worst Nicki Minaj song on the radio right now

the sequel to worst Drake song on the radio this year

thanking u

preemptive apologies to the lex for my future comments on this thread

i actively like "i get crazy" & "shakin it 4 daddy"

"lil freak" is pretty bad, and i feel the same way about "5 star bitch rmx" as i do about all ALL STAR remixes of the past few years, which is ambivalence (aside from the horrifying "i wanna rock" interstate trafficking rmx or w/e)

"bedrock" is a totally terrible song, the beat & hook are way too annoying to even be in it for the lolz -- i'm voting for "my chick bad" tho, which could've been great, esp coming off the success of "how low", but that's just an utterly creatively bankrupt song

the only one I hear on the radio is "Bedrock" and it's the only one of these that I've both heard and actively dislike, so pretty easy decision

there are things i like about "lil freak" but i'm leaning towards voting for it for the way she says "everybody loves rrrrrraaaayyyymond"

just realized that the closest antecedent to nicki's style is the blizzard man: http://www.hulu.com/watch/18879/saturday-night-live-blizzard-man

yeah that line is so corny

the beat is great but i don't think it works for usher & nicky is v unfortunate

does "my cookie's always slippery" mean what i think it means? i might have to use the barf gif again.

that's not as gross as "time to put this pussy on your sideburns"

haha it's "moustache" not "sideburns", that would just be weird

(Nicki Minaj)
okay i get it
let me think
i guess its my turn
maybe its time to put this pussy on your sideburns

but slate thinks she's currently the most interesting thing in rap music! http://www.slate.com/id/2245421/

oh duh, was thinking of "Can I Get A" obv

but slate thinks she's currently the most interesting thing in rap music! http://www.slate.com/id/2245421/

― Luz, a saucy taco slinger (hmmmm), Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:11 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

a lot of ny rap/pop writers are stanning for this woman like she's something significantly more than a court jester, or that she posses any talent beyond parlaying ho-rap photoshoots into a fake lady gaga schtik that is noteworthy because rap and pop music is totally devoid of personality, even annoying manufactured ones like this. she can spit a hot verse or two but most of the time she just sounds like a 6 year old who hasn't been diagnosed with ADD. she's an alright radio presence cuz it's genuinely funny to listen to her rap now, and there is a slight chance that she'll say something dope, but acting like there's anything beyond that is really fishing for angles where there aren't any. mainstream rap writers missed out on gucci mane & propping nicki up ain't gonna cut it.

her turn from good but spotty female rapper to robin williams on coke jabbermouth mirrors lil wayne's sudden style switch up/drop in quality minus give or take four classic albums/mixtapes

articles like that that are that breathlessly enthusiastic about random throwaway references and punchlines crack me up, I imagine the writer sitting down with a quill pen, and pausing the CD after every 4 bars to go "how delightful! how perfectly droll!!" and transcribe another line.

ha

i like that slate piece! def nails down at least part of what's special about nicki. idk sometimes when she gets too cartoonish i wish she'd play it straight more often, b/c she's really good at that, but then the weird voices and gaga schtick often lead to greatness like "saxon" or "fuck u silly" - for a persona that could be super-grating she still has a really impressive hit-rate. of the joints polled here i only actively dislike "bedrock", don't care about "5 star bitch", her bits are the best bits of "lil freak" and the others are all really good.

i mean i guess it's easy to mock b/c her worst moments are pretty awful but things like "hedgehog, sonic the" or "bedrock" aren't really representative of what minaj does.

the new school of super female-friendly poptimism has been overly kind to her the same way it was to Lil Mama a couple years ago, imo. and that should mean something coming from someone known for overrating Ebony Eyez! people complain about the climate for female rappers but in general the people that have gotten a shot over the past 10 years (Trina, Remy Ma, Ms. Jade, Shawnna) have been pretty solid rappers, you have to go back to like Amil to find anyone indisputably less talented than Nicki/Mama.

did anyone really overrate lil mama? "lip gloss" and "shawty get loose" were awesome pop songs, no one really cared about the album or indeed where her career is now.

as for nicki, i think it's pretty undeniable that she's got skills - her "normal" flow is super-tight and half her voices work really well, and she has quotable lines for days - but right now i think she's actively trying to become even more distinct in carving out this persona for which there's no real model - it'd be one thing if she was embarrassing herself more often than not, but the good shit still outweighs the missteps.

and ms jade, seriously? i liked a couple of her tracks and she could obviously rap but there was pretty much nothing distinctive about her.

it's pretty obvious that nicki thinks imprinting a larger-than-life persona on listeners will be crucial for her to establish a toehold in the mainstream, and she's probably right; and taking on elements of gaga rather than reprising the cheerful/terrifying smuttiness of lil kim or trina is probably a savvy decision too (plus more true to herself, her lyrics have never been as indebted to ho-rap as her image). like gaga this means moments of cringing at times - it's fucking terrible that "bedrock" will be most people's introductions to her - but hopefully what's appealing about her will win out in the end.

Watch out, the female-friend Poptimist mafia is coming!

Maybe we should wait until, y'know, an actual album comes out before attempting to call any kind of critical consensus here?

apparently her first official single drops next week?

I've already decided to like it, given that she's a girl and everything.

i dunno, the media hype for Lil Mama felt pretty over the top at the time (when she first hit, before album delays and a terrible follow up single killed her momentum), especially in circles that weren't really giving a shit about teenage dance rap otherwise, even in the year of "Crank That."

Matt, she has a popular mixtape and half a dozen songs in rotation on the radio, holding your breath until there's an official album to have certain discussions about new rappers is pretty pointless these days

yeah srsly come on matt, don't front on the kernel of truth.

anyway i am voting for the mariah remix, cos 1. even though i can't recall/haven't heard minaj's other verses listed here i cannot comprehend any of them being stupider and more irritating than this one, and 2. the remix itself with its video also represents everything that's wrong with mariah these days - ruining a good song with this inept, inane pursuit of attention and leaning so hard on this cutesy in-joke babygirl shit all the fucking time for no discernable reason.

yeah her verse on the Mariah song is especially gruesome, i think in part because she's in a lower register than usual and almost sounds like some kind of parody of 90s Lil Kim

actually now i look at it i could say similar for the usher, thicke, luda - minaj in her own lane i can handle and even kinda enjoy in some ways, but her inadvertant distortion of the people hiring her swag is what really grates.

lol that ladypoptimist talk reminded me - forks is it time to compare notes yet?

Teyana Taylor's 'Google Me'

yeah --- i thought about not including "I Get Crazy" here both because it peaked a while ago and because it's a lot less annoying to me than the others in part because it's more her doing her than established stars just jumping on the next big post-Drake bandwagon

weirdly the video actually made me come round slightly to the mariah verse - i think the problem there is more that any guest verse would rupture "up out my face" unnecessarily

i wonder if she consciously goes into OTT mode for bigger artists who are going to get a lot more attention, b/c her guest spots on lloyd's "take it off", cassie's "fuck u silly", mya's "ponytail" and obv the unofficial "sweet dreams" one are all completely amazing and don't have the slight grating quality that rtc pinpoints for her mariah/usher ones.

not too sure about that - i couldve imagined being mildly entertained by maybe a lowkey fabolous verse on 'up out my face' for instance but no way would it have been a panicking misguided conceptual reboot the way the minaj version is.

"google me" was a jam imo

haven't really felt any of these computernerd-themed joints since masta ace 'sittin on chrome' came out tbh.

there are things i like about "lil freak" but i'm leaning towards voting for it for the way she says "everybody loves rrrrrraaaayyyymond"

just realized that the closest antecedent to nicki's style is the blizzard man: http://www.hulu.com/watch/18879/saturday-night-live-blizzard-man

― OMG Thanx Jeezy (some dude), Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:46 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha today Big Tigger was talking about the Usher song and thought she was saying "everybody loves reindeer"

i can't tell if that's less funny because she names the all reindeer or more funny -- i'm inclined to say the latter

yeah totally more -- was basically losing my shit when he got a deluge of calls from kids correcting him

um... only song I don't like here is "up oUt my face" remix... "bedrock" is awful too but I love the chorus and nicki's verse so that gets a pass... and "Lil Freak" is my single of the year so far and I'm really confused as to why no one here seems to like it.......... anyway Nicki is the best part of all of these songs besides "Up Out My Face"

one of Nicki's better guest verses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMvdsMLzpaE

I'm Nicki Minaj, Nicki Lewinsky, Nicki the Ninja, Nicki the Boss, Nicki the Harajuku Barbie

Voted "Bedrock" btw but I haven't heard a couple of the others. In twenty years when TV shows make fun of 2010s "Minajamania," that's the song that'll get played so whatev.

I kinda like bits of what she does when I hear them but GOD is she unbearable on video. Her bits on "Up Out My Face" for example are kinda okay - it's like seeing her make the goofy faces and camp it up really calls attention to how affected the goofy voices and campy rapping is. Which OK, is about what you'd expect somebody to do but I wish it was delivered more po-facedly. Just reminds me of high-school sketch comedy or local improv night, trying too damn hard.

a lot of ny rap/pop writers are stanning for this woman like she's something significantly more than a court jester, or that she posses any talent beyond parlaying ho-rap photoshoots into a fake lady gaga schtik that is noteworthy because rap and pop music is totally devoid of personality, even annoying manufactured ones like this. she can spit a hot verse or two but most of the time she just sounds like a 6 year old who hasn't been diagnosed with ADD. she's an alright radio presence cuz it's genuinely funny to listen to her rap now, and there is a slight chance that she'll say something dope, but acting like there's anything beyond that is really fishing for angles where there aren't any. mainstream rap writers missed out on gucci mane & propping nicki up ain't gonna cut it.

her turn from good but spotty female rapper to robin williams on coke jabbermouth mirrors lil wayne's sudden style switch up/drop in quality minus give or take four classic albums/mixtapes

― Yo cassidy is so hot. He blowin up really big. His freestyles are si (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 08:19 (2 days ago)

i pretty much don't know anything about rap, but i love nicki, and her rapping makes me very happy

it's like seeing her make the goofy faces and camp it up really calls attention to how affected the goofy voices and campy rapping is.

yeah, this is otm

yeah her first big video appearance in "5 Star" was horrifying/hilarious to me, like just suddenly realizing how far she was gonna take the weird posture and bug eyes and fembot mannerisms at the exact moment it was clear she was about to be pretty ubiquitous for a while

I rationalize all these bad rappers by saying "at least he ain't Petey Pablo"

...

i really miss the times when i would hear songs on the radio

do you just no longer own a car or did you used to have a radio and got rid of it or what

I rationalize all these bad rappers by saying "at least he ain't Nelly"

got rid of car in 2001
stopped watching MTV around 2005

like the only way i know popular songs exist is via what people say and link on the internet and that makes me feel so disconnected and kills me inside

i dunno i like the idea of having more control over what to listen to. the local stations here tended to do stuff in 2001 like play Ginuwine's "My Whole Life has Changed" and Usher's "U Got It Bad" every hour on the hour, and I liked both songs but it was like how many times did I need to hear it in a day?

and like even though i "listened to more records than christgau" (or whatever that article said) in 2009, that was still 100% via promo CDs and pirated zips and rars from leak blogs. i heard 1,000 ALBUMS, not singles.

i literally have no way of hearing a "hot single" unless i turn off what i'm listening to and click a YouTube link.

And that makes me feel awful

like the only way i know popular songs exist is via what people say and link on the internet and that makes me feel so disconnected and kills me inside

― zsockster (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:46 AM Bookmark

feel u dude, I haven't had a car or tv since september. it's a weird feeling.

yeah same to an extent, when i'm at school i mostly hear radio songs via friends' cars or checking what the hits are on billboard's site & youtubing them - during breaks and shit it's such a great feeling to be able to drive around and listen to the radio, regardless of how bad the songs are

Eh, I'm on the fence about her shtick. This song is pretty good, though...
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^ sorry, I'm no good at embedding vids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaFqr3vzvdk

really think "saxon" is fucking incredible

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

like the only way i know popular songs exist is via what people say and link on the internet and that makes me feel so disconnected and kills me inside

― zsockster (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:46 AM Bookmark

feel u dude, I haven't had a car or tv since september. it's a weird feeling.

― The Reverend, Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:48 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not being glib or anything, but u guys should get like a little walkman or clock radio or one of those waterproof dealies that can go in the shower, imo a few minutes a day of radio listening is nice. tbh i don't know why FM radios aren't part of the package with iPods, i know why include a dead technology with the hot new thing etc. but it seems like a no-brainer to me.

Not really a "no-brainer" since Apple wants you to fill your iPod with songs you pay them money for, not listen to for free. But I totally agree w/ your premise. Kicking back with the FM radio now and then can be a good thing.

yeah especially living in new york, good god

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

"my chick bad" = sorely underrated in this poll

yeah that song is all kinds of ugh

iPod Nanos come with radio now...

oh, huh my ipod does have radio. didn't notice that before.

the Mariah single is a snooze.

so weird that so many of my favourite joints right now are nicki or nicki-featuring tracks, but apart from "shakin' it 4 daddy" i'd consider these crossover radio hits pretty inessential

cover of The Fader

"People come up to me wherever I am, girls—sexy girls—like, 'Can you sign my boob?'." -Nicki Minaj

yeah especially living in new york, good god

― HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, March 3, 2010 12:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I MISS THE RADIO IN CAR

i feel u -- but yall need to get one (1) clock radio if you have access to pop/hip-hop & r&b radio in a major market

i have one actually. i can't believe i haven't though of this before. 6pm pop radio hour? this is like a new ritual, i can feel it.

duh!

if anyone has doubted her lady gaga complex, nicki has supposedly hired gaga's management

tbh minaj has never worn, said or done anything that struck me as obviously gaga-esque or gaga inspired

most of it still feels totally wayne-derived or out of the missy/left eye/da brat wacky female rapper playbook

the rigid fembot thing reminds me a lot of how gaga poses/acts on stage

when has gaga actually done rigid fembot moves, i can't think of any examples. that seems more the province of beyonce imo.

maybe i'm being poisoned by proximity

also all the valley girl voices and harajuku girl stuff are clearly gwen stefani, who's really patient zero for a lot of the goofy female star stuff going on in pop the last few years

xpost

when gaga's on the charts
boy you gon think
you gon think she invented quirk

it's a gagafication, clap, clap bravo

Actually it raises the question, to what extent has Gaga been influenced by the aforementioned high-profile female rappers of the 90s/00s? Like it seems a pretty reasonable thing to interrogate, esp. re Lil' Kim and Missy, but I haven't run across anyone writing about that. Are people just more comfortable linking her up to Peaches or whatever indie electro type person, or has Gaga herself emphasized other lines of influence? (Or, I guess, is the connection all in my head?)

sorry, i guess that really belongs in Gagathread - - - will repaste.

kinda crossing over w/ the bedrock thread w/ this post but since it's about "my chick bad" i figured it might as well go in here

anyway the spring break performance of "my chick bad" is so funny

http://www.musicistheheartofoursoul.com/2010/03/mtv-spring-break-2010-performances.html

first of all, for some reason minaj is yelling her verse and it seems like she can't really find her footing in these massive heels, so it comes off like an amy poehler parody or something

also the best part is that her fembot routine gets thrown off by people accidentally batting beach balls at her

ok the line on the lemonade remix where she threatens to "put this pussy on your chipped tooth" is so much worse than the sideburns line ever was

there's no such line on the remix i have?

i'm in a tricky little mood
i trick these little dudes
i tell 'em that i love 'em but i never really do
see i like pretty shoes
and i like pretty minks
and i like sightseeing the pyramids and the sphinx

she's not as good as trey songz or fabolous, who are both GREAT on it, but her verse is fine

also this seems not to be the thread where "massive attack" was discussed, but i definitely love that song. and the video.

It's actually on the Fabolous - "For the Money" remix. That "Lemonade" verse is boring and fuck off with the "minks," too.

Oh, and the complete couplet is “I told Fab 'Get that Michael Knight KITT Coupe' / before I put this pussy on your chipped tooth."

IT'S GUCCI

i'm not sure what i think about massive attack yet; i still want to hear her sound good and that might be the track that I can grudgingly commit to? not sure yet.

4got that song existed -- is it getting any radio play outside of hot 97

#65 on the R&B chart, which is to say not really

Mmmassive Attack gets discussed on I'm Nicki Minaj, Nicki Lewinsky, Nicki the Ninja, Nicki the Boss, Nicki the Harajuku Barbie ... prob should lock one or the other of these threads since they're both effectively open-ended Minaj-watch.

locking seems excessive, but i'm fine w/ the other one being the default thread in the future. i just revived this one because this is the thread where we talked about the 'sideburns' line.

"my chick bad" is my jam until nicki comes in, I mean not that luda's verses are amazing but the "nightmare on elm street and guess who's playing freddy!" thing is like a whole nother level of get this shit off my radio now

the thing about that line is that it would work for me alright if she didn't also say "friday the 13th and guess who's playing jason," putting both those references in the first in the exact same construction feels so amateurish and lazy.

i have a grudging respect for the uncompromising schtick overload of "Massive Attack" but "Your Love" is just such a lame-ass retreat in the other direction.

also imo Nicki is really the lest of "My Chick Bad"'s problems, shitty beat, shitty hook, worst Luda verses ever

emilys: "If Luda's chick does stuff that he can't put in words, why did he think a rap would be the best way to express his feelings?"

the best thing about "my chick bad" is nicki in the video

i really unapologetically love "massive attack" - i love how it takes a few listens to arrange itself in your head but once it does you pretty much grow to love every aspect of it

what do you think of the tinny timid generic "Your Love" though

is that the terrible autotune one? unless it's been changed significantly (completely) since the version i heard last year, i dislike it v much

"Massive Attack" is a lot stickier than I would have expected the first time I heard it. I have "Mmmassive attack! Mmmmassive attack!" and "Tom toms over here bigger than a monster/ Blak! Blak! Blaka!" stuck in my head all the time, which doesn't quite translate into me wanting to listen to it.

there's nothing good about "my chick bad" -- worst single of the year so far

it almost erases any goodwill luda had built up in the last year and a half or so doing remixes and stuff

massive attack = lol u have sean garrett on ur hook, c u l8r

aiyeeeeeeee i never heard my chick bad before fucking a this is horrible, luda what are you doing???????

I have the same relationship with "Massive Attack" that Rev does, I think. The problem is that so little of the stuff between those headsticky points is particularly memorable.

"My Chick Bad," yeah... it's not the worst thing I've ever heard, but it's sorta uninspired and you'd think Ludacris of all people could do so much more with that premise! The references are really blah - she always brings a racket like Venus and Serena? Okay, yeah, I get the joke but is that as bad as your chick gets, Luda? Compare to "What's Your Fantasy?" and there's been a real loss of energy.

I maintain that it should have been a battle song with another male rapper, with them arguing over whose chick was badder... and then we get to Nicki's verse and we realize that she's BOTH their chicks! Or something.

holy shit nicki was EPIC at the bet awards

just like, an utter trainwreck

nicki otm

http://fourfour.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b8c369e20134850b083c970c-pi

omg horrible :( oh well

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where is that from?

it's actually a pretty great video for a pretty bad song. though i'm beginning to hear how "your love" could be made into something good (get rid of the ke$hatune for starters). i like her kimono-clad ninja style, cf this early video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaDySxBRFfc

this hits kinda hard IMO:

I was just overwhelmed by the sense that we have for the most part, failed the possibilities of the form, and what it calls for. Like......it just struck me as kind of cowardly. Lacking audacity and courage. Kind of meaningless. None of the fire that, say, Sha-Rock brought.

Hip-hop is too important to leave to the people who make hip-hop

?

I love "your love," "lil freak" and "bedrock" btw

hate "my chick bad"

young money is the worst crew of all time it's so fucking embarrassing

this is weird! nicki pre-makeover??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujNFYKHTFWY

hooooly shit!!

i know every pic of her is retouched but it looks and sounds like they retouched her whole fucking life

That can't be real? Yikes!

I'm too busy lolling at the "G-stack" with the obvious $1 bill on it

yeah not 100 percent sure that is real, but sometimes the way she says stuff esp. (beside the physical resemblance) really sounds like an earlier, less exaggerated version of how she talks now

it was from harry allen

http://rapradar.com/2010/07/23/bruce-willis-on-his-nicki-minaj-shout-out/

you know, i think it's really cool that nicki is the first openly queer rap star and even if i don't always like her shit, i am basically rooting for her because of this. i mean, of course the first openly queer rap star is a bisexual woman, but still, REALLY COOL.

yeah it is kinda cool -- like even before when there were rumors or speculation about other female rappers being gay or bi, it tended to be treated as a stigma or a dirty little secret.

yeah but is it even really a victory? bisexual females are basically just some male fantasy ish in hip hop now, it's so prevalent...i dunno. it'd be a lot cooler if she still looked like how she looked in that video instead of all barbie post plastic surgery IMO

really doesn't endear her to me any more or any less because i don't really think it's a very visible part of her personality

her big single is some insipid lullaby about a dude

the bit about cassie on "lil freak" was dope tho cuz of its specificity

i'd be much happier if rich fourfour was right and drake turned out to be a homo

the entirety of her "lil freak" verse is spitting game to a female and she talks about signing boobs more than any popular artist since '80s hair metal. but yeah i wouldn't be one bit surprised if it's just a public image thing as part of her sex appeal, i'm just saying that when people talked about Remy Ma or Latifah of MC Lyte being possibly gay it tended to be in a "EW SHE A DYKE" way.

i think minaj acknowledging and repping for her gay fanbase is more cause for applause than her bisexuality, which i don't even know if she's talked about in detail beyond the usual female celebrity "i find women attractive too" stuff - like i have no idea if she's being a lipstick lesbian (no problem w/that if she is) or if she actually identifies as bisexual

"bottoms up" verse might be her masterpiece

lol it is a crazy verse but no.. she has better

It's definitely her "wackiest" verse tho.

that's what i mean duh

o

i'm kind of slow

"your love" came on in the car today and it sounded pretty massive

^^this is like saying "someone stuck a power drill into my ear and it sounded pretty massive"

no I would have said that if a gucci mane song had come on

shawty imma tell you this once you the zinger

"your love" is a cute song imo

it's cute like a baby pitbull that starts mauling your face 15 seconds after you start holding it

loool

i can actually see how it could be a cute song if it didn't sound like total ass.

i love nicki's verse on the super-generic new trey songz single, really emphasises the ventriloquist nature of her schtick - she keeps spinning out into one of her weird voices, leading you over there, and then every time suddenly snaps back into a really tight flow over here. plus about a quarter of it seems to be nicki shouting "FUCK HER! FUCK HER! FUCK HER!"

get the feeling lately watching her interviews that minaj had a gameplan and a vision once but now after the soul-destroying 'massive attack' fiasco and 'your love' becoming a smash despite her being embarrassed by how rubbish it is a screw loosened somewhere along the way and now she just talks b.s in an ab-fab voice all day cos why not

fascinated to see how the album will turn out

jesus i didn't realise until just now that "your love" was an actual number one rap hit :o

i still love "massive attack" though it does irritate thinking about how good it could've been w/a dancehall dude on the hook instead of sean garrett (or y'know anyone in the world ever instead of sean garrett). busy signal maybe.

i think it might be time for a sequel to this thread like i did for the Drake one

lol @ her album apparently being called Pink Friday

Yeah, I kinda dig "Your Love." Annie Lennox sample, y'all!

the sample coulda been done well but everything about the lyrics/vocals is a nightmare

She gets her asian references mixed up but it's cool. UNLESS! She's saying something like "WOW! I am a geisha and I speak Thai, which is totally weird, but YOU understood me! How special!"

I thought it was supposed to be a dream

also "candy store/toddlore" is such a cute rhyme

She gets her asian references mixed up

she does this a lot, cf "i be out in china spendin yenz'z'z" on "shopaholic"

I like it when she says "hot damn make me scream like summer jam" that is the #1 reason why I love "your love"

that line is actually cool

i just realized that she pretty much sounds like a tranquilized fred during the chorus tho

also for some reason the part about the dude's waves really annoys me

a tranquilized fred?

fred, the internet star

she does this a lot, cf "i be out in china spendin yenz'z'z" on "shopaholic"

Haven't heard the song, but maybe that is just how she pronounces "yuan"??

that would be a generous reading indeed considering she rhymes it with benz'z'z

i got that boom boom pow, nicki minaj jockin my style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmySF030ccA

WOW that is a shit sandiwch

i so WANT to like Nicki's songs and get spots. but she's always lettin' me down.

yeah this song is pretty awful

i don't think it's on her album tho, I think it's will's single

this has to be a joke

All this really proves is that Nicki is only good enough to save a generic Trey Songz song, not a bad will.i.am song.

she tweeted that this would be on the album :(

At this point, it might be good to have a recap of what are the actually good Nicki tracks and guest spots. Anyone want to put together a POX list or "Rough Guide to..."?

i think when she does good things, people bump I'm Nicki Minaj, Nicki Lewinsky, Nicki the Ninja, Nicki the Boss, Nicki the Harajuku Barbie - one of the first posts is an early rough guide to her (if i have time today i might do one here though)

i like the idea of an artist having both LOVE and HATE threads

best song The-Dream Love/Hate

solo pox:
itty bitty piggy
curious george
dilly dally
autobiography
i get crazy
go hard
higher than a kite
40 bars
click clack
envy

guest spot pox:
gucci mane - pussy nigga
kanye west - monster
jay bezel - dopeman
lil wayne - sweet dreams
gucci mane - coca coca
ricky blaze & ron browz - i feel free
trey songz - bottoms up
lloyd - take it off
teairra mari - automatic
dirty money - hello good morning

Nicki Minaj - Beam Me Up Scotty
Nicki Minaj - Itty Bitty Piggy
Nicki Minaj ft. Lil' Wayne - Higher Than A Kite
Nicki Minaj - Grindin'
Nicki Minaj - Keys Under Palm Trees
Nicki Minaj - Saxon
Nicki Minaj ft. Sean Garrett - Massive Attack
Lloyd ft. Nicki Minaj - Take It Off
Drake ft. Nicki Minaj - Best I Ever Had (Remix)
Ricky Blaze ft. Punch, Red Café, Ron Browz & Nicki Minaj - Feel Free (Remix)
Gucci Mane ft. Bobby Valentino, So Icey Boys & Nicki Minaj - Shopaholic
Beyoncé ft. Nicki Minaj & Lil' Wayne - Sweet Dreams (Remix)
Mýa ft. Nicki Minaj - Ponytail
Cassie ft. Nicki Minaj - Fuck U Silly
Robin Thicke ft. Nicki Minaj - Shakin' It 4 Daddy
Gucci Mane ft. Fabolous, Trey Songz & Nicki Minaj - Lemonade (Remix)
Diddy/Dirty Money ft. Rick Ross & Nicki Minaj - Hello Good Morning (Remix)
Gyptian ft. Nicki Minaj - Hold Yuh (Remix)
Christina Aguilera ft. Nicki Minaj - Woohoo
Trey Songz ft. Nicki Minaj - Bottoms Up
Kanye West & Jay-Z ft. Rick Ross, Nicki Minaj & Bon Iver - Monster

gah, xp, and i just realised i could've just put them all in a playlist. grar.

Thank you anyway! :)

seconded - will be checking those out shortly!

MONSTER GIUSEPPE HEEL AS THE MONSTER SHOE

f yall "check it out" is a total fun jam

yeah.... no

yeah.... yeah

"omg" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this shitstain

ouch, that's harsh. what do you dislike about it?

all of it

it's just a total mess of a song that sounds horrible

i was trying to open a dialog there. :(

it is a little bit messy (mostly toward the end), but its strengths overcome that imo. what is the sample? it sounds familiar but i can't place it.

the sample really puts me in a good mood.

i think it's really sonically unpleasant w/ barely a hook

ahhh, i love the sonics. the hook is kinda bare but works?

oh shit, it's "video killed the radio star" haha

it also bothers me that on "omg" usher just sounds like a will body double & on this joint nicki is just playing the role of fergie -- there's no collaboration... it's just grafting other pop stars onto black eyed peas songs -- with usher it felt a bit more okay because he had already showed that he was just gonna jump on whatever trend could keep his career alive, but with nicki i feel like there should be more of a meeting of a minds than what this is

also her rap verse shouldn't be buried after 3 mins of will.i.am

that factor is way more depressing on "omg" probably because usher can do way more than he does and it feels like he's really limiting himself. i don't feel like nikki ends up as subsumed, but i don't think "check it out" sounds that much like a bep song. really, it's more in line with will's last solo album, which i liked most of.

i don't really care how this fits into nikki's career arc tho.

in fact i like it more for will than for nikki.

the will.i.am bits on this are even worse than...the rest of it, which is pretty bad, apart from nicki's rap, which arrives way too late in the day to rescue it

fuck all the talk about having threesomes w/ cassie & amber rose, i think the most subversive thing nicki's ever said on record is "i'm with a bad bitch/ he's with his friends" because she says it so casually that it's almost hard to notice

also i'm still trying to figure out the ratio of gross crassness: hilarious brilliance of "and we be doin donuts while we wave in the 380/ we give a lot of money to the babies out in haiti"

^^yeah agree

with the bad bitch line, but also the haiti one

from a straight rhyming perspective tho i've gotta give it up for "wave in the 380" & "babies out in haiti"

thirded.

that's "wavin' the http://www.naaminis.com/pix/380big.jpg"

and pretty sure the "bad bitch" and "he" aren't to be taken as the same person, sorry guys

"roman's revenge" is my #1 radio jam right now -- hardest diss track in forever too

I've been listening to it for three days straight – my new office jam. Last semester I used to get the editor pumped with "B.M.F."

i heard it for the first time today and that beat is too garbage for me to even wanna listen to the rapping

oh for god's sake

okay THIS is the song that she was recording on her MTV documentary that made me go "wait, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-?"

who's it a diss against?

Kim, but there's only like 2 lines that are even slightly more pointed than a billion Nicki songs randomly dissing nameless female rappers, "hardest diss track in forever" is pretty ridic

lol, I wonder if the diss track is dead in today's rap

really wish somebody would make a nicki-only edit of this. love nicki's parts but hate hate hate em's parts. two peas and a tripod?? ugh, the payoff is so not worth it.

MAAAAAANNING
MANNING ELI

yea this placed in my ilx ballot, its a jam

obv that em line is hideous but the rest is the 1st time ive been able to tolerate him in ages

yeah it's kind of crazy how much he sounds like old school Shady

the "two peas and a tripod" line doesn't bother me as much cuz there's actually a 'story' that builds up to it

Roman's Revenge would have made my Pazz and Jop were it a single in 2010.

Nicki raps like everything I hate about 2011 and Eminem raps like everything I love about 1999. Pretty much best verse of 2010 next to Earl's rap over "Drop" and Roc Marci's "Raw Deal"

eye-em-oh

yeah but the story feels so contrived, seems like he did it just to use the punchline, opposite of old school shady - putting the cart before the horse as it were xp

there's not much that separates ems verse on roman's revenge from his verses on love the way you lie

also it sounds like eminem show-era eminem, which was an eminem who had already used up his vitriol on the MMLP

sorry I'm gonna start talking about em now

I like his line "I swear to god I could piss off a happy meal"

there's not much that separates ems verse on roman's revenge from his verses on love the way you lie

― dayo, Friday, January 14, 2011 10:22 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is pretty rong

there's not much that separates ems verse on roman's revenge from his verses on love the way you lie

― dayo, Friday, January 14, 2011 10:22 PM (20 minutes ago)

i'm not gonna call it the "best verse of 2010" (smh) but there's a definite focus that recalls early em

fuck you kevin k3ller, werent you like jackin it to Avalanches records when Em was doing his best material?

nah i was listening to eminem actually

i was also 10 yrs old fwiw

smh

whiney when you call even a good eminem verse the best verse of 2010 (or even an ok jay-z song the best rap song of 2009) do you really expect ppl here to not shake their heads at how boring and old that makes you seem

you're right, gucci mane's "my car orange like an orange" raps are much more impressive than this, carry on, ILX

there's not much that separates ems verse on roman's revenge from his verses on love the way you lie

― dayo, Friday, January 14, 2011 10:22 PM (20 minutes ago)

i'm not gonna call it the "best verse of 2010" (smh) but there's a definite focus that recalls early em

ehh early em was a lot more playful, w/ good punchlines that had lots of creative metaphors (like form like voltron and blast you w my shoulder missiles to pick one I was just listening too)

this nu-em still has the obsession w rhymes and the sound of words but largely drops that kind of lyrical playfulness

~lets it go~ xp

like whatever, some dude, it's not like i'm not banging Mouse On The Track and Roachy Gigz and Odd Future all fuckin day either, its just that i don't throw away my old toys when i'm done playing with them.

And also, Em's rap on this is incredible and I'm not gonna stand idly by while someone growing his first pube on ILX shakes his head at me

since you guys are all here, i'm getting tonight's DJ arsenal ready... Is it racist to spin out "Arab Money"?

uh... pretty much, yeah

:(

like whatever, some dude, it's not like i'm not banging Mouse On The Track and Roachy Gigz and Odd Future all fuckin day either, its just that i don't throw away my old toys when i'm done playing with them.

And also, Em's rap on this is incredible and I'm not gonna stand idly by while someone growing his first pube on ILX shakes his head at me

― I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 14, 2011 10:57 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i don't really listen to any of the people you referred to and i'm not exactly a poster boy for casting aside old rappers. i'm just saying, picking the occasional defensible nu-Em or nu-Jay track and championing it as THE BEST OF THE BEST just looks so square that even if you think you're right you should probably be ready to take some shit for it

"i ain't into s&m / but my whip off the chain" is a v dope line imo

also the grocery bagging on this works for me -- the british nonsense at the end is of course unforgivable

i'm torn re the beat tho -- when it flourishes it is jarring & not in a good way -- they should've stayed as minimal as possible imo -- the backing vocals are awesome

His faggot baiting is more obnoxious than ever, but he's just as good at being obnoxious as he was in 2000, if that makes sense; and paired with Minaj it's a real competition. They foil each other perfectly. In addition, Minaj's "playing a character" shows up how poorly the difference between Em and Slim Shady looks like in 2010.

fwiw earl on "earl" > earl on anything else this year also > anyone else on anything else this year

between the two they don't merely fag bait -- they bait everyone. Equal opportunity malice.

his verse is way more sexist than it is homophobic, aside from the use of the word "faggot"

Yeah, they're cruel to everyone, and pretty good at it.

"i ain't into s&m / but my whip off the chain" is a v dope line imo

that one was a little too obvious imo but I liked pretzel for a brain/razor for a head/pretzel for a brain

but he also says he's gonna stick a falcon wing up a fly ass so it's a zero sum verse in the end

errr pencil for a frame

Roman's Revenge would have made my Pazz and Jop were it a single in 2010.

it was released as a standalone thing on halloween. are we really still stuck on old-skool definitions of "single"?

i love bits of eminem's verses - beginning and end of the first one especially, and how he reworks the chorus ("make that face, go on, scrunch it up at me/show me the target so i can LUNGE AND ATTACK IT"), but between that he kind of falls off the beat and tries to get too many words in. his second verse is ehhhh, though i do like how the faggot line is accompanied by the one moment of sonic pretty girlishness.

every moment nicki's on the mic is astonishing to hear and to rap along to, she sounds unhinged, and the beat is insane. top 4 moments:

1. the outraged vibrato on "i see them dusty-ass FILAAAS, LEVIIIIS, raggedy-ass HOLES IN YOUR KNEE-HIIIIGHS" that reminds me of missy's guest spot on trina's "rewind that back"
2. "i'm a BAD BITCH - i'm a CUNT" - what other rapper has even gone there with the c word
3. "OVERSEAS / CHURCH / VATICAN" - beyond the grocery bag and off the deep end
4. "M-M-M-M-MANNING ELI" - hearing his names in the right order feels completely wrong now

3. "OVERSEAS / CHURCH / VATICAN" - beyond the grocery bag and off the deep end

^^ i actually agree w/ this -- same thing with "hang it up... flat screen... plasma"

i realized that my original problem w/ grocery bagging was not how lame the punchlines were or how the structure highlighted them, but just that it was such a boring & monotonous way to rap, just very assembly line -- the triple bagging sort of subverts that tho in a way that's kinda free form

also her grocery bagging in the second verse doesn't even consist of punchlines, it's literally just random words hurled at the beat, but i love how it actually ends up making a fragmented kind of sense where you get to fill in the bits in between, and that it really conveys a sense of menace - the lunatic asylum of mumbling/cackling connects to the mass hysteria of scared/shook/panicking that leads into the need to pray combined w/all the sinister connotations of vatican...

"hey nicki hey nicki - " - ASTHMA

"hardest diss track in forever" is pretty ridic

― some dude, Friday, January 14, 2011 7:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

the thing about the song is that it's a great diss track in an unconventional way. obv there are only a few lines shot directly at kim and certainly no "takeover" style point-by-point breakdown (which would be unnecessary anyway), but it's still a very aggressive & confrontational track. like, just the general theme of the track & the medieval via bowser's castle flourishes during the chorus, right down to 'rah rah/ like a dungeon dragon' create just a very sinister & foreboding atmosphere that, in combination w/ the fact that we KNOW that it's about kim, elevate nicki's threats & taunts -- and she does say she'll put a hit out on her!

damn, i just realized the odd (intentional?) coincidence of eminem being on the song where nicki goes at kim

ha! i would guess unintentional. has eminem ever done a song with lil kim?

i like "moment 4 life" a lot, tho i wish the chorus was more interesting & less repetitive droning

yeah diss tracks are pretty lame nowadays, listened to death certificate and goddamn "no vaseline" wow how hateful, kinda blew me away

first time i heard "Moment 4 Life" on the radio i only heard the Drake verse and thought it was his song, and i was like who the fuck is singing this hook? maybe Chrisette Michele on a really really bad day?

i really like nicki's first verse in "moment 4 life" but the chorus starts to sink it and drake's verse finishes it off

what's the reference in the "my n*ggas get buck... OVERBITE"

does young buck have an overbite or something

buck teeth

where was your jukebox review of that anyway j0rdan >:(

i totally hadn't realized that jukebox had started back up for 2011 -- i'll look at the list

i would've given RR a 9

i can't fuck w/ "did it on em"

yeah me neither :(

Is there a thread I can't find where people discuss "Did It On 'Em"? Because maaaaaaaaan

If you could turn back time... CHER
Used to be here, now you're gone... NAIR

also v. disappointed the string of F1 rhymes doesn't go for "You need some help... F1"

"did it on em" is incredible, sometimes you just have to give in to the grocery bag. U AIN'T MY SON U MY MUHFUKKIN STEPSON

right now i kind of think "super bass" might be the most perfect bubblegum rap pop song - really no wonder taylor swift and selena gomez were so taken by that one particularly

italics don't make a line hot

How is the stepson line a grocerybag line lex?

I really like the "used to be here/hair, now you're gone... NAIR" line

anyway 'bedrock' is secretly a great song

yeah, no

i'm gudda gudda

i can't tell if "did it on em" is worse on the radio because 40% of the words are bleeped out, or is better on the radio because 40% of the words are bleeped out

altho i will give it to nicki, pissing on your children would be pretty disrespectful

the beat seems so spare, and not in a good 'ether' kind of way either

'bedrock' is like a fun summer version of 'black and yellow'

you're intentionally not trying to make sense right

i'm gudda gudda

"Did It On Em" is a totally mediocre mixtape song but compared to most of Nicki's other hits (and "Roman's Revenge" if j0rdan is still pretending that's a hit) it's kinda dope.

"Bed Rock" is a landmark piece of shit but it 'works' on some level that most stupid Young Money songs don't

i was hearing "roman's revenge" a ton on the radio but then "moment 4 life" came along & steam rolled it -- i wasn't pretending about anything

some solid anecdata itt

oh ok i never heard it on the radio once, i just thought it was funny when you talked about how it's totally going to place on pazz & jop next year

there've been too many times in the past few months where i've heard back to back young money songs on the radio

like "moment 4 life" -> "aston martin music" should not be allowed (even tho M4L has my favorite drake verse)

the worst is when i'm flipping between the 3 balt/d.c. rap stations and sometimes i'll hear Young Money on all 3 (or just Nicki on all 3, or all Drake, or all Trey Songz, or all Chris Brown). that kind of thing happens frighteningly often.

How is the stepson line a grocerybag line lex?

oh it's not! i was quoting it separately to my comment about grocery bagging.

Haha I was trying to work out what "You ain't my son you my muhhfucking #stepson" might mean.

so which tracks are actually the official singles atm? j0rdan says "roman's revenge" and "did it on em" are getting airplay, i heard "super bass" was gonna be a single, she's done a video for "fly" and i just got a promo single of "girls fall like dominoes".

I thought "Super Bass" was a bonus track? Or did she wise up?

yeah idk what's an official single or not -- i have a feeling that "roman's revenge" & "did it on em" are not official singles bcuz neither is edited for radio beyond straight silencing of the curses but that isn't exactly scientific of course

oh yeah i've heard the drake/nicki song off 'thank me later' ("what bitch you know made a million off a mixtape?") on the radio twice in the past two days

yeah, as is "girls fall like dominoes" - i guess she wised up! plus she's been taking lots of twitter feedback, which i assume is mostly along the consensus lines. also "super bass" got a ton of attention when taylor and selena covered it. also it's such a fucking obvious pop smash!

i assume "girls fall like dominoes" will just be the UK single given the big pink sample (i assume they're british)

you're also assuming that they're dead right?

well dude doesn't exactly sound in peak health to me

"Did It On Em" is definitely an official single -- i mean it's already in the top 10 of the R&B chart. basically it's been "Your Love," "Right Thru Me," "Moment 4 Life," then that, but since it's a huge hit album obv other songs are gonna get videos or pockets of airplay. it's rare these days any rap album keeps getting promoted w/ singles once it's been out 6 months, though, so no idea if anything will get a big push after "Did It On Em" runs its course.

i haven't played this album in full a second time since I bought it. some good songs but mostly only the bonus tracks.

'bedrock' is like a fun summer version of 'black and yellow' ―dayo, Saturday, April 2, 2011 7:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Wow. Just.....

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http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv27/Chancecdr/gudda.jpg

were they on The Real World or something

well the video had a "7 strangers picked to live in a house and dismantle the art of punchline rap together" theme

i somehow only heard up out my face remix the other day for the first time, had forgotten how much i loved the original but: best minaj verse imo love her in a softer 90's pop rn'b setting

good lord her new single is awful, even by her latter-day standards

heinous song