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Gawd these guys are good, Am I the only one that thinks so?

[MODERATOR NOTE: I changed this address so that Scott wouldn't get mail any more.]

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

You might be!

Clarke B., Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I think they are just leaving the 'came' part of 'came and went'...

Jason, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

they're not bad, that one single sounded nice whenever i heard it. i only don't like them when presented as some sort of 'alternative' to whatever other hard rock acts are on mtv. actually i'm mainly posting here because i think there should be more questions like this.

ethan, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

whatever, most creative rock band i've seen for a while now. True not for all i suppose, but you know what ......good

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Yet more fuckups and underachievers. I'm feeling Calvinistic today.

dave q, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

That's why so many bland bands are out there ... no wonder

People that can, do. people that can't do, teach. people that can't do that, criticize.

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

guess it's not ok to love music in ILM .. thanks for your 2 cents seeya

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

ILM's thread uglification latency seems to have dropped drastically.

Josh, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Wanna unpack that one for me, Josh?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

If people start threads on a band they have to face the fact that they will encounter people who don't like that band. If you're too sensitive or bullheaded to accept that, fine, stay away. Should that be in the FAQ I wonder?

Tom, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

continue in this thread if u want ... i'm done

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

whatevah buddy .. i didn't ask for this spew

Yet more fuckups and underachievers. I'm feeling Calvinistic today.

-- dave q (scrape100@hotmail.com), August 15, 2001.

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Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

'Fuckups, underachievers' = bands who split up on verge of mass success, NOT posters!!!

dave q, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

"Yet more fuckups and underachievers" doesnt get us very far in talking about ATDI. But nor does "Gawd these guys are good", really.

Tom, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

'WERE good'

dave q, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

What I actually think of ATDI: a load of energy, which is great. But the songs I've heard make too much of a virtue of changing direction midway, which kind of dilutes the rock. And the voice is mixed so high up that you can't help but hear the lyrics. And the lyrics are so not worth hearing. So I'd keep a song or two around on MP3, but I wouldn't buy it.

There Ethan another 'proper' answer so you don't feel so alone.

Tom, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

buy, how quaint

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

bollocks, i think their lyrics are clever, or decent stream of conciousness bs at least. What I like about them is their energy. Fortunately I'm entitled to my opinion

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

the guys onstage freakout is almost better than thom yorke's too.

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

their latest wasn't as good as amnesiac tho

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

i know very little about At the Drive In, and haven't enjoyed what i've heard particularly. Is this the band the www.kickbright.com had an interesting story about? and why doesn't kickbright contribute here anyway?

gareth, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Offtopic i know, but maybe that's a good idea at his point. Wow, just got the new tricky, seems good if way less dark. http://www.music- mag.com/News/2001/june/tricky.htm

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

now trickey sux...at the drive in rock righteously, great for anger management music...

Geoff, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

What I find most interesting about them is the difference between Vaya and the last album. Being forced upon Limp Bizkett's (or was it Korn) producer gave an interesting result. I agree the voice is too loud in some parts. The first song sounds way too polished for radio, nothing sticks out in it.

Sounded like an interesting approach, give a band that already plays hard and give them a producer who makes Limp Bizkett sound hard. I guess being in the middle of nowhere at the time, I missed the promotional push and found these guys on my own sweet little time which helps alot. Though I still think one of the lines should be "Drinking with Jello" and not what it actually is.

zacko, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

They're okay, I think, but for some reason I find it hard to get excited about them. I can listen through the last record and not be bored, but around halfway through I get the urge to put on a North of America record instead.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

It's Korn's producer (and Vanilla Ice's, for that matter) Ross Robinson. I don't believe he's had to polish Fred's turds yet.

I just find it hard to really get a handle on _Relationship..._. It's trying to be eclectic (using piano, changing speeds, throwing the split-finger for strikes), but that damn voice just runs into every song and starts spewing the clumsiest stream-of-consciousness poetic nonsense. That one song where he REPEATS that stanza about "...and the guillotine laughs again..." is quite grating. Iggy Pop's voice is the best thing on that record - he's charismatic and cheeky, while the ATDI guy screams like there's a beartrap on his bozack.

Plus, Grand Royal released the wrong song as the first single. It's the song BEFORE "One-Armed Scissor".

What really annoys me is that I WANT to like these guys, and I give _Relationship..._ second and third and fourth chances to impress me, and I get stonewalled every time.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Nitsuh - more info on North of America, please. I've heard some good stuff about them, and I wanna hear more good stuff about them.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I am not he but I shall ramble on...

North of America look like Pavement, sing like Pavement, write songs like Pavement but have at elast moved away from sounding like Pavement. Well only one of them is a physical carbon copy for SM. Formed from The Motes and The State Champs in Nova Scotia their first ep (Elements of an Incomplete Map) on Matlock records was mindfucking brilliant at points. First full length on Matlock (These Songs Are Cursed (assumed its about the fun time they had recording/producing)) was more punkier but had too many instrumentals.

Havent heard much from them in recent years since they went south, other then Walking In Great Coats on the 4 Dots compilation of Halifax/Moncton/Olympia/Bellingham bands. If you have the time and patience try finding the split 7" from The Motes/State Champs on Ant Records I think.

One of the members interned at CMJ for a bit, they write great tour diaries (if a bit windy) and can kickass at foozball when the need arises. They also have a rumoured addiction to FIFA 99.

Napster/Morpheus inclined souls search songs: Cities and Plans, Killed In The Ratings, Eliel Saarinen, Route of Sorts & What a Melee.

ps. As I tried finding out how to spell "Eliel Saarinen" on cdnow I came across the great lost classic lp "Sounds Of North American Frogs".

zacko, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

ATDI unfortunately got lumped in with the numetal crowd, when they'd in fact been plugging along the DIY American circuit for years. But they sort of brought some of it on themselves when they made a record with Limp Bizkit's producer. It's funny, Cedric & Omar's dub band (Defacto) was here over the weekend, and some guy threw a bottle and hit one in the Afro. Without pausing for a second, they all threw down their instruments and cleared the stage to go beat the shit out of the kid, who fled outside. They caught him and walloped him good. Any musicians here have to give them some props for that kind of solidarity.

Andy, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

ATDI is the band that was written about in Kickbright, and for those who would like to, you can read what Jeffrey had to say here.

My problems with ATDI are 1) they take themselves too seriously, and 2) whenever they do come up with a good song, they ruin it halfway through by switching gears and playing something entirely different. I suppose this is to prove that they are true artists (again, the pretension factor). It kills any momentum the song may have had and is completely uncalled for.

Miranda, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I think the vocals sound like whiny crap. As someone or three mentioned, this cd be fixed by moving them down in the mix but that's sort of like saying Ford trucks would be better if they were Chevys.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

They are a good band. Got more aggression than most of those nu- metallers, and they couple that with tunes. They are also named after lines from a Poison song = respect.

jel, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

David: I'd go a lot lighter on the Pavement references than Zacko did, but then again he seems to know a lot more about the band than I do. I'm a pretty big fan of These Songs are Cursed, whose occasional Pavement resemblences seem less like specific Pavement moves and more like a general influence from the 3Ds/Yatsura/Insert "Band that Sounds Like Pavement" slop-rock genre. Add one part of that to a couple parts of emo (in terms of guitar tones and vocals) and hardcore (in terms of compositional and structural tricks), and "sounds like Pavement" starts to seem irrelevant. To me, anyway. . .

I think they're mostly notable as a band who can strike that sunny/sloppy pop tone and then segue effortlessly to kick-kick-scream- scream-scratch-scratch.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I seem to remember some story about Cedric having a fit when someone showed up at a show with an Afro wig. Couldn't decide whether to be impressed about that or annoyed with his humorlessness on the subject. But for my part, I think their hair eats.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I saw Pavement in 96 and you know what , that was the only time i've enjoyed listening to their music. ATDI can actually play their instruments. As for their time changes, i guess not every band is content with 4/4. Vaya was pretty good, but sooner or later most bands want good production values.

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Geez, Scott, no need to be so touchy about it. It really is okay if other people don't like them as much as you do. Honestly. :)

Questions, though: "ATDI can actually play their instruments." This doesn't exactly seem like justification for handing out a Nobel Prize, now, does it? And I've never thought of them as displaying a much greater instrumental capability than Pavement, much less any particularly amazing degree of skill. So what exactly do you mean?

Also: "As for their time changes, i guess not every band is content with 4/4." That's a straw man; no one's complained about them not playing in 4/4. The complaint was that they wind up sabotaging perfectly good moments with their obsessive need to display their ability to shift gears. And I'm inclined to agree with the above poster that this is a result of trying too hard to establish their artistry; very few of those shifts actually make structural sense within the songs themselves.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

After noticing which of the above posts were Scott's, I've just realized what a waste of time it was for me to post that.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Can I say Drive Like Jehu here, as an example of a band who managed to pull off with ease what ATDI seem to be straining very hard to achieve? DLJ rocked like bastards, but could shift gears in the middle of a track and make it sound like it was the only possible place the song could go. They also wrote better tunes. And they had a rubbish spin off band as well.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Aren't they a bit of a case of nice interviews, nice ideology, but bad songs? From what i've heard anyway, they've been all just screaming and shouting and not much else. I don't like that.

Bill

Bill, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

This place is full of condescending pricks, I wasn't being touchy until now. As a matter of fact they're not my favorite band, and i couldn't care less if others like them. YOU don't have to be so touchy about Pavement , not everybody likes them as much as you obviously do.

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I think your chief concern right now, Scott, should be fixing your damn e-mail address, since I keep getting bounced messages when I post to this or other threads you've wanted copies of messages of. ;-) And Drive Like Jehu = gods. Was lucky enough to see them live too -- what a show.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Richard, can u you recommend a DLJ album for someone that hasn't heard much of their stuff before?

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't aware of the email prob, thanks for letting me know

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Scott, their self titled album is probably the best place to start, preferably the vinyl version as it's very much a two sided LP (the first side even ends in a locked groove).

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

This place is full of condescending pricks, I wasn't being touchy until now. As a matter of fact they're not my favorite band, and i couldn't care less if others like them. YOU don't have to be so touchy about Pavement , not everybody likes them as much as you obviously do.

Dude, is this addressed to me? I don't recall saying ATDI was your favorite band. I don't recall saying anything much about Pavement, either, other than (a) I don't think North of America sound much like them, and (b) I don't see ATDI as being any more skilled as instrumentalists than they are.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Nits - well , guess not everyone is of that opinion, that okay?

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Lighten up, Francis.

Andy, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

exhibit A = Wowee Zowee

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Andy's post was the first thing to make me laugh all day.

Ditto on Drive Like Jehu, who are postively MONSTROUS, especially live. I'm more of a "Yank Crime" (second album) man myself, but unfortunately I think it's outta print. (The perils of major labels...) Jehu were, along with MBV and the Swans, the LOUDEST band I've ever heard.

Jess, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Wait, Scott, you really think of ATDI as strikingly more instrumentally accomplished than Pavement? I'm honestly asking, as it seems like a bit of a odd stance: they're both essentially rock bands, and they both play what they play about as competently and efficiently as they need to. But you seem to be framing this like it's the difference between Liz Frasier's voice and Daniel Johnston's. I get the feeling -- just a guess -- that you're putting the mental emphasis not on Pavement's ability to play their instruments, but the manner in which they chose to do so. Either that or you're talking about Gary Young's drumming in the early days. :)

All this leaving aside the fact that virtuousity seems like a non- issue here: otherwise we'd be talking about Maria Callas or Joe Satriani.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

No nitsuh, in fact i started this thread as an idle discussion about one of the many bands that strike me as an oddity in the decidely (sp) boring soundscape that is modern hard rock. Not what it turned out to be (partially thanks to misinterpreting a post from dave q, which put me slightly on the defensive) And my-ex-roomate waking me up with wowee zowee every morning for too long, probably didn't help either in regards to Pavement

Scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I don't find them terribly interesting.

Lyra, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Wow, an actual opinion, free from juvenile remarks. Who do you find interesting Lyra?

scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

So Scott, you've never delivered an opinion with a 'juvenile' remark in it? Teach us this talent.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

when you're trying to comunnicate with a 5 year old it sometimes helps to talk like one ......... dipshit

scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

jump on the typo ... i'm sure you're itching to

scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Ned - i noticed in an earlier post you didn't care much for ATDI's hair , after looking at your picture on your site, I'm not sure you could criticise anyone's hair with any authority.

scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

http://www.kuci.org/~nraggett/

what do you think, style maven?

scott, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I think Ned's locks are very cool. Indie-boys with afros can suck my ass, though.

My first post sure started this thread off on a good note, didn't it? Anyway, I am personally sick of music like ATDI. I'm tired of vocalists that sound constantly on the verge of pinching a big loaf. I'm tired of absolutely BLAH lyrics, empty sub-Cobainisms that say nothing but are supposed to be insightful. I'm tired of unjustified stop-starts and time-changes. I'm tired of seeing people grunting against their guitars like factory workers. And most of all, I'm tired of indie-boy afros.

Clarke B., Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm. Attacking someones hair. Is that a TOS violation? If only our blasted admins weren't sleeping. Stupid time zones. Anyone with an afro looks pretty silly, but sub-Dischord white boys look especially ridiculous. Besides, Ned likes Sparks and Motorhead and AR Kane and the Young Marble Giants, so he's got my vote already.

This thread has reached the point where I'm wondering if Scott's not just playing us for suckers with his uber defensiveness. (I'd have to admit it would be pretty funny if that was the case.) The only other explaination I can figure is that the guy with the 'fro is related to him.

Jess, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

See Tom's note above. It's true, some people have been pretty dismissive of ATDI on this thread. I don't think this excuses your petulant posts, Scott. Maybe you should take Tom's advice and stay out of threads that you can't help but become upset from reading.

Also, I wish people wouldn't try to egg on an obviously already-petulant poster. Who cares? It's not worth your time.

Josh (ILM Moderator), Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Hypocrisy defined:

"Hmmm. Attacking someones hair. Is that a TOS violation?"

then in the same breath

"Anyone with an afro looks pretty silly, but sub-Dischord white boys look especially ridiculous. " ---- Jes(dubplatestyle@hotmail.com), August 16, 2001. . . . . Thanks moderator, wan't sure if u got my email That acct didn't get validated properly

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Jesus, you people take yourselves WAY too seriously

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

An ounce of credit to jess tho to know when he's being played

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

It's cute how you all rush to each others aid tho ... touching really

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

dp? that you? (and no, i don't mean david pajo neither...)

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I sawn ATDI on "Later". they sux0red. I hate that kind of sound - flail, wail, flail, wail, flail etc. It makes my a$$ drag. Gimme KILLDOZER any day ov thee week.

x0x0

Norman Fay, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

What? Double Pentration here? Kate! I thought I told you to stop that name. Oh wait, that one, never mind wrong list.

zacko, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

So let me guess you all got turned down for your respective positions you applied for at real magazines. Subsequently must have all made your own ever-so-indie lameass websites so you could get your overblown opinions out to the handfult that would listen....Am i getting warm?

sickofwhinyindiefailedcritics, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Okay, it's time: I'll organize the pool. It's US$5 a head, and I'm going to be generous and go for "fifteen." This leaves ages from eight through 18, tops, for the rest of you.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

ooo, testy. struck a nerve did I?

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

The voice of yankee college radio finds its balls and, and there was much rejoicing... Wow you go to a American skool? You must be an authority, even tho the states has the worst education system of any 1st world country.

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Fuck Nitsuh, you have some of the worst taste in bands i've ever seen. My bloody valentine, Tortiose, pavement,the fucking cocteau twins, boo radleys, cake. Jesus absolutely ghastly stuff. Stay the fuck off my thread and go get a job you fucking wanker

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to start a pool too, early thirties, slightly balding, lives with mummy and daddy, never had a real job, career student. Got beat up in school lots....close?

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

actual quote from nitsuh ... "Either works for this particular pseudo- journalist." ...at least you know it ...props

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

*Advances slowly forward with 808 held over heart. Speaks.* "Go hence demon! I banish thee back to the depths of I Really Love Music from whence you came!"

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Let me add to that , played a lot of dungeons and dragons as a child

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

shoulda called yourself sterling clever ... how long did it take you to come up with that one?

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

This was probably covered already in the 70-odd posts to this thread, but WHY does Scott keep replying to himself? People that reply to themselves = dud.

chaki, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I'm not replying to myself dumbass, i'm replying to you....

people that can't think of anything else to say, so they harp on some minute point = dud

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Oh. Well you still end up looking like a schitzo derelict that got his hands on a netzero account.

chaki, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Monstrous dud = sniping at other posters. Fuck that. Anyone else does any sniping after this message, and the posts will be deleted.

Josh, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

actually i do use netzero on my laptop, thanks to the guys at netzero. elitism = dud

scott, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

this conversation can serve no further purpose, goodbye dave

scott, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
sadly, another drugs overdose, in rock music.

Jim Ward, [only 27]
http://www.dotmusic.com/news//May2003/news29560.asp
Jim Ward, guitarist for At The Drive-In, sometime member of The Mars Volta and lead singer with Sparta, has been found dead at his home in California.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:45 (13 years ago) Permalink

Ummm... dotmusic is wrong.

Mars Volta Member Dies

Jeremy Ward, sound/vocal manipulator for At the Drive-In offshoots the Mars Volta and De Facto, died of an apparent drug overdose in his Los Angeles home on Sunday. He was 27 years old. The Mars Volta had just returned to L.A. to rest between legs supporting Red Hot Chili Peppers' North American tour. Jeremy was the brother of Sparta frontman/ex-ATDI guitarist Jim Ward.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:56 (13 years ago) Permalink

just seen another news story [on the newsnow feed], yancey is correct

http://www.punknews.org/article.php?sid=6163&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:04 (13 years ago) Permalink

27 is the death age.

earlnash, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:12 (13 years ago) Permalink

6 years pass...

Reformation talk: http://www.nme.com/news/at-the-drive-in/45300

The only thing more surprising than this prospect, I'd say, is that of scores of self-important retards making out like it's somehow their fucking business if a band chooses to get back together to play their own music. Pretty sure that won't happen though

if you're a pizza-loving New Yorker, it was pretty hilarious. (DJ Mencap), Friday, 12 June 2009 16:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

billstevejim, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 04:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

That's right on the cusp between amazing and unwatchable. I gave this one big points in the metal poll, has eff all chance of placing though I'd guess.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 21:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

At The Drive In aren't as good as my memory made them out to be, but that's not important - what happend to 'Scott'?

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 21:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

imagine if relationship of command had had a decent producer behind it :(

Efraqueen Juárez (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 22:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

'Enfilade' is a great song. I didn't know it was so embarrassing to like ATDI back in 2001.

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 23:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

That Arcarsenal performance is still amazing

underneath the moon and the stars (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 07:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

RoC is good, and Enfilade & Catacombs are particularly awesome (the dub middle 8 in Enfilage = wow, still), but yeah, Ross Robinson totally lost the really fucking wild, live but bizarre edge that Vaya has. I still dig Vaya out quite often and play it.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 11:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

I hardly play Vaya, I really like Relationship much much more. But In/Casino/Out might be my favorite ATDI-record. Still love this band dearly, and I'm glad I got to watch them live at their final show (@ Vera, Groningen in 2001).

Marty Innerlogic, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 11:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

did anyone watch that '250 episodes of later with jools holland' on saturday? It was basically showing classic performances. At The Drive In's amazing performance consisted of jumping about , doing crazy stuff and stealing the other acts' furniture. The next act on was Robbie Williams who began his act with about ten seconds of silence before he said "Can my mate have his chair back please?" It was pretty funny.

cajunsunday, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

timely revive -- been listening to these dudes a lot lately. I don't really get the hate for Relationship of Command's (admittedly glossy) 'modern rock' production (especially now that we're almost 10 years removed from that sound dominating the airwaves); if nothing else, it makes the crunchy moments really fuckin' CRUNCH, no?

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Monday, 13 September 2010 18:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

this one?

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Monday, 13 September 2010 20:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/breaking_news_at_the_drive_in_to_reunite

For some reason that link is really slow on my computer.

billstevejim, Monday, 9 January 2012 19:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://atdimusic.com/

Turrican, Monday, 9 January 2012 19:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Can't get that site to load, the atdimusic one, but I'm cautiously excited about this. Saw them in the Courtyard Cafe in Urbana opening for Get-Up Kids back in like '99 and it was a really fun show.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 19:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

yesss. saw them on the '99 guk tour too at college park md. my standard story is how atdi opened and guk fans tried holding the front to keep their spots for later but they couldn't deal once atdi started their set.

fauxmarc, Monday, 9 January 2012 19:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

I like both At The Drive-In *and* The Mars Volta (especially the first two Volta albums), and while this is undoubtedly good news and it's great to know the band are on speaking terms again... the big question is WHY they're doing this and WHY now?

It's startling to see the amount of people on the internet getting excited about this, because as revered a band as they were/are, they were never really what I'd call a 'massive band'. I don't have a problem with this, of course, because it's going to be interesting for me to see what becomes of this, but the reactions are interesting to say the least.

Turrican, Monday, 9 January 2012 19:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

they were never really what I'd call a 'massive band'

i don't know, making it to grand royal can probably be called "massive enough" - like weren't they doing stadiums at that point?

without any actual evidence whatsoever i've always blamed that signing for the breakup

fauxmarc, Monday, 9 January 2012 20:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

I went to that show specifically to see GUK, but was so blown away and exhausted by the ATDI set that I ended up leaving 3/4ths of the way through the GUK set.

Honestly I think a lot of the attention in 2012 is coming from younger Mars Volta fans who've always been hearing "man ATDI was amazing live" from the oldsters.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 20:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

...that's actually probably true and doesn't bode well for the shows but i'm probably still going for it

fauxmarc, Monday, 9 January 2012 20:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

i was one of those younger mars volta fans! was aware enough to notice "one armed scissor" on mtv2, loved de-loused and haha wiretap scars. eventually checked out relationship, never looked back except for when phil freeman compared amputechture to fusion-era miles davis (he's sort of right, i like that record now)

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

cut yr ribbon as it follows u

markers, Monday, 9 January 2012 20:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

still love u wiretap scars

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

man I was a big ATDI fan as a kid

bob loblaw people (dayo), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

and, uh, coincidentally I'm in my mid-20s now and fond of nostalgia. gee wonder why ATDI is reuniting??

bob loblaw people (dayo), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

in/casino/out better than relationship of command btw

bob loblaw people (dayo), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Honestly I think a lot of the attention in 2012 is coming from younger Mars Volta fans who've always been hearing "man ATDI was amazing live" from the oldsters.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, January 9, 2012 8:04 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not on my fucking Facebook wall it isn't

Buster Mottrhymes (DJ Mencap), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well obvs not all, I just meant that I'm sure that was feeding into it. Basically its not ALL 30-35 year old dudes who saw ATDI back in the day.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 20:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

regarding how "massive" they are, fwiw Alternative Press said they had either song of the decade or album of the decade.. i forget which

billstevejim, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

<3 Vaya, and some of it still holds up well

bomb.gif (dan m), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

RoC is boooring. It's all about Acrobatic Tenement

Ed Love (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 01:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

They just announced a club date in town tomorrow. Should I try and get tickets?

EZ Snappin, Monday, 9 April 2012 18:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Tickets are already gone.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 9 April 2012 18:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

So far they are just doing a couple Texas club shows and a bunch of festivals, right? Would love to see these guys again, tbh.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

just a warm-up last week in Austin, this week in Dallas, and Coachella (though maybe other festivals too). I think it's a smart way to see if you want to do more or not without committing too much in advance.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think they're also set for Reading and a couple other overseas festivals. Basically I'm hoping for a tour because I'm not going to go to Lollapalooza or w/e just to see them.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

me either. I never saw them the first time, and if my early afternoon hadn't been crazy I would have tried to get tickets for tomorrow night's show.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

I saw them twice back in college, and they were excellent. The first one was by accident, I went to see The Get-Up Kids with no idea of who the opener was. There was about 20-30 people in the student union for the show and they just went nuts.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

still good

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 13:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Was reading an interview with Cedric and Omar and they flat out said the main reason they got back together was because "Coachella threw an absurd amount of money at us to play". I think I appreciate bands being honest about why they are doing these reunion tours.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

do most bands actually make a lot of money on reunion tours vs just getting back together for the sake of it? every reunion isn't a megafest-throwing-money-at

fauxmarc, Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think they make decent money, I just meant that in ATDI's case that they're pretty open that it was all thanks to Coachella $$$. I wonder how much they made for just that festival.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

not all reunited bands make the same amount of money, but it seems like nearly all of them make better money for those shows than they did back when they were originally together, or with whatever 'current' project they'd been focusing on before the reunion

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

like even if a reunited band isn't headlining huge festivals, they're probably selling out multiple nights at larger clubs or the same venues they'd struggle to fill before

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought. I really would be curious to see the rates for Coachella though, because as far as I knew Omar was really, really against ever doing this.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 26 April 2012 21:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

doesn't scientology cost a lot

fauxmarc, Thursday, 26 April 2012 21:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

that's cedric tho, redact

fauxmarc, Thursday, 26 April 2012 21:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh noes. Is Cedric really sucked into Scientology? They're also playing Lolla on Sunday. I just got a ticket for Fri, for Sabbath, Afghan Whigs.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 26 April 2012 21:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

Scientology explains why it took him three years to write the lyrics for the new album.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 26 April 2012 22:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

it does take a lot of time to cut and paste together random passages of dianetics and battlefield earth sci-fi jargon.

like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Thursday, 26 April 2012 22:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

they should've been massive. they were about to be. an exciting original rock band to bury all the numetal post grunge tribal tattoo nonsense early on. ugh whatever. they had a couple years ahead of them

you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 2 March 2013 18:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

I could never not see them as a dollar shop Nation of Ulysses, but they had a couple of fun tunes.

She Got the Shakes, Saturday, 2 March 2013 20:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

the mars volta were so much better

The @glennbeck have raisin b-lls and rice crispy d-ck (stevie), Sunday, 3 March 2013 00:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

No.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Sunday, 3 March 2013 07:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

what is a good take on this band (where they came from and what they became)?

Gunoka Cuntles (Matt P), Sunday, 3 March 2013 08:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

So, this ANTEMASQUE album is really growing on me. Pop-prog with occasional hints of like El Gran Orgo-era ATDI. Pretty cool.

cwkiii, Thursday, 4 September 2014 15:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

they should've been massive. they were about to be. an exciting original rock band to bury all the numetal post grunge tribal tattoo nonsense early on. ugh whatever. they had a couple years ahead of them

― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 21 September 2014 01:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

It is beyond me why Relationship of Command isn't regarded as a bonafide classic album. It should be. It is, it's just not recognized as such. Fuck people iirc. The end,

definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 21 September 2014 01:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

How were they original?

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 21 September 2014 03:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

RoC is recognised as a bonafide classic album, isn't it?

A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Sunday, 21 September 2014 08:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

man i used to adore these guys. played Deloused recently and someone younger and not up on old indie bands or bands in general asked if I was playing Paramore. I had never heard of Paramore, so searched them out and you can imagine my surprise haha. Did ATDI and Mars Volta really influence modern pop bands?

BTW Sparta album needs more credit in here too.

Raccoon Tanuki, Sunday, 21 September 2014 11:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've never heard Paramore either. Is it worthwhile?

RoC is a recognized classic, but idk it feels like it didn't travel as far outside its own genre/circle? Thought it'd have a wider appeal I think.

definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 21 September 2014 11:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

"I've never heard Paramore either. Is it worthwhile?

RoC is a recognized classic, but idk it feels like it didn't travel as far outside its own genre/circle? Thought it'd have a wider appeal I think.

― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:19 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

/////
Idk they're like a rock pop band for tweens afaik. Their demo may x with Taylor Swift

RoC is a classic I think, you're right though it didn't travel so well as expected. It dabbled with people outside of atdi fanbase though, but most standard say nu-metal ppl at the time were not into it at all iirc

Raccoon Tanuki, Sunday, 21 September 2014 11:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah it's weird that ATDI didn't seem to have crossover appeal. I remember trying to play it for my friends at the time and it never stuck, one guy said they sounded like a shit version of RATM which struck me as bizarre even at the time.

And there's a disturbing amount of adult men who listen to Paramore

a proclamation of tortoise intent (ultros ultros-ghali), Sunday, 21 September 2014 12:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

ATDI doesn't get more retrospective cred cuz mars volta? anti-prog critics can't deal with the cognitive dissonance

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 21 September 2014 13:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

first two sparta albums are great, top to bottom

And there's a disturbing amount of adult men who listen to Paramore

lol okay

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 21 September 2014 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 21 September 2014 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

RoC is definitely canon in alt circles at this point; I wrote a 10th anniversary piece on it for Alternative Press, interviewed Omar and everything.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 21 September 2014 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

ATDI were on verge of crossover when they unexpectedly split (and, in the process, called time on grand royal records).

A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Sunday, 21 September 2014 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

[re q as to why atdi didn't crossover above]

A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Sunday, 21 September 2014 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

first two sparta albums are great, top to bottom

Porcelain in particular is a really nicely crafted rock record. Shame the followup was so dull.

Simon H., Sunday, 21 September 2014 21:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Should probably be noted as it hasn't yet that there were heavy heroin problems for like, a long time with these guys

Raccoon Tanuki, Monday, 22 September 2014 10:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

RoC is a recognized classic, but idk it feels like it didn't travel as far outside its own genre/circle? Thought it'd have a wider appeal I think.

― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:19 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It actually did at the time. Not only was the album much bigger in sales terms than anything they'd done before, but 'One Armed Scissor' in itself was massive. The album got a lot of attention, because it was released around the time when people who hadn't necessarily been buying rock/metal albums were suddenly buying rock/metal albums during the nu-metal period, even though At The Drive-In are obviously not a nu-metal band.

In fact, it was the success of this album and the resulting press that enabled Cedric & Omar to splinter off and get a lot of immediate attention for the first Mars Volta record, Deloused In The Comatorium.

Welcome To (Turrican), Monday, 22 September 2014 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

And yeah, both Omar and Cedric had serious problems with opiates for ages, not just in At The Drive-In but during the early Mars Volta years also.

Welcome To (Turrican), Monday, 22 September 2014 13:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

damn, the Antemasque record is surprisingly listenable

Simon H., Monday, 2 February 2015 18:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

One of my favourites from last year, great live too. Cedric sounds like Noddy Holder on a few tracks! I think a second album is due pretty soon.

#Research (stevie), Monday, 2 February 2015 19:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

The songs all seem to follow the same formula, like it feels like they're filling in the same template over and over again, which makes it hard to listen to the whole album straight through but they're pretty much all really good songs so who cares I guess.

cwkiii, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

i really love providence - it feels like it fell off zeppelin's Presence - saw them play London the night after Ikey Owens passed away and they played it for 25 minutes, and it was amazing.

#Research (stevie), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 09:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just discovered the Antemasque album last month. It's SO GOOD

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

i feel an atdi kick coming on. need to check out antemasque

when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 5 February 2015 02:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

I feel like it's the proper ATDI sellout album I never knew I wanted

Simon H., Thursday, 5 February 2015 05:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

its the record grand royal would have loved them to make instead of splitting up and going to form mars volta

#Research (stevie), Thursday, 5 February 2015 10:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

god damn that's dumb. such a great band, though...

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

when i saw tmv in 2008 cedric climbed the lighting equipment and tried to hang from it before security shut down the show

flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp: there are comments out and about on the web that purport to be from fellow attendees who say the water wasn't particularly hot.

how's life, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

this dude's burn looks kinda bad but thats rock n roll amirite http://pitchfork.com/news/58731-mars-voltaat-the-drive-in-offshoot-antemasque-accused-of-throwing-boiling-water-into-crowd/

flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

cedric does typically keep an urn of tea onstage when he plays, would be p hot

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, and i imagine that the spray that hit some people would have had a chance to cool off in the air more that the dude who got hit with the actual hot kettle.

hella looks like john c. reilly in this pic.

how's life, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

whole thing got me to revisit the antemasque record, which is a real grower and prob the most vital thing cedric and omar have done since... idk frances the mute? i like that one more than most

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 March 2015 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

I still need to hear that Antemasque record, at least this unfortunate revive reminded me of that much. I've followed ORL into some questionable rabbit holes with his solo projects, so I'm not sure why I'd skip out on one that people actually seem to really like.

ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 6 March 2015 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah it's just a lot of fun

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 March 2015 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

"50,000 kilowatts" especially

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 6 March 2015 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

getting back together for more shows in 2016. not sure how i feel about this. they never hit the east coast in 2012, and even though the recordings I saw were HORRIBLE, i will absolutely see them if i get the chance. only announced date so far is Columbus, OH in May. Jim Ward may or may not be involved...

http://www.nme.com/news/at-the-drive-in/90070

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 19:19 (5 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

new album??????????? i'm curious

http://pitchfork.com/news/62335-at-the-drive-in-tease-return/

flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:39 (4 months ago) Permalink

huh. antemasque are supposed to release a new album this year, so i doubt it

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:41 (4 months ago) Permalink

god that first antemasque album was so good. I still play it all the time.

Less surprised by the total lack of surprises (stevie), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 09:24 (4 months ago) Permalink

uuugh I would love new ATDI.
I think I've finally been won over to the Vaya-is-their-best camp.

regular ass terrestrial radio (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 12:49 (4 months ago) Permalink

Oh Vaya is totally their best.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 13:14 (4 months ago) Permalink

you don't hafta tell me!

regular ass terrestrial radio (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 13:44 (4 months ago) Permalink

new album, tons of shows

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 January 2016 20:18 (4 months ago) Permalink

"new music," which could mean... a few different things

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 January 2016 20:33 (4 months ago) Permalink

anyway i'm psyched, although i was sort of excited for a new sparta record

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 January 2016 20:33 (4 months ago) Permalink

the fact that Omar is giving interviews and seems psyched on it is really promising. also I had no idea he lived in El Paso now.

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 January 2016 21:54 (4 months ago) Permalink

anyway i can't fuck around, vaya is amazing but relationship of command is a 10/10 masterpiece

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 January 2016 22:04 (4 months ago) Permalink

(that happens to be mastered horribly and "non-zero possibility" isn't the greatest closer ever)

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 January 2016 22:04 (4 months ago) Permalink

in casino out is the best duh

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 21 January 2016 22:05 (4 months ago) Permalink

lol Acrobatic Tenement is my fave

rip van wanko, Thursday, 21 January 2016 22:08 (4 months ago) Permalink

In/Casino/Out and Vaya are flawless. RoC has fantastic songs but yeah the production wears me down. I'll always be grateful to Cedric for teaching me SO many words and phrases in his lyrics for ATDI and TMV. mandible, flechettes, bivouac, larynx, syntax, proletariat, enamel, panacea, sobriquet, glossolalia, mandible, phlegmatic, auto da fe, picaresque, lachrymal, seraphim, anglophile, contusion.... very helpful for a 13-year-old! thanks cedy

flappy bird, Friday, 22 January 2016 18:41 (4 months ago) Permalink

The kiosk in my temporal lobe is shaped like Rosalynn Carter

flappy bird, Friday, 22 January 2016 18:42 (4 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

quelle surprise

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

It technically wouldn't be the first time ATD-I have existed without Jim Ward, though. There's always seemed to have been quite a bit of tension between him and Omar/Cedric.

// 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Saturday, 19 March 2016 01:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

it's not the same w/o ward, breh

sunlick databait extremer, Saturday, 19 March 2016 11:50 (2 months ago) Permalink

presenting: the classic at the drive-in lineup from the el gran orgo ep

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Saturday, 19 March 2016 11:58 (2 months ago) Permalink

wow. their tour starts in three days. what happened? people are *pissed* all over the internet. i was never into sparta and definitely prefer the omar/ceddy side of the band, but jim is crucial to that balance, and on a practical level, what are they going to do? ATDI is a two-guitar band... they gonna have a roadie or a guitar tech fill in? what about vox? fuck. bummer

flappy bird, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

honestly, cancel some or all of tour & refund/reschedule might be the only thing for it

kinda sad to see their fanbase airing all these grievances, too -- people very quick to point fingers or suspect a scam (one dude accused them of "acting like drug addicts" !!!) -- my sentiments were nicely captured by one cooler-headed poster, who was pleased not to have found tickets after all, if the room was going to be filled with such bad vibes

bernard snowy, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah i mean its not a scam, they're not high, but omar is a hothead, and they've had a history in ATDI and TMV of kicking members out or people leaving on bad terms suddenly with little or no explanation (Jon Theodore, Thomas Pridgen, Eva Gardner, Blake Fleming, Ikey Owens, original ATDI breakup, TMV breakup...)

flappy bird, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:35 (2 months ago) Permalink

maybe it has something to do with the new material they were working on. i wonder if they were planning on playing new songs at these shows and jim wasn't feeling whatever direction they were going in, and they couldn't work it out and there was a silly blowup just like the first breakup.

flappy bird, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

xp seems kinda insane not to have learned from any of those past mistakes... but I guess having a 'backup plan' in case things with Ward went south would be too much bet-hedging for fans not to cry foul, so I eagerly look forward to whatever replacement guitarist they can find with the speed* to learn all the songs in three days '_'
*or meth?

bernard snowy, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah i mean given the short notice it's gotta be a guitar tech. still doesn't solve backup vox problem. omar cant sing

flappy bird, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:40 (2 months ago) Permalink

I'm not a super-fan, wasn't around to see them live, so have to ask: Jim is the one dude in this video who's *NOT* rocking the skinny jeans & black tee look, yes? #creativedifferences

bernard snowy, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:43 (2 months ago) Permalink

the legend goes that ATDI broke up when Jim wanted the next record to sound like Weezer and Omar and Cedric wanted it to sound like Piper at the Gates of Dawn. They destroy Jim in this Nardwuar interview circa 2008, Nard mentions Sleepercar, Omar's like "Jim who?.....Ohh! Oh! Yeah, Sleepercar. Sounds right." Cedric's like "I hope Jim doesn't show up to our show unannounced. He has a habit of doing that..."

flappy bird, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

I suspect that Jim has been out of the band for a while now. Rumour has it that Jim wasn't even told about these shows, and they've only just got around to confirming his absence now.

// 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:51 (2 months ago) Permalink

That doesn't square with the promo graphics featuring all five members. It was billed as a full reunion. They wouldn't just announce this three days before the tour starts if it was a long time coming. That's bad business. I don't think they're scamming people, I think they had a bad fight and it all fell apart like last week. Cedric was tweeting about rehearsals over the last month and everyone was involved.

flappy bird, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:57 (2 months ago) Permalink

btw i just found the only known live recording of Ursa Minor (26:30 in). video was uploaded 2 months ago

flappy bird, Saturday, 19 March 2016 17:10 (2 months ago) Permalink

chrissie bixler
‏@ChrissieBixler
@georgeelmer7 he's dealing with some personal stuff. I love Jim.

https://twitter.com/ChrissieBixler/status/710993825074794496

flappy bird, Saturday, 19 March 2016 20:25 (2 months ago) Permalink

oh jeez that's a bummer

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Saturday, 19 March 2016 20:50 (2 months ago) Permalink

I guess that clears it up. Nothing about this band ever goes smoothly, does it?

// 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Saturday, 19 March 2016 21:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

Still no additional information. First show is tomorrow in Santa Ana. I'm sure it'll be bedlam - a thousand angry fans, half of whom probably aren't even aware that Ward isn't a part of the reunion anymore. This could be a real disaster. I hope they pull it off somehow - for all their great work, they really act like amateurs sometimes.

flappy bird, Monday, 21 March 2016 20:11 (2 months ago) Permalink

Nobody knows who plays what in bands

lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 21 March 2016 22:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah no-one is going to cause a fracas cause jim isn't there let's be real

trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Monday, 21 March 2016 22:30 (2 months ago) Permalink

haha could you imagine? one bro in tight jeans and a flannel yelling "WHERES JIM" getting all hulked out lol.

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 21 March 2016 22:33 (2 months ago) Permalink

Nobody knows who plays what in bands

― lute bro (brimstead), Monday, March 21, 2016 6:18 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for a reunion tour with $60-80 tickets? doubt it. i doubt there will be a FRACAS, but the atmosphere will be totally fucked at first, and yeah, there will be plenty of bros screaming "WHERES JIM"

flappy bird, Monday, 21 March 2016 22:43 (2 months ago) Permalink

thank you

there will be plenty of bros screaming "WHERES JIM" (cwkiii), Monday, 21 March 2016 23:53 (2 months ago) Permalink

WHERE'S JIM!?

// 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 00:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

IT'S FUCKING BEDLAM IN HERE!
OMG, BRO, WHERE'S JIM!?

// 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 00:02 (2 months ago) Permalink

Jimghazi

trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 00:03 (2 months ago) Permalink

Fire and jimstone!

// 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 00:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

did any of you guys see that benghazi movie starring jim from the office

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 00:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

WHERE'S JIM?!

trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 17:51 (2 months ago) Permalink

santa ana police are preparing for trouble at tonight's show:

trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 17:53 (2 months ago) Permalink

^ These guys take having "WHERE'S JIM!?" shouted at them very seriously.

// 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 18:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think
By the way, WHERE'S JIM!?

// 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 18:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

the legend goes that ATDI broke up when Jim wanted the next record to sound like Weezer and Omar and Cedric wanted it to sound like Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

sounds like no great loss tbh

Laertiades (imago), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 18:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

i don't know, i always loved this cover... so much better than their out of tune cover of "This Night Has Opened My Eyes" by the Smiths...

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 18:21 (2 months ago) Permalink

xp. I think you need the ying and the yang tho.

atd-i > mars volta > sparta
mars volta + sparta = atd-i

trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 18:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

this is why jim's absence is going to cause massive unrest

trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 18:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

and 67-minute blowout jams ;)

Laertiades (imago), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 18:51 (2 months ago) Permalink

xp. I think you need the ying and the yang tho.

atd-i > mars volta > sparta
mars volta + sparta = atd-i

― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:41 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:11 (2 months ago) Permalink

I'm now imagining an ATD-I themed book of Where's Wally/Waldo? titled "WHERE'S JIM?!"

WHERE'S JIM!? (Turrican), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

I would say

ATDI > ANTEMASQUE > SPARTA > MARS VOLTA

nate woolls, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

you obviously do not enjoy latin rhythms and guitar pedals smh

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:32 (2 months ago) Permalink

xx-post:

"Ah, there he is, near the non-operational station and the invalid litter dept., just behind the one-armed scissor!"

WHERE'S JIM!? (Turrican), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:32 (2 months ago) Permalink

doubting whether nate enjoys music tbh

Laertiades (imago), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

I like the first two Mars Volta records, particularly the second. Couldn't really get away with much after that, though, I kinda lost interest.

WHERE'S JIM!? (Turrican), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

first two sparta albums are killer imo

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah i think i'd argue both offshoot bands were about equal in terms of quality. even the third sparta album has its moments but it's a victim of overreach (there's a gospel choir on the last track)

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:44 (2 months ago) Permalink

the mars volta are fantastic from tremulant through amputechture... bedlam in goliath is spotty but has some great songs, both albums after that are disposable. never could get into sparta. and yeah, neither are as good as ATDI.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 20:14 (2 months ago) Permalink

the final track on noctourniquet or whatever is excellent

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 20:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

can't remember the rest of it

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 20:16 (2 months ago) Permalink

i made myself like amputechture but you can tell they've already run out of ideas by then

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 20:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

The Mars Volta definitely went astray for quite a few years, but came back with Noctourniquet. I saw them live in 2005 and they were amazing. Three hours at Roseland, no opening act, something like 10 people onstage, including Larry Harlow (legendary salsa pianist) at one point. This is a clip from that show:

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 20:19 (2 months ago) Permalink

Noctourniquet is a great album imo

TMV > ATD-I > Antemasque > Sparta

someone who just gets annoyed at bad tweets (stevie), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 20:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

the song Goliath from Bedlam is fantastic

moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 20:22 (2 months ago) Permalink

when they came out i heard wiretap scars before de-loused and thought the former was great and the latter was ridiculous for a LONG time. still, i revisit the first two sparta albums way more than tmv. i wish they had followed up threes, it's so uneven but they seemed poised to become a really interesting emo u2, e.g.

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 20:23 (2 months ago) Permalink

Any reported fatalities from the bedlam yet?

WHERE'S JIM!? (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 01:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

I'm not going to be any help here as ATDI isn't really my thing but we really wanted to see Le Butcherettes who are astonishingly great live. Easily found $20 tickets on Craigslist (disgruntled fan?). Stuck around for a couple of songs. Fans seemed happy, but (at least until we left) there was no confrontation or rioting.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 07:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

So according to the shoddy youtube cellphone video I just watched the sub for JIM!? is none other than ex-Engine Down/Denali/Sparta member Keeley Davis! Sounded fine I guess, though Omar's guitar was so much louder they may as well have just come out as a four piece.

But real talk I would personally be waaaaay more excited about a Denali reunion, good for Keeley though

sheesh, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 08:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

Arcarsenal
Pattern Against User
Sleepwalk Capsules
300 MHz
Proxima Centauri
Lopsided
Invalid Litter Dept.
Enfilade
Quarantined
Chanbara
Ursa Minor
Cosmonaut
Metronome Arthritis
Catacombs
Napoleon Solo
One Armed Scissor

flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 14:43 (2 months ago) Permalink

this is Extremely Cool

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:32 (2 months ago) Permalink

Okay totally stoked for sunday now

someone who just gets annoyed at bad tweets (stevie), Thursday, 24 March 2016 10:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

seems like everyone was psyched. haven't yet found any videos of ppl screaming WHERES JIM!? im so psyched they're playing so many Vaya tracks, especially Proxima Centauri.

flappy bird, Thursday, 24 March 2016 18:03 (2 months ago) Permalink

"Napoleon Solo" on the 20th anniversary of Laura & Sarah's death...

flappy bird, Thursday, 24 March 2016 18:24 (2 months ago) Permalink


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