Led Zeppelin
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You: Joan Baez - Babe I'm Gonna Leave You (Anne Brendon)Dazed and Confused: Jake Holmes - Dazed and ConfusedBlack Mountain Side: Bert Jansch - Black Water SideHow Many More Times: Howlin Wolf - How Many More Years / Albert King - The Hunter / Jeff Beck - BoleroCommunication Breakdown: Eddie Cochran - Nervous Breakdown Your Time Is Gonna Come: Traffic - Dear Mr. Fantasy
Led Zeppelin II
Whole lotta love: Muddy Waters (Willie Dixon) - You Need Love / Small Faces - You Need LovingLemon Song: Howlin' Wolf - Killing Floor / Robert Johnson - Travelling Riverside BluesMoby Dick: Bobby Parker - Watch Your StepBring it on Home: Sonny Boy Williamson - Bring it on Back
Led Zeppelin III
Since I've Been Loving You: Moby Grape - NeverHats Off: Bukka White - Shake 'em on Down
Led Zeppelin IV
Stairway to Heaven: Spirit - Taurus
Physical Graffiti
Custard pie: Sleepy John Estes - Drop Down MamaIn my time of dying: Bob Dylan - In my time of dying (Blind Willie Johnson)
Presence
Nobody’s Fault But Mine: Blind Willie Johnson - Nobody’s Fault But Mine
― Moka, Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
Didn't have the courtesy to credit any of these artists but at least they were kind of enough to give hints on the titles for us to know which song they were attempting to rip off.
― Moka, Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Stones did this with some songwriting credits (e.g. "Melody" credited Billy Preston for "inspiration"; Ronnie Wood got the same for "Hey Negrita").
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
this one seems more than a hint. was it a cover version?
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Some CD reissues releases have a few (no doubt court-ordered and/or settlement-stipulated) updated credits, e.g., "Whole Lotta Love" co-credited to Dixon, "Lemon Song" co-credited to Wolf.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 19 August 2010 03:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Nobody’s Fault But Mine: Blind Willie Johnson - Nobody’s Fault But Minethis one seems more than a hint. was it a cover version?― Daniel, Esq.
― Daniel, Esq.
Yep, an uncredited one at that though. The song on the Presence album is credited to Plant/Page. When confronted about it Page said it was a public domain traditional blues song and that it didn't even belong to Blind Willie Johnson in the first place. It is sort of a gray area for sure since although BWJ was the first musician to record it, it wasn't registered with any copyright association and resides indeed in public domain.
― Moka, Thursday, 19 August 2010 04:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
snooze
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 04:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Bob Dylan Plagiarism Compendium
The Pablo Picasso Plagiarism Compendium
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 04:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
King Lear is an uncredited ripoff of King Leir
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 04:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Same should be said about 'Drop Down Mama' by Estes and 'In my time of dying' first recorded by Blind Willie Johnson as 'Jesus Make Up My Dying Bed' (Their version is definitely inspired by Bob Dylan's version and not the former though) both of them also without copyright registers.
It seems the boys grew smarter with each subsequent album and only took credit for songs in public domain as time passed by.
― Moka, Thursday, 19 August 2010 04:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Stones ones are different though - those aren't ripping off existing songs, it's ripping off the guys who were playing with them.
― Loup-Garou G (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 19 August 2010 04:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:22 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Idiotic. These Zeppelin ripoffs are clearly plagiarism and theyve been called on the carpet on most. the most egregious is the theft of Dazed and Confused, the guy who originally did it was apparently ignorant of his rights and slept on them until the statute of limitations ran.
Zeppelin sucks.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:25 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Totally missing the point. Again.
Yeah, I used to think "Oh, Whole lotta love is soet of based on a similar thing on the Small Faces album, so I'm told" until I actually got to hear the track and then I thought "IT'S EXACTLY THE RUDDY SAME!!!"
― Mark G, Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Zeppelin sucks" = why you can't be honestly engaged on this topic
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Srsly though Bill, this lingering "rock war" ("SABBATH VS ZEPPELIN: WHO WILL BE MASTER")from your pimply Creem magazine days, it's time to let it go.
It's all good. I mean, literally, it's all good.
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Love Zep, but everytime some kind of rockist says 'DJs don't make real music' I remind them of what Jimmy Page did.
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Whether or not the band borrowed or stole, no one borrowed or stole John Bonham and John Paul Jones.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:40 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I'll engage in whatever fucking topic I feel like, thank you.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ha, no, I meant my own engagement.
And yet here we are!
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
^if you think this is what I am doing, you're kidding yourself.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
ya srsly, regardless of where they got the songs from, they still had to play them
and they played the SHIT out of them
― Trouble-Making Foods (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
Those two guys may have, but it's kind of ruined for me by the loosy goosy, violin bow wielding sloppy guitar playing, the 26 minute rockabilly medleys and the faux-cocksman of a frontman. I'd rather listen to Beck, Bogert and Appice.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
"One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different." - T.S. Eliot
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
Nice quote, but I doubt that you can honestly argue that Zeppelin played his tunes better than Howlin Wolf
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol guys it's 2010
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
steal or not (I think it's pretty common knowledge that Zeppelin shamelessly ripped off blues musicians using the "public domain" excuse, not exactly a smoking gun), who cares? in the end, Zeppelin's music sounds great to my ears.
besides I mean using this same slippery slope are we gonna say people who don't write their own songs suck too?
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost hahah yeah srsly this is one rusty can of worms. Hasn't this been done here like 6,000 times already?
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
"One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different."And in practically every case, the original was superior than the uncredited LZ remake. I mean, Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters, etc, eat those boys for breakfast.
― Jazzbo, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
TS Eliot was a dick fwiw
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
god the electric blues is so fucking boring
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
led zep basically made it tolerable
The point of the thread is the egregiousness of their plagiarism. Obviously lots of people like the plagiarized songs, theyve sold a trillion records. I happen not to like them, which puts me in a minority, I guess. The fact that many people think they are "good" doesnt mean they werent ripped off. Which Zep acknowledged after guys like Willie Dixon sued their ass.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
well first off, that's not a slippery slope at all because the issue here is the dishonesty in taking other people's material; artists who perform other people's songs are crediting the songwriters and any money they make gets split with the people who wrote the song
signed, a classical singer
― Trouble-Making Foods (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
Actually, Bill, that quote swings both ways. I like Zep fair enough and I like Howlin' Wolf but I think it's a little late to engage in the polemic about white Englishmen ripping off black American artists. They did, were successful at it, alas, and made some good music at times, even. Imso, 'tis better at this point to encourage people to buy the originals than to disparage their love of Zep or the Stones or whatever.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
the point is, does plagiarism matter? is it worth getting worked up about?
― margana (anagram), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
um.... YES
― Trouble-Making Foods (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
I mean talk about stupid questions
― Trouble-Making Foods (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
led zep basically made it tolerableNo, they watered it down, took all the drama out of it and made it shit.
― Jazzbo, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
not a stupid question imo
xp
― margana (anagram), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Then you are stupid. Plagarism sucks.
― Trouble-Making Foods (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
the plagiarism definitely matters, it's just that like the revelation that this occurred was old even by 1990.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
Actually, and I am merely quoting the master, the best way to resolve this dispute is surely champagne and reefer.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
there was one debate I read somewhere (newsgroups???) that theorized that Led Zeppelin were subscribing to the old accepted notion amongst blues guitarists that blues was a 'shared' communal music so that ideas could be used collectively and 'borrowed', per se.
Although as one of the respondents correctly pointed out, that doesn't really apply when you're a major recording artist on a major label, rather than being an unsigned blues guitarist gigging at clubs.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
Guitar Magazine also did a fairly nice breakdown of Zep's plagiarism in an issue around 1995-1997, although they focused more on one to two specific songs ("Lemon Song" was one).
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd like to know how many albums Zeppelin sold last year. I bet it's a significant one. The plagiarism issue is still a valid one, though maybe alleviated a little bit by the fact the writers of the songs are getting a cut. Except for the poor Dazed and Confused guy. And Page did a flat out note for note rip of that song, if I remember correctly.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Manet%2C_Edouard_-_Olympia%2C_1863.jpg/300px-Manet%2C_Edouard_-_Olympia%2C_1863.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Tizian_102.jpg/250px-Tizian_102.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Venus_dormida.jpg/250px-Venus_dormida.jpg
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Actually, and I am merely quoting the master, the best way to resolve this dispute is surely champagne and reefer."
Certainly works for me.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
plagiarism or not, I can't trick my ears into not liking what I hear when "Dazed and Confused" comes on. there's no contradiction in finding the act itself deplorable while still "liking" the music
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
loosy goosy, violin bow wielding sloppy guitar playing
LOL you know what the blues really needs to make it exciting is rigid, perfectly exercised technique.
― a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
many xps yeah that's what drives me crazy--it's not that plagiarism "doesn't matter," it's that everyone knows this and knew it 20 years ago, the impacted parties are all dead, and yet the opening post of this thread is like some smoking gun shit that is suddenly supposed to do....what? how is this information supposed to impact me?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
the solo in "Rock 'n roll" is so sloppy that I gave up trying to learn it cuz I can't make out half of it. but uhm are we really talking about sloppiness as a detractor in blues-based rock 'n roll, cuz if so there's a lot of bands that will need to snap their guitar cases shut.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Q: Are the second and third in this series of pictures "deplorable"?
(Neither credits Goya)
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
hey guyz do you think HEre Comes the Hotstepper is a ripoff of Come Together
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
xxp well I didn't know all this, I find the debate mildly diverting and it's good that it has its own thread on ilm. so this information 'impacts' me for sure.
― margana (anagram), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
glad 4 u
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
hey I was just about to post those paintings! first one is Velazquez though not Goya.
― margana (anagram), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
that would be extra deplorable if they had credited goya then
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
Big payout
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
well I guess it's only a matter of time before the sister "The Quentin Tarantino Plagiarism Compendium" thread gets started on ILE.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
altho that one is fairly more engaging because it's ongoing as he's still making movies
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
My problem with Zeppelin (besides Robert Plant’s voice) is not so much that they borrowed or stole songs, but that they didn’t even bother to acknowledge those artists who helped shape their sound. The Rolling Stones once refused to appear on a TV show unless Howlin’ Wolf was given a spot, too. In the folk or blues tradition, it’s quite common to “borrow” themes, melodies, etc. — Dylan’s been doing it his whole career. But the guy has always trumpeted his admiration for those who influenced him, naming names in countless interviews for nearly 50 years now. He helped bring a lot of his musical heroes to the public eye and, yes, increase their record sales (whether they actually saw a dime of the profits or not).LZ basically said: “This is our song. Fuck you.”
― Jazzbo, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
hey, and you guys don't have Morbs to deal with in this thread!
xpost
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
I love Robert Plant's voice. also I don't think anybody here is saying "plagiarism is a-ok".
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
except for anagram
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
well I dunno if I would say it was a-ok. and I'm no Led Zep fan. but in general the knowledge that some riff or lyric or something is ripped off is not enough to spoil my enjoyment of it.
― margana (anagram), Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Hey, I think they were an awesome-sounding group (again, except for Plant, whose shrieking is more painful to my ears than nails on a chalkboard). But they managed to distinguish themselves as being even bigger twats than nearly every other multiplatinum-selling band. That takes some doing.
― Jazzbo, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Led Zeppelin is just ripped off blues, in fact their music is exactly the same as Blind Willie Johnson. In fact if people weren't so racist you could have put Blind Willie Johnson in front of an arena and it would have had the same effect on the audience as Led Zeppelin because Led Zeppelin did not actually bring anything to the music.
― Theodore "Thee Diddy" Roosevelt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 August 2010 15:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:22 AM Bookmark
The Robert Johnson Plagiarism Compendium
The Miles Davis Plagiarism Compendium
etc
― Theodore "Thee Diddy" Roosevelt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 August 2010 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is a boring argument/thread in general but I would just like to point out that this is historically inaccurate (see: Staple Singers, tons of others)
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
but that they didn’t even bother to acknowledge those artists who helped shape their sound.
I don't think this is true at all either fwiw
Page namechecks the author of In My Time of Dying from the stage in How the West Was Won iirc
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is a boring argument/thread in general....
^ then why did you click on it?
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
I didn't think Moka's post was argumentative or critical - it is interesting to pore over Zep's sources (as I enjoyed doing with this comp: http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Roots-Of-Led-Zeppelin/release/519398). But when it turned into: RIPOFF ARTISTS! J'ACCUSE then it got bad.
sorry Bill
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
I said this on some other thread but one of the things that I think gets overstated is that while Zep borrowed/stole liberally (I don't think there's anything at all wrong with this, fwiw) they're stuff rarely actually SOUNDS like the original. the production/arrangement/performance of material was a central aspect of Zeppelin, and claiming that, for example, they're version of Nobody's Fault But Mine bears anything more than a passing resemblance to Bukka's stripped-down, lo-fi original is just ridiculous.
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, that.
― Theodore "Thee Diddy" Roosevelt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^^^^^^
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Totally disagree. I like how you picked that one and not a complete and utter ripoff like Dazed and Confused. And Ive never heard Bukka White's version, but a steal is a steal.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
rock must be virtuous
― goole, Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just because you turn your amps up to 11 and feed Bonham some extra-fine Bolivian prior to recording what was originally a mellow number doesnt justify the plagiarism.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
If they had been a real band, they wouldnt have to rip guys off. Has nothing to do with virtue.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
you think they're that bad? i'm no fan, mind you, but that's QUITE A CLAIM.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
man what am i gonna do with these fake Led Zeppelin cds
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean before today i considered myself a led zeppelin fan but after being smacked in the face with this 20+ year old evidence that everybody already knew, I think it's time to reconsider....
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol "real band"
I dunno Bill these are just kinda lame ad hominem attacks
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
So i guess what Im saying is that this point is irrelevant:
"they're version of Nobody's Fault But Mine bears anything more than a passing resemblance to Bukka's stripped-down, lo-fi original is just ridiculous"
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
I can't comment on that cuz I haven't heard Bukka's, but how you got from that to Led Zeppelin not being a real band = o_O.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I'm not a fan.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
you think this sounds JUST LIKE the Zep version = you have no ears
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
I never said that. Check my post at 12:51. Arrangement and songwriting are two completely different things.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
they weren't writing a term paper jeez
― goole, Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
so let me ask this, if Led Zeppelin went back and time and wrote the exact same music but gave proper credits/recognition from the bungee, would you be a fan?
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
a complete and utter ripoff like Dazed and Confused
it is not a complete and utter ripoff fyi
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
a complete and utter ripoff would have also kept the Zep version under 4 minutes
I suspect that Bill is just butthurt that Sabbath's "War Pigs" is a COMPLETE AND UTTER RIPOFF of Zep's "Good Times, Bad Times"
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
like just cuz they changed some words around and added a long improvisatory section in the middle and slowed it down doesn't mean it isn't the worst most unforgiveable sin imaginable and btw Sabbath are not a real band
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:46 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
just because you take a boring song and make it awesome oh wait
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
the whole point of music, and especially hard rock music, is to be awesome
led zep and black sabbath were both awesome. case closed.
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
man what am i gonna do with these fake Led Zeppelin cdsOK I laughed.
― Jazzbo, Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
anyway ... back to Moka's list:
does Bonham quoting Max Roach in Moby Dick count?
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ok this list totally left off that they lifted "Immigrant Song" from The Osmonds' "Hold Her Tight."
― full of country goodness and green pea-ness (Abbbottt), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm being sued by John Cage for ripping off "4'33" while sleeping
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:54 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:56 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
When did I once mention Black Sabbath on this thread?
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
you just did
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
hilarious, i mean before that
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:23 PM
Ok then, it seems that you don't like them as a band simply cuz you don't like their songs, or in the case of the 'ripped off' songs, the way they perform them. upthread you seemed to be implying that the uncredited ripoff played a large part in your dislike of the music is why I asked.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Correct. I understand i am in the minority
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh this is TOOMUCH
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
*shrug* I know quite a few people who don't like Zep, it's not a crime.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
can't believe led zep ripped off the completely original 100% unborrowed tunes of these blues masters
― hongthrone: norsk arisk synth pop (crüt), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
this thread = The Bill Magill plagiarism of some tedious assholes I went to college with compendium
― Ground Zero Mostel (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
This thread needs customized version of http://i50.tinypic.com/vg0kmx.jpg
― The Redd, The Blecch & Other Things (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Ground Zero Mostel (Hurting 2), Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:30 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Jeez, sorry for discussing plagiarism by Led Zeppelin on a thread about plagiarism by Led Zeppelin.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:24 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark
Please to read your own display name.
― a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 August 2010 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Again, the question is when i ever mentioned that band on this thread.
― Sabbath to Ulver: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 19 August 2010 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
great thread.
i never knew the zep ripped off so many truly songs that were 1000% original in the first place.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 19 August 2010 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
TRULY
I just hope it gets someone to listen to Spirit, eh? They're a pretty great (if kinda goofY) band.
― full of country goodness and green pea-ness (Abbbottt), Thursday, 19 August 2010 18:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
― hongthrone: norsk arisk synth pop (crüt), Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:29 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
^^^ the money shot
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 19 August 2010 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
The funny thing is, The Yardbirds were doing this shit way before Plant & Page signed on.
― Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't think anybody has pointed out yet how the Beatles shamelessly and egregiously ripped off the Rutles in similar fashion, raping their career.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
if the Beatles had been a real band they wouldn't have had to rip off Chuck Berry and John Cage
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
beatles suck
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
also Tom Waits ripped off Rolf from the Muppets vocally
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've been thinking lately that Lady Gaga might have stolen a couple of things from Madonna, does anyone else think so? Maybe it's just me, but I think "Poker Face" sounds a lot like a sped-up version of "Live To Tell". What a rip off!
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rutles#Lawsuits
Following the release of the 1978 The Rutles album, ATV Music, the then-owner of the publishing rights to the Beatles catalog, sued Innes for copyright infringement. Though Innes hired a musicologist to defend the originality of his songs[2], he settled with ATV out of court for 50% of the royalties and shared songwriting credit on the 14 songs included on the album.
― The Redd, The Blecch & Other Things (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've been thinking lately that Lady Gaga might have stolen a couple of things from Madonna, does anyone else think so?
omg no!
mama monster is an original.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thanks to this thread for schooling me on the Jake Holmes track. Nice!
― Chaim Poutine (NickB), Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
"also I don't think anybody here is saying "plagiarism is a-ok"."
i'm not really here, but i think its a-ok.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm waiting for Blind Willie McTell's "Achilles Last Stand" to surface one of these days.
― Zooster vs. The Slapp (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 19 August 2010 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
ooh I see we haven't referenced Bonham's quote of Little Richard's "You Keep a Knockin' (But You Can't Come In)" At the beginning of "Rock 'n' Roll" either...
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 August 2010 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
man if i close my eyes and listen i honestly can't tell which is which
― underrated klaatu albums i have loved (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 August 2010 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
You're probably clicking the same button if yr eyes are closed.
― Mark G, Monday, 23 August 2010 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
The older I get and the more music I hear the better Led Zeppelin gets.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'll admit I 'quite liked' PhysGraf, at least parts of it anyway.
― Mark G, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
I mean in every respect — the songwriting and the musicianship and yes the STYLE (I know this is not the cw but in retrospect their exceptional taste is just more and more apparent), but mostly the sonics. I just don't own many records that sound better than the ones Jimmy Page made.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
I just don't own many records that sound better than the ones Jimmy Page made.
I've always maintained that Page is a lot more interesting as a producer than he is as a guitarist. (despite his great scenes in It Might Get Loud)
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
I agree and I don't think this diminishes his guitar playing one bit.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
been avoiding It Might Get Loud cuz of the edge but I am pretty curious about the Page bits. He was an amazing producer, the engineering on the Zep records is next level.
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
The part in his house among his record collection where he's blissing out to Link Wray is pretty great.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also re: above clip when he's in the foyer at Headley Grange explaining how they set up Bonzo's kit for Levee. Awesome.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
There's about 5-10 minutes of that movie worth watching, all involving Page. I wouldn't recommend sitting through the whole thing.
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah it's otherwise kind of a cringe-fest. The other two guys wear "hat" hats and have relatively limited perspectives/bags of tricks.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Whoever had the bright idea for the big climax to be the three of them getting together and playing that massive guitar anthem "The Weight" should be kicked in the nuts.
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
So so painful.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Absolutely the most wtf part about the whole thing, aside from the casting.
i liked the movie quite a bit, but yeah "the weight" is one of the most wtf musical moments in cinematic history. and my favorite wtf moment within that wtf moment is edge suddenly realizing, just as they're about to play it, that they've been practicing the verses wrong, with an Em chord where a Bm should go. it struck me as wft-ily odd that three guitar greats could miss that. it also made me feel significantly better about myself.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 23 August 2010 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Whoever had the bright idea for the big climax to be the three of them getting together and playing that massive guitar anthem "The Weight" should be kicked in the nuts.lol, i haven't seen this yet, but my friend who has ranted about "the weight" sequence for about six months.
― tylerw, Monday, 23 August 2010 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
ranting friend otm
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
"The older I get and the more music I hear the better Led Zeppelin gets." ― Hadrian VIII ^^^ YES.
― jaybabcock, Monday, 23 August 2010 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Copy/pasting my post from "It Might Get Loud"
Finally got around to watching this and yeah, the high-concept gave me a bad taste but the Page stuff was great. He was basically the only one of the three with anything meaningful to say and it was kinda neat seeing him quietly analyze what the other guys were doing (like the run through "I Will Follow") and then make it sound like Zeppelin.Best part: Page cutting into "Whole Lotta Love" and Edge and White both bug-eyeing out because Jimmy Page Is Playing Zeppelin Right In Front Of Them.― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:49 AM (2 months ago)
Best part: Page cutting into "Whole Lotta Love" and Edge and White both bug-eyeing out because Jimmy Page Is Playing Zeppelin Right In Front Of Them.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:49 AM (2 months ago)
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 23 August 2010 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Here is a cartoon-slide review of a book that seems to be relevant to our discussion. It has Ben Franklin as Superman leading us through the slides, but I prefer to think of the guy as Shakey Mo Collier in tights leading the pro-plagiarism brigade. Substitute the "BF" on his chest for "SMC". Enjoy:
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2010/08/23/common_as_air_lewis_hyde/slideshow.html
― Zeppelin to Howlin Wolf: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 19:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Gift is terrific book.
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
"A" terrific book, even. Ironically it was the book that convinced me to lend out books again after never getting so many back...and I never got it back :(
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, more or less. Led Zeppelin rips off the Small Faces track "You Need Loving" which was itself more or less ripped off from Willie Dixon's "You Need Love". And yet, hilariously, 20 years later Willie Dixon sues Zep instead of the Faces! And wins his share of the publishing royalies. Shrewd guy, considering that Led Zeppelin II sold 93 times as many copies as The Small Faces over the years.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
doesn't eddie kramer deserve most/all of the credit for the actual engineering on zep records?
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 23:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
I dunno I think that's similar to crediting Chuck Britz for all the weird stuff on the BB's records, or Geoff Emerick for the Beatles
― bring me your finest milksteak and a side of jellybeans (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 23:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
No.
― Veðrafjǫrðr heimamaður (ecuador_with_a_c), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 09:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
Specifically, Page swapped engineers around so people like you wouldn't say things like that (about the engineers I mean, not Kramer in particular). I mean, they seemed to manage alright without him on IV.
― Veðrafjǫrðr heimamaður (ecuador_with_a_c), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 09:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
"I consciously kept changing engineers because I didn't want people to think that they were responsible for our sound. I wanted people to know it was me."
― Veðrafjǫrðr heimamaður (ecuador_with_a_c), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 09:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sounds like a peach of a guy.
― Zeppelin to Howlin Wolf: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
If he gave all his money to earthquake victims, you'd suspect it was a tax avoidance scheme. We get it, you hate Zeppelin, etc.
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well, I saw some recent interviews. RobPlant seemed like a nice guy. Page did not.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
Task Brasil was given an enormous boost in 1997 with a very generous donation by Jimmy Page, the Led Zeppelin rock icon, who witnessed first hand the deprivation of the children and troubles in the favelas whilst playing in Rio de Janeiro. The money donated was used to buy a plot of land in Santa Teresa on which ‘Casa Jimmy’ was built to provide a safe and happy home for a lucky few of the abandoned children.
Showoff! Carpetbagger!
http://www.taskbrasil.org.uk/
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Page made those kids poor in the first place dontchaknow. also I think he killed their parents.
― bring me your finest milksteak and a side of jellybeans (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
for a 'lucky few'. WHAT ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE JIMMY?????
also jimmy has yet to deny the rumors that he killed 100,000 people in East Timor. IF YOU'RE INNOCENT WHY AINTCHOO TALKIN ABOUT IT
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Before recording Presence in 1976 Jimmy Page massacred thousands in the Laotian foothills and FAILED TO CREDIT POL POT.
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 17:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Those aren't pearl inlays in his fretboard, they're teeth.
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
"The Rain Song" totally ripped off George Harrison's "Something" - the two-chord intro is identical. But the compendium didn't mention it because Harrison himself stole it from the Chiffons.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Todd Rundgren also once accused George Harrison of stealing his production credits on some album (don't remember which one, the quote was in Guitar mgazine though)
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
(xp) and the chiffons totally ripped off jake holmes.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Steered clear of this thread for a while but it was worth clicking on to read about "The Weight."
I've always maintained that Page is a lot more interesting as a producer than he is as a guitarist.
― build my challops high (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
Must've been one of the Badfinger records.
― a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
ahh yes that's who it was
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
xposts - And Jake Holmes' "No Time Or Space" was totally ripped off without credit by Bernie Krause before Harrison ever had a chance to rip it off the uncredited Krause without credit
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Still, you have to give him credit.
― Mark G, Thursday, 26 August 2010 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
ZEPPELIN RULES!
― sport (crüt), Saturday, 28 August 2010 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink