Loveless Remaster Actually Sound Better?

I can't wait to check this out!

When I first got this, I mentioned the same thing to my friend Keith. His response was that it was intentional - at no point is there ever any silence on the whole release.

Anyone drop the dough for the Isn't Anything vinyl? Worth it?

I know that my copy of the LP (just coming out of the Colm-with-sampler track) had a pretty obvious pressing defect on it.

I'd speculate that what's happened here is KS has approached the material with fresh '00s ears and decided that it needed some serious re-EQing.

About remasters of 90s CDs. If the remaster sounds better, then they must have done a real lousy job originally.

Also also, mine fades out completely, albeit in an unorthodox manner.

I don't have the reissue, but the Creation pressing I have is probably the loudest recording I own, and is relatively clear (you know, all things considered). Although keep in mind my copy is on Creation, and your CD is on (and the Plain LP reissue would be licesened from) Sire, so the master tapes may vary somewhat.

There's a lot of stuff that is simply hidden in the mix that you can't hear without absolutely blasting it. I fell in love with "Blown a Wish" again recently when I heard it being played extremely loudly over the PA at the North Six between sets. Then again, the DJ may have been using the remastered version, which would explain why I was hearing a lot I hadn't remembered hearing on a usual listen. Still...what a great song...what a perfect album.

Like MJ's it has a pretty serious pressing defect, ie. the first track skips like a wee lass in a playground.

Perhaps I could solve the problem if I got hold of some... outboard gear and took it to the middle of a large reservoir.

Huh. Cuz all versions of "Isn't Anything" I've heard, vinyl especially, have sounded criminally quiet... which is extremely frustrating knowing that much of the music on that record gives you the impression it's the most monstrous sounding rock imaginable... "Feed Me With your Kiss", "You Never Should", etc.

I keep thinking about taking each track on this album and adding new bass and drums to it. But I guess I'm almost as lazy as Kevin?

I know I have it on minidisc. I haven't seen it for some time though.

OK, the 2CD 'remaster' is out soon, maybe even now.

Someone post here:
1) What exactly is the difference between CD1 and CD2 (One's a remaster, and one's a remaster of the analogue original)

2) Which sounds better/different and how?

Speaking of the reissues, is this listing on Amazon.co.uk the same as that Japanese one that was linked somewhere here last year? If the box includes everything (I really want 'You Made Me Realise' on CD) then I'd be well worth the wait and the extra bucks.

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the remaster was pushed back to the end of june

"You made me realise" is already on Cd.

Um, hasn't it been deleted for years?

I suppose. Is it that hard to get hold of?

Amazon resellers have it starting from 50 quid sterling. I love it and all, but I don't love it that much.

FIFTY QUID?

I don't even love my copy that much.....

.. ebay's 'completed' sales has it gone for £42 on a 'buy it now' (i.e. first bidder got it), and £26 for the 12" version.

Im hoping this remaster will sort out the flabby, lifeless bass frequencies on the original release, but I'm gussing we'll just get something with shitty brick-wall limiting turned up to the max.

I'd love to be proved wrong though.

why 2 discs

are there nerd fights over which version is better

There will be.

There will be.

Next month, isn't it?

I wouldn't hope for new stuff, if even a re-release takes two years, and 8 months of delay.

There is an alleged leak up on What.cd. I haven’t given it much of a listen. But both versions mearly sounded louder on the brief comparison I made – if anything the bass was even more dull and muddy, and seeing as that was my biggest problem with the original vinyl and CD versions I stopped listening to it.

It could be a fake, but if it’s legit It is extremely disappointing

I will add I was extremely impressed with the Isn’t Anything remaster job. That was A++

Take a look here for the leak:

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/smf/index.php?topic=1245.0

There's a FLAC version on page 4.

The Isn't Anything remaster, off brief exposure, seems better; fuller, louder, more bottom end, bit without squashing things.

Some people have had these for a few months... ;)

I wrote about this on another MBV thread. It's subtle, it's louder, it's not overcompressed. See if you can tell the difference between mastered-from-analogue-tape and mastered-from-DAT (if this release still sports both versions).

I'm not convinced the version of Loveless I've just d/l'd is actually a remaster, but I'm at work listening on shitty satellites. Noticable difference with IA but this could well be the same.

it can be found anywhere at this point
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=site%3Ablogspot.com+loveless+remastered&spell=1

See if you can tell the difference between mastered-from-analogue-tape and mastered-from-DAT (if this release still sports both versions).

i can yet i can't, like its not nearly enough of a difference to even warrant releasing both. so why? what was their reasoning?

I'm not an audiophile, but I think I'm pretty tuned in to sound-staging, clarity (of whatever the intended sound, even a hazy, reverb-drenched sound), dynamic range, etc. And I guess 'Loveless' is the record most praised for its sonic appeal that I just absolutely don't get. It's always sounded so muddled, muffled (but not in a good Sly Stone kind of way), far-away, thin, and narrow to me that I haven't, in 15 years or so I've never been able to stand listening to it enough to really form an opinion on the quality of the music. I remember liking one track enough to want to put it on a mix tape when I was 14, but even then deciding to cut it because set next to seemingly anything else but a Galaxie 500 song (and even then) it just sounded so weak and shallow.

I'm not trying to troll or be a heretic. I want to hear what it's all about, but it just sounds like a mid-80s 4AD record with all the bass pulled and the reverb quadrupled. Anyone ever read anything that provides insight into why it's considered such a sonic masterpiece? What are other records that people who love this one in terms of sound-design also love?

As the previously prolific band were unusually quiet, the UK music press began to speculate. Melody Maker calculated that the total recording cost had come close to £250,000; however, McGee, Green, and Shields dispute this. Shields argued that that estimated cost (and Creation's near-bankruptcy) was a myth exaggerated by McGee because the Creation owner "thought it would be cool." According to Shields, "The amount we spent nobody knows because we never counted. But we worked it out ourselves just by working out how much the studios cost and how much all the engineers cost. 160 thousand pounds was the most we could come to as the actual money that was spent."[16] In Green's opinion, the Melody Maker's estimate erred on the low side, by £20,000. He said, "Once you'd even got it recorded and mixed, the very act of compiling, EQ-ing, etcetera took weeks on its own."[15] In a December 1991 interview, Shields said that most of the money claimed to have been spent on the album was simply "money to live on" over three years, with the album itself only costing "a few thousand". He also claimed that the album represented only four months work over two years.[17] Shields later said that most of the money spent was the band's own money, and that "Creation probably spent fifteen to twenty thousand pounds of their own money on it, and that's it.

Any of these numbers--ouch. This makes me feel even more there's apparently an incredible thing going on here (or at least attempted) that my ears are just not programmed to receive. . .

If you are listening to a download that is 222MB in size, you are listening to a fake.

Read My Magpie Eyes or hit the index for the MBV juicy bits at a shop, Soundslike. The time-suck of recording Loveless is detailed (from predominately outside perspectives). Lots of perch-knocking re: Shields in that book, probably deserved in terms of the headaches he caused his backers.

Mike McGonigal's book on the album contains a lot of rebuttal to those general accounts via Shields himself -- truth doubtless is somewhere in between.

I've never spoken about it, but I think in large part Mike got taken for a ride on the good ship Shields there.

If you are listening to a download that is 222MB in size, you are listening to a fake.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:01 AM

how do u know? fake megabytes?

The recent torrent posted on What.CD is a fake. It is not the remastered 2-CD edition of Loveless - it is the original CD run through mild DSP on someone's computer and uploaded to acquire seed ratio with trackers. Believe it or not, this is a lucrative proposition for some kids.

there was a double cd someone posted on another loveless thread here that purported to be the remaster, but I couldn't tell the difference b/w those and the original. the isn't anything leak that was laying around a few months ago did sound different; not necessarily better, just different. if that was legitimate I don't think I'll bother purchasing it, I have no problem with the original CDs of any of these, frankly.

I must have the fake, because I can't tell any difference. Either that or my ears are still shot from seeing the White Stripes in a small club back in '03.

I would bet all the leaks are fake. So don't go making judgements on it yet.

which sounds better the fake disc 1 or fake disc 2

They did a spot on this, on "Freshly Squeezed" on C4 this morning.

The real remasters are never fucking coming out anyway.

http://executableoutlines.com/charts/o%20thou%20of%20little%20faith.jpg

I've downloaded the 2 CD loveless "resmaster"... I've only listened to each version once but so far I can't tell the difference between them and the old CD version I have...

Supposed to actually be out today!

Now HMV has it as 6th April.

bye.

>The real remasters are never fucking coming out anyway.

OTM! This from Pfork's original news story:

"As initially reported on Wired's Blog Network and now confirmed by a Sony BMG UK rep, the only two MBV albums that matter (This Is Your Bloody Valentine was practically an EP anyway) will hit UK shops June 16 in newly remastered formats."

so that was June 16 last year and the delay has been because Shields has been writing the liner notes? Or cleaning chinchilla cages?

writing the liner notes.

They'd better be damn good!

it's also April 6th on Amazon : so is this really a remastered version ?

Ok so how does the limited edition red vinyl "remaster" released last year fit in? To my ears it sounded much better than my old CD.

Each month Amazon bumps the release date back to the next month. These are NEVER being released.

It's a race to see which comes out first, this or the next MBV album.

http://www.subhub.com/custom/snail%20race.jpg

Yep, Chinese Democracy...

Actually, soon it'll be time for another Loveless reissue-- mastering technology has changed since these were announced. So let's hold out for the 20th Ann. set.

what has changed about "remastering technology"?

Now HMV has it as 6th April. 1st June.

Shields: "I bet I can get in the news a lot just by talking about remastering those albums"
man at pub: "fuck off, that was all a long time ago, nobody even remembers your band"
Shields: "five pounds says I can get headlines"
man at pub: "it's a bet!"

--

Shields: "I guess I'll be collecting my five pounds from you tonight!"
man at pub: "oh do fuck off, those are headlines on a fucking website, nobody else reported it or even knows who you are"
Shields: "five more says I can do it again with the exact same piece of news in four months"
man at pub: "that's a bet right there my friend, website or no"

--

man at pub: "change a twenty?"
Shields: "oh don't look so glum. want to double that? I could always talk about b-sides"
man at pub: "LYSOL DOUCHE"

I've said it before, I'll say it again; they do not exist.

Oh yes they do.

Lies!

you think he's just bullshitting everyone about having worked on remastering at least some of this stuff?
in other news, I saw MBV last night. Glorious.

did they play the remastered versions?

there was a lot of defraction & thermal runaway in the signal chain

MBV definitely emerged victorious in the Loudness Wars last night.

Now HMV has it as 6th April. 1st June. 6th July, for LP and CD formats.

Never happening.

These will come out right after Chinese Democracy shit, Neil Young's Archives shit, well... never.

you meant 'before' there, but hey...

Yes, cold medicine addled brain screwed that all up. Point made, I think.

yeah now that the beatles remasters are actually coming out, these remain the only long-anticipated holdouts, I think.

Well, apart from the Desparate Bicycles anthology...

and the dolly mixture anthology!

Derrick May will have made a new tune by the time these remasters arrive.

My Bloody Valentine
Loveless: Remastered: 2cd £8.99
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00
release date: 28-9-2009

Now it's in the race with the Kraftwerk box set.

Release date: 28-9-2009

ooh, hasn't changed for 2 weeks!

It doesn't exist.

It's there for people who are awaiting new material to get told "Pssh, how long has it taken them to do a RE-RELEASE???"

I've downloaded the 2 CD loveless "resmaster"... I've only listened to each version once but so far I can't tell the difference between them and the old CD version I have...

Yeah I wonder what it was that I downloaded.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screenshot2009-09-15at093636.png

Never Happening.

hang on....

The “Isn't Anything” remaster I downloaded sounded really really good - even if it’s not legit it’s a huge improvement over the original CD version.

Would be nice if the Loveless one came out one day though.

Maybe they are waiting to combine it with "Rock Band: My Bloody Valentine Edition", but I'm going to have to plagiarise my own post from the other MBV thread:

How you uh, how you comin' on that novel you're working on? Huh? Gotta a big, uh, big stack of papers there? Gotta, gotta nice little story you're working on there? Your big novel you've been working on for 3 years? Huh? Gotta, gotta compelling protagonist? Yeah? Gotta obstacle for him to overcome? Huh? Gotta story brewing there? Working on, working on that for quite some time? Huh? (voice getting higher pitched) Yea, talking about that 3 years ago. Been working on that the whole time? Nice little narrative? Beginning, middle, and end? Some friends become enemies, some enemies become friends? At the end your main character is richer from the experience? Yeah? Yeah? (voice returns to normal) No, no, you deserve some time off.

HAHA. Don't usually rate Family Guy - but that scene is so OTM.

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

release date: 04-01-2010

pre order now

So, the date is holding (for now?)

It won't be that long until it's out of copyright!

Never gonna happen.

Hello Never gonna happen post, once again you meet with Release date post..

Those liner notes don't write themselves you know!

I did see someone selling his "Isn't Anything" 2009 promo on e-bay.

It looked legit, fwiw...

the 'leaks' of these that were out were faked, no?

copies (of the loveless cds) have been sent out to journalists (minus artwork and those all-important sleevenotes*). this was summer 2008. i have seen them, but not heard them.

* really, who cares? release the cds, put the notes on a website when they're done.

The Loveless one was definitely a fake - and sounded it.

The Isn't Anything leak was probably the real thing, and sounds much better than the original CD master.

Wasn't this originally scheduled for 2007? It's highly appropriate that even the reissue is delayed that long, ha ha.

When this finally comes out on brainchip in 2037 it had goddamn well better include the Weatherall remixes.

Release date: 04-01-2010

Now it's almost within reach!

Nice to see this thread is now the top result for "loveless remaster" on google. Without quotes it's still second, just behind Amazon uk and that tantalising (never gonna happen) date.

you guys realize that that release date is april fool's day, right? it's also a thursday.

ahh, how the watery divide divides us again: that's 4th January 2010 in Britisher dates.

Prolly be able to rename it Shields's Fools Day though.

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN

I find your lack of faith disturbing. Clearly this is now going to be the late Christmas present that Kev has been promising us for three years. So what if he's keen to make sure the enclosed chinchilla breeders guide booklet is factually accurate?

Also, in keeping with the recent concerts, he is making sure these CDs are THE LOUDEST OF ALL TIME.

Looks like Kev wants Christmas to be just a little later, again (from Amazon UK):

This title will be released on January 25, 2010.
Pre-order now!

THIS IS JUST A SAGA NOW.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

IT DOESN'T EXIST.

more info
My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

release date: 15-02-2010

i got my copy this morning. amazon have done this to me before with books -- a pleasant surprise.

Swear that on the Bible!

for me, loveless *is* the bible.

and the remaster is some king james shit.

nrq: stargazing indie-kid at heart

pics or it didn't etc

...

don't have a digital camera

^^^^^^^^ making it up no such thing natch

anyway i don't believe your loveless = bible ; remaster = kjv analogy anyway

the original was the kjv and this remaster is going to be some terrible modern updating with all the 'thees' and 'thous' taken out and god trying to be down with the kids talking like yr mum trying to be yr homies or something

http://alllayedout.com/Comments/Comebacks/graphics/are_you_100_percent_jealous.gif

loool

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/djprestige/Flea%20Market%20Funk%20Blog/Ruby-Andrews-I-Just-Dont-B.gif

It's been on the HMV coming up page for every week since it was first scheduled ...

karen the kjv while beautiful is not a good translation, which I think is the point of the analogy

I'd be curious to know if there any differences between the promo copies I've had since... what, Sep '08? and history mayne's newly-delivered CDs. Did it just take 18 months to write the sleeve notes or was there further tweaking to be done?

hmm. i get the impression that there's been more tweaking since then, but you'll have to send me the promos so i can make the comparison.

shieldsy spending 18 months 'tweaking'?

never!

No, YOU'LL have to send me YOUR copies. I'm not falling for that old trick, Mr So-Called history mayne.

xp

(Anyway - still the two versions, one from DAT, one from analogue multi-track?)

three versions!

Ha ha. Bless him. I wouldn't want to stand behind this guy in the queue at Starbucks.

Yeah, my minidisc version! xpost

(This is true, btw)

(that day was June 22nd, Mike. and S had probably had them a while by then. search tag's photos for International Colouring Contest)

amazon was listing the md version until quite recently (probably less than 18 months ago). actually, their minidisc list is quite long and there are bargains to be had, some of them quite odd choices (Smashing Orange anyone? Godzilla soundtrack? several Clash compilations, some Bjork)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/b/ref=amb_link_19555465_37?node=382531011

(i have exactly 1 (one) prerecorded minidisc - Minidisc by Gescom)

Ha ha. Bless him. I wouldn't want to stand behind this guy in the queue at Starbucks.

ha ha
there's a my bloody valentine forum, and when it opened someone kept posting jokes like, kevin shields' wife is pregnant! the baby will be born in eight years.

i would actually be intrigued by any footnotes for this, whether or not they're a legitimate justification for the wait.

I see a bunch of the ones I have are on that list.

Sandinista, £150? Hmm...

immortal Thai pop icon Tata Young weighs in

Is she signed to Sony, do you think?

lol actually yeah

I own all her records

wait, does that imply he's working on a Memory Stick version as well? will that be a different mix again?

iirc the delays are down to Kev writing his own audio codec so that none of the remastered nuances are lost on the Memory Stick release.

This title will be released on March 8, 2010.
Pre-order now!

It actually now feels like he doesn't want any fans to be happy ever again.

The day before my b-day?

i thought that. in october.

From "This is yourspace":

Sunday, January 17, 2010
Bilinda isn't a member of Facebook or any social networking site
Bilinda Butcher would like to point out that she doesn't have a Facebook page. The person who is pretending to be Bilinda Jayne Butcher isn't her, nor are any of the other Bilinda Butchers online. Bilinda isn't a member of any social networking sites. If they could all stop pretending to be her she would appreciate it.
6:06 PM 14 Comments

Also:

18 Jan 2010 19:37

paul weller singing over kevin shields guitars is the musical equivalent of a dog taking a shit on your birthday cake. tosser

Charming!

The one that was floating around last year is hilarious. The two "versions" are indistinguishable.

I wonder if there is a psychiatric term for this kind of neverending procrastination? Because it seems like the actual remastering process was done and dusted many, many months (if not years) ago, so the *only* thing now holding this up is the sleevenotes? It's like Kev keeps missing the deadline for his essay and is giving his indulgent tutor more and more excuses (except no excuses are actually being given, other than the eternal "getting it right" nonsense).

And all this for fucking REMASTERS! God forbid they should actually attempt to release some new material in the next decade. Maybe they are all rich enough (which I doubt), but surely Colm, Deb and Bilinda would not mind seeing a little £££ from these things actually going on sale?

I've gone all the way from excitement, to amusement, to dismissal, back to amusement and now pissed offness over this. What a shambles.

I think I need a lie down, actually.

(and to stop using the word actually all the time)

It's still nothing compared to the gap between the Kraftwerk remasters box set promos and the eventual release.

I wonder how much Deb makes from sales of Loveless.

Hope she still gets something fair.

Deb Gucci

This title will be released on August 23, 2010.

i listen to both versions pretty much equally atm, v different experiences

Yeah, I imagine the remasters you received are somewhat quieter?

loud enough for me to hear 'em

If you play the original vinyl, the original CD and both remastered CDs simultaneously, Zaireeka fashion, sample the resultant signal, and then run the .wav through a decrypter you get an ascii file which depicts Kev pulling a goatse 4 tha fanz.

more info
My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

release date: 07-06-2010

This thing'll never come out.

What's yr source, Mark? Amazon UK is holding steady for 23 August: the day when we can forget all this unpleasantness and carry on with our lives.

Each date has come from HMV uk, historically.

Still, I'm slightly encouraged by reports of 'Loveless' recently going out of print in the UK.

Oh yeah, I downloaded a FLAC from a torrent site claiming to be the remastered 'Loveless' and either the remastering is particularly subtle or its a load of bollocks.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I assume it'll come with the EPs that preceded it?

I've recently re-discovered how fucking marvelous that Tremolo EP was

Ha, I just played it in the car on the way home.

> I assume it'll come with the EPs that preceded it?

no, is just the lp, twice.

demo cds were sent out to journos in summer 08. so the music's all done, it's everything else that's holding it up. that's the annoying thing.

Can't tell if you're being serious, is it really the album twice? Different formats?

Yep, once remastered off the stereo DAT masters, once remastered off the analogue tapes. I think that's right. It's been a while...

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Of course I'm doubtful that, even if it is released in the UK, it'll ever show up here in the States as anything but an expensive import.

it's everything else that's holding it up. that's the annoying thing.
what is this "everything else"?

once remastered off the stereo DAT masters, once remastered off the analogue tapes

This reminds me of the adage about the man with one watch knows what time it is while the man with two watches is never sure. Why don't they just do one definitive version?

> what is this "everything else"?

the usual crap that makes a released cd different from a demo cd - artwork, sleevenotes(?) etc. the ones i saw (and that mike ended up with) were just stamped cds (ie not cdrs and iirc were properly printed on the label side, albeit only with text, no colours or pictures) in a transparent plastic wallet.

so the demo CDs haven't actually leaked? was under the impression that the so-called Loveless remasters floating around last year were fakes ...

dunno, i've not actually heard them (and don't go hunting for leaks). i didn't ask mike for a copy at the time figuring that they'd be available for sale the following month... (and, tbh, i can wait)

Been a while, so:

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

release date: 14-03-2011

Never gonna happen

Yay!

Amazon.co.uk finds your lack of faith disturbing:

Price: £8.99 & this item Delivered FREE in the UK with Super Saver Delivery. See details and conditions
This title will be released on January 24, 2011.

This title will be released on January 24, 2011.

Like hell will it.

Might as well wait for a 20-year anniversary edition now.

Anniversary of the reunion, sure.

"Screamadelica – The Collector’s Edition’ will comprise:
CD1: Re-Mastered album (Re-mastered by Primal Scream & Kevin Shields)
..."

twisting the knife there...

It'll never happen...

― Mark G, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 13:51 (2 hours ago)

"This title will be released on January 24, 2011."

still

Shields did just come out of re-mastering Screamadelica. I'm sure somebody out there took notice and plopped Loveless down right next to him whilst at the control panel, with a hint-hint-nudge-nude "hey, while you're at it".

um, freudian slip

but they were done 2 years ago - preview copies went out then.

BAH GOD

"This title will be released on May 16, 2011."

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. When's the 20th anniversary?

This November, I think.

He meant the 20th anniversary of the first announcement of the remasters.

Oh! Next November then.

can't believe kevin shields managed to add another 'great lost album' to his collection of 'great lost albums', especially with it being one he'd already released

How the fuck does this guy pay his fucking bills?

Check'll be there May 16, 2011.

Day after my 32nd birthday. We've been talking about these remasters since I was in my mid-20s.

Belated happy returns, Nick.

I spoke to Kev and he says that he's got one of those card meters installed for the gas and 'leccy these days so that's one less thing to worry about. The royalties on the existing back catalogue mainly go on the hay and kibble for the chinchillas apparently.

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

Release date: 05-09-2011

pfft

Haha

but they were done 2 years ago - preview copies went out then.

Even though I've never heard one, I now have the feeling the 'preview copies' sent our were from the original CD master and the remaster has yet to happen.

So not going to happen: http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2012/03/22/my-bloody-valentine-reissues-loveless-isnt-anything-eps-1988-1991/

(I'm sorry but LOL @ how many of those cassettes I had, in the header of that blog.)

PREVIOUSLY ON SLICING UP EYEBALLS

My Bloody Valentine ‘EPs 1988-1991’ due in May, but reissues vanish from schedule
MBV Watch: My Bloody Valentine ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues bumped to 2012
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues pushed to September
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues delayed until May
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues delayed until March
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues bumped to 2011
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues pushed to November
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues delayed until August
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues bumped to March
Shocker: My Bloody Valentine ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues delayed. Again
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues due out in January

Comedy comedy comedy.

Now on their official page as "Monday 7th May".

It doesn't state a particualar year.

Did we get any confirmation as to whether those previes Loveless copies that lucky press-types got were really remastered? That's some shameless shit if they were and they're just being sat on.

It'll still just sound like recordings of whales.

okay, promos for these just flipped through my letterbox, perhaps they're definitely gonna get a release now?

If only on e-bay...

What with all the facebook messages and stuff, this time it's fo' real fo' sho? I pre-ordered them last week anyway. Fully confident they'll arrive early May.

did the earlier promos of loveless include both remaster and 'mastered from 1/2 inch analog tapes' version? i can't remember. that's what's been sent out now.

Yeah it had both versions - my review from when it wasn't released a few years ago is still online: http://www.uncut.co.uk/my-bloody-valentine/my-bloody-valentine-reissues-special-isnt-anythinglovelessthe-coral-sea-review

desperate for new headphones as i listened the leaked FLACS (plural capitalized?) via my koss portapros and.... frankly couldn't tell the difference

If you can't tell on portapros, you wont be able to tell on <£100 headphones.

and if you need better headphones fto tell the difference, then you are into serious snake oil territory.

The leaked loveless flacs were a fake as far as I know, they were removed from waht who are good at moderating these things, but the very good sounding Isn't Anything remasters are still there.

i remember someone saying the leaked remasters were EQ'ed vinyl rips.
could be wrong though.

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
CD £9.00 Free Delivery

Release date: 07-05-2012

I've got a £50 bet with my gf that the remasters won't come out this year.

Well they haven't changed it yet, but I'd only be interested in a vinyl rip anyway, and that's not on the cards at the moment.

There's a bit of a Loveless bubble going on at the moment. Sold my slightly worn original vinyl version a couple of years ago for £20, anticipating the remaster, but now they seem to go for £60+ on Discogs. I even managed to get a tenner for my pretty scratched Creation-era repress CD last year as well. Bizarre.

Vinyl *press*

My vinyl on Plain looks like it's been going for around £40 on ebay - very odd. One went for £150! I don't understand.

Have any popular beat combos been mentioning Loveless as an influence again?

Pretty sure the Loveless LP is the official currency on the Isle of Man now.

there is a full page advert in the latest mojo for the 3 cds which suggests that this is actually going to happen.

could be time to wave ta ra to your £50 notenough.

(5 cds - two are doubles)

Confused about US releases - Amazon's listing an import for like $68, released June 5th. I can't imagine there aren't plans to release these in the States.

OK, well you can listen to the track previews on Amazon now it seems. You can't tell much from the low bitrates on Loveless, but there are clips of the unreleased tracks on the EP:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/EPs-1988-My-Bloody-Valentine/dp/B006VP1OYO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335285943&sr=8-1

What are the last four tracks on disc 2 originally from?

3 are "new", sugar was on a 7" with something?

http://spoiledmetropolis.blogspot.co.uk/2007/06/mbv-sugar-mp3.html says:

"Sugar" is an outtake from the Glider ep sessions. Its only official appearance was on a free cd given away with French magazine "Les Inrockuptibles" in 1991.

"new"... unreleased then? Neato, Angel sounds nice, found it in full no youtube

I have "Sugar" it came on a flexidisc with "The Catalogue" magazine

ugh this remastering sounds awful

*throws headphones down and tosses cd in the garbage*

lool

The inevitable end to this sorry saga.

Loveless needs to be remixed, not remastered. Vocals need to be mixed way higher.

you might try the analogue version.

Or the 'japancakes' cover

Or a different band

A remix would be good, but I'd keep the vocals the same, just give the rhythm section more beef.

Now available to stream at the grauniad

Arrived with us today, so they're really real at least...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p480x480/533470_299683613441004_113107498765284_664585_465102167_n.jpg

listening now

no better way to judge a remastering job than listening to an audio stream on my work computer!

i think this sounds good? i haven't listened to the CD in ages tho

funny that shields is so down on that plain records vinyl release from way back when -- i had a friend who raved about how awesome it sounded.

funny that shields is so down on that plain records vinyl release from way back when -- i had a friend who raved about how awesome it sounded.

Plain got a shit-storm of criticism on the Spiritualized boards about their handling of recent vinyl reissues of the first 3 Spz albums since their m.o. is to just take an off-the-shelf CD and use that for a master. I would avoid anything that company releases.

Shields says not only did they use a commercial CD as the master, that it was also functionally a bootleg, to the degree he was able to get it blocked from sale in the UK

http://https%3A//p.twimg.com/AsSIP6lCEAEM7N4.jpg

I take it all back about them never existing. Half expecting the CDs to be mis-printed with audiobooks of Harry Potter, though.

https://twitter.com/#!/sickmouthy/status/199434090510946304/photo/1

I take it all back about them never existing. Half expecting the CDs to be mis-printed with audiobooks of Harry Potter, though.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, May 7, 2012 10:45 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No, disappointingly low on printed word inserts though. Just some photographic stuff on the e.ps , not sure what came in Loveless. Might have hoped for some commentary from band members as you get on other reissues but maybe MBV weren't like that. An explanation as to why there were 2 different versions of Loveless might have been interesting. Like you can find that online now but when these are discovered by the next generation or dug up as relics of our civilisation people won't find that referencing so easy.

Especially when it's an Archaeological team from Blink 182 University.

Might have hoped for some commentary from band members as you get on other reissues but maybe MBV weren't like that.

wasn't one of the two-year delays because Kevin was working on the sleeve notes?

Seemingly not.

well, these notes leaked out recently, not sure if they're legit
http://www.vinmag.com/online/media/gbu0/prodlg/RGC027-all-work-and-no-play-card.jpg

And, one more time for old times sake..

My Bloody Valentine

New Album
CD £11.00 Free Delivery

Release date: 07-011-2012

I have stolen your joke tylerw. I thought it rather witty.

actually (this is true this time..)

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd

release date: 07-05-2012

currently out of stock

http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/mbv-loveless-2012-remasters.html

tl,dr: The new release has the discs swapped: disc one is supposed to be the digital remaster, and disc two from analog. They are labeled as so too. Except, a blatant manufacturing error - on all copies I've been made aware of - has the wrong labels on the discs. The new release has #1 labeled digital but with the analog master. #2 is labeled analog but has the digital master.

(those aren't my words in the tl,dr)

Would be interested to compare, bitwise, the versions just released and those I got my hands on in 2008.

Soon the original Loveless CD will be a treasured collector's item.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is true, to a degree. What with being out of print for the last few years in anticipation of these remasters they have held a decent value whenever we have had them come in, either secondhand or as left over new stock.

Congratulations on your mail order krakow... truly spreading the Meronian word.

Kiitos paljon! Thanks very much! A project born of obsession and love...

Is that actually true about the mislabelling?

I trust that dude, I have to say.

Maybe not all of them, I'll have to check mine (seems if one has a fuller fade out on "Soon", that's the analogue master)

I think that guy is the guy behind the New Order/Joy Division/Smiths reissues that have been discussed here, I think he knows his stuff.

yeah, exactly.

SO, will list to Loveless CD1 on the way home..

Funny, the e.p. set: First time I've seen a gatefold CD with absolutely nothing on the inside gatefold! (Open again, there's the e.p. covers)

I've been reading similar things about the mislabeling on other sites. Can't say I'm surprised at how they bungled this but it does seem to be common with remasters nowadays.

should start a thread re all these high profile remastering f*ck ups.

i recently picked up the special edition of the spandau ballet debut, and lo', that too is f*cked.

no bass at all. truly dreadful remastering.

then again, they did label the cds correctly.

No bass at all?!? Like... no bass part whatsoever or just no bottom end?

no bottom end.

check the reviews : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Journeys-Glory--Spec--Spandau-Ballet/dp/B0034GYAU8/ref=sr_1_9?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1336497581&sr=1-9

Alas poor Martin Kemp (was it remastered by Gary?)

haha.
no.
seem to have read somewhere tis same bloke who messed up the recent duran remasters, but i can't be 100% certain.

the worst remastering/ mastering job i can think of is the Blur StarShaped DVD which is *legendarily* screwed beyond words. it's the only genuinely unlistenable DVD or CD
i've ever owned.

I believe that was mastered from a VHS copy.

Anyways, I played CD1, it has the 'full fade' on Soon, which makes it a mislabel.

Mind you, the "CD1" and 2 markings are tiny so hey.

Hey what's this? Got a good beat to it.

So, I gave them a listen and I don't think they really fixed the problems with Loveless and Isn't anything. I had heard people say before that Loveless on vinyl sounded amazing and the CD sounded like crap. I have always thought the recording was too tinny and not wide/full enough.

I thought the same thing about Jesus and Mary Chain's Psychocandy, but I think the remaster fixed this album and now it sounds great. I thought Sterelolab's Peng! remaster fixed that album up as much as possible, but the Loveless remaster doesn't do the trick -- in fact, it kind of goes in the other direction. Now, a lot of the vocals sound so separated from the noisy drone that it looses the effect of being behind a wall of sound.

Yo, what Peng! remaster???

ha i just checked the mbv forum for the first time in a lil while: the thing that makes me laugh is how GREEDY everyone is. like there is the perpetual state of still-flickering optimism riding on whispers or occasional kevin shields interviews, but on top of that people are all trying to put DATES on it. like possibly November??. i guess if it really is almost finished then WE COULD HAVE IT LIKE STRAIGHT AWAY? also atm there is a post in which people are enthused by rumours about, 1., deadlines, i guess forgetting the grey sunlightened pencil deadline of 1994 on the wall of a now demolished studio, &, 2., that after recording is finished there would only, "only", ~only~, only be mixing to do. i mean it could be out in october if he just has to scribble mix my new album off his checklist. i am really not different from these people but the similarities between mbv fans & doomsday cults are so marginal.

Peng remaster?

Discogs says reissue is 2008, but I can't see any mention of a remaster.