ILM GONNA CRAWL — Led Zeppelin poll RESULTS THREAD

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Excellent title and picture to start this off.

Part One — Most Hated/Least Liked/Tiredest-Of

Counting down the top 10. There were not a lot of ballots that included the hate! Too much luv for the Zep.

Most tired of for me -- no hate really.

10. "The Crunge" — 11 points (3 votes, one #1 vote)

Crazy talk!

Had a feeling this one would get in. For a funk song, it's not very funky.

Been so busy at work, there's not going to be personalized art for each entry. Haven't even thought about Youtubes.

Its the vocals on that the kind of get at me.

It's taken me years to like "The Crunge", though I don't feel any more strongly than that. Obviously the ending line-->"Dancing Days" justifies my like.

Yeah, thought this might make it, but I didn't put it here. I always thought it worked well on the album, find it fun as opposed to some of the other "genre" exercises LZ got into.

That song was one of the reasons I bought Houses Of The Holy...or, more accurately, De La Soul's "Three Is The Magic Number" was. Still, who can hate "The Crunge"?

I mean, "The Crunge" isn't on my faves ballot either, but it seems so weird for it to be that disliked. More worthy candidates imho.

my sentiments exactly.

Not sure why I put quotation marks around genre, sorry about that. Some people don't like funk in general, which is bizarre as well.

I've been listening to Houses of the Holy a lot lately and this made me put The Crunge somewhere near the bottom of my favorites list. I can see why some people would have some problems with this song though.

It's a fun goof -- it was one of the later cuts from my tracks ballot. All in all, I'm glad it didn't make it (my ballot).

tbh it was my #4 hated---the synth part, *kinda* sounds like a horn, is just wrong.

No unlistenable clunkers in the Zep catalogue IMO (I can't say the same about the Beatles, and *definitely* not about the recently-polled Beach Boys), but I had about four I could do without. Evidently none made the top 10 though.

the crunge got such a weird beat

i really like it tho, the dorky keyboard and all

9. "Friends" — 13 points (3 votes, two #1 votes)

ludicrous

ludicrous

― Euler, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:35 PM (18 seconds ago)

ahahaha, there's going to be a lot of that this week.

OK, I want whoever voted for "Friends" to come forth.

yeah, 72pt WTF here

I voted for "Friends". I like my folky Zep, just not my super twee Zep. But as someone mentioned, these weren't my most HATED, more like the ones I least want/need to hear now.

Friends also made my favorites list, unlike the Crunge though, I don't really understand the hate for this one

Not me, like that song a lot. Bet it is the lyrics that did it for whomever voted. Which, you know, if yer gonna use lyrics as a barometer for not liking a Led Zeppelin song ...

I voted for "Friends". I like my folky Zep, just not my super twee Zep. But as someone mentioned, these weren't my most HATED, more like the ones I least want/need to hear now.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:39 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark

^^^^

How many people submitted a most hated ballot, by the way. Did I miss that tidbit?

yeah, paying attention to Led Zeppelin lyrics is what made me stop listening to them for about 6-7 years. I pretty much completely ignore them now.

xxp

"Friends" isn't twee, it's sinister. It's very easy.

^^^
Exactly, it's dark and foggy, not twee

I usually skip this song but I do like Page's main riff.

I can't think of any "twee" LZ moments. Plant's voice was twee-proof.

Friends just missed my regular ballot

I made a hate ballot as an afterthought; I only remember 2 of the songs I put on it.

Sorry, its hard for me to think of any song with lyrics like, "I'm tellin' you now / the greatest thing you ever can do now / is trade a smile with someone who's blue, now" as "dark" or "sinister".

Yeah, but 'Livin for what you knew' is hauntingly vague.

Tbh I wish I had voted for more songs on III

The closest to twee Zeppelin sounded to me was "That's The Way," and if that's twee, then pour me a big glass of twee.

man this is already crazy as fuckkkkk!

The closest to twee Zeppelin sounded to me was "That's The Way," and if that's twee, then pour me a big glass of twee.

Make that two big glasses.

crunge haters go jump off a confounded bridge IMO

I'll add up the number of hate-ballots and give that number in a little while. I've been putting some lunch together.

Speaking of lunch...

8. "Hot Dog" — 15 points (5 votes, no #1s)

Five #2s for Hot Dog sounds about right

I mentioned this as a throwaway track in the other thread and it kind of is: last song on the first side of the album.

crunge haters go jump off a confounded bridge IMO

― fela cudi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:48 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

otm

Princess, you still planning on doing a tracks ballot?

hot dog is kinda cute

Funny how some of the best compliments you can give The Crunge and Friends is how cool it is when the next song comes on.

I'm not a Crunge hater, but I can see why of all the HotH songs packaged in the first box set, that was the only one that got left behind.

Think how great that album would be if Side One ended with "Houses of the Holy". Physical Graffiti's second side would suffer, but that's beside the point.

Page's worst guitar solo on a Zep record.

Fun song though obviously not intended to be taken seriously. Should have been saved for the Honeydrippers EP where it would have fit in.

"Friends" was in my top 10 though! Guitar lick ripped off from CSNY's "Carry On though", albeit in a modal key

I like my folky Zep, just not my super twee Zep

how is Friends a twee song...? it's a blues riff!

when i hear the crunge i'm all like booooowmp...bowmp-bowmp, bowmp-bowmp...boooooowmp

Friends sounds positively sinister imho

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Gotta admit I voted for this one. Cuteness aside, it did not deserve to make the record. They could have just added 5 minutes to "Carouselambra" instead.

"Hot Dog", that is

Page's worst guitar solo on a Zep record.

yep, noted this on the noms thread. it's pitiful.

how is Friends a twee song...? it's a blues riff!

The lyrics about sharing smiles are pretty twee, imho.

7. "Moby Dick" — 15 points (5 votes, two #1 votes)

WmC i'll give it a shot

#1 votes being the tiebreaker between this and "Hot Dog," obv

Was just listening to it specifically for the solo. A lot of his are rubbish imo - Over The Hills And Far Away runs into the sand horribly in the third quarter, and in that 50s song that was posted on the voting thread yesterday he's such a momentum-killer. Like I say, the weak link.

Would have thought "Hot Dog" would vie for top 3 most hated, but I guess it is so throw-away that it doesn't rankle like what I imagine some of the final most hateds will, like you gotta have more at stake to truly hate something.

Moby Dick as done by a full band is great. 45 minute drum solos not so much.

Moby Dick blatantly only exists to give the other three a half-hour's break to get up to gawd know what backstage.

crunge haters go jump off a confounded bridge IMO

Better than "Bonzo's Montreux"

i did not hatevote for Moby Dick but I probably could/should've...

I think watching Bonham do it on the recent live DVD has reconciled me tot the idea that it may not have been a horrible idea; still helps to sink II though

i voted for moby dick. not a big fan of most drum solos.

"Bonzo's Montreux" is fucking cool IMO. Especially as a tacked on track from a cobbled together record. It's like the Art of Noise before there was the Art of Noise.

Drum solo aside the guitar riff in Moby Dick is just fucking massive. Haters gonna hate, I guess.

If "Moby Dick" had a drum solo like Edgar Winter Group's "Frankenstein" (i.e., shorter) then it would be awesome: great riff and great Page guitar fills in the second iteration of the riff.

There were 37 hate-ballots, btw.

did anyone make a hate ballot and nothing else?

xps The Kinks' 'You Really Got Me' is Page as well I believe - another terrible solo imo. He's good at riffs though.

Otoh Stairway and Achilles are as good as solos get.

The Kinks' 'You Really Got Me' is Page as well I believe

thought this had been pretty well refuted

also that solo is awesome wtf

did anyone make a hate ballot and nothing else?

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:19 PM (2 minutes ago)

Nope.

My favorite thing about the "Stairway" solo is that on his last tour, Zappa covered that song and arranged Page's solo for the horn section to play.

"You Really Got Me" one of the all-time great solos, feeling trumps technique x1000

6. "Whole Lotta Love" — 16 points (4 votes, 3 #1 votes)

i definitely would've put whole lotta love on my tiredest-ofs

Whole Lotta Hate?

Kinda great, stupid riff, admittedly not much else.

Liked this song as a teenager. Listening to the live version on Song Remains The Same kind of soured me on it.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/6SHRFhfeLgY/hqdefault.jpg

Whole Lotta Love condensed to 60 seconds:

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2007/01/one/Chris_T_-_Notta_Whole_Lotta_Love.mp3

(Notta Whole Lotta Love - Chris T.)

This is what my kids' dad is watching late at night in the office after a few Old Milwaukees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThU9BOWcmjM

. Listening to the live version on Song Remains The Same kind of soured me on it.

― righteousmaelstrom, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:34 AM (8 minutes ago)

Inspired by this poll, I tried tuning in to Song Remains The Same on NWI last night... Not a good idea... the LP versions are so much better with the exception of Dazed And Confused which I really was ~feeling~, not sure if it was my cold meds or not.

I love the If You're Going to San Francisco bit, but I'd never be able to find it again offhand and no way am I sitting through the whole thing.

the extended new version of song remains the same is pretty great, lots of the best stuff was omitted on the original release

"Whole Lotta Love"--no! I hate to come on like grandpa here, but hearing it on Top 40 circa '70-71 was some kind of experience.

Gotta leave, earthquake in Central VA and beyond. See you folks later

Are you getting chased out or something?

not to beat a dead horse with a stick but complaining that The Crunge isn't exactly funk is very much like complaining that Ant Rap isn't exactly rap

hammer of the gods scared him off.

Oh dang, the clock got away from me.

Supposedly we felt it in Toronto today (I didn't)--take care...I wanted to play "Whole Lotta Love" in my school morning for student entry, but didn't want to go near the middle section (which makes it too long for an entry song anyway). I spent close to an hour searching for the old radio edit one night and finally found it.

"one morning"

(tie) 4. "Dazed and Confused" — 18 points (4 votes, three #1 votes)

Stay safe, grandavis!

xp this is some bullshit

Is it just me, or does hating this song mean that you hate Led Zeppelin?

Why I didn't vote for Dazed and Confused:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc

I lovelovelove that Jake Holmes album too. I hope he wins the lawsuit he recently filed

I love Led Zeppelin, but I'm iffy on "Dazed and Confused." (I didn't cast any worst votes.) It just kind of gets away from the things I love about them...but I can see where it might affect someone else differently.

TMZ report on Dazed and Confused plagiarism lawsuit

Moby Dick blatantly only exists to give the other three a half-hour's break to get up to gawd know what backstage.

I used to always WTF at talk of this stuff, until I listened to some boots that included, like, 25 minute drums solos and 30 minute versions of Dazed and Confused.

OK, I take that back; I can totally see voting against D&G for it being plagiaristastic.

all of the different versions of Dazed and Confused on How the West Was Won have cured me of ever needing to hear it again, really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJx9BNbzHKY

This most hated track is interesting... I was sticking solely to the studio material but I could def see how live versions of "whole lotta love"/"dazed & confused"/"moby dick" would sway me to these songs.

I've always justified Zep's plagiarism by citing their distinctive musicianship. That is, Bonham ain't plagiarizing anyone, JPJ isn't plagiarizing, an even if Page is ripping people off, he generally doesn't sound anything like the stuff he's ripping off.

even if Page is ripping people off, he generally doesn't sound anything like the stuff he's ripping off

but...but...he's ripping people off.

Jeez, I can't believe that Dazed & Confused plagiarism thing! Did not know that. How on earth did they think they would get away with such a blatant ripoff?

okay now dazed & confused is taking it too far. that song owns bones

Why the hell did that guy wait 41 years to sue, is what I want to know.

Wait, did someone upthread call "Friends" twee!? Do you think Holst's "Mars" is twee, too?

It's even called Dazed & Confused ffs! And now I learn that Page stole it when Jake Holmes was supporting The Yardbirds - that's pretty small, not giving credit.

re: Holmes - eh whatever. as with most every other instance of Zep's plagiarism (Bert Jansch, Sagitarius, Robert Johnson, Memphis Minnie, Blind Willie Johnson, Owen Hand etc) , their version bears so little resemblance to the original it seems pointless to let it interfere with enjoyment of the material. they were musical magpies, their key strength was as able synthesists.

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Seriously, though, if we're really going to get into this plagiarism thing again, it's sure not going to stop here. There are many, many blatant Page lifts.

It's one thing to rip off a 50-year-old blues tune, whose official author is often the guy who first thought to copyright a song that's essentially not all that different from an old folk song that have been around for centuries. It's another to rip off what is clearly an original song written and recorded by someone else two years earlier.

The Yardbirds' version still has most of Holmes' lyrics too.

that's pretty small, not giving credit.

can't help but think that all of Page's years as a studio musician fed into these decisions somehow

Meanwhile, Rick Rubin and the Beastie Boys stand back and say, "No, we think Page was in the right with that Jake Holmes business…"

Other songs that Holmes wrote:

"Be All That You Can Be (In The Army)"!
"Be A Pepper (Drink Dr. Pepper)"!!!

lol, wiki is great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M&feature=player_embedded

I've always justified Zep's plagiarism by citing their distinctive musicianship. That is, Bonham ain't plagiarizing anyone, JPJ isn't plagiarizing, an even if Page is ripping people off, he generally doesn't sound anything like the stuff he's ripping off.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

I definitely agree with this, to a point; after all, they had a specific jumping-off point for their performance, and they claimed they wrote it when they didn't. So, it's hard for me to see hating the music/performance itself, but I can definitely see voting against it because of the ripoff involved.

also is it me or does the Holmes version not contain the most distinctive thing about the Zep version: the descending guitar riff...?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zThdTAWQFAQ&feature=player_embedded

Jingles composed

"Building a better way .... to see the U.S.A." for Chevrolet (General Motors) (1972)
"Be a Pepper" for Dr Pepper (with Randy Newman, 1977)
"Be all that you can be" for the U.S. Army (1979)
"We fly the world" for Pan American World Airways (DATE)
"Raise your hand if you're Sure" for Sure deodorant (197X)
"Aren't You Hungry for Burger King Now?" for Burger King (1981)
"America's Getting Into Training" for Amtrak corporation (1981)[5]
"Come to Metropolitan and simplify your life" for Metropolitan Life Insurance Company (1981)[6]
"Great Moments for You on CBS" for CBS (1982)
"Ah ha, we're sitting pretty, altogether in Schaeffer City" for Schaeffer Beer (198X)
"NBC, Let's All Be There!" for NBC (1985)
"Best a Man Can Get" for The Gillette Company (1988)
"Come see the softer side of Sears, Roebuck and Company" for Sears (19XX)
"With Charmin Ultra, Less Is More" (Cha-cha-cha!!!) for Charmin (200X)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5uMQDlKn8g&feature=player_embedded

I don't see why its so shocking that I would find "Friends" a little twee.

twee [twiː]
adj
Brit excessively sentimental, sweet, or pretty

"I'm tellin' you now / the greatest thing you ever can do now / is trade a smile with someone who's blue, now"

Man it's been years since I had a Schaeffer.

I didn't even know Led Zeppelin had lyrics.

god I have always hated that Joan Baez version of Babe I'm Gonna Leave You. how did people ever tolerate that insufferable warbling.

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I feel bad for Jake Holmes, but are you sure you want to open up that Pandora's Box in the middle of a Led Zeppelin poll?

(tie) 4. "Kashmir" — 18 points (4 votes, three #1 votes)

The Yardbirds - Dazed and Confused (live)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mQvW0ROag

Don't care who Zep ripped off as long as it sounds good.

First hate song I have a major disagreement with.

yeah zep made these songs into new things, but give the author a songwriting credit. you still get all the other money

Don't care who Zep ripped off as long as it sounds good.

^^^OTM. especially in this day and age when no one gives a shit about songwriting in general.

The only way I can understand Kashmir is that you can't stand Robert Plant's incessant caterwauling (esp on live boots where he transforms into a she-cat in heat slowly descending into a vat of battery acid).

Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are.
I am dissapoint.
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10 years ago kashmir would have been in my top 3, kinda burned out on it now but i would never hate it or declare it "bad"

am I the only one who liked "Come With Me"? Thought so.

I didn't hate it, probably in my top 15 Puffy songs.

First hate song I have a major disagreement with.

― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i bought the godzilla soundtrack because i loved Come With Me so much, and i didnt even hear kashmir until years later

disgusting savage itt

10 years ago kashmir would have been in my top 3, kinda burned out on it now but i would never hate it or declare it "bad"

Yeah, this is where I am with Kashmir. It's a good song, but give me a couple more years away from it.

Whoever drew attention to Plant basically being a second guitar on Kashmir, that was a good insight.

Ha, I totally forgot about the Jake Holmes song (which I also really like) when I voted for "D&C" on my favourites ballot! It might deserve it for the bowed guitar anyway.

I didn't submit a hate ballot. However, the vocals on both "The Crunge" and "Friends" took some serious getting used to for me. I like Plant's voice a lot but somehow his shrieking mode doesn't seem to fit those songs as well.

"Moby Dick" was my #1 most hated..."Ramble On" kicks ass & "Heartbreaker" is pretty great but side 2 of 2 is such a drag otherwise.

Don't care who Zep ripped off as long as it sounds good.

― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), den 23 augusti 2011 21:18 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

just wanna second this. even looking at those youtubes i realize that ok, some of these are blatant rip-offs but they all sound so much better than the originals anyway so whatever. if anything more good songs should have been re-recorded with bonham on drums, not less.

jesus can we not turn this thread into zep plagarism debate v. 1234450

3. "Stairway to Heaven" — 21 points (5 votes, three #1 votes)

b-b-b-but we haven't even gotten Bill Magill's insightful opinion yet!

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just wanna second this. even looking at those youtubes i realize that ok, some of these are blatant rip-offs but they all sound so much better than the originals anyway so whatever. if anything more good songs should have been re-recorded with bonham on drums, not less.

Their interpretations of folk and blues songs were brilliant and quite distinct from the originals, even (especially?) compared to e.g. the Stones' version of "Little Red Rooster". However, not giving any songwriting credit (or shares of royalties) was indefensible.

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i would've voted for stairway 3 times if i could've. im not even tired of it, i just dont think its good

However, not giving any songwriting credit (or shares of royalties) was indefensible.

dude heroin is expensive!

Fair point

Interesting Jake Holmes anecdote: In 1966, Jake played guitar for Tim Rose and the Thorns (whose slow-and-heavy rendition of "Hey Joe" is what Jimi Hendrix based his version on). A year later, Tim Rose had a new band with a new drummer: John Bonham! They just missed being in Tim Rose's band at the same time.

Page, of course, is hugely into pursuing Zep bootleggers for their ill-gotten gains.

his shadow taller than his soul

A+

Can't remember how this "Stairway to Heaven" song goes - anyone know it? I'll have to listen to it again sometime. Wonder why they never play it on the radio?

Actually "Stairway" didn't make either of my lists

I voted for Stairway to Heaven on my favorites list. Almost also voted for it on my most hated list.

They ripped this one off from the Butthole Surfers iirc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFDsUgjqIo

I'm only being like this while we're on the hater list.

http://youtu.be/JhKUfiohxEY?t=47s

I'll settle down once we GET THE LED OUT.

"Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You" plagiarism unintentional BTW - Zep got it from Joan Baez, who also didn't properly credit Anne Bredon (not Brendon as video misspells it), because she incorrectly thought it was a traditional folk song of unknown authorship. The credits on both artist's albums have since been fixed.

Kashmir is so long and so played out... there's a reason it is tied with Stairway
I didn't vote for worst song but I would of had both of these real low (like they are here)

errr real high?

Joan Baez' version is so good.

of "Kashmire"?

Would like to hear that tbh.

2. "Living Loving Maid" — 27 points (7 votes, three #1 votes)

^^^ yes

My #2---& like #2, it's shit.

I don't know what's going to win this.

(most hated I mean)

I'll take my hat off to anyone who figures out #1.

are you joking? D'Yer Maker easily.

for real? that song's great, ILM would be mad

i have no problem with this song

Pretty sure it'll be that.

Is it the lyrics that bring 'Living Loving' down for you guys? I think it's a jam

D'Yer Maker was an easy choice for most hated for me

Wiki: It is often noted that this is guitarist Jimmy Page's least favorite Led Zeppelin song, and was thus never performed in concert.,[1] partially because it was written as album filler and partially because Jimmy Page's then-girlfriend Charlotte Martin was offended by it[citation needed].

i actually didnt know it was a separate song from Heartbreaker

i love stairway to heaven to this day...the guitar solo is one of the best, most lyrical pieces of guitar playing ever

i love everything about that song

I lean that way.

yeah, I love Stairway too

was awesome when in Catholic youth group (after confirmation it's not CCD anymore) my teacher put on Stairway & was like, this is a good song for understanding real spirituality

why did Page care what his lover thought? Wasn't she eleven?

2. "Living Loving Maid" — 27 points (7 votes, three #1 votes)

― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:02 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^ yes

― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:03 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

My #2---& like #2, it's shit.

― Euler, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:04 PM Bookmark

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/281akc8.gif

I'll take my hat off to anyone who figures out #1.

i lolled

Oh the suspense. Actually I'm going to go ahead and trot this one out -- I have to go back to work for a while.

lol Alfred

I'll take my hat off to anyone who figures out #1.

I see what you did there

I just listened to Living Loving and I guess I can see it being too repetitive for people

1. "D'yer Mak'er" — 30 points (8 votes, five #1 votes)

PP otm

"Hats Off" is horrible but maybe too minor & forgettable to warrant inclusion here.

Stairway solo a great example (incl. the first two records) of Page's I guess unconventional Tele playing. Lots of his ilk were gravitating toward Strats (which he barely used, I think) and Gibsons (which he used a lot), but not many '70s guitarists, let alone blues-y guitarists, were tearing it up on the Tele.

my list:

poor tom
i'm gonna crawl
the lemon song

p should have put i'm gonna crawl at number one

Boo to D'Yer haters. The band is having such fun.

if you hate "D'yer Mak'er", you must hate Robert Plant as a singer; he makes that song

I didn't vote for "D'Yer" here, but imho, Sheryl Crow ruined it forever.

"Hats Off" is horrible but maybe too minor & forgettable to warrant inclusion here.

You crazy, main!

Stairway solo a great example (incl. the first two records) of Page's I guess unconventional Tele playing. Lots of his ilk were gravitating toward Strats (which he barely used, I think) and Gibsons (which he used a lot), but not many '70s guitarists, let alone blues-y guitarists, were tearing it up on the Tele.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:12 PM (29 seconds ago)

pretty sure most of the LZ solos were done on JP's 59 tele...

Hat's Off was in my top 5. Alfred Lord of Challops got nothing on me.

3rd worst: Nobody's Fault But Mine
2nd worst: Misty Mountain Hop
1st worst: Whole Lotta Love

plus the opening drum roll on "D'yer Mak'er" is fabisimo

Of course D'Yer Maker would be #1. I also fucking love this song so whatever. Hate Stairway btw. OK maybe hate is a bad word but it just never struck me as anything special.

Not a one of my hated songs place. The top 10 must really be hated.

Lots of his ilk were gravitating toward Strats (which he barely used, I think)

Page started using Strats on Presence (where many of the solos sound like, "Hey, look! A tremolo bar!"), and only used them on stage for the Presence and ITTOT numbers.

Ismael Klata, weird question: have you ever played a musical instrument?

wait why do people hate D'Yer Mak'er again? idgi

had a hard time on my ballot balancing undeniable-but-played with matters-a-lot-to-me. in the end i placed stairway a lot higher than i expected i would going in.

don't get hating on kashmir at all tbh. epic is, like, the point of zep?

Page started using Strats on Presence (where many of the solos sound like, "Hey, look! A tremolo bar!"), and only used them on stage for the Presence and ITTOT numbers

their sound seems to change markedly post-PG - this definitely explains some of that. also seemed to become fond of slapback/plate metal reverb on Plant's voice, which sounds much harsher/metallic to my ears.

voted for Moby Dick, The Rain Song, and No Quarter

Guitar, why?

3. Trampled Underfoot
2. Four Sticks
1. Down By The Seaside

Hat's Off was in my top 5. Alfred Lord of Challops got nothing on me.

haha what?

My hate list was Bonzo's Montreux, Hot Dog, Lemon Song

Got to break for an hour or so and do somebody else's paperwork for a change! Back later to count down the top 13 album spots in a field of 12. (yessss)

"D'Yer Maker" has a pretty sarcastic solo, maybe that's the turn-off?

xpost Pretty sure the first two albums are more or less all Teles. Then he goes Gibson, with the occasional Tele detour (like the Stairway solo), then a bit of Strat towards the end ("For Your Life" is total Jimmy + whammy = love).

if you hate "D'yer Mak'er", you must hate Robert Plant as a singer; he makes that song

It's a really nice vocal performance but the song is fluff that seems to get more airplay than any other LZ song ime.

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My most "hated":
1. "Freinds"
2. "Stairway to Heaven"
3. "Hats Off to (Roy) Harper"

PS, this is funner'n hell. I recommend poll-wrangling.

voted for Moby Dick, The Rain Song, and No Quarter

― Darin, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha nice

Separate hated poll was a terrific idea, great for limbering up.

how can a solo be "sarcastic"

how can a soto be sarcastic?

wait why do people hate D'Yer Mak'er again? idgi
--satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier)

didn't submit any hate votes but I think for me it boils down to every time the aor station plays a rock block of Zeppelin, whenever they play this they could have played something that rocked.

may no longer be an issue -- do they even have aor stations any more?

1. Stairway
2. Kashmir
3. In My Time of Dying

The first two are just played out for me. The third even with some kickass Bonham drumming just wrecks the flow of PG, plus it's 11 minutes long. Plant starts vocalizing at the end and instead of singing "...are marching in" it comes out as "oh my cheetah."

"Hats Off" is horrible but maybe too minor & forgettable to warrant inclusion here.

― Euler, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:12 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

noooo because iii is so rad and then you get to this bullshit.

it sounds like it's trying to be half-assed, to make clear that this is just a lark

it's on my regular ballot so don't get me wrong

"Hats Off" is horrible but maybe too minor & forgettable to warrant inclusion here.

― Euler, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:12 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

noooo because iii is so rad and then you get to this bullshit.

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:22 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark

^^^ this guy gets it

my hate list was dazed/confused, u shook me, hats off

xp was talking about the "D'yer Mak'er" solo wrt half-assedness

my most hated:

1. D'yer Mak'er
2. The Lemon Song
3. Since I’ve Been Loving You

my hated list:

Moby Dick
Living Loving Maid (She's Just A Woman)
Hats Off To (Roy) Harper

i always forget about how moby dick is a fuckin' drum solo because the riff is so cool

Ditto Cream's "Toad."

Plant starts vocalizing at the end and instead of singing "...are marching in" it comes out as "oh my cheetah."

Wow I never knew that's what he's supposed to be singing. I always thought it was "Oh my Jesus"

my #1 hate was supposed to be "All of My Love" but I accidentally put another ITTOD track in its place. neither one showed up in the top(bottom) 10

It *is* 'oh my jesus' surely?!

xpost I just listened to it this morning, but you know, you could be right! He does mention Jesus in the song. LOL.

off-topic but w/e: is Plant's voice sped-up on "The Ocean"?

hating four sticks??? misty mountain hop??

wtf have you guys even heard "i'm gonna crawl"? zep at their turgid boring blooze worst except with cheesy ass bad 80s synth sounds instead of 70s production values

barfff

the lemon song is as embarrassing as zeppelin haters say the band is

poor tom sucks cuz skiffle eats it

'down by the seaside' is the only zep song i actively dislike, so i voted for that alone

this thread is already a fucking nightmare to keep up with!

Hm yes, I'm still wondering why my musical career was of interest.

hating four sticks???

Worst Bonham drum sound ever, wherein he traded his Ludwigs for a brand-new set of wet cardboard. Also, can't stand Plant's vocal. I prefer the Page/Plant version. There. I said it.

Crazy Least Likes and Hats Off hate.

Never tired of WLL - that solo is still one of my favourites when I bother to think of guitar solos I enjoy (which is not that often).

My picks were:

1. D'yer Mak'er
2. Hot Dog
3. The Battle of Evermore

I expect I might catch some heat for #3, but fuck Sandy Denny anyway.

i literally just got the D'Yer Mak'er pun

cos it's shit reggae, right?

I've never liked the Battle of Evermore either

'down by the seaside' is the only zep song i actively dislike, so i voted for that alone

aww this one is so piurty

purty

I expect I might catch some heat for #3, but fuck Sandy Denny anyway.

― Kent Burt, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

listen chief why don't you take that back right fucking now?

Yeah I liked "Down by the Seaside" for some reason. That was one of the tracks that jumped out at me during the past week of relistening. Never really rated it one way or the other before.

of course I'd fuck her anyway

i like down by the seaside, it's breezy, like being down by the seaside imo

Down By The Seaside is a good song, can't see how it's worth hating when "Living Loving Maid" persists.

Wikipedia says "Down By the Seaside" is basically their version of Neil Young. Who knew? But it made sense when I listened to the song with that in mind.

yeah I re-listened to it recently for this poll and realize I totally forgot there's that weird double-time interlude in the middle

It's a really nice vocal performance but the song is fluff that seems to get more airplay than any other LZ song ime.

― EveningStar (Sund4r)

didn't submit any hate votes but I think for me it boils down to every time the aor station plays a rock block of Zeppelin, whenever they play this they could have played something that rocked.

may no longer be an issue -- do they even have aor stations any more?

― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.)

^^ both totally OTM. In reality I don't "hate" any Zeppelin (they are probably my favorite band ever. well them or Sun City Girls, I can never decide), but why in god's name "D'Yer Maker" is SO ubiquitous on FM radio is beyond me .. seems a more recent development too, I don't recall it being that overplayed growing up. It bums it out in a way that hearing even "Stairway" for the umpteenth time never does.

sorry, forgot to italicize those quotes

the drum shuffle for which is totally Neil Young & Crazy Horse style wow lol

xp

xxxp

Yes! It's their "See The Sky About To Rain"!

Still don't like it, though. Too long.

"D'Yer Maker," most of IV, "Dancing Days," and "Whole Lotta Love" were the LZ songs I heard most growing up.

I just listened to "The Ocean" again today, and if Plant's voice is not sped up, it's at least put through the same harmonic effect that's on Page's guitar. Which of course may just be multiple guitars harmonizing.

"D'yer" prolly gets so much airplay because reggae=smoking pot=the average listener of the Drive or the Loop.

^^^

Also in an attempt to wash the taste off the Sheryl Crow cover out of our collective mouths. Seriously I know I harp on how awful that version is, but XRT still probably plays it twice a day.

Thanks, Josh! I'm not sure what's going on with his voice, but I'm glad to hear I'm not alone in hearing something going on.

I wish I'd found room for it on my ballot.

love "Down by the Seaside" (I think it's maybe in my top 10?) but I always got a Rolling Stones vibe. seriously, imagine Mick Jagger singing. and Page's fills in between the verses sound like Mick Taylor.

yeah kinda like a chill waiting on a friend type vibe i get that

also: alfred bringing necrophilia to the zep thread o_O

this is the zep thread remember

I do think that Plant's voice is sped up on some of that album, I mean listen to "Song Remains the Same"

listen chief why don't you take that back right fucking now?

Her voice on that track is more grating than 50 sped-up Robert Plants ca. 1973.

high challopin' itt

If In Through The Out Door isn't a top five album now I'm gonna be disappointed.

That's the first Zeppelin album I ever bought because I heard 'In The Evening' on the radio and thought "What the fuck is that?"

So, yeah, I'll be disappointed as well.

I set my MediaMonkey to play Led Zep on random, and at the moment, it's playing Yat-Kha's cover of "When The Levee Breaks" hee hee.

i literally just got the D'Yer Mak'er pun

cos it's shit reggae, right?

It's from a really naff joke, goes like this:

–I took my wife on holiday to the West Indies.

–Jamaica? (D'yer Mak'er?)

–No, she wanted to go.

Oh wow. I never got that, ever, until just now. I feel so stupid.

Of course it doesn't help that every time I've ever heard it pronounced it's been "Dyer (as in one who dyes) Maker".

I just got the thread title, so we're all opening up our heads here.

Album time!

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13. The Song Remains the Same - 0 (zero votes, zero #1's)

Yay?

lol

http://i.imgur.com/fLmMe.gif

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12. Coda - 1 (1 vote, no first place votes)

Everybody gone to dinner and/or Britishes?

not quite yet, but what's there to say about Coda?

It was a posthumous album.

that's for sure

Not much to say here, I think those two have pretty much placed exactly where they should've.

listening to "Moby Dick" right now btw, e.g. wtf @ me

There was a time you had to buy it if you wanted to hear "Wearing and Tearing".

the Beige Bomber

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11. Led Zeppelin (DVD) - 7 Points (1 vote, zero #1's)

Some cheeky Mr. Clever Trousers picked this as their 2nd-favorite album and I thought "ok why not" instead of "no".

He should've put it at #1, it's fantastic.

Man, have an earthquake in town and you really miss some stuff. Already onto albums. Like "The Song Remains the Same" OK, but none of these sniffs the best records.

BTW my hateds were "D'Yer Maker" #1 and "Hot Dog" #2, no number 3 though I probably could have found a way to squeeze one in. The other two were just so obvious to me. When I was young, DJs would announce they were gonna play Zeppelin (all the time of course), and I would get all excited at how lucky my timing was, wondering what awesome shit was gonna come on. I can't tell you how many times that fucking drum fill that starts "D'Yer Maker" would just crush that feeling instantly.

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10. How the West Was Won - 20 points (5 votes, 1 first-place vote)

Not as good as the DVD, but it was my #5

Hate to say it, not going to be able to participate much longer either. Actually never heard How the West Was Won. But yeah, guess I'll have to weigh in on albums tomorrow for the most part. Interested for sure, but the big logoff is imminent.

DVD is fucking unbelievable but it is not an album

I can't hate "D'Yer Maker" when it boasts those drums and that drumming.

My Zep duds:

1. For Your Life
2. Hats Off to (Roy) Harper
3. Darlene

"For Your Life" and "Royal Orleans" - most of side 1 of Presense - are the two Zep tracks I'll never remember no matter how often I hear them. "Darlene" I just find annoying, "Hats Off" a dull album closer that, unlike most Zep blues shakedowns, doesn't really improve on the original in any meaningful way. It's an unsuccessful attempt for a 1970s rock band to make an authentic-sounding 1930s blues record.

"Darlene" I just find annoying

Yeah, this came up on shuffle today and I regretted not putting it on my "hated" list. I know the title is telling me Planty's singing about "Darlene", but my ears are telling me "double-ene".

I can get the love for the drums in re "D'Yer Maker"

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9. BBC Sessions - 31 points (7 votes, 2 first-place votes)

that's that lot out the way

BBC was my #4, West was my #2, both fantastic.

that's that lot out the way

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:45 PM (2 minutes ago)

Yeah, not too many surprises down at the bottom.
Teaserama: there is a 2-point difference between #3 and #2!

i guess i really need to hear the bbc sessions huh?

yes!

I almost put BBC Sessions as my #5 but balked at the last minute.

I'm still working on my tracks. I can't believe the amount of time I am spending on this thing. This is maddening.

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8. In Through the Out Door - 35 points (12 votes, 1 first-place vote)

I never knew about the multiple covers on that one until I was researching for this poll!

I didn't know the bit about being able to bring out full color on the jacket by applying water until ditto!

Shoulda been higher. My 15 year-old self would not have agreed, but this album has grown quite a lot in my estimation

Guys, I just heard The Firm's "Radioactive" again and it's not as bad as I remembered.

I always like the "radioactive" guitar hook

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7. Presence - 65 points (14 votes, 3 first-place votes)

way way way way too low.

(sent my tracks ballot)

not one of the better hipgnosis covers

whatever i love that cover

also i was hoping to get presence and in through the out door higher via my album list but there's no overcoming a narrative

Plz let #6 not be the first album!

WTF?!? Presence placing higher than ITTOD? Insanity.

way way way way too low.

― Stormy Davis, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:19 PM (4 minutes ago)

otm -- my #1

Yeah, again too low.

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6. Led Zeppelin II - 83 points (19 votes, 1 first-place vote)

#6???

it is my least favorite of the numbered albums so i am fine with this

that means all my picks are in the top 5 : )

that's about where i'd put it too, maybe lower

has there been a poll wilder and more contentious than this, even before the main results are announced?

I'd even rank Coda above II.

has there been a poll wilder and more contentious than this, even before the main results are announced?

rap poll? jazz poll has been pretty ridiculous in terms of nominations

it was? i thought that was just 1 guy trolling (the one who nominated new order,steely dan and jazz rap)

oh,yeah, tuomas saying non improvised stuff wasn;t jazz

carry on

Most Hated:

1. In The Evening
2. You Shook Me
3. Achilles Last Stand

im not surprised II didn't do well here as it does get slagged off on ilm by the non-metal people. But I usually is disliked even more on ilm (basing this on being here for 10 years and noone ever mentioning it)

lol 2 of those are in my top 20 liked

Most Hated:

1. In The Evening

Seriously considering never talking to you again, korny.

my hate votes were D&C, Friends and Moby Dick

also really feel like sticking up for "The Crunge" and wishing i'd put it in my top 20

dont worry, it's going in mine

I'll never understand In The Evening or Achilles Last Stand. To me they're LZ at their worst, bloated, pompous and dull.

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5. Led Zeppelin - 102 points (29 votes, 2 first-place votes)

happy that it's rated over II

my #1

My #1 too?

i hate "In The Evening" but i love "Achilles"

i didn't realize how much LZ1 is my favorite of the first three albums until putting together my ballot for this poll

I'm the reverse of that. "In the Evening" was my #1 (I don't guess that's a spoiler, since no one cares). xp

Plasmon, right you are. Your points were included, but I miscounted the number of #1 votes. I'll fix the post above.

i have to admit that achilles has never clicked with me. i keep waiting for the magic moment when it will. i dont hate it though

my top 3 on the metal tracks poll was "Achilles," "Barracuda" and "Run To The Hills" -- i just love that kind of galloping anthem

there just seems like no consensus emerging here from the proceedings thus far, different zeps for different folks

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4. Led Zeppelin III - 175 points (31 votes, 4 first-place votes)

there just seems like no consensus emerging here from the proceedings thus far, different zeps for different folks

That's the cool thing -- for such a relatively small discog, it's like there are four different bands.

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3. Houses of the Holy - 235 points (42 votes, 8 first-place votes)

wau expected that one to take it.
don't think PG will. so IV it is!

hoth woulda been my #1

Mine too, but I've only heard selected tracks after the first five albums.

the ice album hoth

lol

yeah same chap - i'd love to rectify that but i have to ship this sucker off within the hour

III got my vote for #1 album

ok, #2 is going to be followed closely by #1 for obvious reasons

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2. Led Zeppelin IV - 237 points (39 votes, 10 first-place votes)

PG #1, eh?

oh fuck that

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1. Physical Graffiti - 266 points (40 votes, 14 first-place votes)

PG is the weakest double album in the classic rock canon imo

No, I did not vote in the albums poll! (said the guy with 7 PG picks in his ballot)

yeah baby!!!

wow, was my #1 but figured it would be fourth

1) PG
2) III
3) HOTH
4) IV
5) I

PG
III
HOTH
IV
BBC (sort of my sub for I/II)

nutso!

PG is the weakest double album in the classic rock canon imo

dude, there is much competition, especially in the last twenty years.

I would have predicted IV and HOTH in a photo finish with PG a clear third. Houses of the Holy took an early lead but four out of the final six PG votes were #1's.

'classic rock canon' and 'the last twenty years' are mutually exclusive categories

i didn't think pg was going to be my #1, but in going through it over the last couple days it's a fuckin embarrassment of riches.

PG was my #1

mine:

1. Physical Graffiti
2. Houses of the Holy
3. Presence
4. Led Zeppelin
5. In Through the Out Door

physical graffiti being an "embarrassment of riches" otm

"in the light" and "ten years gone" not only on the same album but on the same side

shit is special

'classic rock canon' and 'the last twenty years' are mutually exclusive categories

Now we're playing with semantics. To my ears PG is as uneven as most rock double albums ever released.

Nice!

My list:
1. Physical Grafitti
2. How the West Was Won
3. Houses of the Holy
4. BBC Sessions
5. Led Zeppelin I

well, I can take solace in the fact that my albums ballot -- sent at literally the last minute, Noon eastern, and featuring IV in first place -- pushed IV past the ice planet HotH, thus preventing an intergalactic tragedy from occurring (I can at least accept PG at 1, I used to think that way once.....)

I had to look up HOTH on something called "Wookiepedia" LOL

Recappin'

Least Liked

1. D'yer Mak'er
2. Living Loving Maid
3. Stairway to Heaven
4. Kashmir
4. Dazed and Confused
6. Whole Lotta Love
7. Moby Dick
8. Hot Dog
9. Friends
10. The Crunge

Albums

1. Physical Graffiti
2. Led Zeppelin IV
3. Houses of the Holy
4. Led Zeppelin III
5. Led Zeppelin (s/t)
6. Led Zeppelin II
7. Presence
8. In Through the Out Door
9. BBC Sessions
10. How the West Was Won
(11. LZ DVD)
12. Coda
13. The Song Remains the Same

I can understanding hating Stairway for being overplayed, but to objectively think it is "meh" is just insane...

per the 'four bands' comment upthread, there are Zeps that a lot of people love/prefer that "Stairway" doesn't really represent at all, so i can understand it (although i have no problem w/ the song and put it in my top 20)

I should of voted albums. My top 3 would of contained Houses, IV and II

My #1. Love it to death.

1. Physical Graffiti
2. Houses of the Holy
3. Led Zeppelin III
4. In Through the Out Door
5. Presence

I love II, I not so much...although how you cannot like Dazed and Confused and still like Led Zeppelin (let's say the Tim Hardin original didn't exist) is totally beyond me (excessive overlong live versions excepted)

d&c is just plodding w/none of the groove that makes their good rock songs good. also "soul of a woman was created below" fuck that.

IMHO, II is kinda played out at a radio level, even moreso than ZOSO (if that's possible...).

i think that's true.

also "soul of a woman was created below" fuck that.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:50 PM

nah it's just the most irritating sexist led zep line imo

ALBUMS
1. PHYSICAL GRAFFITI
2. HOUSES OF THE HOLY
3. LED ZEPPELIN III
4. IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR
5. CODA BECAUSE I'M CRAZY

1. Physical Graffiti
2. Led Zeppelin IV
3. Houses of the Holy
4. Led Zeppelin III
5. How the West Was Won

I would have put IV or maybe III at the top until I re-listened for this poll.

[x-posts]What about "big leg woman ain't got no soul"?

Coda over I makes you a fool in the rain

^^^^ a koan

nah it's just the most irritating sexist led zep line imo
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:54 PM (20 seconds ago)

Not that it's exactly the same, but the blues must really irritate you. and the Stones!

since I was gone all afternoon, here's my relevant part of the ballot:

FIVE BEST ALBUMS

1. In Through The Out Door
2. Physical Graffiti
3. Led Zeppelin III
4. Houses Of The Holy
5. How The West Was Won

THREE MOST HATED TRACKS

1. Dazed And Confused
2. Dancing Days
3. The Battle Of Evermore

I would have voted the DVD my #1 album but it isn't an album. That thing is MASSIVE.

lots of competition for "most irritating sexist led zep line" ... I'd have to consult "Whole Lotta Love"

Not that it's exactly the same, but the blues must really irritate you. and the Stones!

― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:57 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're totally right which is one of the reasons i don't listen to either of those things!

3. The Battle Of Evermore

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nooooo

I hear you on Coda, but I'm pretty tired of hearing all the blues covers they did on I.

Also, I used to work at a GET THE LED OUT classic radio station, and one reason why "D'yer Maker" is so overplayed on those things is because it's a "hit" that's only 4:30 long, pretty short by Zep standards.

Guarantee you never heard "D'yer Maker" and "Good Times, Bad Times" in the same rock block.

that's true Brad--sort of the locus classicus in that regard!

Is it out already that I fucking hate Fool In the Rain?

Also, I used to work at a GET THE LED OUT classic radio station, and one reason why "D'yer Maker" is so overplayed on those things is because it's a "hit" that's only 4:30 long, pretty short by Zep standards.

dude this explains so much

Hard to say who's more sexist, Stones or Zep although the former seem truly nastier, if less vulgar

it's prob a tossup but zep made a lot more interesting music so i can deal with most of their shit

OK, OK, I'll move on, but is there any more sexist song than "Under My Thumb" between the two?

TamTam's ballot arrived with a minute to spare. Polls closed -- 65 ballots received. Great turnout!

3. The Battle Of Evermore

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nooooo

― call all destroyer

Just to let people know, my dislike (hate is far too strong for any of my "most hated") is not because of Sandy Denny. It's everything except Sandy Denny that I find annoying.

how many did Pavement get?

57

Zep is now the single-artist poll champion.

Ha, I thought you said 67.

And Prince Steven doesn't even like LZ, iirc...awwwwww!

OK, OK, I'll move on, but is there any more sexist song than "Under My Thumb" between the two?

― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:04 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nope!

I wanna change my votes

I can understanding hating Stairway for being overplayed, but to objectively think it is "meh" is just insane...

― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:39 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

i like the part where they rock out at the end but the rest of it bores me. also sorta like people were saying with Dyer maker, every time it comes on the radio i lament the lost opportunity to play some totally slammin zeppage instead of this goopy crap

dazed & confused was one of the first zep songs that really captivated me and it's still hard for me to hate that bowed guitar + dope bassline, plus plant sells the hell out of those crummy lyrics

it is a good plant vocal performance; prob best thing about that song.

anyone who hates D&C is dead to me

albums:

1. BBC Sessions (who was the other person who had it at #1?)
2. Led Zeppelin
3. Presence
4. Led Zeppelin IV
5. Physical Graffiti

PG is loosely packed with goodness, but it really does just feel like a collection of songs to me, and unlike a lot of double albums of its era, I rarely feel the need to listen to it from start to finish. For a monolith, it doesn't seem terribly monolithic. Which is fine, since at this point I don't really listen to Zeppelin on an album by album basis, anyway. I just listen to Zeppelin, and sort of think of it as one big, long album.

shit i'm dead to Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker

me too.

I listened to PG on cassette, which means that Kashmir ended, fading into Bron-Yr-Aur. Flip the tape over and In the Light shimmers out of nowhere only to fade out into Down By the Seaside. Pretty mellow way to get from Kashmir to Ten Years Gone and before you know it, Black Country Woman's playing and damned if you haven't listened to the entirety of Physical Graffiti already one more time.

3. The Battle Of Evermore

― EZ Snappin

Person with a vagina...in my Led Zeppelin record?

haha

> 1. BBC Sessions (who was the other person who had it at #1?)

That was me. I'm also the one who put the DVD on my albums list (sorry — that thing's often conflated with HTWWW).

It was interesting to discover when I started playing the bass several years back just how many of my favorite Zeppelin tunes are JPJ jams. His basslines are some kind of Bach Etude/Mr. Miyagi exercise for the rock bass. So rational yet so funky. The groove he sets for however many dozen bars during the D&C solo section makes my hand cramp just to think about.

I think JPJ wanted to leave LZ at one point to become the choirmaster at Winchester Cathedral, so I assume they offered it to him? Pretty wild...

I probably would of had The Song Remains The Same soundtrack in my top five just because it has the best renditions of Rain Song and TSRtS (that I know of)

The LZ songbook was the first one I got when I started learning bass tab at age 17. I remember some of those change-ups during the guitar solo that taught me a lot about how to keep it interesting.

I've also bored many an innocent bystander in my house with endless How Many More TImes riffs.

Check out the version of TSRtS on LZ DVD. It's an easter egg on one of the menu screens, shot with fan footage from what looks like a theater balcony. Sets the place on fire.

3. The Battle Of Evermore

― EZ Snappin

Person with a vagina...in my Led Zeppelin record?

― buzza

Shoulda read further down the thread and you'd see it wasn't Denny that bugged me. But good try anyways.

don't take it personal, just a bit of vagina meme fun

yah, wasn't implying you were anti-woman or anti-vag ; )

Sorry - unfamiliar with meme, seemed dumb and rude in light of other comments. No biggie.

OK, OK, I'll move on, but is there any more sexist song than "Under My Thumb" between the two?

― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:04 PM

what is sexist exactly about the rolling stones' under my thumb?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/blues-singers-woman-permitted-to-tell-her-side,472/

Please, I was under the thumb of call all destroyer, don't blame me!

EZ's hatevotes literally almost made me cry.

I'm thinking I should do a Battle of Evermore vs. Planet Caravan poll...

Very surprised at these poll results. Never realized D'Yer Ma'ker was so hated. How can you resist those DRUMS? Those awesome drums? John Bonham was the real genius in the band. Or maybe that was more Eddie Kramer's doing, making the drums sound so good. Whatever. Those solo drum fills on Dyer Maker, man, I practiced those things religiously on my Pearl five-piece back in my drumming teenage days. I used to think In Through the Out Door had the best drum sound in rocl music history, but after re-listening to Houses of the Holy, I'm not so sure. Fool in the Rain vs. Dyer Maker? South Bound Suarez vs. The Ocean? I'm Gonna Crawl vs. The Rain Song? Quite a battle.

Bad Zep? I pretty much agree with the general consensus that they completely and totally sucked live, and I haven't listened to the Soundtrack to the Song Remains the Same in forever, and I of course didn't even come close to buying that How the West Was Won monster box set that came out a couple years ago and was inexplicably praised to high heaven when it came out. Doesn't it have like a 99% rating on metacritic? Anyway, on the studio album front, I never really was all that big a fan of Physical Graffiti which makes the results of this album poll that much more puzzling. Jimmy Page wanted to make a double album. Unfortunately he didn't have enough songs. So he made each song as long as humanly possible, and holy fuck is In My Time of Dying a chore to sit through. Oh you ILMers with your zany techno microhouse music you just love repetition don't you? See if you're gonna make an epic ten-minute song, give it some different musical sections, some variety, like your Carouselambras or your How Many More Timeseses. Either that or start out with a nice mellow acoustic part and then after that gets going four about three minutes have Sir Bonzo come in with a rockin' fatass beat and the feel of the song completely changes and then three minutes after that it's total rock action (see Stairway or The Rain Song for these examples). But no, In My Time of Dying and, to a lesser extent, Kashmir on the same album, does stays the same all the way through

What's that song on Coda that is just annoying Plant wailing for three minutes? That's the worst Led Zeppelin song of all time. I think it was the one they were going to release as a single in response to punk rockers calling them dinosaurs. Zep IV shoulda totally walked the albums poll you people are being way too contrarian for your own good. I agree with what that Pitchfork write said about Zep IV in their best albums of the 70s poll how he felt so embarrassed that it only ranked number... hang on let me check wikipedia... seven. and number one was david bowie's low??? tossers. zep ruled though. i don't listen to the radio anymore, so i never hear the "get the led out"s, i'm happy to say. so i still have yet to grow tired of and who sounds like 'em now? nobody! they have to be one of the least influential bands ever, considering their popularity. and as the credits to "boogie with stu" indicate, they could even dole out some songwriting royalties every now and then if they felt like it.

best albums: in order: zoso, i, ii, iii, in through the out door

worst album: physical grafffiti (unless song remains he same counts)

Hi

ok, I have data-wrangled all evening and have the lineup. Going to count down the top 55, 20-20-15.

I've been up since 4 a.m....so fried.

mr snrub = longest-running sockpuppet?

― mookieproof, Friday, October 31, 2008

ok that onion article is the funniest thing ever.

obviously not in sync w/hivemind:

1. II
2. I
3. Physical Graffiti
4. IV
5. Houses of the Holy

Glad we all agree.

I didn't vote for most hated, but this is my albums ballot:

1. Houses of the Holy
2. Led Zeppelin III
3. Physical Graffiti
4. BBC Sessions
5. Led Zeppelin

IV - III - Houses - I - In Through The Out Door

Well, seeing as we're all Zep made up, it seems, last night I dug up this for a listen..

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GRBGY1XTL.jpg

It's great! (mostly)

I'd probably throw No Quarter in there as well if I was doing it today

my top 5 albums: Houses, IV, II, I, Presence

My most hated:

1. Friends
2. Tea For One
3. Walter's Walk

As mentioned above, not because I "hate" them as such, but because if I need to hear LZ right now, those are probably the three I'm least likely to pick.

My top albums:

1. IV
2. Houses of the Holy
3. Physical Graffiti
4. In Through The Out Door
5. LZ I

I can't hate "D'Yer Maker" when it boasts those drums and that drumming.

― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

YES. Especially the way Bonham's bass pedal and hi-hat work in the breaks makes you think the song is falling out of time or changing the downbeat around, but it isn't -- it's rock-solid 4/4.

Good morning! Time for some tracks.

55. "Thank You" (from LZ II, 1969) — 162 points (10 votes)

WmC you are a real trooper. Hope the rollout goes smoothly for you. Really excited for it, hopefully no earthquakes will hit Central Virginia today and I can really dig into it.

Whoa, and just like that, first track, which I did not vote for. OK song

Good way to open the countdown! It was my own #20.

I'd say this is definitely my favorite song on II. Still didn't quite make my ballot.

Not a favourite, but pretty much the best thing on II and the version on No Quarter is nice.

54. "Celebration Day" (from LZ III, 1969) — 178 points (9 votes)

this song has been stuck in my head for two days, but i did not vote for it.

Fresh off its victory yesterday...

53. "D'yer Mak'er" (from Houses of the Holy, 1973) — 180 points (10 votes)

Aha! Was wondering why you'd gone for a top 55.

I didn't vote for Thank You, but after listening to it again I could have replaced it with something else in the lower reaches of my ballot. Nice song. Celebration Day and Dyer, on the other hand: Well, let's move on.

hahaha, that's a fortunate side effect -- mainly wanted to make Friday's results a little shorter so everyone can get on with their weekend. My first thought had been a top 60.
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i don't hate dyer maker but glad it didn't place higher than this

hey wmc how many songs are there total?

Thank YOU, WmC, for doing this--you've given us some real fun here!

cad -- 86

ok thx!

Six of which received no points.

52. "The Lemon Song" (from LZ II, 1969) — 191 points (10 votes)

uggh, above "D'yer Mak'er", what is this world coming to