The The, "Dusk" C/D

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Just saw "The Secret Lives of Dentists," and a pair of "Dusk" songs are used to great effect. I've long loved this album, and even use it to test out new stereos (since it's so beautifully recorded). I also know Johnny Marr still considers it the best album he's ever worked on, and I've always given Matt Johnson enormous credit for rescuing/enlisting ABC's ace rhythm section.

For me, very classic and more so with each passing year. But where does everyone else stand?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"Love is Stronger Than Death" is classic, "Dogs of Lust"... hm.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Oddly, it's my wife's favorite ever album (next to some unmentionable crap by Van Morrison and Simply Red).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Easily Matt Johnson's best album, it really does get better as time goes by.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I still sorta prefer Infected, but Dusk is great, yes. I used to adore Mind Bomb, but there's kinda a lot of filler on it, in retrospect. Still love "Good Morning, Beautiful", though.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the finer The The releases; along with "Mind Bomb", "Soul Mining" and "Naked Soul", actually, the fairly recent one. My favourite is actually the vastly underrated "Blue Burning Soul", from 1980-81; great use of sound there. Some fine songs, and soundscapes often with a world emphasis, before "Duck Rock" or "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts". The closing "Another Boy drowning" is possibly Johnson's very finest moment.

Tom May (Tom May), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Much of "Mind Bomb" and "Infected" is great, too. But I've always thought the recorded versions were eclipsed by their rearranged, live counterparts (particularly "Infected" and "Armageddon Days are Here Again"). The songs on "Dusk," however, I feel are nearly perfect on disc, and in many ways unreplicable live.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"Love is Stronger Than Death" is classic

Actually the one song I owned by him for the longest time -- I caught him twice, both times by chance, in 1993 (first at a KROQ radio fest, then opening for Depeche Mode), and both times the performance of this song (especially the first time, solo in a spotlight) was sheer magic. (The opening of the first show was a slow, menacing version of "Infected" which is miles better than any recorded version I've heard.) [xpost with Josh on that subject!]

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic. Marr truly shines throughout, on both guitar and minimalistic harmonica...his finest hour indeed. "Slow Emotion Replay" is one really great song. I love the lyrics and the catchy chorus. "Dogs Of Lust" contains a great Colaiuta groove and The Maestro does some excellent brushwork on "Bluer Than Midnight". Guy Barker's trumpet is a nice touch as well. And the sound is pretty damn good. In my opinion, The The's best disc.

bahtology, Monday, 26 January 2004 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't heard this album. Recently I grabbed all the The The material from my college radio station for a spin. I enjoyed the first album but the later ones felt unbearably overwraught and overcooked. In what ways is Dusk similar/different from Mind Bomb and the like?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 26 January 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

this album is almost flawless. weird though I don't listen to it too much. but when I do I'm in heaven!

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 26 January 2004 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Dusk is absolutely overwrought too -- this is a Matt Johnson record, after all -- but it has the best melodies of MJ's career, and the least naff production. It easily contains Marr's best work outside of Hatful or Strangeways. Yup, I love this album.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved Infected but was always kinda ambivalent about Mind Bomb and eventually sold in during a purge period. Would I like Dusk.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 January 2004 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Dusk is an album that feels timeless, the other the The CDs I've heard haven't aged nearly as well. This one is clearly their best one, and one of the best albums of the past 15 years.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 26 January 2004 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

this album kicks ass but i hate the end songs lyrics. they are cheesy. "if you cant change the world.. change yourself!" haha anyway matt johnson is one of my faves musicians ever...

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the last album naked self is a little better than dusk. soul mining and infected own the whole career but the last one was really dark and pretty.

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i never even bothered with that one because when it came out everyone I know hated it so much. is it actually good? can others confirm?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Had all of them at one point, but Dusk is the only one still in the collection. Nuff said.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG are we approaching a consensus? Say it ain't so!

Funny, I put "Love is Stronger than Death" on a mix CD for someone just yesterday. My other favorite cut would probably be "This is the Night," but there aren't any bad songs on the album. Quite classic.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I have Infected but only ever played it once. Maybe I should listen to it again.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Dusk is very great, NakedSelf considerably less so. Mind Bomb trumps them all tho'.

Matt Johnson = most presicent singer-songwriter ever.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

guh, by presicent I mean PRESCIENT of course

retort pouch (retort pouch), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
still a great album!

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

I still prefer Mind Bomb.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

more like Stink Bomb

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

To each their own, Gear.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

so awesome still. I still can't listen to it. I guess it belongs on that thread of albums that I don't even let myself listen to I think it's so great (like OK Computer and a bunch of other stuff).

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 4 September 2005 06:44 (twenty years ago)

I guess I should give this another try. I remember being offput by what seemed like unnecessarily slick production, but maybe I'm thinking of a different album.

'Burning Blue Soul' is neat, if not as brilliant as similar efforts from the period (Eno/Byrne, Negativland, to take it to an extreme, Mnemonists, etc.). Definitely underrated.

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 4 September 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)

NAKED SELF IS GOOD

huell howser (chaki), Sunday, 4 September 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

count me among those who is now confused about his memoies of Dusk based on the above comments. I remember being so psyched that Marr was a part of it but being terribly disapointed witht he results.

To be fair, I held (and still hold) Burning Blue Soul, Mind Bomb and Infected [i even had the Infected video withh all the videos on it-- kinda wish I stlll had that] in such high regard that it was pretty much inevitable that the next album down the pike wouldn't hold up to my expectations.

Randy Reiss (undeadsinatra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

"NakedSelf" is, I think, partly good; the intention is admirable, but it doesn't really add up to a gripping record.

I still think maintain that "Burning Blue Soul" is his finest work; a concoction of great atmospheres and enigmatic 'songs'. All very autumnal, and both hazy and stark. "Another Boy Drowning", the conclusion, is possibly the greatest thing he's done, IMO. Positively canyons of guitar, on that track.

"Uncertain Smile" and "Heartland" (and certainly others on "Infected" and "Soul Mining") are masterstrokes, but I don't feel the connection with the entirety of their parent LPs. "Mind Bomb" is, as remarked, very prescient, and I feel a nostalgic connection in that in was the first Johnson record I heard, and at just about the right age. "Dusk" is very accomplished, but hmmm, perhaps lacking in the ambience of his best work. "Love is Stronger than Death" and "Slow Emotion Replay" and others I am no doubt forgetting are glorious songs, mind.

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Oddly, it's my wife's favorite ever album (next to some unmentionable crap by Van Morrison and Simply Red).

Hey! Oh, I'm not married to you. And I wouldn't actually call it my favourite record. But he has one of the best voices. Slow Train To Dawn, ft Neneh Cherry, is one of my fave duets ever.

nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Sunday, 4 September 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
This just in: "Dusk" still great.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

ALL THE THE IS!

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

"Dogs of Lust" - magnificence. And I hate The The.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

ohhhhh yes. having spent the last week giving shiny pop music a serious hammering i dropped 'dusk' into the playlist, and sure enough 'dogs of lust' kicks in and the shivers up the spine are beyond doubt.
classic album.
has matt actually retired from the music industry then ? http://www.thethe.com seems rather slim on any form of news..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 27 October 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
Somebody articulated it perfectly when they said DUSK is the only compilation to have captured heat on record. It's timeless. MIND BOMB's a great build-up to it. Loathe as I am to take anything on a film soundtrack seriously, "Darkness Falls" by TheThe on the Judge Dredd OST sounds like something straight off DUSK. NAKED SELF was a joke, sadly.

R.Hyder, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:35 (twenty years ago)

I just remembered "Helpline Operator."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:48 (twenty years ago)

i remember they used 'lung shadows' in the trailer for bad company (the fishburne/barkin/langella one, not the hopkins/rock one).

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

YES! I remember.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:13 (twenty years ago)

"i will see that movie", i thought to myself. and then i did see it. it's not bad.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:17 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

fucking terrifyingly brilliant album

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:17 (seventeen years ago)

i need to look at that cover again:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tfD8-iNmdbA/SWvfYWG08FI/AAAAAAAABps/FXDcR-d3kOc/s400/THE+THE+%27DUSK%27+Artwork.jpg

i used to love that album when it came out but after a while i found matt johnson way of singing too solemn, too sentimental, too over the top. he was trying too hard. haven't listened to that album for more than 10 years. his best album was clearly "burning blue soul" which sounds very brute and visceral. great dark & hypnotic beats. in places it has a similar gloomy vibe as the first new order "movement". "soul mining" was great as well. the light sunny side of matt johnson.

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:23 (seventeen years ago)

i spent a whole evening a few weeks ago reading the long interview that johnny marr did with matt j while reslistening to this album (and the much grittier NakedSelf)
really good/informative/funny article etc.
its on the bands website if you haven't seen it.

mark e, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 22:45 (seventeen years ago)

I'm starting to firmly believe that this and NakedSelf are up there with Infected, if not even better.

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 22:46 (seventeen years ago)

i go back to the last 2 more and more.
looking forward to matts return .. surely things are fucked up enough in '09 for him to make a new album.

mark e, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 22:50 (seventeen years ago)

The song "ShrunkenMan" off the last record is COMFORTABLY inside my decade top 20, and on my #1 decade-end CD-80. Genuinely astonishing piece of music.

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 22:51 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

actually i like mind bomb, it's not really a stink bomb. but this is a top twenty album of all time for me.

~*GAME 2 SNYPA*~ (omar little), Monday, 27 April 2009 03:22 (seventeen years ago)

i always thought slow emotion replay was like a great lost smiths song.

ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUBS WHATSOEVER, Monday, 27 April 2009 04:15 (seventeen years ago)

when you're lost and / and you're lonely / and the heat is rising / rising slowly

it's the way he enunciates it, really

sorry for british (country matters), Monday, 27 April 2009 23:04 (seventeen years ago)

How many whores have walked through that door?

My Neighbor Toronto (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 27 April 2009 23:41 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

This is the only The The thread I could find, and they're impossible to search for, so I'm reviving this one to mention Matt Johnson's new instrumental soundtrack to the film Tony, directed by his brother. Not exactly a new The The album, but looks like a nice package at a low price.

http://www.thethe.com

anagram, Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:00 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

Would love to go over a general The The C or D?/S+D thread, but just spent about fifteen minutes fiddling with the search to no avail.

I used to be a Soul Mining or Mind Bomb kind of guy, but lately (past year or so) Dusk has really moved up and become easily my favorite thing he ever did. The overtone to whole thing of feeling unable to experience true love in a world gone confusingly mad is articulated so well throughout. Seems like a bleak theme for a loose concept album, but he somehow pulls it off and makes it uplifting when 'Lonely Planet' kicks in.

Love it.

Austin, Sunday, 10 November 2013 01:15 (twelve years ago)

Jesus Christ, I started this thread almost 10 years ago.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 November 2013 04:33 (twelve years ago)

And everything you said still remains true.

Austin, Sunday, 10 November 2013 14:22 (twelve years ago)

The The: C/D, S&D

sleepingsignal, Sunday, 10 November 2013 16:10 (twelve years ago)

Infected > NakedSelf > Dusk > Soul Mining > Mind Bomb

imago, Sunday, 10 November 2013 16:11 (twelve years ago)

NakedSelf really overlooked.

Dusk has some stellar moments. Dogs Of Lust is staggering

imago, Sunday, 10 November 2013 16:12 (twelve years ago)

Soul Mining is one of the best albums by anyone ever. I'd rank them Soul Mining > Dusk > Infected > Mind Bomb. Wrote them off when they decided to do Hank Williams covers but mostly due to the horrible artwork. Guess I should get that one and Naked Self.

Has anybody heard his recent soundtrack work? Any good?

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:15 (twelve years ago)

you do indeed need nakedself.

brilliant album.

mark e, Sunday, 10 November 2013 19:37 (twelve years ago)

If he'd cooled it on the heavy breathing -- he's like a guy willing himself to sound sleazy -- I'd have said it's a good album.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 November 2013 19:49 (twelve years ago)

I like the heavy breathing. It's all about those vintage mics.

Hank Williams album and Nakedself totally worthwhile. I'm amazed Gun Sluts never leaked.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 November 2013 20:26 (twelve years ago)

i love the heavy up close vocals.
matches the intensity of the music.
you can literally hear the condensation dripping down the walls.
(as per the legend - matt had no lights, and the heating on max to push the levels of intensity in the studio)
and yes, the hank williams album fits in with the bands catalogue perfectly.
i still have regrets about the one time i had a chance to go and have a chat with matt in a pub, but nerves got the better of me.

mark e, Sunday, 10 November 2013 20:44 (twelve years ago)

two years pass...

STILL CLASSIC

All the thoughts unuttered & all the feelings unexpressed
Play upon our hearts like the mist upon our breath.

nomar, Monday, 15 February 2016 06:30 (ten years ago)

man I really need to give this a listen someday, I got off the bus after Mind Bomb

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 15 February 2016 07:41 (ten years ago)

crikey, nomar IS gear

/behind on everything

odysseus (imago), Monday, 15 February 2016 07:57 (ten years ago)

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8g4xoi7PM1qz6gl2.jpg

nomar, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 00:23 (ten years ago)

would be a dream to have this on LP but i'm not confident in the quality of the pressing relative to the high price it tends to be sold for.

nomar, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 00:25 (ten years ago)

I love Dogs of Lust so much

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 02:41 (ten years ago)

still all time slammer jam of an album but helpline operator is p cringy lyric wise. matt j was an extra in the force awakens btw and hes working on new the the music wooo!

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 02:50 (ten years ago)

one year passes...

Happy 25th birthday

omar little, Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:12 (eight years ago)

He's comin back!

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:25 (eight years ago)

And yah like I said a year ago HE WAS IN FORCE AWAKENS WTF

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:25 (eight years ago)

Jesus, my first post here was from 14 years ago.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 January 2018 20:00 (eight years ago)

two months pass...

whoa!

the neb-u-taunt ball (© roxymuzak) (sleeve), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 19:11 (eight years ago)

i know i want to cry

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 19:13 (eight years ago)

holy wow

omar little, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 19:13 (eight years ago)

i have to see if i'm in town for that L.A. show

omar little, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 19:14 (eight years ago)

this revive prompted me to check their website for merch and this shirt is ridic

https://www.thethe.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/product_i_n_infecteddevilblackt_1.jpg

omar little, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 19:14 (eight years ago)

haha amazing.

piscesx, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 19:58 (eight years ago)

Oh i only just remembered that his brother, the sleeve design and artwork chap, recently passed away.. nice to see his name on the shirt pretty prominently there. His stuff was amazing and pretty popular, especially the Soul Mining image which was always all over T shirts and such bitd.

piscesx, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 20:04 (eight years ago)

five months pass...

Just saw them in Boston last night, the first gig of their US tour. Matt sounded great, an excellent set list with a healthy dose of "Dusk". I loved the film playing behind them, a Mashup of his various music videos (lots of clips of a young Matt with hair) and stuff from "The Inertia Variations".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 15 September 2018 10:53 (seven years ago)


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