Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

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O.K. so I've only listened to 'Tender Prey ' and 'The Best of ' - so I don't know if he's got any better but I found them patchy for someone who's said to be such a great songwriter. I know he's been influential but when asked about my musical faves - they'll be invariably called Nick Cave copyists - which may be true but I like them MORE.WHAT SHOULD I LISTEN TO TO CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE

'Arr ferk the nun inna jesuz bluud . . .DONKEY ! '

Geordie Racer, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC! I'll concede that his last two albums (new one included) haven't been as exciting as some of his previous work, but I personally feel his songwriting has remained top-drawer. That said, however, I truly miss the fire and brimstone of his more energetic work. To my ears, the last truly great album of his was MURDER BALLADS. While essentially a collection of covers, it showcases Cave & the `Seeds' range pretty nicely...from the cinematic to the savage. I'm also a huge supporter of the live album, LIVE SEEDS, recorded on the HENRY'S DREAM tour. The live renditions of tracks like "Papa Won't Leave You, Henry" and "John Finn's Wife" (among others) actually improve on the studio versions, I feel. Hands down, however, my favorite album of his remains THE GOOD SON. I'd also urge you to go pick up the "best-of" by the Birthday Party (Cave's previous outfit) dubbed HITS, which finds Nick in a much more aggressive vein. In any event, I truly feel that no matter how histrionic he may be, there is turly no one like him.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

The Birthday Party one of the greatest groups ever. His solo stuff, up to and including Tender Prey, all classic. Since then, a little patchy. I thought Let Love In and The Boatman's Call were both marvellous; Murder Ballads and Henry's Dream were a mixture of the good and the overblown. I think he's relying on his style and charisma a bit too much these days, but then he must be around 40, so he's kept it up pretty well over the years. The Mercy Seat is certainly one of the greatest records ever made.

Johnathan, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

In all fairness to the man, he's now a middle-aged father of an eight- year old. It's probably a bit harder (and less exciting) to be a frightwigged, bedraggled harbinger of squallor when you've reached this point in your life.

alex in nyc, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

.. that is - unless you're the Geordie Racer !

Geordie Racer, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I was duly fortunate to catch the man in concert not three weeks ago in LA -- he opened with a solo piano version of "West Country Girl" that was loud, pissed off, mean and beautiful all at once. Age, etc. hasn't slowed him down at all. The show itself was utterly brilliant -- just him, piano, Warren Ellis, the Dirty Three drummer and Susan Stenger on bass, and it was amazing. The solo rearranged version of "Papa Won't Leave You Henry" is my number one 'must have an mp3 of it *NOW*' track right at present.

Classic? Beyond classic, fucking godlike more like. Try the _Live Seeds_ album, _Kicking Against the Pricks_ or _Let Love In_.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Your mileage may vary with Nick Cave, as I've found out, even amongst Nick Cave fans. We were sitting around at a local record store, talking music (good place for it, I guess), when Nick Cave's recent albums became part of the conversation, and favourite Cave record also crept in. I ventured Let Love In as my personal favourite, which often tends to be scoffed at by people who prefer the earlier, bleaker material. One of the guys there went so far as to say I wasn't a "true" Nick Cave fan, whatever the hell that means. I think you can pull something from almost all of his albums, but I find Let Love In and The Good Son to be compelling, and Tender Prey to be a great record as well. Hell, I even liked Boatman's Call.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't call him a dud but I don't think he's the classic songwriter he's now painted as - he seems to carry this great Romantic Artist burden around with him which is a bit quaint and on, say, the Boatman's Call when he seems to try and get serious it comes over as rather fusty. Interestingly in the new Mojo he's a very sympathetic interviewee - he seems very dissatisfied with Boatman's Call and generally squirmy when the interviewer flatters him.

There's been a real shift in how Cave is perceived. When I first started reading the press he was always treated as this borderline nutter goth smack freak, now he's an Important Figure, and in between there was this oh-it's-another-Nick-Cave-album period, which would always qualify the "He's good" with a big "But". I think that got it right, pretty much.

A handful of stunning tracks though - "Mutiny In Heaven", "Tupelo", "The Mercy Seat", "The Ship Song", "Do You Love Me?", "Stagger Lee". So surely not a dud.

Tom, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, Ned, but totally Dud. I especially dislike Cave's stifling seriousness and the ham-fisted band. The Birthday Party were dire also - they just couldn't get close to the lowdown, dirty drug n' murder blues. Sad thing was, they THOUGHT they could.

Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Major major dud.

the pinefox, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...
I prefer NC to the Birthday Party. Also, this has probably been discussed elsewhere but Mick Harvey's Gainsbourg albums are very nice.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:40 (11 years ago) Permalink

i think Cave's only got a few sorts of songs he can do well, so it's been lots of repeating himself for me -- and most of his albums have great songs on them plus substantial tracts of filler

The Good Son proved the leonard cohen territory was his ie a very well structured running sequence, and ambience that almost saves also-rans like "weeping song",
but he dropped the ball on Henry's Deam so badly that i really haven't been able to bother much since

I mean there are a few songs on Let Love In, but for me that's as patchy as the album that preceeded it (Henry)

i believe he can only do so many really good ballads though, and that he's revisited those same ballads so often with the recent albums

i say there're have been so few rock songs that i can count them -- "The good son" & "the hammer came down", "Long time man", "Jangling Jack", "John Finn's wife" -- that's one or at most two good rock songs for each of those albums ! (oh "papa won't save you Henry", "who will be the witness", "jack the ripper", "weeping song" all lousy songs, such rock-by-numbers stuff, will not save him)

go back to your funeral my trial for the whole range, great title track ballad through the true freak-show feel of "The Carny", (better than anything the residents had produced for oh, so-long), and then the great whine-o-drone of "long time man" and the succinct birthday party punch of "scum" -- a classic album, from when Cave had to produce decent stuff to keep his job and maintain and propogate his reputation

"Murder Ballads" a great Aussie cash-in for then career dwindlings of Kylie and Nick (and what an unexpected couple !! proving they're both really show-biz and contenders for legit. rock star -- i thought Cave had some outsider cred -- maybe this was needed to break the concept to new audiences ?? it worked i suppose, but just a big-budget re-rendering of "long time man" idea to me)

ok the birthday party and early bad seed stuff didn't get the easy pay-checks the concept and oomph of their mere presence deserved as real-life art in the public eye, so
good luck to him for those initial flashes of real brilliance

maybe he'd be best served by a "greatest rock songs" and "greatest 'love' songs" double greatest hits, and then save those good songs for singles and forget the nine-yards albums

(ie you should not produce a whole filled out album if you don't have enough good songs)

george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm not going to adress all yr points, most of which I disagree with, but I've never really understood the bad rep of 'Henry's Dream'. It's really his most succesful 'eclectic' album since and 'tender prey'. As said upthread, the songs sound even better on the fantastic 'Livce Seeds' album. 'Plain Gold Ring' is a gem on that one..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it's at all surprising that he dated Kylie, because in its own dark, reverent way his material is just as generic, conservative, synthetic and lifeless as hers.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

at his show in chicago last week it struck me that nick reminds me of a dark-souled neil diamond for the alt rock set. and i mean that in the very best way possible.

otto midnight, Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:48 (11 years ago) Permalink

so momus, of all people, is saying that nick cave is conservative: nothing shocks me anymore.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

His stuff is utterly brilliant, including his last couple of albums. Nocturama is among his best, and No More Shall We Part may lack heavy punkish stuff but at times it suits the mood better than anything else. For me, Your Funeral... My Trial, The Good Son, and Let Love In just manage to top those last two.

Tijn, Thursday, 26 June 2003 17:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...
I'm reading his biography The Bad Seed again, so I threw on my copy of the B-Day Party's Hits, and I must confess it gets a little old after awhile. I prefer the recent live album I've got over it, but I'm curious if the full-length B-Day Party albums play better than the compilation does (better paced, maybe?).

I've only heard three Cave solo tracks: his cover of Neil Young's "Helpless," which I love, his cover of the Beatles, "Let It Be," which I despise, and that song "I'll Love You Till The End Of The World," which is pretty nice. I'm guessing people would recommend The Good Son as the place to start checking out his solo work? From Her To Eternity?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 July 2003 23:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

*ahem*

I trust many of you already know what my full first name is.

Mmm hmm.

So, um, what about my opinion regarding Nick Cave? Well, when you're able to selfishly claim that song for yourself, what other answer can you have but CLASSIC? All those naysayers can just kiss me. And Momus? I happen to like Kylie Minogue, too. She comes from a magical little place with little elfin fairies who spread their pixie dust all across this land. What do you say about Kylie's collaborations with the Manic Street Preachers? MSP also like Kylie.

But back to Nick Cave. Classic. A surprising one, too, considering how little I actually care for country. But I like this brand of graveyard country rock. And damn, I need to play "City of Refuge" now.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

big bad dud, the birthday party were dud too altho they had a couple of cool bass lines

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

jesus kylie has chose some rotten people to collaborate with for "rock" cred or whatever she was doing, the manic street preachers suck the dog too

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

duane how could you?!? rowland s howard is a gtr hero of mine

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:16 (11 years ago) Permalink

when i saw them he was the worst thing about it, he just played on hi treble & tried to hurt people because he was sick cause they couldnt get any gear in christchurch

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

that's what i love about roly poly

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

fuckin spoiled brat, the correct thing to've done wouldve been to not even show up for the gig & actually put some real effort into trying to cop

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

Uh, duane, the Manics contacted Kylie first, way back in 1991 or somesuch. It wasn't until years later that Kylie wanted to do anything with them. The Manics have gone on the record as being fans of Kylie's music, even the teenypop '80s years.

What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?

I'm going to listen to my namesake song again.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

RSH lives just round the corner from me. his face seems to have partially melted off

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:25 (11 years ago) Permalink

Dud. He lost is instantly when the Birthday Party broke up. ADMIT IT!!! Tracy Pew was always the cool one.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

Dud. He lost it instantly when the Birthday Party broke up. ADMIT IT!!! Tracy Pew was always the cool one.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

ooops, double post, sorry

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it's at all surprising that he dated Kylie, because in its own dark, reverent way his material is just as generic, conservative, synthetic and lifeless as hers.
-- Momus

I may be new and not know shit but I do know I don't like this kid at all.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

nar Rowly is still a legend!! he did a great gig a few years ago with a version of Lou reed's "Oh Jim" that sent shivers (fnarr) every which way

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

dude totally lives off the royalties to "Shivers" i'm sure

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yes, sorry Jim, forgot about Rowly. The cover to 'Prayers on Fire'. Two drop dead cool human beings. Melbourne was right about something after all.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

Classic. I love everything from the Birthday Party up through the new solo stuff. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that No More Shall We Part is his best, most consistant record since Prayers on Fire.

Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only one who likes Henry's Dream?

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only one who likes Henry's Dream?

No, I really like it as well.

Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

Is that what your album is going to be like then?

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't follow you. Are you thinking of someone else?

Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

Uh, duane, the Manics contacted Kylie first, way back in 1991 or somesuch.

whatever

What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?

no

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

i shouldntve posted that it just sounds rude & mean, sorry. but nick cave is 1 of my top unfavourites.

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:17 (11 years ago) Permalink

One very positive thing about Nick Cave's solo records, even from the start is that they sound quite good. In the past couple of weeks I have been going back and listening to "My Funeral, Your Trial", "The First Born Is Dead", "Tender Prey" and "Kicking Against The Pricks"; listening to these on headphones has really made me further appreciate the arrangements and production.

The last record of his I bought was "Murder Ballads" and I didn't really like it much and at the time was getting into some different music. I've been curious about the last three, but not enough to search them out.

earlnash, Monday, 14 July 2003 12:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

The new one is pretty damn good, I think, if a little more mellow than usual.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

But, it should be said, it's not "Boatman's Call" mellow. It's more, like, AAA mellow. It's nice, though.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

my old roommate tim had bad luck with the ladies during the couple years my wife and i shared a big ol house on the hills above ithaca ny. with him. so he spent alot of the time in the bars, where as i was happily ensconced drinking at home and being married. tim and i were both cooks but i mostly did days and he mostly did nights. if you have ever worked nights in a restaurant you know how tought it can be to wind down when you start your work day at like 3 in the afternoon and get done at 11 at night it takes alot of booze. but it was the same for me as well, only, i started at 8am and started drinking after shift at 4 so my sleep cycle was more "normal". anyways, about twice a month he would come home smashed and depressed. the walk to our house was up a huge painfull hill that only got the blood and alchohol flowing thru the sysetem. depressed and womanless he would crank up some nick cave and sit on his bed and stare at the floor and mumble along with the lyrics, blacked out of his mind. it was a barometer for his smashedness, if i heard nick at night then i knew tim would only have vague recolections of the night before. fortunetly tim is the kinda guy that no matter what he does you just cant get mad at him. i donno why. it was a blessing and a curse to have him as a roommate. just like nick cave- a blessing and a curse. ive never bought any of his records
but ive wished i was him now and then. hes crazy!!. i dont know why his pulpy voodoo shtick never worked for me- i mean i love screamin j hawkins, the cramps, misfits, t. waits- all that kitchy shit but nick annoys me. last week my wife and i went up to prospect park here in brooklyn to see a free show under the stars at the bandshell. it was a tribute to lenoard choen with
linda thompson, laurie anderson, marc ribot, nick cave, and loundon wainwright. all the heavy hitters. it was pretty boring,
or maybe i im pretty boring. sonic youth and wilco were better the night before in central park.

kelly denison-cole (dustjacket), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC if just for the *awesome* cover of "Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart" on Kicking Against The Pricks. I'll admit I stopped listening after Henry's Dream , but everything up to that was super. Plus, he let me beat him at pool once.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 14 July 2003 23:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...
Stupid (that is the poster's name) had asked for some thoughts on this abortive thread. Well here are some thoughts of mine for you. Offhand I would say either Tender Prey or Let Love In as a starting point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Ned, I'd already checked your reviews on allmusic out (I always do, you're rarely wrong I find: Cranes, The Wedding Present, Disco Inferno... the list of bands you've unwittingly set me up to love is growing every week), I was just looking for a few more opinions. Those two certainly sounded appealing, I guess I'll start with those then. Cheers, once again.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yer welcome. Hope you didn't mind the thread lock-and-redirect, but I didn't want to lose Scott's opinions either.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

I pretty much posted that so that someone would show me to the old one I couldn't find, so it's all good.

Did you check out Aereogramme by the way?

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

I remember you telling me to do so. Now what I can't recall is if I did.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well you should. They're very you, especially their second album "Sleep & Release". Kind of Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie era Smashing Pumpkins/The God Machine sort of thing meets a Red House Painters/Mogwai sort of thing. With pretty vocals.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC. If only for Murder Ballads. Like, I know that every Dungeons and Dragons Ggek shows up for a Nick Cave concert because of this album - because of his weirdly accurate and historically-substantiable references to Victorian history, but I still think the album is amazing. And so, for that matter, is Let Love In. I go for months without listening to the album, but every time I do, I'm like X GFHDS GDJh agjkladasgd; lhjk FUCKING WOW it's good. I was driving my father's Suburu Outback on a mini-300-mile road trip through Vermont while listening to it, and it was nigh-akin to a masturbatory experience.

The Second Drummer Drowned (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 21 February 2004 02:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

I like Mr. Cave.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 02:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

That meant clssic, by the way.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 02:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

Terminally tedious zzzzzzz

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Saturday, 21 February 2004 14:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

You should be set on fire.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 21:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

I will add to my rather dismissive opinion upthread that I was a huge fan of the Birthday Party and saw them several times live. In fact they're the reason I sent a demo to, and signed to, 4AD. So count me a disgruntled former fan of Mr Cave. I tuned out after 'Your Funeral, My Trial'. Because I just don't recognise in his more recent songs any world I know. They sound like songs by someone who loves songs too much. He sounds like Methuselah with a piano.

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 21:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

I am taking that second to last sentence and I am going to run with it as a new thread...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 21:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

If I was on fire Al, at least I would wake up. I think....

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Sunday, 22 February 2004 10:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ah, but you're not on fire.........yet. And my name's not "Al".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

"You Can't Call Me All"

willem (willem), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Some years ago, a friend of mine and I used to laugh at our inability to find a single record store used bin that didn't have at least one copy of The Good Son in it. Cave is ridiculous, and more annoying because he wasted time that Blixa Bargeld could have spent making more Neubauten records.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was scrolling/parsing too quickly and my mind got the impression that some typed: "Cave joins Clan of Xymox--it's great."

Ian Grey (Ian_G), Monday, 23 February 2004 06:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Totally fucking classic

The BDay Party were fucking wicked and badass and awesome.
Solo Nick Cave is hit and miss with some really awesome moments and some really low, bad moments.

But if it isn't totally awesome, then its atleast usually pretty funny.

sunjammerr, Monday, 23 February 2004 06:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
I'm listening to Your Funeral...My Trial, and it just struck me that this may be his best album. I've listened to it many times before, but for some reason it burrowed its way to the center of my brain on this particular listening. I'd always favored Henry's Dream...but this has much more blues, some of his best writing, and his voice is right at that mid point between the early shriek and the later baritone. Scum is such a great song...and The Carny is one of my all-time favorites of his.

I've also been listening to B-Sides & Rarities on my ipod, and that 3rd disc just keeps blowing my mind. Some of that stuff is jaw-droppingly good.

Just felt like gushing... that's all.. :)

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hurrah! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

I was so disappointed to find both his Melbourne shows are sold out.

Seuss, Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

You're disappointed? I made the mistake of immigrating to the US at about the same time Nick decided he didn't want to play in Yankeeland anymore.
So god knows when I'll see him again.

I would love to see the Lyre Of Orpheus/Abbattoir Blues tour, that gospel choir he's got going would kill live. Imagine 'There She Goes, My Beautiful World' live. I'm also interested in their dynamic now that Blixa has gone. I wonder who'll do Kylie's part now on the live performances of "Where The Wild Roses Grow". Blixa had such a lovely falsetto. Maybe Mick will pitch in...

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh no, when did that happen? I heard that after Lollapalooza but it didn't last of course. "Jack's Shadow" might be my favorite of his songs, I think I'll go put on Your Funeral, My Trial now, in fact.

Is it just me or does Cave have a lot better sense of humor than he's usually given credit for?

daria g (daria g), Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

Nick has always had a great sense of humor. Mick & Blixa too. It just gets overlooked because everyone expects him to be completely morbid because of the song content.

Apparently his publicist announced that he's doing no tours for 2004/2005, and in 2003 he said he wasn't touring a country that had declared war on Afghanistan, so god only knows what 2006 holds.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 06:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Jack's Shadow" is great. I'm listening to Firstborn Is Dead now, and damn if Tupelo doesn't send me into paroxysms of joy.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 06:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

classic.

the dud part is the way i can't afford the seventy odd dollars it costs to see him next tuesday.

acidmouth (acidmouth), Saturday, 7 May 2005 06:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

no children or elderly relatives you can pawn off? sure, it's a last resort, but think of the pay-off...

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 06:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

I felt for years that Your Funeral My Trial was his best work. The Boatman's Call had me changing my mind for a years but I think I'm back to my original decision now.

I don't think he's even come close to the level of The Boatman's Call since then, but there's enough there up to then to justify a resounding classic.

Seeing 16 Horsepower live made me decide Nick may as well retire as he wasn't really required any more - sadly he's managed to outlast them.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 7 May 2005 09:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh no, when did that happen? I heard that after Lollapalooza but it didn't last of course.

Blixa didn't leave then, he just refused to do Lollapalooza. He left proper after Nocturama, having barely played on the last three records (Cave said that his presence and opinions in the studio were still personally valuable even if there wasn't anything for half the band to play tho). His replacement is actually Lolla fill-in James Johnston! Playing organ not guitar for the most part though.

kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 7 May 2005 14:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

Seeing 16 Horsepower live made me decide Nick may as well retire as he wasn't really required any more - sadly he's managed to outlast them.

Funnily enough, 16 H opened for Nick on the 1998 tour. I always liked them, but not loved. Appreciated the obvious Ian Mc. from Echo jones in the dude's voice, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 May 2005 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC up until Let Love In, DUD since then. I'll pay "Little Empty Boat" (b-side of "Into My Arms"), and "God Is In The House", and ok maybe "Stagger Lee", but Murder Ballads is where the rot set in solidly.

But the person way upthread who mentions Cave's "stifling seriousness" is really missing something. One of the great things about the early stuff (Boys Next Door through Birthday Party through, well, even "God Is In The House") is his mordant humour.

My coincidental thoughts in way more detail than you want, from just the other day:
http://www.livejournal.com/~frogworth/3437.html

Peter Hollo (raven), Sunday, 8 May 2005 01:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Have you given Lyre Of Orpheus/Abattoir Blues a go 'round yet? Because it's incredibly good, especially if you gave up on him after Let Love In. Granted, he's not the same Nick he used to be, but I think he's proved that that isn't as much of a problem as first thought. The 3rd disc on the B Sides & Rarities collection will add further weight that his later material is actually pretty damn good. I hadn't listened to Nocturama or No More Shall We Part more than a couple of times, but I'm actually returning to them as we speak, because I fear I was too quick to judge.

Then again, each to their own. Praps just not your cup o tea.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 May 2005 01:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

And as far as later songs go, Brompton Oratory is one of his finest. IMHO. But I'm big into his hymnal-type songs, I know not everyone's a fan of that. heck I'm not even religious...I guess you could say i'm a fan of faith/theology.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 May 2005 01:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love No More Shall We Part. As for Nocturama, let's just say I don't own it anymore and leave it at that.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Sunday, 8 May 2005 12:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...
Solo shows in the UK! Anyone going? Plz report back here kthxbye.

30th January Birmingham Symphony Hall
31st January Cambridge Corn Exchange
1st February Nottingham Royal Centre
2nd February London Apollo Victoria - supported by Richard Hawley
4th February Edinburgh Playhouse
5th February Glasgow Concert Hall
6th February Manchester Bridgewater Hall

StanM (StanM), Monday, 30 January 2006 20:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

Nobody?

StanM (StanM), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

50 years old today! HB NC!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Cave

StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2007 16:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

tbh, everything he's done post-Birthday Party belongs in the arena of the worthy-but-dull.

The lp covers looks splendid when laid on designer furniture, however.

PhilK, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

tbh, everything most of what he's done post-Birthday Party the first four solo albums belongs in the arena of the worthy-but-dull.

fixed

StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

:-)

StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

I am glad to share a birthday with this man. I will listen to the Birthday Party all day.

Ivan, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

Happy birthday!

StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yes, that's right he's a Virgo/Libra cusp isn't he? I always kindof forget what sign Nick is for some reason. Happy Birthday Ivan!

Bimble, Sunday, 23 September 2007 00:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

Not really feeling his new album at all. Anyone?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 04:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

me either, can't get past the first two songs. same reaction i had to grinderman...I love nick cave but, maybe like the fall, I've just kind of had enough

akm, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 06:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yes, exactly.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 06:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

I've had Straight to You on repeat all evening - it's an amazingly beautiful song. Not two things I normally associate with one another, beauty and Nick Cave

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

Classic but Dig Lazarus Dig hasn't appealed to me either.

Vision, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Most of Lyre of Orpheus is beautiful imo

an abduction of a guy into a weird artsy world... (wilter), Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Eazy, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

Dud. Birthday Party great, but after that I sometimes wonder whether he is responsible for Bad Things in music. PJ Harvey turned rubbish after she hung out with Cave, then he infected Will Oldham, and he also gave Kylie cancer.

All rather stagey for me and a friend who saw Grinderman recently came back spitting venom.

He is in some way responsible for the song Mr Cave's A Window Cleaner Now by Half Man Half Biscuit though, so I suppose we must put our bright swords up and let the good Lord calculate the final reckoning.

GamalielRatsey, Friday, 3 October 2008 00:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

Your post really made me scared that the Nick Cave show I'm seeing on Monday night might not live up to my expectations but then I saw that you liked at least part of Will Oldham's career.

Reatards Unite, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

PJ Harvey turned rubbish after she hung out with Cave

Motherfucker you crazy. PJ has always been great, always will be. Put out her best album a year ago, in fact... in case you didn't notice.

ilxor, Friday, 3 October 2008 05:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

reatards unite, don't fret, it will be great. i've seen nick a few times (though the last time was maybe 3 years ago) and he has never once been disappointing. MUCH better than when i saw will oldham, no doubt.

ian, Friday, 3 October 2008 05:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

also lol @ the pinefox hating on the caveman.

ian, Friday, 3 October 2008 05:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Motherfucker you crazy. PJ has always been great, always will be. Put out her best album a year ago, in fact... in case you didn't notice.

I didn't like it, sadly, but I'm pretty sure that's my loss. My music tastes have got so narrow as to be the aural equivalent of an old man with dyspepsia picking at his food.

Nick Cave is one of those people who, because he gets close to the sort of thing I like, but doesn't quite hit the mark for me, gets my hackles up more than people I like less. Does that make sense? I'm not sure it does...

Will Oldham was dreadful the last time I saw him, I almost wept with boredom.

Christ - me, I, me, I, me, I. Shut up, man, who wants to know?

GamalielRatsey, Friday, 3 October 2008 08:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds US Tour Dates

After seeing their most recent show, still classic. His relevance has outlasted all of his younger acolytes, including Gallon Drunk, The Flaming Stars (James Johnston has been a Bad Seed for the past 4 years), 16 Horsepower, Black Heart Procession...

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 3 October 2008 21:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Classic.

Nick Cave is the coolest man on the planet, next to Leonard Cohen.

I'm seeing Nick Cave tomorrow night here in NYC and I am psyched. I've missed him several times...but no more. I'm sure he's going to leave me stunned by greatness.

peskypesky, Saturday, 4 October 2008 04:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds US Tour Dates

Dear Nick,

Please come back to Austin, Texas. I miss you being here. If you come I will buy a ticket to your show, get drunk and sing along to "Stagger Lee" with you... and really, what could be better?

Cheers,
ilxor

ilxor, Saturday, 4 October 2008 05:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

i walked past warren ellis near madison square gardens a couple of hours ago, and it made me wish i'd be spending tonight watching him legkick and flail. report back, nyc-ers.

schlump, Saturday, 4 October 2008 23:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

nick cave is the motherfuckin man, c'mon now

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 5 October 2008 01:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

Best places to start? Live Seeds is incredible and can stand in for the entirety of his solo output to that point. The only album of Mr. Cave's I currently own or feel the need to own is the b-sides comp, which only has one stone dud on it and which - kind of - can stand in for the rest of his solo records.

staggerlee, Sunday, 5 October 2008 15:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

nick cave is doing the music for a production of Woyzeck where i work. should be amazing. http://www.bam.org/view.aspx?pid=112

Surmounter, Sunday, 5 October 2008 15:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

xpost pretty much everything he did in the 80's/early 90's is awesome. Since then, it's mostly been pretty good. I probably listen to the first half of Henry's Dream the most. Nick Cave's got that kind of Fall thing where you have to just dig in at random and start feeling your way out from wherever you are, and you feel like you have to get more and more and become familiar with lots of his stuff before you can understand any of it well. That Very Best of is actually a pretty dec introduction; it doesn't really work as an album, but it does a great job of sampling all the kinds of stuff they've done. Getting that and going from there would be as good a way as any to dig into them.

BigLurks, Monday, 6 October 2008 18:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Anybody see the DC show(s)?

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 04:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Mr. Monster & I were there on Monday!

i've got a bracelet too (jessie monster), Tuesday, 7 October 2008 23:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

I was there on Monday and thought it was a pretty badass show. I'd like to shake the hand of the man who yelled out for "Your Funeral My Trial," which killed.

deusner, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

How was Kid Congo?

Capitaine Jay Vee, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 02:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

Just read a few pages of Cave's new novel, The Death Of Bunny Munro:

Bunny stops thinking about Sabrina Cantrell's backside and starts thinking about her pussy instead and quite soon he is thinking about Avril Lavigne's vagina. He is almost positive that Avril Lavigne possesses the fucking Valhalla of all vaginas, and in response to this late-night lucubration he carefully folds a copy of the Daily Mail over his semi-tumescent memeber. There is, after all, a child in the room.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is this book published yet?

anagram, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

Don't think so, but there's an extract in a magazine called Loops.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

the fucking Valhalla of all vaginas

Oh dear. The porn mustache has finally taken its toll.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

YOU'RE A OLD SLEAZY GUY NOW, WE GET IT, WELL DONE

The New Beautiful South's New Bassist (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

And that quote actually makes it sound better than it is! It's pretty bad. It honestly reads like it was written by some smart-arse seventeen year old. Shit doesn't hit the fan, instead "the shit and the fan had their fateful assignation." You'd never guess he already has a previous novel and various screenplays under his belt. Avril Lavigne's vagina seems to be some sort of leitmotif:

A great wall of darkness moves towards him. It is unconsciousness and it is sleep. It moves like a vast tidal wave but before it breaks over him and he is away, before he renders himself completley to that oblivious sleep, he thinks, with a sudden, terrible, bottomless dread, of Avril Lavigne's vagina.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

they dragged Avril & her vaginerrrr from the hole
and the bulb that burned above them
did shine both day and night
and the 'giner learned to love its greater darks and lesser lights

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

This stuff sounds pretty bad, folks. Surely he's capable of better.

Tantamount To Pressurized Milk (Bimble), Thursday, 25 June 2009 16:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

this sounds great! what do you expect?

akm, Thursday, 25 June 2009 16:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Avril Lavigne" is very nearly an anagram of "Evil Vagina"!

Lostandfound, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

nick cave's writing was almost always pretentious

Zeno, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

Gotta risk pretentiousness and sentimentality to get anywhere deep.

Eazy, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

That said, was that excerpted in Razzle?

Eazy, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

Dig Lazarus Dig (album) overall is amusing and well written, and there are plenty of great songs on it. I really like it.

Evan, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Avril Lavigne" is very nearly an anagram of "Evil Vagina"!

actual LOLZ

Too bad "vagina" doesn't have two syllables or else you could sing it to the tune of "Evil Woman". That is, if you could do Jeff Lynne's falsetto.

Tantamount To Pressurized Milk (Bimble), Friday, 26 June 2009 04:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

i like grinderman and lazarus now. not sure what I was thinking a few years back. I even like nocturama now.

akm, Saturday, 1 May 2010 06:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah Bunny Munro was pretty terrible. Hard to believe it was written by the same person who wrote the wonderful And The Ass Saw The Angel.

anagram, Saturday, 1 May 2010 07:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

i kind of like most of no more shall we part now as well. what is wrong with me. I'm still pretty sure bunny munro will not be any good though.

akm, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Actually I see things exactly opposite. "...And the Ass Saw the Angel" was a nice try but Nick clearly wasn't up to the task of writing a story in the O'Connor/Faulkner mode. That book ends up a pretentious mess.

"Bunny Munro" on the other hand was, to me, pretty funny in parts and much more relaxed. It didn't pretend to be great literature and the tone much in line with the louche demeanor put forth by Grinderman.

kwhitehead, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

after spending a lot of time with all the post-boatman's call albums over the past month, it's pretty obvious to me now that abattoir blues/lyre of orpheus is a monumental masterpiece of a record, maybe better than boatman's call, rivaling the good son for my favorite overall record of his. I suppose a lot of people already knew this but for some reason I slept on this album for a long time, maybe because of the length, maybe also because even though I'd purchased it, the version I had on my ipod was cobbled together mp3s of different bitrates and mis-sequenced and it seemed more like a mess than it actually is.

akm, Friday, 14 May 2010 16:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yes, it's fantastic. Probably my album of the year for 2004 and a hell of a masterpiece, his best work overall.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 14 May 2010 17:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

It is probably crazy how much better I like "From Her to Eternity" on the Wings of Desire soundtrack v. "From Her to Eternity" on the album of that name. It's just razor sharp, man.

17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Saturday, 23 October 2010 02:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

very much seconded. I discovered the song through that movie and was appalled when I heard the tinny original.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 09:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Totally otm. Movie version so much richer, much more dramatic. I always skip the original bc I hate the way it sounds.

That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 05:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

When they're first committed to tape, lot of Bad Seeds numbers (in contrast to Nick Cave songs) seem to be a groove with a chord change and a monologue on top. It's later on that the noise and improv gets solidified into a song. The Live Seeds versions of his early 90s stuff is a lot more compelling too. "Tupelo" and "Mercy Seat" seem to be lucky situations where the total fire was there at the start.

bendy, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 12:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i'm not usually a fan of live albums but most versions on Live Seed kill the originals

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Oops:

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Though I do love this:

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

wtf is that jacket

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

(his I mean)

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

What's with all these Australians suddenly trying to bring back western civilization? First Assange, now this...

StanM, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

er, not back, down :-/

StanM, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

Love the comment:

Never heard of him but now I'm a big fan.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

just discovered murder ballads. wow!

stagger lee is mindblowing. this is where cave laid the groundwork for the grinderman project, no?

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 14 October 2011 01:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

stagger lee blows the rest of that album out of the water, which is saying a lot since it's packed with gems. love the video for it as well. it's basically just the band standing around, but NC and BB just have so much damn presence.

charlie h, Friday, 14 October 2011 01:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

it reminds me of worm tamer from grinderman 2.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 14 October 2011 01:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is where cave laid the groundwork for the grinderman project, no?

no

front-man for British post-punk turned pop chart-topper’s, Scritti Polliti (sic), Friday, 14 October 2011 09:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i've now read the sound/vibe for grinderman goes back as far as cave's early band (the birthday-party, iirc?). i wasn't a fan years ago, when i heard that stuff. maybe it's time for another try, since i love grinderman 2 so much.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 14 October 2011 12:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

awesome

bring back the handlebar mustache tho

mookieproof, Friday, 27 April 2012 03:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

"Well of Misery", Electric Ballroom, 1984 - billed as Nick Cave & The Cavemen

fkn great performance

lol@ spanish subtitles

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 June 2012 06:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

goddammit

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 June 2012 06:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

one more

St Huck, Barcelona 1984

melt ur face

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 June 2012 06:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

He was fantastic once.

Pacific Rinko (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 9 June 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure I've wondered out loud here about this, but the de facto breakup of Grinderman and the return of the Dirty Three makes me wonder about the state of the current Bad Seeds. There's been boilerplate murmurings of a new album, but nothing concrete. Been four years.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

its all a bit weird

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 years? But Grinderman 2 came out in 2010. Seems like it had run its course and now he's figuring out the next phase of his career.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 9 June 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 years since "Dig, Lazarus, Dig!" the last Bad Seeds album, which is not Grinderman (different sound, line-up, name, etc.).

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 June 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dud.

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 9 June 2012 21:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Nick's all "I started working with Rasputin when?"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 August 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cave looks a lot less bald there than last time I saw him. Perhaps he shaved off the stache and stuck it on his head?

Position Position, Friday, 10 August 2012 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Hell yeah:

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Went to the final tour rehearsal for the new album last night, at a leisure centre ballroom in Hove … and good God the new songs were boring, apart from Jubilee Street or whatever it's called. Not a single melody between them.

Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 9 February 2013 12:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

There has been some anticipation of the album on this thread. But yes, it's looking like a boring one.

Eyeball Kicks, Saturday, 9 February 2013 20:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Is that a Guardian page that links to the Barron interview on Rock's Back Pages, or someone talking about it, or a new interview with Barron about it?

boney tassel (sic), Thursday, 10 July 2014 22:38 (3 months ago) Permalink

Click on it, maybe you'll see.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 22:50 (3 months ago) Permalink

Wow.

boney tassel (sic), Thursday, 10 July 2014 23:50 (3 months ago) Permalink

great interview! (seriously)

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 July 2014 00:21 (3 months ago) Permalink

incidentally the current tour is fucking ferocious and amazing, saw him in SF the other night and it was maybe the best I've seen him out of five or so tours

akm, Friday, 11 July 2014 00:55 (3 months ago) Permalink

So what was the "secret project"?The Good Son?

nostormo, Friday, 11 July 2014 08:37 (3 months ago) Permalink

Rehab?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 July 2014 13:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

And The Ass Saw The Angel, I'd guess.

Rabona not glue (aldo), Friday, 11 July 2014 13:45 (3 months ago) Permalink

"Johnny Suede"?

A great interview.

And yeah they've really been on fire this tour, the Mpls gig was probably one the best shows I've ever seen.

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 11 July 2014 13:45 (3 months ago) Permalink

And The Ass Saw The Angel, I'd guess

Can't be that as it's referred to in the article.

goth colouring book (anagram), Friday, 11 July 2014 14:04 (3 months ago) Permalink

Think it probably was just rehab, as Josh in Chicago says. See the first couple of paragraphs here, for example:

http://nickcave.com/music/nickcaveandthebadseeds/the-good-son/information/

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 11 July 2014 14:09 (3 months ago) Permalink

Here's a more recent interview/article, from last week's NY Times Sunday Magazine, in case you missed it:

http://nyti.ms/1mFsiYg

I was pretty surprised at the ILM reaction to the last album. I thought it was fantastic, and nothing at all like Boatman's Call/NMSWP (neither of which I ever really feel like listening to, aside from a few Boatman tracks) which it was compared to. I wonder though how much of it was due to listening to poor digital streams/files on poor headphones/computer speakers, as I do think it's a more subtle album that might be difficult to appreciate if you can't hear what's going on.

early rejecter, Friday, 11 July 2014 14:20 (3 months ago) Permalink

Once I listened to the whole of Push the Sky Away I loved it, and it's probably the record I've listened to most in the past year. I was disappointed by We No Who U R, as a single, initially, because it did sound like it was supposed to be a Boatman's Call/NMSWP-type song, and a really dull one at that. But as you say, the album's a completely different record - not really built around that kind of songwriting - and even We No Who U R fits perfectly on it.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 11 July 2014 14:31 (3 months ago) Permalink

Actually yeah now that you mention it I was a bit skeptical when I first heard the single too.

Very much looking forward to 20,000 Days in any case.

early rejecter, Friday, 11 July 2014 14:54 (3 months ago) Permalink

i love how the endless choruses of 'the mercy seat' vary subtly so that you can never sing along

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 July 2014 15:37 (3 months ago) Permalink

the bad seeds are just ungodly awesome on this new tour, was probably top 5 shows ever for me

i love push the sky away, so much space and really cool low-key groove based record

sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 July 2014 16:18 (3 months ago) Permalink

the last bad seeds show i saw (15 years ago) is top 5 ever for me so i am hyped for tonight. what's the current setlist look like?

adam, Monday, 21 July 2014 20:55 (3 months ago) Permalink

Lots of stuff from the new record, plus one song from most of the other records

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 21 July 2014 20:58 (3 months ago) Permalink

awesome, thanks. i look forward to hearing the live arrangements of these new songs

adam, Monday, 21 July 2014 21:10 (3 months ago) Permalink

"Jubilee Street" in particular is different and awesome

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 21 July 2014 21:12 (3 months ago) Permalink

the periodic eruptions into swansian double-percussionist industrial maelstroms were really something.

i think it's kind of a shame that he writes pretty good piano ballads b/c they are still the least interesting thing that he does. those aside they maintained an impressive level of intensity across the sparser new stuff (like higgs boson blues or jubilee street), the early harsh stuff, and the "pop" stuff (a la red right hand). best show i've seen since sade for sure, and not entirely dissimilar.

adam, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 18:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

and i liked "into my arms" shit too, don't get me wrong, but i was embarrassed for the people of new orleans when they started like fucking waving their arms and clapping in vague rhythm. ugly scene.

adam, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 18:34 (3 months ago) Permalink

http://acltv.com/mentioned-artist/nick-cave-the-bad-seeds/

Cave and band taped an episode for the Austin City Limits tv show

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:28 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

I fought the movie all the way, as I find Cave increasingly pompous and occasionally silly, but it works, mostly.

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 00:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

I absolutely loathe Cave and find him a ridiculous son of a doctor, so will struggle with this movie.

xelab, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 00:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

Is this out yet? I liked the trailer.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 01:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

Even if you didn't like his material, the shear mass of his body of work makes him an undeniable classic.

While the Cave-penned screenplays for both "The Proposition" and "Lawless" are benefited greatly by tremendous performances from the cast, he seems to have a pretty solid grip on that form as well.

Additionally, the soundtrack for "The Proposition" by Cave and Warren Ellis is nearly another character in the movie.

bodacious ignoramus, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 02:15 (1 week ago) Permalink

Film has run for 3-4 weeks in NYC.

I do like The Proposition a lot, whereas I have not paid the music much heed since The Boatman's Call.

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 03:07 (1 week ago) Permalink

his recent stretch of albums is a lot better than the immediate post-boatman era.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 03:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

agreed

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 04:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

i have found that no more shall we part & nocturama are much more listenable for me now than when they were released... not sure why exactly, though

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 04:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

And No More Shall We Part is tremendous... can't say i've enjoyed the last few studio albums though. Lyre of Orpheus probably the most recent goodie.

jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 08:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

The film had its moments but I was somewhat underwhelmed. For me, the long therapist scene slowed it down horribly. If you are a big Nick Cave fan, as I am, you have heard all that stuff (e.g. his dad talking about Lolita) dozens of times. I would have loved a whole film of NC just hanging out with Warren Ellis and/or his kids.

Meanwhile, he announced a solo European tour next spring last week, though most of the dates sold out pretty quickly. I got some good seats for the first show in Glasgow. Although they're billed as solo shows, Warren Ellis, Martyn Casey, Thomas Wydler and Barry Adamson will be playing with him.

Lastly, it looks like a lot - maybe all - of Nick's records will be re-released on vinyl over the next few months. I've been harassing Mute/his management for years to please let me pay hundreds of pounds for a box set, though it doesn't look like anything as fancy as that is coming. The first batch of re-releases are as follows:

Oct 27
From Her To Eternity
First Born is Dead
Your Funeral My Trial

Nov 17
Dig!!! Lazarus!!! Dig!!!
Abbatoir Blues/Lyre of Orpheus
Nocturama

November 24
Kicking Against The Pricks

I am ridiculously excited about this. I'm hoping they've made Dig!!! Lazarus!!! Dig!!! a proper double album (the original version had the last song on a separate 7-inch single).

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 09:08 (1 week ago) Permalink

Saw the film this weekend, and yeah mixed feelings.

Liked:
Nick Cave taxi service (esp. Blixa)
The archive (Pew piss/punch commentary especially)
The look of it
Closing performance

Disliked:
most of the Deep Thoughts voice overs
Most of the music (not a PTSA fan)

Missed Royal Albert Hall tickets but then noticed the Hammersmith gig on his website basically before it was announced & got great tickets - middle of the second row. Best tickets I've had for anything ever tbh, v happy.

woof, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 09:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

FINALLY xp

people are straight up pirating those on vinyl b/c the demand is so high, I see all these lame color copied LPs with the loose shrink on 'em

sleeve, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

right now one of the 80's LPs on Homestead will run you around $50 used

sleeve, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

these Brit and Aussie guys who wish they had hillbilly peckers do make me larf

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:23 (1 week ago) Permalink

Lol! he spent years being a slumming poseur-douchebag in sao paulo, trying to make his hilbilly pecker origin story work, then he got bored and moved to a posh bit of London with some excellent schools.

xelab, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

meh not that different from Dylan really

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

It is going to be very easy for people buying me Christmas presents this year.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 15:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

aw yeah, Funeral & Lazarus are both 2LP sets

sleeve, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 15:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

never been a fan but i thought the movie was good in parts.

mattresslessness, Monday, 20 October 2014 20:17 (3 days ago) Permalink

why would you see this if you weren't a fan?

akm, Monday, 20 October 2014 20:23 (3 days ago) Permalink

because my boyfriend wanted to see it

mattresslessness, Monday, 20 October 2014 20:24 (3 days ago) Permalink

it looked like it had something interesting to say about creativity, which it did, even if it was shopworn. i'm generally ok with slumming brit and aussie guys who wish they had hillbilly peckers as long as their music isn't laughably overblown garbage.

mattresslessness, Monday, 20 October 2014 20:28 (3 days ago) Permalink

i'm a fan of warren ellis fwiw.

mattresslessness, Monday, 20 October 2014 20:30 (3 days ago) Permalink

listening to This Is The Sea by waterboys this week for the first time, and outside of Whole Of The Moon it struck me as mega mega Bad Seedsy in places, albeit with a far wimpier vocalist... i'm sure everyone Seeds involved would be horrified by the comparison

jamiesummerz, Monday, 20 October 2014 21:02 (3 days ago) Permalink


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