How comes nobody ever mentions the MC5 round here?

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Are they 'uncool' these days?

Andrew L, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Uncool as in hot? Anyone who writes a song with the title The Human Being Lawnmower is kool in my book.

Nathalie, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

It's not about 'cool'. They were always rubbbish in my book. It's just nice, corny rock n' roll. And people who say they had 'fire' and 'soul' don't know what the fuck they are on about.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Julio's high. "Kick Out the Jams" if a masterpiece.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'"Kick Out the Jams" if a masterpiece'

Sounds like you are listening to critics than actually listening to the content. Why is it a masterpice?

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Sounds like you are listening to critics than actually listening to the content.

I have never seen a review praising this album/the MC5, and retrospect reviews (like in Trouser Press) declare the band over-rated.

I think Kick Out the Jams has its moments (title track, "Rocket Reducer No. 62", the first half of "Starship"), but it's nothing great.

Vic Funk, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'I have never seen a review praising this album/the MC5'

I have seen a couple but they are also held responsible for somehow (like fellow dud band the stooges)helping to create punk. But we should not pay attention since it is the mainstream rock press who say this garbage.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Well, I'm glad you know so much better than everyone else that you can share the truth with all of us. I've never heard any MC5 to my knowledge, but god, you bug the living fuck out of me.

Melissa W, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

fellow dud band the stooges

b.w*tson to thread!!

mark s, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Melissa, I want to send you fan mail!

(Is BW a Stooges lover - somehow seems incompatible w/ FZ worship - or on crack like Julio?)

Andrew L, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

bw = on crack AND a stooges lovah!! haha he even gave that iggy/doggy CD a good review (zappa wuv = incompatible with EVERYTHING) (julio do you like zappa? surely not... )

i think the mc5 are overrated, but i may possibly nevah have heard them, i just find the way ppl talk abt them boring

(the first nme i evah bought (1976) had wayne kramer's criminal mugshots on the cover)

mark s, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

The MC5 were fabulous. I've mentioned this before around here.

Curt, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I mentioned them here.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

"i think the mc5 are overrated, but i may possibly nevah have heard them, i just find the way ppl talk abt them boring"

but that's what julio is saying! except then he sees a chance to "break da mould" or something

Bob Zemko, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'High Time' is the best Rock album ever, and has the best closing track ever, drum solo, wobbly saxophones and all. Kick Out The Jams is the most out of tune Rock album ever. Three superlatives. Can any band beat that?

Snotty Moore, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Andrew will think I'm making this up because we strongly disagree about this writer, but I got into an admittedly brief discussion about the MC5 on a John Barth group just a couple of days ago. We liked them a lot, and who knows more about rock music than fans of postmodernist literature? Um...

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I worship the Stooges, etc., ok, but I did own "Kick Out the Jams" and "Back in the USA" (on vinyl, natch) and really found them to be incredibly overrated. Especially the first one. The second one had its moments, but no way was it (to me) worthy of all the fawning praise it gets. This is definately one band that I just don't get, I guess. I mean they're ok. That's all.

Sean, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

You should check out their odds and sods collection "Babes in arms", Sean. I found their studio albums over-produced but "Babes in arms" is fantastic.

Michael Bourke, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Melissa- Are you a radiohead fan? If i bug the living fuck out of you then I am doing something right. So I will keep doing it.

Mark- I have only one Zappa album- Guitar- a 2 CD set of his solos. Good guitarist but he writes some poor arrangements for his fellow players. You can see why some people hate zappa's solo career. But I rather listen to his guitar playing than stooges/MC5.

Iggy gets good reviews from Ben and I couldn't care less. He has 'atitude' but the music sucks, and that's the biggest crime of all.

'i think the mc5 are overrated, but i may possibly nevah have heard them, i just find the way ppl talk abt them boring'

that's because they are boring. I could try and analyse Kick out of the jams and give a blow by blow account on this album but life is too short, and I have to catch up on my anthony braxton CDs.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Im with Melissa on this one, in fact I think Im in love

kiwi, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Why is 'Kick Out the Jams' a masterpiece?"

Because, rather simply and bluntly put, it ROCKS! Have ye not ears? Listen to that riff!!!!

Don't be such a knee-jerk critic-o-phobe. It undermines your argument, and just makes you look like a contrarian. True, critics do slather needlessly all over certain artists, but in this particular case, I'd wager they're on to something.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

[ppl talk abt them boringly => they are boring] => braxton is boring QED

HOWEVER: [[A => B] => C] = [-C => - [A => B]].

Hence ppl talk abt them boringly for othah reasons

mark s, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Wow, someone sounds like a total prat. Doesn't bug the living fuck out of me though. Just makes me giggle.

Anyway, I like the MC5. Good rawk and roll and hysterical banter. I'd love to see someone prove that it is "bad" though. Hehehehe.

Alex in SF, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

i. everything I've ever heard by them sounds like it would have been better live. maybe you had to BE there, in time and in space. they were so sloppy and patchy and not-quite-gelling-as-a-concept that anybody looking for a Great Band to Love is going to be disappointed with them, i think.

ii. that said, if you like loud rock n roll from that era there are a lot of great songs, and they way they play them is intense. you can hear them striving to be as blistering as possible; even when they don't achieve it you can hear them trying.

iii. they had a song called "i'm mad like eldridge cleaver's mad".

iv. they practiced dangerous sax.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'Because, rather simply and bluntly put, it ROCKS! Have ye not ears? Listen to that riff!!!! '

Alex- I love listening to the sound of the guitar. But I can't hear what is obvious to you and therefore I will say it's rubbish.

Mark- I did not imply that braxton is boring. What's all that other gibberish.

'Hence ppl talk abt them boringly for othah reasons'

which are?

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'I'd love to see someone prove that it is "bad" though. Hehehehe.'

No, it can't be proven by science. But it doesn't matter.

'Wow, someone sounds like a total prat. Doesn't bug the living fuck out of me though. Just makes me giggle.'

And I don't give a shit either. But all I've done is to disagree with another person's opinion.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

(other gibberish = deft and devastating logical analysis conclusively proving that — given braxton NOT boring (as you and i both agree) — the reason ppl talk boringly abt MC5 cannot merely be that they are boring (whether they are or not)... )

"what are these reasons?" — i haf no idea: logic need not concern itself w.substantive detail (which is lucky for me)

mark s, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Mark- Fair enough.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

And people who say they had 'fire' and 'soul' don't know what the fuck they are on about.

Right, I forgot. Only black men from the 60s with saxophones can make "fiery, soulful" music. Melissa's not the only one you're bugging the fuck out of. And I like Anthony Braxton.

Clarke B., Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'Right, I forgot. Only black men from the 60s with saxophones can make "fiery, soulful" music. Melissa's not the only one you're bugging the fuck out of. And I like Anthony Braxton.'

I actually don't like terms like fire music in relation to free jazz. It's a stupid term made up just to sell this music. Anthony braxton is not 'classfied' as fire. You've read my comment wrongly.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I think it's funny that Julio is getting all Free Jazz snob on us, when the Stooges/MC5 were among the first rock bands to add Out Jazz noodlings to the standard blues/rock mix. The MC5's 'project' of combining James Brown, Sun Ra and The Who isn't so v. far removed from that Miles Davis 'Sly Stone + Stockhausen + Hendrix' formula of the late sixties/early seventies. Could be something to do w/ the 'Detroit Difference' alluded to on Dave Q's thread recently? If nothing else, MC5 manager John Sinclair promoted Art Ensemble gigs, which surely we can all agree was for the greater gd?

Partly I asked this question 'cos I was wondering why the current crop of 'exciting' white boy rock classicists - The Strokes, The Hives, Black Rebel Motorcyle Club etc - totally avoid ANY kind of overtly 'political' content, unlike the MC5.

And I think Wayne Kramer is one of the all-time great rock guitarists, as if such a thing still matters at this late stage in the game...

Andrew L, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I don't like terms like "free" being used for free jazz. It's just as much of a marketing tool, it seems to me, especially now that it's been around for so long. Couldn't one argue that present-day free jazzers are just as staunchly classicist as Wynton? Not that I agree with this, but there's something to it. A lot of free jazzers sneer at their music being "polluted" by fusions with other styles, and cop purist, fiercely protective attitudes towards "their" music.

I know Braxton isn't typically categorized as "fire," I just mentioned him because he had been mentioned quite a few times already in the thread. And I was also trying to pre-empt any snide comments you might care to throw my way about my ignorance of the matter at hand. I don't want to start a fight or anything, I just feel like you're coming across kind of harshly; it's comments like the ones you've been making lately that give fans of experimental and avant- garde music a bad rep.

Clarke B., Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Couldn't one argue that present-day free jazzers are just as staunchly classicist as Wynton? Not that I agree with this, but there's something to it. A lot of free jazzers sneer at their music being 'polluted' by fusions with other styles, and cop purist, fiercely protective attitudes towards 'their' music."

Are you quoting someone here, Clarke? 'Cause if you are, I'd like to see the context. Of course if you look hard enough you'll probably find some classicist free jazz musicians, just as you'll find classicists musicians/fans of any genre. But offhand I can't think of any free jazz purists-- and you'd think that if a lot of them were lurking, that Spring Heel Jack record from last year and the new Matt Shipp would've brought them out of the woodwork big time. These were, after all, very high profile releases by just about the most high profile players out there, and if you go over to, like, freejazz.org, you won't see much if any backlash. So I'm not sure how anyone could reasonably argue that "present-day free jazzers" are as classicist as Wynton.

Not completely sure what this adds to the discussion, 'cause I pretty much agree with you, but the sort of sneering Julio's doing, while obnoxious, is only tangentially related to the defensive purist sneering you're talking about in your last post.

charlie va, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

the worst thing about zappa must be the guitar solos. it's a bunch wanking. zappa without the jokes couldn't be more boring to me. and that seems to be the kinda stuff you are into.

mc5 are ok. some good rocking. as for punk coming out of mc5, or the residents or the stooges or beefheart or whatever. it's not a one- band thing anyway.

olly 360, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'when the Stooges/MC5 were among the first rock bands to add Out Jazz noodlings to the standard blues/rock mix.'

Well, they didn't pull it off with any sort of conviction.

'I think it's funny that Julio is getting all Free Jazz snob on us'

Not at all I love guitar bands like Dead C and Fuchitsusha for instance, electroacoustic music, free improv and a some indie bands like husker du and low and some punk as well. Don't misinterpret my comments on the MC5 to come up with that conclusion.

'The MC5's 'project' of combining James Brown, Sun Ra and The Who'

Well, I rather listen to james brown and sun ra. Yes, and john sinclair I think had the tapes for 'it is forbidden' (recently issued recording of a gig where the arkestra opened for James brown). They may have had the idea but from the records I don't actually think they did a good at putting together these influences to come up with something new or even something to listen to. The band had no 'dynamics'.

'the worst thing about zappa must be the guitar solos. it's a bunch wanking. zappa without the jokes couldn't be more boring to me. and that seems to be the kinda stuff you are into.'

See my comments up there. Other guitarists I like: Keiji haino, Masayuki takayanagi, Michael Morley, Keith levene, Blood Ulmer, derek bailey, keith rowe and yes, Farnk Zappa.

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

noooo!! the worst thing abt zappa IS the "jokes"!! he's just NOT FUNNY!! then the "singing"!! he's a terrible singer!! i don't mind his music anything like as much when he shuts up!!

mark s, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Mark- I read abt this- which is why I thought I'd get a zappa Guitar album. But I'll probably get around to get one of his 'spoken' albums.

I always find it problematic when people try to be funny or when they (lyricists) try 'poetical' langague though I love beeefheart's lyrics.

'but the sort of sneering Julio's doing, while obnoxious' It's not obnoxious is it? I used the f-word in my first post but I just refuse to accept this guff abt MC5.

And i just want to add that terms like 'free' in free jazz don't describe the variety within 'it'. But lets not forget that we use such terms so that we can get some discussion going.

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

MC5's records are inconsistent. "Back in the USA" and "High Time" are both mainly fantastic with some terrible bits, "Kick Out the Jams" is terribly overrated. In fact, I'll be heretical here and say that Blue Oyster Cult do a better version of "Kick Out the Jams" on "Some Enchanted Evening" than the one on Five's debut. Best thing to do is get a copy of "The Big Bang," which does a fine job of distilling them down to what they should have been -- a kickass rocknroll singles band.

J, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Read this thread to figure out why the "highbrow"/"lowbrow" rift will never be closed.

Clarke B., Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Julio, to explain what I mean, it's not so much that you hate the MC5 that bugs people, I don't think. That's fine and fair. It's the little jab at the end - "I've got Anthony Braxton records to listen to" - that reeks. It's like, to paraphrase Charlie (we just talked about this), "Your dumb caveman rock is just no match for the cerebrally visceral free jazz compositions of Anthony Braxton." Your reasons don't really seem to extend beyond your insistence that music like this is stupid, and music like Braxton's is smart. Plus, your list of guitarists reads like a "The Insufferable Hipster's Top Ten Guitar Gods" thread on ILM.

Clarke B., Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

re: zappa vs mc5
i listened to chungas revenge and kick out the jams today and they rocked equally. the thing is, zappa, if he wanted to, could have knocked out 3 'kick out the jams' in one year. just awesome rock riffage, faster than the normal rock at the time, with a hard political message and a bad live mix. but zappa was a nerd like most of us. he obsessed over rock records, jazz records, avante composers etc etc etc. so his records had all these influences coming at us from all over the place all at once. everyone else at the time was just doing whatever their 'niche' was or whatever. i dunno im still drunxor from last night but i do know i love frank zappa for some reason. i dont get the 80's stuff though. thing fish and broadway the hardway are shitty to me right now.

chaki, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ah, Frank Zappa sucks.

J, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

OK i'll try & mention the MC5 in every post i make from now on.

(BTW yes i like them tons...best alb. = "High Time"...everything i'd care to say has already been said here tho)

, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

All I have to add to this thread is that I've never really understood the MC5 so much...taken out of context, it doesn't really seem too rockin', though I'm sure it was certainly more provocative at the time. (I had the same experience with the Clash--never understood what all the ruckus was about until a lot later. So maybe MC5 will click in one day, but for now the stuff I heard on that recent compilation just seemed unreasonably tame after considering all the expectations generated by zee hype.) Stooges, on the other hand, were a blast of raw energy, and I will not deny them.

Sean Carruthers, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'Your reasons don't really seem to extend beyond your insistence that music like this is stupid, and music like Braxton's is smart.'

I accept that I might have implied that BUT as I've said before I like rock. I, in fact, love it. Goddamit, its the first i started listening to.

I've never said the MC5 was caveman rock. They tried to match free jazz WITH rock. Just like, say, the stooges and what I've said is that from listening to the records, they don't pull it off.

'Plus, your list of guitarists reads like a "The Insufferable Hipster's Top Ten Guitar Gods" thread on ILM.'

I'm not being a hipster: someone else started it because I said I liked Zappa's guitar playing (because mark asked me whether I liked zappa and if I was a hipster he wouldn't be on my list). So I cited other guitarists that I liked because that person said it was a load of wanking.

Again, I've listened to many more (Others I didn't mention: D. Boon, Bob mould, Stefan jaworzyn, rudolph grey, etc.). These are all really good guitarists that I like and if some people haven't heard them and they haven't listened to some of the records these people were in then they should give it a go.

Julio Desouza, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

hey doorag if U always mention mc5 and *I* always mention vanessa mae then, er, i don't know what then

mark s, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I've never knowingly heard the MC5 (Andrew I'm sure you must have played some when we worked together so I've probably unknowingly heard them). I wonder about buying one of their records sometime but, whatever.

I think people are being too harsh on Julio though. He's a poster with a limited range of tastes and his position on the MC5 is perfectly consistent. To someone who listens to the stuff he does the MC5 probably sound like Gorillaz do to lots of us, i.e. a misplaced, patronising and botched hybridisation.

Tom, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

What's a doorag?

Tom- my brother likes Goraillaz, so I got to know what they sound like. Unlucky for me.

Julio Desouza, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I don't have any problem with his position. Everyone's entitled to their own point of view. That said, coming off like an arrogant insufferable wank (i.e. my opinion is so so very right and you are an idiot or deluded or misinformed if you disagree) is pretty lame and, IMHO, a perfectly justifiable reason to be harsh in return.

The problem isn't really one of limited tastes, but of limited social skills.

Alex in SF, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

julio - i'm this thing.

tom - nah don't reckon. *everyone* i have *ever known* likes all the same shit he likes,& they all wuv the '5.

duane, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I'm 70% certain (as they say on 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire') that the MC5 wld not be yr cup of tea, Tom.

And I think I'm prob. guilty of overegging the MC5 jazz-rock pud. Most often they sound like The Who...

Andrew L, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

"everyone i know" - a phat lie obv but you know what i mean. or you don't. doesnt everyone else here know lots of "insufferable hipsters"?

, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I only know sufferable hipsters.

Alex in SF, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I think perhaps we've got on Julio's case because we recognise that 'insufferable hipster' impulse in ourselves but just don't express it so nakedly. Apart from enjoying the tunage, I like Destiny's Child etc. because they sort of allow you to say "See, I don't just like groups that have been given The Wire seal of approval."

Andrew L, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

No, you are wrong. We should not listen to what you think because you like mainstream music like Destiny's Child. giggles

Alex in SF, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'That said, coming off like an arrogant insufferable wank (i.e. my opinion is so so very right and you are an idiot or deluded or misinformed if you disagree) is pretty lame and, IMHO, a perfectly justifiable reason to be harsh in return.'

I've no problem with people being harsh to me. Because this is a discussion group and I'm providing some disagreement and I'm more than happy to defend my position. This thread would have been over and done with hadn't I done so.

'The problem isn't really one of limited tastes, but of limited social skills. '

You are the one calling me an 'insufferable wank' so you are the one who needs to work on your social skills but thanks I am highly amused.

Julio Desouza, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Andrew- I like tunes. I've said so elsewhere in this thread.

By the way: I hate a lot of groups that have been give the 'wire' seal of approval as well. Including the MC5.

Julio Desouza, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I can't resist (probably a sign that I should clock out and go home and fall asleep) this:

No, you are! mimes sticking out tongue

Alex in SF, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

OK maybe people have been just harsh enough on Julio - but the thing is he's always like this on every thread surely? I've never found it particularly annoying myself even though I disagree hugely often enough. Why has everyone suddenly decided to call him a wank, point out how much he bugs them etc? Just because it's the MC5?

Tom, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

how do you mime sticking out yr tongue?

(i wasn't calling you a doorag julio, i wuz calling duane doorag a doorag)

mark s, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Melissa started it!

Alex in SF, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

You mime it with great difficulty!

Alex in SF, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Actually, I just said something cause somebody else pointed it out and upon rereading his posts I agreed (probably never noticed before). And I only responded to your response cause I'm awake and I'd said something and I felt duty bound to defend my reasons for saying something. And now I'm just having fun cause I'd hate to have anyone take any of this seriously and start a thread like "Why is everyone on ILM so mean and snarly?"

Alex in SF, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I should mention that saying that someone is coming off like a wank and saying someone is a wank are two different things. Julio was saying things that made him sound wank-y. I'm sure Julio is probably a nice enough guy. John Ashcroft, on the other hand, is a complete and total wank. He is not a very nice guy.

Alex in SF, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Tom- I am not always like this. I am not disagreeing just because I'm bored and I want some entertainment (I'm currently at work. Trying to juggle both work and answering some of these stupid things people have been saying abt me).

I don't care abt insults. Some people will resort to such rubbish but I don't care.

Julio Desouza, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I bought 'Kick out the Jams' on mayday 2000 after being let out of Trafalgar Square by the riot police and I have to say that it is poo. Its not even good as far as radical chic is concerned. Brian May nicked the singer's hairdo, it has the worst nostalgic sleevenotes ever, and worst of all they JAMMED.

owen hatherley, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Julio, DOORAGS ARE.....

Holla

Ramosi, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Wow. Leather doo rags. Will wonders never cease?

Alex in SF, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

listened to Kick Out The Jams this afternoon, conveniently enough. DIG THE CHAOS! i love the mic bleed, the detuned guitars, the ringing feedback echoing throughout, the liquid frenzy, the five-headed ramalama rumble, the desperation, the ridiculousness, the seemingly- unintentional-atonality, the fact that it sounds about twelve trillion decibels...

stevie, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

KOTJ is pretty choice but it's no "Vincebus Eruptum".

How come no-one ever mentions Blue Cheer round here?

duane, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

i can't listen to the MC5, because lots of local bands rip them off. so its nothing to do with the mc5, just that i am SICK AND TIRED with that thang. i think i could quite soon feel similarly about the oblivions. that is *yawn go home you are so boring*. maybe when that thang is over i will be able to appreciate the mc5 for what they were.

di, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...
This thread is horrible. The Five ruled.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 21 April 2005 05:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

yes, 'back in the usa' and 'high time' are great. "looking at you" is fucking classic.

Amon (eman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 05:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think most people listen to Kick out the Jams (which is a little weak) and never make it to the two albums that actually kick ass. Oh well, their loss. I never understood the complaints that Back in the USA was their shitty overproduced album or anything like that. Sure ther are a couple of lame tracks but if you just skip those there's still an amazing album left. I have to confess though that I nominated Back in the USA for the 70s poll when I was actually thinking of High Time. Oops. I didn't bother to change it because I thought "obviously someone else will come along and nominate High Time". I was so wrong.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 21 April 2005 06:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

i think 'kick out the jams' is pretty crap. the only dud on 'back in the usa' imo is the little richard cover.

Amon (eman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 06:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

Tim is right. You are all sad, sad, sad.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 21 April 2005 06:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

"the only dud on 'back in the usa' imo is the little richard cover."

Ah, but the mix of that on Babes in Arms is great.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 21 April 2005 06:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

MC5 are a personal touchstone, my Killing Joke as it were. But I understand the mixed reactions here because they were inconsistent and summoned love/hate reactions. The obvious modern parallel is Sonic Youth whose high-energy forcefields either gel into transcendence or collapse into anarchy depending on the weather. As the late Johnny Thunders told me in 1979: "I saw the MC5 25 times and they were always either really great or really terrible."

I never saw the 5 but I did follow Sonic's Rendezvous Band when I lived in Ann Arbor. Fred Smith was an amazing musician, pushing the envelope of every performance like a jazz saxophonist on a roll. Hearing him play was saturating, like swimming in the ocean: you'd wake up the next day still feeling partially immersed, with your ears ringing and a funny taste in your mouth. Kick Out The Jams!

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

ah, the good days!! everyone looking so much younger...where are they now etc etc.

dave q told me I must listen to 'back in the USA' but you know I keep forgetting! maybe its one for the retirement home.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

apologies if i missed mention of it further up the thread, but the track 'black to comm' alone is justification enough for mc5 veneration.

cb, Thursday, 21 April 2005 11:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Where's the best place to find a decent version of 'Black To Comm'? Had live recordings on a couple of vinyl bootlegs but the sound quality was super-terrible.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

I have a bootleg of early REM doing "I Can Only Give You Everything" live, which I thought (for years) was one of their many great pre-chonic town songs until I got a cassette of "Babes in Arms". Totally great collection. "Sister Anne"!

theophilus jones (theophilus), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

The new Are You Ready to Testify has a fucking HUGELY FULFILLING rendition of "Black to Comm" that practically brings me to orgasm every time I hear it. There are two actually, but the 7:25 version (as opposed to the 11:00) features better sound quality.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Jesus, re-reading this thread, I forgot what a bitter pill Julio can be.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

(I'm guilty of that too, by the way). This is not an attack.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I just re-read the thread and I can't believe that a discussion of the MC5 devolved into petty arguments about Zappa and free jazz. Come on people! LEARN TO ROCK!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

walter r u jack black? gonna teach me abt the counterkulcha too?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 22 April 2005 10:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

Who the fuck had the audacity to mention Zappa on an MC5 thread?!?!? Oh it was mark s! Tut tut. "Back In the USA" is a great pop album.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 April 2005 10:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

I saw an 'unauthorized' showing of the MC5 movie documentary recently. Wow, it was very entertaining. While I can see cynics snearing at the hippieish revolutionary chic aspects, and some of the allegedly corny rawk(a friend likened them to being similar to Grand Funk Railroad), I think they'd still find the movie fascinating. It's too bad Wayne Kramer and the filmmakers can't come to an agreement on releasing this officially. Great old photos, home movies, and interviews with band members, ex-wives, their former manager, and others help convey what the group was all about, and as a historical document of the times. I love the vocals and Wayne and Fred's powerful playing. While at times it's just another VH1 Behind the Music, it's still worth seeing.

steve-k, Friday, 22 April 2005 12:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think they were pretty ordinary, for the most part. (get one copy of "space ritual" or "yeti", heh) I don't think they rocked very well either. They are, I think, one of the most overrated bands ever, and their posturing strikes me as being somewhat embarrasing. I'm sure there's at least one other mc5 thread around here - mc5 vs the stooges perhaps? I kind of miss julio's hardass manner, a bit.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Blue Oyster Cult do a better version of "Kick Out the Jams" "

I'd just like to say that this is shite.

everything, Friday, 22 April 2005 18:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

The best MC5 record I've ever heard is a live bootleg from January 1, 1970 - it's now part of the Are You Ready To Testify box mentioned earlier. Big problem, though - 2 seconds of silence inserted between tracks. Hope they removed that for the new version.

I don't like the 5 much, though. I prefer Grand Funk. Just bought the remasters of their first 3 albums the other week. They sound amazing.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

walter r u jack black?

I wish.

(get one copy of "space ritual" or "yeti", heh)

Those are two of my all time faves but not really the same kind of thing are they? Yeti's a great proggy Jefferson Airplane trip and Space Ritual is a transcendently minimal slab of sludge more in the spirit of the Stooges and Blue Cheer. Neither have the hyper ice-pick-in-your-ear goood olde time rock-and-rool teenage lust of the MC5. Plus talking bout the MC5 makes me want to type and spell like a real idiot.

Seriously though, in what way were they pretty ordinary? Please point me to some more songs that sound like Looking at You, Human Being Lawnmower, or Future/Now because I'd really love to hear them. I can't see how anyone would think they're overrated either since they barely seem to be rated at all. They get about 1/20th of the love and acclaim that the Stooges get (for example) and they're at least half as good.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Blue Oyster Cult do a better version of "Kick Out the Jams" "

I'd just like to say that this is shite.

Three years later, I'll stand by that claim!

J (Jay), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

See the movie doc if you get a chance...

steve-k, Friday, 22 April 2005 19:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

They are, I think, one of the most overrated bands ever, and their posturing strikes me as being somewhat embarrasing.

if you're basing this solely on Kick Out The Jams, then yes.. but that doofus Sinclair was out of the mix after that for the most part (thank god), and so their two studio albums have markedly less posturing (if at all). and walter otm as far as comparisons to Amon Duul and Hawkwind. actually walter otm in general.

Amon (eman), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Over and Over" is one of their best songs. also Rob Tyner is one of the greatest rock vocalists imo. what a pair of lungs he had.

Amon (eman), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm suprised that no one's mentioned The Presidents Of The United States Of America and their goofy rewrite of KOTJ:

I've been elected to rock your asses 'til midnight
This is my term and I've shaved off my perm
but it's alright...

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

SKUNK (SONICLY SPEAKING)

It is perfect. That is all.

J (Jay), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

OTM

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

Chris Ballew of TPOTUSA was one of their guests on the Seattle gig last summer.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

I am thinking of what Lester Bangs' reaction would be to someone calling the Five ordinary and telling people to buy Amon Duul and Hawkwind records.

Just reading this old Christgau piece on them and check this out:

"The warm-up was the Popcorn Blizzard (good), the Psychedelic Stooges (awful), and some blather about a religion called Zenta (weird)."

Whoa. Christgau saw the Popcorn Blizzard!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 April 2005 04:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wait, Popcorn Blizzard? That was Meatloaf right?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 23 April 2005 05:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Right-o.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 April 2005 05:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

It just occurred to me that the music that the most similar (sonically speaking) to the MC5 is Raw Power and the Stooges outtakes like I'm Sick of you, Tight Pants, I got a right, etc. Not coincidentally, this is the Stooges stuff that everyone complains is mixed wrong or too trebly or boo hoo hoo. It's also of course the greatest stuff Iggy ever did.

People always complain that the MC5 (and the original Raw Power mix) are not "heavy" enough. Sure heavy is great, sludge is cool and Blue Cheer, Sabbath, Hawkwind, Motorhead, etc. did it best. But it's a totally different thing. MC5 weren't trying to be "heavy" by some kind of lame drop-tuned, scooped mids, cookie monster measure of modern heaviness and I think people too often try to judge them by that yardstick.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 23 April 2005 05:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't really give a shit about lester bangs, I'm afraid, sorry.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 23 April 2005 08:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

don't be sorry...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 23 April 2005 08:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

And they are overrated, I mean I don't recall ever reading anything about them in music papers/mags etc that was anything less than fulsomely praiseful (heh) and it gets kind of tiresome seeing it, I mean, I just don't think they were that great! They were OK, I guess.

The reason I mentioned Hawkwind and Amon Duul is that they were both the kind of similar political/underground thing, maybe the pink fairies were a better brit eqiv than hawkwind? (they probably wished! haha) I like them a lot better than the mc5 as well, though. "What a Bunch of Sweeties" is fucking awesome!

In this context I don't really much care about heaviness either, I mean I really like the early seventies heavy sound - sabbath, hawkwind etc, but what I don't dig about the mc5 is that they just don't rock me. The Stooges rocked, Black Sabbath rocked, the mc5 just kind of ... played fast. bleh.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 23 April 2005 08:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

By which I mean that if I listen to "raw power", it makes me want to pick up my guitar and play along w/it, and it rocked even in the original version, whereas if I listen to "kick out the jams" it makes me want to put the stooges on instead!

And yeah, innit terrible that some people have the nerve to not like the same music you do!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 23 April 2005 09:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Better 70s Detroit: Stooges VS MC5?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 23 April 2005 09:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

"And yeah, innit terrible that some people have the nerve to not like the same music you do!"

I couldn't say the same thing about your comments?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

No, not really.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

whereas if I listen to "kick out the jams"

Most of the MC5 defenders on this thread made it clear that this is not the album we're talking about.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

OK, I'm sorry I made the Lester Bangs joke. The Five were grebt. Get one Babes in Arms.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

Not to say that there's not a lot of greatness on the two Atlantic albums.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

And fwiw I think Lester seemed a little blind to Krautrock in that famous "How to Be a Rock Critic" piece I was alluding to -- refusing to admit that Can were the greatest!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Pashmina, you don't even like Back In The U.S.A.? I love that album. and i love all the live bootleg/demo stuff more than kick out the jams the album. and, yeah, babes in arms is great. i think their blend of chuck berry/psych/jazz/R&B/garage/hardrock could be truly inspired. and man, i love those guitars.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's not that I can't understand how someone wouldn't like the MC5 but I do think it's weird if you like the Pink Fairies and the Stooges but not the MC5. It seems like you're missing out on something you would actually like if you approached it in the right way.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

Not really, No, Scott. Something about the way they played together just doesn't do it for me. The only thing I really like about them is the way they looked, kind of archetypal bad-ass rockstars (see also velvet revolver, heh)

Do you dig the pink fairies, Scott?

(x-post what I like abt the fairies = raga rock guitar solos, general feel of band, the singer, their vers of "walk don't run" is just about the best thing ever for me today what I like abt the stooges = they rocked) - a bunch of my friends are really into the mc5, but try as I might, I just can't connect w/the music.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

actually, I would be interested in hearing a verion of 'black to comm' that cameron mentioned (hi cameron!). didn't spaceman 3 do a cover of that ('revolution')? xxp => I'll have to check the pink fairies out

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

even i would take the stooges worst album (raw power) over 'kick out the jams.'

i saw that pink faeries record recently and it looked pretty cool. what's it like?

Amon (eman), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

**It's not that I can't understand how someone wouldn't like the MC5 but I do think it's weird if you like the Pink Fairies and the Stooges but not the MC5.**

each to his own, but...liking the Pink Fairies but not liking MC5 = liking Badfinger but not liking the Beatles.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i like the pink fairies. and deviants. and twink. and hawkwind. and...look, i like most of it. i might even be a bigger groundhogs fan than i am an MC5 fan. but MC5 really were a bloozy/soul/R&B/Detroit hard rock band, not a psych band. even though they could play for days and get really noisy and stuff. and they could be sloppy as hell too, but those guitars!!! Hell, I own 5 Brownsville Station albums, so maybe i'm not the most clear-headed when it comes to this kinda thing.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

i mean, if i saw 3 or 4 reasonably priced amboy dukes bootlegs in a record store somewhere, i would probably buy them.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Pash, have you heard 'High Time'? It sounds nothing like either 'Back in the USA' or 'Kick Out the Jams'.

J (Jay), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

Just listening to "Right on Fight on" -- you can definitely see someone thinking of the Fairies as a sort of English MC5, but they're just nowhere near as DYNAMITE. Lovebug otm.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

Scott can prob. describe "What a Bunch of Sweeties" better than I can, I think it's great. I can remember when I first heard it, there's this bit on "Walk Don't Run", where the band breaks down, and picks up into this great raga-rock a la 1971-72 solo. It fucking burned into my mind the first time I heard it! I didn't hear it again until years later, and I remembered it just about perfectly, 20yrs later, I still get off on cranking it up & listening to it. The album has a couple of duff tracks, but the band sounds so nice, all loose-but-together and not quite tuned up perfectly, so it's got this kind of swirl about it, and the singer has this nice slightly out-of-it delivery that even the duff tracks are kind of enjoyable.

+ the Groundhogs "Hoggin' the Stage" that's a fucking lost gem of fucking ROCK if ever there was one, eh? How could 3 people make such a RICH sound?

X-post I've heard them all FFS!

I think the people who thought of the fairies as a brit mc5 most were the fairies themselves, but, y'know, PAUL RUDOLPH, man!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

I mean I'm an old fart! I remember, years ago, "received wisdom" was that the only one worth bothering with was "Kick out the Jams" and the other stuff was sort of, I dunno, second rate in s ome way, if you can beleive that!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

Recently I listened to The Frost (guitarist Dick Wagner's 60s Detroit band)for ol' times sake and if you think MC5 are dumb bloozers..."Rock & Roll Music" makes "Kick Out The Jams" sound like "Good Vibrations." The Frost did have some cool psych tunes.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

I mean I'm an old fart! I remember, years ago, "received wisdom" was that the only one worth bothering with was "Kick out the Jams" and the other stuff was sort of, I dunno, second rate in s ome way, if you can beleive that!

Yeah, I believe that as it's ths standard critical line on them. The fact that everyone judges them by their worst album is why I think the band is underrated (though I'll concede that one album is overrated). Your statement kind of implies that you haven't really listened to them in years and when you did you were listening with the baggage of "received wisdom." But I guess that's fair enough. MC5 might be one of those bands where if you don't hear it when you're a teenager you'll never hear it.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

On the other hand, they were so transcendentally great that you'd have to think that the possibility would certainly exist for some individuals to come around.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

you can't really look to MC5 for what you get with the Stooges. the latter gave off a dark, fucked-up heroin vibe while the former was always upbeat and caffeinated. the Stooges wanted to pummel their audience into the ground while MC5 wanted to energize them into some kind of action.

Amon (eman), Sunday, 24 April 2005 01:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2008/08/the-john-sebast.html

schlump, Monday, 1 September 2008 13:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm not a huge fan of the ROCK these days but I respectively submit that any fan of 70s guitar music needs to have "I Can Only Give You Everything" and "Looking At You" in their collection. While they may not have actually ever hit that transcendental moment, for me their best tunes always have them striving for it.

factcheckr, Monday, 1 September 2008 13:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't know. maybe because i think YES to i can only give you everything (who wrote that?, by the way? i know it's like a nuggets staple you can hear van morrison &c doing), but not necessarily yes to looking at you. but i think their most interesting stuff isn't so rock. even if it's stupid-heavy, things like come together aren't really riff-rockin' classics. and then there's the totally not-rock stuff, revolutionary blues and skunk and stuff. i don't think their best stuff's abides to the form of heavy-ass rock-songs or anything.

schlump, Monday, 1 September 2008 14:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think I Can Only Give You Everything was originally written for the Troggs by one of those songwriting teams, but every garage band and his dog did a version of it.

Colonel Poo, Monday, 1 September 2008 14:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've got "Trogglodynamite" which is where I know it from.

Mark G, Monday, 1 September 2008 14:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

lyrics are kinda cheese but that electric autoharp sounds amazing

Brio, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Brio, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

#

Brio, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know there was another rockin' electric autoharp player. I mean, aside from the guy from Cold Sun.

Gorgeous Ladies Of Curling (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also that Ted Taylor tune is fucking boss

Gorgeous Ladies Of Curling (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was kind of surprised when I first heard it to hear how close the MC5 stayed to the original - obviously they rock it up a bit, but all the good stuff in their version is right there in the Ted Taylor tune.

Brio, Thursday, 25 February 2010 15:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

The comparison between those two videos is like the perfect example why rock music sucks compared to R&B/soul. That MC5 dude can't sing at all, and the awesome groove is lost under guitar theatrics.

Tuomas, Friday, 26 February 2010 14:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

awww come on. there's room for awesome R&B grooves and bad singing/guitar theatrics rock music in the world.

Brio, Friday, 26 February 2010 15:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

One thing that flips my wig on that Ted Taylor 45 is the production is credited to Billy Sherrill, which is probably is the same guy eventually known for the country-politan sound of early 70s recordings by George Jones, Tammy Wynette and Charlie Rich.

The music biz used to be a way smaller place.

earlnash, Sunday, 28 February 2010 05:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

RIP Michael Davis:

Michael Davis, the bassist of influential late 1960s rock band MC5, has died of liver failure, his wife said Saturday. He was 68.

Davis died at Enloe Medical Center in Chico, Calif., on Friday afternoon after a month-long hospitalization for liver disease, said Angela Davis.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 19 February 2012 05:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

aw man

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 February 2012 05:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

RIP

I stood frontrow before him during the '04 reunion show here. After the show I swiped his setlist only to have this cute girl ask me to see it and run away after I handed it over.

Fortunately I was able to get back to the stage to steal Marshall Crenshaw's copy.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 February 2012 06:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is deeply saddening. A good friend of mine played with him in Destroy All Monsters, had nothing but nice things to say about him.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 19 February 2012 06:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh shit.

i was facebook 'friends' with him, he always seemed very happy and content and full of life. what a fucking huge bummer

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

;_;

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Looking over thread...

One thing that flips my wig on that Ted Taylor 45 is the production is credited to Billy Sherrill, which is probably is the same guy eventually known for the country-politan sound of early 70s recordings by George Jones, Tammy Wynette and Charlie Rich.

The music biz used to be a way smaller place.

Billy Sherrill also produced some of The Remains studio stuff. Also, I have a copy of Jerry Lee Lewis doing "Ramblin' Rose" near the end of his Sun tenure. Supposedly he recorded it first, but his version didn't hit the streets 'til '69-70.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man, so sad to hear. <3 you always.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 19 February 2012 09:19 (2 years ago) Permalink


their earliest footage unless I'm mistaken.
Shows them off as dandyish, I always thought they were a jeans & tshirt band until I heard that they had wives and girlfriends making a lot of clothes for them.

Sorry to hear about Mike Davis, hope he didn't suffer too much at the end. He was in hospital for a month. So have to assume he must have been.

Do wish somebody would release a compi of whatever complete footage with sound there is. Would love to see a True Testimonial released, it's a pretty good film.
So wonder if this death will trigger any new releases. A remastered set of lps would be good too. & will assume that Easy action will rerelease Purity, Accuracy the box set of rehearsal & live material.

Stevolende, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aww RIP Mike Davis.

Been listening to High Time like crazy lately, kind of an amazing record and I wish it hadn't taken me forever to get that.

Will the waveform be unbroken? (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 19 February 2012 13:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

My brother texted me this news this morning. RIP Mike D. MC2 now?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just reading various stuff about him on the internet this evening and it sounds like he was a genuinely good dude all round.

Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

woooah, some people here seem to totally miss the point of the mc5. man, this is some fucking batshit freak the fuck out wild music. the energy and vibe they put out is phenomenal and they definitely set a high note for that kinda style. if you don't feel it, that's cool, but I'll never get enough of it.

Spectrum, Thursday, 13 December 2012 00:59 (1 year ago) Permalink


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