JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

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THANKS to all who voted. 39 ballots is more than double what I expected so thank you very very much for taking the time to fill out a ballot,it's much appreciated, and I hope you enjoy the results.

A HUGE thanks to seandalai for doing all the work and making this poll happen. Without him it would not be possible so please direct all your thanks to him!

As I'm doing a top 250 roll-out I thought I'd start today,I like to give the lesser known albums 15 minutes of ILM fame. For those who are only interested in the top 150 join us on Monday if you like, but I sure hope you hang around and check out some good albums.

I'm sure the results will be controversial as albums I was sure would be top 50 missed out on the 250, and albums I don't know got in, but it wouldn't be an ILM poll without some controversy, just play nice, ok? :)
It will certainly maintain the suspense all the way.

And now, Howard will present you with the Spirit Of Jazz to give you the results..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/mightyboosh/images/series1/ep7/ep7_4.jpg

250 - 250    Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross    359 points   4 votes  
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51si8FzN5UL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0QTVbs5gj4pbv3Je4fJ3VI
 

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

I don't have this one. Crap, I'm gonna be buying way too much jazz in coming weeks aren't I.

Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, I was thinking something similar.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

Nice way to start. Made my list. Title track is gargantuan. I love the way Monk plays these melodic little trills and ends them with an unexpected but still somehow tastefully chosen PLONK.

Spectrist, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link

I don't have it either. Will be playing that spotify.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

top 250? my goodness

will try to read along

zvookster, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

249    Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up    364 Points,   3 Votes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GGohtV3oH8A/Sn2jyJrhKCI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/8H3SBeWYuo0/s320/blowup.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3PeSy6F5JfIi7cjpqmEdKr

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

this is one of the herbies i don't have.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i don't have it either.
re: monk, it's funny -- when i first started getting into jazz people told me to avoid monk's 60s columbia records. but they're great! for the most part anyway. and the recordings themselves are wonderful, much better production values than his 50s stuff.

tylerw, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

criss cross too low!

i missed the voting thread or I would have voted sorry yall

ive never heard blow up

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

was hoping you would vote deej, hope you hang around for the results.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

next one up is one I thought might be top 100

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

248    Gil Evans - out of the cool    365 Points, 3 Voters
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417PS2X5SHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1aCRy8c7fwUsNpZM5jxqQU

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

250!?! Damn.

I'll check back around top 50 or so.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

how predictable. Dont you just hate people who only like the canon?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway i hope everyone else enjoys checking out the rest of the albums.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

har har. Don't think you want to go there again.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

i wondered why you did

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

I shoulda known better. Some things won't change.

Have fun, I'll check it out later.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

i hope you do. The countdown and comments are the best thing. Don't get the just want to know the results thing but hey-ho. Each to their own.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street 367 Points, 3 Votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J3TY1ESJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1JtqZokXUT3yXYPsAQFXso

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

thats #247 btw

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

so low!!!! that record is incredible, best Clifford Brown??

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

xxp Didn't vote for that or any Gil Evans, only know him from his work w miles, Checking it out now, it great though only a few tracks from the album are available on spottify in the us. "Where Flamingos Fly" is incredible beautiful and haunting. david Lynch vibes

dsb, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

Clifford Brown's trumpet tone was so huge

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

hey everyone feel free to predict what will be top 10 or 20 if you like. See if anyone can get close.
What all do you hope makes it?

deej what would your #1 have been?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

(just dont post your ballots)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

kind of blue if i'm feeling lazy. I'd have to think about what else but that's such an easy / true choice

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

it was tough deciding. I'd probably have a different #1 each day if you asked me over 10 days.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

246    Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots    369 Points, 4 Votes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Bluroots_mingus.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6YTb5avpSPK5ig5jBFxM8L

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

great album, would prob pick the clifford brown & monk records ahead of it though

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

This album is not available in the United States
:(
I don't know that album too well, never owned it, probably need to correct that, mainly voted for it on the basis of "Moanin'". Speaking of which, onetime we had a little thread about it
TS Moanin' vs. Moanin'

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

Actually heard a great version of that song three Mondays ago from the Mingus Big Band at the Jazz Standard which is a regular gig that I highly recommend to any one reading this thread who is in the city on a Monday night. Boris K quoted the signature "Moanin'" lick on his bass in another song, can't remember which, but it was the first or second tune and then near the end of the set Conrad H said "OK, we are going to call an audible now" at which point Lauren S started the song on its proper instrument, the bari sax.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

might be worth doing a search on spotify if albums I link aren't available, as sometimes there will be a version available to the US we don't get due to licensing.
xps

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

OK, I'll try that, thanks.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link

Right now listening to Max Roach & Clifford Brown anyway, had something else on them but never heard this album. Amazing.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

thats their best together imo

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

245 Sun Ra & His Astro Infinity Arkestra - Strange Strings    373 Points, 4 Votes
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CZ-XNOup4P0/SwIImow1TCI/AAAAAAAAAVI/d9k22slb8O0/s1600/02.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0mhRXVlIDo03GqnNCEBDjf

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

I did say some really good albums were in the lower reaches. Some really good ones didn't even make the cut!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

And I mean GOOD albums. Albums I thought might be top 100.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, so far two of mine have made it (Basin St. and Strange Strings).

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

Bet you're glad it's a top 250!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

Strange Strings is spectacular, though it's almost closer to Harry Partch than it is to "Jazz".

The only thing I know about the Blow-Up soundtrack is that it's the source of the main sample in "Groove is in the Heart".

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

243 Sonny Sharrock - Guitar 376 Points, 2 Votes
http://jazzbluesclub.com/uploads/posts/thumbs/1275211459_sonny.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4aj1w1pMSVv3O2q7yZrEjt

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

Lotta great shit down at the bottom - I love 60s Monk on Columbia.

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

That is why I did the top 250. Just because it's not in the top 50 doesn't mean it's no good. Hopefully others will check this good stuff out, I know I will be checking out the stuff I don't know.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

oops that's a tie with
TIE
243    Milford Graves - Babi    376 Points, 2 Voters 

http://www.recordmania.net/media/covers/WJF44104.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

Always meant to check Milford Graves out, shame it's not on Spotify.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

I believe Guitar was my #7.

little mushroom person (abanana), Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

next one up I was sure would be top 100

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

242    Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks    377    3
http://www.soundstagedirect.com/media/art_ensemble_chicago_message_folks.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5XvmZV63Y8OPDbD2cS0mXU

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

never heard this one before tbh - probably would have voted for it if I had

۩ (crüt), Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

thats a great album imo

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

i prefer 'nice guys' tho

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

huh, i don't think i've heard any elvin jones solo joints. is this the best one, or will we be seeing more of his stuff in the poll?

tylerw, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

well, that might be telling.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

though i dont know myself as i cant remember what's all in the 250.

He does have another album nominated though which is very good.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata 380 points, 2 Votes
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/images/covers/rahsaan-roland-kirk-natural-black-inventions-root-strata.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3ojyRBXDuMN1OJSKaFKuv9

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

need to check this one out too.

Guess I should make a playlist of all these while we go on.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

would be cool to have a playlist w/ a track from each album! or something. one big sampler.

tylerw, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

here is the playlist featuring albums so far, wish I had thought of putting this in my opening post so it wont get lost , could a mod possibly do that?
Top 250 ILM Jazz Albums Spotify Playlist

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

^ you can all subscribe to that

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

238    Sun Ra - Other Planes of There    381 Points,  3 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415XGVK48NL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

dunno this one. Any good?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

one of the real big hitters up next. If you didn't vote for it don't shout 'too low!'

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland 384 Points, 4, Votes
http://www.soundstagedirect.com/media/coltrane_live_at_birdland.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1pVLiArpS7mibit7dSQm8t

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

Hm. I meant to vote for it, voted for plenty of other Coltrane. Must have accidentally deleted it. What can I shout in that case?

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

'bollocks'?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

which is what i said as i forgot to vote for it too. Shocked it's not in top 100 but its partly my fault. Yeah i guess i listed other coltrane and somehow left this off. Obviously others did too. Always the problem with think others will vote for it...then they dont.
Anyway if you dunno this album, then play it!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

Love at birdland insanely low, grossed out that sun ra has already placed two records

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

*live

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

Live at birdland >>>>>> a love supreme

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

you don't dig sun ra? or just the 'ilm' thing about certain acts you dont like? like new order or stooges in polls.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

Thought you meant love at (for) Live at Birdland

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link

Its a thing in general we had abig debate about once how outsider/avant/weird jazz artists are overrated relative to mainstream jazz innovators in certain circles that happen to overlap with ilx (mingus and ra are both artists I love, esp mingus, but they both benefit from this and ime guys like duke and bird suffer)

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

haha yeah i thought that too

xp

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

another big name next

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

aw coltrane at birdland is in my personal top 5

 (gr8080), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

And yes I expected it to be much higher
xp

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

did you vote, grady?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust 386 Points, 3 Votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51cNufAawkL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/00Uf5PRAinCJ0oiCX1Cv2k

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

no i didnt know about this until today
xp

 (gr8080), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

Always meant to check Milford Graves out, shame it's not on Spotify.

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 2:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I can't recommend Babi enough. If there is a single, definitive "energy music" record, it's this one.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

ahh damn. The voting was open for like a month and nominations 2 weeks before that.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i hate ILM tho so

 (gr8080), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

i erm downloaded Babi Will play it soon.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

dunno this one. Any good?

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:05 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark

I love it. It has probably my single favorite Pat Patrick (aka, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick's dad) moment, on "Pleasure." The rest of it is very nearly at the level of The Magic City.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

i dont hate ilm i just never pay attention to dates on polls

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

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Hm. I meant to vote for it, voted for plenty of other Coltrane. Must have accidentally deleted it. What can I shout in that case?

― Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:22 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

I didn't vote for this only because I would've rather voted for "Live" At The Village Vanguard, but it's my own fault for not nominating that one.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

That Elvin Jones disc was recently reissued; I reviewed it on BurningAmbulance.com.

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

i erm downloaded Babi Will play it soon.

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:47 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

That record is ridiculously out of print (never seen it go for less than $80), and unfortunately Graves missed the window for putting out a potentially decent-selling reissue.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

been too busy with real life shit in recent weeks to vote, but really hoping that the soul zodiac album gets some love.

was pretty funked out to see that one listed.

[it also happened to be one of the few that i actually have listened to and loved]

mark e, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

FFS i forgot to vote for thrust. It was in my top 20 shortlist but i somehow didnt c&p it over. arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

still wouldnt have got it in the top 150 anyway i dont think. but still.
aaaaaaaaaarrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

Im wondering how a lot of the 70s disco/pop/fusion jazz stuff will fare here. My prediction is that you see stock dropping for guys like Parker and hard bop artists (clifford brown etc) while stock rises for Mingus & Sun Ra type artists (at least, relative to the traditional jazz canon). But w/ people getting into the Mizell stuff and the weirder Herbie Hancock records, I'm wondering if that stuff has made inroads at all. I kind of treat it as pop more than jazz personally (or at least 'dance') but ..yeah

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

235  Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement  387 Points, 3 Votes 
http://thebadpennyblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/les-mccann-and-eddie-harris-swiss-movement-album-cover.jpg?w=300&h=300

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

also rlly curious how the sonny rollins stuff will shake out!! village vanguard?

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

Im wondering how a lot of the 70s disco/pop/fusion jazz stuff will fare here. My prediction is that you see stock dropping for guys like Parker and hard bop artists (clifford brown etc) while stock rises for Mingus & Sun Ra type artists (at least, relative to the traditional jazz canon). But w/ people getting into the Mizell stuff and the weirder Herbie Hancock records, I'm wondering if that stuff has made inroads at all. I kind of treat it as pop more than jazz personally (or at least 'dance') but ..yeah

― D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:00

Afraid I can't answer that.
Well, I could, but y'know..

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

Would it be possible to start including the years for these albums? Just might be handy for titles some of us are unfamiliar with.

Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

if spotify went by release date it would be easier but ok, as long as someone else scrolls up and does that stuff while i get on with this. Need to google release dates now for each album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

234    Derek Bailey - Ballads  (2002)  387 Points, 5 Votes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xSpWY1epn2g/TOaWoVKwWSI/AAAAAAAAAkU/EissXG_uang/s1600/Ballads.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/509NZ5uv94HI1xp9mtdVdk

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

i dont know anything about that. anyone want 2 tell me??

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link

grossed out that sun ra has already placed two records

This is kind of why I didn't vote. I didn't want to gross out any of the real jazz fans. Well, there's more to it than that. If I find I don't like most of the genre I guess I should disqualify myself. What's the point in voting in that case?

Other Planes of There is great. I like Ballads as well.

x-post:

It's the "jazziest" Derek Bailey I've heard. Takes jazz standards and takes them apart or then veers into typical Derek Bailey style (I guess--I haven't actually heard that much of his work), but you do get at least part of a straightforward rendering before they get taken apart.

Internet Looser (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

its not that the records arent great its that sun ra will be way overrepresented

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

233  Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 points, 4 votes
http://images.bizrate.com/resize?sq=220&uid=1128457
http://open.spotify.com/album/3BM4ZseBRzpQBC2SiwvR92

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

dunno this one. Anyone?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

thats a great record but i havent heard it in a long time

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

Root Strata was my #5, great album with a clear avant influence but still really soulful and expressive.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Saturday, 27 August 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

232    Roland Kirk - Blacknuss (1972)    398 Points,  4 Votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZRMQDKMJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1OnXBqIDGKpI3Y9qugJ85p

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

Guitar is among my all-time favourite albums. It's really special.

I was never able to really get into Babi but I'll try again.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

Awfuckenright! Blacknuss is a great ablum

NickB, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

Hyped at #232 placement

NickB, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

Like, I get that it's obviously intense etc but I just haven't personally really clicked with it yet.

I really loved Ballads, when I listened to a lot of outside improv music and didn't listen much at all to standards. Now that the proportions have shifted a little, I wonder how I'd respond to it. Weirdly, it seems to be one of the CDs I packed for storage even though I could swear I intended to bring it with me to my new place. I'll try to download a copy.

xpost to myself

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

231    Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia  (1966)  402 Points, 5 Votes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/77/Nubians_Of_Plutonia.jpg/220px-Nubians_Of_Plutonia.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb73XTtbyhw

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

Need to hear Guitar again. Owned it way back but was way too much of an indie schmoo to give it a proper go.

NickB, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1962)   412 Points, 4 votes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Bill_Evans_and_Jim_Hall-Undercurrent_(album_cover).jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3b2s2A8DPISbaQNxhrEsGQ

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

Always meant to check Milford Graves out, shame it's not on Spotify.

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 2:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I can't recommend Babi enough. If there is a single, definitive "energy music" record, it's this one.

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, August 27, 2011 1:46 PM (1 hour ago)

I dl'ed this on your recommendation a while back, and it is, indeed, "all that" ... also, I totally do not pay attention to deadlines for ballot polls

sarahel, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 points, 4 votes

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:31 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dunno this one. Anyone?

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:40 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats a great record but i havent heard it in a long time

― D-40, Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:46 PM (31 minutes ago)


Another one I voted for without knowing too well. So what can you I say: you know the scene in the movie, Funny Face, say, where the characters dress up as beatniks and go in the avant-garde cafe and there are some artistes playing some quirky jazz and declaiming some poetry? Well this is what that would sound like if the music and words were provided by first-rate jazz talents like Max Roach and Abbey Lincoln and, looking at the album cover, Coleman Hawkins! Babatunde Olatunji!- and the lyrics were about something real. Well, that was my first impression when I heard it on the radio anyway.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

sweet poll so far, like all these records. ballads is really really pretty.

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

glad you're enjoying it.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

229    Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1971) 413 Points, 3 votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_G9FtQLF2VFE/SzJB-H3KhvI/AAAAAAAAAqs/3hHrFG2aCaE/s400/front.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4iWJYzYbD0S6e3I8Xzr7LR

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

good album btw

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:11 (twelve years ago) link

might have voted for blacknuss, i remember old rugged cross as amazing

should pick up ballads, i like some free improv & bailey's 1992 tv series on (mostly non-swinging) improvised music is gr8 http://www.ubu.com/film/bailey.html

the sun ra i know is ok but i love mingus and hardly think he can be overrated tbh, tho i own one record each of duke and bird, both comps, so what does that tell u

zvookster, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

228    Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954)   415 Points, 4 Votes
http://991.com/newGallery/Miles-Davis-Miles-Davis-Quart-457137.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6wjxLxMqbDzTT5QlYrtOPI

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

There will prob be a lot of Miles albums on this list if that made it, ha

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link

who will get the most entries, eh?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:26 (twelve years ago) link

Evans/Hall is the first album I've downloaded because of this list.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:26 (twelve years ago) link

227    Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (1966)  415 points, 5 votes
http://i43.tower.com/images/mm105905024/marion-brown-quartet-cd-cover-art.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

dont know that one at all

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

Guessing from the artwork it's on ESP-Disk?

NickB, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder if any jaki byard will make it (((??? maybe 'freedom together!'??))))

D-40, Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

Never even heard of Marion Brown. Must check that out.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link

Oh yeah, of course.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link

i totally recommend that marion brown quartet album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954) 417 Points, 4 votes
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/22/albumcoverMilesDavisAndTheModernJazzGiants.jpg?1198367842
http://open.spotify.com/album/5QwUkCyyFqFxzLWFX5SydM

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

need to play that one again

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link

225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 Points, 4 votes
http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/162/162545_1_f.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1xh7V9UTTezA3YDczzAGYo

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

Voted for a few Grant Greens, but don't know that one

Evans/Hall is the first album I've downloaded because of this list.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:26 PM (53 minutes ago)


Wow, this is really great.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

yeah not too familiar with it myself. Definitely heard it though, my mate has that cd. I love the cover.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

Looking at the names on that cover, this is another one for further investigation.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link

^ Indeed. Definitely will check out that one.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link

next one seems a bit appropriate!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

224    Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 points,  4 votes
http://joefarrell.jazz59.com/images/066wesmontgomeryincrediblejazzguitar.gif
http://open.spotify.com/album/5RwRaAJXxc7SULhw1Z1j0y

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link

oof low

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link

Only four votes? Too low.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:43 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i expected it to be higher, but some stuff has missed out on the 250 completely!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link

223    Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 Points, 4 votes
http://weirdorecords.com/zen/images/shep_6743.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link

taking it down to 220 tonight btw

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link

i totally recommend that marion brown quartet album
this
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:05 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark

i don't remember if i voted for this or not, but if i didn't, i'm very sorry. this is a good one!

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

blue note covers are so grebt

mookieproof, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link

222  Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963)  436 Points,  4 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/d/dolphy_eric_ironman~~_102b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0qqoAq1kzfSXEkX2b3SSrr

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link

LOVE that grant green album. the title track is one of my favorite standards, frank sinatra's vocal version kills.

expecting to see more bobby hutcherson - san francisco is only the tip of the iceberg

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link

221  Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 Points, 5 votes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Album-Ornette-Coleman-Ornette.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7BxOi2aKqOyAcOXo6EpIFl

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

Last one for the night up next

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

Recap

250    Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross  359    4
249    Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up    364    3 
248    gil evans - out of the cool    365    3
247    Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street    367    3
246    Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots    369    4
245    Sun Ra - Strange Strings    373    4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar    376    2
243(tie)243    Milford Graves - Babi    376    2
242    Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks    377    3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples    377    4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C.    377    4
239    Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata    380    2
238    Sun Ra - Other Planes of There    381    3
237    John Coltrane - Live at Birdland    384    4
236    Herbie Hancock - Thrust    386    3
235    Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement    387    3 
234    Derek Bailey - Ballads    387    5 
233    Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite    394    4
232    Roland Kirk - Blacknuss    398    4 
231    Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia    402
230    Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent    412    4 
229    Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco    413    3 
228    Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet    415    4 
227    Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet    415    5 
226    Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants    417    4 
225    Grant Green - Street Of Dreams    422    4 
224    Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar    431    4 
223    Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman    432    4 
222    Eric Dolphy - Iron Man    436    4 
221    Ornette Coleman - Ornette!    436    5  
220    Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz    440    3  

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:48 (twelve years ago) link

the trane record placement is prob the craziest to me still

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 01:55 (twelve years ago) link

and thrust and wes ...

you should see what missed out

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link

a) were you expecting ppl to vote for 20 trane albums

b) the whole premise of this poll is insane, though props to kerr for trying; it is too huge and precious few voters (eg me) have heard enough of these enough times to constructively vote

c) very looking forward to checking out some new stuff, but i don't think bitching about the rankings is gonna get us anywhere

d) sorry i hate jazz guitar (should try again) so wes/grant's placements are partially my fault

mookieproof, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link

d) sorry i hate jazz guitar (should try again) so wes/grant's placements are partially my fault

If you haven't heard Sharrock's Guitar, let me recommend it with his quote in mind: "I consider myself a saxophonist with a very fucked-up axe."

L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

Ha. Just put that on. I also like the regular, boring jazz guitar that mookieproof and hurting hate, but otherwise mookieproof otm.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

tbf to deej he's not bitching, he knows what polls are like. but i dont blame him for being baffled at the low placement of the trane album.
but it's an ILM poll, you know these things happen!

Also i think 1 or 2 did vote for (nearly) all the miles or trane albums.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

haha yes i have heard a bit of sharrock which seemed like not at all the same thing! but yeah

mookieproof, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone want to predict the top 10/20? Then we can compare the guesses when the poll is done and see who was closest.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:40 (twelve years ago) link

As somebody already said, Kind of Blue is a strong favorite for number one

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

In the top 10 (or at least top 20): Love Supreme, Kind of Blue, Silent Way, Black Saint, Evans @ Village Vanguard, Brilliant Corners, Shape of Jazz to Come, Out to Lunch. Maybe Spiritual Unity? Anyway, I expect like most polls it'll get less interesting near the top. Already d/l'd that Clifford Brown from emusic, I can tell this list is going to give me a lot to dig into.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:55 (twelve years ago) link

(So as someone who didn't vote, thanks to those who did.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 28 August 2011 02:55 (twelve years ago) link

*bookmarks thread*

remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Sunday, 28 August 2011 03:13 (twelve years ago) link

I love jazz so much and occasionally feel terrible for not listening to it that much anymore

didn't vote obv, but KoB is one of the few instrumental records out there that I can sing along to. every lick has been etched. thanks, high school band nerdery

remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Sunday, 28 August 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link

Have ended up embracing the fool's errand white elephant nature of this poll and think ILX- centric voting can only help. I like jazz and that is the kind of music I go to see most often live but, for good or for bad, I never really listened to it, um, systematically, the way I did rock music way back in the day, when I spent an entire weekend listening to every minute I could of The Beatles A-Z on WNEW-FM or would read something like Stranded over and over and try to seek out every single record in there. As somebody already pointed out, it is relatively easy to have listened to the entire recorded output of one or many of the big sixties rock bands and have an opinion, whereas with jazz the career of even Miles Davis is hard to enough to keep track of, let alone, say, Duke Ellington or all the other hundreds of important musicians, so an ILX poll is as good as any angle to try to approach it.

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link

I don't expect 20 trane records, just that particular one to do better than it did

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

219    McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/images/MT-SotNW.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1A67ghHDy13lBPPhAxUagR

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

i passed up the chance to see him once. My mate even offered to pay for the ticket

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

218    Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen    457 (Points) 5 votes
http://www.musicmookreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/baby-face-willette-stop-and-listen.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4zRa00V4pk2EfX25ivof8m

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

pleased to see this one make it!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

didn't vote for it but i do recommend it.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

and now..

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/s/sander_phar_summunbuk_101b.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

next one is for deej :)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

216  Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DNhzENDzgeU/TQ5hrsMURII/AAAAAAAAAAk/LepgXq9wtqw/s1600/Sun-Ra-Lanquidity.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

dunno that one, any cop?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

Spotify playlist updated

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

haha thats one of my favorite ra records so i cant complain abt that one too much

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

Do you know the Baby Face Willette album?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

214   Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970)  465 Points, 3 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418M4Cdo0GL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2dsmGxE74ufKZgSFpEMxel

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

213    Nina Simone - At Town Hall  (1959) 470 Points,  4 votes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Nina_Simone_At_Town_Hall.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4iqSDm2Exfy3beNaE4B7TZ

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

212    Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (19740  473 Points, 6 Votes
http://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/000/247/0000024724_350.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1zCeavwN7ZhPIGR5phKxJv

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

Really good album this, nice to see it place.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

Great poll, there's already more than ten albums I need to check out for the first time. Can't believe I slept on that Dolphy album. I'm thinking this early part is the most interesting because later we'll get to the more widely known/canon stuff.

Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

211    Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs    474 Points, 3 Votes
http://newsodrome.com/jazz_news/1970-evan-parker-derek-bailey-han-bennink-the-topography-of-the-lungs-20828587.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

Never heard that one no mult xps

The bobbi humphrey stuff is what I was wondering about earlier re fusion

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

I'm thinking this early part is the most interesting because later we'll get to the more widely known/canon stuff.

Fastnbulbous,that is exactly why i go for big rollouts, thanks! But the other end of the poll is great too!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

210    John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
http://weirdorecords.com/zen/images/12331.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6DVFU5Hn53Yk5YSLljR29J

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

who is going to say it?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

209    Jimmy Smith - Root Down    477 Points, 4 votes
http://www.krlx.org/uploads/Jimmy_Smith-Root_Down_b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0Osp1w3F3BkqxbYMuy9Hsm

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

awesome album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

and that album is beastie boys approved

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

Interesting results so far. Glad Summun Bukmun Umyun placed at all. :)

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

208    Albert Ayler - New grass  (1969)  478 Points, 4  votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NQ6ZKX7HL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7zMrveb8rim4pdPBZ238W9

Always thought of this as ILM's fave Ayler

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

Jobim's Stone Flower is wonderful, If you dont know it check it out, Probably my favorite bossanova album. its CTI, so there is definitely a 70s smoothness factor in the arrangements, but it is an excellent collection of tunes. with some really suprising arrangements/ production choices too.

dsb, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

207  Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam  (1969)  478 Points,  5 Votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZTlxMakmL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

206    Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points,  3 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hzTXdKqCL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link

Jobim's Stone Flower is wonderful, If you dont know it check it out, Probably my favorite bossanova album. its CTI, so there is definitely a 70s smoothness factor in the arrangements, but it is an excellent collection of tunes. with some really suprising arrangements/ production choices too.
--dsb

Yeah, this is a good one, and not really too smooth compared to a lot of other records he put out as a leader

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

205    Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957)   501 Points, 4 votes
http://img.noiset.com/images/album/dizzy-gillespie-at-newport-disc-4630.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/744GdhKX0hRaodxvev83Th

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

204    Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye  501 Points, 6 votes
http://www.najlepszamuzyka.pl/_var/gfx/56ea97e8c2c1cb9a372ea7db31549ce5.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4N4dY3g7Sm4mMNKwXC3ieT

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

excellent album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

damn forgot to tag the pic, can a mod fix that please?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

YAY. Not her best album, but worth it for 'Om Supreme' alone. That song is so unlike anything else she ever did and it's just so perfectly 70s.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link

211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs 474 Points, 3 Votes

TOO LOW ;_;

emil.y, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

202    Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962)   505 Points,  4 votes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_e51XckQap7E/S3QP3p6MtOI/AAAAAAAAD2Q/mO_e1NF9neM/s400/Cecil+Taylor+1962+Nefertiti,+The+Beautiful+One+Has+Come+a%5B1062%5D.jpeg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

201    Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990)   507 Points, 5 Votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DAPJ5RTWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5vXMwvBidoteqCN6APRPo9

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

deej to thread...

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

ILM just has to get an eno album in, eh?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

just leave it armand, it's not worth the hassell

zvookster, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

lmao

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

corny indie jazz fuxx

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

Love that Jon Hassell album, though I admit I have my doubts it belongs in a jazz poll.

Internet Looser (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link

200    John Coltrane - Ballads (1962)  510 Points, 5 Votes
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/1/3/albumcoverJohnColtrane-Ballads.jpg?1199357418
http://open.spotify.com/album/65iE2klct5VviQiJSq9ygF

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

Never really bothered with that album tbh

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

next one up will please Tuomas

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

199    Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4IO4mEmRGoA/SAsrqwXO9BI/AAAAAAAAB7I/FVNwZhilU2I/s320/sarah.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0bdDfiGx7Eiy1I0O3SgGrJ

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

man id love to hear that, i never have

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

iirc my parents saw her live once & it was amazing

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

198    Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974)   512 Points, 6 Votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/411VYSJEH0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5Gt5U9wyy6Ki6YdE8T8mtn

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

you can tell that is the 70s

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

197    Jimmy Smith - The Sermon  (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/24/albumcoverJimmySmith-TheSermon.jpg?1198498111
http://open.spotify.com/album/6OD5MDWh6u8ow1f384ayGz

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

196    John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues  (1962) 513 Points   5 votes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Coltraneplaystheblues.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link

Stone Flower is the second album I downloaded because of this thread. Apparently, I am mellowing out in my old age.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link

you're not gonna become one of those mellowed out jazz bores are you?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, let me light this cigar, then I'll tell you.

Fun exercise: For each piece on Ballads, listen to a performance by a canonized vocalist first, then play the Bailey version. So far, I think "Body and Soul" might work best in terms of showing the most connection between the original tune and the out improvisation.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 August 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

195    Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957)  515 Points, 5 votes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-SRYPec0ur0/TTmA0C9ld3I/AAAAAAAANEA/U2m3h74vTEA/s400/ART%252BPEPPER.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2uovPNWvIF0KQbJuf4Sxvp

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link

Nice album this

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

194    Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962)  519 Points,  5 votes
http://jeepsterdesign.com/swatchpica/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/15_1962-freddie-hubbard-hub-tones1.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6WXQu3KjFlb9Hjwzy3vyS5

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

This is a real classic

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

yeah love that

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

193    Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975)   519 Points, 7 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/h/hender_eddi_sunburst~_101b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0OBbbHk9bIj8k5DnzzQnkk

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

another classic imo

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

thats a good album

still 'incredible jazz guitar' & 'live at birdland' are better than almost all of the records (of the ones ive heard) that have listed since

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

well if you had voted then they would have been higher!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

im not sure i would have been able to do this ... it covers such a huge amt of music

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

it does, but it's fun! And the whole top 250 is full of great music.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

192    Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie  (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
http://www.miomusik.com/freddie_hubbard/ready_for_freddie_CD_large.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1WW55eOxlZCvPWJDYmhZXD

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

and that is a terrific album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes

Maybe everyone prefers their Carnegie Hall album now -- I do -- but this is TOO LOW

Brad C., Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

can't c&p today evidently

Brad C., Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

191    Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
http://storage.canalblog.com/82/35/500408/44184374_m.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

Great to see this make it too!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

for the bulk of my jazz listening days 'ready for freddie' was out of print so i built it up in my mind as some kind of lost classic. finally found a japanese import, have to say I was kind of disappointed by how regular it was, great performances & everything but I think I was imagining something incredible

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

190    Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964)  525 Points, 5 votes
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/22/albumcoverBlueMitchell-TheThingToDo.jpg?1198362921
http://open.spotify.com/album/0av5agyPuFMf5oW3nStEPM

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

always kind of underwhelmed by blue mitchell for w/e reason -- i mean hes def solid but just solid

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

So pleased to see this get in , it really is a classic bit of hard bop!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

i havent heard that record in particular tho

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

You really should!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

seems appropriate they tied

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

deej you a fan of 50s coltrane at all? or do you prefer the 60s stuff?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

187    Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958)  528 points, 3 votes
http://record.ticro.com/record/jacket/L10001187.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/05dECqC2jTJKERNKAOykqk

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

A wonderful album, a masterpiece. Check it out!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

186    Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965)  529 Points, 6 votes
http://shop.allaboutjazz.com/images/andrewhillcompulsion.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4KL9IZQdZKRj3gtR90EVp0

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

i love 50s trane.

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

185    Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/4/15/albumcoverArtBlakeyAndTheJazzMessengers-ANightInTunisia.jpg?1208297463
http://open.spotify.com/album/0oGkNKWrFghBenF0j16VVW

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

i'm curious about that Lou D. I've owned a couple of his over the years and never woulda thought he had a "masterpiece" in him....

quaff the spud you warbling milkbag (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

Plenty of the jazz guys had a 'masterpiece' in them, just that some had several and a few had a dozen (then there's miles & trane!)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

so some get overlooked. I'm really glad these albums are being introduced to people who have never heard them (including me) I'm also revisiting some stuff for the 1st time in ages.

So subscribe to the Spotify top 250 playlist that I created and enjoy!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

184    Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966)  530 Points,  6 votes
http://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/004/910/0000491047_350.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

One I voted for. I love Archie Shepp.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

183    Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points,  6 votes
http://www.israbox.com/uploads/posts/2011-01/1294284532_15.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2w8CUvLWgSw0FdQ4vE2vR5

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

Another brilliant album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

TIE
181    Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8gvtYuOL_SA/Sxvnk1q0bFI/AAAAAAAAAN8/AnZlZL2P3DY/s400/worldgalaxy.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/19CHRB8Sg7K5WRYMxllspL

181    Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
http://991.com/newGallery/Albert-Ayler-Bells-459353.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

most of these albums ive posted (that I know) i feel the urge to shout 'too low' and this next one is no exception

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
http://cover6.cduniverse.com/CDUCoverArt/Music/Large/6240801.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7GfDutks6MtlOJA7JFRe45

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

both those jackie mclean albums are classics so please check em out.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

179    Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41dQgK1fr9L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4RvpKDJOaZviOSomNRyob4

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

178    Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/9f2b70106a767c13c10674c7c7a1f7df/61423.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0ilO7avgQcUxwYhgJkZRsU

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

good album this but wouldn't say it was better than The All Seeing Eye

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

177  Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points,  7 votes
http://jazzsermon.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/02/williams-lifetime.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5eh7h0yLICXabyJMRI66B2

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

he was only 18 when he recorded this album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

dope ass album

D-40, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link

176    Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Archie_Shepp_-_Attica_Blues.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2lt1zOeMpfEPbxb8hQg80M

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

both those jackie mclean albums are unfuckwithbale, tho i might've expected to see let freedom ring place a little higher

wondering if i'm the only person who rates freddie hubbard's early CTI albums above his blue notes? we shall see

kinda weird that voters like hammond organ jazz AND "out" stuff so much, but hey unpredictability is good

i own that hassell/eno album on vinyl and have always dug but never associated it with jazz

anyway culling some excellent recommendations from this - keep em coming

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

kinda weird that voters like hammond organ jazz AND "out" stuff so much, but hey unpredictability is good

not only does that sum ILM up, but me too. i got into 60s coltrane then blue note 60s avant bop stuff then fusion/electric/rock came naturally as i loved funk and i went into free jazz then i worked my way back devouring everything i could find from about 1950-75. I really do need to go back further, hoping this poll will clue me in on new stuff, then the pre45 tracks poll ez snappin suggested in the nominations thread might happen and i'll find good stuff in that.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

ok next one up actually has a #1 vote. And it's a good album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

175    Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes,    One #1 vote
http://www.emimusic.es/images/novedades/1015/big/curtis_fuller_the_opener_300.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3eva44waMaCOJMWbbarsuH

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

When I nominated this classic I didn't expect it to get many votes, so nice one ILM!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

174    Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
http://www.cannonball-adderley.com/leadpic/1144.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2fDg4j0a74aPZMyVQ5ac11

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link

Love Somethin' Else... LOVE it. This thread is going to result in way, way too many hours of Spotify patronage.

Clarke B., Monday, 29 August 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i woulda voted fr this one

zvookster, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

how many records on a ballot?

zvookster, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

173    Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-eg-CWVHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6btV6MDYhXZ2F6ZKKUfvdh

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

You could vote up to a maximum of 100 (a lot did)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link

last two are A+++++ records (although the byrd record is more a pop album to me)

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

172    Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
http://img.noiset.com/images/album/charles-mingus-the-clown-download-45901.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2XtydLjClSxUt6uMA9Zhpb

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link

i did warn you guys there was shock low placings

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

but that's a biggie

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

yeah some of this is crazy

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

you just can't predict an ilm poll sometimes

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

seandalai is still stunned with Lanquidity placing so low

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

lanquidity is awesome but "this is how i feel" is like a thousand times awesome

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

xp - Really surprised Lanquidity wasn't at least 100 places higher - I was under the impression that it was the "crossover" Ra album, certainly the one I'd play to a first-time listener.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Monday, 29 August 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

honestly i think his 'greatest hits for intergalactic travel' comp is one of the few jazz comps that is a better introduction to an artist than any particular albunm

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

at least in terms of giving an idea of an artist's breadth

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link

xp I'll keep that in mind deej; Mingus is someone who I've wanted to get into for a very long time...

FOXBS NEWS (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 29 August 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

thats a sun ra comp -- i was talking about that vs lanquidity

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:39 (twelve years ago) link

mingus' ah um is actually a great album introduction to him, imo -- it is almost like ... each of his archetypal song types in one lp

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:40 (twelve years ago) link

169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000014KI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link

Don't know that one

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Monday, 29 August 2011 00:47 (twelve years ago) link

lmao this is getting ridiculous

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link

the best jazz albums ever + sun ra's entire discography

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link

it's a good 'un to be fair

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link

i get the feeling everyone has their own fave sun ra album and there's little consensus

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

this noah howard album is a great bit of free jazz btw

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:07 (twelve years ago) link

167    Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
http://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/000/283/0000028335_350.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/62r4UbMeVkISnWjWO0xprJ

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link

fantastic live album that. Love Lee Morgan.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link

166    Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One  561 Points,  5 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4124KBRWV8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

Is that his album of Yes covers?

Internet Looser (_Rudipherous_), Monday, 29 August 2011 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

lovely album that. Glad it placed.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

if there's anyone around i can do a few more tonight

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

if i could get to 160 tonight that leaves 40 for monday and 30 for the other days.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:36 (twelve years ago) link

I think those tuning in on a monday at work will be happier with the smaller countdown as it will be by then?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

midnight blue is so goooooood

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

164    Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points  6 votes
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/30/albumcoverMilesDavis-Walkin.jpg?1199005833
http://open.spotify.com/album/7nFwdPkEbfMUb1c5xuHGR6

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

glad this beat some sun ra, deej?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

163  Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
http://www.zonadejazz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ggs_fr.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0fsN0YALT8WGjJQALq73Ac

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

I love that cover

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

Spent some quality time this afternoon listening to Bailey, Green, Hutcherson, Art Ensemble, Dolphy, Montgomery and Roach. For a Sunday the mellower stuff from the first three worked especially nicely. Not quite in the mood for more Pharoah Sanders right now.

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:57 (twelve years ago) link

162    Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
http://53rdand3rd.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/judgment.jpg?w=497&h=497
http://open.spotify.com/album/1UTKa9k864z70CFgpoJy1f

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link

the interplay between hill & hutcherson on judgement is amazing. plus: elvin jones = classic album

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Monday, 29 August 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link

161    Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960)  580 Points,  6 votes
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2009/8/31/Eric_Dolphy--Out_There.jpg?1251754457
http://open.spotify.com/album/1RQIum14JDyvpYKD8dbKYJ

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link

could someone repost the link to the results spotify playlist? pleeeeeaze?

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Monday, 29 August 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link

Spotify Results playlist
Remember to subscribe

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

done, thanks!

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Monday, 29 August 2011 03:28 (twelve years ago) link

This is great. Sorry I didnt participate, I knew it was there, saw it for weeks/months, just couldn't get myself to actually do anything about it. Lush Life may have been my number 1. That Sarah Vaughan record is pure, my dad saw her as well, said it was the best voice he ever heard.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 29 August 2011 03:39 (twelve years ago) link

Recap -

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

The list looks pretty nice so far, I voted for these:

233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes

The Sarah Vaughan album was my #2, it's simply has incredible performances by everyone involved, particularly Vaughan herself, who does some wonderful scatting and other improvisation that doesn't sound like showing off (as scatting sometimes does to me), but feels integral to the song. The version of "Lullaby of Birdland" on this album is pretty much the definite version for me.

Glad to see Alice Coltrane's Eternity place, like Turangalila said, "Om Supreme" on it is an amazing tune, possibly the single best song she ever recorded. I wish she'd done more choral works like that. Other parts of Eternity are good too, especially the tune that (according to the liner notes) imitates the four gaits of a horse; despite the silly concept it has a killer organ groove! I was also suprised to see World Galaxy place so low, as many people (though not me) seem to think it's her best album... I guess it's partly because World Galaxy has never been reissued except in Japan? Though if it's now available in Spotify, that will at least make it easier for people to hear it.

It's also nice to Journey to One place: it's a beautiful, meditative album, despite (or because of) being much smoother than Pharoah Sanders's late 60s/early 70s work. If you've dismissed Pharoah because you think he's just an overblowing free jazz man, you should check that album out, it might change you opinion. There is some fusiony stuff on it, but parts of it are suprisingly traditional be/hard bop, and Pharoah proves he can excel in that style too.

Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 08:43 (twelve years ago) link

160    Herbie Mann - Memphis underground  (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41D-cpQmkJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0nAhB6PO2myKUZtkgSPDGB

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

Sonny Sharrock,Roy Ayers and Larry Coryell are on this brilliant album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link

the interplay between hill & hutcherson on judgement is amazing. plus: elvin jones = classic album

― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

OTM. I wish Elvin had been on more of Hill's records.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:02 (twelve years ago) link

fantastic live album that. Love Lee Morgan.

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

I wouldn't count myself a huge Morgan fan, but this record is a fucking monster. "Speedball" with DeJohnette is terrifying.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
http://blog-imgs-44.fc2.com/j/c/a/jcalife/2011070511215898a.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0oNoEAy0RMBOqwRYtkhKRb

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link

dunno, aside from a few trax, i thought that doroth ashby record was a little disappointing. not sure what i was expecting. it's cool, but most of the records below it are better!

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:19 (twelve years ago) link

if she actually played harp with her afro, that would be something

۩ (crüt), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

but first she would have to grow an afro

۩ (crüt), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

I voted for the Ashby album, it has a nice groove. But yeah, it's arguably a bit out of place in this company.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

Actually thought Dark Magus would place a little higher. Isn't the consensus that this is the best of his mid-70s live doubles?

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

156    Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes   One #1
http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/160/160334_1_f.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6Utj0CAgAWsPLFCVfaqDnB

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

^^^such a sweet record, what a great band. the keyboards on this are all time.
re: dark magus -- i dig it, it might be the record you'd recommend to Can fans or something, but it feels a little monochromatic to me overall, just bludgeoning you over and over. agharta and pangaea really show off what that band was capable of -- it wasn't all pounding, relentless stuff.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

Isn't the consensus that this is the best of his mid-70s live doubles?

No, not at all. There is no real consensus, though most people tend to pick Agharta. I'm a big fan of DM, but it's as close to metal as Miles ever got. I also like In Concert from '72, which a lot of people find weird and off-putting and too spacey.

that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

in concert is sort of the companion to on the corner right? or am i getting them mixed up.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

while we're on the topic, these '75 shows are worth your time! http://theultimatebootlegexperience2.blogspot.com/2011/08/miles-davis-1975-three-shows-live-in.html

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

No, not at all. There is no real consensus, though most people tend to pick Agharta. I'm a big fan of DM, but it's as close to metal as Miles ever got. I also like In Concert from '72, which a lot of people find weird and off-putting and too spacey.

― that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, August 29, 2011 11:40 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

I think I assumed that because of how Robert Quine used to talk about it, and how Robert Palmer's RS obit mentioned it (but not Agharta or Pagaea) as a key document/turning point. Personally, I'm on the fence between it and Agharta, but like tylerw said, they serve different purposes.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

155    Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51h8n9d-0WL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0lYz13Pd1IYa7kZVoTUlN4

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

ha, well there ya go. love this thing, such an experiential record. used to have a tape of it and it was the perfect soundtrack for driving around LA at night.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

btw listening to the spotify playlist on random (or at least i've categorized it "by album"). great stuff! thx for putting it together.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

154    Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame  (1971)  600 points, 7 votes
http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/649/cover_38361312112010.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0chWLemqlI6G1GOEr1q1bz

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

Always thought this was ILM's fave MO album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/05/611905.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0ho5QwQEbCrcMdl3aecViv

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

Inner Mountain Flame is my fave, but only 70 on my ballot. Just so many dang albums.

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think i've ever (knowingly) heard hank mobley, but that looks badass

IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Monday, 29 August 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

plus it reminds me how much i want to purchase that Blue Note album covers book. whoever oversaw their design back then was badass. it was probably hank mobley

IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Monday, 29 August 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

yeah blue notes are beautiful.
can't go wrong with mobley's late 50s-early 60s stuff. i assume soul station will show up pretty near the top? maybe not i don't know. but it's definitely one of the great hard bop records of all time.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

152    stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/10/gilberto.jpg?1197308631
http://open.spotify.com/album/5p7LZlOPMvScCXw5M77xyV

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

Mobley's Soul Station is arguably THE hard bop/blue note epitome and surely Hank's finest moment

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Monday, 29 August 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

hank mobley is brilliant and Soul Station is one of the greatest albums ever imo

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

151    Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953)  612 Points, 7 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511PVjD%2BrPL._SS500_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4dtxRpI4YLoLu5kAzht41r

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link

plus it reminds me how much i want to purchase that Blue Note album covers book. whoever oversaw their design back then was badass. it was probably hank mobley

whoa there's a book? want

remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Monday, 29 August 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

Aye, its a great looking book too.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

Recap - 250-151

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

Hope everyone is enjoying the poll so far. Enjoying all the comments so keep them coming. Always interested in hearing anyones thoughts.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

never been really able to get into jazz at massey hall, prefer the Birdland '50 parker date, with Fats Navarro, Bud Powell, Art Blakey. sound is not awesome, but listenable, and captures Parker playing some of the most amazing stuff of his career. navarro was just a week or so away from dying, but he's incredible too. something off about the performance/sound quality of massey hall that puts me off. some cool stuff, but more of an "event" than a great show?

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

the sgt peppers of jazz? ;)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

tylerw OTM re: Massey Hall. Never heard of that Birdland date! Holy crap! Will check out, post-haste.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

yeah it's less famous because it's not (to my knowledge) ever been a standalone (might only be 30 minutes of music or so). but it's on a bud powell set I have on proper, and on another parker live set called chasin' the bird. really incredible recording.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link

It's been def overhyped as greatest jazz concert ever, based on the big names. Interesting bit on Wiki - "...owing to a boxing prize fight between Rocky Marciano and Jersey Joe Walcott taking place simultaneouly, the audience was so small that the Society was unable to pay the musicians' fees."

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

TIE
149    Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes

http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/images/BC-Spec.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5JmNk3ayVaujKO5hFvU5YA

149    Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?)  618 points, 6 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vIdq12StL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/07kblmHGjZ8KmwogxMDd4q

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

the playing on Spectrum is amazing. One for the rock fans - it features Tommy Bolin on guitar.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link

Spectrum has some nice moments, but man I can't stand the hard rock guitar riffs on it.

Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

(x-post, hahaha!)

Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

^ posts completely in character hahaha

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

148    j.j. johnson - proof positive  (1964)  619 Points, 7 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41QJ5BWZ2RL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7dTSo2PZoS6W7aKny9I1hW

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

excellent album this.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't vote for that Monk album only because my own lists start at 1949. Before that, LPs didn't exist. Those Monk sides were issued as 78s, and first issued as a compilation on a 10" LP in 1951, and expanded from 8 to 12 songs on 12" in 1956. This poll doesn't include comps does it?

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

Workin is a must-hear even if you're not into 50s jazz so much - "trane's blues" is where the big guy comes into his own

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Monday, 29 August 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

that prestige box of the miles quintet is essssssential. sort of interesting -- not really similar to a lot of the stuff that was happening at the same time? at least to my ears. more delicate and deliberate than the blue note/hard bop stuff.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

This monk comp got in because people pleaded that it should be and that it wasn't a greatest hits style comp etc.

And Workin' is indeed great.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

"alabama" just came up on the spotify playlist, which is always a "stop you in your tracks" kind of song.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

lol followed up by an ad for mastodon's new album. #awkwardspotifysegues

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

TIE
145    Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes

http://jazzismylife.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/cover31.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3C2hpKCQ1C8l8F5sLAQHXe

145    Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes   
http://www.amiright.com/album-cover-themes/images/album-Herbie-Hancock-Mr-Hands.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6RvJbmTWu2vW5XRubeZeTF

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

don't know that herbie album. Seems strangely high

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

me neither -- is it disco-y?
y'know, i've never been able to get too into that jazz messengers/monk record. i should give it another try. doesn't seem as strong as both of the principals' records from around the same time.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

mr. hands isn't disco-y at all, not really like the headhunters heavy funk era either. kinda like herbie stepped back from what he'd been doing, incorporated some world music vibes. nice.

i feel the same way about the jazz messengers/monk. not an audiophile by any means but i never thought it sounded that great (performances aside)

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Monday, 29 August 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

yeah that might be one of the problems, monk's piano sounding kinda harsh?
i'll have to check out mr. hands.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

It's not that disco-y, except for "Just Around the Corner", which is an awesome piece of disco-funk-jazz. Most of it is actually pretty straightforward jazz, and it has Herbie at his most melodic, but his using a whole bunch of early-80s synths whose sound is of acquired taste. Personally, I love it! Also, it has one of the most wtf covers ever to grace an album by a mainstream recording artist.

Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

(xx-post)

Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

hee, yeah that cover is rad.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

Grant Green recorded so much high-quality music for Blue Note during the first half of the '60s that a number of excellent sessions went unissued at the time. Even so, it's still hard to figure out why 1964's Matador was only released in Japan in 1979, prior to its U.S. CD reissue in 1990 -- it's a classic and easily one of Green's finest albums. In contrast to the soul-jazz and jazz-funk for which Green is chiefly remembered, Matador is a cool-toned, straight-ahead modal workout that features some of Green's most advanced improvisation, even more so than his sessions with Larry Young. Part of the reason for that is that Green is really pushed by his stellar backing unit: pianist McCoy Tyner, bassist Bob Cranshaw, and drummer Elvin Jones. Not only is Green leading a group that features one-half of the classic Coltrane Quartet, but he even takes on Coltrane's groundbreaking arrangement of "My Favorite Things" -- and more than holds his own over ten-plus minutes. In fact, every track on the album is around that length; there are extended explorations of two Green originals ("Green Jeans" and the title track) and Duke Pearson's Middle Eastern-tinged "Bedouin," plus the bonus cut "Wives and Lovers," a swinging Bacharach pop tune not on the Japanese issue. The group interplay is consistently strong, but really the spotlight falls chiefly on Green, whose crystal-clear articulation flourishes in this setting. And, for all of Matador's advanced musicality, it ends up being surprisingly accessible. This sound may not be Green's claim to fame, but Matador remains one of his greatest achievements.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

this one is great - m favorite things works surprisingly well with guitar. doesn't hurt to have coltrane's band behind him of course.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

Just dropping in to say that this has been an amazing list so far. Lots of stuff that I know and love, but just as much that I haven't really listened to much, so I'm extra psyched that it is all going into Spotify. Thanks all!!!

Moodles, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

yeah spotify is making this a pleasure.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

thirded -- am really enjoying knowing that it is all there on spotify for those times when i have time to go through it

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Monday, 29 August 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

143    Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
http://ring.cdandlp.com/splash/photo_grande/114030344.jpg

http://open.spotify.com/album/6BZmB3e4cPEBkCX7nTVMpP

Dunno this album, but it gets 2 stars on AMG

This is a strange LP. Trumpeter Freddie Hubbard and his quintet (which consisted of tenor-saxophonist Junior Cook, pianist Kenny Barron, bassist Art Booth and drummer Louis Hayes) is joined by a chorus, a string orchestra, several reciters, an organist and a variety of processed sounds emanating from tapes. The thoughts expressed in the music (topical and anti-war messages) are quite sincere but the abstract sounds will only be enjoyed by a limited audience; jazz fans should look elsewhere.

I think,like MR. Hands, Tuomas nominated it.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

I remember tuomas playing a track from it in outloud and it was nice. That was the first I had heard of it, but it seems a few of you do. Will check it out later.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
http://image.musicimport.biz/sdimages/disk17/658758.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4KI0kC5rANmc5YeXyNshDr

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

This is a really good album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

wtf @ random hubbard album

thats gotta be from these dudes nominating harp jazz and sci fi record covers right

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

it's not an ilm poll without huge albums being left out completely,finishing low,some bizarrely low and some weird inclusions, is it?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes

you guys are nuts placing that over Hub-Tones!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

141    Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975)  633 Points, 6 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51p-UiZMwvL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6r01XL7XUvSTK4p6M7bmbC

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

xxxp because harp jazz is not Real Jazz, right? o_O

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 29 August 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't nominate Songmy, but I voted for it. Probably not as "classic" as some other Hubbard albums, but it's unlike anything I've ever heard, and that counts for something. The intro alone is a brilliantly creepy piece of experimentalism, though I think we have to thank Ilhan Mimaroglu (the producer of the album) more than Hubbard for all the weirdness.

Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

you guys are nuts placing that over Hub-Tones!

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, August 29, 2011 1:58 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and ready for freddie!!

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

it's not an ilm poll without huge albums being left out completely,finishing low,some bizarrely low and some weird inclusions, is it?

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, August 29, 2011 1:54 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

more like its not ilm without extra credit given to albums that are 'weird' in genre polls

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

tijuana moods is pretty wild -- the spoken stuff gets out there. liner notes are hilarious too, in usual mingus style.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

"ilm post-1945 jazz albums that do not feature anything weird poll"

Spectrist, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

not just genre polls...'o superman' winning 1981 poll

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 29 August 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

Who said anything about "extra credit"? The album placed at #143 (and it was #60 in my ballot), it's not like we voted it to top ten or something.

Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

"ilm post-1945 jazz albums that do not feature anything weird poll"

― Spectrist, Monday, August 29, 2011 2:21 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who said anything about 'not featuring anything weird' ... im talking about 18 sun ra albums making a list that has 'live at birdland' near the bottom of the 250

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

o superman is great!!! (can't believe the o superman argument has spilled over into this poll thread lol)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

Don't worry Deej, I'm sure there'll be much more Coltrane than Sun Ra in the actual top 100.

Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

i voted for this, one of my fave HH albums, admittedly it's more a funk album, but hey

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

Tijuana Moods was one of my top picks. I think I nommed that, too.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 29 August 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

138    Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969)  637 Points, 6 votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-SRYPec0ur0/TOJ5wtU8-PI/AAAAAAAAMZ4/KZ9QwDpjn3U/s400/Pharoah%252BSanders%252B%25281969%2529%252BJewels%252Bof%252BThought.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

Kinda disappointed at that one placing so low; it's arguably even better than Karma (which suffers from a weaker second track, unlike Jewels of Thought).

Tuomas, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

I voted for Jewels of Thought although it was the lowest-ranked of the four Sanders albums in my list.

Really enjoying the poll so far by the way - not got around to posting before now but have been busy noting down/listening to some of the many albums I've not heard. Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata has impressed me the most so far but also really enjoyed Brown Rice and Stone Flower. So much beautiful cover art on the thread already too.

Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link

137    Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/images/covers/john-patton-let-em-roll.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6GikhGod1ea9wJLMdX7Fk7

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

Classic!!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

brown rice is a great record, so is the rollins

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

oh man i love sonny rollins
awesome cover

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

yeah way out west is a cool example of taking what seems like a pretty questionable concept and making amazing music anyway. love the spareness of the trio sound here, rollins doesn't need a piano to sound huge.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

i remember reading some interview with the photographer of the way out west cover and him saying that through the whole shoot rollins was like "are you fucking kidding me." you can kind of see that in his expression. but then later he told the photog he loved the end result.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

Haha, that's funny. Such a great record.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

next one is dedicated to deej

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
http://www.musicbazz.com/sites/default/files/1722-1313074001.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

sun ra feat. charles mingus - celebrating krautrock

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

"One of the things I used to love about buying records was that thing where you just can't get hold of the stuff you want- like now, where people go round every dance shop in London, or every indie shop in London for some American import, until finally you find it, and it's like - 'YES! I've got it!' And then that record really becomes a part of your life. And I used to get that with Sun Ra. I got really into that sort of way-out avant-garde jazz, but you couldn't find his records anywhere. So, one day I was in a jazz shop in Chicago -which I think is where Sun Ra came from - and I said, 'have you got any Sun Ra?' The guy says, 'Yeah, all his stuff.' I said, 'give me everything.' 'Everything?' 'Yeah.' He comes back with 250 albums. Most of which I've still got in that room over there, still in the shrink-wrap."

-- Pete Townshend, picking this as one of his 10 favorite records

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

134    Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BApIdqirL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5Xe3jzd5GQMGVOrvTW1pUQ

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

BRILLIANT album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

Sounds like it was Jazz Record Mart Townsend spoke of. I wonder what year that was!

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

^ I was thinking the same thing! My guess is around 1967. He has also said that he listened to Heliocentric Worlds while writing the songs for My Generation, so he probably had that one Ra record, then tried to find all the others.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

133    Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/d/davis_miles_sorcerer1_101b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/55tHsdolIq77ph1iiepCJt

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

132    Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513V4ZRAJNL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3x38mYlwkm6L6vYIn0Hzqk

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

votes?

little mushroom person (abanana), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

huh! thought that one would place higher. lives up to the hype -- totally fucking magical.

tylerw, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

it didnt tell me the votes

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

oh man, much too low

Brad C., Monday, 29 August 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

6 votes btw

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

131    Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/23/albumcoverFreddieHubbard-RedClay.jpg?1198408924
http://open.spotify.com/album/3rbGfGoXGh1pFkzyehRJww

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

i thought that one would be higher

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

like top 20

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

129    John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
http://www.alwaysontherun.net/coltrane/kulu.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0Dmh6U7qIYFgdV417ijubH

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

Another ILM fave I thought

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

128    Bobby Hutcherson - Components  (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
http://21.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kojxtpkXKm1qzn195o1_500.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3I384qOJvXmO8z1s3PqImP

CLASSIC

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

really recommend this album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

127    Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/21/2183/NFPCD00Z/posters/bacon-paul-thelonious-monk-monk-s-music.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

I need a poster of that cover. Isn't it great?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

that's from 1966

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

just ordered the blue note covers book. half tempted to spend all the money i own on all these records.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

i bought live at the lighthouse the other day! £3 in a charity bin. cover is ratty as shit but it still sounds crisp.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

sorry for not voting, never noticed this was going on until now. but its ok deej, i wouldnt have voted for sun ra.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

125    Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61JbqURizlL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3PNdqbnqRHlHqfV2O93M7m

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

Hey winston! Thought the jazz world had lost you!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

124    Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points,  6 votes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Porgy_and_Bess_(Miles_Davis).jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5TZUz4IkdUZY8i1cnbaAHz

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

guess who is next up?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

Kevin Eubanks!

IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

kenny g?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

I should limit my snark to Tonight Show-era Kevin Eubanks. I've heard he was actually not bad before that?

IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

123    Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NXNFKPYHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1h7NtOd5fdBQEjJbB9Wk2B

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

haha miles dominating the list is ok w me i suppose

porgy & bess too low imo but thats a personal fav of mine

D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

Will take it through to 120 tonight

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

Would have thought Getz / Gilberto would be much much higher.

dsb, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz2me8OInA1qbqs44o1_500.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6Rdz45YhjBSLIt3pTlpwM9

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link

#122

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link

2 more tonight

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link

121    Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2504/4015072177_a7f56c201c.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0EjZrppt6J0Y24HcZhwQzC

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

Superb album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

want to guess who is the last one for tonight?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:18 (twelve years ago) link

120    Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
http://991.com/newGallery/Sun-Ra-Nothing-Is-447125.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link


Recap 250-120

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link

Good thing I didn't guess

Don't ask for the steening, ask for the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

Quite a lot of albums you thought would be higher then?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 06:48 (twelve years ago) link

When I first started collecting jazz in the early 90s, I picked up a used copy of Len Lyons' The 101 Best Jazz Albums (1980) as a reference. I knew it was just scratching the surface, but even after 20 years, several hundred albums and many other references, I had still not encountered some of the artists that are popular here, like Grant Green, Bobby Hutcherson and Big John Patton. This is a great way to discover new stuff -- I think my top 100 will be transformed after this poll is completed. I leave for vacation Wed, and will be packing a lot of jazz on my player, and plenty to look forward to catching up on the next week!

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 13:51 (twelve years ago) link

118    Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51gUi2%2BSc8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/56I4vUYWQ4aXLiyfo8XuZv

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

117    Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Matador_(Kenny_Dorham_album).jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0X0CjMhSUs8trANtrSCbrQ

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

its a tie with:

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

That Kenny Dorham cover is rad.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

TIE
115    Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes

http://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/001/486/0000148654_350.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/66CAtljsOdCUxSiEtiNy9h

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

good album that

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

114    John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747    7 votes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MkvR9RYpWvw/R7NdXxIECHI/AAAAAAAAALk/jAHqI5yjlhQ/s320/First+Meditations.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link

What the fuck is that cover?

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

I'm sure I've seen that with a normal tasteful Impulse cover.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe not, sorry. Maybe that's just Meditations.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

That picture doesn't even look like Trane (or is it supposed to be someone else?)

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

That was my 13th. Wonder if I'm the only one to rate it a bit higher than Meditations. This was the third after Oh Yeah and Sarah Vaughan in my top 40 to appear.

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

well there's this one
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41V2819P8DL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
which is a later recording of most of the same material.
the "first" meditations (quartet version) was released posthumously, i believe. trying to get psychedelic...or something.

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

First Meditations was released in 1978, I believe. Hence the crappy cover. Great record, though; fascinating to hear Meditations with just the unaugmented quartet.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

The difference is that First Meditations was recorded 9/2/65, and Meditations was recorded 11/23/65 with Pharoah Sanders and Rashid Ali.

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

Never heard First Meditations despite ranking Meditations proper um, quite highly on my ballot. That cover stopped me from ever picking it up in record stores tbh.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

i must admit im unfamiliar with it too

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link

they're both great -- first meditations is better imo.

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

Dudes. It's the very last recording made by the classic Coltrane quartet. Whether you think it's better than the later version or not, it's essential!

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

112    Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
http://storage.canalblog.com/14/06/500408/29452842.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4Ngkptf4tipkoTOIjoF2kW

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

such a big album...I voted for this.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

i forget if i did or not. I cant remember my ballot at all so if there's a lack of 'i voted for this' it's probably because i forgot if i did or not.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

That's the one Shorter Blue Note I haven't heard. I'm reasonably certain Super Nova is on my ballot, though.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

111    Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
http://www.collectorshowcase.fr/IMAGES2/bn_6304.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6uF5FWBpktRA9OAdC0mMZI

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

A real masterpiece this album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

110    Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes 
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KDBb8Cf_vM0/SxMHxB0tCYI/AAAAAAAAADA/RzezkMR43vc/s1600/LouDonaldson.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3t30iLOTupVo9r3J5lJtm4

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

good album this and it's a great cheeky cover!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

109    McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7  votes
http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/images/MT-Exp.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

super album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

would buy that rubik's cube

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

108    Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZS3yxkqJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1qxketIip4Mbqb2TglxPuY

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

Surprised this one beat the older (the better ones at least) albums tbh

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

Love this album so much.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

106    Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
http://deadleafonafence.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/waltz-for-debby-19611.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/34IpO0C1HTqI64fmPi3OyU

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

(should have been one post, those last three)

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

105    Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/r/ra_sun~~~~~_cosmicton_101b.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

deej will be chuffed to bits

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

Now that I've resolved my html problems, is there a way to see your history when listening to Spotify in shuffle mode or any mode) once you shift playlists? I just heard something cool with some kind of flamenco sound and castanets and a female vocalist and now I don't know what it was.

Actually I went to look at what it was and hit some button by accident which played something else.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

last.fm?

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link

I don't have Spotify, but my guess is Mingus, "Ysabel's Table Dance"

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

the advantages of scrobbling right here

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, that was it. Thanks, Fastnbulbous.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, it's probably Ysabel's Table Dance from the awesome Tijuana Moods album. Also, Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy is an awesome album title & probably Sun Ra's best.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

104    Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2  (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
http://images.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drg300/g398/g39866ig9ta.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3ZmQWhX0ASCJImWjdrucCA

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

Also, Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy is an awesome album title & probably Sun Ra's best.

Best album title or best album?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

Both. :)

That Jackie McLean album is probably his best, too, imo.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

Cosmic Tones is definitely one of Ra's best. Ridiculously ahead of its time.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

How many Sun Ra is that now? I cba checking that and how many Miles & Trane albums are in so far as I have #103 to post

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

103    Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes,  One #1 
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/a/ayler_alber_albertayl_101b.jpg
Tho I suspect everyone was voting for http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Y42KD5AFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://open.spotify.com/album/2XluGSERaQXvER7reSsGeP

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

that's my fave ayler.

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

the "complete" set, i mean...

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, it's a lot of peoples fave

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

My #1 vote. It gets to me on a physical level that no other jazz album reaches, I rarely ever listen to more than a couple of tracks in one sitting because I'm floored after the first one.

Also wow at that hippy-dippy psychedelic artwork, it makes even less sense than the dubious puppet cover on the 2-CD version.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

I actually think it makes more sense, at least from an old-fogey-record-company-dude-in-the-60s way: "The kids today, they like the swirly far-out letters!" That puppet, on the other hand, is random to the point of being insulting to Ayler's memory.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

both shit covers anyway - pity given the stellar artwork dominating the countdown hitherto.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

102    Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cLI19EXK2oU/S-7HNrwbFwI/AAAAAAAAAmk/CdTL2e8dGfs/s1600/66644.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2XOQztLkohDDWZH8DEECkQ

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

His first Blue Note lp and a beauty it is.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

I've never listened to Andrew Hill, what am I missing

A genius is what you're missing!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i need to get more andrew hill and more jackie mclean.

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

everyone needs to

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

Definitely start with Andrew Hill's Point Of Departure.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

101    Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nmjS6fd9kfU/TEFpidILfaI/AAAAAAAAALw/0rV_zP4M8cs/s1600/folder.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5142jRc6IrvsI7F6V7tUy2

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

Excellent record.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

it is indeed

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

Posted a mod req to get the title changed to alert everyone the top 100 is about to commence, so while i do the recap and then get #100 ready to post, perhaps people could post what they've really liked from 250-101 so those who haven't been following so far due to not liking big polls can check out some great music

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

Recap 250-100

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

100    Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1FfeEq4IS8I/SsdSGT9BgsI/AAAAAAAADPU/vD8K8vy0T7o/s400/cover.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

a certai.n poste.r wil.l b.e please.d

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

For a long time I thought Theme de Yoyo contained the line "your body's like common birth oozing from its skin" and that made no sense that I wanted to countenance. Good album.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link

Good way to usher in the top 100.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

Great record although it's the only AEoC album I've heard - will be checking out Message to Our Folks for sure.

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

Another great record!

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

99    Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9  votes
http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/miles-davis/album-esp.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4AeaLfaovthnN1rO3OrMNH

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

so is every single Miles album going to place or what

(love the expression on his face on that sleeve btw)

I love both of their expressions -- it's such a strangely unflattering picture of both of them.

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

a bunch of stuff on my 25-album long ballot has already placed - including Les Stances of Sophie which is probably my favorite AEoC record behind Message to Our Folks. amazing band, kind of love everything I've ever heard by them

Didn't Frances say that they had a huge fight right before or right after that photo was taken? xp

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

both of their faces seem to be saying "can you believe this shit?"

i love ESP, might be my favorite second quintet album -- really great, beautiful sounding recording. kind of a more relaxed vibe than the others.

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

Miles appears to be using E.S.P. on her and she is all like, "Go ahead, read my mind."

Brad C., Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

i nearly bought esp the other' day but it had a gnarly looking scratch on it :( thought about it just for how cool the cover is.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

Never really gotten along with ESP, find it quite a difficult listen.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

None of the second quintet studio stuff made my ballot, partly because I'm not familiar with the album formations (just have the box); but also, their live stuff is where I felt they did their best work, and the Plugged Nickel box, which would be on my short list for greatest things of the 20th century, wasn't eligible.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

98    Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 votes
http://www.afterhours.co.kr/upfile/artf.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link

^^^badass

Yeah, that's excellent.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

What's the title referring to btw?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

846 votes!!

۩ (crüt), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

hahaha

846 points

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

8 votes

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

I def don't like everything the art ensemble did but these last two are great. I hope"nice guys"makes it.

D-40, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

a certai.n poste.r wil.l b.e please.d

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, August 30, 2011 8:30 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^___^

I actually haven't heard any of the other AEoC albums. Should definitely rectify that.

emil.y, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

I highly recommend:
Baptizum
People in Sorrow
Message to Our Folks

ooh and
Reese and the Smooth Ones

Urban Bushmen also pretty fun

If you can find it, the "Art Ensemble 1967-68" box is wall-to-wall stunning.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

Are u ignoring nice guys bcuz you haven't heard it, to troll me or bcuz you are rong???

D-40, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

Such a bummer that ECM took their catalog off spotify

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

>>> baptizm imo

D-40, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks for the recommendations, guys, will check them out.

Was going to ask if we were tracking #1s but I've just had another look at the recap and there are some logged. Will be interesting to see what gets the most.

emil.y, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

Are u ignoring nice guys bcuz you haven't heard it, to troll me or bcuz you are rong???

I haven't heard it. I'm just recommending albums of theirs I really like.

if I'd ever seen a copy of Nice Guys I probably would have bought it

97    Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ab/9a/8bbc225b9da0606b47d8f010.L.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1lDtUlOPGKp56gQ24MvmNG

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

Brilliant album and probably his best of the pre-funk albums

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

title track on that is ridic, some sort of competition between the players on who could play the slowest. i think joe henderson wins, because he sounds totally chill and totally tense at the same time.

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

Haha, tylerw that is such a great observation. Indeed, great album.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

joe henderson guest spots are the best, he totally steals the show on "song for my father" too

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

96    Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519uCx4ioyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6FSgsN5ROADI1YQOieljKD

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

95    John Coltrane - Sun Ship    859 Points, 9 votes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XmZYtzQJAcc/Thd3JXmuQbI/AAAAAAAAAYs/vwXpmEfdqvQ/s1600/assd.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4eB1EydPfKodz77kKS2Khh

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

^ opening track is one of my all-time fave Coltrane recordings.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

yeah it is pretty heavenly

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

William if you're reading this could you change the title so it says the top 100 is counting down please? Otherwise some people wont click on it

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

94    Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
http://www.covershut.com/covers/Duke-Ellington-Ellington-At-Newport-1956-Front-Cover-30446.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0tHfUPQwdystxD41YUZ9cm

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

title track on that is ridic, some sort of competition between the players on who could play the slowest. i think joe henderson wins, because he sounds totally chill and totally tense at the same time.

― tylerw, Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:30 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Haha, tylerw that is such a great observation. Indeed, great album.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:33 PM (38 minutes ago)


Yes, this is spot on.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

93    Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_l2FFgW8KVL0/SpJWWHiudRI/AAAAAAAABD4/JL99EiupKZ0/s320/Sonny_Sharrock_AskTheAges.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

:)

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

teno madness is OK, but not mindblowing to me. wish there was a tape of the miles band w/ both coltrane and rollins -- that'd be something.

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

Seconded.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link

91    Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/images/covers/herbie-hancock-empyrean-isles.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5HCi1WVOT9SGks2deeceFu

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

Do you guys want 30 each on weds,thurs & friday ? or 10 more tonight and 40 on weds and the last 40 on thursday?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

Emp Isles would have been my #1 if I had voted.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

drag it out imo

little mushroom person (abanana), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

Don't stop. After #1 you can go 251-1,000 :)

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

so you all agree on it finishing friday? I thought people at work hated polls finishing on friday as they miss the end.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

ok 30 each day it is then

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

Recap 250-90

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3

Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4

Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5

votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes

90-61 Wednesday
60-31 Thursday
30-1 Friday.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link

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Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link

some really great albums up tomorrow so make sure you all check in

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

This is a tour de force of a thread. Bravo.

B-Boy Bualadh Bos (ecuador_with_a_c), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, agreed! it's also functioning as a poll of top miles davis and john coltrane albums, but that's cool. in between those, i'm finding a bunch of new stuff to queue up for the winter!

IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link

glad you're enjoying it!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 09:56 (twelve years ago) link

Can we have more results?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 09:57 (twelve years ago) link

sun ship & ask the ages = TOO LOW. should have voted...

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 10:00 (twelve years ago) link

hmmm americans won't be up yet tuomas.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 10:14 (twelve years ago) link

What do you think of the results so far Tuomas?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 10:43 (twelve years ago) link

i'll start again today at about 1pm

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:18 (twelve years ago) link

just want to make sure people are around and posting

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:19 (twelve years ago) link

i love this thread. ilm + jazz = perfection

mark e, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:23 (twelve years ago) link

found any albums you like from this poll?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:26 (twelve years ago) link

90    Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool  (recorded 1949-50)  898 Points, 9 votes

http://open.spotify.com/album/3wG8DcAJVgr7sbWNvKanzS

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:03 (twelve years ago) link

tuomas?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:30 (twelve years ago) link

Never really gave Birth of the Cool a chance. I was put off by the title.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:55 (twelve years ago) link

89    Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904    10 votes
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lam2whdmqk1qcxlvko1_500.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/391Mrqd3vAzEg8jnPwzEFH

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:59 (twelve years ago) link

Just catching up to yesterday's posts, but I'm going to play my only "TOO LOW!" on Waltz for Debby/Sunday at the Village Vanguard. Seriously figured at least one of those for top 20. So maybe Everybody Digs will be the top Evans pick?

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

Wtf "i ws put off by the title" its a jazz subgenre

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

I'll cosign sunday at the vv being too low

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

The complete Sunday/Debby box that came out a while back is totally essential.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

It was a joke, deej.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

88    Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hLY9DmXXlH4/TBzpeosWCMI/AAAAAAAAB6M/oqCPpKMwHFk/s1600/l8752.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1RmFQt2sOrHvtYcCF94Z9b

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

that was only the 18th Miles Davis album to appear so far in the 250

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:16 (twelve years ago) link

I'll be grazing here and there in the Spotify playlist for the next few days -- listing to Noah Howard now.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

87    John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
http://991.com/newGallery/John-Coltrane-Crescent---180gm-508966.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0O6WxKmmQsjIrSkXh8qH0d

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:22 (twelve years ago) link

Alright, I give in - who is this John Coltrane guy who keeps popping up? Another obscure experimental funk ilx favorite?

IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:27 (twelve years ago) link

That is the 10th Coltrane album to appear in the countdown

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link

oh and Sun Ra has 8

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

I'd be interested to see at the end who turns up on the most albums without having an album of their own on the list (i.e., which sidemen are most prominent).

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

ron carter or maybe billy higgins

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

i never gave birth of the cool a chance either. was put off by the music. nefertiti otoh is amazing.

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

Birth of the Cool is straight classic except for the final track with the vocal, which sorta ruins the mood imho

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

no Chet Baker eh :(

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

love that inbetween a small group and big band texture of the nonet or whatever it was on BotC

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

ron carter or maybe billy higgins

yeah I would think it's gonna be either a drummer (philly joe jones? elvin?) or a bass player (def Ron)

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

85    Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
http://img.logpi.jp/FBBF89C0-38F4-11DF-8379-B6035CF189A3_o.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/12pnhpbOmlqxhg3VL73TMR

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:41 (twelve years ago) link

<3

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

#19th

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

huh thought Crescent might be the one that superhip jazzbos might place higher than love supreme or something.
classic record, i voted for it. also voted for love supreme though.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

84    Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
http://jazzbluesclub.com/uploads/posts/thumbs/1210165195_cover.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/77HTYfnaNbWd395myo1oMK

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

listening to crescent for the first time right now, very nice. softer than most of the quartet stuff i've heard.

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

Crescent was my top Coltrane pick.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

John, that is. :)

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

yeah crescent is perfect, super moody, even for coltrane. lonnie's lament is my fave i think.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

Was expecting to see Tauhid place higher than that. Some great Sonny Sharrock stuff on that one.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

I'm learning a lot in this thread. For instance, had no idea that Clifford Jarvis worked outside of Sun Ra's groups.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

talking of which...

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Q7W96GJVL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

you only need to utter his name once and he turns up on an ILM poll..

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

#9 of the poll for mr ra

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

has sun ra been sampled a lot/anywhere?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

82    John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes  One #1
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/Shz3qmk4oPI/AAAAAAAACr8/8IIWPlUx3UU/s400/John+Coltrane+-+Stellar+Regions.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5HbLIgbhn9mLW8bZ6zKfgM

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link

11th for Mr Coltrane

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link

has sun ra been sampled a lot/anywhere?

MF Doom, Wooden Shjips... I'm sure there's others

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

i bet every other record in this poll has been sampled to shit

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

Doubt anyone has ever sampled Noah Howard's The Black Ark, though that would be fucking awesome. I'm glad other people voted for it.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

Crescent rating lower than Stellar Regions is kinda crazy. Only 8 votes? I wouldn't rate it his best, but definitely in his top 4-5.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

81    Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9LDgV0lN__U/TMmS1RpUO3I/AAAAAAAAAiI/GTu5CFAlsJY/s1600/Monk+dreams.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5VTlqV8lZH3YspQ1cDcjrL

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

Love this album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

Me too.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

that's how tough culling my ballot was when that monk album didn't make my 100

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link

Crescent rating lower than Stellar Regions is kinda crazy. Only 8 votes? I wouldn't rate it his best, but definitely in his top 4-5.

― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday
really? i always thought crescent was very nice but not exceptional, and they're not really comparable, but for my money i LOVE stellar regions....i didn't vote but i'da voted for just about any Monk, Rollins or ornette, and zero ra (who i useda listen to pretty extensively). who cares

quaff the spud you warbling milkbag (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

I thought i voted for 3 or 4 ra but i musta cut 3 as i only had 1 on my ballot in the end

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

80    Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/miles-davis/album-miles-smiles.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0tbR9i5NTey4b0QZxZ3xa2

(rofl at the wrong album artwork on spotify)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

would love to see "thelonious himself" place. not looking likely now after two of his more celebrated records have already made it.

charlie h, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

An album with two #1's up next

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

79    Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
http://3brainkarnakinterloper.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/alice-coltrane.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3D20vh7NKhKnEoKz6FuwAW

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

no doubt two people will moan it's too low..

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

tbh that is shockingly low

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

I like that one, but Journey in Satchidananda is superior imho. UC has some more dissonant/out there moments, I guess.

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

wish you (and others) had all voted, although you would all vote for different things and cancel each other out and placings would remain the same.

or sun ra would fill up the top 10 completely

xp

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

not just two people

i bet every other record in this poll has been sampled to shit

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:51 (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is weird because sampling as a general opportunity only really existed within about a 10 year gap between ppl learning to do it and ppl getting sued for doing it. so they got through all the great funk records and were starting to move onto jazz/soul/anything before you had to start paying up. so it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of these records haven't been sampled at all even if they could all be flipped into something else worth hearing in a different context.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

I am one of those two people Kerr refers to. Universal Consciousness is fucking transcendent on so many levels. Hearing Rashied Ali battling it out with Alice on the organ makes you think "Things can't get better than this" but then THE STRINGS KICK IN and everything is right with the world.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

a hoy hoy OTM re: sampling

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

i remember hearing a bunch of rap songs with jazz samples years ago.
if someone ever says 'funky funky' during a herbie hancock track again im gonna hit them with a cricket bat

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

but then THE STRINGS KICK IN and everything is right with the world.

string sections in jazz? smh at this fool

unless that string section is john mclaughlin

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

Beautiful, piercing string sections that sound like SWORDS.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

there are plenty of songs with jazz samples (even as early as the late 80s) but the genre didn't get mined nearly as deeply as 70s funk+rock tracks did due to the legalities involved. Blue Note was all over that shit - so much so that they had their own "ALL SAMPLES LICENSED EXCLUSIVELY FROM BLUE NOTE VAULTS" project (ie this pinnacle of "jazz rap" lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ira3LoZiTWc

xp

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

string sections in jazz? smh at this fool

jazz is full of string sections fyi

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

is that one where some twat says 'funky funky'?
xp

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

I believe it is!

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

*shudders*

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

Beautiful, piercing string sections that sound like SWORDS.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), den 31 augusti 2011 19:59 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol a perfect description. not enough string sections arranged by ornette coleman in jazz

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

The strings in "Oh Allah" = one of the most beautiful things ever. Alice's string arrangements were so unique and never just... frosting.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

and Guru's jazzmatazz etc. the approach was fairly high profile for a couple years but it dead-ended quickly and by the mid-90s sampling was already getting strangled via legalities so sampling jazz records kind of dried up as a wholesale approach. I'm sure producers still mine certain records for particular sounds (snare hits, etc) but no one's looping Hank Mobley records afaict

xp

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

sonderangerbot, actually - the strings on UC weren't arranged by Ornette. Ornette only transcribed the strings of the title track, but Alice arranged it all.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

strings in jazz can be great, even if they're not batshit crazy like in alice coltrane's stuff or ornette's. the charlie parker with strings album is pretty lovely, even though some jazz cats loathe it i think. same goes for the clifford brown strings album.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

78    John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/c/coltra_john_coltrane~_101b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0TpLOjblGPWIGjZbjCKRNW

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

xp ah you're right, always thought he wrote them as well

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

STILL going to go on complaining that as laptops make it super easy and sticking it on the internet make sample laws pointless, it sucks that no-one has gone back to that style.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link

strings in jazz can be great, even if they're not batshit crazy like in alice coltrane's stuff or ornette's. the charlie parker with strings album is pretty lovely, even though some jazz cats loathe it i think. same goes for the clifford brown strings album.

― tylerw, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:05 PM (24 seconds ago)

Or like some of Rahsaan Roland Kirk's strings! Especially on Prepare Thyself to Deal With a Miracle.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

^^^Coltrane is off the hook fantastic. ha, so many great coltrane albums. the opener, out of this world, is maybe my favorite extended coltrane performance, just incredible forward motion rush.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

I know jazz is full of string sections & I like plenty of them but I generally like my jazz less arranged

Have you heard Universal Consciousness, crut? Seems to me like something you'd dig.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

tyler otm

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

this thread has made my knowledge of jazz seem so naive

thinking of just deleting everything on my ipod and just having this list instead

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't actually - I probably would!

yeah the strings on UC aren't of the "let's make this music more palatable for the mainstream" variety -- not by a longshot.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link

77    Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/d/davis_miles_cookinwit_101b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7jJehBSw44CijLhPaPKmTE

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

Stan Getz' Focus is my fav jazz w/strings album

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

what Miles album WON'T make it? Waterbabies?

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

I guess having 100 slots on the ballot made it easier for people to vote for e.g. 20 Miles albums, though I can't actually remember how many people did this.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link

what Miles album WON'T make it? Waterbabies?

― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:22 PM (7 minutes ago)


My new prediction for number one is Tutu.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

this thread has made my knowledge of jazz seem so naive

thinking of just deleting everything on my ipod and just having this list instead

― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:11 PM (19 minutes ago)


Yup. I'm not posting on the Jazz D-bag thread again until I have listened to that whole spotify playlist multiple times.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

ive never posted on that thread. as a non-muso i dont feel qualified!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

76    David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2758/4483658568_60e1225e1c_o.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

never heard of that one. what's the deal

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

My new prediction for number one is Tutu.

Ssh!

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

An accessible way in for people who don't like their jazz too outside but want to be able to say they like some Anthony Braxton, is part of it. Thing is, the heads are great and the playing's great, too.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

I take that back -- I'm relistening now and Braxton and Rivers are not taking any prisoners.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

also lol i guess i did buy esp! haven't listened yet to see if that crazy scratch has destroyed it or i got bargain miles awesomeness

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/411b2jHI3hL.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6TylsbZ11vSNjYC4gh0KuY

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

really good record,another one I had to cull from my list

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

ok that looks like a record i need in my life

if i wasnt about to get picked up to see planet of the apes, i'd totally be pumping my speakers up

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

im gonna be honest here, i think this is my fave alltime poll list on ilx ever,and i'm not saying it because sean & I are running it.It's because of you guys voting for some awesome albums.
Might not always agree with the placings, but the actual records are mostly greatness , and I'm sure the ones i dont know will be good too.

And a LOT of awesome albums to come, but take it from me if you have just joined, there are lots of genuine must haves in the 250 (and even outside it as there's a good few albums I thought would be top 100)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link

lol this may be my favourite ilx poll i've never personally done (but then i did tv + hiphop and they are my favourite things so). that and the one where the space jam ost came #2

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

how many ballots did the alltime hiphop poll get?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

Conference of the Birds is awesome. Title track is unfuckwithable.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

about 60 singles, 40 albums iirc?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

39 here, so that's pretty good considering jazz is very niche on ilm and the biggest posters are goons.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

noone can beat pavement or led zep though. Maybe timbaland will?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

74    Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/b/braxto_anth_foralto~~_101b.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

I need to hear Conference of the Birds. Sounds like something I'd like.

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

braxton is one of those dudes i should be getting into, but he seems like a *committment*
some day.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

I would love it if the Timbaland turnout beats Led Zeppelin. One of the reasons I grabbed them was because I knew I wouldn't have to beat the bushes for participants.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

My favorite Braxton (out of his approximately 750,000 releases). tylerw, I started with this, and heard no other Braxton for years. No need to commit.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

oh shit, i forgot to vote for conference of the birds. might even have nommed it too.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

Getting into Braxton is hard work, but rewarding.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

i only have a few braxton but they are great

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

I must admit i'm surprised that we got over 15 votes as there didn't seem to be a lot of posts on the voting thread but in the end it turned out ok (had to badger shakey and wm a bit,but only cuz they forget)
but it all turned out ok. The number of full ballots of 100 was exceptional. How many of those did we get seandalai?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

I'll get that number later when I'm at home.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

I know who Braxton is, but yeah I've never dug in. guess I should. took me awhile to get around to Ornette too.

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

73    Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yUDvjFOjZMs/Tbwl_oJmiiI/AAAAAAAAA3Q/9MPs63ovmUQ/s1600/black_woman.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3xWs9FMTAGdQtgwZTnTf98

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ Love this album, especially the title track and "Portrait of Linda in Three Colors, All Black".

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, it's great -- love "blind willie" too. barely think of this as a "jazz" album tbh.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

portrait of linda is my favorite song of all time

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/most-read-threads.jsp

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

For me it sits squarely in the Ayleresque line of ecstatic jazz.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't forget shit, I generally schedule my errands around something other than your barked commands, doggie.

<3

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

I think all the Braxton I have is solo, so I am interested in hearing what he does in a group.

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

crazy pictorial scores iirc

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

Ok maybe not that crazy, but still...

http://web.me.com/antonannex/page6/files/score-brxt.jpg

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

haha okay wtf is that

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

i thought you were a muso shakey?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, braxton scores i've seen are wild. braxton interviews are wild, too.
one thing i liked of braxton's was a more recent thing of standards? fairly straightforward/paul desmond-y with blasts of free type moments. i don't know, i assume i'll get into him sooner or later, but just haven't yet.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

This one is cool:

http://www.criticalimprov.com/article/viewFile/462/992/3121

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, Braxton on standards and other folks' compositions is sublime. Check out 8 (+3) Tristano Compositions, beautiful.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

72    Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
http://www.twitteringmachines.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/wayahead.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/32zeUU48gmDcaKb3nrju2i

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

i thought you were a muso shakey?

I know a little (very tiny) bit, but I have no idea how one is supposed to interpret those scores. I mean they LOOK cool, I just don't know what half the symbols/notations are supposed to represent

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

That score kind of reminds me of this: http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/08/24/nsfw_notation.gif

emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link

^ talking of musos ;)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

On a (slightly) more serious note, I do love those scores. See also Cardew's 'Treatise' (not jazz).

emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

Shakey, I bet geir could understand them.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

I hate how it says it's in Db but it has a key signature of F.

But then I'm a rotter who identifies with teh formalists, so I would love 'em.

xposts to myself

emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

having never played an instrument or anything those scores look like funny squiggles to me

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

treatise is a different beast tho. braxton is still at least somewhat grounded in traditional notation

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link

emil.y loves nepotism
xps

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link

The title of Composition No. 65: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/ABComp65.gif

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

you drew that yourself and are showing off

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

not heard anything 'new to me' yet referenced in this thread as i'm currently offline, and at work i no longer have access to spotify.
however, this thread will be a perfect reference point when i get back to my normal life, and have access to a local fopp !
oh, and given the love throughout, it looks like pharoah sanders is going to be one such discovery.

mark e, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe you all will enjoy this if you haven't already seen it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtSYQAtK6RY

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

oh, and given the love throughout, it looks like pharoah sanders is going to be one such discovery.

hurrah!! check out Archie Shepp too!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

guess who is up next btw

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

71    Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971)  1007 Points, 9 votes
http://joshthought.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/pharoah_sanders_thembi.jpg?w=400&h=400
http://open.spotify.com/album/5bNLEyWCkiYC5ZoMxSWMWB

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

oh look who is up next

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link

thembi!

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

THEMBI. Anyone know where that cover photo was taken? for some reason i feel like i've been there, but it is probably somewhere in China.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

this shit is kinda ridic

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

spiritual hippie record collector jazz

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

i listen to PS every thanksgiving ALL DAY LONG and it is my favorite holiday tradition

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

deej Pharoah Sanders is awesome!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

He really is

Number None, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

not exactly sure what d-40 is on about -- just cuz it might be "record collector jazz" doesn't mean it's not good! sort of agree about the sun ra presence in this poll, but he's still got at least four or five masterpieces.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

I only have Karma and Thembi but both are awesome, don't see how anyone could seriously knock dude's technique

satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

never has a post been so superfluous
of course he's awesome

if that makes me a spiritual hippie record collector then where's my hat and my flute

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

eh it just seems like theres a lot of focus on outsider record collector ish at the expense of, for lack of a better word, regular jazz

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

this is not a judgment of pharoah sanders as an artist

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

also remember a fair bit of the sun ra was low down in the 250

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

who cares
can't we just celebrate how great he is? it's OVERWHELMINGLY TRUE that he is great
i can feel it in my spiritual hat

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

lol

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone know where that cover photo was taken? for some reason i feel like i've been there, but it is probably somewhere in China.

Those rocks look like New Jersey shore to me, but I don't know.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

Kind wishing I had voted now, to piss deej off more.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

69    Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5uhOn1UDIXg/TdViVRyVXCI/AAAAAAAACUI/8UXgsTz6ihs/s1600/oliver.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5eYXXVTYehJrV1caDN4pmd

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

xxp the new jersey shore, home of the most spiritual jazz

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

don't know this one but I certainly will be checking it out

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

title track alone is really the standout -- amazing dolphy flute solo. rest of it is pleasant enough, but the title track is one of the greats.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

Kind wishing I had voted now, to piss deej off more.

― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:10 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

idg whats so bad about pointing out that a sci-fi cover & cult cachet are more likely to give an album a spot on this list frankly

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

'blues & the abstract truth,' tho -- that ones a gem

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

dude has blue skin in that cover shot, though -- alien?

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

that would explain why its finished so high

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

eh it just seems like theres a lot of focus on outsider record collector ish at the expense of, for lack of a better word, regular jazz

Calling this "record collector jazz" is pretty weird, but ILM certainly seems to favour a certain era and certain more avant-garde style(s) of jazz; this includes me too, btw. On the other hand, this being an albums poll (with no compilations allowed) certainly is gonna favour the era between when jazz became truly album-oriented (exemplified by Pharoah's extended songs, which only work in an album context) and when jazz's final age of innovation was over (roughly in the mid-seventies), and it became a genre mostly known for rehashing its past. So people are probably most likely to vote for records that most feel like albums in an albums poll, and trad jazz will suffer because of that. I hope there'll be a jazz singles/songs poll after this one, surely more traditional/regular forms of jazz would fare better in that one?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

xxp but for real, that record is just a classic -- look who's playing on it! even if they were just phoning it in, it'd still be brilliant.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

ez snappin volunteered in the nominations thread to do a pre-1945 tracks poll but who knows if he will be up for it still (previous experience tells me they deny volunteering or wriggle out of it).
If not and no-one else wants to, if seandalai agrees to help then I guess i could run it. but i have pretty much zero knowledge of pre-1945 jazz so if that disqualifies me then fair enough

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

maybe he didn't volunteer, it was his suggestion. you up for it ez snappin? Show us all how to run a poll?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

68    Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
http://losslessjazz.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Lonnie-Liston-Smith-The-Cosmic-Echoes-Astral-Traveling-1973-FLAC.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4H9dvIFBlaTY8LbBmSTFjX

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

Oliver Nelson, same guy who wrote the theme to The Six Million Dollar Man.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

Oliver Nelson was one of my top picks. I'm off to catch a plane, have fun!

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

yay for lonnie liston smith making it

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

Okay, that's one I am completely clueless about. The name sounds kind of familiar, but just pseudo-familiar since I have zero associations with it.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

haw, more spiritual hats.
that one is good, pretty groovy vibe, spacey keys.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

id be surprised if he doesnt make it again

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

I know Lonnie Smith from various soul/jazz sorta things, but this is a different dude iirc

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

yeah he played on thembi and karma

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

on the corner too

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

"Expansions" will make it i'd imagine

Number None, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

yeah thats what i was thinking. although once again i think of that as more a disco / pop album than a jazz one

D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

67    Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960)  1049 (Points) 10 votes, One #1
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kurtmkGQja1qaq8flo1_500.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2wXfYEZKGQlfy2hKZbwtU7

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

hoped that would be much higher

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

really guys, check it out

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

66    John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, One #1 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/SdBzSe3CMPI/AAAAAAAACkg/HNOUFFyAqVs/s400/John+Coltrane+-+Meditations.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3suMuCIVtRVI6quioihY23

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

Seconding the 'The Blues and the Abstract Truth' love. Amazing title track. Really hoping Search for the New Land (Lee Morgan) makes this list.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

really guys, check it out

never paid much attention to Mobley, listening to this now... pretty nice

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

Oliver Nelson, same guy who wrote the theme to The Six Million Dollar Man.
--Geirge Hongriot (NickB)

Think he got burned out working in Tinseltown, at least that's the story I heard

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

Is Sonny Sharrock the only post-1980 album on the list so far? (Not that I expect there'll be many to come. A post-'80 poll would be interesting, but I guess would get a lot fewer votes.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

Or guess I should say albums, forgot that was the second Sharrock on here.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

Meditations was my #1. That record had a profound effect on me when I was in my teens, listening to that was such a great physical and emotional experience.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

Think he got burned out working in Tinseltown, at least that's the story I heard

Yeah, he died shortly afterwards of a heart attack at the age of 43.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

im not sure, but pretty funny if it is considering everyone said to do an all-time instead of 1950-75 poll as i had intended

xps

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

and now for the 3rd album in a row with a #1

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

65    Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ON.E # 1 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JI310rDTx90/S8S1-GMH-OI/AAAAAAAAAuA/lLht3FmSwe8/s320/booklet-outside-foldedkicsi.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/69OZHsomLpQigZdQuTWHqx

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

That's... not one of my Cecil Taylor favorites.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

the cool thing about jazz is how it all connects on some (higher) plane, don't forget sun ra played w/fletcher henderson's big band

i envy anybody who hasn't heard blues & the abstract truth - you're in for a treat

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

haha yes

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

speaking of oliver nelson arrangements i wonder if sonny rollins' alfie will place?

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone noticed that there's only been 1 Sun Ra album today?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

but guess what?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

he's not up next

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HmvaR5cGW80/TIqDVgCNUEI/AAAAAAAAAXM/om0QJ92U2Co/s1600/change.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0ME2xPIm65f5cJve3ALqdi

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

i definitely voted for this one

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

oh it seems i didn't.. dont know why

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

going over this thread and listening to nothing but jazz in the last couple days - I've realized I have very little understanding/conception of the jazz audience of the 60s. I kind of assume jazz reached its commercial/popular peak much earlier (I know Miles' best-selling albums were in the 60s, but the ubiquity of jazz as a dominant style seems undeniable for earlier eras like the 20s-40s than it does for the 60s, what with r'n'r in the picture), but as a genre the general consensus represented here is that the aesthetic/artistic peak was in the late 50s through the 60s. This is when a lot of the essential ingredients of jazz - swing, improvisation, acoustic ensemble playing - became really intensely refined. But exactly how popular was, say, a giant like John Coltrane...? I have no idea. And who bought these records? Middle-class black people, white "intellectuals"...? I can't really see Hank Mobley and Grant Green appealling much to teenagers, the whole Blue Note vibe is one of adult sophistication, for example.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

i voted for 4 of his so i guess it got culled from 5

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link

I wish we could all have just voted for the "Beauty is a Rare Thing" compilation. I didn't feel comfortable voting for any Ornette album on its own, haha. I feel that way about Cecil Taylor, too... nothing feels fully representative.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

like I would guess the genre skewed older and richer...? Black kids were being sold r&b, motown, etc. and white kids were being peddled a combination of pop and rock, I kinda can't imagine jazz was even on the menu for most younger music consumers...

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

(Though I did vote for Ornette & Cecil albums)

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

but then jazz was sold to rock fans after that shakey

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

xp yeah i sort of wonder about jazz audiences, too -- obviously people like miles and coltrane were big cultural figures, but a lot of the time they'd be playing these tiny clubs! there must've been a disconnect between people who bought records and people who went out to gigs for whatever reason.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

I wish we could all have just voted for the "Beauty is a Rare Thing" compilation.

agree, all of those early ornette albums are great, but they sort of seem like one big album to me

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

Exactly.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think Coltrane was ever that popular among the general populace... A Love Supreme was considered a hit album by 60s jazz standards, but it didn't sell quite as much as the big rock and pop albums of the era. I think even back then Coltrane was mainly listened by "serious", highbrow jazz fans; the big, popular jazz hits of the 60s were more melody and/or groove oriented, like "Watermelon Man", or "The 'In' Crowd", or "Mercy Mercy Mercy".

Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

obviously people like miles and coltrane were big cultural figures, but a lot of the time they'd be playing these tiny clubs

exactly I find this perplexing, this ability to occupy a "serious" and well-preserved cultural space while... not really selling all that many records or being all that popular...? how does that work? seems like anything comparable would be totally impossible today. but maybe I'm underestimating how much Miles and Coltrane sold. certainly I can see how they would have something of an appeal to a casual, adult, well-educated middle class music listener, but uh how many of those were there in America really...

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link

but then jazz was sold to rock fans after that shakey

after what...? Bitches Brew?

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

coltrane "crossed over" with my favorite things, but i think he just used that as leverage for the rest of his career to do what he wanted, as opposed to repeating the formula ad nauseam. though i suppose there are a few attempts at another "favorite things" in his catalog -- greensleeves, chim chim cheree, etc.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

How it was explained to me in a 20th century music class: bebop's complexity and undanceability, while they were musical advances, were bad news for the form economically from the late 40s on. As jazz switched from a dance music to a chamber music, R&B and rock and roll claimed their audiences.

loads of xposts

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

not really selling all that many records or being all that popular...? how does that work?

I think the key is that Coltrane and Miles appealed to the type of serious listeners who are also music writers, or musicians themselves, and they kept their names alive even if they weren't selling big amounts of records.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

how does that work?
the house that trane built book from a few years back about impulse records goes into some of this -- basically there was a fairly sizeable core audience of die hards, but in general, the label coasted by because it was part of ABC Paramount. Impulse had a few hits (ray charles comes to mind) that made the label able to get by for a while, i think.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

Were these artists profiled in, say, LIFE magazine, the way contemporary visual artists were (esp. thinking of the abstract expressionists)? They may have been chosen representatives of serious art by mass media publications.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link

As jazz switched from a dance music to a chamber music, R&B and rock and roll claimed their audiences.

this makes sense. what seems really odd to me is that the artform would fluorish and reach its peak several decades AFTER its commercial peak.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

obviously people like miles and coltrane were big cultural figures, but a lot of the time they'd be playing these tiny clubs! there must've been a disconnect between people who bought records and people who went out to gigs for whatever reason.

seems like back around the middle of the 20th century artists (visual and musical...authors too) could get to be "big cultural figures" and not be all that popular. a houswife or salesman in Lawrence, Kansas would know OF someone like Coltrane, Miles Davis, Keurorac, Ginsberg, Warhol etc, but not be too familiar with their work. they'd know they were important figures in their discipline, but not why.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

lee morgan's "sidewinder" crossed over and sorta kick started the "soul jazz" thing in the early/mid 60s. my understanding is coltrane lost a lot of fans after 'a love supreme'

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

like once it had weaseled its way into being considered "serious"/highbrow it was able to economically coast and reap the benefits of that security without having to sell records.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

They may have been chosen representatives of serious art by mass media publications.

That's my sense of it (mainly from talking to older family members)

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

I guess the economic bar was reset a good bit lower and artists could experiment. xp to shakey

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

the soul/jazz movement is an obvious pop re-crossover attempt - a move back to jazz as dance music, but this time replacing swing with contemporary (at the time) funk and r&b rhythms. (I'm not knocking this stuff, I like a lot of it).

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

ON.E # 1

Very droll.

That's... not one of my Cecil Taylor favorites.

I do not understand this. To my ears, it is majestic.

emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

obviously people like miles and coltrane were big cultural figures, but a lot of the time they'd be playing these tiny clubs!

My mom grew up outside Chicago, and her older, hipper sister has great stories about sneaking out of the house when she was in high school (would've been I guess around 1960) to go with a friend to jazz clubs in the city. They saw Coletrane a bunch of times, playing in packed little places. Once they took him some chocolate chip cookies, because they read he liked them. He came out between sets to thank them.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

Coltrane, that is.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

wow, that's great.
obviously a lot of these guys could tour around europe and play big halls, too.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

emil.y that was actually a typo

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

Once they took him some chocolate chip cookies, because they read he liked them. He came out between sets to thank them.

awwww

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

An interesting example of how much critical consensus has shaped our understanding of that era of jazz is that Charles Lloyd was actually one of the most popular, if not the most popular jazz artist of the 60s, yet he has been almost completely excluded from the 60s jazz canon, because his artistic merits weren't considered big enough, and the critics felt he was pandering to the hippie audience.

More discussion on the subject in this thread:

Artists/bands that were once quite popular, yet nowadays are mostly ignored in canonical history books

Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

xp - Didn't a bunch of musicians end up spending long periods in Europe because it was they only place they could make any sort of reliable income?

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

they still do!

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

Were these artists profiled in, say, LIFE magazine, the way contemporary visual artists were (esp. thinking of the abstract expressionists)? They may have been chosen representatives of serious art by mass media publications.

Yeah. Here's a Miles write-up from Time, in 1958.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

63    Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
http://www.covershut.com/covers/Charlie-Haden-Liberation-Music-Orchestra-1969-Front-Cover-29509.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1LjPCzf3XWmJswuKdoVn3L

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

i voted for this one

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

During the 1970s Lloyd played extensively with The Beach Boys both on their studio recordings and as a member of their touring band. In the late 1970s Lloyd was a member of Celebration, a band composed of members of the Beach Boys' touring band as well as fellow Transcendental Meditation followers Mike Love and Al Jardine. Celebration released two albums.

WHAT THE FUCK

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

European support of chamber music extending to American forms, Americans being too invested in moving they asssss shocka.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

it all comes back to mike love

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link

Kind of weird seeing that Charlie Haden album up here - it's fun and all but I didn't really consider voting for it.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link

emil.y that was actually a typo

Ha! Very fitting, then. (For those not keeping up, Conquistador! was my number one vote.)

emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

my understanding is coltrane lost a lot of fans after 'a love supreme'

Really? IIRC, even in the 60s it was his biggest-selling album. So if he lost a lot of fans because of it, he gained even more new ones.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

i meant the albums AFTER als

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

I do not understand this. To my ears, it is majestic.

― emil.y, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:50 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

Ditto. I'd be hard-pressed to name a single favorite Cecil record, but if the house is on fire, this is the one I'm gonna grab. If I grab two, the other one would be his European Orchestra 2CD Alms/Tiergarten (Spree).

And I really hope this isn't Bill Dixon's only appearance in the poll.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

And i'll bet you didn't think this was going to place..

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

62    Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points,  10 votes
http://29.media.tumblr.com/LT0k0L1O9pwrgwj45RnZsWoso1_500.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5I3aoewqDpP4TglIl9O7su

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

like the duke wasnt gonna come in high..

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

i'm gonna be a jerk and say money jungle is not a peak effort for any of the three participants (ducks)

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

i think it's a super classic record, mingus seems determined to make everyone uncomfortable. love hearing duke in a relatively unadorned session.
always wondered why the recording quality itself seems a little subpar though.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

yeah it's good and well worth hearing but not quite the super session it appears to be

excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

ready for the last one tonight?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

61    Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51MDB0AGGHL._SS500_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/50FF5iPeaKU1iy3O5I6Hg9

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

good to see him represented, not forgotten

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

i have 1 & 2 on (reissued) vinyl. bought in late 90s, might be the first i heard actually. Wouldn't say they were my fave tbh. I like them though. not top 100 tho to my ears.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

Mark, I guess you never saw this thread

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

but it seems everyone on ilm has different favourites.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

Um, this thread: Money Jungle C/D?

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

Was hoping we'd see a few more records by non-Americans, thank god we've at least got representation from the planet Saturn.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

ive lost count but he hasn't got more than miles or coltrane so far (i dont think)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

and he has less in the top 100 so far i think?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

Exactly as it should be imo.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

What year is winning so far?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link

fuck knows

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

MONEY JUNGLE NOT BEING TOP TEN MEANS Y'ALL SUCK

THIS BETTER NOT BE WON BY SOME FUSION BS

Srs though does Machine Gun or anything that wild have a chance? Is this *favourite* records or have *i will vote for that cos its crazy* choices been kicking around?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

what is wrong with fusion?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link

it sucks dick most of the time, is what.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

hi this is herbie hancock/miles davis and i have given up making good records because look! electronic instruments!

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

^^^gauntlet thrown

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

Miles electric period >>>>>>> Miles acoustic period btw

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

OTM, fusion Miles is my favorite.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

apples vs oranges

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link

Recap 250-61

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

Artist count so far -
Charles Mingus - 5
Grant Green - 5
Archie Shepp - 6
Thelonious Monk - 6
Herbie Hancock - 6
Pharoah Sanders - 7
Sun Ra - 10
John Coltrane - 15 (plus on other albums)
Miles Davis - 21

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

fusion is one of those oranges where the only way you can get the peel off is to make a huge mess and get your fingers sticky as all the juice runs out and it tastes like balls and has ten thousand pips when actually starting eating it

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

you got vodka in those oranges? :o)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

In response to an earlier question, it looks like 8 voters maxed out their ballot and voted for 100 albums; there are a couple more people (maybe 4?) who had a list of 100 albums but included duplicates.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link

there's always a few ilxors that do that.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link

some great stuff up tomorrow btw

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link

here is the 250-61 UPDATED SPOTIFY PLAYLIST of what is available.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link

Poll is proving a great education. Favourite discovery so far is Grant Green's Idle Moments

Number None, Thursday, 1 September 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link

Hell, favorite discovery for me is Grant Green, period. Only previously heard him on Jimmy Smith and Larry Young records.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link

do not understand this. To my ears, it is majestic.

― emil.y, miércoles 31 de agosto de 2011 21:50 (Yesterday) Bookmark

I don't hate it! It's great. I just lean towards later Cecil Taylor more. Silent Tongues, One Too Many Salty Swift and Not Goodbye, Winged Serpent (Sliding Quadrants).

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 03:19 (twelve years ago) link

Kind of blue or a love supreme to win then? possibly karma or black saint and sinner lady? Highest fusion lp will be headhunters? All those top 10 anyway. Im betting birds of fire and hot rats to be top 20!! And more sun ra of course.

BlindWillyPuller, Thursday, 1 September 2011 03:42 (twelve years ago) link

yeah it's good and well worth hearing but not quite the super session it appears to be

― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

totally disagree w/ this

love supreme is like bottom hundred in quality imo, not even top 5 coltrane

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 06:15 (twelve years ago) link

ppl voting for vocal mantras smh

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 06:15 (twelve years ago) link

Artist count so far -
Charles Mingus - 5
Grant Green - 5
Archie Shepp - 6
Thelonious Monk - 6
Herbie Hancock - 6
Pharoah Sanders - 7
Sun Ra - 10
John Coltrane - 15 (plus on other albums)
Miles Davis - 21

I've nothing against Miles, but this is kinda ridiculous; it seems pretty much every one of his 50s, 60s, and 70s albums will place in the poll. Can't imagine any other major genre where one artist would eclipse all the others so strongly... Whenever I go to the jazz shelf in a general record store (i.e. one that doesn't specialize in jazz), it looks like half the records on the shelf are various Miles reissues and compilations.

Tuomas, Thursday, 1 September 2011 06:29 (twelve years ago) link

ppl voting for vocal mantras smh

Oh come on, the vocal mantra lasts for maybe a minute, and it's hardly the thing that makes the album great. Sure, A Love Supreme has unnecessarily eclipsed all the other great Coltrane albums, but that happens to a lot of artists (it's the same with Kind of Blue for Miles, Ah Um for Mingus, Time Out for Dave Brubeck, etc). On the other hand, with artists like Coltrane who have such a large and sprawling discography, it might be good a thing there is a canonical album for newbies to start with, especially since it's a great album that exemplifies well what was great about Coltrane. With artists like Sun Ra who've released dozens of albums but none of them is the canonical one, the newbie might be kinda lost at where to start. (This is certainly one reasons I've never really delved into his music.)

Tuomas, Thursday, 1 September 2011 06:43 (twelve years ago) link

"one of the reasons"

Tuomas, Thursday, 1 September 2011 06:44 (twelve years ago) link

60    Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000589UT.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3G4RWt6cqZDeNumYAZOL8C

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

this thread has had an inverse effect on my bank account. got the blue note covers book, maiden voyage and money jungle and get paid tomorrow so may have to look for some more.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:33 (twelve years ago) link

I'm going to have to buy that blue note covers book aren't i?
Sam do you use spotify?

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link

yuh but i only have an ipod, no iphone, so i have to have seperate mp3s to listen to at work

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

oh well, jazz on spotify makes an excellent soundtrack for footy manager when you're at home at least.

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

fo sho but atm the timbo playlist is driving my 'pick a team' page craziness ott. thinking orient. or maybe fiorentina.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:46 (twelve years ago) link

Any idea when FM2012 is out?

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

59    Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/e/elling_duke_fareastsu_102b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1JQ7TkPUI1x04CCZLpYMzU

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

One of Ellington's best, surely on the same level as his 40s recordings.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

58    Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/b/byrd_donald_offtother_102b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/37LKWNJ1xP9OlbKwjDYkZi

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

xp yeah, that's the one that got me out of the 30s-40s for ellington and into his later work.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

not sure if i've heard that byrd album tho. is there something about it that distinguishes it from his other early blue notes?

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

jackie mclean is on it!

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link

Though obviously he's on a few

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link

ha yeah -- i think the early donald byrd blue notes i've heard haven't knocked me out. solid, obviously, but maybe not as strong as, say, lee morgan's stuff from the same period.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

but maybe not as strong as, say, lee morgan's stuff from the same period.

yes, but what was??

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

lee morgan ruled blue note in the early 60s

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

Certainly came up with a big hit for them.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

57    Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2BJFDMx8gL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/03zH4bkGb2jSZAQIVW2px1

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

never heard of that; any good?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

oh yeah

:)

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

Yes. "The Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife Are Some Jive Ass Slippers" is there!

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

One of Mingus' best, definitely. Fucking cinematic.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

shit rocks

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

apparently it was his favourite album he made

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

mingus's last great record, probably -- there are some good tunes on the albums that follow, but none of those 70s records are masterpieces. this one seems like a fully formed statement, everything perfectly put together.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

56    Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
http://pixhost.me/avaxhome/b8/80/000c80b8_medium.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5PzlTnVafjgt5RtjTdIKoC

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

weird I've never even heard of any of the last four

xp

okay I know that Art Blakey one

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

you have some catching up to do then

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

"Fleurette Africaine" off of Money Jungle has to be one of the most beautiful recordings ever made.

dsb, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

oh absolutely, listened to it again yesterday and it really stands out.

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

I am listening to "Let My Children Hear Music" now it is really fantastic, I don't know why i never really got into it before. I guess when i started really investigating Mingus a couple of years ago it was more orchestral than what i was looking for with him. I was very wrong..

dsb, Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

55    Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
http://www.jazz59.com/joefarrell/images/juju.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/46VoobaZCtFPReElOHFEqq

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link

weird I've never even heard of any of the last four

Funny the gaps in what people know. I suspect you're more familiar with jazz than I am, so this surprises me, but I know I've surprised people with some of the things I don't know.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

eh there's a ton of jazz stuff I've never heard. prior to the internet collecting this shit was a ton of work/$$$

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

54    Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
http://minoltamania.com/Herbie%20Hancock_Maiden%20Voyage.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7huPJTTsWVt854oZkr88mf

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link

shakey I'm sure you know this album

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

yeah I know that one. never owned a copy tho

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

lovely record. george coleman doesn't get enough credit, he's great on everything i've heard. though on that elvis costello TV show, herbie praised him, and you could hear like one guy in the audience burst into applause.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

53    Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51k0WjwbwIL._SS400_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1BHwJqnHhuIryphXMZ0PMQ

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

why did Monk get such awful covers...? seems so unfair

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

there's that one, and the one with the kiddie wagon. just.... why

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

Hope Night Dreamer makes it. Never was much of a Hubbard fan, definitely prefer Lee Morgan.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

51    Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
http://www.soulstrut.com/images/uploads/reviews/B000005MLY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6gTHTc1DucAt6we7SLRDog

Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

Oh come on, the vocal mantra lasts for maybe a minute, and it's hardly the thing that makes the album great. Sure, A Love Supreme has unnecessarily eclipsed all the other great Coltrane albums, but that happens to a lot of artists (it's the same with Kind of Blue for Miles, Ah Um for Mingus, Time Out for Dave Brubeck, etc). On the other hand, with artists like Coltrane who have such a large and sprawling discography, it might be good a thing there is a canonical album for newbies to start with, especially since it's a great album that exemplifies well what was great about Coltrane. With artists like Sun Ra who've released dozens of albums but none of them is the canonical one, the newbie might be kinda lost at where to start. (This is certainly one reasons I've never really delved into his music.)

― Tuomas, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:43 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fwiw this is bullshit -- kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

also i love that lonnie liston smith album but its yet another example of a pop record beating jazz ones

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

POPISM RULES

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

like, that record beating 'moanin' is nonsense

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

great album though!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

it wouldn't have if you had voted deej!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

that donald byrd 'off to the races' is weirdly high. anyone want to talk about it? i havent heard it but my experience w/ mid-60s byrd is that hes a fairly average trumpet player

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

had no idea the good doctor was so popular tbh

kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

I don't get this frankly. the received wisdom/critical consensus re: Miles is correct, but the received wisdom/critical consensus re: Trane is wrong...? Seems to me like Love Supreme is ALWAYS cited as his key work, as the best entry point into his catalog. (note: it is not my favorite record of his, that would be Blue Trane)

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

I get the feeling a lot of people will disagree with you there.. dunno why.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

guys he said it isn't even close to his best, didn't you read

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

maybe in rock critic books but the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums from the era that got considerably more attention from folks outside of the jazz world

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

I'm reserving judgment on these other Byrd albums placing until I see where A New Perspective ranks

btw I had to take a break from all the exclusive-jazz-listening I've been doing over the past few days. moving onto Dio at the moment.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

Dio should have recorded with Miles & McLaughlin

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link

but the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums

think Stanley Crouch would beg to differ, among others

(I hate Stanley Crouch btw)

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

A Love Supreme is the only Coltrane album to get a "crown" in the 8th edition of the Penguin guide fwiw. And those dudes are pretty hostile to a lot of the spiritual jazz stuff.

rob, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

THERE'S NO CASE TO BE MADE

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

ok on with the top 50. I guess I better not ask a mod to change the title...

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

not a rock critic

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

Olé is fucking beautiful.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

xp
wait, sorry, Ascension gets one too, but they really gush over ALS: "it is without precedent or parallel."

rob, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

rob, and they were right. :)

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

i thought ascension was only liked by free jazz guys and not classic jazz guys?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

Re: A Love Supreme, it's not in my top 5, or even top 10, of Trane records. The actual music isn't dramatically different from Live At Birdland or Crescent, but the concept gives it an air of importance not seen in that way in his work before. For me, it's his Tommy, and like Tommy, it really came together when played live (which supposedly only happened twice, but one of those was recorded and released).

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

linking to jazz critics who like a love supreme isnt telling me anything since im not saying its a bad album
take one logic class

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

Goat otm

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

jazz critics who like a love supreme

if this is what you got from those posts, maybe you should take one reading comprehension course?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

Dio should have recorded with Miles & McLaughlin

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:37 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

He shoulda been the vocalist in Tony Williams' Lifetime (imagine "One Word" an octave higher).

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

(I think you guys should just ignore him, tbh. Don't feed the special snowflake syndrome.)

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

love supreme is a beautiful record. his best? probably not, but i think the fact that he conceived of it quite consciously as a "major work", a unified whole (not always the case with his records), is why it gets the sometimes overripe praise, at least relative to say Crescent (which i think is just as good).

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

yes, yes, tylerw OTM.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

it wouldn't have if you had voted deej!

also this. did the same thing in the hip hop poll - didn't vote and then bitched about the placings

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

and i dunno, i've never been able to get into the live version of ALS -- it's good, but not amazing like the studio version.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

i thought ascension was only liked by free jazz guys and not classic jazz guys?

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

I think the line has become blurred over the years. Partly it's because it's Coltrane, and he'll get a pass from more conservative critics before, say, Cecil Taylor does. And partly because, as with Ornette, some Cecil, Charlie Parker, etc. etc., it doesn't seem as radical now as it did then.

Fuck if I know why Freddie Hubbard's on it, though.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

(I think you guys should just ignore him, tbh. Don't feed the special snowflake syndrome.)

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:48 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what are you contributing exactly -- ?

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

also this. did the same thing in the hip hop poll - didn't vote and then bitched about the placings

xp

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:49 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

of course i can, sorry i didnt see the deadline but better this than 100 posts of someone saying "GREAT ALBUM!!!"

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

linking to jazz critics who like a love supreme isnt telling me anything since im not saying its a bad album
take one logic class

please to show me where this mysterious "jazz canon" you and you alone have access to is interred, and what it has to say about A Love Supreme then

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

oh shakey i think it's cool deej is giving his opinions. I just wish he had voted is all. Deej knows his jazz. And like everyone else he has his faves and opinions, and it brings good chat to the thread.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link

Crouch, for example, has long positioned himself as keeper of the jazz canon flame afaict. should we get Marsalis' opinion on the subject too

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link

of course a love supreme is considered a great album but if you listen to the record its not even as good as similar records from the same period, and its not like im alone in making this observation. read any fucking jazz criticism

i dont know why im arguing with shakey who admits on this list to not having heard key artists in the genre then claims to speak w/ authority about trane's best records

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

who admits on this list to not having heard key artists in the genre then claims to speak w/ authority about trane's best records

slow your roll there son

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

Fuck if I know why Freddie Hubbard's on it, though.

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)

you dont like freddie??

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

not that anyone needs to know all jazz to speak on it or something but if you're going to nitpick w/ me about this at least have some background in it

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

of course i can, sorry i didnt see the deadline but better this than 100 posts of someone saying "GREAT ALBUM!!!"

hey is that a go at me?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

the issue isn't what I consider to be trane's best records, is this weird opinion you have that A Love Supreme is not routinely acknowledged as his signature album, his "masterpiece" etc.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

kind of but not really, youve been encouraging other ppl to talk the entire time xp

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

the issue isn't what I consider to be trane's best records, is this weird opinion you have that A Love Supreme is not routinely acknowledged as his signature album, his "masterpiece" etc.

xp

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:56 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my 'weird opinion' is that its not as good as other records hes done although its celebrated that way, of course i realize that like j dilla and burial fans rep for 'a love supreme' 1st, its the outsider's fav record. in some cases this coincides w/ some legendary record making (KoB), other times it feels like a success of marketing (ALS)

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

49    Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Horace-Silver-Song-for-My-Father.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4LEnATSqKeANOJ0mLUAuCE

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

You know what it is, D-40? You're being weirdly nitpicky about something you weren't even a part of (you didn't actually vote). Also, your opinions on many the choices (dismissing "harp" or "outsider" jazz as less worthy than your muddled idea of Real Jazz) are plain irritating & reductionist.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

well deej i'm just not particularly great at articulating my opinions so rather than waffle on with meaningless bullshit I prefer to keep posts short and let those who can do it, leaving me to enjoy reading said posts.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

it's always hilarious when people get preemptively mad about what they predict will win a poll

lil dawg (some dude), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

my 'weird opinion' is that its not as good as other records hes done although its celebrated that way
i mean, that's fine, your opinion! i pretty much love everything coltrane did 1960-65, so love supreme fits in there -- it's fantastic. but it's just part of an incredible period for that band.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

and yes pretty much all my posts are trying to stimulate other posts by better posters. I've been doing it like this for 10 years now, thought everyone got used to,accepted & ignored it by now :)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

it's more the OTT hyperbole that grates. I mean saying that A Love Supreme has "no case" to be made or is "not even close" to being his best album is ridiculous. tons of people have made the case. I'm not one of them, but that doesn't matter.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

anyway glad we could turn this into YET ANOTHER thread about deej lol

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

some dude > that's what makes for good reading on a poll results thread though. I love people making predictions on the results

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

no no its deej's opinions we're talking about.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think there's anything wrong with using superlatives to talk about music. Not everyone is a wanna-be music critic who feels the need to write seven page essays on the wonders of their preferred music. Music is a visceral experience.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

This thread is gonna be an often-referenced archive for a long time, be nice! I'm in SF, about to take a run to Amoeba and probably buy way too many jazz albums. Don't know whether to thank this poll or curse it.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

depends on what you buy

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

It doesn't take a background in jazz to see that deej's logic is not just flawed but nonexistent. First you say that the album is considered by proper jazz heads to be a lesser work, and then when people point out contradictory instances you a) say that they're misreading you, and b) refuse to point to anyone who actually says it is a lesser work.

emil.y, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

Here is the Rate Your Music top jazz albums.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

#8 proves ilm was right after all. Apologies to wm for not including it at first

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

you dont like freddie??

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:54 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

He never really did it for me, and I could never put my finger on why. Then I heard one of his contemporaries say, "Freddie's playing is like the Rolls-Royce aesthetic, but without the Rolls-Royce." That nailed it for me (although as I read it, I can see how it might be a little obtuse...)

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

48    Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
http://milesdavisonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/steamin.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0Q0bftWuBSwZAHBKZr0lxB

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

I hope Alice's harp jazz albums score high - even if harps aren't REAL instruments, because people with vaginas most frequently play them. CLEARLY.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

47    John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
http://revivalist.okayplayer.com/core/wp-content/uploads/africa-brass-cover.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5Eiyfggt1rHUJaKoiD6ZBU

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

I remember tylerw once directed me to an awesome performance of this, feat. Alice. :D

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

all of those "...with the Miles Davis Quintet" albums run together in my head. they're all pretty good, but none of them stand out from the others. looking at that cover, don't even think i've ever heard Steamin'.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

that reminds me i forgot to respond to this -

Artist count so far -
Charles Mingus - 5
Grant Green - 5
Archie Shepp - 6
Thelonious Monk - 6
Herbie Hancock - 6
Pharoah Sanders - 7
Sun Ra - 10
John Coltrane - 15 (plus on other albums)
Miles Davis - 21

I've nothing against Miles, but this is kinda ridiculous; it seems pretty much every one of his 50s, 60s, and 70s albums will place in the poll. Can't imagine any other major genre where one artist would eclipse all the others so strongly... Whenever I go to the jazz shelf in a general record store (i.e. one that doesn't specialize in jazz), it looks like half the records on the shelf are various Miles reissues and compilations.

― Tuomas, Thursday, 1 September 2011 07:29 (12 hours ago

Tuomas , please remember that it's a 250. It is also hardly surprising that 21 miles albums would get in so far (more since the countdown resumed after you posted that. it would be wrong if some of the greatest jazz albums ever didn't place just because one guy is responsible. Miles and Coltrane have huge awesome discographies, in miles case it spanned like 5 decades?, it also means a lot of different people have their own favourites.

And at the end of the day this is a poll of ilxors favourite jazz albums, and if that includes 20 miles or every hancock/mingus/hubbard etc or even zappa's jazz albums then that will be reflected in the poll.

or in short, it's an ILM poll.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

Or in short, it shouldn't be that shocking to enter the classical section of the record store and find that there's MANY RECORDINGS OF MOZART.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

well of course shops will sell what is the biggest sellers. They're not a library.
A really good specialist shop should stock back catalog but many don't due to lack of money. A big store only sells the big sellers and it's no wonder people dont go there when they dont cater for them.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

I just think being shocked that people REALLY like 20 Miles Davis records is similar to being shocked that people REALLY like 20 Mozart symphonies.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, that's fine, your opinion! i pretty much love everything coltrane did 1960-65, so love supreme fits in there -- it's fantastic. but it's just part of an incredible period for that band.

― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:01 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fwiw i wasnt arguing with you & basically agree w/ your post more or less, i was responding specifically to shakey

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

46    Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
http://991.com/newGallery/Ornette-Coleman-This-Is-Our-Music-447970.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5dx51fo9eKRUo0GyZSKaxy

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

It doesn't take a background in jazz to see that deej's logic is not just flawed but nonexistent. First you say that the album is considered by proper jazz heads to be a lesser work, and then when people point out contradictory instances you a) say that they're misreading you, and b) refuse to point to anyone who actually says it is a lesser work.

― emil.y, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:06 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im looking for examples but havent seen any, but then, there isn't much jazz crit online (plenty of forum discussions about whether the LP is overrated, though); i dont think it takes much work to see that the kinds of venues praising the record are the kinds that generally treat jazz as a sideshow anyway.

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

Ole! Speak No Evil! Africa Brass! This Is Our Music! What the top 10 should look like! Bet next we'll have Journeys In Saub;uigbfq;eh; and The Shape of Jazz to Come if this is how its going down.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

xp It doesn't take much work, yet you haven't been able to find examples. Interesting.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

A Love Supreme is awes, Kind Of Blue... isn't the best Miles by a long shot imo. Bet In A Silent Way wins this poll anyway.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

xp It doesn't take much work, yet you haven't been able to find examples. Interesting.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:53 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

? penguin guide and rolling stone? you provided the examples already, thats what im saying

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

A Love Supreme is awes, Kind Of Blue... isn't the best Miles by a long shot imo. Bet In A Silent Way wins this poll anyway.

― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:53 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

backwards

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

this is rock fan rewriting

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

minimalizing of JAZZ VALUES

im sorry if you guys wanted to make this abt me, or accuse me of being a 'wannabe critic' -- im just responding honestly to what I see as the ANTI JAZZ BIAS of the jazz poll

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

deej you think we have an anti-jazz bias? this is coming from what exactly? that canon records may do well?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

xp Dude, you don't even qualify as a wanna-be critic. You're just stirring shit with clearly uninformed ~~~~controversial opinions~~~~ because you want to pick a fight instead of actually conversing about something, just like you do in, oh, *every other thread*.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link

I wanna know where I stand in yr line of thinking deej. How is my fusion allergy related to an anti-jazz bias?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

i dont get the anti-jazz bias things at all. jazz is obviously a broad church encompassing lots of different styles. most of these styles have been represented. A lot of posters are into the different styles too. i don't see what is wrong with that? (yes i'm one who likes lots of styles)

Also 'classic' jazz from the 50s and 60s has been very well represented in this poll so far.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

xp Dude, you don't even qualify as a wanna-be critic. You're just stirring shit with clearly uninformed ~~~~controversial opinions~~~~ because you want to pick a fight instead of actually conversing about something, just like you do in, oh, *every other thread*.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:57 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

'clearly uninformed'

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

For comparison purposes, I looked for some polls on a jazz message board to see what kind of stuff wins over there, but you can't see the poll results unless you voted in them: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?/topic/20189-favorite-1965-john-coltrane-quartet-album/

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

c&P them please?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

About the putative jazz vs not-jazz distinction: what did key players such as Miles and Coltrane think at the time? Did they see projects like Bitches Brew or Ascension as extending the tradition or breaking from it completely?

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link

And now for yet another fusion album that didn't make the top 20..

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

? penguin guide and rolling stone? you provided the examples already, thats what im saying

Stanley Crouch and Ashley Kahn are not rock critics fwiw. I would even go so far as to call them pre-eminent critics in their chosen fields, but that's just me.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

c&P them please?

What? I can't c&p them, I didn't vote and I'm not a member. A few years ago I joined a message board called I Love Music and after reading all the bickering and posturing I can barely stand to listen to most types of music anymore, you think I'm gonna make the same mistake and join a jazz message board?

Shorter answer: You can still read the comments even if you can't see the results.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

xp D-40, familiarity doesn't mean knowledge. You failed to explain how "harp jazz" (which, lol, is an ignorant reductionist term) & "outsider" jazz didn't constitute Real Jazz Worthy of Acclaim (you called the latter "straight jazz" iirc haha), for one thing. And maybe if you just accepted that your hierarchy is just as arbitrary as anyone else's, no one would mind. But you don't. :(

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

listening to Grant Green's Street of Dreams for the first time and ~~vibing~~ hard

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

Miles' glasses on that cover crack me up

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

Who's the vibes player on that, a hoy hoy, Bobby Hutcherson?

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

those glasses are totally anti jazz

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't say they weren't real jazz worthy of acclaim

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

"He Loved Him Madly" floors me every single time.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

Did they see projects like Bitches Brew or Ascension as extending the tradition or breaking from it completely?

this is an interesting point - it's been a long time since I read any Coltrane bios. Miles didn't give a fuck about genre labels by the time he went electric afaict

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

Who's the vibes player on that, a hoy hoy, Bobby Hutcherson?

― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:10 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yup. <3

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

Money Jungle liner notes btw make mention of Mingus's autobiog and i've never thought about reading up on muh jazz heroes and now kinda wanna go book buying crazy. any recommended reads?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

Its real jazz worthy of acclaim that also happens to be a cornerstone of the hipster jazz record collector continuum that imo overvalues a certain kind of jazz record ... Saying kob is overrated but a love supreme is coltranes greatest accomplishment is a symptom of this thinking. obv my framing here can be construed as picking a fight or w/e but I think its a fair sitting of the biases that result in so many sun ra, fusion and spiritual hat records making the list

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

I really like the miles bio "round about midnight" and think its a really slept on read.

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

any recommended reads?

Yes, Straight Life, by Art Pepper.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

any recommended reads?

http://cache3.bookdepository.co.uk/assets/images/book/small/9780/3068/9780306808555.jpg

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

If you want to learn about jazz steer clear of the Mingus "autobiography". If, on the other hand, you want to read improbable stories of Mingus having acrobatic sex with every woman he meets, go ahead.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

the hipster jazz record collector

as opposed to the hipster jazz record musician like the guys who made half our fav. records?

i never said KOB was overrated btw. I just said I like other Miles records better.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

Cheers for the recs. Off to amazon I go (to line up things hoping I get the job I interviewed for this morning and the payrise that goes with.)

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

spiritual hat records making the list

i am starting to love this description.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

If you want to learn about jazz steer clear of the Mingus "autobiography". If, on the other hand, you want to read improbable stories of Mingus having acrobatic sex with every woman he meets, go ahead.

this book is hilarious fwiw

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

The mingus autobio is ridic and pulpy but imo a highly entertaining read

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

xp Me too - once the rollout is done I'm thinking of polling all the hats.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

Roland Kirk bio "Bright Moments" is really good. Miles' autobio is interesting and (as should be expected) completely self-serving. "Space is the Place" is fantastic.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

44    Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
http://zenekucko.ucoz.com/_bl/25/38975176.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6P3jzdPK5VMbzuJ2HcRt9y

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

"Space is the Place" is fantastic.

The John Szwed book about Miles is also pretty good.

Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

xps Dunno - about halfway through Beneath the Underdog I started getting queasy at the weird fantasy stuff like Mingus getting his two lovers into prostitution and them being all "yeah baby!" about it.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

About the putative jazz vs not-jazz distinction: what did key players such as Miles and Coltrane think at the time? Did they see projects like Bitches Brew or Ascension as extending the tradition or breaking from it completely?

― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:04 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

My guess or at least hope is that as consumate musicians of the highest order they gave up on trying to figure out whether they fit "jazz" or not and just aimed to make the music they wanted to make. That said I think there's a cool thesis/antithesis/synthesis thing going on, where I can see how someone at the time of Bitches Brew might throw up his hands and say "Ok, this is SO far outside of what I think of as jazz, and brings in so much non-jazz influence that I don't think it's jazz anymore," but meanwhile the very fact of a jazz musician making records like that in the long run kind of pushes the line outward so that eventually what people in later decades consider "jazz" is broader.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

weird fantasy stuff like Mingus getting his two lovers into prostitution and them being all "yeah baby!" about it.

this is just him wanting to be Iceberg Slim or whatever

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

xp haha but that's the thing, D-40, your stance is still arbitrary. You have failed to explain or mention what musical qualities make these "overvalued" records less valuable or worthy than whatever ones you prefer. You're referring to extramusical things - like, y'know, hats (WTF) & how much fans of music made by people with said hats annoy you.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

I want a spiritual hat.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

glad Time Out didn't make the top 20. I just don't get what makes it such a canon record. Well its in lots of adverts I guess.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

yeah just seems like you're judging a record on the merits of its audience. sure, some of these things have a "hipness" cache that doesn't have anything to do with the music -- "check out Sun Ra man, he was from outer space!" But there's still the music.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

tbf deej is more of an audience critic than a music critic

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

glad Time Out didn't make the top 20

never dug Brubeck either. I get why people like it but it just doesn't do it for me.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

this is the one i play for people not into brubeck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1X8CvYAK-E
i think i'm more of a paul desmond fan though -- his records with Jim Hall are worth searching out.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

tbf deej is more of an audience critic than a music critic

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:28 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

http://moochey.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/336-ice-cube-chris-tucker-damn.gif?w=350&h=263

some dude, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link

And now for another fusion album (sans hat) that didn't make the top 20

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

My guess or at least hope is that as consumate musicians of the highest order they gave up on trying to figure out whether they fit "jazz" or not and just aimed to make the music they wanted to make. That said I think there's a cool thesis/antithesis/synthesis thing going on, where I can see how someone at the time of Bitches Brew might throw up his hands and say "Ok, this is SO far outside of what I think of as jazz, and brings in so much non-jazz influence that I don't think it's jazz anymore," but meanwhile the very fact of a jazz musician making records like that in the long run kind of pushes the line outward so that eventually what people in later decades consider "jazz" is broader.

― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:23 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

Good points. Also, I'm not certain that too many (or any) of the music's innovators consciously approached their work as being part of a genre. Duke always said, "Oh, we stopped using that word ["jazz"] in the 40s"; Miles, when someone said, "You're a jazz musician, aren't you?" replied, "I'm a musician, that's all"; Thelonious Monk, talking to Bob Dylan: "We all play folk music."

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

i feel like i've heard other brubeck (solo maybe? its been a while) that i really enjoyed but time out just seems kinda rote compared to what his contemparies were doing.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

that is a dope cover at least, poss. miles's best.

ok i've just noticed a brubeck record called DAVE DIGS DISNEY and have a morbid curiousity. should i?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

^^even without miles, that'd be classic. what a band. i feel like a lot of the 70s miles stuff is his bands trying to *figure* out what they're doing -- which results in some really exciting music (and some stuff that's a little bit tough to get with). But Agharta/Pangea sound like they know exactly what they're doing, like they're playing everything for maximum effect. really well named records, too, the music sounds like tectonic plates shifting, life starting.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

maybe dave digs disney is good i dunno? i kind of love his version of singin in the rain.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

But there's still the music.

the tuneless, ugly, noodly music is the real draw! (I keed, it's cool y'all dig that stuff, I've never been able to get into it)

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

http://img2.wantitall.co.za/images/ShowImage.aspx?ImageId=Miles-Davis-Agharta-Blu-Spec-CD%7C61IeQ89LYlL.jpg

agharta's japanese cover > that other cover up there

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

ha whoa, never seen that before.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

ok this blue cover book is a+ but what i really want to mention is how many make me want to laugh. albums covers should be funnier/funner more often.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

also i definitely don't think that deej is having a jazz vs. not jazz argument; he's just annoyed at the records that are critically enshrined by the rock dudes, which are enshrined for sort of arbitrary reasons also ("spiritual," "sounds like rock sort of") and direct attention away from records that are instrumental in defining the actual sound and feel and culture of jazz (which is also sort of a hard thing to pin down but deej definitely has something in mind)

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

42    Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2IjE77e29wQ/SQEZCwNvPWI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/SxvinJz6NjQ/s400/61GjcWK%252BPKL__SS500_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/62RMymUs9Cb4rDqYqXfTCf

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

maybe what puts me off w/ that line of thinking is- i don't think of rock as "spiritual" or "transcendent" or whatever, most of the time, unless it incorporates other genres like jazz or classical strings etc.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

i definitely wasn't conflating the two. still trying to figure out in my head why rock crits got so attracted to the spiritual beat but i have a feeling it has something to do with some sort of racism

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link

being atypical in the rock world tends to get you more notice than doing what's been done before (or a slight variation of that) extremely awesomely.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

oh no not the 'r' word!!!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

lol bradnelson

agharta isn't jazz though

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

being atypical in the rock world tends to get you more notice than doing what's been done before (or a slight variation of that) extremely awesomely.

This can also be a matter of having trouble making more subtle distinctions between works in a relatively unfamiliar genre. It's definitely easier to see the really divergent stuff rather than seeing why someone in a tradition is doing something considered better than others equally grounded in the tradition. (I am inadvertently supporting deej here, I think.)

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

41    John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
http://jazzismylife.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/cover49.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4t43Wkg1efBwey0Y5GPyEy

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^my jam.

sam talks about his book some more pt 6: stanley turrentine sure can pull a face.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

oh hey that's a good coltrane record right there

rashied ali for president

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link

(And the religion angle of rock critics might partly be related to the whole Christgau type emphasis on social significance.)

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

that's not specific to rock at all

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

i haven't heard interstellar space yet (same goes for a lot of the post- classic quintet stuff) -- i'm kinda saving up. I gorged on Coltrane records a few years back and didn't want to run out! maybe now's the time, though.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

40    Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
https://www.ifmusic.co.uk/images/product_images/donaldbyrdnewperspective.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3LG1c3DYgaEtCxea2z7ZSa

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

Interstellar Space is definitely the place to start for late-period Coltrane and, I'd argue, one of the key documents of 20th century music.

xp

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

I went backwards to the Byrd stuff from his 70s funk albums, but I found I really liked a lot of that era too and this was definitely my favourite of the albums.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

Zvookster its not specific to rock but how it Is about social significance can vary genre to genre

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

That byrd seems a bit high to me but I do dig that album. Byrd had a great pop ear

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

idk, stanley crouch, richard cook, brian morton, downbeat, ashley kahn etc. still being called rock dudes itt

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

various critics bailed on coltrane at various points along his journey i'm sure but where is this jazz canon of non-rock dudes who all put down a love supreme?

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

will now officially complain that A New Perspective is TOO LOW!

re: Agharta/Pangea - the thing that got me into those records, oddly enough, was some random Motorbooty piece that described them as Miles "with his finger on the g-spot of mother earth". that description has always stuck with me.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.downbeat.com/default.asp?sect=stories&subsect=story_detail&sid=773 xp

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

Miscellaneous Instrument: Roland Kirk-Manzello & Stritch

*sigh*

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

Sounds like a ventriloquist act: "The amazing Roland Kirk-Manzello, and his pal Stritch!"

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

Zvookster your confusing "likes a love supreme" with "thinks a love supreme is tranes best." Crouch is invested in a project of deifying coltrane so hearing him say a negative thing abt "a love supreme" would run counter to his overall project

Don't you think the reason khan wrote a book on "supreme" vs the others might be related to which book there was a market for

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

Khannnnnnnnnn!

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

crouch hates late coltrane fwiw, thinks the dude lost the plot post-classic quintet.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

just show me this canon! how hard can it be? cause it looks like it doesn't exist on the evidence xxp

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

Crouch is invested in a project of deifying coltrane so hearing him say a negative thing abt "a love supreme" would run counter to his overall project

Crouch saying something negative about Coltrane's post-1965 output would also run counter to that project, but I'm pretty sure Crouch has done so at least seven times just in the last hour.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

deej's world of jazz people

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

Yes he thinks trane fell off but that doesn't contradict what I said??

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

"show me this canon" ? Wtf is wrong with you

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

Granny daingers world of shitty opinions

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

deejs world of made up opinions

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

why you so aggro dude, go lie outside, it's beautiful out you herb

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums from the era that got considerably more attention from folks outside of the jazz world

― D-40, Thursday, September 1, 2011

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

39    Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cLI19EXK2oU/S_l037yAgEI/AAAAAAAAAoE/N-FpD2kNNR0/s1600/1216728063031_f.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/56WqCnM5giX57Jr3aAN2aK

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

about right

maybe the best miles album imo

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

Will be taking it down to #31 tonight. Originally was going to try take it down further and do the top 20 friday but i doubt we will have time.
If there's lots of posts when we get to 31 i could continue but no point if no-ones around.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

It will finish friday though

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to do the requisite research w citations to prove that "a love supreme" isn't seen as tranes best album by all jazz critics, unfortunately it takes more work than the wikipedia search you dudes did to prove it is acclaimed, but I've been reading about jazz since I was a teenager and have a decent grasp of the nature of jazz discourse thanks

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

hahaha

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

hey, i just want to say, no matter how inevitable the results are, i've seen at least three people on this thread listen to grant green for the first time because of this poll

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

Sam it's funny you say that, It's one of the earliest Miles cd's i bought and never got into it and i just found loads more I did. I will get back to it.

infact i'll spotify it now (i have that miles complete columbia box set but my cd players gone a bit weird and dont wanna scratch anything)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

what i'm trying to say is

everyday is a winding road

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

i've seen at least three people on this thread listen to grant green for the first time because of this poll

warms the cockles of my heart

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

just to be clear here - deej's position is that Crouch and Kahn's public opinions about A Love Supreme have no bearing on the jazz canon, as they both have conflicts of interest/economic/professional incentives to promote it. Also we should take deej's word for it that tons of other jazz critics (presumably totally impartial ones with no conflicts of interest) don't rate ALS very highly.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

glad that's settled
xp

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

I have also been reading about jazz since I was a teenager btw

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

There's quite a few albums in the top 50 I don't know or have only heard once, but I don't think I've hated any of the ones I've heard that made it. Maybe one day I'll get into vocal jazz?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

in fact deej said everyone knew it was "one of his lesser albums" backing up his "vocal mantras" "smh @ rock dudes" "nowhere near among his best" opinions, read any jazz crit etc.

classic backpedal.gif

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

i sort of get and don't get your objection to sun ra, deej

i mean, for every moog spacheship suite he incorporated some pretty traditional jazz on his records. vocal jazz, too. i know he is critically ensconced because white people love outer space but i think in listening to his records people can be clued in to the wider tradition.

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't listen to jazz until i was like 23 and never read about it bar one big book in the library that recommended lots of it (from bebop to fusion inc free)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

Just to be clear, shakey is putting words in my mouth

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe one day I'll get into vocal jazz?

aw what?! Betty Carter! that Byrd album! I repped for Blossom Dearie too but nobody cared

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

Just to be clear, shakey is putting words in my mouth

it's so big, looked like there was room

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

Zvookster what trane albums have u heard

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

i've read Alyn Shipton's A New History of Jazz, which is not thrilling prose but is really good, i recommend it

deej, giant steps favorite things blue train a love supreme and live at the village vangaurd again

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

oh i can listen to that kind of stuff fine, but i've never got into the big jazz singers

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

can't wait for love supreme to be #1 in this poll

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

that is of course irrelevant xxp

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

Has anyone actually linked to any jazz critics saying supreme is his best record

And for what its worth citing crouch is lol at one level bcuz hes a total jazz crit contrarian!

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

can't wait for love supreme to be #1 in this poll

lol

I kinda don't expect it to be tho

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

just show me this canon!

guessing that deej's impression of jazz critical consensus is inside of books which are not archived forever on the internet

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

let me know if i'm wrong about that

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

i think the reason people are jumping on deej is because he spoke about a canon that he refers to but wont show a link to it when asked rather than for disagreeing with his point of view. If it was just that i'm sure there would be less clowning.
xps

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

nothing wrong with listing books

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

anyway sketches of spain is a pretty fucking cool record, right

deep dark marches

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

Has anyone actually linked to any jazz critics saying supreme is his best record

And for what its worth citing crouch is lol at one level bcuz hes a total jazz crit contrarian!

― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:40 (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"no one has cited this except one guy who doesnt count" and you havent provided any critics who work towards YR point

just quit already dude

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

the issue was not "is it coltrane's best", it was if deej's "smh @ vocal mantras" was backed up by jazz dudes like he said

i <3 sketches of spain

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

smh @ castanets

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, but castanets played by Elvin Jones!

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

deej has been a manifesto in search of a subject since post one, railing against "rock dudes" when things turned up with 6 votes

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

basically it's my memory of jazz crit vs. deej's (I don't keep my crit library at work). Wilmer, Crouch, and Kahn all love ALS, dunno if they would call it "his best" but I think they would disagree with deej that no case could be made for it. When people write entire books about an album - even setting marketing reasons aside - they're implicitly acknowledging its value and priveleging it over other albums. I don't think anyone's written any books about "Crescent", for ex, even if it is cited as the clear template for ALS.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

still laughing at "smh @ vocal mantras" but surely it would be better directed at om

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

hey now dont slag Om!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

basically it's my memory of jazz crit vs. deej's (I don't keep my crit library at work). Wilmer, Crouch, and Kahn all love ALS, dunno if they would call it "his best" but I think they would disagree with deej that no case could be made for it. When people write entire books about an album - even setting marketing reasons aside - they're implicitly acknowledging its value and priveleging it over other albums. I don't think anyone's written any books about "Crescent", for ex, even if it is cited as the clear template for ALS.

xp

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:47 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

because there is an audience for these records that there arent for other jazz canon LPs. a love supreme sold better than any other record he released

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

'smh @ vocal mantras' is making fun of the ~values of rock dudes~ not actually dissing 'a love supreme' which is fwiw an awesome record

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

like, of course crouch never wrote a piece called 'smh @ jazz mantras' -- his enemies are 'jazz that is too free' and 'jazz that doesnt swing,' not 'record collector rock dudes' (my enemies) per se

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

still laughing at "smh @ vocal mantras" but surely it would be better directed at om

lol

deej do "rock dudes" love Om?

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

'record collector rock dudes' (my enemies)

what are you doing here

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

tilting at windmills etc

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

What is wrong with 'record collector rock dudes'? :( isn't that what a lot of us are?
And is a 'record collector rap dude' as bad as a rock one? i.e. you hate all record collectors?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

hey now dont slag Om!

not even! love that record! listen to it and think "oh my god it's full of stars," etc.!

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

What is wrong with 'record collector rock dudes'? :( isn't that what a lot of us are?
And is a 'record collector rap dude' as bad as a rock one? i.e. you hate all record collectors?

gonna go out on a limb here and say the real issue is deej hates himself and projects his rage onto others in order to distinguish himself from those like him

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

aww man no need to get personal in this thread

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

im enjoying the actual discussion though

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

urgh yeah sorry that was uncalled for

aaaaaanyway back to the records! I have never really liked Sketches of Spain fwiw.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

hey i've got a psych degree and i say deej has a high degree of need to feel superior to others ok let's talk about how awesome sketches of spain is now
xp hahaha

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

38    Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
http://991.com/newGallery/Ornette-Coleman-Free-Jazz-459655.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7zE4RadAWa8lYSvAZkGtFw

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

ha, never been into that one. a buncha noise! well, not really, but it sounds pretty messy to me.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

I voted for it!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

I remember the first time I tried to listen to this album at work. lolz

it's good, it's a landmark, but I've got to be in the right mood for it and the intensity/non-stop aggro-ness

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

a fair placing then you would say?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

hey i've got a psych degree and i say deej has a high degree of need to feel superior to others ok let's talk about how awesome sketches of spain is now
xp hahaha

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:56 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lmao are u practicing on this thread

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

dont have a problem w/ ornette's placement, he never resonated as much w/ me personally

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

love sketches of spain, although im one of the few who actually likes porgy & bess the most of the gil collabs

never really liked 'miles ahead' that much tho

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

the first time I heard Ornette I was surprised that it didn't ALL sound like Free Jazz tbh. Ornette! and This is Our Music, for example, are not that way out at all, the material follows standard jazz structures and sure some of the playing is weird (lol plastic instruments) but it's not at all abrasive and wild, if anything it's very lyrical and melodic.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

I'd probably place Free Jazz lower than the other Ornette albums on here.

Moodles, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

but from everything I had read about Ornette I was expecting non-stop fiery free wailing

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

I had a similar experience. Much of his great albums don't sound particularly crazy or out, but I don't know exactly how they were perceived at the time.

Moodles, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

ha yeah, that's what i expected too. i think ayler was what i expected after reading about ornette. but those early records, like you say, are so much more playful -- fun even!

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

37    Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
http://image.lyricspond.com/image/c/artist-charles-mingus/album-pithecanthropus-erectus/cd-cover.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4kZ55sjjRKgCphjOmSMR7o

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

^^^surprised how high that was, i was under the impression ppl thought that was a lesser record, i like the title track a whole bunch tho

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

listening to sketches now and really digging saeta

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

never understood why pithecanthropus erectus had that later shot of mingus pasted on it.
here's the original cover
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Pithecanthropus_Erectus.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

that cover is atrocious

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

weird! I've never seen that

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

pretty bad though. could've been a Monk cover!

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

love the album though, was the first mingus i ever bought.

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

yeah the other one is more common for whatever reason, but it's just wrong.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

i don't like that original version at all

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rgcl0ewXrrU/TXq1EFKvxbI/AAAAAAAABBU/KJnVzVB_JY4/s400/rollins.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0yodD8uAkAT5UmrlF2xy97

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

^sweet drumming on that one

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

We can't make small comments anymore. They have to be essays on the sociopolitical implications of said sweet drumming.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

most records you buy w/ max roach on them are going to be good in my experience. he's like a trademark of quality.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

sweet drumming is righteous class war

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

that was my #1

little mushroom person (abanana), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

most records you buy w/ max roach on them are going to be good in my experience. he's like a trademark of quality.

― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

smash the patriarchy with sweet drumming™

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

HAHA

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

35    Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
http://image-7.verycd.com/3ae920d343bc5d1c1ef1368bc962b6cf24806(600x)/thumb.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5Nu0qsOuJlFr9lQIp8kWBB

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

Still as astonishing as ever.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not the only one who thought this might sneak in the top 10 right?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

interesting cover there

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

top 35=34 miles albums & love supreme

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

A great album, but it's swung from underrated to overrated in the past 10 years.

Moodles, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

i still remember hearing this for the 1st time in the mid-late 90s. I ordered it in via the library,it was in the big stores section of a library in east kilbride and hadn't been in the proper library for years so it was in great condition and it blew me away. Wish i had offered to buy it from them. Luckily it got a bit of a revival a few years back with that box and is now longer 'a lost classic'.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

didn't realize this one was so regarded. pretty good album, nothing extraordinary. might have to reinvestigate tho.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

box set of jack johnson sessions is worth it imo, tons of great stuff. not that pricey these days either.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

Yes! Mine came with a spiritual hat.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

34    Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
http://www.honestjons.com/doc_library/Originals/27398.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/647o8vl4OD1sjvvhql3jFS

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

Ooooh, this one's great.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

Great record, well chuffed it got in so high. I really recommend it to those who haven't heard it. Fantastic line up on it too.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

1st one in top 50 I've never heard of. Never even heard of Andrew Hill. Get a more distinctive jazzy name imo.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

go listen to some andrew hill. he's awesome.

wmlynch, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

i havent listened to that one in a loooong time need to check again

one of the greatest cover arts

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

so this would be a good entry point on him?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

definitely

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

or Black Fire

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

Re: Jack Johnson, Moodles otm:

A great album, but it's swung from underrated to overrated in the past 10 years.

― Moodles, Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:38 PM (16 minutes ago)

Xgau's A+ is way too high.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

he's had 4 in the list now and you couldn't go wrong with getting all 4.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

will check it out, but if it's not marginally better than Jack Johnson I won't be responsible for my actions...

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link

the challop used to be that jack johnson was better than bitches brew, i kind of like it more personally, i agree that the swing back for Miles 70s records in general means that its hard to say its underrated any more

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link

it's more pleasant to listen to and ~groovier~ than bitches brew, but bb is more dynamic and colorful

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

33    Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0qgaENiSr4s/TV6s3zfSf6I/AAAAAAAABdw/ueglAH0BJxg/s1600/cover.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7i3cnReSEEPTFeeTDiERyh

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

mingus mingus mingus mingus

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

thats my fav mingus -- its like 'ah um' amped up x1000

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

you notice that there's not really been any huge jumps in points?
It's very very tight in the top 15, and 1 ballot could have changed the order.
The top are very close. And the winner didn't win by much at all. So good luck guessing the top 15 nevermind the winner..

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

There are some jumps in points though, and the top five all score over 3000.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

I hope Derek Bailey's 'Aida' wins because LOL

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

32    Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-geZndEg6KbQ/TZdDtFYH4JI/AAAAAAAAA7M/vvO26fxdyXE/s1600/machinegun.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1JCuoMJbPeDknbjWPVAV9R

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

yeah but the points go up gradually rather than jump

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

yay!

I think I'll take it through a bit more tonight so we can finish earlier tomorrow? I know some people have to leave work and miss the results. Or do you want to finish at #31?

Anyone for or against?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

was Live In Berlin ’71 even nominated? :(

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

anyone want to guess who had that at #1?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

I think we should go down to #26

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

yay. but i think we need some other than a poll co-runner to agree!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

or maybe have a spiritual hats poll as an interlude

who wore it better?

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

the challop used to be that jack johnson was better than bitches brew, i kind of like it more personally, i agree that the swing back for Miles 70s records in general means that its hard to say its underrated any more

― D-40, Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:03 PM Bookmark

I like several of the electric records better than Bitches Brew. In fact I think a lot of the non-album material on The Complete Bitches Brew Sessions better than the album. To me this doesn't feel like a challop so much as a result of history shaking out. Bitches Brew was once THE canonical electric miles because it was sort of the big breakout album, you know, 'important' and all that. At least that's my theory -- it became the standard because it was a watershed, but Miles improved on the concept later.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

anyway kerry you should go on as long as you want

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

I prefer jack johnson to BB but most dont agree

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

yah that seems right
curious where u stand on the 'love supreme' debate? xxps to hurting

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

Taking it through to #26 tonight btw. So hope you all stick around

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

this next one is a beauty of an album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

Bitches Brew was once THE canonical electric miles

surely it's On the Corner now...?

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

on the corner was the pop miles album right? i know that was like the lester bangs one

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

yes yes get the 'too low' shouts in. It's going to happen with (almost) every album from now on isn't it?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

xp pop miles album? not quite. i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder how many lee morgan albums will make it? im assuming 'sidewinder,' what about 'cornbread'?

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

I can see Lester digging OTC, but that's news to me. It may have been Miles' "attempt" at a funk pop record but it fails so hard on that criteria - it's way too harsh

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

A Love Supreme:Coltrane's prior work is not really a good analogy to Bitches Brew:Miles's prior work imo. I mean really A Love Supreme sounds like much less of a departure from the work of his past few years. I mean what's the big deal, he sings on one track? A couple of the movements would be at home on pretty much any Coltrane Impulse record. He had already done arguably 'gimmicky' stuff like My Favorite Things and Inch Worm, not to mention Ballads or the Duke Ellington record, and A Love Supreme gives you a lot to dig into compared to some of his material from the period.

I don't know if it's the BEST Coltrane record, but it's really pretty and really heavy too, so I don't particularly mind it being the favorite.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

xp pop miles album? not quite. i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.

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i dont mean pop in a dissing it sense, just as a crossover

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

i know miles had some weird idea that on the corner was going to really appeal to black kids, but miles was crazy.

yeah he may have been closer to the pulse of the (well, mostly white) youth with Bitches Brew but by the time of On the Corner dude was obviously *really* disconnected from the pop market. also: cocaine.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, Bitches Brew crossed over a lot more than OTC. I don't think that album was a hit.
bangs wrote about on the corner -- i'm not sure whether he * liked * it per se.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link

Bitches Brew was once THE canonical electric miles

surely it's On the Corner now...?

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:35 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This on the other hand does actually kind of annoy me, just because On The Corner is sort of an outlier album even among the electric stuff. It's a great record but it feels really vastly apart from the rest of his electric period. Like if it's your favorite electric miles record fine but to my mind that just means you don't really like electric miles.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

oh i didnt mean to compare the miles & trane pop vs spiritual hat vs. 'real jazz' or w/e they both have totally diff & complicated relationships w/ audiences & discourses etc -- was just wondering where 'a love supreme' stood in your personal canon xps to hurting

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

Like if it's your favorite electric miles record fine but to my mind that just means you don't really like electric miles.

oh come on. it stands out but it's of a piece with stuff that came after, some of which included pieces cut from the OTC sessions.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

In re popularity, I think that's also just the result of timing and a marketing coup -- around when Bitches Brew came out, Miles and/or his management had the great idea of having him play all these big hippie venues like the Fillmore and various festivals and such, and the music was just connected enough to what the kids were listening to at that moment, and the zeitgeist was very "let's EXPAND OUR MINDS" so I think there was a window where people were open to it. OTC probably just wasn't timed/destined to meet that same kind of openness.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

what do you think sets it apart so much from Agharta... or Get Up With It? I guess a bunch of the "songs" are shorter, but then they're all mixed together.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

i know that at the time, on the corner wasnt considered a huge success, i mean 'pop miles' in a more contemporary sense fwiw -- its definitely an 'intro to miles' record for a lot of people in the past few years (which surprised me bcuz its so different from the miles eras i was introduced to)

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link

The other electric records retain much more of a sense of a bunch of musicians improvising together -- OTC sounds more composed (or at least more heavily edited) and is more repetitive imo. It's mostly beats and themes with variations. They're all groove-oriented, but OTC is much moreso.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

30    Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1  
http://i40.tinypic.com/a2svpx.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/71ITD2qnGTd6JJZQvGMJRH

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

huh, i would not pick OTC as an intro to miles tbh. it's a pretty challenging record. electric miles is best approached via in a silent way i think. might even just be best to go chronologically from there.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

huh, i would not pick OTC as an intro to miles tbh. it's a pretty challenging record. electric miles is best approached via in a silent way i think. might even just be best to go chronologically from there.

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what if youre into, like, the boredoms or can or faust or something? idk thats the context i see it in typically

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I'd say Silent Way too, but it depends which direction you come from.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

ive never heard that shepp record

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

it's a great record, I voted for it.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

I find Bitches Brew pretty accessible (it was my way into electric Miles), but yeah I still find OTC not so easy-listening.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

i've introduced quite a few people to miles through jack johnson. "rock" people that is...

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

Would probably rate a few of the others over it though.
xps

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

In A Silent Way is definitely the best intro to electric Miles for non-jazz types. Eno loves it!

Number None, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

It's a good one. I think Shepp is one of those musicians who made about 50 mediocre records and four or five brilliant ones, and this is definitely one of the brilliant ones. xp

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

what if youre into, like, the boredoms or can or faust or something? idk thats the context i see it in typically

yeah i suppose that makes sense.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
http://images.hhv.de/catalog/detail_big/00022/22927.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1uPpf0LfR227I6vruxYkxZ

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

i remember moving in reverse like -- i was into miles, and that miles album wasnt one i loved but got into that kind of kraut stuff in reverse (after seeing it compared to later miles) & finding it a bit 'simple' (lol jazzism) for me at the time ... like, i think i didnt get the appeal of the motorik style or w/e until later, i was used to the appeal of jazz soloists operating w/in the context of the groove rather than the groove existing for itself

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

dont know that herbie album at all either

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

http://image.lyricspond.com/image/h/artist-herbie-hancock/album-mwandishi-the-complete-warner-bros-recordings/cd-cover.jpg
re: herbie, this is very much worth your $10

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

doing weather report covers in jazz band initially scared me away from fusion ... i thought stuff like 'birdland' was sooo corny

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

which explains why i missed a lot of later herbie

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

yeah WTF with this Herbie record?!

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

little surprised to see it so high, but it is great. again, get that 2 CD warner recordings thing! it is the best.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

It's the same group that did Sextant, right?

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

just odd that I know the albums before and after this one, but never came across it. cover is very odd, kinda ugly...?

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

yeah more or less same band as sextant.

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link

mwandishi band is all time

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link

yes
can i just
http://neverenoughrhodes.blogspot.com/2008/05/never-enough-live-herbie-hancock.html

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

oh didnt realize this was that early. yah i like this era

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

This album does tend to get overlooked yet is very highly regarded, but most people (rock crits/record collectors) go for sextant but dont delve into anything else from this period. Apart from the obvious big album that i wont mention incase it does/doesn't make it.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link

gonna assume both headhunters and sextant will show up here

tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

i probably voted for/own the entire top 30(or beyond) but i cba checking and instead i'll post the next one

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

one of my fave ever herbie anecdotes is from an old wire article on the mwandishi years where patrick gleeson was talking about trying to mix synths/keyboards into the band's sound for the first time and how he kept getting the mean mug from buster williams all night until someone finally took him aside and said "no one plays LOWER than buster in this band."

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

artwork looks like it should be on the side of sun ra's chevy van

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

28    Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
http://jeffsplace.me/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Joe-Henderson-Page-One.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7mQGTuvmdp56DNz0AmMwWi

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

xp I remember that Wire article - bought Sextant off the back of that, iirc the 2nd jazz album I owned.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

impressed how high that finished, henderson usually gets underrated!

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link

page one must have been one of the first 60s blue notes i bought

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

page one was #7 in my ballot

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:17 (twelve years ago) link

not familiar with it, audio samples sound intriguing, so I ordered it for $3.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link

27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
http://revivalist.okayplayer.com/core/wp-content/uploads/Miles_Davis-On_The_Corner-Frontal.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4K7w2LiKZz0CyHXl6OtkOu

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:23 (twelve years ago) link

Indeed, I did vote Miles.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link

haha a helluva lot did

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

this might have been my #1, I can't remember

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

yes, it was

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

like OTC but glad it didn't place higher

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

it was

xps

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

never one of my favorite miles records

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

I actually assumed it would be in the top 10.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

yah a lil surprised it wasnt higher

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

me too. but I did say that a lot of albums didn't place as high as i thought would, and some didn't at all. Yet others were astonishingly high.
welcome to an ilm poll!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

im guessing headhunters didnt make :O

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link

I thought about voting in this poll but I would of put all my points in Cosmic Tones For Mental Therapy and voted for nothing else

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know if I would of been allowed to have only a single vote so I went away

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

I'd happily acknowledge that Miles made records as strong if not better than OTC but that's just the one that had the biggest impact on me and has the most sentimental value. I came across it at a time when my listening habits were really expanding and it intersected with a bunch of other things (McLaughlin copping the riff from Funkadelic's "Super Stupid" for ex). Most importantly, I've never grown tired of it.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

what can I say I just wanted it to place highly!

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

oddly, maybe having my one single vote in this poll would of made the results more diverse

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:39 (twelve years ago) link

this is a pretty diverse list and Sun Ra is already well represented tho

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link

A single #1 would have boosted Cosmic Tones from #105 to #73. Truly a missed opportunity!

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link

last thing we needed was more sun ra!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link

or do we?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link

I just can't understand why Cosmic Tones would hit #105
I feel like if you put a bunch of jazzheads together you are gonna cut out the fringe listeners

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link

pete townshend voted for 100 of them

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link

its kinda funny that people are saying sun ra placed so low

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link

fringe listeners have diametrically different opinions than a jazz hivemind

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

he suffered vote splitting im sure

if having nearly as many records as miles & trane counts as s'suffering'

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

I'm assuming one or two other Ra albums will still show up...? maybe that's being optimistic

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

jazz hivemind did 9/11

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

miles and trane outscored him so far though i lost count

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

Cosmic Tones certainly deserved to be higher. Search For The New Land is my favorite out of these last ones.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

no Sun Ra album is better than Cosmic Tones

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

really?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

easily really

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

I'd be inclined to agree.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

lorax why would anyone only want to vote for one album? we didn't get less than a 10 vote ballot. Which is the way it should be. We got a good few full 100 ballots as well as mine.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

its better than heliocentric worlds of?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

or nothing is?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link

Totally. Black Myth/Out In Space a close second maybe. For me, anyway.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link

Just had to announce my #1 is all
Please go on

I own heliocentric worlds 1 and 2 and yes it is better

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link

I personally prefer The Magic City, but I could go either way. I definitely don't think there is a single Sun Ra record that stands head-and-tinfoil-covered-shoulders above the rest, though.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link

lorax how about -

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:52 (twelve years ago) link

~cosmic hat~

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

nope

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

just get the hatbox set

zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

that kind of puts the other mystical hats to shame tbh

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

speaking purely about the hat itself, not the music contained within the hat

D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link

Controversial! Actually I have no idea why this is the highest Ra - it has a nice version of Space is the Place and that's about it. I did vote for it, mainly out of sentimental reasons: it was the first jazz album I ever bought and did have an effect on how I listened to music.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link

Personally I am a fan of the music contained within that hat. And most of his other hats, too.

Do you have a hat, deej? Or is this partly hat envy?

emil.y, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link

Oh I see it has five stars from Allmusic, maybe it's more canonical than I thought.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link

YESSSSS

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not even sure if I voted for that hat, to be honest. He is a man of too many hats.

emil.y, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link

im sure an actual sun ra albums ballot poll would have different results everytime.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link

For any fans of cheapness out there who haven't heard Herbie Hancock's Crossings, I bought it yesterday for £1.69 from the Amazon MP3 store. Also got Pharoah Sanders' Black Unity album for £0.69.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link

seandalai i think it was probably a lot of peoples first exposure. its on impulse,was reissued and easy to find.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link

Actually I have no idea why this is the highest Ra

I'd venture that it's because the album covers the broad range of styles Ra embraced - there's the chants, the free blowing, some loose big band swing, Rocket No. 9 has some goofy synth sounds - it's about as representative an album as he ever cut. and the movie it's associated with is definitely a masterpiece of some kind, so there's that.

but honestly I agree w/emil.y that there's no clear high point/masterwork in his catalog, he wasn't really that kind of artist. there's albums I prefer more than others for one reason or another, but none of them really encapsulate the whole of his vision and this one probably comes closest.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link

probably the 1st sun ra cd I got after getting the heliocentric worlds of vinyls in fopp in byres road for a fiver each in the 90s.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link

rocket no 9 is awesome

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

'Rocket No. 9' is the song that the MC5 covered amirite?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, I...I've never actually heard this. I've heard the soundtrack (the one on Evidence), but not this.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

no. they "covered" Starship which was actually just some poem that the MC5 set to music of their own...? (I was confused re: this very point on some Sun Ra thread, cuz I'd never come across a song or poem called "Starship", and yet had seen it covered by the MC5 and Spacemen 3)

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:02 (twelve years ago) link

Oh shit, I'm conflating it with Rocket Reducer No. 62 aren't I?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link

Fucking rockets.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link

ahhh, i always wondered about that!! I just assumed it was from one of those hundreds of ra albums i'd never heard!

challops?
i prefer the spacemen 3 version

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link

The "Space is the Place" on this album is probably the first song I ever heard by Sun Ra, that made an impression anyway (back in my teens). Actually, at this point I wouldn't mind if the song were a bit shorter, but the band sounds incredible.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

Point of Departure is one of my jazz albums I really really wanted to like, but I could not get into it. I thought I was going to click with Andrew Hill after hearing some live solo recordings of his that I liked, but it never really happened for me. I do own Compulsion, but mostly for the sake of John Gilmore's presence.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link

I saw Hill live, too. I definitely admire the level at which they were playing, the way they meshed together.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:51 (twelve years ago) link

No posts for the past seven minutes. I killed ILM.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 00:59 (twelve years ago) link

Recap 250-26

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes

49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes

Charles Mingus - 8
Grant Green - 5
Archie Shepp - 7
Thelonious Monk - 7
Herbie Hancock - 8
Pharoah Sanders - 7
Sun Ra - 11
John Coltrane - 18
Miles Davis - 27

Might be others with 5 but cba checking. And of course some are sidemen on other albums.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

Charles Mingus - 8
Grant Green - 5
Archie Shepp - 7
Thelonious Monk - 7
Herbie Hancock - 8
Pharoah Sanders - 7
Sun Ra - 11
John Coltrane - 18
Miles Davis - 27

anyone surprised by which ppl arent in here? maybe Rollins?

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

Hope everyone is still enjoying the jazz poll and will check out as much as they can, especially on the Spotify Poll Results playlist

Will commence the countdown around 2pm UK time unless there's lots of people around posting on the thread and I might start an hour earlier.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link

Sonny Rollins has 4

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link

Ornette Coleman has 5

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

Freddie Hubbard has 5

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link

Donald Byrd has 4

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

disappointed there's no Booker Little ... jaki byard ... im at work right now or i'd check & see who else ... kenny dorham

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link

yeah kenny dorham has one Matador

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

ah ok thats good must have missed that. i always liked 'quiet kenny'

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

una mas was aite too

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

charlie parker with strings -- so this didnt make it?

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link

v little parker at all so far!

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

Hank Mobley has 3 and Lee Morgan has 2 :(
mahavishnu have 1 before willy chugger asks

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

yeah charlie parker only has 1. Duke Ellington has 3

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

all so far obviously ...... or is it?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

Alice Coltrane has 4

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

bobby hutcherson has 4

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link

ellington having fewer makes sense since so much of his best stuff was pre '45 ... although there were def some really, really good records hes done that imo are up with or better than sun ra's 5th best, i.e. his lp with john coltrane ... 'side by side' and 'back to back' ... 'afro eurasian eclipse'

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

parker people usually get into through compilations so i guess i can see how he'd suffer w/ albums

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

i always dug charles lloyd too, missing him here ...

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

im disappointed no-one took my offer on predicting the top 20. (already people have said they didn't as sure-fire choices had already placed low)

But it's much easier now, right?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

No idea of the order now but at least 2 more sun ra- futuristic sounds of and nuclear war are certainties. Duke ellington new orleans suite. Herbie hancocks sextant and headhunters. Miles davis in a silent way, bitches brew , black beauty at filmore west.and kind of blue. Frank zappa - hot rats. Nina simone at carnegie hall.Charlie parker story. Coltrane - a love supreme,my favourite things. Mingus - black saint and sinner lady. Mahavishno orchestra - birds of fire. Weather report s/t. Sonny rollins? Must have a few to come. Sinatra maybe?

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

I'll be shocked as hell if Hot Rats gets named tomorrow.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link

Still holding out for Bill Dixon's Intents and Purposes, though I know it's beyond a long shot at this point.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 02:22 (twelve years ago) link

Good call. But he did say shock misses and entries. But I think the albums i missed will be in the 25. Mingus to win if kob and als are too 'canon' for ilm. Maybe karma or headhunters. Can see sinatra maybe missing out from my list maybe. Anyone vote for him?

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:33 (twelve years ago) link

Still expecting to see Mingus Ah Um and Journey in Satchidananda

Number None, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:36 (twelve years ago) link

futuristic sounds of and nuclear war

No way.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

All the other nominated albums made it so why not those? Yo la tengo covered nuclear war does it get anymore rock friendly?

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

I've never seen enough enthusiasm here for those two albums to place them above the Sun Ra that's already placed. (Anyway, something one of the pollsters said seemed to imply no more Ra on the list.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 02:54 (twelve years ago) link

They did? Where? Not one person mentioned space is the place yet it's placed high.

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link

Controversial! Actually I have no idea why this is the highest Ra - it has a nice version of Space is the Place and that's about it. I did vote for it, mainly out of sentimental reasons: it was the first jazz album I ever bought and did have an effect on how I listened to music.

― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:54 PM (3 hours ago)

Since seandalai is one of the two pollrunners, I assumed this was an accidental spoiler.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 03:13 (twelve years ago) link

Wasn't the conversation about what had placed so far? Armand was posting numbers of the artists albums that placed so far not all in, was he? Or has he inadvertently told us how many placed if each in full??! Hahahaha

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link

Armand own up!

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 03:40 (twelve years ago) link

Will any Ella FItzgerald get in? Oh Dizzy Gillespie! Him and charlie parker will definitely be in. No vote splitting there.

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 04:47 (twelve years ago) link

no ben webster
no coleman hawkins
no billie holiday
no bud powell
no oscar peterson
no ahmad jamal
no django reinhardt
1 count basie
no buddy rich
no lionel hampton
no stan kenton
no louis armstrong
no gene krupa

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 06:28 (twelve years ago) link

otm fukked up

a few of those peaked prior to 45 tho

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:29 (twelve years ago) link

def but i will rep for at least one post 45 album for all of them

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 06:31 (twelve years ago) link

Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch not shown up yet, would love to see that in the top 25.

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:32 (twelve years ago) link

im 100% sure thats in there

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:36 (twelve years ago) link

Yes Gavin, that's a strong contender for top ten in my book, but may be one of those shocking blind spots Armand's talking about.

Giant Steps is another of those maaaaybe... Maybe not. Also The Sidewinder.

Spectrist, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:39 (twelve years ago) link

i think both will def make it. worried about 'cornbread,' i love that album

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:40 (twelve years ago) link

i'm hoping ornette coleman's "the shape of punk to come" will appear.

charlie h, Friday, 2 September 2011 06:51 (twelve years ago) link

xp don't know Cornbread, will have to rectify that, as well as the unfamiliarity with the other hundred or so on the list, good heavens. Loving the results so far, once I'm out of the woods with work I can't wait to settle down with a solid ten-day playlist.

Spectrist, Friday, 2 September 2011 07:01 (twelve years ago) link

I'd be okay with Köln Concert not making my playlist btw. Can't say the same for poor Dexter Gordon tho.

Spectrist, Friday, 2 September 2011 07:05 (twelve years ago) link

I voted for an Art Tatum / Ben Webster LP but doubt it made it.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 07:29 (twelve years ago) link

no modern jazz quartet
no milt jackson
no deodato
no george benson

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 07:36 (twelve years ago) link

Things I expect to see:

Ascension
Blue Train
A Love Supreme
My Favourite Things
Giant Steps
Mingus Ah Um
Black Saint & the Dinner Lady
Journey in Satchidananda
Out To Lunch
The Sidewinder
In A Silent Way
Bitches Brew
Kind Of Blue
Sextant
Headhunters
Karma
The Real McCoy
Brilliant Corners
Spiritual Unity
Unity
Frank Sinatra Sings for Only the Lonely
Songs for Swingin' Lovers
Duke Ellington & John Coltrane

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 08:50 (twelve years ago) link

Moondog ftw btw, fuiud

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 08:51 (twelve years ago) link

Would be great to see some Nina Simone & Billie Holiday too, no idea if folks could agree on favourite albums though.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 09:01 (twelve years ago) link

For any fans of cheapness out there who haven't heard Herbie Hancock's Crossings, I bought it yesterday for £1.69 from the Amazon MP3 store. Also got Pharoah Sanders' Black Unity album for £0.69.

― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 00:57 (10 hours ago) Bookmark

ooooh, really? do you have to sign up or any of that gunk or can you just download and pay like you were ordering a cd?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 10:29 (twelve years ago) link

Re: the discussion long ago about expectations of hearing Ornette the first time - I had this too to a certain extent but it works in steps, right? I mean they were the first *free* band but they were still used to working with each other and knowing what each other was doing within jazz conventions, right? It wouldn't be till later that dudes would just tear it up for the sake of it, whereas those Ornette records still have a sense of "hey he's ripping it, i best stand back" etc.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 10:31 (twelve years ago) link

do you have to sign up or any of that gunk or can you just download and pay like you were ordering a cd?

No, you just go through the checkout in the normal way and then the file starts downloading. Think you might have to install the download program the first time round though, can't remember.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 10:37 (twelve years ago) link

cheers! unity here i come!

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 10:39 (twelve years ago) link

Billy Hart is on that one? Just saw him last week at Birdland, he was great. Hannibal Marvin Peterson? Black Unity here I come, even without UK bargain prices.

Olivia Newsun John (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link

25    Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures  (1966)  1983 Points 15 votes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hLY9DmXXlH4/S-tGlIroIjI/AAAAAAAAB1c/y5_C52qvCmA/s1600/7942.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2GQNkSoyBPwTkpuzn8niec

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

My first Cecil record. I'd duly absorbed Ayler and late-period Coltrane for a year prior to hearing this, but this confused the shit outta me. Once the confusion passed, I couldn't stop listening to it.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

24    Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-MhNrNL5MTkQ/TBboYO63VhI/AAAAAAAAbAc/qsuHrKavvKM/the%252520sidewinder.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1n1trPeeY9Q5H4eLbbHHRg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

anybody here?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

someone should do a jazz covers poll, divided up into spiritual hat and non-spiritual hat.

Neil S, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link

seandalai is doing a spiritual hat poll after this but he's worried over arguments over 'but that isn't a jazz hat' type comments

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

xp I was going to poll all the hat covers.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

If we descend to the level of arguing whether a given headpiece is a hat or not then we all deserve to die.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

it's ilx

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

deej to thread

Neil S, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway thanks for this guys, an almost overwhelming number of new records to listen to, which I'm very excited about! Keep 'em coming...

Neil S, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RBFN7PJQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

^ my favourite jazz hat cover

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link

ilm where posters would rather argue over spiritual hats than music

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link

hats, bicycles and jazz FTW

Neil S, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link

more a cap than a hat imo

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

23    Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes
http://i7.tinypic.com/6g8vwww.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6V91XmWywH57srvy7oRYNO

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PbIEwrCxL._SS135_SL160_.jpg
(Bill Dixon's November, 1981)
As he once said, "You've got to know how to wear a hat."

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link

Destination Out!

broom air, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

OUT! DESTINATION...

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

huh haven't heard that cecil taylor or that jackie mclean. i hereby resign my post as a jazz d-bag.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 14:56 (twelve years ago) link

22    Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes
http://www.silvertentacle.com/images/MILES%20DAVIS%20ROUND%20ABOUT%20MIDNIGHT.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4VUawqEDCHHfrUe77ScQ2K

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link

I'd say either Unit Structures or Conquistador! is the place to start for small-group Cecil. xp

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:01 (twelve years ago) link

Destination Out is great. McLean, Hutcherson, and Moncur collaborated on a few records around this time, maybe most notably Moncur's two GREAT records "Evolution" and "Some Other Stuff." If I'd gotten my act together to vote for this, both of those would have made my top 20 easy (Some Other Stuff probably top ten).

I saw the reunited band in Grant Park in Chicago in the 90s. Everyone was great, except Moncur. Nevertheless a great event.

broom air, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link

cool, yeah moncur's records are ones i've been meaning to get to.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

It will blow your mind!

broom air, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link

The Moncur Mosaic Select set is probably the way to go: has Evolution, Some Other Stuff, and the McLean records he's on.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

aren't all the mosaic boxes long OOP?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

Nope, some of them are just "Running Low."

Olivia Newsun John (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

the "select" boxes are usually more available, i think. this one is on amazon, anyway. but i think i could get all the albums it covers for cheaper separately. anyway, listening to Destination Out right now -- sounding awesome.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:21 (twelve years ago) link

21    Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15  votes
http://www.terra-san.com/ccmail/jazz/Jazz%2020/TheloniousMonk.BrilliantCorners.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5V9uC1fklKKnY2ufNfFvR9

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

hmm I don't know Unit Structures. what's it like? fantastic cover!

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

i know the mosaic boxes I'd like are long OOP

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

maybe a little bit challopsy, but i've never gotten too into brilliant corners, something about it seems like a bit of a chore, it's missing the humor/playfulness of my favorite monk recordings? I don't know, maybe it'll click at some point.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

hmm I don't know Unit Structures. what's it like? fantastic cover!

It's like this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_woT6Mgp64c

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

havent heard the mclean, think hes pretty awesome tho generally, impressed this did so well!

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

that miles record is so so good -- the opening of coltrane's solo on the title track is burned into my brain

(dooo doot doo doot doot doot dooooo...doo doooooo)

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, that "round midnight" is pretty much top 10 all time jazz.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

would be if he was sportin a jaunty hat

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

20    Albert Ayler - Spiritual Hat Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes
http://hhbrady.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/spiritual-unity-cover.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

Right on. I was hoping this would place in the top 20.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link

I was actually expecting Unit Structures to make it.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

reallllly enjoying destination out, dudes, thanks.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

hurrah, must have been one of the cd's i got when i first got into jazz.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

19    Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1 
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oG9GEI0LKEY/TMVAfsxBrwI/AAAAAAAABZc/kvblgnDH1u4/s1600/cover.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6zV55F6W8kh1qe8LHhqRbz

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oG9GEI0LKEY/TMVAfsxBrwI/AAAAAAAABZc/kvblgnDH1u4/s1600/cover.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6zV55F6W8kh1qe8LHhqRbz

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

Charlie Parker Story will still place but having doubts about birds of fire and hot rats if they dont show up in the next 5 places. This isnt going to be a jazz canon poll is it?

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

Alice needs a hat

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

spiritual robe

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link

her finest moment btw imho

also I listened to Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy last night and I don't really get what sets it apart from any of the other mid-60s Saturn releases. I mean it's great but it doesn't particularly stand out to me...? I forgot about the track with the phone repeatedly ringing in the background, that was funny.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link

eesh, what an album (JIS). just those opening moments, the bells, the bass, the harp...i like almost all of alice's records, but this one is the ONE.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

digging Unit Structures thx guys

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

Somehow I didn't vote for this...scratching my spiritual head here. Great album.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

Alice needs a hat

Nah, her aura is adequate. I do love this album, aside maybe from the oud, because the oud just falls a bit flat compared to what I'm used to it sounding like.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

started listening to machine gun, but it's not quite what i'm in the frame of mind right now. herbie hancock seems to be doing the trick though, as usual.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, Ayler as an intro to jazz, that's intense. One of the things I picked up at Amoeba was a used Japanese import of Lonnie Liston Smith - Astral Traveling. I've never heard him before, and for some reason expected some funk, but it's more cosmic. Very nice.

I'll try to guess the next entry - Headhunters (I guessed Alice too but saw it's just posted)

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

Here's 16 albums we haven't had yet:

Ascension
Blue Train
A Love Supreme
My Favourite Things
Giant Steps
Mingus Ah Um
Black Saint & the Sinner Lady
Out To Lunch
In A Silent Way
Bitches Brew
Kind Of Blue
Sextant
Headhunters
Karma
The Shape Of Jazz To Come
The Real McCoy

The last one might be iffy, but it deserves to be right up there.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

I'm glad we reached the stage where no-one shouts too low and are just happy the album has placed.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link

I'd say all of Nick's are locks, but yeah dunno about that Tyner album

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

i voted for it! so ... maybe? it's great, but anything with tyner/elvin jones is pretty great.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

Seandalai did you mean that there is no more Sun Ra? I was sure Nuclear War would go top twenty.

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

curious that everyone loves miles but no one fucks with dude who he "gets all his inspiration from" ie ahmad jamal

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

Tempted to shout TOO LOW! but I'll leave it be. My favourite Miles album.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

I've only picked through this thread (not sure I'll ever make it through all of it:), but I'm interested in what deej is saying about Sun Ra and Pharoah Sanders. Maybe you've done this already, but could you post your ballot deej?

matt2, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

I was sure Nuclear War would go top twenty.

why?

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

because Yo La Tengo covered it?

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

deej didn't vote matt

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

i missed the deadline & im at work & my rough ballot is on my home comp but i can post it when i get back

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

curious that everyone loves miles but no one fucks with dude who he "gets all his inspiration from" ie ahmad jamal

thought you were gonna say Betty there for a minute lol

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

I was sure Nuclear War would go top twenty.

Is this generally seen as one of Ra's more significant records? I listen to it less than any other Ra.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

hmm yeah, was jamal even on the ballot?
he's a big missing piece of this poll.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

id say that based on these results the biases seem to be basically 'large figures w/ extensive discographies' (depth as opposed to breadth) + the mystical hat club of spiritual outsider jazz discussed earlier

it is what it is

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

Which Jamal album would have been expected to place?

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

Surely Jamal's "The Awakening" will make it?

matt2, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe only if this were the hip-hop heads jazz poll.

matt2, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

yeah def not complaining about the results, which would be silly. it's a list of a certain group of people's favorite jazz records. but anyone reading and interesting in exploring jazz should def check out all the artists I listed above (and I'll continue checking out some who did make the list that I'm not familiar with)

xp yeah The Awakening or Ahmad's Blues or Live at Pershing

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

would've thought at the pershing.
don't think the awakening would be top 20, but i could be wrong.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

hip hop heads jazz poll=top 20 nothing but david axelrod and bob james

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

And "The Awakening"

matt2, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

i don think theres anything wrong w/ critiquing the results, it explains why they ended up the way they did

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

if Real McCoy doesn't make it then FUCK Y'ALLL

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

did you vote?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

no

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

17    Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1 
http://cestsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/305281b9.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/38ERGmBgDAsCTb4KNeopsX

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

this is the album I'm most pleased about going top 20

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, never heard it, and surprised at its high placement. Lineup looks stellar, though.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

i like that record. dont love it but its nice.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

its a fucking fantastic album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

love the album cover, record i dont remember standing out

man i know what i'm missing from this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Blowin%27_Session

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^soooo effin good

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

okay wasn't expecting that one

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link

told ya

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link

Whoa. Nice gams, though!

broom air, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

Worldly shoes jazz.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

16    John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes
http://blog-imgs-21.fc2.com/d/o/c/dochizame/20080403105232.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7lfxr5IrZ7cH69ATCJv4Go

spotify doesn't seem to have the proper album and instead has a few comps of the same name, but if anyone has the time to scroll through all the coltrane albums and finds it please post it here and I'll add it

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

found it with a different cover
http://open.spotify.com/album/6tC1isLpyIm5zXqlBs1pjF

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

so scratch 1st link with the comp

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

the correct one is on the Spotify Playlist that everyone should subscribe to.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

35 subscribers so far.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

15    John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EfH7QQM5cK8/TD3tip4lI5I/AAAAAAAAFyY/AYrCTtu9_4E/s1600/ColtraneJAlovesupreme.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5DXmUb5WnwvBeNJDgXx3sL

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Review

by Sam Samuelson

Easily one of the most important records ever made, John Coltrane's A Love Supreme was his pinnacle studio outing that at once compiled all of his innovations from his past, spoke of his current deep spirituality, and also gave a glimpse into the next two and a half years (sadly, those would be his last). Recorded at the end of 1964, Trane's classic quartet of Elvin Jones, McCoy Tyner, and Jimmy Garrison stepped into the studio and created one of the most thought-provoking, concise, and technically pleasing albums of their bountiful relationship (not to mention his best-selling to date). From the undulatory (and classic) bassline at the intro to the last breathy notes, Trane is at the peak of his logical yet emotionally varied soloing while the rest of the group is remarkably in tune with Coltrane's spiritual vibe. Composed of four parts, each has a thematic progression leading to an understanding of spirituality through meditation. From the beginning, "Acknowledgement" is the awakening of sorts that trails off to the famous chanting of the theme at the end, which yields to the second act, "Resolution," an amazingly beautiful piece about the fury of dedication to a new path of understanding. "Persuance" is a search for that understanding, and "Psalm" is the enlightenment. Although he is at times aggressive and atonal, this isn't Trane at his most adventurous (pretty much everything recorded from here on out progressively becomes much more free, and live recordings from this period are extremely spirited), but it certainly is his best attempt at the realization of concept -- as the spiritual journey is made amazingly clear. A Love Supreme clocks in at just over 30 minutes, but if it had been any longer it could have turned into a laborious listen. As it stands, just enough is conveyed. It is almost impossible to imagine a world without A Love Supreme having been made, and it is equally impossible to imagine any jazz collection without it.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

erm oops

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

I wonder if there's another Coltrane that's gonna place higher

btw I looked up some of Wilmer's writing on Coltrane last night. She considered Ascension his "meisterwerk"

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooa someone page deej.

Ascension may beat it! Exciting!

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

I like Ascension but if so that seems sort of wrong to me as the highest placing Coltrane album

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

oh wait Blue Train and Giant Steps haven't shown up yet have they...?

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

Neither has Om.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

would not put ascension in my top 10 coltrane. maybe not even my top 20!
i like it, but like Ornette's similar Free Jazz, i think it's kind of a mess. Prefer the intensity of the smaller band to the big blast of these double quartet.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

i like the ascension story where, after two 40+ minute takes, coltrane says: "can we do it one more time? " and elvin jones hurls his snare drum at trane.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

you like 1st or 2nd take best?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

Interstellar Space is my favorite Coltrane free record; I tend to agree about Ascension--exciting and thrilling at times, yes, but a mess.

x-post haha at Tyler's story...

Clarke B., Friday, 2 September 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

ah um is my shit. distinctive without sacrificing tunes; holds your attention without being "challenging". i think i'm a bit geirish when it comes to jazz.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

i like the ascension story where, after two 40+ minute takes, coltrane says: "can we do it one more time? " and elvin jones hurls his snare drum at trane.

― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:55 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

omfg

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

Hilarious.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

hee hee.
it is funny, there's some interview with coltrane where he talks about how much he loved those sessions, he wished they could just keep going. maybe that was the closest to the sound in his head that he got?

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

13    John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ShwGN6S9CCo/SxBKVIagJQI/AAAAAAAAAGw/Yq25_8gp4j4/s1600/cover.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/50FMzSN3HV4PI7ryK3lLQn

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

prob my fav trane, cuz i'm a sucka for trombone

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

I'll paypal 79 American cents to whoever sorts these results by label when it's all over.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

I think I heard A Love Supreme first but Blue Train was the one where I felt I really *got* it. just a beautiful record.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

blue train is a v diff record. i do love it though

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

difficult or different?

either way I'm not sure what you mean

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

well obviously it's really different from A Love Supreme if that's what yr getting at

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

No chanting for one thing

Number None, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link

a diff type of spiritual hat

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

we're getting beat guys http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/most-read-threads.jsp

lol

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

Jackie McLean - Destination Out

Really enjoying this, Never listened to Jackie Mclean before.
Same for the Lee Morgan.

dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link

not rlly spiritual hat, its pretty straight

agree about the trombone playing

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link

beaten by a worthless clusterfuck

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link

someone tipped the next album to be #1, but they were wrong

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

idk abt outsider jazz as a term, these ppl are all three steps removed from armstrong or basie after all

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

im not gonna lie, i've been reading that thread inbetween this one.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

was that me? silent way rip?

whats the retarded clusterfuck aboot?

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

about usage of one of those words you just used

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

though it was a good description of the clusterfuck

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

im just glad ilx didn't exist when joey was on blue peter

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

idk abt outsider jazz as a term, these ppl are all three steps removed from armstrong or basie after all

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:21 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cmon dude are you serious

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

yah

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

some of this stuff is like arguing that kool keith is one of the 90s most important rappers

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

playgrounds wouldn't have been a great place for ilxors :)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

"these people are all three steps removed from snoop!" -- doesnt make kool keith a less legit answer than biggie

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

sun ra played with fletcher henderson and coleman hawkins, sanders and alice played with coltrane

it's hardly songs in the key of z

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

jamming to all seeing eye for the millionth time and have to say that shorter should be seen as one of the true genius's of jazz w/ trane and mingus and etc.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

12    Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes
http://blowthescene.com/files/2010/09/headhunterCover.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5fmIolILp5NAtNYiRPjhzA

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

observing that there is a noticeable interest in weirdos / sci fi costuming / spiritual jazz, jazz harpists, jazz fusion, etc. at the expense of artists like say johnny griffin or clifford brown (beyond his one foray into the top 250) or idk any number of dudes this list skipped over -- granny dainger provided a pretty good list -- is a pretty reasonable observation

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

sun ra played with fletcher henderson and coleman hawkins, sanders and alice played with coltrane

it's hardly songs in the key of z

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so? paul desmond played w/ lots of dudes too & has no albums here

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

HEADUNTERS SUCKS SORRY Y'ALL

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

HEADHUNTERS ALSO SUCKS

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

Does that count as a hat?

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

winston you suck for saying that

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

It's something like my 10th favourite Herbie album. I even prefer some of his disco albums.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

yes but not a spiritual one.

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

Good question, emil.y. I'm not sure.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

lots of jazz artists played w/ lots of jazz artists. jaki byard played with mingus & he has no records here. milt jackson. anyone in MJQ. Oscar Peterson

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

dainger's list would be pretty short if u took the pre-45 peak artists out of it, as has been noted

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

im pretty damn sure the proposed pre-45 jazz tracks poll will take care of a lot of this (if someone runs it)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

sun ra played with fletcher henderson and coleman hawkins, sanders and alice played with coltrane

it's hardly songs in the key of z

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:27 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like if u cant see how sun ra might be perceived as an outsider artist ... dude was clearly on his own planet when it came to presentation & music. I mean, do u really think ppl are voting for 10 of his records bcuz of his fletcher henderson bona fides

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

dainger's list would be pretty short if u took the pre-45 peak artists out of it, as has been noted

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

want me to list more?

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not a fan of Headhunters. I mentioned it in the Outloud room one night and it was universally agreed that this made me a bad person.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

its a HEAD not a hat.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

this countdown should really be done with a soundtrack playing in the http://outloud.fm/ILXORS

(come join)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

milt jackson.

wait Milt Jackson hasn't placed anything on here!? FUCK THIS SHIT

I am very partial to jazz vibraphone players fyi

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

I don't have a problem with classing Ra as an outsider - it's pretty clear that's what he was - but he was nonetheless rooted in the jazz tradition and I love love love so many of his records I feel like his showing here is about right, if maybe a little overstated

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

guess I should have voted for Very Tall. Or Bags & Trane. BAH

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link

i think that if you did a similar poll in like 1980 Ra would be significantly decreased, that over time, stuff that varies more widely from the 'jazz mean' gets more attention

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe, but much of the Sun Ra that has been widely available since like the mid-to-early-90s was not widely available in 1980.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

some of this stuff is like arguing that kool keith is one of the 90s most important rappers

lol i've been holding my tongue on making this exact comparison

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

observing that there is a noticeable interest in weirdos / sci fi costuming / spiritual jazz, jazz harpists, jazz fusion, etc. at the expense of artists like say johnny griffin or clifford brown

You keep making the same mistake, focusing on the extramusical and creating plain false dichotomies. Also, I love Clifford Brown but am not aware of any amazing album that he made as a solo artist. Maybe you should make your own list of 'proper' jazz instead of constantly offending the intellect of everyone involved with this.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

yeah def reissue culture gave his stature a huge boost xxp

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

(Wait that was supposed to be early-to-mid-90s, haha. Time warp.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

11    Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1 
http://img.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/16/b1/akagi0727/folder/591241/img_591241_42488764_0?1261893088
http://open.spotify.com/album/731OW49heGHCMrMOREHYlY

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

You keep making the same mistake, focusing on the extramusical and creating plain false dichotomies. Also, I love Clifford Brown but am not aware of any amazing album that he made as a solo artist. Maybe you should make your own list of 'proper' jazz instead of constantly offending the intellect of everyone involved with this.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:44 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

actually im accusing others of focusing on the 'extramusical'

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

and yes clifford brown does have good solo records. a number of them

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

"Dinah Jams" is another record I would love to have seen

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

And if you have not heard Soul Station go buy it now

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

actually im accusing others of focusing on the 'extramusical'

yeah this is where I call bullshit

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

in addition to reissue culture, non-jazz artists getting into Ra increased his stature, bcuz he was an iconoclast, which probably appeals once the jazz narrative has been largely reduced to the care of archivists & librarians

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

D-40, really? That's very interesting. How did you reach this conclusion?

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

yeah this is where I call bullshit

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:46 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im not saying this records arent good, but there are certainly some uncritiqued biases going on in these results

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

D-40, really? That's very interesting. How did you reach this conclusion?

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:47 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ive spent an entire thread explaining myself?

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

weirdos / sci fi costuming / spiritual jazz, jazz harpists, jazz fusion

like, there is actual music associated with this stuff. the sci-fi thing w/Sun Ra goes way deeper than costuming, as I'm sure you're aware. and I think you should take people at their word when they say they like a jazz harp record for the MUSIC on the record and not because of some hidden aesthetic agenda to specifically privelege harpists over saxophonists or something like that.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

You haven't, though. How did you reach the conclusion that people necessarily like Pharoah and Sun Ra and Alice because of their extramusical connotations? You're the one focusing on that.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

btw so far in the top 100 Sun Ra has a massive 2 entries.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link

interesting that (along with ahmad jamal) there's no modern jazz quartet here, either (right?). from what i understand, they were one of the biggest acts of the time, but they're stature has gone down considerably. i suppose it's arguable that they were too straight ahead, not iconoclastic enough, no spiritual hats (though they did cover ornette!). great records however.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link

I kind of hate the way the most interesting music seems to be discarded precisely for its quality of being interesting. It just sounds exactly the same to me as the anti-intellectual bullshit spouted on the 'overrated literary works' thread.

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link

and stop ignoring hank mobley!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link

You haven't, though. How did you reach the conclusion that people necessarily like Pharoah and Sun Ra and Alice because of their extramusical connotations? You're the one focusing on that.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:48 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

actually, you're the one who brought that up oh defensive one

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link

btw so far in the top 100 Sun Ra has a massive 2 entries.

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, September 2, 2011

lol

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link

it's impossible to untangle musical vs extramusical qualities w/r/t one's picks here. deej is right to point out that the list veers more towards weirdo spiritual hat jazz than a traditional best of jazz list does. don't know why everyone keeps acting like it doesn't, argues with him, rather than just owning your preferences and sensibilities.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

I kind of hate the way the most interesting music seems to be discarded precisely for its quality of being interesting. It just sounds exactly the same to me as the anti-intellectual bullshit spouted on the 'overrated literary works' thread.

― emil.y, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:49 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is totally misunderstanding. the thing is that its NOT more interesting, or its more interesting only in the most superficial senses. i mean, are you arguing then that MJQ are ~not~ interesting bcuz they were 'straight ahead jazz' or that there might not be value in the variations present w/in jazz that doesnt go in for extravagant costuming, unusual instruments or, say, funky hard bop sound rather than a hyperspiritual vision quest

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

btw so far in the top 100 Sun Ra has a massive 2 entries.

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, September 2, 2011

lol

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 1:50 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and in the 250 he has far more than his stature in the jazz world

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

and stop ignoring hank mobley!

I admit I don't remember anything about Soul Station atm :(

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

then go listen!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

and in the 250 he has far more than his stature in the jazz world

would think that at some point you would stop appealing to the semi-mythical external "world" that always happens to validate your opinions

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

you do this a lot

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

sigh

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

har, tbh, find me two jazz critics in the jazz world who agree on anything ...

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

And here is a recap of 250-11 for those just catching up

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes

49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes
25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes
24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes
23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes
22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes
21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes
20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes

19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1
18 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's
17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1
16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes
15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes
14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes
13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes
12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes
11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

But you're not just denigrating these records for their spiritual hat-wearing. You're also saying that they shouldn't be here, or they should only be allowed token entries.

And yes, I'm familiar with enough of the 'spiritual hat' records to say that they are more interesting than the Modern Jazz Quartet, although I like the latter.

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

Granny Dainger, he wasn't merely "pointing it out," he was being condescending "LOL oh you ridiculous hipster plebes" about it.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

While failing to explain why his alternatives were somehow more valid.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

at this point I kind of hope deej has a jaymc-style spreadsheet of in-depth sociological statistical data regarding music consumption and critical consensus for every genre, cuz the degree of certainty with which he makes vast generalizations about various canons/listening audiences/record collector scum would suggest that he does

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

and in the 250 he has far more than his stature in the jazz world

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011

contra shakey i think this is true, but railing against stuff that got six votes is eh

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

anyway my only point was that calling sanders alice coltrane and sun ra outsider jazz is a misrepresentation imo

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link

pharoah and alice not so much, but Sun Ra...? come on now

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

his whole schtick was being an outsider! that's how he saw himself

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

well the term was being used to critique the whole poll so...

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

BUT PHAROAH AND ALICE WORE HATS

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

its perhaps an exaggeration but the gist of it is otm -- theres a specific bias towards a specific kind of jazz ... yall can talk about how much better jazz harpists are than mjq it doesnt make it fact

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

interesting that (along with ahmad jamal) there's no modern jazz quartet here, either (right?). from what i understand, they were one of the biggest acts of the time, but they're stature has gone down considerably. i suppose it's arguable that they were too straight ahead, not iconoclastic enough, no spiritual hats (though they did cover ornette!). great records however.

― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 18:49 (5 minutes ago) Permalink

And the thing is John Lewis did lots of cool 'out' experimentation mixing jazz and 20th century classical music. MJQ are certainly on the easier listening end but there are hints of that in their music too. I kind of wish I nominated some "third stream" stuff like John Lewis or George Russell -- it's really fucking cool stuff.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

yeah he was being condescending at first, but he's backtracked a lil and at this point seems to be willing to accept just an acknowledgment that this list skews towards spiritual hat

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

This automagically makes their music: less worthy than "straight jazz."

Also, harps clearly aren't musical instruments.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

not even really sure what "outsider jazz" would refer to -- like you said, sun ra played w/ fletcher henderson. alice coltrane learned from bud powell. pharoah sanders -- well, he came from an r&b background right? maybe that's outsider.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

can we have a spiritual hat subtotal, what are the real proportions here

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

While failing to explain why his alternatives were somehow more valid.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 1:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its a critique observing how when a certain type dominates, other things are excluded. i didnt even try to claim which ones are 'more correct,' just observing the biases inherent in the results. observing an imbalance or preference in the voting pool doesnt mean that i think my favs are somehow more 'valid'

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

im sorry im makin you think about why you like stuff, though.

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

not even really sure what "outsider jazz" would refer to -- like you said, sun ra played w/ fletcher henderson. alice coltrane learned from bud powell. pharoah sanders -- well, he came from an r&b background right? maybe that's outsider.

― tylerw, Friday, September 2, 2011 2:00 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how about, stuff that was going against the grain of jazz' narrative?

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

stuff that was unusual, or resisted the jazz mainstream?

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

im simply pointing out that contra emil.y that just because it did this doesnt make it superior

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

You love the attention, don't you? Sometimes I wonder about the penis size/trolling correlation.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

& yeah, hurting, the third stream stuff seems kind of forgotten to a certain extent -- too arty, too self-conscious seeming? i don't know. i do like a lot of the john lewis records i've heard w/ or w/o MJQ.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

going against the grain of jazz' narrative
i dunno, by the time the late 60s rolled around, any "jazz narrative" had kinda gone out the window.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

You love the attention, don't you? Sometimes I wonder about the penis size/trolling correlation.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:02 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol ur the one making all the personal remarks. who's trolling here exactly

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

My take on Alice Coltrane: it's nice stuff but how many records of it do you need? Same with Sun Ra -- I just don't find as much to sink my teeth into as John Coltrane or Miles Davis.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

I think Alice is better than John.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link

deej is pretty otm now. this list is in a way saying straight jazz or CTI-style smooth jazz isn't as remarkable as space hat weirdo jazz, and people are pretending that...i won't even call it a bias...preference doesn't exist.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

& yeah, hurting, the third stream stuff seems kind of forgotten to a certain extent -- too arty, too self-conscious seeming? i don't know. i do like a lot of the john lewis records i've heard w/ or w/o MJQ.

― tylerw, Friday, September 2, 2011 3:02 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Again, I think partly a timing thing. John Lewis was experimenting with modern classical at a time when the dominant "experimental" thrust in jazz was to get away from European idioms and toward more "pure" African/African American idioms. Obivously there's a lot of politics wrapped up in this too. Even hard bop was partly about getting away from standards, moving toward a canon of compositions by black jazz musicians.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

i feel like more art blakey would be in my personal mindgarden list too

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

going against the grain of jazz' narrative
i dunno, by the time the late 60s rolled around, any "jazz narrative" had kinda gone out the window.

^^^^

there are pretty clear dominant trends in jazz from Louis Armstrong up through the early 60s - but after that it burst really wide. free jazz, soul jazz, fusion, etc. people sometimes privelege boundary-expanding periods like this, they're diversity and sense of experimentation is often a joy to behold. but by the late 60s I dunno if you could really say Alice or Pharoah or Herbie were going against the grain per se, they were very much a part of movements going on around them. Ra a little less so because he was such a contrarian and was "ahead of his time" in various ways, and never hewed strictly to prevailing norms (altho his nods to funk and disco in the 70s are hilarious and awesome)

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

theres some good hard bop here but not as much as you'd expect. how much jimmy smith made it too?

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

There's a lot to be said about the leanings of this list but, personally, there's not a single album I dislike on here so far (having heard ~90% of it.) I've never seen a top 100 or even top 50 list where that's the case.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

Same with Sun Ra -- I just don't find as much to sink my teeth into as John Coltrane or Miles Davis.

not really feeling you on this, all 3 have insanely diverse catalogs.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

xp to hurting yeah politics of the time played a big role i imagine -- taking what some were beginning to see as "black folk art" and trying to force it into bed with "modern classical" is going to ruffle some feathers. but aside from that, it's interesting music.
love this, maybe even more than ornette's version!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OucWYBeBoo

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

Someone could throw in solitary confinement with all these records and I would die happy and spiritually fulfilled.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, s.morris, exactly. You could pick any of these albums so far at random and it's likely they'll range from good to transcendent.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

HATS notwithstanding.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

I would wear all those hats tbh.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

Me too. Now let's just sit back and wait for more insightful ~~~~ observations ~~~~

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

do you guys like this hat y/n
http://rlv.zcache.com/jazz_piano_hat-p148055578880129932qz14_400.jpg

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

your 'i would snuggle up with all these albums in an a-bomb shelter forever!!' comments def qualify as 'insightful'

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

the dick-size jokes too

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

~deep thoughts~

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

pretty sure I said that, deej, not Turangalila. You're raging.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

How many jazz harp albums are in this list so far? It doesn't seem to me that it's dominating

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

ws lumping folks together
i have no problem, on an individual basis, w/ any of the albums in this list

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

Same with Sun Ra -- I just don't find as much to sink my teeth into as John Coltrane or Miles Davis.

not really feeling you on this, all 3 have insanely diverse catalogs.

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:08 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah I've heard the variety. Some Sun Ra is great, but overall I find the arkestra very clunky and clumsy and not very hard-swinging (in the broadest sense). I like the solo keyboard stuff on Solar Myth Approach a lot.

Does Alice Coltrane have any variety though? Everything I hear sounds pretty samey to me.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

yall can talk about how much better jazz harpists are than mjq it doesnt make it fact

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 7:59 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

And you can say the opposite and it doesn't make it fact either. How exciting for us all.

its a critique observing how when a certain type dominates, other things are excluded. i didnt even try to claim which ones are 'more correct,' just observing the biases inherent in the results. observing an imbalance or preference in the voting pool doesnt mean that i think my favs are somehow more 'valid'

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 8:01 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think the problem is that you veer between the two. Sometimes it is just an analysis - though I will say that from what I know of this list the 'dominating type' is at least partially constructed by the fact that we're talking about it the most, and then when something pops up that fits everybody points at it and goes 'look look we were right' - but at other times you've definitely gone on the attack about it.

For the record I am not pissed off about your contributions to this thread at all, but that doesn't mean I'm going to think you're right.

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

I make no claims towards insightfulness, that's why I've been a lurker for 8 years. I was just sayin' is all y'know.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

Sometimes, plebes like us just like expressing enthusiasm for music and don't feel the need to prove some sociological point. That's what normal, irl, non-Aspies do on a day to day basis.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

I guess Sun Ra and Alice Coltrane for me are a little like the jazz equivalent of backpacker rap -- like a lot of it is really good, but if you're like "THIS is the real shit, not that boring mainstream jazz" then I find you very suspect.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

Does Alice Coltrane have any variety though? Everything I hear sounds pretty samey to me.

I only have three of her albums - Ptah, UC, and JIC - and they vary slightly (strings! oud!) in approach but in general no her catalog doesn't strike me as broad. love it tho.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

Does Alice Coltrane have any variety though?
pretty big differences between the harp stuff, the orchestral stuff, the piano stuff, the organ stuff?

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

beyond a pretty basic 'insight' that i feel like ive reiterated enough upon provocation here, i dont think ive been implying that ive got some incrediblly insightful approach to jazz or something -- if anything, this list is making me want to go back & relisten to a bunch of stuff & see how my opinions have changed over the years -- but i only brought up a lack of insight in response to the accusation from someone who was basically resorting to personal attacks so w/e

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

THIS is the real shit, not that boring mainstream jazz"

don't think anybody is saying this really. except for maybe when turangalila said she liked Alice more than John.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah it was pretty much directed at him Shakey.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

And I wasn't saying that, either. I adore John. I just prefer Alice's aesthetic.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

That's what normal, irl, non-Aspies do on a day to day basis.

Yeah, but they also don't run top 250 album count-downs.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

or her (xpost)

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

guys im enjoying the debate/arguing it's fun so please continue but please quit the personal attacks, k?

now the TOP TEN

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #1
http://www.eximagen.es/image.php?id=5092_4B292F53
http://open.spotify.com/album/2mqMMupKZi5wBf7bXiqDR5

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

Sometimes, plebes like us just like expressing enthusiasm for music and don't feel the need to prove some sociological point. That's what normal, irl, non-Aspies do on a day to day basis.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how does your pt about how i probably dont like jazz harpists because they have vaginas fit into the aspie -> plebe spectrum

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

That's what normal, irl, non-Aspies do on a day to day basis.

Yeah, but they also don't run top 250 album count-downs.

― _Rudipherous_,

and my 2nd previous post especially goes for you

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't listened to Alice Coltrane in that much depth (though I think I've heard most of her albums at least a couple times, some much more than that) but I divide her work between accessible/semi-mellow-spiritual and apocalyptic freakout.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

I guess Sun Ra and Alice Coltrane for me are a little like the jazz equivalent of backpacker rap -- like a lot of it is really good, but if you're like "THIS is the real shit, not that boring mainstream jazz" then I find you very suspect.

WHY?

This is what I have never understood. WHY WHY WHY? What the fuck grounds do you have for saying this shit? So if someone likes 'record collector' or 'nerdy' stuff more than mainstream stuff they are immediately looked at with scorn? WTF? It's one thing to say that it is a good thing to have a handle on the history of genre, another to say that you are "suspect" (FFS) for preferring a certain style.

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, I hold my hands up. I'm a record collector. And I'm a nerd. So fucking sue me.

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

D-40, Oh, because I do genuinely feel if Alice had a penis people wouldn't give her shit. Brilliant John, lesser Alice. But I don't want to derail this thread any more. Go on.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, I hold my hands up. I'm a record collector. And I'm a nerd. So fucking sue me.

"heretic I cast thee out" etc

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

and my 2nd previous post especially goes for you

That was not a personal attack! I think the point is just the often-stated one that ILM is inherently a bit of an "aspie" place to begin with and anyone posting on this thread is probably implicated in that.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

what do u think of mary lou williams

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, because I do genuinely feel if Alice had a penis people wouldn't give her shit.

John Coltrane coming out as gay def would have been interesting in the jazz world

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

imo shes >>> alice coltrane but xp

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

never heard that herbie. is it more em isles or more hh fusion? it is placed firmly in the middle of 'herbie i love' and 'rmde'

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, I hold my hands up. I'm a record collector. And I'm a nerd. So fucking sue me.

― emil.y, Friday, September 2, 2011 2:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, I hold my hands up. I'm a record collector. And I'm a nerd. So fucking sue me

yes OWN THAT SHIT

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi  

XP
thanks sam!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

IDK, I've just never met anyone who actually had a very good handle on jazz and preferred sun ra to other jazz. Also especially with Sun Ra so much of the enjoyment is about the total package of his narrative, persona, costumes, craziness etc. and all that stuff just seems like it doesn't have much to do with the music being jazz, which is why I couldn't help but be a little rankled if Sun Ra topped a jazz poll. All that stuff is great, but to me it's more like performance art or something.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

how does your pt about how i probably dont like jazz harpists because they have vaginas fit into the aspie -> plebe spectrum

Probably goes back to discourse elevating penis size speculation.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

I think the real issue is why isn't there any Hampton Hawes on this list.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

With the formation of his great electric sextet, Herbie Hancock's music took off into outer and inner space, starting with the landmark Mwandishi album recorded in a single session on New Year's Eve. Ever the gadgeteer, Herbie plays with electronic effects devices -- reverb units, stereo tremelo, and Echoplex -- which all lead his music into spacier, open-ended directions very much influenced by Miles Davis' electric experiments, rendering it from post-bop conventions. There are just three tracks: the insistent 15/4-meter Afro-electric-funk workout "Ostinato (Suite for Angela)," the inquisitive "You'll Know When You Get There" with its ethereal Hancock voicings, and trombonist Julian Priester's "Silent Way"-influenced "Wandering Spirit Song," which eventually dips into tumultuous free form. Eddie Henderson emerges as a major trumpet soloist here, probing, jabbing, soliloquizing; Bennie Maupin comes over from Lee Morgan's group to add his ominous bass clarinet and thoughtful alto flute; and Buster Williams' bass and Billy Hart's flexible drums propel the rhythm section. Santana's José Chepitó Areas and Leon "Ndugu" Chancler also add funky percussive reinforcement to "Ostinato," along with guitarist Ron Montrose. The group's collective empathy is remarkable, and Hancock had only begun to probe the outer limits with this extraordinary music.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

Also especially with Sun Ra so much of the enjoyment is about the total package of his narrative, persona, costumes, craziness etc. and all that stuff just seems like it doesn't have much to do with the music being jazz, which is why I couldn't help but be a little rankled if Sun Ra topped a jazz poll. All that stuff is great, but to me it's more like performance art or something.

this is pretty disingenuous - all music is performance art and comes with a complete package. Ra's is just shinier and stranger than most.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

mary lou williams is so dope. going to use this as an excuse to post a link to her wikipedia page lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Lou_Williams

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

dave douglas also did an awes album tribute to her back in the late 90s i think called 'soul on soul'

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

this is pretty disingenuous - all music is performance art and comes with a complete package. Ra's is just shinier and stranger than most.

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:25 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

THIS is pretty disingenuous.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

Also, I never said D-40 didn't like harp because of that. I meant that that sort of thing would probably be more accepted if it had been done by guys. If Charlie Parker had fucked with the harp like Alice did, we wouldn't hear the end of how brilliant and unparalleled that was.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

Does Shelly Manne even drum on any of these albums? This list is racist.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

charlie parker is easily one of the two or three most influential jazz artists in history. saying alice coltrane is on that level is p nuts imo

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

i have to be honest, i bought 'shelly manne and his men at the manhole' purely bcuz of the title

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

THIS is pretty disingenuous.

how so? pretending like a guy wearing a stylish suit and presenting an air of sophisticated upper-class black aesthete is somehow less of a performance than a guy wearing a hat from Egypt is total bullshit. they're both performances.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

shelly manne plays on way out west

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

fwiw i dont think hurting or myself are claiming not to be nerds

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

Playing an unusual instrument in jazz isn't usually considered "brilliant" or "unparallelled." There are all kinds of forgotten records of jazz banjo, jazz accordion, jazz bagpipes, etc.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

I mean even by men.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

good catch, tylerw. x-post

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

this thread is getting "retarded"

Jay-Z ft. Kanye West 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remi (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

IDK, I've just never met anyone who actually had a very good handle on jazz and preferred sun ra to other jazz. Also especially with Sun Ra so much of the enjoyment is about the total package of his narrative, persona, costumes, craziness etc. and all that stuff just seems like it doesn't have much to do with the music being jazz, which is why I couldn't help but be a little rankled if Sun Ra topped a jazz poll.

I don't have a good handle on jazz and I love Sun Ra more than anyone else in jazz (so there you go), but I think you gloss over another possibility which is that there is something else that he is doing musically (at least a lot of the time) that is what someone like me might like about him. If anything, I find myself wishing I could filter out more and more of the packaging. It may not be about the music being jazz, but it is about the music (for me). The fire-eaters are nice though.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

I think it's fair to say that Alice both benefited from and suffered from being in John's shadow. otoh being his widow gave her unprecedented and highly unusual exposure in the jazz world, but it also allowed people to just dismiss her as his crazy wife etc

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

so none of y'all fuck with "Thrust" huh

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

Hurting 2, oh, totally. I just think what Alice did is genuinely as great as what a lot of her male contemporaries were doing.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

She's also sampled like crazy. I'd say if anything time has been pretty fair to AC.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, some of u probably dont like how ive approached this argument in this thread which, ok, sorry, but i also just get the distinct sense that some ppl think we shouldnt even be having this discussion which, well, i just disagree.

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

I fucks with Thrust, really fun record

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

i do

xps

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

xpost I love Thrust. Fucking Mike Clark. It's a total instrumentalist geek album though.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

threads winning now haha
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/most-read-threads.jsp

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link

hats be working

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

IDK, I've just never met anyone who actually had a very good handle on jazz and preferred sun ra to other jazz. Also especially with Sun Ra so much of the enjoyment is about the total package of his narrative, persona, costumes, craziness etc. and all that stuff just seems like it doesn't have much to do with the music being jazz, which is why I couldn't help but be a little rankled if Sun Ra topped a jazz poll.

Hm. I could sort of see this. A lot of the stuff I like walks on the boundaries of genre (not necessarily in jazz, and this is a bit of a generalisation, but it'll work in this context). However, I think you're doing down Ra - the music really is the main thing, and it very clearly belongs to the jazz world.

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

like the story in Thrust's liner notes of how, upon seeing Mike Clark enter the club or whatever venue, other drummers would flip the "Palm Grease" beat as a tip of the cap. /drum dork

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

i think part of my resistance w/ Ra too is that like when i was learning abt jazz i was the only person i knew who really fucked w/ his stuff really heavy, & i kind of liked that about it? that he was a weird, outside artist for ppl who identified w/ weird, outside artists. but seeing him shifted to the center of the canon is just weird

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

Does Shelly Manne even drum on any of these albums?

Thought he was on that Sonny Rollins album Way Out West.

I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link

9    Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__sQ6AlsR3DY/S7aCJ0lSWEI/AAAAAAAAAbk/2a7Dl-aeo-8/s1600/kind+of+blue.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/42ge6JtPfeF6FEYXCJ50Gu

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link

wow low

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

kerr spoilering the thread by adding albums to the Spotify list first, btw

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

Never heard of that one.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

ruined by coffee shops imo

anorange (abanana), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

how about, stuff that was going against the grain of jazz' narrative?

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 3:01 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

That's simply incorrect. In the 60s, the new music ("free jazz," "the new thing," "the avant-garde," etc.) was seen -- by both its adherents and detractors -- as the next step in the development of the music. It was not on the sidelines, not a tangent, not an offshoot; it was, in terms of musicians coming to terms with certain things and developing those things, what bebop had been in the 40s/50s. It also, like no previous movement in the music, harkened back to the earliest days of collective improvisation in the music.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

nothing could ruin that record

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

wm, i add it like the second before posting! but i did wonder when someone would notice!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

eh, KOB is still great, even if it's *the* token jazz album.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

That's simply incorrect. In the 60s, the new music ("free jazz," "the new thing," "the avant-garde," etc.) was seen -- by both its adherents and detractors -- as the next step in the development of the music. It was not on the sidelines, not a tangent, not an offshoot; it was, in terms of musicians coming to terms with certain things and developing those things, what bebop had been in the 40s/50s. It also, like no previous movement in the music, harkened back to the earliest days of collective improvisation in the music.

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:37 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

we're not talking about the same records

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

Clint Eastwood's favorite record iirc

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

mainly because when i posted to ilx first i kept forgetting to add to spotify and had to go back and jig thinga round.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

nothing could ruin that record

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:37 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

realest talk

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

xp Applies to Sun Ra, though.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

was my 1st jazz album (picked up after listening to a friend play coltrane on a road trip...i was so clueless about jazz, i'd heard the name john coltrane but assumed he was from the 30s or something. even after hearing the music. don't know what trane it was)

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

You added Mwandishi 3 minutes early -- I thought about spoilering it here but am too nice a guy.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

kind of blue v low wow

can understand a "not kind of blue again" compulsion tbh

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

smh @ castanets

― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011

this was an underrated post btw

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

WmC: pollice

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

You never did get a chance to do that shop, did you, WmC?

For those interested in contemporary jazz harp, the player whose name comes up a lot these days is a (non-curvy) Colombian named Edmar Castañeda.

I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

tbh i dont think anything that makes the top 10 can be seen as low, if it still beats ALS. Guessing it'll be Karma v. Black Saint v. Silent Way for #1

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

not a single #1 vote for KoB!

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

can understand a "not kind of blue again" compulsion tbh

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 2:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

of course you can u get to disagree w me again lol

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

(sorry about shelly manne xpost)

I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

'black saint' is still my pick for overrated mingus record. its good but def not my favorite

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

was there ever a kind of blue vs a love supreme poll on ilm?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

lol deej i didn't say justify tho!

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

That one pic of Hoos didn't lend itself to shopping into the cover, and just changing the text to KIND OF HOOS didn't seem worth it. #riderdemandsnogreenm&ms

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

I don't have a good handle on jazz and I love Sun Ra more than anyone else in jazz

Well of course, no annoying cymbal-tapping.

I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

ah um > black saint

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

otm

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

i listen more to mingusx5 than either these days tho

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

has mingusx5 charted? dont remember seeing it.

really worried bout Real McCoy making it.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link

yes it did

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

yep it charted. it's gr8 too of course

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

8    Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1
http://dreamchimney.com/slvs/Sextant_20081207123524.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0J6PpQHDOcr54tXvh1MMCr

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

I love The Real McCoy, but is it really that much better that his other stuff as a leader?

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

^^^not horrible.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

ok but then where is the rest of his stuff on this list?

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link

I enjoy black saint when i'm listening to it but never find myself sitting around with it stuck in my head or having an urge to listen to it (or part of it) like i do w/other mingus.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link

Expansions, weren't it? xp

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link

oh wait i forgot hornets, which is zzzzzzzzz.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

know what, for the record i'm not even an official "record collector." i'm just a spiritual hat wearing nerd/plebe who likes stuff. next time someone asks what i like, i will just point angrily at the hat.

top 10 kinda surprising in order tbh!

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

billy hart on sextant is just insane

sonderangerbot, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

weirdo shit!
xp re: sextant

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

is that good or bad? People claiming stuff is 'too low' vs 'yawn boring canon picks fuck you ilm'?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

my comments re: black saint also apply to Sextant. interesting listen, but rarely have an urge to hear it. it's like a movie with a plot twist, once I've heard it I don't really need to hear it again really even though I liked it a lot.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

In every ilx thread ever:
A: You're a poser and your tastes clearly demonstrate that.
B: No, I'm not. Prove it. I like what I like because I like it and I like it a lot, I really, really like it.
A: I can't prove it, some people I once knew could have proved it but they washed away in the flood

Rinse and repeat.

I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

"I enjoy black saint when i'm listening to it but never find myself sitting around with it stuck in my head or having an urge to listen to it (or part of it) like i do w/other mingus."

black saint gets stuck in my head like no other jazz.

charlie h, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

listening to black saint now, it's awesome, need to spend more time with it again

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

i prefer the earlier mwandishi recs to sextant. very fun listen, though. herbie has to be one of the most consistently great artists of the last 50 years. even with some of the questionable things he's done in the last two decades or so.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

would also like to point out that the entire mosaic ahmad jamal argo trio sessions (nine discs) box is on spotify! LISTENNNN.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

is there a free option for Spotify in US yet?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link

7    John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1 
http://blog-imgs-21.fc2.com/d/o/c/dochizame/sAscension.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6PTuYbT38J0UvZINkJu8W8

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link

is there a free option for Spotify in US yet?

yeah, just in the last month or so. i'm in the US.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

oh this beat one of his lesser records, all's well

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

sweet.
flamenco guitar in black saint! why don't i remember this

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

next time someone asks what i like, i will just point angrily at the hat.

<3

I've been thinking more about Hurting saying he doesn't know anyone who is seriously into jazz who rates Ra over other stuff. And the conclusion I have come to is that if true, it actually isn't that surprising. It's nothing to do with Ra not being as good as other jazz folk. It's more to do with 'someone who is seriously into jazz' probably approaching it from a more canonical viewpoint, liking the traditions and tropes at the heart of it, and rejecting other genres for not living up to those things that make jazz *special*. And people who come in to jazz through Ra being more interested in the stuff that plays with those traditions and tropes, and so perhaps not becoming so devoted to a single genre as to live up to the title 'person who is seriously into jazz'. Neither of these things means that Ra is less good, less worthy, or even less jazz than anyone else. Nor does it mean that the second person is "not hep to the real jazz" or whatever Hurting or deej are trying to imply.

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

flamenco guitar in black saint! why don't i remember this

Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

Ascension really is one of the great pieces of culture, like the Normans had tapestrys and we had Ascension

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link

emil.y otm

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link

seconded

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link

On favorite Mingus albums, it is so hard to choose as every one seems to have several or more incredible best of all time tracks Ah Um for "Goodbye Porkpye hat" The Clown for "Hatian Fight song" and Reincarnation of a Love Bird" Oh Yeah for Atomic Bomb etc etc. also I love and reccomend two albums that weren't nommed "East Coasting" and "Mingus at the Bohemia" (w Max Roach).

dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.

!!

this is the second piece of unexpected rock trivia to appear on this thread (the other one being Lloyd's connection to the Beach Boys/Mike Love)

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, September 2, 2011

wow @ this!

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

he played w/fletcher henderson and jelly roll morton iirc

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

yeah MIngus at the Bohemia has some great stuff. there's another Mingus/Roach record too that's great, with them doing gershwin's "foggy day" that I love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpZcEydEt7Q
but i agree, i find it hard to choose a single mingus record -- the 50s ones at least blend into one big delicious mingus omelette.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

also connie kaye (MJQ) plays on astral weeks.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

Speaking of Foggy Day - I adore those early Sun Ra singles that are all gorgeous vocal harmonies (The Nu-Sounds, etc).

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

he played w/fletcher henderson and jelly roll morton iirc

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, September 2, 2011

whut

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

'tonight at noon' by mingus is one of my favs

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

xp Wow, don't know that one, and i absolutely love Mingus at the Bohemia. Tonight at noon is great, I think for some reason it has been split in half and tacked onto the end of The Clown and Oh Yeah on the reissues of those i have (also on Spottify)

dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

I've been thinking more about Hurting saying he doesn't know anyone who is seriously into jazz who rates Ra over other stuff. And the conclusion I have come to is that if true, it actually isn't that surprising. It's nothing to do with Ra not being as good as other jazz folk. It's more to do with 'someone who is seriously into jazz' probably approaching it from a more canonical viewpoint, liking the traditions and tropes at the heart of it, and rejecting other genres for not living up to those things that make jazz *special*. And people who come in to jazz through Ra being more interested in the stuff that plays with those traditions and tropes, and so perhaps not becoming so devoted to a single genre as to live up to the title 'person who is seriously into jazz'. Neither of these things means that Ra is less good, less worthy, or even less jazz than anyone else. Nor does it mean that the second person is "not hep to the real jazz" or whatever Hurting or deej are trying to imply.

― emil.y, Friday, September 2, 2011 3:03 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, it kind of does mean you're not hep to real jazz actually? even how you just articulated it

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

or it means youre hep to a specific stream of jazz which is rlly what we've been saying but w/e

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

yeah charles mingus quartet + max roach is killer, very cool sound overall. nothing else sounds like mingus, does it? maybe some of ellington's more cinematic pieces.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

~~~~ Real Jazz ~~~~

Keep the essentialism coming, it's entertaining.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

unlike you

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

What is the essence of Real Jazz, D-40?

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

(xp)
Lots of jazz cats on Astral Weeks. (Jordan's teacher) Richard Davis on bass!

I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

What is the essence of Real Jazz, D-40?

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:16 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

mystical hats obv

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

Davis has an insanely broad range of folks he's worked with: Van Morrison, Andrew Hill, Albert Ayler, Springsteen, and supposedly the trio of him, Lowell Davidson and Milford Graves was a monster live.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

this is a cool list but gotta point out that these people aren't represented at all...2 of the greatest tenor saxes, arguably the greatest jazz vocalist, 2 of the greatest pianists, 2 of the greastest drummers, arguably the greatest guitarist, one of the greatest bandleaders, arguably the most iconic jazz artist ever.
and as i've said i'd rep for a post 45 album for each of them above, well honestly anything from, say, sun ra.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

Too much fake jazz imo.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

u sound butthurt

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

arguably the greatest jazz vocalist... arguably the greatest guitarist

pretty sure I know who yr referring to re/the latter (Django) and I agree. I have my guesses about the former but in general the lack of vocal jazz on here is lame. the only thing that even comes close is A New Perspective.

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

as far as the stuff that was included, i still cant believe how low 'live at birdland' was. no record w/ 'afro blue' & 'alabama' on it should be that low

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

Billie Holiday, Shakey

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

It's just hilarious, genuinely. This is akin to someone claiming people who like, idk, Messiaen more than Couperin don't like Real Classical Music and that there's something inherently flawed in their judgment and approach. What are the characteristics of Real Jazz, D-40? Definitely harps can't be a part of any Real Jazz performance, you've made that point clear. But what IS real jazz? Enlighten me.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

Songs For Distingue Lovers...check that shit out y'all

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

6    Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes 
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pbqRGfiCuGk/TPpCwCbijkI/AAAAAAAAAoM/vrGkcYHH6Mw/s1600/sc0007c165.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/04sSPjO9MQFQ6fG4lpBI3G

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

speaking of essential vocalists, zero lambert, hendricks & ross

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

whoa. some how something at #6 can seem TOO LOW.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

It's just hilarious, genuinely. This is akin to someone claiming people who like, idk, Messiaen more than Couperin don't like Real Classical Music and that there's something inherently flawed in their judgment and approach. What are the characteristics of Real Jazz, D-40? Definitely harps can't be a part of any Real Jazz performance, you've made that point clear. But what IS real jazz? Enlighten me.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

all of the shit we're naming that you didn't vote for is some of the 'real jazz' that you might want to check out instead of trying to tell us we're being purist fascists or whatever

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

How can you be sure I wouldn't have voted for it, didn't vote for some of it?

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

like i thought that was top 3 at worst.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

ilm doesnt like spiritual jazz

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

sanders in that cover photo is like: "ommmmm in 30 years i'm going to make mad ebay $$$ from spiritual hat dbagssssss ommmmmmm"

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

is someone like Jimmie Rushing considered a jazz vocalist? yes cause he was with Basie, right?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

HAHAHA

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

Karma really is about as perfect a piece of music can be. I think if someone asked me about jazz it would be the record I'd tell them to listen to, to hear the genuine possibilities people can create way and above what we recognise as music

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13L6sjk080c pt 2 and 3 also on youtube, as its not on spotify.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

for all u spiritual hat folks, this record is so awesome & up your alley -- its 'weird' & interesting & imo awesome, didnt make the list tho :(

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/l/e/lestp/bluecamel.jpg

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

Real Jazz, guys = all of the shit we're naming that you didn't vote for

(he's somehow accessed my ballot & nominations)

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

D-40 and granny dainger which of those albums that you say arent in the poll ones that you voted for?

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

i didnt turn in a ballot

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

deej none of those names ring familiar to me and it doesnt have a wiki page - wanna go into more detail?

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

Vocal jazz is always overlooked in lists like that. Nina Simone showing up doesn't surprise me but I was a little shocked to see Sarah Vaughn make the list (much as I love that album.) That Sarah Vaughn album is killer but I slightly prefer Clifford Brown's album with Helen Merrill. It's probably down to the fact that vocal jazz is more about ~great songs~ than the album qua album. Is this an insightful comment? I don't even know what up looks like anymore.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

rabih abou-khalil is a lebanese oud player. allmusic has a good review
http://www.allmusic.com/album/blue-camel-r160732/review

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

everyone please quit the trolling and talk about the albums

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

didn't vote, that whole process of nominating then voting isn't my thing. but i'm glad others do! and i don't really have beef w/the list, just think these people deserve some love, respect, and/or attention.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

Vocal jazz is always overlooked in lists like that. Nina Simone showing up doesn't surprise me but I was a little shocked to see Sarah Vaughn make the list (much as I love that album.) That Sarah Vaughn album is killer but I slightly prefer Clifford Brown's album with Helen Merrill. It's probably down to the fact that vocal jazz is more about ~great songs~ than the album qua album. Is this an insightful comment? I don't even know what up looks like anymore.

― gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:35 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think 'dinah jams' is a crazy great record & also includes clifford brown -- ive got you under my skin version is amazing (max roach + brown, maynard furgeson & clark terry in a trumpet battle!!)

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

going to work, hope there isnt a clusterfuck in my bookmarks tomorrow morning when i'm trying to see the winner.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

Clifford Brown is serious. That whole Mosaic box is killer and it's a mind-boggling "what if?" to think about him living past the age of 25.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

other artists that didnt make the list that have been on my mind ... woody shaw, jon faddis (of course im naming trumpet players), abdullah ibrahim ... stan kenton was another good one GD mentioned

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

5    Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes
http://img9.9sky.com/picture/cpfm/_V2/4/47987/47987_a.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/2iPH3iUmpa9ufIpwY76keF

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

(That was in response to: everyone please quit the trolling and talk about the albums.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

okay that is too high

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

yeah clifford brown could still be alive today, which is nuts. he was apparently a clean living kind of guy. no idea what musical route he would've taken though.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

Haha Rudipherous you're impossible today. But so am I.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

Troll = official ILM cosmic jazz hat mascot

Moodles, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

okay that is too high

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:43 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm imo

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

sidebar: my uncle's father-in-law is a Stan Kenton devotee to this day, is super enthusiastic about jazz even in his 80s, still goes out to see live jazz regularly. is always like "oh this record is AWESOME here TAKE IT! i've listened to it 100 times, got it memorized, OH if you like that then you GOTTA hear THIS" *scurries away to go pluck out another gem. his knowledge stops at like 1958 but so cool to talk to him about the music he's passionate about

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

Shape of Jazz to Come (and most of the other Atlantic recordings) are among my all time favorites, so I'm ok with 5th place

Moodles, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

No Julius Hemphill, no Gene Ammons, no Bill Dixon, no Tony Oxley, no Lennie Tristano :(

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

Pharoah Sanders on the other hand, as much as I love him, is probably too high on this list.

Moodles, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

Hey, I'm still holding out for Dixon's Intents & Purposes placing in the top 4!

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

Dogon A.D. is definitely an oversight.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

no Gene Ammons,

was wondering about this myself

this top 10 ordering is pretty bonkers imho

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

i voted for shape of jazz -- if i'm gona vote for one ornette, it's gonna be that one.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

I'm more of a Coon Bid'ness guy, but any Hemphill would have been welcome.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

i like gene ammons but sadly lots of things are gonna miss out in a poll. but maybe if some more of you guys complaining voted it would be different

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

(not having a go at anyone who didn't, you have your reasons)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

maybe if you guys who voted listened to REAL JAZZ

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

winky face obv

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

can we post our ballots yet?

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

the jazz contingent on ilm is tiny. half of the jazz d-bags posters didn't vote/nominate so im amazed and well chuffed we got 39 voters (thanks to you all). But we got a great list of 250 awesome records and full results will be posted at the end so you can still check out some great albums that missed the top 250

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

~can u feel it~

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder what it would have taken for this to be a 'bad list'

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

hah, no william. Do you guys want a separate post yr ballots thread? if so i'll start one when it's time

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

deej do you think this is really a bad list??

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

no. the backpatting abt how good it was seemed a bit silly tho

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

well it has a 250 of great albums. That people will check out if they haven't already I'd consider that good.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

4    Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes
http://alifewellwasted.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Eric_Dolphy-Out_To_Lunch-Frontal.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3PIVqZzL1PnrxFZDzuT1aX

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

Beautiful album.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

Poll #4 = my #4

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

kind of prefer other dolphy albums to it, though. it's fab, but i reach for the five spot albums more.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

Of all the places to complain about the obscurity impulses of ILX you're really going to take this thread up as your cause, deej? You're posting on a message board that was spawned from a Belle & Sebastian listserv.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

I mean of all the polls ILX has done in the 8 years I've been lurking this is the first one where I was like "yeah, that's cool."

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

tylerw, totally. Vol I of Live at the Five Spot is :O

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

Love that Dolphy record so much. As much as I dig his other records, the closest thing I can think of that approaches it in terms of arrangements/compositional sensibility is Tony Williams' hella underrated Spring and Life Time.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

3 Kenny G - Classics In The Key of Deej (1999) 33333333 Points, 333 votes, 303 #1's
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gs5wUdnaTAI/TcQG3i4WWCI/AAAAAAAAAh8/YQmyn47vUJI/s1600/Frontal.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1wLXshc2igqrn9dvE64Ko8

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

*tumbleweed*

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

3    John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's
http://minoltamania.com/John%20Coltrane_Giant%20Steps.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7cZ6oBx0SEUPDAoxJtxNDh

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

nice

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

hope no-one is going to shout too high

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

well i wouldn't shout in the office w/all these people around, no

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

Good to see Tommy Flanagan make it

I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

I wish Beyond the Bluebird had made it.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

Well, if I'd voted -- and I wouldn't have, because I don't feel qualified -- 5, 4, and 3 would all have been on my ballot. I still think "Shape of Jazz" is extraordinary. Yeah, historical significance and all, but if you just gave it to me on a cassette marked "Awesome Music" I think it would still be pretty mind-blowing.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

given all the complaining about ALS upthread that it got beat by Blue Train, Ascension, and Giant Steps - modal, free, and bebop beating the spiritual hats lol

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

tipsy otm

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link

Blue Train, Ascension, and Giant Steps
goes to show that coltrane has a pretty deep catalog -- i didn't vote for any of these.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

Want #2 on it's own or #2 & #1 together?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

given all the complaining about ALS upthread that it got beat by Blue Train, Ascension, and Giant Steps - modal, free, and bebop beating the spiritual hats lol

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 4:29 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

victory

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

ilx agrees with me :p

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

You're free to masturbate.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqwxr1n9Mj1qz96eoo1_400.jpg

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

#2 usually does come with #1 ime

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

you love free jazz?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

You're free to masturbate.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 4:38 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whats w your genitalia obsession itt

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link

It's a perfect analogy for your dick-wagging.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

victory

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011

beyond parody

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

iirc im talkin about jazz youre the one bringing up dicks & vajajays

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

vajayjazz

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

guys go put on some grant green and ~vibe

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link

lol

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link

be sure to use spiritual jimmy hats

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link

You're not even talking about jazz is the problem. You're talking about how you have a bigger jazz dick than any of the voters and implying only you have some private knowledge as to what constitutes Real Jazz. I had never understood why literally everyone on ILX hated you, but it's clear that it's because you claim expertise on everything and everyone and would like to think your opinions have more actual value than they do.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

hahaha he hasn't really said anything for a while

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

victory

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011

beyond parody

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 4:40 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how so

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

You're not even talking about jazz is the problem. You're talking about how you have a bigger jazz dick than any of the voters and implying only you have some private knowledge as to what constitutes Real Jazz. I had never understood why literally everyone on ILX hated you, but it's clear that it's because you claim expertise on everything and everyone and would like to think your opinions have more actual value than they do.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 4:45 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is not at all what ive done but u need to get off my (ready?) dick

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

because you were railing against the poll pointlessly, and because u treated ALS as a terrible record, and backed yourself up by referencing non-existent literature. nobody rode for ALS as better than blue train or giant steps iirc.

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

because u treated ALS as a terrible record

he didn't say this tho

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

This is actually kind exciting... I know what one of the top two albums will be, but not the another one. I guess they can't both be Miles albums, all the other canonical one have already placed, right?

Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

i never treated als as a terrible record, i said it was overrated by outsiders & that w/in the canon its treated as one of several great records, rarely considered his finest moment, and there is 'existing literature' its just not linked on the wikipedia page that you were referencing

i was arguin w/ people in the thread who specifically said that no, ALS was the best one & that was a universally agreed upon position. obv this wasnt something all 39 ppl agreed with but the ppl arguing w/ me did

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

read the thread

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

Yah I'm at a loss as to what the other album would be!

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

Also, I don't get why this countdown needed to be Deej Against the World, but whatever. At least the debate got a handful of interesting comments out of people.

(xxx-post)

Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

mingus?

anorange (abanana), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

oh obv lol

i hope miles wins

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway, can we please focus on the albums in the top 10 and not some debate that's been repeated for the last 500 posts?

Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

so no Charlie Parker!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

there is 'existing literature' its just not linked on the wikipedia page that you were referencing <--what? not me bruv. this is pathetic.

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

no, ALS was the best one & that was a universally agreed upon position

nobody said this either btw

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

mingus?

I'm not that knowledgeable on Mingus, but I wouldn't think anything else by him would place higher than Ah Um?

Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

Deej why are you being a dick to armand who has been restrained and polite with the constant snark against the poll hes put a lot of effort into? I admit i never liked him in the past due to my prejudices against metal ( the polls hes run in the past) but this has been one of the most enlightening and enjoyable polls on ilx. Makes a change from pop indie and other rock.

BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 2 September 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link

sorry i didn't vote in this, glad to see Gracham got in via Jackie McLean. also would have given a write-in/throwaway to the 61 Village Vanguard recordings.

Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

Kerr, can we get the results soon? I need to be going to sleep, and I'd still love to see #2 and #1 before that.

Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

Deej why are you being a dick to armand who has been restrained and polite with the constant snark against the poll hes put a lot of effort into? I admit i never liked him in the past due to my prejudices against metal ( the polls hes run in the past) but this has been one of the most enlightening and enjoyable polls on ilx. Makes a change from pop indie and other rock.

― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, September 2, 2011 4:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i didnt think i was fwiw

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

you said no argument could be made for ALS as his best - that argument has been made, by lots of people (I cited a couple). But no one on this thread specifically argued ALS was his best (including me, as I was careful to note).

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

fun with semantics part 7,698

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not that knowledgeable on Mingus, but I wouldn't think anything else by him would place higher than Ah Um?

there's an album of his we were just talking about upthread that hasn't placed yet...

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link

:D

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

you said no argument could be made for ALS as his best - that argument has been made, by lots of people (I cited a couple). But no one on this thread specifically argued ALS was his best (including me, as I was careful to note).

xp

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what post was this? im just trying to find the context in which i said 'no argument could be made'

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks for doing this, Armand. Fabulous list.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

yay! my no1!

dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

i was listening to IASW on repeat when i fell asleep on Sept. 10th 2001. Had really strange unpleasant dreams all night where i was just floating in a heavy fog. My roommate woke me up in the morning and I felt really ugly before he told me what happened. Have only listened to the album sparingly in the decade since, despite how it captures the late hours better than any music i've ever heard.

Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

yes thanks so much!

dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks for doing this poll. Very entertaining and enlightening.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

agreed w/ thanks for doing this, v interesting list *strokes non-beard*

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, thanks! good times, spotify playlist is a thing of beauty.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link

Yes! We <3 you, K3rr Bear

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

Can't say I'm disappointed with #1, it's my favourite Miles album. Though I guess astral hat jazz wins trad jazz in the end, IaSW is more like ambient than "proper" jazz to me, despite the awesome solos.

Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

so I don't follow music crit much, but when I was getting into miles ('96-'97) In a Silent Way was glossed over, I almost never saw it mentioned. If it was, it was as the precursor (along w/Jack Johnson) of Bitches Brew. Has its status been elevated amongst the masses since?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

glad that a pretty record won!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

I approve of this #1 -- IASW was in my top 5. Thanks for your work, Mr. Ratfucker, good poll action. Thanks also to seandalai for numbercrunching.

Granny, it always had a strong and steady following, and BB and JJ opinions seems to wax and wane. IASW is forever.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

maybe in rock critic books but the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums from the era that got considerably more attention from folks outside of the jazz world

― D-40, Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

shakey this was my orig. argument. i never said NO CASE COULD BE MADE that it was his best, i was talking about perception of conflicting canons

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

Top 250 Albums (where available) Spotify playlist Please subscribe and enjoy!

A pleasure running this poll, Lots of great albums and will post the full list shortly so you can see what missed out (that shocked me)

But please, seandalai did all the hard work with the tabulation, stuff I cant do, so please direct all your thanks to him. And a BIG THANKS to all who voted and joined in the discussion. Hope you all discover some really great albums from the poll.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

I may have said something along those lines as far as my personal take on the record, i.e. 'as far as im concerned there isnt a case to be made for it being...' etc. although on a quick skim thru the thread i didnt see it. but i dont think that's contradicting my argument abt perceptions of the canon overall

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

The post IaSW electric Miles I've listened to, they haven't just made half as big an impression to me as this one, because with the latter stuff it feels like he's just incorporating rock and funk into his music, whereas with this one he's doing something no one (that I know) had been doing before, or since.

Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

Only one track on Black Saint & the Sinner Lady is available on Spotify Free -- is the whole album available to paying customers?

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

im w/ granny dainger in my perception of that miles vs the rest of his output ... i do like it, think its a pretty great record but I prefer both kind of blue/milestones & miles smiles/esp eras personally

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

Will post the recap meanwhile for tuomas and other folks who just joined

Recap 250-1

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes

49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes
25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes
24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes
23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes
22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes
21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes
20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes

19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1
18 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's
17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1
16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes
15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes
14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes
13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes
12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes
11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1

10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #1
9 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes
8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1
7 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1
6 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes
5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes
4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes
3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's
2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1

1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969) 3379 Points, 23 votes, 3 #1's

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

also: love supreme is like bottom hundred in quality imo, not even top 5 coltrane

you totally went after this record ("smh@vocal mantras"), disparaging its presumed placement BEFORE IT HAD EVEN PLACED, and before anyone had said anything about it.

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

im curious where the groundswell critically came for 'black saint' -- was there a particular critic who championed it? I know it was on some pfork list awhile back

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

one more time for reading comprehension, this is what I originally took issue with:
kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

you totally went after this record ("smh@vocal mantras"), disparaging its presumed placement BEFORE IT HAD EVEN PLACED, and before anyone had said anything about it.

xp

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:12 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok? i dont see how that implies i said there was no case to be made for it being good, in a general sense

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

pfork only noted it after it became the album

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

i thought it was always highly regarded yeah

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

if you've got an IaSW itch, there's nothing else that scratches it. or at least not that I've come across. i can't say the same about KoB (which I would've had #1) or Black Saint or etc etc

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

in the late 90s when I first got it it was my favourite of the 6cds i bought then i realised that a lot of people agreed with me (same with tribute to jack johnson) pitchfork like other big general critic sites were late to the party as usual

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

i thought it was always highly regarded yeah

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 5:15 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah but so is the bulk of his catalog. im just wondering how this became ~the one~

i mean you can say its just the quality of the album but usually someone makes some kind of case for it in the public discourse

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

y'know i think for me, i picked up black saint because i knew that someone from astral weeks played on it. i was obsessed with AW for a while, so I read everything I could find about it, and it mentioned Jay Berliner's involvement on Black Saint. I had several mingus records before that, but it's a big catalog, it was kind of hard to know what to pick up back in the day.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

if you've got an IaSW itch, there's nothing else that scratches it. or at least not that I've come across.

Check out The Necks!

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

To me a very interesting choice for number 1 in a jazz poll. IASW, is not only jazz at the heights of abstraction and verging on "ambient", it was if i understand correctly very much shaped after the fact in the studio by Teo Macero's tape manipulation, Splicing and looping the bands source material. Which of coarse leeds to all kinds of ideas about the ascendance of the studio as an instrument, sampling and electronic music in the last quarter of the twentieth century.

It is also just an incredible Beautiful album

dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

ok? i dont see how that implies i said there was no case to be made for it being good, in a general sense

jesus christ do I need to diagram this sentence for you, aren't you paid to write wtf

kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

the way this is written, the first phrase implies that the subject of the second phrase does not meet the same criteria, ie does not have a case to be made

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

aaaanyway

kinda weird top 5 here - all great records but placings seem off to me. I like IaSW fine but it doesn't stand out to me like some of his other electric work does. is it just because it was first/shock of the new? I dunno

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

I'm looking forward to seandalai's poll of spiritual hats from the top 250 poll!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

To me a very interesting choice for number 1 in a jazz poll. IASW, is not only jazz at the heights of abstraction and verging on "ambient", it was if i understand correctly very much shaped after the fact in the studio by Teo Macero's tape manipulation, Splicing and looping the bands source material. Which of coarse leeds to all kinds of ideas about the ascendance of the studio as an instrument, sampling and electronic music in the last quarter of the twentieth century.

Yep, supposedly there was only 16 minutes that Miles wanted to use, so Macero rearranged them into 30+ minutes. The box is utterly fascinating; you can hear the unedited performances, and whole major frequently-repeated themes are left on the cutting room floor (to Joe Zawinul's frustration).

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

btw shakey look at the # of points. It was really close. There was never really a huge jump in points between each album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

one more time for reading comprehension, this is what I originally took issue with:
kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah i mean ... this is my opinion? i think im right? obv in a literal sense anyone can make a case for anything. imo, there isnt a case to be made for ALS being trane's best record, to me, because i dont think its quite as good as village vanguard, live at birdland, etc,

this is a separate argument from my contention that w/in jazz discourse there's a general sentiment (or had been, at any rate, w the bulk of the writing i had read) that 'a love supreme,' despite being his most popular record, wasn't really his finest accomplishment.

this doesnt mean that i said NO CRITICS HAVE EVER MADE THE CASE

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

Awesome poll, happy with the #1, the whole top 10 in fact, great work. In A Silent way is just so beautiful, much as I love the later electric Miles albums I really think there's something special and perfect about that one. Also so much stuff to investigate - especially keen to check out the many Blue Note albums here I don't already know. Definitely doing some CD shopping tomorrow!

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

I wish unperson would post his thoughts on In A Silent Way

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

"Which of coarse leeds" is some kind of creative use of english huh?

dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

i do think this is a v interesting no. 1 -- not partic spiritual hat, but not trad either. def doesnt fight the miles dominance of the poll tho lol

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

when i saw the first miles record that placed i was like, whoa, this is gonna be miles-heavy, but didnt realize how much so

fwiw i def prefer KoB & think there's a particularly unique & invigorating period for jazz that still retained a uniquely jazz sensibility, that didnt need to incorporate the encroaching populism of rock / funk etc., and for that reason remains probably the high water mark of miles' career to me

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

Aaaaand... relax. Thanks, Kerr and seandalai.

I love Mingus but have somehow never managed to hear the #2 album, so I hereby give carte blanche to everyone to tell me that my hep level is weak.

emil.y, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

I love Miles but really, he's over-represented here at the cost of excluding others

but whatever

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

i dont think thats partic unusual emil.y! i def got into mingus through other records, was surprised when i saw it cropping up on like pfork or whatever

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

I love Miles but really, he's over-represented here at the cost of excluding others

but whatever

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:27 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah theres def a depth over breadth thing to the poll

im glad its miles, though

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

agree w/deej on KoB. If an alien asked me what jazz is, I'd play him KoB 1st. feel free to make a sun ra-alien joke here.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

well, with Black Saint, it's almost like A Love Supreme -- maybe a rockist kinda thing? Not saying that in a negative way but maybe Black Saint is more of an "album" -- a cohesive whole, a concept-y record.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

yah but so is the bulk of his catalog. im just wondering how this became ~the one~

it's got a very pretty cover with a quote on it

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

pretty sweet hat too

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

"Ascent" and "Early Minor" off of the complete IASW sessions are also beauties.

dsb, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

v earthy hat

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

yeah black saint is a statement whereas others may be easier to see as a collection of tunes

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

These artists had the following # of albums in the 250 (might be acts with 4 or 5 missing so its not definitive)

Sonny Rollins - 4
Alice Coltrane - 5
Grant Green - 5
Ornette Coleman -
Archie Shepp - 7
Pharoah Sanders -
Thelonious Monk - 8
Charles Mingus - 9
Sun Ra - 11
Herbie Hancock - 13
John Coltrane - 23
Miles Davis - 31

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

"Which of coarse leeds" is some kind of creative use of english huh?

Leeds can be pretty coarse on a Friday night

Number None, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

yeah black saint is a statement whereas others may be easier to see as a collection of tunes

rockism

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

Alice Coltrane had 5, I think.

Tuomas, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

miles davis vs the beatles would still get thrashed in an ILM poll, right?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link

rockism yes, someone already said that

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link

man alice coltrane's star has def risen

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks to everyone for voting and discussing, I certainly learned a lot from the poll. I don't really want to get into the big metafight, but as a confirmed member of the spiritual hat club I do see where deej etc. are coming from - while I do love a wide spectrum of jazz, the dominant aesthetic through which I appreciate music is one that originally comes from listening to other genres rather than through a formal or informal "jazz education".

But as has been pointed out, it's an ILM poll. If we ran a classical music poll, nobody would be surprised when some posters dissent from the general consensus that Reich and Cage have more top-100 compositions than Mozart.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

rockism yes, someone already said that

rockist to point this out imo

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

by which i mean i should have read the thread

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

thnx sd -- fwiw i felt like the discussion was worthwhile & i enjoyed hearing some ppl's perspectives on it for sure incl some of those who disagreed

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

rock is the best, though let's be real
rock vs. jazz poll coming soon.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

haha oh god imagine a composers poll? (actually that would be a great poll and would be very enlightening ) but imagine the fighting

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

Year # of albums
1947 1
1950 1
1953 1
1954 3
1956 7
1957 17
1958 11
1959 10
1960 12
1961 14
1962 11
1963 18
1964 19
1965 18
1966 15
1967 13
1968 7
1969 17
1970 11
1971 8
1972 8
1973 7
1974 6
1975 6
1976 1
1977 1
1978 1
1980 1
1986 1
1990 1
1991 1
1994 1
2002 1

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

Bit of a blip in 1968 - what went wrong?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

oh cool, thanks NickB! (fancy doing record labels? haha)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

lack of charlie parker is understandable -- other than massey hall, right? but he's not an album dude. but the real great one is the 1945 Town Hall show. like the monk/coltrane discovery, this is one that delivers on the hype.

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

Meant to say to include labels when you started the run down :( xp

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

id say 'parker w/ strings' could have made my top 150 or so

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

I voted for The Charlie Parker Story, even though the false starts outnumber the complete takes.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

gimme 10 mins then i'll post the whole 500 or whatever it was

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

Anyhow, after years of not really listening to any jazz at all, this has definitely reignited my interest. TBH I thought this was a v. crazy idea and was totally O_O when I saw you were doing a top 250, but there are some interesting looking things throughout the whole rundown, so thanks a lot for doing this Kerr!

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link

think i'm most sad that Louis and Duke's "Great Summit" didn't make it :((((

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

That's a great one (thought I didn't vote for it). Far better than I expected it would be.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

Like I said, nothing particularly insightful is going to come from me but despite everything I would not hesitate in sending this link to anyone who wanted to know "what are 250 jazz albums that I should listen to?" This isn't a Downbeat poll. It's a bunch of nerds on ILX so of course it's going to be a little skewed but I love it.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

But to add to the list of racist oversights, no Gerry Mulligan? C'mon, now.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

Smaller polls like top 50s/100s miss out on a lot of really great but 'niche' albums as 'canonical' albums dominate. Which means no-one really learns anything apart from newbies. But the fact a lot of the jazz d-bag thread regs said they learned lots of new albums validates it. Just because an album isn't in the top 50 doesn't mean it's not worthwhile, that goes for any genre.
Obviously I didn't decide on a top 250 til seandalai sent me the results and realised it could be done. So thanks to all of you who voted and made it possible. Especially those who did the full 100 ballots. That was awesome. The jazz fans might be a tiny niche on ILM but they sure are dedicated.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

I'm pretty damn sure that any message board on the internet would have different results from each other. This one really does represent ILM though and I hope lots do check albums out.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

I learned that nobody likes jazz vocalists but me :(

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

posting this for the fuck of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4aHWG7aqPM

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link

even tho it has a terrible cover, this is my favorite vocal jazz record (not an "album" per se)
http://www.duduki.net/photocache/36/mp3//goj-006-Billie%20Holliday%20With%20Lester%20Young-Lady%20Day%20and%20Prez%201937-1941/tn_400__cover.jpg

tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link

A Love Supreme at #15 = people love jazz vocals.

gutta gutta island (s. morris), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link

Lot's of people like jazz singers. ilxors who don't like jazz singers just don't like to vote. Quite a few jazz fans on ilx are anti-poll

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

ilxors who like jazz singers just don't like to vote

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

lambert hendricks & ross should be here ... dinah washington ... billie hoilday obv ... sarah vaughn ...

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alUSx_X_za8

Chet didn't make a single appearance here :(

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

sarah vaughn did make it, deej

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

my first exposure to Ella Fitzgerald was her cameo in an episode of the White Shadow lol

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link

yay IaSW! otm whoever said nothing else scratches that itch, i feel that too
also, i love jazz singers

special thanks to kerr for being a positive force even if i do sort of regret voting now that i know that i don't deserve to have an opinion, and thanks for spreading the cosmic spirit through spotify

a tip of the spiritual hat to all of you for caring enough about jazz in 2011 to argue about it on the internet
seriously

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

okay I'm done I promise

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

I'm trying to set up the hat poll but ILX doesn't like the images I'm using and I keep getting opaque error messages. Does anyone know if there are constraints like max image size or anything I might be missing?

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

special thanks to kerr for being a positive force even if i do sort of regret voting now that i know that i don't deserve to have an opinion

― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, September 2, 2011 6:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeesh no one said this

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

ah dang yeah there is an image limit on posts i think, to stop image bombing? would that be it?

zvookster, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:17 (twelve years ago) link

i know

put a hat on and ~chill out~ deej :)

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link

What is the type of hat called that Mingus is wearing on Black Saint, and Pharoah Sanders is wearing on Tauhid (and possibly Karma)?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link

Full list
placing/artist-album/points/votes/ no 1s

1    Miles Davis - In A Silent Way    3379    23    3 #1s
2    Charles Mingus - Black Saint And Sinner Lady    3321    22    1 #1
3    John Coltrane - Giant Steps    3134    23    2 #1s
4    Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch    3080    22   
5    Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come    3011    22  
6    Pharoah Sanders - Karma    2996    21    0   
7    John Coltrane - Ascension    2912    22    1 #1
8    Herbie Hancock - Sextant    2859    19    1  #1
9    Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue    2785    21    0   
10    Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi    2774    20    1 #1
11    Hank Mobley - Soul Station    2737    17    1 #1
12    Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters    2716    20  
13    John Coltrane - Blue Train    2710    20   
14    Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um    2708    22  
15    John Coltrane - A Love Supreme    2701    20  
16    John Coltrane - My Favourite Things    2651    21  
17    Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin'    2602    17    1  #1
18    Miles Davis - Bitches Brew    2554    17    2 #1s
19    Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda    2466    17    1 #1
20    Albert Ayler - spiritual unity    2239    17    0   
21    Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners    2220    15    0   
22    Miles Davis - Round About Midnight    2165    15    0   
23    Jackie McLean - Destination Out    2118    14    0   
24    Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder    2096    16    0   
25    Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures    1983    15    0  
 
26    Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse)    1982    17   
27    Miles Davis - On the Corner    1957    14    1  #1
28    Joe Henderson - Page One    1902    12    0   
29    Herbie Hancock - Crossings    1898    14    1  #1
30    Archie Shepp - Fire Music    1896    13    1  #1
31    Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land    1836    12   
32    Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun    1714    12    1 #1
33    Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus    1658    15 
34    Andrew Hill - Point of Departure    1626    14    0   
35    Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson    1616    14 
36    Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus    1538    13    1  #1
37    Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus    1528    12  
38    Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz    1520    13    0   
39    Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain    1493    12    0   
40    Donald Byrd - A New Perspective    1481    12    0   
41    John Coltrane - interstellar Space    1461    15    0   
42    Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud    1447    13    0   
43    Miles Davis - Agharta    1393    12    0   
44    Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out    1378    9    0   
45    Miles Davis - Get Up With It    1350    12    0   
46    Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music    1343    12    0   
47    John Coltrane - Africa/Brass    1262    13    0   
48    Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet    1251    10    0
49    Horace Silver - Song for My Father    1228    12    0   
50    John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane    1225    11    0   

51    Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions    1216    10    0   
52    Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil    1207    11    0   
53    Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser    1201    12    0   
54    Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage    1200    12    0   
55    Wayne Shorter - JuJu    1194    12    0   
56    Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin'    1151    10    0   
57    Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music    1135    10    0   
58    Donald Byrd - off to the races    1132    11    0   
59    Duke Ellington - Far East Suite    1125    9    0   
60    Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter    1099    10    0   
61    Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1    1096    10    0   
62    Duke Ellington/Charlie Mingus/Max Roach - Money Jungle    1095    10    0
63    Charlie Haden - Music Liberation Orchestra    1091    10    0   
64    Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century    1083    10    0   
65    Cecil Taylor - Conquistador    1071    10    1 #1
66    John Coltrane - Meditations    1069    9    1  #1
67    Hank Mobley - Roll Call    1049    10    1  #1
68    Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling    1048    11    0   
69    Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth    1035    9    0
70    Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity    1007    11    0   
71    Pharoah Sanders - Thembi    1007    9    0   
72    Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead    1003    9    0   
73    Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman    997    10    0   
74    Anthony Braxton - for alto    986    8    0   
75    Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off    976    8    0   
76    David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds    974    8    0   
77    Miles Davis - Cookin'    966    10    0   
78    John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse)    965    10    0   
79    Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness    964    7    2  #1s
80    Miles Davis - Miles Smiles    951    9    0   
81    Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream    949    10    0   
82    John Coltrane - Stellar Regions    942    9    1 #1s
83    Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play    940    10    0   
84    Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid    932    10    0   
85    Miles Davis - Bags' Groove    930    8    0   
86    Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame    929    9    0   
87    John Coltrane - Crescent    920    8    0   
88    Miles Davis - Nefertiti    912    8    0   
89    Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question!    904    10    0   
90    Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool    898    9    0   
91    Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles    890    11    0   
92    Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness    880    8    0   
93    Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages    872    7    0   
94    Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport    863    7    0   
95    John Coltrane - Sun Ship    859    9    0   
96    Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard    849    8    0   
97    Grant Green - Idle Moments    846    9    0   
98    Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House    846    8    0
99    Miles Davis - E.S.P.    835    9    0   
100    Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie    828    9    0   

101    Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue    818    8    0   
102    Andrew Hill - Black Fire    812    8    0   
103    Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village    807    6    1 #1
104    Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2    803    9    0   
105    Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy    801    8    0   
106    Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby    796    7    0   
107    Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd    785    8    0   
108    Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky    778    7    0   
109    McCoy Tyner - Expansions    771    7    0   
110    Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious    764    7    0   
111    Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond    761    8    0   
112    Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia    760    7    0   
113    Miles Davis - Miles Ahead    751    9    0   
114    John Coltrane - First Meditations    747    7    0   
115    Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up    739    6    0   
115    Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah    739    6    0   
117    Kenny Dorham - Matador    737    7    0   
118    Miles Davis - Milestones    731    8    0   
119    Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin'    728    7    0   
120    Sun Ra - Nothing Is    723    7    0   
121    Big John Patton - Along Came John    718    7    0   
122    Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju    714    8    0   
123    Miles Davis - Relaxin'    703    9    0   
124    Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess    702    6    0   
125    Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro    698    8    0   
126    Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight    695    7    0   
127    Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music    694    8    0   
128    Bobby Hutcherson - Components    693    6    0   
129    John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama    687    7    0   
130    Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas    684    7    0   
131    Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay    674    8    0   
132    Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall    673    0
133    Miles Davis - Sorcerer    667    6    0   
134    Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse    662    7    0   
135    Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2    659    8    0   
136    Sonny Rollins - Way Out West    656    6    0   
137    Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll    646    7    0   
138    Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought    637    6    0   
139    Herbie Hancock - Manchild    635    7    0   
140    Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods    635    5    0   
141    Don Cherry - Brown Rice    633    6    0   
142    Joe Henderson - In 'N Out    629    6    0   
143    Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy    625    6    0   
144    Grant Green - Matador    624    6    0   
145    Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk    621    0
145    Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands    621    5    0   
147    Miles Davis - Workin'    620    7    0   
148    j.j. johnson - proof positive    619    7    0   
149    Billy Cobham - Spectrum    618    6    0   
149    Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music    618    6    0 
  
151    Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall    612    7    0   
152    stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto    607    5    0   
153    Hank Mobley - Workout    604    6    0   
154    Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame    600    7    0   
155    Miles Davis - Pangaea    598    6    0   
156    Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy!    597    4    1  #1s
157    Miles Davis - Dark Magus    595    6    0   
158    Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping    592    6    0   
158    Yusuf Lateef - Eastern Sounds    592    6    0   
160    Herbie Mann - Memphis underground    586    5    0   
161    Eric Dolphy - Out There    580    6    0   
162    Andrew Hill - Judgment!    578    5    0   
163    Grant Green - Solid    564    6    0   
164    Miles Davis - Walkin'    563    6    0   
165    Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue    563    5    0   
166    Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One    561    5    0   
167    Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse    561    4    0   
168    Noah Howard - The Black Ark    558    6    0   
169    Sun Ra - Atlantis    554    7    0   
170    Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie    553    5    0   
170    Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven    553    5    0   
172    Charles Mingus - The Clown    550    7    0   
173    Donald Byrd - places and spaces    550    5    0   
174    Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else    548    5    0   
175    Curtis Fuller - the opener    548    4    1   #1s
176    Archie Shepp - Attica Blues    545    6    0   
177    Tony Williams - Lifetime    542    7    0   
178    Wayne Shorter - Super Nova    540    5    0   
179    Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine    539    5    0   
180    Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring    537    7    0   
181    Albert Ayler - Bells    535    5    0   
181    Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy    535    5    0   
183    Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel    534    6    0   
184    Archie Shepp - On This Night    530    6    0   
185    Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia    530    5    0
186    Andrew Hill - Compulsion    529    6    0   
187    Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk    528    3    0   
188    John Coltrane - Lush Life    526    4    0   
188    John Coltrane - Training In    526    4    0   
190    Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do    525    5    0   
191    Don Wilkerson - Elder Don    523    5    0   
192    Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie    521    4    0   
193    Eddie Henderson - Sunburst    519    7    0   
194    Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones    519    5    0   
195    Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section    515    5    0
196    John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues    513    5    0   
197    Jimmy Smith - The Sermon    513    4    0   
198    Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge    512    6    0   
199    Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown")    512    4    0   
200    John Coltrane - Ballads    510    5    0   

201    Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics    507    0
202    Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti    505    4    0   
203    Alice Coltrane - Eternity    502    4    0   
204    Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye    501    6    0   
205    Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport    501    4    0   
206    Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane    479    3    0   
207    Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam    478    5    0   
208    Albert Ayler - New grass    478    4    0   
209    Jimmy Smith - Root Down    477    4    0   
210    John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde    476    5    0   
211    Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs    474    3    0   
212    Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues    473    6    0   
213    Nina Simone - At Town Hall    470    4    0   
214    Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower    465    3    0   
215    Albert Ayler - Love Cry    461    6    0   
216    Sun Ra - Lanquidity    460    3    0   
217    Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun    458    5    0   
218    Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen    457    5    0   
219    McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World    453    4    0   
220    Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz    440    3    0   
221    Ornette Coleman - Ornette!    436    5    0   
222    Eric Dolphy - Iron Man    436    4    0   
223    Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman    432    4    0   
224    Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar    431    4    0   
225    Grant Green - Street Of Dreams    422    4    0   
226    Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants    417    4    0
227    Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet    415    5    0   
228    Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet    415    4    0   
229    Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco    413    3    0   
230    Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent    412    4    0   
231    Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia    402    5    0   
232    Roland Kirk - Blacknuss    398    4    0   
233    Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite    394    4    0   
234    Derek Bailey - Ballads    387    5    0   
235    Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement    387    3    0   
236    Herbie Hancock - Thrust    386    3    0   
237    John Coltrane - Live at Birdland    384    4    0   
238    Sun Ra - Other Planes of There    381    3    0   
239    Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata    380    2    0
240    Elvin Jones - Dear John C.    377    4    0   
240    Peter Brötzmann - Nipples    377    4    0   
242    Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks    377    3    0   
243    Milford Graves - Babi    376    2    0   
243    Sonny Sharrock - Guitar    376    2    0   
245    Sun Ra - Strange Strings    373    4    0   
246    Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots    369    4    0   
247    Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street    367    3    0   
248    gil evans - out of the cool    365    3    0   
249    Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up    364    3    0   
250    Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross    359    4    0  

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251    Grant Green - Live At Club Mozambique    356    4    0   
252    Charlie Parker - The Charlie Parker Story    354    2    0   
252    Colin Stetson - New History Warfare Vol. 2: Judges    354    2    0
254    James Blood Ulmer - Odyssey    353    3    0   
255    Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire    352    4    0   
256    Larry Young - Unity    352    3    0   
257    Leon Thomas - Spirits Known and Unknown    352    2    0   
258    Carla Bley/Paul Haines - Escalator Over The Hill    351    4    0
259    Herbie Hancock - Sunlight    347    4    0   
260    Frank Sinatra - Songs for Swinging Lovers    339    3    0   
261    John McLaughlin - Extrapolation    336    2    0   
262    Eddie Henderson - Realization    335    4    0   
263    Count Basie - April In Paris    334    2    0   
264    Charles Mingus - At Antibes    332    2    0   
265    Antonio Carlos Jobim - wave    330    3    0   
266    Stanley Turrentine - Dont Miss With Mr T    328    2    0   
267    kai winding and j.j. johnson - 1960 - the great kai & j.j    326    0
268    John Coltrane - Coltrane Jazz    321    4    0   
269    Grant Green - Alive    321    3    1    Patrick
270    Frank Zappa - Hot Rats    321    3    0   
271    Chet Baker - Chet    314    2    0   
272    John Coltrane - Dear Old Stockholm    293    3    0   
273    Ayler/Cherry/Tchicai/Rudd/Peacock/Murray - New York Eye and Ear Control293    2    0   
274    Roland Kirk - The Inflated Tear    291    3    0   
275    Roland Kirk - Prepare Thyself To Deal With A Miracle    290    2    0
276    Cecil Taylor - Jumpin' Punkins    289    3    0   
277    Albert Ayler - Nuits de La Fondation Maeght, Vol. 1    288    3    0
278    Roland Kirk - Volunteered Slavery    287    2    0   
279    Ella Fitzgerald - Sings the George and Ira Gershwin Songbook    286    0
280    John Zorn - Spy Vs. Spy    285    3    0   
281    James Blood Ulmer - Tales of Captain Black    284    3    0   
282    Miles Davis - Black Beauty: Miles Davis at Fillmore West    283    0
283    Thelonious Monk - Underground    281    2    0   
284    Anthony Braxton - Quartet (Dortmund) 1976    279    2    0   
285    Sonny Rollins - A Night at the Village Vanguard    278    3    0   
286    Ella Fitzgerald - Ella in Berlin: Mack the Knife    275    2    0
287    Naked City - Heretic: Jeux des Dames Cruelles    274    2    0   
288    Nina Simone - At Carnegie Hall    273    3    0   
289    Idris Muhammad - Black Rhythm Revolution!    270    2    0   
290    Weather Report - Heavy Weather    268    3    0   
291    Vince Guaraldi - Jazz Impressions of Black Orpheus    267    2    0
292    Peter Brotzmann - Chicago Octet/Tentet    265    2    0   
293    Wes Montgomery - Full House    264    3    0   
294    Joe Henderson - Inner urge    262    3    0   
295    Clifford Brown and Max Roach - Study in Brown    255    2    0   
295    Roland Kirk Quartet featuring Elvin Jones - Rip, Rig and Panic    255    0
297    Keith Jarrett - The Köln Concert    253    2    0   
298    Joe Henderson featuring Alice Coltrane - The Elements    252    2    0
299    Carlos Santana & John McLaughlin - Love Devotion Surrender    250    0

300    Nina Simone - Baltimore    244    2    0   
301    Sonny Rollins - Sonny Rollins Plus 4    243    2    0   
302    Frank Sinatra - In the Wee Small Hours    233    2    0   
303    Billie Holiday - Lady In Satin    226    3    0   
304    Innerzone Orchestra - Programmed    226    2    0   
305    Thelonious Monk - It's Monks Time    221    3    0   
306    Sonny Rollins - The Bridge    216    3    0   
307    Chet Baker - Chet Baker Sings    203    2    0   
308    David Murray - Flowers For Albert    202    2    0   
308    Don Cherry, Dewey Redman, Charlie Haden & Ed Blackwell - Old and New Dreams (ECM album)    202    2    0   
308    Ella Fitzgerald - Sings The Irving Berlin Songbook    202    2    0
308    Eric Dolphy - At The Five Spot Vol. 1    202    2    0   
308    Hank Mobley - A Caddy For Daddy    202    2    0   
308    Johnny Griffin - Introducing Johnny Griffin    202    2    0   
308    Sonny Rollins - G-Man    202    2    0   
315    McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy    201    2    0   
315    The Revolutionary Ensemble - The Revolutionary Ensemble    201    2    0
317    Bill Dixon Orchestra - Intents and Purposes    200    1    1  #1
317    George Lewis - Homage to Charles Parker    200    1    1   #1
319    Ornette Coleman - Chappaqua Suite    196    2    0   
320    Charles Mingus - Mingus At Carnegie Hall    195    2    0   
320    Roland Young - Isophonic Boogie Woogie    195    2    0   
320    William Parker & Hamid Drake - Piercing the Veil    195    2    0
323    Eddie Henderson - Inside Out    194    3    0   
323    Ornette Coleman - Dancing In Your Head    194    3    0   
325    Dexter Gordon - Our Man In Paris    192    2    0   
325    Donald Byrd - Electric byrd    192    2    0   
325    Wayne Shorter - Adam's Apple    192    2    0   
328    Cecil Taylor European Orchestra - Alms/Tiergarten (Spree)    192    0
328    Gil Evans - The Individualism of Gil Evans    192    1    0   
330    Matthew Shipp - Equilibrium    190    1    0   
330    Spontaneous Music Ensemble - Challenge    190    1    0   
332    Air - Air Lore    188    2    0   
332    Lee Konitz - Motion    188    2    0   
332    Sun Ra - Black Myth/Out In Space    188    2    0   
335    Patty Waters - Sings    187    2    0   
336    Henry Threadgill Very Very Circus - Too Much Sugar For a Dime    184    0
336    Pat Metheny/Ornette Coleman - Song X    184    2    0   
338    Amina Claudine Myers Trio - The Circle Of Time    184    1    0   
338    Evan Parker - 50th Birthday Concert    184    1    0   
340    Jon Hassell - Power Spot    183    2    0   
341    Mulatu Astatke - Mulatu of Ethiopia    182    2    0   
342    Bill Dixon - Vade Mecum    182    1    0   
342    Evan Parker - Chicago Solo    182    1    0   
342    Stanley Turrentine - Salt Song    182    1    0   
345    Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo    180    1    0   
346    John Zorn - The Big Gundown    178    2    0   
347    Flora Purim - Stories to Tell    178    1    0   
348    Alan Silva and the Celestrial Communication Orchestra - Seasons    176    0
349    Sonny Rollins - What's New?    172    1    0   
350    Sun Ra - Jazz in Silhouette    168    2    0   
351    Duke Ellington - Such Sweet Thunder    168    1    0   
352    Duke Ellington - Second Sacred Concert    166    1    0   
352    Tony Oxley Quintet - The Baptised Traveller    166    1    0   
354    Clifford Brown/Max Roach (verve, 1954)    165    2    0   
355    Weather Report - Weather Report    162    1    0   
356    Andrew Hill - Dance With Death    161    2    0   
357    Gil Evans - Plays the Music of Jimi Hendrix    159    2    0   
357    John McLaughlin - My Goal's Beyond    159    2    0   
359    Bill Dixon - 17 Musicians In Search Of A Sound: Darfur    158    1    0
360    Return to Forever - Musicmagic    152    1    0   
361    'Meshell Ndegeocello presents The Spirit Music Jamia - Dance of the Infidel    150    1    0   
362    Charles Tolliver with Music Inc. & Orchestra - Impact    149    2    0
363    Airto - Seeds on the Ground    148    1    0   
363    Ramsey Lewis - Funky Serenity    148    1    0   
365    Jack DeJohnette - Zebra    146    1    0   
366    Hermeto Pascoal - Slaves Mass    144    1    0   
367    Larry Young - Lawrence of Newark    142    2    0   
368    Joe Sample - Fancy Dance    142    1    0   
369    Duke Ellington - Anatomy of a Murder    141    2    0   
370    Björk Guðmundsdóttir & Tríó Guðmundar Ingólfssonar - Gling-Gló    140    0
371    McCoy Tyner - Sahara    138    2    0   
372    Alice Coltrane - Translinear Light    136    1    0   
373    Lester Bowie - The Great Pretender    134    1    0   
374    Patti Austin - Havana Candy    132    1    0   
375    Frank Zappa - Waka/Jawaka    131    2    0   
376    Milt Jackson - sunflower    124    1    0   
377    Joe Henderson - Our Thing    112    2    0   
378    Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath - Brotherhood of Breath    112    0
378    Don Cherry - Complete Communion    112    1    0   
380    Jimmy Smith - Back At The Chicken Shack    110    1    0   
380    Stanley Cowell - Regeneration    110    1    0   
382    Peter Brötzmann - Fuck De Boere    103    2    0   
383    Alice Coltrane - huntington ashram monastary    101    1    0   
383    Anthony Braxton - Creative Orchestra Music, 1976    101    1    0
383    Barbara Thompson's Paraphernalia - Live In Concert    101    1    0
383    Billie Holiday - Body & Soul    101    1    0   
383    Billie Holiday - Music For Torching    101    1    0   
383    Bud Powell -The Amazing Bud Powell Vols 1 and 2    101    1    0   
383    Charles Earland - Black Talk    101    1    0   
383    Charles Gayle - Touchin' on Trane    101    1    0   
383    Chico Hamilton Quintet - The Sweet Smell of Success    101    1    0
383    Circle - The Paris Concert    101    1    0   
383    Dewey Redman - The Ear of the Behearer    101    1    0   
383    Dexter Gordon - Go    101    1    0   
383    Donald Byrd - Byrd In Hand    101    1    0   
383    Donald Byrd - Chant    101    1    0   
383    Donald Byrd - Fuego    101    1    0   
383    Ella Fitzgerald - Sings The Duke Ellington Song Book    101    1    0
383    Ella Fitzgerald - Sings The Harold Arlen Songbook    101    1    0
383    Eric Dolphy - Far Cry    101    1    0   
383    Frank Sinatra - Sinatra at the Sands (w/Count Basie Orchestra)    101    0
383    George Shearing - The Way We Are    101    1    0   
383    Grant Green - Talkin' About    101    1    0   
383    Hank Mobley - A Slice Of The Top    101    1    0   
383    Hank Mobley - Dippin'    101    1    0   
383    Hank Mobley - No Room For Squares    101    1    0   
383    Hank Mobley - Peckin' Time    101    1    0   
383    Harriott/ Mayer -Indo-Jazz Fusion    101    1    0   
383    Henry Threadgill - X-75 Volume 1    101    1    0   
383    Henry Threadgill Sextet - Easily Slip Into Another World    101    0
383    Herbie Hancock - Speak Like A Child    101    1    0   
383    Herbie Mann - Live At The Whiskey A Go Go    101    1    0   
383    Jimmy & Wes - The Dynamic Duo    101    1    0   
383    Jimmy Smith - Crazy! Baby    101    1    0   
383    Jimmy Smith - The Cat    101    1    0   
383    Joseph Jarman - Black Paladins    101    1    0   
383    Julius Hemphill - Dogon A.D.    101    1    0   
383    Kenny Dorham - una Mas    101    1    0   
383    Kenyon Hopkins - The Hustler (OST)    101    1    0   
383    King Curtis - Live at Fillmore West    101    1    0   
383    Leith Stevens - Jazz Themes from 'The Wild One'    101    1    0   
383    Mike Westbrook - The Cortège    101    1    0   
383    paul chambers - bass on top    101    1    0   
383    Peter Herbolzheimer - Big Band Man: The MPS And Polydor Studio Recordings    101    1    0   
383    Rashied Ali - Duo Exchange    101    1    0   
383    Revolutionary Ensemble - Vietnam    101    1    0   
383    Roscoe Mitchell - Sound    101    1    0   
383    Sam Rivers - Contrasts    101    1    0   
383    Sam Rivers - Hues    101    1    0   
383    Skip Martin - Music from 'Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer'    101    0
383    Sonny Murray - Sonny's Time Now    101    1    0   
383    Sonny Rollins - Alfie    101    1    0   
383    Sonny Rollins - East Broadway Rundown    101    1    0   
383    Sonny Rollins - Freedom Suite    101    1    0   
383    Sonny Rollins - Next Album    101    1    0   
383    Tommy Flanagan - Jazz Poet    101    1    0   
383    Tommy Flanagan-Beyond the Bluebird    101    1    0  
 
438    Arve Henriksen - Chiaroscuro    100    1    0   
438    Billie Holiday - Songs For Distingue Lovers    100    1    0   
438    Charlie Haden - The Ballad Of The Fallen    100    1    0   
438    Eberhard Weber - The Colours of Chloë    100    1    0   
438    Eberhard Weber - Yellow Fields    100    1    0   
438    Kenny Dorham - Afro-Cuban    100    1    0   
438    Peter Brötzmann - Balls    100    1    0   
438    Tomasz Stanko Quartet - Suspended Night    100    1    0   
446    Jack DeJohnette with Michael Cain & Steve Gorn - Dancing with Nature Spirits    98    1    0   
447    Charles Mingus - Mingus Dynasty    96    1    0   
448    Sun Ra - Futuristic Sounds Of    95    2    0   
449    Alice Coltrane - A Monastic Trio    95    1    0   
449    Charles Tyler - Eastern Man Alone    95    1    0   
449    Eric Dolphy - Outward bound    95    1    0   
449    Gary Bartz - I've Known Rivers and Other Bodies    95    1    0   
449    Mike Westbrook Concert Band - Marching Song I+II    95    1    0
449    New York Art Quartet - s/t    95    1    0   
449    Sun Ra - Sound Of Joy    95    1    0   
456    Leon Thomas - The Leon Thomas Album    94    1    0   
457    Flora Purim - Encounter    92    1    0   
458    Barry Guy/Barre Phillips - Arcus    91    1    0   
458    Bobby Hutcherson - Happenings    91    1    0   
458    Bobby Hutcherson - The View from the Inside    91    1    0   
458    Duke Ellington & John Coltrane    91    1    0   
458    Frank Wright Trio    91    1    0   
458    Freddie Hubbard - The Body And The Soul    91    1    0   
458    Grachan Moncur III - Evolution    91    1    0   
458    Lee Morgan - Sonic boom    91    1    0   
458    Lee Morgan - Tom Cat    91    1    0   
458    Wayne Shorter - Et Cetera    91    1    0   
458    Wayne Shorter - Night Dreamer    91    1    0   
458    Wayne Shorter - The soothsayer    91    1    0   
470    Jimmy Scott - The Fabulous Songs of Jimmy Scott    88    1    0   
470    Victor Wooten - What Did He Say?    88    1    0   
472    Art Tatum-Group Masterpieces, Volume 2 (w/ Roy Eldridge)    87    0
472    Art Tatum-Group Masterpieces, Volume 8 (w/ Ben Webster)    87    1    0
472    Cecil Taylor - One Too Many Salty Swift And Not Goodbye    87    1    0
472    Cecil Taylor - Silent Tongues    87    1    0   
472    Cecil Taylor - Winged Serpent (Sliding Quadrants)    87    1    0
472    Duke Ellington - New Orleans Suite    87    1    0   
472    Horace Tapscott - The Dark Tree    87    1    0   
472    Julius Hemphill - Coon Bid’ness    87    1    0   
472    London Jazz Composers Orchestra - Ode    87    1    0   
472    McCoy Tyner - Enlightenment    87    1    0   
472    Milford Graves - Meditation Among Us    87    1    0   
483    Anthony Braxton - Eight (+3) Tristano Compositions 1989 - For Warne Marsh    83    1    0   
483    Anthony Braxton - Sexted (Istanbul) 1996    83    1    0   
483    Anthony Braxton - Willisau (Quartet) 1991    83    1    0   
483    Anthony Braxton/ Max Roach -One in Two/ Two in One    83    1    0
483    Derek Bailey/George Lewis/John Zorn - Yankees    83    1    0   
483    Electric Masada - At the Mountains of Madness    83    1    0   
483    Evan Parker Trio - Atlanta    83    1    0   
483    Evan Parker Trio - Breaths and Heartbeats    83    1    0   
483    Gregg Bendian's Interzone - Requiem for Jack Kirby    83    1    0
483    John McLaughlin - Devotion    83    1    0   
483    John Zorn - The Circle Maker    83    1    0   
483    Mark Dresser - Force Green    83    1    0   
483    Masada - Hei    83    1    0   
483    Oranj Symphonette - Plays Mancini    83    1    0   
483    Ornette Coleman - In All Languages    83    1    0   
483    Spring Heel Jack - Amassed    83    1    0   
483    Spring Heel Jack - Masses    83    1    0   
483    Tim Berne's Bloodcount - Unwound    83    1    0   
483    Tony Oxley - The Enchanted Messenger    83    1    0   
483    Vandermark 5 - Free Jazz Classics, Vols. 1 & 2    83    1    0   
483    Vandermark 5 - Free Jazz Classics, Vols. 3 & 4    83    1    0   
483    William Parker - In Order To Survive    83    1    0  
 
505    Sun Ra - Nuclear War    82    1    0   
506    George Russell Sextet - Ezz-thetics    78    1    0   
507    Bennie Maupin - The Jewel in the Lotus    76    1    0   
507    Bob Brookmeyer - New Works    76    1    0   
507    Bohren & der Club of Gore - Black Earth    76    1    0   
507    Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong - Ella & Louis Again    76    0
507    Gil Evans - Gil Evans & Ten    76    1    0   
507    Gil Evans - Live at Sweet Basil    76    1    0   
507    Gil Evans - Svengali    76    1    0   
507    Kenny Burrell - Guitar Forms    76    1    0   
507    Thelonious Monk Plays Duke Ellington    76    1    0   
507    Weather Report - Live in Toyko    76    1    0   
517    Roland Kirk - Please Don't You Cry, Beutiful Edith    68    1    0
518    The Freedom Sounds featuring Wayne Henderson - People Get Ready    64    0
519    Jamaaladeen Tacuma - Renaissance Man    62    1    0   
520    Andrew hill - Passing Ships    61    1    0   
520    Don Patterson - The Exciting New Organ of Don Patterson    61    1    0
520    Gene Ammons - Golden Saxophone    61    1    0   
520    Jack McDuff - Tough 'Duff    61    1    0   
520    Jackie McLean - Bluesnik    61    1    0   
520    Jackie McLean - Right Now    61    1    0   
520    Jimmy McGriff - The Worm    61    1    0   
520    Joe Henderson - Four    61    1    0   
520    Joe Henderson - Mode For Joe    61    1    0   
520    Joe Henderson - power To The people    61    1    0   
520    Joe Henderson - Straight No Chaser    61    1    0   
520    Joe Henderson - The Kicker    61    1    0   
532    Idris Muhammad - Kabsha    54    1    0   
533    Dizzy Gillespie - New Wave    40    1    0   
534    Dizzy Gillespie - Something Old, Something New    38    1    0   
535    Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Bap-Tizum    32    1    0   
536    Sun Ra - Visits Planet Earth    22    1    0   
537    Thad Jones - The Magnificent Thad Jones    8    1    0   
538    Sonny Stitt/Gene Ammons - Boss Tenors    4    1    0   

I don't know if seandalai has a spreadsheet link for future reference so I'm posting this all here. Sorry there's no formatting so hope its legible.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link

Also, I never noticed before that Pharoah is wearing the same hat on Black Unity as he is wearing on Thembi.

holy shit xp

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link

264 Charles Mingus - At Antibes 332 2 0

ooh man this this this

D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link

big albums i expected to go top 100 just missed out.

Maybe if I had done a top 300 people would have been happier?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

apparently they are also called ushanka

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, that's the one! Wonder who wore it first?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:27 (twelve years ago) link

Nice results. I'm a little surprised I'm the only one to vote Black Saint #1 though. I own pretty much everything Mingus ever did mainly because I was hoping he'd matched that album. He had a lot of great albums, but nothing quite so intense. Also, the only jazz album to soundtrack my dreams.

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link

Damn, the fur production for those hats sounds horribly grizzly and not really very spiritual at all.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

Poll of SPIRITUAL HATS

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

Spotify Playlist

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

thanks for the poll, Armand! (I know you're former ILX poster ____ but not sure who)
this poll has given me a loooooooooong list of stuff i'm dying to hear

In the long run, we will all be cyberpunks (Z S), Saturday, 3 September 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, lots of homework.

Any chance you could post the list of songs on the Spotify playlist (one song per album right?) for those of us (lolCanadians) who can't see it? Song by song will be a lot faster/easier than album by album.

Thanks for this.

misty sensorium (Plasmon), Saturday, 3 September 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link

I learned that nobody likes jazz vocalists but me :(

and you said you were a vibraphone guy too, right? have you heard http://jazzbluesclub.com/uploads/posts/thumbs/1253951116_timefortwo.jpg

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 3 September 2011 06:32 (twelve years ago) link

Sadly missed most of the countdown, now realise what huge gaps I have in my jazz knowledge. Will be hammering spotify over the next few months.

Only one album whose placing has me shocked, '297 Keith Jarrett - The Köln Concert 253 2 0', I expected this to be a top 30 placing easily.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Saturday, 3 September 2011 08:43 (twelve years ago) link

plenty of things I thought would place but not everything can place.

Any chance you could post the list of songs on the Spotify playlist (one song per album right?) for those of us (lolCanadians) who can't see it? Song by song will be a lot faster/easier than album by album.

Thanks for this.

― misty sensorium (Plasmon),

There's no way to c&p anything like that over, sorry. It's mostly the full albums on the list (except some albums dont have songs available for some reason)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:18 (twelve years ago) link

The only real surprises for me were the low placings of Brown/Roach records, and Braxton's Creative Orchestra Music 1976 not placing in the top 250. It was a relatively big record when it was released (topped Down Beat's 1977 critics poll); but then, it's been out of print pretty much from the late 70s until the expensive Mosaic set came out a couple years ago.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

And thanks for posting the Spotify list! Currently listening to Grant Green's take on George Russell's "Ezz-Thetic", gonna dig into Herbie soon (never heard any of his records as a leader).

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

but remember it's an ILM poll not a Downbeat poll. As I said on the other thread, people should have campaigned for albums.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

I know, I don't think I campaigned for anything. I think a lot of it has to do with visibility, too; if a record's out of print for x number of years/decades, its hearers are necessarily going to be fewer than those of consistently-in-print records.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:51 (twelve years ago) link

i campaigned for Soul Station and Cool Struttin' and posted spotify links to the albums and it seemed to work. Same with the links to 50 Trane, I had feared earlier Miles & Trane would suffer, but thankfully not!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

It can work both ways tarfumes, sometimes oop albums get a mythology of their own.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

True, hence the placing of Babi (among others).

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, i downloaded that one. A friend of mine in poland digs that lp so much.(he owns it) he used to post on here when he lived in the usa/canada but sadly is a poll hater.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

This may be discussed elsewhere on the thread, but with all that Miles I'm kinda surprised by no Elevator to the Gallows.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 3 September 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

True, hence the placing of Babi (among others).

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, September 3, 2011 8:53 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

or the trane & monk record that was only released a couple yrs ago

D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

the trane and monk record that placed came out in 1961

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 September 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

N/M just saw the quartet one

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 September 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

just ordered that blue note book. my folks have amazon prime trial so will get it monday it says. might order a couple of cd's too as there's a few good cheap ones. Hardly bought a thing for months.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link

Now what to buy? Gonna order something that isnt actually in the poll but wanted to get for ages and now I am going to.
All this stuff on Spotify has made me lazy about buying, and I've decided that since 99% of my jazz collection is on CD im just going to keep buying jazz on cd instead of vinyl as it's too expensive and amazon has cd's for 4 or 5 quid.

Obv got a fair bit of these albums on CD but gonna get a few i dont have already. Bizarrely im lacking in most coltrane but id like to get the rest of the Impulse cds first, anyone know if there's a Coltrane impulse box?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

if not im just gonna look out for cheap coltrane impulse cds.Dont need any miles (apart from a few box sets) as i have that giant 70cd box from a year or 2 back.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

This poll got me to order Money Jungle, The Far-East Suite, a Dave Brubeck Quartet three-album set (fuck the haters, this was an awesome band with an unique sound), and The Betty Carter Album (wasn't familiar with her, but Deej's and Shakey's posts certainly got me interested) from Amazon, so it's certainly been a good way of introducing new stuff to me. Thanks Kerr & Sean!

Tuomas, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

There is a Coltrane Impulse box, his "complete" quartet recordings -- and just the quartet. So, no Africa/Brass, no Ascension, no Meditations, none of the records with his 66-67 quintet, no 1961 Vanguard (Dolphy was in that group), no Interstellar Space, and none of the previously-unreleased quartet recordings that came to light after the "complete" box was issued.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

Might have a look for that if its not too expensive and if its cheaper than buying stuff together.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

Better than that though is the Coltrane On Impulse sets that they've been putting out. Five albums in each volume with the superior Japanese remasters, no extras, no alternates. The first three volumes are everything released in his lifetime; volumes 4 & 5 will be out in the next couple of months and start collecting the posthumous releases. The first 3 sets are cheap - around $35 or so. 4 & 5 look to be around $60 each - I think the demand is less, and the print runs will be smaller.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

a Dave Brubeck Quartet three-album set (fuck the haters, this was an awesome band with an unique sound)

imo paul desmond >>> dave brubeck, and a more defining element to the group's sound. you might want to pursue some of his stuff

D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

I think they're actually called John Coltrane: The Impulse Albums Volume _. As much as I like some of the alternates on the special edition single sets (like The Complete Africa/Brass) I find that I greatly prefer the albums as intended when possible. I even took the time to separate the Atlantic boxsets for Coltrane, Coleman & Mingus into the intended albums when I ripped them into itunes.

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EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

xp to myself although obv desmond was linked to p much the best brubeck stuff

D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

I agree that Desmond was the real star of the group, but the rest of them were suberb and tight players too, at least during the Morello/Wright era. That said, I'm not familiar with Desmond's solo career, what would be a good place to start?

Tuomas, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

his record w/ don elliot is cool, no piano

D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

im actually no clear on the consensus records for him though tbh -- i know his stuff w/ jim hall is good tho

D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

ooh i forgot this one is great for sure
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51f3JKtxxDL._SS500_.jpg

D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

ouch too spendy
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Classic-Quartet-Complete-Impulse-Studio-Recordings/dp/B00000DHZ9/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1315074435&sr=1-2

same goes for complete heavyweight (if i had £150 it would be worth it though)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

Kerr, have a look at the Impulse Albums boxes that EZ mentioned. Cheap-ish from Play.com but delivery is a bit slow:

http://www.play.com/Search.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchstring=Coltrane+Impulse!+Albums

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

yeah im going to! cheers

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

bit too expensive just now but i can wait until they all come down to £20 each then i might consider it.
i would like to buy Om though and Ascension. Would prefer to get separate albums though unless that major works of cd set is better? Anyone know?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

Found major works of 2xcd in the usa for £11 inc postage. Unless its a shoddy mastering i think i might take that.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

It's definitely very well mastered. I'm actually listening to "Om" from it right now. I love this whole set completely, a major turning point in my listening.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

That was how I was introduced to that work back in '92. The mastering is fine, but not outstanding. I think you'll be good to go with that until you decide you want the individual remasters. It's essential music regardless of how it's presented.

I had no idea the Impulse boxes were so expensive overseas. As I said, before the fourth one I never paid more than $35. I've pre-ordered the 4th box (out next week!) and it was tough forking out $20 more. I wouldn't have paid $70 bucks for them, that's for sure.

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EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

ive been meaning to buy major works for 15 years! but because I had om and ascension on a copied tape i never bothered parting with the cash and bought stuff i didn't have then along came p2p and y'know. Would have picked it up in a shop but none of them ever had them when i looked. But im gonna get it. Cheaper than the individual albums and i can always pick them up one by one if i ever see them cheap.

haha fuck me
this settles it http://www.amazon.co.uk/Om-20Bit-John-Coltrane/dp/B0000562N6/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1315077749&sr=1-1

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

Also, Major Works has both takes of Ascension (though for some reason, Edition II is the first take, and Edition I is the second).

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

ordered

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

"Edition I" was the first version released; "Edition II" replaced it shortly thereafter because Coltrane decided he preferred it.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

I hope you like it. Pretty life changing thing for me when I first heard it.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

oh i know these albums well , as i said i had copies for years. It just took me this long to finally own them.

blame bobby gillespie for me liking om. Hearing an interview on radio scotland with him about Om and it playing in the background turned me on to it and i had already got ascension from the library. Wish i could have bought the cds/lps i ordered in to the library as they probably sat in the stores for years and if they haven't been sold off they're prob in a dusty storeroom.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

3 mingus albums in a 2xCD set for £3.93. Bit of a bargain guys

In many people's eyes, Mingus merited the title of genius, his writing for both small and large ensembles being compared to that of Duke Ellington - the ultimate accoloade. His bass playing, honed in the company of major players like Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie was out of the top drawer. On this release we bring together three of Mingus' albums, two of which are regarded as modern jazz classics: 'Mingus Ah Um' and 'The Clown', as well as the relatively neglected 'Pithecanthropus Erectus', which even all these years down the line is worthy of re-appraisal.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

bought Mwandishi forgot i hadnt bought that (yes another i had a copy off in the 90s from the library so never got round to buying despite having crossings and sextant and all the funky albums from that era).

Ordered a bunch of Coltrane cds cheap from ebay. Spent about £20 in all + the £10 for major worksof Damn that idiot who came up with the idea of a jazz poll.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link

I wonder how many ilxor will buy from this poll (assuming he still is interested in jazz)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 3 September 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone who has the blue note covers book how is it?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

just ordered just ordered The Complete Africa / Brass Sessions for £9 on amazon.co.uk im skint now but im sure it's worth it

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link

Totally worth it for three versions of "Africa", let alone all the other songs (two versions of "Greensleeves", "Song of the Underground Railroad", "Blues Minor - all amazing). Probably my favorite Coltrane studio recordings (The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings I rank above all else. I love the open interplay of Dolphy & Coltrane and wish they had decades to work together).

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 September 2011 02:03 (twelve years ago) link

those impulse coltrane boxes w/ the original albums are great -- much better imo than listening to the chronological classic quintet box (which is good too, but...). It made me appreciate how those albums were put together -- very nice flow and sequencing for the most part.

& i agree w/ EZ the complete village vanguard is a thing of beauty -- the versions of "spritual" on there are monumental, incomparable. same goes for "india".

tylerw, Sunday, 4 September 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link

"Live" At The Village Vanguard was my first Coltrane, and I listened to my dubbed copy so much that I could probably hum the entire record from memory. I'd never heard -- or heard of -- Eric Dolphy before, and his solo on "Spiritual" knocked me for a loop from which I have yet to recover (some 20 years on).

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 4 September 2011 04:25 (twelve years ago) link

I have a great memory of coming to my parents house with two really good college friends, getting extremely high out back and then coming in and listening to the Village Vanguard boxed set for the first time (I had probably just gotten it as a gift). Just thinking about it made me want to put it on -- only have disc 3 for some reason on my itunes. But man, the way they just hit right off with Chasin The Trane. An opener blues could be such a throwaway but the way they play it they're such a force.

Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Sunday, 4 September 2011 04:42 (twelve years ago) link

Really enjoying reading these poll threads even tho I haven't voted in any yet & probably won't...well done everybody!

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 4 September 2011 07:01 (twelve years ago) link

cheers glad you enjoyed it. Did you discover anything new?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 10:50 (twelve years ago) link

I've never heard this John Coltrane 5 star album http://allmusic.com/album/the-cats-r165664/review
Anyone heard it?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

I heard it back when I used to own the Complete Prestige set. Don't recall it as hugely better than any of the other Prestige works; but then again, I sold the set because I realized I have little use for Coltrane's pre-Atlantic recordings (the Monk works excepted).

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 September 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

see that herbie hancock live bootlegs blog link that was posted? Just thought you all might like to know that rapidshare has no limits now. So just wire in
http://neverenoughrhodes.blogspot.com/2008/05/never-enough-live-herbie-hancock.html

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

Although I didn't consider myself well-versed enough in jazz to vote in this poll, a big thanks to all that did since I've been looking to expand my collection and even amongst the top 20 finishers there are several I've never heard. Lots of essential stuff to seek out.

That said, I'm disappointed that the Groove Collective (Spotify link) didn't place....

Lee547 (Lee626), Sunday, 4 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

the real question is did anyone buy a spiritual hat because of the poll?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link

not yet. but you never know what will happen once i get back into my normal routine.

mark e, Sunday, 4 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

the real question is did anyone buy a spiritual hat because of the poll?

I think my halo is sufficient.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 4 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

I've never heard this John Coltrane 5 star album http://allmusic.com/album/the-cats-r165664/review
Anyone heard it?

i've got it as part of the side steps prestige box set, i think. probably one of the least essential coltrane-related records ... but! i said it on other threads, but I think that period is worth hearing -- especially the red garland records that trane is on. maybe coltrane at his most relaxed?

tylerw, Sunday, 4 September 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

i didn't purchase any new spiritual hats, but i did retrieve some from the closet for future wearing. as it appears, i have a lot of hats.
i also made two non-jazz-listening friends listen to IaSW last night and they liked it.

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Sunday, 4 September 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

and did they wear spiritual hats or feel the urge to go buy any?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

going over this thread and listening to nothing but jazz in the last couple days - I've realized I have very little understanding/conception of the jazz audience of the 60s. I kind of assume jazz reached its commercial/popular peak much earlier (I know Miles' best-selling albums were in the 60s, but the ubiquity of jazz as a dominant style seems undeniable for earlier eras like the 20s-40s than it does for the 60s, what with r'n'r in the picture), but as a genre the general consensus represented here is that the aesthetic/artistic peak was in the late 50s through the 60s. This is when a lot of the essential ingredients of jazz - swing, improvisation, acoustic ensemble playing - became really intensely refined. But exactly how popular was, say, a giant like John Coltrane...? I have no idea. And who bought these records? Middle-class black people, white "intellectuals"...? I can't really see Hank Mobley and Grant Green appealling much to teenagers, the whole Blue Note vibe is one of adult sophistication, for example.

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier),

my fave post on the thread. Did we ever agree on an answer?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

they had a huge collegiate audience

D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

although college then was more exclusive iirc

D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link

rich & privileged you mean?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link

maiden voyage=sailboat jazz obv

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

really digging the Lovin' Spoonful's brand of jazz on the Spotify list

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link

huh?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link

are they on a soundtrack album by someone?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link

ahh blow-up soundtrack

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link

one of the herbie's ive not heard. is it any cop?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

sam never did come back to this thread did he? :(

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

Deej - as someone who just generally observes this shit, i'd like to say that i wish you would vote in more of these polls

Number None, Monday, 5 September 2011 03:31 (twelve years ago) link

never have checked out alice coltrane before. am diggin this mystical ~journey atm

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 September 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link

:D

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 5 September 2011 04:43 (twelve years ago) link

Which one are you listening to? "Journey in Satchidananda"?

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 5 September 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link

Didn’t vote in this because, sadly, I didn’t have the time (a hundred albums? Takes time, you know), and I do feel a bit rueful about not voting, especially seeing Escalator just missing the 250 cut, but I have thoroughly enjoyed the countdown, the hilarious chat and in particular the repositioning of Grant Green at the centre of jazz history.

Given that, due to the voting demographic, the list was inevitably almost all-American, I wonder whether there’s a case for doing a “Rest of the World” poll, getting in everyone from Lars Gullin to the Necks.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 5 September 2011 08:14 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone who has the blue note covers book how is it?

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 02:15 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

just ordered just ordered The Complete Africa / Brass Sessions for £9 on amazon.co.uk im skint now but im sure it's worth it

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 4 September 2011 02:53 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink


these are both vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv. much worth it! i love them both like children. (africa brass is most prob. the jazz record i listen to most, so...)

annoyed real mccoy never made it but otoh great poll! ty sean and kerr. it has already made me buy 2 records and 1 book and make a large grunting noise at how shit my local hmv jazz section is. i'm sure over the coming months i'll be coming back here for buying recommendations.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 09:08 (twelve years ago) link

new favorite jam thanks to this poll: Donald Byrd's Cristo Redentor. Been meaning to check out that album for awhile so i guess it was inevitable. Also a new fan of Electric Byrd and some Mingus stuff, so thanks dudes.

also need to see what Archie Schepp is all about. Major blind spot.

Cosmo Vitelli, Monday, 5 September 2011 10:09 (twelve years ago) link

oh and kinda surprised not a single vote for Fat Albert Rotunda.

Cosmo Vitelli, Monday, 5 September 2011 10:12 (twelve years ago) link

uh Shepp xp

Cosmo Vitelli, Monday, 5 September 2011 10:15 (twelve years ago) link

yeah please do check out Archie Shepp

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 11:57 (twelve years ago) link

marcello do you approve of any high placings or discover anything you haven't heard? Glad you enjoyed the poll. Wish you had voted.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 13:19 (twelve years ago) link

is cosmo marcello? wow i am behind in figuring out new usernames.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 13:28 (twelve years ago) link

Marcello posted before Cosmo, that's what Kerr is referring to.

Tuomas, Monday, 5 September 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link

oh, lol bookmarks

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 13:36 (twelve years ago) link

hah

i want my bluenote book. home delivery network are delivering it and some of my cds. hope this free amazon prime trial is worth it!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

one of the herbie's ive not heard. is it any cop?

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, September 4, 2011 7:01 PM (Yesterday)

I liked it more than I thought I would. I'm not a huge fan of Hancock as leader, but I liked this and was very surprised how much I liked Mwandishi.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Monday, 5 September 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

i love herbie as a leader but the blow-up soundtrack ive never bothered to check out. How does it compare to his other albums of the 60s?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

Which one are you listening to? "Journey in Satchidananda"?

yep. 'Universal Consciousness' is too manic for me (apart from "Sita Ram")

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 September 2011 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

this poll has really reawakened my jazz love, which has been dormant for 10 years or so. have hardly listened to any, and stopped searching out for new discoveries. the spotify list is awesome to do exactly that, ty!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 September 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

got Straight, No Chaser from the library- everything else they had was just comps and katie melua boo.

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

Granny Dainger, you should really give Ptah, the El Daoud a go if you dug Journey.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

are there harps?!!?? i would so have a harp if it wasn't so bulky.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

Yes. :D

I would gladly embrace a harp in my life. Have always wanted to start a gay harp punk band.

The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

Blue Note book and 5 cds came just now. woohoo

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

Sam have a look on amazon, there's tons of albums from this list £5 or under. I bought a bunch of cd's for £3.99 each.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

Blue Note cd's under £5 ignore the norah jones etc though obviously

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

i will, in good time

Jay-Z ft. Kanye 'Big Hat Club (Spiritual Big Hat Club Jazz Remix)' (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 September 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

haha the first few pages have used the word 'hipster' 3 times already and 'preppy' and 'ivy league' in the blue note book. I think this answers shakey's question from earlier

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

it's weird how many covers have the artists smoking ciggies on them. Never really noticed it until now.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

thank you Armand for doing this, beautiful list. great work everyone.

I hoped Dancing In Your Head would get more support. And I always thought Genius of Modern Music is the greatest Monk album(s). Did it lose points for being a compilation (is it?) or do you guys simply don't think it's as essential as Hot Fives and Hot Sevens?

gospodin simmel, Monday, 5 September 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link

cheers, glad you enjoyed it, but please don't forget seandalai did the hard work.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 5 September 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

right. seems like seandalai is what makes ilm going. great job

gospodin simmel, Monday, 5 September 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link

he did a great job

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link

amazon only have one of the blue note covers books left in stock. If you want one order now.
Still waiting on the rest of my order arriving.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 14:27 (twelve years ago) link

lol we sold it out?

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

So far this poll has resulted in me buying...

Criss-Cross
Milestones
Attica Blues
Brown Rice
Coltrane Live at Birdland
Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata
Destination Out

...plus an Impulse! t-shirt. I'd forgotten just how cheap jazz CDs could be, clearly.

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

Attica Blues is such a bizarre record, even for Shepp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link

'milestones' is underrated in the miles canon imo

D-40, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

ive bookmarked another dozen cds on amazon at £3.99 . hope they dont sell out before i can afford them next month. I'm sure they said there was 9 bluenote books left when i ordered so did you all order it? We must really have a crazy amount of lurkers. play.com are now sold out too it says.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, mildly -- obv a lot of people think its classic

D-40, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah Attica Blues was the only one of my purchases I'd already heard (I voted for it too), I just realised I could really do with owning a copy (xp).

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

the blazing funk-pop opening track, the narrations from William Kunstler, some strings + warbling, oh look here's a little kid singing

xp

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

did we ever determine who appeared on the most placing albums without placing an album of their own...? (Ron Carter?)

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

gavin, thats the same with all the cd's i bought. I needed to finally own them

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

did we ever determine who appeared on the most placing albums without placing an album of their own...? (Ron Carter?)

― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier),

i dont think we did

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 17:29 (twelve years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zLI1BYoUL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

^ is this in yr book?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

Hot Rollins on Rollins action.

Neil S, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

I'm a little surprised that Rollins didn't pick any Cecil.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

Hank on Hank

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

haha

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 07:23 (twelve years ago) link

I had a list of over a dozen top 100 entries I didn't have and Amoeba surprisingly had only a couple of them. I got lucky at Rasputin in Berkeley though, and listened to some of these while driving to wine country and then today in Santa Cruz, but not whole albums as my friends aren't big jazz fans.

17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin'
23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out
28 Joe Henderson - Page One
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 08:10 (twelve years ago) link

all awesome albums, think you will enjoy them all.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 11:49 (twelve years ago) link

I had a list of over a dozen top 100 entries I didn't have and Amoeba surprisingly had only a couple of them. I got lucky at Rasputin in Berkeley though

a lot of canonical jazz stuff is hard to find physical copies of - at least ime

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

You guys need to buy from amazon or get a Fopp like chain. (Tho Fopp is shit now for Jazz cds, 10 years ago it was awesome. Rows and rows of jazz cds under a fiver. )

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

www.dustygroove.com is a good place for cheapish jazz CDs (and some pricey LPs if that's your thing).

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

my store!
also jazz record mart http://jazzmart.com/

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

(not mine as in i own it or work there, just that i like to go there)

i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

you own it and are loaded, admit it!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

how cheap is amazon.com compared to amazon.co.uk ?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

pretty cheap if you order from 3rd party sellers. I've recently bought these new:
Page One $2.85
Mwandishi $5
Brilliant Corners and Monk's Dream $7 each

(wasn't familiar with Page One, the rest I was but want hard copies)

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

oh man you got a bargain for page one.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

just got a £3.75 refund from paypal for a coltrane cd i bought on ebay, but no email or anything from ebay. but i assume it's not a mistake or cancelled,but i dont want to buy it off another seller until i have proper confirmation.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

speaking of jazz dealzz http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LR5JZO
i just ordered this, the complete miles/coltrane columbia box for $20.
i have most of it already (don't have jazz at the plaza), but i am a sucker!

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

i ordered another cd from the same seller at the same time so i hope that doesn't get cancelled too

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

tyler did you get your free mp3 too? :)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

i did, yes. just suckering me into buying more things ...

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

i dont think i've ever had a free mp3 from amazon. Anyone ever got that from amazon uk?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

I've been buying a bunch of stuff cos of this thread too, mostly whatever Blue Note stuff that I hadn't heard that I can pick-up cheaply. Enjoyed Page One a lot on the one listen so far, mostly for some of the lovely purplish hues that McCoy's playing brings to the music. Which was a nice surprise anyhow cos he's not given a credit on the front cover (sleeve notes say 'contractual reasons').

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

i really need to read sleevenotes more often, haha

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link

Just picked up vol. 4 of the Coltrane impulse reissues. All I can do is look at it - the movers took away all my cd playing devices this morning. It'll just be staring at me for weeks, taunting and mocking me.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 8 September 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

speaking of jazz dealzz http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LR5JZO
i just ordered this, the complete miles/coltrane columbia box for $20.
i have most of it already (don't have jazz at the plaza), but i am a sucker!

― tylerw

xposts: this sucker paid $120 for it back when it came out. you gots the deal o' the day tylerw! it sounds sublime. enjoy!

quaff the spud you warbling milkbag (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 8 September 2011 00:44 (twelve years ago) link

Jazz album covers circa 1955-1965 so much cooler than pop/rock albums covers of that era

Lee547 (Lee626), Thursday, 8 September 2011 04:45 (twelve years ago) link

poll?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:17 (twelve years ago) link

today i received my john coltrane Blue Train cd which has a bonus cd of 2 other albums 'dakar' and 'traineing in' which I got for £3.19 ppd (and its brand new and sealed not 2nd hand) on ebay .
Are those 2 extra albums any cop? i think its a bit of a bargain.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

Just picked up vol. 4 of the Coltrane impulse reissues.
definitely want to get the rest of these (just have the first two). why are the new ones so much $$$? first two were a bit of a steal.

tylerw, Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

New ones are Hip-O Select. I'm guessing they're printing way fewer because these are primarily the "way out" stuff, and thus are charging through the teeth. Vol. 5 has Live in Japan, which is part of its price bump over and above Vol. 4.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

curses!

tylerw, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

But you said you haven't bought Vol. 3 yet. That one's cheap! And packed with awesome!

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

not so cheap over here

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 8 September 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder if the jazz listening club impacted on the results here. Maybe it was a success after all. Dunno if it would be worth starting up again however.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 8 September 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

obv not :)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 05:47 (twelve years ago) link

Coltrane on Impulse vol 4 does look great:

Expression
Live at the Village Vanguard Again!
Om
Cosmic Music (with Alice Coltrane)
Selflessness featuring My Favorite Things

Already have Expression and I've got LATVVA on vinyl, but haven't heard any of those last three. All pretty hard to come by on CD I should imagine. Any idea what'll be on 5?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 9 September 2011 08:12 (twelve years ago) link

I just got Money Jungle in the mail, so far I'm liking it a lot. I love how minimalist and punctuated by empty spaces Ellington's playing is. (Though I do wonder if it was merely an aesthetic choice, or whether his advanced age forced him to play that way, not being able to play that fast anymore?) Also, Roach's showcase tune ("A Little Max") is hella groovy, good thing they found it in the Blue Note vaults, since it wasn't on the original album. I love it when bebop drummers who were mostly delegated to cymbal tapping get to show off like that.

Tuomas, Friday, 9 September 2011 08:29 (twelve years ago) link

if i had lots of money i would certainly have bought those impulse sets. As i said on the FOPP thread, i wish they were still good for jazz like they used to be. Terrible now.
But since a bunch of classic Blue Note is £3.99 on amazon it's not so bad. Got a big list bookmarked and ready to buy from once i can afford more.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 10:03 (twelve years ago) link

I may have said this on other jazz threads, but my almost purely classical-loving dad was really into money jungle when I played it for him.

Jews Did Irene (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 September 2011 11:07 (twelve years ago) link

Coltrane on Impulse Vol. 5:

Live In Seattle
Sun Ship
Transition
Infinity
Coltrane In Japan

EZ Snappin, Friday, 9 September 2011 11:30 (twelve years ago) link

but you can't listen to it to tell us how they sound?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 12:24 (twelve years ago) link

Not out yet. I can't listen to Volume 4 for several more weeks.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 9 September 2011 13:33 (twelve years ago) link

I may have said this on other jazz threads, but my almost purely classical-loving dad was really into money jungle when I played it for him

You did say this on the Money Jungle thread, but it bears repeating.

I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 September 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link

I just got Money Jungle in the mail, so far I'm liking it a lot. I love how minimalist and punctuated by empty spaces Ellington's playing is. (Though I do wonder if it was merely an aesthetic choice, or whether his advanced age forced him to play that way, not being able to play that fast anymore?) Also, Roach's showcase tune ("A Little Max") is hella groovy, good thing they found it in the Blue Note vaults, since it wasn't on the original album. I love it when bebop drummers who were mostly delegated to cymbal tapping get to show off like that.

― Tuomas, Friday, September 9, 2011 3:29 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he wasnt that advanced in age, and its definitely a conscious aesthetic choice -- his chops werent hurt by age & tbh he was never really a speedy player anyway? he was known for overall conceptual choices & musical ones not technique or something

D-40, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link

interesting, the classical connection w/ money ungle. a little while ago, richard brody (film ed. for new yorker) wrote:" Money Jungle, the one jazz record that gives me the same feelings as when I listen to Beethoven's late quartets."
anyway, yeah, ellington was not like a virtuoso pianist (at least compared to say, art tatum), and it served him well -- he was able to adjust his style for all kinds of recording situations, from Money Jungle to the COltrane record to his own stuff.

tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

ellington was not like a virtuoso pianist

if jazz ever gets hip to indiekids then duke ellington will be their main mann.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

Anatomy of a Murder score is another good later-period Duke imo

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 9 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

Transition
Infinity

Never heard either of these and tend to get the posthumous muddled but is Infinity the one with the overdubbed strings or something?

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 9 September 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

yeah infinity is the one alice overdubbed strings/organ/etc on. it's cool.

tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

Hmmm, that seems to be the expensive one to buy separately. £69 on Amazon here wah!

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Friday, 9 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

wow that's a bit expensive

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

is it a japanese reissue?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link

Transition
Infinity

Never heard either of these and tend to get the posthumous muddled but is Infinity the one with the overdubbed strings or something?

Transition is amazing, one of the better quartet dates, nearly as intense as Sun Ship.

For those on the fence about the Impulse Vol. 5 set, the 2CD Live In Seattle and the monstrous(ly brilliant) 4CD Live In Japan are essential, and aren't as well served by the original LP formations as some of the other Impulse dates are.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 September 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

so so expensive

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

I saw a few copies of The Classic Quartet: Complete Impulse! Studio Recordings at Rasputin for around $40. Also on Amazon. I think from 1998, should sound fine.

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 9 September 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

not heard the 4cd live in japan i dont think. I have olatunji on cd

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 9 September 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

no cds in mail today :(

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 10 September 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

btw who is volunteering to run the pre-1945 Jazz Tracks poll?
EZ Snappin it was your idea so you want to run it?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 10 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

Why does it have to be pre-1945 jazz tracks? Couldn't we just a have a greatest jazz tracks of all time poll?

Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

then 1945 would get shafted as everyone votes for post 45 stuff? the reason the pre 45 tracks poll was mooted was because it wasn't an album era so was losing out in an albums poll.

But if you want to run an all-time tracks poll go for it.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not going to be able to run anything for a few months, but if people want to wait and abide by whatever arcane rules I come up with then I could do it eventually. It would be pre-45 tracks only.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link

IMO having a tracks poll would make sure pre-1945 stuff gets its due. It was obviously shafted here because there weren't albums then, but why would it get shafted in a tracks poll?

Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

Because we're all younger than 70.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

With every other genre poll there's been one for albums and one for tracks. It'd be sad if with this one there'd be no "greatest tracks of all time" poll.

Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

Because we're all younger than 70.

What does that have to do with anything? I could easily name 20 or 30 pre-1945 tracks I could vote for in an all-time tracks poll.

Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

Your experience and ability is not universal, Tuomas! Jesus!

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, but any ILX poll will obviously reflect the taste of the people who post here, which is not universal. Why should we limit a tracks poll because of that?

Tuomas, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link

feeling such love for Tuomas and his arguing ways right now

state your case big man, do the thing

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

jazz rock will maybe dominate, tuomas. All that miles & herbie and maybe spiritual hat jazz that will annoy deej

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 10 September 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link

so yeah you might have a point..

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

i'm listening to 'karma' for the first time....

mind = blown

seasoning sauce all over me (tpp), Sunday, 11 September 2011 12:31 (twelve years ago) link

A common reaction

Number None, Sunday, 11 September 2011 12:39 (twelve years ago) link

i just did all my laundry and hung it up then sat down with it playing with the sun streaming in through the windows and fuck me it feels truly spiritual

seasoning sauce all over me (tpp), Sunday, 11 September 2011 12:43 (twelve years ago) link

That is so wonderful.

some lady (La Lechera), Sunday, 11 September 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link

Thread creator had a master plan

Agent Double O POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 September 2011 15:01 (twelve years ago) link

Because we're all younger than 70.

― Halal Spaceboy

xpost: i get this argument from people at work that know absolutely nothing about music from before they were born. it's as if they believe the world was waiting for them to be born before good music could be made. i don't get it and i guess they just don't care

quaff the spud you warbling milkbag (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 11 September 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

Rock Hardy does not care about old jazz people.

Agent Double O POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 September 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think William meant it like that, but it's pretty fair to say that most people don't know the pre 45 jazz as well as the post 45. And one of the reasons for that is because you don't really hear that stuff now unless you listen to radio for people over 70! Or you were one of those over 70s who were around when that music was the music everyone listened to.

The whole point of the proposed pre-45 tracks poll is because jazz was about tracks back then, and those of us who know little will check out youtubes and spotify's of nominated tracks ,the same way everyone did with the 50s poll, and learn about it and vote.
If you do an alltime poll then that probably wont happen so much and everyone will just vote for tracks off the albums that made this album poll.

That is why I think ez snappin's suggestion is better than the one Tuomas has asked for.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 11 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

So does ez snappin do a pre-45 tracks poll or tuomas do an all-time tracks poll?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 12 September 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link

Because we're all younger than 70.

What does that have to do with anything? I could easily name 20 or 30 pre-1945 tracks I could vote for in an all-time tracks poll.

― Tuomas, Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:47 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Your experience and ability is not universal, Tuomas! Jesus!

― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:48 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i wish i knew ANYTHING about pre-45 but i'm not sure i could name 10 records let alone pick out some to vote for.

this weekend i bought:

shorter's schizophrenia (whoa)
green's street of dreams (bobby i could kiss you)

and it didn't place but i've been meaning to get it for a while, duke's the afro-euroasian ecplise which, if you are currently jamming to money jungle because of this thread, you'll also love.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Monday, 12 September 2011 10:32 (twelve years ago) link

need to check that one out

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 12 September 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

It's almost as good as The Far East Suite. Also, Latin American Suite is a motherfucker.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 12 September 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

oh cool, i will need to check it out then!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 12 September 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

was thinking some more about the 60s jazz audience this morning and wondering if there was a modern parallel to the cultural space that jazz occupied during that time - "serious" music, audience of primarily college kids and middle class "intellectuals", paid lots of lip service by mainstream media, perceived as "cutting edge" and then thought... oh duh, indie rock

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

big bands:dancing::bebop:chinstroking:::"rock and roll":dancing::indie rock:shoegazing

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

exactly

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

vulcan mind-meld

that one music appreciation course I took where the prof said "jazz just turned from a dance music to a chamber music" snapped so much into sharp focus for me -- that progression has been repeating for centuries

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

A while ago I started a thread where I tried to formulate that sort of change in musical genres, but it wasn't very popular:

Major musical changes and the body/brain dichotomy.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

not enough of an attention-getting thread title, should've gone with IS INDIE ROCK THE NEW JAZZ???!?!!! lol

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

also not getting enough attention maybe because the poll ended a while ago.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

i prefer shakeys title and think he should start that thread

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link

It's gonna take me a few more weeks to absorb everything. One that stood out was Donald Byrd's A New Perspective. The choir works surprisingly well, something you don't often hear on a jazz album.

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

One that stood out was Donald Byrd's A New Perspective

YESSSS I am super-stan for this album

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think I've heard that Donald Byrd. Choir? Really? Nice.

Turangalila, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

jazz choir? just as loathsome as jazz harp.

tylerw, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

jk, i like that record. amazing cover photo too.

tylerw, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

yeah the cover's how I found out about it to begin with

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

er rather the Tone Loc "homage" to it

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

glad to see love for that album.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link

The choir works surprisingly well, something you don't often hear on a jazz album.

On a similar note, the string quartet on the Andrew Hill Mosaic Select set works insanely well. I wouldn't expect any less from Hill, but it's really incredible how the strings are worked into the arrangements.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

But exactly how popular was, say, a giant like John Coltrane...? I have no idea. And who bought these records? Middle-class black people, white "intellectuals"...? I can't really see Hank Mobley and Grant Green appealling much to teenagers, the whole Blue Note vibe is one of adult sophistication, for example.

Was just at lunch, reading an article in Wax Poetics about the 'Jamaica Kats', best known for Tom Browne's "Funkin for Jamaica". By the 60s, Jamaica, Queens had become an enclave of 'professional' blacks. Their families and parents' friends would get together on Sundays, listen to records, and debate whether or not, say, Sonny Stitt was better than Bird. One 'kat' was in 6th grade classes w/Coltrane's daughter, and awed by that connection. They knew Jackie McClean from him performing at weddings.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

I made a mix for Spotify-less friends with samples from the top 40 entries. PM if ya want it.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

has anyone heard this album? http://allmusic.com/album/windjammer-r141115

That is one stinker of a review.

http://allmusic.com/artist/freddie-hubbard-p85567/discography The mid to late 70s albums all get horrid reviews as does that album that somehow made it into the poll 'sing me a song of songmy'

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

review makes it sound intriguing tbh. never heard it.

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

those mid-late 70s reviews really are bad. He must have really lost it. Guess he just about killed his reputation by then.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

sounds like the kind of thing jaxon would be familiar with

I'm kind of curious myself

I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

well, it's sometimes hard to go by reviews during that period -- i think the penguin jazz guide has nothing good to say about those mid-70s donald byrd/mizell bros. records, but they're fantastic. whether they're good "jazz" is debatable, I guess, but i love the tunes.

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I love that period of Donald Byrd, but they do get good reviews elsewhere, I'm not sure these Hubbard ones do.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, they're beloved by funk/r&b/fusion people, but for certain types of jazz d-bags, they might be insufferable.

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qcVl6GNqE8

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link

sounds perfectly fine to me

I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

is freddie in a bubble on that cover? or is it shrinkwrap that he appears to be trying to burst out of?

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

well as a funk guy maybe i'll dig it. I'll see if its on spotify

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

It is on spotify -- I made it exactly 1:13 into "Dream Weaver" when the backing vocals started, and had to turn it off.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

ha yeah, it's not great.

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

maybe instead of a jazz listening club ilm needs an underrated jazz funk album listening club ;)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

agree it isn't great - it's wholly unremarkable for the most part - but it isn't TERRIBLE

I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

Are there many completely terrible jazz albums out there by otherwise half-decent artists? Don't think I've had the misfortune to encounter any so far myself.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link

There are plenty of aesthetically questionable records by otherwise good players out there -- usually from the 70s or 80s by players who were at their peak in the 50s/60s, and usually in some kind of "crossover" vein and/or rock-influenced records by artists that were kind of lukewarm about the whole fusion thing. I guess you could argue that a lot of them are no worse than some run-of-the-mill jam session records.

Jews Did Irene (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

This one is pretty bad. But i only paid 99p for it like a decade ago

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KwgwN_ZyU6k/S96PE1yyZCI/AAAAAAAAACM/wdEwTMch3rE/s1600/05-feets-dont-fail-me-now-1979%5B1%5D.jpg

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

hehe

Review

by Richard S. Ginell

Herbie Hancock's electric records up until this point were marked by intelligence and adventure, even at their most earthy. But no, this one doesn't have an ounce of either. Herbie falls hook, line and sinker for the disco fad and submerges his personality underneath the plastic vocals and four-on-the-floor disco beat. Hancock's own gauzy vocals through a Sennheiser vocoder are embarrassing, and even his synthesizer work sounds coarse and gimmicky. This time, even the purists were right; this is of no interest to jazz listeners and it isn't even good disco.

Some of Secrets is quite good however.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

That was a review for Feets Dont Fail Me Now bbtw

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

Secrets is

Having long since established his funk credentials, Herbie Hancock continues the direction of Head Hunters and its U.S. successors here, welding himself to the groove on electric keyboards while Bennie Maupin again shines sardonic beams of light on a variety of reeds. In "Doin' It," the most successful track, Hancock makes a more overt bid for the dancefloor, for the tune is basically one long irresistible groove with a very commercial-sounding bridge. Again Hancock chooses to recompose one of his standards; "Cantelope [sic] Island" is almost unrecognizable converted into a sauntering, swaggering thing. A streamlining process has set in -- the drumming has been simplified, some of the old high-voltage drive has been muted -- yet there are still enough enjoyable, intelligently musical things happening here to hold a Hancock admirer's attention.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

I love Herbie's pop-funk period! Not quite as much as I love the Mwandishi albums, but probably more than I like Headhunters.

dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

you're nuts tho ;)

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

Feets Don't Fail Me Now is not bad if you listen to it as a disco record and forget Herbie's jazz past. There's some pretty good disco grooves on it, especially "Tell Everybody" and "Honey from a Jar". And Secrets is one of Herbie's best funk records, I love the repetitive, hypnotic jamming on it.

For me, the biggest dud by an established jazz player that I've ever heard is this one:

http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/3906/cover_211162022010.jpg

Not any good grooves, just pointless fusion noodling, ugly 80s soft rock sounds, Miles is backed by mediocre players, and his own soloing is hardly memorable either.

Tuomas, Thursday, 15 September 2011 07:40 (twelve years ago) link

otoh its a dope cover

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 15 September 2011 08:38 (twelve years ago) link

havent heard that album actually

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 15 September 2011 12:05 (twelve years ago) link

Inspired by this thread, I today borrowed from the library "Headhunters", Coltrane's "Bahia", Dexter Gordon's "Go" and Jimmy Smith's "Midnight Special". What do people think of the latter three?

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 16 September 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link

The Jimmy Smith is great!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 16 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

Seconded. Also, just learned today that he played a B3 MIDI solo on Michael Jackson's "Bad." I don't recall that song having a solo of any kind, but wow.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

Had no idea about that either

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 16 September 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

Neil what did you think of them?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 17 September 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

I have today borrowed #63 and #21 from the library. I have compiled a list of about 20 records in the top 100 alone to check out.

Jeff W, Saturday, 17 September 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

to save anyone having to scroll through a million posts in this thread to see what he got i'll link you to the full list Full list of ILM post-1945 JAZZ ALBUM RESULTS + post your ballots

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 17 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

Btw I would like to recommend this guy http://allmusic.com/artist/tina-brooks-p6181/discography

Should have mentioned him in the noms thread but too late now. The great news is you can listen to all his output here http://open.spotify.com/artist/4JgvfZeCWGzEPGR6yVaXuX

Tina Brooks had a short-lived career during the heyday of hard bop and didn't record for the last 12 years of his life. Nonetheless, his own records and his sessions with Freddie Hubbard, Jackie McLean, Freddie Redd, Jimmy Smith, and Kenny Burrell leave the impression that he was on his way to becoming a tenor giant when he was overcome by health problems due to drug addiction. Brooks did session work with both Amos Milburn and Lionel Hampton, but the key to his own artistry is on the Blue Note label. He led only four sessions as a leader for Blue Note from 1958 through 1961 -- during his lifetime. The first two, Minor Move and True Blue, define the weighty edge in Brooks' playing and his plethora of improvisational ideas that extended the blues framework he operated out of beyond what most players were doing at the time. His reliance on minor-key signatures and open-ended harmonic figures were much-envied trademarks among his peers. Also on Blue Note is his work with McLean and Redd, both of whom played on his recordings. Perhaps Brooks' most seminal moment as an improviser, though, was on Redd's score for Jack Gelber's Beat play The Connection, performed by the Living Theater, where the musicians played themselves as characters and drug addicts, which was close to, if not spot on, the actual truth. Here he and McLean turned the hard bop blues into an aggressive, deeply emotional wail of truth and beauty winding around each other in short bursts and long lines as Redd turned the intervals inside out for the pair to blow. Brooks work on McLean's Street Singer and Jackie's Bag in 1959 and 1960 as well as Shades of Redd are stunning also.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 17 September 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

Ok so in HMV I got a boxset that seemingly has everything the Miles Davis Quintet* did on Columbia between 65-68 for only £14.99? But it doesn't look like its sorted into albums and then takes but by date of recording? Plus box is stupidly annoying and doesn't quite fit all 6 discs in and out without breaking the plastic. Still, should be fun as hell.

*Wayne Shorter, Herbie, Ron Carter, Tony Williams

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

confusing

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

the miles davis live thing has been posted today by amazon so hopefully will come tomorrow

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone got it yet?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

to answer your q upthread, ASR: Jimmy Smith is good but not up to that live album of his; Dexter Gordon I need to listen to more. Headhunters is the best thing I've heard in a very long time, and I'm sorry I didn't listen to it a long time ago!

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6730111/a/Miles+Davis+Quintet,+1965-68%3A+The+Complete+Columbia+Studio.htm is what i picked up today. weird hearing esp, the only record i own off of it, out of order but its still slammin'

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

Britishers: even more than usual of these charters (i.e. not just the Blue Note stuff) on CD @ £3 each in Fopp right now.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

that is v tempting. Payday jazz binge I reckon!

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

holy shit i am in love with a man and that mans name is tony williams. the drums on miles smiles has made me gay.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

Wait'll you hear him on the live stuff.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

omg this is the best drumming i've ever heard

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

Have spent soooo much money on jazz this past month thanks to this poll. Favourite purchases so far have been:

Joe Henderson - Page One
Andrew Hill - Compulsion
Jackie McLean - Destination Out
Sam Rivers - Dimensions & Extensions
McCoy Tyner - Enlightenment
Alice Coltrane - Transfiguration

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link

what do you think of the Rivers?

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

It's great, I probably prefer it to the only other Rivers I've heard (Fuschia Swing Song). Pretty hard-driving stuff with some quite free playing around some tight sounding tunes.

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link

holy shit i am in love with a man and that mans name is tony williams. the drums on miles smiles has made me gay.

Is this your 1st exposure to TW?! Such an amazing player. Don't miss Out to Lunch!

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Thursday, 29 September 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link

he is the drummer on out to lunch? i love that record!

basically i need to pay more attention to band members as opposed to band leaders

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 29 September 2011 00:51 (twelve years ago) link

Yep, that's Williams, at the ripe old age of 18.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Thursday, 29 September 2011 00:54 (twelve years ago) link

I have a question about We Insist! Freedom Now Suite: I just bought this new reissue of it, but the sound quality is quite bad. There's a lot of crackles and some distortion too, it sounds like it was ripped from a vinyl. I searched the web for some information on it, and apparently the previous CD reissue by Candid (the label that released the original album) has the same problem. Does anyone own the Candid CD, can they confirm if this is true? If it is, I wonder why... I have a couple of other reissues of albums Candid released around the same time, and they certainly don't sound as bad as We Insist. Did they lose the master tapes, or where they damaged?

Tuomas, Thursday, 29 September 2011 07:42 (twelve years ago) link

My copy sounds fine. It has the same artwork as Candid, but is a Japanese import. The notes on the cd say "Manufactured and distributed by Victor Entertainment Inc. Tokyo, Japan from a master recording owned by Max Roach, copyright 1997. Don't know why reissues would have poorer quality. Hope this helps.

***, Thursday, 29 September 2011 10:19 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks for the info, I'll try looking for that Japanese import.

I guess it's possible that Candid had lost or damaged their master tape, whereas the Japanese label managed to get hold of Roach's personal master, but the new reissue was made of the old inferior Candid master instead of the Japanese one.

Tuomas, Thursday, 29 September 2011 12:16 (twelve years ago) link

miles davis live in europe just arrived!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 29 September 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

just wanted to pipe in that this poll has probably had the most impact on my listening habits since these things have kicked off.

also Andrew Hill's "Spectrum" is an amazing tune wtf at me missing that record

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i thought it was a good and much needed poll myself. Glad others have enjoyed it as much.

Bought loads of £3.99 cds from this list. Filled in some gaps. Realised i had been relying on spotify so much for jazz esp blue note.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

received some more cds last week, this time from ebay. Anyone else still buying stuff?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't bought much (just the AMAZING new Miles live set), but am still revisiting things in my collection I hadn't listened to in a while. Gained a new appreciation for Joe Henderson, will likely be buying more Lee Morgan (only have The Sidewinder and Live At The Lighthouse).

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

i spent my monthly present to myself on a year of ring of honor tv. maybe next month.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

still working through the Spotify list, need to make that visit to Fopp!

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

This poll is reminding me that there's a big hole in my collection in the area of "hard bop".

o. nate, Friday, 14 October 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

that's a big hole

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 14 October 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

did you start to fill it?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 20 October 2011 11:19 (twelve years ago) link

four weeks pass...

So anyone still checking out some jazz?

(Algerian Goalkeeper) Vs (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

I've been looking into these lately; pretty much love everything I've heard so far:

bix beiderbecke
jack teagarden (not crazy about the singing, but the playing is amazing)
frankie trumbauer

nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 17 November 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

I got the last of the Coltrane reissue boxes. I really like the trimmed down Concert In Japan; I always thought the 4 disc one was a bit too much. I enjoy Jimmy Garrison but I don't need two extended bass solos, thank you very much.

Also happy to hear Infinity after all this time. Quite different, but not bad.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 17 November 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

did you start to fill it?

Some "hard bop" CDs I've picked up recently:

Horace Silver - Song for My Father
Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
Cannonball Adderley - Cannonball Adderley Quintet in San Francisco

All are quite nice. The last one wasn't in the poll, but it's highly recommended.

o. nate, Thursday, 17 November 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

yeah basically any of cannonball's live LPs are worth grabbing -- though there are a lot of them!

tylerw, Thursday, 17 November 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

im curious where the groundswell critically came for 'black saint' -- was there a particular critic who championed it? I know it was on some pfork list awhile back

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 5:13 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

i thought it was always highly regarded yeah

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 5:15 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah but so is the bulk of his catalog. im just wondering how this became ~the one~

i mean you can say its just the quality of the album but usually someone makes some kind of case for it in the public discourse

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 5:16 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

Sorry to be so late with this, but I wanted to post the following in response to the above comments:


It's just that music has been a fluctuating fanaticism with me ever since--well, ever since I first heard "The Storm" from the William Tell Overture on a TV cartoon about first grade. And riding in the car through grammar school when songs like "There Goes My Baby" would come on the radio, and getting a first record player in fifth grade, and hearing for the first time things like John Coltrane and Charlie Mingus's The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady and the Stones and feedback and Trout Mask Replica. All these were milestones, each one fried my brain a little further, especially the experience of the first few listenings to a record so total, so mind-twisting, that you authentically can say you'll never be quite the same again. Black Saint and the Sinner Lady did that, and a very few others. They're events you remember all your life, like your first real orgasm. And the whole purpose of the absurd, mechanically persistent involvement with recorded music is the pursuit of that priceless moment.

-Lester Bangs, Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung: A Tale of These Times (1971)

cwkiii, Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:20 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

this thread was so great, decided i would listen to these in order. on #246...though i had to skip herbie's "blow up."

dronestreet, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

you should liveblog every album!

(Algerian Goalkeeper) Vs (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

Nice Bangs quote. But Black Saint was recognized as something special pretty much at its release. That would be a sweet website, collating jazz criticism from the 30s through 70s.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

doing too much other stuff to liveblog...but i definitely plan to write up some reactions to discs i really enjoyed. really digging on Blues & Roots right now.

dronestreet, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

look forward to it!

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Sunday, 15 January 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

I hope you still do it!

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link

Digging into several volumes of Duke Ellington's Private Collection series. Like pretty much all of Ellington's career, nary a phoned-in moment.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago) link

Duke's Private Collection has tons of great stuff on it. TONS.

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

Wish i hadn't done this last year so i could do it this year and have something to look forward to. it was so much fun.

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link

Recap 250-1

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes

49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes
25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes
24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes
23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes
22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes
21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes
20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes

19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1
18 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's
17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1
16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes
15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes
14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes
13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes
12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes
11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1

10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #1
9 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes
8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1
7 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1
6 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes
5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes
4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes
3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's
2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1

1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969) 3379 Points, 23 votes, 3 #1's

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

I just scrolled down the thread with my awfully slow computer. Well done people \\0// I will probably feed off this for the next couple of years.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link

there's a spotify playlist for the top 250 that was available at the time
http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4AKL8fW8hRbxvri8KS5nCW

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link

Been going through some more of this list recently, there are still 70-80 albums I haven't heard. Some of the ones I've really liked:

Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One/Tauhid/Summun Bukmun Umyun
Miles Davis - Bags' Groove
Eric Dolphy - Iron Man
Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju Ju
Gil Evans - Out of the Cool
Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link

im really glad people are still checking it out!

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

I am really digging Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch tonight. This thread is fucking fantastic.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 1 June 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

:)

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 1 June 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link

wish there was people with the knowledge of reggae or even blues to run a poll and have enough to take part in so the clueless of us could learn about it.

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 1 June 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link

couldn't hurt to try

you're bored anyway

mookieproof, Friday, 1 June 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link

I know what you mean I love Skip James and Fred Mcdowell and am sure there are others like them, bring on the egg spurts. My reggae knowledge comes from buying lots of Blood and Fire reissues in the 90's but it isn't really much. We need some egg spurts with spiritual hats and now!

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 1 June 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

it has to be someone with knowledge of those genres im afraid to run it.
I have no idea how many reggae or blues fans there are on ILM. But if one of them were to run a poll it would be fantastic.

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 1 June 2012 00:54 (eleven years ago) link

no idea about reggae, but i'm pretty sure we could do blues

perhaps one of the vinylists

mookieproof, Friday, 1 June 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link

probably would get a bunch of people voting for David Lynch films in the reggae poll and a bunch of people arguing that Blue Velvet isn't real reggae

Moodles, Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link

and new order fans

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link

I have got some wonderful music off this thread so far. I would recommend this thread to anyone who doesn't know shit about jazz. Before this thread I had only really dug Miles, Mingus and Coltrane and never really delved much further.

Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder

Hank Mobley - Soul Station

Oliver Nelson - The Blues And The Abstract Truth

Three amazing albums here.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 3 June 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link

Have you checked out Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' ?

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 3 June 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

Well that will be next on my list. Thanks for that.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 3 June 2012 23:17 (eleven years ago) link

Fantastic album. Was so pleased it did so well in the poll.

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 3 June 2012 23:39 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

I am coming around to this Ole >>>> A Love Supreme idea

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link

probably would get a bunch of people voting for David Lynch films in the reggae poll and a bunch of people arguing that Blue Velvet isn't real reggae

?! have you seen the Dub/Reggae threads around here? some serious heads in those

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link

but yes lol David Lynch

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link

Ole is awesome. I like the Live at the Village Vanguard stuff from later that year even better.

wmlynch, Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

ok I've an idea cuz I'm bored at work. I'm going to go down the list and find the highest ranked album I've never heard and then spotify it.

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

btw yeah Village Vanguard live stuff is my favorite coltrane

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

So it's Donald Byrd - Off to the Races

meh this was a bad idea I really don't feel like listening to generic issue Blue Note hardbop right now.

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link

Seriously this sounds like a million other records, don't get why it made the poll.

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link

this is kind of cool
Newk’s Picks
Sonny Rollins chooses 10 must-hear tenor cuts
Coleman Hawkins: “The Man I Love”
A very exciting record: high musicality, extraordinary personnel, definitely a tenor saxophone gem.

Lester Young: “Afternoon of a Basie-ite”
It’s a perfect example of his lyricism, his nonpareil sense of swing. The great Lester Young—the man who influenced generations.

John Coltrane: “Giant Steps”
Establishing a new saxophone language.

Eddie “Lockjaw” Davis: “Lockjaw”
One of the most underrated and unique tenor players of any era.

Ben Webster: “Cotton Tail”
Also a trendsetter. His work cannot be
overlooked. Important.

Dexter Gordon (with Dizzy Gillespie): “Blue ’n’ Boogie”
Dexter Gordon influenced so many of the younger tenor players who followed him.

Stan Getz (with Woody Herman): “Four Brothers”
Stan led in the popularity of the “white” tenor sound. And don’t forget Brew Moore.

Don Byas (with Dizzy Gillespie): “Be-Bop”
The saxophone wizard. He could play anything and everything on the horn with fluidity, authority and style.

Junior Walker: “Shotgun”
Junior exemplified the viability of the tenor in soul, pop and rock.

Grover Washington Jr.: “Mister Magic”
Grover, one of my favorites, spearheaded the soul-jazz movement.

Made a playlist of it and listened last night -- great, but a little jarring when "Shotgun" pops up.

tylerw, Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link

six months pass...

Has anyone noticed anything with the blue note albums on Spotify? As spoken about on that other thread on ilm about watermarking on UMG labels.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 3 February 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

I suppose nobody did then

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 27 June 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

dog latin here it is

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 30 September 2013 20:30 (ten years ago) link

Thanks H!

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:27 (ten years ago) link

Just what I'm after

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:28 (ten years ago) link

I'd do a reggae poll if I knew how

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:29 (ten years ago) link

And I had the time... On day

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:29 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

Been listening to jazz-and-nothing-but the last couple weeks and this thread has SO MUCH I wanna check out! Damn Xmas bills will require another month or so to pay off tho. :(

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 23 January 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link

me too myonga. i think EOY might have extinguished the buzz, but i've been working my way through this list quite a bit.

he drummed, pompously (dog latin), Thursday, 23 January 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link

a lot of it is on here
http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4AKL8fW8hRbxvri8KS5nCW

۩, Thursday, 23 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

its a jazzy time of year again

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Saturday, 21 February 2015 04:28 (nine years ago) link

This was one of the most important threads in ilm history for me

I, (dog latin), Saturday, 21 February 2015 11:51 (nine years ago) link

I have been having a Max Roach binge lately; Percussion Bitter Sweet, featuring the legendary Hasaan and the trio with Duke E + Mingus have been my favourite discoveries of this year so far, some incredible music.

xelab, Saturday, 21 February 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link

Love the Max 1958-59 set (3CDs, think it might be out of print, though) -- really interesting arrangements, incredibly underrated band (w/Booker Little, George Coleman).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 21 February 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0003/283/MI0003283720.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

I will look out for that it sounds interesting, it looks like it came out shortly after he died.

xelab, Saturday, 21 February 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link

I think I need to hear that, too - all the Roach I know is his work with Clifford Brown, and the Freedom Now Suite album.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 21 February 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.udiscovermusic.com/50-greatest-jazz-albums-ever
50. Thelonious Monk – Genius of Modern Music vol.1 & 2.
49. Count Basie – the Original American Decca Recordings
48. Bud Powell – The Amazing Bud Powell Vo.1
47. Weather Report – Heavy Weather
46. John Coltrane & Thelonious Monk – At Carnegie Hall
45. Horace Silver – Song For My Father
44. Grant Green – Idle Moments
43. Count Basie – The Complete Atomic Basie
42. Hank Mobley – Soul Station
41. Charlie Christian – The Genius of the Electric Guitar
40. Art Pepper meets the Rhythm Section
39. John Coltrane – My Favourite Things
38. Benny Goodman – At Carnegie Hall 1938
37. Wes Montgomery – The incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery
36. The Mahavishnu Orchestra With John McLaughlin – Inner Mounting Flame
35. Clifford Brown and Max Roach – Clifford Brown & Max Roach
34. Andrew Hill – Point of Departure
33. Herbie Hancock – Head Hunters
32. Dexter Gordon – Go
31. Sarah Vaughan – With Clifford Brown
30. The Quintet – Jazz at Massey Hall
29. Bill Evans Trio – Waltz For Debby
28. Lee Morgan – The Sidewinder
27. Bill Evans – Sunday at the village Vanguard
26. Thelonious Monk – Brilliant Corners
25. Keith Jarrett – the Koln Concert
24. John Coltrane – Giant Steps
23. Herbie Hancock – Maiden Voyage
22. Duke Ellington – Ellington at Newport
21. Cecil Taylor – Unit Structures
20. Charlie Parker – Complete Savoy and Dial Studio recordings
19. Miles Davis – Birth of the Cool
18. Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers – Moanin’
17. Albert Ayler – Spiritual Unity
16. Eric Dolphy – Out To Lunch
15. Oliver Nelson – The Blues and the Abstract Truth
14. Erroll Garner – Concert By the Sea
13. Wayne Shorter – Speak No Evil
12. Stan Getz & Joao Gilberto – Getz/Gilberto
11. Louis Armstrong – Best of the Hot 5s and 7s
10. John Coltrane – Blue Train
9. Miles Davis – Bitches Brew
8. Sonny Rollins – Saxophone Colossus
7. Cannonball Adderley – Somethin’ Else
6. Charles Mingus – The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
5. Ornette Coleman – The Shape of Jazz to Come
4. Charles Mingus – Mingus Ah Um
3. Dave Brubeck Quartet – Time Out
2. John Coltrane – A Love Supreme
1. Miles Davis – Kind of Blue

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 4 May 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link

no ascension, no credibility.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link

from the comments section; I keep forgetting anti-New Thing is still a thing:

No Brecker, Corea,, Tatum, Tristano, Marsh, Tyner?? But the woeful Ayler and Dolphy are in there? Incredible.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link

There are easily 5 or more Duke Ellington lps that are far more essential than Ellington at Newport imo.

xelab, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Recap 250-1

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes

49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes
25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes
24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes
23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes
22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes
21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes
20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes

19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1
18 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's
17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1
16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes
15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes
14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes
13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes
12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes
11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1

10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #1
9 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes
8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1
7 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1
6 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes
5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes
4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes
3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's
2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1

1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969) 3379 Points, 23 votes, 3 #1's

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 6 July 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

there is not one keith jarrett album in there. that's not ok. the sun bear concerts piss over the black saint and sinner lady. they are not always pure jazz but that's a contradictory concept anway. i never got the appeal of that mingus album.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link

what's not to get? it's loads of fun, really diverse, unlike p much any other album i've ever heard in any genre...

(no offence to people) (dog latin), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link

TS: Sun Bear pissing vs Mingus' cats pissing

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link

did you vote alex?

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 31 July 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link

no, somehow i missed out, sorry. i shouldn't complain really, i know.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 31 July 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

remember tuomas volunteered to do a pre ww2 jazz poll?

Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link

deej is this better?
http://www.udiscovermusic.com/50-greatest-jazz-albums-ever

50. Thelonious Monk - Genius of Modern Music vol.1 & 2.
49. Count Basie - the Original American Decca Recordings
48. Bud Powell - The Amazing Bud Powell Vo.1
47. Weather Report – Heavy Weather
46. John Coltrane & Thelonious Monk - At Carnegie Hall
45. Horace Silver - Song For My Father
44. Grant Green - Idle Moments
43. Count Basie - The Complete Atomic Basie
42. Hank Mobley - Soul Station
41. Charlie Christian - The Genius of the Electric Guitar
40. Art Pepper meets the Rhythm Section
39. John Coltrane - My Favourite Things
38. Benny Goodman – At Carnegie Hall 1938
37. Wes Montgomery - The incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery
36. The Mahavishnu Orchestra With John McLaughlin - Inner Mounting Flame
35. Clifford Brown and Max Roach - Clifford Brown & Max Roach
34. Andrew Hill - Point of Departure
33. Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters
32. Dexter Gordon - Go
31. Sarah Vaughan - With Clifford Brown
30. The Quintet - Jazz at Massey Hall
29. Bill Evans Trio - Waltz For Debby
28. Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
27. Bill Evans - Sunday at the village Vanguard
26. Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners
25. Keith Jarrett - the Koln Concert
24. John Coltrane - Giant Steps
23. Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
22. Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport
21. Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures
20. Charlie Parker - Complete Savoy and Dial Studio recordings
19. Miles Davis - Birth of the Cool
18. Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin'
17. Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity
16. Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch
15. Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth
14. Erroll Garner - Concert By the Sea
13. Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil
12. Stan Getz & Joao Gilberto - Getz/Gilberto
11. Louis Armstrong - Best of the Hot 5s and 7s
10. John Coltrane - Blue Train
9. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
8. Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus
7. Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else
6. Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
5. Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
4. Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
3. Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out
2. John Coltrane – A Love Supreme
1. Miles Davis – Kind of Blue

Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link

I know you aren't addressing me CS but this has the obligatory Ellington at Newport placing and omits 6 or 7 of his masterworks as per usual with these fucking canon lists. Just saying like.

xelab, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link

i dont know the site but a bunch of blue note artists FB pages are currently sharing this list.

No doubt there will be jazz sites with an entirely different list.

Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link

A love supreme is too high

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link

Also agree about the Duke thing xelab mentioned

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link

Tokenism sucks but so do "best of jazz lists" containing, like, forty miles albums. You could do an entire "greatest albums of jazz" with nothing but ellington. i guess the ones that are most "canon" are his collaborations with post-boppers like "money jungle" and "ellington and trane" as well as "far east suite" and "ellington at newport". his compilations get shrifted. even something like "never no lament" gets talked about more than listened to! probably because he did so much and it's very easy to get fatigued. listening to all of duke's stuff is probably ultimately rewarding but is like trying to read proust or something.

rushomancy, Thursday, 8 October 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link

listening to all of duke's stuff is probably ultimately rewarding but is like trying to read proust or something.

jesus christ

brimstead, Thursday, 8 October 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link

his compilations get shrifted. even something like "never no lament" gets talked about more than listened to!

Never No Lament is only a compilation because the LP record wouldn't exist for another six or seven years at the time these recordings were made.

How are you measuring how much it gets listened to vs. talked about? The 78s on this set were big sellers in their day; their profound brilliance and innovation aside, they were listened to (and, significantly, danced to) constantly by millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, of people.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 October 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link

otm

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 10 October 2015 05:38 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34827355

Miles Davis, the trumpeter whose lyrical playing and ever-changing style made him a touchstone of 20th Century music, has been voted the greatest jazz artist of all time.

The musician beat the likes of Louis Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday - all of whom made the top 10.

Votes were cast by listeners of BBC Radio and Jazz FM, and revealed on pop-up radio station BBC Music Jazz.

Jazz FM presenter Helen Mayhew called Davis "the epitome of cool".

"Miles was at the forefront of key developments in the sound of jazz through each decade of his long career.

"He's also responsible for recording the biggest-selling and most universally loved jazz album of them all, the 1959 album Kind of Blue."

The full top 10 - derived from a shortlist of 50 - was:

Miles Davis
Louis Armstrong
Duke Ellington
John Coltrane
Ella Fitzgerald
Charlie Parker
Billie Holiday
Thelonious Monk (8=)
Bill Evans (8=)
Oscar Peterson

Describing the top 10 as "the best of the best," Radio 3's Geoffrey Smith said the first three positions were all occupied by "immortals" of jazz music.

He described them as "Duke, the orchestral master; Louis, the father of us all; and Miles, the essence of the ever-changing contemporary spirit."

Raised in St Louis, Missouri, Davis pioneered several styles of jazz - including cool jazz, hard-bop, modal jazz, jazz-rock, jazz-funk and the use of electronics.

"To be and stay a great musician. you've got to always be open to what's new, what's happening at the moment," he wrote in his autobiography.

"You have to be able to absorb it if you're going to continue to grow and communicate your music."

The first jazz musician to incorporate the rhythms of rock and roll, he became an inspiration for generations.

Among his best-selling albums were the experimental, improvised double set Bitches' Brew and the meticulous, introspective Birth of the Cool, a compilation that charted his development of the cool jazz sound.

Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 15 November 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

fun times with deej itt

Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Monday, 18 February 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link

i stand by my posts itt!

also btw isn't this the anniversary of ILX's number one jazz album!

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 00:05 (five years ago) link

Count Basie doesn't get enough hipster kisses

brimstead, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 01:36 (five years ago) link

sarahel this thread

Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 12:01 (five years ago) link

Alex OTM that the lack of Jarrett is a shocker - Vienna Concert is top 50 minimum.

Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard is toooooooo low.

Your dad's Carlos Boozer and you keep him alive (fionnland), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 12:21 (five years ago) link

btw deej didn't vote so that is what antagonized a lot of people itt.

I was quite thankful for his presence as it kickstarted the convo and a lot of great music got discovered by people reading the thread due to him

Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 12:23 (five years ago) link

I once played a Keith Jarrett trio record for my dad and he said "he's just playing warmups out of the Hanon book." Today that's kind of how I feel about Jarrett.

Forgot about this thread even though I was all over it.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 15:23 (five years ago) link

perfectly timed bump-- i just started playing drums and i'm looking for more jazz to listen to beyond the rockist canon.
say what you will about jarrett but i will not tolerate any ill will towards dejohnette

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link

no ill will here toward dejohnette

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:43 (five years ago) link

not a Jarrett marcher myself tbh, find him truly abhorrent to listen to and a massively pumped up technician or something. And will stan for any '58 - '63 top vintage hard bop over most spiritual jazz, but in a controversy free manner where I don't actually post anything in response to responders and still like lots of what is classified spiritual jazz as well tbf.

calzino, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link

it's hard to picture coltrane allowing a release with a title and cover as on the nose as this

https://img.discogs.com/U5ZOt_NtU3-_8dgQzA4q5fB0gyM=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-873261-1332868754.jpeg.jpg

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:09 (five years ago) link

not a Jarrett marcher myself tbh, find him truly abhorrent to listen to and a massively pumped up technician or something.

Yeah, I think the main reason I enjoyed those trio records in retrospect was the interplay btw peacock and dejohnette. And the solo records are a new agey snooze. The most I ever enjoyed him was on electric miles records, and I heard he didn't like playing on them. Maybe someone needed to make him uncomfortable.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link

How did the Individualism of Gil Evans only come 323rd?! Sheesh.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link

xp ha! I guess I had never seen that cover, only know Om from that compiled "works" release.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:14 (five years ago) link

Many many xps: this Blue Camel album is fantastic. The only other work of his I know is Journey to the Centre of an Egg from 2006(?), which is also excellent.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link

deej do you consider Kamasi Washington to be "spiritual hat jazz"? I haven't given him enough time but I get a bit of that vibe.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

i expect deej will think that. He wouldn't be wrong tbf

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 20 October 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Reposting this for the benefit of TT and LJ.

Recap 250-1

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes

49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes
25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes
24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes
23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes
22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes
21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes
20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes

19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1
18 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's
17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1
16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes
15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes
14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes
13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes
12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes
11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1

10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #1
9 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes
8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1
7 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1
6 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes
5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes
4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes
3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's
2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1

1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969) 3379 Points, 23 votes, 3 #1's

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 23 February 2020 21:29 (four years ago) link

I should see if any more of these have been added to spotify since then

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link

Has there? I forget what was on and what wasnt.

I must own a fair few of these by now

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:41 (four years ago) link

186/250 on CD and the rest digitally.

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:48 (four years ago) link

Ah Um

ncxkd, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:52 (four years ago) link

I liked the follow up Um Yeah

Oor Neechy, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:52 (four years ago) link

Amazing that Kind Of Blue got beaten out by so many others. I like Out To Lunch, but you know?

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 24 February 2020 10:03 (four years ago) link

Kind Of Blue isn't even in my own top 10 Miles.

I also prefer A Love Supreme to Kind Of Blue and that was only #15 in this poll.

How many of these albums do you know, dog latin?

Oor Neechy, Monday, 24 February 2020 11:09 (four years ago) link

i know the whole top ten save for the Herbie Hancock ones which I've never quite managed to get the hang of, plus most of the top twenty.

I think it's cos KoB is so canon, and for so many other albums to place above it, well that's pure ILM isn't it?
Years ago when I first was getting into jazz I dismissed KoB as 'kinda safe', a bit mellow and not as bombastic and out there as the stuff that was really turning my head, but it's now the jazz album I reach to by default and discover something new about each time I hear it.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 2 March 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link

Amazing that Kind Of Blue got beaten out by so many others

yeah, amazing and wrong

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link

It’s probably my favorite jazz album. I mean, come on.

brimstead, Monday, 2 March 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link

i will never ever ever get tired of kind of blue or stop hearing new things in it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link

I also love how I can put it on and listen to it all the way through, which is more than I can say for a lot of classic jazz albums. it's short, interesting, melodic and lays off the skronkiness that I have to be in the mood for. Out To Lunch is a really exciting listen but I really have to be in the mood to bear through the whole thing. surprised Ah Um didn't place a lot higher either.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link

this is an excellent list of albums but very ILMish (that's one reason it seems excellent to me; jazz threads have influenced my listening for a long time) ... it's interesting to think about what kinds of jazz may have been under-represented or showed up infrequently or TOO LOW

off the top of my head:

-- early artists like Armstrong, Bechet, Ellington, Django, etc. (probably because their most innovative work was pre-LP-era)
-- swing / big bands (similar reasons)
-- cool / West Coast
-- European jazz, specifically ECM albums
-- pretty much anything post-1970s

I'm not complaining, just wondering what someone might miss if they were trying to learn about jazz from this list

Brad C., Monday, 2 March 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link

I'm sure if you asked deej nicely he would happily tell you, lol

Oor Neechy, Monday, 2 March 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link

deej was right 2020

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link

Brad C, I dont actually know the answer to your question (It was I who ran the poll btw) but I think a lot of voters, including myself, came from a rock background (even though I started listening to jazz 25+ years ago) and also probably via the canon , which is definitely weighted towards the classic Blue Note era.

I also knew pretty much fuck all about jazz post 1980 I have to say whereas the ilm jazzbos did and possibly they just got outnumbered?

As for the traditional greats mentioned they simply existed before the album era so unfortunately they would get ignored so we decided to make it post 1945 albums poll.

However Tuomas did say at the tome he would do a pre-war jazz tracks poll but it never happened but he did say last year he was still up for it so maybe he can do it this year?

Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 00:25 (four years ago) link

my question is kind of silly because it wasn't the purpose of the poll to represent all phases of jazz history, just to pick favorite jazz albums, and the results were fantastic; I don't see any albums in the list I wouldn't enjoy hearing again

I'd be glad to see a pre-war jazz tracks poll, but I'd have a tough time compiling a ballot that wasn't just the usual suspects ... I doubt there are enough moldy figs lurking on ILM to really do this era justice

Brad C., Tuesday, 3 March 2020 04:30 (four years ago) link

The entire top 20 came out between 1957 and 1973, so there's a fairly specific idea of jazz dominating the list. I'd love a post-1990 poll.

(Not to gainsay any of that top 20. It's a great list.)

Has anybody mentioned - or seen - the recently PBS Miles David documentary?

Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 05:02 (four years ago) link

I saw it. I didn't like it. Some of the early stuff was interesting, but it basically fast-forwarded from 1969 to his death, and (a major crime in my book) the 1973-75 band that made Dark Magus, Agharta and Pangaea was completely omitted. Also, the idea to have some actor read passages from Davis's autobiography in a really corny laryngitis voice should have been dumped at the first concept meeting.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:34 (four years ago) link

Yeah, over the weekend. Pretty meh. Too much territory to cover in 110 minutes so it's just shallow, shallow. And PBS bleeps the cusswords. -- xp

Miami weisse (WmC), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:35 (four years ago) link

I wish they'd done it in two parts like HBO's Sinatra documentary - two hours to cover 1945-1968, and two hours for 1969-1991.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Big ol' bunch of bullshit.

Stanley Crouch, Friday, 31 July 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link

lol hi stanley

it's hard to picture coltrane allowing a release with a title and cover as on the nose as this

1. what does this mean
2. "om" was a posthumous release

budo jeru, Friday, 31 July 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link

(many xps to man alive)

budo jeru, Friday, 31 July 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link

this bit from a Shirley Collins interview reminded me of this thread:

When I read your autobiography, you said that you didn’t like jazz when Ashley Hutchings played it for you. I have to ask what about it you dislike, if you’re okay with that.

Well it just makes me fidget. I just feel so fidgety. I don’t like the way people look when they’re listening to jazz. I don’t like the way people look when they’re playing jazz. I don’t like the sound of it. I don’t like the tunelessness and the tonelessness, I can’t hear it. It just doesn’t make any impression on me at all, except to irritate me. And they wear silly hats. I know I wrote that in the book, because it’s true, I just don’t like it. I like boogie-woogie, I like Jimmy Yancey, and I love the blues, but then they go and spoil it by playing jazz (laughs). Nobody’s perfect.

I can’t help it, you know? I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way about folk music, maybe it drives them nuts as well.

rob, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

meh

Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link

Next time these will be the results
http://jazz100.sffjazz.com/top100.html

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link

^^^ needs more swing imo.

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link

hey pom looks like reddit ran their own jazz poll

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/8r3zcb/the_rjazz_top_100_album_results/

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link

Reddit Poll Results

With 80 Contributors nearly 2,000 votes and a total of 776 album submissions, it becomes clear that our musical preferences vary greatly. These are the top 100(ish) albums we were able to come together and agree on being something special.

-104. Takuya Kuroda - Rising Son (2014) 4 Votes

-103. We Like It Here - Snarky Puppy (2014) 4 Votes

-102. The Imagined Savior is Far Easier to Paint- Ambrose Akinmusire (2014) 4 Votes

-101. Nostalgia at Times Square - Charles Mingus (1993) 4 Votes

-100. Concierto - Jim Hall (1975) 4 Votes

-99. On the Corner - Miles Davis (1972) 4 Votes

-98. Science Fiction - Ornette Coleman (1972) 4 Votes

-97. Now He Sings, Now He Sobs - Chick Corea (1968) 4 Votes

-96. Machine Gun - Peter Brotzmann (1968) 4 Votes

-95. Speak Like a Child - Herbie Hancock (1968) 4 Votes

-94. Adam’s Apple - Wayne Shorter (1967) 4 Votes

-93. Unit Structures - Cecil Taylor (1966) 4 Votes

-92. Search for New Land - Lee Morgan (1966) 4 Votes

-91. A Charlie Brown Christmas - Vince Guaraldi (1965) 4 Votes

-90. Smokin’ at the Half Note - Wes Montgomery (1965) 4 Votes

-89. Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus - Charles Mingus (1963) 4 Votes

-88. Caravan - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (1963) 4 Votes

-87. Tijuana Moods - Charles Mingus (1962) 4 Votes

-86. Live at the Village Vanguard - John Coltrane (1962) 4 Votes

-85. Free Jazz - Ornette Coleman (1961) 4 Votes

-84. This is Our Music - Ornette Coleman (1961) 4 Votes

-83. The Blanton Webster Band - Duke Ellington (Recorded 1940- 1942) 4 Votes

-82. Earfood - Roy Hargrove (2008) 5 Votes

-81. Scenery - Ryo Fukui (1976) 5 Votes

-80. Thrust - Herbie Hancock (1974) 5 Votes

-79. Mingus at Antibes - Charles Mingus (1974) 5 Votes

-78. Let My Children Hear Music - Charles Mingus (1972) 5 Votes

-77. Tribute to Jack Johnson - Miles Davis (1971) 5 Votes

-76. The Real McCoy - McCoy Tyner (1967) 5 Votes

-75. Straight, No Chaser - Thelonious Monk (1967) 5 Votes

-74. Spiritual Unity - Albert Ayler (1965) 5 Votes

-73. Coltrane’s Sound - John Coltrane (1964) 5 Votes

-72. Page One - Joe Henderson (1963) 5 Votes

-71. The Clown - Charles Mingus (1957) 5 Votes

-70. Super Sonic Jazz - Sun Ra (1957) 5 Votes

-69. Chet Baker Sings - Chet Baker (1954) 5 Votes

-68. We Insist! - Max Roach (1960) 5 Votes

-67. The Inner Mounting Flame - Mahavishnu Orchestra (1971) 6 Votes

-66. Ascension - John Coltrane (1966) 6 Votes

-65. Point of Departure - Andrew Hill (1964) 6 Votes

-64. Go! - Dexter Gordon (1962) 6 Votes

-63. Sonny Side Up - Dizzy Gillespie (1959) 6 Votes

-62. Ella and Louis - Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong (1956) 6 Votes

-61. Birth of the Cool - Miles Davis (Recorded 1949-1950) 6 Votes

-60. Hot Fives and Sevens - Louis Armstrong (1925-1928) 6 Votes

-59. The Awakening - Ahmad Jamal (1970) 7 Votes

-58. Miles Smiles - Miles Davis (1967) 7 Votes

-57. Idle Moments - Grant Green (1964) 7 Votes

-56. Money Jungle - Duke Ellington (1963) 7 Votes

-55. The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery - Wes Montgomery (1960) 7 Votes

-54. Everybody Digs Bill Evans - Bill Evans (1959) 7 Votes

-53. Misterioso - Thelonious Monk (1958) 7 Votes

-52. Monk’s Music - Thelonious Monk (1957) 7 Votes

-51. Study in Brown - Clifford Brown (1955) 7 Votes

-50. The Quintet Live at Massey Hall - Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker (1953) 7 Votes

-49. Lanquidity - Sun Ra (1978) 8 Votes

-48. Light as a Feather - Chick Corea (1973) 8 Votes

-47. Juju - Wayne Shorter (1965) 8 Votes

-46. Empyrean Isles - Herbie Hancock (1964) 8 Votes

-45. The Atomic Mr. Basie - Count Basie (1958) 8 Votes

-44. Jaco Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius (1976) 9 Votes

-43. Journey in Satchidananda - Alice Coltrane (1971) 9 Votes

-42. Free for All - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (1965) 9 Votes

-41. Duke Ellington and John Coltrane - Duke Ellington and John Coltrane (1963) 9 Votes

-40. The Bridge - Sonny Rollins (1962) 9 Votes

-39. The Blues and the Abstract Truth - Oliver Nelson (1961) 9 Votes

-38. Workin’/ Relaxin’/ Cookin’/ Steamin’ - Miles Davis (1956) 9 Votes

-37. Ellington at Newport 1956 - Duke Ellington (1956) 9 Votes

-36. The Epic - Kamasi Washington (2015) 10 Votes

-35. Song for my Father - Horace Silver (1965) 10 Votes

-34. The Sidewinder - Lee Morgan (1964) 10 Votes

-33. Undercurrent - Bill Evans and Jim Hall (1962) 10 Votes

-32. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis (1960) 10 Votes

-31. Blues and Roots - Charles Mingus (1960) 10 Votes

-30. Portrait in Jazz - Bill Evans (1960) 10 Votes

-29. Heavy Weather - Weather Report (1977) 11 Votes

-28. Karma - Pharoah Sanders (1969) 11 Votes

-27. Getz/Gilberto - Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto (1964) 11 Votes

-26. The Complete Savoy and Dial Master Takes - Charlie Parker (1944-1948) 11 Votes

-25. 25. Milestones - Miles Davis (1958) 12 Votes

-24. Red Clay - Freddie Hubbard (1970) 12 Votes

-23. Monk's Dream - Thelonious Monk (1963) 12 Votes

-22. Soul Station - Hank Mobley (1960) 12 Votes

-21. Clifford Brown and Max Roach - Clifford Brown and Max Roach (1954) 12 Votes

-20. Speak No Evil - Wayne Shorter (1964) 14 Votes

-19. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961) 15 Votes

-18. Brilliant Corners - Thelonious Monk (1957) 15 Votes

-17. Maiden Voyage - Herbie Hancock (1966) 16 Votes

-16. Somethin’ Else - Cannonball Adderley (1958) 16 Votes

-15. In a Silent Way - Miles Davis (1969) 17 Votes

-14. Saxophone Colossus - Sonny Rollins (1956) 17 Votes

-13. Out to Lunch - Eric Dolphy (1964) 19 Votes

-12. The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus (1963) 21 Votes

-11. The Shape of Jazz to Come - Ornette Coleman (1959) 21 Votes

-10. Moanin’ - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (1959) 23 Votes

-9. Blue Train - John Coltrane (1958) 23 Votes

-8. Sunday at the Village Vanguard/ Waltz for debby (1961) 24 Votes

-7. Time Out - Dave Brubeck (1959) 27 Votes

-6. Giant Steps - John Coltrane (1960) 29 Votes

-5. Bitches Brew - Miles Davis (1970) 32 Votes

-4. Head hunters - Herbie Hancock (1973) 34 Votes

-3. Ah Um - Charles Mingus (1959) 37 Votes

-2. A Love Supreme - John Coltrane (1965) 49 Votes

-1. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1959) 49 Votes

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link

Heh, that's not as bad as I expected.

Why does Conference of the Birds never turn up in these lists? Or maybe it does and I just haven't been paying attention. Anyway, I love the shit out of that album.

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link

reposting the ILM 250 just so its easier to find and noone mistakes the reddit results

Recap 250-1

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes

49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes
25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes
24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes
23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes
22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes
21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes
20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes

19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #1
18 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's
17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #1
16 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes
15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes
14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes
13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes
12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes
11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1

10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #1
9 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes
8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #1
7 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1
6 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes
5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes
4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes
3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's
2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1

1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969) 3379 Points, 23 votes, 3 #1's

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link

Why does Conference of the Birds never turn up in these lists? Or maybe it does and I just haven't been paying attention. Anyway, I love the shit out of that album.

― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:06 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link

Nm, still too low tho.

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:13 (three years ago) link

Maybe lots of folk will have discovered it since the poll?

I discovered loads of great stuff thanks to it

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link

reposting the ILM 250 just so its easier to find and noone mistakes the reddit results

Oh no, not again! :(

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link

Def prefer the reddit list. I'll show myself out

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link

damn 5th columnists

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link

WTF at only including stuff after 1945? Big band jazz is my favorite jazz.

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 27 September 2020 07:57 (three years ago) link

It took 9 years to complain?

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 September 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link

as I already said many times Tuomas was supposed to run a pre 1945 jazz tracks poll to compliment this one.

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 September 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link

I find that lists like this serve two purposes: as a cross-section of an individual or group aesthetic, and as a guide for new music to listen to. I don't see the point of complaining what's on them or not on them, make your own list if you want a mirror of your preferences.

I also wonder why some jazz fans/historians/critics feel that if you like one strand of this music, you ought to enjoy listening to old records that have nothing in common with your taste. I'm not talking about these records appearing on lists, I mean the outrage when this or that is absent or under-appreciated. Is it because this one hundred years of music is all still called "jazz"? I mean, how would extreme metal fans respond to someone shoving Chuck Berry or Yardbirds records at them, because it's all "rock"?

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link

I thought a big reason why this was post-45 only was that pre-45 stuff would get lost in the shuffle. Better to separate it out and give it the attention it deserves.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link

Indeed, but Tuomas didn't run it but maybe one of the people on this thread bemoaning the lack of pre 45 jazz could volunteer to run it?

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Rude he wrote the theme tune for this board and didn't even place here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8NQgqYoVQ

Stanley Crouch, Monday, 17 April 2023 11:57 (one year ago) link

A short rollout meant that someone had to miss out.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 17 April 2023 13:06 (one year ago) link


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