Revelation - Official ILX Pet Shop Boys tracks poll results

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Over the next few nights I'll be unveiling the results for the Pet Shop Boys tracks poll.

There were 32 voters, who voted for 136 tracks. Tonight I'll do 50-31, 30-16 tomorrow and finally the top 15 on Wednesday.

Hopefully, you'll find it as enjoyable to read as I did compiling it and relistening to their work. There's several gems I was blissfully unaware of so if nothing else it was worth doing it for that reason. There's a few surprises (to me anyway) and as you'll see some of the results are a bit nip and tuck.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

going to miss this tonight because of US independence day festivities but have fun!

skip, Monday, 4 July 2011 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

We don't even start with them...

50. I'm Not Scared (Eight Wonder). (1988, Collaboration. 69 Points, 4 votes, 0 number ones

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/6ffj9gcxAThomdhLW6HiNd

Random Internet Fact. #1 in Italy.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

49. Do I Have To? (1987, B-Side, 76 points, 4 votes, 0 number ones)


Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/1Wu8EqeV0JfLl3hcezx9bh
RIF:Inspired by Chris Lowe's frequent complaining when on a promo tour in Japan.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 19:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I forgot to mention at the start, if there are any ties they will be decided as follows; by number of number one votes, number of voters, which track gets the highest placing in individuals ballot, alphabetically.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 19:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Love that this thread has it's own PSB name. A good one too! The boys would approve.

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

48. To Face The Truth. (1990, Behaviour, 77 points, 3 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/78GoyurUrxm4X2kG6pnp5T

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

47. Liberation. (1993, Very, 81 points, 4 votes, 0 number ones)


Spotify:http://open.spotify.com/track/2DnvlQI1kYMTBaxJpfAMz8

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

46. A Red Letter Day (1996, Bilingual, 83 points, 4 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/3XQTpx2DHsBE3xuXZCFJdW

RIF: Single debuted at #9 in the UK, but fell to #42 the following week, at the time the largest drop in chart history.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

probably beaten every week since

Ismael Klata, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

LOL at their clothes in that To Face The Truth screenshot.

Liberation made my "short"list of ~70 but that's the only one so far.

skip, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm feeling very sheepish, incidentally - I couldn't sing a note of these so far.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

You'll definitely be able to sing this one..

45. Where The Streets Have No Name (I Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You). (1991, standalone, 87 points, 4 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/2TNRmSMJzsweYzWXHi28r2

RIF: Following the release of the single, U2 issued a statement saying "What have we done to deserve this?"

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

I completely forgot to vote for Where The Streets Have No Name, one of the greatest cover versions of all time.

All good songs so far, I'm wondering if this maybe the first poll I like every song that places.

Kitchen Person, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

44. Love etc. (2009, Yes, 94 points, 5 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/58aYg1HRp6muVAWaSPLLKD

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Bono has ended a simmering feud with the Pet Shop Boys over their cover version of one of U2's best-loved songs.

He was appalled after they turned the 1987 hit "Where the Streets Have No Name" into an instant camp classic by adding their own vocals and a pumping disco beat.

The Irish rockers issued a statement soon after the Pet Shop Boys version was released, declaring: "What have we done to deserve this?" But speaking about the spat for the first time this week, singer Neil Tennant insisted he had managed at long last to patch things up with Bono.

Peace was declared after a bizarre encounter at Elton John's mansion in the south of France, which ended with Bono and the English pop duo jumping into the swimming pool from a first floor balcony.

Asked about claims that Bono and Edge had been gunning for him, Tennant told music magazine Q: "I'd read things in the press.

"Anyway, we met Bono at Elton's and he was a bit funny at the beginning but he was really friendly. It all ended with a competition. He kept saying, 'It's rock versus pop.' At the end of the meal he jumped into Elton's swimming pool from the terrace and to his evident surprise I jumped in as well. So he said, 'OK. Rock one -- Pop one.' It ended as a draw -- quite rightly so."

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

43. Some Speculation. (1993, B-Side, 4 votes, 0 number one votes)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/3SiFFfmFac2OEM51SEKQbt

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I was really underwhelmed with Love etc. when it came out but it grew on me so much and I love it now. It was the exact opposite of what happened with I'm With Stupid which I can't even listen to now.

Kitchen Person, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, agree with that. 'Yes' has really grown on me as an album.

oppet, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

42. It Must Be Obvious. (1990, B-Side, 98 points, 5 votes, 0 number one votes)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/5zlTMICphPXPL9n7k585KV

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh, only saw this thread now due to Gubke mentioning it in the nomination thread!

Frogbs Day Afternoon (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

41. It Couldn't Happen Here. (1987, Actually, 105 points, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/2QqPaaNdbpgNMot5WKw9y5

RIF:The title is borrowed from Sinclair Lewis's 1935 novel 'It Can't Happen Here'.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

Love etc. is a solid track. The only thing I don't like is the melody in the first verse which follows the synth motif and totally doesn't work. Strange, considering how Neil Tennant described Xenomania as somewhat obsessed with finding the best melody for a song.

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

First of my picks to appear!

oppet, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

and here's your second:

40. Miserabilism. (1992, B-side, 106 points, 6 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/20GBfHqwta4csdKTDVjZ9F

RIF: The song is sung from the viewpoint of cheeky chappy Morrissey.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Thought this one might be higher. I thought it would be the highest B-side to place.

Kitchen Person, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

39. Losing My Mind (Liza Minelli). (1989, Collaboration, 109 points, 0 number one votes)

Scroll to 8:45 to avoid Wogan.

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/2loMPlz3JWjFGF6fPoiSoo

RIF: Minelli's biggest chart hit in the UK, #6 in August 1989.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've a big fan of "Some Speculation" - that galumphing Patrick Cowley bassline that comes in alongside the brisk percussion (esp. around the three minute mark), married to the dreamlike menace of the synths and Neil's vocal ... they've written some fantastic songs about gossip, but unlike the bitchiness of others this captures an ambient dread. "What's your game? What's his name?"

etc, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Love etc.: Enjoyed it greatly at the time and if anything it has grown on me. The space around those soft bass thumps is massive - it's like they found a whole new layer of sound to play with, using the same old tinkly stuff at the top to the super low bass. Miserabilism has a similar sonic palette but everything feels crammed into the midrange by comparison. The "Yes" bonus disc version of this is also solid.

Some Speculation: also voted for this, not exactly the biggest dancefloor banger in the world but I love the main riff, and the lyrics are about as biting as they come.

Miserabilism: I was expecting this to be in my top 10 but it ended up not even making the ballot. Not sure what's missing - maybe the verse is a bit weak, and the backing track too one-note. Can't take anything away from the chorus though.

skip, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

The full length commentary they recorded for Yes was really funny and interesting too. Definitely made me enjoy the album more.

oppet, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

38. My October Symphony. (1990, Behaviour, 116 points, 5 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/23jXBMOpIlhh3yH4ySSBPC

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Where can I find that? Didn't know it existed. (xpost)

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

So far, two Behaviour tracks I wasn't expecting to appear. I wonder if the "obvious" ones will show up too.

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

commentary on spotify here: http://open.spotify.com/track/7w9AsZpoehCjItgDZwJ7TG

oppet, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

My ballot was full of obviousness (only one thing I've voted for has shown up so far).

I really love the lower regions of these polls—especially for bands with which I'm not already a know-it-all—because I get a really good setting to check out songs I've only ever heard a couple times or not at all and appreciately them differently.

Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

37. It's Alright. (1988, Introspective, 118 points, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/5qhZObqAsOcnKWvknSPSfA

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Thanks opplet.

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Don't know if I've ever sat down and listened to this track closely. Very similar to a lot of the Release stuff that people love to slag on... [xpost to My October Symphony]

skip, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

xxp
Should be 118 points, 4 votes, 0 number ones.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Was it news to anyone else that It's Alright is a cover?

skip, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Nope! I read the Discography liner notes when I got the tape in '93.

Most of these B-sides were on my ballot.

"Love Etc" and "Minimal" are the best of this their autumnal period.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

Should have voted for It Couldn't Happen Here. Wonderful song.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Didn't vote for this, but pleasantly surprised how high it is.

36. The Truck Driver and his Mate. (1996, B-Side, 120 points, 6 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/2LHGm35sLk2yfQ6HdLjCKg

RIF: This is based on the slogan for 'Yorkie' chocolate bar, "Big enough for the truck driver and his mate."

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

^^^ one of mine. Love the guitar riff (played by Tennant).

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

great guitar line in this one. My #16.

skip, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

35. One More Chance. (1984/1987, Actually, 123 points, 5 votes, 0 number ones.)

and the original Bobby O mix

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/28h0GZFHrgVZ0WWiOHSZCU

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 21:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Truck Driver was my number 3, really happy to see it has other fans.

Kitchen Person, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Truck Driver is an extremely complex song - goes from minor to major multiple times and has some seriously screwy chord progressions and seeming key changes. Somehow everything ties together but it has B-side written all over it. It kind of reminds me of "Cold Sweat" by James Brown, which is probably ridiculous but there you go.

skip, Monday, 4 July 2011 21:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

34. Your Funny Uncle. (1988, B-side, 124 points, 6 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/05ohJ9ImZinFRQt4ZBpSWm

RIF: The song is inspired by the funeral of Neil Tennant's friend Chris Dowell whose death also inspired their song 'Being Boring'.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

the highest b-side on my ballot. kind of expected it to be higher, tbh.

Gukbe, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

33. I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give It Any More. (1999, Nightlife, 129 points, 6 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/5EBSLmkX5qsuCrWAooatKL

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

^^^^^ LOVE that tune.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Amazing single, was shocked at the time how badly it did. It's still their lowest charting lead single from an album which is tragic.

Kitchen Person, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

I go back and forth on whether Nightlife or Fundamental is their best post-Very album. Nightlife is one of those period albums whose importance in my life squelches its chart record.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

32. Try It (I'm In Love with A Married Man). (2003, Disco 3, 136 points, 5 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/4y0OgNrR076xLFSZWSuCa9

RIF: This was debuted in their only session for John Peel in October 2002, which can be downloaded from here.

It's also a cover of a Bobby O production from 1984.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is "You Only Tell Me You Love Me..." going to outrank this? "Don't Know What You Want" is more profound both lyrically and musically. great track.

skip, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

'It's Alright' higher than 'My October Symphony'? First WTF moment in this poll. 'My October Symphony' was my #02! Sheer pop perfection.

Frogbs Day Afternoon (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

I voted for "Drunk". Might have even been top 10.

Gukbe, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Both are career peaks: "I Don't Know What You Want..." has a marvelous disco vocal and "You Only Tell Me" is perfect acoustic singer-songwriter melancholy.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I go back and forth on whether Nightlife or Fundamental is their best post-Very album.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

That's exactly the same with me they are both really good records, easily ahead of the other three albums.

Kitchen Person, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

^ Oh I think I had to leave "Try It" out of my ballot. :( It's so great!

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

^ Oh I think I had to leave "Try It" out of my ballot. :( It's so great!

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

oops

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

31. We All Feel Better In The Dark. (1991, B-side, 138 points, 1 number one)

Spotify:http://open.spotify.com/track/2wqs78KoxpDHR0JgWA0bJx

RIF: The song is inspired by a tape titled 'The Secrets of Sexual Attraction'. which Chris Lowe bought at a health food store.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Going back to 'Try It', I wasn't aware it was a cover at the time, but they do a fantastic job of turning a fairly routine hi-nrg piece into something quite strange and magical.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

not really feeling "Try It". nice production though.

I think of DJ Sprinkles when I hear "We All Feel Better in the Dark". And those have to be some of the most obviously 'dirty' lyrics in the PSB catalog.

skip, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, that's your lot for the night. 30-16 tomorrow.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Did everyone hear "Try It (I'm In Love With A Married Man)" off Disco 3 - one of the best later PSB songs I've heard, very hypnotic and melancholy.
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:53 (7 years ago)

I'm always amazed at how terrible the Oh Romeo original is, considering how much er questionable Bobby 'O' productions I have time for (his James Brown ripoff, etc).

etc, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

I find both Fundamental and Nightlife disappointing. A couple of very strong tracks but everything ranges from so-so to kind of awful.

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

*everything else

daavid, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Glad "One More Chance" got some other votes - love the original mix to bits'n'pieces; Neil is still singing with a slight goblinoid/Almond sleaziness, and there's some fantastic synthesized "Streets Of Cairo"-esque public domain motifs garnishing the track.

etc, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

I love "Your Funny Uncle" to pieces, though it always wrongfoots me - to me the title suggests it'll be about a black sheep in the family, the bachelor relation that "never married" etc; instead it's a straightlaced uncle in the military behaving decently at the funeral of his gay nephew.

... oh dear, it seems like one of Keane are covering it on YouTube.

etc, Monday, 4 July 2011 22:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

god the 'admit you love me and you always did' part of Red Letter Day never gets old

I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Monday, 4 July 2011 22:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wow, a goodly chunk of my ballot was taken care of in the lower reaches (Liberation, It Must Be Obvious, It Couldn't Happen Here, Miserablism, My October Symphony).

Re post-Very records, I like both Nightlife and Fundamental a hell of a lot more than I did a week ago. I suspect that had something to do with relative under-exposure, so I have this poll to thank for rehabilitating them in my mind. On the other hand Bilingual and Release now still seem weaker than I had remembered.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 4 July 2011 23:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Release has three songs and the rest is filler.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 July 2011 23:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

god the 'admit you love me and you always did' part of Red Letter Day never gets old

Elton John said this song saved his life (tonight).

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 July 2011 23:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

I really should have voted for "Your Funny Uncle". The actual verse about the funny uncle is deeply affecting today.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 4 July 2011 23:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Recap of 31-50.

31 We All Feel Better In The Dark B-side 138 6 1
32 Try It (I'm In Love With A Married Man) Disco 3 136 5 0
33 I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give It Anymore Nightlife 129 6 0
34 Your Funny Uncle B-side 124 6 0
35 One More Chance B-side 123 5 0
36 The Truck Driver and his Mate B-side 120 6 0
37 It's Alright Introspective 118 4 0
38 My October Symphony Behaviour 116 5 0
39 Losing My Mind (Liza Minelli) Collaboration 109 6 0
40 Miserabilism B-side 106 6 0
41 It Couldn't Happen Here Actually 105 5 0
42 It Must Be Obvious B-side 98 5 0
43 Some Speculation B-side 98 4 0
44 Love Etc Yes 94 5 0
45 Where The Streets Have No Name(I Can't Take My Eyes Off of You) Standalone 87 4 0
46 A Red Letter Day Bilingual 83 4 0
47 Liberation Very 81 4 0
48 To Face The Truth Behaviour 77 3 0
49 Do I Have To? B-Side 76 4 0
50 I'm Not Scared (Eighth Wonder) Collaboration 69 4 0

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 09:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

I remember playing my pop-hating grandma Your Funny Uncle when it came out and even she was moved. It might have been the lines from Revelation that did it.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 11:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol, of course I was the only one to list "We All Feel Better In The Dark" as #1

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 11:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I had it as my #3, and almost ranked it higher

I DIED, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 12:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think I might have cut it from my last 25

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 13:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Can we post our ballots when it's all done?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 13:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't know if I should be concerned that so much of my ballot is showing up or psyched that I am so clued into the ILX PSB hivemind

btw if "Domino Dancing" is the highest-placing single I will hate all of you all day all day

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 13:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

I was going to post a link to the google spreadsheet if no one objected, anyone who's keen and a bit more spreadsheet savvy could then have a play about with the figures.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 13:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

btw thank you all for reminding me that "I Don't Know What You Want But This Song Title Just Isn't Long Enough" is fucking great, I often overlook it in the sea of "For Your Own Good"/"Closer To Heaven"/"New York City Boy" that surrounds it

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

The "For Your Own Good"-"Closer To Heaven"-"I Don't Know" sequence is so good that I stop listening at this point. I'm helped by the fact that "Happiness is an Option" is a fucking dog.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, 4th track on that album is an instant fast-forward. But what a group of first three tracks.

What does everyone think of "In Denial"? I am kind of partial to it despite the obviousness, sentimentality etc.

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 14:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

Love In Denial. Almost voted for it. I may be in a minority there.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 14:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's okay at best. I'm more taken with "Boy Strange."

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 14:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

I dig it's way-over-the-topness.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 14:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

my favorite parts are the line "who in his pathetic own way denies he's gay" to describe the boyfriend and the turnaround at the end when the daughter asks if HE can still love HER. Very sad situation and thankfully increasingly less common.

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 14:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

On the later albums, I'm drawn to the more overt storytelling - I Get Along is another favourite. In Denial is such a wonderful, economical character study.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Running Spotify playlist here ppls: http://open.spotify.com/user/dalzinho/playlist/727ciD0cHSADIUd8tircRX

scotstvo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

4 of mine so far (one more chance, losing my mind, i'm not scared, i don't know what you want etc). amazed there was only 32 ballots tho, thought that if there was one poll on ilm that would see a big turnout it would've been this.

second only to popcorn (or something), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 15:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is "In Denial" the only PSB song that explicitly uses the word gay?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 15:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

wow a lot of Nightlife love on here, i thought i was on my own with that. easily their best album after the early 90s i think. massively under-rated.

piscesx, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 15:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

I agree with that; it certainly sticks in my head more than subsequent albums, which all contain songs I like but rarely go back to.

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, expected a few more ballots, especially since Pavement got 60+. Nothing from Geir which surprised me.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 15:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

Been listening to Actually today and struck by how great the rhythm programming is. The beats on Rent and What Have I Done to Deserve This are so unusual and distinctive. I think they lost something when the pumping 4/4 became their default setting. I voted for Was That What It Was not for the songwriting or Tennant's weird, out-of-tune vocal but the programming. I used to listen to that over and over. Giant drums! Orchestral stabs!

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 16:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

was THAT what it was?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

what are ppl's guesses for highest-charting single/b-side/album track?

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

PANINARO OH-OH-OH-OHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Album track - King's Cross? Dreaming of the Queen? This Must Be the Place?
B-side - Paninaro
Single - I can see Being Boring being the consensus choice. Is there any PSBs fan who doesn't rate that?

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like "Being Boring" a ton but it didn't make my ballot

personally I'm hoping for "Rent"

I agree with "Paninaro" and "King's Cross"

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

people don't like Liberation?

gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't. Their first really bland song.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

One moral I've drawn from this wretched record: don't have high expectations of pop stars. Despite their protestations, they'll never fail to let you down. Despite myself, I'll seek solace in my beloved Gay Dad album.

— Paul Cooper, November 2, 1999

omar little, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've learned to like it over the years. I love his falsetto and the line about his lover sleeping on his shoulder.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

tbh I first "Liberation" as an excerpt from the E-Smoove remix on Disco 2 and have never been able to reconcile that monster stomper with the gentle album track

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wither Shameless?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure "Shameless" will pop up later (although I'm bummed that if it does appear, it will be higher than "We All Feel Better In The Dark", "It Must Be Obvious" and "Some Speculation")

really hoping others are as infatuated with "Don Juan", "Jack The Lad" and "You Know Where You Went Wrong" as I am

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

I ended up going for Absolutely Fabulous and Bet She's Not Your Girlfriend over Shameless, though neither of the latter two made my final ballot.

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

You know what track we missed at first?

"Decadence."

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

I cut Shameless, Don Juan and YKWYWW at the last minute, regrettably. Problem is PSBs have so many unfuckwithable singles that I didn't have enough space for B-sides.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've said this before but I really really really really wish "Domino Dancing" and "Don Juan" had been flipped on the single

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean not enough space for all the B-sides I love - I still voted for 5.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha I voted for 9

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

My #1 is a B-side.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad someone else voted for "Was That What It Was?". Don't expect it to make it though. I'm still hoping the other "I'm Not Scared" charts though. The "cannons" sample intro is incredible.

My top predictions:

B-Side - Paninaro
Single - Being Boring
Album track - 2/0

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

surprised that no one is picking West End Girls for top single.

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Paninaro was a single, wasn't it?

Gukbe, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think WEG IS their best single. But "Being Boring" has always been the fans' favourite.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

xpost - Sort of. Paninaro '95 was.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

TS: Paninaro '95 vs Freedom '90

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Paninaro I love was never a single.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

I may be the only PSB fan who never wants to hear "West End Girls" again.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

I always think that until I actually hear it.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'd rank the Please singles "Love Comes Quickly" > "Opportunities (Let's Make Lots Of Money)" > "West End Girls" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Suburbia (single remix)"

Had they used the album version of "Suburbia" as the single, that would have been my favorite.

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like it but for many years it was the only single I heard on the radio; when I finally heard the rest of their catalog I never returned. I prefer "Opportunities" and "Loves Comes Quickly." The latter I've criminally underrated over the years until it snuck up on me recently and just made me cry.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

LQC is such an astonishing song, it angers me that it never took off in the US

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

"West End Girls" = best song ever recorded (by anyone)

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Now I think, "This is how falling in love sounds like."

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hello I just got here. I'm glad some of my selections already showed up ("Do I Have To?", "Liberation", "Your Funny Uncle") and some cuts I really love but couldn't vote for made it as well ("A Red Letter Day", "Some Speculation", "IDKWYWBICGIA").
I voted for 7 B-Sides. I'm pretty sure the #1 will be a single. It's one of two choices.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

30. In The Night. (1985, 157 points, 7 votes, 0 number ones)

http://open.spotify.com/track/5BCAYcnudrhGaasMSgfTqa

RIF: Written by Tennant after reading David Pryce-Jones' book about Paris during the German occupation of World War II and in particular 'les Zazous', the young non-conformist sub-culture who were inspired by jazz and swing music.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

hott

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

lots of great remixes of this one.

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

For the full version:

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

This might be their sexiest song.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

I love the version on Disco

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

29. Jealousy. (1990, Behaviour, 158 points, 9 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/2fllZbKFjKd2jSpsjsHnL6

RIF: This was the first song Tennant and Lowe wrote together.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

For some reason I always thought In the night was a cover. Didn't make my ballot but came close.

oppet, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

man, these guys have a great great catalog

I am pretty certain only one song I detest will appear on this list

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

The uploader has not made this video available in your country.

first time I've seen that message on youtube

Josef K-Doe (WmC), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

I see that all of the time, mostly because 90% of the official Cure videos throw it up

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

28. Flamboyant. (2003, Standalone, 161 points, 7 votes, 1 number one)

http://open.spotify.com/track/7vo6qo8LPbxE1R4cijH2Dp

RIF: Is featured in the skiing film 'Turbo', (nope, me neither).

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

27. I Want To Wake Up. (1987, Actually, 162 points, 6 votes, 1 number one)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/3UVVJpL04BCkJhDY56NXwO

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes! Didn't have room for it in my ballot, but I think it's great. Especially the Scissor Sisters remix. (x-post)

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

My friend was all "wtf" when he saw "I Want To Wake Up" on my ballot. Guess he was wrong.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

26. I Want A Dog. (1988, B-Side/Introspective, 169 points, 7 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/7lu2tLkqGZe3lRAV1J6ZX1

RIF: Tennant's homage to Iggy Pop.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

and Johnny Marr's favorite PSB song!

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

25. I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing. (1993, Very, 189 points, 9 votes, 1 number one)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/0drsf7gl9GaqXH9Ry5gv7s

RIF: The only video to feature the Boys running.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

My #2. Such a great happy song. The album version is my favorite.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

I had no idea I Want a Dog was so popular.

Good to see Flamboyant make it, I wonder if that will be the highest of the later Pet Shop songs? Maybe Minimal will make it, I'm hoping The Way it Used to be will be in here somewhere.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Next up, my number one.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

I voted for quite a few later songs, including "The Way It Used To Be".

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm still hoping Fugitive will make it.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

24. Young Offender. (1993, Very, 194 points, 7 votes, 1 number one)

http://open.spotify.com/track/2mW9NoDYvVCz4wxixsGYjf

RIF: This pisses over the track with the same title by New Order.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

This almost made my list, really love this song but I already had five songs from Very in my list.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

So far, only 3 songs from my ballot.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'll do what you want if you want me enough
I'll put down my book and start falling in love

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Next up, a song we've already had.

23. I'm Not Scared. (1988, Introspective, 195 points, 8 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/1nBb2RD977IqXEY3yWxjBW

RIF: Written by Tennant after successfully overcoming his agoraphobia.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

daavid, I put Fugitive high on my ballot so you never know.

Only paid attention to Young offender after people were hyping it for the poll. Like it a lot.

oppet, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Awesome. I voted for most of this batch. But... inexplicably, I'm not sure I've ever even heard "Flamboyant" before!!!

xpost: would never have guessed there was this much love for "I'm Not Scared" in any of its incarnations.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm Not Scared my number 5, Young Offender my number 2.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

xxpost fingers crossed!

"I'm Not Scared" so far my favourite song on the list

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dan, look away now.

22. Domino Dancing. (1988, Introspective, 195 points, 10 votes, 0 number one)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/2ttsl8yf9YJhlHEUKobmeJ

RIF: Their last US Top 40 single.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

The version of "I'm Not Scared" on Introspective is majestic in the right way. Love the rising and falling sequencer line.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lots of Introspective in the last few tracks. My favorite PSB album but I think I only voted for WEG and Domino Dancing.

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

omfg

it didn't make the top 20

really really really happy (because I knew it was going to show up; I was dreading a top 5 finish)

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think DD would make it! Pleasantly surprised.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Domino Dancing is my favourite PSB video.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I wanna BE in that video!

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

21. Suburbia. (1986, Please, 205 points, 9 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/5pe3YdqFq6jUc4WardZgto

RIF: Inspired by the Penelope Spheeris film of the same name.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

such pretty people

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

20. Se A Vida É (That's the Way Life Is) (1996, Bilingual, 215 points, 9 votes, 1 number one)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/3CDWeAFgNs5lUsPCySDSxK

RIF: The translation is incorrect and should be 'If Life Is'.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

can I just say the Deep Dish Liquid remix of this is FANTASTIC

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

think I Want To Wake Up was my number one vote... TOO LOOOOW

I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Domino Dancing RIF (#2): Title inspired by Chris being upset from losing at dominoes. Never thought of this before but the line "...or are you just a bad loser" is probably a reference to that.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

19. Home And Dry. (2002, Release, 216 points, 10 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/0ZlVW64JVzh7QXKAwfza1t

RIF: Chris's spoken "We're going home" near the end of the song is a conscious nod to Paul McCartney's matching spoken words at the end of the Beatles track "Two of Us."

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 mins into this deep dish rmx and...woah.

oppet, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah! tbh this was the first version of "Se A Vida E" I heard and is what I always think of when I think of the song

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

At this point it seem very likely that all tracks on Introspective will chart.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Huh. Only three of my songs have placed so far. Seems to be the way with me and polls - my choices either make up most of the top 20 or don't appear at all.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

18. Go West. (1993, Very, 223 points, 10 votes, 1 number one)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/3kkwL9s48fjogUXKfbLgqx

RIF: This song is played whenever SSC Napoli win a home game.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Glad to see something from Bilingual show up. I never knew people rated "Se A Vida É". Was it it's inclusion on the last tour that helped it? (x-post)

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Always loved it. Wasn't it their biggest Brit hit from the album?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Nice video too, filmed in Florida.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

I rank Se A Vida E behind the first three songs on Bilingual but it's a solid track. Funny how closely the first few tracks on Bilingual mirror Nightlife, with #4 being a total dud.

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

IIRC ppl have been all about "Se A Vida E" since it came out (that was why I originally sought it out, which lead me to that Deep Dish remix)

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Home and Dry" was one of only 3 21st century choices for me. One-phrase-repeated choruses always have the potential to annoy but this keeps on giving. Hadn't seen this video until this week though. Fabulousness.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

That's your lot for tonight. I'm up early tomorrow and need my beauty sleep. 17-1 tomorrow evening.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

tbh I have never really "gotten" "Go West"

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

Se A Vida É is a lovely song and so much better than Before which is a contender for my least favourite single of theirs.

I really don't understand the appeal of Home & Dry, it's the first song in the list I'm pretty disappointed to see place.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

This is worth checkinhg out:

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

who voted for "It Always Comes As a Surprise"?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

OK here goes my top 10 prediction and back to work:

10 - King's Cross
9 - What Have I Done To Deserve This
8 - Left To My Own Devices
7 - Love Comes Quickly
6 - Rent
5 - Always On My Mind
4 - Paninaro
3 - Can You Forgive Her?
2 - West End Girls
1 - Being Boring

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

The miners' choir in that vid is breathtaking. xpost

scotstvo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

I really like "Se A Vida É", but it would probably come 7th or 8th for me on Bilingual. (x-post)

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

New York City Boy is a far superior take on the Go West theme.

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

^^^^ agreed!

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

"New York City Boy" got a fair amount of airplay here -- without checking I think it's their biggest American crossover hit since the early nineties -- but I know a lot of rong people who think it's rather tacky.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

That would be me. I find it a bit PSB-by-numbers and much less moving than Go West.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't understand that at all. There really isn't anything about "Go West" that doesn't make me roll my eyes to the point of sprain.

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

As someone in a (superficially) similar life situation as the video's main character when the track came out, I don't have a problem with the tacky obvious parts of New York City Boy. But it sure isn't the most subtle thing in the world. With Go West, the listener does get to fill in the blanks a little.

skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

(I hate the original too so it isn't totally PSB's fault)

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

You have to at least give them credit for taking a genuinely joyful and optimistic track and turning into something rather mournful without actually changing much.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've never liked Bilingual, but look forward to pulling out Nightlife and Fundamental again.

Interesting fact: PSB one of the few bands my wife and I love equally, can listen to every day, any time. It's true!

Other true fact: PSB my cousin's fave act besides Pearl Jam and Rush (!).

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

You have to at least give them credit for taking a genuinely joyful and optimistic track and turning into something rather mournful without actually changing much.

I have never gotten "mournful" off of their version of "Go West", including the listen I just gave it to see if I'd changed my mind (I hadn't).

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

It was a really significant cultural moment here and I can't quite remember why.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

if you don't like go west you don't get the pet shop boys

jabba hands, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Didn't it accompany their official coming out? That was how it was pitched over here, anyway.

also jabba is completely OffTM

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

I definitely detect a tinge of sadness/hopeful melancholy in "Go West."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

;)

jabba hands, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I definitely detect a tinge of sadness/hopeful melancholy in "Go West."

that is largely because of what Neil Tennant's voice sounds like, IMO

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

I can buy that. But not everything he sings is steeped in melancholy. Compare this song to something like Se a Vida, for example.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Nice run tonight! Bit bummed that "I Want To Wake Up" placed so low though.

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

xxpost It's not super obvious, context is an important part of it: The gay utopia thing gone sour because of AIDS and the fall of the Soviet Union and communism... but I sort of agree with jabba hands, it's all in Tennant's voice really.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

wait, how did the fall of the Soviet Union make gay utopia go sour

(I do remember subtext around HIV/AIDS now that you mention it)

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

wait, how did the fall of the Soviet Union make gay utopia go sour

It made English departments in American universities the only places to fuck self-avowed communists.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

Unrelated. They thought of it in the context of AIDS, but then they thought it could also apply to the demise of the communism, which was happening at the time. They went with that idea for the video.

daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

I wish allmusic could find a better intro to the PSBs than this:

Postmodern ironists cloaked behind a veil of buoyantly melodic and lushly romantic synth pop confections…

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 08:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

fuck adverbs

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 12:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

okay which ILXor wrote that

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 13:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, I don't hear much of anything mournful in Go West, either.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 13:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

I guess you could interpret it as an impossible fantasy of escape from a shitty situation.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 13:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Translated into English, "Postmodern ironists cloaked behind a veil of buoyantly melodic and lushly romantic synth pop confections" means "English faggots."

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 13:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Satiric and irreverent -- yet somehow strangely affecting -- Pet Shop Boys transcended the seeming disposability of their craft, offering wry and thoughtful cultural commentary communicated by the Morse code of au courant synth washes and drum-machine rhythms."

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Please stop ("yet somehow strangely affecting "!). btw that AMG profile is at least ten years o.d

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Go West" absolutely has a mournful side to it, a lot of it stemming from it being a cover. The original was about pre-AIDS San Francisco, and their 1993 cover is a kind of bookend. In a deeply ironic and moving way, it's like they're angels of death singing this song. My #1.

Lazy Lay (Eazy), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

They're basically doing a gay version of Randy Newman's "Sail Away."

Lazy Lay (Eazy), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

(And I can't stand synth-horns, but "Go West" and Jane Wiedlin's Fur get around that.)

Lazy Lay (Eazy), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hear a song
That's the bomb
If you don't get the mix
It's gone eighty-six

These lines in NYCBoy make me cringe a bit, like Neal is reaching for, but not grasping, some sort of "authentic youth culture."

I prefer "Go West," but regardless of preference they're very different songs. NYCB is a coming of age song, it celebrates individual freedom. GW is about solidarity, community, a collective freedom.

Megadeth Monk (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

You know what other song I missed that I wish some of you mentioned? "Was It Worth It." It gets better with each listen.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Didn't they leave that off PopArt because it was their first single not to make the Top 20? Amazingly, only two subsequent singles (Numb and Did You See Me Coming?) have missed the Top 20 and both did better than Was It Worth It?

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Recap 50-18.

18 Go West Very 223 10 1
19 Home and Dry Release 216 10 0
20 Se A Vida E (That's The Way Life Is) Bilingual 215 9 1
21 Suburbia Please 205 9 0
22 I'm Not Scared B-side 195 8 0
23 Domino Dancing Introspective 195 10 0
24 Young Offender Very 194 7 1
25 I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind of Thing Very 189 9 1
26 I Want A Dog Introspective 169 7 0
27 I Want To Wake Up Actually 162 6 1
28 Flamboyant Standalone 161 7 1
29 Jealousy Behaviour 158 9 0
30 In The Night B-side 157 7 0
31 We All Feel Better In The Dark B-side 138 6 1
32 Try It (I'm In Love With A Married Man) Disco 3 136 5 0
33 I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give It Anymore Nightlife 129 6 0
34 Your Funny Uncle B-side 124 6 0
35 One More Chance B-side 123 5 0
36 The Truck Driver and his Mate B-side 120 6 0
37 It's Alright Introspective 118 4 0
38 My October Symphony Behaviour 116 5 0
39 Losing My Mind (Liza Minelli) Collaboration 109 6 0
40 Miserabilism B-side 106 6 0
41 It Couldn't Happen Here Actually 105 5 0
42 It Must Be Obvious B-side 98 5 0
43 Some Speculation B-side 98 4 0
44 Love Etc Yes 94 5 0
45 Where The Streets Have No Name(I Can't Take My Eyes Off of You) Standalone 87 4 0
46 A Red Letter Day Bilingual 83 4 0
47 Liberation Very 81 4 0
48 To Face The Truth Behaviour 77 3 0
49 Do I Have To? B-Side 76 4 0
50 I'm Not Scared (Eighth Wonder) Collaboration 69 4 0

17-1 coming up soon. If you want to try predicting the top 10, now's the time to do it.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

OK then. No particular order:

Being Boring
West End Girls
Rent
What Have I Done to Deserve This?
Always on My Mind
Left to My Own Devices
It's a Sin
Paninaro
So Hard
Can You Forgive Her?

Further down: Drunk, Dreaming of the Queen, Zero, King's Cross, This Must Be the Place… and some other stuff

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

I am still holding out hope for appearances by at least one of "Don Juan", "Jack The Lad" and "You Know Where You Went Wrong"

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'll add Opportunities and Shameless to the predictions list for the full 17.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

in order: West End Girls - Left To My Own Devices - Being Boring - Rent - What Have I Done To Deserve This? - King's Cross - So Hard - Can You Forgive Her? - Paninaro - It's A Sin

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

gah, that's practically the same ten

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Funny that Fundamental has been rated higher than Release and Yes and yet it doesn't look to be represented in this poll.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's a much stronger album but it doesn't have a standout track - I could have voted for Integral, Indefinite Leave, Casanova in Hell, Sodom and Gomorrah or Minimal but ended up choosing none of them - whereas Release and Yes have obvious highlights and a fair few duds.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

17. So Hard. (1990, Behaviour, 223 points, 10 votes, 1 number one)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/7imWD2KFgk54awjfjmK3cJ

RIF: The track contains a sample from a porno movie featuring a woman moaning the title.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

I voted for "Minimal", as I think that's one of their strongest singles in a while. I was tempted to vote "Casanova in Hell" for the Rufus Wainwright version, but I don't guess that would have gathered much steam.

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Aah, I didn't vote for it, and I didn't expect to see it here, but it's always been one of my favourite singles by them. I think the "so whose matches are those" line is what made me realize I really loved the band back when I was first listening to them.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Also, isn't that Gazza's daughter in the video?

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Me too. I also love the contrast between all the different elements in the arrangement - it's almost too cluttered but it works.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

I didn't end up voting for "So Hard" but it is a great, great song

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

This was in my head for days while making the poll. Very scattershot track but every part of the chorus is seriously catchy and the bass line is awesome.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

while making my top 20 I mean

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

16. You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk. (1999, Nightlife, 235 points, 10 votes, 1 number one)

Spotify:http://open.spotify.com/track/0lu6VJmIZSC5hPAfpLo4Xp

RIF:The godlike BJ Cole provides the pedal steel on this track.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

^^^^^^ can imagine Merle Haggard covering it.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Listened to this a lot recently and seriously considered it for my #1. I think my love for Joe Meek swayed me towards it as much as the song itself.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

"What a performance tonight" - "dissing him like a punk" - sorry, I can't see Merle singing those line. I'm always reminded of this bar in Atlanta that has line dancing - it's like the theme song for the queeny country boy.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

This is the kind of song that means I get angry when people call them post-modern ironists. There's a mile-wide streak of emotional vulnerability in their songs. I think Disappointed is one of Tennant's quintessential titles. His heartbreak songs are rarely angry or vengeful or melodramatic - they're disappointed.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

OTM. It's just a beautiful song.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

xpost

Yes, absolutely. There's a vein of pomo irony in some tracks, one coming up soon, but 'Drunk' is cards on the table, heartbreakingly honest.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

"What a performance tonight" - "dissing him like a punk" - sorry, I can't see Merle singing those line.

this is the guy who sang "Footlights" and "How Did You Find Me Here." Drop the "g" in "dissing" and he's in business.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

15. Opportunities (Let's Maker Lots of Money). (1985, Please, 237 points, 11 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/31gybC6HkcvWvHHaAckY9K

RIF: Chris Lowe came up with the hookline "I've got the brains, you've got the looks, let's make lots of money."

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Guys, check out this live version from 1986 – both Neil and Chris play!

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

this was my #2, seems low. Then again I didn't grow up with it and haven't heard it played to death.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

I bet this song gets on the PSBs' nerves sometimes. I remember this and Shopping being hugely misunderstood by people who only listened to the choruses. Meanwhile half the people who did understand them tagged them as postmodern ironists for ever more.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Another fun fact: the only hit that charted higher in America (#10) than England (#11).

I never heard it as much as "West End Girls," which might explain why I always perform it at karaoke.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

This is the first song I ever knowingly heard by them, and even then I didn't catch their name and it was months before I figured out who it was. I saw the video when MTV2 premiered.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Big jump in points from now on.

14. Can You Forgive Her? (1993, Very, 253 points, 12 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/3NIX0G2ajYENIRQzhLQ4Ua

RIF: The title is borrowed from Anthony Trollope's 1865 novel of the same name.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't going to vote for it, but the "cricket pavilion" line is just too good.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Opportunities and Shopping are great political songs. Also, Integral. Not I'm with stupid though.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've come to really like "I'm With Stupid" over the past few weeks, after years of really disliking it.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've gone the other way. Liked it first time around, but relistening to Fundamental this week it was one of the weakest tracks.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

Whatever Tennant-Lowe say, I still hear "I'm With Stupid" as a love song, not a "political commentary" (yes yes love is politics).

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

a sequel to "Young Offender" or "Boy Strange."

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

Can You Forgive Her is too low

gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp When they'd done the political-alliance-as-love-affair thing so well with I Get Along I don't know how they could have done it so lamely with I'm With Stupid. And the Little Britain video too - ugh.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

top 13 and 13 left of my list still to show up. guessing viva le vida/domino dancing and miracles are gonna be the let downs. still holding out hope for the way it used to be tho.

xp. i want to wake up is FAR too low.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

13. Two Divided By Zero. (1986, Please, 266 points, 11 votes, 1 number one)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/64MccFRFPz3xAxwwTLp1hu

RIF:The 'computer' voice is sample from a talking calculator Tennant bought for his father.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

TOO LOW

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I think "Two Divided By Zero" is all one needs of the Pet Shop Boys.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's got everything: compelling synth pattern, awesome percussion, great Tennant vocal, and a pocket calculator sample.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Chris Lowe is pretty hunky on the Please cover huh?

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

12. Heart. (1987, Actually, 272 points, 10 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/6N5n6vJeOGNAoVXEMW833i

RIF: Was originally intended to be used in the Spielberg produced film 'Innerspace'.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is one of the few remixed singles of this era where I didn't despise the single version as compared to the original

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lowe was at his hunkiest in this period:

Rowr.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

i have no idea how 2/0 didn't make my cut tbh. was in my final 25 or so and then... i don't know. how did Heart not make the top 10? one of their most perfect pop moments and one of neal's best vocals.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

11. This Must Be The Place I Waited Years To Leave. (1990, Behaviour, 287 points, 13 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/5vFdU5glHeNZQ9pchLzBGG

RIF: The backing track was originally used when trying to do the theme tune to the 1987 Bond film, 'The Loving Daylights'.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

neil wtf (xp)

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hell yes. Used to be my favourite Behaviour track until I got older and Being Boring sunk its teeth into me.

Even when it came out and I was a total PSB stan I thought Heart was too lightweight, especially compared to the three Actually singles that preceded it.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Behaviour is getting a ton of love.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

I thought Behaviour always got a ton of love

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Heart was never one of my favourites at the time but it's really grown on me recently.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Heart does seem a bit lightweight in comparison to these other tracks but it's so damn catchy

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

The bit in Heart where the song LITERALLY SKIPS A BEAT is one of my favourite PSB moments.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ha, not sure why I never thought of the full stop as skipping a beat. Those clever Boys!

Vinnie, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Behaviour is getting a ton of love.

― skip, Wednesday, July 6, 2011 9:32 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

And it should! Nearly all songs on that album could place in a top 50 imho

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like these surprising songs popping up, or rather, at surprising places. If this top 50 were a tracklist, from front to back it would be A+.

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

10. It's A Sin. (1987, Actually, 296 points, 14 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/6vYK729O29XnvQqPWyLPfe

RIF: The Latin text Tennant says at the end of the song translates as "I confess to almighty God, and to you my brothers, that I have sinned exceedingly in thought, word, act, and omission, through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault."

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Behaviour has so many great songs. I was hoping "Nervously" would make it, but it's unlikely now. (xpost)

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

We're going to be pretty firmly in Singles territory now, right?

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

"King's Cross" still has a shot

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Nervously was in my top 10 iirc

xxp

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

I predict at least two non-singles coming up.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

"King's Cross" still has a shot

― DJP, Wednesday, July 6, 2011 9:48 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark

"Still has a shot"? King's cross damn well be top 5 ffs!

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

hoping King's Cross flys the flag for the album tracks. ha xxp.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

What about "Dreaming Of The Queen"? It has to show up too, doesn't it?

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I wonder why wasn't King's Cross a single? Or anything else on Actually. After a no. 1 it's pretty much a no brainer to release another single from the album.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't think DOTQ will show up.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Massive jump in points here.

9. Love Comes Quickly. (1986, Please, 355 points, 14 votes, 0 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/7ARLgcWkYVvngfkKHxgXQq

RIF: Roxy Music's Andy MacKay plays saxophone at the end of the song.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

<4

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

such a fantastic song, that competes with "Rent" as my favorite of their singles

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Heart" was the album's FOURTH single (and it hit #1, to their and everyone's surprise).

Tom Ewing's take last year: http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2010/06/pet-shop-boys-heart/

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

My number three... all time favourite

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Next, the highest placed b-side.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

8. Paninaro. (1986, B-side/Disco, 396 points, 17 votes, 2 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/6dQr87kRxbz2ZLwQSyFemr

RIF: Dylan Jones writing for i-D magazine mistakenly stated that the Boys had written a song called 'Paninaro', when in fact he'd mistaken what he read in a 'Rolling Stone' article about them. When Tennant and Lowe read the article they realised it would be a great idea and using a previous backing track penned this homage to the Italian youth cult.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

yay but ;_;

y'all should relisten to "Don Juan" and "Jack The Lad"

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

Very surprised "Shameless" didn't even place.

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm not, tbh; the problem with doing a song like that is that people will go "yup, that song is totally shameless" and move on to other, more nuanced fare (like "Go West", lol)

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

POM-POM-PORORUM, POM-POM-PORORUM = BEST. INTRO. EVER.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Next, the highest placed album track.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

7. King's Cross. (1987, Actually, 409 points, 15 votes, 2 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/7gRWAZMjr7uk4Eqic9MGPO

RIF: Following the King's Cross underground fire in November 1987 there was a suggestion that the song be released as a charity single, which the Boys resisted. Some funds were raised when Smash Hits created a premium cost phone line for people to listen to the song.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp So Dylan Jones made himself useful for once.

xxp I used to be able to recite the Latin bit from It's a Sin. The remixed live version on the last tour was astounding.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Paninaro was my number one. What an amazing intro, and you get a real sense of how the group's sound changed from the early version and moving through the remixes. '95 should be played at every gay club every night.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

(xp) Oooh-ah-ah, Oooh-ah-ah, Oooh-ah-Oooh is also GREAT.

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Some funds were raised when Smash Hits created a premium cost phone line for people to listen to the song.

classic

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

King's Cross is one of the great 80s protest songs.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

armani, armani, ah ah armani

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Not sure how anyone can listen to the original "Paninaro" and not get up to dance.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

6. Left To My Own Devices. (1988, Introspective, 411 points, 15 votes, 2 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/3IV99EaS0TrwHdjgjlnlFz

RIF: The 'party animal' referred to is English music journalist Jon Savage.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

well done plucky King's Cross :)

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

the way this song stretches out on Introspective is so good - it's like you're hanging out with some spoiled, pretty guy, slightly bored, slightly drunk, shooting the shit and trying to sound smart. Neil's spoken vocals are perfect.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

looks like no surprises in the top 5.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Next, one of the greatest cover versions ever done.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

5. Always On My Mind. (1987, Standalone, 525 points, 20 votes, 1 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/6ZCX3XnzYWsqqQKg9pVts9

RIF: Their best selling single in the UK.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

What's left? West End Girls, What Have I Done to Deserve This, Always on My Mind, New York City Boy, Being Boring?

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Next, one of the greatest cover versions ever done.

Fixed.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

it'll be Rent instead of NYCB.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Love that well over half of us voted for "Paninaro", more than any of the big hits so far.

xpost: except AOMM!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Voted for On my mind/in my house version, in a moment of bravado/lunacy.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Possible controversial placing, which I'll throw open for discussion. Their were two votes and 49 points given to Always On My Mind/In My House, which would have given a total of 574 points and 4th place. However using the same logic for Viva La Vida/Domino Dancing I marked it seperately.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ewing's take

My number 1.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

"In My House" isn't really a song, is it? I would've just counted it as a remix. It doesn't make a big difference anyway.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, I would have counted those votes with Always on My Mind. No biggie though!

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

My favourite review of AOMM by Tanya Headon.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of reviews this is what Melody Maker wrote about it:

"The lousiest, most ham-fisted idea that Pet Shop Boys will ever have... they sound like they want to get it all over and done with so Neil can fit in his X-mas shopping."

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, moving on.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

4. West End Girls. (1985, Please, 541 points, 20 votes, 4 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/0By5MDC5oK9gYHy8Qe0MZz

RIF:The only UK and US number one to be inspired by T.S. Eliot's poem 'The Wasteland'.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey sound like they want to get it all over and done with so Neil can fit in his X-mas shopping."

how is this a bad thing?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

What? Was not expecting that at all!

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

re WEG

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

More proof that I'm out of touch: "King's Cross" is great, I voted for it, but I had no expectation of it being that high.

xpost: A full three songs did better than WEG! Also surprising.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

gonna be boring when "Being Boring" wins this but yay "Rent" getting top 3

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

not sure how you can leave this out of the top 20 PSB songs but #4 is still a high placement.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I said it before, but having been pretty tired of that track for a number of years, I heard it again this past week and it is just too unfuckwithable not to vote for.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

maybe not surprised West End Girls wasn't top as some seem tired of it now. i never could be, it was the first and it'll be the last, my number 1.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol I didn't vote for WEG even though I love it

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

that's just contrarianism gone mad.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

I didn't vote for it either.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

(a) I'm not that wowed by it (b) 98% of voters would have voted for it anyway.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Next up the top 3 and there's not a lot in it.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

WEG is a great song but I can absolutely name 20 PSB songs I like more, especially when you factor in Alternative.

I would have picked "Opportunities" before I picked WEG (though in practice I picked neither; did vote for "Love Comes Quickly" tho)

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Genuinely quite excited. Come on Rent.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Now I'm rooting for WHIDTDT to beat "Rent" though it probably won't happe

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

hope Rent wins now yeah.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

nonono come on WHIDTDT?, "Rent" should be #2

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

(since it's a given "Being Boring" is #1)

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

I didn't vote for WEG either and now I feel I should have really.

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

I feel more of you should have voted for "Don Juan"

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

I dunno, i find "Rent" a little bland tbh. Great track and all but not a top 3 for me.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

still hoping "Comrades!" might sneak in ftw

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've got this sinking feeling
I'm not dreaming
We'll be sorry soon

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

3. Being Boring. (1990, Behaviour, 607 points, 22 votes, 4 number ones)

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/6K7uuzEC4I4BCEDNIcS8ky

RIF:Originally started as an attempt to write a Stock, Aitken and Waterman style pop song.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

wait WAHT

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

omg I love you guys

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

So I see what's happened here. A lot of people didn't bother with WEG assuming it wouldn't need any more votes. See what you've done?

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

Originally started as an attempt to write a Stock, Aitken and Waterman style pop song.

Wow, did not know that, It doesn't sound like SAW at all!

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Genuine shock here.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

RENT FOR #1

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

I now feel like anything is possible

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't get this mentality of not voting for something because you assume others will. it's a poll!

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

I didn't vote for Rent, and WHIDTDT was my number one so am buzzin' right now.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Being Shocking

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Pretty sure "What Keeps Mankind Alive?" won't make it at this point.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Think of it like voting in a safe liberal district.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

I lost some of my love for "WHIDTDT" over time so I didn't vote for it. "Rent" was my #3.

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

and look what happens. xp.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

oops, at work and forgot that video has a bunch of naked guys in it.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Rent" was my highest single; I had 3 b-sides and an album track above it

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

Struggled for a moment to remember what this other contender was besides "Rent"? What's this "WHIDTDT"? Oh yes, that... Didn't even occur to me to vote for it. You know, hating fun as I do.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Are you ready for the top 2? There was virtually nothing in it with the top spot swapping a number of times.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Cue...Sound of the atom splitting.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

2. Rent. (1987, Actually, 617 points, 23 votes, 4 number ones)

An infamous appearance on UK TV from 1987:

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/112ksLSxzrJ3yZoVfWaA5s

RIF: Covered by Liza Minelli and less successfully Carter USM

1. What Have I Done To Deserve This? (1987, Actually, 624 points, 23 votes, 3 number ones)

Spotify:http://open.spotify.com/track/3noCRXN06iyXDyWL3MhW3T

RIF: Originally Parlophone wanted Tina Turner to do the duet.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

Deserve is a total jam, deserved #1.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

YES!

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ah, so close! Can't complain though - great work Billy, many thanks!

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

<3 that performance at the Brits. Neil looks really nervous.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

DAMMIT A FEW PLACES UP AND RENT WOULD HAVE BEEN #1

I wouldn't have bumped any of the songs above it tho

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes, thanks Billy! Great job!

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

damn

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

if anything, this track sounds a bit too perfect. Did they have help in the songwriting?

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

thanks Billy!

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

50-1 for your pleasure, note the points for #1, not that it makes much difference.

1 What Have I Done To Deserve This? Actually 634 23 3
2 Rent Actually 617 23 4
3 Being Boring Behaviour 607 22 4
4 West End Girls Please 541 20 4
5 Always On My Mind Standalone 525 20 1
6 Left To My Own Devices Introspective 411 15 2
7 King's Cross Actually 409 15 2
8 Paninaro B-side 398 17 2
9 Love Comes Quickly Please 355 14 0
10 It's A Sin Actually 296 14 0
11 This Must Be The Place I Waited Years To Leave Behaviour 287 13 0
12 Heart Actually 272 10 0
13 Two Divided By Zero Please 266 11 1
14 Can You Forgive Her? Very 253 12 0
15 Opportunities (Let's Make Lots of Money) Please 237 11 0
16 You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk Nightlife 235 10 1
17 So Hard Behaviour 231 11 0
18 Go West Very 223 10 1
19 Home and Dry Release 216 10 0
20 Se A Vida E (That's The Way Life Is) Bilingual 215 9 1
21 Suburbia Please 205 9 0
22 I'm Not Scared B-side 195 8 0
23 Domino Dancing Introspective 195 10 0
24 Young Offender Very 194 7 1
25 I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind of Thing Very 189 9 1
26 I Want A Dog Introspective 169 7 0
27 I Want To Wake Up Actually 162 6 1
28 Flamboyant Standalone 161 7 1
29 Jealousy Behaviour 158 9 0
30 In The Night B-side 157 7 0
31 We All Feel Better In The Dark B-side 138 6 1
32 Try It (I'm In Love With A Married Man) Disco 3 136 5 0
33 I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give It Anymore Nightlife 129 6 0
34 Your Funny Uncle B-side 124 6 0
35 One More Chance B-side 123 5 0
36 The Truck Driver and his Mate B-side 120 6 0
37 It's Alright Introspective 118 4 0
38 My October Symphony Behaviour 116 5 0
39 Losing My Mind (Liza Minelli) Collaboration 109 6 0
40 Miserabilism B-side 106 6 0
41 It Couldn't Happen Here Actually 105 5 0
42 It Must Be Obvious B-side 98 5 0
43 Some Speculation B-side 98 4 0
44 Love Etc Yes 94 5 0
45 Where The Streets Have No Name(I Can't Take My Eyes Off of You) Standalone 87 4 0
46 A Red Letter Day Bilingual 83 4 0
47 Liberation Very 81 4 0
48 To Face The Truth Behaviour 77 3 0
49 Do I Have To? B-Side 76 4 0
50 I'm Not Scared (Eighth Wonder) Collaboration 69 4 0

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

fancied it for top 5 but not ftw. was my 13, Rent ws 3.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

My favorite poll yet. Thanks, guys!

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, great job Billy. I've had an absolute blast.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Did they have help in the songwriting?

Yes, Allee Willis is credited as co-writer. She wrote the 'Since you went away...' part.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Great poll. Every song a hit. Thanks Billy. Phew.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the kind words. It was a blast doing it, rediscovered my love for them and discovered a lot of new stuff. If no one has any objection I'll post a link to the google spreadsheet.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

no objection :)

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

nice work billy. 17 0f my 20 charted, canonical boring taste obv. think so many are absolute gold that they simply had to be there tho. shame about The Way It Used To Be.

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Go for it, I want to see if Battleship Potemkin got any other votes.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wow kind of unexpected no? It's a great song though. Thanks Billy, that was fun!

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

14 of mine charted. The fallen six: in private, bet she's not your girlfriend, one of the crowd, that's my impression, on my mind/in my house, and fugitive.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 Rent Actually 617 23 4
7 King's Cross Actually 409 15 2
8 Paninaro B-side 398 17 2
9 Love Comes Quickly Please 355 14 0
13 Two Divided By Zero Please 266 11 1
19 Home and Dry Release 216 10 0
25 I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind of Thing Very 189 9 1
26 I Want A Dog Introspective 169 7 0
30 In The Night B-side 157 7 0
31 We All Feel Better In The Dark B-side 138 6 1
35 One More Chance B-side 123 5 0
42 It Must Be Obvious B-side 98 5 0
43 Some Speculation B-side 98 4 0

songs I voted for

saddest about "Don Juan", "You Know Where You Went Wrong", "Jack The Lad", "Why Don't We Live Together?" and "Yesterday, When I Was Mad" not making it

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

So nothing from Fundamental... and only 4 tracks from the 00s. Still think Fugitive should have been top 50.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Thomas, I hadn't heard that version of 'In Private' before, a really great collaboration with Elton John. Sadly not available on youtube, otherwise I'd have linked it.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

(my other two tracks were "For Your Own Good" and "One and One Make Five"

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't really mind but there are people's real names on that spreadsheet. Just thought I should mention it.

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

I voted for 11 of the top 13. And yes, every Battleship Potemkin vote was mine.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

xps In Private w/ Elton is ridiculously overblown and great, and yeah not available on youtube or spotify. Might not have made my ballot either if skip hadn't sent it over to me.

oppet, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp

If it's a problem, I can make it private and email it to anyone who's interested.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Nice work Billy!

Rightly or wrongly, "WHIDTDT" felt like lesser PSB to me from the outset, along with "Heart", so this comes as a surprise. (I also live under a rock.) Such a halting melody and a somewhat dinky-sounding arrangement to these ears. Always got much more mileage out of the somber bits of Actually. "Rent" was my #1.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

My ballot:

1.Why Don't We Live Together?
2. Paninaro
3. Young Offender
4. What Have I Done to Deserve This?
5. Two Divided by Zero
6. Being Boring
7. You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk
8. The End of the World
9. I Get Excited (You Get Excited Too)
10. Suburbia
11. Shopping
12. Always On My Mind
13. Se a Vida E
14. Opportunities (Let's Make Lots of Money)
15. Rent
16. This Must Be The Place I Waited Years to Leave
17. I'm Not Scared
18. A Man Could Get Arrested
19. Can You Forgive Her
20. Do I Have To

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

forgot about "To Step Aside", that's a really solid track.

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think two of us voted for it. It's my longtime Bilingual fav.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

1. We All Feel Better in the Dark
2. I Want A Dog
3. Some Speculation
4. Two Divided By Zero
5. Rent
6. One More Chance
7. Jack the Lad
8. Don Juan
9. In The Night
10. Paninaro
11. Yesterday, When I Was Mad
12. You Know Where You Went Wrong
13. It Must Be Obvious
14. Love Comes Quickly
15. King's Cross
16. One and One Make Five
17. For Your Own Good
18. I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing
19. Why Don't We Live Together
20. Home and Dry

DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

My top 20:

Paninaro
Opportunities (Let's Make Lots of Money)
*Absolutely Fabulous
So Hard
West End Girls
Left To My Own Devices
Love Etc
*New York City Boy
Always On My Mind
Heart
I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give It Anymore
*Euroboy
Some Speculation
In The Night
What Have I Done To Deserve This?
The Truck Driver and his Mate
*Discoteca
Home and Dry
Domino Dancing
I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind of Thing

Stars didn't make the top 50. I had the only vote for Euroboy and Absolutely Fabulous, ouch!

skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

I almost voted for Absolutely Fabulous (was my no. 23) :/

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

My ballot:

1 - West End Girls
2 - Always On My Mind
3 - Paninaro
4 - Two Divided By Zero
5 - King's Cross
6 - The Crying Game (Boy George)
7 - Opportunities
8 - I'm Not Scared
9 - A Man Could Get Arrested
10 - In The Night
11 - Domino Dancing
12 - It's A Sin
13 - Go West
14 - What Have I Done To Deserve This?
15 - Hallo Spaceboy (David Bowie)
16 - Was That What It Was?
17 - Can You Forgive Her?
18 - I'm Not Scared (Eighth Wonder)
19 - Losing My MInd (Liza Minnelli)
20 - Fugitive

daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

1. west end girls
2. king's cross
3. heart
4. rent
5. i want to wake up
6. love comes quickly
7. left to my own devices
8. the way it used to be
9. always on my mind
10. being boring
11. one more chance
12. paninaro
13. what have i done to deserve this
14. losing my mind (liza minelli)
15. i'm not scared (eighth wonder)
16. viva le vida/domino dancing
17. go west
18. so hard
19. i don't know what you want but i can't give it anymore
20. miracles (eric prydz mix)

second only to popcorn (or something), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

20. West End Girls
19. King's Cross
18. Rent
17. Can You Forgive Her?
16. Minimal
15. The Truck Driver and His Mate
14. Flamboyant
13. I Want to Wake Up
12. Yesterday, When I Was Mad
11. Losing My Mind (PSB Version)
10. Being Boring
09. To Step Aside
08. Jealousy
07. You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk
06. It Couldn't Happen Here
05. I'm Not Scared (PSB Version)
04. Your Funny Uncle
03. Home and Dry
02. Young Offender
01. Always On My Mind

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

My selections that missed out:

A Man Could Get Arrested (pleased to see that this only missed by a whisker)
The Theatre
Twentieth Century (sole vote)
Did You See Me Coming (sole vote)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wow. Totally thought "The Night I Fell in Love" or "Dreaming of the Queen" would place high. What are y'all's stance on those?

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like them both; neither one in my top twenty.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, they're both good, though "Dreaming" is not really one of my favourites. "The Theatre", otoh (despite not voting for it), is amazing.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

1. "Flamboyant"
2. "The Samurai in Autumn"
3. "What Have I Done to Deserve This?"
4. "West End Girls"
5. "It's Alright"
6. "A Different Point of View"
7. "Nothing Has Been Proved" (Dusty Springfield)
8. "Left to My Own Devices"
9. "Always on My Mind"
10. "Where the Streets Have No Name (I Can't Take My Eyes Off of You)"
11. "Being Boring"
12. "Later Tonight"

Made my list quickly, no re-listening, stopped at a point where I'd start to list songs that I think are just pretty good.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

1) Being Boring

2) I Wouldn’t Normally Do This Kind Of Thing

3) Rent

4) Dreaming Of The Queen

5) The Survivors

6) The Way It Used To Be

7) Miracles

8) Nervously

9) Always On My Mind

10) Discoteca

11) Do I Have To

12) Liberation

13) We're The Pet Shop Boys

14) Your Funny Uncle

15) Shameless

16) Fugitive (Richard X Extended Mix)

17) One In A Million

18) Opportunities

19) Decadence

20) Hit And Miss

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

Happy to see another "The Samurai in Autumn" up there!

1. King's Cross
2. What Have I Done to Deserve This?
3. Always on my Mind
4. Integral
5. Rent
6. Being Boring
7. Legacy
8. Se A Vida É (That's the Way Life Is)
9. I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give it Anymore
10. Viva la Vida / Domino Dancing
11. Flamboyant
12. It's a Sin
13. Suburbia
14. The Samurai in Autumn
15. Can You Forgive Her?
16. West End Girls
17. I Get Along
18. Jealousy
19. A Red Letter Day
20. You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk

if, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

My list - 16/20

1. Rent
2. Always on My Mind
3. Left to My Own Devices
4. It’s a Sin
5. Being Boring
6. King’s Cross
7. Do I Have To?
8. What Have I Done to Deserve This?
9. In the Night
10. Dreaming of the Queen
11. Paninaro
12. So Hard
13. This Must Be the Place I Waited Years to Leave
14. West End Girls
15. Your Funny Uncle
16. Two Divided By Zero
17. I Get Along
18. You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You’re Drunk
19. Was That What It Was?
20. Later Tonight

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Billy. Very enjoyable.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

sad Miracles didn't make it :-(

I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Huh?! Missed the final part of the countdown.... "What Have I..."? Really?! o_O

Anyway, great work Billy!

My ballot:

1. Being Boring
2. My October Symphony
3. Love Comes Quickly
4. King's Cross
5. I Want To Wake Up
6. Paninaro
7. Rent
8. Domino Dancing
9. Left To My Own Devices
10. Only The Wind
11. To Face The Truth
12. Suburbia
13. Nervously
14. This Must Be The Place I Waited Years To Leave
15. Jealousy
16. What Have I Done To Deserve This?
17. It Couldn't Happen Here
18. It's A Sin
19. The Theatre
20. I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 23:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

There are only one or two placing songs I wouldn't want to hear right now, and at least a dozen or more I love equally. Man, these guys. You guys.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh, so glad WHIDTDT? won - as Tom said years ago on ILx, successful incorporation of divas into the PSB sound. Pristine designer regret and the possibility of glorious redemption. Hook after hook after hook. Tennant’s “at night the people…” verse is sublime. Best duet EVER MADE!.

Surprised Heart placed so low - I find it, er, classic/uncluttered rather than lightweight.

My ballot:

01. What Have I Done To Deserve This?
02. Heart
03. Bet She's Not Your Girlfriend
04. Some Speculation
05. Left To My Own Devices
06. Try It (I'm In Love With A Married Man)
07. Domino Dancing
08. One Of The Crowd
09. Rent
10. The Sound Of The Atom Splitting
11. Love Comes Quickly
12. I Want A Dog [/Alternative/ version]
13. I Get Excited (You Get Excited Too)
14. We're The Pet Shop Boys
15. A New Life
16. Jack The Lad
17. One More Chance [1984/Bobby 'O' version]
18. You Know Where You Went Wrong
19. Dry Heroin [Bumtschak bootleg, Superpitcher vs Pet Shop Boys]
20. Party Song

I was one of three people to vote for Jack The Lad, We're The Pet Shop Boys, and Bet She's Not Your Girlfriend; one of two people to vote for Party Song, You Know Where You Went Wrong, A New Life, I Get Excited (You Get Excited Too), The Sound Of The Atom Splitting, and One Of The Crowd, and the only vote for Dry Heroin (which didn't get folded within the Home & Dry votes).

Was hoping Bet She's Not Your Girlfriend would place - was my #1 until the last minute, one of Neil's most acrobatic vocal performances (the way the lyrics scan!), and a successful mesh of house and hi-NRG tropes in the production - those strings, and what sounds like Chris through a vocoder!

etc, Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

A question for all you guys who bought their singles and albums in their heyday: did you flip those singles over and say, for example, "Wow! 'I Get Excited (You Get Excited Too)' is a marvelous tune!" or did it take Alternative and the reissues to notice?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

This thread is quickly becoming "people who read pitchfork are dumb"

A question for all you guys who bought their singles and albums in their heyday: did you flip those singles over and say, for example, "Wow! 'I Get Excited (You Get Excited Too)' is a marvelous tune!" or did it take /Alternative/ and the reissues to notice?

I loved "A Man Could Get Arrested", "Jack The Lad", "You Know Where You Went Wrong", "I Want A Dog", "We All Feel Better In The Dark", "It Must Be Obvious" and "Bet She's Not Your Girlfriend" when I heard them on the singles. Alternative just reaffirmed what I suspected; PSB B-sides pwn.

DJP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

This thread is quickly becoming "people who read pitchfork are dumb"

do you mean this thread is a rebuke to Pitchfork?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

It makes a big difference, I imagine, to hear all those b-sides in the context of "Alternative" at once, rather than scattered across various formats. That came out in, what, 95? Back then it took some doing to compile your own comprehensive collections. In the pre-downloading era, I think the impact of "Alternative" was more ... impactful? I readily admit that until the comp I had little to know idea about ANY of the PSB b-sides!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ha, little to no.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

Little to Know would make a great album title.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Just been catching on up on the final results, it made such an exciting read. Thanks so much for doing this Billy.

A bit gutted that four of my votes were in the 50-60 part of the list. I voted for A Different Point Of view (51) The Way It Used To Be (52) Dreaming Of The Queen (56) Yesterday When I Was Mad (57) Still it was a great list overall.

Kitchen Person, Thursday, 7 July 2011 02:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

For anyone not bored with this sort of thing, I wrote blurbs for my picks.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

I heard selected 80s b-sides at the time but, having been in possession of only a few of the singles, and having failed to keep a tape dub of the B-sides of a friend's copies of others, there are several even from that era that I've only heard a few times ("Do I Have To?", "You Know Where You Went Wrong"). I was distracted by Sebadoh or something when Alternative was finally released, such that I only bought my first (dirt cheap) copy just this week, for the convenience.

At the very least I think it's unlikely I would have given 36 points to "A Man Could Get Arrested" if I hadn't listened to both sides of the "WEG" single a zillion times as a pre-pubescent circa 1986. I mean, is it that good? I can't be even vaguely objective.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Didn't do homework, so stopped at 10:

If it's not too late. -Eazy

1. Go West
2. Try It (I'm in Love with a Married Man)
3. Positive Role Model
4. Two Divided by Zero
5. London
6. Rent
7. Love Etc.
8. Party Song
9. Love Comes Quickly
10. Home and Dry

Lazy Lay (Eazy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

(Oops-"If it's not too late" was part of my e-mail.)

Lazy Lay (Eazy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Alfred, I had no idea it was you that wrote that Stylus write-up of "Young Offender". It's one of my favourite PSB write-ups.

Gukbe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 04:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

My top 20,. My biggest disappointment, that I was the only one to vote for 'Nothing Has Been Proved' which I think's a highlight of both artists careers.

Incidentally has anyone seen 'It Couldn't Happen Here'? It looks like a rum piece of work. I remember it getting slammed at the time as indulgent and pretentious, but the clips I've seen have wetted my appetite.

Young Offender
You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk
What Have I Done to Deserve This?
Love Comes Quickly
So Hard
West End Girls
Nothing Has Been Proved (Dusty Springfield)
I'm Not Scared (Eighth Wonder)
Suburbia
The Crying Game (Boy George)
Always On My Mind
One In A Million
Se A Vida E
Try It (I'm In Love With A Married Man)
It's A Sin
Love Etc
This Must Be The Place I Waited Years to Leave
We All Feel Better In The Dark
Love is Everywhere (Cicero)
Your Funny Uncle

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 7 July 2011 07:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yep, saw it in the cinema. It is rum and pretentious and indulgent, and fun.

I was tempted to vote "Casanova in Hell" for the Rufus Wainwright version, but I don't guess that would have gathered much steam.

Rufus version >>> Tennant version IMO. Concrete is pretty fantastic overall.

I wonder why wasn't King's Cross a single? Or anything else on Actually. After a no. 1 it's pretty much a no brainer to release another single from the album.

It had already been a backwards step to release another [fourth!] single off the album after a stand-alone single; presumably Heart was delayed due to the unplannedness of the Always single after the TV cover version. Since Introspective was probably close to finished around then, they could have been wearing on peoples’ familiarity by releasing a FIFTH old song as a single when they had two magnificent new ones to get out before the end of the year, PLUS a feature film spun off from the old album to get into cinemas as well!

The remixed live version on the last tour was astounding.

All the live arrangements from the Pandaemonium/Glasto sets were done with or by Jacques Lu Cont iirc?

"In My House" isn't really a song, is it? I would've just counted it as a remix. It doesn't make a big difference anyway.

It’s as much of a song as Music For Boys, or We All Feel Better In The Dark, and more of one than anything on Relentless

Wow. Totally thought "The Night I Fell in Love" or "Dreaming of the Queen" would place high. What are y'all's stance on those?

I wish The Night I Fell In Love was any good, but it’s clunky and hamfisted in so very many ways. Dreaming Of The Queen worked great pacing-wise on the Cubism tour (at full shows) as a gather your breath / go to the bar song, and also became the first time I’d ever paid any attention to it at all.

Idly thinking of a best-covers-of-the-PSB poll – do people have any favourites others of us might not be familiar with? (or particular favourites from Results or the WEG catalogue)
eg

Carter USM – Rent
Merril Bainbridge – Being Boring
Robbie Williams – I Wouldn’t Normally Do This Kind Of Thing
Splendid – You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You’re Drunk
( )

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2011 07:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

For info, I've left the spreadsheet public but have anonymised the names.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 7 July 2011 09:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

My ballot:

Being Boring
Always On My Mind
Left To My Own Devices
What Have I Done To Deserve This?
Go West
Home And Dry
Se A Vida E (That's The Way Life Is)
* Too Many People
So Hard
Rent
Can You Forgive Her?
Losing My Mind (Liza Minnelli)
A Red Letter Day
I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing
Heart
Love Etc
Where The Streets Have No Name
* Love Is Everywhere (Cicero)
* In Private (Dusty Springfield)
The Truck Driver And His Mate

* = didn't place in the 50

mike t-diva, Thursday, 7 July 2011 09:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Billy: I voted for "Nothing Has Been Proved" too. Almost voted for it twice--I love the Strings of Love version even more than Dusty's, but I wasn't sure if Tenant/Lowe had anything to do with it beyond writing the song, so I skipped it. I was surprised it didn't make the Top 50 too.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 July 2011 09:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp I bought every single on seven and twelve from Please through Behaviour so every song on that first disc of Alternative means something to me, to the point where I can't really be objective about them. I remember trying to transcribe and decipher the lyrics to Don Juan. With Very they stopped doing vinyl singles so I drifted away from the B-sides. Even though many of the later ones are utterly fantastic, I discovered them en masse on Alternative so I didn't devote as much time to them.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Thursday, 7 July 2011 09:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

In case anyone hasn't heard this:

There's a longer and better version on the 12-inch. Being right from the Black Box moment, I have to wonder if the gorgeous woman in the video is even doing the singing.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 July 2011 09:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

Billy: I voted for "Nothing Has Been Proved" too.

Yes, you did, my mistake. Don't worry, it was counted.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 7 July 2011 10:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

Loses a little something of the Profumo story, that version

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Thursday, 7 July 2011 10:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Alfred, I had no idea it was you that wrote that Stylus write-up of "Young Offender". It's one of my favourite PSB write-ups.

aww thanks!

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 11:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was a great piece. I am curious about something, though. I grew up listening to the Pet Shop Boys without ever thinking of them as gay. Not as straight, either - for some reason, sexuality never came into my appreciation of them (or at least I was too unsophisticated to recognize it). But when "Very" came out, I was suddenly very aware of the band's sexuality, as well as the album's place in the AIDS/post-AIDS era. It was like a little light bulb that went off that cast all their previous material in a different, more illuminating light. Sort of the same thing with the Magnetic Fields' "Holiday," which I believe came out the same year.

Anyway, for those of you back in the '80s who understand what being gay was (or were gay yourselves), how did that affect your appreciation of the Pet Shop Boys? Did they seem more daring? Subversive? Like a well-kept secret that went deeper than strictly great pop? Or as strictly great pop, with the layers of politics and sexuality only revealing themselves later?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 July 2011 12:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

When I bought Behaviour in early '91, there was already a lot of snickering from friends about their sexuality; it wasn't lost on anyone that "Getting Away With It" was a duet between two men. As a sixteen-year-old closeted teenager, I didn't know the language of homosexuality yet, but I sensed the oddness of the point of view in "The End of the World" (its detachment) and "Being Boring" (subject and object blur).

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 13:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, for those of you back in the '80s who understand what being gay was (or were gay yourselves), how did that affect your appreciation of the Pet Shop Boys? Did they seem more daring? Subversive? Like a well-kept secret that went deeper than strictly great pop? Or as strictly great pop, with the layers of politics and sexuality only revealing themselves later?

as a pre-pubescent, I felt cheated when I clocked that NT's lyrics were dancing around gender so pointedly. be bold! why hide! I thought. your songs are so wonderful, they must be universally respected and beloved - to engage gendered pronouns would rip scales from eyes, and show the ludicrousity of homophobically languaged abuse to thousands, I thought.

later, I couldn't remember the one "she" or "her" that had tipped me towards briefly reading their songs in a heteronormative context, and became aware of how little dancing there actually was, if you didn't approach the songs in a standard pop context, and that bullies were irrational and fuckwits anyway.

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2011 14:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

by the time Tennant did the ...Advocate? interview in ...1993? it seemed ludicrous to me that anyone could possibly need or want clarification about 'their' sexuality. I became aware that it wasn't, though.

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2011 14:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

['their' as in the entity Pet Shop Boys, that makes the music of the Pet Shop Boys; expressed such to acknowledge Mr Lowe's disinterest in identifying sexually under anyone else's terms.]

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2011 14:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

TBH, as a straight fan, I never thought about their sexual orientation or whether it even mattered to how I listened to the songs until they released "Go West", which I didn't like to the point of actively avoiding everything associated with Very (which was really, really easy to do in the US) and incorrectly assuming for a while that they lost a good chunk of their cleverness when they officially outed themselves, that the allusions and restrictions they imposed upon themselves were the extra parameter that elevated them from pedestrian to essential.

A year later, a friend played me Disco 2 and I realized I was being a douchebag.

DJP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 14:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Chris Lowe has never made any statements, by the way.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 14:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

Somewhere in a shoe box in the basement, I've got an interview I did with Tennant and Lowe in '88. It was slated for the next issue of the magazine I worked for at the time, which promptly went bankrupt before it ever went to print. I've been telling myself the past few years to sit down and transcribe it and post it on my site, but I'm just too lazy. (It would also be major work to find it; the shoe box is filled with cassettes.) Anyway, I did, circumspectly, bring up the dreaded question, and got an icy stare and evasive answer from Tennant. Big surprise: he handled 97% of the talking during the interview. I've always felt pretty stupid for doing so. As I wrote on my site when I recounted the story a few years ago, it was like asking Stevie Wonder if it was true he was blind.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 July 2011 14:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I distinctly remember when I became aware of their homosexuality: it was in a 1990 review of Behaviour in a local music magazine, which casually described Tennant's new lyrics as those of "a more mature gay man, having come to terms with x and y, in an era of z" or some such thing. It was mentioned in passing in a matter-of-fact fashion, such that I remember thinking I must have been inattentive to have not picked up on this previously. Not sure it felt like anything more than a piece of interesting trivia, as their sexuality was not something I had pondered up to that point either.

I was still relatively young and it may have had more resonance if I was gay myself. I suspect it changed my perceptions of them only insofar as certain lines in "Rent" or "It's A Sin" or "Being Boring" might suddenly have been open to different intepretations. Actually, it may have seemed kind of apt more broadly, as the one other fan I knew, my slightly older neighbour whose PSB 12"s I borrowed, was widely understood to be gay himself.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 7 July 2011 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I did, circumspectly, bring up the dreaded question, and got an icy stare and evasive answer from Tennant.

I've learned that their policy with most journalists before '93 was to admit Tennant's sexuality off the record.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 14:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

as someone who only discovered the group through Bilingual and Nightlife as an out gay teenager, their evasiveness seems silly and anachronistic. Only a gay man would write and perform the songs they did in the way they did; it takes what feels like an almost willful ignorance to separate their music from their sexuality. Of course times were different back then.

skip, Thursday, 7 July 2011 15:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

As a straight kid living with a gay dad (who only did his business outside the house), PSB were about as oblique and transparent as everything else around me. I bought Please when I was 15-16 and loved it; my Dad, mostly a folk and new-age guy, came home one day with the Opportunities 12".

Lazy Lay (Eazy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 15:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

xpost It takes what feels like an almost willful ignorance now, but yeah, times are different. If they weren't, they likely would never have had much chart success in the US, I bet. I mean, even Boy George's sexuality was more often than not totally elided back then.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 July 2011 15:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

John Gill's "Queer Noises" has a section on the Pet Shop Boys - I remember thinking at the time that it was well-written and thoughtful but that was a few years ago. IIRC he takes a pretty negative view about their semi-non-closeted status.

skip, Thursday, 7 July 2011 16:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

^^^ YES. That was the journalist I was trying to remember. He was very offended.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

It didn't change my own perception but what I really, really hated after "Very" and Tennant's coming out was that the general public/media perception (at least in North America) immediately went to "lol the gay duo who makes gay music for gay people" and that was pretty much that. So sometimes I wish Tennant hadn't come out, but then it would've probably not make much difference.

daavid, Thursday, 7 July 2011 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

In America their profile is "lol the gay duo who did 'West End Girls.'"

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

I recall a friend recounting telling me, "It must be obvious? well it wasn't to me."

Gukbe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Well I kind of see why it wasn't obvious to everyone. I mean in the eighties everyone looked (and acted) gayer than the PSB.

daavid, Thursday, 7 July 2011 16:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

That was part of the joke too: they were less, er, flamboyant than their peers.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 17:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

So pre'93, were their shows not 75% gay men like they are now? I don't think I saw them live until the Nightlife tour.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 July 2011 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

That percentage is wrong in Germany and the UK.

Gukbe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, not true at all of any PSBs shows I've been to.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Since Miami is one of their US strongholds, the percentage of straights attending their shows is MUCH higher.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hadn't heard their own version of this, really into it tonight.

Lazy Lay (Eazy), Friday, 8 July 2011 05:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

TBH, as a straight fan, I never thought about their sexual orientation or whether it even mattered to how I listened to the songs until they released "Go West", which I didn't like to the point of actively avoiding everything associated with Very (which was really, really easy to do in the US)

Except in gay clubs.

As a straight kid living with a gay dad (who only did his business outside the house)

Define "business."

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 10 July 2011 15:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

A friend posted this old Drudge headline this morning--he can't remember the context. I think you might call this Soto bait:

clemenza, Friday, 22 July 2011 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

how can you expect to be taken seriously?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think they were *so* evasive about it, i was at school in 88/89 when there was a (Channel 4?) tv special made by Jon Savage that at one point had the boys sitting together, with one saying clearly that they first heard disco 'in all the gay clubs'. also there's plenty of lines to read between in the '... Vs America' book.

piscesx, Friday, 22 July 2011 20:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah but they're British, and most Americans assume they're all gay.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

"Heart" was the album's FOURTH single (and it hit #1, to their and everyone's surprise).

The lowest-selling ever No 1 or something at the time, I seem to recall from my Record Mirror reading days.

Alba, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Enjoyed today's Introspective article by Tom

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/aug/17/introspective-pet-shop-boys

oppet, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sadly Tom didn't vote in the poll, I don't know if he even lurks around here. Would've been interesting to see his choices.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 18 August 2011 08:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Just finished Pet Shop Boys: A Life in Pop. Would I ever have loved to be at that Potemkin presentation in Trafalgar Square--any British people who were there? It reminded me a bit of seeing Daniel Lanois preview Neil Young's album at Nuit Blanche last year, with video screens all around Nathan Phillips Square, but of course there was no Neil at that. Loved the West End Girls too--much better than the West End Girls who were from Vancouver 20 years ago. Anyway, good film. Didn't even mind having to listen to so much of someone from the Killers--seemed like a knowledgeable fan.

clemenza, Saturday, 27 August 2011 04:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was at that Potemkin show, am sure some other people here were too. It was good - I have a vague memory of some rain, but perhaps I'm imagining that? It was the first time I saw Potemkin, too, which helped.

toby, Saturday, 27 August 2011 11:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

The rain was real--somebody in the documentary said that people were politely putting away their umbrellas so other people behind them would be able to see okay.

clemenza, Saturday, 27 August 2011 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

I was there as well. There was a lot of rain, but as I recall the rain stopped just before the performance, and umbrellas were duly lowered. Great event, but I remember the film more than I remember the music, to be honest.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 09:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

http://open.spotify.com/user/djperry1973/playlist/7LyurbFLzd9cnbyqaBdYKs

countdown from 50 - 1, five tracks missing because I couldn't find them (stupid Spotofiy, missing Behaviour) plus 2 versions of "I Want A Dog" (the superior original version and the boring Introspective version)

sick yr finger up his butt (DJP), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Format, a new B-Sides collection coming in February.

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

aww, RIP. A big reason why Catalogue is my favourite coffee table book.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

RIP. Those sleeves and videos are burned into my brain.

And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 22 March 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink


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