Mozart has time-traveled to your living room. He asks you about today's music.

What do you play for him/take him to see?

http://www.cluas.com/images/music/album/tapes-n-tapes-loon.jpg

How far could I stretch "today"? Because I am certain he'd love a lot of the stuff McCartney and Wilson composed in the 60s.

do you think he'd like genesis, or would he throw a tantrum upon realizing how crappy his own music was by comparison?

Aphex Twin all the way. might as well destroy his brane asap.

would totally play him some Psyopus and then masturbate cackle furiously while he sat uncomprehending and speechless

I wonder what he'd think of Debussy.

I think I'd play him romantic composers & then some early moderns & then some Art Tatum & some Duke Ellington

if we had two days I might try to get into Berg & Webern and all that mess and maybe try some Steve Reich

if we had three, Elliot Carter

the thing is though for the thing to be meaningful at all, you'd need to do a survey - "here's what happened after you, and from that this sort of started going on in Vienna, and then there was a whole deal in Russia," etc. - in which I'd guess he'd be interested

he wouldn't care about the Beatles or the Beach Boys or most of the music we like, no matter how much we like to think that our love of it means it can stand next to titans like Mozart

Exactly.

maybe I'd just play him Mannheim Steamroller and giggle like a prick

Some Messaien, some Reich, and then POW! "Cornet Chop Suey" between the eyes.

erkin koray, northern uproar, xenakis, alien ant farm, girl talk, sightings, tlahoun gessesse, lachenmann, yasanao tone, schooly d, ultravox and lfo

then i'd gently get round to informing him that women are allowed to make music now too, and indeed are acclaimed for it, after which he'd doubtless break down and acknowledge that nannerl was the talented one and he just took the credit, the fucking thieving shit

therion

hoos you are my bro for life if you're a therion fan, fuckin A. also I'm like right down the street from you right now.

I never could decide whether to ease Wolfie into it or to try and blow his mind.

almost! i'm actually out of town for the night, i'da been at the show otherwise tbh xp

would also totally make mozart that cauliflower dish aerosmith told me about - went down a predictable storm

id make him watch amadeus and see if it made him wanna kill tom hulce

also therion is fucking greeeaaaaat

http://i11.tinypic.com/4bfnofo.jpg

you guys heard the new therion it fucking slays imo*
*in mozart's opinion

U acronym master u lol

lol

If this were a Bewitched or I Dream of Jeannie episode and I were Larry Hagman or Dick Sargent York, I would introduce him to Boyce and Hart, conveniently standing by in the next room, before my lovely spouse blinked him back to his own time period.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EQWIP7CXzxM/SQsNTpv9jzI/AAAAAAAAALM/jbOsroIM8NM/s320/R-109064-1218124893.jpeg

I would rather he'd lived another 30 years.

i think i'll be too much in a state of shock from the situation to play him anything.

i'd roll him a j out of my sister's boyfriend stash, and once we got nice and toast'd I'd play him Tanz der Lemminge.

will he be wearing his wig and everything?
will he be naked?
jeans and t shirt?

thats very important.

he has quantum leaped into your cat Wally.

I'd round up some sheet music from Bartok or someone and then hijack his time machine and go for a killer ~ride~.

so i'll play him Black Dog i guess
xpost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2i5ct_27n4

It'd be fun to play him a car commercial with his own music as the soundtrack. He'd be like "how am I hearing this music from a box without any musicians present?", then "My own music is still relevant and popular, centuries later? I guess I'm pretty good", then "what are cars, whoa at cars"

"whoa at cars" kudos

FALCO

^^^ I was trying to come up with some smart(ass) answer, but this beats everything.

Dude, your hair makes me think you're going to like Jesus and Mary Chain, The Pastels and Cocteau Twins.

But unfortunately your clothes make me think you're going to like Cradle of Filth.

I'm thinking of Beethoven.

I'd give Mozart his first pill and play him Pure Phase by Spiritualized.

do you think he'd like genesis, or would he throw a tantrum upon realizing how crappy his own music was by comparison?

He'd love 70s Genesis. Melodic and complex, just like his own music. :)

I'd play him "Meet The New Mozart" from the latest Prefab Sprout album. Then I'd say "Dude, that's cold. I can't even believe he'd do you like that."

i wonder what mozart would make of spoon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltLOrgnfW9w

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, Joni Mitchell, Duke Ellington, and Bill Monroe.

idk that I'd show him anything, I'd be pretty pissed that he was in my goddamn living room, what if I was in the middle of a Family Ties marathon?

erm, then you would ask him to sit down and start explaining to him the wondrous ways of Alex P Keaton, perhaps?

I wish I could explain to Geir that Mozart would find the alleged complexity of 70s Genesis totally laughable, and that occasional use of a harpsichord and/or stitching five unrelated songs together and calling them "parts" of a bigger "song" doesn't place anybody on the classial continuum any more than me lifting a paintbrush makes me Rembrandt, but better men than I have tried to point out to Geir where he's wrong & it just doesn't work

classical, I meant to type

I like both Mozart (especially the "Requiem" mass) AND 70's Genesis. and as a result I will live 1.374 years longer due to it.

mozart should probably hear brahms' requiem, is what I'm thinking

Geir self-awareness would be like the end of 'The Nine Billion Names of God,' and you don't want that. xxpost

well truth be told Mozart probably hasn't even heard his own

I think I might have more questions for him about time travel than he would for me about music. But yeah we would def. get blunted.

"I liked Mozart better when he composed actual symphonies, now his music sounds like Electric Wizard"

aerosmith OTM throughout this thread!

Frankly I think Mozart's mind would be blown by recording technology* more than by any stylistic or even syntactical shifts in music since his time.

*Although, who knew they'd figured out time travel in the 18th Century?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0n0lJWOkc&feature=player_embedded#!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il6NN5Jv7NA

look what they've done to your song, Mo

ccasional use of a harpsichord and/or stitching five unrelated songs together and calling them "parts" of a bigger "song" doesn't place anybody on the classial continuum any more than me lifting a paintbrush makes me Rembrandt

^^^ Truth bomb

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10/10/2010: the day a hitherto-straightedge rock critic woke up and decided to start mainlining tweak & posting his reactions in real time

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wouldn't he be too busy going crazy over planes and tvs and whatever to care what was playing on the stereo?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GQtuh1Q_luQ/SNkUOMfXTGI/AAAAAAAAC8w/FEqfKO5Wrr0/s400/Feelies+-+Crazy+Rhythms+-.jpg

and we'll be singing "HE SAID OH HE SAID OH HE SAID OH" together and it'll be really awesome and stuff.

I wish I could explain to Geir that Mozart would find the alleged complexity of 70s Genesis totally laughable, and that occasional use of a harpsichord and/or stitching five unrelated songs together and calling them "parts" of a bigger "song" doesn't place anybody on the classial continuum any more than me lifting a paintbrush makes me Rembrandt, but better men than I have tried to point out to Geir where he's wrong & it just doesn't work

Just like some music from the previous centuries have survived, some music from this century will eventually survive as well. "Classical" music pundits may claim that will be the likes of Schönberg, Stravinsky and Stockhausen, but they haven't composed anything that has the "crossover" appeal that surviving music needs. The only "classical" works from the past 100 years that have potential for survival would be "Bolero" and "The Planets", the rest are for a very small group of pundits.
Thus, it is likely that the best pop will survive instead.

And Mozart, being from the 18th century, would of course not accept anything non-tonal as music.

Neither Schoenberg or Stravinsky are from this century.

Yeah that's right, he had severe problems with all music pre-Bach. You idiot.

Have you even heard this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_Quartet_No._19_%28Mozart%29

And most of Mozart's music did not "cross over". But that's okay because you once claimed that most of his music was worthless anyway, and you'll bang on about the handful of pieces you have heard eg the Piano concertos 21 and 23 and "Eine Kleine Nachtmuisk" as if they were representative of him rather than what you imagine he was.

Everyone creates their own version of mufti-faceted geniuses, but yours is wronger than 'Amadeus'.

I'm replying to Geir.

"Classical" music pundits may claim that will be the likes of Schönberg, Stravinsky and Stockhausen, but they haven't composed anything that has the "crossover" appeal that surviving music needs. The only "classical" works from the past 100 years that have potential for survival would be "Bolero" and "The Planets", the rest are for a very small group of pundits.

Nice try Geir - people love Philip Glass, Steve Reich, and Arvo Part, for example; every time any of them have music in a soundtrack, people rush out to buy it. But you're mainly doing a standard Geir question-duck here, because your ridiculous pet idea about faux-baroque pop moves having anything at all to do with the classical tradition got called out. As to Stravinsky - well, this is where you've shown your troll-skin, since even the most ignorant listener alive knows how huge his impact on music was. Altho as Frogman H points out, part of the reason why you like to assert connections between bloated prog bands and classical music is that you don't really know much about classical music, except that it had strings & harpsichords.

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=XSRc0YyCjlU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSRc0YyCjlU

dang

he wouldn't care about the Beatles or the Beach Boys or most of the music we like

Not sure this is true actually, you have to take Mozart's exposure to contemporary folk music into account and view pop as an extension of folk.

prepared to concede that you're right as long as I still get to hold that Geir is wrong

Geir is also wrong. The idea that Genesis would even remotely stand up to Mozart in terms of complexity is ludicrous. And Geir isn't factoring in the hundreds of classical pieces without "crossover appeal" that are still performed, recorded and bought today.

But that's okay because you once claimed that most of his music was worthless anyway

No, I didn't. Not in any way. Being not as good as Genesis is not "worthless" in any way, considering Genesis made the best music ever made in the history of mankind. Mozart is my favourite classical composer.

Frankly I think Mozart's mind would be blown by recording technology* more than by any stylistic or even syntactical shifts in music since his time.

(I said "tonal" but I meant it more like "timbral" or something)

I think Mozart's first musical destination should be to weigh in on this important thread

I would play him his own goddamned music on a bitchen stereo

mozart wasn't really trying to be "complex"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PApPZHGwMk

Rice found Mozart clearing tables in the main dining hall of the
Hohensalzburg Castle. In his faded jeans, camo jacket, and mirrored
sunglasses, he might almost have passed for a teenager from Rice’s
time.
“Wolfgang!” Rice called to him. “How’s the new job?”
Mozart set a stack of dishes aside and ran his hands over his
short-cropped hair. “Wolf,” he said. “Call me Wolf, okay? Sounds
more... modern, you know? But yes, I really want to thank you for
everything you have done for me. The tapes, the history books, this
job—it is so wonderful just to be around here.”
His English, Rice noticed, had improved remarkably in the last
three weeks. “You still living in the city?”
“Yes, but I have my own place now. You are coming to the gig
tonight?”
“Sure,” Rice said. “Why don’t you finish up around here, I’ll go
change, and then we can go out for some sachertorte, okay? We’ll
make a night of it.”
Rice dressed carefully, wearing mesh body armor under his velvet
coat and knee britches. He crammed his pockets with giveaway
consumer goods, then met Mozart by a rear door.
Security had been stepped up around the castle, and floodlights
swept the sky. Rice sensed a new tension in the festive abandon of
the crowds downtown.
Like everyone else from his time, he towered over the locals;
even incognito he felt dangerously conspicuous.
Within the club Rice faded into the darkness and relaxed. The
place had been converted from the lower half of some young aristo’s
town house; protruding bricks still marked the lines of the old walls.
The patrons were locals, mostly, dressed in any Realtime garments
they could scavenge. Rice even saw one kid wearing a pair of beige
silk panties on his head.
Mozart took the stage. Minuetlike guitar arpeggios screamed over
sequenced choral motifs. Stacks of amps blasted synthesizer riffs
lifted from a tape of K-Tel pop hits. The howling audience showered
Mozart with confetti stripped from the club’s hand-painted
wallpaper.
Afterward Mozart smoked a joint of Turkish hash and asked Rice
about the future.

I'd play him his own music and see if he recognized it (since -- it has been argued -- it incorporated improvisation to an extent largely ignored now, and was composed before A=440 was the universal standard). Then I'd beat-box and see if he could freestyle to it.

I would show him Merzbow and tell him that it's what everyone listens to nowadays.

What do you play for him/take him to see?

― B'wana Beast, Friday, October 8, 2010 6:48 PM (3 days ago)

http://www.cluas.com/images/music/album/tapes-n-tapes-loon.jpg

― markers, Friday, October 8, 2010 6:51 PM (3 days ago)

Thread peaked here IMO ^^

I think the one detail we are grossly overlooking is whether Mozart would be nude on arrival

They're all too busy imagining Geir naked ready to meet him.

Hongrost Geiradise

mozart wasn't really trying to be "complex"

Along with Haydn, he was considerably more musically complex than most of the composers of his time. Only in a completely different way compared to Beethovens polyphonic complexity.

(Said Beethoven, meant Bach)

can you name a few mozart comtemporaries, other than haydn?

can you name a few mozart comtemporaries, other than haydn?

Many of them were named Bach. Bach's sons, that is. They were a lot more famous in the 18th century than Mozart, and also more famous than their dad (whose undeniably genius music was probably discovered by the aftertime because of his famous sons)

There were also people like Scarlatti and Hummel. Beethoven was comtemporary with Haydn, but not really with Mozart.

I think we know what Brahms would have said
http://img.youtube.com/vi/oX7t31i6HCw/0.jpg

Brahms actually seemed to foresee the downfall of "classical" music after the turn of the century, and it would have been better if they had listened more to him.

But he was a conservative man who probably wouldn't have liked the addition of guitars, bass, drums and screaming vocals to music. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ZcMh-H870

don't play anything for him, get him to play for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2a3nbTrO_c

There were also people like Scarlatti and Hummel. Beethoven was comtemporary with Haydn, but not really with Mozart.

Thank you, Geir, for confirming that you live in a completely different universe from the rest of us.

Ah, good to know Mozart is your "favourite classical composer", Geir. What do you think of the string quintets, k515 and k516? Or the "Prague" symphony K504? Or the great Piano sonata in C min k475 (and the accompanying Fantasia in C min k457)? What's your favourite of the Da Ponte operas?
You also didn't tell me how much you liked the "Dissonance" quartet k465. Or is it that you're more of a fan of the quartets k458 or k464? Do you think the earlier operas such as Luico Silla, Mitridate, re di Ponto, Il re pastore and Zaide are worth listening to?

String quartets are for nerds with special interest for classical music. I prefer Mozart's later symphonies and piano concertos.

haha oh man

:P

elephant trap, feathers everywhere

why are you all being so cruel to geir?

I would show him Merzbow and tell him that it's what everyone listens to nowadays.

best answer so far imo.

Yeah no kidding, I mean sure he's off-base waaaayy more often than he's OTM, but you guys are being 300% bigger dicks than usual.

xp re: Geir

String quartets are for nerds with special interest for classical music

hahaha wait this is a joke right

cruelty is for nerds with special interest in geir. i prefer posting ferneyhough youtube clips. (feel the complexity! harpsichords!)

http://thebigfoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Mozart-mola.jpg

Eh, fuck this weak shit.

geirs first post on this thread is classic very-much-in-character but its overshadowing louiss which is just as funny

oh wow psyopus is a real band not just a made up stand in name for the kind of band that louis likes

Lol psyopus is mega dope read yr decibel

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drp100/p181/p18110gaq9i.jpghttp://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2008/10/21/Gang276.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/gallery/2007/01/10/morrissey460.jpghttp://wiredforbooks.org/images/ArtGarfunkel.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0ZetW6bQ7Q

Nepomuk is a great name

Yeah no kidding, I mean sure he's off-base waaaayy more often than he's OTM, but you guys are being 300% bigger dicks than usual.

because when Geir fronts like he actually knows anything about classical music it becomes time to haul out the tranq darts. anybody for whom the dawn of modernism is the end of classical music buys himself a one-way ticket to STFU-land.

Okay I admit I'm mostly posting this because of the WTF visual that the uploader chose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuO1gPmVDGI

Yes, Nepomuk is a great name. And aerosmith remains OTM...

anyway that's why I'm being an even bigger dick than I usually am, because Geir flaunting his ignorance as though it were wisdom on this subject is offensive to me, especially when he tries to imagine that the composers he pretends to understand would share his myopia. Mozart was a visionary; he looked forward as far as he could see; everything Geir loathes in music -- progress, risk, spontaneity -- Mozart treasured & exemplified. Anybody who tries to posit Mozart as some guardian of any "it was better when the rules were in place" ideology gets what he deserves imo.

hey looks like u need this: http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/sfhorror/eyeroll.gifhttp://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/sfhorror/eyeroll.gif

crüt OTM

clearly Geir must listen to every Mozart composition before giving him praise

There were also people like Scarlatti and Hummel. Beethoven was comtemporary with Haydn, but not really with Mozart.

Domenico Scarlatti, 1685-1757 (exact contemporary of J.S. Bach, 1685-1750)
Franz Josef Haydn, 1732-1809
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, 1756-1791
Ludwig Van Beethoven, 1770-1827
Johann Nepomuk Hummel, 1778-1837

Thank you, Geir, for confirming that you live in a completely different universe from the rest of us.

― Waldstein Sinatra (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, October 11, 2010 4:54 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

to be fair, Mozart wz dead when Beethoven was 21; Hayden would go on to live for at least two more decades. I don't know what Beethoven had accomplished by 1791, but I can't really imagine he had formed any of his most famous compositions.

Let's just suppose that he's dressed, speaks English (could he? -probably), and his knowledge of his future won't mess up history. It was sort of beside the point of the thread, but the most logical answer so far has been to whisk him to a doctor.
Should I have added that he can only stay for several hours? Seems like that would make it more interesting.

Yeah no kidding, I mean sure he's off-base waaaayy more often than he's OTM, but you guys are being 300% bigger dicks than usual.

― i'm just saying let ilxor say something nice to me ffs (ilxor), Monday, October 11, 2010 5:13 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock

clearly Geir must listen to every Mozart composition before giving him praise

― flockapella (crüt)

How about just some of them. He said he liked his 'later symphonies', yet didn't seem to recognise the symphony no 38, which considering Mozart wrote 41 is..pretty late. He said string quartets were for nerds, but didn't comment on the piano sonatas or operas or string quintets I mentioned. Or the hundreds of other works that don't come under the purview of 'late piano concertos and symphonies'.
Mozart is his "favourite classical composer" and yet by this computation he likes barely a handful of works, like maybe half a dozen. That's like saying the Beatles are your favourite band but you only like the second half of their last album.

It's pretty amusing.

would love to play him rhythm & sound, some autechre too

geir likes the beatles and there are more than plenty of beatles tracks geir doesn't like

K that's a good point. I have no problem with Geir giving Mozart praise btw, it's just that he's saying 'Mozart is like this' and 'his music is like this', without really knowing anything about either. aerosmith did a good job of correcting him, I'm just showing that Geir doesn't actually like Mozart, on the whole.

And of course the Beatles are NOT Geir's favourite band..Genesis is, so the analogy would be that he liked one minute of one song. That would be a similar ratio of liking to actual compositional output. For your favourite thing.

The best works of Genesis are actually better than anything Mozart or Brahms ever did.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, March 7, 2003 6:41 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Mozart is my favourite classical composer.

― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, October 11, 2010 3:46 PM

You guys, Mozart has just time-traveled to your living room and all you can do is dig up Geir posts and feed his trolling?

I would bake him a really nice cake, but only if he time-traveled to my kitchen as well.

I'd play him Miles On the Corner. And then show him porneskimo.com.

"was ist das? ich bin im some zeit travel kind der spiel oder was"
"fuckin A it's mozart. wolfs, let me ask you a question: smokest du der weed? never too early in the day imo"
"was? wer?"
"who me? I'm underrated aerosmith. check it out tho dude. Geir is seriously up to some bullshit on this thread"
"ach mein gott check that shit out lol. warum would I give a shit about an english prog band"
"ja ich weiss right. bitte nicht bogart the j mozart"
"mein bad. habst du cuban linx 2? play 'surgical gloves'"
"good call, man in wig, gib mir ein high-five"

I'd play absolutely nothing except for The Smiths.

john i love u long tim

I feel like the corollary of this question is, "you're transported into the novel '1984', what about the culture interests you?"

Yeah I think Mozart would be so horrified by the history of the 20th Century he'd be amazed anyone could care about music.

Mozart is his "favourite classical composer" and yet by this computation he likes barely a handful of works, like maybe half a dozen. That's like saying the Beatles are your favourite band but you only like the second half of their last album.

I am not a classical music fan at all, but out of what I've heard of classical music, Mozart is the best for me because of the works I have heard - the most famous and familiar ones - are the best in terms on melody and harmony. The most important musical elements forever. This means Symphony #40 (heard #41 too, but don't like that so much), Piano concertos #21 and #23, the Clarinet Concerto, Requiem ("Lacrimosa" in particular), Eine Kleine Nachtmusik. Yep, the populist choices, but they are the ones who make him still relevant for more than a handful of classical music nerds.

And of course the Beatles are NOT Geir's favourite band..Genesis is, so the analogy would be that he liked one minute of one song.

More like out of what I've heard.

Out of Mozart's big production (he composed an amazing lot within his short life), the earliest works are largely forgotten. Yep, they are stored in there because Mozart is a big name, and because Körchel did a good job sorting his work out, but I think few people actually play them or listen to them.

In the case of most composers from this era, they are remembered for a handful of their work, and then another handful of string quartets etc. that a few nerds dig into while the man in the street are largely unfamiliar with them. Big parts of the production of, say, Mozart and Haydn are still unknown to virtually all people, not unknown as in they know it exists, but as in they've never heard it.

Yep, the populist choices, but they are the ones who make him still relevant for more than a handful of classical music nerds

There are millions more "classical music nerds" than there are Genesis fans.

melody doesn't exist independent of rhythm just fyi

There are millions more "classical music nerds" than there are Genesis fans.

There are lots of Genesis fans, although way too many of them tend to appreciate the least interesting era of their work (1978 onwards)

melody doesn't exist independent of rhythm just fyi

Rhythm is a part of melody, and I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) is fine. But this doesn't mean that rhythm is supposed to take over completely and become the dominant element.

so frustrating that I can't resist trying to explain shit to you that you've demonstrated a lifelong inability to grasp

rhythm has always already "taken over completely and become the dominant element" unless you're down with players assigning whatever note-values happen to strike their fancy, which you'll find results in a radically transformed concept of melody. otherwise, melodies as you understand them 100% do not exist as such unless they are nailed to the rhythm

all day and all night

forever

period

if it happens more than 20 times per second, it's melody
any less, and it's rhythm

I'd play absolutely nothing except for The Smiths.

Heaven knows I'm SBing you now.

I am not a classical music fan at all, but out of what I've heard of classical music, Mozart is the best for me

That's cool brah. You can like whatever you like. You're not obliged to listen to anything.

Yep, the populist choices, but they are the ones who make him still relevant for more than a handful of classical music nerds.

That is completely, completely false, and I know that from personal experience, rather than just assertion. Admittedly you won't hear many of his great chamber music masterpieces on the barren wastelands of Classic FM, but at least as popular as the works you mentioned are the four great operas Figaro, Don Giovanni, Cosi Fan Tutte and Die Zauberflote, plus Die Entfuhrung, the violin concertos, the Gran Partita Serenade, the Piano Quartets, the C major and C minor Masses, the Haffner, Linz, Paris and Prague Symphonies (not to mention favourites like no 25 and no 29), Other Piano Concerts which you've never bothered with no 9, no 13, no 17, no 10, no 20, no 24, no 25 and no 27, the Sinfonia Concertante.....

People go to see concerts with these pieces who are not by any stretch of the imagination "classical music nerds" (really don't know what to make of that phrase, are you being playful, or insulting, or just bludgeoningly stupid, or....?).

Out of Mozart's big production (he composed an amazing lot within his short life), the earliest works are largely forgotten. Yep, they are stored in there because Mozart is a big name, and because Körchel did a good job sorting his work out, but I think few people actually play them or listen to them.

If by "earliest works" you his juvenilia and compositions written before the age of about 14, yes, you're right. But a good deal of his late teenage works have plenty of currency and performances. After that of course he still wrote 'early works' but they are firmly in the canon of regularly played and recorded works.

In the case of most composers from this era, they are remembered for a handful of their work, and then another handful of string quartets etc. that a few nerds dig into while the man in the street are largely unfamiliar with them. Big parts of the production of, say, Mozart and Haydn are still unknown to virtually all people, not unknown as in they know it exists, but as in they've never heard it.

This is irrelevant guy, we're on a music message board full of music obsessives and music nerds, what the man on the street knows or cares about is not really that important (unless that's what we're talking about..). The fact is people who love classical music or who are curious about music full stop will if they bother to investigate be exposed to many dozens more of Mozart's works than you know about because they are regularly played and consumed and talked about. Do you give a shit that the man on the street is not aware of 'Supper's Ready' but loves 'Follow You Follow Me' ? Would you use the argument that because the man on the street doesn't know these works therefore they are 'for nerds' ? Are you a 'Genesis nerd', or a 'prog nerd' ?
You're omnivorous when it comes to popular music (after 1963, anyway), you listen to things you don't like because it fills in the gaps of pop history, it lets you know what has been created and what impact it had, even if it's not your cup of tea. and more than that you're just a plain fan of music, so you want to listen to as much as you can, it's all good right? Consequently you are something of a (lol) authority on popular music, because you've listened to artists in breadth and depth, the lesser known as well as the chart-topping. You have not done this with classical music, so you do not know whereof you speak. Why can't you admit this? Yet you still speak on classical music as if you knew anything about it. Why the pretense? And why the disparaging terms for those who have listened to it? Do you really think that music should be curated by people who don't have a clue, but who only go on what 'the man in the street' knows?

You're omnivorous when it comes to popular music (after 1963, anyway), you listen to things you don't like because it fills in the gaps of pop history, it lets you know what has been created and what impact it had, even if it's not your cup of tea. and more than that you're just a plain fan of music, so you want to listen to as much as you can, it's all good right? Consequently you are something of a (lol) authority on popular music, because you've listened to artists in breadth and depth, the lesser known as well as the chart-topping. You have not done this with classical music, so you do not know whereof you speak. Why can't you admit this? Yet you still speak on classical music as if you knew anything about it. Why the pretense? And why the disparaging terms for those who have listened to it? Do you really think that music should be curated by people who don't have a clue, but who only go on what 'the man in the street' knows?

I know that "classical" music without melody has too little appeal on the man on the street to last. I know The Beatles will be more familiar to the 2200 Man than Schönberg will, and he will probably be more likely to know "Yesterday" than "I Am The Walrus" even. That's just the way it is. Mozart is famous because of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, not because of his string quartets.

Mozart is famous because of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, not because of his string quartets.

Eine Kleine Nachtmusik has:

-two violin parts
-one viola part
-one cello part

you do the math

I know that "classical" music without melody has too little appeal on the man on the street to last. I know The Beatles will be more familiar to the 2200 Man than Schönberg will, and he will probably be more likely to know "Yesterday" than "I Am The Walrus" even. That's just the way it is. Mozart is famous because of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, not because of his string quartets.

Well done for dodging all my questions, but anyway. If you'd bothered to listen to any of Mozart's other works outside of the handful you have done you'd know that they are all full of melody, of the same kind ans in the same style as those which you like. I guess you've had enough of that though, eh? Guess you perhaps don't like Mozart's style much after all to listen to the 600 odd other pieces he composed which are all in a similar style and as bursting with invention as the ones you know. For nerds, huh?

And good job crow barring Schoenberg, I am the Walrus, and a point about what 'future men in the street' will like when I mentioned none of that.

If you'd bothered to listen to any of Mozart's other works outside of the handful you have done you'd know that they are all full of melody, of the same kind ans in the same style as those which you like.

I know they are, because Mozart was a master of melody. But maybe not all as accessible as the most famous ones. Many composers tended to have less obvious melodies on their string quartets than the full orchestra works though.

(And, yes.... Sure... "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik" was a bad example in that it is actually a string quartet)

Well done for dodging all my questions

historically speaking Geir was a real internet innovator for just ignoring all the parts where his arguments get soundly defeating and finding the one narrow window through which he can quixote right on 'til morning

that said this:

Many composers tended to have less obvious melodies on their string quartets than the full orchestra works though.

lol hilarious that you've never actually heard a quartet - none of Schubert's 9 symphonies have a melody as distinctive as the ones at play in Death and the Maiden, pretty much everybody agrees that Beethoven's late quartets are the pinnacle of the classical era, etc etc.

Nerds don't tend to care that much about melody, you know. They like better stuff that is so "different" that the casual listener prefers just to run away.

Like Death and the Maiden, the most popular piece in Schubert's entire canon?

Nerds don't tend to care that much about melody, you know.

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hahahaha

Was just looking for a piano teacher for my kid when I came across this: http://www.mozartlive.com/

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Geir's kind of odd, he himself privileges 'complex' music that has 'lots of chords' and etc, like, you know, mid 70's Genesis, but holds the 'casual listener's opinion in high esteem, even though the latter would probably hate Genesis and all its pretension and tomfoolery, and in fact buys Il Divo records (I pulled that out of my ass, but the point is they're probably buying things Geir doesn't like).

hey man, don't pretend to know how geir feels about il divo

Didn't Smithy used to be in il divo?

Not sure, but he used to be in Super Mario RPG:

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/mario_vlp/Images/11-23tjn2d.png

Geir's kind of odd, he himself privileges 'complex' music that has 'lots of chords' and etc, like, you know, mid 70's Genesis, but holds the 'casual listener's opinion in high esteem, even though the latter would probably hate Genesis and all its pretension and tomfoolery, and in fact buys Il Divo records (I pulled that out of my ass, but the point is they're probably buying things Geir doesn't like).

he only holds the casual listener's opinion in high esteem when it suits him - note that the casual listener adores rap. Geir loves that casual listener is repelled by atonality in classical music. he has no use for the casual listener's actual preferences.

I'm convinced that, were Harold Bloom on the Internet, he'd be the Geir Hongro of I Love Books...

He also has no interest in 'complex music' that has 'lots of chords' if it's any more complex than Genesis, or gets in the way of melody and accessibility.

person makes up 'rational'-sounding but irrelevant and internally inconsistent justifications for personal preference; scientists flabbergasted

has Geir ever been trolled this hard??? seems pretty all-out in here (though there has been no racism accusations yet)

brb gonna go write a song that goes G7-Cadd9-Dsus-D-Em-C#m-B7-Amaj9-G7-C7add9-Dmaj7dim in the span of 15 seconds, and then try to sell it to Geir

Salieri has time-traveled to your living room. He asks you about today's political climate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBh5ZtATqOY

Salem has time-traveled to your living room. He asks you about Mozart's music.

F Murray Abraham has time-traveled to your living room. Someone better warn Mozart.

I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't)

too lazy to search through the thread but someone's already mentioned "Bree Bree" right

I'd argue that if there's a best-known Mozart work for the man on the street, it's this, since it's usually used as "example of opera music" in like, every movie ever, unless they use Don Giovanni instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ODfuMMyss

Salem has time-traveled to your living room. He asks you about Mozart's music.

― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:24 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

???????????????????

Mozart's living room has time-traveled into your living room. You can't find your stereo.

this is getting a little too Time Cop for my liking

Time Cop has travelled to your living room. He asks where Mozart is hiding.

ron silver is in your living room

uh-oh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC8zC8vORqI&feature=related

if Mozart time traveled into my living room he'd just find an overweight roommate asleep on the couch watching I Love Lucy re-runs....

Asleep and watching I Love Lucy? What a wondrous future we live in!

I think he does it so that he can dream he is in an episode and then get lost in limbo Inception style

Salem is talking in a room.

waitaminnit, how is mozart in all of our living rooms at once?

m0stlyClean is posting in your computer.

He has a time machine, duh.

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brb gonna go write a song that goes G7-Cadd9-Dsus-D-Em-C#m-B7-Amaj9-G7-C7add9-Dmaj7dim in the span of 15 seconds, and then try to sell it to Geir

oh man someone please perform this

Mozart has traveled to your living room. He looks very tired; you ask him how long the journey took, and he replies that he doesn't know, for he lost track of the days. You tell him today's date; his eyes grow wide, and he collapses onto a nearby sofa. You run to the kitchen to grab him a glass of water; when you return, there is only a pile of dust on your sofa, which you vacuum up, feeling somewhat annoyed.

you all laugh now but wait until Mozart steals all of your Waka Flocka Flame mixtapes

A man calling himself Mozart has time-traveled to your living room; but it is probably just your father, playing one of his notorious practical jokes.

fuckin time travel, how does it work?

A voice booooooooms out...

You see a stranger in your living room, and simultaneously realize that you have no idea what Mozart looks like.

A man in breeches and a powdered wig has time-traveled to your living room. "Are you Mozart?" you ask him. "No," he replies, "I'm George Washington." "Oh," you say, trying to hide your disappointment; but you do not succeed, and General Washington time-travels away in a huff.

You wait patiently. Then you wait impatiently.

if Mozart time-traveled into someone's living room in these parts he'd probably be shot before he could say "do you know who I a-"

Mozart has time-traveled to your living room while you were out, and, seeing your piano, immediately sat down and began playing it. You return home to find a nasty note from your downstairs neighbors.

Mozart has time-travelled to your living room. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

The New York Philharmonic just called... the piano playing is coming from inside the house!

mozart has time travelled to geir's living room.....

...and was never seen again.

They're jammin' right now

"What do you mean, Genesis is a bunch of CRAP! AARGH! NOTHING MAKES SENSE!" *reaches for hatchet*

Twist ending: Genesis' music is the hatchet...

?????????????????????????????????

It's 2010. Rhythm-dominant music has taken over the world. The last surviving melody rebels only hope - the Geirminator - has been sent back in time. His mission is to eradicate future rhythm revolution leaders, preventing it before its begining.

(so bad I had no idea what should his target list contain, still wanted to spam this thread some more)

?????????????????????????????????

what is so confusing, yo

The Geirminator-
a sophisticated diatonic robot
sent back in time
to change the future
for one lucky composer.

Geirminator's archnemesis, James Brown, travels back in time to bring the funk revolution a few centuries early...

His catchphrase: "I'm from the future! I've come to bring the funk!"

also, ilxor, how is Genesis' music a hatchet?

setting aside all the realism concerns (i.e., Mozart probably has a nervous breakdown and kills himself before he gets a chance to listen w/atuned ears to any new music), I'm wondering if he'd even be terribly plussed about anything after, say, beethoven. I mean, i believe he'd have to get through all the revolutionary stuff that happened just after his own life before he'd even have much interest or perspective to appreciate modern music. It's like, what if I could see the face of my great great great great great great great great grandchild? This kid probably wouldn't look or behave anything like me, I'd have no connection whatsoever to my own life, except the knowledge that somewhere *way* down the line, there is a relationship. And given what we know about consciousness, and how the brain process information and uses memory to construct our reality, there's probably a lot in modern music that Mozart simply *couldn't* hear.

ugh, this is why I can never watch sci fi flicks

It's 2010. Rhythm-dominant music has taken over the world. The last surviving melody rebels only hope - the Geirminator - has been sent back in time. His mission is to eradicate future rhythm revolution leaders, preventing it before its begining.

― V79, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:00 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

ya know if you wanted to remake the Michael Jackson Moonwalker video game all you had to do was ask

I picture the Geirnator speaking in "auto-tune" with T-Pain's glasses instead of Arnies.

Well said, Dominique.

I was hoping you were gonna contribute to this:

brb gonna go write a song that goes G7-Cadd9-Dsus-D-Em-C#m-B7-Amaj9-G7-C7add9-Dmaj7dim in the span of 15 seconds, and then try to sell it to Geir

oh man someone please perform this

― Bad Vibes Bob (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:35 AM (1 hour ago)

i'd probably want to talk about politics and history and stuff -- he was alive for the "colonial rebellion" and all, i wonder what he knew or thought about that at the time. i don't know if you could really talk about duke ellington, say, without getting concepts like "democracy" and "electricity" banged out first.

And given what we know about consciousness, and how the brain process information and uses memory to construct our reality, there's probably a lot in modern music that Mozart simply *couldn't* hear.

this is interesting!

that explains the "too many notes".

I was hoping you were gonna contribute to this

ha, so here's my lunch break offering. i think it does get thru the progression in about 15 secs, but the last chord is extended for a bit (and eventually passes thru A and E as well):

http://soundcloud.com/abstractexpression/ilm-progression

link isn't working? very curious to hear what that is!

really? hmm, well it should be on the main page: http://soundcloud.com/abstractexpression

i know i know it sux, sloppy voice leading, obvious cadences, fumbly fingers

I see a total of 13 tracks on two pages, the most recent being "I Need You," uploaded 8 days ago. Do you maybe need to make the progression thing public or something before it will appear?

oh shoot

yeah sorry, i didn't see anything that matched your orig. post

this is all very mysterious, did you record mozart in your living room?

can you see it now?

yeah, i had him play the progression, which I remarked to him sounded like satie. he said something in german which I didn't understand

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

(i'm still seeing 13 tracks, is this one called "ilm progression"?)

yeah -- i will say soundcloud is bad about caching pages, so sometimes you just have to keep refreshing

;_; because a) I can't see it and b) I was going to write this all out and record it a capella

actually I probably still will

okay now I can see it but it won't play for me

this is a total chord progression tease

oddly I was able to get it on my Blackberry. it was worth the wait! do I get songwriting credit on this? according to Geir rhythm doesn't matter AND I CAME UP WITH THE CHORDDDDDDDDDS.

fuck it direct download

j/k. great job tho Dominique lol

ha

this sounds like some of the modern church music I've sung, only more tonal

I fear that Geir is going to love this and go SEE U PRUVED MY POINT

do I get songwriting credit on this?

haha of course! nice progression mang :)

i envy people who can play piano.....

brb gonna go write a song that goes G7-Cadd9-Dsus-D-Em-C#m-B7-Amaj9-G7-C7add9-Dmaj7dim in the span of 15 seconds, and then try to sell it to Geir

Not going to buy it. If you do those chord changes in 15 seconds, you end up with awful and tuneless be-bop. However, it you use 4-5 minutes to do them, it may be genius. New keys need to settle before you change them.

what is the most atonal music you will tolerate?

Not going to buy it. If you do those chord changes in 15 seconds, you end up with awful and tuneless be-bop

The link Dominique posted upthread actually had those chords and was very melodious. And not bebop.

it was longer than 15 seconds

looking forward to the thread "ILX attempts to write an album Geir would like"

lol Dom you are a prince among men

piece is actually very pretty and meditative to my ears

The idea that Genesis would even remotely stand up to Mozart in terms of complexity is ludicrous.

There's no objective measure of complexity but I don't think this is necessarily true. (I'm also not saying that more complex = better, though I like both Genesis and Mozart.)

the idea that 'complexity' is a universal good in geir's alice in wonderland musical cosmology is rather undermined by his distaste for any classical music he hasn't discovered while i) waiting on hold ii) sitting in a provincial 4* hotel lobby

Right, I'm not defending Geir's musical ideologies, just questioning that particular statement. Even Adorno noted, when trashing Tin Pan Alley-era pop in favour of the classics, that:

..., the difference between the spheres cannot be adequately expressed in terms of complexity and simplicity. All works of the earlier Viennese classicism are, without exception, rhythmically simpler than stock arrangements of jazz. Melodically, the wide intervals of a good many hits such as "Deep Purple" or "Sunrise Serenade" are more difficult to follow per se than most melodies of, for example, Haydn, which consist mainly of circumscriptions of tonic triads and second steps. Harmonically, the supply of chords of the so-called classics is invariably more limited than that of any current Tin Pan Alley composer who draws from Debussy, Ravel, and even later sources.

While he obviously wasn't talking about Genesis, similar principles apply (perhaps more so). If you were claiming that Mozart's compositions are more subtly and tightly crafted, you'd be on safer ground, although I don't think Genesis was that bad tbh.

Adorno was a bit far off, though, because he existed in a universe where anything but 12 note music was worthless in his eyes.

As for the point, Genesis and Mozart are both complex in their own way, but Genesis adds a few other dimensions (beat, performance, timbre) that were practically nonexistant in Mozart's time for obviously technologic reasons. I am pretty sure had that technology existed at the time, Mozart would have used it, and then he'd sound better in the ears of today's listeners.

adorno adored beethoven, you are nuts

this thread = Geir Hongro's Populism for Snobs

Genesis adds a few other dimensions (beat, performance, timbre) that were practically nonexistant in Mozart's time

Confused by what you mean by performance... you mean like old Petey Gabriel dressed up like a pillock? Cos they do that too in opera.

geir, does that paragraph from adorno mention 12-tone at all?

does it make claims about which kind of music is proper or correct or even good?

no, it doesn't. he's making simple factual statements about musical qualities, speaking strictly about "complexity", comparing tin-pan alley jazz/pop and the high classical era of mozart & haydn. first, rhythm: jazz is more complex than classical music. second, melody: a lot of jazz is more complex melodically than haydn, for example. third, harmony: after dubussy & ravel (and by implication wagner & romanticism) even tin pan alley pop had a much more complex range of chords to borrow from.

and no, he's not saying tin-pan alley is therefore better than Viennese classicism. it just is what it is: more complex.

(i know this is pointless)

Geir makes Cap'n Save-the Truth of us all.

Genesis adds a few other dimensions (beat, performance, timbre)

"beat" -- oh, you mean rhythm??

you see the difference between rhythm and beat is one's more jungly

Evidently it took "Hooked on Classics" to elevate Mozart to the level of Genesis in Geir's world.

I would play Mozart some Living Rooms, the fine Italian downtempo project. They're actually pretty good.

so when in the last two hundred years was timbre finally discovered

lols @ geir calling dude "a bit far off, though, because he existed in a universe where anything but _____ music was worthless in his eyes."

has german changed much since mozart's time? did mozart know any archaic english?

English hasn't changed that much at all since Mozart's day.

ahoy hoy, herr mozart, would you do without a wireless, a dirigible, or a pennyfarthing wot wot 23 skidoo?
corsets on wealthy dowagers: classic or declasse?

let's have Geir time travel back to Mozart's day and see how he freaks out that he suddenly has no music he likes to listen to

Interesting web discussion of Mozart's language abilities (I've linked to the post that best addresses his grasp of English).

adorno adored beethoven

Because he considered Beethoven to be part of the long lineage of progression which culminated forever Schönberg and 12 tone music.

that isn't true either

that's very interesting! re: mozart practicing English by taunting his pupils in it.

Schonberg inspired the Beach boys

adorno would never have thought of, or wrote in terms of, "progression" or anything being "culminated forever"

can't you just be happy that he didn't like jazz? jeez, give the old guy a break

stupid question: Geir, have you actually read Adorno, and hold an informed opinion about him, or did you just manufacture a strawman based on a paragraph quoted out of context?

the Beach Boys inspired Schonberg.... through TIME TRAVEL

brian wilson has time traveled to schonberg's living room

stupid question: Geir, have you actually read Adorno, and hold an informed opinion about him, or did you just manufacture a strawman based on a paragraph quoted out of context?

lol yeah you kinda answered yr own q here drugs

Wouldn't necessarily require time travel for Brian Wilson to meet Schoenberg; they both lived in southern California throughout the 1940s. Granted, the time travel scenario would lead to more interesting conversations between them...

My answer to any time-travel hypothetical is "The Rockafella Skank."

For Mozart, that, and that "Midnight Blue" ballad, and, I don't know, "You Belong With Me."

what IF Schonberg was the dude with the pop sensibility and Brian Wilson was the master of noise, and he followed the scenario Big HOOS laid out, and Brian Wilson/Schonberg had a Reese's Peanut Butter cups moment and taught each other their opposite styles....

....so then Schonberg DIDN'T ruin music (GeirTM) after all???!!!!!

MAKES YA THINK

I suppose I should go ahead and reveal my ignorance with a realistic answer to the question. But to set some limits, let's say he has to go back in two hours. So...no symphonies, and I'll start a whole half century after Mozart. I added these up and it's just under 120 minutes. The crash course:

Liszt/Hungarian Rhapsody five
Overture to Carmen (only two minutes)
Night on Bald Mountain
Strauss/In Abendrot
Debussy/Prelude to Afternoon of a Faun
Sibelius/The Swan of Tuonela
Williams/The Lark Ascending
Puccini/maybe Si, Mi Chiamano Mimi and
Nessun Dorma for good measure, since these are short
Holst/Jupiter from the Planets
Copland/Fanfare for the Common Man (three minutes)
Louis Armstrong/West End Blues
Ellington/Take the A Train
Rammstein/any song (it's in German!)

Woops, I left out John Adams/the Chairman Dances -it's still under two hours.

B'wana that playlist looks great! I threw together a Spotify playlist just in case he ever does show up:

http://open.spotify.com/user/pmadra/playlist/6QExryVuq3lgmkjZ8Hscr6

That playlist is actually pretty good. Would probably substitute one or two for electronic songs... maybe Pantha du Prince and Aphex Twin.

... or something heavy on percussions.

Although I'd give myself migraine trying to explain him how electronic music works... probably just better to let him figure it out and send him back in time to see how he manages to reproduce it.

Mozart would be horrified by that list. Better play him some nice melodic pop music. He'd like that better. Mozart was a melody guy.

<3

funny how Mozart's view of music seems to be exactly like yours!

guy

http://www.happybabybag.com/catalog/images/mozart.jpg

^^^ pinnacle of western art. Mozart without all the unmelodic crap.

Not sure it does what it says on the tin though.

probably better naptime music than a Schoenberg piece for soprano

just to prop up Geir's favorite strawman composer for more fun in this thread

No twelve-tone masturbation in front of the baby please.

I like how Nessum Dorma, Carmen, Jupiter and one of Debussy's drippier pieces are too unmelodic for Geir.

Not all of it, but a lot of it. Generally "classical" music from after 1900 is not wasting much time on. The true classical music of the 20th century were composed by pop composers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijnfdLFhn2o

straight bottin'

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Bach and Mozart were the greatest composers of the 18th century, Beethoven and Brahms may have been the greatest composers of the 19th century (a larger number of candidates though) and McCartney and Wilson were probably the greatest composers of the 20th century.

(Well, actually Tony Banks is better, but people didn't understand)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41195000/jpg/_41195084_banks2pa203.jpg

Not that Tony Banks, I guess :)

http://www.fastcompany.com/1697711/explain-the-internet-19th-century-british-street-urchin-doogie-horner#self

I have thought about this a lot actually and I still can't decide if I would try and show him the progression of music through time past his own, or just fuck with his mind.

Like,
"Here's a great example of American folk music in the 20th century, Mozart..."
*puts on Caroliner*

or

"Here's a great example of American folk music in the 20th century, Mozart..."
*puts on Bob Dylan*

tough choices...

do you think mozart heard leonin & perotin?

he might get more out of having his own shit put in context

Charlie Parker has time-travelled to your living room.......

officium to see if he lols

"Here's a great example of American folk music in the 20th century, Mozart..."
*puts on Caroliner*

― The Porcupine Captain With A Crew of White Rabbits (Viceroy), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 5:36 PM (2 hours ago)

Are you sure Caroliner is from the 20th century?