d'angelo - voodoo - classic or dud?

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cant believe this hasnt been posed to ILM before. i say classic, despite its obvious flaws.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 13:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Heard it the other day for the first time and enjoyed it, but what are the 'obvious flaws'?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 13:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

I just heard it for the first time lately too and I don't find it as super sexy as they say. This kind of singing (listening to "Playa Playa" at the moment) feels really foreign to me now. Not that I don't think it's very well-done and probably very good, but it's pretty far removed from anything else I listen to these days.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

i never really thought of it as being super sexy. people just say that about most soul or R&B.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

i love this album but i hardly ever make it all the way through. this makes me sad because of that bit in the sleevenotes where the guy from the roots talks about how much you'll love the album after you have one of those evenings when you stay up all night with someone and have this cd on repeat. i haven't done that yet. obviously classic though!

pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Total classic.
Favourite tracks:
Devil's Pie
Send It On
Feel Like Making Love
Playa Playa

wtin, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm starting to be really annoyed with most uses of falsetto, actually. So those songs with falsetto I find a bit annoying. (Can't get my head around falsetto as sexiness signifier. Well, sort of I can, but I don't feel it that way.)

(Then again I don't really look to music for sexiness. I only bring up all this sexiness stuff because of the way Tracer Hand and some others have talked about this album on other threads.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

This album on the boombox guarantees I will get something done around my house, be it the dishes or cunnilingus.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love how there is so much playing just-behind-the-beat on this.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

The grooves on the album are reeeeeedooooonkulous. It's like cyborg Pro-Tools ultrasoul. The drums are behind, the bass is MORE behind, the vocals are just a touch ahead. No one could actually PLAY like this, but it's so so sexy.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

"what are the 'obvious flaws'?"

maybe not obvious but the songwriting isnt as great as everything else on the record.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

aLso it's too long and feels impossible to get a handle on (maybe a compliment).

I could never get hugely into this record though everytime i read something by Tracer saying how magnificent it is i go back to it and WANT to love it but it never works.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

(Tracer is never going to want to make out with us!)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

pffffffffft, CLASSIC, bovs.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

"I could never get hugely into this record though everytime i read something by Tracer saying how magnificent it is i go back to it and WANT to love it but it never works."

right. in a way, voodoo is a little over laboured and thus hard to penetrate. difficult listening isnt always as great as it sounds in concept.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

I fondly remember this as law-school make-out music, which I'm sure is exactly what D'Angelo intended.

subgenius (subgenius), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

I fondly remember this as law-school make-out music, which I'm sure is exactly what D'Angelo intended.
Maybe at the University of Chicago's D'Angelo Law Library.

I'd definitely say Classic.

William Selman (William Selman), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

Is there any other album so dark and so sexy at the same time?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yes, and they're all by Sade.

The S.E.X question

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's pretty classic, something I come back to fairly often. I'd say its main "obvious flaw" is that the production buries a lot of sonic details underneath the ridiculously loud bass and drums. Horns, vocals, guitars, keys - they are all mixed *super* low, as if they're playing in another room sometimes. Which gives it kind of a "There's a Riot Goin On" muddiness, but I don't think it always works in the albums favor. Or maybe its just my vinyl copy that sounds like this...

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

does anyone here not think of this as sexy?

i prefer having sex to rock music or jazz like in a silent way than R&B.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think the thing is with the mix is that it requires the listener to turn it up more, or else all those little details will slip by. It's a tricksy album that likes to be played very loud.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

I actually think Brown Sugar stands up better. "Devil's Pie" and "Chicken Grease" are classic, though...

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

how in thee hell is this difficult music?!?

totally disagree with shakey about the buried tracks/muddiness. that's exactly what I like about the album, and the fact that most modern rnb is brightshinyclean turns me off of it.
nick, you should know that the trick to getting those details to surface is to inhale drugas.

()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

i don't think it's difficult at all, i just don't like it as much as i want to.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

well, i don't like it as much as i used to. or as much as i thought i did. there are parts of it that are just awesome, and they skew my perception of the whole thing. so when i go back and listen to it again, i'm left underwhelmed: "that's all there is? i remember it being so much more..."

()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

I always listen to this at night and fall asleep before it gets to my favorite songs, which are all on the 2nd half.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

You need to be driving 1+ hrs with some good friends who are all really into it, with the windows rolled down. Of course this works for just about any album. I'm surprised no one's mentioned my favorites, "Spanish Joint" and "Left and Right". Just the intros to each of those songs makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

I think in that other thread I talked about this as non-climax sex music, which still sounds about right to me.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

I just finished listening to it again. It always seems too short to me.

I won $5 on a bet with my roomy not too long ago on the fact that, yes Kevin, Charlie Hunter does play on this album. A lot.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

"spanish joint" is one of my favs, too. i remember seeing some brief documentary (on BET, i think) around the time when this came out. "behind the scenes" type thing. they played "spanish joint" for eric clapton, and he was blown away. it's always cool to see musicians, esp those you wouldn't think were even aware of one another, expressing awe for another musician's work.

()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

I've often wondered: is the D'Angelo playing on that Sanborne/Clapton New Year's Show Bootleg THE diamond D? The one singing on "Use Me"?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

This album on the boombox guarantees I will get something done around my house, be it the dishes or cunnilingus.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, March 1, 2005 2:20 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

caek, Monday, 26 January 2009 13:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

^^^thats a pretty good recommendation

i like voodoo but i get a sense it was dangelo really trying to make an album he thought he 'should' make, and be the type of artist he was trying to be, rather than just be him...

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 26 January 2009 14:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

this album has a crazy detailed wikipedia page btw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_(album)

Plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 09:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

this thread is a bit sad

pretty much my favourite album of all time, the slow release hooks and choruses are masterful. So many fantastic tunes

merked, Sunday, 29 May 2011 23:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

Just listening to this today for the first time in years while cleaning the house. Great album.

Professor Respect, Monday, 30 May 2011 02:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

i like voodoo but i get a sense it was dangelo really trying to make an album he thought he 'should' make, and be the type of artist he was trying to be, rather than just be him...

― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, January 26, 2009 2:03 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha such a titchy post

lebroner (D-40), Monday, 30 May 2011 02:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

maybe the single best album i've listened to due to ILM enthusiasm. heard it for the first time only a couple years back (smdh).

contenderizer, Monday, 30 May 2011 02:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

2nd best album ever.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 30 May 2011 02:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

dunno, maybe best album ever

WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Monday, 30 May 2011 03:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

These 'slow release hooks' must be really subtle because this album still washes over me. Must try harder (I loved Brown Sugar fwiw).

sam500, Monday, 30 May 2011 03:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

Geez, maybe I need to revisit. Bought it used three or four years back a looong time after I'd first considered purchasing it, and it just didn't connect for me. It might have something to do with D'Angelo's tic of singing every line a little more than hair behind the beat, a neat idea in theory which ends up ratcheting everything up another order of difficulty (it's forbidding enough to begin with with). Chances are that I just don't get it, but something Dave Marsh said in an interview a few years back stuck with me - he suggested that "Voodoo" was basically a failed attempt to capture the vibe of "There's A Riot Goin' On." Generally I don't trust Marsh on music after the 1980's, but I'm a giant "Riot" fan and "Voodoo" still kinda leaves me cold.

thewufs, Monday, 30 May 2011 05:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

It took a long time to connect with me and Marsh is wrong.

The Reverend, Monday, 30 May 2011 05:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

i mostly see it as a successful attempt to capture the vibe of a d'angelo album

contenderizer, Monday, 30 May 2011 05:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ha, well I'll check it out again, then. Does he do that behind-the-beat thing on "Brown Sugar" too?

thewufs, Monday, 30 May 2011 06:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

its a 'vibe' album largely, not a song one (though yes, it does have a few great songs on it).

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 30 May 2011 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

its not really trying to recreate the riot atmosphere exactly, but it is something similar, that same sort of very slurred, hazy, drunken kind of vocals and ambience, though the clarity of the sonics are far too good to = riot. the main prob with voodoo is that cos it took so long to make and nothing has come after it you can throw a million things at it (fair and unfair) and it has to stack up to all of them, rather than simply be an evolutionary, feeling-my-way-around-for-something-new album which is what it seemed to be.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 30 May 2011 15:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

this album is so much more about sex than 'riot'

lebroner (D-40), Monday, 30 May 2011 16:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

True true

thewufs, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Quit thinking about it so much and just vibe out to it.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

There's A Sex Going On

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 15:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

when all the tiny d'angelos suddenly snap out of their unconnected mumblings and sing "i won't steer you wrong!" it still gives me shivers right down my spine.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 15:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

his label should just do what labels used to do and release outtakes and leftovers from these sessions in place of anything new from him. id like to see what else they came up with, stuff that wasnt in the same mood as what made it on the album. have heard a few outtakes over the years but there must be more - apparently there was a title track that went on for about 20 mins. admittedly this might be better on paper than to listen to but id still like to hear it.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

ohhhhh shiiiiiiit

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad he's actually working but... kinda weak tbh. he can't really do that James Brown showman stuff with any dexterity.

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

he hasn't played a show in over a decade? too bad you can't have a low-profile warm up show these days.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was expecting something more low-key tbh! not this sort of classic soul revue schtick

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

well that's what he did (prince/jb worship) for the whole voodoo tour:

i did wonder if he'd go back to it tbh, or do a brown sugar-era sitting-at-the-rhodes thing.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love how the guitarists in these kinds of bands are always like statues

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

fwiw jesse johnson (of The Time) was supposed to play guitar on this tour, but i guess he had something else to do. so they got the dude with the most similar name, jef lee johnson.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

yeah I thought Jesse left the Time tour to do this...?

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm just going off this: http://www.okayplayer.com/news/dangelo-2012-tour-diary-pt-1-he-got-on-the-plane.html (lol first time i've looked at okayplayer in years).

Then there’s the newbies; Chris Dave – Rick Rubin’s favorite drummer (sacrilegious I know); Ray Angry – our boy from The Roots who’s subbing for Cleo Pookie Sample (gotta love a n**ga named Pookie). Jesse Johnson; who’s a beast but had another commitment so we have Jeff Lee Johnson–killing it.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad he's actually working but... kinda weak tbh. he can't really do that James Brown showman stuff with any dexterity.

you're crazy, this is fucking great

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 January 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

aw man

J0rdan S., Monday, 30 January 2012 06:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

here's good audio of "sugar daddy"

J0rdan S., Monday, 30 January 2012 06:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

I will pay top dollar to see this man.

Good to see Pino is still on bass.

Poon Aggroved (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 30 January 2012 06:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh shit

lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Monday, 30 January 2012 06:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm

bear, bear, bear, Monday, 30 January 2012 07:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

piano medley:

and uh bowie:

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Monday, 30 January 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

is that new live stuff or old?

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

think its all old

just sayin, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

holy shit he's looking good, looking happy

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

this one is killing me!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seeing him Friday night...looking forward to it but methinks he's been studying Prince a little too hard...

The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

guys, you're getting me excited here.

Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

methinks he's been studying Prince a little too hard

nothing new there!

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

please to be posting in this thread if anyone hears about D playing NYC; he is a big bucket list musician for me to see live.

Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seeing him Friday night...looking forward to it but methinks he's been studying Prince a little too hard...

― The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:17 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

me too! i am so excited it is absurd. i think 'one mo gin' is my favourite song ever made, so if he doesn't play it i'll be disappointed

Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

hype hype

the emancipation of me-me (tpp), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, ilx london fap at d'angelo -- i'm jealous

J0rdan S., Friday, 3 February 2012 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

if u see a 7 foot goonish looking german guy with diamond earrings by all means say hi

the emancipation of me-me (tpp), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

money boy in the building

J0rdan S., Friday, 3 February 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

i didn't see this thread til now, i am totally going tonight - feel free to holla at me, anyone else who's going

been immersing myself in voodoo & brown sugar today :)

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

so rum is what you're saying?

Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was last night :(

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha forks

pfunkbo bryson (some dude), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

half my twitter timeline reads "d'angelo"

i am so hyped! i have 45 minutes in which to coax my body into moving now

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

really really wish i was in britain right now and i NEVER say that

Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

hah

lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Friday, 3 February 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

the piano section was.............!!!!!

lmao still @ his outfit

lex we need to meet at one of these shows sooner or later!

the emancipation of me-me (tpp), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

so utterly jealous of you guys

J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

OTM

dr dre throwing dubstep balloons (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

fucking fucking FUCK

Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 February 2012 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

to make matters worse i actually was in brixton last night and still didn't go :(

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 4 February 2012 09:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

so utterly jealous of you guys

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:20 (6 hours ago) Bookmark

sad otm :(

I'm not going leftfield on you... (hypehat), Saturday, 4 February 2012 09:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

the piano section was.............!!!!!

so lol. he's such a tease, all those false endings. how you gonna do the entire brown sugar album as a medley though!

lmao still @ his outfit

a swiftly divested jacket, a vest so oversized that it looked like a dress, and so low cut (well beneath the pecs) that he might as well not have bothered. girl next to me kept talking to herself between every song, "please let him take off his clothes please let him take off his clothes".

lex we need to meet at one of these shows sooner or later!

yes! god, getting there was such a trial for me though, nearly went to the O2 instead because i...hadn't bothered reading anything properly beforehand. then when i got to the venue just before his stage time was sent on a wild goose chase to like 3 different places to pick up press tkts. it was all good though cuz he came on half an hour late anyway (and played well beyond the 11pm curfew, haw - only other artist i've seen do that is erykah, naturally).

um anyway amazing show! that version of "shit, damn, motherfucker" was kind of epic. "devil's pie" another definite highlight. the new song "sugar daddy"!!!!! omg such fun to dance to, you felt your feet making all sorts of moves within four bars. i didn't quite expect him to be so RAW live - his seduction is so smooth on record and then live he's just wild.

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Saturday, 4 February 2012 09:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

to make matters worse i actually was in brixton last night and still didn't go :(

to make matters worse (for you), between us melissa and i had three spare +1s that the stupid PR neglected to inform us about, and i only realised when i was literally picking my tickets up (and was rushing to get inside before he came on). ugh so many people i know would've loved those

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Saturday, 4 February 2012 09:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tpp seven foot goonish type? I said hello and you blanked me! Unless there was a few different giants there. Was near the back. Couldn't see lex but never saw the thread when you posted, so I wasn't looking.

Omg the show was amazing. I went in just thinking I'd be glad if he was looking healthy and hadn't ruined his voice but god damn! He killed it. I've never seen someone have such control over the crowd. And voice was incredible, and sustained all night.

Otm on the shit damn motherfucker. Also he seemed to have been watching a lot of James brown and... Zeppelin maybe? That kind of wall of amplified blues guitar on some of the Voodoo stuff, plus the solo-ing stuff made me think of them anyway.

Great night, hope I don't have to wait twelve years to do it again.

a hoy hoy, Saturday, 4 February 2012 10:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

He seemed to be really enjoying himself which made it even better, knowing the troubles from the Voodoo tour.

a hoy hoy, Saturday, 4 February 2012 10:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah he was totally full of life and seemed to be having a ball

some incredibly funky guitar riffs too - that live version of "brown sugar", the crowd had slightly thinned at that point (lucky i'd stuck around, i didn't think he was gonna come out again) so there was lots of room to dance

i was front right, good vantage point even if i did have to put up with some bad behaviour as detailed in show etiquette

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Saturday, 4 February 2012 10:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah had a pretty good time...Jesse Johnson was a pretty inspired choice as guitarist...he was great...some of the new material was great but I did feel like he was trying to mimic a Prince gig from '83 he's not quite in that league...got the feeling that great swarthes of the crowd weren't up for a 10 min drum solo and P-funk guitar theatrics when they paid to see some 90's neo soul loverman soul...and Brown Sugar don't work as a James Brown funk workout...The Parliament cover and solo piano section (very very Prince) was good though...

The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Saturday, 4 February 2012 10:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the people I went with weren't really down for the massive solos while I was lapping it up.

I was stood by a short dude w/ a fro, who I think was pilled off his face so you weren't the only one dealing w/ show etiquette bullshit lex. Amusingly he went for a piss and came back, losing his girlfriend and standing 10 feet from her/us, spending the rest of the show confused as to where she was despite being plainly right next to him.

a hoy hoy, Saturday, 4 February 2012 12:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hold on

http://www.pitchfork.com/news/45337-listen-james-blake-remixes-dangelo/

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Mr. Blake on some sort of 'oh I'm so pure about my songs I would NEVER let them be remixed' trip? I guess he figures the other way around is all right by him...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 February 2012 19:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait what Parliament song did he do

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

ned i think he was trying to make a different point about artists doing remixes (and/or labels commissioning remixes) in a cynical way, i.e. just for marketing and $ reasons.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

which i can totally see, since after he blew up i'm sure he was getting tons and tons of emails from people wanting to do or get a remix just to get in on the hype. but he's been doing these unofficial remixes for a long time.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw i can't wait for a 10 min chris dave solo

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am gonna cop to liking this

ELI OWNS YOUR HUSBAND (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

ned i think he was trying to make a different point about artists doing remixes (and/or labels commissioning remixes) in a cynical way, i.e. just for marketing and $ reasons.

...yeah, call me not sold on that. (IE, I take the larger point, I just don't necessarily trust him to be the one saying it.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 February 2012 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

not to derail the d thread, but i'm curious why you say that?

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

is someone gonna answer my question

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

OH SHIT

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

shakey mo otm

a hoy hoy, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah that was def a highlight. damn

art dealin' thru the west coast (tpp), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

very well chosen, probably the most D'Angelo-esque song in Parliament's catalog

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

How many songs will be on the album then?

All together, there’s over 50 songs that he’s cut since we started. I think he wants to put 12 songs on the album.

What’s your favorite song on the project at the moment?

I don’t think he’s done it live yet, but there’s an untitled song right now that I think is going to be like another “Untitled (How Does It Feel)” for this album. It’s going to be a monster song.

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

on the other hand, fuuuuuuuck

Does the new album have a release date yet?

He actually really wanted to finish a couple a years ago but he’s written a few new songs since that time, so now we have four new songs and we’ve been working on those for the past six months or so. He wants to finish it as soon as possible, but once he gets into the studio he gets into his own zone and he’s on D’Angelo time and nothing else really matters.

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Actually, the Beatles is one of our blueprints, I think, for this album. This one is definitely gonna be soul, funk, rock — if there’s such a thing. It’s all mixed in there together — there’s a big fusion element in each song.

d'angelo doing the beatles, i'm crying y'all

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

as long as this album is in the Detox/Chinese Democracy phase of "only supporting musicians and producers give interviews about it, say lots and lots of exciting but vague things" i'm not really expecting anything

CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha, i like that at the end of the interview they're all like "hey btw check out the video that sent d'angelo's life spinning out of control"

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think people are a little dramatic about that, most artists' biggest successes probably fucked with their head a little bit but it's not like you're personally goading them by continuing to enjoy that work

CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i can't blame anybody but D quite frankly; Erykah looked for a little while like she might jump the tracks but she was strong enough to get it together and it didn't look like D was
really hope he's got it back in order, will buy this album, will see him play anywhere anytime. still a little wary.

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

New Amerykah Part One and BLACKsummers'night are really the precedents i'll be folding my arms waiting to see if this can live up to, more than Voodoo

some dude, Friday, 17 February 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not super excited by the idea of more rock & pop influences, although that's clearly been a part of the shows ('charade', the bowie cover, the guitar stuff, etc.). still totally confident that it's going to be a dope record. at the very least, it'll be interesting - the dude does not half-ass anything, and there's something really engaging about knowing that every note has been considered and obsessed over.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

wahtever happened to maxwell? wasn't he all 'oh yeah ive recorded 3 albums to release in 3 years here is the first'?

a hoy hoy, Friday, 17 February 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah that is VERY frustrating to me, i loved that album and i'm like c'mon where's the rest

some dude, Friday, 17 February 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know, right. clearly he did not have another two records in the can.

maybe he's just waiting for chris dave to be done touring with d'angelo, erykah, and everybody else?

40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah, he's just got his cash in order and is probably working through his good times. man, to be maxwell and single...

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 February 2012 22:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

wahtever happened to maxwell? wasn't he all 'oh yeah ive recorded 3 albums to release in 3 years here is the first'?

― a hoy hoy, Friday, February 17, 2012 4:26 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that is VERY frustrating to me, i loved that album and i'm like c'mon where's the rest

― some dude, Friday, February 17, 2012 4:27 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

THIS. I'm still going back to BLACKsummersnight regularly. 'Bad Habits' and 'Pretty Wings' are impeccable.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 17 February 2012 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Looking forward to a new D'angelo album but listened to Voodoo again recently and well don't think it's very good to be honest...not terrible but not great...

The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Saturday, 18 February 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

so we don't have suggest ban anymore, huh?

40oz of tears (Jordan), Saturday, 18 February 2012 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

d'angelo doing the beatles, i'm crying y'all

me too :((((((

lex pretend, Saturday, 18 February 2012 11:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

luckily i assume it's just a bs comparison that doesn't mean anything and won't have anything to do with how it actually sounds

lex pretend, Saturday, 18 February 2012 11:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

to be sure beatles influences do as much harm as good these days but y'know what lex just shut the fucking fuck up

some dude, Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah he's not gonna suddenly turn into oasis ffs.

a hoy hoy, Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

another live show hit the net. this time Stockholm.

Setlist:

Playa Playa
Feel Like Makin’ Love [Roberta Flack Cover]
Ain’t That Easy
Devil’s Pie
Chicken Grease
The Line (Intro) > The Roots
The Charade
I’ve Been Watching You (Move Your Sexy Body) [Parliament Cover]
Shit, Damn, Motherfucker
Keys Solo
Tribute > Moment of Silence
D’Angelo Solo Medley
Another Life
Sugah Daddy
Space Oddity [David Bowie Cover]
Brown Sugar

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

link?

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 03:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

every time a news item about D'Angelo is accompanied by a picture of young sex symbol D'Angelo, i picture ?uestlove shouting "no, you're going to make him go back into hiding!"

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah... he should take some new press photos

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i wonder if any photos from him in the past 10 years exist that aren't that aren't that mugshot or concert pics shot from the audience

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

there was one i think i posted in here a while ago that he posed for backstage at some show last year but def not anything 'professional'

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's gotten pretty buff again

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

that guitar has a pretty irregular border, he should have a dermatologist check it out

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

couple of pictures from brixton


liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Peace (peaceful) (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Black stardom is rough, dude," Chris Rock tells me when I reach him to talk about D. "I always say Tom Hanks is an amazing actor and Denzel Washington is a god to his people. If you're a black ballerina, you represent the race, and you have responsibilities that go beyond your art. How dare you just be excellent?"

After Brown Sugar went platinum, Rock put D'Angelo on The Chris Rock Show. Later, when D was mixing Voodoo, Rock hung out some in the studio. No surprise, then, that the first thing out of Rock's mouth after "Hello" is a joyful "He's back!" But he adds a sobering downbeat: "D'Angelo. Chris Tucker. Dave Chappelle. Lauryn Hill. They all hang out on the same island. The island of What Do We Do with All This Talent? It frustrates me."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost lol I hope that GIF lives on forever

Count-Dracula-Down (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'd kick it on that island

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

altho i think chris tucker moved to the island of Wait, I Owe How Much In Back Taxes?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's housesitting for Wesley while he's away

some cute (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

d plays the guitar

http://www.gq.com/video/videos/dangelo-video

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

SHOW ME THE ALBUM

phooey and nuts and phooey (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

d's only 5'7"? now i love him even more.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's playing my fav funkadelic song

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha wow that is an awesome random song for him to bust out

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Could listen to him noodling around and singing allllllllll day.

Sonic adobes of stultifying hipsterdom (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

that whole GQ story is quite excellent. highly recommended.

caulk the wagon and float it, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

For all I know this is all over, but I've never seen this before:

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 27 May 2012 01:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nice.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 27 May 2012 03:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

echoing other comments, the GQ thing is great. he comes across as such a nice dude.

Simon H., Sunday, 27 May 2012 03:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

killing me

♆ (gr8080), Thursday, 7 June 2012 19:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Gah, first time in 3 years I've missed Bonnaroo, and it's the one he shows up at:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/dangelo-back-in-the-u-s-a/

There was nothing tentative about D’Angelo’s performance. He took his place at keyboards and floated his voice into the opening of Hendrix’s “Have You Ever Been (to Electric Ladyland),” pitched right where his tenor glides into falsetto. He had the yowl for Sly and the Family Stone’s “Babies Makin’ Babies,” the shout for the Beatles’ “She Came in Through the Bathroom Window” and a blues-rock wail for Led Zeppelin’s “What Is and What Should Never Be”; his phrasing was spontaneous and sure. And when he was not singing, he was fully engaged in the instrumental jams.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 10 June 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

this guy

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 10 June 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

his piano playing is so casually funky

they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Sunday, 10 June 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

what's up with all the covers

retro-shittified (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 June 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

it was an unannounced appearance at an 'after-party' type tent performance after The Roots' main festival set, D is probably waiting for a proper headlining show to do his own songs

shipl.de.al (some dude), Monday, 11 June 2012 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah that makes sense

retro-shittified (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 June 2012 19:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

fuck i wanna see this guy so bad

“Argh!” I cry. But I really don’t care. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 02:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was there, about 20 feet away from the man... it was utterly life-affirming. So much joy and effortless singing and playing. The highlight of the festival for me.

Davey D, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 07:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean... effortlessly brilliant singing and playing...

Davey D, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 07:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

wait D is performing at the BET awards tonight

J0rdan S., Sunday, 1 July 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

thank you, tivoing now

i will be missing the jones beach show with melanie fiona and mary j with the solid hope that an nyc date is looming

Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 1 July 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

what song is he going to do!!!!

♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 1 July 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeeeaaaah

lol @ "25 1/2 y'all"

40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 2 July 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

mad he didn't do untitled for longer but fuck that ruled

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 2 July 2012 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm glad that he did untitled at all!

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 July 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

quality soundboard recording from jazz fest set in the netherlands last week:

http://soundcloud.com/okayplayer/live-the-north-sea-jazz-fest-8

the whole thing is good, but really feeling the 2nd half (starting around 32:00)

♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 23:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Liberation tour: Mary J. Blige and D'Angelo
Sun, 08/26/12
Washington, DC
Verizon Center

curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tour dates for the D'Angelo/Mary J. Blige Liberation Tour are below (more expected to be announced):

Aug. 18 -- Virgina Beach, Va., Farm Bureau Live
Aug. 19 -- Wantagh, N.Y., Nikon Theatre at Jones Beach
Aug. 21 -- Boston, Bank of America Pavilion
Aug. 23 -- Holmdel, N.J., PNC Bank Arts Center
Aug. 26 -- Washington D.C., Verizon Center
Aug. 29 – Miami, AmericanAirlines Arena

20 shows total are planned

curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, pre-sale on now. $104 a ticket for far end of arena lower down; $80 something for nosebleed seats; best seats -- a lot

curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

aw that concert recording got taken down :(

♆ (gr8080), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

:(

chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

mary/d shows are outta my reach; guess i'm waiting for nyc show

This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

hmmm missed his show tonight...

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 01:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

Gonna try to catch them here. MJB is always good, and D'Angelo was great years ago.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 August 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

If you were going to trim this album down to approx 60 minutes in length, which tracks would you leave off?

I think I'd be tempted to get rid of:
3. "Left & Right" (feat. Method Man & Redman) 4:46
5. "Send It On" 5:57
11. "Greatdayindamornin' / Booty" 7:35

Leaving:
1. "Playa Playa" 7:07
2. "Devil's Pie" 5:21
4. "The Line" 5:15
6. "Chicken Grease"4:36
7. "One Mo'Gin" 6:15
8. "The Root" 6:33
9. "Spanish Joint" 5:44
10. "Feel Like Makin' Love" 6:22
12. "Untitled (How Does It Feel)" 7:10
13. "Africa" 6:13

Want to play this at our record club tomorrow, but we have a 60-minute time limit.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

would switch out devil's pie and send it on with those restrictions.
and possibly untitled withgreatdayindamornin depending on what day you found me

What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Can't endorse the cutting of send it on

Binder, Binder & (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, don't leave out "Untitled." That's dumb.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

i would cut zero seconds of this album least of all "send it on," jesus christ

anyway the re-issue of this is so great, the new liners were a great read

J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 15:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

who wrote em?

thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just take off your shirt and flex at anyone that tries to pull the album after an hour

Binder, Binder & (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Gotta leave Untitled in - the rest of the guys wont have heard it before, and I'd need to explain the album's legacy (and hence that video) in my introduction to it.

Left & Right just feels jarring to me now (mainly for Method and Red, though they might be good orienting devices for one guy who's a Wu fan).

No one else at our little club has heard it at all, and I think it'll be a very difficult record to get a handle on for them.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Switch in Send it On for Africa. Untitled works as a great closer.

tsrobodo, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

man, africa is timeless; be real

What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah "Africa" is too great

thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

love ?uestlove's homage to "I Wonder U" on that

thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

nick i think it's nice you're starting a record club at an old-folks home, but really i think the time limit is unnecessary, what else are these people gonna do with their day

fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's been pointed out to me that Send It On's the one with the mournful horns, so that's staying.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

i am frankly not a fan of devil's pie in context of this album

What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

How come?

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

feels awkward and rockish-y to me; always has

What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

who wrote em?

― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, January 7, 2013 10:32 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

jason king... which made it extra funny when people were trying to slander him for that r&b thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

also never a big fan of untitled, historical importance be damned

What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean some of it is of course redundant if you know the history/mythology of the album but there's still some really good technical stuff (a lot about the timing of the drums and the bass) plus some interesting historical connections made

J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

for christ's sake, forks

J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

I Love Africa but if time is a concern it makes sense to x it.

tsrobodo, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

time being a concern is at odds with the very ethos of this album, so it doesn't even make sense to me to discuss it

J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, Voodoo kind of bends time.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 7 January 2013 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't know. The mumbled lyrics in Devil's Pie are all "gotta get up, get outta bed, get some coffee, and go to work. I don't have time to kiss you there."

xpost

Binder, Binder & (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 7 January 2013 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

Read what ?uestlove has to say about working with D'Angelo here. Crazy shit.

http://pitchfork.com/features/5-10-15-20/8474-5-10-15-20-uestlove/

beecheese, Monday, 7 January 2013 19:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

what the fuck could possess a human being to be hating on "devil's pie" and/or "untitled"

one bish two bish red bish blue bish (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 7 January 2013 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

then there's this, which i remember reading years ago but was apparently written before voodoo came out:

http://web.archive.org/web/19991114212019/http://www.okayplayer.com/reviews.htm

at the time ?uest says that meth & red's verses had been taken off in favor of q-tip's original one, that lauryn was still going to be on "feel like makin' love" (also says that dilla was producing it, but it sounds like the regular band to me), and mentions a bunch of interludes that didn't make the cut.

have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Monday, 7 January 2013 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

not hating on either one; calling them the weakest tracks on a top ten all time album and thematically a little off

What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

I made people turn up early, and played the whole thing. (I was gonna skip Greatdayindamornin but that was when the takeaway arrived, so it soundtracked the unpacking and eating of Lebanese food.)

http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/dangelo-voodoo-round-44-nicks-choice/

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 January 2013 09:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

questo sez

"If this record is not turned in by February, then something is extremely wrong. Because we worked to the bone in the entire month of January just to tighten up all the loose ends."

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 27 January 2013 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

kept his dealers away?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Total dud.

Tuneless, meandering jams that I'm sure were a blast to witness in person. Tedious in all other instances.

I drank the Kool Aid with this album. But fuck that. Just sold my original vinyl copy (played maybe thrice) for $50 the other day (dude was in the record store and was like, "Name your price!" when he saw it — in retrospect, I should've aimed higher).

Love how Maxwell has released not one, but two, albums that are better in every aspect since Voodoo came out.

(yes, I went there)

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 02:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

smh

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow, Austin went there

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

kept his dealers away?

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:22 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

d'angelo's problem isn't drugs

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

smh

I know. I should've gone for at least 75.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, not his only problem.

bummed i missed out on the voodoo vinyl reissue. ;_;

keef qua keef (Jordan), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe not right now. but he has been in rehab twice for coke, booze, etc. xp

some dude, Monday, 28 January 2013 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought his problems were drugs related to his problems with the perfectly cut image he'd created....?

xxpost

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean the image thing i'm sure fucked with his head but i'm sure it's not like a Walk Hard "oh i hate how people want to see my six pack! ::picks up bottle::" scenario

i go through periods of being very "fuck this dude" like Austin tbh

some dude, Monday, 28 January 2013 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

i go through periods of being very "fuck this dude" like Austin tbh

Well, to be democratic about this, it's not entirely his fault that I never have liked him.

But it is his fault that he can't write a song to save his life.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 02:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought his problems were drugs related to his problems with the perfectly cut image he'd created....?

xxpost

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:32 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think his problems now are all creative

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

weren't you the same guy who hated that Mystikal record? your crazy opinions are inspiring

(except i too think Maxwell, especially BLACKsummer'snight, is waaaaaaaaaay overlooked, so uh you got me there)

xp

berner herzog (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean the image thing i'm sure fucked with his head but i'm sure it's not like a Walk Hard "oh i hate how people want to see my six pack! ::picks up bottle::" scenario

I'm just quoting the PR, which like most PR has to find a psychological origin for indulgences.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

(except i too think Maxwell, especially BLACKsummer'snight, is waaaaaaaaaay overlooked, so uh you got me there)

xp

― berner herzog (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:46 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not overlooked on ILM. There is much love for Maxwell here.

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

Heard the reason behind that Blige tour was to test the water in a safe way, since she is post rehab, too, and keeps things clean.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 January 2013 02:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think his problems now are all creative

not from what i've heard from people who have been on tour with him, but whatever. none of us really know what's going on, i just hope he puts his record out and doesn't self-destruct doing it.

keef qua keef (Jordan), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

either/or love for artists confuses the hell out of me. who's forcing that dichotomy?

an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think his problem more than anything is the pressure to live up to the genius of Voodoo.

The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2013 02:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

he can't write a song to save his life.

― Austin, Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:40 PM Bookmark

This is the single wrongest thing ever written on ILM, even the Hongro oeuvre.

The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2013 02:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Agree xp

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pick any Maxwell song from Now or BLACKsummersnight and it's a more well-written overall song than anything D'Angelo has ever done.

And then, Maxwell has two other albums.

I'm just trying to level the playing field by saying: look what this guy has done and what D'Angelo hasn't.

And my crazy opinions can only be blamed on not listening to the radio enough.

(joking)

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

your false dichotomy game is outrageous

The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that - joking - refers to everything you've written in this thread.

xp

tsrobodo, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^D'Angelo fanboys.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Slash apologists.

Max has done two near masterpieces/near sold out world tours and your boy has done a few shows that got lukewarm reception, if that.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

For posterity, here's actual new Max material:

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

at least you're doing some service to this thread now

The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^The Rev just got converted, ya'll!!!

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

bummed i missed out on the voodoo vinyl reissue. ;_;

did you?

http://lightintheattic.net/releases/809-voodoo

Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2013 04:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^The Rev just got converted, ya'll!!!

― Austin, Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:42 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol. Maxwell is very beloved on here.

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 04:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

Slash apologists.

?

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 04:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes he went there

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 28 January 2013 04:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is the only time Maxwell can ever be held up as a productive and prolific artist who tours and releases albums alllll the time

some dude, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha so otm

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 04:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yes, in comparison to D'Angelo, even a slacking, tour twice a decade, release albums as sporadically while promising so much more, infuriating-yet-ultimately-rewarding musical personality like Maxwell is obviously better.

Though I'd argue that, even if D'Angeo had hypothetically released three or four albums over the last decade, Maxwell would still have the better catalogue.

Which he does in reality as well.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well no, not a fanboy. But the ridiculous hyperbole doesn't help. Only a fool would suggest what it is you're saying with a straight face.

Africa is my descent
And here I am far from home
I dwell within a land that's meant
For many men not my tone

The blood of god is my defense
Let it drop down to my seed
Showers to your innocence
To protect you for all eternity
And with this wood I beat this drum
And we won't see defeat

From kings to queens becomes a prince
Knowledge wisdom is
Understanding what we need

Ever since the day you came
My whole world began to change
I knew then to dedicate my life
For your own
Everyday I see you grow
And remember what you already know
I receive the love
That radiates from your glow

From which you came was love
And that's how it all should be
You and my soul are I
Though all the time and history

tsrobodo, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

D'angelo vs Maxwell might be a tough poll tbf.

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

austin we looooove maxwell here and maybe if you looked at threads about him you'd know that instead of playing some bullshit "play the 'neo-soul' guys against each other" bullshit

trench marianas (some dude), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

go revive a badu thread to talk about jill scott

trench marianas (some dude), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

wish i could live in a world where it was possible to love both maxwell and d'angelo

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

me too, sad days

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha i said bullshit twice

trench marianas (some dude), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

worthy

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, I get that critics really tried to turn that into a thing in the late 90's and Maxwell got shorter shrift out of the whole deal but it was unwarranted then and now the idea of fixating on it just seems ridiculous.

tsrobodo, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

How obvious.

But I mean, people STILL fawn and romanticize over D'Angelo while there's someone who has been, in context, quite active in his absence. And better in every aspect.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess I just got converted like I haven't been a fan of Maxwell since "Ascension". Amazing evangelism on your part, Austin, and I thank you.

The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

And, to be fair, I dislike Erykah and Jill for the same reasons I dislike Max.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

wait, what?

The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

You just hate everyone now

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

But I mean, people STILL fawn and romanticize over D'Angelo while there's someone who has been, in context, quite active in his absence. And better in every aspect.

― Austin, Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Havent got there yet actually, still too busy with my post no-limit romanticizing,

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

has Austin posted about Miguel

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think he wrote this about miguel: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/11/ocean-weekend-miguel-best.php

trench marianas (some dude), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

^was coming here to post that piece, too slow

an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is that really him?

tsrobodo, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

nah jokes

trench marianas (some dude), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

No, not me.

I try to waste my time with people that are clearly only cogs.

And imagine writing for the Village Voice. I'd pretty much have to become the person that I want to punch on the bus every morning before even considering it.

I will, however, take this opportunity to plug my real blog: http://austintayeshus.blogspot.com/

Warning: no posts about D'Angelo v. Maxwell there.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

TRY NOT.

Jeez, as if you guys didn't hate me enough already.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

listening to blacksummersnight for the first time o_o

Butt Trump tweet (Matt P), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Flag post.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

sorry, a little off-topic but at least i didn't post my blog. xp

Butt Trump tweet (Matt P), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

listening to blacksummersnight for the first time o_o

That bad, huh?

Why don't you, Matt?

(and to be fair, at least no one accused you of writing for the Village Voice)

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm just glad that i have so much more maxwell in my future. and d'angelo.

xp fuck off retard

Butt Trump tweet (Matt P), Monday, 28 January 2013 05:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ooops, you actually *do* write for the Village Voice?

(my initial invitation to post your link was genuine)

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

troll

The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp
Ahh. Seemed too convenient.

xp
Some fawn over Maxwell others fixate on D'angelo. Stop acting as if there's a stock narrative to this.

These are two fiercely talented, multifaceted artists and your boneheaded blanket declarations of Maxwell's superiority does neither any justice.

tsrobodo, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Troll?

Me?

Hardly.

Just a kid who bought Voodoo when it was being touted as the next big thing and felt duped.

I will argue that D'Angelo is not talented, nor "multifacted."

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Besides, if I was trolling, don't you think I'd be the one accusing other forum members of authoring unfavorable blog posts?

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

stop

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 28 January 2013 06:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

I will argue that D'Angelo is not talented, nor "multifacted."

And I will laugh at you.

The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm done.

tsrobodo, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

your blog posts and postings in this thread make me wanna give you a big hug and introduce you to tessa netting

an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 January 2013 06:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh dear, how outcast am I?

Woe is me.

What shall I do?

Oh right: listen to Maxwell's wonderful music. And think about how I saw him in concert.

I laugh when D'Angelo releases nothing in 2013.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

pwn

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 28 January 2013 06:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've seen Maxwell in concert too bubba, funnily enough it didn't make me hate D'Angelo.

The Reverend, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

That is funny because I don't hate D'Angelo.

I just see his ever so obvious flaws.

And that's without having seen him attempting to play a guitar in person.

(hiyoooo!)

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

But honestly, look at the songs writes: they're aimless and non-directional. Really not good.

xpost: still too busy with my post no-limit romanticizing
― queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Sunday, January 27, 2013

I missed that. Glad to know someone's keeping tabs on me here.

Austin, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

And that's without having seen him attempting to play a guitar in person.

measuring guitar playing ability, if not entirely objective, is at least a bit quantifiable. he plays the fucking guitar.

Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2013 06:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hey I brought brews for everybody, lets all chill and watch a Prince concert film from 1993

Raymond Cummings, Monday, 28 January 2013 11:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

did you?

http://lightintheattic.net/releases/809-voodoo

― Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

THANK YOU

keef qua keef (Jordan), Monday, 28 January 2013 13:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

http://www.brooklynbowl.com/event/234209
AAAAUUUUUGHGGH just found out about this, not sure when it was announced but holy fuck i am making so many calls

forks is lucky he didn't get stabbed over a marilyn monroe cd (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 March 2013 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

whoa

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Friday, 1 March 2013 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

i got a ticket, i hope it's not just a bunch of covers

J0rdan S., Friday, 1 March 2013 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

it'll be a bunch of covers, but not "just". hopefully.

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Friday, 1 March 2013 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

fucking hell, how'd you hear about it jordan? was this a twitter thing?

forks is lucky he didn't get stabbed over a marilyn monroe cd (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 March 2013 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

?uestlove tweeted a couple days ago that something big was happening at BB and tickets were going to go super fast.

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Friday, 1 March 2013 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

over/under on "untitled" going longer than 90 seconds

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Saturday, 2 March 2013 02:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

fucking hell, how'd you hear about it jordan? was this a twitter thing?

― forks is lucky he didn't get stabbed over a marilyn monroe cd (forksclovetofu), Friday, March 1, 2013 2:16 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah i saw someone in my timeline RT something about it so i rushed to get ticks

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 March 2013 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

found a connect who could sell me a single; i'm doing cartwheels
i've literally been waiting fifteen years to see this guy live.
sarg u wanna meet up?

forks is lucky he didn't get stabbed over a marilyn monroe cd (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 03:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

i can't believe you just called sarge "sarg"

some dude, Saturday, 2 March 2013 03:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

i was g00glepr00fing, way to faux pas

forks is lucky he didn't get stabbed over a marilyn monroe cd (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 04:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

sarg tankian

kendrick delmar - good kid, f.U.C.k. you (The Reverend), Saturday, 2 March 2013 04:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

SargDun

some dude, Saturday, 2 March 2013 12:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

well that was fucking great

the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 06:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

so you kicked it with sarge

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 12:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

how does it feel

Shuwopley (some dude), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 12:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

d and ?uest went on two hours late. did covers of cosmic slop and new position, lotsa new material and most of it sounded great. Africa, the root, lady, alright. was pretty much just what i wanted. very noodly, very jam session. dude sounds great.

the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink


the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 15:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

:)

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 16:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

the "lady" jam was amazing

his voice sounded great all night but esp on "the line"

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 5 March 2013 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

less "new music" and more "songs that were covers that I couldn't name" than i thought

i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 March 2013 02:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

I passed on a brand new copy of this for £1 in my local pound-land today. I thought about getting it, because I've heard v. good things, but every time I listen to it, nothing sticks. What's the attraction for people (genuine question)?

arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:47 (9 months ago) Permalink

I'm kinda regretting not buying it anyway, cause I feel I'm missing some crucial element.... but really, how come this is so acclaimed in critical circles?

arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:48 (9 months ago) Permalink

if you wouldn't spend $1.50 on a new copy of anything involving d'angelo let alone voodoo i think you're beyond help

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:56 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah...

flopson, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

in my defense, there is barely any room left to put new CDs atm.

this is not an adequate defense, i know.

arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:58 (9 months ago) Permalink

because every song on it is a jam????! i mean, if you doesn't grab you don't sweat it but i am having a hard time imagining anyone, much less somebody who posts on a discussion board called i love music, not hearing anything in a tough and beguiling song like "spanish joint"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:59 (9 months ago) Permalink

lol @ this thread started by poster called "the_splooge"

flopson, Thursday, 17 October 2013 00:00 (9 months ago) Permalink

appropriate imo

J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 October 2013 00:04 (9 months ago) Permalink

Tracer: well, I've only ever listened to it on spotify, which is probably not the best medium, but it just seems to drift endlessly, my eyes glaze over and I'm lost.

Still, it'll probably sound better on my stereo, so I'll head back tomorrow and grab it.

arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica), Thursday, 17 October 2013 00:51 (9 months ago) Permalink

If you need something extra to get you kickstarted on "Spanish joint" keep in mind that Charlie hunter is playing the bass and lead guitar parts simultaneously on a crazy custom guitar thing

6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 01:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

You know, if you need to distract yourself, delay the_splooge

6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 01:35 (9 months ago) Permalink

It took me a lot of time to understand this album before it became the greatest thing ever.

old homophobic boom bap rap traditionalist (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 October 2013 01:53 (9 months ago) Permalink

Yeah it's not really THAT immediate. Although if the groove of Devils Pie doesnt move you from the jump then something may be really wrong with you.

Me & Mahomies (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 17 October 2013 02:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

i heard "Spanish Joint" for the first time in forever outta nowhere recently, that song is pretty nuts.

deez so unusual (some dude), Thursday, 17 October 2013 03:44 (9 months ago) Permalink

this is one of those albums that doesn't make a ton of sense playing it at moderate volume via some lossy mp3s on your computer, pop in the CD and turn it up loud and it makes perfect, beautiful sense. it's all about the details.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:10 (9 months ago) Permalink

which is to say, but that CD for fuck's sake

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

i played it so loud the other week that my downstairs neighbor started banging on the ceiling

it was only 9 PM, he can fuck off

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

also that weird descending flutter thing in devil's pie.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:14 (9 months ago) Permalink

HOW
DOES
IT
FEEL

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Thursday, 17 October 2013 12:41 (9 months ago) Permalink

can't see much here but they used to start off the show with that devil's pie guitar thing, everyone wearing robes and hoods, so sick:

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 17 October 2013 13:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

Went back and bought this today.

After one listen on my stereo, I can tell I was missing an awful lot of detail from listening on my meager laptop speakers. I'm appreciating the grooves a lot more. Like someone said upthread, there are a lot of details to absorb. I dunno if I can consider it one of the greatest albums ever just yet, but I'm willing to entertain the notion, and look forward to the next few listens ahead!

How's Brown Sugar?

arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:24 (9 months ago) Permalink

i've said this before but this album is like a dance record, imo

rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:28 (9 months ago) Permalink

It took me a lot of time to understand this album before it became the greatest thing ever.

― old homophobic boom bap rap traditionalist (The Reverend), Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:53 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i_splooged the first time i heard it

flopson, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:33 (9 months ago) Permalink

but it's true that it does just keep getting better & better

flopson, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:37 (9 months ago) Permalink

nah this is totally a slow grower, still not sure i've fully appreciated it yet

k3vin k., Friday, 18 October 2013 19:38 (9 months ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Hell of a read.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 01:58 (2 months ago) Permalink

i made it like 15mins in to that red bull npr interview but it was really boring

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 02:50 (2 months ago) Permalink

there was some discussion on the other d'angelo thread...idk, i didn't find this super revelatory but i've been reading everything i can about about the dude for awhile. it's so bitter...like, if D had given him a proper thank you, would he no longer be a 'charlatan and a pimp'?

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 12:43 (2 months ago) Permalink

It seems more than that, doesn't it? Like, this guy was key to giving the guy his career, but also the implication is that in his absence D'Angelo's reputation as some sort of reclusive genius has only increased, yet this dude basically calls that out as a ruse, and that D absolutely needs someone around him providing direction and guidance to write or write well and actual produce. So that ties in with his resentment as one of those folks absolutely (allegedly) essential to D'Angelo and yet absent from the story. The thing is, D'Angelo's songs themselves aren't terribly earth shattering, are they? It's really the whole package, from production to approach. Frankly, I could imagine putting, say, ?uestlove and Pino Palladino in a room together with only the sketchiest of a song idea and getting something awesome out of it by the end of the day. By turning his back on all the people who helped him, D'Angelo makes it seem like he's the reclusive mastermind rather than the holdup. The lesson I got from this missive/rant is basically: this is what happens when you turn your back on all the people who helped you.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 13:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

The dude made it sound like he was the only one who really helped D. The rant would have been more effective without the disses of Nelson George and others, and all the sanctimonious self-praise and bitterness.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 14:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

Oh, absolutely, but it sounds like he was pretty essential, and iirc, it ends with basically D'Angelo asking him for help again after years of blowing him off and then going back to ignoring him again. Basically the behavior of an addict, really, and also par for the course from an act; the comments are illustrative in this case, basically saying you shouldn't be in this for thanks and credit. Then again, it's been 15 years between albums, so clearly something is missing from the equation when even the ace, dogged direction of ?uestlove can't get results.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 14:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

if anything Gary Harris doesn't take as much credit or discredit D'Angelo as much as he could've in that post. he was the person who put D in the studio with Raphael Saadiq, who co-wrote the biggest singles on BOTH of D's albums, which is something that always made me kind of look askance at D's songwriting abilities.

ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

i'm totally comfortable placing his genius in interpretation/performance/style/production rather than songwriting.

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:02 (2 months ago) Permalink

it doesn't take a psychiatrist to sense bad blood in that essay. without an unbiased appraisal, i'm taking it with a grain of salt. Looks like a good jumping off point for an article about the powers that brought D'Angelo to prominence and have continued to keep him levitating through this extended (and apparently self-abusive) fallow period... there's a few people in this thread who should have a go at that piece!

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

also the whole penultimate paragraph about dissing d'angelo's lack of 'funk' makes me think that he's a little deaf to what makes 'voodoo' special. sure, the saadiq single + sexy video blew it up in the first place, but that's not why it's continued to find a new audience over the last ~14 years.

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:33 (2 months ago) Permalink

i think its a direct response to stuff that was discussed in the recent RBMA/NPR thing too tho

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

re: "funk"

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

also the whole penultimate paragraph about dissing d'angelo's lack of 'funk' makes me think that he's a little deaf to what makes 'voodoo' special. sure, the saadiq single + sexy video blew it up in the first place, but that's not why it's continued to find a new audience over the last ~14 years.

― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:33 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

isn't he arguing that d'angelo isn't responsible for that part of the record, not that his albums lack it altogether

rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:40 (2 months ago) Permalink

it seems pretty evident to me that d'angelo's albums were always collaborative efforts. that's the soulquarians era ... obviously though he brought something to the table or itd be electric circus lol

rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

wasn't D "yoda" in that round table?

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:43 (2 months ago) Permalink

didn't D produce & play almost everything on 'brown sugar' himself? and yeah, voodoo is definitely the ultimate result of that collaborative era/space, but i don't think that takes anything away from him. i've read a lot about D writing all the basslines for pino, nudging the grooves around in Pro Tools to get the feel just right (although i can't find confirmation of that right now), and basically being involved in every aspect.

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

but i'm also sure that he needs people to push him in just the right fashion and is probably a nightmare to work with in any sort of conventional, professional way.

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

do we have anything approaching an actual reason that the album is not out beyond "D is kinda crazy"? Did George seriously not ask when the album was due? If so, that omission had to be some sort of contractual stipulation for the conversation to take place.

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

^my assumption as well

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

I assume that when this album eventually comes out it will be some Chinese Democracy-style trainwreck. if it ever comes out. nothing that gestates this long is ever any good (I certainly can't think of any precedents)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

probably only going to get a posthumous release

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:11 (2 months ago) Permalink

Jordan: your assumption on the former, the latter or both?
Shakey, I disagree: the new songs i heard from d'angelo from the brooklyn bowl show sounded pretty dang good to me. my guess is that his label needs reassurance that D's mental state to a place where he can tour before they release the album and that's the hold up.

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

this discussion is getting kinda rockist fwiw

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

from what i understand the songwriting process for 'voodoo' was a bunch of people in a room jamming off of prince or sly or soul train until they came up with workable bits that then were molded into songs? i could be misremembering/projecting

it no doubt seemed collaborative but who cares? what does that take away from the music or even his legend, i don't get it.

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

Jordan: your assumption on the former, the latter or both?

the latter. although i've also wondered the same thing about the label waiting for not just the record but a full promo campaign, i know people who were on the recent tours and uh yeah.

from what i understand the songwriting process for 'voodoo' was a bunch of people in a room jamming off of prince or sly or soul train until they came up with workable bits that then were molded into songs?

that happened too from what i understand. seems like it was one approach among many (solo writing, co-writing, jamming, working with dilla & premier, etc).

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:26 (2 months ago) Permalink

i've always kinda assumed that he has tons of really good stuff finished for album 3 and it's just personal setbacks/insecurities keeping him from mixing it all down and sending it to the label.

i don't think it takes anything away from his talent that he's gotten help from a lot of people, every big star has gotten help from a lot of people, even the total inarguable geniuses. but it seems like he's sheltered himself in his golden boy aura for so long that it was just a matter of time before someone he never gave much public credit to decided to pull his card.

ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

btw i played a show at the Brooklyn Bowl the other night and near the end i had this (silly) moment of "oh shit, this is right where D'Angelo was on this stage." :)

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:30 (2 months ago) Permalink

sure but that myth isn't really self-created, it's been built up by a lot of respected -- often important -- people. so maybe gary harris is kinda just a jealous asshole?

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

ime the music industry (on every level) is composed almost entirely out of people who are angry that their contributions have been underappreciated. from intern to frontman, logo designer to journalist, caterer to AR, publicist to programmer; thus has it always been forever and ever amen

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

tbf questlove is a class-A Rockist

rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

I'm cool with D'Angelo as a vocal genius almost on par with Prince, as far as singing and arranging goes. But musically, he's no Prince, which is why he needs to lean on so many others. But that's cool, that's how a lot of music is made. Zeppelin songs are credited Page/Plant, by and large, but no way would I credit anything that band did to just those two. So it goes.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:44 (2 months ago) Permalink

also the whole penultimate paragraph about dissing d'angelo's lack of 'funk' makes me think that he's a little deaf to what makes 'voodoo' special. sure, the saadiq single + sexy video blew it up in the first place, but that's not why it's continued to find a new audience over the last ~14 years.

― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:33 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Word. When I read that paragraph I was like "this makes sense if you've only heard Brown Sugar"

The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 21:57 (2 months ago) Permalink


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