kanye west graduation

I’m often pleased by Rakim and De La Soul.

crackers is biters

hi! kayne you don't know me,but i had seen your video, and it inspired me to be strong like you, and i hope you get well soon which i know you are, my last name is west too and the west family got to remain strong, ain't nothing that can bring us down and u r a survivour,well i don't want to waste anymore of your time, but i felt i should send you a message to say that you go be alright. thank you for taking the time to read this message, and i really hope that you be okay you better remain strong for the west family you hear me haha, but for though stay strong. detroit,mi

gold medal for shipley

how is that so ungoogleable

Results 1 - 1 of 1 for "pleased by rakim". (0.10 seconds)

Your search - "I’m often pleased by Rakim and De La Soul." - did not match any documents.

oh the mysteries of google

http://board.flashkit.com/board/image.php?u=462905&dateline=1103502140
My favorite MC, Jay-Z, often talks about Brooklyn’s Marcy Projects, where he grew up and dealt drugs. I don’t really know much about any projects. The only projects I saw in growing up were science projects.

I think there may be an issue with the apostrophe, to the effect that searching within Google only turns up straight apostrophes, whereas SF's article uses smart/curly ones.

http://www.ithaca.edu/ithacan/articles/0309/25/accent/5back_beat.htm

http://www.zshare.net/download/3377532449929b/

Pardon the hyperbole, but despite the bling, the sophomoric name and the sprightly singles, the dude is a poet.

http://www.ithaca.edu/ithacan/articles/0201/24/imgs/fennesseyseanBW.jpg

hurricane fennessey stone cold pimping right there

haha I really wasn't even trying to incite another thread full of Fennessey LOL's, but there aren't that many people that talk about being "pleased" by rappers (no homo)

they were SCIENCE PROJECTS!!

Now just because I appreciate and respect the culture, doesn’t mean I falsely (and lamely) try to emulate it. It has its place. That place just is not in my house or on my body.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/OurBodiesOurselves.jpg/230px-OurBodiesOurselves.jpg

"I’m a Dairy Queen."
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Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter
Ask most hip-hop heads who has ruled the day since B.I.G. and 2Pac passed away, nine out of 10 will say Shawn Carter

but how many hip-hop heads out of 10 choose
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This thread is not about Kanye at all :(

I apologize if that does not please you.

Like I said, I’m white and I deserve khakis and loafers with pennies in them. When I see a white kid from Rye County or Long Island or any other blessed region dressed in FUBU jeans and a doo rag, I think to myself, “That’s a shame. That kid has no identity.”

http://images.salon.com/books/feature/2002/05/07/ellison/story.jpg

relax, guys, he's just trying to make a dollar out of fifteen loafers with pennies in them.

I also love the dress. The dashikis, baggy pants, giant clocks that hang around your neck, throwback jerseys — they’re all vibrant and different and fun.

is this written by my great-aunt?

If you have no idea what I’m talking about, first check out Al Green, then check out Jay-Z’s “The Blueprint.” Don’t let me lose you.

I don't know how I missed "I’m a Dairy Queen" and "I also love the dress" in the same paragraph.

haha i usually get really annoyed when you two go off on a fennessy jag (no homo) but "I also love the dress" is O_o for all time

i'm a cauliflower.

jordan sargent is white???

"I'm a Dairy Queen Big Boy."

http://www.route-66.org/CruisinHallofFame/CHOF%202002/bobsbigboy.gif

My father is a police officer. I know crime sucks. But in the same way I want to hear him tell me stories about wiretaps and drug busts, I yearn to hear the other side from the Hamburglar and Captain Crook.

These must be printed out and left all over the Vibe offices. For the lulz, you know.

De La Soul formed in 1988 and quickly created what is now regarded as an indelible classic, the visionary “Three Feet High and Rising.” The legendary album, most notable for its creation of the “in-between-song skit,” was an instant success. Since then “the skit” has become a loathed tradition in rap music because of its failure to convey any thematic meaning on albums. But De La Soul has persevered in a genre where longevity is difficult to maintain.

i like the tpain kanye song

there should be more guest rappers on this. not cause kanye can't rap (i think i probably like him as a rapper more than 95% of the ppl on here) but cause i always thought he brought the best out of his guests. but what can you do.

trolling for a good lil wayne guest verse nowadays is like throwing darts with a blind fold on.

blindfold.

I was talking to a friend about chicken the other day. As it turns out, I completely missed the opportunity of a lifetime (one year's worth of free wings!). Damnit.

i will hear this 2nite

guys is hoos the fennessey of ilm

I worked at Dairy Queen. Don't ask me about it.

DRINK UP ALL THE FENNESSEY YA GOT ON YA SHELF

http://www.fennesseyranch.com/boarfennessey.jpg

So who on this thread is going to get a cease & desist e-mail first: the guy who posted a download link to the whole Kanye album, or the people clowning on Fennessey?

science projects

I'm liking the album so far. Song w/ T-Pain is way better than the first 2 singles, right now that and "The Glory" are my favorite tracks.

alex on tm

haha i dunno hoos do you let rap fashions in your house or on your body?

the only good part of "drunk and hot girls" is the name

BIG SEAN aka the dairy queen

And a lot of people caught offense to that: "What do you mean you are Hip-Hop?" Obviously, that was not my point of view - that I alone, am Hip-Hop and no one isn't. The point was that while I appreciate and respect the culture, it doesn’t mean I falsely (and lamely) try to emulate it. It has its place. That place just is not in my house or on my body.

- KRS-One

omigod best use of a Steely Dan sample ("Kid Charlemagne"!) ever, trumping even De La's.

i like this album a lot. love what sounds like soft-rock/70s MOR samples.

Better than Lord Tariq & Peter Gunz?

anything as good as drive slow or get em high

nah

Better than Lord Tariq & Peter Gunz?

That's the second time I've been asked.

I never liked "Get Em High" so it's hard for me to use that as a point of comparison in a good way.

I love the way the "Kid Charlemagne" sample is chopped, but I wish he didn't slather half of it in those ugly synths, it'd sound so much better without them.

My favorite Steely Dan rap sample is still Freeway and Joe Budden over a "Royal Scam" loop on the Ice City album.

get em high is a shitty beat but lolz lyrically

i have a blends tape that puts it over atliens thats pretty dope

talibs verse is XD

it doesnt help that kweli is on get em high either...

cmon man! 'i need some tracks you tryna pull tracks out / as my rhymes finna blow you tryna blow backs out'

i really just dont like kweli.

well i like certain songs here and there (i like the hot thing single out now) but he has maybe the worst voice in hip hop ever.

dont mock me because i know all the words to reflection eternal. just call me cultured.

i liked kweli before he started trying to show he could do battle raps, sex-raps, gun-raps, etc etc. maybe thats me 'limiting' him but still.

2000 seasons was great though, yeah.

Y'ALL ASSUMED I WAS DOOMED OUT OF TUNE BUT I STILL FILL THE NOTES WITH REAL NIGGA QUOTES

It's weird to think that as short as three years ago, Com could sound pissed without simultaneously sounding self-righteous, but whatever.

i love tk's verse on get em high but common's kinda suxx

I feel much the opposite.

ain't you meet that chick at that conference wit yer mom?

REMOTE..................CONTROL

anyone know what the sample on "Big Brother" is? the riff reminds me of Prince's "It's Gonna Be Lonely" but I know that's not it.

I worked at Dairy Queen. Don't ask me about it.

-- Tape Store, Friday, August 31, 2007 2:36 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Link

yeah me too...fennessey needs to stop frontin like he knows the DQ game...if you can't make a peanut buster parfait don't even fuckin speak to me if you see me

slap the mister misty out ya fuckin face

THAT'S WHY I ABUSE YOU WHO ARE NOT THUGS

he's not literally a dairy queen, he just loves the dress

And It Don't Stop

Michelangelo Antonioni (1912-2007)

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Hip hop fashion is a distinctive style of dress originating with the African-American youth living in New York City and Los Angeles. Each city contributed various elements to its overall style seen worldwide today. Hip hop fashion complements the expressions and attitudes of hip hop culture in general. Hip hop fashion has changed significantly during its history, and today it is a prominent part of popular fashion as a whole across the world and for all ethnicities. The dashikis, baggy pants, giant clocks that hang around your neck, throwback jerseys — they’re all vibrant and different and fun.

If I played guitar I'd be Jimmy Page...

Woody Allen (1935-2012)

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the back half of this gets kinda syrupy. in a not so good way.

O RLY? Syrup? On a Kanye West album?

sizzurp.

"Drive Slow"

r.i.p. paul wall guest verses

Light up the stage and wax a chump like a candle...

Steven Soderbergh (1965-2017)

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does it say more about sean fennessey or kanye west that ILM is more interested in making fun of sean than talking about kanye west's new album?

it says more about ILM

Graduation r a serious album deserving of a serious thread. This just isn't it.

i do like the album but it feels a bit bitty. not really a crafted album like he did with late registration, more just a slightly uneven clutch of tracks.

im often pleased by hurricane fennessey

Sean “Hurricane” Fennessey, meanwhile, had some things to say about the list, as well as some things to say about hip-hop blogging in general. He was too busy doing whatever it is he does to come up with his own list, but according to The Hurricane, the overall list skewed “Eastern and obvious,” which he took as a sign that hip-hop blogging is pointless compared to the important work he does with Vibe magazine.

The thing is, The Hurricane has had his share of run-ins with hip-hop bloggers over the years. About two years ago, I had to call shenanigans on the fact that he gave Kanye West’s Late Registration a glowing, ridonkulous review in Pitchfork and didn’t bother to mention anywhere in it that he just so happens to be the proprietor a Kanye West fansite.

Later, a guy named Ian Cohen called him out for his similarly ridonkulous Clipse stannery, to which The Hurricane responded with the following email, which was widely circulated in lower-level music writing circles. Normally I draw the line at posting people’s personal correspondence, but I figured this would be instructive as far as understandin this guy’s thought process.

Just for the record, I read blogs, just like every other magazine editor I know. If you actually want to do this for a living, you really ought to be careful about airing people out.

No hard feelings. You just sound like a chump.

S.

did bol coin "hurricane fennessey"?

i dunno i picked it up from hurricane shipley

yeah, I think it was coined by BC in the aforementioned post he did about the Late Registration review.

bonus points to anyone who does a diss track about him over the beat from Arrested Development's "Tennessee"

"S."

i wish we could still change user names.

no FUBU jeans for a dairy queen / but he loves the dress, just like me / in my house or on my body / he guided me to fennessey

the hurra

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/80m.jpg

He's The Hurricane, his champion spirit is here to stay

"I told Jay that I had a song with Coldplay.
Next thing I knew he had a song with Coldplay"

haha

"and then i texted swizz like i got a song with coldplay
next thing i knew HE had a song with coldplay"

Everyone knows Mr. Sean Fennessey--the kid seems to have connects in every city. If it's not Philly Cheesesteaks, it's good old New York Pretzels. He is a global presence not only on the web but in real life. Like Biz Markie, Sean is a large presence in more ways than one. His personality is matched by his large frame and, although infamous for "wearing it well," the Irishman is getting out of control. Sean, consider this an intervention--you're shit is getting off the handle. Want proof? Take a look at these recent pictures of the kid. He literally dwarfs the normal-sized Jamz and looks like he's about to take a king-sized bite out of his head. He also envelopes my picturesque backyard with his odd largeosity. Please believe me

Kanye West’s Late Registration a glowing, ridonkulous review in Pitchfork and didn’t bother to mention anywhere in it that he just so happens to be the proprietor a Kanye West fansite.

zuh?

did this suddenly become akin to giving a four star review to someone who backed up a truck full of canyonero money to your house or something?

well don't you run the battles, liars and justice fan sites, jess?

those are merely fronts to collect money off of porn links

Kanye West’s Late Registration a glowing, ridonkulous review in Pitchfork and didn’t bother to mention anywhere in it that he just so happens to be the proprietor a Kanye West fansite a Dairy Queen.

i kinda like the chris martin track

"I told Jay that I had a song with Coldplay.
Next thing I knew he had a song with Coldplay"

haha

-- tpp, Saturday, 1 September 2007 15:54 (7 hours ago) Link

haha, between that lyric, and the Nelly Furtado interview where she talked about introducing Timbaland to Chris Martin ("Tim kept calling Chris 'Coldplay,' like, 'Hey, Coldplay!' and 'Coldplay's here!'"), I'm really starting to wonder if anyone in hip hop understand that the guy's name isn't Coldplay.

replace "understands" with "cares"

either way, it's all very "by the way, which one's Pink?"

by the way, which one's Pink?

Speaking of, have we had a thread dedicated to "Who Knew"? I don't think so. Maybe this should be it. Damn, that song is beautiful. I love that really tense buildup at the end. Pink's vocal reminds me quite a bit of Kelly Clarkson's on "Never Again." They're right next to each other on my top 50 singles of the year list (as of right now).

ok, whether or not you knew that I was quoting Pink Floyd there, that was one weird segue, dude. there was some talk about "Who Knew" on the Rolling US Charts thread this week, though.

(yes, I was just contributing to the randomness of this thread)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/tapestore/tsc_biscuit_000.jpg

This is Biscuit. He's up for sale, and you can buy him for $199. Otherwise, he'll be killed!

Some people claim that Biscuit is a female. They're wrong.

I'd love to hear the instrumental from "Flashing Lights" + U Saved Me R Kelly step a cappellas.

Will Kanye ever be a good MC? Is the learning curve such that he'll be a better MC than producer in five years?

kanye is a good MC.

No. He's getting worse and worse. Terrible flow, worse lyrics.

How he should have split the beats:
"Can't Tell Me Nothin" >>> Chuck D
"Good Life" >>> Lil Mama
"Champion" >>> Lil Wayne
"Homecoming" >>> T.I.
"Stronger" >>> Trash Can

"Good Life" >>> Lil Mama

this is the worst idea ever.

kanye is a good MC. lono

No. He's getting worse and worse. Terrible flow, worse lyrics. tru

i don't nec. disagree w/ young tape store, but i wouldn't classify kanye as a "bad" MC.

meaning i don't nec. disagree w/ the notion that he raps better on college dropout on late reg.

i still like his "flow"/lyrics

Meh, he's an MC who makes me NOT want to listen to the songs. I feel like his flow got better on Grad but fuck if his lyrics still pull me out of the song.

"Just last year Chicago had over 600 caskets,
Man, killing is wack-ass shit.
Oh I forgot, except when niggas is rappin'.
Do you know what it feels like when people is passin'?"

If you're gonna introduce this type of thematic shit in your lyrics, you can't put this up. YES YE, I'M SURE THOSE OTHER MCs DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE.

i'll tie you to a chair and make you eat ur own defecation 8>

xpost

I can wait a week to hear something that isn't a clean version.

no one has made the connection that drunk hot girls = sing swan song

kurupt - stalkin >>>>>> pharcyde - hey you >>>> pete nice & daddy rich >>>> drunk hot girls

were those rip offs of sing swan song too?

vitamin c

"Drunk Hot Girls" is the worst song ever.

Damnit, we get it! Paste Magazine was right!

big brother is one of the best rap songs all year and one of kanyes best songs everrr IMO

the album seems a bit hurried though - like he hasnt spent as much time on it as the others.

this thread makes me weep for the children

or maybe the man-children

the album seems a bit hurried though - like he hasnt spent as much time on it as the others.

Too much time on coke/ecstacy/sluts/hipsters retroactively soaking up Daft Punk (too late, Swizz did this earlier and better) and trying to make Puffy circa 1998 music videos in misguided attempt to catch up with the cool kids he was always too nerdy to hang with until he realized in that typically coked-out megalomaniacal way that he was the biggest pop star ever. P.S. Common looks so Obi Wan on that new album - stay in Brooklyn loser, Chi doesn't need you and never did.

Kanye was doing beats for Bad Boy artists in '98, I don't think he needed to "catch up" with what Puffy was doing back then.

I'm sure he'll appreciate the advice.

(xpost)

Or whatever the hell your bizarre coked-out rant was trying to say. (xpost)

Have you seen the Stronger video? It's like a throwback to 1998, but in an era where no one watches MTV any more.

This album sucks, Kanye got on the synth bandwagon too late and hasn't figured them out yet. He's trying to replace the old retro-soul-vibe with this hamfisted future aesthetic (those idiotic glasses!) but cannot pull it off. I blame new friends and the addiction to that drug... uh, I guess he said fame in that mixtape, so nm.

P.S. Did I hurt you guyses feelings?

Kanye was doing beats for Bad Boy artists in '98, I don't think he needed to "catch up" with what Puffy was doing back then.

-- Alex in Baltimore, Sunday, September 2, 2007 10:28 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

madd rapper suicide pact

Have you seen the Stronger video? It's like a throwback to 1998

i don't see the problem

the jordan sargent "svelte" of approval

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Have you seen the Stronger video? It's like a throwback to 1998, but in an era where no one watches MTV any more.

This album sucks, Kanye got on the synth bandwagon too late and hasn't figured them out yet. He's trying to replace the old retro-soul-vibe with this hamfisted future aesthetic (those idiotic glasses!) but cannot pull it off. I blame new friends and the addiction to that drug... uh, I guess he said fame in that mixtape, so nm.

P.S. Did I hurt you guyses feelings?

-- Gavin, Sunday, September 2, 2007 10:35 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I agree that Kanye's synth work on the album could be better and it's kind of a weird aesthetic fit for him, and that the 'futuristic' videos/clothes are cheesy and he's letting A-Trak or whoever turn him onto some wack hipster shit. But, as a great man once said: "No hard feelings. You just sound like a chump."

i dont think his synth work is that bad at all. its not like hes trying to sound like say, jeezys producers. hes just trying to combine it with his own thing.

i like those glasses

my dad used to have a pair like that in red

This is by far his best album, imo, but that's coming from someone who liked about 75% of his first one, maybe 50% of his second and, despite thinking he's an awesome producer, I've never liked his flow, or most of his lyrics.

Suffice it to say, the production, lyrics and flow on this album are by far his most solid. He's not just doing that fuckin' annoying thing where he rhymes the same sounding thing over and over ("She was supposed to get TYco with the money, she went and got LYpo with the money, she should've got insured GEico with your money" ... ugh).

He's still not the greatest rapper, but this is definitely a solid album. "Drunk and Hot girls" was a grower, but I love that track now. And "Everything I Am" with the primo scratches is awesome.

Much like with the new Arcade Fire, an artist who I found to have an overrated album / persona came back with an album that actually justified their hype, proving that I'm not always an elitist asshole who hates popular music.

He's not just doing that fuckin' annoying thing where he rhymes the same sounding thing over and over ("She was supposed to get TYco with the money, she went and got LYpo with the money, she should've got insured GEico with your money" ... ugh).

you mean "rhyming"?

i have totally been on the nuts of 'good life' all day today. thanks emoti-kanye.

He's not just doing that fuckin' annoying thing where he rhymes the same sounding thing over and over ("She was supposed to get TYco with the money, she went and got LYpo with the money, she should've got insured GEico with your money" ... ugh).

Don't ever fix your lips like collagen
then say something where you gon end up apologin
Let me know if it's a problem then
aight man holla then

obviously max otm.

yeah totally, i like those verses, not annoying to me.

i know i was being sarcastic but i cant parse the sentence "that... thing where he rhymes the same sounding thing over and over" any other way

He uses the 'word' "apologin"!!

From what i've heard, "Good Life" is easily the best track, and I attribute 65% of its awesomeness to T. Pain's contribution...30% to the beat (Go PYT sample!)...5% to Kanye's verses (obv. Kanye's production belongs in that 95% chunk...I love how he treates T. Pain as an instrument rather than as some quirky guest vocalist)

Actually, 65% is a bit high. Give more to the beat.

if "champion" doesn't end up being a single i'll probably end up liking it the best a year from now as one of those tracks on his albums that are as good as the singles but since it isn't a single you don't get tired of hearing it ("spaceship," get 'em high," "drive slow," "gone" etc.)

altho i guess drive slow was a single (or had a video) but it didn't do shit so it doesn't really count.

"A-Trak is a part of our whole scene. He plays everything across the board. He just loves music. I know he introduced Kanye to a lot of things, one thing in particular was the movie Anchorman (laughs). And now Kayne quotes the movie in his songs all the time and you can hear it."

Let me know if it's a problem then
aight man holla then

-- Tape Store, Tuesday, September 4, 2007 4:44 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

oh man, the long long pause between those two lines is infuriating. also "they say I talk with so much emphasis..................ooh they so sensitive!"

I don't think anyone should want to take credit for 'introducing' Kanye to <i>Anchorman</i>, I mean he was quoting shit like <i>Happy Gilmore</i> well before that anyway. Kanye is like a walking Snorg shirt.

A-Trak understands the importance of the dress.

the problem with kanye

for example these two lines:
Let me know if it's a problem then
aight man holla then

that second one is completely extraneous

this seems to be the case for almost 25% of his lyrics
if my calculations are correct

I just cannot get into this album. I loved his first, this is my least favourite of his albums

Does "Stronger" sound any different from the single version on anyone's copy of the album? Kanye said in a few recent interviews that he had Timbaland re-do the drums for the LP version of the song at the last minute, but it sounds exactly the same as it did before on the copy I downloaded. Maybe it'll be the new version on the retail CD next week, though?

Why does "Drunk and Hot Girls" completely steal the vocal melody from a Can song? ("Sing Swan Song")

It takes a lot more than that, if you'd listen further or read more upthread.

Huh, I always thought Donald Fagen was saying "Italian," not "champion."

Does "Stronger" sound any different from the single version on anyone's copy of the album? Kanye said in a few recent interviews that he had Timbaland re-do the drums for the LP version of the song at the last minute, but it sounds exactly the same as it did before on the copy I downloaded. Maybe it'll be the new version on the retail CD next week, though?

-- Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:46 (2 hours ago) Link

my version of stronger sounds the same, too.

Huh, I always thought Donald Fagen was saying "Italian," not "champion."

-- jaymc, Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:00 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lol @ "did you realize you were Italian in their eyes." paging Passantino...

i just spent like 30 seconds trying to figure out what 'raging passantino' meant

-- and what (ooo), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:57 (10 months ago) Link

lol

yeah, i don't think 'stronger's sounds any different either. BUT it is different to me in that i heard it out the other night and it suddenly made total trashtalking dickhead/way insecure drunken sense, like how the way the sample's so big and confident and clumsily executed with all the "god put you in front of me / so how the hell could you front on me" stuff

still not good sober, mind.

i feel the same way about cant tell me nothin

pretty happy with the album really. i think the thing with kanye is he always treads that very fine line wrt him being a completey annoying arsehole, and it's the very small things that validate that stuff in your head; i wz kinda dreading another overblown 'late registration' epic (even though that was still great at the time) as much as i feared a shiny jap hipster dinky toy horror like where 'stronger' and the mixtape suggested he was at, and so even though you do still get all of that stuff in this one the presence of the simpler oldskool roc type stuff leaves you with the impression of the dorky likeable kanye from 03 you like to think still exists somewhere, or ever existed even. haha like smiling/shaking yr head to that "buy any jeans necessary" line for instance.

xp 4real i never got that irl chance with 'nothing' but i can totally imagine the same thing happening, yeah

hearing t-pain and kanye together is really satisfying too, i always kinda thought when t-pain came out it was like a rnb kanye in that same really talented outsider dork vibe

and you know t-pain's next album is probly gonna be some ridiculously overambitious carcrash too

Oh and why the fuck isn't Mos Def rapping anymore i swear that man needs a slap to make him stop making films and doing odd singing and get back to writing fantastic lyrics. Wanker.

rtc totally otm

like, point by point

I'm not sure if this has gone unmentioned because it's blindingly obvious or if I really am the only one to notice, but: "Big Brother" is a MIDI "Dead Presidents."

"I Wonder" is fuckin great.

He uses the 'word' "apologin"!!

a rapper NOT USING THE QUEEN'S ENGLISH??

my stars! i passed out with the vapors on my fainting couch when i heard the news..luckily my butler stepped in to loosen my cravat! however, this news weighed heavy on my mind, i was scarcely able to enjoy rigoletto that night at the opera.

it's not that he used a gramatically incorrect slang word, it's that he dropped a syllable out of a word to force a stupid fucking rhyme.

I'm better than my competa, you mean competitor, whadeva!

omg, i'm fighting off a gang o lols; ilm's gonna get me kicked outta the public library wtf

^^^fennessey??

don't you wish, ethan!

oh wait, did you mean "are you, beatrix kiddo, laughing at all the sean jokes? or the ye dialectic?" it's the former, i promise.

it's not that he used a gramatically incorrect slang word, it's that he dropped a syllable out of a word to force a stupid fucking rhyme.

EXACTLY!

I'm totally behind Umbrella ('cause that extra syllable is for a good cause)

fuck yall kweli haters he just dropped a gem with styles

http://www.zshare.net/audio/33132426817093/

my mistake, it ain't

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h62/freshcrunkjuice/03/01/SSNCOVER.jpg

david banner will kill em both

chris martin singing about fireworks at lake michigan makes me roffle.

kenny chesney wins.

she feels booze like she bombed at the apollo

whipped it out, she said "i never seen snakes on a plane"

i like 'good morning'

I absolutely loved Late Registration all the way through, but I've always hated College Dropout and what I've heard from the new one sounds pretty bad too. And by pretty bad I mean absolutely terrible. Maybe I'm just weird.

Kanye a Can fan though? That's pretty cool and somewhat of a surprise.

i hated this on first listen but now it pleases meh.

the totem/scrotum line rhyme is mindblowing even by his standards.

kanye is the zima to my book club.

easily my favorite kanye album. I love it in kind of an embarrassing, drooly way.

kanye is the zima to my book club.

-- TynanTynan, Monday, September 10, 2007 6:17 PM (4 hours ago)

^ip check?

hi krl0pper
kaknye west is dead to me forever for ruining sing swan song; i listened to it like one half-minute and i felt the tremor of damo suzuki's large and frail body collapsing somewhere on the other side of the earth

i like "drunk hot girls" mostly because all the can lames hate it

'everything i am' has the weakest cardboardest drums of anything premos name was ever on - sounds like that john mayer joint

The packaging opens from the left.

Halfway through, and I am fucking impressed.

"I Wonder" is fuckin great.

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, September 5, 2007 12:25 AM (Wednesday, September 5, 2007 12:25 AM) Bookmark Link

The packaging opens from the left.

-- The Reverend, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 15:47 (34 minutes ago) Link

kanye reaches out to the hebrews?

"Common passed on this beat/ I made it to a jam"

Common otm

'i wonder' is dogshit

if youre feeling this, stop listening to rap music

why isnt that joint with nas and krs and r on this

if theres room for dude from coldplay and mos def singing his lil heart out for 4 minutes over vanessa carlton pianos you can fit a rakim verse on this bitch

only good morning, stronger, cant tell me nothin & the steely dan joint actually please meh

uh, cause Nike owns that song, not Kanye?

i mean seriously "Classic" is cool but there was never any indication it would be on Kanye's album, why not whine about a hundred other collabs and freestyles that aren't on rappers' albums.

"good life" is my favorite because it reminds me of aspirational 'spaceship'-type kanye

because its a kanye track i heard this year that i was feeling more than 80% of this shitty album?

good life is unbelievable garbage

Good Life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stronger >>> Can't Tell Me Nothin

good life is a mess

stronger would be dope as an album cut, underwhelming as attempt at stadium rap single

cant tell me nothin is dope, period

the glory>>good life

for real i was not dying to hear t-pain over a off key slum village b-side

The last third of this doesn't please meh. : (

(xps) Okay, this is where I get all deej and go zzzz.

this record is making me reconsider saying that producers need to flip the beat more... all these gay lil beatless violin/piano breaks in the middle of a joint make me wanna listen to nothing but south bronx all day

"Good Life" would actually be better w/o T-Pain. Like, if they removed his vocals and left everything else exactly the same, that would be better. Kanye's asides in the first verse crack me up.

cant tell me nothin is dope, period

-- and what, Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:57 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

the beat is at any rate

alex in baltimore otm
wtf sounds slum village about toomp beat

i like t-pain on it too

"X sounds like a y b-side" is becoming has done been a dull criticism.

i dont give blanket approval to every toomp beat, good life just sounds like trash to me

xp AIGHT THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE A REGULAR ALBUM CUT SLUM VILLAGE DILLA THROWAWAY WITH PITCHED UP DROWNED OUT WEIRD DRUMS CUT-UP BULLSHIT

I don't give blanket approval to every Toomp beat, "Can't Tell Me Nothin" just sounds like trash to me. Different strokes, I guess.

"The Glory" is an inferior "Never Change" (Jay-Z).

good life consensus makes me feel like im taking crazy pills... i havent been able to get through a full listen of it yet

cant tell me nothin wouldve been better if like p$c was on it but whatever

cant tell me nothin wouldve been better if like p$c was on it but whatever

^ True.

"Can't Tell Me Nothing", "Barry Bonds", & "Drunk & Hot Girls" form this nice, dark, weird little core of the album, though.

lol 'played a role in chicago like queen latifah'

i forgot, 'barry bonds' prob has the best beat

The giant fuzz-bass that drops on the title = fuck yeah.

barry bonds is boring

nottz is my favorite producer tho that snoop/kells beat was the shit

That was some pleasure cruise pimpin' shit, foreal.

ok im feeling "everything i am" despite serious thugz mansion vibes

its also the only track i dont wish had non-kanye rappers on it

ARGH @ packaging. Okay, yes, the cartoons are cute, but this is going to be scratched all to hell in no time.

its weird that no one can agree on album standouts

fwiw i like all of the songs discussed above except i wonder which its fucking terrible

if genocide had a sound it would sound like i wonder

i hate that it even exists

"I Wonder" is fuckin great.

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, September 5, 2007 7:25 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Link

:(

its weird that no one can agree on album standouts

That's generally a good sign.

except its not like "oh theyre all i good but i couldnt possibly choose which one i love the most!" its like "these ones are great and those ones suck"

kanye has a better voice for rapping than p diddy!

you know i hate "i wonder" but i think "everything i am" sucks even worse

except its not like "oh theyre all i good but i couldnt possibly choose which one i love the most!" its like "these ones are great and those ones suck"

I realize that. The point still stands.

lol @ the good life video ripping off the cartoony letters from the d.a.n.c.e. video

everything i am sounds like a mediocre college dropout song.

'divisive'

t/s ys vs. graduation

ys?

LOCK THREAD.

Oh, I'm slow. I thought ys was an abbreviation for something. I have no interest in hearing Ys. That was not an endorsement.

ys >>>>>>> graduation, i realize that ethan will call me gay, but its true

i realize that ethaneveryone will call me gay, but its true

http://www.falcom.com/licence/character/image/ys_logo.jpg

deadanimalhat.jpg

i also thought ys was an abbreviation but 4 fear of a clowning i didn't ask
can't enjoy ys sober, personally.

i'm often pleased by deadanimalhat.jpeg

i wonder how much he paid Takashi Murakami for the sleeve? he doesn't come cheap.

ha ha

Oh well.

Kanye's album outsells 50 Cent's by 200,000 on day one
September 12, 2007 04:59pm

50 Cent said he'd hang up his mic if Kanye West's new album outsold his. He might have spoken too soon.

Critics are raving about West's Graduation - and its already sold 200,000 more units than Fiddy's Curtis since yesterday's same-day release in the US.

The hip-hop egomaniacs were pitted against each other when, last month, Fiddy said on <i>sohh.com: </i>

"If Kanye West sells more records than 50 Cent on September 11, I'll no longer (perform) music. I'll write music and work with my other artists but I won't put out any more solo albums."

Associated Press said on the strength of the albums, West could claim a "landslide victory."

"... Graduation still sound like a logical step forward. Yet Curtis sounds like Fiddy is standing in place ... Fiddy's outsized cockiness sounds like a comfortable artist repeating himself, afraid to tinker with his winning formulas."

Ryan Dombal, from Pitchfork, gave Fiddy just 4.9 stars out of 10.

"in direct opposition to Kanye's fearless, risk-taking, Graduation, 50's new album is a blatant rehash - a bottom-line sequel that insults the same audience it mildlessly panders to."

Respected sie HiphopDX said: "50 cent may be a superstar, but Curtis is pedestrian."

But critics heaped praise on West's Graduation.

Rolling Stone gave the album 4.5 stars out of five, saying: "This is an album that you first like, then love."

HiphopDX echoed the sentiment.

"Kanye has created another must-have album that will continuously bump on your CD players and mp3's for months to come."

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,22406293-10388,00.html

sweet jesus the ass on the girl in the good life vid

lol @ the good life video ripping off the cartoony letters from the d.a.n.c.e. video

-- Jordan Sargent, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 03:41 (9 hours ago) Link

is it still 'ripping off' if it's the same director?

rtc OTM re: ass

idve preferred a more logical boob tho, wtf

haha has it really been 39 minutes

this pretty enjoyable for a victory lap album

It helps that the victory laps are a lot shorter this time.

Yeah, this still has some fat on it, but I really didn't need another excessive Kanye-athon.

I thought Late Registration was the more-enjoyable-than-it-had-a-right-to-be victory lap album. This one, I think, is too short. I'm tired of all these big deal rap albums that are 13 songs, 4-5 of which were advance singles/leaks. Graduation has the same amount of filler/bad idea tracks as the last album, just fewer solid songs and obvious highlights to balance it out.

I admire how Kanye's become like Madonna: he collaborate with a hot producer, then discards him after he's learned all his tricks. "Everything I Am," "Homecoming," and "Good Life" are so much denser than anything on LR.

I don't get how people sit through 80-min monstrosities, esp. ones by people whose obnoxious tendencies become exacerbated as they outstay their welcome. (That said, I love The College Dropout even as I would like to take an ax to portions of it. Late Registration doesn't have enough good material to build a 40-minute album, let alone a disc-filler.

) <--- close parenthesis

I don't get how people get so intimidated by the thought of paying for 80 minutes of music when they can so easily pick and choose the songs they like or break it up into multiple listening sessions. I'm just saying, I think fewer songs more often than not merely gives the impression of higher quality control, and I'd rather get my money's worth and get a bunch of new songs and make up my mind about which ones I like than pay all that money for maybe 8 songs I haven't heard on the radio already.

^^^OTM

even when albums are 10 tracks long i rarely have the time to sit and listen to the whole album front to back. If I do, I've probably also got time to listen to another five tracks

I suppose I should just start a thread for the Great Rap Album Length Debate already since I seem to have this argument a couple times a year, but I really hate this shrinking album trend. Hey Swizz Beatz, you made 80 billion songs this year, but when I pay cash money for your album, all you've got are 10 songs, a remix, and a voicemail from Snoop Dogg? Fuck you!

but WHAT A VOICEMAIL!

I dunno, I still hold on to notions that albums should be listened to front to back in one sitting, and the idea of correlating value to amount of music is just entirely foreign to me for whatever reasons. I never really want to listen to any one person for more than an hour at a time or so. I find myself never even listening to long albums more than once or twice a lot of times, even when I like a certain number of songs on them.

I guess I find long albums intimidating.

Honestly, Reverend, I feel pretty much the same way. I tend to listen to albums in one sitting and do get impatient with longer ones. With rock and underground rap, I generally prefer shorter albums. I just feel differently with mainstream rap/pop records where half the songs are put out for media saturation beforehand and there's a lot less to discover or hear with fresh ears on the album itself.

'd rather get my money's worth and get a bunch of new songs and make up my mind about which ones I like than pay all that money for maybe 8 songs I haven't heard on the radio already.

Capitalist!

Seriously, if I had to pick and choose from 80 minutes worth of music, chances are that it's not a good album! You don't discard tracks from good albums.

Yeah, I can understand that, but I've gotten a bit lazy about searching stuff out early, like in this case I'd only heard "Stronger" and "Can't Tell Me Nothing" beforehand. (xp)

the thread al wants to start is less about "album length" and more about what an "album" is, i think--because isn't it going to come down to ppl who hold the view that albums are in their entirety statements or works of art that should be listened to from front to back vs. ppl who hold the view that buying an album is like buying 12-18 songs and sequencing is a secondary concern if one at all

I should say that for me, 8 songs I haven't heard already is more or less ideal.

max otm

i mean obv those are extreme positions and most of us probably fall in the middle somewhere but that seems to be the sense i get

The funny thing is I'm not even a pick & choose/discard songs type at all, although I'm making a devil's-advocate argument from that perspective to an extent. My deal is more that I want to listen to it all the way through, but I'd rather listen to a long and inconsistent record and be like "OK, there was some bad stuff, but plenty of good stuff too," than listen to a short and inconsistent record and at the end feel like "that's it? that's all? Van Damme!" And really the argument is only really pertinent here because Kanye is pretty inconsistent by nature and so those are the only 2 options.

plus some of us are trying to fit things on cassettes, people

I don't have the fucking time to turn every single rap album I get in 2007 into a best-of mixtape.

I know kids no longer think of albums as sequences of great songs, but as a critic I listen to too much music to waste time on dud songs: the more songs I skip on a second listen, the less apt I am to give the album props.

lots of songs i skip on first listen end up being the best ones

^^^^^otm

i think it has a lot to do with how we listen to music, too. most of my CD/album listening is done in the car and i dont mind long albums because every time i start my car it picks up in the place where it left off--im not starting from track 1 and missing track 18 every time.

what about when u were all pruning yr fantasy ugk albums last month, still repping filler then?

I think a 29-track behemoth that is easily one of the best/replayable albums of the year might be an exception to the rule, whereas trimming the fat from this new Kia Shine album is something I would wish on no man.

i do think skits should be banned

I tend not to mind double albums so much because I just end up listening to each disc separately rather than trying to force it all in one go. That said, Underground Kingz is remarkably consistent for an album of its length and the only thing I'd remove are the crunk tracks.

max otm again

You'd leave the Jazze Pha?

xpost yeah rap double albums tend to be way more consistently listenable than rock double albums, probably because rap albums have more guests and more varied production aesthetics (or at least, they tend to, certainly over 2 cds)

I love skits when they come on an album, but hate them when they come up in shuffle.

I couldn't imagining listen to Doc's Da Name without "Pain In The Ass Stewardess" leading into Da Goodness

Or "This ain't no motherfuckin P" on Master P's Ghetto D. Classick.

There's a really funny skit on the Baby Boy Da Prince album.

dude seriously i dont think i ever listen to any record straight thru, even tracks i love - its usually a diff config every time

xp that skit is just the intro to make em say ungh not its own track

THIS RAPPIN 4TAY, WHOS THIS

rap double albums tend to be way more consistently listenable than rock double albums

maybe because the only rock 2cd in recent memory is Stadium Arcadium.

Jazze Pha makes more sense in the context of a UGK album way better than Lil Jon or Swizz Beatz.

I'm not anti-skits per se (hell, I quoted a De La skit a few posts ago), but I do admire Kanye for going for skit overboard on his first album (the two consecutive skits really pissed me off) to no skits at all on his third.

going for = going FROM, obviously

also NONE of kanye's skits have ever really been funny

"If this is P, lemme hear you say unnnngh"

xp "broke phi broke" is negative funny

Kanye's skits are good context-builders to his more conceptual albums

except that his "concepts" are annoying and not really interesting! o man a college degree is useless!! thanx kanye!!1! drop some more wisdom pls!!

it warmed my heart when I read that at a listening party Kanye said that the album would feature "no fake Bernie Mac!"

Actually, Graduation only has one less song than either of his first two albums, it's just that they have, like, ten mins worth of skits on them.

With the bonus tracks, my count comes to 15 songs on the record. Which is not short.

Mine doesn't have any bonus tracks.

Mine neither.

Did you get it at Best Buy or ZShare?

best buy one doesn't have bonus tracks.

college dropout--1:16:13 (14 tracks, incl. 12 minute final track, 7 skits)
late registration--1:10:26 (17 tracks (1 bonus) 5 skits)
graduation--51:18 (13 tracks (no bonus) 0 skits)

these are the editions i have

help i cannot stop listening to "flashing lights" k thx bye

Yeah Late Registration has 16 songs if you count "Late" and both versions of "Diamonds."

I didn't get "Flashing Lights" on the first couple listens but it really stuck with me today.

he hates the paparazzis even more than the nazis

and he HATES nazis, so you know he means business.

Davey D, are you this Davey D?

Did you get it at Best Buy or ZShare?

Neither (I got it at Fred Meyers, which is the only place in town you can buy cds at 7AM when I get off from work.)

I wasn't counting bonus tracks on Late Registration.

x-post

I always assumed so. If so, thanks for all the links that Paper Thin Walls gaffles on the daily.

I believe the bonus tracks are on the import version?

Davey D, are you this Davey D?

No, but I am a different Davey D.

Pay up, Whiney.

I was secretly hoping he was the one who wrote all the Kurtis Blow and Spoonie G songs

I have Davy's Ride on cassette, but i haven't gotten around to listening to it.

Looks like the UK version has one bonus track and the Japanese version has two.

Rev can use the money he just won to buy the import version of Late Registration

What's weird about Graduation is that I just get next to no vibe/impression from it AT ALL, I play it through and eventually it's over and that's it and I have no desire to listen again. It's like air. Usually when I say "it's like air" i'm referring to some shit I've heard, way, way too much but I've only listened to this album like 4-5 times since buying it yesterday.

An analogy no-one will agree with:

CD: a fun, zany, microbrew
LR: a big glass of strong red wine you can never finish at one sitting
G: a glass of water

Your tolerance is weak, dood.

I mean, I love the video an all, but fuck, I cannot listen to "Can't Tell Me Nothing" without picturing Zach Galifianakis and Will Oldham prancing around (especially when the hype man goes "ha-ha" - it's all about Bonnie Billy yo).

After two listens, I think "Big Brother" is easily the worst thing on here. Not sure why anyone likes it.

Unless they really wish they could kiss Jay-Z's ass personally or something.

It's ass-kissing, but it's also kinda wounded. Which is either one of Kanye's most egregious "look at me and empathize with me" plays on the record, or it's pretty honest. Maybe it's tacky to write about someone is your hero and hurt your feelings, but he did, and there's a certain amount of balls to that whatever his intention.

It just comes across as genuine and relatable, unlike a lot of the paparazzi-baiting on the rest of the album.

xpost

I guess I should just be grateful there aren't already four decades worth of songs with the word "Clive" in them.

hold up fennessey otm

Nice. Shows how it might have been, at least. Agreed with Vibe, that beat is crazy good.

That backing track could be me farting over it, and you'd still say it's good.

Yeah, I found "Big Brother" to be the most honest track on the record.

"flashing lights" is totally this album's darkhorse

i'm sorry but when has good rap had anything to do with "honesty"

reading your livejournal over some draggy metal pomp is not commendable

putting scarequotes around a word noone else has even used in the thread: classic or dud

look two posts above mine, dude. and kenan's too. wtf.

ctrl + f has failed me :(

yeah I added a "y", sorry.

Is that Chris Martin playing the barrelhouse pianner? If so, I want him doing session work.

anyway I agree that "Big Brother" is kinda lumbering and is probably gonna end up really overrated. but in the context of the album it really does cut through all the vague 'universal' stadium rock lyrics on the rest of the album. (xp)

translate espanol no way jose

big brother actually sounded awesome on 106 the other day. his voice was all hoarse and then he brought out jay and the crowd started to riot.

Yeah I guess it should've been obvious what was gonna happen when he started performing that song, but it was kind of exciting and unexpected when the DJ threw on "Encore" and Jay ran out.

lol @ "konichiwa bitches"...if it's a Robyn reference.

Oh for fuck's sake

i thought it was a gza ref

basically if youre jammin this album but dont watch dave chappelle you kinda fucked up homie

I would say it's obviously a Chappelle's Show/Wu Tang reference if it was any other rapper, but with Kanye these days you have to assume he'll leave no Eurohipster stone unturned.

A-Trak: Man, I introduced Kanye to Daft Punk, and, like, that movie Anchorman, you know, the singer Robyn, those Keffiyeh scarves, Asian girlfriends, and this dope messageboard called "I Love Music".

I wish Kanye still posted here :(

you could also email him at the address he used on those old posts, i think it was jur✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧

nu ilm ruined joke :((((

Learn some humility/no sufjan no credibility

guys, he's gonna rap about 20 Jazz Funk Greats blog now

People who think Kanye is pandering to indie people with Daft Punk/PB&J samples as opposed to just absorbing things that are ubiquitous in the places he hangs out in = Not OTM

i dont think hes pandering to 'indie people',hes just a walking snorg tee (c) shipley

eh, although I called him "Euro-pandering" in another thread just now I do agree, but I think it kinda goes without saying. i mean it's not like there's a huge built-in audience for Daft Punk/Peanut Butter & Jelly that's there to cash in on. if anything he's going after the big white folks money with the Adam Levine/Chris Martin collabs.

(xpost lol what he said)

I'm pretty sure Peanut Butter & Jelly is even more popular than Coldplay.

I thought for a second he meant Kanye sampled Peanut Butter Jelly Time.

http://vgamp.com/cutenews/data/emoticons/dancingbanana.gif

the "good life" video is prob. not going to help kanye's indie-pandering image

It's Peter Bjorn & John time.

you shouldnt underrate the influence of catchdubs blendizzle dudes tho, it may be a small portion of kanye's audience but its one with a direct line to lots of his press/media coverage - rapping over songs from the OC isnt just to get that college rap dough, its a good way to get critics to ignore your other shortcomings

I like the audaciousness of having two of the most popular rnb singers of the moment on "Good Life" to sing one line each.

what the hell, when did everyone forget that Daft Punk is GREAT? Ubiquitous ans snorg are not the only options here.

I had no idea what you were talking about until I looked it up, that's so weird. What lines are Ne-Yo and John Legend singing? I don't remember anything sounding like them on the song at all. (xp)

moreover when did Daft Punk become shorthand for INDIE? I mean they've had gold plaques and videos all over MTV in America, they're not exactly below the mainstream radar.

more like baduation

They come at the end of the second verse, Ne-Yo first, then Legend.

its like when slick rick & q-tip on girls girls girls

And Biz, too!

i like the good life video. is that whole bape color pattern style thing really supposed to be credited to catchdubsizzle dudes? pharell's been rocking this sort of eccentric urban colorforms thing since most of those dudes were in college

the aesthetic runs deeper than 'lol hipsters' i mean, altho its not one i care for regardless

nobody is saying al's boy lacrate invented bape hoodies but kanye nerding it up & rapping over the garden state soundtrack cant hurt him in the corny hipster identification dept

and yeah daft punk is daft punk but its suspect when you make such a huge blendizzle deal out of it instead of just sampling house music on the low

theres definitely something very limited edition vinyl toy about the way kanye is marketed now

well i'm sure what Kanye's doing does appeal to some indie kids, but it probably turns off the hipster rap fan sect that REALLY WANTS to believe that the Clipse and Juelz really do deal.

when all is said and done i'd probably be more down w/ this phase of his career if he chopped Can and Daft Punk samples as well as he used to chop Al Green and Lenny Williams samples.

Kanye never made a big deal out of it, blogs did.

xxpost

well, Kanye hasn't featured every artist (or at least people dressed as those artists lol robot suits) he's sampled in the videos for his songs, just Daft Punk.

yeah exactly i think itd be fair to say if for example he did 'through the wire' as featuring chaka khan and had chaka kahn in the video hed be trying to appeal to 80s rnb/quiet storm/jess's mom type ppl

hey, well he did have Chaka come and sing with him at the VMA's that year.

like, thats the difference really - sample black music its just another beat, sample white music and its a 'mash-up' and you get a mtv news segment & 3 posts on the fader blog

So "Doggy Dogg World" was Snoop's attempt to connect to 50-year-old Dramatics fans?

otm

x-post

Yeah, again MTV News and Fader are making a big deal out of it, not Kanye.

Don't think Ye is doing some contrived publicity stunt because rockist dipshits can't wrap their head around that fact that hip-hop's been sampling rock bands for 30 years

All the LOL CAN OMG on this board alone is like o_O

Get one "Planet Rock"

But they only sample classic rock, right? And stuff that was widespread popular! So it's news.

(Don't tell Liquid Liquid)

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drd100/d173/d17305cq57u.jpg

xp so marketing-obsessed kanye doesnt think about what the response could be to anything he does? anyway im pretty sure he was going omg lol daft punk more than anybody at the collabo

I think it's 'news' partly because most of the time the party line on modern rock/rap collabs is "lol why do rappers only like crappy popular rock like Coldplay and Linkin Park"

xpost

I'm sure when Kanye goes drinking and clubbing with hot models and incredibly famous people, he's not thinking "omg lol" every time the DJ undoubtedly plays Daft Punk.

but the hot model Kanye parties with is Cassie! I'm sure she just has Ryan Leslie demos and YouTube rants on endless repeat wherever they hang out.

ilm/catchdubs/mtv news/whatever's whole OMG RAPPERS SAMPLE COOL WHITE PEOPLE MUSIC stance is wack as ever but dudes like kanye seem pretty aware of this as a hook

many xposts

The disconnect is that Kanye actually hears Daft Punk in its intended setting--clubs and parties. While most of the people who write and pontificate about Kanye on the internet only hear Daft Punk through their headphones while they eat doritos and get blog ass.

name names

Beef is Kanye's job, not mine.

http://www.soulstrut.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/weaksauce.gif

eat doritos and get blog ass.

jeez does EVERY thread have to be about Perpetua?

Since I'm ranting, I think now's a good time as ever to suggest everyone quit the wack Perptua bullying.

Yeah, I'm sure Kanye hears Daft Punk more authentically than the dorks who have been buying their albums for 10 years. Got any fantasies about Swizz Beats hearing DP?

I bet Swizz and Ye go to the same parties!

yeah sorry. you set it up pretty well though! I mean I think that MTV and magazine staffers are as likely to be at clubs and industry parties more than sitting listening to headphones with a snackpack.

(xpost I remember Swizz saying that he'd been a big Daft Punk fan for years when "Touch It" came out, whereas Kanye has just been like "oh that's just something my DJ played for me recently that I liked")

can we derail the thread from whiney's kanye-listening-to-daft-punk fan fiction to talk about the album again

http://whippersnapper.wordpress.com/

While rappers before were mostly using similar soul and funk samples, Kanye sampled Daft Punk. He’s had Adam Levine and Chris Martin on his tracks while having Jon Brion — Fiona Apple’s producer — produce his last album. All of his songs have real hooks, while his singing might not be great, it can carry most of the choruses. It’s also clear that the production and hummability of every song is of near equal importance of the rhymes or the verbal flow, which has been true for very, very few popular hip hop albums. While Gold Digger may have been a cascade of clever rhymes and imagery, it was getting Jamie Foxx to sing as Ray Charles and Jon Brion’s funky electric piano on the third verse that made the song something special.

is that a billy sunday post

aight, let's talk the album: does anyone think that "Homecoming" is better than "Home" (Kanye's mixtape track from 5 years ago with the same lyrics over a different beat)? I can barely listen to this new version, it doesn't sound right at all to me, but maybe that's because I'm attached to the old one.

I didn't see any references to Fiona Apple being "hardbody" (xpost)

way to listen to daft punk... dorito-breath!'

hahaha

Q: what does billy sunday eat for breakfast?

A: eggs over hardbody

mwwwahahahaha

Wack. Anyway, does anyone else feel like the whole album feels like a drunk night out or a weekend day? Between the synth club vibe thing, the obnoxious drunk swagger with lines about how he's so special, I could get any of you girls, etc. to the end where he's all like "jay, you're like my brother, man..." you get the entire timeline of being in a drunk party lifestyle.

I love "Homecoming"! I'd rather hear Chris Martin plinkety-plocketing about fireworks in Lake Michigan than getting wet over clocks and yellow.

Why do people always think that because you've recently discovered an artist, that makes you any less of a fan?

This album is mediocre, with few highlights. And that So Me video pisses me off, but I give him an A+ for being so ambitious.

The show's what Kanye would expect from a band A-Trak likes. Loud and aggressive and playful, and he knows he's going to have bruises in the morning. He wants them.

He feels alive like he hasn't in what feels like months. The music drills into his brain, his heart echoes the thump of the bass, and he raises his hands above his head, loses himself in it, in the people, the press of bodies around him. Every once in awhile he catches a glimpse of A-Trak, eyes drifting to his from where he holds court at the bar - making sure I'm okay, Kanye thinks - and smiles. He can't disappear because no one escapes the watchful gaze of A-Trak. Kanye feels safe - first time in awhile for that, too.

When it's all over, A-Trak drives him home. They're silent, most of the way. A-Trak is like that a lot, when the cameras are off and they're out of the public eye. He chooses his words carefully, Kanye thinks. Knows the value of quiet. Smart guy.

They sit in Kanye's driveway for several long minutes, and Kanye mostly waits, because he senses there's something to say. He's more perceptive than people give him credit for.

A-Trak's fingers tap on the steering wheel. "Rosie O'Donnell wants to buy one of my bikes."

"Huh." Kanye's not sure what to say.

"She's gay."

"Yeah, I kind of already figured that out." There's a ghost of a smile on Kanye's lips.

"I'm gay, too, you know."

Kanye starts to giggle, because yes, yes, it's true. A-Trak is gay. A-Trak told them that years ago, when the whole thing started out, and he's not at all sure why it's funny, but Rosie's gay, and so is A-Trak, and maybe they'll be grand marshals of some Big Gay Parade somewhere. The giggles turn to full-fledged laughter, and before Kanye realizes what's happening he's laughing so hard he's crying. Then he is crying, great big fat tears streaming down his face and A-Trak's arms around him, A-Trak's voice soft in his ear.

It's been a long time since he's let himself cry.

When he's done, he wipes his face and gets out of the car, nodding at A-Trak, who rolls down his window. "Good to see you're still alive in there," he says, and backs out of the driveway. "By the way, you should check out this record by these French robot dudes, Daft Punk. Everyone at the club loves it."

Kanye stands there for a long time, well after his taillights have disappeared into the distance.

you people.

is that fan fic!? I thought A-Trak was dating Flosstradamus's weed carrier chick.

who, deej?

I'd rather hear Chris Martin plinkety-plocketing about fireworks in Lake Michigan than getting wet over clocks and yellow.

Why?

also why compare it to Coldplay in response to my question specifically comparing it to an earlier version of the same song?

He's asleep, passed out on the couch in the booth, when gentle fingers nudge him awake. He opens his eyes, and A-Trak is fidgeting in front of him, bouncing on his toes, all nervous energy.

"What?" he asks.

"It's done, I think. I think maybe it's done," A-Trak says, and hands him a disc.

Kanye swallows, nodding, pulling himself to his feet. "We should take a listen then, huh?"

They go into the den, and Kanye slides the CD into the tray, presses play on the stereo, and sits down on the couch, his head in his hands, already wincing before he's heard the first note.

It's going to be bad. It's going to be awful, he knows. All that work, all Mike Dean and Jon Brion and Timbaland and Toomp have done, wasted, because Kanye doesn't have what it takes.

"Kanye."

He jerks his head up.

"Just. Give it a chance, okay?"

Kanye swallows and nods, and closes his eyes. He listens.

He tips his head and he listens, and before he knows it he's shaking, his face wet, and he's brushing at his eyes fiercely because he's not a fucking woman, okay? He's not.

But those are his words and his music and his voice - his - and it doesn't hurt. Doesn't hurt to hear it like he thought it would.

Something starts to loosen in his chest, and he smiles.

xpost Kid Deejster

wait, is Gavin really DK?

Don Knotts? He's dead, mang.

Why?

-- jaymc,

Dude sounds cuddly for once! Charming! Appropriate!

also why compare it to Coldplay in response to my question specifically comparing it to an earlier version of the same song?

I haven't heard the other song.

gavin is gavin mu3113r i think

sry someone can googleproof that if they want

narcissistic personality disorder is not the same as cock sure attitude.

kanye's "passion" leaves me indifferent

Mods please googleproof thx.

fwiw I was making a joke about gay fan fic about rappers, not implying that "Gavin" wasn't actually someone named Gavin

so now i've outed gavin mu311er's gay rapper fanfic fetish for no reason

Deej, you shoot some dirty pool.

But seriously let's talk about the album.

ok but please no more vivid scenarios about Kanye and A-Trak's idea of "dirty pool"

They didn't even kiss yet.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h62/freshcrunkjuice/03/01/curtis1.jpg
kanye, a-trak

Throughout the Kon The Louis Vuitton Don mix-tape Kanye West samples the part of “Lucifer” where Jay-Z gushes “Kanyeezy you did it again. You a genius nigga!” in a way that made me think about the Simpsons gag where Smithers turns on his computer to reveal screensaver of an unclothed, lascivious Mr. Burns cooing “You’re. Quite. Good. At.Turning.Me. On”.

Rabin OTM! that mixtape always kinda creeped me out for that reason.

This album is great!!

"Did you realize that you were a champion in their eyes?" "YES I DID."

Awesome!

snrub...ot...m?

As just-OK as this album is, it is still better than pretty much any rap record this year.

The only ones I would say that are arguably better are Hyphy Hits, UGK and Devin.

massive xpost

well i'm sure what Kanye's doing does appeal to some indie kids, but it probably turns off the hipster rap fan sect that REALLY WANTS to believe that the Clipse and Juelz really do deal.

-- Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 13 September 2007 17:52 (

I was shocked to find out that these hipster rap fans actually exist and aren't just straw men. Had a coworker that hated Kanye/"any and all rap for white people" cause "when I listen to rap I wanna hear about people gettin shot and sellin crack and stuff, you know?"

i think alex might be wrong on the whole, so many of those ridiculous reviews of clipse et al used the "ok so who knows if they REALLY deal cocaine, what is important is..." apologetic zzz. There is a fakeness and distance about the rapping that appeals bcuz its NOT so into authenticity ... it flagrantly disregards 'show don't tell,' the cool is purely surface level and like any good pomo hipsteur i doubt the 'truth' really enters into it for most.

My father is a police officer. I know crime sucks. But in the same way I want to hear him tell me stories about wiretaps and drug busts, I yearn to hear the other side from Raekwon the Chef and Kool G Rap. There’s something stirring and electric about the found sound approach hip-hop uses. It’s an abandonment of tradition in that most songs don’t use instrumentation, and verbal acrobatics are consistently on display. Raekwon may not know Raymond Chandler. He doesn’t have to. He’s already Phillip Marlowe.

as a ray chandler stan (i named my cat marlow ffs), ^ = mad rong

Hipster interest in rap is very on the wain now tho, thankfully. And I can enjoy my Devin album in peace without some glo-worm in a My Little Pony t-shirt and a "Yo! Willie!" Alf hat telling me how "crazy" it is.

The less I think about 2005, the better.

Snob!

Pitchfork gave it an 8.7

by my logic that anything over 8.4 on pitchfork must be a good album, this must be quite a good album.

i therefore bought it.

i must say, the first 6 songs are wonderful, but it does trail off towards the end.

Now way a 4 (that is fucking ridiculous) and it makes me quite sad that someone would let it be a 4 at Drowned in Sound.

very biased.
Shame people can't just put their preconcieved opinions behind them, and listen to the album.

it is actually pretty good, though it is obviously no petsounds etc etc etc whatever.

And I can enjoy my Devin album in peace without some glo-worm in a My Little Pony t-shirt and a "Yo! Willie!" Alf hat telling me how "crazy" it is.

http://popculturewilleatitself.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/gazoo.jpg
Is this the glo-worm in question?

thing is that devin album aint that enjoyable

http://nahright.com/news/2007/09/20/video-stronger-revisited/

and i STILL can't tell the difference between the album version and the single version. what kanye doesn't realize is that the snare is what's wrong with "stronger" more than the kick, but the first step in fixing his shitty drums is admitting he has a problem, i guess.

all hip hop is a 4

^I could watch hours of shit like that studio clip!

i fuck with this
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3019/screenhunter001am1.jpg

League Crew/Kanye West: Intro
Kanye West and 50 Cent: Flashing Lights (Mick Boogie Mix)
Kanye West and Nas: I Wonder (Terry Urban Mix)
Kanye West and Jay-Z: Never Let Me Down (9th Wonder Remix)
Kanye West and Jay-Z: Big Brother/Encore (live)
Kanye and Mos Def: Good Night
Kanye West: I Still Love Her
Kanye West: Stronger (Original Unreleased Verse)
Kanye and Nas: Major League (Mick Boogie Mix)
Kanye and Biggie: Kicks Open Doors (Terry Urban Mix)
Kanye West: A Million And One
Kanye West, Little Brother and Lil Wayne: Breakin My Heart (Mick Boogie Mix / produced by 9th Wonder)
Kanye West: Champion (live)
Kanye West and Jay-Z: Everything I am (Terry Urban Mix)
Kanye West: Freestyle
Kanye West and Common: Get Em High (A-Trak Remix)
Consequence and Kanye West: Complications (Mick Boogie Mix)
Kanye West and Ludacris: Breathe In (9th Wonder Remix)
Kanye West and Talib Kweli: The Bounce/Two Words (live)
Kanye West: Two Words (9th Wonder Remix)
Kanye, Dr. Dre and Busta Rhymes: Imagine 2008 (Terry Urban Remix)
Kanye West, Consequence, & Patti Labelle: Anything
Consequence and Kanye West: Skillz (Terry Urban Mix)
Kanye West and Common: Glory (Mick Boogie Remix)
Kanye West and Termanology: Everything (The Diddy Song)
Kanye West and Consequence: Dont Forget Em
Kanye West, Common and Lupe Fiasco: Southside (Terry Urban Remix)
Kanye West and Little Brother: Naaw (9th Wonder Bonus Track)

http://www.urbpage.com/mickboogie/music/MB_TU_Kanye_TheGraduate.zip

kanye's mom died:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/11/obit.west.ap/index.html

this seems like a surprise, since i thought she was kind of young. anyway, this is really sad since it was obvious that they were really close. thoughts are w/ kanye.

on a purely selfish level (i hope this isn't too soon), it will be very interesting to see where this takes him musically.

yeah, very sad, RIP

I'm sorry to hear this.

this is really sad.

jordan that's a fucked thing to say.

jordan that's a fucked thing to say.

Seconded, thirded and fourthed. What the hell, man.

RIP kanye's mom

ned you've never posted a news story about 300 iraqis getting blown up and reacted all "hmmm ... interesting to see how the NRO will react to this"?? ... i understand your reaction but i think we can cut jordan a teeny bit of slack here

Can I invoke Godwin's Law so we can all move on?

Jordan S. killed six million jews.

RIP

he hates the paparazzis even more than the nazis

-- da croupier, Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:29 PM (2 months ago)

jordan s. hierarchy = nazis, paparazzis, kanye's mom

i figured i might get some of this. it was one of the first things that sprang to mind only because of how personal his music is. i doubt anyone that considers themselves a fan of his music didn't have that come to mind very soon.

might even call you some sort of visionary hero.

http://i15.tinypic.com/82tp9ar.jpg

did that image not come through?

she died of complications from plastic surgery. fuck. what a tragic pointless thing.

i figured i might get some of this. it was one of the first things that sprang to mind only because of how personal his music is. i doubt anyone that considers themselves a fan of his music didn't have that come to mind very soon.

It occured to me too soon after finding out. I'm not proud of it, and I wasn't going to post it. But I'm surprised people are acting pious about it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7090287.stm

does anyone know how many ppl pure year die from complications related to plastic surgery? i'd have to imagine that the percentage is beyond miniscule. this is terrible.