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Please talk about: "Buffalo Stance" by Neneh Cherry

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― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

I like how she introduces the various parts of the drum beat at the beginning. It's like introducing the members of your band, but in the digital studio age.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

It has the most endearingly bad scratching in it ever.

― tylero (tylero), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

Also: what is a buffalo stance?

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

Everyone in the world likes this song, right?

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

I remember posting once that the song was great but the rest of the album Raw Like Sushi was terrible. This being ILM, I was promptly disabused of this notion.

― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's a really excellent record, that's all I can say right now.

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/nylpm/2005_05_01_nylpm_archive.html#111581074311602649

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

I've never heard the album. Living in the downloadin' internet age it's hard to imagine a time when if you suddenly remembered some awesome song from like 10 years ago, you actually had to go out and buy the whole album just to hear that one song. Though I guess that could be good if you end up rediscovering some older awesome album.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I guess there were "CASSINGLES."

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

hearing this song for the first time in many years is like manna from heaven. hearing it the second time - not so much.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

Quite a charming song, which represents its era very well.

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

Nenah and I used
the same Brooklyn laundromat:
1992

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

(I think that was her, anyway)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

i heard it the other night in a cab on the way home from a good date. it was fantastic.

too bad her dad's dead.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

too bad her brother released an album

― matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

Gigalo!

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

I found that Hook-ish bassline charming too.

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

Also: what is a buffalo stance?

I think it's a pose with arms-crossed and tanding aloof.

LOVE this song, it's one of my top ten favourites of the 80's.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

DON'T YOU GET FRESH WITH ME

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

i've never seen a buffalo cross front legs.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

On the remixes, she gets all NASTY, saying stuff like "GIVE ME A MOTHERFUCKIN' BREAK BEAT!!!". Dirrrrty.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

i have this song in my head all the time despite only knowing the tune and the words to the ".....dance .....buffalo stance" part.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

Here you go, kyle:


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Who's that gigolo on the street
With his hands in his pockets and his crocadile feet
Hanging off the curb, looking all disturbed
At the boys from home. They all came running
They were making noise, manhandling toys
That's the girls on the block with the nasty curls
Wearing padded bras sucking beers through straws
Dropping down their drawers, where did you get yours?

Gigolo, Huh, sukka?
Gigolo. Gigolo, Huh, sukka?

Chorus 1:

Who's looking good today?
Who's looking good in every way?
No style rookie
You better watch don't mess with me

Chorus 2:

No moneyman can win my love
It's sweetness that I'm thinking of.
We always hang in a Buffalo Stance
We do the dive every time we dance
I'll give you love baby not romance
I'll make a move nothing left to chance
So don't you get fresh with me

Get funky. Yeah Timmy.
Tell it like it is. Check out this DJ.

So you say you wanted money but you know it's never funny
When your shoes worn through and there's a rumble in your tummy
But you had to have style get a gold tooth smile
Put a girl on the corner so you can make a pile
Committed a crime and went inside
It was coming your way but you had to survive
When you lost your babe, you lost the race
Now you're looking at me to take her place.

Chorus 1

Smokin.' Not cokin.' Get funky sax.
Looking good, hanging with the wild bunch.
Looking good in a Buffalo Stance.
Looking good when it comes to the crunch
Looking good's a state of mind
State of mind don't look behind you
State of mind or you'll be dead
State of mind may I remind you
Bomb the Bass...rock this place!
What is he like? What's he like anway?
Yo' man what do you expect the guy's a gigolo man
You know I mean?

Chorus 2 (twice)

Wind on my face, sound in my ears
Water from my eyes, and you on my mind
As I sink, diving down deep...deeper into your soul.

Chorus 2 ...

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

In the land of the mechanically funky, the squibbly robot synth is king!

― The Irrelevant Man (Negativa) (Barima), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

How could this be anything other than brilliant?

*cocks an eye towards a looming Norwegian-derived storm*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

I always loved that synth-keys upward progression that sounds like a Sega space game going into the next level.

Send Neneh Cherry polyphonic ringtone to your cell phone

Couldn't I just send her to my pants instead?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

This may shock some to read, but I think that -- with the exception of the lyrics of "Trout," which are well-intentioned but ultimatley ridiculous -- VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING THAT NENEH CHERRY HAS EVER DONE IS ABSOLUTELY, CATEGORICALLY BRILLIANT!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

The best part of B Stance is the sample of Miami's Chicken Yellow, I thinks.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

The $200 video is a total, total classic.

Thanks for posting the lyrics, I never could make out that "no style rookie" line.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

I want to talk about "Man Child" instead. One of the most beautiful songs ever to contain rapping...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

this song is pretty good, but I don't get the classic rep.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

AND YOU TOO WILL LEARN TO LIVE THE LIE

― N_RQ, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

I played this when I DJed at the last Poptimism and out of all the songs I played, people's reaction to this put the biggest smile on my face. I love everything aout it.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 19 May 2005 21:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

I hereby declare everybody in this thread to be insane. Or British.

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

raw like sushi is great, but the single version of 'heart' is much better than the album version (or do i have that the wrong way round?)

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

this song and its video are of course fantastic

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Buffallo" was a london based photgraphy and fashion collective that specialised in tuff/pretty looking models. if u saw The Face at any time in the early 80's then you know their work. They did most of the fashion covers (Nick Kamen was their most famous). the collective was formed by Ray Petri, Jamie Morgan and Cameron McVey (who Neneh later married).

http://www.showstudio.com/projects/mgn/mgn_movies.html

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

she only married one of them, not all three.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

i think 3D from Massive Attack was part of the scene too, hence "lookin good, hangin' with The Wild Bunch"

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

I loved this song when it came out and was actually listening to the 45 when the '89 bay area earthquake hit. The record was skipping over and over again when the earthquake stopped and it always creeped me out after that.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

that is true

and the song is Classic, Klassic and any other way you wanna spell it, always makes me smile and ppl dance when I play it

and Alex in NYC is right in saying Neneh generally is brilliant

btw, has anyone actually come out hating the song yet?

― H (Heruy), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

one of my favorites, ever. i finally found the 12" a couple of years ago, which was a sunny day indeed.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

x-post:
half the song was originally on a Wild Bunch-produced Jamie J Morgan b-side a couple of years earlier

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

how about we all celebrate by somebody YSIing it!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

For some reason, not necessarily musical, Buffalo Stance reminds of Oran Juice Jones - The Rain.

― mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 20 May 2005 04:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

I bought the cassingle of this 'back in the day'. I don't have it with me anymore, but I recall the cardboard edges of that thing were really really worn.

― The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 20 May 2005 04:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

i think wild bunch did a couple tracks on 'raw like sushi': bristol p-punk-trip hop 'nuum represent: neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

― N_RQ, Friday, 20 May 2005 07:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

the first cd i ever owned (c1990).

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

i think wild bunch did a couple tracks on 'raw like sushi': bristol p-punk-trip hop 'nuum represent: neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

Geoff Barrow (Portishead) did a couple of tracks on Homebrew too.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

3D wrote 'Manchild' fyi

― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

3D co-wrote it. Geoff Barrow did one track on "Homebrew" the sublime "Somedays".

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

And being Neneh has done stuff with The Slits, and Gangstarr was featured on Homebrew also, we really could do a six degrees of Neneh thing.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:12 (8 years ago) Permalink


http://www.skysaw.org/onu/artists/personnel/nenehcherry.html


― mark e (mark e), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

For some reason, not necessarily musical, Buffalo Stance reminds of Oran Juice Jones - The Rain.


This is sort of creepy, because I got both of these songs from the iTunes store at the same time a couple of months ago - I had both of them stuck in my head and hadn't head either in years.

― joygoat (joygoat), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

Buffalo Stance and The Rain are two of my all time favourite songs! How weird. Long after I stopped listening to the vast majority of my albums on tape, I still dug out Raw Like Sushi quite regularly. I only bought it on CD last year, thanks to Fopp's lovely fiver section.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

(The Rain reminds me of my friends all sitting round the college canteen saying AND HIM in stupid voices and pissing ourselves laughing. We did similarly with 'My name is Prince and I am UGLY' whenever a BOY walked past.)

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think of The Rain as being Drum Machine + synths in an R&B song; one that crossed over to the Hip-Hop market thanks to its attitude.

I think of Buffalo Stance as a urban hippie-esque dance song based mostly around samples that tried to cross over to the Hip-Hop crowd, but came off as a more black version of Groove is in the Heart.

I also differentiate greatly between mid 80's and late 80's urban music thanks to the invention of Emu's sp1200.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

Granted, Groove is in the Heart came later I think...

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

thanks to its attitude

Oran "Juice" Jones had the crazy gansterrific persona. I think my favorite part of The Rain might be ad libs at the end. "You're just a squirrel looking for nut!"

― Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Cameron McVey (who Neneh later married)."

He produced (or co?) the first Sugababes record, no?

I was obsessed with Neneh during my teenage years. OBSESSED. I would gawk at the cd booklet for an hour while listening to the record...

― nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

Miss Thang's "Thunder & Lightening" to thread.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

i still play the album but i've never liked buffalo stance
i love "manchild" - it was my fave single for that year.
"heart" was great
"inner city mama" was good.

then "7 seconds " was brilliant.
wasn't "trout "with michael (REM) stipe ?

― inner city papa, Friday, 20 May 2005 15:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

If I remember correctly it was originally a B-side for the group Morgan McVey. I'd love to hear that version. Anyone have it? Probably not...

― nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

I do, but on vinyl, not any kind of easily-postable form

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...
Also, Arthur Baker and Kevin Saunderson remixes on the b-side of the 12"? Utter classic, especially the "1/2 Way 2 House Mix" which makes me nostalgic for an era I was scarcely alive for!

― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

You know, I need to hear this song again, seriously. I can't even remember how it goes at all, but I bought it at the time (on a 'cassingle' no less). I came across Raw Like Sushi in the Trouser Press Record Guide the other day and thought about how it really seemed like a lot of folks flipped over that record. It seemed like it was on everyone's fave albums of the year list, whatever year that was. I'm sure not everyone liked it of course, but this is how I remember it.

― honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

I always associate Buffalo Stance and Rain with Coldcut's Stop This Crazy thing, don't know why - they were probably all out at roughly the same time

― m3ntal1st, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

Probably one of the best synth hooks ever!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

With the new reissue of Red Hot + Blue, it's worth putting in a good word for her hip-hop version of "I've Got You Under My Skin".

It takes some courage to do a blank-verse rap like the "Smokin', no cokin'" section, then going all Tracy Ullman with the imitation cockney accents.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

I hated this for a long time and then a couple years ago listened to it and was blown away. Now I have no idea how I feel about it. It's undeniable on some level but felt amazingly corny and dated at the time to me. (I was no futurist in 1989, either.) But it's also totally exuberant and ultimately I think that tips me back into the "like" category, at least a little.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm always awed by the reassuring simplicity of a couplet like "no money man can win my love / it's sweetness that I'm thinking of."

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

I remember when it came out it seemed like one of those inpenetetrably British novelty hits, with the Bomb The Bass cameo and, again, the Cockney voices - I felt a little left out of what it meant or why it was good, except during all-ages nights at The Underground in the U District.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

I once had a nightmare that my copy of this had split into several pieces inside the sleeve, it was horrible!

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 06:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

TOTAL.
FUCKING.
CLASSIC.

makes me yearn for a nostalgic look back into the early 90's.
cross colors.
fades.
an urban youth i didn't have.
and i STILL love this song...

― eedd, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

too bad her dad's dead.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), May 19th, 2005 11:42 AM. (hstencil) (link)

Read: I am aware that her dad is a notable jazz musician and would like to show off this fact.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

Raw Like Sushi was #5 in 1989's P&J poll.

In the summer of '89 this, "Me, Myself & I," and all those wonderful Fine Young Cannibals seemed to herald a real Daisy Age. I don't hear the song enough to get tired of it. The synth squiggle-hook is marvelous, and so is the bit about the gigolo, and almost everything about the chorus. So, ok, I'll say classic.

The followup, "Kisses On the Wind," is not as memorable but for some reason is a better song, if that makes sense.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

I was listening to this just today, only to log on to ILM and find a resurrected thread about it! It's like you've read my mind, people. One of my favourite songs of all time, at least to dance to. Reminds me of going in Charlie's in Manchester on a Friday night, only they don't seem to play it anymore, which is a shame. Not that big on the album, but Buffalo Stance is a stone-cold classic. Brilliant vocal, great synth line and, as was said upthread, endearingly piss-poor scratching.

"Wot is 'ee loike!"

― yer mam! (yer mam!), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

Last time I heard this song was a week and a half ago, shouted on a public street by several gay Canadians.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

How do you know they were Canadian?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

thoughts, apropos of nothing:

Nenah retreated from music when she contracted Lyme disease...I think Daryl Hall also had lyme disease...I don't think John Oates did...

the phrase "Raw Like Sushi" was borrowed from Big Daddy Kane...

Benjamin Diamond covered "The Rain", sans the end rap (which really makes the original: "my first thought was to pull a Rambo on ya..but instead, I chilled...yeah, that's right...I chilled")

― hank (hank s), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

How do you know they were Canadian?

I was in Canada and was hanging out with them.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

GIGALO!

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Read: I am aware that her dad is a notable jazz musician and would like to show off this fact."

Stepdad!

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

I've got a Colette CD sitting around (Thrill of Colette, decent mix of out/electronic pop tracks) with "Buffalo Stance (Electro Ski Mix)"- no idea who's responsible for the remix, but it's nice enough. Email me if anyone wants to hear it (it's in iTunes' .m4a format; I'm in the process of deleting my old album rips and redoing them as VBR mp3s but haven't gotten around to this one yet).

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

'Raw Like Sushi was #5 in 1989's P&J poll.'
That would make the LP Overrated in my book. I like Buffalo better than anything else on the album.

'In the summer of '89 this, "Me, Myself & I," and all those wonderful Fine Young Cannibals seemed to herald a real Daisy Age.'

Yes, when you look at a year end list for '89, Neneh and FYC stand out as sort of a last great vintage 80s pop which i can't think of an equivalent of in the early 90s. They are "so '89" in the best way!

― Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

I wonder what Neneh's stance on the buffalo is now, all these years later. I think she'll be indifferent towards them. Not as bothered as she used to be.

― Johnny Jarvis, Friday, 12 May 2006 10:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

The A-side of the remix 12" beat-mixed very nicely with "The 900 Number".

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

That is sounding very OTM in my head right now.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

Carlos Keith is OTM

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

no-style rookie

― xero (xero), Friday, 12 May 2006 20:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

w-w-w-wait, i never considered it could be hyphenated! *head reels*

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

I never considered it could be un-hyphenated! *staggers*

― xero (xero), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

i always really liked this song, but damn what was the deal with those inexplicably awkward dancers in the video? you know, the frowny one in (i think) the short white dress and hat and that other one. they were great!

― Kim (Kim), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

does anyone have a link to the music video?

― bagenius, Sunday, 14 May 2006 15:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

Upon hearing this again, I can't say I'm exactly overwhelmed with awe. I'm sure it sounded great in the context of that time, but it seems like there's a lot more stuff today that sounds just like it, which kindof strips it of the power it had. I kind of like the New Order-esque outro, though.

― honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...
This song fucking rules. It has a kind of unusual arrangement for a pop song.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 26 January 2007 19:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

Stone-cold classic, and definitely one of the big "Oh my God, I've found my sound" moments for me as a teen.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 26 January 2007 19:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

She sings lead on the Teddybears song "Yours To Keep" from late 2006. Should be a hit. Check it out if you are so inclined.

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 26 January 2007 20:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

if this was the only song left in the universe, i can't say i'd be all that sad.

― max (maxreax), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think of The Rain as being Drum Machine + synths in an R&B song; one that crossed over to the Hip-Hop market thanks to its attitude.

Oran also had a deal with Def Jam. He was part of Russel Simmon's plan to diversify the DJ roster. IOW his cross over success was directly based on the efforts of DJ's promo engine...

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
I'LL GIVE YOU LOVE BABY NOT ROMANCE
I'LL MAKE THE MOVE, NOTHING LEFT TO CHANCE
SO DON'T! YOU GET FRESH WITH ME!

today this is the best song ever :D

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 06:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yep. The beginning of time, absolutely and totally.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 07:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Man Child" is still way better.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

i like this thread. it made me download this song. it made my world a better place.

― acrobat, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

I liked this thread until Geir posted on it. He makes everybody's world a worse place.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

think of the line WEARING PADDED BRAS, SUCKING BEER THROUGH STRAWS marcello, and you will be happy again

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

god the tune on the chorus is so uplifting and gorgeous!

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

neneh was on bbc2 the other day cooking with anrea oliver, joshing about men + sex. she's still hott.

― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Her two "posse" members in the video. I know they're of some late 80s note, but who were they? Other musicians, comedians, what?

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

I'd love to hear an album singularly focused on the notes in this song, and mixed by a pizza inspired Arthur Baker.

The video is proto-Adobe/Happy-Birthday-MySpace-greeting-gif-from-obscure-high-school-acquaintance-vibes to the fullest.

Major poultry flourishes with its McLaren and Miami passages.

― Cat Stevens, Thursday, 13 December 2007 05:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

I THINK WE ALL AGREE THIS IS CLASSIC AMIRITE ELSE I'LL START A POLL WITH SALT N PEPA'S PUSH IT AND IT WON'T BE PRETTY

― Bimble, Saturday, 2 August 2008 02:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Okay, Geir don't spoil it this time, thanx. Really, please.

― Bimble, Saturday, 2 August 2008 02:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Gigalo!

― k$h (The Reverend), Friday, 2 April 2010 02:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

WAAAAGH! wik-wik-WAAAAGH!

― k$h (The Reverend), Friday, 2 April 2010 02:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

whatever happened to neneh cherry? i don't even remember an attempt at a follow-up song.

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 2 April 2010 02:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

she had several other good tunes iirc

― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Friday, 2 April 2010 02:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Friday, 2 April 2010 02:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah! okay, i do remember kisses on the wind.

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 2 April 2010 02:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

and who among us can forget "manchild"

― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Friday, 2 April 2010 02:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Would this be called proto-trip hop? I love the Raw Like Sushi album, I only discovered it after the fact but I do remember the Buffalo Stance video as a child. "Kisses on the Wind" is also the best madonna song not sung by madonna I have ever heard. Is that why people called Neneh the "Black Madonna?" I always thought it was Jody Watley.

Anyway I do like Neneh's later stuff. Even the stuff with Tricky.

― lilsoulbrother, Friday, 2 April 2010 03:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

people called neneh cherry the "black madonna"?!?

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 2 April 2010 03:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

From a fan page:

Madonna
When releasing Raw like Sushi the media crowned Neneh as Black Madonna. Today at the question whether this title has been adequate she answers: "I don't think so, she is more ambitious and a harder worker than I am...and she's got a lot more money than me as well (laughs)..."

― lilsoulbrother, Friday, 2 April 2010 03:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

But Kisses on the Wind sounds like "True Blue/Who's That Girl" madonna as far as the instrumental is concern.

― lilsoulbrother, Friday, 2 April 2010 03:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

I went through a phase in 2006 when my metabolism required one daily dose of "Kisses On the Wind."

― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 April 2010 04:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Has it been sampled much? That guitar line and squiggly bit are so iconic

― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 2 April 2010 17:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Would this be called proto-trip hop?

she was lookin' good, hangin' with the wild bunch (aka massive attack), so yes.

― rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Friday, 2 April 2010 17:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Kisses on the Wind" was so my jam, man

also: rowr

― STAY ALIVE USING EQUIPMENT (HI DERE), Friday, 2 April 2010 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

massive attack, smith & mighty remixes of 'manchild':

(s&m mix includes a k-disturbing moment halfway in where 'freestyler' by bomfunk mcs is foretold btw.)

― r|t|c, Friday, 2 April 2010 20:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

this song is absolutely terrible. i thought revisiting it after 20 years would bring back pleasant memories, but jesus christ this is embarrassing on every level and completely irredeemable.

― Melvin van Osterlow, Jr. (res), Friday, 2 April 2010 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

OUT

― STAY ALIVE USING EQUIPMENT (HI DERE), Friday, 2 April 2010 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I remember when Buffalo Stance came out, I was listening to Rick Dees who said Buffalo Stance was the name of a haircut her friend invented.

― publicradio, Friday, 2 April 2010 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

huh, sucka?

― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Friday, 2 April 2010 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

her song with Youssou N'Dour, "7 Seconds", was basically a huge hit everywhere except the US in 1994.

"Buffalo Stance" owns, of course.

― zvookster, Friday, 2 April 2010 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

The best part of the song is the fadeout -- that delicious B-52-esque guitar riff going on and on while the keyboard hook pops in intermittently.

― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 April 2010 21:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's so obviously from when it's from, and some parts of it really haven't aged well, but this is hands down a classic.

― King of Snake (j-rock), Sunday, 4 April 2010 01:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

I really don't understand this "aged well" concept. Music is a product of its time and technology. It's like expecting a NES game to blow you away graphic wise like a PS3 game. if you are going to listen to something that is from a different decade you should know what to expect. I'm not knocking you j-rock but I'm just talking in general.

― lilsoulbrother, Monday, 5 April 2010 02:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, but some shit from a certain decade makes you sick to your stomach, and other shit sounds good. "Aged well" basically means that it is tolerable to listen to in this day and age. It's like how you don't wear parachute pants (1990s) when you go out but you might wear blue jeans (1850s).

― Melvin van Osterlow, Jr. (res), Monday, 5 April 2010 04:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've been doing something wrong then?

― The Reverend, Monday, 5 April 2010 04:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

this song sounds good tho... it has done the whole time. it's never not been a 100% banger. the only bit that approaches embarrassment is the "the guy's a gigalo man..." bit, but that always was embarrassing too.

― rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Monday, 5 April 2010 10:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but she giggles after she delivers the line -- classic.

― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 April 2010 11:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

o_0 at the idea that there are people, anywhere, who could possibly dislike this

all three neneh albums are worth owning imo

http://www.last.fm/music/Neneh+Cherry/Homebrew/Somedays <= co-written with geoff "portishead" barrow iirc
http://www.last.fm/music/Neneh+Cherry/Homebrew/Move+With+Me

http://www.last.fm/music/Neneh+Cherry/_/hornbeam <= only a 30-sec clip and it's not on youtube but "hornbeam" is seriously great

and of course the absolutely CLASSIC 4EVA 2-step refix of "buddy x"

ROMEOOO

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 5 April 2010 11:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

whatever happened to neneh cherry? i don't even remember an attempt at a follow-up song.

Didn't she also release some kind of a feminist response song to "It's Man's Man's Man's World" by James Brown back in the mid-90s that was a moderate hit? I remember seeing the video a lot on MTV back then.

But yeah, I guess "Buffalo Stance" and "7 Seconds" are the songs most people remember her for.

― Tuomas, Monday, 5 April 2010 12:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, this is it:

― Tuomas, Monday, 5 April 2010 12:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

wow that Dreem Teem cover is great!

― one of the jones boys (sic), Monday, 5 April 2010 13:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hated "Buffalo Stance" when it came out, and had the same reaction putting it on just now: It's timelessly corny, awkward, and pandering. But "7 Seconds" makes up for it.

― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 5 April 2010 15:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

MMM! WOO, Yeah yeah! UNH! Deejay!

― they taste fresh (Stevie D), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 17:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

GIGOLO

― they taste fresh (Stevie D), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 17:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Neneh & kids

― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

I love the synthesizer flourish in this, so . much.

― kissogram powers (Abbott), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Xposts: Hey! You didn't introduce the hit hat or the tambourine yet!

― Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh how thoughtless of me!! I'd like to introduce:

― they taste fresh (Stevie D), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Holy crap is this video awesome!

― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 June 2010 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

I heard this for the 1st time 4 days ago after checking out songs from the ILM 20th century list that I'd never heard before.. it's pretty great. Love the "$200 video" also.

― billstevejim, Thursday, 9 December 2010 07:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

WOT IS HE LIKE?

― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Thursday, 9 December 2010 09:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

My man right here.

― people for the slutty/common/american way (kkvgz), Thursday, 9 December 2010 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

My co-worker sang this at our karaoke x-mas party last night. I haven't heard this song in years and it's suddenly popping up everywhere.

― Darin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

What's he like anyway?

― a verbatim quote from AdamRL! (admrl), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

The guy's a gigolo, man.

― Stay J0rdan Fresh (sic), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 05:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

I just got into an intense wine-fix a couple nights ago. Needless to say, Neneh Cherry's Raw Like Sushi, became my soundtrack of the evening. The whole Buffalo Stance track is splendid and shakes around the atmospheric. I don't understand all the Madonna comparisons though.

― Alora Fiscus, Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

This T-Rex remix by Phiiliip makes great use of the keyboard riff from "Buffalo Stance".

― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost Needless to say!

― Dark Noises from the Eurozone (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

wtf is that shit

― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wonder what Neneh's stance on the buffalo is now, all these years later. I think she'll be indifferent towards them. Not as bothered as she used to be.

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A+

― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 5 August 2011 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

wait, does she start by saying "harmolodic"?

― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 11 August 2011 22:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

I finally got Raw Like Sushi! This thing defines "vibrant."

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can't believe I've only known this song for the past year... It's like, life-changing.

― billstevejim, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Holy crap. Only now? tHis record really defined my teenage years. Not only do I love her music, but her style was just plain awesome in my opinion. I loved it and still do. She was my idol and hence why I checked out everything around her (rip rig and panic, portishead, massive attack,.........)

― Nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

that has got to be the most in-your-face video ever...wowzer!

― henry s, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 02:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Love the synth pads!

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

http://www.smalltownsupersound.com/2012/03/21/neneh-cherry-cherry-album-june/

Neneh Cherry & The Thing “The Cherry Thing” out 18th of June on CD, LP and download

Neneh Cherry and jazz trio The Thing met for the first time at a recording session in London in the fall of 2010. It clicked right away as they all shared an open, free approach to the music. The high energy of The Thing’s playing found a fitting counterpart in Neneh’s intense style. After a performance at Strand, Stockholm in March 2011, they decided to continue the collaboration resulting in their forthcoming, self-titled album, The Cherry Thing, out June 19 on Smalltown Supersound. Apart from their own compositions, the album features the music of such diverse artists as Ornette Coleman, Suicide, Don Cherry, Martina Topley-Bird, The Stooges, and MF Doom.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 23 March 2012 03:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was sold till "MF Doom"

― a lovely deer printed on the front of the youth fashion. (crüt), Friday, 23 March 2012 03:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

whoa

― action bronieson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 March 2012 03:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was sold till "MF Doom"

prob means jazzers playing Dilla, not Neneh fabricating Dumile flow

― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 23 March 2012 04:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

incredible!!!! more than i hoped for.

http://soundcloud.com/smalltownsupersound/neneh-cherry-the-thing-dream?secret_token=s-TtYIX

― jed_, Sunday, 6 May 2012 01:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

prob means jazzers playing Dilla, not Neneh fabricating Dumile flow

nope, it's the other way, and it works. really works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jovsxh8FeYo

― bendy, Sunday, 6 May 2012 02:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

This sounds good. Just bought tickets..

― mmmm, Sunday, 6 May 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

gigs? what, where??

― jed_, Sunday, 6 May 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

They are playing London, Amsterdam, Berlin etc. Not many gigs. I think that will change though. I got tickets for the London gig in July.

― mmmm, Sunday, 6 May 2012 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

cheers!

― jed_, Sunday, 6 May 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm really loving this album. from a position of near-total ignorance - love neneh long time obv, but hadn't even heard of the thing, and am only familiar with one of the originals. but the things she does with her voice these days are incredible and i love how spontaneous/controlled it all sounds.

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

this is a really incredible record isn't it? the thing haven't really toned down what they do that much and it still works which is quite an achievement, it's like the bad plus / wendy lewis record's cool older sister

― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 11:33 (11 months ago) Permalink

i was sold till "bad plus"

― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 13:45 (11 months ago) Permalink

This is a great record. An amazing first impression, and I expect to like it more as it gets more familiar.

― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 13:50 (11 months ago) Permalink

this is all very well but I preferred it when The Thing were my little free jazz band that no-one had heard of

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 14:34 (11 months ago) Permalink

yeah totally, there's loads of little conversations going on here. neneh is fucking awesome on this. there was a nice piece in the metro on tuesday...

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/music/901487-neneh-cherry-brother-eagle-eye-wishes-dad-couldve-heard-this-album#ixzz1xgThpHB3

― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 14:39 (11 months ago) Permalink

I bet The Thing is pretty happy that they are finally getting some attention. I'm happy for them. Still haven't heard this album but I've liked everything else they've done that I've heard.

― game of crones (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 14:43 (11 months ago) Permalink

i had never even heard OF the thing until this album

― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 14:53 (11 months ago) Permalink

i've still only heard one of the originals

― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 14:54 (11 months ago) Permalink

they're fairly big as free jazz power trios go to be sure, but yknow that's the kind of big that means occasionally getting an audience in the triple figures.

― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 14:56 (11 months ago) Permalink

they've been playing to triple-figure audiences in Europe for years, but didn't get any notice in the UK until the Cafe Oto hipster crowd moved in.

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:18 (11 months ago) Permalink

welp that'll be me then.

― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:23 (11 months ago) Permalink

xpost

if they didn't get any notice in the uk how did the 'cafe oto hipsters' hear abt them?

― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:26 (11 months ago) Permalink

lol?

― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:28 (11 months ago) Permalink

b/c Cafe Oto put on a couple of shows by them, I guess.

xp

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:28 (11 months ago) Permalink

you know that's balls, right?

― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:31 (11 months ago) Permalink

not really... enlighten me

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:32 (11 months ago) Permalink

nah but they've been pretty high profile in the appropriate uk scenes for ages, haven't they? even as a v surface level dabbler i knew them in 2005 or so.

― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:32 (11 months ago) Permalink

i saw mats play to a packed out wardrobe in leeds around 2005. they're certainly among the biggest names in improvised music, don't really know why we're talking this tho. or hipsters. i thought anagram was joking upthread... are you srsly butthurt that your litte free jazz band are getting a bit of press?

― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:34 (11 months ago) Permalink

like, why have some of the free jazz shows i've seen at cafe oto been attended by three men and dog, but then suddenly these mythical free jazz hipsters turn out in their hundreds when the thing - a group that has received 'no notice' in the uk - play there?

― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:34 (11 months ago) Permalink

sometimes when you're quite good people talk about you and then people that write about what people are talking about write about you and then the mythical free jazz hipster appears

― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:43 (11 months ago) Permalink

like, why have some of the free jazz shows i've seen at cafe oto been attended by three men and dog, but then suddenly these mythical free jazz hipsters turn out in their hundreds when the thing - a group that has received 'no notice' in the uk - play there?

well that was kind of my point. why do the thing attract larger audiences than other free jazz bands? it's not because they're better. sadly, i think it's because they have this cachet of cool.

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 19:06 (11 months ago) Permalink

The Thing's versions of rock tunes, collabs with the Ex, Thurston etc, plus being on the jazz subsidiary of a prominent Swedish indie rock and electronica label hasn't done them in any harm in the popularity stakes. But it's not some cynical ploy on their behalf - they grew up loving jazz and rock, so it's natural for them. And thank the lord they're nothing like the novelty, hey we're a piano trio playing polite versions of Nirvana pish you get from the Bad Plus. They're one of the most exciting live acts I've seen in any genre and if they get rock fans checking out jazz then great.

Three men and a dog at Oto? I've seen great crowds there for Brotzmann, Joe McPhee and others, and I'm sure the likes of The Arkestra, David S Ware et al wouldn't play regular residencies there if they weren't getting crowds. A lot of European and British improv is quite quiet, fidgety and cerebral - which is fine - but The Thing stand out in the scene for having an energy and power you'd more readily associate with the Americans.

Anyway, the album with Neneh is great, particularly on the quieter pieces. Gustafsson's wild man image belies his subtlety and range. Paal Nilsson Love is on stunning form too: the Ethiopian rhythms coming in on Accordian and the pulse and roll stuff he does on the Ornette tune are particularly wonderful.

Anyone catching them on tour? I'll need to grab my tickets for London.

― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 20:07 (11 months ago) Permalink

Going to the London gig. I bought a ticket for a friend who was very into Buffalo Style and Raw Like Sushi. Thinking should I let her know about the the new direction?

― mmmm, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 20:16 (11 months ago) Permalink

oh idk most people i know who were into those are into this

― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 20:36 (11 months ago) Permalink

like, why have some of the free jazz shows i've seen at cafe oto been attended by three men and dog, but then suddenly these mythical free jazz hipsters turn out in their hundreds when the thing - a group that has received 'no notice' in the uk - play there?

good w.o.m. in dog circles obv

― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 14 June 2012 01:54 (11 months ago) Permalink

well that was kind of my point. why do the thing attract larger audiences than other free jazz bands? it's not because they're better. sadly, i think it's because they have this cachet of cool.

welllll, as stew suggests, they're more accessible than most free jazz because they have that more rock aspect to them. i don't think there needs to be a dalston conspiracy behind a band who are more accessible than other bands also being more popular than those other bands.

― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:04 (11 months ago) Permalink

sadly, i think it's because they have this cachet of cool.

yaah no jazz musicians have ever had a 'cachet of cool' before

― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 14 June 2012 07:55 (11 months ago) Permalink

points taken, possibly a more interesting question then would be why it is that The Thing have only started being feted in the UK in the last couple of years when they have been playing all over mainland Europe since at least 2005

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 14 June 2012 08:10 (11 months ago) Permalink

i just don't share yr perception that the thing went from being ignored in the uk to trendoid accessory in the last cpl of years. as crackle and stew have pointed out, gustaffson's name and reputation have always meant SOMETHING here, amongst the v v small number of ppl actually interested in this stuff, and I definitely remember the early albs getting gd reviews in the usual places (the wire, most obviously.) maybe the thing's popularity/visibility has grown in the last cpl of years (as you might expect after recording a rec w/ neneh cherry) but you cld also just put that down to them being a really really exciting group of performers who have, over time, generated great word of mouth and a slowly increasing following. w/out neneh cherry i'm p sure they'd still struggle to 'sell out' a venue much larger than Cafe Oto, because pop/rock cover version aside, they are still playing a p fierce and uncompromised form of music that has always alienated many more ppl than it has ever attracted. Personally I hope they have a number one album and sell out the 02 Arena.

Also, when did they first play live in the UK? My memory is that they didn't tour here for a while, and I only got to see them for the first time last year. i was living in London at the time of their first albs and am sure I would've gone to see them at the Vortex or wherever if they had played here then.

― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 14 June 2012 08:58 (11 months ago) Permalink

HOLY SHIT LOVE THE NEW ONE

― balls, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:40 (11 months ago) Permalink

Hey, people who like this might also like Mats Gustafsson's release with Kieran Hebden from last year Live at the South Bank
It's bananas

― game of crones (La Lechera), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:19 (11 months ago) Permalink

and pardon the omission, Steve Reid

― game of crones (La Lechera), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:19 (11 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

man before i was excited for this in a "kinda weird/cool/interesting that this is happening" way, but this is fucking great

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

yep.

― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:03 (10 months ago) Permalink

really surprised there hasn't been more talk about this album

― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Friday, 6 July 2012 09:41 (10 months ago) Permalink

I love this album to bits but it's the kind of release where I might say inadvertently stupid things if I talked about it in depth.

― Tim F, Friday, 6 July 2012 11:46 (10 months ago) Permalink

haha yeah trying to review it paralysed me a bit. best policy was transparency really, "i know nothing about the thing or free jazz or don cherry or any of the originals but here is why i like it"

― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Friday, 6 July 2012 11:55 (10 months ago) Permalink

and i DO know about neneh

― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Friday, 6 July 2012 11:55 (10 months ago) Permalink

I was listening to this at the end of my work day yesterday and all I kept thinking was "...baller!"

― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 13:25 (10 months ago) Permalink

wait she covers Suicide and the Stooges on this? I need to check this out.

― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:17 (10 months ago) Permalink

seriously this album is a uniter, not a divider. lots of different people will like it. (imo the thing turns everything to noisy gold)

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:22 (10 months ago) Permalink

On the few occasions i wrote about jazz it was always a case of "I am an interloper in this idiom but here's why I like it, and oh boy do I like it a lot" generally.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:25 (10 months ago) Permalink

yeah it's really good - i'm not crazy about the madvillain song though, ends up sounding like slam poetry due to the jazz backing. dream baby dream is fantastic though.

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:25 (10 months ago) Permalink

Feel like the lone dissenter here that I just couldn't finish the album.

But my hatred of Free Jazz is longstanding and goes so deep I can't get over it, even for Neneh Cherry.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 6 July 2012 14:28 (10 months ago) Permalink

Not crazy about free jazz, but I love Neneh and the new album is pretty interesting. I'd buy it if I could find it for a good price somewhere.

On a slightly related note, I never realized how much Madvillian's album resembled ODB's debut...

― blerdguy, Friday, 6 July 2012 14:37 (10 months ago) Permalink

that's what happens when it goes a leeetle too far (and the concept starts to kinda fall apart/become threadbare for me as soon as that happens)
most of these songs have interesting arrangements though, i think. there are times when i wish the vocals were not there, though but i realize that i am prob in the minority here

loooove the end of dream baby dream -- awesome freakouts are what free jazz is about for me. i do appreciate that this is making the words "free jazz" more accessible to people too.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:39 (10 months ago) Permalink

oops that was xp to n/a

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:40 (10 months ago) Permalink

ha i'm also coming from the side of generally liking free jazz freakouts (though not being a free jazz expert) and knowing almost nothing about neneh cherry

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:44 (10 months ago) Permalink

i kind of want to hear them cover a load more songs in this manner

― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:47 (10 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, well I'm coming from a couple of decades of being super annoyed at free jazz wig-outs ruining my dronerock and my spacerock so I don't want to hear it in the context of a musical area I thought was free jazz wig-out free.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 6 July 2012 14:47 (10 months ago) Permalink

Free Jazz Wig-Out Free.

Things I hate myself for typing.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 6 July 2012 14:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

tbh, given Nenah Cherry's lineage I am surprised more of her music hasn't incorporated free jazz wigouts

― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:51 (10 months ago) Permalink

that's what i like -- free jazz wig outs in my space rock! how funny. to each her own, eh :)

i would like to recommend this video -- the thing and joe mcphee "sounds like a sandwich" http://vimeo.com/44342292

and i have a bunch more recommendations but i have to find this cover of pj harvey's "who the fuck" first -- it's GREAT.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:55 (10 months ago) Permalink

They also do a version of "Whole Lotta Love" with the Cato Salsa Experience on Sounds Like a Sandwich that is REALLY good.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:56 (10 months ago) Permalink

Ok here it is

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:59 (10 months ago) Permalink

Sorry for ruining this Neneh Cherry thread :(

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 6 July 2012 14:59 (10 months ago) Permalink

(I wonder if we can find a "you got free jazz in my dronerock/spacerock/postrock" thread to continue discussion on because this has long been a source of perplexment to me.)

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 6 July 2012 15:01 (10 months ago) Permalink

free jazz + dronerock - different 'means' (sometimes), same ends (ecstatic transportation/communion)

― Ward Fowler, Friday, 6 July 2012 15:24 (10 months ago) Permalink

In theory, yes. But in practice, it often doesn't seem work that way at all.

But this is not the thread. I'm aware that I'm doing in this thread what I shout at others for doing and don't want to continue it here.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 6 July 2012 15:27 (10 months ago) Permalink

Holy Fuck. Did anyone else see this??

― mmmm, Sunday, 15 July 2012 22:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

see what?

― EZ Snappin, Monday, 16 July 2012 00:18 (10 months ago) Permalink

Sorry that made little sense. Neneh & The Thing surpassed all expectations last night. Definitely one of the best live things I've been to in a while. Rare for me to go to a gig and just not want it to end..

― mmmm, Monday, 16 July 2012 11:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

sad I missed this ;_;

― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Monday, 16 July 2012 12:26 (10 months ago) Permalink

Neneh had such a huge stage presence. Literally stalking the stage. Dressed in customised Adidas. Everything sounded so tight, I half expected The Thing to dominate but she had such control. The noise! The encore was just brilliant.

― mmmm, Monday, 16 July 2012 12:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

oh man! Wish I could have seen that. Sadly, not even coming to my continent. Glad it was amazing.

― EZ Snappin, Monday, 16 July 2012 13:22 (10 months ago) Permalink

so is Buffalo Stance where the title of that Style Rookie blog came from?

― President Keyes, Monday, 16 July 2012 13:31 (10 months ago) Permalink

They were at Pfork, I think? (I didn't go) I've seen The Thing a couple of times and those players in other ensembles a bunch of times -- all of them were really interesting and I won't go so far as to say 100% ALWAYS SPELLBINDING but there's always a lot going on and a lot to pay attention to.

Basically, if I've enjoyed practically every show I've ever seen those guys perform (Nilsson-Love, Gustafsson, Haker-Flaten have all been in a lot of other bands) Add Neneh Cherry stalking the stage, and I think the wider audience potential skyrockets.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 16 July 2012 13:44 (10 months ago) Permalink

(For reference - afaik they all came through Chicago a lot b/c of the Vandermark connection, Haker-Flaten lived/lives here too.)

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 16 July 2012 13:45 (10 months ago) Permalink

aah.

p4k wasn't listed on her Facebook page, but that doesn't really mean anything.

― EZ Snappin, Monday, 16 July 2012 13:47 (10 months ago) Permalink

Maybe they weren't there -- maybe I'm misremembering that

Either way -- those people used to (and still do) play around Chicago a lot, but there seems to be a next generation brewing since the last time I was really paying attention. My point was that The Thing are totally awesome.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 16 July 2012 13:58 (10 months ago) Permalink

the cherry thing is amazing, really delivers on pretty much every level.

― tylerw, Monday, 16 July 2012 15:16 (10 months ago) Permalink

i finally caught up w/the cherry thing last week, found it underwhelming but will play it more. on a car trip this weekend we played homebrew, first time since the 90s and it held up v well. our 16 y.o. son was intrigued by the stylistic blend asking "what do you call this?" dunno. trip-hop pop?

― (REAL NAME) (m coleman), Monday, 16 July 2012 15:25 (10 months ago) Permalink

man I actually forget exactly how much I love "Buffalo Stance" unless I play it

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 17:15 (10 months ago) Permalink

I love this song a lot.

― *sad hug eomticon* (Control Z), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 04:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

for ages now the font on the front of the cherry thing was reminding me of something, and then it clicked today

― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 19 July 2012 22:17 (10 months ago) Permalink

How did I not know until today that this song originated from this:

which was a remix of this:

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 19:50 (10 months ago) Permalink

I was reading the OED entry for "like" and at the bottom I was very tickled to see an attested use of "like" attributed to "N. Cherry et al, Buffalo Stance". Led me down the same path as MarkoP here, tracing the etymology of the song. Keep going! You have Malcolm McLaren's "Buffalo Gals" still to find!

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 21:04 (10 months ago) Permalink

Oh Buffalo Gals and its connection to that song is pretty well known. But my lack of familiarity with lower tier SAW singles, meant that I never knew about that.

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 21:26 (10 months ago) Permalink

which was a remix of this:

lol I tried to get that super corrected

― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 00:08 (10 months ago) Permalink

Her new album is really really enjoyable. REALLY!
Wouldn't have expected or asked for or wanted an album like this from her, but...it's just about the best thing released this year wtf. :)

― mr.raffles, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 02:45 (10 months ago) Permalink

u+k (from a sometime (?) ilxor) - http://www.mtvhive.com/2012/06/20/neneh-cherry-malcolm-mclaren-elvis-costello-cras/

― balls, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 02:54 (10 months ago) Permalink

Her new album is really really enjoyable

It's not "her" new album, it's an album by The Thing with her as guest vocalist.

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 09:05 (10 months ago) Permalink

― Tartar Mouantcheoux (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 09:09 (10 months ago) Permalink

it's credited to both neneh and the thing equally

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 09:42 (10 months ago) Permalink

yeah I realize that, it just sounds like a Thing album with vocals to me

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 10:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

probably depends on whether you're more a fan of one vs. the other. sounds like a neneh cherry album with jazz backing to me.

― contenderizer, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 10:21 (10 months ago) Permalink

It's not "her" new album, it's an album by The Thing with her as guest vocalist.

the aggressiveness of your ownership claim on their behalf (over "her") is weird tho

― contenderizer, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 10:23 (10 months ago) Permalink

sounds like a neneh cherry album with jazz backing to me.

same, though i'm sure this is because i've been a neneh cherry fan for my entire life, pretty much, and had never heard of the thing before this year. but even so i can't see how you can't hear her personality stamped all over it.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 10:25 (10 months ago) Permalink

THEIR new album then, anagram.

Either way, it's hot. :)

― mr.raffles, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 12:42 (10 months ago) Permalink

i am generally in favor of out music finding a way in. the thing is not really all that far out there, but i imagine that people think they are (or don't even want to give them a chance), and now that they've heard the thing as n cherry's backup band they might be more likely to consider listening to other stuff they've done.
good for the thing!

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 14:14 (10 months ago) Permalink

i've said this elsewhere but i'm really looking fwd to properly getting into jazz when i'm too old to go clubbing. and i LOVE what the thing do on this album, i love how their music and neneh's vocals mirror each other w/r/t the wildness/control tension.

i suspect la lechera intended to write "our" but i like the idea of "out" as an abbrev of "outré"

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 14:29 (10 months ago) Permalink

i always want to think that she's saying "harmolodics" at the beginning of buffalo stance.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 14:31 (10 months ago) Permalink

no, i totally meant out music -- music that is not in! it's out there. :)

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 14:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

No, I'm sure she meant "out" as in "way out"

xxp!

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 14:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

i like that usage too!

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 14:54 (10 months ago) Permalink

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 15:06 (10 months ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

"Kisses on the Wind" is SO FUCKING GOOD!!!

― ICANN Tina Turner (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:02 (2 months ago) Permalink

I have never heard this before!!

― ICANN Tina Turner (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:02 (2 months ago) Permalink

I said on fb that the super bring piano reminds me of something you'd hear in a really euphoric 15 second outro, except it's all over the whole song.

― ICANN Tina Turner (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

I have never heard this before!!

― ICANN Tina Turner (Stevie D(eux))

can't really get my head around this!

― jed_, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

The only other track better than "Kisses on the Wind" is "Heart" ("Buffalo Stance" is a world apart).

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

xp it was never that big over here! She's kinda regarded as a one-hit wonder for "Buffalo Stance". I only heard "Kisses" it when I took the time to listen to Raw Like Sushi on Spotify last night.

― ICANN Tina Turner (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 17:13 (2 months ago) Permalink

"Kisses" went top ten in America, but it's true I never hear it.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 17:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

fcuking jamie oliver seems to have adopted this as his theme tune now, a delete from playlist moment if there ever was one...

― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:21 (2 months ago) Permalink

fucking jamie oliver. What is he LIKE

― dat neggy nilmar (wins), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:52 (2 months ago) Permalink

The "Kisses on the Wind" single is worth getting if you like it. It has an extended version of the tune, a nice Latin house remix of it by David Morales, plus a semi-acoustic non-album B side.

― Tuomas, Friday, 1 March 2013 07:57 (2 months ago) Permalink

Damn. Raw Like Sushi is magnificent. I don't think I've heard it for about 20 years but it sounds great this afternoon. I don't think its acknowledged as a "great album" (wtf is that/rockist etc?) but why not? All kinds of beautiful Madonna/psb/Public Enemy awesome all over it. Cherry is so charismatic and I love her. Very very much. Gonna check out Homebrew now - never heard it.

― kraudive, Sunday, 3 March 2013 15:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

HEART. HEART. YOU CAN'T BREAK MY HEART.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 March 2013 16:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

https://soundcloud.com/neneh-cherry/neneh-cherry-afrika-baby-bam

new track produced by four tet, neneh in beat poet mode. Not sure what I think of it yet :-\

― ok let's all fuck our pants to something new (wins), Sunday, 14 April 2013 19:23 (1 month ago) Permalink


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