THANKS to all who voted. 39 ballots is more than double what I expected so thank you very very much for taking the time to fill out a ballot,it's much appreciated, and I hope you enjoy the results.
A HUGE thanks to seandalai for doing all the work and making this poll happen. Without him it would not be possible so please direct all your thanks to him!
As I'm doing a top 250 roll-out I thought I'd start today,I like to give the lesser known albums 15 minutes of ILM fame. For those who are only interested in the top 150 join us on Monday if you like, but I sure hope you hang around and check out some good albums.
I'm sure the results will be controversial as albums I was sure would be top 50 missed out on the 250, and albums I don't know got in, but it wouldn't be an ILM poll without some controversy, just play nice, ok? :) It will certainly maintain the suspense all the way.
And now, Howard will present you with the Spirit Of Jazz to give you the results..http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/mightyboosh/images/series1/ep7/ep7_4.jpg
250 - 250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross 359 points 4 votes http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51si8FzN5UL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0QTVbs5gj4pbv3Je4fJ3VI
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have this one. Crap, I'm gonna be buying way too much jazz in coming weeks aren't I.
― Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, I was thinking something similar.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
Nice way to start. Made my list. Title track is gargantuan. I love the way Monk plays these melodic little trills and ends them with an unexpected but still somehow tastefully chosen PLONK.
― Spectrist, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have it either. Will be playing that spotify.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
top 250? my goodness
will try to read along
― zvookster, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up 364 Points, 3 Voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GGohtV3oH8A/Sn2jyJrhKCI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/8H3SBeWYuo0/s320/blowup.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3PeSy6F5JfIi7cjpqmEdKr
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
this is one of the herbies i don't have.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i don't have it either.re: monk, it's funny -- when i first started getting into jazz people told me to avoid monk's 60s columbia records. but they're great! for the most part anyway. and the recordings themselves are wonderful, much better production values than his 50s stuff.
― tylerw, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
criss cross too low!
i missed the voting thread or I would have voted sorry yall
ive never heard blow up
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
was hoping you would vote deej, hope you hang around for the results.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
next one up is one I thought might be top 100
248 Gil Evans - out of the cool 365 Points, 3 Votershttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417PS2X5SHL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1aCRy8c7fwUsNpZM5jxqQU
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
250!?! Damn.
I'll check back around top 50 or so.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
how predictable. Dont you just hate people who only like the canon?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway i hope everyone else enjoys checking out the rest of the albums.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
har har. Don't think you want to go there again.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
i wondered why you did
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
I shoulda known better. Some things won't change.
Have fun, I'll check it out later.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
i hope you do. The countdown and comments are the best thing. Don't get the just want to know the results thing but hey-ho. Each to their own.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street 367 Points, 3 Voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J3TY1ESJL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1JtqZokXUT3yXYPsAQFXso
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
thats #247 btw
so low!!!! that record is incredible, best Clifford Brown??
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
xxp Didn't vote for that or any Gil Evans, only know him from his work w miles, Checking it out now, it great though only a few tracks from the album are available on spottify in the us. "Where Flamingos Fly" is incredible beautiful and haunting. david Lynch vibes
― dsb, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
Clifford Brown's trumpet tone was so huge
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
hey everyone feel free to predict what will be top 10 or 20 if you like. See if anyone can get close.What all do you hope makes it?
deej what would your #1 have been?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
(just dont post your ballots)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
kind of blue if i'm feeling lazy. I'd have to think about what else but that's such an easy / true choice
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
it was tough deciding. I'd probably have a different #1 each day if you asked me over 10 days.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots 369 Points, 4 Voteshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Bluroots_mingus.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6YTb5avpSPK5ig5jBFxM8L
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
great album, would prob pick the clifford brown & monk records ahead of it though
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
This album is not available in the United States:(I don't know that album too well, never owned it, probably need to correct that, mainly voted for it on the basis of "Moanin'". Speaking of which, onetime we had a little thread about itTS Moanin' vs. Moanin'
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
Actually heard a great version of that song three Mondays ago from the Mingus Big Band at the Jazz Standard which is a regular gig that I highly recommend to any one reading this thread who is in the city on a Monday night. Boris K quoted the signature "Moanin'" lick on his bass in another song, can't remember which, but it was the first or second tune and then near the end of the set Conrad H said "OK, we are going to call an audible now" at which point Lauren S started the song on its proper instrument, the bari sax.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
might be worth doing a search on spotify if albums I link aren't available, as sometimes there will be a version available to the US we don't get due to licensing.xps
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
OK, I'll try that, thanks.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Right now listening to Max Roach & Clifford Brown anyway, had something else on them but never heard this album. Amazing.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
thats their best together imo
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
245 Sun Ra & His Astro Infinity Arkestra - Strange Strings 373 Points, 4 Voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CZ-XNOup4P0/SwIImow1TCI/AAAAAAAAAVI/d9k22slb8O0/s1600/02.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0mhRXVlIDo03GqnNCEBDjf
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
I did say some really good albums were in the lower reaches. Some really good ones didn't even make the cut!
And I mean GOOD albums. Albums I thought might be top 100.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, so far two of mine have made it (Basin St. and Strange Strings).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
Bet you're glad it's a top 250!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
Strange Strings is spectacular, though it's almost closer to Harry Partch than it is to "Jazz".
The only thing I know about the Blow-Up soundtrack is that it's the source of the main sample in "Groove is in the Heart".
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
243 Sonny Sharrock - Guitar 376 Points, 2 Voteshttp://jazzbluesclub.com/uploads/posts/thumbs/1275211459_sonny.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4aj1w1pMSVv3O2q7yZrEjt
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
Lotta great shit down at the bottom - I love 60s Monk on Columbia.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
That is why I did the top 250. Just because it's not in the top 50 doesn't mean it's no good. Hopefully others will check this good stuff out, I know I will be checking out the stuff I don't know.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
oops that's a tie withTIE243 Milford Graves - Babi 376 Points, 2 Voters http://www.recordmania.net/media/covers/WJF44104.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
Always meant to check Milford Graves out, shame it's not on Spotify.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
I believe Guitar was my #7.
― little mushroom person (abanana), Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
next one up I was sure would be top 100
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks 377 3http://www.soundstagedirect.com/media/art_ensemble_chicago_message_folks.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5XvmZV63Y8OPDbD2cS0mXU
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
never heard this one before tbh - probably would have voted for it if I had
― ۩ (crüt), Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
thats a great album imo
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
i prefer 'nice guys' tho
TIE240 Peter Brötzmann - Nipples 377 Points, 4 Voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZRYySFc6Ezc/RnIVmo8Ln3I/AAAAAAAAAGM/Tw0ZOoFkLfs/s400/nipples_cover250.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6jJRegh41ry4oP4w0ohDTQ
240 Elvin Jones - Dear John C. 377 Points, 4 Voteshttp://www.charliemarianotribute.de/Cover/2041.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1HL5ixGdqbdEWkmJw36j0I
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
huh, i don't think i've heard any elvin jones solo joints. is this the best one, or will we be seeing more of his stuff in the poll?
― tylerw, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
well, that might be telling.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
though i dont know myself as i cant remember what's all in the 250.
He does have another album nominated though which is very good.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata 380 points, 2 Voteshttp://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/images/covers/rahsaan-roland-kirk-natural-black-inventions-root-strata.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3ojyRBXDuMN1OJSKaFKuv9
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
need to check this one out too.
Guess I should make a playlist of all these while we go on.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
would be cool to have a playlist w/ a track from each album! or something. one big sampler.
― tylerw, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
here is the playlist featuring albums so far, wish I had thought of putting this in my opening post so it wont get lost , could a mod possibly do that?Top 250 ILM Jazz Albums Spotify Playlist
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
^ you can all subscribe to that
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There 381 Points, 3 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415XGVK48NL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
dunno this one. Any good?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
one of the real big hitters up next. If you didn't vote for it don't shout 'too low!'
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland 384 Points, 4, Voteshttp://www.soundstagedirect.com/media/coltrane_live_at_birdland.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1pVLiArpS7mibit7dSQm8t
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
Hm. I meant to vote for it, voted for plenty of other Coltrane. Must have accidentally deleted it. What can I shout in that case?
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
'bollocks'?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
which is what i said as i forgot to vote for it too. Shocked it's not in top 100 but its partly my fault. Yeah i guess i listed other coltrane and somehow left this off. Obviously others did too. Always the problem with think others will vote for it...then they dont.Anyway if you dunno this album, then play it!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Love at birdland insanely low, grossed out that sun ra has already placed two records
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
*live
Live at birdland >>>>>> a love supreme
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
you don't dig sun ra? or just the 'ilm' thing about certain acts you dont like? like new order or stooges in polls.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Thought you meant love at (for) Live at Birdland
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
Its a thing in general we had abig debate about once how outsider/avant/weird jazz artists are overrated relative to mainstream jazz innovators in certain circles that happen to overlap with ilx (mingus and ra are both artists I love, esp mingus, but they both benefit from this and ime guys like duke and bird suffer)
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
haha yeah i thought that too
xp
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
another big name next
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
aw coltrane at birdland is in my personal top 5
― (gr8080), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
And yes I expected it to be much higherxp
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
did you vote, grady?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust 386 Points, 3 Voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51cNufAawkL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/00Uf5PRAinCJ0oiCX1Cv2k
no i didnt know about this until todayxp
― (gr8080), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 2:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
I can't recommend Babi enough. If there is a single, definitive "energy music" record, it's this one.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
ahh damn. The voting was open for like a month and nominations 2 weeks before that.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i hate ILM tho so
― (gr8080), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
i erm downloaded Babi Will play it soon.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:05 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark
I love it. It has probably my single favorite Pat Patrick (aka, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick's dad) moment, on "Pleasure." The rest of it is very nearly at the level of The Magic City.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
i dont hate ilm i just never pay attention to dates on polls
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
Suggest Ban Permalink
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:22 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark
I didn't vote for this only because I would've rather voted for "Live" At The Village Vanguard, but it's my own fault for not nominating that one.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
That Elvin Jones disc was recently reissued; I reviewed it on BurningAmbulance.com.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:47 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
That record is ridiculously out of print (never seen it go for less than $80), and unfortunately Graves missed the window for putting out a potentially decent-selling reissue.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
been too busy with real life shit in recent weeks to vote, but really hoping that the soul zodiac album gets some love.
was pretty funked out to see that one listed.
[it also happened to be one of the few that i actually have listened to and loved]
― mark e, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
FFS i forgot to vote for thrust. It was in my top 20 shortlist but i somehow didnt c&p it over. arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
still wouldnt have got it in the top 150 anyway i dont think. but still.aaaaaaaaaarrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
Im wondering how a lot of the 70s disco/pop/fusion jazz stuff will fare here. My prediction is that you see stock dropping for guys like Parker and hard bop artists (clifford brown etc) while stock rises for Mingus & Sun Ra type artists (at least, relative to the traditional jazz canon). But w/ people getting into the Mizell stuff and the weirder Herbie Hancock records, I'm wondering if that stuff has made inroads at all. I kind of treat it as pop more than jazz personally (or at least 'dance') but ..yeah
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement 387 Points, 3 Votes http://thebadpennyblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/les-mccann-and-eddie-harris-swiss-movement-album-cover.jpg?w=300&h=300
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
also rlly curious how the sonny rollins stuff will shake out!! village vanguard?
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
Im wondering how a lot of the 70s disco/pop/fusion jazz stuff will fare here. My prediction is that you see stock dropping for guys like Parker and hard bop artists (clifford brown etc) while stock rises for Mingus & Sun Ra type artists (at least, relative to the traditional jazz canon). But w/ people getting into the Mizell stuff and the weirder Herbie Hancock records, I'm wondering if that stuff has made inroads at all. I kind of treat it as pop more than jazz personally (or at least 'dance') but ..yeah― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:00
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:00
Afraid I can't answer that.Well, I could, but y'know..
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
Would it be possible to start including the years for these albums? Just might be handy for titles some of us are unfamiliar with.
― Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
if spotify went by release date it would be easier but ok, as long as someone else scrolls up and does that stuff while i get on with this. Need to google release dates now for each album.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 Points, 5 Voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xSpWY1epn2g/TOaWoVKwWSI/AAAAAAAAAkU/EissXG_uang/s1600/Ballads.jpeghttp://open.spotify.com/album/509NZ5uv94HI1xp9mtdVdk
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
i dont know anything about that. anyone want 2 tell me??
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
grossed out that sun ra has already placed two records
This is kind of why I didn't vote. I didn't want to gross out any of the real jazz fans. Well, there's more to it than that. If I find I don't like most of the genre I guess I should disqualify myself. What's the point in voting in that case?
Other Planes of There is great. I like Ballads as well.
x-post:
It's the "jazziest" Derek Bailey I've heard. Takes jazz standards and takes them apart or then veers into typical Derek Bailey style (I guess--I haven't actually heard that much of his work), but you do get at least part of a straightforward rendering before they get taken apart.
― Internet Looser (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
its not that the records arent great its that sun ra will be way overrepresented
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 points, 4 voteshttp://images.bizrate.com/resize?sq=220&uid=1128457http://open.spotify.com/album/3BM4ZseBRzpQBC2SiwvR92
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
dunno this one. Anyone?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
thats a great record but i havent heard it in a long time
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
Root Strata was my #5, great album with a clear avant influence but still really soulful and expressive.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss (1972) 398 Points, 4 Voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZRMQDKMJL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1OnXBqIDGKpI3Y9qugJ85p
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
Guitar is among my all-time favourite albums. It's really special.
I was never able to really get into Babi but I'll try again.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
Awfuckenright! Blacknuss is a great ablum
― NickB, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
Hyped at #232 placement
― NickB, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
Like, I get that it's obviously intense etc but I just haven't personally really clicked with it yet.
I really loved Ballads, when I listened to a lot of outside improv music and didn't listen much at all to standards. Now that the proportions have shifted a little, I wonder how I'd respond to it. Weirdly, it seems to be one of the CDs I packed for storage even though I could swear I intended to bring it with me to my new place. I'll try to download a copy.
xpost to myself
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402 Points, 5 Voteshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/77/Nubians_Of_Plutonia.jpg/220px-Nubians_Of_Plutonia.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb73XTtbyhw
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
Need to hear Guitar again. Owned it way back but was way too much of an indie schmoo to give it a proper go.
― NickB, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1962) 412 Points, 4 voteshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Bill_Evans_and_Jim_Hall-Undercurrent_(album_cover).jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3b2s2A8DPISbaQNxhrEsGQ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, August 27, 2011 1:46 PM (1 hour ago)
I dl'ed this on your recommendation a while back, and it is, indeed, "all that" ... also, I totally do not pay attention to deadlines for ballot polls
― sarahel, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 points, 4 votes― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:31 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkdunno this one. Anyone?― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:40 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkthats a great record but i havent heard it in a long time― D-40, Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:46 PM (31 minutes ago)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:31 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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― D-40, Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:46 PM (31 minutes ago)
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
sweet poll so far, like all these records. ballads is really really pretty.
― sonderangerbot, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
glad you're enjoying it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1971) 413 Points, 3 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_G9FtQLF2VFE/SzJB-H3KhvI/AAAAAAAAAqs/3hHrFG2aCaE/s400/front.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4iWJYzYbD0S6e3I8Xzr7LR
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
good album btw
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
might have voted for blacknuss, i remember old rugged cross as amazing
should pick up ballads, i like some free improv & bailey's 1992 tv series on (mostly non-swinging) improvised music is gr8 http://www.ubu.com/film/bailey.html
the sun ra i know is ok but i love mingus and hardly think he can be overrated tbh, tho i own one record each of duke and bird, both comps, so what does that tell u
― zvookster, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 Points, 4 Voteshttp://991.com/newGallery/Miles-Davis-Miles-Davis-Quart-457137.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6wjxLxMqbDzTT5QlYrtOPI
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
There will prob be a lot of Miles albums on this list if that made it, ha
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
who will get the most entries, eh?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
Evans/Hall is the first album I've downloaded because of this list.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (1966) 415 points, 5 voteshttp://i43.tower.com/images/mm105905024/marion-brown-quartet-cd-cover-art.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
dont know that one at all
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
Guessing from the artwork it's on ESP-Disk?
― NickB, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder if any jaki byard will make it (((??? maybe 'freedom together!'??))))
― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
Never even heard of Marion Brown. Must check that out.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah, of course.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
i totally recommend that marion brown quartet album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954) 417 Points, 4 voteshttp://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/22/albumcoverMilesDavisAndTheModernJazzGiants.jpg?1198367842http://open.spotify.com/album/5QwUkCyyFqFxzLWFX5SydM
need to play that one again
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 Points, 4 voteshttp://img.maniadb.com/images/album/162/162545_1_f.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1xh7V9UTTezA3YDczzAGYo
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
Voted for a few Grant Greens, but don't know that one
Evans/Hall is the first album I've downloaded because of this list.― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:26 PM (53 minutes ago)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:26 PM (53 minutes ago)
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
yeah not too familiar with it myself. Definitely heard it though, my mate has that cd. I love the cover.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
Looking at the names on that cover, this is another one for further investigation.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
^ Indeed. Definitely will check out that one.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
next one seems a bit appropriate!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 points, 4 voteshttp://joefarrell.jazz59.com/images/066wesmontgomeryincrediblejazzguitar.gifhttp://open.spotify.com/album/5RwRaAJXxc7SULhw1Z1j0y
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
oof low
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
Only four votes? Too low.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i expected it to be higher, but some stuff has missed out on the 250 completely!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 Points, 4 voteshttp://weirdorecords.com/zen/images/shep_6743.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
taking it down to 220 tonight btw
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
i totally recommend that marion brown quartet albumthis ― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:05 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark
i don't remember if i voted for this or not, but if i didn't, i'm very sorry. this is a good one!
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
blue note covers are so grebt
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 Points, 4 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/d/dolphy_eric_ironman~~_102b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0qqoAq1kzfSXEkX2b3SSrr
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
LOVE that grant green album. the title track is one of my favorite standards, frank sinatra's vocal version kills.
expecting to see more bobby hutcherson - san francisco is only the tip of the iceberg
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 Points, 5 voteshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Album-Ornette-Coleman-Ornette.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7BxOi2aKqOyAcOXo6EpIFl
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
Last one for the night up next
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440points, 3 voteshttp://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/21/2183/OFPCD00Z/posters/bacon-paul-bill-evans-trio-portrait-in-jazz.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7l1aeOeJMvkxnlpd5byUbn
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
Recap250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross 359 4249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up 364 3 248 gil evans - out of the cool 365 3247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street 367 3246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots 369 4245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings 373 4243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar 376 2243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi 376 2242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks 377 3240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples 377 4240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. 377 4239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata 380 2238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There 381 3237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland 384 4236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust 386 3235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement 387 3 234 Derek Bailey - Ballads 387 5 233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite 394 4232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 4 231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia 402230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent 412 4 229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco 413 3 228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet 415 4 227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet 415 5 226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants 417 4 225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams 422 4 224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar 431 4 223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman 432 4 222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man 436 4 221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! 436 5 220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz 440 3
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
the trane record placement is prob the craziest to me still
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
and thrust and wes ...
you should see what missed out
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
a) were you expecting ppl to vote for 20 trane albums
b) the whole premise of this poll is insane, though props to kerr for trying; it is too huge and precious few voters (eg me) have heard enough of these enough times to constructively vote
c) very looking forward to checking out some new stuff, but i don't think bitching about the rankings is gonna get us anywhere
d) sorry i hate jazz guitar (should try again) so wes/grant's placements are partially my fault
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
If you haven't heard Sharrock's Guitar, let me recommend it with his quote in mind: "I consider myself a saxophonist with a very fucked-up axe."
― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
Ha. Just put that on. I also like the regular, boring jazz guitar that mookieproof and hurting hate, but otherwise mookieproof otm.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
tbf to deej he's not bitching, he knows what polls are like. but i dont blame him for being baffled at the low placement of the trane album. but it's an ILM poll, you know these things happen!
Also i think 1 or 2 did vote for (nearly) all the miles or trane albums.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
haha yes i have heard a bit of sharrock which seemed like not at all the same thing! but yeah
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone want to predict the top 10/20? Then we can compare the guesses when the poll is done and see who was closest.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
As somebody already said, Kind of Blue is a strong favorite for number one
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
In the top 10 (or at least top 20): Love Supreme, Kind of Blue, Silent Way, Black Saint, Evans @ Village Vanguard, Brilliant Corners, Shape of Jazz to Come, Out to Lunch. Maybe Spiritual Unity? Anyway, I expect like most polls it'll get less interesting near the top. Already d/l'd that Clifford Brown from emusic, I can tell this list is going to give me a lot to dig into.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:55 (twelve years ago) link
(So as someone who didn't vote, thanks to those who did.)
*bookmarks thread*
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Sunday, 28 August 2011 03:13 (twelve years ago) link
I love jazz so much and occasionally feel terrible for not listening to it that much anymore
didn't vote obv, but KoB is one of the few instrumental records out there that I can sing along to. every lick has been etched. thanks, high school band nerdery
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Sunday, 28 August 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
Have ended up embracing the fool's errand white elephant nature of this poll and think ILX- centric voting can only help. I like jazz and that is the kind of music I go to see most often live but, for good or for bad, I never really listened to it, um, systematically, the way I did rock music way back in the day, when I spent an entire weekend listening to every minute I could of The Beatles A-Z on WNEW-FM or would read something like Stranded over and over and try to seek out every single record in there. As somebody already pointed out, it is relatively easy to have listened to the entire recorded output of one or many of the big sixties rock bands and have an opinion, whereas with jazz the career of even Miles Davis is hard to enough to keep track of, let alone, say, Duke Ellington or all the other hundreds of important musicians, so an ILX poll is as good as any angle to try to approach it.
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
I don't expect 20 trane records, just that particular one to do better than it did
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 voteshttp://www.progreviews.com/reviews/images/MT-SotNW.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1A67ghHDy13lBPPhAxUagR
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
i passed up the chance to see him once. My mate even offered to pay for the ticket
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen 457 (Points) 5 voteshttp://www.musicmookreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/baby-face-willette-stop-and-listen.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4zRa00V4pk2EfX25ivof8m
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
pleased to see this one make it!
didn't vote for it but i do recommend it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
and now..
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/s/sander_phar_summunbuk_101b.jpg
next one is for deej :)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DNhzENDzgeU/TQ5hrsMURII/AAAAAAAAAAk/LepgXq9wtqw/s1600/Sun-Ra-Lanquidity.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
dunno that one, any cop?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry 461 Points, 6 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Z9Ea8FZ7OO8/S_VwhXJPb7I/AAAAAAAACcg/4j0XcO8-2EY/s1600/Albert%2BAyler%2B-%2BLove%2BCry%2B1.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5pdwSWy9b4mCPs21luyUbi
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify playlist updated
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
haha thats one of my favorite ra records so i cant complain abt that one too much
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
Do you know the Baby Face Willette album?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418M4Cdo0GL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2dsmGxE74ufKZgSFpEMxel
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 voteshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Nina_Simone_At_Town_Hall.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4iqSDm2Exfy3beNaE4B7TZ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (19740 473 Points, 6 Voteshttp://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/000/247/0000024724_350.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1zCeavwN7ZhPIGR5phKxJv
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
Really good album this, nice to see it place.
Great poll, there's already more than ten albums I need to check out for the first time. Can't believe I slept on that Dolphy album. I'm thinking this early part is the most interesting because later we'll get to the more widely known/canon stuff.
― Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs 474 Points, 3 Voteshttp://newsodrome.com/jazz_news/1970-evan-parker-derek-bailey-han-bennink-the-topography-of-the-lungs-20828587.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
Never heard that one no mult xps
The bobbi humphrey stuff is what I was wondering about earlier re fusion
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
I'm thinking this early part is the most interesting because later we'll get to the more widely known/canon stuff.
Fastnbulbous,that is exactly why i go for big rollouts, thanks! But the other end of the poll is great too!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 voteshttp://weirdorecords.com/zen/images/12331.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6DVFU5Hn53Yk5YSLljR29J
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
who is going to say it?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down 477 Points, 4 voteshttp://www.krlx.org/uploads/Jimmy_Smith-Root_Down_b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0Osp1w3F3BkqxbYMuy9Hsm
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
awesome album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
and that album is beastie boys approved
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting results so far. Glad Summun Bukmun Umyun placed at all. :)
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NQ6ZKX7HL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7zMrveb8rim4pdPBZ238W9
Always thought of this as ILM's fave Ayler
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
Jobim's Stone Flower is wonderful, If you dont know it check it out, Probably my favorite bossanova album. its CTI, so there is definitely a 70s smoothness factor in the arrangements, but it is an excellent collection of tunes. with some really suprising arrangements/ production choices too.
― dsb, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZTlxMakmL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hzTXdKqCL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
Jobim's Stone Flower is wonderful, If you dont know it check it out, Probably my favorite bossanova album. its CTI, so there is definitely a 70s smoothness factor in the arrangements, but it is an excellent collection of tunes. with some really suprising arrangements/ production choices too. --dsb
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 voteshttp://img.noiset.com/images/album/dizzy-gillespie-at-newport-disc-4630.jpeghttp://open.spotify.com/album/744GdhKX0hRaodxvev83Th
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye 501 Points, 6 voteshttp://www.najlepszamuzyka.pl/_var/gfx/56ea97e8c2c1cb9a372ea7db31549ce5.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4N4dY3g7Sm4mMNKwXC3ieT
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
excellent album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity 502 Points, 4 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/SYhglVgAdZI/AAAAAAAACcI/wrlOHLtpUaE/s400/Alice+Coltrane+-+Eternity.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4mv5aLE0vrWGPzLYfEsUxw
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
damn forgot to tag the pic, can a mod fix that please?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
YAY. Not her best album, but worth it for 'Om Supreme' alone. That song is so unlike anything else she ever did and it's just so perfectly 70s.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs 474 Points, 3 Votes
TOO LOW ;_;
― emil.y, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_e51XckQap7E/S3QP3p6MtOI/AAAAAAAAD2Q/mO_e1NF9neM/s400/Cecil+Taylor+1962+Nefertiti,+The+Beautiful+One+Has+Come+a%5B1062%5D.jpeg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DAPJ5RTWL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5vXMwvBidoteqCN6APRPo9
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
deej to thread...
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
ILM just has to get an eno album in, eh?
just leave it armand, it's not worth the hassell
― zvookster, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
lmao
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
corny indie jazz fuxx
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
Love that Jon Hassell album, though I admit I have my doubts it belongs in a jazz poll.
― Internet Looser (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Voteshttp://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/1/3/albumcoverJohnColtrane-Ballads.jpg?1199357418http://open.spotify.com/album/65iE2klct5VviQiJSq9ygF
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
Never really bothered with that album tbh
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
next one up will please Tuomas
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4IO4mEmRGoA/SAsrqwXO9BI/AAAAAAAAB7I/FVNwZhilU2I/s320/sarah.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0bdDfiGx7Eiy1I0O3SgGrJ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
man id love to hear that, i never have
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
iirc my parents saw her live once & it was amazing
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/411VYSJEH0L._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5Gt5U9wyy6Ki6YdE8T8mtn
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
you can tell that is the 70s
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Voteshttp://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/24/albumcoverJimmySmith-TheSermon.jpg?1198498111http://open.spotify.com/album/6OD5MDWh6u8ow1f384ayGz
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 voteshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Coltraneplaystheblues.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
Stone Flower is the second album I downloaded because of this thread. Apparently, I am mellowing out in my old age.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
you're not gonna become one of those mellowed out jazz bores are you?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, let me light this cigar, then I'll tell you.
Fun exercise: For each piece on Ballads, listen to a performance by a canonized vocalist first, then play the Bailey version. So far, I think "Body and Soul" might work best in terms of showing the most connection between the original tune and the out improvisation.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-SRYPec0ur0/TTmA0C9ld3I/AAAAAAAANEA/U2m3h74vTEA/s400/ART%252BPEPPER.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2uovPNWvIF0KQbJuf4Sxvp
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
Nice album this
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 voteshttp://jeepsterdesign.com/swatchpica/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/15_1962-freddie-hubbard-hub-tones1.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6WXQu3KjFlb9Hjwzy3vyS5
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
This is a real classic
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah love that
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/h/hender_eddi_sunburst~_101b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0OBbbHk9bIj8k5DnzzQnkk
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
another classic imo
thats a good album
still 'incredible jazz guitar' & 'live at birdland' are better than almost all of the records (of the ones ive heard) that have listed since
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
well if you had voted then they would have been higher!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
im not sure i would have been able to do this ... it covers such a huge amt of music
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
it does, but it's fun! And the whole top 250 is full of great music.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Voteshttp://www.miomusik.com/freddie_hubbard/ready_for_freddie_CD_large.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1WW55eOxlZCvPWJDYmhZXD
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
and that is a terrific album.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
Maybe everyone prefers their Carnegie Hall album now -- I do -- but this is TOO LOW
― Brad C., Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
can't c&p today evidently
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 voteshttp://storage.canalblog.com/82/35/500408/44184374_m.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Great to see this make it too!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
for the bulk of my jazz listening days 'ready for freddie' was out of print so i built it up in my mind as some kind of lost classic. finally found a japanese import, have to say I was kind of disappointed by how regular it was, great performances & everything but I think I was imagining something incredible
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 voteshttp://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/22/albumcoverBlueMitchell-TheThingToDo.jpg?1198362921http://open.spotify.com/album/0av5agyPuFMf5oW3nStEPM
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
always kind of underwhelmed by blue mitchell for w/e reason -- i mean hes def solid but just solid
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
So pleased to see this get in , it really is a classic bit of hard bop!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
i havent heard that record in particular tho
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
You really should!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
TIE188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GHZk4JXYL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3G4iWm5LEhCRPyRCTl5PlD
188John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 voteshttp://www.musicaparliamone.com/coltrane_lush_life.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3lT7z06WwFTTIeRT6gGDKL
seems appropriate they tied
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
deej you a fan of 50s coltrane at all? or do you prefer the 60s stuff?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 voteshttp://record.ticro.com/record/jacket/L10001187.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/05dECqC2jTJKERNKAOykqk
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
A wonderful album, a masterpiece. Check it out!
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 voteshttp://shop.allaboutjazz.com/images/andrewhillcompulsion.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4KL9IZQdZKRj3gtR90EVp0
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
i love 50s trane.
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 voteshttp://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/4/15/albumcoverArtBlakeyAndTheJazzMessengers-ANightInTunisia.jpg?1208297463http://open.spotify.com/album/0oGkNKWrFghBenF0j16VVW
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
i'm curious about that Lou D. I've owned a couple of his over the years and never woulda thought he had a "masterpiece" in him....
― quaff the spud you warbling milkbag (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
Plenty of the jazz guys had a 'masterpiece' in them, just that some had several and a few had a dozen (then there's miles & trane!)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
so some get overlooked. I'm really glad these albums are being introduced to people who have never heard them (including me) I'm also revisiting some stuff for the 1st time in ages.
So subscribe to the Spotify top 250 playlist that I created and enjoy!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 voteshttp://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/004/910/0000491047_350.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
One I voted for. I love Archie Shepp.
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 voteshttp://www.israbox.com/uploads/posts/2011-01/1294284532_15.jpeghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2w8CUvLWgSw0FdQ4vE2vR5
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
Another brilliant album.
TIE181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8gvtYuOL_SA/Sxvnk1q0bFI/AAAAAAAAAN8/AnZlZL2P3DY/s400/worldgalaxy.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/19CHRB8Sg7K5WRYMxllspL
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 voteshttp://991.com/newGallery/Albert-Ayler-Bells-459353.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
most of these albums ive posted (that I know) i feel the urge to shout 'too low' and this next one is no exception
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 voteshttp://cover6.cduniverse.com/CDUCoverArt/Music/Large/6240801.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7GfDutks6MtlOJA7JFRe45
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
both those jackie mclean albums are classics so please check em out.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41dQgK1fr9L._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4RvpKDJOaZviOSomNRyob4
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 voteshttp://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/9f2b70106a767c13c10674c7c7a1f7df/61423.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0ilO7avgQcUxwYhgJkZRsU
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
good album this but wouldn't say it was better than The All Seeing Eye
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 voteshttp://jazzsermon.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/02/williams-lifetime.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5eh7h0yLICXabyJMRI66B2
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
he was only 18 when he recorded this album.
dope ass album
― D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 voteshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Archie_Shepp_-_Attica_Blues.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2lt1zOeMpfEPbxb8hQg80M
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
both those jackie mclean albums are unfuckwithbale, tho i might've expected to see let freedom ring place a little higher
wondering if i'm the only person who rates freddie hubbard's early CTI albums above his blue notes? we shall see
kinda weird that voters like hammond organ jazz AND "out" stuff so much, but hey unpredictability is good
i own that hassell/eno album on vinyl and have always dug but never associated it with jazz
anyway culling some excellent recommendations from this - keep em coming
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
not only does that sum ILM up, but me too. i got into 60s coltrane then blue note 60s avant bop stuff then fusion/electric/rock came naturally as i loved funk and i went into free jazz then i worked my way back devouring everything i could find from about 1950-75. I really do need to go back further, hoping this poll will clue me in on new stuff, then the pre45 tracks poll ez snappin suggested in the nominations thread might happen and i'll find good stuff in that.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
ok next one up actually has a #1 vote. And it's a good album.
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 votehttp://www.emimusic.es/images/novedades/1015/big/curtis_fuller_the_opener_300.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3eva44waMaCOJMWbbarsuH
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
When I nominated this classic I didn't expect it to get many votes, so nice one ILM!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 voteshttp://www.cannonball-adderley.com/leadpic/1144.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2fDg4j0a74aPZMyVQ5ac11
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
Love Somethin' Else... LOVE it. This thread is going to result in way, way too many hours of Spotify patronage.
― Clarke B., Monday, 29 August 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i woulda voted fr this one
― zvookster, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
how many records on a ballot?
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-eg-CWVHL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6btV6MDYhXZ2F6ZKKUfvdh
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
You could vote up to a maximum of 100 (a lot did)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
last two are A+++++ records (although the byrd record is more a pop album to me)
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 voteshttp://img.noiset.com/images/album/charles-mingus-the-clown-download-45901.jpeghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2XtydLjClSxUt6uMA9Zhpb
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
i did warn you guys there was shock low placings
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
but that's a biggie
yeah some of this is crazy
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
you just can't predict an ilm poll sometimes
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
seandalai is still stunned with Lanquidity placing so low
lanquidity is awesome but "this is how i feel" is like a thousand times awesome
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
xp - Really surprised Lanquidity wasn't at least 100 places higher - I was under the impression that it was the "crossover" Ra album, certainly the one I'd play to a first-time listener.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Monday, 29 August 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
honestly i think his 'greatest hits for intergalactic travel' comp is one of the few jazz comps that is a better introduction to an artist than any particular albunm
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
at least in terms of giving an idea of an artist's breadth
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
TIE170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DorlDAK3iLM/TWH50ZyvzfI/AAAAAAAAByM/TJHouj85SLo/s1600/count_basie-atomic_mr._basie_180_gr.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/03M3VID0s2wANlxJIJBWKb 170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-svpWXLOSM4/SP9Cy-EtEzI/AAAAAAAABrs/8X6sfNB35Cg/s400/6g4cwhj.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5ufqOq0QvMNnlexELRazNO
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
xp I'll keep that in mind deej; Mingus is someone who I've wanted to get into for a very long time...
― FOXBS NEWS (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 29 August 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
thats a sun ra comp -- i was talking about that vs lanquidity
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
mingus' ah um is actually a great album introduction to him, imo -- it is almost like ... each of his archetypal song types in one lp
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000014KI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
Don't know that one
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Monday, 29 August 2011 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
lmao this is getting ridiculous
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
the best jazz albums ever + sun ra's entire discography
it's a good 'un to be fair
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vKVXbIp0-Z0/SdWQpaQ_8SI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/29ZKkgMG8oI/s320/black+ark.gifhttp://open.spotify.com/album/21yTq5npCbZZVl9bTBWxpW
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
i get the feeling everyone has their own fave sun ra album and there's little consensus
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
this noah howard album is a great bit of free jazz btw
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 voteshttp://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/000/283/0000028335_350.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/62r4UbMeVkISnWjWO0xprJ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link
fantastic live album that. Love Lee Morgan.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4124KBRWV8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
Is that his album of Yes covers?
― Internet Looser (_Rudipherous_), Monday, 29 August 2011 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_r9BHjNdFgbI/SZnvsO-CUoI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/v3bc6Lsq3vs/s400/49.+Kenny+Burrell+-+Midnight+Blue+(1963)b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0hMuKAciHKinu4L3R4Ojjl
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
lovely album that. Glad it placed.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
if there's anyone around i can do a few more tonight
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
if i could get to 160 tonight that leaves 40 for monday and 30 for the other days.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
I think those tuning in on a monday at work will be happier with the smaller countdown as it will be by then?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:37 (twelve years ago) link
midnight blue is so goooooood
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 voteshttp://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/30/albumcoverMilesDavis-Walkin.jpg?1199005833http://open.spotify.com/album/7nFwdPkEbfMUb1c5xuHGR6
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
glad this beat some sun ra, deej?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 voteshttp://www.zonadejazz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ggs_fr.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0fsN0YALT8WGjJQALq73Ac
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
I love that cover
Spent some quality time this afternoon listening to Bailey, Green, Hutcherson, Art Ensemble, Dolphy, Montgomery and Roach. For a Sunday the mellower stuff from the first three worked especially nicely. Not quite in the mood for more Pharoah Sanders right now.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes http://53rdand3rd.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/judgment.jpg?w=497&h=497http://open.spotify.com/album/1UTKa9k864z70CFgpoJy1f
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
the interplay between hill & hutcherson on judgement is amazing. plus: elvin jones = classic album
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Monday, 29 August 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes http://www.jazz.com/assets/2009/8/31/Eric_Dolphy--Out_There.jpg?1251754457http://open.spotify.com/album/1RQIum14JDyvpYKD8dbKYJ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
could someone repost the link to the results spotify playlist? pleeeeeaze?
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Monday, 29 August 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify Results playlistRemember to subscribe
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 03:23 (twelve years ago) link
done, thanks!
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Monday, 29 August 2011 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
This is great. Sorry I didnt participate, I knew it was there, saw it for weeks/months, just couldn't get myself to actually do anything about it. Lush Life may have been my number 1. That Sarah Vaughan record is pure, my dad saw her as well, said it was the best voice he ever heard.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 29 August 2011 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
Recap -
250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3 248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3 234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5 233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4 231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4 229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3 228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4 227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5 226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4 225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4 224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4 223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4 222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4 221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5 220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3 219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes
200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votesTIE 188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votesTIE181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes 181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votesTIE170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes 169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes 168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes 161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
deej did you ever see these posts? Nominations Thread for ILX POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL (nominations now closed)(includes Spotify playlist)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 04:14 (twelve years ago) link
The list looks pretty nice so far, I voted for these:
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
The Sarah Vaughan album was my #2, it's simply has incredible performances by everyone involved, particularly Vaughan herself, who does some wonderful scatting and other improvisation that doesn't sound like showing off (as scatting sometimes does to me), but feels integral to the song. The version of "Lullaby of Birdland" on this album is pretty much the definite version for me.
Glad to see Alice Coltrane's Eternity place, like Turangalila said, "Om Supreme" on it is an amazing tune, possibly the single best song she ever recorded. I wish she'd done more choral works like that. Other parts of Eternity are good too, especially the tune that (according to the liner notes) imitates the four gaits of a horse; despite the silly concept it has a killer organ groove! I was also suprised to see World Galaxy place so low, as many people (though not me) seem to think it's her best album... I guess it's partly because World Galaxy has never been reissued except in Japan? Though if it's now available in Spotify, that will at least make it easier for people to hear it.
It's also nice to Journey to One place: it's a beautiful, meditative album, despite (or because of) being much smoother than Pharoah Sanders's late 60s/early 70s work. If you've dismissed Pharoah because you think he's just an overblowing free jazz man, you should check that album out, it might change you opinion. There is some fusiony stuff on it, but parts of it are suprisingly traditional be/hard bop, and Pharoah proves he can excel in that style too.
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 08:43 (twelve years ago) link
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41D-cpQmkJL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0nAhB6PO2myKUZtkgSPDGB
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
Sonny Sharrock,Roy Ayers and Larry Coryell are on this brilliant album.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
Tie158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 voteshttp://www.ljplus.ru/img4/d/a/daily_album/dorothy.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4STr3oNvdlt2S5LbQx4nG6
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/__EEazoSy5Go/TMel-yHvsRI/AAAAAAAAACw/v-6UA0O9Sbg/s1600/albumcoverYusefLateef-EasternSounds.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0963505kg714S5rqZwKZ9I
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
OTM. I wish Elvin had been on more of Hill's records.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
I wouldn't count myself a huge Morgan fan, but this record is a fucking monster. "Speedball" with DeJohnette is terrifying.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 voteshttp://blog-imgs-44.fc2.com/j/c/a/jcalife/2011070511215898a.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0oNoEAy0RMBOqwRYtkhKRb
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
dunno, aside from a few trax, i thought that doroth ashby record was a little disappointing. not sure what i was expecting. it's cool, but most of the records below it are better!
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
if she actually played harp with her afro, that would be something
― ۩ (crüt), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
but first she would have to grow an afro
― ۩ (crüt), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for the Ashby album, it has a nice groove. But yeah, it's arguably a bit out of place in this company.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
Actually thought Dark Magus would place a little higher. Isn't the consensus that this is the best of his mid-70s live doubles?
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/160/160334_1_f.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6Utj0CAgAWsPLFCVfaqDnB
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
^^^such a sweet record, what a great band. the keyboards on this are all time. re: dark magus -- i dig it, it might be the record you'd recommend to Can fans or something, but it feels a little monochromatic to me overall, just bludgeoning you over and over. agharta and pangaea really show off what that band was capable of -- it wasn't all pounding, relentless stuff.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't the consensus that this is the best of his mid-70s live doubles?
No, not at all. There is no real consensus, though most people tend to pick Agharta. I'm a big fan of DM, but it's as close to metal as Miles ever got. I also like In Concert from '72, which a lot of people find weird and off-putting and too spacey.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
in concert is sort of the companion to on the corner right? or am i getting them mixed up.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
while we're on the topic, these '75 shows are worth your time! http://theultimatebootlegexperience2.blogspot.com/2011/08/miles-davis-1975-three-shows-live-in.html
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
― that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, August 29, 2011 11:40 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
I think I assumed that because of how Robert Quine used to talk about it, and how Robert Palmer's RS obit mentioned it (but not Agharta or Pagaea) as a key document/turning point. Personally, I'm on the fence between it and Agharta, but like tylerw said, they serve different purposes.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51h8n9d-0WL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0lYz13Pd1IYa7kZVoTUlN4
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
ha, well there ya go. love this thing, such an experiential record. used to have a tape of it and it was the perfect soundtrack for driving around LA at night.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
btw listening to the spotify playlist on random (or at least i've categorized it "by album"). great stuff! thx for putting it together.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 voteshttp://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/649/cover_38361312112010.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0chWLemqlI6G1GOEr1q1bz
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
Always thought this was ILM's fave MO album.
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 voteshttp://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/05/611905.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0ho5QwQEbCrcMdl3aecViv
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Inner Mountain Flame is my fave, but only 70 on my ballot. Just so many dang albums.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think i've ever (knowingly) heard hank mobley, but that looks badass
― IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Monday, 29 August 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
plus it reminds me how much i want to purchase that Blue Note album covers book. whoever oversaw their design back then was badass. it was probably hank mobley
― IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Monday, 29 August 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
yeah blue notes are beautiful. can't go wrong with mobley's late 50s-early 60s stuff. i assume soul station will show up pretty near the top? maybe not i don't know. but it's definitely one of the great hard bop records of all time.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 voteshttp://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/10/gilberto.jpg?1197308631http://open.spotify.com/album/5p7LZlOPMvScCXw5M77xyV
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
Mobley's Soul Station is arguably THE hard bop/blue note epitome and surely Hank's finest moment
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Monday, 29 August 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
hank mobley is brilliant and Soul Station is one of the greatest albums ever imo
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511PVjD%2BrPL._SS500_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4dtxRpI4YLoLu5kAzht41r
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
whoa there's a book? want
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Monday, 29 August 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
Aye, its a great looking book too.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
Recap - 250-151
250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes
200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votesTIE188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votesTIE181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votesTIE170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes 160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votesTie158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
Hope everyone is enjoying the poll so far. Enjoying all the comments so keep them coming. Always interested in hearing anyones thoughts.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
never been really able to get into jazz at massey hall, prefer the Birdland '50 parker date, with Fats Navarro, Bud Powell, Art Blakey. sound is not awesome, but listenable, and captures Parker playing some of the most amazing stuff of his career. navarro was just a week or so away from dying, but he's incredible too. something off about the performance/sound quality of massey hall that puts me off. some cool stuff, but more of an "event" than a great show?
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
the sgt peppers of jazz? ;)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
tylerw OTM re: Massey Hall. Never heard of that Birdland date! Holy crap! Will check out, post-haste.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's less famous because it's not (to my knowledge) ever been a standalone (might only be 30 minutes of music or so). but it's on a bud powell set I have on proper, and on another parker live set called chasin' the bird. really incredible recording.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
It's been def overhyped as greatest jazz concert ever, based on the big names. Interesting bit on Wiki - "...owing to a boxing prize fight between Rocky Marciano and Jersey Joe Walcott taking place simultaneouly, the audience was so small that the Society was unable to pay the musicians' fees."
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
TIE149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 voteshttp://www.progreviews.com/reviews/images/BC-Spec.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5JmNk3ayVaujKO5hFvU5YA
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vIdq12StL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/07kblmHGjZ8KmwogxMDd4q
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
the playing on Spectrum is amazing. One for the rock fans - it features Tommy Bolin on guitar.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
Spectrum has some nice moments, but man I can't stand the hard rock guitar riffs on it.
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
(x-post, hahaha!)
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
^ posts completely in character hahaha
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41QJ5BWZ2RL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7dTSo2PZoS6W7aKny9I1hW
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
excellent album this.
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 voteshttp://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/21/2183/21PCD00Z/posters/miles-davis-workin-with-the-miles-davis-quintet.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1vktIbBz606HKcMr6Cs6jw
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't vote for that Monk album only because my own lists start at 1949. Before that, LPs didn't exist. Those Monk sides were issued as 78s, and first issued as a compilation on a 10" LP in 1951, and expanded from 8 to 12 songs on 12" in 1956. This poll doesn't include comps does it?
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
Workin is a must-hear even if you're not into 50s jazz so much - "trane's blues" is where the big guy comes into his own
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Monday, 29 August 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
that prestige box of the miles quintet is essssssential. sort of interesting -- not really similar to a lot of the stuff that was happening at the same time? at least to my ears. more delicate and deliberate than the blue note/hard bop stuff.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
This monk comp got in because people pleaded that it should be and that it wasn't a greatest hits style comp etc.
And Workin' is indeed great.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
"alabama" just came up on the spotify playlist, which is always a "stop you in your tracks" kind of song.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
lol followed up by an ad for mastodon's new album. #awkwardspotifysegues
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
TIE145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 voteshttp://jazzismylife.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/cover31.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3C2hpKCQ1C8l8F5sLAQHXe
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes http://www.amiright.com/album-cover-themes/images/album-Herbie-Hancock-Mr-Hands.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6RvJbmTWu2vW5XRubeZeTF
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
don't know that herbie album. Seems strangely high
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
me neither -- is it disco-y? y'know, i've never been able to get too into that jazz messengers/monk record. i should give it another try. doesn't seem as strong as both of the principals' records from around the same time.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
mr. hands isn't disco-y at all, not really like the headhunters heavy funk era either. kinda like herbie stepped back from what he'd been doing, incorporated some world music vibes. nice.
i feel the same way about the jazz messengers/monk. not an audiophile by any means but i never thought it sounded that great (performances aside)
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Monday, 29 August 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that might be one of the problems, monk's piano sounding kinda harsh? i'll have to check out mr. hands.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
It's not that disco-y, except for "Just Around the Corner", which is an awesome piece of disco-funk-jazz. Most of it is actually pretty straightforward jazz, and it has Herbie at his most melodic, but his using a whole bunch of early-80s synths whose sound is of acquired taste. Personally, I love it! Also, it has one of the most wtf covers ever to grace an album by a mainstream recording artist.
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
(xx-post)
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
hee, yeah that cover is rad.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_elCAjJC38T0/RuF2iXZ9FbI/AAAAAAAAAsA/75Vrk_XmwC0/s400/12LPjap%252520142.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5eubtUqOh4fqfaZXA8Ha4X
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
Grant Green recorded so much high-quality music for Blue Note during the first half of the '60s that a number of excellent sessions went unissued at the time. Even so, it's still hard to figure out why 1964's Matador was only released in Japan in 1979, prior to its U.S. CD reissue in 1990 -- it's a classic and easily one of Green's finest albums. In contrast to the soul-jazz and jazz-funk for which Green is chiefly remembered, Matador is a cool-toned, straight-ahead modal workout that features some of Green's most advanced improvisation, even more so than his sessions with Larry Young. Part of the reason for that is that Green is really pushed by his stellar backing unit: pianist McCoy Tyner, bassist Bob Cranshaw, and drummer Elvin Jones. Not only is Green leading a group that features one-half of the classic Coltrane Quartet, but he even takes on Coltrane's groundbreaking arrangement of "My Favorite Things" -- and more than holds his own over ten-plus minutes. In fact, every track on the album is around that length; there are extended explorations of two Green originals ("Green Jeans" and the title track) and Duke Pearson's Middle Eastern-tinged "Bedouin," plus the bonus cut "Wives and Lovers," a swinging Bacharach pop tune not on the Japanese issue. The group interplay is consistently strong, but really the spotlight falls chiefly on Green, whose crystal-clear articulation flourishes in this setting. And, for all of Matador's advanced musicality, it ends up being surprisingly accessible. This sound may not be Green's claim to fame, but Matador remains one of his greatest achievements.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
this one is great - m favorite things works surprisingly well with guitar. doesn't hurt to have coltrane's band behind him of course.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
Just dropping in to say that this has been an amazing list so far. Lots of stuff that I know and love, but just as much that I haven't really listened to much, so I'm extra psyched that it is all going into Spotify. Thanks all!!!
― Moodles, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
yeah spotify is making this a pleasure.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
thirded -- am really enjoying knowing that it is all there on spotify for those times when i have time to go through it
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Monday, 29 August 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 voteshttp://ring.cdandlp.com/splash/photo_grande/114030344.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6BZmB3e4cPEBkCX7nTVMpP
Dunno this album, but it gets 2 stars on AMG
This is a strange LP. Trumpeter Freddie Hubbard and his quintet (which consisted of tenor-saxophonist Junior Cook, pianist Kenny Barron, bassist Art Booth and drummer Louis Hayes) is joined by a chorus, a string orchestra, several reciters, an organist and a variety of processed sounds emanating from tapes. The thoughts expressed in the music (topical and anti-war messages) are quite sincere but the abstract sounds will only be enjoyed by a limited audience; jazz fans should look elsewhere.
I think,like MR. Hands, Tuomas nominated it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
I remember tuomas playing a track from it in outloud and it was nice. That was the first I had heard of it, but it seems a few of you do. Will check it out later.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 voteshttp://image.musicimport.biz/sdimages/disk17/658758.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4KI0kC5rANmc5YeXyNshDr
This is a really good album.
wtf @ random hubbard album
thats gotta be from these dudes nominating harp jazz and sci fi record covers right
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
it's not an ilm poll without huge albums being left out completely,finishing low,some bizarrely low and some weird inclusions, is it?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
you guys are nuts placing that over Hub-Tones!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51p-UiZMwvL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6r01XL7XUvSTK4p6M7bmbC
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
xxxp because harp jazz is not Real Jazz, right? o_O
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 29 August 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't nominate Songmy, but I voted for it. Probably not as "classic" as some other Hubbard albums, but it's unlike anything I've ever heard, and that counts for something. The intro alone is a brilliantly creepy piece of experimentalism, though I think we have to thank Ilhan Mimaroglu (the producer of the album) more than Hubbard for all the weirdness.
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5 http://www.coversdaddy.com/frontcovers/charles-mingus-tijuana-moods-1957-music-front-cover-5716.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4kaQvqgh3GVhDhV0OeNYIwvotes
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, August 29, 2011 1:58 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
and ready for freddie!!
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, August 29, 2011 1:54 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
more like its not ilm without extra credit given to albums that are 'weird' in genre polls
tijuana moods is pretty wild -- the spoken stuff gets out there. liner notes are hilarious too, in usual mingus style.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
"ilm post-1945 jazz albums that do not feature anything weird poll"
― Spectrist, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
not just genre polls...'o superman' winning 1981 poll
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 29 August 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
Who said anything about "extra credit"? The album placed at #143 (and it was #60 in my ballot), it's not like we voted it to top ten or something.
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
― Spectrist, Monday, August 29, 2011 2:21 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
who said anything about 'not featuring anything weird' ... im talking about 18 sun ra albums making a list that has 'live at birdland' near the bottom of the 250
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
o superman is great!!! (can't believe the o superman argument has spilled over into this poll thread lol)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
Don't worry Deej, I'm sure there'll be much more Coltrane than Sun Ra in the actual top 100.
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/h/hancoc_herb_manchild~_101b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5ez9bb1h1hOLV8Wb5YCmkj
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
i voted for this, one of my fave HH albums, admittedly it's more a funk album, but hey
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
Tijuana Moods was one of my top picks. I think I nommed that, too.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 29 August 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-SRYPec0ur0/TOJ5wtU8-PI/AAAAAAAAMZ4/KZ9QwDpjn3U/s400/Pharoah%252BSanders%252B%25281969%2529%252BJewels%252Bof%252BThought.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Kinda disappointed at that one placing so low; it's arguably even better than Karma (which suffers from a weaker second track, unlike Jewels of Thought).
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for Jewels of Thought although it was the lowest-ranked of the four Sanders albums in my list.
Really enjoying the poll so far by the way - not got around to posting before now but have been busy noting down/listening to some of the many albums I've not heard. Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata has impressed me the most so far but also really enjoyed Brown Rice and Stone Flower. So much beautiful cover art on the thread already too.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 voteshttp://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/images/covers/john-patton-let-em-roll.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6GikhGod1ea9wJLMdX7Fk7
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Classic!!
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kx1SR8aqMWY/ScnRpQ1vtDI/AAAAAAAAAXI/q5Aeli0vubg/s400/OJCCD-337-2~Sonny-Rollins-Way-Out-West-Posters.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1umQ9vRpNkLL6mS7Te7zqS
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
brown rice is a great record, so is the rollins
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
oh man i love sonny rollinsawesome cover
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah way out west is a cool example of taking what seems like a pretty questionable concept and making amazing music anyway. love the spareness of the trio sound here, rollins doesn't need a piano to sound huge.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
i remember reading some interview with the photographer of the way out west cover and him saying that through the whole shoot rollins was like "are you fucking kidding me." you can kind of see that in his expression. but then later he told the photog he loved the end result.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, that's funny. Such a great record.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
next one is dedicated to deej
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 voteshttp://www.musicbazz.com/sites/default/files/1722-1313074001.jpg
sun ra feat. charles mingus - celebrating krautrock
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
"One of the things I used to love about buying records was that thing where you just can't get hold of the stuff you want- like now, where people go round every dance shop in London, or every indie shop in London for some American import, until finally you find it, and it's like - 'YES! I've got it!' And then that record really becomes a part of your life. And I used to get that with Sun Ra. I got really into that sort of way-out avant-garde jazz, but you couldn't find his records anywhere. So, one day I was in a jazz shop in Chicago -which I think is where Sun Ra came from - and I said, 'have you got any Sun Ra?' The guy says, 'Yeah, all his stuff.' I said, 'give me everything.' 'Everything?' 'Yeah.' He comes back with 250 albums. Most of which I've still got in that room over there, still in the shrink-wrap."
-- Pete Townshend, picking this as one of his 10 favorite records
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BApIdqirL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5Xe3jzd5GQMGVOrvTW1pUQ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
BRILLIANT album
Sounds like it was Jazz Record Mart Townsend spoke of. I wonder what year that was!
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
^ I was thinking the same thing! My guess is around 1967. He has also said that he listened to Heliocentric Worlds while writing the songs for My Generation, so he probably had that one Ra record, then tried to find all the others.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/d/davis_miles_sorcerer1_101b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/55tHsdolIq77ph1iiepCJt
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Pointshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513V4ZRAJNL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3x38mYlwkm6L6vYIn0Hzqk
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
votes?
― little mushroom person (abanana), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
huh! thought that one would place higher. lives up to the hype -- totally fucking magical.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
it didnt tell me the votes
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
oh man, much too low
― Brad C., Monday, 29 August 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
6 votes btw
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 voteshttp://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/23/albumcoverFreddieHubbard-RedClay.jpg?1198408924http://open.spotify.com/album/3rbGfGoXGh1pFkzyehRJww
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
i thought that one would be higher
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
like top 20
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bb7FZalWSV0/R1LYx5FXkiI/AAAAAAAAAGI/c3dlr1vtagk/s320/Vince+Guaraldi+Trio+-+A+Charlie+Brown+Christmas+%5B2ooo%5D.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/63oSjt2uoVT76AFQubK1by
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 voteshttp://www.alwaysontherun.net/coltrane/kulu.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0Dmh6U7qIYFgdV417ijubH
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
Another ILM fave I thought
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 voteshttp://21.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kojxtpkXKm1qzn195o1_500.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3I384qOJvXmO8z1s3PqImP
CLASSIC
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
really recommend this album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 voteshttp://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/21/2183/NFPCD00Z/posters/bacon-paul-thelonious-monk-monk-s-music.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
I need a poster of that cover. Isn't it great?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hLY9DmXXlH4/TCX-vxi_-0I/AAAAAAAAB7U/PonlzKOp4bw/s1600/b449ad7bfd6e3867b2010405262.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3qr5zSyMn6r7chKsSMZRag
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
that's from 1966
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
just ordered the blue note covers book. half tempted to spend all the money i own on all these records.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
i bought live at the lighthouse the other day! £3 in a charity bin. cover is ratty as shit but it still sounds crisp.
sorry for not voting, never noticed this was going on until now. but its ok deej, i wouldnt have voted for sun ra.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61JbqURizlL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3PNdqbnqRHlHqfV2O93M7m
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
Hey winston! Thought the jazz world had lost you!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 voteshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Porgy_and_Bess_(Miles_Davis).jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5TZUz4IkdUZY8i1cnbaAHz
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
guess who is next up?
Kevin Eubanks!
― IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
kenny g?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
I should limit my snark to Tonight Show-era Kevin Eubanks. I've heard he was actually not bad before that?
― IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NXNFKPYHL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1h7NtOd5fdBQEjJbB9Wk2B
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
haha miles dominating the list is ok w me i suppose
porgy & bess too low imo but thats a personal fav of mine
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
Will take it through to 120 tonight
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
Would have thought Getz / Gilberto would be much much higher.
― dsb, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 voteshttp://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz2me8OInA1qbqs44o1_500.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6Rdz45YhjBSLIt3pTlpwM9
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
#122
2 more tonight
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 voteshttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2504/4015072177_a7f56c201c.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0EjZrppt6J0Y24HcZhwQzC
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
Superb album
want to guess who is the last one for tonight?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 voteshttp://991.com/newGallery/Sun-Ra-Nothing-Is-447125.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
Recap 250-120
200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votesTIE188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votesTIE181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votesTIE170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votesTie158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes
TIE149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votesTIE145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes 144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5 139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
Good thing I didn't guess
― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
Quite a lot of albums you thought would be higher then?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 06:48 (twelve years ago) link
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 voteshttp://community2.metalreview.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/7/4456.163756_5F00_1_5F00_f.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5XUa3oXCc66bO8yGlWqbLO
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
When I first started collecting jazz in the early 90s, I picked up a used copy of Len Lyons' The 101 Best Jazz Albums (1980) as a reference. I knew it was just scratching the surface, but even after 20 years, several hundred albums and many other references, I had still not encountered some of the artists that are popular here, like Grant Green, Bobby Hutcherson and Big John Patton. This is a great way to discover new stuff -- I think my top 100 will be transformed after this poll is completed. I leave for vacation Wed, and will be packing a lot of jazz on my player, and plenty to look forward to catching up on the next week!
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51gUi2%2BSc8L._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/56I4vUYWQ4aXLiyfo8XuZv
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 voteshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Matador_(Kenny_Dorham_album).jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0X0CjMhSUs8trANtrSCbrQ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_r9BHjNdFgbI/TCfBpYZYIsI/AAAAAAAAHpY/jd_agDsO9GI/s400/Charles+Mingus+1962+Oh+Yeah+b%5B444%5D.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4tj38XID2vHZmlYxOVR9v4
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
its a tie with:
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
That Kenny Dorham cover is rad.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
TIE115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 voteshttp://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/001/486/0000148654_350.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/66CAtljsOdCUxSiEtiNy9h
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
good album that
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MkvR9RYpWvw/R7NdXxIECHI/AAAAAAAAALk/jAHqI5yjlhQ/s320/First+Meditations.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
What the fuck is that cover?
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sure I've seen that with a normal tasteful Impulse cover.
Maybe not, sorry. Maybe that's just Meditations.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
That picture doesn't even look like Trane (or is it supposed to be someone else?)
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
That was my 13th. Wonder if I'm the only one to rate it a bit higher than Meditations. This was the third after Oh Yeah and Sarah Vaughan in my top 40 to appear.
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
well there's this onehttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41V2819P8DL._SL500_AA300_.jpgwhich is a later recording of most of the same material. the "first" meditations (quartet version) was released posthumously, i believe. trying to get psychedelic...or something.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
First Meditations was released in 1978, I believe. Hence the crappy cover. Great record, though; fascinating to hear Meditations with just the unaugmented quartet.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://allmusic.com/album/first-meditations-r136916
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
The difference is that First Meditations was recorded 9/2/65, and Meditations was recorded 11/23/65 with Pharoah Sanders and Rashid Ali.
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4OaDr9HgD6s/TVqj5AIFLTI/AAAAAAAADZM/OPE3UQycJmU/s1600/album-miles-ahead.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6WOddaa5Vqp8gQZic8ZUw9
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
Never heard First Meditations despite ranking Meditations proper um, quite highly on my ballot. That cover stopped me from ever picking it up in record stores tbh.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
i must admit im unfamiliar with it too
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
they're both great -- first meditations is better imo.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
Dudes. It's the very last recording made by the classic Coltrane quartet. Whether you think it's better than the later version or not, it's essential!
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 voteshttp://storage.canalblog.com/14/06/500408/29452842.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4Ngkptf4tipkoTOIjoF2kW
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
such a big album...I voted for this.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
i forget if i did or not. I cant remember my ballot at all so if there's a lack of 'i voted for this' it's probably because i forgot if i did or not.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
That's the one Shorter Blue Note I haven't heard. I'm reasonably certain Super Nova is on my ballot, though.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 voteshttp://www.collectorshowcase.fr/IMAGES2/bn_6304.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6uF5FWBpktRA9OAdC0mMZI
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
A real masterpiece this album
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KDBb8Cf_vM0/SxMHxB0tCYI/AAAAAAAAADA/RzezkMR43vc/s1600/LouDonaldson.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3t30iLOTupVo9r3J5lJtm4
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
good album this and it's a great cheeky cover!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 voteshttp://www.progreviews.com/reviews/images/MT-Exp.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
super album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
would buy that rubik's cube
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZS3yxkqJL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1qxketIip4Mbqb2TglxPuY
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
Surprised this one beat the older (the better ones at least) albums tbh
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/S1BjwNu9GKI/AAAAAAAADso/KLVXi90FGHk/s400/Donald+Byrd+-+Black+Byrd.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0j5Nx6IeRw3H5gohShC0qZ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
Love this album so much.
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 voteshttp://deadleafonafence.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/waltz-for-debby-19611.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/34IpO0C1HTqI64fmPi3OyU
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://manicpopthrills.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/acelebration.jpghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Low_c%27mon.jpg
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Low_c%27mon.jpg
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Low_c%27mon.jpg
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
(should have been one post, those last three)
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Like thishttp://www.bongal.com/uploads/groups/2010-04/233x233/12707195821270719545.84-e59fdd0ffaeebaf6418f2a9f6d06979b.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Low_c%27mon.jpg
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/r/ra_sun~~~~~_cosmicton_101b.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
deej will be chuffed to bits
Now that I've resolved my html problems, is there a way to see your history when listening to Spotify in shuffle mode or any mode) once you shift playlists? I just heard something cool with some kind of flamenco sound and castanets and a female vocalist and now I don't know what it was.
Actually I went to look at what it was and hit some button by accident which played something else.
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
last.fm?
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have Spotify, but my guess is Mingus, "Ysabel's Table Dance"
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
the advantages of scrobbling right here
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, that was it. Thanks, Fastnbulbous.
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, it's probably Ysabel's Table Dance from the awesome Tijuana Moods album. Also, Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy is an awesome album title & probably Sun Ra's best.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 voteshttp://images.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drg300/g398/g39866ig9ta.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3ZmQWhX0ASCJImWjdrucCA
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Also, Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy is an awesome album title & probably Sun Ra's best.
Best album title or best album?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
Both. :)
That Jackie McLean album is probably his best, too, imo.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
Cosmic Tones is definitely one of Ra's best. Ridiculously ahead of its time.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
How many Sun Ra is that now? I cba checking that and how many Miles & Trane albums are in so far as I have #103 to post
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1 http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/a/ayler_alber_albertayl_101b.jpgTho I suspect everyone was voting for http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Y42KD5AFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2XluGSERaQXvER7reSsGeP
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
that's my fave ayler.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
the "complete" set, i mean...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, it's a lot of peoples fave
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
My #1 vote. It gets to me on a physical level that no other jazz album reaches, I rarely ever listen to more than a couple of tracks in one sitting because I'm floored after the first one.
Also wow at that hippy-dippy psychedelic artwork, it makes even less sense than the dubious puppet cover on the 2-CD version.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
I actually think it makes more sense, at least from an old-fogey-record-company-dude-in-the-60s way: "The kids today, they like the swirly far-out letters!" That puppet, on the other hand, is random to the point of being insulting to Ayler's memory.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
both shit covers anyway - pity given the stellar artwork dominating the countdown hitherto.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cLI19EXK2oU/S-7HNrwbFwI/AAAAAAAAAmk/CdTL2e8dGfs/s1600/66644.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2XOQztLkohDDWZH8DEECkQ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
His first Blue Note lp and a beauty it is.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
I've never listened to Andrew Hill, what am I missing
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
A genius is what you're missing!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i need to get more andrew hill and more jackie mclean.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
everyone needs to
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
Definitely start with Andrew Hill's Point Of Departure.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nmjS6fd9kfU/TEFpidILfaI/AAAAAAAAALw/0rV_zP4M8cs/s1600/folder.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5142jRc6IrvsI7F6V7tUy2
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
Excellent record.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
it is indeed
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
Posted a mod req to get the title changed to alert everyone the top 100 is about to commence, so while i do the recap and then get #100 ready to post, perhaps people could post what they've really liked from 250-101 so those who haven't been following so far due to not liking big polls can check out some great music
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
Recap 250-100
TIE149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votesTIE145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votesTIE115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes 109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1 102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1FfeEq4IS8I/SsdSGT9BgsI/AAAAAAAADPU/vD8K8vy0T7o/s400/cover.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
a certai.n poste.r wil.l b.e please.d
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
For a long time I thought Theme de Yoyo contained the line "your body's like common birth oozing from its skin" and that made no sense that I wanted to countenance. Good album.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
Good way to usher in the top 100.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
Great record although it's the only AEoC album I've heard - will be checking out Message to Our Folks for sure.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
Another great record!
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 voteshttp://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/miles-davis/album-esp.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4AeaLfaovthnN1rO3OrMNH
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
so is every single Miles album going to place or what
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
(love the expression on his face on that sleeve btw)
I love both of their expressions -- it's such a strangely unflattering picture of both of them.
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
a bunch of stuff on my 25-album long ballot has already placed - including Les Stances of Sophie which is probably my favorite AEoC record behind Message to Our Folks. amazing band, kind of love everything I've ever heard by them
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't Frances say that they had a huge fight right before or right after that photo was taken? xp
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
both of their faces seem to be saying "can you believe this shit?"
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
i love ESP, might be my favorite second quintet album -- really great, beautiful sounding recording. kind of a more relaxed vibe than the others.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
Miles appears to be using E.S.P. on her and she is all like, "Go ahead, read my mind."
― Brad C., Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
i nearly bought esp the other' day but it had a gnarly looking scratch on it :( thought about it just for how cool the cover is.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Never really gotten along with ESP, find it quite a difficult listen.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
None of the second quintet studio stuff made my ballot, partly because I'm not familiar with the album formations (just have the box); but also, their live stuff is where I felt they did their best work, and the Plugged Nickel box, which would be on my short list for greatest things of the 20th century, wasn't eligible.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 voteshttp://www.afterhours.co.kr/upfile/artf.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
^^^badass
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, that's excellent.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
What's the title referring to btw?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
846 votes!!
― ۩ (crüt), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha
846 points
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
8 votes
I def don't like everything the art ensemble did but these last two are great. I hope"nice guys"makes it.
― D-40, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, August 30, 2011 8:30 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^___^
I actually haven't heard any of the other AEoC albums. Should definitely rectify that.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
I highly recommend:BaptizumPeople in SorrowMessage to Our Folks
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
ooh andReese and the Smooth Ones
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
Urban Bushmen also pretty fun
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
If you can find it, the "Art Ensemble 1967-68" box is wall-to-wall stunning.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
Are u ignoring nice guys bcuz you haven't heard it, to troll me or bcuz you are rong???
― D-40, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
Such a bummer that ECM took their catalog off spotify
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
>>> baptizm imo
― D-40, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks for the recommendations, guys, will check them out.
Was going to ask if we were tracking #1s but I've just had another look at the recap and there are some logged. Will be interesting to see what gets the most.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't heard it. I'm just recommending albums of theirs I really like.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
if I'd ever seen a copy of Nice Guys I probably would have bought it
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 voteshttp://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ab/9a/8bbc225b9da0606b47d8f010.L.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1lDtUlOPGKp56gQ24MvmNG
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
Brilliant album and probably his best of the pre-funk albums
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://allmusic.com/album/idle-moments-r139800/review
title track on that is ridic, some sort of competition between the players on who could play the slowest. i think joe henderson wins, because he sounds totally chill and totally tense at the same time.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, tylerw that is such a great observation. Indeed, great album.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
joe henderson guest spots are the best, he totally steals the show on "song for my father" too
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519uCx4ioyL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6FSgsN5ROADI1YQOieljKD
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XmZYtzQJAcc/Thd3JXmuQbI/AAAAAAAAAYs/vwXpmEfdqvQ/s1600/assd.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4eB1EydPfKodz77kKS2Khh
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
^ opening track is one of my all-time fave Coltrane recordings.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it is pretty heavenly
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
William if you're reading this could you change the title so it says the top 100 is counting down please? Otherwise some people wont click on it
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 voteshttp://www.covershut.com/covers/Duke-Ellington-Ellington-At-Newport-1956-Front-Cover-30446.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0tHfUPQwdystxD41YUZ9cm
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
title track on that is ridic, some sort of competition between the players on who could play the slowest. i think joe henderson wins, because he sounds totally chill and totally tense at the same time.― tylerw, Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:30 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkHaha, tylerw that is such a great observation. Indeed, great album.― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:33 PM (38 minutes ago)
― tylerw, Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:30 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:33 PM (38 minutes ago)
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_l2FFgW8KVL0/SpJWWHiudRI/AAAAAAAABD4/JL99EiupKZ0/s320/Sonny_Sharrock_AskTheAges.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
:)
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/21/2183/2GPCD00Z/posters/sonny-rollins-quartet-tenor-madness.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5qczcj3TPA0gqcsCUTbL7Q
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
teno madness is OK, but not mindblowing to me. wish there was a tape of the miles band w/ both coltrane and rollins -- that'd be something.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
Seconded.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 voteshttp://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/images/covers/herbie-hancock-empyrean-isles.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5HCi1WVOT9SGks2deeceFu
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Do you guys want 30 each on weds,thurs & friday ? or 10 more tonight and 40 on weds and the last 40 on thursday?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
Emp Isles would have been my #1 if I had voted.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
drag it out imo
― little mushroom person (abanana), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
Don't stop. After #1 you can go 251-1,000 :)
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
so you all agree on it finishing friday? I thought people at work hated polls finishing on friday as they miss the end.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
ok 30 each day it is then
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
Recap 250-90
250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3
Votes210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes
200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4
Votes198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votesTIE188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votesTIE181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votesTIE170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votesTie158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes
TIE149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votesTIE145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5
votes145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votesTIE115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes
100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes 95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes 91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90-61 Wednesday60-31 Thursday30-1 Friday.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
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― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
some really great albums up tomorrow so make sure you all check in
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
This is a tour de force of a thread. Bravo.
― B-Boy Bualadh Bos (ecuador_with_a_c), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, agreed! it's also functioning as a poll of top miles davis and john coltrane albums, but that's cool. in between those, i'm finding a bunch of new stuff to queue up for the winter!
― IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
glad you're enjoying it!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 09:56 (twelve years ago) link
Can we have more results?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 09:57 (twelve years ago) link
sun ship & ask the ages = TOO LOW. should have voted...
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 10:00 (twelve years ago) link
hmmm americans won't be up yet tuomas.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 10:14 (twelve years ago) link
What do you think of the results so far Tuomas?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 10:43 (twelve years ago) link
i'll start again today at about 1pm
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:18 (twelve years ago) link
just want to make sure people are around and posting
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:19 (twelve years ago) link
i love this thread. ilm + jazz = perfection
― mark e, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:23 (twelve years ago) link
found any albums you like from this poll?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:26 (twelve years ago) link
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 voteshttp://open.spotify.com/album/3wG8DcAJVgr7sbWNvKanzS
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
tuomas?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:30 (twelve years ago) link
Never really gave Birth of the Cool a chance. I was put off by the title.
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:55 (twelve years ago) link
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 voteshttp://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lam2whdmqk1qcxlvko1_500.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/391Mrqd3vAzEg8jnPwzEFH
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:59 (twelve years ago) link
Just catching up to yesterday's posts, but I'm going to play my only "TOO LOW!" on Waltz for Debby/Sunday at the Village Vanguard. Seriously figured at least one of those for top 20. So maybe Everybody Digs will be the top Evans pick?
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
Wtf "i ws put off by the title" its a jazz subgenre
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
I'll cosign sunday at the vv being too low
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
The complete Sunday/Debby box that came out a while back is totally essential.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
It was a joke, deej.
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hLY9DmXXlH4/TBzpeosWCMI/AAAAAAAAB6M/oqCPpKMwHFk/s1600/l8752.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1RmFQt2sOrHvtYcCF94Z9b
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:54 (twelve years ago) link
that was only the 18th Miles Davis album to appear so far in the 250
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:16 (twelve years ago) link
I'll be grazing here and there in the Spotify playlist for the next few days -- listing to Noah Howard now.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 voteshttp://991.com/newGallery/John-Coltrane-Crescent---180gm-508966.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0O6WxKmmQsjIrSkXh8qH0d
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
Alright, I give in - who is this John Coltrane guy who keeps popping up? Another obscure experimental funk ilx favorite?
― IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
That is the 10th Coltrane album to appear in the countdown
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
oh and Sun Ra has 8
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/SieXwHKcVtI/AAAAAAAACsw/o6qiGYRJEhI/s400/Freddie+Hubbard+-+Open+Sesame.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4WF3FMkvyd8Ogh2Hz76C9v
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
I'd be interested to see at the end who turns up on the most albums without having an album of their own on the list (i.e., which sidemen are most prominent).
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
ron carter or maybe billy higgins
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
i never gave birth of the cool a chance either. was put off by the music. nefertiti otoh is amazing.
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
Birth of the Cool is straight classic except for the final track with the vocal, which sorta ruins the mood imho
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
no Chet Baker eh :(
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
love that inbetween a small group and big band texture of the nonet or whatever it was on BotC
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I would think it's gonna be either a drummer (philly joe jones? elvin?) or a bass player (def Ron)
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 voteshttp://img.logpi.jp/FBBF89C0-38F4-11DF-8379-B6035CF189A3_o.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/12pnhpbOmlqxhg3VL73TMR
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
<3
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
#19th
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
huh thought Crescent might be the one that superhip jazzbos might place higher than love supreme or something. classic record, i voted for it. also voted for love supreme though.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 voteshttp://jazzbluesclub.com/uploads/posts/thumbs/1210165195_cover.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/77HTYfnaNbWd395myo1oMK
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
listening to crescent for the first time right now, very nice. softer than most of the quartet stuff i've heard.
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
Crescent was my top Coltrane pick.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
John, that is. :)
yeah crescent is perfect, super moody, even for coltrane. lonnie's lament is my fave i think.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
Was expecting to see Tauhid place higher than that. Some great Sonny Sharrock stuff on that one.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
I'm learning a lot in this thread. For instance, had no idea that Clifford Jarvis worked outside of Sun Ra's groups.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
talking of which...
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Q7W96GJVL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
you only need to utter his name once and he turns up on an ILM poll..
#9 of the poll for mr ra
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
has sun ra been sampled a lot/anywhere?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/Shz3qmk4oPI/AAAAAAAACr8/8IIWPlUx3UU/s400/John+Coltrane+-+Stellar+Regions.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5HbLIgbhn9mLW8bZ6zKfgM
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
11th for Mr Coltrane
MF Doom, Wooden Shjips... I'm sure there's others
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
i bet every other record in this poll has been sampled to shit
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
Doubt anyone has ever sampled Noah Howard's The Black Ark, though that would be fucking awesome. I'm glad other people voted for it.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
Crescent rating lower than Stellar Regions is kinda crazy. Only 8 votes? I wouldn't rate it his best, but definitely in his top 4-5.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9LDgV0lN__U/TMmS1RpUO3I/AAAAAAAAAiI/GTu5CFAlsJY/s1600/Monk+dreams.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5VTlqV8lZH3YspQ1cDcjrL
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
Love this album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
Me too.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
that's how tough culling my ballot was when that monk album didn't make my 100
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesdayreally? i always thought crescent was very nice but not exceptional, and they're not really comparable, but for my money i LOVE stellar regions....i didn't vote but i'da voted for just about any Monk, Rollins or ornette, and zero ra (who i useda listen to pretty extensively). who cares
― quaff the spud you warbling milkbag (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
I thought i voted for 3 or 4 ra but i musta cut 3 as i only had 1 on my ballot in the end
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 voteshttp://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/miles-davis/album-miles-smiles.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0tbR9i5NTey4b0QZxZ3xa2
(rofl at the wrong album artwork on spotify)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
would love to see "thelonious himself" place. not looking likely now after two of his more celebrated records have already made it.
― charlie h, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
An album with two #1's up next
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1'shttp://3brainkarnakinterloper.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/alice-coltrane.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3D20vh7NKhKnEoKz6FuwAW
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
no doubt two people will moan it's too low..
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
tbh that is shockingly low
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I like that one, but Journey in Satchidananda is superior imho. UC has some more dissonant/out there moments, I guess.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
wish you (and others) had all voted, although you would all vote for different things and cancel each other out and placings would remain the same.
or sun ra would fill up the top 10 completely
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
not just two people
i bet every other record in this poll has been sampled to shit― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:51 (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:51 (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is weird because sampling as a general opportunity only really existed within about a 10 year gap between ppl learning to do it and ppl getting sued for doing it. so they got through all the great funk records and were starting to move onto jazz/soul/anything before you had to start paying up. so it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of these records haven't been sampled at all even if they could all be flipped into something else worth hearing in a different context.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I am one of those two people Kerr refers to. Universal Consciousness is fucking transcendent on so many levels. Hearing Rashied Ali battling it out with Alice on the organ makes you think "Things can't get better than this" but then THE STRINGS KICK IN and everything is right with the world.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
a hoy hoy OTM re: sampling
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
i remember hearing a bunch of rap songs with jazz samples years ago. if someone ever says 'funky funky' during a herbie hancock track again im gonna hit them with a cricket bat
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
but then THE STRINGS KICK IN and everything is right with the world.
string sections in jazz? smh at this fool
― Red Hot Chili Peppers ‘I’m With You’ is a buffet of preposterous noise (crüt), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
unless that string section is john mclaughlin
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
Beautiful, piercing string sections that sound like SWORDS.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
there are plenty of songs with jazz samples (even as early as the late 80s) but the genre didn't get mined nearly as deeply as 70s funk+rock tracks did due to the legalities involved. Blue Note was all over that shit - so much so that they had their own "ALL SAMPLES LICENSED EXCLUSIVELY FROM BLUE NOTE VAULTS" project (ie this pinnacle of "jazz rap" lol)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ira3LoZiTWc
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
jazz is full of string sections fyi
is that one where some twat says 'funky funky'?xp
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
I believe it is!
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
*shudders*
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), den 31 augusti 2011 19:59 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol a perfect description. not enough string sections arranged by ornette coleman in jazz
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
there was also stuff like this
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
The strings in "Oh Allah" = one of the most beautiful things ever. Alice's string arrangements were so unique and never just... frosting.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
and Guru's jazzmatazz etc. the approach was fairly high profile for a couple years but it dead-ended quickly and by the mid-90s sampling was already getting strangled via legalities so sampling jazz records kind of dried up as a wholesale approach. I'm sure producers still mine certain records for particular sounds (snare hits, etc) but no one's looping Hank Mobley records afaict
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
sonderangerbot, actually - the strings on UC weren't arranged by Ornette. Ornette only transcribed the strings of the title track, but Alice arranged it all.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
strings in jazz can be great, even if they're not batshit crazy like in alice coltrane's stuff or ornette's. the charlie parker with strings album is pretty lovely, even though some jazz cats loathe it i think. same goes for the clifford brown strings album.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/c/coltra_john_coltrane~_101b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0TpLOjblGPWIGjZbjCKRNW
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
xp ah you're right, always thought he wrote them as well
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
STILL going to go on complaining that as laptops make it super easy and sticking it on the internet make sample laws pointless, it sucks that no-one has gone back to that style.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:05 PM (24 seconds ago)
Or like some of Rahsaan Roland Kirk's strings! Especially on Prepare Thyself to Deal With a Miracle.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
^^^Coltrane is off the hook fantastic. ha, so many great coltrane albums. the opener, out of this world, is maybe my favorite extended coltrane performance, just incredible forward motion rush.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
I know jazz is full of string sections & I like plenty of them but I generally like my jazz less arranged
― Red Hot Chili Peppers ‘I’m With You’ is a buffet of preposterous noise (crüt), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
Have you heard Universal Consciousness, crut? Seems to me like something you'd dig.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
tyler otm
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
this thread has made my knowledge of jazz seem so naive
thinking of just deleting everything on my ipod and just having this list instead
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't actually - I probably would!
― Red Hot Chili Peppers ‘I’m With You’ is a buffet of preposterous noise (crüt), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the strings on UC aren't of the "let's make this music more palatable for the mainstream" variety -- not by a longshot.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/d/davis_miles_cookinwit_101b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7jJehBSw44CijLhPaPKmTE
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
Stan Getz' Focus is my fav jazz w/strings album
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
what Miles album WON'T make it? Waterbabies?
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
I guess having 100 slots on the ballot made it easier for people to vote for e.g. 20 Miles albums, though I can't actually remember how many people did this.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
what Miles album WON'T make it? Waterbabies?― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:22 PM (7 minutes ago)
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:22 PM (7 minutes ago)
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
this thread has made my knowledge of jazz seem so naivethinking of just deleting everything on my ipod and just having this list instead― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:11 PM (19 minutes ago)
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:11 PM (19 minutes ago)
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
ive never posted on that thread. as a non-muso i dont feel qualified!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 voteshttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2758/4483658568_60e1225e1c_o.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
never heard of that one. what's the deal
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
My new prediction for number one is Tutu.
Ssh!
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
An accessible way in for people who don't like their jazz too outside but want to be able to say they like some Anthony Braxton, is part of it. Thing is, the heads are great and the playing's great, too.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
I take that back -- I'm relistening now and Braxton and Rivers are not taking any prisoners.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
also lol i guess i did buy esp! haven't listened yet to see if that crazy scratch has destroyed it or i got bargain miles awesomeness
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/411b2jHI3hL.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6TylsbZ11vSNjYC4gh0KuY
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
really good record,another one I had to cull from my list
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
ok that looks like a record i need in my life
if i wasnt about to get picked up to see planet of the apes, i'd totally be pumping my speakers up
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
im gonna be honest here, i think this is my fave alltime poll list on ilx ever,and i'm not saying it because sean & I are running it.It's because of you guys voting for some awesome albums. Might not always agree with the placings, but the actual records are mostly greatness , and I'm sure the ones i dont know will be good too.
And a LOT of awesome albums to come, but take it from me if you have just joined, there are lots of genuine must haves in the 250 (and even outside it as there's a good few albums I thought would be top 100)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
lol this may be my favourite ilx poll i've never personally done (but then i did tv + hiphop and they are my favourite things so). that and the one where the space jam ost came #2
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
how many ballots did the alltime hiphop poll get?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
Conference of the Birds is awesome. Title track is unfuckwithable.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
about 60 singles, 40 albums iirc?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
39 here, so that's pretty good considering jazz is very niche on ilm and the biggest posters are goons.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
noone can beat pavement or led zep though. Maybe timbaland will?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/b/braxto_anth_foralto~~_101b.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
I need to hear Conference of the Birds. Sounds like something I'd like.
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
braxton is one of those dudes i should be getting into, but he seems like a *committment*some day.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
I would love it if the Timbaland turnout beats Led Zeppelin. One of the reasons I grabbed them was because I knew I wouldn't have to beat the bushes for participants.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
My favorite Braxton (out of his approximately 750,000 releases). tylerw, I started with this, and heard no other Braxton for years. No need to commit.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
oh shit, i forgot to vote for conference of the birds. might even have nommed it too.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
Getting into Braxton is hard work, but rewarding.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
i only have a few braxton but they are great
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
I must admit i'm surprised that we got over 15 votes as there didn't seem to be a lot of posts on the voting thread but in the end it turned out ok (had to badger shakey and wm a bit,but only cuz they forget)but it all turned out ok. The number of full ballots of 100 was exceptional. How many of those did we get seandalai?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
I'll get that number later when I'm at home.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
I know who Braxton is, but yeah I've never dug in. guess I should. took me awhile to get around to Ornette too.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yUDvjFOjZMs/Tbwl_oJmiiI/AAAAAAAAA3Q/9MPs63ovmUQ/s1600/black_woman.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3xWs9FMTAGdQtgwZTnTf98
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ Love this album, especially the title track and "Portrait of Linda in Three Colors, All Black".
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, it's great -- love "blind willie" too. barely think of this as a "jazz" album tbh.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
portrait of linda is my favorite song of all time
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/most-read-threads.jsp
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
For me it sits squarely in the Ayleresque line of ecstatic jazz.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't forget shit, I generally schedule my errands around something other than your barked commands, doggie.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
I think all the Braxton I have is solo, so I am interested in hearing what he does in a group.
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
crazy pictorial scores iirc
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
Ok maybe not that crazy, but still...
http://web.me.com/antonannex/page6/files/score-brxt.jpg
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
haha okay wtf is that
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
i thought you were a muso shakey?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, braxton scores i've seen are wild. braxton interviews are wild, too. one thing i liked of braxton's was a more recent thing of standards? fairly straightforward/paul desmond-y with blasts of free type moments. i don't know, i assume i'll get into him sooner or later, but just haven't yet.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
This one is cool:
http://www.criticalimprov.com/article/viewFile/462/992/3121
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, Braxton on standards and other folks' compositions is sublime. Check out 8 (+3) Tristano Compositions, beautiful.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 voteshttp://www.twitteringmachines.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/wayahead.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/32zeUU48gmDcaKb3nrju2i
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
I know a little (very tiny) bit, but I have no idea how one is supposed to interpret those scores. I mean they LOOK cool, I just don't know what half the symbols/notations are supposed to represent
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
That score kind of reminds me of this: http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/08/24/nsfw_notation.gif
― emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
^ talking of musos ;)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
On a (slightly) more serious note, I do love those scores. See also Cardew's 'Treatise' (not jazz).
― emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
Shakey, I bet geir could understand them.
I hate how it says it's in Db but it has a key signature of F.
― Red Hot Chili Peppers ‘I’m With You’ is a buffet of preposterous noise (crüt), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
But then I'm a rotter who identifies with teh formalists, so I would love 'em.
xposts to myself
― emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
having never played an instrument or anything those scores look like funny squiggles to me
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
treatise is a different beast tho. braxton is still at least somewhat grounded in traditional notation
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
emil.y loves nepotismxps
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
The title of Composition No. 65: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/ABComp65.gif
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
you drew that yourself and are showing off
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
not heard anything 'new to me' yet referenced in this thread as i'm currently offline, and at work i no longer have access to spotify.however, this thread will be a perfect reference point when i get back to my normal life, and have access to a local fopp !oh, and given the love throughout, it looks like pharoah sanders is going to be one such discovery.
― mark e, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe you all will enjoy this if you haven't already seen it?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtSYQAtK6RY
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
oh, and given the love throughout, it looks like pharoah sanders is going to be one such discovery.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
guess who is up next btw
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 voteshttp://joshthought.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/pharoah_sanders_thembi.jpg?w=400&h=400http://open.spotify.com/album/5bNLEyWCkiYC5ZoMxSWMWB
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
oh look who is up next
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
thembi!
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/ST49kET7PRI/AAAAAAAACUQ/nGU5mmJTQtU/s400/Pharoah+Sanders+1971+Black+Unity.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0KoD7a0hPzomZjLgVmEYuN
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
THEMBI. Anyone know where that cover photo was taken? for some reason i feel like i've been there, but it is probably somewhere in China.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
this shit is kinda ridic
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
spiritual hippie record collector jazz
i listen to PS every thanksgiving ALL DAY LONG and it is my favorite holiday tradition
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
deej Pharoah Sanders is awesome!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
He really is
― Number None, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
not exactly sure what d-40 is on about -- just cuz it might be "record collector jazz" doesn't mean it's not good! sort of agree about the sun ra presence in this poll, but he's still got at least four or five masterpieces.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
I only have Karma and Thembi but both are awesome, don't see how anyone could seriously knock dude's technique
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
never has a post been so superfluousof course he's awesome
if that makes me a spiritual hippie record collector then where's my hat and my flute
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
eh it just seems like theres a lot of focus on outsider record collector ish at the expense of, for lack of a better word, regular jazz
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
this is not a judgment of pharoah sanders as an artist
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
also remember a fair bit of the sun ra was low down in the 250
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
who carescan't we just celebrate how great he is? it's OVERWHELMINGLY TRUE that he is greati can feel it in my spiritual hat
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone know where that cover photo was taken? for some reason i feel like i've been there, but it is probably somewhere in China.
Those rocks look like New Jersey shore to me, but I don't know.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Kind wishing I had voted now, to piss deej off more.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5uhOn1UDIXg/TdViVRyVXCI/AAAAAAAACUI/8UXgsTz6ihs/s1600/oliver.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5eYXXVTYehJrV1caDN4pmd
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
xxp the new jersey shore, home of the most spiritual jazz
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
don't know this one but I certainly will be checking it out
title track alone is really the standout -- amazing dolphy flute solo. rest of it is pleasant enough, but the title track is one of the greats.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:10 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
idg whats so bad about pointing out that a sci-fi cover & cult cachet are more likely to give an album a spot on this list frankly
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
'blues & the abstract truth,' tho -- that ones a gem
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
dude has blue skin in that cover shot, though -- alien?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
that would explain why its finished so high
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
Calling this "record collector jazz" is pretty weird, but ILM certainly seems to favour a certain era and certain more avant-garde style(s) of jazz; this includes me too, btw. On the other hand, this being an albums poll (with no compilations allowed) certainly is gonna favour the era between when jazz became truly album-oriented (exemplified by Pharoah's extended songs, which only work in an album context) and when jazz's final age of innovation was over (roughly in the mid-seventies), and it became a genre mostly known for rehashing its past. So people are probably most likely to vote for records that most feel like albums in an albums poll, and trad jazz will suffer because of that. I hope there'll be a jazz singles/songs poll after this one, surely more traditional/regular forms of jazz would fare better in that one?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
xxp but for real, that record is just a classic -- look who's playing on it! even if they were just phoning it in, it'd still be brilliant.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
ez snappin volunteered in the nominations thread to do a pre-1945 tracks poll but who knows if he will be up for it still (previous experience tells me they deny volunteering or wriggle out of it). If not and no-one else wants to, if seandalai agrees to help then I guess i could run it. but i have pretty much zero knowledge of pre-1945 jazz so if that disqualifies me then fair enough
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
maybe he didn't volunteer, it was his suggestion. you up for it ez snappin? Show us all how to run a poll?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 voteshttp://losslessjazz.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Lonnie-Liston-Smith-The-Cosmic-Echoes-Astral-Traveling-1973-FLAC.jpeghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4H9dvIFBlaTY8LbBmSTFjX
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
Oliver Nelson, same guy who wrote the theme to The Six Million Dollar Man.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
Oliver Nelson was one of my top picks. I'm off to catch a plane, have fun!
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
yay for lonnie liston smith making it
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Okay, that's one I am completely clueless about. The name sounds kind of familiar, but just pseudo-familiar since I have zero associations with it.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
haw, more spiritual hats. that one is good, pretty groovy vibe, spacey keys.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
id be surprised if he doesnt make it again
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
I know Lonnie Smith from various soul/jazz sorta things, but this is a different dude iirc
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
yeah he played on thembi and karma
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
on the corner too
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
"Expansions" will make it i'd imagine
― Number None, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
yeah thats what i was thinking. although once again i think of that as more a disco / pop album than a jazz one
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, One #1http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kurtmkGQja1qaq8flo1_500.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2wXfYEZKGQlfy2hKZbwtU7
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
hoped that would be much higher
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
really guys, check it out
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, One #1 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/SdBzSe3CMPI/AAAAAAAACkg/HNOUFFyAqVs/s400/John+Coltrane+-+Meditations.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3suMuCIVtRVI6quioihY23
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
Seconding the 'The Blues and the Abstract Truth' love. Amazing title track. Really hoping Search for the New Land (Lee Morgan) makes this list.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
never paid much attention to Mobley, listening to this now... pretty nice
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
Oliver Nelson, same guy who wrote the theme to The Six Million Dollar Man. --Geirge Hongriot (NickB)
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
Is Sonny Sharrock the only post-1980 album on the list so far? (Not that I expect there'll be many to come. A post-'80 poll would be interesting, but I guess would get a lot fewer votes.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
Or guess I should say albums, forgot that was the second Sharrock on here.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
Meditations was my #1. That record had a profound effect on me when I was in my teens, listening to that was such a great physical and emotional experience.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
Think he got burned out working in Tinseltown, at least that's the story I heard
Yeah, he died shortly afterwards of a heart attack at the age of 43.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
im not sure, but pretty funny if it is considering everyone said to do an all-time instead of 1950-75 poll as i had intended
xps
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
and now for the 3rd album in a row with a #1
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ON.E # 1 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JI310rDTx90/S8S1-GMH-OI/AAAAAAAAAuA/lLht3FmSwe8/s320/booklet-outside-foldedkicsi.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/69OZHsomLpQigZdQuTWHqx
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
That's... not one of my Cecil Taylor favorites.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
the cool thing about jazz is how it all connects on some (higher) plane, don't forget sun ra played w/fletcher henderson's big band
i envy anybody who hasn't heard blues & the abstract truth - you're in for a treat
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
haha yes
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of oliver nelson arrangements i wonder if sonny rollins' alfie will place?
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone noticed that there's only been 1 Sun Ra album today?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
but guess what?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
he's not up next
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HmvaR5cGW80/TIqDVgCNUEI/AAAAAAAAAXM/om0QJ92U2Co/s1600/change.jpeghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0ME2xPIm65f5cJve3ALqdi
i definitely voted for this one
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
oh it seems i didn't.. dont know why
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
going over this thread and listening to nothing but jazz in the last couple days - I've realized I have very little understanding/conception of the jazz audience of the 60s. I kind of assume jazz reached its commercial/popular peak much earlier (I know Miles' best-selling albums were in the 60s, but the ubiquity of jazz as a dominant style seems undeniable for earlier eras like the 20s-40s than it does for the 60s, what with r'n'r in the picture), but as a genre the general consensus represented here is that the aesthetic/artistic peak was in the late 50s through the 60s. This is when a lot of the essential ingredients of jazz - swing, improvisation, acoustic ensemble playing - became really intensely refined. But exactly how popular was, say, a giant like John Coltrane...? I have no idea. And who bought these records? Middle-class black people, white "intellectuals"...? I can't really see Hank Mobley and Grant Green appealling much to teenagers, the whole Blue Note vibe is one of adult sophistication, for example.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
i voted for 4 of his so i guess it got culled from 5
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
I wish we could all have just voted for the "Beauty is a Rare Thing" compilation. I didn't feel comfortable voting for any Ornette album on its own, haha. I feel that way about Cecil Taylor, too... nothing feels fully representative.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
like I would guess the genre skewed older and richer...? Black kids were being sold r&b, motown, etc. and white kids were being peddled a combination of pop and rock, I kinda can't imagine jazz was even on the menu for most younger music consumers...
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
(Though I did vote for Ornette & Cecil albums)
but then jazz was sold to rock fans after that shakey
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
xp yeah i sort of wonder about jazz audiences, too -- obviously people like miles and coltrane were big cultural figures, but a lot of the time they'd be playing these tiny clubs! there must've been a disconnect between people who bought records and people who went out to gigs for whatever reason.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
I wish we could all have just voted for the "Beauty is a Rare Thing" compilation.agree, all of those early ornette albums are great, but they sort of seem like one big album to me
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
Exactly.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think Coltrane was ever that popular among the general populace... A Love Supreme was considered a hit album by 60s jazz standards, but it didn't sell quite as much as the big rock and pop albums of the era. I think even back then Coltrane was mainly listened by "serious", highbrow jazz fans; the big, popular jazz hits of the 60s were more melody and/or groove oriented, like "Watermelon Man", or "The 'In' Crowd", or "Mercy Mercy Mercy".
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
obviously people like miles and coltrane were big cultural figures, but a lot of the time they'd be playing these tiny clubs
exactly I find this perplexing, this ability to occupy a "serious" and well-preserved cultural space while... not really selling all that many records or being all that popular...? how does that work? seems like anything comparable would be totally impossible today. but maybe I'm underestimating how much Miles and Coltrane sold. certainly I can see how they would have something of an appeal to a casual, adult, well-educated middle class music listener, but uh how many of those were there in America really...
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
after what...? Bitches Brew?
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
coltrane "crossed over" with my favorite things, but i think he just used that as leverage for the rest of his career to do what he wanted, as opposed to repeating the formula ad nauseam. though i suppose there are a few attempts at another "favorite things" in his catalog -- greensleeves, chim chim cheree, etc.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
How it was explained to me in a 20th century music class: bebop's complexity and undanceability, while they were musical advances, were bad news for the form economically from the late 40s on. As jazz switched from a dance music to a chamber music, R&B and rock and roll claimed their audiences.
loads of xposts
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
not really selling all that many records or being all that popular...? how does that work?
I think the key is that Coltrane and Miles appealed to the type of serious listeners who are also music writers, or musicians themselves, and they kept their names alive even if they weren't selling big amounts of records.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
how does that work?the house that trane built book from a few years back about impulse records goes into some of this -- basically there was a fairly sizeable core audience of die hards, but in general, the label coasted by because it was part of ABC Paramount. Impulse had a few hits (ray charles comes to mind) that made the label able to get by for a while, i think.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Were these artists profiled in, say, LIFE magazine, the way contemporary visual artists were (esp. thinking of the abstract expressionists)? They may have been chosen representatives of serious art by mass media publications.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
As jazz switched from a dance music to a chamber music, R&B and rock and roll claimed their audiences.
this makes sense. what seems really odd to me is that the artform would fluorish and reach its peak several decades AFTER its commercial peak.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
obviously people like miles and coltrane were big cultural figures, but a lot of the time they'd be playing these tiny clubs! there must've been a disconnect between people who bought records and people who went out to gigs for whatever reason.
seems like back around the middle of the 20th century artists (visual and musical...authors too) could get to be "big cultural figures" and not be all that popular. a houswife or salesman in Lawrence, Kansas would know OF someone like Coltrane, Miles Davis, Keurorac, Ginsberg, Warhol etc, but not be too familiar with their work. they'd know they were important figures in their discipline, but not why.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
lee morgan's "sidewinder" crossed over and sorta kick started the "soul jazz" thing in the early/mid 60s. my understanding is coltrane lost a lot of fans after 'a love supreme'
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
like once it had weaseled its way into being considered "serious"/highbrow it was able to economically coast and reap the benefits of that security without having to sell records.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
They may have been chosen representatives of serious art by mass media publications.
That's my sense of it (mainly from talking to older family members)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
I guess the economic bar was reset a good bit lower and artists could experiment. xp to shakey
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
the soul/jazz movement is an obvious pop re-crossover attempt - a move back to jazz as dance music, but this time replacing swing with contemporary (at the time) funk and r&b rhythms. (I'm not knocking this stuff, I like a lot of it).
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
ON.E # 1
Very droll.
I do not understand this. To my ears, it is majestic.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
obviously people like miles and coltrane were big cultural figures, but a lot of the time they'd be playing these tiny clubs!
My mom grew up outside Chicago, and her older, hipper sister has great stories about sneaking out of the house when she was in high school (would've been I guess around 1960) to go with a friend to jazz clubs in the city. They saw Coletrane a bunch of times, playing in packed little places. Once they took him some chocolate chip cookies, because they read he liked them. He came out between sets to thank them.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
Coltrane, that is.
wow, that's great. obviously a lot of these guys could tour around europe and play big halls, too.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
emil.y that was actually a typo
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
Once they took him some chocolate chip cookies, because they read he liked them. He came out between sets to thank them.
awwww
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
An interesting example of how much critical consensus has shaped our understanding of that era of jazz is that Charles Lloyd was actually one of the most popular, if not the most popular jazz artist of the 60s, yet he has been almost completely excluded from the 60s jazz canon, because his artistic merits weren't considered big enough, and the critics felt he was pandering to the hippie audience.
More discussion on the subject in this thread:
Artists/bands that were once quite popular, yet nowadays are mostly ignored in canonical history books
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
xp - Didn't a bunch of musicians end up spending long periods in Europe because it was they only place they could make any sort of reliable income?
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
they still do!
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah. Here's a Miles write-up from Time, in 1958.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 voteshttp://www.covershut.com/covers/Charlie-Haden-Liberation-Music-Orchestra-1969-Front-Cover-29509.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1LjPCzf3XWmJswuKdoVn3L
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
i voted for this one
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
During the 1970s Lloyd played extensively with The Beach Boys both on their studio recordings and as a member of their touring band. In the late 1970s Lloyd was a member of Celebration, a band composed of members of the Beach Boys' touring band as well as fellow Transcendental Meditation followers Mike Love and Al Jardine. Celebration released two albums.
WHAT THE FUCK
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
European support of chamber music extending to American forms, Americans being too invested in moving they asssss shocka.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
it all comes back to mike love
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Kind of weird seeing that Charlie Haden album up here - it's fun and all but I didn't really consider voting for it.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Ha! Very fitting, then. (For those not keeping up, Conquistador! was my number one vote.)
― emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
my understanding is coltrane lost a lot of fans after 'a love supreme'
Really? IIRC, even in the 60s it was his biggest-selling album. So if he lost a lot of fans because of it, he gained even more new ones.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
i meant the albums AFTER als
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
― emil.y, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:50 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
Ditto. I'd be hard-pressed to name a single favorite Cecil record, but if the house is on fire, this is the one I'm gonna grab. If I grab two, the other one would be his European Orchestra 2CD Alms/Tiergarten (Spree).
And I really hope this isn't Bill Dixon's only appearance in the poll.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
And i'll bet you didn't think this was going to place..
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 voteshttp://29.media.tumblr.com/LT0k0L1O9pwrgwj45RnZsWoso1_500.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5I3aoewqDpP4TglIl9O7su
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
like the duke wasnt gonna come in high..
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
i'm gonna be a jerk and say money jungle is not a peak effort for any of the three participants (ducks)
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
i think it's a super classic record, mingus seems determined to make everyone uncomfortable. love hearing duke in a relatively unadorned session. always wondered why the recording quality itself seems a little subpar though.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's good and well worth hearing but not quite the super session it appears to be
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
ready for the last one tonight?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 voteshttp://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51MDB0AGGHL._SS500_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/50FF5iPeaKU1iy3O5I6Hg9
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
good to see him represented, not forgotten
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
i have 1 & 2 on (reissued) vinyl. bought in late 90s, might be the first i heard actually. Wouldn't say they were my fave tbh. I like them though. not top 100 tho to my ears.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
Mark, I guess you never saw this thread
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
but it seems everyone on ilm has different favourites.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
Um, this thread: Money Jungle C/D?
Was hoping we'd see a few more records by non-Americans, thank god we've at least got representation from the planet Saturn.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
ive lost count but he hasn't got more than miles or coltrane so far (i dont think)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
and he has less in the top 100 so far i think?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
Exactly as it should be imo.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
What year is winning so far?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
fuck knows
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
MONEY JUNGLE NOT BEING TOP TEN MEANS Y'ALL SUCK
THIS BETTER NOT BE WON BY SOME FUSION BS
Srs though does Machine Gun or anything that wild have a chance? Is this *favourite* records or have *i will vote for that cos its crazy* choices been kicking around?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
what is wrong with fusion?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
it sucks dick most of the time, is what.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
hi this is herbie hancock/miles davis and i have given up making good records because look! electronic instruments!
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
^^^gauntlet thrown
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
Miles electric period >>>>>>> Miles acoustic period btw
OTM, fusion Miles is my favorite.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
apples vs oranges
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
Recap 250-61
TIE149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votesTIE145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votesTIE115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes
100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes 95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes 91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #181 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #166 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1 65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1 64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
Artist count so far -Charles Mingus - 5Grant Green - 5Archie Shepp - 6Thelonious Monk - 6Herbie Hancock - 6Pharoah Sanders - 7Sun Ra - 10John Coltrane - 15 (plus on other albums)Miles Davis - 21
fusion is one of those oranges where the only way you can get the peel off is to make a huge mess and get your fingers sticky as all the juice runs out and it tastes like balls and has ten thousand pips when actually starting eating it
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
you got vodka in those oranges? :o)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
In response to an earlier question, it looks like 8 voters maxed out their ballot and voted for 100 albums; there are a couple more people (maybe 4?) who had a list of 100 albums but included duplicates.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
there's always a few ilxors that do that.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
some great stuff up tomorrow btw
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
here is the 250-61 UPDATED SPOTIFY PLAYLIST of what is available.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
Poll is proving a great education. Favourite discovery so far is Grant Green's Idle Moments
― Number None, Thursday, 1 September 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
Hell, favorite discovery for me is Grant Green, period. Only previously heard him on Jimmy Smith and Larry Young records.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
do not understand this. To my ears, it is majestic.
― emil.y, miércoles 31 de agosto de 2011 21:50 (Yesterday) Bookmark
I don't hate it! It's great. I just lean towards later Cecil Taylor more. Silent Tongues, One Too Many Salty Swift and Not Goodbye, Winged Serpent (Sliding Quadrants).
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
Kind of blue or a love supreme to win then? possibly karma or black saint and sinner lady? Highest fusion lp will be headhunters? All those top 10 anyway. Im betting birds of fire and hot rats to be top 20!! And more sun ra of course.
― BlindWillyPuller, Thursday, 1 September 2011 03:42 (twelve years ago) link
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
totally disagree w/ this
love supreme is like bottom hundred in quality imo, not even top 5 coltrane
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 06:15 (twelve years ago) link
ppl voting for vocal mantras smh
I've nothing against Miles, but this is kinda ridiculous; it seems pretty much every one of his 50s, 60s, and 70s albums will place in the poll. Can't imagine any other major genre where one artist would eclipse all the others so strongly... Whenever I go to the jazz shelf in a general record store (i.e. one that doesn't specialize in jazz), it looks like half the records on the shelf are various Miles reissues and compilations.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 1 September 2011 06:29 (twelve years ago) link
Oh come on, the vocal mantra lasts for maybe a minute, and it's hardly the thing that makes the album great. Sure, A Love Supreme has unnecessarily eclipsed all the other great Coltrane albums, but that happens to a lot of artists (it's the same with Kind of Blue for Miles, Ah Um for Mingus, Time Out for Dave Brubeck, etc). On the other hand, with artists like Coltrane who have such a large and sprawling discography, it might be good a thing there is a canonical album for newbies to start with, especially since it's a great album that exemplifies well what was great about Coltrane. With artists like Sun Ra who've released dozens of albums but none of them is the canonical one, the newbie might be kinda lost at where to start. (This is certainly one reasons I've never really delved into his music.)
― Tuomas, Thursday, 1 September 2011 06:43 (twelve years ago) link
"one of the reasons"
― Tuomas, Thursday, 1 September 2011 06:44 (twelve years ago) link
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 voteshttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000589UT.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3G4RWt6cqZDeNumYAZOL8C
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
this thread has had an inverse effect on my bank account. got the blue note covers book, maiden voyage and money jungle and get paid tomorrow so may have to look for some more.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
I'm going to have to buy that blue note covers book aren't i?Sam do you use spotify?
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
yuh but i only have an ipod, no iphone, so i have to have seperate mp3s to listen to at work
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
oh well, jazz on spotify makes an excellent soundtrack for footy manager when you're at home at least.
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
fo sho but atm the timbo playlist is driving my 'pick a team' page craziness ott. thinking orient. or maybe fiorentina.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
Any idea when FM2012 is out?
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/e/elling_duke_fareastsu_102b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1JQ7TkPUI1x04CCZLpYMzU
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
lets all thank matt p for his constructive criticism of this poll
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
One of Ellington's best, surely on the same level as his 40s recordings.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 voteshttp://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/b/byrd_donald_offtother_102b.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/37LKWNJ1xP9OlbKwjDYkZi
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
xp yeah, that's the one that got me out of the 30s-40s for ellington and into his later work.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
not sure if i've heard that byrd album tho. is there something about it that distinguishes it from his other early blue notes?
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
jackie mclean is on it!
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
Though obviously he's on a few
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
ha yeah -- i think the early donald byrd blue notes i've heard haven't knocked me out. solid, obviously, but maybe not as strong as, say, lee morgan's stuff from the same period.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
but maybe not as strong as, say, lee morgan's stuff from the same period.
yes, but what was??
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
lee morgan ruled blue note in the early 60s
Certainly came up with a big hit for them.
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2BJFDMx8gL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/03zH4bkGb2jSZAQIVW2px1
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
never heard of that; any good?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
Yes. "The Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife Are Some Jive Ass Slippers" is there!
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
One of Mingus' best, definitely. Fucking cinematic.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
shit rocks
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
apparently it was his favourite album he made
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
mingus's last great record, probably -- there are some good tunes on the albums that follow, but none of those 70s records are masterpieces. this one seems like a fully formed statement, everything perfectly put together.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 voteshttp://pixhost.me/avaxhome/b8/80/000c80b8_medium.jpeghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5PzlTnVafjgt5RtjTdIKoC
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
weird I've never even heard of any of the last four
okay I know that Art Blakey one
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
you have some catching up to do then
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
"Fleurette Africaine" off of Money Jungle has to be one of the most beautiful recordings ever made.
― dsb, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
oh absolutely, listened to it again yesterday and it really stands out.
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
I am listening to "Let My Children Hear Music" now it is really fantastic, I don't know why i never really got into it before. I guess when i started really investigating Mingus a couple of years ago it was more orchestral than what i was looking for with him. I was very wrong..
― dsb, Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 voteshttp://www.jazz59.com/joefarrell/images/juju.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/46VoobaZCtFPReElOHFEqq
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Funny the gaps in what people know. I suspect you're more familiar with jazz than I am, so this surprises me, but I know I've surprised people with some of the things I don't know.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
eh there's a ton of jazz stuff I've never heard. prior to the internet collecting this shit was a ton of work/$$$
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 voteshttp://minoltamania.com/Herbie%20Hancock_Maiden%20Voyage.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7huPJTTsWVt854oZkr88mf
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
shakey I'm sure you know this album
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I know that one. never owned a copy tho
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
lovely record. george coleman doesn't get enough credit, he's great on everything i've heard. though on that elvis costello TV show, herbie praised him, and you could hear like one guy in the audience burst into applause.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51k0WjwbwIL._SS400_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1BHwJqnHhuIryphXMZ0PMQ
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
why did Monk get such awful covers...? seems so unfair
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
there's that one, and the one with the kiddie wagon. just.... why
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yrIbhNHgFFs/TcwBt22sHdI/AAAAAAAAAOU/xcshO2zJV-c/s1600/COVER.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/27Rl7A8jXEQOkIfUKOa6ZU
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
Hope Night Dreamer makes it. Never was much of a Hubbard fan, definitely prefer Lee Morgan.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 voteshttp://www.soulstrut.com/images/uploads/reviews/B000005MLY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6gTHTc1DucAt6we7SLRDog
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
― Tuomas, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:43 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fwiw this is bullshit -- kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
also i love that lonnie liston smith album but its yet another example of a pop record beating jazz ones
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
POPISM RULES
like, that record beating 'moanin' is nonsense
great album though!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
it wouldn't have if you had voted deej!
that donald byrd 'off to the races' is weirdly high. anyone want to talk about it? i havent heard it but my experience w/ mid-60s byrd is that hes a fairly average trumpet player
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
had no idea the good doctor was so popular tbh
kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record
I don't get this frankly. the received wisdom/critical consensus re: Miles is correct, but the received wisdom/critical consensus re: Trane is wrong...? Seems to me like Love Supreme is ALWAYS cited as his key work, as the best entry point into his catalog. (note: it is not my favorite record of his, that would be Blue Trane)
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record
I get the feeling a lot of people will disagree with you there.. dunno why.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
guys he said it isn't even close to his best, didn't you read
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
maybe in rock critic books but the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums from the era that got considerably more attention from folks outside of the jazz world
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
I'm reserving judgment on these other Byrd albums placing until I see where A New Perspective ranks
btw I had to take a break from all the exclusive-jazz-listening I've been doing over the past few days. moving onto Dio at the moment.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
Dio should have recorded with Miles & McLaughlin
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
but the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums
think Stanley Crouch would beg to differ, among others
(I hate Stanley Crouch btw)
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
A Love Supreme is the only Coltrane album to get a "crown" in the 8th edition of the Penguin guide fwiw. And those dudes are pretty hostile to a lot of the spiritual jazz stuff.
― rob, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
THERE'S NO CASE TO BE MADE
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
ok on with the top 50. I guess I better not ask a mod to change the title...
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hLY9DmXXlH4/TA0n5D6fr4I/AAAAAAAAB38/31j4hsyBwH4/s1600/ole-coltrane.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5BGkenbuo3xY3CRblRPj8K
not a rock critic
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
Olé is fucking beautiful.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
xpwait, sorry, Ascension gets one too, but they really gush over ALS: "it is without precedent or parallel."
― rob, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
rob, and they were right. :)
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
i thought ascension was only liked by free jazz guys and not classic jazz guys?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
Re: A Love Supreme, it's not in my top 5, or even top 10, of Trane records. The actual music isn't dramatically different from Live At Birdland or Crescent, but the concept gives it an air of importance not seen in that way in his work before. For me, it's his Tommy, and like Tommy, it really came together when played live (which supposedly only happened twice, but one of those was recorded and released).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
linking to jazz critics who like a love supreme isnt telling me anything since im not saying its a bad albumtake one logic class
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
Goat otm
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
jazz critics who like a love supreme
if this is what you got from those posts, maybe you should take one reading comprehension course?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:37 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
He shoulda been the vocalist in Tony Williams' Lifetime (imagine "One Word" an octave higher).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
(I think you guys should just ignore him, tbh. Don't feed the special snowflake syndrome.)
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
love supreme is a beautiful record. his best? probably not, but i think the fact that he conceived of it quite consciously as a "major work", a unified whole (not always the case with his records), is why it gets the sometimes overripe praise, at least relative to say Crescent (which i think is just as good).
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
yes, yes, tylerw OTM.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
also this. did the same thing in the hip hop poll - didn't vote and then bitched about the placings
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
and i dunno, i've never been able to get into the live version of ALS -- it's good, but not amazing like the studio version.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
I think the line has become blurred over the years. Partly it's because it's Coltrane, and he'll get a pass from more conservative critics before, say, Cecil Taylor does. And partly because, as with Ornette, some Cecil, Charlie Parker, etc. etc., it doesn't seem as radical now as it did then.
Fuck if I know why Freddie Hubbard's on it, though.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:48 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what are you contributing exactly -- ?
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:49 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of course i can, sorry i didnt see the deadline but better this than 100 posts of someone saying "GREAT ALBUM!!!"
please to show me where this mysterious "jazz canon" you and you alone have access to is interred, and what it has to say about A Love Supreme then
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
oh shakey i think it's cool deej is giving his opinions. I just wish he had voted is all. Deej knows his jazz. And like everyone else he has his faves and opinions, and it brings good chat to the thread.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
Crouch, for example, has long positioned himself as keeper of the jazz canon flame afaict. should we get Marsalis' opinion on the subject too
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
of course a love supreme is considered a great album but if you listen to the record its not even as good as similar records from the same period, and its not like im alone in making this observation. read any fucking jazz criticism
i dont know why im arguing with shakey who admits on this list to not having heard key artists in the genre then claims to speak w/ authority about trane's best records
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
who admits on this list to not having heard key artists in the genre then claims to speak w/ authority about trane's best records
slow your roll there son
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
Fuck if I know why Freddie Hubbard's on it, though.― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)
you dont like freddie??
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
not that anyone needs to know all jazz to speak on it or something but if you're going to nitpick w/ me about this at least have some background in it
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
hey is that a go at me?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
the issue isn't what I consider to be trane's best records, is this weird opinion you have that A Love Supreme is not routinely acknowledged as his signature album, his "masterpiece" etc.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
kind of but not really, youve been encouraging other ppl to talk the entire time xp
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:56 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
my 'weird opinion' is that its not as good as other records hes done although its celebrated that way, of course i realize that like j dilla and burial fans rep for 'a love supreme' 1st, its the outsider's fav record. in some cases this coincides w/ some legendary record making (KoB), other times it feels like a success of marketing (ALS)
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 voteshttp://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Horace-Silver-Song-for-My-Father.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4LEnATSqKeANOJ0mLUAuCE
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
You know what it is, D-40? You're being weirdly nitpicky about something you weren't even a part of (you didn't actually vote). Also, your opinions on many the choices (dismissing "harp" or "outsider" jazz as less worthy than your muddled idea of Real Jazz) are plain irritating & reductionist.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
well deej i'm just not particularly great at articulating my opinions so rather than waffle on with meaningless bullshit I prefer to keep posts short and let those who can do it, leaving me to enjoy reading said posts.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
it's always hilarious when people get preemptively mad about what they predict will win a poll
― lil dawg (some dude), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
my 'weird opinion' is that its not as good as other records hes done although its celebrated that wayi mean, that's fine, your opinion! i pretty much love everything coltrane did 1960-65, so love supreme fits in there -- it's fantastic. but it's just part of an incredible period for that band.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
and yes pretty much all my posts are trying to stimulate other posts by better posters. I've been doing it like this for 10 years now, thought everyone got used to,accepted & ignored it by now :)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
it's more the OTT hyperbole that grates. I mean saying that A Love Supreme has "no case" to be made or is "not even close" to being his best album is ridiculous. tons of people have made the case. I'm not one of them, but that doesn't matter.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
anyway glad we could turn this into YET ANOTHER thread about deej lol
some dude > that's what makes for good reading on a poll results thread though. I love people making predictions on the results
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
no no its deej's opinions we're talking about.
I don't think there's anything wrong with using superlatives to talk about music. Not everyone is a wanna-be music critic who feels the need to write seven page essays on the wonders of their preferred music. Music is a visceral experience.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
This thread is gonna be an often-referenced archive for a long time, be nice! I'm in SF, about to take a run to Amoeba and probably buy way too many jazz albums. Don't know whether to thank this poll or curse it.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
depends on what you buy
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
It doesn't take a background in jazz to see that deej's logic is not just flawed but nonexistent. First you say that the album is considered by proper jazz heads to be a lesser work, and then when people point out contradictory instances you a) say that they're misreading you, and b) refuse to point to anyone who actually says it is a lesser work.
― emil.y, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
Here is the Rate Your Music top jazz albums.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
#8 proves ilm was right after all. Apologies to wm for not including it at first
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
you dont like freddie??― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:54 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:54 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
He never really did it for me, and I could never put my finger on why. Then I heard one of his contemporaries say, "Freddie's playing is like the Rolls-Royce aesthetic, but without the Rolls-Royce." That nailed it for me (although as I read it, I can see how it might be a little obtuse...)
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 voteshttp://milesdavisonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/steamin.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0Q0bftWuBSwZAHBKZr0lxB
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
I hope Alice's harp jazz albums score high - even if harps aren't REAL instruments, because people with vaginas most frequently play them. CLEARLY.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 voteshttp://revivalist.okayplayer.com/core/wp-content/uploads/africa-brass-cover.jpeghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5Eiyfggt1rHUJaKoiD6ZBU
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
I remember tylerw once directed me to an awesome performance of this, feat. Alice. :D
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
all of those "...with the Miles Davis Quintet" albums run together in my head. they're all pretty good, but none of them stand out from the others. looking at that cover, don't even think i've ever heard Steamin'.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
that reminds me i forgot to respond to this -
Artist count so far -Charles Mingus - 5Grant Green - 5Archie Shepp - 6Thelonious Monk - 6Herbie Hancock - 6Pharoah Sanders - 7Sun Ra - 10John Coltrane - 15 (plus on other albums)Miles Davis - 21I've nothing against Miles, but this is kinda ridiculous; it seems pretty much every one of his 50s, 60s, and 70s albums will place in the poll. Can't imagine any other major genre where one artist would eclipse all the others so strongly... Whenever I go to the jazz shelf in a general record store (i.e. one that doesn't specialize in jazz), it looks like half the records on the shelf are various Miles reissues and compilations.― Tuomas, Thursday, 1 September 2011 07:29 (12 hours ago
― Tuomas, Thursday, 1 September 2011 07:29 (12 hours ago
Tuomas , please remember that it's a 250. It is also hardly surprising that 21 miles albums would get in so far (more since the countdown resumed after you posted that. it would be wrong if some of the greatest jazz albums ever didn't place just because one guy is responsible. Miles and Coltrane have huge awesome discographies, in miles case it spanned like 5 decades?, it also means a lot of different people have their own favourites.
And at the end of the day this is a poll of ilxors favourite jazz albums, and if that includes 20 miles or every hancock/mingus/hubbard etc or even zappa's jazz albums then that will be reflected in the poll.
or in short, it's an ILM poll.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
Or in short, it shouldn't be that shocking to enter the classical section of the record store and find that there's MANY RECORDINGS OF MOZART.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
well of course shops will sell what is the biggest sellers. They're not a library.A really good specialist shop should stock back catalog but many don't due to lack of money. A big store only sells the big sellers and it's no wonder people dont go there when they dont cater for them.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
I just think being shocked that people REALLY like 20 Miles Davis records is similar to being shocked that people REALLY like 20 Mozart symphonies.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, that's fine, your opinion! i pretty much love everything coltrane did 1960-65, so love supreme fits in there -- it's fantastic. but it's just part of an incredible period for that band.
― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:01 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fwiw i wasnt arguing with you & basically agree w/ your post more or less, i was responding specifically to shakey
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 voteshttp://991.com/newGallery/Ornette-Coleman-This-Is-Our-Music-447970.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5dx51fo9eKRUo0GyZSKaxy
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
― emil.y, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:06 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im looking for examples but havent seen any, but then, there isn't much jazz crit online (plenty of forum discussions about whether the LP is overrated, though); i dont think it takes much work to see that the kinds of venues praising the record are the kinds that generally treat jazz as a sideshow anyway.
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
Ole! Speak No Evil! Africa Brass! This Is Our Music! What the top 10 should look like! Bet next we'll have Journeys In Saub;uigbfq;eh; and The Shape of Jazz to Come if this is how its going down.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
xp It doesn't take much work, yet you haven't been able to find examples. Interesting.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
A Love Supreme is awes, Kind Of Blue... isn't the best Miles by a long shot imo. Bet In A Silent Way wins this poll anyway.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:53 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
? penguin guide and rolling stone? you provided the examples already, thats what im saying
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:53 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
backwards
this is rock fan rewriting
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
minimalizing of JAZZ VALUES
im sorry if you guys wanted to make this abt me, or accuse me of being a 'wannabe critic' -- im just responding honestly to what I see as the ANTI JAZZ BIAS of the jazz poll
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
deej you think we have an anti-jazz bias? this is coming from what exactly? that canon records may do well?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.downbeat.com/default.asp?sect=cpollindex
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
xp Dude, you don't even qualify as a wanna-be critic. You're just stirring shit with clearly uninformed ~~~~controversial opinions~~~~ because you want to pick a fight instead of actually conversing about something, just like you do in, oh, *every other thread*.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
I wanna know where I stand in yr line of thinking deej. How is my fusion allergy related to an anti-jazz bias?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
i dont get the anti-jazz bias things at all. jazz is obviously a broad church encompassing lots of different styles. most of these styles have been represented. A lot of posters are into the different styles too. i don't see what is wrong with that? (yes i'm one who likes lots of styles)
Also 'classic' jazz from the 50s and 60s has been very well represented in this poll so far.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:57 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
'clearly uninformed'
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
For comparison purposes, I looked for some polls on a jazz message board to see what kind of stuff wins over there, but you can't see the poll results unless you voted in them: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?/topic/20189-favorite-1965-john-coltrane-quartet-album/
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
c&P them please?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
About the putative jazz vs not-jazz distinction: what did key players such as Miles and Coltrane think at the time? Did they see projects like Bitches Brew or Ascension as extending the tradition or breaking from it completely?
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
And now for yet another fusion album that didn't make the top 20..
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yy_Cx-IaoyA/S8TFI4X0wBI/AAAAAAAAAMI/O2r9dQ2iITg/s1600/miles-davis-he-loved-him-madly-1974.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0CFS3jvFwutIt5ewGIa7Sq
Stanley Crouch and Ashley Kahn are not rock critics fwiw. I would even go so far as to call them pre-eminent critics in their chosen fields, but that's just me.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
Shorter answer: You can still read the comments even if you can't see the results.
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
xp D-40, familiarity doesn't mean knowledge. You failed to explain how "harp jazz" (which, lol, is an ignorant reductionist term) & "outsider" jazz didn't constitute Real Jazz Worthy of Acclaim (you called the latter "straight jazz" iirc haha), for one thing. And maybe if you just accepted that your hierarchy is just as arbitrary as anyone else's, no one would mind. But you don't. :(
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
listening to Grant Green's Street of Dreams for the first time and ~~vibing~~ hard
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
Miles' glasses on that cover crack me up
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
Who's the vibes player on that, a hoy hoy, Bobby Hutcherson?
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
those glasses are totally anti jazz
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't say they weren't real jazz worthy of acclaim
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
"He Loved Him Madly" floors me every single time.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
Did they see projects like Bitches Brew or Ascension as extending the tradition or breaking from it completely?
this is an interesting point - it's been a long time since I read any Coltrane bios. Miles didn't give a fuck about genre labels by the time he went electric afaict
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:10 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yup. <3
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
Money Jungle liner notes btw make mention of Mingus's autobiog and i've never thought about reading up on muh jazz heroes and now kinda wanna go book buying crazy. any recommended reads?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
Its real jazz worthy of acclaim that also happens to be a cornerstone of the hipster jazz record collector continuum that imo overvalues a certain kind of jazz record ... Saying kob is overrated but a love supreme is coltranes greatest accomplishment is a symptom of this thinking. obv my framing here can be construed as picking a fight or w/e but I think its a fair sitting of the biases that result in so many sun ra, fusion and spiritual hat records making the list
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
I really like the miles bio "round about midnight" and think its a really slept on read.
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
any recommended reads?
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://cache3.bookdepository.co.uk/assets/images/book/small/9780/3068/9780306808555.jpg
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
If you want to learn about jazz steer clear of the Mingus "autobiography". If, on the other hand, you want to read improbable stories of Mingus having acrobatic sex with every woman he meets, go ahead.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
the hipster jazz record collector
as opposed to the hipster jazz record musician like the guys who made half our fav. records?
i never said KOB was overrated btw. I just said I like other Miles records better.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
Cheers for the recs. Off to amazon I go (to line up things hoping I get the job I interviewed for this morning and the payrise that goes with.)
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
spiritual hat records making the list
i am starting to love this description.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
this book is hilarious fwiw
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
The mingus autobio is ridic and pulpy but imo a highly entertaining read
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
xp Me too - once the rollout is done I'm thinking of polling all the hats.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
Roland Kirk bio "Bright Moments" is really good. Miles' autobio is interesting and (as should be expected) completely self-serving. "Space is the Place" is fantastic.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 voteshttp://zenekucko.ucoz.com/_bl/25/38975176.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6P3jzdPK5VMbzuJ2HcRt9y
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
"Space is the Place" is fantastic.
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
xps Dunno - about halfway through Beneath the Underdog I started getting queasy at the weird fantasy stuff like Mingus getting his two lovers into prostitution and them being all "yeah baby!" about it.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
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My guess or at least hope is that as consumate musicians of the highest order they gave up on trying to figure out whether they fit "jazz" or not and just aimed to make the music they wanted to make. That said I think there's a cool thesis/antithesis/synthesis thing going on, where I can see how someone at the time of Bitches Brew might throw up his hands and say "Ok, this is SO far outside of what I think of as jazz, and brings in so much non-jazz influence that I don't think it's jazz anymore," but meanwhile the very fact of a jazz musician making records like that in the long run kind of pushes the line outward so that eventually what people in later decades consider "jazz" is broader.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
weird fantasy stuff like Mingus getting his two lovers into prostitution and them being all "yeah baby!" about it.
this is just him wanting to be Iceberg Slim or whatever
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
xp haha but that's the thing, D-40, your stance is still arbitrary. You have failed to explain or mention what musical qualities make these "overvalued" records less valuable or worthy than whatever ones you prefer. You're referring to extramusical things - like, y'know, hats (WTF) & how much fans of music made by people with said hats annoy you.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
I want a spiritual hat.
glad Time Out didn't make the top 20. I just don't get what makes it such a canon record. Well its in lots of adverts I guess.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah just seems like you're judging a record on the merits of its audience. sure, some of these things have a "hipness" cache that doesn't have anything to do with the music -- "check out Sun Ra man, he was from outer space!" But there's still the music.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
tbf deej is more of an audience critic than a music critic
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
glad Time Out didn't make the top 20
never dug Brubeck either. I get why people like it but it just doesn't do it for me.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
this is the one i play for people not into brubeckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1X8CvYAK-Ei think i'm more of a paul desmond fan though -- his records with Jim Hall are worth searching out.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:28 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
http://moochey.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/336-ice-cube-chris-tucker-damn.gif?w=350&h=263
― some dude, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
And now for another fusion album (sans hat) that didn't make the top 20
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
My guess or at least hope is that as consumate musicians of the highest order they gave up on trying to figure out whether they fit "jazz" or not and just aimed to make the music they wanted to make. That said I think there's a cool thesis/antithesis/synthesis thing going on, where I can see how someone at the time of Bitches Brew might throw up his hands and say "Ok, this is SO far outside of what I think of as jazz, and brings in so much non-jazz influence that I don't think it's jazz anymore," but meanwhile the very fact of a jazz musician making records like that in the long run kind of pushes the line outward so that eventually what people in later decades consider "jazz" is broader.― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:23 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:23 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
Good points. Also, I'm not certain that too many (or any) of the music's innovators consciously approached their work as being part of a genre. Duke always said, "Oh, we stopped using that word ["jazz"] in the 40s"; Miles, when someone said, "You're a jazz musician, aren't you?" replied, "I'm a musician, that's all"; Thelonious Monk, talking to Bob Dylan: "We all play folk music."
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like i've heard other brubeck (solo maybe? its been a while) that i really enjoyed but time out just seems kinda rote compared to what his contemparies were doing.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 vots http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_l2FFgW8KVL0/S0sLPfjDHXI/AAAAAAAABpQ/zN_9u0sfzHk/s320/Miles+Davis+-+AGHARTA.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7ACMLIVtCkZP7EzxzsZISW
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
that is a dope cover at least, poss. miles's best.
ok i've just noticed a brubeck record called DAVE DIGS DISNEY and have a morbid curiousity. should i?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
^^even without miles, that'd be classic. what a band. i feel like a lot of the 70s miles stuff is his bands trying to *figure* out what they're doing -- which results in some really exciting music (and some stuff that's a little bit tough to get with). But Agharta/Pangea sound like they know exactly what they're doing, like they're playing everything for maximum effect. really well named records, too, the music sounds like tectonic plates shifting, life starting.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
maybe dave digs disney is good i dunno? i kind of love his version of singin in the rain.
But there's still the music.
the tuneless, ugly, noodly music is the real draw! (I keed, it's cool y'all dig that stuff, I've never been able to get into it)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://img2.wantitall.co.za/images/ShowImage.aspx?ImageId=Miles-Davis-Agharta-Blu-Spec-CD%7C61IeQ89LYlL.jpg
agharta's japanese cover > that other cover up there
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
ha whoa, never seen that before.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
ok this blue cover book is a+ but what i really want to mention is how many make me want to laugh. albums covers should be funnier/funner more often.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
also i definitely don't think that deej is having a jazz vs. not jazz argument; he's just annoyed at the records that are critically enshrined by the rock dudes, which are enshrined for sort of arbitrary reasons also ("spiritual," "sounds like rock sort of") and direct attention away from records that are instrumental in defining the actual sound and feel and culture of jazz (which is also sort of a hard thing to pin down but deej definitely has something in mind)
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2IjE77e29wQ/SQEZCwNvPWI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/SxvinJz6NjQ/s400/61GjcWK%252BPKL__SS500_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/62RMymUs9Cb4rDqYqXfTCf
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
maybe what puts me off w/ that line of thinking is- i don't think of rock as "spiritual" or "transcendent" or whatever, most of the time, unless it incorporates other genres like jazz or classical strings etc.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
i definitely wasn't conflating the two. still trying to figure out in my head why rock crits got so attracted to the spiritual beat but i have a feeling it has something to do with some sort of racism
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
being atypical in the rock world tends to get you more notice than doing what's been done before (or a slight variation of that) extremely awesomely.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
oh no not the 'r' word!!!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
lol bradnelson
agharta isn't jazz though
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
This can also be a matter of having trouble making more subtle distinctions between works in a relatively unfamiliar genre. It's definitely easier to see the really divergent stuff rather than seeing why someone in a tradition is doing something considered better than others equally grounded in the tradition. (I am inadvertently supporting deej here, I think.)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 voteshttp://jazzismylife.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/cover49.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4t43Wkg1efBwey0Y5GPyEy
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^my jam.
sam talks about his book some more pt 6: stanley turrentine sure can pull a face.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
oh hey that's a good coltrane record right there
rashied ali for president
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
(And the religion angle of rock critics might partly be related to the whole Christgau type emphasis on social significance.)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
that's not specific to rock at all
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
i haven't heard interstellar space yet (same goes for a lot of the post- classic quintet stuff) -- i'm kinda saving up. I gorged on Coltrane records a few years back and didn't want to run out! maybe now's the time, though.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 voteshttps://www.ifmusic.co.uk/images/product_images/donaldbyrdnewperspective.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3LG1c3DYgaEtCxea2z7ZSa
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
Interstellar Space is definitely the place to start for late-period Coltrane and, I'd argue, one of the key documents of 20th century music.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
I went backwards to the Byrd stuff from his 70s funk albums, but I found I really liked a lot of that era too and this was definitely my favourite of the albums.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
Zvookster its not specific to rock but how it Is about social significance can vary genre to genre
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
That byrd seems a bit high to me but I do dig that album. Byrd had a great pop ear
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
idk, stanley crouch, richard cook, brian morton, downbeat, ashley kahn etc. still being called rock dudes itt
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
various critics bailed on coltrane at various points along his journey i'm sure but where is this jazz canon of non-rock dudes who all put down a love supreme?
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
will now officially complain that A New Perspective is TOO LOW!
re: Agharta/Pangea - the thing that got me into those records, oddly enough, was some random Motorbooty piece that described them as Miles "with his finger on the g-spot of mother earth". that description has always stuck with me.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.downbeat.com/default.asp?sect=stories&subsect=story_detail&sid=773 xp
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
Miscellaneous Instrument: Roland Kirk-Manzello & Stritch
*sigh*
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
Sounds like a ventriloquist act: "The amazing Roland Kirk-Manzello, and his pal Stritch!"
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
Zvookster your confusing "likes a love supreme" with "thinks a love supreme is tranes best." Crouch is invested in a project of deifying coltrane so hearing him say a negative thing abt "a love supreme" would run counter to his overall project
Don't you think the reason khan wrote a book on "supreme" vs the others might be related to which book there was a market for
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
Khannnnnnnnnn!
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
crouch hates late coltrane fwiw, thinks the dude lost the plot post-classic quintet.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
just show me this canon! how hard can it be? cause it looks like it doesn't exist on the evidence xxp
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
Crouch is invested in a project of deifying coltrane so hearing him say a negative thing abt "a love supreme" would run counter to his overall project
Crouch saying something negative about Coltrane's post-1965 output would also run counter to that project, but I'm pretty sure Crouch has done so at least seven times just in the last hour.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
deej's world of jazz people
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Yes he thinks trane fell off but that doesn't contradict what I said??
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
"show me this canon" ? Wtf is wrong with you
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheCGV0ZXIGY3JVDWNOUGVVCGXLLVBLB3BSZQ==/imgPeter%20Crouch3.jpg
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
Granny daingers world of shitty opinions
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
deejs world of made up opinions
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
why you so aggro dude, go lie outside, it's beautiful out you herb
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums from the era that got considerably more attention from folks outside of the jazz world
― D-40, Thursday, September 1, 2011
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cLI19EXK2oU/S_l037yAgEI/AAAAAAAAAoE/N-FpD2kNNR0/s1600/1216728063031_f.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/56WqCnM5giX57Jr3aAN2aK
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
about right
maybe the best miles album imo
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
Will be taking it down to #31 tonight. Originally was going to try take it down further and do the top 20 friday but i doubt we will have time.If there's lots of posts when we get to 31 i could continue but no point if no-ones around.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
It will finish friday though
I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to do the requisite research w citations to prove that "a love supreme" isn't seen as tranes best album by all jazz critics, unfortunately it takes more work than the wikipedia search you dudes did to prove it is acclaimed, but I've been reading about jazz since I was a teenager and have a decent grasp of the nature of jazz discourse thanks
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
hey, i just want to say, no matter how inevitable the results are, i've seen at least three people on this thread listen to grant green for the first time because of this poll
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
Sam it's funny you say that, It's one of the earliest Miles cd's i bought and never got into it and i just found loads more I did. I will get back to it.
infact i'll spotify it now (i have that miles complete columbia box set but my cd players gone a bit weird and dont wanna scratch anything)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
what i'm trying to say is
everyday is a winding road
i've seen at least three people on this thread listen to grant green for the first time because of this poll
warms the cockles of my heart
just to be clear here - deej's position is that Crouch and Kahn's public opinions about A Love Supreme have no bearing on the jazz canon, as they both have conflicts of interest/economic/professional incentives to promote it. Also we should take deej's word for it that tons of other jazz critics (presumably totally impartial ones with no conflicts of interest) don't rate ALS very highly.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
glad that's settled xp
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
I have also been reading about jazz since I was a teenager btw
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
There's quite a few albums in the top 50 I don't know or have only heard once, but I don't think I've hated any of the ones I've heard that made it. Maybe one day I'll get into vocal jazz?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
in fact deej said everyone knew it was "one of his lesser albums" backing up his "vocal mantras" "smh @ rock dudes" "nowhere near among his best" opinions, read any jazz crit etc.
classic backpedal.gif
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
btw this is also an amazing book about 'outsider' jazz (lol starts with Coltrane tho) - well at least the first 2/3rds of it anyway
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
i sort of get and don't get your objection to sun ra, deej
i mean, for every moog spacheship suite he incorporated some pretty traditional jazz on his records. vocal jazz, too. i know he is critically ensconced because white people love outer space but i think in listening to his records people can be clued in to the wider tradition.
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't listen to jazz until i was like 23 and never read about it bar one big book in the library that recommended lots of it (from bebop to fusion inc free)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Just to be clear, shakey is putting words in my mouth
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe one day I'll get into vocal jazz?
aw what?! Betty Carter! that Byrd album! I repped for Blossom Dearie too but nobody cared
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
it's so big, looked like there was room
Zvookster what trane albums have u heard
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
i've read Alyn Shipton's A New History of Jazz, which is not thrilling prose but is really good, i recommend it
deej, giant steps favorite things blue train a love supreme and live at the village vangaurd again
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
oh i can listen to that kind of stuff fine, but i've never got into the big jazz singers
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
can't wait for love supreme to be #1 in this poll
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
that is of course irrelevant xxp
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
Has anyone actually linked to any jazz critics saying supreme is his best record
And for what its worth citing crouch is lol at one level bcuz hes a total jazz crit contrarian!
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
I kinda don't expect it to be tho
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
just show me this canon!
guessing that deej's impression of jazz critical consensus is inside of books which are not archived forever on the internet
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
let me know if i'm wrong about that
i think the reason people are jumping on deej is because he spoke about a canon that he refers to but wont show a link to it when asked rather than for disagreeing with his point of view. If it was just that i'm sure there would be less clowning.xps
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
nothing wrong with listing books
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
anyway sketches of spain is a pretty fucking cool record, right
deep dark marches
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:40 (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
"no one has cited this except one guy who doesnt count" and you havent provided any critics who work towards YR point
just quit already dude
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
the issue was not "is it coltrane's best", it was if deej's "smh @ vocal mantras" was backed up by jazz dudes like he said
i <3 sketches of spain
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
smh @ castanets
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, but castanets played by Elvin Jones!
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
deej has been a manifesto in search of a subject since post one, railing against "rock dudes" when things turned up with 6 votes
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
basically it's my memory of jazz crit vs. deej's (I don't keep my crit library at work). Wilmer, Crouch, and Kahn all love ALS, dunno if they would call it "his best" but I think they would disagree with deej that no case could be made for it. When people write entire books about an album - even setting marketing reasons aside - they're implicitly acknowledging its value and priveleging it over other albums. I don't think anyone's written any books about "Crescent", for ex, even if it is cited as the clear template for ALS.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
still laughing at "smh @ vocal mantras" but surely it would be better directed at om
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
hey now dont slag Om!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:47 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
because there is an audience for these records that there arent for other jazz canon LPs. a love supreme sold better than any other record he released
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
'smh @ vocal mantras' is making fun of the ~values of rock dudes~ not actually dissing 'a love supreme' which is fwiw an awesome record
like, of course crouch never wrote a piece called 'smh @ jazz mantras' -- his enemies are 'jazz that is too free' and 'jazz that doesnt swing,' not 'record collector rock dudes' (my enemies) per se
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
deej do "rock dudes" love Om?
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
'record collector rock dudes' (my enemies)
what are you doing here
tilting at windmills etc
What is wrong with 'record collector rock dudes'? :( isn't that what a lot of us are?And is a 'record collector rap dude' as bad as a rock one? i.e. you hate all record collectors?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
not even! love that record! listen to it and think "oh my god it's full of stars," etc.!
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
gonna go out on a limb here and say the real issue is deej hates himself and projects his rage onto others in order to distinguish himself from those like him
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
aww man no need to get personal in this thread
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn0XPDTFOEyEx2F2JSEoFC3DInuCNqJ6UhthOuGW-8ntSl5OeF
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
im enjoying the actual discussion though
urgh yeah sorry that was uncalled for
aaaaaanyway back to the records! I have never really liked Sketches of Spain fwiw.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
hey i've got a psych degree and i say deej has a high degree of need to feel superior to others ok let's talk about how awesome sketches of spain is now xp hahaha
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 voteshttp://991.com/newGallery/Ornette-Coleman-Free-Jazz-459655.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7zE4RadAWa8lYSvAZkGtFw
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
ha, never been into that one. a buncha noise! well, not really, but it sounds pretty messy to me.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for it!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
I remember the first time I tried to listen to this album at work. lolz
it's good, it's a landmark, but I've got to be in the right mood for it and the intensity/non-stop aggro-ness
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
a fair placing then you would say?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
hey i've got a psych degree and i say deej has a high degree of need to feel superior to others ok let's talk about how awesome sketches of spain is nowxp hahaha
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:56 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lmao are u practicing on this thread
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
dont have a problem w/ ornette's placement, he never resonated as much w/ me personally
love sketches of spain, although im one of the few who actually likes porgy & bess the most of the gil collabs
never really liked 'miles ahead' that much tho
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
the first time I heard Ornette I was surprised that it didn't ALL sound like Free Jazz tbh. Ornette! and This is Our Music, for example, are not that way out at all, the material follows standard jazz structures and sure some of the playing is weird (lol plastic instruments) but it's not at all abrasive and wild, if anything it's very lyrical and melodic.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
I'd probably place Free Jazz lower than the other Ornette albums on here.
― Moodles, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
but from everything I had read about Ornette I was expecting non-stop fiery free wailing
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
I had a similar experience. Much of his great albums don't sound particularly crazy or out, but I don't know exactly how they were perceived at the time.
― Moodles, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
ha yeah, that's what i expected too. i think ayler was what i expected after reading about ornette. but those early records, like you say, are so much more playful -- fun even!
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 voteshttp://image.lyricspond.com/image/c/artist-charles-mingus/album-pithecanthropus-erectus/cd-cover.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4kZ55sjjRKgCphjOmSMR7o
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
^^^surprised how high that was, i was under the impression ppl thought that was a lesser record, i like the title track a whole bunch tho
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
listening to sketches now and really digging saeta
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
never understood why pithecanthropus erectus had that later shot of mingus pasted on it. here's the original coverhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Pithecanthropus_Erectus.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
that cover is atrocious
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
weird! I've never seen that
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
pretty bad though. could've been a Monk cover!
love the album though, was the first mingus i ever bought.
yeah the other one is more common for whatever reason, but it's just wrong.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
i don't like that original version at all
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rgcl0ewXrrU/TXq1EFKvxbI/AAAAAAAABBU/KJnVzVB_JY4/s400/rollins.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0yodD8uAkAT5UmrlF2xy97
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
^sweet drumming on that one
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
We can't make small comments anymore. They have to be essays on the sociopolitical implications of said sweet drumming.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
most records you buy w/ max roach on them are going to be good in my experience. he's like a trademark of quality.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
sweet drumming is righteous class war
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
that was my #1
― little mushroom person (abanana), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
smash the patriarchy with sweet drumming™
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
HAHA
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 voteshttp://image-7.verycd.com/3ae920d343bc5d1c1ef1368bc962b6cf24806(600x)/thumb.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5Nu0qsOuJlFr9lQIp8kWBB
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
Still as astonishing as ever.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not the only one who thought this might sneak in the top 10 right?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
interesting cover there
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
top 35=34 miles albums & love supreme
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
A great album, but it's swung from underrated to overrated in the past 10 years.
― Moodles, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
i still remember hearing this for the 1st time in the mid-late 90s. I ordered it in via the library,it was in the big stores section of a library in east kilbride and hadn't been in the proper library for years so it was in great condition and it blew me away. Wish i had offered to buy it from them. Luckily it got a bit of a revival a few years back with that box and is now longer 'a lost classic'.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
didn't realize this one was so regarded. pretty good album, nothing extraordinary. might have to reinvestigate tho.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
box set of jack johnson sessions is worth it imo, tons of great stuff. not that pricey these days either.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Yes! Mine came with a spiritual hat.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 voteshttp://www.honestjons.com/doc_library/Originals/27398.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/647o8vl4OD1sjvvhql3jFS
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
Ooooh, this one's great.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
Great record, well chuffed it got in so high. I really recommend it to those who haven't heard it. Fantastic line up on it too.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
1st one in top 50 I've never heard of. Never even heard of Andrew Hill. Get a more distinctive jazzy name imo.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
go listen to some andrew hill. he's awesome.
― wmlynch, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
i havent listened to that one in a loooong time need to check again
one of the greatest cover arts
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
so this would be a good entry point on him?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
definitely
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
or Black Fire
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
Re: Jack Johnson, Moodles otm:
― Moodles, Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:38 PM (16 minutes ago)
Xgau's A+ is way too high.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
he's had 4 in the list now and you couldn't go wrong with getting all 4.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
will check it out, but if it's not marginally better than Jack Johnson I won't be responsible for my actions...
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
the challop used to be that jack johnson was better than bitches brew, i kind of like it more personally, i agree that the swing back for Miles 70s records in general means that its hard to say its underrated any more
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
it's more pleasant to listen to and ~groovier~ than bitches brew, but bb is more dynamic and colorful
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 voteshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0qgaENiSr4s/TV6s3zfSf6I/AAAAAAAABdw/ueglAH0BJxg/s1600/cover.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7i3cnReSEEPTFeeTDiERyh
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
mingus mingus mingus mingus
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
thats my fav mingus -- its like 'ah um' amped up x1000
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
you notice that there's not really been any huge jumps in points?It's very very tight in the top 15, and 1 ballot could have changed the order. The top are very close. And the winner didn't win by much at all. So good luck guessing the top 15 nevermind the winner..
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
There are some jumps in points though, and the top five all score over 3000.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
I hope Derek Bailey's 'Aida' wins because LOL
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-geZndEg6KbQ/TZdDtFYH4JI/AAAAAAAAA7M/vvO26fxdyXE/s1600/machinegun.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1JCuoMJbPeDknbjWPVAV9R
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but the points go up gradually rather than jump
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
yay!
― Red Hot Chili Peppers ‘I’m With You’ is a buffet of preposterous noise (crüt), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
I think I'll take it through a bit more tonight so we can finish earlier tomorrow? I know some people have to leave work and miss the results. Or do you want to finish at #31?
Anyone for or against?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
was Live In Berlin ’71 even nominated? :(
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
anyone want to guess who had that at #1?
I think we should go down to #26
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
yay. but i think we need some other than a poll co-runner to agree!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
or maybe have a spiritual hats poll as an interlude
who wore it better?
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
― D-40, Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:03 PM Bookmark
I like several of the electric records better than Bitches Brew. In fact I think a lot of the non-album material on The Complete Bitches Brew Sessions better than the album. To me this doesn't feel like a challop so much as a result of history shaking out. Bitches Brew was once THE canonical electric miles because it was sort of the big breakout album, you know, 'important' and all that. At least that's my theory -- it became the standard because it was a watershed, but Miles improved on the concept later.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
anyway kerry you should go on as long as you want
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
I prefer jack johnson to BB but most dont agree
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
yah that seems rightcurious where u stand on the 'love supreme' debate? xxps to hurting
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
Taking it through to #26 tonight btw. So hope you all stick around
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
this next one is a beauty of an album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
Bitches Brew was once THE canonical electric miles
surely it's On the Corner now...?
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
on the corner was the pop miles album right? i know that was like the lester bangs one
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_r9BHjNdFgbI/TR9Z8ub1pPI/AAAAAAAAKi4/nekjMHl5EJ4/s1600/Lee%2BMorgan%2B1964%2BSearch%2BFor%2BThe%2BNew%2BLand.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6NmykD5FJftiDWqjWlwKfr
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
yes yes get the 'too low' shouts in. It's going to happen with (almost) every album from now on isn't it?
xp pop miles album? not quite. i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder how many lee morgan albums will make it? im assuming 'sidewinder,' what about 'cornbread'?
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
I can see Lester digging OTC, but that's news to me. It may have been Miles' "attempt" at a funk pop record but it fails so hard on that criteria - it's way too harsh
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
A Love Supreme:Coltrane's prior work is not really a good analogy to Bitches Brew:Miles's prior work imo. I mean really A Love Supreme sounds like much less of a departure from the work of his past few years. I mean what's the big deal, he sings on one track? A couple of the movements would be at home on pretty much any Coltrane Impulse record. He had already done arguably 'gimmicky' stuff like My Favorite Things and Inch Worm, not to mention Ballads or the Duke Ellington record, and A Love Supreme gives you a lot to dig into compared to some of his material from the period.
I don't know if it's the BEST Coltrane record, but it's really pretty and really heavy too, so I don't particularly mind it being the favorite.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:37 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i dont mean pop in a dissing it sense, just as a crossover
i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.
yeah he may have been closer to the pulse of the (well, mostly white) youth with Bitches Brew but by the time of On the Corner dude was obviously *really* disconnected from the pop market. also: cocaine.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, Bitches Brew crossed over a lot more than OTC. I don't think that album was a hit. bangs wrote about on the corner -- i'm not sure whether he * liked * it per se.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:35 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
This on the other hand does actually kind of annoy me, just because On The Corner is sort of an outlier album even among the electric stuff. It's a great record but it feels really vastly apart from the rest of his electric period. Like if it's your favorite electric miles record fine but to my mind that just means you don't really like electric miles.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
oh i didnt mean to compare the miles & trane pop vs spiritual hat vs. 'real jazz' or w/e they both have totally diff & complicated relationships w/ audiences & discourses etc -- was just wondering where 'a love supreme' stood in your personal canon xps to hurting
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
Like if it's your favorite electric miles record fine but to my mind that just means you don't really like electric miles.
oh come on. it stands out but it's of a piece with stuff that came after, some of which included pieces cut from the OTC sessions.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
In re popularity, I think that's also just the result of timing and a marketing coup -- around when Bitches Brew came out, Miles and/or his management had the great idea of having him play all these big hippie venues like the Fillmore and various festivals and such, and the music was just connected enough to what the kids were listening to at that moment, and the zeitgeist was very "let's EXPAND OUR MINDS" so I think there was a window where people were open to it. OTC probably just wasn't timed/destined to meet that same kind of openness.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
what do you think sets it apart so much from Agharta... or Get Up With It? I guess a bunch of the "songs" are shorter, but then they're all mixed together.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
i know that at the time, on the corner wasnt considered a huge success, i mean 'pop miles' in a more contemporary sense fwiw -- its definitely an 'intro to miles' record for a lot of people in the past few years (which surprised me bcuz its so different from the miles eras i was introduced to)
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
The other electric records retain much more of a sense of a bunch of musicians improvising together -- OTC sounds more composed (or at least more heavily edited) and is more repetitive imo. It's mostly beats and themes with variations. They're all groove-oriented, but OTC is much moreso.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1 http://i40.tinypic.com/a2svpx.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/71ITD2qnGTd6JJZQvGMJRH
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
huh, i would not pick OTC as an intro to miles tbh. it's a pretty challenging record. electric miles is best approached via in a silent way i think. might even just be best to go chronologically from there.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:47 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what if youre into, like, the boredoms or can or faust or something? idk thats the context i see it in typically
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I'd say Silent Way too, but it depends which direction you come from.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
ive never heard that shepp record
it's a great record, I voted for it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
I find Bitches Brew pretty accessible (it was my way into electric Miles), but yeah I still find OTC not so easy-listening.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
i've introduced quite a few people to miles through jack johnson. "rock" people that is...
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
Would probably rate a few of the others over it though.xps
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
In A Silent Way is definitely the best intro to electric Miles for non-jazz types. Eno loves it!
― Number None, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
It's a good one. I think Shepp is one of those musicians who made about 50 mediocre records and four or five brilliant ones, and this is definitely one of the brilliant ones. xp
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
what if youre into, like, the boredoms or can or faust or something? idk thats the context i see it in typicallyyeah i suppose that makes sense.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1http://images.hhv.de/catalog/detail_big/00022/22927.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1uPpf0LfR227I6vruxYkxZ
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
i remember moving in reverse like -- i was into miles, and that miles album wasnt one i loved but got into that kind of kraut stuff in reverse (after seeing it compared to later miles) & finding it a bit 'simple' (lol jazzism) for me at the time ... like, i think i didnt get the appeal of the motorik style or w/e until later, i was used to the appeal of jazz soloists operating w/in the context of the groove rather than the groove existing for itself
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
dont know that herbie album at all either
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://image.lyricspond.com/image/h/artist-herbie-hancock/album-mwandishi-the-complete-warner-bros-recordings/cd-cover.jpgre: herbie, this is very much worth your $10
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
doing weather report covers in jazz band initially scared me away from fusion ... i thought stuff like 'birdland' was sooo corny
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
which explains why i missed a lot of later herbie
yeah WTF with this Herbie record?!
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
little surprised to see it so high, but it is great. again, get that 2 CD warner recordings thing! it is the best.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
It's the same group that did Sextant, right?
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
just odd that I know the albums before and after this one, but never came across it. cover is very odd, kinda ugly...?
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
yeah more or less same band as sextant.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
mwandishi band is all time
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
yescan i justhttp://neverenoughrhodes.blogspot.com/2008/05/never-enough-live-herbie-hancock.html
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
oh didnt realize this was that early. yah i like this era
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
This album does tend to get overlooked yet is very highly regarded, but most people (rock crits/record collectors) go for sextant but dont delve into anything else from this period. Apart from the obvious big album that i wont mention incase it does/doesn't make it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
gonna assume both headhunters and sextant will show up here
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
i probably voted for/own the entire top 30(or beyond) but i cba checking and instead i'll post the next one
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
one of my fave ever herbie anecdotes is from an old wire article on the mwandishi years where patrick gleeson was talking about trying to mix synths/keyboards into the band's sound for the first time and how he kept getting the mean mug from buster williams all night until someone finally took him aside and said "no one plays LOWER than buster in this band."
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
artwork looks like it should be on the side of sun ra's chevy van
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 voteshttp://jeffsplace.me/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Joe-Henderson-Page-One.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7mQGTuvmdp56DNz0AmMwWi
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
xp I remember that Wire article - bought Sextant off the back of that, iirc the 2nd jazz album I owned.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
impressed how high that finished, henderson usually gets underrated!
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
page one must have been one of the first 60s blue notes i bought
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
page one was #7 in my ballot
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
not familiar with it, audio samples sound intriguing, so I ordered it for $3.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1http://revivalist.okayplayer.com/core/wp-content/uploads/Miles_Davis-On_The_Corner-Frontal.jpeghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4K7w2LiKZz0CyHXl6OtkOu
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
Indeed, I did vote Miles.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
haha a helluva lot did
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
this might have been my #1, I can't remember
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
yes, it was
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
like OTC but glad it didn't place higher
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
it was
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
never one of my favorite miles records
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
I actually assumed it would be in the top 10.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
yah a lil surprised it wasnt higher
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
me too. but I did say that a lot of albums didn't place as high as i thought would, and some didn't at all. Yet others were astonishingly high. welcome to an ilm poll!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
im guessing headhunters didnt make :O
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
I thought about voting in this poll but I would of put all my points in Cosmic Tones For Mental Therapy and voted for nothing else
― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if I would of been allowed to have only a single vote so I went away
I'd happily acknowledge that Miles made records as strong if not better than OTC but that's just the one that had the biggest impact on me and has the most sentimental value. I came across it at a time when my listening habits were really expanding and it intersected with a bunch of other things (McLaughlin copping the riff from Funkadelic's "Super Stupid" for ex). Most importantly, I've never grown tired of it.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
what can I say I just wanted it to place highly!
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
oddly, maybe having my one single vote in this poll would of made the results more diverse
― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
this is a pretty diverse list and Sun Ra is already well represented tho
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
A single #1 would have boosted Cosmic Tones from #105 to #73. Truly a missed opportunity!
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
last thing we needed was more sun ra!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
or do we?
I just can't understand why Cosmic Tones would hit #105I feel like if you put a bunch of jazzheads together you are gonna cut out the fringe listeners
― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
pete townshend voted for 100 of them
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
its kinda funny that people are saying sun ra placed so low
fringe listeners have diametrically different opinions than a jazz hivemind
― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
he suffered vote splitting im sure
if having nearly as many records as miles & trane counts as s'suffering'
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
I'm assuming one or two other Ra albums will still show up...? maybe that's being optimistic
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
jazz hivemind did 9/11
miles and trane outscored him so far though i lost count
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
Cosmic Tones certainly deserved to be higher. Search For The New Land is my favorite out of these last ones.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
no Sun Ra album is better than Cosmic Tones
― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
really?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
easily really
― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
I'd be inclined to agree.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
lorax why would anyone only want to vote for one album? we didn't get less than a 10 vote ballot. Which is the way it should be. We got a good few full 100 ballots as well as mine.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
its better than heliocentric worlds of?
or nothing is?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
Totally. Black Myth/Out In Space a close second maybe. For me, anyway.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
Just had to announce my #1 is allPlease go on
I own heliocentric worlds 1 and 2 and yes it is better
― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
I personally prefer The Magic City, but I could go either way. I definitely don't think there is a single Sun Ra record that stands head-and-tinfoil-covered-shoulders above the rest, though.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
lorax how about -
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8tRUd669B4I/TF8u_q4xaBI/AAAAAAAABeY/TsIP6btAWj4/s1600/Space+is+the+Place+(LP).jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4KsD7TdYrEd1NX0q5GMHNt
~cosmic hat~
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
nope
― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
just get the hatbox set
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
that kind of puts the other mystical hats to shame tbh
speaking purely about the hat itself, not the music contained within the hat
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
Controversial! Actually I have no idea why this is the highest Ra - it has a nice version of Space is the Place and that's about it. I did vote for it, mainly out of sentimental reasons: it was the first jazz album I ever bought and did have an effect on how I listened to music.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
Personally I am a fan of the music contained within that hat. And most of his other hats, too.
Do you have a hat, deej? Or is this partly hat envy?
― emil.y, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
Oh I see it has five stars from Allmusic, maybe it's more canonical than I thought.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
YESSSSS
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not even sure if I voted for that hat, to be honest. He is a man of too many hats.
― emil.y, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
im sure an actual sun ra albums ballot poll would have different results everytime.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
For any fans of cheapness out there who haven't heard Herbie Hancock's Crossings, I bought it yesterday for £1.69 from the Amazon MP3 store. Also got Pharoah Sanders' Black Unity album for £0.69.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
seandalai i think it was probably a lot of peoples first exposure. its on impulse,was reissued and easy to find.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
Actually I have no idea why this is the highest Ra
I'd venture that it's because the album covers the broad range of styles Ra embraced - there's the chants, the free blowing, some loose big band swing, Rocket No. 9 has some goofy synth sounds - it's about as representative an album as he ever cut. and the movie it's associated with is definitely a masterpiece of some kind, so there's that.
but honestly I agree w/emil.y that there's no clear high point/masterwork in his catalog, he wasn't really that kind of artist. there's albums I prefer more than others for one reason or another, but none of them really encapsulate the whole of his vision and this one probably comes closest.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
probably the 1st sun ra cd I got after getting the heliocentric worlds of vinyls in fopp in byres road for a fiver each in the 90s.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
rocket no 9 is awesome
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
'Rocket No. 9' is the song that the MC5 covered amirite?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, I...I've never actually heard this. I've heard the soundtrack (the one on Evidence), but not this.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
no. they "covered" Starship which was actually just some poem that the MC5 set to music of their own...? (I was confused re: this very point on some Sun Ra thread, cuz I'd never come across a song or poem called "Starship", and yet had seen it covered by the MC5 and Spacemen 3)
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
Oh shit, I'm conflating it with Rocket Reducer No. 62 aren't I?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
Fucking rockets.
ahhh, i always wondered about that!! I just assumed it was from one of those hundreds of ra albums i'd never heard!
challops?i prefer the spacemen 3 version
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
The "Space is the Place" on this album is probably the first song I ever heard by Sun Ra, that made an impression anyway (back in my teens). Actually, at this point I wouldn't mind if the song were a bit shorter, but the band sounds incredible.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
Point of Departure is one of my jazz albums I really really wanted to like, but I could not get into it. I thought I was going to click with Andrew Hill after hearing some live solo recordings of his that I liked, but it never really happened for me. I do own Compulsion, but mostly for the sake of John Gilmore's presence.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
I saw Hill live, too. I definitely admire the level at which they were playing, the way they meshed together.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
No posts for the past seven minutes. I killed ILM.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
Recap 250-26
100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes 95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes 91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #181 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #166 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1 65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1 64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes
49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes 42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1 35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #131 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1 29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #128 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #126 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes
Charles Mingus - 8Grant Green - 5Archie Shepp - 7Thelonious Monk - 7Herbie Hancock - 8Pharoah Sanders - 7Sun Ra - 11John Coltrane - 18 Miles Davis - 27
Might be others with 5 but cba checking. And of course some are sidemen on other albums.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
Charles Mingus - 8Grant Green - 5Archie Shepp - 7Thelonious Monk - 7Herbie Hancock - 8Pharoah Sanders - 7Sun Ra - 11John Coltrane - 18Miles Davis - 27
anyone surprised by which ppl arent in here? maybe Rollins?
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
Hope everyone is still enjoying the jazz poll and will check out as much as they can, especially on the Spotify Poll Results playlist
Will commence the countdown around 2pm UK time unless there's lots of people around posting on the thread and I might start an hour earlier.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
Sonny Rollins has 4
Ornette Coleman has 5
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
Freddie Hubbard has 5
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
Donald Byrd has 4
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
disappointed there's no Booker Little ... jaki byard ... im at work right now or i'd check & see who else ... kenny dorham
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah kenny dorham has one Matador
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
ah ok thats good must have missed that. i always liked 'quiet kenny'
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
una mas was aite too
charlie parker with strings -- so this didnt make it?
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link
v little parker at all so far!
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
Hank Mobley has 3 and Lee Morgan has 2 :(mahavishnu have 1 before willy chugger asks
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah charlie parker only has 1. Duke Ellington has 3
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:27 (twelve years ago) link
all so far obviously ...... or is it?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
Alice Coltrane has 4
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
bobby hutcherson has 4
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
ellington having fewer makes sense since so much of his best stuff was pre '45 ... although there were def some really, really good records hes done that imo are up with or better than sun ra's 5th best, i.e. his lp with john coltrane ... 'side by side' and 'back to back' ... 'afro eurasian eclipse'
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
parker people usually get into through compilations so i guess i can see how he'd suffer w/ albums
i always dug charles lloyd too, missing him here ...
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
im disappointed no-one took my offer on predicting the top 20. (already people have said they didn't as sure-fire choices had already placed low)
But it's much easier now, right?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
No idea of the order now but at least 2 more sun ra- futuristic sounds of and nuclear war are certainties. Duke ellington new orleans suite. Herbie hancocks sextant and headhunters. Miles davis in a silent way, bitches brew , black beauty at filmore west.and kind of blue. Frank zappa - hot rats. Nina simone at carnegie hall.Charlie parker story. Coltrane - a love supreme,my favourite things. Mingus - black saint and sinner lady. Mahavishno orchestra - birds of fire. Weather report s/t. Sonny rollins? Must have a few to come. Sinatra maybe?
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
I'll be shocked as hell if Hot Rats gets named tomorrow.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
Still holding out for Bill Dixon's Intents and Purposes, though I know it's beyond a long shot at this point.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
Good call. But he did say shock misses and entries. But I think the albums i missed will be in the 25. Mingus to win if kob and als are too 'canon' for ilm. Maybe karma or headhunters. Can see sinatra maybe missing out from my list maybe. Anyone vote for him?
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:33 (twelve years ago) link
Still expecting to see Mingus Ah Um and Journey in Satchidananda
― Number None, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
futuristic sounds of and nuclear war
No way.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
All the other nominated albums made it so why not those? Yo la tengo covered nuclear war does it get anymore rock friendly?
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
I've never seen enough enthusiasm here for those two albums to place them above the Sun Ra that's already placed. (Anyway, something one of the pollsters said seemed to imply no more Ra on the list.)
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:54 (twelve years ago) link
They did? Where? Not one person mentioned space is the place yet it's placed high.
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:54 PM (3 hours ago)
Since seandalai is one of the two pollrunners, I assumed this was an accidental spoiler.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 03:13 (twelve years ago) link
Wasn't the conversation about what had placed so far? Armand was posting numbers of the artists albums that placed so far not all in, was he? Or has he inadvertently told us how many placed if each in full??! Hahahaha
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
Armand own up!
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
Will any Ella FItzgerald get in? Oh Dizzy Gillespie! Him and charlie parker will definitely be in. No vote splitting there.
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
no ben websterno coleman hawkinsno billie holidayno bud powellno oscar petersonno ahmad jamalno django reinhardt1 count basieno buddy richno lionel hamptonno stan kentonno louis armstrongno gene krupa
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 06:28 (twelve years ago) link
otm fukked up
a few of those peaked prior to 45 tho
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:29 (twelve years ago) link
def but i will rep for at least one post 45 album for all of them
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch not shown up yet, would love to see that in the top 25.
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:32 (twelve years ago) link
im 100% sure thats in there
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:36 (twelve years ago) link
Yes Gavin, that's a strong contender for top ten in my book, but may be one of those shocking blind spots Armand's talking about.
Giant Steps is another of those maaaaybe... Maybe not. Also The Sidewinder.
― Spectrist, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
i think both will def make it. worried about 'cornbread,' i love that album
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:40 (twelve years ago) link
i'm hoping ornette coleman's "the shape of punk to come" will appear.
― charlie h, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:51 (twelve years ago) link
xp don't know Cornbread, will have to rectify that, as well as the unfamiliarity with the other hundred or so on the list, good heavens. Loving the results so far, once I'm out of the woods with work I can't wait to settle down with a solid ten-day playlist.
― Spectrist, Friday, 2 September 2011 07:01 (twelve years ago) link
I'd be okay with Köln Concert not making my playlist btw. Can't say the same for poor Dexter Gordon tho.
― Spectrist, Friday, 2 September 2011 07:05 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for an Art Tatum / Ben Webster LP but doubt it made it.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 07:29 (twelve years ago) link
no modern jazz quartet no milt jacksonno deodatono george benson
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 07:36 (twelve years ago) link
Things I expect to see:
AscensionBlue TrainA Love SupremeMy Favourite ThingsGiant StepsMingus Ah UmBlack Saint & the Dinner LadyJourney in SatchidanandaOut To LunchThe SidewinderIn A Silent WayBitches BrewKind Of BlueSextantHeadhuntersKarmaThe Real McCoyBrilliant CornersSpiritual UnityUnityFrank Sinatra Sings for Only the LonelySongs for Swingin' LoversDuke Ellington & John Coltrane
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 08:50 (twelve years ago) link
Moondog ftw btw, fuiud
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 08:51 (twelve years ago) link
Would be great to see some Nina Simone & Billie Holiday too, no idea if folks could agree on favourite albums though.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 09:01 (twelve years ago) link
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:57 (10 hours ago) Bookmark
ooooh, really? do you have to sign up or any of that gunk or can you just download and pay like you were ordering a cd?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 10:29 (twelve years ago) link
Re: the discussion long ago about expectations of hearing Ornette the first time - I had this too to a certain extent but it works in steps, right? I mean they were the first *free* band but they were still used to working with each other and knowing what each other was doing within jazz conventions, right? It wouldn't be till later that dudes would just tear it up for the sake of it, whereas those Ornette records still have a sense of "hey he's ripping it, i best stand back" etc.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 10:31 (twelve years ago) link
do you have to sign up or any of that gunk or can you just download and pay like you were ordering a cd?
No, you just go through the checkout in the normal way and then the file starts downloading. Think you might have to install the download program the first time round though, can't remember.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 10:37 (twelve years ago) link
cheers! unity here i come!
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 10:39 (twelve years ago) link
Billy Hart is on that one? Just saw him last week at Birdland, he was great. Hannibal Marvin Peterson? Black Unity here I come, even without UK bargain prices.
― Olivia Newsun John (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hLY9DmXXlH4/S-tGlIroIjI/AAAAAAAAB1c/y5_C52qvCmA/s1600/7942.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2GQNkSoyBPwTkpuzn8niec
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
My first Cecil record. I'd duly absorbed Ayler and late-period Coltrane for a year prior to hearing this, but this confused the shit outta me. Once the confusion passed, I couldn't stop listening to it.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 voteshttp://lh6.ggpht.com/-MhNrNL5MTkQ/TBboYO63VhI/AAAAAAAAbAc/qsuHrKavvKM/the%252520sidewinder.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1n1trPeeY9Q5H4eLbbHHRg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
anybody here?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
someone should do a jazz covers poll, divided up into spiritual hat and non-spiritual hat.
― Neil S, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
seandalai is doing a spiritual hat poll after this but he's worried over arguments over 'but that isn't a jazz hat' type comments
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
xp I was going to poll all the hat covers.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
If we descend to the level of arguing whether a given headpiece is a hat or not then we all deserve to die.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
it's ilx
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
deej to thread
― Neil S, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway thanks for this guys, an almost overwhelming number of new records to listen to, which I'm very excited about! Keep 'em coming...
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RBFN7PJQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
^ my favourite jazz hat cover
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
ilm where posters would rather argue over spiritual hats than music
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
hats, bicycles and jazz FTW
― Neil S, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
more a cap than a hat imo
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 voteshttp://i7.tinypic.com/6g8vwww.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6V91XmWywH57srvy7oRYNO
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PbIEwrCxL._SS135_SL160_.jpg(Bill Dixon's November, 1981)As he once said, "You've got to know how to wear a hat."
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
craphttp://s.dsimg.com/image/R-150-2573410-1291138198.jpeg
Destination Out!
― broom air, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
OUT! DESTINATION...
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
huh haven't heard that cecil taylor or that jackie mclean. i hereby resign my post as a jazz d-bag.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 voteshttp://www.silvertentacle.com/images/MILES%20DAVIS%20ROUND%20ABOUT%20MIDNIGHT.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/4VUawqEDCHHfrUe77ScQ2K
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
I'd say either Unit Structures or Conquistador! is the place to start for small-group Cecil. xp
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:01 (twelve years ago) link
Destination Out is great. McLean, Hutcherson, and Moncur collaborated on a few records around this time, maybe most notably Moncur's two GREAT records "Evolution" and "Some Other Stuff." If I'd gotten my act together to vote for this, both of those would have made my top 20 easy (Some Other Stuff probably top ten).
I saw the reunited band in Grant Park in Chicago in the 90s. Everyone was great, except Moncur. Nevertheless a great event.
― broom air, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
cool, yeah moncur's records are ones i've been meaning to get to.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
It will blow your mind!
― broom air, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
The Moncur Mosaic Select set is probably the way to go: has Evolution, Some Other Stuff, and the McLean records he's on.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
aren't all the mosaic boxes long OOP?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
Nope, some of them are just "Running Low."
― Olivia Newsun John (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
the "select" boxes are usually more available, i think. this one is on amazon, anyway. but i think i could get all the albums it covers for cheaper separately. anyway, listening to Destination Out right now -- sounding awesome.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 voteshttp://www.terra-san.com/ccmail/jazz/Jazz%2020/TheloniousMonk.BrilliantCorners.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5V9uC1fklKKnY2ufNfFvR9
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
hmm I don't know Unit Structures. what's it like? fantastic cover!
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
i know the mosaic boxes I'd like are long OOP
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
maybe a little bit challopsy, but i've never gotten too into brilliant corners, something about it seems like a bit of a chore, it's missing the humor/playfulness of my favorite monk recordings? I don't know, maybe it'll click at some point.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
It's like this!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_woT6Mgp64c
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
havent heard the mclean, think hes pretty awesome tho generally, impressed this did so well!
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
that miles record is so so good -- the opening of coltrane's solo on the title track is burned into my brain
(dooo doot doo doot doot doot dooooo...doo doooooo)
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that "round midnight" is pretty much top 10 all time jazz.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
would be if he was sportin a jaunty hat
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Hat Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 voteshttp://hhbrady.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/spiritual-unity-cover.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
Right on. I was hoping this would place in the top 20.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
I was actually expecting Unit Structures to make it.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
reallllly enjoying destination out, dudes, thanks.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
hurrah, must have been one of the cd's i got when i first got into jazz.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oG9GEI0LKEY/TMVAfsxBrwI/AAAAAAAABZc/kvblgnDH1u4/s1600/cover.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6zV55F6W8kh1qe8LHhqRbz
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
Charlie Parker Story will still place but having doubts about birds of fire and hot rats if they dont show up in the next 5 places. This isnt going to be a jazz canon poll is it?
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
Alice needs a hat
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
spiritual robe
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
her finest moment btw imho
also I listened to Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy last night and I don't really get what sets it apart from any of the other mid-60s Saturn releases. I mean it's great but it doesn't particularly stand out to me...? I forgot about the track with the phone repeatedly ringing in the background, that was funny.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
eesh, what an album (JIS). just those opening moments, the bells, the bass, the harp...i like almost all of alice's records, but this one is the ONE.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
digging Unit Structures thx guys
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
Somehow I didn't vote for this...scratching my spiritual head here. Great album.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
Nah, her aura is adequate. I do love this album, aside maybe from the oud, because the oud just falls a bit flat compared to what I'm used to it sounding like.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
started listening to machine gun, but it's not quite what i'm in the frame of mind right now. herbie hancock seems to be doing the trick though, as usual.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, Ayler as an intro to jazz, that's intense. One of the things I picked up at Amoeba was a used Japanese import of Lonnie Liston Smith - Astral Traveling. I've never heard him before, and for some reason expected some funk, but it's more cosmic. Very nice.
I'll try to guess the next entry - Headhunters (I guessed Alice too but saw it's just posted)
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
Here's 16 albums we haven't had yet:
AscensionBlue TrainA Love SupremeMy Favourite ThingsGiant StepsMingus Ah UmBlack Saint & the Sinner LadyOut To LunchIn A Silent WayBitches BrewKind Of BlueSextantHeadhuntersKarmaThe Shape Of Jazz To ComeThe Real McCoy
The last one might be iffy, but it deserves to be right up there.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
I'm glad we reached the stage where no-one shouts too low and are just happy the album has placed.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
I'd say all of Nick's are locks, but yeah dunno about that Tyner album
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
i voted for it! so ... maybe? it's great, but anything with tyner/elvin jones is pretty great.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
Seandalai did you mean that there is no more Sun Ra? I was sure Nuclear War would go top twenty.
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
18 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EfH7QQM5cK8/TJ50O3qTt_I/AAAAAAAAGRE/gF6kJ4v1Ds8/s1600/%5BAllCDCovers%5D_miles_davis_bitches_brew_1991_retail_cd-front.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1wVO8nHzgcim0IBzbXnYX0
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
curious that everyone loves miles but no one fucks with dude who he "gets all his inspiration from" ie ahmad jamal
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
Tempted to shout TOO LOW! but I'll leave it be. My favourite Miles album.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
I've only picked through this thread (not sure I'll ever make it through all of it:), but I'm interested in what deej is saying about Sun Ra and Pharoah Sanders. Maybe you've done this already, but could you post your ballot deej?
― matt2, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
I was sure Nuclear War would go top twenty.
why?
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
because Yo La Tengo covered it?
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
deej didn't vote matt
i missed the deadline & im at work & my rough ballot is on my home comp but i can post it when i get back
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
thought you were gonna say Betty there for a minute lol
Is this generally seen as one of Ra's more significant records? I listen to it less than any other Ra.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
hmm yeah, was jamal even on the ballot? he's a big missing piece of this poll.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
id say that based on these results the biases seem to be basically 'large figures w/ extensive discographies' (depth as opposed to breadth) + the mystical hat club of spiritual outsider jazz discussed earlier
it is what it is
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Which Jamal album would have been expected to place?
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
Surely Jamal's "The Awakening" will make it?
― matt2, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe only if this were the hip-hop heads jazz poll.
yeah def not complaining about the results, which would be silly. it's a list of a certain group of people's favorite jazz records. but anyone reading and interesting in exploring jazz should def check out all the artists I listed above (and I'll continue checking out some who did make the list that I'm not familiar with)
xp yeah The Awakening or Ahmad's Blues or Live at Pershing
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
would've thought at the pershing. don't think the awakening would be top 20, but i could be wrong.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
hip hop heads jazz poll=top 20 nothing but david axelrod and bob james
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
And "The Awakening"
― matt2, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
i don think theres anything wrong w/ critiquing the results, it explains why they ended up the way they did
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
if Real McCoy doesn't make it then FUCK Y'ALLL
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
did you vote?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
no
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1 http://cestsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/305281b9.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/38ERGmBgDAsCTb4KNeopsX
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
this is the album I'm most pleased about going top 20
Wow, never heard it, and surprised at its high placement. Lineup looks stellar, though.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
i like that record. dont love it but its nice.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
its a fucking fantastic album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
love the album cover, record i dont remember standing out
man i know what i'm missing from this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Blowin%27_Session
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^soooo effin good
okay wasn't expecting that one
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
told ya
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
Whoa. Nice gams, though!
― broom air, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
Worldly shoes jazz.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 voteshttp://blog-imgs-21.fc2.com/d/o/c/dochizame/20080403105232.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7lfxr5IrZ7cH69ATCJv4Go
spotify doesn't seem to have the proper album and instead has a few comps of the same name, but if anyone has the time to scroll through all the coltrane albums and finds it please post it here and I'll add it
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
found it with a different coverhttp://open.spotify.com/album/6tC1isLpyIm5zXqlBs1pjF
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
so scratch 1st link with the comp
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/album/3i7sNgNRwyGQmNP0CPuOM0 also
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
the correct one is on the Spotify Playlist that everyone should subscribe to.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
35 subscribers so far.
15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EfH7QQM5cK8/TD3tip4lI5I/AAAAAAAAFyY/AYrCTtu9_4E/s1600/ColtraneJAlovesupreme.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5DXmUb5WnwvBeNJDgXx3sL
AMG review
Cover (A Love Supreme:John Coltrane Quartet)Album Browser< PreviousNext >ArtistJohn Coltrane QuartetAlbumA Love SupremeRatingstar_rating(9)Release DateDec 9, 1964Recording DateDec 9, 1964LabelImpulse!TypeInstrumentalTime32:59Genre JazzStyle Avant-Garde Jazz Free Jazz Hard Bop Modal Music Post-Bop Jazz Instrument Saxophone Jazz Trumpet JazzMoods Enigmatic Epic Ethereal Sophisticated Yearning Atmospheric Reflective Reverent Searching Spiritual Wistful Hypnotic Passionate ComplexThemes Comfort Empowering New Love Reflection Revolutionary Affirmation In Love Introspection Late Night Long Walk Rainy Day The Creative SideAMG Album IDR 136933Corrections to this Entry?Reviewby Sam SamuelsonEasily one of the most important records ever made, John Coltrane's A Love Supreme was his pinnacle studio outing that at once compiled all of his innovations from his past, spoke of his current deep spirituality, and also gave a glimpse into the next two and a half years (sadly, those would be his last). Recorded at the end of 1964, Trane's classic quartet of Elvin Jones, McCoy Tyner, and Jimmy Garrison stepped into the studio and created one of the most thought-provoking, concise, and technically pleasing albums of their bountiful relationship (not to mention his best-selling to date). From the undulatory (and classic) bassline at the intro to the last breathy notes, Trane is at the peak of his logical yet emotionally varied soloing while the rest of the group is remarkably in tune with Coltrane's spiritual vibe. Composed of four parts, each has a thematic progression leading to an understanding of spirituality through meditation. From the beginning, "Acknowledgement" is the awakening of sorts that trails off to the famous chanting of the theme at the end, which yields to the second act, "Resolution," an amazingly beautiful piece about the fury of dedication to a new path of understanding. "Persuance" is a search for that understanding, and "Psalm" is the enlightenment. Although he is at times aggressive and atonal, this isn't Trane at his most adventurous (pretty much everything recorded from here on out progressively becomes much more free, and live recordings from this period are extremely spirited), but it certainly is his best attempt at the realization of concept -- as the spiritual journey is made amazingly clear. A Love Supreme clocks in at just over 30 minutes, but if it had been any longer it could have turned into a laborious listen. As it stands, just enough is conveyed. It is almost impossible to imagine a world without A Love Supreme having been made, and it is equally impossible to imagine any jazz collection without it.
John Coltrane QuartetAlbum
A Love SupremeRating
star_rating(9)Release Date
Dec 9, 1964Recording Date
Dec 9, 1964Label
Impulse!Type
InstrumentalTime
32:59Genre
Jazz
Style
Avant-Garde Jazz Free Jazz Hard Bop Modal Music Post-Bop Jazz Instrument Saxophone Jazz Trumpet Jazz
Moods
Enigmatic Epic Ethereal Sophisticated Yearning Atmospheric Reflective Reverent Searching Spiritual Wistful Hypnotic Passionate Complex
Themes
Comfort Empowering New Love Reflection Revolutionary Affirmation In Love Introspection Late Night Long Walk Rainy Day The Creative Side
AMG Album ID
R 136933Corrections to this Entry?Review
by Sam Samuelson
Easily one of the most important records ever made, John Coltrane's A Love Supreme was his pinnacle studio outing that at once compiled all of his innovations from his past, spoke of his current deep spirituality, and also gave a glimpse into the next two and a half years (sadly, those would be his last). Recorded at the end of 1964, Trane's classic quartet of Elvin Jones, McCoy Tyner, and Jimmy Garrison stepped into the studio and created one of the most thought-provoking, concise, and technically pleasing albums of their bountiful relationship (not to mention his best-selling to date). From the undulatory (and classic) bassline at the intro to the last breathy notes, Trane is at the peak of his logical yet emotionally varied soloing while the rest of the group is remarkably in tune with Coltrane's spiritual vibe. Composed of four parts, each has a thematic progression leading to an understanding of spirituality through meditation. From the beginning, "Acknowledgement" is the awakening of sorts that trails off to the famous chanting of the theme at the end, which yields to the second act, "Resolution," an amazingly beautiful piece about the fury of dedication to a new path of understanding. "Persuance" is a search for that understanding, and "Psalm" is the enlightenment. Although he is at times aggressive and atonal, this isn't Trane at his most adventurous (pretty much everything recorded from here on out progressively becomes much more free, and live recordings from this period are extremely spirited), but it certainly is his best attempt at the realization of concept -- as the spiritual journey is made amazingly clear. A Love Supreme clocks in at just over 30 minutes, but if it had been any longer it could have turned into a laborious listen. As it stands, just enough is conveyed. It is almost impossible to imagine a world without A Love Supreme having been made, and it is equally impossible to imagine any jazz collection without it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
erm oops
I wonder if there's another Coltrane that's gonna place higher
btw I looked up some of Wilmer's writing on Coltrane last night. She considered Ascension his "meisterwerk"
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooa someone page deej.
Ascension may beat it! Exciting!
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I like Ascension but if so that seems sort of wrong to me as the highest placing Coltrane album
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
oh wait Blue Train and Giant Steps haven't shown up yet have they...?
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Neither has Om.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 voteshttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EfH7QQM5cK8/TJlExEIp0kI/AAAAAAAAGOU/Zni7W7RutiA/s1600/%5BAllCDCovers%5D_charles_mingus_mingus_ah_um_1999_retail_cd-front.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3a2i6s10mAibRR7TlrnHRM
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
would not put ascension in my top 10 coltrane. maybe not even my top 20! i like it, but like Ornette's similar Free Jazz, i think it's kind of a mess. Prefer the intensity of the smaller band to the big blast of these double quartet.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
i like the ascension story where, after two 40+ minute takes, coltrane says: "can we do it one more time? " and elvin jones hurls his snare drum at trane.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
you like 1st or 2nd take best?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
Interstellar Space is my favorite Coltrane free record; I tend to agree about Ascension--exciting and thrilling at times, yes, but a mess.
x-post haha at Tyler's story...
― Clarke B., Friday, 2 September 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
ah um is my shit. distinctive without sacrificing tunes; holds your attention without being "challenging". i think i'm a bit geirish when it comes to jazz.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:55 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
omfg
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
Hilarious.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
hee hee. it is funny, there's some interview with coltrane where he talks about how much he loved those sessions, he wished they could just keep going. maybe that was the closest to the sound in his head that he got?
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ShwGN6S9CCo/SxBKVIagJQI/AAAAAAAAAGw/Yq25_8gp4j4/s1600/cover.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/50FMzSN3HV4PI7ryK3lLQn
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
prob my fav trane, cuz i'm a sucka for trombone
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
I'll paypal 79 American cents to whoever sorts these results by label when it's all over.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
I think I heard A Love Supreme first but Blue Train was the one where I felt I really *got* it. just a beautiful record.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
blue train is a v diff record. i do love it though
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
difficult or different?
either way I'm not sure what you mean
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
well obviously it's really different from A Love Supreme if that's what yr getting at
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
No chanting for one thing
― Number None, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
a diff type of spiritual hat
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
we're getting beat guys http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/most-read-threads.jsp
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
Jackie McLean - Destination Out
Really enjoying this, Never listened to Jackie Mclean before.Same for the Lee Morgan.
― dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
not rlly spiritual hat, its pretty straight
agree about the trombone playing
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
beaten by a worthless clusterfuck
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
someone tipped the next album to be #1, but they were wrong
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
idk abt outsider jazz as a term, these ppl are all three steps removed from armstrong or basie after all
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
im not gonna lie, i've been reading that thread inbetween this one.
was that me? silent way rip?
whats the retarded clusterfuck aboot?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
about usage of one of those words you just used
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
though it was a good description of the clusterfuck
im just glad ilx didn't exist when joey was on blue peter
― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:21 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
cmon dude are you serious
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
yah
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
some of this stuff is like arguing that kool keith is one of the 90s most important rappers
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
playgrounds wouldn't have been a great place for ilxors :)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
"these people are all three steps removed from snoop!" -- doesnt make kool keith a less legit answer than biggie
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
sun ra played with fletcher henderson and coleman hawkins, sanders and alice played with coltrane
it's hardly songs in the key of z
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
jamming to all seeing eye for the millionth time and have to say that shorter should be seen as one of the true genius's of jazz w/ trane and mingus and etc.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 voteshttp://blowthescene.com/files/2010/09/headhunterCover.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5fmIolILp5NAtNYiRPjhzA
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
observing that there is a noticeable interest in weirdos / sci fi costuming / spiritual jazz, jazz harpists, jazz fusion, etc. at the expense of artists like say johnny griffin or clifford brown (beyond his one foray into the top 250) or idk any number of dudes this list skipped over -- granny dainger provided a pretty good list -- is a pretty reasonable observation
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so? paul desmond played w/ lots of dudes too & has no albums here
HEADUNTERS SUCKS SORRY Y'ALL
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
HEADHUNTERS ALSO SUCKS
Does that count as a hat?
― emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
winston you suck for saying that
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
It's something like my 10th favourite Herbie album. I even prefer some of his disco albums.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
yes but not a spiritual one.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
Good question, emil.y. I'm not sure.
lots of jazz artists played w/ lots of jazz artists. jaki byard played with mingus & he has no records here. milt jackson. anyone in MJQ. Oscar Peterson
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
dainger's list would be pretty short if u took the pre-45 peak artists out of it, as has been noted
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
im pretty damn sure the proposed pre-45 jazz tracks poll will take care of a lot of this (if someone runs it)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:27 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
like if u cant see how sun ra might be perceived as an outsider artist ... dude was clearly on his own planet when it came to presentation & music. I mean, do u really think ppl are voting for 10 of his records bcuz of his fletcher henderson bona fides
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
want me to list more?
I'm not a fan of Headhunters. I mentioned it in the Outloud room one night and it was universally agreed that this made me a bad person.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
its a HEAD not a hat.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
this countdown should really be done with a soundtrack playing in the http://outloud.fm/ILXORS
(come join)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
milt jackson.
wait Milt Jackson hasn't placed anything on here!? FUCK THIS SHIT
I am very partial to jazz vibraphone players fyi
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have a problem with classing Ra as an outsider - it's pretty clear that's what he was - but he was nonetheless rooted in the jazz tradition and I love love love so many of his records I feel like his showing here is about right, if maybe a little overstated
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
guess I should have voted for Very Tall. Or Bags & Trane. BAH
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
i think that if you did a similar poll in like 1980 Ra would be significantly decreased, that over time, stuff that varies more widely from the 'jazz mean' gets more attention
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe, but much of the Sun Ra that has been widely available since like the mid-to-early-90s was not widely available in 1980.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol i've been holding my tongue on making this exact comparison
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
observing that there is a noticeable interest in weirdos / sci fi costuming / spiritual jazz, jazz harpists, jazz fusion, etc. at the expense of artists like say johnny griffin or clifford brown
You keep making the same mistake, focusing on the extramusical and creating plain false dichotomies. Also, I love Clifford Brown but am not aware of any amazing album that he made as a solo artist. Maybe you should make your own list of 'proper' jazz instead of constantly offending the intellect of everyone involved with this.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
yeah def reissue culture gave his stature a huge boost xxp
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
(Wait that was supposed to be early-to-mid-90s, haha. Time warp.)
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1 http://img.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/16/b1/akagi0727/folder/591241/img_591241_42488764_0?1261893088http://open.spotify.com/album/731OW49heGHCMrMOREHYlY
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:44 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
actually im accusing others of focusing on the 'extramusical'
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
and yes clifford brown does have good solo records. a number of them
"Dinah Jams" is another record I would love to have seen
And if you have not heard Soul Station go buy it now
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this is where I call bullshit
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
in addition to reissue culture, non-jazz artists getting into Ra increased his stature, bcuz he was an iconoclast, which probably appeals once the jazz narrative has been largely reduced to the care of archivists & librarians
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
D-40, really? That's very interesting. How did you reach this conclusion?
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:46 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im not saying this records arent good, but there are certainly some uncritiqued biases going on in these results
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:47 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ive spent an entire thread explaining myself?
weirdos / sci fi costuming / spiritual jazz, jazz harpists, jazz fusion
like, there is actual music associated with this stuff. the sci-fi thing w/Sun Ra goes way deeper than costuming, as I'm sure you're aware. and I think you should take people at their word when they say they like a jazz harp record for the MUSIC on the record and not because of some hidden aesthetic agenda to specifically privelege harpists over saxophonists or something like that.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
You haven't, though. How did you reach the conclusion that people necessarily like Pharoah and Sun Ra and Alice because of their extramusical connotations? You're the one focusing on that.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
btw so far in the top 100 Sun Ra has a massive 2 entries.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
interesting that (along with ahmad jamal) there's no modern jazz quartet here, either (right?). from what i understand, they were one of the biggest acts of the time, but they're stature has gone down considerably. i suppose it's arguable that they were too straight ahead, not iconoclastic enough, no spiritual hats (though they did cover ornette!). great records however.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
I kind of hate the way the most interesting music seems to be discarded precisely for its quality of being interesting. It just sounds exactly the same to me as the anti-intellectual bullshit spouted on the 'overrated literary works' thread.
― emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
and stop ignoring hank mobley!
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:48 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
actually, you're the one who brought that up oh defensive one
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, September 2, 2011
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
it's impossible to untangle musical vs extramusical qualities w/r/t one's picks here. deej is right to point out that the list veers more towards weirdo spiritual hat jazz than a traditional best of jazz list does. don't know why everyone keeps acting like it doesn't, argues with him, rather than just owning your preferences and sensibilities.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
― emil.y, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:49 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is totally misunderstanding. the thing is that its NOT more interesting, or its more interesting only in the most superficial senses. i mean, are you arguing then that MJQ are ~not~ interesting bcuz they were 'straight ahead jazz' or that there might not be value in the variations present w/in jazz that doesnt go in for extravagant costuming, unusual instruments or, say, funky hard bop sound rather than a hyperspiritual vision quest
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:50 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
and in the 250 he has far more than his stature in the jazz world
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
I admit I don't remember anything about Soul Station atm :(
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
then go listen!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
would think that at some point you would stop appealing to the semi-mythical external "world" that always happens to validate your opinions
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
you do this a lot
sigh
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
har, tbh, find me two jazz critics in the jazz world who agree on anything ...
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
And here is a recap of 250-11 for those just catching up250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes
49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes 42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1 35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #131 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1 29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #128 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #126 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes
19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1 18 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's 17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1 16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
But you're not just denigrating these records for their spiritual hat-wearing. You're also saying that they shouldn't be here, or they should only be allowed token entries.
And yes, I'm familiar with enough of the 'spiritual hat' records to say that they are more interesting than the Modern Jazz Quartet, although I like the latter.
― emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
Granny Dainger, he wasn't merely "pointing it out," he was being condescending "LOL oh you ridiculous hipster plebes" about it.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
While failing to explain why his alternatives were somehow more valid.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
at this point I kind of hope deej has a jaymc-style spreadsheet of in-depth sociological statistical data regarding music consumption and critical consensus for every genre, cuz the degree of certainty with which he makes vast generalizations about various canons/listening audiences/record collector scum would suggest that he does
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011
contra shakey i think this is true, but railing against stuff that got six votes is eh
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
anyway my only point was that calling sanders alice coltrane and sun ra outsider jazz is a misrepresentation imo
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
pharoah and alice not so much, but Sun Ra...? come on now
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
his whole schtick was being an outsider! that's how he saw himself
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
well the term was being used to critique the whole poll so...
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
BUT PHAROAH AND ALICE WORE HATS
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
its perhaps an exaggeration but the gist of it is otm -- theres a specific bias towards a specific kind of jazz ... yall can talk about how much better jazz harpists are than mjq it doesnt make it fact
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (5 minutes ago) Permalink
And the thing is John Lewis did lots of cool 'out' experimentation mixing jazz and 20th century classical music. MJQ are certainly on the easier listening end but there are hints of that in their music too. I kind of wish I nominated some "third stream" stuff like John Lewis or George Russell -- it's really fucking cool stuff.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
yeah he was being condescending at first, but he's backtracked a lil and at this point seems to be willing to accept just an acknowledgment that this list skews towards spiritual hat
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
This automagically makes their music: less worthy than "straight jazz."
Also, harps clearly aren't musical instruments.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
not even really sure what "outsider jazz" would refer to -- like you said, sun ra played w/ fletcher henderson. alice coltrane learned from bud powell. pharoah sanders -- well, he came from an r&b background right? maybe that's outsider.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
can we have a spiritual hat subtotal, what are the real proportions here
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
its a critique observing how when a certain type dominates, other things are excluded. i didnt even try to claim which ones are 'more correct,' just observing the biases inherent in the results. observing an imbalance or preference in the voting pool doesnt mean that i think my favs are somehow more 'valid'
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
im sorry im makin you think about why you like stuff, though.
― tylerw, Friday, September 2, 2011 2:00 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how about, stuff that was going against the grain of jazz' narrative?
stuff that was unusual, or resisted the jazz mainstream?
im simply pointing out that contra emil.y that just because it did this doesnt make it superior
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
You love the attention, don't you? Sometimes I wonder about the penis size/trolling correlation.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
& yeah, hurting, the third stream stuff seems kind of forgotten to a certain extent -- too arty, too self-conscious seeming? i don't know. i do like a lot of the john lewis records i've heard w/ or w/o MJQ.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
going against the grain of jazz' narrativei dunno, by the time the late 60s rolled around, any "jazz narrative" had kinda gone out the window.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:02 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol ur the one making all the personal remarks. who's trolling here exactly
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
My take on Alice Coltrane: it's nice stuff but how many records of it do you need? Same with Sun Ra -- I just don't find as much to sink my teeth into as John Coltrane or Miles Davis.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
I think Alice is better than John.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
deej is pretty otm now. this list is in a way saying straight jazz or CTI-style smooth jazz isn't as remarkable as space hat weirdo jazz, and people are pretending that...i won't even call it a bias...preference doesn't exist.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Friday, September 2, 2011 3:02 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkAgain, I think partly a timing thing. John Lewis was experimenting with modern classical at a time when the dominant "experimental" thrust in jazz was to get away from European idioms and toward more "pure" African/African American idioms. Obivously there's a lot of politics wrapped up in this too. Even hard bop was partly about getting away from standards, moving toward a canon of compositions by black jazz musicians.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like more art blakey would be in my personal mindgarden list too
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^
there are pretty clear dominant trends in jazz from Louis Armstrong up through the early 60s - but after that it burst really wide. free jazz, soul jazz, fusion, etc. people sometimes privelege boundary-expanding periods like this, they're diversity and sense of experimentation is often a joy to behold. but by the late 60s I dunno if you could really say Alice or Pharoah or Herbie were going against the grain per se, they were very much a part of movements going on around them. Ra a little less so because he was such a contrarian and was "ahead of his time" in various ways, and never hewed strictly to prevailing norms (altho his nods to funk and disco in the 70s are hilarious and awesome)
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
theres some good hard bop here but not as much as you'd expect. how much jimmy smith made it too?
There's a lot to be said about the leanings of this list but, personally, there's not a single album I dislike on here so far (having heard ~90% of it.) I've never seen a top 100 or even top 50 list where that's the case.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
Same with Sun Ra -- I just don't find as much to sink my teeth into as John Coltrane or Miles Davis.
not really feeling you on this, all 3 have insanely diverse catalogs.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
xp to hurting yeah politics of the time played a big role i imagine -- taking what some were beginning to see as "black folk art" and trying to force it into bed with "modern classical" is going to ruffle some feathers. but aside from that, it's interesting music. love this, maybe even more than ornette's version!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OucWYBeBoo
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
Someone could throw in solitary confinement with all these records and I would die happy and spiritually fulfilled.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, s.morris, exactly. You could pick any of these albums so far at random and it's likely they'll range from good to transcendent.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
HATS notwithstanding.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
I would wear all those hats tbh.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
Me too. Now let's just sit back and wait for more insightful ~~~~ observations ~~~~
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
do you guys like this hat y/nhttp://rlv.zcache.com/jazz_piano_hat-p148055578880129932qz14_400.jpg
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
your 'i would snuggle up with all these albums in an a-bomb shelter forever!!' comments def qualify as 'insightful'
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
the dick-size jokes too
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
~deep thoughts~
pretty sure I said that, deej, not Turangalila. You're raging.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
How many jazz harp albums are in this list so far? It doesn't seem to me that it's dominating
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
ws lumping folks togetheri have no problem, on an individual basis, w/ any of the albums in this list
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:08 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah I've heard the variety. Some Sun Ra is great, but overall I find the arkestra very clunky and clumsy and not very hard-swinging (in the broadest sense). I like the solo keyboard stuff on Solar Myth Approach a lot.
Does Alice Coltrane have any variety though? Everything I hear sounds pretty samey to me.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
yall can talk about how much better jazz harpists are than mjq it doesnt make it fact
― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 7:59 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
And you can say the opposite and it doesn't make it fact either. How exciting for us all.
― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 8:01 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I think the problem is that you veer between the two. Sometimes it is just an analysis - though I will say that from what I know of this list the 'dominating type' is at least partially constructed by the fact that we're talking about it the most, and then when something pops up that fits everybody points at it and goes 'look look we were right' - but at other times you've definitely gone on the attack about it.
For the record I am not pissed off about your contributions to this thread at all, but that doesn't mean I'm going to think you're right.
― emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
I make no claims towards insightfulness, that's why I've been a lurker for 8 years. I was just sayin' is all y'know.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
Sometimes, plebes like us just like expressing enthusiasm for music and don't feel the need to prove some sociological point. That's what normal, irl, non-Aspies do on a day to day basis.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
I guess Sun Ra and Alice Coltrane for me are a little like the jazz equivalent of backpacker rap -- like a lot of it is really good, but if you're like "THIS is the real shit, not that boring mainstream jazz" then I find you very suspect.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
I only have three of her albums - Ptah, UC, and JIC - and they vary slightly (strings! oud!) in approach but in general no her catalog doesn't strike me as broad. love it tho.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
Does Alice Coltrane have any variety though?pretty big differences between the harp stuff, the orchestral stuff, the piano stuff, the organ stuff?
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
beyond a pretty basic 'insight' that i feel like ive reiterated enough upon provocation here, i dont think ive been implying that ive got some incrediblly insightful approach to jazz or something -- if anything, this list is making me want to go back & relisten to a bunch of stuff & see how my opinions have changed over the years -- but i only brought up a lack of insight in response to the accusation from someone who was basically resorting to personal attacks so w/e
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
THIS is the real shit, not that boring mainstream jazz"
don't think anybody is saying this really. except for maybe when turangalila said she liked Alice more than John.
Yeah it was pretty much directed at him Shakey.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
And I wasn't saying that, either. I adore John. I just prefer Alice's aesthetic.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
That's what normal, irl, non-Aspies do on a day to day basis.
Yeah, but they also don't run top 250 album count-downs.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
or her (xpost)
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
guys im enjoying the debate/arguing it's fun so please continue but please quit the personal attacks, k?
now the TOP TEN
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #1 http://www.eximagen.es/image.php?id=5092_4B292F53http://open.spotify.com/album/2mqMMupKZi5wBf7bXiqDR5
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how does your pt about how i probably dont like jazz harpists because they have vaginas fit into the aspie -> plebe spectrum
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
That's what normal, irl, non-Aspies do on a day to day basis.Yeah, but they also don't run top 250 album count-downs.― _Rudipherous_,
― _Rudipherous_,
and my 2nd previous post especially goes for you
I haven't listened to Alice Coltrane in that much depth (though I think I've heard most of her albums at least a couple times, some much more than that) but I divide her work between accessible/semi-mellow-spiritual and apocalyptic freakout.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
WHY?
This is what I have never understood. WHY WHY WHY? What the fuck grounds do you have for saying this shit? So if someone likes 'record collector' or 'nerdy' stuff more than mainstream stuff they are immediately looked at with scorn? WTF? It's one thing to say that it is a good thing to have a handle on the history of genre, another to say that you are "suspect" (FFS) for preferring a certain style.
― emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I hold my hands up. I'm a record collector. And I'm a nerd. So fucking sue me.
― emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
D-40, Oh, because I do genuinely feel if Alice had a penis people wouldn't give her shit. Brilliant John, lesser Alice. But I don't want to derail this thread any more. Go on.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
"heretic I cast thee out" etc
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
That was not a personal attack! I think the point is just the often-stated one that ILM is inherently a bit of an "aspie" place to begin with and anyone posting on this thread is probably implicated in that.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
what do u think of mary lou williams
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, because I do genuinely feel if Alice had a penis people wouldn't give her shit.
John Coltrane coming out as gay def would have been interesting in the jazz world
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
imo shes >>> alice coltrane but xp
never heard that herbie. is it more em isles or more hh fusion? it is placed firmly in the middle of 'herbie i love' and 'rmde'
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
― emil.y, Friday, September 2, 2011 2:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I hold my hands up. I'm a record collector. And I'm a nerd. So fucking sue me
yes OWN THAT SHIT
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi
XP thanks sam!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
IDK, I've just never met anyone who actually had a very good handle on jazz and preferred sun ra to other jazz. Also especially with Sun Ra so much of the enjoyment is about the total package of his narrative, persona, costumes, craziness etc. and all that stuff just seems like it doesn't have much to do with the music being jazz, which is why I couldn't help but be a little rankled if Sun Ra topped a jazz poll. All that stuff is great, but to me it's more like performance art or something.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
Probably goes back to discourse elevating penis size speculation.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
I think the real issue is why isn't there any Hampton Hawes on this list.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
With the formation of his great electric sextet, Herbie Hancock's music took off into outer and inner space, starting with the landmark Mwandishi album recorded in a single session on New Year's Eve. Ever the gadgeteer, Herbie plays with electronic effects devices -- reverb units, stereo tremelo, and Echoplex -- which all lead his music into spacier, open-ended directions very much influenced by Miles Davis' electric experiments, rendering it from post-bop conventions. There are just three tracks: the insistent 15/4-meter Afro-electric-funk workout "Ostinato (Suite for Angela)," the inquisitive "You'll Know When You Get There" with its ethereal Hancock voicings, and trombonist Julian Priester's "Silent Way"-influenced "Wandering Spirit Song," which eventually dips into tumultuous free form. Eddie Henderson emerges as a major trumpet soloist here, probing, jabbing, soliloquizing; Bennie Maupin comes over from Lee Morgan's group to add his ominous bass clarinet and thoughtful alto flute; and Buster Williams' bass and Billy Hart's flexible drums propel the rhythm section. Santana's José Chepitó Areas and Leon "Ndugu" Chancler also add funky percussive reinforcement to "Ostinato," along with guitarist Ron Montrose. The group's collective empathy is remarkable, and Hancock had only begun to probe the outer limits with this extraordinary music.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
Also especially with Sun Ra so much of the enjoyment is about the total package of his narrative, persona, costumes, craziness etc. and all that stuff just seems like it doesn't have much to do with the music being jazz, which is why I couldn't help but be a little rankled if Sun Ra topped a jazz poll. All that stuff is great, but to me it's more like performance art or something.
this is pretty disingenuous - all music is performance art and comes with a complete package. Ra's is just shinier and stranger than most.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
mary lou williams is so dope. going to use this as an excuse to post a link to her wikipedia page lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Lou_Williams
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
dave douglas also did an awes album tribute to her back in the late 90s i think called 'soul on soul'
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:25 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
THIS is pretty disingenuous.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Also, I never said D-40 didn't like harp because of that. I meant that that sort of thing would probably be more accepted if it had been done by guys. If Charlie Parker had fucked with the harp like Alice did, we wouldn't hear the end of how brilliant and unparalleled that was.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Does Shelly Manne even drum on any of these albums? This list is racist.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
charlie parker is easily one of the two or three most influential jazz artists in history. saying alice coltrane is on that level is p nuts imo
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
i have to be honest, i bought 'shelly manne and his men at the manhole' purely bcuz of the title
how so? pretending like a guy wearing a stylish suit and presenting an air of sophisticated upper-class black aesthete is somehow less of a performance than a guy wearing a hat from Egypt is total bullshit. they're both performances.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
shelly manne plays on way out west
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw i dont think hurting or myself are claiming not to be nerds
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
Playing an unusual instrument in jazz isn't usually considered "brilliant" or "unparallelled." There are all kinds of forgotten records of jazz banjo, jazz accordion, jazz bagpipes, etc.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
I mean even by men.
good catch, tylerw. x-post
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
this thread is getting "retarded"
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye West 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remi (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
IDK, I've just never met anyone who actually had a very good handle on jazz and preferred sun ra to other jazz. Also especially with Sun Ra so much of the enjoyment is about the total package of his narrative, persona, costumes, craziness etc. and all that stuff just seems like it doesn't have much to do with the music being jazz, which is why I couldn't help but be a little rankled if Sun Ra topped a jazz poll.
I don't have a good handle on jazz and I love Sun Ra more than anyone else in jazz (so there you go), but I think you gloss over another possibility which is that there is something else that he is doing musically (at least a lot of the time) that is what someone like me might like about him. If anything, I find myself wishing I could filter out more and more of the packaging. It may not be about the music being jazz, but it is about the music (for me). The fire-eaters are nice though.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's fair to say that Alice both benefited from and suffered from being in John's shadow. otoh being his widow gave her unprecedented and highly unusual exposure in the jazz world, but it also allowed people to just dismiss her as his crazy wife etc
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
so none of y'all fuck with "Thrust" huh
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
Hurting 2, oh, totally. I just think what Alice did is genuinely as great as what a lot of her male contemporaries were doing.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
She's also sampled like crazy. I'd say if anything time has been pretty fair to AC.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, some of u probably dont like how ive approached this argument in this thread which, ok, sorry, but i also just get the distinct sense that some ppl think we shouldnt even be having this discussion which, well, i just disagree.
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
I fucks with Thrust, really fun record
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
i do
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
xpost I love Thrust. Fucking Mike Clark. It's a total instrumentalist geek album though.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
threads winning now hahahttp://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/most-read-threads.jsp
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
hats be working
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
Hm. I could sort of see this. A lot of the stuff I like walks on the boundaries of genre (not necessarily in jazz, and this is a bit of a generalisation, but it'll work in this context). However, I think you're doing down Ra - the music really is the main thing, and it very clearly belongs to the jazz world.
― emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
like the story in Thrust's liner notes of how, upon seeing Mike Clark enter the club or whatever venue, other drummers would flip the "Palm Grease" beat as a tip of the cap. /drum dork
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
i think part of my resistance w/ Ra too is that like when i was learning abt jazz i was the only person i knew who really fucked w/ his stuff really heavy, & i kind of liked that about it? that he was a weird, outside artist for ppl who identified w/ weird, outside artists. but seeing him shifted to the center of the canon is just weird
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Does Shelly Manne even drum on any of these albums?
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
9 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/__sQ6AlsR3DY/S7aCJ0lSWEI/AAAAAAAAAbk/2a7Dl-aeo-8/s1600/kind+of+blue.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/42ge6JtPfeF6FEYXCJ50Gu
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
wow low
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
kerr spoilering the thread by adding albums to the Spotify list first, btw
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
Never heard of that one.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
ruined by coffee shops imo
― anorange (abanana), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 3:01 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark
That's simply incorrect. In the 60s, the new music ("free jazz," "the new thing," "the avant-garde," etc.) was seen -- by both its adherents and detractors -- as the next step in the development of the music. It was not on the sidelines, not a tangent, not an offshoot; it was, in terms of musicians coming to terms with certain things and developing those things, what bebop had been in the 40s/50s. It also, like no previous movement in the music, harkened back to the earliest days of collective improvisation in the music.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
nothing could ruin that record
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
wm, i add it like the second before posting! but i did wonder when someone would notice!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
eh, KOB is still great, even if it's *the* token jazz album.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:37 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
we're not talking about the same records
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
Clint Eastwood's favorite record iirc
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
mainly because when i posted to ilx first i kept forgetting to add to spotify and had to go back and jig thinga round.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:37 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
realest talk
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
xp Applies to Sun Ra, though.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
was my 1st jazz album (picked up after listening to a friend play coltrane on a road trip...i was so clueless about jazz, i'd heard the name john coltrane but assumed he was from the 30s or something. even after hearing the music. don't know what trane it was)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
You added Mwandishi 3 minutes early -- I thought about spoilering it here but am too nice a guy.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
kind of blue v low wow
can understand a "not kind of blue again" compulsion tbh
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011
this was an underrated post btw
WmC: pollice
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
You never did get a chance to do that shop, did you, WmC?
For those interested in contemporary jazz harp, the player whose name comes up a lot these days is a (non-curvy) Colombian named Edmar Castañeda.
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
tbh i dont think anything that makes the top 10 can be seen as low, if it still beats ALS. Guessing it'll be Karma v. Black Saint v. Silent Way for #1
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
not a single #1 vote for KoB!
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 2:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of course you can u get to disagree w me again lol
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
(sorry about shelly manne xpost)
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
'black saint' is still my pick for overrated mingus record. its good but def not my favorite
was there ever a kind of blue vs a love supreme poll on ilm?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
lol deej i didn't say justify tho!
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
That one pic of Hoos didn't lend itself to shopping into the cover, and just changing the text to KIND OF HOOS didn't seem worth it. #riderdemandsnogreenm&ms
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have a good handle on jazz and I love Sun Ra more than anyone else in jazz
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
ah um > black saint
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
i listen more to mingusx5 than either these days tho
has mingusx5 charted? dont remember seeing it.
really worried bout Real McCoy making it.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
yes it did
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
yep it charted. it's gr8 too of course
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1 http://dreamchimney.com/slvs/Sextant_20081207123524.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0J6PpQHDOcr54tXvh1MMCr
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
I love The Real McCoy, but is it really that much better that his other stuff as a leader?
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
^^^not horrible.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
ok but then where is the rest of his stuff on this list?
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
I enjoy black saint when i'm listening to it but never find myself sitting around with it stuck in my head or having an urge to listen to it (or part of it) like i do w/other mingus.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
Expansions, weren't it? xp
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
oh wait i forgot hornets, which is zzzzzzzzz.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
know what, for the record i'm not even an official "record collector." i'm just a spiritual hat wearing nerd/plebe who likes stuff. next time someone asks what i like, i will just point angrily at the hat.
top 10 kinda surprising in order tbh!
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
billy hart on sextant is just insane
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
weirdo shit!xp re: sextant
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
is that good or bad? People claiming stuff is 'too low' vs 'yawn boring canon picks fuck you ilm'?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
my comments re: black saint also apply to Sextant. interesting listen, but rarely have an urge to hear it. it's like a movie with a plot twist, once I've heard it I don't really need to hear it again really even though I liked it a lot.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
In every ilx thread ever:A: You're a poser and your tastes clearly demonstrate that.B: No, I'm not. Prove it. I like what I like because I like it and I like it a lot, I really, really like it.A: I can't prove it, some people I once knew could have proved it but they washed away in the flood
Rinse and repeat.
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
"I enjoy black saint when i'm listening to it but never find myself sitting around with it stuck in my head or having an urge to listen to it (or part of it) like i do w/other mingus."
black saint gets stuck in my head like no other jazz.
― charlie h, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
listening to black saint now, it's awesome, need to spend more time with it again
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
i prefer the earlier mwandishi recs to sextant. very fun listen, though. herbie has to be one of the most consistently great artists of the last 50 years. even with some of the questionable things he's done in the last two decades or so.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
would also like to point out that the entire mosaic ahmad jamal argo trio sessions (nine discs) box is on spotify! LISTENNNN.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
is there a free option for Spotify in US yet?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
7 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1 http://blog-imgs-21.fc2.com/d/o/c/dochizame/sAscension.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6PTuYbT38J0UvZINkJu8W8
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
is there a free option for Spotify in US yet?yeah, just in the last month or so. i'm in the US.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
oh this beat one of his lesser records, all's well
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
sweet.flamenco guitar in black saint! why don't i remember this
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
next time someone asks what i like, i will just point angrily at the hat.
I've been thinking more about Hurting saying he doesn't know anyone who is seriously into jazz who rates Ra over other stuff. And the conclusion I have come to is that if true, it actually isn't that surprising. It's nothing to do with Ra not being as good as other jazz folk. It's more to do with 'someone who is seriously into jazz' probably approaching it from a more canonical viewpoint, liking the traditions and tropes at the heart of it, and rejecting other genres for not living up to those things that make jazz *special*. And people who come in to jazz through Ra being more interested in the stuff that plays with those traditions and tropes, and so perhaps not becoming so devoted to a single genre as to live up to the title 'person who is seriously into jazz'. Neither of these things means that Ra is less good, less worthy, or even less jazz than anyone else. Nor does it mean that the second person is "not hep to the real jazz" or whatever Hurting or deej are trying to imply.
― emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
flamenco guitar in black saint! why don't i remember this
Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
Ascension really is one of the great pieces of culture, like the Normans had tapestrys and we had Ascension
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
emil.y otm
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
seconded
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
On favorite Mingus albums, it is so hard to choose as every one seems to have several or more incredible best of all time tracks Ah Um for "Goodbye Porkpye hat" The Clown for "Hatian Fight song" and Reincarnation of a Love Bird" Oh Yeah for Atomic Bomb etc etc. also I love and reccomend two albums that weren't nommed "East Coasting" and "Mingus at the Bohemia" (w Max Roach).
― dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
!!
this is the second piece of unexpected rock trivia to appear on this thread (the other one being Lloyd's connection to the Beach Boys/Mike Love)
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, September 2, 2011
wow @ this!
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
he played w/fletcher henderson and jelly roll morton iirc
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah MIngus at the Bohemia has some great stuff. there's another Mingus/Roach record too that's great, with them doing gershwin's "foggy day" that I love. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpZcEydEt7Qbut i agree, i find it hard to choose a single mingus record -- the 50s ones at least blend into one big delicious mingus omelette.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
also connie kaye (MJQ) plays on astral weeks.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
Speaking of Foggy Day - I adore those early Sun Ra singles that are all gorgeous vocal harmonies (The Nu-Sounds, etc).
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, September 2, 2011
whut
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
'tonight at noon' by mingus is one of my favs
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
xp Wow, don't know that one, and i absolutely love Mingus at the Bohemia. Tonight at noon is great, I think for some reason it has been split in half and tacked onto the end of The Clown and Oh Yeah on the reissues of those i have (also on Spottify)
― dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
― emil.y, Friday, September 2, 2011 3:03 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
well, it kind of does mean you're not hep to real jazz actually? even how you just articulated it
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
or it means youre hep to a specific stream of jazz which is rlly what we've been saying but w/e
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah charles mingus quartet + max roach is killer, very cool sound overall. nothing else sounds like mingus, does it? maybe some of ellington's more cinematic pieces.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
~~~~ Real Jazz ~~~~
Keep the essentialism coming, it's entertaining.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
unlike you
What is the essence of Real Jazz, D-40?
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
(xp)Lots of jazz cats on Astral Weeks. (Jordan's teacher) Richard Davis on bass!
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:16 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
mystical hats obv
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
Davis has an insanely broad range of folks he's worked with: Van Morrison, Andrew Hill, Albert Ayler, Springsteen, and supposedly the trio of him, Lowell Davidson and Milford Graves was a monster live.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
this is a cool list but gotta point out that these people aren't represented at all...2 of the greatest tenor saxes, arguably the greatest jazz vocalist, 2 of the greatest pianists, 2 of the greastest drummers, arguably the greatest guitarist, one of the greatest bandleaders, arguably the most iconic jazz artist ever.and as i've said i'd rep for a post 45 album for each of them above, well honestly anything from, say, sun ra.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
Too much fake jazz imo.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
u sound butthurt
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
arguably the greatest jazz vocalist... arguably the greatest guitarist
pretty sure I know who yr referring to re/the latter (Django) and I agree. I have my guesses about the former but in general the lack of vocal jazz on here is lame. the only thing that even comes close is A New Perspective.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
as far as the stuff that was included, i still cant believe how low 'live at birdland' was. no record w/ 'afro blue' & 'alabama' on it should be that low
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
Billie Holiday, Shakey
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
It's just hilarious, genuinely. This is akin to someone claiming people who like, idk, Messiaen more than Couperin don't like Real Classical Music and that there's something inherently flawed in their judgment and approach. What are the characteristics of Real Jazz, D-40? Definitely harps can't be a part of any Real Jazz performance, you've made that point clear. But what IS real jazz? Enlighten me.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
Songs For Distingue Lovers...check that shit out y'all
6 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pbqRGfiCuGk/TPpCwCbijkI/AAAAAAAAAoM/vrGkcYHH6Mw/s1600/sc0007c165.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/04sSPjO9MQFQ6fG4lpBI3G
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of essential vocalists, zero lambert, hendricks & ross
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
whoa. some how something at #6 can seem TOO LOW.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
all of the shit we're naming that you didn't vote for is some of the 'real jazz' that you might want to check out instead of trying to tell us we're being purist fascists or whatever
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
How can you be sure I wouldn't have voted for it, didn't vote for some of it?
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
like i thought that was top 3 at worst.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
ilm doesnt like spiritual jazz
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
sanders in that cover photo is like: "ommmmm in 30 years i'm going to make mad ebay $$$ from spiritual hat dbagssssss ommmmmmm"
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/OutTherewithBettyCarter.jpg/220px-OutTherewithBettyCarter.jpg
no love? she has a rocket! :(
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
is someone like Jimmie Rushing considered a jazz vocalist? yes cause he was with Basie, right?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
HAHAHA
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
Karma really is about as perfect a piece of music can be. I think if someone asked me about jazz it would be the record I'd tell them to listen to, to hear the genuine possibilities people can create way and above what we recognise as music
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13L6sjk080c pt 2 and 3 also on youtube, as its not on spotify.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
for all u spiritual hat folks, this record is so awesome & up your alley -- its 'weird' & interesting & imo awesome, didnt make the list tho :(
http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/l/e/lestp/bluecamel.jpg
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
Real Jazz, guys = all of the shit we're naming that you didn't vote for
(he's somehow accessed my ballot & nominations)
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
D-40 and granny dainger which of those albums that you say arent in the poll ones that you voted for?
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
i didnt turn in a ballot
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
deej none of those names ring familiar to me and it doesnt have a wiki page - wanna go into more detail?
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.gmkfreelogos.com/logos/R/img/Real_Jazz.gif
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Vocal jazz is always overlooked in lists like that. Nina Simone showing up doesn't surprise me but I was a little shocked to see Sarah Vaughn make the list (much as I love that album.) That Sarah Vaughn album is killer but I slightly prefer Clifford Brown's album with Helen Merrill. It's probably down to the fact that vocal jazz is more about ~great songs~ than the album qua album. Is this an insightful comment? I don't even know what up looks like anymore.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
rabih abou-khalil is a lebanese oud player. allmusic has a good reviewhttp://www.allmusic.com/album/blue-camel-r160732/review
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
everyone please quit the trolling and talk about the albums
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/17591/Jazz_jpg_445x1000_upscale_q85.jpg
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
didn't vote, that whole process of nominating then voting isn't my thing. but i'm glad others do! and i don't really have beef w/the list, just think these people deserve some love, respect, and/or attention.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:35 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think 'dinah jams' is a crazy great record & also includes clifford brown -- ive got you under my skin version is amazing (max roach + brown, maynard furgeson & clark terry in a trumpet battle!!)
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
going to work, hope there isnt a clusterfuck in my bookmarks tomorrow morning when i'm trying to see the winner.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
Clifford Brown is serious. That whole Mosaic box is killer and it's a mind-boggling "what if?" to think about him living past the age of 25.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
other artists that didnt make the list that have been on my mind ... woody shaw, jon faddis (of course im naming trumpet players), abdullah ibrahim ... stan kenton was another good one GD mentioned
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://img2.wantitall.co.za/images/ShowImage.aspx?ImageId=My-Lucky-JAZZ-MUSICIAN-Troll-Doll-w-Trumpet-Electric-Hair|41Pv8iW7uEL.jpg
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 voteshttp://img9.9sky.com/picture/cpfm/_V2/4/47987/47987_a.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/2iPH3iUmpa9ufIpwY76keF
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
(That was in response to: everyone please quit the trolling and talk about the albums.)
okay that is too high
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
yeah clifford brown could still be alive today, which is nuts. he was apparently a clean living kind of guy. no idea what musical route he would've taken though.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
Haha Rudipherous you're impossible today. But so am I.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
Troll = official ILM cosmic jazz hat mascot
― Moodles, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:43 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
otm imo
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
sidebar: my uncle's father-in-law is a Stan Kenton devotee to this day, is super enthusiastic about jazz even in his 80s, still goes out to see live jazz regularly. is always like "oh this record is AWESOME here TAKE IT! i've listened to it 100 times, got it memorized, OH if you like that then you GOTTA hear THIS" *scurries away to go pluck out another gem. his knowledge stops at like 1958 but so cool to talk to him about the music he's passionate about
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
Shape of Jazz to Come (and most of the other Atlantic recordings) are among my all time favorites, so I'm ok with 5th place
― Moodles, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
No Julius Hemphill, no Gene Ammons, no Bill Dixon, no Tony Oxley, no Lennie Tristano :(
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
Pharoah Sanders on the other hand, as much as I love him, is probably too high on this list.
Hey, I'm still holding out for Dixon's Intents & Purposes placing in the top 4!
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
Dogon A.D. is definitely an oversight.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
no Gene Ammons,
was wondering about this myself
this top 10 ordering is pretty bonkers imho
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
i voted for shape of jazz -- if i'm gona vote for one ornette, it's gonna be that one.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
I'm more of a Coon Bid'ness guy, but any Hemphill would have been welcome.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
i like gene ammons but sadly lots of things are gonna miss out in a poll. but maybe if some more of you guys complaining voted it would be different
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
(not having a go at anyone who didn't, you have your reasons)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
maybe if you guys who voted listened to REAL JAZZ
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
winky face obv
can we post our ballots yet?
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
the jazz contingent on ilm is tiny. half of the jazz d-bags posters didn't vote/nominate so im amazed and well chuffed we got 39 voters (thanks to you all). But we got a great list of 250 awesome records and full results will be posted at the end so you can still check out some great albums that missed the top 250
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
~can u feel it~
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder what it would have taken for this to be a 'bad list'
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
hah, no william. Do you guys want a separate post yr ballots thread? if so i'll start one when it's time
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
deej do you think this is really a bad list??
no. the backpatting abt how good it was seemed a bit silly tho
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
well it has a 250 of great albums. That people will check out if they haven't already I'd consider that good.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 voteshttp://alifewellwasted.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Eric_Dolphy-Out_To_Lunch-Frontal.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/3PIVqZzL1PnrxFZDzuT1aX
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
Beautiful album.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
Poll #4 = my #4
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
kind of prefer other dolphy albums to it, though. it's fab, but i reach for the five spot albums more.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
Of all the places to complain about the obscurity impulses of ILX you're really going to take this thread up as your cause, deej? You're posting on a message board that was spawned from a Belle & Sebastian listserv.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
I mean of all the polls ILX has done in the 8 years I've been lurking this is the first one where I was like "yeah, that's cool."
tylerw, totally. Vol I of Live at the Five Spot is :O
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
Love that Dolphy record so much. As much as I dig his other records, the closest thing I can think of that approaches it in terms of arrangements/compositional sensibility is Tony Williams' hella underrated Spring and Life Time.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
3 Kenny G - Classics In The Key of Deej (1999) 33333333 Points, 333 votes, 303 #1'shttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gs5wUdnaTAI/TcQG3i4WWCI/AAAAAAAAAh8/YQmyn47vUJI/s1600/Frontal.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1wLXshc2igqrn9dvE64Ko8
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
*tumbleweed*
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1'shttp://minoltamania.com/John%20Coltrane_Giant%20Steps.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7cZ6oBx0SEUPDAoxJtxNDh
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
nice
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
hope no-one is going to shout too high
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
well i wouldn't shout in the office w/all these people around, no
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
Good to see Tommy Flanagan make it
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
I wish Beyond the Bluebird had made it.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
Well, if I'd voted -- and I wouldn't have, because I don't feel qualified -- 5, 4, and 3 would all have been on my ballot. I still think "Shape of Jazz" is extraordinary. Yeah, historical significance and all, but if you just gave it to me on a cassette marked "Awesome Music" I think it would still be pretty mind-blowing.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
given all the complaining about ALS upthread that it got beat by Blue Train, Ascension, and Giant Steps - modal, free, and bebop beating the spiritual hats lol
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
tipsy otm
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
Blue Train, Ascension, and Giant Stepsgoes to show that coltrane has a pretty deep catalog -- i didn't vote for any of these.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
Want #2 on it's own or #2 & #1 together?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 4:29 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
victory
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
ilx agrees with me :p
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
You're free to masturbate.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqwxr1n9Mj1qz96eoo1_400.jpg
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
#2 usually does come with #1 ime
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
you love free jazz?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 4:38 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
whats w your genitalia obsession itt
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
It's a perfect analogy for your dick-wagging.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
beyond parody
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
iirc im talkin about jazz youre the one bringing up dicks & vajajays
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
vajayjazz
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
guys go put on some grant green and ~vibe
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
be sure to use spiritual jimmy hats
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
You're not even talking about jazz is the problem. You're talking about how you have a bigger jazz dick than any of the voters and implying only you have some private knowledge as to what constitutes Real Jazz. I had never understood why literally everyone on ILX hated you, but it's clear that it's because you claim expertise on everything and everyone and would like to think your opinions have more actual value than they do.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha he hasn't really said anything for a while
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 4:40 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how so
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 4:45 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is not at all what ive done but u need to get off my (ready?) dick
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
because you were railing against the poll pointlessly, and because u treated ALS as a terrible record, and backed yourself up by referencing non-existent literature. nobody rode for ALS as better than blue train or giant steps iirc.
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
because u treated ALS as a terrible record
he didn't say this tho
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
This is actually kind exciting... I know what one of the top two albums will be, but not the another one. I guess they can't both be Miles albums, all the other canonical one have already placed, right?
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
i never treated als as a terrible record, i said it was overrated by outsiders & that w/in the canon its treated as one of several great records, rarely considered his finest moment, and there is 'existing literature' its just not linked on the wikipedia page that you were referencing
i was arguin w/ people in the thread who specifically said that no, ALS was the best one & that was a universally agreed upon position. obv this wasnt something all 39 ppl agreed with but the ppl arguing w/ me did
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
read the thread
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yah I'm at a loss as to what the other album would be!
Also, I don't get why this countdown needed to be Deej Against the World, but whatever. At least the debate got a handful of interesting comments out of people.
(xxx-post)
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
mingus?
― anorange (abanana), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
oh obv lol
i hope miles wins
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway, can we please focus on the albums in the top 10 and not some debate that's been repeated for the last 500 posts?
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
so no Charlie Parker!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
there is 'existing literature' its just not linked on the wikipedia page that you were referencing <--what? not me bruv. this is pathetic.
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
no, ALS was the best one & that was a universally agreed upon position
nobody said this either btw
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not that knowledgeable on Mingus, but I wouldn't think anything else by him would place higher than Ah Um?
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
Deej why are you being a dick to armand who has been restrained and polite with the constant snark against the poll hes put a lot of effort into? I admit i never liked him in the past due to my prejudices against metal ( the polls hes run in the past) but this has been one of the most enlightening and enjoyable polls on ilx. Makes a change from pop indie and other rock.
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
sorry i didn't vote in this, glad to see Gracham got in via Jackie McLean. also would have given a write-in/throwaway to the 61 Village Vanguard recordings.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
Kerr, can we get the results soon? I need to be going to sleep, and I'd still love to see #2 and #1 before that.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, September 2, 2011 4:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i didnt think i was fwiw
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
you said no argument could be made for ALS as his best - that argument has been made, by lots of people (I cited a couple). But no one on this thread specifically argued ALS was his best (including me, as I was careful to note).
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
fun with semantics part 7,698
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
there's an album of his we were just talking about upthread that hasn't placed yet...
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xcz8yyxpZ1U/TW7s160nttI/AAAAAAAACHA/T9k3SS6qdk4/s1600/%255BAllCDCovers%255D_charles_mingus_the_black_saint_the_sinner_lady_1995_retail_cd-front.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5K3hgJYRyL5H40e9a1940R
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969) 3379 Points, 23 votes, 3 #1'shttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EfH7QQM5cK8/TEfWlq8gT0I/AAAAAAAAF88/s1YO4wPU2Zo/s1600/%5BAllCDCovers%5D_miles_davis_in_a_silent_way_1969_retail_cd-front.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/0Hs3BomCdwIWRhgT57x22T
or complete sessions http://open.spotify.com/album/0dMjCMzi6WxDi4HGdb1trC
:D
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what post was this? im just trying to find the context in which i said 'no argument could be made'
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks for doing this, Armand. Fabulous list.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
yay! my no1!
― dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
i was listening to IASW on repeat when i fell asleep on Sept. 10th 2001. Had really strange unpleasant dreams all night where i was just floating in a heavy fog. My roommate woke me up in the morning and I felt really ugly before he told me what happened. Have only listened to the album sparingly in the decade since, despite how it captures the late hours better than any music i've ever heard.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
yes thanks so much!
Thanks for doing this poll. Very entertaining and enlightening.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
agreed w/ thanks for doing this, v interesting list *strokes non-beard*
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, thanks! good times, spotify playlist is a thing of beauty.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
Yes! We <3 you, K3rr Bear
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
Can't say I'm disappointed with #1, it's my favourite Miles album. Though I guess astral hat jazz wins trad jazz in the end, IaSW is more like ambient than "proper" jazz to me, despite the awesome solos.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
so I don't follow music crit much, but when I was getting into miles ('96-'97) In a Silent Way was glossed over, I almost never saw it mentioned. If it was, it was as the precursor (along w/Jack Johnson) of Bitches Brew. Has its status been elevated amongst the masses since?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
glad that a pretty record won!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
I approve of this #1 -- IASW was in my top 5. Thanks for your work, Mr. Ratfucker, good poll action. Thanks also to seandalai for numbercrunching.
Granny, it always had a strong and steady following, and BB and JJ opinions seems to wax and wane. IASW is forever.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
― D-40, Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
shakey this was my orig. argument. i never said NO CASE COULD BE MADE that it was his best, i was talking about perception of conflicting canons
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
Top 250 Albums (where available) Spotify playlist Please subscribe and enjoy!
A pleasure running this poll, Lots of great albums and will post the full list shortly so you can see what missed out (that shocked me)
But please, seandalai did all the hard work with the tabulation, stuff I cant do, so please direct all your thanks to him. And a BIG THANKS to all who voted and joined in the discussion. Hope you all discover some really great albums from the poll.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
I may have said something along those lines as far as my personal take on the record, i.e. 'as far as im concerned there isnt a case to be made for it being...' etc. although on a quick skim thru the thread i didnt see it. but i dont think that's contradicting my argument abt perceptions of the canon overall
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
The post IaSW electric Miles I've listened to, they haven't just made half as big an impression to me as this one, because with the latter stuff it feels like he's just incorporating rock and funk into his music, whereas with this one he's doing something no one (that I know) had been doing before, or since.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
Only one track on Black Saint & the Sinner Lady is available on Spotify Free -- is the whole album available to paying customers?
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
im w/ granny dainger in my perception of that miles vs the rest of his output ... i do like it, think its a pretty great record but I prefer both kind of blue/milestones & miles smiles/esp eras personally
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
Will post the recap meanwhile for tuomas and other folks who just joined
Recap 250-1
10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #1 9 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1 7 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1 6 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes 5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1
1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969) 3379 Points, 23 votes, 3 #1's
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
also: love supreme is like bottom hundred in quality imo, not even top 5 coltrane
you totally went after this record ("smh@vocal mantras"), disparaging its presumed placement BEFORE IT HAD EVEN PLACED, and before anyone had said anything about it.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
im curious where the groundswell critically came for 'black saint' -- was there a particular critic who championed it? I know it was on some pfork list awhile back
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
one more time for reading comprehension, this is what I originally took issue with:kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:12 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ok? i dont see how that implies i said there was no case to be made for it being good, in a general sense
pfork only noted it after it became the album
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
i thought it was always highly regarded yeah
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
if you've got an IaSW itch, there's nothing else that scratches it. or at least not that I've come across. i can't say the same about KoB (which I would've had #1) or Black Saint or etc etc
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
in the late 90s when I first got it it was my favourite of the 6cds i bought then i realised that a lot of people agreed with me (same with tribute to jack johnson) pitchfork like other big general critic sites were late to the party as usual
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 5:15 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yah but so is the bulk of his catalog. im just wondering how this became ~the one~
i mean you can say its just the quality of the album but usually someone makes some kind of case for it in the public discourse
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
y'know i think for me, i picked up black saint because i knew that someone from astral weeks played on it. i was obsessed with AW for a while, so I read everything I could find about it, and it mentioned Jay Berliner's involvement on Black Saint. I had several mingus records before that, but it's a big catalog, it was kind of hard to know what to pick up back in the day.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
if you've got an IaSW itch, there's nothing else that scratches it. or at least not that I've come across.
Check out The Necks!
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
To me a very interesting choice for number 1 in a jazz poll. IASW, is not only jazz at the heights of abstraction and verging on "ambient", it was if i understand correctly very much shaped after the fact in the studio by Teo Macero's tape manipulation, Splicing and looping the bands source material. Which of coarse leeds to all kinds of ideas about the ascendance of the studio as an instrument, sampling and electronic music in the last quarter of the twentieth century.
It is also just an incredible Beautiful album
― dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
jesus christ do I need to diagram this sentence for you, aren't you paid to write wtf
the way this is written, the first phrase implies that the subject of the second phrase does not meet the same criteria, ie does not have a case to be made
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
aaaanyway
kinda weird top 5 here - all great records but placings seem off to me. I like IaSW fine but it doesn't stand out to me like some of his other electric work does. is it just because it was first/shock of the new? I dunno
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
I'm looking forward to seandalai's poll of spiritual hats from the top 250 poll!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, supposedly there was only 16 minutes that Miles wanted to use, so Macero rearranged them into 30+ minutes. The box is utterly fascinating; you can hear the unedited performances, and whole major frequently-repeated themes are left on the cutting room floor (to Joe Zawinul's frustration).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
btw shakey look at the # of points. It was really close. There was never really a huge jump in points between each album.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yah i mean ... this is my opinion? i think im right? obv in a literal sense anyone can make a case for anything. imo, there isnt a case to be made for ALS being trane's best record, to me, because i dont think its quite as good as village vanguard, live at birdland, etc,
this is a separate argument from my contention that w/in jazz discourse there's a general sentiment (or had been, at any rate, w the bulk of the writing i had read) that 'a love supreme,' despite being his most popular record, wasn't really his finest accomplishment.
this doesnt mean that i said NO CRITICS HAVE EVER MADE THE CASE
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
Awesome poll, happy with the #1, the whole top 10 in fact, great work. In A Silent way is just so beautiful, much as I love the later electric Miles albums I really think there's something special and perfect about that one. Also so much stuff to investigate - especially keen to check out the many Blue Note albums here I don't already know. Definitely doing some CD shopping tomorrow!
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
I wish unperson would post his thoughts on In A Silent Way
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
"Which of coarse leeds" is some kind of creative use of english huh?
― dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
i do think this is a v interesting no. 1 -- not partic spiritual hat, but not trad either. def doesnt fight the miles dominance of the poll tho lol
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
when i saw the first miles record that placed i was like, whoa, this is gonna be miles-heavy, but didnt realize how much so
fwiw i def prefer KoB & think there's a particularly unique & invigorating period for jazz that still retained a uniquely jazz sensibility, that didnt need to incorporate the encroaching populism of rock / funk etc., and for that reason remains probably the high water mark of miles' career to me
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
Aaaaand... relax. Thanks, Kerr and seandalai.
I love Mingus but have somehow never managed to hear the #2 album, so I hereby give carte blanche to everyone to tell me that my hep level is weak.
― emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
I love Miles but really, he's over-represented here at the cost of excluding others
but whatever
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think thats partic unusual emil.y! i def got into mingus through other records, was surprised when i saw it cropping up on like pfork or whatever
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:27 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yah theres def a depth over breadth thing to the poll
im glad its miles, though
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
agree w/deej on KoB. If an alien asked me what jazz is, I'd play him KoB 1st. feel free to make a sun ra-alien joke here.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
well, with Black Saint, it's almost like A Love Supreme -- maybe a rockist kinda thing? Not saying that in a negative way but maybe Black Saint is more of an "album" -- a cohesive whole, a concept-y record.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
it's got a very pretty cover with a quote on it
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sweet hat too
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
"Ascent" and "Early Minor" off of the complete IASW sessions are also beauties.
― dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
v earthy hat
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah black saint is a statement whereas others may be easier to see as a collection of tunes
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
These artists had the following # of albums in the 250 (might be acts with 4 or 5 missing so its not definitive)
Sonny Rollins - 4Alice Coltrane - 5Grant Green - 5Ornette Coleman - Archie Shepp - 7Pharoah Sanders - Thelonious Monk - 8Charles Mingus - 9Sun Ra - 11Herbie Hancock - 13John Coltrane - 23Miles Davis - 31
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
Leeds can be pretty coarse on a Friday night
― Number None, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
rockism
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
Alice Coltrane had 5, I think.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
miles davis vs the beatles would still get thrashed in an ILM poll, right?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
rockism yes, someone already said that
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
man alice coltrane's star has def risen
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks to everyone for voting and discussing, I certainly learned a lot from the poll. I don't really want to get into the big metafight, but as a confirmed member of the spiritual hat club I do see where deej etc. are coming from - while I do love a wide spectrum of jazz, the dominant aesthetic through which I appreciate music is one that originally comes from listening to other genres rather than through a formal or informal "jazz education".
But as has been pointed out, it's an ILM poll. If we ran a classical music poll, nobody would be surprised when some posters dissent from the general consensus that Reich and Cage have more top-100 compositions than Mozart.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
rockist to point this out imo
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
by which i mean i should have read the thread
thnx sd -- fwiw i felt like the discussion was worthwhile & i enjoyed hearing some ppl's perspectives on it for sure incl some of those who disagreed
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
rock is the best, though let's be realrock vs. jazz poll coming soon.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
haha oh god imagine a composers poll? (actually that would be a great poll and would be very enlightening ) but imagine the fighting
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
Year # of albums1947 11950 11953 11954 31956 71957 171958 111959 101960 121961 141962 111963 181964 191965 181966 151967 131968 71969 171970 111971 81972 81973 71974 61975 61976 11977 11978 11980 11986 11990 11991 11994 12002 1
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
Bit of a blip in 1968 - what went wrong?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
oh cool, thanks NickB! (fancy doing record labels? haha)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
lack of charlie parker is understandable -- other than massey hall, right? but he's not an album dude. but the real great one is the 1945 Town Hall show. like the monk/coltrane discovery, this is one that delivers on the hype.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
Meant to say to include labels when you started the run down :( xp
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
id say 'parker w/ strings' could have made my top 150 or so
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for The Charlie Parker Story, even though the false starts outnumber the complete takes.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
gimme 10 mins then i'll post the whole 500 or whatever it was
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
Anyhow, after years of not really listening to any jazz at all, this has definitely reignited my interest. TBH I thought this was a v. crazy idea and was totally O_O when I saw you were doing a top 250, but there are some interesting looking things throughout the whole rundown, so thanks a lot for doing this Kerr!
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
think i'm most sad that Louis and Duke's "Great Summit" didn't make it :((((
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
That's a great one (thought I didn't vote for it). Far better than I expected it would be.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
Like I said, nothing particularly insightful is going to come from me but despite everything I would not hesitate in sending this link to anyone who wanted to know "what are 250 jazz albums that I should listen to?" This isn't a Downbeat poll. It's a bunch of nerds on ILX so of course it's going to be a little skewed but I love it.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
But to add to the list of racist oversights, no Gerry Mulligan? C'mon, now.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
Smaller polls like top 50s/100s miss out on a lot of really great but 'niche' albums as 'canonical' albums dominate. Which means no-one really learns anything apart from newbies. But the fact a lot of the jazz d-bag thread regs said they learned lots of new albums validates it. Just because an album isn't in the top 50 doesn't mean it's not worthwhile, that goes for any genre.Obviously I didn't decide on a top 250 til seandalai sent me the results and realised it could be done. So thanks to all of you who voted and made it possible. Especially those who did the full 100 ballots. That was awesome. The jazz fans might be a tiny niche on ILM but they sure are dedicated.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
I'm pretty damn sure that any message board on the internet would have different results from each other. This one really does represent ILM though and I hope lots do check albums out.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
I learned that nobody likes jazz vocalists but me :(
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
posting this for the fuck of ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4aHWG7aqPM
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
even tho it has a terrible cover, this is my favorite vocal jazz record (not an "album" per se)http://www.duduki.net/photocache/36/mp3//goj-006-Billie%20Holliday%20With%20Lester%20Young-Lady%20Day%20and%20Prez%201937-1941/tn_400__cover.jpg
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
A Love Supreme at #15 = people love jazz vocals.
― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
Lot's of people like jazz singers. ilxors who don't like jazz singers just don't like to vote. Quite a few jazz fans on ilx are anti-poll
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
ilxors who like jazz singers just don't like to vote
lambert hendricks & ross should be here ... dinah washington ... billie hoilday obv ... sarah vaughn ...
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alUSx_X_za8
Chet didn't make a single appearance here :(
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
sarah vaughn did make it, deej
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEaDj6TXiQQ&feature=related
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
my first exposure to Ella Fitzgerald was her cameo in an episode of the White Shadow lol
yay IaSW! otm whoever said nothing else scratches that itch, i feel that tooalso, i love jazz singers
special thanks to kerr for being a positive force even if i do sort of regret voting now that i know that i don't deserve to have an opinion, and thanks for spreading the cosmic spirit through spotify
a tip of the spiritual hat to all of you for caring enough about jazz in 2011 to argue about it on the internetseriously
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc2DD9RSi2w
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPzt3A4Se_U
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
okay I'm done I promise
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
I'm trying to set up the hat poll but ILX doesn't like the images I'm using and I keep getting opaque error messages. Does anyone know if there are constraints like max image size or anything I might be missing?
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
special thanks to kerr for being a positive force even if i do sort of regret voting now that i know that i don't deserve to have an opinion
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, September 2, 2011 6:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeesh no one said this
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
ah dang yeah there is an image limit on posts i think, to stop image bombing? would that be it?
― zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
i know
put a hat on and ~chill out~ deej :)
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
What is the type of hat called that Mingus is wearing on Black Saint, and Pharoah Sanders is wearing on Tauhid (and possibly Karma)?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
Full listplacing/artist-album/points/votes/ no 1s
1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way 3379 23 3 #1s2 Charles Mingus - Black Saint And Sinner Lady 3321 22 1 #13 John Coltrane - Giant Steps 3134 23 2 #1s4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch 3080 22 5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come 3011 22 6 Pharoah Sanders - Karma 2996 21 0 7 John Coltrane - Ascension 2912 22 1 #18 Herbie Hancock - Sextant 2859 19 1 #19 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue 2785 21 0 10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi 2774 20 1 #111 Hank Mobley - Soul Station 2737 17 1 #112 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters 2716 20 13 John Coltrane - Blue Train 2710 20 14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um 2708 22 15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme 2701 20 16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things 2651 21 17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' 2602 17 1 #118 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew 2554 17 2 #1s19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda 2466 17 1 #120 Albert Ayler - spiritual unity 2239 17 0 21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners 2220 15 0 22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight 2165 15 0 23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out 2118 14 0 24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder 2096 16 0 25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures 1983 15 0 26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 17 27 Miles Davis - On the Corner 1957 14 1 #128 Joe Henderson - Page One 1902 12 0 29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings 1898 14 1 #130 Archie Shepp - Fire Music 1896 13 1 #131 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land 1836 12 32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun 1714 12 1 #133 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus 1658 15 34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure 1626 14 0 35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson 1616 14 36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus 1538 13 1 #137 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus 1528 12 38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz 1520 13 0 39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain 1493 12 0 40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective 1481 12 0 41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space 1461 15 0 42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud 1447 13 0 43 Miles Davis - Agharta 1393 12 0 44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out 1378 9 0 45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It 1350 12 0 46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music 1343 12 0 47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass 1262 13 0 48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet 1251 10 049 Horace Silver - Song for My Father 1228 12 0 50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane 1225 11 0
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions 1216 10 0 52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil 1207 11 0 53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser 1201 12 0 54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage 1200 12 0 55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu 1194 12 0 56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' 1151 10 0 57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music 1135 10 0 58 Donald Byrd - off to the races 1132 11 0 59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite 1125 9 0 60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter 1099 10 0 61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 1096 10 0 62 Duke Ellington/Charlie Mingus/Max Roach - Money Jungle 1095 10 063 Charlie Haden - Music Liberation Orchestra 1091 10 0 64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century 1083 10 0 65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador 1071 10 1 #166 John Coltrane - Meditations 1069 9 1 #167 Hank Mobley - Roll Call 1049 10 1 #168 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling 1048 11 0 69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth 1035 9 070 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity 1007 11 0 71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi 1007 9 0 72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead 1003 9 0 73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman 997 10 0 74 Anthony Braxton - for alto 986 8 0 75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off 976 8 0 76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds 974 8 0 77 Miles Davis - Cookin' 966 10 0 78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) 965 10 0 79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness 964 7 2 #1s80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles 951 9 0 81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream 949 10 0 82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions 942 9 1 #1s83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play 940 10 0 84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid 932 10 0 85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove 930 8 0 86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame 929 9 0 87 John Coltrane - Crescent 920 8 0 88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti 912 8 0 89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! 904 10 0 90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool 898 9 0 91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles 890 11 0 92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness 880 8 0 93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages 872 7 0 94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport 863 7 0 95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 9 0 96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard 849 8 0 97 Grant Green - Idle Moments 846 9 0 98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House 846 8 099 Miles Davis - E.S.P. 835 9 0 100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie 828 9 0
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue 818 8 0 102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire 812 8 0 103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village 807 6 1 #1104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 803 9 0 105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy 801 8 0 106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby 796 7 0 107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd 785 8 0 108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky 778 7 0 109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions 771 7 0 110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious 764 7 0 111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond 761 8 0 112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia 760 7 0 113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead 751 9 0 114 John Coltrane - First Meditations 747 7 0 115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up 739 6 0 115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah 739 6 0 117 Kenny Dorham - Matador 737 7 0 118 Miles Davis - Milestones 731 8 0 119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' 728 7 0 120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is 723 7 0 121 Big John Patton - Along Came John 718 7 0 122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju 714 8 0 123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' 703 9 0 124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess 702 6 0 125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro 698 8 0 126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 7 0 127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music 694 8 0 128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components 693 6 0 129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama 687 7 0 130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas 684 7 0 131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay 674 8 0 132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall 673 0133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer 667 6 0 134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse 662 7 0 135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 659 8 0 136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West 656 6 0 137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll 646 7 0 138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought 637 6 0 139 Herbie Hancock - Manchild 635 7 0 140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods 635 5 0 141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice 633 6 0 142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out 629 6 0 143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy 625 6 0 144 Grant Green - Matador 624 6 0 145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk 621 0145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands 621 5 0 147 Miles Davis - Workin' 620 7 0 148 j.j. johnson - proof positive 619 7 0 149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum 618 6 0 149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music 618 6 0 151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall 612 7 0 152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto 607 5 0 153 Hank Mobley - Workout 604 6 0 154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame 600 7 0 155 Miles Davis - Pangaea 598 6 0 156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! 597 4 1 #1s157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus 595 6 0 158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping 592 6 0 158 Yusuf Lateef - Eastern Sounds 592 6 0 160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground 586 5 0 161 Eric Dolphy - Out There 580 6 0 162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! 578 5 0 163 Grant Green - Solid 564 6 0 164 Miles Davis - Walkin' 563 6 0 165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue 563 5 0 166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 5 0 167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse 561 4 0 168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 0 169 Sun Ra - Atlantis 554 7 0 170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie 553 5 0 170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven 553 5 0 172 Charles Mingus - The Clown 550 7 0 173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces 550 5 0 174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else 548 5 0 175 Curtis Fuller - the opener 548 4 1 #1s176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues 545 6 0 177 Tony Williams - Lifetime 542 7 0 178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova 540 5 0 179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine 539 5 0 180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring 537 7 0 181 Albert Ayler - Bells 535 5 0 181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy 535 5 0 183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel 534 6 0 184 Archie Shepp - On This Night 530 6 0 185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia 530 5 0186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion 529 6 0 187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk 528 3 0 188 John Coltrane - Lush Life 526 4 0 188 John Coltrane - Training In 526 4 0 190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do 525 5 0 191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don 523 5 0 192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie 521 4 0 193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst 519 7 0 194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones 519 5 0 195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section 515 5 0196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues 513 5 0 197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon 513 4 0 198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge 512 6 0 199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") 512 4 0 200 John Coltrane - Ballads 510 5 0
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics 507 0202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti 505 4 0 203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity 502 4 0 204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye 501 6 0 205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport 501 4 0 206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane 479 3 0 207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam 478 5 0 208 Albert Ayler - New grass 478 4 0 209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down 477 4 0 210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde 476 5 0 211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs 474 3 0 212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues 473 6 0 213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall 470 4 0 214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower 465 3 0 215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry 461 6 0 216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity 460 3 0 217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun 458 5 0 218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen 457 5 0 219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World 453 4 0 220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz 440 3 0 221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! 436 5 0 222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man 436 4 0 223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman 432 4 0 224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar 431 4 0 225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams 422 4 0 226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants 417 4 0227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet 415 5 0 228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet 415 4 0 229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco 413 3 0 230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent 412 4 0 231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia 402 5 0 232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 4 0 233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite 394 4 0 234 Derek Bailey - Ballads 387 5 0 235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement 387 3 0 236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust 386 3 0 237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland 384 4 0 238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There 381 3 0 239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata 380 2 0240 Elvin Jones - Dear John C. 377 4 0 240 Peter Brötzmann - Nipples 377 4 0 242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks 377 3 0 243 Milford Graves - Babi 376 2 0 243 Sonny Sharrock - Guitar 376 2 0 245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings 373 4 0 246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots 369 4 0 247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street 367 3 0 248 gil evans - out of the cool 365 3 0 249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up 364 3 0 250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross 359 4 0
CUT OFF POINT 251 Grant Green - Live At Club Mozambique 356 4 0 252 Charlie Parker - The Charlie Parker Story 354 2 0 252 Colin Stetson - New History Warfare Vol. 2: Judges 354 2 0254 James Blood Ulmer - Odyssey 353 3 0 255 Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire 352 4 0 256 Larry Young - Unity 352 3 0 257 Leon Thomas - Spirits Known and Unknown 352 2 0 258 Carla Bley/Paul Haines - Escalator Over The Hill 351 4 0259 Herbie Hancock - Sunlight 347 4 0 260 Frank Sinatra - Songs for Swinging Lovers 339 3 0 261 John McLaughlin - Extrapolation 336 2 0 262 Eddie Henderson - Realization 335 4 0 263 Count Basie - April In Paris 334 2 0 264 Charles Mingus - At Antibes 332 2 0 265 Antonio Carlos Jobim - wave 330 3 0 266 Stanley Turrentine - Dont Miss With Mr T 328 2 0 267 kai winding and j.j. johnson - 1960 - the great kai & j.j 326 0268 John Coltrane - Coltrane Jazz 321 4 0 269 Grant Green - Alive 321 3 1 Patrick270 Frank Zappa - Hot Rats 321 3 0 271 Chet Baker - Chet 314 2 0 272 John Coltrane - Dear Old Stockholm 293 3 0 273 Ayler/Cherry/Tchicai/Rudd/Peacock/Murray - New York Eye and Ear Control293 2 0 274 Roland Kirk - The Inflated Tear 291 3 0 275 Roland Kirk - Prepare Thyself To Deal With A Miracle 290 2 0276 Cecil Taylor - Jumpin' Punkins 289 3 0 277 Albert Ayler - Nuits de La Fondation Maeght, Vol. 1 288 3 0278 Roland Kirk - Volunteered Slavery 287 2 0 279 Ella Fitzgerald - Sings the George and Ira Gershwin Songbook 286 0280 John Zorn - Spy Vs. Spy 285 3 0 281 James Blood Ulmer - Tales of Captain Black 284 3 0 282 Miles Davis - Black Beauty: Miles Davis at Fillmore West 283 0283 Thelonious Monk - Underground 281 2 0 284 Anthony Braxton - Quartet (Dortmund) 1976 279 2 0 285 Sonny Rollins - A Night at the Village Vanguard 278 3 0 286 Ella Fitzgerald - Ella in Berlin: Mack the Knife 275 2 0287 Naked City - Heretic: Jeux des Dames Cruelles 274 2 0 288 Nina Simone - At Carnegie Hall 273 3 0 289 Idris Muhammad - Black Rhythm Revolution! 270 2 0 290 Weather Report - Heavy Weather 268 3 0 291 Vince Guaraldi - Jazz Impressions of Black Orpheus 267 2 0292 Peter Brotzmann - Chicago Octet/Tentet 265 2 0 293 Wes Montgomery - Full House 264 3 0 294 Joe Henderson - Inner urge 262 3 0 295 Clifford Brown and Max Roach - Study in Brown 255 2 0 295 Roland Kirk Quartet featuring Elvin Jones - Rip, Rig and Panic 255 0297 Keith Jarrett - The Köln Concert 253 2 0 298 Joe Henderson featuring Alice Coltrane - The Elements 252 2 0299 Carlos Santana & John McLaughlin - Love Devotion Surrender 250 0
300 Nina Simone - Baltimore 244 2 0 301 Sonny Rollins - Sonny Rollins Plus 4 243 2 0 302 Frank Sinatra - In the Wee Small Hours 233 2 0 303 Billie Holiday - Lady In Satin 226 3 0 304 Innerzone Orchestra - Programmed 226 2 0 305 Thelonious Monk - It's Monks Time 221 3 0 306 Sonny Rollins - The Bridge 216 3 0 307 Chet Baker - Chet Baker Sings 203 2 0 308 David Murray - Flowers For Albert 202 2 0 308 Don Cherry, Dewey Redman, Charlie Haden & Ed Blackwell - Old and New Dreams (ECM album) 202 2 0 308 Ella Fitzgerald - Sings The Irving Berlin Songbook 202 2 0308 Eric Dolphy - At The Five Spot Vol. 1 202 2 0 308 Hank Mobley - A Caddy For Daddy 202 2 0 308 Johnny Griffin - Introducing Johnny Griffin 202 2 0 308 Sonny Rollins - G-Man 202 2 0 315 McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy 201 2 0 315 The Revolutionary Ensemble - The Revolutionary Ensemble 201 2 0317 Bill Dixon Orchestra - Intents and Purposes 200 1 1 #1317 George Lewis - Homage to Charles Parker 200 1 1 #1319 Ornette Coleman - Chappaqua Suite 196 2 0 320 Charles Mingus - Mingus At Carnegie Hall 195 2 0 320 Roland Young - Isophonic Boogie Woogie 195 2 0 320 William Parker & Hamid Drake - Piercing the Veil 195 2 0323 Eddie Henderson - Inside Out 194 3 0 323 Ornette Coleman - Dancing In Your Head 194 3 0 325 Dexter Gordon - Our Man In Paris 192 2 0 325 Donald Byrd - Electric byrd 192 2 0 325 Wayne Shorter - Adam's Apple 192 2 0 328 Cecil Taylor European Orchestra - Alms/Tiergarten (Spree) 192 0328 Gil Evans - The Individualism of Gil Evans 192 1 0 330 Matthew Shipp - Equilibrium 190 1 0 330 Spontaneous Music Ensemble - Challenge 190 1 0 332 Air - Air Lore 188 2 0 332 Lee Konitz - Motion 188 2 0 332 Sun Ra - Black Myth/Out In Space 188 2 0 335 Patty Waters - Sings 187 2 0 336 Henry Threadgill Very Very Circus - Too Much Sugar For a Dime 184 0336 Pat Metheny/Ornette Coleman - Song X 184 2 0 338 Amina Claudine Myers Trio - The Circle Of Time 184 1 0 338 Evan Parker - 50th Birthday Concert 184 1 0 340 Jon Hassell - Power Spot 183 2 0 341 Mulatu Astatke - Mulatu of Ethiopia 182 2 0 342 Bill Dixon - Vade Mecum 182 1 0 342 Evan Parker - Chicago Solo 182 1 0 342 Stanley Turrentine - Salt Song 182 1 0 345 Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo 180 1 0 346 John Zorn - The Big Gundown 178 2 0 347 Flora Purim - Stories to Tell 178 1 0 348 Alan Silva and the Celestrial Communication Orchestra - Seasons 176 0349 Sonny Rollins - What's New? 172 1 0 350 Sun Ra - Jazz in Silhouette 168 2 0 351 Duke Ellington - Such Sweet Thunder 168 1 0 352 Duke Ellington - Second Sacred Concert 166 1 0 352 Tony Oxley Quintet - The Baptised Traveller 166 1 0 354 Clifford Brown/Max Roach (verve, 1954) 165 2 0 355 Weather Report - Weather Report 162 1 0 356 Andrew Hill - Dance With Death 161 2 0 357 Gil Evans - Plays the Music of Jimi Hendrix 159 2 0 357 John McLaughlin - My Goal's Beyond 159 2 0 359 Bill Dixon - 17 Musicians In Search Of A Sound: Darfur 158 1 0360 Return to Forever - Musicmagic 152 1 0 361 'Meshell Ndegeocello presents The Spirit Music Jamia - Dance of the Infidel 150 1 0 362 Charles Tolliver with Music Inc. & Orchestra - Impact 149 2 0363 Airto - Seeds on the Ground 148 1 0 363 Ramsey Lewis - Funky Serenity 148 1 0 365 Jack DeJohnette - Zebra 146 1 0 366 Hermeto Pascoal - Slaves Mass 144 1 0 367 Larry Young - Lawrence of Newark 142 2 0 368 Joe Sample - Fancy Dance 142 1 0 369 Duke Ellington - Anatomy of a Murder 141 2 0 370 Björk Guðmundsdóttir & Tríó Guðmundar Ingólfssonar - Gling-Gló 140 0371 McCoy Tyner - Sahara 138 2 0 372 Alice Coltrane - Translinear Light 136 1 0 373 Lester Bowie - The Great Pretender 134 1 0 374 Patti Austin - Havana Candy 132 1 0 375 Frank Zappa - Waka/Jawaka 131 2 0 376 Milt Jackson - sunflower 124 1 0 377 Joe Henderson - Our Thing 112 2 0 378 Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath - Brotherhood of Breath 112 0378 Don Cherry - Complete Communion 112 1 0 380 Jimmy Smith - Back At The Chicken Shack 110 1 0 380 Stanley Cowell - Regeneration 110 1 0 382 Peter Brötzmann - Fuck De Boere 103 2 0 383 Alice Coltrane - huntington ashram monastary 101 1 0 383 Anthony Braxton - Creative Orchestra Music, 1976 101 1 0383 Barbara Thompson's Paraphernalia - Live In Concert 101 1 0383 Billie Holiday - Body & Soul 101 1 0 383 Billie Holiday - Music For Torching 101 1 0 383 Bud Powell -The Amazing Bud Powell Vols 1 and 2 101 1 0 383 Charles Earland - Black Talk 101 1 0 383 Charles Gayle - Touchin' on Trane 101 1 0 383 Chico Hamilton Quintet - The Sweet Smell of Success 101 1 0383 Circle - The Paris Concert 101 1 0 383 Dewey Redman - The Ear of the Behearer 101 1 0 383 Dexter Gordon - Go 101 1 0 383 Donald Byrd - Byrd In Hand 101 1 0 383 Donald Byrd - Chant 101 1 0 383 Donald Byrd - Fuego 101 1 0 383 Ella Fitzgerald - Sings The Duke Ellington Song Book 101 1 0383 Ella Fitzgerald - Sings The Harold Arlen Songbook 101 1 0383 Eric Dolphy - Far Cry 101 1 0 383 Frank Sinatra - Sinatra at the Sands (w/Count Basie Orchestra) 101 0383 George Shearing - The Way We Are 101 1 0 383 Grant Green - Talkin' About 101 1 0 383 Hank Mobley - A Slice Of The Top 101 1 0 383 Hank Mobley - Dippin' 101 1 0 383 Hank Mobley - No Room For Squares 101 1 0 383 Hank Mobley - Peckin' Time 101 1 0 383 Harriott/ Mayer -Indo-Jazz Fusion 101 1 0 383 Henry Threadgill - X-75 Volume 1 101 1 0 383 Henry Threadgill Sextet - Easily Slip Into Another World 101 0383 Herbie Hancock - Speak Like A Child 101 1 0 383 Herbie Mann - Live At The Whiskey A Go Go 101 1 0 383 Jimmy & Wes - The Dynamic Duo 101 1 0 383 Jimmy Smith - Crazy! Baby 101 1 0 383 Jimmy Smith - The Cat 101 1 0 383 Joseph Jarman - Black Paladins 101 1 0 383 Julius Hemphill - Dogon A.D. 101 1 0 383 Kenny Dorham - una Mas 101 1 0 383 Kenyon Hopkins - The Hustler (OST) 101 1 0 383 King Curtis - Live at Fillmore West 101 1 0 383 Leith Stevens - Jazz Themes from 'The Wild One' 101 1 0 383 Mike Westbrook - The Cortège 101 1 0 383 paul chambers - bass on top 101 1 0 383 Peter Herbolzheimer - Big Band Man: The MPS And Polydor Studio Recordings 101 1 0 383 Rashied Ali - Duo Exchange 101 1 0 383 Revolutionary Ensemble - Vietnam 101 1 0 383 Roscoe Mitchell - Sound 101 1 0 383 Sam Rivers - Contrasts 101 1 0 383 Sam Rivers - Hues 101 1 0 383 Skip Martin - Music from 'Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer' 101 0383 Sonny Murray - Sonny's Time Now 101 1 0 383 Sonny Rollins - Alfie 101 1 0 383 Sonny Rollins - East Broadway Rundown 101 1 0 383 Sonny Rollins - Freedom Suite 101 1 0 383 Sonny Rollins - Next Album 101 1 0 383 Tommy Flanagan - Jazz Poet 101 1 0 383 Tommy Flanagan-Beyond the Bluebird 101 1 0 438 Arve Henriksen - Chiaroscuro 100 1 0 438 Billie Holiday - Songs For Distingue Lovers 100 1 0 438 Charlie Haden - The Ballad Of The Fallen 100 1 0 438 Eberhard Weber - The Colours of Chloë 100 1 0 438 Eberhard Weber - Yellow Fields 100 1 0 438 Kenny Dorham - Afro-Cuban 100 1 0 438 Peter Brötzmann - Balls 100 1 0 438 Tomasz Stanko Quartet - Suspended Night 100 1 0 446 Jack DeJohnette with Michael Cain & Steve Gorn - Dancing with Nature Spirits 98 1 0 447 Charles Mingus - Mingus Dynasty 96 1 0 448 Sun Ra - Futuristic Sounds Of 95 2 0 449 Alice Coltrane - A Monastic Trio 95 1 0 449 Charles Tyler - Eastern Man Alone 95 1 0 449 Eric Dolphy - Outward bound 95 1 0 449 Gary Bartz - I've Known Rivers and Other Bodies 95 1 0 449 Mike Westbrook Concert Band - Marching Song I+II 95 1 0449 New York Art Quartet - s/t 95 1 0 449 Sun Ra - Sound Of Joy 95 1 0 456 Leon Thomas - The Leon Thomas Album 94 1 0 457 Flora Purim - Encounter 92 1 0 458 Barry Guy/Barre Phillips - Arcus 91 1 0 458 Bobby Hutcherson - Happenings 91 1 0 458 Bobby Hutcherson - The View from the Inside 91 1 0 458 Duke Ellington & John Coltrane 91 1 0 458 Frank Wright Trio 91 1 0 458 Freddie Hubbard - The Body And The Soul 91 1 0 458 Grachan Moncur III - Evolution 91 1 0 458 Lee Morgan - Sonic boom 91 1 0 458 Lee Morgan - Tom Cat 91 1 0 458 Wayne Shorter - Et Cetera 91 1 0 458 Wayne Shorter - Night Dreamer 91 1 0 458 Wayne Shorter - The soothsayer 91 1 0 470 Jimmy Scott - The Fabulous Songs of Jimmy Scott 88 1 0 470 Victor Wooten - What Did He Say? 88 1 0 472 Art Tatum-Group Masterpieces, Volume 2 (w/ Roy Eldridge) 87 0472 Art Tatum-Group Masterpieces, Volume 8 (w/ Ben Webster) 87 1 0472 Cecil Taylor - One Too Many Salty Swift And Not Goodbye 87 1 0472 Cecil Taylor - Silent Tongues 87 1 0 472 Cecil Taylor - Winged Serpent (Sliding Quadrants) 87 1 0472 Duke Ellington - New Orleans Suite 87 1 0 472 Horace Tapscott - The Dark Tree 87 1 0 472 Julius Hemphill - Coon Bid’ness 87 1 0 472 London Jazz Composers Orchestra - Ode 87 1 0 472 McCoy Tyner - Enlightenment 87 1 0 472 Milford Graves - Meditation Among Us 87 1 0 483 Anthony Braxton - Eight (+3) Tristano Compositions 1989 - For Warne Marsh 83 1 0 483 Anthony Braxton - Sexted (Istanbul) 1996 83 1 0 483 Anthony Braxton - Willisau (Quartet) 1991 83 1 0 483 Anthony Braxton/ Max Roach -One in Two/ Two in One 83 1 0483 Derek Bailey/George Lewis/John Zorn - Yankees 83 1 0 483 Electric Masada - At the Mountains of Madness 83 1 0 483 Evan Parker Trio - Atlanta 83 1 0 483 Evan Parker Trio - Breaths and Heartbeats 83 1 0 483 Gregg Bendian's Interzone - Requiem for Jack Kirby 83 1 0483 John McLaughlin - Devotion 83 1 0 483 John Zorn - The Circle Maker 83 1 0 483 Mark Dresser - Force Green 83 1 0 483 Masada - Hei 83 1 0 483 Oranj Symphonette - Plays Mancini 83 1 0 483 Ornette Coleman - In All Languages 83 1 0 483 Spring Heel Jack - Amassed 83 1 0 483 Spring Heel Jack - Masses 83 1 0 483 Tim Berne's Bloodcount - Unwound 83 1 0 483 Tony Oxley - The Enchanted Messenger 83 1 0 483 Vandermark 5 - Free Jazz Classics, Vols. 1 & 2 83 1 0 483 Vandermark 5 - Free Jazz Classics, Vols. 3 & 4 83 1 0 483 William Parker - In Order To Survive 83 1 0 505 Sun Ra - Nuclear War 82 1 0 506 George Russell Sextet - Ezz-thetics 78 1 0 507 Bennie Maupin - The Jewel in the Lotus 76 1 0 507 Bob Brookmeyer - New Works 76 1 0 507 Bohren & der Club of Gore - Black Earth 76 1 0 507 Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong - Ella & Louis Again 76 0507 Gil Evans - Gil Evans & Ten 76 1 0 507 Gil Evans - Live at Sweet Basil 76 1 0 507 Gil Evans - Svengali 76 1 0 507 Kenny Burrell - Guitar Forms 76 1 0 507 Thelonious Monk Plays Duke Ellington 76 1 0 507 Weather Report - Live in Toyko 76 1 0 517 Roland Kirk - Please Don't You Cry, Beutiful Edith 68 1 0518 The Freedom Sounds featuring Wayne Henderson - People Get Ready 64 0519 Jamaaladeen Tacuma - Renaissance Man 62 1 0 520 Andrew hill - Passing Ships 61 1 0 520 Don Patterson - The Exciting New Organ of Don Patterson 61 1 0520 Gene Ammons - Golden Saxophone 61 1 0 520 Jack McDuff - Tough 'Duff 61 1 0 520 Jackie McLean - Bluesnik 61 1 0 520 Jackie McLean - Right Now 61 1 0 520 Jimmy McGriff - The Worm 61 1 0 520 Joe Henderson - Four 61 1 0 520 Joe Henderson - Mode For Joe 61 1 0 520 Joe Henderson - power To The people 61 1 0 520 Joe Henderson - Straight No Chaser 61 1 0 520 Joe Henderson - The Kicker 61 1 0 532 Idris Muhammad - Kabsha 54 1 0 533 Dizzy Gillespie - New Wave 40 1 0 534 Dizzy Gillespie - Something Old, Something New 38 1 0 535 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Bap-Tizum 32 1 0 536 Sun Ra - Visits Planet Earth 22 1 0 537 Thad Jones - The Magnificent Thad Jones 8 1 0 538 Sonny Stitt/Gene Ammons - Boss Tenors 4 1 0
I don't know if seandalai has a spreadsheet link for future reference so I'm posting this all here. Sorry there's no formatting so hope its legible.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
Also, I never noticed before that Pharoah is wearing the same hat on Black Unity as he is wearing on Thembi.
holy shit xp
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
264 Charles Mingus - At Antibes 332 2 0
ooh man this this this
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
persian lamb hat?
http://www.russianlegacy.com/catalog/images/hats/C7431.jpg
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
big albums i expected to go top 100 just missed out.
Maybe if I had done a top 300 people would have been happier?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
apparently they are also called ushanka
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, that's the one! Wonder who wore it first?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
Nice results. I'm a little surprised I'm the only one to vote Black Saint #1 though. I own pretty much everything Mingus ever did mainly because I was hoping he'd matched that album. He had a lot of great albums, but nothing quite so intense. Also, the only jazz album to soundtrack my dreams.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
nick - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakul_%28hat%29
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
Full list of ILM post-1945 JAZZ ALBUM RESULTS + post your ballots
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
Damn, the fur production for those hats sounds horribly grizzly and not really very spiritual at all.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
Poll of SPIRITUAL HATS
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify Playlist
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
thanks for the poll, Armand! (I know you're former ILX poster ____ but not sure who) this poll has given me a loooooooooong list of stuff i'm dying to hear
― In the long run, we will all be cyberpunks (Z S), Saturday, 3 September 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, lots of homework.
Any chance you could post the list of songs on the Spotify playlist (one song per album right?) for those of us (lolCanadians) who can't see it? Song by song will be a lot faster/easier than album by album.
Thanks for this.
― misty sensorium (Plasmon), Saturday, 3 September 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
and you said you were a vibraphone guy too, right? have you heard http://jazzbluesclub.com/uploads/posts/thumbs/1253951116_timefortwo.jpg
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 3 September 2011 06:32 (twelve years ago) link
Sadly missed most of the countdown, now realise what huge gaps I have in my jazz knowledge. Will be hammering spotify over the next few months.
Only one album whose placing has me shocked, '297 Keith Jarrett - The Köln Concert 253 2 0', I expected this to be a top 30 placing easily.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Saturday, 3 September 2011 08:43 (twelve years ago) link
plenty of things I thought would place but not everything can place.
Any chance you could post the list of songs on the Spotify playlist (one song per album right?) for those of us (lolCanadians) who can't see it? Song by song will be a lot faster/easier than album by album.Thanks for this.― misty sensorium (Plasmon),
― misty sensorium (Plasmon),
There's no way to c&p anything like that over, sorry. It's mostly the full albums on the list (except some albums dont have songs available for some reason)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:18 (twelve years ago) link
The only real surprises for me were the low placings of Brown/Roach records, and Braxton's Creative Orchestra Music 1976 not placing in the top 250. It was a relatively big record when it was released (topped Down Beat's 1977 critics poll); but then, it's been out of print pretty much from the late 70s until the expensive Mosaic set came out a couple years ago.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
And thanks for posting the Spotify list! Currently listening to Grant Green's take on George Russell's "Ezz-Thetic", gonna dig into Herbie soon (never heard any of his records as a leader).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
but remember it's an ILM poll not a Downbeat poll. As I said on the other thread, people should have campaigned for albums.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
I know, I don't think I campaigned for anything. I think a lot of it has to do with visibility, too; if a record's out of print for x number of years/decades, its hearers are necessarily going to be fewer than those of consistently-in-print records.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
i campaigned for Soul Station and Cool Struttin' and posted spotify links to the albums and it seemed to work. Same with the links to 50 Trane, I had feared earlier Miles & Trane would suffer, but thankfully not!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
It can work both ways tarfumes, sometimes oop albums get a mythology of their own.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
True, hence the placing of Babi (among others).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i downloaded that one. A friend of mine in poland digs that lp so much.(he owns it) he used to post on here when he lived in the usa/canada but sadly is a poll hater.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
This may be discussed elsewhere on the thread, but with all that Miles I'm kinda surprised by no Elevator to the Gallows.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 3 September 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, September 3, 2011 8:53 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
or the trane & monk record that was only released a couple yrs ago
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
the trane and monk record that placed came out in 1961
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 September 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
N/M just saw the quartet one
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 September 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
just ordered that blue note book. my folks have amazon prime trial so will get it monday it says. might order a couple of cd's too as there's a few good cheap ones. Hardly bought a thing for months.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
Now what to buy? Gonna order something that isnt actually in the poll but wanted to get for ages and now I am going to. All this stuff on Spotify has made me lazy about buying, and I've decided that since 99% of my jazz collection is on CD im just going to keep buying jazz on cd instead of vinyl as it's too expensive and amazon has cd's for 4 or 5 quid.
Obv got a fair bit of these albums on CD but gonna get a few i dont have already. Bizarrely im lacking in most coltrane but id like to get the rest of the Impulse cds first, anyone know if there's a Coltrane impulse box?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
if not im just gonna look out for cheap coltrane impulse cds.Dont need any miles (apart from a few box sets) as i have that giant 70cd box from a year or 2 back.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
This poll got me to order Money Jungle, The Far-East Suite, a Dave Brubeck Quartet three-album set (fuck the haters, this was an awesome band with an unique sound), and The Betty Carter Album (wasn't familiar with her, but Deej's and Shakey's posts certainly got me interested) from Amazon, so it's certainly been a good way of introducing new stuff to me. Thanks Kerr & Sean!
― Tuomas, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
There is a Coltrane Impulse box, his "complete" quartet recordings -- and just the quartet. So, no Africa/Brass, no Ascension, no Meditations, none of the records with his 66-67 quintet, no 1961 Vanguard (Dolphy was in that group), no Interstellar Space, and none of the previously-unreleased quartet recordings that came to light after the "complete" box was issued.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
Might have a look for that if its not too expensive and if its cheaper than buying stuff together.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
Better than that though is the Coltrane On Impulse sets that they've been putting out. Five albums in each volume with the superior Japanese remasters, no extras, no alternates. The first three volumes are everything released in his lifetime; volumes 4 & 5 will be out in the next couple of months and start collecting the posthumous releases. The first 3 sets are cheap - around $35 or so. 4 & 5 look to be around $60 each - I think the demand is less, and the print runs will be smaller.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
a Dave Brubeck Quartet three-album set (fuck the haters, this was an awesome band with an unique sound)
imo paul desmond >>> dave brubeck, and a more defining element to the group's sound. you might want to pursue some of his stuff
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
I think they're actually called John Coltrane: The Impulse Albums Volume _. As much as I like some of the alternates on the special edition single sets (like The Complete Africa/Brass) I find that I greatly prefer the albums as intended when possible. I even took the time to separate the Atlantic boxsets for Coltrane, Coleman & Mingus into the intended albums when I ripped them into itunes.
xpost
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
xp to myself although obv desmond was linked to p much the best brubeck stuff
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
I agree that Desmond was the real star of the group, but the rest of them were suberb and tight players too, at least during the Morello/Wright era. That said, I'm not familiar with Desmond's solo career, what would be a good place to start?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
his record w/ don elliot is cool, no piano
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
im actually no clear on the consensus records for him though tbh -- i know his stuff w/ jim hall is good tho
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
ooh i forgot this one is great for surehttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51f3JKtxxDL._SS500_.jpg
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
ouch too spendyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Classic-Quartet-Complete-Impulse-Studio-Recordings/dp/B00000DHZ9/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1315074435&sr=1-2
same goes for complete heavyweight (if i had £150 it would be worth it though)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
Kerr, have a look at the Impulse Albums boxes that EZ mentioned. Cheap-ish from Play.com but delivery is a bit slow:
http://www.play.com/Search.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchstring=Coltrane+Impulse!+Albums
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah im going to! cheers
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
bit too expensive just now but i can wait until they all come down to £20 each then i might consider it.i would like to buy Om though and Ascension. Would prefer to get separate albums though unless that major works of cd set is better? Anyone know?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
Found major works of 2xcd in the usa for £11 inc postage. Unless its a shoddy mastering i think i might take that.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
It's definitely very well mastered. I'm actually listening to "Om" from it right now. I love this whole set completely, a major turning point in my listening.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
That was how I was introduced to that work back in '92. The mastering is fine, but not outstanding. I think you'll be good to go with that until you decide you want the individual remasters. It's essential music regardless of how it's presented.
I had no idea the Impulse boxes were so expensive overseas. As I said, before the fourth one I never paid more than $35. I've pre-ordered the 4th box (out next week!) and it was tough forking out $20 more. I wouldn't have paid $70 bucks for them, that's for sure.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
ive been meaning to buy major works for 15 years! but because I had om and ascension on a copied tape i never bothered parting with the cash and bought stuff i didn't have then along came p2p and y'know. Would have picked it up in a shop but none of them ever had them when i looked. But im gonna get it. Cheaper than the individual albums and i can always pick them up one by one if i ever see them cheap.
haha fuck methis settles it http://www.amazon.co.uk/Om-20Bit-John-Coltrane/dp/B0000562N6/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1315077749&sr=1-1
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
Also, Major Works has both takes of Ascension (though for some reason, Edition II is the first take, and Edition I is the second).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
ordered
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
"Edition I" was the first version released; "Edition II" replaced it shortly thereafter because Coltrane decided he preferred it.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
I hope you like it. Pretty life changing thing for me when I first heard it.
oh i know these albums well , as i said i had copies for years. It just took me this long to finally own them.
blame bobby gillespie for me liking om. Hearing an interview on radio scotland with him about Om and it playing in the background turned me on to it and i had already got ascension from the library. Wish i could have bought the cds/lps i ordered in to the library as they probably sat in the stores for years and if they haven't been sold off they're prob in a dusty storeroom.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
3 mingus albums in a 2xCD set for £3.93. Bit of a bargain guys
In many people's eyes, Mingus merited the title of genius, his writing for both small and large ensembles being compared to that of Duke Ellington - the ultimate accoloade. His bass playing, honed in the company of major players like Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie was out of the top drawer. On this release we bring together three of Mingus' albums, two of which are regarded as modern jazz classics: 'Mingus Ah Um' and 'The Clown', as well as the relatively neglected 'Pithecanthropus Erectus', which even all these years down the line is worthy of re-appraisal.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mingus-Ah-Um-Charles/dp/B003143FYK/ref=lh_ni_t
bought Mwandishi forgot i hadnt bought that (yes another i had a copy off in the 90s from the library so never got round to buying despite having crossings and sextant and all the funky albums from that era).
Ordered a bunch of Coltrane cds cheap from ebay. Spent about £20 in all + the £10 for major worksof Damn that idiot who came up with the idea of a jazz poll.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder how many ilxor will buy from this poll (assuming he still is interested in jazz)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone who has the blue note covers book how is it?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
just ordered just ordered The Complete Africa / Brass Sessions for £9 on amazon.co.uk im skint now but im sure it's worth it
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
Totally worth it for three versions of "Africa", let alone all the other songs (two versions of "Greensleeves", "Song of the Underground Railroad", "Blues Minor - all amazing). Probably my favorite Coltrane studio recordings (The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings I rank above all else. I love the open interplay of Dolphy & Coltrane and wish they had decades to work together).
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 September 2011 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
those impulse coltrane boxes w/ the original albums are great -- much better imo than listening to the chronological classic quintet box (which is good too, but...). It made me appreciate how those albums were put together -- very nice flow and sequencing for the most part.
& i agree w/ EZ the complete village vanguard is a thing of beauty -- the versions of "spritual" on there are monumental, incomparable. same goes for "india".
― tylerw, Sunday, 4 September 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
"Live" At The Village Vanguard was my first Coltrane, and I listened to my dubbed copy so much that I could probably hum the entire record from memory. I'd never heard -- or heard of -- Eric Dolphy before, and his solo on "Spiritual" knocked me for a loop from which I have yet to recover (some 20 years on).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 4 September 2011 04:25 (twelve years ago) link
I have a great memory of coming to my parents house with two really good college friends, getting extremely high out back and then coming in and listening to the Village Vanguard boxed set for the first time (I had probably just gotten it as a gift). Just thinking about it made me want to put it on -- only have disc 3 for some reason on my itunes. But man, the way they just hit right off with Chasin The Trane. An opener blues could be such a throwaway but the way they play it they're such a force.
― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Sunday, 4 September 2011 04:42 (twelve years ago) link
Really enjoying reading these poll threads even tho I haven't voted in any yet & probably won't...well done everybody!
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 4 September 2011 07:01 (twelve years ago) link
cheers glad you enjoyed it. Did you discover anything new?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 10:50 (twelve years ago) link
I've never heard this John Coltrane 5 star album http://allmusic.com/album/the-cats-r165664/reviewAnyone heard it?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
I heard it back when I used to own the Complete Prestige set. Don't recall it as hugely better than any of the other Prestige works; but then again, I sold the set because I realized I have little use for Coltrane's pre-Atlantic recordings (the Monk works excepted).
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 September 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
see that herbie hancock live bootlegs blog link that was posted? Just thought you all might like to know that rapidshare has no limits now. So just wire inhttp://neverenoughrhodes.blogspot.com/2008/05/never-enough-live-herbie-hancock.html
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
Although I didn't consider myself well-versed enough in jazz to vote in this poll, a big thanks to all that did since I've been looking to expand my collection and even amongst the top 20 finishers there are several I've never heard. Lots of essential stuff to seek out.
That said, I'm disappointed that the Groove Collective (Spotify link) didn't place....
― Lee547 (Lee626), Sunday, 4 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
the real question is did anyone buy a spiritual hat because of the poll?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
not yet. but you never know what will happen once i get back into my normal routine.
― mark e, Sunday, 4 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
I think my halo is sufficient.
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 4 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
I've never heard this John Coltrane 5 star album http://allmusic.com/album/the-cats-r165664/reviewAnyone heard it?i've got it as part of the side steps prestige box set, i think. probably one of the least essential coltrane-related records ... but! i said it on other threads, but I think that period is worth hearing -- especially the red garland records that trane is on. maybe coltrane at his most relaxed?
― tylerw, Sunday, 4 September 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't purchase any new spiritual hats, but i did retrieve some from the closet for future wearing. as it appears, i have a lot of hats. i also made two non-jazz-listening friends listen to IaSW last night and they liked it.
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Sunday, 4 September 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
and did they wear spiritual hats or feel the urge to go buy any?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
going over this thread and listening to nothing but jazz in the last couple days - I've realized I have very little understanding/conception of the jazz audience of the 60s. I kind of assume jazz reached its commercial/popular peak much earlier (I know Miles' best-selling albums were in the 60s, but the ubiquity of jazz as a dominant style seems undeniable for earlier eras like the 20s-40s than it does for the 60s, what with r'n'r in the picture), but as a genre the general consensus represented here is that the aesthetic/artistic peak was in the late 50s through the 60s. This is when a lot of the essential ingredients of jazz - swing, improvisation, acoustic ensemble playing - became really intensely refined. But exactly how popular was, say, a giant like John Coltrane...? I have no idea. And who bought these records? Middle-class black people, white "intellectuals"...? I can't really see Hank Mobley and Grant Green appealling much to teenagers, the whole Blue Note vibe is one of adult sophistication, for example.― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier),
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier),
my fave post on the thread. Did we ever agree on an answer?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
they had a huge collegiate audience
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
although college then was more exclusive iirc
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
rich & privileged you mean?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
maiden voyage=sailboat jazz obv
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
really digging the Lovin' Spoonful's brand of jazz on the Spotify list
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
huh?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
are they on a soundtrack album by someone?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
ahh blow-up soundtrack
one of the herbie's ive not heard. is it any cop?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
sam never did come back to this thread did he? :(
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
Deej - as someone who just generally observes this shit, i'd like to say that i wish you would vote in more of these polls
― Number None, Monday, 5 September 2011 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
never have checked out alice coltrane before. am diggin this mystical ~journey atm
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 September 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 5 September 2011 04:43 (twelve years ago) link
Which one are you listening to? "Journey in Satchidananda"?
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 5 September 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
Didn’t vote in this because, sadly, I didn’t have the time (a hundred albums? Takes time, you know), and I do feel a bit rueful about not voting, especially seeing Escalator just missing the 250 cut, but I have thoroughly enjoyed the countdown, the hilarious chat and in particular the repositioning of Grant Green at the centre of jazz history.
Given that, due to the voting demographic, the list was inevitably almost all-American, I wonder whether there’s a case for doing a “Rest of the World” poll, getting in everyone from Lars Gullin to the Necks.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 5 September 2011 08:14 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone who has the blue note covers book how is it?― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 02:15 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkjust ordered just ordered The Complete Africa / Brass Sessions for £9 on amazon.co.uk im skint now but im sure it's worth it― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 02:53 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 02:15 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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annoyed real mccoy never made it but otoh great poll! ty sean and kerr. it has already made me buy 2 records and 1 book and make a large grunting noise at how shit my local hmv jazz section is. i'm sure over the coming months i'll be coming back here for buying recommendations.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 09:08 (twelve years ago) link
new favorite jam thanks to this poll: Donald Byrd's Cristo Redentor. Been meaning to check out that album for awhile so i guess it was inevitable. Also a new fan of Electric Byrd and some Mingus stuff, so thanks dudes.
also need to see what Archie Schepp is all about. Major blind spot.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Monday, 5 September 2011 10:09 (twelve years ago) link
oh and kinda surprised not a single vote for Fat Albert Rotunda.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Monday, 5 September 2011 10:12 (twelve years ago) link
uh Shepp xp
― Cosmo Vitelli, Monday, 5 September 2011 10:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah please do check out Archie Shepp
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 11:57 (twelve years ago) link
marcello do you approve of any high placings or discover anything you haven't heard? Glad you enjoyed the poll. Wish you had voted.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
is cosmo marcello? wow i am behind in figuring out new usernames.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
Marcello posted before Cosmo, that's what Kerr is referring to.
― Tuomas, Monday, 5 September 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
oh, lol bookmarks
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 13:36 (twelve years ago) link
hah
i want my bluenote book. home delivery network are delivering it and some of my cds. hope this free amazon prime trial is worth it!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, September 4, 2011 7:01 PM (Yesterday)
I liked it more than I thought I would. I'm not a huge fan of Hancock as leader, but I liked this and was very surprised how much I liked Mwandishi.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Monday, 5 September 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
i love herbie as a leader but the blow-up soundtrack ive never bothered to check out. How does it compare to his other albums of the 60s?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
yep. 'Universal Consciousness' is too manic for me (apart from "Sita Ram")
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 September 2011 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
this poll has really reawakened my jazz love, which has been dormant for 10 years or so. have hardly listened to any, and stopped searching out for new discoveries. the spotify list is awesome to do exactly that, ty!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 September 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
got Straight, No Chaser from the library- everything else they had was just comps and katie melua boo.
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
Granny Dainger, you should really give Ptah, the El Daoud a go if you dug Journey.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
are there harps?!!?? i would so have a harp if it wasn't so bulky.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
Yes. :D
I would gladly embrace a harp in my life. Have always wanted to start a gay harp punk band.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Blue Note book and 5 cds came just now. woohoo
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Sam have a look on amazon, there's tons of albums from this list £5 or under. I bought a bunch of cd's for £3.99 each.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
Blue Note cd's under £5 ignore the norah jones etc though obviously
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
i will, in good time
― Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
haha the first few pages have used the word 'hipster' 3 times already and 'preppy' and 'ivy league' in the blue note book. I think this answers shakey's question from earlier
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
it's weird how many covers have the artists smoking ciggies on them. Never really noticed it until now.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
thank you Armand for doing this, beautiful list. great work everyone.
I hoped Dancing In Your Head would get more support. And I always thought Genius of Modern Music is the greatest Monk album(s). Did it lose points for being a compilation (is it?) or do you guys simply don't think it's as essential as Hot Fives and Hot Sevens?
― gospodin simmel, Monday, 5 September 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
cheers, glad you enjoyed it, but please don't forget seandalai did the hard work.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
right. seems like seandalai is what makes ilm going. great job
― gospodin simmel, Monday, 5 September 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
he did a great job
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
amazon only have one of the blue note covers books left in stock. If you want one order now.Still waiting on the rest of my order arriving.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
lol we sold it out?
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
So far this poll has resulted in me buying...
Criss-CrossMilestonesAttica BluesBrown RiceColtrane Live at BirdlandNatural Black Inventions: Root StrataDestination Out
...plus an Impulse! t-shirt. I'd forgotten just how cheap jazz CDs could be, clearly.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
Attica Blues is such a bizarre record, even for Shepp
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
'milestones' is underrated in the miles canon imo
― D-40, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
ive bookmarked another dozen cds on amazon at £3.99 . hope they dont sell out before i can afford them next month. I'm sure they said there was 9 bluenote books left when i ordered so did you all order it? We must really have a crazy amount of lurkers. play.com are now sold out too it says.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, mildly -- obv a lot of people think its classic
Yeah Attica Blues was the only one of my purchases I'd already heard (I voted for it too), I just realised I could really do with owning a copy (xp).
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
the blazing funk-pop opening track, the narrations from William Kunstler, some strings + warbling, oh look here's a little kid singing
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
did we ever determine who appeared on the most placing albums without placing an album of their own...? (Ron Carter?)
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
gavin, thats the same with all the cd's i bought. I needed to finally own them
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
did we ever determine who appeared on the most placing albums without placing an album of their own...? (Ron Carter?)― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier),
i dont think we did
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zLI1BYoUL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
^ is this in yr book?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
Hot Rollins on Rollins action.
― Neil S, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
I'm a little surprised that Rollins didn't pick any Cecil.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
Hank on Hank
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
I had a list of over a dozen top 100 entries I didn't have and Amoeba surprisingly had only a couple of them. I got lucky at Rasputin in Berkeley though, and listened to some of these while driving to wine country and then today in Santa Cruz, but not whole albums as my friends aren't big jazz fans.
17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' 23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out 28 Joe Henderson - Page One 31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land 34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure 53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser 60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter 68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 08:10 (twelve years ago) link
all awesome albums, think you will enjoy them all.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 11:49 (twelve years ago) link
I had a list of over a dozen top 100 entries I didn't have and Amoeba surprisingly had only a couple of them. I got lucky at Rasputin in Berkeley though
a lot of canonical jazz stuff is hard to find physical copies of - at least ime
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
You guys need to buy from amazon or get a Fopp like chain. (Tho Fopp is shit now for Jazz cds, 10 years ago it was awesome. Rows and rows of jazz cds under a fiver. )
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
www.dustygroove.com is a good place for cheapish jazz CDs (and some pricey LPs if that's your thing).
― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
my store!also jazz record mart http://jazzmart.com/
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
(not mine as in i own it or work there, just that i like to go there)
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
you own it and are loaded, admit it!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
how cheap is amazon.com compared to amazon.co.uk ?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
pretty cheap if you order from 3rd party sellers. I've recently bought these new: Page One $2.85 Mwandishi $5 Brilliant Corners and Monk's Dream $7 each (wasn't familiar with Page One, the rest I was but want hard copies)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
oh man you got a bargain for page one.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
just got a £3.75 refund from paypal for a coltrane cd i bought on ebay, but no email or anything from ebay. but i assume it's not a mistake or cancelled,but i dont want to buy it off another seller until i have proper confirmation.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of jazz dealzz http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LR5JZOi just ordered this, the complete miles/coltrane columbia box for $20. i have most of it already (don't have jazz at the plaza), but i am a sucker!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
i ordered another cd from the same seller at the same time so i hope that doesn't get cancelled too
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
tyler did you get your free mp3 too? :)
i did, yes. just suckering me into buying more things ...
― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think i've ever had a free mp3 from amazon. Anyone ever got that from amazon uk?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
I've been buying a bunch of stuff cos of this thread too, mostly whatever Blue Note stuff that I hadn't heard that I can pick-up cheaply. Enjoyed Page One a lot on the one listen so far, mostly for some of the lovely purplish hues that McCoy's playing brings to the music. Which was a nice surprise anyhow cos he's not given a credit on the front cover (sleeve notes say 'contractual reasons').
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
i really need to read sleevenotes more often, haha
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
Just picked up vol. 4 of the Coltrane impulse reissues. All I can do is look at it - the movers took away all my cd playing devices this morning. It'll just be staring at me for weeks, taunting and mocking me.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 8 September 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw
xposts: this sucker paid $120 for it back when it came out. you gots the deal o' the day tylerw! it sounds sublime. enjoy!
― quaff the spud you warbling milkbag (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 8 September 2011 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
Jazz album covers circa 1955-1965 so much cooler than pop/rock albums covers of that era
― Lee547 (Lee626), Thursday, 8 September 2011 04:45 (twelve years ago) link
poll?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
today i received my john coltrane Blue Train cd which has a bonus cd of 2 other albums 'dakar' and 'traineing in' which I got for £3.19 ppd (and its brand new and sealed not 2nd hand) on ebay . Are those 2 extra albums any cop? i think its a bit of a bargain.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
Just picked up vol. 4 of the Coltrane impulse reissues.definitely want to get the rest of these (just have the first two). why are the new ones so much $$$? first two were a bit of a steal.
― tylerw, Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
New ones are Hip-O Select. I'm guessing they're printing way fewer because these are primarily the "way out" stuff, and thus are charging through the teeth. Vol. 5 has Live in Japan, which is part of its price bump over and above Vol. 4.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
curses!
― tylerw, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
But you said you haven't bought Vol. 3 yet. That one's cheap! And packed with awesome!
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
not so cheap over here
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 8 September 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder if the jazz listening club impacted on the results here. Maybe it was a success after all. Dunno if it would be worth starting up again however.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 8 September 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
obv not :)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
Coltrane on Impulse vol 4 does look great:
ExpressionLive at the Village Vanguard Again!OmCosmic Music (with Alice Coltrane)Selflessness featuring My Favorite Things
Already have Expression and I've got LATVVA on vinyl, but haven't heard any of those last three. All pretty hard to come by on CD I should imagine. Any idea what'll be on 5?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 9 September 2011 08:12 (twelve years ago) link
I just got Money Jungle in the mail, so far I'm liking it a lot. I love how minimalist and punctuated by empty spaces Ellington's playing is. (Though I do wonder if it was merely an aesthetic choice, or whether his advanced age forced him to play that way, not being able to play that fast anymore?) Also, Roach's showcase tune ("A Little Max") is hella groovy, good thing they found it in the Blue Note vaults, since it wasn't on the original album. I love it when bebop drummers who were mostly delegated to cymbal tapping get to show off like that.
― Tuomas, Friday, 9 September 2011 08:29 (twelve years ago) link
if i had lots of money i would certainly have bought those impulse sets. As i said on the FOPP thread, i wish they were still good for jazz like they used to be. Terrible now.But since a bunch of classic Blue Note is £3.99 on amazon it's not so bad. Got a big list bookmarked and ready to buy from once i can afford more.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 10:03 (twelve years ago) link
I may have said this on other jazz threads, but my almost purely classical-loving dad was really into money jungle when I played it for him.
― Jews Did Irene (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 September 2011 11:07 (twelve years ago) link
Coltrane on Impulse Vol. 5:
Live In SeattleSun ShipTransitionInfinityColtrane In Japan
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 9 September 2011 11:30 (twelve years ago) link
but you can't listen to it to tell us how they sound?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 12:24 (twelve years ago) link
Not out yet. I can't listen to Volume 4 for several more weeks.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 9 September 2011 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
I may have said this on other jazz threads, but my almost purely classical-loving dad was really into money jungle when I played it for him
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 September 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
― Tuomas, Friday, September 9, 2011 3:29 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
he wasnt that advanced in age, and its definitely a conscious aesthetic choice -- his chops werent hurt by age & tbh he was never really a speedy player anyway? he was known for overall conceptual choices & musical ones not technique or something
― D-40, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
interesting, the classical connection w/ money ungle. a little while ago, richard brody (film ed. for new yorker) wrote:" Money Jungle, the one jazz record that gives me the same feelings as when I listen to Beethoven's late quartets." anyway, yeah, ellington was not like a virtuoso pianist (at least compared to say, art tatum), and it served him well -- he was able to adjust his style for all kinds of recording situations, from Money Jungle to the COltrane record to his own stuff.
― tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
ellington was not like a virtuoso pianist
if jazz ever gets hip to indiekids then duke ellington will be their main mann.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Anatomy of a Murder score is another good later-period Duke imo
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 9 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
TransitionInfinity
Never heard either of these and tend to get the posthumous muddled but is Infinity the one with the overdubbed strings or something?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 9 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah infinity is the one alice overdubbed strings/organ/etc on. it's cool.
― tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Hmmm, that seems to be the expensive one to buy separately. £69 on Amazon here wah!
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 9 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
wow that's a bit expensive
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
is it a japanese reissue?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Transition is amazing, one of the better quartet dates, nearly as intense as Sun Ship.
For those on the fence about the Impulse Vol. 5 set, the 2CD Live In Seattle and the monstrous(ly brilliant) 4CD Live In Japan are essential, and aren't as well served by the original LP formations as some of the other Impulse dates are.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
so so expensive
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
I saw a few copies of The Classic Quartet: Complete Impulse! Studio Recordings at Rasputin for around $40. Also on Amazon. I think from 1998, should sound fine.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 9 September 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
not heard the 4cd live in japan i dont think. I have olatunji on cd
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
no cds in mail today :(
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 10 September 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
btw who is volunteering to run the pre-1945 Jazz Tracks poll?EZ Snappin it was your idea so you want to run it?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 10 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
Why does it have to be pre-1945 jazz tracks? Couldn't we just a have a greatest jazz tracks of all time poll?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
then 1945 would get shafted as everyone votes for post 45 stuff? the reason the pre 45 tracks poll was mooted was because it wasn't an album era so was losing out in an albums poll.
But if you want to run an all-time tracks poll go for it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not going to be able to run anything for a few months, but if people want to wait and abide by whatever arcane rules I come up with then I could do it eventually. It would be pre-45 tracks only.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
IMO having a tracks poll would make sure pre-1945 stuff gets its due. It was obviously shafted here because there weren't albums then, but why would it get shafted in a tracks poll?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
Because we're all younger than 70.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
With every other genre poll there's been one for albums and one for tracks. It'd be sad if with this one there'd be no "greatest tracks of all time" poll.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
What does that have to do with anything? I could easily name 20 or 30 pre-1945 tracks I could vote for in an all-time tracks poll.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
Your experience and ability is not universal, Tuomas! Jesus!
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, but any ILX poll will obviously reflect the taste of the people who post here, which is not universal. Why should we limit a tracks poll because of that?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
feeling such love for Tuomas and his arguing ways right now
state your case big man, do the thing
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
jazz rock will maybe dominate, tuomas. All that miles & herbie and maybe spiritual hat jazz that will annoy deej
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
so yeah you might have a point..
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
i'm listening to 'karma' for the first time....
mind = blown
― seasoning sauce all over me (tpp), Sunday, 11 September 2011 12:31 (twelve years ago) link
A common reaction
― Number None, Sunday, 11 September 2011 12:39 (twelve years ago) link
i just did all my laundry and hung it up then sat down with it playing with the sun streaming in through the windows and fuck me it feels truly spiritual
― seasoning sauce all over me (tpp), Sunday, 11 September 2011 12:43 (twelve years ago) link
That is so wonderful.
― some lady (La Lechera), Sunday, 11 September 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
Thread creator had a master plan
― Agent Double O POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 September 2011 15:01 (twelve years ago) link
― Halal Spaceboy
xpost: i get this argument from people at work that know absolutely nothing about music from before they were born. it's as if they believe the world was waiting for them to be born before good music could be made. i don't get it and i guess they just don't care
― quaff the spud you warbling milkbag (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 11 September 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
Rock Hardy does not care about old jazz people.
― Agent Double O POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 September 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think William meant it like that, but it's pretty fair to say that most people don't know the pre 45 jazz as well as the post 45. And one of the reasons for that is because you don't really hear that stuff now unless you listen to radio for people over 70! Or you were one of those over 70s who were around when that music was the music everyone listened to. The whole point of the proposed pre-45 tracks poll is because jazz was about tracks back then, and those of us who know little will check out youtubes and spotify's of nominated tracks ,the same way everyone did with the 50s poll, and learn about it and vote. If you do an alltime poll then that probably wont happen so much and everyone will just vote for tracks off the albums that made this album poll.
That is why I think ez snappin's suggestion is better than the one Tuomas has asked for.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 11 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
So does ez snappin do a pre-45 tracks poll or tuomas do an all-time tracks poll?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 12 September 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
Because we're all younger than 70.What does that have to do with anything? I could easily name 20 or 30 pre-1945 tracks I could vote for in an all-time tracks poll.― Tuomas, Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:47 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkYour experience and ability is not universal, Tuomas! Jesus!― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:48 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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yeah i wish i knew ANYTHING about pre-45 but i'm not sure i could name 10 records let alone pick out some to vote for.
this weekend i bought:
shorter's schizophrenia (whoa)green's street of dreams (bobby i could kiss you)
and it didn't place but i've been meaning to get it for a while, duke's the afro-euroasian ecplise which, if you are currently jamming to money jungle because of this thread, you'll also love.
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Monday, 12 September 2011 10:32 (twelve years ago) link
need to check that one out
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 12 September 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
It's almost as good as The Far East Suite. Also, Latin American Suite is a motherfucker.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 12 September 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
oh cool, i will need to check it out then!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 12 September 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
was thinking some more about the 60s jazz audience this morning and wondering if there was a modern parallel to the cultural space that jazz occupied during that time - "serious" music, audience of primarily college kids and middle class "intellectuals", paid lots of lip service by mainstream media, perceived as "cutting edge" and then thought... oh duh, indie rock
― you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
big bands:dancing::bebop:chinstroking:::"rock and roll":dancing::indie rock:shoegazing
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
exactly
― you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
vulcan mind-meld
that one music appreciation course I took where the prof said "jazz just turned from a dance music to a chamber music" snapped so much into sharp focus for me -- that progression has been repeating for centuries
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
A while ago I started a thread where I tried to formulate that sort of change in musical genres, but it wasn't very popular:
Major musical changes and the body/brain dichotomy.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
not enough of an attention-getting thread title, should've gone with IS INDIE ROCK THE NEW JAZZ???!?!!! lol
― you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
also not getting enough attention maybe because the poll ended a while ago.
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
i prefer shakeys title and think he should start that thread
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
It's gonna take me a few more weeks to absorb everything. One that stood out was Donald Byrd's A New Perspective. The choir works surprisingly well, something you don't often hear on a jazz album.
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
Shakey Mo reckons INDIE IS THE NEW JAZZ - What current music will be the big cultural signifier of this time?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
One that stood out was Donald Byrd's A New Perspective
YESSSS I am super-stan for this album
― you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think I've heard that Donald Byrd. Choir? Really? Nice.
― Turangalila, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
jazz choir? just as loathsome as jazz harp.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
jk, i like that record. amazing cover photo too.
yeah the cover's how I found out about it to begin with
― you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
er rather the Tone Loc "homage" to it
glad to see love for that album.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
The choir works surprisingly well, something you don't often hear on a jazz album.
On a similar note, the string quartet on the Andrew Hill Mosaic Select set works insanely well. I wouldn't expect any less from Hill, but it's really incredible how the strings are worked into the arrangements.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
But exactly how popular was, say, a giant like John Coltrane...? I have no idea. And who bought these records? Middle-class black people, white "intellectuals"...? I can't really see Hank Mobley and Grant Green appealling much to teenagers, the whole Blue Note vibe is one of adult sophistication, for example.
Was just at lunch, reading an article in Wax Poetics about the 'Jamaica Kats', best known for Tom Browne's "Funkin for Jamaica". By the 60s, Jamaica, Queens had become an enclave of 'professional' blacks. Their families and parents' friends would get together on Sundays, listen to records, and debate whether or not, say, Sonny Stitt was better than Bird. One 'kat' was in 6th grade classes w/Coltrane's daughter, and awed by that connection. They knew Jackie McClean from him performing at weddings.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
I made a mix for Spotify-less friends with samples from the top 40 entries. PM if ya want it.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
has anyone heard this album? http://allmusic.com/album/windjammer-r141115
That is one stinker of a review.
http://allmusic.com/artist/freddie-hubbard-p85567/discography The mid to late 70s albums all get horrid reviews as does that album that somehow made it into the poll 'sing me a song of songmy'
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
review makes it sound intriguing tbh. never heard it.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
those mid-late 70s reviews really are bad. He must have really lost it. Guess he just about killed his reputation by then.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
sounds like the kind of thing jaxon would be familiar with
I'm kind of curious myself
― I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
well, it's sometimes hard to go by reviews during that period -- i think the penguin jazz guide has nothing good to say about those mid-70s donald byrd/mizell bros. records, but they're fantastic. whether they're good "jazz" is debatable, I guess, but i love the tunes.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I love that period of Donald Byrd, but they do get good reviews elsewhere, I'm not sure these Hubbard ones do.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, they're beloved by funk/r&b/fusion people, but for certain types of jazz d-bags, they might be insufferable.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qcVl6GNqE8
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
sounds perfectly fine to me
― I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
is freddie in a bubble on that cover? or is it shrinkwrap that he appears to be trying to burst out of?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
well as a funk guy maybe i'll dig it. I'll see if its on spotify
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
It is on spotify -- I made it exactly 1:13 into "Dream Weaver" when the backing vocals started, and had to turn it off.
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
ha yeah, it's not great.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
maybe instead of a jazz listening club ilm needs an underrated jazz funk album listening club ;)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
agree it isn't great - it's wholly unremarkable for the most part - but it isn't TERRIBLE
― I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
Are there many completely terrible jazz albums out there by otherwise half-decent artists? Don't think I've had the misfortune to encounter any so far myself.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
There are plenty of aesthetically questionable records by otherwise good players out there -- usually from the 70s or 80s by players who were at their peak in the 50s/60s, and usually in some kind of "crossover" vein and/or rock-influenced records by artists that were kind of lukewarm about the whole fusion thing. I guess you could argue that a lot of them are no worse than some run-of-the-mill jam session records.
― Jews Did Irene (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
This one is pretty bad. But i only paid 99p for it like a decade ago
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KwgwN_ZyU6k/S96PE1yyZCI/AAAAAAAAACM/wdEwTMch3rE/s1600/05-feets-dont-fail-me-now-1979%5B1%5D.jpg
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
hehe
Reviewby Richard S. GinellHerbie Hancock's electric records up until this point were marked by intelligence and adventure, even at their most earthy. But no, this one doesn't have an ounce of either. Herbie falls hook, line and sinker for the disco fad and submerges his personality underneath the plastic vocals and four-on-the-floor disco beat. Hancock's own gauzy vocals through a Sennheiser vocoder are embarrassing, and even his synthesizer work sounds coarse and gimmicky. This time, even the purists were right; this is of no interest to jazz listeners and it isn't even good disco.
by Richard S. Ginell
Herbie Hancock's electric records up until this point were marked by intelligence and adventure, even at their most earthy. But no, this one doesn't have an ounce of either. Herbie falls hook, line and sinker for the disco fad and submerges his personality underneath the plastic vocals and four-on-the-floor disco beat. Hancock's own gauzy vocals through a Sennheiser vocoder are embarrassing, and even his synthesizer work sounds coarse and gimmicky. This time, even the purists were right; this is of no interest to jazz listeners and it isn't even good disco.
Some of Secrets is quite good however.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
That was a review for Feets Dont Fail Me Now bbtw
Secrets is
Having long since established his funk credentials, Herbie Hancock continues the direction of Head Hunters and its U.S. successors here, welding himself to the groove on electric keyboards while Bennie Maupin again shines sardonic beams of light on a variety of reeds. In "Doin' It," the most successful track, Hancock makes a more overt bid for the dancefloor, for the tune is basically one long irresistible groove with a very commercial-sounding bridge. Again Hancock chooses to recompose one of his standards; "Cantelope [sic] Island" is almost unrecognizable converted into a sauntering, swaggering thing. A streamlining process has set in -- the drumming has been simplified, some of the old high-voltage drive has been muted -- yet there are still enough enjoyable, intelligently musical things happening here to hold a Hancock admirer's attention.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
I love Herbie's pop-funk period! Not quite as much as I love the Mwandishi albums, but probably more than I like Headhunters.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
you're nuts tho ;)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
Feets Don't Fail Me Now is not bad if you listen to it as a disco record and forget Herbie's jazz past. There's some pretty good disco grooves on it, especially "Tell Everybody" and "Honey from a Jar". And Secrets is one of Herbie's best funk records, I love the repetitive, hypnotic jamming on it.
For me, the biggest dud by an established jazz player that I've ever heard is this one:
http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/3906/cover_211162022010.jpg
Not any good grooves, just pointless fusion noodling, ugly 80s soft rock sounds, Miles is backed by mediocre players, and his own soloing is hardly memorable either.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 15 September 2011 07:40 (twelve years ago) link
otoh its a dope cover
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 15 September 2011 08:38 (twelve years ago) link
havent heard that album actually
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 15 September 2011 12:05 (twelve years ago) link
Inspired by this thread, I today borrowed from the library "Headhunters", Coltrane's "Bahia", Dexter Gordon's "Go" and Jimmy Smith's "Midnight Special". What do people think of the latter three?
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 16 September 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
The Jimmy Smith is great!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 16 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
Seconded. Also, just learned today that he played a B3 MIDI solo on Michael Jackson's "Bad." I don't recall that song having a solo of any kind, but wow.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
Had no idea about that either
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 16 September 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
Neil what did you think of them?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 17 September 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
I have today borrowed #63 and #21 from the library. I have compiled a list of about 20 records in the top 100 alone to check out.
― Jeff W, Saturday, 17 September 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
to save anyone having to scroll through a million posts in this thread to see what he got i'll link you to the full list Full list of ILM post-1945 JAZZ ALBUM RESULTS + post your ballots
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 17 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
Btw I would like to recommend this guy http://allmusic.com/artist/tina-brooks-p6181/discography
Should have mentioned him in the noms thread but too late now. The great news is you can listen to all his output here http://open.spotify.com/artist/4JgvfZeCWGzEPGR6yVaXuX
Tina Brooks had a short-lived career during the heyday of hard bop and didn't record for the last 12 years of his life. Nonetheless, his own records and his sessions with Freddie Hubbard, Jackie McLean, Freddie Redd, Jimmy Smith, and Kenny Burrell leave the impression that he was on his way to becoming a tenor giant when he was overcome by health problems due to drug addiction. Brooks did session work with both Amos Milburn and Lionel Hampton, but the key to his own artistry is on the Blue Note label. He led only four sessions as a leader for Blue Note from 1958 through 1961 -- during his lifetime. The first two, Minor Move and True Blue, define the weighty edge in Brooks' playing and his plethora of improvisational ideas that extended the blues framework he operated out of beyond what most players were doing at the time. His reliance on minor-key signatures and open-ended harmonic figures were much-envied trademarks among his peers. Also on Blue Note is his work with McLean and Redd, both of whom played on his recordings. Perhaps Brooks' most seminal moment as an improviser, though, was on Redd's score for Jack Gelber's Beat play The Connection, performed by the Living Theater, where the musicians played themselves as characters and drug addicts, which was close to, if not spot on, the actual truth. Here he and McLean turned the hard bop blues into an aggressive, deeply emotional wail of truth and beauty winding around each other in short bursts and long lines as Redd turned the intervals inside out for the pair to blow. Brooks work on McLean's Street Singer and Jackie's Bag in 1959 and 1960 as well as Shades of Redd are stunning also.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 17 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
Ok so in HMV I got a boxset that seemingly has everything the Miles Davis Quintet* did on Columbia between 65-68 for only £14.99? But it doesn't look like its sorted into albums and then takes but by date of recording? Plus box is stupidly annoying and doesn't quite fit all 6 discs in and out without breaking the plastic. Still, should be fun as hell.
*Wayne Shorter, Herbie, Ron Carter, Tony Williams
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
confusing
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
the miles davis live thing has been posted today by amazon so hopefully will come tomorrow
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone got it yet?
to answer your q upthread, ASR: Jimmy Smith is good but not up to that live album of his; Dexter Gordon I need to listen to more. Headhunters is the best thing I've heard in a very long time, and I'm sorry I didn't listen to it a long time ago!
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6730111/a/Miles+Davis+Quintet,+1965-68%3A+The+Complete+Columbia+Studio.htm is what i picked up today. weird hearing esp, the only record i own off of it, out of order but its still slammin'
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
Britishers: even more than usual of these charters (i.e. not just the Blue Note stuff) on CD @ £3 each in Fopp right now.
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
that is v tempting. Payday jazz binge I reckon!
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
buy this then! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Miles-Davis/dp/B002EOF7U8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1317238983&sr=8-2
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit i am in love with a man and that mans name is tony williams. the drums on miles smiles has made me gay.
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
Wait'll you hear him on the live stuff.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
omg this is the best drumming i've ever heard
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
Have spent soooo much money on jazz this past month thanks to this poll. Favourite purchases so far have been:
Joe Henderson - Page OneAndrew Hill - CompulsionJackie McLean - Destination OutSam Rivers - Dimensions & ExtensionsMcCoy Tyner - EnlightenmentAlice Coltrane - Transfiguration
― master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
what do you think of the Rivers?
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
It's great, I probably prefer it to the only other Rivers I've heard (Fuschia Swing Song). Pretty hard-driving stuff with some quite free playing around some tight sounding tunes.
― master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
Is this your 1st exposure to TW?! Such an amazing player. Don't miss Out to Lunch!
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Thursday, 29 September 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
he is the drummer on out to lunch? i love that record!
basically i need to pay more attention to band members as opposed to band leaders
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 29 September 2011 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, that's Williams, at the ripe old age of 18.
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Thursday, 29 September 2011 00:54 (twelve years ago) link
I have a question about We Insist! Freedom Now Suite: I just bought this new reissue of it, but the sound quality is quite bad. There's a lot of crackles and some distortion too, it sounds like it was ripped from a vinyl. I searched the web for some information on it, and apparently the previous CD reissue by Candid (the label that released the original album) has the same problem. Does anyone own the Candid CD, can they confirm if this is true? If it is, I wonder why... I have a couple of other reissues of albums Candid released around the same time, and they certainly don't sound as bad as We Insist. Did they lose the master tapes, or where they damaged?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 29 September 2011 07:42 (twelve years ago) link
My copy sounds fine. It has the same artwork as Candid, but is a Japanese import. The notes on the cd say "Manufactured and distributed by Victor Entertainment Inc. Tokyo, Japan from a master recording owned by Max Roach, copyright 1997. Don't know why reissues would have poorer quality. Hope this helps.
― ***, Thursday, 29 September 2011 10:19 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks for the info, I'll try looking for that Japanese import.
I guess it's possible that Candid had lost or damaged their master tape, whereas the Japanese label managed to get hold of Roach's personal master, but the new reissue was made of the old inferior Candid master instead of the Japanese one.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 29 September 2011 12:16 (twelve years ago) link
miles davis live in europe just arrived!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 29 September 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
just wanted to pipe in that this poll has probably had the most impact on my listening habits since these things have kicked off.
also Andrew Hill's "Spectrum" is an amazing tune wtf at me missing that record
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i thought it was a good and much needed poll myself. Glad others have enjoyed it as much.
Bought loads of £3.99 cds from this list. Filled in some gaps. Realised i had been relying on spotify so much for jazz esp blue note.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
received some more cds last week, this time from ebay. Anyone else still buying stuff?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't bought much (just the AMAZING new Miles live set), but am still revisiting things in my collection I hadn't listened to in a while. Gained a new appreciation for Joe Henderson, will likely be buying more Lee Morgan (only have The Sidewinder and Live At The Lighthouse).
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
i spent my monthly present to myself on a year of ring of honor tv. maybe next month.
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
still working through the Spotify list, need to make that visit to Fopp!
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
This poll is reminding me that there's a big hole in my collection in the area of "hard bop".
― o. nate, Friday, 14 October 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
that's a big hole
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 14 October 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
did you start to fill it?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 20 October 2011 11:19 (twelve years ago) link
So anyone still checking out some jazz?
― (Algerian Goalkeeper) Vs (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
I've been looking into these lately; pretty much love everything I've heard so far:
bix beiderbeckejack teagarden (not crazy about the singing, but the playing is amazing)frankie trumbauer
― nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 17 November 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
I got the last of the Coltrane reissue boxes. I really like the trimmed down Concert In Japan; I always thought the 4 disc one was a bit too much. I enjoy Jimmy Garrison but I don't need two extended bass solos, thank you very much.
Also happy to hear Infinity after all this time. Quite different, but not bad.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 17 November 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
Some "hard bop" CDs I've picked up recently:
Horace Silver - Song for My FatherLee Morgan - The SidewinderCannonball Adderley - Cannonball Adderley Quintet in San Francisco
All are quite nice. The last one wasn't in the poll, but it's highly recommended.
― o. nate, Thursday, 17 November 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
yeah basically any of cannonball's live LPs are worth grabbing -- though there are a lot of them!
― tylerw, Thursday, 17 November 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ew6HmB3GQEE/TI0dJrD7u2I/AAAAAAAAKYw/-IHWas2rPq4/s1600/cover.jpg
― weird scenes inside the gold mind (m coleman), Friday, 18 November 2011 09:49 (twelve years ago) link
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Sorry to be so late with this, but I wanted to post the following in response to the above comments:
It's just that music has been a fluctuating fanaticism with me ever since--well, ever since I first heard "The Storm" from the William Tell Overture on a TV cartoon about first grade. And riding in the car through grammar school when songs like "There Goes My Baby" would come on the radio, and getting a first record player in fifth grade, and hearing for the first time things like John Coltrane and Charlie Mingus's The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady and the Stones and feedback and Trout Mask Replica. All these were milestones, each one fried my brain a little further, especially the experience of the first few listenings to a record so total, so mind-twisting, that you authentically can say you'll never be quite the same again. Black Saint and the Sinner Lady did that, and a very few others. They're events you remember all your life, like your first real orgasm. And the whole purpose of the absurd, mechanically persistent involvement with recorded music is the pursuit of that priceless moment.-Lester Bangs, Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung: A Tale of These Times (1971)
-Lester Bangs, Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung: A Tale of These Times (1971)
― cwkiii, Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:20 (twelve years ago) link
this thread was so great, decided i would listen to these in order. on #246...though i had to skip herbie's "blow up."
― dronestreet, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
you should liveblog every album!
― (Algerian Goalkeeper) Vs (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
Nice Bangs quote. But Black Saint was recognized as something special pretty much at its release. That would be a sweet website, collating jazz criticism from the 30s through 70s.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
doing too much other stuff to liveblog...but i definitely plan to write up some reactions to discs i really enjoyed. really digging on Blues & Roots right now.
― dronestreet, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
look forward to it!
― Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Sunday, 15 January 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
I hope you still do it!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
Digging into several volumes of Duke Ellington's Private Collection series. Like pretty much all of Ellington's career, nary a phoned-in moment.
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
hahahttp://www.invisibleoranges.com/2012/03/mixtape-jazz-for-metalheads/
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:19 (twelve years ago) link
Duke's Private Collection has tons of great stuff on it. TONS.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
Wish i hadn't done this last year so i could do it this year and have something to look forward to. it was so much fun.
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #181 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #166 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #165 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 164 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes
49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #135 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #131 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #129 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #128 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #126 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes
19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #118 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #116 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1
10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #19 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #17 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #16 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
I just scrolled down the thread with my awfully slow computer. Well done people \\0// I will probably feed off this for the next couple of years.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
there's a spotify playlist for the top 250 that was available at the timehttp://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4AKL8fW8hRbxvri8KS5nCW
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
Been going through some more of this list recently, there are still 70-80 albums I haven't heard. Some of the ones I've really liked:
Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One/Tauhid/Summun Bukmun UmyunMiles Davis - Bags' GrooveEric Dolphy - Iron ManArchie Shepp - The Magic of Ju JuGil Evans - Out of the CoolYusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
im really glad people are still checking it out!
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
I am really digging Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch tonight. This thread is fucking fantastic.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 1 June 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 1 June 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
wish there was people with the knowledge of reggae or even blues to run a poll and have enough to take part in so the clueless of us could learn about it.
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 1 June 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
couldn't hurt to try
you're bored anyway
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 June 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
I know what you mean I love Skip James and Fred Mcdowell and am sure there are others like them, bring on the egg spurts. My reggae knowledge comes from buying lots of Blood and Fire reissues in the 90's but it isn't really much. We need some egg spurts with spiritual hats and now!
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 1 June 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
it has to be someone with knowledge of those genres im afraid to run it. I have no idea how many reggae or blues fans there are on ILM. But if one of them were to run a poll it would be fantastic.
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 1 June 2012 00:54 (eleven years ago) link
no idea about reggae, but i'm pretty sure we could do blues
perhaps one of the vinylists
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 June 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
probably would get a bunch of people voting for David Lynch films in the reggae poll and a bunch of people arguing that Blue Velvet isn't real reggae
― Moodles, Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
and new order fans
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
I have got some wonderful music off this thread so far. I would recommend this thread to anyone who doesn't know shit about jazz. Before this thread I had only really dug Miles, Mingus and Coltrane and never really delved much further.
Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
Hank Mobley - Soul Station
Oliver Nelson - The Blues And The Abstract Truth
Three amazing albums here.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 3 June 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
Have you checked out Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' ?
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 3 June 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
Well that will be next on my list. Thanks for that.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 3 June 2012 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
Fantastic album. Was so pleased it did so well in the poll.
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 3 June 2012 23:39 (eleven years ago) link
I am coming around to this Ole >>>> A Love Supreme idea
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
?! have you seen the Dub/Reggae threads around here? some serious heads in those
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
but yes lol David Lynch
Ole is awesome. I like the Live at the Village Vanguard stuff from later that year even better.
― wmlynch, Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
ok I've an idea cuz I'm bored at work. I'm going to go down the list and find the highest ranked album I've never heard and then spotify it.
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
btw yeah Village Vanguard live stuff is my favorite coltrane
So it's Donald Byrd - Off to the Races
meh this was a bad idea I really don't feel like listening to generic issue Blue Note hardbop right now.
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
Seriously this sounds like a million other records, don't get why it made the poll.
this is kind of coolNewk’s PicksSonny Rollins chooses 10 must-hear tenor cutsColeman Hawkins: “The Man I Love” A very exciting record: high musicality, extraordinary personnel, definitely a tenor saxophone gem.
Lester Young: “Afternoon of a Basie-ite” It’s a perfect example of his lyricism, his nonpareil sense of swing. The great Lester Young—the man who influenced generations.
John Coltrane: “Giant Steps” Establishing a new saxophone language.
Eddie “Lockjaw” Davis: “Lockjaw” One of the most underrated and unique tenor players of any era.
Ben Webster: “Cotton Tail” Also a trendsetter. His work cannot be overlooked. Important.
Dexter Gordon (with Dizzy Gillespie): “Blue ’n’ Boogie” Dexter Gordon influenced so many of the younger tenor players who followed him.
Stan Getz (with Woody Herman): “Four Brothers” Stan led in the popularity of the “white” tenor sound. And don’t forget Brew Moore.
Don Byas (with Dizzy Gillespie): “Be-Bop” The saxophone wizard. He could play anything and everything on the horn with fluidity, authority and style.
Junior Walker: “Shotgun” Junior exemplified the viability of the tenor in soul, pop and rock.
Grover Washington Jr.: “Mister Magic” Grover, one of my favorites, spearheaded the soul-jazz movement.
Made a playlist of it and listened last night -- great, but a little jarring when "Shotgun" pops up.
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
Has anyone noticed anything with the blue note albums on Spotify? As spoken about on that other thread on ilm about watermarking on UMG labels.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 3 February 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
I suppose nobody did then
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 27 June 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link
dog latin here it is
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 30 September 2013 20:30 (ten years ago) link
Thanks H!
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:27 (ten years ago) link
Just what I'm after
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:28 (ten years ago) link
I'd do a reggae poll if I knew how
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:29 (ten years ago) link
And I had the time... On day
Been listening to jazz-and-nothing-but the last couple weeks and this thread has SO MUCH I wanna check out! Damn Xmas bills will require another month or so to pay off tho. :(
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 23 January 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
The Primary Role of ILX in Your Life
― Wild Mountain Armagideon Thyme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 January 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
me too myonga. i think EOY might have extinguished the buzz, but i've been working my way through this list quite a bit.
― he drummed, pompously (dog latin), Thursday, 23 January 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
a lot of it is on herehttp://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4AKL8fW8hRbxvri8KS5nCW
― ۩, Thursday, 23 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
its a jazzy time of year again
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Saturday, 21 February 2015 04:28 (nine years ago) link
This was one of the most important threads in ilm history for me
― I, (dog latin), Saturday, 21 February 2015 11:51 (nine years ago) link
I have been having a Max Roach binge lately; Percussion Bitter Sweet, featuring the legendary Hasaan and the trio with Duke E + Mingus have been my favourite discoveries of this year so far, some incredible music.
― xelab, Saturday, 21 February 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
Love the Max 1958-59 set (3CDs, think it might be out of print, though) -- really interesting arrangements, incredibly underrated band (w/Booker Little, George Coleman).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 21 February 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0003/283/MI0003283720.jpg?partner=allrovi.com
I will look out for that it sounds interesting, it looks like it came out shortly after he died.
― xelab, Saturday, 21 February 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
I think I need to hear that, too - all the Roach I know is his work with Clifford Brown, and the Freedom Now Suite album.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 21 February 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
http://www.udiscovermusic.com/50-greatest-jazz-albums-ever50. Thelonious Monk – Genius of Modern Music vol.1 & 2.49. Count Basie – the Original American Decca Recordings48. Bud Powell – The Amazing Bud Powell Vo.147. Weather Report – Heavy Weather46. John Coltrane & Thelonious Monk – At Carnegie Hall45. Horace Silver – Song For My Father44. Grant Green – Idle Moments43. Count Basie – The Complete Atomic Basie42. Hank Mobley – Soul Station41. Charlie Christian – The Genius of the Electric Guitar40. Art Pepper meets the Rhythm Section39. John Coltrane – My Favourite Things38. Benny Goodman – At Carnegie Hall 193837. Wes Montgomery – The incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery36. The Mahavishnu Orchestra With John McLaughlin – Inner Mounting Flame35. Clifford Brown and Max Roach – Clifford Brown & Max Roach34. Andrew Hill – Point of Departure33. Herbie Hancock – Head Hunters32. Dexter Gordon – Go31. Sarah Vaughan – With Clifford Brown30. The Quintet – Jazz at Massey Hall29. Bill Evans Trio – Waltz For Debby28. Lee Morgan – The Sidewinder27. Bill Evans – Sunday at the village Vanguard26. Thelonious Monk – Brilliant Corners25. Keith Jarrett – the Koln Concert24. John Coltrane – Giant Steps23. Herbie Hancock – Maiden Voyage22. Duke Ellington – Ellington at Newport21. Cecil Taylor – Unit Structures20. Charlie Parker – Complete Savoy and Dial Studio recordings19. Miles Davis – Birth of the Cool18. Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers – Moanin’17. Albert Ayler – Spiritual Unity16. Eric Dolphy – Out To Lunch15. Oliver Nelson – The Blues and the Abstract Truth14. Erroll Garner – Concert By the Sea13. Wayne Shorter – Speak No Evil12. Stan Getz & Joao Gilberto – Getz/Gilberto11. Louis Armstrong – Best of the Hot 5s and 7s10. John Coltrane – Blue Train9. Miles Davis – Bitches Brew8. Sonny Rollins – Saxophone Colossus7. Cannonball Adderley – Somethin’ Else6. Charles Mingus – The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady5. Ornette Coleman – The Shape of Jazz to Come4. Charles Mingus – Mingus Ah Um3. Dave Brubeck Quartet – Time Out2. John Coltrane – A Love Supreme1. Miles Davis – Kind of Blue
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 4 May 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link
no ascension, no credibility.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
from the comments section; I keep forgetting anti-New Thing is still a thing:
No Brecker, Corea,, Tatum, Tristano, Marsh, Tyner?? But the woeful Ayler and Dolphy are in there? Incredible.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link
There are easily 5 or more Duke Ellington lps that are far more essential than Ellington at Newport imo.
― xelab, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 6 July 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
there is not one keith jarrett album in there. that's not ok. the sun bear concerts piss over the black saint and sinner lady. they are not always pure jazz but that's a contradictory concept anway. i never got the appeal of that mingus album.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link
what's not to get? it's loads of fun, really diverse, unlike p much any other album i've ever heard in any genre...
― (no offence to people) (dog latin), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link
TS: Sun Bear pissing vs Mingus' cats pissing
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
did you vote alex?
― Cosmic Slop, Friday, 31 July 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link
no, somehow i missed out, sorry. i shouldn't complain really, i know.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 31 July 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
remember tuomas volunteered to do a pre ww2 jazz poll?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
deej is this better?http://www.udiscovermusic.com/50-greatest-jazz-albums-ever
50. Thelonious Monk - Genius of Modern Music vol.1 & 2.49. Count Basie - the Original American Decca Recordings48. Bud Powell - The Amazing Bud Powell Vo.147. Weather Report – Heavy Weather46. John Coltrane & Thelonious Monk - At Carnegie Hall45. Horace Silver - Song For My Father44. Grant Green - Idle Moments43. Count Basie - The Complete Atomic Basie42. Hank Mobley - Soul Station41. Charlie Christian - The Genius of the Electric Guitar40. Art Pepper meets the Rhythm Section39. John Coltrane - My Favourite Things38. Benny Goodman – At Carnegie Hall 193837. Wes Montgomery - The incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery36. The Mahavishnu Orchestra With John McLaughlin - Inner Mounting Flame35. Clifford Brown and Max Roach - Clifford Brown & Max Roach34. Andrew Hill - Point of Departure33. Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters32. Dexter Gordon - Go31. Sarah Vaughan - With Clifford Brown30. The Quintet - Jazz at Massey Hall29. Bill Evans Trio - Waltz For Debby28. Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder27. Bill Evans - Sunday at the village Vanguard26. Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners25. Keith Jarrett - the Koln Concert24. John Coltrane - Giant Steps23. Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage22. Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport21. Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures20. Charlie Parker - Complete Savoy and Dial Studio recordings19. Miles Davis - Birth of the Cool18. Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin'17. Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity16. Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch15. Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth14. Erroll Garner - Concert By the Sea13. Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil12. Stan Getz & Joao Gilberto - Getz/Gilberto11. Louis Armstrong - Best of the Hot 5s and 7s10. John Coltrane - Blue Train9. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew8. Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus7. Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else6. Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady5. Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come4. Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um3. Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out2. John Coltrane – A Love Supreme1. Miles Davis – Kind of Blue
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
I know you aren't addressing me CS but this has the obligatory Ellington at Newport placing and omits 6 or 7 of his masterworks as per usual with these fucking canon lists. Just saying like.
― xelab, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
i dont know the site but a bunch of blue note artists FB pages are currently sharing this list.
No doubt there will be jazz sites with an entirely different list.
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
A love supreme is too high
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link
Also agree about the Duke thing xelab mentioned
Tokenism sucks but so do "best of jazz lists" containing, like, forty miles albums. You could do an entire "greatest albums of jazz" with nothing but ellington. i guess the ones that are most "canon" are his collaborations with post-boppers like "money jungle" and "ellington and trane" as well as "far east suite" and "ellington at newport". his compilations get shrifted. even something like "never no lament" gets talked about more than listened to! probably because he did so much and it's very easy to get fatigued. listening to all of duke's stuff is probably ultimately rewarding but is like trying to read proust or something.
― rushomancy, Thursday, 8 October 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link
listening to all of duke's stuff is probably ultimately rewarding but is like trying to read proust or something.
jesus christ
― brimstead, Thursday, 8 October 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link
his compilations get shrifted. even something like "never no lament" gets talked about more than listened to!
Never No Lament is only a compilation because the LP record wouldn't exist for another six or seven years at the time these recordings were made.
How are you measuring how much it gets listened to vs. talked about? The 78s on this set were big sellers in their day; their profound brilliance and innovation aside, they were listened to (and, significantly, danced to) constantly by millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, of people.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 October 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 10 October 2015 05:38 (eight years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34827355
Miles Davis, the trumpeter whose lyrical playing and ever-changing style made him a touchstone of 20th Century music, has been voted the greatest jazz artist of all time.The musician beat the likes of Louis Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday - all of whom made the top 10.Votes were cast by listeners of BBC Radio and Jazz FM, and revealed on pop-up radio station BBC Music Jazz.Jazz FM presenter Helen Mayhew called Davis "the epitome of cool"."Miles was at the forefront of key developments in the sound of jazz through each decade of his long career."He's also responsible for recording the biggest-selling and most universally loved jazz album of them all, the 1959 album Kind of Blue."The full top 10 - derived from a shortlist of 50 - was: Miles Davis Louis Armstrong Duke Ellington John Coltrane Ella Fitzgerald Charlie Parker Billie Holiday Thelonious Monk (8=) Bill Evans (8=) Oscar PetersonDescribing the top 10 as "the best of the best," Radio 3's Geoffrey Smith said the first three positions were all occupied by "immortals" of jazz music.He described them as "Duke, the orchestral master; Louis, the father of us all; and Miles, the essence of the ever-changing contemporary spirit."Raised in St Louis, Missouri, Davis pioneered several styles of jazz - including cool jazz, hard-bop, modal jazz, jazz-rock, jazz-funk and the use of electronics."To be and stay a great musician. you've got to always be open to what's new, what's happening at the moment," he wrote in his autobiography."You have to be able to absorb it if you're going to continue to grow and communicate your music."The first jazz musician to incorporate the rhythms of rock and roll, he became an inspiration for generations.Among his best-selling albums were the experimental, improvised double set Bitches' Brew and the meticulous, introspective Birth of the Cool, a compilation that charted his development of the cool jazz sound.
The musician beat the likes of Louis Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday - all of whom made the top 10.
Votes were cast by listeners of BBC Radio and Jazz FM, and revealed on pop-up radio station BBC Music Jazz.
Jazz FM presenter Helen Mayhew called Davis "the epitome of cool".
"Miles was at the forefront of key developments in the sound of jazz through each decade of his long career.
"He's also responsible for recording the biggest-selling and most universally loved jazz album of them all, the 1959 album Kind of Blue."
The full top 10 - derived from a shortlist of 50 - was:
Miles Davis Louis Armstrong Duke Ellington John Coltrane Ella Fitzgerald Charlie Parker Billie Holiday Thelonious Monk (8=) Bill Evans (8=) Oscar Peterson
Describing the top 10 as "the best of the best," Radio 3's Geoffrey Smith said the first three positions were all occupied by "immortals" of jazz music.
He described them as "Duke, the orchestral master; Louis, the father of us all; and Miles, the essence of the ever-changing contemporary spirit."
Raised in St Louis, Missouri, Davis pioneered several styles of jazz - including cool jazz, hard-bop, modal jazz, jazz-rock, jazz-funk and the use of electronics.
"To be and stay a great musician. you've got to always be open to what's new, what's happening at the moment," he wrote in his autobiography.
"You have to be able to absorb it if you're going to continue to grow and communicate your music."
The first jazz musician to incorporate the rhythms of rock and roll, he became an inspiration for generations.
Among his best-selling albums were the experimental, improvised double set Bitches' Brew and the meticulous, introspective Birth of the Cool, a compilation that charted his development of the cool jazz sound.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 15 November 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
fun times with deej itt
― Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Monday, 18 February 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link
i stand by my posts itt!
also btw isn't this the anniversary of ILX's number one jazz album!
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 00:05 (five years ago) link
Count Basie doesn't get enough hipster kisses
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 01:36 (five years ago) link
sarahel this thread
― Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 12:01 (five years ago) link
Alex OTM that the lack of Jarrett is a shocker - Vienna Concert is top 50 minimum.
Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard is toooooooo low.
― Your dad's Carlos Boozer and you keep him alive (fionnland), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 12:21 (five years ago) link
btw deej didn't vote so that is what antagonized a lot of people itt.
I was quite thankful for his presence as it kickstarted the convo and a lot of great music got discovered by people reading the thread due to him
― Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 12:23 (five years ago) link
I once played a Keith Jarrett trio record for my dad and he said "he's just playing warmups out of the Hanon book." Today that's kind of how I feel about Jarrett.
Forgot about this thread even though I was all over it.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 15:23 (five years ago) link
perfectly timed bump-- i just started playing drums and i'm looking for more jazz to listen to beyond the rockist canon.say what you will about jarrett but i will not tolerate any ill will towards dejohnette
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link
no ill will here toward dejohnette
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:43 (five years ago) link
not a Jarrett marcher myself tbh, find him truly abhorrent to listen to and a massively pumped up technician or something. And will stan for any '58 - '63 top vintage hard bop over most spiritual jazz, but in a controversy free manner where I don't actually post anything in response to responders and still like lots of what is classified spiritual jazz as well tbf.
― calzino, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link
it's hard to picture coltrane allowing a release with a title and cover as on the nose as this
https://img.discogs.com/U5ZOt_NtU3-_8dgQzA4q5fB0gyM=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-873261-1332868754.jpeg.jpg
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:09 (five years ago) link
not a Jarrett marcher myself tbh, find him truly abhorrent to listen to and a massively pumped up technician or something.
Yeah, I think the main reason I enjoyed those trio records in retrospect was the interplay btw peacock and dejohnette. And the solo records are a new agey snooze. The most I ever enjoyed him was on electric miles records, and I heard he didn't like playing on them. Maybe someone needed to make him uncomfortable.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/ColtraneOM.jpg
No? xpost
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:38 (five years ago) link
How did the Individualism of Gil Evans only come 323rd?! Sheesh.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
xp ha! I guess I had never seen that cover, only know Om from that compiled "works" release.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:14 (five years ago) link
Many many xps: this Blue Camel album is fantastic. The only other work of his I know is Journey to the Centre of an Egg from 2006(?), which is also excellent.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link
deej do you consider Kamasi Washington to be "spiritual hat jazz"? I haven't given him enough time but I get a bit of that vibe.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link
i expect deej will think that. He wouldn't be wrong tbf
― Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 20 October 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
Reposting this for the benefit of TT and LJ.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 23 February 2020 21:29 (four years ago) link
I should see if any more of these have been added to spotify since then
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link
Has there? I forget what was on and what wasnt.
I must own a fair few of these by now
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:41 (four years ago) link
186/250 on CD and the rest digitally.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:48 (four years ago) link
Ah Um
― ncxkd, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:52 (four years ago) link
I liked the follow up Um Yeah
― Oor Neechy, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:52 (four years ago) link
Amazing that Kind Of Blue got beaten out by so many others. I like Out To Lunch, but you know?
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 24 February 2020 10:03 (four years ago) link
Kind Of Blue isn't even in my own top 10 Miles.
I also prefer A Love Supreme to Kind Of Blue and that was only #15 in this poll.
How many of these albums do you know, dog latin?
― Oor Neechy, Monday, 24 February 2020 11:09 (four years ago) link
i know the whole top ten save for the Herbie Hancock ones which I've never quite managed to get the hang of, plus most of the top twenty.
I think it's cos KoB is so canon, and for so many other albums to place above it, well that's pure ILM isn't it? Years ago when I first was getting into jazz I dismissed KoB as 'kinda safe', a bit mellow and not as bombastic and out there as the stuff that was really turning my head, but it's now the jazz album I reach to by default and discover something new about each time I hear it.
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 2 March 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link
Canon records are kinda like this, aren't they?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Gartner_Hype_Cycle.svg/1280px-Gartner_Hype_Cycle.svg.png
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Monday, 2 March 2020 19:53 (four years ago) link
Amazing that Kind Of Blue got beaten out by so many others
yeah, amazing and wrong
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link
It’s probably my favorite jazz album. I mean, come on.
― brimstead, Monday, 2 March 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link
i will never ever ever get tired of kind of blue or stop hearing new things in it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link
I also love how I can put it on and listen to it all the way through, which is more than I can say for a lot of classic jazz albums. it's short, interesting, melodic and lays off the skronkiness that I have to be in the mood for. Out To Lunch is a really exciting listen but I really have to be in the mood to bear through the whole thing. surprised Ah Um didn't place a lot higher either.
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link
this is an excellent list of albums but very ILMish (that's one reason it seems excellent to me; jazz threads have influenced my listening for a long time) ... it's interesting to think about what kinds of jazz may have been under-represented or showed up infrequently or TOO LOW
off the top of my head:
-- early artists like Armstrong, Bechet, Ellington, Django, etc. (probably because their most innovative work was pre-LP-era)-- swing / big bands (similar reasons)-- cool / West Coast-- European jazz, specifically ECM albums-- pretty much anything post-1970s
I'm not complaining, just wondering what someone might miss if they were trying to learn about jazz from this list
― Brad C., Monday, 2 March 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link
I'm sure if you asked deej nicely he would happily tell you, lol
― Oor Neechy, Monday, 2 March 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
deej was right 2020
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
Brad C, I dont actually know the answer to your question (It was I who ran the poll btw) but I think a lot of voters, including myself, came from a rock background (even though I started listening to jazz 25+ years ago) and also probably via the canon , which is definitely weighted towards the classic Blue Note era.
I also knew pretty much fuck all about jazz post 1980 I have to say whereas the ilm jazzbos did and possibly they just got outnumbered?
As for the traditional greats mentioned they simply existed before the album era so unfortunately they would get ignored so we decided to make it post 1945 albums poll.
However Tuomas did say at the tome he would do a pre-war jazz tracks poll but it never happened but he did say last year he was still up for it so maybe he can do it this year?
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 00:25 (four years ago) link
my question is kind of silly because it wasn't the purpose of the poll to represent all phases of jazz history, just to pick favorite jazz albums, and the results were fantastic; I don't see any albums in the list I wouldn't enjoy hearing again
I'd be glad to see a pre-war jazz tracks poll, but I'd have a tough time compiling a ballot that wasn't just the usual suspects ... I doubt there are enough moldy figs lurking on ILM to really do this era justice
― Brad C., Tuesday, 3 March 2020 04:30 (four years ago) link
The entire top 20 came out between 1957 and 1973, so there's a fairly specific idea of jazz dominating the list. I'd love a post-1990 poll.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 04:57 (four years ago) link
(Not to gainsay any of that top 20. It's a great list.)
Has anybody mentioned - or seen - the recently PBS Miles David documentary?
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 05:02 (four years ago) link
I saw it. I didn't like it. Some of the early stuff was interesting, but it basically fast-forwarded from 1969 to his death, and (a major crime in my book) the 1973-75 band that made Dark Magus, Agharta and Pangaea was completely omitted. Also, the idea to have some actor read passages from Davis's autobiography in a really corny laryngitis voice should have been dumped at the first concept meeting.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:34 (four years ago) link
Yeah, over the weekend. Pretty meh. Too much territory to cover in 110 minutes so it's just shallow, shallow. And PBS bleeps the cusswords. -- xp
― Miami weisse (WmC), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:35 (four years ago) link
I wish they'd done it in two parts like HBO's Sinatra documentary - two hours to cover 1945-1968, and two hours for 1969-1991.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link
Big ol' bunch of bullshit.
― Stanley Crouch, Friday, 31 July 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link
lol hi stanley
1. what does this mean 2. "om" was a posthumous release
― budo jeru, Friday, 31 July 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
(many xps to man alive)
this bit from a Shirley Collins interview reminded me of this thread:
When I read your autobiography, you said that you didn’t like jazz when Ashley Hutchings played it for you. I have to ask what about it you dislike, if you’re okay with that. Well it just makes me fidget. I just feel so fidgety. I don’t like the way people look when they’re listening to jazz. I don’t like the way people look when they’re playing jazz. I don’t like the sound of it. I don’t like the tunelessness and the tonelessness, I can’t hear it. It just doesn’t make any impression on me at all, except to irritate me. And they wear silly hats. I know I wrote that in the book, because it’s true, I just don’t like it. I like boogie-woogie, I like Jimmy Yancey, and I love the blues, but then they go and spoil it by playing jazz (laughs). Nobody’s perfect.I can’t help it, you know? I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way about folk music, maybe it drives them nuts as well.
Well it just makes me fidget. I just feel so fidgety. I don’t like the way people look when they’re listening to jazz. I don’t like the way people look when they’re playing jazz. I don’t like the sound of it. I don’t like the tunelessness and the tonelessness, I can’t hear it. It just doesn’t make any impression on me at all, except to irritate me. And they wear silly hats. I know I wrote that in the book, because it’s true, I just don’t like it. I like boogie-woogie, I like Jimmy Yancey, and I love the blues, but then they go and spoil it by playing jazz (laughs). Nobody’s perfect.
I can’t help it, you know? I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way about folk music, maybe it drives them nuts as well.
― rob, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
meh
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link
Next time these will be the resultshttp://jazz100.sffjazz.com/top100.html
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link
^^^ needs more swing imo.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link
hey pom looks like reddit ran their own jazz poll
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/8r3zcb/the_rjazz_top_100_album_results/
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
Reddit Poll Results
With 80 Contributors nearly 2,000 votes and a total of 776 album submissions, it becomes clear that our musical preferences vary greatly. These are the top 100(ish) albums we were able to come together and agree on being something special.
-104. Takuya Kuroda - Rising Son (2014) 4 Votes
-103. We Like It Here - Snarky Puppy (2014) 4 Votes
-102. The Imagined Savior is Far Easier to Paint- Ambrose Akinmusire (2014) 4 Votes
-101. Nostalgia at Times Square - Charles Mingus (1993) 4 Votes
-100. Concierto - Jim Hall (1975) 4 Votes
-99. On the Corner - Miles Davis (1972) 4 Votes
-98. Science Fiction - Ornette Coleman (1972) 4 Votes
-97. Now He Sings, Now He Sobs - Chick Corea (1968) 4 Votes
-96. Machine Gun - Peter Brotzmann (1968) 4 Votes
-95. Speak Like a Child - Herbie Hancock (1968) 4 Votes
-94. Adam’s Apple - Wayne Shorter (1967) 4 Votes
-93. Unit Structures - Cecil Taylor (1966) 4 Votes
-92. Search for New Land - Lee Morgan (1966) 4 Votes
-91. A Charlie Brown Christmas - Vince Guaraldi (1965) 4 Votes
-90. Smokin’ at the Half Note - Wes Montgomery (1965) 4 Votes
-89. Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus - Charles Mingus (1963) 4 Votes
-88. Caravan - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (1963) 4 Votes
-87. Tijuana Moods - Charles Mingus (1962) 4 Votes
-86. Live at the Village Vanguard - John Coltrane (1962) 4 Votes
-85. Free Jazz - Ornette Coleman (1961) 4 Votes
-84. This is Our Music - Ornette Coleman (1961) 4 Votes
-83. The Blanton Webster Band - Duke Ellington (Recorded 1940- 1942) 4 Votes
-82. Earfood - Roy Hargrove (2008) 5 Votes
-81. Scenery - Ryo Fukui (1976) 5 Votes
-80. Thrust - Herbie Hancock (1974) 5 Votes
-79. Mingus at Antibes - Charles Mingus (1974) 5 Votes
-78. Let My Children Hear Music - Charles Mingus (1972) 5 Votes
-77. Tribute to Jack Johnson - Miles Davis (1971) 5 Votes
-76. The Real McCoy - McCoy Tyner (1967) 5 Votes
-75. Straight, No Chaser - Thelonious Monk (1967) 5 Votes
-74. Spiritual Unity - Albert Ayler (1965) 5 Votes
-73. Coltrane’s Sound - John Coltrane (1964) 5 Votes
-72. Page One - Joe Henderson (1963) 5 Votes
-71. The Clown - Charles Mingus (1957) 5 Votes
-70. Super Sonic Jazz - Sun Ra (1957) 5 Votes
-69. Chet Baker Sings - Chet Baker (1954) 5 Votes
-68. We Insist! - Max Roach (1960) 5 Votes
-67. The Inner Mounting Flame - Mahavishnu Orchestra (1971) 6 Votes
-66. Ascension - John Coltrane (1966) 6 Votes
-65. Point of Departure - Andrew Hill (1964) 6 Votes
-64. Go! - Dexter Gordon (1962) 6 Votes
-63. Sonny Side Up - Dizzy Gillespie (1959) 6 Votes
-62. Ella and Louis - Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong (1956) 6 Votes
-61. Birth of the Cool - Miles Davis (Recorded 1949-1950) 6 Votes
-60. Hot Fives and Sevens - Louis Armstrong (1925-1928) 6 Votes
-59. The Awakening - Ahmad Jamal (1970) 7 Votes
-58. Miles Smiles - Miles Davis (1967) 7 Votes
-57. Idle Moments - Grant Green (1964) 7 Votes
-56. Money Jungle - Duke Ellington (1963) 7 Votes
-55. The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery - Wes Montgomery (1960) 7 Votes
-54. Everybody Digs Bill Evans - Bill Evans (1959) 7 Votes
-53. Misterioso - Thelonious Monk (1958) 7 Votes
-52. Monk’s Music - Thelonious Monk (1957) 7 Votes
-51. Study in Brown - Clifford Brown (1955) 7 Votes
-50. The Quintet Live at Massey Hall - Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker (1953) 7 Votes
-49. Lanquidity - Sun Ra (1978) 8 Votes
-48. Light as a Feather - Chick Corea (1973) 8 Votes
-47. Juju - Wayne Shorter (1965) 8 Votes
-46. Empyrean Isles - Herbie Hancock (1964) 8 Votes
-45. The Atomic Mr. Basie - Count Basie (1958) 8 Votes
-44. Jaco Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius (1976) 9 Votes
-43. Journey in Satchidananda - Alice Coltrane (1971) 9 Votes
-42. Free for All - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (1965) 9 Votes
-41. Duke Ellington and John Coltrane - Duke Ellington and John Coltrane (1963) 9 Votes
-40. The Bridge - Sonny Rollins (1962) 9 Votes
-39. The Blues and the Abstract Truth - Oliver Nelson (1961) 9 Votes
-38. Workin’/ Relaxin’/ Cookin’/ Steamin’ - Miles Davis (1956) 9 Votes
-37. Ellington at Newport 1956 - Duke Ellington (1956) 9 Votes
-36. The Epic - Kamasi Washington (2015) 10 Votes
-35. Song for my Father - Horace Silver (1965) 10 Votes
-34. The Sidewinder - Lee Morgan (1964) 10 Votes
-33. Undercurrent - Bill Evans and Jim Hall (1962) 10 Votes
-32. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis (1960) 10 Votes
-31. Blues and Roots - Charles Mingus (1960) 10 Votes
-30. Portrait in Jazz - Bill Evans (1960) 10 Votes
-29. Heavy Weather - Weather Report (1977) 11 Votes
-28. Karma - Pharoah Sanders (1969) 11 Votes
-27. Getz/Gilberto - Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto (1964) 11 Votes
-26. The Complete Savoy and Dial Master Takes - Charlie Parker (1944-1948) 11 Votes
-25. 25. Milestones - Miles Davis (1958) 12 Votes
-24. Red Clay - Freddie Hubbard (1970) 12 Votes
-23. Monk's Dream - Thelonious Monk (1963) 12 Votes
-22. Soul Station - Hank Mobley (1960) 12 Votes
-21. Clifford Brown and Max Roach - Clifford Brown and Max Roach (1954) 12 Votes
-20. Speak No Evil - Wayne Shorter (1964) 14 Votes
-19. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961) 15 Votes
-18. Brilliant Corners - Thelonious Monk (1957) 15 Votes
-17. Maiden Voyage - Herbie Hancock (1966) 16 Votes
-16. Somethin’ Else - Cannonball Adderley (1958) 16 Votes
-15. In a Silent Way - Miles Davis (1969) 17 Votes
-14. Saxophone Colossus - Sonny Rollins (1956) 17 Votes
-13. Out to Lunch - Eric Dolphy (1964) 19 Votes
-12. The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus (1963) 21 Votes
-11. The Shape of Jazz to Come - Ornette Coleman (1959) 21 Votes
-10. Moanin’ - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (1959) 23 Votes
-9. Blue Train - John Coltrane (1958) 23 Votes
-8. Sunday at the Village Vanguard/ Waltz for debby (1961) 24 Votes
-7. Time Out - Dave Brubeck (1959) 27 Votes
-6. Giant Steps - John Coltrane (1960) 29 Votes
-5. Bitches Brew - Miles Davis (1970) 32 Votes
-4. Head hunters - Herbie Hancock (1973) 34 Votes
-3. Ah Um - Charles Mingus (1959) 37 Votes
-2. A Love Supreme - John Coltrane (1965) 49 Votes
-1. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1959) 49 Votes
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link
Heh, that's not as bad as I expected.
Why does Conference of the Birds never turn up in these lists? Or maybe it does and I just haven't been paying attention. Anyway, I love the shit out of that album.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
reposting the ILM 250 just so its easier to find and noone mistakes the reddit results
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link
Why does Conference of the Birds never turn up in these lists? Or maybe it does and I just haven't been paying attention. Anyway, I love the shit out of that album.― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:06 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:06 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
Nm, still too low tho.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:13 (three years ago) link
Maybe lots of folk will have discovered it since the poll?
I discovered loads of great stuff thanks to it
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link
Oh no, not again! :(
― Deflatormouse, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link
Def prefer the reddit list. I'll show myself out
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
damn 5th columnists
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
WTF at only including stuff after 1945? Big band jazz is my favorite jazz.
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 27 September 2020 07:57 (three years ago) link
It took 9 years to complain?
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 September 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link
as I already said many times Tuomas was supposed to run a pre 1945 jazz tracks poll to compliment this one.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 September 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link
I find that lists like this serve two purposes: as a cross-section of an individual or group aesthetic, and as a guide for new music to listen to. I don't see the point of complaining what's on them or not on them, make your own list if you want a mirror of your preferences.
I also wonder why some jazz fans/historians/critics feel that if you like one strand of this music, you ought to enjoy listening to old records that have nothing in common with your taste. I'm not talking about these records appearing on lists, I mean the outrage when this or that is absent or under-appreciated. Is it because this one hundred years of music is all still called "jazz"? I mean, how would extreme metal fans respond to someone shoving Chuck Berry or Yardbirds records at them, because it's all "rock"?
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
I thought a big reason why this was post-45 only was that pre-45 stuff would get lost in the shuffle. Better to separate it out and give it the attention it deserves.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
Indeed, but Tuomas didn't run it but maybe one of the people on this thread bemoaning the lack of pre 45 jazz could volunteer to run it?
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
Rude he wrote the theme tune for this board and didn't even place here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8NQgqYoVQ
― Stanley Crouch, Monday, 17 April 2023 11:57 (one year ago) link
A short rollout meant that someone had to miss out.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 17 April 2023 13:06 (one year ago) link