platinum pied pipers/sa-ra/the new downbeat-rnb thing: why don't i like this stuff more?

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now obviously from the title, it should be clear that i do like this stuff, just a little bit. (sometimes a lot more.)

really, it's exactly the kind of thing i was looking for, non-flashy rnb with more modernized/hybridized production than the usual indie-rnb shit. (i'm not feeling mainstream rnb too much these days, either.) but for some reason it's not clicking. two main things have come to mind so far:

the incense-n-peppermints lyrics are one, but i guess that comes with the territory.

but mostly these cats don't seem too interested in writing songs. it makes the whole thing wash over me (hence the "downbeat" and not "rnb" or "soul" tag, i guess) and seem kinda half-assed.

i'd like to see these guys hook up with someone from the "real" rnb spectrum, someone with a little more invested in actually getting songs on the radio. (i.e. on a major label.) i have a feeling it might help them step their songwriting game up. (the back-end ballads on the amerie album, for instance, could have used these guys.) (or teedra moses.) (or saadiq.)

maybe it's just gonna end up being like my semi-love for broken beat: a genre i like the idea of more than 50% of the execution.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

i suspect two people are going to answer this thread. (and i can guess which ones.)

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

I have such a massive backlog now but I'll try and come back to this someday as it sounds interesting.

$V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

well, i'm not one of them i'm sure, but, who are you talking about exactly (ha, the broken beat mention is no help, i think i've still never heard a broken beat record)

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

i mean, in addition to the people mentioned in the thread. er, backstory, i guess?

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

i don't really know the backstory. vahid or jaxon probably know more than i do. (or at least they've talked about this stuff before.)

the scary thing is that you could easily reduce this stuff to some kind of press release soundbite "the neptunes X roy ayers" that would send me running for the force and styles 12s.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

as i age, my mother's tastes are beginning to show up much more obviously in my own

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Can yer give a link to a site or somewhere streaming this, so I might give an ear? As I'm intrigued to hear more at least -- also, re: mainstream r'n'b, just not feeling like much good these days or...?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

I haven't heard this stuff yet, but the production would have to be pretty hot to make up for no songs (which is a problem in "indie rn'b" too).

(full disclosure = Teedra kind of washed over me, but she keeps nagging me to listen to her some more)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's not that these guys DON'T have songs (though they do often have hooks or verse in search of songs), but i think there's a reason they're showing up in downtempo radio mixes and not in vibe just yet.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

Teedra = grebt. Not so sure about Raphael Saadiq yet. Who else is there to investigate?

The Irrelevant Man (Negativa) (Barima), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought this was gonna be about R. Kelly

Baaderonixx (it must be a camel) (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's been a couple of years, but I haven't heard an r&b album I like better than Anthony Hamilton's (where the tracks with the most modern/syncopated beats are actually the ones with a live rhythm section).

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

From this end of the spectrum, the only thing I ever heard I thought was really great was the first Spacek album. Unless you count D'Angelo's Voodoo, a record these people haven't come close to. Lots of good intentions, not enough guts & talent to pull it off.

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dwight Trible & the Life Force Trio is a 'legit' soul singer with production by Sa-Ra, madlib, ammon contact, and might be what you are seeking.

superultramega (superultramarinated), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

I haven't listened to all the artists that you've mentioned, but I like PPP a lot. And I've never been that big a fan of neo-soul, but PPP sounds a little more muscular and adventursome than your average indie-soul artists. It kinda retains the grittier element of the Dilla-inspired Detroit hip hop sound. And I don't know about "incense-n-peppermints lyrics." I haven't really listened to what the vocalists on the PPP album are saying, but the emcee contributions aren't really on a conscious, positive tip. I guess that the hooks could be more pronounced at times. I interviewed Waajeed from PPP and one of the first things he said was, "I hate that neo-soul bullshit."

s>c>, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

hi

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

so yeah, i'm absolutely in love with this stuff. but it seems i'm one of the only ones. i think most of it is that one of my all time favorite artists is Jay Dee and i'm always looking for people trying to replicate his sound. i mentioned in the Sa Ra thread how the major complaint of these guys is lack of songwriting, but i just don't even understand what that means. i mean, there's a beat, a chord progression (or not, but a lot of the jazz i love is only one chord, and NEU!). there are vocals, there's sometimes a hook. i mean, coming from someone who loves jungle and dance music, how can you expect it in this genre, but not in that. are you an r'n'b-ist?

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dwight Trible & the Life Force Trio is a 'legit' soul singer with production by Sa-Ra, madlib, ammon contact, and might be what you are seeking.

my friend just picked this up and told me it's outstanding. i've got the Dwight Trible album from a few years ago but it's more of a Leon Thomas cover album than anything else.

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

here's another thread about another one of these artists that got absolutely no response

The Jneiro Jarel "Three Piece Puzzle" album is like whoa!

i'd be happy to make a mix or burn cds for anyone who's interested.

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

oh, and the Plant Life album is really great. it's definitely got great songwriting. some of it is a bit more soul oriented and less downbeat-rnb than i like, but the album really grew on me. the packaging is absolutely beautiful too. it's got an embossed cover, gold ink and really nice logo and vector graphics inside

http://www.plant-life.net/main.html

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

and finally to anyone who wants to hear Sa Ra, i don't know how legit this is because they don't have a full album out yet, but you can download like 20 of their tracks and some instrumentals they've done (the Agent Orange track for Pharoah Monch is a killer)

http:// brucewang.com/adoru/sa-ra.zip (take out the space before bruce)

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Check yr e-mail!

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm totally curious, JaXoN. I'd not heard any of this stuff (although I think some Sa Ra stuff is on some comps I have.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

alex, do you like slum village?

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

I have no idea who that is. Should I?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

uh, further back. do you like a tribe called quest

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess. Is this "conscious" hip-hop kind of stuff or is it neo-soul-ish rnb stuff?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't call it either. people don't know how to catagorize most of this stuff, so they throw it in the neo-soul camp, but it's not really. most neo-soul is trying really hard to relive the stevies, the marvins, the donnys. they're like post-spoken work soul. i find most of it pretty boring, although i dig some of it.

none of the lyrics are concious, but i wouldn't say it's thug either. it is a bit hippy dippy sometimes.

the best i can compare it to is maybe post-a love below. it's taking later period funkadelic with all the weirdness and adding a modern hip hop touch. lots of weird synths. falsettos. Sa Ra has worked with the Neptunes

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

oh, the reason i ask about A Tribe Called Quest is because Jay Dee started producing for them on their later albums (probably not their best albums). he started his own group, Slum Village, that kind of carried on the native tongue production - jazzy, filtered samples, heavy drums. all the lyrics were very misogynistic. it's definitely not indie/backpacker, but people don't know where else to categorize it because they're not guns/bling rap.

do you like Spacek and Vikter Duplaix. this stuff has a lot in common sonically with those acts.

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

I was at the record store over lunch and bought Platinum Pied Pipers, so I'll let you guys know what I think.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

i haven't heard that album yet, so don't blame me if you hate it.

definitely download the Sa Ra stuff, you'll be blown away (hopefully)

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

is the ppp album actually out? i only have a download.

i think i might be an rnb-ist! actually, i think i just might be thinking about this stuff in the wrong mindset. (i.e. singles instead of albums or mixes.) (or maybe i just don't smoke enough weed anymore.)

i love jay dee, which is why i keep giving this stuff a second chance.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

Apparently it came out yesterday, good timing.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

i don't smoke that much weed anymore either, but i think it's pretty obvious that the majority of the music i listen to is definitely weed music. trippy, mellow, dark, sort of avant, lots of effects, repetitive.

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

This is like a whole album of "Devil's Pie".

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

(PPP)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's also really fucking good.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

yeah i need to give this another spin tonight.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

They're all about that one beat where the hi-hats are shuffling triplets but the kick and snare are syncopated to this tight, straight 16th note feel, shit's crazy.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

i like some of the sa-ra stuff (esp "glorious" and "hollywood" i think?) but my prob with it starts when it gets too CLOSE to d'angelo etc. - maybe a matter of falling obviously short when the objective seems more identifiable? but yeah working with teedra moses or somebody could be great. haven't heard the ppp stuff yet.

jones (actual), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

i am listening to that dj rels record from last year on stone's throw (theme for a broken soul), which is apparently madlib trying to go for the broken beat/west london thing, and it's pretty repetetive but i'm digging it a lot.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

Are some of those drums on 'Now or Never' from (Ludacris) 'Stand Up'?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

i picked up the Platinum Pied Pipers album last night. not sure i like all the different vocalists. there's a bit of neo-soul to the whole thing, but i've only listened to it once and it hasn't really sunk in.

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 May 2005 16:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

so i just listened to the PPP album again, and the production is all really nice, the drums hit really hard, but i dunno, this Tiombe Lockhart chick is sorta getting on my nerves. sounds way too much like Jill Scott or something? the Lizz Fields album on ABB reminds me a lot of this a lot also (jay dee thump production, but jill scott vocals). it's not that i don't like JS, in fact i do, but i was hoping for something different. the album's really "nice" but just doesn't get weird enough for my tastes right now. i think there's too much songwriting? hah. hopefully it'll grow on me.

the 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover is pretty great.

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm still digging on this album. The beats are pretty hard and the feel is nasty and that's what puts it over the top for me. Some of the singers/mc's are great, some are okay, but I actually like that it keeps getting switched up. Makes it feel more like a production mixtape than anything else and takes the pressure off of the vocalists.

And yeah, samba/r&b 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover is waaaay better than it could have been.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 May 2005 18:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

this thread title is stolen from right out of my head; i was thinking the exact same thing while listening to the ppr record last night and again this morning. the phrase "wash over me" is pretty accurate - i think i like the way the sounds fit together but i have a hard time finding anything to hang on to. im comforted by the fact that i once felt this way about amp fiddler and (way back in the day), bodily functions, both of which i now love. i think maybe my best hope is the plant life record; ive only given it 3-4 listens but i remember thinking it sounded very promising.

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 16 May 2005 18:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

For Me:
Sa-Ra > Peven Everett > Amp Fiddler > PPP

I love that Sa-Ra tour CDr that is going around, here's to hoping they don't fuck with the formula too much on their upcoming studio disc.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

"so yeah, i'm absolutely in love with this stuff. but it seems i'm one of the only ones. i think most of it is that one of my all time favorite artists is Jay Dee and i'm always looking for people trying to replicate his sound."

how many sub-jay dee beats and programming can anyone take though? i hear that sound of his in so many underground producers, i just want them to move past that mellowness, that stacatto drum pattern, and that 'this could be slum village couldnt it?!' mood music.

"i mentioned in the Sa Ra thread how the major complaint of these guys is lack of songwriting, but i just don't even understand what that means. i mean, there's a beat, a chord progression (or not, but a lot of the jazz i love is only one chord, and NEU!). there are vocals, there's sometimes a hook. i mean, coming from someone who loves jungle and dance music, how can you expect it in this genre, but not in that. are you an r'n'b-ist?"

but this doesnt come from jungle and dance, it comes from soul, R&b and hip hop. id say these guys grew up on hip hop, then are trying their hand on R&b and soul type stuff, and it shows in the songwriting, cos its pretty static and mechanical. they havent quite understood that not all music is made like hip hop is. the problem i have with ppp and sa-ra is a lot of their music lacks any sort of momentum, it just glides along, or jogs along, and never really goes anywhere. its all about maintaining a vibe rather than developing a song as such. kinda like a hip hop beat and someone singing rap lyrics. the songs with georgia (i think) on the ppp album are the absolute pits cos of this. shes just rambling on barely strung together words that sound like they should be rapped instead of sing. and the funny thing is that despite their reactionary dissing of neo soul, theyre still close to that sound with their mellowness, their tranquility and their songlessness. (btw, sa ra are not peppermints and incense, lyrically speaking - people should listen closer).

all that said, sa-ra do have a few good songs to their credit, only about 3 or 4 though.

ppp, Monday, 16 May 2005 20:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...
Revive!

Sa-Ra have a new single/mini-compilation of their production work for Pharaoh Monche, J Dilla and Steve Spacek out now, called "Second Time Around." It is- como se dice?- fucking awesome. And apparently Kanye's signed them- if I hear "Glorious" or "Double Dutch" on mainstream pop radio I will be orgasmically happy.

Telephone thing, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

i heard that new EP of theirs
its shit, pretty much
double dutch and shimmy shimmy and songs like that are great, they should be big hits, but the rest of their stuff is really hit and miss, too much
that new ep sounds like its too in between commercial R&B/hip hop and funkier underground stuff
they need to take a few more greater risks

okok, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
sort of slow on the uptake here ... but anyway ...

waajeed live on deviation (bbc 1xtra)

1. diverse - aint right
2. platinum pied pipers - try me
3. jonny miller - everyday
4. teddy seven - steady
5. alison crockett - U R (yam who? remix)
6. leroy hutson - love this feeling (moodymann reedit)
7. metal fingers - orange blossom instrumental
8. platinum pied pipers ft elleuud - one to love you
9. waajeed - vangelis
10. slum village - la la
11. jay dee - guitar
12. jay dee - it's dope
13. jay dee - kaamal
14. sa ra creative partners - glorious
15. fourtet - serious as your life (jay dee remix ft guilty simpson)
16. wajeed - untitled beat
17. platinum pied pipers - better days
18. waajeed - tron
19. theo parrish - musical metaphors
20. amp fiddler - superficial (moodymann remix)
21. urban tribe - covert action
22. galaxy 2 galaxy - journey of the dragons
23. wajeed - tron
24. rhythim is rhythim - it is what it is
25. dego & kaidi tatham - ain't nothing you can't feel
26. dabrye - you know the formula right
27. brandy - turn it up

killer set, esp if you're feeling the whole jay-dee-meets-detroit-techno sort of vibe.

hold tight for the YSI.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

needless to say i like this stuff now.

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

and god that looks good. plz tell me it fits on a cd.

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

want

adamrl (nordicskilla), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

I tried making a mix of some sa ra/jay dee stuff and then adding moodymann/parrish and some straight up Teedra-style rnb, but it didn't sound quite right.

adamrl (nordicskilla), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

fits on 2CDs (cause it's a 2hr radio show). the person i slsk'd it off was kind enough to track it, too! so you can start the 2nd disc @ sa-ra's "glorious" and you have a nice 2cd set.

anyway before we get to the YSI:

it's all abt CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT.

it's hard to love this shit when it's SLSKed in the form of hastily-assembled "bootleg"/"unreleased" mp3 folders on random people's. i especially had this problem w/ sa-ra. i don't want to hear a 20 track "compilation" that's 1/3rd intros/skits and 1/3rd studio outtakes and random beat compositions.

on the other hand, hearing it in mixed form w/ benji b and waajeed's heartwarming collegial chatter over the top ... OMGs all around. why have i been sleeping on PPP?!?!

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

i was surprised that i didn't hear more about that plant life album when it came out cuz there was some good stuff on there.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

xpost - dude, meet me for lunch, you can have my PPP cd


plantlife is gooood.

jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

gah this YSI is taking AGES

(any idea how long 164 mb should take on 802.11g broadband?)

well, expect it by ... tomorrow, at the latest.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

OH SHIT

http://s8.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0EZMPVKF3OU18170O5LZ8JTU2B

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 14 January 2006 01:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

much appreciated

adamrl (nordicskilla), Saturday, 14 January 2006 01:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

That Diverse song is so dope. I'll check this out.

deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 14 January 2006 02:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

Thx dude.

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 02:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

bump

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 15 January 2006 02:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

i haven't listened to this. i'll listen to it on the way to work on tuesday and report back.

would you be at all interested in a DJ Houseshoes mix? he's a detroit dj who specializes in all this stuff. the beats are all fantastic, but (honestly) the mcs are kinda backpackery. i can upload if wanted

jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, 15 January 2006 02:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

gah stop bumping it until i get to work on monday so i can download it!!

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 15 January 2006 03:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

Damn, it's dead.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

ok i will re-up when strongo sez i can.

(poor strongo - working on dead president's day?)

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

the press never sleeps vahid.

(p.s. thnx dude)

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

re-up?

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 15:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

you're a good man

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

i listened to most of it on the bus this morning. getting into the techno area of the broadcast so i turned it off for a sec. this is pretty old huh? they played that jaydee/fourtet remix that's been out for a long time and wajeed hadn't even heard of it. and the PPP album hadnt' even been made yet.

i think i've heard most everything that they played. the coolest parts were the interviews and hearing that Amp Fiddler taught Jay Dee how to use the MPC. i've got the amp fiddler album, but i never really got into it. i should go back and give it another chance now

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

MUCH OLBIGED

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah it's quite old ... november 2003!

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

still, it's a good place to catch up

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

how much does this song sound like it could have been a jay dee beat?

Weather Report - River People

xpost - yeah, it's a really good show. i do appreciate it.

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

this shit better still be around when i get home

i love that diverse album

,, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

Anyone out there have a copy of Woebot's Sa-Ra CDR they'd care to YSI?

Crocus Behemoth (modern dance), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

i'm not sure what cdr woebot has, but back in may on this thread i posted a link to probably what he's talking about. it's the first place i heard about SaRa (and became addicted). 20 or so tracks.

www.brucewang.com/adoru/sa-ra.zip

link's still active.

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

It amazes me that the good Woebot would embrace something championed well over a year earlier by Straight No Chaser and Gilles Peterson.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

And Pépé Bradock -- wait, it's a trend!

What next, Ursula Rucker?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the link, Jaxon.

Crocus Behemoth (modern dance), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

Here's Woebot on the subject of Sa Ra:
http://www.woebot.com/2005/12/sara.html

Crocus Behemoth (modern dance), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha i just saw that pepe bradock post! i had never seen those sleeves before (curse of mp3 culture, cough cough). they're pretty hideous, though delightfully unexpected given that i kind of expected mirrored sunglasses and tanned bodies.

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

he missed my favorite.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

gah!

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

that kinda reminds me of the scene in alien where they're dissecting the face hugger after it's detached from ash

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

okay, as a present, here's dj language's art of customization mix from last year. spacek/sa-ra/jay dee/stones throw/random soul bits/a little broken towards the end/demo mix of ayers' "sunshine"/etc. i'll try to find the sleeve when i get home so i can do a tracklist since i cant find any info about this anywhere online.

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

anyone? anyone? bueller?

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

omg people, did you listen to my weather report upload?

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

thx strongo!

art of customization

1. Dollar - Steve Spacek
2. Now or Never - Platinum Pied Pipers
3. Hideyaface [Instrumental] - Prefuse 73
4. I Don't Care - Black Spade
5. Simply So [Sa-Ra Remix] - GB, Steve Spacek
6. Glorious - Sa-Ra Creative Partners
7. The Hop - Radio City
8. Reverible Top - Steve Spacek
9. Time Has Come - Exile, Slum Village
10. Can't Hold On - M.E.D.
11. Broad Factor - Quasimoto
12. Listen - Black Spade, Darien Brockington
13. Move, Pt.2 - Daz-I-Kue
14. Show Me the Way [Seiji Remix] - Zap Mama
15. Everybody Loves the Sunshine [Demo Version] - Roy Ayers

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

oh, while this thread is open, for anyone that might care, the new Daybre (remixes etc) sux. it's really boring. there's one good beat that's RUINED by terrible vocals. luckily there's an instrumental version of that song.

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

I listened to the Weather Report track, thx Jaxon. Best handclaps on a fusion record ever?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 05:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

i was only kidding about really wanting to know if people listened to that track. i was mainly making fun of jess and vahid. it's a good song though, huh?

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 06:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

for anyone who didn't dl the DJ Language mix above, here's GB ft. Steve Spacek "Simply So (SA-RA Vocal Remix)"
i'm still not really loving Spacek, and i have no idea who GB is, but this might be the best thing i've heard from Sa-Ra so far. i love the horns. i'd love to hear Outkast work with these guys.

one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Thursday, 19 January 2006 09:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...
Vahid that radio mix was great, much belated thnx for it. After listening to the new Dilla all weekend I listened to the mix again on my ipod on the way to work and I realized I need more of this. Does anyone (you? jaxon?) have any more stuff from Deviation, or any good comps/mixes? There's a DJ who spins this kind of shit pretty regularly at clubs in chicago now and he's pretty great. I think whats so interesting about this stuff (well, in the abstract anyway) is the way its v. much an intersection of varying music fans, a blend of hip-hop, soul and dance that manages at its best to avoid the mushy pitfalls all that implies.

I remember at one point benji b says that "next week" he'll tell the listeners about some compilations and mixes that cover the same ground as he does....but i dont have a next week. :-(

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 7 September 2006 04:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

i have tried to find stuff like that mix without a lot of success.

dj language is a little bit too much on the hiphop/rnb side, most broken beat stuff is a little too generic-dancey (weak vocalists?) ...

avoid the "galactic soul" comp

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 7 September 2006 04:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

WHOA Benji B will be in Chicago this september.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 8 September 2006 15:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

hmm this september being now. But I mean

09/21/2006 10:00 PM - Mighty, San Francisco
, San Francisco, CA 94101 - Unkown

09/22/2006 10:00 PM - King King, Los Angeles
, Los Angeles, CA 90001 -

Manhattan, NY, New York, NY 10001 -

09/29/2006 10:00 PM - Underbar, Boston
, Boston, MA 02101 - Unknown

09/30/2006 08:00 PM - Sonotheque, Chicago
, Chicago, IL 60601 - Unknown

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 8 September 2006 15:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

oops
09/26/2006 10:00 PM - Canal Room, New York
Manhattan, NY, New York, NY 10001 -

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 8 September 2006 15:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

wowzers. that SF Event is:

thurs 21
TRIPLE 5 SOUL:::
Soul Sessions Tour faeturing:
Theo Parrish
Rich Madina
Waajeed . Benji B
Ge-ology
J Boogie |9pm-3
FREE EVENT w/
RSVP HERE>

jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

but the info for the LA show isn't on that King King site

jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

sonotheque's calendar has been down since mid-august so i have no idea what the deal is here.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

i have 1 disc of a 2 disc DJ Houseshoes mix if you're interested. he's a detroit dj who plays all sorts of jay dee/slum inspired stuff. the beats are all pretty great, but the mcs are a bit too backpackery for me. lemme know and i'll try to find it and upload.

jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

Annual Soul Sessions Tour
Goes International In 2006


For a second year in a row, Triple Five Soul will be taking its ongoing interaction with the most cutting-edge of underground music culture on the road. The T5 SOUL SESSIONS TOUR will be expanding internationally in 2006 to include both Montreal and Tokyo amongst its visited cities (NYC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago and Boston).

Set to kick off in conjunction with the Fall 2006 collection at retail, the major legs of the tour will visit Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Montreal and San Francisco between September 21st and 28th. The 2006 lineup will include Aloe Blacc (Stones Throw), Black Spade (Reca.Sto), Blu Jemz (Turntable Lab/Money Studies), DJ Spinna (Wonder Wax/Beyond Real), Ge-ology (Female Fun/Time Warp NYC), Low B (Hollertronix), Platinum Army (Waajeed and Tiombe Lockhart), Roger Yamaha (Moonwalk Records), Theo Parrish (Sound Signature), Twilite Tone (Great Weekend), Valida (Proper) and T5 Soul Sessions 5 resident Benji B (Deviation/Radio 1XTRA UK).

Performances will include in store sessions at the T5S flaship store in Soho and top T5S retailers Villain’s Vault, Untitled, Fred Segal, Karmaloop, and Style X-change, as well as evening events at Mighty (San Francisco), King King (Los Angeles), Sonotechque (Chicago), Canal Room (NYC), Underbar (Boston) and The Cabaret (Montreal). Media support for the tour will be handled by the fellow music/fashion lovers at The Fader.

For specific tour date/city/rsvp info, please visit www.triple5soul.com/soulsessions2006


date: city: venue: rsvp:
in store:
9.21 San Francisco Mighty sfsoul@triple5soul.com Villain's Vault, 5-7pm
9.22 Los Angeles King King lasoul@triple5soul.com Fred Segal (Santa Mon./ Melrose), 4-6pm
9.26 NYC Canal Room nycsoul@triple5soul.com Triple Five Soul (SOHO), 6-8pm
9.27 Boston Underbar bostonsoul@triple5soul.com Karmaloop, 5-7pm
9.28 Montreal Cabaret montrealsoul@triple5soul.com Style X-Change, 6-8pm
9.30 Chicago Sonotheque chicagosoul@triple5soul.com Untitled (Lincoln Park), 2-4pm
TBA Tokyo TBA TBA TBA

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 11 September 2006 18:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

so, i'm listening to the Georgia Anne Muldrow "Odesi" album. it's really fucked up. it's like Sun Ra + Sa Ra. shit is really out, like June Tyson singing over Jay Dee beats. tons of crazy vocal overdubs. none of the melodies are sticking yet, but i still really like it. jess said the latest Spacek album was whispy like air and nothing there. this is like a harsh gust of wind. her mom sang w/pharoah sanders and i think i heard she was Dudley Perkin's (aka Declaime's) girlfriend. my friend's seen her live and says she puts on an amazing show.

http://www.stonesthrow.com/georgia/

jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 11 September 2006 19:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
Went to this, Benji B was great.
Theo Parrish sounded like he was trying to destroy sonotheque's speakers.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 2 October 2006 14:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

can anyone re-up the waajeed bbc1extra mix (somehow)??

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 2 October 2006 15:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

yes

HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 2 October 2006 15:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

The crowd was very 'be-seen' and dancing was pretty restrained. but it was still an interesting crowd and one of the dudes from the molemen (i think?) was there. I saw some of the Usual Suspects from your average Chicago hip-hop events, which was interesting; i guess they're pulled in by aloe blacc? I donno.

Is the Aloe Blacc record good?

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 2 October 2006 15:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

one of the dudes from the molemen (i think?) was there

ITEM!

and what (ooo), Monday, 2 October 2006 15:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

aloe blacc record not as good as i hoped, but not bad if you don't mind lots of "i'm a guy who grew up on hip-hop tryin to play latin now" tracks. it might be a grower.

shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

http://www.sendspace.com/file/697610

HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

i liked the aloe blacc roy ayers rmx

and what (ooo), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know if Sa-Ra's Black Fuzz is ever actually coming out? Last time I checked, amazon had relisted the release date as December 31, 2025, which means "we have no clue whatsoever." I finally tracked down the track ("Big Fame") Pitchfork panned in their track review section, and while it's definitely a step below "Double Dutch" or the "Hangin' by a String" cover, it's nowhere near as bad as they made it out to be...

Telephonething (Telephonething), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

i thought it was "Set Ups And Justifications", I got an album sampler for it from work the other day, so I'm assuming it will be released soon (??)

gaseous (gaseous), Monday, 2 October 2006 22:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

It and Hell Hath No Fury.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 00:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

thanks vahid!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

"i'm a guy who grew up on hip-hop tryin to play latin now"

this is pretty much sa-ra/andre3000/dudley perkins/many others in a nutshell, just replace latin with soul/funk/etc.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 19:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

"i'm a guy who grew up on hip-hop tryin to play latin now"

Anyone heard the new NORE?
OK this belongs in the rolling rap thread

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

i wanna hear it if its all reggaeton beats.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

thx vahid :)

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

id love to hear that mix vahid put up but i keep getting an error message saying the file is corrupt when i try to unzip it
any ideas?

robin (robin), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

i got that too, but then i used stuffit expander and it wuz all good

also make sure it's really finished downloading

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

thanks for the response...
i went and downloaded stuffit though and it still doesn't work,it says engine error:unknown format

anyone else getting this?

robin (robin), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

its not a corrupt file

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
http://music.rushhour.nl/store_master.php?search=beat+dimensions

^ WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE.

PRKLTR (flezaffe), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 14:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

that is great!

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
http://www.smokingsection.net/TSS/?p=811
Pressure (Fat Beats Records) is an official mixtape of Black Milk’s previous works – from tracks he did for Pharaoh, Canibus, and SV to cuts from earlier solo efforts. Black Milk hails from the D – and will endlessly struggle with separating himself from J Dilla. T3 said of “Reunion” an SV joint that appears on Pressure: “A lot of people thought that was a Dilla track.”

free download http://fatbeats.com/blackmilkpressuremixcd/

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
sweden? sweden!

http://www.myspace.com/uphygh

fies, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

This is kinda alright.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah it's okay.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

http://www.myspace.com/stacyepps

anyone else doing this kind of thing? im hopelessly out of touch w/ everything r&b.

ǝɟɟɐzǝɟ (☪), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 13:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

What's the Science? Is the question we direct to all those that dwell on the Planet Earth! From the Mother Continent of Africa, to the hills of Europe, on over to the wilderness of North America, all the way back to the Coast of Asia, living under the umbrella of Hip-Hop Culture. We ask you all, What's the Science? We are living in a time where Hip-Hop Culture is one of the most powerful forces that exists around us that helps unite people of all races, colors, creeds, religions and schools of thought under one flag. It's time to give proper thanks and praise and reverence to the ERA that raised us and guided this same movement, that still exists today, on the next level. We stand here before you as Students of the same conscious movement that birthed the likes of AFRIKA BAMBATAA, KRS ONE, RAKIM, PUBLIC ENEMY, BRAND NUBIAN, X-CLAN, POOR RIGHTEOUS TEACHERS, KMD, THE NATIVE TONGUE and countless others that brought forth an entire essence that took the world by storm and made it cool to be intelligent. What's the Science? How long will it take us to stand up strong again to make sure that the youth have some substance to feed off in order to grow into powerful, resourceful and responsible adults able to make positive changes to the world in which we live. What's The Science?

1. Inspiration
2. Love, Hugs And Hip-Hop Soul feat. Miguel Atwood-Ferguson, Nick Rosen
3. The Right Song feat. Tiffany Paige, Fabian Ammon, Miguel Atwood-Ferguson
4. The Natural Scriptures
5. Higher feat. Tiffany Paige, Daedelus
6. Circulate feat. Invizible Handz, Nobody, Flying Lotus
7. What's The Science?
8. Honor, Courage and Karma feat. Prince Po, Dexter Story, Nate Morgan
9. Constant
10. The Replenish
11. Freedom feat. Tiffany Paige
12. The Dream feat. Dwight Trible, Miguel Atwood-Ferguson

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 00:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

So the new PPP record Abundance is around. Hip hop elements are pretty much indiscernible. The music sounds like a live band, sometimes in a straight motown/stax soul kind of way, as in the excellent "On A Cloud", sometimes with cosmic funk keys, as in "Luv Affair". A handclap-doublehandclap rhythm pops up often. Track six, "Sanctuary", is the first song that could be called a downbeat r n' b ballad in the sa-ra mold, with beats, funk fuzz and off-kilter effects that continue into "Ain't No Ifs or Maybes". "The Ghost Of Aveiro" starts like a poetic torch song with sustained notes over Latin rhythms, then after a samba breakdown with dizzy high horns becomes something highly danceable with excited vocals. The double-handclaps re-appear for "Countless Excuses", a sweet poppy soul song of regret backed with spacey synths. Both of these are A+. Fuzz and scuzz returns on "Dirty Secrets", this time with a stompy schaffel backbeat. The two-minute "Goodbye" goes four to the floor with a Kraftwerk keyboard motif, introduces some snares and is in danger of becoming full-on dance music before stopping.

Singing is by Coultrain, Karma Stewart, Jamila Raegan and Neco Redd. It's fifteen tracks, sixteen if you count the hidden one. Clocks in under an hour and still felt a bit long to me on first listen. Definitely interesting though.

subroc back to haunt, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 05:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

http://www.myspace.com/aqeel

love a mystery!

, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 14:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

I could not get into the new record at all.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 14:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

aw, i loved abundance. especially the karma stewart numbers, "on a cloud" is fierce as fuck

Leif ericsonned (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 15:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

new ppp is way better than old ppp. but even then, i like it, but it can seem like its trying to do too much at once.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 15:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Abundance is all right, but Triple P is a lot better imo. All the great personalities that were present on the first record got shafted in favor of anono-soulers.

The-Reverend (rev), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 23:23 (5 years ago) Permalink


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