PARIS HILTON - PARIS

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ALBUM OF THE YEAR.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

which other albums have you heard?

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hahahahahaha

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

Rod Stewart and UB40 = KINGS OF LEXPOP

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

If it's better than Back To Basics, I'll eat my copy of Back To Basics.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

seriously. every song is fantastic and should be a single. it pick'n'mixes happily from scott storch-produced crunk'n'b-lite bangers which sound like britney spears fronting the pussycat dolls, moody guitars which veer towards the clarkson/lohan/simpson jr axis (though never as angsty or melodramatic as any of them) and disco-pop which is comparable to prime 80s madonna (and that's not a compliment to give lightly). on one song she gets jadakiss and fat joe squabbling over to her before rolling her eyes and saying "welcome to paris!" pronounced the french way. the choruses to 'i want you' and 'nothing in this world' are incredible, explosive and boundless. 'screwed' is present and correct and sounding better than before and SURELY is the next single (i think it's competing with 'turn it up').

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

the 'do ya think i'm sexy' cover is the only non-essential track but still pulls off a miracle in making a hitherto appalling song more than tolerable. it's tucked on to the end of the album like an afterthought and everyone involved seems a bit embarrassed, apart from paris herself, who sings it with all the enthusiasm of the drunk girl doing karaoke to the bad song, not knowing or caring that her friends are backing away from her.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

I thought "having a laugh" was a bad thing in pop?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's completely different to back to basics which is also incredible, but they are a little incomparable!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

I knew what this thread contained before clicking on it.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

They are both albums.
x-post

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

themes: paris's twin fantasies of high school romance and the fairytale princess archetype

in the credits she thanks the guy who does her eyelashes with the words "you are a true artist and i am your barbie doll"

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

'jealousy' is about nicole richie. (written by kara dioguardi, last seen documenting both sides of the lindsay lohan/ashlee simpson bust-up.) paris isn't intentionally mean to her, she just feels sorry that a) nicole turned out to be mean herself and b) will still never be as hott as paris :(

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

Fairytale princess tend to have been in abject poverty beforehand though.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

If Cinderella had a trust fund, she'd probably not really have engaged the audience's empathy that much.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

What, like Lily Allen?

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

(She ate baked beans on toast once, y'know)

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

it is a really unashamedly light, plastic pop album, in an age when even the most obviously non-credible popstars constantly try to reassert their authenticity or autonomy. neither of these things are remotely important to paris - nevertheless she provides the beating, yearning heart of the album in a way that few others can.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

Will Esteban Buttez and the Indie Rock Whatevertheywerecalled be working with Ms Hilton in the near future?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

it is a really unashamedly light, plastic pop album, in an age when even the most obviously non-credible popstars constantly try to reassert their authenticity or autonomy. neither of these things are remotely important to paris - nevertheless she provides the beating, yearning heart of the album in a way that few others can.

...this is like a Marcello Carlin review of a Girls Aloud album, only a million fucking times worse.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Fairytale princess tend to have been in abject poverty beforehand though.

sleeping beauty, the princess in aladdin...

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

she looks immaculate in the inlay photos as well!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

is this the gay thread? is there a song about her dog on this? (i haven't read the thread yet). i have no interest in her otherwise. lex a friend of mine had lunch wiht her just TWO YEARS ago....and said she was stunningly gorgeous.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

why would i want to hear a woman in her twenties sing about being a fucking magical, sleeping beauty-like princess!?

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

why would i want to hear a woman in her twenties sing about being a fucking magical, sleeping beauty-like princess!?

she doesn't sing about it, she just acts like it. she sings about a) guys wanting her for her body ("i'm sexy and you know it - clap your hands!") and b) her wanting guys for true love

lex a friend of mine had lunch wiht her just TWO YEARS ago....and said she was stunningly gorgeous.

yeah, a friend of mine says her blue eyes are remarkably beautiful. (i think they're contact lenses, too!)

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

Susan does yr friend have eyes

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm into this. Who's on remix duty to take this sound underground?

rchinn (rchinn), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

i want remixes as well!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

Paris Hilton - Screwed (Epic Man vs MSTRKRFT one night stand remix)?

rchinn (rchinn), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

Paris Hilton - Turn it Up (Maurice Fulton iconoclastic edit)

rchinn (rchinn), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

Paris Hilton- D'Ya Think I'm Sexy (Mustapha Million Cartoon Arab Rescrub)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

'heartbeat', the ballad, is SO RIPE for jlc/booka shade/alan braxe to get their hands on

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

Paris Hilton- Love So Pure (Judith Keppel Trivia-Master Revamp)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

Paris Hilton- Aston-ishing (Randy Lerner Ellis-Out Takeover Blitz Remix)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Paris Hilton- The Time Is Here (Alan Sugar Hire The Attractive One It Makes Better TV Pointing Renovation)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'll stop now.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

easily fooled

rizzx (Rizz), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ok, more interesting trivia, Paris' middle name is shared with another eponynmous debut...

Did you know that Whitney Houston's debut LP, called simply Whitney Houston had 4 number one singles on it?

It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but "The Greatest Love of All" is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since, it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated on the album.

rchinn (rchinn), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

I thought her middle name was "Fucking" !

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

So THIS is the kind of music The Lex likes.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

lex a friend of mine had lunch wiht her just TWO YEARS ago....and said she was stunningly gorgeous.

The only thing Paris eats is penis. I mean, really, she's sickly thin.

That said, I really love the new single. It's plastic fantastic.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 17 August 2006 10:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

some awesome things I didn't mention earlier:

1) she opens the album with a little yelp of "yah! that's hott!"
2) 'NOT LEAVING WITHOUT YOU' is AMAZING. it starts off like k clarkson with a country twang, explodes into a glorious "we can dance! we can dance! we can dance!" chorus, features a TICK TOCK moment (surely mandatory now for every female popstrel to have one of these), and climaxes in a stomping conclusion plus RAP.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Paris Hilton - Screwed (Epic Man vs MSTRKRFT one night stand remix)"

Paris Hilton - Screwed (Chopped and ...)?

So, the Lex has me curious enough to download it, though that faux-reggae/No Doubt bullshit had me turned off and the single mix I heard of Screwed didn't exactly motivate me.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

i love 'stars are blind' but nothing else on the album is remotely like it, so much so that it seems a bit out of place.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's times like this that i think a communist regime isn't such a bad thing

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 August 2006 13:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

ILM-ists were going to like anything ever on principle it would be this but alas they do not. We do not. Nice try, Lex!

yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

She couldn't have less to say if she were plantlife. This album is beyond garbage. Case in point: "she opens the album with a little yelp of "yah! that's hott!"

Oh, that's been mentioned.

Richj (Rich), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

She doesn't actually sing, though, right? I mean really, there has to have been some "help" on that front. It doesn't quite sound like Paris Hilton. It might even sound like someone trying to imitate Paris Hilton. I mean, right?

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

Also, I tht the album was called Paris is Burning, I'm so disappointed it's not.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

nervous (cochere), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

havent heard it yet but i'm pretty excited

however, mcd otm regarding the title

nervous (cochere), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Can someone explain this? (Look at "Connected Groups" on sidebar.)

http://www.last.fm/music/MU/_/Paris+Hilton

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

Connected Groups
ilXor
Captain Beefheart

didn't you see my image post right there

nervous (cochere), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

I did yes but didn't realize it was already a big internet meme

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

THIS ALBUM IS VERY IMPORTANT

Jimmy Mod: THE HANDLESS ORGANIST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

In any case, ILX should be proud of being the first thing listed in association with Paris there.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure Paris really digs on Captain Beefheart.

paid in cigarettes (paid in cigarettes), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to hear her version of "Veteran's Day Poppy".

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Isn't there a Sugar Ray video/possibly song that looks/sounds very similar to "Stars are Blind"?

Tape Store (Tape Store), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Veteran's Day Poppy" would be a piece of cake for such a talented and versatile artist. I'd be more interested in her "Pena".

Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

I found it.
Compare and Contrast

Tape Store (Tape Store), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

Not much similarity.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's not that you have bad taste, The Lex. It's that you have no soul.

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

I've got it! Paris should cover "Hot Head".

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

THREAD OF THE YEAR

zeus (zeus), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

I just get bored about half-way through every song. Not such a problem, it seems like the album was built to be flipped through.

"Don't ask me for my number, cause my numbers undercover."

If only it weren't soulless. I've heard more emotion from household pets.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

so, better than the Beatles then?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

in what way could it not be soulless?

jed_ (jed), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

wow I remember when I first started posting here and all I cared about was 'soul' and 'authenticity' and stuff, and people slagged me for it, and I remembered that I loved 'ballroom blitz' and 'dance dance dance' too, and I started having a lot more fun and unfurrowing my brow, and my writing and life both got better.

now apparently things have changed and we have to go around being all beardy and sincere. WELL I WONT STAND FOR IT DAMMIT I WONT.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

I just don't understand why Lex would praise the album for its "unashamedly light, plastic" nature and then also single out Paris for providing its "beating, yearning heart" (keywords for "AUTHENTIC" if ever there were any). I mean, which one is it?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 August 2006 21:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

I don't need soul, or authenticity. Though they are both nice. It's just that the Paris album doesn't compell me. I don't find it interesting in the least. An album could be inauthentic, lack soul, etc, and still make me want to listen to it. I could just not have given it enough of a chance yet, but every song gets boring about one minute in. The first minute, you get the point, and then listening to the rest pays no dividends. It lacks propulsion - that's probably a better adjective than soulless. (Though it's definitely soulless too... could Paris sound like she cares less?)

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Friday, 18 August 2006 21:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

She should do an entire cover album of "Hot" songs:
Captain Beefheart "Hot Head"
Throbbing Gristle "Hot on the Heels of Love"
Cheap Trick "Hot Love"
Guided by Voices "Hot Freaks"
Robert Johnson "They're Red Hot"

help me out here...

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

Robert Johnson "They're Red Hot"

roffle

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

But what's going on in the Stars are Blind video? I saw it without sound in a nightclub and had to stop dancing and wet myself laughing. Which is a shame because I was making magic with the hottest girl there to Pump It. For somebody who can presumably no longer menstruate, she has the grace of a drunk giraffe. The lipsynch seems really strange too.

from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

The Frogs "Hot Cock Annie"

=[[ (eman), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

The Cure "Hot Hot Hot!"

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

(with 3 !!!s)

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

How could I forget Hot Cock Annie. Yes!

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Squarepusher "My Red Hot Car".

scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Captain Beefheart "Tropical Hot Dog Night".

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wilco - Hot Rod Hotel

from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hot Shot Tottenham, by the 1987 Spurs FA Cup final team

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hot Aftershave Bop by The Fall
Hot Dog by Park Attack
Hot Girz On Fire {Feat. K.C. Redd} by DJ Jubilee
Hot in Herre by Nelly
Hot Pot by Danse Asshole 4 of 6 2002
Hot Seat by Golden Palaminos
Hot Shot by Need New Body
Hot Stuff by Keith Hudson & Friends
Hot stuff by Polysics
Hot Sunny Day by Celly Cel / Kim Larson / Levitti / Marjuna Mitchell 10
Hot Thing by Prince

js (honestengine), Friday, 18 August 2006 23:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

While we're making requests, "Hot Hot Hot" by Buster Poindexter.

darin (darin), Saturday, 19 August 2006 07:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

Shit, yeah!

Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 19 August 2006 07:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lil' Wayne - Tha Block Is Hot

jergins (jergins), Saturday, 19 August 2006 07:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

heh i knew there was a Lil Wayne track that i was forgetting, but i kept thinking "Fireman"

that's hot

=[[ (eman), Saturday, 19 August 2006 15:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lex in being really fucking ghey? SHOCKER!

I actually get the impression I'd like this, but theres no way in hell I could bring myself to line that evil bitch's (and I mean that in the nicest way possible) pockets.

Score one for Rodney! (R. J. Greene), Monday, 21 August 2006 14:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

yeah, that was one of the things that made me put the cd back at the record store today and thinking I could download this instead... but Lex has sold it to me and I will make this evil bitch (who I really like) even richer pretty soon !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 21 August 2006 14:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

the best discussion so far on the album is on the teenpop thread (this has good stuff from me and a bunch of other people trying and failing to be funny)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 21 August 2006 14:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

I just don't understand why Lex would praise the album for its "unashamedly light, plastic" nature and then also single out Paris for providing its "beating, yearning heart" (keywords for "AUTHENTIC" if ever there were any). I mean, which one is it?

This is the problem with a lot of the Lex's writing about pop. He wants it to be accepted as Statement rather than just entertainment and applies a lot of quite rockist criteria to it.

I intend to listen to this album tonight, despite Stars Are Blind being one of the worst records I've heard this year.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 09:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

But surely that is pop i.e. Paris Hilton says she wants people to take her record as a statement and not just entertainment. Should he say 'silly Paris, I know better than her what is and isn't a statement'? Or try and make sense of that statement on its own terms. The trouble with you so-called poptimists is that you trivialise everything and reduce it all to 'entertainment'. Thom Yorke is 'entertainment' when he says bad things about nice Mr Blair and it gets reported in the culture industry; Paris is making a 'statement' when she releases a record. It's a statement which may end up entertaining people, and decadent sophisticates such as yourself who listen to it 'ironically': 'she doesn't really MEAN the statement, it's all a scam'.

alext (alext), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

also statements and entertainment are not mutually exclusive, even when only one is intended.

I just don't understand why Lex would praise the album for its "unashamedly light, plastic" nature and then also single out Paris for providing its "beating, yearning heart" (keywords for "AUTHENTIC" if ever there were any). I mean, which one is it?

both, really.

i don't know why a lot of the people who will freely admit to loving, i dunno, britney spears or kylie minogue on both a superficial look-at-those-beats-and-her-tits level AND a 'deeper' emotional level, find doing this with paris so hard. the point of poptimism surely being that both superficial appreciation and emotional appreciation can co-exist at the same time for the same record and both are equally valid.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

alex t really really otm as ever, of course.

i mean, duh, of course the paris hilton album is entertainment. she is who she is. and of course it's a statement as well, by virtue of its having these lyrics and having that music and having this artwork. this seems self-evident to me. i think it succeeds as both.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

she...is the statement?

-- (688), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

what is this 'reducing' to entertainment? surely being entertainment is 'better' than being a statement: statements are mediated, look-at-me-i'm-so-clever, one-sided, secondary-characteristic affairs, entertainment is so much more egalitarian. Of course this is ignoring the fact that making a statement can be entertainment, making entertainment can be a statement, nothing is pure, etc etc etc.

When it comes to Paris Hilton, I think, everyone is a "decadent sophisticate" - it's impossible to approach her without a fuckload of baggage, an already-formed opinion which isn't going to be much swayed one way or another, so the options are something like
a) be 'serious' about the paris hilton phenomenon and decry it for how plastic it is, ruining good name of pop etc etc (or alternately be someone who doesn't like commercial pop and sees paris as symptomatic of how commercial pop suxor), so whatever the content of the music you won't be liking it
b) be ironic or post-ironic and say "yes it is plastic and also wonderful" (whether you think it's wonderful because plastic, or despite plastic, or in addition to plastic)
I don't think the option 'be completely serious and like it' is actually available for anybody. (which kind of hurts me to say because I don't want to believe I ever like music ironically, so maybe I should say one likes it 'knowingly' instead). The statement is an indivisible part of the entertainment: if you react badly to the statement you're not going to get any entertainment out of the product (unless going 'i thought this was going to be shit and i don't like it! i win at predicting my own reactions!' counts as entertainment).

i really want to hear this.

stop moving. (cis), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

ilxor in liking paris a shitload cos no one else (sane) does shockah

tigertiger (tigertiger), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

I agree with Lex and Alex on this, though I haven't heard the album yet. I assume Lex meant that Paris's character/persona shines through really strongly on the album, she's not a guest in her own songs. Surely this is... if not a prerequisite for pop, then certainly a huge component in a lot of great pop music. It also has no necessary connection to an artist's authenticity. I mean, an artist may have a very strong persona because she writer her own lyrics and is quite autobiographical, but that's only one strategy for establishing a strong persona.

Actually i think paris is very silly and not too bright - i saw her being interviewed on a local music video show and it was just excruciating, you could see the wheels struggling to turn in her head as she mumbled the most inane answers to every question. She made Britney seem hyper-articulate.

But this is only an issue w/r/t to her music if I choose to incorporate it into my enjoyment of it (or lack thereof). I'll make that decision when I've heard the album - I like "Stars Are Blind".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

be 'serious' about the paris hilton phenomenon and decry it for how plastic it is, ruining good name of pop etc etc (or alternately be someone who doesn't like commercial pop and sees paris as symptomatic of how commercial pop suxor)

these are one and the same! all the pro-pop people decrying this are using exactly the same words as anti-pop people.

i don't think i'm being ironic in my love for it - these are genuinely fucking fantastic songs, whether that can be divorced from baggage in this case i don't know, but i do wonder how much my love of paris ANYWAY informs my love of her songs.

i will do you a cd cis.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

an artist may have a very strong persona because she writer her own lyrics and is quite autobiographical, but that's only one strategy for establishing a strong persona.

yes. i think paris's, er, simplicity really helps form the persona on the album: every song basically falls into one of three pretty basic categories - a) boys want to come and get me because i'm so hott, and i like it, but i'm not really into them, but i am really hott; b) underneath my superficial hottness i really really yearn for an ideal of Real Love that i have constructed in my head out of high school rom-coms and fairytale archetypes; c) nicole richie is mean.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

ha ha cis has caught me in the trap I set for matt!!

but I don't think you can assume that a statement HAS to claim to be more than mere entertainment (i.e. entertainment is full of statements, as much as it is full of things which don't claim to do anything other than 'be' (if this is possible)) so statements and entertainment are not necessarily compatible. I was complaining that matt's attack on lex implied that he wasn't allowed to take seriously paris's records as statements because they could *only* be entertainment (rather than *also* entertainment)

I like the idea that paris's baggage means we are all decadent sophisticates, but surely the baggage on paris is nowhere as bad as the baggage on Michael Jackson, say, and no-one sees him as not making statements, however crass and dull they are. When my brother bought a Sam Fox single aged 12 he knew she was a page 3 model (because my mother told him so in no uncertain terms to explain why she didn't like women like Sam Fox) but accepted this baggage -- does that mean he liked it knowingly?

i.e there is always mediation (first lesson in dialectics!) so yr initial opposition of statement to entertainment needs to be made in different terms (I take the difference to be one about ambition, statement says I am something else other than / as well as entertainment ). so-called 'poptimism' sometimes runs the risk of equating pop with spontaneity, but it would be more interesting to see pop as sophisticated i.e. statements, i.e. the things usually denied about it, despite the fact that the statements are really obviously all over it for everyone to see!

alext (alext), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

good illustration of the debates on this thread in the stylus review which I find very silly. basically, it says "the songs are good but I can't like the album because it's paris and she bought its quality with all her money so the album can't be good and I give it a C".
tsss...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

xposts

that'd be awesome, Lex, thank you!
"i do wonder how much my love of paris ANYWAY informs my love of her songs"
this is surely where pop lies! They can be fucking fantastic in their own right just like some anonyswede chart hit can be fucking fantastic in its own right, it's not the same as the kind of fucking-fantastic that they are because they're Paris Hilton songs off the Paris Hilton album, oh man, paris hilton made an album, that's so [insert adjective here].

no one else (sane) does

I don't think this is true! all the people who bought 'stars are blind'? they're not collectively insane, they have reasons, they must have truly liked it (for whatever mix of reasons, love of tune, love of paris-the-phenom, whatever else) else they wouldn't have bought it.

stop moving. (cis), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lex, I suspect I will like it for reason b - it's astonishing how little pop actually deals with the notion of Real Love head-on when you think about it.

To take this further, it's not merely about distinguishing between entertainment and meaning and placing pop on the side of entertainment, but also putting other music on the side of meaning! Which is unfair to other music.

I don't see the point of cordoning off pop with special rules that apply to it and not to other music - in fact if anything my point of disagreement with Lex would be that he ocassionally appears to make qualitative distinctions based on what-pop-is (or what-not-pop-is - e.g. indie music featuring boys and guitars, and worst of all boys with guitars) rather than what-pop-does. I'm not sure if he is actually doing this though, it's probably just an impression that some of his rhetorical devices create inadvertantly.

Alex is right here: the word I like to use rather than "statement" is "strategy", which I think is less loaded with conventional notions of "meaning" in art. All successful pop is the result of a strategy-for-success, and this is also the cause of its ocassional sense of spontaneity: sophisticated strategies in pop can be so successful that we don't see them coming. What appears to be simplicity is as much a design so sophisticated you can't see the joins.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

The older word for this might be 'style'?

alext (alext), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

Not sure - but then maybe I'm not sure of exactly how you're using "statement" Alex.

I guess the distinction i'd make is that one of the meanings of "style" is that it sort of exists for the purpose of identification - i.e. "I recognise this as a ballad".

Whereas for me "strategy" is about how music forces you to come up with new categories or notions in response, how it prevents you from merely saying "I recognise this as a ballad" and moving on indifferently. How it sneaks in some point of difference which might move Lex to paradoxically talk about the living, beating heart inside plastic pop. One of the implications of "strategy" is precisely that slightly Macchiavellian overtone of doing something in a way that can't be identified until it's too late and it's a fait accompli.

So "style" and "strategy" become two sides of the coin perhaps: familiarity versus surprise. Both of which are crucial to how we receive music.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

good lord the stylus review is terrible! quite apart from the obvious flaws, one of the things which REALLY REALLY bugs me is the astonishingly stupid, clichéd, snarky criticism (which has been applied to every female popstar making a song about sex ever) of "she's making sex noises on her record! but i'm not turned on! therefore they're not sexy!" - acting as if it should be some sort of aural masturbation aid. on 'turn you on', when paris makes those noises, they're brilliantly funny, cos it's abundantly clear that she's taking the piss out of everyone who IS turned on by her.

this is surely where pop lies! They can be fucking fantastic in their own right just like some anonyswede chart hit can be fucking fantastic in its own right, it's not the same as the kind of fucking-fantastic that they are because they're Paris Hilton songs off the Paris Hilton album, oh man, paris hilton made an album, that's so [insert adjective here].

YES!

Lex, I suspect I will like it for reason b - it's astonishing how little pop actually deals with the notion of Real Love head-on when you think about it.

yes, Reason B is my favourite reason as well - and this reason is particularly effective because of who Paris is, the gilded princess with everything who not only hasn't found Real Love but also has no idea what it is beyond a hotchpotch of childhood references (but her Real Love fantasy is also very alluring...)

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

x-post - this is a continuation from my previous post:

To prevent this from just being me hijacking this thread with random meanderings, my point here is that I agree that the danger of simple pop(tim)ism is the entrenchment of this notion of pop as simplicity/spontaneity/entertainment - and the problem with this notion is precisely that it unwittingly buys into notions of "manufactured pop" whereby people like a pop song just because it is the same as the last pop song they heard (pop fandom as consumption as brand loyalty).

The problem with this is not so much that it undersells pop, but more fundamentally that it's not how people actually engage with music - at least I don't think it is. I do believe that everyone likes music insofar as it slightly exceeds their expectations, and can't quite be explained simply by reference to their enjoyment of a prior song.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

Alex - I actually agree with Cis, and it was kind of what I was getting at in the first place. The Poptimist position is to elevate the entertainment value of the music above whatever statement of intent there may be.

Ie Thom Yorke's attack on Blair no matter how noble matters less if the music is viewed as tedious and dreary by the majority of listeners, even those predisposed to like it. Whereas this piece of fantastically eurphoric Serbian Eurobeat about a bear may mean nothing whatsoever if everyone agrees about its sonic aceness.

If the statement and the music are both there, brilliant. But no one other than the usual rockist grouches are making the argument that the Paris album is shite because its a plastic pop album, it's because it's a BAD plastic pop album, especially compared to Britney, Xtina, Rachel, GA, whoever. What I was criticising Lex for is his assertion elsewhere many times before that the actual music of Stars Are Blind is of secondary importance to What Paris Is Saying.

I may be approaching this from a skewed point of view because I am very good at just not noticing hugely prominent celebrities ie I had no idea who Nicole Richie was before about four months ago and cottoned onto Paris relatively late as well, so I disagree totally that its impossible to listen to the album without baggage. I'm 90% certain, for example, that my mum doesn't know who Paris Hilton is.

I'm not sure I like spontenaeity in pop really. I like it when an awful lot of work has gone into making something feel spontaneous, but that's a side issue.

Many xposts now .

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

"these are genuinely fucking fantastic songs"

all coat-trailing about urban sophisticates and ironists and entertainments and statements, soul and lack-of-soul apart, when it comes down to it, this is what it comes down to:

"i don't know why a lot of the people who will freely admit to loving, i dunno, britney spears or kylie minogue on both a superficial look-at-those-beats-and-her-tits level AND a 'deeper' emotional level, find doing this with paris so hard."

it's the songs, stupid!

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

I agree that the danger of simple pop(tim)ism is the entrenchment of this notion of pop as simplicity/spontaneity/entertainment - and the problem with this notion is precisely that it unwittingly buys into notions of "manufactured pop" whereby people like a pop song just because it is the same as the last pop song they heard (pop fandom as consumption as brand loyalty).

i agree, though i'd insert the word 'only' before 'simplicity/spontaneity/entertainment' - i don't think there's anything wrong with emphasising these aspects of pop, but i do think it's a mistake to emphasise them to the exclusion of anything beneath them. and it's a mistake that lots of sites, eg popjustice, make - it's the kind of thinking which leads to a very conservative defn of pop as "a proper tune which the milkman can whistle".

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

(hard to talk about what poptimism unwittingly buys into obv, but) poptimists can unwittingly buy into manufactured pop, but i don't know any who do. that there are manufactured pop bands that fail, or fail in a particular way, doesn't go un-noticed.

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

(sort of what matt was saying, i spose)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

But no one other than the usual rockist grouches are making the argument that the Paris album is shite because its a plastic pop album, it's because it's a BAD plastic pop album, especially compared to Britney, Xtina, Rachel, GA, whoever

it's the songs, stupid!

it's NOT a bad plastic pop album, and EVERYONE (except alex/tim/cis/myself) is criticising it purely because it's paris. it's a really fucking good album with really good songs which are made even better by the fact that it's paris singing them and that she gives them some sort of heart/meaning/statement.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lex I am not about to listen to you on the topic of conservative definitions of pop!

I think it's a bit sad that so many people upthread seem to find it impossible to believe that P Hilton can have put her name to a terrific, or even good, pop record.

When I read you talking about it though Lex the impression I get is of someone who was determined to like it before he heard it. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS before the carpers start - I *love* that feeling of "This is going to be the best record EVER" before I play something for the first time. It just means I don't necessarily trust you on it.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

the feeling of 'i just know i'm-a-gonna hate this' should not be underrated either, of course.

i don't hate 'stars are blind' but 'a fucking fantastic song'? really?

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

yeah Alext I realised as I was writing the second para of that post that I was contradicting the charmingly simple 'entertainment is primary/unmediated, statement secondary/mediated' claim, cos I don't honestly think there is such a thing as direct unmediated entertainment. bcz yes entertainment is full of statements and a lot of the time you're deriving your entertainment from the statements. There is this problem of mistaking the illusion of spontaneity for the real thing (again the preivileging of entertainment over statement, of pre-intellectual reaction over thought, which always assumes that instinctive reaction precedes intellectual understanding and is therefore superior) - maybe it's because when the statements are so bald, so obvious, you assume they can't intentionally be there (so stupid-it's-clever & so on).

I think the thing about the Paris Hilton baggage is that it's very simple and consistent - esp as opposed to the M Jackson baggage which can contradict and cancel itself (plus he was around before his bulkiest baggage came into existence, so if you want to wilfully ignore it that is, I think, more possible). It is more like the Sam Fox baggage, I guess, though I don't know that much about how her records played off her mythos (weren't they heavily sexualised? (the way that the 'stars are blind' is kind of shiny and listless and 'if you show me real love, baby, i'll show you mine' is really key, I think, it's like a comment on the paris-persona while also being a lovely dreamy pop song)).

stop moving. (cis), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

No we're not! I'm actually only criticising the one Paris record I've heard because it sounds like a bad UB40 cover and not because of my opinion of Paris as global media phenomenon. I don't really have one and that's not me being disingenuous, I don't have an opinion on, say, Lindsay Lohan or Coleen McLoughlin either.

(How long until the Coleen record comes out, btw? There must be one around the corner.)

Xpost - Tom OTM really. However I will freely admit to having a kneejerk reaction when the Tara Palmer-Tompkinson record comes out (which IS actually happening).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

[i]it's because it's a BAD plastic pop album, especially compared to Britney, Xtina, Rachel, GA, whoever[/i]

I agree.

Torgeir Hansen/MRZBW (MRZBW), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

When I read you talking about it though Lex the impression I get is of someone who was determined to like it before he heard it. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS before the carpers start - I *love* that feeling of "This is going to be the best record EVER" before I play something for the first time. It just means I don't necessarily trust you on it.

when i read back what i wrote it reads like someone who has thought that and is indescribably happy that he has been proved right!

(in my plan b singles column, i wrote that i expected it to be amazing in a very specific way, but i was genuinely shocked that it was emotionally compelling as well - i mean, 'stars are blind' was certainly not what i was expecting)

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

The main problem with Paris is that she has way too much control over the album, the average pop star wouldn't get anywhere near this level of creative control until their underperforming fifth album and their second divorce. If she'd have just handed the keys over to, I don't fucking know, Bloodshy and Avant or Scott Storch or some crazy cat like that, they could have done something with a little more life and energy in it, rather than Paris going "Oooh, I heard this great song on the radio the other day about a town in Kings... Kingsbury? Kings Langley? Kingson? I forget. We should totally do something like that" for 45 minutes.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

However I will freely admit to having a kneejerk reaction when the Tara Palmer-Tompkinson record comes out (which IS actually happening).

OMG

:D

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm approaching Paris from the position of kneejerk/instinctive dislike based on TV/quotes, so the single was a relatively pleasant surprise because it's just NOT unpleasant to listen to imo, if anything TOO pleasant, 'nauseatingly sweet' or whatever (and keeps reminding me of Atomic Kitten's 'Tide Is High' cover), but has this innocence even charm somehow. Plus I just didn't expect it to sound like it does (as many have noted) and this ability to confound expectations is always appreciated (see also new Robbie single although that's actually harder to listen to than 'Stars Are Blind' for me).

Worth noting because unlike The Lex, I didn't want to like/love Paris as pop star (or anything really).

I'm actually only criticising the one Paris record I've heard because it sounds like a bad UB40 cover

what makes it so bad exactly? inauthenticity? should it be 'stronger' in sound even tho this wouldn't be a true reflection of PH's personality (supposedly - she's playing up to a girly stereotype perhaps, but not necess. a bad thing)? this UB40 comparison seems pretty lazy.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

nobody's discounting baggage in ppls approach to music are they? (prejudice is sometime an important thing after all - most agree with this right?). the day that the stereophonics put out a fantastic pop record will be the day we test poptimists prejudice. HANG on a minute...

;-)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's only "lazy" because it's so obvious, surely? If Britney's comeback single sounded like the Style Council or Level 42 or something, people would make exactly the same comments.

xp

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

I never thought I'd hear a voice that made Kylie, let alone J. Lo, sound soulful or authoritative. I suppose that's something, right? Not something good, of course, but something. Way to go, Paris.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

many xxx-posts.

Tim -- 'style' = my term of the moment for thinking about things, makes slightly more sense with literature than music so I should have kept it to myself really. I think I agree with everything else you're saying.

Matt -- if poptimism means elevating the entertainment value of something above everything else, then I have no interest in it at all! Surely the correct name for this is 'hedonism' or possibly 'decadence'.

Bashment -- 'it's the songs stupids'. Julia Lennon principle -- where does the song start / stop? It's never 'just' a song.

Of course I haven't heard the Paris album, it may be drivel for all I know.

alext (alext), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

i rate 'stars are blind' higher than matt but it's no better than lily allen, who lex mysteriously hates.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

Sam Fox's records were pretty 'sexualised', yeah. Actually the reception was very much the same - SF announces she will make record, critics go O NOES, she makes single, it does well, critics make cheap jokes, she makes some more and then everyone forgets about them/her (Paris may well avoid this last bit, I dunno).

I personally do not rate Sam Fox's singles that much - "Touch Me" is OK but she's no Sabrina.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

I think the thing about the Paris Hilton baggage is that it's very simple and consistent - esp as opposed to the M Jackson baggage which can contradict and cancel itself

Yes, Paris didn't 'fall from grace' as it were. In many people's minds she started from zero/with nothing and her rep could only improve as a result. It's now v difficult to see how I could dislike her/idea of her more or as much as I did when The Simple Life first started showing now that she's made a pop album this is not bad (even if it's not in same league as Xtina or whoever), which seems like a good thing.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

Julia Lennon principle -- where does the song start / stop? It's never 'just' a song.

well indeed, but when you're paris hilton you surely have to work *double* hard to get the song right because you have nothing else going for you.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

"(hard to talk about what poptimism unwittingly buys into obv, but) poptimists can unwittingly buy into manufactured pop, but i don't know any who do. that there are manufactured pop bands that fail, or fail in a particular way, doesn't go un-noticed. "

This isn't quite what i was saying though alan - I was saying that poptimism (in the sense of a style of talking/writing about music) can unwittingly buy into the same characterisation of pop as rockist decriers of "manufactured pop" use. In other words, I think it's a rhetorical failure to say "yes, it's nothing but entertainment, and that is why it is great!"

As much as it would be to say, "no, no, it's not just entertainment, it's filled up with meaning just like yr much vaunted rock!" Which is (I think) what Matt was accusing Lex of doing.

I tend to self-identify as a popist/poptimist though - I don't think these tendencies are fatal.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

this piece of fantastically euphoric Serbian Eurobeat about a bear

Where can I hear this record? Is the bear being mistreated?

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

I do think it is a shame that she is so uninspiring in person - it would be nice, and, I think, chime nicely with her music perhaps, if it was more a case of her being misunderstood by the media. Unfortunately there is very little there to misunderstand.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

well indeed, but when you're paris hilton you surely have to work *double* hard to get the song right because you have nothing else going for you.

this is a point i don't really get. why is paris hilton's sleb persona so repulsive? i don't see it as any 'worse' than britney, or j-lo, or kylie, all of whom get approval from poptimists. if anything the ludicrous nature of p hilton's fame makes her a BETTER candidate to be a popstar.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

re. "Poptimism" and entertainment.

The first question I ask when I hear some music is "does this entertain me?". Obviously this isn't the only question I ask, and it may end up not being the most important.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lex you're being either vague or wrong citing "poptimists" - everyone here who I could imagine self-identifying as one either likes the record, or doesnt like it but seems to think it would have been nice were things otherwise.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

I do think it is a shame that she is so uninspiring in person - it would be nice, and, I think, chime nicely with her music perhaps, if it was more a case of her being misunderstood by the media.

haha there was a v sympathetic interview in the guardian about a month ago which made exactly this case. i guess it is easier to present someone as sentient in print. but it's not paris's person we care about, right? it's her persona which can include anything we choose to project on to her.

critics go O NOES

ironically, the actual critics in the uk have pretty much all given the album middling-to-good reviews, in a "haha these songs are actually ok despite her" way.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

I do think it is a shame that she is so uninspiring in person - it would be nice, and, I think, chime nicely with her music perhaps, if it was more a case of her being misunderstood by the media. Unfortunately there is very little there to misunderstand.

She is an 80s pop star, with 80s-sounding songs!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

I cannot BELIEVE its taken this long for someone to mention Robbie Williams here because suddenly it makes perfect sense. Because Robbie's early records in particular are all about the way in which the listeners of the time related to his baggage and the problems of juggling being a Serious Artist (ie not in Take That) and being An Entertainer.

Curiously, Robbie is one of the few Very Famous Indeed popstars who most Poptimists (including the Lex) are ambivalent or outright hostile to.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like Robbie. There is certainly an easy argument to run as to why he's a BAD THING, but my heart's not in it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 13:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

"The first question I ask when I hear some music is "does this entertain me?". Obviously this isn't the only question I ask, and it may end up not being the most important."

Tom, isn't this question - even by itself - a bit more complex than it appears though? Or rather, it's a simple question which is referring to an operation whcih may not be simple. Needless to say, I don't think pop records which are entertaining are entertaining in the same way.

I mean, I'd even be prepared to accept that "does this entertain me?" is the only question we need to ask about any music, but then I'd define "entertain" so broadly that you could fit half the world of pop music criticism inside that one question.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 13:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

multiple xposts, poxyfulage, etc:
the UB40 comparison kind of confused me, cos I never knew UB40 covered 'kingston town', so I was like 'yes, UB40 made smoothed-edges cod-reggae, so is 'stars are blind', that's not actually very illuminating?'

I think it's a rhetorical failure to say "yes, it's nothing but entertainment, and that is why it is great!"
YES.

Isn't the Robbie problem also in the gravitas of his Big Singles? I think he occupies a similar position for ze poptimists as do, e.g, Coldplay/Keane, this thing which sonically isn't pop (owing more to 'guitar music' or wvs) but is popular. But, yeah, Robbie's early career is really interesting in terms of self-positioning - from Freedom's "take back your singing in the rain" male-artist-goes-solo-as-George-Michael onward.

stop moving. (cis), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 15:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

I mean, I'd even be prepared to accept that "does this entertain me?" is the only question we need to ask about any music, but then I'd define "entertain" so broadly that you could fit half the world of pop music criticism inside that one question.

Yes sorry that was sort of what I was trying to imply - the second question might be "how?" and the third "why?" for instance.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 16:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

i heard that one song, the stars one, it's pretty forgettable and 'meh'. and i don't know how anyone could actually like paris!

gear (gear), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 17:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

this is a point i don't really get. why is paris hilton's sleb persona so repulsive? i don't see it as any 'worse' than britney, or j-lo, or kylie, all of whom get approval from poptimists. if anything the ludicrous nature of p hilton's fame makes her a BETTER candidate to be a popstar.

The more I think about it, the more a lot of the kneejerk criticism (mostly from the mainstream press, not message board debate) is there's a sense that Paris for some reason isn't ALLOWED to be a pop star. In the UK market the Paris album is broadly aimed at (the Heat magazine demographic, to crassly put it), she's (ahem) screwed by two big things:

1. An established tradition of laughing at Paris (as Tom's pointed out elsewhere), from bad dresses to what happens when she tries to work on a farm on TV.

2. A general suspicion of presenters, actresses or other media personalities who turn their hand to releasing records. This goes right back to the 80s Aussie soap stars and only Kylie has really been allowed to transcend that (even J-Lo's still viewed with some suspicion). Mind you some Proper Pop Stars suffer from this as well, Rachel Stevens' album was fantastic and yet her Lads Mag persona was so offputting to its market that it scuppered sales. The exact same record given to Kylie would've been hailed as a classic.

Whereas the biggest pop stars (Britney, Madge, Xtina, Robbie) succeed because they ARE pop, it's not merely something to fill in the gaps between photo shoots. Likewise the moral disapproval side is maybe overplayed - R Kelly fucking underage girls didn't prevent Ignition from being a massive hit.

This is a totally rockist viewpoint to take but I reckon its pretty widespread outside the realm of interweb debates.

(I've now listened to Screwed and Nothing In This World - they're not outright awful and there's the basis of a good tune in both of them but the execution is poor. Melodically they lurch around uncomfortably and both the performance and the production are a bit limp and don't really take off).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 18:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

In other words, the pop audience wants their popstars to at least come into their world with some mystique. Britney appeared as a fully formed pop star with a clutch of great singles and was only later that the whole soap opera took the gloss of that.

If we'd been following the last couple of years of Skanky Ho Britney without her ever having released a record, she'd be considerably less favourably viewed even if the debut single was as amazing as Baby One More Time multiplied by Toxic.

Or, to magnify the point, imagine how it'd be perceived if Jade Goody released an album tomorrow?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 18:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's abundantly clear that she's taking the piss out of everyone who IS turned on by her.

dude, someone who proclaims she's in the same line as marilyn monroe and madonna has a few loose screws in her head. that's saying if she HAS any. she does take herself seriously and does really consider herself to be the shit (or hott). i think this is the main reason why i won't be able to enjoy the record, i have a pre-established notion of her being as self-absorbed. still i should give it a try...

In other words, the pop audience wants their popstars to at least come into their world with some mystique.

The more you know about a (pop) artist, the less you can be entertained. There's too much information, too much knowledge, so you can't build a dream, can't mirror yourself on the artist.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 18:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

yes but matt those answers would explain why the record-buying public at large despise paris, and i understand both points (though it seems that the record-buying public and non-internet people have in fact taken mildly to paris judging from the charts). the people i think are being snobs in their "ooh i'm repulsed by her" thing are precisely the interweb communities who are well versed in rockism/popism debates!

nathalie: i think " a few screws loose", "thinks she's hott" and "self-absorbed" as all v good qualities in a popstar.

The more you know about a (pop) artist, the less you can be entertained. There's too much information, too much knowledge, so you can't build a dream, can't mirror yourself on the artist.

i find this interesting - so for all the focus on people not taking paris seriously because she's fake...this makes more sense, not taking her seriously because her life is so public that we think we know what she's like already - and we think she's too dumb to get in character for a song, so essentially we are saying that paris hilton the popstar is too REAL!

this i understand. i find all the lyrics which double as both lovely dreamy romance words and comments on Paris The Celebrity cute, but we know how badly meta plays with many people, so...yeah, when she sings something like "since i'm already screwed" or "if you show me real love baby i'll show you mine" that could be TOO MUCH of what we perceive to be the 'real' paris impinging on the song.

in fact i did say on poptimists that i felt there was too much conflating of paris-the-persona and paris-the-person going on - and this interview reveals that curiously, paris herself has a good grip on the situation.

Hilton says the baby voice she uses on the reality TV show "The Simple Life" is an act.

"I'm always playing a character," she says. "I don't talk like this really -- like a baby. I don't act like myself in public, because I don't really want to show everyone the real me. Because I have no privacy whatsoever, the only thing I have is who I really am."

that's a really good quote actually.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

HAHA the losers on the plan b forum are going nuts cos my review* is on the plan b front page!

*not v good or detailed as originally intended to be capsule review in the print mag until i missed the deadline, idiot me

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

nathalie: i think " a few screws loose", "thinks she's hott" and "self-absorbed" as all v good qualities in a popstar.

Very true. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

The Robbie comparison is quite useful and interesting (talked about it on LJ already tho ha ha). If anything it made me question whether I'm actually giving Paris too easy a time BECAUSE she's a woman in pop (whereas I give Robbie a hard time because of boring male/ego thing plus his ubiquity here and the general quality of his stuff, often plodding MOR with corny lyrics - 'Rudebox' is supposed to counter this and reflect Robbie's actually quite decent taste in pop (I'm using his iTunes sleb playlist as evidence :/) but ends up almost as annoying for certain reasons - tho it is odd that I seem to disapprove every time Robbie 'experiments' e.g. falsetto on 'Trippin' as if I made my mind up long ago he was never going to do anything really good and this may be unfair).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

The forthcoming Robbie album is a gazillion times better than this celeb memento.

I said in my Uncut review that reason people are fascinated by Paris isn't her hottness - which the record is obsessed with - but her wealth. The record could have been fantastic if the writers had the wit to completely up the bling ante - Madonna meets Marie Antoinette meets Grace Kelly - that's where Paris stands out. By trying to focus on her supposed sexxiness, the record was always bound to fail.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

She does look really really pretty and enthusiastic in that photo that Lex keeps posting of her looking at the Mu "Paris Hilton" record. I don't know if that's 'hot' exactly but every time I see it I feel more kindly towards her.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

The forthcoming Robbie album is a gazillion times better than this celeb memento.

I'm disappointed the PSBs would sooner produce for him than her (esp. given their fine pedigree working with female vocalists...Kensit and even Minelli not being that much of a step up from Hilton really!)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

:D

I said in my Uncut review that reason people are fascinated by Paris isn't her hottness - which the record is obsessed with - but her wealth. The record could have been fantastic if the writers had the wit to completely up the bling ante - Madonna meets Marie Antoinette meets Grace Kelly - that's where Paris stands out. By trying to focus on her supposed sexxiness, the record was always bound to fail.

i agree that this would have been a really interesting avenue to pursue - i would have loved it - but i think the general public would have been v turned off by it. but the record doesn't really focus on her sexxiness - sure there are those three songs about turning people on, boys fighting over her &c but the bulk of the album is all about how much she wants to be loved and associated Real Love fantasies.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

If Britney's comeback single sounded like the Style Council or Level 42 or something, people would make exactly the same comments.

Unless it sounded like Confessions of a Pop Group, which it totally should.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine
As everybody knows, Paris Hilton is famous simply for existing. Even before she was a household name the heiress to the Hilton hotel fortune was famous in certain circles, partially because of her pedigree, partially because she was at every exclusive party, partially because of her very name, an instantly memorable and malleable moniker that spawned T-shirts ("Paris Hilton Is Burning") and gossip websites alike (perezhilton, naturally). All this hipster activity was bound to spill over into the mainstream and it did in a spectacular fashion in 2003 when she and Nicole Richie — her best friend for life circa 2003 — starred in the reality series The Simple Life, which saw the two pampered socialites attempting to fit into the real world of Wal-Marts and roadhouse saloons. Just before the series hit the airwaves, a sex tape of Paris with her ex-boyfriend Rick Solomon was leaked to the internet and the resulting media hoopla of the show and the porn made Paris a bona fide celebrity. Pretty soon, she was everywhere and she began dabbling in almost every part of the entertainment industry, from film to fashion. What all these projects had in common is that they all featured Paris as Paris — even when she was getting whacked in House of Wax, she wasn't really playing a character — and in all of them her presence never matched her persona, which always was more compelling as seen through the prism of tabloids. She seemed destined to never deliver any project that would justify her fame, and it certainly seemed that the album that she spent two years recording would not be the project that would be a flat-out success — that prolonged gestation for a pop album nearly guarantees trouble of some kind.

Amazingly, that long-to-materialize album (it's hard to call it highly anticipated) turns out to be shockingly good — and not just according to a grading curve for actors-turned-singers. After all, Paris was never an actress to begin with; she was a media creation who peddled the same image to a number of different formats, and it just so happens that her sexy, spoiled, shallow act is perfectly suited for bubblegum pop. Of course, it helps that she has a crack team of professionals supporting her on Paris, chief among them songwriter Kara DioGuardi and producer/co-writer Scott Storch, who is name-dropped on the first song "Turn It Up," and leaves a heavy imprint on the rest of the record producing just over half of it and serving as one of the executive producers along with Tom Whalley and Paris herself. They come up with a sound that's casually modern and retro with enough heft in its rhythms to sound good at clubs, yet it's designed to be heard outdoors on the sunniest day of the summer. This is exceedingly light music, as sweet and bubbly as a wine spritzer, yet it isn't so frothy that it floats away. Like the best lightweight pop, Paris retains its sense of fun through repeated listens, long past the point that the novelty of Paris Hilton releasing a good album has worn off. Make no mistake, Paris is a very good pop album, at times deliberately reminiscent of Blondie, Madonna, and Gwen Stefani, yet having its own distinct character — namely, Paris' persona, which is shamelessly shallow and devoid of any depth. Where that might be irritating within a movie or within pop culture at large, when placed in a shiny, hooky dance-pop album it works splendidly, particularly because the songs are strong and Storch and company know how to keep things light — and everybody involved knows that it's fun to play around with Paris' image, no matter if it's her murmuring "that's hot" at the beginning of the record or covering Rod Stewart's "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy," or writing about her feud with Nicole Ritchie on the delightful "Jealousy." But for as much as Paris is about Paris, she doesn't necessarily stand out here; her voice — which is almost certainly auto-tuned and tweaked by a computer, yet it's nevertheless appealing, more so than Britney Spears' often awkward squawk — may blend into the production, yet that actually helps the recordings since it emphasizes the melodies above everything else. And there are some irresistible melodies here: the breezy "Stars Are Blind," the gilded rush of "I Want You" driven by a "Grease" sample, the sweet "Time After Time" rewrite "Heartbeat," and the great power pop of "Screwed," for starters.

Yes, there is no denying that this is a pure piece of product, but it is indeed pure as product. Paris makes no apologies for being mass-market pop, but everybody involved made sure that this was well-constructed mass-market pop. It may not bear the mark of an auteur the way Christina Aguilera's Back to Basics does, but it never feels tossed-off, and track-for-track it's more fun than anything released by Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson, and a lot fresher, too. It's easy to hate Paris Hilton — lord knows that she and her friends like Brandon Davis are walking advertisements against the repeal of the estate tax — but any pop fan who listens to Paris with an open mind will find that it's nothing but fun.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

and stephen thomas erlewine doesn't like anything

gear (gear), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

Photoshop alert.

Scourage (Haberdager), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

You can't hear the Mangum influence on her record?

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'd bloody like to see her cover something like 'Holland 1945'. Nah, 'Ghost'. THAT would impress me.

Scourage (Haberdager), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'll bet she'd do a mean "Oh Comely!"

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

Except the cry of 'Oh, SHIT' at the end would have a slightly different thrust.

Scourage (Haberdager), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

her voice — which is almost certainly auto-tuned and tweaked by a computer

Almost certainly!

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 06:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

Photoshop alert.

YA DONT SAY!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 06:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

i think " a few screws loose", "thinks she's hott" and "self-absorbed" as all v good qualities in a popstar.

why?

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 07:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

oh fuck it i see that there's been commentary enough on livejournal (including zenith's usual i hate ilx rant).

lex's rhetoric on this one has just been 'everything you think is bad, is actually good'. but the strongest assertions -- that the songwriting is top-hole, that paris's soul comes through blah-blah-rockist-blah, that she has a great popstar persona -- are just bollocks.

i don't see how the thematic breakdown ('her songs are about the search for Real Love!!' yeah and?) helps matters.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 07:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'm just... disappointed! by some big old fat lies in the lex's review. scott storch is not 'the best money can buy'. the statement "At a time when a perception of authenticity is necessary for both critical and commercial success" is untrue (look at the pussycat dolls), or just irrelevant -- 'paris' stands or falls apart from whatever the critical orthodoxy is. there's no need to lie, really; plenty of good music has been made by poor singers, so there's no pressing need to claim that paris's voice is up to snuff, when it isn't.

being taken up with prom queen/princess cliches deep in your twenties is also not especially endearing.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

The video on her You Tube channel is nice.

rchinn (rchinn), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 21:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

There are a few good songs on "Paris", I like it more than "Back To Basics". Xtina is clearly a better singer, but nobody has written a decent song for her so far (or I just fuckin' hate R&B), so I go for Paris, but neither of the two albums will be in my top 20 at the end of the year, that's for sure.
Moreover, some of the songs are good, not the "beating, yearning heart" of it.

zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 22:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure.

darin (darin), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 22:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Stars Are Blind" is a bland song sung poorly; there is nothing there for me to latch onto. I don't really have any interest in hearing the album (and I was kind of amazed you guys generated 170+ posts on it until I clicked on the thread, ha).

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 23:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

the whole fucking album is bland. The only way the album is tolerable is if you lower your expectations to the floor, so that you can then be surprised when she doesn't step on her dick with every track.

But it's way easier to be cynical and notice that everything about her vocal work is completely undistinguishable. She hired a hitmaker so she sounds like the rest of Storch's resume. B.F.D. I hear crap like this and kneel down at the altar of rockism with complete confidence.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 23:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

have you noticed that the review of her album on stylus has disappeared ? weird... any explanation for that, huh ?
(I must confess I haven't bought it yet...)

AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

TS: 'Stars Are Blind' vs No Doubt's 'Underneath It All'

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

No Doubt in a landslide! Mentalist.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was a good song to bring up/compare with 'Stars Are Blind' at this point, cos I had this inkling that 'Underneath It All' was more popular at it's time even tho it shares qualities with 'Stars Are Blind' (cod-reggae, sung by blonde girl with a voice that really pisses some people off if perhaps not actually 'bland'). It probably is better, but not by that much imo.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure.

but the point is that it IS paris hilton. it's a pop song so the person matters as much as the song itself!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's also totally not what people really expected her single to sound like (well I didn't at least). Whether that indicates that it would've got played regardless of what it had sounded like or whether it's getting played despite defying expectations somewhat I'm not sure.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

"If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure."
but the point is that it IS paris hilton. it's a pop song so the person matters as much as the song itself!

-- Nathalie (stevi...), August 24th, 2006.

well yes. and it's paris hilton. so the hateful non-singing minor celebrity matters almost as much as the unobjectionable-but-hardly-outstanding lite-reggae track. fan-bloody-tastic.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure.

well similar songs got airplay when the name No Doubt was attached to them!

so the hateful non-singing minor celebrity

why is she hateful? i don't understand why paris hilton provokes so much ire compared with, oh, any other given popstar/entertainment sleb who get, if not admired, then not reviled.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Stars Are Blind" is good but "Underneath It All" is much better - for Lady Saw alone!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

she is famous for being very rich, giving someone a blowjob, and despising poor people. if this doesn't condemn her in your view, neither does it mean that there's any reason to admire her.

xpost

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

You missed out the racism, and reneging on a promise to do a charity event for starving children because "I haven't got enough time".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

being rich and giving blowjobs are fine by me! i do the latter and would like to be the former.

despising poor people - i refer you to paris's own quote upthread re "the real me"

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

You went to private school, you already are "rich".

There's also a private school/blowjob gag here but I can't be bothered to make it.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

here is a sensible person:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1572890,00.html

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Er Lex I don't think she can explain despising poor people as being part of her media mask.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

Jawbreaker “Fireman”

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

lex she is *famous for* those things, is the point. not for, you know, being talented or otherwise heroic.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

as for 'the real me' -- this is a very straightforward notion of identity from one of ilx's top contrarians.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

dom you really have a v reductive and inaccurate perspective on the uk class system for someone who spends most of their time going on and on ad nauseam about it

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

and the whole issue of whether paris is a good or intelligent person is the biggest red herring ever given some of the other people who get ilm approval!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

Why argue the point that she's a good person then?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

um, i haven't.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Why is she hateful? Not that it matters, total red herring."

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

Seriously Lex, she's not going to fuck you or loan you anything. You can let go.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

not hateful != likable

the things she does are no more morally dubious than what, i dunno, jessica simpson or mariah carey or j-lo or britney have been said to have done - so i don't understand why people who aren't repulsed by them are repulsed by paris. it doesn't mean any of them are nice AND I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BE

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hahahahahaha!

"I don't see why people loathe her and they don't loathe (list of pop starlets that people often say they loathe)!"

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

right, everyone is being deliberately fucking obtuse on this thread and i don't have the time for it. i'm going to go and continue to laugh from afar at the more amusing plan b forum thread.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

(Speaking of which, what has Mariah done besides working herself into a coma and being crazy? I'm genuinely curious.)

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

I think Lex has a fetish for ridiculous female pop stars who make songs that he can against all the odds take seriously. The more you all insult Paris the more he will dig his heels in. I recognise this trait because myself and some of my IRL friends share it, to a certain extent.

I wonder if Lex is pooh-poohing Britney because she has been partially rehabilitated ("you know, "Toxic" is a really great song!).

Dan, Mariah didn't do stairs.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's also totally not what people really expected her single to sound like

I think this is an important point - when those false-leaks were going around there seemed to be a lot of excitement over that Sweetbox song, "human sacrifice", which is strong/brash/angry (vulgar?), one set of paris-attributes; instead we ended up with this insipid, sweet, languid thing, which also fits the 'paris' image but from a completely different direction.

stop moving. (cis), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's true that lex's review crashed the lollercopter right into the heart of plan b's idiot forums.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

apparently the video has been banned in India.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

rockists.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

Racists, morelike.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

The wretchedness of the Plan B forum makes me want to go back in time and become a school bully

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

i've written for it and everything but what do you expect? it's the indie-est zine out there!

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

The wretchedness of the Plan B forum makes me want to go back in time and become a school bully

haha otm.

what i find sad is that plan b didn't have to be so indie, and it never set out to be (ffs KELIS was the planned cover star for issue 1, and only got pulled because she doesn't do photoshoots), but bejesus the demographic it appeals to now is beyond words.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

the forum is quite something. next time someone complains about strawman arguments here they should take a peek -- people who really say things like "i hate rap music, except for 'hey ya!'".

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

ages and ages ago there was a thread on estelle, and some of the responses were ACTUALLY "urgh i can't stand those rappers who don't speak properly"!!!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

but Eamon DID suck!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

frankee didn't though.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

manhataz r us

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

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bad hair day house (fandango), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

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bad hair day house (fandango), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

here is a sensible person:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1572890,00.html

Is this sarcasm? I didn't read a single sensible sentence in that whole article.

nameom (nameom), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

lmaooooooo @ ^^^ hehehe sometimes i hate the observer lol most of the times its great :D

Rudy Katoch (rudykatoch), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like the album from start to finish, though it does blah out somewhat on the final three tracks. In relation to its musical neighborhood it beats the recent Pink and the Platinum Weird, and at least is more consistent than and probably beats the Veronicas. It doesn't beat last year's Lohans or last year's Duff but is more consistent than those three, as well. (And doesn't come close to the Kelly Clarkson, which itself doesn't come close to the Ashlee albums, but let's not go off on a tangent here. The Aly & AJ is still a subject for further evaluation; haven't heard the Chris Brown; and 'cause Storch is producing, am for once curious about the new Janet Jackson though I've always found her music disengagingly blasé.) Curiously, given the way the discussion on this thread has gone, my feelings towards the Paris album aren't directed towards the singer as a persona/personality, just as my feelings towards t.A.T.u. aren't directed towards those two Russian girls and my feelings towards Boney M aren't directed towards Liz Mitchell. And I love t.A.T.u. and Boney M. Oddly enough, though I am moved incredibly by Diana Ross songs such as "Love Hangover" and "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" and "Swept Away," once again I'm not focusing those feelings on a personality or persona. This doesn't mean that I think Ross et al. have no input into their music, or that I don't hear a human voice in their singing, of for that matter that I don't have feelings and opinions about Ross et al. from what I know of their personalities/personas. Just that the feelings engendered by the music don't take the form of feelings towards a personality. (And of course this is very much the opposite of what goes on with me in regard to Ashlee, Kelly, and Lindsay. And damned if I know where I am with Hilary. She's a cipher, but that doesn't mean that my feelings aren't in search of some sort of personality there.)

I can't say that I've a good idea why in some instances I hear a personality to take in my feelings and in others I don't.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

(Does anyone have a song-by-song producers list for the album? Allmusic.com specifies songwriters but not producers.)

Stephen Thomas Erlewine:

They come up with a sound that's casually modern and retro with enough heft in its rhythms to sound good at clubs, yet it's designed to be heard outdoors on the sunniest day of the summer. This is exceedingly light music, as sweet and bubbly as a wine spritzer, yet it isn't so frothy that it floats away.

Erlewine is a frog on a bump on a log, and I often think he's wrong, but he's a good critic, because he's willing to be surprised by albums and because he tries to be as articulate as possible about why he likes or dislikes something. In any event, I don't hear Paris the way Erlewine does. It's "light" in the sense of being unassuming and not coming across as trying to communicate anything weighty. But the actual sound is rather thick, layers of overdubbed vocals finding their way to choruses that often enough contain guitar chord upon guitar chord, the dense beauty of the vocals buried headfirst in the guitar thicket. The consistency I spoke of isn't just quality but timbre, different producers using the same strategies (maybe following Hilton's instruction). I don't know another album that has quite this sound. Paris's voice is itself unifying, something of a fuzzy uninflected hum from back in the throat. Compare the Gottwald-written "Nothing In This World" to the Veronicas' Gottwald-written "Everything I'm Not." On "Everything" the singers are up there in the bright high pitch, working you over with ingratiating come-hither/fuck-off vocals. Whereas in "Nothing"'s pretty harmony section, Paris stays down in her comfy burr, relaxing. Not as arresting as the Veronicas, but not as irritating, either.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

HAHA the losers on the plan b forum are going nuts cos my review* is on the plan b front page!

i'm not surprised, really, since you don't actually say much about the album you simply slag people off for not liking pop then call the readers losers (not just here but in the review itself). the worst thing they do is rise to the bait.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

I don't know which one's Paris Hilton and which one's Lily Allen any more.

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

Paris Hilton is the one who isn't ugly.

jimnaseum - formalist rigour! (jimnaseum), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

But her music is worse.

jimnaseum - formalist rigour! (jimnaseum), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

is it a ub40 cover or not? i only just realised that xtina meant christina. i've being saying ex tina the whole time. Paris what?

FACEBRACE (FACEBRACE), Friday, 25 August 2006 21:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

i didn't read the whole thread so i don't know if this has been linked but here's a really sensible person:

http://apawboy.blogspot.com/2006/08/stars-are-blind-i-actually-think-this.html

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 26 August 2006 16:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

That's a great post!

Banarama's "Love In The First Degree" just came on TV and I was inexplicably reminded of "Stars Are Blind".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 26 August 2006 22:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

Best part of the song is the POETRY, man: "Even though the gods are crazy/Even though the stars are blind."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 26 August 2006 22:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

thats hot

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 27 August 2006 00:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

exactly

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 27 August 2006 00:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

yeah! well you've also got "suicide" as merely "stupid pride", a somewhat hardline xtian sentiment which that indeed daring pantheism x astrology "gods are crazy / stars are blind" double whammy immediately vexes. and then yr everyday manichaean "be the devil and angel too" chaser. paris milton more like.

rtccc (mwah), Sunday, 27 August 2006 01:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 27 August 2006 01:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

This is easily the Album of the Year. Even the Rod Steward cover is appealing.

Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

You want to like it because you think you're not supposed to.

The single should have been called "Stars Are Bland."

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

Okay, I just listened to 3 songs. It sounds like they're doing a gimmick where every song sounds like other previous hit songs from the past 5 years. So yeah, obviously every song could be a Top 40 hit.. How that makes this album of the year is beyond me.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

lex is wrong about just about everything on this thread EXCEPT when he says "not leaving without you" is AMAZING, because it is.

anybody who like jacques lu cont should check it out.

oh yeah, i like the album too, though i like the rock/disco side of the album a whole lot better than the "club banger" side.

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 28 August 2006 20:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

how well did this record sell on it's first week of release?

anonymous celebrity (anonymous celebrity), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

It charted below both Slayer and the Young Knives in the UK.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

only one of the albums concerned has been raved about by john harris.

pscott (elwisty), Monday, 28 August 2006 22:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

The album is classic for inspiring Zemko's "Paris Milton more like" post upthread which is the greatest post in the history of ever.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 28 August 2006 22:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

the jadakiss verse is very funny.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 28 August 2006 23:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

oh Banksy you wag

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

People were laughing at the album in TCR Fopp on Friday evening.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

lol banksy hating on people who are famous for just showing up.

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5310416.stm

Obviously you mean this version, xpost? Or where they just having a 'laugh at the CD' party?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

The latter.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

same people who laughed at Rachel Stevens album perhaps.

if Banksy could use less obvious targets next that would be nice - i approve of the CULTURE-JAMMING itself.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

am struggling to think of a genius way to 'subvert' one of banksy's books in waterstones.

just writing CUNT on the front isn't very situationist and won't get the art students chortling, i predict.

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

No, the Rachel chortlers were kids in HMV at Saturday lunchtime.

Whereas with PARIS you just have to laugh.

Perhaps Waterstones could get Gordon Ramsay avec baseball bat to coem in and work his peculiar magic with Banksy's books.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

PUBLICIST REVEALS DETAILS OF SECRET STUNT

jed_ (jed), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

Kids! Make a fun anagram of that last headline! It could be your chance to write for London LITE!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

CABARET LIVED TISSUES PILL FENCES TO TRUST

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

Can you do me 200 words on the death of Steve Irwin = the death of masculinity by teatime?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

CRIKEY! Death by stingray (Steve Irwin killed, RIP)

New caption: It's me or the baby!

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

MEN WILL TRY ANY EXCUSE, HONESTLY: Liz Jones writes

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

ah what is that song she's jacking on the "gotta know what do / if u wanna get down" chorus on 'turn it up', it's driving me insane. depeche mode, or tears for fears, or something, innit?

rtccc (mwah), Monday, 4 September 2006 12:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

(y'know, the bit before just blaaaze wanders into the studio)

rtccc (mwah), Monday, 4 September 2006 12:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 4 September 2006 12:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

hahaha!

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 4 September 2006 12:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'd like to see ILX threads in graffiti form.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 4 September 2006 12:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

Banksy should come and subvert some ILX threads. He could turn up to the "He Poos Clouds" thread and post a picture of Tony Blair and underneath it he could write "He Poos Lies" and it would make everyone pause and think.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 4 September 2006 13:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

Or he could sneak into the music office at the Guardian and substitute next week's boring Petridish review with selected choice extracts from Burton's Anatomy Of Melancholy spiced up with cutouts of Roy Keane aiming an owl at Patsy Kensit.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 13:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

that banks guy, he was the one who papered over this

http://www.flickr.com/photos/charltonlido/203061848/

with some ironic stuff about drive bys in hoxton:(:(:(

-- (688), Monday, 4 September 2006 13:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

you could recreate that Kray piece easily elsewhere tho.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

i don't understand the kray graf.

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

nor me, but it's clearly something deeply fundamental.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

some people felt that loveable murderer Kray had served too much time in HMP.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

well, he was the hero of his people, wasn't he? and it wasn't murder, it was 'business'.

i'm with banksy on this one.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

"He only killed his own". Bless his heart.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

He'd never have stood for P Doherty's antics around his manor this much is true.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

there's this site called afflictedyard.com written by a jamaican photographer ... there was a pretty good piece from a couple years ago where he published photos of banksy.

he was pissed because banksy was tagging and stenciling in this rasta compound in jamaica.

banksy is really shitty.

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 4 September 2006 17:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

paris hilton and reggie kray>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this banks guy

-- (688), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

these banksy discs are going for quite a bit of change on ebay

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 04:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

it is funny, i had to review this film called 'container' just now. it's very paris hilton, in a way. i wrote it 'in character' as the lex (but a lex who had seen some other films, obv). it's spreading...

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

So for yr next film review, you're going to review a film, slag it off, claim it is "unacceptable" then admit at the end that you didn't actually watch it?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

and that black people don't listen to it, yeah.

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

If black people could only afford miniature DVD players, then they could watch movies on the bus.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

so - lets count how many end up on ebay ..

50 in total.

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like Banksy but his copycats are bad.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

how did the lex get penman's blog log-in btw?

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

Another review

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

£300 seems to be the going rate on e-bay.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

The review Dan just linked is the only one that matters.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

all copies are off ebay now .. did they shut the listings down

also :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUl9Mxbh1E

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

See what all your scoffing did, you cruel people. Tsk.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 11:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Are you poor? Poor people are responsible for all the wars in the world."

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 7 September 2006 19:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

this thread is truly bizarre even by ilm standards (i clicked to see what people though of the banksy thing), but that penman piece that jed linked to was worth the slog through.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Friday, 8 September 2006 03:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
Hilton vomits while trying to sing her own song

Everyone's a critic nowadays.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

i wonder, if lex is still listening to this?

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

hahahahaha you think the lex listens!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

at least this pathetic fag can quote the right html

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

of course i am! in the home straight for album-of-the-year honours, three albums have distanced themselves from the pack by some way, one of which is paris.

i was going to bump this thread to talk about the second single 'nothing in this world' and its wonderfully cheesy video, but feared you would all be too nasty about her :(

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

Enrique - I'm still listening to this!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

i can't tell what's more sad: that the lex isn't dead from suicide now, or after the holidays.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

i would respond to that but i'm afraid i've never noticed you before. there seem to be a lot of american posters who are into trying to look hard on the internet, and they all seem fairly interchangeable & pathetic to me.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

Aint naan a corny ironic limey bloggin' nigga know bout dat Tinkerbell

Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 11:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm still listening to this. Still in my top 3 albums of the year.

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm still not convinced, either by the original or by the DM retool.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

sometimes threads align themselves in insightful ways:

PARIS HILTON - PARIS
is this a real person or a joke?

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

my favourite on the album is def 'not leaving without you' now - it is so heart-burstingly optimistic and excited. "i wanna know what you dream about! i wanna know what you're thinkin' now!" total headrush.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

HAHAHAHAHA!

Right above the blurb about Paris' colourful 'live' performance is one entitled Yoga Helped Aniston Recover From Pitt Split

I read it as Yoda Helped Aniston Recover From Pitt Split

"Get over him you will, young Jeni"


shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 14:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

That bridge of the song you quote Lex, ie, the "rap", is my favorite part, the rest I'm not so wild about. I think 'Nothing in this World' is definitely my fave.

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

yeah the rap is something of a pinnacle - i love the dizzying whirl of the "we can dance! we can dance!" chorus too though.

'screwed' should have been a single! (i suspect that there may be no more singles, sadly.)

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

hstencil was on some weird shit this morning (just before his flight to England lol)

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

I know this is beside the point, but even if I could bring myself to like any of this album, I find it hard to believe anyone would part with $$$ to support anything Miss "I deserve a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame" does.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

But hey, that's just me.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

I would be staggered if many people on this thread had paid for the album.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

Good point Tom.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

we've been through this before, i still can't understand what's so objectionable about paris hilton that people actually admit that even if she'd made a great album their own prejudice would nevertheless override this. as ian penman says (his post is linked somewhere upthread), it's not her, it's you.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

i did not pay for the album but I WOULD HAVE

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

We don't buy her - it's as simple as that.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

I don't see what's so objectionable about people's own prejudices overriding them recognising a great album, though, Lex. It's their loss (or not, if being into PH's music is going to cause them mental anguish).

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's not a great album.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

I don't see what's so objectionable about people's own prejudices overriding them recognising a great album, though, Lex.

they should recognise that it's their own prejudices though! ie it is THEIR problem and very little to do with paris herself.

whether i buy someone is immaterial to whether i get enjoyment out of their music marcello.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's not prejudice, it's just contempt.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's not a great album.

but the lex says it is...

OMG WHO TO TRUST?

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

I dunno Lex, blindingly obvious point coming up but...I don't hear you acknowledging your preferences as prejudices terribly often.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

did i already mention Paris album outscores both Fergie and Janet Jackson albums on metacritic? not that it means a great deal but still.

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Me. I said the same thing about Transvision Vamp nineteen years ago and I was proved right.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

better than fergie, you say?

*ears prick up*

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

You're right, it doesn't mean a great deal.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like the Fergie singles, they're entertainingly brash.

I think the most interesting stuff I've read on Paris has been David Moore's posts on his blog, talking about the assumptions pro AND anti PH critics have been making about how the music must have been made and written.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

You're absolutely right Lex. It is me.

I have a problem with people who buy their fame.

I have a problem with people with no (or very questionable) talent, but who make claims that they "deserve" fame or respect for what they do. She hasn't earned anything.

If she wasn't such a nasty, spoiled little twit (the vowel of choice for that word is actually an 'a') I wouldn't really have any opinion of her. Unfortunately her media-whoring mouth has made that impossible. Sorry if she rubs me the wrong way dude.

Lex, it is highly clear to the majority of the population that if Paris does have some good sounds on it that Hilton had virtually nothing to do with it. I mean for cryin' out loud, she couldn't even get through a lip-synching event! You're completely entitled to have your opinion, as am I. You might win the popularity contest on this thread, but you know you have a steep climb against the rest of the population.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

i don't care how the music was made at all, i wouldn't make assumptions about it. or really there isn't time to worry about it, or not if you don't like the music to start with.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

That's exactly the problem I have, Tom. I think I just don't like "brash" in pop.

Shorty largely OTM there though the artist "virtually having nothing to do with it" doesn't as a rule bother me that much. With Paris, though, I'm happy to make an exception.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

good enough for me Marcello.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

You're right, it doesn't mean a great deal.

what it does suggest is that the whole 'people not taking her seriously as pop star' thing hasn't been so damaging and it's just that the album is deemed average on it's own terms.

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

among critics at least

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

I would imagine Hilton has worked very hard to get where she is. I think she is responsible for her own fame, and has therefore 'earned' it (whatever that means).

braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anyone gives a fuck, tbh. it's not boom time for pop music, and her singles were merely 'ech' rather than being abject shit.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

And the Queen grew up in a back-to-back terrace in Bolton, right?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

The Queen was born famous. It's different.

braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

And Giles and Victoria Coren got where they are today purely through their own efforts.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

Just as I know the sun will come up tomorrow, I know that Hilton would not have released an album at this juncture in her life if her pockets didn't reach down to hell.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

True, but she wouldn't be nearly as famous as she is now if she hadn't put considerable effort into it.

braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

And the sky is green.

Thatcherism was bad enough first time around. We don't want it back, thank you very much.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

Considerable effort compared to The Simple Life? mebbe.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

Who said I was advocating Thatcherism?

braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

i don't care if she's made an effort.

i don't care if she wrote all the songs or none.

i don't even care if it isn't her voice at all.

it'd still be underwhelming.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

I can't remember seeing you whelmed in the last two years on ILX, though Enrique!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

no, it doesn't happen much.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

it'd still be underwhelming

Definitely can see your point there ben.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

is it wicked not to care?

pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

It tends to be all Henry does on ILx.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

this thread needs the seward treatment.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

benrique wept the day '12 stops from home' leaked.

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'm not sure what to make of that.

i work for the feeling's record company?

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

Do you?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

How many copies has this album sold, incidentally?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

fewer than the feeling's, and i have the celebratory mercedes to prove it.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

The Feeling have done about 200,000 domestic.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

that's what i'm talking about.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

Total UK Paris album sales clock in at a tad under 3,000.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

source?

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

this is an argument which recurs all the time, and not just about paris, but about virtually every sleb ever - that you must 'earn' or 'deserve' your fame. wtf? this is mentalism. it assumes a) that fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that onlhat fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that only special people are permitted to have it, and b) that fame and celebrity status are intrinsically rational in the first place! both these assumptions are nonsense & a far more pernicious manifestation of ‘celebrity culture’ than any amount of daddy’s girls who just wanna have fun.

Just as I know the sun will come up tomorrow, I know that Hilton would not have released an album at this juncture in her life if her pockets didn't reach down to hell.

so? I mean, seriously, so what? what earthly bearing could this have on whether the music is good?


i like the fergie album, it's...odd in that it's properly good rather than obnoxiously good!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

What the bleep is "onlhat" fame?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

And 'Stars Are Blind' is a wonderful record that craps all over Lily Allen's entire oeuvre.

braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

oops copy-pasting fucked up!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'm sure most people could understand but for marcello's benefit:

this is an argument which recurs all the time, and not just about paris, but about virtually every sleb ever - that you must 'earn' or 'deserve' your fame. wtf? this is mentalism. it assumes a) that fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that only special people are permitted to have it, and b) that fame and celebrity status are intrinsically rational in the first place! both these assumptions are nonsense & a far more pernicious manifestation of ‘celebrity culture’ than any amount of daddy’s girls who just wanna have fun.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

should be a DJ Wrongtom or South Rakkas riddim version of 'Stars Are Blind'

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

i wonder if nigel dempster is a fan.

pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

So I'm foolish for liking an actor because they are convincing at character roles as compared to just being one of the pretty people? This line of thinking will certainly not allow the cream to rise to the top in any career.

this is an argument which recurs all the time, and not just about paris, but about virtually every sleb ever - that you must 'earn' or 'deserve' your fame. wtf? this is mentalism. it assumes a) that fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that onlhat fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that only special people are permitted to have it.

With all due respect Lex, I think your logic is quite flawed here. Hilton is the one who feels she is beyond mere mortals ("I'm way more famous than any of these people. If anyone deserves a star it's me!") and doesn't have to tow the same line as most other people who have actually proven their talent, live or recorded.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

how on earth do you know what she feels about her fame?! the little evidence we have seems to point towards a very self-aware "i can't believe these people take me seriously but what larks i'll play along" attitude to it all.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

And Lex, I fully admit my prejudice against Paris before hearing any of the album. I suspect though, that you had just as much positive prejudice as soon as you heard that she was cutting an album. I'm not saying that you weren't actually impressed once you heard it, but I'm fairly sure you were predisposed to like it.

Fair enough?

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

how on earth do you know what she feels about her fame?! the little evidence we have seems to point towards a very self-aware "i can't believe these people take me seriously but what larks i'll play along" attitude to it all.

Paris said:
If anyone deserves a star on the Walk of Fame I do

'nuff said for me. Unfortunately there is much more if you insist that I search for it.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

she also says:

"I'm always playing a character," she says. "I don't talk like this really -- like a baby. I don't act like myself in public, because I don't really want to show everyone the real me. Because I have no privacy whatsoever, the only thing I have is who I really am."

of course i had a positive prejudice towards the paris album! and i was proved right.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

When people are saying "she doesn't deserve her fame", do they actually mean "she doesn't deserve the vast amounts of money she has"?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

and i was proved right

Good thing you're not a judge Lex!

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

Shorty the only thing I'm a bit surprised about in yr argument is the exalted status being given to the Hollywood Walk of Fame - is her blasphemy against its hallowed exclusivity really that horrid?

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

Also am I the only person that finds that 'celebrity' in itself isn't a particularly interesting subject for a song, an album, a 'subversive' art statement, a book, an internet message board debate or anything else?

I mean, some people are famous, some like it, some don't. Big fucking deal. Some people deserve their fame, for like pulling of some amazing feat of physical or artistic endeavour, some don't. It's NOT INTERESTING.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

(The logical extension of this is that Paris isn't particularly interesting either as a popstar or a figure in the public eye. Which I don't think she is either).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

Tom, I thought it simply shows how absolutely spoiled and naively conceited she is. I actually don't care who is on the Walk of Shame in the least.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

Matt is broadly OTM - this is why the Lex's arguments for Paris being somehow more than an enjoyable pop album have never rung true with me.

(It might still be more than that - but the Lex's second-hand po-mo clothes don't feel like an interesting fit on it.)

xpost Shorty so your argument boils down to "Spoiled woman thinks she should be included in notorious monument to vanity O NOES"?

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

walk of shame! worthy of banksy.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'm not wearing any po-mo clothes! po-mo clothes are generally past their best. paris is an enjoyable pop album - a part of this is that it engages emotionally as well as superficially. when i say that paris's songs are resonant with me i'm not claiming it's "more" than a great pop album - this is exactly what a great pop album is.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

Also am I the only person that finds that 'celebrity' in itself isn't a particularly interesting subject for a song, an album, a 'subversive' art statement, a book, an internet message board debate or anything else?

no i agree and this is a big part of why the last STreets album was so hard to engage with (the other parts being all that terrible singing and weak production)

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

The main reason for this is that Paris H's own experience is so radically outside any of our frames of reference that she DOES just come across as a spoilt brat even if she isn't actually. I mean, no one other than The Lex and people who know her personally cares what the 'real' Paris is like. Any more than we care about any 'price of fame' confessional type albums. It's one of the reasons why the new Streets album is so much less compelling than the previous two.

People generally want to either idolise or mock their celebrities. They don't want to empathise with them, unless they get cancer or do something else that brings them down to the level or 'mere mortals'.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

ARGH XPOST SHARED BRANE HELP!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

:o

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

I feel the same way about Kanye West's blowout about not getting whatever award it was. The only difference between this and Paris assertion is that (in my opinion) Kanye does have talent, but I still think he looked like a complete fool in this case.

I dunno, I just respect people that accept their praise and/or criticism in stride, and don't get visibly pissed off when the public (or whatever awards organization) doesn't share in their self-perceived recognition.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

do you hate 90% of humanity then, shorty?

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm afraid to tell the truth on that one Lex!

Someone said "I love humanity, it's just the people I can't stand!" Something like that applies to me.

Besides, there are tons of people who accept their recognition gracefully (at least while in public).

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

Thread is an insult to the great ms. Hilton and proof why Bush should've bombed the UK instead of Iraq.

Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

lol @ people still arguing over the fucking PARIS HILTON record.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

you're right Merl! Dunno why I felt the need to pull at this thread today.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

haggard.jpeg

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

shorty, you know when ur banging on about ppl earning their fame etc, do you mean paris jumping to the top of the porn vid queue and displacing all the honest fame-deserving webcam girls you appear to be peddling in ur dayjob? sorry, i'm awful confused!!

rtccc (mwah), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

dude, I have made no personal attacks against Lex or anyone else in this thread. I have also never spammed or advertized the site I manage here at ILX; I simply used one of my many e-mail addresses that is already a spam-inbox. How any of that has anything to do with this thread... Oh, I see you say you're confused. Nevermind then.

On the other hand, there's no such thing as bad publicity, so thanks!

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe ILX is having this conversation in 2006.

Can we maybe talk of the new Diddy album? Are people hating on this for the same reason?

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

I would imagine Hilton has worked very hard to get where she is. I think she is responsible for her own fame, and has therefore 'earned' it (whatever that means).

Worked? You have got to be joking! Even though she's not to inherit that many millions - to many cousins and whatnot to share the dough - she's never worked in her life unless you count that sex tape she did with Shannen Doherty's ex and holding a cellphone to her ear. (It's entirely possible she signed a contract with some medical reseach center to see if obsessive usage of a cellphone can create brain cancer. She's got'em fooled of course as she has no brain.) But that is beside the point. So what if you worked 24 hours per day, the end result is what matters.

I like her in some weird ass way.

lol @ people still arguing over the fucking PARIS HILTON record.

*stares at thread title*

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe ILX is having this conversation in 2006.

aka THE YEAR THE ALBUM CAME OUT

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

You people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm still waiting for a definition of the word "onlhat."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

If celebrities are so inherently uninteresting, how then to explain the continuing popularity of (eg) celebrity gossip magazines?

braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

people are interested in uninteresting things.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

I said "celebrity" as a subject matter isn't interesting. Clearly people are interested in celebrities. Usually for idolising or mocking purposes (see Heat).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

tbh some celebrities are interesting, but the phrase "celebrity culture" can only evoke dread. it's a very zoe williams kinda topic.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

the problem with "celebrity culture" is that it's such a meaningless phrase that it gets used to represent so many strawmen instead of people thinking about the terms in which people actually engage with/relate to celebrities

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

true, but that's possibly partially because the word 'celebrity' itself has become meaningless.

have you ever seen the state of the participants in celebrity come dancing/cooking/hairdressing/badger baiting, etc? I reckon the average person on the street would be hard-pressed to name even half of the participants in these programmes before they begin. they may become celebrities afterwards, but that's another story.

rather than meaning 'celebrated' or 'lauded', it now just seems to mean 'somebody that some other person, somewhere, has heard of... once'.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

the international star system has been going since the 1910s; there is nothing new about celebrity culture. people have been having learned debates about how regular folk relate to celebrities almost as long.

there have long been people like paris hilton, it's just that in the past they didn't have sex tapes, they dressed classier, and didn't always think they needed to *do* things like films and records to justify themselves.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Since the 1840s, when Dickens started doing his American tours.

Except Dickens had talent.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

better in the sack too

2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

ha, i really dislike dickens (except for great expectations). in my mind there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!

why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway? what kind of talent are they referring to? countless musicians with no discernible ability to sing (from bob dylan to britney spears via every indie act ever) or write songs (almost every popular entertainer in the history of pop music) are feted. what is it about paris which needles people so much more?

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

also i find it v amusing that about 3 people on this thread have heard the full album and ALL OF THEM LOVE IT.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

also i find it v amusing that about 3 people on this thread have heard the full album and ALL OF THEM LOVE IT.

absence of proof is not proof of absence.

um re talent -- it's not just her talent that's in question, but her producers', writers', etc.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

pasting is fun

2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

i know right.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hoosten OTM

dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

waht

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

...countless musicians with no discernible ability to sing (from bob dylan to britney spears via every indie act ever)...are feted. what is it about paris which needles people so much more?

in the case of bob and britney, not that I'm a fan of either, they may not be able to sing like nusrats or buckleys or christinas, but at least they're distinctive, they have character and charisma. you'd recognise their voices in a millisecond.

however, paris's singing voice, while also not exactly technically great, is entirely bland and strangely featureless...much like paris herself. it's the vocal equivalent of special K, and I want coco pops, dammit! with chilli!

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

Special K has a very distinctive malty taste. You might be thinking of Kelloggs Start.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

i thought he meant ketamine!

coco pops with chilli sounds vile.

paris's voice is very distinctive.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

does that come with little bits of dried prune? start, I mean, not ketamine.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

They think it's all over is a well known quotation popular in England. It is taken from Kenneth Wolstenholme's BBC TV commentary in the closing moments of the 1966 World Cup, where England beat West Germany 4-2 after extra time to win the FIFA World Cup.

Transcribed, the quotation is:

And here comes Hurst! He's got...

(Wolstenholme's attention is diverted by some of the crowd spilling onto the pitch)

Some people are on the pitch! They think it's all over!

(Geoff Hurst scores to put England two goals ahead)

It is now! It's four!

ITV's commentary for the match as the final concluded with "It's four! It's four!" is not quite as notable, as per the BBC's dominance of the British media at the time.

The fourth goal was allowed to stand, although it was scored as a pitch invasion was in progress. The laws of the game clearly state that in such circumstances, the game has to be stopped because of outside interference of any kind [1].

[edit] In pop culture

The phrase, along with other calls from English football matches, appears in New Order's song "World In Motion". The British band The Dentists called their first album Some People are on the Pitch They Think It's All Over It Is Now in Wolstenholme's honour; the LP begins with a sample of Wolstenholme's original commentary. Track #3 on british folk metal act Skyclad's EP Jig-a-Jig is called "They Think It's All Over". The song contains the phrase "They think it's all over. Well is it now?" in its chorus and includes several references to the '66 World Cup.

The quotation was also used as the title of the BBC's satirical sports quiz show They Think It's All Over, which has appeared on BBC One since 1995. The show has heightened the popularity of the phrase in recent years, though Kenneth Wolstenholme was reportedly unhappy with the use of the phrase for the title of the show.

dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Stop!
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Stop! may refer to:

* Stop! (album), a 1988 album by Sam Brown
o "Stop!" (Sam Brown song), a song from this album
o "Stop!", this same song was later covered UK R&B singer Jamelia
* "Stop!", a song by Jane’s Addiction from their 1990 album Ritual de lo Habitual
* Stop!, a 2004 Indian film starring Dia Mirza

dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

Let Go (Avril Lavigne album)
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Let Go

Studio album by Avril Lavigne
Released June 4, 2002
Genre Pop rock
Length 48:38
Label Arista Records
Producer(s) Antonio "LA" Reid
Professional reviews
All Music Guide link
Rolling Stone link
Metacritic (66/100) linkavril i love u.......

Avril Lavigne chronology
Let Go
(2002) Under My Skin
(2004)



Let Go is the first album by pop rock singer Avril Lavigne, released on June 4, 2002.[1] It was highly successful, being certified platinum six times in the United States and seven times in Australia. In Canada it received a diamond award for surpassing sales of one million. It has sold over 15 million copies

Contents [hide]
1 Track listing
2 Singles
3 References
4 Further reading


[edit] Track listing
"Losing Grip" (A. Lavigne/C. Magness) – 3:53
"Complicated" (A. Lavigne/The Matrix) – 4:05
"Sk8er Boi" (A. Lavigne/The Matrix) – 3:23
"I'm with You" (A. Lavigne/The Matrix) – 3:44
"Mobile" (A. Lavigne/C. Magness) – 3:31
"Unwanted" (A. Lavigne/C. Magness) – 3:40
"Tomorrow" (A. Lavigne/C. Frasca/S. Breer) – 3:48
"Anything but Ordinary" (A. Lavigne/The Matrix) – 4:12
"Things I'll Never Say" (A. Lavigne/The Matrix) – 3:43
"My World" (A. Lavigne/C. Magness) – 3:27
"Nobody's Fool" (A. Lavigne/P. Zizzo) – 3:57
"Too Much to Ask" (A. Lavigne/C. Magness) – 3:45
"Naked" (A. Lavigne/C. Frasca/S. Breer) – 3:29/4:27 1
Enhanced track: "I Don't Give"
1 A longer version of "Naked" was released in several European countries. The song includes longer instrumental parts.


[edit] Singles
"Complicated" was the first single from the album. Its release had a major impact on Lavigne's career, and significantly increased sales of the album. It peaked at number two on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100, number three on the UK chart, and number one in Australia. "Complicated" remains Lavigne's most successful song to date.

"Sk8er Boi" was the second single released from Let Go, with a punk edge. The song went top 10 in the US, UK and Australia, and number 1 in Canada. Nonetheless, it remains one of Lavigne's biggest songs to date. After the upbeat songs "Complicated" and "Sk8er Boi" had their runs globally, Lavigne decided to release a ballad from her album. "I'm with You" performed a little bit better than "Sk8er Boi", peaking at number four on the Billboard Hot 100, number seven in the UK, and number eighteen in Canada.

The alternative rock-influenced "Losing Grip" was the fourth single. It barely gained any airplay or video play in the U.S., peaking at number sixty-four on the Billboard Hot 100, more than fifty spots lower than its three predecessors. It managed a twenty-two place in the UK, and went to number twenty in Australia, probably its highest chart position anywhere in the world. Otherwise its release was unsuccessful. "Mobile" was the fifth single released from the album, and was released in Australia as a radio-only track. It was later used in the 2004 film Wimbledon with Kirsten Dunst.

All four of Avril's singles earned Grammy nominations though none have garnered her an award.[1]


[edit] References
^ AvrilLavigne.com
Avril Lavigne Bandaids Avril Lavigne Fansite
Avril Lavigne Wiki Entry on Let Go

[edit] Further reading
Lyrics
hey my name is guneet & m a screwd up fan of avril & i wana be with her & to do that m starting singing her singles

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Go_%28Avril_Lavigne_album%29"

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

GET THAT FOOTBALL SHIT OFF PARIS'S THREAD SHOW SOME RESPECT

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

ban dom

2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

1. bandom
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The state of being in a band.

I figure, the practice amp i have now is enough for just me, this would be a purchase for bandom.
by jared Jan 17, 2005 email it

dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

Who is Paris competing against who might be considered to have earned their fame?

Certainly bona fide porn stars might question the professionalism of her sex tape, pointing to her serious lack of expertise, an expertise which can surely come only from many hours of practice. Nick Carter has already been openly scathing on this point.

But in the field of the kind of pop music Paris makes - fluffy pop music light on vocal pyrotechnics - who are her competitors? Britney obv... Emma Bunton? Mandy Moore once but she now seems so pseudo-deep indie...

Do such singers "earn" their fame? Britney was instantly famous when "Baby One More Time" was released. Emma likewise via the Spice Girls. Mandy was probably pretty big, but has certainly worked hard to swap this in favour of indie cred.

Arguably Paris has worked harder to prepare the way for the emergence of the pop star Paris than most other pop stars of the same style do: the millions leading to the sex-tape leading to the trashy club image leading to the reality TV show culminating in the music. She's really like Britney in reverse.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

How long did it take before people started showing that old clip of Britney on the Disney Club? I don't know if that was something ever used from the get go to illustrate her 'grounding' in the field or just used to point and laugh at her but obv. it didn't have any negative effect.

2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lex thinks Paris >>>> Dickens - OK, this thread has now officially jumped the shark.

Also can I emphasise that I'm not criticising her album because it's her. I'm criticising it because it is a poor pop record.

I've heard the forthcoming Emma Bunton album and it's great!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

Additionally I have listened to both the Paris album in full as well as the Danger Mouse remix, as I think I made fairly clear several hundred posts ago.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

Bunton's 'Downtown' is useless so am assuming that's not on the album.

2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

posting images is fun

2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yes it is, just as "I'll Stand By You" was on What Will The Neighbours Say?

(multiple Stevem xpost)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

'i'll stand by you' is great. 'downtown' is fun if nothing earth-shattering. i should listen to the bunton album, i'm looking forward to it.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
Was that paris who said "we're like two niggers"?

She can hang out with Jade Goody, Danielle and Jo O'Meara now!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

casual racism is SO HOT right now

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

This whole 'pariscarriage' thing would be shocking if it were anyone else, but it's Paris Hilton so.. it isn't shocking at all.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Why won't this piece of shit go and O.D. already?

darin (darin), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

darin OTM

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 February 2007 23:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's ILX someone will still defend her.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 February 2007 23:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ooh.

Actually, meh. I already hated her.

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene in a DIE BLIPSTER SCUM! tee (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 1 February 2007 23:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

At one time, I would have been one of the defenders - "she's harmless; we can always use a Jayne-Mansfield-walking-her-pet-bobcat-down-Hollywood-Boulevard" type - but these clips of her throwing around slurs and blowing mountains of coke with disgusting rapists are just too revolting.

I still like "Stars Are Blind," though. Hopeless.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 1 February 2007 23:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's ILX someone will still defend her.

indeed -- even though she's just prussian blue w/ better production values.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 1 February 2007 23:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 1 February 2007 23:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

I won't defend her - that's a horrible clip and judging by it she's a nasty person. I think it might curdle my enjoyment of the record too.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 2 February 2007 00:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

I've always wondered if something unsavoury happened with a band/artist would it put me off the bands actual music even if the music/lyrics weren't related to it in any way.
If someone was an extreme right wing racist I don't think I could ever listen to their music again even if it wasn't actually contained in the music.

Has anything like that happened before to anyone here?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 01:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

hey chris langham's been accused of well pretty awful things and i reckon i'd enjoy the thick of it if i ever get to see it again. obviously thats not music but same deal really.

acrobat (elwisty), Friday, 2 February 2007 01:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

He hasn't been convicted though has he? Maybe if he is convicted and details come out you will change your mind?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 01:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

Does anyone listen to Gary Glitter records now?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

You're trying to think of a dirty surprise to end a show called Dirty Surprise, but that's what everyone expects! The dirtiest surprise would be that it ends with something clean and unsurprising.

-- StanM (Stan10...), February 2nd, 2007.


or Merzbow at full volume played over a studio orgy and The Greatest Hits Of Gary Glitter

-- to scour or to pop? (papiermachealamphibia...), February 2nd, 2007.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

-- to scour or to pop? (papiermachealamphibia...), February 2nd, 2007.

-- to scour or to pop? (papiermachealamphibia...), February 1st, 2007 6:10 PM.

Woah, I was under the impression that time flowed in a straight line.

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene in a DIE BLIPSTER SCUM! tee (R. J. Greene), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

not across the atlantic, it doesn't! :-D

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

how is the future and have you had sex yet?

roger goodell (gear), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wow, it's bright and it's orange!

Oh, and as for the future...

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

Video's been removed :(

What wa it? Was it something scary?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

*was

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

Paris and her sister were dancing and Paris said ""we're like two niggers"

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

I still enjoy the work of the following utter scumbags:

T.S. Eliot
Leni Riefenstahl
Ezra Pound
Jonathan Swift
Mick Jagger
Paris Hilton
Sizzla.

That is all.

It's Tough to Beat Illious (noodle vague), Friday, 2 February 2007 02:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

blowing mountains of coke with disgusting rapists are just too revolting

what rapists?
wtf

friday on the porch (lfam), Friday, 2 February 2007 03:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

Joe Francis, from Wikipedia:

"In March 2004, a Texas college student accused Francis of raping her in his Miami hotel room. She alleged that he had drugged her and had sex with her because she woke up the next morning in his bed and could not recall the events of the previous evening. Francis reported that he had consensual sex with the woman. The state attorney's office declined to press charges and noted that a blood test did not show any evidence of drugs[15]. Francis has sued his accuser for over $25 million - plus sixteen dollars - for defamation[16]; the $16 representing the breakfast she had and charged to the hotel room after the alleged rape."

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Friday, 2 February 2007 06:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ha, like the founder of Girls Gone Wild would do such a thing.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 February 2007 07:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

T.S.Eliot is a near-unforgivable shit, have you read his 'Function Of Criticism'?

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Friday, 2 February 2007 08:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Jonathan Swift

Seriously WTF?!

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I was a bit off on Swift, but hey, that's the booze. I bet he was still a right Tory git tho.

It's Tough to Beat Illious (noodle vague), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

Curious that Claudine Longet hasn't come up in this thread. At least I think it's curious.

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2818928

a.b. (alanbanana), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

sebioalvarez – Feb 1 '07 at 10:34 PM
thats not paris hilton those are inpersonators acting stupid
paris never wears her eyeliner like that

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

THANK YOU, ENCYCLOPEDIA BROWN

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

paris is her own impersonator

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
the lift-off into the chorus of 'turn it up' is still so fucking good :D

lex pretend, Friday, 2 March 2007 12:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, its kind of racisty

688, Friday, 2 March 2007 12:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

ANDWHAT: do you know tila tequila the myspace ho turned shitty pop artist
Dubplatestyle: who am i, the lex?
ANDWHAT: hahaa ok
Dubplatestyle: anyway no
Dubplatestyle: why?
ANDWHAT: from asian girl's blog
ANDWHAT: 'this must be how white people feel about paris hilton'
Dubplatestyle: haha
Dubplatestyle: "now you know our pain"
ANDWHAT: white man's burden
Dubplatestyle: to carry paris hilton on the shoulders of our nation

and what, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha i just saw her page cuz she is one of that amy winehouse singer's top 8 (i keep hearing abt amy wine house so i checked out her site, she's like fiona apple for brits kinda i guess?)

anyway yeah tila tequila! i thought maybe she was a some WWE chick or something.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

"she's like fiona apple for brits kinda i guess?"

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

She's more like Pete Doherty for Americans.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

god bless you hegelson

and what, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

youre like shpley before he got all smarmy

and what, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

i wanna hear this tila tequila

lex pretend, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

no you don't

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

my smarm was merely revealed, not acquired.

Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

deej are you gonna take that

and what, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

If only I had spent as much energy forging a unique ILX personality as you

deej, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

but seriously there's a little bit of smarm in all of us
the right environment is a catalyst

deej, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

lolz at "racisty"

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

I listened to the tila tequila track on the myspace page, god it was rubbish.

Pashmina, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

Did you expect anything else?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

What does The Lex think of Marnie Stern?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

I didn't expect it to be as bad as that!

Pashmina, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

What does The Lex think of Marnie Stern?

given that she's really bloody good, I would assume he thinks she's dreadful.

(this doesn't always work though, cf. diamanda galas)

that tila tequila myspace site is like a masterclass in bad web design! it's incredible!

m the g, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

But The Lex likes girls with guitars!!!


Check this for something bad. They tried to add pashmina's band to friends list hehe

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

but there are girls with guitars, and girls with GUITAAAARRRRRS.

as for ruthie bram...there's just...so...much of it...PC...crashing...

m the g, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

Surely even the lex can't like ruthie bram?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think Ruthi B was particularly bad, or particularly anything tbh (apart from the woeful myspace page design), just yet another example of a friend collector request, which are LEGION.

Pashmina, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

there are some very odd friend requests out there. I got one once from a born-again christian stockbroker in the states. I didn't know him personally, he shared absolutely none of my interests or influences (it was christian music and books ONLY), and given his other tastes I'm pretty sure he wasn't a fan of my tunes.

he only had around 30 friends so he wasn't exactly your typical collector or self-publicist. why me? what did he want? I did ask, politely, but he never replied. my theory is he was the myspace equivalent of a doorstep evangelist.

m the g, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

that tequila lady's video is the most downloaded video in the itunes store. atleast it was a few days ago. i'm too lazy to check now.

funny farm, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 02:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Dropped by Warners for being generally shite and everyone agrees.

Also being sued by UB40 for the "Stars Are Blind" rip-off.

everything, Monday, 4 June 2007 22:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

"In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role in the decisions I make."

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 4 June 2007 22:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

Tim F, Monday, 4 June 2007 22:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

UB40's record label, the Sparta Florida Music Group, are suing V2 Music Publishing, Warner Chappell Music, and Paris Hilton's songwriter/producer for $500,000 in damages in London's High Court.

The band claim that their classic song "Kingston Town" features heavily in Paris Hilton's debut single "Stars Are Blind" and are suing her for breaching copyright laws.

The Sparta Music Group are going to use information from the internet and a musicologist, to prove that "Stars Are Blind" used a large amount of the UB40 1990 single.

UB40's "Kingston Town," written by Kendrick Patrick, reached number four in U.K. charts, while "Stars Are Blind" released last year, reached number five.

As Paris Hilton has been dropped from her record label, Warner Bros., she isn't being sued directly. However, she is still in the wrong side of the law as she starts her 23-week sentence in Century Regional Detention Facility in Los Angeles today (June 4).

lol

Dom Passantino, Monday, 4 June 2007 22:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

So, any guesses on what the prison album will be like?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 June 2007 22:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

maybe something with lots of screaming, shouting and swearing?

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 8 June 2007 22:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

She could phone in the vocals like Bad Brains!

Spencer Chow, Friday, 8 June 2007 22:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

The Sparta Music Group are going to use information from the internet and a musicologist, to prove that "Stars Are Blind" used a large amount of the UB40 1990 single.
The Sparta Music Group are going to use information from the internet and a musicologist, to prove that "Stars Are Blind" used a large amount of the UB40 1990 single.
The Sparta Music Group are going to use information from the internet and a musicologist, to prove that "Stars Are Blind" used a large amount of the UB40 1990 single.

lol nice court case

dmr, Friday, 8 June 2007 22:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

Exhibit A: Paris Hilton wiki page

dmr, Friday, 8 June 2007 22:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

i think i'm going to get this!

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Friday, 14 August 2009 02:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's still a great album which i jam often

lex pretend, Friday, 14 August 2009 07:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...

HYPE HYPE SECOND ALBUM FINISHED?

I have an iTunes playlist called "That Feeling" (Tape Store), Thursday, 29 July 2010 06:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

prolego, Saturday, 31 July 2010 13:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

New music! It's... wow.

prolego, Thursday, 23 February 2012 05:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds like the detachable penis 2012 deserves

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 February 2012 05:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

really wanted this to be good :(

nathey, Thursday, 23 February 2012 09:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha miss kittin reincarnated as LA party girl

lex pretend, Thursday, 23 February 2012 10:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

i quite enjoyed it, but have no desire to hear it again.

pandemic, Thursday, 23 February 2012 11:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is totally rad

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

adore it

surm, Friday, 24 February 2012 00:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

kind of love this

Prince Rebus (donna rouge), Friday, 24 February 2012 01:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, no more "kind of", this rules

NO ONE IS SAFE IN THE TWITTERSPHERE ANYMORE

Prince Rebus (donna rouge), Friday, 24 February 2012 01:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah pretty much start to finish i was in love

surm, Friday, 24 February 2012 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i honestly can't with this song right now.

i love the suggestions of madonna, and all the lyrics, and the video. it's ... perfect.

surm, Friday, 24 February 2012 02:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

did...they re-record this specially with paris? the only version i can find on itunes was released last year and features someone called "lea luna"

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 08:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, they've just had paris rerecord the vocals, with a few alterations ("my bitches")

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Does anyone have an iPhone-friendly video link?

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 24 February 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

So this video has been pulled?

pandemic, Friday, 24 February 2012 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

heads weren't ready

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

seems to be the case.
after all, someone has to protect the interests of 'black hole recordings'

mark e, Friday, 24 February 2012 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think it's still up on gawker

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh god this song is so good

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 25 February 2012 05:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is Jezebel a high school senior project? When did 31 become an age when you're "desperately clinging to youth" by making pop music?

Cousin Slappy, Saturday, 25 February 2012 07:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's really strange how it's a feminist website that seems to devote 20% of its articles to insulting famous women. Guess it drives page views!

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 25 February 2012 07:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

C.R.E.A.M.

Cousin Slappy, Saturday, 25 February 2012 07:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

he hands me another shot of vodka

and i say .... sure

surm, Saturday, 25 February 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

are you fucking kidding me?

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 25 February 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

later on, she comes up to me, holds up her phone, screaming at me and i say

i'm sorry, it was just a drunk text

surm, Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

desperate clauses of random intent <3

lex pretend, Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

yess <3

surm, Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

okay, so "drunk text" is pretty great

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was hoping that at some point it would break into a song but the part at the end where she starts repeating "it was just a drunk text" is a pretty sly little hook

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just can't get enough

surm, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

the first time she says it was just a drunk text is my favorite line in a song from the past like year

surm, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have no business being on this thread but come the fuck on, ppl

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

like, there are enough people out there who are better musicians and aren't reprehensible racist scumbags that you really don't need to pay attention to this worthless person

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i haven't heard any of the songs from her debut but i think this is a pretty great use of her

it's not something that i'll listen to a lot cuz i do prefer, y'know, SONGS, but i was pretty happy about it

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

svend, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Actually part 2 is where it gets funny -

svend, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

djp a) it's not her song, it's someone else's track that she did vocals for, and it was unreleased and when it leaked people just said it was a PH song

b) have you even heard it? It's not as awful as you'd think

Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 23:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why on Earth would I even try to hear this song? I try to not support racists as best as I can.

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Because you keep going on and on about how awful it "must be". I mean "this woman is racist and I think she's awful" is a totally legitimate thing but being all "you guys are idiots for wasting time on this piece of music that I haven't heard but KNOW is horrible" is kinda nagl

Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually I keep going on and on about how she's a racist

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 23:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

and people should really remember that

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

why does paris hilton get a free pass on racism from some on ilx who normally would foam at the mouth about racists?

fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 23:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Had no idea she was a racist tbh but I'm pretty disgusted after a bit of googling

Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol @ Stern over Faxing Berlin.

errant flynn, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 03:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

more Howard Stern on Paris:

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh i'm sure that's fascinating and hilarious

3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

eagerly awaiting lex's return to this thread

乒乓, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Stars are Blind is a great fucking song

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 July 2013 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Your ears are broken

waterface, Friday, 12 July 2013 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also she's a racist airhead

waterface, Friday, 12 July 2013 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

Maybe you're into that

waterface, Friday, 12 July 2013 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm into your mom, does that count?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 July 2013 13:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wow good one you still have shit taste in music and people

Why wouldn't you listen to the Tide is High instead

waterface, Friday, 12 July 2013 13:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is there a Paris Hilton version?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 July 2013 13:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm with lex re this album.
its a genuinely good dance pop record ...

mark e, Friday, 12 July 2013 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's p. okay. I had a funny moment a few years ago when some hipster guy at a party was going through my CDs. He picked Paris Hilton out. "Cool dude, you got a Banksy.". "Nah, it's an original.". He pulled a really funny face, put it back and carried on..

mmmm, Saturday, 13 July 2013 09:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's p. okay. I had a funny moment a few years ago when some hipster guy at a party was going through my CDs. He picked Paris Hilton out. "Cool dude, you got a Banksy.". "Nah, it's an original.". He pulled a really funny face, put it back and carried on..

Thats amazing - love it!

suare, Saturday, 13 July 2013 10:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah this album's great.

I've been listening to it a lot again recently because it sounds especially good in hot weather.

gregus, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

her new single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1JMjwJG2UM

gregus, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:03 (9 months ago) Permalink

SMH @ wayne's verse ("all she knows is suck, fuck")

josh, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:42 (9 months ago) Permalink


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