NEW AMERYKAH, POLL 1 (4th World War)

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
The Healer 13
Soldier 5
The Cell 4
Telephone 3
Twinkle 3
Me 2
That Hump 1
Master Teacher 0
Amerykahn Promise 0
My People 0
Honey 0


mujeres con dos, tres, quatro, cinco tetas (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

"The Cell" blows my mind everytime I hear it

mujeres con dos, tres, quatro, cinco tetas (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Me" is the perfect sequel to "On and On" -- the story, taken up 10 years later.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

a bit more coherent, even

mujeres con dos, tres, quatro, cinco tetas (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Healer, hands down. I love the album as a whole but there's something really entrancing about the repetitive mantra and Erykah's tone. After that, Amerykahn Promise and the bit at the end of Me about her mother where she's improvising with the trumpet.

the other Alex in MTL, in fact (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

"That Hump"

Put A Ring On It (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

"The Healer" reminds me of those second or third tracks on Maxiquaye: it's eerie, displaced, ethereal in an almost metallic way, and sexy in a way you can't place.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

My second pick would be "Soldier", with the bridge that keeps on going through several points that you expect it to end, getting denser and more jumbled all the while.

mujeres con dos, tres, quatro, cinco tetas (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

soldier! is like my favourite song this year. it's so good to walk the streets to. there's that little passage of ooh-a-ooh, hey, hey, uhha-rr, hey, hey, up there with like ain't no mountain high enough in abstract noise making terms.

schlump, Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Healer" is just sublime.

maciej recognizing trill, Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

I vote "whole album," but "The Cell" is otherworldly.

Eric H., Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

I also love the Obama intro to "Soldier."

Eric H., Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

fwiw, I don't think that's Obama

mujeres con dos, tres, quatro, cinco tetas (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

Shoot. I guess I fixated on the word "change" and assumed it was him. I don't recognize the speech and the clip's too short.

Eric H., Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

i vote whole album, too. HOW CAN I CHOOSE?

horseshoe, Saturday, 25 October 2008 05:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

"That Hump" because of the Switch "I Call Your Name" 'sample'.

I really wish the tracks developed more, though. "The Cell" obviously has a sweet bass line, but the track just repeats the whole way through! I just wish the grooves went somewhere.

Patrick South, Saturday, 25 October 2008 05:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

i chose telephone, but really this whole album is genius.

MacElby's Puddin'© (stevie), Saturday, 25 October 2008 12:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

where's 'real thang'? it's not my favourite but it's just so righteous - i think it and 'honey', the most straightforwardly tuneful tracks on the album, work really well as bonus tracks. 'real thang' is endlessly quotable too - "got to balance your chakra, raise your octave to opera", "your double helix gon' triple", "shatter glasses like ella" and most of all the spoken ad libs: "sir, i think you better tell your soldiers that they need to - FALL BACK! cuz we comin' with a centrifugal force, it's about to get metaphysical y'all"

anyway it's between 'the cell', 'the healer' and 'soldier' for me, but more than any other album this year it just feels wrong to pinpoint particular favourites, it's such a cohesive work overall.

lex pretend, Saturday, 25 October 2008 18:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

i dont have real thang on my copy!

t_g, Saturday, 25 October 2008 18:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

holy shit. just found real thang. it's the b-side to "the healer" 12" righteous is right. DAMN. is this supposed to be off of part 2 or something? and when do we get return of the ankh anyway?

the other Alex in MTL, in fact (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 25 October 2008 19:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think "Real Thang" (which I haven't heard) is only on socialist British pressings or some shit like that.

R$ (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 October 2008 19:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

didn't she do that with i want you on worldwide underground?, too?
kinda makes me wish i hadn't waited to move to america before buying a copy.

schlump, Saturday, 25 October 2008 21:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

"I Want You" is right in the middle of my American copy of WWU. Best song on the album, too.

R$ (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 October 2008 21:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

ah o k. i haven't got that one yet, i'm not sure why i thought so. maybe there are other bonus tracks on uk one. such a perfect song:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1uxsc_erykah-badu-i-want-you_music

schlump, Saturday, 25 October 2008 22:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

"That Hump"

― Put A Ring On It (The Brainwasher), Friday, October 24, 2008 10:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

joe 40oz (deej), Saturday, 25 October 2008 22:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

"the cell", but having to pick one is near impossible

tricky, Sunday, 26 October 2008 02:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha 'real thang; is uk-only'?! i will upload tomorrow when not fall over drunx

lex pretend, Sunday, 26 October 2008 02:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

UH HUH

lex pretend, Sunday, 26 October 2008 02:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think i want to vote for "the healer" now

tricky, Sunday, 26 October 2008 02:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

Twinkle- i love the eerieness of the production, the way her voice gets twisted all the way through the song and that verse about warlocks and witches with ill glitches.

Christyles, Sunday, 26 October 2008 05:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

Telephone

LIL HOOSANE (PappaWheelie V), Sunday, 26 October 2008 05:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't know why, but nothing on the album has grabbed me yet -- I think my ears are so conditioned to track-only, singles listening that stuff just blows by if there's not a hook (i.e. I'd vote for "whole album" too). Looking for "Real Thang" now -- on the version I have there's a track just listed as "Bonus Track," but that appears to be "Honey"

mitya, Sunday, 26 October 2008 06:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

this album is great... i voted for "soldier," though it was really a tie between it, "the healer" and "the cell"

Professor Respect, Sunday, 26 October 2008 06:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Me was a close 2nd

LIL HOOSANE (PappaWheelie V), Sunday, 26 October 2008 06:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

'real thang'

lex pretend, Sunday, 26 October 2008 09:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

Telephone

Pottie Skippen (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 26 October 2008 11:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

hip-hop
is bigger than religion

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Sunday, 26 October 2008 13:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

master teacher pt 2.

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 26 October 2008 13:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

Right I just listened to this to decide. It's Me, The Cell or 2nd part of Master Teacher... or Telephone.. one of those anyway.

mmmm, Sunday, 26 October 2008 17:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

cell is way overrated. it sounds like something from 91.

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 26 October 2008 19:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm compelled to admit I prefer the tornadic first half of "master teacher," just to balance the scales.

Eric H., Sunday, 26 October 2008 19:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

cell nu amerykah pt. 1 is way overrated.
― titchyschneiderMk2

I think this is what you meant to write.

Eric H., Sunday, 26 October 2008 19:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Plus, sounds like 1991 sounds like awesome.

Eric H., Sunday, 26 October 2008 19:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

yep

Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Sunday, 26 October 2008 19:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

"The Cell" sounds like something from 1973, specifically, something by Stevie Wonder.

R$ (The Reverend), Sunday, 26 October 2008 21:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

stevie wonder was using lightweight breakbeats and blanded out synths in 1973?

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

the whole album sounds like it wishes it lived back in 1973. is that good or bad? i dunno. but that doesn't mean i wouldn't take Call Me and Fresh (and Burnin') over this had ir been released then.

THE TOWER OF HUMANOID ANTIBODIES!!! (Ioannis), Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

there are about 3 or 4 tracks tops that sound like they could have been made back then. even then, only amerykahn promise sounds *properly* retro, everything else in that old school soul/jazz/funk vein sounds like its been made recently.

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Cell has synths?

Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

The wobbly bassline and finger snaps in "The Healer" set an incredibly nice vibe in the room everytime i put this on, so I'm going with that. I must say, I don't really like the first track, though. I think it's a little too aggressive sounding, and seems out of place with the rest of the album.

Dan S, Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 30 October 2008 00:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 31 October 2008 00:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

i am pretty cool with these results, aside from "Honey" getting shafted

some dude, Friday, 31 October 2008 00:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah wtf?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 31 October 2008 00:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

well i'm not saying that's surprising, generally i think people who know an album won't vote for the single in a poll like this even if they like it

some dude, Friday, 31 October 2008 00:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also, "Honey" kind of feels like an addendum to, rather than a component of the album.

Gene Amondson (The Reverend), Friday, 31 October 2008 06:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

wtf, people; this is the only thread where we can specifically talk about this album!!?

anyhow, i din't want to sidetrack the whatcha listening to thread any further... so i'll post this here instead:

"New Amerykah makes me think of something Matos told me about Sign O the Times: "You will never get to the bottom of that album." It is the meatiest album I've heard in a long time."

sure. but so what? the main difference between the two, for me, being that SotT has at least ten GRATE songs on it; whereas, New Amerykah... has what esactly??? i mean, i keep waiting for the damn songs to sink in, but it just ain't happening. yet.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 13:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

SotT has at least ten GRATE songs on it; whereas, New Amerykah... has what esactly???

11.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 13:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

i mean, i keep waiting for the damn songs to sink in, but it just ain't happening. yet.

I don't know how long you've had it, but it took me about 3 months to realize this album's greatness.

The stic.man from the hilarious 'Dead Prez' albums (some dude), Thursday, 13 November 2008 13:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

hahaha--now if only i could remember any of them...

xp

i've had it since March. :(

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 13:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

took me 1 listen

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

well yeah, it sounded good right off the bat for me as well; i just don't get any of this "album of the year" nonsense.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

Album of the year nothing. This is an all-timer.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

gah! the love you guys express for this makes me feel like i'm listening to an entirely different album. hey, maybe that's it...

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

i loved Mama's Gun, btw.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's been my experience here on ILX that those most strenuously resisting this album are also those who can't get beyond Mama's Gun (which I love also, but I've moved on).

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

but i'm not resisting it, strenuously or otherwise; it just doesn't seem to want to sink in for me. also, after eight months of trying to “get it”, i figure the problem must be with the album itself, and not with any unwarranted expectations i may have brought to the tale.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Look, if you don't like it, it's all good!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

don't get an aneurysm forcing yourself to like it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

believe me, I felt the same way the first few weeks I was listening to it and not understanding all the crazy praise. I think it clicked one day when I had it on in the car. but yeah, like Alfred said, not worth forcing it if it's not happening.

forkslovetofuk (some dude), Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha, no. i'm just surprised with all the love it’s been receiving 'round about these parts. for me, it seems like the kind of record people will be denouncing five years (or so) down the line.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

And won't you be really happy when that happens.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe it will be seen as overblown and slightly embarrassing in place but it's nowhere near as much those things as, say, The Love Below and probably better written and produced than that too.

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

xpost Anyway, no need to pull this misunderstood minoritarian act. The anemic results of this poll bear out the fact that you're hardly alone in not being moved by this record.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

just put soldier on your headphones and bop around the streets to it, you'll love it. mmm, telephone, too, when it's early.

schlump, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

no. honestly i'm glad that people reaqlly love it, i just wish i understood why is all. no big deal. this too shall pass.

xxxp

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

anemic? 30 votes for a poll about an album that's only a few months old ain't bad.

xpost

forkslovetofuk (some dude), Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Everything that falls short of the Now! poll results numbers is pretty anemic to me.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Healer is a highlight but i don't think of it as being as much of a standout as these votes indicate. the main reason it's my year favourite is because i don't think there's a real dip and every track has some distinct value and power thru various means.

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

the main reason it's my year favourite is because i don't think there's a real dip and every track has some distinct value and power thru various means.

O! T! M!

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

i did not vote in this poll because i could not choose!

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

"The Healer" is really just the song that pops into my head when I think about this album.

forkslovetofuk (some dude), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

i now associate 'The Healer' with being at the edge of Lake Brienz in the Swiss Alps. Shit is TRANQUIL.

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

the healer is a huge standout for me.

Jordan, Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

I love the hell out of "The Healer," but I have to admit preference for some of the album's denser, Sa-Ra-ian tracks.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

love that dilla/sa-ra drunken 8th note thing

Jordan, Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

Every time this thread gets bumped, I start humming "The Healer". Sometimes I follow that with "The Cell", but I always default to "The Healer".

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think i voted for 'the cell' or 'soldier' here but it's one of those rare albums which makes such sense in its totality that picking individual peaks feels sort of wrong...what blows my mind is how stellar its components are, but the whole is somehow even more than just the sum of them.

lex pretend, Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

I had a bit of a slow uptake, too, but at this point I can't identify an album released this decade that means as much to me. I just posted this in the other thread last night.

yall have no idea how much this record speaks to me... I might even say it feels like its ABOUT me

― mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:53 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I feel like, amazing new developments aside, this record perfectly encaptures how it feels to be black in america in 2008

― mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:55 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The album it reminds me most of is Curtis. While the makers of both records are quick to detail our social ills, neither sounds, for even a second, like they don't believe we can overcome them.

― mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:35 AM Bookmark

Another thing is, despite all the social commentary, it's never didactic (not that there's anything wrong with that, I mean Public Enemy were didactic), the whole thing feels so personal at every level.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 22:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

And there are so many easter eggs, lyrically and sonically! I always discover something new when I listen to it. It's a complex motherfucking work. Just about a week ago, I first noticed that "My People" ends with the words "Good morning. Did you have a Dream?" And I capitilize Dream intentionally, because whether she was referring to the American (Amerykahn?) Dream or, I think more likely, MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech, she intends to load the word with more meaning than its M-W definition would indicate.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah absolutely - i get annoyed when people overuse adjectives like "meaningful" but it absolutely applies to new amerykah in the sense that every word, note, inflection, every last detail in the arrangement is there for a reason, and even the most minute element of it can spark off these chains of thought just like yours

lex pretend, Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, even things in the sequencing. It's no accident that "Me" is followed by "My People". She's already claimed her people as her in the former song. "I salute you [insert your name here] because you are me". It's also no mistake that she goes from grown folks acting all niggerish and not taking responsibility for their kids in "The Cell" to lamenting how those same kids "don't know their language...don't know their god" in "Twinkle" to the epiphany of "wait....what if there were no niggers, only master teachers?"

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

there's some amazingly subtle towards Dilla on the album, too, like how 'My People' is based on the Eddie Kendricks track 'People Hold On' that Dilla sampled on Donuts. There's snippets of Badu singing on Madlib's new Beat Konduktah tape too, which is a Dilla tribute.

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

subtle nods towards

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

The sirens at the beginning of "Telephone" cribbed straight from Donuts!

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

egggggsactly! god, i love this album. i highly reccommend the dil cosby suite album too; its really strangely moving.

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

dil cosby suite album?

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

sure. but so what? the main difference between the two, for me, being that SotT has at least ten GRATE songs on it; whereas, New Amerykah... has what esactly??? i mean, i keep waiting for the damn songs to sink in, but it just ain't happening. yet.

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― Ioannis, Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:47 AM Bookmark

I'm getting at this above, but a marked difference between Sign O the Times and New Amerykah is that the songs on SOtT are very discrete, whereas the songs on NA heavily rely upon each other for contextual clues and inferences, building upon each others' ideas. So, while both albums are very rich experiences, they operate in different ways.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Onomatopoeia of the police's shotguns: "BANG BANG" ["The Cell"]
Onomatopoeia of Erykah's shotguns: "BLLLLACK" ["Soldier"]

Little touches like ^^^ make this album.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

dil cosby suite is the new madlib beat konduktah album, on stones throw...

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'll have to check that out, even though I'm not generally a huge fan of Madlib's solo work.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

there's not a lot of erykah on there, just little glimpses and slivers, but she's there. makes sense, what with them working together, and both being friends of dilla's.

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

aaaarrrggg! see, this is exactly why i feel like i'm somehow being left out by not "getting" the damn thing; you all make it sound like it's the best album to come along since There's a Riot Going On (or Maxinequay maybe). still, truth be told, i'd much rather read what Rev has to say about New Amerykah than actually listen to it. (ok, preferably, i'd like to do both simultaneously...but whatever.)

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

Can I mention how much I love ?uestlove's drumming on "Telephone"? Between that and "75 Bars" and "Lay It Down", dude has done all my favorite drumming this year.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Friday, 14 November 2008 00:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

"I got love for my folks/ Baptized when the levy broke"

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Friday, 14 November 2008 00:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

"MORE ACTION. MORE EXCITEMENT. MORE EVERYTHING."

^^^otm

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Friday, 14 November 2008 00:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

"I got love for my folks/ Baptized when the levy broke"

and THEN the spooky backing vox come in

the sudden burst of emotion on "to my boys in iraqi fields/this ain't no time to kill", too

lex pretend, Friday, 14 November 2008 00:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

also the incredible amounts of righteousness and compassion in equal measure - "to my girls on prescription pills", you wait for the advice but it's just that tender "i know how you feel", but ultimately she's still got the shotgun on everyone's back

lex pretend, Friday, 14 November 2008 00:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

That whole bridge is incredible. It just keeps going and building higher through several points when it might end. Even though she repeats the mantra of "Get your money, dollar bill y'all", she warns to stay vigilant even once you've attained that Amerykan Promise, because this is Amerykah and it could all come crashing down at any moment, expecially with a little bit of help. And that shotgun on your back: not a threat; a promise. Btw, Erykah is quite good at the use of spooky background vox.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Friday, 14 November 2008 01:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'd never thought I might describe drum programming this way, but the unadorned, static beat somehow seems kind of......stoic.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Friday, 14 November 2008 01:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

here's a taste of "Real Thang" for all y'all Amerykahns:

Ioannis, Friday, 14 November 2008 12:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

i uploaded it upthread! http://www.sendspace.com/file/d94lbq

lex pretend, Friday, 14 November 2008 12:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

naughty

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Friday, 14 November 2008 12:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

hmm, that's odd, Rev says he still hasn't heard it.

xp

Ioannis, Friday, 14 November 2008 12:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

yahhh, I think I just forgot to check it out earlier... this is alright I guess, seems kinda repetitive

launch me into spaaaaaaaaaaace (The Reverend), Friday, 14 November 2008 20:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, if this had been on the album, it would've been my last-placer. But it's still pretty good.

Eric H., Friday, 14 November 2008 20:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

honey underrated

sofa king (deej), Friday, 14 November 2008 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's a total jam... ends the album on a real keepin' it positive note

and somewhat dude (The Reverend), Friday, 14 November 2008 21:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

No votes for honey???

ilxor, Thursday, 25 December 2008 17:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

This album is so fucking great, btw.

ilxor, Thursday, 25 December 2008 17:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

I adore Honey, but I think that for whatever reason it feels like a separate entity from the album as a whole. It really is a bonus track, in the truest sense of the word. So when I'm picking a favourite track, or thinking about New AmErykah at all, Honey just doesn't figure in.

the other Alex in MTL, in fact (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 25 December 2008 18:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

re-poll. how did the first track not get a vote?

"made smashable" (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

re-poll. how did the first track not get a vote?

'cause it's such a beatjack i'm guessing

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

who cares if it's a beatjack? the reason it didn't get any votes is because it fundementally functions as an intro

The Reverend, Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

the part i love about that song the most is the dude in the background. makes me smile every time. the little girl at the end, too

"made smashable" (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure that all those voices are Erykah's sped up or slowed down.

The Reverend, Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wonder about that myself; I haven't heard the original Ayers track and had kind of assumed some of the voices had come from it, but maybe not.

Matos W.K., Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Part 2 is apparently due Feb. 17--day before my birthday! 8-D

Matos W.K., Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

The backup voices ("Promise promise"..."Give you my eyes", etc) are on the original track, the rest is Badu being "THE MAN" and "THE LITTLE GIRL".

Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

Matos:

The Reverend, Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I figured I'd like Erykah's version better, and I do. Thanks, Rev!

Matos W.K., Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

thx for the info

"made smashable" (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

Part 2 is apparently due Feb. 17

This news just made my Christmas complete.

Eric H., Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't hold my breath for that Feb 17th release, but here's hoping.... You can listen to her performing a snippet of the (reported) single "Jump in the Air... Stay There" here:

descendent of warlocks (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

huh i can't believe i didn't realise the reason part 2 never came out was b/c duhhh she got knocked up.

'honey' is positioned perfectly on the album, i adore it. "all i gotta do, is add a lil' lemon..."

lex pretend, Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

there should be an option for second-part-of-master-teacher. it deserves its own title.

schlump, Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

the Seiji remix of Honey is lovely.

danzig, Thursday, 25 December 2008 21:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I figured I'd like Erykah's version better, and I do. Thanks, Rev!

― Matos W.K., Thursday, December 25, 2008 2:10 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

huh? its basically the same thing

choom gangsta (deej), Thursday, 25 December 2008 21:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

I like the overdubs and the way it leads off the album--and the album it leads off. I'm not being that serious anyway.

Matos W.K., Friday, 26 December 2008 05:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Man, The Healer and Soldier are still my favourites, but the brilliance of Telephone, which had previously been kind of impenetrable, has finally unfurled itself. Front half of the album is more immediate, but the back half may be more rewarding in the long term. Time will tell.

the other Alex in MTL, in fact (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 26 December 2008 07:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

there should be an option for second-part-of-master-teacher. it deserves its own title.

I'm sure I voted for "The Cell," but part one of "Master Teacher" in standalone would've been a strong contender.

Eric H., Friday, 26 December 2008 07:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

I am blown away that Deej has never heard of a remix before! That is new information!

Dimension 5ive, Friday, 26 December 2008 14:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

if i heard a remix that only added some pitch shifted talking over the top, i would be like "hey that's a pretty lame remix"

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 26 December 2008 16:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

and yet this track ends up being really really great, so go figure

Dimension 5ive, Friday, 26 December 2008 16:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Judging "Amerykahn Promise" against the original, as opposed to for it's function in the context of this album is a willful fool's errand.

CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (The Reverend), Friday, 26 December 2008 21:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

i know what you guys are saying here, i mean i like lil wayne's version of "shooter" way more than the robin thicke original, and that uses the original track in its entirety. but in this case it's not really an improvement imo, and i like the original better.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 26 December 2008 21:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

And most of the rest of us on this thread disagree, and that is what makes this world a beautiful place.

Dimension 5ive, Friday, 26 December 2008 21:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

you guys are weirdos. the song isnt better as a throwaway intro track

choom gangsta (deej), Friday, 26 December 2008 23:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

i dont even like the ramp album that much and im kinda in the 'overrated' camp (i actually prefer that 12" that was just reissued this/last? year to pretty much any of the songs on the album) but she just jacked the song wholesale and stuck it at the front of her album w/ talking over it. its not a 'remix'

choom gangsta (deej), Friday, 26 December 2008 23:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

you know whats really great? that remix of the wildstyle theme at the beginning of illmatic ^__^

choom gangsta (deej), Friday, 26 December 2008 23:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

i hate the fact i have to sit through georgia annes shite to get through to the (infinitely better) second part of master teachers each time.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 13:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Need to revisit the whole album--looking back it seems like I felt it was 2/3 fantastic, 1/3 filler, and just when it would get going perfect (like "The Healer,") it seems like it would meander greatly. . . and the RAMP cover would've been a stronger opening without all the talk over it. 'Mama's Gun' is certainly a top 5 or 10 album of the 2000s for me; seems like if there'd been no Part 1 and Part 2 for this, but just the strongest work from both, this album might have been top 10, too. As a loving tribute to J-D, though, it's beautiful even as is.

Soundslike, Monday, 5 January 2009 13:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

the ramp cover is not a cover, it is the ramp song.

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

ie without the talk over it, would've been another artist's cut from another album

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

also there is no filler on this album, to my ears, tho the mileage can and obviously does vary

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

also georgia anne ROCKS

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

i hate the fact i have to sit through georgia annes shite to get through to the (infinitely better) second part of master teachers each time.

I hate that I have to hit skip about 3-minutes into "Master Teacher." Oh well.

Eric H., Monday, 5 January 2009 15:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

first part of master teacher VERSUS even better sly stone groove second part of master teacher would be a better poll.

does anyone hating the ramp track ever listen to those ghostface records where he pushes play and raps on top? how do you live with yourselves?

schlump, Monday, 5 January 2009 17:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

The second half of "Master Teacher" sounds a lot like an auto-accompaniment setting on this Casio I used to have. (NB: This is awesome.)

xhuxk e. xheese (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

didn't she record some of the album on garageband, appara?

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've heard that she wrote a lot of it on Garageband (like, as demos), but I don't know how much of that made it onto the album proper.

xhuxk e. xheese (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

quite a bit of it, id say. a lot of it has that slightly headphone masterpiece-y, getting these ideas down and not bothering to change them afterwards feel to it.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

saying 'filler' feels very wrong. you can say songs you dont like or whatever but when a project is so self-aware + 'artiste'-ish "filler" just feels like the totally wrong word to indicate what you're trying to say here. "I need to fill up this album to be released from my record contract!"??? really?

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah..."filler" is a pretty abstract concept in general, but when you're talking about an album that's the first in a series of 2 or 3 albums that the artist made in the same timeframe, it's an even more amorphous idea.

some dude, Monday, 5 January 2009 18:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

does anyone hating the ramp track ever listen to those ghostface records where he pushes play and raps on top? how do you live with yourselves?

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I keep wondering this. As for the "filler" charges, the album is FAR FAR MORE than the sum of its parts. Each song greatly effects the context of the others and this goes for the weaker songs as well as for the stronger. Also, those you don't like part 1 of "Master Teacher" are utter raving lunatics.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

erykah's pitch-shifted voices don't add anywhere near as much as a ghostface rap

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes they do. It sets up the whole album, and is pretty damn funny to boot.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

I always skip the intro but I don't hate it; I just always want to start out on "The Healer".

^likes black girls (HI DERE), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

(then usually I skip back to the beginning of "The Healer" and listen to it again)

^likes black girls (HI DERE), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

^this (rev). they still make me smile/loosen me up/get me ready for the record even now

k3vin k., Monday, 5 January 2009 18:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

"does anyone hating the ramp track ever listen to those ghostface records where he pushes play and raps on top? how do you live with yourselves?"

i hate those too actually, although i prefer erykahs song more, just cos its still a great song. but soul and hip hop have diff rules. its not even the same thing actually - erykah isnt singing over the vocals of the ramp song like ghostface was, just the instrumental parts.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Okay, now you've gone from RONG (opinion-wise) to RONG (factually). She does talk over the vocals from the RAMP song.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also, neither soul or hiphop have rules.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

first track is really my favourite because of the impact on first listen and yeah it's the most FUN(k) thing on this

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

^^^

Some people on this thread sound like:

I refuse to accept recontexualisation.

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Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

I like every last thing on this album. If I denigrate the second half of "Master Teacher," it's only to counteract the bizarre anti-first-half sentiment.

Eric H., Monday, 5 January 2009 18:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

ok i cant remember right now if she talks over the original vocals or not. either way, that song just felt a bit 'hammy' (despite being one of my fave songs on the album, flaws and all, just cos its so fierce and as said above, FUNKY). sort of like the neosoul equivalent of a tarantino film. its amazing live though. she should have done it with the band on the record. the reason i said rules is cos neo soul artists always pride themselves on continuing in the tradition of the greats, but i dont really equate singing over old funk/soul loops as being in that tradition. but then i remember erykahs been singing over loops since the first album, as have several other, so, hey, that little bug bear of mine doesnt really mean much.

the 1st half of master teacher is fine, i like the woozy loop, but the second half is divine.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes, the first half has a bizarre half-dreamy, half-clumsy lope that I love.

Eric H., Monday, 5 January 2009 18:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't think (m)any people here are saying that track 1 sucks, just that it being heavily sample-based makes it harder to call it a "song" rather than an "intro," or at least not one of the best songs or a favorite.

some dude, Monday, 5 January 2009 18:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

georgia anne still sucks though lol. i like the fact that theres someone singing so fucking weirdly, just not the actual singing.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

dudes it's not like i don't get sampling/recontextualization, come on. i just think it's a really lazy track and i wish she would have done more to make it her own.

xp

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

I have no problem with that. I more or less regard it as an intro myself, but DAMN WHAT AN INTRO. xxp

Georgia Anne rox u r all gay.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

The effort isn't the point, the point is that it does what it does, which is set the record off in tremendous fashion.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

okay. maybe i will just kick off my next album off with a prince track.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

That would be awesome!

^likes black girls (HI DERE), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

if you can make it that funny and enjoyable then GLHF! xp

k3vin k., Monday, 5 January 2009 18:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Blatant reducto ad absurdium.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Reductio ad absurdum, rather. lol malapropism

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

(now i'm just being a dick, sorry)

xp

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

not any more reductionist than comparing me to geir because i don't like this particular track

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

fair enough

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

i disagree but calling something the neosoul equivalent of a tarantino film deserves an otm. it just has to be applied to something else first. and i was having trouble believing anyone could really summon any hatred for master teacher pt 2. part one is great. it pops up on that jank random record someone mentioned here a while back.

i never knew the first song was ramp, but it's funny, because i always used to think it was a good example of something new drawing on old stuff without being too indebted. like it's obviously some kinda drells sly stone groove track, but it didn't seem too reverent or retro. maybe it's because of everything on top.

schlump, Monday, 5 January 2009 19:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Jordan's totally otm and u dudes sound like chumps.

how many of you guys are always bumping the illmatic intro like "what a classic nas track!!!!"

the ghostface example doesnt make any sense as a pt of comparison

an intro functions as an intro, stop trying to make it something diff

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

i never knew the first song was ramp, but it's funny, because i always used to think it was a good example of something new drawing on old stuff without being too indebted. like it's obviously some kinda drells sly stone groove track, but it didn't seem too reverent or retro. maybe it's because of everything on top.

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this doesnt make any sense -- 'reverent' or 'retro' is not the issues. its just the o.g. track w/ talking over it. thats it.

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

deej lemme tell you a lil bit about sampling and recontextualization, and then lemme hang myself for being a dunderhead.

expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

I always listen to the intro when I listen to Illmatic.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

the talking works though, it ruptures the original and is slightly frightening in a way that sets the tone for the album proper

(i mean i'm not defending it as anything other than an intro but on those terms it works)

lex pretend, Monday, 5 January 2009 21:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

maybe it would feel more like an intro if it was shorter, as it is it's longer than the healer.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

if anything it lulls you into thinking the rest of the LP is gonna be that raucous. and it may be an intro but it's not just a mantra on loop ala My People or Master Teachers - you could argue that as lazier but i'm cool with all these things really.

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

"how many of you guys are always bumping the illmatic intro like "what a classic nas track!!!!"

plz, don't give people here more reason to be challopsy, this is just asking for it.
anyway, new america > the genesis. i treat erykah's as if it were an actual song...its got important context in the album and it was the first track on this that i really really liked, if only because it made me laugh the first time

k3vin k., Monday, 5 January 2009 21:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think it 'works' as an intro i just think that calling it 'recontextualization! lets have serious art discussion about a jacked track that she talks over!!' is some serious silliness, beyond ppl challopsing about the grey album

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Whatever, I feel strongly about this.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

Can we pretend I never brought the geir quote into this?

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

I mean, I meant that facetiously, and y'all are acting like it's the crux of my argument.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

i dont get why people are dismissing it as just an intro. its a full blown song.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

how so

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

i mean its a full blown RAMP song, not a full blown erykah song

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

You people are so fucking boring.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

shall we talk about 'amerykahn promise' a bit more?

lex pretend, Monday, 5 January 2009 21:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

god i need someone to bring me a drink

lex pretend, Monday, 5 January 2009 21:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

a mint julep would do the job right about now

lex pretend, Monday, 5 January 2009 21:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

are there any itunes bonus tracks to argue about?

jordan s (J0rdan S.), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

did you all ever hear 'real thang' in the end?

lex pretend, Monday, 5 January 2009 21:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

gossipgirl.jpg

Andy K, Monday, 5 January 2009 21:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

what do u guys think of the minute before 'honey' -- what a genius bit of recontextualization amirite :D

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

i mean its a full blown RAMP song, not a full blown erykah song

― choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:52 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

deej consistently OTM IMHO

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 21:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Gossip Girl is pregnant for the third time.

I have tasted the challops in the mind of the universe.

Andy K, Monday, 5 January 2009 21:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

i don't think people were dismissing it as an intro, rather defending in the sense of "who cares if it's jacked, it's just an intro"

xp

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

yah i dont think anyone was mad that it was jacked tho

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

i mean its a full blown RAMP song, not a full blown erykah song

i guess song is the key word there (people expecting/wanting more from badu in this regard, not just her saying mostly silly stuff over a funk loop...as if that was an inferior concept somehow!). it's not like you'd say 'The Next Episode' is a full blown David McCallum joint not a Dre one (unless you're nuts).

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

either way, its still a full on proper song (re: people discussing whether its just an intro or not), whether its erykahs or ramps. and it is still erykahs, even if she doesnt really give it a proper once over and make it hers (like she should have done) as someone else said above.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

the next episode features rapping -- im not mad at her using it for an intro, im just saying im not getting anything from it as a song that didnt exist in the original -- shes not singing over it, shes not switching up the beat -- its just like when ghostface uses a soul song as an INTERLUDE, not the same as him using a song to rap over.

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

should have done a replay like with that tarika blue song on didntcha know.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

you mean the entirely diff song that featured her singing

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

either way, it would have been better. i dunno what to call erykahs version, its sort of a cover, but not quite.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah..."filler" is a pretty abstract concept in general, but when you're talking about an album that's the first in a series of 2 or 3 albums that the artist made in the same timeframe, it's an even more amorphous idea.

I didn't mean "filler" as in something callously inserted to fill time, but in the more colloquial (and less damning) sense of being weaker and probably included because an artist has fallen too in love with everything produced during a period of time to objectively edit it down to its strongest form (probably the basis for the vast, vast majority of multi album/3LP/2CD/etc. projects produced). Erykah's "weaker" is still stronger than 99.999% of anyone else going's "strongest," so it's not a huge complaint. It's just that a lot of the album felt next-level, and then the rest had that biding-time feeling of the majority of Worldwide Underground, the longer-than-LP-length release she caveated as being an EP (if I'm not mis-remembering).

As for "sampling" the RAMP track--that's really pushing the limits of "sampling," but I don't really have any beef with that. I just think what's meant to be funny or spooky or ominous in the vocals just sound. . . corny, and more than a little boring. Why have an "intro" that's longer than the proper opening track--especially when the opening track is so ace ("The Healer")? The sampled "coming to you loud and clear" bit at the beginning of the Healer would've been intro enough, imo. I guess I tend to be a less-is-more person in general--shorter albums that are pithy thrill me, so I feel more ripped off by longer albums that don't need to be longer--there's no value in having simply more music, unless someone just wants to tack it on after a long silence after the end of the best stuff.

The "sampling" issue of using an entire track--eh. Doing it's fine by me, but do something that justifies it. Everybody knows the best Daft Punk tracks are almost just the originals, but for me, the slight changes they make really do add something; whereas the "conductor" vocals add nothing to 'American Promise'.

Erykah should do a mix/compilation, though, of her inspirations/favorite stuff. . .

Soundslike, Monday, 5 January 2009 22:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

mark of a great album i guess. different people getting different things from it. i totally disagree tho, the narration on track 1 is great and provides one of the few really light-hearted comedic aspects of the work (but still v reverent and committed, to my ears and mind).

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2009 23:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm mad as hell about Stereolab's entire career.

Dimension 5ive, Monday, 5 January 2009 23:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

not the same thing and you know it

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 23:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh snap wrong thread my bad

Dimension 5ive, Monday, 5 January 2009 23:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Erykah should do a mix/compilation, though, of her inspirations/favorite stuff. . .

^^^^^^^^would purchase for all my friends

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 00:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

So I realize this is a naïve question, but are her previous albums like this? I had always just thought of her as a slightly better version of a Jill Scott-type neo-hippie-R&B singer, which is not my thing at all, but I LOVE this album. Does her previous work have the same kind of simultaneous hip hop/70s soul vibe to it? The only older songs of hers I remember hearing were the live version of Tyrone and Bag Lady, which was pretty good but it was always weird to me that it used that same guitar sample as the then-current Dr. Dre song.
Also, was J Dilla directly involved in any of her music?

Whitey on the Moon, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 05:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

Time for some research, Whitey on the Moon.

Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 05:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also, was J Dilla directly involved in any of her music?

― Whitey on the Moon, Monday, January 5, 2009 11:01 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not too much, only on one of her biggest grammy award nom'd singles -- but i expect those deep cuts are hard to google for

choom gangsta (deej), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 05:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

OK OK jeez I acknowledged that it was naïve. I just wanted to get some feedback on what you guys thought of her older stuff before I actually buy/download/conduct further research.
And I apologize for not knowing who was "nom'd" for female vocal R&B performance or whatever Grammy in 2000.

Whitey on the Moon, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 06:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

nom'd nom'd nom'd

choom gangsta (deej), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 06:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Baduism is neo-soul with hip-hop fringes - no rapping, no scratching, but the tight clip of the drums tells the tale. but it is very neo-soul (and brilliant).

Mama's Gun never goes as far as The Healer in the Hip-Hop direction, but the group who recorded it are the soulquarians (feat. Dilla), and it is an utterly sublime album, you need to hear it.

Worldwide Underground (is that the title of the EP?) is gonzo and brilliant, Danger is badass 70s funk meets Hip-Hop, while 'I want You' is like sultry water torture.

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

the first verse of 'danger' sets that scene like BAM. so perfect.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

me and this baby
gon' be here all night long
walkin' this wood floor
until my man gets home
i'm at the front door
i'm listenin' by the phone
but i'm gon' be here
with my make-up on

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

her albums in order:
mamas gun
baduizm
worldwide underground
the new one
though i find it hard to really decide which is better of the last 3 there as they all have some really brilliant tracks. but basically mamas gun is impossibly classic.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

All four are impossibly classic, so listen to them simultaneously.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 12:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

That said, I rank them as such:

4th World War
Mama's Gun
Baduizm
Worldwide Underground

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 12:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Part 2 comes out February 17th! Same day as The-Dream. Wish I had four ears.

Owen Pallett, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 14:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh noes the weight of expectancy (which i didn't have at all for Part 1). can it be better?

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 14:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

A Badu-lovin', magazine-readin' friend told me that Erykah, in an interview, said the 2nd part was mostly uptempo stuff like The Healer. Honey was originally meant to be on Part 2 but was moved to Part 1 at the last minute, hence its "bonus track" vibe.

Owen Pallett, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

don't toy with my expectations now

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

uptempo stuff like The Healer

does not compute. but i welcome more beats like that. if that's true about 'Honey' then it's weird that it then also became the single (so perhaps there are other singles/radio jams on part 2?)

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

at first i was like "wtf the healer is not uptempo" but it's pretty much the same tempo as "honey", it just has that slow burn vibe

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

An album full of "Healer"s?! As if I already didn't think the Nu AmErykah enterprise was already for-all-time material.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

of course you would say that your next album is all like the best song on your last album

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

She could say the next album is like the worst song on 4WW and I'd say the same thing.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm kinda amazed that this album actually charted higher in many European countries than in the UK (e.g. #5 in Sweden! #10 in Switzerland! seems v random)

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

*Cough*. Maybe it wasn't The Healer. I put on the record, we started talking about the new album, Alex said "an album of uptempo songs like this", and I don't remember if it was The Healer or Amerykahn Promise. This is important! Two very different songs. I'll ask him today at lunch.

Owen Pallett, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

if that's true about 'Honey' then it's weird that it then also became the single

not weird at all, obviously the thinking was "we need a single to sell this album, let's use that really obviously accessible song you were gonna hold for the next one". finally the weird single/bonus track status of "Honey" makes sense!

some dude, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha an album of amerykahn promises. IMAGINE!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

i never understood why 'the cell' wasn't considered an appropriate single, anyway. i think it's even more melodically immediate than 'honey'.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

She could say the next album is like the worst song on 4WW and I'd say the same thing.

Come to think of it, she's already had something like that -- an album of "Me"s. It's called Mama's Gun.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

i never understood why 'the cell' wasn't considered an appropriate single, anyway. i think it's even more melodically immediate than 'honey'.

it's ruffer and more 'minimal' which would rule it out for me as single material

the 'add a little lemon' line in 'Honey' actually bothers me a bit just because i thought 'wait is this still a cliched metaphor or are you literally singing a song about a foodstuff?'

Owen maybe you did mean Amerykahn Promise as that or The Cell are the fastest tracks

some dude a track originally intended for the second album becoming the first single off the first album seems unconventional or "weird" to me but whatever

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 17:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha an album of amerykahn promises. IMAGINE!

― lex pretend, Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:42 AM (22 minutes ago)

^would buy

k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 17:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

she said in an interview shes working with wajeed, jay electronica, madlib and basically other hip hop producers for pt 2. so it prob will be more like the healer. id like it to be more like master teacher pt 2, me, and telephone, but apparently part 3, or the third album shes done/been talking about is more mamas gun-sounding stuff, apparently more blues/jazz-based.

honey is an underrated song on this album.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

MORE BALEARIC

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 17:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

O_O

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 19:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

I want this embedded IN MY BRANE

Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 19:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

:-O

k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

I talked to my resident Baduphile. When NA1:4WW came out, Erykah had big plans. 'New Amerykah 2: Return Of The Ankh' was to come out summer 2008, she was also gonna make a record with 'band', Tin Machine-style. She was even gonna publish a magazine. These plans have been altered or set aside.

At the time, she said of NA2:ROTA that it was made independently of NA1:4WW. Conceptually and compositionally different. She said it was more deeply steeped in 70s funk. As the sole track from the ROTA sessions, we can imagine ROTA to be an entire album of "Honey"... which is the song Alex referenced me to.

Here's a Youtube of a song from the new album, from a VH1 performance. It is called "Annie Don't Wear No Panties"

Owen Pallett, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

"She was sittin' on the front pew/ Givin' Deacon Johns n em a good view"

XD XD XD

The Reverend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

fellas if u can't afford it
think u better videotape record it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

also jesus HER HAIR IS INCREDIBLE

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

is that the clip where she calls out her sister at the end for singing a wrong note? i love that.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

also jesus HER HAIR WIG IS INCREDIBLE

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

her chris dave is incredible

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

her body (and voice, obv) is incredible.

i luv badu.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Suddenly I have the fears about ROTA. "Annie" is cute and funny, but in no way primo Badu material.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

"my ass and legs have gotten thick" indeed

Suggest Ban Permalink
― The Reverend, Friday, May 9, 2008 9:19 AM Bookmark

The Reverend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

not heard it but that lyric makes me think of betty davis. that whole vhi gig is on the net as mp3s somewhere...

and yes, GREAT ass.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

i would kill for a mama's gun-style record with that live band.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

On the converse, hearing that it's all supposed to be like "Honey" and "Annie" makes me feel a lot better about the prospects of the new album than if she was trying to make another album just like 4th World War.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

i don't think she understands how much ilx loves this record and how she ought to make more like it.

& my ass and legs have gotten thick is a great line.

schlump, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

New Amerykah Part 2: He Got In! Plus Woah My Ass Is Awesome In That YT Clip

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

"the Morbius strip of issues" (stevie), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

sorry, meant to post THIS:

it's all good though...

"the Morbius strip of issues" (stevie), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

daaaaaaaamn

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 04:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

i arrived late, but it's gotta be 'the cell'. that song is impossibly fresh and vital, and has restored my faith in hearing something truly extraordinary emerge from the whole neo-soul thing.

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 12:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

the cell just confused me for the longest time. i love the future-doo-wop backing vocals on the chorus.

schlump, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 14:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

is neo-soul still a thing?

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 14:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

neoul

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 14:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

My gf is taking a class in organizational management, and one of her textbooks contains the following passage:

"The ability to reframe is one of the most powerful capacities of great artists. It can be equally powerful for managers. Undergraduates at Vanderbilt University captured this in a class-iniated rap (for best results, rap fans should imagine the rapper Common doing these lines in a neo-soul, hip-hop style):

Reframe, reframe, put a new spin on the mess you're in.
Reframe, reframe, try to play a different game.
Reframe, reframe, when you're in a tangle, shoot another angle;
look at things a different way."

xhuxk e. xheese (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 16:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

One of the book's authors:

xhuxk e. xheese (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 16:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I am uh on board for this, ty ILM

just, just, wishin' more of the consensus stuff, was of this calibre imo ;-)

there's no antivote to (country matters), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 01:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

the r&b conversion, it begins

btw there's lots of A+ discussion on the general badu thread too, which has a lot of initial reactions: Erykah Badu: C /D, S&D

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 01:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

I did say I'd be investigating hip-hop in 2009, didn't foresee being blindsided by R&B! Will check that thread...

there's no antivote to (country matters), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 01:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I apologize for not getting into this album earlier; the healer just hit permarepeat.
Retroactive p+j addition is GO

i got 51 sbs on my profile (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 March 2009 23:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

thumbs up

Terius (The Reverend), Sunday, 8 March 2009 23:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

30,000 MEGAWATTS OF POWER BABY, RADIATING YOUR SOUL

fatedoomer (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 July 2009 08:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

IT'S BIGGER THAN MY NIGGA

fatedoomer (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 July 2009 08:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

TO MY FOLKS UP ON THE HILL WITH THE CAKE AND THE DOLLAR BILL

fatedoomer (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 July 2009 09:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

GET YA MONEY DOLLAR BILL YALL

fatedoomer (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 July 2009 09:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

SHITTY DAMN DAMN BABY BANG

fatedoomer (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 July 2009 09:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

PO MAN GOT HIS BACK TO THE DOOR

fatedoomer (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 July 2009 09:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

last time i listned to this it occurred to me that "Soldier" might be or even proably is about her son, still learnin new shit when I hear this, I love it so much

fatedoomer (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 July 2009 09:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wanted this album's other half to come out desperately until I realized I AM this album's other half!

sir-mounter (Eric H.), Saturday, 25 July 2009 16:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

link pls?

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 25 July 2009 17:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's not out dude

SB Idiot (k3vin k.), Saturday, 25 July 2009 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

BE WARNED BE WARNED . WHEN FOLLOWING MY TWEETS KEEP IN MIND IM AM MUCH MUCH MORE SPIRITUAL THAN YOU . YOU MAY NOT GET IT . AND ITS OKAY .
26 minutes ago from web

@morrissey2637 IF YOU HAD TO ASK THAT , THEN YOU HAVE DEFFINATELY CONFIRMED IT FOR ME . THANKS .
17 minutes ago from web in reply to morrissey2637

MY SPELLING IS NOT SO SPIRITUAL THO...
17 minutes ago from web

SB Idiot (k3vin k.), Saturday, 25 July 2009 17:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

uhh guys are we all reading this right now

SB Idiot (k3vin k.), Saturday, 25 July 2009 19:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

she's in the middle of this hilarious beef with this fat chick, it's killin me

SB Idiot (k3vin k.), Saturday, 25 July 2009 19:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

unfortunately "WHEN FOLLOWING MY POSTS KEEP IN MIND IM AM MUCH MUCH MORE SPIRITUAL THAN YOU" is too long for a screen name

WHEN FOLLOWING MY POSTS KEEP IN MIND IM AM MUCH MUCH MORE SPIRITU (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 July 2009 19:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

or maybe just MUCH MUCH TOO SPIRITUAL for a display name

WHEN FOLLOWING MY POSTS KEEP IN MIND IM AM MUCH MUCH MORE SPIRITU (The Reverend), Saturday, 25 July 2009 19:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wanted this album's other half to come out desperately until I realized I AM this album's other half!

― sir-mounter (Eric H.), Saturday, July 25, 2009 9:16 AM Bookmark

otm

The Reverend, Saturday, 25 July 2009 19:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

yea i love love love this album

mark cl, Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

told you

mark cl, Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

we ain't dead yet

mark cl, Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

we've been livin through yo internet

mark cl, Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 26 July 2009 05:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

all that heroin and he choked on the damn mouthpiece (stevie), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 09:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

brilliancy

flowers for algernod (The Reverend), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 01:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

hell yes!!!

all you need is love vs. money (that's what i want) (Ioannis), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 08:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

I wanted this album's other half to come out desperately until I realized I AM this album's other half!

― sir-mounter (Eric H.), Saturday, July 25, 2009 9:16 AM Bookmark

I salute you Eric H., because you are me.

estelawolf (The Reverend), Friday, 8 January 2010 01:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

would have voted Twinkle because it is insane

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 01:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

also because it quotes like my 4th-favourite movie ever

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 01:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hello friends.

mojitos (a cocktail) (Cave17Matt), Friday, 8 January 2010 02:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i can entirely get behind that

i am not down with ppl farting on salami (stevie), Friday, 8 January 2010 08:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

The soldier is mama's gun.

fart and crazy swag (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 14:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

lexpretend cf danger, "gotta keep that clip on mama's gun"

lexpretend …and of course "danger" sets its scene with erykah
pacing the floor, baby in her arms

rodneyjgreene which of course ties into "Otherside of the
Game", hence "Otherside" ---> "Danger" ---> "Soldier" = a vicious cycle of like father, like son

fart and crazy swag (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 15:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

the honey vid is evidence she reads ilm

i'm #FFFFFF btw (bnw), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 15:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha how so?

fart and crazy swag (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 15:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's probably not fair of me to wanna SB people for what they wrote over a year ago, huh.

queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 15:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

i was gonna say Honey vid is like cover connections but maybe not so much the connections part. IT IS however like having yr girl wear one of your shirts to bed ^_^

also this should be again:
Here's a Youtube of a song from the new album, from a VH1 performance. It is called "Annie Don't Wear No Panties"

http://www.youtube.com/v/9d9eydCfTdw&hl=en

i'm #FFFFFF btw (bnw), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 15:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't think I voted in this or "Master Teacher" would have a '1' next to it.

How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 02:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

"the soldier," for being the only inspiring protest song of the decade

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 06:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

this got such a strange vote distribution

51ocki (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 15:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

well 4WW is a real creeper album...Rev said something about taking three months to get into, I think it took me even longer to REALLY get the second half...I mean I voted The Healer kind of automatically, and I would prolley still today, bcz I think it's one of the best songs of the decade, but it would be a lot harder now to not vote The Cell or Twinkle or Master Teachers (no votes?! wtf!) or even That Hump...

don't let it rest on the President's desk (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah and "honey" with no votes??? "my people"???

51ocki (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

Of the ones that got no votes, I love both Master Teacher and Amerykahn Promise (I can sort of see why this didn't get the votes though, it's very much an introduction to the album). Still can't get into the last two on the album (That Hump and Telephone) - they just seem so generic in comparison with what went before.

emil.y, Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp well, Honey doesn't really mesh well with the whole One Minute to Doomsday vibe, but I think it's way cool...it's like finding out that the Oracle at Delphi is actually the sweet-natured girl work at Caribou Coffee or something...

does anyone else think this album kind of got snubbed in the decade-end polls? I mean this album is better than Kid A and waaay better than Is This It?

don't let it rest on the President's desk (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

eh people into r&b rated it highly, indie websites gave it a middling placing or none at all

51ocki (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

what r&b people rated it highly? (i take it from the 'eh' that this is not a conversation you really wish to have...)

don't let it rest on the President's desk (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

(That Hump and Telephone) - they just seem so generic in comparison with what went before.

what; i guess that's a valid criticism of telephone if you appreciate the lp for its originality and different-ness, but they're two of my favourites. that hump seems like a comparatively grounded analogue for the choppier cuts like the cell at the start; bassy rumbling instead of trelby synthesizing. & i can't be analytical about telephone but i kinda want it played at my funeral.

egregious apostrophising (schlump), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

naw it's just that it's hard to make sense of r&b consensus since most of the big mags and webzines online are more indie-oriented. not that there's not plenty of good indie music of course

but our own andy kellman (here) and al sh1pley (here) each rated it highly on their respective lists and ILM loves it (iirc it was top 5 in the 08 poll). ctrl-f "badu" on this thread Best of Decade (2000s) Album Lists doesnt yield anything but i know it was on a few lists - i think at least top 50 in pitchfork

xp

51ocki (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

i can't be analytical about telephone but i kinda want it played at my funeral.

v. much OTM

Wat ho, goatee'd man? Thy skinnee jenes hath byrn'd my corneyas. (stevie), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

love this track to death

Wat ho, goatee'd man? Thy skinnee jenes hath byrn'd my corneyas. (stevie), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

this got such a strange vote distribution

Was about to speculate on the distribution for Return of the Ankh, but I'm pretty sure "Window Seat" would bury the competition. (My vote right now goes to "Love" or "Out My Mind.")

queen frostine (Eric H.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'd go for 'get munny' today.

Wat ho, goatee'd man? Thy skinnee jenes hath byrn'd my corneyas. (stevie), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think "gone baby, don't be long" would win

has anyone listened to both straight through consecutively?

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not yet. I think the moods are a little too divergent for it to work.

queen frostine (Eric H.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

the winner would almost certainly be "window seat" or "get munny" imo

51ocki (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

btw 4WW wz #133 in Pitchfork's Top 200 of the 00's

don't let it rest on the President's desk (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 28 March 2010 19:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

it was in their top 10 of 08 too

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 19:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

no it wasn't, it was 13 of '08...

i guess it doesn't really matter...just irks me a little.

don't let it rest on the President's desk (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 28 March 2010 19:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

r&b is still a pretty ghettoized genre critically

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 19:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

this record doesn't really fall into the category of r&b as it stands in modern terms tho -- and anyway, badu (and other older artists like r. kelly or maxwell or d'angelo if he puts out a new record ever) exists outside that sort of ghetto anyway -- this record should've been a huger deal than it was, but it's hard to find real geeking out about non-rock, non-rap records outside of places like, um, ilm because there are rarely publications that cater to those audiences critically

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 19:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

can we please not break out the small violins for the critical standing of an album that finished 5th in P&J

ruh roh I'm having a scooby snack (some dude), Sunday, 28 March 2010 20:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

wow that's your most fatherly display name ever

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 20:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

fatherly as in dad joke? old reference? you know scooby wasn't scrappy doo's dad, right?

ruh roh I'm having a scooby snack (some dude), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

i dont get it

51ocki (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

dad-ish reference

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

are you familiar with longtime poster 'uh oh I'm having a fantasy'? xpost

dude scooby doo was on cartoon network and shit when you were a kid just like when i was a kid

ruh roh I'm having a scooby snack (some dude), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

ok im giggling now

51ocki (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

i know, i mean that it's silly in a dad-ish way, not old in a dad-ish way

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

i giggled too

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

ok so dad joke more than dad reference

ruh roh I'm having a scooby snack (some dude), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

yes

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

just realized that i haven't thought a display name to be as alternately good/bad/hilarious since m@tt's El Garbage

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 21:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

sorry about whining over nothing

don't let it rest on the President's desk (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 28 March 2010 22:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

nah i mean shit yeah it's better than Kid A, but it's not like i really expected any 2008 album, no matter how good, to really represent on end-of-decade lists like that, at least not this soon. it was actually the 7th highest '08 album on the Pitchfork list, so really it climbed a bit from being ranked 13th a year earlier.

ruh roh I'm having a scooby snack (some dude), Sunday, 28 March 2010 22:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

To be fair, it is the best album of the decade, so it's not "whining" to point out any list/poll that doesn't reflect that.

queen frostine (Eric H.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 22:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

meh, diff't strokes -- half the albums on my list that k3v linked upthread were on no other blog or publication's list, so i have a hard time thinking of it as insufficiently appreciated

ruh roh I'm having a scooby snack (some dude), Sunday, 28 March 2010 22:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

'that hump' was my vote i think -- the chorus is just great

deej khalifa (deej), Monday, 29 March 2010 05:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah I mustn't have voted in this cuz "that hump" has been my fave on this from the beginning. that bassline is crazy, the vocals, the lyrics... it's one of my top 5 badu songs easily. I never really got the crazy love for "the healer," i don't really understand why it won this poll by such a large margin, it's one of the lesser tracks on the album imo (though the album is pretty much perfect... but still, "that hump," "twinkle," "the cell," "soldier," "telephone," "me," >>>>>>>>>>>> "the healer"....)

The Brainwasher, Monday, 29 March 2010 05:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

i agree, altho i still like healer more than 'master teachers'

deej khalifa (deej), Monday, 29 March 2010 05:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Is there a thread for the second one? I cannot find it if there is. Anyway this is a totally perfect happy summer album, totes didn't expect it to sound this blissed out.

fuque santa cruz (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 8 July 2010 16:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

most of the talk about it is here Erykah Badu: C /D, S&D

Aerosol, Thursday, 8 July 2010 16:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

ty ty ty

fuque santa cruz (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 8 July 2010 16:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

"That Hump"

― Put A Ring On It (The Brainwasher), Friday, October 24, 2008 10:34 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

otm

J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 09:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Ha its 5am and That Hump is hitting hard (tho less hard now that I just finished giggling at the ship/sarge scooby exchange)

Blah Sabbath (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 8 January 2012 09:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

guapele (The Reverend), Sunday, 8 January 2012 11:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Did we ever poll the second? We should. (Or both together, even.)

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 17 February 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

And there are so many easter eggs, lyrically and sonically! I always discover something new when I listen to it. It's a complex motherfucking work. Just about a week ago, I first noticed that "My People" ends with the words "Good morning. Did you have a Dream?" And I capitilize Dream intentionally, because whether she was referring to the American (Amerykahn?) Dream or, I think more likely, MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech, she intends to load the word with more meaning than its M-W definition would indicate.

― mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:07 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah absolutely - i get annoyed when people overuse adjectives like "meaningful" but it absolutely applies to new amerykah in the sense that every word, note, inflection, every last detail in the arrangement is there for a reason, and even the most minute element of it can spark off these chains of thought just like yours

― lex pretend, Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:12 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, even things in the sequencing. It's no accident that "Me" is followed by "My People". She's already claimed her people as her in the former song. "I salute you [insert your name here] because you are me". It's also no mistake that she goes from grown folks acting all niggerish and not taking responsibility for their kids in "The Cell" to lamenting how those same kids "don't know their language...don't know their god" in "Twinkle" to the epiphany of "wait....what if there were no niggers, only master teachers?"

― mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:23 PM Bookmark

Wait, but that's the Dream she has! You even have Curtis Mayfield playing herald for her with the sample of him at the beginning of "Master Teacher" repeating "dreams..." over and over.

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Friday, 16 November 2012 08:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

*still learning things about this album*

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Friday, 16 November 2012 08:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is still my favorite album of my lifetime, bout to put it on for the third time in a row.

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Friday, 16 November 2012 09:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

She's playing NYE in Oakland with The Coup I believe.

Everybody did shit, art happened! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 November 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

rev otm

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 16 November 2012 21:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

That Hump

J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

second verse is the best vocal performance of her career imo

J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Only smoked a joint or two betwixt me and you.

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

that hump makes me sob tbh

horseshoe, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

always feel like whiney is going to pop up and take me to task for ^ that sentiment, but it's true

horseshoe, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

i just got to find a way
of liiiiiving
check tooo check
just tryin to pay my rent and i can feel it
coming down around me and this children
;_;

horseshoe, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

can i just posit the brother on her floor as the punctum here

daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

my brother's sleeping on my floor
a bitch could use a little moooooore

horseshoe, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

otm

horseshoe, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink


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