another interesting idea to make an album about, and situated it as something in the future involving mostly polar bears, rather than something that is happening now, to people. If people are already immured to the idea then idk how grimes’ psas will do anything aside from give her a marketing angle. the idea of some exaggerating and aestheticizing our relentless patterns of consumption as some badass elephant head eating anime goddess I guess just doesn’t resonate with me.
But I guess we’re at a better place than ten years ago where any talk of environmental issues in art world circles was met with sneers and derision.
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
I haven't read anything other than this thread but didn't Anohni already do the climate-accelerationist thing?
― seandalai, Thursday, 21 March 2019 01:23 (five years ago) link
Good lord - who gives a shit?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:01 (five years ago) link
xp Yes, so did OPN. Lots of people are addressing climate change in their work in this way and have been for a while. Only recently has the tone shifted from "Hopelessness" (the title of the Anohni album iirc) to "Fuck it" (the correct position)
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:02 (five years ago) link
I mean, what can you do but laugh in the face of extinction?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:04 (five years ago) link
Hey this is interesting:
According to the timestamps on her original MySpace page, Boucher began writing music under the name Grimes in 2007. Her performer name was chosen because at the time, MySpace allowed artists to list three musical genres. She listed grime for all three, before knowing what grime music was.[18][19]
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:50 (five years ago) link
Relatable
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 03:27 (five years ago) link
if someone isn't british it's probably pretty easy not to know what grime music is
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 21 March 2019 04:39 (five years ago) link
personally i'm too busy hating on her for providing tedious backstories for her songs up front to hate on her for her objectionable themes
― ⅋ (crüt), Thursday, 21 March 2019 05:33 (five years ago) link
Nothing makes me feel older than reading this thread
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:34 (five years ago) link
I don’t really know what grime music is either, tbh, and I’ve been reading ILM for 12 years
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:52 (five years ago) link
Don't feel bad, I still don't know the difference between drum 'n' bass, house or any of those subgenres. And I'm a professional DJ! (Not really.)
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:53 (five years ago) link
I’ve honestly tried. But so many things are called dubstep that sound nothing like each other.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:54 (five years ago) link
It’s mostly the british ones. House and techno i get.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:58 (five years ago) link
Grime music is music that is grimy.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:14 (five years ago) link
Everybody wanna sound grimey.
― ☮, 🐸 (peace, man), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link
and get a Grimy award.
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:19 (five years ago) link
Or a Latin Grimy.
Have any other musicians/groups chosen their name based on a misunderstanding of what another genre was...
― Sam Weller, Friday, 22 March 2019 10:48 (five years ago) link
Gettin' all kindsa Grimey.
https://www.culturedmag.com/grimes-claire-boucher-c/
“The last album was a piece of crap,” she says. “I feel like people really misread it and it feels like a stain on my life.” She resists the notion that she tried to make a pop record, and considers it more of a genre exercise in which she demonstrated her range as a producer. “I just wish I could make music in a vacuum,” she claims, before retorting, “it’s good to make people mad actually, I retract my statement. If you can make people mad without actually hurting anyone, that’s probably a good thing.”...A preview of three new songs finds c excavating her emotions while constructing a sonic environment for her dark supervillain. Ominous guitar feedback meets sharp, whale call-sounding synths to form the underbelly of a standout called “So Heavy I Fell Through the Earth.” c says the song, whose mystifying lyrics ride an angelic vocal melody, is about how love can be like a poison. “Specifically how when a dude comes inside you, you become in their thrall—how it’s an attack on your feminist freedom,” she illustrates.
A preview of three new songs finds c excavating her emotions while constructing a sonic environment for her dark supervillain. Ominous guitar feedback meets sharp, whale call-sounding synths to form the underbelly of a standout called “So Heavy I Fell Through the Earth.” c says the song, whose mystifying lyrics ride an angelic vocal melody, is about how love can be like a poison. “Specifically how when a dude comes inside you, you become in their thrall—how it’s an attack on your feminist freedom,” she illustrates.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
Grimes otm for a change
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
grimes
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
incredible Kanye West energy in this promo cycle
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
which part xxp
― flappy bird, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
“Specifically how when a dude comes inside you, you become in their thrall—how it’s an attack on your feminist freedom,” she illustrates.
I think this is a matter of perspective...
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
I think I’ll like this record though. Never been disappointed with c’s music in the past
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
By that logic, are facials considered microaggressions? Is felching the best way to remedey such an attack?
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:29 (four years ago) link
dam thats egdy you should do a comedy sho!w
― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link
literally everything negative that people (self included) think about her is a result of her own doing.
also, i dislike everyday people like this:
retorting, “it’s good to make people mad actually, I retract my statement. If you can make people mad without actually hurting anyone, that’s probably a good thing.”
yeah, anger gets us to really productive places. i'm pretty sure dj has this same philosophy.👍🏻
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
i don't honestly understand what she's talking about. art angels didn't make people angry--it was an amazing and accessible record that everyone loved.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
She lost the noise kids
― flappy bird, Thursday, 4 April 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link
ie people in the milieu she came up in. Not that many people, but artists historically have been hurt / fixated on losing their original or “authentic” fan base.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
anecdotally lots of ppl hated art angels yea
― flopson, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
It took me a while to be honest and I think plenty of people aren't gonna sit there and listen to it twice. It's a challenging record.
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:12 (four years ago) link
If by 'challenging' you mean 'insufferably poppy', yeah. I hated it when it came out and haven't revisited it since. Maybe I should – my ears are more lenient these days.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link
i didn't like it at first either bc i missed the moodiness. but then i realized grimes wanted to take me (the listener) out of the gloom that was her trademark and i thought it was a brave choice
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
flesh without blood is one of my favorite tracks ever tbh.
i feel personally insulted that she is calling that album a "piece of crap" to be honest
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:41 (four years ago) link
Art Angels still mostly rules and she spent the whole promo cycle talking about how she loved pop music and wanted to make something influenced by the pop music she loves so idk what she's on about when she now says she didn't try to make a pop album
there definitely was some backlash to it from fans of Visions who didn't like the new direction but that seemed relatively small overall
when she says she wishes she could make music in a vacuum i'm increasingly wishing that too because every new interview makes her seem more and more ridiculous and obnoxious unfortunately
― ufo, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
drugs are a hell of a drugs
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link
mod please change thread title to Grimes/c Boucher thread
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, April 4, 2019 12:29 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
cousin fp
every new interview makes her seem more and more ridiculous and obnoxious unfortunately
how does this one make her seem obnoxious?
― flopson, Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link
If by 'challenging' you mean 'insufferably poppy', yeah. I hated it when it came out and haven't revisited it since. Maybe I should – my ears are more lenient these days.― pomenitul, Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:14 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― pomenitul, Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:14 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Insufferably poppy to people used to her earlier work, but abrasive and weird to your average top 40 listener, I guess? And I came to it from her earlier stuff, but thought that Scream and Venus Fly were too fucking out there until I went back and revisited it a year or so ago.
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link
A lot of the album seemed to be a direct reaction to people who got upset about the poppiness of her Go single (guilty, as well).
A week or so ago, I had a realization about my personal impressions of c during the lead-up to this album cycle (scorn, impatience, embarassment), I realize that I kinda went through the same shit during the interim between Visions and Art Angels. So, we'll see. My current take is that I'm probably not cool enough to understand Grimes and will probably come around a year or so from now when everybody's dad has heard it.
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:45 (four years ago) link
the problem with 'go' is that it was bad, not that it was too poppy or mainstream
― ufo, Thursday, 4 April 2019 23:26 (four years ago) link
“I just wish I could make music in a vacuum,” she claims
maybe someone could put her in touch with imago?
― kolarov spring (NickB), Thursday, 4 April 2019 23:42 (four years ago) link
hahahaha
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 4 April 2019 23:46 (four years ago) link
I loved Go
― Dan S, Thursday, 4 April 2019 23:47 (four years ago) link
Grimes is starting to feel like a stain in my life.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 5 April 2019 03:01 (four years ago) link
some of y'all have fascinating ideas of what constitutes "poppy"
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 April 2019 03:13 (four years ago) link
When set against most types of music that exist on earth, it does slant rather heavily towards pop. Not much of a margin of error there, really.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 April 2019 09:30 (four years ago) link
this is the least surprising thing in that interview -- it's the musician's stock answer for "album right after a newer-poppier-direction album that underperformed by someone's metrics"
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 5 April 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link
Still feels odd she doesn’t seem to have affection for an album with so many great tracks.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 5 April 2019 13:02 (four years ago) link
Maybe she’s just on to the next thing and that’s a good attitude—who knows
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 5 April 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link
how do you feel about your greatest hits of posts to ilx? sure you post em again for the fans, but your heart's moved on.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 April 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
I never went pop though
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 5 April 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
james franco was your pop moment, complete with fans and your own disavowal upon return to earnest treeship
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 April 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
That sock wasn’t even that bad. He just said “cool it”
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 5 April 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
Also so long ago—who knows who it was?
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 5 April 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
― kolarov spring (NickB), Thursday, April 4, 2019 6:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
omfg dying
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 April 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link
A+ NickB
― blokes you can't rust (sic), Friday, 5 April 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
idgi
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 April 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link
there is a video of ilx user imago doing a performance of bohemian rhapsody with a vacuum cleaner
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
reference to an ill-advised video imago made some years back
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 5 April 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
but how can something be ill-advised if it well remembered, didn't harm anyone (except for some performance-related wear and tear on the vacuum) and sparks joy years later?
― Karl Malone, Friday, 5 April 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
i agree
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
That sounds amazing. Link?
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 April 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
i'll webmail it to you, don't want to post it
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
ok maybe I'm confusing it with some other post of his that got reposted elsewhere or something?
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 5 April 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
'Tis a thing of beauty, thanks jim.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 April 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link
making music with a vacuum versus making beautiful music in a vacuum iirc
― mh, Friday, 5 April 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
Either way, nature abhors it.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 April 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
https://www.stereogum.com/2038745/grimes-secret-song-on-soundcloud/music/
― rob, Friday, 5 April 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
Here's the track itself - that's more like it:https://soundcloud.com/user-709404175-360600573/printsessa
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 5 April 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
https://crackmagazine.net/article/long-reads/grimes-is-ready-to-play-the-villain/
Banaka-lite heel turn:
“I thought people understood that I ultimately probably believe in an AI dictatorship. I mean, I don’t think humanity is going to survive anyway. We’re fucked. I think AI is the natural evolution. It’s just like we killed the fucking Neanderthals, and now they’re going to kill us. I don’t think democracy really works.“
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 04:12 (four years ago) link
that's a kind of amazing quote
― Dan S, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 04:16 (four years ago) link
don't know about "I thought people understood..."
― Dan S, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 04:20 (four years ago) link
so the techno-fascist thing was sincere after all, lmao
― ufo, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 04:39 (four years ago) link
Yang/Grimes 2020
― soref, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 04:43 (four years ago) link
I read the whole thing and gotta say — “AI dictatorship” quote aside (and even that may be “ironic”) — she makes her case well and comes off pretty good to me.
”Seriously, fuck the New Yorker,” she says, growing agitated. She makes unwavering eye contact. “Fuck the New York Times. Fuck Vice.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 05:03 (four years ago) link
Awesome final sentence in that quote
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 05:04 (four years ago) link
The best part of the movie is the Joker.
oh fuck yeah
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 05:30 (four years ago) link
Seems like she’s being pretty real here; talking about how even her parents preferred her earlier stuff, etc. It’s that rare kind of interview where an artist who’s “fallen out of grace” with fans and the media assesses the situation and talks about their next move.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 05:37 (four years ago) link
Yeah if you’re gonna make fanboys cry by revealing you’re a Tory you might as well do it in a corny Leto joker bit
― mumsnet blvd (wins), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 05:39 (four years ago) link
I must be in the minority here as I loved the interview and still appreciate her as an artist and human?
Also like her take on AI and her neanderthal analogy. However, it's also good to reflect on Kurzweil's more utopian vision of post singularity life to balance out her dystopian one.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 07:19 (four years ago) link
it's worth remembering that Kurzweil is a clueless idiot of the highest calibre, though.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 07:47 (four years ago) link
A scandal, tailor-made for ILM. Pretty sure it's a conspiracy at this point.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 08:30 (four years ago) link
“Dark is going to be my main alter ego,” she says. “It’s visually the best thing I’ve ever come up with. Everyone is very tired of me making metal and screamo and stuff, so that can just be Dark.”Who is very tired of her making metal and screamo?“Twitter. Fans. Honestly, my parents. I came out making beautiful, ethereal, chill synth music and I do still really like that, I just don’t like being pigeonholed so I had to react against it for a minute. Now I’m back to it. I honestly think Shall I Compare Thee is kind of Visions-y.”She pauses to take a sip of her coffee, and it occurs to me that the more I listen to Boucher the more I realise she is talking to me above a background roar. The deafening cacophony of voices on the internet pulling apart every aspect of her music, her politics and her personal life is always there whether she engages with it or not.
Who is very tired of her making metal and screamo?
“Twitter. Fans. Honestly, my parents. I came out making beautiful, ethereal, chill synth music and I do still really like that, I just don’t like being pigeonholed so I had to react against it for a minute. Now I’m back to it. I honestly think Shall I Compare Thee is kind of Visions-y.”
She pauses to take a sip of her coffee, and it occurs to me that the more I listen to Boucher the more I realise she is talking to me above a background roar. The deafening cacophony of voices on the internet pulling apart every aspect of her music, her politics and her personal life is always there whether she engages with it or not.
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 08:50 (four years ago) link
more power to you but this sort of thing is far too dark and twisted for me!!
“If there’s nothing left to lose, that’s actually a really fun idea to me. I think it has freed me artistically. The best part of the movie is the Joker"
― ogmor, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 10:30 (four years ago) link
ooh a gritty reboot. how edgy
― maura, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 10:48 (four years ago) link
lmao at the joker quote and ilmers cheering her run of the mill Reddit chud dimestore futurism
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 11:30 (four years ago) link
she's going to end up on Rogan lol
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 11:32 (four years ago) link
With a flamethrower and a doobie.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 11:33 (four years ago) link
this heel turn sucks
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 12:51 (four years ago) link
I say we revive the death of the author.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
https://pics.me.me/childhood-s-when-you-idolize-baiman-adulthood-is-when-you-3468830.png
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/361/696/95e.jpg
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:46 (four years ago) link
Upper missippi at timespace warping levels of otm ... this is what I meant by accelerationism
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:46 (four years ago) link
The LP's second single is reportedly titled 'makes u think'.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:47 (four years ago) link
Jack Dorsey ($1,000), Rivers Cuomo ($1,000), and Noah Centineo ($2,700) all contributed to Andrew Yang's presidential campaign in Q1— David Wright (@DavidWright_CNN) April 16, 2019
― maura, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link
dorsey and rivers....fucking perfect
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:55 (four years ago) link
The only thing I know about Andrew Yang is that a dude I met who supports Jordan Peterson and jives with his all-meat colon cancer accelerator diet is also a fan of Yang's.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link
― mumsnet blvd (wins), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:01 (four years ago) link
A Zeitgeist-defining record.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:02 (four years ago) link
She should change her name to C- amirite?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:07 (four years ago) link
After she covers Terry Riley.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link
i have to agree with her. people do really love this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a05PgrhU3ms
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
lol Moka
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
footage of Twitter v Grimes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak7daE1CYD4
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link
petition to make grimes say "we live in a society" on the new album
― fits, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link
4th: “I’m not locked in here with you... you’re locked in here with me” (ft. Azealia Banks)― mumsnet blvd (wins), Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:01 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
genuine lol, thanks for that.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
as long as she sticks to being an ideological ding-dong that makes interesting music I'm in
I get that as someone with a level of fame and the resulting platform there's the responsibility to use it, etc, but assuming this is an actual outlook and not a public persona that supports a concept album... well, thanks Canada, for a Rush for the twenty-teens
― mh, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link
“Without me doing anything, just by random association with other people, I’ve watched my career and my reputation get totally fucking smashed,” she says. “I worked my whole fucking life for this and now everyone thinks I’m so stupid. I was just sitting there incredulous watching my life’s work go down the drain.”
"random association" you say
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link
where's that emil.y quote about grimes being a popular kid making out she's so weird, like
― imago, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
You guys are acting like the high school kids, honestly!Maybe b/c I’m not a “fan” and have no real investment in Grimes, her music, or her “politics” — but the reactions she elicits in this thread, for doing/saying not-very-controversial-seeming things, are v bizarre to me.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:58 (four years ago) link
saying that humanity should be enslaved by robots, that the world is going to end and that's cool and funny to her, that democracy is not working, overall lightweight post tumblr anime nihilism, at a point in history where climate change and inequality seem to be tipping into overt fascism -- you don't see HOW someone could be upset about these ideas, even if you don't care? i mean sure twitter is satanic and the way it makes fans feel entitled to an artists time / psyche is fucked but also a separate convo imo
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link
I don’t know about controversy, but I feel like ppl would make fun of any high-profile musician coming out with this kind of shit
the jduge orders me to take off my anonymous v mask & im wearing the joker makeup underneath it. everyone in the courtroom groans at my shit— wint (@dril) March 10, 2015
― mumsnet blvd (wins), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
considering I derived some entertainment from a Matthew Barney film that was conceivably a commentary on whaling that took place on a whaling ship but had as a feature attraction a giant vat of petroleum jelly and had a scene with the artist and his partner cutting at each other with knives... ok, I'm not sure where I'm going with this
in any case, art (and artists) can have contradictory or even muddled takes on issues you may care about and it's fine to enjoy the art despite that conflict
if it's some "what about the kids" thing then, hey, there are a lot worse influences that have very clear takes on things
― mh, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link
wins otm
AI fascism is, like other sorts of nihilism, a coping mechanism for despair over the future. I think it's interesting that Grimes is working with these themes (accelerationism, climate change, AI, fascism vs democracy) and I hope she does interesting things with them in her music. They're looming issues for most of us so it's v relevant work which is really what we should be asking from our artists. Whether she does it in the politically preferred manner is a different question and sorta a distraction since making sure your politics are right vis-a-vis eschatology is pretty fiddling while the world burns. nb that I don't judge people who find this approach disturbing as well as they're dealing with the same anxieties and concerns about the disintegration of society and what that will unleash among humanity when the chains of civilization have weakened and previously condemnable behavior is rampant. But I don't think any artist is obligated to assuage those concerns by parroting the correct perspective. If she ends up signing up with the Nazi party tho I'll be really disappointed in her.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
The dril tweet is funny, but she’s presenting the “they want a villain? I’ll be a villain” thing as an aesthetic strategy for dealing w/ climate change (as we’ve discussed at length above)... maybe it’s a “bad” one that will fail, but it seems like something different than cheap internet nihilism.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link
(Also I guess the “real” political actions of hers mentioned in this thread trump the silly AI-takeover rhetoric for me)
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
so she's making art that explicitly accepts the reality of global climate change and postulates negative effects of machine learning technologies and casts the stance of being for unfettered change in those realms as villainous
hrrm
― mh, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
on the other hand, the Joker.. is incredibly cool so maybe villains are good
― mh, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
(sorry, I mean “the article” — not “this thread,” lol)xp
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
look, everyone is assuming she means batman's the joker, but steve miller band's "The Joker" includes a line about a "space cowboy" that is very muskian. this album is going to sound like steve miller band.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
now you all know what it's like to be a fan of Billy Corgan
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
Not me, I’m not certain I’ve ever heard any grimes song before this new single. My eyerolling is purely opportunistic
― mumsnet blvd (wins), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link
"My dark hour My dark hour, you know it's drivin' me wild"
some new grimes lyrics about grimes main alter ego? nope. more steve miller band.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
the fans have rejected her metal, i.e. her songs that sound like the flaming lips. give us your 'take the money and run'.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
"I think it's interesting that Grimes is working with these themes (accelerationism, climate change, AI, fascism vs democracy) and I hope she does interesting things with them in her music. They're looming issues for most of us so it's v relevant work which is really what we should be asking from our artists. Whether she does it in the politically preferred manner is a different question and sorta a distraction since making sure your politics are right vis-a-vis eschatology is pretty fiddling while the world burns."
lmfao. OR, maybe making shitty reheated gravity kills tracks while talking about how climate change is, to you, mostly a cool freeing artistic abstraction rather than something that is actively killing people right now, is the real fiddling?
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
Yes she’s a musician her job is to fiddle
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
grimes needs to find god. she should collaborate with hunter hunt-hendrix
― imago, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
the "grimes doesn't take climate change seriously" bad faith take is truly the worst
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
(the "grimes does take wolf-whistle guitar mimicry seriously" good faith take is truly the best)
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link
She clearly made the right move, I can't believe people are actually pissed and taking the bait on this one. Who gives a shit? It's an interesting and at the very least unique position to take as an artist now, it's also an understandable reaction to being told we're facing an unstoppable apocalypse.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link
flappy maybe some self-awareness about how much u love artists that are overgrown trolls is due
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
artists should be trolls tho maybe not all of them but provocations are def part of their job
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
i'm... pretty sure i didn't read this piece in bad faith, it restates a lot of points she made in her last terrible interview in a way that makes them feel narrower, more depressing, and less interesting
albeit i have been known to enjoy deeply nihilistic art so we'll see
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
"artists should be trolls" isn't a perspective i agree with sorry mordy
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
it is funny tho all the horrific things artists say thru their art about that we generally are cool w/ but w/ grimes it's all hands on deck this is an outrage etc like maybe there's more going on here than "her politics are bad" don't want to turn this isn't an idpol thing but ppl's expectations about her seem kinda weird to me. are these ppl also upset about lolita or satanism in black metal or whatever.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
xp it's not the only thing they do brad but claiming that artists trolling is a bad thing seems imo to miss what a lot of art is actually about (provocations)
flappy maybe some self-awareness about how much u love artists that are overgrown trolls is due― american bradass (BradNelson)
― american bradass (BradNelson)
yes professor
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
it's just so fucking hilarious how boring and obvious she is! literally and how you guys are like actually this is 7D provocateur chess
like i know you are on the internet all the time this is just like rolling fedora thread bullshit that should be nothing but clowned on
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:32 (four years ago) link
Pretty much.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link
I'm just gonna keep enjoying her music as long as she makes music I like. These weird interviews are fun I guess, but I don't really care.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:38 (four years ago) link
otm to all. this is mostly just boring. idea about last supper photo was fine arts major embarrassing graduation show boring and bad. i'm happy she's found a theme that allows her to feel ok about making new music for the twitter wolves.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
None of this affects my enjoyment of her music (or lack thereof) in the least. Whether she’s deliberately trolling or not I’m just amused by how obviousness is invariably the most successful approach when it comes to attracting attention.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
absolutely, "clowned on" is the correct response. earnest anger, even annoyance, baffles me here, just as it did last week with Bret Easton Ellis. I like artists that are willing to use themselves as battering rams to explore controversial and provocative ideas - how that process plays out in public is what's interesting to me, not the ideas themselves necessarily. conflating "trolls" with provocateurs is such an art-negative point of view
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
a bit condescending to "the public" there, flappy
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link
The only thing I know is that new Grimes music exists and maybe will be released, but probably not soon. It's just as likely it will all be scrapped based on reactions she may be absorbing from the internet by osmosis whether she is connected to it or not.
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
what do you mean xp
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
as a grimes fan i guess i support AI totalitarianism now too
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
we all knew you had it in you treesh
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
xxp you made it sound like you are an enlightened observer of these grand experiments performed by artists on an unwitting public. but it seems more likely that you, like me and everybody else ever, probably just enjoy some tabloid drama trash with your coffee.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
"time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping into the future" - Steve Miller, AI nihilist
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
the interview comes off like her expressing a certain amount of frustration obviously and as far as her AI take i mean suddenly everyone is acting like she's gone NXIVM culty with it and suggesting "actually just take the blue pill" vs just being an artist spouting off random ideas and being maybe a little tongue in cheek. i guess also i've comes to somewhat distrust the tone of interviews w/artists that are having a moment where people want to take them down a notch, sometimes the writing voice can make a conversation seem worse than it is especially w/someone like grimes who from interviews i've seen with her tends to just ramble on with whatever comes to mind and it can seem a little incoherent on occasion. some of the pieces on her seem to misread her in bad faith as sufjan said, plus i guess would find it hard to believe she is actually turning into an evil supervillain vs just discussing the idea in abstract, from an artistic POV.
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
haha do my comments come off as that pompous? it's not the case - I enjoy the spectacle and drama. the way it plays out in public & in the media, it's interesting to me. the only real feeling I have here is that reflexively dismissing any controversial or provocative artist as a "troll" or a "hater" is an inherently art-negative point of view.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
also the notion that artists have to be virtuous, morally correct, smart - I don't agree. and I think about this
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:06 (four years ago) link
I guess I read "I like artists that are willing to use themselves as battering rams to explore controversial and provocative ideas - how that process plays out in public is what's interesting to me, not the ideas themselves necessarily." as something Chuck Klosterman said about The Real Housewives. I'm also just giving you a hard time.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link
couldn't she have embraced xenofeminism instead? I feel like we could use a xenofeminist pop star
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
Do you guys actually think she—the person not the character—believes climate change is “good”? She said this:
“The way I figure it is that climate change sucks and no one wants to read about it because the only time you hear about it is when you’re getting guilted,” she explained. “I wanted to make climate change fun. Miss Anthropocene has got a Voldemort kind of vibe. She’s naked all the time and she’s made out of ivory and oil. It’s going to be super tight.”
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
She’s approaching these apocalyptic scenarios that loom on people’s minds from a different angle to see what the results are. Seems like a good idea to do that—the way we talk about everything has become really predictable and obviously it’s not working to get us to make the changes we need to
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:18 (four years ago) link
"I like artists that are willing to use themselves as battering rams to explore controversial and provocative ideas"
"I know there was this big controversy last week with this New Yorker piece about me, a New Yorker interview, which was kind of a prank. I got punked, I have to admit it. But one of the questions was, I said, 'I’m not political, why are we going here?” He said, “Well then you shouldn’t have written a political book.'"
...........
― maura, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
like... saying "kids today" is the least provocative thing you can say, even if you're saying it in the middle of a coke binge
tfw ur alienation has reached such a degree ur experiencing ur own destruction as an aesthetic pleasure of the first order
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
Lol people expressing sympathy for Bret Easton Ellis is making me feel extremely vindicated
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
he's always going to have apologists. always
― maura, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
What has he to do with grimes?
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
scroll back
― maura, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
the way we talk about everything has become really predictable and obviously it’s not working to get us to make the changes we need to
This
― DT, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
hope this album comes out soon then
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
omar little OTM (51 mins. ago)
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
treeship otm the only way to move this political conversation forward is to develop more hard-edged anime personas for ourselves
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
I’m just saying she’s taking things from the culture as materials and trying to approach them from new angles as this artistic process can have some value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamiliarization
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
she is like taco bell in that way
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
The result of her shenanigans seems to be a conversation abohf fhe responsible way to approach climate change—a threat that is kidn of everywhere and nowhere as the down the line effects are too terrifying to contemplate. Grimes js not going to change anything serious about this issue but she’s trying to provoke a different way of looking at it—seems like artists do this all the time
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
she is wrapping the same terrifying climate change up in an outer layer of AI nihilism and saying "you are good to go"
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
That musicians have to constantly interact with social media in order to stay in a certain credibility zone is such poison.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
donald glover isn't on social media
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
and look at his success!
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
Didn't the video for "Oblivion" (which I adore) do something similar w/r/t to its subject matter of male aggression? She positions her right there, in the midst of it, even a participant -- in the crowd at the dirt bike rally, in the locker room with the rowdy, shirtless dudes (laughing at one point when she's jostled hard from behind) -- not standing off to the side and saying "tsk, tsk"
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link
Like, again, I'm far from a Grimes fan (beyond that song) -- but just going on that one video I know & love, it's ??? to me that actual fans are all "OMG!!??!" when she floats these ideas about engaging w/climate change in a "different" way
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:25 (four years ago) link
i would posit that the world has changed a lot since 2012, especially when it comes to extremely pressing issues.
― maura, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:38 (four years ago) link
it's almost like climate change and toxic masculinity aren't the same thing
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link
So now the charge isn't that she's on some wack new trip, it's that her established M.O. isn't suited for the times? I'm trying to keep up
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
idk man you are moving the goalposts here i'm just trying to keep up
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
Like I have *no f'in idea* how I would address climate change if I were an artist (I probably wouldn't even try); but I don't get the "This ain't it, chief" response to an admittedly sketchy-sounding approach from an artist whom I would think deserves the benefit of the doubt (and who hasn't even released the album yet)... and even if it's a failure, at least she, like, did what an artist does(?)
What's the worst that happens -- it "backfires," and she sucks impressionable youth into sincerely identifying w/the villain schitck? What's the chance of that? Doesn't everyone hate her now; and isn't that her point about it being freeing, and trying to spin something productive out of all the negativity being directed at her?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link
(And the only goalposts I lay down were to point out that she seems to have embraced a somewhat complex p.o.v. when exploring "issues" in the past; which is why it seems odd to me for supposed fans of her to say, "UH-UH, CAN'T HAVE THAT" when she does it again now.)
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
lol this thread is the most overblown bs ever. As far as I can tell, she's creating and expressing, attempting to live her life on her terms, and actually attempting somewhat unique musical/lyrical themes within the context of mainstream music. If this is what gets ILM worked up these days (as opposed to shit in the past like "$90k + bennies") things have gone soft.
Maybe Whiney can make another ridiculous comments poll sourcing this thread.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link
I think the criticism leveled at her is that she just uses the news cycle for the promotion of her brand by doing and saying whack stuff, it worked ever since the hilarious story of the raft down the Mississippi and since there's been countless ways in which she finds herself making the headlines, sometimes good, sometimes bad. The environmental angle is just the latest and since it touches a difficult subject, some of the audience is questioning her sincerity.
It is not a big deal imo but it does exemplify a certain precarity lots of artist finds themselves with having to promote themselves and exist on a saturated market...
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
Brings to mind Dave Chappelle's skit about needing Ja Rule to make sense of a tragedy.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
Elon Musk : Grimes :: Billy McFarland : Ja Rule
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 20:27 (four years ago) link
It checks out.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
climate change : Grimes :: ground beef : Taco Bell
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
Seems to me that the torrent of criticism makes it all the most "interesting" that she's not playing it safe... diving into a difficult subject, via a weird/offputting approach, may express more "sincerity" (which is a tricky concept anyway for an artist) than if she backpedaled; and it also seems riskier as a commercial/PR move. But then I tend to take artists at face value when they talk about their work -- even when they're promoting an album -- which I know may be naive.
“I worked my whole fucking life for this and now everyone thinks I’m so stupid. I was just sitting there incredulous watching my life’s work go down the drain.”
^I thought this was a remarkable quote; you don't normally hear an interview subject express something like this, in such plain terms.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link
I don't look to Grimes for politics - her music to me has a strong sense of unreality to me, and I think she's just crafting a public persona. Like, visually, she's always heavily made up and costumed. It's a good defense for a slightly built, attractive young women, 'cos there are always guys who will creep on you if you just look like someone ordinary that might reciprocate their feelings. It's a way of maintaining privacy and keeping over-zealous fans at a distance.
― if i wanted to live in holland i would have packed up and pissed of (I M Losted), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
Okay I'm going to skip that last comment (as should all of ILM in my view) and just note in an xxxxxxxxp sort of way that the last thing anyone on this website needs is another Whiney comments poll(That said if he takes the bait I'd love to see my name up in lights)
― You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
her music does have a strong sense of unreality
― Dan S, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:44 (four years ago) link
FWIW dating Elon Musk is a major “$90k plus bennies” move
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 23:05 (four years ago) link
also agree that she is (continually) constructing a public persona while at the same time trying to maintain privacy and keep over-zealous fans at a distance
― Dan S, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
i think a lot of ppl on twitter and some of the more twitter-brained ppl on here felt v betrayed by her dating Elon musk and go kinda ott with reading stuff into these quotes, seem to see this stuff in the context of an internet culture war
― flopson, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
Grimes, please release new music and save me from this fucking thead.
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 18 April 2019 00:14 (four years ago) link
it's not even that I have criticisms, and I actually really like most of her new music, it's just that she's one interview away from revealing she was actually tara gilesbie of "my immortal"
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 18 April 2019 03:52 (four years ago) link
like
Dark is going to be my main alter ego,” she says. “It’s visually the best thing I’ve ever come up with. Everyone is very tired of me making metal and screamo and stuff, so that can just be Dark.”
I was walking outside Hogwarts. It was snowing and raining so there was no sun, which I was very happy about. A lot of preps stared at me. I put up my middle finger at them.
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 18 April 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
lol otm
― ufo, Thursday, 18 April 2019 04:13 (four years ago) link
musk: i got u a gift..grimes: is this... an invader zim hoodie?!?!elon: :)grimes: this is so fucking EPIC— eric curtin (@_ericcurtin) May 23, 2018
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 April 2019 05:49 (four years ago) link
I guess I read "I like artists that are willing to use themselves as battering rams to explore controversial and provocative ideas - how that process plays out in public is what's interesting to me, not the ideas themselves necessarily." as something Chuck Klosterman said about The Real Housewives. I'm also just giving you a hard time.― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton)
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton)
don't blow my cover..
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 April 2019 05:57 (four years ago) link
Yes but is unreality the same thing as unrealiti? Discuss.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 April 2019 07:53 (four years ago) link
https://i.redd.it/a7c286pgdps21.jpg
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link
I have not read the rest of the answers yet, but this struck me:
This was explored much more successfully in the early 1940s by a man that was much smarter than myself. He called it L’Étranger. Other very smart people have written classic songs about this.
Grimes needs to brush up on her history, I reckon.
Back to the rest of the replies now. . .
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link
. . .and, upon doing so, I guess my main thing is, this is egregiously terrible:
For many reasons. Yes, I'm deeply and personally by her words here. No, I would not like to discuss it.
Discontinuing my interest in her music was a wise decision; that is abundantly clear now.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
bc it's corny or... some other reason? that seems like a pretty dramatic response to that quote.
― Mordy, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
He doesn’t want to discuss it!!
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
In my personal life I do this too. If someone does something corny or embarrassing I take it as a personal attack and remove them from my life. And when questioned I solemnly tell them I don’t want to talk about it.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
Hi Treesh,
The reason I am not willing to discuss it any further is because, as a person living with a Dissociative Personality Disorder, it is discouraging to see people flippantly use this as a means for "art." The way my brain adapted to handle my father's intense physical and psychological abuse when I was five years old created Andy. Andy makes music for therapy now.
It's all indicative of the terrifying and reprehensible recent sway towards the glamourization of serious mental illness. If Claire would truly like to draw attention to things she feels need some, she would do so in a respectful and provocative way; as opposed to just being provocative for the sake of being so. She would like my attention very much.
But that will never happen because she is a speaker, not a listener.
If she would like to continue to play with her "alter-egos" that everyone "hates", she is welcome to do so. If she would like to trade places and incur the trauma that I did, so her art is more vivid and legit, she is more than welcome to. I hope she likes being locked alone in dark basements for days at a time, with random unexplained beatings inflicted upon her.
For the record, I do not want anyone to experience what I have. Thanks for reading.🙂
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
with all due respect "alter egos" used in music are common and are generally not a reference to dissociative personality disorder or other mental illnesses
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link
yeah, i didn't even think of dissociative identity disorder at all when i read that statement from grimes. it's about performance. i understand if it is triggering for you though austin and have full sympathy for that
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
yes i should state that i am in full agreement with treeship's last statement
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
I am not looking for sympathy. Andy is about to finish his solo album and I'm fucking excited for it.
However, making statements like:
Everyone is very tired of me making metal and screamo and stuff, so that can just be Dark.
Is exceedingly irresponsible. There are several valid perspectives on why; I will just go with this one: tumblr kids are v impressionable.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:48 (four years ago) link
right there with you Austin, well put
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
"everyone is tired of me making metal and screamo and stuff" seems kinda overstated when she's released like... two tracks total that are even adjacent to that ("scream" and "we appreciate power")
― ufo, Friday, 19 April 2019 01:41 (four years ago) link
have we forgotten the suicide squad soundtrack so soon?
― mh, Friday, 19 April 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link
lol she was on the suicide squad soundtrack?
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 19 April 2019 03:37 (four years ago) link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OXor30_XZMY
― mh, Friday, 19 April 2019 03:39 (four years ago) link
also her collab with poppy
― maura, Friday, 19 April 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link
I haven't heard any of her collaborations, but she also did stuffwith Bring Me to the Horizon and the guy from Mindless Self Indulgence.
― ☮ (peace, man), Friday, 19 April 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link
feel like it's hard to top Microsoft's artistic contribution to this subject matter https://twitter.com/tayandyou
― jazzed (it's a boy!), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
Pretty Dark isn’t a bad song.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 13:05 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/r3noYkL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6AkZvj8.jpg
you have to admit this absolutely shits on wahlberg's normie efforts
― ogmor, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 09:21 (four years ago) link
Words to live by.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 09:27 (four years ago) link
at this point i can't tell how much of that is like 'in character' or not
― ufo, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 09:43 (four years ago) link
Using regiment to mean regimen is just one of those things that really pisses me off.
― ☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 10:56 (four years ago) link
Eheh, that is "American Psycho" level freaky (not the psycho killer part, eh) !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 11:05 (four years ago) link
I don't believe her about the surgery
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 11:30 (four years ago) link
assume the whole thing is just trolling right?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
I think the term "trolling" doesn't give her enough credit for a very self-aware (and pretty hilarious) post.
― enochroot, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:25 (four years ago) link
“Astro-glide” lmfao
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:45 (four years ago) link
Tbh rich ppl lifestyle habits are parody-proof at this point so who even knows what % of this is a joke
― Simon H., Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
yes but this is a v obvious joke
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
Injecting the blood of the young read like a too-on-the-nose joke too
― Simon H., Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
lmao @ “an orange ultra flex polymer”
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:37 (four years ago) link
v defensive
― imago, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
i dunno. never having to configure blue light filters on screens again.... pretty handy stuff
― maffew12, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link
It's a joke, but it's a mid-season Black Mirror episode of joke. Or one I can see her making a lot better two years ago.
― vcrash, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link
Man this is embarrassing.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
You mean people taking it literally?
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
That must be yeah.
But I think we are ready to move past ‘trolling as humour’ culture.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link
as a troll this is p harmless. and actually funny.
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
Agreed it’s harmless, its really cringy if you don’t find it funny. Different strokes!
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
It's all fun and games until someone jabs their corneas.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
so wheres the music
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link
you're so fleshbrained, flappy, this IS the new music
― Simon H., Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:01 (four years ago) link
She ditched the album after being blown away by the ILM pre-cover version.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link
one must be laminated to hear it
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link
The Guardian is on it: https://www.theguardian.com/music/shortcuts/2019/jul/17/peeled-eyeballs-isolation-tanks-and-neuroplastic-goals-is-grimess-training-regime-for-real
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
I read it as serious Either way Adidas is getting their money’s worth
― calstars, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
It's the latest avatar of the yanny/laurel controversy.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 18:06 (four years ago) link
first single September 13
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
Lol nvm, she deleted the post
― flappy bird, Sunday, 18 August 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link
Great. Cause everyone was wondering.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 19 August 2019 05:10 (four years ago) link
I almost never think about Grimes and I'm not really a fan, but the other day "Kill V. Maim" came on in a mix and it struck me as very emblematic of its time. I would definitely put it on an end-of-decade mix.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 August 2019 05:38 (four years ago) link
I've always looked at music criticism, reviews, message boards, etc. as a way of finding and rediscovering music without giving any weight at all to the opinions behind the writing. I kinda sift through the opinions for keywords or phrases that are suited to my taste or warn me that I probably won't be into the music being discussed. The idea that someone can interpret a song, or any art for that matter, and bludgeon everyone else with that interpretation seems pretty dickish.That said, I hope Grimes isn't dissected into oblivion by fans and critics alike. She's so damn likable, but even better than that she has interesting songs and you can actually dance to some of them. The ideas behind them are what stick out for me.― Cousin Slappy, Friday, March 16, 2012 11:34 AM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, March 16, 2012 11:34 AM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
wow seriously homie what horrible thing did she say to you when you found out her address through a shady private detective and showed up at her front door with flowers and a handgun
― omar little, Monday, 19 August 2019 06:09 (four years ago) link
wait hold up don't answer that you weird obsessive, i don't want to have nightmares
― omar little, Monday, 19 August 2019 06:11 (four years ago) link
https://player.fm/series/the-underculture-with-james-adomian/elon-musk-grimes-azealia-banks-w-courtney-pauroso-and-madison-shepard
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 19 August 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link
I think bringing Comedy Bang-Bang into this is just what this album cycle needed.
― ☮ (peace, man), Monday, 19 August 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link
on a tangential note, should I check out Nicole Dollanganger’s music and catch her live show? noticed she’s playing her locally pretty soon and I know Grimes has boosted her
― untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 19 August 2019 16:58 (four years ago) link
It's not her I have an issue with at all. We actually share a ton in common, especially when it comes to dating and being openly hypocritical. It's her disugsting fans that make my skin crawl. The way you guys infantalize this grown woman is an assault on my senses. Grimes is a-ok in my book.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 19 August 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
no it clearly is her you have an issue with
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 August 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
freak
Hmmm. Name-calling? Ok.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 19 August 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
Violence @ midnight !!!! pic.twitter.com/OqGQIXp6bC— ༺GRIM ≡゚S༻(⧖) (@Grimezsz) September 4, 2019
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
The Hunger Grimes
― #YABASIC (morrisp), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link
zzzzz
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:21 (four years ago) link
Cautiously optimistic
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
in that "can't believe i ever liked this schitt lol" phase
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:55 (four years ago) link
Relistened to art angels recently and was reminded Grimes fucking owns and I don’t care what dumb shit she says in interviews or which colossal idiot she dates. We Appreciate Power is great too
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 5 September 2019 03:21 (four years ago) link
Definitely. wheres the single
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 04:20 (four years ago) link
tbf she never specified which planet's midnight
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 September 2019 04:22 (four years ago) link
it's out in 2 and a half hours here: https://youtu.be/M9SGYBHY0qs
also is a collaboration with i_o who seems to be some edm guy i've never heard of?
― ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 04:26 (four years ago) link
we’ve still got a couple hours until west coast midnight!
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 04:27 (four years ago) link
So... video is cool, that neoclassical aesthetic is overdone at this point but I’ll always love it. It’s sprinkled with some k-pop vibe which fits her I suppose.
Production is good but the “i like it like that” is mixed in a way that stands out too much and it’s kind of jarring, it’s a stupid hook too but it’s catchy. It’s weird that the more she improves her production techniques, the more generic she sounds to me.
The common link between We appreciate power and this one is the chorus overstays its welcome, it’s repeated until it feels drilled into your brain. I don’t remember her previous chorus being as repetitive as these past two, or maybe there were more ideas thrown in that made me not notice it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 5 September 2019 07:20 (four years ago) link
I kinda liked WAP but this seems to be not good.
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 September 2019 07:34 (four years ago) link
Both 'We Appreciate Power' and this are more palatable to my ears than 90% of Art Angels, so a modicum of cautious optimism is in order. I do agree with Moka that the choruses are insolently repetitive but that was already true of 'Oblivion', wasn't it?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 5 September 2019 08:25 (four years ago) link
it's ok but mostly leaves me feeling like she can do a lot better. the vocal melody is nice enough but her vocals are even more indistinct than usual and don't seem to quite fit with the backing track which is very bland and anonymous (blaming i_o for this), so there's not a lot to actually grab onto. if this track were on art angels (songwriting-wise it would have been right at home, it's just the production lets it down) it would have been much more densely packed with hooks
― ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 08:47 (four years ago) link
i guess a positive is i can barely make out anything she's saying so i have no idea if the lyrics are as silly as "we appreciate power"
― ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 08:54 (four years ago) link
It’s weird that the more she improves her production techniques, the more generic she sounds to me.
― ArchCarrier, Thursday, 5 September 2019 09:21 (four years ago) link
Nothing weird about it tbh.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 5 September 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link
I haven't listened to Art Angels in a while, but on first listen one of the melodies feels lifted from one of those songs.
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 5 September 2019 11:49 (four years ago) link
i think it's just a very typically grimes melody, the sort that was all over art angels. that's not a bad thing at all, i just wish the backing was better (and i'm largely blaming her choice of collaborator, i_o, for this since his solo work sounds very similarly bland from the little i listened)
― ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 12:00 (four years ago) link
improving production at the cost of distinctiveness is a story as old as production itself
this all has a certain “jokers trick” aspect to it ...
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 5 September 2019 13:36 (four years ago) link
"my goal is to make climate change fun (lol..??)" - joker
― ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 13:40 (four years ago) link
tangentially, I did end up seeing the Grimes-boosted Nicole Dollanganger last week and it was a pretty good show!
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 14:04 (four years ago) link
this is decent but definitely more in the realm of grimes music that poppy et al. have moved into while she was between albums, and thus sounds less exciting
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 5 September 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link
I mean it's weird because supposedly the more you master something the more 'freely' you can push the limit of your knowledge. I mean Picasso had to learn and master how to paint properly first before he evolved it into his own style. According to her Visions was created in Garageband in a week since she couldn't leave her home due to a fever. Even with the rushed job and some of the presets she used it probably is her most creative and unique sounding album.
That said, I didn't know who i_o was or that he was a co-producer in this one, and apparently he is an edm producer which is a red flag in itself, so I'll also send blame of the genericness of this one his way. Is there a genre more generic than EDM in the past decade? I think that might be one of the few genres where it's extremely difficult to tell an artists production work one from another.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
it's also the difference between working on an album for 2 weeks and working on an album for 2 years
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link
But also every producer knows that you get the most interesting results out of a piece of gear the first time you use it, when you're exciting and don't really know what you're doing yet.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
usually yes
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
(exciting -> excited)
Also creating without the expectation of an audience vs the knowledge of a huge audience, and the usual curve of your technical expertise and experience going up while the number of good ideas that are most 'you' go down/get used up, etc.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
Yes those are good points. There’s a lot of pressure on her in this album’s cycle that wasn’t there before and there have been several signs, like behind the curtain drama with her label and the constant re-scheduling.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:28 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Makes me think of Brian Eno saying how deadlines and small budgets usually make for great records and how no deadlines and endless budgets don’t
― winters (josh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
My feeling is ppl are jumping to conclusions way too fast itt; this is more how I hoped “art angels” era would sound, maybe not a home run as a single but I could see being either disappointed or exciting depending on what follows ... not mad at refinement though, a lot of ilx hated “the present lover” for similar reasons & imo that album is a total classic
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:41 (four years ago) link
i personally like the track but i also don't have a particular allegiance to any single grimes style or sound or aesthetic, i'd have been disappointed if she'd stuck to a Visions template. it's hard to remember now how some of her earlier stuff found its way into chillwave threads (where even then something like "Vanessa" stood out as superior to most of the other tracks being posted and that's where i first heard of her) and it's probably good she didn't stick to a predictable path.
― omar little, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:10 (four years ago) link
Oh, I like this much more than WAP
― winters (josh), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:42 (four years ago) link
love the way this song sounds
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:43 (four years ago) link
I've listened to it a few more times and I'm enjoying it more than my first listen. I guess the reservation I really have with it is that it sounds like the coda to some longer, more fleshed out song. Which it very well could be, in context of the album, but it's a pretty irritating choice for a first single.
― ☮ (peace, man), Friday, 6 September 2019 11:12 (four years ago) link
This new song is great, easily the most I've ever enjoyed her music.
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 6 September 2019 13:38 (four years ago) link
this sounds like a good song to do the macarena to
― Non stop chantar (crüt), Friday, 6 September 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
Hmmmmmmm...
.@Grimezsz is awesome. That is all.— Andrew Yang (@AndrewYang) September 9, 2019
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 September 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link
symphonia mmxx (my wait is ubi)
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:39 (four years ago) link
Pursuing that coveted World Princess vote
― what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 02:46 (four years ago) link
Well, there's not much of a song but I still like this more than almost anything she's done since Visions (I REALLY disliked Art Angels and the following stuff).So I might be interested in her output again... that's good !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:00 (four years ago) link
i don't get the people who hated art angels but like this because this just sounds like a sketch of an art angels song to me (in a negative way not in positive realiti demo comparison lol)
― ufo, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:44 (four years ago) link
Well, I guess that's the more understated, minimalist, atmospheric/dreamy, demo aspect that I prefer in her work.I loved Visions but couldn't stand the OTT production approach of Art Angels.
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:53 (four years ago) link
Likewise.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:54 (four years ago) link
And that new track isn't great or anything. But it doesn't annoy me and is nice enough so that's already a big improvement to me !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:54 (four years ago) link
https://www.residentadvisor.net/news/44536
will relisten to hear this putative optimization!
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 3 October 2019 00:06 (four years ago) link
that show looks rad and i wish i were anywhere near miami so i could go. i had missed the new single until seeing that article. i rlly like it but i want to remix it and add a B section after the breakdown.
― davey, Thursday, 3 October 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link
unmixed/mastered version of new album has leaked, probably the closest anyone will get to ever hearing this damn thing
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 1 November 2019 09:01 (four years ago) link
why the pessimism? maybe there's something weird going on but the current excuse that they're waiting for vinyl to be pressed before releasing all formats at the same time seems plausible
― mh, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link
Is it worth the hunt?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 1 November 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link
Ok I couldn't resist. I assume the mixing is still being worked out. "So Heavy" in particular sounds like it needs some work done in there but it could sound really good.
Black Swan Blues is a nice surprise, she very rarely uses acoustic guitars as a base composition and it's also a very welcome variation in sound compared to the rest of the album.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 1 November 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link
from what I understand the leak is far from complete, not only in terms of songs but the mixing too
― flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
I ended up deleting it after a third listen. I don't like the current aesthetics of it for the most part, the whole sound she is going for in here is very outdated to my ears, it sounds to me like she's trying to beautify some of the worst musical trends of the 90's - but I recon it might improve with further mixing. Song I ended up liking the most is Black Swan Blues but it doesn't sound much like a Grimes song.
I don't know, it seems like a bit of mess tbh and I wouldn't be that surprised if it gets vaulted. I can kind of understand a bit of her previous frustration with it. There some good ideas in there but there's been so much work and time wasted on it that the simplest solution would be to vault it instead of trying to fix it and do something new. Or maybe release one first expecting it to get mixed reviews and then a second, better album a few months apart. It wouldn't be a bad marketing strategy tbh, let the critics tear you down and then lure them back in. Wasn't that the original plan? To do one for the label and another for her? Or am I misremembering how it went?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 2 November 2019 06:23 (four years ago) link
Was Turrican a Grimes fan?
― jmm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link
omg that's the link. only threads with Turrican DNA can be opened.
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH0kfH04U68
new single "so heavy i fell through the earth" is decent but feels more like a moody album track than an album opener or single?
miss anthropocene finally has a tracklist and a release date (feb 21) too
https://i.imgur.com/vE1AGZX.jpg
01 So Heavy I Fell Through the Earth (Art Mix)02 Darkseid (Grimes & 潘PAN)03 Delete Forever04 Violence (Grimes & i_o)05 4ÆM06 New Gods07 My Name is Dark08 You’ll miss me when I’m not around09 Before the fever10 IDORU
― ufo, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
― enochroot, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link
haha I was just thinking I wish she'd tack We Appreciate Power onto the record.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 15 November 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link
The deluxe version of the album includes WAP
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/534925843097714718/644893194684989488/image0.jpg
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
i like that cover
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link
is the person burning off their breast?
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 15 November 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link
Fourth World concept album??!?
― insecurity bear (sic), Friday, 15 November 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
is "adore u (beautiful game)" coming out? that was the song I did for the pre-cover album a year and a half ago
― flappy bird, Friday, 15 November 2019 21:58 (four years ago) link
this is gonna be good, I'm excited now
― winters (josh), Friday, 15 November 2019 22:24 (four years ago) link
i'd guess "adore u" is probably "IDORU"
― ufo, Friday, 15 November 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link
well that’s also the Romaji for the Japanese rendering of “IDOL”
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 15 November 2019 23:40 (four years ago) link
the leaked "adore"'s running time also matches "IDORU"
― ufo, Friday, 15 November 2019 23:58 (four years ago) link
very excited to learn that the Moodles rendition of "That's What The Drugs Are For" is now THE official version.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 16 November 2019 00:45 (four years ago) link
xxp and a William Gibson book title
― mh, Saturday, 16 November 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
it took me ages to figure out which specific new age/downtempo song "so heavy" reminded me of but I've finally got it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhSHF_GHGYk
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 17 November 2019 05:36 (four years ago) link
(the runner-up was Schiller's "I've Seen It All"; unsurprisingly I really like the grimes single, despite the past few years of grimes)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 17 November 2019 05:40 (four years ago) link
I mean there’s been a noticeable trend of Enya-house music in the past decade and Grimes was doing variations on it even before this single. I don’t think this is Grimes following trends but rather continuing on a style she had explored previously.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 17 November 2019 05:46 (four years ago) link
oh, I'm not saying she's following trends, unless the leaked album (which I haven't heard) is full of idk billie eilish ripoffs
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 17 November 2019 05:48 (four years ago) link
IDORU could also be referencing the William Gibson novel, which would be on brand with the concept of the album
― octobeard, Monday, 18 November 2019 05:25 (four years ago) link
oh goddamnit I missed mh's comment.
― octobeard, Monday, 18 November 2019 05:34 (four years ago) link
this is....fine? I like it better than most of her stuff but I'm still mystified as to what makes her so distinct from or so much more deserving of hype than loads of other acts working in a similar mode
― Simon H., Monday, 18 November 2019 08:56 (four years ago) link
like who?
― Mordy, Monday, 18 November 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link
Grimes thinks "live music is going to be obsolete soon" https://t.co/S9EnoA3fZM pic.twitter.com/No4Ei9c2CR— BrooklynVegan (@brooklynvegan) November 20, 2019
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
says the voice of silicon fascist privilege https://t.co/rsn04V7AyV— ZJ (@ZOLAJESUS) November 21, 2019
her reputation seems to have taken a bit of a hit
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
https://images.app.goo.gl/fjaU1BWo6eBVp2i16
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 21 November 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
ppl take her at face value a lot, anyway i enjoy her troll moves tbh
― omar little, Thursday, 21 November 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
Sure. It's "troll moves" when SHE does it :/
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 21 November 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
get her ass ZJ
― Simon H., Thursday, 21 November 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
xpost -- and that's the difference between her and Amanda Palmer uh hold on
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 November 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
i believe about 5% of what grimes says about anything even her own intent, it's all pretty entertaining. anyway i like ZJ but grimes >>>>> ZJ
― omar little, Thursday, 21 November 2019 18:57 (four years ago) link
I've listened to and read enough conversations that have made a similar point but not in a value-neutral wayalthough, tbh, with such a dystopian album concept or w/e I guess the commentary is semi-implicitthen again, maybe the dystopia is good?
hmm!
― mh, Thursday, 21 November 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
I guess she's to be taken seriously not literally like Thiel said about Trump?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 November 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
the kind of insight only young blood gets you
― Simon H., Thursday, 21 November 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
Troll moves are bullshit and annoying even when done by people omar little finds attractive
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 22 November 2019 00:08 (four years ago) link
I apologise, that was uncalled for. I'll shut up now.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 22 November 2019 00:10 (four years ago) link
the bad cop/good cop lego head spins at 208 rotations per second
― $1,000,000 or 1 bag of honeycrisp apples (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 November 2019 00:12 (four years ago) link
sorry 1/208
― $1,000,000 or 1 bag of honeycrisp apples (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 November 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link
I’m slowly realizing I hate all this futuristic shit. I was a huge fan of her melancholy bedroom pop—huge huge fan—and also loved her foray into exuberant art pop, which seemed life affirming and artistically brave. But this all seems weird. If it’s sincere, she’s creepy now, and if it’s a troll, what’s the point?
Speaking my truth today. I‘m just an indie fan, i don’t want to be a cyborg.
― treeship., Friday, 22 November 2019 00:17 (four years ago) link
i think she's having fun deliberately saying provocative nonsense that it's not immediately obvious how serious she is about (so trolling basically) after all the frustrations she's had with the media reporting her every word in the past
― ufo, Friday, 22 November 2019 00:30 (four years ago) link
Maybe idk. She seems really fascinating with the singularity and these types of techno-utopian ideas. Maybe it’s all an artistic conceit but who knows.
― treeship., Friday, 22 November 2019 00:33 (four years ago) link
yeah that's the thing, she's sincerely very into that stuff but it's not clear just how much. like she obviously didn't get experimental cornea replacement surgery but how much of the rest of this stuff is a bit?
― ufo, Friday, 22 November 2019 00:40 (four years ago) link
I just know it’s alienating to me as a listener
― treeship., Friday, 22 November 2019 00:45 (four years ago) link
but then again she doesn’t like pandering to audience expectations/desires, and that’s been consistent
― treeship., Friday, 22 November 2019 00:48 (four years ago) link
Ok i just listened to the newest one—i thought “violence” was the newest one.
It’s actually awesome. Still don’t like the singularity stuff but this is a great track.
― treeship., Friday, 22 November 2019 00:55 (four years ago) link
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:08 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:10 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
It’s pretty clear that she’s someone who just says shit without thinking, I mean give her a mic or some space to rant and she’ll say a bunch of wild shit because I think that’s simply how her mind operates. I do doubt she’s actually trolling as much as just rambling and having fun with her thought process, without regard for what anyone else feels about it. So she says dumb stuff like about Tesla or public transit and she dates a psychopath. I won’t comment on her attractiveness pro or con, I’ll just note your first post and tell you that you shouldn’t have apologized if you really meant it, and if you didn’t you should probably just chill because it’s just grimes.
― omar little, Friday, 22 November 2019 01:13 (four years ago) link
I mean I ain’t even mad I had a brief “what the—!” and then remembered it was the internet
― omar little, Friday, 22 November 2019 01:17 (four years ago) link
Nah, I was being a shit, but thank you for your understanding.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 22 November 2019 04:37 (four years ago) link
Forget it, my man, just don’t get the wrong idea about me and Larry Mullen Jr next time I bump a U2 thread to defend Songs of Experience.
― omar little, Friday, 22 November 2019 04:57 (four years ago) link
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 22 November 2019 07:59 (four years ago) link
Larry Mullen Jr is cute tho
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 November 2019 13:30 (four years ago) link
I think a big part of the problem is Grimes' techno-utopian shit just feels a bit naff and laughable. It's much more Sigue Sigue Sputnik/Network 7 than Blade Runner.
― Position Position, Friday, 22 November 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/43/5d/a4/435da4f0fe3fb2b6662f3ff6ca0febc6--paint-by-number-unicorn.jpg
― omar little, Friday, 22 November 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link
the finished version of this has apparently leaked now. when was the last time an album leaked this far out?
― ufo, Monday, 25 November 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link
it's... fine?
― ufo, Monday, 25 November 2019 13:27 (four years ago) link
ive come to think she's being critical of tech-utopianism but her strategy is over-identification which might be an unredeemably fraught method of critique imo
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link
maybe she's a shallow self centered person who has a platform to talk bullshit because she's good at music and dates a billionaire?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
I'd generously go with flakey over self-centered
my mind just keeps going back to the "build a boat and float down the mississippi" story
― mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
there's nothing wrong with being flakey! I have some friends like that. I probably would have a lot of reservations if they had any fame or power
― mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:36 (four years ago) link
feel like some outlandish percentage like 75% of ilm distaste for grimes is bc she dated musk for a minute. i do understand since he's pretty distasteful and esp for ilx politics/aesthetics but seems so harsh to run her down bc of a very short romance.
― Mordy, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
They broke up?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link
the real crime was breaking up w/ an ilxor tbh, we look after our own
― imago, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link
lol we definitely don't look after our own
― treeship., Monday, 25 November 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link
but anyway emil.y skewered her as a popular kid cosplaying weird a long while ago
not that any of this makes her music bad of course
― imago, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link
everything is cosplaying
― Mordy, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
granted
― imago, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
Popular kid
― omar little, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:32 (four years ago) link
Whatever happened between JB and G is probably not fair play out of respect to him at the very least
― omar little, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
they are still together and she likely just introduced that ugly ass pickup as a "hologram"she also supported his anti union stance
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
https://www.businessinsider.com/grimes-elon-musk-cybertruck-unveil-as-cybergirl-2019-11
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:38 (four years ago) link
If you look at some of her interviews/blog entries in the past she's always been kind of dorky and had some immature opinions on pretty much everything. It was sort of cute and on-brand earlier in her career because she was younger and it felt sincere because there was a childlike wonder to her music. Now she's in her 30's and dating billionaires so it doesn't feel cute or sincere anymore, it feels willfully naive and there's a backlash to show it, she is in heavy need of some rewiring.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
i thought they had broken up but ok i still think it's not v relevant to evaluating her as an artist
― Mordy, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
"she is in heavy need of some rewiring"
― Mordy, Monday, November 25, 2019 9:59 AM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i won mordy bingo when i got to “ilx politics/aesthetics,” anyone else
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
Well, isn't she a cyborg?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
I still think she's is immensely talented and one of the best artists this decade, but I think she's wasting the spotlight and what should be her prime years as an artist in this album's cycle.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
just played label new music they rly dig it so hopefully smthn soon 😛— ༺GRIM ≡゚S༻ (@Grimezsz) December 16, 2017
― ☮ (peace, man), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
Grimes has zero good ideas, end of story, lock thread, etc
― 💠 (crüt), Monday, 25 November 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link
@ ums i mean you're probably right. im trying to be charitable, as someone who has veered from admiration to disgust re: this project. her press release about optimizing her creative process and recent comments about how we are moving towards a sort of baudrillardian simulacrum existence for me was a glimmer of hope that she is subverting some of this shit, but ... you're probably right
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Monday, 25 November 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
She should make a black metal album. Fans are used to overlooking politically problematic lyrics.
― o. nate, Monday, 25 November 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
we should probably just have one thread where we tell all the female artists how they should be conducting their careers.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 25 November 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
tbf I'd find Elon Musk a little more entertaining if he was some random local dude who had goofy ideas instead of a billionaire who likes being a celebrity. kind of a social responsibility to live up to when your influence extends beyond your reach
― mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
i'd be more tolerant of her ridiculous antics and embarrassing choice of partner if her music was still as great as it was a few years ago. the new album isn't bad but it's hard to feel excited about
as was said upthread she said plenty of poorly thought out ridiculous things before but that was much more endearing when she wasn't dating a tech billionaire who represents the worst of those sort of tech futurist ideas
― ufo, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:43 (four years ago) link
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, November 25, 2019 3:22 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Congratulations you’ve cracked the code
― treeship., Tuesday, 26 November 2019 01:03 (four years ago) link
how about one thousand posts where I tell everyone that Grimes is a dick
― 💠 (crüt), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 01:11 (four years ago) link
― Mordy, Monday, November 25, 2019 11:59 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink in what way is this an ilm thing and not a common experience among music types in general
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 03:14 (four years ago) link
Listened to it today. It's not bad! Singles are great and IDORU is good too. Definitely sounds like an unfinished mix/master. Vocal recording/performance and production is the best she's done to this point. Production behind those vocals sounds fairly generic and uninspired compared to her earlier albums. If they can flesh that out, it's a solid record
― octobeard, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 01:30 (four years ago) link
I liked IDORU a lot. the album is good, but I'll most likely wait until the thing is actually out before I spend more time with it.
― fffv, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 01:47 (four years ago) link
the interviews with LDR and Brit Marling were pretty interesting. She has interesting and intelligent things to say.
― akm, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:40 (four years ago) link
"she dated musk for a minute." she's still dating him so it's been a very long minute
― akm, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
Reversing the ravages of age seemed like a lot to hope for, but what we did get was a shipping container-based art installation called AI Meditations. Created by Grimes in collaboration with technologist Matt Aimonetti, a sign at the entrance explained that it had been developed as an alternative meditation tool for those who disagree with the received wisdom that nature is inherently calming. “If you’ve grown up with the internet, your natural home is the digital realm,” it read. “As a cyborg, too much exposure to nature and peace can cause feelings of disconnection, making meditation through traditional avenues difficult.”
this is pretty funny. i'm back on the train
― treeship., Friday, 6 December 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
Get ready to be transported to a @CyberpunkGame future with a performance by @Grimezsz at #TheGameAwards! 🤖 pic.twitter.com/GizjHAccpc— The Game Awards (@thegameawards) December 13, 2019
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― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 December 2019 03:35 (four years ago) link
if you like this, cool, but then you must also like track #14 on every mp3.com best of the month CD-ROM from 2002 as well
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 December 2019 03:38 (four years ago) link
sorry, i'm being rude. tripping balls with mike huckabee
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 December 2019 03:40 (four years ago) link
As opposed to track #12, which is CFCF's Liquid Colours.
― MarkoP, Friday, 13 December 2019 03:59 (four years ago) link
not that there's anything wrong with that
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 December 2019 04:04 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGwmFIphNcg
incapable of not loving this
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 16 December 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link
i'm gonna like this record so much :(
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 16 December 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
We're all going to become libertarian billionaires after this
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 December 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
that's the hell that grimes' current musical output implies, yes.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 16 December 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link
She's forcing our hands!
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 December 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
she's forcing something, that's for sure. . .
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 16 December 2019 23:10 (four years ago) link
Everything from the new one is pretty great, stoked if We Appreciate power will wind up as a bonus track though the site I just checked didn’t have it on any edition but maybe their info is incorrect.
― omar little, Monday, 16 December 2019 23:26 (four years ago) link
https://youtu.be/57cHzg9lszE
And the cyberpunk performance.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 06:03 (four years ago) link
zzzzzzzzz
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 06:54 (four years ago) link
I'm not going to link to Grimes' Tweet, which is presumably meant to announce she is carrying Elon Musk's child. Feel free to search it out yourselves, if you dare.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link
tbc, it's nsfw.
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 23:14 (four years ago) link
tbc it’s lol
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 23:59 (four years ago) link
prudes
🪐🗡_ pic.twitter.com/3WXN1H22Mz— ༺GRIM ≡゚S༻ (@Grimezsz) January 8, 2020
― 57mg/20floz, Thursday, 9 January 2020 00:00 (four years ago) link
What do the stupid emojis mean?
― ☮️ (peace, man), Thursday, 9 January 2020 09:37 (four years ago) link
Boomer-ing post.
― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 9 January 2020 11:24 (four years ago) link
Title OTM:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvzC8MmC850
― enochroot, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:37 (four years ago) link
dang this is like the 7th song on a CMJ covermound cd from 1998
― adam, Thursday, 13 February 2020 02:31 (four years ago) link
I'm hearing some sonic nods to Nashville (mainstream country not the rootsy No Depression type stuff) that would've been pretty unusual for a '98 CMJ song.
― o. nate, Thursday, 13 February 2020 02:50 (four years ago) link
the way she records guitars sounds so terrible
― ufo, Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:13 (four years ago) link
I can't hear it over the sound of my DGAF
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:34 (four years ago) link
I hear “Wonderwall”
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:36 (four years ago) link
i think modern mainstream country shares a similar hamfisted sonic aesthetic with both this song and 1998 major label alterna-landfill for sure
― adam, Thursday, 13 February 2020 12:31 (four years ago) link
The banjos really push it from "delete" to "delete forever"
― enochroot, Thursday, 13 February 2020 12:55 (four years ago) link
unsurprisingly i like this. weird record
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:09 (four years ago) link
― ufo, Wednesday, February 12, 2020 8:13 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
not hearing that with this one. it really does sound like a cut-up "wonderwall" sample
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:18 (four years ago) link
I can’t unhear the wonderwall now. I like it better towards the end, and it’s good that it stays short. The video is interesting - her hands look terrifying and it must be pretty noisy there in the actual shoot with all the fans blowing.
― Manitobiloba (Kim), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:21 (four years ago) link
I was about to post “ unsurprisingly I like this” so brad otm
― omar little, Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link
(I’m sure some of the background isn’t actually there, but at least on my phone, it’s hard to tell how much)
― Manitobiloba (Kim), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/rmdSx.gif
― circa1916, Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:32 (four years ago) link
― o. nate, Wednesday, February 12, 2020 8:50 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
i don't get this at all, how does it relate to Alan Jackson or Brooks and Dunn who were mainstream country in 98
i mean basically taking an indie rock song and adding some superficial banjo and pedal steel
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, February 13, 2020 9:09 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
how is it weird??? if this wasn't grimes and just some b-list indie rock singer who got a song placed in a commercial one time none of you would even give this the time of day!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:40 (four years ago) link
I mean at this point whether its cod 98 pop alt indie or cod Orgy singles all this stuff being interesting is only interesting in the light of it being by Grimes and how invested you are in the fact that Grimes is interesting and important and therefore the stuff she does is interesting because it either plays into the existing Grimes mythos or goes against them
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link
man i don't even want to like this album, it's just happening
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link
if you want to assume anything about my investment in grimes: the persona, let me assure you i have absolutely none
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:43 (four years ago) link
none investment
I think you underestimate the extent to which Brad likes cod 98 pop alt indie.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:43 (four years ago) link
and for the record cod orgy singles are inherently interesting to me and resonate perfectly with my taste
xp with markop, who knows me
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:44 (four years ago) link
if this wasn't grimes and just some b-list indie rock singer who got a song placed in a commercial one time none of you would even give this the time of day!
also i just think this is a well-written song! it's got a great chorus! but please continue to assume how i'd feel about it if this weren't grimes (probably... better????)
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link
okay sorry Brad that was bad faith but i'm just...like....mystified...just absolutely mystified why this is better than any random ass bullshit on some "Indie Coffehouse Morning" Spotify playlist
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
admittedly when i said "weird" i meant it was weird for her, but i also think it works as like a political song for miley cyrus to sing, and makes for a song that collides oddly with yet complements the other songs she's put out from this record, the thesis of which seems to be the world ended in the '90s (agreed)
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
She seems as bored in the video for this song as she probably was recording this album.
When the leak came out this was one of the songs I liked the best - called “black swan blues” in the demo version - if only for how different it sounded to the whole thing, but in retrospective it has the same sort of problem that every song in Miss Anthropocene has; hollow, overlong and without great ideas going on. She used to be brilliant in creating a sense of progression and dynamics out of loop based songs but every song on this album just seems to be going nowhere and it would be less noticeable if this thing sounded better but this is awfully mixed. I thought the leak sounded terrible and I deleted it because I was waiting for the final version to fix it but it didn’t. This still sounds bad.
I really wanted to like this as I think she had an almost flawless streak of albums prior to this one, but this only has two or three songs I like. I feel like the excitement and that childlike wonder she had making music is missing from this album. I’m not sure what I’d like to hear from a mature, adult Grimes but this isn’t it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 13 February 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link
all this stuff being interesting is only interesting in the light of it being by Grimes and how invested you are in the fact that Grimes is interesting and important and therefore the stuff she does is interesting because it either plays into the existing Grimes mythos or goes against them― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 13, 2020 7:42 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 13, 2020 7:42 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
tbh this is an argument that could be made against any popular musician, it is impossible to have a reaction about something without context. which is why ppl are freaking out over grimes in the other direction as well instead of simply not being into the music that much.
― omar little, Thursday, 13 February 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
i don't like it, but i think brad is right that it's a bit weird, not just weird for grimes. despite the song, the production isn't doing the naturalistic alt-indie singer-songwriter thing, it's hollowed-out, guitars and vox are tinny and weak and all the heft is in the low end with most of the warm mids scooped out. probably why it sounds poorly mixed to moka. i assume the effect is intentional considering grimes' production experience, but i guess might also just be that she's coming at recording acoustic instruments from a diy electronic background
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 13 February 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link
I mean...
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:53 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I don't think that's true! Some songs are just undeniable! Like you could not be interested or invested in Lizzo but you hear "Truth Hurts" and... That's a hit. Or I already found Kanye annoying at best (not yet repellent) but when I heard Black Skinhead I was like dang that's a song
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 17:09 (four years ago) link
reminds me of working at Barnes and Noble when we had the Portland Cafe Putomayo comp on in-store play
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 13 February 2020 17:12 (four years ago) link
Or something closer to this song, I'm a non-believer in Taylor Swift but I checked out Red because of ILM and heard All Too Well and all you can say is that is a great well written, well recorded, well arranged song
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 17:14 (four years ago) link
i was overstating it but i think context is very important in terms of "ok here's a new song by this artist i have an opinion about" and that informs the reaction. but yeah sure some songs are undeniable. i guess which explains why for probably everyone there's been a reaction we had to a song based on certain expectations, that wound up being different than the reaction we have much later when our expectations are different, or gone, or removed from the context.
i liked black skinhead when i heard it in the Wolf of Wall St trailer, didn't know it was Kanye.
― omar little, Thursday, 13 February 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
I don’t know if it’s those celtic sounding violins at the end but this sounds to me inspired by The Corrs, not Nashville.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 13 February 2020 17:17 (four years ago) link
i really like this song. maybe idk enough about 1998 indie rock but it doesn't sound that straightforward to me? the chorus is a drone and the production is kind of in its own world. if i heard this w/o context i would think that the artist is clearly trying to show a reimagined, decayed version of the original thing.
can someone post the 1998 indie rock songs that sound like this
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 February 2020 20:18 (four years ago) link
sounds like she just mixed it using eq plugin presets
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link
not indie rock jordan like alternative radio station annual festival second stage stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nntd2fgMUYw
― adam, Thursday, 13 February 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link
right but the grimes song doesn't *actually* sound like that in anything except the most surface level ways
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 February 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link
It's a good song, but I agree w Moka that the production/mix sounds awful (and not "interesting," the way I assume it's meant to sound).
― You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link
Like, if this were actually "some b-list indie rock singer who got a song placed in a commercial one time" or "random ass bullshit on some "Indie Coffehouse Morning" Spotify playlist," it would probably be even better b/c it would have "professional"-sounding production.
― You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
for what it's worth I would like this all right if it were some random singer trying to be dolores o'riordan, which it could be
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 14 February 2020 02:41 (four years ago) link
there's no way the wonderwall nod isn't intentional
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Friday, 14 February 2020 04:23 (four years ago) link
the mixing on this record is a little wonky but i kind of love that, there's a really out-of-body dissociated feeling she maintains through the length of the album and i think it sounds great, especially on "so heavy." though the electric guitars do still sound like left-on vacuum cleaners
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:03 (four years ago) link
easily her best record for me
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link
"idoru" is just... where did that come from
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:25 (four years ago) link
Idoru is one of the best ones in here I agree
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link
the instrumental of "darkseid" confirms she's been listening to as much skinny puppy lately as i have
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
excited to pick this up Friday
― omar little, Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
Halfway through this, and 4æm is the first song I won't delete forever. Even if it does sound like the kind of d'n'b interlude bands like Oasis would use to fill out the runtime of a CD back in the late nineties. Other than that, this is really boring.
― Frederik B, Friday, 21 February 2020 09:13 (four years ago) link
i'm a bit surprised it hasn't gotten widely panned. it's not thaat bad but it's still a real disappointment and factoring in her heel turn made a huge backlash seem pretty likely to me
it's not even fun to dislike it unfortunately
― ufo, Friday, 21 February 2020 09:23 (four years ago) link
It's perhaps slightly better than feared? Ok final track. But mostly it reminds me how much great and thoughtful pop is happening at the moment.
― Frederik B, Friday, 21 February 2020 09:43 (four years ago) link
even the stronger tracks like "idoru" are let down by the strangely amateurish mix and sound design
― ufo, Friday, 21 February 2020 09:53 (four years ago) link
The album reminded me of the time a friend of mine said that Miley Cyrus was more artistically daring than Beyoncé, because she worked with the Flaming Lips
― Frederik B, Friday, 21 February 2020 09:55 (four years ago) link
i like the melody of "you'll miss me when i'm not around" a lot but it feels a bit slight overall. there's some interesting stuff happening in the background but it never quite commits to any of it
― ufo, Friday, 21 February 2020 10:00 (four years ago) link
This is good and everyone except Brad is wrong.
― Matt DC, Friday, 21 February 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link
Another thing that struck me is this whole idea of celebrating climate change, isn't that what California did already?
― Frederik B, Friday, 21 February 2020 10:38 (four years ago) link
it was a shame the completely bonkers concept she talked about in interviews basically didn't end up coming through at all
― ufo, Friday, 21 February 2020 10:40 (four years ago) link
That seems good actually
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 21 February 2020 12:28 (four years ago) link
Pitchfork Best New Music? And Brad likes it? Sigh... I guess I have to give this album a fair chance now. (and here i thought "delete forever" was the final straw....)
― enochroot, Friday, 21 February 2020 13:42 (four years ago) link
warning i now think "delete forever" is the best grimes song
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 21 February 2020 13:44 (four years ago) link
xp: With all love and respect to one of my favorite posters, please name something Brad doesn't like.
― ☮️ (peace, man), Friday, 21 February 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link
heh, the pitchfork review is the rare BNW that is also a burn
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link
The disjunction between the disembodiment and the explicit riffage is enticing so far.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:14 (four years ago) link
This is pretty good, it's the kind of album a Visions fan may have imagined her making with a bigger budget. If you prefer the turn she took with Art Angels towards massive energetic hooks, this may be a bit too much reverb-soaked meandering.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link
This might end up being a grower for me but at the moment I find the sound design and mixing in general very offputting.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 February 2020 17:13 (four years ago) link
i've spent months with it and it hasn't grown on me at all
― ufo, Friday, 21 February 2020 17:20 (four years ago) link
First listen made me want to listen to Visions.
― Indexed, Friday, 21 February 2020 17:32 (four years ago) link
it's closer to Visions than it is to ArtAngels, a more slick and metallic version of the former. Really good at first pass (i never heard the leak). There's a deluxe version out there w/We Appreciate Power and several other tracks, which i don't think is seeing a CD/vinyl release unfortunately.
― omar little, Friday, 21 February 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link
Ugh hearing IDORU and I’m getting annoyed by the lack of mid sounds. It sounds so hollow, like a really long intro. I’m waiting for the sound to have some muscle and it never does. I’ll assume it’s a conscious aesthetic choice but it’s perplexing to me why you’d like your songs to sound so skeletal.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 February 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link
I love Art Angels and Visions and the tracks in between but I'm just really not feeling this one aside from 2 or 3 tracks that I kind of like.
― gman59, Friday, 21 February 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
perhaps this will be the death knell of the hipster obsession with cold corporate visual and sound design. mids are what the human ear hears best so it makes sense she got rid of em for more impeccably “post human” vibe but that shit is increasingly played out, the whole accelerationist obsession with mutability is feeling like missing the point
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Friday, 21 February 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link
sounds really good on airpods. #masteredforairpods ?
― mh, Friday, 21 February 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link
i just got my first pair of knockoff airbuds (their true name) in the mail yesterday! i will give this a listen on their intended format
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 February 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link
perhaps this will be the death knell of the hipster obsession with cold corporate visual and sound design
yes, a few critical posts on ilx and it's all over
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link
but will we use our power for good or evil?
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
I get the sense that this is meant to be listened to on large speakers as loud as possible
― winters (josh), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link
Ok I'm listening to this now despite all my resolutions not to and it's not terrible sounding at all? Sounds like grimes. I'm about halfway through and really wish there were stronger hooks, but production-wise its Grimes doing what she does best. Five years on from Art Angels though, I think it confirms that I'm just not that into her anymore. Like, my interest in her style has definitely passed.
― ☮️ (peace, man), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:25 (four years ago) link
starting to think that while ol’ grimey has a skill for tunes and visual aesthetics she might not be the brightest bulb
hm pic.twitter.com/QxbAOUJmZc— large sarah the size of a small sarah (@SarahNEmerson) February 21, 2020
― mh, Friday, 21 February 2020 23:34 (four years ago) link
She did a Q&A on twitch today as Ocarina_of_Grimes, it was pretty rough going.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 21 February 2020 23:40 (four years ago) link
This is almost impressively forgettable. Everything about it feels uninspired. Be cool if there were some hooks, not a lot to hold onto here besides some flimsy sounding production work that seems well below her talents. And I don’t really care if it’s an intentional Bold Aesthetic Decision if the result is this boring.
― circa1916, Saturday, 22 February 2020 00:40 (four years ago) link
I’ve always dug We Appreciate Power but I guess that’s not even on the album proper.
― circa1916, Saturday, 22 February 2020 00:43 (four years ago) link
People are complaining about the guitars but honestly so many people have been recoding guitars so badly for so long now that I dunno why you'd single Grimes out here?
That organ sound at the beginning of UDORU though fucking hell.
This does sound good in general on big speakers though. A lot of it sounds like it was made from reclaimed sounds from 1999 bargain bins though, made explicit when it lurches into drum and bass midway through, plus all those moody beats and processed guitars. I kinda like that about it though, and she's bringing enough new to the table that it's not just big Sneaker Pimps energy.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 22 February 2020 11:14 (four years ago) link
it's really just "delete forever" where the guitars stick out horribly, it's not just that they're badly recorded but they don't sonically fit with everything else which is worse than if everything is badly recorded but in a way that's at least cohesive. i tend to dislike her vocals and some of the drum and synth sounds more on other tracks, but there's also tracks that hold together well like "so heavy i felt through the earth".
the rest of the guitar sounds aren't that bad but aren't particularly good either (except "so heavy i fell through the earth" where they do their job). i think i'd like it more if the guitar sounds committed more to rocking i guess, like "we appreciate power" worked a lot better than most of these tracks while "my name is dark" and "you'll miss me when i'm not just around" just kinda plod along
― ufo, Saturday, 22 February 2020 11:25 (four years ago) link
Might start telling people that's Elon Musk playing the Wonderwall guitar on Delete Forever.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 22 February 2020 11:53 (four years ago) link
Odds of that are maybe 50/50. What drugs do you think they’re ripping? I think this is a drug album but I’m not sure which drug.
― circa1916, Saturday, 22 February 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link
'Violence' and 'Idoru' are highlights, 'My Name Is Dark' as well maybe. The rest just kind of lazily drones on and doesn't leave much of an impression.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Saturday, 22 February 2020 13:13 (four years ago) link
I thought "Flesh Without Blood" and "Kill V. Maim" were supreme jams, but nothing else I've heard from her has made any impression. Should I bother with the new one?
― pet friendly (Euler), Saturday, 22 February 2020 13:42 (four years ago) link
it’s a nootropics album
Lol brad touché what I meant was an ultimate stylistic dead end for the sort of highlighted artificiality aesthetic
it’s also interesting to think about some of the discourse here as a case study for how poptimism can force an artificial equivalency between corporate marketing and artistic intent
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Saturday, 22 February 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
― circa1916, Saturday, 22 February 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link
what does that mean, exactly? music for people who take nootropics?
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:15 (four years ago) link
-insert obvious spacemen 3 joke here-
it’s an album for people who post on nootropics message boards maybe lol
― mh, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link
Album whips ass
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:39 (four years ago) link
does it?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:42 (four years ago) link
But does it whip a camel’s ass?
― brimstead, Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:52 (four years ago) link
sorry, llama’s
― brimstead, Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link
I’m suspecting that BNM was payola.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:55 (four years ago) link
boy, the last few paragraphs of that review are really… something
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:06 (four years ago) link
I guess if Grimes is going to announce a big “concept,” she’s inviting that kind of discourse in response... but oof
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:08 (four years ago) link
I'm pretty happy to listen to this music without ever considering some goofy concept
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:16 (four years ago) link
Me too (well I haven’t listened to it yet), but apparently the net worth of the man she’s dating is relevant info for an album review!
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:20 (four years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, February 22, 2020 2:55 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
the album is getting fairly widespread acclaim (accurately scored, because it's good) so idk...i mean ILM has been the one place i've seen more negative than positive comments. it sounds consistent w/her career trend and while at this point it's no art angels it's also pretty interesting and detailed in ways that i picked up more on vinyl than when i streamed it yesterday.
i think there were those who were disappointed w/her pop move a few years ago and this is moving back towards Visions but in a bleaker way which i find pretty compelling, so i'm not surprised it pleases a lot of those folks (at least several i've talked to IRL who maybe were slightly put off by AA).
― omar little, Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link
They also named who King Krule is dating in that review.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:27 (four years ago) link
the meandering Moodles mentioned is one of its pluses
― omar little, Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:27 (four years ago) link
I don't think BNM is worth paying for anymore
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:47 (four years ago) link
“It’s a lament about the ways in which women are domesticated through patriarchal forms of control. “Specifically how when a dude cums inside you, you become in their thrall,” she said in an April 2019 interview, alluding to her relationship with Musk, who is now thought to be the father of her expected child.”Best/worst part of that Pfork review.
― circa1916, Sunday, 23 February 2020 00:00 (four years ago) link
pretty sure that’s weird MRA shit recycled ironically but.. not ironically? getting strong overtones of that Simpsons scene with the kids not knowing if they’re being ironic anymore
― mh, Sunday, 23 February 2020 01:47 (four years ago) link
i like it more than AA overall tho best of AA are some of my fav songs of hers
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 23 February 2020 04:47 (four years ago) link
I am one of those folks but at least Art Angels achieved what it set out to do. Miss Anthropocene sounds unpleasantly awkward to my ears, barring the couple of tracks I singled out upthread, so while the aesthetic sidestep is welcome, the songwriting has gone downhill.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Sunday, 23 February 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, February 22, 2020 3:39 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
finally someone is otm
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 February 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link
― omar little, Sunday, 23 February 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link
Songs are great, best vocals and treatments I think she's done yet, love love love the singles and IDORU, the production/mixing/compression is quite shit. Thought it would get fixed for the official release, but it wasn't. However, so the production from every single Tyler the Creater album is shit. Most every early to mid µ-ziq record has tons of analog distortion all over the place. So does Aphex Twin's I Care Because You Do. The compression and mixing of Kendrick Lamar/Mike Will's DNA is also jank. My point is that the album is still good, despite the shite mixing. I'll just refrain from listening to it on my nicer headphones and blast it in the car more instead.
― octobeard, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link
there isn't anything on those records that sounds as awkward as the guitar & vocals on "delete forever" or the synths on "idoru" among many other things
art angels didn't have the most polished production in the world but the tracks still felt sonically cohesive enough and she largely made her vocal approach work. miss anthropocene feels shambolic in comparison
one track that hasn't gotten much discussion so far is "before the fever" which i think is actually pretty cool.
― ufo, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link
My biggest criticism is I wish it was longer
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 February 2020 00:05 (four years ago) link
I can’t relate to anything ufo is saying, it’s like I read the words but they’re detached from any meaning I could readily apply to this album
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 February 2020 00:07 (four years ago) link
Like, “shambolic”?? This is her most polished album
I am going to relisten w the mixing concerns in mind. I will admit it did share some feeling that the mix doesn’t feel quite as enveloping as it could. But not substantially difft than earlier stuff ... feel like better mixing would only increase ppl criticizing the “guitar sound” or whatever it is bc it reminds them of some distant pop song they were forced to hear
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 February 2020 00:09 (four years ago) link
"idoru" and "delete forever" sound polished??? this album pretty universally has her worst-sounding vocals too
the guitar sound on "delete forever" doesn't particularly remind me of anything it just sounds bad. i get the "wonderwall" comparison but that's not about the way it's recorded or anything, if that's what you're referring to.
― ufo, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:13 (four years ago) link
lol what's with the scare quotes around "guitar sound"hello Mr. Guitar....if that is your real name
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 February 2020 00:16 (four years ago) link
this album pretty universally has her worst-sounding vocals too
Wow, agree to massively disagree on this point. These are her best vocals I've heard on anything she's done. One of the things I disliked about her last was how she utilized her voice creatively and texturally and that it just wasn't to my subjective preferences.
Another thing - while we might be complaining about the mixing to death here, I mentioned those other records above because while some of them sound even worse than this record, like Tyler's last couple, and even Earl Sweatshirt's last one, they never got the scrutiny this is getting. It's like everyone's just trying to find something wrong with it so they can justify their dislike of Grimes now.
― octobeard, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:21 (four years ago) link
I'm kinda done with Earl but yeah sounds like shit
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 February 2020 00:27 (four years ago) link
i did hate the way the last tyler album sounded (though i had no real problems with flower boy) but that at least felt like a deliberate stylistic choice rather than sounding as amateurish and unpolished as some of the tracks on this.
it's not all bad though, "so heavy", "4aem" and "before the fever" all sound fine.
― ufo, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:36 (four years ago) link
based on what a lot of ppl itt who had heard it ahead of time were saying I was steeling myself for the possibility that maybe it was some sort of incompetent tuneless mess but I just don’t hear it at all, I hear it as a very accomplished and natural sounding follow up to her previous work and I think a lot of the negative discourse around the album (here but also elsewhere and in the twitterverse) really is related to extracurricular stuff. I’m not singling anyone specific out nor am I saying this is why everyone is criticizing it but the consensus in this thread does not jibe with this album whatsoever imo.
― omar little, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:36 (four years ago) link
my disappointment really has nothing to do with the extracurricular stuff, i was really hoping it would be great despite all that but she didn't deliver. i wouldn't even say it's an incompetent tuneless mess, just disappointing and frustrating between the relative lack of hooks and jarring production.
― ufo, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:43 (four years ago) link
I’ve been a pretty big fan of her stuff but I have yet to listen this. Been pretty apprehensive tbh. Right about now I’m well drunk and high enough that I’m about to give it a shot.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 24 February 2020 00:58 (four years ago) link
i wasn't huge on "we appreciate power" at the time and still think the lyrics are terrible but it's ended up being one of the strongest things from this album. i think "my name is dark" and "you'll miss me" would be much better if the guitars had that sort of crunch to them
― ufo, Monday, 24 February 2020 02:05 (four years ago) link
I can't make sense of these opinions yet, which I appreciate.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2020 02:17 (four years ago) link
I really want to like it but I just can’t get too far with it. I still can’t get behind the way it sounds. I’ll revisit it around june/july to see if I’m in a different mindset and with a better soundsystem.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:32 (four years ago) link
It “lacks hooks”?? Words have no meaning for you lol
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 February 2020 07:08 (four years ago) link
Maybe it would come across as more confidently itself to skeptics if it were longer. I’d like it to be ... more. Literally the only thing I can find to complain abt
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 February 2020 07:09 (four years ago) link
only relatively, i'm not saying it's tuneless or anything but it's not really as densely packed with hooks as art angels or even visions. even ignoring all the issues i have with the production i'm just not that into this batch of songs. here's how id classify my feelings about them:
decent but i don't really feel strongly about:so heavy i fell through the earth4aembefore the feveryou'll miss me when i'm not around
would be pretty good with better mixing/production:delete foreveridoru
meh:darkseidnew godsmy name is darkviolence
― ufo, Monday, 24 February 2020 07:45 (four years ago) link
My name is dark is my fav song on the album 🥴
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 February 2020 08:02 (four years ago) link
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― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 February 2020 08:03 (four years ago) link
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― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 February 2020 08:05 (four years ago) link
Darkseid is great and putting it so early in the tracklisting is evidence that the album is going out of its way to stick out at awkward angles.
Her voice remains paper thin but there's something really interesting about the vocal melodies on this album, then again I think Grimes is at her least interesting when she making more or less conventional pop hooks (cf Realiti do not @ me).
― Matt DC, Monday, 24 February 2020 08:10 (four years ago) link
which version tho
― or something, Monday, 24 February 2020 11:53 (four years ago) link
poll
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 24 February 2020 12:06 (four years ago) link
I love the drums on "My Name is Dark."
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link
I’m finding it fine overall but I have a thing for “reverb albums” which this sure as shit is. Sounds pretty familiar tho, and the “digital faerie” schtick feels about as fresh as steampunk.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 24 February 2020 12:35 (four years ago) link
If anything to me this album sounds too polished (caveat - on two listens, one in the kitchen, one while walking to work), in that any issues I have with the sound come from instruments being so compressed that they basically disappear into a wall of sound. I'm pretty certain that's a deliberate aesthetic decision, though. Grimes has never been interested in her music sounding 'real' anymore tha she has been in her image looking 'real'. She's all about unrealiti.
Early take is that I quite enjoyed this, and want to listen to it again. I like that it's not as stridently pop and hook-reliant as Art Angels, it feels like it might reward the kind of repeated, almost ambient listening that Visions really benefitted from.
Those tinny guitar chords are like the most Oasis chords I've heard in years, which is v funny. I am very happy with the idea that Elon might have played them.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 24 February 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link
“This album is too polished”“This album is too shambolic”
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:08 (four years ago) link
this sounds like a Moby album
specifically, Everything Is Wrong
― pet friendly (Euler), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link
Love this album and don’t really have any issues with the production, but then I am pretty much the opposite of an audiophile.
― Tim F, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
Haha it kinda does sound like it was produced by Moby in 1995 though.
Euler otm (also: lol).
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
Delete Forever sounds better w/repeated listens. I like that it's a slightly cut-up, uncanny valley, highly fraught take on this sort of song. It has seemingly generic parts but not a generic execution.
― omar little, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
I would say from first listens that "My Name Is Dark" is easily the strongest song here (and one of her best)
― winters (josh), Monday, 24 February 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link
but then I am pretty much the opposite of an audiophile.
― Tim F, Monday, February 24, 2020 2:12 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
you're too big a get physical fan for this to be totally true lol
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:09 (four years ago) link
I like this on first listen, it holds my attention more than some of her previous stuff. "Violence" kind of sounds like a deconstructed version of Euasure's "Chains of Love"... that's my big insight/contribution for the day.
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:22 (four years ago) link
the Garbage lyric ref in "My Name Is Dark" ("stupid girl") seems like a nicely direct ref to the album's main era of inspiration.
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:33 (four years ago) link
but then I am pretty much the opposite of an audiophile.― Tim F, Monday, February 24, 2020 2:12 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglinkyou're too big a get physical fan for this to be totally true lol― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:09 (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:09 (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I suppose how it breaks down for me is that I am obsessed with arrangements but have never really cared about having high quality speakers, headphones etc, so I'm not typically offended by music which self-proclaimed audiophiles claim falls flat on those grounds.
I can definitely hear that this album's sound (esp. the percussion) feels both deliberately hollowed out and compressed, and I can see how this tends to reduce or interfere with the listener's ability to really appreciate the layering in real time, certainly on the first few listens (by way of example, some of the rhythm tracks are pretty complex, but they don't exactly call attention to themselves in that regard).
But this feels pretty consistent with the general approach on some of the back-half of Visions - something that may be obscured if one's recollection of that album reduces to like "Genesis" and "Oblivion".
― Tim F, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:37 (four years ago) link
Yeah there are def. some similarities to the production values of the first Garbage album (not the second).
― Tim F, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:38 (four years ago) link
I’ve seen a few reviews which have pretty amateurishly criticized this for not being a clear and focused assessment of the climate crisis when it seems obvious that the subject matter was more an inspiration and gave her a direction in ways that are not present in the lyrics vs her doing a Neil Young Monsanto Years thing.
One review I read criticized Darkseid for not having much in the way of lyrical content and quoted Grimes’ part as evidence......
Reading some of the takedowns and I think writers again should stop trying to treat lyrics as the whole truth of the matter and stop criticizing an album for what it’s not content wise vs what it is. Which still doesn’t make sense bc it feels like a progression from the more desolate sounding parts of Visions so you’d think people wouldn’t be shocked by how it sounds.
― omar little, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 01:09 (four years ago) link
Yeah - the idea of dinging this album b/c the stated "concept" doesn't come thru is laughable (I mean, it doesn't, but who gaf... Grimes fans, I guess?)
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 01:23 (four years ago) link
also basically every concept album ever loses the thread midway through at best, why should Grimes be any different?
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 01:28 (four years ago) link
― Tim F, Monday, February 24, 2020 7:38 PM
I don't hear it at all. The first Garbage boasted a real clarity, and, just to be clear, I don't view "clarity" as a virtue. The back of this album reminds me of a denser, thicker Art Angels. Less replete with hooks, although you may count the distorted harmonies as hooks (I do). It is, however, foolish to discount listeners looking for a "Realiti" or "Flesh Without Blood." "You'll Miss Me When I'm Not Around" and "My Name Is Dark" come close, though.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 01:58 (four years ago) link
I mostly meant in the way that the guitars and the electronics tend to bleed into another a lot, though some of the album tracks may be a better example of that than, like, "Queer" or something.
In my head I could imagine the third Curve album being an even closer reference point but other than the use of "Chinese Burn" on Buffy I haven't revisited that album in over twenty years.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 03:48 (four years ago) link
have finally heard this album, which I generally like to really like but is definitely patchy in quality
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 04:20 (four years ago) link
I don't hear curve at all except maybe "you'll miss me when I'm not around," which is mixed the exact opposite as a curve song would be
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 04:34 (four years ago) link
I agree this sort of sounds like produced by Moby pre-play but I don’t agree it sounds like Garbage’s debut. That one actually sounds good.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 05:19 (four years ago) link
This doesn’t sound like Garbage but it does sound like garbage
: >
There I made a joke.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 05:23 (four years ago) link
I think it’s cool that contemporary artists are putting a new spin on that mid/late-‘90s sound; I personally feel like it never reached its full potential back in the actual era.
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 05:41 (four years ago) link
Heavy compression as aesthetic (as opposed to hamfisted mastering) has been a thing for years now - Oneohtrix, Arca, the first Twigs album etc etc. Sounds pureed and fused together into a veneer - this is definitely deliberate and it works here.
Sounds like shit when there's just one sound in the mix admittedly but that hardly ever happens here.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 09:10 (four years ago) link
The last Holly Herndon, Yves Tumor, Chino Amobi...
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 09:13 (four years ago) link
Just realized there's a Deluxe Edition of MIss Anthropocene that adds "We Appreciate Power" + four alt. mixes of other album tracks.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:44 (four years ago) link
Actually no, “So Heavy I Fell Through The Earth - Art Mix” is the strongest song here
― winters (josh), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link
It’s totally fair tho to not appreciate how it’s deployed ... like it’s been around enough to “get it” and still have it be ineffective
Nb I still think this album rules, I am just imagining alternate versions w different mixes
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:53 (four years ago) link
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:44 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Aha! What I was looking for
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:54 (four years ago) link
Call me a commercial sell out if you must but i prefer the algorithm mixes
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link
It makes me laugh (in a good way) on "My Name Is Dark" when she sings, "...the girl who plays with fii-YAAAH"
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link
eh i never want "my name is dark" to end so i can't agree xp
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link
I must say, to go from this album to the new Soccer Mommy is like stepping out of a fabulous, confusing party after a couple drinks into someone's parlor for bubbly water.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link
Picked up the CD at lunch (to really appreciate the nuances of that heavy compression, lol); had to settle for the standard edition, cuz that’s all they’re selling :(I don’t get that, why not max out the CD?
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 25, 2020 2:04 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Was this to me? I just mean for the ones that have algorithm versions
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link
yes, and "my name is dark" has an algorithm mix
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link
wait did ai mix this and that’s why it sounds like ass? (tbc it’s actually good to not hear the difference between good and bad mixes as a music enjoyer, and some of the best music ever sounds like shit)
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
Oh weird Apple Music did that thing where it hides the track from me on that one
Yeah idk why they made it shorter thats bad
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 01:00 (four years ago) link
LP version is 6-plus minutes shorter than the CD release. it lops a couple minutes off So Heavy, My Name is Dark, and IDORU. i'm glad i've got the vinyl but would prefer it to have the full length tracks. this album owns.
― omar little, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 01:11 (four years ago) link
God, the d’n’b drop in “4ÆM” is such a massive pleasure... listening to this album is like blasting the world’s greatest RealAudio stream in 1997. I don’t even care to try deciphering the levels of irony involved in her “choices” on these songs... I wouldn’t succeed, but it doesn’t even matter; it’s all equally funny/awesome/slamming whatever the intentions behind it.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 02:23 (four years ago) link
the "algorithm mixes" are just basically radio edits i thought? with the "algorithm" referring to the shorter lengths being ideal for spotify playlists etc. instead of radio. i don't hear any other changes
― ufo, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 02:25 (four years ago) link
the mixer was fired and replaced with a minimax program
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 03:24 (four years ago) link
― Matt DC, Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:10 AM (twenty hours ago)
― Matt DC, Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:13 AM (twenty hours ago)
This album sounds worse production wise than anything produced by any of those artists honestly (okay - Arca is guilty of some bad mixing with his early work and the first Twigs EP is def poor). Herndon's production is mostly outstanding - not even sure how she's even brought up here.
I am just a bit miffed at the regression of mix quality on this compared to her last few. She's progressively improved the quality of her sound over the years until this one. If it was her deliberate intention to put out an "amateurish" mix to create an atmosphere, okay - but I still don't like it. Shame, because the music deserves more.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 06:09 (four years ago) link
I haven't listened to this album enough yet to know if I like it or not but 2 things are sure :- I like it better than Art Angels - IDORU is lovely and arguably her best song since Visions(also lol the "Wonderwall" guitar in "Delete Forever")
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:14 (four years ago) link
2 tracks into my #firstlisten on bus ride home
surprised most of the discussion itt is about production being thin or lacking, i find it’s the songwriting that’s conspicuously absent. these songs are well produced but they sound like the rave in the matrix reloaded. track 1 prob worst grimes song since the pre-visions era, sounds like a parody or a fans attempt at a grimes song, the
song 3 (country)
liking this more. would fit on art angels
song 4 “violence”
much better. not sure why it takes 5 years between each album to make songs that are 15% gothier, but this ones pretty good
song 5
i think I’m starting to see what you guys are talking about re: production. pretty fun when the breaks come in but the mix is a little confusing/cluttered. this could smash with Art Angela style production. idg the singing in this, it’s just
6 new gods
didn’t make much of an impression. lots of reverb, maybe too much
sounds just like that one on art angels. she’s really smashing the sustain/reverb. great beat, chorus is v catchy too. i like the guitar riff at the end. this ones def a highlight
mostly this album is making me want to listen to art angels again so far. also it makes me want to play PlayStation 1
8 you’ll miss me
beat slaps right out the gate. kinda sounds like a charli xcx song (good). really good songwriting, another high light imho. don’t think it ranks w her best material but perhaps it’s too soon to tel
9 before fever
kinda sounds like chill wave mumblerap... p bad. chorus is an improvement
i kind of feel like she’s got a similar process as kanye where she intentionally fucks her album up last minute or rushes it to try and get that lightning in a bottle... there’s no way these tracks were fussed over for 5 years. art angels sounded so heavily crafted
10
drums are drenched in reverb... set them free
not sure if there’s another song on this album but I’m at my stop. overall pretty good album, glad i didn’t have high expectations of it, will maybe listen to it a couple more times
― flopson, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 10:41 (four years ago) link
last song IDORU is actually mb the best, i was distracted
― flopson, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 10:43 (four years ago) link
What is it specifically that people mean when they say the production or mix is bad? What are the problems with it? How is it amateurish? And how / where / on what / to what are people listening?
I don't listen in anywhere near like the way I used to 10 or 15 years ago, and I'm not atuned to latest trends like I almost was once upon a time, but I'm not hearing amateurishness here. I've bought the CD, ripped it to my server as FLAC files, and stuck it on my iPhone as 128aac files like I do with everything else. Listening is in the kitchen (off the server), in the livingroom (hi-fi), and out-and-about (Koss Portapros). Yes, there's loads of compression and reverb, yes the songs are way less strident and pop than Art Angels, but I'm not hearing anything here as 'wrong'.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 10:47 (four years ago) link
I don’t hear anyone saying the mix is “amateurish” it’s obviously a purposeful choice?
The compression is an effect but also I do kind of wonder what the album wd be like with more “club mixes”
FWIW the algo mixes did sound to me like there was some eq tweaking but maybe when I was a/bing it I was jumping to wrong parts of the song cuz of edits ... “violence” is longer in the bonus tracks but I guess that’s the “club mix”
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 10:57 (four years ago) link
Octobeard describes the mix as amateurish about four posts ago.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:06 (four years ago) link
I don’t think it’s amateurish, she’s proven she is a very apt producer and her aesthetic choices are very deliberate, following on Matt’s point, the comparison might be otm since I also dislike how Arca and OPN sound, I’d describe the sound as “sharp” and “angular”, I can see how some people might vibe to them but to me it’s stressful to endure for a ull album.
FKA Twigs and Holly Herndon I like and I don’t think sound like this (maybe FKA’s first EPs, her two albums sound very muscular to me as opposed to this hollow, sharp sound)
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 12:02 (four years ago) link
I don’t know if it makes much sense but I don’t know the technical way to describe it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 12:06 (four years ago) link
It's basically aggressive EQ and cavernous reverb, making everything sound like a cold warehouse. She knows exactly what she's doing, nothing remotely amateur in her production skills. viz: http://songexploder.net/grimes
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 12:17 (four years ago) link
idk the issues i have with the production are more about things like the way the drums on "idoru" sound very detached from the rest of the song and the way her voice is presented which is different enough from the previous albums to emphasise a lot of things i find really annoying.
"delete forever" is the only one where the compressed sound really doesn't work for me, it does just sound wrong and awkward to my ears.
― ufo, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:34 (four years ago) link
I'm not talking about the quality of the production per se, I was specifically addressing the point about the use of compression. All the artists I mentioned have made better produced records than this, even when I don't like them as much (eg Arca).
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 15:03 (four years ago) link
i think "so heavy" is one of her best productions ever, really feels like you're being orbited by these glacial smears of sound
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 15:38 (four years ago) link
but again i don't get the complains about production/mixing regarding this record
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 15:39 (four years ago) link
"new gods" and "before the fever" may seem slight on first blush but they're two of my favorite tracks now. "new gods" is a really beautiful, stately melody ("hands reaching out for newwwww gods") and "before the fever" especially sounds like visions-era grimes gone through the wormhole
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:03 (four years ago) link
imminent annihilation sounds so dope
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link
I love So Heavy.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link
album is like unused music for the cyberia rave scenes in serial experiments lain
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link
"before the fever" turning itself inside out until it's all sub-bass sounds... fuckin awesome
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:16 (four years ago) link
but again i don't get the complains about production/mixing regarding this record― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, February 26, 2020 7:39 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, February 26, 2020 7:39 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah idgi the production here sounds pretty ill to me, a valid choice on her part, and i don't know that the album would work as well done in another manner. the very sci-fi ness of it is perfect.
― omar little, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link
if her aim was to make it sound like a forgotten hyper corporate alt rock album downloaded from Kazaa at >128kpbs ca. 1998 the sound is perfect. it’s very “veiled” and the vocals sound very harshly bright (eg compare to a rnb record with that matte finish above 5khz)
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
I love IDORU but the line "you're so cool cos' you don't think you're cool" is a bit cringey when you have Mr Musk in mind !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 27 February 2020 10:11 (four years ago) link
"IDORU" is such a fantastic album-closing track...
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:24 (four years ago) link
I’m asking for records that would work in a club system when I complain abt the sounds here ... compression doesn’t really translate
Again I think the album is great
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link
Ok, I can totally understand that.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:31 (four years ago) link
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, February 26, 2020 2:47 AM (yesterday)
Poor use of compression and EQ. Beats, specifically kicks, sound fuzzy and distorted, but not in a good way. A great visual analogy for me is looking at a JPG with a ton of compression artifacts. This album is that but with its mix. It's not a huge deal for me, better than poor brick wall limited mastering, but it's disappointing given her previous work and the quality of the new songs.
Artists of Grimes' caliber and popularity generally don't produce mixes like this and often hire external help to adjust the mix level settings/compression/EQ at the track level. I am not a fan of artists getting lazier with craft and calling it "art". I also admit I'm more anal about this than others because I produce and know how easy it would be to fix these issues
― octobeard, Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:18 (four years ago) link
i guess the thing w/this album is to me it seems like a specific choice vs a problem she would have wanted fixed, and i guess it doesn't particularly bother me nor do i notice it (i'm not a producer btw). the tunes have a lot of hooks which come through. but historically i also enjoy a lot of albums in this realm and style, so idk. it sounds like grimes.
― omar little, Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link
often hire external help to adjust the mix level settings/compression/EQ at the track level
But there are "mixers" credited on every track... I think IDORU is the only one where Grimes is the credited mixer?
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:27 (four years ago) link
Yeah I saw that... which is why it's likely a deliberate choice, and one that I don't agree with.
― octobeard, Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:34 (four years ago) link
Oh it’s totally a deliberate choice (sorry, guess I misunderstood your comment). I personally think it “works” and sounds great, but obviously that’s a matter of taste.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:37 (four years ago) link
I don't know that I buy that, there are plenty of records where a professional engineer just fucked up the mix. I definitely hear digital clipping on the kicks and it does not sound purposeful to me.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link
moodles otm, basically the line between production and mixing doesn't really exist anymore so you have producers making mix decisions and vice versa and it can end up with the mixer sorta being the label's enforcer to juice and maximize things to earbleed levels sometimes or rush things to release.
but it sounds great on my iphone speakers, and i don't notice the mediocre quality when i am commuting with headphones on. it suffers played back to back with extremely expensively made records. but at the end of the day the album is fascinating, and sort of suggests a chillwavey nostalgia-as-future-anxiety with the past being y2k era instead of vhs, and the future anxiety being apocalypse rather than joblessness. the garbage comparison resonates because it hits that period where the digital hooks were going in and we weren't really noticing, and now look where it got us.
speaking of hooks ... it is absolutely packed with hooks and ... i think people have differing definitions of what a hook is? i have had like 5-6 different ones running through my head after just two listens
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 27 February 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link
people hear things differently... like the tonic of “sweet home Alabama” or w/e
― brimstead, Thursday, 27 February 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
I think there’s been a lot of projecting w/the relatively few reviews calling this a failure, little discussion of her skills as a musician creating a melodic work and more about her skill in executing the concept album she mentioned which like i said before was more a jumping-off point wrt inspiration vs any explicitly told dystopian tale.
Interestingly I think like AA it comes off better as a whole, when listened to in one sitting. vs listening to the tracks as they were rolling out — they sounded cool but it works well as a piece. Also idk if it’s better than AA but I think it’s a more consistent record so maybe I’ll agree w D-40 eventually.
― omar little, Thursday, 27 February 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link
chillwavey nostalgia-as-future-anxiety with the past being y2k era instead of vhs, and the future anxiety being apocalypse rather than joblessness
Holy shit I love this description thank you
― octobeard, Thursday, 27 February 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link
Interestingly, in another forum someone took the leaked album and inverted the audio from the official release to see if there were adjustments made between then and now. Only You'll miss me when I'm not around had any changes.
― octobeard, Thursday, 27 February 2020 22:59 (four years ago) link
a forgotten hyper corporate alt rock album downloaded from Kazaa at >128kpbs ca. 1998
^^this is the description I luv
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 23:06 (four years ago) link
maybe it's the grimes album for ppl who aren't particularly grimes fans? idk... none of her stuff other than "oblivian" has really grabbed me, but I'm so locked in to this.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 23:07 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCrhTU9HkVQ
can anyone confirm if grimes likes anime
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 28 February 2020 01:41 (four years ago) link
almost as hard to determine as whether she's been into tumblr
― mh, Friday, 28 February 2020 01:48 (four years ago) link
Having just listened to the new Caribou album, yeah, this sounds like shit. Still enjoy it though.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 28 February 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link
Is it just me or are her music videos very low effort this album cycle?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 28 February 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link
Friendship with @Fantano CANCELED ! Friendship with @pitchfork RENEWED pic.twitter.com/DgKnFynbN4— ༺GRIMES༻ 🤍 小仙女 (@Grimezsz) February 28, 2020
― ☮️ (peace, man), Friday, 28 February 2020 23:16 (four years ago) link
ha ha, that’s awesome
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Friday, 28 February 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/Ed4HLucaXe— maddie (@elfnymph) February 28, 2020
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 29 February 2020 00:08 (four years ago) link
That is how artists should respond to good/bad reviews xxpost
― Tim F, Saturday, 29 February 2020 00:34 (four years ago) link
otm good stuff
― brimstead, Saturday, 29 February 2020 01:20 (four years ago) link
Answering my own question but I wasn’t too far off with the “lesser effort” in her music videos for this cycle compared to previous albums, from an AMA he did in reddit a couple hours ago:
There was also a lot of stuff planned that didn't pan out due to my manager's passing (LAUREN FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!) and my pregnancy. We had planned a short film with Jodeb that was about all the Goddesses fighting but being pregnant got too crazy to make somethning like that, and a "modern demonology" with Heavy Metal Magazine that would be a coffee table book with all the Gods
Kinda sucks that her original vision for the visuals of the album got slashed away.
Here’s the AMA : https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/fb38tj/popheads_its_grimes_and_my_new_album_miss/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 29 February 2020 04:10 (four years ago) link
the ama also has grimes talking about the mix:
For Miss A i think each song is a mini world/ personality whereas AA is more of a cohesive statement. So some songs just required specific personelle to finish. Like with So heavy, its such a wierd song production wise, i needed someone who could keep the bass heavy but bring the vocals up without losing verb and without muddying the mix, which is why Illangelo was the only option to mix. He's worked extednsively with the weeknd and i think a song like the hills is one of the only songs that has lots of reverb on the vocal and still bangs.
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 1 March 2020 02:43 (four years ago) link
I know she’s just typing fast, but I genuinely dig the “personelle” neologism.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Sunday, 1 March 2020 03:26 (four years ago) link
I listened to this one again yesterday and my new conclusion is that not all of the songs have an awful sound, just the ones I would actually listen to (delete forever, idoru). The songs that I don’t care much about don’t sound that bad like say, “you’ll miss me when I’m not around”, that one actually sounds good to me.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 1 March 2020 08:27 (four years ago) link
Do we know who’s working with her in each track? Illangelo is hit or miss to me but most of his work with the weeknd is great. Did that quote means he worked in the whole album or just on “so heavy”?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 1 March 2020 08:38 (four years ago) link
Carlo “Illangelo” Montagnese is only credited as “mixer” on that particular track.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Sunday, 1 March 2020 15:09 (four years ago) link
I’ve had delete forever in my head all week, such a weird flat disturbing yet beautiful song. The pro tools sterilized banjo is affecting in a way hard to articulate
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Sunday, 1 March 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
it is my song of the year so far
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 1 March 2020 16:41 (four years ago) link
I'm really getting into this album, it's full of hooks and it's not super long so I can listen to most of it in a single commute.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Sunday, 1 March 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link
Yeah I was wrong about wanting those other mixes on the CD, it’s actually the perfect length.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Sunday, 1 March 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
I highly appreciate “we appreciate power” but she was correct in not including it on this imo.
― omar little, Sunday, 1 March 2020 18:05 (four years ago) link
At first I was disappointed but the flow of the album is vv good and musically it doesn’t quite fit in.
― omar little, Sunday, 1 March 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link
I’ve officially warmed up to “delete forever” again after listening to it on cheaper headphones. It still sounds a bit flat to my ears but it’s a good Grimes song regardless of how it sounds.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 2 March 2020 08:01 (four years ago) link
Just want to point out how clever it is that "You'll Miss Me When I'm Not Around" (poppiest song ever about suicide?) features gurgling, watery "You'll miss me when I'm down" vocals at the end -- musically expressing the "I'll tie my feet to rocks and drown" sentiment via the chopped 'n screwed chorus treatment so prevalent in recent pop hits.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Monday, 2 March 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link
guYS i mIgHt kILl mYSeLf!!1
― strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Monday, 2 March 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
Oh, go soak yr head ;-)
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Monday, 2 March 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
“You’ll miss me when I’m not around“ has some good hooks though I think it probably is the least essential of the 10 tracks. which isn’t to say it’s not good just that I think the rest of the album is quite a bit better.
― omar little, Monday, 2 March 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link
oh man, I think it's such a great jam!
("before the fever" is the least essential to me... kinda feels mainly like a "bridge" into "IDORU"?)
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Monday, 2 March 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link
I think it’s a jam but maybe just a step below for me?
Idk though I usually have shifting opinions with strong albums like this which are dense w/quality cuts. Some rise above others in my estimation over time after previously having been slightly lesser.
― omar little, Monday, 2 March 2020 18:27 (four years ago) link
I really loved “violence” and “so heavy I fell through the earth”, looking forward to hearing this
― brimstead, Monday, 2 March 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link
After two listens I'd say there's a greater confidence here. Doesn't wash over you like some of the earlier stuff. Wish it really rocked more or had straight up perverse disco like "violence".
― Alpha 666, The Number of the Beast (I M Losted), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:19 (four years ago) link
― strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Monday, March 2, 2020 7:01 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
^^ unheimisch feeling of "uh oh, this post will not age well"
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:42 (four years ago) link
Love suicide humor, but I guess she has it coming
― omar little, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:54 (four years ago) link
Accordingly, the earthiest musical moment on her new album, the strummed acoustic guitars on the track “Delete Forever” (which shares its bizarro-country vibes with 2015’s “California”) is not what it sounds like. “Actually, hilariously,” she says, “that guitar is from a sample pack that I chopped up.” She fakes it so real she’s beyond fake.
no wonder it sounds so off to me then
― ufo, Thursday, 5 March 2020 22:50 (four years ago) link
Good album.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:03 (four years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:13 (four years ago) link
― ufo, Thursday, March 5, 2020 4:50 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
all rap music does this fwiw
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:17 (four years ago) link
OMG you guys, I drove by a huge billboard for this album on my way home 😂:https://i.imgur.com/VqjKJkS_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Friday, 6 March 2020 01:50 (four years ago) link
I wish I’d been able to get a better shot of it, but you get the main idea. The album art is off to the side
I wonder if Grimes' & Katy Perry's babies are gonna grow up as BFF's.
― Panic! At The Costco (morrisp), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:19 (four years ago) link
I really like Miss Anthropocene, far more that I expected to anyway.
It did give me a small smile to read this line from the Pitchfork review...
and in a relationship with a man whose real-time net worth literally jumped from $41 billion to $44.2 billion between drafts of this review.
...then click the link and see it's dropped to $30.5 billion since.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link
I find it weird you correlate artistic merits with economics.
― braised cod, Friday, 27 March 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link
I don't. Those were two separate thoughts. I enjoy Grimes a lot. I think her boyfriend is a pretentious asshole and I feel no sympathy for his fortune dwindling.
I find it weird you thought I explicitly said I connected the two.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 March 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
Sorry. I misunderstood your point.
― braised cod, Friday, 27 March 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link
Congratulations to Grimes and Elon Musk! Their newborn son, who Musk says is named X Æ A-12, arrived last night https://t.co/7eRjVMvul2— Pitchfork (@pitchfork) May 5, 2020
― enochroot, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 13:03 (three years ago) link
X Æ A-12 is a strong name. irish i think.
― treeship., Tuesday, 5 May 2020 13:32 (three years ago) link
believe it's actually Gaelic, meaning "one who'll be punched"
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link
the thing is, people rebel against their parents and also learn from their shortcomings. X Æ A-12 will likely grow up to be a very well-adjusted, friendly guy. maybe an i love hoops poster.
― treeship., Tuesday, 5 May 2020 13:43 (three years ago) link
Showbiz brats are noted for their grounded and likeable nature
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
Had no idea until this morning that he has 6 kids from his first marriage.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link
Sorry, five.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 14:26 (three years ago) link
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), mardi 5 mai 2020 15:37 (forty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
ehehe
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
A baby is always good news. Sincere congrats to the new parents.
― I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
Nice thing about having a version number in your name is you don't need to go "jr." You can just increment the version number.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link
excited to hear xæa-12 when they play casa del popolo in 20 years
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link
•X, the unknown variable ⚔️•Æ, my elven spelling of Ai (love &/or Artificial intelligence)•A-12 = precursor to SR-17 (our favorite aircraft). No weapons, no defenses, just speed. Great in battle, but non-violent 🤍+ (A=Archangel, my favorite song) (⚔️🐁 metal rat)— ꧁ ༒ Gℜiꪔ⃕es ༒꧂ 🍓🐉🎀 小仙女 (@Grimezsz) May 6, 2020
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 01:02 (three years ago) link
man, "x, the unknown variable" is just the worst. That shit is just meaningless convention like "dave".
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link
"Dave" is potentially meaningul, I guess
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 01:20 (three years ago) link
"our favorite aircraft"
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
lovecraft to aircraft and it only took 1 billion dollars
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link
her album basically vanished without trace, it seems
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 06:19 (three years ago) link
"non violent" navy aircraft that merely provided the intel for how the violence was to be carried out
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link
yeah...naming your child after a Lockheed-built spy plane used in Vietnam is genuinely mind-boggling and not in a whimsical celebrities-are-weird way
― dip to dup (rob), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link
Grimes trolling us all with her choice of partner and baby name.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:45 (three years ago) link
This interaction........ pic.twitter.com/HDyVNaeQdT— ⭐ amy o'connor ⭐ (@amyohconnor) May 6, 2020
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
take these broken wings and learn to fly
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
that's hilarious.
― cajunsunday, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
her album basically vanished without trace, it seemsIt what sense? It’ll hopefully appear on year-end best-of lists
― I eat fast foods (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link
i just listened to it again yesterday i think it's great
― Mordy, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link
Please tell me she’s trolling with that name.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link
it is elven, not zandali
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
" her album basically vanished without trace, it seems"
well it's hard to release an album in the middle of a pandemic plus she couldn't do much promotion for it considering she was pregnant. It's a good album.
― akm, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link
it didn't really vanish any more than almost all albums do these days
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
I hear more people still mention her new album than I do that Poppy album that came out early this year.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link
actually, fiona came through and reminded everyone what an actual good album sounds like.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link
both good albums but v different imo except both made by a woman
― Mordy, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
the songs from last year I liked way better than anything off the album :(
― brimstead, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
nice grammar there
i like "darkseid"
― Mordy, Sunday, 10 May 2020 03:39 (three years ago) link
The album absolutely still “slaps” (sorry), and sounds particular great when driving around the streets in this moment...
― I eat fast foods (morrisp), Sunday, 10 May 2020 06:30 (three years ago) link
her best album imo
― megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Sunday, 10 May 2020 08:32 (three years ago) link
Can you actually imagine doing this ding dong performance art fuck shit at a time like this?
https://www.popbuzz.com/music/news/grimes-selling-soul-10-million-art-show/
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 21:47 (three years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/R27Nn88l0Q— PopBuzz (@popbuzz) June 2, 2020
You can buy a piece of Grimes’ soul for $10million 😳https://t.co/cVMc4gwUGt pic.twitter.com/j9FrF4gbPc— PopBuzz (@popbuzz) June 1, 2020
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link
if we could please avoid a piece with elon in a tub filled with baked beans
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 22:15 (three years ago) link
buying her soul documents and donating them for display at the tampa hard rock cafe who publicly turns it down would be a pretty good own, though
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
afaict they posted the blackout at 11pm (probably midnight or after their time) after posting dumb ephemera all day
some site out there has to be auto-posting and didn't turn off, but they seem in the clear
― mh, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 03:17 (three years ago) link
"delete forever": the song of the year, by the artist we deserve
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 October 2020 03:32 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/28/style/self-care/grimes-AI-baby-sleep.html?action=click&module=Features&pgtype=Homepage
some interesting stuff here
"I think A.I. is great. I just feel like, creatively, I think A.I. can replace humans. ... She spoke with The New York Times on a Zoom call alongside the team behind Endel, an app that says it uses artificial intelligence to generate ever-changing soundscapes to fit different moods. It has received funding from companies including True Ventures, an investment firm that bankrolled the Grimes collaboration."
“If you feed an A.I. all the greatest artists ever, it will probably be able to auto generate really creative, really evocative art.” It may even be able to create superhumanly talented artists, “like, David Bowie times a million,” she said. “An artist who’s just super charismatic and amazing and fun, and just makes the best music, and can make 1,000 songs a day, and just do 1,000 interviews a day, simultaneously."
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link
maybe the second half of david bowie's Low times a million
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link
but not even that, really
*audio clip of HAL-9000 singing "Daisy"*
― Video Drama (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:37 (three years ago) link
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, October 28, 2020 4:03 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is dumb. even if possible, that level of production would be overwhelming and human listeners wouldn't get anything out of it. if shakespeare wrote 10,000 plays just as good as hamlet no one would bother trying to wrap their head around his oeuvre. same if bowie made 10,000 Lows
― treeship., Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link
this shit will be used in spas and hair salons. at least grimes' tech-hype profits won't get anyone's head removed by a truck.
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:46 (three years ago) link
i know she is all jazzed up about robots replacing humans but i just think it's fundamentally dumb. if a.i. really replaces us, and isn't just a sped-up imitation, they would make their own forms of art that wouldn't be comprehensible to humans because it would emerge from and reflect the umwelt of a.i.
brad otm about the single to the album being good though, i guess.
― treeship., Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:48 (three years ago) link
I think experiencing art is about connecting with something essentially human. Listening to AI music would be like watching robots play football or something.
― Video Drama (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link
exactly. even grimes' attempt to transcend and escape her humanity, or embodiedness, you know, it's a human impulse. this is why she can make art about it that people can connect with.
― treeship., Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:14 (three years ago) link
xp there will be a new game, "Pop Star Manager"
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:16 (three years ago) link
by this logic, shouldn’t we try to minimize the number of great works of art and music, in order to free us up from the bother of trying to wrap our heads around too many of them?
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link
― treeship., Wednesday, October 28, 2020 5:14 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is Turing testable, I’d be willing to put money on you failing it. tbh AI have probably already collaborated on songs you like
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link
if a.i. really replaces us, and isn't just a sped-up imitation, they would make their own forms of art that wouldn't be comprehensible to humans because it would emerge from and reflect the umwelt of a.i.
without knowing what umlaut means... idk, this sounds potentially pretty fresh? humans make landfills worth of music that presumably results from their umwelt, and sucks
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
those op-eds written by gpt-3 are as good as like the 99th percentile in any canadian newspaper
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link
the sponsored content i write for building material companies is irreplaceable though, right?
― treeship., Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link
umwelt just means lifeworld, like how the world presents itself to the senses of a specific organism, "what it's like to be a bat" or whatever.
my contention is that, even if a.i. makes stuff that can't pass a turing test, they are still just imitating forms and conventions developed by people. the real a.i. art would be made for and by a.i.
also, the a.i. generated op-eds i've read have seemed bizarre and meandering. do you have a good one?
― treeship., Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:30 (three years ago) link
canadian newspaper op-eds are also terrible so it’s a low bar
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/08/robot-wrote-this-article-gpt-3
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link
even if a.i. makes stuff that can't pass a turing test, they are still just imitating forms and conventions developed by people. the real a.i. art would be made for and by a.i.
im saying the art by and for AIs could be cool
most art by and for humans is awful, but a small minority hits the umwelt’s g-spot; maybe some art by ai for humans will be also be like that, maybe not. imo a close collaboration between human and ai will be more the thing. like you say “hey ai, play 10 different guitar licks over this bassline that sound kinda like a mix between Ron Asheton and Jimmy Paige” and then among the 10 you pick one you like and change it a bit
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:41 (three years ago) link
cool now she stole Holly Herdon's thing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link
But Holly Herndon is actually building it. Grimes is merely "talking" about it. She is very much the Steve Jobs to Holly Herndon's Wozniak in this regard. Unless she's getting her hands dirty and coding with the Endel team or a very hands on product management type role, but I'm guessing she's playing more of a consultant role and contributing a public face to help market it.
Also, Herndon's incorporation of AI and the ritual around training it into her recent live sets goes far beyond anything Grimes has ever done from a performance or even conceptual standpoint.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:33 (three years ago) link
Lol @ grimes haters like “she doesn’t even have a phd in computer music!”
― flopson, Thursday, 29 October 2020 00:06 (three years ago) link
i don’t think holly herndon has dibs on this; it prob won’t prove to be just a gimmick. (also her AI album left me cold). more than one musician will collaborate with AI; as they get better it’ll start to become more common
― flopson, Thursday, 29 October 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link
Lmao sure as if this isn’t the rich person version of blowing weed smoke in your pet’s face and insisting “they love it” https://t.co/rqE5kHOVXP— Alex®️ (@sexymollusk) October 28, 2020
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 October 2020 01:04 (three years ago) link
Herndon has not, AFAIK, gone around advocating for machines to actually replace human endeavor, let's keep her out of this imho
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 October 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link
yeah sorry she doesn't deserve that
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 October 2020 01:26 (three years ago) link
what’s “human endeavour”?
― flopson, Thursday, 29 October 2020 02:22 (three years ago) link
doin things
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 29 October 2020 02:36 (three years ago) link
You don’t have to be “rich” to show your kid Apocalypse Now; you just need a VCR.
― Video Drama (morrisp), Thursday, 29 October 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link
I’m sure AI created music will reach a point where at least one out of 10 of the biggest hits of the year is generated by computer algorithms but it doesn’t work for every genre and there’s many factors to consider besides “it sounds good”, most chart hits are personality-driven. I don’t think if THXF-2543 released some crap like “Toosie Slide” it would receive the amount of attention than if someone like Drake released it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 29 October 2020 02:56 (three years ago) link
Mostly I think it will end up helping human musicians get out of a writers block, inspiring them to try some arrangement or progression to a song they hadn’t considered.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 29 October 2020 03:01 (three years ago) link
Even when I’m playing extremely procedural games like Galaga I still feel like I’m having an artistic experience created by a programmer
I think the future she’s suggesting would be the same as owning an iPhone— different songs (different apps) but still essentially a conversation with the device, the programming, the designer
I would very much like to see a Data-style cellist face off against the greatest we humans have to offer
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 29 October 2020 03:02 (three years ago) link
I can bet my house - and I swear it’s a beautiful house - that I’ll die before any AI creates an album like say this year’s Fetch the Bolt Cutters by Fiona Apple or idk Marvin Gaye’s What’s Going On or even an album like Art Angels or Visions to stay in topic.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 29 October 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link
thinking about those bumper stickers that said "drum machines have no soul" here
i guess this makes me pretty much a to-be-forgotten hayseed but shucks, what if making music and art wasn't so impossible bc noone has the time. maybe automate the other stuff and let us make the art? lol that's the kind of thinking that gets me sent to a crappy off world colony i know
more seriously can art be optimized in this way? i'd say its conceivable but not likely
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 29 October 2020 03:59 (three years ago) link
there’s many factors to consider besides “it sounds good”, most chart hits are personality-driven. I don’t think if THXF-2543 released some crap like “Toosie Slide” it would receive the amount of attention than if someone like Drake released it.I have to partially disagree in that Drake may or may not have much personality, but “Tootsie Slide” is a good song. And I don’t think AI can replace (good) songwriting – much as some ppl (including on here) may snark that “a computer could have written this.”
― Video Drama (morrisp), Thursday, 29 October 2020 04:14 (three years ago) link
I actually like Drake but he has several songs that sound like autopilot and imho Tootsie Slide is one of them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 29 October 2020 04:24 (three years ago) link
Anyways... sorry for sniping on Tootsie Slide... it's not that bad of a song, I just think it's one of those songs that wouldn't have half the impact it had if it weren't for the Drake trademark.
It might not seem like it based on my last comments, but I hate gatekeeping "rockist" attitudes. I actually agree with Grimes on this one and I understand exactly what she's going for in here. A.I. will be a very helpful tool to develop musical ideas and it will one day reach the ability to create 'perfect' songs from scratch, but humans are very much not fans of perfect things.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 29 October 2020 04:35 (three years ago) link
Grimes is pretty much otm, but I don't see an AI serving as a singular cultural figure like Bowie. To me, it seems way more likely it'll get used by the future Spotifys to create new, interesting music for you steered by your likes/dislikes
― Vinnie, Thursday, 29 October 2020 06:38 (three years ago) link
I mean you can still get a charismatic human to be the face of the operation and AI to do the songwriting.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 29 October 2020 06:40 (three years ago) link
Yes definitely. But it just seems a much easier task for an AI to create music an individual will like based on their tastes vs. correctly guessing what the next big thing will be. The latter involves knowledge outside what a strictly music-making AI would know, like music trends or even societal trends
Plus, when the technology is there, it'll be in the hands of too many people to really stick out the way Bowie did. That's why I thought the Bowie comparison was not quite right
― Vinnie, Thursday, 29 October 2020 07:11 (three years ago) link
the tech grimes is imagining where AI can make music on its own as well as humans can is a long way away still and she even says that in the article ("in a century" etc.)
it wouldn't surprise me if sometime this decade there are good machine learning-powered compositional tools etc. that can be used effectively to provide accompaniment to human-created works or suggest musical ideas etc. but the end result from that is still going to be about human curation and using whatever AI tools there are as a creative partner and i think that would be quite exciting and interesting. rather than being a replacement for humans i'd expect initially you'd get a different sort of creativity that can lead to novel and interesting results if applied well, if current text-generation tech is any guide to how things will develop. obviously there are people already trying to do this at the moment but it's still very experimental, limited & inaccessible etc. since the tech just isn't there yet.
even the best text-generation tools at the moment like gpt-3 still rely a lot on human curation of both input and output. probably the best application that uses gpt-3 at the moment is AI dungeon which is really really incredible and one of the funniest and most entertaining games i've ever played, but the experience you get from it is very much a collaboration between the human players and the AI feeding off each other. to really get the best out of it you have to be willing to reject the AI's responses when they don't work for you and ask it to try again and even at its best it doesn't really feel like the AI's responses are 'human' - instead it has its own bizarre creativity that is distinctly inhuman and all the better for it.
― ufo, Thursday, 29 October 2020 07:36 (three years ago) link
ufo otm
― flopson, Thursday, 29 October 2020 07:42 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I feel like I'm echoing a lot of the responses already in this thread, but it feels like there's a step missing here. "When will AIs make art / music / whatever?" -> how do we know they aren't already?
Humans are so bad at understanding or even recognising other forms of life / intelligence / play / (potentially art would go here) that are already existing on our planet. How would we know what kind of "art" an intelligence so unlike our own would even look or sound like?
The question of "when will AIs make music that is recognisable and enjoyable to humans?" is quite a different one. I find it kind of uncomfortable when people speak in ways of, "well, we have to train it to create scenarios that appeal more to humans" - the autist in me wants to protest "why can't we train ourselves to better understand what is interesting / entertaining / artistic to other intelligent entities?" That dominator impulse, that "our" values are the correct ones, and we should train others to fulfill our wants - that always flags up caution when I see it.
(I always prefer the suggestions that sound more collaborative, more Kraftwerkian - "we play the machines, and the machines play us" etc.)
― first we save the rave (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 29 October 2020 08:29 (three years ago) link
AIs: "yeah, we just make music for ourselves and if any humans like it that's a bonus"
― soref, Thursday, 29 October 2020 09:12 (three years ago) link
Haha, yeah, that's really funny!
But thinking "well, what kind of music would AIs listen to" - you know, that reminds me of the processes of listening to other kinds of music that are intensely *alien* to me, i.e. I am quite LOLold now, and often when I listen to music that the teenagers around me love, I am totally lost, and the music sounds incomprehensible to me. (Or indeed, listening to music from entirely other cultures or subcultures, where I don't really understand the rules of how the music is made, or what it's about or who it's for!) The best way to access or get into that kind of music is to ask the teenagers - well, what do *you* like about this stuff? And they'll respond that it turns out the point is something that I hadn't even considered.
Do you want AI music to be just a kind of generative Spotify Hipster Boyfriend that gives you more of what you already like? Or do you want to treat AI music more like a Russian teenager who listens to music you find utterly incomprehensible, and try to learn to comprehend what the AI gets out of it?
― first we save the rave (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 29 October 2020 09:22 (three years ago) link
Also, AIs wouldn't need to listen to music linearly in time the way we do. They could presumably, say, take in a whole MP3 at once as a data file.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 29 October 2020 11:19 (three years ago) link
toosie slide is a terrible song and drake on autopilot at his worst
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 October 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
this is dumb. even if possible, that level of production would be overwhelming and human listeners wouldn't get anything out of it. if shakespeare wrote 10,000 plays just as good as hamlet no one would bother trying to wrap their head around his oeuvre. same if bowie made 10,000 Lowsby this logic, shouldn’t we try to minimize the number of great works of art and music, in order to free us up from the bother of trying to wrap our heads around too many of them?― flopson, Wednesday, October 28, 2020 2:20 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― flopson, Wednesday, October 28, 2020 2:20 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
one must wrestle with the Super Deluxe Sign O' The Times and answer this for oneself
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link
Or do you want to treat AI music more like a Russian teenager who listens to music you find utterly incomprehensible, and try to learn to comprehend what the AI gets out of it?
I already have Autechre to scratch that itch for me
― octobeard, Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
ai doesn't exist and will never exist and this shit is stupid beyond all measure.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
fuck grimes and her opinions, she married one of the most contemptible men alive ffs
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link
One could argue that the situation that Grimes is describing already exists-- I remember the early 00s when there were arguments like "are DJs musicians?" (not turntablists, but song selectors). I don't, on a base level, see much difference between present-day algorithmically-devised playlists and "an AI-manufactured Bowie" aside from where we are on the development curve
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:22 (three years ago) link
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, October 29, 2020 3:15 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
“strong AI” or whatever exists but for writing something close to what she’s talking about already exists
― flopson, Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:32 (three years ago) link
*strong AI or whatever may never exist
the OpenAI soundcloud dump is my most listened to album this year, the GANs are already capable of making mistakes that humans are incapable of making themselves. even the most generic jukedeck / aiva / amper stuff trying to make traditionally pleasing / consonant / ignorable background music for commercial music occasionally throws a 'nice' chord change that obeys all the rules, and yet is so totally alien & wrong that at times I have to, y'know, yell
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link
/commercial use
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link
ya ive dipped into those a bit. on some level ai is like a really insane vers of an arpeggiator. i wonder if there was a luddite rxn against like arpeggiators and sequencers when they first came out too
it’s funny how this thread is 50% people idly speculating about ai and music and 50% online rage-dads whose opinion on it is perfectly correlated with their opinion on elon musk, just because this is the grimes thread
― flopson, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:14 (three years ago) link
🖼
― rob, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link
quote was meant to be: "on some level ai is like a really insane vers of an arpeggiator"
― rob, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link
i wonder if there was a luddite rxn against like arpeggiators
Well, God did intend us to pick all the notes for ourselves
I need to go listen to the songs you two are talking about, I haven't heard much recent AI-generated music. I thought Microsoft Songsmith produced some interesting "mistakes" along the lines Milton describes and that was ten years ago
― Vinnie, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:27 (three years ago) link
some of y’all never been to a YONA show curated by Ash KooshaThe vast majority of Yona’s lyrics, chords, voice, and melodies are created by software, with Koosha mixing and producing the final song.https://youtu.be/gT2D5_CTzb4
― mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:51 (three years ago) link
the open ai soundcloud is interesting thanks miltonI wish I could be tricked into listening to this stuff with some fake bio of a weirdo electronic artist, it's hard to listen without the baggage of knowing what it is
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 October 2020 00:56 (three years ago) link
The way I’d break it down is that there are a number of artists and toolmakers who are in the generated music space now, who sit in a different space than musicians that are in the mainstream or fringes of the mainstream, who are busy creating/programming and writing about the theoretical space of how AI and generative music could become mainstream. There are artist spaces and festivals, the kind with panels and nerds talking in dark corners about *how* the music was made, that have been going on for some time. I think to a lot of the adventurous music-listening public, the creative process and technique is a very opaque thing and the end product has a limited audience because you have to have an idea of how and why the music is created.
As far as I know, Grimes sits on the other side of this. She’s a musician but a consumer of music-making technology, and she works outside the space you could, perhaps with a grimace, call the “academy.” She’s on the Coachella, holograms dancing on stage, side of it. I know a number of people (including Holly Herndon iirc) were engaging with her on twitter about some of the things she’s previously said and she might be synthesizing some of those thoughts when making comments about AI in music now, but it’s not her wheelhouse.
The thing about the creating-tools side of things is some bits seem rudimentary or even cobbled together until it’s formalized into a piece of software or something that befits a creative workflow and then it’s *everywhere*. The precursors to things like ProTools and Ableton were used by a handful of people for very meticulous projects, and now they’re everywhere. We’re getting close to presets and a lot more point-and-click for things like Max/MSP and integrating OpenAI-style noodling into creative workflows to the point where they’re something you just jump into, but not quite yet. And I think that’s when Grimes comes in.
― mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 01:10 (three years ago) link
I had an interesting conversation at a bar last year with a guy who set up the A/V rigs for large touring shows — he was doing a simple gig just doing work for a conference in town — and he was enthusiastically explaining some realtime effects a couple acts he’d worked for had used and how it was an amazing show. I was thinking back to a coordinated electronic music/laser show I’d seen closer to 2010 and once I tried finding video clips on my phone to show, I realized that it looked completely unimpressive now. Because the show I’d seen was doing something new that was pretty rudimentary — but not previously done — and now it was completely archaic. The tools for linking those things together in the way I had witnessed is now completely run of the mill.
― mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
lulz
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
Tbf her Canadian company applied, not her.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 02:39 (three years ago) link
Despite her terrible persona and life choices, Miss Anthropocene is way better than it has any business being.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link
pomenitul at 8:39 24 Nov 20Tbf her Canadian company applied, not her.a distinction without a difference
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 03:12 (three years ago) link
Zen master Basho said to his disciple, “When you have a staff, I will give it to you. If you have no staff, I will take it away from you.”
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 03:27 (three years ago) link
what a dickens
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 03:28 (three years ago) link
the unfairness of an established artist with access to vast financial resources (and space flight) getting grants because she has a record company with enough staff to apply for themisn’t this kinda sexist, tho? “access” to resources, hmm
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 03:33 (three years ago) link
I thought the revive was about i_o passing away today. Anyhoo:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CH_b5S2glBL/?igshid=1nfwpsvhh7sgu
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 05:00 (three years ago) link
Some Canadian record labels kinda operate as FACTOR grant application mills. They won't sign you if you don't qualify. They acquire your grant for you and stick their name on it for a mgmt fee. The rest is up to you.
― everything, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 05:10 (three years ago) link
I’m sure she’ll continue to find ways to disappoint me to the point of hating her and vowing to never listen to any of her music ever again, but I honestly don’t think she was even aware of said subsidy.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 05:11 (three years ago) link
I agree that given the meritocratic pedigree of the Musk family that it is unconscionable that either party would be on the receiving end of government arts funding, such a borderline socialist act smacks dangerously of altruism
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 05:29 (three years ago) link
https://factorportalprod.blob.core.windows.net/portal/Documents/Annual_Reports/FACTOR_Annual_Report_2019-2020.pdf
Here's the full FACTOR report. Grimes's stipend accounts for .36% of the overall budget
Don't get me wrong
I don't think Grimes's admin bodies should be applying for Canadian arts grants
But these sort of institutions and their budgets are completely dwarfed by, say, "the amount of money the federal government uses to stimulate the, say, softwood lumber economy", and so I always get frustrated by people clay-pigeoning certain recipients of broader industry stimulations as a method to criticize the entire mechanism as a whole
If you wanna load up the guns, let's talk about Starmaker (and even then I think Starmaker is a good thing)
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 05:34 (three years ago) link
The writer of that article also identifies himself as being “firmly” in the camp of “those who think (government’s) job is to stick to the basics” – so I suspect there may be a bit of concern-trolling going on.
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 06:02 (three years ago) link
I mean Musk took 4.9 Billion in government subsidies. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link
National Post gonna National Post.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
The National Post is very right-wing, approximately a Canadian equivalent of the Wall Street Journal, maybe? His 'concern' for up-and-coming artists is quite likely disingenuous. Some subsidies have been put forth to assist with the issues he refers to, which I note he doesn't praise here, e.g. https://www.cbc.ca/music/new-program-will-pay-canadian-musicians-for-live-stream-concerts-on-facebook-and-instagram-1.5569422
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
And the Liberal govt, of whom Gurney is not a fan, has roughly doubled funding for the Canada Council, which funds music by lesser-known, less commercially oriented artists: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/arts-federal-budget-canada-council-heritage-1.3501480
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
Is that fund going to be spent in Canada?
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
Acc to this (blog by Alan Cross, who seems credible), it seems like yes: https://www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com/grimes-whos-married-to-one-of-the-richest-men-in-the-world-finds-herself-in-artist-funding-controversy-lets-sort-this-out/. It's a Montreal-based label and the money may not even go to Grimes's recordings - he questions whether she is even an owner of the label.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link
I did a little Googling of my own last night, and also couldn't find any indication of how Grimes may actually be connected to the label (I couldn't even find its corporation record, tbh).
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
As a grateful recipient of Canadian art grants, I think I am in a safe position to criticize structural problems within the institutions, my intentions are to better the institutions. Giving a life changing amount of money to someone who does not need it, when so many artists are struggling to pay rent might be symptomatic of a broken mechanism, this is one story that gets headline because Grimes is huge, but it's something you see through and through, that has been debated for years now, and Grimes being the partner of the second richest person in the world should be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
all that is great and everything, but claire -who is the mother of the child of the second richest person in our current civilization- needless to say, probably didn't need that money. especially during this year which has seen socioeconomic changes that will take generations to recover from in some places. at least donate it or something for crying out loud.
it just seems a tad tone deaf, but i reckon she could have titled her most recent album just that and would still have plenty of people at the ready to defend her. it's like amanda palmer leveled up at this point, honestly.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link
xp Are there struggling artists who are being turned down for grants because the fund is depleted?
Austin, it's still not clear that Grimes had anything to do with the application.
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
It is not even clear that the money is going to her.
In general principle, though, what would you guys suggest? Would you support a means test for arts grants?xp
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link
Yes. It's a fixed budget, they only give out so much per year (twice a year). (Prior to the pandemic, might be different because of the emergency nature of everything).
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link
Now for the music industry and that specific grant I do not know if it's different.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
Would you support a means test for arts grants?xp
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, November 25, 2020 1:08 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
Something like that, the same way private high schools shouldn't receive govt funding, artists who have a clear access to funds and/or to a sustainable market shouldn't receive funds.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
FACTOR is explicitly meant to promote a commercial music industry in Canada. It seems like it might be more analogous to other industrial subsidies (for things ranging from lumber or dairy to video games and engineering firms) than to something like the Canada Council: https://www.factor.ca/about-the-foundation/what-we-fund/ xp
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
artists who have a clear access to funds
This was in the article, too - I still find it to be a weird thing to say. Without knowing how Musk & Grimes arrange their finances, it's defining a woman by her husband (and his wealth).
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
Independently of Musk, Grimes is doing very well as an artist, and doesn't even reside in Canada anymore.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
I checked the historical list of FACTOR recipients; fwiw, Grimes has been on there several times in the past (2015 & 2016). There are many other entries for Crystal Math over the years, with different artists listed.
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
If Grimes is a part owner of Crystal Meth and received funds as a part-owner of Crystal Meth then I have no problems with this at all.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
it's defining a woman by her husband (and his wealth)
Are they even married?
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
The money is going to the label, not Grimes, in something called a Comprehensive Music Company grant. Crystal Math Music will use it to release records by Canadian artists on their roster. Those acts include Emily Haines, Half Moon Run, and Metric.Will any of that money go to any Grimes records? Possibly, but it wouldn’t be a smart business move. That money would be better used to nurture those other acts currently on the label and prospective signings. Besides, Elon is a music nut himself. Think they don’t have a state-of-the-art recording studio at their place in Pasadena?
Will any of that money go to any Grimes records? Possibly, but it wouldn’t be a smart business move. That money would be better used to nurture those other acts currently on the label and prospective signings. Besides, Elon is a music nut himself. Think they don’t have a state-of-the-art recording studio at their place in Pasadena?
I'm curious why exactly the company is allowed to leverage Grimes's name for a grand application if the money most likely isn't supporting her.
― umarell of the year (jmm), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
*grant, sorry
― umarell of the year (jmm), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link
Are they even married?Looks like maybe they’re not! Makes my point even stronger.
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
Hm, I'm not sure Cross was totally right. Looking over the list of recipients here, there are some grants that went just to Crystal Math but also a $20K grant that went to Crystal Math to finance a Grimes video and a $90K "comprehensive music company" for Crystal Math that also lists Grimes as "artist" - so maybe the funds are going to promote her?
I'm not a fan of her music at all but I don't really get the "already very successful" issue in her case: she hasn't had a top 40 hit or gold album afaict. It's not really the same as if they were giving out grants for Bryan Adams and Drake to make videos.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link
here = https://www.factor.ca/factorfunded/recipients/
I’ll define Grimes by her ability to have world tours, music videos, delayed album releases, an incredible network within the music industry, a very large set of fans and by the fact that she probably doesn’t even contribute to canadian taxes. All in constrast to some First Nations artists who can wait up to 5 years to receive less than 90 000$ to make a second record. In a hypothetical world where Musk and Grimes doesn’t meet, it would seem grotesque to most Canadian artists. Now, let me be rather certain that being the life partner to the second wealthiest man on earth does have an impact on her financial situation.
Heck, she is zero to blame here and she isn’t the source of the problem and yet people feel the need to defend at every turn as if she’s some sort of perpetual victim.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link
Wolf Parade do those things, they’ve received grants four times.
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link
Like I said, I'm not a fan of Grimes. I do think a Canadian music industry is worth supporting at multiple levels but the issues of equity and nepotism do concern me so the story interests me - and so far, I'm not sure this story is evidence of a systemic problem. It sounds like you would want to revamp FACTOR and the granting system altogether to make it focused on promoting those who are actually in need, which is a valid position but is, I think, more extreme than mine.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:50 (three years ago) link
But if people are being defensive about Grimes, it's probably bc MtlBlog and National Post are making this explicitly about Grimes herself and her partner.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link
It was late last night and I posted the wrong link
https://factorportalprod.blob.core.windows.net/portal/Documents/FACTOR_Recipients_List.pdf
Here it is
A complete list of all the recipients of FACTOR funding 2019-2020. You will scroll, and scroll, and scroll, and scroll some more-- 2k CAD seems to be the base minimum for a grant. You will see very few artists you recognize; as somebody who is "in the loop", even I see very few artists I recognize, although the few that I see constitute pretty-much EVERYBODY I know who lives in Canada and works as a musician.
My conclusion is: FACTOR ~is~ funding those who deserve funding-- both those who we know create worthy work, and those who we don't know (and need the assistance). Speaking personally, too: when you get a video grant, that money goes to the video artist. When you get a publicity grant, that money goes to the publicist. "Is FACTOR saving you money?" kind of? but not actually? it's paying for things that I (personally) would not be able to afford without funding.
I myself am NOT defensive of Grimes. If she is, or organizations she's affiliated with are, going to apply for arts funding, it would be helpful/wise to be accountable by publicly acknowledging this application, and stating what the intention is for any funds received.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to what Niko has to write about all of this
Hey friends, I found a home for my voice on the Grimes thing. Thanks for everyone having my back on that, I really, really appreciate it.— Niko Stratis (@nikostratis) November 25, 2020
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link
Never read either of these two publications imo!
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:01 (three years ago) link
Like, FACTOR, a federal $25m granting system has been going for years, and is so well-funded, because it's been found to work; subsidizing a music industry is good for other industries, as well.
And as I mentioned yesterday-- there are other granting institutions (specifically Starmaker) that DO give money to the money-est of the monied, to Celine, to Shania, to Bryan, to Drake, to Bieber. (Note: I do not know if Starmaker actually grants money to the aforementioned artists, but they are certainly eligible.) To be eligible, you have to meet a certain (very high) sales/streaming requirement. I am much more interested in this being investigated, personally-- although I intuit that it's still a highly positive thing, as this is not about "helping out needy artists", this is about stimulating an industry
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link
It's worth noting maybe that on the Spotify thread, a few weeks back, when I was catching hands for saying "Spotify is a wonderful product and an excellent way for music to be transmitted"-- because it is-- even if the pay-out is crap and broken and Daniel Ek should be killed, smoked, and eaten-- that one of the primary solutions I felt would solve the problem is "more government funding for musicians". We can (and should) eat Daniel Ek, but it won't change the fact that recorded music and its usage has irreversibly been devalued, and if it's going to continue being created, it's going to require some other method of sustaining it. Considering how the music industry has (compared to other industries) such a low operating cost, it makes sense (to me) that creating a system where it subsists on government funding is a no-brainer
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link
Funding labels with their costs for promotions and other expenses that do not have tangible financial gains is a good thing, and of course it will somehow end up helping the likes of Emily Haines or Tegan and Sara, and if Grimes is a part owner of one of these labels then so be it, I have no problems with that.
I come from a place/industry where some artists keep getting financed over and over and over at the expense of others despite no commercial success and I probably over stepped and saw nepotism where they might be none at all.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link
at the expense of others
I don't think it works like this, personally, but that said, if I have any ire, it's less "Grimes got $90k" and more "Beverly Glenn-Copeland only got $10k"
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
And again, "Tegan & Sara getting government money" is! ultimately! a! good! thing! Bands that big are effectively cottage industries, that money is going to the thousands of people who work for them, it's not going into "buying Sara a pony". And again: I think it'd be great if bands that big, if they decided to apply, show their work, or don't apply. Arcade Fire do not apply for government money. Destroyer has only started to do so recently-- he has a large band to feed, I'm glad he's getting funded-- but for years he and that whole crew of musicians (including their Victoria-originating sisters and brothers, Wolf Parade i.e.) did not apply out of principle.
It's nice to log on to the FACTOR website and see Rollie staring intensely at you, gotta say
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link
Like paying taxes.
And here's some of my economic problem we have in Canada, in that tax payer money is made to fund artists who then allow Spotify to rake in a lot of money without paying taxes in Canada or genuinely funding artists in return. The structural problem, highlighted by Grimes receiving such a sum (if it isn't as the owner of a label), is that the return for it is basically zero, except maybe patriotic pride to see one of us do very well? It doesn't help the ecosystem that will help less established artists down the road (or artists in domains that are less commercialisable).
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
"patriotic pride"
for better or worse I do think there's a lot of "soft power" at work behind these granting institutions. It's less about making Canadians feel good and more about setting up Canadian artists to punch above their weight internationally, thus making Canada seem cultured, successful, etc.
― rob, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link
Oh, absolutely. And it seems to be working pretty well-- but in Canada, "export" seems to be a priority. In Europe, certain countries spend lots of money on arts funding, but we (as outsiders) don't really seem to see it, as such efforts in France/Germany/Benelux seem to be focused more on stimulating culture for local benefit. Compare this with Iceland, where "export" is also a priority-- I could name 20 contemporary Icelandic bands compared to 5 contemporary French bands, i.e.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
I think the soft power thing is true and otm, but I don't see how it helps artists in the long run.
That's because outside of hip-hop contemporary french band are mostly terrible.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
I like Feu ! Chatterton, and that's about it.
There's a lot of shitty French hip-hop too tbf (see: Jul).
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:01 (three years ago) link
The sum up what was confused and confusing posts, here's my take: Can and Prov. governements should fund artists that are in need of financial help in order to advance their careers/pay the bills, and fund corporations and institutions that will allow the canadian cultural ecosystem to further blossom from an economic point of view. I see Grimes has being in neither category, as an artist, maybe in the second if she is indeed a co-owner of Crystal Meth.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:02 (three years ago) link
or Crystal Math.
which is a dumb name imo.
The government spent HOW MUCH on crystal meth??!
― umarell of the year (jmm), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:07 (three years ago) link
Looks like Crystal Math was founded in 2006 by the manager of the band Metric, “in an effort to assist (...) Metric self-release their next album 'Fantasies' without the backing of a traditional label.” I really can’t find more on the company’s officers or a link to Grimes, beyond the obvious fact that she’s on the label.
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu6YgBon-Rc
new track for the cyberpunk 2077 soundtrack (lizzy wizzy is the character she voices in game)
it's fine?
― ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 23:26 (three years ago) link
revisited miss anthropocene last night, confident it's her best
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 21:47 (three years ago) link
what a great company to partner with!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link
CD Projekt? Do they have a bad rep?
― good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
yeah anti-trans humor on social media and problematic stuff in the game
gamergate "pc culture is out of control" vibes all over
forced crunch/excessive working hours for workers
tried to fuck their employees out of bonuses because of bad review scores
game is super buggy and they have to offer refunds to ps4 and xbox one owners
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:10 (three years ago) link
Tbf much of it wasn't immediately apparent. And speaking of collaborators, see also:
https://cyberpunk2077.bandcamp.com/album/cyberpunk-2077-radio-vol-1-original-soundtrack
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link
pissed jeans have a song on it too
― flopson, Thursday, 17 December 2020 06:07 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfrIrTzdJKY
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 00:53 (three years ago) link
lol she announces she has Covid and she's "weirdly enjoying" it and it barely makes my social media feeds, what a time
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 9 January 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link
It’s not as popular right nowBut Bitcoins also a cash cow And even though she’s fallen someI still grew my initial sum I’m told that I’m on the spectrum I catch crypto like ash ketchum Crypto king, like Kim dot com Get me some etherium!— 𝑪𝒍𝒂𝒊𝒓𝒆 𝒅𝒆 𝑳𝒖𝒏𝒆࿎ (@Grimezsz) January 28, 2021
new grimes jam dropped
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 28 January 2021 15:54 (three years ago) link
every line of that is calculated to make my brain leak out my ears
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 28 January 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link
not as popular as elon right now but
― Florida Man vs. California Bill (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 28 January 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
lmaoooohttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/grimes-nft-digital-artwork-1134516/
― davey, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:47 (three years ago) link
jesus christhttps://niftygateway.com/collections/warnymphvolume1
― davey, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:49 (three years ago) link
omg this shit is terrible, it's like if wyland stopped painting humpback whales and started making 3d renderings of space babies, this is what we would gethttps://res.cloudinary.com/nifty-gateway/image/upload/q_auto:good,w_800/v1614181985/Max/Grimes/Newborn_3_f8zgk5.jpg
― davey, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link
it's like angela from the office entered into a goth phase and redid the jazz babies poster in maya 3d, lmaoooooo
http://theofficecom106.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/4/4/60449985/3753068.jpg
― davey, Monday, 1 March 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
Musician makes mediocre artwork shocker
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Monday, 1 March 2021 18:23 (three years ago) link
alright wiseass, u can dismiss the art itself but are u not impressed by grimes's revolutionary incorporation of blockchain technology into the commercialization of her work? does nothing impress you?
― davey, Monday, 1 March 2021 18:32 (three years ago) link
and really tho, u think this is merely mediocre? not, say, catastrophically tasteless?
― davey, Monday, 1 March 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link
Since you asked - I don't personally care about this shit, and don't get why ppl come here to clown on her every time she does something mildly cringy (or is accused of something by association).
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Monday, 1 March 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link
i understand. i love a lot of grimes' music. she's very often brilliant. i think people have been unduly harsh towards her, too. i wouldn't be in here to diss some shit i thought was just mildly cringy.
everything about this stunt grosses me out: the vaguely specified charitable committment, the lazy deviantart quality of the work, the blockchain gimmick. i don't get worked up about the politics of the art world very often, but this shit strikes me as deeply cynical and it disgusts me and i wonder if it's not almost a little evil.
― davey, Monday, 1 March 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link
NFTs are extremely embarrassing and every other musician who expresses interest in them should be clowned on just as much
― ufo, Monday, 1 March 2021 21:14 (three years ago) link
Half of my twitter timeline is either musicians clowning on NFTs or Mat Dryhurst defending them
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 1 March 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
new all purpose headline to be used going forward for anything grimes-related:
GRIMES DOES VERY STUPID THING THAT SOME MAY SAY ISN'T STUPID
"How can she possibly need more money", said one fan when asked about the development.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 1 March 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link
this feels like first dave matthews band album's magic eye cover
― sell her Dior (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link
if people bought magic eyes for $250,000. maybe they did?
― sell her Dior (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
davey otm that this work would be most appropriately installed on the side of an office tower or two on the way out to the airport
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 1 March 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link
my take is that NFTs are dumb in many ways, not the least of which is the giant energy suck that is crypto mining that underpins the transactionson the other hand, the “art” aspect pretty much cut out the middleman when it comes to artistic works as money laundering instrument and if anyone wants to get that money, have at it
― mh, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 13:06 (three years ago) link
Art’s ugly, but the real joke is people paying for that shit.
A percentage of the proceeds from the WarNymph NFT sales will be donated to Carbon180, an NGO dedicated to reducing carbon emissions.
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 13:23 (three years ago) link
Pretty horrendous if true.
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 13:27 (three years ago) link
jesus
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 13:38 (three years ago) link
The part about energy consumption in this case is a fallacy, since these NFT's are hosted on the Ethereum blockchain which does many many many more things than just host NFT's. That would be the same as complaining about the energy usage of banks or Amazon Web Services.
― Marty8501 (Marty Innerlogic), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 14:58 (three years ago) link
why wouldn't you complain about those things?
― rob, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 14:59 (three years ago) link
Would complain if Grimes released album only available to new bank of america accounts
― sell her Dior (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link
Boooh, blockchains are bad! (absolute nonsense)
― Marty8501 (Marty Innerlogic), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link
That would be the same as complaining about the energy usage of banks or Amazon Web Services.while some of the money dried up over the past four years, we institutionally incentivize companies to use “green” (quotes due to the credit-trading nature) energy. of the multiple reasons I live not far from multiple large data centers (not AWS but several of the other big names) is my state’s power grid is 40% wind energy and they can sign deals with the power company to say they’re sourcing 100% of their energy from windnearly all companies brag when their facilities are LEED certified. whether or not that helps in marketing, idk
― mh, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
the other day I read about a LEED-certified detention centre for asylum seekers
― rob, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link
The part about energy consumption in this case is a fallacy, since these NFT's are hosted on the Ethereum blockchain which does many many many more things than just host NFT's.
I speak with some level of authority, as a person who used to work with/for ppl in the Ethereum foundation, that sarahell is correct and none of the current applications remotely justify this sort of energy consumption.
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link
kinda wish I could beam that Grimes art page back to satoshi so he/they could see how this shit panned out
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link
something very disquieting about spelling boo with an h
― rob, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 16:03 (three years ago) link
a stank of hoob about it
― sell her Dior (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link
Also if you don't specify the percentage you're giving to charity then everybody knows it's going to be 0.001% of fuck-all.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 00:59 (three years ago) link
I think blockchain is good for small-scale things where the number of tokens needed and the number of transactions are both low. For instance, property records in a smaller city.
The issue is with consensus being a big issue with... idk, blockchain is terrible as used now and if you can get some tokens without mining just do it and cash out. Everyone should cash out on weird shit people trade, and as many people as possible, because shit is weird as hell out there
― mh, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 02:43 (three years ago) link
basically any time I think about this for more than two minutes I go from pensive thoughts to "fuck it, cash out if you can get cash and never talk to me about blockchain again"
― mh, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 02:44 (three years ago) link
― sell her Dior (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 03:30 (three years ago) link
This is the stupidest fucking shit I've ever seen.
Complete peak mania.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 06:26 (three years ago) link
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/record-labels/9535316/grimes-columbia-records-deal/
Continuing in a streak of lameness.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 6 March 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
lmao please what the fuck is grimes talking about pic.twitter.com/mrFuH4Ouvb— Olivia Little (@OliviaLittle) June 3, 2021
― peace, man, Thursday, 3 June 2021 11:24 (two years ago) link
she really never advanced beyond the "first time i got stoned out of my gourd in the freshman dorm" phase huh
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 June 2021 14:06 (two years ago) link
deciding when to not take someone seriously on political and social issues is something that’s lacking in our current marketplace of ideasmusic, music videos, etc. seem fine but ol’ grimey’s world view is basically tumblr + skimming wikipedia articles
― mh, Thursday, 3 June 2021 14:32 (two years ago) link
I’ve been feeling like I woke up in the movie Idiocracy for a couple of years now.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:08 (two years ago) link
Where is grimes content, that seems to be a twelve year old girl. (n.b. I have never knowingly seen or heard her speak before.)
― I was born anxious, here's how to do it. (ledge), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:08 (two years ago) link
Why is there a Reebok logo on her nose?
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
Maybe they're sponsoring her on TikTok.
― o. nate, Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:38 (two years ago) link
lEt'S bE rEaL eFoRcEd FaRmInG iS rEaLlY nOt A vIbE
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link
fuck this grifter.
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:43 (two years ago) link
over a certain income/wealth level it should cost you 100k per published take on any social media format
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link
Love it when a millionaire married to a billionaire lectures on "true equality".
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:58 (two years ago) link
Huh, she reminds me of anglo Montrealer girls I worked with in a call centre 20 years ago.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 3 June 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link
Grifter implies that she’s getting something out of this. She’s just dumb.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 3 June 2021 16:52 (two years ago) link
Elon prob has a few investments or w/e in AI
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 3 June 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link
I was going to say.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 June 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
https://www.startribune.com/this-boat-don-t-float/49134952/
I know the boat story is old news but I can't ever shake it from my when Grimes comes up (cuz I live about a mile from where they "moored") and I love this detail from the Strib article where they talk about how you can't be Tom Sawyer anymore cuz the "man"
They got a copy of Mark Twain's "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn," which neither of them had read
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:10 (two years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:14 (two years ago) link
no clue how much money she might have in the bank, but afaict she is not married
― mh, Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:53 (two years ago) link
Ok they aren't married, but are you suggesting she sees no financial benefit from her boyfriend and the father of her child being one of earth's richest people?
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:57 (two years ago) link
i feel like a lot of social media is this divide between serious self-proclaimed polymath intellectuals and ppl who are just vibing and both take issue w/grimes
― mh, Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:58 (two years ago) link
xp she undoubtedly does, but I don’t really know or care? making art that kind of played around with fashion/sci-fi/tumblr nerd themes is supposedly what led her to speak with EM to begin with. she was on the silly “vibing about ai” train before they ever met!
― mh, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:01 (two years ago) link
Right, it's just that my feathers get ruffled when anyone with that much money lectures about "true equality". Even setting aside her partner's insane wealth hoarding and gross market manipulation, I can't imagine she's hurting for money.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
credibility meter’s hovering near zero on that topic for sure
― mh, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link
grimes views on pretty much everything are tone-deaf, unrelatable and irrelevant. she abandoned her community and her fans for money and power and she is hungry for more. send tweet.— Ashley Obscura (@hologramrainbow) June 3, 2021
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:44 (two years ago) link
was she really embedded in any community (honestly idk?) how does one abandon a parasocial relationship
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link
I mean she was pretty embedded in the mtl arty pop scene for a few years (I was there!)
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:50 (two years ago) link
yeah absolutely, she was a pretty big part of Artbutus Records which was (near?) the nucleus of a certain scene; Ashl*y above was connected to that
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:00 (two years ago) link
― sean gramophone, Thursday, January 5, 2012 9:08 AM (nine years ago)
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
*arbutus
damn no one can say you didn't call it
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link
― peace, man, Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:12 (two years ago) link
saw the "twatterino" tweet again
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:19 (two years ago) link
lets be real : enforced farming is really not a vibe
― clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link
elton musk can’t build a self-driving car capable of navigating a roundabout but sure let’s put the fate of the planet in the hands of artificial intelligence what’s the worst that can happen
― you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
enforced farming, apparently
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Thursday, 3 June 2021 20:07 (two years ago) link
surely it's one of the logical endpoints of the "fail early, fail often" philosophy to where you just forget the following steps and continue failing while suckering people into throwing money at you
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 June 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
Tbc the worst thing that can happen is something not being a vibe. A common criticism of the Great Leap Forward.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 3 June 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
Xp
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 3 June 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link
surely killing a vibe involves the destruction of a vibe and os therefore worse than a vibe that simply never was?
― bogo jumbo junbi boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 3 June 2021 20:32 (two years ago) link
Something about her parcours is becoming incredibly fascinating. I think no artist is aggregating so much of what is wrong with today's culture quite like her?
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 June 2021 23:13 (two years ago) link
GUYS WAIT
HEAR ME OUT
WHAT IF
what if the vibe was the memories we were creating the entire time???????
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Thursday, 3 June 2021 23:55 (two years ago) link
This is a classic case of an interesting and valid idea worthy of serious discussion being discarded due to the very sloppy way in which it was expressed and presented, or perhaps that a young woman wearing face paint was presenting it, I don't know.
I've had similar thoughts to what Grimes expressed in her post for years. AI (if implemented correctly... this is a huge huge IF) is indeed the only way I see for humanity to actually have long term global equanimity and social stability that is protected from the inherent human failings of corruption, racism/xenophobia, short sighted greed, and vanity from wrecking all the things. And by AI I don't mean sentience, per se, but advanced tools that actually supersede and hold sway over the ruling class, long term ideally removing them from said class. Now how the ruling class will allow such a system is another thing. Perhaps an entity like the EU begins to incorporate some aspects over time. It certainly has institutional structures in place that could support such a concept, especially if it leads to the massive potential benefits. But dismissing the above "because it's Grimes" is as dumb as people are painting Grimes to be here.
― octobeard, Friday, 4 June 2021 02:09 (two years ago) link
corruption, racism/xenophobia, short sighted greed, and vanity from wrecking all the things
are these in fact all inherent human failings
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 4 June 2021 02:12 (two years ago) link
i guess yeah destroying capitalism is probably more difficult than implementing ai
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 4 June 2021 02:13 (two years ago) link
my day job is directly in the ai/agriculture sphere lol
― mh, Friday, 4 June 2021 02:34 (two years ago) link
The EU is not known for depriving the wealthy and elite of power.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 4 June 2021 02:37 (two years ago) link
(also AI thus far has proved to be even more racist than humans)
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 4 June 2021 02:38 (two years ago) link
Good example Milo, AI is much more at risk of repeating or worse even amplifying said inherent human failings than doing the opposite. If we were able to create an ideal world, I beliebe we would have.
What people are dismissing is technologism as solution, and Grimes is sorta the ambassador of such ideology in the pop and art world.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 4 June 2021 02:43 (two years ago) link
the thing is that grimes doesn't actually have anything particularly interesting to say there at all (and yes she presented it in a particularly stupid way). plenty has been written about how advances in automation could lead to a post-scarcity economy, including by marx himself, who viewed it as a key part of a communist society, but claiming that "AI is the fastest path to communism" is just poorly thought out tech-utopian nonsense from grimes. the level of automation required for post-scarcity communism wouldn't even need the sort of strong AI (like, greater-than-human intelligence that can just 'solve for abundance' and 'prevent corruption') that she's talking about anyway, and just improving automation technology isn't naturally going to lead to post-scarcity communism either, as marx argued.
the sort of AI that grimes means is an absurdly difficult problem that is not going to happen within any of our lifetimes. destroying capitalism for socialism/communism, while very hard & unfortunately unlikely, still isn't that degree of impossible.
― ufo, Friday, 4 June 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link
oh thank god
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 4 June 2021 03:06 (two years ago) link
it's too bad grimes died after releasing Visions, that was a really great album. Oh the stuff she may have done had she not perished.
― akm, Friday, 4 June 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link
art angels ruled! & the last one was ok in places i guess
she has always been pretty goofy and sometimes "cringe" in her public statements etc. though, it just went from being kinda endearingly quirky to completely obnoxious after she started dating the world's richest man & started trying to actually justify her politics/defend elon etc. instead of just throwing out goofy quotes & doing ridiculous stuff like the houseboat story
― ufo, Friday, 4 June 2021 03:25 (two years ago) link
FUCK YOU GRIMES
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 4 June 2021 04:47 (two years ago) link
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, June 3, 2021 2:50 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― sean gramophone, Thursday, June 3, 2021 3:00 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
a lot of those ppl were super bitter towards her long before elon musk or anything tho.. like in 2012-13 even
― flopson, Friday, 4 June 2021 05:06 (two years ago) link
oh i didn't realise ashl*y was one of the dancers in the "vanessa" video lol
idk about any bitterness from that scene towards towards her at the time of her breakout in 2012 etc. but there's obviously been a lot more open hostility towards her from people who knew her then since her heel turn with dating elon etc.
arbutus records also screwed over a lot of people, right? (including grimes)
― ufo, Friday, 4 June 2021 07:43 (two years ago) link
For anyone confused about Grimes' political beliefs, don't worry, she also has no fucking clue pic.twitter.com/DkNkcBi3Mg— Lily Simpson (@LilySimpson1312) June 3, 2021
a good illustration of grimes' politics is this, where she explains that "I pledge allegiance to the robot overlords" was at least a somewhat-sincerely sincerely meant political statement, not just her being a goofy sci-fi nerd like you would expect
― ufo, Friday, 4 June 2021 11:14 (two years ago) link
I sincerely doubt that she's sincerely stupid enough to believe what she says. Free market socialism simply doesn't exist and AI is not going to change that fact. Tesla will not stop treating their workers like shit when their robot overlord demands it in the same way that global poverty hasn't been eliminated by the demands of crytocurrancy.
― BrianB, Friday, 4 June 2021 12:28 (two years ago) link
I still want to know who develops, implements, controls and maintains this as-yet-undeveloped AI that is going to divest the ruling class of their power.
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 4 June 2021 12:47 (two years ago) link
grimes, duh
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 4 June 2021 12:48 (two years ago) link
some anime I have viewed seems to indicate it develops itself, or perhaps is alien in origin
― mh, Friday, 4 June 2021 13:17 (two years ago) link
I didn’t actually watch it, though, I just read some fanfic about it on tumblr while stoned
― mh, Friday, 4 June 2021 13:18 (two years ago) link
It all begins when the geek squad arrives at seth rogen's los angeles 'porn house' to bring the newly networked 'smart home' online.
― butyrate humbucker bobbins (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 4 June 2021 14:17 (two years ago) link
^^ gets it
― mh, Friday, 4 June 2021 14:54 (two years ago) link
has anyone ever read that stanislaw lem short story about the planet that's populated by robots who will kill any non-robot being on sight? then the twist is that all of the robots are actually just humans in disguise, but none of them are actually aware and have been tricked into thinking that they're the only ones that are a human in a robot disguise? and they all subsequently go around terrorizing each other to weed out any humans in disguise?
i feel like that's what claire means when she is praising the "robot overlords."
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:08 (two years ago) link
fantano otm
Comrade Fantano pic.twitter.com/6phymRfDnY— Xavier's Online 🌒 (@xaviersonline) June 4, 2021
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Friday, 4 June 2021 18:50 (two years ago) link
was hoping he'd draw the line back to Elon Musk and the question of whether his business is about helping humanity vs owning humanity.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 4 June 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
DJP I would like to know too. Knowing of a potential solution is one thing, actually implementing it is another.
― octobeard, Friday, 4 June 2021 18:57 (two years ago) link
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Friday, June 4, 2021 10:08 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
first name basis?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 June 2021 18:58 (two years ago) link
I don't agree with Fantano very much but the point he explicitly made in that video is the point I was implicitly making
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 4 June 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
I sincerely doubt that she's sincerely stupid enough to believe what she says.
you need to meet more stupid people
― akm, Friday, 4 June 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link
DJP, on the same page too, which is why I qualified my original post with: "AI (if implemented correctly... this is a huge huge IF)". This is assuming it was written, built, and maintained by humanity for humanity as a whole, not the ruling class as Fantano outlined would realistically happen. In fact, I feel a more "realistic" scenario involving AI is it enabling a sustained Techno-Corporate Fascism in the name of "fighting corruption" and "stabilization" which is probably what China is very close to sustaining for their country and why I bet most of the Western Ruling Class is very jealous and envious of how they're running things right now.
That said, I still think a benevolent government with a non-human entity driving large scale decision making is still our best bet in the long term, assuming it's done right. But it has to be done right.
― octobeard, Friday, 4 June 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link
well yes, if god were real, that would solve a lot of problems.
― vcrash, Friday, 4 June 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link
am i stupid for thinking shes just like ... performing
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 4 June 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link
this is like, peggy hill saying she considers the day after thanksgiving the busiest shopping day of the year. its ilx's pvmic thread. seriously considering it as a policy proposition seems beside the point
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 4 June 2021 20:36 (two years ago) link
i'm not wading in here but that's otm
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 4 June 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link
We should evaluate it as a performance of someone suggesting a political proposition then? Do you think it succeeds on those terms?
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 4 June 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
the kind of performance she's doing is antithetical to the politics she's namechecking.
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 4 June 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link
i have a dumb question: when, like, that Fantano video zooms in on his face, clearly to emphasize certain words ... is that him doing that? like at :32, is he tapping a zoom button twice? or ... no?
i'm sorry, i know this is way off topic, i just have to know.
― alpine static, Friday, 4 June 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link
the kind of performance she's doing is antithetical to the politics she's namechecking.― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, June 4, 2021 2:04 PM
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, June 4, 2021 2:04 PM
stop making sense.☺
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Friday, 4 June 2021 21:25 (two years ago) link
also xpost to alpine: i wondered the same thing. is he really doing post-production on a tiktok selfie video?????
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Friday, 4 June 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link
I mean, I don't really know the hows tbh, but I'm assuming he does it for the same reason every single YouTube/TikTok/whatever video randomly cuts angles and closeups because the internet seems to be allergic to unchanging still shots of a talking head
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 June 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link
He's dunking on grimes' political proposition performance production values
― BrianB, Friday, 4 June 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link
I'll see the faux commiebot bugs on your face and raise you a closeup of my proletariat pores. How u like them apples?
― BrianB, Friday, 4 June 2021 22:29 (two years ago) link
Scanning Fantano’s bookshelf for Four Futures: Life After Capitalism.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 4 June 2021 22:35 (two years ago) link
I lol'd but really now... (quoting Clarke's third law) "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" seems to apply here.
So yes, perhaps if we're lucky we'll get the alien overlords instead of Hal. I think we all can agree humans haven't got the best track record as leaders.
― octobeard, Friday, 4 June 2021 23:05 (two years ago) link
I guess I just don't see it as a particularly useful argument; it elides a lot of stuff in a teleological way.
― vcrash, Saturday, 5 June 2021 04:46 (two years ago) link
has anyone ever read that stanislaw lem short story about the planet that's populated by robots who will kill any non-robot being on sight? then the twist is that all of the robots are actually just humans in disguise, but none of them are actually aware and have been tricked into thinking that they're the only ones that are a human in a robot disguise? and they all subsequently go around terrorizing each other to weed out any humans in disguise?i feel like that's what claire means when she is praising the "robot overlords."― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Friday, June 4, 2021 8:08 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Friday, June 4, 2021 8:08 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
this adds a sinister new dimension to the “robots in dis guys” thread
― JoeStork, Saturday, 5 June 2021 08:09 (two years ago) link
btw the luxembourg signal already recorded the definitive "praise our robot overlords" theme song many years ago:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZDyvDICnWY
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Saturday, 5 June 2021 17:23 (two years ago) link
nah ppl were hating years before elon
― flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
I think all of the musicians who tried to patiently explain ai in music and generative art to her on twitter gave up after that incident and just facepalm any time Grimes says something nowI think it’s pretty clear the “ai” she’s talking about is not based in any sort of study of actual technology in use now, or the direction that current r&d is going, nor is it based on current ethical and philosophical work. It’s just stoner thought experiment territoryThere’s nothing wrong with that per se, but it reminds me of a friend and his college classmate who would get really stoned and then have “debates” that were utterly nonsensical. Like, “we need to enforce birth control because overpopulation will ruin the planet” versus “we will develop technologies that cleanse pollution and will have massive cities a thousand stories high housing billions of people”
― mh, Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:11 (two years ago) link
You can debate whether this is harmful because it’s coming from someone who lives with Elon Musk and speaking in such a way is irresponsible, but in all likelihood that state of affairs probably has an expiration date
― mh, Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link
obligatory link to video demonstrating where music AI is actually at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH2EbK9dQlg
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
isn't what she said basically just 'fully automated luxury gay space communism', which was not an uncommon thing for online leftwing people to say like 2 years ago? verso published a book with that title
― flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link
Her partner is one of the richest people on the planet, she left out the part about stripping him of his power and wealth that’s necessary for communism.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link
Yes, which was itself a redux of 50-year-old ideas from people like Bookchin and Firestone - which is why it seems pretty silly to present this like it's an original proposition that communists haven't thought about because of their hostility to AI.xp
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:03 (two years ago) link
xp- i get that part, ppl upthread were calling it tech-bro utopianism tho
― flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
Without considering a reconfiguration of power structures, it is just tech bro utopianism. It’s the underpants gnome meme but for a classless society instead of profit.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:09 (two years ago) link
I think the plan is to murder all the useless poor people and then have a faux communist paradise exclusively for all the multi-billionaires that remain. Comrade musk will basically organise the new society like an endless fyre festival but with robots
― building a hole (NickB), Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:10 (two years ago) link
Maybe it just bums her out to know that her grandchildren will have to be guillotined for the plan to work.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link
Without considering a reconfiguration of power structures, it is just tech bro utopianism. It’s the underpants gnome meme but for a classless society instead of profit.― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, June 5, 2021 5:09 PM (forty-six seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, June 5, 2021 5:09 PM (forty-six seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
i don't see the part where she specifies 'without any reconfiguration of power structures.' i suppose that's something u can read into it (presumably she doesn't think her husband's head should be put on a spike) but what she says (and imo what all fully-automated luxury gay space communism is implicitly arguing) is p consistent with the depiction of technology in, say, chapter 15 of capital vol 1
With every advance in the use of machinery, the constant component of capital, that part which consists of machinery, raw material, &c., increases, while the variable component, the part laid out in labour-power, decreases.
The extraordinary increase in the productivity of large-scale industry accompanied as it is by both a more intensive and a more extensive exploitation of labor-power in all spheres of production, permits a larger and larger part of the working-class to be employed unproductively.
where "machinery"/ai will continuously reduce the share of human labour as an input to production. it's not clear that marx believed that a reconfiguration of power structure was key to the development of technology that would bring about abundance. imo he seemed to think communism would piggy-back on those technologies, at least up to a point, where the final development in service of shared abundance would be worked out
it could be that people are mad because she didn't appropriately cite references, as Sund4r claims, or maybe fully automated style communism is going out of fashion and a more hippie anti-industrial agrarian style of communism is now in vogue. but i think substantively what she's saying is p standard, it's just the grimes factor/elon musk association that is driving ppl up the walls
― flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:17 (two years ago) link
the Elon Musk association is not trivial
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:19 (two years ago) link
sure. i mean i personally don't care, but i guess i feel some sympathy to fans who had put stock in her as a political figure before who were let down by it
― flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:24 (two years ago) link
Technology without reconfiguration can bring about unparalleled abundance - for a tiny sliver of the population. (It already has!) That's the problem with her tweaked-out statement and tech-bro utopianism - it rests on the assumption that abundance will be shared equally (or, more likely, people who have babies with billionaires don't actually care about the last bit) which is just a giant lol because look at the world around us. We could have abundance right now and don't, there is no reason to believe that AI/technology in and of itself will become an equalizer. That's what people are roasting, not that she promoted "communism," because she clearly has no interest in communism.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:26 (two years ago) link
As we might gather from her statement that she's a socialist for now 'but not economically.'
We have a millionaire partnered with a billionaire telling us about magical robot elves who'll make everything better (so trust the tech bros, like my partner).
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:27 (two years ago) link
I'm not mad. I just think she's goofy.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:29 (two years ago) link
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, June 5, 2021 6:26 PM (four seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
ya i disagree that that's what people are roasting, given that it's not something she said. really all she says is "AI will create the possibility of us not having to work" the bit about that happening without any increase in sharing of resources is being read into it
We could have abundance right now and don't
depends how you define abundance. global gdp per capita is like 12k usd, so like 33 dollars per day. that's roughly the income level of peru. also that's under the assumption that transitioning to an equal global income distribution wouldn't affect the total amount of income. gdp per capita has grown at about 4% per year on average the last 20 years, so assuming that keeps up (probably optimistic, it currently looks like it's slowing down), in another 20 years we'll be at 26k, roughly current income level of Latvia. imho we're still a while away, materially speaking, from a communist transition to abundance
― flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:43 (two years ago) link
Taking an idea that was wildly utopian in the first place, simplifying it to dorm-room stoner level, and then presenting it as a "proposition" to the only people in the world who already believe in it is lolworthy, even aside from the implications of her actual class position, etc.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:45 (two years ago) link
i agree, it could have been presented in a more academically rigorous way
― flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:50 (two years ago) link
roughly current income level of Latvia
actually a little closer to Malaysia (which is perhaps surprisingly marginally richer)
― flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:51 (two years ago) link
the bit about that happening without any increase in sharing of resources is being read into it
Because she doesn’t mention it, yes - and it’s a fundamental element of the “fully-automated communism” desire you’re comparing to her.
depends how you define abundance
People in the richest country in the world not dying in the street while this chucklehead’s partner manipulates the market for CummyCoin for one.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 5 June 2021 22:52 (two years ago) link
maybe fully automated style communism is going out of fashion and a more hippie anti-industrial agrarian style of communism is now in vogue
flopson, I'm in the middle of both of them so can't fully endorse yet, but you might be interested in these two books, neither of which match that description afaict but are p critical of FAL-communism:https://www.versobooks.com/books/3184-breaking-things-at-workhttps://www.plutobooks.com/9780745338606/inhuman-power/
― rob, Saturday, 5 June 2021 23:05 (two years ago) link
thx rob. gavin's book is on my to-read pile but i hadn't heard of the other one
― flopson, Saturday, 5 June 2021 23:09 (two years ago) link
it's fun so far, though I am definitely actual-luddism-sympathetic already. I haven't gotten far at all with the Dyer-Witheford et al and I suspect it is probably not super compelling if you're not interested in AI qua AI. In its favour the opening chapter has one of the better explanations of current AI tech that I've seen
― rob, Saturday, 5 June 2021 23:15 (two years ago) link
It’s incredibly tone deaf however you try to rationalize it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 5 June 2021 23:51 (two years ago) link
Yeah I doubt Grimes truly cares about all that theory that has been discussed in this thread. What people are mad about is how she turns that important discussion into an aesthetic meant to look cool or hip.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 6 June 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link
Realiti (demo) just came on and it made me very sad how much I (still) love it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 June 2021 07:05 (two years ago) link
What people are mad about is how she turns that important discussion into an aesthetic meant to look cool or hip.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, June 5, 2021 7:19 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yea she’s the one who “turned” this conversation that way
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 10 June 2021 09:56 (two years ago) link
I find it's easier to enjoy more music and artists if you don't follow them on social media.
― octobeard, Thursday, 10 June 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
I don’t really use social media often and it’s hard not to follow her techno-fascist opinions when the news cycle has a hard-on for everything musk-related.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 June 2021 16:37 (two years ago) link
I for one got more entertainment from this TikTok than from her music.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 10 June 2021 16:40 (two years ago) link
Anything that creates negative perceptions about musk and herself nowadays is fine by me too. Fuck them both.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 June 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link
― octobeard, Thursday, June 10, 2021 11:16 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
i find it's easier to enjoy if you dont take their social performance as literal policy propositions
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
she has the methiest vibes. her and elon are probably tuend ot the moon 24/7
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:40 (two years ago) link
woah typos
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
lol plausible theory
― flopson, Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:43 (two years ago) link
we had a spy in the house, but it was azealia so…
― mh, Thursday, 10 June 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRkAPIdCum8/
i like this snippet! it seems like new music is probably coming soon, elsewhere she's talking about a music video for another track being almost ready
― ufo, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 13:28 (two years ago) link
Probably have to spend $25000 and buy it as an NFT
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 22 July 2021 02:00 (two years ago) link
"shinigami eyes" is the lead single and confirmed to be out soon
― ufo, Friday, 23 July 2021 08:29 (two years ago) link
― Murgatroid, Friday, 24 September 2021 15:03 (two years ago) link
finally
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 24 September 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
Her kid finally called her "mama"?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FACgA2cVUAYixJw?format=jpg&name=medium
― peace, man, Friday, 24 September 2021 15:13 (two years ago) link
no look for other trending grimes posts
― call all destroyer, Friday, 24 September 2021 15:15 (two years ago) link
I know. Was a joke.
― peace, man, Friday, 24 September 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link
I've actually been enjoying the new Fox talent show Alter/Ego where Grimes is one of the judges along with Will.I.Am, Alanis Morrisette, and Nick Lachey. They're a super awkward panel with no chemistry between them and will probably end up getting the show cancelled, but the idea of average folks designing rock star holograms that mimic their moves while they sing backstage is a good one I think. The loser has to come out onstage and perform as themselves at the end and invariably, they're better performers as themselves than they were as holograms, but they had lacked the confidence to perform onstage or had been told that they didn't have the right look to be a singer or whatever, so you get their emotional back story and redemption through the show. I mean, it's shlock, but somehow compelling to watch. And now it's kind of funny that they picked Grimes as a judge for her "futurist" cred for an audience who likely only knows her as Elon's now ex-girlfriend. She's got a quiet mumbley voice, big metal claws on her fingers and weird mannerisms like hugging her knees up by her face when she talks. I'm guessing the producers are probably sweating this break-up pretty hard.
― BrianB, Friday, 24 September 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
Honestly wasn't sure if that last post was legit or some kind of meta-parody, but nope, it's a real show.
― Position Position, Friday, 24 September 2021 16:24 (two years ago) link
she split with Elon? is nothing sacred?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 24 September 2021 16:31 (two years ago) link
“I think having a baby was a big kind of like rebirth for me, like artistically. Like, it just like, I don’t know,” she told Vogue while getting ready for the Met Gala.
https://pagesix.com/2021/09/24/elon-musk-and-grimes-break-up-after-three-years-together/
"Like, it just like, I don't know" is a fitting epitaph for their relationship.
― Position Position, Friday, 24 September 2021 16:40 (two years ago) link
goddamn it, they were perfect together. if grimes and elon can't make it work, what hope do we all have? at least we'll get to watch T1000 grow up and remember what we had these 3 years.
― balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 24 September 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link
looking forward to an endless string of Grimes gholas that Elon must eventually murder once they turn on him
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 24 September 2021 17:52 (two years ago) link
one of those breakups where you lose 99.9999% of your net worth
― aegis philbin (crüt), Friday, 24 September 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link
Who could see that coming?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 24 September 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
Maybe now her artistic cred will come back
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 24 September 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
At least they gave us space travel
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 24 September 2021 19:10 (two years ago) link
Good Morning, “Grimes dating Elon Musk” was a 3 year sociological study conducted by Harvard University. We are now complete with our study. Thank you for your time.— roach ^.^ (@a_roach06) September 24, 2021
― enochroot, Friday, 24 September 2021 19:25 (two years ago) link
[texting]GRIMES: 🌞 ¡good morninggg! 👻 xDDDDMUSK: hello my evropa, my sparkling summer solstice of sweet sherry. no-gods do i love alliterationGRIMES: what R U doin todayyy 🧠👀MUSK: methinks at precisely 22:35 on the dot i shall tonguepunch your delectable twatterino ;P— erica ✌️😉💜 (@babyfacepop) May 22, 2018
GRIMES: 🌞 ¡good morninggg! 👻 xDDDD
MUSK: hello my evropa, my sparkling summer solstice of sweet sherry. no-gods do i love alliteration
GRIMES: what R U doin todayyy 🧠👀
MUSK: methinks at precisely 22:35 on the dot i shall tonguepunch your delectable twatterino ;P
— erica ✌️😉💜 (@babyfacepop) May 22, 2018
R.I.P.
― peace, man, Friday, 24 September 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link
lmao Moodles
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 24 September 2021 22:14 (two years ago) link
Honestly wasn't sure if that last post was legit or some kind of meta-parody, but nope, it's a real show.― Position Position, Friday, September 24, 2021 9:24 AM
― Position Position, Friday, September 24, 2021 9:24 AM
i can only imagine what a grimes breakup album will sound like at this point.
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Saturday, 25 September 2021 03:47 (two years ago) link
Here's a promo clip for Alter Ego with Grimes:
#AlterEgo is turning dreams into reality. ✨ Check out this sneak peek with @Grimezsz and don’t miss the premiere tomorrow night. @AlterEgoOnFOX pic.twitter.com/EijdnQRFlQ— Hulu (@hulu) September 21, 2021
― jaymc, Saturday, 25 September 2021 04:41 (two years ago) link
it's hard to think of a semi-famous musician less suited to tv hosting than her
― ufo, Saturday, 25 September 2021 06:52 (two years ago) link
think about poor little CTL.ALT.DEL, barely a robolad, future is ruined
― Swanswans, Saturday, 25 September 2021 09:49 (two years ago) link
saw someone on reddit goofing on the couple by referring to their child as "syntax error" — sadlolfacepalm
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Saturday, 25 September 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
We’ll always have X AE A-12.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 26 September 2021 05:56 (two years ago) link
Saw 5 mins of Alter Ego. I think Elon might have been the one to end the relationship after catching a preview of it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 26 September 2021 09:38 (two years ago) link
thought this was the onion at first
Grimes seen reading Karl Marx following split with world's richest man Elon Musk https://t.co/fY5lC61rzo pic.twitter.com/gj9VxOIKAN— Page Six (@PageSix) October 2, 2021
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 2 October 2021 23:13 (two years ago) link
Even the picture looks exactly like the kind of photoshopped picture the onion world make
― silverfish, Sunday, 3 October 2021 02:07 (two years ago) link
would make
the pic with the full length dune-inspired bodysuit is really something
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 3 October 2021 02:47 (two years ago) link
i'm glad she's managing to have fun with paparazzi harassing her i guess
― ufo, Sunday, 3 October 2021 02:52 (two years ago) link
Arghh why is she so fucking lame. She used to be one of the coolest artists of her generation. Now she just makes me sad.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 3 October 2021 03:45 (two years ago) link
Yeah this looks like a photoshoot and she might be trolling but that doesn’t make it cool, tbh it makes it more lame.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 3 October 2021 03:53 (two years ago) link
idk about her ever being 'cool', she was only ever endearingly uncool (like look at those music videos lol they're so goofy) & then it became very unendearing very quickly when she made her heel turn
― ufo, Sunday, 3 October 2021 03:59 (two years ago) link
she likes dark souls which is good
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 3 October 2021 04:06 (two years ago) link
Xpost: Not naturally cool no, but she wasn’t such a fucking tryhard. Posing for tabloids is as low as you can get.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 3 October 2021 04:19 (two years ago) link
i would argue she was very cool for a while around 2012
― flopson, Sunday, 3 October 2021 05:25 (two years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUjhhm9rB0M/
"personally I’m more interested in a radical decentralized ubi that I think could potentially be achieved thru crypto and gaming but I haven’t ironed that idea out enough yet to explain it" lmao
― ufo, Sunday, 3 October 2021 06:54 (two years ago) link
her outfit is so insane lol.. serving tatooine
― flopson, Sunday, 3 October 2021 08:26 (two years ago) link
― ufo, Sunday, October 3, 2021 2:54 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
one of my communist friends is super into imagining the future of central planning and he says in the communist economies of the future the market will be replaced with some decentralized institution that is a mix between a social network and will also have these ai chatbots who interview you about which goods you'd like to have
― flopson, Sunday, 3 October 2021 08:33 (two years ago) link
Tyranny of the Clippy
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 3 October 2021 08:38 (two years ago) link
paparazzi followed me 2 a shoot so I tried 2 think what I could do that would yield the most onion-ish possible headline and it worked haha pic.twitter.com/9w8pPwIFAq— Grimes 🪐 (@Grimezsz) October 3, 2021
that's what she was going for!
― ufo, Sunday, 3 October 2021 08:44 (two years ago) link
Still doing NFT scams
Bella Poarch x Grimes are dynamic musicians with cultural relevance: one is a TikTok icon, the other is a NFT pioneer. In this drop, IRL friends help each other break into the next big space. Brittany_Broski x GrimesBrittany Broski broke norms with one of the internet’s most iconic videos, propelling her overnight to as "Kombucha girl." Grimes broke expectations with a $6 million NFT series. Driven by authenticity, this pairing’s proceeds will go to charity.https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-launches-first-creator-led-nft-collection-powered-by-immutable-x
Brittany_Broski x GrimesBrittany Broski broke norms with one of the internet’s most iconic videos, propelling her overnight to as "Kombucha girl." Grimes broke expectations with a $6 million NFT series. Driven by authenticity, this pairing’s proceeds will go to charity.
https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-launches-first-creator-led-nft-collection-powered-by-immutable-x
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 3 October 2021 11:16 (two years ago) link
Love the authenticity inherent in being known as “kombucha girl”.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 3 October 2021 12:55 (two years ago) link
Lol that paparazzi story is such bullshit
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 3 October 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link
is it important? it's just trolling, is the point.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 3 October 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link
she's a bit of a nudnik
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 3 October 2021 16:34 (two years ago) link
Is it actually trolling if absolutely noone got baited?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 3 October 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link
Dawg she was dressed like she handing out side quests— Davy (@ItsAllGravyDavy) October 3, 2021
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 3 October 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
✖✖✖ (Moka) at 5:49 3 Oct 21Is it actually trolling if absolutely noone got baited?
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 3 October 2021 18:11 (two years ago) link
this man was Seen pic.twitter.com/uf0HvuV5Yw— wint (@dril) October 4, 2021
― calzino, Monday, 4 October 2021 14:48 (two years ago) link
lmao at "no one got baited" like did you actually see how people responded to this, including here?
― talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Monday, 4 October 2021 15:18 (two years ago) link
I don’t see anyone in here thinking for a moment that this wasn’t staged.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 October 2021 15:43 (two years ago) link
"trolling" means trying to provoke a reaction. Crowing very loudly about how transparently staged this is was is taking the bait.
― talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Monday, 4 October 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 4 October 2021 16:32 (two years ago) link
I think the photos were A1 but explaining the photos like she’s letting us in on it feels a bit lame
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 4 October 2021 16:52 (two years ago) link
So she transparently staged a goofy photo to troll people into saying it was goofy and transparently staged? Not sure I follow.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:22 (two years ago) link
I don't know, I guess it just struck how onion-like it was, everybody from Grimes to whoever photographed this to the NY Post was going for the onion esthetic.
― silverfish, Monday, 4 October 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link
If trolling simply means to provoke a reaction, under that definition every figure under every branch of human history and culture is a troll I guess.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:24 (two years ago) link
If you ask me there’s an implicit side of “trolling” and “baiting” which needs someone to actually believe you’re being serious about something oh so controversial. If everybody is on the know, it’s not trolling.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
Like a successful troll is someone like Kanye where you can’t actually tell if he is great at trolling or actually mentally unstable.
Yeah this thing she did got a reaction, but was it really a reaction at her “trolling” or a reaction at how lame it was?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
I read some of the interpretations of trolling here as simply meaning that she's trying to trick you into engaging one way or another, so if you acknowledge, engage, discuss this at all, you are falling for it. The implication is that Grimes simply should not be getting any attention whatsoever, but clearly that is not a unanimous opinion.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:51 (two years ago) link
Again, under that definition every celebrity is actually trolling.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
just to be clear, I'm not saying I agree with this interpretation
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link
Would you say you trolled Moka into replying?
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
Moodles you’re such a troll
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCNrK-n68CM
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
I have a copy of Art Angels in my record collection. Even though I'm sure I would still enjoy it musically, I haven't listened to it in a few years just because everything else about her has left a sour taste in my mouth. Anyway, a few weeks ago I was scanning through my records, saw her name scrawled on the spine and thought to myself "Whaaaaa? I don't own a Gorillaz album!" Ever since then, I've been on a big Gorillaz kick, so thanks Grimes!
― peace, man, Monday, 4 October 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
what, you stole Grimes's copy of "Gorillaz"?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:25 (two years ago) link
*Grimezsz
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link
She was trying to goad people into the exact reaction she’s been getting. That is the textbook definition of what trolling is. A lot of you spend way too much time on the internet for this to be hard to understand.
― talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link
gorillaz is music for babies!
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 4 October 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link
hi chaki!
― sarahell, Monday, 4 October 2021 19:39 (two years ago) link
what, you stole Grimes's copy of "Gorillaz"?― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, October 4, 2021 3:25 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, October 4, 2021 3:25 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
No, they just both have scrawly handwriting for their logos and I was briefly confused.
gorillaz is music for babies!― kurt schwitterz, Monday, October 4, 2021 3:36 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, October 4, 2021 3:36 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Well then good sir, I entreat you to a game of peek-a-boo because I am a baby.
― peace, man, Monday, 4 October 2021 19:53 (two years ago) link
where'd you go!?!?!
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 4 October 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link
i was just kidding, Grimes doesn't believe in private property
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 4 October 2021 20:46 (two years ago) link
This whole event is pretty representative of her thing. Pure gesture followed by unneeded rationalization for the ppl probably talking shit
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 4 October 2021 21:56 (two years ago) link
all we have learned is that she treats marxism as lulz, maybe she's aiming to get a spot on red scare.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 4 October 2021 22:04 (two years ago) link
What percentage of people online virtue signal with Marx daily. I’d say it’s a pretty high number
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 4 October 2021 22:38 (two years ago) link
Like as a percentage of the people talking about Marx overall, I mean
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 4 October 2021 22:39 (two years ago) link
the Marx marks fell for it
― balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/KeIGJKj.png
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 05:42 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsmvBR37xps
new song with dj chris lake
it's not very good but it does have a ridiculous concept attached - NPC is an "AI girl group".
Members are infinite in number and can be voted in or out, except for core members such as the baby Warnymph. NPC are a vehicle for experimentation in new technologies as they become available such as generative characters and music, diff types of animation, ai assisted art as well as spiritual technology in that Grimes can create as other people in order to reduce the psychic pain of being in the public eye. NPC will hone the concepts of Art Angels and Miss Anthropocene, finally manifesting the endless characters in Grimes’ head. NPC can do all the things humans cannot. NPC will eventually be playable, customizable, and able to cater to each individual listener’s unique desires. Decentralized Popstardom. Made, not Born
― ufo, Friday, 12 November 2021 06:49 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVmkBjSYeA
new single co-produced by illangelo, it's ok. production is a big step in the right direction but the melody is pretty underwritten, the opposite problem of the last album
album seems to be titled book 1
seems like she's said a lot of goofy stuff on tiktok too of course
― ufo, Friday, 3 December 2021 08:48 (two years ago) link
"player of games" totally excellent
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 21 January 2022 18:36 (two years ago) link
I guess we've all decided to ignore this new Vanity Fair cover article. Probably wise.
― o. nate, Friday, 11 March 2022 16:06 (two years ago) link
Exa Dark Sideræl Musk Is a great name, although maybe for a teenager rather than an infant
― I am using your worlds, Friday, 11 March 2022 16:32 (two years ago) link
lmao ok then: https://pagesix.com/2022/03/11/grimes-dating-leaker-chelsea-manning-after-elon-musk-breakup/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=twitter_app
― Murgatroid, Friday, 11 March 2022 18:02 (two years ago) link
this new soap opera is wild
― mh, Friday, 11 March 2022 18:55 (two years ago) link
Actually would watch that sitcom: Chelsea Manning and Grimes as the couple, Elon Musk as the ex who comes over to play with the kids.
― o. nate, Friday, 11 March 2022 19:33 (two years ago) link
I was gonna say we should all take a 2 year moratorium from ever hearing about this woman but Chelsea Manning wow
― frogbs, Friday, 11 March 2022 19:45 (two years ago) link
with billionaire celebrity guest every episode xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 11 March 2022 19:46 (two years ago) link
*holding my newborn child in my arms* "you are the Kwisatz Haderach!"
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 11 March 2022 19:48 (two years ago) link
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 21 January 2022 18:36 (one month ago) link
"Player of Games" being yr favorite Culture novel is a red-flag imho
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 11 March 2022 19:53 (two years ago) link
Mostly cuz I know it's Musk's
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 11 March 2022 19:54 (two years ago) link
chaotic hoe energy
https://pagesix.com/2022/03/11/grimes-dating-leaker-chelsea-manning-after-elon-musk-breakup/
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Saturday, 12 March 2022 19:36 (two years ago) link
"leaker" - can't we keep her medical problems out of this?
― StanM, Saturday, 12 March 2022 20:45 (two years ago) link
i probably would have been a huge grimes fan if she had just skipped musk and gone straight for manning. as it is idk, kind of seems like there was this trump era thing where hard-right conservatism was suddenly cool among celebs. hard to look past the people who associated themselves with it.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Monday, 14 March 2022 16:40 (two years ago) link
horribly phrased but ykwim
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Monday, 14 March 2022 16:41 (two years ago) link
is grimes "dirtbag left" now
― aegis philbin (crüt), Monday, 14 March 2022 17:01 (two years ago) link
also i hope jaime brooks is doing well
― aegis philbin (crüt), Monday, 14 March 2022 19:38 (two years ago) link
I will always love grimes. Remember that song “vanessa”?
― treeship., Monday, 14 March 2022 23:01 (two years ago) link
I still like Grimes’s music when I hear her music by accident but I no longer have any desire to put that music on, she’s just vile.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
could be worse, she could decide to attend h1llsong church after this
― mh, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 00:55 (two years ago) link
dude spoilers
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 03:02 (two years ago) link
could be worse, they're a solid restaurant group.
― pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 03:09 (two years ago) link
don't think grimes' politics are or have ever been 'hard-right conservatism', they've always just been incoherent techno-libertarianism. dating & defending musk wasn't really some big shift for her, just exposed exactly how incoherent her views were and made the progressive sheen fall off.
she really needs to stop talking to the media though
― ufo, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 03:21 (two years ago) link
― aegis philbin (crüt), Monday, March 14, 2022 1:01 PM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
she describes herself as a capitalist democrat in the vanity fair interview so no
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 03:29 (two years ago) link
there’s a thing that can happen to your brain if you spend too many formative years in “free-thinking” communities in relatively socially liberal places that have academic/arts scenes imo
it used to be more of a hippie libertarian brain thing but it’s definitely evolved to techno-libertarianish crap
― mh, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 14:30 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgkxfaOZnvF
https://hackingbutlegal.com/grimes-admits-to-blackmail-extortion-and-hacking-in-vanity-fair-video-interview-a1e3a3d41a4e
uh she really should not have admitted to this lmao
― ufo, Thursday, 24 March 2022 00:03 (two years ago) link
video link
oh the embedder doesn't like youtube's new clips feature yet
admitting to being behind ddosing & blackmailing hipster runoff in 2012 seems very unwise even for her
― ufo, Thursday, 24 March 2022 00:10 (two years ago) link
Well, we can definitely tack that on the end of that "Grimes oversharing" youtube comp.
― peace, man, Thursday, 24 March 2022 00:16 (two years ago) link
teehee
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 24 March 2022 00:16 (two years ago) link
Wow that is crazy
― treeship., Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:34 (two years ago) link
idk how HR was “cancelling” grimes in as much as the site had an ironic gossipy tone? this seems insanely ahistorical to apply that terminology
― mh, Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:34 (two years ago) link
Hipster Runoff was making fun of grimes
― treeship., Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:35 (two years ago) link
is making fun of someone cancelling them
― mh, Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:36 (two years ago) link
In a way that could be gross and sexist in the infuriating ironic way people hated about “hipsters” (is he skewering sexist tropes or just bluntly using them?)
The site had flashes of genius though. “Carles” was a pretty amazing literary creation
― treeship., Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:40 (two years ago) link
No i am agreeing with you
I might be old and saying “oh yeah I got cancelled for this” is just kind of jokey at this point too and I’m reading too much into 2022 Grimes interview statements!
ah, gotcha
Hipster Runoff was like a combination mirror of its audience (this is what you people like)/Mad magazine when I’d look at it, but yeah, the trope usage was a bizarre post-Vice “are we being ironic, or being ironic about irony, I can’t tell anymore” fiesta
― mh, Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:42 (two years ago) link
it doesn't even really make sense in a jokey sense, like if it was about her getting a little backlash to something she'd said or done then sure, but what she's talking about is just hipster runoff being """ironically""" pretty creepy/weird towards her while making fun of her (like carles was towards most female indie musicians)
― ufo, Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:59 (two years ago) link
true crime podcast but it's figuring out who her video game dev friend is
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:59 (two years ago) link
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2022 03:46 (two years ago) link
After the HR section she goes on to say she also almost got cancelled for the “Vanessa” video because she dances on it and noone on indie danced on their videos.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 24 March 2022 04:49 (two years ago) link
imagine the magazines sonic youth could've crushed with their voltron power.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 24 March 2022 07:07 (two years ago) link
Maybe she just doesn’t know what cancelled means.
― treeship., Thursday, 24 March 2022 11:38 (two years ago) link
Or dignity
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 24 March 2022 11:56 (two years ago) link
cancelled is when people say things about you that you don’t like
― mh, Thursday, 24 March 2022 13:01 (two years ago) link
o_O
― And liberty she pirouette (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 March 2022 13:04 (two years ago) link
I don't really post here anymore but the level of historical revisionism going on (everywhere, not just here) is fucking wild. this isn't a 7.6 pitchfork review or hard-hitting investigative journalism or the silenced brave truth of the intellectual dark web, this is "did her bangin bod have your predicted areola type? would you jack off to her video?", "what if I murdered Stevie Nicks and turned her into a skin suit so she'd need a restraining order," "what do you think about lolita icon tavi?", "would u grope this musician while crowdsurfing, should all female musicians be required to crowdsurf?", "let's take a break for some weird racist speculation about rappers dating people" level shit.
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:10 (two years ago) link
(all of the above are real posts and a drop in the bucket, but don't just take my word for it: https://tridecoic2.rssing.com/chan-1476456/all_p30.html)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:13 (two years ago) link
He posted a ton of sexist garbage
― treeship., Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:29 (two years ago) link
It was kind of a meta joke — like “look at this, this is what the algorithm rewards”. But in effect it dehumanized women musicians so this context isn’t exculpatory at all and I understand why they hated him
― treeship., Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:31 (two years ago) link
I never read HRO because I wasn't interested in it so I have absolutely no stakes in defending its tone or its coverage of Grimes, which I am 100% certain was shitty
That doesn't make it any wiser to confess to committing cybercrimes in your Vanity Fair interviews, though
― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:34 (two years ago) link
maybe the statue of limitations has run out
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:37 (two years ago) link
All of the coverage about this has been very explicit in saying there's no statute of limitations on cybercrime offenses in Canada
― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:38 (two years ago) link
oh ok, I'm sure Elon will break her out of jail then
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:40 (two years ago) link
not saying ddosing is good or grimes hangs out with good people but I do find it pretty hard to feel bad about the hro dude losing a couple years' worth of ways to call someone disgusting and fat (seriously wtf is his fixation on weight, the worst stuff on there wasn't even about the artists but his weirdass "i am just a disgusting ugly fat girl who no one loves and my boyfriend and family keep abusing me but i think i deserve it" persona)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:56 (two years ago) link
It seems unlikely that this case will be prosecuted.
― treeship., Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:56 (two years ago) link
― treeship., Thursday, 24 March 2022 19:57 (two years ago) link
Yeah i remember his alter ego “the mainstrramer.” That was the darkest period of the blog.
you think thats bad you should def not read the noize board from around the same time 😶
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 24 March 2022 20:20 (two years ago) link
katherine! good to see you
― aegis philbin (crüt), Thursday, 24 March 2022 20:28 (two years ago) link
Wasn’t HRO posting sexist garbage as a parody on the real gossip blogs and zines posting sexist garbage seriously?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:06 (two years ago) link
Yes, but since it was about specific members of a much smaller scene, it was effectively the same.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:13 (two years ago) link
when satire is indistinguishable from the real thing it's not really that funny
― boxedjoy, Friday, 25 March 2022 00:06 (two years ago) link
Wait are we saying Grimes is cool for doing this because fuck Carles? She’s not the hero in this story. Fuck both for all I care.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 26 March 2022 01:13 (two years ago) link
don't think anyone is defending her here just agreeing that carles was terrible
― ufo, Saturday, 26 March 2022 01:19 (two years ago) link
I don’t think anyone is defending carles either
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 26 March 2022 01:33 (two years ago) link
Anyways, in other news Grimes did a small appearance and preview of her upcoming shit song Utopia at a crypto event:
"The mostly male crowd drew from a wide variety of roles, including blockchain coders, venture capitalists, crypto traders, hedge fund executives, lawyers, marketers, designers, musicians, gamers and even some government officials."
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/03/24/avalanche-crypto-event-woos-35k-to-barcelona-with-late-parties-late-starts-long-lines/
Sounds about right.
The fucking irony and audacity of announcing this at a tent dubbed “eco-chamber” at a crypto event smh
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 26 March 2022 01:38 (two years ago) link
Sorry “eco-dome”
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 26 March 2022 01:40 (two years ago) link
Did Grimes just say she’s socially socialist, economically fascist lmao pic.twitter.com/dZMU11dnhL— We’re In Hell (@WereInHellYT) April 15, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 16 April 2022 02:51 (one year ago) link
that quote is from like 3 or 4 years ago & is moreso crazy incoherent views from having spent too much time on lesswrong (see: the belief in inevitability of ai dictatorship) than fascist
― ufo, Saturday, 16 April 2022 03:52 (one year ago) link
def some resonance between lesswrong and fashy stuff tho
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Saturday, 16 April 2022 05:22 (one year ago) link
I know I’m a broken record here but expecting Grimes opinions on anything other than her own music or anime or w/e to be coherent has been an exercise in futility
When that entire “I think AI could make music” thing happened a half dozen musicians who work in that space tried to explain what she was saying didn’t quite make sense, offered to talk about it, etc. and then she drifted on to the next thing instead
― mh, Saturday, 16 April 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link
Argh at this interview
https://www.papermag.com/mia-grimes-mata-2658467299.html
I hate that I thought these two were cool persons a decade ago.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 19 October 2022 23:25 (one year ago) link
Also lol at this picture
https://imgur.com/a/t9iGadl
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 19 October 2022 23:27 (one year ago) link
M.I.A.: I'm at a dentist in Mexico.Grimes: Why?M.I.A.: I'm trying out this new thing that people do in America.Grimes: Is it the vampire teeth?M.I.A.: No, is that a thing here?Grimes: Yeah, my friends who live in Brazil got vampire teeth.M.I.A.: I really fancied coming here and then thought, “While I'm here I'm going to be a good old American and get all my medical stuff sorted out.” I felt a bit bored and fancied the challenge. So now I can talk about these issues: I went to the dentist and it cost me like $50, and then if I go to one in Beverly Hills, it's a lot more expensive.Grimes: Yeah, it's crazy.M.I.A.: It was interesting to see the quality, and it helps me keep on top of what is going on economically and with the standard of living, so I can speak from experience.
Grimes: Why?
M.I.A.: I'm trying out this new thing that people do in America.
Grimes: Is it the vampire teeth?
M.I.A.: No, is that a thing here?
Grimes: Yeah, my friends who live in Brazil got vampire teeth.
M.I.A.: I really fancied coming here and then thought, “While I'm here I'm going to be a good old American and get all my medical stuff sorted out.” I felt a bit bored and fancied the challenge. So now I can talk about these issues: I went to the dentist and it cost me like $50, and then if I go to one in Beverly Hills, it's a lot more expensive.
Grimes: Yeah, it's crazy.
M.I.A.: It was interesting to see the quality, and it helps me keep on top of what is going on economically and with the standard of living, so I can speak from experience.
Amazing
― treeship., Thursday, 20 October 2022 00:12 (one year ago) link
BARF
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 20 October 2022 00:17 (one year ago) link
i'm glad MIA talked about some of the concerns with crypto, particularly how if too many people get wallets there could be storage difficulties
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 October 2022 00:18 (one year ago) link
I like when she mixed up the global reserve currency with the gold standard
― treeship., Thursday, 20 October 2022 00:19 (one year ago) link
I'm doing an experiment right now where I'm being a pagan polytheist because I have this theory that before the rise of monotheism, society was a lot better.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 20 October 2022 00:21 (one year ago) link
Feel bad clowning them because both have crested music I have truly loved, music that has benefited my life. But this interview is like sheesh
― treeship., Thursday, 20 October 2022 00:23 (one year ago) link
MIA just wrote a lyric for Common People
― omar little, Thursday, 20 October 2022 00:23 (one year ago) link
Grimes was literally just doing tons of research.
― BrianB, Thursday, 20 October 2022 02:54 (one year ago) link
I have to say that my brain is still in recovery mode from taking in so many high level, important ideas
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 October 2022 15:05 (one year ago) link
Back-alley plaque scrapings to better understand the basic folk
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 20 October 2022 15:09 (one year ago) link
both of these people had the kind of success that brings out airhead corporate adorers
m.i.a. married a bronfman, grimes had kids with musk
people get their brains mushified by the echo-chamber
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 20 October 2022 15:15 (one year ago) link
this might be way too complex for ilxor’s ilm forum, because they’re trying to solve the world.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 20 October 2022 17:08 (one year ago) link
I'll be honest, if they dropped a joint album, I'd give it a listen
― o. nate, Thursday, 20 October 2022 19:15 (one year ago) link
an accurate assessment
"dirty work" is the radiohead creep of the steely dan catalogue— boos (@bosscrood) October 19, 2022
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 20 October 2022 19:46 (one year ago) link
oops, good luck figuring out what this has to do with the thread topic
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 20 October 2022 20:05 (one year ago) link
m.i.a. did not, in fact, marry that bronfman! they were engaged, though
― mh, Friday, 21 October 2022 14:56 (one year ago) link
oh! my mistake! a kid together
― sean gramophone, Friday, 21 October 2022 14:59 (one year ago) link
mia looking incredible at 47
― flopson, Saturday, 22 October 2022 21:22 (one year ago) link
Well duh, she’s not been vaxxed
― Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 22 October 2022 23:57 (one year ago) link
what a cool person
pic.twitter.com/Fmnn80xS5f— music struggles (@musicstruggles1) January 30, 2023
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 16:48 (one year ago) link
you've lost your goddamn mind if you find yourself typing "lebensraum" into the twitter text field sheesh
― rob, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link
I read Caroline Polachek has a guest spot for Dido on her new album and got all excited and it turns out fucking grimes is not only on the album but on the same track.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:20 (one year ago) link
It's always disappointing when a favorite artist that represented where the music should/will go begins to slip, but I feel like more and more of them lately are just falling off a cliff in all the worst ways.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link
https://reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/12lzl9v/warning_graphic_grimes_likes_total_nier_death/
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 14 April 2023 17:16 (eleven months ago) link
Uhhhhh not clicking further, but from the url I thought it would be something about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nier:_Automata :(
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 14 April 2023 17:21 (eleven months ago) link
That Avengers scene where Hawkeye and Black Widow are fighting to throw themselves off a cliff, except it's Elon Musk and Grimes and the cliff is Nazism— Michael Stewart (@m_r_stewart) April 14, 2023
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 April 2023 17:23 (eleven months ago) link
Why is she a white supremacist now? The fuck?
― treeship., Saturday, 15 April 2023 20:47 (eleven months ago) link
Trite response but seriously. It is very odd that both kanye and grimes became hitler apologists
― treeship., Saturday, 15 April 2023 20:50 (eleven months ago) link
I still love this song, without reservation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yji6m9R75jQ
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 29 April 2023 10:29 (ten months ago) link
I try to just forget that she continued on after ‘15 or so
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 29 April 2023 10:30 (ten months ago) link
(And, no, I hadn’t seen what this thread revive was about)
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 29 April 2023 10:31 (ten months ago) link
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 29 April 2023 12:48 (ten months ago) link
She is a very gifted musician but clearly a person of poor character.
― treeship., Saturday, 29 April 2023 14:15 (ten months ago) link
realiti (demo) so much better than anything else post visions
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 29 April 2023 14:42 (ten months ago) link
Still don’t see what’s so great about that song
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Saturday, 29 April 2023 17:35 (ten months ago) link
“Oblivion” was my jam… I’ve never really gotten the “Realiti” love either.
― Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Saturday, 29 April 2023 17:42 (ten months ago) link
(to each their own, of course)
Flesh without blood, from art angels, is her best song imo. I love the ethereal gothic early sound but I also like the hyperpop that succeeded it. I dislike how her personality and beliefs seem to have changed since art angels though.
― treeship., Saturday, 29 April 2023 22:29 (ten months ago) link
even as a huge fan of miss anthropocene imo she was always like this sorry
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 29 April 2023 22:30 (ten months ago) link
I guess I didn’t follow her enough to know she’d be the type to retweet neo-nazis
― treeship., Saturday, 29 April 2023 22:32 (ten months ago) link
Never thought her music suffered any drop in quality even as she herself perhaps did. Miss anthropocene wasn't quite as good as art angels or visions but not too far off, it bears repeat listening for me.
― omar little, Saturday, 29 April 2023 22:47 (ten months ago) link
The Reddit post seems to have been removed. I glanced at her account, it looks like mainly AI shit. Not that I would necessarily recognize crypto-N4zi stuff if I saw it but… are we sure this is legit accusation?
― Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Saturday, 29 April 2023 22:47 (ten months ago) link
(I believe it if you say yes, I didn’t delve into who she’s following or anything)
― Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Saturday, 29 April 2023 22:48 (ten months ago) link
I don't like the idea that she irl hangs mostly with the worst kind of online shitposters but maybe it's true idk. Her trajectory hasn't been inspiring from a distance.
― omar little, Saturday, 29 April 2023 22:50 (ten months ago) link
she’s just like a complete woo-woo ass person who would align herself with whatever since whenever, idk what else to tell you
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 29 April 2023 22:51 (ten months ago) link
Art-pop Joe Rogan
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 30 April 2023 00:47 (ten months ago) link
Brad nailed it.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 30 April 2023 01:25 (ten months ago) link
Earlier on it was easier to ignore the extra-curricular stuff though, for reasons too voluminous to recount
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 30 April 2023 01:26 (ten months ago) link
difference is she used to be embarrassing in a somewhat endearing way (the houseboat story, constantly saying ridiculous stuff in interviews etc.) and at least positioned herself as fairly progressive (despite the techno-libertarian thread that was always there - she was always the sort of idiot who'd be super into cryptocurrency). her trajectory isn't that surprising given the techno-libertarian stuff but it's still quite a shift to be hanging out with crypto-fascist rationalists, thiel-funded neo-nazis etc. now.
she seems to have largely lost interest in music though (lol at her releasing only two songs on columbia), i doubt she'll get around to actually finishing another album anytime soon
― ufo, Sunday, 30 April 2023 02:17 (ten months ago) link
In December 2022, Grimes attended a holiday fundraising party for the San Francisco political think tank and magazine Palladium, which was founded by the Neo Nazi activist Jonah Bennett. Palladium receives much of its capital investment from Peter Thiel, whose Hereticon “free speech” conservative conference (a haven for hate speech) Grimes had also previously done a private DJ set for, in January 2022. Grimes publicly tweeted about her participation in both Hereticon and the Palladium party, so it has been confirmed from the horse’s mouth. Also, there were many pictures of her at the Palladium party shared by the editors of Palladium and then retweeted by Grimes. These pictures show Grimes together with her own friends who also attended, and some show the magazine’s current editors (not Bennett, but close associates of him, most notably Wolf Tivy) who she frequently interacted with on twitter in the weeks after the party (they were also mutuals). Jonah Bennett himself also appears to have attended the party, despite not being pictured together with Grimes, as he retweeted one of the other Palladium editors’ tweet celebrating the importance of Grimes attending the party and showing how far Palladium has come to gain such a prominent artist’s support.One of Grimes’s tweets was also celebrating these guys as being part of what she tone deafly called a “schizzo (sic) posting” club, suggesting she was also a “schizzo poster” herself on her alt twitter accounts. On her main account, despite all the cringe, she rarely tweets anything directly inflammatory or redpilled, except that time she tweeted a “joke” about lebensraum on Holocaust Remembrance Day, but sometimes (accidentally?) she has used her public account to like others’ tweets of a hateful nature. One of the accounts whose tweets she liked most frequently is called The Hellenist, which she also follows. Hellenist is a straight up racist and fascist account, which tweets about the penis size of different races and how Ancient Rome met its downfall because it made the mistake of “following the Jews” in Hellenist’s eyes (ancient Greece, apparently, did not—whatever that even means). The identity of the account is unknown (if I had to take a guess, one of her irl close acquaintances, or possibly even Elon Musk or Jonah Bennett) but some of her out in the open friends, including the squad of besties she’s had over the past couple of years—Aella, Lan Dao and Liv Boeree—also tweet redpilled content and content promoting big business and conservative forms of religion, opposing Black rights and struggles, opposing LGBTQ rights and even opposing feminism and endorsing patriarchy, a total inversion of what used to be Grimes’ signature public issue.Grimes has also been exploring eugenics. The celebrity eugenics couple from Connecticut, the Collinses, had an extensive interview with Business Insider last year. The piece painted an incredibly disturbing picture of what the Collinses are all about, but it stuck to facts and didn’t editorialize, earning the praise of the Collinses themselves, who called the article very accurate. This is relevant to Grimes because she receives a mention in the article—the Collinses tell the journalist that Grimes reached out to their group seeking to get involved in the cause of eugenics. Grimes nor the Collinses did not ever deny that this occurred. It also fits with some of her own public statements supporting “the Mission.” The Mission is a cult created by Elon Musk with a mission of breeding a superior race of humans on Mars. Grimes, although no longer involved romantically with Musk, recently said promoting the Mission is now her main purpose in life, describing music as a mere “side quest.”
This is a comment on the popheads subreddit. No receipts but some of these claims are easily googleable and true
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 30 April 2023 07:00 (ten months ago) link
https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/12yyuey/grimes_splits_with_columbia_records/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 30 April 2023 07:01 (ten months ago) link
The nepo babies she’s friends with nowadays and who she interacts with both live and in twitter do seem to post some very questionable content in twitter.
If it walks like a duck…
She has proved time and time again that she’s super shallow and volatile when it comes to her views and unfortunately she loves expressing it. Good musician/producer but the more spotlight she gets the less likeable she becomes and that’s been true for over a decade. Hanging out with the shittiest, uncoolest elite doesn’t help her case.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 30 April 2023 07:11 (ten months ago) link
Not mentioned on that post is that she continues to follow, hang out with and enable sexual abuser Nusi Quero, she never issued a response or apology about that whole ordeal… just a super insincere post about having to “reflex on the scandal” and promising an update which never came.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 30 April 2023 07:16 (ten months ago) link
I feel ashamed of being a fan of her music nowadays. Her output pre-2015 was brilliant and it was easy to look beyond her often obnoxious, “quirky” personality because in the end it was a bit cringeworthy but mostly harmless.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 30 April 2023 07:23 (ten months ago) link
No wonder Elon is so desperate to get her back
― Marvel Puzzle Quest is my favorite gasm (DJP), Sunday, 30 April 2023 12:55 (ten months ago) link
Her trajectory from largely non-political techno utopianism to harshly right wing, explicity anti-egalitarian techno authoritarianism — with “singularity” overtones — might be worth understanding. To me the way she was “woo woo” pre-2015 did not lead me to believe she would embrace anti-egalitarian, eugenicist, whatever ideas. But this is not a unique slope.
― treeship., Sunday, 30 April 2023 13:38 (ten months ago) link
And it seems sort of different than the pipeline that is like hippy/“back to nature” to anti-vax reactionary thought. I’m familiar with that pipeline, this one feels more ominous, more authoritarian.
― treeship., Sunday, 30 April 2023 13:40 (ten months ago) link
Also like musk is part of it. He wants to breed a race of supermen on mars.
― treeship., Sunday, 30 April 2023 13:45 (ten months ago) link
The Mission is a cult created by Elon Musk with a mission of breeding a superior race of humans on Mars. Grimes, although no longer involved romantically with Musk, recently said promoting the Mission is now her main purpose in life, describing music as a mere “side quest.”
is there more info on this? googling is a bit difficult because "mission" and "mars" leads to stuff about spacex and "superior race" is not a a google i want to pursue
― z_tbd, Sunday, 30 April 2023 14:00 (ten months ago) link
https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/the-far-right-eugenics-mindset-behind
This goes into it
― treeship., Sunday, 30 April 2023 14:21 (ten months ago) link
They seem to speak euphemistically about their aims
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/07/musks-twitter-buy-makes-no-sense-unless-its-part-of-something-bigger/
This is intriguing. I don’t know how seriously to take an outlet called “byline times” but I have long suspected that musk had some ulterior motive in acquiring twitter.
― treeship., Sunday, 30 April 2023 14:22 (ten months ago) link
oof. thanks treeship
― z_tbd, Sunday, 30 April 2023 14:23 (ten months ago) link
Paywalled - there’s ways around that - but here’s the Collins:
https://www.businessinsider.com/pronatalism-elon-musk-simone-malcolm-collins-underpopulation-breeding-tech-2022-11
Screen of the relevant Grimes part
https://preview.redd.it/wjbxqpoc6l0a1.png
Can’t quite find an explicit article about “the mission”, but yeah, Musk has tweeted “great replacement” theory tropes and was recently on Tucker Carlson talking about“Birth rates” and “sustainable population” which looks a lot like a racist dog whistle to me.https://medium.com/the-noösphere/why-wealthy-tech-elites-believe-its-their-mission-to-repopulate-earth-eb15b17ab2b6
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 30 April 2023 14:46 (ten months ago) link
I can't pretend I foresaw Grimes' personal political trajectory, but "largely non-political techno utopianism" was never largely non-political (how could it be?), and esp wrt the US computing/internet/etc industry the line between "techno-utopianism" and "techno-authoritarianism" was always very blurry.
Speaking of 2015: https://harpers.org/archive/2015/01/come-with-us-if-you-want-to-live/
It's been a long time since I read it, but this is probably worth revisiting too: https://www.metamute.org/editorial/articles/californian-ideology
And wrt to eugenics specifically, Malcolm Harris' new book looks p interesting: https://www.vox.com/podcasts/23604908/malcolm-harris-palo-alto-capitalism-interview
― rob, Sunday, 30 April 2023 14:48 (ten months ago) link
Azealia Banks was right about her.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 30 April 2023 15:06 (ten months ago) link
Azealia Banks is good at pointing out racism, not so good at music
― Marvel Puzzle Quest is my favorite gasm (DJP), Sunday, 30 April 2023 15:31 (ten months ago) link
If she has truly gone fascist, whenever she releases new music--which could be soon? There was a cryptic FB post within the last hour--music journos should go at her hard and precisely about all this. Back it up with some facts and corner her on it. Don't just casually dismiss her due to Elon musk associations, don't express mild unease about the imagery and the AI obsession. that's too vague and too plausibly deniable. Gotta make it stick with the cold hard truth of the matter. As someone who has never not liked her music...well I'd have no trouble moving on from her in this case. Fever Ray is out there, better politics and great music and a better more inspiring romantic life.
― omar little, Sunday, 30 April 2023 15:44 (ten months ago) link
not sure we can just dismiss this by saying she is “woo woo” … there’s obviously an elitist + fash adjacent strain in art and it’s been there for a minute, i mean look at warhols cultivated, effete nihilism
from pc music soundtracking alt right media, to oneohtrix teasing right-accelerationism, there’s a current in the arts that despises the boring and often cringe slog of care and community in favor of high end hedonism and hyper individualism. and this is of course not just the arts but the whole constellation of “dissident leftists” like Glenn greenwald making straightforwardly right wing arguments from supposedly leftist premises
insofar as “woo” is coded as anti-establishment it makes sense; there’s more than a bit of self satisfied decadence in liberalism which provides an opening for those types to go from “big pharma is evil” to “we should delete civilization and have an elect restart on Mars”
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Sunday, 30 April 2023 15:47 (ten months ago) link
i am not trying to dismiss this and kind of hate that i posted anything at all. i just… you know, a lot of the coked-out scenesters in 2010s nyc turned out to be nazis and i don’t spend much time thinking about their moral arcs bc i don’t think they believed in much to begin with. same with grimey
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 April 2023 15:50 (ten months ago) link
xp I honestly don’t think Glenn Greenwald is part of this. This seems like a very specific radical political project rooted in elite disdain for the masses.
― treeship., Sunday, 30 April 2023 15:55 (ten months ago) link
It’s not just “right wing” or whatever.
― treeship., Sunday, 30 April 2023 15:56 (ten months ago) link
whenever she releases new music--which could be soon? There was a cryptic FB post within the last hour
― peace, man, Sunday, 30 April 2023 17:39 (ten months ago) link
i mean i'll cop to thinking about this too much and making possibly overly broad connections, and in no way am i trying to moralize about anyone here 'not taking things seriously enough' or w/e, if i came off like that, sorry
but the reality is tons of people who used to seem squarely progressive or left-leaning or at least just anodyne apolitical are now varying degrees of reactionary, from edgy contrarianism to all-out fash. i think that is notable, and also obviously overdetermined, in the sense one's reactionary turn must be a blend of individual susceptibility and historical phenomena.
but i think that woo-fash resonance is interesting, because it points to which historical phenomena might be playing into this trend. like, the anti-vax perspective is a blend of not unsympathetic latent distrust of big pharma, + propagandistic manipulation, and it's the former--the decadence of corporate society--that is interesting because that is formerly the left's turf in terms of critique, but is being picked up by the right. i'd say this is in part due to the little Thielian culture industry, but also because liberals really did sell us out post 2008!
as for how grimes fits into this, idk there's a sort of weird dialectic where the idea of becoming post-human and merging with the machines or w/e just becomes another way of underlining your own human specialness, and her project, even more so than most pop stars, is very invested in the idea of this sort of untouchable individuality
anyways i'll shut up now
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Sunday, 30 April 2023 18:26 (ten months ago) link
I just want to say that none of this is particularly unique or noteworthy or even special. Grimes isn’t the first “oh this person is a reactionary racist fuckwit, not the sympathetic nice person I assumed them to be” in music and, sadly, she won’t be the last.
― Marvel Puzzle Quest is my favorite gasm (DJP), Sunday, 30 April 2023 20:49 (ten months ago) link
So, “elf tech”
On a bad note: the snippet for her new song has the most cringe lyrics ever and is specially annoying in context described in the previous posts.
On a good note: the “grimes ai” is very impressive, these cover of Paris Texas by Lana sounds great considering it’s not actually her:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7re3PEtFGIE
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 1 May 2023 06:48 (ten months ago) link
irregardless of everything else, this is kinda cool imho
I'll split 50% royalties on any successful AI generated song that uses my voice. Same deal as I would with any artist i collab with. Feel free to use my voice without penalty. I have no label and no legal bindings. pic.twitter.com/KIY60B5uqt— 𝔊𝔯𝔦𝔪𝔢𝔰 (@Grimezsz) April 24, 2023
― StanM, Monday, 1 May 2023 08:59 (ten months ago) link
(more details & replies to questions about this on her Twitter)
― StanM, Monday, 1 May 2023 09:00 (ten months ago) link
How much money is there to be made in a cover of the Horst Wessel song?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 1 May 2023 09:50 (ten months ago) link
just off to make a grimes version of "tomorrow belongs to me" then
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 May 2023 10:57 (ten months ago) link
irregardless of everything else, this is kinda cool imho"everything else"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 May 2023 11:42 (ten months ago) link
"irregardless"
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 May 2023 11:46 (ten months ago) link
sorry about that - I must have seen the word being used more than once, I didn't know it was wrong (or that there's discussion about it, at least) - I'm not an English speaker at home :(
― StanM, Monday, 1 May 2023 11:52 (ten months ago) link
all good!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 May 2023 11:57 (ten months ago) link
jesus alfred
― treeship., Monday, 1 May 2023 12:18 (ten months ago) link
Lol “irregardless” was not the biggest problem with that post
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Monday, 1 May 2023 12:51 (ten months ago) link
AI voice thing is pretty clever since now anything she records that turns out too fashy she can say it's a deepfake
― rob, Monday, 1 May 2023 13:41 (ten months ago) link
I don't think the public persona of Grimes is worth anything more than lazy dunks at this point. I've long held that it's kind of mortifying to be around adults who think quoting goofy lines and catchphrases that were burned into their minds from comedy bits and movies decades ago is a good idea. But what we're seeing here is a 35 year old tumblr teen and it's terrible
― mh, Monday, 1 May 2023 14:24 (ten months ago) link
uptown churl with some good posts. there are definitely some historical currents directing this kind of trajectory right now. capitalist nihilism and fascism are kind of made for each other. also as we start to stretch global limits and elites want to hold on to / entrench capitalism, fascism makes an intuitive kind of sense. not directly related to grimes but the class of other i'm noticing it's ok for everyone to be hateful towards with like a genocidal flavor lately is the unhoused. maybe that's just my locality.
that ai splitting royalties thing is grimes version of elon throwing out an "egalitarian" move every once in a while, it's a total fake-out.
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 1 May 2023 14:56 (ten months ago) link
Her being 35 has fazed me a bit cause obv any adult should have outgrown this kind of thing but also it’s too young because this flavour of musk-adjacent cringe is so quintessentially gen x to me
― michel goindry (wins), Monday, 1 May 2023 14:59 (ten months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9VBMBS3qE
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:03 (ten months ago) link
idk there's nothing wrong with having youthful interests and being kind of nerdy about a few things but the AI/SV/dork enlightenment/Thiel think tank axis is just a bunch of adults who congealed into this nonsensical "we need kings to rule us, but maybe the king is AI, so we need to throw a bunch of money at that and listen to the people who are funding it (aka Thiel and company)"
― mh, Monday, 1 May 2023 15:03 (ten months ago) link
how to make a grimes thread immediately better: post a neneh cherry video xp
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:04 (ten months ago) link
Haha speaking of quintessentialy gen x just read this post on reddit.
While every generation gets out of touch with age, and millennials are no exception (likewise, gen z will also one day find its ideas being seen as passé) Grimes is an example of a very sad and different phenomenon—a person who ignores their own generation (let alone keeping up with the younger ones’ ideas) and instead attempts to gain favor with the older ones, in this case, with gen x and boomers. These tired 1960s-1980s science fiction cliches she continues to reference, are the media of Elon Musk’s youth, not of her own.Dune has been a longtime fave of course, but it was only one of a constellation of influences she used to have. Now, she has latched onto everything that came out of Musk’s childhood—from racist techno-orientalism, to dumbass and disproven “posthuman” and “singularity” stuff. This is a girl who grew up in the era of Gattaca and X-Files (media with lessons of how eugenics sucks), UK jungle and experimental dance music (Black led music genres with true innovation), If you look at other geeky millennials in the electronic, vaporwave, or even accelerationist hyperpop sphere, ‘00s, ‘90s or mid to late ‘80s works are their touchstones. So why are her references all, like, Star Wars and some dated novelists from the ‘60s and ‘70s? Because this is Elon Musk core, it’s a new persona she developed for herself to try to flatter her corny conservative gen x partner.I can’t think of a single other millennial artist who is out of touch in this particular way. In fact Grimes’s blind techno utopian eugenic ideology was heavily criticized by fellow millennials such as Zola Jesus and Alice Glass, and even if you look at the more accelerationist-adjacent millennials like Caroline Polachek, Charli, Weeknd and Oneohtrix Point Never, none of them are talking the way Grimes talks.Tldr: it’s a gen x/boomer thing not a millennial one.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:07 (ten months ago) link
I'm just gonna say there was SF critical of eugenics before Gattaca
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:12 (ten months ago) link
That’s not what that post says.
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:14 (ten months ago) link
xxp yeah it’s a simple aesthetic observation, not saying the fascism would be better if she were referencing dumbledore or other shite millennials like
― michel goindry (wins), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:16 (ten months ago) link
Like she called her actual child X bazinga epsilon or whatever, that is not just embarrassing it’s a prev generation’s embarrassing
― michel goindry (wins), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:18 (ten months ago) link
baz coombes
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:19 (ten months ago) link
Grimes: I will share 50% of the royalties for any AI using my voice!
AI: No thanks.
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:21 (ten months ago) link
To me Gen X Science Fiction is 80s stuff like Kim Stanley Robinson and cyberpunk. Musk feels like a throwback to Heinlein.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:22 (ten months ago) link
Definitely.
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:24 (ten months ago) link
Musk totally sees himself as a Hari Seldon
― jmm, Monday, 1 May 2023 15:30 (ten months ago) link
xp charli xcx and the weeknd are "accelerationist adjacent"?
― treeship., Monday, 1 May 2023 15:33 (ten months ago) link
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR)
AI responding in the voice of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5neabZ5pVQ
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:35 (ten months ago) link
What I mean is that they’re adjacent (Weeknd aside, but he is connected with OPN) to the London leftist philosophical circles that originally developed the ideas of accelerationism, and they reference these ideas in their work. Most of them don’t have any clear ties to the creepy right wing form of accelerationism like Grimes. OPN did cite (right wing accelerationist) Nick Land as an influence on his work, but not necessarily in a positive way. Dasha Nekrasova (right wing posing as left podcaster) dated OPN and is friends with Charli, and Nekrasova’s pod Red Scare is funded by Peter Thiel, so there could be some fascist connections in there. None of those artists are openly right wing tho, they’re not going to like Nazi parties.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:36 (ten months ago) link
username / post
― jmm, Monday, 1 May 2023 15:37 (ten months ago) link
This is a girl who grew up in the era of Gattaca and X-Files (media with lessons of how eugenics sucks), UK jungle and experimental dance music (Black led music genres with true innovation), If you look at other geeky millennials in the electronic, vaporwave, or even accelerationist hyperpop sphere, ‘00s, ‘90s or mid to late ‘80s works are their touchstones.
i don't really understand - gattaca, x-files, jungle, all of that was made by gen x and listened to by gen x
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:40 (ten months ago) link
to dumbass and disproven “posthuman” and “singularity” stuff.
I'm not saying it's not dumb, but I think these ideas still come up all the time in tech-bro circles, so I'm not sure what "disproven" means in this context.
― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:40 (ten months ago) link
I think grimes' dorky boomer sci fi tastes predated Elon by awhile, she named an album giedi primes long before he was a thing, pre-visions.
― omar little, Monday, 1 May 2023 15:49 (ten months ago) link
everyone likes dune it's fine
― mh, Monday, 1 May 2023 15:50 (ten months ago) link
lol @ the assumption that millennials in North America would have grown up with UK jungle
― c u (crüt), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:50 (ten months ago) link
_This is a girl who grew up in the era of Gattaca and X-Files (media with lessons of how eugenics sucks), UK jungle and experimental dance music (Black led music genres with true innovation), If you look at other geeky millennials in the electronic, vaporwave, or even accelerationist hyperpop sphere, ‘00s, ‘90s or mid to late ‘80s works are their touchstones._i don't really understand - gattaca, x-files, jungle, all of that was made by gen x and listened to by gen x
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:51 (ten months ago) link
xp the internet existed for teenagers over there too I assume, especially if they were into music
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:52 (ten months ago) link
Millenials in the US did grow up witj d&b via video games. Might not have identified it as such thom
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 1 May 2023 15:53 (ten months ago) link
lol tho, not thom, not bringing radiohead into this
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 1 May 2023 15:54 (ten months ago) link
xps right but like there's no reason jungle specifically should be on her radar - speaking as someone who is Grimes' age and is also a perpetually online music fan
― c u (crüt), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:55 (ten months ago) link
i'm sure she knows what jungle is but it's not a pervasive cultural touchstone on the level of X-Files
― c u (crüt), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:57 (ten months ago) link
The point is not that it necessarily should ito probability but all else being equal given growing up online that her touchstones could very easily have been something else. But clearly she is working from a certain set of values and is drawn to particular cultural touchstones more than others for reasons that are now clearer
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:58 (ten months ago) link
fair enough
― c u (crüt), Monday, 1 May 2023 15:59 (ten months ago) link
Grimes on boomer SF classic Solaris:
“This book scared the shit out of me. I picked it up after watching the film adaptation by Tarkovsky, which is one of my favourite movies. Sometimes I feel like the only explanation for human life is that our planet is a terrible god. I like thinking that planets are living, sentient behemoths that we completely misunderstand. I’m horrified to think what it would be like if such an abstract sentience had no regard for us, or enjoying toying with us. The act of repeatedly killing a doppelganger or a loved one seems so horrific; how could anyone think of something so awful? Whenever people pour cream into coffee in a clear glass, it reminds me of this book, because that’s what I imagine the surface of Solaris to look like.”
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 1 May 2023 16:01 (ten months ago) link
so much of this sounds like rich or successful artists who haven't had much formal philosophical/theoretical education latching on to ideas that sound kind of cool and that flatter their sense of identity, but who don't really go much deeper than that to ever reflect on the political consequences of this stuff
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 1 May 2023 16:07 (ten months ago) link
Moodles otm
the artists (Holly Herndon and her partner Mat Dryhurst come to mind) who tried conversing with Grimes about the actual philosophical and technological basis kind of got brushed off by her because they know more of what they're talking about
― mh, Monday, 1 May 2023 16:10 (ten months ago) link
Yeah and at this stage Herndon is writing much better music as well
― octobeard, Monday, 1 May 2023 17:33 (ten months ago) link
herndon & dryhurst are bitcoin idiots too and it wouldn't really shock me if they went down the technofascist rationalist path yet either as a result, but they don't seem to have yet
― ufo, Monday, 1 May 2023 22:20 (ten months ago) link
barf
https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/03/07/how-can-information-be-free-but-expensive-holly-herndon-on-web-3-art-and-the-future-of-ip/
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 May 2023 22:44 (ten months ago) link
Oy had no idea. Cringe at Herndon and Dryhurst's thoughts on how web 3 will fix the "cultural desert" of the last 10-15 years at the end of the interview. Monoculture for sure - monetization as well (streaming vs vinyl/CDs etc), but web 3 isn't going to fix this. The interview is over a year old, however. I'm curious if they feel the same way now. Crypto has had some massively humbling moments, especially NFTs, over the last year, and more people are realizing what a scam it is.
― octobeard, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 00:15 (ten months ago) link
so so so tired of techno futurists, we are all crying babies until we die.
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 00:24 (ten months ago) link
they're still all in on cryptocurrency nonsense
― ufo, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 01:02 (ten months ago) link
honestly I kind of feel like there's three kinds of techno futurists: dummies, fascists, and fascist dummies
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 01:13 (ten months ago) link
I got the impression the web3 crap is an engagement with the current trend, and I think it's very cringe, but they're actually personally working to comprehend that crap and work in that space where Grimes was just like "yeah you can do NFT stuff for me and slap my branding on it"
I did not mention them as an endorsement of all these things, just that they have more than a surface level understanding. I know a handful of people who dabbled enough to do an "is this anything?" assessment and bounced out.
― mh, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 14:51 (ten months ago) link
I agree, they're far too self-aware to go down any fascist roads. At worst they're annoying techno-optimists who are ok with ignoring the downsides to pursue crypto/NFT/AI art projects (although at least they're making an effort with things like their tracking/opt-out Spawning project).
― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 15:06 (ten months ago) link
blockchain possibilities seem pretty shallow so far but herndon and dryhurst's explorations seem 90% very good faith, clear-eyed, hopeful thinkings about how this tech could actually be useful. (and 10% taking advantage of the silly NFT market to make some money, which i did too!) i disagree with those think there is nothing redeeming or potential in so-called "web3," it just isn't useful yet.
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 15:07 (ten months ago) link
I wouldn't say it's necessarily FOMO but more cost of not engaging with some things when they might go somewhere interesting, and you can get some press/audience by engaging with these dopey emerging technologies and get people interested in your core project
― mh, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 15:09 (ten months ago) link
I always come back to thinking to the David Letterman show bit "is this anything" where someone would do something weird for the audience and then Dave and Paul would say "hmm" and kind of riff back and forth about whether they thought it was something but usually wouldn't draw any solid conclusions
― mh, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 15:12 (ten months ago) link
So, she was invited yesterday to speak at an event in Stockholm dubbed “brilliant minds 2023”.
Her bio for the event:A provocateur and philosopher, Grimes has been both criticized and lauded for her theories on AI, futurism, and luxury communism, among other topics.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 16 June 2023 17:01 (nine months ago) link
Writing shallow tweets is enough to call yourself a philosopher and playing with midjourney prompts makes you an expert on AI apparently.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 16 June 2023 17:03 (nine months ago) link
"provocateur" is definitely the most high brow word for "asshole"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 16 June 2023 17:05 (nine months ago) link
Hey now stupid asshole
― Grandall Flange (wins), Friday, 16 June 2023 17:14 (nine months ago) link
that video clip of her speaking at some event where she replied to some comment about "smashing the patriarchy" with "I really like the patriarchy!" and one of the things she listed was "supply chains" was *chef's kiss*
― mh, Friday, 16 June 2023 17:45 (nine months ago) link
brilliant minds
― Grandall Flange (wins), Friday, 16 June 2023 17:55 (nine months ago) link
She saw Taylor Swift's keychain and took it literally.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 16 June 2023 17:58 (nine months ago) link
Russia and Ukraine should fight in Fortnite.
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 19 June 2023 03:24 (nine months ago) link
Is that a quote of her? It is isn’t it? ffs
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 19 June 2023 03:29 (nine months ago) link
Appalled I ever contributed to her wealth.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 19 June 2023 07:15 (nine months ago) link
sending her a few dollars today in the hopes she says some even funnier shit
― mh, Monday, 19 June 2023 14:32 (nine months ago) link
Save it. She gets plenty of money from Peter Thiel.
― Crabber B. Munson (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 19 June 2023 17:50 (nine months ago) link
ok, I give up,p. I’m posting it
she actually said this pic.twitter.com/JKaXhN7TxK— MOSCHINODORITO (@moschinodorito) June 13, 2023
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 00:31 (nine months ago) link
So… Cringe Claire apparently was at Curtis Yarvin’s birthday party a few nights ago evidenced by a leaked drawing wishing him HBD YARVIN on a whiteboard.
I don’t even
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 04:07 (nine months ago) link
This is a good read on the shockingly stupid and somewhat dangerous views she and the people around her are into
https://viewpointmag.com/2017/03/28/the-darkness-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-artificial-intelligence-and-neoreaction/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 04:13 (nine months ago) link
yawn - roko's basilisk again? (J/K, I love you, future AI)
― StanM, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 10:52 (nine months ago) link
Techno Marie Antoinette
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 13:51 (nine months ago) link
(Googles "roko's basilisk," googles "Newcomb’s paradox," gets a headache ... )
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 14:22 (nine months ago) link
she's one of those artists i can't imagine ever touring again, and i'm guessing her absolutely demented associations aren't getting more blowback and backlash because ppl don't care about her anymore, unless they're extremely online stans.
― omar little, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 17:49 (nine months ago) link
i think she's playing some festivals in south america later this year
as far as backlash being reduced, she's barely put out any music in the last few years so that's surely a factor. if the new album ever comes out then that'll be enough for her to get more attention and get more backlash
― ufo, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 18:22 (nine months ago) link
It’s a weird standard. Ariel Pink and John Maus got cancelled and get removed from festivals (eg: https://pitchfork.com/news/john-maus-exits-electronicon-2023-lineup-curator-george-clanton-apologizes-for-booking-him/ ) for attending the Capitol riots, which yeah sucks and fuck them, but meanwhile Grimes is partying with facists and she’s still around.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 18:29 (nine months ago) link
I guess you get a pass if you’re not explicit enough and tweet racist dog whistles instead.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 18:38 (nine months ago) link
at the risk of getting canceled myself, while her comments are bad, it sort of seems like if you accept a crude definition of patriarchy, as many do, then you sort of have to come to her conclusion. if a system of oppression is total then it’s responsible for the good things too. put another way, by trying to show just how deep things go, we can sometimes grant them more power than they really have. i think a lot of nu-fascism comes crawling through little conceptual openings like that.
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 29 June 2023 13:06 (eight months ago) link
it’s just goofy
― mh, Thursday, 29 June 2023 13:12 (eight months ago) link
so if you think about things in an intentionally shallow and pretend-ignorant way, you reach bad conclusions? lol
also I don't how nu "but patriarchy built the roads" is
― rob, Thursday, 29 June 2023 13:27 (eight months ago) link
seems like a variation on "mussolini made the trains run on time"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 June 2023 14:33 (eight months ago) link
well also roads suck. fuck a world dominated by cars, asphalt, and dumb men
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 29 June 2023 14:49 (eight months ago) link
yeah if you didn't watch the clip she names: the supply chain, food, Uber, roads, and civilization as good things that came from the patriarchy. thanks for all the food, patriarchs!
― rob, Thursday, 29 June 2023 14:53 (eight months ago) link
woman, man, person, supply chain, food, Uber, roads
― peace, man, Thursday, 29 June 2023 14:56 (eight months ago) link
We didn't start the patriarchy
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:02 (eight months ago) link
isn't it enough to say "i'm allowed to criticize the system without needing to flatly reject every helpful aspect of contemporary existence" ?
― budo jeru, Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:16 (eight months ago) link
that's @ uptown
― budo jeru, Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:21 (eight months ago) link
in any event, citing uber like it's one of the crowning achievements of western civilization is just laughably stupid. good thing we live in a meritocracy, so deserving intellectuals and artists like her can rise to the top!
― budo jeru, Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:23 (eight months ago) link
to reiterate, it’s goofy. for every change in the system you can say that everything that has existed got you to this time so why change?sounds like some shit from the nxivm documentary
― mh, Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:24 (eight months ago) link
It's like when Matt Walsh recently said that slavery was good because if it hadn't happened then maybe his grandparents would never have met and he'd be wiped out of existence
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:27 (eight months ago) link
sounds like some shit from the nxivm documentary
lol yes
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:34 (eight months ago) link
xp: waht
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:44 (eight months ago) link
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, June 29, 2023 10:27 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
another mark against slavery
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:50 (eight months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWKfvZjhv10
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 29 June 2023 15:50 (eight months ago) link
Look, I also wouldn’t exist were it not for slavery but that in no way justifies the existence of slavery and, not to brag about myself or anything, but I’m way better for humanity than Matt fucking Walsh
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 29 June 2023 16:07 (eight months ago) link
somebody stepped on a butterfly
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 29 June 2023 16:08 (eight months ago) link
She’s a shallow hype parrot, the worrisome aspect for me is that she’s parroting the dangerously dumb shit she’s hearing with the sillicon valley nepo babies and techno fascists she’s been hanging around with for the past years.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 29 June 2023 16:14 (eight months ago) link
I mean, it was the libertarian burner-adjacent post-hippies in montreal years ago and before that she did the "not a houseboat" thing
I think Thiel and company fund this crap because they know where people can likely end up as far as political and economic stances go, but so much of it is just fatuous bullshit that sounds like it came from a 20 year old who has been away from home a couple years and decided it's interesting to be contrarian in a trolly way. And some people just never outgrow that. Most of them don't vote, luckily
― mh, Thursday, 29 June 2023 17:12 (eight months ago) link
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_652,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86973eb3-0373-46c8-a898-a436f1d5e21d_1600x900.jpeg
― he thinks it's chinese money (soref), Sunday, 30 July 2023 08:14 (seven months ago) link
thought this was going to be the not very good new song but lmao
― ufo, Sunday, 30 July 2023 08:22 (seven months ago) link
It’s great that I haven’t heard of two of those people but I’m comfortable assuming they’re dumbasses by proximity.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 30 July 2023 08:53 (seven months ago) link
yeah grimes is the least reactionary person involved lol and hopefully will derail the whole thing with inane points about how vr is going to cause a new sexual revolution or something like that
― ufo, Sunday, 30 July 2023 09:06 (seven months ago) link
Triggered by Meta releasing the “legs” upgrade I expect
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 30 July 2023 12:50 (seven months ago) link
I was curious:
In the book, Perry, a columnist at the New Statesman,[3] compares liberal feminists surrounding sex to capitalism.[3] Perry argues that effective means of contraception has benefited men by representing sex as a recreational activity.[2] Perry explores the abuse of women who produce pornography, arguing the notion of consent can mask harms and the association between pornography and violent sexual behaviour.[4] Considering men, Perry notes the temporal correlation between erectile dysfunction and the use of pornography.[4]Perry draws upon her experience of working in a rape crisis centre to argue that liberal feminism minimises the sex differences, resulting in an unwillingness to consider what women can do to reduce the risk of sexual assault in a desire to avoid victim blaming.[2] Perry argues that conceptions about rape being motivated by the desire for power may be incorrect and may be motivated by a desire for sexual gratification.[5] Perry argues the sex-positive movement requires women to not comment on certain sexual behaviours such as kinks, sex work, and engage in sexual behaviour like men.[2] Perry expresses alarm at the sexual practice of choking, noting an increase in the practice and concern regarding the rough sex murder defense.[4]
Perry draws upon her experience of working in a rape crisis centre to argue that liberal feminism minimises the sex differences, resulting in an unwillingness to consider what women can do to reduce the risk of sexual assault in a desire to avoid victim blaming.[2] Perry argues that conceptions about rape being motivated by the desire for power may be incorrect and may be motivated by a desire for sexual gratification.[5] Perry argues the sex-positive movement requires women to not comment on certain sexual behaviours such as kinks, sex work, and engage in sexual behaviour like men.[2] Perry expresses alarm at the sexual practice of choking, noting an increase in the practice and concern regarding the rough sex murder defense.[4]
In 2013 Haider and Muhammad Syed co-founded Ex-Muslims of North America (EXMNA), an advocacy organization and online community which aims to normalize religious dissent and to helping create local support communities for those who have left Islam.[6] The organization was first based in just Washington, DC, and Toronto, but is now active in over 25 locations in the United States and Canada.[1]EXMNA believes Muslim communities often shun those who are accused of apostasy as well as their families and that fear of excommunication and violence makes it dangerous for closeted ex-Muslims if they are exposed as disbelievers.[10] They have stated that Islamic "apostates live with a level of threat that influences every aspect of life," because when someone leaves the faith they often lose their community and social support including their mosque, their friends, and even potentially their family. This is the reason why EXMNA believes that it is very important to normalize dissent in religious communities and why they have created a network of social support for those who chose to leave Islam.[11][12] Due to the fear of apostates being "outed," EXMNA has a lengthy screening process to ensure the security and safety of EXMNA members.[11]In 2015 she gave a speech called "Islam and the Necessity of Liberal Critique" at the American Humanist Association's 74th annual conference in Denver, Colorado, that has been widely viewed since uploaded to YouTube. During an interview with Dave Rubin she said she was nervous to deliver the speech, believing the topic of Islam and dissent to be "sensitive", yet was delighted at how well the speech was received.[7] Haider, a self-described liberal, is disheartened by what she feels is a hostile attitude towards Ex-Muslims by her fellow liberals. She has said women who leave Islam often "face ostracism, beatings, harassment and threats from their families and communities, forced travel back to home countries to pry them free of Western influence, and forced marriage," and therefore should be among the most welcomed by the liberal community. However, she feels that she and other Ex-Muslims are shunned by the left, having been called an Islamophobe. Haider has stated that this makes the position of Ex-Muslim atheists precarious because "the political right is not our friend. We don't have allies on the right due to our atheism," but at the same time she feels Ex-Muslims also have very few allies on the left.[3]In 2017 Haider decided to take EXMNA on a tour around the United States and Canada to speak at college campuses throughout the 2017–2018 academic year. EXMNA spoke on a variety of topics that affect Muslims and ex-Muslims.[1]
EXMNA believes Muslim communities often shun those who are accused of apostasy as well as their families and that fear of excommunication and violence makes it dangerous for closeted ex-Muslims if they are exposed as disbelievers.[10] They have stated that Islamic "apostates live with a level of threat that influences every aspect of life," because when someone leaves the faith they often lose their community and social support including their mosque, their friends, and even potentially their family. This is the reason why EXMNA believes that it is very important to normalize dissent in religious communities and why they have created a network of social support for those who chose to leave Islam.[11][12] Due to the fear of apostates being "outed," EXMNA has a lengthy screening process to ensure the security and safety of EXMNA members.[11]
In 2015 she gave a speech called "Islam and the Necessity of Liberal Critique" at the American Humanist Association's 74th annual conference in Denver, Colorado, that has been widely viewed since uploaded to YouTube. During an interview with Dave Rubin she said she was nervous to deliver the speech, believing the topic of Islam and dissent to be "sensitive", yet was delighted at how well the speech was received.[7] Haider, a self-described liberal, is disheartened by what she feels is a hostile attitude towards Ex-Muslims by her fellow liberals. She has said women who leave Islam often "face ostracism, beatings, harassment and threats from their families and communities, forced travel back to home countries to pry them free of Western influence, and forced marriage," and therefore should be among the most welcomed by the liberal community. However, she feels that she and other Ex-Muslims are shunned by the left, having been called an Islamophobe. Haider has stated that this makes the position of Ex-Muslim atheists precarious because "the political right is not our friend. We don't have allies on the right due to our atheism," but at the same time she feels Ex-Muslims also have very few allies on the left.[3]
In 2017 Haider decided to take EXMNA on a tour around the United States and Canada to speak at college campuses throughout the 2017–2018 academic year. EXMNA spoke on a variety of topics that affect Muslims and ex-Muslims.[1]
― Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 30 July 2023 21:49 (seven months ago) link
Leaked footage of grimes rehearsing for the women’s debate
grimes at the women’s debate pic.twitter.com/iqrtmeDc0H— lexaprofessional (@queasy_f_bby) August 1, 2023
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 16:12 (seven months ago) link
what a fucking moron
grimes just did an interview with wired and uhhhhh https://t.co/Tnci1MNzYg pic.twitter.com/F0a5ah9WjA— Best of Dying Twiter (@bestofdyingtwit) August 8, 2023
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 18:11 (seven months ago) link
And on the Xth Day, the arguments happened.
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 18:19 (seven months ago) link
I do miss the days when we were blissfully unaware about which of our favourite musicians were fucking idiots.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 18:24 (seven months ago) link
"With AI you can be in some shitty town where you don’t have access to a good school, and you can have, like, a world-class education."
― nashwan, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 20:47 (seven months ago) link
Convincing Elon to challenge Mark Zuckerberg to an actual dick measuring contest is pretty funny
― bbq, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 23:07 (seven months ago) link
When I told my millennial son that I was interviewing her, he questioned her relevance.
― mh, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 23:29 (seven months ago) link
she was always a dumbass, difference is just it was more endearing when it lead to mostly benign goofy takes and the houseboat story, before she started hanging out with fascists
― ufo, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 23:36 (seven months ago) link
If anyone asks why I just walked into the woods and was never seen again, just show them this snippet of EM and Grimes’ courtship story pic.twitter.com/mRYZxB7hjS— 🎃Maggie Serota (@maggieserota) August 10, 2023
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 August 2023 14:49 (seven months ago) link
She's like a college dorm room bong rip that became sentient
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:19 (seven months ago) link
lmao of fucking course Elon is the type of asshole that has to immediately quiz a woman to see if she's a "real fan"
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:21 (seven months ago) link
"We can solve climate change with AI and stuff"
― Position Position, Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:28 (seven months ago) link
i do think she’s riding some post-trump social-energy shift where some people are somehow able to use their incessant idiocy as a source of power; Elons repeated faceplants at twitter and the attendant mockery cresting a feedback loop of motivation to be even more annoying; I feel that Eric Adams has a similar energy. I guess it’s just shamelessness but it seems sort of a case of difference in degree being so complete that it becomes a difference of kind. it’s like the inverse of modern toxic fan culture
I say this because she seems to be adept at the “flood the zone with shit” rhetorical technique that the above mentioned also use; I was expecting the revive to be about this but there’s all sorts of other stupid things to consider now:
I love Lizzo. Not saying I don't believe ppl when bad things happen, but I had dancers mistreated on my watch in ways I didn't find out about until way later. Mebe shit is bad. But loyalty matters to me. Lizzo was kind to me and others for a decade before she was "cool", and…— 𝔊𝔯𝔦𝔪𝔢𝔰 (@Grimezsz) August 6, 2023
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:59 (seven months ago) link
has anyone ever said anything good with "just my two cents" appended to it?
― rob, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:01 (seven months ago) link
just my roll of nickels
― mh, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:21 (seven months ago) link
\o/
― mark s, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:25 (seven months ago) link
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/f/f2/My_Two_Cents.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130715204432
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:26 (seven months ago) link
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/f/f2/My_Two_Cents.jpg
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:27 (seven months ago) link
The fallacy there obv being "lizzo being nice to other famous person" doesn't undercut any "lizzo is an asshole to everyday folks under her authority" stories.
― omar little, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:28 (seven months ago) link
Grimes weirdly seems like someone who doesn't want to rock the boat with anyone or offend people while she says these insane things, or she thinks they're amazing ideas that couldn't possibly be offensive.
― omar little, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:30 (seven months ago) link
She seems to have this 1990s Wired magazine optimism about how technology will fix the world
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:36 (seven months ago) link
you guys really don't like Grimes.
― DT, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:37 (seven months ago) link
Well let's figure it out. Maybe there's some AI technology that could help us like Grimes again.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:39 (seven months ago) link
she sound like this guy
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/708/a8e/bb27d7670fdcb6151b5a4279061c3331d4-shing.2x.rhorizontal.w700.jpg
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:58 (seven months ago) link
In the Wired interview, she claims that she made more money from NFTs than she did from her music career.
― peace, man, Thursday, 10 August 2023 17:07 (seven months ago) link
The full excerpt gets even worse
"Every now and then, often at the most complex of times, the Creators of Our Simulation—those rascals who conjure up what we are led to believe is reality—drop in a sparky new element, one that creates chaotic new subplots. And thus into Musk’s life in the spring of 2018, amid the emotional tsunami caused by his breakup with Amber Heard, came a waiflike weaver of sounds, Claire Boucher, known as Grimes, a smart and spellbinding performance artist whose appearance would lead to new children, on-and-off domesticity, and even a public battle with an unhinged rapper. Born in Vancouver, Grimes had produced four albums by the time she started dating Musk. Drawing on science fiction themes and memes, her mesmerizing music combined sonic texture with elements of dream pop and electronica. She had an adventuresome curiosity that led her to become interested in eclectic ideas, such as a thought experiment known as Roko’s basilisk, which posits that artificial intelligence could get out of control and torture any human who had not helped it gain power. These are the types of things that she and Musk worry about. When Musk wanted to tweet a pun about it, he Google-searched to find an image, and he discovered that Grimes had made it an element of her 2015 music video “Flesh without Blood.” She and Musk got into a Twitter exchange that led, in the modern way, to direct-messaging and texting. They had met before and, ironically, it was when Musk was in an elevator with Amber Heard. “Remember that elevator meeting?” Grimes asked during a late-night conversation I had with her and Musk. “I mean that was super weird.” “Of all the times to meet,” Musk agreed. “You were staring at me very intensely.” “No,” she corrected, “you were the one giving me a weird stare.” After they met again through the Roko’s basilisk exchange on Twitter, Musk invited her to fly up to Fremont to visit his factory, his idea of a good date. “We just walked the floor all night, and I watched him try to fix things,” Grimes says. The next night, while driving her to a restaurant, he showed how fast the car accelerated, then took his hands off the wheel, covered his eyes, and let her experience Autopilot. “I was like, oh shit, this guy is fucking crazy,” she says. “The car was signaling and changing lanes by itself. It felt like a scene out of a Marvel movie.” At the restaurant, he carved “EM+CB” on the wall. When she compared his powers to those of Gandalf, he gave her a rapid-fire trivia test on Lord of the Rings. He wanted to see whether she was truly a faithful fan. She passed. “That mattered to me,” Musk says. As a gift, she gave him a box of animal bones she had collected. In the evenings, they listened to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History and other history podcasts and audiobooks. “The only way I could be in a serious relationship is if the person I’m dating can also listen to an hour of, like, war history before bed,” she says.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 August 2023 17:08 (seven months ago) link
amusingly that excerpt does actually capture that "we forced an AI to listen to 1000 hours of Grimes interviews" style of posting
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 August 2023 17:19 (seven months ago) link
I 100% believe this
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 10 August 2023 17:28 (seven months ago) link
And she made even more money having Apartheid Clyde’s bebes
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 August 2023 18:02 (seven months ago) link
yeah, NFTs are stupid AF, but some people are still making quite a lot of money off them
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 10 August 2023 18:29 (seven months ago) link
in 2023??
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 August 2023 18:30 (seven months ago) link
i feel like grimes' audience is probably the exact demo that would be suckers for nft bullshit
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 August 2023 18:55 (seven months ago) link
the people she's djing for now definitely were
― mh, Thursday, 10 August 2023 21:42 (seven months ago) link
It'd be funny if Musk was down for buy(back)ing the Grimes NFTs but then even he thought it was money down the drain garbage.
― nashwan, Thursday, 10 August 2023 21:57 (seven months ago) link
From the excerpts from Musk’s book I’ve read she comes across as so unlikable, also this laughable lie: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10602259/amp/Grimes-reveals-Elon-Musk-lived-insecure-40-000-house.html gets crushed by the biographer describing their mansion with a house staff of which Claire was “distrustful and demanding”.
I got challenged in this thread back in 2018 because I guess I was one of her first ex-fans in here to start seeing thru her bullshit, but her latest passive agressive burn-delete tweet against that other Musk breeding vessel, Shivon, was still so disappointing and somewhat sad.
I need to stop following whatever’s going on with her, at this point I don’t think she’ll ever do or say anything that makes me say “oh that’s cool” anymore.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 10:23 (six months ago) link
― sean gramophone, Thursday, January 5, 2012 9:08 AM (eleven years ago)
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 11:58 (six months ago) link
Okay, another thought about potentially why Grimes is good but I can't invest myself fully - she's a popular kid masquerading as a weirdo, and that makes real weirdos feel even more alienated from society at large (I am a real weirdo).
― emil.y, Thursday, 21 January 2016 14:38 (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― imago, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 12:13 (six months ago) link
nah she's a genuine weirdo (derogatory)
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 12:18 (six months ago) link
yeah, she was definitely not the "popular kid masquerading as a weirdo"
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 12:44 (six months ago) link
I mean of course she is weird and so is her on-off manpig blob, but there’s a great amount of calculation of her “character”. She herself keeps calling Grimes a character, she gets to choose which shallow thing is part of the act.
I’m aware this will sound like I’m a gatekeeper but Elon and herself call themselves massive sci-fi/fantasy geeks and all they ever reference is idk massively popular things like Game of Thrones, LOTR, DUNE or some fantasy/sci fi playstation game. So many things she says have always sounded fake to me. Like “look at how kooky and random I am!”
With artists like say Kate Bush or Bjork - per example - the weird feels genuine and not just part of an act. That is just how they really are. And in turn it doesn’t feel pathetic when they go past their 40’s and are still behaving somewhat childlike and eccentric. They are just wired like that and it’s attractive.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:35 (six months ago) link
― imago, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:38 (six months ago) link
Everything about her just screams tourist to me. There’s nothing inherently bad about being a tourist, but there’s artists like say David Bowie that made his tourism something artistic and worthwhile for the most part. She has just being doing cryptofascist bullshit tourism.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:45 (six months ago) link
David Bowie’s fascist tourism didn’t last for 6+ years and we got Station to Station out of it. With her we’ve got… an nft collection.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:49 (six months ago) link
i have a contrasting view: she is genuinely and deeply interested in these things, but was acclaimed so early (and so much) for her work that she thinks it is enough to skim and riff on these topics; she doesn't recognize that great work relies on deep reflection, investment and original invention using canon as a stepping-off point.
it's like someone who gets famous for the first painting they ever throw together; they could be led to think that great paintings are made casually, almost unthinkingly, just so long as one is genius enough (as they believe they are)
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:50 (six months ago) link
tumblr
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:50 (six months ago) link
I am agreeing with that point somewhat. But that’s the thing, her tourism has proven to be very shallow.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:51 (six months ago) link
seriously though her entire set of interests and aesthetics make her like a sentient tumblr feed from whatever years she was most active
mind blown when someone reposts an excerpt of isacc asimov's wiki page and then it's back to scrolling through sexy anime robots
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:56 (six months ago) link
a big thing is just she lost interest in music to a large degree and became wealthy enough (she made millions from nft sales lol) that she didn't really need to care about her career too much.
She herself keeps calling Grimes a character, she gets to choose which shallow thing is part of the act.
she is nowhere near savvy enough to do this though. for better and worse she's always been incredibly unfiltered
― ufo, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 14:27 (six months ago) link
Btw some of the segments on this video are overreaching and most are common knowledge if you’ve been following her downfall, but just in case you’re still on the cringe claire train, there’s some pretty damning facts in here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex6ozSj91SE?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 15:07 (six months ago) link
I do think she's a genuine weirdo, I don't think we should doubt the sincerity of her weirdness just because she's become a lamestain. I still think everything up to and including Miss anthropocene is great, but I haven't really listened to any of her music since then. It does seem like she's lost interest in music at least in the way that is actually compelling versus some bs neo-futurist conception of what art is. I'm not even offended by it, it just seems like a strange trip to take, by someone who seemingly doesn't understand what made her music great in the first place. I really don't know what to make of her, and would probably just prefer to not think about her versus damning her.
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 15:37 (six months ago) link
what if Furby but even more annoying and possibly evil
Welcome to Curio, where toys come to life! 🧸We've partnered with @Grimezsz on our first 3 characters: Grok 🚀, Gabbo🤖, and Grem👽.Order by Sunday to receive a Beta Program Certificate in the mail before Xmas, toys ship early 2024!https://t.co/AQFtMIU7sG pic.twitter.com/vLVI3PTaMN— Curio (@CurioBeta) December 14, 2023
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 14 December 2023 21:16 (three months ago) link
Grok, huh
― rob, Thursday, 14 December 2023 21:31 (three months ago) link
Gabbo! that oughta hold the little S.O.Bs
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 14 December 2023 23:24 (three months ago) link
I'm called a Nazi because I happily am proud of white culture. But every day I think fondly of the brown king Cyrus the Great who invented the first ever empire, and the Japanese icon Murasaki Shikibu who wrote the first novel ever. What if humans just loved each other?…— Princess Irulen ® (@Grimezsz) December 31, 2023
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Sunday, 31 December 2023 18:28 (two months ago) link
still spouting gibberish
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:06 (two months ago) link
remember when we were supposed to take this clown seriously
― Left, Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:11 (two months ago) link
Not really no.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:11 (two months ago) link
I think the big reason no one has bothered to do a deep dive and report on her less savory associations is because she so thoroughly marginalized herself into absolute irrelevance via her career path. she might argue "my appeal has become more selective" but I think the greatest thing about her at one point was the warmth of her music, which has been subsumed by an uncanny valley approximation of what she once was. I guess she just wants to be AI now, it's hard to reconcile the person who was goofing around in the video for Oblivion w/who she is now.
― omar little, Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:12 (two months ago) link
every day I think fondly of the brown king Cyrus the Great
― flopson, Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:15 (two months ago) link
Guys, ask your girlfriends how many times a day the brown king Cyrus the Great crosses their mind
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:23 (two months ago) link
she's been given the benefit of the doubt for years while telling us who she is. because she previously wrapped it up in some half baked conceptual bow that people can make more content out of, they've pretended not to see it. hopefully that's no longer possible
― Left, Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:24 (two months ago) link
cool how she picks one aryan and one honorary aryan to show us how she's not a nazi
― Left, Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:26 (two months ago) link
what’s funny about her ex getting irrationally angry at wikipedia this year is that it’s clear half their relationship was getting stoned and reading or sending each other wikipedia articles
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:26 (two months ago) link
remember when we were supposed to take this clown seriously― Left, Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:11 (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Left, Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:11 (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
No, I remember when she made some good records about a decade ago.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 31 December 2023 19:59 (two months ago) link
how many times a day the brown king Cyrus the Great crosses their mind
88 times
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 31 December 2023 21:25 (two months ago) link
The pernicious effect of Canadian content laws
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 31 December 2023 21:26 (two months ago) link
finally hit unfollow today, was way overdue
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 31 December 2023 21:29 (two months ago) link
having 'court jester' in her twitter bio is accurate at least
― ufo, Sunday, 31 December 2023 21:58 (two months ago) link
I think the big reason no one has bothered to do a deep dive and report on her less savory associations is because she so thoroughly marginalized herself into absolute irrelevance via her career path
biggest thing is that she basically stopped releasing music, she only put out a handful of not very good singles in the past 4 years despite briefly signing to columbia and repeatedly announcing new projects that never eventuate. if she does eventually put out a new album i expect at least some of the press will get into her fascist associations etc.
caroline polachek released the a better art angels follow-up last year than grimes is capable of anyway, not like anyone really needs new music from her at this point. though i would still like a studio version of "david" lol
― ufo, Sunday, 31 December 2023 22:11 (two months ago) link
luv 2 prove my non-nazi bonafides by citing my affection for an expansionist Aryan king and a member of the imperial Japanese court
― rob, Sunday, 31 December 2023 22:23 (two months ago) link
Well, when’s she going to release them?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Sunday, 31 December 2023 23:00 (two months ago) link
Visions is a truly good album but now it seems like an anomaly or accident
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 1 January 2024 00:01 (two months ago) link
And Realiti (Demo) of course. Please don't tell me I'm wrong to like music PK. Happy New Year.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 January 2024 00:19 (two months ago) link
not to be a cynic, but spending years around weirdo underground noise whites, this pivot is pretty unsurprising lol.
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 1 January 2024 01:12 (two months ago) link
Realiti Demo is this board’s most embarrassing poll winner
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 1 January 2024 01:44 (two months ago) link
Grimes already sparked ILMs greatest civil war
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 1 January 2024 04:13 (two months ago) link
Eh, I'll still take "Realiti (Demo)" over "Get Lucky" or "Boys".
― MarkoP, Monday, 1 January 2024 04:47 (two months ago) link
Pre-Musk Grimes was cool and her music was good.
― treeship., Monday, 1 January 2024 04:52 (two months ago) link
She is obviously a Moldbug reading creep now, though.
― treeship., Monday, 1 January 2024 04:55 (two months ago) link
I saw her perform once when that album people liked came out and it was iirc utterly unmemorable/underwhelming.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 January 2024 09:00 (two months ago) link
i never got the impression she was a particularly strong live performer even when she was making good music
― ufo, Monday, 1 January 2024 10:04 (two months ago) link
weirdo underground noise whiteshaving met a handful of people who were either Grimes-adjacent or from similar scenes…. yeahthe thing about artistic scenes that are actually healthy and have a number of young people is you don’t realize how good you have it and what’s enabled those scenes (affordable living, public arts funding, venues that are well-run) until later. and then some people get bitter about how they’re not being catered to, or they’ve broken out and have some level of success and think they did it all on their own (see: Grimes)a lot of bizarre american-style libertarian thought creeps in when people think they’re being very independent but are actually being independent together
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 1 January 2024 16:53 (two months ago) link
time for me to tap the sign: uncritical tech-fetishization / accelerationism can lead to fascism via a sort of basic social Darwinism / half baked Nietzscheanism. Elon might index the shift but not sure he caused it, especially in light of how many other artists and thinkers have made this slide over the decade. not that artist as ubermensch/amoral capitalist “winner” is new qualitatively per se, but now it’s resonating with other sort of post-internet tendencies
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Monday, 1 January 2024 17:16 (two months ago) link
i’m not sure if grimes as ayn rand protagonist who neglects the role public arts funding and affordable living in her early career is the right framing. as ufo said she basically nuked her own career, seemingly more out of disinterest than anything else (“music is my side quest”). i feel like she is more ideologically consistent then people give her credit for; she was onto this loopy new agey transhumanism scifi tech-utopianism—politically an incoherent hodgepodge but always with some libertarianism in the mix—since day one. it’s more racist now, but i bet if you went back and read her 2012 tumblr posts you’d find a lot of commonality
― flopson, Monday, 1 January 2024 17:59 (two months ago) link
The thing about sci fi tech Utopianists is that they don’t seem to realize they are always the bad guys in sci fi (post 1940s anyway)
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:09 (two months ago) link
walking tumblr post
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:45 (two months ago) link
xpost she was originally a folk punk who sailed down the mighty Mississippi on a raft
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:54 (two months ago) link
Then she touched a monolith
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 January 2024 18:55 (two months ago) link
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, January 1, 2024 1:09 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
To me it is such an inhuman and unappealing philosophy that it is hard to understand why people are actually attracted to it. The psychology of most right wing stuff is ugly but legible — it is about tribal loyalty and fear of the unfamiliar. Merging with machines though? It’s mysticism, but humans here are not uniting with the divine — “going home” — as in religious traditions.
― treeship., Monday, 1 January 2024 19:16 (two months ago) link
we're already merged with machines so it just feels like a way to turn the status quo into a religion (in these hands at least)
― Left, Monday, 1 January 2024 19:38 (two months ago) link
there are formulations of anti/post humanism which are actually radical (for better or worse) and aren't just the ruling class dressing up their racist capitalist nihilism as something new and rebellious but of course this version is what has taken off. fuck the world
― Left, Monday, 1 January 2024 19:48 (two months ago) link
antihumanism is a big tent and lots of different kinds of thinkers take issue with humanism for different reasons. many are very human reasons. they think humanism enables exploitation, both of other people and the environment.
this stuff is different. you are right that it is a post-hoc justification for capitalist destruction.
― treeship., Monday, 1 January 2024 19:52 (two months ago) link
https://i.ibb.co/6nd2hn6/5uyjpzms0v9c1.webp
kinda amazing her and Elon didn't work out really
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:22 (two months ago) link
"loving humans" was a dealbreaker
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:25 (two months ago) link
just dumb as hell
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:28 (two months ago) link
Why do gay people hate aircraft?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:17 (two months ago) link
left otm
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 20:24 (two months ago) link
Can you really be cancelled by the gay community if it’s been a decade since you were midly relevant?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 00:14 (two months ago) link
Grimes the musician has always been bad, it just took a little while for Grimes the person to catch up
― the new drip king (DJP), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 00:40 (two months ago) link
https://boingboing.net/2024/01/02/now-we-know-what-grimes-saw-in-elon.html
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 01:42 (two months ago) link
Why do gay people hate aircraft?― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, January 2, 2024 2:17 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, January 2, 2024 2:17 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
I think what she's trying to say is that she identifies as a middle-aged white man because she likes aircraft, an interest associated with middle-aged white men. But because she is also sexually or romantically attracted to men, that makes her gay. It's strongly reminiscent of "I identify as an attack helicopter" transphobic bullshit if not just a straight-up dog whistle to that point.
I 'm going to see if my local record store will take a trade-in on my copy of Art Angels. I've been holding on to it because I like the music and she's already got my money from it. But every time I look at the spine, I get angry. Not holding my breath for a Claire Boucher redemption story at this point.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 14:49 (two months ago) link
She wrote a paragraph to recreate the "lesbian trapped in a man's body" Spencer's Gifts t-shirt.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 16:24 (two months ago) link
But that t-shirt is sort of funny and doesn’t seem ill-intended unlike her tweet.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 19:37 (two months ago) link
― Left, Monday, January 1, 2024 1:48 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
agree but think it's way more sinister than this, tbh.
― budo jeru, Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:44 (two months ago) link
but it's a conversation for another thread (and connects to j. epstein's creepy "transhumanism"). i hate this person and her lame music and opinions so won't keep posting here
― budo jeru, Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:45 (two months ago) link
the only way "back" for her is to ditch all that stuff and rebrand as "claire."
― treeship., Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:10 (two months ago) link
which is a nice name, actually.
perhaps her riverboat alias, Veruschka
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:26 (two months ago) link
I bet Grimey would love this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0gnnVcOLNc
― peace, man, Thursday, 4 January 2024 15:45 (two months ago) link
She would certainly agree that Marconi's innovations in Mamba playing are among the peaks of white civilization
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 January 2024 15:52 (two months ago) link
is she finally enough of a nazi now that the music press won't cover her at all because she put out some garbage 'nightcore remix' version of one of her old albums last week and i only just found out by accident
― ufo, Thursday, 7 March 2024 07:39 (three weeks ago) link
I think it's a little of column A and a little of column B, the latter being "what the fuck is a nightcore remix", also I could be wrong but no one really reported/gave a shit that Daft Punk put out that "drumless edition" of Random Access Memories either
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 7 March 2024 12:12 (three weeks ago) link
well shit I'll listen to a drumless edition of R.A.M. thanks Murgatroid
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 7 March 2024 15:12 (three weeks ago) link
pitchfork reviewed that drumless RAM fwiw
― rob, Thursday, 7 March 2024 15:17 (three weeks ago) link
As lazy as the drumless version of RAM is it probably took more time that this “nightcore” remix. I haven’t listened -or intend to do it ever - but for those unaware “nightcore” just means a sped up and higher pitched version of a song:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightcore
So she probably did this in like 15 mins and called it a day.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 March 2024 15:36 (three weeks ago) link
No wonder why noone is taking a minute to review it or even mention it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 March 2024 15:38 (three weeks ago) link
well.
i guess i should say _something_ here.
lame move to stay relevant? most likely. kinda worked on me tho, because it prompted me to go back to the original album.
and she was definitely onto something else for a minute back then. the world really is a weird place. what did any of this music mean back then? i don't think it's for me to know, but it always sounded fucking great in every situation. it wasn't my soundtrack, it was my smarter friend also realizing we're lost again, but being... well, more intelligent than me. yeah, i agree! let's go this way!
idk. i might listen to the nightcore version, but this music has already tormented me enough.
weird how a subconscious works+experiencing her music as a multiple. what a wonderful hiding place. she never did break my heart in the dark.👋🏻
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Thursday, 7 March 2024 15:57 (three weeks ago) link
Grimes the musician has always been mediocre at best IMO
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Thursday, 7 March 2024 17:41 (three weeks ago) link
I thought she was brilliant in the Visions - Art Angels run, enjoyed that period a lot. Hard to revisit now.
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 7 March 2024 18:00 (three weeks ago) link
considering it's the album that has a bunch of Dune references, she probably thought she'd hijack some attention
good try, Grehms
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 7 March 2024 18:34 (three weeks ago) link
those remixes are made for tiktok labels drop like 50 of them a day
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 7 March 2024 18:44 (three weeks ago) link
She's probably right about this
i’m sorry grimes but what the fuck do you mean by this pic.twitter.com/75cyRulfZj— horse dentist (@equine__dentist) March 17, 2024
― President Keyes, Monday, 18 March 2024 15:08 (one week ago) link
hahaha i was just coming to post that
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 March 2024 15:12 (one week ago) link
surely he's the Alia because she did hell of spice during pregnancy
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 18 March 2024 15:12 (one week ago) link
I’m the main character
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 18 March 2024 17:37 (one week ago) link
ornithopter parent
― 145 feet up in a Jeffrey Pine (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 18 March 2024 18:53 (one week ago) link
I'm reading it as Elon (father) : Baron Harkonnen :: Grimes (daughter) : Lady Jessica :: Paul : X-tAEL (or whatevs)
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Monday, 18 March 2024 18:57 (one week ago) link
They're all giant worms.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 March 2024 18:59 (one week ago) link
It's Dune but the worms are in your brains
― President Keyes, Monday, 18 March 2024 19:11 (one week ago) link
So her son is going to start a holy war that kills half the population and then her grandson will live for thousands of years in a symbiosis with a worm? I could see that
― bbq, Monday, 18 March 2024 21:24 (one week ago) link
🫡
― mookieproof, Monday, 18 March 2024 21:28 (one week ago) link
This is all after AI nearly kills off humanity and computers are banned so maybe it will come true
― octobeard, Monday, 18 March 2024 21:52 (one week ago) link
So her son is going to start a holy war that kills the half of the population that her ex-husband hadn't already destroyed and then her grandson will live for thousands of years in a symbiosis with a worm? I could see that
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 March 2024 21:59 (one week ago) link
maybe he'll just be sad when Leto (Jared) dies
― 145 feet up in a Jeffrey Pine (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 18 March 2024 22:00 (one week ago) link
do you think she never married Elon because she thought Dune was cool and Jessica wasn’t married
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 18 March 2024 23:09 (one week ago) link
I thought she was brilliant in the Visions - Art Angels run, enjoyed that period a lot. Hard to revisit now.― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, March 7, 2024 10:00 AM
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, March 7, 2024 10:00 AM
this got me to go back to 'realiti' and man ... there's just nothing to say about a song like that by now. i'll drop this link and let ya'll continue the deserved roast.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 00:02 (one week ago) link
So Cringe Claire thinks she’s a Bene Gesserit, but she’d actually be closer to someone like Lucilla than Jessica.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 00:39 (one week ago) link
Btw this comes from a 2022 VF interview that has many more cringe-inducing quotes:
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/03/grimes-cover-story-on-music-and-mars
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 00:53 (one week ago) link
Jenny from the Besserit
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 02:14 (one week ago) link
I’m not ever claiming to be more intelligent than anyone but C just loves memes and tropes and would love to just meme and trope her way along. And a fair bit of that was recording an album with dune-themed titles while not eating or sleeping
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 03:31 (one week ago) link
Yeah that album was made 14 years ago and a lot has changed since then, hasn’t it?
This is no longer an “oh so kooky” indie musician shitposting on her tumblr. This is a grown-ass woman saying the child she had with one of the richest assholes on the planet is like the fascist messiah that was promised or whatever.
She might be joking but it’s easy to see why people would be rolling their eyes at that idea nowadays.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 03:50 (one week ago) link
i wonder if janelle monae still has her back?
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 01:38 (one week ago) link