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http://pitchfork.com/news/37562-joanna-newsom-album-confirmed/

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Strange name for a Joanna Newsom album

pithfork (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

this should be a fun thread

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

I won't have one, thanks.

Big K.R.U.T. (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm fully expecting that there will be about three of us will enjoy this record.

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

*who

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Will this album be filled with pixie dust, unicorns, and magic?

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

misread ^^ as "puke dust, unicorns, and magic" and didn't even blink

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

It would be cool if the harmonica was the main instrument on this one

chicken sandwich CARL!! (Z S), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's a capella

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

are you being serious

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

no

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

ya hoos, serious

velko, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

well shit on my nuts and call me sally

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is there any beatboxing?

chicken sandwich CARL!! (Z S), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

well shit on my nuts and call me sally

^^^ This was actually the disc's working title, before they settled on Have One On Me.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Let's cut to the chase - Is Rahzel featured, and will there be throat singing?

chicken sandwich CARL!! (Z S), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lil Wayne guests on a verse in the closer.

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I always forget she's so polarizing. :P

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ah, I like her okay. Her voice is kind of grating, tho.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's gotten *a lot* better, though. Esp. live. She should use a bit more reverb on her vocals. Also "Only Skin" is an amazing song sung by anyone tbh

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

As Turangalila said, "polarizing":

I couldn't stand 5 minutes of her voice, much less a whole concert!

absolutely fucking phenominal. some of her stuff i can't listen to such as "peach plum pear". "sprout and bean" is how I got turned on to her. but this is my new faviorite

Also: poor spelling.

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

ya hoos, serious

― velko, Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:18 PM Bookmark

Ha, was this deliberate?

pithfork (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well, and listen to this one...
I'm pretty sure it'll be on the new album and it's just so heartbreaking and kind of In My Life-ish.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

; )

velko, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think I'm going to force myself to wait until the new album comes out before I listen to any of the new songs . . . I may have heard a clip a long time ago, but I don't remember. This is probably the album I want to hear more than any other this year.

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

way too many posts on this already guys

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

not a Joanna Newsom fan?

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

ill have one on her ME

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

i spent the length of an awful fever with ys blasting on loop and it was an experience as deeply moving and psychedelic as anything any chemicals ever induced in me

^^ i don't usually say this kind of shit

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Seeing her play a week from today...

Lord Byron Bay of Pigs (SeekAltRoute), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

trust me, it's just as good as when you're not on shit! if you don't want to sit through the whole thing, just try "Emily."

Pa pointed out to me, for the hundredth time tonight
The way the ladle leads to a dirt-red bullet of light
Squint skyward and listen
Loving him, we move within his borders
Just asterisms in the stars' set order

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

also: "hydrocephalitic listlessness"

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

ban hoosteen

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

HI DERE

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

I didn't have the heart to start this one

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

I will also anticipate this record

sleeve, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 05:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Has it been confirmed that this will be a 3 disc set and more down-to-earth than Ys?

Moodles, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 05:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

No but I sincerely hope there's strings in it :(

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 05:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

I kind of think she could make a better record minus the Van Dyke Parks string arrangements. I'd like to hear something a bit more focused.

Moodles, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 05:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I just hope that horrible live band she was playing with back in '08 aren't a part of this record, god they were grating.

Hatch, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 07:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am fucking stoked for this.

Simon H., Wednesday, 13 January 2010 07:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Cannot wait.

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 08:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Literally anticipating this quite eagerly.

krakow, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 09:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was pretty sure I'd hate this, but hearing that it's a capella means I'll reserve my judgement. I generally find her stuff cloying, annoying, like nails on a chalkboard, however.

Mordy, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 09:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think she's fantastic. very very excited to hear a new one...

shart in a bag, light it on fire (stevie), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 09:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

first time i saw her was SXSW a few years back, before the first album was out, and she played next door to a Lookout Records Showcase, and the venue she played had such dreadful acoustics that the sound of 3-chord-punk and conversations at the bar were louder, even right up to the stage, than her harp and singing. but she just played on with such tenacity and good spirits...

shart in a bag, light it on fire (stevie), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 09:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Her live performance of "Sawdust & Diamonds" solo on the harp was a brilliant thing. Also she's never been "precious" and never remotely close to "twee": Ys is as far away from twee and "fairydust and pixies" as you could possibly come. She's a great writer, nevermind the music, which luckily is as good (at least on Ys -- I've seen lately it's become popular to like 'Milk-Eyed' better, but I think Ys is leaps and bounds better.

abcfsk, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 10:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Laurie Nyro isn't twee.

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 10:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I saw her after Ys, and although I respect her songwriting and orchestration....it was just boring to listen to a whole concert of 10-minute songs. Plus, lately she does this really grating SQUEAK with her voice at the beginning of each new line.

Sam Weller, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 10:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hooray for this sort of thing.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 10:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

so excited for this but also glad that the hardcore will still be there clinging to cat-voice metaphors

schlump, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 11:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

im looking forward to this but yall should give up on trying to convince other people to like her

max, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 14:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

and the other half of yall should stop posting in threads about artists who u dont like

max, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 14:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sweet.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 14:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Seeing her in March with a 7 piece band (strings?)... really hope this is good.

sofatruck, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

hearing that it's a capella

Wait, what?

Simon H., Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's not a capella. Someone made a joke upthread.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Zeno, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

ah, durrr.

Simon H., Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah i know..

Zeno, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's actually spoken-word.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Which particular word?

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Antidisestablishmentarianism

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sorry, I sneezed.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ Joke of the week.

Megadeth Panel (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Arsenal.

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

backing band on the new record is vampire weekend

velko, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's not a capella. I was just kidding with someone yesterday.

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 15:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can't bloody wait for this. Still kicking myself for missing the YS Manchester show not a few hundred yards from me.

Oh and for anyone who wants a mash-up of Peach Plum Pear and Someone Great by Lcd (not many of you i don't doubt) it's here:
http://www.myspace.com/jickajick

piscesx, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Always have wanted a Snoop/Joanna combo "Bitchez and Balloons."

hardly a giant f-off pickup (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Very excited. I liked the stuff she did with the band, and thought the EP was great, so I'm hoping it's more stuff like that. I find the Van Dyke Parks arrangements on Ys the album's only weak link in a way; often quite distracting and sometimes even out of time. The EP has a much better sense of a bunch of musicians playing together in the same room.

Wax Cat, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

if it's not a capella can it be instrumental pls

ralph pls go (cozwn), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Always have wanted a Snoop/Joanna combo "Bitchez and Balloons."

There's a reggaeton remix of "Bridges and Balloons."

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

man, i really tried to watch those clips posted above and i just can't do it. made it about two minutes in for both of them. some things really are an acquired taste!

scott seward, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait, is that me or you?

scott seward, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

jaxon, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Moore Brothers are guesting on this, and I am probably the only one excited about that.

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 22:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was about to say, no one made an easy "the album is produced by the lonely island" type joke or such.

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 23:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait, is that me or you?

It ain't me!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 23:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Aaanyway. Why is that "sweet, Es(a)me!" song so gorge?
sigh :(

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 16 January 2010 05:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

i liked milk eyed mender fine but ys was pretty boring imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 16 January 2010 09:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well then.

http://towerofsleep.tumblr.com/post/334726662/breaking-news

Simon H., Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Makes sense, tbh. All the new songs are long.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Sunday, 17 January 2010 22:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

THREE discs you're kidding.

piscesx, Sunday, 17 January 2010 23:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is her Boys For Pele. kinda.

piscesx, Sunday, 17 January 2010 23:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Why is everyone so excited about Paul Newman's wife?

OCONDOR (Pt.1), Monday, 18 January 2010 07:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Saw her play last night.

A LOT of new stuff, a few piano based numbers in the middle and <gasp> almost an outbreak of 'ROCK' was threatened until she quickly returned to the harp. Really enjoyed the long *cough* prog rock-lite *cough* arrangements and Kate Bush, I mean Joanna, sounded great.

And yes, she looked extremely teh hotness.

Lord Byron Bay of Pigs (SeekAltRoute), Thursday, 21 January 2010 02:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

THREE discs you're kidding.

― piscesx, Sunday, January 17, 2010

____________________________________

this is her Boys For Pele. kinda.

― piscesx, Sunday, January 17, 2010

this is her Titanic

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 21 January 2010 02:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

how were the tunes though lord byron? did you come out whistling the new ones?

piscesx, Thursday, 21 January 2010 04:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

'In California' (I guess it's called) is still in my head, but I'm no whistler I'm afraid...

Lord Byron Bay of Pigs (SeekAltRoute), Thursday, 21 January 2010 05:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

A pretty good recording from the Sydney gig last week has gone up on D!MEAD0Z3N with around 6 new songs, band sounds great too, strings, brass, minimal drums.

Joe Pass Filter (MaresNest), Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/news/37690-new-joanna-newsom-song/

Well, now we can reveal a little more about Have One on Me. For one thing, it's a triple album. You read that right: Have One on Me will take up three CDs and three LPs. Ambitious!

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 17:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

my album of the year already, and i haven't heard a note

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 17:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://www.dragcity.com/products/have-one-on-me

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 17:45 (seven years ago) Permalink


actually terrible album cover of 2010?

More than 22 years have already passed after I obtain this DX7. (Future_Perfect), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah that's awful.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't mind it, but it makes it look like it's on DFA or something.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe she's into punk now--good for her

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

the song on the drag city site is really really good

abcfsk, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's very pretty though kind of minor & interlude-ish compared to the other tracks :P

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

25 bones for a triple LP ain't bad!

I skipped Ys, proggier doesn't mean better for me, but I think she's a pretty fucking excellent lyricist & that first album had some very solid jams on it

chances of me ever making it through a triple album that's not on Dust-to-Digital or Deutsche Grammophon are like 1000-1 tho tbh

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

lyrics are even better on ys than her earlier stuff imo. snagging the not van dyke parks'd live arrangements of the songs is pretty crucial too i think. but if u cant handle 13-minute harp epics u should stop running with the big dogs and get on the porch.

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

if people were to ask me what single album I would advise them to listen to before they die, it's Ys. period.

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

porch looks pretty nice tbh

tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp lol you really want to advise all ppl to listen to an album that 75% of them are going to hate?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

fortunately, no one asked you, kshighway ;)

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ys is great, people are nuts

randy e. bugler (jeff), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

but if u cant handle 13-minute harp epics u should stop running with the big dogs and get on the porch.

yeah if I'm listening to 13-minute epic songs in a rock/pop mode they better have a shredding solo and some wicked distortion or I want my money back, that is just how I break it down to an extent

I also hate Gabriel-era Genesis so even tho my hat is genuinely & sincerely off to Ms. Newsome's lyrical chops any day I gotta take a pass on any 13-minute epic songs until/unless they involve a Rat pedal & some corpsepaint

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

how about couplets about rats, is that cool?

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah

Ys >>> MeM

Ys is more showtuney Americana than prog.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

75% is my conservative estimate btw

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

its fine if u want to stay on the porch bro

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

u will still have to endure the wrath of my mocking t-shirt/fake license plate

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean even that albums fans have to admit it has all the ingredients to be extremely polarizing?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

also it's called Ys

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

i love porches. wish i had a porch.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Me too.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

planning on sitting on my porch this spring, listening to joanna newsom. or maybe Genesis, not sure.

tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

and playing cafe world, baby.

the clones of tldr funkenstein (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost

Mr. Que: :-)

call all destroyer: it's definitely polarizing, and, sure, a lot of people will hate it. still, my recommendation stands. one record before you die: Ys.

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's the record I'd play someone before I killed them, definitely.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ys is more showtuney Americana than prog.

ok this is where I get pretty haterific. been listening to showtunes for the last hour-plus. to which showtunes would you compare the stuff on Ys?

still, my recommendation stands. one record before you die: Ys.

please don't say things like this about any record unless Bernard Purdie plays drums on it - thanks

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost lol Alex

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

dying here

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

lolssss

tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh, nothing sounds like Ys, John. Really. Nothing. I just meant more in the sense of general signifiers - the songs being written in movements, the Cole Porterish starts and stops, the orchestration, the exalted sense of drama.

This pic was attached to the ID3 tag of the song that's streaming:

gorge

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

gorge

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh, nothing sounds like Ys, John. Really. Nothing.

this sounds like a challenge for my good friend Mr. Que

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

jorge

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

The arrangements/instrumentation on Joanna Newsom albums are usually pretty decent, if not impressive. The vocals and lyrics are always horrible.

won't you be my GAPDY / come and make it rain down on NME (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:01 (seven years ago) Permalink


KING LEAR:
To thee and thine hereditary ever
Remain this ample third of our fair kingdom;
No less in space, validity, and pleasure,(85)
Than that conferred on Goneril. Now, our joy,
Although the last, not least; to whose young love
The vines of France and milk of Burgundy
Strive to be interest; what can you say to draw
A third more opulent than your sisters? Speak.(90)

JOANNA:
Nothing, my lord.

KING LEAR:
Nothing!

JOANNA THE GORGE:
Nothing.

KING LEAR:
Nothing will come of nothing: speak again.

I CANT BELIEVE I'M DATING THE DUDE FROM SNL:
Unhappy that I am, I cannot heave(95)
My heart into my mouth: I love your majesty
According to my bond; nor more nor less.

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh, nothing sounds like Ys, John. Really. Nothing.

gahhhhh it sounds like a woman singing and playing a harp with some orchestra edits added in later. it sounds like something you can imagine yourself.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

LOL

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

i get that her voice isnt everyones thing but she is a terrific lyricist curtis!! i mean not even just in substance--shes got an amazing grasp of scansion & rhythm. i think the main reason i like her is the lyrics.

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

I meant compositionally and didn't mean to imply that some woman singing with an orchestra & a harp is unusual in itself

Recommend me more songs like Only Skin plz

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Misty Mountain Hop"

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Remove Bookmark from this Thread

randy e. bugler (jeff), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

huge lol jeff

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

sorry jeff

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

sorry ~~everyone~~

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

But walk a little faster
And don't look backwards
Your feast is to the East, which lies a little past the pasture

When the blackbirds hear tea whistling, they rise and clap
And their applause caws the kettle black
And we can't have none of that!

^^^ this kinda shit makes me cringe, esp when I hear it sung. Although lol @ "and we can't have none of that!"

I do kind of want to hear a JN cover of "stand by me"

so DARLIN DARLIN

won't you be my GAPDY / come and make it rain down on NME (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Remove Self from this Porch

randy e. bugler (jeff), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

*runs with the big dogs*

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah sorry curt i dont even know what about those lines makes u cringe

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

(supposed) tracklist I've seen floating around:

Disc One:
1 - Easy 06:04
2 - Have One On Me 11:02
3 - '81 03:51
4 - Good Intentions Paving Company 07:02
5 - No Provenance 06:25
6 - Baby Birch 09:30

Disc Two:
1 - On A Good Day 01:48
2 - You And Me, Bess 07:12
3 - In California 08:41
4 - Jackrabbits 04:23
5 - Go Long 08:02
6 - Occident 05:31

Disc Three:
1 - Soft As Chalk 06:29
2 - Esme 07:56
3 - Autumn 08:01
4 - Ribbon Bows 06:10
5 - Kingfisher 09:11
6 - Does Not Suffice 06:44

Simon H., Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:16 (seven years ago) Permalink


2 - Have One On Me 11:02
6 - Baby Birch 09:30
5 - Kingfisher 09:11
3 - Autumn 08:01
3 - In California 08:41
5 - Go Long 08:02

if I just delete these ones before listening I'll be good to go tbh

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like her lyrics a lot, too, even though I am defiantly Someone Who Doesn't Care About Lyrics. The thorniness of the language, and the rhythmic way it tumbles out, is a big part of what makes her interesting to me; I admire the dense lyrics of Joni Mitchell or Stephen Sondheim for the same reason.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait it's really three discs?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

"yeah sorry curt i dont even know what about those lines makes u cringe"

Wow are you sure you've left the porch? Or your basement?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp really and truly according to Drag City.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

there's also a bonus disc, one 72-minute song entitled "Dragonriders of Pern Suite"

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

hahah

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

So presumably "81" is the early-release mp3 not because it's the standout track as much as it's the shortest thing on there?

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wow are you sure you've left the porch? Or your basement?

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean... no? i could probably guess but why is the onus on me to articulate why curtis doesnt like something?

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

max don't try to shirk your responsibility

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Your feast is to the East, which lies a little past the pasture

See, I'm a straight-up sucker for internal rhyme and alliteration and all that. Could be nonsense for all I care.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

anyway like i said, lyrical 'content' aside the reall attraction for me is, like jaymc says, the scansion, the sound, the rhythm & so forth

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't like it because the words sound bad in my ears

won't you be my GAPDY / come and make it rain down on NME (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

there really arent that many non-rap lyricists who pay as much attention to the sound of words as newsom does

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

but Curt1s how do they feel in your SOUL

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe u should stick to instrumentals then stephens

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Does Joanna Newsom release instrumental discs?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

joanna newsom is soul-ambient

won't you be my GAPDY / come and make it rain down on NME (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to mash those with Gucci vocals!

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

there really arent that many non-rap lyricists who pay as much attention to the sound of words as newsom does

I think actually if there's beef to be had w/Newsom as a lyricist it's exactly that she errs too far on the side of words-as-sound. even say Ghostface, there's a guy whose feel for the sounds of words is huge wizard level - but he doesn't let that get in the way of his narrative, of the flow. whereas "your feast is to the east" - naw, jack. "past the pasture" ok that's quality play, but "your feast is to the east" is just like "you only said that to hear how it sounds" and there needs to be a little more payoff if you're busting out the feast to the east imo

OTOH maybe you're into Ammons & them dudes, if so, different strokes for different Ur-elves from the forests of Sliavh-Ghelong

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't object to the lyrics so much as her voice.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh--you have to listen to the whole song to get the "feast is to the east" bit i think

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean it fits into the narrative

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

which, by the way, is about a monkey and a bear

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

so, that would be

Disc One: 43:54
Disc Two: 35:37
Disc Three: 44:31

124:02

randy e. bugler (jeff), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

ILM in mocking Joanna Newsom and the people who enjoy her music shocker!

Also, I never claimed that Ys is the greatest record of all time, I just said it's my personal favorite. That's it.

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

what if her feast really was to the east that day

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

124:02

not even if it cures my rheumatism, thanks

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

anyway yeah my "critical commitments" (aka "my favorite professors in college") tend toward the "its all surfaces, man" school, so im ok with pretty-sounding words placed in juxtaposition. i still like cam'ron.

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

your best buy is to the west, guy

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

what if her feast really was to the east that day

lol'd so fucking hard at this.

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

its not newsoms feast that is to the east

it is the bears feast

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Those rhymes I like least.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

They stink like old yeast.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Does the bear eat the monkey at the end?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alex that doesn't rhyme

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

they fall in love or some shit iirc'st

won't you be my GAPDY / come and make it rain down on NME (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

was it her east, or the bear's east?

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

no, the bear takes off her skin and leaves the monkey

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh so it's a sex metaphor

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

(l-r: joanna newsom, bear)

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

3-CD soundtrack

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp LOL

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Where is the monkey in the poster though?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

ILM in mocking Joanna Newsom and the people who enjoy her music shocker!

you're right, this thread was better when people posted stuff like "album of the year and I haven't even heard it yet."

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

i like that inflammatory writ song off her 1st album which is 50% "yo this is a song abt a song btw" and 50% "clever wording"

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

cliffs notes--the monkey and the bear escape from the farm and travel together. the monkey makes the bear dance and sing for people in order so that they can make money to live on their own. the monkey keeps telling the bear that he loves her and its all for her benefit, that eventually they will get somewhere pleasant and happy. but the monkey is also jealous. he hears a rumor that the bear is bathing alone every night in caves near the sea. he goes to spy on her and gleefully plans on confronting her about bathing in a dirty place. but the its too late--the bear has left her skin behind and is swimming out to sea.

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost

how dare i express subjective hyperbolic excitement for the follow-up to my favorite record

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh--protip--youre not going to win this fight

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

uh there is like zero mention of any feast in that synopsis

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

yo guys exciting news I just got off the phone with a publicist, turns out joanna n. got a thousand hugs from ten thousand lightning bugs, spread the news

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

The best way to approach these things, kshingway, is to expect artists to shit on you.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think this thread was better when it was just kshighway threatening to take Y's to old folks home and forcing people on their deathbeds to listen to it.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

max: appreciated

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

"somewhere pleasant and happy" = "the feast in the east"

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's not an actual feast? :(

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

thinking of salo atm

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Where are the sloppy seconds?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

sigh

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think this thread was better when it was just kshighway threatening to take Y's to old folks home and forcing people on their deathbeds to listen to it

Oh so he joined a death panel, eh.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

The feast is to the east? What about the vessel with the pestle?

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

i like the idea of Ys being on the soundsystem on death row

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

also "words that rhyme" is not the same as "clever wordplay"

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

the term "wordplay" should never have been allowed outside the confines of the academy tbh

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ max and kshighway

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, u have to keep an eye on it or itll run out in front of traffic
xp

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ max and kshighway

won't you be my GAPDY / come and make it rain down on NME (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Chased by a bear. x-post

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

can I just, as a public service to kshighway, suggest listening to Owen Pallett / Final Fantasy, if he has not already? depending on what precisely you like about Ys, you might really enjoy his new one. thank you for your attention.

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^ should've someone expressed this via a funny jpg

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

(somehow)

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is that thing under the fence supposed to be a bear? It looks like some sort of badger.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

velko, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

my main problem with Ys, by the way, is that a lot of the arrangement seemed really ornamental and distant (as opposed to integral and necessary), which I think is why so many people prefer hearing small-group live recordings -- it'd probably have been a better record if she'd recorded it that way.

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

also "words that rhyme" is not the same as "clever wordplay"

― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:48 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

and the little white dove
made with love, made with love:
made with glue, and a glove, and some pliers

schlump, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost

nabisco: Thanks for the Pallett recommendation! (I really love your P4k review of it too.) I just went to Amazon Mp3 and bought it, and I'm looking forward to listening to it later.

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Saw her once a couple of years ago at the Royal Albert Hall, Roy Harper was the support act and he did all 4 (long) songs from Stormcock. JN later on referred to it as one of her favourite albums, and suddenly Ys made a lot more sense.

Joe Pass Filter (MaresNest), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think she is the least jordan-friendly artist maybe ever

rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, she said you're a douche

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Have One On Me Unless You're That A-hole Jordan

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

i told her to stfu that your a nice guy btw

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

thx bro

rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Douche is the least rhymable word in the english language I think, she would not have used that word.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

jordan's a douche, like lyndon larouche

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

works 4 me tbh

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

that mr. que is such a douche/he should learn how to fermez his bouche

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

jordan i heard tony allen is guesting on the new one

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Okay, you all know this is a regular horse of mine, but: that dove bit is at best a play on two already similar senses of the phrase "made with," no?

The reason this is a regular horse of mine is that I would really hate it if we reached some point where using any kind of basic poetic or rhetorical technique in your lyrics -- even a really simple and straightforward one like that -- suddenly became an occasion for "oo, aren't you clever" and "how pretentious / 'twee' is that," etc., because I'm pretty sure we don't collectively want lyricists to feel like they should speak with unadorned, monosyllabic directness to avoid seeming too uppity about it.

I realize Newsom is not a great person to ride this particular horse for, because yes, she really pushes and foregrounds the use of poetic language and very planned/crafted phrasing. But, you know, still. It's not like she's exactly symptomatic of a giant glut of that sort of thing, right?

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

Spelunking rhymes with clunking.

Joe Pass Filter (MaresNest), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

quoted re: the suggestion (i think - couldn't actually tell which side plaxico was coming down on) that she was just long words and rhymes, you know - was just pulling some example of a technique. i maybe don't belong here because if i've got a horse it's selective quoting to prove or disprove quality of a lyricist; i think just about anyone's going to write something which fits one of the profiles of basic or pretentious lyricism (be it 'be my, be my baby, be my little baby' or 'i don't believe in an interventionist god' or whatever). maybe this precludes lyrical discussion altogether.

schlump, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

I would really hate it if we reached some point where using any kind of basic poetic or rhetorical technique in your lyrics -- even a really simple and straightforward one like that -- suddenly became an occasion for "oo, aren't you clever" and "how pretentious / 'twee' is that," etc.

nabisco I don't know how to break this to you

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is why we cant have nice things

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

that dove bit is at best a play on two already similar senses of the phrase "made with," no?

from erik davis profile in arthur:
The easy rhyme of dove and love reflects the hackneyed ease of the cliché, which she then promptly takes apart. The word glove is a splice of glue and love, held together, as it were, with pliers and glue. This wordplay is not just surface but sense: it reflects the provisional and patched-together quality that exists beneath our idealizations of love, as well as what Newsom calls the “the Frankenstein phenomenon” that emerges when that love actually creates a living being.

schlump, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

last part of that quoted through laziness rather than to impress the romantic mysticism of her words btw

schlump, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh, my fault, schlump, I thought you meant it the other way!

yeah J0hn, I know the horse I'm riding is a little bit dead, but still -- bummer that it's so much easier to go "LOL what are you trying," as if the attempt is a bad thing in itself, than to take a stand on how it's working

xpost - haha I took issue with various things about that Davis piece at the time

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

thanks god my detailed analysis of "emily" has been lost to the sands of the sandbox

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

bummer that it's so much easier to go "LOL what are you trying," as if the attempt is a bad thing in itself, than to take a stand on how it's working

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

dont really like that erik davis bit :(

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean I agree with you, but I'm a doof who reads poetry. the battle, if there was one, is kind of lost. when the terminology of poetic craft does manage to leak into general use at all, gotta just celebrate that people are trying to engage at some level; no gain in trying to explain "it's not wordplay just because you pronounced a word wrong to make it fit your meter" (my own all-time Quixote topic).

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

max did you read the rest of the piece about how there's never been music like this, I mean you'd think it was loveless or some other unprecedented masterpiece of incrediblosity

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

i guess my attitude to lyrics isn't really nuanced or engaged really, its just a case of phrases jumping out and resonating or seeming awesome or something that grabs my attention, so when the lyrics don't have any effect on me already, any explanation abt why its clever (unless it really reframes the lyric for me, or points out something that I hadn't twigged) is unlikely to have much effect on me

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

dont really like that erik davis bit :(
It reads better in the original French.

the clones of tldr funkenstein (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

also, in Newsom's defense, I'm pretty sure my favorite bit of Ys involves a variation on the whole "horse walks into a bar, bartender says 'why the long face?'" joke

xpost - haha, J0hn, I'm not worried about terminology, more about some dystopian near future where well-educated people with good vocabularies are like "oh no a singer loved by middlebrow audiences used a big word or pun, this is critical and potentially disastrous"

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't get the criticism of the orchestration on Ys seeming ornamental or "surface" at all. I could see saying that for something consistently ~*floaty*~ like... Vespertine. But in Ys, there's a strong sense of congruency in what she's singing and the sounds of the orchestra (e.g., in Only Skin when she sings "we felt the spray of the waves..." the orchestra totally sounds like waves crashing against each other). They're always moving, changing according to some internal plot and I think this adds a lot to the songs harmonically.

It doesn't strike me as mere John Williams-style "oooh, random manipulative swell of strings here" at all and I think the songs wouldn't be half as beautiful and engaging without them.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't see anyone making fun of her lyrics for using big words or puns or slant rhymes, they're making fun of her because the lyrics sound kind of silly, or you know

I don't like it because the words sound bad in my ears

i mean, do you really need more than that? some people just don't like her lyrics. does that diminish your enjoyment of her?

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

no but it diminishes my enjoyment of reading peoples posts

max, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

in Only Skin when she sings "we felt the spray of the waves..." the orchestra totally sounds like waves crashing against each other

the kind of thing you're describing is actually what I mean about ornamentation and distance -- sometimes it's like she's playing and the arrangements are a marionette show off to the side of her, acting things out. which was not always a bad thing for me! but occasionally I didn't like that relationship between them, I guess, even if imagining the missing marionette show was fun.

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

after seeing the 6-piece band the record comes across a bit overblown to me, for listening I would definitely go for the live recordings of that tour before the studio LP. I think V.D.P. went a little overboard, and the arrangements seemed intrusive to me after the live experience.

Feel a bit out of depth here talking about her lyrics but I certainly like them and think her phrases are often very well paced in the compositions.

sleeve, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

argh paced = placed

sleeve, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

nabisco, I get what you're saying, though maybe your analogy would work better if that relationship were consistently obvious throughout the album (which it really isn't). Another problem is it reduces the orchestral part entirely to your assumed function that it should (or even intends) to fulfill in the music.

But I don't know, I'm a sucker for moments of musical "impressionism" of that sort.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Another problem is it reduces the orchestral part entirely to your assumed function that it should (or even intends) to fulfill in the music.

this is where jn's biggest boosters start sounding like cult members fyi. "this part doesn't sound like it really works" "oh you're just bringing your own set of assumptions to the table, it works fine as long as you assume that what you're hearing is completely awesome"

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

im pretty sure thats how you are supposed to argue stuff

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

"brokencyde is awful" "yes but they mean to sound like that"

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

now ur getting it!

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Seriously John? I'm not even questioning his reaction to the music at all, I'm talking about why I think the analogy doesn't entirely work, not why the music is "awesome" or why he should love the album. Commenting in this thread IS also fine if you happen to like the album and don't feel the need to be *~witty~* about your distaste for it.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

just so we're clear i wasn't being sarcastic

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Pretty sure J0hn wasn't either.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

'sawdust and diamonds' is the only song to make me laugh *out loud* (at the 'long face' bit nabisco mentions) aswell as well up with tears on the first listen. just never experienced anything like that range of extereme emotions in the first listen of a song ever before. them's some damn good lyrics that can do that imho.

piscesx, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

this should be a fun thread

― what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:11 PM (2 weeks ago)

I'm fully expecting that there will be about three of us will enjoy this record.

― kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:14 PM (2 weeks ago)

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

well yeah T I mean your position seems to be that critique of the record amounts to not understanding the record's aesthetic goals. this imo is a not a workable response - it basically means "your critique cannot be valid under any circumstances." since the goals of the artist aren't to the best of my knowledge stated explicitly anywhere, but are (here) inferred by yourself, it's fair to say "look, this sounds like an attempt at x, and it's not entirely successful," and that that's a more likely scenario than "this sounds like x, but in fact it is attempting something entirely different and cannot be critiqued as though it were attempting to achieve the aesthetics described as x, and any critique of it under the criteria contained in x is therefore invalid" - I mean - Psychocandy is a cavernous recreation of the Phil Spector aesthetic from one angle, but a sloppy mess from another, and both descriptions are valid.

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am not saying that at all, John. Maybe I didn't express myself clearly. He can dislike the album all he wants and I thought his description was actually awesome. I only said that equating the orchestra to marionettes DOES assume intentions/functions that---like you said---aren't very clear to begin with and make the ANALOGY work less.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

marionettes . . .

There's a light in the wings
Hits this system of strings
From the side while they swing;
See the wires, the wires, the wires

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

so uh is it possible to hear good live recordings of ys without the damn orchestra?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes, look for the 1st Unitarian show in Philly

sleeve, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

thank u sleeve

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

2006-11-16

sleeve, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

also: ys street band ep

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

if you want to hear the band instead of the orchestra

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

does andy samberg guest on this?

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I only said that equating the orchestra to marionettes DOES assume intentions/functions that---like you said---aren't very clear to begin with and make the ANALOGY work less.

well, but I'd say short of some very clear recording decisions - stuff you'd hear at every pass - "orchestra" in itself codes with certain functions musically; it's not lazy or unkind to assume these functions as an aesthetic intent. it's not unfair to say than an orchestra's role in relation to a pop vocal sits within a certain grouping of aesthetic expectations (generally: support and counterpoint; one could go much, much deeper into this), and that unless those expectations are pretty clearly being refuted/interrogated, the absence of such functions is more likely to be a missing of the mark than a recontextualization/remimagining of the role of the orchestra.

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

disc 2, track 1: I'm On a Horse (feat. T-Pain & Andy Samberg)

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost cool story, bro. but sorry, how does that contradict anything I said?

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

I only said that equating the orchestra to marionettes DOES assume intentions/functions that---like you said---aren't very clear to begin with

right: I am saying that there are aesthetic intentions contained in the use of an orchestra that it's fair to infer, absent some telegraphic function (the main ones I can imagine would be unusual instrumentation or recording techniques - filters, distortion - that call attention to themselves & to what they're doing)

is that clearer?

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wish l0u1s jagg3r were around to give a detailed play-by-play analysis of Have One On Me when it comes out

won't you be my GAPDY / come and make it rain down on NME (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 02:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well so for the record I like Ys a lot! And as far the whole "ornamental" and "distanced" thing I'm talking about with the orchestration ... I'm not saying that's inherently a bad thing; I'm sure someone could make a record that did that in a way I thought was great. But on this record it does strike me as kind of a drawback. Which is why I was suggesting that maybe lots of people felt that way, and maybe that's why there's a ton of love for the live shows and recordings with a smaller group -- because one thing the live presentation definitely did was cut away this distanced/ornamental quality I'm talking about.

So, yeah. It seems like a pointed aesthetic decision and one that has some cool things about it, but there are parts of that record where I'm not sure it's the best choice. (Part of it might just be a recording thing, where the soundstage Newsom's on and the one the orchestra's on aren't meshing quite right.)

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 07:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

New material an improvement imo

with a bad girl's enlightenment and a Buddha's passion (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

i dig the rapping

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

can I just, as a public service to kshighway, suggest listening to Owen Pallett / Final Fantasy, if he has not already? depending on what precisely you like about Ys, you might really enjoy his new one. thank you for your attention.

― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:52 (Yesterday) Bookmark

did we talk about that record on here yet? i want to talk about that record i think

thomp, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

Uh-oh:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/01/joanna_newsom_three_times.html

Great news, fans of harps and indie rock: Indie-rock harpist Joanna Newsom is releasing a freaking triple album. It’s called Have One on Me and it’s out February 23 on Drag City. We’ve also gotten the first official song, “'81,” and it’s exactly as somber and pretty and overbearingly twee as you’d expect.

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Indie-rock harpist

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i meant it used the "t" word, but yeah.

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

huh, there I was listening to it and thinking that she had excised the remotest remnant of t*** from her music.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Until she stops singing there will always be the twee label applied to her. Whether you think it's a correct application is another thing.

I think her singing style is inherently twee.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

hope Only Skin makes it to the Juno 2 soundtrack

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

:P

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

hope Only Skin makes it to the Juno 2 soundtrack

This sentence should not exist.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

clap your hands if you believe

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:29 (seven years ago) Permalink


ny mag says the new song is about dragonslayer

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

ny mag says the new song is about dragonslayer

Well, love IS a mystery.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

i haven't heard it yet, but i'm fairly certain the song is about 1981

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Mr Que your obsession with Joanna is endearing btw

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Que, you looking forward to hearing it?

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe i've already heard it ;)

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

single of the year imo

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

so I was listening to the sydney opera house show and can't really listen to her sing "you makin' love" over and over without thinking about a naked + sweaty adam sandberg now

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think its "andy samberg"

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

a naked and sweaty adam sandler

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

hey so seriously, i mentioned it above, but I hope this gets the Moore Brothers (who contribute some guest vocals to this record) some much deserved hype! they are awesome.

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

step one: cut a hole in the harp

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

i lol'd

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

i always get boxes and harps messed up, too

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

must make for a fucked up xmas at yr house

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Mr. Que with his new gift:

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

"you got me a harp?"
"no your present is inside the harp"

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah if you've never tried to unwrap a harp, you've never lived

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

did you know bill callahan is writing a nasty breakup album called sing! harpist

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

rumor has it that bill callahan is the monkey, and joanna newsom is the bear

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

bill callahan is the bear in the bumper car

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

heard the callahan record is called Darps of Hevotion

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

"i haven't heard it yet, but i'm fairly certain the song is about 1981"

THE YEAR DRAGONSLAYER CAME OUT!

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alex in SF do you like JN?

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

first you stole their land, now you steal their bandwidth

xp

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp I like Dragonslayer.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty indifferent to JN though.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

dragons lay her

velko, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

That album cover is way better than Have One On Me's.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like the Have One On Me cover. it is functional.

djembe jivin’ sidekick (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think the album cover's kinda dumb :I

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

tells you who the album is by, what the album is called

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Doesn't have weird pixallated Dragonslayer font and logo though.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

she doesn't have the best track record when it comes to album covers

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

do I need to remind everyone

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

So glad I got to see that album cover before I die.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

alex, is that the last thing people get to see before you murder them

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Maybe if you buy it on itunes you get an automatic download of the iBeer app:

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

"alex, is that the last thing people get to see before you murder them"

Unless they are vision impaired, it sure is.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

what is the symbolism of the sickle and butterfly???

djembe jivin’ sidekick (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

so if you play them this album and then butcher their ear canals ppl r allowed to live after this y/n?

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well see there is this song about a butterfly and a bear who farms and the butterfly and the bear go on a magical adventure to the west (which is the best) and then in the end the bear eats a unicorn.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

sounds like quite a feast!

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well see there is this song about a butterfly and a bear who farms and the butterfly and the bear go on a magical adventure to the west (which is the best) and then in the end the bear eats a unicorn.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:05 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

arent you a big sci fi fan?

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh snap

LRN, which helps companies build ethical cultures (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

thank you for this thread

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

ey bernard how've you been

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

nah i mean i dig sci fi and elaborate harp-driven allegorical songs i just dont see why one is more ridiculous than the other

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

and newsom is way hotter than sam delaney imo

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

the puppy and the plum
making jam for fun
all day o'er the fields
of gold feeling moldy boldly
going where no man
has gone before

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

no, not me,
I'm an island of such great complexity

LRN, which helps companies build ethical cultures (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

a chapter without a verse conversely
rhytmicly rhyming long and terse
and you
in the kitchen
clarifying butter
in a churn, yearning burning
like an urn

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

dude from smog
middle school playing pogs
slammer mc hammer
o ye
harken
some stupid shit

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Far away from the beginning
The shroud is made of linen
The yearling took the purse
The goth kid has a hearse

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

toast without preserves
apricot aliquots, marmalade slathered
empty cots
swaying like
a white pony

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

*chorus*
neiiiiiiiiiiiiigh neigh

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I swag hard
yeah I swag long
my swag so right, man, you got me all wrong

LRN, which helps companies build ethical cultures (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am disturbed by how suddenly Newsom photography has gone from "you have elf ears" to "please turn around and bend slightly forward."

Also I'm always really interested in perceptions of her voice, because some people obviously find it really childish/precious/"twee," whereas others find it kind of creepy and old-crone! Personally I tend more toward the latter of those two -- there is a creak in her voice that she's always using, and it can be faintly unsettling and blaring; it reminds me far more of an old woman than any sort of child (though I'll admit that our picturesque visions of the two things, when it comes to woodsy imaginative harp music, have a lot in common)

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

the bumper and the bear

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

attractive woman in having attractive pictures taken shocker.

her arm looks creepy and dislocated in that picture.

dumb mack maine follows (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

"arent you a big sci fi fan?"

What this has to do with anything is beyond me?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am disturbed by how suddenly Newsom photography has gone from "you have elf ears" to "please turn around and bend slightly forward."

she's following the established career path


鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

nothin bro

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

just sayin... he who is not into books about spacemen should throw the first stone at the musician writing songs about bears and monkeys

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

hoy hoy I am referring less to "attractive pictures" and more about some point where people started fixating heavily on her having a shapely ass

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Dat ass indeed

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

it is a thing of beauty tho

dumb mack maine follows (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

"just sayin... he who is not into books about spacemen should throw the first stone at the musician writing songs about bears and monkeys"

So basically you don't know what you are talking about it. Got it.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

hoy hoy I am referring less to "attractive pictures" and more about some point where people started fixating heavily on her having a shapely ass

this is due to the fact she went from queen of evony entry to haute couture in the space of a year

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

nabisco i think you're otm about the old lady voice

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

i kinda think it sounds like a kid's impression of an old lady.

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

lisa simpson with a lovely upper register

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

alex u are pretty butthurt eh

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

thought this was all a good fun joeks time

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

SF stands 4 SyFy

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

max you are misunderstood

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

i guess i am the monkey, in this situation, and alex in sf is the bear

max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is that last photo Luna?

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

ilx is the bumper car and adam sandberg is cutting a hole in a harp

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

lolllll just noticed the harp in that hotel pic

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

"i guess i am the monkey, in this situation, and alex in sf is the bear"

I can't wait to strip the skin off your body with my sickle.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

;-)

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thankfully you've already heard Ys so I won't have to play it while I'm doing this.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

everyone just take it Ysy

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ys is probably one of the few records in my collection I'll be still listening to as a Senior Citizen. Only Skin is probably the best song of the last 50 000 years.

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/artist/Joanna+Newsom/5917

tin cub, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

shhh our cult is secret tin cub!

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

:-x.

I will try to take the bullets for all y'all by confessing that seeing Ys done live w/ orchestra made me quite literally feel like I was going to die, a lovely death of, u no, sublimity or some shit, something that's a few notches above any other, uh, 'experience of art' I've had. Most esp. the swelling strings in 'Emily'.

Also, I am 100% certain that this upcoming album is going to make the entire renaissance look like 1 big pile o shit.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

LOL I love Joanna Newsom fans.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

So much that you feel the need to spend the entire day in this thread adding nothing but snark. It really is love.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

My snarky comments on this thread are the greatest wisecracks anyone has ever made on anything since the dawn o' time.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

^100% not exaggerating at all.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

plz wisecrack by my deathbed, alex

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Have you heard Ys, Brad? Cuz I have to play it for you, before I smother you with a pillow otherwise.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

wYscrack

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alex never stop bringing your magic to this thread

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I didn't know what emotion was until I read some of Alex's Newsom zings, they were like learning to experience dawn for the first time

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 03:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I still don't believe her voice, it all seems like an act. Will say as lame as the elfin persona was , can't say I love the new sexxxy--starring in MGMT and playing fashion parties one much more, although it's much more believable and "authentic"

Either way, still think she's putting on a voice

Emily's Cheese, Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Seeing Ys live made me bored.

Sam Weller, Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Either way, still think she's putting on a voice

xpost: doesn't Neil Young put on a voice, too? (not harshing on you personally, Emily's Cheese, just generally venting)

pobrecito (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Virtually every singer is "putting on a voice".

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

There's some interview where Joanna said something like: "The institution of singing is inherently an affectation."

kshighway (ksh), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Google tells me that's from Davis's Arthur Profile, which I've read too many times.

kshighway (ksh), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

“When I listen back to those first EPs, I’m like, well, that voice does sound fucking crazy. There is no way around it. But I know exactly what space I was in. I was so sure that I didn’t know how to sing that I was just going balls out. I was like: I’m going to sing my heart out, as crazy as it sounds, and I’m not going to care because there’s no hope of sounding anything like what people consider beautiful. I sure as hell wasn’t affecting anything. I mean, the institution of singing is inherently an affectation!”

from: http://www.arthurmag.com/2006/12/23/nearer-the-heart-of-things-erik-davis-on-joanna-newsom-from-arthur-no-25winter-02006/

kshighway (ksh), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

This will be her Nashville Skyline.

Sam Weller, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

re: her voic
way too flowery

CaptainLorax, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

more like her self portrait

thomp, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

totally on board for her infidels in 2017 tho

thomp, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

more excited for her Christmas in the Heart, tbh

kshighway (ksh), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

??

nashville skyline is about 13 mins a side

goole, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean, the institution of singing is inherently an affectation!

newsom OTM

unless you walk around all day singing things to ppl like you're in a big ole opera

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I contend that choosing the name Emily's Cheese is bit of an affectation as well. Unless your parent's really named you that in which case, I am truly sorry.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jumping in to this crazy thread to say that I think her voice sounds wonderful on "81". She has clearly worked on it a lot over the past few years. Compare this new song to any song on Milk-Eyed Mender and it is pretty much night and day.

Not sure I understand the whole idea of her putting on a voice. Beyond making an attempt to sound reasonably good, I don't get the impression that she is "playing a role" or trying to be something she is not. I think the "wackiness" that comes out of her various projects is really just the sound of her being true to herself. Whether you like that or not is a different question...

Moodles, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

emil Ys cheese

velko, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

deathbeds gettin brought up a lot on this thread jus sayin

plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

unless you walk around all day singing things to ppl like you're in a big ole opera

I have always assumed Joanna Newsom does this on the regular

djembe jivin’ sidekick (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Safe assumption probably.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

~*cleverness*~

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

438 messages and no one has heard the record yet

thomp, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh that's not true at all. I'm sure someone at cloth-eared yokel at Drag City has listened to it by now.

In other news JD Salinger died without hearing Ys.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

good thing they play Ys in heaven pretty much 24-7

tylerw, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

That doesn't matter to JN fans though. It's gotta be heard while in the full flush of life or it don't count.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Would you know my name
If you heard Ys in heaven
Will it be the same
If you heard Ys heaven
I must be strong, and carry on
Cause I know Ys don't belong
Here in heaven

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

guys i think at 443 posts you may be running out of jokes to make about joanna newsom, her music, and her fanbase

thomp, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

good innings though

thomp, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

(i actually like JoNew fine, just having a laff ... a+++ tears in heaven reference btw)

tylerw, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can someone with more time on their hands take this scene from Manhunter and replace the Iron Butterfly with something from Ys? k thx bye

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 29 January 2010 04:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

how much do harps cost?

kamerad, Friday, 29 January 2010 04:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp

LOL

first genuinely funny post in this thread

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Friday, 29 January 2010 04:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

btw the title track of this is a monster with a gorgeous bridge and a completely unexpected wordless coda

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

But now you've told us, so we will expect it.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 January 2010 15:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

:P

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can't decide if this is better or worse.

Hatch, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

that song streaming on drag city sounds a lot like "army dreamers" by kate bush
her voice is much improved!

velko, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost Is that to do with the waltz rhythm she's playing on the harp?

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

probably, i mean they don't really sound that alike but army dreamers immediately came to mind within seconds of listening to it, also her voice and phrasing sounding a bit more like kate than before, at least in that song

velko, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hatch, is that the real cover? Man, I'm a fucking iTunes dude, but I'm buying this shit on vinyl.

kshighway (ksh), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh shit, definitely the real cover: http://www.dragcity.com/products/have-one-on-me

TRIPLE LP TIME!

kshighway (ksh), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know if Drag City ships download codes with their LPs?

kshighway (ksh), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Good question. The whole concept of free mp3s with a purchase of LP has made me very enthusiastic about buying vinyl. I think any record company that does this is on the right track.

Moodles, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Love the album cover. I had been scratching my head over the all black version because it seemed just too half-assed for her. This is much more what I'd expect. I like how she always seems to be one-upping herself.

Moodles, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Moodles OTM. The first "artwork" we saw was awful, but this is awesome. I don't even have a turntable, but I want to buy the vinyl just to have it. I'll almost definitely do so if there's a download code. Maybe I'll email Drag City and ask them.

kshighway (ksh), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

450+ posts of jokes and no one has used the phrase "quit harping on her music" or something similar

for shame people

for shame

brews before HOOS (s1ocki), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Great photo for the album cover but I'm still not to keen on the typographic choice.

Moka, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Edwardian color-tinted postcard cover artwork? Success.

Sam Weller, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't know anything about fonts, but it reminds me of the font from Clockwork Orange movie posters.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

But the picture is great.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

that song streaming on drag city sounds a lot like "army dreamers" by kate bush

she is sounding a lot like kate bush lately. and it's not just her voice/phrasing, even her songwriting. it's kind of disappointing because whatever you think about her, until recently you could never say "she sounds just like [insert name]".

between that and picturing a naked + sweaty adam sanberg during her tender love ballads....

鬼の手 (Edward III), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I agree that the new song sounds a bit like Kate Bush, but I think she's not a bad person to be compared to.

Strangely, prior to this song I had been reminded a bit of Kate Bush simply in the way it took both singers a couple albums to really grow into their voices. Kate's voice sounded very thin and child-like on her first album or two, but over time she gained a lot of depth and breathiness.

Joanna Newsom seems to be headed in the same direction, though unlike Kate Bush, she wasn't born with a golden voice. She's had to work a bit harder to get to a "good" singing voice.

Moodles, Monday, 1 February 2010 20:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Why has she been trying to look so damn sexy lately?

Evan, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Why not?

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Shes trying to sell records I guess ;)

Evan, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Great photo for the album cover but I'm still not to keen on the typographic choice.

The font works really well for me. The whole cover reminds me of something you would see from that era in the early/mid 70s when imagery and design from the 20s/30s made a comeback. See also The Sting, Bugsy Malone and this Stones tour poster...

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

BUSTED

tylerw, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

classic poster imo

velko, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

ilu nabisco

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Why has she been trying to look so damn sexy lately?

― Evan, Monday, February 1, 2010 10:57 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Why not?

― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Monday, February 1, 2010 10:59 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Shes trying to sell records I guess ;)

― Evan, Monday, February 1, 2010 11:03 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

blarg

schlump, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hey, in the right light...

Evan, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

The way Newsom makes music seems — at best — very, very distantly related to the texture of your everyday life in the here-and-now part of the world. Harps, dancing bears, walnut-shell boats: I have never seen any of these things in a bodega.

it's unfair to splice this out of nabisco's longer graph, in which it's making a case that newsom's aesthetic and rhetoric are distinctly exotic and alien, and the piece goes on to defuse the idea that these things are overbearing. but i have problems with this idea generally. i don't think people consume in such a literal way, or only look for poetry in realms similar to their own - i feel like the connective point between j-new and annoying teenage fans is the emotion and conclusions she draws on her experience, even if monkeys and bears are stand-ins for girls and boys. the particulars in her lyrics are markedly unfamiliar but those things are interchangeable and don't affect our understanding of things.

i don't know if the opprobrium towards people listening to music outside of their immediate sphere - rich white kids listening to hip hop or whatever - even exists anymore, or is solely in my imagination, but i think the argument against that is that we don't relate to art according to its superficial variables but in its themes; we might not spend much time in the forest but can understand a midsummer night's dream or whatever. joanna newsom's waiting to be pigeonholed, and there are enough anomalous aspects to her music & persona for critics to wave a flag about, but it maybe irks me slightly when the charge of being precious and flighty is hung on something interchangeable.

schlump, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp
blarg

― schlump, Monday, February 1, 2010 11:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Hey, in the right light...

― Evan, Monday, February 1, 2010 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

was blarging at the idea that j new dared to bare flesh purely as a capitalist strategy fwiw

schlump, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Haha oh I wasn't seriously suggesting that.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, schlump, Max wrote some interesting things about that later! I was definitely skimming over the ways things like allegories are referring to the here-and-now. What's interesting to me is that her sorta "make-believe" aesthetic is actually the least affected option for a harp player with a voice like that -- playing stuff we perceive as more here-and-now might seem bizarre for her!

Interesting how that album cover, though, is a definite leap in contemporary here-and-now imagery for her.

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

I still think this is going to be my album of the year. Still haven't heard a note! Man, music is awesome.

ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

So will there be an equivalent thread bitching about this album when it inevitably tops the Pitchfork and Pazz & Jop lists?

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can someone explain Joanna Newsom to me? I just don't get it.

joep, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

see there's this bear and a monkey and the wizard of Ys.

tylerw, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can someone explain Joanna Newsom to me? I just don't get it.

― joep, Monday, February 1, 2010 9:23 PM (2 minutes ago)

Just watch this!:

ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Note: You should be dying while you watch that.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jesus that looks difficult.

Mark, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

There has to be more than technical skill. Do people lose their minds over her for any other reason than she plays the harp and is very cute? The voice is a bit strange and inaccessible for the mainstream, the songs are kind of obtuse and nontraditional... I'm not saying these are bad things but I am wondering if she is more of an aesthetic self-fulfilling choice for fans.

joep, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

No one listens to her because she's the Yngwie Malmsteen of the harp -- she's isn't! There's no unnecessary display of technical prowess going on in any of her songs; they're all carefully, and painstakingly, composed pieces, and I personally don't hear anything "extraneous" in any of them. In addition to her precise and evocative lyrics, which are only Ren faire bullshit to people who either actively want to dislike her or don't know what close reading is, I love her because her music really is really idiosyncratic, but not in a way that grates, despite what others say. If you can find a way in to the songs that works for you, I think there's always a possibility that the world she's creating will open up to you in a way you might find really compelling and affecting.

ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thanks man, no one has ever taken the time to explain any of this to me. Honestly I haven't listened extensively, so I plan to spend some time with the new one. But the most reasoning to listen I ever get from the trendsters is "she's amazing", with little to no elaboration or points.

joep, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

She is extremely technically proficient, and I think that contributes to the fullness of melody you might hear otherwise in two talented dueling guitars. Point is that it isn't show-offery, the ambitious compositions serve the song and the melody, as apposed to most jam-bands that have it exactly opposite.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hey man, no problem! If you decide to listen to her first LP, Milk-Eyed Mender, first, it's a good idea to keep in mind that it's far more of a scattered and erratically pleasurable affair than Ys. Some songs, like "Sadie," are really compelling mini-narratives backed by the harp, but there's also harpsichord ("Peach, Plumb, Pear") and piano(?) ("Three Little Babes"). It's kind of all over the place, but it has its own charm, and when it hits its stride (the aforementioned "Sadie," "Book of Right-On," and "Sprout and the Bean"), it's awesome. Ys, in my opinion, is great all the way through, so I can only recommend listening to it closely a few times through, then perhaps a few times with the lyric sheet in front of you, and then another time after reading Erik Davis's piece on Ys from Arthur Magazine (http://www.arthurmag.com/2006/12/23/nearer-the-heart-of-things-erik-davis-on-joanna-newsom-from-arthur-no-25winter-02006/). That's just one possible way of trying to approach her music, of course, but I think it could work. Still, some people won't like her stuff no matter how they listen to it, and that's fine too.

ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Holy f. I watched that Sawdust & Diamonds clip through to the end. I think a certain kind of artist has a kind of singular song that might not be a good jumping off point for a newcomer looking for their way in, but is a perfect summation of their aesthetic/what they're reaching for. Something like Voodoo Child (Slight Return) for Jimi Hendrix or Lover You Should've Come Over for Jeff Buckley. Those are probably bad examples for a lot of people here, but I do think she fits into a kind of capable rockist auteur thing. I mean, a lot of critical narrative hovers around "Well, they could barely [do x] but they overcome [] to interesting effect". What happens when they can execute whatever they want? So it's all back on concept? Not sure if I'm explaining this right. I'm just not articulate enough to, um, articulate what I'm getting at.

ecuador_with_a_c, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Her new look and celebrity stizz isn't vibing with me hard, that said I like her new song much more than anything on Ys so hmmmmmm

Emily's Cheese, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 08:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've liked her since the Cair Paravel reference on MEM. Haven't listened to Ys more than a few times after an initial enjoyment of it. Her voice doesn't *SQUEAK* before every line on the new single like it does on Ys. That's good at least.

Sam Weller, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

She has another new track up on http://www.dragcity.com/

Evan, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Piano and drums!

Evan, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

wow, based on those 2 songs previewed on drag city i might buy this

velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

She sounds like shes conciously trying not to sing as over the top as he has previously. Maybe shes as bored with freak-folk quirks as most of us are.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

she has*

Evan, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/news/37767-another-new-joanna-newsom-song/

ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ah, Evan already posted the link. Cool! (I'm not going to listen to any of these until I get the full record.)

ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

She didn't sound over the top on Ys and I doubt she was ever reaching for any 'freak folk' voice.
These songs are a little different and I like both a lot.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

She was a bit over the top, as everything was on that album (I really like it by the way!). And those vocal quirks have been associated with freak-folk, and so has she. I like her, so please don't feel defensive.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Okay, really really loving "Good Intentions Paving Company".

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I do believe this song has signalled the coming of the messiah.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

by which I mean, it's pretty great.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

She sounded great in concert last night. It was really great hearing her voice surrounded by quite a few different instruments and great to see her jump on the piano a couple of times.

micarl, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

the leaked songs are my least favorite of what I've heard from the new stuff tbh

jim o'rourke produced this, right?

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

He did? Again? Oh man.

ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

He only mixed Ys. :)

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

would ppl who are repping hard for jn's harp chops please list four or five of their other favorite harpists, please

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

(sorry)

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

my favorite harpists are Ann Hobson-Pilot and Elizabeth Remy

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

alice coltrane

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Little Walter

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

oops I meant Elisabeth Remy Johnson

gotta get it right if I'm gonna pimp friends

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

that chick from owt

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

brews before HOOS (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://www.elisabethremy.com/grandjany.mp3

^^^ ftr, also runs marathons

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

would ppl who are repping hard for jn's harp chops please list four or five of their other favorite harpists, please

― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:05 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

think youre misreading some people? i dont think anyone is repping 4 her chops.

max, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is what I said upthread:

No one listens to her because she's the Yngwie Malmsteen of the harp -- she's isn't! There's no unnecessary display of technical prowess going on in any of her songs; they're all carefully, and painstakingly, composed pieces, and I personally don't hear anything "extraneous" in any of them.

I'm with max.

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh highway what do you think of sonny boy williamson's harp playing

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

man, i'm impressed by anyone who can play a harmonica. i've tried. shit's hard.

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

(i used Wikipedia, btw.)

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

:-)

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

that chick from owt

zeena parkins, totally blanked on her name for a second there

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Rhodri Davies, Xavier de Maistre, Alice Coltrane, Nicanor Zabaleta

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

i've heard her harp playing described as very idiosyncratic and sorta self-taught? it's all plinky plink plink to me.

velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

not sure that anyone was repping that hard for the chops? Besides Evan's "extremely technically proficient", which isn't the most mindblowing of praise. (eesh many xposts, learn to type quickly.)

This song, I realise, kinda reminds me of Song Cycle, a kind of miniature excursion into the relatively-unmined-by-modern-pop-music side of the American vernacular.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

no, her playing is equally influenced by trad classical training and african kora music

xp

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

i've heard her harp playing described as very idiosyncratic and sorta self-taught? it's all plinky plink plink to me.

― velko, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:14 PM (1 minute ago)

she's classicaly trainwd

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, like i said, i'm not sure i could tell the diff (i was probably remembering someone describing her vocals lol)

velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

"classically trained" is kind of like "went to college"

I'm sure she's fine but yeah it was even's "extremely technically proficient" line I was thinkin abt

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol @ the JN opinion police

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I saw her on the YS tour, she played some pretty intricate stuff for 1+ hour and I didn't hear an off note so I'd put her in the beyond proficient category

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

talks a bit about her harp playing here
http://www.chickfactor.com/current/cf16_joannanewsom.shtml

velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

no, her playing is equally influenced by trad classical training and african kora music

xp

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:16 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thought this was a joke at first

ethan SPADGETT (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

hey j0hn when are you gonna finally write a dude-from-the-fiery-furnaces-style rant on JN and her cult

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

From that chickfactor interview:

cf: what's your drink of choice?
joanna: hmm. if I had my druthers, I would only drink framboise lambic, which is a raspberry-flavored, frothy, garnet belgian ale that tastes like unicorn tears.

This is exactly the shit that kept me from listening to her way back when. I mean, yes my own issue and I did get over it, but ffs... "unicorn tears"???

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

thing is, she is kind of OTM

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

also framboise sucks

xp haha

max, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's a random line which in no way communicates with the general landscape of her lyrics. and it has to be said she grew an enormous amount from the debut to ys

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

she meant the bloody wounds(tears) a unicorn makes with its horn

velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

she grew. . . into a unicorn

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

framboise lambic is nice in small doses but in order to drink a whole lot of it you'd need to be really technically proficient

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

my respect for joanna newsom has gone way up now that I know she actually says things like "unicorn tears" in interviews

ethan SPADGETT (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Triple LP btw

danbunny, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

(turangalia, the thing is, I'm not a hater of JN - I think she's kinda terrific in some ways, and, besides, I think it's really kinda icky when musicians from the same side of the block snark & spit real-world venom, that is completely not my style - I'm glad as fuck that JN is making records that inspire people to flights of hyperbole, make them cry, etc. poking juvenile fun at ppl whose appreciation for classical music seems to begin and end with classically trained indie rock musicians, OTOH, that is exactly my style iirc, and besides, there are presently-working women songwriters who are considerably better than JN who don't get mileage because they don't give indie dudes a sci-fi boner, and that's the kinda haterade I can really get down with on an ilm thread or two)

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

So you don't think it's demeaning to lob in an assumption that all of us get turned on and THAT'S why we prefer Joanna Newsom to your own A list of female songwriters..

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes, I think it's the most demeaning thing ever & you should be outraged

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Diane Cluck to thread

danbunny, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

itt j0hn lists female songwriters more worthy of boners than joanna newsom

velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's a random line which in no way communicates with the general landscape of her lyrics. and it has to be said she grew an enormous amount from the debut to ys

Oh, I know that. Like I said, I got over myself and eventually gave her a chance - very glad I did. But, really, thats a line that would have me rolling my eyes no matter who uttered it. But back when she was fist being hyped, you combine quote like that with the pictures of her with elf ears and you can 100% understand why people might not be on board.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

do I count as female y/n, I think I've earned some boners

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd rate your participation in this thread worthy of two and 1/2 boners.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

shemale bonerz

velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Making music is primarily about giving erectile dream fodder to th audience. Some people are just way better at it than others. Ren fair pussy incidentally is clipped close,smells like lilac and often comes with keys to th castle. So go figger

danbunny, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol danbunny I kiss you with my ren faire boner

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm not sure (yet) about the melody of that new streaming song, but the production is A+:super clear and beautiful.
love those gentle trumpets and piano touches near the end.

Zeno, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

steely dan Aja era?

Zeno, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm weirdly anticipating th new records and I TOO gave up on th attendant sparkle huzz of fuckedfulk. Its just her willingness to go on and on and on and on with all those lyrics. It kinda makes me feel safe in a dolphin net kinda feeling. A dolphin net w pillows and bubblehash. And a blanket. And NPR. Mmmmmmmmm

danbunny, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

very diane cluck. Except diane was better. Easy to be around is classic

Emily's Cheese, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wasn't repping for her chops, just saying it looked really hard to play that pattern on the harp and sing a somewhat complicated melody at the same time. I do like Dorothy Ashby tho.

Mark, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd rep for her chops. Technical proficiency is one thing, but she's writing consistently interesting stuff for what is essentially either a diatonic or pentatonic instrument. I could go for some non-waltzes more often, but waltzes do fine.

It's just so hard to keep it all straight
With all the proficiency

Megadeth Panel (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

can i just

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

look isnt everything

Zeno, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Taking bets: last song on this will be a 25 minute autotune solo

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

last track is :

6 - Does Not Suffice 06:44

show me the money

Zeno, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

That is what I get for not using Google.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

does not suffice

Zeno, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

albums not out for weeks and already this thread has given us unicorn tears and scifi boners

joanna don't ever stop proficiently playing yr magical africa harp

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

danbunny, Thursday, 4 February 2010 01:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

"have one on me"

velko, Thursday, 4 February 2010 01:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

i hope this sells 1,000,000 copies so drag city can reissue more bert jansch records

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

also: sort of shocked that joanna newsom is still in her 20s. surprised that anyone is still in their 20s actually.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Altoids for your vagina. (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love how deliberately 70s "Good Intentions..." is.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Thursday, 4 February 2010 05:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't worry. You're likable enough, J0hn.

M.V., Thursday, 4 February 2010 06:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love how deliberately 70s "Good Intentions..." is.

i thought first of mary mccaslin, and then, very strongly, of joni mitchell (it's the phrasing).

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yes, I definitely hear that.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

so glad this will not leak//brings back the old excitement of going to a record shop and picking it up!

tincub, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 02:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

"According to the website what the new album will sound like is a bit of a mystery, since advance copies are not being sent to critics in an effort to avoid a leak of the album.[9] Joanna's last album, Ys, was leaked two months before its original release when it was left unprotected on servers belonging to music review website Pitchfork"

wiki

anybody knows whos the producer?
"good intentions" sounds like something Jim O'rourke could produce and it's surprising to see her move from freak-folk to 70's rock-jazz.
very good track.

Zeno, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 05:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ugh. Tell me all about the "no review copies." I get mine the day it comes out. Boooooo.

Kat Bee, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

No review copies is a good idea. The album will sell fine.

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh, it is. But GIPCo. can't hold me over forever.

Kat Bee, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

blame pitchfork

Zeno, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh man, Ys was one of the records people took from that unprotected P4k folder, right? massive lols

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait, you guys haven't heard the leak of this yet? wow

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hope you listened to all three discs in one sitting.

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

the difficult life of the music critic
xpost

Zeno, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

The album of the year does not leak, it must be purchased.

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

"blame pitchfork"

i tend to do this with everything in my life.

sink overflowing? FUCKING PITCHFORK.
cigarette prices go up? FUCKING PITCHFORK.
12 year old girls with braces saying "I LOVE YOU PANDA" at animal collective shows? FUCKING.PICKFORK. INDEED.

Kat Bee, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

pickfork, pitchfork, same difference.

Kat Bee, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://i48.tinypic.com/28kspbk.png

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

^Totally disagree about the lack of emotional resonance on Ys. *angry face*

Kat Bee, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

New song up. "Kingfisher"

http://www.dragcity.com/

Evan, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

nothing's different from Y's but no complains here

Zeno, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

i like it quite a bit better than the abrasively busy production on Ys. these tracks breathe

ramadaan muhammad asalaamica rasoul allah supana watallah (jk), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/news/37875-joanna-newsom-gets-her-own-scholarly-tribute-book/

I'm buying this.

ksh, Thursday, 11 February 2010 22:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

My general indifference has suddenly become massive appreciation for her comedic timing (starting here and going forward in Sophie's feed):

Interviewing Joanna Newsom yesterday, we sat beside the pool at a Hollywood hotel and the sunshine was so bright we had to move tables.

Which meant moving away from Quentin Tarantino who was busy holding court very loudly about how he wrote Inglourious Basterds

and how he "woke up one day and wrote on a piece of paper 'JUST KILL HIM. JUST FUCKING KILL HIM'"

to which Joanna muttered "damn, he stole my line"

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 17:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 18:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

that book has the potential to be amazing or horrid, probably both in alternation. a kind of scansion of her lyrics wouldn't be so bad. i'd hire nabisco to write that.

academics writing about music is a near-guarantee of total fail.

by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 23:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Joanna Newsom confirmed for Matt Groening ATP Festival

( insert Lisa Simpson joke here )

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not sure how over 2 hours of Joanna Newsom in a triple album format could be ALL GOOD. I find it highly unlikely and already don't LOVE all the new songs, but I'm intrigued to say the least. That said 2 + hours of her singing (generally non stop) is just too much

Emily's Cheese, Thursday, 18 February 2010 03:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

you don't need to listen to it all at once no?

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 18 February 2010 04:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

its really only 40 mins cause youre supposed to listen to each cd simultaneously on three different players

jeff, Thursday, 18 February 2010 04:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

i've seen the new album reviewed in a few places...i thought DC decided against promos?

tincub, Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

there isnt supposed to be any info released before 2/19--they were hella strict about it

max, Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think those are just rewritten drag city press releases.

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 19 February 2010 02:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

This one is from Wire apparently
http://i48.tinypic.com/28kspbk.png

Number None, Friday, 19 February 2010 03:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

John Mulvey's Uncut review here: http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/index.php?blog=6&title=joanna_newsom_have_one_on_me&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Stevie T, Friday, 19 February 2010 12:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

And...it's leaked.

Number None, Friday, 19 February 2010 20:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Did a solid job keeping it off the net for as long as possible, considering the record comes out on Tuesday.

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 20:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's a rickroll.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Friday, 19 February 2010 20:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm not downloading it either way.

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 20:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

at 3 discs, this is the most ambitious rickroll yet

鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 19 February 2010 20:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nah, it's just astley mixed up with the animal crack box to thank ilm for what happened on the mpp thread.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Friday, 19 February 2010 20:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's just astley mixed up with the animal crack box

So sad, but hilarious.

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 20:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

so officially we can talk about this now i guess

its fuckin great

max, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

fans will dig it but no one else will be converted

max, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

unfortunately it doesnt all sound like good intentions paving co., which kind of sucks b/c thats one of my favorite tracks on the album

max, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

is it like ys?

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 19 February 2010 21:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

in what way?

max, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

nothing on it is quite as... committed as ys, though she retains some of that shifting song structure

max, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

and she ditches the string accompaniment.

max, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean this is like the simplest, easiest, most cliched thing to say about it, but it just sounds like shes "maturing as an artist." theres no dramatic shift in tone or sound, just a solidifying of her skills, like shes getting more and more comfortable with what she does.

max, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

and she ditches the string accompaniment.

ah. that's ^^^^^ what i was driving at.

since the string arrangements are the thing i remember most about the last disc -- and i'm still lukewarm on her voice -- not sure how i'll feel about the new album(s).

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 19 February 2010 21:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

there is arguably the least amount of filler in a 3-disc album ive ever heard, too

max, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Man, it'll be a good Tuesday.

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 21:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's actually available today. i just scored the vinyl @ amoeba, sf. guess somebody's worried about leakage

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Friday, 19 February 2010 21:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Probably depends on what stores are in your area. Around here, we just have Newbury Comics and then Target/Best Buy kind of shit.

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 21:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

fans will dig it but no one else will be converted

yeah i couldn't get into her first 2 but the stuff i've heard from this one has me wanting to buy it

i know who the sockpuppet master of ilx is (velko), Friday, 19 February 2010 22:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

first disc so good

abcfsk, Friday, 19 February 2010 22:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

my album of the year already, and i haven't heard a note

― kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:41 PM

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 22:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's my second favorite album of the year, behind the new broken social scene.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 19 February 2010 22:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

You guys are ridiculous.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 February 2010 22:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

it represents a new definition of beauty, obviating all previous definitions and exposing all artists' previous efforts in every genre & discipline as the hollow posturing efforts they actually were - 8.1

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Friday, 19 February 2010 22:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm going to go ahead and call this the album of the decade

tylerw, Friday, 19 February 2010 22:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nah, Grizzly Bear's fifth album is going to be album of the decade.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 February 2010 22:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

i heard joanna newsom guests on that.

tylerw, Friday, 19 February 2010 22:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but it was the collaboration with Fleet Foxes that puts it over the edge.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 February 2010 22:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

"In California" might convert a couple of haters - straight-up gorgeous 70s style folk ballad, nothing "freak"-y about it.

Simon H., Friday, 19 February 2010 22:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

never anything 'freak'-y about her music and less marmite here as well. yeah I think this album could convert some people who think she's about affectations -- Ys should've done that, but shorter songs are easier arguments and van dykes parts heavy arrangements are nowhere in sight

abcfsk, Friday, 19 February 2010 22:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

parks* that is

abcfsk, Friday, 19 February 2010 22:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

You guys are ridiculous.

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0)

Was kidding by quoting my own admittedly ridiculous hyperbole.

it represents a new definition of beauty, obviating all previous definitions and exposing all artists' previous efforts in every genre & discipline as the hollow posturing efforts they actually were - 8.1

― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Friday, February 19, 2010 5:37 PM

That's the title of her next record, iirc.

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 23:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

the album of the year will be by a Texan duo called "l3 kn0t." but don't tell them that, because they're not finished recording it, and if they get all self-conscious they'll screw it up.

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 19 February 2010 23:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://www.l3kn0t.com/

^ replace obvious characters

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 23:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

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Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 23:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ fire yr SEO guy imo

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you that you think that is a great t (ksh), Friday, 19 February 2010 23:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's the title of her next record

When the pawn hits the conflicts he thinks like a king
What he knows throws the blows when he goes to the fight
And he'll win the whole thing 'fore he enters the ring
There's no body to batter when your mind is your might
So when you go solo, you hold your own hand
And remember that depth is the greatest of heights
And if you know where you stand, then you know where to land
And if you fall it won't matter, cuz you'll know that you're right

ecuador_with_a_c, Saturday, 20 February 2010 00:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

^

from memory

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 20 February 2010 00:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is good, so far: more joni mitchell or randy newman (one song i think actually quoted 'davy the fat boy') than previous work. still plenty to hate on if you want to hate on shit, i think she just sung about finding a violin in the garden of eden.

thomp, Saturday, 20 February 2010 14:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

'good intentions paving company' is so awesome: most immediately appealing i've heard her be since the first record, and probably moreso.

thomp, Saturday, 20 February 2010 14:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah good intentions paving co. is the highlight for me.

other faves: baby birch, in california, does not suffice

max, Saturday, 20 February 2010 14:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm not usually one to have a problem with "weird" vocals--big Bjork, Knife, Arthur Russell, David Thomas et al fan--but I admit previously I found Newsom's bubble-and-squeak voice prevented me from accessing what seemed like otherwise careful, compelling music. But I was impressed with "'81," and totally wowed by "Good Intentions Paving Company," which pretty much seems like the best mid-70s sophisticated singer-songwriter track that never was--Joni Mitchell would've been very proud to have created it. So I'm hoping to be "converted" by the album, and glad to hear the vocal quirks may have been traded in for a more relaxed, confident voice.

Soundslike, Saturday, 20 February 2010 14:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

which one is better, this or the Redd Fox one?

Zeno, Saturday, 20 February 2010 16:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's actually available today. i just scored the vinyl @ amoeba, sf. guess somebody's worried about leakage

― If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Friday, 19 February 2010 21:55

So does the vinyl include free mp3 downloads?

Moodles, Saturday, 20 February 2010 16:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Maybe a bit too long"

understatement?

Zeno, Saturday, 20 February 2010 16:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean this is like the simplest, easiest, most cliched thing to say about it, but it just sounds like shes "maturing as an artist." "getting more accessible".

and i like it.

Zeno, Saturday, 20 February 2010 16:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

But I was impressed with "'81," and totally wowed by "Good Intentions Paving Company," which pretty much seems like the best mid-70s sophisticated singer-songwriter track that never was--Joni Mitchell would've been very proud to have created it.

lolwut?

Mordy, Saturday, 20 February 2010 16:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

"But I was impressed with "'81," and totally wowed by "Good Intentions""

yeah, she should make an entire album in a 70's rock-jazz style. it will probably be awesome.

Zeno, Saturday, 20 February 2010 16:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Anyone that says all 2.2 hours of this is flawless/5stars/A plus is just lying to themselves.

Emily's Cheese, Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

sigh

thomp, Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

never anything 'freak'-y about her music

^^^ otm. never let it be said that the reason I don't like joanna newsom is because she is too weird/freaky

MY RUSTIC CHURCHWARDEN PIPE TOBACCOS; WITH RED T-SHIRT OF SURF (Curt1s Stephens), Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

So does the vinyl include free mp3 downloads?

xost: no, and i sort of thought there would be. some nice pics though. but i was digitizing my copy and found a nice piece of fuzz melted onto the vinyl on side 3 and makes it all glitchy for a minute. i have to return it and not sure if i want to just go cd at this point

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

still kind of o_O by her sex lyrics sung in _that_ voice. this was true of last lp, too.

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Following on from the Newsom/Tarantino story above, Sophie's piece:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article7032768.ece

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

xost: no, and i sort of thought there would be. some nice pics though. but i was digitizing my copy and found a nice piece of fuzz melted onto the vinyl on side 3 and makes it all glitchy for a minute. i have to return it and not sure if i want to just go cd at this point

I've got the vinyl on order... What the packaging like? Is it a box set type thing or some gatefold package?

Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Indeed, sitting here by the pool in Hollywood, where she orders Sazerac cocktails

wkiw

i know who the sockpuppet master of ilx is (velko), Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

"still plenty to hate on if you want to hate on shit, i think she just sung about finding a violin in the garden of eden."

nah, it happens all the time

Zeno, Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Anyone that says all 2.2 hours of this is flawless/5stars/A plus is just lying to themselves.

― Emily's Cheese, Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:14 PM

better to not listen to it then? of all the dumb things to say at this stage

abcfsk, Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

breaking news triple LP not completely perfect from front to back TURN ON THE SIRENS

ciderpress, Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

well, lots of acts have stuff to release as a triple album. 99.9% of them will cut it down to a maximum double album, and they have very good reasons to do that.

i guess she really thinks everything is worthwhile to put on the record.
future will tell if she's right.

Zeno, Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

"unfortunately it doesnt all sound like good intentions paving co"

Soft As Chalk, in a way

Zeno, Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

xost: no, and i sort of thought there would be. some nice pics though. but i was digitizing my copy and found a nice piece of fuzz melted onto the vinyl on side 3 and makes it all glitchy for a minute. i have to return it and not sure if i want to just go cd at this point

I've got the vinyl on order... What the packaging like? Is it a box set type thing or some gatefold package?

M.V., Saturday, 20 February 2010 20:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

M.V., Saturday, 20 February 2010 20:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

M.V., Saturday, 20 February 2010 20:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm not usually one to have a problem with "weird" vocals--big Bjork, Knife, Arthur Russell, David Thomas et al fan- -Soundslike

Yeah I don't have a problem with Bjork or Arthur Russell's vocals (I haven't heard Knife or David Thomas to my knowledge), but I only have a few favorites of both of them that I only pay attention to. I don't think Johanna is bad and I prefer her sound to most pitchfork music (god I hate pitchfork music), but I have yet to find a single Newsom song I would listen to repeatedly or put on a mix cd.

Bjork's Venus as a Boy, Hyperballad, Human Behavior, Joga, Triumph of Heart.. and Arthur Russell's Home Away From Home, You and Me Both, That's Us/Wild Combination, You and Me Both.. seem so much more engaging than anything Newsom has done. I'm not really feeling it with Johanna Newsom. Too flowery

CaptainLorax, Saturday, 20 February 2010 21:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

*A Little Lost

CaptainLorax, Saturday, 20 February 2010 21:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Worth pointing out that triple album or no, it's still just 18 songs, so hardly some massive clearing-house. First album had short songs. Second album had long songs. Third album has long and short songs. Makes sense to me.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 February 2010 05:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wanted to like this album, obviously. But I don't. :(

Turangalila, Sunday, 21 February 2010 06:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

So far (only listened to the first disc) I'm loving every minute--it scratches a certain musical itch for me, I guess. Not one I need fulfilled too often, but this gets at it. Each (longer) song definitely has enough ideas for a good full length album, which could be a knock against it--I don't disagree that it could seem "flowery". But it avoids feeling overwrought through sheer skill and quality--I'm almost always one for minimalism over the baroque, shorter over longer, pithy over wordy, but this overcomes all of those predispositions, which impresses me still further.

Soundslike, Sunday, 21 February 2010 07:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Great record(s). Probably better that the new Broken Social Scene. :-)

Australia, the world's suburb (SeekAltRoute), Sunday, 21 February 2010 09:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

The arrangements are, thus far (I'm also only one disc in), already way more interesting than those on Ys.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 21 February 2010 10:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

There's just way more space and dynamics. Harp + orchestra can grow a bit dull and colorless over 50 minutes.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 21 February 2010 10:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

i wonder how much of the Triple Album thing is a marketing gimmick.
if it is - it works fine.

Zeno, Sunday, 21 February 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

in many ways, this record vs Y's is like comparing Wee Tam & The Big Huge with Hangman's Beautiful Daughter:

a psych folk classic turned in the next record into something more accessible and simple, in a longer format, with some boring, repetetive-melody fillers and still some excellent stuff as well.

Zeno, Sunday, 21 February 2010 12:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

this has leaked like Ronald Reagans diaper

danbunny, Sunday, 21 February 2010 15:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Any info on who recorded this and where?

bowl of drawn butter (Eazy), Sunday, 21 February 2010 16:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

it was recorded by Bibbleloo Dibbleodid,but do not speak his name or you will turn into a bale of straw.It was recorded at the foot of Auriuga by one of the Pleiades,possibly Maia.

danbunny, Sunday, 21 February 2010 16:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

it was recorded all over the place by five people: t j doherty, noah georgeson, ryan francesconi, dana gumbiner and neal morgan - @ radiostar in weed; at fantasy (berkeley), sear sound (ny); king sound & pictures(laurel canyon); cedar house (sea-town); station to station (grass valley).
mixed by noah g (laurel canyon); jim O'Rourke @ magnet (Japan).
mastering by steve rooke @ Abbey Road Studios

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 21 February 2010 16:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thanks thanks

bowl of drawn butter (Eazy), Sunday, 21 February 2010 21:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wish I liked this album half as much as everyone else.
Most of these new songs just aren't very good, imo. None of the (plentiful on Ys) revelatory climactic resolutions are there, save for a couple of songs (which sounded 1000x more affecting live anyway). Obviously a lot of thought & work has been put into this album, but I think the sparser arrangements/deliberate restraint only help reveal how brittle and deceitfully noneventful most of this whole thing really is.

Turangalila, Monday, 22 February 2010 04:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

A lot of the songs are actually musically really repetitive. It's seriously ten minutes of her doing variations on the same melody line. Yes it breathes more than Ys and she's (IMO) singing much better, and her lyrics and storytelling is pretty great, but musically and chordally these songs really drag and don't really do that much. Even when they crescendo they crescendo on the same chord progression and generally peter out on the same one too. It's not as EXHAUSTING as Ys, but it's also nowhere near as interesting. That said I find it infinitely more listenable but still something I'd never see myself reaching for much

Emily's Cheese, Monday, 22 February 2010 05:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 February 2010 05:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

wow we got that wrapped up, what, 40 hours after it leaked?

you instant let-me-hold-forth guys ever take yr time with anything?

sean gramophone, Monday, 22 February 2010 06:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Fuck, I like "Good Intentions Paving Company." I think it could be a little shorter (around 4:00 it takes some of my breath away, but then there's still 3 minutes to go and it's a let-down waiting for it to end), but it's so pretty at moments that it even makes me forget how annoying her voice is. Particularly what she does at, "But I fell for you, honey, as easy as falling asleep," and, "It had a nice a ring to it / When the old opera house rang / So with a song I'm all ran / Signed, sealed, delivered I sang."

Mordy, Monday, 22 February 2010 08:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

brb sean gramophone, questioning my worth as a human being

Turangalila, Monday, 22 February 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

you instant let-me-hold-forth guys ever take yr time with anything?

― sean gramophone, Monday, February 22, 2010 1:14 AM Bookmark

That's what she said.

pithfork (Hurting 2), Monday, 22 February 2010 13:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm waiting for the 2020 quadruple "deluxe edition" with previously unreleased bonus tracks.

Zeno, Monday, 22 February 2010 13:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

The CD packaging is really cool. Its like a flip open (side spine) actual "box" a little under half an inch deep, then each disc is in its own sleeve and a pretty hefty book of liner notes and lyrics. The pictures on the sleeve covers and the lyric book certainly back up her emphasizing the "hot" Joanna Newsom. Black and white photos of her lounging on a chair wearing what sort of looks like a bathing suit with overall type straps over the shoulders.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is the first time I'll be going to the record store the day of release in a while!

ksh, Monday, 22 February 2010 22:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

The store I stopped by this afternoon just happened to have it out already!

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

So anyone able to buy copies of this in Austin, TX yet?

Moodles, Monday, 22 February 2010 22:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

i saw them at end of an ear on saturday

city worker, Monday, 22 February 2010 22:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wish more people respected the release date for the album of the year. Respect, respect!

ksh, Monday, 22 February 2010 22:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

i wonder if it will sound different if i wait til tomorrow to illegally download it

idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thieves!

ksh, Monday, 22 February 2010 23:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Why wait until tomorrow when you can do that today?

Australia, the world's suburb (SeekAltRoute), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Have One On Me = I give you permission to download my record illegally

i know who the sockpuppet master of ilx is (velko), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

"... pretty hefty book of liner notes and lyrics"

rilly? the vinyl box has no notes, just lyrics and recording info.

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 00:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Black and white photos of her lounging on a chair wearing what sort of looks like a bathing suit with overall type straps over the shoulders.

wait--i think you're confusing this with the new robert wyatt record.

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 00:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

velko otm

idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 01:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Analog recording + orchestra + 2 hours of music + cost of harp upkeep. Probably cost at least 50k to make. $25 for three vinyls.

Megadeth Panel (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 02:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

+ couture!

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 02:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha

Turangalila, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 02:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ Likely comp'd, or discounted. At least, I hope so.

Megadeth Panel (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 02:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

rilly? the vinyl box has no notes, just lyrics and recording info.

You are correct, I jumped the gun. Its all lyrics and recording info, just seemed like there had to be more to it than that. I forget how many words she crams into songs.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 03:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Andy Samberg 9.2!!!!!

Emily's Cheese, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 06:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thing is, "Ys" had long songs, but it was 1 CD, so was digestible.

This is 3 CDs of long (and some not so long, heck one's short!) songs.

I haven't attempted it yet!

Mark G, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 09:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Mere hours before the record store opens.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 13:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

i wish drag city would man the fuck up and let their stuff stream on lala or whatever

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 14:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

So anyone able to buy copies of this in Austin, TX yet?

― Moodles, Monday, February 22, 2010 4:33 PM (Yesterday)

i saw them at end of an ear on saturday

― city worker, Monday, February 22, 2010 4:38 PM (Yesterday)

I saw it there on Friday afternoon -- politely inquired that I didn't think it had been released yet, and they replied that they had heard otherwise from Drag City, and put it onto the shelves that day, so who knows...

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 14:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I left all the copies there for you fans, btw.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 14:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

The pictures on the sleeve covers and the lyric book certainly back up her emphasizing the "hot" Joanna Newsom. Black and white photos of her lounging on a chair wearing what sort of looks like a bathing suit with overall type straps over the shoulders.

This is sad, but was due to happen sooner or later, I suppose. Gotta inject something new into her image, it'd be impossible to keep up with the "Hipster Renaissance Fair" look of Ys forever...

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 14:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

i am playing hard to get and waiting til i can pick this up next week before listening, but the pitchfork review of it is great, so clear and devoid of cliche

Norman Mail (schlump), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is sad,

why?

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Visions of Joanna

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

i wish drag city would man the fuck up and let their stuff stream on lala or whatever

or emusic, even! I NEED THIS NEW TRIPLE-DISC FROM JOANNA NEWSOM.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is sad,

why?

― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:43 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

innocent fairy prince sullied & sexualised by music business is certainly a trope on JN messageboards

Norman Mail (schlump), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Slightly off-topic, but I would suggest, with the best intentions, that naming shops that are perhaps selling things early is not always going to do them a good turn.

I know of specific instances where blog posts and message board chat has landed local independents round here in minor bother on such fronts.

Not that any shops would do such things, of course. Also, I genuinely don't know the specifics of the release date and Drag City and US indies communications in this case. It's more of a general point that I'm trying to raise.

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

so apparently after going massively out of the way to make sure it didn't leak they're releasing it ten days later in europe?

thomp, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 16:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

no wait just a week i suck at math

still kinda stupid imo

thomp, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 16:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

These CDs do not want to come out of the paper sleeves easily.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 16:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

"On A Bad Day" -- thought that was a Daniel Powter cover for a moment

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

These CDs do not want to come out of the paper sleeves easily.

Take this as a sign, turn away before it is too late...

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

C -

thomp, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Had to tag the first and third disc myself. iTunes was able to pull in the art. Genre: harpcore

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

are you liveblogging now

thomp, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh: Listening to Joanna Newsom's new album so I don't have to!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

j/k, I would love to see a liveblog of this though.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

10:35 a.m., Feb. 23: The tears have begun to spill from my eyes as the wonder and magic envelops my soul

tylerw, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

10:36 a.m. Feb 23: What's that tapping at the window? It looks like a unicorn!

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

10:37 a.m., Feb. 23: Riding unicorn through clouds

tylerw, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

D

thomp, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

10:40 a.m., Feb. 23: Purchase Joanna Newsom's new album Have One On Me

tylerw, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

10:41 am Feb 23: *dies and goes to heaven*

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Seriously lolling over here guys, way to go!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

10:37 a.m., Feb. 23: Riding unicorn through clouds

― tylerw, Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:38 PM

massive lols

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

These CDs do not want to come out of the paper sleeves easily.

paper/cardboard sleeves are a scourge. i hate that trend in packaging so damn much

xpost

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

None of the stores near my office (mostly big boxes) have this yet. ;_;

Moodles, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jackrabbits is really beautiful and sad.

Zeno, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 18:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yes, love her vocal on that one. I kind of see what people were saying upthread about the repetitive melodies but obviously this is going to take a while to unpack fully.

Number None, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 18:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

so is k$h not posting because he's in a state of awe and ecstasy, or because he's super disappointed?

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 18:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

"the repetitive melodies" -
yeah,those lazy one line melodies are always boring...though lots of people love Nick Drake so i guess i'm in the minority here..

xpost

Zeno, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 18:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

kind of confused by this claim of yrs tbh

thomp, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 18:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wow, Popmatters trashed the fuck out of this. 4/10.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's Popmatters . . .

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

ooo. those ellipses look ominous.

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

Popmatters isn't awful. I really like their in-depth articles actually, plus I like their book and comics coverage. The reviews are hit and miss, but they do have some great writers (ILM's own Adrien Begrand - their fantastic metal writer).

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Popmatters isn't awful, but I spent a good deal of time over the past few months going through some of their features--mostly the ones that talk about general cultural trends--and I didn't think many of them were very good. I'm interested in reading some of Adrien's metal writing though . . . I'll have to check it out later.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

who's hoomin' who?

julio caeser soze (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's Popmatters . . .

It's PopMatters, thank you.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Bored New World: How the Zach Braff Prototype Is Slowly Killing American Music

Entire movies are soundtracked by the supposedly self-aware acoustic stylings of Joe Latte.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol, the comments on that PopMatters review are almost indistinguishable from the fanboy comments on the Edge's Killzone 2 review from last year. http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/killzone-2-the-edge-verdict

I'm not linking to it; it doesn't deserve to be linked to. Let's just say Killzone 2 got a 7...and as a frame of reference, Let's Tap for the Wii got an 8. As we said, we're not about to question if there are legitimate reasons, and we're well aware of the often drastic differences in review policy from one publication to the next. But this is nothing more than a blatant attempt at attention, and if it were a strict editorial that doesn't really have any impact on the consumer, we wouldn't blink an eye. But this is assigning a numerical value to a game that basically says, "it's good, but there are better titles out there for your money." This...is...a...lie. That's right, a lie. Like it or not, opinions exist on a sliding scale, and we're not saying everyone is going to enjoy KZ2, but this review is akin to saying something similar about "The Godfather II" or "Citizen Kane." We all know that Guerilla's title is one of the best FPSs ever made; anyone who knows this industry and has a functioning brain will admit to this. They may not like it, but they will admit to its quality. This is what good reviewers do.

This record may have faults, but to give it a 4/10 is just ridiculous. There’s a difference between subjectivity and an obstinate insistence on being a part of the anti-hype. To say that this record is anything less than an astonishing achievement just means that you weren’t paying any attention. Clearly, you sat down and listened all in one fell swoop, which isn’t how she presented it. This isn’t an entree - it’s an amuse bouche, an appetizer, a fish course, a pasta, a meat, a dessert and an aperitif. If you want a quick bite at Mickey D’s, plenty of other artists can give you that.

They don't lie to the consumer to get some sort of underground "elite cred."

im thinking popmatters just wants the publicity. probably only listened through once.

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Travelocity Gnome rates this album a perfect 11 out of 10 Gnomish Tunics and the shill at Pitchfork has 9.2 chubby for this album, so take that and stroke it PopMatters!!!

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

(This isn't really the thread for this, but Jason Gross's essay for the The Best Music Scribing Awards 2009 was great.)

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

popmatters review should have just stuck to "its too long" without dragging billy corgan into the mess

max, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

between the p4k + popmatters reviews, the p4k one is the one that sounds like the author didn't spend a lot of time with the album.

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

im thinking popmatters just wants the publicity. probably only listened through once.

oh so thats why pop websites review music!

80085 (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

they both sound like they took a lot of time with the record(s)? the popmatters guy is frustrated that its long and sounds unfocused--i think this is a fair criticism--whereas mark enjoys its length and doesnt find it unfocused

max, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

from p4k review

One significant difference between Newsom and Mitchell is that the latter, especially early in her career, was writing songs that would sound good on the radio. For better or worse, Newsom is not a pop singer-- that's just not what she does. So I don't want to overstate this record's accessibility.

This is the primary reason I can't love Newsom no matter how many Mitchell comparisons she gets. (nb Joni is my favorite artist of all time.)

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

To say that this record is anything less than an astonishing achievement just means that you weren’t paying any attention.

sigh

Turangalila, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

PAY ATTENTION.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

What?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Haha, it's just hilarious how re: this album many people react as if you have to *study* it as if it were molecular neuroscience before even considering having any opinions about it.

Turangalila, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

To say that this record is anything less than an astonishing achievement just means that you weren’t paying any attention.

That was me, btw.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

jk

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wonder how dumping Bill Callahan for Andy Samberg will affect the Newsom aesthetic?

Brio, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

whereas mark enjoys its length and doesnt find it unfocused

I didn't get this impression from the Pfork review. He pretty much said that he finds the length challenging for a traditional, start-to-finish listen, but has enjoyed coming and going from the album as he pleases, picking up in a different spot each time he puts it on the stereo. And that's not a good *album*, that's a set of songs by the same artist that are pleasing in small, random doses, basically as if they were on an iPod Shuffle.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

omg in re: popmatters comments

You will live to regret this review. Your name and reputation are forever etched in history now, and generations will read this review in incredulous wonder at the man who rated this enduring work of art a 40/100. It is because of reviews and reviewers like you that I started my own blog 2 weeks ago. But no anger here - just pity.

Comment by ***** — February 23, 2010 @ 10:02 am

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

(I wrote that one too.)

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

(Still haven't listened to the record.)

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

joanna peesom

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Do you need help getting it out of the paper sleeve?

xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

joanna peesom

― (uh oh I'm having a fantasy)

Nice juxtaposition of username and corresponding post.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Sistine Chapel. Guernica. Have One On Me.

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

pitchfork gave this cd a “9.2”

‘nuff said.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Makes a fella glad he decided to start writing for PM again. Probably will never hear this album, keeping my Joanna Newsom non-streak alive.

T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Do you need help getting it out of the paper sleeve?

man, those sleeves are a pain

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Comments in a Dommy P Tori Amos review >>>> these ones.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

only a sexist would give this album a bad review

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Luckiliy pitchfork sees the genius of this album and awarded it with a 9.2. Suck on that !

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

It is easy to say that Tusk, and Sandinista are masterpieces, everybody knows that. But at the time, it divided critics, they called it too big. And that’s what this guy is saying overall. There is no filler, everything is in its place, and the 3 disc thing is a way to help people to listen to it the right way!

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol i wanted to actually listen to this album and like it but now i'm not so sure

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

People only cite Pitchfork, but this album has received already 3 perfect scores, and the rest of them rated near perfect (4 stars or 4.5) based on more than 15 reviews. This is the lowest review so far, and unless you count Rolling Stone, it will be the only negative one.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

did she record this with albini?

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

No. O'Rourke mixed though.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Still my favorite:

How dare the reviewer not worship at the feet of Her Squeakiness!!! How dare the reviewer not find her triple disc opus enchanting and mesmerizing!!! She plays a harp! A harp!!! The greatness inherent in that should be readily apparent to anyone with ears!! Elf music lives forever! FTW!!! The Travelocity Gnome rates this album a perfect 11 out of 10 Gnomish Tunics and the shill at Pitchfork has 9.2 chubby for this album, so take that and stroke it PopMatters!!! Exclamation points for all things Joanna!!!!!!!!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=joanna+newsom

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://twitter.com/erik_davis/status/9540916552

Loved his piece on Ys.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Twitter:

Pauliwhirl: There's this one with guitar, Bulgarian tambura, banjo, kora, and THREE HARPS OVERLAID. FUCK YES, JOANNA NEWSOM.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Haven't read this yet, but someone linked to it on Twitter: http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/02/23/joanna-newsom-interview-have-one-on-me/

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

# WAITING FOR JOANNA NEWSOM TO LEAK. 11:41 AM Feb 19th via web

# AHHHHHHH DOWNLOAD FASTER 1:31 PM Feb 19th via web

# OMG OMG JOANNA NEWSOM. 8:32 PM Feb 19th via web

# YES. YES, JOANNA NEWSOM. OMG YOU ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN FRAT PARTY. 9:14 PM Feb 19th via web

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

innocent fairy prince sullied & sexualised by music business is certainly a trope on JN messageboards

she's been singing about sex (albeit: weirdly) since her first album!

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Anyone taking bets as to whether she'll be on a Twilight soundtrack eventually?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

who cares?

am liking this look, maybe too much side boob?

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

From the review ksh just linked -- is this an indirect response to J0hn D.'s comment, upthread?

EW: Some people do look at a song as a chore if it’s over 10 minutes. They might say, “This is good, but I have to warn you—it’s ten minutes long and has a harp.”

JN: (laughs) Yeah, I understand that, but of course when a person writes music—I guess this isn’t the case with some death metal music where the intention is slightly different—but in general I feel when someone’s writing something it’s because it sounds good to them. Their instinct is to do what sounds pretty, and sounds good, and to me that’s what I do. So obviously when I hear it I go, “good job, self, you’ve made a song that sounded the way you want it to sound.” And then of course there’s not that many people who feel the same way about it. But there’s enough.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

who cares?

You will be.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

For reference, J0hn's comment:

yeah if I'm listening to 13-minute epic songs in a rock/pop mode they better have a shredding solo and some wicked distortion or I want my money back, that is just how I break it down to an extent

xpost to myself

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

[q]who cares?

You will be.

[/q]

weird choice of... verb?

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

also drag city is gonna sell a lot of this album--by 2010 standards anyway.

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Emphasis on the "drag" for this long-ass album, amirite?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

D+

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll be here all week!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

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ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

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I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't care why he's gone or what his deal is - I demand the presence of L0u1s Jagg3r on this thread

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

seconded

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

does anyone know any women that tolerate Ms. Newsome?

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

my chick likes her

max, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

I will have to endure a long spiel about "the artistry" of this album before I decide not to listen to it.

Captain Ahab, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't you mean the ARRRRRRRRRRR-tistry, Ahab?

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

does anyone know any women that tolerate Ms. Newsome?

I hear there's one, evidently somebody who dates ilxor.com user "max"

other than that, no

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think she probably tolerates herself, she seems fairly self-confident

max, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

friend of mine met his now-wife at a joanna newsom concert. true story.

tylerw, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

it is true that a lot of women reserve a special level of distaste for her. though maybe that's just "a lot of _people_"??

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've convinced every girlfriend I've had since her debut that she is a goddess (to the point that they become simultaneously jealous/in love themselves)

Space Is The Place, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Most of the women I know like her more than I do.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

"I'm leaving you."
"Why?"
"I, umm...you know what? I'm in love with that singer you love so much."
"Joanna Newsome?"
"Yeah, Joanna Newsome. I love her too much to be with you any more. You understand, right?"
"Yeah! Absolutely!"
"Cool. I sent Joanna Newsome the money I owe you, too, OK?"
"Of course!"
"You're the best. See you at the Joanna Newsome show next fall?"
"See you there!"
scene

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

applause

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah she seems to have a pretty big fanbase among 20-something women. Not sure where this "women hate her" thing comes from.

Ari (whenuweremine), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

30-something women?

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Uh-oh

Moodles, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

591 notes

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Who is "joanna fucking newsom" and is there also a "joanna staying-pure-until-marriage newsom" out there?

xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

what a horribly formed "joke"

HIDEREggerian Philosophy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

tumblrs very much in character

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love how ksh consistently & mercilessly equates volume with import

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

He must consider Robert Pollard to be the most consistently awesome songwriter ever!

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love how ksh consistently & mercilessly equates volume with import

― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.)

Explain?

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh, I see.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

her titties ain't that big

KOOL-AID MAN, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

are you talking about Joanna Newsom or the hipster puppy (you sick fuck)?

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

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This is me saying, "wow, there are a lot of people talking about this (many of whom, of course, are just zinging)," not "this is important."

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

she's been singing about sex (albeit: weirdly) since her first album!

― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:28 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

oh for sure!, but there's a cultish sect perturbed by her departing from the insular world they imagined her in. i recall reading up on her australian shows and just about getting some idea of a setlist in between fans reassuring one another that she was wearing her hair down, wasn't wearing any high-fashion clothes or hotpants, etc etc. i wrote & deleted a long post cataloguing some of these insane JN-fan insecurities awhile ago, it's kinda hard to preserve anonymity. they're particularly frenzied re: baby birch.

Norman Mail (schlump), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

OMG SHE HAS HER HAIR UP

REAL ELVES DON'T PUT THEIR HAIR UP

SHE ISN'T A PIXIE, SHE IS A SELLOUT

FUCK YOU JOANNA NEWSOM, BROUGHT TO YOU BY ALBERTO V.05

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

We sit here stranded, though we're all doin' our best to deny it

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is the most gorgeous thing I've heard in a really long time

jesus. what the hell.

gman59, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

If I'm hyperbolic when talking about Newsom's music--and I know that, at times, I am--it's because I really appreciate what she's doing, I really like her first two records, and I'm looking forward to listening to the new one soon. She's one of my favorite artists. But I'm not claiming that she's objectively the "greatest artist" or something, and I'm not claiming that other people are incorrect in their distaste for her.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

why haven't you listened to the new one yet

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

so, like, what's goin' on here?

your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

*straightens collar*

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

ah, nothing

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

no anger here - just pity

tylerw, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

yay!

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh, I don't understand -- why did you rush out to buy the new album from one of your favorite artists this morning, but you haven't bothered to listen to it now that it's actually in your hands?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

his hands aren't a cd player

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

not all of us can come from the future, ilxor

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

he loaded the CD already!

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Had to tag the first and third disc myself. iTunes was able to pull in the art. Genre: harpcore

― ksh, Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:18 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

I take that back

welcome from the future, ksh CDplayerhands

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

he's waiting for the sun to set over the mountains of mordor iirc

tylerw, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Where is Sick Mouthy when we need him around to champion the virtues of traditional CD players and high-quality sound systems vs. cheap laptop speakers? Woe unto ksh... he knows not what his ears are missing.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

(They are missing three-part harpmonies (i.e., harp-harmonies), apparently.)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

so, like, what's goin' on here?

― your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic)

THE LORD HAS HEARD MY PRAYER

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

I bought it, imported it, and got caught up in other things; I'm still going to listen to it today.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

you hate joanna newsome, don't you

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

TIP: click "play" in iTunes and you can listen to it while you post!

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

guys

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm gonna listen to Ys, right now

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

all the way through

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I sent word to JN through a mutual friend that ksh had dissed her and devoted most of 2/23/10 to pointless non-HOOM activities

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

she cried fwiw and has renounced music

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh is, clearly, not having one on her.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

harpcore

see if the itunes defaults consistently applied such great genre tags to my mp3s i might let it do its work. but typically it's more like "indie/alternative" if i pop in john fahey or "blues" when i pop in tabu ley rochereau ... or the dreaded "world" tag.

j0hn check the merle haggard thread ok?

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is all a great shame, because I may be about to join her cohort

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

the milk in his eyes...crocodile tears xpost

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

what a horribly formed "joke"

― HIDEREggerian Philosophy (Whiney G. Weingarten)

If you liked that one, you'll love this Twitter blog I found the other day, 1000 record reviews in a year or some shit...

Darn... forgot the name of it.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's called 1000 Times Yes

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

also godspeed LJ

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Godspeed You Black Jaggemperor!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

what a horribly formed "joke"

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

what a horribly formed "post"

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I sent word to JN through a mutual friend that ksh had dissed her and devoted most of 2/23/10 to pointless non-HOOM activities

― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.)

Amazing.

see if the itunes defaults consistently applied such great genre tags to my mp3s i might let it do its work.

Thanks! I made up "harpcore" myself. (iTunes couldn't name two of the discs, and I think it put the other one under alternative or something.)

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

yo i just wanna pop into this harp dingbat thread and say what up to my mellow lou1s j@gger, keep it crackulatin in the u-kayzy for swayze.

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

hey matt, hey guys - only gonna post on impt threads until June

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n)

Great, great display name.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n),

Matt you are a god among us

ksh jn is really pissed at you about this not listening stuff, you better call her stat

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

CALL HER ON THE UNICORN PHONE

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

from now on JN shall be known as "Stat"

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Stat Newsome, the world's greatest snooker player, dominating the competition with her fabled unicorn cue

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

(I used to work with a dude whose initials are JN who recently started a Facebook group talking about how Scott Brown had betrayed Republicans by voting to allow debate on the Democrats' jobs bill go forward so large chunks of this thread are very disorienting to me until I remember we're talking about everyone's favorite squawking fae)

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh jn is really pissed at you about this not listening stuff, you better call her stat

― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.)

Called her ten minutes ago to do damage control; she'll keep making music as long as HOOM remains my album of the year, whether I've listened to it or not.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

901 posts and no big HOOM aka jokes?

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

would you hit play already

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Still hoping for a ksh liveblog.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

you're making unicorns cry

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

unicorns dandelions and daffodils
baleen whales and wailing krill
slipping slenderly slotted spoons
falling into waiting wombs

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

What a disaster for unicorns.

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

UOI'mHAF, are those lyrics for real? he he

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

jesus ilxor i seriously thought you had made a joke URL there...

wow...what does this ethereal hussy do to otherwise rational dongs?

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

that blog post is about a dude who hates joanna newsom, and a dude who is ashamed of liking her

max, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

hang on wait this is the third track

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

surprise in both directions

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

wow...what does this ethereal hussy do to otherwise rational dongs?

Huge lol in the office, gawwwd!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Length of Symphonies
Symphonies grew out of opera overtures, and the earliest are 8-10 minutes long. By the time of Haydn and Mozart in the late 18th century they ran 20-30 minutes. Beethoven expanded the size; his shortest are about 25 minutes, but his 3rd runs 55 minutes and his 9th runs 70 minutes. The length of CDs was supposedly picked by a record-company executive who said, "Make it long enough to fit Beethoven's Ninth." The next generation (Schubert, Mendelssohn, Schumann) were mostly shorter again (about 35 minutes), but Berlioz's Symphonie fantastique runs 50 minutes. Most late 19th century symphonies (Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak) run 40-50 minutes, but other composers (Bruckner, Mahler) run longer. Mahler's 3rd runs about 2 hours and is, I think, in the Guinness Book of World Records. After Mahler, most symphonies were much shorter. Prokofiev's 1st "Classical" is only 12 minutes. Most 20th century symphonies are 20-30 minutes, though others are 40-45 and a few run as long as 70 minutes.

M.V., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

louis you are completely making my day just by being you and i thank you. also, I know jn was quoted a few minutes ago as having said that she is completely over ksh and is now firmly in the lj admiration society so you're in like flynn my man, congratulation

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

RIP ksh

ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

serious real talk here for a second: Ys should have been indexed, marketed and released as one 50-minute song

further serious real talk: if I ever rubbished this album without listening to it, I take that back. it's pretty good. I think it works because it seems so improvised, so unpredictable...it's a musical journey through one person's fresh inspiration, and I dig that. the strings may occasionally threaten to veer the wrong side of Jean-Pierre Jeunet but they're kept in sufficient check, and deployed with sufficient craft, to be on the whole a boon.

it's not world-ending brilliance, but I like it and am pleased I gave over time to listen to it.

triple-albums suck tho

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

lj have you heard the new cathedral

that shit is off the chain

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

dude I am a *huge* fan of Chrome Hoof which is the Smee brothers' disco-metal side-project - given the quality of that, it's a pretty surefire bet I'll dig Cathedral, so yeah I'll be on that just as soon as Joanna lets me outta the bedroom

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

There are no new cathedrals.

M.V., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

joanna peesom

― (uh oh I'm having a fantasy)

Lou1s, can you kindly confirm/deny fantasy's fantasy for us?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

ever wondered why it's called "sawdust & diamonds"?

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

No, but I have wondered about "the milk-eyed mender"...

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

nights in get pretty wild when you're knocking socks with semi-sylvan indie harpists

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

"tastes like unicorn tears"

MY RUSTIC CHURCHWARDEN PIPE TOBACCOS; WITH RED T-SHIRT OF SURF (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

heavens, what luck! she's in musth!

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

looooooouis!

(aka something good came out of this godforsaken thread)

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

thread is totally classic

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

gotta wade thru too many ilxor posts and ksh (i'm kidding! no maybe i'm not!) posts

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

the next artist on my iTunes is Jobriath, which feels quite apt somehow

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Joanna Poosom

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

newsome/jobraith/virgin prunes trifecta of emoting doom

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

gotta wade thru too many ilxor posts and ksh (i'm kidding! no maybe i'm not!) posts

Nothing to say except you should've known this would get a reply from me. Which doesn't mean I have anything particularly useful to say (I don't), just that I'm giving you one more post to wade through. ;-)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

The pictures in the liner notes might as well be from a Calvin Klein ad. And sweet jesus I had no idea her legs were so ridiculously long.

I'm impressed with the album after one listen. Reining in her voice and the overwrought/melodramatic moments of Ys plays to her advantage, in my opinion. She also sounds more confident and relaxed, which in turn has the songs breathing accordingly.

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

album of the decade

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 23:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

magna carta -> gutenburg -> HOOM

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

too bad she couldn't have found space on this triple-disc to duet with ex-hold steady keyboardist, Fancy von Mustache.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jobriath -> Mika -> Cathedral

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

What does HOOM stand for?
Holy Order of MANS (Monastic New Age group most of whose members converted to Eastern Orthodoxy)

This definition appears very rarely and is found in the following Acronym Finder categories:

* Organizations, NGOs, schools, universities, etc.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Holy Order of MANS

if this revelation does not result in 1p3 feline photoshopping bacchanale I am asking for my money back

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

I Love Joanna Newsom

Read true personal stories, chat & get advice, support and help from a group of 7 people who all say 'I Love Joanna Newsom'

http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Love-Joanna-Newsom/183429

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

M.V., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 01:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

...just finished listening to HOOM...my immediate impressions are varied. I don't think it's as sonically ambitious or melodically satisfying as Ys/but there are some stunning moments on this record. The songs that were previewed by Drag City, all stand-out in addition to Baby Birch, and the remarkable Go Long. Again, Newsom's lyrics shine throughout, and she continues her naturalist focus.

tincub, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 01:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

"all stand-out in addition to Baby Birch, and the remarkable Go Long"

funny. those are the "repetetive, boring one-line-melody" songs that i talked about before, but it seems lots of people like them.

Zeno, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 01:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I find this far more melodically rich than Ys, but perhaps that is a casualty of my regarding Ys with extreme suspicion and suspended boredom for so long. I don't know.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

ok this is streaming on npr for the curious

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

good intentions paving and jackrabbit are nice...she's toned down the voice a lot which i guess jibes with what i read in the interview way upthread?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm gonna buy this and enjoy it more than ksh

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

ok this is streaming on npr for the curious masochistic

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

her tryouts for the somewhat other music styles than before are the best songs on the record.
(paving company,jackrabbits,soft as chalk..)

Zeno, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes am i imagining things or is there no harp on some tracks?

by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

iirc there is no harp on some tracks

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Listening momentarily.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh man, here we go. Be back in two hours.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

make sure to take a bathroom break

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

pack a sandwitch

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Update @ about 10 minutes in: there's no way I'm going to listen to all two hours of this straight through.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Believe me, I'm laughing at myself.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha. he's been broken in under 10 minutes.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

not enough high-register warbling vocals, eh?

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hear a chorus of ilxors mocking every note, and I'm waiting for a stampede of unicorns to break down the wall in front of me and smash into my computer.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm mocking now, and i haven't even heard a note

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

She's singing about daddy longlegs and I can't stop laughing. I hate all of you.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

:-)

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Man, I'm going to have to listen to this on a day off from ILM. I just can't concentrate. Turning on Dinosaur Jr.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Still my album of the year though, no lie.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh man, "'81" is gorgeous.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

dude

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Que, find another thread to troll, I'm livebloggin'

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

i thought you were listening to Dinosaur

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

What's with the livefroggin'?

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

thinking about getting this record. waiting to see how the liveblogging goes though.

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

guess he fell asleep

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just made it to disc two, and so far I agree with what max said upthread:

i mean this is like the simplest, easiest, most cliched thing to say about it, but it just sounds like shes "maturing as an artist." theres no dramatic shift in tone or sound, just a solidifying of her skills, like shes getting more and more comfortable with what she does.

― max

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

8:40 p.m., Feb. 23: Fell asleep listening to disc 2 of HOOM. Dreamed dreams of ethereal hussies, sinister jaggers and bandits on the king's highway.

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to pick up the vinyl
Just so I can listen at 45 rpm

Megadeth Panel (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

People who liked the songs on Ys but found the production a little too suffocating might like this one more; there's definitely more space.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

She's singing about daddy longlegs and I can't stop laughing. I hate all of you.

― ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:05 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 04:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

hahahahahahhahaha

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 04:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hahahahahaha

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 04:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

someone is otm'img themselves itt

i know who the sockpuppet master of ilx is (velko), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 04:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I Love anXiety of Influence

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 04:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

"When the lambs is lost in the mountain, he said. They is cry. Sometime come the mother. Sometime the wolf."

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 04:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 05:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Finished my first full listen, liking it a LOT better than Ys already. But don't really take a lot of stock in me saying that, as I never fully came around on that one anyway. Definitely some songs I liked a whole lot more than others ("Good Intentions", "Baby Birch", "Esme" and "Kingfisher" all immediately come to mind) but I didn't find myself wanting to skip anyway. This will certainly take a lot more time to digest.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 05:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think the only thing left to do is to make ILX's own Have One On Me like a certain U2 album.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 09:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nobody notice a 'New York Tendaberry' vibe about this...

sonnyboy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

with JN, it helps to listen along while reading the lyrics. It's a very solid record/Go Long, still a favourite.

tincub, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

tincub, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think the only thing left to do is to make ILX's own Have One On Me like a certain U2 album.

OMG YES

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

This must be done.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

If Joanna looked like Beth Ditto this thread would only have five messages posted to it.

mottdeterre, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Has anyone here interviewed Beth Ditto in the past 6 months?

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

how many posts would there be if she looked like lady gaga? amy winehouse??

velko, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

If Joanna looked like Beth Ditto this thread would only have five messages posted to it.

Real talk.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

If a harp is strummed in a forest and nobody hears it...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

... does a baby unicorn die?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Remove Bookmark from this Thread

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

just find her preppy/ivy league/entitled steez rly offputting

epic board man (history mayne), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

if Beth Ditto looked like Joanna Newsom, The Gossip would be bigger than Jesus right guys

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Standing In The Way Of Centaur

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

i actually thought, then, 'the next post is going to be some kind of pun on standing in the way of control, but with something twee and/or mythical'? and then i hit return?

thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

refresh, rather

thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

she isn't really preppy or ivy league
west coast hippie/art school maybe

velko, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

let me just ask a somewhat loaded question:
if joanna newsom was beth ditto instead - but nothing else were different - how would you feel?

idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

those songs would sound really, really different

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

I never would have made my "goose being put through a garlic press" analogy ;_;

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

i like mama cass and francoise hardy - how can this be?

velko, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

so wait if joanna newsom was in the gossip and sang and beth ditto rode unicorns and dated the cast of SNL, how would i feel? is that the question?

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes

idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

i would feel. . . strange

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

has anyone written about the influence of the Waldorf School on Joanna Newsom's music/lyrics? Cuz it's gotta be huge.

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think beth ditto can sing better than JN, for one thing.

also, i feel sorry for that poor unicorn

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

i hope we're on the same page here que fwiw

idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

has anyone written about the influence of the Waldorf School on Joanna Newsom's music/lyrics? Cuz it's gotta be huge.

I thought she was more of the Statler School

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

i hope we're on the same page here que fwiw

what page would that be

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

5

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Come anticipate Kill Bill with me

idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

statler school?

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

I would still find both appalling and listen to neither.

xxxxxxxxxposts

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, what does statler school mean? hotel management? seriously though, I think Newsom is deep into Waldorf stuff!

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was wondering something similar -- would I like Newsom's compositions more if they were sung by someone else. At this point I've gotta imagine anything would be an improvement over her voice.

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh jesus, i've been pwned by a muppet joke

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

a++ kevin

epic board man (history mayne), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Okay you people who aren't getting the Statler joke are disgusting savages etc.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hahahahaha keep bringing the lols Joanna Newsom thread!

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

its funny how much her voice turns ppl off

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

ohhhh i get it. ha.

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

i listened to one of the new songs yesterday and i could not stop laughing at her voice.

still want to see her on the muppet show, though.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

its funny how much her voice turns ppl off

I'm just not a big fan of anything that sounds like Joni Mitchell stabbed occasionally by a cattle prod.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

you guys have no idea how delighted you have made me

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

still want to see her on the muppet show, though.

Which one would she duet with?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

kermit?

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sweetums would be great.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I vote Mahna Mahna.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

come on, has to be a duet with Fozzie

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

SWEETUMS

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Dude looks like a freak-folk roadie anyway.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

AND THEN HE COULD EAT HER WHEN THEY ARE DONE

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

(had to google sweetums, never knew that thing's name)

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

And hey, he's got a good public speaking rep!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

But he hangs around with suspicious people sometimes:

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

ya i dunno... its a weird voice sure but... its not ugly?

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Have now listened. I think it's her weakest album by a considerable margin, by far the least melodic, the least well-sung, the least in control of its dynamics, and the least, um, retroactively prepossessing.

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's not ugly, but it sounds like she's putting a "baby" voice on at times as she sings

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh it is pretty ugly sometimes

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Fo shizzle.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

her voice is HIDEOUS

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

I WOULDNT CALL IT UGLY THOUGH I AGREE IT IS HIDEOUS

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

some people like her music, some people don't like her music, none of us have anything insightful to say, and Mr. Que still isn't funny. lock thread.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

i like his use of all caps.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd love to see Judy Collins Sings Joanna Newsom. Might actually redeem a ton of these tracks for me.

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Glad to see this devolved into yet another argument about her voice.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

she mewls like a baby tiger; this is the direction I think ILX's Newsom fanfic should head in - big cats

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

xxxxpost -- I think that post means you've just unlocked Level 4 on here.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

im interested in getting to the bottom of what people hate so much about her voice--cuz its not like a "oh well shes always flat" or something right? like there is something about her tone that seems to cause some kind of visceral reaction in mordy and dan

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost -- Fizzgig?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think Regina Spektor singing Joanna Newsom's songs would be pretty great.

xp: For me, it is the extreme nasal tone combined with the baby lisping.

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alright Que, the cat made me laugh

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

have you listened to the new one dan? not saying youll like it--the affectations are a little toned down tho.

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

she mewls like a baby tiger

wo she couldn't get closer than THIS...

Mark G, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

extreme nasal tone, and also her voice has a very sticky sounding character to me -- like almost mucous'y, like maybe her throat is coated in something.

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

part of it is that some people just hate the timbre of her voice, and that hatred is exacerbated by the words she's singing. some people also think her voice is an "affectation," which she talks about in that Erik Davis piece on Ys, i believe

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Mark G wins

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Like, if she didn't sing entirely through her nose 24/7 and she enunciated, I wouldn't be as bothered by the extreme reediness of her tone, but she does all of these things that make her voice less of an instrument and more of a laser weapon currently under investigation by the UN.

xp: Haven't heard the new one yet; if the affectations are toned down I would likely be able to pay more attention to what she's doing musically. From what I can tell she is a great musician with a voice I don't particularly want to ever hear.

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm actually listening to this now...never heard her before.

it's not that bad actually...this first song reminds me of like "lionheart" era kate bush kinda when kate was more trad piano type production.

i'm not sure if i like it or i was just all hyped up totally hate it and now i'm kinda :/

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

okay YES this is much, much better (and hits on/changes pretty much everything I was complaining about)

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

there's def a strong "grain of the voice" with her, very bodily produced, and it sounds very fleshy and gross i think is the issue i have with it. like it sounds like all the gross bits of the body. her voice doesn't sound like it's coming from somewhere deep, and the things i love about voices (their thickness, lushness, the way they sound coming out of a mouth) are totally absent here.

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha h8rs coming around

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

screw Beth Ditto...imagine Beth GIBBONS singing these songs, Mr Perry

(anyone know a good hypnotist?)

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean, there's no comparison IMO. In one, she's singing, in the other she's being tortured.

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

imagine Joanna Newsom singing Beth by Kiss

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean so far this shit ain't that different from say this kate song:

^btw this clip is awesome <3

but actually now i'm listening and there's no comparing them as vocalists...kate is so fucking street real with her vocal talent, top 5 dead or alive...

but still i dunno it's not THAT far off in the continuum of music from like Candlemass to C&C Music Factory

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

yr setting her up for failure when you compare her to KB! but remember that shes only 3 albums into her career & still figuring out what she does

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

i heard she "does" unicorns

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

mottdeterre, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

a bit of a hasty conclusion, but from what i've heard, her voice is much better on this disc.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

(i've heard some of the NPR stream and the video embeds on this thread)

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

i hesitate to call it 'better' since i never had a problem with her voice on the other two albums. but yeah--its less... affected but no less unique. imo.

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

is this album any good

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

"less affected" is good enough for me as a description

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

kate is so fucking street real

oh word

epic board man (history mayne), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

is this album any good

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ya it is

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

the only vocal stylings I have a problem with are the laddish affectations of British indie frontmen who throw in 'oh-oh-oh-ohhh' or 'yeeeeah' every other breath, in order to fill the space where a cutting lyrical sentiment could be, and doubtless to bolster the most thinly-veiled empty-head-onism youth, minor fame and a recording contract can buy. it is akin to watching a rapist pluck a dandelion for his next victim

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

i wonder what kind of monster you will be at 40

thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

pluckage

velko, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

wtf are you even talking about, lj

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

got y'all a dandelion

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

lj u are my boo

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

This kind of shit:

All of the above are sex-offending morons.

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh Christ.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

If Joanna looked like Beth Ditto this thread would only have five messages posted to it.

― mottdeterre, Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:44 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

ridiculous double reverse sexist garbage imo btw

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

CAD is OTM btw - that statement didn't get lampooned quite enough

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

What the album does contain is more than two hours of exquisitely beautiful songs over three discs, performed with a new singing voice after the old one quite literally disappeared.

Newsom developed vocal cord nodes in spring 2009, and all that came out when she opened her mouth “was like the hiss on opening a Coke can”. For two months she went around with a notebook, forbidden from singing, speaking or even crying. “In fact crying was the absolutely worst thing I could do to my voice. So I was constantly telling myself, don’t feel, don’t feel, don’t feel.” On recovering, she mourned when she realised that her old voice was never coming back, though she says she must give “full disclosure” and admit that further vocal modifications have been deliberate.

so yes this is going to convert a lot of h8rs--her voice is like totally different

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Okay, no, sorry. You don't to call anyone "sexist" two posts after calling musicians you don't like sex offenders. Fuck off with that.

(xpost)

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

bless those nodes

velko, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

anyway what I am saying is let JN sing how she goddamn pleases and try to keep your visceral reactions as a matter of personal taste and not an assault upon her character. the only genuinely offensive voices are those modulated to convey empty feeling, hence my post upthread

lol jon you do not understand - I get to do what I like, especially if on both occasions it's 'holding to account the objectification of women' - that issue doesn't have a subjective position IMO

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Unless you have actual proof that those guys are sex offenders (and maybe they are, couldn't give a fuck about either of them enough to know) then, no, you don't get to toss that accusation out there for "holding to account the objectification of women".

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

anyway what I am saying is let JN sing how she goddamn pleases and try to keep your visceral reactions as a matter of personal taste and not an assault upon her character

I'm kind of curious about this, actually: when the objection to her voice is equiv. to 'the guitar on this record is never tuned' (which "she has really annoying tone colour, is nasal, is often flagrantly out of tune*" kind of is) is it really a personal reaction? aren't there kinds of immediate aesthetic judgement which aren't?

*cf. 'sadie', 'three little babes', 'inflammatory writ', 'yarn and glue'

thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

But yes, her voice is miles better on this album, if you ask me. Love it.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

it took me soooo long to adjust to ys because (among other things) i thought she'd started singing too 'well'

thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

i dont know about the flagrantly out of tune bit, but "annoying" is definitely a "personal reaction"

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I return to ILX to find that mildly caustic turns of phrase have been outlawed? Who's running this show? They're probably not *actual* sex offenders, certainly not convicted, but their music incites sexism. I'll forgive you for not giving a fuck because those songs weren't huge in the States, but they certainly were here, and from a feminist (read: sensible) perspective, that's worrying/problematic. The singers' mannerisms go a long way towards creating an atmosphere of sexual predation. Maybe you hear it completely differently.

Mr. West, whose name I am calling out because shit got heated enough, it is interesting, as long as you can provide an explanation as to why she is singing *WRONGLY*, as opposed to 'differently/uniquely/annoyingly'. What is she doing, that is 'wrong' and improvable? On a purely objective level? Bear in mind that 'often flagrantly out of tune' could well be an aesthetic choice, hence subjective, ditto 'nasal'.

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

The singers' mannerisms go a long way towards creating an atmosphere of sexual predation.

Quoted for absolute fucking ignorance. I mean, really, you honestly believe this shit? You aren't even worth debating with.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

go pluck yourself

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's threatening laddish assertion (forced swagger) in songs about desirable females - I can't read it in any other way. Take a chill pill, dude! Everything will be happier in ten minutes.

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

>>ridiculous double reverse sexist garbage imo btw

I meant it as lookist garbage.

mottdeterre, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

xxpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

whose name I am calling out because shit got heated enough

i'm pretty sure this is the first time this has happened to me on ilx, awesome

ok right:

i. 'annoying' was the wrong choice of word; pretend i said 'really sharp tone colour' though 'sharp' isn't really the right word

ii. i sort of distrust the logic of "it's okay to be singing out of tune as long as it is deliberate and you could do better if you wanted to"

iii. my claim is that if yr aesthetic choices involve a lot of deliberate error, people are perfectly justified to say "well, i don't like error, and i don't care if it is deliberate" - cf. bad free verse, novels written in one paragraph, out of focus photos - & i think this is a category of objection which on some level goes beyond mere personal taste

thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

who gave marc loi the jagg's login?

epic board man (history mayne), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is JN's best-sung album in the same sense that Nashville Skyline is Dylan's best-sung album.

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

i really didn't like her voice until this record, but i don't think it was out of tune, just extreme, but then again i didn't listen to it enough to know for sure

velko, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd hate to hear what lj thinks of Mick Jagger and any other sixties rock singer ever that had "swagger" when singing about a desirable female.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

there's the odd belter or bellowed moment where it's very obvious/deliberate (listed these earlier) ; also moments where she goes squeaky and misses the note

xpost i'd hate it if maybe LJ thinking modern brit indie was a bit rapey maybe had to become its own thread and not bother us here: that would be terrible

thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

"You call that singing?"

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll deal with iii because that's where the meat of the argument is (although 'tone colour' is something I think varies naturally rather than intentionally - prove me wrong)...

my claim is that if yr aesthetic choices involve a lot of deliberate error, people are perfectly justified to say "well, i don't like error, and i don't care if it is deliberate" - cf. bad free verse, novels written in one paragraph, out of focus photos - & i think this is a category of objection which on some level goes beyond mere personal taste

The issue here is whether Newsom is making errors, or valid musical choices. Unless she's failing to do something she's trying to do, I'd never accuse her of error. Is she failing to do something she's trying to do? I know some artistic choices can sabotage others, and thus the failure is that of creating a cogent artistic statement - I'd venture to say that if she does make an error, this might be it. But how? I think her voice works well enough with her instrument.

generally dislike the Stones fwiw - and yeah, they're pretty monstrous when it comes to women, although this doesn't have much to do with my opinion of them. at least they were a little more straightforward about their sexual wants. didn't sugar-coat it in false sensitivity.

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost i'd hate it if maybe LJ thinking modern brit indie was a bit rapey maybe had to become its own thread and not bother us here: that would be terrible

Nah, pretty much not even worth the discourse at this point. Back to Newsom talk please.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

what are you guys doing to the great thread of love

can't we get back to the edenic time on this thread when we were all united in lols @ unicorns

gotta get back to the garden guys

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

generally dislike the Stones fwiw - and yeah, they're pretty monstrous when it comes to women, although this doesn't have much to do with my opinion of them. at least they were a little more straightforward about their sexual wants. didn't sugar-coat it in false sensitivity.

― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:36 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark

Moral: you have to be creepy. You have to make your fuck-want clear from the beginning, even if you choose to go smooth and disguise it as "romantic interest". I understand that the romantic interest route is very popular.

epic board man (history mayne), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

here I'll start:

A THIMBLE'S WORTH OF MILKY LOLS

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

i kind of think of this every time someone complains about her mentioning sex

thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

What is she doing, that is 'wrong' and improvable?

The stranglulated nasal whine that was putting a ton of forced stress on her vocal chords is what gave her nodes; the new way she is singing is freer, more open and healthier. You can tell that entirely from the timbre of her voice on older records vs that new song Iposted.

btw weren't you supposed to be banned from ILX until you finished grad school?

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

this thread needed LJ, grad school be damned

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Cheers Dan, that's a pretty good explanation, although it's more of a technical point than a criticism of her art (although I appreciate that for you it's that too).

I uh...got the batsignal, what can I say. Plus I figured that a forced ILX ban wasn't something I needed; it's a bit like an admission of defeat, and an unnecessary measure. I just need to edit myself from now on. Keep it low-key. Done with great success thus far, I'd say.

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://www.silverlocusts.com/Graphics/dandelion_book_cover.jpg

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

hey, am i really liking about 1/2 of this album!

the other 1/2 does not offend me. have no idea why her voice offends. irritates, i guess. offends?

reflexive diatribes against "ivy league"/"privilege" (however they might apply to J.N.) = some straight up B.S.

by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

did you play the clip of one of her old songs with her old way of singing?

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

mills college is sort of a west coast seven sisters i guess

velko, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

The stranglulated nasal whine that was putting a ton of forced stress on her vocal chords is what gave her nodes;

was wondering about whether or not this was the case

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

She was probably singing from her throat rather than her diaphragm, a common mistake made by untrained singers that can easily lead to thin, reedy tone and jacked up vocal cords.

When I saw her perform on the Ys tour, she seemed to have this under much better control, but I guess it was too little too late.

Moodles, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

bob dylan's larynx must look like a craggy mountain range at this point

by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 20:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

Indeed, indeed, everywhere one goes these days, one risks hearing another of these hillbillies or jass singers braying and squawking from a neighbor's gramophone.

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 20:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

who's responsible for this http://huggingthenewjoannanewsomalbum.tumblr.com/

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

BOOK DEAL

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

None of those people are really hugging the record though. The first dude almost is, I guess.

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Which one of you is this?

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

;)

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

i knew it was you!

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

then why did u ask

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

mottdeterre, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://fuckyeahjoannanewsom.tumblr.com/

ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Heaven has no words for the way you and your friends have treated poor Louis.

Turangalila, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol I did come in a bit brashly with the off-topic feminist mudslinging, even if it was to illustrate a defence of JN whom up until yesterday I was pretty sure I didn't like much

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

That was a line from the title track, LJ. :P

Turangalila, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

clearly that's her take on the whole LJ-ILX debacle

Turangalila, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ha! Well as JD said, she's totally hopped on my bandwagon; lyrical dedications are the least I expect. I may have to give this record a listen at some stage - I'm not bursting at the collar to do so but I've completely made my peace with JN. May she fulfil her vision. Like I said amid the sound and fury, Ys should have been indexed, marketed and released as a single piece, and I'm a little hesitant to deal with an album of hers that contains so many discrete bits of music. I can't imagine listening to the individual songs of Ys.

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sawdust & Diamonds and maybe Cosmia work pretty well by themselves imo. But then I'm one of those people who think the rest was dragged down by VDP's orchestral muck.

Laurie & I got this new one on LP this past Monday but haven't really listened, I think we will tonight.

sleeve, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

it will change your life

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

appears to be both sleeping and drinking champagne in the back of a car - 1st class WKIW material.

I have listened to this album and I like it. Won't be sure how much it's changed the world till I listen to it in my magical hidden cave, tho.

(as one of the crazy overenthusiastic fans I can't work out how much I mean that.)

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

@tylerw @ksh @Mr. Que

It was me, loves! Mwah! (Re: http://huggingthenewjoannanewsomalbum.tumblr.com/)

Ursell Anning, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hahaha! So great. And I'm quoted next to Stereogum, The Village Voice, and Carles under the title. Thanks!

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

I fear the parody blogs.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://huggingnedraggett.tumblr.com ?

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Everyone should fear that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh wow, sweet: Mike Powell reviewed the record!

http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-02-23/music/joanna-newsom-somewhat-simplified

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

My only thing about the hugging-the-record Tumblr is that none of the people on it are actually hugging the record, except for maybe on guy but it's hard to tell.

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

*one

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

all of those "huggers" need professional help

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

ok...so i've listened to this 3 times through//and the only song i'm not really feeling as yet is Ribbon Bows

tincub, Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is that second hugger Mike White?

dylan's craggy larynx (jaymc), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

hey, that village voice article isn't terrible!

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

although i think maybe he gets some lyrics wrong and consequently understates their weirdness.

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't want to be flip about this, because I do think Newsom is someone who rewards a patient and curious ear, but I've listened to the album twice now and I'm still waiting for it to click with me. Lots of people seem to be welcoming her new, mellower, more rounded voice; me, I never had a problem with the old one, and I miss its raw spark. More than that, though, I'm just not finding a lot to latch onto. There's something to be said for giving the songs more space, but I *liked* that Ys seemed to breathlessly spiral from one dynamic melody to the next. "Good Intentions Paving Company" is the only one so far that's made my ears perk up. But again: she's not someone I write off easily, so I'll be digging in further.

dylan's craggy larynx (jaymc), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

@ksh There will be more huggy/makey-outy ones to come.

Ursell Anning, Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

stoked

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

can you wear a daisy-chain and ride a pony in the next one? it would do her music justice :)

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Maybe most importantly, her lyrics are easier to follow and harder to tune out.

"Easier to follow" I get, "harder to tune out" I don't. Newsom's first two records were filled with this marvelously dense poetry bubbling with polysyllables and sung so up-front and eagerly, it was almost impossible to tune it out. And I'm someone who tunes out lyrics as a matter of course. I guess his point is that all of that relentless thorniness was wearying; maybe my point is that that's what it takes for someone like me to pay attention to words.

dylan's craggy larynx (jaymc), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

some of these reviews are making it sound like I would really dig this record tbh

think I'll listen to old mercyful fate records instead tho

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

J0hn, have you heard any of her older stuff?

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

you're joking right? I was a pretty big stan for Milk-Eyed Mender actually, as I've said multiple times on this thread I think she's a pretty great lyricist. but the joys of her music are mere appetizers for the full banquet spread of making fun of people who like her music.

unless you mean pre-MEM in which case no I haven't

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

pre-MEM she recorded under the name "amy grant"

strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

No, I wasn't joking! Just missed the part where you mentioned you've heard her stuff before. Somehow. But that's cool!

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

pre-MEM she recorded under the name "amy grant"

ha!

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

amy grant wishes she could write about unicorns as well as joanna newsom

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

in 2004 I wrote this about her:

Joanna Newsome’s better than, umm, all them other space-alien voiced women with harps who made records this year. (Keep your pants on, haters: I also dug The Milk-Eyed Mender, though the way some of you people started giving it the Bjork treatment — using words like “special,” or, worse, “sacred” — made me wanna spit bile just to maintain a little cosmic balance.)

however I feel I have streamlined my style now and would like to amend that graf to read "lol unicorns"

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

also joanna newsome will never make a record as good as any of amy grant's records no matter how hard she tries and anybody who says otherwise is wrong & lying

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

that includes amy grant's christmas records btw & also the song "grape, grape joy"

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

amy grant v. joanna newsom is less interesting than amy grant v. easy-e, which was the subject of another brilliant ilx thread.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

*yawn*

guammls (QE II), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

*yawn*

― guammls (QE II), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:20 PM (36 seconds ago)

see we warned you not to listen to HOOM & now you're sleepy

don't blame the messengers man

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

there are presently-working women songwriters who are considerably better than AG who don't get mileage because they don't give christian dudes a born-again boner

velko, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

amy grant's charms do not affect only christians. she has shiksappeal.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol u mad velko

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah i don't know about that... but now i'm rocking "don't break the oath" and have awoken.. must jump around

guammls (QE II), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

HOOM is a great dance record, it's true.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

is this woman like a fine wine or what seriously

tylerw, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

pretty sure baby baby was about a unicorn

Baby, baby, go walkin' through the forest
The birds above a-singin' you a chorus

velko, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

man don't even get me started tyler

greatest artist of the 20th century, no exceptions

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't share j0hn's love for her music (it's . . . okay), but she's definitely a cutie.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

birds just out of frame

velko, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

man don't even get me started tyler

greatest artist of the 20th century, no exceptions

― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.)

ladies and gentleman, J0hn has joined the chorus of praise for HOOM

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

uhhhh . . . HOOM is 21st century.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

he's talking about amy grant, i think.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

before her, music was a cold emotionless wasteland

I shudder to remember it

xpost of course I'm talking about amy grant

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

what a disaster for my zing

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Baby, baby, go walkin' through the forest
The birds above a-singin' you a chorus

underrated post btw

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

well this is playing out exactly as i hoped

strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

picture I took at her concert, seconds before I first learned how to feel

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Joanna Newsom's music made me human again, after years of feeling numb to everything

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

so, to sum up: 1) listen to mercyful fate 2) listen to amy grant 3) no unicorns

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

it made me realize that special, spiritual, cosmos-disturbing music is possible in a post-In the Aeroplane Over the Sea world

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

john i've sure you've felt that before, many times

strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

3) no unicorns

you make me sad. take it back.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

hoping j0hn didn't learn how to feel for the first time during that concert

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

the concert taught me to feel

I remember the time before it as a vast frozen expanse in which no one felt love & nothing mattered to anyone

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

daniel you can have narwhals if it'll make you happy, they are more badass anyway

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'll take it. certainly better than killer whales, given today's news.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 03:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Okay, yeah, listening to the first disc again tonight. "Good Intentions" and "Baby Birch" are both outstanding.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 February 2010 04:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

btw Amy Grant is one of the nicest human beings on Earth

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Thursday, 25 February 2010 04:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

i believe you

tylerw, Thursday, 25 February 2010 04:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Vision Creation Newsom would be a good display name

Venus in Fursuit (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 25 February 2010 06:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme #15
March 1990, Marvel Comics.

Christian singer Amy Grant sued when Marvel Comics used her photo on the cover of this comic titled, "Vampires on Broadway".[20]

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 25 February 2010 06:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

kinda wish someone would summarize the last 500 posts for me. All I see are unicorns and amy grant.

Cunga, Thursday, 25 February 2010 07:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait is all this amy grant discussion like 80% sincere, 20% lightly ironic? or some other dynamic? this whole thread has been confusing me.

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 25 February 2010 07:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

unicorns are noble, righteous beings.

Of HOOMan Bondage (latebloomer), Thursday, 25 February 2010 08:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

im kind of with jaymc w/r/t to the lyrics on this--nothing quite as dense or arresting or (to me) powerful, at least based on what I hear.

but the arrangements are gorgeous and the songwriting is top notch so i am sort of hoping that the lyrics will come into greater focus as i listen more.

max, Thursday, 25 February 2010 11:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not so sure about all this vibrato she's putting on her voice nowadays.

Wax Cat, Thursday, 25 February 2010 13:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

^Yeah, I noticed that, too.

Of course, right after I say that the album isn't as memorable/hooky, I wake up with "You and Me, Bess" in my head.

dylan's craggy larynx (jaymc), Thursday, 25 February 2010 13:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

im finding it totally hooky. '81 has been stuck in my head for a dam week

max, Thursday, 25 February 2010 13:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

xxpost Re: vibrato

I played Good Intentions for my wife and she asked if it had been recorded during an earthquake.

Moodles, Thursday, 25 February 2010 13:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm slightly disappointed that none of the tracks are hitting me like the first 2 that the label previewed (81 & good intentions paving company)
was set to go out and buy this but i'm not sure i want to invest in a 2 hr "grower"
maybe i'll just download those 2 songs.......

velko, Thursday, 25 February 2010 13:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Those 2 plus Easy have been the ones that have stuck with me so far, but I don't think I've even had a chance to listen to any of the third disc. There have definitely been a few songs like the title track that are a bit too rambling for me. The Ys songs were long but felt more focused and melodic. May just need time to get familiar with the new set though.

Moodles, Thursday, 25 February 2010 13:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

ding ding

thomp, Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

The only song that has stuck with me is the title track. Even the couple others I kinda like ("No Provenance") are... dull imo.

Turangalila, Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

i found that--despite thinking this was mostly bullshit--it helped a lot, in terms of getting to know and love the songs, to start listening to each disc individually, instead of just starting from the top or some random place in the middle or putting it on shuffle or anything.

max, Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha i dont really love the title track! i do think the first disc is the best tho. easy, '81, good intentions, baby birch are probably my favorite four tracks on the whole thing. then again ive listened to that disc the most.

max, Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait is all this amy grant discussion like 80% sincere, 20% lightly ironic? or some other dynamic? this whole thread has been confusing me.

I'm sincere, I own all her records & listen to them more than anything else in my collection, but it's also kind of funny to just get JD goin on the subject of Amy Grant & I'm always happy to oblige

sorry for AG call-back but wanted to answer question

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

where would one start listening to this 'amy grant'

thomp, Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

deep in one's soul iirc

joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

i found that--despite thinking this was mostly bullshit--it helped a lot, in terms of getting to know and love the songs, to start listening to each disc individually, instead of just starting from the top or some random place in the middle or putting it on shuffle or anything.

― max, Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:10 AM

For anyone trying to find a way into this record, I totally recommend this approach. I created an iTunes playlist for each disc, and, starting with disc 1, I'm going to spend some time with each of them individually. When you're listening to this, starting with the first disc and going through to the last, at least in the beginning, probably won't work. Just too long.

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

She's always run the risk of coming across as affected, so I think recording a new album in a completely different vocal style to her previous stuff isn't doing her any favours. I've only listened through to the album once though so the quality of the songwriting I'm sure will outweigh those kind of irritations at some point... Really loved the last track.

Wax Cat, Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

"When you're listening to this, starting with the first disc and going through to the last, at least in the beginning, probably won't work. Just too long."

-->

At least in the beginning, listening to this starting with the first disc and going through to the last probably won't work. Just too long.

ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

waking up another thread for u thomp

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 14:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

In a perfect world, Amy Grant would now post to this thread.

In sentence fragments full of bile.

Yes, this would be perfect.

Also, fan art of JN & AG.

And unicorns.

You know what I mean.

Unicorn never her.

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 15:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't love amy grant but we've always had a certain "game recognize game" mutual respect thing going

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://www.topix.com/forum/who/amy-grant/TR3NL31RL39FIS89M

velko, Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

ITT velko learns to use google

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

(sc. smileyface it's all love v)

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

great opening line though:

"Proven on many other sites, she should jump off a cliff and die."

for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

YOU GOT OWNED CHRISTIANS!

tylerw, Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

"In California" has been the standout for me so far. The bit when the strings come in is lovely.

Number None, Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

In John's video, Velko Learns to Use Google, some occult symbols are clearly and openly displayed. In the video, John, dressed in a red robe,(used in witchcraft rituals) strangely flashes a smiley face on the palms of his hands. It is common knowledge the hands are the primary "contact point" in the occult.

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Still need a lot more time to get to know these songs, but so far I'm thinking:
Disc 1 >>> Disc 3 > Disc 2

The tracks on disc 1 have stuck with me the best. I particularly am liking the groovy 70s vibe on Easy and Good Intentions - I could handle a whole album of these types of songs. Disc 2 I've had the most trouble getting a grasp on.

Moodles, Thursday, 25 February 2010 20:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Love to see her try her hand at a 'New Morning' or 'Planet Waves'-style shorter songs album, and use her obvious lyrical skills in a more pithy way, with a sound akin to "Good Intentions Paving Company". I don't have a huge problem with her longer songs, though a couple here don't hold up and a couple more don't take off beyond "good". So it's not so much that the needs an editor, per se, it's just that there's strong evidence she could do well to marry the musical/arrangement ambitions of this 3LP to a 10-track, 38-minute album.

Soundslike, Thursday, 25 February 2010 23:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

By the way, I very much want Joanna, not Gavin, to be Jerry Brown's lieutenant governor.

that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Friday, 26 February 2010 02:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

tbh that popmatters review is kinda otm.

Turangalila, Friday, 26 February 2010 13:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

666 (throws devil sign, splits)

Paul, Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Updated: http://huggingthenewjoannanewsomalbum.tumblr.com/

Good job, Ursell!

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Apparently if you are a guy with glasses you'll probably like this album.
If you look like Colin Meloy you'll simply do anything Pitchfork says. (Just my theory about how the world works)

Evan, Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

The governement needs to invent a bomb that destroys everyone aged 25 to 35. We're fucking up so bad.

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

That bums me out because I've thrice been told I look like Colin Meloy and I don't want to be a slave to Pitchfork. Fuck.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

anyone but us is truly the greatest generation

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was not fucking happy to hear the comparison and, thankfully, my wife doesn't see it.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Evan, Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Trying really hard not to take Whiney's bait... but really? This coming from a dude who, whatever the motivations, contributed to this tumblr bullshit.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

twumblr

idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^tweenster crying and hugging new joanna newsom album, best in class since crying_hipster_anco.gif

idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

So slimy....

Evan, Sunday, 28 February 2010 07:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

Trying really hard not to take Whiney's bait... but really? This coming from a dude who, whatever the motivations, contributed to this tumblr bullshit.

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:49 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm not makin fun of the tumblr existing, save maybe the fact that it rips off my 77 anco thread

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 07:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah you invented hipster baiting

Number None, Sunday, 28 February 2010 07:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

just saw the premiere of The Family Jams last night. Highly recommended, especially for fans of Joanna and Devendra and Vetiver, and even for those who at least have a high tolerance for their musics.

http://www.thefamilyjams.com/

dan selzer, Sunday, 28 February 2010 08:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

The governement needs to invent a bomb that destroys everyone aged 25 to 35. We're fucking up so bad.

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:41 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

caek, Sunday, 28 February 2010 09:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

The governement needs to invent a bomb that destroys everyone aged 25 to 35. We're fucking up so bad.

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:41 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

truth bomb, to be straight up

waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 February 2010 09:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

*checks birth date*

whew

Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ (dyao), Sunday, 28 February 2010 09:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

After listening to this I need to put on a Prurient or an Abruptum record.

booty claps and harp solos (leavethecapital), Sunday, 28 February 2010 11:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha, i was listening to it was my gf and told her i had to clear my palatte, so i started blasting "Bitch Betta Have My Money"

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 15:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol this guy spent hours making this YouTube video and didn't even know who wrote the song lol

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 15:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

This looks like a blog a lot of you would enjoy: http://indierawk.tumblr.com

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 16:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

still the greatest triple-album i've never heard.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 28 February 2010 16:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Still the grating-ist triple-album I've never heard.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 28 February 2010 17:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

And this didn't take long to turn into a full-on Joanna hatefest. ILM is so finicky.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 17:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

as soon as its something a Questionable Content fan would like, we turn instantly

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 18:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was just surprised how quickly this went from a lovefest to rabid hatred.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 18:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost
god help us if faye starts rocking a the-dream shirt

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 18:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Should I be happy that I don't know who Faye is? (Although I'm guessing it's someone on Questionable Content, which I think I've read three times.)

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 18:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

And this didn't take long to turn into a full-on Joanna hatefest. ILM is so finicky.

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0)

It's been a "hatefest" since I started the thread. There's a small group of us who like her music here, but beyond that, it's all unicorns and Ren faire zings.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 18:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't know, a lot of the Ren Faire zings came from people who were at least semi into her, or into her older stuff (J0hn D.).

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 18:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think J0hn might've been the only one who was "semi into her," but even he hasn't liked her since Milk-Eyed Mender.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Whatever. My point being tons of ilxors loved Ys, but now it she seems to be a lot more universally hated around here.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was a huge Joanna stan circa Milk-Eyed Mender (it was even on my Pazz And Jop ballot). But she completely fell-off with me with Ys and this record. I think Joanna is someone that really could really do a lot of weird magic with the traditional V-C-V song structure, and feel that her "compositional" affectations on the last two records are really playing out of her league as a songwriter.

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Milk-Eyed Mender had some dope rhymes on it too, which is also long gone. I always figured her as a big rap fan when that album came out. Spoke right to me.

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's another case of someone who has built a history and a fanbase on really good V-C-V songs positioning themselves as "important avant-garde genius" and rock critics/impressionable corny indiefuxxors who have no concept of real avant-garde music buying it hook/line/sinker (see also Kid A, the last two Mars Volta albums)

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

xxp basically this

caek, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

whiney

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was with you on your first two posts but you dont do yourself any favors by suddenly claiming this is some kind of false consciousness thing

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Some also really like the music because they like it.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well treat them, as two separate thoughts, i'm rambling here

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean like i said above i think the lyrics on the most recent one arent nearly as good as MEM or Ys lyrics. & i disagree but i can see the argument that her strengths lie in traditional forms and not in long 'compositional' arrangement (tho fwiw theres a lot of V-C-V on the most recent one, the songs are just so long maybe you dont notice?). but accusing "impressionable corny indiefuxxors" of having the wool pulled over the yes b.c they... dont know as much about "real avant-garde music" as you is... well, dude, its not an argument

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Seriously this why I get so frustrated with you Whiney. I mean you start out with some really valid points and then completely undermine yourself with some questionable bullshit.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

xxp basically this

― caek, Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:17 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha, this was originally me saying which two sentences out of ten i thought were truth bombs and which were nonsense, but i decided to keep it pos.

caek, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

ok, i'll take back last thought since it's derailing the argument

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's another case of someone who has built a history and a fanbase on really good V-C-V songs positioning themselves as "important avant-garde genius" and rock critics/impressionable corny indiefuxxors who have no concept of real avant-garde music buying it hook/line/sinker (see also Kid A, the last two Mars Volta albums)

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), domingo 28 de febrero de 2010 07:15 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

LOL @ this absurdity

Turangalila, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

ok, i'll take back last thought since it's derailing the argument

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:24 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

I know. I can read. It's still hilarious tbh.

Turangalila, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nave to say, I am curious about what Whiney considers "real avant-garde."

Mark, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Haha exactly

Turangalila, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nave to say, I am curious about what Whiney considers "real avant-garde."

the point being "not joanna newsom," unless you and turanga want to make the even more hilarious argument that this joanna album currently streaming on NPR is true american avantgarde then be my guest.

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't really think Joanna Newsom is avant-garde at all, but I still really like her music. That being said, I do think some people think her music is much more experimental than it is, and yeah, it's easy to make fun of that.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

No one in this thread ever claimed she is or was "avant-garde".

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

no one said it refered to anyone on this thread.

also

ok, i'll take back last thought since it's derailing the argument

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:24 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

No one in this thread ever claimed she is or was "avant-garde".

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0)

What Whiney said: "no one said it refered to anyone on this thread."

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Although Joanna Newsom's Appalachian-meets-avant-garde take on folk music is her most celebrated work"
"Her songwriting incorporates elements of Appalachian music, and avant-garde modernism."
"Newsom's avant-garde meets harp meets alt folk meets art pop"
"Some say she’s just a unicorn-loving, harp-plucking faerie and others say the singer / songwriter / harpist is an avant-garde leader of the neo-folk scene."

http://www.google.com/search?q=";Joanna+Newsom"+avant-garde

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm so confused. Now kshighway is actually defending Whiney's argument by pulling random google quotes.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

My point was that it was ridiculous for Whiney to even bring up the "avant-garde" argument in the first place, no matter how much backpedaling he wants to do now.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

No, no. I strongly dislike the new album. And as much as I love Ys, I don't think that is "avant-garde" and don't *need* to.

Releasing unfortunately overhyped albums of slightly less traditional songs =/= postulating yourself as Super Musical Genius whose fans can only possibly enjoy the music on those terms.

Turangalila, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't really think Joanna Newsom is avant-garde at all, but I still really like her music. That being said, I do think some people think her music is much more experimental than it is, and yeah, it's easy to make fun of that.

― ksh, Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:37 PM

Was just pulling quotes from Google to demonstrate that some people consider her music avant-garde. I was not supporting Whiney's assertion upthread, which he has already abandoned three or four times now.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Also it's so weird to me how a lot of people hold MeM as the standard, as I think it's mostly a big pile of shit.

Turangalila, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't think it's a "pile of shit," but I definitely think it looks slight next to Ys.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

MeM is so good. I dunno. To me Milk-Eyed Mender always felt like when someone gets the right balance between traditional rock and out-weirdo elements. Like Sonic Youth's EVOL or Faith No More's Angel Dust. Ys and HOOM just seem like trying to hard to be a serious artist, yknow?

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think there's like, three good songs in that album and some of the others might be okayish but to me they're either unlistenable (e.g., cannot withstand one listen of studio "Peach, Plum, & Pear") or just... not that interesting.

I genuinely think she re-wrote much of Ys *around* VDP's arrangements and not the other way around and don't think I'd like those songs half as much without the additional harmonies & counterpoint.

Turangalila, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp i dont really hear that at all tbh

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ys and HOOM just seem like trying to hard to be a serious artist, yknow?

Yeah, she shouldn't try to do this.

stoke for the shawcross (acoleuthic), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Joanna Newsome Hamburgers Olympics

Mr. Que, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

MeM is so good. I dunno. To me Milk-Eyed Mender always felt like when someone gets the right balance between traditional rock and out-weirdo elements. Like Sonic Youth's EVOL or Faith No More's Angel Dust. Ys and HOOM just seem like trying to hard to be a serious artist, yknow?

always weird to me when Whiney & me see almost completely eye-to-eye on something

at the same time, I really think it's awesome that she seems eager to challenge herself to grow, that it's a big part of who she is as an artist. but I am a keep-the-song-short kinda dude as is known. epic metal bands get a pass but generally speaking I'm more interested in compressed narratives/pieces, which MeM excelled in imo

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean the "weird band grows increasingly more accessible" thing is VERY well-worn and familiar in indie music (Sonic Youth, White Zombie, Husker Du, Butthole Surfers, Jesus Lizard, Animal Collective, Deerhoof)

but the "popular artist growing increasingly stranger" is a little more rare and way harder to pull off

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

like joanna, i think Mastodon is another band who used to be great with simple weirdo-rock and are now just look silly trying to be a serious, art-prog band.

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

jeez u zvuck one cock and suddenly fools are mad reachin in their new dn

Whiney Zzzz Weingarten (zvookster), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

i haven't decided whether to start beefing with you yet

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

"popular artist growing increasingly stranger"

Am looking for this thread, am sure we've done it. lol Talk Talk amirite (also, Blur, sorta)

stoke for the shawcross (acoleuthic), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Scott Walker!

I actually think the new one is sort of casual stuff, not especially "serious artist"y, and if it were 35 minutes long rather than 125 minutes I doubt anyone would be making that claim. That said, I'm still unconvinced the new one had to be as long as it is, because I'm not sure how its length works to its benefit. It's not like it's some thrilling all over the place "Sign 'o the Times"/"Sandinista!" grab bag, or a particularly compelling song-cycle/narrative (you know, like Tori Amos' "Scarlet's Walk!"). I sort of wish it was, though it's also fine enough as it is. I'd be curious if anyone considers this the strongest of her three records, even though that's how it's been posited by much of the hyperbole. Then again: hyperbole.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Man, I have so much love for Ys, but I could see why some would prefer Mender.

Wilco did "avant-garde" better with YHF, tho. . . . . . . . . .

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

j/k

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

have one on me is the most accessible thing shes done, if you ask me.

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think the song length is really a red herring, esp. in the case of have on on me

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

If you're talking about her voice on it, sure. The production, sure. But it's three fucking discs long, I'm a huge fan, and it's difficult for even me to slog through.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nah, I fully go with that statement. YHF is unfairly kicked these days, and has some (albeit isolated) moments of genuine avant-garde vision.

xxxp

stoke for the shawcross (acoleuthic), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

I would be curious to know whether she thinks it's something to be listened to front-to-back.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

three discs doesnt make her 'weird' or 'inaccessible' it just makes it long

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

If she sees this as a unified record to be listened to front-to-back, I think the fact that it is over two hours long is enough to make the record as a whole "inaccessible," even if its constituent parts aren't.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I see where you're coming from though.

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean... 'inaccessible' in some sense? but thats not what were talking about is it? were talking about the arc of her career (pop --> weird vs. weird --> pop) or whatever. and even then its like... i dont think shes doing any of the things ppl are ascribing to her

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha whiney if it goes down msg me with an official declaration so's i'll know. is it true you took the hardman award home from TwitterCon???

zvookster, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

I know Whiney abandoned the argument, but I think there's a legit discussion to be had about art school rock (or whatever they call it) v. "authentic" avant garde, and where Newsom falls into that spectrum

Mordy, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh jesus pls don't say authentic even in scare quotes

zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha yeah because your use of the word "real" last time around was way better

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

tbaa i don't think it matters much how schooled-on-a-remote-mountain my arty music is

stoke for the shawcross (acoleuthic), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

tbaa = touched by an angel?

Mordy, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

max I think "longer" does = "less accessible" to an extent - even, like, recall when Elvis Costello was making 20-song albums: it was asking a lot of a listener - even saying "look, you don't have to listen to it all at once" is kind of asking for more attention & engagement from the listener than a standard album, which is just, here's a known format, you know what to do, put it on and give it +/- three quarters of an hour, do other stuff while it spins, enjoy.

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah sure

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

id just hope that there is more to the "joanna newsom is getting MORE weird" theory than "she released a triple LP"

max, Sunday, 28 February 2010 20:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

she also puts ketchup on her oatmeal iirc

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

max is the only person who is making any sense in here--the album is broken up into three 6-song discs for those of us who still buy cds--it is extremely accessible.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

all this talk of avant garde/artistic pretensions is insane--she's basically a folk singer.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

doesn't really matter how many records its broken up across, it's still one piece

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

assuming we can still call HOOM qua collection of songs an album

ksh, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

like joanna, i think Mastodon is another band who used to be great with simple weirdo-rock and are now just look silly trying to be a serious, art-prog band.

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:14 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark

also this is wrong in a sense--mastodon has gotten compositionally more "serious" and "prog" but actually their music, part-to-part, is much less intricate. this is why they are an occasionally enjoyable, mor metal band now.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

ksh i don't really want to get into a "what is an album" discussion but the point is that hoom has two logical break points that open wide the door to the listener digesting it in pieces.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:07 (seven years ago)