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aka Adele - This summers biggest hit?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 4 January 2008 12:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Adele, Another one more like

--djmartian

Just got offed, Friday, 4 January 2008 12:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

word

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 4 January 2008 12:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Not The Dele, ...

Mark G, Friday, 4 January 2008 12:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Dom Passantino, Friday, 4 January 2008 12:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm sick of Adele.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 4 January 2008 12:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

Bring back Uffie.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 4 January 2008 12:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

aka adele stephens - page 3 stunner

sam500, Friday, 4 January 2008 14:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

bad thread

blueski, Friday, 4 January 2008 14:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Bad thread, you are beautiful.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 4 January 2008 14:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

I had a mate with a speech impediment who used to call Adebola "Delia Adeboner"

That mong guy that's shit, Friday, 4 January 2008 14:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

bad thread

-- blueski, Friday, January 4, 2008 2:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

it's here for the long haul, skip.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 4 January 2008 14:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Mark has been questioned by the police on account of the fact that the body of his fiancee, Natasha Collins, was found in the flat they shared.

"At the moment no-one knows what happened. Mark found her body in the bathroom and immediately called an ambulance and the police.

"The police are conducting further enquiries and a post-mortem is under way.

"Mark was the only other person present in the flat and has therefore been questioned by police as a matter of course.

"He is assisting police with their enquiries and had nothing to do with Natasha's death.

"Mark is absolutely distraught at the loss of Natasha and hopes that everyone will appreciate what a very sad time this is for both Mark and Natasha's family.

"Mark hopes that you will buy Adele's debut album, in shops January 28th. It's Adeleriffic!"

Dom Passantino, Friday, 4 January 2008 14:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

i like her.

much better than that kate nash trash you brits were getting excited about last year...

The Brainwasher, Friday, 4 January 2008 23:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

does he mean us?

blueski, Friday, 4 January 2008 23:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, I think she is OK... I don't know about that "you brits" thing, probably just a media reference? But I like her a lot better than that horrible Kate Nash. At least she has some smallish amount of integrity in a look at me I went to BRIT and happen to like Regina Spektor kind of way. She COULD be a lot better. Ultimately a disappointment and not really worth the amount of typing I have already done.

I am so sick of the XL/Moshi Moshi tastemaking mafia.

Saxby D. Elder, Sunday, 6 January 2008 19:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Her album is pretty good.. she's at her best when the backing music is whimsical and lively, when she does the whole "sparse singer-songwriter acoustic guitar" thing it's SO BORING (besides "Daydreamer").

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 31 January 2008 12:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

Where were the XL/Moshi Moshi tastemaking mafia when Annie From Norway needed them? Eh?

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 31 January 2008 12:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

She's not bad, but pretty much the safe alternative for people who hate the hip-hop influence and potty mouth of Amy Winehouse and find Kate Nash too cutesy.

That said, "Chasing Pavements" and "Right As Rain" are great songs. But can we declare a moratorium on covering "To Make You Feel My Love"? Billy Joel and Garth Brooks already ruined it for everyone else, especially if you aren't even going to try anything new with it.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 31 January 2008 13:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

the hip-hop influence and potty mouth of Amy Winehouse

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

Tom D., Thursday, 31 January 2008 13:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

That was a nearly exact quote from my cousin as to why she didn't like Winehouse, she didn't like "the hip-hop stuff and her potty mouth". I'm just saying Adele is like the "safe" option for those that don't like Winehouse.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 31 January 2008 13:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

she's a better singer than winehouse imo.

but winehouse has better songs/is more interesting.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 31 January 2008 14:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Dear Private Eye, blah-di-blah related seperated at birth yadda yadda


Dom Passantino, Saturday, 2 February 2008 17:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

new album entitled 21 is produced almost entirely by rick rubin, the first single is described as "gospel disco"

needless to say I am very excited 4 this

i am not a display name (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 15:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

I thought Winehouse had the talent and Adele was just better looking, but Rick Rubin though, maybe I should try again. It didn't bowl me over.

like you really know who trisomie 21 is (u s steel), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 18:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Brainwasher² = (The Brainwasher) X (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 01:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

:D

Here we are in a sticky situation/ (Tape Store), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

!!!

The Brainwasher² = (The Brainwasher) X (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

we could have had it alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

ok (Tape Store), Sunday, 26 December 2010 06:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

that's a hell of a song

goole, Thursday, 30 December 2010 23:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Someone Like You = a worldwide number 1 hit if ever there was one. A reminder just how powerful a simple ballad with just a piano and a voice can be when it's done right.

piscesx, Friday, 21 January 2011 15:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

she shouldnt pull her hair back like that

plax (ico), Friday, 21 January 2011 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

is she the writer? both of these songs are fantastic. they feel like classics already to me. i'm really surprised because i hated that chasing pavements song.

jed_, Friday, 21 January 2011 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

i kinda had the same reaction but the rusko remix of cold shoulder made me realise that its a kickass song and shes a great singer.

plax (ico), Friday, 21 January 2011 17:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

a worldwide number 1 hit if ever there was one

always weirded out when people use this line to praise a song. so it's about as good as "the time (dirty bit)", then.

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 21 January 2011 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

anyway re: adele, i wrote this at the jukebox, but i was totally shocked by "rolling in the deep" - i'd hated everything i heard off her first album, so to hear her do something w/genuine gravitas and personality was a surprise. what happened to her in those two years?

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 21 January 2011 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

(i don't think it's quite amazing, though - still a bit reverent to its influences)

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 21 January 2011 17:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah well adele was so clearly part of the a&r rush to replace winehouse before she ODed so its fair to assume that her first album might have been somewhat manhandled into shape whereas this one has the legitimation of **big name producer** rick rubin and I think that things like that tend to grant ppl a little more autonomy maybe. i mean obv this is speculation.

plax (ico), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp yeah 'classic' isn't a word i'd bandy about willy nilly but that's what comes to mind to me too re: Someone Like You.
writing credits are as follows:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_%28Adele_album%29
very much the Florence vibe; writer shows up with bits/ideas/bare bones, Epworth et al finish em off, take a half/third of the publishing. Adele herself has said the writing is "60%" hers.

piscesx, Friday, 21 January 2011 20:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

also a useful reminder not to write off artists based on debuts made when they were a teenager, even if the hype and press line are tedious - certainly i don't expect songwritery artists (which adele is, i guess) to find their voice at that stage, and if they do then they're a rare exception

xp

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

what age is this chick??

plax (ico), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

the clue is in the album titles - i know, such a lame thing to do ONCE let alone twice

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

(i don't think it's quite amazing, though - still a bit reverent to its influences)

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, January 21, 2011 11:11 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

i really like the song, but on a formal level, i'd state this differently. i think the "old motown" crowd would have had a little more play and spikiness in the backing. as it is this chugs along in a straightforward rock kind of way. i think if they had been reverent on that level it would sound less retro, if that makes sense. it's kind of white-stripes-y

goole, Friday, 21 January 2011 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'd go with that - i was referring more to her vocal being reverent. i really like the arrangement, though.

also i've just listened to "someone like you" and...not feeling it, it's leaving me as cold/bored as the stuff off the first album. brit school ersatz soul, you are never too far away :(

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh shes my age

plax (ico), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

She's 22.

I definitely agree she has grown a whole lot since her first album (though there were a few choice songs on that one - "Right As Rain," "Cold Shoulder,"). 21 has some truly remarkable moments - I'd consider "Rolling in the Deep" a classic already, and other standouts for me "Set Fire To Rain," "He Won't Go," the bridge in "Rumor Has It" (incredible). She does have a tendency towards the maudlin and some of the songs are over-arranged, but yeah - I love how she melds all of these influences that I wouldn't necessarily like on their own - rockabilly, there's a definite classic rock influence on some tracks. Such a great voice too, obviously

The Brainwasher, Friday, 21 January 2011 20:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah Rumour Has It is a barnstormer. dunno much about your man Ryan Tedder but hats off to him for his studio trickery anyway.

piscesx, Friday, 21 January 2011 20:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

Someone Like You is in the itunes Top 20 and it's only an album track so far. The people have spoken! Currently the album is outselling the rest of the UK album chart combined. Hats off madame! http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/sessions/2011-01-27_adeleliveloungespecial

piscesx, Thursday, 27 January 2011 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

okay her cover of "Lovesong" is great

DJP, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Thought she did an amazing job on "Someone Like You" at last night's Brits. Clearly a song with direct personal resonance, as she was on the brink of tears by the end of it.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 11:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

"someone like you" has returned me to my original standpoint that she's a hack and a journeywoman. so dull.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 12:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

The song is OK-to-good, but I thought the performance was outstanding, and highly affecting.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 14:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

No one with a voice that good can really be considered a hack, but she's just a bit... boring.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

bad thread

-- blueski, Friday, January 4, 2008 2:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

it's here for the long haul, skip.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, January 4, 2008 2:47 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark

we did it

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 14:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

20/02/2011 - Adele equals Beatles’ record to lead Official Charts Brits Bonanza

Adele’s Someone Like You rockets up the Official Singles Chart from last week’s number 47 to become the UK’s new number one after her powerful live television performance at last Tuesday’s Brit Awards, while her current album 21 heads the Official Albums Chart for a fourth week, the Official Charts Company announces today.

Not content with achieving the chart double of simultaneous number ones in the nation’s Official Singles and Official Albums charts, the twenty-two-year-old artist boasts two more Top 5 hits this week; her single Rolling In The Deep and her debut album 19 are each at number four in their respective charts.

Adele is the first living artist to achieve the feat of two Top 5 hits in both the Official Singles Chart and the Official Albums Chart simultaneously since The Beatles back in January 1964 when their singles I Want To Hold Your Hand and She Loves You were numbers two and five and their albums With The Beatles and Please Please Me were numbers one and two.

Adele’s phenomenal achievement spearheads a huge surge in sales for all the artists who won or performed at the Brit Awards 2011. Total album sales for Brits’ artists were up 70% week on week with Laura Marling’s album I Speak Because I Can recording the biggest chart leap from last week’s number 80 to this week’s number 21.

danzig, Sunday, 20 February 2011 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Finally listening to 21. I like her, but I really wasn't in a hurry to hear it I guess. Too bad, because this is great!

she's a hack and a journeywoman

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 February 2011 19:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

She's no hack. Someone Like You is thumpingly predictable - seemingly designed for X-Factor cover versions - which makes the Brits performance all the more impressive.

DL, Thursday, 24 February 2011 20:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

okay her cover of "Lovesong" is great

It is really good, I was wondering whether you would like it or not.

Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Thursday, 24 February 2011 20:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tiring though it is to be typing the words "Nabisco OTM" once again, this first para sums up exactly how I felt about the Someone Like You performance:

Sometimes you only really start appreciating someone like Adele when she’s singing a bad song. There’s some workmanlike, blandly tasteful arrangement lolling behind her like a boiled potato; the lyrics have gone all banal; the string section seems to be courting viewers of whichever network-TV drama needs to score a pensive montage ... and yet the main thing you’re thinking is: Who broke Adele’s heart, and why would they do that, and can they not hear how marvelous she is?

DL, Friday, 25 February 2011 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Full review here:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/02/adeles_21_its_the_singer_not_t.html

DL, Friday, 25 February 2011 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Why is everyone talking about how it's intentionally constructed for future television use? The songs sound pretty honest to me. I'm I just not as cynical as I used to be?

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 25 February 2011 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

There's something very generic about the chord changes and arrangement of Someone Like You - it seems calculated and I think the honesty is all in the voice, ie in spite of the song rather than because of it. But then these days it's pretty hard to write a straightforward big-sounding piano ballad that doesn't sound like the closing scenes of Grey's Anatomy.

I've been dancing since 9 and I'm tired and hungry (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 25 February 2011 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i fuck w/ this -- the world needs a good dramatic piano ballad every once in a while

little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 04:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

her voice gets kinda weird tho when she goes into her upper registers

little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 04:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

i loved "chasing pavements" too

little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 04:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

i really like rolling in the deep

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 25 March 2011 23:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

i really like rolling balls deep

a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 March 2011 00:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Snrub otm, it's a great single! don't really care for anything else i've heard, but i haven't heard all of 21 yet

her Lovesong cover is an abortion btw, DJP u mad

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Saturday, 26 March 2011 01:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, the cover of lovesong is awful, easily the worst track on 21.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 26 March 2011 03:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

i mean, it's better than the 311 version, at least, though...

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Monday, 28 March 2011 15:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

What is with you people over there:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/apr/04/adele-breaks-madonnas-album-record

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 April 2011 17:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Adele is some hot garbage son.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

crazy how massive she is now

just sayin, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol fat joek

A Zed and Two Nults (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I kind of despise this woman so it rather irritates me how much I love 'Rolling in the Deep' and 'Set Fire to the Rain'. Thankfully 'Someone Like You' is utter tosh!

uberweiss, Sunday, 8 May 2011 10:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

True they are better songs. Can't stand her voice though. I just can't understand why she is so popular. Her image seems to appeal to people this kind of 'realness'. The matey, realness in interviews is such a turn off.

mmmm, Sunday, 8 May 2011 11:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Thats a great read.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would love it if no one ever used the term "sell-out" to earnestly describe a professional musician ever again.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

(to follow on from Maura's point)

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not really under the impression her diyness or whatever is going to be pushed here, "discount" tickets were for $200 in ny

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

("discount" being through whatever service my benefits provider provides which isn't usually all that much)

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Adele never makes any claims to being DIY or having low ticket prices so I don't know what you mean there.

Maura is overstating the Gaga comparison (though it nicely provides her piece with a relevant angle.) eg.

funny, given Lady Gaga's constant assertions that she, too, doesn't lipsync, and writes her own material.

Yet in the Independent piece lip-synching and songwriting are never mentioned and the only contrast made with Gaga is her extreme ubiquity.This interview was covered in the Mail who chose to present a similar set of quotes to elaborate about Adele's anxiety attacks and self-image problems. I suspect this is actually the most common narrative for Adele, rather than as the anti-Gaga/women in music interpretation.

Anyway, I don't really see what Maura is so butthurt at Adele about. It's not even clear if the original Q interview presents these quotes as Adele's "rules". I haven't read the Q interview but most likely these are just random quotes which have been summarized this way by the writer at the Indie. Maura buys the idea that there's some kind of self-righteous personal manifesto at work, which allows for the accusations of supposed hypocrisy ("is autotune OK if you only use it during the marketing of your music?...Is appearing on TV shows for a straight week and taping an episode of Unplugged OK because it's "about the music").

everything, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think you're mistaking what Maura thinks about Adele directly with what she sees as the rhetoric around her -- which, in fact, dovetails completely with your own point!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I realize the article is obstensibly about the media but there's potshots at Adele herself which are groundless - at least based on the Indie article.

everything, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wish people would give the "soulless Autotune" criticism a rest, too.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Again, neither Adele nor the Indie article mention autotune at all.

everything, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

no, but Maura did

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Right. The majority of the supposed signifiers of authenticity mentioned in the VV piece are not present in the Independent article. So what's the point?

everything, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Meaning you've never heard anyone complaining about Autotune's supposed inauthenticity at all in any context? Quite a happy life you have.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

seems like a bit of a popist knee-jerk reaction to traditional rockism yet as a popist myself has to be said i'm not picking up what she seems to be from the Indie piece. the Q piece hasn't even come out yet! i mean unless she's read it already? doesn't seem so. so this is a Voice piece, about an Independent piece, about a Q piece that no-one's read yet?!

piscesx, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

and then the title says that its rebutting other articles that havent even been written yet

just sayin, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

xxpost to Ned. A happy life despite many autotune complaints. But the most common complaint I hear about autotune is not really it's lack of "authenticity" but rather that it is aesthetically displeasing and is an extremely over-used production trick.

everything, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

has to be said the cover looks pretty good!

piscesx, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 13:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think Maura's piece is a little premature - responding to arguments that haven't been made yet. Why shouldn't Adele adhere to certain principles if she likes?

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

To be fair, I don't think the point is that Adele shouldn't do what she wants to do; I think Maura is identifying an easy, semi-nonsensical rhetorical stance (Adele vs Gaga) and pointing out why it's stupid before other writers get a chance to latch onto it.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

but thats a weird thing to do? surely you could find enough things to write about that you dont need to make up stances that other critics have

just sayin, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's been an undercurrent to Adele's whole deal/appeal the whole time, though, this sense of a 'real' female singer inspired by 'real' music! Hell, for a lot of recent UK acts -- Amy Winehouse, Joss Stone, Duffy, etc. You can't handwave something that's been intrinsic.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's not an undercurrent, it's the absolute cornerstone of her marketing/appeal, as much as it is was with Ocean Colour Scene or whoever.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think "weird" is the right way to look at it; it's more that this is a thought piece pointed towards other critics that is also being presented to "the rest of us". The seeds of this are absolutely floating out there; I was listening to a lot of The Current a couple of weeks ago (indie rock public radio based in Minneapolis) during their pledge drive and their playlist was basically super lol indie (The Decemberists got played a HELL of a lot) mixed in with old Public Enemy and many, many, many promos for a competition to win tickets to see Adele. This was all intermingled with testimonials written by people giving pledges hailing the station for playing "real" music (like The Decemberists). It's a small sample size, I admit, but the sentiment Maura is reacting against is out there.

My only beef is with the autotune criticism, which I feel has become its own tired, overused dismissal tactic.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is another can of worms that i perhaps shouldn't open given that i'm on deadline, but the way in which adele's body image is also conflated with her "realness" has made me kinda uncomfortable of late too - like, it's gone beyond applauding someone who refuses to ~conform~ to the ~ideal~ and into making the logical leap that because she doesn't diet, it makes her a more worthy (or better?) artist - and then you see quotes from her like "my aim in life is never to get skinny" and it's like, well done, you have replaced one weight-based goal with another. and then you see her bringing up nicole richie as someone she doesn't want to look like (someone who's had v public health issues re: her own weight), which is about as tasteless as you get.

the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost Sure, and I can understand the online journalism pressure to respond quickly, even it seems premature. But I do think Adele deserves some credit for the stance she takes on commercials and arena gigs, which is a distinct issue from whether NPR types think her music is "real".

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost i don't think she can be blamed for 'replacing one weight-based goal with another' just because of one off-hand comment she made in an interview one time.

piscesx, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Maybe it's a good idea to see her as an opinionated individual rather than a trojan horse for revanchist rockism.

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lex I think your knee's jerking a bit there - that Adele quote is obviously a flippant and jokily defiant comment rather than an actual statement of intent. When you consider how many nasty comments she must get about her weight (coupled with the fact that it probably IS much healthier to be Adele than Nicole Ritchie) I don't really see the problem.

Maybe it's a good idea to see her as an opinionated individual rather than a trojan horse for revanchist rockism.

Hah, or this, alternatively.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Maybe it's a good idea to see her as an opinionated individual

yeah this is the line i see pushed a lot but her opinions aren't particularly earth-shattering and are in fact kinda dumb. this is like la roux (except not as bad), when someone who's perceived to be a counter to ~mainstream pressure~ says bolshy things (that are no better when you think about them) they're held up as this SMART REAL GIRL WHO SPEAKS HER MIND~~ - trading on being outspoken even though what they're saying isn't v interesting

the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

She's not a counter to mainstream anything but what she's reacting against is too all-pervasive and damaging for you to just handwave away as part of some lazy rockism.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

you guys are too smart to fall for her marketing schemes. you won't let a 22 year old woman push your buttons. you are to be applauded.

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah this is the line i see pushed a lot but her opinions aren't particularly earth-shattering and are in fact kinda dumb. this is like la roux (except not as bad), when someone who's perceived to be a counter to ~mainstream pressure~ says bolshy things (that are no better when you think about them) they're held up as this SMART REAL GIRL WHO SPEAKS HER MIND~~ - trading on being outspoken even though what they're saying isn't v interesting

There are very few people who are actually interesting, is the thing, and most of them are not making wildly successful music at the moment.

I mean, right now the currently successful pop star who has come off the most interesting to me in an interview is Katy Perry, and that is solely because of how little conflict she sees between her stage show/songs and her Christianity.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think it's cool that she's a bigger, um, pop star. makes her more real in my book. big girls with big voices always kind of the exception in pop? but it's refreshing anyway.

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

and she really is just using her voice to sell songs. that's pretty authentic!

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think it's cool that she's a bigger, um, pop star. makes her more real in my book.

really??????

the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean that attitude right there is what i'm reacting to. who cares what size she is? what bearing does that have on her music?

the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean i've heard the music everywhere but i didn't even know what she looked like until recently. her "image" isn't really a big deal over here from what i can tell.

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha-ha. Right on Scott.

everything, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

it doesn't matter as far as the music goes but image is such a huge part of the pop business. so it means a lot really.

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Who cares what size she is? What bearing does it have on her music?" is a bit of a disingenuous line to take though, especially when at least 95% of girls who are allowed to get ANYWHERE in the music industry are only allowed that far because they're conventionally attractive.

It'd be like if there was only one black performer in the charts and for someone to be all "Who cares what colour they are? It's the music that counts" and you would be the first to rail against that.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think there's a kind of lazy cognitive shorthand going on here on both sides of the debate "she's real because she doesn't use autotune/is a bit heavier than other popstars" vs "she's rockist because she talks about being heavier than other popstars as if this makes her better than Beyonce/Gaga/whoever".

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

And I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even like Adele's music.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbh I would love to destroy the image component of music appreciation, but this is largely because:

- as a performer who operates largely in the sphere of classical ensembles, I feel that it is irrelevant to the quality of the musical performances I participate in and that feeling seeps into my attitude towards the music I listen to;

- I rarely watch videos or go to shows that don't feature my friends

ergo, a good amount of the effort put into image is wasted on me (outside of, say, awards shows and SNL appearances, lol forever @ Gaga)

however, I am more than aware that my experience with music is nowhere near most other people's experiences and how foolish it would be to insist that things would be better if everyone processed it the way I do, even though not-that-deep-down I really believe that to be the case

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

she - adele - doesn't make a big deal about it in her songs though, right? looks and all that? a lot of skinny pop stars do make it a part of their act. that whole xtina don't let anyone tell you you aren't cool and beautiful thing. it's a thing. the madonna self-pity thing. i'm all for it actually. but it might actually make more sense coming from someone who looks like someone you might know.

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

the no sell out thing is even a headline in countess chocula's webpaperzine. so maybe maura was just slightly ahead of the curve:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/adele-in-q-magazine-fears-glastonbury_n_866633.html

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I actually find it hugely depressing that anyone would attack that quote rather than, say, the institutional sexism of the music industry, *especially* some of the bits that peddle so-called "empowerment anthems".

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

even beyonce has to roll around on the ground and writhe like a snake to sell feminist enlightenment.

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol, that is why I think "Flaws and All" is Beyonce's strongest empowerment anthem

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Matt OTM. Adele doesn't even make a big deal about her weight - she's no Beth Ditto - and in the Q feature she comes across as anything but dumb. I don't understand Lex's problem with her. (As a person, I mean - music aside)

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's like the Janelle Monae backlash. "Why is everyone interested in this interesting person? Won't somebody think of the generic R&B hotties?" Musicians shouldn't be punished for the prejudices of their dumbest proponents.

And might not Adele be an interesting alternative to the general showbusiness body-image psychosis that caused Nicole Richie so much trouble as opposed to being Richie's plus-sized persecutor?

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

as far as "authentic" goes, the u.k. has already set the standard to beat.

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

lex i rememer reading yr blogpost about this, and how you thought it was rockist that she wanted to be on the cover of a music magazine rather than vogue, which, she's in music? is this really that bad/unusual?

just sayin, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's not what i wrote

the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

I should hope that's not what you wrote because that makes no sense whatsoever

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Boneheaded rockism (like being on the cover of Q is a higher aspiration than being on the cover of Vogue) <- am i misreading this?

just sayin, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's not quite like the Janelle backlash - for better or worse she was still operating within the same milieu as the rest of R&B. I don't think there are many popstars who are being deprived of press because of Adele, or that they're being dismissed as generic because of her music or anything. I mean, Adele's about as straight-down-the-line and mainstream as they come, musically.

I think there's also a UK/US split - the UK has always preferred more everyman/everywoman pop stars that you don't really get in the States. And then there's a residual UK suspicion of perfectly-formed pantheon of gods and goddesses type pop stars, even when they're really popular here, that Lex has often dismissed as "tall poppy syndrome". In reality I think it's a matter of accessibility vs exclusivity - you also hear it in the differing way British and American pop music approaches the idea of "the club".

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

(Or maybe the US's everymen and everywomen are elsewhere - hip-hop, country, rather than sort of pop music I'm talking about)

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

US everymen/everywomen are in record stores or logging on to iTunes/Amazon buying pop music rather than making it

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Boneheaded rockism (like being on the cover of Q is a higher aspiration than being on the cover of Vogue) <- am i misreading this?

― just sayin, Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:38 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

do me a favour and at least post the full fucking link rather than randomly c/ping one sentence. i really don't have the time right now to be dealing with ilx's crew of nitpickers

the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Adele is surely trying a bit too hard by going "I'd rather play a whole year at the Barfly". No one wants to play even ONE night at the Barfly.

Rolling Stone's treatment of its female cover stars is pretty appalling.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would also like a link to Lex's blog post but since no one on either side of that argument can be bothered to provide any context I'll just make snap judgments on what's been presented on this thread.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha sorry heres a link - http://alexmacpherson.tumblr.com/post/5216888381/adele-smokes-and-says-positive-stuff

just sayin, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

(great url btw)

just sayin, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

okay even in context I don't see how you can fault a musician for saying she would rather be featured by a music magazine than a fashion magazine, or IOW be recognized for her profession rather than her looks

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was an off-the-cuff post in response to that jpg being endlessly blogged and reblogged by the right-on idiots of tumblr all going "fuck yeah adele" as is their wont

the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think the more interesting pertinent thing about the scale of Adele's success now isn't to do with a 'triumph in the face of body fascism' or whatever (hardly a problem in the era Adele's songs/ideals supposedly hark back to after all) but the sense that there can be only one person doing this kind of thing so supposedly well (considering Duffy's somewhat surprising nosedive, Rumer being apparently too niche, dormant Winehouse...different as they all are they're all retro tagged in the same way). doesn't seem like anyone is interested in Adele doing anything other than these sorrowful hearbreak anthems (no more than how thematically pigeon-holed many other big bands are perhaps - Coldplay spring to mind as ever, but it's almost always feels wrong).

feels like the industry required a multi million-seller for an older audience (funny given Adele's youth and inexperience) rather than a selection of different singers all covering similar territory all having similar success.

blueski, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah from a commercial standpoint Adele was a no-brainer, it's still annoying that you see headlines like the one above going 'Adele refuses to sell out', as if she had anything to sell out in the first place.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Adele refuses to sell out by playing slightly-more middle-of-the-road retro soul!

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

attitude to taxation is quite repellent:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/may/25/adele-tax-grievances

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Okay she should stfu now. Suspect she's not alone among million-selling popstars in that regard though.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol Adele, let me help you with your tax woes by not buying your music

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

back in the day peeps could protest by building a massive funeral pyre and throwing the records on it, like they did when the Beatles said they were bigger than Jesus and with disco records coz, well, I never really figured that one out, but it happened. Doesn't quite work with the MP3 generation, even millions of punters tapping the detele key simultaneously doesn't generate much noise now does it?

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

If they all time is juuuuuust right.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it" dammit

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

One thing she's already given up: commercial tie-ins. To Adele, having your music in commercials in paramount to selling out.

"I think it's shameful when you sell out," she told the magazine. "It depends what kind of artist you wanna be but I don't want my name anywhere near another brand. I don't wanna be tainted or haunted."

interesting stance for someone whose current hot 100 #1 single had its initial boost up the sales charts fueled in no small part by film trailers and ads for tv shows

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

also i really fail to understand why it seems like so many people like her for not having a "typical popstar look" or whatever when it seems to me that, apart from being somewhat heavier but not notably so, in appearance she doesn't seem that atypical at all: she's extremely photogenic (i mean, the 21 album cover might be better than much of the music on the album), identifiable, easy to look at, etc. why is she painted as an anti-hero for her looks?

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

... Because she isn't skinny?

I mean, it's not really rocket science.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

is not being skinny that uncommon though

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Among pop stars???????? Is that a serious question?

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, she's not that photogenic either.

everything, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorry if this has already been said, but lex, the quote is ""My aim in life is never to be skinny," not ""My aim in life is to never be skinny"

love you like a frat kid loves Cake (Tape Store), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

uh...think her cherubic babyface is def a factor in her popularity and success tbh. note that her Q cover is a headshot (seem to recall the 'Chasing Pavements' video being particularly facially focussed also). she has a nice face but it can feel a bit (un-necessarily) heavy-handed/overcompensating at times.

blueski, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I notice the preferred pose for her good photos is hiding her chin by looking over her shoulder or with a popped collar. She looks like shit on the cover or Rolling Stone.

everything, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

In the Q cover she's looking over her shoulder with a high collar AND there's a weird little sprig of hair that hides her chin.

everything, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

really? i don't think i've seen a photo of her (including the rs cover shot) and not been all "wow her face is stunningly striking"

and ok fine i guess my skinny question was very silly, sry bout that, i guess i asked because the whole "big-voiced slightly-large female" thing is not uncommon at all and for the majority of them we don't seem to bring up how unusual their weight is in terms of the entire pop landscap

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

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teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

and ok fine i guess my skinny question was very silly, sry bout that, i guess i asked because the whole "big-voiced slightly-large female" thing is not uncommon at all and for the majority of them we don't seem to bring up how unusual their weight is in terms of the entire pop landscap

― teledyldonix, Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:39 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark

well, there are oldsters like Susan Boyle moving units on albums, and plenty of niche R&B stars with larger figures, but as far as young women with #1 pop singles, Adele is basically in the company of a bunch of skinny bitches

Señor Smang (some dude), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

to split the difference a little, it is a known (i won't say 'accepted') archetype for a singer tho, kind of an eternal return kind of a thing.

goole, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well yes, but it's not an archetype that usually rushes up the pop charts unless it's as an anonymous singer in the background while a skinnier, prettier woman lip-syncs in the video.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

speaking of album covers, i'm glad she remembers herself cuz i didn't even know she had a new album out:

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

J Hud's been all over the media the last few months (more for touting her weight loss on talk shows and Weight Watchers ads than for her album having any big hits)

Señor Smang (some dude), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was just trying to think of non-skinny american pop people and i didn't even know about the new diet thing!

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

An unhealthy lifestyle cast as a virtue (also, note the cigarette)

Lex, that is one of the most bizarre criticisms of a pop star I have ever read.

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

lex is just being ornery/contrary

again

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

its not always about rockism, sometimes ppl just get tired of fun vacuity

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Love how that implies Adele is like Tolstoy or something.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

love how you inferred that

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

shit getting real in the adele thread.

Tim F, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Love how shit's getting real in the adele thread

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

remy bean, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

she looks like she's got a touch of the downs

remy bean, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

looks like a gormless mike leigh character there

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

"I think it's shameful when you sell out," she told the magazine. "It depends what kind of artist you wanna be but I don't want my name anywhere near another brand. I don't wanna be tainted or haunted."

Perhaps only haunting is the ethereal, touching quality of her music; Adele recently sat down for a sessions performance with AOL Music, absolutely blowing away the room.

jaymc, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pedantic

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway i see nothing wrong with someone pointing out some of the crappier/most superficial/vacuous things dominating pop music in 2011. what lex likes and backs at all costs is ruling the roost, so adele IS something of an anomaly in mainstream pop terms and someone offering opposition to that is never a bad thing. obv she cant claim underdog status selling as much as she does, but she isnt not your typical pop star - and obv aware of it, perhaps too much, but hey, nothing wrong with some opposition in music, even if her stance is going to have a few holes in it, hello pedants, these are pop stars were talking about - which im cool with. be nice if the music was a bit less MOR tho.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I really have to hand it to Adele. I can't think of many other artists who seem equally beloved by teenage pop fans and older AAA listeners. Early prediction: "Rolling in the Deep" will be #1 on Pazz and Jop's 2011 singles.

jaymc, Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway i see nothing wrong with someone pointing out some of the crappier/most superficial/vacuous things dominating pop music in 2011. what lex likes and backs at all costs is ruling the roost, so adele IS something of an anomaly in mainstream pop terms and someone offering opposition to that is never a bad thing.

Except you're not really doing anything except saying "mainstream pop is vacuous" without actually offering any examples, which is basically what people have been doing for as long as I can remember. I don't think you really understand what the Lex is saying given that, by and large, he wouldn't describe much of the music he likes as vacuous (afaik his favourite record this year is Let England Shake, so he certainly not backing "vacuous pop" against everything else).

In any case I'm not really sure there's much point further dissecting something Lex has already admitted was an off-the-cuff response to a JPG that was doing the rounds.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Early prediction: "Rolling in the Deep" will be #1 on Pazz and Jop's 2011 singles.

― jaymc, Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:03 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

i have a vague gut feeling that it won't be, but only in the sense that there's 7 months ahead for something else to give it competition, it's definitely a lock for top 3

gargle on my nuts (some dude), Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah number 3 feels right.

Tim F, Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, she was talking about chart pop, not a new argument for sure, but one thats not un valid right now, even if adele isnt being specific

i mean, popstars are often not that articulate in this sort of thing, even rappers ('rockist' on all sorts of levels, without wanting 'real instruments' or anything like that) arent always pinpoint specific when they criticise other artists, doesnt mean theres no truth to what theyre saying

ive not read lexs full post, just saying that great, he likes pj harvey, but the stuff i often see him defending to the death is not like let england shake, but i dont want to make this all about lex, so yeah, lets not go down that route

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm glad she remembers herself cuz i didn't even know she had a new album out

lol

teledyldonix, Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh BTW...

@maura
maura johnston
facepalm. MT @ToureX: Gaga & Adele are a very interesting pop culture dichotomy. A full on character vs authenticity.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wouldn't argue about the artifice of Gaga, surely that's the point. It's the authenticity of Adele that gets the eyeroll.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Makes me think - is the idea of authenticity now so degraded that applying it to anyone would get the eyeroll? I think it's always been problematic and it's got to the point where I never ever want to see it used without scare quotes. I think Adele's appeal could fairly be described as "authenticity" rather than authenticity.

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why "authenticity", though? Why not "simplicity", since the essence of her performance ethos is "girl with big voice sings at u"?

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Are you asking me or Toure? I used "authenticity" because however unreal and misleading that concept is in mainstream pop, Adele is clearly satisfying a craving for the "genuine", "unadorned", "real", "organic", etc. I think a lot of that genuinely comes from her personality and music taste but there's an element of calculation in the presentation - the black-and-white sleeve, the choice of which influences to foreground. For example, she's a massive Mary J Blige and Lauryn Hill fan but you can't hear any hip hop in 21. Not that it's as shamelessly "authentic" as the first Joss Stone album.

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

you can hear R&B in there, its obv from her singing style, its just contained in more of a capital fm listenership-pleasing aesthetic. shes a much more... AUTHENTIC singer than joss stone in any case. much more natural/unoforced. even though i think shes still figuring out how to best control/use her voice.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 27 May 2011 08:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

her general pose re: authenticity/being ordinary etc tbh reminds me of plan b more than anyone else

lot of similarities

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 27 May 2011 08:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really? Plan B plays on artifice - the whole Strickland Banks persona, the shifting genres. All they have in common is that they're white working-class Londoners - and both funny and candid - so maybe their personalities signify "authenticity".

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Friday, 27 May 2011 08:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, the whole 'no bullshit, i tell it like it is, i dont care about sugarcoating my opinion' thing is def a big common thing. and the whole MOR sound in spite of that 'tude is also something they share. there were some other things too but my minds preoccupied.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 27 May 2011 08:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only one who liked the first album better? At least judging from the songs that I've heard from the new one, they seem kind of over-arranged to me. I liked the more spare arrangements on _19_. Also "Chasing Pavements" > "Rolling in the Deep".

o. nate, Friday, 27 May 2011 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/29/adele-change-women-music-business

"XL's Richard Russell blames 'boring, crass and unoriginal' music on industry's over-sexualisation of female artists"

good thing we discussed all of this in advance of anyone saying it.

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Monday, 30 May 2011 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

'A success, in pop, is never just a success – it's always ready to be spun into a triumph for some wider force.'
says Tom Ewing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/jun/02/tom-ewing-adele-success?CMP=twt_gu

piscesx, Friday, 3 June 2011 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

i miss when novelty hits were novel

51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

damn "Someone Like You" is depressing as shit.. I think I like this.

billstevejim, Friday, 30 September 2011 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

it has a new video.. this was my first time hearing this song

billstevejim, Friday, 30 September 2011 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

great cover of rolling: http://soundcloud.com/work-drugs/rolling-in-the-deep-adele

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 2 February 2012 10:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tell us a little about how “Rolling in the Deep” came about.

A. I had all these chords I thought would be perfect for her. You know, little musical riffs or themes. I tried all these out on her for about two hours. She literally sat there with a pen in her hand staring blankly, and she just went, “I’m not feeling anything.” And then she went, “I’ve got this riff, this idea, that’s going round and round my head,” and I went, “Go on then, what is it?” And she went, [sings] “There’s a fire.”

I said wow, and I just grabbed a guitar and quickly tried to figure out what the key was. She had all the verses, that thematic melody that she uses all through the song. I put all the verses down as one long recording, and then we put spaces in the track to start work on a prechorus and a chorus. We wrote the core of the song — her verses and the chords — in under 15 minutes. And the rest of it was structured over two hours.

curmudgeon, Friday, 10 February 2012 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Q. Her vocal track that you recorded that day for a demo ended up on the album. Why didn’t you redo it?

A. Adele was going through something. She had had her heart broken, and she was in pieces, and you can really hear that, her anger and her sadness. Sometimes I just don’t think you can recreate that or fake it. My hunch is that we captured something in her vocal performance that was going to be very hard to recreate

curmudgeon, Friday, 10 February 2012 14:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

spare us a tenner til Monday?

http://www.nme.com/news/adele/62071

piscesx, Thursday, 16 February 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

the headline "Adele shows off her new £7 million, 10-bedroom mansion in new video" makes it sound like the Hype Williams-directed clip for the Swizz Beatz remix of her new single takes place in her mansion

CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Thursday, 16 February 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha

The Reverend, Thursday, 16 February 2012 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

French paper publishing Adele sextape tomorrow. Skeezy.
http://www.jeanmarcmorandini.com/article-263995-une-sextape-de-la-chanteuse-adele-diffusee-sur-le-net-et-dans-le-magazine-public.html

zappi, Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

does anyone really wanna see that lol

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes. yes i do.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 17 February 2012 01:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

god, the leaked pic is disturbing enough. not sure if I'm gonna be able to watch it.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 17 February 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's a still from a sex tape

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 February 2012 02:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

?

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 February 2012 02:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

une sextape

buzza, Friday, 17 February 2012 03:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, supposedly it's a still from the sextape. adele's image is ruined for me now.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 17 February 2012 03:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can't believe L'Académie française has not come up with a word for "sex tape."

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Friday, 17 February 2012 11:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

In other news, she's been moaning about paying tax again, hasn't she?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 17 February 2012 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

somebody linked me this pic, but Adele really isn't the highlight:

plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Friday, 17 February 2012 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

lmfaooo. i wish this were real

teledyldonix, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

‏@JennyJohnsonHi5
Adele's pregnant, man her next album is gonna suuuuuuuuck

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 30 June 2012 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

I didn't realize Adele is younger than I am!

mississippi joan hart (crüt), Saturday, 30 June 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink


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