Favorite SST releases?

Also:
Sister LP
Slovenly: Riposte
fIREHOSE: Ragin' Full On
Flip Your Wig

*the good hex* by dc3, however, is somewhat underrated.

Zoogz Rift, your SST select choice!

and many Minutemen and Meat Puppet releases mentioned above (though latter of which I now have via Ryko reissues anyway)

more i can't think of because i have a sinus headache. mostly saint vitus.

i'd buy a slovenly box.

"*toke* dude.. like everything is wrong, man. let's sign more instrumental jazz/funk/bands and we'll get around to this royalty thing"

that's when.

(strongo trumped me and is of course otm)

Blind Idiot God - first album
Elliott Sharp - Tessellation Row
Grant Hart - Intolerance
Cruel Frederick - The Birth Of The Cruel
Das Damen - Jupiter Eye

http://macdaraconroy.com/features/misc/sst_discog.txt

I was gonna say the first Blind Idiot God too, but somebody beat me to it.

Sylvia Juncosa deserves props for the song title "Eddie Van Halen, Lick My Pussy"

Like a really loud and good power pop album. I love "Green Eyes" and "Flexible Flyer." A must for Grant Hart fans, though Mould has some good stuff on there, too.
My favorite SST release is Husker's "Eight Miles High" single. A-freakinmazing.

Is the rumour that they never paid any of the bands true?

like New Day Rising, but with no memorable songs to go w/ the pretty melodies. (actually, in 1985, I put Flip Your Wig not New Day Rising in my top ten, for some reason, but that's probably just because it was newer at the time. Within a couple years I was calling their new albums *Candy Ass Gray* and stuff like that, though -- In fact, *Flip Your Wig* was their last album that I ever liked at all, I think. And all the stuff they did after they broke up seemed worthless to me.)

Then again, I actually gave Crazy Backwards Alphabet (is that what they were called? the Beefheartesque Henry Kaiser super-trio) a good review in CREEM once, so what the hell do I know?

But anyway in place of that one I pick "The First Four Years" by Black Flag.

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Black Flag - everything up through Slip It In
Husker Du - Metal Circus, Zen Arcade, New Day Rising, Flip Your Wig
Dinosaur - You're Living, Bug
Slovenly - Thinking of Empire, Riposte, We Shoot for the Moon
Sonic Youth - Evol, Sister
Minutemen - everything up through Three Way Tie
Pell Mell - Rhyming Guitars (reissue), Flow
Meat Puppets - II, Up on the Sun

plus when they took on New Alliance:

Descendents - Milo Goes to College, I Don't Wanna Grow Up

and more, I'm sure.

Paper Bag
SWA
Tom Troccoli's Dog
Painted Willie
BLAST!
Alter-Natives
Lawndale
Always August
Brian Ritchie

More good SST:

Tar Babies - Fried Milk
Pell Mell - Bumper Crop

And, to be honest, all the stuff they've released since about 1995.....????? Who knows.

I forgot they were so awesome. When I was fifteen I wanted to live in the south bay just for this reason

my guitar case still has the big SST sticker on it

< totally anal nitpick I know I know >

under the "Dinosaur Jr." name, it wasn't

< /totally anal nitpick I know I know >

And I always liked Alter Natives, but then, I also went to school with them. Jim Thomson later did a stylistic spin and ended up singing with salsa band Bio Ritmo.

I picked up the a Tom Trocolli's Dog LP in Baltimore last year, and got a dirty look. Old resentments die hard. Now need Oktoberfaction.

SST wins!

also, the FIRST (and best) meat puppets album, which sounds like hella!

YES! OTM.

That shit is awesome. It's some of the wierdest 'hardcore' I've ever heard, and perhaps could also applicable for the shambolic thread.

the one sst band i loved that kept making great records all the way to the end, after husker du started sucking, after the meat puppets started sucking, was the minutemen. i even love "project: mersh."

The two Volcano Suns on SST, Farced and Thing of Beauty, have their moments but drag after a while. The latter is like 72 minutes long so this is problematic.

I remember hearing Bias and being surprisingly taken with it. With that, Oxbow and Fatso Jetson I think there might be a case for SST's last stand being underrated.

They were releasing an album a week in the late 80s though weren't they? Clearly *productive* potheads, if nothing else.

under the "Dinosaur Jr." name, it wasn't

Getting even more analaller than you's twos, the first 'jr' record was the fucking crummy 'Show me the way' EP on SST. You're Living All Over Me came out as just plain old Dinosaur to start with, but got changed for later issues.

We were reminiscing about SST on the Zoogz Rift thread the other day. Slovenly fans might be sad to hear that one of the guitarists, Scott Ziegler, died last year :o(

Now riddle me this: what does SST stand for?

I was going to interview Greg Ginn recently (obv. anyone can at this point, even me), but it all seemed kind of sad and he has some weird cat obsession now and no one else cared about it, but me.

It's weird how Angst have become erased from people's minds. I still quite like Mystery Spot. Weren't they one of the Pixies influences? I seem to recall that Frank Black's advert for band members supposedly asked for people influenced "by Angst and Husker Du".

Angst actually played in the UK with Dinosaur Jr in 1987 (I know cos I was there), around the same time the Pixies were starting to become the New Thing. As I recall it they were way better then Dino Jr, who were always terrible live.

Doctor Wu by the Minutemen was the first time I ever heard someone sing that stupid song, so that's a fave of mine...

Has there been a Homestead C or D? Ahhh sweet 80s hardcore nostalgia... (are all types of music called Hardcore great, btw?)

chuck you need to hear lawndale's sasquatch rock again, especially with your genre-bending hearing aids in. there's this crazy "whole lotta love"/"take five" medley (90s us indie band paid tribute to with equally screwy "take five" - fab four's "he's so heavy" = unity cover).

The only band from my home town, Pacific Palisades CA, to actually "make it". Colin, you seriously could stand their version of "La Isla Bonita"?

The more underrated Pacific Palisades band with SST influences but with proto-Polvo/psych rock sounds was MUSTARD. I'd be happy to digitize their (I think one and only) self-titled 7" from 1990 with "Burn The Green" and "Song For D." on it for interested folks. (you can obviously guess who "D." refers to).

Opal's "Happy Nightmare," Minutemen, first three Meat Puppets, Volcano Suns OTM.

The Divine Horsemen's "Middle of The Night" was on SST, wasn't it? I loved that record.

to be fair, Polvo were already active at the time, but the more bent aspects of the band's guitar playing (mainly Ash's playing) wouldn't be accented until a little later.. and I didn't mean to imply the band were an influence on them of anything, but I hear a little bit of that in one of the songs.. minor comment, really.

Avoid:
Minuteflag
Zoogz Rift
Elliot Sharp

http://www.quartzcity.net/~chris/ilx/sst1.jpg

Bl'ast-the power of expression. (It pains me that even most of you guys don't know this band and this album).

Husker Du-zen arcade.

Black Flag-slip it in.

Husker Du-metal circus.ep.

Black Flag-my war.

Dinosaur Jr-you're living all over me.

Minutemen-double nickels on the dime.

Black Flag-damaged.

Black Flag-the first four years.

Meat Puppets-2.

Heh, I never knew Scott linked to my SST discography thingy. The old link is dead but it's still online:

http://macdaraconroy.com/experiments/misc/sst_discog.txt

I haven't added the new stuff yet, and I never got around to writing up discogs for New Alliance, Cruz and Issues.

thanks, I just tried to look at the old one!

SST Acoustic comp (totally forgotten album with people like The Last, Kirk Kelly and Angst who you might balk at sitting thorugh a whole album of, but get their good stuff represented on here)

-- DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, March 12, 2004 11:09 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

^^^still this - I like basically every song on this comp

http://www.emusic.com/lists/showlist.html?lid=32829478
http://blogs.citypages.com/pscholtes/2008/10/sarah_palins_fa.php

Tar Babies's Fried Milk is a great unsung SST album

After getting a digital copy of this recently, agreed. But really there are so many great unsung SST albums.

Bl'ast-the power of expression. (It pains me that even most of you guys don't know this band and this album).

I'm sorry but It's In My Blood! is a far better album (and Take the Manic Ride would be good too without the shitty production). Alas, they had a sound too far ahead of their time.

But... isn't Bl'ast's sound basically a mix of Damaged & My War? I mean that's great and everything but it's not exactly ahead of it's time.

All the classic Meat Pups, Husker, Minutemen, fIREHOSE etc: but I also realy like the first s/t Buffalo Tom album

Oh, that first Buffalo Tom album was basically the soundtrack to me skiving off lectures all day and generally fucking up at university. Every time I see it now I feel like a loser all over again. That and the first Anastasia Screamed record, the one with the pink cover.

But... isn't Bl'ast's sound basically a mix of Damaged & My War? I mean that's great and everything but it's not exactly ahead of it's time.

Ah that's what everyone always says, but have you ever actually listened to them? The time changes and other intricacies place them as far away from Black Flag as, say, the Minutemen and Sac Trust are.

Sure, I dig Power Of Expression and I agree completely about Take The Manic Ride being good if it weren't for the (really) shitty production, I'm not sure about It's In my Blood being better but I like that too. I guess I didn't think anything in particular about their sound hadn't been done previously by Black Flag/Greg Ginn's guitar playing in particular. Not that that makes it any less great to listen to.

New Day Rising, with Meat Puppets II close behind.

The SST albums by Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr. and Buffalo Tom have been remastered. What's next? I think Sister in a double deluxe pkg is due sometime soon. Hard to tell if a remaster would do much for Husker Du or Minutemen.

Tom Watson has said that one day he'd like to get the Slovenly stuff reissued (dunno about remastering). Could definitely do with getting Thinking of Empire on CD.

I read that somewhere too, I really hope it happens some day soon. Surely there's someone here who runs a label which'd be perfect for this. I mean, if Slovenly were British it probably would have happened already (with the likes of LTM and so on).

Absolutely, they've been totally overlooked by that whole crowd who would totally be into them I think.

back to the original question:
double nickles are living all over my sister

Slovenly were great. I'm always a little surprised to learn that SST are still around.

I think Husker and Minutemen would benefit from remastering if the musicians agreed to NOT REMIX THEM. I know members of both bands wanted to, and Mike Watt's early CD remix of Double Nickels is notorious. All of their stuff sounds better to me on vinyl, and that's reason enough for remastering, plus Double Nickels deserves to have the tracks that were deleted for the CD version restored, the album spread out over two CDs if necessary--it never feels complete without "Mr. Robot's Holy Orders." I don't know of an album that good whose CD and digital release was so botched.

Just found an SST fan blog:

http://heretoblast.blogspot.com/

pete,

do you know anything as to the details of why katzman had to cancel that double CD of huskers unreleased stuff from 79? i know it was internal husker politics but i hope they can get their act together...

im surprised so few people have shouted out kill from the heart!

You might know something I don't, Matt; I corresponded with Katzman a month ago and the release was still forthcoming...

Los Angeles ILXORs take note: a Pettibon exhibit of '70s and '80s works is running through October 18:

http://blogs.citypages.com/pscholtes/2008/10/pettibon_juncti.php

PO Box 1 gone! Black Flag founder Greg Ginn and SST Records start fresh in Taylor, Texas

"Peacefully confident and content, Ginn has progressed to a new phase of life defined equally by jam-band culture and fatherhood."

christ, someone beat him up until he surrenders the rights to the saint vitus albums.

And the Dicks! WTF.

Sounds like the Dirty Projectors show was 'interesting'.

No love for The Leaving Trains? 'Fuck' and 'Kill Tunes' are incredible.

Yes! 'KIll Tunes' is one of my favourites. I don't think they were as hooky again till the end of the '90s/early '00s but that's just me. Are they still going? I used to enjoy Falling James' website updates.

done to death and tired of hearing it'ers i give you...

METAL CIRCUS

i love the ep so much it's the one band t-shirt i have that actually features it's masthead

huskers! otm

SST stuff now on Spotify.

not all of it, Surviving You Always is MIA but the other Saccharine Trust recs are there.

do they have the dicks' sst album up on there?

Wishing they'd remaster a lot of the material. Could do with upgrades on the Black Flag cds & Saccharine Trust, Minutemen, Husker du (surprised this hasn't happened on another label if it hasn't) and a few others.

Main Black Flag I listen to these days is the Marquee '84 set which a friend recorded. Only time i got to see the band live. But I think '84 was a special year in their sound and i don't think 85 or 86 match it. Line-up considerably changed somewhen then anyway.

no Dicks, no B'last, no Stains xp

No Slovenly (but there is one Overpass album up now)

BTW I might have posted this here already, but folks that like Ubu-ish art-rock that don't know about Slovenly need to see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvZ50kX_5t8

that Stains album is easily in my top 5 "albums SST should let someone else release because they're too awesome to effectively have just dropped off the face of the earth"

was just listening to meat puppets II yesterday, pretty amazing record.

& would love to hear that Marquee 84 Black Flag tape hint hint

II is a staggering work of genius, no folling.

http://punknotprofit.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/stains-lp.html

*fooling

Surviving You Always is MIA

That's because it was never digitised; it was never released on CD, either.

do they have the dicks' sst album up on there?

I've heard it's getting reissued on Alternative Tentacles in a few weeks - from a clean vinyl copy, since the master tapes are gone - so you might be in luck then.

That Stains album, too, will probably never see the light of day. From what I've read it was deleted months after its release in 1983. Anyone here read Razorcake? They had a feature on the Stains spread over two issues recently; I don't have them myself so I can't vouch for it.

I've heard it's getting reissued on Alternative Tentacles in a few weeks

ooh really? AWESOME. that's a great album...

I got all excited, but no Zoogz Rift. (No Mofungo either.) Damn.

was just listening to meat puppets II yesterday, pretty amazing record.

^^ best album ever.

^ sometimes, yeah

do they have the dicks' sst album up on there?

― I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:13 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

which black flag album do you mean?

Oh boy, now everyone can hear Minuteflag!

YES: black flag, minutemen/firehose, descendants, husker du, saint vitus, saccharine trust, bad brains, screaming trees

NO: p much anything else

pity the indie label that only has 8 good bands on its roster

oh n/m i thought you were talking about quality and not spotify availability haha

ha me too, was about to write something snotty about how any label would be lucky to have that many great bands over the course of a decade.

lol, sorry, they're all great! but so are the leaving trains, meat pups, opal, etc. figure they're probably going in stages, according to demand.

and the sst sonic youth stuff is up, probably through DGC/Universal

ants

ENTS

lovelovelove screaming trees' sst stuff

which Saccharine Trust album should I listen to first?

They're a band of two halves - the first two (PaganIcons, Surviving You Always) are arty hardcore, the latter with a different and jazzier rhythm section. It's my favourite. The later ones (Worldbroken, We Became Snakes) are more jazz fusion style, the former being an improv live album. Still good (and a precursor to Universal Congress Of) but a different beast.

Am giving We Became Snakes a go, it's pretty unlike most other SST stuff I've heard, with the possible exception of the jazzier end of the Minutemen.

Not surprising, since Mike Watt produced that one!

A Human Certainty from Paganicons is the obvious 'hit', i reckon. great guitar sounds.

Saccharine Trust's "Surviving You Always" is the great lost SST record, lost becuz as noted above it never was issued on cd and the label let it go out of print. The smartest decision I ever made was when I bought the whole ST collection sight-unheard in one fell swoope from my local record store. If you can find it, listen to this one first.

They are probably my favorite SST band and that's saying something. I love all four (and the live reocrd) for different reasons. Still at too, the album from 2001, "The Great One is Dead" is awesome and equally the level of their other records.

Just got email saying that Wienerworld are rereleasing a bunch of prime SST stuff (Husker Du, Flag, Brains) on vinyl. Weird. Pretty sure that the bands involved won't see any money from this...

That's especially weird since Husker Du & Black Flag have hardly ever been out of print on SST vinyl... in fact I just bought Flip Your Wig brand new a few weeks ago

Yeah I just looked at their website and they are just selling SST records.

Wienerworld?

Just looked at the SST website to see what vinyl they're selling and both Negativland SST albums are still in print. Are they big sellers or something? Slightly surprised me because most of the rest of the stuff was Black Flag, Huskers, firehose, Minutemen, Saint Vitus, Soundgarden etc and not much of the quirky less well-known stuff.

I don't know what Wienerworld is, but it makes me think of the Austrian/German fast-food chain, Wienerwald

I'd never heard of Wienerworld before either. I just have amazing powers of google.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpKRwIR-I6s ?

I am not googling wienerworld, are you crazy?

Just looked at the SST website to see what vinyl they're selling and both Negativland SST albums are still in print. Are they big sellers or something?

I would think Escape From Noise would be a super good perennial for them.

My copy of the Incredible String Band movie "Be Glad for the Song has no Ending" is a Wienerworld DVD.

It's just an awful name. The denizens of Wienerworld have very good taste, but they have to tell people they work at Wienerworld.

I just went to their website and
1) lol nice logo
2) what is this?

http://www.wienerworld.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/315x/48f6cca306dcd6327e7dec315b5a0738/w/w/wwmm265.jpg

one of SST's later signings no doubt

bassist from Painted Willie

I was pretty fond of the Kira/Mike Watt bass duo album Dos (criminally unmentioned this thread).

http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-948177-1223211537.jpeg

A less muso Hugo Largo, more or less.

Welcome to Wienerworld!

http://chicago.grubstreet.com/superdawg_fuzzygerdes.jpg

Should have been a Zoogz Rift album cover.

^not looser than clams

Nutritionally Sound of course!

Listening to fIREHOSE for the first time in a million years. I got a bit fed up with their albums somewhere along the way, but Ragin' Full On is so good. Obviously they were always going to be underpowered in comparison to D Boon's stun guitar attack, but there's so many moments where everything meshes so beautifully that, in the context of this record at least, I couldn't really give a hoot.

You Don't Know Mojack - Two Canadian punkers leisurely dissecting every SST release chronologically with the occasional interview along the way, good fun.

https://soundcloud.com/mojackpod

yes it is very charming!

old friend of mine has started work on an oral history of south bay punk — follow along over here! https://www.instagram.com/i_want_to_be_stereotyped_book/
important news from that account — we can buy the Ginn family house in Hermosa Beach for a cool $1.4 million
https://www.openlistings.com/p/1326-owosso-ave-hermosa-beach-ca-90254

https://s3st3.openlistings.com/images/properties/v2/5b4fa0d071a60957c5dd80d0/1536/950/5b4fa12180d4b1044af5c337.jpg

Amazing, it's not how I pictured it at all, I wonder if that structure at the back is where Rollins lived.

Just got email saying that Wienerworld are rereleasing a bunch of prime SST stuff (Husker Du, Flag, Brains) on vinyl. Weird. Pretty sure that the bands involved won't see any money from this...

...from what I hear, certain SST bands had the same issue even when Ginn was releasing the records! (/snark)

My favorite SST releases were by Das Damen, btw

tylerw plz keep us posted on that, sounds cool

I've been just totally obsessed with USHC lately

I mean, even more so that usual

Wienerworld?!