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so the new xlr8r's cover feature is dubstep...or dubby 2-step a la Horsepower, J Da Flex, Oris Jay, Ghost etc

similarly the new tempa (quickly emerging as the best label in da galaxy) is out...its called "Tales from the Basside"

geeg, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Um.... so in which direction did you want this thread to go?

There's a new piece on Zed Bias/Maddslinky/ Phuturistix etc. at hyperdub which talks a bit about this (as well as many of the articles in their backcatalogue. That they've simultaneously put up an article about MRI & Akufen says everything that needs to be said about Hyperdub, and about my own tastes somewhat.

BTW my "dubstep" (or "yardcore") favourites off the top of my head are:

El-B - Cover Me (Zed Bias Remix)

Zed Bias - Ring The Alarm (first version from 2001)

London Dodgers - Down Down Biznizz

Horsepower Productions - Fists Of Fury

Darqwan - Nocturnal

Tim, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

EZ

JUST GOT MY HORSEPOWER 4BEAT YARDCORE NEW FLESH REMIX OF STICK'N'MOVE IN THE MAIL

BUT TRUST ME ALL THESE PRODUCERS HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO

IF U LOOK AT D&B WHERE MANS LIKE DIGITAL, SPIRIT, TOTAL SCIENCE, PENNY BLACK CREW ETC HAVE BEEN SPECIALISING PON THESE THINGS FOR THE LAST DECADE, THE DUBWISE D&B SIDE IS SIMPLY LIGHTYEARS AHEAD OF THIS CREW

HOW MANY PROPER "DUBSTEP" RELEASES HAVE THERE ACTUALLY BEEN? LESS THAN 20?

YOUR "BEST LABEL IN DA GALAXY" TEMPA ONLY HAS 6 12"S UNDER ITS BELT .. I AINT GONNA FADE THEM COS I GOT 3 OF THEIR RELEASES + THEYRE HEAVY .. BUT COME ON .. AT THE MOMENT THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL BUT I THINK ITS 90% HYPE AND 10% ACTUAL TUNES

SAW AN INTERVIEW WITH THE MAN DIGITAL.. SAID HES BEEN MAKIN A BIT OF 139 BPM STUFF.. TRUST ME THIS IS THE MAN BEHIND SOME OF THE SICKEST DUB+BASS TUNES IN JUNGLE HISTORY.. DEADLINE, SPACEFUNK, SKYLINE, WATERHOUSE DUB, GATEMAN, RAS78.. IF HE COMES THRU AND RELEASES TUNES THEN WATCH OUT.. BIG TINGS AGWARN

BUT THE PRODUCTION STANDARD + CONSISTENCY JUST AINT THERE YET WITHIN THE HANDFUL OF PRODUCERS ALREADY IN THERE

EZ

HUNTA-D, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

AND FINNEY I DONT WANNA HEAR A PEEP OUTA YOU COS U RATE APHRODITE AND THAT JUST SHOWS U FOR DA CHICHI U ARE. U WAN COME TEST ILL DICE U UP FASS. TRUS

HUNTA-D, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
I love this stuff to bits. That Dub War track 'Murderous Style' on Tempa is the cream imo. Also that Jay Da Flex track 'Bison2' on Ghost is just so ridiculously funkily trippy.

alan, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
So...is dubstep boring? This also calls for a definition (even if just for my benefit) because I tend to assume that any fairly bland "grime" tune is actually dubstep.

Fat Alberet (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

dunno really, but that dubstep allstars disc went on and on and on and on and on and on and...but i was asleep way before then.

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

depends what you are into really. . if you like a minimal beats and bass tribal skank, then you will love dubstep just now

if you want mc's chattin then you want grime

if you want slow drum'n'bass then you want breakstep

if you want stiff, dark electro then you want 8bar/dark 4beat

pure grime, Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

most people who slag dubstep off don't smoke weed. . .fair enough

puregrime, Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think producers have gotta get over the floating dub sounds (eg. anything that sounds like "Gorgon Sound") as they seem to clog up dubstep tracks in place of any other treble melodic ideas.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...
(not the most popular dubstep thread but the top one in a google search so...)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/maryannehobbs/

Friday 5 January
Benga and Skream: Interview and Mix

My Koogy Weighs A Ton (koogs), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

never seen this thread before, but this is as good a place as any...

UK Garage Archives

A growing collection of writings on UKG, 2-step, grime and dubstep, including hard-to-find articles, classic pieces that have disappeared, and reports in the North American press.

http://www.riddim.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=6&Itemid=37

(and thanks for the reminder koogs =) )

urge to check sandbox... must resist (fandango), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Riddim.ca is block at my work as a SEX site. Heh.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

REVIVE

in anticipation of new burial and new pinch.

drone/a/sore, Friday, 12 October 2007 19:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

new burial?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 13 October 2007 00:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

drone/a/sore, Saturday, 13 October 2007 02:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't know from dubstep but i love the (first) burial record. what stuff is similar? (i like the kode9 and spaceape one, too)

LaMonte, Saturday, 13 October 2007 04:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

xpost lamonte:: you could check out cyrus/random trio. a little bit more stripped down than the burial stuff but with a similar vibe.

drone/a/sore, Saturday, 13 October 2007 05:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

given i don't actively like the burial or the kode 9 cds you might want to take this with a pinch of salt but... My Demons by Distance is great. also enjoyed the MRK-1 album. both out within a week of each other...

that Box Of Dub compilation may be more your style though - burial, lots of hyperdub, scuba...

koogs, Saturday, 13 October 2007 09:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

Playing the new Box Of Dub comp (vol 2, out late nov I think) now. Pretty good. Much more dub than step in a lot of cases

DJ Mencap, Saturday, 13 October 2007 09:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

TRacklisting BTW:

01. Ramadanman - Every Next Day
02. Pinch (feat.Rudey Lee) - Step 2 it
03. Cult of the 13th Hour - Wickedness
04. Cotti - Tamil Dub
05. Kode 9 - Stung
06. Digital Mystikz - Theif in Da Night
07. Sub Version - Soul Jah Boogie
08. Digital Mystikz - Third One
09. Cotti (feat. Kingpin) - Let Go Mi Shirt
10. Pinch - Chamber
11. Skream - Too Much Sushi

DJ Mencap, Saturday, 13 October 2007 09:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

whats good by pinch?

titchyschneiderMk2, Saturday, 13 October 2007 22:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

> pinch

qawwali is the classic, i think. punisher very good too (must get those remixes...) the new(?) one, pepper spray, i've seen good things written about but haven't heard yet.

koogs, Monday, 15 October 2007 09:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

t/s: dubstep vs nu skool breaks

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 15 October 2007 17:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

For a while I thought the Burial album might be a rumor (with a clue in the title).

roxymuzak, Monday, 15 October 2007 17:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

Qawwali is the best dubstep tune evarrr.

Belisarius, Monday, 15 October 2007 17:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

10 Tons Heavy
http://www2.planet-mu.com/discography/ZIQ195

looks like some kind of best of for planet mu's dubstep artists. tracklisting looks great but i have 60% of it already.

koogs, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 08:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Apart from "Qawwali", my favourite Pinch track (and the most similar to the aforementioned) is his remix of Monkeysteak's "Lighthouse Dub".

Lamonte, if you like the Kode 9/Spaceape stuff I reckon you'd also like Mala's recent solo work quite a bit, although his last 12" wasn't as good as the mammoth Change/Forgive 12".

Tim F, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 09:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Whats good in the hood ?

If you only knew, Saturday, 19 January 2008 23:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hey, remember dubstep?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

martyn's twenty four. theo parrish step. sort of...

resolved, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

whatever happened to that hunta d guy?

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 27 August 2009 17:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think he was a sockpuppet?

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 27 August 2009 23:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

It was so hard to tell back then.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 27 August 2009 23:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha look at this the first thread on dubstep on ILM and look how positive I was!

"AND FINNEY I DONT WANNA HEAR A PEEP OUTA YOU COS U RATE APHRODITE AND THAT JUST SHOWS U FOR DA CHICHI U ARE. U WAN COME TEST ILL DICE U UP FASS. TRUS"

Bless.

Tim F, Friday, 28 August 2009 00:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

For the record, I totally used that 2 live crew "partayyyy" sample in a track well before Falty DL did.

EDB, Friday, 28 August 2009 01:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

hi, guys. i need some recommendation of the best dubstep mixes from 2009. thanks!

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 14 October 2009 01:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

this one's not bad

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 01:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

DJ Pete's first hardwax podcast is quality stuff. Not so keen on the 2nd one though.

Wax Treatment Podcast #001 - DJ Pete

sam500, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 03:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

So my friend asked me to run down a dubstep overview for him, I offered to burn him a 2CD compilation. Not being all that much of an expert, I here appeal to ILM to guide me in making something good; at the moment I'm stuck at this:

disc 1:

Skream - midnight request line
Burial - Archangel
kode9 - 9 samurai
Digital Mystikz - Misty Winter
the bug - Poison Dart
Pinch - Qawalii
Shackleton - Blood on my Hands
Ramadanman - Blimey

Disc 2:
mount kimbie - maybes
darkstar - aidy's girl is a computer
zomby - spliff dub (Rustie Remix)
Untold - Anaconda
Joker and Ginz - Purple City
Ikonika - Please
Martyn - All I have is memories
2562 - dinosaur
peverelist - infinity is now
pangaea - router
appleblim and peverelist - over here

I also want to represent many of the facets of what dubstep has morphed into, but really don't know my way around funky house, and whatever else, which is something I might as well learn about anyways.

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 00:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

As it stands I have like 40 minutes free on the first disc, and 20 on the second, for what it's worth.

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 00:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

You probably want Night by Benga and Coki and Hyph Mngo by Joy Orbison on there.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 00:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

This is a favourite of mine, but it's not a massive anthem or anything:

rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 00:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Night, right. I was thinking about, and probably will ultimately include Emotions by Benga, since it's the only track of his that I've heard that I can stand (and do quite like at that).

Dude already knows about joy orbison, so I opted to leave out the mngo.

Thanks, though!

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 00:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

I also want to represent many of the facets of what dubstep has morphed into, but really don't know my way around funky house, and whatever else, which is something I might as well learn about anyways.

UK funky didn't emerge from dubstep so don't worry. Your second disc is a decent overview of "what dubstep has morphed into" assuming you're trying to repress the existence of the Caspa/Rusko/Distance/Coki etc end of the scene.

If I was gonna add stuff to your comp (which looks good) I'd add:

1) Some early stuff like Horsepower Productions, Zed Bias, DJ Abstract, Artwork etc

2) Some Mala, e.g. "Left Leg Out", "Change", "Forgive" etc.

3) Maybe something more "classic dubstep" sounding but still musical if yr friend likes that kinda thing, e.g. Hotflush label circa 2007 like Vaccine's "Breathless".

Tim F, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 00:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

maybe some Distance (Tuning) and some Vex'd (Crusher Dub) on the first cd. and some MRK-1.

and some moving ninja on the second, ankoku butoh perhaps.

koogs, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 09:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

My faves of the genre tend to feature vocals and a roots-y vibe:

Jkamata + 2000f - "You Don't Know What Love Is"
LV feat. Dandelion - "CCTV"
Uncle Sam - "Round The World Girls" (Tes La Rok VIP Mix)

Also, while many purists despise it, you could put a token jump-up track like "Where's My Money?" by Caspa.

village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 10:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

caspa has some good ones like louder and terminator.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 10:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the recommendations.

I think it's only proper to have some pre 2005 stuff. like horsepower, hatcha, dj abstract, but this is foreign territory to me, I don't know if there are one or two particularly essential tracks...

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 18:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

tbh, for me at least, a lot of that stuff, like the first dubstep allstars comp, and a lot of whats on the roots of dubstep comp, barring a few tracks, its pretty boring. really going nowhere insipid almost chilled out vibey stuff. the 'dread' isnt really that present. stuff like horsepowers golden nugget is classic obv but thats a little bit later. good for mixing id think, to slide into a set, but not that interesting on its own. i know its meant to be more vibey than hit you in the head type music, but it didnt really do that either from where im standing. the stuff guys like skream and benga did early on was much better.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 1 July 2010 10:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, I agree. I think there's too much value put into the "golden age" of dubstep by many.

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 1 July 2010 10:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah its dreary stuff. doesnt work really as uk garage or as dubstep, its just transitional stuff. all those soft wafting dubby chords are pretty snooze inducing.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Why did it take so long for dubstep to get the energy boost it needed to start becoming more accessible to people who weren't interested in "meditating on bass-weight" and just wanted a new beat to step to? It took up to maybe 3-4 years from its inception to become a proper dance phenomenon.

I remember about 2006 inviting a dubstep DJ to open one of my club nights and feeling that the slow drifting sounds were sucking all the energy out of the half-empty room. Nowadays when I invite people from Stink Like Sock to play, they headline the night and it's full of kids going bonkers.

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Scenes have always taken time to build and go overground - dubstep and grime are the most obvious examples - it's just the microscope is on them from the very start now and if they're not massive within months its viewed as a failure.

Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Haha yeah, the first dubstep set I ever saw was sandwiched between DnB and techno at an eclectic warehouse rave and utterly cleared the dancefloor in about thirty seconds. I myself thought it was terribly dull. That must've been 05 or 06.

xpost

rhythm fixated member (chap), Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

There was more dubstep at Glastonbury than there was house or techno, it was kind of annoying.

Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost are you talking about the wobble type stuff? cos old dubsteppers dont like that do they? i like some of it, but a lot is really samey. but then the older dready/oppressive/stiff/dead stuff was bloody samey too. just depends on what same you like. thing is though the early stuff like skream, benga, and even early digital mystikz was pretty dancey. they just ended up getting much much slower during dubstep's 'golden age'.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

wobble as in the mid range end which is the most popular type, obv.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wobble (the LFO-driven buzz-saw stuff like on the Caspa/Rusko Fabric mix, right?) got me listening again tbh, but yeah, it's become just as stale as drum'n'bass did when all the jump-up stuff was flooding in in the mid-late nineties. I was more referring to the incredibly slow, uncatchy drifting bass pads and quasi-arabic rhythms that I first heard on things like the Rephlex "Grime" comp and the early dubstep allstars comps. I just couldn't really get into that no matter how hard I tried. It all sounded way too slow and empty, unstructured almost with all the bass sounds like whales drifting past. It's why when the Caspa/Rusko came along and annoyed all the purists, I didn't really understand. Much more interested in decent rhythms and on-point bass, but there's a bit of a push-pull thing going on between wobble and bass-weight stuff. Too much of either tends to sound either boring or generic.

I won't profess to being an expert, just my views.

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 1 July 2010 12:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, im in a similar boat. liked some of the 'golden age' stuff, but god a lot of it was deathly dull. though naturally you had some good tracks, the emptiness (purposeful or not) of that halfstep era overall was mind numbing. i liked the bass but it was just bass stripped of all its heat, like digidub/jungle for hippies who couldnt take the heaviness of jungle and liked the bass but only as long as everything was nice and comforting. the best stuff i think was what you had on the bingo beats 3 mix, or plasticman and mark one, or early digital mystikz tunes like chainba or b. the more industrial stuff that had something happening rhythmically. the fabric mix is classic really, but too much of what you get now is too formulaic/stupid. alot of what i hear benga and skream play now is just like big beat or stadium dubstep, really awful braindead shit for rock fans.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 1 July 2010 12:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

re: the nice and comforting thing, this has its place of course, and you can look at it as a negative or positive, but its not like even guys like loefah or mala would argue against, theyve all said as much thats what they were going for with their raves. which i mean is nice really, who wants aggro in a club, but the music seemed very self aware of that, to get rid of anything that might inspire a 'bad vibe'.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 1 July 2010 12:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

The first Dubstep Allstars mix is dull but that's not because there's no good early dubstep. First Horsepower Productions album, DJ Abstract's "Touch", the El-B singles on Ghost, stuff like Zed Bias's remix of "Hook & A Line" if it counts.... In general I agree with the argument that the "roots of dubstep" etc are overrated, and of course I prefer 2-step per se but EDB's comp is supposed to be about dubstep not 2-step.

Tim F, Thursday, 1 July 2010 15:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Dubstep bored me silly until I saw Kode9 DJ in 2007, which showed me what it could all be. I agree that it seems the value placed on early stuff seems more of a longing for the past, at least given how much much more interesting I think stuff became as the decade moved on.

Ultimately, though, after some looking around I ended up putting in DJ Abstract's Touch and Horsepower's Classic Deluxe, which do sound pretty 2-steppy, I guess, which is fine by me. I personally had to bite my tongue a few times about certain inclusions; even midnight request line, which is at the beginning of the cd, I feel is there to sort of get it over with. But I'm a latecomer to the genre, and a casual fan at best, so take that as you will.

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Thursday, 1 July 2010 16:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

saying all that though, hatchas practise hours 2005 mix is worth seeking out.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 1 July 2010 16:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

If we're including people like Zed Bias and early El B, I must say I prefer Steve Gurley:


Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 1 July 2010 16:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well, if you're taking recommendations I'd flag that not everyone agrees with the statements above, especially since they're coming from several of the most dubstep-sceptic contributors to ILX lol ("the beginning was not as good as garage, the middle is dull and the end is only funny because it winds up people who liked the beginning and middle, now want to hear my advice on the best bits? oh hang on...")

As a counterweight I'd say: it's not an 'or' decision between UK garage and early dubstep, that both had a variety of highlights, that Dubstep Allstars 1 remains an amazing CD - quite the opposite of the reviews above and if you like it also look for [disclaimer alert] the Roots of El-B and Roots of Dubstep compilations, the Horsepower and two Zed Bias LPs (Maddslinky (about to be re-issued) and Phuturistix - that Hook and a Line remix was an irrelevant afterthought), some of Hatcha's free promo CDs like this one http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2009/11/happy-birthday-i-am-5.html, that the Bingo Beats 3 CD was mostly early instrumental grime and breakstep, that rather than being "classic" that Caspa/Rusko's Fabric CD was just as generic as all the wobble clones that followed it and that of the mid era I'd recommend DMZ releases 1 to about 12.

Martinclark, Friday, 2 July 2010 14:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

but how could it have been generic if they were basically bringing something pretty fresh to dubstep? its not like that sound had already saturated itself and become pointlessly formulaic by that point had it? if you dont like it, fine, but to say it was generic at that early stage of wobble/mid range, is a bit premature.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 2 July 2010 15:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

there was tons of that stuff around at the time, it was generic already: perhaps it was just the first time you'd heard it but it'd been rampant in N Type sets etc for at least a year before. it's probably a function of the fact that it has one general pattern (halfstep drums - drop - large dynamic range change then LFO mid-range bassline) so there wasnt a lot of room to play with...

Martinclark, Friday, 2 July 2010 15:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, the fabric album is still a great mix. i know people were tired of jump up dubstep stuff pretty early on, but generic is an odd criticism to level at dubstep imo, just cos a lot of the mid period stuff which was basically 'eerie fx intro, heavy bass entrance, moody synth layering, back to heavy bass entrance' could be pretty generic itself. i know what youre saying about being more limited/shallow, but genericism is only a weak point if you hate that stuff to begin with.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 2 July 2010 15:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

i liked the idea of dubstep from the beginning, but didn't actually start loving & connecting to actual tracks until a year or two ago (when to my ears it started embracing hip-hop/r&b sounds, different moods, songiness, etc.). if that makes me a dilettante then i'm totally cool w that.

emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Friday, 2 July 2010 15:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Early stuff... I've really really really been digging the Skream track 'Afeks' on Southside Dubstars: http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/servlet/Info?Track=SSDUB007 from way back, but it just got a repress... its got such a killer bump to it. Just bassline, the odd fruity loops bleep, voice sample and an insane bumpy beat that just gets under your skin and makes you move like any good dance music does... I guess it fits insaide that strange area that Martin chats about and links to with the Hatcha mix cd where garage is twisting into dubstep, so the beats have a flex to them and they channel it thru that dark spaced out energy still. So much of my fave dubstep/wot-u-call-it? new and old has that rhythmic flex to it that trys to ballance that bumpy dance floor energy with something a little bit more spaced out.

jimitheexploder, Friday, 2 July 2010 22:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

Forthcoming Skream album is basically a "dubstep...the story so far". there's a bit of everything in there, which is nice because i guess he was its first superstar exponent.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 2 July 2010 22:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

i don't know if i can even bring myself to listen to it. skream is like the personification of the musical peripeteia a lot of mainstream dubstep has undergone. Seeing him in a sparsely attended show in a cramped cellar in 2006 was my road to Damascus moment with dubstep, and seeing him play a set of shit d'n'b, quasi-gabba, & la roux remixes to a stowed club last year was a real nadir for me.

Humbert Humberto Suazo (jim in glasgow), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

like not even a nadir of dubstep. just awful.

Humbert Humberto Suazo (jim in glasgow), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

well, this will happen with acts who make it big unfortunately.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

did people read the mixmag dubstep special? i found it a bit... lacking somewhat. for all of dubstep's innovation and splintering over the last few years, i'm itching for someone to come along and REALLY stir stuff up.

jim - judging by what i've read of your opinions on dubstep, you won't like the new skream. it's very assorted, kinda commercial, not for ass purists AT ALL.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

(ummm... that was supposed to say "bass purists", apologies)

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

I know, I mean I've not heard it but Skream has been really hit and miss for ages for me. Hearing him pull up his Le Roux remix at a DMZ in Leeds about 4 times was so bad it was unture, but then he releases stuff like Minimalistix or the old bits that recently came on Keysound and its alright. I dig lots of early Skream but now I know one in every ten Skream tunes are gonna be worth a listen now. Its kind of a shame but he's still doing his thing and dropping stuff for the heads every now and again, I'd rather it was him doing it and going 'mainstream' than some shite like Doorly or Jackwob. Even Rusko really falls short, Skream is way ahead on his own let alone with the Magnetic Man project with Benga and Artwork, which is signed to some kind of major and has some sort of poppy/dance single in the works by the sounds of things.

Mala's album is out right now btw haha

jimitheexploder, Friday, 2 July 2010 23:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

i know nothing about mala - what's the score there?

apparently rusko is going to be doing stuff with big name pop acts soon - can't remember who it was, but the idea is o_O

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

the mala thing is all old stuff but apart from one track - the last one i think, its all really top quality. no city cycle unfortunately, but from the samples, i dont think theres a low point on there.

"did people read the mixmag dubstep special? i found it a bit... lacking somewhat. for all of dubstep's innovation and splintering over the last few years, i'm itching for someone to come along and REALLY stir stuff up."

yeah but that piece is just another cheerleading piece on dubstep.
for all the new stuffs interesting-ness, not much of it feels that essential really. its like some new eclecticism movement.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 3 July 2010 07:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Skream is way ahead on his own let alone with the Magnetic Man project with Benga and Artwork, which is signed to some kind of major and has some sort of poppy/dance single in the works by the sounds of things.

It's out in a few weeks and is the fucking worst

if I get 1000 followers I will take political action (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 3 July 2010 12:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Rusko's album already has like Gucci Mane on and the Dirty Projectors girl doing cute r'n'b-ish vox - it's not a classic by any stretch but I didn't hate it either and I think he'd potentially turn his hand to legit pop tunes a lot more successfully than that Magnetic Man garbage

if I get 1000 followers I will take political action (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 3 July 2010 12:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

isn't it Britney Spears he's working with?

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Saturday, 3 July 2010 14:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Kindly guide me to more filthy acidic dubstep like Trolley Snatcha:

ὑστέρησις (Sanpaku), Thursday, 29 July 2010 08:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

i dont really have much of a clue about dubstep at the mo. all the wobble mid range stuff sounds fine to me but totally generic. no idea whos doing what. tempted to get that caspa mix cd he put out a while back (if you like trolley snatcha youd prob like that) and maybe the jakes one but thats about it. that first trolleysnatcha track would be better without the ska bits in between.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 July 2010 09:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

You're right titchy. You have no idea.

Jon B (bass), Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

still though, more than you.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 July 2010 12:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol

Jon B (bass), Thursday, 29 July 2010 12:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

"all the wobble mid range stuff sounds fine to me but totally generic. no idea whos doing what. tempted to get that caspa mix"

i rest my case.

Jon B (bass), Thursday, 29 July 2010 13:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

you numpty. i mean i dont have all the tracklists, hence i dont know whose behind every single track i hear.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 July 2010 13:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha
no, it was the
"tempted to get that caspa mix"
that gave the game away

Jon B (bass), Thursday, 29 July 2010 13:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Glad to see that dance music noobians are being kept in check by people like Jon B. I mean, where are they all flocking from?

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2010 13:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

Guessing Jon B is a new account for that twat who got permabanned for making lynching jokes on the n-word thread, if any mods care enough to keep an eye on that

tomas altbrolin (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 29 July 2010 13:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Nah he's been around for ages, he's not a new or old troll or anything just a bit of a knob. He's doing a good job of making me want to side with Titchy though.

Matt DC, Thursday, 29 July 2010 13:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

caspa = CLASSIC

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 July 2010 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

FTR, the Caspa mix that came out not long ago is actually a good laugh and not as obviously generic as one might expect. It's still square-rave and hard beats, but I was surprised to hear Hyph Mngo on it.

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2010 13:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

caspa is actually kinda underrated in a weird (internet) way. though yeah the inclusion of hyph just seems odd. almost apologetic.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 July 2010 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

haven't listened to this new skream disc yet, but i love andy battaglia's emusic review:

As it continues to refract and evolve, the dance-music style known as dubstep has wandered onto a number of intriguing byways. Some artists, like Actress, have stopped worrying over genre and engaged a newly mesmerizing array of timeless, boundless "bass music" sounds. Others, like Zomby, have switched on to the imagined transmissions of zoned-out video-game fiends. Still others, like James Blake and Mount Kimbie, have softened up and set out to make a supremely emotional kind of post-human soul.

Skream never seemed a likely candidate for the latter, but he wasn't exactly a sure thing for any of the others either. It makes a strange kind of sense, then, that he would basically go ahead and do all three — plus a little more on the sides. Not that Outside the Box makes a lot of sense: Indeed, as an album, it's a fractious, fragile and highly fraught mess. But what is dubstep circa 2010 if not a laboratory for various styles and sounds to go wrong — and sound all the more right for their failure?

Skream hails from Croydon, a district within dubstep's formative home city of London. From there, he's helped goose the genre along from its early '00s days as a backdrop for grime to its latter days — pretty much now and counting — as a new form all its own. Starting with his breakout single "Midnight Request Line" in 2005, his records for the timely label Tempa have ranked as important briefings from dubstep's frontline, enough that he's collaborated or shared vinyl space with some of the scene's biggest names (Benga, Shackleton, Loefah) and earned the right to put out a five-volume series of EPs self-importantly titled Skreamizm.

Outside the Box takes bits of Skream's past activity and crams them into one swelling statement of purpose. The style changes drastically, such that a more or less ordinary mid-tempo rap track ("8 Bit Baby," with oddly lifeless vocals by) can shift meaningfully into the haunted and haunting robot sulk of "CPU," which sounds like Kraftwerk coming apart and limping across a desert in the mid-day sun. The latter plays way more to Skream's main strength, which is all the more apparent when he slows things down and gives his spacious atmospheres and evocative rhythms room to breathe. To that end, it's easy to imagine some sort of oddball hit status for "Where You Should Be," a plaintive ballad that matches missing-you vocals to rainbow-colored synth oscillations, melancholic sub-bass, and a beat that thwacks with a short-story's worth of exposition and mood.

Not all of Skream's best moments are slow. "How Real" jumps and jags through a hyper mix of chopped-up vocals, while tracks like "Listenin' to the Records on My Wall" play teeth-gnashing tribute to the early '90s heyday of jungle and hardcore rave. Nor are all his moments even close to best: "Finally," a collaboration with La Roux, wanders too far toward overwrought trance treacle, and the quasi-ambient interlude "Metamorphosis" doesn't do much more than "quasi-ambient interlude" might suggest.

But even the album's missteps, such as they are, show Skream as an ambitious and big-minded producer trying to make the most of where dubstep stands to go. There's a geeky sense of excitement and curiosity in both his reaching and his over-reaching, and his ears are clearly open and attuned.

dubstep is late fall/winter music, anyway.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 13 August 2010 18:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Really liking the LHF 12 inch on Blackdown's label. Chimes in well with my personal Metalheadz revival this past month.

Tim F, Sunday, 15 August 2010 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

d00ds, I heard ABAGA Records was permasonned by ILX moderators in a spamming beef O_O

markers, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Loving this Ramadanman tune at the mo:

A brownish area with points (chap), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm really hit and miss with him but 'pitter' is amazing

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 14:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

LHF "EP2:The Line Path" [Keysound Recordings]

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Martinclark, Friday, 22 October 2010 09:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Pinch's album is currently £3.49 on iTunes. Haven't heard it, but seems like a bargain to me. DLing now.

A brownish area with points (chap), Friday, 5 November 2010 15:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

way late to the party but what does retina think of oneman's rinse mix CD.

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 November 2010 03:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

er ... that should be "everyone" ... stupid iphone spellcheck!!

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 November 2010 03:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

I always have time for Oneman and his Rinse entry is solid stuff. Could probably have done without the ubiquitous Hyph Mngo and the vocals on The Detatchments track near the beginning are jarring to say the least.

I miss his epic 2-step / dubstep blends from a couple of years back but I guess he had to move on from there (the transition from Zomby's 'Rumours & Revolutions' into Efdemin on this mix is sublime).

He promised us a new Autumn mix on his twitter feed a few weeks back haven't seen anything yet.

sam500, Monday, 8 November 2010 07:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Oney in the mix for XLR8R. My year is now complete.

http://www.xlr8r.com/podcast/2010/12/oneman

01 Bad Autopsy "Callback" (Ramp)
02 Instra:mental "Talkin' Mono" (NonPlus+)
03 Joy Orbison "GR Etiquette"
04 SBTRKT "2020" (Brainmath)
05 Unknown "Sicko Cell"
06 Boddika "When I Dip" (NonPlus+)
07 El-B & Juiceman "Buck & Bury" (Ghost)
08 Unknown "Mellotroid"
09 FaltyDL "Doo Wop"
10 Pearson Sound "Blanked" (Hessle Audio)
11 Girl Unit "IRL" (Night Slugs)
12 Amerie "One Thing" (French Fries Remix)"
13 Ill Blu "Pull It (Instrumental)" (It's Funky)
14 The Touch "Bodies Waiting (French Fries Remix)"
15 Redlight "MDMA" (Polydor)
16 SX vs. Ramadanman "Woooo Glut"
17 Desto & Jimi Tenor "Doorlock Riddim"
18 Shortstuff & Mickey Pearce "Tripped Up (Ramadanman Re-edit)" (Ramp)
19 Jay Weed "The Naos" (502)
20 Benga "Skank" (Big Apple)
21 Toasty "Skinny" (Destructive)
22 Mala "City Cycle" (Tectonic)

sam500, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 08:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

this track has been on repeat for a while... dunno if it is technically dubstep (it is Skream)... feel like this is where the genre should be leaning tho... fuck that wobble insanity.. shit hurts my ears...

the knicks ain't that bad, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

this tune by Objekt is pretty amazing -- mournful arps, huge jet engine bass drops and subtle amen flourishes

http://soundcloud.com/keinobjekt/objekt001b-tinderbox-m

missingNO, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 05:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Skream album is milquetoast shite on the whole - I can barely make it through a track without skipping. That said I did play out a kind of mashup of "Wut" and "Wibbler" over NYE which went down nicely.

Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 10:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

that Objekt track just popped up in a boomkat mailout

http://boomkat.com/downloads/372910-objekt-objekt-ep1

koogs, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 14:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

where is hunta-d when we need him most.

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 15 August 2011 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 00:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think that's Burial.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 00:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think I kind of have an idea in that context-clue kinda way, but can somebody explain what "brostep" is? I saw it on a placard as a category in a record store and had to stare at it for a minute to make sure it was real.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 16 August 2011 00:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like wobbled-out stupid cheesy dubstep.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 00:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

is it brostep?

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 00:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

SEXY DUBSTEP

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 01:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw is that a fort thunder pic?

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha ha!

geeta, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

LHF "Keepers of the Light" out today: http://boomkat.com/downloads/501517-lhf-keepers-of-the-light

Akashic Visions video here:

Martinclark, Monday, 2 April 2012 12:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

when did dubstep become trance? i missed that part

http://soundcloud.com/michaelscott/losing-my-chainsaw

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 April 2012 23:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

WONKA Nerds 2012 TV Commercial

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think that before inventing the genre Dubstep he was planning on how to invent the genre dubstep with his song scary monsters and nice sprites : I think that is was he did before

Source(s):
My knowledge

7 months ago

contenderizer, Saturday, 7 July 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

can't believe this thread was started 10 years ago. venerable dubstep. aged dubstep.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 July 2012 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

ten years for skrillex nation to be born. sorry, grime, we're picky here.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 July 2012 19:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

hauntologic anciency

contenderizer, Saturday, 7 July 2012 19:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Devolution into brostep, definitely sadder and weirder than "Emo" devolving into manga-glam nu-metal-pop.

Soundslike, Sunday, 8 July 2012 14:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

so...there's a Brand Nubian dubstep remix album

weird

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

i love how dubstep is a thing that's just plugged into music now

umair coque (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 May 2013 22:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

brb, going to kmart for a six pack of dubsteps

umair coque (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 May 2013 22:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Cheesy dubstep drops have even made it into Eurovision now, I noticed last night.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 19 May 2013 13:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

every second song, whether it belonged there or not

'oh noes there's a four second lull in this ballad, chuck a wub in there'

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 19 May 2013 13:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

one song (norway?) even sounded completely finished, but with a sheet of dubstep just draped over it for no reason

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 19 May 2013 13:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

Dog latin today confirmed dubstep was over rip

a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 12:01 (5 months ago) Permalink

ps idk what is dubstep but

a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 12:02 (5 months ago) Permalink

Brostep lives.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 31 January 2014 12:04 (5 months ago) Permalink

dog latin OTM

doglato dozzy (dog latin), Friday, 31 January 2014 12:23 (5 months ago) Permalink

It has left a legacy though. Something like the Maya Jane Coles album, which is not dubstep, is quite influenced by its mood and textures.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 1 February 2014 14:26 (5 months ago) Permalink


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