Classic or Dud: "Ladies and Gentlemen..WEEN!"

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You've seen them on Viva Variety on Comedy Central. You've heard their drug endused tales of talking with Golden Eels and pissing on the Blarney Stone. Are these guys musical visionaries or mentally challenged hippies with too many infleunces to make coheirent records? Talk it up.

Brock K, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

A lot of bands start off really lo-fi and amateurish, then their albums get more elaborate over time. The later albums are often so different from the early albums that normal 'organic development' seems unlikely, so the conceptual and sonic disparities are explained as evidence of
a) Performer indifference/outside influence/commercial pressure/etc or
b) evidence of minutely detailed, almost flawless, and possibly sentient and otherworldly intelligence at work.
Very few artists convince me that the latter is the case, and these fuckers are among them. One of the few bands I am actually curious about the intentions behind EVERY one of their songs. Which means I expend quite a bit more time listening to them than is probably good for somebody, but I don't mind. In other words, they're in the Bruce Springsteen category AFAIC

dave q, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

They've really grown to suck badly since they've gotten old and become scientoligists. Not to mention their huge group of smelly, stoned fans that follow them around everywhere pronounceing that they definatly arn't hippies! Whatever, things were so good when they were just fucking around on a 4 track. Then they had to go and fuck it up.

chaki, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

They've really grown to suck badly since they've gotten old and become scientoligists.

Ween, not Beck! ;-)

I'm with Dave Q to a large extent, though comparing them to Bruce Springsteen is a bit like saying a really good filet mignon is on par with Del Taco meat product. Regardless -- ever since friend EJL raved about them to me back in 1991 and made all of us listen to them, I've always found at least a little time for them somewhere. Haven't seen them live in a long while, since 1996 or so, but my sister, who claims them as her fave band, takes up the family slack there. Long may they wibble.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

ot to mention their huge group of smelly, stoned fans that follow them around everywhere pronounceing that they definatly arn't hippies!

O my goodness. Their fans are effing lunatics. I saw them play in 97 during their "Push the Little Daisies" fame, and all the front row of people did was yell and curse and flash body parts and even urinate on stage, and this was in front of 2k people! They have got some of the most messed of fans on the face of the earth, and I love it.

Brock K, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

beck was BORN into scientology, even though he still denies it. i wonder why he does. i mean, everyone knows. his band, producer, mom are all scinos. so weird these hollywood fucks.

chippy, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

The closest thing to a Nineties version of Zappa and the Mothers (scatological lyrics, helium voices, and tape tricks included), IMHO. Which, as long-time ILMers will attest, will put them pretty high in my book ;-p Not withstanding the foregoing, any band that would superimpose their heads onto a Leonard Cohen album, and use that as an album cover (see The Pod) also has to rate somehow.

I hold that Pure Guava, Chocolate and Cheese, and The Mollusk (esp. The Mollusk) are three underrated masterpieces.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ween = ("Barnes & Barnes") + ("They Might Be Giants") - Wit.

Lord Custos, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Continues Where The Dead Milkmen left off..." (Yaaaaayyyyy!!!)

Lord Custos, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

This thread reminds me -- Ween was one of the groups that one of my ex's absolutely despised (along with Zappa, My Bloody Valentine, and Radiohead).

I know New Hope, PA (from whence the Weeners sprung) quite well ... their vibe is very much of that town. If anyone cares - - it's a nice day-trip from Philly.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

They're just too much like a novelty act for me, and I can't cope with that at all. Just another one of those bands where I simply cannot see the attraction.

electric sound of jim, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I know New Hope, PA (from whence the Weeners sprung) quite well ... their vibe is very much of that town. If anyone cares - - it's a nice day-trip from Philly.

Travel Tip. Just avoid nearby Peddlers Village or Lahaska. Its like and overpriced version of New Hope without the charm. It's Martha Stewarts Wet Dream. But it funny to see an entire city who's only import/export is antiques. 300+ antique shops...in...a...row...

Lord Custos, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hey, Henry Rollins digs Ween!

Lord Custos, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hey, Henry Rollins digs Ween!
As good a reason as any to hate them, as I do (my thoughts pretty much echo electric sound of jim's...sorry, Tadusz, I just can't see the Zappa lineage that strongly, because you always knew Zappa was smart whereas Ween always sounds profoundly dumb to me).

Speaking of Rollins picks, anybody remember Die Cheerleader?

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Whoops, sorry TadEusz. I needed that extra e for a post elsewhere on the board. I have replaced it here now that I've retrieved it: e. Add to the appropriate places.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Re Die Cheerleader - the Brazen Hussies bass player was in a short- lived stoner rock band with Rita, but he didn't introduce me to her because he thought I would say something lecherous and perverted. He was correct. Anyway, that's my four (I think - how does this game work?) degrees of separation from Greg Ginn!

dave q, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...
Ween really is the American Beatles. There's no other way to put it.

Matt Kendall (mattkendall), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 12:53 (12 years ago) Permalink

tell me about the non-threatening upbeat
happy decent actual *songs* they've written.
every time i hear them it's like
'oh good another one about prostitutes'.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:50 (12 years ago) Permalink

piscesboy, check out...

"Sarah" or "She's My Baby" for sure. Very beautiful songs.

My favorite thing about Ween, among the countless other reasons, is that they're the only band that can be so retardedly stupid (in a good way) one minute (aka "Pumpin' for the Man", which is also a very appropriate song to listen to if you work hard for $5.50/hr), and the very next be playing a completely gorgeous amazing song the next (aka "Sarah", which is just stunning), with ZERO tongue-in-cheek factor.

IMHO, they're the REALest band this side of Fishbone, and I personally believe every album they've made so far has been even more amazing than the next. Plus, they're one of the best concerts I've ever experienced.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:57 (12 years ago) Permalink

And also IMHO Matt Kendall is OTM.

Some more serious good non-threatening upbeat songs with very-little-to-zero mention of prostitutes for piscesboy:

"Exactly Where I'm At"
"A Tear for Eddie"
"Freedom of '76" (okay, a little silly, but still beautiful)
"Take Me Away"
"Buckingham Green"
"Flutes of Chi"

And if the phrase "novelty band" had existed back then, you'd better believe the Beatles would have been one. "Buffalo Bill" anyone?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 15:03 (12 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
thought : wtf is 'buffalo bill' ?

piscesboy, Thursday, 30 January 2003 13:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Buffalo Bill" by The Beatles...a novelty band if there ever was one.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 30 January 2003 14:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

I think that's "Bungalow Bill"

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

D'oh!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

"She places the lotion in the basket or else she gets the hose again"

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

i think, you'll all find that it's neither
it's 'the continuing story of bungalo bill'.

come on this is the *fabs*
we're talking about here -
have some respect.

piscesboy, Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

Uh, that's be "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill", piscesboy. Let he who is without sin . . .

J (Jay), Thursday, 30 January 2003 17:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

And Ween are freakin' great. Anybody who thinks they're just a joke band hasn't listened closely. I suggest you try ignoring the lyrics.

J (Jay), Thursday, 30 January 2003 17:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
I know I'm resurectum a completely old and dead post, but, fuck it, I'm drunk.

Ween rule, and they are also a beam of guiding light for anyone who's former bandmates live 400 miles away and all you gots is a 4-track, drum machine, mic, and a few guitars.

Hellfuck, Friday, 21 May 2004 23:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Where did the motherfuckin' cheese go at?
(i don't know)

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 May 2004 03:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ween are geniuses.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

TEN CATCHY-AS-HELL WEEN SONGS WITH NON-STUPID LYRICS:
1. Voodoo Lady
2. Buenos Tardes Amigo
3. Tried and True
4. Flutes of the Chi
5. Exactly Where I'm At
6. Don't Get 2 Close (2 My Fantasy)
7. What Deaner Was Talking About
8. Take Me Away
9. Mutilated Lips
10. The H.I.V. Song

Jeez, here I am looking at all the mp3s I have of this band, and I'm thinking why the hell doesn't anybody like them??? These songs are fucking fantastic!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

ALL of those songs have stupid lyrics, yet they undeniably rule

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

I guess "stupid" wasn't exactly the right word. More like "sophomoric." Like for example, "Let me lick your pussy / Let me eat your cunt" or "Baby baby baby bitch. / Fuck you you stinkin'-ass ho."

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

For a Ween "look-they-aren't-entirely-retarded" POX, I would go:

1. Sarah
2. She's Your Baby
3. It's Gonna Be Alright
4. Cold Blows the Wind
5. If You Could Save Yourself (You'd Save Us All)
6. Right To the Ways and Means of the World
7. Exactly Where I'm At
8. Buckingham Green
9. Chocolate Town*
10.It's Gonna Be A Long Night

*(it is often presumed that this song is a reference to anal sex, but I contend that it is a tribute to Hershey Pennsylvania)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

"The HIV song" doesn't have stupid lyrics??

"You Were The Fool" and "It's Gonna Be Alright" are without a doubt the 2 best "serious" Ween songs. Definitley both are in my top 5 ween songs, and they're both fucking gorgeous.

billstevejim, Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

x-post Tofu, you should post one of those Pizza Hut commercials on your your hut. That shit is kuh-lassic.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Let me lick your pussy

You mean the Prince cover?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ween are great. I stayed away from them for the longest time, mostly because I didn't like the people I know who were fans. But an acquaintance one time made me a mix cd with their songs and I loved it. They're fucked up, funny, intelligent, sophomoric, AND sincere.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 22 May 2004 20:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

actually the "motherfucking cheese" track is scheduled to show up on my FUCK album review spectacular, forthcoming.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 23 May 2004 08:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

The tracklisting for my FUCK mix CD:

1 Madonna "What the Fuck Do You Think You're Doing?"
2 Millie Jackson "The Fuck You Symphony (Live)"
3 The Coup "Lazymuthafucka"
4 Beck "Fuckin' With My Head"
5 Sleater-Kinney "Write Me Back, Fucker"
6 Liz Phair "Fuck and Run"
7 Missy Elliott "They Don't Wanna Fuck Wit' Me"
8 Fischerspooner "Fucker"
9 Tupac Shakur "Fuck 'Em All"
10 Ol' Dirty Bastard "You Don't Want to Fuck With Me"
11 50 Cent "Fuck You"
12 Jay Z "Fuck That"
13 Three 6 Mafia "Get the Fuck Out My Face"
14 Ween "Where th' Motherfucking Cheese At?"
15 Jon and Al Kaplan "Put the Fucking Lotion in the Basket"
16 Trey Stone and Matt Parker "Shut Your Fucking Face, Uncle Fucker"
17 Peaches "I Don't Give a Fuck"
18 Rage Against the Machine "Fuck Tha Police (Live)"
19 Dub Narc "Fuck Shit Up"
20 Eamon vs. Sinead O'Connor "Fucking Compares 2 U (DJ Fancy Dan MiX)"
21 D'Angelo "Shit Damn Motherfucker (Live)"
22 Magnetic Fields "How Fucking Romantic"
23 Belle and Sebastian "Fuck This Shit"
24 Bernie Mac "Motherfucker"
25 Black Sheep "For Doz That Slept"

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 23 May 2004 08:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

hey fatboy (asshole)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

when ween comes to your town, bring them hot meals.
no more junk food, thanks.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
"As I scope the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBE
I am the one
Who controls the SUN!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Classic. No contest.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

BLUDGEON YER EYE!!!!!

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

ned otm

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just think of the master

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

The tracklisting for my FUCK mix CD

If I may suggest:
26. Eminem - "Just Don't Give a Fuck".

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

"And I know that things will last as time elapse, elapses...time elapses through the soooouuunnd of you, and the things we could do!"

Classico amigo.

Piers (piers), Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

How many bands have invent their own demon god and continue to write about it for 10+ years?

Of those bands, how many name said demon god "Boognish?"

They were classic the first time I heard "You Fucked Up" and the were classic the last time I heard the 6+ minute long version of "Where'd the Cheese Go?" on their fan-request live album. Which was this afternoon.

I do have to disagree vehemently that they've anything in common with They Might Be Giants other than being a band with a core of two guys both of whom have severely under-noticed musicianship and songwriting ability. I completely get why some folks don't "get" either or both of these bands, but I still maintain that it's really easy to overlook facts like the fact that Dean just fucking shreds.

Fact.

On a related note: Moistboyz... C or D? Cause I had reservations (though I probably still wouldn't have said Dud right off), but now I have heard Moistboyz III on vinyl, and I'm gonna have to say Classic.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 18 November 2004 07:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

above "have invent" should be "have invented," obv.
"the were classic" = "they were classic"

It's late.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 18 November 2004 07:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

How come in this three year old thread, no-one has mentioned how much 'Captain Fantasy' fuckin' rocks??!!

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

"PLEASE WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE..."

Moistboyz -- I enjoy them, my sister, the ultra-Ween fan mentioned above, LURVS them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

Indeed "Capt. Fantasy" rocks mightily, and The Pod remains Ween's best album.

It goes like this (scale from 1-10):

GodWeenSatan - 7
The Pod - 8
Pure Guava - 7
The Mollusk - 6
White Pepper - 5

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

(I'm leaving off the ones I don't own and haven't heard as much of.)

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

But Dude, you need Chocolate & Cheese in that case - it's like The Pod without the Scotchguard haze!

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

(Wow! That was my first post using italics. And it worked! I might consider introducing myself and being less of an all-round lurker now.)

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

ONE OF US.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

It will be interesting to see how they rate in the ILX 90's album poll. I place GodWeenSatan and The Mollusk very high on my list.

Yes I would say that, I would say that.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

(x-post)

Ha ha. Thanks Ned!

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

But Dude, you need Chocolate & Cheese in that case - it's like The Pod without the Scotchguard haze!

I have it on VERY good authority that the haze on The Pod has less to do with Scotchguard than it has to do with the fact that both Dean and Gene had mono during the recording of it.


There is a toss up for my favorite Ween song. It's like a battle... Captain Fantasy vs. Doctor Rock.

FITE!

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Also, nate, I think you need to listen to The Mollusk again....

Do it before you get Chocolate and Cheese, too. Cause when you get Chocolate and Cheese it'll be the only thing in your CD player for quite a while.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

*doo doo doo doo doo dum dum dum dum dum*

"AIDS"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

yes, C&C is great.

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

maybe i'll sell you a chicken

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've listened to parts of "Choc & Cheese" but it's been a while - I remember finding it a let-down after "Pure Guava" when it first came out. I've listened to the "Mollusk" many times. I find lo-fi purism to be a major dud, but Ween are one of those (rare) bands that really seemed to lose some element of fun or spontaneity or something almost in direct inverse proportion to their increasing production values on each record.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

OTM there, o. nate. But I loves Chocolate & Cheese. I hope it places on the 100 albums of the 90's.

darin (darin), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

The only place where I really think Ween's production values affected the spontaneity of their recordings is in their ability to always have more takes. Cause they lost the fun that was having vocal tracks where at least one verse found Gene audibly trying not to laugh while singing.

On the other hand the new in-studio live one does feature a couple moments like this in spite of the recording quality being terrific.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

DOCTOR ROCK!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

"He was head honcho with the ladies"

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 19 November 2004 17:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

"I tell you, it was meeeeee who killed him.
But the truth I'll never have to say."

Get it? GET IT???? Everybody thought the other guy killed his brother, but it was actually the narrator of the song!! And now he'll never tell anybody the real truth, because now he's gonna kill him too!!

What a classic song. Best Ween song ever (and therefore one of the greatest songs ever written)!

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 19 November 2004 18:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

The Mollusk: 10+
Chocolate and Cheese: 10
GodWeenSatan: The Oneness: 9.5
Pure Guava: 9
Quebec: 9
12 Golden Country Greats: 8.5
White Pepper: 8
The Pod: 7

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 19 November 2004 18:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

8.5!?!?

"Piss Up a Rope" alone trounces everything on Quebec!

Bah!

I also don't get the preoccupation so many folks have with "Buenas Tardes." To me it's one of the few Ween songs where the joke just isn't funny after repeated listens. That, and it's too fucking long for what is a seriously weak punchline/twist after you already know the story.

"Mister Would You Please Help My Pony" on the other hand rocks, is bittersweet and funny as fuck.

He coughed up snot in the driveway, and I think his lung's fucked up.

Man I changed my mind. Three way battle for best song.

No wait, four way battle: "Sketches of Winkle".

She was a meditative hooker all strung out on Sinatra.

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 19 November 2004 18:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've listened to parts of "Choc & Cheese" but it's been a while - I remember finding it a let-down after "Pure Guava" when it first came out. I've listened to the "Mollusk" many times. I find lo-fi purism to be a major dud, but Ween are one of those (rare) bands that really seemed to lose some element of fun or spontaneity or something almost in direct inverse proportion to their increasing production values on each record.

o.nate otm.

I remember buying Pure Guava in high school (b/c of “Daisies”) on tape, listening to on the bus, walking around the neighborhood, in my room, everywhere. Twas in love. Thinking about it now, it was the first of many sprawling, sloppy records I would become enamoured of as the years unfurled. I could sing every word, without messing up, of any song from that record...and that’s not true of many others I was into in ‘92/‘93/’94. (somehow I never got around to buying the earlier stuff)

So then Chocolate & Cheese came out and I flat out HATED it. It was too competent and not funny enough and there were other musicians involved that were pros. Owned this for perhaps a month before hocking it. (I did love Freedom of ’76 and a few others) Then I sorta gave up on ‘em.

When White Pepper came out I decided to give it a chance...only to discover that it was more boring than C&C had been (“Even If You Don’t” was the only song I liked). Heard C&C in a store recently and it sounded a lot better than it did when I was 17. Eventually I’ll give ‘em another go....

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

It was too competent

That's the criticism I don't get unless you just mean the engineering/production was too competent. The musicianship has improved, yeah, but they were always competent musicians. Part of what I find so brilliant about them is how they've managed somehow to hide that from people so much. I mean the guitarwork on "Sketches of Winkle" is very competent. (To be honest the early Ween stuff is also amazingly well-recorded for something done on a four track too. Pure Guava especially.)

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

The musicianship has improved, yeah, but they were always competent musicians. Part of what I find so brilliant about them is how they've managed somehow to hide that from people so much

Absolutely -- the 1991 Trouser Press entry for them summed it up perfectly: "poorly disguised musical skills"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

Is anyone familiar with the b-side "Vallejo"? It is one of the funniest fucking things ever put to tape.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

Weens is sooo much better than most bands that are "really, seriously trying". So classic it hurts.

Nancy Boy (Nancy Boy), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Weens is sooo much better than most bands that are "really, seriously trying". So classic it hurts. On Quebec "Transdermal Celebration" is the best track, even better than "Piss Up A Rope".

Nancy Boy (Nancy Boy), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

with poison interlaced with the meat

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

let me in on this..

GodWeenSatan The Oneness 8.8
The Pod 9.8
Pure Guava 10.0
Chocolate And Cheese 9.0
12 Golden Country Greats 9.7
The Mollusk 10.0
Painting The Town Brown 8.1
White Pepper 8.3
Quebec 8.6

And I suppose if they ever release a 4-CD boxed set with all the best b-sides and rare tracks, that would obviously be a 10.0.

billstevejim, Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Doesn't anyone else prefer to listen to Ween for their outstanding songwriting skills, and not so much for the "jokes?"

Oh shit, also..

Moistboyz III 8.3
Z-Rock Hawaii 8.8

Haven't heard the first 2 Moistboyz records yet.

billstevejim, Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

To me it's one of the few Ween songs where the joke just isn't funny after repeated listens.

But it's NOT a joke!! It's an honest-to-God straight-up murder ballad! Ween are honestly trying to emulate certain styles of music that they happen to enjoy! Hell, with a couple exceptions, I bet you will not laugh out loud ONCE during the entirety of Chocolate and Cheese and all the albums afterward. You want to laugh, go listen to "The Stallion Part 1" or "Nan" or "Common Bitch" or "Up on the Hill."

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 20 November 2004 14:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...
The musicianship has improved, yeah, but they were always competent musicians.

competent? dean is a great, really expressive, blues-rock guitarist, and gene is a spectacularly elastic singer, and if they tried to hide it on their records it was always plainly evident from their live shows. i haven't paid close attention in several years, but i used to love 'em partly BECAUSE of those skills.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...
Long live WEEN!

I heard Push Th' Little Daisies and just thought it was wierd, heard Voodoo Lady and kinda liked it. For some reason I was always very suspicious of them, and I don't know why. I bought Quebec for some reason and it didn't move me very much. A year later I tried the Mollusk and it totally blew me away. I still think it's their best album. I gradually got a few more albums, and I discovered that the more albums I heard the more I liked them overall. It is very hard to get a sense of this band from only a couple of albums. A few days ago I went on a binge and bought everything I was missing, so I've been drowning in Ween. I haven't listened to anything else in about two weeks, which is something that has never happened with me. All day long at work on the ipod, all night long on the stereo. At some point, the wife is going to put a stop to this.

Joseph Cowart (Joseph Cowart), Saturday, 12 November 2005 10:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's very easy to get wrapped up in their world, wrapped up in their injokes, wrapped up in all their stylistic variations, just totally immersed and geeking out -- and this, weirdly enough, is something I find hard to say about a lot of "serious" bands. Easy to pull people in when you populate your world with bizarro comic-book characters (Boognish, Dr. Rock, Captain Fantasy, Eddie Dingle and Danny, etc.), but there's still something there: why, exactly, doesn't "serious" music more often populate itself with concrete figures and situations and stories? And now that "proper" music cuts so hard into its own stylistic niches, wouldn't it be nice to see more bands working along the lines of mid-period Ween -- bands whose sounds can run in any number of directions, and yet still be unified by an overarching aesthetic? (We could just as easily be talking about the Cure on that one, I guess.)

I dunno. I originally got involved with this band in a kind of collegiate-stoner scene and sense, thanks mostly to a friend who geeked out on them more than I can ever dream to. What keeps them from every being a "joke" band -- and what I think has been spelled out by the progression of their albums -- is that no matter what kind of song they're attempting, they tend to commit to it absolutely and entirely. Often they're joking, but it's incredibly rare that they're actually parodying a sound. This is possibly why Chocolate and Cheese works well for me: it was the first moment where the really leapt beyond the fun of their recording process, and the songs managed to come out fully functional without really changing much at all. "Freedom of 76," or "Joppa Road" -- the lyrics joke (a little), but is there really anything about these songs that doesn't function really well within the styles they're adopting? And from there to, umm ... "Ocean Man?" It's only really after The Mollusk that I feel like they've dedicated themselves more than I like to their "proper" songwriting, and in the process lost a little of the imagination and breadth of the stuff before.

I'd actually say the same of a lot of the lyrics, but that's a little more complicated -- something about how a "weird" song will read as funny, intentionally off, even when it can more interestingly be read as (theoretically) serious. E.g. as a light example, what makes "Freedom of 76" so far removed from a "real" tribute to Philadelphia? (And for a heavier one, isn't it kind of fun to imagine "Mister Would You Please Help My Pony" as an actual situation and problem? Kid's pony is in mortal peril!)

Anyway yeah: it helps to try not to read "weird" as "funny," because in a lot of cases, with these guys, it's actually just wonderfully imaginative, especially when it comes to the songs and the sonics -- which are rarely half-assed "joke" performances, and are often written for total earnest effect. I'm surprised more people don't cover these songs, to be honest: I know Phish have adopted "Roses are Free" as practically theirs, but there are loads and loads of great fascinating songs beyond that kinda begging for various interpretations.

The White Album reference from before is a really terrific one -- styles and novelties thrown on out of sheer imagination, and delivered in a way that's not "kidding" but fully-committed and just incidentally fun. And if you think everyday Ween fans are freaks, then whoah Jesus you should have seen the crowds that showed up for their country tour! I have some some weird-ass people in my life, but nothing tops the country contingent at their Chicago show for that one.

nabiscothingy, Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
Ooh ooh I wanna rate them too!

Axes: Bold as Boognish - 5.5
God Ween Satan - 9
Pod - 9.5
Pure Guava - 7.5
Chocolate & Cheese - 7
12 Golden Country Greats - 9
Mollusk - 8
White Pepper - 7
Quebec - 5.5
Shinola - 7


LoneNut, Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

"keepin' little pumas locked up in a cage"

mom, Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

plagued by an image of days gone by

flies on my...........DICK!!!

mom, Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

"My mom bought me a cool shirt. When I wear it, I'm the shit."

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 10 February 2006 03:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
"FRAAANK, GIVE ME A PORK ROLL EGG AND CHEEEESE IF YOU PLEEEASE, WITH SOME GRAVY FRIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS..........."

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

Whoa, I am listening to The Pod RIGHT NOW!!! (it's on Pollo Asado)

Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Monday, 31 July 2006 17:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Me too!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'll be yer johnny on the spot...

Classic

J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

CAPTAIN FANTASY!!1!!!11!

Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Monday, 31 July 2006 17:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

Those early albums still rule the goddamn roost.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

All their albums rule the goddamn roost.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

I haven't heard the later ones as much. :-/

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

They're okay. Once upon a time, I dug the first few albums an awful lot. But I found I cared less and less as time went by. Not so much that the quality dropped, but my interest level sure did. Not sure why... Guess I just found 'em more charming when they seemed like go-nowhere losers fucking around (brilliantly) on a 4-track.

I wish them the best of luck in everything they do.

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

Ohwhoa,duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.

Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Monday, 31 July 2006 18:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

...like a brother on skates...

the doaple gonger (nickalicious), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

Their live albums rule the goddamn roost, even though they do not come close to recreating the sheer awesomeness that is a live ween experience. Although live albums don't have stinky stoners constantly moshing into you.

danzig (danzig), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

don't get 2 close 2 my fantasy
don't be afraid to touch the hand of your creator
stare into the lion's eye
and if you taste the candy
you'll get to the surprise

yesssssssssssssssssssssssss.

Emily B (Emily B), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 03:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

im otm on this thread: Ween. Are they great or what?

ween are better now at singing and playing guitar but worse at making records.
-- ¨?¨?¨?¨?¨?¨? (chaki.time...), June 20th, 2006 1:17 PM. (chaki)

Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 03:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

Let us all anticipate the new Ween FRIENDS EP (due 06/19) and untitled album (due sometime this fall)!

Roxor.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 7 June 2007 22:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

"what deaner was talking about" is the shins but better

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 7 June 2007 22:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

HOLY BALLS I AM SEEING THEM LIVE ON SUNDAY.

taste the waste!

Emily Bjurnhjam, Thursday, 7 June 2007 22:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

My cat's name is Captain Fantasy.

Davey D, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

"Don't Laugh (I Love You)" is all the twee most people will ever want.

Cunga, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 23:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Jesus Christ
Pain
Take one
Yeah! Pain

Last time I saw you, I was holding your hand
And I couldn't wait for you to leave
I knew right then that it was over and done
And I couldn't believe that I was free

Help me now, I'm going down
And I don't know if I'll be ok
I'll be around, I'll be in town
If you need a place to stay

When the wind blows and there's a chill in the air
I hope that someone is taking care of you
I'm alright, yeah, I'm really ok
Just so you know I'm always there for you

Help me now, I'm going down
And I don't know if I'll be ok
I'll be around, I'll be in town
If you need a place to stay

Anton Levain (jdchurchill), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Just had a thought, could "Buckingham Green" be a reference to Lindsey + Peter? Or is it just a cool English-sounding name?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 16 July 2010 11:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

I always thought that it was a reference to the Buckingham Green Shopping Center located a few miles down the road from New Hope, PA.

bmus, Friday, 16 July 2010 17:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Seeing these dudes tomorrow again! Hope they go light on the La Cucaracha album, the only dud in their catalog IMO...

ColinO, Saturday, 17 July 2010 04:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Where did the motherfucking cheese go at?

lol @ dog w/ sunglasses (Pillbox), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 17:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

(i don't know)

lol @ dog w/ sunglasses (Pillbox), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 22:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

ween, the clusterfucking (from what I hear): http://www.straight.com/article-369810/vancouver/ween-completely-blows-it-bizarre-vancouver-show

symsymsym, Saturday, 29 January 2011 03:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

Hope they go light on the La Cucaracha album, the only dud in their catalog IMO...

people keep putting down La Cucaracha, but the two tracks I have heard from it (Woman And Man and the divine Your Party) are both amazing.

Particularly Your Party, which is plainly the best song ever recorded by anyone.

The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 30 September 2011 11:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

are there really standouts from that album? maybe i'll give it another shot.

billstevejim, Saturday, 1 October 2011 00:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

dirty vicar otm. "woman and man" is ween's "sympathy for the devil." the sax on "your party" kills. "spirit walker" could have been on 'white pepper.' "friends" is one of their best songs. all in all have to say this album is better than 'quebec'

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 1 October 2011 00:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

single version of Friends >>>>>>>> album version of Friends

robocop last year was a 'shop (sic), Saturday, 1 October 2011 02:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think quebec is maybe their best, so I cant agree with that, but La C isn't as terrible as you've probably heard
I dig "Blue Balloon" quite a bit, it's a really dumb song but I like it

frogbs, Saturday, 1 October 2011 02:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

by the way it's 2012 now and they still haven't released a follow up, now I'm getting sad (especially considering how prolific these guys used to be)

frogbs, Thursday, 5 January 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

solo Gene Ween coming soon...

http://www.aaronfreeman.net/

billstevejim, Friday, 13 April 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

If I'm reading this correctly, it's produced by the same guy who did 12 Golden Country Greats...

billstevejim, Friday, 13 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

this is actually pretty good. completely dissimilar to Ween outside of maybe a few tracks on White Pepper. just kind of a lush, upbeat pop album, kinda of intentionally campy, but really catchy and fun

frogbs, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

a lush, upbeat pop album, kinda of intentionally campy...

It's an album of Rod McKuen covers. So there you go.

Hideous Lump, Thursday, 10 May 2012 02:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

classic Deaner:

me and carlos sort of collaborate-------I think enough time has passed where I can finally tell my favorite Ween story of all-time.
The businesses and the people involved have long since closed their doors and moved on for good and hopefully the people involved (and Carlos himself, if it comes to that) will have a good sense of humor about this story.

In 2003 Ween released our album “quebec” on Sanctuary Records. We worked on the album for 2 years in our beach house in Holgate,NJ, a rented house in the Pocono Mountains of PA, the garage behind Aaron’s house in Pt. Pleasant, PA, my upstairs guest room, and finally Andrew Weiss’s living room in NJ. We also worked at Water Music in Hoboken, NJ and Graphic Sound Studios in Ringoes, NJ. It was not a great period in our personal lives, Aaron was going thru a divorce and I was partying way too hard myself—it was some dark shit. The record is one of my favorites, but it is a depressing album lyrically. It was not an easy record to make either, as evidenced by the amount of places we worked, trying to find the right environment. There are demos available online that I posted where you can hear the process at work, we racked up our normal batch of like 6 dozen songs or more before whittling it down to what was finally released, 15 tunes.

I am a huge fan of Carlos Santana. He is one of my favorite guitarists of all-time. He is playing better these days than ever before in my opinion. His music is more radio friendly, for sure, but as a guitarist he has aged like a fine wine. Only Neil Young, Prince, and a small handful of others can make that claim as they become members of the AARP.

We were working in Andrew’s living room on the song “Transdermal Celebration”, our drummer Claude Coleman had just gotten into a horrific car crash and left us w/o a drummer for the recording and ensuing tour. Eventually it worked itself out where the record took so long to complete that Claude made enough of a recovery to do the world tour with us supporting “quebec.” In the meantime though, even though Claude had played on some of the demos, drumming on the album was left up to me, Josh Freese, and Sim Cain. “Transdermal Celebration” had been recorded 3 times by this point, with a drum machine, with Claude playing drums, and the final take on the album which features Josh Freese. It was the eventual single from the album. So, we’re in the middle of this session and I get a phone call from my roadie (nameless) who also worked for a backline company (nameless) that supplied amps, drums, lights, etc. to bands touring in the Northeast. My roadie told me that Carlos Santana’s equipment (including his guitars) had arrived via a trucking company that night at their depot. Carlos was recording an appearance on “Good Morning America” the next morning and his equipment was to be delivered to the set in NYC in a few hours.

What needed to be done was immediately clear to me, I had an opportunity to play the solo on “Transdermal Celebration” through Carlos Santana’s amplifier and guitar. I had one shot at it, it meant taking a hard disk recorder to a storage space where all of Carlos’ stuff was sitting in transit. I arrived at 2am. We (very carefully) unpacked his equipment and set up his stage gear and in one take I recorded the guitar solo for “Transdermal Celebration” (the one that appears on the album, playing thru Carlos Santana’s guitar, pedalboard, and amplifier. The whole thing took 10 minutes and we were terrified we were going to get caught. A lot of people would have lost their jobs. We got the fuck outta there really fast after that. So the solo on “Transdermal Celebration” was played thru all of Santana’s shit in what resembled an early morning bank heist or something……….

Of course a story like this requires visual proof, so here it is. Don’t tell anyone about these please.

-Dean Ween 6/14

an afterthought: regarding the Carlos post, i'd like to add that we handled his equipment as if it were the Mona Lisa. We photographed the way his roadie had his cables wrapped and positioned and put everything back exactly as it was found. The whole process was over as quickly as it happened. Also, the respect that I have for Carlos and the depth, spirituality and stamina of his playing is held by me in the highest regard. I am not just a fan of Carlos, I am a believer and follower of everything he has done, and yes that includes the pop singles. I felt it was important to have this be known, there is no one I hold in a higher regard. Also, I have a lifetime of experience of handling equipment, as did the other person involved, it wasn't two drunk buffoons manhandling a legend's gear, the furthest thing from it. I think it's important to clarify that. -DW




Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:16 (6 months ago) Permalink

haha that's incredible.

piscesx, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:23 (6 months ago) Permalink

Classic.

how's life, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 19:43 (6 months ago) Permalink

Amazing. I'm calling the cops

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 21:02 (6 months ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

new freeman album is vintage

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 17:52 (5 months ago) Permalink

It's definitely at least rather good, possibly moreso.

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 17:54 (5 months ago) Permalink

yeah I guess I better order a copy

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 17:59 (5 months ago) Permalink

didnt know he had a new album out.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 22:10 (5 months ago) Permalink

"one more" is genius. wonder if gene's picked up some serious chops?

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 17 July 2014 14:24 (5 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I think a lot of these songs would be better with Dean on them and I'm kind of surprised how very tame this is (given some of his comments), but there's definitely a high level of craftsmanship here, I think this'll hold up well

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Thursday, 21 August 2014 18:43 (4 months ago) Permalink


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