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I was kind of hoping someone else would start this thread. On paper they should be the worst band in the world.

Ryan Olsonm, Vernon and Mike Noyce from Bon Iver, Zack Coulter and Adam Hurlburt from Solid Gold, POS from Rhymesayers, Doomtree artist Dessa, The Rosebuds' Ivan Howard and Jake Luck and Nick Ryan of Leisure Birds get together to make a 'blue-eyed r&b' record, that worships at the altar of 10cc's I'm Not In Love and never varies from a solid 69 bpm.

However it is fast becoming my album of the year.

Spam or not there are some tunes here including 'The Gaudy Side Of Town' and their superlative inducing cover of Godley and Creme's 'Cry'

There are hyper-compressed drum fills, mimicking Phil Collins, mimicking someone shooting Phil Collins and coke blind sax solos that veer giddily between smooth cocktail bar noodling and free rage... But how did something so potentially naff sounding end up so awesome?

Duran (Doran), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 16:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

A chub, in this context, being a conflation of a chop and a thub.

Duran (Doran), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 16:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

this whole thing is so weird for me

you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 16:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

this whole thing is so weird to me (but "gaudy side of town" is dope as fuck imo)

The Reverend, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 16:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

is that the actual Godley&Creme dude that keeps popping up in that video?

andrew m., Wednesday, 19 May 2010 16:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I thought it had Henry Rollins as well but a dude from Minneapolis emailed me to say it was their mate who is a chef and not the former singer of Black Flag.

Duran (Doran), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's a surprisingly good album, especially given how much I hated the PR announcement for it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

You didn't give it that much love on AMG though Ned...

I must admit when I bought the vinyl, I was disturbed by the cartoon of all the various members in a hot tub together but it's all good apart from that.

Duran (Doran), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

this whole thing is so weird for me

― you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:16 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

yeah

taylory dayne (goole), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

right? it's like i just expected this to stay on the city pages gimme noise blog.

you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

xxpost -- Seems to grow a bit more on a relisten! Such is the nature of judgment, I guess.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm just very skeptical. i haven't liked much of anything that any of the people involved have done, aside from the bon iver album. solid gold i really don't like at all. enough with the leisure suits...

but, you know, don't hate, appreciate

taylory dayne (goole), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Only joshing Ned! I thought your review was fair.

Taylor: that's my point. I also dislike most of the people involved and the style of music... but I can't stop playing this.

Duran (Doran), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thanks!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

for the record, all the ppl that i know involved in this are really nice and cool ppl

you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

That's not what I meant. Obviously. Christ. I dislike their music. I'm sure they're all stand up guys and gals...

Duran (Doran), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is it it supposed to end as abruptly as it did?

The Reverend, Monday, 24 May 2010 12:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

dope album btw

The Reverend, Monday, 24 May 2010 12:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

This album is fucking fantastic.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 7 June 2010 04:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

No further input that agreeing that this album is great.

krakow, Monday, 7 June 2010 10:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

i mean it is great, but i just can't imagine what prompted anyone to listen to it in the first place?

plax (ico), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

i can't think of anyone who i'd rather hear do coke-blind sax solos more than michael lewis

emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

jordan do you know fat kid wednesdays? he is a great in that

m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

yup, only on cd and only heard it once though.

emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

they usually do monday nites in the basement of the turf if you ever happen to be in town then i highly recommend...have not heard their CD is it good?

m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

jt bates is a badass drummer

m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ryan Olsonm, Vernon and Mike Noyce from Bon Iver, Zack Coulter and Adam Hurlburt from Solid Gold, POS from Rhymesayers, Doomtree artist Dessa, The Rosebuds' Ivan Howard and Jake Luck and Nick Ryan of Leisure Birds get together to make a 'blue-eyed r&b' record

i just...what? no. i refuse to believe this is any good. this is some elaborate prank, i'm sure.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not the kind of r'n'b you listen to.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is p good

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is the loveless of indie r&b

m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

they usually do monday nites in the basement of the turf if you ever happen to be in town then i highly recommend...have not heard their CD is it good?

it was in a friend's car so i don't remember much, but it's probably not as good as they are live. jt bates is great for sure.

emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I love this album! It's like if A Mountain of One had decided to make an entire album out of "Freefall" rather than "Innocent Line".

Tim F, Monday, 19 July 2010 10:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

i like this album but p much never remember any of it besides "gaudy side of town" which is amazing

BIG MEECH aka the larryhoover (The Reverend), Monday, 19 July 2010 10:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was sat in the garden listening to it at the weekend and still love it. I really worry about stuff that's got a bit of a pot head sensibility to it but this is amazing *in spite* of all that stuff - especially the sleeve 'concept'.

Duran (Doran), Monday, 19 July 2010 16:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

omg what

http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenoise/2010/10/gayngs_austin_c.php

goole, Monday, 11 October 2010 19:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Holy Shit!
Gayngs' Austin City Limits set canceled after bus driver absconded with gear

goole, Monday, 11 October 2010 19:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

"gaudy side of town" is v. dope

Pitchfork.com, a music recommendation Web site (The Brainwasher), Monday, 11 October 2010 19:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cj star buses cj Curtsinger says:

I am the owner of the bus that gaynges was riding on the bus was not stolen it was taken away for non payment the tour manager told

me f you he was not going to pay they were fully aware of their situation and were told in Austin to get their gear off they did not so I had my driver to take it to Nashville until they paid for the ride you don't ride for free and they had no intentions of paying so they can thank their tour manager for this is not my fault I did not steal the bus it's a bad situation but they should have took care of business and did not want to

goole, Monday, 11 October 2010 19:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

pretty great cover of Sade.

http://www.daytrotter.com/dt/gayngs-concert/20032270-37382393.html

definatelypoopsmcgee (chrisv2010), Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

this album really owns

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

pretty great cover of Sade.

ugh, oh no they didn't

i was not impressed at all by the couple of songs i heard by this group

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

they did!

definatelypoopsmcgee (chrisv2010), Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

i dont care for the album all that much, but i like the sade cover.

definatelypoopsmcgee (chrisv2010), Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Cry" on the album is as good as "gaudy side of town"

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 October 2010 20:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

I suspect that How To Dress Well will end up overshadowing Gayngs in the plaudit stakes on account of ticking more 2010 indie boxes, but I can't help preferring Gayngs' attention to songcraft - "Cry" definitely, but these guys could abandon the R&B/soul references and just make tunes like "Faded High" and I'd still like them.

Tim F, Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

How To Dress Well is an exercise in nothingness. I don't get the adoration at all.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

how to dress well is such a dumb band name.

i don't hear much songcraft from gayngs - "cry" and "gaudy side of town" just meander pointlessly for far too long, and they're so ersatz and affectless.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

How To Dress Well is an exercise in nothingness. I don't get the adoration at all.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

cf dubstep

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

"meander pointlessly" and "ersatz" yes ("affectless" no) - but listen with "balearic" ears and these qualities make a lot more sense. Which is one reason that they make me think of (early) A Mountain of One, who operated according to a similar dynamic (and repelled a lot of people in the process I think).

This is something I said about neo-balearic stuff a couple of years back and I think it applies here:

"Perhaps the other key difference between Balearic and disco-punk is the way in which the two styles pursue their strategies of intensification. Disco-punk approaches its desired fusion very seriously, combining urgent disco rhythms with the most honest-to-goodness rock signifiers it can think of (jagged guitars, shrieked vocals, songs about girls and politics), as if to say: “I can be both of these things absolutely without compromise.” Balearic’s strategy is more oblique, preferring to fail on both rock and dance music’s terms, as if by doing so it could establish a new yardstick. As dance music it’s too torpid, decadent and tentative; as rock it’s simultaneously blanched-out and excessively manicured. A lot of my favourite records this year felt a bit like inspired failures: on Kathy Diamond’s gorgeous ballad “I Need You”, the arrangement drifts from deep sublimated bass riffs into an unnecessarily loud and showy percussion work-out, the yawning gap between Kathy’s delicacy and the robustness of the drums coming on like some lurid combination of alcohol and pink lemonade I can’t stay away from."

Tim F, Thursday, 14 October 2010 23:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm still undecided as to whether how to dress well is the worst music ever or if i'm actually kind of into it. constantly catch myself oscillating between feelings of disgust and groovin

samosa gibreel, Friday, 15 October 2010 00:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

me 2

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 October 2010 00:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

How To Dress Well is surprisingly brilliant live. Or at least he was when I saw him in London over summer.

Faded high is such a great song off Relayted.

Duran (Doran), Friday, 15 October 2010 01:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

me 3

Tim F, Friday, 15 October 2010 01:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

"meander pointlessly" and "ersatz" yes ("affectless" no) - but listen with "balearic" ears

if i do this, it's just a less-satisfying version of actual balearic music, without any of the detail or lush sound design that i prize there. (bear in mind i never particularly liked a mountain of one ,or anything that veered too much to the beardo end of the spectrum)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm still undecided as to whether how to dress well is the worst music ever

give me a how to dress well song to listen to so i can decide for you

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

dude you would hate this shit i don't even need to

samosa gibreel, Friday, 15 October 2010 08:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

like, the first three seconds will repulse you

i really like that song tho

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

hahaha otm about the first three seconds

samosa gibreel, Friday, 15 October 2010 08:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

is it meant to sound like that?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

like, recorded in a toilet?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i guess, that's one thing i've never understood

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

(genuine qn, it could well be shitty youtube quality)

(not that it sounded like it'd be good anyway)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh so it is meant to sound like that

an insult to well-dressed people everywhere imo

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

haw

anyways yr totally right, its awful music -- blatant incompetence mustered up as art. just sometimes, idk, you catch yourself nodding your head to the hand clap beats & getting into that big lo-fi reverby wall of sound. against all better judgment

samosa gibreel, Friday, 15 October 2010 08:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

a lo-fi wall of sound seems to fundamentally misunderstand what's good about a wall of sound

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 15 October 2010 08:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ward Fowler, Friday, 15 October 2010 08:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

a lo-fi wall of sound seems to fundamentally misunderstand what's good about a wall of sound

disagree completely, but that's to be expected. massive walls of sound are one of the few things that fuzzed out, bargain-basement lofi recording can really get across.

contenderizer, Friday, 15 October 2010 09:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

soz really didn't mean to post such a big image...but look at those fuckin stacks!!

Ward Fowler, Friday, 15 October 2010 09:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Whose sound rig is that?

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

grateful dead's (circa '74 - you can actually see em rehearsing at the bottom of the pic) - they called this set up 'the wall of sound', hence...

Ward Fowler, Friday, 15 October 2010 10:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

you wont need me where im going is pretty affecting imo but it has nothing to do with r&b

teflon dawn (uptown churl), Friday, 15 October 2010 11:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

How To Dress Well is an exercise in nothingness. I don't get the adoration at all.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

cf dubstep

guess you don't like beats

the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Friday, 15 October 2010 13:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thing is: strip away the appalling production on HTDW's records and when you see Tom Krell live, suddenly he's ace. He does a particularly good song over a loop from Jacko's Baby Be Mine which is great. I don't get what all the 'fashionably distressed' piss poor recording technique is about on his studio output... (which there's also too much of).

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 16 October 2010 01:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

his cover of "i wish" is really good

agree w/ doran's last sentence

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 16 October 2010 01:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

'gaudy side of town' is A++++++++++ top ten

whats goin on witchu iron mane (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 05:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

btw idg why 'chub licker' is in this thread title

big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 05:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

trip hop >>>> dubstep

smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 05:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't understand why How To Dress Well is getting all the critical plaudits and everyone has forgot about Gayngs. I enjoy this much more.

Tim F, Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

totally

big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

man i need to start paying attention to music again. this is great! and its been out for months!

max, Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

cynical answer: how to dress well fits into a storyline

big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah shit, this is totally max music

big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

gayngs is from minneapolis (right?) and htdw is from brooklyn/germany?

max, Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

yes altho i think HTDW is/was based in chicago when he started poppin off

big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

also gayngs doesnt use enough triangles in their aesthetic

max, Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I love this album! It's like if A Mountain of One had decided to make an entire album out of "Freefall" rather than "Innocent Line".

― Tim F, Monday, July 19, 2010 6:50 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this got me really excited but if anything i wish the album sounded MORE like freefall

max, Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I was sat in the garden listening to it at the weekend and still love it. I really worry about stuff that's got a bit of a pot head sensibility to it but this is amazing *in spite* of all that stuff - especially the sleeve 'concept'.

― Duran (Doran), Monday, July 19, 2010 12:42 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

*shakes head sadly*

max, Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

this got me really excited but if anything i wish the album sounded MORE like freefall

Well this is a general principle w/r/t all rock pretty much, I would think.

Poor Gayngs, so close to being triangulastic:

Tim F, Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, if only there were more freefalls. but ill settle for more im not in loves, i guess. is that old kevin godley in the "cry" video?

max, Thursday, 18 November 2010 08:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

ah i see thats been covered. good sport.

max, Thursday, 18 November 2010 08:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

OK, I give up. This rules. Wish I didn't wait so long to hear this, as I have a few friends involved. I don't love Bon Iver, I think that's why I avoided it initially. Hope the rest is as good as "The Gaudy Side of Town."

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 18 November 2010 12:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha this whole thing sounds like it's been made up for a WFMU Best Show call-in

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 November 2010 12:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Mick Nick Pick Mick Nick"

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 November 2010 12:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

love this album so much i can even tolerate the rap at the end

max, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 08:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 08:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

"last prom on earth" is actually one of my least favorite things here, but it seems to get high praise? idgi. "faded high" people!

Tim F, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 08:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

besides gaudy side of town and cry, i like 'no sweat,' unsurprisingly

max, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 08:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Faded High has graduated to my favourite track on the album also.

(Chub Licker was a reference to the anticipatory Fall new album thread which was around when I first posted this.)

Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 09:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

"No Sweat" is great also, yes.

Tim F, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 09:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I may never get to hear the album because I just keep listening to "Gaudy Side of Town" over and over again.

Live version is just as wonderful.

The Amy Misto Family Knife (Plasmon), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 05:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

This album was surprising flop. Don't think I saw it on a single 'top ten of 2010' list. I thought this shit would blow up. Maybe they should have sang more about the beach.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

dope vid!

yuoowemeone, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Man this record really falls off at the end doesn't it. Still, the good stuff is pretty damn good and 'Gaudy Side' has been my nonstop jam for a while now....

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

one of my most listened to albums of the latter end of the year, but seriously this thread title. i never would have clicked on it had i not been searching for it

jaxon, Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

I thought the title of the record was chub licker for the longest time. Glad I didn't GIS it.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

This really reminds me of the 'National Trust' album from a few back 'Dekkegar' and a bit like some of the Shaun Smith stuff...basically White Americans take on R&B...

sonnyboy, Friday, 14 January 2011 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

If I'd heard it before the poll, I'd have put Relayted right near the top of my ballot. I absolutely love it.

Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Friday, 4 February 2011 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Why are people comparing this to How To Dress Well? That album didn't move me at all. This however, this is like being hurled into orbit in a tiny metal spacecraft while listening to Radio 2 under heavy sedation. It's got more in common with Ariel Pink than anyone else, if only for the "pop through a dirty lense" approach.

Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Friday, 4 February 2011 14:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

The original 'cry' fucking rules

forest zombie (Vasco da Gama), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

the last ten seconds are awesome

peacocks, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

finally listening to the album, this is rad

i was totally disappointed though when that cliche romantic electric bell piano patch showed up at the end of "crystal rope" and it turned out to just be interlude noodling and not the intro to a real song

ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 07:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is the worst album in the world, and the fucking up of the totally awesome original godley and creme is its feed you a crap sandwich calling card

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 07:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

lets agree to disagree

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

nah this is shit.

srsly have no idea why this cover exists outside of hipster lols look all my pals are in a video recreation + look we can pitch shift too. its completely terrible. and lots of these peeps are great when they're doing their own thing, but its like their shitty one off "lol aor" joke is the fucking critical bees knees. wtf

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

sorry to go so aggro, im just so bummed out that this seems to be the new face of the MPLS/STPL music scene when it is just so laughably awful and irritating in every way

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

pretty sure lots of ppl like it for more than 'hipster lols'

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

well i think the point is that it's NOT going for lols & instead it seems to most ppl like they have a genuine appreciation for the music

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

huh

i mean im glad to be wrong, but nothing in their version of the video says anything other than "pomo obscure reference that people will get if theyre in the know oh shit look we got that actual old dude to be in our video check it" to me. obv part of this is that i think the cover itself is pretty much 100% nudge nudge get it awful.

and sorry if im being a jerk to people that actually enjoy it, i just have no idea why they do.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i agree w/jjjusten

also "they have a genuine appreciation for the music" is really not an adequate defense - i have a genuine appreciation for mariah carey - doesn't mean anyone needs to hear me try to emulate her - i know this and so should gayngs, if they can't actually pull it off, which they can't

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

"they have a genuine appreciation for the music" i'm only using this as a defense against the idea that they're in it for lols

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

"they have a genuine appreciation of the music" is only being said in response to people who erroneously assume the project is "lol aor".

Whether it's good music or not is a separate question (it is though, FYI).

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't really know, it's impossible to really, what their genuine motivation is, but i think the accusation, here & elsewhere, of a band being "in it for the lols" comes when their music is an overt attempt to mimic or revive a particular aesthetic that gets it not-quite-right, so it's part & parcel of their failure of execution

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ha Xpost

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's not an overt attempt to mimic though lex, they're mixing all sorts of ideas.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

You don't even like any of the stuff they're influenced by!

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

they're mixing failed attempts at good ideas with straight-up bad ideas

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Like for example I don't know how anyone can look at that live video 20 or so posts up and not get buried under the smug grossness of it? This is not a bunch of people appreciating anything, it's a gross "oh shit lol let's all wear white tuxes" lampoon parade.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Xposts

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

jjjusten otm re: video/ wink wink nudge nudge. fuck this band.

that said, i still really like about half the songs on this album but i really hate the other half

gr8080, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

lex and jjjusten so off the money ITT it's untrue. i know it might be hard to believe, but not everything that references an influence from the past is supposed to be ironic. also, there's a lot more going on in Gayngs' music than simply paying tribute to mid-80s AOR. if that g&c cover hadn't been on the album, maybe people would be focusing less on this aspect.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's not so much that Gayngs aren't ironic (though this is hardly their focus) but that there's a huge spectrum of possible constellations of irony and sincerity and "meaning it" and feeling slightly self-conscious about your influences or maybe just reflecting on them and trying to come up with a different take or maybe just doing what you do but being aware that nonetheless what you're doing is somewhat retro and cannot help but be perceived that way or etc. etc. and it's really reductive to act as if the presence of any of those qualities = nudge nudge wink wink.

People acted the same way about electroclash at first as well. Now that we've been so constantly surrounded by early 80s dayglo ephemeralia for so long we're numb to it and we don't read into it nearly as much as we did 9 or 10 years ago.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

“The postmodern reply to the modern consists of recognizing that the past, since it cannot really be destroyed, because its destruction leads to silence, must be revisited: but with irony, not innocently. I think of the postmodern attitude as that of a man who loves a very cultivated woman and knows he cannot say to her, 'I love you madly,' because he knows that she knows (and that she knows that he knows) that these words have already been written by Barbara Cartland. Still, there is a solution. He can say, 'As Barbara Cartland would put it, I love you madly.'"

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 16:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

anyway i dont really read this as "smug" at all, but even if i did... who cares? i like a lot of smug bands. musicians dont have to be earnest and humble to be good

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

ALSO "cry" is HARDLY an "obscure reference"! it was a top 40 hit with a hugely famous music video

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

god i hate eco

thomp, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

tim OTM in any event, focusing on their sincerity/smugness/seriousness/joking is kind of a red herring. they are likely joking/serious/earnest/smug/ironic/innocent all at the same time, to various degrees. also there are like 40 people in this goddamn band i doubt they all feel exactly the same way

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

lets agree to disagree

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Whenever lex complains about a band (which seriously seems to be happening like 24hrs a day. How do you live being so unhappy all the time? When do you sleep?), it just makes me want to listen to them.

jaxon, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol good luck with that

Jari Litmandem (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

I really don't want to dogpile on lex here, but jaxon sort of hits on a point about what bugs me about lex from time to time. He is a great writer and his enthusiasm for stuff is thrilling and contagious (I wouldn't have given Girl Unit a chance without his "Wut" love), but it does get old seeing him pop up in thread after thread to remind us how much he hates "indie". I guess its just frustrating to see someone spending more energy on stuff they hate than stuff they love, but thats long been a complaint of mine with certain critics and I don't think its likely to change.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm fairly sure that about 80% of the music i talk and write about is stuff i love, repping for it and pointing people towards it - the rest is shit music that too many people within my purview are talking about (fkn radiohead DIE, why does any fucker care?!). i hate on that with relish. this adds up to a total of enjoying myself 100% of the time

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

also smugness only works if you've got something to be smug about!!!!

(gayngs don't)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

(blah blah unformed argument w/r/t opulence/decadence/innocence/that blithe balearic beach glide/the paris hilton album)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i mean, we agree about the smugness charge, its a red herring

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think of the postmodern attitude as that of a man who loves a very cultivated woman and knows he cannot say to her, 'I love you madly,' because he knows that she knows (and that she knows that he knows) that these words have already been written by Barbara Cartland. Still, there is a solution. He can say, 'As Barbara Cartland would put it, I love you madly.'"

a real man would just say "i love barbara cartland madly"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

the rest is shit music that too many people within my purview are talking about (fkn radiohead DIE, why does any fucker care?!). i hate on that with relish. this adds up to a total of enjoying myself 100% of the time

rmde

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean replace "radiohead" with "the-dream" and you'd be up in arms.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

a real man would just say "i love barbara cartland madly"

― lex pretend, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:38 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark

are you missing the point on purpose or

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

yes, he is

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

im not used to lex joking

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lex isn't being specifically annoying in this thread, he's just engaging in the kind of shifting position, multi-walled fortress approach to arguing which is ilx's modus operandi:

a. making sweeping pronouncements which seem more based on a general vibe picked up than any close study of the music;
b. when called out on it, strategically abandon that part of the argument which seems least sustainable, retreat to a new defensive position;
c. make a new argument salvaged from bits of the former argument and other bits which might be totally inconsistent with it, though the overarching conclusion (this sux) survives; and
d. repeat.

(blah blah unformed argument w/r/t opulence/decadence/innocence/that blithe balearic beach glide/the paris hilton album)

See the thing is this music has nothing to do with any of the things you've just listed. I think Lex the reason I have to harp at you when you start posting at these threads is that you dislike such a broad swathe of stuff surrounding this music that your dichotomies invariably feel really off-base, I'm sure there is indie music which would work for the Paris Hilton comparison you want to make but Gayngs isn't it (A Mountain of One would have been closer though).

It's like, you're surveying from above and trying to describe what's on the ground but can't see through the massive tropical storm of hate obscuring everything.

Though I suspect that maybe the "unformed argument" you're referring to was really concocted with Destroyer in mind and you're just mentioning it here as a placefiller?

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

tbh I was going to see exactly what the fuss was about but the idea of a Godley & Creme cover terrifies me

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

xpost Sorry the above sounds more critical than I mean it. There are whole swathes of music that I like but feel uncomfortable writing about in great detail because I don't think I've got an adequate handle on the context (hence I simply identify the rap I'm really into rather than wax lyrical about it most of the time), obv I think you're better at operating outside of your comfort zone than I am.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh what the hell, how bad could it be...

... um okay this is not starting off very auspiciously

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

so people were really dying for a Coldplay-meets-Interpol cover band...?

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

okay is the whole album like this, because if so LOL

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

thus ends today's installment of "DJP listens to something he already knew he was going to hate"

tomorrow: Taylor Swift!*

* not really

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Interpol? WTF? I mean LOL it up fuzzball but really... get a grip man.

Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

i heard the 'cry' cover a long time ago and kinda just ignored it. i love the original and didn't see the need for it. then i heard 'gaudy side of town' and was like "it's so on". the rest of the record is so different than both of them. it's all sort of got that AOR sound (which i absolutely love anyways), but there's just tons of psych and kraut and funk bits that get lost in great songwriting and amazing production. it's kinda record collector geek music. which is why i love it obvs.

jaxon, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Doran, would you have been less annoyed if I'd said Editors?

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

(it was mostly a reference to the way dude sings)

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

DJP: No, but I do think that George Michael would be more on target.

Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's all sort of got that AOR sound (which i absolutely love anyways), but there's just tons of psych and kraut and funk bits that get lost in great songwriting and amazing production.

I think this is key. Trying to get a sense of what Gayngs are doing from either of those two tunes alone is pretty much impossible. I think tunes like "The Walker" and "Crystal Rope" are much more "representative".

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

okay you cannot SERIOUSLY tell me you hear George Michael on the "Cry" cover, which is what that joke/comment was based on

maybe George Michael doing an Eeyore impersonation

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

No, not on Cry which is like a bunch of people singing. Cry's not really representative of the rest of the album.

Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol

I know this was literally like half an hour ago but can I just point out the context here:

tbh I was going to see exactly what the fuss was about but the idea of a Godley & Creme cover terrifies me

― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:19 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh what the hell, how bad could it be...

... um okay this is not starting off very auspiciously

― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:20 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so people were really dying for a Coldplay-meets-Interpol cover band...?

― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:21 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ok, I'm duly chastened but it did sound like you were sitting down to listen to the whole album.

Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think okay is the whole album like this, because if so LOL might be a good indication that I wasn't listening to the entire album...?

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

also the fact that my listen concluded in 5 minutes

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, OK Ming The Merciless I get it... I didn't read your post very well and you're very clever and dastardly and run circles round me. I will pay more attention in future.

Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha I don't think I've been called Ming the Merciless since high school

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

guys lets not fight, the important thing here is that DJP has learned that this song is terrible and this band is embarrassing and awful

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's a quality murk.

Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

not a great big fan of this band for reasons that aren't entirely about their music.

this 'crystal rope' tune is pretty good tho

for what it's worth, (i think) the leisure suits etc in that video aren't like a regular uniform for these guys, there was a big concert at first avenue here in mpls that was billed as a "prom", i think the video was filmed then. maybe that makes it worse if you're not into it! heh

goole, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

also, people complaining about the white tux lololwinkwinknudgenudge barfaroni party and i immediately thought of grady, who then came in to complain about it. hmmmm. caught you bro :D

jaxon, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 23:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

As always, when we first hear a new band, it's usually just a CDr with a one sheet. So the stuff that gets you into it is just the music. With Gayngs it's been a long and at times painful process of seeing a symbol made from a ganja leaf and a vagina, seeing loads of guys in white leisure suits, seeing the inner art sketch of them all in a hot tub with the singer getting blown, reading some of the goofy interviews, then finally hearing that they can be all fucking hipster irony and bro-ish live.

But the stuff that made me like the album in the first place remains cool and gripping despite this stuff. As someone hinted at upthread, none of this stuff is binary. Yeah, I wish they were sincere, genuinely cool people and not smug hipsters but that's got nothing, or very little, to do with the music they make.

Chap With Wings... Five Rounds Rapid (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 23:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

aaaaagggggghhhh wtf i just found out that the dude that drew the infamous hot tub picture is someone i used to hang out with all the time, its like this band is trying to singlehandedly make me hate all of these people i used to get along with ffs

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 23:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

next thing you know it will be revealed that Slough Feg and Sleepytime Gorilla Museum contributed members to this and justen will lose it forever

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 February 2011 01:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

aaaaagggggghhhh wtf i just found out that the dude that drew the infamous hot tub picture is someone i used to hang out with all the time, its like this band is trying to singlehandedly make me hate all of these people i used to get along with ffs

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 6:10 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if you like all these people have you considered that maybe problem is... you? (i mean that in a nice way no/zing)

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

is this like a minneapolis thing tho where these guys are huge/unavoidable there? and sucking up all the oxygen or something?

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i can see it being annoying if thats the case

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

jjj it's weird that you ostensibly like these guys personally but absolutely thoroughly refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt

call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's kind of weird that people find it really difficult to think that your attitude/opinion of a person can't change because of a visceral reaction to their artistic choices, positive or negative.

Also weird: people taking hyperbolic statements on ILM wholly at face value.

DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

all kinds of stuff is weird!

call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

but if u want to have a different conversation, i've known people in bands i really liked, people in bands i was indifferent to, and people in bands that sucked. it never changed how i felt about them personally!

call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah wtf. i have friends who are struggling in bands and maybe not making artistic choices i would or whatever but it doesn't effect how they treat me, our history, etc.

also what is with this unreconstructed notion of 'authenticity' (here, thought of as a lack of irony/smugness) as some sort of relevant factor as to how the actual arrangement of notes and timbres sounds? reminds of the vampire weekend backlash -- "just ... look at them! i bet they're really mean, and richer than me!"

i dunno it's like all music made by white dudes in northern cities has to be some sweaty prole flannel thing or what? is this what the 90s revival is going to look like? if so ugh. i don't know what's worse, that or this arch popist idea that tropes of 'high' (highly produced, selling, eg aor modern r&b) pop can't be appropriated by indie (whatever that means anymore) acts. it's just kneejerk and annoying. to be fair i had a kneejerk reaction to das racist much in the same way

but i dont know why im wasting my breath; ilm can't be any other way. maybe im really just baiting and hoping for the next round of flailing at trying to distinguish personal taste from some sort of objective reality, laden w/ obliquely hinted at class and race undertones, right?

also can we please never call any musician a 'hipster' ever again pls

teflon dawn (uptown churl), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'd just like to state for the record that my objection to their cover of "Cry" has nothing to do with irony or hipsterism and everything to do with deeply annoying vocals over a boring, plodding beat. Basically if you think that cover is worth listening to, I can make you some fart recordings that will BLOW YOU MIND.

DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

pls bring cd-r when we chill in a few weeks

call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

done and done

DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

ysi?

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

:)

fwiw my official position on this record is that it's prob a little more miss than hit but i'm glad it exists and i rock "gaudy side of town" all the time

call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha sorry thread was out at bar

1. Peeps that are taking me srsly re: "oh no now i have to hate these people that are making music I don't care for" obv don't know me uh at all, also if this were true my day job would be a long slog through abject misery

2. I hate the cry cover because it is terrible pretty much for exactly the reasons that djp said - I hate the lazily pitchshifted vocals and the dragging pace and the clear feeling that the band seems to think that the original is laughable/lampoonable/shitty. All the hipster (did I actually use this because I try to never do so) irony etc stuff is ancillary to the major problem that this song is imo just musically and experientially unmistakably awful to listen to.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh and to max wondering if the backlash was because they are some ubiquitous mpls band - pretty much the opposite, because afaict no one here could give two shits about them.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

the clear feeling that the band seems to think that the original is laughable/lampoonable/shitty

i do not get this even 1 bit!! i mean i get your other criticisms, they are definitely going for a "sound" that i dont blame people for disliking, but i dont hear any kind of snickering going on at all.

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh huh

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

God I was wondering why this thread was revived. Don't think I listened to this again after I reviewed it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

No reason to break that perfect record Ned

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

I shall maintain my streak. (Partially because I'm quite happily listening to the new Fabio Orci instead.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

He has beautiful flowing hair

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

I find this to be a proper thing.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think the problem is that the "Cry" cover is so bad that you kind of think they HAD to be joking when they recorded it, because the idea that they went into the studio going "this is an awesome song, we better do it justice" and ending up with that as the final output generates cognitive dissonance on par with watching the cutest kitten you can possibly imagine eat your screaming mother's eyes.

DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Any typical Cure b-side lyric from 1984, then.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah ok DJP so otm it hurts

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tempted to do a Gayngs vs Owl City poll

DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Like I kinda think that my feeling that this is a fucking lol lol pisstake is somewhat based on the fact that I respect some of these peeps and don't like thinking that they could make something this shitty without realizing how bad it is.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hold on guys I have this strange feeling that max doesn't get my objections to this song but until I get a few more animated gifs I can't be sure

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

dude! i said that i get (some of) your objections! that is a "agree to disagree" shrug

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah tbf at this point this is pretty much hate this song vs. don't get it so I'm kinda just irritated at myself for beating a dead horse I guess

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

you should have taken me up on my "agree to disagree" last night

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

nothing to do with irony or hipsterism and everything to do with deeply annoying vocals over a boring, plodding beat

otm (also the coldplay comparison)

i think a lot of the other arguments made here are reactions to the idea that people can think execution like that is acceptable

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 07:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

fwiw the other songs besides the 'cry' cover have different vocalists and different beats

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 08:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

"gaudy side of town" singer is horrible as well

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 08:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hating on "Cry" --> I can respect, it's one of my least favourite moments on the album.

Hating on "Gaudy Side of Town" --> I feel for bad for you.

Tim F, Thursday, 24 February 2011 08:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

I had no clue as to what this band sounded or looked like or whether they sported wry smiles in their music videos when I heard this, and to be honest I don't think I want to. I'd find it very hard to accept that Gayngs are making music that sounds like this and yet doing it ironically. There's very little funny in this music at all. Just sounds like 10CC as covered by Spiritualised, which is a great idea in my book and executed very well.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 12:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Also - guys, really? Have you actually heard Coldplay? How the fuck is this like Coldplay?

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

insipid weak vocals and extremely boring arrangements and lack of any apparent songcraft

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

TBH Gayngs would struggle to come up with a song as good (qua song) as "Viva La Vida" but that's not what they're about.

Tim F, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

"viva la vida" is a good song? that was always a "forget how it goes even before it's finished playing" one, so nothingy

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

It is, but I'm not going to try to convince you of that lex.

Tim F, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

The fact that the Pet Shop Boys covered it probably doesn't help in lex's eyes.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

lex hates pet shop boys too?!?!

Tim F, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol that's such a weird cover. i can hear when coldplay do "good songs", ie just basically catchy tunes, like "clocks" and "god put a smile on your face" - "viva la vida" is not one of those

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

i kinda hate PSB now? they haven't been good for like 15 years

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Of all the things you could accuse Coldplay of, "lack of any apparent songcraft" isn't one. The vocals/arrangements criticism - yeah, OK.

DL, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tell me that you feel differently up to and including Very though.

Tim F, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think apart from a select few of their hits coldplay are actually pretty bad at writing songs qua songs - so much of their stuff is in one ear, out the other. arrangements least offensive thing about them really, could almost be bland-in-a-good-way if it wasn't for his disgusting voice

xp have never heard any PSB album all the way through except for the greatest hits! (and one of the shit recent ones.) the only post-"can you forgive her" PSB song i like is "miracles".

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp have never heard any PSB album all the way through except for the greatest hits! (and one of the shit recent ones.) the only post-"can you forgive her" PSB song i like is "miracles".

lex seriously I know about your contempo steez but between this and not even listening to the steely dan or can albums on your hard drive your willful blindness is verging on egregious atm, cut out just one night of searching for cassie leaks and attend to this.

All 5 early PSB albums are essential.

Tim F, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tim F OTM to the moon and back.

DL, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha i haven't listened to cassie for months.

i have WAY TOO MUCH MUSIC to listen to this week, dying beneath the pile of it all. still taking in new ones from nôze, k michelle, ginuwine, art department, wolf & lamb dj kicks, egyptrixx, kode9 & spaceape, killa kyleon, shackleton, fabrizio maurizi, phaedra, gang gang dance, the revenge, jenny hval, young gully, lupe fiasco, terre thaemlitz, WAKA. and for non-contempo stuff i appear to have downloaded the entire back catalogues of esperanza spalding, jean grae and everything but the girl. PSB/steely dan/can right back to the bottom of the pile.

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah and the marsha ambrosius one too

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

FTR I never cared much for the original but Gayngs' Cry is very pretty and slow and floaty and quite emotional to my ears.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

You're seriously gonna listen to Lupe Fiasco instead.

Tim F, Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah that one's for work not pleasure :(

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

not that they sound that similar (and not wanting to put lex off them because they're wicked), but having a rough grounding in things like steely dan might well help towards gayngs enjoyment.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh don't dog latin, now they've been mentioned in connection to both gayngs and destroyer, lex will never listen to them.

I do find it interesting though, all of this stuff (incl. coldplay) I mentally file under "white stuff goons check for".

Tim F, Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i'm genuinely thinking i might just delete steely dan unheard now

the so-called goons are mostly indie fuxxors at heart, is the thing

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

poor lex, let down by everyone.

Tim F, Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 real

just sayin, Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

don't delete it lex. they're really nothign like gayngs or destroyer. at least listen to, i dunno, deacon blues, dr wu, and peg.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

and please update us on what you think because I'm convinced it could go one of two ways here.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol i just checked my itunes and i first added this steely dan album to it in 2008

the can albums were added in 2007

by now i think it's almost a point of principle not to ever play them

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

you and your principles, jesus! ;-) if i'd stuck to the same principles i had when i first joined ilx i would never have checked out erykah badu or daft punk or ABBA or countless other things i thought i'd hate or didn't fit into my immediate worldview. no use in saying i now love all these unreservedly and each one has opened a lot more stuff to me.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

I almost hate to ask but what was your worldview before you heard all those? I admit I'm all "Wait, how could anyone have not heard them?"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'd heard them of course, but i wasn't necessarily a fan of their music or what they "represented" per se. they're just random examples plucked from the air.

when i joined ilx at 19/20 y/o (ten years ago now) I listened to Warp Records, extreme metal, alt rock/britpop shit, the Beastie Boys, a few canon selections, whatever.

I thought "proper dance" music was stupid and boring. I thought r'n'b was for girls. I actively hated most commercial pop on grounds of it being cheesy and corporate. My taste in hip-hop was extremely limited to say the least. Let's just say there was a mass of stuff I assumed wasn't any good and wasn't worth me checking out.

I can't imagine how i'd be or how i'd feel were i never to have expanded my worldview and tried things out that i normally wouldn't have. Sick of standing at the back of the student clubs with my arms folded, I soon made a point of trying to find the best in anything i heard. i figured if someone liked it, it must have some redeeming qualities, and that all along the problem wasn't the music or the people - it was me.

So very quickly after discovering ILM I realised that nearly everything in pop is relevant and relative to each other. Without Steely Dan you might not get Gayngs, but you arguably wouldn't get De La Soul who not only sampled SD, but also sampled Hall & Oates who are also an influence on Gayngs. And that's why I like music I guess.

cosdelier baring through a bat in a fallman chantume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

sorry, reread my posts and realised I might be coming across a bit high'n'mighty... apologies. i'm not here to talk about my life nor to slag people's tastes and opinions off so i'll leave this thread alone for a bit.

cosdelier baring through a bat in a fallman chantume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 15:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dude, that's one of the best posts I've ever read on here about the subject! Hell, maybe one of the best things I've ever read anywhere on it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 February 2011 15:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey, thanks!

cosdelier baring through a bat in a fallman chantume (dog latin), Thursday, 24 February 2011 15:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

my Coldplay dig was in reference to how appallingly weak the beat on "Cry" is; I know they are capable of recording decent-sounding drums because I heard "Shiver" playing at brunch on Sunday and was all "who is this band who is aping Coldplay but doing it much better? oh word? lol" but I do stand by my assertion that their baseline response to a rhythm section is to make it as limp as possible

the Interpol/Editors bit was re: the most prominent-to-my-ears vocal line (and I actually enjoy the one Editors album I own, but I have no delusions about their singer)

DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 15:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey dan this is another project by gayngs main dude may be more to yr liking

Marijuana Deathsquads (feat P.O.S., members of Cows, Gayngs)

he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 February 2011 15:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

when people start replacing the "oh you are from minneapolis? isnt that where prince and the replacements are from?" with "oh minneapolis? thats where gayngs, owl city and har mar superstar are from!" i am going to blame all yall.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

that is never going to happen

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

though once i met a guy who told me that with the exception of paramore, "detroit isnt really a music city"

max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lol waht

That is just... wau

DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

hahahaha oh god

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

all i am saying though is when president superstar and senator owl city enact their final solution to enslave us all i will be reminding you of this thread in the reeducation fun zone line max

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Har Mar's BIL is beyond dope, tho

http://www.dibaunlimited.com/Media.php

DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh don't dog latin, now they've been mentioned in connection to both gayngs and destroyer, lex will never listen to them.

I do find it interesting though, all of this stuff (incl. coldplay) I mentally file under "white stuff goons check for".

― Tim F, Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:04 AM Bookmark

Wait, should I be checking for Destroyer? I always assumed they were sulky singer-songwritery stuff, not white goon music.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

all i am saying though is when president superstar and senator owl city enact their final solution to enslave us all i will be reminding you of this thread in the reeducation fun zone line max

Still trying to figure out how liking Gayngs fits into this scenario.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 February 2011 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wait, should I be checking for Destroyer? I always assumed they were sulky singer-songwritery stuff, not white goon music.

New album is him trying to do just that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 February 2011 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Okay, the Destroyer song I checked out is totally white goon music and unsurprisingly I f/w it.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 21:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

just to be clear when the reeducation fun zone is built i will be a collaborator and will not be fraternizing with john justen

max, Friday, 25 February 2011 00:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...

polica kinda started off as a gayngs thing (ryan olsen produces and channy sings) but they might be better and are starting to break out of local mpls hype:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/feb/17/new-band-polica

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

it was a good year when this thread title was off of sna.

getting good with gulags (beachville), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

listening to "The Gaudy Side of Town" as I type.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is loads better than Kaputt

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty nice. didn't expect so much live drums.

they should get stokley williams and michael bland up in there.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

drummers are two of the best in town, esp ben ivascu

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw played a show about 1 1/2 ago with this singer called Mayda who is being groomed/produced by michael bland, so he plays in her live band

he appears not well at all :(

still played like a metronome tho

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink


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