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what is it with people who think completely obscure music is cool? is this still happening? i know it has been, for like a while, but i certainly hope it's almost over. i mean, ugh. does this piss anyone off? it's like you're not really with it unless you like some band no one's heard of. i can't tell you how many people i know who read all the right websites, listen to the right underground bands and BORE ME TO TEARS. these days, i'm more intrigued by someone who likes stuff i actually fucking know. no?

i mean, i get it, there's a lot of stuff no one's heard that deserves to be heard. but some people, it's like they only seek out the most random stuff b/c they think anything on the radio must be awful or something.

and in general, i can't be bothered to look up a bunch of articles about music to find out what's good or what isn't. i rely on word of mouth, ILX and things that just fall into my lap. or when i want something in particular, i investigate. but the idea of fervently scanning articles about new bands and stuff kind of grosses me out. there's something about clinging to other people's opinions on music that turns me off. i don't want to have to read about it, or pay too much attention, or try too hard -- i like music b/c it magically just kind of happens to me.

just venting, thx.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

liking the boredoms on the internet vs. having to explain to coworkers what you mean when you say the band you saw the other night had seven guitars bolted to a fencepost, three drummers, a keyboard player and an orchestral bass drum, and it was really loud

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

so who on AIM put you up to this?

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

i like it when skot talks about all sorts of weirdo 70s cutout records that no one has even heard of. i don't even think some of those bands have heard of themselves. but it's fun to check out.

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Liking stuff solely for obscurity's sake is one of the oldest lies ever.

I can't have "normal" conversations with co-workers about music. They all look at me like I am alien.

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

i mean, i definitely like finding out about lesser-known artists. but i can't stand it when people are all elitist about it. you can just HEAR it in the tone of voice. "i'm really into Dreamboat Gorilla"

like it's the most impressive thing ever that they like a band named Dreamboat Gorilla.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tracer started a thread for those people a long time ago

real-life trolls

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

FASCINATING INSIGHTS

John Justen, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

dreamboat gorilla rulez

jhøshea, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

i like music b/c it magically just kind of happens to me.

thread of missing luriqua

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

request everyone try to use the CDHQ homepage gif more often

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

In the non-ILM world, 'obscure music' doesn't mean Dreamboat Gorilla. It means anything that's not top 40 or a tv/radio jingle.

Oilyrags, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

six finger satellite was great.

Zen Guerrilla were pretty dope too!

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

i know which is even more annoying, xp. i once got into this whole argument with a Belle and Sebastian devout, who was poking fun at me b/c i like janet jackson. i got upset. i was like, YEAH AND YOU LIKING BELLE AND SEBASTIAN JUST PUTS YOU OVER THE TOP. YOU'RE JUST THE ZANIEST GREATEST PERSON EVER.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

TELL US MORE

John Justen, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

IT IS LIKE A STRANGE AND AMAZING THREAD FILLED WITH LEARNING AND ANALYSIS

John Justen, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm not aware of a rule that prevents enjoying both B&S or JJ.

AMAZING COLOSSAL INSIGHTS RIGHT HERE!

Oilyrags, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

I remember when I first got to college I had my case logic of like 200 CDs of the orb and orbital and future sound of london and aphex twin and shit and I would show it to my new undergrad buddies and bet them cash money they'd never heard of any of it. Because they hadn't. I was such a little shit.

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

i'm not aware of that rule either but this person was. that wouldn't make sense to him. they just don't go together.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't really take money though.

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

best Dreamboat Gorilla album

Mr. Que, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

"xp. i once got into this whole argument with a Belle and Sebastian devout, who was poking fun at me b/c i like janet jackson. i got upset. i was like, YEAH AND YOU LIKING BELLE AND SEBASTIAN JUST PUTS YOU OVER THE TOP. YOU'RE JUST THE ZANIEST GREATEST PERSON EVER."

The story of this argument is just like the plot to Rocky IV.

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

try too hard = ILM motto. or at lest the English translation from the Latin, prob.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oilyrags OTM. Telling regular folks I used a Robyn Hitchcock song for my wedding dance will ALWAYS bring about a puzzled or unknowing response.

Surmounter, I don't know what people you hang out with but in my world those sorts of people disappear by the time you're 30.

I like digging for obscure postpunk nuggets but it sure isn't a badge of honor or something to hang over anyone else's head! No one I know in the real world outside of a few fellow music nuts would give a crap!

Mr. Odd, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

see, i'm 24. so i have a little ways to go b4 these people disappear.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 19:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

lol dude who used robyn hitchcock for a wedding song calls himself mr. odd

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Are you implying I'm odd or not odd enough?

Mr. Odd, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

whichever makes me cooler than you I guess

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't turn 30 until next week

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

i never like to talk about music w/ppl that aren't really into it. i just say i like stuff like led zeppelin and regular music (which i do), why would you want to try to talk about some weird shit w/ppl that don't care?

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/289964

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

what do you consider regular music?

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

jesus Surmounter you're almost twice the age I always assumed you were when reading your posts.

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

anyway, there's a lot of good popular music, you could go your whole life listening to just popular music and not get bored there's so much of it. but for those of us who aren't loathe to "pay too much or attention try too hard" it can be pretty rewarding to dig a little deeper.

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

sure. and i do dig deeper -- often. i just don't like the rejection of popular music based on its popularity.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

(and vice versa)

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

It makes sense to hunt out obscure things AS POPULAR THINGS ARE IN YOUR FUCKING FACE all the time and seeking them out when they're already there is a bit lame. You can't reject them unless you're a total recluse.

It's nice to hear some really truly awful shit once in a while too.

Mister Craig, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

there's something about clinging to other people's opinions on music that turns me off.

yr not really following yr own admonition here surmounter - who cares why other people listen to any given kind of music

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's nice to hear some really truly awful shit once in a while too.

-- Mister Craig, Friday, April 11, 2008 4:16 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

^^ going in "truth bombs" thread

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't know that seeking out popular music is lame...

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

anyway M@tt OTM

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

well, i think there's a big difference between digging deeper for lesser-known music, and using this as some claim to superiority, which is the part i loathe.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

what do you consider regular music?

-- Surmounter, Friday, April 11, 2008 8:09 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

like i dunno, regular music that ppl like....like if someone likes classic rock i'd rather just talk about tom petty or aerosmith than be all like DUDE THE SECOND SIR LORD BALTIMORE RECORD IS CREWSH!! DO YOU LIKE DUST??!? or if they like indie music we could talk about like the shins or something instead of whatever wierd shit.

or better yet talk about sports.

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

Aren't YOU using your viewpoint as a "some claim to superiority"?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

well, i think there's a big difference between digging deeper for lesser-known music, and using this as some claim to superiority, which is the part i loathe.

-- Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:22 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

How much of that is actually the case though?

Is it just hipsters generally you dislike?

Mister Craig, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

Matt OTM; talking about sports is always better.

sonderangerbot, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

not really catsup, i think liking something obscure is just as valid as liking something incredibly popular.

yeah i totally agree matt, i veer away from conversations like that too

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't know if i want to get into a conversation about hipsters just yet

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Aren't YOU using your viewpoint as a "some claim to superiority"?

^^^on the real

but I hate sports!

x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

all sports?? no way

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's weird too. In my old town I was an obscurantist, where I live now I'm a pop kid. I put some Deerhoof on a mixtape for a friends's party and he wouldn't put it on out of fear. That was depressing.

Mister Craig, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

i really haven't met anyone with truly "obscure" taste who copped attitude because most of the time they were just excited to tell you about cool music you might not have heard before.

omar little, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

the people who the most attitude are the ones who think that if it isn't well known or they haven't heard it before, there must be a reason for that and that reason must be is the music is lame.

omar little, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

honestly there is not a single pro sport that I give a single shit about. playing sports is one thing, watching other highly paid adults to do it = me not caring.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

I find that while some people who like obscure stuff or have absurd amounts of knowledge often hold it over people, sometimes they are just stating their interests plainly with no subtext and it's the insecurities of the person who doesn't know as much that caused said person to perceive some sort of arrogance. Not always, but sometimes.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

DICHOTOMY

People with specialist subculture knowledge that I find unpleasant and grating:
bikes store employee types / hardcore cyclists

People with specialist subculture knowledge that I find exciting and friendly:
music nerd types

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

dan selzer otm

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

do you guys think we can beat the "varied taste" post count

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

yes otm xpost

omar little, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

nah, Surmounter is still too early in his transformation into The Lex to inspire a true clusterfuck thread.

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

OTM dan

It's always about insecurities, except when it's one obscure music guy giving tips to another obscure music guy, then it's possible one of them is being obnoxious.

sonderangerbot, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

anyone want to throw in a "people who listen to vinyl are just posers that pretend that they prefer it" opinion to ratchet up the post score?

John Justen, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

the people who the most attitude are the ones who think that if it isn't well known or they haven't heard it before, there must be a reason for that and that reason must be is the music is lame.

-- omar little, Friday, April 11, 2008 8:34 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i really don't know about this

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's nice to hear some really truly awful shit once in a while too.

-- Mister Craig, Friday, April 11, 2008 4:16 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

^^ going in "truth bombs" thread

-- Alex in Baltimore, Friday, April 11, 2008 4:18 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

spoken like a true ebony eyez fan

and what, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't loathe people who like Janet Jackson, but I loathe people who loathe people who loathe Janet Jackson.

libcrypt, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

People who like obscure music are dumb and that's why I only listen to Steely Dan and The Eagles.

ian, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Liking" music is so passé anyways. It's all about the indifference now.

libcrypt, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

People who like obscure music are dumb and that's why I only listen to Steely Dan and The Eagles.

-- ian, Friday, April 11, 2008 4:44 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Well I only listen to ABBA!

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

Nothing but Beatles for me.

Of course, I never have fewer than 4 albums playing simultaneously in the same room. I'm just THAT into them.

libcrypt, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

I find that while some people who like obscure stuff or have absurd amounts of knowledge often hold it over people, sometimes they are just stating their interests plainly with no subtext and it's the insecurities of the person who doesn't know as much that caused said person to perceive some sort of arrogance. Not always, but sometimes.

-- dan selzer, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:35 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

OTM

Mister Craig, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

yes that can definitely be true

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

Someone accused me of being a snob for saying that I liked a band's first album best.

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

?? that's just random. what album?

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

Obscureness is no longer a property inherent to the music itself, dudes. No, it's about how you listen to it. Anything can be obscure if you listen with an appropriately obscure attitude.

libcrypt, Friday, 11 April 2008 20:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

My favorite Obscure record was the first, Gavin Bryar's The Sinking of the Titanic.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Obscureness is no longer a property inherent to the music itself, dudes. No, it's about how you listen to it. Anything can be obscure if you listen with an appropriately obscure attitude.

-- libcrypt, Friday, April 11, 2008 4:58 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

QFT; http://advancedtheory.blogspot.com/

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

My favorite Obscure record was the first, Gavin Bryar's The Sinking of the Titanic.

-- dan selzer, Friday, April 11, 2008 9:01 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ totally the best LP on Obscure by a long-shot. The other one I like is the Bryars and John White LP "Machine Music."

ian, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

I have this

http://www.discogs.com/release/27671

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I only have Obscure numbers 1,2,3 and 10, and I have 6, Michael Nyman's Decay Music on CD. Had high hopes for that one as I really like Nyman, especially his punkier early stuff, but that one was a bit too "obscure" for me.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think I've only met one person who fits this cooler-than-thou stereotype. He was roommates with an ex-girlfriend of mine, and he worked at the Univ. of Chicago radio station. She once happened to mention that she liked minimalism, and he said, "Like what?" -- when she said Glass and Reich, he rolled his eyes. Really couldn't deal with that dude. (Weirdly, he later showed up in illustrated form in a Jessica Abel comic book.)

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh wait, there was also the party I was at with Hstencil and a Pearl Jam song came on and I was like, "Isn't there something so great about hearing these early '90s songs, something kind of nostalgic?" -- and he glared at me and said "No." Haha!

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

hahahahahaha.

so annoying!

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

hstencil otm

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

miss that dude

El Tomboto, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

Pearl Jam is terrible

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's no temple of the dog ;)

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Oh wait, there was also the party I was at with Hstencil and a Pearl Jam song came on and I was like, "Isn't there something so great about hearing these early '90s songs, something kind of nostalgic?" -- and he glared at me and said "No." Haha!"

I can totally imagine saying this.

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

suzymc

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I don't even like Pearl Jam, but dude was just so humorless and condescending about it!

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

That's because not listening to Pearl Jam is SERIOUS business.

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

what was like a big hit by Pearl Jam? i wasn't zoned into that at the time...

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

suzymc

Wow, did Hstencil just win the Turner Prize or something?

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

I should also note that it was like the second time I'd ever met him, so it seemed a little more douchey than it would've been if we were actually friends.

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tuo-mounter

Jordan, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

"She once happened to mention that she liked minimalism, and he said, "Like what?" -- when she said Glass and Reich, he rolled his eyes."

This on the other hand is really pretty lame.

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

I would just like to say that hstencil was very nice the one time I met him which was something like 10 years ago

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

why is everyone talking like something very tragic happened to him??

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

He died of condescension.

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

I worked with hstencil for a while. We was tight; haven't talked to him in months though.

ian, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

I heard gygax! killed him

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

it was a murder/suicide thing IIRC.

ian, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

and as irritatingly snobbish as hstencil could be about music, he was still right 95% of the time.

ian, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

He's a LOCAL BLOGGER now

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

Either way not liking Pearl Jam /= fetishing obscure music. It just means you don't like Pearl Jam.

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

i like the weird pearl jam songs, like BUGS.

ian, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

does this make me an obscurantist?

ian, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe, maybe not

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

He could have disagreeing with the sentimental statement and not reflecting on Pearl Jam.

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well, what it meant was that he was the kind of guy who was comfortable making absolute statements of taste with people he barely knew, which I guess rubbed me the wrong way. (I mean, what if I was a big Pearl Jam fan?) But that's probably for another thread.

yeah there's no right or wrong, sure, nabisco, whatever you say. everything's "all good in the hood," yo.

-- hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:58 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

It sounds like this issue is mainly a problem at parties. The solution, therefor, would either be to not go to them or get so trashed that you're already more obnoxious than the obscurist. And, you know, everyone else...

Mr. Odd, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

Good tip.

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

the people who the most attitude are the ones who think that if it isn't well known or they haven't heard it before, there must be a reason for that and that reason must be is the music is lame.

-- omar little, Friday, April 11, 2008 8:34 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i really don't know about this

-- Surmounter, Friday, April 11, 2008 1:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

this type exists

omar little, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

This thread makes me smile.

I know a fair amount of people who think this is how I approach music, valuing the obscurity, but the real problem isn't that I like things that are obscure, it's that I'm cheap. When you hear me talking about that awesome Horslips album that I picked up (apparently not obscure in Ireland, but whatever), it's because it's two bucks. The reason that I look blankly when you're describing the latest Wilco album? The damn thing's at least $12 new. I only pay that much when I've seen a live band.

Also, something I like when talking about music is talking about it with people who are already familiar with it. I feel like obscurity often works against that, aside from specialized forums, since I feel like there's only so much you can say to someone who hasn't heard something before their eyes glaze over.

I eat cannibals, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

im pretty sure i can get u that new wilco for free if yr interested

jhøshea, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also, something I like when talking about music is talking about it with people who are already familiar with it. I feel like obscurity often works against that, aside from specialized forums, since I feel like there's only so much you can say to someone who hasn't heard something before their eyes glaze over.

This was a nice by-product of starting to listen to the radio again, five years ago, after ignoring it for so long: I could have conversations with co-workers or friends about Jay-Z or whatever.

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

"(I mean, what if I was a big Pearl Jam fan?)"

Uh so what?

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

pearl jam sux dreamboat gorilla ftw

jhøshea, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

(I mean, what if I was a big Pearl Jam fan?)

slap with glove + pistols at dawn

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

I mean should he have spared your feelings by pretending that you were right and there was something great about nostalgically wallowing in the wonder of Pearl Jam? Yay for communication!

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

No, he shouldn't have pretended I was right, of course not -- it's more about being tactful. I mean, you say "Yay for communication," and that's kind of my point: what bothers me about people who are constantly making dismissive comments is that they effectively shut down good conversation. The problem wasn't that he disagreed with me, it was the way in which he did so. Plus, it was such a trivial, off-handed comment for me to have made in the first place that his retort smacked of "I want to make sure you know that I don't listen to shit like that." Fine, who cares?

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

B-b-but your question was so leading??! What else could he or should he have said? "No there isn't and here is why. . . " following by a twenty minute pedantic lecture about a comment that was a throw off for you anyway. In person his response might have been nastier/more brusque, but written it out it seems fine to me.

Alex in SF, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

the only thing that i remember about hstencil is that he got all butthurt because he thought i had a bad attitude about playing free jazz.

Jordan, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Alex, I don't really remember the conversation that well, so I don't remember what exactly I said. I do know that I wasn't addressing him specifically -- there were a few of us standing around, and I was talking to no one in particular, and my comment was more or less rhetorical, but he felt the need to chime in. Later, our mutual friend apologized and said "J. is kind of a dick sometimes."

Anyway, I already regret dredging up a 6-year-old party conversation, since it's not like it still bothers me or anything; I just thought it was kind of funny and played off Hstencil's online persona well (this, a year before I even discovered ILX).

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, i'm the kind of person that i think about the other person a LOT during conversation. like if i know they like something, even if i don't, i really try to say something positive about it. sometimes it's weird cuz i'll be hating on something but then they say they love it and i have to like concoct this favorable take on it...

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

six finger satellite was great.

I saw them on severe exposure tour @ black cat. it was great

am now trying to convince as many friends as I can to buy early janet jackson records tho

Control, early Wax Trax, what's the difference

daria-g, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

i have to like concoct this favorable take on it...

So you're insecure in your own opinions?

Mr. Odd, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

I know what you mean, Surmounter, although I don't know that I try to say something positive as much as I try to couch my dismissal in gentle terms, like saying, "Oh, I guess I wasn't really into that one so much" instead of "OMG I can't believe you liked that, it sucked." That's just with people I don't know that well, though; if I'm with friends, then I can be a total asshole sometimes, haha.

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe not so much that as i tend to want to agree with people a lot. i'm like afraid of hurting people's feelings. i have this one friend who makes it a BIG POINT to tell you EXACTLY how she feels about something, even if she knows your opinion is completely different. which is something i can't do

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, i'm the kind of person that i think about the other person a LOT during conversation. like if i know they like something, even if i don't, i really try to say something positive about it. sometimes it's weird cuz i'll be hating on something but then they say they love it and i have to like concoct this favorable take on it...

there's something about clinging to other people's opinions on music that turns me off.

compare and contrast

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

right ;-) with my boyfriend i can be a total asshole which is refreshing

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

i was really interested in this thread two hours ago and then ilx happened

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 11 April 2008 22:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's more a conversational thing, shakey -- it's a matter of manners, to acquiesce to the other person's viewpoint somewhat, even if you don't totally share it

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

did ILX used to be less.. what it is now? I seem to remember it being friendlier in the greenspun days

daria-g, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

btw this thread inspired me to listen to some Sleepytime Gorilla Museum at work today. it was OK.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

xxp Yeah, that just seems polite.

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

I dunno I guess I do it too to some extent - altho I'm more inclined to try shift the conversation and find common ground about a particular subject than to express an opinion I don't really share. If someone tells me they like something I hate I'm liable to just keep my mouth shut. unless they're being really obnoxious about it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

did ILX used to be less.. what it is now? I seem to remember it being friendlier in the greenspun days

Haha, what prompted that, Daria?

jaymc, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

btw this thread inspired me to listen to some Sleepytime Gorilla Museum at work today. it was OK.

I walked out of a show of theirs once. I, uh, couldn't take it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

Re: Wilco
No, not really. It's just going to be something else that goes in the "to listen" pile, and I still owe reviews on enough crap that I don't need more. I was just using them as a general "new release"-ish thing, even though it's a year old. It was something that my girlfriend's sister just couldn't believe I hadn't heard when it came out, and I kinda felt like I wasn't willing to spend the money and effort to listen to something that I'd probably like incrementally less than all the previous Wilco albums.

This was a nice by-product of starting to listen to the radio again, five years ago, after ignoring it for so long: I could have conversations with co-workers or friends about Jay-Z or whatever.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people who complain about folks only liking "obscure" stuff have a really warped view of what's obscure and what's mainstream. Like, my blindspot tends to be the big "indie" like Arcade Fire or Belle and Sebastian or Spoon (anymore). So it's like, y'know, I was excited about the new Janet Jackson or Rihanna or whatever, even though I probably won't buy 'em, I'm at least radio familar and enjoy 'em. But that mid-tempo rock? I'm just never anywhere that I hear it, and I don't really feel like seeking it out just so I can have conversations about it.

I eat cannibals, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think this kind of douchebagery is a symptom of youth. Once you get past a certain age, people aren't really like this anymore. Because eventually they realize that they would rather have friends and that they are going to die someday.

Mark Rich@rdson, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

Haha, what prompted that, Daria?

Most threads I've posted on aside from rolling 2008 ringtone?

daria-g, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

surmounter, i've found that lots of people who don't have patience for artistic appreciation suck as people. they tend to be douchebags into self-promotion, who can't be bothered with shit that doesn't directly advance their douchebag selves. (i guess there's an argument to be made that demonstrating your obscure knowledge is self-promotion, albeit demented and sad; either way, i'll take that over dudes discussing how awesome they are at golf and getting laid or whatever.) conversely, like catsup, i've found that a taste for obscurity is a good sign someone doesn't suck as a person. but hey, we all run in different circles

kamerad, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

hmm... i mean, i think it seems like i don't appreciate a taste for the obscure. i certainly do -- i mean, in certain circles, some of what i listen to is obscure, and it's always disappointing when people can't relate to it. yup just wanted to clear that up.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's strange how even Kate Bush is so obscure to a lot of people i interact with... that's always such a let-down.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

who the fuck is kate bush

omar little, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

"I only listen to top 40 and Sublime Frequencies"

--Steven Q. Shasta, Wakeboard Extraordinaire

jaxon, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum is one of my favorite bands, not because they are obscure, but because they are AWESOME.

your results may vary, of course

John Justen, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

SGM put on one of the worst shows I've ever seen at the Elbow Room. Later, I noticed that they didn't look anything like their photos, or sound anything like their clips. I never bothered to figure out what happened, but SGM was on the bill, and the band claimed to be SGM. Is it possible there are two?

I eat cannibals, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

was there a botoh dancer at the show you're thinking of? They did a tour a few years ago that was 100% improvised with a dude in a cage.

John Justen, Friday, 11 April 2008 23:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

these days i mostly rely on metacritc and the quarterly "waht is best" roundups in the various rolling threads. try to hear the stuff everybody in respective threads agrees upon, hasn't steered me wrong yet.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 12 April 2008 00:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

what is it with people who think completely obscure music is cool?

All music is cool

water, Saturday, 12 April 2008 01:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

i mean, ugh. does this piss anyone off? it's like you're not really with it unless you like some band no one's heard of

why does it piss you off? because you really to be "WITH IT"? who do you hang out with, 13 year olds???

winston, Saturday, 12 April 2008 01:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

really WANT to be

winston, Saturday, 12 April 2008 01:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

try to hear the stuff everybody in respective threads agrees upon, hasn't steered me wrong yet.

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver

haha don't worry, there are plenty of land mines waiting to go off in your face in those threads

omar little, Saturday, 12 April 2008 01:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

you have to choose between being pissed off about something and not giving a shit about it; you can't have it both ways

winston, Saturday, 12 April 2008 01:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think what Surmounter is talking about is some left-field bands that other people have tried to sell him on that aren't actually any good. One of the sad truths about the inability of the vast majority of musicians to make any money these days is that many of them fit the same description.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 12 April 2008 02:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also stence's comment was perfect and funny, jaymc you gotta lighten up!

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 12 April 2008 02:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

some left-field bands that . . . aren't actually any good. One of the sad truths about the inability of the vast majority of musicians to make any money these days is that many of them fit the same description.

Name names.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 April 2008 02:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

why does it piss you off? because you really to be "WITH IT"? who do you hang out with, 13 year olds???

At least Surmounter has a sense of humor about being a special princess.

libcrypt, Saturday, 12 April 2008 02:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

???

winston, Saturday, 12 April 2008 03:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

ian, Saturday, 12 April 2008 03:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also stence's comment was perfect and funny, jaymc you gotta lighten up!

Argh, I know it's funny, that's why I said "haha!" at the end of my post. At the time, though, I was kind of like, "who does this clown think he is?"

jaymc, Saturday, 12 April 2008 04:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

Someone's probably already said this, I hope, but I can't be arsed to read through 168 posts of trollbait-carcrash, which I'm assuming is what's here, but surely in the age of the internet barely anything is genuinely obscure anymore, and thus people whining about this are just too thick to google.

Scik Mouthy, Saturday, 12 April 2008 06:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hahah Sick Mouthy OTM!

Surmounter, I mean no offense. I know we share a love of Kate Bush, and that in itself is a deep bond. But I also think "coming across as a 12-year-old" is a valid comment to make about your posts at times.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 12 April 2008 06:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

There are plenty of people in this world who think Kate Bush is obscure.

Scik Mouthy, Saturday, 12 April 2008 06:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh bloody hell sure there are! And you couldn't believe my eyes when someone told me they heard Kate Bush in an elevator in London I was like WTF? That would never happen in the US in a billion years.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 12 April 2008 07:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

Name names.

I don't know, virtually every indie rock band of the last eight years!

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 12 April 2008 11:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also: Pearl Jam. There's a reason it's rare to hear them at "90s nostalgia nights" (shudder)

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 12 April 2008 11:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's kind of amazing Pearl Jam became as huge as they did considering that they had the shelf life of a nanosecond (and I say this as someone who is more positive than negative about them).

HI DERE, Saturday, 12 April 2008 14:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

THIS THREAD TOTALLY MADE ME RETHINK MY ATTITUDES RE: SHIT. WHOA.

res, Saturday, 12 April 2008 14:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

THREAD OF GREAT LEARNING

John Justen, Saturday, 12 April 2008 15:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

did ILX used to be less.. what it is now? I seem to remember it being friendlier in the greenspun days

-- daria-g, Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:01 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Link

it was smaller and more cohesive... but search 'doomie' for some real heartwarming greenspun-era friendliness.

banriquit, Saturday, 12 April 2008 15:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

surely in the age of the internet barely anything is genuinely obscure anymore, and thus people whining about this are just too thick to google.

-- Scik Mouthy, Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:31 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

not outside the mentalist hothouse that is ilx, no. what are these no-obscure-music-knowing rubes supposed to google?

banriquit, Saturday, 12 April 2008 15:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

"obscure" "music"

HI DERE, Saturday, 12 April 2008 15:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.last.fm/group/Obscure+Music+Recommendations

^^ seems to mean radiohead.

banriquit, Saturday, 12 April 2008 15:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 Radiohead 92
2 The Beatles 64
3 David Bowie 57
4 Belle and Sebastian 51
5 Björk 45
5 Muse 45
7 The Doors 44
7 Sigur Rós 44
9 The White Stripes 43
9 Portishead 43
9 Pink Floyd 43
9 Nine Inch Nails 43

lolololol

HI DERE, Saturday, 12 April 2008 15:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

"I'm totally into obscure bands, like Pink Floyd and The Beatles!"

HI DERE, Saturday, 12 April 2008 15:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

STRANGE

Surmounter, Saturday, 12 April 2008 15:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

Only real path to obscurity nowadays: Release only on vinyl/cassette/8-track.

libcrypt, Saturday, 12 April 2008 16:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

and limited numbered hand-painted CDR.

sleeve, Saturday, 12 April 2008 16:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

not outside the mentalist hothouse that is ilx, no. what are these no-obscure-music-knowing rubes supposed to google?

I kind of meant that if someone mentions a band that one hasn't heard of, and thinks may be obscure, that all one has to do is google. Not that one would, when desirous of getting into obscure bands, sit at google typing 'obscure / dreamboat gorllia" or whatever.

Scik Mouthy, Saturday, 12 April 2008 16:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't think it's obscurity that is attractive. i think that the type of person who explores is attractive.

cryfok, Saturday, 12 April 2008 17:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

i met someone who once described his favorite running song as "kind of obscure" and proceeded to explain that it was Blur's "Song #2".

res, Sunday, 13 April 2008 17:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

STRANGE

-- Surmounter, Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:45 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

it makes me feeeel strange

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 13 April 2008 17:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

HAHAAHAH! You've heard Thee Majesty haven't you!

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 13 April 2008 17:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hardcore Pearl Jam fans have a touch of obscurantism, don't they? They like to rave about how experimental and non-commercial PJ became during their No Code/Yield/Binaural era -- "this isn't the Pearl Jam you'll hear on top 40 radio," "this is better than 99.99% of the shit that passes for mainstream 'grunge' these days" "Ed Vedder doesn't care what anyone thinks" "they really stuck it to Epic Records, huh?" etc. Plus the fans have a billion rare bootlegs to fight over, and Vedder isn't above bigging up semi-obscure acts like The Frogs and Sleater-Kinney.

It seems like some music fans distance themselves from the masses by pursuing a bunch of super-obscure acts, whereas others gain so much esoteric knowledge about a few mainstream acts that they feel like they've one-upped the casual fan. It's quite possible to be a music geek/hipster/curio hunter/obscurantist even if your favorite bands are all household names.

Ol Bertie Dastard, Sunday, 13 April 2008 21:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum is one of my favorite bands, not because they are obscure, but because they are AWESOME.

most accurate statement on ilx ever.

m the g, Sunday, 13 April 2008 21:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

xpost "m the g is an idiot" should quickly replace it.

brightscreamer, Monday, 14 April 2008 01:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hello, mr. 4-hour-xposter waht???

libcrypt, Monday, 14 April 2008 01:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

My favorite Obscure record was the first, Gavin Bryar's The Sinking of the Titanic.

-- dan selzer, Friday, April 11, 2008 10:01 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Link

I'm actually going to check this out because of this thread. That's why this thread is useful to me. Thanks Dan.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 14 April 2008 02:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Can't speak to the others, but this version of The Sinking Of The Titanic is great, albeit obscure, I guess.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 14 April 2008 02:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

What I think is funny is that indie kids these days want to be into bands that might be "obscure" in some frames of reference but are not actually very obscure, in that they are on large labels and have expensive promo campaigns and play big shows and such. Because if they were truly obscure then they wouldn't be able to bond with other indie kids over their mutual appreciation, and that is the main objective.

Does that make sense? Like they want to be able to say "I love The Arcade Fire. You love The Arcade Fire too? Wow that is such an unlikely shared interest, we are totally soulmates, let's make out!" But they wouldn't want to say "I love Donny Donald and the Assholes! You've never heard of them? Oh, bummer."

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 14 April 2008 02:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Indie kids" have always been like that, no? 80s Indie Kid: "I love The Cure. You love The Cure, too? Wow . . ."

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 14 April 2008 02:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

But they wouldn't want to say "I love Donny Donald and the AssholesSteve Goldberg and the Arch-Enemies! You've never heard of them? Oh, bummer."

-- St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 14 April 2008 02:53 (3 minutes ago) Link

^^^ fixed.

ian, Monday, 14 April 2008 02:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

No Donny Donald and the Assholes are a good band.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

1) KILLING MUSIC
2) Donny Donald and the Assholes
-- Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Monday, July 3, 2006 10:19 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

ian, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

Obviously I didn't just jump on the DD&tAH bandwagon.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh my god someone please get to EXCELSIOR thread quick with the Donny Donald...

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

how is their denny lethargy collab

xpost

electricsound, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

Will someone more sober than I am please start a poll for Donny Donald & the Assholes. Please.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

First to write an essay regarding Sha Na Na comparisons to DD&TAH wins.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

I ran into this dude who I hate for various reasons the other week and he was drunk and starting prattling on about all these bands he's going to be seeing. and he said 'have you ever heard of explosions in the sky?'. and I said 'yeah from that football movie soundtrack'.

wilter, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

Weren't DD&TAH once produced by Bruce Dunslap, the same guy who produced the legendary Dreamboat Gorilla LP "Long Way To The Top" from 1980?

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

ILX BREATHALYZER FAILURE BEEP BEEP YR COMPUTER WILL BE LOCKING UP IN 5 SECONDS

libcrypt, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, he was at the controls on their eponymous EP in '87. It's out of print but I have a vinyl copy from the first run. "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" is such a classic tune. Let's hold hands and listen to it.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Still waiting to see the reunion of Steve G01dberg and the Lesser Assholes.

libcrypt, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

i have more respect for people who like good popular music than people who like bullshit obscure music. for example, i'd prefer someone's favorite artists to be the Beatles, Bob Marley, Michael Jackson, and Jay-Z than say any number of nonsense indie bands.

pipecock, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

i have more respect for people who like good popular music than people who like bullshit obscure music.

challenging opinions

electricsound, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

lol

wilter, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" rules. Have you got the 12" extended remix?

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 14 April 2008 03:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

this thread was great for about the first 50 posts but then it got boring

strgn, Monday, 14 April 2008 04:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

matt h. and surmounter otm in those first 50

strgn, Monday, 14 April 2008 04:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

thank you, good night

strgn, Monday, 14 April 2008 04:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

xpost "m the g is an idiot" should quickly replace it.

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum is one of my favorite bands, not because they are obscure, but because they are AWESOME.

most accurate statement on ilx ever.

-- m the g, Sunday, 13 April 2008 21:27 (Yesterday)

xpost "m the g is an idiot" should quickly replace it.

-- brightscreamer, Monday, 14 April 2008 01:42 (11 h

ka-pow! you wound me! care to elaborate, or is this just a half-arsed zing fling?

m the g, Monday, 14 April 2008 13:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

never mind. my cack-handed copying and pasting kind of proved your point for you.

m the g, Monday, 14 April 2008 13:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

"was there a botoh dancer at the show you're thinking of? They did a tour a few years ago that was 100% improvised with a dude in a cage."

Nobody in a cage that I remember, but it's been a couple of years and I am reasonably sure that I was drunk. About the only mental image I can pull is a black woman playing keyboards.

By now I kind of hope that it was a prank pulled by the band, but at the time I remember being fairly annoyed. "I AM A MEMBER OF THE LOCAL PRESS! YOU CANNOT DO THIS TO ME!"

I do remember that they'd sent me a promo before the show, and that the promo was pretty good. I think I'll go see if I can find them again.

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 18:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also Goldberg's pretty much right, aside from the (previously noted) ascribing it as a current phenomenon. But it's kind of weird for me to be around people like that who are WAY into such a tiny slice of music. Like, you know every word on the Arcade Fire album and want to talk about hidden meanings? But you can't talk about, I dunno, Talking Heads, and you get freaked out by the Cambodia Rocks albums? That just seems weird to me, though I understand that I've got a pretty terrible sample set for what's normal regarding music listening.

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 18:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

that is a different sleepytime gorilla museum (?!) then, because they have no keyboard player, and the only woman in the band is Carla Kihlsted, who plays violin.

John Justen, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 21:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

ctrl-f "challenging"

The Reverend, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 22:42 (6 years ago) Permalink


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