Wilco - The Whole Love

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So far, Wilco have laid down some 20 tracks for the album, which has the working title of Get Well Soon Everybody. Tweedy says the material fits into two categories: experimental-leaning rock and "cinematic-sounding country music…you know, folk music."

http://www.spin.com/articles/jeff-tweedy-talks-wilcos-irreverent-fall-album

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

yuck. couldn't they just send out some chicken noodle soup and a Hallmark card?

administratieve blunder (unregistered), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Weird to see Michael Moore without his glasses.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

really thought that url read irrelavent for a minute

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

"I spit and swallowed opioids"

buzza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

But I have no doubt that the second this record becomes available there's somebody sitting in a basement at their computer with the word 'meh' already typed up, waiting to post a review."

what a petulant douche

een, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ilx gonna make me the biggest wilco fans. Could we get more of u corn balls fronting tuff guy abt this band?

O da Huge Manatee (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

^^ love this

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

ha
been on a little tupelo kick lately, so that'll probably lead into a wilco kick. even though wilco (the album) was prob my least favorite of theirs, still excited to hear the new stuff!

tylerw, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

I haven't fucked w/ wilco in a long minute but I think this is an awesome title

bernard snowy, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like Wilco, used to love them & then kinda lost track after A Ghost Is Born (was annoyed about the rehab thing b/c I was excited to see them at Coachella that year & alas they couldn't make it). I've listened to the live album once & the next album a couple of times, but not the latest one yet (b/c the reviews were bleh & time is always short/demands more Pink Floyd bootlegs/etc.). I'm tentatively excited about a new one I guess! as one ought to be for a former favorite band.

Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's always tough when you're faced with the decision between "new album by whoever" vs. pink floyd bootlegs. even if you pick that new album, in your heart of hearts you're still thinking about that floyd bootleg.

tylerw, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

Live at Paris Cinema, London, 30-09-1971 is really hot! "Fat Old Sun"! give me one like that, Jeff Tweedy, & we'll talk again.

Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh, if only we had a thread about Floyd boots.

bRon To Run (MaresNest), Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tyler did you get that record store day link floyd thing?

O da Huge Manatee (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

what a petulant douche

I'm only a moderate Wilco fan--a huge fan of two or three songs--but I love that Tweedy quote. If you're going to take on people who hate your work (and preemptively, at that), you have to go about it with a bit of style and humour or, agreed, you come off as petulant. Lou Reed's Christgau line would be one example of how to do it right, and Tweedy's quote for me is another--the throwaway "meh" is perfect.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

This from a guy whose most lavishly praised record broke thanks to dudes dying to hear his music downloading it "in the basement." He's like Brian Williams sticking it to "bloggers in bathrobes."

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

xpost That's a weird definition of style & humor.

We make bouquets that fade immediately. (Turangalila), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

But "meh"--as Homer Simpson says, it's funny because it's true.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's always the critical darlings that are the most remarkably thin-skinned and paranoid about their detractors

some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

that's not even thin-skinned or paranoid though, it's sorta realistic

iatee, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

This from a guy whose most lavishly praised record broke thanks to dudes dying to hear his music downloading it "in the basement." He's like Brian Williams sticking it to "bloggers in bathrobes."

― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:24 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a pretty blatant misreading of his quote. he's not taking a shot at dudes who download music in their basements, he's taking a shot at people who have prejudged the album before even hearing it.

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't say you can make any generalizations about that. Some of them, yes; others, especially after they've been around for a while, seem completely removed from whatever's written about them. Anyway, I skimmed the Spin piece, and you guys are making a big deal out of one line. It's not like he started railing against critics or anything.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

that's not even thin-skinned or paranoid though, it's sorta realistic

― iatee, Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

well, of course there are going to be people downloading any record that comes out and saying negative things about it on the internet. that's every record. but a new Wilco album, more than most other albums, stands a good chance of a top 5 chart debut and a 4 star review from Rolling Stone. successful people whining about what the "haters" will say about something that isn't even out yet is pretty paranoid imo.

some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

"whining"

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

The finished album may be one of the group's most adventurous yet. "I do think it's a little bit more obnoxious and irreverent of a pop record than people have heard from us, maybe, ever," he says. "And that's exciting. But I have no doubt that the second this record becomes available there's somebody sitting in a basement at their computer with the word 'meh' already typed up, waiting to post a review."

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

If it were actual whining, I'd agree with you; Tweedy's comment seems much more playful to me, like he just said it because he wanted to make fun of the word "meh."

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah what's going on in this thread is closer to 'whining' than what he actually said

iatee, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

get well soon everybody

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Considering the first few responses in this thread were kind of in that dismissive vein, I think Tweedy makes a valid point.

Binjominia, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

ok not whining per se, but it's definitely preemptive snark. like, everyone says they're excited about the new album they're working on and that they hope people will love it, of course they know not everyone will but what's even the point of going "oh some loser already decided to pan the record before he's heard it"

some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think we should get Tweedy to post on ILM. We could talk about Wilco; maybe he'll poll their oeuvre; but I bet he has a killer archive of Floyd bootlegs & it would be cool to get access to that.

Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

also butthurt is kinda Tweedy's thing, like going back to Uncle Tupelo days ("Watch Me Fall", "We've Been Had") & continues into Wilco days.

Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1809188793

buzza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Their previous album should have been titled "Meh"

Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wilco (Meh Album)

some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Being Butthurt

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wilco (The Album) was my favorite Wilco release in many years, so meh to you. xps

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is a pretty blatant misreading of his quote. he's not taking a shot at dudes who download music in their basements, he's taking a shot at people who have prejudged the album before even hearing it.

I was referring to his use of the by now cliched designation of critics as guys in basements.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Does Kanye ever wear skinny jeans?

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't really ever feel like listening to a who;e Wilco album but I like a bunch of individual tracks

" experimental-leaning rock and "cinematic-sounding country music…you know, folk music. "
^sounds good to me

"jesus etc." is chamber folk and if that is what they're going for then good for them. i'd tell them to lean in towards chamber stuff and lean away from country stuff though

poplocking nazis from space (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Man, Jesus etc. is so good.

She Got the Shakes, Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

^^^ my favorite Wilco song.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

The fact that Jay Bennett is no longer alive continues to bother me. It would have nice to think that one day they could eventually work together again - Jay said as much himself.

Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Saturday, 23 April 2011 23:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

that pic is from like 10 years ago before skinny jeans really existed in rap

some dude, Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha -- I was musing aloud.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

(it had nothing to do with the pic)

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to completely ignore this album

calstars, Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to read 1000 posts about this album but never listen to it

wewetyourpants.com (rip van wanko), Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to ask markers if there's any songs with prominent Nels Cline bits I should check out

some dude, Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i can't wait to read 1000 posts about this album by people who never listen to it.

the felonious against the corrective (Hunt3r), Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

there was a pink floyd record store day thing?

tylerw, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to read 1000 posts on this thread before anybody's heard the album!

some dude, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to visit those busy basements!

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Has there ever been much excitement about a new Wilco album on ILM before? Unless we go ~m~e~t~a~ I don't see it happening for this one (unless maybe they cover "Wish You Were Here")

Euler, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

tyler - the RSD Floyd thing was the 1966/67 live thing on vinyl. I don't think Floyd has any control over those couple of recordings.

back on topic: I'll be excited if this sounds builds on the sound of Summer Teeth. If it sounds like anything they've made in the past decade I don't care.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

unless the new wilco is an album of grateful dead covers i ain't listening.

scott seward, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's a Phish tribute in your honor.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to ask markers if there's any songs with prominent Nels Cline bits I should check out

― some dude, Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:53

ask me again when the record comes out and i'll let you know!

markers, Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

this might be interesting, Nels-wise:

Tweedy is being modest. One new song, "Art of Almost," has an experimental feel, like 2009's "Bull Black Nova" and 2004's "Spiders (Kidsmoke)." It's a seven-minute, two-parter that starts as a free-form jam, punctuated with burbling synths, mellotrons, and tribal drums. It swells into a punk-ish coda, with virtuosic, fuzzed-out guitar shredding courtesy of Cline, the band's secret weapon. Tweedy says the inspiration for the track came from Neil Young. "It's a sort of atmospheric song you might hear on Tonight's the Night," he says. "I don't know what happened to that song, to be honest. It just sort of morphed over time into something that's a lot more interesting to us now."

markers, Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

That right there takes away what little interest I had.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

the only wilko i will ever need.

scott seward, Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh man my hero. nels who?

scott seward, Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

back on topic: I'll be excited if this sounds builds on the sound of Summer Teeth. If it sounds like anything they've made in the past decade I don't care.

pretty much works for me.

the felonious against the corrective (Hunt3r), Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

i've heard tweedy play a pretty nice version of "ripple"

tylerw, Sunday, 24 April 2011 03:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

There's a new song floating around with a lyric that sounds like Tweedy trying to bed a straight dude. "Open Up Your Mind" or some such. It's a good song, in that John Lennon-y kinda way Tweedy writes sometimes.

I haven't cared about Wilco in a long time (my wife is the resident Wilco fan in her house, though even she tuned out after Sky Blue Sky), but I think, to counter Tweedy's claim, there are some of us who really WANT To like a new Wilco album. I really hope this album is amazing. But if it isn't, my feeling won't be 'meh,' my feeling will be "thank God there's still a band of this caliber selling records and making rock and roll in 2011, even if I don't dig what they're doing right now."

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

Well said, Airport! That's the best response yet. I feel the same way, too, as I'm not into the jam band direction though I'm down with Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

why have yr record titled something rad like get well soon everybody when you can have it titled

THE WHOLE LOVE

markers, Monday, 27 June 2011 07:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/news/42991-new-wilco-i-might/

markers, Monday, 27 June 2011 07:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

why have yr record titled something rad like get well soon everybody when you can have it titled

THE WHOLE LOVE

― markers, Monday, June 27, 2011 3:38 AM

markers, Monday, 27 June 2011 07:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Whole Love >>>>> Get Well Soon Everybody.

In fact, I was thinking about finding this thread and remarking on how Wilco is really good with the record titles.

Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Monday, 27 June 2011 07:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

not feeling it

markers, Monday, 27 June 2011 07:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

SB OK (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 June 2011 08:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

idk, i think i like this song.

i was startling the first time i heard it; it doesn't sound like i expect wilco to sound. but you could also call it a refreshing change of direction. it's poppy and energetic, and i like the guitar squalls in the background (they could be a little noisy-ish, but they're set low enough in the mix to not induce a headache; i guess that's nels cline on guitar).

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 27 June 2011 12:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

The bass line kinda sounds like they ripped it off from The Fall when Brix was in the band. Not that that's a bad thing.

righteousmaelstrom, Monday, 27 June 2011 14:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

i like this. is the sound lo-fi, or is it just a crappppy mp3?

tylerw, Monday, 27 June 2011 14:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

TWO NEW SONGS ~LIVE~

http://pitchfork.com/news/42999-watch-wilco-play-two-new-songs-live/

markers, Monday, 27 June 2011 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

these sound good too! go wilco go!

tylerw, Monday, 27 June 2011 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

I hadn't seen Wilco live in five years and left pretty abruptly shortly after A Ghost Is Born - era. By far their greatest record and that tour was crackerjack with Nels in the band, etc. I went to the Wilco Fest this weekend despite all my cynicism, pessimism and general tendency to be "that guy in the basement going 'meh' " - Baby, I'm a believer. New songs were very good, much better than most of the material from the last two albums, which are largely skippable (there are exceptions). Their live show is tremendous, they really went all out for this thing.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 01:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

:D :D :D

markers, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 01:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

looooooooooooooooooove a ghost is born

markers, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 01:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

i actually don't own that album, but it recently appeared on emusic (along with the newer, self-titled disc).

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 28 June 2011 01:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

reaction to Wilco (The Album) was quite divided, but I was definitely in the pro camp. harkens back to the first three records mostly.

Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 01:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

I JUST CAME HOME FROM 7-ELEVEN AND THE NEW SINGLE WAS ON THE RADIO!

markers, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

daniel, definitely check out a ghost is born! wilco (the album) is nice, but it's no ghost. would like to hear your reactions to either though

markers, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ilx gonna make me the biggest wilco fans. Could we get more of u corn balls fronting tuff guy abt this band?

so otm - I didn't give 2 shits about these guys for years but just mention that you don't actively pray for their death every night & there's 10 very tuff ilx dudes reminding you that OMG THEY PLAY THEM ON NPR!!!1!

also BRAGGIN '11 dude is a solid & nice dude so stfu about Jeff Tweedy he's a cool guy

love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

if you ever met j newsom i hope you cop to what you & the others did to my beloved hoom thread

markers, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

*meet

markers, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

difference there, her music is actively horrible

love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

;_;

markers, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

did any other ilxors go to the festival thing? i think it would be nice to go eventually

markers, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Overall the festival is super yuppie/white (SHOCKER) but extremely well run and a great time. It's inside a beautiful contemporary art museum, they truck in a great sound system/setup and it's very relaxed/mellow. Everyone is very affable and you make friends throughout the day. Highlights besides Wilco were Purling Hiss, Sic Alps, Thurston Moore/Nels Cline, Jamie Lidell, Darin Gray and Syl Johnson. All the extraneous stuff (art/photo exhibits, comedy, films, etc.) was very enjoyable too. Bonus was good, reasonably priced food and beer (Lagunitas bottles for $5.00), the staff is extremely friendly and there is almost no security/bouncer presence. Wilco dudes and other musicians just stroll around all day. ATP for cool dads and aging hippies, no doubt.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 04:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

:D

"Thurston Moore/Nels Cline" \(^o^)/

never realized it was INSIDE a building a tbh -- that's rad

markers, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 04:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah Thurston and Nels Cline sounds v v v awesome, would watch.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 04:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

They hadn't played as a strict duo in 13 years, they did a full hour. Complete scree fest, driving the dads away in hoards. Lovely, lovely time.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 14:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

I love "I Love My Label", and that's a good/faithful cover.

Let me tell you something about that song. (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

out 9/27 - http://pitchfork.com/news/43034-wilco-announce-new-album-fall-tour/

markers, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

song for jane smiley's boyfriend?

tylerw, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.anti.com/catalog/view/180/The_Whole_Love

markers, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 17:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Whole Love is a veritable sonic stew, showcasing Wilco’s far-reaching musical prowess (multiple guitars, keyboards, synthesizers and percussion plus Mellotron, strings, loops and more) perfectly accompanying Jeff Tweedy’s provocative and insightful lyrics. The Whole Love opens with the seven-minute “Art of Almost” and concludes with the twelve-minute “One Sunday Morning (Song For Jane Smiley’s Boyfriend).” In between: 10 adventurous tunes (each clocking in at four minutes or less) including the current single, “I Might” which was released this past weekend at the band’s Solid Sound Festival.

markers, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

This sounds promising actually! They owe us a great record after the appalling snoozefest that was the last one.

Frogbs Day Afternoon (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i really hope it's good -- i think i'm going to try to avoid reading stuff about the record until release day

markers, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Appalling snoozefest" is a little strong, but definitely was amongst their weakest efforts. "Bull Black Nova" is still an awesome song.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

"provocative" AND "insightful"!

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Jon, yeah I know, but I'm someone who deeply treasures YHF, A Ghost is Born (!). Liked Sky Blue Sky as in very pleasant, but Wilco (the album) was such a huge let-down after the three that preceded it.

Frogbs Day Afternoon (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

wilco (the album) is probably the only wilco album i don't really like. something super-generic about the overall sound.

tylerw, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Jon, yeah I know, but I'm someone who deeply treasures YHF, A Ghost is Born (!). Liked Sky Blue Sky as in very pleasant, but Wilco (the album) was such a huge let-down after the three that preceded it.

Yeah, it was a big letdown, for sure. I've just managed to come around on a handful of songs, enough that I can't dimiss the whole thing.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

heard "one wing" in a cvs last year and it made some kind of sense

preschoolin' life (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

I got off the Wilco boat after A Ghost Is Born (by far my favorite Wilco album). The last three albums were not my bag at all, except for digging "Impossible Germany." But I'm really liking the new single, and I'm holding a lot of hope for the new one. They kinda owe us a ripsnorter, what with how great the band is.

Brooker T Buckingham, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

loving the love for a ghost is born, y'all

kicking television -- the live record -- is the last really awesome thing they've done

markers, Thursday, 30 June 2011 02:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

kicking television -- the live record -- is the last really awesome thing they've done

OTM

Not really sure how that band (that played on Kicking Television) made two snoozers in quick succession.

I would love for the new one to be a return to form...especially intrigued by the super long songs.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 30 June 2011 14:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, SBS and the S/T were intensely forgettable BUT the live band has continued to be amazing throughout; some of my favourite live material ever recorded - by anyone - came off the Sky Blue Sky tour.

DJ Smoove Groothe (staggerlee), Sunday, 3 July 2011 00:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Appalling snoozefest" = great title

you've got great robot conflict (Eazy), Sunday, 3 July 2011 06:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

I never heard kicking televisions, does nels go ham on it?

the beta banned (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 4 July 2011 16:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't get the Nils love, honestly. I've seen the band a bazillion times, both before and since his addition, and frankly don't hear him bringing much to the table in this context. I mean, he's a good player, but I wish he was more Quine-y or something.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 July 2011 16:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

I never heard kicking televisions, does nels go ham on it?

yes.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 4 July 2011 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

(markers) (markers) (markers) (markers) (markers), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

damn that sounds hottttt

are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's a good sign

(markers) (markers) (markers) (markers) (markers), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

hope most of the rest of the record, at least, is like that

(markers) (markers) (markers) (markers) (markers), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wilco are our Radiohead. Which is of course awesome NO TUFFGUY

leave me alone, i was only zinging (rip van wanko), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

LIKE A PLAID RADIOHEAD!!!!!!!!

Colin Allstations (PaulTMA), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

upthread i posted this quote from the spin article i linked to in the first post itt:

Tweedy is being modest. One new song, "Art of Almost," has an experimental feel, like 2009's "Bull Black Nova" and 2004's "Spiders (Kidsmoke)." It's a seven-minute, two-parter that starts as a free-form jam, punctuated with burbling synths, mellotrons, and tribal drums. It swells into a punk-ish coda, with virtuosic, fuzzed-out guitar shredding courtesy of Cline, the band's secret weapon. Tweedy says the inspiration for the track came from Neil Young. "It's a sort of atmospheric song you might hear on Tonight's the Night," he says. "I don't know what happened to that song, to be honest. It just sort of morphed over time into something that's a lot more interesting to us now."

(markers) (markers) (markers) (markers) (markers), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

They had free Wilco "The Whole Love" bookmarks at Barnes & Noble but not the CD....

Lee547 (Lee626), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

had not heard abt the bookmarks, thx 4 the heads up

markers, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Who really consider Nels Cline the band's "secret weapon?" What kind of secret is Nels Cline? If anything, Tweedy's skronky guitar playing is the band's secret weapon. Or Stirratt's melodic playing and backing vocals. Or Kotche, who has been doing much more with less lately. Or even the other guys, so secret I don't really know what they do. But Cline? That's like calling John McLaughlin the Mahavishnu Orchestra's secret weapon or something.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

The back of the bookmark says "go to www.bn.com/wilco to see exclusive video and hear a preview of music from The Whole Love - CD & Limited Edition Deluxe CD - available 27th of September". The video is of "I Love My Label" and you can stream "I Might".

Lee547 (Lee626), Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

Now

http://wilcoworld.net/twlsplash/

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Opening song sounds like 'I'm a redneck and I'm afraid of robots'

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like this. Didn't think I'd get to say that about another Wilco record.

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Agreed. This is a good album.

Benjamin-, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's a good album but it didn't make me feel like buying it. Hell, it's only a first listen. Let's see.

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, good point. I just finished my first listen. Perhaps I'm just pleased that I don't hate it. I'll give it another shot tonight.

Benjamin-, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

Stream isn't working for me, just keeps saying "Loading Tracks", have tried about four times and it just sits there.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wilco doesn't like you

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

Its not just me, tons of people now complaining on their Facebook page. Guessing it got overloaded?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yep, they just posted a message on Facebook "Server overloaded - thanks for your patience - we'll get it back up."

Not a big deal, just kind of amazes me that in 2011 people still really don't have a handle on how to anticipate the traffic a big announcement or whatever will bring.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm listening to it fine here in the 3rd World.

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

glenn kotche and john stirratt are definitely the heroes of this record. the most interesting stuff here is rhythmic.

also tweedy seems to be writing hooks again.

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

I dig the pedal steel in Black Moon

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Saturday, 3 September 2011 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

Seems to be working now, I really like this. Although I haven't been as down on the last couple records as most of you guys seems to have been. The last one was definitely the worst yet, but still a handful of salvageable tunes. Very encouraging first listen.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Well, it crashed before I got to hear the final four songs, but I really liked what I heard!

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm in the middle of listening to this now -- it might end up being their best studio record in seven years

markers, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's probably more interesting than the last two, at least

markers, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm not listening on headphones, but i probably should be -- there are details here and there

markers, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

this isn't prime wilco (a ghost is born, yankee hotel foxtrot, and summerteeth) good though

markers, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

first few songs are shockingly great.

i don't hear more "hooks." i hear a tougher, more free-spirited, more confident rock record.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, "art of almost" is their best opener since "at least that's what you said"

markers, Saturday, 3 September 2011 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't really see this as a record filled with hooks either

markers, Saturday, 3 September 2011 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

the last record where that was the point was, like, summer teeth

markers, Saturday, 3 September 2011 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

fuckin autocorrect, summerteeth

markers, Saturday, 3 September 2011 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

as a record filled with hooks either

eh, my complaint with the post jay bennett records is that tweedy seemed to half-write the songs, subtracting the, you know, relatively rewarding choruses that are littered througout being there summerteeth and even yankee hotel foxtrot. for instance: wilco (the album) was a lot like summerteeth but minus all of the sharp songwriting, and this new one seems to regain some of that sharpness, to my ears

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 September 2011 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

don't know why i quoted half of your sentence there markers; it is saturday

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 September 2011 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

this isn't prime wilco (a ghost is born, yankee hotel foxtrot, and summerteeth) good though

― markers, Saturday, September 3, 2011 9:46 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

otm... BUT this is fab Wilco after the last two dire albums. Feel like my Wilco is slowly returning to form! Yay!

Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 3 September 2011 21:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like this a lot, but I liked the last two, too. I guess this is a more overt return to "weird" form who didn't recognize that the lack of weirdness of the last two was sort of weird in and of itself. But, yeah, the band's boutique "weird" pedal is clearly back from the shop.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 September 2011 21:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

It doesn't sound obliquely "good because it's weird" to me at all, rather that the band is actually trying again, looking for new ways, treading new paths.. The last two Wilco records were numbingly dull for me, because every notion of experimentation seemed off limits. Whereas I loved the three records before them just because they mixed the known with the unknown, with such surprisingly great results. Maybe I did miss them pushing the "weird" pedal, but it sounds like they are unified and willing to look for new sounds again, instead of making dull americana records like the last two. I've long given up on Wilco making another YHF of 'Ghost', but this is definitely closer to the two than the last two albums they churned out.

Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 3 September 2011 22:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

sky blue sky tried, and i thought it succeeded. i would have been happy if it ushered in a new era of tuneful west-coast soft-rock. but there were dull spots on it. this seems more confident and swaggering and, yeah, weird.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 September 2011 22:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

Honestly, I think those last two were pretty important artistic steps, at least in terms of Tweedy learning how to write a clearer, more straight-forward way, post-Bennett, post-rehab and post nonsense "Ghost" lyrics. Which is why I consider them experimental records, at least in the context of Wilco. They were trying something different, which in their case meant trying something that wasn't trying so hard to be different. I talked to Tweedy once or twice over the past few years about how funny it was that not including 20 minute drones or strange sounds or freakouts was the band's first divisive, controversial move.

Anyway, what really sold it to me was the band live, when none of the stuff from the last two records seemed the least bit boring or out of place.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 September 2011 00:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

good, but Tweedy's songwriting still isn't so great since Ghost Is Born, for most of the tracks.

nostormo, Monday, 5 September 2011 11:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

markers, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tweedy is such a horrible singer now. He can keep his guitar but just step away from the mic please.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

i dunno he seems about the same to me

that song is pretty nice

like the end jam out a lot

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

owww my earrrs

rip van wanko, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

good point, rip

markers, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

too bad most of the tracks arent as good as Born Alone

nostormo, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

#!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

he was quite funny the 2 times i saw them

nostormo, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tweedy is such a horrible singer now. He can keep his guitar but just step away from the mic please.

― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:44 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Yeah, is it just me or are his vocals weak as fuck on this record? It sounds like his lungs are hooked up to a breathing machine.

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

This guy has sung like a dead cat since 2002, but now it's metastazized.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

I know most of you guys have no idea who is Alceu Valença but I was struck by the similarity between ‘One Sunday Morning (Song for Jane Smiley’s Boyfriend)’ and Valença's'Anunciação'.

By the way, Alceu Valença >>>>>> Wilco

http://www.mixcloud.com/shin-oliva-suzuki/alceu-tweedy/#utm_source=widget&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=flash_links

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Sunday, 11 September 2011 11:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm happily surprised by this--high quality, nice songwriting, not afraid of a little more adventurous production. Much better than anything I've heard since 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot'. Not as much of a surprise as Portishead's '3' or Flaming Lips' 'Embryonic,' but very good. Loved this band circa 'Being There,' and enjoyed watching their progress over the next two albums. But the "dad rock" dismissal seemed mostly accurate after that--a krautrock jam or two notwithstanding.

As for the similarity between that track and the Alceu--got to imagine that's a coincidence, as the chord progression and arpeggios aren't exactly rocket science in either case. It's a very natural set up and resolution. Gotta say, the production values alone give a major edge to the Wilco approach, there.

Soundslike, Sunday, 11 September 2011 15:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

The four songs I like on this are really awesome. Absolutely despise the Radioheadishness of the first track and the Wilco: The Musical-sounding "Capitol City." Last song is their "I Dream A Highway" - beautiful. Also, tracks 5-7.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

after the first listen i am positively surprised. the experimentalish opener is very promising, the album cannot hold that level (of abstraction) but it is still pretty solid. it could have been shorter though. the last song is nice to fall asleep to. or to wake up to.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 19 September 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

listening now. i've always been slightly annoyed when people call wilco the "american radiohead" -- did not seem otm to me -- but uhh this first song does sound quite a bit like radiohead.

tylerw, Monday, 19 September 2011 21:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

sounds ok though!

tylerw, Monday, 19 September 2011 21:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

clien freakout is cool. i guess this is their way of answering people who complained that they haven't let nels wail on record yet.

tylerw, Monday, 19 September 2011 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

*cline* i mean

tylerw, Monday, 19 September 2011 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey homies it's up on npr http://www.npr.org/2011/09/19/140476897/first-listen-wilco-the-whole-love

markers, Thursday, 22 September 2011 04:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's on NPR? That's weird.

boxall, Thursday, 22 September 2011 04:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

r u being sarcastic

markers, Thursday, 22 September 2011 04:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

:)

boxall, Thursday, 22 September 2011 04:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

\(^o^)/

markers, Thursday, 22 September 2011 04:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

THIS IS OUT TODAY

markers, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

NOW HE KNOOOOOOOOOWS HE WAS WRONG

markers, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO

markers, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

Bought it on saturday, really enjoying it!

willem, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Picked it up last night at a local record store that had a listening/release party. Sounded good, but I want to hear it in a less noisy context!

Woolen Scjarfs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is a good album!

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

think the only one i kind of hate is capitol city skyline or w/e. sounds like a bad randy newman pastiche.

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah this is a good record

ciderpress, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

and one sunday morning is great! pretty into them stretching things out like this, i'd take a four-song album with stuff like this tbh.

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Eric Weisbard, quoting Keith Harris:

don't write like the Wilco gush you can find below. To which I add, why has Salon so aggressively pursued terrible music writing after simply ignoring music writing altogether for years and years? This is supposed to be the equal of Andrew O'Hehir and Laura Miller?

About this excerpt:

When Wilco emerged from the ashes of Uncle Tupelo some 17 years ago with the sturdy, catchy roots-rock of "A.M." and "Being There," it would have taken a special imagination to see that Jeff Tweedy would become one of the most daring songwriters of his generation -- and that Wilco would become a vital, adventurous band breaking new stylistic ground with each ambitious and creatively restless album."

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

i like to think that i have a "special imagination."

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

is it restless?

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

i have a special, creatively restless imagination, yes.

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'd take a four-song album with stuff like this tbh.

Search: First Loose Fur LP

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i guess good chinese apple is what that tune reminds me of.

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

As part of my Jim O'Rourke Unified Theory of Rock Music I posit that the limp albums that followed Ghost were directly a result of Jim' lack of involvement. If you check the credits he played on nearly every track on Ghost and seemed to be a very productive "disturbing" influence on the band (not dissimilar to the role he played with Sonic Youth).

TL;DR Jim O'Rourke come back from Japan and save music.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

I still need to pick this up, but am anticipating it.

Though I hate that the album title continuously reminds me of this:

Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 22:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

:-/

Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 22:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Was listening to this again today. Boy does the band sound like The Attractions on "I Might."

Woolen Scjarfs (Phil D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 22:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

That's funny, for a while I had a reverse Jim O'Rourke Unified Theory, that he had a habit of making bands worse, but I've since come around.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 22:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

O'rourke did make them better, but they were good also before him.
now the arent as good as they used to be, with or without him imo

nostormo, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 22:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

he was involved in two of three of their best studio records

markers, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 22:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Listening to this for the first time, really good! Best since ghost is born

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 1 October 2011 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah this album is really super. first listen I was like, hm not so sure. second listen I was like OK this rules. still not sure if I like it better than the last two (my two favorite Wilco albums), but it grows stronger with each spin (currently in the middle of my third)

"One Sunday Morning" is just devastating.

can't wait to hear these songs live. been 15 months since I saw Wilco!

Stormy Davis, Saturday, 1 October 2011 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've become a fan, with a few favourite songs, and I look forward to hearing this album. But that clip above of Tweedy doing "I Got a Feeling" is unbelievably smug. I'd like to think that as a songwriter, he'd recognize "I Got a Feeling" as a great pop song.

clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm not a fan of "I Got a Feeling," but Tweedy and his audience are a bunch of assholes in that clip. If you don't feel a song worth covering, don't cover it.

It reminded me how different the reaction was to Richard Thompson covering Britney.

thinveneer, Saturday, 1 October 2011 19:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

so far so good

(♯`∧´) (gbx), Saturday, 1 October 2011 19:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've become a fan, with a few favourite songs, and I look forward to hearing this album. But that clip above of Tweedy doing "I Got a Feeling" is unbelievably smug. I'd like to think that as a songwriter, he'd recognize "I Got a Feeling" as a great pop song.

I write songs from time to time & I consider "I Got A Feeling" one of the most cynical gestures I've ever heard in my life in any field of artistic effort - generally I'd be with everybody on "only cover songs you, in some way, love" but "I Got A Feeling" is a toxin

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 1 October 2011 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

1) As I noted above, I think, Tweedy's performance of that song was a punchline to a convoluted in-joke involving the fake twitter feed of Rahm Emanuel.

http://chicagoist.com/2011/09/07/mayoremanuel.php#photo-1

Columbia College professor Dan Sinker saw that the situation -- and the politician -- was ripe for satire, and he started the @mayoremanuel twitter account. That turned into a book, as so many internet trends do nowadays, and last night at the Hideout, Sinker and friends celebrated the release of The F***ing Epic Quest of @MayorEmanuel, with special guest Wilco's Jeff Tweedy. Tweedy appears in the @mayoremanuel storyline around the time he played a fundraiser concert for the real Rahm Emanuel.
"Tweedy's being pissy because he doesn't want to play any Black Eyed Peas songs. What the fuck? People love that shit." - @mayoremanuel, Jan. 30, 2011 -

2) "I Got a Feeling" is not a good song by just about any standard other than simply being popular. It's unctuous.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 October 2011 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh whew, yeah for a while there I thought you guys were all referring to The Beatles, and I'm like, what? Tweedy and fans mocking The Beatles!? but yeah some googling reveals he covered some Black Eyed Peas song called "I Gotta Feeling". Yeah fuck them.

Stormy Davis, Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hey, it's "I Gotta Feeling", which takes it from rational grammar into the realm of magic. I think it's the Eames Chair of pop music.

Wish this album were called The Whole Lot of Love.

per metal injection (Eazy), Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think "I Gotta Feeling" is one of the greatest pop songs of the past decade. I don't love it quite as much as "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart," but I'd take it over any Wilco song after that. In any event, I agree with thinveneer above: if your sole purpose in covering a song is to show how superior you are to it--least of all to a roomful of people who already agree with you--that's pathetic. Pretty sure the Beatles were smarter than that.

clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Would love to know what's so cynical about "I Gotta Feeling."

clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

wilco sucks

dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

don't really care, but you know, the radiohead principle

dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think "I Gotta Feeling" is one of the greatest pop songs of the past decade.

you really honestly think that? I mean dude I am not trying to beef or get into some stupid "YOU LIKE IT BUT I THINK IT SUCKS" thing but just...from a song perspective...that song is terrible! lyrically it's just the most transparent "let's get this played at arenas, arena money is awesome" move - it's like somebody writing a song called "America Loves the Packers" during a playoff run or something, only worse - the chord changes bring zero rhythmically to the table and melodically they're boilerplate recycled eurotrance, there literally isn't one generic trance dude who couldn't have actually put an emotional arc into those changes at least - lyrically it's a total zero - it's like - I guess you can say fairly "if you're into it, the vibe is great" but as a pop song, it is terrible. A badly written, brainless tune. There are good brainless tunes. This isn't one.

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

i ranked it the 8th greatest pop song of the past decade, so i got clemenza's back on this one: al ship's top 50 pop singles of the 00s -- which is your favorite? (other than SUBG)

some dude, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Of course that's what I think--if I didn't, then why would I say I would? It was #1 on my year-end that year, and I think it's as great a pop song as "You! Me! Dancing!" or "What Have I Done to Deserve This?" or "Wedding Bell Blues" or fifty zillion other pop songs I love. I mean, I'm hardly the only person to think so--it was #1 for 14 consecutive weeks that summer, and I think even critics generally liked it (top 20 on that year's Pazz & Jop). Before "I Gotta Feeling," I hated most of the Black-Eyed Peas I knew. As far as it being cynical goes, I have no idea where you get that; it came out in the summer of 2009, so it seems clear enough to me that the African-American who wrote it might still be fairly ecstatic over the election of the first African-American president ever--I don't hear cynicism at all, just plain old joy. Lyrically, it is what it is; the lyrics work just fine in the context of the song, and "Mazal tov" is an inspired touch.

All of which is neither here nor there to my original point. If you hate it, fine, pop music's very subjective. But if you hate it, covering it in front of a roomful of people who also hate it so you can bask in each other's superior taste is, to me, pathetic.

clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

IGAF definitely sounds like an ur-pop song

dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

it has a virality

dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

That should read: "most of the Black-Eyed Peas music I knew"; the Black-Eyed Peas themselves, I didn't really have an opinion.

clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's no "Surfin' Bird," I'll say that.

I don't see how anyone could play that song on acoustic guitar and sell it. Not Jeff Tweedy, and probably not will.i.am.

Clemenza, where do you stand on "My Humps?"

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

clemenza don't sweat it -- underrated basically believes that songs with less than totally thought out and articulate lyrics are impossible to enjoy on any level (unless it's metal, then it's all good)

some dude, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

I would probably love "I Gotta Feeling" if it were literally inarticulate, like, totally unintelligible.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

the lyrics to IGAF are very charming

dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 23:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

clemenza don't sweat it -- underrated basically believes that songs with less than totally thought out and articulate lyrics are impossible to enjoy on any level

no he doesn't. he likes amy grant!

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

clemenza don't sweat it -- underrated basically believes that songs with less than totally thought out and articulate lyrics are impossible to enjoy on any level (unless it's metal, then it's all good)

yeah I think your delusional idea of what I actually think about stuff is clashing with reality here - "I Gotta Feeling" is just a shitty song is all, my collection's full of pop, metal, CCR, rap & plenty of other stuff with dumb lyrics

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm not being 'delusional' i'm just taunting you for making the same boring uptight argument here that you just made about "pump up the jam" like a week ago

some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol fair enough

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

but like...I was repping for "pump up the volume" on that thread...not exactly a triumph of lyrical effort

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

sounds like Tweedy found a way to get high again but is not able to really articulate it through his lyrics.

calstars, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

"My Humps" made me cringe. Before "I Gotta Feeling," the only BEP-related stuff I liked were a couple of Fergie's solo singles; since then, I thought "Check It Out" was great, and I can't think of anything else. But to get it back to Wilco, I've seen both their films, and I came away from the second one really liking Jeff Tweedy as a person. The clip above seems beneath him to me, although I'll grant that there was some (yes, convoluted--I don't quite get it) in-joke context.

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't require that shit be brainy, free 'n' easy is great. the lyrics to "I Gotta Feeling" aren't not-smart-but-who-cares; they're aggressively stupid. they make me want to apologize to people for having to hear them.

I feel stressed out
I wanna let it go
Lets go way out spaced out
and losing all control

Jesus Christ at least make the verbs agree before you cash that check you total fucking nihilists, is my opinion

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

CCR has dumb lyrics? Now them's fightin' words...

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

I Gotta Feeing : pop songs :: flag pin : patriotism imo

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

I swear I don't see what's so aggressively stupid about the lyrics you quote. "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart," literally one of my dozen favourite songs ever the past few years, contains the following:

I want to hold you in the Bible-black predawn
You're quite a quiet domino, bury me now
Take off your Band-Aid because I don't believe in touchdowns
What was I thinking when I said hello?

I can certainly see where someone might find those lyrics aggressively stupid; for me, they're fine (even though I haven't a clue what they mean, or if they mean anything). Lyrics are lyrics; they either work in the context of the song or they don't, but they rarely make or break a song for me.

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

ha dude you won't catch me repping for Tweedy's lyrics anywhere ever, don't get me wrong here I'm not arguing for Wilco I'm just saying I Gotta Feeling is terrible

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

IGAF lyrics are so bad they're good

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

you just have to admire their chutzpah

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's like pointing out that the top of mt. everest is freezing. yeah so what? people still wanna climb it!

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

wilco, otoh, there's no saving wilco. dud forever

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

underrated when you blew a gasket about me saying that eminem isn't a good hook writer wasn't that on some '50 million elvis fans can't be wrong' shit? is BEP exempt from your faith in the wisdom of the masses?

some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lyrics are lyrics; they either work in the context of the song or they don't, but they rarely make or break a song for me.

I can 100% groove with this until they do something like right-there-in-front-of-you verb tense shit or (my personal least favorite thing ever) forcing a stress onto an unstressed syllable to make a rhyme (exceptions about; "Suddenly" does not really work well as a rhyme if the next line is "it has happened to me" but I will cut anybody who speaks ill of "Suddenly," an all-time jam). Or until they're like

Lets paint the town
We’ll shut it down
Let’s burn the roof
and then we’ll do it again

really? "and then we'll do it again"? you didn't have the extra minute to maybe bust out something even a tiny bit fresher than "and then we'll do it again"? oooooohh hate it

xp "I Gotta Feeling" is a good hook that doesn't make it a good song yo

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

one thing more benign about Wilco than "I Gotta Feeling" tho is I basically will never have to hear Wilco unless I choose to. "I Gotta Feeling" though...that shit, I will hear. Often. Until I die. And it will suck every time.

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

the best part about graduating college was never having to listen to wilco again

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Let's burn the roof/and then we'll do it again"--I'd never thought about how completely nonsensical that is. I like the song even more now!

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol clemenza that made me smile really big

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.

Let’s burn the roof
and then we’ll do it again.

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

They've been casting about for the next politics thread title; I think "Let's Burn the Roof (And Then We'll Do It Again)" just might work.

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ha, I am so glad Clemenza posted those lyrics -- I was just about to come on here and post something similar, but not in defense of Black Eyed Peas, but in confusion over all the posters that dog the last two Wilco albums upthread. I just listened to 'Wilco (The Album)' again for the first time in like a year, and yeah I think the new one is probably better than it. Still undecided where the new one stacks up against SBS

But like, the last 4 albums Tweedy gets better at lyrics. That's why I laugh at the early Wilco partisans who derided the previous two albums. Give me the oblique, married man, late John Lennon stylings of the last few records over embarassing, precious crap like "the ashtray says you were up all night" or "I am trying to break your heart". could never get into this band until Tweedy grew up (and it also certainly helped when he hired guys that play their instruments at the top of their game like Sansone, Kotche, and Cline)

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

guys everybody read dayo's post out loud and really give it your most sincere reading and you will have a deeply transcendent moment

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

"I Gotta Feeling" is a good hook that doesn't make it a good song yo

wouldn't be the first time i liked a song for having a good hook and little else (althoguh i disagree with you about the production being generic, i think it's pretty distinctive personally)

some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

btw i did listen to the new wilco on spotify, since i usually feel a pang of 'nels cline is on this, i should probably check this out' when they put out a new album and then never do hear it. first track and last track are cool, don't know about much in between.

some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

guys everybody read dayo's post out loud and really give it your most sincere reading and you will have a deeply transcendent moment

i used to do this with donna summer lyrics.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah also dayo, whoever the hell you are, you've been SB'd. I suggest every other reader do so as well to the mouthbreather. I mean Jesus Christ please stop wasting everyone's time bro

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

If we burn the roof, can we do it again?

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

A monk saw a turtle in the garden of Daizui's monastery and asked the teacher, "All beings cover their bones with flesh and skin. Why does this being cover its flesh and skin with bones?" Master Daizui took off one of his sandals and covered the turtle with it. "Let's burn the roof," Master Daizui said. "And we'll do it again," replied the monk.

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

stormy dayo brings quality lols to every thread he participates in so do not hate, thank you

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

When Eshun, the Zen nun, was past sixty and about to leave this world, she asked some monks to pile up wood in the yard.

Seating herself firmly in the center of the funeral pyre, she had itset fire around the edges.

"O nun!" shouted one monk, "is it hot in there?"

"Such a matter would concern only a stupid person like yourself", answered Eshun.

The roof burned, and then they did it again.

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Daiju visited the master Baso in China. Baso asked: "What do you seek?"

"Enlightenment," replied Daiju.

"You have your own treasure house. Why do you search outside?" Baso asked.

Daiju inquired: "Where is my treasure house?"

Baso answered: "What you are asking is your treasure house."

Daiju was enlightened! Ever after he urged his friends: "Let's burn the roof and then we'll do it again."

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh I'll hate, and with vigor. dude seems like a pg-rated ade langston with a slight custos bent to boot. fucking clown

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

I was gonna try to bring in some Bhagavad-Gita but dayo is the master

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

that is actually the best compliment anybody has ever paid me

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

Coincidentally listening to Uncle Tupelo's Anodyne tonight - isn't it STILL weird that Jeff Tweedy ended up the guy that more people heard his music from those two in their first band? I never saw that one coming and I dug what both were doing and saw Uncle Tupelo three times. That said, the last record I got from either was Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. (Although I hung out and did a bunch of a recording with a guy that was a total Wilco fanboy and I got a CDR burn of the one with the egg on the cover.)

earlnash, Sunday, 2 October 2011 03:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

but wait -- dorks LOVE Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, but they think the last two Wilco albums were "boring" ??

are you clowns for real? You miss the innocence of the heavy metal drummer so much that you can't work with and appreciate Tweedy growing old? and singing like a guy that has two kids and sits in underwear in the morning? That's what he is. I mean, I dig the old stuff too, but dude....

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 2 October 2011 04:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

the other hilarious thing is how that -- I'd guess you'd call it now -"mid period" Wilco is considered "experimental"?

What, the sound of a clock chiming is "experimental"?? I've never ever ever gotten the idea that this fucking great rock band was in ANY sense "experimental". Maybe Wilco is 'experimental' if you normally listen to Tracy Chapman or something.

Anyway, love Wilco, and new alb is fantastic

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 2 October 2011 04:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

The "and we'll do it again" is what people on the dance floor feel at that point in the song when the song repeats itself.

Why "I Gotta Feeling" works so well:
1. The intro gives people enough time to recognize the song and get on the dance floor. And yet the drumbeat doesn't kick in for a while, so if it takes 30 seconds to set down your drink and grab someone and run to the dance floor, you get there without having missed anything.

2. The aspiration of the song is not to have "the time of my life" but the instinct that tonight is going to be a "good night" -- something within reach. [n.b. Why this is the quintessential dorm-room primping song.]

3. The lyrics are almost Springsteen-like in the aim to reach transcendence through just going out and spending a little money at a club.

4. Unlike Celebration, the song has lead vocals for both a man and a woman.

5. The song works like a suspension bridge--it's basically the same song repeated twice, which--as you may have already seen first-hand at a wedding reception or 40th birthday party, as I have--leaves the dancers actually exhausted in a post-coital way.

6. The days of the week make it a hit with the under-six set.

7. What bugs me about the Tweedy cover is that he takes a shit on the song but he doesn't perform it as composed -- as if all the repetition is lazy songwriting rather than carefully executed dance music to give the dancer enough time to get to the dance floor and then have peaks and valleys for the next four minutes.

8. The song works because it takes the impossible expectations of holy occasions--weddings, bar mitzvahs--and makes the dancers feel that they actually are achieving the transcendence that the event is supposed to give them. It gives the dancer at the special occasion the feeling that in fact transcendence is attainable, that tonight is going to be a good night after all, and that, finally, that is enough. It doesn't have to be a transcendental wedding--it becomes one through simply being good. A good night.

9. You know that scene in Miami Vice where Jamie Foxx is fucking his lover/co-worker and he pretends to orgasm but then he makes it clear he was pretending and goes at it double-time? That's what happens in this song, after the breather in the middle: and thus it aspires to surprise and then fully satisfy and exhaust those who choose to dance to it.

10. it communicates exactly what it means, and yet it makes no rational sense; and while it is “wrong” in the everyday world, the three worlds of this title simply cannot be reduced even to nouns, verbs, and prepositions. Gramatically, the Black Eyed Peas have created an impossible compound. It is only what it is. A prime number. In other words, a spell. L'Chaim.

per metal injection (Eazy), Sunday, 2 October 2011 04:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

This thread is giving me great joy all of a sudden. I can't wait to see clemenza deploy this argument -- "I mean, I'm hardly the only person to think so--it was #1 for 14 consecutive weeks" in defense of some shitty, shitty movies.

Also, Stormy OTM about the last two records.

Age ain't nothin' but a Tumblr (Phil D.), Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I merely brought up the #1 business because of aerosmith's "you really honestly think that?", like I was trying to pull something over him by defending some song that nobody else in the world loved. Pretty sure I never resort to a populist argument to defend the work itself, i.e. millions like it = therefore it's good. My point was that millions like it = why do you seem so surprised that I might like it too?

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Poor Wilco. That's what you get for making fun of "I Gotta Feeling," Jeff Tweedy--your thread gets hijacked.

(By the way, I love Eazy's lengthy defense of the song, especially "The days of the week make it a hit with the under-six set"--just like the Jackson 5's "ABC." I hope I'm not being reeled in by an ingenious parody...)

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

I will say, as a parent of two kids (like Jeff Tweedy!) I've found that small children are overwhelmingly drawn to music that is simplistic and repetitive, and that the better they can understand the lyrics, the more they like it. Hence, little kids (in my experience) don't like rap, terribly, or metal or stuff that's hard to follow. But they do like modern country and piffle like BEP, which is the pop equivalent to a t-ball stand. No one strikes out.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

Chuck Eddy would do a better job of taking up this argument than I can, but I'd take issue with the idea that "I Gotta Feeling" is simplistic. I understand your basic point, though. (No kids of my own, but I spend six hours a day with 25 of them.)

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

when I worked with kids I was a lot more sympathetic to songs like this because I could see them enjoying them, and what's more infectious than that. I do recall with pleasure though a discussion of Pink's "Get This Party Started" that involved exploration of the imperative mood & whether the consequent on not getting the party started was the threat of physical violence toward the listener/addressee

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

clemenza I got love for IGAF but comparing it to ABC is SB-territory

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

(Not a parody--I've just spent some time under the hood with IGAF, figuring out how that engine hums!)

per metal injection (Eazy), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

(And apologies for the big hijack. I streamed The Whole Love on NPR earlier this week. I liked not knowing when one track ended and the next began.)

per metal injection (Eazy), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

Haha, fair enough, clemenza - I misread you and thought you were resorting to "if millions of ppl like it it must be good." Didn't seem like your kind of argument.

Honestly, though, it's a terrible terrible song. Putting it in a category with "Wedding Bell Blues" is definitely smdh territory.

Age ain't nothin' but a Tumblr (Phil D.), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Good--I'm sometimes not sure when I'm on ILM. I'm an aging homebody with three left feet, so I really like your stuff about dancing.

I love "I Gotta Feeling" more than "ABC," more even than "I Want You Back." True story. (But not more than "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" or "Wedding Bell Blues.")

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

last night when i got IGF stuck in my head because of this thread i remembered fergie's "i know we'll have a ball" section and was like oh damn this song totally has more than one hook, it's so well constructed, fuck what those guys were saying

some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm totally sympathetic, per aero's example, to what kids like and why they like it. But as with food, I find the quality of what they like, generally speaking, directly disproportional to how much they like it. For example, the shittier the microwave pizza, the more the kids like it, no doubt due to all the extra fat, salt and stuff, and lack of complexity. Labor for a couple of days on an awesome dough, homemade sauce and fresh seasonings/toppings, and you'll have a barely touched dinner. I've exposed my kids to all manner of music, from "Music for Airports" through Iron Maiden, but I know what's made the biggest impression on my older one is the mix my friend made for her aerobics workout, which she used to play in the car driving my daughter back from gymnastics.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

For example, the shittier the microwave pizza, the more the kids like it, no doubt due to all the extra fat, salt and stuff, and lack of complexity.

"I Gotta Feeling" is the equivalent of a homemade pizza then, with all the strange, wonderful things you'd add.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Josh: I hope you can appreciate that the idea that Iron Maiden is more complex than "I Gotta Feeling" is as baffling to someone like me as the appeal of "I Gotta Feeling" is to you. The older I get, the more I realize that arguing taste is a dead end.

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

Not arguing tastes, as such. Just noting how my own personal tastes are not aligned with that of many six-year olds I've met.

Not saying Iron Maiden or "Music for Airports" are better than BEP in this case. Just that there's too much abstract stuff going on for little brains to grasp. Not complex as a complement, just literally less repetition, more parts. Sometimes to their detriment. Kids can't process that shit. Again, that's not a diss. It just seems to be true from my perspective.

By the way, you guys ever heard "Bananaphone?" It's a jam.

And come on, "I Gotta Feeling," like it or not, is totally microwave pizza. Sometimes microwave pizza hits the spot. Especially if you're little and don't like food of different colors touching one another.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

;)

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

one sunday morning is really lovely

(♯`∧´) (gbx), Sunday, 2 October 2011 21:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

also standing o sounds vaguely like a supergrass song??

(♯`∧´) (gbx), Sunday, 2 October 2011 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

This album is bookended by two of their best ever songs imo. So much so that so far it's hard to get past them and listen properly to the rest.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Sunday, 2 October 2011 23:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Funny that they recently covered Nick Lowe, because some of the poppier stuff in the middle reminded me a bit of him. But the skronky guitar reminds me a lot of the Pixies.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 October 2011 01:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

I finished listening to this for the first time (I'm not a big Wilco fan but I like a few of their songs)

I'm going to say Dud - I could barely keep my ears open. But I can easily picture a bunch of Kaputt fans loving this

ℓ٥ﻻ ﻉ√٥υ (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 20:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

hmm, how is kaputt similar to this?

tylerw, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

musical scale/note selection. less than inspiring vocals. soft rock opus type stuff

ℓ٥ﻻ ﻉ√٥υ (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 20:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

nah.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

first track and last track are cool, don't know about much in between.

This.

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I wonder how anyone can call this soft rock. The guitar playing is more scuzzed and abrasive than the band has been in years, and while the rhythm section is similarly more slick, I don't see how anyone can listen to Kotche/Stirratt and not be impressed.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 21:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

I noticed some very talented playing but nothing grooved with me. "Soft rock" wasn't meant to be a bad thing. Some tracks weren't soft rock in a traditional sense but they still made me sleepy.

ℓ٥ﻻ ﻉ√٥υ (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

last track is quite good, but also too repetitive.

nostormo, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

just listened to this for the first time. i really liked it, seemed much better than their last album. i love Sky Blue Sky so it has a ways to go to be better than that for me.

Bee OK, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

The autopilot of W(TA) really lowered the bar to ankle level, so new one's a huge relief.

Peas, Ants, Pigs & Astronauts (PaulTMA), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Saw them in Nashville for work. Very different sets each night, but Art of Almost and One Sunday Morning both nights, both sounding great. And I'm not really a big guitar solo guy but Nels Cline's solo during Impossible Germany was ridiculous. This line-up is so tight now.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Heard "I Might" on the radio yesterday--excellent. The backing track has such an unusual '60s feel.

clemenza, Friday, 7 October 2011 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Finally bought this today after much dithering - really adore the opening track, predictably, but wish the stuff in the middle, as elegant and well played and composed as it is, was a bit more akin to it. The songwriting of the middl stretch is growing on me, though.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 31 October 2011 17:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Jeff Tweedy retired today!

Euler, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 04:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

and i know that i won't be the last, cold captain tied to the mast

markers, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Saw most of the minor league park set last night. I suspect I'm in the minority, but I really wish Nels would just sit a couple of songs out. Or that someone would tell him that it's OK no to constantly noodle-noodle over everything.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haven't seen them recently, but I think I'm pretty much ready to vehemently disagree with you there.

How was that for a venue? It seemed like a fun show idea.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 July 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

It was OK. Ticket window seemed a bit overwhelmed, and traffic was predictably slow getting in, but the vibe was nice even if the band's bro contingent was in beyond full effect. Posters sucked, surprisingly.

I just don't like Nels in this context. Don't like his tone, don't like his solos, don't like "Impossible Germany" ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

They can do better than this:

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes they can, decent idea with horrible execution. Heh, I love "Impossible Germany" and his tone.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 July 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

does tweedy play much lead these days? i kinda dug it when he started stretching out on guitar in the pre-Nels days.

tylerw, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just don't like Nels in this context. Don't like his tone, don't like his solos, don't like "Impossible Germany" ...

lol that's prob my favorite Wilco song

Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Monday, 9 July 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

It might be my favorite Wilco song ... title.

Not a lot of Jeff skronk, though I dig it when he does.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

this album is really good, which is surprising as ive never really liked any of their post-YHF stuff which i found boring and meandering. this is the wilco sound i missed listening to.

Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Saturday, 16 March 2013 12:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's because they started doing power pop again. They were good at that. Wish they would do more of it

'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Saturday, 16 March 2013 13:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wish they will do more of One Sunday Morning.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^this

c'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le beurre (imago), Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

i wish Jim O'rourke will rejoin them

nostormo, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is their best album since YHF.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 16 March 2013 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's because they started doing power pop again

its not just power pop though, the mellow songs really hit the spot. "whole love" and "one sunday morning" make a great ending to the album.

Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Saturday, 16 March 2013 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink


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