Loveless Remaster Actually Sound Better?

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I picked up the Loveless remaster on vinyl and I have to say that it certainly does sound a lot better than the cd I've had. I was listening to the cd and I guess (despite not noticing all these years) it does sound really washed out and completely mid-ranged.

Also, I've never heard of Plain Recordings...anyone know the scoop on this? Seems pretty under the radar.

direct_program, Thursday, 13 November 2003 05:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Plain Recordings put out a Cat Power album, but other than that i know nothing.

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 13 November 2003 05:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

plain recordings is part of Runt, which has many sublabels doing reissues and even releasing some new stuff, etc.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

One thing that always bothered me about Loveless was that Soon doesn't properly fade out (at least not on my copy) - it goes into that drum loop and starts to fade, but abruptly stops after about six seconds. Seeing as how Kevin Shields put so much damn work into the album, I've never understood why he'd let such a glaring mistake get through - if you're listening to it at any decent volume (like you're supposed to) you can't miss it. Is that fixed in the remaster?

D.J. Anderson, Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

agh i want this

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think it was a mistake... (have to check the single)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, this reissue has a complete fadeout. And Runt do 4 Men w/Beards records! I love them!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

are there not a few times when songs kind of abruptly stop?
i always thought it was intentional

robin (robin), Thursday, 13 November 2003 09:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

Loveless on CD also sounds very quiet. The volume has to be turned up pas the mark that I nrmally listen to CDs on. My vinyl copy from 1991 sounds much better. I remember 3 Feet High And Rising also being a "quiet" release but that was on vinyl as well. Did anyone read the interview with Shields in The Sunday Times a few weeks back? Some funny stories about the Island Execs sleeping over in his house.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Thursday, 13 November 2003 12:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

The original UK vinyl version to my trained ears at least, sounded complete crap!!!!!! The album versh of "To Hear Knows When" sounded like it was mixed in a concrete mixer compared to the "Tremelo EP" versh. I used to think this was because the album was going at 33rpm as opposed to the EP at 45rpm, but I've got recent remasters of both on CD for not-mucho-dosho, and the EP version really does sound different to the LP versh, and is a slightly better mix. I knows it's a bit perverse, but sounds really good on CD, which is really odd because I usually consider the concept that grungey sounding stuff sounding better on CD as opposed to vinyl to be not unlike the concept of the Barron Knights performance improving when one watches them on DVD!!!!!!!

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Thursday, 13 November 2003 13:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Soon" does fade out properly on my verhs too...

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Thursday, 13 November 2003 13:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

verhs = versh

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Thursday, 13 November 2003 13:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad someone else thinks that "To here knows when" sounds better on "Tremelo" than "Loveless", 'cos I was a bit scared of mentioning it. It sounds, well, clearer and more defined on the EP. If only the CD EP wasn't mastered so bloody quiet...

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 13 November 2003 13:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

That's why you turn up the volume. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

god a loveless sacd is almost too much for me to fathom or wish for

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

my creation LP is pretty flimsy but still does the trick (also: no cheap edits).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

If this album doesn't make Ned buy vinyl then nothing will.

I can't wait to check this out!

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

it's been out for a while.... ?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 November 2003 15:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

Has it? I haven't been able to keep up on new releases much.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 13 November 2003 15:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

there is a connection betw. 4 men w/beards, plain, dbk (who just put out an Absolute Grey reissue), water, and black beauty (which did recent ralph carney and mushroom). their vinyl sounds amazing and LOUD. i remember their Eddie Harris reissue almost blowing my (cheap) speakers. Loveless came out alongside Screamedelica, if i recall correctly.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 13 November 2003 15:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Been out for several months and no, I haven't bought it. What's the need, really? I am not a vinyl audiophile and never have been.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 November 2003 15:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

Don't make me buy this.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 13 November 2003 15:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

((One thing that always bothered me about Loveless was that Soon doesn't properly fade out (at least not on my copy) - it goes into that drum loop and starts to fade, but abruptly stops after about six seconds. Seeing as how Kevin Shields put so much damn work into the album, I've never understood why he'd let such a glaring mistake get through - if you're listening to it at any decent volume (like you're supposed to) you can't miss it. Is that fixed in the remaster? ))

When I first got this, I mentioned the same thing to my friend Keith. His response was that it was intentional - at no point is there ever any silence on the whole release.

Sasha (sgh), Friday, 14 November 2003 01:08 (10 years ago) Permalink


the lack of silence seemed intentional to me as well. i thought there were a few breaks tho. (surely so when you flip the LP over!)
m.

msp, Friday, 14 November 2003 03:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

there's the Isn't Anything remaster vinyl that came out. now THAT's something that really needed to be reworked and made to sound more clear.. my cd always sounded too muddy, and wasn't sure if it was just the way it was recorded or it was just poorly mastered.

Anyone drop the dough for the Isn't Anything vinyl? Worth it?

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 14 November 2003 06:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think my Loveless CD finally crapped out. Bummer.

hstencil, Friday, 14 November 2003 06:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

My new (repressed, I think, got it about three years ago) Creation "Isn't Anything" sounds gorgeous. Completely crystalline etc, nothing even slightly "muddy" about it, and the new one's prob from the same master I guess.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 14 November 2003 06:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think I'll listen to it tonight, actually.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 14 November 2003 06:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

hmm now it's working. Guess I won't have to buy a new copy after all.

hstencil, Friday, 14 November 2003 07:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

is this remastered version vinyl-only?

heywood jablomi (heywood), Friday, 14 November 2003 08:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

This is all very curious - didn't Shields say something to the effect that he'd rather Loveless wasn't coming out on vinyl at all back in '91? I recall an NME interview where he mentioned overseeing the cassette production (paraphrasing from memory - "Everyone thinks that the tape version will automatically be crap, but you'd be surprised what you can do.") The implication was that the CD was really the only medium that was going to do this (at that time unheard) sonic masterpiece justice.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 14 November 2003 11:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

apparently there wasn't meant to be a vinyl pressing and it was (relatively) hastily deleted.

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 14 November 2003 12:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm surprised to hear that, ES - the idea of Creation (or any other UK indie) domestically releasing anything on CD/MC only was unheard of back then. I presume this is where McGee drew the line as far as meeting KS's whims was concerned.

I know that my copy of the LP (just coming out of the Colm-with-sampler track) had a pretty obvious pressing defect on it.

I'd speculate that what's happened here is KS has approached the material with fresh '00s ears and decided that it needed some serious re-EQing.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 14 November 2003 12:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Generally, turning up the sound on a CD is a bad idea. It makes it sound better because all other CDs' sound is turned up nowadays. But the dynamics are a lot better on CDs that are not recorded particularly loudly.

About remasters of 90s CDs. If the remaster sounds better, then they must have done a real lousy job originally.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm very disappointed with the poor quality of the printing of the covers/sleeves/booklets on my CD(s), which I think were part of the Creation Goes Sony cheapo reissue campaign.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Me and a friend are doing some home-baked remasters of some of the EP's, i'll let people know when we're done if anyone wants a copy. Results so far have been pretty good.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

What are you using, Lynskey? Cedar? Sound Forge? Outboard gear?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

Bits and pieces of all sorts - mostly Soundforge though. Multiband compression's giving some of the best results so far as regards getting the low end up to audible levels, eq'ing the low range up just does terrible things. The treble contents a tough one, so saturated that theres fuck all definition to bring out of it.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Also, it sounded better on CD in 1991 when I didn't have a CD player than in 2003 when I have got one.

Also also, mine fades out completely, albeit in an unorthodox manner.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

Anyone drop the dough for the Isn't Anything vinyl? Worth it?

I don't have the reissue, but the Creation pressing I have is probably the loudest recording I own, and is relatively clear (you know, all things considered). Although keep in mind my copy is on Creation, and your CD is on (and the Plain LP reissue would be licesened from) Sire, so the master tapes may vary somewhat.

Funk, Friday, 14 November 2003 22:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

What I love about the album is that it's pretty much the only album I have that I can never set the volume settings too high. I have a stereo system where I usually set the volume to 15-20 or so to get it really loud. When I'm listening to it on headphones, usually you'd set it a little higher, like 20-25. But on Loveless, I have no problem bringing it up to 45 or so. I really can't say that about anything else.

There's a lot of stuff that is simply hidden in the mix that you can't hear without absolutely blasting it. I fell in love with "Blown a Wish" again recently when I heard it being played extremely loudly over the PA at the North Six between sets. Then again, the DJ may have been using the remastered version, which would explain why I was hearing a lot I hadn't remembered hearing on a usual listen. Still...what a great song...what a perfect album.

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 15 November 2003 09:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

I have a vinyl Loveless. I did not know it was rare or controversial.

Like MJ's it has a pretty serious pressing defect, ie. the first track skips like a wee lass in a playground.

Perhaps I could solve the problem if I got hold of some... outboard gear and took it to the middle of a large reservoir.

the pinefox, Saturday, 15 November 2003 15:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

haha!

athos magnani (Cozen), Saturday, 15 November 2003 15:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Decent turntables are pretty cheap now tho

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 16 November 2003 10:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

I wish they'd just sell the uncompressed recording directly. I'll buy whatever tape machine/computer is required.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 16 November 2003 12:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

nice work on the skipping simile jim

robin (robin), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

you mean joe

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't have the reissue, but the Creation pressing I have is probably the loudest recording I own, and is relatively clear (you know, all things considered). Although keep in mind my copy is on Creation, and your CD is on (and the Plain LP reissue would be licesened from) Sire, so the master tapes may vary somewhat.

Huh. Cuz all versions of "Isn't Anything" I've heard, vinyl especially, have sounded criminally quiet... which is extremely frustrating knowing that much of the music on that record gives you the impression it's the most monstrous sounding rock imaginable... "Feed Me With your Kiss", "You Never Should", etc.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

The Isn't Anything songs live were the most monstrous sounding rock imaginable. The rhythm section played like fucking animals.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

He's right, you know.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 November 2003 19:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

When I saw them at Leicester Poly in '91, it was like animals fucking.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 17 November 2003 19:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
I bought this. It does sound like a better mix, but it didn't improve my listening experience as much as I'd expected it would.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

Feed Me With Your Kiss live was a million times more terrifying than Merzbow, Panasonic, anything. I thought my brain was going to implode. You couldn't even plug your ears.

Snappy (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

This has made me realize how shitty side 1 is compared to side 2. (But "Only Shallow" is still a grebt opener)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

There is nothing any "remastering" can do that's gonna make me like the drum sound on Loveless.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Did I read an interview where Kevin Shields said he was going to mix the album again, but with louder bass - or did I just dream it?

I keep thinking about taking each track on this album and adding new bass and drums to it. But I guess I'm almost as lazy as Kevin?

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 4 February 2005 11:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

I have the Minidisc edition of this. Bet you aint seen that.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 4 February 2005 11:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

I have a *copy* on minidisc!

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 4 February 2005 12:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

The mailman just delivered this one today. It does sound better (warmer, more details) but blabla subjective vinyl ludism etc. But holy Kevin...that gatefold sleeve is worth the price alone.

Omar (Omar), Friday, 4 February 2005 18:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

I know I have it on minidisc. I haven't seen it for some time though.

OK, the 2CD 'remaster' is out soon, maybe even now.

Someone post here:
1) What exactly is the difference between CD1 and CD2 (One's a remaster, and one's a remaster of the analogue original)

2) Which sounds better/different and how?

Mark G, Sunday, 8 June 2008 09:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of the reissues, is this listing on Amazon.co.uk the same as that Japanese one that was linked somewhere here last year? If the box includes everything (I really want 'You Made Me Realise' on CD) then I'd be well worth the wait and the extra bucks.

MacDara, Sunday, 8 June 2008 10:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

banriquit, Sunday, 8 June 2008 10:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

the remaster was pushed back to the end of june

akm, Sunday, 8 June 2008 13:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

"You made me realise" is already on Cd.

Mark G, Monday, 9 June 2008 08:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

Um, hasn't it been deleted for years?

MacDara, Monday, 9 June 2008 08:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

I suppose. Is it that hard to get hold of?

Mark G, Monday, 9 June 2008 08:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Amazon resellers have it starting from 50 quid sterling. I love it and all, but I don't love it that much.

MacDara, Monday, 9 June 2008 10:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

FIFTY QUID?

I don't even love my copy that much.....

Mark G, Monday, 9 June 2008 11:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

.. ebay's 'completed' sales has it gone for £42 on a 'buy it now' (i.e. first bidder got it), and £26 for the 12" version.

Mark G, Monday, 9 June 2008 11:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

Im hoping this remaster will sort out the flabby, lifeless bass frequencies on the original release, but I'm gussing we'll just get something with shitty brick-wall limiting turned up to the max.

I'd love to be proved wrong though.

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 9 June 2008 11:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

why 2 discs

eman, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 05:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

are there nerd fights over which version is better

eman, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 05:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

There will be.

There will be.

Telephone thing, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 06:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Next month, isn't it?

I wouldn't hope for new stuff, if even a re-release takes two years, and 8 months of delay.

Mark G, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 08:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

There is an alleged leak up on What.cd. I haven’t given it much of a listen. But both versions mearly sounded louder on the brief comparison I made – if anything the bass was even more dull and muddy, and seeing as that was my biggest problem with the original vinyl and CD versions I stopped listening to it.

It could be a fake, but if it’s legit It is extremely disappointing

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 10:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

I will add I was extremely impressed with the Isn’t Anything remaster job. That was A++

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 10:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

Take a look here for the leak:

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/smf/index.php?topic=1245.0

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 10:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

There's a FLAC version on page 4.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 10:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Isn't Anything remaster, off brief exposure, seems better; fuller, louder, more bottom end, bit without squashing things.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 11:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Some people have had these for a few months... ;)

I wrote about this on another MBV thread. It's subtle, it's louder, it's not overcompressed. See if you can tell the difference between mastered-from-analogue-tape and mastered-from-DAT (if this release still sports both versions).

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 11:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm not convinced the version of Loveless I've just d/l'd is actually a remaster, but I'm at work listening on shitty satellites. Noticable difference with IA but this could well be the same.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 13:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

it can be found anywhere at this point
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=site%3Ablogspot.com+loveless+remastered&spell=1

eman, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 14:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

See if you can tell the difference between mastered-from-analogue-tape and mastered-from-DAT (if this release still sports both versions).

i can yet i can't, like its not nearly enough of a difference to even warrant releasing both. so why? what was their reasoning?

eman, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 14:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm not an audiophile, but I think I'm pretty tuned in to sound-staging, clarity (of whatever the intended sound, even a hazy, reverb-drenched sound), dynamic range, etc. And I guess 'Loveless' is the record most praised for its sonic appeal that I just absolutely don't get. It's always sounded so muddled, muffled (but not in a good Sly Stone kind of way), far-away, thin, and narrow to me that I haven't, in 15 years or so I've never been able to stand listening to it enough to really form an opinion on the quality of the music. I remember liking one track enough to want to put it on a mix tape when I was 14, but even then deciding to cut it because set next to seemingly anything else but a Galaxie 500 song (and even then) it just sounded so weak and shallow.

I'm not trying to troll or be a heretic. I want to hear what it's all about, but it just sounds like a mid-80s 4AD record with all the bass pulled and the reverb quadrupled. Anyone ever read anything that provides insight into why it's considered such a sonic masterpiece? What are other records that people who love this one in terms of sound-design also love?

Soundslike, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

As the previously prolific band were unusually quiet, the UK music press began to speculate. Melody Maker calculated that the total recording cost had come close to £250,000; however, McGee, Green, and Shields dispute this. Shields argued that that estimated cost (and Creation's near-bankruptcy) was a myth exaggerated by McGee because the Creation owner "thought it would be cool." According to Shields, "The amount we spent nobody knows because we never counted. But we worked it out ourselves just by working out how much the studios cost and how much all the engineers cost. 160 thousand pounds was the most we could come to as the actual money that was spent."[16] In Green's opinion, the Melody Maker's estimate erred on the low side, by £20,000. He said, "Once you'd even got it recorded and mixed, the very act of compiling, EQ-ing, etcetera took weeks on its own."[15] In a December 1991 interview, Shields said that most of the money claimed to have been spent on the album was simply "money to live on" over three years, with the album itself only costing "a few thousand". He also claimed that the album represented only four months work over two years.[17] Shields later said that most of the money spent was the band's own money, and that "Creation probably spent fifteen to twenty thousand pounds of their own money on it, and that's it.

Any of these numbers--ouch. This makes me feel even more there's apparently an incredible thing going on here (or at least attempted) that my ears are just not programmed to receive. . .

Soundslike, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

If you are listening to a download that is 222MB in size, you are listening to a fake.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

Read My Magpie Eyes or hit the index for the MBV juicy bits at a shop, Soundslike. The time-suck of recording Loveless is detailed (from predominately outside perspectives). Lots of perch-knocking re: Shields in that book, probably deserved in terms of the headaches he caused his backers.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

Mike McGonigal's book on the album contains a lot of rebuttal to those general accounts via Shields himself -- truth doubtless is somewhere in between.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've never spoken about it, but I think in large part Mike got taken for a ride on the good ship Shields there.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

If you are listening to a download that is 222MB in size, you are listening to a fake.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:01 AM

how do u know? fake megabytes?

eman, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

The recent torrent posted on What.CD is a fake. It is not the remastered 2-CD edition of Loveless - it is the original CD run through mild DSP on someone's computer and uploaded to acquire seed ratio with trackers. Believe it or not, this is a lucrative proposition for some kids.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

there was a double cd someone posted on another loveless thread here that purported to be the remaster, but I couldn't tell the difference b/w those and the original. the isn't anything leak that was laying around a few months ago did sound different; not necessarily better, just different. if that was legitimate I don't think I'll bother purchasing it, I have no problem with the original CDs of any of these, frankly.

akm, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

I must have the fake, because I can't tell any difference. Either that or my ears are still shot from seeing the White Stripes in a small club back in '03.

Jazzbo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

I would bet all the leaks are fake. So don't go making judgements on it yet.

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 19:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

which sounds better the fake disc 1 or fake disc 2

eman, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 19:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

They did a spot on this, on "Freshly Squeezed" on C4 this morning.

Mark G, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 13:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

The real remasters are never fucking coming out anyway.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've downloaded the 2 CD loveless "resmaster"... I've only listened to each version once but so far I can't tell the difference between them and the old CD version I have...

AleXTC, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 17:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Supposed to actually be out today!

Mark G, Monday, 9 March 2009 08:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

Now HMV has it as 6th April.

bye.

Mark G, Monday, 9 March 2009 09:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

>The real remasters are never fucking coming out anyway.

OTM! This from Pfork's original news story:

"As initially reported on Wired's Blog Network and now confirmed by a Sony BMG UK rep, the only two MBV albums that matter (This Is Your Bloody Valentine was practically an EP anyway) will hit UK shops June 16 in newly remastered formats."

so that was June 16 last year and the delay has been because Shields has been writing the liner notes? Or cleaning chinchilla cages?

Bill A, Monday, 9 March 2009 12:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

writing the liner notes.

They'd better be damn good!

Mark G, Monday, 9 March 2009 13:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's also April 6th on Amazon : so is this really a remastered version ?

AleXTC, Thursday, 12 March 2009 15:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ok so how does the limited edition red vinyl "remaster" released last year fit in? To my ears it sounded much better than my old CD.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 12 March 2009 17:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Each month Amazon bumps the release date back to the next month. These are NEVER being released.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 12 March 2009 17:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's a race to see which comes out first, this or the next MBV album.

Mark, Friday, 13 March 2009 00:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 13 March 2009 09:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yep, Chinese Democracy...

Mark G, Friday, 13 March 2009 10:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Actually, soon it'll be time for another Loveless reissue-- mastering technology has changed since these were announced. So let's hold out for the 20th Ann. set.

Mark, Friday, 13 March 2009 14:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

what has changed about "remastering technology"?

akm, Friday, 13 March 2009 14:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Now HMV has it as 6th April. 1st June.

Mark G, Saturday, 25 April 2009 06:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

Shields: "I bet I can get in the news a lot just by talking about remastering those albums"
man at pub: "fuck off, that was all a long time ago, nobody even remembers your band"
Shields: "five pounds says I can get headlines"
man at pub: "it's a bet!"

--

Shields: "I guess I'll be collecting my five pounds from you tonight!"
man at pub: "oh do fuck off, those are headlines on a fucking website, nobody else reported it or even knows who you are"
Shields: "five more says I can do it again with the exact same piece of news in four months"
man at pub: "that's a bet right there my friend, website or no"

--

man at pub: "change a twenty?"
Shields: "oh don't look so glum. want to double that? I could always talk about b-sides"
man at pub: "LYSOL DOUCHE"

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Saturday, 25 April 2009 08:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've said it before, I'll say it again; they do not exist.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 25 April 2009 09:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh yes they do.

Michael Jones, Saturday, 25 April 2009 11:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Lies!

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 25 April 2009 14:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

you think he's just bullshitting everyone about having worked on remastering at least some of this stuff?
in other news, I saw MBV last night. Glorious.

tylerw, Saturday, 25 April 2009 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

did they play the remastered versions?

Dr. Phil, Saturday, 25 April 2009 16:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

there was a lot of defraction & thermal runaway in the signal chain

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Saturday, 25 April 2009 16:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

MBV definitely emerged victorious in the Loudness Wars last night.

tylerw, Saturday, 25 April 2009 16:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Now HMV has it as 6th April. 1st June. 6th July, for LP and CD formats.

Mark G, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 14:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Never happening.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 14:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

These will come out right after Chinese Democracy shit, Neil Young's Archives shit, well... never.

the sideburns are album-specific (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

you meant 'before' there, but hey...

Mark G, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes, cold medicine addled brain screwed that all up. Point made, I think.

the sideburns are album-specific (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah now that the beatles remasters are actually coming out, these remain the only long-anticipated holdouts, I think.

akm, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well, apart from the Desparate Bicycles anthology...

Mark G, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

and the dolly mixture anthology!

the ring toun (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 23:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Derrick May will have made a new tune by the time these remasters arrive.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 11:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd £8.99
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

release date: 28-9-2009

Mark G, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 15:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

Now it's in the race with the Kraftwerk box set.

Mark G, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 16:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Release date: 28-9-2009

ooh, hasn't changed for 2 weeks!

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 14:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

It doesn't exist.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 14:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's there for people who are awaiting new material to get told "Pssh, how long has it taken them to do a RE-RELEASE???"

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 14:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've downloaded the 2 CD loveless "resmaster"... I've only listened to each version once but so far I can't tell the difference between them and the old CD version I have...

Yeah I wonder what it was that I downloaded.

cashew and green pea pulao (fields of salmon), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 15:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 08:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

Never Happening.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 08:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

hang on....

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 08:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

The “Isn't Anything” remaster I downloaded sounded really really good - even if it’s not legit it’s a huge improvement over the original CD version.

Would be nice if the Loveless one came out one day though.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 09:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Maybe they are waiting to combine it with "Rock Band: My Bloody Valentine Edition", but I'm going to have to plagiarise my own post from the other MBV thread:

How you uh, how you comin' on that novel you're working on? Huh? Gotta a big, uh, big stack of papers there? Gotta, gotta nice little story you're working on there? Your big novel you've been working on for 3 years? Huh? Gotta, gotta compelling protagonist? Yeah? Gotta obstacle for him to overcome? Huh? Gotta story brewing there? Working on, working on that for quite some time? Huh? (voice getting higher pitched) Yea, talking about that 3 years ago. Been working on that the whole time? Nice little narrative? Beginning, middle, and end? Some friends become enemies, some enemies become friends? At the end your main character is richer from the experience? Yeah? Yeah? (voice returns to normal) No, no, you deserve some time off.

Bill A, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 10:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

HAHA. Don't usually rate Family Guy - but that scene is so OTM.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 10:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

release date: 04-01-2010

pre order now

So, the date is holding (for now?)

It won't be that long until it's out of copyright!

Mark G, Thursday, 29 October 2009 11:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Never gonna happen.

exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hello Never gonna happen post, once again you meet with Release date post..

Mark G, Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Those liner notes don't write themselves you know!

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I did see someone selling his "Isn't Anything" 2009 promo on e-bay.

It looked legit, fwiw...

Mark G, Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

the 'leaks' of these that were out were faked, no?

akm, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

copies (of the loveless cds) have been sent out to journalists (minus artwork and those all-important sleevenotes*). this was summer 2008. i have seen them, but not heard them.

* really, who cares? release the cds, put the notes on a website when they're done.

koogs, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Loveless one was definitely a fake - and sounded it.

The Isn't Anything leak was probably the real thing, and sounds much better than the original CD master.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't this originally scheduled for 2007? It's highly appropriate that even the reissue is delayed that long, ha ha.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

When this finally comes out on brainchip in 2037 it had goddamn well better include the Weatherall remixes.

More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Thursday, 29 October 2009 21:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Release date: 04-01-2010

Now it's almost within reach!

Mark G, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 12:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Nice to see this thread is now the top result for "loveless remaster" on google. Without quotes it's still second, just behind Amazon uk and that tantalising (never gonna happen) date.

Bill A, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 13:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

you guys realize that that release date is april fool's day, right? it's also a thursday.

Robert Necrofrost, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

ahh, how the watery divide divides us again: that's 4th January 2010 in Britisher dates.

Prolly be able to rename it Shields's Fools Day though.

Bill A, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN

exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

I find your lack of faith disturbing. Clearly this is now going to be the late Christmas present that Kev has been promising us for three years. So what if he's keen to make sure the enclosed chinchilla breeders guide booklet is factually accurate?

Bill A, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also, in keeping with the recent concerts, he is making sure these CDs are THE LOUDEST OF ALL TIME.

tylerw, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 19:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Looks like Kev wants Christmas to be just a little later, again (from Amazon UK):

This title will be released on January 25, 2010.
Pre-order now!

THIS IS JUST A SAGA NOW.

Bill A, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

Quiet, I'm making my Youtube Star Wars Review (Z S), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 17:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

IT DOESN'T EXIST.

exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 18:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

more info
My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

release date: 15-02-2010

Mark G, Monday, 4 January 2010 12:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

i got my copy this morning. amazon have done this to me before with books -- a pleasant surprise.

the shart of noise (history mayne), Monday, 4 January 2010 12:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

Swear that on the Bible!

Mark G, Monday, 4 January 2010 12:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

for me, loveless *is* the bible.

and the remaster is some king james shit.

the shart of noise (history mayne), Monday, 4 January 2010 12:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

nrq: stargazing indie-kid at heart

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 12:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

pics or it didn't etc

mr bollock apple (electricsound), Monday, 4 January 2010 21:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

...

Mark G, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

don't have a digital camera

just someone who's l o s t (history mayne), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^^^^^^ making it up no such thing natch

Karen Tregaskin, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

anyway i don't believe your loveless = bible ; remaster = kjv analogy anyway

the original was the kjv and this remaster is going to be some terrible modern updating with all the 'thees' and 'thous' taken out and god trying to be down with the kids talking like yr mum trying to be yr homies or something

Karen Tregaskin, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

just someone who's l o s t (history mayne), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

loool

mr bollock apple (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

Karen Tregaskin, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's been on the HMV coming up page for every week since it was first scheduled ...

ithappens, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

karen the kjv while beautiful is not a good translation, which I think is the point of the analogy

Herodcare for the Unborn (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'd be curious to know if there any differences between the promo copies I've had since... what, Sep '08? and history mayne's newly-delivered CDs. Did it just take 18 months to write the sleeve notes or was there further tweaking to be done?

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

hmm. i get the impression that there's been more tweaking since then, but you'll have to send me the promos so i can make the comparison.

just someone who's l o s t (history mayne), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

shieldsy spending 18 months 'tweaking'?

never!

Karen Tregaskin, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

No, YOU'LL have to send me YOUR copies. I'm not falling for that old trick, Mr So-Called history mayne.

xp

(Anyway - still the two versions, one from DAT, one from analogue multi-track?)

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

three versions!

just someone who's l o s t (history mayne), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 11:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha. Bless him. I wouldn't want to stand behind this guy in the queue at Starbucks.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 12:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, my minidisc version! xpost

(This is true, btw)

Mark G, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 12:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

(that day was June 22nd, Mike. and S had probably had them a while by then. search tag's photos for International Colouring Contest)

amazon was listing the md version until quite recently (probably less than 18 months ago). actually, their minidisc list is quite long and there are bargains to be had, some of them quite odd choices (Smashing Orange anyone? Godzilla soundtrack? several Clash compilations, some Bjork)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/b/ref=amb_link_19555465_37?node=382531011

(i have exactly 1 (one) prerecorded minidisc - Minidisc by Gescom)

koogs, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 14:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha. Bless him. I wouldn't want to stand behind this guy in the queue at Starbucks.

ha ha
there's a my bloody valentine forum, and when it opened someone kept posting jokes like, kevin shields' wife is pregnant! the baby will be born in eight years.

i would actually be intrigued by any footnotes for this, whether or not they're a legitimate justification for the wait.

high-five machine (schlump), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 14:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

I see a bunch of the ones I have are on that list.

Sandinista, £150? Hmm...

Mark G, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 15:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is she signed to Sony, do you think?

exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 19:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol actually yeah

I own all her records

Herodcare for the Unborn (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 19:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

wait, does that imply he's working on a Memory Stick version as well? will that be a different mix again?

koogs, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

iirc the delays are down to Kev writing his own audio codec so that none of the remastered nuances are lost on the Memory Stick release.

Bill A, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

This title will be released on March 8, 2010.
Pre-order now!

It actually now feels like he doesn't want any fans to be happy ever again.

Bill A, Monday, 18 January 2010 23:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

The day before my b-day?

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 12:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

i thought that. in october.

koogs, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 12:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

From "This is yourspace":

Sunday, January 17, 2010
Bilinda isn't a member of Facebook or any social networking site
Bilinda Butcher would like to point out that she doesn't have a Facebook page. The person who is pretending to be Bilinda Jayne Butcher isn't her, nor are any of the other Bilinda Butchers online. Bilinda isn't a member of any social networking sites. If they could all stop pretending to be her she would appreciate it.
6:06 PM 14 Comments

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 12:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also:

18 Jan 2010 19:37

paul weller singing over kevin shields guitars is the musical equivalent of a dog taking a shit on your birthday cake. tosser

Charming!

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 12:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

The one that was floating around last year is hilarious. The two "versions" are indistinguishable.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 15:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wonder if there is a psychiatric term for this kind of neverending procrastination? Because it seems like the actual remastering process was done and dusted many, many months (if not years) ago, so the *only* thing now holding this up is the sleevenotes? It's like Kev keeps missing the deadline for his essay and is giving his indulgent tutor more and more excuses (except no excuses are actually being given, other than the eternal "getting it right" nonsense).

And all this for fucking REMASTERS! God forbid they should actually attempt to release some new material in the next decade. Maybe they are all rich enough (which I doubt), but surely Colm, Deb and Bilinda would not mind seeing a little £££ from these things actually going on sale?

I've gone all the way from excitement, to amusement, to dismissal, back to amusement and now pissed offness over this. What a shambles.

Bill A, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 15:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think I need a lie down, actually.

Bill A, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 15:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

(and to stop using the word actually all the time)

Bill A, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 16:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's still nothing compared to the gap between the Kraftwerk remasters box set promos and the eventual release.

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 16:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wonder how much Deb makes from sales of Loveless.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 16:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hope she still gets something fair.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 16:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Deb Gucci

freezoni appleby 2010 (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 16:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

This title will be released on August 23, 2010.

Bill A, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

i listen to both versions pretty much equally atm, v different experiences

the archetypal ghetto hustler (history mayne), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I imagine the remasters you received are somewhat quieter?

Bill A, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

loud enough for me to hear 'em

the archetypal ghetto hustler (history mayne), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

If you play the original vinyl, the original CD and both remastered CDs simultaneously, Zaireeka fashion, sample the resultant signal, and then run the .wav through a decrypter you get an ascii file which depicts Kev pulling a goatse 4 tha fanz.

Bill A, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

more info
My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

release date: 07-06-2010

Mark G, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 09:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

This thing'll never come out.

AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

What's yr source, Mark? Amazon UK is holding steady for 23 August: the day when we can forget all this unpleasantness and carry on with our lives.

Bill A, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Each date has come from HMV uk, historically.

Mark G, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Still, I'm slightly encouraged by reports of 'Loveless' recently going out of print in the UK.

AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 15:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I downloaded a FLAC from a torrent site claiming to be the remastered 'Loveless' and either the remastering is particularly subtle or its a load of bollocks.

AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 15:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'll believe it when I see it.

skip, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 17:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

I assume it'll come with the EPs that preceded it?

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 18:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

I've recently re-discovered how fucking marvelous that Tremolo EP was

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ha, I just played it in the car on the way home.

Mark G, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 20:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

> I assume it'll come with the EPs that preceded it?

no, is just the lp, twice.

demo cds were sent out to journos in summer 08. so the music's all done, it's everything else that's holding it up. that's the annoying thing.

koogs, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Can't tell if you're being serious, is it really the album twice? Different formats?

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yep, once remastered off the stereo DAT masters, once remastered off the analogue tapes. I think that's right. It's been a while...

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Of course I'm doubtful that, even if it is released in the UK, it'll ever show up here in the States as anything but an expensive import.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's everything else that's holding it up. that's the annoying thing.
what is this "everything else"?

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

once remastered off the stereo DAT masters, once remastered off the analogue tapes

This reminds me of the adage about the man with one watch knows what time it is while the man with two watches is never sure. Why don't they just do one definitive version?

everything, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

> what is this "everything else"?

the usual crap that makes a released cd different from a demo cd - artwork, sleevenotes(?) etc. the ones i saw (and that mike ended up with) were just stamped cds (ie not cdrs and iirc were properly printed on the label side, albeit only with text, no colours or pictures) in a transparent plastic wallet.

koogs, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

so the demo CDs haven't actually leaked? was under the impression that the so-called Loveless remasters floating around last year were fakes ...

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

dunno, i've not actually heard them (and don't go hunting for leaks). i didn't ask mike for a copy at the time figuring that they'd be available for sale the following month... (and, tbh, i can wait)

koogs, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Been a while, so:

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

release date: 14-03-2011

Mark G, Friday, 20 August 2010 12:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Never gonna happen

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 20 August 2010 13:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yay!

Mark G, Friday, 20 August 2010 13:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Amazon.co.uk finds your lack of faith disturbing:

Price: £8.99 & this item Delivered FREE in the UK with Super Saver Delivery. See details and conditions
This title will be released on January 24, 2011.

Bill A, Friday, 20 August 2010 13:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

This title will be released on January 24, 2011.

atlas ¯\(°_o)/¯ed (am0n), Thursday, 23 September 2010 18:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Like hell will it.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 23 September 2010 19:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Might as well wait for a 20-year anniversary edition now.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Anniversary of the reunion, sure.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

"Screamadelica – The Collector’s Edition’ will comprise:
CD1: Re-Mastered album (Re-mastered by Primal Scream & Kevin Shields)
..."

twisting the knife there...

koogs, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

It'll never happen...

― Mark G, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 13:51 (2 hours ago)

mark e, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

"This title will be released on January 24, 2011."

still

koogs, Sunday, 16 January 2011 19:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

Shields did just come out of re-mastering Screamadelica. I'm sure somebody out there took notice and plopped Loveless down right next to him whilst at the control panel, with a hint-hint-nudge-nude "hey, while you're at it".

heh (kelpolaris), Sunday, 16 January 2011 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

um, freudian slip

heh (kelpolaris), Sunday, 16 January 2011 19:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

but they were done 2 years ago - preview copies went out then.

koogs, Sunday, 16 January 2011 19:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

BAH GOD

heh (kelpolaris), Sunday, 16 January 2011 20:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

"This title will be released on May 16, 2011."

koogs, Thursday, 20 January 2011 12:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. When's the 20th anniversary?

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

This November, I think.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

He meant the 20th anniversary of the first announcement of the remasters.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh! Next November then.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

can't believe kevin shields managed to add another 'great lost album' to his collection of 'great lost albums', especially with it being one he'd already released

schlump, Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

How the fuck does this guy pay his fucking bills?

Ukranian crocodile that swallowed a mobile phone (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

Check'll be there May 16, 2011.

Slade Venom Secret Police (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 5 February 2011 08:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Day after my 32nd birthday. We've been talking about these remasters since I was in my mid-20s.

Ukranian crocodile that swallowed a mobile phone (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 5 February 2011 08:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Belated happy returns, Nick.

I spoke to Kev and he says that he's got one of those card meters installed for the gas and 'leccy these days so that's one less thing to worry about. The royalties on the existing back catalogue mainly go on the hay and kibble for the chinchillas apparently.

Bill A, Saturday, 5 February 2011 11:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
list price £16.99 your saving £8.00

Release date: 05-09-2011

Mark G, Friday, 18 March 2011 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

pfft

yeah (kelpolaris), Friday, 18 March 2011 15:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Haha

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 March 2011 15:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

but they were done 2 years ago - preview copies went out then.

Even though I've never heard one, I now have the feeling the 'preview copies' sent our were from the original CD master and the remaster has yet to happen.

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 18 March 2011 15:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

(I'm sorry but LOL @ how many of those cassettes I had, in the header of that blog.)

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

PREVIOUSLY ON SLICING UP EYEBALLS

My Bloody Valentine ‘EPs 1988-1991’ due in May, but reissues vanish from schedule
MBV Watch: My Bloody Valentine ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues bumped to 2012
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues pushed to September
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues delayed until May
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues delayed until March
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues bumped to 2011
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues pushed to November
My Bloody Valentine’s ‘Loveless,’ ‘Isn’t Anything’ reissues delayed until August
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skip, Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Comedy comedy comedy.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Now on their official page as "Monday 7th May".

It doesn't state a particualar year.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Did we get any confirmation as to whether those previes Loveless copies that lucky press-types got were really remastered? That's some shameless shit if they were and they're just being sat on.

get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Thursday, 22 March 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

It'll still just sound like recordings of whales.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 23:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

okay, promos for these just flipped through my letterbox, perhaps they're definitely gonna get a release now?

brokering (pimping) (stevie), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 10:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

If only on e-bay...

Mark G, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 10:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

What with all the facebook messages and stuff, this time it's fo' real fo' sho? I pre-ordered them last week anyway. Fully confident they'll arrive early May.

willem, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 11:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

did the earlier promos of loveless include both remaster and 'mastered from 1/2 inch analog tapes' version? i can't remember. that's what's been sent out now.

Nascar Pony (stevie), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 11:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah it had both versions - my review from when it wasn't released a few years ago is still online: http://www.uncut.co.uk/my-bloody-valentine/my-bloody-valentine-reissues-special-isnt-anythinglovelessthe-coral-sea-review

Stevie T, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 11:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

desperate for new headphones as i listened the leaked FLACS (plural capitalized?) via my koss portapros and.... frankly couldn't tell the difference

kelpolaris, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

If you can't tell on portapros, you wont be able to tell on <£100 headphones.

and if you need better headphones fto tell the difference, then you are into serious snake oil territory.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

The leaked loveless flacs were a fake as far as I know, they were removed from waht who are good at moderating these things, but the very good sounding Isn't Anything remasters are still there.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i remember someone saying the leaked remasters were EQ'ed vinyl rips.
could be wrong though.

BringTheAuBonPain, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd
CD £9.00 Free Delivery

Release date: 07-05-2012

Mark G, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've got a £50 bet with my gf that the remasters won't come out this year.

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well they haven't changed it yet, but I'd only be interested in a vinyl rip anyway, and that's not on the cards at the moment.

There's a bit of a Loveless bubble going on at the moment. Sold my slightly worn original vinyl version a couple of years ago for £20, anticipating the remaster, but now they seem to go for £60+ on Discogs. I even managed to get a tenner for my pretty scratched Creation-era repress CD last year as well. Bizarre.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Vinyl *press*

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

My vinyl on Plain looks like it's been going for around £40 on ebay - very odd. One went for £150! I don't understand.

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Have any popular beat combos been mentioning Loveless as an influence again?

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 11:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pretty sure the Loveless LP is the official currency on the Isle of Man now.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

there is a full page advert in the latest mojo for the 3 cds which suggests that this is actually going to happen.

could be time to wave ta ra to your £50 notenough.

mark e, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

(5 cds - two are doubles)

koogs, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Confused about US releases - Amazon's listing an import for like $68, released June 5th. I can't imagine there aren't plans to release these in the States.

Brakhage, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

OK, well you can listen to the track previews on Amazon now it seems. You can't tell much from the low bitrates on Loveless, but there are clips of the unreleased tracks on the EP:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/EPs-1988-My-Bloody-Valentine/dp/B006VP1OYO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335285943&sr=8-1

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

What are the last four tracks on disc 2 originally from?

Evan, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 are "new", sugar was on a 7" with something?

http://spoiledmetropolis.blogspot.co.uk/2007/06/mbv-sugar-mp3.html says:

"Sugar" is an outtake from the Glider ep sessions. Its only official appearance was on a free cd given away with French magazine "Les Inrockuptibles" in 1991.

koogs, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

"new"... unreleased then? Neato, Angel sounds nice, found it in full no youtube

Evan, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have "Sugar" it came on a flexidisc with "The Catalogue" magazine

Mark G, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

ugh this remastering sounds awful

*throws headphones down and tosses cd in the garbage*

am0n, Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

lool

the sunno)))boys (electricsound), Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

The inevitable end to this sorry saga.

Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 28 April 2012 09:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Loveless needs to be remixed, not remastered. Vocals need to be mixed way higher.

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 28 April 2012 10:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

you might try the analogue version.

Or the 'japancakes' cover

Mark G, Saturday, 28 April 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Or a different band

Jamie_ATP, Saturday, 28 April 2012 12:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

A remix would be good, but I'd keep the vocals the same, just give the rhythm section more beef.

Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 28 April 2012 12:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Now available to stream at the grauniad

sktsh, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 08:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Arrived with us today, so they're really real at least...

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

listening now

no better way to judge a remastering job than listening to an audio stream on my work computer!

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think this sounds good? i haven't listened to the CD in ages tho

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

funny that shields is so down on that plain records vinyl release from way back when -- i had a friend who raved about how awesome it sounded.

tylerw, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

funny that shields is so down on that plain records vinyl release from way back when -- i had a friend who raved about how awesome it sounded.

Plain got a shit-storm of criticism on the Spiritualized boards about their handling of recent vinyl reissues of the first 3 Spz albums since their m.o. is to just take an off-the-shelf CD and use that for a master. I would avoid anything that company releases.

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Shields says not only did they use a commercial CD as the master, that it was also functionally a bootleg, to the degree he was able to get it blocked from sale in the UK

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I take it all back about them never existing. Half expecting the CDs to be mis-printed with audiobooks of Harry Potter, though.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 7 May 2012 09:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I take it all back about them never existing. Half expecting the CDs to be mis-printed with audiobooks of Harry Potter, though.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, May 7, 2012 10:45 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No, disappointingly low on printed word inserts though. Just some photographic stuff on the e.ps , not sure what came in Loveless. Might have hoped for some commentary from band members as you get on other reissues but maybe MBV weren't like that. An explanation as to why there were 2 different versions of Loveless might have been interesting. Like you can find that online now but when these are discovered by the next generation or dug up as relics of our civilisation people won't find that referencing so easy.

Stevolende, Monday, 7 May 2012 10:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Especially when it's an Archaeological team from Blink 182 University.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 7 May 2012 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Might have hoped for some commentary from band members as you get on other reissues but maybe MBV weren't like that.

wasn't one of the two-year delays because Kevin was working on the sleeve notes?

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, 7 May 2012 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seemingly not.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 7 May 2012 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, these notes leaked out recently, not sure if they're legit

tylerw, Monday, 7 May 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

And, one more time for old times sake..

My Bloody Valentine

New Album
CD £11.00 Free Delivery

Release date: 07-011-2012

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 08:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have stolen your joke tylerw. I thought it rather witty.

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 08:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually (this is true this time..)

My Bloody Valentine

Loveless: Remastered: 2cd

release date: 07-05-2012

currently out of stock

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/mbv-loveless-2012-remasters.html

tl,dr: The new release has the discs swapped: disc one is supposed to be the digital remaster, and disc two from analog. They are labeled as so too. Except, a blatant manufacturing error - on all copies I've been made aware of - has the wrong labels on the discs. The new release has #1 labeled digital but with the analog master. #2 is labeled analog but has the digital master.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

(those aren't my words in the tl,dr)

nate woolls, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Would be interested to compare, bitwise, the versions just released and those I got my hands on in 2008.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Soon the original Loveless CD will be a treasured collector's item.

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't be surprised if that is true, to a degree. What with being out of print for the last few years in anticipation of these remasters they have held a decent value whenever we have had them come in, either secondhand or as left over new stock.

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Congratulations on your mail order krakow... truly spreading the Meronian word.

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Kiitos paljon! Thanks very much! A project born of obsession and love...

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 11:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is that actually true about the mislabelling?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 13:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I trust that dude, I have to say.

Maybe not all of them, I'll have to check mine (seems if one has a fuller fade out on "Soon", that's the analogue master)

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think that guy is the guy behind the New Order/Joy Division/Smiths reissues that have been discussed here, I think he knows his stuff.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, exactly.

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

SO, will list to Loveless CD1 on the way home..

Funny, the e.p. set: First time I've seen a gatefold CD with absolutely nothing on the inside gatefold! (Open again, there's the e.p. covers)

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've been reading similar things about the mislabeling on other sites. Can't say I'm surprised at how they bungled this but it does seem to be common with remasters nowadays.

skip, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

should start a thread re all these high profile remastering f*ck ups.

i recently picked up the special edition of the spandau ballet debut, and lo', that too is f*cked.

no bass at all. truly dreadful remastering.

then again, they did label the cds correctly.

mark e, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

No bass at all?!? Like... no bass part whatsoever or just no bottom end?

btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Alas poor Martin Kemp (was it remastered by Gary?)

btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha.
no.
seem to have read somewhere tis same bloke who messed up the recent duran remasters, but i can't be 100% certain.

mark e, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

the worst remastering/ mastering job i can think of is the Blur StarShaped DVD which is *legendarily* screwed beyond words. it's the only genuinely unlistenable DVD or CD
i've ever owned.

piscesx, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

I believe that was mastered from a VHS copy.

Anyways, I played CD1, it has the 'full fade' on Soon, which makes it a mislabel.

Mind you, the "CD1" and 2 markings are tiny so hey.

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Hey what's this? Got a good beat to it.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 22 September 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

So, I gave them a listen and I don't think they really fixed the problems with Loveless and Isn't anything. I had heard people say before that Loveless on vinyl sounded amazing and the CD sounded like crap. I have always thought the recording was too tinny and not wide/full enough.

I thought the same thing about Jesus and Mary Chain's Psychocandy, but I think the remaster fixed this album and now it sounds great. I thought Sterelolab's Peng! remaster fixed that album up as much as possible, but the Loveless remaster doesn't do the trick -- in fact, it kind of goes in the other direction. Now, a lot of the vocals sound so separated from the noisy drone that it looses the effect of being behind a wall of sound.

3×5, Sunday, 23 September 2012 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yo, what Peng! remaster???

gwenguthrie gwen ross (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 23 September 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha i just checked the mbv forum for the first time in a lil while: the thing that makes me laugh is how GREEDY everyone is. like there is the perpetual state of still-flickering optimism riding on whispers or occasional kevin shields interviews, but on top of that people are all trying to put DATES on it. like possibly November??. i guess if it really is almost finished then WE COULD HAVE IT LIKE STRAIGHT AWAY? also atm there is a post in which people are enthused by rumours about, 1., deadlines, i guess forgetting the grey sunlightened pencil deadline of 1994 on the wall of a now demolished studio, &, 2., that after recording is finished there would only, "only", ~only~, only be mixing to do. i mean it could be out in october if he just has to scribble mix my new album off his checklist. i am really not different from these people but the similarities between mbv fans & doomsday cults are so marginal.

let's get the banned back together (schlump), Sunday, 23 September 2012 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Peng remaster?

svend, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Discogs says reissue is 2008, but I can't see any mention of a remaster.

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink


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