Is John Mayer really funnier than David Cross?

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Or is that jukebox jury thing in the year-end issue of Spin just a fluke? Mayer is hilarious and smart throughout; Cross falls completely flat!

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

Probably not.

However last night i saw Ryan Adams, and he felt compelled to tell everyone that David Cross is his neighbor.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

Carey's comments on John Mayer are funnier than either of them.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:55 (twenty years ago) link

I agree.

el teeny (teeny), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, did you ever get to see those Mr. Show DVDs? You have been evidincing a beef with Cross for some time now (granted, the jukebox jury thing is brutally unfunny -- but all the way around, as far as I can tell).

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

Both were sort of amusing but disappointingly rockist.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

and I've been saying Mayer's smart and hilarious in interviews on ILM for months. Nobody believes me!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:09 (twenty years ago) link

Cross is a total fuckin' schmuck, and not the least bit funny. His standards for measuring cred are at least a decade out of date.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link

Would someone care to link to this if it's on the internet or at the very least summarize?

David Allen, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

I have admittedly been procrastinating on the Mr. Show's, but I only just got a DVD player for my birthday two weeks ago, so give me time!

John Mayer is as of now hereby right up there with Dave Matthews and Les Claypool in the "wow, what a personable guy -- I could totally see getting a few beers with him if his music didn't suck" category.

I love that Anthony said "disappointingly rockist."

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

happy birthday Chuck!

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:19 (twenty years ago) link

David Cross is amazingly funny in sketch roles, but as a stand-up or in interviews (or a juke box jury) fails to impress.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

mr. show is far better via selective memory than actually watching!

(and yes, cross is a douche)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

I like his stand-up, but mainly cuz it sounds like the way me and my friends bitch about dumb shit and tell stories when we're drunk. It's not as impressive as his sketch work, but it still entertains me.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

Have you ever read his (Cross's) Playboy sex-poll interview? Some good stuff there.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

Anthony and/or Phil -- What do you think of (1) Neil Hamburger, (2) Bill Hicks, and/or (3) Jimmy Fallon? 'Cause I don't get any of them, either. They just seem dumb to me. Though maybe it's just 'cause I'm old or something. (And even older now that I had my birthday.)

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:32 (twenty years ago) link

>Anthony and/or Phil<

{Or Yancey or whoever, for that matter}

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

We're the only ones
that I know who think Bill Hicks
overrated, Chuck.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

Neil Hamburger - An acquired taste, for sure. I'm still waiting to acquire it, actually.

Bill Hicks - Needlessly over-angry. I prefer Lewis Black, because he at least makes it funny.

Jimmy Fallon - C'mon, someone's pulling your leg!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

bill hicks is impossibly overrated.

david cross needs to be shot into the sun.

< /alex in nyc>

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

Nobody thinks Jimmy Fallon is funny.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

not true
http://www.uta.edu/stuact/images/excel/jimmy_fallon.jpg

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

What people forget about Hicks is how much people like Denis Leary, Dennis Miller, and later George Carlin ripped him off.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

Which is why he's not as fresh as he should be.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

Mayer = dink

Cross = Tobias Funke!!!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

Neil Hamburger kind of amuses me for five seconds. I'd never buy any but I like playing those short amazon clips for disbelieving friends. Bill Hicks entertains me in the same way Cross does. It's totally indulgent but so are conversations with my friends.

Jimmy Fallon does have talent (he was great in "Almost Famous") but having Lorne Michaels tongue stuck up his ass isn't helping him improve (I haven't watched SNL in years but some of the last ones I saw had him frequently being "Jimmy Fallon" rather than actually playing a part). Plus he laughs at his own shit and settles for cuteness FAR too often. But he can do a decent impersonation and "Idiot Boyfriend" was amusing.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Re: Hicks.

Maybe true, but I didn't even think he was all that funny when he was alive.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Forget about Mr. Show, forget about the standup, his role as Tobias Funke on Arrested Development is the best thing David Cross has ever done.

I'm not kidding around.

He's not even the best thing about that show, either.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck if yer looking for more Mayer personability check out his "Dear Superstar" column in the last Blender if you haven't already. He admits to going to high school dressed like Jimi Hendrix! Dear Superstar is basically a couple pages of a celebrity answering questions. I'm impressed by the people they've gotten: Dave Grohl, Dave Matthews, David Lee Roth, Meat Loaf, Angus Young...all hilarious!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

Someone, anyone: name ten stand-up comedians whose material is still funny five years later. Cross had that elephant piss story that was pretty good, and a couple of anecdotes on Shut Up You Fucking Baby make me chuckle, but I have to drop my standards to name more than five or six stand-up comedians whose presence endures longer than the headlines informing their set.

Bill Hicks was never funny. His attempts at topical/political humor were so far behind the times it's untrue. In short, he was not that bright. Ryko's efforts to portray him as a misunderstood genius toiling against an ignorant, conservative society are revisionism at its worst. Detestable.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

Here's something I never thought I'd say: "Chris Ott OTM"

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

I agree about Hicks. I've never understood why some people get so worked up about him - he's so dull and boring to me, and his work has aged horribly. It plays well to people who want to think they are rebels or some bullshit, but it's really tired and not very creative comedy.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

The anxiety of influence...blah, blah, blah.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 December 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link

ten:
brother dave gardner
moms mabley
pigmeat markham
sam kinison
bill cosby
redd foxx
junior samples
slappy white
whitey ford the duke of paducah
chris rock

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

note: hicks NOT on the list

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

He's not a misunderstood genius, he's a fairly inspired bitter fuck. Though evidently I've got a high tolerance for repetitive rants. Hell, I love Chuck's books.

yo, cinniblount where's Richard Pryor?! don't tell me I'm gonna have to explain why I like HIM here.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

RICHARD PRYOR

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

whoops, xpost

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

i had redd foxx and bill cosby, pryor felt like he was covered somewhere in there

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

parts of Shut Up! made me laugh really hard, so I like him. but you're right, Mayer is WAY more on target in that Spin thing.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

Mayer's comment about a rise in "blurb music" really pissed me off.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

why, Anthony?

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

haha - did you read michelle shocked (shocked! - c. rains) in usa today last week? with the death of the album the future of the music industry is 'nothing but novelty songs'! oh no! i was hoping they would get cledus t. judd to offer up a rebuttal.

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

duh, he writes for blender matos (j/k)

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:28 (twenty years ago) link

I was tempted to make that joke myself, but I am genuinely curious, in part because I don't remember the quote offhand.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:30 (twenty years ago) link

oh, now I remember it. nevermind. and that USA Today thing was so fucking ridiculously embarrassing

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, what was the blurb comment? I forget that one....

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

Surprised you guys weren't bugged too. I forget the song its in reference to but Mayer goes on and on about people not writing actual SONGS these days, just catchphrases and loops.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

both of them were way too "oh the horrible state of radio" for my tastes.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

Crazytown was much cooler a year or two ago when they reviewed singles. I never would have known some people think Coldplay's "Yellow" was about an STD!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

Mayer goes on and on about people not writing actual SONGS these
days

Why does this man provide the rope with which to hang himself?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I vaguely remember that. Maybe it didn't bother me because it's exactly what I'd EXPECT the guy to say; it was his more surprising stuff that stood out. The predictable whining went right by me, and whenever I laughed it was Mayer--not Cross, who was NEVER funny.

I remember Kittie being real funny a year or two ago. But maybe I'm wrong.

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 23:44 (twenty years ago) link

kittie WAS funny! Especially since their quotes were off-set by that bedwetter Moby. I believe Crazytown shared the screen with that other one-great-single-rest-is-total-shit band Buckcherry.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:45 (twenty years ago) link

...who actually made two good albums, but never mind.

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 23:46 (twenty years ago) link

That you can enjoy a song by Crazytown besides "Butterfly" (which was possibly the best single of that year) is beyond me.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:47 (twenty years ago) link

I only love ONE other Crazytown song -- the one where the amazing Shifty Shelshock talks about all the girls who go through his revolving door some never come back some come back for more. (It was Buck Cherry who I think have two good albums, not Crazytown.)

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

They call him Shifty Capone; he makes them moan!

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 23:50 (twenty years ago) link

Coincidentally I finally decided to get rid of my copy of Time Bomb today. The riffs are alright but I find the singer really grating (lyrics uninspired too). They're going for G'N'R and end up sounding like a more obnoxious Black Crowes. I like the cocaine song and "Ridin'" though.

Did you hear Shifty's collabo with Paul Oakenfold! I really liked it! I wish he'd drop the moaning and the sludge band and just rap!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

I always thought Buck Cherry sounded like Black Crowes but BETTER! The GnR intention (assuming it was there) was immaterial to me. But that song about movies on their debut is more like OASIS but better.

And yeah, I think I heard the Shifty/Oakenfeld thing once and liked it.

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

I'll admit they're better than Oasis but I'll probably take the best Black Crowes songs over all Buckcherry except the two I already mentioned. I'd rather some guy mooing lovey-dovey than shrieking about "bitches and money." I wish the Buckcherry dude had a tenth of Steven Tyler's wit. Or if he's determined to be so belligerent, Axl's.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

I wish Steve Tyler still had one tenth of Steve Tyler's wit.

As for Buckcherry, I never listened to the words. I admit that several songs may not be as good to shoot pool to as "Hard to Handle," for whatever that's worth. (Actually, I never listened to Black Crowes' words either, come to think of it.)

chuck, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:04 (twenty years ago) link

i like bill hicks, davis cross, AND crazytown. but i don't like john mayer, jimmy fallon, dennis miller, dave grohl, coldplay or moby.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

What about Buckcherry and Black Crowes, Scott???? Anyway, I guess my point is that Black Crowes could have AFFORDED to be more obnoxious. Give or take the great Otis cover, they were always too tasteful for my tastes, anyway.

chuck, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:09 (twenty years ago) link

rich kids go figure

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:11 (twenty years ago) link

haha so that WAS you who wrote the By Your Side review for SPIN, Chuck! And you gave 'em a 7, which is a fairly decent grade (esp. since they had streamlined their sound a bit thank god).

I only mentioned Dave Grohl as being funny in interviews, Scott. I wasn't referring to the Foo discography.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:11 (twenty years ago) link

chuck, you should rent one of those mr.show compilation dvd's. their music skits are some of the funniest bits. wicked scepter. marilyn monster. the two megaphone singers from the 20's who sing songs about recent inventions who have a battle concert where they have to invent something and then sing a song about it. i still think that show is really funny. but i like silly stuff.

i like the black crowes okay.they could be boring though. i would rather listen to country music or old boogie rock. i have amorica but i think i only listened to it once. buckcherry i only remember a video by and well i can't really remember.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

Spin always changed those grades anyway. (Actually, I still own the Crowes' best of album, and anticipate keeping it, though I haven't played it for two years.)

chuck, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

dave grohl actually seems like a nice enough guy and he likes good music which is why it perplexes me that he insists on making such bad music himself. he was in a well-regarded hardcore band that i never cared about. but so was moby.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:16 (twenty years ago) link

Scott, I will take your advice as always. But here's my REAL David Cross question: Do I look like him, or not??? (At least five people, including somebody on this board when I wasn't looking, have claimed that I do, independently of each other. But I don't believe them. Since for one thing, I have HAIR, right???)

chuck, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Grohl is on my friendly-seeming guys whose music sucks list, too. (I always forget about him, because his music sucking pisses me off way more than Matthews' or Mayer's or Claypool's music sucking.)

chuck, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:19 (twenty years ago) link

you don't look like him. you both wear glasses. you are both funny. that's about all i can see.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

david cross has really pedestrian indie-rock tastes but i don't hold that against him. lotsa people with great musical tastes probably wouldn't know funny if it hit them over the head.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

Rap: The Musical! Featuring no rap music! Open up your heart and let the rap shine in!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

Run, Ronnie, Run is worth renting just for the 3 Times One Minus One video alone. "Erotic magazines...erotic tangerines...erotic letters from Ben Vereen!"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

but wait, don't mention run ronnie run cuz if chuck rents that he will never rent mr.show. even bob and david dismiss it on their web-site. although i thought it was kinda okay. kinda like brain candy. just nowhere as funny as the show. yeah, i like all the songs from the show too. the new san francisco song. the one the milking machine sings at the end of the travelling salesman musical.all of them.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 01:02 (twenty years ago) link

yeah rent Mr. Show first, natch. That said fans of Mr. Show should appreciate the stuff that comes out of Bob and David's mouths in Run Ronnie Run, if not what any other character ever says.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 01:06 (twenty years ago) link

Mr. Show can't touch Kids in the Hall. It was funnier, edgier, far more creative and even the one-off characters were better-developed than most sketch comics ever come up with. (Not that sketch comedy is such a great field.) Someday Rhino will lovingly rerelease KITH on DVD and everyone'll dig it again.

David Cross is tedious. His lack of enthusiasm in his own material made his comedy album a slog. At least Bill Hicks could convey rants and self-hatred with a smile and some honest effort. (If Hicks' anti-establishment, anti-GOP anger strikes a nerve with me, does that mean I'll vote for Dean? Just curious.)

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 01:42 (twenty years ago) link

KITH destroys Mr. Show, that is a laughable comparison. KITH was Python caliber.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck all y'all.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 01:53 (twenty years ago) link

I totally agree. (and psst...the first season of KITH on DVD is now available to order online, and will be in stores in the spring)

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

>KITH destroys Mr. Show, that is a laughable comparison. KITH was Python caliber.<

But The Goon Show destroyed Python, right? (At least I used to think so.)

chuck, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

Then I've gotta track down some Goon Show ... after I go preorder myself some KITH!

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:04 (twenty years ago) link

KITH destroys Mr. Show, that is a laughable comparison. KITH was Python caliber.

I can't agree with this, really. Both shows had some dizzying highs and real blahs.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:08 (twenty years ago) link

i love mr.show AND The Kids In The Hall AND monty python AND the ben stiller show AND the ernie kovacs show AND the goon show AND beyond the fringe AND the muppet show AND the upright citizen's brigade. they are all really really funny. they all kill each other.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

and Run Ronnie Run is more consistently entertaining than Brain Candy.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

and i fucking love sctv. where is my 10 dvd box set!!!!!!!!??????

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:13 (twenty years ago) link

I love both shows like a would a family member (seriously)!!! I hate this "David Cross ain't really funny" shit. Y'all make me sad, sad, sad.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:17 (twenty years ago) link

now that bob saget. he slays me.

Christian Rawk (Christian Rawk), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:31 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, this is probably the first thread to inspire actual anger in me. Really weird.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:36 (twenty years ago) link

Don't fret. I've calmed down.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:36 (twenty years ago) link

Bash Jimmy Fallon all you guys want, though. No problem with that.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:38 (twenty years ago) link

tina fey: bob odenkirk :: david cross : jimmy fallon

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

ie. 'the one that's actually funny'

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

you don't wanna RILE me, cinniblount.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

anyhow i glanced at this tonight and, i spose this dates to alan light's editorialship though correct me if i'm wrong (maybe whenever bob jr. sold it), but is anyone who remembers spin in the eighties when it was able to note and pay attention to the underground AND still write intelligently and take pop seriously without any (in comparison to 80s rolling stone at least) rockist baggage or kneejerk corny indie fuxxtosis? did alt-rock (which played into spin's strengths cuz it - unlike rolling stone - was actually paying attention to this music pre-nevermind) warp spin's demographics and catering to it (in that they finally knew just what their demographic was) so much that it's unsalvageable?

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

I read a bunch of 1990-on SPIN recently (earliest had Jon Bon on the cover) and I hope to god you're describing some period before then. It might have been better than Rolling Stone but jeezus what ain't.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

Bob Odenkirk is definitely more underrated. He's a really talented comedy writer and performer and more versatile than David Cross. I still think Cross is funny as hell, though.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

though the one 80s SPIN article I've read is the one by Meltzer about Springsteen, which is fucking awesome ("an issue about Bruce? what are you cover next issue, Garfield the cat?")

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

i don't think they know what their demographic is anymore. they are schizo. well, i guess they must know who buys the thing-they pay people to figure that stuff out-but it doesn't always seem as if they do.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

x-post typo: covering next issue

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

i mean the reason i loved spin as a kid (and maybe it really wasn't much better than - though i doubt it very much) was that they GOT madonna and rob base and husker du whereas rolling stone only even acknowledged the existence of one of those acts (madge) and even then only becuz she was really, really, really famous, not like they could tell you how 'lucky star' was great or what was great about it.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i'm referring more to mid to late eighties

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

who does chuck klosterman appeal to? i mean age-wise or any-wise.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

x-post re: cinniblount meaning late eighties

thank god, I like that Mark Blackwell, Jonathan Bernstein and Jim Greer are now writing such films as Max Keebler's Big Move - though Bernstein's movie reviews and book Pretty In Pink weren't bad.

non-xpost re: klosterman
I actually think Klosterman writes some of the most entertaining interviews out there. He's not afraid to ask the stupid questions that force the interviewee to answer with some thought.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:53 (twenty years ago) link

i mean that list issue they did lately (haha - which one?) was fucking dire and lists were something they used to be really really good at (see that pink issue with jim morrison on the cover or their rebuttals to rolling stone's singles and albums lists)

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:53 (twenty years ago) link

i'm thinking more byron coley, legs mcneil (who i luv so nyah), and, mainly, john leland john leland john leland

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

I think I'm the only guy who liked the list issue.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

i've gotten my ERT(estimated reading time) of Spin down to 10 minutes. last issue of magnet:4.3 minutes.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:02 (twenty years ago) link

I will admit that the last two issues I bought of SPIN the penultimate one (Dashboard Confessional on cover) I just got to read at Pizza Hut while in NY a few months ago and threw away. I just bought the Best of 03 one and I totally regret buying it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

this reminds me (since i think he'll look at this thread again) MATOS!: there's a neat thing with griel marcus in the new artforum on lists

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i think in the past six, seven years the only issue of spin i've bought has been the year end issue and i stopped doing that when they broke up the 'best albums of the year' into a 'top twenty' and then 'editor's pick' (so who picked the top twenty?), plus they got rid of the 'top ten albums YOU haven't heard you stupid suburban fuck' which maybe was a ridiculous concept for a list but were alot more interesting than the usual 'let's codify this year stat' nonsense.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:09 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, saw the Artforum.

the pink Jim Morrison cover was actually a different set of lists--the top 25 albums and 100 singles were a year before. but I LOVE those lists, and Spin at that period, and fucking JOHN LELAND's singles column, which I have been looking at a lot lately in preperation for the year-end issue, just to see how you DO it, y'know? he's one of the best critics ever.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

(also I think I'm gonna start doing a mix CD every month in the Weekly)

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:11 (twenty years ago) link

haha Anthony you should start a thread in which we all insert the answer to you saying "I think I'm the only guy who liked _______"

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:14 (twenty years ago) link

should i even ask if i'm the only person who thinks that rolling stone is a more entertaining read ever since they decided to try and keep up with the blenders? i actually find myself reading stuff in it. and i always like the non-music stuff which was always their strong point anyway-killer kids, death squads, etc. and i like the idea of christian hoard being the cameron crowe of a new era.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:17 (twenty years ago) link

I liked it better right after all the ex-Details folks (Sheffield especially) got in there, '98-'01 or so. (almost said "took over" but you can never really "take over" RS, it's always gonna be RS)

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:19 (twenty years ago) link

should i even ask if i'm the only person who thinks that rolling stone is a more entertaining read ever since they decided to try and keep up with the blenders? - no i totally agree with this

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

i just detect a certain loosening of the necktie which could be completely phoney and transparent, but when all is said and done i don't really care if it is phoney and transparent cuz it's still somehow refreshing in a way.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:22 (twenty years ago) link

thing is, I noticed that in the period right before Blenderizing, and to me it's a lost some of that, not gained

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:23 (twenty years ago) link

i actually view R.S. a lot like i view SNL. it can be an awful fucking trainwreck that makes you want to spit, but it's OUR awful fucking trainwreck that makes you want to spit.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:25 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't watched SNL in ages; maybe it isn't mine anymore. And even though I occasionally write something for RS, I sort of feel the same way.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:26 (twenty years ago) link

i mean i bemoan the shortening of the interviews since that was one thing i liked about rolling stone, and they're actually not any less political than they were for the past twenty years, maybe more so even (probably cuz of all the media columns devoted to 'rolling stone's gonna be just a lifestyle mag now' - haha "now") if not as smart (bye bye greider). i mean two timberlake covers might feel like overkill but it also feels pretty damn accurate in terms of '2003 - here tis' though i'm still wondering if missy elliot's ever gonna actually get a rolling stone or spin cover (and not just as part of an ensemble portrait) even if it wouldn't mean 1/10th as much as it would've two nevermind six years ago.


x-post - i agree it seemed maybe a bit more popist pre-blenderising (when sheffield reigned supreme i guess).

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:27 (twenty years ago) link

I totally think Blender is the best glossy music mag out there right now. And while I'd feel that way even if I wasn't writing for them, I totally would have never bothered to open it up the first time if I wasn't.

And they'll give David Lee Roth four pages to answer questions from readers! RAWK!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:28 (twenty years ago) link

Though I hate Blender's determination to put the word BLENDER in the place of I. They'll have a picture of Neil Strauss and Ludacris slapping girls' asses, which is wrong in and of itself, but even wronger when the caption is "Blender and Ludacris...". I much prefer SPIN trying to make Klosterman into some kind of modern day Lester Bangs celebrity.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:30 (twenty years ago) link

i think i just meant that if i didn't have RS and SNL to complain about the world would seem emptier somehow.and i actually don't even have cable anymore since we moved, but i can certainly imagine how bad snl is sucking.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:38 (twenty years ago) link

oh scott then you missed
Al Sharpton dancing this week
on the damn good foot--

he NAILED JB,
sang "I Feel Good" like a god.
the rest, though, did suck.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:48 (twenty years ago) link

The answer is "no"
I believe Christopher Cross
was far more funky

Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link

henny youngman
lenny bruce
fields and may (doctor, doctor, doctor!)
richard pryor
woody allen
gene wilder
eugene levy
wayans brothers
drew carey

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 09:31 (twenty years ago) link

good comedians have more "y"s in their names than normal people.

proven by SCIENCE!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, I never expected this thread to get past 12 posts.

Anyway, I still laugh a lot at Bill Hicks. Not the political stuff as much as the porn stuff and a long track on one of his CDs where he just assaults the audience for about five straight minutes.

And I'm another one who likes Rolling Stone better now than I have at any time since I first picked it up, in junior high. (The first issue I ever bought had Michael Douglas on the cover. I should have been warned by that, but somehow wasn't.)

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and I agree with Chuck about Buckcherry. Both albums are very good, especially the song "Porn Star" on Time Bomb.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

While I'm sure we've already had this thread, I'll go over everything I've wanted to say

--Mr. Show is pretty good, but before the third season were very inconsistant and occasionally terrible.
--David Cross's appearances on every award show ever, AND his new DVD with some of the most ufnunny segue bits ever make me sad for him
--Kids in the Hall was excellent, and is just about tied with the Upright Citizen's Brigade with best sketch comedy show ever
--However, having re-watched the Ben Stiller show and episodes of the State I can say that are completely unfunny
--SCTV is the most overrated show of all time
--MadTV was never funny
--The first 5 years of SNL DO live up to the hype
--Same with Python
--For my money, Chris Rock is the funniest working stand up comedian, however Cross's stand up was top notch. He's a great performer, even if Odenkirk is a better writer.

David Allen, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i was really stunned the first time i saw one of the original snl's uncut. every sketch was one of 'those' sketches - practically no filler, the musical bits felt alot looser and not quite as pr driven (the music performances on it now don't feel that different from leno), and the show as a whole just felt alot looser and younger.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

the old "golden years" of snl just looks tired to me now, but maybe i've just seen that stuff too much or something. I forgot to mention Mad TV. I love Mad TV and it has been better than SNL for years. I find it inspiring. and SCTV overrated? by who? it hardly ever gets mentioned anymore. out of sight, out of mind. i am hoping for some dvd action. they had some of the most gifted comedians in the world on that show. i dunno, i grew up with it and i feel like it really helped to shape me in a lot of ways along with the other zillion things i won't go on and on about here. you know, the usual suspects:Mad, Natlamp, Creem, Woody Allen, Jack Douglas, Charles Addams, Don Martin, Gahan Wilson, Richard Pryor, etc, etc. SCTV was a wonder to me. and a wonder that it lasted as long as it did.
But you know, looking at this thread, you never can tell what different people will find funny. I think it's easier to take a guess at what kind of music someone might like or what kind of book if given a few examples of someone's taste. Comedy is different somehow. I think.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

yeah I dunno, I'm often pretty dissapointed by those old snls, when you realize they did "samurai dude" like every freaking episode

all great comedy shows look shitty when you just watch random episodes though, practically nothing was good enough to hit every time

sctv in the good years comes closest for me tho

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 18:33 (twenty years ago) link

Sitcoms at political events: classic or dud?

Dean Objects to Ethnic Humor at a Comedyfest in His Honor

By JODI WILGOREN
305 words
9 December 2003
The New York Times
Late Edition - Final
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English
(c) 2003 New York Times Company

About 200 people who donated $250 each to Howard Dean's presidential campaign gathered last night in the ballroom of the Metropolitan Pavilion in Chelsea for an evening of dessert and comedy and a greeting from their candidate.

But as the warm-up acts told bawdy jokes and used epithets referring to African-Americans and homosexuals, the guest of honor was in a room next door wondering whether he should appear onstage.

When the M.C., Kate Clinton, introduced Dr. Dean, she had to stall for a few minutes, because he was still fuming in the other room. A few minutes later, he tooke the stage and apologized for what he called offensive language. ''I just don't have much tolerance for ethnic humor,'' he said. ''We are all one community.''

The raunchy one-liners, delivered mainly by the comedian David Cross, were typical comedy club fare, but unusual for a political event. Mr. Cross is known for using profanity in his act.

Judy Gold, who appeared before Mr. Cross, had also told ethnic jokes. The actress and comedian Janeane Garofalo also appeared at the event, which was part of a day of fund-raisers that netted more than $1 million for the Dean campaign.

The jokes got mixed reactions from the mostly white crowd. Some snickered and some shook their heads at what they said were inappropriate remarks. But Dr. Dean and his staff were not amused.

''That's not the kind of humor that has any place in the governor's campaign,'' said a spokesman, Doug Thornell, adding that the comedians had all been ''given instructions to keep it clean.''

''The governor was incensed and angry,'' Mr. Thornell said. ''He thought the language was totally outrageous.''

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

I love Mad TV and it has been better than SNL for years.

I once saw a skit on Mad TV that was literally this:

It was a parody of one of those TV workout aerobics show, but, HERES THE CATCH, the lady who was instructing it HAD GAS! So they played fart noises every time she would bend or move! Oh what hilarity!

That sad thing is . . . that is actually funnier than anything from the past 5 years of SNL.

David Allen, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

Also, I'd like to hear exactly what Cross said at the Dean event.

David Allen, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

Since my name was unsolicitedly invoked earlier in this thread by a notorious axe-grinder, I feel the need to weigh in. David Cross can be funny, but I much prefer his erstwhile partner, Bob Odenkirk. John Mayer, however, is the one who needs to be shot into the sun. Big, gummy, slobbering head first.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

snl still has its moments! the ep with kirsten dunst and eminem from last year was nearly flawless.

g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link

>It was a parody of one of those TV workout aerobics show, but, HERES THE CATCH, the lady who was instructing it HAD GAS! So they played fart noises every time she would bend or move! Oh what hilarity!

This sounds like another MadTV sketch I saw awhile back, about a male stripper hired to dance for a bachelorette party. He comes in dressed as a construction worker, and gradually strips down. But when he pulls off his jeans, he reveals that he's wearing two huge, horrifying (think Marilyn Manson's "Beautiful People" video) leg braces. He begins to stiffly move around, attempting to lap-dance the bride-to-be while still wearing orthopedic gear, and the women all look totally horrified, but try to overcome it. It was fucking hilarious.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

George Carlin ripped off Bill Hicks?

earlnash, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

george carlin is one of those i never "got".

but dave q to thread to praise cheech and chong!

"Cheech & Chong's Next Movie"

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:04 (twenty years ago) link

What's not to get about George Carlin? The man's a genius.

Conversely, I never "got" Cheech & Chong. I mean, I get it: they're stoned. But is there anything more than that?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

he has credited people like chris rock for giving him renewed energy and inspiration for stand-up and for his latter-day fuck-everybody-people-are-so-fucking-stupid-rant-and-rage style.a couple of those hbo specials are great. don't know if he mentioned hicks but it makes sense.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

i think i like subtle gentle humor sometimes. wilder's sense of existential *weight* and these sad looks he makes with his eyes are some of the greatest bits in any of his films, and play perfectly with mel brooks' stuff. chevy chase had some of this at his best too.

i mean its also humor that says "look at me i am trying to make you laugh and be weird and engaging" not like all this meta-humor shtick.

i am a humor rockist! why can't people just tell jokes, like henny youngman did?

(also the caddyshacks are brilliant but perhaps the only good things rodney ever did?)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

did seinfeld kill the great tradition of jewish humor?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:11 (twenty years ago) link

he tried so hard to distinguish himself and set himself apart from that whole catskills circuit, extinguish the vaudeville roots, etc.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:12 (twenty years ago) link

one of the thing i have always loved about mad tv is that not one person on that show-EVER-has shown any fear of looking or acting like a complete moron/idiot/doofus/jerk when the situation calls for it. They go above and beyond in true mad magazine fashion. most people on snl look like they are scared of their own shadow. i dunno what they are afraid of. that they won't get a movie deal? that they won't look good? good comedy should be fearless. when mad tv spoofs pop culture they take it to cartoon extremes. snl is so milquetoast.will farrell would be one exception.he should have been on mad tv.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

but seinfeld didn't come from the catskills circuit, he came from the comedy club circuit.he is a product of the yuk yuks and funnybones traditon. seinfeld the show is certainly in the jewish humour tradition.

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

>most people on snl look like they are scared of their own shadow.<

Mad TV:Rolling Stone :: Saturday Night Live:Spin

Though really, "Mad TV " (which, judging from the episodes of both I've seen over the past couple years, does indeed blow *SNL* out of the water these days no contest) might even be more like *Creem* or something (which maybe *SNL* was, once upon a time, who knows.)

Anyway, my point is that Spin has always seemed scared of its own shadow to me, too. Back when I used to freelance for both mags, Spin (who were always afraid of seeming uncool, hence no negative Pavement or Jon Spencer reviews in the mid'90s and no positive Spin Doctors ones, etc) *always* fucked with my reviews; Rolling Stone rarely did.

chuck, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:22 (twenty years ago) link

how do you see that scott?

(the krusty-goes-sienfeld episode of the simpsons totally nailed the difference for me)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

(I mean *Creem* was probably hugely influened by *Mad* too, you know?)

I liked George Carlin more than Cheech and Chong back in eighth grade in the '70s, though like everybody else in my class, I had more albums by both of them at the time than by any people who made music.

chuck, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

re: sienfeld i mean its like he's got this *fear* of the everyday in his observational deal that carries through in the sitcom. the tradition as a whole i see as much richer and more forgiving. like its the cutting power of laughter with jerry, but not its power to renew.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:29 (twenty years ago) link

more forgiving? you need to watch more marx brothers and mel brooks movies. and there is a richness to seinfeld in the way that they steal from just about every jewish comedian who ever lived. There is myron cohen in that show and mel brooks and the marx brothers and woody allen and guilt and mother jokes and extensive delvings into florida condo life unrivalled in the history of situation comedies and duplicitous rabbis and snooty wasps played for laughs and more guilt and self-loathing and desperation and humorous takes on all the deadly sins and religion and fear of religion and george's parents who aren't jewish but might as well be and jerry's family and dyanamic wordplay and nostalgia for comic books and baseball a la robert klein and kvetching and kvelling and shmucks and putzs and machers and mahoffs and slapstick and stand-up and funny accents and hilarious 40's-era faux-gangster talk right out of the dead end kids and bobka and marble rye and a soup nazi and loveable losers and a fear and awe of shiksas and...well, you get the idea. not that i have a working definition of jewish humor or what makes a jewish comedian: just many years of observation. malamud would have been a fan. i wonder if bellow is? oh, and a dentist converts to judaism for the jokes. for the jokes!!!

scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

I've rarely seen the show, but I saw a Randy Newman parody once on Mad TV. I've gotta give 'em props.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

i can't look or listen to randy newman without thinking of mad tv. kenny rogers too.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

seward, that was beautiful.

but i love the marx brothers and mel brooks and have seen LOTS of their movies. i guess the difference is that in the marx brothers or something when things go mad, you cheer it on, like its very much this mennipean absurdist anti-stick-up-ass type thing. in sienfeld when things go mad, its sorta horrifying, much more in a comedy-of-manners jane austin sort of way?

the best homage to harpo that i've seen in the last ten years, by the way, is I Need $ in How High. There's loads more scenes with him in the DVD version.

I've never seen a good homage to Zeppo.

:-(

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

OK, I picked up the issue this thing appears in expecting something on the level of Run Ronnie Run unfunny, but aside from his dismissal of Junior Senior and Justin Timberlake I thought he wasn't as dickheaded as everyone's bitching about him being. Plus his reaction to Liam Lynch's "United States of Whatever" and that Limp Bizkit song were priceless. And me not see "rockist"! He even said "there's nothing wrong with pop if it's done right" and gave ups to "well crafted simple songs".

Seriously, when all is said and done, at least can we go away with the general consensus that Cross >>>>>>> Klosterman?

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 13 December 2003 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

Hm...I don't know, these days I think I would cross the street to avoid both.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 December 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
So a couple weeks ago while I was seeing some bands at Sin-E', yet another person (#15 or #20 by count), somebody who I'd never met before, told me that I look like David Cross. Which is ridiculous, judging from all the photos of the guy I've seen -- I mean, for one thing, he's bald and I'm not. Anyway, this guy specifically said I look like Cross in *Run Ronnie Run,* a movie I'd never heard of before. So okay, I'm at Blockbuster a few days later, and I decide what the hell, I'll rent the thing. Took it home, and it was UNBELIEVABLY NOT FUNNY AT FUCKING ALL. Just the most inept, most obvious, most sub-*Hee Haw*, sub Mojo Nixon, making-fun-of-hillbilly stereotype jokes I've ever seen. Watched it for about 45 minutes, and said fuck it, life's too short for this lame shit, so instead I put on *About Schmidt* with Jack Nicholson, which was a LOT funnier, and it's not even a comedy! So: I continue to believe David Cross has no talent whatsoever. And he also looks not a damn thing like me. At all.

chuck, Monday, 19 April 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

I met Chuck once...at a FAP at Siberia in midtown. He looks nothing like David Cross.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago) link

bob odenkirk sucks miller genuine draft's glass teat.

I'm reminded of bill hicks' "'artists' who do commercials" bit.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

I don't htink anyone liked, Run Ronnie Run, Chuck.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, I'm glad to know that the reason you hate David Cross is because you're old and bald too. You guys should team up!

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

Not even David Cross!

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

x-post

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

Track listing for the new/upcoming (I don't care enough to know the street date, or if the thing's even actually out right now) Cross CD, It's Not Funny:

1. Certain Leaders in Government Look or Act like Certain Pop Culture References!

2. Women, Please Rinse Off Your Vagina and Anus!

3. A Rapid Series of Comical Noises!

4. I've Taken a Popular Contemporary Pop Song and Changed the Lyrics to Comment on the Proliferation of Starbucks in My Neighborhood!

5. Although Indigent, Rural Families Have Little to Say in the Matter, Third Rate Public Education Has Kept Them Ignorant and Thus, Great Sources of Ridicule!

6. My Child is Enthralling, Especially When It Says Something Unexpectedly Precocious Even Though It Doesn't Understand What It Just Said!

7. My Immigrant Mom Talks Funny!

8. When It Comes to Jews, Behavior One Might Perceive as Obnoxious and Annoying I Present as "Quirky" but It's Okay to Joke About It Because I, Myself, Am Jewish!

9. Pandering to the Locals!

10. Even Though I Am in the Closet, That Won't Prevent Me from Getting Cheap Laughs at the Expense of Homosexuals!

11. Weathermen Have Become, for the Most Part, Obsolete!

12. When All is Said and Done, I am Lonely and Miserable and Barely Able to Mask My Contempt for the Audience as I Trot Out the Same Sorry Act I've Been Doing Since the Mid-Eighties!

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 19 April 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

It isn't out yet. May, I believe. Also, what's your point?

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

Cross is Jewish?

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 19 April 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

Oh come on the 3x1-1 video was pretty funny in that film.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

this is what i wrote earlier on this thread, chuck! You should have read it:


but wait, don't mention run ronnie run cuz if chuck rents that he will never rent mr.show. even bob and david dismiss it on their
web-site. although i thought it was kinda okay. kinda like brain candy. just nowhere as funny as the show. yeah, i like all the songs
from the show too. the new san francisco song. the one the milking machine sings at the end of the travelling salesman musical.all of
them.

-- scott seward (skotro...), December 9th, 2003.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

Cross frequently talks about being Jewish, Stockholm Cindy

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

Also, those tracklistings aren't necessarily representative of what will be on the disc. With the last CD, he made up goofy track titles for the bits that had little to do with the material and this looks like it could be more of the same.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with Chuck. I checked out his website and this guy is not funny at all. www.davidcross.com

I mean, what's funny about this:

"The key to a successful project?
I believe this depends on four main factors: the questions you ask, the decisions you make, a clear plan and the people on your team...working together."

I mean, I see his point, but I think he could have "said it funnier."

Re: Phil's post: His track listings were the funniest part of his last record, I thought. Glad to see he is continuing his streak.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

"Questions are the answers" is a good bit though; you've got to give him that.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

Also, The David Cross is my favorite emo band.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

"but wait, don't mention run ronnie run cuz if chuck rents that he will never rent mr.show. even bob and david dismiss it on their
web-site."

oops! ok, scott, just for you, i promise i will prove you wrong and rent mr. show someday regardless. (but my real question for you and michaelangelo is: DO i look like him, or what? and if so, how???) again, contrary to lisafrank!'s opinion, which seems partly based on poor reading comprehension, i HAVE HAIR. (i AM slightly old, however.)

chuck, Monday, 19 April 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

you don't really look like him at all.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sorry. My reading comprehension is poor. I just wanted to be on the team of guys who have personal agendas and ignore facts and make grand statements based on things that they have not seen or heard but are ultimately trivial. So, I win. WE ARE FRIENDS AGAIN

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, I haven't seen you but I'm pretty sure you're bald.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck's thinning a little bit on top but otherwise he's got a pretty healthy head of hair, actually.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

It's ok. As long as I don't see him, I can pretend he's bald. Maybe I should even start a thread on it.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

suggested title: Is Chuck Eddy Really Balder Than David Cross?

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 19 April 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.rockcritics.com/ceddy_society_living_chuck.jpg
There is a modicum of David Crossitude here

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

holy shit!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 19 April 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

New Thread: "I haven't seen Chuck Eddy but I'm pretty sure he's bald" (xposts)

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

Cross frequently talks about being Jewish, Stockholm Cindy

yeah, i haven't really paid much attention to his standup. obviously i'm surprised because of the "cross" thing.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

David Cross is somewhat attractive though. Facial symmetry and what not. Chuck you should've hit that guy.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with Chuck. I checked out his website and this guy is not funny at all. www.davidcross.com

Cross's standup and writing, etc... (i.e. stuff AS David Cross, himself) is generally pretty terrible. But his improv and character work is outstanding. I think half the reason I like Mr. Show so much is that Cross seems like this guy who would do terrible, rant-y, non-charcter material is so good at creating substantial characters.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

listening to cross's cd was one of the most excruciating drives i've ever sat through

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

stand up is the lowest of all arts

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

Not unless you count criticism.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

so synchronized swimming is a sport, then

(x-post)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

haha a criticism joke haha

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

synchronized swimming is life

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks for the validation, guy. It means a lot.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

"I think half the reason I like Mr. Show so much is that Cross seems like this guy who would do terrible, rant-y, non-charcter material is so good at creating substantial characters. "

okay, well...correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this not substantial whatsofuckingever "ronnie" character in *run ronnie run* ONE of his characters from mr. show?? or did i just misunderstand that part? (or do the other characters display significantly more substantiality?)
(and either way, i definitely don't have a MULLET, and never did.)

chuck whose hairline is only slightly receding, Monday, 19 April 2004 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

you have a bright future ahead of you, dean

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

I think that the guy at the show was just saying that you look like a goofy southerner, which is true if that picture is a fair representation of your appearance.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks, bub. You're my model.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

goofy southerner's read the Metro section?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

ignore that apostrophe

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

is that a guinea pig btw?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

i think we need a little more volume on that robe, too.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm...I WAS wearing one of my cool cowboy shirts that night at Sin-E', come to think of it.

(But I did not bring my late great Guinea Pig, Eggnog aka Peanut Butter.) (Or my late Guinea Pig's later greater predecessor, Eggplant, for that matter.)

chuck, Monday, 19 April 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

okay, well...correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this not substantial whatsofuckingever "ronnie" character in *run ronnie run* ONE of his characters from mr. show??

Yeah it is, but it's a terrible example (full disclosure: I've only seen about 10 minutes of RRR). There's also a world of difference between sketch comedy and feature film.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

The fact that Chuck has had pet guinea pigs recently makes me merry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link

i IM'd my girlfriend chuck's picture, saying, "Doesn't this look like my friend Matt?," and she replied, "him or David Cross"

morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

goofy southerner's read the Metro section?

It was more the plaid, the guinea pig and the aww shucks grin.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

Bob comments on it thru Chunklet here if anyone is interested in hearing about it from someone who is involved.

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

That new David Cross record is maybe the least funny thing ever (at least the one track I listened to) (the first one) (it was terrible).

adam (adam), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't even heard it and I think it's terrible! I mean, the thing is called "It's Not Funny," so it can't be funny!

lisafrank! (deangulberry), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

i've never heard david cross's stand-up but i saw some mr. show and was pretty hit-or-miss (or is that hit-AND-miss?), just like every comedy show ever. the good stuff was pretty funny though i guess.

also i probably said that exactly about 100+ posts up, so if i did ignore me.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:09 (twenty years ago) link

Second and Fourth Seasons of Mr. Show: CLASSIC
Fist and Third: Up and down

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

man, that guinea pig is cute as hell. i wanna get one, but I think my dog, Dot, would probably use it for a chew toy.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

wait, am I the only one who thinks Chuck looks *exactly* like David Cross in that photo? Right down to the b+w+r flannel and glasses? C'mon, the similarity is striking, all baldness aside...

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 19 April 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know who you people are, but that guy DOES look like David Cross. And I was cracking up listening to "Shut Up You &%$*ing Baby". I found Mr. Show to be funny, but not laugh-out-loud funny, it was pretty dry... I like when he's just being himself up there, though his stand up is kind of all over the place and unrehearsed-sounding, that's what makes it funny to me.

mermaid, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:12 (twenty years ago) link

NED YOU FASCIST - DO NOT CONFINE DAVID CROSS PRAISE TO CHUCK EDDY'S THREAD OF HATRED

dean!dean!dean (deangulberry), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

And yet it is not praise. ;-) However, I'll let it go THIS time...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

Yet more possible evidence in my favor, by the way (about David Cross's lack of talent, I mean): the extremely unfunny fanzine *Chunklet* appears to like him a lot, judging from their new issue.

chuck, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

Bill Hicks rules. You all are you some kind of crack.

uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

and their last issue and the one before that... if patton oswalt's cock was a popsicle they'd have it for breakfast every morning

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

Chunklet's Henry Owings is apparently friends with Mr. Cross, has interviewed him extensively in a past issue, and has appeared on stage with him at least once.

Uh, meanwhile, confirmed the last bit of him I needed to know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

Heh, semi xpost with Mr. Blount.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

haha uh IS bill hicks (eat more fried foods uh)

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

I am everything you fear.

uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

haha thats stupid.

YOU DONT EAT COCKSICLES FOR BREAKFAST.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

Owings did graphic design work on the Mr. Show book, as well. Perhaps it is the Georgia connection?

(also, ned, you flirt if you wanted me to come to the fap, all you had to do was say so, silly goose)

dean!dean!dean (deangulberry), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:49 (twenty years ago) link

Yet more possible evidence in my favor, as well. Perhaps the guinea pig is cute as hell.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, they're both atlanta boys

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

I've BEEN saying, ya punk, but there's obviously no way I can e-mail you!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

Mr. Show never did much for me, but I cracked up a bit at Cross' "I'm making a birdhouse" line in Eternal Sunshine.

Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

eleven months pass...
That Rickey Henderson bit he did on that one CD of his was one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
OutKast, "?"

David Cross: What's this? I know he's saying "What can make a nigger do something." Oh, this is a good song! This is the "drinkin' again" song, where all the alcohol is being poured. Oh yeah, it's the question mark! That's the name. The title is the question mark.

http://www.avclub.com/content/node/45620/5

,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

And John Mayer now has a monthly column in Esquire, and it's smart, funny, etc.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

and that chappelle's show episode

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

anthony is right

marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

The Milk Machine Sketch = Classic

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I would just like to note that the second David Cross stand-up CD is horrible. I heard it in a car once and me and my friends threw on a CD-R of an earlier HBO special to reaffirm that he changed, not us.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

T*****
I am always on the fence about that dude
T*****
sometimes I think he is kind of awesome
Me
was he the one yelling about ron paul at the Mac guy (Justin...?)?
T*****
think so yes
T*****
last time I saw him on TMZ he just started asking the paparazzi dudes for camera tips
T*****
like, he wouldn't talk about whatever, he kept diverting the conversation back to cameras

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/611387370c

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link

heh

Jordan, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link

and Run Ronnie Run is more consistently entertaining than Brain Candy.

-- Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, December 8, 2003 9:11 PM (4 years ago)

am0n, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link

whatever happened to that guy xpost

omar little, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 19:18 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't think that person really hates him

xp

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't think Bill Hicks was the world's greatest comedian by a long shot, but I do have wonder how old the guy was who wrote:

"Bill Hicks was never funny. His attempts at topical/political humor were so far behind the times it's untrue. In short, he was not that bright. Ryko's efforts to portray him as a misunderstood genius toiling against an ignorant, conservative society are revisionism at its worst. Detestable."

I might be biased due to the fact that when I first started hearing about Bill Hicks, I was a high school student from a religious family who had recently re-located to Texas from the north, bombs were dropping on Iraq live via satellite on CNN every night, and Republicans had been in the White House since I was 7 years old. To me there was no other comedian out there more topical than Bill Hicks. His political humor wasn't nuanced or all that insightful; it was the kind of stuff a likeable drunken uncle would rant about at a BBQ and get a bunch of fuck-yeahs and laughter from other people who were pessimistic and pissed-off. His political comedy weren't meant for the type of people who would giggle at The Daily Show, it was for people who hated politics, who were totally disengaged and cynical about the whole game. If anybody right now reminds me of Bill Hicks politically, it's Dave Chappelle.

His rants are also sort of interwoven through all the music I listened to at the time, being played between and over tracks on public and college radio, so I definitely get a lot of nostalgia listening to him. Definitely biased. It's true a lot of his stuff hasn't dated very well, so I can see a younger person listening to him and wondering what's the appeal. A lot of shock-based comedians don't date well with the bar being pushed further forward all the time. Bill Hicks, David Cross, and others of their ilk were basically designed to be listened to once.

rockapads, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry for hi-jacking the thread to respond to a years-old post, but David Cross is kind of boring. Point me towards the Bob Odenkirk appreciation thread!

rockapads, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link

"I don't think Bill Hicks was the world's greatest comedian by a long shot, but I do have wonder how old the guy was who wrote:"

I think Ott's in his mid-twenties.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I missed this thread before but I'm glad to find out I'm not the only one who doesn't think Bill Hicks isn't very funny.

Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 05:37 (sixteen years ago) link

er, he's not funny, to me, is what I am saying, and I thought I was the only one.

Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 05:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I've never heard Cross' or Mayer's standup routines (nor Hicks', for that matter), so I really have no clue who's funny and who's not. But television-wise, Cross has the distinction of being a cast member of both the greatest sketch-comedy series of the '90s AND the greatest sitcom of the '00s of all time, and he shone in both; and that's enough to redeem his entire career. (Or anyone's career, for that matter)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 07:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't like Bill Hicks much either, so you have company. xp

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 07:08 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost OTM!

Also, that John Mayer video had nothing resembling 'funny' in it.

mehlt, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

"If you really think that Twitter is the pathway to spiritual enlightenment, well...It's one step away from sending pictures of your poop."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20090327/en_music_eo/106394

xhuxk, Friday, 27 March 2009 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Shoulda used the word shit and given the interviewer a Hobbson's choice. That said, how many 'followers' does he have, everyone in the world except a few outliers and hermits?

Gorge, Friday, 27 March 2009 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link

John Mayer is awesome because he was on Tim and Eric's Awesome Show.

f. hazel, Friday, 27 March 2009 22:55 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Bad news, my new bar/restaurant/nightclub didn't pass building inspection. Maybe because it's 6 feet by 3,000 feet.
8:25 PM Jun 13th from TwitterBerry

Interesting note, the floor would move very slowly on a belt that fed people out the door. One building's length every 90 minutes.
8:29 PM Jun 13th from TwitterBerry

We had a lot of interesting things planned, really. No ceiling, just plumbing. Glory holes placed impossibly high.Child bathroom attendants.
8:32 PM Jun 13th from TwitterBerry

Eazy, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

What the. (Interview via Playboy if your workplace cares about that.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

MAYER: I’m a self-soother. The Internet, DVR, Netflix, Twitter—all these things are moments in time throughout your day when you’re able to soothe yourself. We have an autonomy of comfort and pleasure. By the way, pornography? It’s a new synaptic pathway. You wake up in the morning, open a thumbnail page, and it leads to a Pandora’s box of visuals. There have probably been days when I saw 300 vaginas before I got out of bed.

iatee, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

He compares his penis to David Duke in that interview.

Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

it would be kind of awesome to have john mayer as the friend you're always apologizing for

tza tziki sauce (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

the interview reads like he's just done $200 worth of cocaine, but I also think that it seems like he would have probably mentioned that in the interview

iatee, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I saw John Mayer at a free show in college right when he was on the verge of getting popular.
He WAS funny. He had anecdotes in between songs that were really good. He might have called his mom or grandma at one point.

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

if your workplace cares about that

c+p?

you live in a space battle homo cave (sic), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I could explain that, in fact, I’m not a douche bag, but that would be at the expense of believing in magic. I

by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I want to dance. I want to get on an airplane and be like a ninja.

just keeps on giving

by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

lol
love this guy. think he would be a valuable ILM contributor for real.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

the stuff about seeing 300 vaginas before you are out of your pajamas was funny. but the guy has that icky coked-up "i can't stop talking, but i can't stay on one track" quality.

by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

he's that awful straight white guy who made freshman interdisciplinary humanities seminar his personal variety showcase only he's 35 and famous. raise ur good time bro standards, nerds

A B C, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

otm

horseshoe, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

yes, otm. interview does have some entertaining moments, though.

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 11 February 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

NEW YORK (AP) — John Mayer is apologizing for his mouth.

The Grammy-winner took to his Twitter page to make amends for his latest inflammatory comments — this time, in the March edition of Playboy.

In it, he calls former girlfriend Jessica Simpson "sexual napalm" and says Jennifer Aniston is a technophobe who wishes she could go back to her career prime in 1998. He also uses the N-word.

On Twitter Wednesday afternoon, he apologized for the racial epithet and said he has to stop "trying to be so raw in interviews."

"It started as an attempt to not let the waves of criticism get to me, but it's gotten out of hand and I've created somewhat of a monster," Mayer tweeted. "I wanted to be a blues guitar player. And a singer. And a songwriter. Not a shock jock. I don't have the stomach for it."

There were plenty who didn't have the stomach for his remarks in Playboy, in which he talked about Simpson's sexuality, his problems with Aniston, his love of porn, why he doesn't date black women and being beloved by the black community.

"Someone asked me the other day, 'What does it feel like now to have a hood pass?' And by the way, it's sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a hood pass, you could call it a nigger pass,'" he said, then added: "But I said, 'I can't really have a hood pass. I've never walked into a restaurant, asked for a table and been told, 'We're full.'"

Mayer said he should have never have used the N-word in any context and will never say it again.

"And it's such a shame that I did because the point I was trying to make was in the exact opposite spirit of the word itself. It was arrogant of me to think I could intellectualize using it, because I realize that there's no intellectualizing a word that is so emotionally charged," he said.

The racial comments were hardly the only explosive comments in the interview. He said he still loved Aniston, but then noting their age difference (she just turned 41), he said: "I can't change the fact that I need to be 32."

He also said she didn't appreciate new technology: "The brunt of her success came before TMZ and Twitter. I think she's still hoping it goes back to 1998. She saw my involvement in technology as courting distraction. And I always said, 'These are the new rules,'" he said.

Of Simpson, he talked about her sexual ability, and said: "That girl, for me, is a drug ... That girl is like crack cocaine to me."

In the interview, he also explained why he didn't date black women, comparing his genitals to "a white supremacist."

Mayer — known for his loose tongue — has made a habit out of outlandish comments. Last month, he gave an interview with Rolling Stone where he talked openly about his love life, including sex with other women — and himself.

___

scott seward, Thursday, 11 February 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i would dig john mayer a lot more if he just did interviews and twitter and comedy sketches and no music ever

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 11 February 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

how will he masturbate his way out of this one

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 February 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link

dude shreds and gets great tone. great blueshammer stuff. i guess he's back to songs for shampoo commercials now?

guammls (QE II), Thursday, 11 February 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

And by the way, it's sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a hood pass, you could call it a nigger pass

yes......ok then

('_') (omar little), Thursday, 11 February 2010 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

"I can't change the fact that I need to be 32."
is 32 the new 14 or something? i wish i'd gotten that memo ...

tylerw, Thursday, 11 February 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link

how will he masturbate his way out of this one

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:29 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

doesn't this question answer itself?

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 11 February 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link

i want nabisco to do the next interview with him

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 11 February 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i would dig john mayer a lot more if he just did interviews and twitter and comedy sketches and no music ever

I wouldn't! then he would basically just be a dick

iatee, Thursday, 11 February 2010 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Funny you should say that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 February 2010 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link

dicks that don't make tiresome music >>> dicks that do

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 11 February 2010 06:23 (fourteen years ago) link

^^

you have to forgive me (surm), Thursday, 11 February 2010 06:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't even know what his comment means

('_') (omar little), Thursday, 11 February 2010 07:44 (fourteen years ago) link

im basically only aware of john mayer as a punchline in US comedy show but this interview is solid gold.

vag white band (history mayne), Thursday, 11 February 2010 10:19 (fourteen years ago) link

a platinum record really ISN'T going to wash your ass.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 11 February 2010 12:24 (fourteen years ago) link

seriously man, just buy the bidet already.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 11 February 2010 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link

http://gawker.com/5469637/john-mayer-quits-the-media-game

ksh, Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

So you're saying that he got off the Internet because of us.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

how will he masturbate his way out of this one

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:29 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

doesn't this question answer itself?

fwiw I was just quoting from his Rolling Stone interview, which is basically more of the same as the Playboy interview, except without the "N" word. lots of talk about his masturbatory/porn habits tho

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Why does John Mayer get a free hood pass from blipsters? [

Sometimes a pie is just a pie (KMS), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^ no

Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

can someone explain what he was trying to say? seriously, i really have no clue.

('_') (omar little), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

If you're talking about the "hood pass" controversy, what he was saying is that, while a bunch of black people like him, he's not confused about thinking he's black and neither are they; furthermore, if that type of equivalency existed, you wouldn't need a coded, propriety-toeing wink-wink term like "hood pass" to describe it because you could go whole-hog and use offensive verbiage without people taking offense.

Unsurprisingly, people took offense to this, kind of proving his point.

Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

he's saying you;re saying that like it's something cool, but actually being oppressed isn't that cool when you're living it

zvookster, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

take yr pick lol

zvookster, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link

http://stereogum.com/img/mayer_mouth.jpg

Sometimes a pie is just a pie (KMS), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

If you're talking about the "hood pass" controversy, what he was saying is that, while a bunch of black people like him, he's not confused about thinking he's black and neither are they; furthermore, if that type of equivalency existed, you wouldn't need a coded, propriety-toeing wink-wink term like "hood pass" to describe it because you could go whole-hog and use offensive verbiage without people taking offense.

Unsurprisingly, people took offense to this, kind of proving his point.

― Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a really good way of summing up what happened. the part after it was really what made me shake my head and kind of get mad at him, though:

What is being black? It’s making the most of your life, not taking a single moment for granted. Taking something that’s seen as a struggle and making it work for you, or you’ll die inside. Not to say that my struggle is like the collective struggle of black America. But maybe my struggle is similar to one black dude’s.

da Condom FATHER (some dude), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link

so glad a white guy has cleared up what its like to be black for us all

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

If you're talking about the "hood pass" controversy, what he was saying is that, while a bunch of black people like him, he's not confused about thinking he's black and neither are they; furthermore, if that type of equivalency existed, you wouldn't need a coded, propriety-toeing wink-wink term like "hood pass" to describe it because you could go whole-hog and use offensive verbiage without people taking offense.

Unsurprisingly, people took offense to this, kind of proving his point.

this is what i thought, too, fwiw.

werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

The followup to the "hood pass/nigger pass" sectoion feels edited/out of context, seeing as there's no direct correlation between the first 3 sentences and the last 2 that makes a lot of direct sense; mapping things back to his own life would be more understandable of he meant "'being black'" in scare-quotes, meaning that he was still talking about the characteristics about himself that led to him being embraced by black people.

However I am also perfectly willing to believe that he was just quoting verbatim something some of his black friends told him about their experiences and he was thinking more about how that paralleled some of the struggles in his life than he was about how terrifyingly patrician his proclaiming what it is to Be Black would come across.

Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

What is being black? It’s making the most of your life, not taking a single moment for granted

Who asked John Mayer to do Black History Month blurbs?

Can I get a work safe version of that interview, too? Sounds a-mazing.

Cunga, Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

YOUR BODY IS A WONDERLAND... I'M TELLING EVERYBODY!!!

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha

Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder if John Mayer and James Franco get their weed from the same guy.

Cunga, Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

BLACK PEOPLE TO WHITE AMERICA:

ENJOY EVERY SANDWICH

El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 11 February 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

that interview reads like the dude from Ray Gun but ten years and millions of dollars in the bank later.

Cunga, Thursday, 11 February 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

There are so many great lines in this interview that it's hard to pinpoint just a few:

"If you say I’m not adult and stable, it sounds as though I’m someone who’s watching football and playing Xbox. I have this bond with infinite possibility—when I go out to dinner, I bring another shirt, a flashlight, a knife, a hard drive, a camera. It’s not like I wanted to be with somebody else. I want to be with myself, still, and lie in bed only with the infinite unknown. That’s 32, man."

"At this point, before I can have sex I need to know somebody. Unless she’s a 14 out of 10."

"If I have a conversation with a really hot girl that lasts all night and she says, “Wow, I had no idea I was going to like you this much,” that is the equivalent, for me, of getting laid."

"If Jennifer Aniston knows how to use BitTorrent I’ll eat my fucking shoe."

"I want to dance. I want to get on an airplane and be like a ninja. I want to be an explorer. I want to be like The Bourne Identity."

Cunga, Friday, 12 February 2010 05:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"If I have a conversation with a really hot girl that lasts all night and she says, “Wow, I had no idea I was going to like you this much,” that is the equivalent, for me, of getting laid."

pretty sure ive known ppl who say stuff like this

average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Friday, 12 February 2010 05:39 (fourteen years ago) link

"If Jennifer Aniston knows how to use BitTorrent I’ll eat my fucking shoe."

lmao

average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Friday, 12 February 2010 05:40 (fourteen years ago) link

"I want to dance. I want to get on an airplane and be like a ninja. I want to be an explorer. I want to be like The Bourne Identity."

ive also thought this one personally

average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Friday, 12 February 2010 05:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Young and Innocent Days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_z-shZL1KU

Cunga, Friday, 12 February 2010 05:43 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

hood pass revoked

http://i48.tinypic.com/28cn59c.gif

jaxon, Friday, 26 February 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

lol farsighted

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

This is amazing.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

omfghahahahaha I just got mesmerized focusing only on Kanye's right hand slicing at his chest abt 150 times

Hadrian VIII, Friday, 26 February 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link

two of the most awkward human beings alive, being awkward

max, Friday, 26 February 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Also his use of the word 'fag' was pretty offensive as was his general shitty attitude towards women and how he kept making sure everybody knew Jennifer Aniston was old and he was a young sprightly chicken at 32 who just needed to be ~free~. There was some good points as much as I hate to admit it in his 'hood pass' quote it was just poorly executed. Like his music career and entire existance.

RubyNoir, Saturday, 27 February 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link

this guy is on a nother level

black man comes at him with a wicked karate chop and he disarms!
plays it off like white and nerdy

disaster averted + gif meme created

tramp steamer, Sunday, 28 February 2010 04:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Hahahaha I fucking love that.

t(o_o)t (ENBB), Sunday, 28 February 2010 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link

What's with this scene of mini-Mayer singer-songwriters that that are kind of big and famous but I have never even heard of?

I'm talking Matt Nathanson, Matt Wertz, Dave Barnes. A quick glance at their wikipedia pages shows all sorts of appearances on tv and soundtracks, but who are they and what's their deal? The scene seems to be some weird DMB/country/Christian rock/folk rock pool party.

Cunga, Friday, 5 March 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i think TV soundtracks is a big tipoff there -- there's a whole world of musicians who exist for no other reason than to score contemplative moments in Grey's Anatomy and Scrubs

some dude, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link

fratboys

jaxon, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I remember when my fratbro RA and I were talking music for the first time, he talked about all these different singer-songwriters, and not only did they all sound the same to me but they all seem to look and act the same, too. Wouldn't be surpised if it's all the same guy producing these contemplative music moments for Grey's Anatomy tbh.

xpost yeah

Cunga, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh CW network (and the WB before you), so much to answer for.

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 March 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i wonder if this entire cottage industry sprang up just because Coldplay set their licensing fees prohibitively high or something

some dude, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

even the kind of critics who can appreciate horrible pop and defend really uncool music take the http://i45.tinypic.com/20z7o9k.jpg

attitude to this kind of thing.

xpost the Coldplay-John Mayer-the Fray music licensing cartel

Cunga, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link


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