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Her 2012 album Visions will be released on 4AD. Net strangers I've come to trust rate it.

The lead leak is electro-Frankie Valli.

der dukatenscheisser (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 03:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

We have a Grimes thread? Oh man! This is the year when Montreal's weird noise pop electronic stuff is going to get attention! Excited!

Looking v. much forward to this album. Vanessa was a highlight of 2011 and while 2009's Geidi Primes is still her best album, Halfaxa was good and her live shows have only improved with time.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 05:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh cool - this was one of the things that lamp posted on his sandbox thread that i really liked a lot

sarahel, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 08:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

New track available here. Good stuff.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

this one is the one I love (right now).

fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 04:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whoa. I don't think I have that - which album is it from?

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

from what I understand it is another track from the new one.

fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

terrible

waka flocka dimes (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think you're in her demographic, sweet

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 07:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am not sure i can get with this girl's voice

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

probably an unfair comparison but i think of her in connection with gazelle twin, who i discovered at the same time on that sandbox thread, and gazelle twin's music is so much more affecting

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

very strange girl! (unf, i also think she might be one of those people for whom an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing. hope i'm wrong.)

sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just got the press release.

Moving to Montreal from Vancouver in 2006, she developed Grimes among the city’s burgeoning DIY scene; a scene where both punk ethos and pop music collide, resulting in a distinct sense of community, religiosity and psychedelic revelry.

Were it not for the word "psychedelic" that description brought to mind mall punk.

This new set incorporates influences as wide as Enya, TLC and Aphex Twin, whilst drawing from genres like New Jack Swing, IDM, New Age, K-pop, Industrial and glitch resulting in a record that is both otherworldly and futuristic.

That mix of references simultaneously makes me cringe and curious.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

lists of "influences" are always cringeworthy

Number None, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing

It's interesting you'd say that! I'm excited for her success, in a "get money, find rat-free living" sort of way. And although I def feel there's going to be success for Arbutus in the next couple years, I can't say that cash flow + hype is going to have a necessarily positive effect on that scene

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

's musical output.

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well BRAIDS has already jumped up out of that scene and into hype, and Native Speaker was a gorgeous record. Curious to see if/when/what Blue Hawaii release next.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 6 January 2012 05:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am not sure i can get with this girl's voice

I'm listening to the split with d'Eon from last year at the moment and this is my main issue, although it's only a couple of tracks where it sounds annoying.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I listened to Halfaxa and wasn't really feeling it - did I start in the wrong place?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes, i've got an album by her and it's OK, but not much more

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Geidi Prime is stronger than Halfaxa, imo.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

But I dunno, it depends on what part of it you aren't feeling.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think "Oblivion" - the first single from the 4AD album - is better than almost anything she's recorded.

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Oblivion" is awesome. Those synths sounds like universes collapsing on themselves.

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Huh, weird, coz I think Halfaxa >>>> Geidi Prime, it's less focused but it's more ambitious and better realised. I don't hear Enya or TLC or Aphex Twin in her music, but it does give an idea of the scope of her range. But then again, at other times, I like her coz she reminds me of those 4AD 4-track weirdoes like Danielle Dax or His Name Is Alive.

Quite pleased that certain elements dislike her (heh) but it is distinctly odd to see her popping up in the NME every now and then. I think she might actually have the ability to sustain making good music despite the hype cycle - someone's third album is a much better place for the hype to kick in, rather than, y'know, the third song.

Damn, I wish I'd saved other links from my arty experimental gothy electronica sandbox thread. The only other artists I can remember having a consensus on were Emika and maybe Laurel Halo? I don't feel like starting it up again.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Barbara Panther, Niki & the Dove, Gazelle Twin, Julia Holter, and iamamiwhoami also got shoutouts.

Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

And Austra.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

this leaked. and it's good, but I don't think it will convince anyone who wasn't prone to be convinced by the previous stuff.

fffv, Saturday, 21 January 2012 02:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i really don't know what i think of this album

tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are bits of it that are OH FUCK YES, and there are bits that i am just not down with and a lot of the time it's like she's nearly hitting the spot and then nothing happens

tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm loving the background vocals on Vowels = space and time.

Skin is also an early favourite.

Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?

This is an album of wonderful moments. Not all of them are 'songs' for me yet, but a lot of them are.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 22:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

I quite like "Oblivion," not sure yet about the rest.

jaymc, Friday, 3 February 2012 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

When is this out, properly? Really want to hear this, the comments are piquing my interest.

Drexciya's Midnight Runners (Wheal Dream), Friday, 3 February 2012 23:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

really digging this myself

Chris S, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

from what I understand, this is out on either the 21st of this month (Arbutus, US and Canada) or the 12th of next month (4AD, most everywhere else). and I hope that previous comments did not imply that I lack enthusiasm. I love Visions a lot, but despite all of the pop aspirations it feels like it was built to inspire obsession from a limited audience.

fffv, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

She definitely has the charm and hooks to pull to a wider audience but her songwriting could use some editing... many times it does sound like the songs drift without any specific purpose and as a whole it drags.

Moka, Saturday, 4 February 2012 05:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

For legit consumers, Visions streaming in its entirety

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can't. Don't have the bandwidth!

*cries*

Why couldn't this have been available 2 weeks ago when I still had all you can eat broadband?

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Given there's nothing on the album I'm bored by, I think editing would inevitably mean reducing the idiosyncratic facets I'm charmed by.

Best thing about Grimes: she has such disinterest (contempt?) for lyrical content as she chirps through her baby birdsong. She might as well be the electropop version of Juliana Barwick..

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeh this is excellent

nathey, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

"skin" is very pretty, but a bit insubstantial, tho i guess "insubstantial" is kinda the point. soft, sweet, ghostly. don't hear no afx, but enya sure. and i don't hate enya, but i don't love this. got bored before the 6 minutes were up.

"oblivion" is much more immediate. the nothing lyrics are kind of selling me, "look into my eyes and la la la la la, see you on a dark night". that's great! love the synths at the end, too.

want more songs like "oblivion"

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?

dunno, but it's v nice. enya influence is even more prominent at the beginning, but j-lo too? love the shift to dark propulive beats halfway through.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

For lex:
Grimes namechecked a similar/sympatico artist Mozart's Sister whose voice might be more to your liking:

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ Also of Montreal.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm gonna bookmark this thread for when I've topped up my data bcuz "electronic Juliana Barwick" = WCC catnip if I wasn't onboard already (which I have been since Halfaxa)

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

so she made this on garageband, huh?

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mozart's Sister is also v. good!

They have a three track EP called DEAR FEAR from last year. Maybe they have other stuff too? Not sure.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

yaaaaaarg, just listening to her stuff now (i'm always way late with everything) and enjoying it a lot. i just took a break from some incredibly bureaucratic shit at work to watch this video and i don't..think..i can go back to work again today

tmi but (Z S), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Skin reminds me of a mix between Enya and Natalie Imbruglia's smoke. Am I too off?

Moka, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really can't believe we have come to a point where evoking the names Stacy Q and Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam results in a positive fucking review. I give up.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love this album cover!

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Friday, 17 February 2012 23:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, is awesome. post in the best of 2012 thread!

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 17 February 2012 23:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

after being completely underwhelmed by anything i heard of hers before this record (i'm kind of with lex on the voice thing), i'm really enjoying "oblivion" and "circumabient"

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 February 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fucking adore this record.

Funny that Alex in Montreal referred to Braids upthread as this album strikes me as something of an electronic equivalent, simultaneously tuneful and spacious and drifting (whereas I think Juliana Barwick is a bit of a misleading point of comparison).

"Skin" esp. is wonderful.

Tim F, Saturday, 18 February 2012 06:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

i gave this a few more tries and while there's nothing i actively dislike about her music, neither is there anything hooking me back in - it's all vaguely "interesting", also very unmemorable and lite.

if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 February 2012 11:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

cf julianna barwick who hooked me straight away, and gazelle twin whose music i absolutely adore sinking into. grimes has no gravitas.

if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 February 2012 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

the cover of this record is really really bad. if you're going to rip off the sacred bones design scheme (which i really love), at least do it well!

jonathan - stl, Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

ripoff Sacred Bones serifs + some Cyrillic lorem ipsum + some 1994-bad-sci-fi-book-cover graphics + giant in-class notebook doodle-looking thing = a mess and I like it

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Tim. The BRAIDS reference was not accidental.

Visions is getting a 4AD release in the rest of the world, but Grimes and BRAIDS and Blue Hawaii a couple of other bands in the same general aesthetic universe were all on the same local label for a few years based out of Montreal.

A bunch of their early stuff is available for download by donation at the Arbutus website, including Geidi Primes and Halfaxa, the first two Grimes albums, and Blue Hawaii's Blooming Summer.

Not that that necessarily implies that they sound *the same* but their music is definitely in conversation with each other.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

And 'Skin' continues to be the standout for me - the first Grimes track that's hit me emotionally.

(That's not a backhanded compliment - I love the rest of her stuff, but Skin really gets to me.)

Other standouts: Infinite <3 without fulfillment, Genesis, Oblivion, Vowels = space and time, Be a Body (侘寂). Possibly Nightmusic.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

thanks for the links and suggestions, alex!

tmi but (Z S), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Of the first two Grimes album, I think Halfaxa is a bit more like this one - it's the clear transition to the kind of thing she's doing now, but I love Geidi Primes - it's a little less cohesive, but there's a lot of cool stuff going on.

The Blue Hawaii tape was one of my favourite albums of 2010 - the standout is 'Blue Gowns'. Blue Hawaii's vocalist = the lead vocalist from BRAIDS which should help determine if it's your thing or if you should steer clear - (aka this is a warning for Lex)

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Geidi Primes cover is also really lovely:

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Halfaxa got another similar weird "skull" motif cover everywhere else, but in Canada we got a photo negative of a topless woman with a bunch of purple.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

#!

Just found this - apparently there was a re-release of 'Halfaxa' with this track tossed in the middle of it and I never found out? This is lovely.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

laurel halo did an awesome remix of that track

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

And naturally it's not available anywhere but Europe. Dammit. (The Original. Not the Remix)

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to rip off the sacred bones design scheme

well, it does "rip off" the sacred bones design scheme (general layout, fonts), but also pushes beyond it in interesting ways. and the drawing is wonderful. one of my favorite album covers of the year so far.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Skin is killing me. Be a Body (侘寂) too. all of them really.

I think the album really shows post-everything/Internet music doesn't have to just be some senseless exercise in referencing. like there's the Mr. Bungle/Girl Talk-style, 'yo look what just threw in' approach, but it can be done more selectively. like anything is available, but then you can pick out a finite set of elements with more purpose. this feels really cohesive and harmonious to me, like there's a logic to the aesthetic system she creates, and real emotional resonance (really gets to me actually). could probably work out some cultural meaning in this beyond just 'hey post-modernism waka waka'

Chris S, Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

cf julianna barwick who hooked me straight away, and gazelle twin whose music i absolutely adore sinking into. grimes has no gravitas.

― if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:15 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The (excellent) Frankie Rose album is much more in Julianna Barwick territory than this is, IMO.

Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

She comes across as tremendously likable in the p4k interview I think - love how she invokes all this hi falutin stuff almost inevitably to have a go at herself, and she seems to anticipate a lot of the criticisms that people might want to throw at her without seeming like that's what she set out to do.

Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Boucher, I mean.

Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Smoke weed, listen to Mariah Carey. Hilarious, and awesome.

MikoMcha, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

she seems like an excellent person! but i'm not hearing anything compelling in her music.

lex pretend, Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Frankie Rose is a vocalist, songwriter and musician living in Brooklyn, NY. She was formerly an original member of acclaimed garage rock acts Crystal Stilts, Dum Dum Girls, and the Vivian Girls.[1]

erm i'll stick with julianna barwick thanks :o

lex pretend, Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

her background really does not inform the new album at all

call all destroyer, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha lex how do you ever manage to listen to gang gang dance without vomiting everywhere.

Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

i carefully avoid finding out information about them that might turn me off.

no, if i google a new act and p4k AND stereogum are on the first page of results then i consider that a sign. dunno what the fuck "brooklyn vegan" is but with a name like that it can't be a good thing.

lex pretend, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

rofl

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

man i wish i could not know what brooklyn vegan is

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

So obsessed with this album. Like I start to get really, really excited when I hear the piano-based second chorus in "Genesis" and that feeling doesn't really dissipate for the rest of the album.

Tim F, Monday, 20 February 2012 10:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

genesis was played yesterday morning on 6 music.

having seen the album artwork i was very pleasantly surprised as it was not what i expected at all.

sounded ace.

mark e, Monday, 20 February 2012 10:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

glad to see other people liking this so much. was kinda surprised to see some people so meh on it tbh (I mean yeah different strokes - but this is easily turning out to be album of the year so far for me)

Chris S, Monday, 20 February 2012 11:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

To be fair "Genesis" is by far the most cute tune on the album, there are some darker bits that go halfway to matching the cover.

Though in some ways gothstep feels so prevalent as the default move for artsy electro chicks that there's something unexpectedly refreshing-feeling about the combination of eerieness and intermittent cutesiness on Visions.

Tim F, Monday, 20 February 2012 12:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's weird that none of the reviews i've read have mentioned 'oblivion', when that seems like the obvious 'hit'

40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

what a tale!

Number None, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

god, "Circumambient" just sent me into a spazz. awesome.

tmi but (Z S), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 00:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is a strange record, paper-thin vocals, barely competent use of a drum machine, and yet it's strangely beguiling. A lot of it's in the synths that hold the whole thing together, like she's found a really lovely ambient techno album from the early 90s and worked over the top of it.

grimes has no gravitas.

But she's not aiming for it. One of the things I like about this record is that it isn't constantly doing the glowery face.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

the entire thing is paper thin. i thought i'd like it! i gave it several tries! NOTHING STICKS. i have no idea what you're all hearing.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

does this sound like the blow?

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol the first 30 seconds of "Infinite Love Without Fulfillment" made me go "this is what Zooey Deschanel's electro side project would sound like"

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

i should probably go ahead and start a gazelle twin thread because it pisses me off every time i see this get attention instead

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Genesis" sounds like it really wants to be J-Pop

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually I guess this entire album really wants to be J-Pop by way of Sweden? that's the vibe I am getting from the first 3 songs

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is a strange record, paper-thin vocals, barely competent use of a drum machine

i have to vigorously disagree about her drum machines. the parts aren't incredibly complicated but i wasn't joking about the spaz-session that circumambient provoked last night. i seriously lost my shit, it was weird. part of that might be because i'm a drummer with a bit of a improv background, so when i hear her drums i also hear all the parts that i'm playing on top of and around the beats - it sounds fine its own, but it's the imagined space that sends me into a fit.

anyway, possibly someone else will understand what i'm trying and failing to express.

tmi but (Z S), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

"the drum machines are good because the way that i imagine playing over the top of them in my head is good" = i'm a fucking idiot

tmi but (Z S), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's so strange that Lex and I are having such opposite reactions to this and Gazelle Twin, like some bizarro inverse world. Because I find GT so nothingy and paper thin and nothing to latch on to, while Grimes sends me to a happy place. But their music is nothing like one another, so I do not understand that "why would you listen to this when there is that?" comparison. At all.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like both Gazelle Twin and Grimes, but then again I have a place for both Fever Ray and, idunno, Stacey Q, in my collection

Mentioned it elsewhere, but listening to Grimes is like looking over the shoulder of a prodigy drawing with charcoal on paper for the first time. Formal art training & oil paints would likely just overwhelm the spontaneity, ease (thinness?) which are the present appeal.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes, that's the thing, the spontaneity, the shooting off in unexpected angles, the excited jumble of it all - the fact that she *seems* so excited by everything still, like the music is just rolling out of her in a mad rush.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

i should probably go ahead and start a gazelle twin thread because it pisses me off every time i see this get attention instead

― lex pretend, Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:56 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lex, is this going to be the album that you started off enjoying/appreciating aspects of but not falling in love with but which is close enough to things you love that by December you will be hating it and yelling at us all for voting for it? A la 'Young Galaxy' or whatever?

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's one every year.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think if no one paid any attention to Grimes, he would probably come round on it, or at least ignore it. But the fact that she's now getting attention from P4k and the NME and all that means that we're all sheep for liking her, even those of us who have been listening since you and Owen were raving about her. Or something.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, I have it in my heart to love plenty of artists all at the same time, and hand out attention as I see fit. But I don't have it in my heart to hand out attention to an artist like Gazelle Twin if I just. don't. like. them. This "why are you listening to this instead of that?" game with not comparable artists is just stupid.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think i'm comparing grimes and gazelle twin b/c i discovered them in the same place at the same time - your knifelike thread on the sandbox WCC. i didn't fully get grimes then but i assumed i'd come round but her music leaves no impression on me despite trying several times and yes SUDDENLY everyone is talking about her and that is annoying, if that hadn't happened i would've likely forgotten she existed.

did anyone vote for young galaxy? i was quite pleased that seemed to have been forgotten by EOY time. bad album.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the rhythm programming on this is excellent actually. A little bit rough-sounding but not actually rough in the sense of lacking nuance or finesse - basically this is just because Grimes is not observing the post-dubstep/minimal orthodoxy of hyper-clipped drum hits. I think she likes the slightly-degraded texture of fuller electronic drums.

Aphex Twin's "Xtal" is the tune I would point to as the past-masterpiece which I think most obviously sets out the stylistic framework that Grimes mostly works in here, that slightly grainy quality deliberately deployed to suggest a more human form of transcendence.

But the other thing to note is how sensitively transformations and transitions in the rhythms are deployed. This can be more obvious, like the beat switch-ups in "Genesis", or more subtle, like the way in which the ever-present 4X4 kickdrum behind "Nightmusic" rises and falls in prominence so that that lilting humanness she ordinarily goes for becomes subsumed within pounding mechanised mindlessness.

The only actual moment on the album that strikes me as suggesting a lack of programming skill and finesse is the synth loop on "Oblivion" which has an awkwardly-joined-together bit which throws out the groove slightly. This might have been deliberate but I suspect is not - it's too close to being right to come across as intentionally wrong.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

and it's not just here obv but it's totally that thing AGAIN where i rave about an artist and everyone carefully looks in the other direction and ignores it, but as soon as p4k hand out a best fucking new fucking music or whatever it is EVERYONE I KNOW rushes off to hear it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

...

you could solve that by pitching pieces to Pitchfork

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait which artist is that

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

t's totally that thing AGAIN where i rave about an artist and everyone carefully looks in the other direction and ignores it

maybe it's because you constantly phrase this as "UGH YOU LIKE THEM? WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ___?" it's pretty annoying and based on this weird concept that one band/artist can displace another band/artist.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

like people can listen to grimes AND gazelle twin

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyways based on one listen the grimes album is nice enough but i don't really get what's special about it. i liked it enough i'll listen to it more though.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aphex Twin's "Xtal" is the tune I would point to as the past-masterpiece which I think most obviously sets out the stylistic framework that Grimes mostly works in here, that slightly grainy quality deliberately deployed to suggest a more human form of transcendence.

This is why she is such such such WCC-bait.

Alex, you saw me getting frustrated last year when no one was paying attention to Barbara Panther because no ILX bigwigs or P4k writers were repping for her, and she still placed in the EOY poll due to slow and steady campaigning.

And like I said, lots of us didn't hear about her from P4k, we heard about her from the Canadian contingent - Alex in Montreal and Owen P! I will listen to almost anything that those two agree on!

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I listened to this before the pitchfork review but was pretty underwhelemed for the first listen and put it away for two weeks. Then came back to it and was suddenly in love (this was still before the pitchfork review though).

Lex I think that you attribute too much power to your enemies. A BNM on pitchfork is often reflective of where public opinion is going, rather than causal.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

and it's not just here obv but it's totally that thing AGAIN where i rave about an artist and everyone carefully looks in the other direction and ignores it, but as soon as p4k hand out a best fucking new fucking music or whatever it is EVERYONE I KNOW rushes off to hear it

― lex pretend, Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean, I will cop to not having heard Gazelle Twin yet and I will get on that, but generally I think most people HERE at least (if you're mad about the universe as a whole I can't do much about that) take your recommendations as seriously as P4K's or mine or whoevers (if not moreso).

It's been a couple of years since a BNM at p4k made me check out something I wasn't already inclined to check for, but a rave from you about Nikkiya or Brianna or Jade Alston or whoever will make me sit up and pay attention. Just FYI.

Also, I meant to playfully rib, not start another pile-on about lex's approach to exhorting people to listen to music. Maybe that's not entirely possible these days. But it was light-hearted in intent, so maybe we can lay off and just talk about Grimes. Cool? Cool.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

That said, I also voted for Young Galaxy, so maybe I'm persona non grata.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

well the nikkiya and gazelle twin threads i started have both died swift deaths so obviously not

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty much every artist i rep for who isn't an actual megastar already gets zero traction

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

The gazelle twin thread you started one hour ago.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe you just have shitty taste in music?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol i can honestly say go out of my way to not listen to anything lex rides for until i hear someone else praising it

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I obviously do go out of my way to check out lex recommendations, but the "stop listening to this, listen to that instead" approach from anyone makes me want to resist stubbornly. This is a man thing I think. I try to remind myself of that when I occasionally indulge in the same approach.

However I do want to listen to gazelle twin anyway because I was looking at Glenn McDonald's blog the other night and he made it like his number 2 for 2011, and I am endlessly intrigued by Glenn's taste in music.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I obviously do go out of my way to check out lex recommendations, but the "stop listening to this, listen to that instead" approach from anyone makes me want to resist stubbornly.

every other approach gets even less attention

go fuck yourself gr80

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

this thread has turned into a therapy sesh, sorta weird

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

lex you're an unsympathetic crybaby

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

man i just want to talk about grimes

but my two cents is who gives a shit what anyone else listens to

tmi but (Z S), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well lex I've tried that approach before, and my sense is that it tends to make poeple dig in to their existing position out of defensiveness.

Perhaps mostly because people are only talking about something positively if they already like it, so if you claim that they've been blinded by false prophets you have to convince them that they're listening wrong.

And if there's one thing that is almost impossible to get people to admit to, it's that they're listening wrong.

Anyway I'm interested to know who (apart from gazelle twin, and again you started the thread one hour ago) you think people haven't picked up on. Nikkiya doesn't seem like a good example - the thread suggests that lots of people loved "When I Was High" and then found the mixtape a bit of a mixed bag or just less compelling throughout than the one song would imply. But I don't think you can claim that no-one followed your lead in listening to it. And concomitantly I don't think you can equate "people had a different reaction to this album" with "no one listens to me."

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Versus the ILX poll threads where about every fourth post was "I found this tune through Lex. Thanks Lex!"

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Both albums are good, the only reason they're being compared at all is because they both popped up in the Knifelike thread but they're really nothing like one another at all. I can see the Gazelle Twin/Fever Ray connection but Grimes doesn't remind me of anything else on that thread.

Hah also Tim I totally thought that one song reminded me of 'Tha' rather than 'Xtal' but there's definitely an Air France playing around with Selected Ambient Works 1 vibe to a lot of this.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

The "Knifelike" thread was really just "recommend stuff that WCC would like" TBH I don't think there was much of a unifying theme at all in the end.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Anyway I'm interested to know who (apart from gazelle twin, and again you started the thread one hour ago) you think people haven't picked up on

no point if people are gonna avoid them if i say. i mean, it's stuff i've written about and posted about and tweeted about and linked to videos on facebook etc already anyway but i don't think there's any point in me starting threads really

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's definitely an Air France playing around with Selected Ambient Works 1 vibe to a lot of this.

This is a very neat description I think.

Grimes doesn't remind me of anything else on that thread.

I think my "in" with Grimes was when I realised that this is so different from any notion in my head of an emerging gothstep hegemony.

There's nothing wrong with that sound (if it can be called a "sound" at all) but there's a sense of a rising tide sinking all ships in terms of my enthusiasm levels for checking out Austra / Emika / Zola Jesus / Gazelle Twin etc. Which is unfair both in terms of the quality of some of those artists and their internal differences; I guess that's the tyranny of critical framing at work.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think my "in" with Grimes was when I realised that this is so different from any notion in my head of an emerging gothstep hegemony.

otm, for me as well

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

this stuff is pretty cool

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's stuff i've written about and posted about and tweeted about and linked to videos on facebook etc already anyway but i don't think there's any point in me starting threads really

so there's this undefined "stuff" that you feel has not been taken up despite the fact that you've tweeted about it and linked to vides on facebook and made the odd post, and you have been so upset about this that you have first been motivated to lash out at people listening to the wrong music, and then subsequently sunk into a black pit of despondency over your inability to effectively communicate the greatness of music to others.

my god lex, if I applied this standard I would have slashed my wrists long ago. Heaps of my threads are automatic tumbleweed. But the fact that even some motivate other people to check out music I like seems more remarkable to me than the fact that others are ignored.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

emika is nothing like the others?! she's far closer to, idk, subeena or someone, except with songs rather than tracks. but given the minimal attention she and gazelle twin got, i have no idea what you're talking about re: tyranny of critical framing. if only they'd been framed critically at all.

austra never transcended their knifelikeness for me (also released their album in the summer). i guess i like zola jesus when i happen to hear her but i can never remember to have a real opinion or indeed remember she exists when i'm not.

i get that grimes is trying to be more playful and more pop but could she at least write some hooks if that's gonna be the case and not just replace the "goth" affect with "twee". also, enunciate. goths can get away with not doing that but few others.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy (but don't love) the gazelle twin album. listening to "genesis" right now and, like most other grimes track i've heard, i feel like i could love this were it not for that voice

Prince Rebus (donna rouge), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

does grimes, like adele, win a lot of people over b/c she seems like a really cool girl? the wkiw effect?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

adele seems like a really cool girl?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

that is what a lot of people seem to think, i didn't say i agreed

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

iirc, lex hates adele because she is fat

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

emika is nothing like the others?! she's far closer to, idk, subeena or someone, except with songs rather than tracks. but given the minimal attention she and gazelle twin got, i have no idea what you're talking about re: tyranny of critical framing. if only they'd been framed critically at all.

Read my post again. The critical framing I was talking about was my own.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would kick it w/ adele

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's nothing wrong with that sound (if it can be called a "sound" at all) but there's a sense of a rising tide sinking all ships in terms of my enthusiasm levels for checking out Austra / Emika / Zola Jesus / Gazelle Twin etc. Which is unfair both in terms of the quality of some of those artists and their internal differences; I guess that's the tyranny of critical framing at work.

Dude, you are sinking dangerously into "Women In Music Special!" with this post here, and if you were talking about the exact male equivalents of the music, you would be quite quick to assign them to different electronic music sub genres.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

(sigh) read my post again!

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked this Grimes album! I give it five out of five fives.

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

TO BE VERY CLEAR:

My "in" with Grimes was realising how unfair it had been of me to equate her with all of these other artists who probably don't sound much alike except in terms of how I've framed them in my head!

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

LOL this always happens: any time I admit to having had a wrongheaded opinion and then try to self-critique it people feel the need to point out to me how wrong I was.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

she at least ... enunciate

As far as I can tell, its just the "Oh baby I ..." refrains taken from 90s R&B that are in English. Most of vocals are pure glossolalia.

Can't find the mid-2011 Grimes interview where she pretty upfront about not caring about the lyrical content at all, as she just likes the sound that emerge.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

^sorry bout the singular/plural errors there. I type correctly, then suffer dyslexia editing backwards.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

where she pretty upfront about not caring about the lyrical content at all, as she just likes the sound that emerge.

2012 shockah

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grimes' vocal approach here reminds me of Heaven or Las Vegas, not ostentatious glossolalia but instead walking a borderline between lyrical sense and aural sensation.

I can't agree with the allegation of a lack of hooks, the more I listen the more hook-filled (even overloaded with hooks and melodic motifs) the songs seem.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

iirc, lex hates adele because she is fat

when have i ever said anything even approaching this? i feel like people must literally imagine my posts instead of reading them sometimes

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm pretty sure jon is just trolling you, which is funny cuz when people do it to him he "leaves" ilx in a huff

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I distinctly remember some thread where there was discussion of an article in which Adele sort of defended her lifestyle and talked about being okay with her body and lex posted something about how she shouldn't be satisfied with being lazy or something to that effect. I can't find it now and I don't really feel like putting in the effort required to dig it up.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not trolling, but probably overstating what lex said in that particular thread.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess this entire album really wants to be J-Pop by way of Sweden?

is anyone else doing this? because that sounds like a genre I could obsess over for a while.

fffv, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 01:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty much every artist i rep for who isn't an actual megastar already gets zero traction

You were ranked number one in the ILX hivemind section of the EOY Trax poll iirc. fwiw I tend to give everything I see you rep for at least one go-through. I'm not going to absorb it all properly, but that's just life. I think a lot of people here respect your opinion about certain types of music. It's all good.

does grimes, like adele, win a lot of people over b/c she seems like a really cool girl? the wkiw effect?

i wnkiw her tbh. I read that she was kicked out of college for not attending classes for a year, which annoyed me for whatever reason when combined with her failed Mississippi River adventure. seems like the kind of person I would actively avoid.

encarta it (Gukbe), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 07:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

stay in school if you want to kiw gukbe folks

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the rhythm programming on this is excellent actually. A little bit rough-sounding but not actually rough in the sense of lacking nuance or finesse - basically this is just because Grimes is not observing the post-dubstep/minimal orthodoxy of hyper-clipped drum hits. I think she likes the slightly-degraded texture of fuller electronic drums.

dudes, there are garageband presets all over this record (synths too). not that that's inherently a bad thing - it's a tool like anything else, she's making choices, etc. but out of all the reasons to listen to this record (the vocals, the writing, personality), sound design is at the bottom of the list.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

but out of all the reasons to listen to this record (the vocals, the writing, personality), sound design is at the bottom of the list.

i dunno about that. unique sound sources /= good sound design.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Having seen that Grimes video where she plays the black keys exclusively, I'm kinda curious whether most/all of her tunes are in C♭ major or A♭ minor (the black key diatonic scales).

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

using presets or garageband is fine, and you can make it your own, i just don't think the record sounds that interesting.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't really care about where the sounds come from.

It's not like most house beats or dubstep beats or etc sound unique.

Tim F, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh hey everyone what did I miss

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

ILX tearing itself apart over a 6/10 album

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Unsurprising.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's not like most house beats or dubstep beats or etc sound unique.

sure (except for the ones that do). i'd just be surprised if the beats & sounds were the reason someone was attracted to this record.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

imo the reason to be attracted to this album is how she uses her voice as a background sound effect/adornment

otoh a reason to be repelled from this album is the interminable cooing babydoll voice she puts on seemingly through 500% of it

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i love when she goes into that super-high deniece williams falsetto

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

the cooing babydoll shit didn't repel me as much as i thought it would but it's definitely a reason that i don't think she'll ever connect with me properly

lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

her falsetto is astonishing, which really makes the cooing that much more irritating to me

it's like all of those Mariah singles with that fucking grating whisper voice where you're like "gtfo with that and start singing"

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know right

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha basically it's the inverse of the tUnE-yArDs album

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Having seen that Grimes video where she plays the black keys exclusively, I'm kinda curious whether most/all of her tunes are in C♭ major or A♭ minor (the black key diatonic scales).

smh

real life is no dave cool (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://stereogum.com/962491/deconstructing-grimes/news/

julianne escobedo shepherd goes innnnn

and i'm so glad she did cuz she articulates a lot of the reasons i can't connect w/grimes better than i could

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, that's a good piece, and like the author, i'm finding the album as a whole pretty unrewarding. i still enjoy the songs that initially attracted me, especially "oblivion" and "be a body", but most of the rest drift past in a gauzy blur. i don't get any clear sense of the performer's identity, and je shepherd otm in that roboticism is only interesting when it has something human to catch in its gears.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would disagree with the article's contention that Grimes tries to sound less human than her analogues and contemporaries.

A different kind of humanness perhaps.

Like, this sounds like it would be true (and as a skewering of broad brush stroke positive crit probably is true):

"Grimes seems bent on negating her humanness and operating from robot zone, herself. Yet others who’ve embarked on such pursuits — Bjork, for example — have recognized the paradoxical intertwining between nature’s ether and that of the web. Grimes’ music feels like it’s operating in a vacuum, and while internet-referencing internet music is zeitgeistical, eventually the vacuum’s gonna run out of air."

But it misrepresents or ignores the strong sense of humanness that runs through a lot of these tracks, especially in the second half (and especially especially "Skin", which is actually going for almost the exact same altered-humanness vibe as Vespertine, albeit with slightly different sonic reference points). To my ears Boucher's use of a variety of different voices is intended precisely to capture the multivalency (and the internal conflictedness, and the being-with-yourself) of human experience.

As is often the case with such articles this feels like a good, targeted attack on Grimes as she is described in tumblrs and less so w/r/t what Grimes' music actually does.

In this regard the parallels (or inverted-parallels... is there a word for that?) with Lana Del Ray are interesting.

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

But it misrepresents or ignores the strong sense of humanness that runs through a lot of these tracks, especially in the second half (and especially especially "Skin", which is actually going for almost the exact same altered-humanness vibe as Vespertine, albeit with slightly different sonic reference points). To my ears Boucher's use of a variety of different voices is intended precisely to capture the multivalency (and the internal conflictedness, and the being-with-yourself) of human experience.

yeah, but a "strong sense of humanness" isn't something that exists outside our varying perceptions of it. what you hear as "human experience", i hear as freeze-dried cotton candy: lovely, but frustratingly insubstantial.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Too often when I read these kind of "take-down" pieces I find them utterly flimsy and gauzy, and directed not at the artists themselves, but this take-down of the endless reflecting chamber of blog/tumblr posts, and given that I hardly engage with that at all, it is less than meaningless to me. I don't listen to blogs. I want to tell them to get off the internet and engage with something that isn't endless critculure.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't hear a robot-ness to her voice at all. a transbody mysticism that isn't sensual enough for some maybe... but I think there's still a warmth there, an assuring Platonic kindness.

I think the article probably has a bias for a brand of feminism that favors sexuality-as-power, and maybe Grimes is just more of a mystic, isn't trying to progress through a combative politics but through some other means

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

JES's criticisms along the lines of thin/charmless/unemotional/infantilised are the ones that ring true for me - yeah this is personal preference to an extent, i much prefer (female? alt?) artists to reach out and grab me and make me feel like i have no choice but to listen; or if they're introverted, i tend to really enjoy the ones that are very still and meditative; and grimes fits neither of those descriptions. but i can't find anything else in there at all - THIN is exactly it, and it doesn't register emotionally at all.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, but a "strong sense of humanness" isn't something that exists outside our varying perceptions of it. what you hear as "human experience", i hear as freeze-dried cotton candy: lovely, but frustratingly insubstantial.

sure but if that's the case then the real argumentative thrust of the article kind of falls over beyond the more limited (and hence perfectly legitimate, though admittedly difficult to build a hit-baiting "takedown" around) claims you and lex are making w/r/t not personally being into the sound of her voice and not being able to forge an emotional connection with it.

That's different to saying "Grimes' problem is that she fetishises the robot and forgets to be human in the process."

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like JES a ton, but that article was full of strawmen. tim f otm.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want to tell them to get off the internet and engage with something that isn't endless critculure.

ironically this is the same thing JES is telling grimes to do

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

that jes thing is really well written but i had to stop after she tried to apply grimes' opinion about mariah carey to grimes' own artistic pursuits

feels like a disingenuous, forced connection

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

i say that as someone who initially held lex's view of the record and then realized last week that it is the gothy freestyle record i have always deserved

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are so many reasons one could dislike Grimes. I was excited to see them articulated, but this piece was just bizarrely off base. This part in particular:

Grimes seems bent on negating her humanness and operating from robot zone, herself.

Really? She sounds like a robot? She negates her humanness? You might not like her personality, but how can you accuse her of not having one? If anything, I thought people found her personality overbearing.

Yet others who’ve embarked on such pursuits — Bjork, for example — have recognized the paradoxical intertwining between nature’s ether and that of the web. Grimes’ music feels like it’s operating in a vacuum, and while internet-referencing internet music is zeitgeistical, eventually the vacuum’s gonna run out of air.

Come again?

Of course, Grimes’ cyborg unicorn stance is an updated ideal on the continuum of the asexuality that a certain strain of indie rock values, up to and including twee.

In what world does this album lack sexuality? Grimes dwells constantly on physical contact ("Skin," "Be A Body"). And she sings in orgasmic squeals.

Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah i also stopped reading because of the word "zeitgeistical"

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grimes has a host of recent-vintage contemporaries who approach their music with a similar concept, like Lykke Li and Fever Ray and Bat For Lashes and even fellow blog star Charli XCX, all of whom do similarly conceptualized music but tap into their womanhood and sexuality as a source of power, some might say THE DARK ARTS OF WOMANNESS.

This is just terrible writing and impossible to take seriously.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

My problem with it is that the writer fails to recognize the paradoxical intertwining between nature’s ether and that of the web, unlike others who've embarked on such pursuits.

Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

And she sings in orgasmic squeals.

lot of squealing on this album, not a moment of it sounds "orgasmic", thankfully

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

and her dwelling on the physical never actually reads as physical. upthread enya comparisons otm. the language might suggest physicality, but the music and performance deny this. closest thing to a body here is the hiccup in the "oblivion" loop.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think there may be some yearning for the physical, but as far as its presence it's kind of floating as a figment within, or sharing the same space with a more spectral reality. like how people live lives with one foot in the physical and one foot in this non-place/space/everywhere which all kind of shares the same space (and in the case of the online, your personality/humanness kind of floats there as an ethereal presence - I think her voice works in the music like this - liquified humanity floating in a digital everyspace)

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorry, that could have been written more clearly (a comma between 'everywhere' and 'which' would help)... just waking up here.

basically just meaning to say there that her human presence registers the way personality registers online, there's still a human presence hovering there but some of the things that come with physical interaction/presence are gone or diminished. although I personally still feel her music reflects the balance, or coexistence, of online and offline life, culture and humanity seeping into online space

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

strongly resistant of the temptation to read this album as being "about" online identity, even if that's the artist's explicit intent. just don't see this theme convincingly or compellingly developed in the music/lyrics themselves, and though it's an interesting lens to try on, it could apply equally well to almost any electronic/low affect/alienated/disembodied music.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's not that I see it as being directly about online identity, as much as it's just coming from that reality. I get this picture of a faint, slightly bewildered humanity still trying to connect and find ways to live out its humanness in a rotating topology of some Information Sublime

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Chris S's posts are great; and I think they speak to how substantial Boucher's songwriting is, even if she downplays its importance

Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Totally agree with contenderizer, too. These songs aren't about online identity. That's just lazy writers' way of framing them based on something cool she said in an interview once

Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, "post-internet" is a cool way of contextualizing these songs, but if that's your only takeaway from them, you need to do less reading and more listening

Evan R, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't really feel like grimes succeeds in conveying what her songs are "about" at all - not that she should have to but it's why they feel somewhat thin and empty to me. don't get a sense of physicality or otherwise, it doesn't evoke much of anything, certainly nothing about identity let alone post-internet identity.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i certainly don't need it be about anything, beyond an interesting voice & some good ideas

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

i agree that the whole "post-tumblr" thing is ridiculous, but it's just press copy, doesn't affect how i hear the music

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

well demanding a song be "about" "something" "specific" is ridiculous yeah, but music should certainly evoke something, put something in mind, even if it's just an image or colour or whatever, and that's what i don't get from grimes music - it's flat, it's literally just sound.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbh I totally experience all those things in the music - post-internet identity (in her presence and in the flow of influences, and stuff about 'being a body' etc in the face of all this). the slight thinness, 'emptiness' to her voice (although it has a lot of substance/emotional resonance for me, but there is certainly a faintness/ethereal quality) is a part of this too - to my experience of it at least

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

My sense of this album is that its intimacy feels internalised, as if Boucher is singing to herself (I'm using "to" in a strong sense here - like she's addressing herself) and the listener is posited as the part of her being sung to.

My reaction may be slightly overdetermined by how much she reminds me of Happy Rhodes in electronic mode - both vocally (with the high portion of Happy's register anyway) and musically, but also thematically - there's a kind of dasein vibe at work, which is maybe why so many of the songs also seem to be about the creative process itself, music about its own making (and perhaps as a general rule if you're not really enamoured of a musician's creative process then any oblique odes to it will seem to be about "nothing).

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

My sense of this album is that its intimacy feels internalised, as if Boucher is singing to herself (I'm using "to" in a strong sense here - like she's addressing herself) and the listener is posited as the part of her being sung to.

...there's a kind of dasein vibe at work, which is maybe why so many of the songs also seem to be about the creative process itself, music about its own making

again, those are intriguing concepts, but i don't think they're strongly present in grimes' music/lyrics - at least no more so than in lots of other music. i mean, "dasein vibe" suggests so much, but specifically attaches to so little. grimes' songs tend to be less about doing than being, but that's as far as i can follow that train of thought wr2 what i actually hear here.

intimacy is a strange and loaded word in any context. i've realized recently that the quality i like best in several of the 2011 albums i was initially exposed to in the year-end poll thread is a quality of intense intimacy (referring primarily to colin stetson's new history warfare 2, julia holter's tragedy, king creosote & john hopkins' diamond mine and nicholas jaar's space is only noise). there's something a bit sickly and even oppressive about that kind of intimacy, an unfiltered, unmediated engagement that verges on oversharing. when you're close enough to hear the tongue moving in someone's mouth, see the contractions and dilations of their pupils, you might be too close for comfort. i don't get that sense at all from grimes, and therefore it's hard for me to think of her music as particularly "intimate". which perhaps does raise questions about what intimacy might be in a dephysicalized, delocated context, but i don't think this album really addresses them.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's interesting, Tim - it brings to mind the stuff she's said about wanting the be both the producer and the Star... the producer being a traditionally male role and the Star kind of being the inheritance of the classical Western role of the woman as object-to-be-seen-under-the-Male-Gaze. like, in John Berger's Ways of Seeing, in his chapter on the Male Gaze and the history of the representation of women in art, he describes how within women in this context, there can be an internal male judge viewing themselves as they are seen from without, and from this every action is performed with understanding that men are always seeing and rating.

and Boucher demonstrates that here, creating and performing herself, to herself (a viewership/listenership that also symbolizes the outside listener/viewer), but in taking more charge of the producer role and exposing the creative process she's kind of collapsing that binary

and back to the Internet again, it also reminds me of the way the Net makes people realize they're always performing in a sense, so they learn to take control of both the process of self-creation and self-display (through Facebook profiles, twitter, everwhere). her self-conscious performing herself into being (but earnestly so, it doesn't feel like the gestures made are artificial) is like this gender-neutral fusion of the Gainsbourg and Birkin/Phil and Ronnie Spector/Hazlewood and Sinatra... so in other words it's a Lana Del Rey visibly and honestly in charge of her own production/realization

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

so in other words it's a Lana Del Rey visibly and honestly in charge of her own production/realization

or lady gaga or any other woman who produces the music that she is seen to perform

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

sure

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a thing I'm seeing a lot lately

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

the female producer-and-performer is not that rare

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

intimacy is a strange and loaded word in any context. i've realized recently that the quality i like best in several of the 2011 albums i was initially exposed to in the year-end poll thread is a quality of intense intimacy (referring primarily to colin stetson's new history warfare 2, julia holter's tragedy, king creosote & john hopkins' diamond mine and nicholas jaar's space is only noise). there's something a bit sickly and even oppressive about that kind of intimacy, an unfiltered, unmediated engagement that verges on oversharing. when you're close enough to hear the tongue moving in someone's mouth, see the contractions and dilations of their pupils, you might be too close for comfort. i don't get that sense at all from grimes, and therefore it's hard for me to think of her music as particularly "intimate". which perhaps does raise questions about what intimacy might be in a dephysicalized, delocated context, but i don't think this album really addresses them.

I find the Holter and Jaar albums much less intimate than this, though I can sort of see what it is and them that you find intimate. With Jaar in particular the intimacy strikes me as a byproduct of the music being so insubstantial that it cannot form an existence separate to the listener (and I love most of Jaar's non-album work).

I think all this goes towards how a lot of the qualities we're arguing over whether Grimes does or does not have are qualities which do not exist in themselves but only by virtue of the relationship struck between the music and the listener - humanness, intimacy, corporeality/physicality etc.

It's a trite truism obv but I think that we'll basically keep on digging in our trench positions on this point all governed by whether we "click" with the album in the first place.

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

lex - yeah, definetely not, even the whole process of beautication is self-production for performance, it's as old as gender constructions, but I'd say there's maybe more of an emphasis on an exploration of the production side, and its technique, with Grimes and artists like her. but maybe not (will need to make a list I think)

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

a lot of the qualities we're arguing over whether Grimes does or does not have are qualities which do not exist in themselves but only by virtue of the relationship struck between the music and the listener - humanness, intimacy, corporeality/physicality etc.

that's a good point, and it perhaps raises questions about how music can imply things about the nature of that relationship. maybe one of the things that's interesting about grimes' "singing to myself" approach is that the result doesn't really define the space in question, leaving listeners to decide for themselves where they stand in relation to the music and the place the artist establishes for herself within it. thus you can construct it as intimate or distanced, depending on your proclivities. maybe this fluidity also enhances the sense that the music reflects identity on the internet.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

completely disagree about nicolas jaar's music being insubstantial, even on the slighter-in-comparison album - each track has a deceptively solid foundation, a bassline or a groove or a hook that works as the starting point for him to weave his magic.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

The female producer-and-performer is not rare, but at the same time to simplify massively it exists along a continuum where one side of the equation can be emphasised more than the other.

Lady Gaga, for example, seems more invested in performance than production, which is not to say that she does not attend to the latter, but that she produces for the purpose of performance.

If this seems meaningless, compare with, say, a house producer who adds soft diva-esque vocals to her own tracks - while it might be important to her that she does her own vocals, the music itself does not frame the vocals in that matter (and but for our own intermittent

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

That cut off the second half of my post. Let's try again:

The female producer-and-performer is not rare, but at the same time to simplify massively it exists along a continuum where one side of the equation can be emphasised more than the other.

Lady Gaga, for example, seems more invested in performance than production, which is not to say that she does not attend to the latter, but that she produces for the purpose of performance.

If this seems meaningless, compare with, say, a house producer who adds soft diva-esque vocals to her own tracks - while it might be important to her that she does her own vocals, the music itself does not frame the vocals in that manner (and but for our own intermittent creator-fetishism, as listeners it probably wouldn't matter to us who did the vocals). You could say that an artist doing this kind of thing is performing for the purpose of production.

Grimes exists pretty squarely in the center of the continuum, and I think an effect of that position is that the resulting performance of the equation sounds both more self-aware and dialogic (again, this is not unique, but it's only a small subset of female producer-performer work). The fact that she uses multiple voices rather than a single narrative-centric voice only underscores this.

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

good post, spot on I think

Chris S, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grimes exists pretty squarely in the center of the continuum, and I think an effect of that position is that the resulting performance of the equation sounds both more self-aware and dialogic (again, this is not unique, but it's only a small subset of female producer-performer work). The fact that she uses multiple voices rather than a single narrative-centric voice only underscores this.

yeah, that's a good way of describing a certain approach. suppose kd andersson's work in the knife and especially fever ray walks the same line, see also planningtorock et al.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

as far as gaga goes, i've always seen her primarily as a producer, and one of the things she produces (lol pun) is a knowingly prefab pop personality called "lady gaga", so in my view, she's closer to the center than it might seem

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

so, i'll take it there's no point in trying to wade into this thread now huh

the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, what do you think about internet robots who are also producers?

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

daft punk is ok i guess

the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, what do you think about internet robots who are also producers?

you mean like horse_ebooks?

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

as far as gaga goes, i've always seen her primarily as a producer, and one of the things she produces (lol pun) is a knowingly prefab pop personality called "lady gaga", so in my view, she's closer to the center than it might seem

Yes I agree with this which is one reason I felt it necessary to caveat my explanation as a pretty massive simplification - insofar as performance is always a production (of one sort or another) it's actually theoretically dodgy to try to insist on a division between performance and production.

What I'm really getting at is the idea of character in music - and again not in the judgmental sense of "this music has no character" but more the question of whether the music presents a character or characters.

Lana Del Ray and Lady Gaga are both very clear, striking examples of that.

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

New video! I really like this, although I'm not sure why, since it's essentially just four minutes of Grimes looking cute and goofy singing with headphones in various locations.

boxedjoy, Friday, 2 March 2012 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

The "Vanessa" video cost $60, mostly for booze. I believe this one cost at least twice that.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure that the stadium in that video is the one I run a couple times a week at the gym.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 2 March 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like the video, looks like she's having fun.

Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is quite good, not sure what i expected but didn't expect this

good luck Peeta Mellark (Bee OK), Saturday, 3 March 2012 06:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wish there was more love for "Nightmusik", sounds like an update of Cranes
So happy to see so much love for this girl

an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone seen her live? I might try to catch her set at SXSW. Worth going?

Benjamin-, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I seen her live, it was pretty awesome! She certainly knows what she's doing. Good for her with this new video coming out and all. Hope she has a good year!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 5 March 2012 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Me too. I'm excited for her. I saw her at SXSW a couple times last year, she was on tour with Rollie. She cradles the mic between ear and shoulder like a telephone.

an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds like an update of Cranes

This is at least 70% of my love for Grimes

cashmere tears-soaker (Abbbottt), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think that was my first comment on her over in the Sandbox: Cranes with a laptop, which is p much like total and completely WCC-bait.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 5 March 2012 09:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh, the invocation of Cranes makes me want to give this another try; my initial reaction was "nice enough, but not nice enough to seek out"

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Monday, 5 March 2012 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think i much prefer halfaxa to visions, and i really like visions. but stuff like "dream fortress" is just otherworldly

this is my receipt for your receipt (Z S), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like this!

Luomas (admrl), Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

GRIMES IN 2012

GRIMES VS GRIME

Luomas (admrl), Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Reading things like this...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/mar/08/grimes-visions-review

...make me understand why Lex doesn't like Grimes.

But then again reading things like Circumambient, a close runner-up to Oblivion in the standout stakes, sounds like an R&B song with all the money sucked out of it. makes me want to punch indie music criticism in the face.

...I KERNOW BECAUSE YOU DO (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 9 March 2012 11:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I finally managed to d/l this off the 4AD website.

I like it. I was already predisposed to like it, so I'm relieved that I do like it.

It's just odd, that the amount of ink that seems to have been spilled over this record, none of it seems to bear the slightest connection to the music that I am hearing.

Coming around to the idea that reading about music may actually be the worst possible way of discovering music I might like.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 16 March 2012 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've always looked at music criticism, reviews, message boards, etc. as a way of finding and rediscovering music without giving any weight at all to the opinions behind the writing. I kinda sift through the opinions for keywords or phrases that are suited to my taste or warn me that I probably won't be into the music being discussed. The idea that someone can interpret a song, or any art for that matter, and bludgeon everyone else with that interpretation seems pretty dickish.

That said, I hope Grimes isn't dissected into oblivion by fans and critics alike. She's so damn likable, but even better than that she has interesting songs and you can actually dance to some of them. The ideas behind them are what stick out for me.

Cousin Slappy, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

into "oblivion"

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

It was unavoidable. I love that word.

Cousin Slappy, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not tired at 4:30 AM and having a bedroom dance party to Visions. This is what it was made for.

If The xx were 2AM music for when I'm sad, and Claire's first two albums are music for when I want to zone out and drift (in a good way), this one is designed for dancing alone in the dark.

Also, the two Canadian-vinyl-only bonus tracks are pretty darn awesome.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grimes - Life After Death

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grimes - Ambrosia

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

They're the two extra tracks on a 12" vinyl version that cuts a bunch of the rest of the album - 8 tracks total, but two are 'new'.

When you figure out where to slot them into the full length version of the album (I've put Ambrosia before Symphonia IX and Life After Death right before Nightmusic) and tack on the Amazon bonus 'Angel' at the end (and exclude 'Christmas Song', the track what has her brother rapping on it), Visions is a formidable album.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just got this and it's still growing on me, so I'm not sure where it will end up on my scale of 1-10. This does seem a bit more diverse in its influences than typical electropop, with nods to house and R&B among other things. The combination of fairly fast, steady tempos, sing-songy melodies, glitches (or whatever they're called now), and the slightly affectless, introverted vocals remind me a bit of Lali Puna.

o. nate, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Vowels = Space and Time" is so perfect. Especially when the bassline comes in and she's singing little girl-like and then switches to breathy ethereality on the line "'cos boy you could [something something something]... yeah yeah yeah!"

Tim F, Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

people have really complex thoughts about her. i have only heard one song which i thought was slight but nice. i liked her more upon noticing the triforce tattoo on her arm.

teledyldonix, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do like how she uses her voice on this album - I just think she could have a bit more presence.

o. nate, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just saw her live for the first time in a year - holy shit - what a difference. Stage presence to spare, gigantic dance party for an hour and openers Born Gold were damn good too. Miles away from the soft-spoken and slightly-flustered set I saw opening for How to Dress Well. Glad to see the material is finally translating to a live setting really well.

Only complaints: (1) nothing off the first two albums which have basically been declared non-existent, Shakira style, (2) only the uptempo stuff got played. Not sure how 'skin' would have translated live, but wish she'd have tried.

still, amazing. off to afterparty now.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 1 April 2012 04:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

this album is dope

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 April 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually I guess this entire album really wants to be J-Pop by way of Sweden?

― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:01 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

my thoughts exactly -- pretty freaking novel and great IMO

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 April 2012 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

It feels very right to me that you like this J0rdan!

Tim F, Monday, 2 April 2012 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i was sleeping, no excuse

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like certain tracks on this a lot, and like the overall aesthetic, some songs are def not standing with the best ones to me? it feels inconsistent

D-40, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 04:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Srs question how much have you listened to it deej? My experience was first few times I liked a couple of tunes a lot and was not so hot on the others, and then each time I listened the tracks that had blurred past me the first time got more and more distinct, and now my favourite tracks are probably "Vowels = Space & Time" and "Nightmusic" which I would never have said early on.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 04:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah i havent listened to it as much will try to spend some more time i suppose

D-40, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 05:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

the vocals on "vowels = space and time" are so good

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds very r&b to me

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

gtfo no

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, like r&b only way better

xpost

/troll

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's really kinda beautiful & novel imo... it's almost like an entire song of backing vocals

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

novel if you haven't heard many weak-voiced women cooing aimlessly over timid electronic twiddling

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk her voice sounds pretty great on that song

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

one of the things I really like about her is that many of the vocal arrangements/lines in one song are little hooks/songs by themselves.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

novel if you haven't heard many weak-voiced women cooing aimlessly over timid electronic twiddling

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:49 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

*bookmarks post*

r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

if only boucher was a strong-willed women singing the kind of authentic r&b music that critics ignore in this day and age!

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

if only she could write any sort of hook or make any sort of interesting sound

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Her voice is many things. "Weak" is not one of them. I recognise that the theatricalness of her voice may be off-putting to some, but to dismiss that as "weak" is evidence of your bias, not a lack of strength or skill or personality in her technique and performance.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is gonna sound weird, but i almost think visions is like love king, where like every element is its own little hook, one of the reasons i like it a lot

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

and yes i did just compare boucher to terius

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

every element is its own little hook

this is how i hear the record too, which makes lex's comments increasingly obscure to me

anyway looking forward to him dropping into this thread periodically to tell us about how he doesn't like grimes

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

i gave this album way more chances than i usually give albums that i don't enjoy initially, and after all of them i could not recall a single hook, if they existed at all

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

some of my favorite moments on this are the brief seconds when she switches to a recognizably "good" singing voice, amidst all the swirling multitracked chipmunkisms

it's a choice, you know, lex.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's just completely unmemorable to me, and i didn't find it "interesting" enough to even admire from a distance (like with julia holter)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lex, you're allowed not to like a record. But when you continually drop into a thread to tell how much you hate it and we're all stupid for liking it, that is unbelievably tedious. It's not for you. Move on.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is gonna sound weird, but i almost think visions is like love king, where like every element is its own little hook, one of the reasons i like it a lot

― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:57 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

*yanks rope on bus*

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway it's not like lex revived this thread, i did -- it's cool

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's just... It doesn't make me doubt my judgement over Grimes. But it does make me rethink my areas of agreement with Lex's taste, which generally do overlap and have a lot of common ground. Bah stupid meta, will shut up now.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think it's obvious that she has a good, powerful singing voice and this is one of the first recent indie albums i've heard where manipulating the vocals or choosing not to sing 'traditionally' really works for it -- she's not attempting to mask or hide any sort of vocal deficiency, but a lot of times it's like you're trying to reach out and grab these great hooks or melodies that aren't pushed to the forefront... but for like the entire album. again tho i think it works because she can sing.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think there's something narcotic about the album but not in the super obvious way that, idk, jj or the weeknd go for 'narcotic'

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

J0rdan otm. She isn't just setting a superficial mood; the songs penetrate much deeper than that

Evan R, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not saying she *can't* sing, i'm saying the way she chooses to sing doesn't work. there's nothing to latch on to.

i'm pretty much coming in here b/c most people in here are the people i usually talk to all the time and mostly agree with so it's the extra WTF are you hearing in this boring music factor.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

j0rdan otm itt

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's it, Jordan. she's a hugely skilled vocalist and everything she is doing to her voice, the treatments, the odd tonality, seems completely thought out and deliberate. You can dislike what she's doing, but implying she's doing it out of lack of skill rather than choice is just wilfully negative.

So much of that chipmunk voice and baby-cooing seems like a deliberate parody or reducto ad absurdum of the quality of ~Femininity~ and fragility. And guess what - the other woman that really plays with that contrast between pretty-voice delicacy / fragility and chopped up aggressive music is St Vincent, who Lex also hates.

So it's becoming more apparent to me what it that Lex dislikes in both of them. Though obviously I disagree.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

*yanks rope on bus*

Explain, please. You're probably just shaking your head at that comment haha

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm pretty much coming in here b/c most people in here are the people i usually talk to all the time and mostly agree with so it's the extra WTF are you hearing in this boring music factor.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:16 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Except this happens, without fail, 3 or 4 times yearly. People who mostly share your taste will occasionally like things you don't, and berating us for being wrong just makes us all grumpy. We're not the people who are ignoring the things you're loving - we're going nuts about Dawn and Kalenna and everyone else - and we're not going out of our way to try to sell you on things that we know you don't like after you give them an honest shot. I dunno. It just feels like an unproductive conversation, because you're not likely to be convinced, because what a lot of us are valuing here are part of an aesthetic framework that you actively don't like.

Normally, I'm all about back and forth to try to figure out what makes something work for me and not for somebody else, especially when so much of our taste tends to overlap, but we've done this enough times that I already know how the conversation plays out, so why not save yourself the stress and rage and just ignore the thread and we can get excited about Teedra or Jade Alston or Nicki somewhere else without hitting all of our heads against the wall?

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm trying to think of fragile-voiced female singers i love...cassie obv. ashanti too. latter-day mariah when she goes cooey and breathy? stina nordenstam obv! anja garbarek to a limited extent. nordenstam and garbarek can write hooks though.

don't think i ever got round to disliking st vincent's voice specifically due to hating the production so much, but it didn't grab me for sure.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

'Visions' has been a grower for me, as much as I loved it from day one. I was worried that the glossier polish and more 'song'-like songs would eliminate some of her ramshackle charm but there are so many more hooks buried in this - I'm not sure if I agree with rennavate re: 'Love King' but I do think his description is on point wrt the album being a constant stream of mini-hooks that sometimes integrate into songs and sometimes don't.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm curious what j0rdan and Evan and folk would think of her live show. The vocals are still manipulated and fragile to some extent, but there's more belting and more power in the beats. It's much more of a dance-oriented show than the album would suggest.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

also, her dj set at the afterparty was all remixes of Mariah's 'Obsessed' and turn of the millenium r'n'b

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

"but I do think his description is on point wrt the album being a constant stream of mini-hooks that sometimes integrate into songs and sometimes don't."

ya that's what i mean. i don't mean that it's actually like/as good as love king.

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know this drives you nuts, Lex, but I think a lot of us here appreciate Grimes more than so many similarly styled electro-pop acts precisely because we do hear a little more R&B in her. And the way she appropriates the genre doesn't seem subtle or exploitative to me; she's pretty clever about it. I think your overarching bias against all non-traditional displays of R&B prevents you from taking that same enjoyment away from it, though, so it's kind of a lost cause. Which is a shame, because this otherwise seems like something you could love, too.

Evan R, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's much more of a dance-oriented show than the album would suggest.

More power live is never a bad thing in my book, even if the subtleties I love on the record get lost. I'm actually going to Pitchfork this year pretty much for the sole purpose of seeing her live; hope it's good.

Evan R, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think your overarching bias against all non-traditional displays of R&B

that doesn't exist (see enjoyment of creep, kingdom etc passim)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't have associated grimes with r&b at all if you lot hadn't talked about it.

also, for the thousandth time, good taste when djing is not correlated to being a worthwhile musician at all. fucking bloc party can dj a banging set of 90s dance but they should still kill themselves before recording another note of their own material

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's funny because although I do hear traces of especially Mariah Carey in her vocal treatment, the thing she reminds me most strongly of is that "etherial girl" thing so beloved of 4AD in the late 80s / early 90s.

That kind of babyish ethereal girl singing voice, I later loved on people like Tanya Donelly of Belly/Throwing Muses and hated on her out of Blake Babies (Juliana Whatsit?) and then you had people like Miki Berenyi and Alison Cranes who took that style and completely subverted it, like it was no longer cutesy anime girl but became this edge of slightly psychotic and demented behind all the pretty.

Take this voice which could be a doll, but turn it into a mad child in the attic with a knife.

Grimes seems like she is both playing the Ethereal Girl and at the same time, ripping the archetype to pieces in a really (to my ears) interesting way. But if you read it as straight girly-girl I would find it infuriating.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

the thing she reminds me most strongly of is that "etherial girl" thing so beloved of 4AD in the late 80s / early 90s.

only a few tracks in myself but whatever it's worth this seems blatantly, painfully obvious

i'm sure a big r&b ballad is only a song away tho

r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

also no offence but never speak of mariah ever again

r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmm maybe it is slightly more 80s pop styling than just simply 4ad indie but i can't quite recall the singer i'm thinking of specifically

r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are some moments esp on "vowels" that are much closer to being 'wispy' the way 90s Mariah was than whatever 'wispy' singing lex was referring to

also another thing about this album is that if you told me it was produced by john talabot I would believe you

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

You gonna laugh but there are moments that her productions and harmonies remind me so much of 80s Prince, but that might just be there's a song (sorry don't know titles, I listen to this when I'm jogging) which has almost exactly the same drum sounds and beat as When Doves Cry. Could be my shitty earbuds though.

But mostly it's 4AD 4-track weirdoes with a Reason DAW. It has as much His Name Is Alive and Danielle Dax in it as Mariah Carey.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

But, you know, LOL signifiers. I thought one of the songs on Halfaxa sounded like Republica, what so I know?

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Better sound palette than Talabot. More Germanic, too. This reminds me of Cluster with Orbital-1994-era Alison Goldfrapp singing over it.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

But wtf do I know. I really like it, though.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Every person who listens to this record seems to bring an intensely hears set of signifiers and reference points to it - and they're all completely different.

Which probably means she is actually quite unique? I honestly can't think of much that sounds exactly like this so I'm always reaching, and it's possible she's never heard any of the things I project onto her voice.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Intensely heard. I Fucken hate this iPhone.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

My knowledge of rnb is practically zero, so, y'know. We all have different analogues.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

the only thing i know about grimes other than seeing the name on the internet on occasion was being a conversation behind me at the liquor store the other day:

guy a: "hey, you have to check out this album i think you might like it. they're called grimes..."
guy b: "already have it"
(divergence off into conversation about turntable.fm)
guy c: "you guys play some really boring stuff in that room"
guys a + b: "..."
me: (stifling guffaw as i pay cashier)

fauxmarc, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

FFS it doesn't even SOUND LIKE Talabot and certainly doesn't use better sounds

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

To your ears, dude.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Me, I can't for the life of me hear what anyone likes in Talabot. I find it so banal and lifeless.

That's why there's chocolate and vanilla.

The difference is, I gave up w Talabot and I don't spend hours haranguing ppl on his thread saying they should be listening to, like, Grimes instead.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

FFS it doesn't even SOUND LIKE Talabot and certainly doesn't use better sounds

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:36 (22 minutes ago) Bookmark

srsly, 4 the luv of god

r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I love Talabot but Visions, doesn't remind me at all of him, so I'm with lex on that, at least.

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

i haven't listened to this album but the video of her doing genesis alone in a room w a table of pedals has been obsessing me for the last week or so.

judith, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

the "oblivion" video is even better!

heiswagger (rennavate), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

im sorry about this

i think the bit that really started to sink in for me was the part where she's singing what sounds like "my heart" over and over. there's a moment where she goes "my-Y heaart" (its like 1:59 in the video if you're interested) and it has this feeling of being chopped up in pro-tools but you see her do it there in front of you, just this slight vocal affectation. i mean its not the niftiest of tricks, and its hard to bring it up without making it seem like you want it to be read like so many iterations of the body imitating the machine. there's this strategy of incorporation that i think is working in this album. these layers of signification being compressed. her voice overlaid with the ghost of its machine alteration. this particular synthesis. (its hard for me to think of without remembering that she is roughly the same age as me, grew up singing along to productions by guys who first encountered this as a nifty studio gimmick.)

i'm not being clear. i think though, that this approach definitely bleeds into what she's doing elsewhere. the vocals can sound intimate and alien and naked and elusive. the lyrics that turn into vapor. smoke weed and listen to mariah. a whole set of associations that can be tapped into in all these oblique ways. lateral steps along a chain of signification. its connected with the collapse of the chillwave project i guess. she is a post-anco popstar for sure. all those haunted houses of pop songs. and yeah vowels = space and time. all this negative space, something missing at the centre.

judith, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

how hard it is to feel things, presumably

r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

attach judith's comment to tim's comment about it being "music commenting on its own making" but even to the point where i think the making is semi-erased (thus the "something missing at the centre") and it's all otm to me

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

also the persistent criticism i encounter of this record is that is sounds "unfinished" or "like demos," which, okay, it definitely doesn't sound like that to me, but considering that, what would make this sound more "complete" necessarily? someone upthread said they imagine drum parts in this record where there are none. i think that is a totally legitimate way to love music, to fill in spaces yourself. it's an interaction, not a closed system. like hearing music faintly, from another room, how other parts are summoned that are not necessarily part of the music but are not totally your own making either

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brilliant album but let's not try to explain it via R&B perhaps. Still think mid-80s Happy Rhodes is the best comparison point:

The part of Lex's crusade that I disagree with most (while recognising this is a subjective measure) is the "no hooks" measure - this album is like hooks on hooks.

Tim F, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Making this more "complete" would ruin it for me.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't recognise the "unfinished" way of listening to music at all - i can't say i've ever experienced music like that.

the "no hooks" argument is my strongest, everything else is trying to justify it retrospectively but what it comes down to is that it goes in one ear and out the other, and i have given it waaaaay more chances than things like that normally get. it doesn't stick at all.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's nothing I can say to that but, it sticks to my head like crazy. Even though they are insane pitched riffs that I couldn't possibly sing along with.

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost I believe you, it just seems bizarre to me because I feel my number one reason for liking this album is its kaleidoscope of hooks. The songs don't feel unfinished to me at all, but really generous, like she's offering more ideas than she needs to in each song. The way the songs are filled with this winning little shifts and switch-ups vocally/sonically/melodically. It also means it withstands repeat playing a lot more.

Tim F, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

winning little shifts and switch-ups

otm

Evan R, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

fwiw the R&B connection doesnt really resonate for me, like, i believe its there, but it doesnt really operate like R&B for me & i dont think thats key to understanding or enjoying it

D-40, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

how hard it is to feel things, presumably

― r|t|c, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:38 PM (Yesterday)

lol thank you for checking out the course reader

judith, Thursday, 5 April 2012 08:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

r|t|c, Thursday, 5 April 2012 09:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

lex everyone knows you got baited into hating this by critics you spend your entire life claiming to avoid

flopson, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

it goes in one ear and out the other... it doesn't stick at all.

I have had the "see you in a dark night" line from 'Oblivion' stuck in my head - in a good way - for about two months straight

She Got the Shakes, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i get various hooks that don't seem to last more than 2 seconds stuck in my head all the time.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 6 April 2012 01:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

right now my favourite track from her is not on this album, it's "vanessa".

the part where she goes :
"My heart, oh
and I don't care what you say
but it's the way it goes and it's a happening everyday"

has been completely stuck in my head for days !
(+ she's very cute in the video)

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 6 April 2012 07:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha! I woke up with a Grimes song stuck in my head this morning, without having heard it in days. I don't know the name of it or even the lyrics so I've substituted Cocteau Twins nonsense but it's like "some, some, some, some, give it all back, I would start the seaside, I would start the whoooaaaa-ooaaaa-ooooaaa"

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 6 April 2012 09:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've checked, it's Visiting Statue and it's "seabed" not "seaside" but approximately the same lyrics.

That song is an earworm!

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 6 April 2012 09:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

they're (almost) all earworms !
I've just bought tickets to see her in paris in may.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 6 April 2012 09:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

i need someone else
to look into my eyes and tell me girl you know you gotta watch your health
(to look into my eyes and tell me girl you know you gotta watch your health)
LA LA LA LA LA

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Interesting interview from Tiny Mix Tapes:

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/features/grimes

Moodles, Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Used to work at D&Q!

and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Sunday, 8 April 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

(ha ha, it took me like 3 years to learn how to export lossless from GarageBand but by that time I'd moved to the Record upgrade of Reason, so now I don't feel like such a dummy if she couldn't crack it either.)

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hildegarde von Bingen! OK, I love you. I knew I was right to do so.

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, now we know her primary influence.

Sanpaku, Sunday, 8 April 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have never heard that song before; it's awesome.

and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Monday, 9 April 2012 00:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, wow, that's gorgeous. and jeez, you can really hear what grimes took away from it. hamill sounds like she had a p interesting career. according to wikipedia, she recorded with, toured with with or joined: procol harum, jethro tull, king crimson, gilbert o' sullivan, wishbone ash, jon and vangelis (she's on friends of mr. cairo!). voices sounds pretty great.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://grimestyle.tumblr.com/

markers, Monday, 9 April 2012 01:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

never gonna get over her malice mizer background

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Monday, 9 April 2012 02:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Reading her twitter, she just reminds me so much of my siX0r at that age, like freaky avante-naive prodigy goth girl in love with *everything* and eating up everything she possibly can with a spoon and dishing it out in this weird cuisineart blender of everything all at once, and yet still very personal and distinctive.

But, you know, I just love spooky art school girls so much. It's like... man, we could hang out, and drink wine and make the baby jesus cry. It'll be awesome.

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Monday, 9 April 2012 10:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Side note, OK, why have I never heard Claire Hamill before? This has my name all over it!

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Monday, 9 April 2012 10:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hamill's Voices topped the UK New Age Chart in 1986, but its outlier in a discography of 70s folky/proggy singer-songwriter and 80s Kate Bushisms (for a few songs each folky album, at least).

Sanpaku, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah def wanna hang w/ grimes

judith, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

interesting to discover her favourite album of last year was Katy B.

Tim F, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

interesting that her favorite album of last year was so uninteresting

Evan R, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was thinking of you when I posted that, admittedly.

Tim F, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I bit my tongue so hard before taking the bait... I really, really tried not to

Evan R, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

not much crossover between this thread and the billy joel poll

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Katy B record is great!

heiswagger (rennavate), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Most of ILX (the smart half at least) thought it was great, too. Sometimes I think Grimes would make an excellent ILX0r. And then I realise she'd probably be a noize borader. Feh.

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 07:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've fallen and I can't feel my face.

Andy K, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 13:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think theres an rnb influence but not one that should be overstated. like daydream era mariah in places but thats about it. i mean its there and its not there.

judith, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's an influence, it's hearable, but it's one of about a million "influences" that have been chopped up and thrown in the blender. It's not exactly a USP or anything, it's just a thing that's there.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://twitter.com/#!/Grimezsz/status/189590724138909696

markers, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm grimes you guys

flopson, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

You're so positive

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ben Gruber ‏ @benhenrygruber · Details
@Grimezsz listening to michael jackson covers are we?

feel like posting this in the irrationally angry thread, read it and thought "this is why i hate people", not sure if i can explain properly but i can't be alone in this

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

like the fact that this person thought his knowledge of the fact that alien ant farm's biggest hit was a michael jackson cover was not only worth tweeting@a hipster girl he obv has a boner for, but the fact that he phrases it in a way that makes it look like he seriously expects her to respond to that

it's just

ugh

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

and it's not even that she's internet-famous or anything, i get weirdly annoyed when i see guys do similar things to girls they know on fbook (it is always straight guys who do this to girls on fbook), i just don't understand what goes on in ppl's heads

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway i like grimes some of her songs are gud

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just don't understand what goes on in ppl's heads

pussy

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 06:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm not calling you that, im just saying that is what is going thru straight guys who write dumb messages to girls heads.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 06:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

dude does seem hella thirsty

D-40, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 07:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Grimes fave (and Montreal pals?) Purity Ring are now also releasing their debut lp on 4AD (7/24/2012).

The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Monday, 7 May 2012 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really love Visions. It's so catchy yet I don't get tired of listening to it. I love singing with her and making up lyrics like I did when I listened to Cocteau Twins.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

love this >

Chris S, Friday, 1 June 2012 04:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

hm, doesn't seem to want to embed. lets try..

http://youtu.be/FxmCvdY4NZQ

Chris S, Friday, 1 June 2012 04:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

markers, Friday, 1 June 2012 04:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

love this

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 4 June 2012 22:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Did Grimes get really big all of a sudden? On Friday I was in two "young people" clothes shops and they were playing tracks off Visions.

nagl lack (seandalai), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a "thing" now

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 06:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

in my clothing shops of young people

♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

'phone sex' seems like it's striving v hard to be a big summer jam, but for me it's succeeding very well, so whatyagonnado.

the tent for her set at field day had overspilled in a serious way, she is v much 'in'.

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm more about this.

fffv, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 03:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Joanna Newsom meets electronic music.
maxjimmyjazz 11 hours ago

markers, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow, I wish

Moodles, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I actually quite like that remix.

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

i haven't been listening to much new music this year but i do like some grimes jams

markers, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

She played our stage at Field Day and I was amazed at how popular she was - people were going apeshit but I still don't really get it. It seems to be more about her as a personality than the music. It was really interesting watching the crowd change for Tortoise who were on after her.

Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It seems to be more about her as a personality than the music.

yes, this must be it.

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's the kind of comment that really irritates me. Like, you don't *get* the music (which is fine, that's why there's chocolate and vanilla) but because you don't *get* it, that means other people's appreciation must be based on her... personna or something?

It doubly irks because it's the kind of criticism that often gets thrown at female musicians - it can't possibly be their music, it has to be about something else - saying people are responding to that performer's "personality" is a step up from "you just like her looks" but it's coming from the same highly loaded place IMHO.

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

she's pretty cute tho

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

So's Thom Yorke. Your point is?

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Gukbe had all the bait this entire time, you guys

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

WCC did not take my post in the spirit within which it was given

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

your use of "within" makes that sound quite liturgical.

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

just striving to hit that point where the post plunges through its own transparency to meet the power that created it

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

It was really interesting watching the crowd change for Tortoise who were on after her.

well ya, it went from (to generalize) a slightly younger mixed group to (to generalize) a slightly older largely male group. this is perhaps not v startling when it comes to tortoise vs just about anybody. and rly i'm not even sure what her persona is, especially not as something notably distinct from the music.

(mild passive aggressive dickishness aside, your stage had a lot of great stuff, doran, i found myself there more than anywhere else. and also, if you were who i thought you were, that was a v sharp fitzcarraldo-esque suit you were sporting.)

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nah, personality may be part of it, but i think the biggest part is blog fame/peer pressure.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 June 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

she was v.much 'bad' at primavera - needed a smaller stage I think, struggled to fill the space

༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Thursday, 7 June 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

also, an artist's personality always comes through their music; it's a bad argument that separates the two.

unknown pleasure zone (uptown churl), Thursday, 7 June 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^^It's got nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman and everything to do with the fact her music is - IN MY OPINION - paper thin and on the whole unmemorable, the fact her voice is (to me) pretty irritating and there's only really one strong song on the album and even then, I'd sooner listen to Julie Cruise.

Apologies if I've expressed myself badly here but the post was supposed to suggest that I'm middle aged and perhaps too old to 'get it', hence the reference to Tortoise. As I twittered at the time I was pretty much convinced it was the coolest/youngest thing we've ever had our name attached to and it was pretty funny seeing all these people slowly morphing into fucked old dudes who look like me for Tortoise.

But yeah, if I was passive/aggressive or a dick, I'm sorry BUT I reject any claims of misogyny vigorously. There's absolutely no reason why anyone on here should have read anything I've written but all the same there is enough evidence out there to suggest that I@m not some sexist creep - quite the opposite hopefully. Sorry if I've upset anyone I'll try and phrase things more precisely next time.

Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh, i meant i was the one possibly being a passive aggressive dick, sorry! (communicating over the internet bad, grimes better.)

Merdeyeux, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

additionally i can't fucking stop listening to the track with blood diamonds, i should really be saving my summer jams for summer.

Merdeyeux, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ah, sorry. And thanks for the kind words on my suit - usually I expect people to say I look like a sex tourist in it. I'm glad you enjoyed our stage. It wasn't as good as last year but yeah, I think there were some ace sets.

Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^^It's got nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman and everything to do with the fact her music is - IN MY OPINION - paper thin and on the whole unmemorable, the fact her voice is (to me) pretty irritating and there's only really one strong song on the album and even then, I'd sooner listen to Julie Cruise.

Doran you can just not like the music rather than posit that her music has no appeal to anyone and people are just vibing off her personality.

Which doesn't really make sense given this album's take-up seems to be much broader than the reach of interviews/profiles on her would suggest.

If anything most people I know who are really into the album got into it in a way entirely disconnected from any notion of who Claire Boucher "is" - in particular at least 3 people I know first became obsessed with "Oblivion" as a kind of ~this year's "Heartbeats"~ thing where they didn't really care who was responsible for the music so long as it filled a specific need for them.

Tim F, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Look, it was an off the cuff observation based on how it seemed to me and I've explained that personally I'm at a loss to understand what people see in her as the album, in my opinion, isn't that good. Then, I had the privilege of watching her gig from the side of stage and seeing how it went off. People were screaming for her deafeningly even while she was setting her gear up. Apart from a pretty cheesy rubber n'angel wings dancing dude there isn't any show to speak of and she commanded our biggest crowd of the day by what I would call force of personality. But this is just what I got from it, obviously most other people would disagree with me and say that the album is full of tunes etc. But as observations go, I now accept that it was a bit shit and maybe not totally thought through properly.

Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think Doran was out of bounds. I think a lot of listeners DO respond to her personality; it seems like it is a significant apart of her appeal (and certainly a significant apart of her recorded presence). I don't think that's an inherently bad thing at all, but it's something I wrestle with listening to the album, which I really love. I can't always tell how much I'm responding to her music and how much I'm responding to her overall endearing, cool-girl vibe. There's probably no need to even make a distinction between the two, b/c they're so connected.

Evan R, Thursday, 7 June 2012 23:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess that's part of why I'm so conflicted about that Blood Diamonds song. I dig it, but it's so sexually charged that it makes me question my motives for liking it and Grimes overall. Am I into the music, or am I just another dude crushing on the cute girl? And again, how can I even make a distinction?

Evan R, Thursday, 7 June 2012 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

But as observations go, I now accept that it was a bit shit and maybe not totally thought through properly.

the only thing that bothered me about with comment was the suggestion that grimes' audience was responding more to her personality than to the music (something we can't really determine from outside other people's heads). in saying that, you at least seemed to denigrate the way grimes' fans relate to her, intentionally or not.

spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 8 June 2012 01:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess that's part of why I'm so conflicted about that Blood Diamonds song. I dig it, but it's so sexually charged that it makes me question my motives for liking it and Grimes overall. Am I into the music, or am I just another dude crushing on the cute girl? And again, how can I even make a distinction?

i don't think there's anything wrong with liking a song in part because you think it's sexy - same goes for performers. i mean, people sometimes get gross about this kind of thing, but i think we all pretty much know when we're perving.

spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 8 June 2012 01:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the other thing is she has a little girl voice, so when she sings that "talk to me daddy" line, she's playing into some sort of icky fantasies

Evan R, Friday, 8 June 2012 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Visions is sexy too, of course, but its sexiness comes from her overall energy and intimacy and the romanticism and physicality in her lyrics. This is the first track I've heard where she seems to be going for a deliberate Lolita thing, so it just feels a little cheap and easy

Evan R, Friday, 8 June 2012 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe it's just me but the title feels like a bit of a red herring - i can't decipher all of the lyrics, but it seems there are a lot of tones going on in there besides sexual, and the sexual side itself seems to have some conflicting facets to it.

Merdeyeux, Friday, 8 June 2012 05:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have pretty much no concept of who Claire Boucher is but I really, really like this record.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

as rich and interesting and fun as her music is, I don't get how someone would only be able to imagine her appeal as only possibly being due to her image - appealing as it may be

Chris S, Friday, 8 June 2012 07:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's this thing that ppl do when they're defensive (I include myself in this, BTW) which is, when they're accused of saying/doing something sexist (or racist or homophobic or whatever) which is to say "but I'm not misogynist so I REALLY resent that!" which is infuriating and counter productive.

It's like - we live in a culture which is just soaked in sexist values and we pick them up, consciously or not. I mean, I'm soaking in these ideas even though I've been actively resisting them for 30+ years. They're the things that pop out when we're shooting off the cuff, when we're tired, or not qualifying things or thinking them through.

And it's much better to own it, say "that was a sexist assumption" and move on to a more thought-out reflection or assessment - this actually helps work against that subconscious, internalised sexism in a way in a way that flat-out denial does not.

Just putting that out there, you can do with it what you like.

For the most part, I'm with Tim - drawing conclusions about why people like music that you don't is a fool's game.

You can interrogate your own tastes but trying to go in on others' is a bent mirror.

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm on the fence about the music, but like scik mouthy, i don't know much about grimes/c boucher. i don't even know what she looks like. while i sometimes think musical voices and personae are sexy, it's usually a rather abstract sort of appreciation, separated from the tangible, bodily things that tend most immediately to engage my erotic imagination. "phone sex" does't even spark that kind of secondhand frisson. there's no sense of physicality or lust in it.

(one of the few songs i do find genuinely erotic, sonic youth's "eliminator jr." is apparently about a famous sex crime, so maybe my calibration is off, i dunno...)

spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^I've explained and apologised for what I'm going to. You can't dress me down for presuming too much about other people while doing exactly the same to me. Well, you can, but I'm fucked if I'm going to 'wear' anything. Sounds like by your own admissions you could do with getting your own house in order and stop projecting your own standards on to others. Also you could do with checking the dictionary meaning of "seems" as it pertains to perception.

Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know anything about her or know what she looked like before I saw her live but one of the many things that led me towards thinking there was perhaps a cult of personality at work was the fact she looked really cool and there were girls dressed like her in the front row. (Not that these things always correlate - for example I don't think Slipknot are over-endowed with personality...)

Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

A friend of mine heard the album and then saw the Oblivion video and went out and got that haircut within two days fwiw.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 8 June 2012 08:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

okay, so i watched the video. still my by far my favorite thing on the album. funny that i should only notice this while watching her pronounce the lyrics, but she lisps a little, right? "look into my eyeth and tell me..."

anyway, i now know what she looks like, though i don't think i want that haircut.

spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 8 June 2012 08:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Doran if you would stop being so viciously defensive and actually looked at the things you were saying...

Like, why is Grimes as an "image band" indicative of "personality" while Slipknot, who are just as much an "image band" - how it that not coded as "personality" in the same way? If you'd stop kneejerking we could have an interesting conversation about that. But you have to admit that there are things in play here.

Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 8 June 2012 08:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess it's because you're projecting things onto me that just aren't true (as far as I'm aware)... I'm not viciously doing anything. I didn't say Grimes were an image band. I didn't make a sexist/misogynist assumption about Grimes.

Last things first - I don't have to admit anything, I have no idea what your last sentence means.

I don't think a band/singer having a strong image is a negative thing. In fact I'd say that out of all my favourite bands/artists most (Prince, Bowie, Slayer, TG, PE, Kraftwerk, SunnO)))) have a defining visual look and only a few (PJ Harvey, The Fall) don't. So I think the fact that Grimes has a strong visual identity is a positive thing. Slipknot who are a passably entertaining band with one good album, who were quite exciting to watch live at a certain point are positively lacking in personality. It's all just mall nihilism, Hot Topic, Nightmare on Elm Street franchise, merch rights nonsense dressed up as the apocalypse. So in this, I'm suggesting that Grimes is far superior to Slipknot.

So, this conversation you were talking about, I'm all for it but I feel we'll both - not just me - need to pay closer attention to what the other one is saying.

Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 08:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

You might wanna change that screen name first.

Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 8 June 2012 09:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

That is a fair point.

Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 09:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Done.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Friday, 8 June 2012 09:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

Doran, I think you're being treated unfairly here but that was cute.

Ò (Ówen P.), Friday, 8 June 2012 12:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

late to the party but wasn't there an interview/thinkpiece/whatever about how boucher is like hyperaware of her image/persona and puts a lot of effort into it? thing is it's not a bad thing imo and it's dishonest to suggest that the majority of artists don't care about their image or the majority of listeners don't care about an artists' image. there's nothing wrong or inauthentic about merging personality with art; it's essentially unavoidable. the annoying thing is that it's almost always used as a criticism of female artists because hey ingrained sexism.

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 8 June 2012 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked her music before I knew about her personality. I think it really came out in the "Oblivion" video, but she had two albums before that that people liked. There weren't many interviews with her before Visions so I didn't know much about her or her image. Only the "Vanessa" video which is nice but pretty anonymous.

LeRooLeRoo, Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

It becomes so impossible to talk about this stuff, no matter how nicely you dress up the conversation, because people freak out and go "OMG you're accusing *me* of misogyny!!! how DARE you!!!" (see also the Erykah Badu thread ad infinitum) when what you are trying to say is "this stuff does not happen in a vacuum." The dialogue surrounding the way music made by men vs that made (or even liked) by women is discussed is loaded at a societal level.

It's this thing that outsidery dudes *love* to do when they are so tied up in their "OMG, I'm such an outsidery dude, I'm so not *affected* by society's mores!" that they don't even notice that they are telling a woman to "get her own house in order" from a screen name with a vastly derogatory term for women because that's just a cute or funny word to them, rather than a term of abuse which has been used to degrade you, personally, and hold back your entire kind. I don't know if it was intended to be *ironic* saying "I'm not going to wear that" when you were, literally, wearing it. You might insist you're wearing a plain white shirt but if you are existing in an environment where every single light shining on you is red, that shirt will look pink. Shouting that you are wearing a white shirt doesn't do anything about the red lights. They're still there, and denying that they exist makes the problem worse, not better.

This whole thing of "image" and "personality" is something that does get held against female artists in a way it just doesn't with male. That if you go to a Grimes gig and the front row is full of girls with her haircut who are dressed like her, that gets held against her and her fans, in a way that if you go to a metal gig and the front row is full of men with long hair, weedy beards and scruffy black clothes exactly like the dudes on stage - that doesn't get counted against them as being "just image." Even though it is the same kind of use of image for drawing tribal boundaries or identity. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a valid complaint against either. But it sure as hell gets used much more on one side than the other. (See also: Wayne Coyne's eccentricity gets him painted as creative, wacky, hoopy frood, while Erykah Badu's eccentricity gets her painted as "crazy.")

I get that you're saying that you didn't mean it in a gender-loaded way, you were doing the whole thing of saying "I'm old and I just don't understand why this is so popular because ugh X and ugh Y" when X and Y might actually be the things that are attracting that audience to that music in the first place?

That you hear music which is "thin" when I hear music that is light, playful, fun, joyous, that she has a mixed-bag, magpie approach to genre and style where everything gets thrown in together to create something frothy which is about mood and tone and creating these kid of theatrical set pieces.

That you dislike her voice - you'd rather listen to Julee Cruise. Which is kind of point-missing, to me. That Julee Cruise uses an airy, ultra-high voice to create things that are pretty, ethereal, beautiful, and generally nice to listen to. While Grimes takes that same vocal style, and uses it to create things that are sometimes pretty, but more often weird, theatrical, odd, strained, unnatural. It's like saying you'd prefer Katherine Jenkins to Diamanda Galas. I, personally, *love* what she's doing with her voice because she specifically uses that ultra-feminine coded high voice and uses it in a way that isn't always pretty, but is sometimes like a parody of feminine-coded voice pushed to absurdity and even ugliness. It's saying, to me, "look at this performance of gender, how fucking weird it is when you push it to extremes!" In a very similar way that The Knife pushed the performance of male and female voices to be slowed down and sped up so you could never tell if it was the man or woman singing or both. (I'm sure that metal dudes love the cookie monster voice, when I fucking hate it - and possibly even for the same reasons, because it's similarly a hyper-exaggerated take on performance of "masculine" voice.)

It's absolutely very much filling the kind of space created by The Knife - that's why I posted her on the post-Knife aesthetic thread on the Sandbox. I respond to many of the same things. The taking a grab-bag approach to the aesthetics of dance and electronic music as suits the song, rather than trying to fit to a specific genre. That air of theatricality - of pretence and masks (literal in The Knife's case, but figurative in Grime's. She doesn't mask her face, but she does mask her voice) is something I find very, very appealing. The whole idea of "give someone a mask and they will tell the truth."

That might be semi-political for me, but that goes way beyond the scope of a Grimes thread. (In a world where Straight White Male is seen as default, people who aren't one, or even several of those things, often already have to wear a metaphorical mask to pass or get by. So a mask seems less like a put-on and more like a tool. But that's another thread.)

To me, interesting stuff comes out when you push beyond that "I dislike (or like) this artist, and I can't freaking understand why people would (or wouldn't!)" kneejerk thing. That often you find out that the thing you hate is precisely what they love. But sometimes you have to have the conversation about whether your shirt is pink or the lights are red (and perhaps both societal and personal attitudes about pink as a colour for shirts, and what that means, though that's perhaps a metaphor too far) before you can get to that point.

Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 09:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sorry for wall of text. I don't imagine anyone is going to have the patience to read through all of that.

Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 09:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I will in a bit but my screen name was obviously in references to other people's posts with specific reference to a female rapper I currently like. You can refuse this explanation if you like and to be honest, given the circumstances I really don't blame you but you at least have my side of things now re: the screen name.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ok, point by point:

Don't paint me as supporting Wayne Coyne or use it as an analogy here. I don't support him and it's not helpful.

It becomes so impossible to talk about this stuff, no matter how nicely you dress up the conversation, because people freak out and go "OMG you're accusing *me* of misogyny!!! how DARE you!!!" (see also the Erykah Badu thread ad infinitum) when what you are trying to say is "this stuff does not happen in a vacuum." The dialogue surrounding the way music made by men vs that made (or even liked) by women is discussed is loaded at a societal level.

I'm a fan of Erykah Badu and The Flaming Lips (especially the albums Soft Bulletin, Clouds Taste Metallic, Embryonic, Zaireeka) but I hate their Fat Freddie's Cat smokin dope and chasing skirt counterculture, hippie persona. If it turns out they did release that video without asking for her permission (no matter what she agreed to do or whether she'd done her research or not) then fuck that guy - what a cuntish thing to do.

Also, stop with the caps and the multiple exclamation points. If you keep on insisting that I'm being hysterical, "vicious", "violent", "knee jerk", shouting, losing my shit etc then eventually some people on this board will actually start treating me like I am and I'd prefer it if that didn't happen, given that I've responded to you calmly at every stage of this. All I said was that I reject any claims made here of misogyny. I know what the current thinking in gender studies on this is: it almost doesn't matter what I think, it only matters how you and other women feel about things I say. Which is fair enough I guess. Just don't expect me not to defend myself, and do me the courtesy of not throwing up a vitriolic and confusing smokescreen with all this OMG!!! stuff and constantly blurring the line between what you claim I do and what men in general do.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's this thing that outsidery dudes *love* to do when they are so tied up in their "OMG, I'm such an outsidery dude, I'm so not *affected* by society's mores!" that they don't even notice that they are telling a woman to "get her own house in order" from a screen name with a vastly derogatory term for women because that's just a cute or funny word to them, rather than a term of abuse which has been used to degrade you, personally, and hold back your entire kind. I don't know if it was intended to be *ironic* saying "I'm not going to wear that" when you were, literally, wearing it. You might insist you're wearing a plain white shirt but if you are existing in an environment where every single light shining on you is red, that shirt will look pink. Shouting that you are wearing a white shirt doesn't do anything about the red lights. They're still there, and denying that they exist makes the problem worse, not better.

I'm not an "outsidery dude" and have never claimed to be one. I'm the 40-year-old father of one who has a mortgage, edits a magazine and does a lot of freelance to keep that magazine going. All I do is go to work and go to nursery. Literally. I'm about as outsider as Keith Chegwin. I have never claimed to be not affected by society's mores. I do not know where you are coming up with this stuff from. I'm not even saying you're doing this on purpose but you seem to be partially having a row with me and partially with some other guys who've said stuff to you in the past. As irritating as it may be to be surrounded by oafs who talk shit about women must be, if we could stick to what I've said and done that would be helpful.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's this thing that ppl do when they're defensive (I include myself in this, BTW) which is, when they're accused of saying/doing something sexist (or racist or homophobic or whatever) which is to say "but I'm not misogynist so I REALLY resent that!" which is infuriating and counter productive.

It's like - we live in a culture which is just soaked in sexist values and we pick them up, consciously or not. I mean, I'm soaking in these ideas even though I've been actively resisting them for 30+ years. They're the things that pop out when we're shooting off the cuff, when we're tired, or not qualifying things or thinking them through.

This, and only this, is what led me to suggest you get your own house in order. You have just admitted that you make sexist, racist and homophobic comments on a public internet forum. I have not admitted to doing so, nor will I, no matter how much it irritates you. You are presuming too much about me with close to no evidence to go on. I will admit that your second paragraph here is spot on in general terms and yes, it's always good to have ones attitudes challenged and this board and OTF have played a significant part in me fine tuning my beliefs and attitudes on several matters. This, however, was not and will not be one of those occasions and there is no evidence to prove otherwise.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I will in a bit but my screen name was obviously in references to other people's posts with specific reference to a female rapper I currently like. You can refuse this explanation if you like and to be honest, given the circumstances I really don't blame you but you at least have my side of things now re: the screen name.

Dude, I will accept this explanation. And I do not want to get into the whole "bitch" discussion again. However, you do have to understand that it is still a loaded word. And though there are contexts in which I am prepared to accept it, and even use it - it is one thing for a woman, be that Nikki Minaj or Meredith freaking Brooks, to use it. But that does not give you the right to trot it out coz you think it's funny.

And dude, this whole "gender studies" thing. This is a thing that is lived experience of myself, and many other women. It's a thing that we have to deal with, and we have the right to talk about it. If it's not something that applies to you, then you can admit "misogyny is a real thing" and move on.

It's when you go beyond that, and start implying things about my motivations for what I'm doing, you make yourself the asshole here.

I've been trying to be nice, and light-hearted and playful with the "OMG's" and stuff because I've learned that humour gets a better response when talking about serious issues. If you want to read that as "vitriolic" - that's your baggage that you're bringing to the party. I didn't use either the term "vicious" or "violent" at all in my post, but you somehow decided that I did.

This kind of stuff - reading "vicious" and "violent" and "vitriolic" where I'm trying to be playful and lighthearted and have not used those terms at all - can you see how that might lead me to think that there's other stuff going on in your head?

Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am, unequivocally 100% sorry about the offence caused by my screen name. I'm fucking mortified in fact. I genuinely thought that on a board such as this, taking a line from a female rapper and using it in a different context, i.e. about reading someone else's posts, with no direct misogynist overtones would be ok but I now see that I was being a fucking idiot - and that by using such a loaded word with such a grim history I would have upset at least a handful of people. This much is crystal clear. If there is anything I can do to try and make up for this within reason, I'll try and accommodate you. And I'll try and watch my language - an unfortunately atavistic product of my upbringing - in future.

XP: I just wrote this so I'll submit anyway.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Doran if you would stop being so viciously defensive and actually looked at the things you were saying...

I didn't put the word vitriolic in quotes.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

You have just admitted that you make sexist, racist and homophobic comments on a public internet forum.

That is not what I said at all.

I said that I am soaking in a culture that is so deeply seeped in racism and sexism and homophobia, that some of my first, subconscious reactions to things are informed by the racism, sexism and homophobia of the culture I live in. I am not separate from my culture or my society. I breathe this stuff the same as everyone else does.

Rather than give in to those learned impulses, I TRY to examine things, from my own perspective, and from the shared experiences of others, BEFORE I type or hit submit on an internet forum. It doesn't always work, I often have to be corrected, especially on issues of race and class. But the difference is, I acknowledge that this society is often racist and classist, I admit that bias, I try to correct it, and I move on. I don't carry on still insisting that other people are somehow out to get me, or "violent" because they point out that these things exist. That's an asshole move.

Yet that's exactly the move that you are playing on me, when I suggest that society's ideas about women *might* be affecting the criticisms you raise about a female artist.

Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

lag∞n, Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

You claim that you're stopping to read other people's posts before hitting submit but you just aren't. I said you were accusing me of talking violently, with vitriol and being vicious.

I shouldn't have put the word "violent" in quotes but the sentiment still stands.

Look, as far as I can tell I'm reading everything that you say very closely and you're not doing the same with me. If you don't stick exactly to what I've said and done there's no point in carrying on.

If you want me to I can get back to answering all the points in your first, giant post of today if you like.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

No. This is where I walk away from the argument because we've been butting heads for nearly a decade now, you just accuse me of things you do (and I no doubt do the same) and this isn't solving anything.

It does not matter to me if you answer or not. Have a nice life.

Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

lag∞n, Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wait, I know you? Who are you? I have no idea literally. Someone from the Plan B messageboard? Or OTF? Those being the only places I've argued with people online.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

lag∞n, Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jesus Christ I hope people aren't responding to the image if that's what it looks like because her image is fucking terrible. It reminds me of those Klaxons style hipster wizard suits.

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm sorry to be a pedant but for the record I said personality which is a combination of image and many other things in this context. Sorry, but you can probably see why I'm a bit jumpy about this now.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

#seapunk

lag∞n, Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

so Grimes is opening for the Lips in New Orleans on their record-breaking gig attempt whatever thing.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

was going to b**** about her skipping DC but just noticing that she's playing here with Elite Gymnastics in September so fuckin' get in

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

For the sake of my mental health I hope they don't make a video together.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

should be an ILX fap at the lips/grimes show, everyone can talk a few things over in the bar beforehand

blossom smulch (schlump), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

For the sake of my mental health I hope they don't make a video together.

A+

Ò (Ówen P.), Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

cmon clusterfuck supernova would be fun while it/we lasted.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

naw

flopson, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

friend of mine doesn't like this artist because iho it is "lifestyle music"

flopson, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

The lifestyle of being 23 and going thrifting?

Ò (Ówen P.), Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I always think that's one of the daftest kind of criticisms people make. all music is lifestyle music, there's no escaping it.

Chris S, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

later the same night he put on ariel pink though :-/

flopson, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

i def think some music is more "lifestyle music" than other, but it's definitely a neutral characteristic rather than a solid basis of, like, dismissal

flopson, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

fuck everyone

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno, even bland, regular guy music is 'bland, regular guy music'

Chris S, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

although I guess there are varying degrees of awareness of this. like bro-punk bands that are "y'know, just playing music"... which of course means music that reflects their lifestyle and sounds like a musical personification of their character/culture

Chris S, Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

somehow this is a real thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=ScPaXIyb3SA

fffv, Monday, 11 June 2012 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh, all it took was one kreayshawn collab to kill this thread

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Friday, 22 June 2012 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Or just a lack of any new music or exciting performances?

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Still loving the album. Incredibly excited about a recent twitter exchange that suggests that Claire and le1f might be recording something together. Waiting to see what happens next.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

her music has that chillwave someone singing along to the radio thing going on, which is pretty i think limting

lag∞n, Monday, 25 June 2012 01:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

but she some cool qualities

lag∞n, Monday, 25 June 2012 01:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

"Skin" is kind of transcendent, really.

Turangalila, Saturday, 14 July 2012 05:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

But this whole album creeped up on me unexpectedly, having initially dismissed it as vapidly pretty.

Turangalila, Saturday, 14 July 2012 06:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like to think that i would have gone to grimes skrillex diplo had i been in town, going to be insane

carly rae (flopson), Saturday, 14 July 2012 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

no grimes skrillex diplo is the name of my dog

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 July 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Driving in for Pitchfork today mostly to see her. Hoping it'll be a good show; she has a headlining-ish slot

Evan R, Saturday, 14 July 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

She played Toronto last night w/Diplo and Skrillex. Didn't go but I chatted with some random attendees afterward: "oh yah she was cool but we were there to see Skrill". Skrill? OK!

Ówen P., Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol :-)

carly rae (flopson), Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

next unlikely touring lineup can be The (Skrill) Ex.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 14 July 2012 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

that would be p dope if he officially changed his name to "SKRILL" at some point

♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sounds like fish food to me

Moodles, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Skrill (ex-Skrillex)

Ówen P., Tuesday, 17 July 2012 23:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

Performance on Jimmy Fallon's show last night was way boring, but after the song and after he shook Claire's and her dancer's hands and ran up into the audience, they huddled on the stage and started jumping up and down and giggling. It was cute.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

drugs

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

some white dude (Turangalila), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

can someone tell Mortiis his wife's got out of the cave and is running about in the desert?

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

bitches must be dreading a hit these days if they're gonna get driven out to wear outfits in the desert every time

― r|t|c, Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:42 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah yeah - song is still great though.

some white dude (Turangalila), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

I cannot lie, that gang looks like a bitchin good time.

Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

This year's gathering of the juggalos look crazy

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

the way she looks into the camera is p mesmerizing

flopson, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

did not have trouble watching that

contenderizer, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Girl is a star, straight up.

calstars, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

argh this shit

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

recommend depends

contenderizer, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

curious to hear u elab on this

flopson, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 21:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

turangalia I really enjoyed the video of your road trip to the burning man festival, hope you will post more

bert yansh (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

guilty lol will not prevent me from watching that video again

contenderizer, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I always liked everything about Lady Gaga except for the catchy, memorable melodies and adequate production values, so this is really up my alley.

bert yansh (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 23:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

hehe

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 23:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm just mad that i can't wear my sparse metal bikini in the suburbs anymore because everyone will think i'm ripping off grimes

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 23 August 2012 00:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

flaming broadsword? shamelessly marketing herself to the scott seward audience.

emo mcgee vs ricky hitler (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 23 August 2012 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

What's the concept of the video?

Claire Boucher: It's loosely based on this painting by my favorite painter, Hieronymus Bosch, called "The Seven Deadly Sins and the Four Last Things" (below). I wanted to play with Medieval/Catholic imagery. I was raised in a Catholic household and went to a Catholic school, and my childhood brain perceived medieval Catholicism as an action movie: There's this crazy omnipresent guy who can destroy you at any moment.

If painters could be compared to filmmakers, Bosch is the Hype Williams of renaissance painters.

Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 23:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

This whole interview on the Genesis video is great:

http://www.pitchfork.com/features/directors-cut/8929-grimes/?utm_medium=site&utm_source=ticker&utm_name=ticker

Like when she talks about the broadsword woman being a "contemporary muse" and then she's "like the Ryan Seacrest of indie culture".

Girl enjoys her analogies a whole lot.

Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 23:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

she's like the madonna of terrible indie artists

vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Saturday, 1 September 2012 00:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

This really does sound like those halfheard/remembered songs with wordshaped/evocative sounds instead of audible lyrics I'd have to half make up when there was a party nearby when I was a kid, as a few people upthread have kinda suggested/said. It's pretty amazing atm.

albvivertine, Saturday, 1 September 2012 14:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's very openeded, as a guy who drums said. I was loving a percussion part on Vanessa till I stopped tapping my desk and realised it wasn't actually on the track.

albvivertine, Saturday, 1 September 2012 14:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

finally checked this album out a few days ago. totally obsessed. picked up the vinyl version of 'Visions' last night - sounds fantastic. great pop album.

harpal, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yes it is.

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah idg the "lack of hooks" crit. "Circumambient" could be Kylie.

some white dude (Turangalila), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

writer J. Shepherd not crazy about "Genesis" video:

http://jawnita.tumblr.com/post/32480860758/i-wrote-this-thing-about-grimes-genesis-and-it-never

As narrative goes, the visuals are purely aesthetic, a laundry list of representational “art” looks popularized by Tumblr, offering nothing more than skewed prettiness; which is why the presence of Candy’s Aeon Flux dancer is so much more problematic. The video is Grimes playing primitivism, using a lens of a vague “future” as a way to execute notions of… well, future primitive. Some of the same critiques of James Cameron’s Avatar—that it continues the tradition of exoticising and idealizing the “advanced” and “pure” primitive other—apply here. Worst of all, the video begins with Grimes singing a refrain that is not on her album: wailing in her airy voice, she seems to mimic the vocal runs of Middle Eastern music, but without offering any context whatsoever. Presumably, it’s her depoliticized sonic interpretation of what is “weird,” “edgy,” or “other,” without any visible evidence that she has any knowledge of global music—unlike, say, MIA, who herself is complicated but travels the world to mine its variant sounds , or even white art-pop band Gang Gang Dance, whose polyglot vocalist Lizzi Bougatsos flips bhangra and traditional Chinese and Arabic singing with the precision of someone who’s studied it.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 29 September 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, nor am i?

i still love the actual album way way more than shepherd does, but the video is iffy, the fashion stuff is iffy, and the random reference to japanese aesthetic philosophy in the parenthetical title for be a body is just... a bit random? and not necessarily motivated maybe? and kind of just a signifier/stand in?

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 29 September 2012 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

find it sort of bewildering that people could have interpreted the album in such way that that video might be seen as being aesthetically divergent or misrepresentational

(ftr it is all just whatever to me moreso than offensive)

r|t|c, Saturday, 29 September 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

"with the precision of someone who’s studied it" is a big boring canard anyway, isn't it just rather the every poet steals, bad poets deface, good poets renew thing

can't say i'm any fan of gang gang dance either admittedly

r|t|c, Saturday, 29 September 2012 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh black keys only paws

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

As narrative goes, the visuals are purely aesthetic,

the horror!

flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Presumably, it’s her depoliticized sonic interpretation of what is “weird,” “edgy,” or “other,” without any visible evidence that she has any knowledge of global music

i will not vibe 2 this refrain w/o further evidence (will accept certificate of global music minor, substantial ratio of music tagged "global music" on i-pod)

flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's so weird that writers are choosing NOW to get tripped up over the fact postmodernism and globalisation are real as have been for over a generation.

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

When has rock'n'roll ever given a shit about propriety of cultural borders?

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mean, Buddy Holly never went to Africa.

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

When has rock'n'roll ever given a shit about propriety of cultural borders?

― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 15:40 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eh i think there are some ok points to be made, this guy just has his head so far up all kinds of ass, that "Presumably," is just...

flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

The rest of that Julianne Shep blogpost offers a bit more balance.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

the problem with that video is not cultural appropriation, its that nothing at all interesting happens, just a bunch of teenagers staging a manga / 90s fashion show in the dessert.

dsb, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like the music though...

dsb, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah but you see ... we are entering "post interesting" era

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

genesis is a lot more interesting than most music videos i have sene this year in which things actually happen tho

flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

the demand for "high concept" videos takes away from the music I think ... who needs another nerdfest at this point?

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

Right, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with just dancing around in the desert with your friends/models for your video, but the whole vibe of the song/ way the video was filmed and edited makes it seems like there will be some sort of content that never arrives, or at least some interesting imagery more unique than ohh an albino snake.

dsb, Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

i kind of imagined it as the first in a never to be continued series about this crew, or like their intro theme

flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I makes sense if you watch a bunch of grimes videos in a row ... they all feature dancing around in front of groups of people, whether modern dance troupe in white studio or nude guys in stadium locker room ... they're all kind of about various deserts. the "genesis" one just happens to be about California "superficial" scene

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

a lot of what this video & cultural appropriation debate reminds me of is that endless part of dorian grey where he's just listing all the exotic furs and perfumes he's collected, like ot1h repulsive & imperialist yet, at least ime (most people i've talked to about it hated that part or skipped it when they realized it was goign to be like 30 pages) intriguing and kind of seductive? felt that within the context of all the ideas going on abt aesthetics & youth & art it's an interesting part of the book, the allure of this massive luxury and beauty, and i guess that's where i'd place this video, too. obviously problematic in a post-colonial/globalizing world but i think to deny it any context besides tumblr is wrong, she seems pretty smart in interviews and like, went to college she prob has sth to say about it

flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tim F. posted a Pitchfork interview with Claire/Grimes about this video upthread. Deciding what's cultural homage and what's cultural appropriation is not easy, and it does not appear J Shep read up much on Claire before posting and weighing on a complicated subject. She's done much more effective writing elsewhere.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

That blog is ridiculous

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 29 September 2012 21:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think I get where Shep is coming from but it seems like she piles a lot of suggestive disapproval on quite thin foundations - e.g. aeon flux woman has pink weaves therefore she must be "other" therefore she must be some exoticised (marginalised) ethnic counterpoint to boucher's whiteness. This might in fact be the case but you could find a lot of these rabbit holes to tumblr down in just about every video clip if you try hard enough.

To her credit the rest of the post seems to acknowledge this even if only implicitly (and also supports Edward's "madonna of terrible indie artists" zing).

Not sure if the m.i.a. comparison is a good one to use in service of the point she's making - if m.i.a.'s cultural appropriations are problematic than they almost have to be more problematic than grimes' fairly minor misdemeanours in this regard, and the fact that she gets on a plane to go and "mine" influences from other parts of the world is not a point for the defence but a point for the prosecution. In this analogy grimes is like a local business that buys goods made in a sweatshop while m.i.a. is a wholesaler who flies there to negotiate purchases with the factory owner to be shipped back.

OTOH i guess what is firing shep up here is the thoughtlessness of cultural appropriations by white female artists. Which you couldn't accuse m.i.a. of (for more than one reason).

Tim F, Saturday, 29 September 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

wait wacky ott colored weave ponytails have been a goth thing for like ever

The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Saturday, 29 September 2012 23:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

As narrative goes, the visuals are purely aesthetic, a laundry list of representational “art” looks popularized by Tumblr, offering nothing more than skewed prettiness; which is why the presence of Candy’s Aeon Flux dancer is so much more problematic. The video is Grimes playing primitivism, using a lens of a vague “future” as a way to execute notions of… well, future primitive. Some of the same critiques of James Cameron’s Avatar—that it continues the tradition of exoticising and idealizing the “advanced” and “pure” primitive other—apply here. Worst of all, the video begins with Grimes singing a refrain that is not on her album: wailing in her airy voice, she seems to mimic the vocal runs of Middle Eastern music, but without offering any context whatsoever. Presumably, it’s her depoliticized sonic interpretation of what is “weird,” “edgy,” or “other,” without any visible evidence that she has any knowledge of global music

why are there so many quotation marks there when she's not actually quoting anything... it's totally disingenuous writing imo

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 September 2012 03:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

The criticism of this video is very silly to me because the concept is very clearly get together with some Burner friends, slap on wacky costumes, dance around, and have other hijinks. I don't think a whole lot of deep thought went into it beyond that.

Moodles, Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've tried on numerous occasions but I can't get into this album. I feel like I have to fundamentally warp and contort my brain's music receptors to even begin to appreciate the aesthetic being presented - which Im not opposed to on principle, but in the case of the Grimes record I don't think it's worth the effort.

Cliftonb, Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

why are there so many quotation marks there

to scare u

j., Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

I feel like I have to fundamentally warp and contort my brain's music receptors to even begin to appreciate the aesthetic being presented - which Im not opposed to on principle, but in the case of the Grimes record I don't think it's worth the effort.

Curious about this. I love the album but whether i loved or hated it I think either way I'd still say the aesthetic is easy to understand. What makes you feel like you need to warp/contort yr brain?

Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

ugh are you assholes gonna me me watch a "grimes" video

wood grain, chestnut / cody, CHESNUTT (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's boring, don't bother

j., Sunday, 30 September 2012 04:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Curious about this. I love the album but whether i loved or hated it I think either way I'd still say the aesthetic is easy to understand. What makes you feel like you need to warp/contort yr brain?

― Tim F, Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:19 AM

What I mean to say is that based on my brains music receptors' default settings this album does nothing for me. Specifically, I find the detached vocal delivery not engaging at all. The songs don't seem to go anywhere interesting and the synths and drumbeats sound kind of cheap and thrown together. At least that's how it sounds after about 4 full listens. I feel like I have to make fundamental changes in what I find aesthetically pleasing to begin to appreciate what's going on here. Given enough time and effort I may be even be able to, but I'm not really up for the task.

Cliftonb, Sunday, 30 September 2012 05:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh you mean you don't like it.

Why does everyone feel the need to dress up their objections to this album. It's okay to just not like some things.

Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 05:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

If I just flat out didn't like it, I wouldn't have spent any time trying to appreciate it. I'm actually pretty neutral on the album but I feel like I'm missing the point which I'm more than happy to chalk up to a deficiency on my part.

Cliftonb, Sunday, 30 September 2012 05:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

The criticism of this video is very silly to me because the concept is very clearly get together with some Burner friends, slap on wacky costumes, dance around, and have other hijinks. I don't think a whole lot of deep thought went into it beyond that.

isn't this the exact problem with appropriation in a nutshell? being unthinking - wilfully or carelessly - about other people's cultures and treating them as "wacky" (ugh) costumes

lex pretend, Sunday, 30 September 2012 08:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

(idk whether the grimes video is guilty of this, i assume so because it fits with her persona and i don't like her)

lex pretend, Sunday, 30 September 2012 08:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

To me, the video reads a lot less like cultural appropriation and much more like a bunch of ladies getting their cosplay on for Comic Con.

Moodles, Sunday, 30 September 2012 09:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah seriously.

abcfsk, Sunday, 30 September 2012 09:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I still like Grimes' music but I can't read another word anyone has written about her.

It's like every writer feels the need to use her music or "image" as some kind of springboard to their most pretentious and self-indulgent waffle, saying nothing about her but everything about their own expectations and issues.

I suppose that's the issue raised about - that her work is quite blank, and yet gives the impression of somehow being ~important~, so everyone rushes to fill up that blankness with their own ideas of what ~importance~ is or should be.

Sexy Data Scientist (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 30 September 2012 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

isn't this the exact problem with appropriation in a nutshell? being unthinking - wilfully or carelessly - about other people's cultures and treating them as "wacky" (ugh) costumes

― lex pretend, Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:12 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

every pop video ever

Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Trying to reconcile Lex's dislike of Grimes' wackiness with the image of him wearing one of her pussy rings, isn't that the same thing?

bash with all one's might (Ówen P.), Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

??? Really?

Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well, if "putting a girl w wacky pink dreads in your video" = casual appropriation of otherness, doesn't "man wearing goofy vagina ring" kind of equal the same thing? I'm not fighting or criting anyone's right to wear vagina rings (or get Aeon Flux in your vid) I just think there's a little bit too much 'academic rhetoric' being used to justify a person's essentially visceral dislike of something. i.e. she sings like a cat but that's Not Enough, I have to frame her as being Wrong as well as being Bad.

bash with all one's might (Ówen P.), Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Erm I was kind of made to wear the vulva ring by a (female) friend who owns the thing (and likes grimes) (it was understood by all present that I do not like her music, though the ring is amusing) (the joke was kind of that I did not recognise what it was until told) (I thought it was a star wars thing at first, then a plant)

lex pretend, Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

loooool

bash with all one's might (Ówen P.), Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Better than a str8 male friend she told me about who thought it was a slug

lex pretend, Sunday, 30 September 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

Appropriation of otherness yeah ok maybe. But really what cultures is she pillaging from, what are these "others" you speak of? Is she supposed to stick with white female Canadian cultural signifiers and if so what are those?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 30 September 2012 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Maybe it will come out that she's never actually been to Burning Man.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 30 September 2012 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Or trained to use a broadsword.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 30 September 2012 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ya exactly, that piece might have made sense if everything she accused her of wasn't so damn vague. Particularly the "and even worse, she starts the video version of the song with some singing that vaguely reminds me of something middle eastern!" part

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 September 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yes! The intro really doesn't sound like anything in particular, she's just wordlessly humming into a mic.

Even if you want to say that she's stealing from Japanese culture in the video, it's hard to ignore that anime cosplay is a pretty well established thing in North America.

Moodles, Sunday, 30 September 2012 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

every post itt in the last 24 hours is great u are all otm

disclaimer i am going to link to an entirely unrelated article rn but i think that the critique of a partic strain of feminist discourse here (http://jacobinmag.com/2012/08/fairer-sex/) applies to all this hair-splitting over cultural appropriation hipster racism, too

flopson, Sunday, 30 September 2012 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

great article, thanks

Chris S, Sunday, 30 September 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's a great mag i cannot recommend it highly enough

flopson, Sunday, 30 September 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

been waiting for someone to call out all the rich white people uselessly gnawing at their own tails (to the utter indifference of actual working class people, who couldn't care less about the arbitrarily shifting boundaries of this narcissistic 'I went to college discourse') for a while. def going to follow that mag.

Chris S, Sunday, 30 September 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

all this hair-splitting over cultural appropriation hipster racism

The Shep article struck me as being a bit like academic seminars that I used to go to when doing critical theory post-grad, where one academic gave a paper and then all the other academics lined up to push their wheelbarrow and identify something the first academic had missed or glossed over.

These critiques were justifiable - as in, relevant, cogent, useful - maybe 40% of the time, which probably isn't that bad a batting average really, but the whole approach struck me as vulnerable to becoming small-minded, a process of peer-review less concerned with helping the original speaker improve their thought, but more to highlight or underscore a perceived shortcoming vis a vis the second speaker.

I was always more interested in people asking questions which drew out a point that the original speaker had made, that tried to get within the headspace of the paper - this was the real benefit (and presumably the official purpose) of the whole set-up, but it characterised a depressing minority of the actual interactions.

The reason I raise this is that it strikes me that as the distance b/w the (esp. indie-associated) artists and the people who discuss them (whether fans, critics, or the many people who hover b/w those rules) diminishes, the more a lot of the discourse starts to resemble that kind of peer review process. A video clip, a HBO TV show and a blog all exist as cultural products placing their creators on a level playing field of critical interrogation vis a vis one another. As with peer review seminars, I see the benefit of this, but it does seem to encourage a lot of self-satisfied oneup(wo)manship as well.

Tim F, Sunday, 30 September 2012 23:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Come to think of it, Bo Diddley never went to Africa either.

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 1 October 2012 01:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wish I could unsee those vulva rings.

Shh. Don't tell anyone I'm ~famous. It'll be our little secret. (Turangalila), Monday, 1 October 2012 04:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

if the video weren't problematic how would we know we're alive

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Monday, 1 October 2012 06:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tim F that's a great post

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 October 2012 15:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

if the video weren't problematic how would we know we're alive

― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Monday, October 1, 2012 12:27 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

it looks like the Target deluxe edition contains "...All," "Gravity" and

and

and

::shudder::

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol fuck wrong thread sorry

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

glad to know you're keeping tabs on grimes tho

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Miguel> Grimes

curmudgeon, Monday, 1 October 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

the threads were right next to each other on ilm new answers! i have no idea what a grimes is

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

A. Grimes

http://agrimes.bandcamp.com/track/m-i-l-f

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's how you get the first listing in the Grimes section of the yellow pages

The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

dsb, Monday, 1 October 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

sorry huge, someone below the fold probably made that reference allready anyway

dsb, Monday, 1 October 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

tim it is pretty baffling to me that you did postgraduate studies in crit theory since you are like, the clearest writer ever

flopson, Monday, 1 October 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Law was a pretty good counterweight - my problem in that dept is that I'm still too elliptical and roundabout at times.

Tim F, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

I love this portrait of Claire Boucher. Sriracha on iPad:

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess it's a good thing for music fans that they couldn't get that engine working. xp

o. nate, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
3 weeks pass...

I saw this album on a lot of year-end lists and I took a flyer on Amazon. I'm glad that I did. It reminds me of Austra, who I also adore, in that is seems perfectly accessible to me. I cannot wait to play this for the wife.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Sunday, 27 January 2013 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

TMI

zero dark (s1ocki), Sunday, 27 January 2013 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Okay somebody explain the Tumblr post/Pitchfork repost kerfluffle today; I don't quite know what happened there.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Although I see this now

http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

From what I understand, people were giving her shit for her year end list at some publication, which featured some fairly universally loved pop songs/artists. She wrote a tumblr post this morning going into a detailed defense of it. Other blogs and eventually Pitchfork picked up on it. She said her tumblr isn't any kind of offical statement or news source, and then promptly deleted everything she'd ever posted on there.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

whether or not an artist's blog post is legitimate news from a news org's perspective is one question... i don't really agree with grimes tho

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol tumblr

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Weird, I was reading that Tumblr post 30 minutes or so. Seemed relatively uncontroversial stuff, but then young ppl I guess.

eskimo table (seandalai), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

gotta lock up yr diaryland, grimes

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp j0rdan u don't agree that listening to pop music is ok?

flopson, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol, not that part

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

<3 grimes

乒乓, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

man that's really sad. i just read the pitchfork thing, she is smart & says good stuff.

schlump, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah

flopson, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Biggups Grimes! I don't care much for your music but you sure know yr onions.

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^ sticker quote

zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

Attacking her for these opinions is bullshit

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

leave britney alone

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't care much for your music but you sure know yr onions.

yes

ron paulstretch (crüt), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

& I don't care much for the music she's defending but I "get it" and am glad it exists

ron paulstretch (crüt), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like that she sees her creative process as swinging between making Dune albums and LOTR albums

Moodles, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

didn't grimes recently say she'll be posting to her tumblr a lot more often for the fans? seems a little strange to go from that to deleting every post you've made

☕ (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

what is grimes hiding?

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

you can't hide from internet caches, "grimes"

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

It seems weird to delete your whole Tumblr just because someone publishes your intelligent points at length and in context but then she's smart, intense and volatile so I guess it fits.

Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think she did because people were being dicks

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh, I thought she wrote it in response to people being dicks about her EOY list.

Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

afaik people never stop being dicks.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, it's fair game for her to take it down. it sucks for the rest of us, but clearly many people on the Internet are massive dicks who think we don't deserve intelligent discourse.

ron paulstretch (crüt), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

the only rule is don't be a dick

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

too many dicks

Moodles, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

xposts. four "dicks" posts in a row. sorry for the gendered language.

xposts again.

ron paulstretch (crüt), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

dicks will never stop being dicks on the internet

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

mydickband

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Her EOY list contained Bieber, massive dick attractor.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

i was listening to 'visions' this morning on the turntable, my kid was going back and forth from speaker to speaker laying his hands on the sound vibrations. he loves it.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

my 2yo daughter likes it too but the one song that starts with a loud robot voice scares her

dmr, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

It freaked me out a bit too at first, if I wasn't expecting it.

What was the actual list?

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Feel a bit sketchy posting this when she's taken it down, but what the hell it's only a list:

best songs of 2012

Psy - Gangnam Style

Major Lazer - get free

Lana Del Rey - ride, National Anthem, Summertime Sadness

Usher - Climax

Bieber - beauty and a beat

Carly rae - call me maybe

Haim - forever

Taylor Swift - Trouble

Kitty Pryde - okay cupid

did anything else really good come out in 2012?

————————————————-

OKAY i totally forgot about julia holter — i think four gardens is just an incredible song and the first version of goddess eyes.

Also doldrums… altho maybe that record isn’t out

also what that was by majical cloudz. <3

also i just want to say i love the swans record, but there obviously aren’t ‘singles’ haha.

eskimo table (seandalai), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Good list. People are dicks.

Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I suppose you could read "did anything else really good come out in 2012?" as an invitation to troll, although she may well have meant it as a genuine q to her fans.

She is right about "Four Gardens", although now I've seen it performed live with drum & bass interludes I wish Julia would release an expanded/updated version.

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

she chose the wrong bieber single!

still don't fully get why the only excellent thing she's done caused such delete-my-tumblr drama

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 08:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

obv the people who were being dicks to her need to be shot

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 08:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ignore the trolls is something all post-internet musicians need to learn.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 February 2013 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

LOL at Tumblr drama. Is Grimes still in high school?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

actually she appears to be one of the few who isn't

r|t|c, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

ageists

dog latin, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

i reassert what i said on the poll thread, that grimes seems a prime WKIW candidate or dinner party invitee, despite her own music being so irritating

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, she seems great. Why is she wasting time on tumblr or whatever? Step away from the computer, Grimes.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

she wasn't wasting her time, she posted a pretty good EOY list and a great defence of it. better than the music she makes when she's not fucking around online.

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, but she seems really sensitive to run of the mill online buffoonery (unlike, say, you, or many of us here). Ergo, step away from the computer, Grimes. Your year-end list was neither interesting nor controversial enough to warrant the drama.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

erm when someone is the victim of people being dicks the people to criticise are the dicks not the victim

if grimes wishes to enjoy herself online why shouldn't she? people shouldn't fucking harass her.

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

erm when someone is the victim of people being dicks the people to criticise are the dicks not the victim

It's pretty implicit that the dicks are dicks. That's why they're called dicks. Doesn't mean the dicks will go away, ever. 98% of internet traffic is due or dedicated to dicks.

if grimes wishes to enjoy herself online why shouldn't she? people shouldn't fucking harass her.

Of course Grimes can do whatever she wants. Also, people will fucking harass her.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe if people were less accepting of dicks being dicks and awful harassment occurring, it would be harder for those people to continue doing it

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wouldn't that be great.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

lolling at the irony

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Aware of irony and it is still funny.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

;) anyway, I like this move, good for Grimes

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

I came in pretty late to the whole Grimes & friends tumblr diaspora late last year and really enjoyed reading and seeing what she'd post. I think she uses tumblr, and the web in general, as more of a learning and artistic tool to communicate and tease out ideas in a way that I envy. I mean, if it's a waste of time, is making music a waste of time, too? Because in work that's mostly a solo effort, there's a pretty strong extension of personality and whatever you're doing to elaborate on and extend that personality is relevant to your art, let alone personal life.

Wiping the slate clean is completely her prerogative, though, and I think there's no harm there. If anything, that's just another form of expression.

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

on a quick side-note: flamboyant goon tie, is your ilx account wired up to an email account you use? I might send you a message, I think you are going to be in my general neighborhood in a couple months.

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes it is, go for it

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Your year-end list was neither interesting nor controversial enough to warrant the drama.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:19 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think this is missing the point rather neatly

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

to be honest, I'm just making trouble. I haven't been following this. But I do think the Internet is funny.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

*shoes you away with broom*

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

That list isn't really that bad at all.

Now if she was repping for fellow Canadian Shawn Desman, then I would be questioning her sanity.

MarkoP, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hey now Shawn has done a lot of good things for people in this country

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

if grimes wishes to enjoy herself online why shouldn't she? people shouldn't fucking harass her.

People shouldn't but they will. People harass on the internet, it is a fact. You can't stop it. Add to that the fact that people harass those that are in the public sphere to a far greater extent. Really the only thing to do is ignore it. Do you stop making music when you read a bad review of something you've done? No. You got to have faith in your own shit.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hm I don't really have enough investment in this to go out on a limb to fully elucidate why I disagree with what you just posted, Adam, but the basic gist of my disagreement is that you're asking Grimes-the-person to exist in an emotional vacuum, to isolate herself from the internet-as-dialogue. I can't really put words in her mouth or the mouth of her conspirators, but my takeaway from her and her crew has been that they deliberately seek to maintain a position of mutual respect and dialogue between audience, critical complex and self. I loved, for example, that she smilingly and apologetically admitted to making Visions in Garageband. Although the aesthetic appeal of artists-who-don't-give-a-fuck is undeniable, her sensitivity to criticism and willingness to respond reads to me as self-respect.

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

She should chat with Amanda Palmer. There's a whole thread on ILX designed just to make fun of her and her dialogue with audience.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think you can respect yourself and your audience and still realize that trolls exist and they aren't your audience.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

my whole introduction to Grimes at some point in the past year was as some DIVISIVE ARTIST who some people apparently made a big deal of saying was overrated or untalented or whatever. i have very little firsthand exposure to that invective, and didn't feel very strongly either way about the couple most popular singles of hers that i've heard. but i guess she's getting a lot of aggression from somewhere, and i imagine whatever the pushback was on something as harmless as a defense of "Gangnam Style" must've just been the straw that broke the camel's back. seems kinda silly to have a site, with the same name you release records under, and then take umbrage when sites that praise your music quote it, but maybe she didn't get a lot of bile for that post until Pitchfork ran their story? i dunno, it's still rough out there for people straddling the indie/pop divide i guess.

dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

actually, i suspect she is NOT getting "a lot of aggression". rather, that she has very thin skin.

sean gramophone, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

That she writes and records all these songs herself and plays shows by herself is some cool stuff btw,

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i dunno! maybe she saw 2 derisive tweets and got upset, maybe a shitload of people sent her nasty personal emails, i really have no idea.

dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

ppl are very nasty on the internet particularly towards women so i would give her the benefit of the doubt.

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

90% of the comments i saw on the gawker story about this were about her appearance and why gawker couldn't find a nicer picture of her to run with the post

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think it was with the sudden transformation of "a tumblr post" into "a Pitchfork headline", not necessarily trolls, who I feel she deals with gracefully.

Oh please don't let's mention AP in this thread I can't deal with that

I agree w Sean it's obvious she has a thin skin but shit who doesn't

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

That was an xp

It's an interesting thing with Grimes bc I'm not a #1 fan of the album "Visions" (this is hardly relevant and I love the singles) but I feel more compelled to defend her than many other artists and I'm not sure why, I don't think it's "Canadian" or "female" or "independent". Actually, maybe it is the independent part. And I love the live show. And the "Oblivion" video. Hm I dunno, I'm just extra "haters step off" about her. Maybe I just think she's cute, ew

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Grimes isn't a part of ILX, just bcz she voices some opinions on music doesnt mean ppl are entitled to give her tons of shit

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://deadgirlfriends.tumblr.com/post/39420019737/how-do-you-feel-about-trolls

― markers, Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:19 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^she should've just re-posted this tbh

Roz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

my 8yo daughter is super into the grimes LP and as far as independence goes yeah I think she's a pretty good role model

also temperamental artist deletes tumblr in temperamental fit of pique should be filed under things that could be an onion article, I don't get what the big deal is

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't know that she's done anything that indicates she's being thin-skinned? She had a space where she could ruminate on ideas and post stuff she likes and interact with others and the context changed so she changed how she uses it.

This isn't like beyonce pulling beyonce.com off the internet or anything.

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

@ roz yeah that's pretty much the best post ever

I don't tumbl so I don't know if it's a thing, but is a "p.s. pls don't reblog this" message a thing that people do?

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hm I don't really have enough investment in this to go out on a limb to fully elucidate why I disagree with what you just posted, Adam, but the basic gist of my disagreement is that you're asking Grimes-the-person to exist in an emotional vacuum, to isolate herself from the internet-as-dialogue. I can't really put words in her mouth or the mouth of her conspirators, but my takeaway from her and her crew has been that they deliberately seek to maintain a position of mutual respect and dialogue between audience, critical complex and self. I loved, for example, that she smilingly and apologetically admitted to making Visions in Garageband. Although the aesthetic appeal of artists-who-don't-give-a-fuck is undeniable, her sensitivity to criticism and willingness to respond reads to me as self-respect.

― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:50 (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a banging post

attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

I get lex's point that bullies shouldn't get a free pass but idk when somebody invents the delete troll horde button for the internet we'll let him push it first

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I am basically super-uncomfortable whenever people get victim-blamey. And yes focusing on HER "thin skin" or saying SHE should modify her behaviour is victim-blaming. Also, dicks behave atrociously to even the most minor public figure and to musicians in every genre space; it's not about her indie/pop straddling.

Basically Grimes is not actually the problem here. I don't know whether internet dickishness can be stopped but at the very least if you're going to make even the tiniest effort to express an opinion on this matter, that's who you should be focusing on

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mean I know merely posting "people shouldn't be dicks" will not make it so, but...posting "people should just get a thicker skin" is not gonna make that so either. And only one of those things is actually shitty behaviour

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

also temperamental artist deletes tumblr in temperamental fit of pique should be filed under things that could be an onion article, I don't get what the big deal is

ya seriously, i don't think it shows her being an oversensitive flower or anything. and I read her blog sometimes, get the sense that she and elite gymnastics' james get a lot of trolls hassling them all the time and they usually deal with it pretty well.

otoh some days, the internet is just too much and you just gotta delete yr blog/stop posting on ilx.

Roz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

never

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

also I agree with lex, victim blamers need die in a fire after being shot at and then exterminated

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

fwiw, she's clarified that it was really about Pitchfork publishing her comments:

hey it’s claire

So I’m pretty new to this whole thing and I apologize if I behaved rashly or offended anyone.

Despite the fact that I can be outspoken, I’m a very private person.

I started that tumblr specifically to have a ‘non-official’ platform to voice my opinions. Obviously this was naive of me and i should have known how it would turn out. but i guess i just grew up on the internet and the internet is where i do things. its been intense to become a part of the content on the internet rather than just a passive observer.

I definitely meant what I said concerning beyonce, psy etc. and I’ve put that post back up (below) because I dont want my words to be taken out of context.

but i couldn’t handle my personal website becoming a content farm. My passive thoughts are not official statements.

i just need to have a normal life right now. I’m trying to write my record and I’ve never tried to make art with so many people watching. I love writing, but this tumblr is making things hard concerning my record.

I’ll start writing here again once I finished. I also just need to fully process having a ‘public life’. I haven’t parsed all this stuff yet and it’s been a real shock to the system.

again, I apologize if I upset anyone or reacted immaturely. I’m simultaneously honoured that something I say could get so much attention. I’m just not quite used to it yet. <3

x

c

Roz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

also I agree with lex, victim blamers need die in a fire after being shot at and then exterminated

― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, February 7, 2013 1:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

then you'd blame them for bringing the fire on themselves, and then it would be your turn

dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

Haha her hostility to content farming-as-journalism is another pt in her favour

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

My estimation of Grimes just hot up another 400% I think. This whole thing, as well as bringing up the rockism debate again, is interesting because of the idea of people 'watching' the creative process. With my own fledgling band we are toying with this idea - showing people the inner workings of our songs, often before they're recorded. Beatles Anthology before Love Me Do, of you will. While musicians have always had to cope with intrusion on their private lives, it's now difficult for even the more retiring artists who still want a 'normal' net presence to operate properly. If you use the net for creative inspiration, how do you stop it coming round to bite you in the arse?

dog latin, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sorry about typos - iPhone shite

dog latin, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Grimes isn't a part of ILX

the word “rockism” is often used as critical shorthand for

Pretty close!

badg, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

that was a good follow-up post she wrote.

my comment re "thin skinned" is from encounters with Claire irl!

sean gramophone, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

it can be neutral but that phrase is generally seen as a negative and not very complimentary, though

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

she's had some rough shit in her life iirc + recent rape threats from trolls

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

but she's probably thin-skinned

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd just like to add that EG James is one of my favourite musicians online

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

I just assumer Claire is sensitive/thin-skinned/whatever adjective you want to use for "has feelings", seeing as she's gone from playing to two people at SXSW to being the face of Versace in two years, it'd be a waste of meteoric success if she were aloof

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like how she's handling this, tbh, and deleting her tumblr page seems like an awesome great first step.

Re: blaming the victim, I totally get it. But I hesitate to call her a victim of anything serious (or unique, alas) enough to warrant invoking that word. It reminds me of the hit movie "Twister" - remember that one? - where people with cameras chase tornados, and then get stuck in tornados. Or "Jaws IV: The Revenge," where Mrs. Brody sees the shark, takes a boat out into the open sea to follow it, and then is relentlessly attacked by the shark. The internet is full of twisters and sharks and dicks and trolls. They seem to be attracted to public or semi-public figures like ants (those assholes!) to picnics. I should say that in no way does she seem thin skinned in this affair at all. She's just figuring out how to deal with it. But to claim a public website or whatever is somehow such an essential component of her music making abilities or creativity is to undersell/undervalue those very things. It may be a parallel creative component or outlet or whatever, but she does not need it, so good for her for recognizing that a break is in order.

Still find it hilarious that anyone (and in this case I guess I mean the people saying mean things about her?) would be so reactionary about Grimes liking Psy or Beyonce or Mariah Carey.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mean I know merely posting "people shouldn't be dicks" will not make it so, but...posting "people should just get a thicker skin" is not gonna make that so either. And only one of those things is actually shitty behaviour

― lex pretend, Thursday, February 7, 2013 1:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol @ josh being all, i'm not gonna blame the victim *blames victim*

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

also, i don't know the exact nature of what people have been saying to grimes this week, but if it's even 1/100th of what any woman with a moderate public profile receives as a matter of course NO ONE should be throwing around an adjective like "thin-skinned"

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

"she's not much of a victim of anything, she's like those people who were killed in tornadoes! not victims of anything, those guys"

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

also, i don't know the exact nature of what people have been saying to grimes this week, but if it's even 1/100th of what any woman with a moderate public profile receives as a matter of course NO ONE should be throwing around an adjective like "thin-skinned"

― lex pretend, Thursday, February 7, 2013 2:50 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ that's what im saying

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

josh how grimes handles this is literally irrelevant, she can handle it exactly as she pleases and how she feels would be best for her

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah see i suspect grimes to get to the point she is at, hugely acclaimed artist, doing it by herself, dealing with people who clearly didn't believe she could do it along the way...i suspect toughness is not her problem. but little things do build up over time and people get pissed and sometimes, amazingly, delete their blogs.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

even if she's very easily offended or prone to overreacting in real life, I see absolutely no evidence of that here and I honestly wish I was nearly as contemplative in my reactions and thoughts. and I don't even have anyone hounding me or caring what I think.

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

not that this isn't part of real life!

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

really wish I hadn't actually seen her list

ron paulstretch (crüt), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

josh how grimes handles this is literally irrelevant, she can handle it exactly as she pleases and how she feels would be best for her

No, I insist she take my advice. Do you have a way I can contact her? I know what's best for her.

Seriously, I think this whole thing transcends blame the victim. I feel like we're all victimized by this stuff all the time, in a sense. If someone told me when I was little that one of my favorite artists would not only have a portal that provided a direct link but would actively encourage free (in every sense) communication, I would not have believed you. If someone then said such a thing would be ruined by assholes writing in hateful and hurtful shit just because it's easy and anonymous, young me would have asked why the fuck anyone would do that? It makes me sad. Sort of recalls the ground zero of this sort of thing, of Bob Dylan trying to live a normal public life, and that getting fucked up by psycho fans going through his mail, dropping in on him at home, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's true. you are actually the victim in this situation.

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think I'm going to blog about it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Josh I don't agree with what you're saying but I do think you're expressing a globally accepted consensus opinion about people in the public eye, "you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen". I think it's nonsense but here I am also expressing opinions online about public figures

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think it's possible to disagree strongly in the abstract, but reality dictates this shit will never go away. Internet comments are the least of it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

cannot stand the "bad thing [x] will never go away so we should just accept & tolerate it" mindset

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, me neither.Lex, let's you and I get together to make sure this kind of thing never happens again.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

the best I can do is not do that s*** myself, and teach my kids not to do it either.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Android, taking the first step by censoring my writing.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mean, that stuff thousands of people have to go through on a daily basis via via the Internet infuriates me, but I honestly don't know what the solution is.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm honestly scared s******* at what my daughters will have to go through in just a few years. but short of cutting them off from the internet I'm not sure what I can do.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

this situation seems to me an example of somebody making the inevitable just that much easier. unfortunately.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

lmao does android actually censor when you type the wort shit

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

It does! Sometimes. When I do it by voice.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

There is the part where she isn't actually sure that blogging is helpful to what she does, it feels like she was thinking about closing the tumblr and that the trolling was the final straw.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

5*** 3*** 7*** 1*** exp **/13

omg android is amazing

a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

lex be honest how many people have you sent death threats to for having "Gangnam Style" on their EOY list

dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

all of them, twice -_-

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

uh not the trolling, but because her posts were being used in a way she didn't intend them to be. which is a perfectly valid reason to delete one's blog imo.

xposts lmao lex

Roz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

man, if only there was a place on the web where I could interact as just a fellow human being with musicians who have had critically acclaimed work

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wait, are you saying we should invite Grimes to 77

how's life, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

we're... not on 77 right now

* mind blown *

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh man, I don't know why I said that. I hope Grimes googlers don't start coming around and asking questions.

how's life, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

they seem to have calmed down, the Ned googlers haven't tried setting up any shrines for him on ILE for a few years

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

beyonce posted here as dom passantino for years before she was banned

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Been thinking earlier today that Grimes would fit in pretty well here between being amazing.

eskimo table (seandalai), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

wkiw claire

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

yep

markers, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not sure who is arguing for her playing the victim but either there are plenty of strawmen here or some words have been misunderstood. I was just trying to tell her what i would tell any stranger, friend, or family member to do about internet trolls: ignore them. There is no magic internet troll b gone button....yet.

It's kind of a mute issue now that she's taken it down. Personal webspace turning into office public space is a tough thing to deal with I imagine. If you're recording and playing shows and all it's much easier to just tune it out and focus on what's important at the moment.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

And then we can look forward to seeing more posts turned into pitchfork headlines

Moodles, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Xpost

Moodles, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

she could post as "underrated beyonce singles i have blogged"

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

She won't show up if you keep saying nice things about her

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

"flamboyant pussy ring included"

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Friday, 8 February 2013 01:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

whooooa Tim!

mh, Friday, 8 February 2013 02:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

they seem to have calmed down, the Ned googlers haven't tried setting up any shrines for him on ILE for a few years

...there's a vision.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2013 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Local band/AmRep types Supernova once threatened to write a song about me called "My Name is Ned," while my friend Grady in Chicago wants to do the same. I say bring it on. FEED MY EGO!

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:00 PM (11 years ago)

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 8 February 2013 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

And? DID YOU?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2013 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

full disclosure: today is the first time I've actually felt compelled to give Visions a listen

Drugs A. Money, Friday, 8 February 2013 06:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

better late than never

markers, Friday, 8 February 2013 06:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey it’s claire

I've had a really hard time with all of this but if it means that Drugs A Money has finally listened to my album Visions then i guess it's all been worth it.

x
c

Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/44487022558

markers, Sunday, 3 March 2013 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Sunday, 3 March 2013 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

Amazon is bad for people prone to options paralysis

markers, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

woops -- that's part of someone else's post that i was responding to by modifying on 77.

markers, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

here's what i mean to post here: http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/44867177213/tried-to-read-the-news-depressed-meticulously

markers, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

awww

hurricane weather (forapper), Saturday, 9 March 2013 23:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/45754437785

markers, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Seems like Grimes enjoys herself a good cat gif. She's not so unlike the rest of us after all!

Moodles, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have a blood feud with senorgif, who has never acknowledged my existence. (senor gif likes to steal gifs from people, without attribution, put his own watermark on them, and then post them to wider fame and glory on the icanhazcheezburger network.)

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

so they're the ebaumsworld of 2013, those assholes

☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

btw, on a grimes related note, i listened to Visions very loudly again two nights ago, and it's still so great. blows my mind that some people can't pick out the melodies. "Vowels = Space and Time", for example, is practically like earlyish madonna

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost yeah. what irked me is that i wrote him a very polite message, asking if he could please include a link to my website because i was a fledgling tumblrer with about 20 followers at the time. no response.

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/319630110389059584

markers, Thursday, 4 April 2013 03:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol @ eating paint. but mostly I just wanted to revive this thread to meaninglessly praise the album, which is my favorite album of the past few years... so pleasurable on an immediate level, yet still "layered" enough to reward repeat listenings. also, for me, there is a very addictive sense of "spaciousness" to the sound of the thing: the ethereal vocals seem to "hover" far above the dancey bass and percussion of the instrumentals. the only album in my collection i think i've played more often is exile on main street.

severely depressed robots are "twee" (Pat Finn), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

For me it's the gaggle of Grimeses chattering out each line, and the run from Crystal Ball (track 5) through Symphonia IX (8). Really captures that late-night euphoric feeling.

hurricane weather (forapper), Thursday, 11 April 2013 10:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I think Vowels = Space and Time is within that stretch of tracks, and that is my number one most played song on itunes. That song especially, but many of the others too, has an R&B "warmth" to it that I think is really captivating, and somewhat unexpected among the other sounds in her toolkit. But yeah, I do agree with you that there is something very nocturnal about the sound of this album, and even "depersonalized" in the way darkness/sleep/danceclubs can be, but the album is still...somehow... i guess the word is "intimate", and very personal. I guess I can tell this is a personal album, or at least one that is personally meaningful to me, because Grimes is one of the few artists where I get bummed out when I hear her criticized.

severely depressed robots are "twee" (Pat Finn), Thursday, 11 April 2013 16:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

sweet.

Pat Finn, Monday, 15 April 2013 03:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

adorbies

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean, katy perry is otm. grimes is super endearing.

Pat Finn, Monday, 15 April 2013 03:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

'adorbies'? fucking hell i hate this world. embarrassing.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 15 April 2013 09:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's an apt word for grimes tbh

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Monday, 15 April 2013 09:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

just let my love adorbz u

r|t|c, Monday, 15 April 2013 09:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

perhaps, but isn't it a little undignified to see an adult use that kind of work?

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 15 April 2013 10:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't think lex disagrees with you

Tim F, Monday, 15 April 2013 10:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes that's what i was getting at

it's a horrible word that makes my skin crawl and is entirely appropriate in this case

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Monday, 15 April 2013 10:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Quiet lol at the slow transition from indifferent to "makes my skin crawl".

Tim F, Monday, 15 April 2013 10:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

the dignity of katy perry

r|t|c, Monday, 15 April 2013 10:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

By E.L. James.

Tim F, Monday, 15 April 2013 11:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

just let my love adorbz u

― r|t|c, Monday, April 15, 2013 5:39 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

race to see who comes up wtih the first adorn / dr. morbius dn

乒乓, Monday, 15 April 2013 12:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

dammit, was coming here to post "adorbius" in response to lex's grousing

anyway, you can hardly fault katy's use of the word. language very much in character.

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 12:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, adorbies is a gross word. also it's sort of condescending to call grimes "adorable", i feel like, maybe, even though she is.

Pat Finn, Monday, 15 April 2013 13:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

definitely something that needs a lot more analysis, i think we can all agree on that

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

I need further evidence, maybe a video clip of ms. perry dancing to grimes' set

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

lactating forth the lyrics to oblivion in letters of flame

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

you saw that katy perry video where fireworks shoot out of her breasts too, huh?

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

damn, you're on a roll today, huh?

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 14:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

going for the brass zing and shit. adorbies.

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Monday, 15 April 2013 14:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

Adorbies: sometimes you don't even have to say a (real) word to enrage thousands

Drugs A. Money, Monday, 15 April 2013 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

now you've done it

Dr. Adorbius (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyone else notice "right meow" replacing "right now" w/ young women on the internet or is that just my friends

ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 15 April 2013 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

real people don't say that

markers, Monday, 15 April 2013 18:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

isn't that from Super Troopers or something?

how's life, Monday, 15 April 2013 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

yup!

Dr. Adorbius (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Adorbies is less condescending than adorable because it has ironic distance baked in

hurricane weather (forapper), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

"right meow" is totes adorblez

Moodles, Monday, 15 April 2013 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

and by "adorblez" you mean revolting, i assume

Pat Finn, Monday, 15 April 2013 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'll let you make that call

Moodles, Monday, 15 April 2013 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oblivion worked great for my morning running today

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 01:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think the songs "vanessa" and "crystal ball" from darkbloom, the collaborative album she did with d'Eon, would be ideal for running. this is just speculation though because i don't really exercise.

authentically inauthentic (Pat Finn), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 03:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh come on

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 03:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

irl lol though

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 03:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

:-)

authentically inauthentic (Pat Finn), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 04:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

hah Right Meow! Quick, someone do a Van Halen/Internet cats mashup

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

everything she writes on her tumblr is awesome and makes me wish i could stand her music

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 10:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Man, she's a hero.

how's life, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 10:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

!

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 11:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, I hope that lots and lots of people are listening to her and thinking about what she's saying.

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

i love her so much

monotony, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

she's just the best.

Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

i dont want to be molested at shows or on the street by people who perceive me as an object that exists for their personal satisfaction

just for everyone who is expressing concern about a few things that weren’t super clear in my last tumblr post:

a) meeting fans is actually incredibly rewarding for me so im gonna keep doing that and if u see me on the street its like, totally fine to say hi :)

do these reconcile?

rather ugged man (zvookster), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes

Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

everything she writes on her tumblr is awesome and makes me wish i could stand her music

― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:32 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm!!!

the Upperchest (crüt), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think her music is great and the fact that she is actually cool is just a bonus

Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

i didn't know anything about her when i first heard visions

Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

do these reconcile?

― rather ugged man (zvookster), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 08:58 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes

― Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 08:58 (2 minutes ago)

^just the sort of person i'd worry aboout

rather ugged man (zvookster), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

dude, if she is sitting next to you on a plane, or in front of you on line for qdoba or wherever grimes eats feel free to say "hi, i'm zvookster. you're claire, right?" but if she looks busy don't run up and ambush her and make her day weird. the distinction seems obvious.

Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

That intro line does sound a bit weirder than simply saying "hey I appreciate your work

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

I also read the word "molested" here as meaning specifically inappropriate physical contact.

Moodles, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

My cheerleading for Visions was def mitigated by a love of her live show and personal outlook

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

wait they made you mitigate your cheerleading?

乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sorry, no antonyms for mitigate can be found

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

magnified? enhanced? driven?

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

no DJP. sometimes there is no other option than saying the oppoiste of what you mean and praying your message will get across

Pat Finn, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost justified

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

no DJP. sometimes there is no other option than saying the oppoiste of what you mean and praying your message will get across

I often feel like adopting this as a personal mantra

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Op-Poiste

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

I misused the word "mitigate", but I think I subconsciously chose that word because I was hoping to imply that my opinion of "Visions" today was considerably less vociferous than it was a year ago

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

or perhaps you never mitigate you didn't enter

乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

pretty big difference between "hey, I saw your show last week, it was great!" and "OMG GRIMES YOU ARE SO CUTE CAN I GET A PICTURE WITH YOU?" *drapes arm around her shoulder*

Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm curious why would anyone be offended by a bindi? Some are pretty nice.

Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

cries of cultural appropriation, I'd think

Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Everything we wear and do is appropriated from somewhere. The idea of exclusive ownership of cultural symbols is kinda offensive too.

Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

god some of yall are dumb

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

what do you think of that dude at coachella wearing a faux-native american headdress?

Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

well sanpaku is a super-rational-bordering-on-savantism dude so i wouldn't really have expected better

乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

* shrugs *

Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

The idea of exclusive ownership of cultural symbols is kinda offensive too

white privilege in a nutshell innit

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Look, we've had 10s of 1000s of generations of tribal warfare based in part on cultural identifiers like this. I just think the sooner we drop the idea that these things are exclusively owned and building fences between tribes the better off we'll all be.

The white guy with dreads isn't mocking or stealing from the rasta, he's just paying homage and looking a bit silly.

Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

You have tried to insert a duplicate message.

Return to Front Page

乒乓, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

Grimes is, except for maybe Pynchon, probably the single public figure of some note that I most wished posted on here

Drugs A. Money, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Um, 'wished' shouldn't be past tense

Drugs A. Money, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm not sure what's so amazing about her latest tumblr post? i mean i understand and sympathize with what she's saying, it just doesn't sound particularly remarkable to mr

the late great, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

to me, i meant

the late great, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

mr. the late great

how's life, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah I think it's slightly sad that they're seen as revolutionary and SO amazing etc - it should be obvious and taken for granted! - but she's right and unfortunately in our present cultural moment it needs to be said

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

I also read the word "molested" here as meaning specifically inappropriate physical contact.

― Moodles, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 14:14

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/326888946023923712

markers, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

so it's because she's famous? feel like my female friends (musicians and non-musicians) have all expressed similar sentiments, usually w better grammar and punctuation.

maybe i should drop this line of inquiry, i'm going to sound like i'm hating on grimes when really i don't mind her at all

the late great, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess as lex says these things need to be said by more famous people so no reason to look too deeply into why this particular blog post resonated

the late great, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

there you go

how's life, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yep. Her message stands out because her message reaches eat more people than your musician and non-musician friends, and because most well-known musicians have nothing useful to say

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

true dat

the late great, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

okay someone needs to stop her before her messages eat more poor unsuspecting people

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah her being famous plays a part, this is obvious, we really don't need to "look deeply" into why people are linking to this instead of tlg's mates

what's the crime, mr rolf? (wins), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think we all need to "look deeply" at each other on this thread.

*looks*

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

grammar and punctuation just don't have the cache they used to xp

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah I dont know what ahppened

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

clicked on thread thinking 'this is ilx, not all 50 new posts will be high fiving over how badass that tumblr post was' but is it e'en so ilx is it e'en so

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

It was a badass tumblr post hoos.

how's life, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

<3 tina, <3 grimes, <3 magic high 5

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's a good day to be alive

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

Can we go back to the bindi thing for a second?

Does no one else think it's semi-problematic that she is not allowed to wear something that has morphed into something of a fashion statement even though she grew up in a household with family members from the originating culture? Like, shouldn't the connections in her own family to the culture surrounding bindis trump anonymous people getting huffy on the Internet?

I mean, I am not criticizing her desire not to offend anyone but this seems like something where the people getting mad should maybe find out something about her first?

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that's kinda how I feel too but it's a very gray area to be sure

乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Our mutaween has extensive training in taking offence, and knowing which cultural appropriations, and which directions of cultural appropriation, are appropriate.

Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh fuck off

乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sort of seems like she's getting more and more famous, now she's a target for the .001% of people that would genuinely get upset at this, and the .001% of people that fake being upset at it for pageviews.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

adam i'm glad you're tireless at ferretting out people's true intentions on the internet, we need more people like you, keep tumblr honest gj

乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

"and from then on, 4/25 became celebrated as 'Dayo Go Ham Day'"

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pretty much in every cultural context: culinary, music, clothing, language, etc. cultural cross-fertilization is IMO a very good thing. Our lives are enriched by it. Part of post-colonialism is seeing memes (Dawkin sense) from former colonies return and conquer the former colonial powers.

The bindi isn't just a religious symbol, its also a philosophical one, and also just plain decorative, and has been appropriated through a span of territories from Persia through Tibet and onto Korea, in places divorced from original context in the subcontinent.

As far as I'm concerned, poor Grimes was beset by some trust-fund cultural studies majors. And in like fashion, bit by bit, our lives become less rich.

Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

乒乓 is doing the people's work

mh, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

also, Grimes is in MTL afaik and there is a lot of reasonable historical baggage about cultural repression and appropriation in the culture there by nature

mh, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Grimes could have helped heal those wounds.

Gukbe, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow i feel like i have my first ilx troll im so honored

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

DJP otm

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

If you want to fight the 'cultural appropriation' fight, I don't mind. However, I don't think Grimes is the most revelant target.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

no one wants to fight that, literally no one

mh, Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that's kinda how I feel too but it's a very gray area to be sure

― 乒乓,

^ just can't see past colour imo

The Finnish Question........after question......after question....a (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 April 2013 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

the only colour i see is green

乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

how many shades

The Finnish Question........after question......after question....a (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

50, bad boy ;)

乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

you guys are micrometers away from horrible Kermit/Ms Piggy S&M pr0n; tread lightly

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

everyone please apologize for your posts

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

the true villain btw is gwen stefani

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

my refs are clear, as is my conscience

The Finnish Question........after question......after question....a (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

your browser cache, tho...

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

good call, just cleared it

The Finnish Question........after question......after question....a (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't care if you're green, green, green, or...

supermassive pot hole (seandalai), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

gwem stefani has done a lot for this town

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 25 April 2013 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

tumblr post now up on Salon

Moodles, Friday, 26 April 2013 01:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

can't wait to read the comments. first one i see:

i am a narcissistic screwball

i am neither as hot nor as important as i think i am

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 26 April 2013 02:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

while we're there:

A “Bones” star’s controversial vegan pregnancy

contenderizer, Friday, 26 April 2013 02:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah sweet salon

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 26 April 2013 04:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

one particular user commenting on the article is clearly literally insane.

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 26 April 2013 05:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

stop jonny stop

you say potatooles (onimo), Friday, 26 April 2013 13:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

jesus christ

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, 26 April 2013 13:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I Googled him and found his twitter. Then I stepped away.

you say potatooles (onimo), Friday, 26 April 2013 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

people should be talking about this too

http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/48892942928

markers, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

i also just wanna say that I love adult cat finder

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

one particular user commenting on the article is clearly literally insane.

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, April 26, 2013 1:03 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark

i thought this guy was that other person that sometimes posts here

乒乓, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

markers, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's better.

Gukbe, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

good commercial, but a little weird that it's for Vampire Weekend and not Grimes

Moodles, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

also, I think I like her tumblr better than her album

Moodles, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

she REALLY looks like winona ca. beetlejuice there. which is to say: yowza.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

she is tired of creeps like you yowzaing at her on the internet

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

i retract my yowza

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 26 April 2013 21:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

the most noble of yowza retractions.

the kind of man who best draws girls' eyeballs (Merdeyeux), Friday, 26 April 2013 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

mr. elite gynmastics is here companion in the that clip

ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

comedy.

ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

jesus vampire weekend is so boring i don't blame grimes for dodging that party

Pat Finn, Saturday, 27 April 2013 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

TELL me about it

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Saturday, 27 April 2013 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

i retract my yowza

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, April 26, 2013 9:23 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

amazing post

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 April 2013 05:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

seeing that advert with the elite gymnastics dude is weird cos he once wrote a tumblr post about me lol

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Sunday, 28 April 2013 12:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

"well, he likes vampire weekend, but, um..."

controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Sunday, 28 April 2013 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

i would go to an easter party if grimes and steve buscemi were in attendance, even if vampire weekend was also there

Pat Finn, Sunday, 28 April 2013 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

hanging out in a park with grimes talking about why you wouldnt go to parties sounds even more fun

ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 29 April 2013 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink





markers, Monday, 29 April 2013 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

all those zingers directed at VW.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 29 April 2013 18:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

deer otm

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 29 April 2013 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

just noticed this. it must be new

http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/heroes

markers, Saturday, 4 May 2013 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

interesting list. if i were her i wouldn't have put nietzsche on the top, much as i love reading him, because it makes it seem like she might be a megalomaniac. the people i've known who were REALLY into nietzsche didn't seem as chill as grimes

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Saturday, 4 May 2013 02:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hype Williams :(

Gukbe, Saturday, 4 May 2013 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

which one

mh, Saturday, 4 May 2013 03:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh right

Gukbe, Saturday, 4 May 2013 03:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Lol @ "Khaleesi"

Tim F, Saturday, 4 May 2013 04:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

nietzsche on top is super cool, esp alongside the rest of the list. ian mackaye is the one that'd i'd be wary of

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 4 May 2013 04:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

like grimes, he's guilty of being white

controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 May 2013 06:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Moodles, Saturday, 4 May 2013 12:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

why would you be wary of ian mackaye?

jay-z's ansari (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2013 12:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

So annoying contenderizer, ppl need to realize that ian has been the guy from fugazi not the guy from minor threat for 2+ decades

jay-z's ansari (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2013 12:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actually w Treeship here

we don't take any requests (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 4 May 2013 14:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

ian mackaye was a dick to nardwuar, nuff said

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 4 May 2013 14:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nardwar is known to those guys and his schtick used to be more aggressive/annoying back in the day so yeah old hardcore scenesters aren't really going to react to him like the internets adorable weirdo...his old clips are trying to antagonize ppl

I mean I like him now more but you see the same reaction with rollins

jay-z's ansari (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2013 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

narduwar is a treasure.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Saturday, 4 May 2013 15:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

vowels = space and time is so beautiful

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 4 May 2013 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

So annoying contenderizer, ppl need to realize that ian has been the guy from fugazi not the guy from minor threat for 2+ decadesp

joeks?

controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 May 2013 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

I agree with spazzmatazz.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Saturday, 4 May 2013 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

she will be a legend

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 5 May 2013 03:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

so does she not do vowels = space and time live? :(

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 6 May 2013 05:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sadly, no. I put it on at a party last year and some kid asked me if it was new Ciara...

I said yes.

Cousin Slappy, Monday, 6 May 2013 06:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

dyl, Monday, 6 May 2013 06:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

markers, Monday, 13 May 2013 01:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

<3

Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 01:55 (1 year ago) Permalink


E>_<3
- O -

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

you know what i mean

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol i cannot decipher that

Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 02:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

They were supposed to be experimental heartshades

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

in this photo, the artist flees a sea of camera dorks

controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Monday, 13 May 2013 03:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

hipster kokopelli

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 13 May 2013 04:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

dorkslovetofotou (xp)

Drugs A. Money, Monday, 13 May 2013 06:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like this.

http://soundcloud.com/rookiemag/oblivion-katie-and-allison

fffv, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 02:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow, that's great. anyone heard the waxahatchee album? is it as good as this?

monotony, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 14:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

rad cover

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 14:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

I really like the Waxahatchee album, but it doesn't really sound like that.

monster_xero, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoDhmH66CoI

monster_xero, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 16:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow, that's great. anyone heard the waxahatchee album? is it as good as this?

the swearin' album is closer to that sound

but what you're looking for is bad banana/p.s. eliot probably

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

that cover is fucking atrocious

ogmor, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

not been tricked into clicking on something that bad for a long time

ogmor, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

markers, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/337398387966111744

markers, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's a whole lotta NAGL

unfinest DN (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

ḉrut (crüt), Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's not her best look but tbh i think it works for her. i think she always seem really cool and positive and her existence makes me happy, generally.

Treeship, Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

except last night when she was tweeting about the heat pacers game and was rooting for the heat. wtf? who roots for the heat?

Treeship, Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

things like that tweet are what puts me on the Grimes bandwagon. her music less so. (not trying to knock her music or artistic vision or whatever)

ḉrut (crüt), Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i mean, her tweets in general are great. i love her music but as a person she seems very cool too which is a bonus

Treeship, Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

i dont really care much for her twitter or tumblr but i do like markers current shtick

ʎqןıs (gr8080), Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

She seems to be trying some kind of old lady dgaf swag in that photo

Tim F, Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think I'm infected with tumblrgeist cause just now my first impulse was to think "oh jeez don't you know how politically fraught it is to talk negatively about a person's appearance much less GRIMES you guys oh noooooo" even though I don't really agree with that thought.

Dan I., Friday, 24 May 2013 05:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

FYI I'm talking positively.

Tim F, Friday, 24 May 2013 05:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1247478

markers, Sunday, 9 June 2013 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

thanks for sharing that video of grimes wearing swag ass eye makeup

Treeship, Monday, 10 June 2013 01:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

http://twitter.com/grimezsz

markers, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

dude, respect, but why did you link to grimes's whole damn twitter feed.

how's life, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

markers otm

szarkasm (schlump), Monday, 8 July 2013 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

dude, respect, but why did you link to grimes's whole damn twitter feed.

― how's life, Monday, July 8, 2013 1:44 PM

ok

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/354045896775831552
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/354047226336641027
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/354123855666749444

markers, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha

Treeship, Saturday, 13 July 2013 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh Grimes, you scamp

Moodles, Saturday, 13 July 2013 22:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

"it's ok i'm being feminist" is a great cover imo

ogmor, Sunday, 14 July 2013 10:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://deadgirlfriends.tumblr.com/post/55480893778

markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

#dark

Treeship, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

#zzzzz

crüt, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey thanks for that

markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'll do the same the next time you post something

markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

aw. I'm sorry man. :( it's nothing personal I am just not on the grimes bus I guess. I will back off this thread.

crüt, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

we will miss your rich and varied posts

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 July 2013 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

damn

crüt, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

whoops that was an xp

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 July 2013 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

WWGD?

Z S, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/CharelGrimes

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

uoihaf, go fuck yourself

markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

crut: <3

markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

my wife swears by i knew you were trouble

HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:04 (11 months ago) Permalink

very challenging

I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:06 (11 months ago) Permalink

otm

HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:07 (11 months ago) Permalink

big up grimes for this :)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:13 (11 months ago) Permalink

Does it piss off all DJs?

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:19 (11 months ago) Permalink

that was pretty fun

"Trance in Philly ‏@TranceInPhilly 27s
@r_hertzler it's not appropriate.. Are you kidding me"

loool

My god. Pure ideology. (ey), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:19 (11 months ago) Permalink

they wanted one kind of music... but they got another kind of music!!!

I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:22 (11 months ago) Permalink

Trance in Philly ‏@TranceInPhilly 19m

I hope @richiehawtin never books you again. Horrible

Trance in Philly ‏@TranceInPhilly 21m

.@Rosniel_ @TranceInNY @Melissaceee she's being EXTREMELY disrespectful IMO

Trance in Philly ‏@TranceInPhilly 28m

Someone seriously needs to seriously kick her off the decks #brtv like this is ATROCIOUS. This is ENTER not top 40 radio cc: @Grimezsz

Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:24 (11 months ago) Permalink

haha that's awesome

balls, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:30 (11 months ago) Permalink

pretty meh on swift in general, esp since she lost that fake southern accent, but 'trouble's a ridiculously great track

balls, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:31 (11 months ago) Permalink

haha at first i was like, come on, who is that actually going to upset

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 18:17 (11 months ago) Permalink

me too. too much time on ilm.

HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 18:49 (11 months ago) Permalink

haha

flopson, Thursday, 15 August 2013 00:20 (11 months ago) Permalink

outside the ilm bubble i've found that a lot of people who are generally down with pop music still can't stomach taylor, f'n idiots.

SKYLER FFS SKYLER SKYLER SKYLER (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 15 August 2013 02:17 (11 months ago) Permalink

Swift is p boring

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2013 17:38 (11 months ago) Permalink

To the guy with the ponytail who was staring deep into Grimes' iTunes while attempting to keep his infatuated small talk going and fumbling with a beer can—if you're reading this, I have three pieces of advice: First, ditch the scrunchie. That hasn't been okay since Sex and The City Season Three. Second, look out for cameras next time. You never know what will end up on the 'net. Third, don't try to hit on a DJ while they're DJing. No, not even a female DJ. They don't like that shit any more than anyone else. How the hell did that guy get into Richie's villa in the first place?

Nicolette Yim · Follow · University of Manchester
ponytail guy is her boyfriend.
Reply · 2 · Like · Follow Post · August 15 at 1:45pm

Biyi Ajibade · Follow · University of Nottingham
Ponytail guy is James Brookes (of Elite Gymnastics)
Reply · 1 · Like · Follow Post · August 15 at 1:53pm

Z S, Saturday, 17 August 2013 17:58 (11 months ago) Permalink

getting my lols @ that in before jb crafts his frustratingly reasonable response

I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2013 18:14 (11 months ago) Permalink

omg vengaboys

"Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Saturday, 17 August 2013 22:27 (11 months ago) Permalink

lmao

dyl, Saturday, 17 August 2013 23:26 (11 months ago) Permalink

huge news

socki (s1ocki), Monday, 19 August 2013 04:49 (11 months ago) Permalink

ok i love her for the boiler room thing tbh

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 19 August 2013 10:50 (11 months ago) Permalink

Grimes, Faery Queen ‏@Grimezsz 10h
shout outs to all the people who tweet pictures of their cute dogs at me - it is much appreciated

Z S, Monday, 19 August 2013 12:16 (11 months ago) Permalink

'Electro fairy princess' hosts VMA red carpet.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:48 (11 months ago) Permalink

Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (1027 of them)

i'm walter white btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:07 (11 months ago) Permalink

a thread about a really popular new artist with a lot of posts, smh!!!

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:43 (11 months ago) Permalink

what i hate is how i have to click on it and read it

Z S, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:47 (11 months ago) Permalink

tl;dc

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:52 (11 months ago) Permalink

1k posts seems kinda low for ilm's #5 album of last year tbh

some dude, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 22:14 (11 months ago) Permalink

markers, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 22:42 (11 months ago) Permalink

#REV! (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 23 August 2013 02:00 (11 months ago) Permalink

Like Grimes getting all fangirly w/ all the rappers and asking Lil' Kim "is the mole real or do you draw it on?" and teling Busta Rhymes that "pinky rings are, like, really cool"

#REV! (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 26 August 2013 04:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

This Rachel Antonoff person is p awful though

#REV! (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 26 August 2013 04:39 (10 months ago) Permalink

those are reaally hard to watch

I’m pissed off for greatness (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 26 August 2013 06:10 (10 months ago) Permalink

hey, markers:
http://instagram.com/p/ddo6naOzKi/

mh, Monday, 26 August 2013 16:45 (10 months ago) Permalink

Is there audio of the boiler room set?

Spencer Chow, Monday, 26 August 2013 23:30 (10 months ago) Permalink

Is there video of the boiler room set?

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:37 (10 months ago) Permalink

afaik there was live audio/video but nothing archived :(

mh, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:44 (10 months ago) Permalink

they usually put everything up at some point

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

Feel this Jana Hunter/Nitsuh King Krule convo is v relevant to Grimes:
http://lowerdens.tumblr.com/post/59565099322/last-week-i-wrote-a-review-of-the-new-king-krule

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:52 (10 months ago) Permalink

thanks for that, I gotta say that I think Jana's followup to Nitsuh is extremely OTM regarding fame and its effects upon the standards an artist might or might not bring to bear upon their own work

the tune was space, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 18:05 (10 months ago) Permalink

Not sure if I should click on this or not:

http://pitchfork.com/news/52075-watch-franz-ferdinand-cover-grimes-oblivion/

I don't feel a high level of confidence that it would be a good idea.

Moodles, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:17 (10 months ago) Permalink

You should do an exhaustive cost/benefit analysis first.

Treeship, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:19 (10 months ago) Permalink

Sorry that was a stupid, needlessly snotty comment. I agree that that video looks bad.

Treeship, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:24 (10 months ago) Permalink

Kinda reinstates how passé Franz Ferdinand are.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:26 (10 months ago) Permalink

Alex Kapranos' complete lack of carnality and playfulness really reinforces how good Grimes is as a performer.

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

huh i don't think most ppl would associate grimes quickly with carnality, would they? - & the song's about wondering when she's gonna stop being afraid of men as a result of an assault. maybe you're coming from the video "going into this masculine world that is associated with sexual assault, but presented as something really welcoming and nice" in her words. she's selling broadband with this track in ireland non-stop for the last two years -- it's like the theme song for a major service provider -- go figure.

zvookster, Thursday, 29 August 2013 02:10 (10 months ago) Permalink

carnal's the wrong word. i think boxedjoy meant to say "coolness".

Treeship, Thursday, 29 August 2013 02:17 (10 months ago) Permalink

carnality is kind of your own thing, not stuck connected to others, though? I get a little bit of body freedom off of Grimes' music.

mh, Thursday, 29 August 2013 05:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

It get a carnal feeling. Which is cool.

mh, Thursday, 29 August 2013 05:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

I had never realised it was about assault! Just about everything on Visions has mostly indecipherable lyrics to my ears, aside from fragments here and there. I've always found her vocal style very sensuous.

boxedjoy, Thursday, 29 August 2013 09:23 (10 months ago) Permalink

odd, cuz i've always heard it as disembodied, almost anti-physical

IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Thursday, 29 August 2013 11:52 (10 months ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/376803226713980928

markers, Monday, 9 September 2013 01:20 (10 months ago) Permalink

brad should especially click that

markers, Monday, 9 September 2013 01:21 (10 months ago) Permalink

went through a town called grimes last week, thought of markers

is space noise (mh), Monday, 9 September 2013 01:22 (10 months ago) Permalink

markers, Monday, 9 September 2013 01:30 (10 months ago) Permalink

she's selling broadband with this track in ireland non-stop for the last two years -- it's like the theme song for a major service provider -- go figure.

― zvookster, Thursday, 29 August 2013 02:10 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol

flopson, Monday, 9 September 2013 05:27 (10 months ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

Grimes reveals details of her rider

Moodles, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 14:15 (9 months ago) Permalink

i like the formal 'lol' at the end.

festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 14:25 (9 months ago) Permalink

she's just the dickens

pervilege as a meme (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 15:37 (9 months ago) Permalink

dying

Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 15:43 (9 months ago) Permalink

<3

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 16:19 (9 months ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/390274761336438784

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:41 (9 months ago) Permalink

just felt i should get in with that before markers did.

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

he doesn't read this thread

markers, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

^^ fake markers

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:43 (9 months ago) Permalink

29 second response time, slightly disappointing.

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 00:44 (9 months ago) Permalink

evolving into a charmander

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 04:33 (9 months ago) Permalink

impossible

fresh (crüt), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:23 (9 months ago) Permalink

grimes>charmander>charmeleon>charizard

Treeship, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:27 (9 months ago) Permalink

treeship>markers>dayo

velko, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:31 (9 months ago) Permalink

slam dunk, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:31 (9 months ago) Permalink

lmao @ treeship>markers>dayo

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 05:54 (9 months ago) Permalink

Kids these days, learnin' about all the great bands of the bygone aughts

Moodles, Sunday, 27 October 2013 02:53 (8 months ago) Permalink

I can never tell if she is trolling or like completely serious

Stevie D(eux), Sunday, 27 October 2013 14:38 (8 months ago) Permalink

i think both of those things are true

(emphasis Treeship's) (Treeship), Sunday, 27 October 2013 14:45 (8 months ago) Permalink

I was thinking it's been a very long time since her album was released. and no new music since then ?

I don't know why but I thought she would be the kind of artist who releases new tracks every now and then, spontaneously, online or else.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 28 October 2013 11:45 (8 months ago) Permalink

she's been tweeting regularly about how she's been working on the album. said she's aiming for Q2 2014 iirc. i'd say it's taking so long because she's been touring pretty relentlessly.

monotony, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:11 (8 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, every picture she posts is like "this is what bathtubs look like in Singapore" or "picture of me meeting this artist at yet another festival" or "check out my goofy tour rider".

how's life, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:15 (8 months ago) Permalink

yeah, I thought the touring/enjoying notoriety aspect might be key.
but still, nowadays, even on tour, I suppose it must be easy to make/record music, especiallly the way she seems to be working.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:21 (8 months ago) Permalink

it's not like she needs to be in a studio with a producer, band, engineers, etc.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:22 (8 months ago) Permalink

maybe she doesn't spend any time at all on music, maybe she just fucks around on tumblr for hours on end until she passes out

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Monday, 28 October 2013 13:24 (8 months ago) Permalink

ahah. maybe !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 28 October 2013 13:32 (8 months ago) Permalink

otm

Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Monday, 28 October 2013 14:51 (8 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Signed with Roc Nation.

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 21:37 (7 months ago) Permalink

how many cute animals were in that contract

|$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:24 (7 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

markers, Saturday, 25 January 2014 21:20 (5 months ago) Permalink

Wut

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 25 January 2014 22:57 (5 months ago) Permalink

she's on instagram now as "actuallygrimes"

markers, Sunday, 26 January 2014 22:47 (5 months ago) Permalink

markers, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:19 (5 months ago) Permalink

"a toast, to all the Lorde money you'll be making us soon" xp

some dude, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:42 (5 months ago) Permalink

i wonder if jay-z is like me, in that he still listens to visions at least once a month

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:47 (5 months ago) Permalink

has blue ivy heard visions

katherine, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:00 (5 months ago) Permalink

has she stepped foot in an old navy

balls, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:06 (5 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/84400601704/tbt

markers, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:14 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Thk u grimes for introducing me to "I luh you papi"

funny and lolexander (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 19 May 2014 12:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

cool story bouch

₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Thursday, 5 June 2014 15:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

I wrote a song for Rihanna too, got turned down tho, wanna hear it

₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Thursday, 5 June 2014 15:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

re-recorder the visions songs ??
what the !?

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

tbh I'm intrigued. Some of the songs on Visions were cool but missing something.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

hum. I can't see how this could be any good... reminds me of the thread about re-recorded albums (that are always shitty).
anyway, looking forward to the new album !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

seems like she only re-recorded the tracks for her live show, not for release? makes sense, i'm sure she feels like she can make them sound a lot better now.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

That's what I was thinking. Bedroom recordings sounding different at pitchfork fest or whatever. Haven't seen her live though, so I don't know.

how's life, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

https://soundcloud.com/actuallygrimes/go-1/

"The look is an anime elf assassin who is a big fan of dolly parton and patsy cline"

<3<3<3<3

I love the percussion in this (and the bass is cool too), like how she's using handclaps where hi hats would be, and the cool metallic kling klang stuff at the end! Grimes is so awesome!

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

oh wow.

how's life, Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

how she's using handclaps where hi hats would be

has been done in that exact way on 50 million popular songs in the past 3 years fyi

some dude, Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lol at the avalanche of fan comments on there hating the EDM breakdown

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

uh it's decent i guess (not really, kinda boring actually) but if i didn't know it was grimes i don't think i would have given it even one full listen

dyl, Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i am glad she is angering her fans tho, they need to be angered more

dyl, Thursday, 26 June 2014 19:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Right.

I like this song a lot after two listens (wasn't sold after one).

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 June 2014 20:15 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'd say at this point, I listen to a lot of music made my women. Probably more than music made by men. However, it creeps me out beyond belief when I see the fans of a lot of these women claim ownership of the particular artist's will and choices they make, and seeing how people were commenting on the new Grimes track just reminded me of that.

Quit being gross bossy fans, you dopes. These are grown ass women and they can do what they want...even if that means including a drop.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 June 2014 20:19 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

drop is dumb, song is pretty dumb

call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 June 2014 20:49 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

But are you suggesting that these fans claim ownership of a particular artist's will and choices because they are female? Because I'm pretty sure there would be the same amount of complaining if a track like this was put out by a male artist, like Panda Bear for instance.

MarkoP, Thursday, 26 June 2014 21:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm just saying I see it happen more with female artists, but I'm sure Austin Mahone and Twin Shadow and whoever else get a bit of it too.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 June 2014 21:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lol at handclaps exchange

on first listen this does a better job of extending the Grimes brand into EDM than the taylor swift single from last summer did hers so w/e

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 26 June 2014 22:43 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It doesn't happen more often with women musicians. You're imagining things.

Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 26 June 2014 22:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

apparently this was the song written for rihanna

diamonddave85‌ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 26 June 2014 22:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah that's the narrative

Number None, Thursday, 26 June 2014 22:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah it could be any fucker this.

piscesx, Friday, 27 June 2014 00:08 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

However, it creeps me out beyond belief when I see the fans of a lot of these women claim ownership of the particular artist's will and choices they make, and seeing how people were commenting on the new Grimes track just reminded me of that.

Quit being gross bossy fans, you dopes. These are grown ass women and they can do what they want...even if that means including a drop.

people love the DIY aspects of "Visions," which Grimes made on her computer using Garageband. i personally really liked the album in part because the eclecticism of its influences felt really personal, right down to the akhmatova quotes on the album sleeve she designed herself. it's an indie album that appealed to indie fans with indie sensibilities. how do you expect them to react to this song? i get that some of the reactions are probably extreme and over-dramatic but i think most of the backlash is from fans who feel that grimes' music is important to them personally. many are probably teenagers. i don't think it has to do with not respecting her autonomy because she is a woman.

Treeship, Friday, 27 June 2014 01:19 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

n.b. i like the new track fine.

Treeship, Friday, 27 June 2014 01:19 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I haven't really dug around to read any supposed "backlash" but are people really surprised that she has gone hi-fi / come out of the bedroom after previously participating in huge tours with Skrillex and Diplo, signing to Roc Nation, and for many years now professing a love for a lot of major label pop music? Not only that but she played this song a few weeks ago at the Governor's Ball, cameraphone youtubes of which were posted by pitchfork et al, where the presence of a "drop" was fairly evident?

fwiw i don't think her album will all sound like this. I recall 'Go' being labelled on her Twitter as "different from regular Grimes" before she played it live, and the fact that the song is being given away as a free download at least 6-7 months before an actual album release seems to suggest it will eventually be relegated to bonus track status / a fun little anomaly à la 'Phone Sex'.

ginuwine's cousin (monotony), Friday, 27 June 2014 01:40 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It doesn't happen more often with women musicians. You're imagining things.

o ok wow i'm convinced thanx

dyl, Friday, 27 June 2014 02:03 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah grimes has written at length about how she is constantly patronised by dudes thinking she doesn't know what she's doing as a producer or that she doesn't know anything about musical equipment

ginuwine's cousin (monotony), Friday, 27 June 2014 02:30 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

oh yeah, that's totally an issue. i just think that the backlash against this song is a separate issue and i don't think there is anything inherently sexist about hoping her new album is more similar to her last album than to a skrillex album. it seems outrageously condescending to like, not criticize something you don't like because you think the artist's autonomy is so fragile it must be nurtured and supported at all costs.

on another note, i agree with monotony that i think her new album will sound totally different from both this single and anything she's released in the past. i hope to be surprised by her new album and i expect to be.

Treeship, Friday, 27 June 2014 02:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It's gonna be children of men jams crazy

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:19 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i just think that the backlash against this song is a separate issue

Right. I get that people might be taken aback by a style shift as dramatic as this one, but the way some of the pushback has been phrased is the same as I've seen with other female artists—especially the ones who are active on social media. All these fans flock to them very quickly and then get really possessive and creepy about every move they make. Can I cite examples? Not really. It's just a tone I've picked up by following Marina & The Diamonds and Charli XCX and Betty Who and Sky Ferreira and MØ and whoever else and seeing the fawning messages of support turn when something they don't like happens.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah that sounds plausible. people are generally more vicious, abusive, and condescending when they discuss famous women than when they discuss famous men. but would these be the true fans though? i think there is probably also a contingent of (young) people who love grimes so much, and base part of their identities on this fandom, that the idea of her going mainstream feels like, personally threatening. this is how it's always been with cult figures, their fans are possessive.

Treeship, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:43 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Well to be fair, if you're going to make an argument about gender and it's role in the reception of musicians by their fans, you better have more in your arsenal than personal anecdotes and ~creepy feelings. Behind the scenes, yes, women aren't considered to be equals in the music business in 2014. However, that's a separate issue. Brian Wilson was recently taken to task by fans for working with people they deemed not worthy. Does that signal a trend in people trying to diminish the choices and will of people over 65? The original assertion is really reaching for the stars.

Cousin Slappy, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:59 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeeaaaah I dunno. big fan of Visions but Go is pretty disappointing imo.

dmr, Friday, 27 June 2014 04:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

did video surface of her other 2 new songs performed at governor's ball? I love "go," but she's explicitly said it's different because she wrote it for Rihanna.

Captain Maximus, Friday, 27 June 2014 15:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Well to be fair, if you're going to make an argument about gender and it's role in the reception of musicians by their fans, you better have more in your arsenal than personal anecdotes and ~creepy feelings.

god i love this. if you want to make claims about sexism, better have a DAMN good case, because if those accused of sexism aren't on message boards, trust that a public defender will be appointed.

da croupier, Friday, 27 June 2014 16:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I answered my own question and found vid of another new song

sounds really good. couldn't find the other though

Captain Maximus, Friday, 27 June 2014 16:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Like something from the Nation Records roster.

panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Friday, 27 June 2014 22:36 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

pls list 5 of the 50 million songs that do the handclaps-instead-of-hi-hats thing

NI, Saturday, 28 June 2014 04:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

normally I am the first to jump on the "it's worse for female musicians" argument but this, I think, is universal. the black keys got it pretty bad this album cycle. arcade fire. the weeknd.

katherine, Saturday, 28 June 2014 04:11 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

pls list 5 of the 50 million songs that do the handclaps-instead-of-hi-hats thing

beyonce - single ladies
kanye west - power
baauer - harlem shake
rihanna - birthday cake
big sean - dance (a$$)
nicki minaj - stupid hoe
juicy j - bandz a make her dance
tyga - rack city
travis porter - bring it back
soulja boy - donk
azealia banks - jumanji
jamie foxx - number one
the weeknd - the fall

not to mention like 90% of new orleans bounce & a ton of other club tracks from the past 20 years

Captain Maximus, Saturday, 28 June 2014 19:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink


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