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i fucking love it
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― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (8 years ago) Permalink
I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.
The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...
... doesn't appeal.
But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!
― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (8 years ago) Permalink
i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'
― rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:25 (8 years ago) Permalink
-- mitch dub (w!mbis...), April 7th, 2005."im not aware of the 50+ though.
― Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:27 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 May 2005 20:09 (8 years ago) Permalink
In LA Weekly article, he says he has "easily 200" cassettes lying around of albums and "masters".
― fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:27 (7 years ago) Permalink
― account settings (account), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:43 (7 years ago) Permalink
He's playing Knitting Factory on Friday I think; just wondering what the hell he's gonna do with himself on stage.
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i would like paper thanks
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:51 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:21 (6 years ago) Permalink
Shit, I guess that works for pretty much everything.
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― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:24 (6 years ago) Permalink
saw him the other night. he's finally got a good band together, a few sloppy parts but they really nailed the vocal harmonies and the weird time signitures. it actually SOUNDED just like his records too, which was weird.
― babedad, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
he was selling these homemade CD-Rs with different artwork for $20, i bought 3 of em and then found out they all had the same songs on them..
― babedad, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
Can't say I'm surprised.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
that sucks.
But cool that he sounded good :D
― Drooone, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
vudi from american music club is in this band now. which is weird. maybe I already said that upthread
― akm, Friday, 22 June 2007 17:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
there is some staggering kaleidoscopic talent lurking beneath the temporal hipster trappings IMHO
-- duke due, Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:45 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link
not that i mind the hipster trappings too much per se, but this is entirely OTM
― 69, Friday, 22 June 2007 19:00 (5 years ago) Permalink
Vudi?! No wonder he sounds so good now.
― henry s, Friday, 22 June 2007 19:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
it's too bad about this bullshit "hipster" stigma surrounding him, because he's by far the best songwriter out of any pop/rock/indie/whitebread variety these days and he's actually pretty funky too.
― babedad, Sunday, 24 June 2007 09:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
i mean, if wilco or whoever were to record an album of ariel pink songs, it'd be the unanimous critic-wide rock album of the year, no doubt.
― babedad, Sunday, 24 June 2007 09:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
but less psychedelic and closer to reality therefore would prob. be dud
― babedad, Sunday, 24 June 2007 09:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
what are we coming to
now playing: "Jules Lost His Jewels"
Come on baby, let's dance!
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 24 June 2007 09:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
new track is so good ("Can't Hear My Eyes")
keepin it smoooooth
― dmr, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
Which one doesn't belong? - Lilly Allen, Pink Elln, Ellen Allien
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:28 (4 years ago) Permalink
revisited the doldrums lately and realized that i enjoyed their live show much more than that album. interested in hearing that new track tho ^^
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
revisited the doldrums lately? bleh. recently
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink
flash player down at the bottom of this
http://space15twenty.com/ariel_pinks_haunted_graffiti
― dmr, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:48 (4 years ago) Permalink
thanks!
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
1520: What are you thinking about how you want your next album to be like?AP: The record will essentially be a formal reintroduction; me saying "hello friend. My name is Ariel Pink. You've probably read my name online somewhere, maybe your best friend burned you some of my older records, or perhaps you even think we've met at some time in the past. Baloney! Everything you think you know is WRONG- DEAD WRONG. THIS is me, naked, without the buffer of awful tape noise drowning out any lack of vision.
I dunno... That last sentence in particular sounds horrific. The noise must stay, damnit! Been listening to him alot again lately, so this smooth - it's what it is, indeed - sound comes as a surprise. It's a good song, but not as good as the best songs on this years Oddities Sodomies, I think.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
does he sound more 'professional' live (could be in a good or bad way)? or does he still sound a bit shambolic, like on the album?
― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
getting some fleetwood mac vibes, pretty cool. also sorta reminds me of gary wilson but a lot more listenable
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
fairly shambly, but in a unified sort of way. shamble tamble. they sang through some cheap reverbs, so it had some of the lo-fi vibe on their albums. played w/ 2 basses for a few of the songs too
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:06 (4 years ago) Permalink
I get the Gary Wilson comparison yeah, which is a good thing
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
Hey, wait a second! This new song doesn't have any farty-sounding beat boxing. WTF?!?
But seriously, this is a pretty great track. I don't think having a real studio recording hurts his sound at all.
― Moodles, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
Now this is starting to sound interesting...love Ariel but he needs to take it the next level...imagine Todd Rundgren producing...
― sonnyboy, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
^^^yeah you right
― henry s, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
I have a horse in this race kinda but imo sooner or later he's going to have to just let the songs stand on their own. I think his songs are terrific so I think it'll be pretty great though, the only q for me is how his voice will go over unmodulated/unfiltered. Listening now, just on first hearing, I think it'll be just fine - the great sensibility that makes him interesting, that 70s-blender cinematic feeling, is intact.
― J0hn D., Monday, 8 December 2008 22:48 (4 years ago) Permalink
I agree John. To me it's not a either/or question between modulated and naked songs, and letting the songs stand on it's own could get him moving again. But it's just that everything he's done, to me, is already of such utter beauty, I hopes he moves to the next level rather slow. That said, I'm really starting to dig this new song.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
The song he did with John Maus "Written All Over Your Face" was a signpost of what could be achieved...love that new song as well
― sonnyboy, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
Best thing was I saw him do a tour a few years go where he played with a new band backing him up in each city. That was actually kind of dull but after doing a set with them he just brought out his 4-track, plugged in his mic, and mixed the songs live. It was brilliant!
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah this is excellent. If he keeps this balance of clear but lo-fi his fingerprint will stay on the material. It's like a more sophisticated weathered sound. Well done.
The keyboardist and the drummer from Lilys are in the Haunted Grafitti now? Wow.
By the way I've been trying to get into John Maus for the last two days. Talk about a poor man's Ariel Pink. It's like he's trying to copy every aspect of Ariel Pink and just blowing it. That's got to be a bummer to shoot for crappy and fail.
― PublicRadio, Sunday, 21 December 2008 09:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
i think maus might be a rich man's ariel pink actually, but i like him too
― noizez duk, Sunday, 21 December 2008 09:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
Really? Yeah he seems to have his own following in his own right... Ariel Pink is very "new sincerity," with a keen sense of irony, but very genuine. The songs are well constructed, there's a process and a method, and he makes pretty well fleshed-out pop songs. John Maus just sounds to me like, "Hey I can do that! Synthesizers on tape with stupid joke lyrics!"
― PublicRadio, Sunday, 21 December 2008 10:30 (4 years ago) Permalink
By the way one's from beverly hills and the other's a colege professor. That would make them both a rich man's R. Stevie Moore, wouldn't it?
― PublicRadio, Sunday, 21 December 2008 10:31 (4 years ago) Permalink
Ariel Pink's recording an album with the guys from Vas Deferens Organization. They also did a side project called Shits & Giggles. Dunno who will release these things, but somebody really should.
― inhibitionist, Monday, 22 December 2008 03:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
Whoa, I'm really interested to hear this. I scrolled up the thread looking for any old posts I'd made on the subject but didn't find any, surprisingly. My favorite Ariel Pink songs - like "New Trumpets of Time" - were the ones where he played it straight, and I'd love to hear more in that vein.
John Maus rules.
― (Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 04:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
That new "Can't Here My Eyes" is quite good, very straight and sober pop. Someone mentioned Fleetwood Mac upthread, it's pretty apt.
― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Monday, 22 December 2008 16:04 (4 years ago) Permalink
― winston, Monday, 27 April 2009 01:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
if that is a press photo, I consider it awesome
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 April 2009 02:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
wtf that p4k review
― baaderonixx, Monday, 4 May 2009 12:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I don't get that review, at all.
― Krapp's lesser-known First Tape (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 4 May 2009 15:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
And I'm trying to explain why, but I keep ending up baffled.
― Krapp's lesser-known First Tape (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 4 May 2009 15:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
Whoah... if the great Can't Hear My Eyes and the new single Flashback are any indication, the new album of Ariel Pink will be the best album in the history of music. Ever.
Flashback, on the 'Reminiscenses' (tour) EP, is fan-tas-tic. It starts out a cappela, and when the guitars (with crazy solo's) kick in, Ariel sings and scream and the song is a an 80s rocker. It's not hard to imagine this in an 80s episode of Miami Vice, during the part when Crocket & Tubbs are after the bad guys, when the race is on. Or something. The production is very clear (the sound equals that of 'Can't Hear My Eyes'). Then, at 3/4th there's a huge guitarsolo and the song ends with a euphoric crossing of hair metal and a jam out, it goes quiet for half a second and then FLASHBACK! It gets another round. So fucking great!Rama Ya is a singalong punkrocker, and the title song is a gorgeous wobbly synthy instrumental. Pick this up on his tour or order it rom his website!
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is it only available on vinyl? I have had "Flashback" stuck in my head after hearing it only once!
― Metro Video Centers, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
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But The Doldrums is already the best album in the history of music. Ever. I prefer my Ariel Pink murky.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
I know Kevin, I prefer my Ariel murky as well, but have have you heard Can't Hear My Eyes? And this new one? They both can be the best album in the world! Ever.
@Metro, yeah it's a 7" ltd. to 1000. Mine came with the tour goody bag. But, y'know, there's always mp3's and stuff floating around.
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://pitchfork.com/tv/#/episode/1966-ariel-pink
^ Flashback
― Enemy Insects (NickB), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
Thanks NickB!! They're cool as cats man.
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
I know Kevin, I prefer my Ariel murky as well, but have have you heard Can't Hear My Eyes? And this new one?
The latter only. I like it. But for me, the murk places a burden on his music that makes it ache more. See also other best album in the world ever candidate Belong: Colorloss Record.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
I will try that album, haven't hear it!
And I totally know where you're coming from. I'm madly in love with the aesthetic of 'The Doldrums', it indeed aches and feels weird and unbalanced in a glorious way, golden harmonies from outer space.Lately he's polishing his sound, it seems. I was at first a tad dissapointed (read earlier on in this thread), but have grown very fond of 'Can't Hear My Eyes' especially. But yes, he'll probably never top The Doldrums. I'm just mad excited 's all :)
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
I prefer the one that has Jools lost his jewels since that's the first one I ever heard
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah me too. the opener, 'Trepanated Earth', is breezy, massive and totally desperate at the same time. For such a 70's "golden harmonies" type of songwriter he often comes up with the type of minor-key bleakness that could nicely fit on a Cure album.
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
was kinda let down by "can't hear my eyes" because while it was produced more 'cleanly', it wasn't really produced well. kinda like if you took out the reverb and blew the dust off those gas records. or watching ugly people on big screen hi-def
― guammls (QE II), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
NickB, I kiss you! I can't believe that I simply missed that Belong EP. It is brilliant! Ariel Pink on downers, golden harmony onder a thick clutter of ambient noise. I like it very, very much indeed. Is their album equally good?
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
listening to worn copy tonight...man I fuckin love this record so much.
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 23:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
really want to see him live again. such a happy time. still don't know anyone these days who writes pop songs as good as him (but i'm way out of the loop.) if there was an albums poll, i wouldn't know what to pick; the first four that were (re)released are all 10/10 outstanding.
― winston, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 00:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
what a beautiful mess his live shows are!
― henry s, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 01:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
worn copy better all-around than the doldrums but the first 1/2 of the doldrums is eye-poppingly great
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 28 July 2009 01:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
I am happy with either "Bobby Pyn" or "Trepanated Earth" being considered his magnum opus...I also think House Arrest should have both those albums worriedly twisting their hair...
― henry s, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 01:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Artist of the decade. Seriously.
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 02:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think maybe I agree!
― bad-boy (sic) cartographer (actually a girl) (called) (not named) (Abbott), Tuesday, 28 July 2009 02:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Young Pilot Astray" from The Doldrums is a mixtape staple and one of my favorite tracks of the decade. Haven't heard enough of his other releases to have an overall opinion, but "YPA" (and "For Kate I Wait") are perfect in every detail.
― Telephone thing, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 02:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
remember when ilm was super skeptical about this?
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
guy
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
like this guy a lot, but flying circles is one of my top 5 songs of all time so it tends to dwarf the other stuff for me
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
Can't remember those times Plaxico (I wasn't around back then, surely is the reason)... Was ILM foul mouthing Ariel Pink?
Picked up the My Molly' 7" the other day on eBay. The man simply is incapable of dissapointing!
― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 01:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
whoever OTM up there w/r/t Worn Copy >> Doldrums. Not always in the mood for this guy, but when I am I'm always amazed at how he can come up with an otherwordly bridge or coda out of nowhere.
― Gigolo Grasiento (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 07:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah back in 2005, everyone was like "Fucking trustafarian tosser bangin on about Nazis, been given all this reording equipment to play with by his parents, should go out and get a proper job..." etc. I never had a problem with it though and I'm glad people are giving Worn Copy some biggups as it was always my favourite.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 08:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think it helps that he really seems like a genuine weirdo, moreso than someone with stevie-moore-fetishist acid fried schtick.
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 10:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
he's kind of a dick.
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
How so?
― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
he's seven inches long and spurts piss and jizz.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
I met him at a bar and he was very dickish. in his defense i guess it was like 3 in the morning and he had played a show that night, but when people are friendly to you you shouldn't be a dick to them.still love his music though. I think House Arrest is my favorite. There are some killer tracks on that holy shit album, too.
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah he was selling merch after his London show and he seemed a bit miserable...like buy you're stuff and fuck off...do think he is a talent tho
― sonnyboy, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
isn't the dude's sister in a vegetative state, or something?...cut him some slack, he's probably got all sorts of issues...
― henry s, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
The ethio jam on one of the newish 7 inches is great.
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah from what I hear from my LA scenesters friends, dude's got some pretty serious issues. Anyway, the guy might be a fucked-up asshole, but his stuff never comes across as douchey or ironic, and way more emotionally engaging than any lo-fi hipster darling.
― Gigolo Grasiento (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
No, I totally agree on that front.
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha dude even the stuff from like 5 years ago upthread is largely positive!
also lover boy's finally out on vinyl, which is great, because it has some of his best stuff imo ("don't talk to strangers," "so glad," "let's get married," "i don't need enemies," although i wish it woulda included "new trumpets of time" because that shit is a jam and a half too).
― pretzel walrus, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 15:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
this guy is awesome
― Dr. Morbius or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Ban (Tape Store), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 15:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2009/07/debut-lp-by-ariel-pink-and-vdos-new.html
Anyone know the deal with this new project? This thing Ariel is doing with the Mutant Sounds dude? Sounds interesting...
― SourPatchCorpse, Monday, 3 August 2009 22:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
his Invisible Jukebox in the new Wire is pretty hilarious.
― beta blog, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 16:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
i've stanned for Ariel since The Doldrums, and will continue to stan for him afterwards. he does have issues, but he's also *painfully* quiet and shy, and it isn't an affect. he was very kind to me the last time i hung with him, but then again, me and my friends were all coming down from ecstasy whilst petting him and smoking pot.
my faves:"Gettin High in the Morning" <----because really, he gets the feeling down."Artifact""The Drummer""Alisa""Somewhere in Europe/Hot Pink!""Oblivious Peninsula"
also, the Gettin High in the Morning--->Helen--->Every Night I Die at Miyagi's--->House Arrest---> Alisa----> The People I'm Not section of "House Arrest" might be the best shit ever. never fails.
― nice! he have the balls to say the truth! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 17:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
― spiny doughboy (baaderonixx), Thursday, 10 September 2009 15:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
<3 <3 <3
― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 10 September 2009 15:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
wow"Los Angeles’ notorious lo-fi pop oufit Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti have been unveiled as the latest signings to 4AD. The group are currently recording their first record for the label, due spring 2010."
― mizzell, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
o_O
Ariel and 4AD... that's such an insane combination it can only work out brilliantly.
― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 26 November 2009 11:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Seems like a great fit, though 4AD certainly isn't the label it used to be, after the Beggars Banquet merger.
― henry s, Thursday, 26 November 2009 12:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
OMG I LOVE THIS NEW SONG
http://gorillavsbear.blogspot.com/2010/03/mp3-new-ariel-pinks-haunted-graffiti.html
― akaky akakievich, Friday, 12 March 2010 16:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
Would I like Ariel Pink?
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 12 March 2010 17:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
good song, but i am almost tempted to run it through some VST effects to simulate the dirty cassette tape sound of the older stuff.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 12 March 2010 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
I am loving the clean sound tbh
― Trip Maker, Friday, 12 March 2010 17:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't blame the dude for moving on from the lo-fi. The new production is pristine. But for me, that dense layer of reel-to-reel-track-bouncing in a wood-paneled basement studio, and his sometimes off-key caterwauling, sort of made it possible to listen to what otherwise is 80s style smooth rock. I know that there's a lot more going on here in terms of weird FX and drones drifting in an out of the foreground, but I'm not sure I could listen to a whole album of this, unless there are some pretty weird excursions. Guy does have a great ear for melody, though. Song is one of his catchiest.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 12 March 2010 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's cool, 80s style smooth rock is like my favorite tho.
― akaky akakievich, Friday, 12 March 2010 17:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
just out of curiosity, are you old enough to remember that kind of stuff being on the radio at, like, department stores?
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 12 March 2010 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
I hope that doesn't sound ageist or anything - I just wonder if my own distaste for 80s smooth rock is because I had to suffer through it (it seemed to soundtrack particularly miserable times such as being stuck in TJ Maxx type stores, or dentist offices, as a kid), as opposed to looking back on it as an artifact. All the wobbly tape phasing and artificial aging of his earlier stuff allowed me to think of it as an artifact more than something I grew up with. if that makes sense.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 12 March 2010 18:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
nah, you're right. i was born in 85, but grooving to some hall & oates in tj maxx sounds like my kind of party.
― akaky akakievich, Friday, 12 March 2010 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cover is pretty funny
― Trip Maker, Friday, 12 March 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
there was a lot more to his better stuff than lofi fm pop schtick, i don't know how you'd see 'trepanated earth' in those terms
this new thing is not so good
― nakhchivan, Friday, 12 March 2010 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
what's I've heard of where he's going I like, but my fondness for his whole deal - his melodies, the conversational phrasing of his weird lyrics, the whole vibe - is high
― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Friday, 12 March 2010 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Fuck Hall & Oates. Ariel Pink is 1000x better.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 12 March 2010 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ariel Pink needs to invest in a rhodes piano and a sax player for his new band.
― Spectrum, Friday, 12 March 2010 22:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
Nevermind, there's the rhodes piano sound. 1-2 minute dreamy sax solo (or two!!) and now we're talkin.
― Spectrum, Friday, 12 March 2010 22:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Don't know if I posted this anywhere else around here, but the one time I saw him live was pretty hilarious. He stood on the stage for like five minutes, pointed at everyone, screamed XANAX and then just ran outside. His band just kind of stood there dumbfounded and then one of the dudes was like "...alright" and they all busted into this really tight return to forever-like jazz fusion track. I was pretty drunk and went outside at some point and he was all hunched up against a dumpster in an alleyway looking like that lord of the rings guy. I walked up to him and went "I...uh...your music is pretty good." He kind of blinked and I left.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 12 March 2010 22:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
Sneak preview of Ariel Pink's new single:
― Spectrum, Friday, 12 March 2010 22:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
nah, "baker st." iirc
― guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 March 2010 23:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
liking the new song but I agree that there's more to the guy than underproduced breezy AM rock. Trepanated Earth is a good example of the haunting side a lot of his songs somehow carry
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
I like this song a lot!
― How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol @ Spectrum
are u who I think u are btw
― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok i'm on board with this new stuff
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Saturday, 13 March 2010 02:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yes guy has chops that transcend fidelity.
― Adam Bruneau, Saturday, 13 March 2010 15:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
Round and Round is so swank. loving this shit
― dmr, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
first jam of summer. well, it's sunny today, anyhow.
― gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
I tend not to dig Ariel Pink when he comes out from under those layers of crud. But this, this is pretty stunning. And it's far from 1980s soft rock soi-même; it's a pretty demented take on said genre. Which doesn't mean it wouldn't be great to hear him have a "Chasing Cars"-sized hit with it. Good show!
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
I was around for 80s style smooth rock, didn't like it then, love it now
― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Let's hear it for the boy.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
hey, seany here. as every1 knowz, im such a fucking fan of the a pink h graffitti , i mean we're talking fuckn 'doldrmz is like the best album ever' smashn ur gf to 'kate i wait' but then taking acid and telling alan palomo to get tacos with you. you blast 'strange fires' and he just goes 'god damn' im like yeah- make an album dude. then you get to the taco place and hes like. dude. have no money right now. but you cover him cuz at the time ur working at a dry cleaners. and you just livn in a haze like his chosen aesthetic until u know.. he learns how to craft into marketability.
just saying... this song fucking is like turning on the radio and like ur friend jumps in ur car, as u drive off the wind blows through your hair and your just like 'man we own these streets' and then you wreck and glass goes through both of your 'beaner hair' and while blood is gushing out, yo ushit yourself. then wake up. and realize you dont have a job anymore
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 18:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^^^knob
― Michael B, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
That sounds like shock to me, if you get in a wreck and blood is gushing from your "beaner hair" and you're thinking about employment. That's like riding your bike into a concrete electric pole and getting up and looking around for the crumpled napkin you were going to throw out.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
diggin' the fuck outta thisreelect smooth music in '10
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 19:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
really liking this but I don't really find it that different from his old stuff
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
When the shit does this new record drop? What is it called?
― Palpatean Mists (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 28 March 2010 19:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's a mystery!
― akaky akakievich, Sunday, 28 March 2010 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
hmmm the pitchdorks list "before today" as coming out 6/8 on 4AD in their guide to upcoming releases today.....
can't find info about that elsewhere though.
― akaky akakievich, Thursday, 1 April 2010 17:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ariel! Oh, Ariel!
― Spinspin Sugah, Thursday, 1 April 2010 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Chillwave forefather Ariel Pink and his band Haunted Graffiti are ready to release their first album for 4AD, dubbed Before Today and due out June 8 on CD, LP, and MP3. According to a press release, some of the 12-track album was recorded in Tito Jackson's former home studio with Quincy Jones' grandson Sunny Levine and Rik Pekkonen, whose past credits include Iggy Pop, Brian Wilson, and Ricky Martin (!).
― mizzell, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
"first album"
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
"chillwave forefather"
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
uh first album for 4AD
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
that album cover is somewhere between o_O and ^_^
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
rather look at that cover than the one of a guy frenching a dog tbh
pretty psyched for this album
― dmr, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha, I had completely forgotten that this used to have a different cover -- I was just commenting because the new one struck me as so... strange. it's like a pastiche of something that I can't quite place, and that may not have ever actually existed.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
that was just the cover of the single (the one with the dog)
― mizzell, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's like a pastiche of something that I can't quite place, and that may not have ever actually existed.
Haha yeah totally, I'm mentally flipping through "iconinc" 70s classic rock covers to find the original.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think "a pastiche of something that never actually existed" might be an interesting way to describe ariel...
i dig the leather pants. definitely gonna be an L.A. album...
― akaky akakievich, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp tho what's with the glowing white witch?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx)
smh
― ksh, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
He sort of is though?
― Number None, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 15:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah I get the meaning but its just pretty wtf to see this so-called genre already referencing its forefathers. Guess I'm just old.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
The new album is really good.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
man, i played a show with this dude like five years ago. i kinda liked the record, but his live show was alot of him slapping his ass yelling "pee pee doo doo."
If you would have pulled me aside and said, "In 2010, all indie rock will sound like this," I would have stared a dagger into your soul.
― swag surfer blood (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
hope his full time band means the live show has improved (just bought tickets for the mercury lounge show).
― mizzell, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
actually last time i saw him, on the tour with cass mccombs, he was pretty good.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
I saw him at SXSW in 2005 (I think) and the show was transcendent. His show next year at SXSW was awful (embarrassingly so since I dragged a few people to witness the glory). And so it goes...
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Youtube evidence would lead one to believe that the band is pretty tight imo.
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
saw him with I guess the new band in Dublin last year, tight as fuck (apart from AP himself who was shambolic in a v charismatic way - apparently his rider called for an enormous quantity of weed, most/all of which was consumed pre-show).
― p-dog, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
― swag surfer blood (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, April 6, 2010 12:18 PM
does all indie rock sound like this in 2010?
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, April 6, 2010 12:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah this is funny! Forefather meaning someone around 5-6 years ago...
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
he was good at Music Hall of Wburg last year, I was skeptical going in cuz his live reviews are pretty mixed but it was a tight show
― dmr, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
Saw him in Miami and his band was really tight, as some people have indicated above, but they were also boring, and they concluded the show with the worst freak-out jam of all time. Ariel was really high, trying to compete with Ida No, who fell off stage into the bar.
Sound check was three hours and doors opened really late. You couldn't tell at all that they'd put so much work into it, and the bass hurt all the audience's ears.
I'd rather have seen him with a guitar and keyboard and sampler and CDr set up, going solo like in those early shows which have been described as terrible. Ariel's drummer carried a lot of the weight, and his voice seemed to be higher in the mix than Ariel's. Ariel looked really old and a bit like the troll under the bridge from "Three Billy Goats Gruff."
I liked the CDs, especially the pop stuff, despite the occasionally plagiarized tune, but that show put me off for years. To the present, really.
That single up above sort of reminds me of when Beck decided he was a real singer and had to sing pretty, and started putting out (even more) boring records The production and voice clash. Also, the production haze of the earlier recordings is like a trick to get around how harsh hi-fi recordings often sound. Only in theory do I like the AM smooth pop aesthetic.
What did I just do. Post stuff. Give opinions.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
He was AWFUL at Primavera last year...still, pumped for the new record, 'Round and Round' sounds wick.
― Dwight Yorke, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
three hour soundcheck?
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yes. We put the chess board away, but could've played two more games. I was pissed!
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
Not that the sound guy and opening bands couldn't have been blamed. And the management.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
disappointed to find out he's a stoner. weed is boring. was hoping he was either a pillhead or totally clean and just naturally mental.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
WEED is AWESOME-
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
The cover kinda reminds me of Lou Reed's 'Take No Prisoners' album...kinda like it...
― sonnyboy, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
disappointed to find out he's a stoner. weed is boring. was hoping he was either a pillhead...
wow
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Gettin' high in the morning" iirc
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
<img src>http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uB-0D-gV8mY/SFm0KyVUivI/AAAAAAAAJqk/O23jZ-92Fus/s400/killing+joke<;/img>
― uptown churl, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
damn sorry for the wack html
Wait, how is it a surprise that he's a stoner?
― how is abbott formed (Abbott), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
he was terrific and totally pro when i saw him 3 years ago (with band). new single sounds ok. i agree w/bamquern re: the vocals. same situation with that recent-ish (?) glass candy single where ida no's vox are devoid of much reverbhaze and just don't mesh. weed is awesome, btw.
― hobbes, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
add lucifer's friend s/t to the stack of "waht does this cover look like"
― hobbes, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
i thought of Ramones meets Ziggy Stardust covers
― Zeno, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is some of the weirdest I-demand-a-certain-image-from-the-artist stuff I have ever run across
― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
xposts didn't mean to out him as a stoner (if indeed i did), thought it was well-known/obvious tbh...
― p-dog, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
wow - he's the first person ive ever heard of who smokes weed!
― Zeno, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
everyone in california smokes the doobage. even your mom.
― Spinspin Sugah, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
I really wasn't serious, no do U care what drugs the dude does tbh. I'm just saying Miley Cyrus is probably a pothead. It's so normal these days that to hear stories about how he smoked a dump truck full of weed before a show is just kind of... mundane. I demand juicier drug details from my weirdo artists!!
― richie aprile (rockapads), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
wtf? that should be *nor do I care*
no do U care
lol u were high as a motherfucker when you wrote that
― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm getting a sort of cross between Ziggy Stardust and What's THIS For by Killing Joke...
― Gavin in Leeds, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
xpostsit was a pretty mundane story, sorry! :) anyway it was a superb gig, his band were seriously chops-tastic, and the new song is grrreat. love that moment about two minutes in when the multilayered voices singing "Hold on!" break thru the haze. to paraphrase what someone said upthread about the album cover, it makes me feel nostalgic for something that I can't quite place, and that may not have ever actually existed. excited about the new album.
― p-dog, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cover reminded me of Desmond Child and Rouge
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
ugh sorry so huge
oh man. wkiw ^ xp
― hobbes, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 22:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
tbh i hear AP is crazed w c0c@1n3 but more broadly i dont care
― 69, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 22:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
cocaine? pfft, nowadays i don't listen to anyone on anything less potent than dmt
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
just echoing the love for round and round
never really dug this dude before but this joint is ill
― max, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
wkiw = ?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
that song sounds like Washed Out(and i like it)
― Zeno, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
would kick it with
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
ah thanx
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
agreed
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 7 April 2010 13:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
― max, Tuesday, April 6, 2010 7:26 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
have you heard Can't Hear My Eyes? u gotta
― dmr, Thursday, 8 April 2010 04:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
leaked, btw.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 04:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, and the album is aswesome.the production of it is the best thing i've heard in awhile, which i guess is even a bigger achievement for him as a lo-fi artist (till now).as for the tunes: a little more accessible, but the weird-psych is still going on with full power for most of it, and thank god for that.
every song sounds a somewhat different, though they all share the same vibe as a whole:animal collective, mercury rev (little wig), stereolab (bright lit), air, fleetwood mac/chicago (can't hear my eyes). actually 70's softrock all over the place.gotta love it.
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 08:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hoping we get at least one Aeroplane remix of a track from this album.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 8 April 2010 08:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
well this album pretty much owns
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 09:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
excited!!
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 8 April 2010 09:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
what is a butt-house blondie?
― mizzell, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
the last track on this is pretty ace.. it's like a weirdo kraut wire tune
― Tom doesn't sleep.. Tom Waits. (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 8 April 2010 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
There's a zip on 4chan but i that sounds like a bad idea....
― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
This might be the best thing he has done. Either that, or I'm getting carried away. Time will tell.
― SourPatchCorpse, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
This one is going definitely going to net him a new audience. The production is excellent, shimmering and hazy, and shows he can work just as well within a more "produced" setting. Late 70's Fleetwood Mac aesthetic is definitely in place, plenty of weirdo lounge-pop; this has "LA Record" written all over it.
― oscar, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
what are the lyrics of the chorus of "round and round"?
today i've been singing "i'm goin baaaaaack/ goin baaaaaack/ to the maaaaaaaaall"
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
now is the time alloted for ariel pink, huh. is this just 4ad publicity? or ppl hate lofi more than i thought. not sure what else helps an act like this move up a division as it looks like is going on.
― ogmor, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
ariel pink is da best at basslines
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
s this just 4ad publicity?
partly, sure
or ppl hate lofi more than i thought.
hifi music is generally more accessible
not sure what else helps an act like this move up a division as it looks like is going on.
writing a single as good as "round and round"
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp OTM "alisa" por ejemplo
― 69, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
people like to think they're watching artists grow up and mature and grow, and this all fits into his whole narrative about shedding the bullshit and giving you the real, raw deal ariel pink.
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
chorus of the year so far imo
the raw pink
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
can't wait to see this dude live
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
@ the hollywood bowl
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
ogmor: i'm listening to this album pretty loud in my living room atm and my stepfather just asked what artist this is, and said he was groovin to it and would check him out. he's not a total grump but i'm pretty sure if it were any other ariel pink album he would have just told me to turn it down or off entirely.
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
this album will fill the niche this year that the girls album did last year
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
Except I won't find it lacking.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
unsure how much ilm head-types differ from the dads of the world in lofi tolerance. I spose 4ad is the biggest factor; pretty sure plenty of ppl digging this wld have no clue if he'd recorded anything this good before, quality is necessary, not sufficient.
― ogmor, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
I've been in and out of familiarity with Ariel Pink since the first stuff started coming out (way-too-hip weirdo music friends), and there's definitely been a shift to a more accessible songwriting style in that time. The lofi to hifi shift doesn't hurt things, but I don't think it really explains the sudden greater interest in the way the better/different songwriting style does. I mean, people went nuts over Times New Viking for a hot minute and they record things over a phone on an answering machine.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
the songwriting seems more key, its more poised & elegant and less crazed rs moore, amateur fan in the bathroom. maybe I wish the relationship between those two sounds was more up for grabs for more ppl, but I am a guy that just wants to see more love from ppl all the time anyway
― ogmor, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
almost every song sounds like a direct pastiche for another band/song.
but it's a professional theft.
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
Album sounds good on one listen but nothing sounds as great as "Round and Round"
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
Round and Round is the sort of a song i usually likes at first, but after awhile neglect it in favour of the more sophisticated,less immediate stuff, that lingers longer
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm having trouble figuring out why all of Ariel's previous albums were largely ignored and yet the leak of this one is an internet-wide musical/cultural event.
― skip, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
cause of THE PRODUCTION
and the single i guess
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm having trouble figuring out why you've apparently chosen not to read any of this thread
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
in terms of songwriting - it's still kinda "difficult"xpost
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
also apparently he is influential now iirc
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
ive listened to this on repeat all day and agree with zeno. even though "round and round" is more immediate, the other songs virtues are starting to really shine through. its def a grower and conducive to close listening. from what i can tell this album is going to please many different types of people. also the varied comment upthread is otm, but its still cohesive soundwise.
― oscar, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
also lol at "beverly kills" sounding like a boogie/freestyle track and a stereolab b-side
― oscar, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's like a trivia game: guess the origin of the song.for example:
Little Wig = mercury rev's Syringe Mouth
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
I listened to this while working, so I wasn't entirely focused on it, but what hit me a few times while listening to this was a sort of deja vu feeling of listening to side 2 of the Cure's
Standing on a Beach/Staring at the Sea
― richie aprile (rockapads), Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol @ formatting, those were supposed to be italics
haha - haven't heard the new one, but I always felt that there was a distinctive Cure thing all over his music. SoaB b-side is a good reference point, with that similar murky, underwater bass sound that permeates some of these songs
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 9 April 2010 08:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
can someone point me to some places where this is an "internet-wide cultural event"? what internet are you on?
this is a serious question
― Kyrgyham (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
new single posted on tons of blogs, reported on pitchfork, etc. It's not different from the media buzz around your average indie p4k band but I don't recall any of that for past Ariel Pink releases.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
my theory is that since dude released like a zillion albums from '04-'07 before going quiet for a couple years, he's getting a lot of "oh hey, ariel pink, I remember sorta-liking what I heard of that guy -- wonder what he's up to now?" general-interest clicks
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
Loving this. I think I like it even more since I'm already familiar with about half the songs.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
(said clicks, of course, tending to alight upon his super-catchy, accessible, and just generally great new single, then proceed to show their approval through a series of retweets and complex interpersonal dance steps, and next thing you know dude's getting a thousand hugs from ten thousand lightning blogs)
xp
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
xoxoxo
― Kevin John Bozelka, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Friday, April 9, 2010 9:46 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
he hasn't released anything on a label with any kind of presence since 2006, right? quite possibly the internet has changed a lot since then.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Thus the 'forefather' status.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
He's been putting out some great singles on his own, which all turn up on Day Before. And there was the reissue of Loverboy on 2lp.And there was a digital collection called Grandes Exitos that had an early version of Revolution's a Lie called Evolution's a Lie.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
xxp yeah I guess most people got into this guy during these last 4 years and this is simply his first release since most people took notice of him.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 9 April 2010 14:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
I know it's probably a bad idea invoking Animal Collective on here but i think the situation with this album is not dissimilar to what happened with Merriweather Post Pavillion, it's being touted as his "pop" album, more accessible production etc. It's not hard to see why people are more interested in this than his previous stuff (which i love).
― Number None, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's the HRO factor?
Damn this album is awesome! Gonna be some good jams for summer 2010 dance parties!
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 9 April 2010 15:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
Fright Train is addictive.
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 16:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Fright Night i mean
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 16:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
finally figured out what he's saying in Round & Round after about the 100th listen: AND WE'LL DAZZLE THEM ALL
not "and we'll dance at the mall"
(although I'm still hazy on the line before that ... "calling back to the boat?" "coming back to the Bowl," like the Hollywood Bowl?)
― dmr, Friday, 9 April 2010 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, sounds like boat to me.i was reading a book to the melody of the chorus yesterday.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
The big difference with Animal Collective is that all of AC's albums were critically acclaimed during the buildup toward a more slickly produced "pop" hit. By contrast, Pitchfork gave Grandes Exitos a 7.0, House Arrest a 6.2, Scared Famous a 6.1, and Worn Copy a 5.9, and many other outlets didn't even bother to review Ariel's albums. The new record is not better than House Arrest yet it's going to get slobbered over by everybody. I haven't read any good reasons why it's as good as HA, let alone significantly more accomplished, or repudiations of previous negative writeups, but it's early. We'll see what the reviews say.
― skip, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
HA is rad.
― bamcquern, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gotta agree. I hate to sound like an elitist old guard fan or anything, but I'm not hearing what makes this better than his other albums. The Doldrums, Worn Copy and House Arrest all sound much more interesting to me. I like the singles and a couple tracks like "Fright Night" and "Beverly Kills," but I'm painfully disappointed overall. It just doesn't seem like that big of a step toward anything to me.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
i would agree that outside of round and round, most of these songs are not above and beyond what he has done in the past.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
And I would argue that they're still on par with what he's done in the past, which means they're fantastic.
― Fetchboy, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i agree
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
the songwriting is more or less the same,yes - but thats good.whay change something that worked so well in the past?the differene lies in the production and the label.
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
The main issue here is production, its crisp, engaging and evocative, and more obviously, it functions; and quite well might I add. Many of the "elitist old guard" thought his work would be diminished by better production but this album proves the cynics wrong. As far as it being better or worse than HA is debatable but not really the point. It's a logical continuation of his earlier work and if one takes Ariel's word at face value in his interviews (he has repeatedly said his lo-fi approach was not one bourne of aesthetics but one of exigency) he would have made this record a long time ago.
― oscar, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
I agree that "Round and Round" is kind of transcendent, which was not my original opinion, and perhaps the rest of the album will reveal its genius to me over time in a similar fashion. But that's not the kind of thing you can figure out on a snap judgment and it makes the frenzied ululating all the more ridiculous.
― skip, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
Round and Round is wicked - love that chorus. Very curious to investigate this guy. I doubt I'm the only one in this camp.
― Davek (davek_00), Friday, 9 April 2010 17:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
Listen to The Doldrums. I believe it's one of the very best albums of the 2000s.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is such an LA album. he should cover this...fast.
― Spinspin Sugah, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
And don't let the lo fi business keep you from enjoying the music. I think if you listen to any of his albums more than once, it'll be a distant thought.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's the other thing: all his albums sound like LA albums to me. he is a very LA artist.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
the lofi-ness is what got me to pay attention in the first place.
― Spinspin Sugah, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
specifically, "Credit".
"he is a very LA artist"
why?
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
xpost teflon - yes shamelessly downloading now. I also listened to some of House Arrest on Spotify and it didn't disappoint. My favourite artist of the 00s (Max Tundra) had Worn Copy as his favourite of the 00s. Oh my here we go.
― Davek (davek_00), Friday, 9 April 2010 17:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's mainly the mix of bright sounds with foggy (or smoggy) production. he gives off a very hollywood blvd scuzzy vibe, just reminds me of driving past run-down buildings in a cheap convertible.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
^Yes, compare the mellow, soft-focus glide of Round and Round to 'Warm Ways' by Fleetwood Mac, maybe the ultimate cali-pop band.
― Davek (davek_00), Friday, 9 April 2010 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
I want a girl that's beautiful like a sunset...on a strip
― Trip Maker, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
y'know it makes me ... tickcause I see you (see u) in a special way
― dmr, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
That song rules. It's like the Village Green Kinks wrote a synthpop soundtrack to an 80s infomercial.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
does the chorus of Round and Round creep anyone else out (in a good way)? I can't put my finger on it, but something about it strikes me as eerie. kind of surprised to see people saying that song is good vibes... to me it sounds like it is intentionally trying to channel those sort of crazy burnt-out 60s/70s phony good vibes, like Manson or Wilson trying to do happy pastoral. maybe I'm just reading too much into the whole persona that has been built up around him, or too much into the awesomely spooky production on this album.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 9 April 2010 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Go back through his albums, richie. That's an effect he puts to good use frequently. He does this weird high pitched funny voice a whole lot.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
round & round chorus sounds totally prom to me
― J0rdan S., Friday, 9 April 2010 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
xpost i can definitely see where you're coming from, it strikes me as sort of creepy and sad. its heightened by the fact that the lyrics (from what I can make out) don't seem to refer to much of anything outside of the song itself, yet the songwriting still works on the listener, making you feel the good vibes despite the negativity humming in the background of the song.
this is the first song i've heard by ariel pink that i've really gotten into, but from what i've heard (and seen) of him, i'm not surprised to be getting this vibe. i think its more effective for me in this song, though, because the production is cleaner and the good-pop feelings more pronounced.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 9 April 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
How can you listen to Among Dreams and not here he already had it a few years back?
Or this:
Dude's just a talent.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
I love that there's renewed interest.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
Critics just seem naturally conservative and backward thinking to me. Back in the early 2000s when people were trumpeting Ariel Pink as an innovative artist, Pitchfork and others were totally trashing and ridiculing his work. Now all of a sudden ... it's great! ... now that lots of people are starting to appreciate him, and "the times" are safely within his style and perspective.
What do you do about that outside of feeling good you were there first?
― Spectrum, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
write about what you like in a way that makes other people wanna hear it?
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 9 April 2010 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
I've got this on now, I've been listening obsessively to his back catalogue over the last month so the timing of this is great. It may be more polished but it's as stylistically scattershot and hook-filled as his other albums so, yeah, I'm happy. The whole 'Godfather of Chillwave' thing is news to me, I have to say.
― Gavin in Leeds, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ariel addresses the point about P-Fork giving him initial bad reviews due simply to the fact that they didn't unveil him to the world. All the other smaller online pubs followed suit( as they usually do) with "this guy's schtick, its trying-too hard to be weird, we don't like it",. Basically alot of critics didn't know what to make of him. He was given a very positive review via Rolling Stone and P-Fork snarkily felt that if a big middle brow pub liked this Ariel Pink dude, well we obviously don't because we are the indie-elite and know better that this guy really just sucks. To what extent all this is true, is anyone's guess, but thats how Ariel puts it in a nutshell.
― oscar, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
ariel pink otm
― samosa gibreel, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
kind of surprised to see people saying that song is good vibes
Round and Round IS good vibes
dudes trying to turn this into Pitchfork thread #457647981398645 is bad vibes
― dmr, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
HOLD ON I'm callin, callin BAAAACK has been stuck in my head all day.
IMO R&R is the only track that really gains from the hi-fi production. More than a couple of these would be better lo-fi because you expend effort trying to pick out and hear the hooks, leaving less room for analyzing how good the hook itself is. More transparency isn't good when a passage is too simple or on the weak side compositionally. But maybe that's just me.
― skip, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Think autistic kids covering Brian Wilson or Tom Waits singing a nursery rhyme or Shakespeare eating shit in an alley or Jesus giving birth to a pack of bear cubs."
― oscar, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gah, can't work out which early-'80s british pop singer the vocals on 'Bright Lit Blue Skies' remind me of... I'm thinking Nick Heyward but I'm sure there's someone else.
― Gavin in Leeds, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
^current favorite track cuz it's GORGEOUS in Missouri today.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
"IMO R&R is the only track that really gains from the hi-fi production. More than a couple of these would be better lo-fi because you expend effort trying to pick out and hear the hooks, leaving less room for analyzing how good the hook itself is. More transparency isn't good when a passage is too simple or on the weak side compositionally. But maybe that's just me."
I think "Butt House Blondies" and "Little Wig" are the glaring weak tracks on the album, and they both suffer from lack of hooks. But others like 'em, so maybe the hooks just aren't for me.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
IMO R&R is the only track that really gains from the hi-fi production
The production may be more hi-fi than his other albums, but it still sounds like it's stuck in some strange time warp. It's better fidelity but the tones of all the instruments, the synths, and the vocals are all very much in the same spirit as his old recordings.
Also I really like the new version of Beverly Kills.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 9 April 2010 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Pete Wylie?
― Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Friday, 9 April 2010 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
agree about "butt house blondies", its the weakest link. is anyone hearing grunge in that riff ?
― oscar, Friday, 9 April 2010 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm hearing some butthole surfers there
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 21:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
to me it sounds like what someone who didn't go to prom would want it to sound like as an adult looking back
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 9 April 2010 22:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can sort of hear it but that's not who I was thinking... Eh, It'll hit me eventually.
― Gavin in Leeds, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
you know its weird that in the this huge thread there's just one Todd Rundgren mention. because thats always the big thing that pops out for me. worn copy, which i love by the way, sounds to me basically like a re-do of A Wizard, A True Star.
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
i thought of Rundgren too! just didnt mention it..
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
i mean i agree with the LA thing; there's a creepy steely dan thing going on, some fleetwood mac bits, but far more Rundgren. but saying that i haven't heard the new one so things may have changed.
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's still Rundgren (wizard), even more than before
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Savagely disappointed that he wasn't in fact singing 'and we'll dance to Limahl'
― Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Friday, 9 April 2010 22:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
― sonnyboy, Monday, December 8, 2008 9:45 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
like not blowing my own Trumbone but for me it's been Rundgren all along and who should of produced the album...on first impressions slightly dissapointing...hasn't got that weird/hooky thing going on...not sure having a band has really helped things and not sure I'm gonna be able to convert the Catholics who don't get it but it's early days...certainly nothing approaching a 'Trepanated Earth' or 'For Kate I Wait' on there...
― sonnyboy, Saturday, 10 April 2010 00:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
with all the cure talk, surprised no one has remarked some of the similarities b/t fright night and a forest
― anza, Saturday, 10 April 2010 02:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Mark, Saturday, 10 April 2010 03:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
The chorus of "Round and Round" sounds like "#9 Dream" by John Lennon to me.
― Maltodextrin, Saturday, 10 April 2010 05:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Listened to it five times yesterday. Prettay, pretttay great isn't it.
― Dwight Yorke, Saturday, 10 April 2010 08:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Sentimental, heartbreaking, everything is my fault"
Is this quoting a song? I swear it's quoting something but a lyrics search hasn't turned up anything.
― Adam Bruneau, Saturday, 10 April 2010 16:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm sorry to revive this thread for no good reason beside saying again how great this record is - and it's getting even better as time goes by.
the sort of record i'm pretty sure i'll also get back to in the future
― Zeno, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
otm, this record sounds like it's been melted.
it's not the lyric but the melody that's quoted, i believe, came on here to see if anyone could figure it out
― tmi finney (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
god round and round is so awesome
― Davek (davek_00), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
beverly kills is my current favorite.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
Fright Night is my jam.
― teflon monkey, Thursday, 15 April 2010 04:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
right now it's like this:
Fright Night+Round And Round+Menopause Man = great
Bright Light+L'estat = very good
Beverly Kills+Revolution's+Can't Hear My Eyes+Butt-House = good
Instrumental Tracks = ok
― Zeno, Thursday, 15 April 2010 05:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh and Little Wig - very good
― Zeno, Thursday, 15 April 2010 05:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
Bass playing on Reminiscences is unreal.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 15 April 2010 05:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Beverly Kills chorus sounds like the chorus to Ago's "For You."
― Brooker T Buckingham, Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
Bass playing throughout is pretty awesome.
― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
no doubt
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
The sound of the album as a whole is something to cherish - very special,and done to perfection
― Zeno, Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
WOAH
"the bottom line is this: ariel pink sucks. DEAL
ariel has no talent, no emotions, he's just a carcass.he is not even human, he's anti-human as far as i am concerned.doesnt know how to write a song,ariel couldnt write a song if his life depended on it.he is just some hipster dude that does too much meth ( which confirms why he sucks ) .
i mean if you do meth and you are from la and pitchfork hates you must suck, right ?
i mean listen to that song. its gay. all he does is talk about this chick called kate that he used to be in love with.love, and chicks ?what a douche. love and all that crap, fuck ariel pink.
what ?! your phazey guitar and avant vocals do nothing for me ariel. you are a sham and u must realize that factDEAL.FUCKER.stop trying to use arthur lee/brian wilson melodies to entice me to buy your records bitch.you are so clueless.and stop talking about this ho called helen,we dont care !first you were all about kate, now helen !make up your mind ! you are such an incorrigibe whiny ass..
oh now, you are all about being smooth ariel, arent you ?i kind of respected you when you were just making shitty songs about helen and kate with your gay ass 4 track but now that you are working with michael jacksons old producer, your dick feels bigger, doesnt it ?guess what ? u still SUCK
sure, your new track is OK, it kind of feels like a song i should have heard at prom but i didnt.either way, you are a bitch. you know why ? because now people who never liked you before are going to talk about you all day and that shit gets mad annoying yo. plus, you arent even that great, you are just an internet meme that lazy critics with no SOUL, no HEART, no LIFE will jump on, because thats all they have left. the dregs of an alienated, existentially vacant cadaver."
― oscar, Sunday, 18 April 2010 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't think he actually post here so do you like, want me to give him the message or what?
― dynamicinterface, Sunday, 18 April 2010 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
it has quote marks, so I'm guessing whoever wrote it won't get your message either. i lol'd at the rant though.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Sunday, 18 April 2010 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
Maybe oscar can get a job blogging for the altreport.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 18 April 2010 23:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
― max, Tuesday, April 6, 2010 7:26 PM (2 weeks ago)
^^
― am0n, Friday, 23 April 2010 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
did you know that Bright Lit Blue Skies is a cover? :
― Zeno, Sunday, 25 April 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
I did not know that.
― Trip Maker, Sunday, 25 April 2010 19:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Anyone else thinks he is influenced by Alan Parsons Project? Was listening to 'eye in the sky' the other day on the supermarket and thought it sounded incredibly similar to Ariel Pink:
― Moka, Sunday, 25 April 2010 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Sheer magic.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 25 April 2010 23:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
whos goin to this tonight
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
this entire album is awesome
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah to me it sounds like a cross between alan parsons and gary wilson
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol I see a bunch of people upthread said the same thing
Well, former Ariel Pink sideman Gary War covers Eye In The Sky on his first album... it all comes together!
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
from an interview with Ariel Pink:
What other musicians or artists are you excited about right now?
not complete by any means.....wendy carlosthe ROHA BANDgetachew H/mariamvahag sakadjianyeshimebet dubalemahmoud ahmedkennedy mengeshagirma teferakuku sebesbegetachew kassaalameyehu eshetethe Wallias bandgeneva jacuzzirichard rossjohn mausconcrete rubber bandpopol vuholivier messianjulia holtermsr song poems (rodd keith)icy spicy leonciegary warcoLfancy space peoplecrooked cowboyharry merrynite jewelblack blackclang quartetsyrinxpeter thomas orchestrafreddy kthe germsthe cardiacsgirlssecret circuitbig businessrsmcleaners from venusarthur brownjames brown and the jb's just to name a few....
http://www.tragicallyhipster.com/2008/09/interview-ariel-pink-of-haunted.html
lots of ethiopian music here..
― Zeno, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
Heh! Leoncie!
<3 Leoncie - 'Killer In The Park'
― craigboney (Mister Craig), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
yes ok wow this whole album is fantastic.
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 15:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
artists i like being able to list enormous lists of artists i have never heard of is a good sign imo
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
i really liked that list until it made me remember that ariel is associated with girls (blecch!)
has anyone else noticed that the rhythm on "round and round" kinda sounds like a slowed down "broken english"?
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
sounds like beck
― Matt P, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
*thumbs down*
― Matt P, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Listening to Ariel Pink for the first time. Sorry, but do people seriously listen to this stuff and enjoy it?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
he's no wilco
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
no i don't seriously listen to this stuff and enjoy it i just said that i did
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
Damn! I've been pretending to listen to and enjoy his stuff for years so I could act cooler than anyone who hadn't heard him, but now that he's on 4AD my cover's blown!!
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ilxor, perhaps you should attempt ingesting some chemical substance before listening.
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Eh... I'll pass, those days are long gone for me.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
ILX Poster Known As Ilxor, are you OK? somebody really seems to have shat in your FroYo this morning.
― brad whitford's impotent rage (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hi dere I am doing great!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
he's no wilco― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:58 AM
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:58 AM
^ this dude knows what's up
― ksh, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok, just checkin
I have loved ariel pink records since 2004, have only heard a little of the new one but expect to probably like it pretty well too
― brad whitford's impotent rage (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
but I mean...if you're actually curious about music that's clearly, audibly strange & different, you might wait until you have listened several times before arriving at your opinion, instead of posting during your first listen
free country obv., just a thought tho
― brad whitford's impotent rage (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
isn't Ariel Pink a hauntologizer? O_O
― ksh, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
he was just being a prick xp the new albumn is not that audibly strange and different.
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
This is the kind of album you will love if you think 80s pop coulda used more 70s soul production.
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
u realize yr in an thread devoted to ariel pink where you can confirm that people claim to enjoy it not yr fuckin livejournal
― hobbes, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
the man is a genius, the new record is brilliant, and like VU and The Stooges in the past, most people who don't realize it now - will realize it in the future.or maybe they won't.
― Zeno, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
decent interviewhttp://www.factmag.com/2010/04/26/ariel-pink-russian-roulette/
― mizzell, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
What the hell is "hauntology"?
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
ghostbox.co.uk
― hobbes, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is the writer referring to this?
Hauntology is an idea within the philosophy of history introduced by Jacques Derrida in his 1993 work Spectres of Marx. The word, a portmanteau of haunt and ology, and a near-homophone to ontology in Derrida's native French, deals with "the paradoxical state of the spectre, which is neither being nor non-being", according to a professor at RMIT University.[1]The idea suggests that the present exists only with respect to the past, and that society after the end of history will begin to orient itself towards ideas and aesthetics that are thought of as rustic, bizarre or "old-timey"; that is, towards the "ghost" of the past. In this, it is has some similarity with the cyberpunk literary movement. Derrida holds that because of this intellectual realignment, the end of history will be unsatisfactory and untenable.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauntology
The idea suggests that the present exists only with respect to the past, and that society after the end of history will begin to orient itself towards ideas and aesthetics that are thought of as rustic, bizarre or "old-timey"; that is, towards the "ghost" of the past. In this, it is has some similarity with the cyberpunk literary movement. Derrida holds that because of this intellectual realignment, the end of history will be unsatisfactory and untenable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauntology
Not so sure I buy this. Pink's records are retro (looking back 30+ years or so) but not really any more than anybody else in the history of pop music. I mean the British psychedelic 60s were all Victorian/vaudevillian. And they used harpsichords for Christ's sake!
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
By 'by this' I mean "Ariel Pink was also central to hauntology (it’s now often forgotten that much of the initial discussion of hauntology was prompted by Pink’s records)"
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Still, great article.
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's a real fancy description for steampunk isn't it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
in music crit, hauntology concerns the ways in which recording technology can produce a haunted or nostalgic quality. originally related mostly to dub (right?) the ghosts of an original recording drifting through a new mix, evoking dislocation and disassociation.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.4ad.com/sessions/
― mizzell, Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
i've decided "can't hear my eyes" is pretty much as good as "round and round"
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 13 May 2010 17:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
I like the Mexican Summer version of that one better than the 4AD version but probably just because of familiarity after I played that 7" so many times
― dmr, Thursday, 13 May 2010 18:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
high quality rip of this album leaked... sounds much much better than the previous version.
― akaky akakievich, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
I've always been put off by the Alan Parsons Project, mainly because of the name. But I'm intrigued by the comparisons between the APP and this. What's a good place to start with Mr. Parsons?
― Position Position, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
I Robot
― dmr, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
Eye in the Sky is one of the greatest songs ever, and the album is pretty good too.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Eye in the Sky is probably more Ariel Pink-ish too. I Robot is more electronic (but a better album, imo)
― dmr, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, if you're put off by the name Alan Parsons Project, I'm guessing you're not big into prog, so the later albums are the way to go.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 19:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
regarding APP i'd go with a greatest hits, but "i robot" and "eye in the sky" are pretty sweet albums... my favorite song of theirs is "TIME" though.
― akaky akakievich, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 16:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/14324-before-today/
9.0
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
2004 has arrived -- we are all down w/ hauntology now
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/12909-grandes-exitos/ - 7.0http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/10966-scared-famous/ - 6.1http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/6555-house-arrest/ - 6.2http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/6554-worn-copy/ - 5.9http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/6553-the-doldrums/ - 5.0
"There's no way this Hollywood hillbilly called Ariel Pink knows who Stephen Merritt is"
― gorilla vs burrr (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 7 June 2010 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
for some reason i thought that ariel pink was related to the rapper who calls himself black nasty, whose music i don't like at all. and for that -- i suppose irrational -- reason, i've stayed away from ariel pink's music. now i wonder if i had ariel pink confused with someone else.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 7 June 2010 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Any Ariel Pink fans wanna weigh in and say whether this is really his best record or not? I've only heard sections of one of his earlier records but it didn't grab me enough to make me listen to the whole thing.
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
im going to see him at the scala next weekquite excited actuallydont know every single song of his but i did love worn copy and the doldrumshope hes better than some of the reviews on ilx suggest.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 7 June 2010 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's up there with the best of his work, for sure. May be my favorite, it's certainly the one I've been listening to the most lately.Worn Copy may be my sentimental fave.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
credit might be my most favourite song of his.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 7 June 2010 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, June 7, 2010 11:41 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you are probably thinking of black nasty's sister, pink nasty.
― mizzell, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, that jogs my memory. thanks.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 7 June 2010 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
ariel pink appears on Mayonnaise Pen, a track on Black Nasty's Shark Tank album.
― Palpatean Mists (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 7 June 2010 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Its great but the disparity between the p4k ratings for (to pick one of my faves) Worn Copy and the new one is pretty crazy.
― Jamie_ATP, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
again, based on the (possibly misleading) soundscan sample, the vocal harmonies on the chorus of bright lit blue skies is precisely the kind of big, sweeping epic chorus i remember fondly from the 80s.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 7 June 2010 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
bright lit blue skies is magnificent.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Which is to say the new one should have a lower rating, amirite?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'll be fuckin livid if there's a huge disparity between Cokemachineglow's review of his first record and the new one
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd give Worn Copy an 8.5ish. New one a 7.9ish.
― Jamie_ATP, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Worn Copy's more of a 8.52 imo
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
House Arrest and the Doldrums are still where it's at.
― Fetchboy, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
Bright Lit Blue Skies is a cover of a song by the Rockin Ramrods circa 1966.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
<3 mark richardson
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
This is definitely not his best album. But it is good. The tracks are shorter, more confined and in a way this is not necessarily a good thing. I do like Butthouse Blondies a lot though.
― village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 7 June 2010 23:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Worn Copy is my fave. I should listen to his other stuff more, but it's all really hotchpotch. Even Worn Copy which I adore I rarely make all the way through. It becomes kind of exhausting.
― village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 7 June 2010 23:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
couldn't disagree more, worn copy, doldrums, house arrest, and lover boy = all killer no filler
― hobbes, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
well ok 90% killer maybe 10% filler
― hobbes, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Reposting Zeno's YouTube:
― skip, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
― gorilla vs burrr (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, June 7, 2010 3:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I was hoping for a repudiation, or at least a reassessment, of this long history of trashing Ariel Pink albums. Instead, we get a list of supposed improvements in performance/production and a glib "It turns out that these details make a big difference". What a copout.
― skip, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
idg all the yapping this morning about the disparity between before todays score and previous albums, i mean he addresses it in the review (for basically its entirety), and even admits that there's been a reevaluation of his oeuvre.
i think the review and score are a bit overblown, for some reason this album just doesn't feel huge to me, and i feel like great pop albums should be huge. good songs, though, and i wouldn't want to discourage anyone from getting super excited about it. glad that probably thousands more people will hear it now, too.
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp skip - the review is pretty obviously intended for people who have never heard (of) ariel pink before, though. and i think the little differences adding up to something greater than the sum of their parts is true, if not *revelatory*. a talented nut who got his shit together, i don't know, music isn't always that much more complicated than just that.
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just heard "Round and Round." Damn -- amazing.
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Dear Pitchfork: you ain't talking your ass out of this.(Just watched Pulp Fiction again)
― B'wana Beast, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 01:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dunno its like fair enough, pink has always been awesome but it really wouldn't have made sense for pitchfork to be into him back in like 2005 so like
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 01:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
wait, why not?
― underwater, please (bear, bear, bear), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
9. POINT. 0.
MUST. DOWNLOAD. DISC. IMMEDIATELY.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Daniel has never been the same since Lala's demise
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
i welcome it
it's true it's true. i am heartbroken.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
actually i love bright lit blue skies song so much, i am downloading the disc tonight.
Besides an admittedly nice hook, I'm not sure what is so incredible about "Round and Round." What about it are fans attracted to? (As easy as that question is to be read with an angry, rhetorical tone, it is actually an innocently curious question. I like hearing about what makes music work for people)
― Evan, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
It gives me hope
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
it make me happy. seriously.
are there a bunch of 70s pop/rock songs sampled in that track? it feels like it.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
the value you mortals place on your happiness astounds me!
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think part of what is appealing about Ariel Pink has something to do with this DFW-esque idea of burrowing into self-awareness and irony until you come back around to sincerity. i guess he's always appropriated soft rock and new wave of the 70's and 80's, but up until now it was filtered through a layer of lo-fi noise and weird song structure that allowed it to be received with a sense of ironic distance. but now that it is actually well-produced and he has a band he comes across more as actually just really loving this particular sound and wanting it to be as effective as possible. it's perhaps only updated in the sense of having the perspective of history and a wider scope of influence, e.g. ethiopiques, etc. but i think a lot of people project a certain innocence and naivety and therefore maybe freedom onto unselfconscious soft rock pop of the past, so its appealing to see the trajectory of a guy working through the lo-fi bedroom sound to the point where he can afford to produce an actual soft rock album without the indie-ness (and maybe the implied self-wareness/self-deprecation) of lo-fi production.
speaking of a move from lo-fi production to a cleaner sound, there are certain sections of songs that remind me of Pavement, which might also have to do with the sound of his falsetto.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
not that lo-fi production isn't appealing it its own right. and there is obviously a component of Ariel Pink's sound that is just straight up weird and fractured unlike most soft rock of the 80's.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ariels, in the skyWhen you lose small mindYou free your life
Life is a waterfallWe drink from the riverThen we turn around and put up our walls
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
i have yet to identify the ethiopiques similarities, but maybe because i'm so pleasently surprised by all the 70s/80s pop sounds i'm hearing baked into these songs.
two of these tracks are already among my favorits pop songs of the year. and something on here i haven't focused on yet sounded like the alan parsons project?
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost LOOOOL i've been trying to do a display name out of that all day
― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
nabisco pointed out on another thread that "reminiscences" is a cover of an ethiopian song off a compilation that he helped compile.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
― hobbes, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
― hobbes, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Why does Pitchfork need to reconcile this review with their reviews of other Ariel Pink albums, written by other critics at other times?
― jaymc, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
because p-fork is an institution and the readers demand critical consistency ;) how many other music message board threads do you see dedicated to online music review sites besides p-fork ?
― oscar, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 04:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost LOOOOL i've been trying to do a display name out of that all day― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, June 7, 2010 11:25 PM (Yesterday)
― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, June 7, 2010 11:25 PM (Yesterday)
hahaha
― I DRINK MY! I DRINK MY! I DRINK MY COOOOOOOKKKKEEEEE! (ksh), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 05:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
You know that thread about bandnames that you instinctively dismiss... also that album cover with the fox kiss is repulsive imo, too soon for furrie irony i guess? seeing all the love he is getting here i will give it a shot, I like some of the youtubes upthread, though i really can't get by the wobbly tape fx on some.
― dsb, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 05:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
I agree with some karl's post that some of the appeal of Ariel Pink's music is the "burrowing into self-awareness and irony until you come back around to sincerity."
I also agree that difference between his previous records and this has something to do with indie lo-fi production. Elements of the lo-fi production and weird song structure are still there on this new record, though. As someone mentioned above, the music still sounds "melted", and the production (maybe with the exception of Round and Round) still doesn't read as particularly high-value, at least not on good speakers.
I disagree, however, about the effect of the changes in his music, at least for me. While listening to songs of the previous incarnation, the underwater production and muffled lyrics made it feel possible for me to ignore the ironic distance and imagine the innocence and naivety and unselfconscouness of the music itself. I could project my own feelings/memories/fantasies onto it. With this newest record, with him working this particular sound to make it as effective as possible, he seems more of a japester, and the irony and thinness of the recording are more jarring. It's a little offputting to me.
As jokey as his song concepts and some of the lyrics are, I appreciate the ambiguity of the music and the slightly dark lyrics, so he hasn't completely lost me. The complex structure of the songs is fantastic.
To respond to Evan, Round and Round has a great chorus, yes, but I love how I'm never quite sure when it's going to come again, and the way he alters the instrumentation that accompanies it each time, ending with the bass dropped out for a good chunk. In addition, that one song (like several others) has so many components, interludes, and false starts that it takes a lot of listening to absorb. I wish he would evolve further on the sound of that song.
― Dan S, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 05:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
it sounds like he's not as lonely anymore, which is nice for him.
― no fear, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 06:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
the intensity of feeling that comes from loneliness is tempered though
― no fear, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 06:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
and something on here i haven't focused on yet sounded like the alan parsons project?― Daniel, Esq.
― Daniel, Esq.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 06:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
i basically never get that DFW irony-coming-full-circle-to-sincerity thing from AP. though i accept that his enthusiasm for cheezy 70s/80s pop is legit, there's always this massive sense of ironic distance, and it has nothing to do with how clean or dirty the sound is. that's not a complaint on any level, as i genuinely love a lot of what he's done so far, and the new record is great, easily his best yet. his stuff is funny and smart, the tunes are often quite strong, and sincerity seems overrated in the 1st place.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 07:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
could you please define where the ironic distance is? if it's not from the music, what is it from?
― no fear, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 08:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
I agree with Contenderizer. He's always loved soft-rock, blue eyed soul etc and the lo-fi sound was simply down to technical limitations. It's others that have projected the ironic distance on to it, as if they can only listen to this off-limits music if it's filtered through lo-fi haze. One of the things Ariel Pink - and people like Gary War, James Ferraro and Daniel Lopatin - nails is the sheer oddness of so much soft-rock and early 80s MTV fodder. You've got all these prog journeymen like Alan Parsons trying to make pop songs, while retaining some of their proggy interest in texture, extended song structure etc. Add in brand spanking new digital technology that they haven't quite got the hang of yet and the result is some kind of avant-AOR. The demented humour in Ariel Pink's music shouldn't be mistaken for irony either.
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 09:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
well, that isn't quite what i meant. my point was that one can feel a sincere affection for something yet still remain ironically distanced from it in expressing that affection. lots of people do this with their guilty pleasures. i mean, i don't doubt the sincerity of AP's affection for the music he's referencing and creating, but his entire presentation (lyrics, attitude, persona, production) is extremely arch. and no one makes and releases records that sound like worn copy & the doldrums without wanting them to sound that way. it's a mistake to pretend that his aesthetics haven't been the product of real choices all along, especially given how central they are to his artistic identity. after all, it's not like he's suddenly stripped away all the "melted" noise to reveal the pure pop underneath. the sound is still pretty bleary and warped.
my point was that AP's positioning relative to his inspirations strongly reminds me of the "ironic" embrace of sludgy 70s rock that emerged among post-hc bands in the 80s. the superficial sarcasm and irony = a defense mechanism cloaking and permitting the expression of a deeper, unironic affection. the distancing helps establish a context, admitting that this music is not of the now, and thus enhancing its otherness and nostalgic power.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's sort of like ducktails. there's nothing insincere or particularly ironic about mondanile's music, but calling your band "ducktails" tends to put an box around everything you do. it's a way of saying, "look, i'm a giant dork. i not only grew up loving this dorky awesome crap, i still love it enough to name my band after it. and i know that you're a giant dork, too, and that you loved and still love the same shit, so you should totally join my gang."
ariel pink's doing something similarly self-effacing, but in a way that's fully integrated with the music he makes. it's proud, but very aware of its geekiness - sincere in its love, but preemptively obfuscatory about where it's really coming from.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ok, I see your point about defence mechanisms. I don't really believe in guilty pleasures - I don't really care about what's cool anymore - but I suppose when I do share my love of, say, Yes or McCartney II with others, I do tend to point to the charming oddness of the music, as well as its melodic qualities. It's not defensive as such. I think with a lot of soft-rock, prog and blue eyed soul there's a certain transgressive thrill in embracing its sheer glutinous, oversaturated glory, particularly if you've come from a hairshirt wearing indie background where such things are frowned on.You're quite right about wanting the records to sound that way - I was only really referring to the lo-fi recording quality, not the overall sound. One of the best things about the new album is that all the flange, phase, reverb and echo effects that gave the early albums that wonderful melted quality are still there. It's just the tape hiss that's missing.
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 11:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's pretty catchy, but just not as warped. There's no equivalent to "MANKIND IS A NAZI" 10 minute freakouts or "Life In LA" languishing or "Credit" boomboxery or "Drummer" hypnosis. It's really just good inventive pop.
― village idiot (dog latin), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
What do you all think of this music video I'm working on for "Round and Round"? I'm thinking that I need to get rid of a bunch of the cheesy effects and maybe tighten up some edits but otherwise I'm pretty happy with it. Constructive criticism would be awesome:
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Sunday, 13 June 2010 19:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
that is very apt, feels very right for the end of my weekend. some suitably hypnotic synchronizing, the effects feel right at points and a little arbitrary at others. but I think this is correct.
― ogmor, Sunday, 13 June 2010 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
some moments of that video are so deeply hilarious. i don't like the effect at 1:21 but i'm all about the one that immediately precedes it. great job, dude.
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Sunday, 13 June 2010 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
Great vid. As with Samosa, I'm not into the 1.21 effect but could see more of the one you use before it, with the blurring circles and the eighties effect at 0.34 is sweet. I'm no expert but the best bits to me are when the lyrics match the vid - i.e. answering the phone and the click of the camera starting the beat; could do with more matching of the dance sequences to the music tempo? I dunno. I'll watch again, the footage is from Perfect right?
― mmmm, Sunday, 13 June 2010 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
The moments where the actors gaze just past the camera are great; 0.26, 0.28 and 2.10 etc..
― mmmm, Sunday, 13 June 2010 23:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, it's all from "Perfect."
I hate the effect at 1:21 but don't really know what else to do with it. That segment was really a struggle in general.
Thanks for the advice, y'all! Maybe I can do some fine tuning...
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 14 June 2010 02:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
really love this, great little pop album
― ciderpress, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
1:21 is the worst part of the song, too.
― Evan, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
The little "break down" part seems kind of lazy to me too. I really like the hook though!
― Evan, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Its not often ILM threads convince me to check bands out (no offence to anyone intended) but something had me intrigued here, and so I got a copy of "Before Today" and I'm loving it! I dont even know WHY! Its so... what is this?
― property-disrespecting Moroccan handjob (Trayce), Monday, 14 June 2010 03:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
I got rid of the effect at 1:21 and also another one later on based on the advice. There is so much I could do but laziness is setting in and crippling me. Anyway, the version upthread is disabled, so here's the working one for future comers:
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 14 June 2010 06:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Round and Round" sounds like "Fergus Sings the Blues" by Deacon Blue. After such knowledge, what forgiveness?
― Neil Willett, Monday, 14 June 2010 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
can't believe that movie was made in 1985. looks very '70s
great video! especially like the headshaking and pixellation moments
the chorus of round and round sounds a little like fergus sings the blues, maybe
― Dan S, Monday, 14 June 2010 21:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Round and Round" sounds like "Fergus Sings the Blues" by Deacon Blue. After such knowledge, what forgiveness?"
I dont hear it.
― oscar, Monday, 14 June 2010 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
The bit where Ricky Ross sings "`Cause I look In the mirror" etc etc leading up to the question "can this white man sing the blues"
Is the tell-tale heart buried beneath the surface of "Round and Round"
― Neil Willett, Monday, 14 June 2010 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think Fright Night is the best song on the album. I would be interested to hear the Before Today demos if there are any. I thought the prereleased "Can't Hear My Eyes" was better than the version that made it onto the album. There are also a couple songs here that were on Oddities and Sodomies in a rougher, more Ariel Pink form.
― PublicRadio, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
Damn, that Jamie Lee was a looker in the day!
― henry s, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's hard to watch that clip and not do the dance moves in your seat. very well-timed.
― Armand Van Helden Vocal Remix (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
Is it just me or has the music been slowed down a bit?
― skip, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Great job on the video BTW.
― skip, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I like the 80s new wavey sound of Fright Night. I like "Menopause Man" as well, even if the lyrics are a little disconcerting!
― property-disrespecting Moroccan handjob (Trayce), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't think so, but if so it was not intentional. Thanks for the kind words!
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
is perfect as awesome as it looks?
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
Everyone in the 80s was just way too enthusiastically cheesy and embarrassing.
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Perfect" is incredibly dull for long stretches, but has some good moments.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
The clothes and hairstyles have changed, but everything still is.
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
it looks kindof woozy and dreamy
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
I will join the others in proclaiming my love for your video. Very nice!
― henry s, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 02:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
hes kinda weird live. funny, but sort of like he was just fucking around for a good portion of it. also it seemed like 75% of the show was just one hard rocker after another, not much of the 'life in la' sort of stuff. he seemed to get a bit more serious when he did one song which i dunno, sounded like the doors or something, so for the 3 or so songs after that, it got a little more earnest, but then it ended (he did a few encores though). not sure if it was the scala or what, but i thought someone like him would have better sound, or try to go for a more distinct live setup. seemed a bit muddy overall.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 09:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
also he didnt do credit, which he could easily have done instead of yet another affectionately piss takey scuzzy rocker, so he loses points.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 10:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
He was absolutely brilliant in Glasgow. Set did tend to lean towards the faster, power-poppy stuff - Getting High In the Morning was awesome - but we did get For Kate I Wait. Hardcore Pops and Flashback for the encore: totally rockin' and hella catchy. He really seemed to be enjoying himself, but he definitely wasn't fucking around. A great frontman, with a great band. And no issues with the sound at all. It was really sharp and defined.
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
it could just be me being grumpy of course. anyway by fucking around i just mean he was kinda goofing around a bit. but i suppose thats just him.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Pink IS goofy. Listen to his songs, the silly voices, the high pitched parts, etc.!
Only time I ever saw him he did half his set with a local band (everywhere he went he met up with a local band who learned 3 or 4 tracks that day) and then half playing his 4-track and mixing the tracks live and singing along karaoke style to it. If the same band that's playing on the album is playing these shows I'd imagine it should be pretty rockin'!
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
This is the first Ariel Pink record I have listened to more than about 3 times, and the first I've actually bought. Listening tonight on a proper stereo it sounds wonderful. I like karl's thoughts above.
To join in - "Round and Round" reminds me immediately of blue eyed soul era Wet Wet Wet. Sweet little mystery indeed.
― kraudive, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
this album is my favourite album this year, along with janelle monaes. so many highpoints.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
so my first bit of investigation into his back catalogue led me to the My Molly EP in which he does a really spot on Morrissey impression on "This Night Has Opened My Eyes", pretty funny. i don't think i'll be returning to the EP much, though the songs are good; the extremely lo-fi recording quality just pricks my ears in a very unpleasant way.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 19 June 2010 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
i find it hard to listen to the old stuff now ive heard the new album.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 19 June 2010 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
saw Real Estate cover My Molly when I saw em live, highlight of the set
― dmr, Saturday, 19 June 2010 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
was watching lilys vids on youtube and saw this
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 19 June 2010 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
cccccccccrrrrrrrrrrreDIT.
― rethuglican (Spinspin Sugah), Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
you guys are making this sound awesome. i need to pick it up
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
it is kind of awesome, actually.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
has this been talked about on the thread?
― jaxon, Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah it has, i had no idea it was a cover either until someone upthread mentioned it.
― oscar, Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ariel Pink played with the Lilys. Huh!
― Evan, Sunday, 20 June 2010 04:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
wow i didnt know it was a cover either. pinks version of it reminds me of dinosaur jnr.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 20 June 2010 08:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
As predicted, MGMT's oddball album isn't exactly tearing up the charts-- it currently sits at number 166 on Billboard's Top 200, three spots behind Ariel Pink's Before Today. Weird times.
― mizzell, Monday, 21 June 2010 23:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
listened to the new one driving around today. its fucking tremendous.
― Michael B, Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Picked up the vinyl yesterday, sounds and looks great.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Butthouse Blondies and Little Wig finally made an impression. They work well together as one big epic imo.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
ARIEL PINK WITH ADDED PIZZAZZ (mp3 of first song on there)http://www.freedopeandfuckinginthestreets.com/add.html
― jaxon, Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, but it was released two months ago. It debuted at #2.
― jaymc, Thursday, 24 June 2010 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
'fright night' is my fave so far
― Michael B, Thursday, 24 June 2010 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
are his old albums getting reissued on vinyl by paw tracks? anyone know?
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
this
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
also, why arent his albums available on cassette? i think that would be perfect.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was in the process of taking music off my hard-drive today because I'm formatting it and I just discovered Ariel Pink with 'Worn Copy'. I like what I hear so far
― serious nonsense (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think this is one of his weakest albums and it will undoubtedly be the one for which he's most renowned.
Round and round sounds like it was probably awesome when he made it on his tape deck. Then he went in the studio and had to really deliberately do all the non-sequiteur production as though it was spontaneous.
I admired Ariel Pink precisely because he DIDN'T re-record his ideas. I hope the rest of the originals make their way onto subsequent cdrs l. Compare the old 'beverly kills' to this one and you'll hear why.
― PublicRadio, Friday, 25 June 2010 09:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think I'm inclined to agree with Public Radio. I think a lot of the appeal behind Ariel was his highly idiosyncratic spontenaity (jesus how do I spell that again?), which you really can't quite replicate in a studio with a full band. Still, it's a nice collection of songs and I'm glad people like it.
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 25 June 2010 10:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
I definitely agree with PublicRadio. "Worn Copy" is way much better, funny and exciting.
― abbysmyname, Friday, 25 June 2010 12:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
ive only heard 'the doldrums' before and despite the odd gem ('strange fires'), i found the constant murkiness a bit trying. i enjoy this one a lot more tbh.
― Michael B, Friday, 25 June 2010 12:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dig what he was trying to do on that record but found myself trying to like it more than i actually did.
― Michael B, Friday, 25 June 2010 12:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i'm with michael b. i dig the worn (but perversely spontaneous) quality of the older recordings, but I LOVE finally hearing the songs set free of those constraints. cuz they're really, really good songs, and they reward the care & attention.
― contenderizer, Friday, 25 June 2010 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
totally agree w/that-- i love 'the doldrums' and don't mind its murky sonics and appreciate the tossed-off accidental magic of much of it, but he's too talented of a songwriter to have all of his musical ideas forever submerged in the lofi. he's got so many songs such "as every night i die at miyagis" or "alisa" that are just pure pop brilliance (the genuine article; i'm not just idly spitting cliche here) such that they deserve to see the light of day with fuller production, arrangements, etc.
― dell (del), Friday, 25 June 2010 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think Worn Copy - probably his best record - could be even better with a hi-fi production like Before Today.
― Zeno, Friday, 25 June 2010 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
The pre 'Before Today' stuff works much better in a iPod shuffle situation I.e the odd track every now and then that makes you go WTF rather than listening to the whole album which begins to grate sonically after awhile...new album gets better with each listen though...
― sonnyboy, Friday, 25 June 2010 15:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
"I think this is one of his weakest albums and it will undoubtedly be the one for which he's most renowned.
Round and round sounds like it was probably awesome when he made it on his tape deck. Then he went in the studio and had to really deliberately do all the non-sequiteur production as though it was spontaneous."
this is the kneejerk reaction id expect to have. but the album is too good (and still retains all his ariel-isms, and reveals a load more) to really qualify for that kind of criticism. hearing him without all the murk and muck just makes you realise that theres plenty there to still retain the more mysterious qualities of his old material without shrouding it in tons of hiss.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 25 June 2010 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
hes kinda rare in that he translates perfectly to both lo fi and hi fi. and if you dont like the latter, luckily theres a ton of songs in the old style to listen to.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 25 June 2010 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
this mix he did is pretty great. a bunch of outsider pop that sounds like what he's doing. lots of worldy stuff. http://www.factmag.com/2010/05/24/fact-mix-152-ariel-pinks-haunted-graffiti/
― jaxon, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
that ariel mix is rad. here's another one he did that is just as good. so many gems i havent heard before. http://www.thetripwire.com/listen/2010/05/17/hear-ariel-pink-on-viva-radio/
― oscar, Friday, 2 July 2010 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
any reports on his live show ?
― oscar, Saturday, 10 July 2010 05:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
found this live session in HIGH QUALITY sound and its great. if they sound half as good tonight, ill be happy.
― oscar, Saturday, 10 July 2010 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm seein' him tonight too :Dlast time i saw him w/live band it was A+live "in studio" thing that was on pitchfork was also A+
― hobbes, Saturday, 10 July 2010 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
nuts! didn't realize he was playing tonight. i'm gonna be djing in berkeley :(
― jaxon, Saturday, 10 July 2010 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
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― oscar, Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:24 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark
I saw Haunted Graffiti last night at the Echoplex. I've seen Ariel play a few times, including one famous one at Tonic a half dozen years ago where he melted down completely with equipment problems and even R. Stevie Moore's presence wasn't enough to save the night. Now it's completely controlled, his band is made up of one dude from that Beachwood Sparks/Farmer Dave/Further crew and one dude from White Magic, and they play through the mumbles and hiccups and Ariel doesn't play guitar live anymore.
It was sold out, which is crazy for such a huge place as the Echoplex, and most of the people it seems had just discovered Pink. It was a very young crowd, which doesn't surprise me a lot, because he has a very young person sound (lo-fi), but weird nonetheless when you've been following a guy's career for 10 years.
― the who cares (okamax), Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
People were leaving in droves tonight.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Sunday, 11 July 2010 08:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
^yeah WEIRD crowd vibe. loved "hardcore pops are fun". show was way unhinged. he was acting so fucked before/during the first song, i was half predicting a meltdown of some kind.
― hobbes, Sunday, 11 July 2010 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
unhinged comparably to other ariel pink shows? or unhinged comparably to, say, a national show. because honestly, it's wayyyyyyy less unhinged now. i'd say it's downright hinged.
― the who cares (okamax), Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
enjoyed him at atp last year - i think this was in the first wave of playing tightened up with a band and so on - kind of wish i'd had some idea what he was like before that, for comparison
― thomp, Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
for instance
― the who cares (okamax), Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i mean unhinged compared to 2 years ago when he had a slightly different lineup. certainly less so than his one man shows, of course!
― hobbes, Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
by "unhinged" i guess i just mean more aggressive/dangerous sounding.
― hobbes, Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
This was my first time seeing him so I have nothing to compare it with, but everyone I was with thought it was a fiasco, and they'll all fans.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 12 July 2010 03:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
they're, rather
http://www.lifelounge.com/music/video/ariel-pink%27s-haunted-graffiti-%27bright-lit-blue-skies%27.aspx
This was linked to on my Twitter feed. You have to love these "scene" writers that automatically assume an album by someone they've never heard before must be the debut.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
i thought the band was good but was not into ariel's theatrics at all. his vocals frankly sucked. i would never see him again.
― oscar, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah me neither. love the albums but as a performer, hes a bit frustrating. even with a good band, i dont think he really puts them to great use cos hes the one leading them, and he just likes to fuck around!
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 11:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Some would considering this latest album his 'debut' because it is pretty much his first official proper studio album on a big label.
Some would considering you should be set on fire
― Psychic... Octopus... Another Mertesac (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
he said in an interview that people wants him to perform and thats why he does it, and he likes recording much better.wasnt the exact words but that was the main idea.
― Zeno, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
My buddy plays in his band.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 13:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
My buddy once touched Neve Campbell.
― gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
saw 'em last night, good show
one of the openers, puro instinct, was pretty great: http://vimeo.com/12987214 the recorded stuff doesn't do justice to their live sound
― OK (LOLK), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I was there last night too. Pretty entertaining. He knew to save the best for last with "For Kate I Wait."
― stingy, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought his live show this tour was great
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
― billstevejim, Thursday, 22 July 2010 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm stoked that Haunted Graffiti will be in my town this fall, chagrined I'll have to buy a ticket for the Flaming Lips to see them, though.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 22 July 2010 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Why aren't there more videos like "Mistaken Wedding?"
― billstevejim, Friday, 23 July 2010 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
From the "FF" album there's a song called "One More Time" sung by what sounds like 12-year-old Ariel Pink.. This is def my new favorite of his.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
totally i love that song! is that some random 12 year old singing or is it him or what? in either case it sure sounds like it was written by a 12 year old. if it's really something he made when he was a kid, it's funny to think how his recording techniques basically haven't changed at all (up til the new one at least).
― dynamicinterface, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 04:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
that is one of his most perfect compositions, maybe even my favorite. it also sounds like a duet...I hear two voices.
― 2+2 is 4 (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 12:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
holy shit
― jaxon, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
he looks like ben foster
― jaxon, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
wait, why are you posting him on the ariel pink thread?
― mizzell, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
sooo is the live show good? thinking about seeing him when he plays with os mutantes next month.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
live show is hit or miss due to tantrums but he was great when I saw him this time around
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
cool -- reunited os mutantes are supposed to be pretty solid live too, right?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol. ha. http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/altreport/2010/10/ariel-pink-crushes-it-acl.html
it's the guy from Girls.
― jaxon, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
all white people look alike to me
Ariel Pink killed it tonight in NYC; he smartly stuck with songs that translated well live (no Grey Sunset or uber snythy stuff). Os Mutantes were amazing.
― Spectrum, Sunday, 14 November 2010 05:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
both bands were great in Atlanta on Tuesday (Os Mutantes played a dope version of "Georgia On My Mind")
― (ಠ▃ಠ)o ((cloud)) (crüt), Sunday, 14 November 2010 05:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
― prior, Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
That is my favorite one! I have tears! He's absolutely right, that IS a hard song to pull off and they did it flawlessly. I kept waiting for a mistake or something awkward, but no.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Saturday, 19 March 2011 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 06:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
the boy Pink's done it again. wonderfully bonkers.
― Michael B, Friday, 30 September 2011 09:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm not sure about it tbh, listening to imitations of proggish wank isn't my idea of fun.
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Friday, 30 September 2011 13:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
i saved 2 disk and must have watched that vdo a dozen times.
― Sébastien, Monday, 10 October 2011 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Syd Barrett?
― nostormo, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 23:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol doesn't he melt down at like every show whatev
― river, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
The "Round and Round" video I made and posted in this thread has 135k views now, jeez.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 23:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think blue oyster cult invented ariel pink with this song, particularly the chorus
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
lovely tune
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
So I saw him for the first time last night opening for Pulp and that was...bemusing. I mean, I totally get what he's doing but that was definitely not his crowd (and he knew it, which is what made the canned applause that they played after every song more hilarious, especially when they started fucking around with reverb).
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Friends at the SF Pulp show really loathed Ariel. He was a hit with the Flaming Lips crowd.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
what about a new album?(i mean a proper album, not the esoteric shit he made with Stevie Moore)
― nostormo, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Listening to it now. It's not bad, but it's too hi-fi so he neems too naked on the record. Maybe we could get our hands on some demo versions of these new albums.
― 3×5, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 17:36 (9 months ago) Permalink
The last two comments back-to-back are pretty funny.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:11 (9 months ago) Permalink
This new stuff is great. I love his backup band on these studio records!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 August 2012 01:19 (9 months ago) Permalink
It's very stripped down arrangements and effects. It's alot more subtle than the older ones. It's not really as fun as the old ones, but they are cool songs.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 August 2012 01:31 (9 months ago) Permalink
I think the new album is musically pretty weak. With the last album, he compensated for the lack of lo-fi gauziness by writing good songs and having a punchy band, but this is a slick and lifeless studio record with half-arsed songs.The main problem though is the awful lyrics. All that moronic creepy bullshit he came out with in the Wire interview about beta male revenge runs through the album and the results are not pleasant. He seems to think he's being transgressive, engaging in acts of genderfucking, but he's just sleazy and wrongheaded. Transphobic lines about 'shemales' hardly help either.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Friday, 10 August 2012 13:37 (9 months ago) Permalink
Yeah....i may have to listen to it again later. I kind of phased out after song 3 or 4 and got distracted w something else. On first listen definitely not as cool as "Before Today".
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 August 2012 15:27 (9 months ago) Permalink
The main problem though is the awful lyrics. All that moronic creepy bullshit he came out with in the Wire interview about beta male revenge runs through the album and the results are not pleasant. He seems to think he's being transgressive, engaging in acts of genderfucking, but he's just sleazy and wrongheaded. Transphobic lines about 'shemales' hardly help either.
Weird. Kind of a further extension of "Menopause Man" then? That "castrate me, make me gay" lyric always bothered me.
― dmr, Friday, 10 August 2012 15:54 (9 months ago) Permalink
That line in Menopause Man made me lol when I first heard it.
I think the songs are tight on this release. I think it's poorly produced, though, and not in like before where it was intentional and for artistic effect.
I can really hear R. Stevie all over this release. I don't know if he had a hand in this record, but the songs sound like RSM songs -- so much so that I wonder if he wrote a handful of these. The lyrics sound just like RSM lyrics, too.
― 3×5, Friday, 10 August 2012 19:07 (9 months ago) Permalink
I like this dudes music. not all of it, but about 30%.
fame will destroy him though!
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Friday, 10 August 2012 19:18 (9 months ago) Permalink
fame already destroyed him
― nostormo, Friday, 10 August 2012 19:26 (9 months ago) Permalink
I'm listening to Schnitzel Boogie now. There's a little sketch about a minute into the song, and even his spoken delivery is in an R. Stevie style.
― 3×5, Friday, 10 August 2012 19:42 (9 months ago) Permalink
In case anyone missed the Wire interview, I quote: 'Beta males have got it figured out so that they don't even have to chase or rape their prey, so to speak'. Urgh, what a creep.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Saturday, 11 August 2012 11:32 (9 months ago) Permalink
dig the production on mature themes, and i like that a few of the songs recall 'menopause' man, mix and tone-wise. the "tried to be good, to be good, etc." song sticks in the head. ultra-blissed, even SAW II-like track 12 (nostradamus), and 13 is a summer-time-y treat
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 13 August 2012 01:07 (9 months ago) Permalink
if the songwriting is not good, nothing can save the record
― nostormo, Monday, 13 August 2012 13:12 (9 months ago) Permalink
I have no idea what I'm supposed to take away from this snippet. I guess I should read the entire interview.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 13 August 2012 13:20 (9 months ago) Permalink
He expounds this completely idiotic thesis about the ascent of the beta male. Now that the nerds have won, Ariel can get his revenge over alpha males and the women who wouldn't sleep with him. Revenge of the nerd stuff at its most vindictive, misanthropic and misogynistic. As a friend put it, 'Turns out, according to Ariel, you don't have to be a musclebound jock to be an asshole to women any more. It's a great time to be an asshole!' There are few ok songs on here, but nothing he hasn't done better in the past. And the R Stevie Moore homages are utterly charmless. His whole deliberately bored delivery is a real drag too.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 13 August 2012 17:39 (9 months ago) Permalink
cripes, that's a bummer, but not a shock ... ariel seems like an oddball, though was hoping for something less vicious. why not just think everyone's got there place in society and move on. ::[]
― Spectrum, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:55 (9 months ago) Permalink
whole thing is on NPR nowhttp://www.npr.org/2012/08/12/158442302/first-listen-ariel-pinks-haunted-graffiti-mature-themes
― dmr, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:09 (9 months ago) Permalink
Eight tracks into this and the single's been the only really good song.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:47 (9 months ago) Permalink
I like it, but I feel like he should be putting these kinds of records out once or twice a year on Paw Tracks. It doesn't feel like two years worth of work.
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:21 (9 months ago) Permalink
tbf, he spent a lot of that time figuring out how not to rape his prey
― contenderizer, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:25 (9 months ago) Permalink
he's still probably looking for a girl who puts up with his shit and puts out just like a little girl scout.
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:30 (9 months ago) Permalink
I mean chick
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:32 (9 months ago) Permalink
I feel like he should be putting these kinds of records out once or twice a year on Paw Tracks. It doesn't feel like two years worth of work.
kind of agree with this. it's not awful but ... not very good either. I doubt I'll buy it. I went ahead and just got the "Baby" single (which is great).
― dmr, Monday, 13 August 2012 22:09 (9 months ago) Permalink
I'd rather listen to the original tbh
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:13 (9 months ago) Permalink
yeah, i don't see the point of the cover. the orignal is awesome, as is the rest of the album it came from.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Monday, 13 August 2012 22:21 (9 months ago) Permalink
I wonder how much time he actually spent on this. Pink Slime must have been written fairly recently right?
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 22:22 (9 months ago) Permalink
You all realize musicians often have mood swings and may be under the influence of drugs or attention when taking an interview.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:53 (9 months ago) Permalink
Once you are popular and fashionable you are not a nerd.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:59 (9 months ago) Permalink
That's my point - he's the nerd who's become popular and with his new found sense of power all his seething resentment floods out. I'm sure Mr Pink is no stranger to the devil's dandruff, but the pish he comes out with the interview is backed up by lyrics on the album. Plus it's in the Wire, hardly known for its sensationalist approach.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 10:23 (9 months ago) Permalink
The album definitely picks up a bit towards the end but, no, I doubt I'll buy this. 'Schnitzel Boogie' followed by 'Symphony of the Nymph' is the low point.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:39 (9 months ago) Permalink
Symphony of the Nymph is the creepy nadir, plus it manages to rip off Kraftwerk and Telstar and still be shit.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:51 (9 months ago) Permalink
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:32 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
URGH. Total creep. I haven't read the interview in The Wire, but I did read a really dopey interview in Bomb and I was trying my best not to let affect my opinion of the music.
― America's Mobile, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:01 (9 months ago) Permalink
I'm really enjoying the record in spite of myself.
― America's Mobile, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:06 (9 months ago) Permalink
The one with Cass McCombs? Just looked this up. Good lord, bisexuals are castrated? Young people defining themselves as bi is 'a mutation'? This guy is a fucking moron.
AP It’s a good point, so the people that go to action are the kids. Therefore music is targeted to a youth audience. The youth are castrating themselves. Willingly. That political correctness thing. Everybody’s bi now. Have you noticed that?
CM Outside of San Francisco?
AP Everybody under 27 years old. Every girl I’ve ever met who’s under 27: bi. Call me old-fashioned. That did not happen in my generation. I find it very disturbing, frankly. The Millennials are what I’m talking about—they have no gender. Their gender is a biological imperative. It can’t be a choice, of course. They’re just born bi. Maybe it’s a mutation or something like that.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:09 (9 months ago) Permalink
i have no idea what he is getting at there. maybe its a joke? he's being ironic?
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:40 (9 months ago) Permalink
still doesn't make sense
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:41 (9 months ago) Permalink
He's just trying to get some transgressive millennial groupie action.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:58 (9 months ago) Permalink
i really love this record after 5 or 6 listens. was not super impressed after the first
― bluelips, Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:24 (9 months ago) Permalink
wtf
The Entertainment Law Digest has posted details of a lawsuit filed by former Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti drummer Aaron Sperske, who claims that he was illegally "squeezed out" of an "oral partnership" agreement established between the band members in 2008.Sperske alleges that he and the three remaining Haunted Graffiti members-- Pink (real name Ariel Rosenberg), Tim Koh, and Kenny Gilmore-- wrote the songs for the upcoming record Mature Themes together and that he's entitled to 25 percent ownership. He claims he's "entitled to profits from royalties and future shows," writes Entertainment Law Digest, and is seeking $1 million in punitive damages. (Cole M. Greif-Neill was originally part of the partnership as well, but "left the partnership of his own accord in 2010," according to Entertainment Law Digest.)According to the lawsuit, which was filed on August 12 in Los Angeles, Sperske was removed from the band in spite of performing "diligently and competently."
― mizzell, Friday, 17 August 2012 22:34 (9 months ago) Permalink
I agree with a lot of the sentiments expressed so far. I'd be willing to bet RSM wrote Symphony of the Nymph and dared AP to put it on the album. It's definitely the least charming thing Ariel's ever released.
I doubt Ariel Pink was ever a nerd. I remember the real nerds in high school. They had visible plaque in their teeth and sat by themselves at lunch, and were genuinely ostracized. There's a difference between feeling like a nerd in high school and actually being one, and adults should be able to look back and recognize the difference.
― 3×5, Saturday, 18 August 2012 19:32 (9 months ago) Permalink
Also Ariel's arrested development was kind of cute when he was 26, but at 33 it's kind of gross.
― 3×5, Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:11 (9 months ago) Permalink
this guy has always sucked </shakey mo>
― turtwig greenturty (Matt P), Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:34 (9 months ago) Permalink
Listened to this yesterday and liked it more than I expected. Definitely a return to his earlier work and very goofy throughout. I can understand why it isn't getting much love. It doesn't really measure up to the last one, but I think I'll still listen to it a bunch.
― Moodles, Saturday, 18 August 2012 21:08 (9 months ago) Permalink
Self-described Beverly Hills yuppie in saying dumb shit shockah
maybe he's just trying to compete with his homeboy john maus
fuck both of these guys with a doo-doo covered stick
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:19 (9 months ago) Permalink
love both of these guys and also doo-doo
― Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
Ariel Pink is actually my great-grand-nephew. I think he's done a fine job here; I like this almost as much as the Chess soundtrack, which happens to be the only other CD I have in the house, though I'm sure I must have bought some others at some point and then just mislaid them. Symphony of the Nymph is the standout track on the album (I mean Ariel's album; One Night in Bangkok is the standout on Chess) with its deft rhyming of "discotheque" and "bibliotheque", "Lothario" and "Ariel", "synth" and "nymph". It's hella catchy; when I sing it at my local bakery they give me free bagels. To go.
I can just imagine the video, with Ariel recreating Nijinsky's role (a sort of graceful brindled cow) in L'Apres Midi d'une Faune. But wait, Nijinsky played the faun in that! Lydia Nelidova was the nymph! Well, okay, Ariel would have to play Lydia's character. But considering his tirades against modern bisexuality in recent interviews, Ariel would find that role reversal really fucked up, and a bad example for the youth of America. Hmmm.
Here's what I suggest. Ariel plays a really butch lesbian bitch of a nymph, in the cow suit, with, you know, udders everywhere. Then some crass cisgendered rock chick groupie with pink hair comes along and milks him in this really suggestive way, with her mouth, in this disco-library-type milking stall, until out spurts... not milk, not spunk, but pure 1960s-grade alpha-methylphenethylamine. Some of it spills on the ground, and seven librarian sluts get down on their knees and snort it up. Then they strap on guitars and recreate Robert Palmer's Addicted To Love. But instead of Palmer, there's Ariel, still dressed as a cow, on the mic.
I'm going to email him right now and suggest this. He's still got about eight weeks before he hits the obsolescent scrapheap, so with a non-union crew it could just be possible.
― Grampsy, Sunday, 19 August 2012 05:50 (9 months ago) Permalink
What kind of fucking high brow trolling is this?
― Evan, Sunday, 19 August 2012 16:51 (9 months ago) Permalink
not his best work imo
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Sunday, 19 August 2012 18:14 (9 months ago) Permalink
high brow?
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Sunday, 19 August 2012 18:39 (9 months ago) Permalink
― 3×5, Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:32 PM (Yesterday)
i don't know whether ariel is real or faux nerd. either way, it does seem like he's competing with maus and adam from girls to be some new kind of "real (gross) nerd" icon.
― contenderizer, Sunday, 19 August 2012 18:49 (9 months ago) Permalink
Grampsy on chillwave thread = Lampsy
― some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 18:52 (9 months ago) Permalink
Um. I'm pretty sure John Maus has never been horrendously bi- and trans-phobic, and if you guys are comparing his comments on record shops to this shit, then you are fucking awful people.
― emil.y, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:12 (9 months ago) Permalink
"high brow"
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:32 (9 months ago) Permalink
tbf this is what grampsy's eyebrows look like
― some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:35 (9 months ago) Permalink
my favorite part of the wire interview is when AP suggests that maybe 6-7% of ppl in the world have heard of him.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:44 (9 months ago) Permalink
― emil.y, Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:12 PM (33 minutes ago)
well, as a happily self-confessed awful person, i'm comparing only the oddball affectations, not degree of evil or anything
― contenderizer, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:48 (9 months ago) Permalink
lol i wonder if Metallica has even reached that many people (xpost)
― some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:48 (9 months ago) Permalink
...but yeah, maus hasn't said anything anywhere near as repellent, afaik
― contenderizer, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:49 (9 months ago) Permalink
420 Million Ariel Pink Fans Can't Be Wrong
― wk, Sunday, 19 August 2012 21:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
Maus seems really tedious but I'm pretty sure Pink is just doing a Lou Reed / Bowie kind of schtick.
― wk, Sunday, 19 August 2012 21:48 (9 months ago) Permalink
It's a shame because when I first got into Ariel, I listened to an interview with him and I was impressed that he wasn't trying to be weird, and could speak eloquently about his music and what he was trying to do. It's a shame that he's turned into this. In this post reality show world where everyone's publicist coaches them to act outrageous, there's nothing offbeat about the way he behaves now.
― 3×5, Sunday, 19 August 2012 22:04 (9 months ago) Permalink
in recent interviews he's like "tee hee i'm single and ready to mingle" . couple of sentences later "shit, i was ready to have kids" aww
― Sébastien, Monday, 20 August 2012 12:47 (9 months ago) Permalink
Where is this devastating interview everyone keeps talking about? Link please?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 20 August 2012 15:15 (9 months ago) Permalink
it's in this issue of the Wire but I don't think they put this stuff up for free, you have to subscribe to access
http://www.thewire.co.uk/issues/342/
― dmr, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:18 (9 months ago) Permalink
How can anyone familiar with his catalogue take any opinions he voices in an interview seriously? That's like expecting coherence from an interview with Animal from the muppets.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:24 (9 months ago) Permalink
no kidding. The album was surprisingly good given the negative comments here. some off tracks but all of his albums have off tracks.
― skip, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:28 (9 months ago) Permalink
I don't care if he personally means the awful things that he says, he is perpetuating a harmful discourse and for that he deserves to be held accountable.
― emil.y, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:36 (9 months ago) Permalink
Oh.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 20 August 2012 17:32 (9 months ago) Permalink
At one point he sang "The human race is a nazi" you know
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 20 August 2012 18:47 (9 months ago) Permalink
he also feasts on placentas iirc
― wk, Monday, 20 August 2012 18:59 (9 months ago) Permalink
i hear the percussion on the new album is made up of the sounds of him shitting on kittens
― Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 11:01 (9 months ago) Permalink
Still trying to sort out my feelings about the new one. I dunno whether my attention is too split or what or if the sonics are too flattened or whatever, but it barely registers to me when I play it beyond. Maybe I need to sequester myself in a dark room with this thing, with no distractions. Adult life is some bullshit.
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 23 August 2012 11:12 (9 months ago) Permalink
wait, this record rules
― wk, Friday, 31 August 2012 23:56 (8 months ago) Permalink
I just realized
yeah it does
― Mordy, Saturday, 1 September 2012 00:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I'm liking it. Don't know what everyone's complaining about.
― Moodles, Saturday, 1 September 2012 00:17 (8 months ago) Permalink
This is good stuff, I like it way better than his last album... the single posted earlier in the thread almost put me off, but I'm glad I checked it out.
― Spectrum, Saturday, 1 September 2012 01:26 (8 months ago) Permalink
'Kinski Assassin' sounds like he's ripping the piss out of John Maus
― Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 1 September 2012 09:47 (8 months ago) Permalink
had a bit of a magnetic fields sound to me
― Mordy, Saturday, 1 September 2012 14:11 (8 months ago) Permalink
so is that dam funk singing the opening verse to "baby" ? if so, he's got a great voice. Or is it sampled from the original song? what the hell.
album is great.. lots of variety. i find a lot of it stuck in my head
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:13 (8 months ago) Permalink
it's Dam-Funk singing
some of Mature Themes is growing on me, I have gone back to it a couple times
― dmr, Sunday, 2 September 2012 23:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
MATURE THEMES is his most consistent record so far imo. all the others, even before today, have been real hit or miss for me. ariel's arrested development is making him all achey and sadd
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 03:56 (8 months ago) Permalink
i wish he would get confronted on his bs tho, but effectively. someone should FAX him a concise and better informed summary of the good points in this thread. at best, what, he would change some lyrics live and 1 year and a half from now he would release a live album on an indie label that would actually be better than the official one in even more ways than it would have been: the band will know their songs better, will make them better than when they have recorded it and the lyrics could be.. he is not a poet, he is a shitrocker... so i do not have an idea for ideal replacement lyrics but not reactionary would be default better. peace , ariel. ps the internet is full of rumors about you! every self respecting fans that have seen you live 2 or 3 times have seen you running away from the stage screaming like a madman disappearing into the night! you will have to address that in the future at one point!
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:21 (8 months ago) Permalink
last 2 posts: rong
― wk, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:25 (8 months ago) Permalink
doldums still best, most consistent. ariel, don't change any lyrics.
― wk, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:26 (8 months ago) Permalink
wk: what, no good points were made in this thread about ... schizotypal personality shitrocker saying offending things in that one wired interview that i have not been able to pirate yet?
edit: i can hardly "get" any of those lyrics anyway. but i am still all right with being an unfaithful listener of music, it works for me.
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:31 (8 months ago) Permalink
no
― wk, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
tsss
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:49 (8 months ago) Permalink
tttch'k poooo'
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
p''tttsssshhhiewwwwwh
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
xpost i meant " tch'k po'k"
yeah that is more like it.
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
kinski assassin double agents in athens....this song really reminds me of the strawberry alarm clock w/o being an overt ripoff. at least ariel isn't generic
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 13:58 (8 months ago) Permalink
can't stop listening to this record
― spazzmatazz, Friday, 14 September 2012 16:36 (8 months ago) Permalink
fiiine, i'll check it out. liked the last one, but the lukewarm reaction to this one put me off.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 14 September 2012 17:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah this album rules
― Andrew Sandwich, Friday, 14 September 2012 23:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
it's kinda bad though
a lot of redeeming moments. par for the course.
― Andrew Sandwich, Friday, 14 September 2012 23:38 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah this album rules― Andrew Sandwich, Friday, September 14, 2012 7:29 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkit's kinda bad though― Andrew Sandwich, Friday, September 14, 2012 7:29 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Andrew Sandwich, Friday, September 14, 2012 7:29 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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this about sums up my relationship w/ariel pink
― gesange der yuengling (crüt), Saturday, 15 September 2012 00:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
Lol
― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 15 September 2012 03:19 (8 months ago) Permalink
anyone got a link to a scan of the WIRE interview? Or anyone want to scan it and share it?
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 17 September 2012 00:39 (8 months ago) Permalink
omigod some of this shit is a hybrid of Of Montreal and Guided By Voices.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 00:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
I found this http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v252/VMKLadyLazarus/Ariel%20Pink%20The%20Wire/
kind of small and the pages are backwards. I thought the interview was terrible and don't blame Pink for trolling this idiot who didn't hear the angst in an album called "The Doldrums" and actually heard it as "sunny." wtf
― wk, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 00:52 (8 months ago) Permalink
thank you!
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 03:48 (8 months ago) Permalink
Ok, so being a misogynistic, transphobic and biphobic asshole is just a clever strategy to troll a bad interviewer... I think the interviewer did hear the angst, which is perhaps why he lets him off the hook for all the nonsense he comes out with. The whole Columbine bit is pretty distasteful, but the 'beta male' section is just appalling. If that's Pink's idea of being a hilariously ironic troll then he's no better than morons who write for Vice.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 09:42 (8 months ago) Permalink
totally some Of Montreal in this
― Andrew Sandwich, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 12:43 (8 months ago) Permalink
ariel is trolling. who gives a fuck
― spazzmatazz, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:26 (8 months ago) Permalink
Trolls are assholes, much like biphobics, dude's always been a primo cunt, regardless of his music.
― Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:21 (8 months ago) Permalink
is the version of Baby on the album slightly different from the one on the 12"? seems like it.
― dmr, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 21:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm not sure there is a separate version of Baby? At least on the vinyl release, it's not actually on the LP, just a bonus track on the mp3 download.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 03:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
huh. maybe I'm wrong. I have the Baby 12" and listened to the album on spotify yesterday, Baby is the last track and sounded a little different to me. not that it matters really.
with the last album the version of Can't Hear My Eyes that Mexican Summer put out was different than the one on Before Today (slightly lower-fi, and better imo)
― dmr, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 16:53 (8 months ago) Permalink
ultimately I guess I like this record ok. some of the weirdo stuff (like Kinski Assassin and Is This The Spot? and Schnitzel Boogie) is getting stuck in my head pretty regularly. Symphony of the Nymph fucking sucks. Baby is good. The rest is kinda boring.
― dmr, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 16:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
"getting stuck in my head pretty regularly"
is this a good criteria to for a good song?
i used to think so, but now im not sure.if you listen to crappy music for a long enough time, it will get stuck in your head, too.
― nostormo, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:00 (8 months ago) Permalink
i'm glad baby isn't on the LP, song doesn't fit with the bizarro zappa pop of the rest of it. i honestly think this is the best new thing i've heard all year. top to bottom it's a killer record - excepting DRIFTWOOD and NOSTRADAMUS AND ME
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:00 (8 months ago) Permalink
Driftwood is my favorite song from the album lol
― nostormo, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:03 (8 months ago) Permalink
if you listen to crappy music for a long enough time, it will get stuck in your head, too.
well yeah, there are things that get stuck in my head that piss me off, "kinski assassins with agents in athens" goes around in my head and I enjoy it, I guess is what I'm sayin'
― dmr, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
this whole record has songs I like or w/e but I think Live it Up is the best song on it idk
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
pink slime is about his cum
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:19 (8 months ago) Permalink
This album is darn good.
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 23:15 (8 months ago) Permalink
this album sucks, why did i listen to (some of) you guys
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 19 September 2012 23:32 (8 months ago) Permalink
double agents from athens
― Mordy, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 23:42 (8 months ago) Permalink
i'm glad baby isn't on the LP, song doesn't fit with the bizarro zappa pop of the rest of it.
is it not on the vinyl version? its at the end of the CD version and, yeah, it feels odd placed there.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:51 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
― dmr, Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:16 (8 months ago) Permalink
o, missed that 1
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:18 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah thank god it's not on the LP. this is seriously becoming my favorite record of the last 3/4 years
― spazzmatazz, Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:25 (8 months ago) Permalink
Live It Up!
― 3×5, Friday, 21 September 2012 16:11 (8 months ago) Permalink
"Driftwood" channels that well-documented affection for Faith-era Cure really well IMO; I'm glad "Nostradamus" is drifting enough to serve as a buffer between "Baby" and the rest of the album.
― Yellow Tonka//Sony Titanium - YT//ST (Craig D.), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:37 (8 months ago) Permalink
Boom! Excellent article and a worthwhile discussion in the comments too.
http://thequietus.com/articles/10133-ariel-pink-beta-male-misogyny
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 11:37 (8 months ago) Permalink
I dunno, I'm not sure I care that much about his incoherent comments to get so indignant about it.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 11:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
Those comments, however incoherent, are symptomatic of wider issues of misogyny in indie culture. The article does a good job of opening the discussion out.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 11:58 (8 months ago) Permalink
Is the target of this piece indie culture, Ariel Pink or some expression of misogyny? I'm not sure I really get this. It's something about going to clubs in Norwich that play BIS and getting hit on by drunk dudes?
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
You know, it's just that I would have never really had expectations of Ariel Pink to be some kind of bastion of 'sexual democracy'. I've never really expected that from his music. Even line years ago about wanting a chick who puts up with his shit and puts out. I mean, it's always been there, right? Plus, he's always been really WEIRD, even I guess, a bit creepy.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:10 (8 months ago) Permalink
It is true that he has always been an asshole. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for it.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:13 (8 months ago) Permalink
It seems like there's several complaints being conflated together here, that's all. And it makes the entire issue less clear, imo.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:16 (8 months ago) Permalink
The main thrust of the article seems fairly clear to me - Ariel Pink's comments re: Beta males are indicative of a wider misogyny running through 'indie', and it would be at least helpful to use them as a starting point to check yrself and yr privilege/presentation of victimhood.
I do have issues with the lack of distinction between the twee scene and the larger indie scene, but that's for very specific reasons and nothing that's written is particularly inaccurate, so.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:23 (8 months ago) Permalink
'tweecore strongholds' is a disarming phrase
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm from Norwich and was completely unaware of any tweecore stronghold existing there.
― Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 24 September 2012 12:31 (8 months ago) Permalink
Interview him sometime. Dude's a creep. But I still like his music.
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:33 (8 months ago) Permalink
a silent, cloaking stronghold, just as it was predicted in the protocols of the elders of nyan
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:34 (8 months ago) Permalink
Lol, Dwight, there totally is. Mostly headed by my awesome bros in B34rsu1t.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:36 (8 months ago) Permalink
tweecore stronghold ruled with an amateurishly knitted fist.
that article is getting at something but it kinds of seems to come to a sudden stop before it completely unfolds its point, a bit.
― Right or wrong, It's the truth! (Merdeyeux), Monday, 24 September 2012 13:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
That article is putting words in Ariel's mouth, imo. The "beta males" line didn't read to me as "let's get revenge on the alphas by slyly seducing girls with our intellect" thing but a "fuck alpha males, let me deploy the word 'prey' to compare them to predators"
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Monday, 24 September 2012 13:47 (8 months ago) Permalink
In the original Wire article Pink talks quite explicitly about getting revenge on alpha males through using his intellect to seduce women. Women aren't allowed any agency, they're just vehicles for male competition to get 'pussy in the pocket'. How delightful. Classifications such as beta and alpha are such reductive bullshit anyway. Pink's thinking on gender and queerness is totally idiotic. So I don't think Joe Kennedy was putting words into his mouth at all.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
OH REALLY? yuck.
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:08 (8 months ago) Permalink
ugh I feel like I'm getting stupider just thinking about this
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:10 (8 months ago) Permalink
but is ariel pink's damage really indicative of broader trends in indie music?
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
yes, as explained in the article
― lex pretend, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:24 (8 months ago) Permalink
maybe in a different article!
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
Don't forget about Peep Show! Also, apparently, evidence of problems with the indie cultures.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:34 (8 months ago) Permalink
The sense that the sexual democracy of that scene is a sham, amounting ultimately to the perpetuation of the same old male privileges in a more passive-aggressive way, is one of the (many) things to have consistently undermined twee's claims to political credibility.
secret sympathies here w/ paglia i think
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:36 (8 months ago) Permalink
But who has ever claimed that 'indie culture' is sexually democratic? If we're playing this game, then surely such scenes are inherently constituted from those standards.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
maybe my problem is that i can't unpack the uk'isms. "Remember all those guys who really loved Le Tigre or Electrelane or Bis or CSS, but ultimately might as well have been in the triples-for-singles meat market up the road when it came to putting their money where their emancipatory mouths were?" what is triples-for-singles and how does that indicate that sexual democracy in twee scene is a sham?
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
i had no idea twee aspired to political credibility! i thought it was just a mostly spent aesthetic movement. and i never thought of ariel pink as twee? more as psychotic?
I didn't get that bit either, don't know what it means. I sort of am unclear how people hooking up at indie clubs distinguishes those clubs from... any clubs. But you know Ariel Pink is shit so feel free to smear them with whatever. Apparently the guy is also a massive racist too, I can tell by how annoying I find his music.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:42 (8 months ago) Permalink
the bit about triples-for-singles i mean.
also no doubt plenty of people are crepey, but actual meat market shit clubs really are a level above and we shouldn't forget this.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:43 (8 months ago) Permalink
this part is pretty terrible too:
"There's no direct continuity, but twee and its attendant bookish 'niceness' is one of the guiding influences on the Amerophile Dalston aesthetic Luke Turner described in his recent piece on Swans for Riot of Perfume."
there's no direct continuity but it's one of the guiding influences?
also who the fuck are Tullycraft and what do they have to do with Ariel Pink?
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:00 (8 months ago) Permalink
I assume it means triple measures of spirits for the price of a single measure xp
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
Ariel Pink isn't twee. They use the concept of the 'beta male' to move from Peep Show to AP to twee. Which is problematic, I think, but still coherent.
Triples-for-singles is, I assume, triple shots of alcohol for people without partners. But I'm extrapolating from context here, I've never actually seen such a thing advertised.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:03 (8 months ago) Permalink
xpost ah, Mencap has it, I suspect.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
I do always enjoy articles about how passive-aggressive 'nice' guys are raging assholes, this particular one didn't seem well argued tho.
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:06 (8 months ago) Permalink
You do realise that the fact that you don't know who Tullycraft are doesn't reflect badly on the author of the piece? I'm not saying that it reflects badly on you (they're shit), but the fact that you seem to think it is some sort of flaw in the article that YOU don't know something, does make me wonder about the rest of your points.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
i thought triple measures for people who are single!
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:14 (8 months ago) Permalink
and can prove it in a voigt-kampf test involving images of happy couples
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:15 (8 months ago) Permalink
who is MikoMcha
― human centipede hz (thomp), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:20 (8 months ago) Permalink
emil.y, I think it is the responsibility of the writer to contextualize new information. he does a poor job of explaining why Tullycraft matter to Ariel Pink outside a vague stream of consciousness that they are both connected through this beta male construct. a better writer would do at least a cursory job of explaining the relevance between the two.
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:21 (8 months ago) Permalink
but the fact that you seem to think it is some sort of flaw in the article that YOU don't know something
Yes, I think this is a flaw in the article.
oy i mean it's several incidences of a widespread phenomenon, the connecting link is basically 'these are the horizons of the (pop) culture i engage with'
― human centipede hz (thomp), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:23 (8 months ago) Permalink
it's the quietus ffs, by their standards this is pulitzer-worthy
― human centipede hz (thomp), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:24 (8 months ago) Permalink
i am happy i'm not the only one who'd never heard the term triples-for-singles.
tbh that entire paragraph about bookish 'niceness' seems to make about four leaps that we just have to accept to get with with wider argument.
― Right or wrong, It's the truth! (Merdeyeux), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:25 (8 months ago) Permalink
just another reminder that we expect so much less from music writing than we expect from other writing
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
Errr... why? Just a long time ILM reader, occasional poster.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:28 (8 months ago) Permalink
well i just wondered if you'd registered purely to defend ariel pink from charges of misogny
― human centipede hz (thomp), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm usually on hip-hop or dance music threads.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:30 (8 months ago) Permalink
twee and its attendant bookish 'niceness' is one of the guiding influences on the Amerophile Dalston aesthetic
yeah i don't really see this in dalston... i don't even see it in fashion to a great degree.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:30 (8 months ago) Permalink
Besides, I wasn't defending him, as you can read from my posts.
Why? They mention a band who lots of people do know about, they give the title of the song, which is fairly self-explanatory in its relevance, and then they discuss the pertinent gender issues surrounding such statements. Why is this a flaw instead of you bemoaning that their cultural reference points are not exactly the same as your own.
And I will restate, the article is not "look at these guys who are following Ariel Pink in their misogyny", the article is "Ariel Pink's recent misogynist comments are representative of a nasty undercurrent in the indie scene".
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:38 (8 months ago) Permalink
Straight white cis dudes: "not defending Ariel Pink, just saying this article is shit because of oooh, all these terrible mistakes they've made, look, they mentioned a band I've never heard of, pshaw, how can anyone take this issue seriously if THESE are the standards?"
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:41 (8 months ago) Permalink
i think you're overlooking some pretty terrible ideas + arguments in that article bc you dislike Ariel Pink - many of which are terrible bc they have nothing to do w/ Ariel Pink!
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
i wish i could find a link to hopper's where the girls aren't, which i think ran a similar thesis about emo music but wasn't terrible
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:45 (8 months ago) Permalink
also, this is for sure more offensive than anything that seattle indie band has ever made:
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:46 (8 months ago) Permalink
Depends what you mean by "dislike Ariel Pink". I haven't heard the new one but his music is mostly great. I wish he wasn't an asshole.
Besides which, you're completely failing to read my posts: the article is not "look at these guys who are following Ariel Pink in their misogyny", the article is "Ariel Pink's recent misogynist comments are representative of a nasty undercurrent in the indie scene".
I am interested in this because I AM PART OF THE INDIE SCENE AND I KNOW IT TO BE TRUE. Which is why I wish there had been a better job made of dissociating "indie" and "twee" - they're both horribly misogynist, but I feel like their operant modes are rather different.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:47 (8 months ago) Permalink
I think it's tricky to begin with to make sweeping claims about a particular scene - but especially when it's unclear that the specifics of the scene are actually a part of said scene, or related at all. is indie just a synonym for twee? what does drinking heavily at a club have to do w/ ariel pink's psychotic home recording aesthetic? there's this beta male idea, but that crosses scenes + genres. the author could just as easily have said: ariel pink's beta male misogyny occurs throughout music including this emo band Cute is What We Aim For - and it would be equally coherent! which is to say, not really coherent at all.
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:49 (8 months ago) Permalink
xp that's kinda the problem with the article though, it points in the general direction of the misogyny found in some subcultures (which particular ones, it's not quite clear), but without unwrapping that you get the people who know it's already the case filling the gaps and agreeing and the people who don't think there's a problem not seeing where the substance is.
― Right or wrong, It's the truth! (Merdeyeux), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
I don't want to go through the piece line by line, but it's not just this one complaint. There's numerous leaps in logic here and assertions that aren't born out in the piece. for instance: "In fact, it's in some ways a visual analogue to twee indie-pop's greatest musical crime, Tullycraft's 'Pop Songs Your New Boyfriend's too Stupid to Know About'"
What is the visual analogue? "chinos and deck shoes meet satchels and rusting bikes?" what do chinos have to do w/ this Tullycraft song except that maybe one of the band members wears them? are ppl who ride rusting bikes more misogynistic than ppl who don't bike at all?
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:52 (8 months ago) Permalink
There's always a moment in a thread where things begin to turn...
For the record, I agree that Ariel's comments are off-putting and offensive. Not sure about the other links in the article (I don't know about UK indie clubs), but for what it's worth indie scenes in my experience are often defined by the double-standards that this article is sketching out. Doesn't strike me as newsworthy in particular. That's why I don't hang out at those kinds of places.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:53 (8 months ago) Permalink
article about itself in online music publication
― free-range chicken pox (Matt P), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
is indie just a synonym for twee?
Try reading my posts.
what does drinking heavily at a club have to do w/ ariel pink's psychotic home recording aesthetic?
The article never said it did. It said that the beta male seduction technique is just as sexist as the boorish males of the meat market clubs.
there's this beta male idea, but that crosses scenes + genres.
Yes, it does. However, you're just throwing it in as a vague concept mentioned in passing, when "this beta male idea" is the central fucking point.
ariel pink's beta male misogyny occurs throughout music including this emo band Cute is What We Aim For - and it would be equally coherent! which is to say, not really coherent at all.
Yes, it could have said that. But it is not an emo magazine. Its audience are not predominantly emo kids. It is a call to examine privilege and pretence in its own backyard. A reference to an emo band would be pointing the finger, rather than attempting to address one's own problems.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
What is the visual analogue? "chinos and deck shoes meet satchels and rusting bikes?" what do chinos have to do w/ this Tullycraft song except that maybe one of the band members wears them?
There's this thing, it's called semiotics.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:56 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm going to drop it. I don't think it's a particularly well written or argued article but I see that the point it is trying to make is important enough that stylistic concerns are irrelevant.
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:58 (8 months ago) Permalink
if anyone genuinely thinks chinos/deck shoes/rusting bikes somehow nails down a particular type of person or the things they are into, then that's sort of crazy.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 16:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
lol
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 16:02 (8 months ago) Permalink
This album RULES
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Monday, 24 September 2012 16:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
I thought the Mark from Peep Show reference was a good one because I've always read Pink in a similar way. But maybe I like his music so much that I'm reading things into it to try and convince myself that it's ok to listen to. I basically had to come to terms with all of this when I first heard the Doldrums and House Arrest because it's impossible to enjoy a song like West Coast Calamities or Every Night I Die at Miyagi's without dealing with the misogynistic lyrics. It seemed clear to me at the time that much of his work was devoted to exorcising the ugliest thoughts and feelings inside of him, and it's clear that it wasn't coming from somebody who feels good about himself. I mean calling him a creep seems kind of amazingly point-missing since most of his work deals with the very topic of feeling like a creep all of the time. He seems to me like a Kauffman-esque wrestling villain who sort of debases himself and makes the listener complicit in the process. I guess that's the definition of a troll, but trolls don't usually bundle their trolling along with awesome tunes.
― wk, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
While I'd agree that he's exploring some kind of debased persona through his music, I don't read his interviews that way. And if it's a joke, it's not a very good one.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:39 (8 months ago) Permalink
I think a lot of that is right, and it's worth noting that his general persona had very different resonances and implications prior to being lumped into this narrative of indie PC indignation on the political credibility of whatever scene. That is, when around 2004-2006 when he was came across more explicitly as outsider music...
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
Thing is, Ariel is no longer an outsider, he's a feted indie star whose pronouncements are taken seriously. I do kinda resent the notion that his critics are uptight, self-righteous PC folk. Nobody is talking about banning him or saying you shouldn't listen to his music - indeed most of us are/were fans. Misogyny exists in the indie scene, let's talk about it.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:56 (8 months ago) Permalink
Bloody hell Stew you're now on my facebook news feed, via Beta-gate.
Time for me bed
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Monday, 24 September 2012 22:52 (8 months ago) Permalink
Heh, dearie me! This is what bank holiday time-wasting leads to! Tomorrow, work, no more beta-gate. I think I've said everything I can say on this really. Ariel is a douche and deserves to be called out on his bullshit, but I still like his music, at least apart from the new album, which is largely pish.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 00:34 (8 months ago) Permalink
just started the article but kudos for the "lomo beck" moniker
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 00:42 (8 months ago) Permalink
I am a fan of ariel pink
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 00:49 (8 months ago) Permalink
btw I wouldn't categorize pink as a cis white male or w/e he is like almost inhuman
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 00:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
highland park gollum
I'm about to read this article, but my mindset going in is: "Male-dominated rock 'n' roll scene full of dudes trying to get laid SHOCKER'.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:30 (8 months ago) Permalink
It's not like you at all to go into a debate like this having already decided what you believe, Adam.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:36 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm not the only person that does that!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:43 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm mostly going on the basis of the Flaming Lips/Erykah Badu thread and wondering what it would take for you to acknowledge the possibility that an indie musician doesn't necessarily have the most enlightened attitudes towards women.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:48 (8 months ago) Permalink
also the point might have a bit more traction if this wasn't an article about pretty much the least male-dominated 'rock'n'roll scene' available
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:54 (8 months ago) Permalink
do yall think it is possible that ariel's sister dying in a car accident has maybe given him something of madonna complex
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:57 (8 months ago) Permalink
Yeah im not saying he's not misogynist in his views. Clearly Ariel Pink is coming right out and saying some fucked up stuff. My main issue is with him wrapping it in a hip reference (Nerds) and then people treating it like it is a new approach. Isn't it more or less a rehash of the whole 'metrosexual' thing from 10 years ago?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
not with hair like that it isn't
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:11 (8 months ago) Permalink
Normally I don't pay any attention to interviews, but this was funny.
Ariel Marcus Rosenberg was a child of divorce by the age of three, and he admits to being a troubled kid growing up in Louisiana. He was also obsessed with heavy metal, diving deeply into Morbid Angel, Metallica, and Christian Death. During a rough patch in junior high, he shipped out to Mexico City to stay with his cousins, where he first heard the Smiths and the Cure. When he went to live with his father and attend Beverly Hills High School, he sold off his metal collection and rebranded himself as a goth. It also marked his last dalliance with new music: “Metal was the last current thing I kept up with. After that, my listening was totally retro. My mind was closing itself off from the rest of the planet.” When he later goes on a diatribe about the state of modern music, he berates the likes of Alanis Morrissette and Natalie Imbruglia as if it’s still 1997.
This sounds like half the kids I knew growing up.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Italo Night at Some Gay Club (Mount Cleaners), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:30 (8 months ago) Permalink
Could someone link to the original Wire article? I guess the guy from Quietus couldn't be bothered. That feels like a real beta-journalist move, but what do I know.
― how's life, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:52 (8 months ago) Permalink
Oh, it looks like it's not available for computer.
― how's life, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:54 (8 months ago) Permalink
What's a good starting point for Ariel Pink? Not that I want to support him now that he's a gross miogynist or whatever, but I remember one of the members of Warpaint repping for him as something that she enjoyed.
― how's life, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 13:13 (8 months ago) Permalink
The Doldrums is my favorite, Before Today is also good.
...he berates the likes of Alanis Morrissette and Natalie Imbruglia as if it’s still 1997.
Ha.
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 15:18 (8 months ago) Permalink
his next record will be even weirder
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 15:20 (8 months ago) Permalink
'The Doldrums' is an alltime fave. I like the newie way more than I thought I would.
― Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 23:08 (8 months ago) Permalink
Worn Copy is my fave
― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 27 September 2012 00:00 (7 months ago) Permalink
^
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 00:09 (7 months ago) Permalink
'Credit' is the one.
― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 27 September 2012 00:11 (7 months ago) Permalink
Big fan of Cable Access Follies
― Moodles, Thursday, 27 September 2012 01:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
Yeah. It's like a non-corny novelty record
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 02:29 (7 months ago) Permalink
"the least male-dominated 'rock'n'roll scene' available"
so what women should be happy because they have a sliver of a voice instead of less than that? 'never mind that you're seen as second-class citizens, girls, wild flag and tune-yards exist'
and i like both those bands but you get my point (i hope)
― maura, Thursday, 27 September 2012 03:09 (7 months ago) Permalink
I think that was in response to Adam's "male-dominated rock 'n' roll scene full of dudes trying to get laid SHOCKER!" post rather than in support of it.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 27 September 2012 08:48 (7 months ago) Permalink
yes it was
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 27 September 2012 08:59 (7 months ago) Permalink
(and was referring [Britisher] tweepop rather than whatever it is WF and Tuneyards fit into)
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 27 September 2012 09:03 (7 months ago) Permalink
The intro to "Credit" kills me every time. Dude should cut an album of fake consumer exchanges (cf also "Shnitzel Boogie".)
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 27 September 2012 09:13 (7 months ago) Permalink
Life in LA.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 27 September 2012 13:14 (7 months ago) Permalink
The intro to "Credit" kills me every time.
Hahaha, yes! Those three Paw Tracks CDs are all so great in their own way, Doldrums would definitely be my #1 pick. Haven't given the new one a 2nd listen yet.
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:03 (7 months ago) Permalink
I listened to the Entire Ariel Pink Discography As Research in 2008, concluded that "Worn Copy" was my favourite and had my favourite songs on it in the context of Ariel's Thing, but in retrospect I'm unclear as to whether or not I actually like Ariel's music or have any place for it in my life except to put on to make fun of houseguests who are talking about the drugs they enjoy doing
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:35 (7 months ago) Permalink
that makes me sound like a narc maybe but something about cute homos chatting bout where they're gonna score drugs later just makes me reach for my Ariel records
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
Errr... not sure I can relate to any of that!
Doldrums for me is one of those records that reminds me of a particular time in my life, so sentimental value. I liked the other Paw Tracks ones, but only select tracks here and there. Before Today is consistently a solid record tho.
Have the new one, but this thread has actually put me off listening to it :/
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:51 (7 months ago) Permalink
― Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 27 September 2012 20:30 (7 months ago) Permalink
Errr... not sure I can relate to any of that!Me neither, was the point
― i thought it was an "edit" button. (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:04 (7 months ago) Permalink
Haha
Doldrums is my fave too, with Before Today and Mature Themes tied for second place. Everything else has its moments and spots of amazing/incredulous mess.
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
Worn Copy gets to oppressive, House Arrest is good pop fun but spotty sometimes
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:38 (7 months ago) Permalink
scared famous 4 me
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 28 September 2012 00:32 (7 months ago) Permalink
IM NOT REAL AND I WON'T CALL YOU
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
call me stupid (and sorry for coming late to the discussion) but why is talking about going on the prowl misogynist?
eg. man says 'i wanna chase some tail'. does that demean women or does that just make the man a bit shallow (in this instance....maybe a month ago he was in a serious and challenging relationship with an equal)?
was it the use of the words 'rape' and 'prey'? it might have been a brutal analogy but i get the idea ariel likes being grotesque. i don't think referring to women as 'prey' necessarily denies their agency. the women 'hunted down' could just as easily talk abt going out on the prowl and hunting down men on that same night.
tho wasnt ariel's whole pt that he DOESNT chase down/'rape', he charms. in which case, isnt HE decrying the 'chase'/'rape' scenario??
>>>"The "beta males" line didn't read to me as "let's get revenge on the alphas by slyly seducing girls with our intellect" thing but a "fuck alpha males, let me deploy the word 'prey' to compare them to predators"
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.)
^maybe it's a bit of both? 'i am an intellectual charmer, he is a predatory rapist'!
likewise, why is the discussion of hetero male sexual power struggles misogynist? it might not be about women's agency but does that matter? don't women compete for men too? it's just another pt of view
genuinely confused.
― no fear, Saturday, 17 November 2012 04:21 (6 months ago) Permalink
is he really as influential as everyone says he is? i think we live in a post animal collective indie world, not ap. way more people heard feels, strawb jam, mpp than anything ap did.
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:50 (1 month ago) Permalink
keep in mind i love mature themes more than certain friends
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:51 (1 month ago) Permalink
Not a week goes by that i don't read a variation on the phrase 'faded VHS memories' or see a music video that makes liberal use of FCP's "Bad TV" filter. I'm blaming that all on him just for the hell of it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:54 (1 month ago) Permalink
there are so many bands/solo artists, whatever over the past few years that sound like second rate Ariel knockoffs to me. ariel himself is part of the "post AC" world though too isn't he? he's like the alice cooper to AC's Zappa.
I sort of feel like AC took what they did as far as it can go and can't really see them inspiring any worthy imitators. The fact that Ariel's early stuff was deceivingly rough or under-realized I think probably led more people to want to do what he did but different or better.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:02 (1 month ago) Permalink
also solo artists are where it's at now.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:04 (1 month ago) Permalink
chillwave/hauntology didnt become a thing til 2010 right? when before today came out, but before its release?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:13 (1 month ago) Permalink
ac will/have already become the grateful dead of our generation
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:14 (1 month ago) Permalink
AP's been a going concern since before today. that was his first album to be annointed by Pitchfork, but his earlier albums were pretty big in the indie set iirc
― Spectrum, Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:17 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah, 2004 paw tracks release of doldrums is what put him on the map and then the whole group of imitators started popping up around 2010, just in time for him to release BT and get even bigger.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 19:45 (1 month ago) Permalink
but why him, and why the delayed response?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 19:59 (1 month ago) Permalink
I thought the whole Chillwave boom was in 2009 right after Merriweather Post Pavillion came out.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:08 (1 month ago) Permalink
why him what? why are musicians inspired by a guy who is an incredible songwriter? delayed response - maybe because it's harder to copy what he did than it seems?
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:15 (1 month ago) Permalink
so if ac is the beatles, ap is the velvet underground?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:17 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah, I guess '09 was the year of washed out, neon indian, carles chillwave article, etc. I don't think it's likely that those things were influenced by MPP that came out just a few months earlier.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:20 (1 month ago) Permalink
AP is the bob dylan of his generation. other chillwave bands are the byrds, sonny & cher, etc. that emerged 3 or 4 years after dylan's debut.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:21 (1 month ago) Permalink
ariel pink is the tiny tim of his generation
― brony orlando (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:23 (1 month ago) Permalink
i remember in that article he (and lots of others like james murphy) was seeing his influence on a lot of artistshttp://www.spin.com/articles/ariel-pink-in-praise-of-guilty-genius/ "Every time I hear her," he says of Grimes, "I hear a little of myself. It's obvious, but it's cool: You can see the potential for something." i think "obvious" is pushing it a bit on that one...
― Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:31 (1 month ago) Permalink
i think he's calling grimes' music "obvious" in the same sense that his own is - not that she's taking obvious inspiration from him
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:38 (1 month ago) Permalink
Pink isn't even a fraction of the singer or performer that Tiny Tim was. he obviously wins on the songwriting front though.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:40 (1 month ago) Permalink
The tiny tim of today is like pomplamoose or something. pains me to say that because I love tiny tim, but in terms of gimmicky performer that got famous doing covers it fits.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:41 (1 month ago) Permalink
― wk, Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:45 PM (52 minutes ago)
the first round of obvious ariel pink imitators i remember showed up in 2008 or so, e.g. gary war's new ratheonport. at the same time, american indie garage bands were going nuts for super-shitty fidelity (in the wake of AP and times new viking, coming from very different directions) and massive amounts of reverb (a la oh sees & ty segall). 2009 saw a shift towards hazy/fuzzy nostalgia vibe surfing from folks like real estate and kurt vile.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:54 (1 month ago) Permalink
blank dogs also figure in there somewhere, drew a lot of attention in 2007 w ap-style take on uk post punk
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:56 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah, definitely gary war. garage has always been shitty sounding though. since the original back from the grave bands, through to the mummies, etc. shitty sounding pop music with synths was something kind of new and different though.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:06 (1 month ago) Permalink
I don't know, to me it's all about the songwriting. I think people underestimate that. it's not like pink invented vhs nostalgia or anything.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:07 (1 month ago) Permalink
no doubt, but there was a brief mid-to late 00s fascination with super shitty, teengenerate/early hellacopters-style recordings of indieish music: tnv, blank dogs, eat skull, psychedelic horseshit, the wavves, etc. we can't so soon have forgot those heady shitgaze nights?
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:10 (1 month ago) Permalink
i don't see all that as ap-influenced by any means (i'd say blank dogs and gary war were), but with those ap reissues, the lo-fi boom helped clear room for more commercially viable versions of vaguely similar stuff a couple/few years later
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:13 (1 month ago) Permalink
"See, I can hear my influence in this music," Pink shouts from the passenger seat, ignoring Emily as Coldplay's "Paradise" comes on the radio. "That over-melodiousness, that whole keyboard bit. That was all me. Seriously. They don't even realize." ^^^ there are bits like that a few places in the interview, made me think the guy is a little paranoid.
― Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (1 month ago) Permalink
boards of canada seems relevant too. I think they were one of the first to popularize the idea of not just generic distorted lo-fi sound, but specifically evoking the sound of a bad classroom filmstrip or stretched out warbling tape. I don't know any of those bands you mentioned except for wavves who to me seem more generally punk rock. to me there's a distinct difference between a making a lo-fi recording because it's the punk rock thing to do and making a lo-fi recording of a type of music that's not typically meant to sound lo-fi.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (1 month ago) Permalink
made me think the guy is a little paranoid.
getting high in the morning will do that to you
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:28 (1 month ago) Permalink
after reading that article i thought starting a thread called "artists that ariel pink could think were influenced by him weren't" , or something like that.
Broadcast comes to mind.
― Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:34 (1 month ago) Permalink
"but weren't" damn where is the edit button.
xp yeah, i agree that the boc-like "bad filmstrip" aesthetic isn't present in, say, times new viking and their offsprings. they reach back more to gbv & sebadoh-style 90s lo-fi and decades of shitty garage/punk sonics. but it is there, at least in received and reinterpreted form, in blank dogs and gary war. also present in a less direct way in folks like matt mondanile (real estate/ducktails) jocking old vhs as the referent for an interst in fuzz, hiss, reverb and "hazy" nostalgia.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:35 (1 month ago) Permalink
not sure why i'm arguing for this, tbh, just the way i remember it
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:36 (1 month ago) Permalink
gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink though. Hey, Post Pink would have been a better genre name than chillwave.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:41 (1 month ago) Permalink
gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink
oh yeah shit yeah. was just trying to locate postpink ground zero in 2008/2009. fuzz-splitting.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:57 (1 month ago) Permalink
i remember thinking Before Today got a rave rating on Pitchfork because he had attained this status as an indie demi-god around that time, and Pitchfork wanted to keep up with the times. background being they had shat all over his entire discography years before.
― Spectrum, Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:02 (1 month ago) Permalink
lol, I just revisited some of the earlier parts of this thread and saw that dumb pitchfork doldrums review and googled nick sylvester since he sounded familiar and I thought he used to post here. I guess that idiot got his comeuppance.
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:30 (1 month ago) Permalink
are you gonna look after my boys???????
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:43 (1 month ago) Permalink
I never realized that the videos for AYGLAMB, kate, and politely declined were all directed by the same guy who did those gi joe psa videos!
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:57 (1 month ago) Permalink
what's his name? cos he's probably more influential than AP
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:16 (1 month ago) Permalink
haha. eric fensler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fensler_Films
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:18 (1 month ago) Permalink
apparently he's a writer for Tim & Eric
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:41 (1 month ago) Permalink
Two children are in a kitchen. In fairly unintelligibly slurred speech, the first boy says "You're not cooking.", the second boy responds "Yeah I do". The curtains in front of the stove catch on fire and the boy operating the stove tries to say the word "fire" but only stutters it instead, saying something along the lines of, "ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-baa-baaa-baaah." Blowtorch runs in, shouting "Porkchop Sandwiches!" This line is one of the most frequently quoted by fans, and Fensler has until recently sold T-shirts sporting the phrase. He arrives at the kitchen door and in a panic-ridden voice orders the children: "Oh shit, get the fuck out of here! What are you doing? Go, get the fuck out of here, you stupid idiots! Fuck, we're all dead! Get the fuck out!" His panicked tone of voice contrasts oddly with his calm body language. Outside, he tells them, "My God, did that smell good!" prompting a stream of gibberish from one of the boys. One of the boys says something along the lines of, "Detective, I did no going and then you tell me do things, I done runnin'..." This is met with Blowtorch's staring toward the camera, followed by a closeup of that same stare.[12]
― Stupor Fly, Friday, 26 April 2013 20:34 (1 month ago) Permalink
til it was "yeah i do" not "yeah dude"
― Sébastien, Friday, 26 April 2013 20:58 (1 month ago) Permalink
i'd really like to hear more anecdotal stories about ariel's meth use. ever since i read this thread, and that christopher owens interview where he says "we're on different drugs. i'm a junkie, ariel's up all the time bouncing off the walls," his whole cultivated aura of mystery and weirdness seems a lot less contrived. certainly explains the shit live shows and the sheer volume of his recorded work....i don't know
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 16 May 2013 17:58 (1 week ago) Permalink