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i just got 'gold teeth thief' the day before yesterday. my first impulse (after picking the shattered pieces of my skull up off the kitchen table) was to complain 'why didn't anyone tell me about this before?!?' but, er, actually they did, and silly me didn't listen. (a belated thanks ryan).

minna, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

so this is a thread for talking about dj /rupture.

you can download gold teeth thief here

minna, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

taking sides: gold teeth thief vs. 2manydj's.

(i should note that i've done a complete 180 from my opinions on this thread, and i now think gtt is GRATE. i'm still not sold on 2mdj's.)

jess, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

thanks jess, that thread makes a bit more sense now that i've heard gtt :)
i think of 2manydjs the way tom described it, 'a manifesto for pop music right now'. i think it works too, although having said that i admit i'm sick to death of the damn thing. is that because 'right now' was actually all the way back in march? i dunno, i just never want to hear 9-to-5/eple ever again. (admittedly, that is probably the least 'now' bit in the whole cd)

but enough about soulwax... let's talk about dj /rupture!
*as tom(again) said, gtt is where 'splatterbeat' finally makes sense ('is not pointless')
*howsabout that beautiful song at the very end of gtt!
*has anyone heard minesweeper suite?

minna, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

minesweeper suite is up to gtt standards, even more timbaland, killing me softly, nina simone, and lots of splatter breaks and ragga.

jk, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Minesweeper is killing me with how great it is. It's driving my wife crazy, though, every time she gets irritated enough to think of complaining about it, he throws in something to calm her down long enough to....start all over irritating her!

Matt Riedl (veal), Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I checked him out at Plant Bar last week. He played "Grindin"!! He only had two turntables though. It was the gabba that didn't make the cut. It was different without it. Less dense but still good. The crowd was fickle. I met Tricia Romano and had a dream about her (can't remember what). I went somewhere later and didn't have my ID. Roomie berated be all the way home - "you've got the problems of a 16 year old!"

Tracer Hand, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

anyone know any reliable online retailers that sell the new mix? or do i have to get it direct from tigerbeat6? i've already checked Other Music, Forced Exposure, Bent Crayon ....

ryan, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
Stunning. I'm not even going to contribute to the vs Soulwax thread because there. is. no. contest.

UK buyers can get most of the dj/rupture stuff from Boomkat Online.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 19 January 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Nina Simone is what MAKES Minesweeper Suite for me. It's like opening the door and being immediately hit by a blast of cold air from outside.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 19 January 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

the move into the Foxy Brown vocal on the third track is just so beautiful

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Sunday, 19 January 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

John -- that's not just the vocal, as I recall but the instrumental too. dj/rupture should do the mixing on her next album coz her last was halfway there already.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 19 January 2003 19:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

YES! Sterling I kiss you.

Also this must be considered in tandem with the fact that Lil' Kim is getting that guy whose name I can't remember from Mille Plateux who does the glitch-hop (he just released an album) to do production on her next album.

It's the robo-ho diaspora!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 20 January 2003 00:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah andreas tillander is the name of that guy i think-he already did one hiphop-y track i think,it was up on gabba.net a while ago...

robin (robin), Monday, 20 January 2003 01:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

his last Elit album was probably his most accessible work yet but it still sounds quite glitched up and severe in MP fashion. there are guest rappers on there too somewhere but it did not bode well for me, mostly because of the anonymity of the rappers i think. with Kim though it could very well be a different story..... (also, anybody hear the Timbaland-produced single yet?)

Honda (Honda), Monday, 20 January 2003 01:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I finally got around to d/l'ing GTT last week, and yes I enjoyed it, without feeling a desperate need to hear it again. (Suspect I will like Minesweeper Suite more.)

My favourite bits of GTT were actually the Nettle (Rupture and DD) tracks. U&K: has anyone heard the Nettle LP "Build a Fort, Set That on Fire" or the "Deep Waters Still Run" 12" single that came out towards the end of last year? Opinions?

Jeff W, Monday, 20 January 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Nettle album is a mix of loud noise-blasts, environmental samples, ambient electronics and stacatto beats. I thought it was pretty good as far as that goes, but it's not the kind of thing I actually want to listen to much. Like the most distorted bits of the mixes, without the funk.

Ben Williams, Monday, 20 January 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I know what you mean. But I can forsee days when that kind of thing is what I would want to listen to, albeit those days'd be infrequent.

Jeff W, Monday, 20 January 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

is that tilliander thing definitely for real then? i thought it was just a crazy rumour. i wonder if he'll use jeskola buzz for it? wow, buzz on a lil kim record, that's... strange. good, probably. (not as funny as the claim that timbaland uses fruityloops, but that probably is just a myth. yeah, the demo track is impressively close, but you could get that sound on pretty much anything, as far as i know. which is, as ever, not very far.)

, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

i couldn't be absolutely certain,but i'm fairly sure i read about the tillander/lil' kim thing in an interview with the man himself...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
well?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago) link

Careful Kid mentions new DJ Rupture mix, IlXers elucidate.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

It's pretty good. All 2003 tracks (Neptunes, some undie hip hop, but MOSTLY dancehall dancehall dancehall.) I hope he does one of these every year frankly. The Mutamussik mix is more noise-y (and older) but also pretty good. Both are short and it's out on Violent Turd/Tigerbeat6.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

is it on slsk?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago) link

Alex, can you do me this if I do the other thing that we talked about? okay, it's a deal then.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago) link

(also - are you on slsk at work?)

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago) link

His 2003 roundup from Boomkat is pretty cute, no real surprises:


Guest: DJ/ Rupture
From: Barcelona
DJ/rupture continues to run his Soot imprint, and records for the Agriculture label under his Nettle pseudonym. His mixtapes are nothing short of legendary - hopefully he'll find some time next yearto lay down some new tracks.

1 DIZEE RASCAL
Boy In Da Corner | XL | 2LP | £ 12.99 | Vote
2 T.O.K.
Could Wha | Blaxxx | Vote
3 CAT POWER
You Are Free | Matador | CD | £ 12.99 | Vote
4 MISSY ELLIOTT
This Is Not A Test | Elektra | Vote
5 VARIOUS
Pharoah Riddim | Germaican | Vote
6 DAVID BANNER
Mississippi: The Screwed & Chopped Album | Universal | Vote
7 HECKER
2 Track | Mego | Vote
8 NETTLE
Firecamp Stories Remixes | The Agriculture | CD | £ 10.99 | Vote
9 VARIOUS
Vinyl Chill 2 | Quality Streetz | Vote
10 TONOTOPIES 2
L'Archipel Des Amibes | Oyad | Vote

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not, @d@m. I'll encode it tonite and I'll leave slsk up tomorrow. My log in is my e-mail.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

pay some **money** for it!!!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:20 (twenty years ago) link

Where?

Barima (Barima), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:26 (twenty years ago) link

a shop. a place where you *buy* things. it's a mutually beneficial arangement - you exchange your money for the music, you can then listen to it and the people that put it out get what you call royalties thus enabling them to pay their bills etc.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:41 (twenty years ago) link

You realize you're talking about a CD with enormous hunks of uncleared samples?

Anyway, I bought this the moment I saw it yesterday at Mondo Kim's and it's pretty good, especially the tacky collision of 9/11-themed drill & bass, Lenny Kravitz, and something else I can't remember that follows it. I think rupture's bits are livelier than Mutamussik's, based on a listen at work.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:50 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i just realised that after i said it - kinda ruins my point, really, but fuck it, I'm sticking with it regardless of whether i'm wrong or not.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:53 (twenty years ago) link

Still, DJ/rupture and Mutamussik deserve to get paid.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:09 (twenty years ago) link

yeah - and knowing the jamaican music industry as i do, it's difficult to get people to do anything, so i can understand the odd uncleared dancehall track. you either won't get hold of people *at all* despite yr efforts or they think yr a multimillionaire and try to get you to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds to use the records... must be a bleeding nightmare!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:15 (twenty years ago) link

Is the new Rupture one yous speak of, the "53:47 Radio Mix" (or something similar) one? The opening track with Aaliyah-at-33 over R&S dub is so disarmingly, tantalisingly great, such a simple move too but OH my....plus the Bling Dawg/Sly&Robbie combination makes my headphones throb deliciously so - and that's just a few of the first tracks...

pete badmusik (pete badmusik), Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

nah that's minsweeper suite - buy the sodding thing and you'd know!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

I feel you Stelfox

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

You realise, Stelfox, that you're talking to a man 3000 miles away from you in a country where I haven't a hope in hell of buying a fucking NSYNC CD (or at least a legitimate copy)?

And, haha, Daddino otm.

Barima (Barima), Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

Daddino OTM about uncleared samples, or about Rupture's right to get paid?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah but Rupture openly shares his mixes on the net anyway! Minesweeper Suite was officially released b4 GTT cos for ages u could only actually dl GTT on his site until violent turd did a cheap cdr release!

scg, Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

Whatever. Still, it's pretty arrogant to assume that all artists share the same view on making money off they art as you do.

scg, Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

and i know that re gtt. many labels and artists offer free downloads but that doesn't mean they don't want to make a living. i just think having no intention of even considering paying for releases by small independent labels doing interesting music that you *fucking rave over* is a shitty way to consume music. it's like doing a runner without paying the bill from a restaurant where everyone's been really good to you, served you well and given you a great meal. it sucks.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago) link

oh fuck you - it's not arrogant it's common sense. you like the stuff they release it, you give them the moneyt so they can do more. imbecile.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

Stelfox - er hang on
i've got both those two, and gtt (Bought with Money and all, so's you know - I've no qualms about paying actual money for one of my fave artists' work)
The "Radio Mix" one was out some months back i think, on his own Soot label(? I've not got it to hand to check), what I presumed Alex in SF was referring to above (sounds it from the description). I simply thought there may have been another since, as i've been internet-less for ages and don't know what's been happening. sheesh.
I get where yr coming from, and agree, but I think you (us both?) got the wrong end of the stick here..

pete badmusik (pete badmusik), Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago) link

uhh
right, i've just put my brain into gear for a sec
confusion - 'Radio Mix..' and 'Minesweeper Suite' both have Aaliyah & Bling Dawg on them early on, different tracks & backing riddims/accompanying tracks though. Two different mix albums. I think this was what led to misunderstanding and shit - as I said I think we're of the same view here, think i just was caught in the crossfire as I wasn't entirely clear. Do check out that new Radio Mix though, it's stunning...

pete badmusik (pete badmusik), Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago) link

okay i'll dowload it *ducks to avoid flying objects*

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

Still, it's pretty arrogant to assume that all artists share the same view on making money off they art as you do.

It's safe to assume that if an artist consents to have his stuff released in a commercial format, he agrees with the idea of selling albums. The artist doesn't release an album for "the suckers" (i.e. everybody who isn't YOU) and then smile contentedly as you download away, secure in the knowledge that his TRUE fans appreciate that ART MUST BE FREE etc. If \Rupture didn't wanna sell records, he wouldn't release them. If you've enjoyed his work, then ethically you oughta compensate him in some way. And not by giving him a rubber check like that guy in St. Augustine who thanked me for all the music he'd copped for free and busted out some tired line about how corrupt record companies are as he scribbled "50 and 00/100" onto a check that wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.

Really there is so much hypocrisy in the "music wants to be free!" camp that some fairly interested arguments get tarred by association.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

interested

haha "interesting" ones, too

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

thank you john.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

"fair use" and "piracy" are separate issues.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 15 April 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

I should add that I agree with a large majority of what's being said here. I am a frequent downloader but also an obsessive music buyer (just ask my credit card companies!), and I am more than happy to compensate people who make brilliant music.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 April 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

Look if @d@ml wants to download something which I would just have made him a CD copy of (which is as far as I know would STILL be completely legal) I fail to see what the big deal is. This mix (Shotgun Wedding Vol. 1: The Bidoun Sessions released last week) is a limited edition (it is available both on Soot Records Website and Tigerbeat6 Records for pretty cheap). I will post the tracklist later when I can scan it at work (fuck typing all these tracks.) I bought the DJ /rupture WFMU radio mix thing last night (I had no idea this existed actually).

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

is the Mutamassik portion of the new album just the short promo mix they were selling separately as Bidoun?

also the DJ /rupture radio mix ("Pirate Style" it says on the cd) is probably my favorite of his, it's closer to a real mashup / improvisation than his others thus far.

ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Thursday, 15 April 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I think so.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

Here is the /rupture tracklist (it's too small to scan well so there was A LOT of typing involved ACK ACK ACK so don't say I don't love y'all):

1. Nass El Ghiwane - Qandile M’Daoui
Dabrye - Game Over

2. Styles of Beyond - Mr. Brown Biddy Bi-Bi Remix instrumental
Afghanistan Et Iran - Chant Turkemene
Seeed - Pharao Version

3..Sizzla - Obstacles
Seeed - Music Monks

4.0ve-Naxx - Warte
Burundi Walking Tune
Sabaya et Intifada - Min Al Mukhayyam Toulad Ru’aya

5. Kelis - Milkshake acappella
Ronin - Slick Pretty
Hecker - from 2 track 12”
Poporc - Momieculture

6. 113 Tonton DuBled
Craig Thompson - H&K riddim

7. Nettle GUT: Mehmet Irdel’s GUT remix
Buji. Banton - Champion acappella

8. Busta Rhymes - Light Your Ass On Fire Club Mix
Daniel Lewis - Version Egyptian
Busta Rhymes - Light Your Ass On Fire acappella

9. T.0 K. Coulda Wha
Elephant Man - Egyptian Dance
Trick Daddy - In Da Wind

10. Sickboy - Worst Trade Central
Tom - Cure Version

11. Jungle Brothers - How Ya Want It acappella
K - Murdah
Electric Kettle - Angry Rootsman

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

love that Hecker 12".

(Jon L), Thursday, 15 April 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago) link

that looks tight!! good to see the GUT remix.

ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Thursday, 15 April 2004 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

that first tracklist is closer to my P&J than any actual p&j ballots were!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 16 April 2004 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

Sterling & Rupture, united thru Cat Power.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 April 2004 02:00 (twenty years ago) link

Milton...are you Careful Kid? Let's call it a hunch.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 April 2004 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

sigh... if only he'd throw britney intha mix.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 16 April 2004 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

no, not a blog writer... ILM's too much to resist though.

(Jon L), Friday, 16 April 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

Look if @d@ml wants to download something which I would just have made him a CD copy of (which is as far as I know would STILL be completely legal)

You don't know, then. It is and always was copyright infringement, same as up/downloading. They just care less about that kind of copying because it's less promiscuous.

bbbb, Friday, 16 April 2004 06:18 (twenty years ago) link

i picked this up today at Aquarius. in the car, the little lady made two comments: a) this is the kind of music that's gonna make me hate you when i'm looking for parking. b) what is this random shit?! first it's all normal and good, and then it's like.......this (about the middle eastern stuff).

both comments mean that i like it. haven't really heard the 2nd half yet, but the busta rhymes over the egyptian riddim is sick and i thought the drill n' bass cure song was pretty fresh.

JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 16 April 2004 06:49 (twenty years ago) link

this looks arse. more nettle/poxy german dancehall /+ the 1 rap tune dude thought was 'futuristic' enough wordsoundy k-mart bad aftertaste smug diasporism

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 09:34 (twenty years ago) link

points off for not finding the actually dancehally 'light yr ass' flipmode rmx

'how you want it' accapella tho! woo! yay for reminding me of andy smith's the document

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 09:38 (twenty years ago) link

that's why i find it so hard to accept any of yr critical judgements, fassy. it's the fact that you can't ever make a purely aesthetic call. every negative comment becomes a flouncing personal attack (cf the "smug diasporism"). yeah, it may not be any good, you may not like it (i actually think it's okay, not his best, though) and of course, you're completely entitled to any opinion, but do you know this guy, do you have 1st-hand experience of alleged smugness? i'm betting not (he's a nice guy, as it happens). THAT'S why i don't think you're very smart.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 09:51 (twenty years ago) link

We all buy shedloads of records, and are ripped off for them. I write about music and get paid fuckall, personally I feel more than entitled to download stuff for free.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 April 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

writers are a bit different, naturally. it's reasearch - we should get everything fore free, simply for being special and important people!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

Well also it's basically working for the industry.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 April 2004 10:00 (twenty years ago) link

i'm sticking with the being important and special line, myself, coz i am.

(yay, for smugness - and hypocrisy!)

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago) link

Fassy's point is that the 'diasporism' of this kind of mix CD is inherently smug, no? Not that /rupture himself is anything other than a lovely fellow. I think it's a harmless and entertaining kind of smugness - I also like German dancehall tho.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 16 April 2004 10:12 (twenty years ago) link

the diasporism isn't something he even cares about. it's just that every single writer pushes that angle.

ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Friday, 16 April 2004 10:24 (twenty years ago) link

i think it's very difficult to use a word like smug without it having a personal impact. it's the old separation of artist from work chestnut, not really anything new to debate, but i am kinda right. i see no harm in german dancehall, either.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 10:26 (twenty years ago) link

Why is putting music from a bunch of different cultures together inherently smug?

You might as well say that pursuing some kind of monocultural purism is inherently fascistic.

Or that putting as many big pop hooks together as possible is inherently pandering.

Sure, diasporism can be smug, usually when accompanied by pretentious rhetoric (DJ Spooky) or vapid cosmic overtones (er, remember when all the ambient people were doing musical travelogues).

But Rupture doesn't do either of these things. Nor does he bland all the musics out into mush. Nor does he pretend to any kind of "fusion." Quite the opposite. He lets everything clash against everything else, keeps the noise front and center, makes connections but never at the expense of the beat. Pretty much an ideal model for this sort of thing.

Need more coffee!

bugged out, Friday, 16 April 2004 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

((I'm sure if he was a sixteen year old street kid operating on quote-unquote instinct, we'd all be just fascinated by him...)

bugged out, Friday, 16 April 2004 10:36 (twenty years ago) link

("How on earth did this unformed young genius hear this Japanese music? Amazing!")

bugged out, Friday, 16 April 2004 10:43 (twenty years ago) link

bugged out i love you; you and john darnielle are my fave persons on ilm right now

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 10:45 (twenty years ago) link

good to see someone else who sees thru condescending, paternalistic, vicarious thrill-seeking, outdated, ill-considered po-mo claptrap

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 10:46 (twenty years ago) link

yeah actually i dont find it so easy to seperate artist from work either but on the other hand i find utterly irrelevant whether or not rupture is 'a lovely chap' or whether you'd buy him a pint or not, y'know like "flouncing personal attack" versus er what dave's flouncing namedroppy and entirely selfcentred personal chummyness? i can afford to seem personal cos ... it's not.

i dont buy the inherently smug thing either tho, cos i find that rupture mixes, much like perching on a pruned opinion like "fascist rap", to do nothing to increase the charm of what he uses, i'd allow like bugged out sez that he retains some vitality with the clash aesthetic but it seems a noisy grabby unsympathetic way of doing it. he seems like he thinks he's still weaving soemthing new, tearing off revealing some greater vertigo, but i find that destructive. destructive physiognomy. and no i dont find his use of more obv stuff like egyptian riddim/'light yr ass'/kelis suggests popness but a cheap eye for the most casually yeah "futuristic" blah blah. ok the german dancehall thing was a bit harsh (electric boogie riddim *retch*) but it seems indicative of something, a more peripheral rhetorical 2nd generation mutation circle

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:00 (twenty years ago) link

oh look xpost with dave "someone else otm!!! well done friend!!!"

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:02 (twenty years ago) link

There is always a self-satisfied element in putting your own eclecticism on show (eg: any list thread/random playlist thread/what-I-just-bought thread on ILX). That probably goes double when you're selling yourself on it (eg: /rupture, or 2ManyDJs, or most good music writers). There's nothing *wrong* with that but I think it's there.

(It may well be that easier music access and a shuffle-play listening culture will make selling eclecticism increasingly difficult.)

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:04 (twenty years ago) link

selfcentred

i make absolutely no apology for this whatever. i get paid for *my* views *my* ideas *my* writing, not be or think about anyone else. my judgements are my judgements and when people know me, they either agree with me in the main and find my work useful or they think i'm a dick and don't. i don't see how this is a bad thing. re chumminess, it's not, it's just respect and a little civility. i'm not namedropping, then name's already been dropped!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:07 (twenty years ago) link

i have few friends or allies on ilm, i just like to make it known that i appreciate the rare flashes of common sense i encounter here, fassy

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:09 (twenty years ago) link

Daddino OTM about uncleared samples, or about Rupture's right to get paid?

Well, both really, but mainly the first one, which I was thinking might make this harder to find online. By which I mean shops, since I can't download at home and post from a cafe on my lunch break.

Barima (Barima), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:17 (twenty years ago) link

no of course tico, and tho i cant think of one right now someone could totally come along and make a similar rupturestyle eclectic mix and i would love it to death. and when i say charm i don't mean "ur disrespecting the cultures herein cherrypicker", like human aquariums, kitchen sink exotic that's all i ever do

hey dave when i say selfcentred i mean the opinions coming distant second to your flirting. like a wise dude once said, "you only defend things cos u like em". cudgeled swine leave me be

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

smugness i see as that natural healthy selfregard turned sick

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

haha common sense, jeez o people's everyman you may as well have said "cos quetzalcoatl said so"

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

smugness i see as that natural healthy selfregard turned sick

oh to hell with it, it's evident you are either completely insane and thus i should just keep quiet, or an absolute comedy genius because this line, literally, made me bust out laughing in my office. glass houses etc.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:31 (twenty years ago) link

I can sort of sympathise with prima's position re DJ/rupture's perceived smugness. I enjoy GTT etc. but I always wonder if he's deliberately avoiding allowing a groove to roll because to do so would allow it to be "just" dance music or pop music or whatever rather than some sort of profound cross-cultural collision wherein the records can "speak" to eachother (contra Bugged Out, I find rupture's approach much less conducive to dancing than, say, 2 Many DJs, whatever level of contempt the latter may have for their material (according to nathalie at any rate)).

Records speaking to eachother is not a concept I dislike actually, but I think it's more interesting when the conversation is unintentional or incidental or mercenary, and when the conversation is happening on a track to track basis, one word or sentence at a time. Something like GTT feels more like a staged play (which incidentally - and cos it supports my argument - Bakhtin says can *never* be dialogic!) with rupture as the director. Sorry Bugged Out but for me at least scenius *is* more interesting than genius. And maybe the problem for rupture is that scenes like dancehall already have the whole diaspora thingy so thoroughly on lockdown that his efforts sometimes strike me as simultaneously redundant and even crude, like someone explaining the meaning of the joke after the punchline.

That said I do enjoy his mixes so maybe I won't agree with all this tomorrow!

PS. Dave I still love you obv!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:33 (twenty years ago) link

and i can absolutely see where tom is coming from. i've often considered that "eclecticism" is absolutely null and void now for all the above-stated reasons. but i'd contend that it's not the diversity itself that matters any more, no "hey look at me, i'm varied innit" because it's easier for all of us to be that now, its the *connections* that are important.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:33 (twenty years ago) link

is this a joke?

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:39 (twenty years ago) link

Which part?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

but you are the connections! and precisely because the way u can have everything now people want selectas more than ever i think, and now theyre in more of a position to assert who they like more becasue they can hear what else is going on. look how specialist shops are all closing down, look how those rough trade comps are total hotcakes. i dont think rupture is bum cos he's eclectic 4 fux sake, but because he makes music suck

(never yours tim xx)

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:49 (twenty years ago) link

no it's a crushingly obvious point that i shouldn't really need to state, but it seems that you are saying that you don't like the way he makes his choices. personally on this disc i agree that the tunes are not as strong as they could be, but i like the way he weaves them together. i like the way his mind works and the narrative he creates in a mix. it's actually quite playful at times and far from po-faced which is an oft-used criticism of rupture (i know you haven't used those words, but you may as well have). like bugged out said, i think this is bullshit inverese snobbery. yeah the guy went to harvard - this doesn't make him a bad guy with a wack aesthetic immediately - and i also find the way people jump on other "street" music as being superior to this kind of stuff very close to the paternalistic prejudice seen in concepts like the noble savage or sayings like "aren't those people marvellous, such natural rhythm", not to mention the class problems. fluidity is cool, people should mix. anyway, i like rupture, i like the noise he makes and i think his motives are good.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:51 (twenty years ago) link

glad you made the above post. you're not such a fucking idiot whe you explain things, you know.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:52 (twenty years ago) link

Dave in this case the "noble savages" *are* superior but it's hardly rupture's fault that dancehall's been in an insane golden age for the length of his career!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

I should explain that better: it's not that Jammer or Lenky or whoever are better than rupture *because* they're street, they're better because they're riding the wave of a scene that's filled with really great ideas. That's what I mean about scenius vs genius - how can genius really compete really?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:01 (twenty years ago) link

i'm not disputing that at all, tim. you're absolutely right. i agree, but i don't think a lot of people use your *incredibly obvious* but absolutely correct criteria. rupture IS NOT asgood as lenky, donovan bennet, lil jon, but he is valid. a lot of people it's a "hey i'm living on the intellectual edge here liking this common black music" kneejerk dismissiveness. that's what i hate. it's so ill-conceived, offensive and really condescending to me. fassy you're right, you are the connections, be yr own eclecticist, screw anyone who tells you otherwise - don't just blanket rule shit out for the sake of it and most of all don't let a this egotistical obsession with being *right* stop you having fun or being a nice person!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:11 (twenty years ago) link

i think genius can, at least in the terms of rupture etc. once u leave that scene and its y'know certain boundaries the everything else can feel flat; when i dissed "uncovering a greater vertigo" i guess i thought in a selfconscious 'ta da!' way but an ideal selecta would have that and make it feel inclusive. maybe i'm fumbling at some paradise garage thing i dunno, but selecta idealism is v dear to me

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

that my favourite mixes dont actually exist probably isn't relevant...

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:17 (twenty years ago) link

what wold they be if they did? this is more interesting than arguing, btw

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

This perceived "edgy-via-plebian" ethos was to blame for grunge, too, unless I miss my guess! I have both "Gold Teeth Thief" and "Minesweeper Suite " (the former, o base hypocrisy, on a burnt CD strongo sent me, though without it I'd never have looked into \Rupture at all prob'ly) and think they're wonderful but quite different from their sources: intentionally distant from them somehow: but I think the distance is for me best articulated by the distance between psychedelic rock and mainstream rock of the late '60s (13th Floor Elevators = \Rupture; Janis Joplin = L'il Jon). I suspect this analogy will only work for me until I bear it out a little further, which I probably won't do. But the point is that the aloof party, the one whose work seems somehow to look askance at its source, enriches the source: which is not to say that the source "needed" enriching (i.e., is not "smug") but only that such were possible

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

well that's why i like rupture. he doesn't so much connect things as utterly recontextualise them. it is absolutely impossible to further enrich contemporary dancehall and anyone who tried or said they were going to would deserve a sound kicking in my book, but rupture does't do this - he makes it different by both association, juxtaposition, the works. even if you don't like him, you have to give him a small amonut of respect as a good, thoughtful craftsman.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

now, looking at the top of this thread, soulx are a LOT more smug than rupture, there's an attitude of "aint we clever, we can make anyone dance to any old shit", fashion-posing - with rupture you get none of the sarcastic "irony" and, crucially, his records sound *believeable*, you can tell he loves the stuff he's playing.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

that was soulwax, btw

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

"points off for not finding the actually dancehally 'light yr ass' flipmode rmx"

I stopped reading after this.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

And not just because I was busy downloading it.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

I would like to hear what Prima's ideal mix is as well. Or if not ideal, adequate...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah Soulwax are why I think even proven smugness isn't a great sin - the joke's on them not us cos their tossed-off contemptuous party mixes are about 10000,000,000,000 times better than their real actual music/mixing.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

They sort of raise the queasy question of whether "Can we redeem this?" is ever a valid qn for a musician or selector to be asking. The hardline anti-irony position would be: no.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

tim, you really make some interesting points. how about:
I always wonder if he's deliberately avoiding allowing a groove to roll because to do so would allow it to be "just" dance music or pop music or whatever rather than some sort of profound cross-cultural collision wherein the records can "speak" to eachother

i think sometimes rupture is doing this; i don't find allowing a groove to roll to be inherently superior to setting one up only to fuck it up, or vice versa. to the first point, the first half of gold teeth thief seems to me to be completely danceable throughout, though you do have to shift the style a few times to keep up. i think on the larger level what rupture's better mixes are saying is that these extra-musical structures mirror the structure of dancing (or the dance-listener's activity) naturally; ie the crashy noisey jungly bits mirror when you hit a tune you can't help but keep turning up or the dj keeps amping things up at the crest of the night.

on the other hand i think rupture also knows and interacts with the fact that most people listening to his music are doing so while chained to their computers, driving around, sitting at home, etc; places where the implication of dance is pleasurable but the mind is also free to engage with the transitions, connections, and disconnections he creates.

that might be a bit of having it both ways but it's why i find him fascinating. the 'diaspora' stuff is a red herring, why shouldn't a dj reflect his own tastes?

on a musical note: that dabrye track is hot. it's a nice bite of dj quik's style with more bassy techno to it.

rgeary (rgeary), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

My take is that at least in the past /rupture heard and drew out a diasporism that ALREADY EXISTED and so yeah its like hearing a joke explained, but its also like hearing dj mixes that you feel the artists wanted in the *first place* but no other dj was willing to give them. I mean he likes this stuff, he hears how it fits, he makes it fit! Also the whole adding drillcore beneath aaliyah, etc. was something that party djs were doing for years anyway!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

has anyone here checked rupture live? i have several times. he's very good and does allow people to dance, more flowing than the mix cds, longer mixes, slower transitions coz he has more time. the cross-cultural "conversational" aspect of his sets/mixes is always interesting, but not suffocating. in this context he lets each element breathe a little more. the diasporic thing isn't necessarily a red herring rob and the question should be: why is this something to be sneered at? (answer: it isn't, obviously).

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

he says he changes style completely depending on the crowd. in the States (where i saw him) he plays more upfront; in France he says he can do straight beatless noise and people love it.

ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

not entire sets of noise, just big undanceable chunks as in GTT.

ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i've seen him in nyc, spain and london.... v different material wise but not as *fast* re transitions connections etc as his recorded mixes. any way i'm off out, see ya

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
So has anyone heard Special Gunpowder yet and does anyone else think that this http://www.cmntours.org.uk/tours/streetmusic/programme.html
looks rather good? Worth 12 squids?

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:11 (nineteen years ago) link

So has anyone heard Special Gunpowder yet

explain.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i interviewed him about all this stuff on sunday night. he's a good guy: smart, interesting and not at all po-faced. special gunpowder is a very strong album with several stand-out, diamond tracks, veering between spoken word, bug-style cod dancehall (but more a lot more fun than k.mart), barrio funk, hiphop, noise and folk. i love it, though i daresay it will be slagged off around these parts. the tour should be well worth checking out.

stelfox, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

After countless compilation appearances, remixes, and DJ mix CDs, it's startling that DJ /Rupture has arrived at his debut album only now. Taken in by raggamuffins, punk technoids, indy hipsters, junglists, peers, and austere critics alike, he is the new face of urban music-- the potent sound of genre-bending and overcrowded city life, a post-cultural broken mirror that mashes hiphop, techno, reggae, Afro-Cuban, spoken word, bohemian rhapsodies, folk music, chansons, breakbeats, avantgarde noise, and jazz through the strainer of a DJ's mentality.
Concentrated and exhilarating, Special Gunpowder is a declaration of musical independence, an intimate and complex work where pop sensibility leaves the comfort zone to explore new directions. In short, Rupture has traveled a world of sound to create one of the most soulful albums by an electronic producer in years. Rupture is as confident with studio gear as he is behind the turntables, and not one to shy away from multi-culturalism; the album contains lyrics in three languages (English, Spanish, and French). He sessioned with Western and Arabic musicians in his Barcelona studio. There isn't a turntable in sight. (A little known fact: before he left NYC for Spain, Rupture played in a band with eight-time Grammy winner Norah Jones.) With guest appearances by Ghislain Poirier and Kit Clayton, vocals by Sister Nancy (the cut "Little More Oil" has been licensed to SoulJazz for a 12-inch), Max Turner (Puppetmastaz), Arnaud Michniak (of French cult experimental rock band Programme), ragga heavyweights Junior Cat, Wayne Lonesome, and Wicked Act, Eugene Robinson (of Bay Area avant-metal group Oxbow), and poet Elizabeth Alexander, Rupture brings together connections only he could have foreseen. Special Gunpowder is a major statement from one of the most forward-looking producers and DJs around

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:53 (nineteen years ago) link

okay i just looked it up.

wow, is "mole in the ground" a cover (or - barf - an "interpolation") of the old folk song?

xpost.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Cheers for that dave - can't wait for the record.

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:57 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a bit of both, jess. the standout track on the album is the clubfoot mix of "musquito". i've played it about 30 times in the past week, no joke. where would you go to see him myke?

stelfox, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

btw, the tracks with sister nancy etc knock that shitey exploitative, opportunistic wall of sound comp into a cocked hat all by themselves.

stelfox, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

royal festival hall most likely

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Sister Nancy! I can't wait.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

This sounds totally over-baked, but it might still be good.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
On first listen, Special Gunpowder sounds excellent. Lot of dancehall flavor, and that opening spoken word piece about Philadelphia and watermelons is great.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I am definitely going to pick this up.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

so, should i go pick up Special Gunpowder today? i haven't really seen any reviews (i also haven't been looking)

i really liked that last thing (the Rupture / Mutamussik split), but after a few listens, didn't like it anymore. i think it mostly had to do with the Mutamussik half?

JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

get it and then give it to me.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Get it, well worth the cash. There are a surprising amount of full fledged songs on it. It's probably the most accesible thing he's done, but there is still plenty of diversity through and through.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

It is excellent, super good, really diverse and really thoughtful, I love the amount of restraint he shows in when to go hard n heavy and when to let the vocalists lead, it's awesome. But I would say that about any record that samples Sudden Infant.

Drew Daneil, Monday, 11 October 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay I'm fuckin' sold. I'll buy it this week.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 11 October 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm only 7 tracks in (had to pause to watch the Surreal Life). it's pleasant, but definitely underwhelming. i didn't realize that this was all produced by him and not another mixcd. doesn't he have other pseudonyms for this kinda stuff (nettle? i dunno i've never heard it)? i'll report back after i listen to the whole thing, but maybe i just like his tastes in music better than i like the music he makes? (diplo?)

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone know if there's anywhere a guy in montreal can get this?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i bought mine at the http://aquariusrecords.org/ store. it's not on their site yet, but they just haven't reviewed it yet. i'm sure you could email & inquire. US$15

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmn. Okay this is good, but I can't shake the feeling that it would be better if he'd maybe cut down the # of collaborators and just concentrated on one or two vocalists or styles. Cuz damn this record is all over the place. The 4 best tracks (Sister Nancy, the latin #, the French click hop # and the Shockout track I have on 12" already) sound almost nothing like one another.

I also wish these guys (Rhythm & Sound, /rupture, Bug) would just do whole albums with forgotten dancehall singers/deejays like Cornel Campbell, Cutty Ranks and Sister Nancy. It's a win-win people! These folks are way better than most of their vocal collaborators (excepting Rhythm & Sound who get pretty good talent all around) and I have no idea what Ranks and Nancy are doing these days, but I can't imagine they would chafe at the idea at making new fans (esp. since none of these folks has torn up the charts in Jamaica in years.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

This is one of the best threads I've seen, practically a mindsweeper's suite its own self (and not to be confused with a brainwasher's suite). Never seen this kind of album discussed with such concentration of all contributors. So, how does Rupture (also Soulwax, anyone else) compare with say Avalanches, or Jason Forrest (especially him)? I really like Freelance Hellraiser, Freelance Hairdresser, not so much Richard X's album overall(pace Annie from Norway and some other elements), also like Soulwax's re-re-mix of Shadow's "Six Days," and my fave comp now is Toop's HAUNTED WEATHER, but the only mash-up album, or closest to it, that I've heard is Avalanches. What's the best Rupture or other that I should start with (and what about Jason)?

don, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Get Gold Teeth Thief. It's probably his best mix (and one of my favorite mixes ever.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

alex, i've found that the diversity of vocalists settles into a strength after a lot of spins through. the beats connect from one track to the next in really clever ways and it does gel into a coherent whole. i would definitely love love love it if rupture et al would do full albums with these neglected vocalists, i think that would be fantastic too.

metonymus prime (rgeary), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i like this but somehow i fucking scratched my copy the second day i got it

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it's really boring

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I also got the Tigerbeat6 Shockout compilation this weekend and it's quite good as well (although perhaps it might be somewhat same-y for some people) and a pretty good buy for people who didn't want to shell out for the original 12"s (which are still in print actually.) I wish they had included the instrumental on a couple of tunes though (the Soundmurder/SK-1 remix for example.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
one month passes...
I've got his Resonance FM Post Election Mix, Low Income Tomorrowland, and some other one with a weird title. It seems like there are at least a couple moments in each that work really well and I end up listening to at least one a week -- the resonance fm mix was on heavy rotation in my car for a while last winter.

Is there anyone else out there who really likes rupture's mixes?

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

yup!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Hell yea, I even love just throwing the cut up mixes on the ipod. Its wonderful when one of the mixed tracks comes on. Like the sade/dancehall/breakcore track.

The mole track on Special gunpowder is also a standout.

Check out his blog:
http://www.negrophonic.com/words/

he is into sleep and doom metal now as well!

hector (hector), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Some amazing stuff on this:

http://www.sonar.es/alacarta2006/alacarta_eng.htm#

I'm pretty excited about the Maga Bo mixtape that's supposed to be out sometime this month. I saw him at the Rickshaw a couple of weeks ago and he did an amazing DJ set (total grime/senegalese hip hop/snap/baile funk mashup.) Apparently /rupture will be doing a set there next month as well (for the same night, some Six Degrees related thing.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 2 February 2007 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Nice set of mixes at that link.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 2 February 2007 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

eh

UART variations (ex machina), Friday, 2 February 2007 00:54 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I can't seem to find the Ex/rupture tour thread (boo google) but I figured I'd post here that the Jem Cohen Ex concert film BUILDING A BROKEN MOUSETRAP is really really worthwhile (I saw it with BLESSED ARE THE DREAMS OF MEN which is scored with a fantastic Andy Moor solo guitar piece--I think--which he really should release somewhere.)

Also /rupture is doing a set on WFMU on Saturday 9am-10am. Yay!

Alex in SF, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

I forgot how fun those early mixes are! Hi Alex!

How is /rupture doing these days and who else is currently working in a similar tradition?

admrl, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:41 (fifteen years ago) link

and i see from his blog that he has a new mix out which I promptly bought:
http://www.turntablelab.com/cds/170/399/52098.html

luv the internet sometimes. SOMETIMES

admrl, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link

admrl, do you know Maga Bo? His podcast recalled dj/rupture.. it's on the link below, podcast 37

http://www.weareie.com/2008/04/blogariddims-top-40.html

mmmm, Sunday, 10 August 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Maga Bo is pretty great. He has a mix out on Soot (/rupture's record label) and a new album out soon.

/rupture has a weekly radio show on WFMU which is good stuff.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 10 August 2008 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link

sweet thanks!

admrl, Sunday, 10 August 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

That Turntable Lab mix is really great.

/rupture also has a new mix out on Agriculture which appears considerably mellower (and less pop) than most of his other stuff.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Urgh, this thing is really freaking me out...!

http://www.negrophonic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/4.gif

baaderonixx, Friday, 24 October 2008 12:43 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

i'm digging on uproot (although the second half is more ambient and kinda boring)

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 19 December 2008 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link

i really like it.

he played here the other night. it was fun. i wore a tie.

s1ocki, Friday, 19 December 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm liking Uproot too, even the ambient stuff, but find myself wishing for at least a bit of the old short sharp shocking. Still listen to Gold Teeth, Minesweeper and that Mutamassik split on a regular basis, much more than the more subdued Special Gunpowder. Which makes me wonder how the new one will fare in the long run.

Bored American Aerospace Defense Command (BORAD) (contenderizer), Friday, 19 December 2008 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link

uproot is nice

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 19 December 2008 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I pulled out Minesweeper Suite the other week, still holds up nicely. Haven't heard the new one yet.

ilxor, Saturday, 20 December 2008 06:18 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

I've been leaving this new collaboration with Andy Moor on in the background at work.

mh, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link

been doin the same with that mutamassik live in dubai cd

Omani Revolutionary Army - A'aish El Shaab (Raggamuffin Mix)

^^^ headbanger.gif

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Omani Revolutionary Army - A'aish El Shaab (Raggamuffin Mix)

Yeah where the hell is this from? Would totally dig more stuff in this vein.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link

if you google it the only ref is the dang dj/rupture mix

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link

2004 post-election mix is the rad
also I have way too much of this wfmu podcast to consume and it is mostly educational

Snop Snitchin, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyway I actually like the Mutamassik half of that particular mix better than the /rupture half (although he's got plenty of mixes that I like better than both.) I kind of forgot about her until recently, but she has her own label and just released an EP.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link

i didnt know it was split i just figured it was a collabo

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah /rupture's half ends with the Jungle Bros remix and Mutamassik starts with the Omani Army one.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link

wow yeah my respect for rupture just dropped down 2 the floor all my fav shit is on the 2nd half

who is this mutamassik chick & why is she not making me eggs right now

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

hold up

http://www.discogs.com/DJ-rupture-vs-Mutamassik-Shotgun-Wedding-Vol-1-The-Bidoun-Sessions/release/316298

Credits: DJ Mix - DJ /rupture (tracks: 12 to 22) , Mutamassik (tracks: 1 to 11)

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

i'd love to hear that. i listen to the wfmu podcast on the regular too.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Discogs is wrong. His half is first and Mutamassik is second.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah that seems right

anything else from mutamassik i should check for?

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

There is a comp on Sound!Ink that's really good. The War Booty EP on Soot is her best work, I think, but it's almost all on the Sound!Ink comp.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link

mutamassik back end isn't any better than rupture up front. then again, no worse, and i've always kinda wondered why she dropped off the map, while he went on to not-fame and not-fortune. maybe she's just puts less stuff out? do look up war booty though.

They don’t understand. And I eat a lot of matzo brie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Because she never had a mix as high-profile (or as good) as Gold Teeth Thief basically.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link

agree, but her half of the shotgun wedding collab suggests that she's got something going on. maybe just to me

They don’t understand. And I eat a lot of matzo brie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 17:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I agree she does, it's just that like, as in many things, the world had room for one semi-famous globe trotting ethno-hip hop-dancehall-connecting dj and /rupture turned out to be it. To be fair to him though, he's really put the work in whereas she's had one released mix so far (split with him.)

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 17:47 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, i was gonna suggest "lack of dedication?" but that seemed mean. a lot of things boil down to just that though

They don’t understand. And I eat a lot of matzo brie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link

she had a few years head start, had a night in NYC I went to a few times - when rup dropped I thought of him as a mutamassik that would drop in more handholds of familiarity.

there was a more recent shotgun wedding edition he split, with filastine I think... his stuff from that (notable for use of neko case acapella) better than the massik split I thought.

Snop Snitchin, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link

cannot process "use of neko case acapella" and "better" in the same sentence

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Really? I think that half is his weakest mix (although it is better than the Filastine half.)

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link

It's just a snippet of "Dirty Knife" IIRC.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

oh, just that

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Haha well I was meaning that it isn't some crazy blend. That said there is a tune on the same mix that uses a significant portion of a Joanna Newsome vocal.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

ah so this is where the mutamassik talk is. her new free album is really awesome so far - http://www.roughamericana.com/publicfiles/MUTAMASSIKThatWhichDeathCannotDestroy___.zip

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:53 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

this is beautiful http://www.negrophonic.com/2010/rembetika-solace-hour/

rahni, Monday, 10 May 2010 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Hah, has DJ /rupture been looking at this thread? He just mentioned the raptor child rave scene gif on twitter.

mh, Monday, 10 May 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it's just one of his favorite gifs. The link above is from his site.

Excited about the Moor Rembetika show tonight.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh that right, it's on WFMU tonight. The Ex go Greek?

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

lex upped the new/recent mutamassik lp that which death cannot destroy a couple months back, but no one picked up on it. it's weird stuff, intriguing, though not likely to increase her profile much. fragmentary, dubbed-out sound collages built around middle eastern folk and dance music (as per usual). mostly low end throb and a few ragged surface repetitions, all shifting constantly, woozy, psychedelic. lots of hand percussion, "ethnic" instrumentation and turntablism drifting in and out. which is to say that it might have come out on wordsound in the early 00s, aka illbient. like a punk badawi maybe, or spooky gone bedouin vampire. zombie dance mix assembled by christian marclay from broken adrian sherwood records. something oddly gothic about it, too, in the understated menace and crepuscular spookshow vibe. it sounds like music not of the revolution, but of its smoldering aftermath. tent city shit, despairing techno primitivism. relentlessly anti-pop, no repurposed hits, rhythms all crippled and bent, intentionally (?) awkward sounds and transitions. i.e., art school political punk all the way, but charming for that. while i can't say it invites or commands attention, it easily holds my interest from beginning to end. recommended if you were ever interested in any of the above referenced.

contenderizer, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

"Oh that right, it's on WFMU tonight. The Ex go Greek?"

Not really. More like noisy rembitika.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

"it's weird stuff, intriguing, though not likely to increase her profile much."

Especially since as far as I can tell she's only releasing as 160 mp3s for free on her website.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, too bad about the sound quality. if you're gonna release it mp3 only, might as well give us decent files, right? and her myspace page bums me out. play counts range from 500 to like 2. :,,,(

contenderizer, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Think I am going to buy this Andy Moor Rebitika thing. Sounds great.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

does ilm still care for dj/rupture

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 25 April 2014 01:53 (ten years ago) link

my first thought was 'fairtrade diplo' but that feels unfair

ogmor, Friday, 25 April 2014 02:02 (ten years ago) link

lol

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 25 April 2014 02:12 (ten years ago) link

his wfmu show was so great.

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Friday, 25 April 2014 02:19 (ten years ago) link

i heard massive amounts of music from everywhere

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Friday, 25 April 2014 02:19 (ten years ago) link

I still care about /rupture. Early mixes are still among my favorites.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 April 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link

GTT is so burned into my brain now that it is sorta dull when i go back.

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Friday, 25 April 2014 02:25 (ten years ago) link

i'll always love about half the uproot album (and the whole thing is compelling).

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 25 April 2014 02:25 (ten years ago) link

Would like to read the books his Mudd Up book club is reading

http://www.negrophonic.com/?s=mudd+up+book+clubb

curmudgeon, Friday, 25 April 2014 13:13 (ten years ago) link

i still care but he's working on a book more than music these days.

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 25 April 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

http://www.jaceclayton.com/gallery/enkutatash/ Ethiopian New Year's and 9/11 event

Enkutatash is a large-scale public choral work by Jace Clayton commissioned by the 5x5 Festival. It will premier in Washington D.C. on September 11, 2014. The score for Enkutatash is based on the Homeland Security Advisory System, the U.S. government's 5 level color-coded terrorism threat alerts which ran from 2002 to 2011. Enkutatash treats the changing threat-level data as a musical score, which will be sung by local choir groups and the audience, using the five-note (pentatonic) musical scale of D.C.'s Ethiopian community. Each note corresponds to a threat level color, and each day is a second – allowing us to sing the nine years of Threat Level Advisories in 45 minutes. Accompanying the sustained choral tones, an Ethiopian vocalist and masinqo (one-string African violin) player will perform a composition by Clayton based on a traditional East African harvest song. During the performance, the score will be indicated by light bulbs and colored flags. This simple visual system lets non-musicians participate, and will remain installed for duration of the festival. The slowly-changing US Threat colors constituted a song of fear, war, and suspicion. Enkutatash seeks to transform that it into its opposite: a song of planting, harvest, sustenance and seasonal time. Ethiopia has a unique calendar system whose New Year occurs on September 11th. This holiday is called ‘Enkutatash’, and is a celebration of family, neighbors, and yearly cycles. Clayton’s Enkutatash takes its name and premier date from this as an alternative to the geopolitically fraught connotations of 9/11 -- transforming a political warning into communal music.

curmudgeon, Friday, 29 August 2014 01:08 (nine years ago) link

There's gonna be a NY sneak preview too

curmudgeon, Friday, 29 August 2014 13:54 (nine years ago) link

I think tomorrow the 5th bit I am not seeing the details anywhere

curmudgeon, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link

Might get rained out

curmudgeon, Thursday, 11 September 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link

No rain. A mix of minimal avante-classical choral vocals with Ethiopian instrumentation and vocals...Kinda interesting though dull at times

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 September 2014 14:31 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Just pointing out the 2015 Mutamassik (Giulia Loli) release, Symbols Follow is out and its the best thing I've heard of its kin in some while.

Most if not all, in disjointed order, in this playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQWlVGWCwsc&list=UUGCKxBp-vrR_wiLlkXV8IFg

gate gate paragate parasamgate (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 October 2015 04:31 (eight years ago) link

eleven months pass...

He's got a book, and is talking about it in NYC tonight with J Shep. I'm curious about it, but haven't read it.

Jace Clayton With Julianne Escobedo Shepherd

Travels in Twenty-First-Century Music and Digital Culture is the debut book by Jace Clayton, also known as DJ /rupture. The book takes readers around the world to investigate how a broad spectrum of cultures have responded to and incorporated new technologies into their musical forms.

7 pm at McNally Jackson Books, 52 Prince Street, New York

curmudgeon, Thursday, 15 September 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link


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