Thanks.Bests
― Matt B (aerial1), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 11:02 (7 years ago) Permalink
ysi for 'black out' I posted last week to noise ysi is still up
― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:33 (7 years ago) Permalink
Uh, a friend of mine is sending me a mixtape song by song and "Disengaged" by Grouper just came on, obliterating all songs of this year before it. What is known of this "GROUPER"?
http://www.typerecords.com/artists/full.php?id=48
― Z S, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 05:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
Friends description: "Liz Harris is from Poland, and she's got a few musical projects that run the gamut from spacey Hope Sandoval type music to this, a combination of drone soundscapes and lo-fi broken east-european folk. That description is a misnomer - think folk and you imagine exactly what Grouper is not. This music has more in common with the Microphones than Devendra Banhart, and her real draw isn't her mastery of narrative po-dunk lyrics - it's her soul-melting, beautiful ethereal voice and her ear for incredibly moody - albeit lo-fi - recording aesthetics. Imagine one of the Deheza twins becoming obsessed with fuzz pedals and dark psychedelia. As Grouper, she's begun to manipulate her voice in the same manner that she does every other recorded instrument on her projects. On this first song from her newest album, her voice follows hand in hand the melody of the rhodes-come-blown-out-leslie. I can't tell what she's saying, and it truely does not make a difference to me. The atmosphere is beautiful, her voice is beautiful, and the emotions she is conveying - terrible though they must be - are beautiful as well."
― Z S, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 05:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
she's from Portland, not Poland
― resolved, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
Here you go:
http://www.myspace.com/grouperrepuorg
Looks like she logged in today.
We are so lucky to have her here. I've seen some really great (and always unassuming) sets from her in coffee shops, in the park...
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
Love Grouper. New album is ace. Can't wait to get the vinyl.
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
New album is brilliant. Up there with Inca Ore's release, my best release of the year so far (I think).
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:03 (4 years ago) Permalink
YES! I'm really digging the new one. I loved it so much that I bought a couple of her previous releases. Can't wait to get them in the mail.
― Bill in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:28 (4 years ago) Permalink
high praise from this review:
foxy digitalis : reviews: Grouper "Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill" http://www.foxydigitalis.com/foxyd/reviews.php?which=3440
"This is an amazing album that will most likely remain a highlight release for the year. " 10/10
― djmartian, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:28 (4 years ago) Permalink
'grouper' CDR EP - (heavier noiser mixes of her first recordings, most of these were remixed for the first album) 'way their crept' LP - still my favorite, her harmonies & the absurd levels of tape delay bury the songs but the songs are still there 'he knows he knows he knows' EP - like the 1st LP, just as great 'wide' LP - follows on from the first LP, heavier & spacier and more intense, maybe a less instantly memorable group of songs but I need to go back and check 'flashlights: eckords' - collaboration with violinist jorge boehringer, very very very spaced xiu xiu vs. grouper - 'creepshow' - haven't heard 'cover the windows and walls' EP - only have mp3s of this so haven't spent as much time with it -- never even saw this in stores, but it's songs 'dragging a dead deer up a hill' LP - this is going to do very well for her, she's pulled back on the delays but everything still sounds covered in silt and her songwriting has taken a jump forward
she's one to watch
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
Ok, I finally listened to the rest of the songs for the first time, and yes, they're all great. Not enough have just straight up said "What a graceful voice", and they should. This is peaceful death music, I love it.
I predict I will post about this again on August 3rd of this year, because that's the day I finally get back home. And when I arrive, there's going to be a small pile of her records because I'm going to have to drunkenly order a good half of those LPs and EPs Milton just mentioned. Not the Xiu Xiu one, though.
― Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'm going to save the S-word too - Slowdive. This wouldn't be out of place on Pygmalion.
― Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:28 (4 years ago) Permalink
I will also say it.
― Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:39 (4 years ago) Permalink
If this was a dude, you wouldn't care
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
Well, at least I still get to care about something, which is a nice consolation prize.
― Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:50 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, still fucking awesome. This is off the newest one:
Heavy Water/I'd Rather be Sleeping
and I have two other (better) songs from Dragging a Dead Deer up a Hill here: http://headofstate.muxtape.com/
And this is a little older. HERE
― Z S, Saturday, 19 July 2008 07:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
got new lp in the other day
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 19 July 2008 10:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
I missed buying that Dragging A Dead Deer album, can't find it anywhere. Any leads?
― sleeve, Saturday, 19 July 2008 17:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
http://www.boomkat.com/search.cfm?q=grouper
― Z S, Monday, 21 July 2008 06:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
There's a dude here in Portland who's just as good as Grouper. His project is called Dragging An Ox Through Water.
― Nate Carson, Monday, 21 July 2008 09:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
Finally got the new one today...So amazing. Like, one of the best things I've heard all year. Its been a long time since I've been able to just sit down and let an album wash over me, but this has done it. "Stuck" in particular just makes me swoon. The melodies on this are amazing! I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.
― jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
Is very good, that new one.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:10 (4 years ago) Permalink
what is it called?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
"Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill"
Best album title ever too!!!
― jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.
Have you got it yet? Is it good? Did you order it from her website? How much was it?
Yeah, I'm still really, really into the new one. It only sounds better as it gets colder and more leaves fall off the trees.
― Z S, Sunday, 5 October 2008 19:52 (4 years ago) Permalink
nice
― czn (cozwn), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 13:09 (4 years ago) Permalink
vaguely recall a mention on ILX and an Inca Ore connection (blown away Ms. Saelens live recently, her LP one of few sweet spots of '08 for me)...
must investigate further!
also, this Grouper LP punching well above it's weight in obscurity here http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2008
― fandango, Sunday, 14 December 2008 08:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
The inca ore and grouper split is from 2007. It's ok, sort of a bridge between her first records and the minimalistic approach of guitar/voice style that she used on 'dragging a dead dear'.
― Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:10 (4 years ago) Permalink
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/inca_ore___grouper/split/
― Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
Has anybody deciphered the lyrics to 'heavy water/I'd rather be sleeping'? - so far I can only make up: 'love is enormous / it's lifting me up / i'd rather be sleeping / i'd rather fall in your tidal waves / right where the deepest currents pull'
― Moka, Monday, 22 December 2008 07:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
this album ! :-O
really really good.
― fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, June 23, 2008 2:43 AM
― (Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 22:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
If she was a dude she would still be 1000x more interesting than Fleet Fuxxes
― fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:46 (4 years ago) Permalink
^^real talk. 'Dead Deer' is on my top ten list of the year, but I don't know what she looks like (if looks are what's implied). And well, imagining the vocals as coming from a he, well that's just silly.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
btw, I wasn't quoting that as in "I agree with this", I was quoting that as in
― (Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 23:58 (4 years ago) Permalink
I want to say something about how this album unfolds it's pleasures like a flower, at about the same speed, without it sounding dirty.
Possibly the most gorgously intimate and non "produced" sounding thing I've heard all year too. She might as well be in the room.
― fandango, Sunday, 28 December 2008 23:03 (4 years ago) Permalink
This goes down well with a copy of Chris Ware's graphic novel The Smartest Kid on Earth and my Mom's fried boneless fish.
― dreamsonvhs, Saturday, 11 April 2009 07:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
Plenty of us care about Sonic Boom!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 April 2009 09:06 (4 years ago) Permalink
I picked this up on a whim today from amazon's mp3 store, where it's on sale for $1.99. It's remarkably gorgeous!
― Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
by "this" I mean the Dragging a Dead Deer album
Deeply amused by "fart alert"
― Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 16:55 (4 years ago) Permalink
That's a damn good price (I paid $14.99 retail) and almost makes me want to switch over to buying in digital format... but not really. xpost
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
That's exactly my sentiment, ilxor. But if a crazy low price like that leads to more people getting into her music, it's all for the better. She deserves it.
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:44 (4 years ago) Permalink
Baffling, pointless review on Tinymixtapes of the live show:
The show is sold out, but most fans are waiting to pile in after the opening act, Grouper — a one-woman showcase of bullshit. Imagine Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters. I try to salvage something from the fuzzy reverb and her long, lonely wails, but I can’t stop picturing her masturbating in front of a full-length mirror. Self-indulgence, indeed.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
...but you write for tinymixtapes.com
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
ugh.
― picture me lolin' (Alan N), Friday, 12 June 2009 16:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
Really? That's news to me!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
if you're going to choose such an ambiguous username...
― suggestzybandias (jim), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason. I saw my comment this morning and wondered what the hell I was talking about, because I don't really have any beef with tinymixtapes.com.
That AOL sonned thread has me thinking about who I do and do not have beefs with today.
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's kinda weird with reviews like that where you can't tell if the reviewer is trying to be funny... or if they're just trying to come up with the most awe-inspiring humorless zings to satisfy their explosive rage at the act in question.
― guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 June 2009 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't really mind Enya as a reference (Enya is pretty awesome imo tho) and I have been digging pretty heavily on Dead Deer for the last couple weeks.
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters is the kind of stuff my friends say about the downtempo balearic cheeze i listen to. it kind of goes hand in hand with "elevator music for grad students", a term which used to bug me but i think i'm ok with it know
― guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason.
Ah, makes sense now. I laughed out loud. Nice one.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
WAY THEIR CREPT and DRAGGING A DEAD DEER are two of my favorite records right now. Is there any other stuff out there like this? Melodic, atmospheric, experimental, droning, and emotional?
― dreamsonvhs, Friday, 12 June 2009 23:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
this album is kinda staggered by the one two punch of heavy water and stuck
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
dead deer obv
I really wish we could edit the title of this thread!
― PIN number at the ATM Machine (Z S), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 22:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
Video for HOLD THE WAY
http://www.thefader.com/2009/10/07/video-grouper-hold-the-way/
― dreamsonvhs, Thursday, 8 October 2009 16:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Should have mentioned I saw her last month as the final act of the On Land festival. Entrancing, mesmerizing, etc -- if a band like School of Seven Bells is (mostly) about shoegaze as propulsion and pop, Grouper is (mostly) about it as immersion and flow.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2009 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gooooorgeous live set over at the free music archive http://freemusicarchive.org/curator/WFMU/blog/ATP-NY_2009_Grouper_MP3 From ATP last month ...
― tylerw, Thursday, 8 October 2009 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
saw her columbia university when she was in NY for ATP. was great. loved the swirls of white noise running through the whole set.
― ( - _ - ); (Alan N), Thursday, 8 October 2009 17:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm pretty sure I'm going to splash out and see her on Sunday, based on these last few comments. Anybody disagree with the decision?
― The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 30 October 2009 00:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Glasgow then? See you there!
― krakow, Friday, 30 October 2009 09:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
Didn't know there were UK/Euro dates! Would love to see her live. Don't think I can make any of them, sadly, but I'll have to think about it.
I have fallen in love with (mp3s of) her tour split 7" from last year with City Center and it's totally out of print, alas. Anyone know if there is a tour release this time round, so I can act more promptly?
― ein fisch schwimmt im wasser · fisch im wasser durstig (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 30 October 2009 12:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
Are the new myspace tracks "Hold The Way" and "Vessel" available to download anywhere?
― plazzTT, Friday, 30 October 2009 12:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
(just noticed Vessel EP coming out in Late 2009)
― plazzTT, Friday, 30 October 2009 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
she had this 7" when I saw her but not the city center split:
http://www.discogs.com/Grouper-He-Knows-He-Knows-He-Knows/release/1771400
― ( - _ - ); (Alan N), Friday, 30 October 2009 13:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
as a 7"? I bought that from her as a 3" CD.
― sleeve, Friday, 30 October 2009 21:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
yep, as a 7"
― ( - _ - ); (Alan N), Saturday, 31 October 2009 21:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Went to see her play on Friday night. It was pleasant if unremarkable, she only played for 40 minutes too.
― Number None, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't get that complaint. Forty minutes is a perfectly reasonable amount of time for a set, imo.
― Trip Maker, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
if you only have 1 album and only charge a fiver then maybe
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Wasn't really a complaint, more of an observation. It was actually a double headline show with some noise dude, tickets were 12.50. It was BYOB though so worked out cheap enough.
― Number None, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
doesn't she have three albums?
― The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Sunday, 1 November 2009 16:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Has a Grouper / Julianna Barwick tour happened yet? Seriously would be an awesome double bill.
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 1 November 2009 17:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
Great live set from London in Nov 2009 available to download free here: http://milesofsmiles.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=548002
― Barnaby, Hardly, Friday, 12 February 2010 12:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
i wonder if this dude ever interviewed grouper
― tza tziki sauce (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 February 2010 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
I missed this news:
Grouper to release two new albumshttp://www.factmag.com/2011/01/21/grouper-to-release-two-new-albums/
“The process of making these albums reacquainted me with what I want to explore in music,” she continues. “Friction, exploration of something large and outside of me, describing and traveling to intangible objects and places, unseen movements and connections between people and spaces. Songs that move on their own, that have an autonomous monstrous quality, songs from another world.”
― seminal fuiud (NickB), Monday, 24 January 2011 10:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
A I A, TWO PART VINYL, SELF RELEASE, APRIL 11th, 2011. Vinyl can be ordered through Mississippi Records, digital downloads will be available as of the 4/11/2011. CONSISTS OF: -DREAM LOSS, FULL LENGTH 12", GR-006A. -ALIEN OBSERVER, FULL LENGTH 12", GR-006B.**Mississippi is no longer taking orders for this. If folks are still wanting vinyl (digital will be widely available, I have a direct agreement with a distributor) this summer than will repress**
aw man. i hope this is gonna be in stores, and stuff, on wax.
― your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Friday, 25 March 2011 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
ahhhhhhh annoying
― 69, Friday, 25 March 2011 22:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
sux
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Friday, 25 March 2011 23:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
I like that she's releasing the stuff on FLAC. I won't pay for mp3s, and the vinyl is just too hard to get a hold of.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 25 March 2011 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
she is actually really righteous about re-pressing her LPs, which seems kinda unusual now. like i saw her a while back and was psyched to pickup dragging a deer ..., which i'd figured was one of those things i'd never get because i slept on it in the first place. there's a note inside saying it's pressing three. so it's cool that the vinyl is gettable and isn't going to disappear. hopefully some of this has been ordered by stores, anyhow, i can't really tell.
― your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Saturday, 26 March 2011 01:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Samples up on Amazon...
Dream Losshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004TPTL0W/
Alien Observerhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004TPTNTG/
― Barnaby, Hardly, Saturday, 26 March 2011 15:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is a funny group to listen to samples of.
― j., Sunday, 27 March 2011 04:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
"group"
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Sunday, 27 March 2011 06:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
er...
― larry buttz (Z S), Sunday, 27 March 2011 06:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
yknow. them all. with the name. the entity.
― j., Sunday, 27 March 2011 06:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
FUCK. I have a decent amount of Grouper vinyl but failed to get paid in time.
― the worst dong of the last ten years (Craigo Boingo), Sunday, 27 March 2011 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
I emailed Mississippi a few weeks ago, and no fucking reply. Fuck them and their shadow way of doing things.
― van smack, Sunday, 27 March 2011 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
another ltd release ive missed out on by grouper. At least I got the early ones i suppose but this is annoying
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 27 March 2011 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
hoping this shows up on some distros
― tyler 'scratch' perry (diamonddave85), Sunday, 27 March 2011 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
bummed that i can't order it, but...
can we talk about how awesome this release is going to be, musically?
― larry buttz (Z S), Sunday, 27 March 2011 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
^ a good example of why buying vinyl sucks
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Monday, 28 March 2011 04:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
eh, same thing would happen if she pressed a stupidly limited amount of cds
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Monday, 28 March 2011 13:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
there is a newie that is up on pitchfork that i can't listen to because i'm at work; thought getting someone here to describe it would be a worthwhile exercise, what with her music lending itself to extravagant prose. would also like to hear reviews of what one can deduce about her new lp based on thirty second low quality samples.
― your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Fuck you, Mississippi
― van smack, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mailed mississippi to ask whether any of these were going out anywhere, and they said yes: small quantities going to Forced Exposure, Revolver, CTD, Thrill Jockey, Reckless, Fusetron, Aquarius and Boomkat. so hopefully there should be a shot at picking some up in stores or online in advance. see, they are cool guys.
― your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
anyone seen her recently? she's playing here next saturday
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
There'll be a re-press in the summer.
― plazzTT, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 17:19 (Yesterday) Bookmark
yeah, a couple of months back. it was great; i'd seen her a couple of times before but this was the best, which might've been the venue but, whatever. i can't really remember what she played but then i don't think that's the point, with her, live.
― your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
You can pre-order AIA with Ed Hardy at Eclipse Records, btw. Each disc is twenty bucks.
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, I've seen her over the last year or so. if you're a fan, definitely go. you'll be into it.\
xpost
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
also saw her do a long-form set once where she was working primarily with tapes. the weather was unbelievably humid and there was zero ventilation in the venue. it was crazy - felt like I was on the verge of hallucinating!
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is awesome
― Z S, Monday, 11 April 2011 02:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Dude I met at a potluck this weekend is a total Grouper freak, kinda funny.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 11 April 2011 02:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Make me a tape, Zach? I will return the favor. C'mon.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 11 April 2011 02:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
webmailed ya sean
― Z S, Monday, 11 April 2011 02:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
― ridic beau (NickB), Monday, 11 April 2011 09:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
so great
what i did get to hear of liz last night was lovely . . . but, dearest brooklyn scenesters, why would you go to a grouper show . . . and talk the whole way through it? ugh
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 17 April 2011 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Heads up, Volcanic Tongue has the LPs in stock... https://www.volcanictongue.com/artists/browse_all/8947
― Barnaby, Hardly, Sunday, 17 April 2011 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
at twice the price of everywhere else?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 April 2011 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i have been scanning for these non-stop but damn.
― Turtle: No dancing (schlump), Sunday, 17 April 2011 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's VT. And you gotta add postage to that too.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 April 2011 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
Was she selling the new album at the show last night? I'm going to see her tonight and I'm wondering if I should bring extra $$$ for the album...
― jonathan - stl, Sunday, 17 April 2011 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
but, dearest brooklyn scenesters, why would you go to a grouper show . . . and talk the whole way through it? ugh
yeah, can't stand this shit.
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Sunday, 17 April 2011 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
look forward to hearing this...love grouper.
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Sunday, 17 April 2011 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Keenan's VT review is spot-on. These are both incredible albums. I think "Dream Loss" is my favorite of the two, but I'd be surprised if I hear anything else this year that tops either. Such desolate, haunting music...
― Professor Respect, Sunday, 17 April 2011 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
they kind of feel like weird enya albums.
― j., Sunday, 17 April 2011 23:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Was she selling the new album at the show last night?
nope. at the merch table they told me the only place that has them is Other Music
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 18 April 2011 03:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
That's lame. Touring off a new album(s) and not being able to sell it at your own show because it's so damn limited? I know it's available digitally but WTF
― Z S, Monday, 18 April 2011 04:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
at twice the price of everywhere else?― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, April 17, 2011 Bookmark
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, April 17, 2011 Bookmark
Yep, that is pretty pricey.
Before they stopped taking orders the records were £28 delivered to the UK direct from Mississippi.
― Barnaby, Hardly, Monday, 18 April 2011 12:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
damn. i think boomkat's waiting on some, so i neurotically re-visit the site; i wondered if the reason VT's were so expensive had to do with them somehow getting them before anyone else but, even still, y'know.
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Monday, 18 April 2011 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
If you're feeling really neurotic you can subscribe to an RSS feed of Boomkat's new vinyl which they are extremely proficient at updating. They've added 15 new arrivals already today.
― Barnaby, Hardly, Monday, 18 April 2011 12:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Volcanic Tongue ALWAYS charge way more than everyone else. Why do you think david keenan is so hated?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 April 2011 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
that sounds more like an open subthread than a direct question. i don't really know.thanks for the RSS tip; knew they were on top of tracking what was coming in but it's helpful. sorry i am making this thread so boring, i will talk about the records, provided i get hold of some.
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Monday, 18 April 2011 13:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Listening to Dream Loss right now and I'm struck by the effortless flow of the songs, they just drift into each other.This is very blurry and distant. I like it but I don't see myself listening to it compulsively. It's just so detached.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 18 April 2011 15:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
up on forcedexposure fyi
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Monday, 18 April 2011 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, emailed aquarius records and they had copies as well.
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Monday, 18 April 2011 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
some copies around the corner from aquarius, too, at EXPLORIST INTERNATIONAL: http://www.exploristinternational.com/blog
theyll do mailorder!
― 69, Monday, 18 April 2011 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
I checked Forced Exposure, Aquarius and Explorist's websites now... are they all gone already? Because I can't find it.
― Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 06:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://beta.forcedexposure.com/SearchResult.html?SearchType=Basic&Type=artist&Key=grouper
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 08:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thank you!!! :-)
― Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 08:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Copies for sale up on Thrill Jockey too... http://www.thrilljockey.com/catalog/index.html?id=105356
― Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
wau, outta stock already at that link?pretty sure this is worth picking up ASAP; boomkat are getting fifty e-mails a day about it
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Wow, they were still in stock when I last looked.
This place has them, apparently: http://zum.bigcartel.com/
― Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
it is available to buy digitally tho right?
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
i wonder if limited mp3 release will become a thing/is a thing
y'huh though, via boomkat etc??
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
is there a "best of grouper" collection i could purchase also (nb, digitally)
x-post cool...
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Alien Observer is up on Spotify as well fwiw
― ridic beau (NickB), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
I wonder what the thinking was behind the decision to not press enough to meet demand? Cos it strikes me as being conscious rather than cautious.
I mean, DDD is now on its third repress.
Anyhow, Weird Forest will have some on sale tonight...
"WF HQ received a VERY LIMITED quantity of the new Grouper A I A LPs. So few that they would sell out before everyone on the mailing list received this message. In the interest of fairness, I will post them for sale on the Weird Forest website at 7pm (pacific time) tomorrow (Tues 4/19). I apologize in advance for any disappointment but there were not enough records to go around."
― Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp to ronan, ya, it's on itunes
― caek, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
wonder what the thinking was behind the decision to not press enough to meet demand? Cos it strikes me as being conscious rather than cautious.
do you think? ehh. i kinda saw it more as an obliviousness. that there are also provisions for another press based on demand doesn't make it seem like a kinda fetishisation-of-the-limited thing.
one of the weird things that comes up re: this & mississippi is where the boundary lies between, a), pressing a bunch of records and selling them being a personal project, that one can take control of and do according to your own terms, versus b), there being an obligation to provide for the market and meet demand, etc. there are a lot of records that have come out (the first nite jewel & zola jesus LPs, say) in the past few years where the vinyl has disappeared & never come back, even while LPs go for crazy money on ebay. i sorta think that keeping stuff in circulation, repressing if there's enough demand, etc, means that you should be able to print something up according to your own specs without being called out for being small-scale or exclusive or whatever. i can see how doing it on a handmade basis, albeit in smaller numbers, and maintaining control, is worth some of the awkwardness of not necessarily meeting demand.
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
like: there is always a lot of fuck mississippi etc, but why shouldn't you be able to open a store and do your best to make and distro some lps?
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
I can totally see this side too.
I guess I was just angling at the fact that it felt to me like this (relative) level of demand could have been anticipated and that there must have been other factors at play. Perhaps financial ones relating to the size of the pressing they could afford for instance.
And being that this is a private press I want the money to get to her you know? I want her to be able to meet demands and sell and sell so she can afford to keep making music.
But as you say, there's another run coming so my conjecture is moot anyhow!
― Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ordered a copy from Forced Exposure but have doubts it will actually ship. Don't mind buying digital as long as it's FLAC.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ordered a copy from Forced Exposure and specified a zip code of a town I lived in a year ago, rather than where I am now. It still says "processing" so ideally they get my corrections (there's no way to specify it on their webstore) before they go out (if they go out at all). I will go ahead and say that this has been a bit of a hassle (and I'm not making things better by participating).
― rope (lloydwabbitt), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
album doesn't turn up in forced exposure's search anymore, plus my account now shows no open or shipped orders. so that's the end of that adventure.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
hey hazel i do not really understand your posts but they are freaking me out, disrupting the serenity that descended after ordering a copy of this & stopping worrying about it all. doesn't your account just say being processed or whatever?, since that was the state it would've been in before? that it's disappeared from the site seems more like a good sign than a bad one.
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
nope, my account shows no orders whatsoever, although I have an email from them with an order number. didn't mean to panic you. I'd like to hear it sooner rather than later, but if there's going to be a repress, I won't die.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
but what about the rest of us
but
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Weird FE stuff. I got an email saying it has shipped ups. I didn't use the beta site btw.
― last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's a good point, the beta site is a beta site. some weirdness could be expected.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Weird Forest has them up right now for those who haven't got em yet
― last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
they had them up for about six seconds.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
My FE order just says "ON HOLD / Awaiting Restocks" now. So I'm pretty sure that's the end of that.
― rope (lloydwabbitt), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 06:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^ Same here, sadly.
I appreciate limited releases of an artist like Grouper, who controls her own output, but this is rather ridiculous. Scouring the internet, going to music websites where the records are up only a minute or so before they're all gone... Hugely frustrating.
― Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 08:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
The chase was thrilling but unsuccessful, so I torrented it. When it's easier to buy, I'll buy it. Boomkat has FLACs, but I'm not paying $26 for a download.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Are you kidding me? $26 for a fucking download?
― last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
That's for two albums I assume, but still.
― last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
Don't hate Boomkat too much, the exchange rate is what makes it so high.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
the albums are a fiver each on itunes fwiw
― caek, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Or two pounds something each on emusic.
― ridic beau (NickB), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Do they have non-lossy formats?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
No, just cheap and cheerful 256kbps vbr MP3s iirc
― ridic beau (NickB), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
A copy of each just showed up on Discogs. $30 though.
― Barnaby, Hardly, Thursday, 21 April 2011 08:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
And some here too... http://www.reckless.com
― Barnaby, Hardly, Thursday, 21 April 2011 08:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
I can't get that one to work, after clicking buy it just freezes (in both Firefox and Safari). This record is cursed. Thanks anyway.
― Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 21 April 2011 09:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
And some here too...
hey thank youassuming my FE order is not happening also so trying these guys.
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 21 April 2011 09:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Gone from reckless.com now
― plazzTT, Thursday, 21 April 2011 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
ha, yeah, i got that e-mail also. there's something on their FB from like Monday saying they got them in, so i guess it makes sense. i am hunting these lps so hard i am going to mount them like a moose-head when i get them fwiw.
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 21 April 2011 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
don't understanmd all this stress, they will be repressed for sure just like Dead Deer.
― sleeve, Thursday, 21 April 2011 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
it is being excited to hear it, just. i am trying to be deliberate about the way i hear records first, because with leaks, sometimes things come out, and you hear them, and then the point at which you buy them - which shouldn't be the exciting thing about an album coming out, but which should be a thing that you do, if you like the record - becomes pretty much devoid of discovery or excitement and so laborious and unappealing, and then bam it's a record you've been playing around and around for two months but which actually buying is a drag, some perfunctory measure that you mean to get around to. with the smog record, i heard half of it when it leaked, and i'm still psyched to get the LP. with this, i'm excited for it; that i'll get the vinyl means i don't want to buy a download of it, and the idea of hearing it and then waiting just feels like it'll lead me into that zone where i don't get around to buying a thing or i just buy one of them and--. i don't know. it isn't possessiveness, it's just anticipation for her LP; that there is other music to listen to until it gets re-pressed doesn't diminish the excitement of a new record that people are enjoying.
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 21 April 2011 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
like, i'm trying to avoid that record-buying paralysis i sometimes get, when you feel like you're materialistically compiling objects that you already in some sense have, or know, out of this semi-nebulous sense of propriety & investment, getting into a conflict about whether i should be buying something more adventurous (having heard this specific thing), or one of her other records, or food, or eroding my debts, or whatever, instead. you eventually get reminded that records are good, useful, worthwhile objects to own, when you're broke and only have them for entertainment and they display their worth by modifying your living space, but buying something i've heard always feels like it's me being sorta possessive. where as trying to get it and so tying together the part where i hear it, & it is good, with the part where i reward grouper for excellent record-making efforts, just feels more convenient.
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 21 April 2011 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Got my copies in the mail yesterday, and damn these are great. But I think the reason these records were self released and not pressed in a large quantity is because it seems that they aren't really a proper follow up to dragging a dead deer up a hill. These songs seem like kind of an experimental departure for her. I could be wrong, but thats just my impression after a couple listens.
― jonathan - stl, Friday, 22 April 2011 00:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'd say that these most recent two fit easily into her catalog...really the only departure was Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill. That was the first exposure of Grouper for a lot of people (including myself), so it's easy to view that as the baseline, but that was actually quite an unusual release for her in terms of accessibility. and while that accessibility brought her a lot of accolades and most people intrinsically think of it as "better", she may have a totally different view. more power to her!
― ZERO TAXES (Z S), Friday, 22 April 2011 01:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill is by far my fav Grouper release, btw! :) i'm just saying that this new one is kind of a return to her older , pre DDD up a hill sound.
the hold/sick 7" that was out a while ago felt like a step towards the more submersive old stuff, for sure
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Friday, 22 April 2011 01:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
My Forced Exposure order was cancelled today. Does anyone know if Dead Deer is getting any more represses?
The two albums very much feel like one is considerably older and one is newer. In my car Dream Loss sounded so blown out I couldn't even tell that it had vocals, while Alien Observer feels like it has songs but that the vocals and the lyrics are nowhere near as crucial to the structures as they were on Dragging a Dead Deer. It sounds to me like she's shifted her melodic instrument from acoustic guitar to electric piano, and I think this is the first time I've ever actually missed the presence of an acoustic guitar on someone's record. But yeah, these seem way more in line with Wide / Way Their Crept / Cover The Windows and the Walls than with Dead Deer. Will likely grow to love it regardless.
― rope (lloydwabbitt), Friday, 22 April 2011 05:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
i was a sucker and ordered from Volcanic Tongue as soon as I saw the post above, even though they were like a billion dollars each. And even then, I just received this message:
Apologies for the delay getting back to you, we've been overwhelmed with Grouper orders. Sorry but the Grouper LPs have sold out, the demand far outweighed what Grouper could supply, we’re very sorry you missed out.
― god is your co-god (Z S), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Same here, tried it at two places now (FE, Reckless) as in actually placing an order and a while later hearing the demand was too high. Does it even exist on vinyl?
― My life with the thrill kill McNult (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 22 April 2011 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Tried FE, VT and Weird Forest, no luck. So i bought the ones on Discogs. Thankfully the exchange rate is in my favour...
― bove, Friday, 22 April 2011 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
just fyi this is gone-gone, i think, now: sold out on fusetron, & at boomkat too, boomkat who were charging twenty-pounds-each for the lps.
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
I want to buy these records. Please make more of these records.
― kraudive, Sunday, 1 May 2011 00:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, vinyl unavailability aside, Dream Loss is killing me. Haven't even spent any time with Alien Observer yet.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 1 May 2011 00:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
I prefer 'Alien Observer'..had a bit of an epiphany with the title track, on a still, sunny evening waiting for a train with blossom in the air. Need to spend more time with 'Dream Loss' tbh.
― Craiger Lazer (Craigo Boingo), Sunday, 1 May 2011 10:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Here's a little bit/interview with Liz. Her part starts around the 4:15 markhttp://www.wk.com/wke/show/dont_move_here/episode/3
― last updated 2 minutes ago by 1 minute ago (van smack), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Norman Records had some yesterday but all gone now:http://twitter.com/#!/normanrecords/status/65078711191470080
― plazzTT, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Listened to Alien Observer last night and it's astonishingly beautiful.
― Matt DC, Friday, 6 May 2011 11:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^yeah, no kidding. I still haven't listened to dream loss yet, but wow, alien observer is a stunner.
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
and man, the gauzy, low-fi thing just works so well for her sound. the electric piano (is that what it is?) on here sounds gorgeous.
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think it's a wurlitzer
― Number None, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
ah, that does sound like a better fit.
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
i kinda think alien obsrvr is formless garbage honestly /no whiney
― funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
^Been waiting for someone to say that, really.I don't think it's garbage, necessarily, but there isn't much for me to hold onto.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
sure, I can see that. not necessarily a negative on a grouper record, tho. (imo)
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
hahaha, that's what everybody I have played any Grouper at all for says. "what is this crap? that's not even music."
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just play them some Stars Of The Lid and tell them to STFU
― Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was similarly somewhat disappointed. It's not like she screwed up or anything, either. She just wasn't aiming for the same kind of sound as on dragging a dead deer up a hill. But that for me is her standout release, so while I enjoy this new material for what it is, i've ended up listening through these about as much as I listened to her earliest releases - 3-4 times each - rather than the many dozens of timed I've listened to DDD.
― Z S, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
I love SotL more than just about anything on this shitty planet, btw!
― Z S, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
i can't decide whether it's crap or beautiful. there's something about 'dead deer' that's really moving.
i think with the excess of shitwavegazebrochillwitchhouse or whatever the fuck it is you kids do these days, its hard to tell whether stuff in this circle of drone music has been well crafted, or is just plain no-effort-let-the-pedals-do-the-work garbage
― jumpskins, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
actually no it's not hard to tell at all, it's either shit or not, but uh, it's changed the way people approach and appreciate stuff.
― jumpskins, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
The early stuff esp 'Wide' and 'Way Their Crept' is still awesome to me.. 'DDD' was shocking to hear at first, and is less of a straight ambient record than the others.. 'AIA' seems halfway, but less dense than the pre-'DDD' material.
think with the excess of shitwavegazebrochillwitchhouse or whatever the fuck it is you kids do these days, its hard to tell whether stuff in this circle of drone music has been well crafted, or is just plain no-effort-let-the-pedals-do-the-work garbage
It doesn't matter if it sounds good
― Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
'dead deer' is ok, ive never been all that impressed w/ her music but im really not sure what the point of her 'music' even is, it seem p bereft of any ideas, also its not really enjoyable to listen to so
― funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
That's a shame
― Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
you can post that twice
― funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think the idea here is taking a lo-fi, indie sound as a starting point and then blur the edges and stretch everything out (in some cases more radically than others). not exactly novel but I think she pulls it off and I wouldn't say the music is bereft of ideas even if it isn't heavily conceptual.
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just wait until her MTV Unplugged CD comes out.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
backed by the roots
― sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Friday, 13 May 2011 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Slow Walkers is a new collaborative project between Australian sound artist Lawrence English and ambient pop artist Liz Harris, aka Grouper. It's a multi-media project about zombies that will take the form of an album, video installations and a live audio-visual concert." (http://p4k.in/trPvwA)
http://vimeo.com/30846604
Pretty stoked for this. Lawrence English's The Peregrine LP is one of my highlights of the year.
― Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Monday, 31 October 2011 22:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Lawrence English's The Peregrine LP is one of my highlights of the year.
oh really? what's it like? i think he's real interesting but haven't really heard any of his solo stuff. the tenniscoats lp he recorded is special.
― Local Christian Blues (schlump), Monday, 31 October 2011 23:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Here's a sample http://bit.ly/sbtPOM and a great piece on The Liminal http://bit.ly/ulpeYw.
I've been a fan since the two Digitalis vinyl reissues of A Colour For Autumn and Kiri No Oto so was primed for a new one.
― Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 08:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
A Colour For Autumn is fantastic, pretty excited to hear this news.
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 09:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Great interview with Liz in the new Wire, I was totally clueless on the biographical stuff. Mostly about her upbringing as a member of a cult-ish commune called The Group and the influence of that on her music.
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
the peregrine is indeed beautiful
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
OOH tell me more about the cult
― the MMMM cult (La Lechera), Thursday, 10 November 2011 04:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Okay, from what I can remember, it was a commune based at a large estate in the Sonoran mountains that was into Fourth Way spirituality. Children were encouraged to think of the group as one big family and consequently were persistenly moved around between different sets of parents. They were given a lot of freedom to roam around the estate and so spent a lot of time outdoors, but apparently Liz Harris didn't mix with anyone from outside the community until she was eleven when she got sent off to public school, where obviously she was a complete outsider. This was when I think the commune was collapsing anyway.
Meanwhile, her father had left the commune previous to this and as a result Liz didn't feel wholly a part of the group but was instead was in this limbo between that and the outside world. The article then goes on to talk about this theme of inbetween states as a central part of her work. It was useful!
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Thursday, 10 November 2011 11:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
(also Manuel Göttsching is on the cover, it's a nice issue!)
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Thursday, 10 November 2011 11:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wish that magazine weren't so expensive! is the Göttsching article long? worth reading?
also wow, what a mess of words here:
is never without some task around which and in connection with which it can alone exist. When this work is finished, that is to say, when the aim set before it has been accomplished, the fourth way disappears, that is, it disappears from the given place, disappears in its given form, continuing perhaps in another place in another form. Schools of the fourth way exist for the needs of the work which is being carried out in connection with the proposed undertaking. They never exist by themselves as schools for the purpose of education and instruction.
cults are so interesting
― the MMMM cult (La Lechera), Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah I'm not sure I completely understand that wiki entry, it's still about as clear as mud to me.
The Göttsching piece is pretty much focussed entirely on E2-E4 btw. Haven't read it yet though.
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^ That makes me want to buy it even more
― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's also a piece about sandwell district
― sisilafami, Thursday, 10 November 2011 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Visitor 12" by Grouper & Ilyas Ahmed is available from http://littleaxerecords.com, under distributed titles.
I'd been looking for it for a while.
― Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 09:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
“Spent the last two weeks writing sketches/demos for forthcoming collaboration between me and Grouper for the upcoming Ninja Tune Bug album.”
http://www.factmag.com/2012/01/11/the-bug-working-with-grouper-on-new-album/
― Rapper rejoins fat man's co-op (NickB), Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, very interested in how that's going to turn out
― Chris S, Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Me too! Maybe like a droney lo-fi, dubbed out version of Liz Frasier with Massive Attack?
― Rapper rejoins fat man's co-op (NickB), Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
err, Liz Fraser obv
― Rapper rejoins fat man's co-op (NickB), Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
totally, in a general sense, although hopefully very much its own thing as well
it's nice seeing this new Ethereal/Witchy Girls + Beats sound happening in a lot of places, as that's prob one of my fav combinations ever
― Chris S, Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Friday, 2 March 2012 12:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― ಠ﹏ಠ (diamonddave85), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
THIS IS LIKE A DREAM COLLAB
Albums out in a couple of weeks time on Kranky (which makes sense cos the sound of that song is 100% pure essence of Kranky tbh).
― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyone hear this yet?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've only given it a couple of cursory listens on spotify while I've been doing other things so I've not really formed a full impression of it yet, but it seems to be nicely split between dronier ambient soundscapes and folkier tunes with acoustic guitar (which I guess is the Tiny Viper side of things? Don't really know her work very well).
This song is very, very lovely btw and the most immediate track on the record:
― Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 09:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
^ top ten track of the year sort of stuff for me i would say
― Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 09:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Enjoying Jesy Fortino's voice on this, reminds me a bit of Marcy Mays from Scrawl. Definitely going to have to listen to more Tiny Vipers.
― Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 11:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
tiny vipers - life on earth is in my top 10 of all time
i like the mirrorring album quite a bit, but it's hard to separate it from my overwhelming expectations and desires for a new tiny vipers album
― grimes - (the elder scrolls iv:) oblivion (diamonddave85), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Am listening to this album right now btw. It's good!
― Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
folkier tunes with acoustic guitar (which I guess is the Tiny Viper side of things? Don't really know her work very well).
yep, the song-oriented stuff is straight from Tiny Vipers' two Sub Pop albums, both gorgeous, but way more straightforward and tuneful than Liz' work as Grouper. the Mirrorring album is lovely and strikes pretty much an exact midpoint between their two styles. i wrote about it here in detail.
― ilxor, Sunday, 8 April 2012 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Looks like the AIA double album is getting a CD release on Kranky at some point in the near future. That'll be nice.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
yesssssss!!
― ilxor, Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh that's cool.
the mirroring record is nice. liz quietly harmonising with/echoing tiny vipers is gorgeous.
& i went to see grouper's tape loop thing a couple of weeks ago, & only caught the end. swirly.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Sunday, 8 April 2012 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, April 7, 2012 8:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
and probably cheaper than buying the FLAC files, this is good news.
― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
goodness me this mirroring album is beautiful.
― michael nyman cat (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 04:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
finally got my finances sorted and ordered a copy. I will read it with my copy of the Diablo III art book since they are coming in the same package.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 April 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
got the A I A two CD set on Kranky, just now hearing Dream Loss for the first time, awesome & immersive... "Atone" is gorgeous.. haven't even gotten to Alien Observer yet.
― ilxor, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyone heard Violet Replacement?
that is literally the ONE grouper release i wasn't able to get. such a bummer...i've heard its beautiful. going for a lot of money on discogs now, obv.
― jonathan - stl, Sunday, 20 May 2012 03:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I predict an LP pressing of Violet Replacement down the road.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Sunday, 20 May 2012 05:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait isn't violet replacement like 2hrs+
― blossom smulch (schlump), Sunday, 20 May 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I predict a $46 pressing limited to only 300 special edition LPs that sell out before I can figure out that they're even on sale somewhere
― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
otm
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hello,A curation non-profit from Vancouver BC called Filip is putting out a fragment from a tape collage piece called SLEEP. One-sided vinyl 12". They're on a low budget, made 800.They have a pre-order button on their website. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?c ... BVH52CGL7WOtherwise Little Axe/Mississippi will take orders soon. Everyone has agreed not to charge more than 15$ for this record (it's a little high due to production cost.) If enough people want it I will repress it again later as a YELLOWELECTRIC release. Thanks, be wellLiz
A curation non-profit from Vancouver BC called Filip is putting out a fragment from a tape collage piece called SLEEP. One-sided vinyl 12". They're on a low budget, made 800.
They have a pre-order button on their website. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?c ... BVH52CGL7WOtherwise Little Axe/Mississippi will take orders soon. Everyone has agreed not to charge more than 15$ for this record (it's a little high due to production cost.) If enough people want it I will repress it again later as a YELLOWELECTRIC release.
Thanks, be well
Liz
― Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 09:38 (9 months ago) Permalink
an unreleased record from 2008 is coming out on kranky,
http://pitchfork.com/news/48908-grouper-to-reissue-dragging-a-dead-deer-release-new-album-of-unreleased-material/
― kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html (schlump), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 17:47 (5 months ago) Permalink
Hey, thanks for posting this. Always meant to listen to this record, and that link has it streaming. Listening right now and it truly is lovely stuff. I like the guitar playing a lot.
― grandavis, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 18:43 (5 months ago) Permalink
^ so nice to read this. it's such a special record. the last place I lived I would listen to it most nights, playing the first side or putting the whole thing on through my ipod & falling asleep to it. the harmonising is so saintly & the guitar playing so affecting. it is so playable a record. i remember walking around a city on a really bright day, feeling ill & with it playing in my headphones, not attentive enough to squint away the sun & feeling like my brain was cotton wool and honey.
http://archive.org/details/unreleased_Grouper_mp3-218
― kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html (schlump), Sunday, 16 December 2012 06:42 (5 months ago) Permalink
I'm going to start signing credit slips by writing Grouper in cursive like that.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 16 December 2012 07:48 (5 months ago) Permalink
https://soundcloud.com/kranky/grouper-vital
i almost can't believe we get another grouper album from this time; in its mood & place it feels like unearthing a new gospel or a lost painting. i don't know how this is different from awaiting another of her records, but there's something so specific about the feeling, it feels lucky to hear it.
― kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html (schlump), Thursday, 20 December 2012 19:09 (5 months ago) Permalink
Really enjoying this new-not-new album.
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 00:51 (4 months ago) Permalink
I listened to it not knowing it was unreleased from 2008 stuff and felt disappointed. Less so now I know! But am chomping at the bit to hear what she does next.
― Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:04 (4 months ago) Permalink
Getting lots of play around my house
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:33 (4 months ago) Permalink
i love the new-not-new one! much more than the dual A I A releases tbh
― Z S, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 02:25 (4 months ago) Permalink
yeah those left me cold compared to Dead Deer, haven't heard this "new" one. Are there Soundcloud samples or anything?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 02:51 (4 months ago) Permalink
I think there are. I'm on the phone so I can't really search. But if you liked D a D D up the hill you'll definitely like it.
― Z S, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 03:12 (4 months ago) Permalink
i like this one a lot!
― caek, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 13:29 (3 months ago) Permalink
Can't wait to pick it up, as well as that reissue.
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:31 (3 months ago) Permalink
I received this e-mail from Mississippi/Little Axe distro about two hours ago. Of interest to those who do not want to be eBay gouged...they are all still there now.
Hi there - I discovered a few boxes of several Grouper titles that are currently out of print. There is a limit of 1 of each item for this stuff and please don't just buy it to flip on ebay or discogs. They will be added to the website this afternoon and come down as soon as the copies are gone.
The available titles will be:
Grouper - Sleep $15Grouper - Visitor $14Grouper - Dragging a Dead Deer (self-released 3rd Pressing) $15
http://littleaxerecords.weebly.com/distributed-titles.html
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 14 March 2013 01:47 (2 months ago) Permalink
thanks for the head's up. just ordered sleep + visitor. also listened to the sample from the Barna Howard on the same page and it sounds great. threw that one in the basket as well.
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:01 (2 months ago) Permalink
I can't really justify picking these up right now, & there is a bunch of grouper stuff I still haven't got (never had that connective moment with the first record, seeing it in the store makes me want it), but buying grouper records is totally sensible behaviour; I play them way more often than probably anything else I own because they're just such a good environmental contribution to a living space. I don't even mean, wow, nice background music; just that I want to hear them more & more flexibly than I want to put on other lps.
― schlump, Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:13 (2 months ago) Permalink
ooh, there's an interesting roy montgomery album up there as well! thanks!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:17 (2 months ago) Permalink
her sparse, rhodesy work on her side of her montgomery split is really special
― schlump, Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:23 (2 months ago) Permalink
jeez I need to get on that mailing list! I kinda know the Little Axe folks. Thanks for the heads up, I ordered a bunch of that stuff.
― sleeve, Thursday, 14 March 2013 14:03 (2 months ago) Permalink
this is an incredible song
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 14 March 2013 15:43 (2 months ago) Permalink
man, mirroring are playing a show in london in a couple of weeks. i would like to see those guys.
― schlump, Saturday, 16 March 2013 19:58 (2 months ago) Permalink
whoa, been avoiding this stuff for some reason but that track is gorgeous. Whole album like that? The stuff I heard from that Dead Deer album was a tad droney / aimless for my tastes, and I can only take so much of that post-4AD, post-Fursaxa type stuff. But that Youtube clip has me wanting to hear this new-not-new one.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 17 March 2013 02:37 (2 months ago) Permalink
sort of, lots of droney stuff but at least half of the record is acoustic songs like Living Room. all excellent
― yellow jacket (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 17 March 2013 08:58 (2 months ago) Permalink
Can't find a copy of The Man Who Died In His Boat anywhere :(
― Evan, Sunday, 17 March 2013 15:03 (2 months ago) Permalink
kranky's mail order is nicely affordable, fwiw
― schlump, Sunday, 17 March 2013 15:13 (2 months ago) Permalink
they're outta the vinyl though
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:08 (2 months ago) Permalink
Try discogs. There's two sealed copies on sale right now, one for $13.99, the other for $16.99
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:11 (2 months ago) Permalink
http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=519536&ev=mb
oh, shit, those were CDs. sorry! there's a few LPs on sale through discogs too, but at a higher price.
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:12 (2 months ago) Permalink
little ax maybs worth a shot too ida thought
― schlump, Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:20 (2 months ago) Permalink
Nah I don't see it there either. Worried it went out of print, but I'm hoping they're just trying to catch back up to demand on production.
― Evan, Sunday, 17 March 2013 19:52 (2 months ago) Permalink
they'll make more re best new music
― yellow jacket (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:14 (2 months ago) Permalink
from the Kranky website:
just to be clear, these two releases will NOT be limited on vinyl and they will remain in print, so please remain calm and you will get as many copies as you like in short order.
― sleeve, Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:22 (2 months ago) Permalink
I'm looking for the place the spirit meets the skincan't figure out why that places feels so hard to be inwe're all of us at this ill-fitting partybusy pretending to relateand it's getting harder and harder to fakeacting like everything's in its place
― yellow jacket (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:22 (2 months ago) Permalink
― sleeve, Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:22 PM (1 hour ago)
Oh I missed that bit, thanks!
― Evan, Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:26 (2 months ago) Permalink
just got my records in from little axe. i ordered the "Sleep (fragment)" one-sided 12", plus the Visitor collaboration with Ilyas Ahmed.
"Sleep (Fragment)" is a long drone piece.
The Visitor record is pretty great! apparently they collaborated on all four of the tracks, but side A is definitely more Grouper-y and side B sounds more like Ilyas Ahmed is taking the lead.
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:26 (1 month ago) Permalink
I got the "Sleep" record from them too, I like it.
btw I have also seen restocked LP copies of The Man Who Died In His Boat appear on an update or two.
― the world's most impertinent web designer (sleeve), Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:27 (1 month ago) Permalink
Through Kranky you mean?
― Evan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:44 (1 month ago) Permalink
I assume so, my Wall Of Sound update said "back in stock"
― the world's most impertinent web designer (sleeve), Sunday, 31 March 2013 16:03 (1 month ago) Permalink
i have been listening back to alien observer lately. such a strange record. so pretty but so swampy. like it has such weight to it. the guitars are like those folk tale tree limbs that are grabbing at everything else on the record. i feel like one day i will be in the perfect mood for it & it will blow me away.
― schlump, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:02 (1 month ago) Permalink
For me, the only time for those AIA records is after 1am. When everyone else is quiet. And they are lovely then.
― kraudive, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:14 (1 month ago) Permalink
that sounds like the right way to listen, I have not clicked with those yet.
― the world's most impertinent web designer (sleeve), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 21:32 (1 month ago) Permalink
Really wish Grouper wasn't onstage at 5.30pm at the Swans London gig tonight.
― Barnaby, Hardly, Thursday, 4 April 2013 10:37 (1 month ago) Permalink
it's a helluva time for a thursday, i'm wondering if anyone but me will be there.
i saw mirrorring live last week, exactly what you'd expect and utterly gorgeous.
― a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:23 (1 month ago) Permalink
Early start is probably a good thing, get up there before the noisy chatterboxes arrive
― acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:32 (1 month ago) Permalink
aw man, i saw a picture of the mirroring show. what was it like? they just played some album songs w/some drones goin on?
― schlump, Thursday, 4 April 2013 16:07 (1 month ago) Permalink
I've had Way Their Crept since its release but didn't know what to make it exactly. Now listening to her entire oeuvre on Spotify, I like it in part because I probably prefer her at her most echo-laden and abstract.
Despite liking Dragging a Deer Head, to me the song structures feel a bit less unique. Still, I like that she explores a few different sides to her thing.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:13 (1 month ago) Permalink
it would be so awesome if we could get this thread title changed
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:16 (1 month ago) Permalink
it's the little things, sometimes, and i truly feel that if i could convince someone to change the title of the thread, the terrible rating of the world would decrease by at least 1
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:18 (1 month ago) Permalink
Did that help?
Meantime, there's a new mix from her up at FACT
http://www.factmag.com/2013/04/22/fact-mix-379-grouper/
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 April 2013 17:16 (1 month ago) Permalink
I like the cryptic thread title!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:30 (1 month ago) Permalink
Can't please everyone.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 April 2013 17:31 (1 month ago) Permalink
I wish Grouper had been on 3-2-1 Contact.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:32 (1 month ago) Permalink
oh wow she is playing in austin soon! in a church!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:31 (6 days ago) Permalink
her music is so beautiful it feels like god's joke
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:30 (6 days ago) Permalink