Ned, let's talk about your 136 Albums of the 90s.

In all likelihood I would have charted
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anglophile

I noticed that, too. However, the fact it is Brit-centered prevents my having to drill some sense into him. (But then I would) say that...;>)

And Slowdive, too? Result!

a world where someone actually owns goo goo dolls albums...(anyone else remember when they made a cameo on BH 90210?)

Wonderful list. Why is Tom Ewing's albums of the nineties list inaccessible? Only the singles link works.

http://www.archive.org/

Er?

anglophile

Was this an insult? A massive failure as such.

No Maxinquaye ! ? ! ? @ ~ ! !

*MASSIVELY* overrated. A couple of great songs, otherwise Pre-Millenial Tension rules in comparison.

a world without wu tang

Hmm.

a world where someone actually owns goo goo dolls albums.

Better that than Nirvana albums these days, lemme tell ya.

Proof that he didn't vote his heart: no Wish.

Nah, it just doesn't work for me as much as other Cure albums...

I feel that raking Aphex Twin Selected Ambient II at number 11 and not ranking Selected Ambient I at all is a window into some sort of unhealthiness

SAW I is an album of a number of great moments and others I just can't remember as well. SAW II honestly feels like a piece.

i need to hear more happy hardcore

Everyone does!

Only these 10 picks suck arse. Everything else is
top-notch, thanks1

Kudos for boosting Ride and James, two bands that never get
enough respect.

It does, but I was bringing personal baggage to that statement (again). SAW II upsets me. It puts me in a strange place, whereas SAW I puts me in a happy place.

Oops.

I understand the idea of it being "your favorites," but in that area, I'd recommend listening to more hip hop before ranking PM Dawn at 26.

I suppose I'm crazy to ask the whereabouts of Midnight Mauraders, Stress: Extinction Agenda, The Chronic, 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Mecca and the Soul Brother, Pharcyde, ANY Gang Starr album, Digable Planets, Doggystyle, Black Bastards, Funcrusher Plus, Vagina Diner, Runaway Slave, The Infamous, Aquemini, Ready To Die, Supreme Clientele, Reasonable Doubt, We Can't Be Stopped, Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Death Certificate, Fear of a Black Planet, Apocalypse 91, Endtroducing, etc. etc. etc....

Lars, tis oh so wrong. Let me count the ways....

I don't think you do get the concept.

no. it may have large prof, but this stinks.

RIMSHOT! [pun intended!]

I'm quite positive I do.
He's reviewing hip hop from a rock critic's perspective - thus all the criticisms of Jim Dero for considering PM Dawn to be the height of hip hop...

"no. it may have large prof, but this stinks."

Nonsense.
Akinyele is good shit.
"I luh her" is classic.

I actually do like some individual songs (and much to my surprise, have all the albums still) but I have never understood or felt a connection to the abject worship.

SAW II upsets me. It puts me in a strange place

Precisely why I love it so.

I suppose I'm crazy to ask the whereabouts of...

I actually own about...*counts*...twelve, thirteen of those on that list and have heard most of the rest. I would include Ready to Die on a revised list at least (Tupac, no). Entroducing is a fantastic and wonderful goth album.

Biggest flaw in the list is that Ned doesn't go off into infinity re: "Mogwai Fear Satan."

That would take a while.

But then, he wouldn't need to rate the other 135. Since that list also has diamonds from DM and Pulp in there, that would be a travesty.

You're looking for more abject formalism in my approach than I ever intended, for a start.

Wrongo.

Explain yourself.

...used to have but sold (don't much care for any more): 6, 16, 24
...used to have but lost (wouldn't might having again): 8
...still have but rarely listen to: 53, 85
...still have and like: 86

...have never owned and probably never will: pretty much the rest

Conclusion: Not much overlap with my tastes.

It's called 'opinion,' see... (While I see what you're trying to get at, might I also note that I could argue that 'if you knew the cultural and musical history behind British created rock and roll then you would see that blah blah blah,' but I would also sound pretty goddamn ridiculous.)

haha, Tweezerland

I just love that mistake! I refuse to correct it.

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See, but I don't think it is particularly ridiculous. I think if someone wanted to really understand music, they would make some sort of attempt at learning the backgrounds of other groups and cultures. What made you decide to listen to the music that you have listed here? A certain number of socioeconomic, cultural and geographic and era-based influences. Different factors went into it - largely who you've discussed music with and the people you learned about music from. I'd advocate learning about other musical forms from the ground up - evaluating them based on the aesthetic by which they are judged by those who are a part of the culture, and THEN bringing your own bias into it, rather than deciding based on a preconcieved set of notions about "good" music. I certainly don't consider myself to be a picture of this judgement myself - I basically listen to Jazz and hip hop, and am learning about other music now (I just heard Can for the first time the other day) - but on the other hand, I'm not the one creating the big-ass list.

Of course, I suppose these kinds of lists are going to be suggestive of what you've been exploring musically...but if you HAVE heard these albums, my question is - why do you think it is that you feel Oasis is the better band?

Oh, and Nicolars - look up, something just flew over your head.

I think it's closer than that.

If you're suggesting I am this person, you are wrong-o.
I post as djdee2005 on sound opinions.
I'm not trying to get in a fight hear.
Just bouncing ideas around.
People need to relax.

"What caused you to think that, Jess? And do you think there's an inherent value to a particular music simply because it was made by black people?"

I hope this isn't directed at me in some way...because this is far from what I'm suggesting.

What a clever unintentional pun.

Sure do!

What a clever unintentional pun.

Good god. I just read that, didn't I.

"Good god. I just read that, didn't I."

Tongue firmly planted in cheek sir.

As for Beatles there is absolutely NOTHING about Boyzone to make them
deserve a comparision to The Fab Four.

Never EVER has ONE single Beatles member EVER written something that is
even remotely close to a MOR ballad. Paul McCartney is into clever chord
changes, and has always been able to stay away from the cliches always used
by the likes of Boyzone.

No. Three. But we're not your enemies. We LIKE you.

I'll probably get to that some time tonight, Felcher, fret not.

What you saw was a catalog of the CDs I bought in (and brought to) college, which I had in an Excel spreadsheet; my roommate from last year converted it to a graphical web DB testing out his MySQL and PHP skills. So yeah, it was mostly white indie and electronic bands from the laet-80s/90s. Off the top of my head though...Tricky, Jeru, Busta, N.W.A., Public Enemy, and Eddie Floyd were in there. James Brown and Bob Marley I had on tapes, for my walkman-- I used to bring it to the studio to drum along to. Feel better now?

and bloody.

I love about half of the albums on that list, like a lot more, and hate the Smashing Pumpkins.

Can do. Anyway, I MUST HAVE BLOOD!

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Pretty much. I get exactly what Felcher is talking about vis-a-vis the Pumpkins but it's also perfectly obvious that it doesn't and won't connect for everyone. Friend Stripey, for instance, has always said that she enjoys the music but simply can't get past Corgan's vocals.

Note there is a huge difference between me hating them and them being bad (see "best" v "favourite" thread and put it in reverse).

Move along please...

(x-post)

Wish granted, as I haven't heard anything new in ages. Wonder if Martin Rossiter is now struggling in his local KFC?

-- J0hn Darn1elle (edito...), October 30th, 2003 4:45 PM. (J0hn Darn1elle) (later)

SECONDED

...poor dopes.

I should start a Gene picture thread, just for Ned.

Feel free. You'll be receiving your Carrot-Top photos via mail shortly.

I was a little disappointed at the abscence of the early Melvins

Er, most of those WERE in the eighties...

One of my top-five of 1991, to be sure.

Very much happy to see the Walkabouts' covers LP in there, it's a solid favourite of mine, especially, as Ned mentioned, the Charlie Rich cover, which is sublimeness. Must go listen again, right now, while reading more of the reviews on the list.

Why th' fuck not? Who made up these rules?

And again, you're losing me. Are you accusing them of being too pretentious or too sincere? You prefer Dinosaur Jr's irony, but want your indie rock to be pure?

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGPORTRAITS/music/portrait200/drp000/p001/p00174qmn30.jpg

But we're talking about the same riffs, right? Big cock-rock riffs? Do you like them or don't you? How is it more of a sin to mix shoegaze with metal than anything else? And what's more...

What's blissy in songs about driving and drinking and William Gibson cyberpunk? If anything, Swervedriver took blissy out of the equation. Your Ride comparison made some sense to me at first, but much less now that you've qualified it. The sound has some of the same texture, but none of the same mood.

And now you've got me thinking that you're judging them by their haircuts, or similarly irrelevant criteria, like their "indieness" or lack thereof.

That, I understand. That's what Chris should have said. :)

I thought about it, but it would probably be about 500 records instead.

i have 21 of 136.

Considering some of his reviews at Allmusic and comments around here, I would have assumed some bands like the Jesus Lizard and Girls Against Boys would have been in the list.

Er, no? Was I implying that?

At least he engenders strong opinions.

This is true.

TOO MUCH FUCKING SYNTHPOP

thank you

There can never be enough. Mm, getting sleepy, that's all for tonight on this thread from me.

Well we're talking four and a half years ago now.

*MASSIVELY* overrated. A couple of great songs, otherwise Pre-Millenial Tension rules in comparison.

Sorry Ned, but with all due respect you're utterly wrong. Maxinquaye was the best record of the decade. PMT, OTOH, is mostly a pile of poo.

Look, I'm not getting into another argument of the objective validity of personal opinion! You think one way, I think another, life goes on. :-)

1. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
2. Jesus Lizard - Goat
3. Radiohead - OK Computer
4. DJ Shadow - Entroducing...
5. Portishead - Dummy
6. Slint - Spiderland
7. Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
8. Bjork - Post
9. Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
10. Breeders - Pod
11. Yo La Tengo - Painful
12. Lemonheads - It's a Shame About Ray
13. Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville
14. Warlock Pinchers - Circusized Peanuts
15. Ride - Nowhere
16. Built to Spill - Perfect From Now On
17. Aphex Twin - I Care Because You Do
18. Primal Scream - Screamedelica
19. Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas
20. Bjork - Homogenic
21. Dinosaur Jr. - Green Mind
22. Nirvana - Nevermind
23. Mercury Rev - Yerself is Steam
24. Happy Mondays - Pills 'N' Thrills and Bellyaches
25. Sonic Youth - Goo
26. Tricky - Maxinquaye
27. Spiritualized - Pure Phase
28. Morrissey - Vauxhall and I
29. Jesus Lizard - Liar
30. Luna - Bewitched
31. Swell - 41
32. Stereolab - Mars Audiac Quintet
33. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works II
34. Screeching Weasel - My Brain Hurts
35. His Name is Alive - Stars on E.S.P.
36. Oval - 94diskont
37. Bedhead - Whatfunlifewas
38. Busta Rhymes - When Disaster Strikes
39. Built to Spill - There's Nothing Wrong With Love
40. Seefeel - Quique
41. Sinead O'Connor - I Do Not Want What I Havent Got
42. Burger/Ink - Las Vegas
43. Sunny Day Real Estate - LP2
44. Ride - Going Blank Again
45. Seam - The Problem With Me
46. Sonora Pine - II
47. PJ Harvey - Rid of Me
48. Codeine - Frigid Stars
49. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
50. Swirlies - They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days...
51. Replacements - All Shook Down
52. Weezer - Blue
53. Karate - Karate
54. Pixies - Bossanova
55. Talk Talk - Laughing Stock
56. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
57. Chapterhouse - Whirlpool
58. Helmet - Meantime
59. Orbital - Orbital 2
60. Luna - Penthouse
61. Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee
62. U2 - Achtung Baby
63. Dinosaur Jr. - Where You Been?
64. Rage Against the Machine - The Battle of Los Angeles
65. Yo La Tengo - Electr-o-pura
66. Massive Attack - Mezzanine
67. Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I
68. Magnetic Fields - Holiday
69. Superchunk - On the Mouth
70. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming
71. Swirlies - Blondertongueaudiobaton
72. Low - The Curtain Hits the Cast
73. Throwing Muses - The Real Ramona
74. Radiohead - The Bends
75. Melvins - Houdini
76. Sebadoh - III
77. Curve - Doppelganger
78. Peter Gabriel - Us
79. Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory?
80. Drive Like Jehu - Yank Crime
81. Codeine - The White Birch
82. Milf - Ha Ha Bus!
83. F.Y.P. - Finish Your Popcorn
84. Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk
85. Quicksand - Slip
86. Mogwai - Come on Die Young
87. Guided By Voices - Alien Lanes
88. Strung Out - Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues
89. Faint - Blank Wave Arcade
90. Suzanne Vega - 99.9F
91. Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy
92. Liz Phair - Whip Smart
93. The The - Dusk
94. Bettie Seveert - Palomine
95. 18th Dye - Tribute to a Bus
96. Unrest - Imperial F.F.R.R.
97. Galaxie 500 - This is Our Music
98. Moby - Ambient
99. Prince - (Love Symbol Album)
100. Beat Happening - You Turn Me On

Huh, I wish. Then I could replace stolen copies.

Good things: Seam getting some 'spect. Goat at #2. Seefeel (also seen on Ned's list). Drive lIke Jehu. The The's Dusk -- their best album, though no one will admit it.

Bad things: The lackluster Replacements album. They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days ranked higher than Blondertongueaudiobaton. Bossanova, but no Trompe le Monde. Moby's Ambient.

i think these lists of opinion by lots of people are extraordinarily useful in todays music world -- i can only admire Ned's useful hyper-qualified effort here -- i wish that more of people's big lists were so good at qualification, on rationale.

and Ned seems to like participating here, which makes the list potentially 'interactive' (cool) (well that's up to him, all those hyper-qualifications enough volunteering already).

Thank You Ned.

That's not even that great an album. Is Dead is much better. There's nothing whiter than listing 3 Feet High on your hip-hop best-of. Okay, except for listing PM Dawn.

Yer welcome. The list -- which was composed a year before the start of ILX, to give it some context -- was very much a combination of whim and opportunity, but it seems to have lasted as an interesting enough personal document. But yeah, actually talking about every record -- which I did while listening to each specific one as I went -- is I think its best feature in the end.

Oh man.

Weird..."Show Business" is a weak track!? Frankly, I think hip hop hit a peak in the early 90s of flat-out PERFECTION that it has been unable to attain since...I'm not sure how you can dismiss albums like "Hard to Earn," "Illmatic," "Ready to Die," or "The Sun Rises..." as having filler tracks. Sounds sorta crazy to me...that was the peak of the Q-Tip-Large Pro-DJ Premier-Pete Rock production explosion, where the creativity and progressive production of the hip hop albums were achievements unsurpassed today...frankly, I find myself more bored listening to a lot of rock albums from the early 90s - Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc. etc. etc. than I do listening to hip hop. And indie rock, as a general rule, bores me SENSELESS. I do love My Bloody Valentine though.

?

This is quite possibly the most insane thing I've ever read.

I didn't call him a name, I called him wrong-thinking. But if you think that Mascis is kidding, or trying to somehow give us the opposite of what we expect, please elaborate. I think he's a truly sad guy who likes his 70's rock served warm.

Not an either/or question, I think! To me Mascis at his best is commenting on the nature of what Mark S once called "the dangerous and pernicious notion of INFLUENCE" or something along those lines - my Latin professor liked to compare it to INCEST, with the "son" or "daughter" (the "influenced") cannibalizing/"incesting" the "parent" i.e. the source material. What Mascis does/did with his influences is to my ears a really interesting act of reading-out-loud, and often a very sloppy one, which is where some of the irony lies. Not ha-ha irony: I think irony's a much more complex (and, lately, wrongly-derided) trope than just "I said one thing, but I meant another!" For this I blame Alanis Morissette.

(obligatory theory-check: no I don't think Mascis sat down and said "this is what I intend to do, and the world shall marvel at my wit!" rather I think that reading his stuff in ways that take off from the above-outlined possibility are the most interesting readings to give)

In the Sonic Youth sampler album from the mid-1990s (Screaming Fields of Sonic Love?), there's a flyer for a Sonic Youth/BHs/fIREHOSE show that says it's part of the "Sonic Butt Fire Tour".

But her definition of "ironic" was completely different to this!

Sloppier than Neil Young?

This is interesting, but I've never heard irony defined any way other than the dictionary way and the wrong way (facetiousness, coincidence). What exactly makes this cannibalism ironic?

Mind, I am not a giant Mascis fan or anything - I'm not one of those people whose lives were changed by You're Living All Over Me - but I do think he and his body of work are interesting, and not easily dismissable.

It occurs to me I still haven't answered Chris's original question. Hm.

Technically. But did they really?

1 Diamanda Galas – Vena Cava

2 Sonny Sharrock – Ask the Ages

3 Gyorgy Ligeti/Par Norgard – Violin Concertos etc (perf Christina Astrand/Danish NRSO) [mostly for the Ligeti]

4 Fred Frith Guitar Quartet – Ayaya Moses

5 Morton Feldman – Neither (perf Sarah Leonard/Radio Sinfonie Orchester Frankfurt)

6 La Monte Young & the Theatre of Eternal Music Brass Band – The Second Dream of the High-Tension Stepdown Transformer from the Four Dreams of China

7 Evan Parker/Sainkho Namtchylak – Mars Song

8 CCMC – Decisive Moments

9 George Crumb – Makrokosmos Vols I & II (perf Jo Boatright)

10 John Cage – The Seasons (perf Margaret Leng Tan/American Composers Orchestra)

11 Pole – CD1

12 Pan Sonic – A

13 Derek Bailey/Pat Metheny/Gregg Bendian/Paul Wertico – The Sign of 4

14 Ryoji Ikeda - +/-

15 Massive Attack - Mezzanine [largely because of what it soundtracked]

16 Jim O’ Rourke - Scend

17 Pulp – Different Class

18 Lalgudi Jayraman - Violin

19 Ground Zero – Revolutionary Pekinese Opera

20 Goodie Mob – Still Standing

21 Eugene Chadbourne/Paul Lovens – Patrizio: A Suite to the Waters of the World

22 Iancu Dumitrescu – ED MN 1005

23 Kadri Gopalnath - Saxophone

24 Boards of Canada – Music Has the Right to Children

25 Terry Riley – Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band “All Night Flight”

26 Hariprasad Chaurasiya – Ragas Durgawati and Mishra Shivaranjani

27 Eliot Fisk – Sequenza! [pretty much only for the Berio sequenza, which is earth-shattering enough to justify including this. Otherwise I have no need to hear Fisk play traditional classical music. He's kind of brittle and dry, if technically flawless.]

28 Iva Bittova

29 Pat Metheny – Zero Tolerance for Silence

30 Ikue Mori – Garden

31 Diamanda Galas – Malediction and Prayer

32 LL Cool J – Mama Said Knock You Out

33 Missy Elliot – Supa Dupa Fly

34 I. S. O.

35 Aube - Cardiac Strain

36 Dr Chitti Babu - Veena

37 Fushitsusha – Allegorical Misunderstanding

38 Voivod – Angel Rat

39 Fushitsusha – Withdrawe, This Sable Disclosure Ere Devot’d

40 Henry Kaiser/Jim O’Rourke – Tomorrow Knows Where You Live

41 Fred Frith – Quartets

42 Dr Balamuralikrishnan – Carnatic Vocal

43 DJ Shadow - Endtroducing

44 Maryanne Amacher – Sound Characters

45 Tony Conrad w/ Faust – Outside the Dream Syndicate

46 Phill Niblock – Music by Phill Niblock

47 Ryoji Ikeda - 0 [degrees] C

48 My Bloody Valentine – Loveless

49 Main – Motion Pool

50 Arto Lindsay Trio – Aggregates 1-26

51 Magic Hour – No Excess Is Absurd

52 Pixies – Trompe le Monde

53 Portishead - Dummy

54 De La Soul – 3 Feet High and Rising

55 Jane’s Addiction – Ritual de lo Habitual

56 Iannis Xenakis – Electronic Music

57 Nirvana – In Utero

58 Almighty Trigger Happy - Disturbo

59 Beautifuzz

60 Smashing Pumpkins – Siamese Dream

61 Sonic Youth – Dirty

62 Radiohead – OK Computer

63 Smashing Pumpkins – Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

64 Endwar – ENON: One Thirsty Afternoon

65 Sonic Youth – Goo

66 The Dismemberment Plan – Emergency and I

67 Shudder to Think – Funeral at the Movies

68 V/A – The Best of Acid Jazz, Vol 2

69 REM – Monster

70 Sonic Youth – Washing Machine [mostly for "The Diamond Sea"]

71 Soundgarden – Badmotorfinger

72 Nirvana – Nevermind

73 Ol’ Dirty Bastard – Return to the 36 Chambers

74 V/A - Downtown Does the Beatles [mostly for the Lydia Lunch, King Missile, Eugene Chadbourne, and Buddha Pest. All the brass band type stuff sucks.]

75 Okara – Months Like Years

76 Smashing Pumpkins - Pisces Iscariot

77 Shotmaker – Mouse Ear Forget Me Not

78 Nirvana – Unplugged In New York

79 Tactile – Inscape

80 Jack Vorvis/Michael Snow – Black and White: Incredible Drums and Piano Duets

81 Sonic Youth – Goodbye 20th Century

82 Sonic Youth/Jim O’Rourke – SYR 3

83 The Magnetic Fields – 69 Love Songs

84 Gorguts – Obscura

85 Superchunk – No Pocky for Kitty

86 Public Enemy – Fear of a Black Planet [at this point, we get into albums I don't actually listen to much now]

87 Public Enemy – Apocalypse ‘91

88 Kubelka - We're Gonna Do It Like This Now

89 The Magnetic Fields – Get Lost

90 Tori Amos – Under the Pink

91 Fugazi – Steady Diet of Nothing

92 Fugazi – Red Medicine

93 V/A - Firestarter (Century Black compilation)

Dr N Ramani - Fascinating Flute between Magic Hour and Pixies

Henry Threadgill - Makin' a Move and
Marc Ribot - Shoe String Symphonettes between Goo and Dismemberment Plan

Goodie Mob - World Party between Nevermind and ODB

Television's s/t between Unplugged in New York and Tactile [based entirely on pleasant memories from like 5 years ago when I had it]

The Ex - Mudbird Shivers between SYR3 and 69 Love Songs

Susie Ibarra/Assif Tsahar - Home Cookin' between Get Lost and Tori Amos

Anyway, yeah I know I should start another thread or something.

Ned, any chance we'll ever get a 136 Albums of the 80s?

(btw - CDs should be finished burning today)

Anything you'd add or remove? or rank higher/lower than it appears?

Very curious yet -

I was deep down kinda hoping you'd do a Top 136 of the 00's.

Red House Painters, Boo Radleys, The Church, Bark Psychosis!! A Tribe Called Quest and ODB!! Thats so great!! And The motherfucking VELDT!! I loved Superchunk and Polvo and Archers and all but it was great to have a band like that come outta Chapel Hill too. Man what a bad ass list.

Though I always look more and more closely every time I peep the list cause I know I'm only overlooking the SEAM albums.

Alternately, it baffles me that you said (a few years ago, upthread) that a Top xxx Albums of the '80s would likely have about 500 records on it, and thus be too much work to present.

Now, as far as my own collection goes, I have a ton of '90s stuff, but my '80s collection is sorely lacking (hey, i was born in '85!) except for the basics -

. . . Bowie, Eno, Cure, Joy Division, Bunnymen, Bauhaus, Love and Rockets, Psych Furs, Tom Waits, Talking Heads, XTC, Birthday Party/Nick Cave, Siouxsie, Cocteau Twins, Burma, Talk Talk, Chameleons, New Order, Depeche Mode, Smiths, REM, Fall, Dinosaur Jr, Mary Chain, MBV, Replacements, Spacemen 3, Flaming Lips, Sonic Youth, Pixies, Galaxie 500 . . .

- and Ned, I know there's a bunch in there that you really love (except Talking Heads, of course; maybe a couple others). Anyway, I feel like I've done my basic homework on the '80s and have a pretty good collection of the well-known 'classics' that I mentioned above - but I often find myself wishing I had a jumping-off point (such as a Ned's 136) for the '80s, because I don't know where to dig deeper at this point.

I discovered a bunch of albums that I now really love through your '90s list - but what am I missing in the '80s??

:-(

Oh god yes. It's great.

I don't know where to dig deeper at this point

Find a copy of the 1989 or 1991 Trouser Press book. Both of those were my initial guides. That said, you need to investigate way more dance, hip-hop and metal, for a start.

You need some EPMD and some SOD. And some NWA and some DRI.

Really though, metal was where it was at in the 80's: Metallica, Slayer, Nuclear Assault, Anthrax, SOD, Sacred Reich, Suicidal Tendencies, Excel, Crumbsuckers, DRI, Cryptic Slaughter, Final Conflict, Napalm Death, Carcass.. I could really go on forever.

already love the Wedding Present, though

Need a second opinion...? Tom Ewing's Top 100 LPs of the 90s

Tried to follow this link at the bottom of Ned's 136 Albums page (link) and it's dead. Is the "Top 100 LPs" thing a typo? I've internalized Tom's top 100 singles list (link) but I didn't know Tom also made a Top 100 LPs list... or did he?

He did but it was just a straightforward list and I don't think it's available anywhere now.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010303234320/http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/bestlps.html

Your welcome,
markers

(P.S. http://web.archive.org rules.)

Ahh there we go, I just found it myself the same way. Still a lot of stuff I like on this list!

Ned, would you still rep. for those Goo Goo Dolls albums? And, just out of curiosity, how far into the depths of hell did you follow that band... er, what was the most recent album of theirs that you heard? Dizzy Up the Girl? Anything afterward...?

Dizzy Up was the last, which I only heard the once. I'll stick with that earlier stretch, though as with a lot of the albums on the list I really haven't listened to any of them in years. There are either newer albums or older ones I hadn't discovered yet to listen to.

ned you put a goo goo dolls album on yr list. you goofus.

Two, not one, FWIW.

i currently own 52 of these albums. that's kind of surprising!

Haha it is! Offhand I'm guessing one of them is Trumans Water.

actually, no. (i should note that some of them are all-time for me, and some haven't been played since this thread was started, probably. but i know they're there, lurking, somewhere, in the house.)

i still love tom's list. i'd love to hear him take on some of these albums again with ten years hindsight. (and ten years of "popular" et al behind him.)

totally didn't predict the mercury rev worship

There are bands I regret never seeing who I would have had no practical chance to ever see, and the David Baker-era Rev is one of them. I don't think the band ever even played California until 1998.

huh, I figured there'd be a larger overlap than 31 albums (and that's actually counting a couple I used to own but were stolen that I haven't replaced yet)

I suspect we bleed over more when it comes to eighties albums. (And the past decade, probably!)

haha true

I dare not count the albums I own from this list... I'm guessing somewhere in the 60-80 range but I may be underestimating a bit.

OWN: 60%, or 81 out of 136 -- and that's including 25 of the top 26, ffs.

USED TO OWN: 8%, or 11 out of 136 -- mostly a lot of Britpop-related (Suede, Oasis, Placebo, Super Furries) and industrial (Manson, Ministry) albums, plus a few others that never clicked (Sundays, Prodigy, Goo Goo Dolls, Veldt).

DO NOT OWN: 32%, or 44 out of 136 -- admittedly there's a few albums in this list that I've meant to buy but haven't gotten around to yet, mostly by artists I already like (Ween, Disco Inferno, His Name Is Alive, Pale Saints, Pelt), plus about 38-39 albums I just haven't gotten around to yet.

(I can't believe I just spent ~15 min. figuring that out.)

Can anyone beat 81/136, besides Ned of course?

Does Ned even own 81 of these anymore?

Not sure, really.

So upon deeper inspection, Tom's list is really great also (even though I understand he's disowned it) and has served as a reminder to pick up several albums I've not gotten around to yet -- Ghost's debut, Beta Band's debut, +/-, Chill Out, Ende Neu, Rock 'n' Roll Station. A look at my stats:

OWN: 41 -- lots of great stuff here. I'm particularly surprised that Tom's included Fushitsusha/Keiji Haino, Dead C, Faust, etc. but maybe I've put his tastes into a box a bit much... a welcome surprise, in any case.

USED TO OWN: 7 -- Mag Fields, Palace, Sundays, Frank Black solo.

DO NOT OWN: 52 -- including those above that I've meant to check out. Admittedly there's a lot more on Tom's list than Ned's that I haven't familiarized myself with... something to change piece-by-piece in the coming years.

re: Mercury Rev -- their 90s output is pretty astonishing. the 00s have dulled that feeling quite a bit, but if, say, deserters songs was their last album, it'd be an unimpeachable run of classic reocrds imo.

Agreed.

(i even like quite a bit of all is dream, so it's really just the last two that have been bummers)

There is some funny stuff upthread: Ned Raggett vs. deej FITE, cee-oh-tee-tee vs. strongo hulkington FITE, etc.

ott, i was thinking this the other day: do you own any music made by black people?

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:05 PM (6 years ago)

What caused you to think that, Jess? And do you think there's an inherent value to a particular music simply because it was made by black people?

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:07 PM (6 years ago)

one of your former pitchfork staffers linked me to a website where you detailed your record collection. quite detailed. and i just didn't remember seeing any. odd, is all.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:10 PM (6 years ago)

Well that would be my bitter, paranoiac underling Brent DiCresenczo, or however you spell his last name. He spends an inordinate amount of time worrying that I'm smarter than him.

What you saw was a catalog of the CDs I bought in (and brought to) college, which I had in an Excel spreadsheet; my roommate from last year converted it to a graphical web DB testing out his MySQL and PHP skills. So yeah, it was mostly white indie and electronic bands from the laet-80s/90s. Off the top of my head though...Tricky, Jeru, Busta, N.W.A., Public Enemy, and Eddie Floyd were in there. James Brown and Bob Marley I had on tapes, for my walkman-- I used to bring it to the studio to drum along to. Feel better now?

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:20 PM (6 years ago)

markers if you can dig this one up on Web Archive or anything, I will be amazed. Challenge is ON.

It seems that the Pumpkins love is the thing for which Ned gets the most general ire. This makes me sad.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:38 PM (6 years ago)

Funny, cause I even like the Pumpkins.

― ddrake, Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:39 PM (6 years ago)

Wonder if deej would still rep for the Pumpkins seven years later??

Wow I was a real dick in this thread. I mean, even more than usual.

I found this along with the original Pitchfork 90s list a long time ago. From the individual top 90s lists of Pitchfork staff.

CHRIS OTT
1. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
2. Jesus Lizard - Goat
3. Radiohead - OK Computer
4. Portishead - Dummy
5. Slint - Spiderland
6. Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
7. Bjork - Post
8. DJ Shadow - Entroducing...
9. Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
10. Breeders - Pod
11. Yo La Tengo - Painful
12. Lemonheads - It's a Shame About Ray
13. Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville
14. Warlock Pinchers - Circusized Peanuts
15. Ride - Nowhere
16. Built to Spill - Perfect From Now On
17. Aphex Twin - I Care Because You Do
18. Primal Scream - Screamedelica
19. Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas
20. Bjork - Homogenic
21. Dinosaur Jr. - Green Mind
22. Nirvana - Nevermind
23. Mercury Rev - Yerself is Steam
24. Happy Mondays - Pills 'N' Thrills and Bellyaches
25. Sonic Youth - Goo
26. Tricky - Maxinquaye
27. Spiritualized - Pure Phase
28. Morrissey - Vauxhall and I
29. Jesus Lizard - Liar
30. Luna - Bewitched
31. Swell - 41
32. Stereolab - Mars Audiac Quintet
33. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works II
34. Screeching Weasel - My Brain Hurts
35. His Name is Alive - Stars on E.S.P.
36. Oval - 94diskont
37. Bedhead - Whatfunlifewas
38. Busta Rhymes - When Disaster Strikes
39. Built to Spill - There's Nothing Wrong With Love
40. Depeche Mode - Violator
41. Sinead O'Connor - I Do Not Want What I Havent Got
42. Burger/Ink - Las Vegas
43. Sunny Day Real Estate - LP2
44. Ride - Going Blank Again
45. Seam - The Problem With Me
46. Sonora Pine - II
47. PJ Harvey - Rid of Me
48. Codeine - Frigid Stars
49. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
50. Swirlies - They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days...
51. Replacements - All Shook Down
52. Weezer - Blue
53. Karate - Karate
54. Pixies - Bossanova
55. Talk Talk - Laughing Stock
56. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
57. Magnetic Fields - Holiday
58. Seefeel - Quique
59. Orbital - Orbital 2
60. Luna - Penthouse
61. Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee
62. Radiohead - The Bends
63. Helmet - Meantime
64. Rage Against the Machine - The Battle of Los Angeles
65. Yo La Tengo - Electr-o-pura
66. Massive Attack - Mezzanine
67. Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I
68. Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory?
69. Superchunk - On the Mouth
70. Strung Out - Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues
71. Swirlies - Blondertongueaudiobaton
72. Low - The Curtain Hits the Cast
73. Throwing Muses - The Real Ramona
74. Chapterhouse - Whirlpool
75. Melvins - Houdini
76. Sebadoh - III
77. Curve - Doppelganger
78. Peter Gabriel - Us
79. U2 - Achtung Baby
80. Drive Like Jehu - Yank Crime
81. Dinosaur Jr. - Where You Been?
82. Milf - Ha Ha Bus!
83. F.Y.P. - Finish Your Popcorn
84. Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk
85. Quicksand - Slip
86. Mogwai - Come on Die Young
87. Guided By Voices - Alien Lanes
88. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming
89. Faint - Blank Wave Arcade
90. Suzanne Vega - 99.9F
91. Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy
92. Liz Phair - Whip Smart
93. The The - Dusk
94. Bettie Seveert - Palomine
95. 18th Dye - Tribute to a Bus
96. Unrest - Imperial F.F.R.R.
97. Galaxie 500 - This is Our Music
98. Moby - Ambient
99. Prince - (Love Symbol Album)
100.Beat Happening - You Turn Me On

A lot of my favorites on there.

Like Milf, The Swirlies, Bedhead, Swell, GBV, 18th Dye...

98. Moby - Ambient

!!!

Ambient is a really weird album. very dark and muted and not very ambient at all.

the first track uses the same strings he later used in "Move"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S43AEG4DyvY

56. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain

HEEEEEYYYYY WAIT A SECOND...

I can't get past "to those gold sounds" because I always pressed >> after that.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, September 10, 2010 6:03 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

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As far as I'm concerned this band ends at "Stop Breathing".

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, September 10, 2010 6:48 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

should we assume there are only 55 albums or less that Ott actually likes?

I mean, that would explain 78. Peter Gabriel - Us

88. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming

I predict this'll make you double take.

man dude hated pitchfork even then

putting indie chestnuts he actually hated alongside obvious yuppie horseshit, that's some scathing satire

re you giving YOURSELF a fair chance to listen to hip hop?

90s lists made in actual proximity to the 90s are always so much more interesting than lists people make today.

Also, Ned - God Machine! Haven't heard them in years years years.

I've got other writers lists from the same source, if anyone is interested.

Where can you find the individual writers' lists from the pitchfork 90s thing? And are there individual lists for PFM's singles countdown?

Also, Ned - God Machine! Haven't heard them in years years years.

They'll be coming up in a Not Just the Ticket entry soonish...

Looking forward to it.

I've got other writers lists from the same source, if anyone is interested.

Yes please. Not so much out of morbid curiosity, but because I'd like to see what Mark R. and others were spinning at the time.

Link?

88. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming

I predict this'll make you double take.

― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan)

It's even higher in the original list that 0tt posted upthread -- #70!!

Going thru cee-oh-tee-tee's list a few posts up:

OWN: 56 / 100

USED TO OWN, SOLD: 15 / 100 (Liz Phair, Built to Spill, Tricky [agree w/ Ned, Maxinquaye is really overrated], SDRE, Weezer [lol 8th grade], RATM [lol 9th grade], D-Plan, Oasis, Swirlies [zzzzz], Sebadoh, B&S [lol indie], Quicksand, Dave Matthews [lol 7th grade]).

DON'T OWN: 29 / 100 - mostly snoozy indie rock I guess??

NEED TO PICK UP: Oval - 94diskont, Sinead O'Connor - I Do Not Want..., Burger/Ink - Vegas. I haven't yet stumbled across Oval or Burger/Ink used but I've really got no excuse for not having heard that Sinead O'Connor by now.

Would be v. curious to know how many of his top 100 Chr1s 0tt still owns in 2010...

What a thread. Weird there are differences, I must have like spot-edited the one I submitted? Bizarre. The one I pasted must be the one I had on my computer - the one you found is what counted. I still own all of these insofar as they're on my hard drive(s), but of course feel some of the choices are absurd, dishonest, or different today. Perfect example is The Flaming Lips in the Top 10. I hate the Flaming Lips to death and always have but there was such inordinate praise for the band at the time that I felt pressure as a supposed "critic" to conform to that consensus. That is a glaringly ugly thing for me. The other changes would be ones of over-estimation or weighting to push the record higher in aggregate (Spiderland, ugh, Pod is too high). Green Mind is too low, Entroducing at 4 or 8 is ridiculous in either case, Warlock Pinchers was complete challops but you can all have Die Antwoord instead, you deserve them.

Glad I repped for All Shook Down and Karate, a few others I still think are excellent "full lengths" often ignored. The pop-punk smattering was semi-challops because it was so unfashionable at the time and everyone was ignoring there were some good, fun bands in that mix. Happy to have My Brain Hurts in the Top 40, probably still would today. Achtung Baby is insanely too-low (one worse than Us! Hahaha) and there are plenty of other dumb decisions to laugh at. All I can say is I was creditably honest in most of these choices, less concerned about whether or not they made me look "cool" or were being clocked by others. If you pit that list against others from the same time I think that's a net positive. In the same way other staff members stumped for the Wrens or Walt Mink; I just had better taste.

Dearth of hip-hop is like saying "WHERE ARE THE COUNTRY ALBUMS". I mean that's such a hack complaint. DAS RACIST U DIDN'T CHART the biggest white-affirmed genre of the decade...let's let that drift.

Props on All Shook Down and Achtung Baby, those are both great. Have you heard anything in the '04-'10 timespan that you'd add to yr list in retrospect? (Glaringly obvious oversights -- off the top of your head, of course.)

i think these lists of opinion by lots of people are extraordinarily useful in todays music world -- i can only admire Ned's useful hyper-qualified effort here -- i wish that more of people's big lists were so good at qualification, on rationale.

Seconding this from way upthread, by the way. Can anyone else recommend any other great *personal* lists with running commentary and interesting tastes ('60s to '00s) that are done in a similar fashion to Ned's 136 albums and Tom's top 100 singles?

I think the biggest blind-spot, despite the hip-hop contentiousness at the time, is actually Britpop. You can see I was a diehard shoegaze/baggy stoner stranded by the shift toward UK-centric attitudes and preen/suss - because I couldn't appreciate the under/overtones, because it seemed like stale retro arena rock...the implications of that stuff only ripened for me later, as I was older/wiser/did better drugs. When I made that list it was still early days looking back through that period, still interpreting it as a mostly singles-driven moment with few epic Albums. You know, like the Archers of Loaf's Vee Vee. *facepalm*

All I can say is I was creditably honest in most of these choices, less concerned about whether or not they made me look "cool" or were being clocked by others.

So do your recent claims that you've never cared for CR past "Stop Breathin" mean your more concerned about looking "cool" now?

or is it like the soft bulletin, where you were concerned about looking "cool"

That's not what I claimed. It's what I feel now. Read it again.

The retroactive statement I made was in re: turning that album off when "Gold Soundz" came on, which I did almost without fail. It's a boring song that mostly reminded me the album was about to shit the bed and I should pick out something else.

so you couldn't think of 55 albums in the 90s that didn't shit the bed halfway through?

again, is this one of those albums you put on your list out of critical peer pressure despite finding seriously flawed, or one of the ones you're patting on yourself on the back for honestly enjoying at the time?

damn son

You've asked a different question (and clarified, good).

The first three songs on CRCR are individually among my personal faves for the decade. I would rank it probably slightly lower today, but it's still a really good record through "Range Life", even if I think "Gold Soundz" is middling and "Range Life" is something of a standalone novelty cut. I don't think it qualifies for back-patting, especially weeks away from Pitchfork calling "Gold Soundz" the best song of the entire decade. Its profile is a little high for that. Versus, say, Karate.

ah see cuz I was confused after I got this

As far as I'm concerned this band ends at "Stop Breathing".

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, September 10, 2010 6:48 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

when I asked if you'd always hated "Gold Soundz" on its thread.

Link?

http://tclub.obninsk.ru/psb/pitchforkmedia.html

14. Warlock Pinchers - Circusized Peanuts

^^^awesome pick :) :)

Not to play captain save-an-ott, but could everyone else on this thread also post lists that they made 10+ years ago that they feel 100% secure in now?

i pains me that future generations will never know "morrissey rides a cock horse"

Not to play captain save-an-ott, but could everyone else on this thread also post lists that they made 10+ years ago that they feel 100% secure in now?

Personally, what I find fascinating isn't that tastes change, but that he claims to hav put an album in his Top Ten by a band he's always hated solely because of the critical peer pressure he felt (That his take on CRCR softened after this list was pulled up is less surprising). There are plenty of albums I overrated due to critical Kool-Aid and naivete, but I can't think of a time I pushed an album knowing it sucks.

Not clowning 0tt's list at all, I think it's pretty good (given that I own >50% of its albums, I'd be a fool to say otherwise).

xxp

Deadly Kung-Fu is sort of in-between music and a Jerky Boys tape; Peanuts is a real record, I still love "Introducing Ourselves" and "Dancehall" to death. Colorado Krew 7"s have to go for big bucks today.

but I can't think of a time I pushed an album knowing it sucks.

That is a valid argument there, irt the Pavement, but it kind of felt like everyone was piling on Ott.

Link?

http://tclub.obninsk.ru/psb/pitchforkmedia.html

Hey thanks, this is awesome. Totally love the looks of Mark R.'s list, pretty consistent with what I've come to discern as his tastes these days. DLe0ne's list is really great as well. St0suy's list is good, some heavier and out-there stuff on his and Dom's both. And if you're looking for a '90s hip-hop centric list, R0llie P.'s cites some really really great albums.

Admittedly I thought Ryan Schr3ib3r's list was great -- Daniel Johnson as #1 pick?? followed by XTC, Daft Punk and the Cure -- until I realized he ranked his list in reverse... Bonnie Prince Billy, Neutral Milk Hotel 1-2 punch... zzzzzzzzzzzzz

I mean, any list I would have made in 1999 had I put one together, would have held both Terror Twilight and Californication in embarrassingly high esteem.

You're assuming my intentions to frame an indictment, croup. And you're wrong and sad. I listened to Soft Bulletin a lot when it came out and still like "Buzzin'", but the idea that it's one of the 10 best records of the decade, that was an editorial mission, of using the album as a means to call out something very new as canon for the decade, lending Pitchfork herald status. That's an idea I went along with, and that infected my consideration of it against the music I was more personally invested in - like the Warlock Pinchers, for example. I was caught up in something else, something less honest, it embarrasses me to recognize it now, but that's all there is to it.

I've mentioned before how hilarious it was when this ran; Ryan took Rollie's list and folded into the aggregate results the way one shuffles a deck of cards. All pretense to continuity out the window, must pretend "we get rap".

dude you said I hate the Flaming Lips to death and always have forgive me for not thinking you dug "buzzin'"

I find it hard to understand, let alone forgive, your obsession with this entire discourse, but I'll chalk it up to the distance between where we both are in life.

lol

Ryan took Rollie's list and folded into the aggregate results the way one shuffles a deck of cards. All pretense to continuity out the window, must pretend "we get rap".

looooooooool @ this

pretty sure we're both married dudes not seeking careers in rockcrit who still post on ILX and laugh about what Ryan Schrieber wrote in 1998, ott. I just don't also post on Hipinion.

Re: folding hip-hop albums into the 2003 list... does Schreiber listen to any hip-hop nowadays?? I mean, obviously dude is enthused about stuff like Deerhunter, Bear in Heaven, Bon Iver, Real Estate, Surfer Blood, Grizzly Bear, etc. but has he broadened out from his little indie-rock safety net in recent years? (Not that I'm condemning him either way, tastes are tastes; just curious.)

listening to hip hop is so dangerous

R0ll13 P3mb3rt0n's Pfork list is fantastic, at least 50-55 albums there that I really really love. Any opinions on the following stuff, which I've never heard? (Guessing this is 99% hip-hop, I'm just wondering what's worth prioritizing and hearing.)

2. Aceyalone - A Book Of Human Language
3. Black Sheep - A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing
10. Casual - Fear Itself
25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
27. Ras Kass - Soul On Ice
34. Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
43. Freestyle Fellowship - To Whom It May Concern
45. Method Man - Tical
46. Prince Paul - A Prince Among Thieves
47. UNKLE - Psyence Fiction
48. Brand Nubian - One For All
49. Handsome Boy Modelling School - So…How’s Your Girl?
53. Souls of Mischief - 93 ‘Til Infinity
59. Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
60. Freestyle Fellowship - Innercity Griots
63. Del Tha Funkee Homosapien - No Need For Alarm
64. Mobb Deep - The Infamous
68. Buck 65 - Vertex
73. Digable Planets - Blowout Comb
74. KRS-One - Return of the Boom Bap
83. Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
85. Rawkus Presents Soundbombing II
88. Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside
91. OC - Word Life
98. Main Source - Breaking Atoms

at least 80 percent of those are hip-hop canon classics (or second-tier hip-hop canon classics) to a greater or lesser extent.

I like pretty much all the albums on that list I've heard (Gravediggaz, Prince Paul, Brand Nubian, Mobb Deep, Digable Planets) though Handsome Boy is pretty hit-or-miss in hindsight. Been meaning to check out the Souls Of Mischief full-length cuz the title track is so damn good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skjgq4ILB_s

ironically enough I first heard the loop from 93 in a blend and what made of that and TI's "I'm Serious"

these would be my four choices-to-check-out-first, simply based on how much i like them, though really everything except the two prince paul records and unkle are pretty solid start to finish:

25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
48. Brand Nubian - One For All
64. Mobb Deep - The Infamous
98. Main Source - Breaking Atoms

Rollie was 17 years old when he made that list.

2. Aceyalone - A Book Of Human Language totally don't remember a thing about this, altho I owned it at one point.
3. Black Sheep - A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing GREAT, funny, fairly low-key, lots of jokey sex rhymes.
25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda dunno how this measures up to the debut, which is really solid
45. Method Man - Tical this is one of the weirdest, murkiest, darkest sounding hip hop records I have ever heard. it's not really as great as the other first-string solo Wu releases but it's definitely worth hearing. the beats sound like they were all recorded underwater in a garbage can.
46. Prince Paul - A Prince Among Thieves CLASSIC, severely underrated. probably the best hip-hop concept album ever, and one that tells a coherent, clever story with solid performances from all involved plus top-notch head-nodding Prince Paul beats.
48. Brand Nubian - One For All CLASSIC. I think there's only one track on here that is not fantastic. 5 Percenters + Native Tongues, basically.
49. Handsome Boy Modelling School - So…How’s Your Girl? HORRIBLE. god I hate the Automator. a bummer that Prince Paul ever got involved with him
60. Freestyle Fellowship - Innercity Griots kinda the West Coast answer to Native Tongues (aceyalone above was the main "breakout" member). rapping is amazingly nimble and dense but apart from one or two tracks I always felt their beats were kinda blah. Bullies of the Block is a great opening track tho.
63. Del Tha Funkee Homosapien - No Need For Alarm heretical challops = I prefer his first album (which sounds more like an Ice Cube album)
64. Mobb Deep - The Infamous CLASSIC
73. Digable Planets - Blowout Comb CLASSIC, better than the first
98. Main Source - Breaking Atoms CLASSIC

at least 80 percent of those are hip-hop canon classics (or second-tier hip-hop canon classics) to a greater or lesser extent.

this is pretty true, altho it's kinda more heavily weighted on the backpacker end of things.

Also croup don't give me the fucking bro card u mad.

mad about what?

llooll
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llooll

Tical and No Need for Alarm were big crossover records. I mean if I had them, you crossed over.

If you pit that list against others from the same time I think that's a net positive. In the same way other staff members stumped for the Wrens or Walt Mink; I just had better taste.

god damn you really are just a character aren't you

0tt why don't you just start a blog about it?

I did: http://geegeegeegeebabybabybaby.blogspot.com

I have a house but only some people are allowed to see it

in clicking on that Pitchfork individual writers' lists, I see that though I voted in it (and submitted a list), it has been excised entirely. written out of the anals of pfork history, i guess.

the anals of pitchfork

why y'all be google-proofin' all over this thread?

book idea: 500 best bands of independent music by editors and writers of pitchfork, as well as guests from the independent music scene-- other editors/writers, band members, record store/label owners, etc. To range from 70s-00s (maybe 60s?). Each artist's entry would rate each of the band's albums, and include a few paragraph talking about the band's history. Core group of writers would split some of the profit. Others-- band members, etc.-- would lend Top 10 lists for sidebars, histories of major events or turning points for various genres, etc. (and possibly write some entries) as a favor.

publish "concise edition" of pitchfork archive as large book-like magazine (such as "independent musician's resource") run with advertisements, update yearly, beginning with 2003

advantages:
++content already there!
self-publish, sell through website (more $$)
charge near-book ($8.95?) prices

― Ryan Schreiber, Friday, January 17, 2003 9:19 AM (a wicked long time ago)

in clicking on that Pitchfork individual writers' lists, I see that though I voted in it (and submitted a list), it has been excised entirely. written out of the anals of pfork history, i guess.

― beta blog

Just curious, who are you?

Someone with an unbelievable voicemail from me blown six stories high.

god, i wish. changing phone companies meant losing that "restraining order-worthy" voicemail.

ilxor, try google.

25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda dunno how this measures up to the debut, which is really solid

shakey it more than measures up, classic shit iMO

Gotcha. Hi there!

xp

Dude I'm sorry about that for what it's worth. I hope you found the headspace to laugh it off.

no worries. i'm more pissed that i didn't make an mp3 of it for the internet to enjoy.

I'm sure this has been covered on one of the Disco Inferno threads but I'm interested to know how highly Ned rates Technicolour? I know he and most people seem to prefer DI Goes Pop but having In Debt in the list and not Technicolour is really surprising. I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.

I was shocked to see Menswe@r so high. I was obsessed with that band at the time even to the point where I bought the second album. I recently put Nuisance on and was disappointed at how much I wanted to skip.

I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.

^^

Technicolour is what it is. I feel strangely neutral about it.

OMG this thread.

Memories, corners of mind.