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Can anyone confirm this? Can we believe it?

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

(vocalist Debbie Googe is apparently not present

I wouldn't take the word of anyone who can't actually get their facts right - Goodge was BASSIST, not vocalist.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

this has already been talked abt in a couple of other threads.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

i don't believe it yet. it seems all a bit unsubstantiated

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

fuck it anyway! indie is dead so there wouldn't be much point ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

i'm irritable enough right now to take that extremely personally

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Free Jazz is alive?

Improvise yer ass outta here, funhater!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

free jazz/improv has a small but committed audience. ppl who are into indie go into management.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Do they? I wish I was in management. I'd be better paid. Sigh.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

ok then. they also do the marriage/kids thing and they forget indie ever existed ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'd like to get married. I'd like to have kids. I can very much imagine HSA trying to get our babies to dance around to Throbbing Gristle the way that my dad used to scare me with Yes.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

throbbing gristle is industrial music.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was experimentalist, oh well.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

Just another word for "shit".

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

also, remember that when you get married and begin to breed, you're required by law to bring a cellphone into the office and have dramatic conversations everyday with your husband, or loudly admonish your crotchspawnlings, to the obvious delight of your coworkers, every single day for the next 20 years.

or maybe that's something that's just required in the American Midwest...

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

''Just another word for "shit".''

oi!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

Julio in "can dish it out but can't take it" SHOCKAH!!!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

I wasn't aware that Glider was intended as a full length LP. The idea that there may be another half dozen "Soon"-like ditties in the can is very much welcome. Simon Reynolds' old take on the matter was that he wished they'd have stuck with this direction before the recording of Loveless. I wonder whether any of their mythical drum'n'bass period will ever show up? Wasn't Debbie in a band called Snowplough or something? Colm was involved with Hope Sandoval and The Warm Inventions - Belinda's activities have been unreported to date.

― Robert Moore (treble), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

''Julio in "can dish it out but can't take it" SHOCKAH!!!''

I deal in facts. you deal in myths.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

Going back to the ULU show in 1990, Colm's drumming was fucking breathtaking. And in such heat. The walls were literally melting. I think that Sonic Boom supported in solo guise - the usual indie liggers of the day were propping up the bar (hello Miki!).

― Robert Moore (treble), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Snowpony, I think. 'Snowplough' is a million times better, though.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Shields has been christened "Bagpuss" by the Primal Scream clan. Anyone know the origin of this? A friend of mine always said that MBV gave off the appearance of being unwashed and slightly smelly.

― Robert Moore (treble), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

Julio I gotta say:

free jazz/improv has a small but committed audience. ppl who are into indie go into management.

seems roughly equal to "I will spin it positively for the subculture I like, and negatively for the one I don't" - if indie is "dead," then free jazz has decomposed. I happen to like both so whateveh, but I just wanted to say.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

I like both too (well, not everything, its a case by case basis). I was just playing around.

(but actually, indie is not that much of a 'subculture' anymore whereas 60s jazz and free improv (there is a distinction here btw), despite being older, has more of that, but that doesn't matter)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

colm still plays with hope sandoval and if i'm not completely mistaken he and she are married and both live in berkeley.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

they live near berkeley in kensington.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought Hope Sandoval was hanging with William Reid, or is that mouldy old corn?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Damn, this thread is turning into paparazzi press!

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 15:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Charlie, yer gossip is about ten years out of date!

― kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

saw the Lost in Translation trailer!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

did I just completely miss this???

http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1431220.html

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 01:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Apparently you're not alone. But at least it's there!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

also, finally a new fansite:

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

With all the MBV dropping on ILM and the gaze thing and the fact that Kevin did several songs on Lost In Translation I would hope so. I hope so.

― cs appleby (cs appleby), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Kevin Shields and Ned Raggett are slowly merging into one being:

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/images/filter03.jpg

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Curt1s, Curt1s - be careful what you wish for!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

That joke has been made several times now on many threads! First by me I think. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

He loves cheese.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

A'right then, Ned. You've recorded you 'Ecstasy & Wine' now, obviously. When is yer 'Isn't anything' due?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

Kevin Shields is my Friendster.

Kevin Shields
Member Since May 2003
Last Login 01/06/2004

Gender:
Male

Interested in
Meeting People for:
Friends, Activity Partners

Status:
Single

Age:
40

Occupation:
Recording artist & dyslexia spokesman

Location:
United Kingdom

Hometown:
Long Island, NY and Dublin, Ireland

Interests:
Rearranging my recording studio, bankrupting record labels, the hypnagogic state, gourmet meals, martial arts, breeding chinchillas, smoking lots of dope, watching lots of TV, easy projects, writing fresh and simple material, and just keeping it simple!

Favorite Music:
Beach Boys, Burt Bacharach, Beatles, Public Enemy, Sonic Youth, Ramones

Favorite TV Shows:
Just about anything, really.

About Me:
You may have heard of my band, My Bloody Valentine. Many critics have written about us in very flowery terms. I don't think I understood what they were saying in those reviews half the time. That guy from Phish loves me guitar sounds though. Do me a favor and buy my Lost in Translation soundtrack. Island Records isn't helping me out much these days. Also kids, don't forget to buy our box set that's coming out in early '04.

Who I Want to Meet:
Great recording effects designers, more film directors, those with good weed, record labels who understand my fondness for expensive food and all of the time I like to spend in and out of the studio. Just remember... I NO LONGER DO REMIXES!

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sure sounds like him!

When is yer 'Isn't anything' due?

I must achieve my breakthrough.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

that profile is CLASSIC.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 04:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hands up who owns his remix of Hurricane £1? < /old Select jokes>

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

Shields lives in Long Island now? Where?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

the duties + demands placed on a dyslexia spokesman are immense¡
do you people really think he has time for anything else¿
surely he has found his true calling.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

Can someone post the link to 'What Kevin Shields is doing now'?

― Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 22:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

site says to expect this in late '05 or early '06...

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/news/boxset.html

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

hmmm don't mean to be a cynical carl but i don't believe any of that page for a damn second.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

last i'd heard the retrospective was a double CD, not a million disc double box set

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

well, until then we'll have this "City Girl" video:

http://metroencoding.net/emperornorton/ref/kevinshields_city-girl_320x180_large-REF.mov

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

uh, has there been any speak of Kevin Shields playing this years Meltdown!?

what on earth is he going to play?

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Friday, 29 April 2005 22:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

WHOA.

"The Coral Sea 0 Text: Patti Smith Music: Patti Smith, Kevin Shields, Cat Power (Queen Elizabeth Hall, 22 June)"

I am so FUCKING there.

― box.of.rox, Friday, 29 April 2005 23:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

Now furiously googling for cheap flights to London.

― box.of.rox, Friday, 29 April 2005 23:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure whatever it is, it'll be good. :-) Pity I'll miss it by two weeks!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

what is this exactly?

― Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's this thing.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

you would sit through the whole of horses to see kevin shields eat some pie? that's dedication.

― keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'll have to ask him about this if I can get him on the phone soon -- supposed to talk for the "Loveless" book I hope to finish in two weeks.

Ohh shit should I start a thread here trawling for questions here for Mr. Shields, or is that redundant?

I tried trawling through here for ideas for the book a year ago and it all just seemed so redundant to type "Loveless" in the search engine, since almost every single thread came up! Hah.

What I REALLY need is help tracking down any of the people who worked on the album (esp. any of the 57 engineers) now that I got my "high quality" (hah) VOIP on and can make free phone calls to the UK...

― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

xpost
What on earth do you mean, "sit through"? I fucking LOVE Horses. All the more reason.

― box.of.rox, Friday, 29 April 2005 23:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Ohh shit should I start a thread here trawling for questions here for Mr. Shields, or is that redundant?" - The most obvious questions seem so sadly unanswerable..

I'm greatly interested in your book, Michael. Do you have a title for it?

― Steve Gertz (sgertz), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

Ohh sorry to assume everyone knows I'm doing this, hah -- first Mr. Keenan was supposed to do it then he had to bail, and I've taken a few months more than I was supposed to to write the thing -- but somehow that's all fitting given the topic, right? That's what I tell myself anyway!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0826415482

― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

you've spoken to mcgee already?

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

Nope, put mutltiple requests in but never heard back! I dunno if he doesn't want to talk or maybe my contact info is bogus? I'll keep trying.

― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

You asked for it. You've dreamed of it. Now finally, together, for one night only: Steve Earle and Patti Smith (Royal Festival Hall, 19)!!!!

― john'n'chicago, Friday, 29 April 2005 23:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

"horses" is a peice of shit

― Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

You mean "piece"? In any case, I do not agree, obviously.

Glad to hear that the 33-1/3 book on Loveless is well under way -- been waiting for that one. Sorry, can't think of any good questions off the top of my head, only idiotic/boring ones.

― box.of.rox, Friday, 29 April 2005 23:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

Question one: To Here Knows When...HOW?

Question two: Really?

― The Father of Honky-Crunk (Matt Chesnut), Saturday, 30 April 2005 00:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah...piece

― Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Saturday, 30 April 2005 00:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

Wait, here's a geek question. I swear I read somewhere that dude had an instrument specially built just to record "Sometimes." True? And if so, how was it customised? Like he'd even remember at this point. Still I'm curious.

Also, have you talked or will you be talking to Bilinda, Colm, and/or Debbie? I'd be interested to hear what they have to say about the album at this point.

― box.of.rox, Saturday, 30 April 2005 00:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

Kevin Shields and Cat Power are totally gonna get married and sit in an apartment for the rest of their lives getting stoned and watching kung-fu movies in Spanish and eating lentils and duct taping over the windows and bitching about how nobody understands how hard it is for them to make music. It's gonna be like Les Enfants. Starring Alan McGee as Paul.

― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 30 April 2005 02:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

wow, you are so beyond music julio.

― corey c (shock of daylight), Saturday, 30 April 2005 02:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yay for Mike! I'm glad *someone's* doing it -- I was asked once or twice by others if I ever wanted to try for it but I gotta be honest, I find it near impossible to talk about the album or its personal impact on me, it was simply that profound. I've learned to accept that the most entrancing, powerful and moving album and music of my life will ultimately be indescribable by myself -- but that's why I like reading other interpretations of it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 30 April 2005 04:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

Really -- let's talk about this for a second. Is Loveless unbelievabl.y overrated? Think about it -- it's possible. I love it, too. It makes me feel completely overwhelmed, like I'm stranded in a studio with nowhere to go, where high frequencies are the norm and nothing sounds clear. It's all sound -- all dreamy, all fresh.

Except for those drums, which haunt me in their determinate sincerity. What the hell is it about them that just...stays there? Do they anchor the music or do they ground it? Because there's something about the rest of it all that feels so fucking free. But those drums -- they bring it all back down to earth, as if sound were not indeterminate at all. As if it were very much finite.

The thing about Loveless is that is should be anything I want it to be. But it isn't.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 30 April 2005 04:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

Why should it be anything you want it to be?

― sleep (sleep), Saturday, 30 April 2005 04:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

I guess you explained what you mean by that in the post (that it should be more formless and thus more malleable in the mind of the listener, i think?), but I guess I'm asking why any album should be expected to be everything/anything to everyone/anyone? Of course that's impossible.

― sleep (sleep), Saturday, 30 April 2005 04:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

The big question is between Cat Power and Kevin Shields will either of them manage to play a full set of songs?

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 30 April 2005 08:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

What, does Shields have trouble playing live? I thought the problem was getting his own stuff recorded to his satisfaction. Anyway it sounds like the show is going to consist of Smith's "The Coral Sea" (her elegy for Robert Mapplethorpe, published in 1996) with music by herself, Shields, and Power, so "full set of songs" is probably moot.

Uh, I'm probably not fucking there. As the effect of that potent little cup of Chantico™ wanes, it becomes clear that spending a thousand bucks or so basically just to go to one show is too insane at this point even for me, even to see two of my personal top five living artists (one of whom is in some sort of weird career limbo and whom I'll likely never get to see perform) on a stage together, probably for the only time ever. SOB. Somebody had better bootleg this, is all. Horses haters note: no one will have to "sit through" anything; see the schedule.

(However! When I got up yesterday I had perfect indie-rock bedhead, requiring no human intervention whatsoever, for the first and undoubtedly last time in my life. I'll take my karmic consolation prizes where I can find them.)

― box.of.rox, Saturday, 30 April 2005 09:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

I am trying to get through on behalf of my friends. The rfh server seems to have melted down. Anyone got any 'no s' tricks?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 5 May 2005 07:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

i don't understand what you just said

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 5 May 2005 07:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

The Meltdown tickets went on sale 45 mins ago. The Royal Festival Hall website seems to have died, or is at least very overloaded. I can't connect to it anyway. I was wondering if anyone knew any secret way in. The 'no s' thing is a Glastonbury 2004 joke, sorry.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 5 May 2005 07:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

Shields has no problems performing live, he's been in The Primal Scream Retirement Home For Non-Burnt-Out Former Indie Band Members for five years now

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

I was talking about a full set of his own songs. i know he has no problem performing.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

he's only got to play one Patti Smith song here, so he should be able to pull it off

could be funny if Chan Marshall flakes onstage though, and Smith has to reprimand and corral her mid-set

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

so at the risk of being a credulous fool...

a boozy friend accosted shields over the weekend and he claimed the new mbv record was totally finished and he would be getting the gang together to tour it imminently. This pretty much tallies with the account of a mutual acquaintance who worked with the man 6 months or so ago. so maybe either ksheilds is a delusional tease or we might be getting some shinynewmbv. Has anyone heard anything that might corroborate this either way?

― cw, Monday, 16 July 2007 10:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

I reckons he says that to everyone who asks, every time, for the past five years...

― Mark G, Monday, 16 July 2007 10:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

He's been too busy hanging out at Sonic Cathedrals, celebrating himself, to record an album!

― Masonic Boom, Monday, 16 July 2007 10:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

ksheilds is a delusional tease

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 16 July 2007 10:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

precisely! he's been out and about a lot lately so maybe he has something to celebrate. he claimed that all the mbvers had been contacted and were pretty much ready to start rehearsing.

― cw, Monday, 16 July 2007 10:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

And once they've had nine years' of rehearsals, they should be ready to hit the road.

― Matthew H, Monday, 16 July 2007 11:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm only interested if dave conway is involved

― electricsound, Monday, 16 July 2007 11:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

No, see, he's totally telling the truth, it's just that Kevin Shields perceives time on a geological- nay, an astronomical scale.

― Telephone thing, Monday, 16 July 2007 13:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Hmmmm...

http://www.myspace.com/mybloodyvalentine

Please note it also links to this, registered with no content as yet:

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.co.uk/

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 August 2007 17:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

;-D

i will have some news to share with you soon!!!

― Steve Shasta, Friday, 24 August 2007 17:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

well, it's a start...still, '92 was a long time ago, in so many ways...

― henry s, Friday, 24 August 2007 17:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

i will have some news to share with you soon!!!

Yay the news! (Vinita J. co-runs the myspace site and is on the level, known her for a decade now, so i figure something's up.)

Henry S is right, though. Still, we will see.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 August 2007 18:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

man you guys are suckers

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 24 August 2007 18:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

All those mid-90s "he's really into jungle" and "he's really into speed metal" rumors created this expectation that if MBV did suddenly return, it'd be with something completely mind-blowing and out-of-nowhere -- an impression his sheer long absence seemed to back up. ("If he's been holed up working on something for this long, it MUST be because it's going to be as next-level amazing as Loveless was!") ... But given the remix work he's done lately, and his general involvement with the same sorts of people and sounds and trends as before, some grand new shift seems less and less likely. And while I wouldn't mind hearing new work or collaborations or whatever that just kinda follow the same path as before, the thought isn't actively exciting, or anything.

― nabisco, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

You are dead inside.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

reunions suck

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm perfectly happy with him making killer Primal Scream remixes and fiddling around with sdtks or whatever - who needs a filthy lucre-style reunion tour with his pudgy mug playing Do You Realise for 30 minutes yet again

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'd be pretty pissed if he played Flaming Lips songs as well.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha sorry You Made Me Realize

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm looking at it like the Velvet Underground reunion (as their dormant period is now about the same amount of time). It's a chance to see them all on the same stage again before they start dying.

― everything, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's a better world with *that* guitar and *those* vocals in it...in any form, really...

― henry s, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

didn't VU reunite about 25 years after they split?

― henry s, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Part of me is still surprised that Bilinda has never had any kind of Beth Gibbon / Hope Sandoval / Martina Topley-Bird type semi-solo collaboration album. I guess the obvious difference is that people aren't all in love with Bilinda's voice in particular, but still.

― nabisco, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

I used to see Colm O'Cloisig around town DJing and whatnot - guess he recently moved to LA.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

didn't VU reunite about 25 years after they split?

19 Years. 17 if you include Lou and John's "Songs For Drella".

― everything, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Actually wiki says they all played together in 1990, so 17 years I guess.

― everything, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

I hate to say it but I think Shakey's right. There are suckers here.

― Bimble, Saturday, 25 August 2007 04:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.thedailyswarm.com/swarm/believe-it-or-not-my-bloody-valentine-reuniting-for-coachella-2008/

― Mike McGooney-gal, Monday, 27 August 2007 10:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

the peel session, for those that don't have it.

http://chunklet.com/

― Dandy Don Weiner, Monday, 27 August 2007 20:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

thanks for posting that, dandy! i have this session, but these versions are much higher quality

― 6335, Monday, 27 August 2007 21:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

anything for The Cause, dude.

― Dandy Don Weiner, Monday, 27 August 2007 22:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

But now some tantalizing hints have emerged in the past few weeks that suggest the band is finally gearing up for a return to action. In July, several fans reported encounters with Shields at Primal Scream and Dinosaur Jr. shows in England, Ireland, and Russia, each returning with the same story: that Shields very matter-of-factly spoke of My Bloody Valentine in the very present tense. The fans reported Shields said that two new My Bloody Valentine releases are in the works – an anthology of unreleased 90s material and an album of brand new studio recordings – along with the imminent release of remastered versions of the band’s original studio work. He is also reported as saying, on several different occasions, that a 2008 tour is in the works that will feature the band’s original lineup. (Read some of the reports here, here, and here.) Furthermore, in an interview published earlier this year in Magnet magazine, Shields was adamant about the band’s return: “We are 100% going to make another My Bloody Valentine record unless we die or something,” he said.

WoW, thanks Mike!

― Bee OK, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 04:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

Must... not... get... hopes up.

― Trayce, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 04:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'll believe it when my ears are bleeding.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 04:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm kicking myself I missed the only tour they did here previously (1991 or 92 I think? Maybe 1990?). I could have gone to 2 diff shows and didnt. Gah! What was I thinking.

― Trayce, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 04:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

if you are in the US then that tour was in 1992.

― Bee OK, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 05:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

...saw them twice in three nights.

― Bee OK, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 05:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'll be just happy with archival recordings, really.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 05:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

I was in Aus but it might have been the same tour.

― Trayce, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 05:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ned for some reason I see you saying that from a comfy chair with a blanket on your knee, dusting off an old vinyl copy of "Ecstacy and Wine" with a wistful smile.

― Trayce, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 05:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Jokes on you. I don't have a copy of that.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 05:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

;_;

― Trayce, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 05:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

I do but it's totally worn out (by the previous owner unfortunately) - record looks lovely and shiny and unscratched, but you play it and argh it sounds like shit :( Maybe they played it with a reeeally worn out needle or something.

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 10:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

I found a brand new (well, it was sealed and unplayed) vinyl copy of Ecstacy and Wine (that's the compilation, isn't it?) in a shop in Barcelona 2 years ago. I went there last year and they still had brand new copies in stock.

On the one hand I'm very sceptical about all this, and in the other I'm counting pennies for a flight to SF.

― Bocken Social Scene, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 10:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

sister ray had cd copies for £19.99 just before they moved. still on Lazy. bootlegs i guess.

― koogs, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm counting pennies for a flight to SF.

except cochella is near LA

― akm, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ace. Will that be mean more or less pennies to count?

Gah, it's never going to happen. The gig or my money saving.

― Bocken Social Scene, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 14:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

I saw them play at the Old Melbourne Hotel in Perth. Not a big room, so at some stage during proceedings we suddenly realised that we were alone in the middle of the room and that most of the audience were actually pressed up against the back wall.

― SeekAltRoute, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 21:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

I heard that Perth gig was somewhat bizarre, the noise and feedback were bad rather than good, from dim memories of reviews of the time. People leaving with hands over ears and etc.

― Trayce, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 22:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

That was a typical reaction for many.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 22:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

I loved it of course.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 22:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

The one I went to, people walked out of the half-full(!) Moore Theater in Seattle. Me and Michael Stipe, standing behind me, made it through without earplugs. Fond memories.

― jergïns, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 22:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sounds like the Mogwai gig I went to a few years back. *Intense* noise, but not so it hurt the ears, it just enveloped the whole body. I was half deaf for days.

― Trayce, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 22:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

xpost: I WAS THERE

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 22:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

All right, so I can't resist self-promotion:

Then "You Made Me Realize" started, and I thought to myself, "OK, I am going to take an exact measure of the time here as soon as they start the chord." They began, I noted my watch, and then waited to see what would happen.
They kept playing, of course. From my perspective it was quite fun, guessing who knew what was forthcoming and who had no idea. I could see the clumps at the foot of the stage, people all crammed in, but they were starting to fray a bit towards the edge as the chord kept hammering out. I just watched and nodded and let my mind drift.
They kept playing at fifteen minutes. I was exhausted already, sure, but not completely trashed, so I was happily into the feeling being generated, the combination of repetition and minisecond strum and maximum volume. (Shields again, from our interview: "The (show) in Los Angeles, it was a shame, because it wasn't loud. . . . Loud in a caustic way, but not in a low-frequency way, not in the stomach way. In the ears, yeah. I think we definitely tried to push that as far as we could ever push it. But I think in the future I want to make it a lot more physical, in a body way.")
They kept playing at twenty-five minutes. I swear I saw people literally staggering towards the exit, just having to leave, not being able to stand another second of it. But then I also saw people moving forward, almost as if they couldn't be controlled-moths to the flame.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 22:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

I had a version of this d/l from whenever. I think it was 15 mins.

Where it is now, though, who knows. It was from Audiogalaxy...

― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 22:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hahah yeah that is what happened at Mogwai too (they played "My Father My King" and did a similar 20-minute earsplitting drone chord). I would LOVE to experience YMMR in the same way (as long as the mix wasnt that painful treble that kills ones ears).

xpost

― Trayce, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 22:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

I just read that in the Marooned book, Ned.

Good job.

That book made me finally go out and buy Transient Randome Noise Bursts, after I had decided that I needed no more Stereolab.

― flamingrev, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'll believe it when my ears are bleeding.

OTM.

Wait a minute - Trayce you are on to something - Ecstasy & Wine, that's the album I've been trying to remember the name of for awhile now. I kept getting confused when I heard the song "Strawberry Wine" again. Thanks for clearing that up in my memory. I can't figure out exactly what happened to that. I'm not sure if I still have that LP now or not. Or if I don't, why. Oh, I'll have to check my stacks.

Nope I don't have it. And I don't know why. It must have been because my mother couldn't see well enough to read the cover of it when she was going through that section of vinyl with me on the phone.

And yet I still keep getting this eerie feeling that I've heard it recently. I don't get it. Alright, well maybe I downloaded and don't remember but I never made a folder for it so I don't understand how I could have even heard half of it.

― Bimble, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha! Good lord this is weird, I'm actually drinking strawberry wine right now, if you can believe that. Completely unintentionally coincidental. Last time I drank this stuff was a year ago.

― Bimble, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

I heard that the reason they've been gone for so long is that they've been playing the chord from the middle of You Made Me Realise for 8 years

― badg, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 04:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wonder how long someone could listen to that at great volume before they went mad/deaf.

― Trayce, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 05:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh that was the other thing I was going to say was that the one time I saw them live, there the loudest band I ever saw aside from Swans on the Children of God tour.

― Bimble, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 05:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Good loud rather than "ow my freakin ears!" loud I trust! :)

― Trayce, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 05:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well, I suppose so. I'm afraid the gig doesn't stick out in my mind a whole lot, but I remember enjoying it well enough.

― Bimble, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 05:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

If you "started" with "Isn't", and went backwards, album/single stepping, how far back until you'd say "this isn't them is it?"

― Mark G, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 08:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

"...the noise and feedback were bad rather than good..."

At the time, I definitely went with "good", but in hindsight "bad" would be the better description.

I hadn't been so physically assaulted by music since seeing the Beasts of Bourbon at Metropolis in Fremantle - when it was still called 'Cargoes'! The old timber floor of the band room proved highly conductive to Brian Hooper's bass in particular, with Kim Salmon and Spencer Jones' guitars not far behind.

I honestly thought my sternum was going to explode.

― SeekAltRoute, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 09:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure they will not only do Coachella, but also other festivals in Europe next summer.

― joanet vich, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 09:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, they'll probably end up doing a "secret gig" at Sonic Cathedral. *Then* I could die happy.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 09:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

"It's definitely happening"

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2007/08/my-bloody-valen.html

― caek, Thursday, 30 August 2007 12:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

ITS DEFINITELY HAPPENING
Don't call it a comeback: MBV

― sanskrit, Thursday, 30 August 2007 15:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

I hope they *dont* do that long version of You made me realise.

Oh, I know, I know, you want to subject yourself and all that, to the coming-of-age ritual and all that.

It's just there's so much they could play in that time, why blot all that out w/15 mins of it? There would be more stunnage if they did the 3 mins 30 version. and ha.

― Mark G, Thursday, 30 August 2007 15:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

I once saw a Crosby, Stills & Nash show where the power went out and they had to do the whole thing unplugged...would love for this to happen to MBV...

― henry s, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to continue to refuse to believe it is happening. More linx please.

― Bimble, Saturday, 1 September 2007 00:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

from mybloodyvalentine.net:

"Kevin's manager can only confirm that Kevin is currently remastering their albums as well as the rest of the Creation Records back a catalog I would imagine because this has been rumoured lately as well."

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 1 September 2007 01:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

someone should break it gently to kevin that the process of mastering consists of a bit more than staring into space

― electricsound, Saturday, 1 September 2007 01:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha.

― Trayce, Saturday, 1 September 2007 02:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

Bahahahah

― Bimble, Saturday, 1 September 2007 02:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to continue to refuse to believe it is happening. More linx please.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 1 September 2007 11:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Here we go again...

Via Pitchfork:

"...So what did we learn today? That My Bloody Valentine are indeed back together in some configuration or another. That they've recorded new material. That they have at least two releases on the way, one of which may very well come out this year. And, last but not least, that Loveless has a follow-up and IT WILL SOON TOUCH THE EARS OF HUMANKIND."

― Z S, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 22:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Damn, I searched for My Bloody Valentine on the front page, not MBV. Disregard.

― Z S, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 22:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

wake me when its leaked

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 22:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

"[The new album is] going to be this 96/97 half-finished record finished, and then a compilation of stuff we did before that in 1993–94, and a little bit of new stuff.

Not exactly a *new* album.

― three handclaps, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 22:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

it would have been cooler if they went all crazy like scott walker but i picture them going dull as dishwater like kraftwerk

― electricsound, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 22:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

This is not going to happen and we all know it.

― Telephone thing, Thursday, 8 November 2007 05:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha

― electricsound, Thursday, 8 November 2007 05:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh can't you see
I believe I believe I believe

― 6335, Thursday, 8 November 2007 05:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

<i>The Boy Who Tremelo'd Wolf</i>

― Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 8 November 2007 06:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

IT WILL SOON TOUCH THE EARS OF HUMANKIND
i can't help myself but their concept of the word "soon" reminds me a little of christian eschatology. in the meantime (before judgement day) i think i will listen to their cover of "we have all the time in the world" again. a perfect swan song if there ever was one.

― alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 8 November 2007 12:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

This is not going to happen and we all know it.

― poortheatre, Thursday, 8 November 2007 22:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Amazon.com: Reviews for Loveless: Music: My Bloody Valentine
All Hype, September 7, 2006
Reviewer: Robert J. Bruce (Angola, New York United States) - See all my reviews
I bought this album because I am so into Sigur Ros at the moment and it seems all the reviews I read say that "...if you like Sigur Ros you will like MBV.." Let me say this album is no where near a Sigur Ros experience.

― stephen, Friday, 9 November 2007 09:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

and thank fuck for that

― electricsound, Friday, 9 November 2007 10:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

poor misguided soul:(

― latebloomer, Friday, 9 November 2007 10:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 November 2007 18:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

;_;

― SeekAltRoute, Friday, 9 November 2007 19:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

Someone make a gif of the Viggo thing.

― caek, Friday, 9 November 2007 20:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Okey so there's tickets released on Friday then.

― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.teletext.co.uk/entertainment/music/news/7/MBV+play+gigs+Wow!.aspx

London, Manchester & Glasgow next summer

― nate woolls, Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

kinda surprised there isn't more excitement about this!

― toby, Thursday, 15 November 2007 13:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

i hope some US dates follow.

― toby, Thursday, 15 November 2007 13:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they played Coachella first.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 November 2007 13:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't think my ears could take it now. They barely could at 23.

― Michael Jones, Thursday, 15 November 2007 13:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

????!

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 15 November 2007 13:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm pretty damn excited, i'll be getting roundhouse tickets

― cw, Thursday, 15 November 2007 14:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

if they do cochella i'll hold out hope for an SF date around the same time since Colm still lives up here

― akm, Thursday, 15 November 2007 14:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Unmissable.

― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 15 November 2007 14:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

> I don't think my ears could take it now. They barely could at 23.

i have just bought a nice pair of ear plugs. not sure i could take the boredom of YMMR though...

― koogs, Thursday, 15 November 2007 14:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

So, London NedFAP in June 2008 then?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 November 2007 15:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

Astounding!

I'm pretty much willing to bet April show at Coachella at this point. In which case, I finally go to Coachella and y'all can fly out here instead. As it stands otherwise the lovely weak American dollar and all is giving me pause.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 November 2007 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

if they do cochella i'll hold out hope for an SF date around the same time since Colm still lives up here
-- akm, Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:19 AM (48 minutes ago)

there will definitely be US dates (including SF) but Colm is living in LA at the moment.

― Steve Shasta, Thursday, 15 November 2007 15:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

rumor has it that these will actually be all-acoustic sets

― J0hn D., Thursday, 15 November 2007 16:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

― braveclub, Thursday, 15 November 2007 16:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Man, I would like to Colm rocking the bongos.

― NickB, Thursday, 15 November 2007 16:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

...with Japancakes as backing band

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 15 November 2007 16:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

WAU

― stephen, Thursday, 15 November 2007 16:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

― caek, Thursday, 15 November 2007 16:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

and they haven't changed a bit!

― Mark G, Thursday, 15 November 2007 16:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

seetickets say they will be selling up to four tickets per person, btw.

― caek, Thursday, 15 November 2007 17:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

kshields interviewed by ian sveonius on annoying vice tv:

http://www.vbs.tv/player.php?bctid=1271951667&bccl=Mjg0OTUyNzA0X19FVEM=&r=teaser

― cw, Thursday, 15 November 2007 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

I still see Colm Berkeley once a month. Glad to hear they will be playing out here though. This will actually warrant getting a babysitter, for once

― akm, Thursday, 15 November 2007 17:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

where does ian svenonions get off

― braveclub, Thursday, 15 November 2007 17:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

ian sevonius is hilarious i love his interviews

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 15 November 2007 17:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

What an awful interviewer.

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 November 2007 18:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think the word 'tit' is most appropriate.

― Kaliova, Thursday, 15 November 2007 18:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wot?

― t**t, Thursday, 15 November 2007 19:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

rumor has it that these will actually be all-acoustic sets

this has to be bullshit, surely?

― caek, Thursday, 15 November 2007 19:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

ian sevonius is hilarious i love his interviews

-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 15 November 2007 17:30 (2 hours ago) Link

otm

"Though Shields music transcends language, he was kind enough to use language when he spoke with us"

― latebloomer, Thursday, 15 November 2007 20:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think I would be but I'm unfeasibly excited about this - trying for tickets for London and Glasgow.

― Porkpie, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

A year and a half ago this news would have caused me to start screaming, quite literally -- zOMGGGGGGGG!!!!, etc. Now, though, as there is no possible way I can attend any of these shows... Wait. Maybe I can go to Coachella. Fucking hell. You see, I NEVER GOT TO SEE MBV! So YAAAAAAAAOOOOWWWW!

*cough* As you were.

― xero, Thursday, 15 November 2007 23:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

This morning I found that the line "I worked for a while on a fishing boat right outside of Delacroix" can be sung along to Drive it all over me

― badg, Thursday, 15 November 2007 23:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just got tickets for the Manchester show - would it be poor form to wear my Loveless T-shirt from the last time they toured? It's a bit old and faded, and has a big hole in it - but still...

― Bill A, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Surprise surprise, Seetickets has fallen over. This is like buying Glastonbury tickets all over again.

― Matt DC, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

AND london's sold out

― stevie, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

bugger

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

It had sold out by the time I could get into the website. Ah well.

― Matt DC, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

London show is sold out according to the website, just tried to get 2 tickets.. weirdly I just got an email confirmation addressed to a MR MRCARTNEY saying I had bought 4 tickets to the Manchester show though!

― jonbat, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

My friend tried to buy some and got this message for London:

9:02 Sorry, there has been a problem with your order

Reason - TICKETS HAVE NOW SOLD OUT (TS2) (R1)

x-post: JINX

― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, there has been a problem with your order

Reason - PLEASE CALL 0871 230 0010 TO CHECK ON AVAILABILITY (CTC5) (R1)

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Jonbat - I got exactly the same message as you - Mr McCartney, 4 Manchester tickets... I fear we're out of luck...

― Kaliova, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Haha what a load of cack. I hope this Mr McCartney doesn't end up with thousands of tickets billed to him.

― Matt DC, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tickets going on ebay for mad money.

Touts are fucking cunts aren't they?

― The Wayward Johnny B, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

Utter utter bollocks. I got through at 8.59 but the bloke sent me packing. Impossible to connect their website from then on.

― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

...or their phone line

― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Manchester sold out.

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

eBay sellers... 'I am a power seller'. No you're not. You are vermin and you need to be beaten to death.

― Kaliova, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

maybe they'll do a few nights in the style of the sonic youth daydream nation atp thing?

― cw, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

I just got a ticket for the barrowlands, took about 10 mins to get through. Just got my confirmation email, they better not start playing silly buggers and send me another saying it's sold out.

― leigh, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

I suspect more dates will be announced. Plenty of time - eight days! - between the London and Mcr shows.

― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

There is a rather convenient 1 week gap between London and Manchester I spy.

― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes, the Roundhouse apparently confirmed to someone on DiS over the phone that they were doing two other nights there.

However, I don't care about that because I managed to get tickets for the currently announced Roundhouse show before See fell over. And yes, my confirmation mail is in my own name.

― aldo, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, in the early 21st century it doesn't take a week to get from london to manchester.

― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

Haha.

― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Maybe they're just leaving a big gap between dates just so that they can extend You Made Me Realise for just a bit longer. That'll learn all y'all.

― NickB, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think they played it for like six fucking days the last time round.

― NickB, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Maybe an ATP performance? They're being promoted by ATP concerts...

― Neil S, Friday, 16 November 2007 09:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ticketmaster.co.uk still has Manchester ones, if anyone's interested.

― Alba, Friday, 16 November 2007 10:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

(at least, I got through to the "We're holding these tickets just for you. Please complete this page within 2:00 minutes. After 2:00 minutes, the tickets we're holding will be released for others to buy." page).

― Alba, Friday, 16 November 2007 10:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

i just SEEM to have got tickets for london thru the roundhouse website, payment went through, haven't had confirmation email yet.

― cw, Friday, 16 November 2007 10:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just bought tickets for the Roundhouse.

― Grandpont Genie, Friday, 16 November 2007 10:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

So if you see some bloke outside the roundhouse with a ton of tickets and whistling "ebony and Ivory"....

― Mark G, Friday, 16 November 2007 10:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just been told on the roundhouse website that there are no tickets left

― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 16 November 2007 10:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

I decided I didn't actually want to go *that* much and should probably let a more deserving case have a ticket instead of me.

But it's probably gone to a tout.

― Matt DC, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just bought two for Manchester from Ticketmaster. In the CIRCLE section apparently though.

― jonbat, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

Me too. Will be selling these if there are more London shows and I can get standing tickets.

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

[from atp website just now]

MORE LONDON SHOWS ADDED

The Friday June 20 show sold out lightning fast this morning, so we are pleased to announce that additional shows on Saturday June 21 and Sunday June 22 have now been added. Tickets will be available shortly at www.seetickets.com, www.wegottickets.com, www.gigantic.com and www.roundhouse.org.uk

This speed of this announcement stinks of carefully planned marketing but can you really blame those involved? And do I really want to go that much? I do kind of regret not going to see them at Whitley Bay Ice Rink in 1992.

― myopic_void, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

"shortly"?

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

Maybe they're just leaving a big gap between dates just so that they can extend You Made Me Realise for just a bit longer. That'll learn all y'all.

-- NickB, Friday, 16 November 2007

hahaha.

― pisces, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tickets for the Friday still keep appearing and disappearing on gigantic.com. A part of me is saying 'walk away, don't get involved'.

― myopic_void, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Phone seetickets. They're selling now!

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

For Saturday and Sunday, I mean.

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

Rad. Just got four four London on the Saturday. Anyone want to buy three seated tickets for Manchester? ; )

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

And they are on the website now as well. This is vaguely offensive marketing bullshit. ATP should know better.

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Got mine too. Yes, slightly annoying, but I forgive them now that my needs have been met. Very clever...

― Kaliova, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

People are still pay £200 for London tickets on eBay.

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

is it sold out again? it took my details but then said there was a problem with the order and i can't get thru on the phone

― braveclub, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

They should have booked Knebworth, really!

― Mark G, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Try http://gigantic.com/gigantic/home_my_bloody_valentine.html

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Only Glasgow left!

― Mark G, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

this is doing my head in

― braveclub, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

There are tickets for Sat and Sun on the website in London, but Friday is sold out. However, they are now selling tickets for the Friday on the phone again.

http://www.seetickets.com/see/index.html
0870 389 1846

I suggest everyone relaxes.

― Jamie T Smith, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

However, I'm still umming and ahing as I'm broke and going on holiday tomorrow. Friend bought two for Friday on the phone 2 minutes ago, though, so I'm not lying.

― Jamie T Smith, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

(I have seen them three times anyway, y'know, and the last time wasn't actually that great)

― Jamie T Smith, Friday, 16 November 2007 12:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Loads of tickets on ebay now starting at 99p for the Friday, although some still going for £200.

Hahahahaha

― Jamie T Smith, Friday, 16 November 2007 13:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

eBay ticket touts are scum.

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 16 November 2007 13:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

touting should be illegal, srsly

― braveclub, Friday, 16 November 2007 13:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

I managed to get tix for the Sunday show, in the end, but not before an awful lot of hassle.

― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 16 November 2007 13:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for Gigantic tip, caek. Got two for Glasgow there no bother. July seems an awful way off.

― Alba, Friday, 16 November 2007 14:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

No problem. Thanks to myopic_void for the extra dates heads-up.

― caek, Friday, 16 November 2007 14:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

yes, I'd like to second the thanks for the tip-off about the extra dates - they weren't exactly announced were they? Maybe the notoriously stage-frighted Shields is half-hoping that no one turns up.

― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 16 November 2007 14:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

i picked a bad week to take a break from ILX: knew fuck all about this until very late last thursday night. still: managed to get tix for the second glasgow date, so GET THE FUCK IN!

― grimly fiendish, Monday, 19 November 2007 12:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

they're selling monday tickets for the roundhouse now, just got mine

― braveclub, Monday, 19 November 2007 13:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

So, seeing as how Led Zeppelin have "Stairway" back in the singles chart due to downloads and the reunion gigs, what price "Soon" going in at 39 with a bullet?

― Mark G, Monday, 19 November 2007 13:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh man i'd LOVE that. the EP didn't even go top 75 last time.

― pisces, Monday, 19 November 2007 13:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

29 My Bloody Valentine To Here Knows When Feb 1991

― Mark G, Monday, 19 November 2007 14:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the Tremelo EP charted, but annoyingly didn't get played on Top of the Pops. It would have been great to see whichever Smashy & Nicey were on duty that week having to grin while introducing a 'song' that sounded like someone whirling a hoover round and round their head. I think the Glider EP *was* top 75, but not top 40.

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Monday, 19 November 2007 14:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

41, i think

― cw, Monday, 19 November 2007 14:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tommy Vance did the Sunday rundown on Radio 1 the week Tremolo charted; he said, "Amazing atmosphere on that record," as "To Here Knows When" faded out. Bless him.

― Michael Jones, Monday, 19 November 2007 14:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

glider was #40 on the singles charts in Number One magazine back in the day

― electricsound, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

This appears to be the real thing. I wonder if they will tour outside the UK?

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.co.uk/

― j-rock, Monday, 31 December 2007 06:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

My Bloody Valentine confirmed for:

Roskilde Festival (Denmark)
Benicassim - Festival Internacional de Benicassim (Spain)

and according to Pitchfork:

Øya Festival (Oslo, Norway)

― djmartian, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 22:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

I can just picture Ned booking his tickets now!

― Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

still plenty of time for this record to never come out

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Will wonders cease to never?

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

but which one?

1. Roskilde - the big European festival in Denmark
2. Sunny Benicassim in Spain by the coast and a trip to nearby Barcelona
3. Øya Festival - festival with a growing international reputation in Oslo and a chance to meet up with Geir and ... Ted Parsons?

― djmartian, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ned vs. Geir: Place your bets!

― Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

I can just picture Ned booking his tickets now!

Hardly.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

if this was a freebie all expenses trip ..which festival would you select?

― djmartian, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

US dates announced. http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/50411-my-bloody-valentine-announce-north-american-tour

No info on when tickets go on sale...

― Bill in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 17:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2008/05/atp_ny_tix_back.html

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 17:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

LA and Toronto on sale Friday - http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/1220959

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 18:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Harmonia? Okay, that I didn't expect.

The Lilys inclusion brings the roffles. I hope they force them to do In the Presence of Nothing in full.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 18:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Santa Monica Civic two nights in a row. Who'd've thought. That 1992 Palace show was only about two-thirds full...

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 18:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

MBV and Dinosaur Jr., together again...memories of City Gardens, Trenton, NJ, 1992...(wonder if Deb Googe has fond memories of that awkward grad student who boldly approached her after the show, gulped, nodded and sheepishly slithered away)...

― henry s, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 18:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Someone convince me that the ATP festival is worth it, please. I'm so tempted to say fuck it and buy the tickets, but it's so, so, SO expensive and there aren't THAT many great acts.

― Reatards Unite, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 18:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

And also, is there any place to camp out near the country club or Monticello NY in general? There's no fucking way I can afford the room if I do end up buying tickets.

― Reatards Unite, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 18:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.google.com/

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 18:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

Reatards Unite, buy the tickets. I just got a pair for my girlfriend and myself, no lodging included. You can figure out the lodging details later on. Sure it's a big fucking nostalgia trip, but it's gonna be a blast regardless. Especially for someone like me, who didn't get to see many of these bands back in the '90s.

― stephen, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 19:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

and I mean, Harmonia?? as in the Cluster/Neu/Eno related Harmonia? fuuuuuuck that's incredible.

― stephen, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 19:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ned, are you going to LA?

― stephen, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 19:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Harmonia reunited in 2007 and performed live for the first time since 1976, opening the Worldtronics Festival at the at Haus der Weltkulturen in Berlin, Germany on November 27, 2007.[1][2]

Harmonia will make their first live appearance in the UK on 18th April 2008. They will play on the opening night of the Ether Festival in the Queen Elizabeth Hall at Southbank Centre, London

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 19:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Harmonia. Oh man. This is getting more and more tempting.

Saw tickets were on sale for the LA MBV show. Ticketmaster is charging $48.00 (+ undisclosed "convenience" charge). Kevin Shields needs a new pair of shoes.

― Bill in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 20:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's tempting. I'd really be interested to find out who the other 9 bands are - that could really make it or break it for me. But of course I may not have time for that.

― Reatards Unite, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 20:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh no, I would expect tickets to sell out in a day or two, max.

― stephen, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 20:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

and re: Harmonia, this is basically their second live performance since 1976 ??

― stephen, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 20:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

ah wait, third.

― stephen, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 20:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fuck when does NYC go on sale! I need to set approx. 8 billion reminders.

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 20:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Chicago on sale Saturday - http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/735716

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 20:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Saw tickets were on sale for the LA MBV show. Ticketmaster is charging $48.00 (+ undisclosed "convenience" charge).

About what I would expect. Mmf. Still thinking about this.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 21:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

Chicago is only $38. The problem is that the venue is the Aragon which is an awful place. Poor acoustics, no sight lines. Whatever. Fuck it. I'm there.

― Bill in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 22:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Saw tickets were on sale for the LA MBV show. Ticketmaster is charging $48.00 (+ undisclosed "convenience" charge).

About what I would expect. Mmf. Still thinking about this.

-- Ned Raggett, Tuesday, May 6, 2008 2:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

So all fees included, we're talking $65.00 or so? Also, I haven't been to the SMCC since the mid 90's, but I keep hearing bad things about the sound there.

― Lolpez, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 22:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

eek thats pricey. i suppose its worth it? i hope they can still rock as good as ive heard they did!

― silkworm exploding, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 22:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tickets are not on sale for SMCC yet. I thought I wasn't excited, but I am now.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 22:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm still (surprisingly?) meh. I don't know. Something about this whole thing feels off.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 22:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

hooray for two roseland dates.

― Creeztophair, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 23:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

xpost,

I think it's just the obvious thing of Kevin Shields playing a guitar. I can't imagine a more compelling reason to go out unless it involves Robots in a Pyramid.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 23:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

That should be the inevitable Snakes on a Plane sequel title!

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 23:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Built to Spill perfecting things at Joshua Tree, with Camper Van

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/50445-built-to-spill-line-up-tour-add-pre-atp-iperfecti-show

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 00:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ned, you oughta at least go to one date. Just so you don't regret it afterwards, if everyone says it was out of this world. C'mon!

― stephen, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 03:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ned, get me a ticket for the second L.A. show. If this ends up happening, I'm coming down for that show. I'll paypal you the $$$ this week.

― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 03:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

Chicago roadtrip sounds nice.

― Tape Store, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 03:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also, I haven't been to the SMCC since the mid 90's, but I keep hearing bad things about the sound there.

The Civic is a big old concrete box with SHIT SHIT SHIT sound. Honestly, I thought they stopped booking shows there long ago - like maybe the early 90s or so. Either way, last show I saw there was Joe Strummer touring for Earthquake Weather.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 04:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Honestly, they could combine both shows into the Nokia theater and still sell out.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 04:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Something about this whole thing feels off.

I just wish I knew what we were all getting ourselves into before pulling the trigger on tickets. Apart from Kevin's "we aren't playing Coachella because we wouldn't be ready yet" comment there's been zero. Hell, I'd settle for a single blurry cameraphone clip of a rehearsal.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 04:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

how could this POSSIBLY suck?

― akm, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 04:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Pride goeth.

Mackro and I were talking on the phone just now and yeah, I'll buy tickets and all, but Elvis T. is articulating my thoughts more clearly here.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 05:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

"it's better to regret something you HAVE done than to regret something you HAVEN'T done, and by the way..."

― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 05:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

My Butthole Valentine

And you KNOW that would be brilliant.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 05:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Psychic...Pedalless...Another Band's Sac

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 05:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

OK ya if Gibby and Kevin did a jam I would cross continents and pay many dimes to see that. xpost

― Trayce, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 05:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

how could this POSSIBLY suck?

I don't expect it to suck at all - hell, the only thing that's capable of matching the spindizzy going into these shows is Kevin's attention to detail and that's really the only reason why I'm going. What's nagging me though, especially after the ATP announcement (fuck, why don't they go ahead and just put Butthole Surfers and Pavement on the bill) is the predictability of it all. In other words:

"You Made Me Realize" crowd reaction 1992: "HOLYFUCKINGSHITITSSOLOUDICANTMOVETHINKGAARRAAGGHH"
"You Made Me Realize" crowd reaction 2008: "Dude it's the part where it gets loud and crazy! I'm going to blog about all this via my iPhone. OK, I'm going to go get a beer"

If I want to hear "Loveless," I can pull out the album anytime. What I really want to see live is the crazy intensity that made their shows so infamous back in the day. I'd be much more excited about things if they loaded up on military-grade infrasonics and began the set by announcing "This is a song we stopped working on in 1994" and broke into a half-hour of demolition jungle.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 06:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't want museum exhibits!

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 06:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

^ THIS

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 06:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

This is why I didn't bother seeing the Pixies when they toured last year, though it would appear I was remiss in doing so. So I dunno.

― Trayce, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 06:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah you didn't miss much

― braveclub, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 09:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well, put it this way: I went and saw the Velvet Underground, and I'm glad I did. It was great at the time, but listen back to the tape and it's underwhelming.

Oh, and by the way, they'll be playing the 7" version of "You made me realise"...

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 09:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Now that OM has been announced I'm pretty much ready to buy tickets. Another band I've really wanted to see for a bit.

Anyone know if I would be able to sell my tickets if I absolutely needed to? I'll be in school in September and I'm sure I can take a weekend off but just in the event that I couldn't make it. I know they're being pretty strict on scalping and everything which is understandable.

― Reatards Unite, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 12:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Roseland 9/22 show goes on sale Friday at 10. Ticketing website actually provides an Outlook calendar entry you can download which is all kinds of twisted.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 13:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

and SF is on sale Sun

http://www.livenation.com/artist/getArtist/artistId/16278/

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 14:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

<i>"You Made Me Realize" crowd reaction 1992: "HOLYFUCKINGSHITITSSOLOUDICANTMOVETHINKGAARRAAGGHH"
"You Made Me Realize" crowd reaction 2008: "Dude it's the part where it gets loud and crazy! I'm going to blog about all this via my iPhone. OK, I'm going to go get a beer"</i>

hehehe

I'm definitely (making an attempt at) buying a ticket, but that exactly the thing. They could do that back then and that must have been great, and we're all expecting the same thing now. Whatever they do will be great, but I hope they aren't all stiff. And I hope at Roseland they can blow our brains out with their guitars.

― silkworm exploding, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 14:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Anyone know if I would be able to sell my tickets if I absolutely needed to?

sold out show + craigslist

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 14:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm listening to the Glider EP right now. It sounds really good.

― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 15:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

hah, $52 for Roseland, I'll keep my '92 show memories, I guess.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 15:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

lucky

― silkworm exploding, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 15:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

I understand the skepticism, but the new Portishead album has completely renewed my faith in formerly great bands that vanish for a decade and return better than ever.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 16:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

So, they're remastering the albums too now! I have mixed feelings about there being no extra material... On one hand I can still feel proud to have all of the out of print EPs and make my friends jealous, but on the other hand, having those remastered and put on as bonuses would be nice too...

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/50501-my-bloody-valentine-remaster-ilovelessi-iisnt-anythingi

― jonathan - stl, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 16:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

So, assuming i get a ticket to the L.A. show #2:

Given the huge history of failed promises on MBV's part for the last 17 years, I'm going in assuming this MBV reunion will be like the Black Flag reunion, if this happens.

On the other hand, I'll be visiting momz that 4-day weekend. I'll be seeing a whole bunch of friends at the show I haven't seen in ages coming from all over Southern California. And I don't need a ride from a friend for this. I can bus over there and cab back, thanks to this being in Santa Monica. Shrug.

Elvis OTM all over the place, although as a minor counterpoint, I think it will be cool to see the MBV relic in a 2008 audience, even if it's predictable. People will still have reactions they don't expect to the You Made Me Realise blowout -- *if* they do that song -- *if* they manage to actually execute this tour -- *if* etc. Best case scenario is MBV pulling out stuff they never did before, tho.

I'm more concerned about other details, like no comfirmation of Colm being in this, and the fragility of it all, going back to the failed promises thing.

― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes I just saw Big Dipper after their 15+ year hiatus and they were so tight and absolutely rocked. So its possible!

― silkworm exploding, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 16:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's official - I'm going to ATP NY. Anyone have any idea how many "batches" of tickets they're going to release?

― Reatards Unite, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 17:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

I look forward to the debate on whether the masters are too loud or not. Seems about 50/50 that they will make them sound worse, judging by how these things usually go.

― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 18:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

-- stephen, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 19:12 (Yesterday) Link

do you know what the lodging details aside from staying on site are? I only got the tickets too, and was kind of banking on either camping out as close as possible, or uhhh discreetly finding a way to stick around all 3 days. . .

― Michael_Pemulis, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 23:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

or, of course, the option of finding cute girls who like mbv staying on site and .........

― Michael_Pemulis, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 23:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

do you know what the lodging details aside from staying on site are?

There's about a dozen hotels in Monticello about 10 miles from the festival. Cheap ones are all filled up already. I dunno yet, I think I'm gonna book a hotel just to have *something* reserved, then look for other options in the meantime.

― stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 02:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm either going to camp or try to borrow my mom's SUV and sleep in the back. I simply can't afford a hotel at this point.

― Reatards Unite, Thursday, 8 May 2008 03:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

While the Isn't Anything remaster spans only one disc, the Loveless one comes as a double-disc: the first disc remastered from both DAT (digital audio tape) and analogue tape, and the second remastered from just analogue tape. No needless bonus cuts or anything, just two gems in all their pristine, self-contained glory.

Hmm...

― Mark G, Thursday, 8 May 2008 15:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

How do you remaster from DAT *and* analogue tape?

― Mark G, Thursday, 8 May 2008 15:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

You can't. Remastering is a purely atomic function all done by one guy named Lazlo who lives in a closet in Cal Tech. Now you know.

― Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Everybody wants to remaster the world.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

8th May 2008
LINEUP BREAKDOWN - WHO PICKED WHO!

For those who were interested in how the lineup has been picked, here's a breakdown of the list so far, including details of which bands will play which day.

Friday - Don't Look Back

Built To Spill perform Perfect From Now On
Thurston Moore performs Psychic Heart
Meat Puppets perform Meat Puppets II
Tortoise perform Millions Now Living Will Never Die

Saturday - Curated by ATP

Shellac
Thee Silver Mount Zion Orchestra
Low
Autolux
Fuck Buttons
Edan with guest Dagha
Polvo
The Drones
Growing
Harmonia
Wooden Shjips
Om

Sunday - Curated by My Bloody Valentine

My Bloody Valentine
Dinosaur Jr
Mogwai
Mercury Rev
Yo La Tengo
Lilys

― stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 21:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Here's a bandwagon
Get on in

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

surprise of the year lolz

― Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

For all the talk about this fest being stuck in the '90s... it looks like ATP did a great job selecting a lot of newer stuff (Autolux, Growing, Wooden Shjips, Fuck Buttons, Silver Mt Zion, Drones, Om, Edan) whereas if anyone is truly stuck in the '90s... it's gotta be MBV, sorry.

― stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

You won't see me disagree!

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm assuming MBV is gonna add some more bands to their Sunday lineup, and i'd love to see something current that they're really into. (although in the case of more '90s stuff... i'd really like to see Aphex Twin. or maybe Earth. i dunno.)

― stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

wasn't Kevin a big Birthday Party fan, also? why doesn't he add Nick Cave circa 2008, who's touring this year?

― stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Spiritualized maybe?

― stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

okay i'm done wishing aloud here

― stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

MBV and Aphex Twin are playing together 2 weeks before

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Spiritualized maybe?

Heh, Spiritualized is opening for Nick Cave out here.

― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 8 May 2008 23:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

more bands being added Sunday:

Buffalo Tom
The Charlottes
Cud
Carnival Art
Paris Angels
Mary My Hope
School Of Fish

― Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 8 May 2008 23:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

???

― stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 23:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hey you're so wrong, I don't see Northside on that list.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 May 2008 23:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

Smashing Orange just added.

Northside couldn't get visas worked out.

― Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 8 May 2008 23:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just in: Damon from Swirlies (DJ Set)

― Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 8 May 2008 23:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

you guys

― stephen, Friday, 9 May 2008 06:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

NYC Tickets on sale, in case you forgot and what some.

― call all destroyer, Friday, 9 May 2008 14:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

*want.

― call all destroyer, Friday, 9 May 2008 14:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

I thought tickets were on sale today for LA but now I see it's tomorrow.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 May 2008 14:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Who amongst you is going to the second Manchester night (29th?)

― Thomas, Friday, 9 May 2008 14:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Dammit I just saw that Negative Approach are playing in Camden on the 24th June, but that's the night I'm seeing MBV. How inconsiderate of them.

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 9 May 2008 16:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

I have a ticket for the NYC show on the 22nd. Super pumped, but I better not be let down, Mr. Shields.

― jonathan - stl, Friday, 9 May 2008 16:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Looks like it's mostly the "bands chosen by My Bloody Valentine" left to be announced at ATP - I hope they choose something other than more 90s shoegaze-related bands. Wouldn't be surprised if Sonic Youth played, although I don't care much either way about that.

― Reatards Unite, Friday, 9 May 2008 17:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

O the sight if this was actually an O.G. MBV reunion... meaning the band that recorded This Is Your Bloody Valentine. surprise buttsecks.

― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 9 May 2008 18:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

hahahahaha

― stephen, Friday, 9 May 2008 18:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

― stephen, Friday, 9 May 2008 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

Here's a bandwagon
Get on in

-- Ned Raggett, Thursday, May 8, 2008 3:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I would, if Norman Blake and Gerry Love were driving.

― felicity, Friday, 9 May 2008 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

Opening act for LA...Calvin Harris. Huh.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 May 2008 18:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

― tylerw, Friday, 9 May 2008 19:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

hmm
http://yolatengo.com/marquee11.html

― tylerw, Friday, 9 May 2008 19:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

just got mbv tix for the wednesday santa monica show!

― get bent, Saturday, 10 May 2008 17:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

Got tickets for Chicago. Curious to see who the opening act will be.

Have I mentioned how much I hate Ticket Master?

― Bill in Chicago, Saturday, 10 May 2008 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

ME TOO

plus, i hate that the base price is $48. :-(

― get bent, Saturday, 10 May 2008 17:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the price approached my personal no go limit. (Any nonfestival show at fifty and up base price = to heck with it.)

But anyway, Mackro and I got tickets for Thursday. The last show...again!

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 May 2008 17:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Any nonfestival show at fifty and up base price = to heck with it.

but Ned, wha'bout The Cure this summer?

― stephen, Saturday, 10 May 2008 21:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

just got mbv tix for the wednesday santa monica show!

-- get bent, Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:04 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Me too. We'll celebrate Rosh Hashana in style!

― felicity, Saturday, 10 May 2008 21:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

wooo, Chicago. Time to look at the Amtrak schedule

― milo z, Saturday, 10 May 2008 22:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ended up with Thursday night tickets here

― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 11 May 2008 06:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

i would pay big $$$$ to see the dave conway lineup reform

― electricsound, Sunday, 11 May 2008 06:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

I got tickets for the Toronto show! Not sure who is opening though.

― j-rock, Sunday, 11 May 2008 16:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Beautiful South

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 May 2008 16:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm sorry, I meant Moxy Fruvous

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 May 2008 16:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

got SF tickets. AT $122 for a pair it better kick my ass. but since I only go to like four shows a year these days I guess I can deal.

― akm, Sunday, 11 May 2008 17:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sean O'Hagan in the Guardian, yesterday. Some interesting bits.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 May 2008 17:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

15th May 2008
NEW ADDITION: LE VOLUME COURBE

The latest artist to be picked by My Bloody Valentine are the London based group Le Volume Courbe. Check out the lineup page for a biography.

― stephen, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

nice to see that they/she are still a band

― akm, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

they're doing warm-up gigs at the ICA this weekend. tickets sold out this morning...

― braveclub, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 09:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

In recent ATP New York news...

10th June 2008
NEW ADDITION: APSE
The latest addition to the September 20th lineup curated by ATP are Newtown, Connecticut's APSE.
Apse are set to re-issue their stunning Spirit LP on our own ATP Recordings label very soon, and we're pleased to be able to bring such a great band to the New York festival.

― stephen, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 00:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

So any word on who is actually in the lineup of the band?

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 00:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Kevin Shields & most of the members of Gene

― J0hn D., Wednesday, 11 June 2008 00:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Shieldsy and the bassist from reformed texas band called Complete.
Additional guitar is going to be a sweet contribution from the original axe slayer from Pillsbury Hardcore.
Ringo is on drummings

― Fer Ark, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 01:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Kevin Shields & most of the members of Gene

"Sleep well tonight
For tomorrow we die
At the hands of Ned
Oh fuck."

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 01:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone that's going to the Glasgow gigs received their tickets yet? They're cutting it pretty fine.

― leigh, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 08:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hey, Leigh, which night are you going to?

(cannot help re ticket arrival as someone else is getting mine for me, but can find out, I guess)

― ailsa, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 08:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to the first night on 2nd July.

― leigh, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ah, there's a crowd of us going on the 3rd. Still no idea if my tickets have materialised either.

― ailsa, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

This whole tour has become some sort of action/thriller movie.

(lol irony, given the movie of the same name as the band)

― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 17:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

The line up is: Kevin, Bilinda, Deb and Colm.

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 17:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Shieldsy and the bassist from reformed texas band called Complete.

dream line-up

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 17:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

So Colm really is on board, Steve? Interesting!

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 17:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wanna go!

― Creeztophair, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 19:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Where was it ever implied that Colm was not on board?

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 19:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Quite honestly I was under the impression you said he wasn't, but my brain is notoriously soft these days.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 19:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

someone here said he may not be but it seemed baseless speculation based on his living in the US

― akm, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 20:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Noooooooooo, someone said he was living in the bay area but that wasn't true at that moment as he was in LA. But he's definitely playing the drums for MBV.

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 20:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Clarity and thanks. Well, that's good then!

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 20:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

well that was good. it sounded like a cross between elephants and planes.

― schlump, Friday, 13 June 2008 23:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wondered if someone on here went tonight. So...?

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 13 June 2008 23:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yay elephants and planes!

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 June 2008 23:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, setlist or whatever?

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 June 2008 23:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

setlist here if you wanna ruin the surprise. i would heartily endorse waiting for the added thrill of omg they're playing ___.

also, none of them have aged.

― schlump, Friday, 13 June 2008 23:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

I peeked. Mainly wondered if they'd play any of the pre-YMMR stuff, doubted they would but y'know. I've been out tonight so probably won't remember the setlist tomorrow anyway. What was that about blackouts?

― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

i have no idea what blackouts are/were/refers to but they didn't seem to figure? it was pretty great ... i forgot what a super thrashy guitar band they are. so sweet on uhhh the fifth song, too.

― schlump, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

sup

― Steve Shasta, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh never mind, I was making an oblique reference to an ILE thread from a few days. xpost

SPOILERZ :D

― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh god, that is a monster set! Although, pretty much any combination of songs from anything after Ecstasy and Wine would make me say that.

― Z S, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, figures -- it's almost the same setlist as last time around, just reordered.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

"So this is the third leg of the Loveless tour..."

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

i thought of this whenever someone hit me in the face with a camera

it was at the ica, which is a nice cultural events venue in london, and the crowd were pretty snappily dressed. that's not a bad thing or anything, it's just like the jamc thing of the audience being pretty different.

― schlump, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh god, that is a monster set! Although, pretty much any combination of songs from anything after Ecstasy and Wine would make me say that.

THIS ^^^^^^

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

( i wonder if they're gonna do the same setlist the whole tour? did they switch it up in 1991-92 ? )

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

interesting they're playing 4 of 5 tracks from the YMMR EP. and only 5 out of 11 songs from Loveless (two of which overlap with EPs prior). no "Sometimes" is surprising to me. ah well, great show anyway i'm sure.

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

i especially miss "Loomer" and "Come In Alone" on the setlist there

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

might i add before i stop posting: i'm burning this setlist to a CDR right now. gotta listen to it sequenced properly. will report back soon. (anyone else doing the same?)

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

((( six tracks from Loveless it looks like, not five, sorry )))

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 00:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'd love to hear "What You Want", bootlegged. If this ever happens, please notify me here. I don't need the link, I'll find that myself.

― Z S, Saturday, 14 June 2008 02:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also, if anyone can bring over a new bag of coffee, I'd appreciate it, I'm running low. Thanks guys.

― Z S, Saturday, 14 June 2008 02:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

The only notable difference is a little less Isn't Anything than in 91-92, but that's made up for in the EP B-sides.

Well, at least the wondering is over, for better or worse.

― Mackro Mackro, Saturday, 14 June 2008 02:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

And glad to see that they kept "Honey Power"... the song that should have been on Loveless and a hit but wasn't... sorta.

― Mackro Mackro, Saturday, 14 June 2008 02:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Honey Power" roooooooolz

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 03:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

so how long do i have to wait for a boot of this gig

― electricsound, Saturday, 14 June 2008 04:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

glad to see they haven't done anything productive in 16 years!

― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 14 June 2008 05:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

one word, Curt1s:

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 05:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

CHINCHILLAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 05:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHy2nHirO04

― Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 14 June 2008 09:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

would have liked to have seen Drive it all over me on there, otherwise - all good

― Porkpie, Saturday, 14 June 2008 12:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

That video sounds like it was so fucking loud.

― jonathan - stl, Saturday, 14 June 2008 16:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

my bloody valentine - 13 6 08 ICA only shallow

my bloody valentine - when you sleep, london 13 june 2008

― stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 16:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Viewing and hearing these clips, I noticed that the sound limitations that go with the convenience of people being able to upload live snapshots to YouTube (i.e. something no one even thought was possible in the future in '91/'92) is thwarted, seemingly, by the volume of the show -- which ironically STILL preserves the mystery of what the live show will be like, as far as the acoustics go. I gotta give MBV that much, whether they knew this or not.

― Mackro Mackro, Saturday, 14 June 2008 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

would have liked to have seen Drive it all over me on there, otherwise - all good

exactly.

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 14 June 2008 21:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 14 June 2008 21:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 14 June 2008 21:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 14 June 2008 21:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KI5QV96A
mp3 of the show

― milo z, Saturday, 14 June 2008 22:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

they kind of got it together a lot more for the second show; the sound better, them playing together more on the loveless stuff, a couple of different songs (c'mon, just wait and be surprised). it wasn't as loud but was twice as heavy, which reminds me of some old ks interview where he's explaining the difference, being able to feel some kind of heaviness-es rather than just hear volume. totally mindblowing and stuff, anyhow. those pictures are nice.

― schlump, Saturday, 14 June 2008 23:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

it wasn't as loud but was twice as heavy, which reminds me of some old ks interview where he's explaining the difference, being able to feel some kind of heaviness-es rather than just hear volume.

I wouldn't know anything about that. (Scroll down to me asking about their shows in 1992 at the Roxy and the Palace.)

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 June 2008 00:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh, ha-ha. silly me. i'd thought it was from the one where he was answering a question about whether they'd support oasis if they were asked, and the answer was purely about it being conditional on the soundsystem. i hope someone good gets to interview them again, soon. did you ever see that sixty minutes interview with dylan where the guy just kept asking 'but HOW? did you WRITE? that SONG?!' about blowin' in the wind, or something?, all reverant and mired in myth? it'd be cool if they were freed from the standard journalistic hazy-dreampop-ephemeral-sensuous vibe, and someone mentioned the joys of kevin's voice/colm's snare-drum abuse, &c. the loveless book's fantastic, but all the other stuff i've seen's just really tired echoing.

― schlump, Sunday, 15 June 2008 00:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

I really should say that for all I know that's a standard answer of his. I've hardly done the definitive interview! (Mike McGonigal did, if anyone has.)

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 June 2008 00:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

ah, wow, that interview's fantastic. everyone ought to read it for topical contextualisation. the difference tonight was really interesting; last night they sounded like a really guitarry garage band, with stupidly painful guitar noise, and then tonight it was much warmer, and fuller; not really abrasive or even loud, in a way. getting it to be a 'bodily' thing is pretty difficult, i think. there's that jim dickinson quote about live music being 'pushing air around', and the difference between last night and this evening was that the former was like looking at something (kind of like listening to a cd, where it just hangs around on the floor), the latter like feeling it (like a record!, which fills up the room).

― schlump, Sunday, 15 June 2008 01:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh, i don't know; i remember reading all of those interviews when the guy put the site up, i don't think i came across it anywhere else, and it seemingly stuck in my head ...
that you also elicited him talking about the band just being the three of them's really cool too. i remember the mike interview having the bit where he says/reveals that, bar touched & bilinda's vocals, he's the only musician actually playing on loveless, which seemed really revelatory. i think i like that book as much for the digressions* as the info, but it's great info.

* by some twist of fate, i had to return my ticket for a screening of tony conrad's the flicker to attend the ica show, something the book references at some point.

― schlump, Sunday, 15 June 2008 01:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thanks much for the kind words! That interview was done so long ago that there are many things about it I would have done in a different fashion, but it's a nice historical reference point at least.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 June 2008 01:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

for sure. i saw a great documentary about andy goldsworthy once, and he's a really endearing guy, he sort of talks in questions, pretty satisfied to be puzzling stuff over rather than answering it, and, not that i think ks is necessarily like that, but there's a lot of interesting stuff that comes up in interviews because of his thoughts; there's a bit in the loveless book where he says that a slight deviation or distortion of something - like francis bacon's variations on the human form - is freakier & more unnerving than something entirely alien and totally spooky like a jellyfish, and that their music has the same value.

about doing things differently, i saw him at a brian wilson show once, and was so determined not to add to the chorus of gangly kevin fans shouting about loveless saving their life that i went up and said i hoped he was doing o k. ahh. it is really nice that they're playing again, anyhow.

― schlump, Sunday, 15 June 2008 01:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

was so determined not to add to the chorus of gangly kevin fans shouting about loveless saving their life

Hey! :-D

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 June 2008 01:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

The 13th Gig has gone up on D1m£ad0z£n for all those MP3 haters. Supposed to be very good quality too, I expect the 14th will go up soonish.

― MaresNest, Sunday, 15 June 2008 11:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

there's a bit in the loveless book where he says that a slight deviation or distortion of something - like francis bacon's variations on the human form - is freakier & more unnerving than something entirely alien and totally spooky like a jellyfish, and that their music has the same value.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

― Bodrick III, Sunday, 15 June 2008 11:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone that's going to the Glasgow gigs received their tickets yet? They're cutting it pretty fine

no, i've not ... the e-mail says only to worry if you've not had them a week before the gig :/

― grimly fiendish, Sunday, 15 June 2008 11:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

Glasgow ticket site was so shonky a mate of mine phoned up from Sydney just to be able to book!

― energy flash gordon, Monday, 16 June 2008 01:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

My Bloody Valentine @ ICA, London - You Made Me Realise 13/6

90 seconds of dense, suffocating feedback with Kevin's guitar sounding like a jet engine over the top :O

― stephen, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 01:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

quite a short version then.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 08:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh no, it was a 90 second clip of a ~25 minute rendition.

― stephen, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 20:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

From the video description:

90 seconds of LOUD NOISE from the middle of 'You Made Me Realise', the show's closer. I wasn't prepared to film all 30 minutes of it, so here's a taster.
You can vaguely hear Kevin Shield's guitar divebombing halfway through - he was using a Digitech whammy pedal. You can really hear the harmonics of his vintage Jaguar coming through.

― stephen, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 20:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha that last clip is total destruction

― sleep, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 20:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

they should play no fun fest 2009 imo xD

― sleep, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 20:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

he was using a Digitech whammy pedal. You can really hear the harmonics of his vintage Jaguar coming through.

It's a Jazzmaster, not a Jaguar

― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not in this case dawg:

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 21:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

So he's using two guitars

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

This just in from Sonic Boom...

Just to let you know Spectrum - the full band - doing the highs, lows and heavenly blows of my career, will be playing with MBV at the Roundhouse this weekend and in Manchester next weekend.
The London shows are already sold out, but if you've got a ticket come along early to see us play.
The MBV support dates are:
Saturday 21st Sept - The Roundhouse
Saturday 28th Sept - Manchester Apollo
Sunday 29th Sept - Manchester Apollo

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 19:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

and as fast I as reposted...

CORRECTION: MBV SUPPORT DATES ARE OF COURSE JUNE

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 20:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

yessss Spectrum! hopefully dude shows up at ATP New York as well, i'd love to see him again.

― stephen, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 21:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

yessss Spectrum! hopefully dude shows up at ATP New York as well, i'd love to see him again.

Confirmed! New message from Sonic...

21st September - ATP New York - Spectrum performing with MBV, Mogwai and many others

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 21:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not supporting in Glasgow?

― ailsa, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 21:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

fucking fucking fucking cunts! that would rock so motherfucking hard :(

come on, boom, you skag-addled bowlcut motherfucker. pull your finger out and come up here.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 22:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

^ what I was thinking, but was too polite to post ^

― ailsa, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 22:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

you can always rely on me for an ill-judged bout of frenzied swearing.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 22:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

watching MBV on youtube does not prove their point at all

― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 22:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

Confirmed! New message from Sonic...
21st September - ATP New York - Spectrum performing with MBV, Mogwai and many others

Well fuck me fucking sideways...

― stephen, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 23:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha even australia got to see sonic boom recently. take that glasgow!

― electricsound, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 23:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think Sonic Boom played here last year. Grimly is just being typically melodramatic.

― Alba, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 23:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

Reissues delayed again!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/06/19/bmvalentine119.xml

― CharlieNo4, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Weren't Ant and Dec available?

― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

Re: Sonic/MBV - Maybe we'll be treated to some epic-length E.A.R. jamz w/ Kev guitar noodling!

― Pillbox, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

That would be such a surprising and radical thing for Kev to do.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

as opposed to, you know, reuniting MBV after a decade and a half.

― stephen, Thursday, 19 June 2008 19:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

Seeing them tonight in Camden :-)

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 20 June 2008 07:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, seems really odd saying "I'm going to see MBV tonight."

― aldo, Friday, 20 June 2008 08:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

the oddest thing is listening to mbv on heavy rotation in anticipation of seeing them. its pretty much exactly half a lifetime since i last saw them.

― cw, Friday, 20 June 2008 09:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

i see we get le volume courbe instead of spectrum tonight though....

― cw, Friday, 20 June 2008 09:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

apparently we're getting graham coxon on monday?!

― braveclub, Friday, 20 June 2008 10:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

the oddest thing is listening to mbv on heavy rotation in anticipation of seeing them

Those EPs are stunning.

― Venga, Friday, 20 June 2008 10:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Right, so when the 2CD "Loveless" with lovely sleevenotes does come out, will it get to number one in a "Travelling Wilburys" kind of way?

― Mark G, Friday, 20 June 2008 10:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

i've got free tickets for tonight but i'm not sure i can be bothered

― DG, Friday, 20 June 2008 12:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

what are you, kevin shields or something?

― grimly fiendish, Friday, 20 June 2008 12:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh no my cover is blown

― DG, Friday, 20 June 2008 12:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Grouty xpost: well, Pacific Ocean Blue is number eight in the album midweeks so who knows?

― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 20 June 2008 12:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

really? nice one.

You know, a few years ago you'd get reissue albums do well chartwise, e.g. the Virgin reissue of "My Generation"

When the deluxe issue came out, a much better package (the Virgin one was excellent too), it did not register.

― Mark G, Friday, 20 June 2008 12:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Who is Tuesday support band?

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 20 June 2008 14:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Wurzels

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 20 June 2008 14:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

with their version of "to 'ere knows when!"

― Mark G, Friday, 20 June 2008 14:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Kiss Yr fear, (oo arr oo arr)
Your red button Falls from my mouth

Slip Yr dress (oo arr oo arr)
Over yr 'ead, Its been so long

To 'ere knows when, arr,
To 'ere knows when, arr...

― Mark G, Friday, 20 June 2008 14:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

(banjo solo)

― Mark G, Friday, 20 June 2008 14:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

It was a bit unusual, but we all loved it.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 20 June 2008 14:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

actually Dale's now come up with an alternative stock expression for not liking/playing a record: "they were a strange lot, weren't they?" (cf. Sigue Sigue Sputnik last Sunday).

― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 20 June 2008 14:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

I am semi-deaf and have a hideous ringing in my ears. They started off quite noisy, but seemed to keep cranking up the volume as the set went on. I forced my way into the jumping pack of loons at the front for Soon and Feed Me With Your Kiss, but You Made Me Realise (which they finished with, obviously) was just plain nasty.

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 20 June 2008 23:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not the most stunning image, I'll grant you, but it'll do after a more than 16 year wait.

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

that's all I can hear

― Porkpie, Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.flickr.com/photos/captainzep/2596726106/

Not sure if those links will work, but there's a few seconds' worth of low-quality phone video footage of 'No More Sorry' and the 'holocaust' bit of 'You Made Me Realise' (with an extremely brief cameo by me).

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

I am an idiot who posted the same link twice.
this is the footage of You Made Me Realise
I am going to attempt to crash and hope that the 'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee' which is afflicting porkpie too turns out to be temporary.

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

judging by that fooytage, you were abiut 20 feet from us!

that eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee really isn't going away

― Porkpie, Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

oops bad typage

― Porkpie, Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

I am an idiot who posted the same link twice
...erm, and got the name of the song wrong as well. It's 'Lose My Breath'.

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 21 June 2008 07:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Britishers: any variations on the setlist (from the 13th, posted above) tonight, other than "no more sorry?"

"Come in Alone" perhaps?

― Pillbox, Saturday, 21 June 2008 08:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

They didn't play 'No More Sorry'. I was shellshocked/drunk and just thought 'first side of Isnt't Anything, female vocals, slow one...' and got the wrong name.

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 21 June 2008 08:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

I still can't believe folks are posting about FUCKING MY BLOODY VALENTINE SHOWS!!! Good times, these.

― Pillbox, Saturday, 21 June 2008 08:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

got my glasgow tickets this morning. get the fuck in.

i might take earplugs, just in case. whaddya think, people who've seen the show? sensible precaution or just plain wussy?

― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 21 June 2008 11:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Who is Tuesday support band?

Sonic Boom again, apparently.
Just talking to someone who was at the Roundhouse last night, he told me they were handing out earplugs? Apparently it's advisable for the noise meltdown at the end.

― Matt #2, Saturday, 21 June 2008 12:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, there were free ear plugs available, which I foolishly didn't take advantage of. I still feel a bit deaf in one ear.

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 21 June 2008 12:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD!!!!

That was transcendant...

Sorry, but to anyone who just plain IGNORED the signs everywhere saying WARNING EXTREME NOISE AND STROBES, FREE EARPLUGS AVAILABLE ON REQUEST and didn't take advantage, I'm sorry, but you are just plain stupid and deserve to have hearing damage. Did you think they were kidding?

I got special wax earplugs for comfort and was very glad of them. I took them out during You Made Me Realise just to see what it was like, and lasted a second and a half. You're not supposed to listen to that song, you're just supposed to *feel* it. It's just a total body experience, I swear to god, I felt it in my bones.

really pissed off about the support band situation. Le Volume Corbe are just the most mediocre band I've seen in years. Excruciating. And to hear that Spectrum are supporting tonight! Argh! Especially as there was a rumour going round that it was that whole 2/3 of Spacemen 3 thing with Will playing with them - NO, THAT IS FALSE. Had to phone him to check, but no, he's on tour with the BJM in Denmark. It's just Sonic Boom tomorrow. (Dont' know who his current band is.)

But wow. It was well worth the 15 year wait. Lose My Breath! Thorn! SLOW!!!! OMFG!!!!! We were lucky, though, we had front row seats on Bilinda's side. So grateful for that.

― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 21 June 2008 12:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

To repeat: YOU ARE NOT WUSSY TO USE EARPLUGS. YOU MADE ME REALISE IS *DESIGNED* TO BE EXERPERIENCED WITH EARPLUGS. It's about the physical feeling, not the sound.

― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 21 June 2008 12:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

(P.s. I saw Carsmile Steve and Ricky T and Cabbage downstairs but had no way of getting their attention save throwing my earplugs at them.)

― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 21 June 2008 12:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

heh. thanks, kate: your advice is appreciated. wire pretty much deafened me for a day a few years back (my own fault for standing right in front of a stack) and ever since then i've been a little more aware of the damage i could be doing to my ears.

― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 21 June 2008 15:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

grimly, do you know anyone who can take my pair of 3 july barrowlands tix off my hands? i can't make it up to glasgow anymore (but don't panic, i'm seeing mbv in london on tuesday!)

― CharlieNo4, Saturday, 21 June 2008 15:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Those struggling with ear damage may wish to go see this guy instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y2WFH3KtUY

― Mister Craig, Saturday, 21 June 2008 16:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'll ask around and see -- don't think it'll be too difficult. can't promise anything, natch.

bugger: didn't know you were planning on coming up. would have been good to meet/drink.

that's a point, actually: who's going to the july 3 show? i'm off all day (yay for my new part-time position!) so will be up for FAPery etc, pre- and post-gig.

― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 21 June 2008 16:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost, natch. sorry.

― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 21 June 2008 16:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

thank you sir. 30 squids each innit x

― CharlieNo4, Saturday, 21 June 2008 16:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

also: another mate has one spare ticket for the july 2 gig in glasgow, if anyone's interested. e-mail me.

― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 21 June 2008 17:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

They ran out of earplugs at the merch stand last night, although we arrived there just before the band started. I'll take my Etymotics to the other gigs I think, although I haven't felt any ill-effects from last night (this isn't a good sign. Really should get my hearing checked out).

and further to the guitar confusion above: on YMMR Kevin played a Jazzmaster. Bilinda has some beautiful Mustangs.

That was everything I wanted it to be. Manchester and Glasgow to come, although I fancy another night at the Roundhouse..

― Bocken Social Scene, Saturday, 21 June 2008 18:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

wire pretty much deafened me for a day a few years back (my own fault for standing right in front of a stack) and ever since then i've been a little more aware of the damage i could be doing to my ears.

The same thing happened to me at a J Mascis gig a few years ago. My head felt like it was in a fishbowl for three days. I've worn plugs to (almost) every gig I've been to ever since, and I actually enjoy shows more now, since the plugs cut out a lot of the distortion from shitty PAs.

― MacDara, Saturday, 21 June 2008 19:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the live reports everyone, I seriously cannot fucking wait for ATP New York

― stephen, Sunday, 22 June 2008 02:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Roundhouse setlist from 6/20, Friday night:

Only shallow
When you sleep
You never should
(When you wake) you're still in a dream
Lose my breath
I only said
Come in alone
Thorn
Nothing much to lose
To here knows when
Slow
Blown a wish
Soon
Feed me with your kiss
Sueisfine
You made me realise / 15+ mins of noisy feedback

― stephen, Sunday, 22 June 2008 03:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

(Dont' know who his current band is.)

sonic's current group is like a bitesize budget spacemen 3; there's a guy playing jason-esque will the circle be unbroken esque tremolo and guitar noise, but it's kind of sub-spacemen-3 instead of sub-staple-singers. the setlist's all? s3 stuff, i think, but no fun, maybe apart from when tomorrow hits. uhh.

― schlump, Sunday, 22 June 2008 08:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

setlist's all? s3 stuff, i think, but no fun

...last time I saw Sonic he did a cover of Kraftwerk's "Hall of Mirrors" which wasn't half bad...

― stephen, Sunday, 22 June 2008 09:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

>>...last time I saw Sonic he did a cover of Kraftwerk's "Hall of Mirrors" which wasn't half bad...

I saw Mr Boom do this too, & he's right. It was *all* bad ho ho...

― harveyw, Sunday, 22 June 2008 09:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

har har har.

― stephen, Sunday, 22 June 2008 17:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

YOU ARE NOT WUSSY TO USE EARPLUGS.

Not at all. Fifteen years ago, they were the loudest show I've ever seen and still hold that title.

I can't wait!

― Bill in Chicago, Monday, 23 June 2008 02:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is this worth $100?

― Tape Store, Monday, 23 June 2008 02:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

I got my ticket for the July 2nd gig on Saturday thankfully - looks like I'm going to be nancy nae pals that night. I've got some squishy foam ear plugs but I dunno if I should get something more substantial. Might have to give the fully YMMR a miss in order to get the last bus back to Edinburgh.

― leigh, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not as loud as the Swans in 86, but my ears are certainly ringing still after last night's gig.

― Daniel Giraffe, Monday, 23 June 2008 09:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

I used squishy foam ones from Boots and they were fine, but don't think of going without any. It was quite fun removing them for a few seconds during You Made Me Realise and suddenly hearing the violent higher registers - like being shot in the ear with broken glass. When you pop them back in it sounds weirdly comforting again.

― Dorianlynskey, Monday, 23 June 2008 09:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I wore plugs throughout, and my ears are still ringing. Pretty amazing show though.

― Neil S, Monday, 23 June 2008 10:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to see them in Paris, july 9th, I'm psyched! I wrote down earplugs at the top of my to-do list, thanks for that.

Do they sell merchandise at the concerts?

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 June 2008 10:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Very overpriced t-shirts, £23 for a standard one IIRC.

― Neil S, Monday, 23 June 2008 10:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Earplugs were handed out at the entrance. I opted not to take them, but they're there for those that want.

― Daniel Giraffe, Monday, 23 June 2008 10:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Gah! So no nice (tour-)poster or anything? I can keep the money in my pocket then.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 June 2008 10:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not that I saw, must admit I examined the merch in passing only though...

― Neil S, Monday, 23 June 2008 10:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Didn't see earplugs at the entrance to the Roundhouse, and when we went upstairs they'd ran out at the merch desk (I didn't examine the offerings myself). loads of crap tshirts outside, if that's what you want.

I forgot my plugs, but I didn't have any ringing. My ability to listen to conversations over any sort of background noise seems to be worse than usual though. I'll take my plugs to the other gigs, I reckon.

― Bocken Social Scene, Monday, 23 June 2008 10:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Very overpriced t-shirts, £23 for a standard one IIRC.

The Mary Chain stung (admittedly drunk and malleable) me with similar pricing at the Brixton shows last year.

I'm taking plugs tomorrow for defs - I'm worried anought about encroaching tinnitus/random daytime distortion as it is.

No takers for my two 3 Jul Barrowlands spares then?

― CharlieNo4, Monday, 23 June 2008 11:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

anought = enough

― CharlieNo4, Monday, 23 June 2008 11:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

sorry, charlie: nobody's bitten yet. or for the (single) ticket for the 2nd, either. i asked a couple of people but they'd either decided not to go at all (bah) or got sorted elsewhere.

i'm back at work (in my NEW, IMPROVED PART-TIME ROLE, woo) on wednesday so will ask about there too.

― grimly fiendish, Monday, 23 June 2008 11:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Are any of the Glasgow Ilxors going on July 2nd?

― leigh, Monday, 23 June 2008 12:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Loveless and Isn't anything CDs have been put back to 14th July now.

― Mark G, Monday, 23 June 2008 12:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Tom E's review for PF:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/51442-live-my-bloody-valentine

― Jeff W, Monday, 23 June 2008 13:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm hearing September now; someone on the MBV.net forums who claims to have been backstage on Friday got the same prediction from Shields.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Monday, 23 June 2008 13:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Did he specify which September?

― Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 23 June 2008 14:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

The earth wind and fire one.

― Mark G, Monday, 23 June 2008 14:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well, the discs exist at least. Quite what's going to delay their release further isn't clear.

For those that care, "Only Shallow" is around 2-2.5dB louder, but no squashing of peaks (it never peaked higher than -4dB on the 1991 CD anyway). The Disc 2 remaster (from analogue tape, apparently) is a smidgen louder than the Disc 1 remaster and sounds richer, better separated.

Does that count as a spoiler? It's only a reissue.

― Michael Jones, Monday, 23 June 2008 14:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Going tonight, but I've just found out someone can't come, so I have a spare ticket.

Anyone?

― Jamie T Smith, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah,they were LOUD. We didn't use the earplugs cos we were kinda at the back, 6 metres in though.. woah! Loved it, loved the visuals too.

― mmmm, Monday, 23 June 2008 23:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost to MJones:

I wonder how it compares to the original minidisc version.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 12:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Went last night, same as mmmm above I was standing fairly nearly the back so I didn't use the earplugs, I'm not too deaf today though. I guess cos the venue's pretty massive, I usually get more ringing in my ears than this after gigs in smaller venues.

Spectrum only played 4 songs, and were a bit under-rehearsed. At least there wasn't any Speak'n'Spell noodling though.

Tried to sell my wife's ticket as she's sick and couldn't make it, tout offered me 2 quid for it, I said c'mon I can't even buy a beer for that and walked off, he called me a cunt and a wanker, then got his cock out and started pissing in the middle of the street right in front of the venue. GG Allin's not dead! He's a Camden ticket tout!

― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 09:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I had read somewhere the touts have taken a total rinsing on this. Apparently tickets can be had at any of the local boozers for about a tenner on the night.

― aldo, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 09:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

True, but because of the way they announced the gigs (pretty much one day at a time for London), a lot of people I know have tickets for Manchester and Glasgow when they could easily have gone to 2 or 3 nights at the Roundhouse, and just can't give away tickets to the other cities, or they've made travel arrangements and such.

― Bocken Social Scene, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 09:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I have a friend in Brighton who's going to the Manchester gig because of that. Stupid promoters.

― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 09:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

I went last Friday ('cos a friend managed to get a pair of tickets for me on the day they went on sale), but my girlfriend and I had already bought tickets for saturday in Manchester (not a massive problem, I used to live there and haven't seen a lot of friends in a while), and the Wednesday in Glasgow, which is going to be a mini-holiday of sorts, albeit I don't really know anyone up there. Barrowlands is a sweet venue though, and I'm getting very excited (and probably building myself up for a big disappointment) by the support rumours (Teenage Fanclub or Mogwai maybe?), and I have leave to use up, and I got fairly cheap train tickets, so it's not a total disaster.

― Bocken Social Scene, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 10:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

albeit I don't really know anyone up there

we're all great and friendly ... i'm out and about elsewhere on wednesday night (am going to MBV on thursday because i was slow off the mark getting tickets) but if you're in town early evening and fancy a pint, let us know. (or post on try glasgow more and see if anyone else is up for it.)

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 10:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

how worthwhile is a purchase of the 'remaster' then?

― mr x, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 10:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

Pastels confirmed (well, it's on their myspace anyway) as wednesday night support.

― Bocken Social Scene, Friday, 27 June 2008 00:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh, be still my beating heart :(

― grimly fiendish, Friday, 27 June 2008 09:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

the 'holocaust' bit at the show on the 20th was like an avalanche fucking an earthquake.

― cb, Friday, 27 June 2008 15:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

like an avalanche fucking an earthquake.

oh my god that is the best description ever.

― stephen, Saturday, 28 June 2008 03:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Do NOT use those squishy plugs pictured upthread. I had to have half of one extracted from damn near my middle ear, and they aren't that effective to start with. Flents Quiet Please! Foam (Latex Free) Plugs are much better for most uses, incl. earripping blockbuster movies, but they wouldn't work for live MBV; see if there isn't still a thread or two at least still to be resurrected on ILE, where they talk about some good, sometimes professional-use earplugs, like for airhammer operators.

― dow, Sunday, 29 June 2008 03:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't get ebay. 19 hours left and someone ups the bid from $52 to $100. Is that secretly the seller or something?

― Tape Store, Sunday, 29 June 2008 21:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

Went to the Manchester show last night and it was pretty much everything that could possibly be hoped for. I saw them on the Isn't Anything and Loveless tours all those years ago and whilst they were (obviously) ace they were pretty ramshackle compared to the, frankly, fucking gorgeous noise machine they are now. I wonder if PA and mixing technology has finally caught up with what they were trying to do back then? 'Cause last night was loud as all hell but still managed to bring out all the beauty and subtlety in the songs (To Here Knows When was a real highpoint). From a fanboy viewpoint it looked like Kevin was playing some of the high melody lines (eg. I Only Said),which they had the flautist for last time out, on his guitar. They managed to play the "middle eight" of YMMR for just over 25 minutes, which given the pained expression on Colm's face by about 20 minutes in must be just about the limit of how long they can *actually* play it for. It's a cliché to call it cathartic, but I certainly went through a range of emotions whilst they were pummeling away from laughter to end-of-days style shit.

I got tickets and went along for nostalgic reasons as much as anything, and really had no idea what to expect but was honestly blown away (as were all my friends), it makes you wonder what they could have done in the intervening years if Kevin had got his act together, and for a band that have not (presumably) rehearsed or played much they were incredibly tight and focused. There's some serious Dorian Gray antics going on too because they do look exactly the same as they did in '92. It might just be proof of the benefits of doing bugger all for 16 years of course.

On a practical note, if you have earplugs wear them. I only put them in for YMMR and my head has been ringing and whooshing today like a fucker. In total agreement about the £23 t-shirts complaint upthread, a massive ripoff. And the drip release of the tickets and dates is pure racketeering, one of my friends ended up selling two spares to a tout for a fiver, who dubbed them "My Bloody Waste of Time".

― Bill A, Sunday, 29 June 2008 22:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

So that's where Paul Owen ended up!

― Mark G, Monday, 30 June 2008 07:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

That's a great review Bill A. Can't wait till the Paris concert!

Here, you can download the entire 13th of June London concert.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 June 2008 16:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

charlie, if you're reading: i've failed miserably to find anyone who wants your tix. sorry.

― grimly fiendish, Monday, 30 June 2008 21:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cheers, LBI! Reading it back it's a bit of a splurge, but they stirred up a weirdly affecting mix of emotions. I can't think of anyone before (or since) MBV who've been able to properly combine the crushingly heavy with such tenderness and seeing them live again really reminded me of this.

Thanks for that live link as well - very acceptable sound quality, although it reveals some *seriously* wonky lead guitar on Honeypower...

― Bill A, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 07:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

charlie, if you're reading: i've failed miserably to find anyone who wants your tix. sorry.

dammit, me neither! i'm next-day-delivering them to a mate in glasgow today anyway, in case she can shift them - i just want them to be used now, otherwise that's £60 i've spent on fuck-all.

― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 09:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

if it's any consolation, my mate with a spare ticket for wed can't shift that either :(

― grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 09:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

that's not much consolation, sadly - all it means is there will be unused tickets, empty spaces and pissed off bank managers :-(

so that's an ilx count of five tickets for tonight and two for tomorrow, all going begging and no fucker wants them? are we all so old? meh.

― CharlieNo4, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 09:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

grimly, Charlie, If I was in Glasgow today or tomorrow then trust me I'd want to see them again. Sorry you're facing wasted cash!

>so that's an ilx count of five tickets for tonight and two for tomorrow, all going begging and no fucker wants them? are we all so old? meh

It does seem like the promoters have slightly overestimated MBV's pulling power and that everybody who wants tickets has got them; there were lots of spares floating about for Manchester (on Saturday at least) and people were offering them outside for nothing rather than sell to touts. Realistically, they would never have been able to play two nights at the Apollo (3500 capacity) even in their heyday. I know the legend has grown over the years, and there were loads of "kids" at the show I went to, but I suppose the opposite is also true in that a fair amount of the more grizzled fans from the old days will not be bothered.

― Bill A, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 09:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah as I mentioned upthread I couldn't get rid of my wife's ticket when she couldn't make it. I decided to keep it in case I wanted to go out for a fag halfway through (no readmissions) rather than sell it to arsehole touts for 2 quid. In the end there was a smoking terrace anyway so I wouldn't have needed it.

― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 09:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Got my earplugs for tonight at the Barrowlands and I'll be tipping slightly-interested friends that there should be tickets to be had.

― Soukesian, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 10:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's 20 years since Isn't Anything. Fucking hell.

― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 10:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

And I'm still as sprightly as the day it was released! Uh.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 11:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

I have a mate who bought tickets for tonight but now cannot go due to last minute interview for a job down South that he can't get back from in time. He's away already so no point in asking for a swap, but if anyone has a spare for tomorrow that would otherwise be going in the bin, let me know please? He would pay, but has already paid for a Wednesday ticket he can't get rid of.

Isn't the surfeit of tickets due to only three gigs being announced to start with before tons more got added due to promoter greed following the quick sale of the first lot, meaning that lots of Londoners have tickets for out-of-town gigs they don't need to go to now?

― ailsa, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

ailsa, mail me offlist (starsandheroes at your friendly favourite search engine's mail service) - i have two spares for tomorrow which i can't shift - you chum's welcome to them if my "fence" in glasgow hasn't managed to get rid of them today already (the tickets are up there already so your mate will have to pick up tomorrow).

also, your theory re surplus tickets is 100% precisely what happened to me, so yes you're probably right!

― CharlieNo4, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 13:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Like, as if they were going to miss London out!

― Mark G, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 13:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yay, just found out my mate has got a ticket for me for tonight in Glasgow.

― jim, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

nonono mark, they announced like two london dates which sold out in seconds, but i managed to get glasgow tickets before they sold out, and then they announced a load more london dates, one of which i ended up going to, hence no longer need to go all the way to glasgow to see them, hence two spare tickets for glasgow, y'see?

― CharlieNo4, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

ah.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

bump for ailsa - let me know asap, apparently someone's close to buying both of my spares for tomorrow!

― CharlieNo4, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

No, just go ahead if you can get money for them. I haven't mentioned this to him, and I hope he doesn't lurk on here (sorry Ewan, if you do!), but I'm sure he'll understand that you'd rather take money for them if necessary. Let me know via here if they don't go.

― ailsa, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 17:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

charlie: if you're reading, there's a chance that -- yes! -- malcolm middleton will take one of your tickets. not sure, though. i'll e-mail you too.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

my spares have gone now i'm afraid... although surely resident pop luminaries get a free pass?

― CharlieNo4, Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeh, i imagine any pop luminaries might.

malcolm won't, though.

<ker-tish, boom>

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Erm you guys, does anyone know anyone with any more spares for tonight? SOMEONE WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS has JUST looked at our tickets and OMG they are for YESTERDAY! HELP!! HELP!! HELP!!!!

― ailsa, Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

(this someone is NOT ME, all right?)

― ailsa, Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

I am going to be off the internet in about half an hour - Grimly, since you're around on this thread, please be my ticket co-ordinator while I go and smack people round the head and I will see you in the pub later. I should be contactable by phone for most of the afternoon.

― ailsa, Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

OMG!

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 3 July 2008 13:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hope you can still make it!

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 3 July 2008 13:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

What time were MBV on and offstage last night?

The Pastels are support tonight btw. On at 7.45pm according to the lady on the phone at the barras. She said mbv were on at around 9ish and it will finish by 11.

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 3 July 2008 14:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

They were on about 9:20 when I went and I was outside about 11:05, but it did take bloody ages getting out of the venue, so they probably finished about 10:50. I got in at 8.05 and the support band were already onstage, but I heard they'd only played 1 song.

― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 3 July 2008 14:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha there's people over on the DFFD (ex Southern Lord) board complaining they weren't as loud as when they saw them nearly 20 years ago.

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 3 July 2008 15:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

no, they're all just old and deaf now.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 3 July 2008 15:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

and the guys on DFFD are probably the same ;)

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 3 July 2008 15:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

The gig was actually quite quiet, only when they got to the holocaust bit did it get loud. And it was very loud, but I was standing up the back and there it was not overwhelmingly so and I didn't need to make use of my earplugs. Ringing in my ears has subsided.

I thought the gig as a whole was a bit of a mixed bag. Some great moments but some of the songs I didn't feel were as good in the live setting because of the importance of the production on Loveless to lift the songs above the pedestrian and the inability to recreate that in the live setting was evident at times. Some very sloppy moments with the drumming speeding up and leaving the taped leads trailing behind for quite long spells at times as well. But "You made me realise" was pretty much flawless.

― jim, Thursday, 3 July 2008 18:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

We got in. I loved it. No earplugs for me because I am hard as nails, though my collarbone, teeth, ribcage etc feel slightly more rattly than they did when I went in. Dull roar in ears at the moment (like I'm holding a seashell up to them), but anticipate no long term damage, if they still feel like that tomorrow I'll be very surprised. I stood by the door at the 20 minute noise-fest and laughed at hipsters running out with their hands over their ears, which was more entertaining than listening to shit going nowhere forever. Found myself getting bored at the end of "Soon" when I realised I'd been listening to exactly the same thing for about five minutes and it had stopped having any sort of effect on me, but other than that it was mostly cracking.

― ailsa, Thursday, 3 July 2008 23:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

Dull roar in ears at the moment (like I'm holding a seashell up to them), but anticipate no long term damage, if they still feel like that tomorrow I'll be very surprised.

Better sorry than safe, of course.

;-)

― stephen, Friday, 4 July 2008 00:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ailsa is hard, she refused my spare earplugs!
Great gig, thoroughly enjoyed it as did grimlyfiendish who i was stood with throughout. We were glad of earplugs. No ringing in my ears or anything. I could actually hear as normal outside. Those wax earplugs were awesome! The 20 mins of noise had the floor rattling like at a Sunn o))) gig. Its hard to say who are louder (except a sunn gig at this noise level lasts 90 odd mins. )
Was nice to meet everyone. Sorry i didnt get the chance to speak with anyone at the end, but i had to go find my mate who was hiding up the back somewhere.

I've never seen Motorhead but i bet they're still louder.

― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 July 2008 00:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

I figured since I managed Envy being so loud at ATP that Battles had to turn up the volume in the venue next door to be heard properly (and I'd seen Battles the night before, they were pretty loud themselves) without earplugs and no damage, that this would be a skoosh. And it was. It was the jangling to the body that affected me more than the actual effect on my ears, which are absolutely fine this morning.

― ailsa, Friday, 4 July 2008 08:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

Haha, I was wondering whether you'd use Envy as a comparison at some point.

― aldo, Friday, 4 July 2008 08:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Obvious one though, innit?

― ailsa, Friday, 4 July 2008 08:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

MBV were actually louder than Motorhead. OK, I was a lot younger then, and my ears may have lost sensation, but that would make me think MBV were quieter, wouldn't it?

It may have been the room as much as the sound system. My previous loudest gig ever was actually Harmony Rockets at the Brooklyn Anchorage - it's those boomy hollow round spaces that really do your ears in. While Motorhead were an open air gig.

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 4 July 2008 10:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

they totally kicked my arse in glasgow. just stunning.

was relatively ambivalent but curious beforehand, and now I have the irritating evangelical zeal of a new convert.

― m the g, Friday, 4 July 2008 10:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Loudest gig I've been to is still JAMC in '98, but that was at a small venue, the actual volume was likely lower than MBV at Roundhouse but it deafened me for days. I couldn't hear my own voice after the gig. Hardly had any ringing in my ears the day after MBV, and I didn't use the earplugs.

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 4 July 2008 10:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

I've never seen Motorhead but i bet they're still louder

i saw motorhead at the barras some years ago and they were nowhere near as loud (although kate's caveat, above, also applies, i guess!)

anyway: that was astonishing. just ... mesmerising. i actually took my earplugs out for the majority of it (thought you'd noticed that, herman!) but shoved them back in a couple of songs before the end, when there seemed to be a noticeable increase in intensity. we were roughly in the middle of the floor, a little towards the back: there is NO WAY i could have listened to the holocaust bit without plugs. as kate said upthread: you feel the thing. you don't need to hear every bit of it. i took the plugs out briefly at a couple of points to see what it sounded like; and i took them out again right for the very last bit (when they blast back into the YMMR beat etc), which was maybe a minute: that was pulverising enough.

maybe a slight ringing in my ears today if i'm honest, but nowhere near as bad as i've had before. then again: maybe that's just because the damage is already done :(

it was superb to finally meet herman (phil was very impressed/awestruck by your jacket), and top to see ailsa and her distinguished guests. (where did you actually end up for the gig, after we hoyed in to the crowd? i thought you lot were following us.) i ended up going to mono with john from mogwai on the way home -- he's mates with big chris. he was in raptures about the gig, which has to be a good sign for all us mogwai-lovers. luckily, the bar closed at midnight otherwise i'm not sure when we'd have stopped: there was a certain degree of post-gig euphoria -- although both john and chris did say they were surprised by how raggedy some of kevin's playing was. can't say i noticed/was bothered.

(big chris is also friendly with the dude who does the monitor setup at the barras: i'm absolutely fascinated as to how that works for MBV -- ie what the band can hear during you made me realise! -- and will try to find out.)

highlights for me: obviously YMMR. "soon" was something approaching a spiritual experience; but it was "to here knows when" that really transported me to some other magical dimension, with guitar-playing angels speeding my way.

so yeh, i kinda liked it.

― grimly fiendish, Friday, 4 July 2008 11:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

I saw you taking them out at times but you always put them back in I thought.
Ahh, he did say he liked my Khanate hoodie.

― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 July 2008 11:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, grimly, didn't see where you'd gone when you went, I turned to talk to T & K and when I looked round again, you'd vanished and you're not very easy to spot in a crowd full of tall people :-) We were to the right of the stage quite near the front, though I went wandering back for a while to go and look at at wibbly projections and lights and stuff because the full effect wasn't in full effect where we were standing.

― ailsa, Friday, 4 July 2008 12:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

I saw grimly move and just followed him. I assumed everyone else was following. We pretty much moved in a straight line from where we were standing into near enough the middle. Just to the left of Kevin Shields.
Then after some big guy almost got in a fight with a wee guy and his girl, they moved away, and we took their spaces and at last we could see!

― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 July 2008 12:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

ha! yes, that was damned lucky. in fairness: the wee bloke did seem to have been unnecessarily antagonistic, in a slightly foolish way. but yeh, result: the little dude nashed off with his lass, and we got a much better place to stand :)

― grimly fiendish, Friday, 4 July 2008 13:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

Naw, the big guy shoved his way by pushing loads out the road. He was understandably pissed off. But the big guy saw him and confronted him while the wee guys girl tried to calm big dude down.

― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 July 2008 13:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

hmm. maybe i'm being unfair on the wee dude. even so: it's just not worth rising to these things.

― grimly fiendish, Friday, 4 July 2008 13:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

I noticed the guys standing behind us are regulars at Sunn o))) gigs. No holding their ears in pain from them.

― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 July 2008 14:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm predicting, in future shows, a new game will be created

You Made Me Realise Chicken

Whoever removes the earplugs for the shortest time is the loser, lol.

― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 4 July 2008 18:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I stood by the door at the 20 minute noise-fest and laughed at hipsters running out with their hands over their ears

Apparently (according to some review on the interweb, possibly The Guardian?) loads of people were walking out in a daze at the first night at the Roundhouse too (I didn't notice this because I'd forced my way to right up the front, but was regreting it and suffering). The thing is, what struck me before the gig was that looking around beforehand the vast majority of people seemed to be my age (mid-thirties) or older, i.e. people who were into MBV at the time and had probably seen them back in the day. So surely they knew exactly what to expect?

Maybe not, I don't know. This whole thing about the volume during YMMR seems to have passed me by first time around. I saw them a couple of times on the Loveless tour at the end of 91 and then again on the Rollercoaster thing in the spring of 92. I remember them doing YMMR, and I remember the white noise breakdown bit going on for what seemed like ages (but was probably only about 7 or 8 minutes, so nothing like it's since become), but what I found impressive at the time was that someone could be so noisy (in the sense of willfully making a tuneless noise for ages) rather than noisy (in the sense of being unbearably loud). It was only from reading ILM threads more than a decade later that I was even aware that it was supposed to have been legendarily loud, and that the noise itself had a name.

So when I saw them a couple of weeks ago it didn't even cross my mind to take up the offer of ear plugs as I just thought 'well, I've seen them several times before without any problems, how bad can it be?'. When the gig started they weren't particularly loud, but they seemed to be cranking it up more and more as the evening went on. YMMR was definitely the loudest thing I've ever heard. It was painful, it felt like being trapped inside a jet engine or something. I was staying at the front because I wanted to be there when the noise stopped so I could 'dance' around to the rest of the 'song', but after ten minutes or so I had to put my hands over my ears and hope it would end soon.

I can't believe it was that loud back in 91/92 otherwise surely I would remember it being loud? (Or noticeably louder than the other gigs I went to in those days).

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 4 July 2008 23:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just got back from a trip to Paris, seeing MBV on wednesday night.

Thanks to all the comments here we got ourselfs a good pair of earplugs, and they proved to be an absolute necessity. We unfortunately missed the first three songs due to heavy traffic, so I don't know whether they handed out plugs or the French are just well equiped concert go-ers. But the 'holocaust'-bit pained those who didn't wear them, for sure. I smiled at one guy putting on his motor helmet when You Made Me Realise dived into the excruciating noise hell it.

The whole concert was like a euphoric dream coming true. It was angelic. Highlights for me were hearing the drumloop of Soon kick in - at which point the whole crowd became one vibrant organism. Feed Me With Your Kiss was particularly beautiful as well, but it was all very majestic really.

It was funny to see how Colm and Debbie moved about constantly (esp. Debbie handled her bass like it was a posessed beast), and Kevin and especially Bilinda stood up front like statues. I hope a crew member lifted Bilinda in the bus afterwards, otherwise she'd still be standing there.

There was a problem during the 'holocaust' bit in You Made Me Realise though. Four or five minutes in, the sound suddenly dropped, and all I could hear was some fuzz, like white noise. The band continued playing though like nothing had happened. I first feared I had somehow lost my hearing completely at this point. It was a harrowing spectacle: seeing the band axe away on stage, but hearing only this white noise like buzz. I thought I'd lost it. But it turned out the amps had suddenly dropped dead.
I read somewhere that French law prohibits any concert to go above 105db, whereas MBV play their closer at a rattling 120db. After a couple of minutes the amps went back up, and the band continued blistering through their feedback assault, but soon after the amps again stopped working. At that point, the band let the sound ring out and walked off.

Apparantly French newspaper Le Monde reported afterwards that the amps didn't simply break, but that it was the engineers of the venue who pulled the plug on the band a couple of times... because of the violation of the French law. Crazy. Kevin was pretty pissed off, and as the rest of the band looked a bit bemused, he apparantly brought his copy of the contract to show the engineers that playing at the harsh level they wanted to was in the contract.

These ongoings lasted about five minutes or so, upon which they did return to finish the song - which I though was brilliant (it included a - perhaps somewhat cynical? - deadly silent, a capella whispering of the "You made me realise" lyric by Kevin).

I've read some reviews online today, and more than a few people seem to be either pissed off by the venue, by MBV being 'too loud' (wtf), and have left the place with an ambigious feeling because of the antics at the end.
Me, I really couldn't be bothered by all this. Ofcourse it was loud, and I'm glad it was. Like Kate said up thread, YMMR was a full body and mind experience. I would curse myself if I'd missed out on this, for it was glorious in every way.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 13 July 2008 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Debbie handled her bass like it was a posessed beast

That's probably what I still remember the most about the 1992 shows, the way she played. If I had ever learned bass I would have wanted to play it like she did (and does).

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 July 2008 21:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Are Craigslist and Ebay the best places to find Chicago tickets? If so, ;_;

― Tape Store, Monday, 28 July 2008 00:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

What happened to the remastered cd's ??

― X-101, Monday, 28 July 2008 12:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

they'll be along shortly after the new album

― J0hn D., Monday, 28 July 2008 13:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

ha ha. september. you can find the lamo, soon to be redundant plain vinyl reissue of loveless at ridiculously jacked up prices internet-wide while you wait, though. kevin was re-doing some liner notes. there are promos out and stuff (the slightly different tints on the sleeves of which are subject to massive fan debate).

also, to further fill the criterion of naive ever-burning-flame-of-hope mbv fan, i kinda think the next lp will be out sometime soon. they're recording in october and november. recording never took them so long, it was just the months in between doing it ...

― schlump, Monday, 28 July 2008 15:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

So the 2cd loveless was meant to be out today, wasn't it? It is according to Amazon.co.uk - however they don't have it in stock. Anyone got any info?

― I am using your worlds, Monday, 18 August 2008 10:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's not september already, is it?

― Mark G, Monday, 18 August 2008 10:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

play says the 1st sept, my birthday o/

― X-101, Monday, 18 August 2008 11:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Amazon sez:

"Product details

* Audio CD (18 Aug 2008)
* Number of Discs: 2

Availability: Temporarily out of stock. Order now and we'll deliver when available."

Were they just bullshitting then? Damn, got my hopes up for nothing.

xpost thanks!

― I am using your worlds, Monday, 18 August 2008 11:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Hey, I have 2 extra tickets to ATP New York I'm trying to sell, if anyone's interested or has friends who are interested/thinking about going, prices for the 2 are negotiable, send me a message. . .maybe we can work something out.

― Michael_Pemulis, Thursday, 11 September 2008 00:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Given up on these remasters :'(

― X-101, Thursday, 11 September 2008 12:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

― The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 11 September 2008 12:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

― akm, Thursday, 11 September 2008 13:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

is that Louis Walsh immediately to the left of Bilinda in that picture???

― zappi, Thursday, 11 September 2008 14:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

That has gotta be photoshopped?

― Freedom, Thursday, 11 September 2008 19:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

nuh uh; it's a flickr pic that photographer bp fallon commented on, saying he'd invited louis. there's a link somewhere on the mbv board's picture thread, i think.

atp stuff: i've got a spare bed in our room, and i'm going to spend the evening seeing if anyone's driving back to nyc at any point on sunday night ... any help on either much appreciated x

― schlump, Thursday, 11 September 2008 22:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.flickr.com/photos/turgidson/2823208850/

lols

― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 12 September 2008 10:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was nearer the Shields side of the stage at Electric Picnic, so unfortunately I was unable to grind my ass against Walsh's crotch.

― Freedom, Friday, 12 September 2008 15:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Aside from Walsh, I also thought that was photoshopped because it seems a rather unusually colourful-looking bunch in the crowd.

― Freedom, Friday, 12 September 2008 15:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is that not Jeremy Clarkson on the far right as well?

(lol - far right)

― arboreal gatorade (I am using your worlds), Friday, 12 September 2008 16:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

And of course Chris Morris second left of Walsh.

― Freedom, Friday, 12 September 2008 16:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Spectrum just added as openers to the Santa Monica Civic show.

― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 23:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

that's kinda cool - hope he gets paid well

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 23:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Here you go, Sonic -- a bunch of jellybeans and an original Ed Roth design."

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ned, you going to ATP?

― Reatards Unite, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 01:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Good lord no. Just the second LA show.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 01:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ned, I have an extra ticket! Book a flight!

― ilxor, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 03:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is that not Jeremy Clarkson on the far right as well?
(lol - far right)
― arboreal gatorade (I am using your worlds), Friday, 12 September 2008 16:23 (5 days ago)

LOL bloody looks like him, bet if it is him he aint enjoying himself :P

― X-101, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 10:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'll be at the Oct 2nd show myself.

Yay, Spectrum! In any form really! Sonic on just marimba! Fine! Thumbs Up! :)

― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

i have 2 tickets for oct 1 but turns out i need to be somewhere else that night. does anyone want to trade a pair of thursday tickets for wednesday ones?

― doo doo doo doo doo (heartbreaker) (get bent), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Did she cut her hair? How marvelous!

― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

Our flight to Newark International Airport leaves in four hours and I haven't slept a wink.

― ilxor, Thursday, 18 September 2008 06:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

So that was fucking awesome.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 14:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

The band spent £200,000, about $366,000, on equipment for the tour, and Mr. Shields laughed when asked how many effects pedals he owned. “Hundreds,” he said. He only uses 30 onstage, he added.
from Jon Pareles NY Times review of ATP

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/arts/music/23bloo.html

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 16:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'll be @ the oct 2nd show too, sleep-deprived and slightly skeptical that it's actually going to happen

― 6335, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 17:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha, yeah i saw that and did a double take ... do the rolling stones spend that much on equipment?
xpost

― tylerw, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 17:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Monday night the speaker stage right kept cutting out during their set. It was annoying as all hell.
The show as a whole was still amazing though.

― jonathan - stl, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 17:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

I went last night ... fuckin awesome

― dmr, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Only MBV could spend $360,000 on gear and then sort of casually say "it'll be nice to play the songs the way they were meant to be played."

I've always been a Loveless appreciator more than a Loveless fanboy, but damn that show was incredible (I went on Monday)--never do live bands make me want to close my eyes and just listen. There was something excellently unpretentious about it too--Colm and Debbie just rocking out, Bilinda placid with a faint smile, and Kevin totally calm, hitting every chord perfectly. They're doing something special, and they know they are, but they never for a second got self-conscious about it.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Colm and Debbie just rocking out

I admit I might be looking forward to that the most. Debbie attacking the bass is my overriding memory of the 1992 shows.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Bilinda placid

that's one word for it; she's definitely the weakest link

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

What made the 1992 shows legendary is the conflation of all the juxtapositions. MBV really lived up to the term shoegaze -- specifically Kevin and Bilinda... so many people probably thought the show would be little on energy. People just didn't know there would be a LOT of energy but coming from anyone BUT the expected suspects.

The juxtaposition between the still and low-key Kevin and Bilinda, the far more energetic Debbie and Colm, the strobe lights, and the jet noise in 1992 just broke a lot of boundaries in people's brains on what a live show should be.

While I'm kinda bummed this is, as an ILX celebrity put it, "the third leg of the Loveless tour" and nothing more, I'm happy that people who are seeing MBV for the first time are apparently getting a very accurate represenation of what it was like in 1992, YouTube, iPhones, etc. be damned.

― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was there last night. It was fucking amazing, it felt really really good to be just completely engulfed by noise for like an hour and half. one of the best bands I've ever seen play in my life.

however, the crowd was the biggest bunch of pussies in any show I've ever been in. I was embarrassed. people were literally running away from the stage holding their hands over their ears.

xxxpost Debbie was incredible!!! besides shields I was most mesmerized by her.

― Surfboard Pre (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

however, the crowd was the biggest bunch of pussies in any show I've ever been in. I was embarrassed. people were literally running away from the stage holding their hands over their ears.

A bit rude. I can't say I'm surprised at those reactions but they were the case back then. To quote myself:

They kept playing at twenty-five minutes. I swear I saw people literally staggering towards the exit, just having to leave, not being able to stand another second of it. But then I also saw people moving forward, almost as if they couldn't be controlled -- moths to the flame.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

people were literally running away from the stage holding their hands over their ears.

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

The anger and exertion in Colm's face was quite astonishing to behold at electric picnic. I recall Debbie seeming quite restrained though.

― Freedom, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

The NY crowd was predictably full of retards, such as amateur photog in front of me who captured just about every lighting change but may have not heard any music at all. He would focus on Bilinda for about 10 seconds before taking a picture--dude, she is not moving or changing expression.

Then there was the crew of idiots next to me who spent half the show shouting "Don't be afraid to dance, New York" after every song and dancing like wannabe ravers while this out of control girl kept on bumping into me and stomping me with her heel. "You Made Me Realise" shut them down pretty good. God I am sick of the "ppl at indie rock shows are scared to dance" trope.

Whatever, small distractions during an amazing night.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 19:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

i was slightly surprised at the jock-ish percentage in the audience, maybe including the dudes who kept shouting "louder!," plus tiny girls who pushed upcrowd as aggressively as meatheads, but in large part people seemed to stay in place and respectfully appreciate what they were seeing. the clapping/cheers seemed fairly muted - maybe it just seemed that way because of the earplugs, or maybe it was because everyone was wearing earplugs (around me, at least).

I am sick of the "ppl at indie rock shows are scared to dance" trope

i'm not - i think indie rock crowds suck - but being really vocal about it is poor form

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 19:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

On the clapping thing I noticed that too--I think for me it was a combination of being totally overwhelmed and not even thinking that it was time to clap/cheer, and then when I did think of it, it seemed like it was going to be hopelessly QUIET compared to the band.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 19:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

so nice to read all the deb appreciation. watching her slam the bass around during thorn's so fun.

― schlump, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 19:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

roseland ballroom setlist, no honey power :(

1. I only said
2. When you sleep
3. You never should
4. When you wake
5. Cigarette in your bed
6. Come in alone
7. Only Shallow
8. Thorn
9. Nothing much to lose
10. To here knows when
11. Slow
12. Soon
13. Feed me with your kiss
14. You made me realize

― 6335, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 20:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

dudes, don't bring a fucking date to a MY BLOODY VALENTINE show cuz you guys read pf4rk and listen to belle and sebastian in your bedroom. it's not "pleasant" music in a live setting it's fucking ear-raping noise bliss. come prepared. pound a couple shots of jameson or something and don't just stand there looking like you're at a tour of the vatican or something

― Surfboard Pre (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 20:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

that is all.

― Surfboard Pre (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 20:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

how to pound shots of jameson into ears?

― 6335, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 20:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

― Surfboard Pre (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 20:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

I waited through the show until halfway through that noise segment to put my earplugs in, and it took until today for my hearing to feel totally right again. Had some weird muffling yesterday, and my voice sounded louder and scratchier in my head.

"To Here Knows When" was amazing. The whole set was so loud you kind of had to know the songs very well to be able to search for the chord changes. I think that was confusing to some people.

It was the loudest thing I've ever heard for sure. Halfway through the noise segment of "..Realize" I started looking up at cymbals being slammed over and over, which was kind of surreal, as I couldn't hear them at all. I just felt little surges cold air slithering around my earplugs, and the feeling of the hair on my arms being blown gently by the air pushed by the sound.

― silkworm exploding, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 20:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

I agree with 90 percent of the above postings. Fantastic live show, one of the best I've ever seen. And fucking loud.

― ilxor, Thursday, 25 September 2008 02:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Anyone going to be at the Chicago show on Saturday? I'm coming in w/a couple of friends from Cleveland.

― Oh my god pink flamingoes (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 25 September 2008 13:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

Played the live recording in the car last week, long journey.

Hit a traffic queue, was stationary, until the "death chord" hit, at which point the traffic melted.

And all was fine, until the death chord ended and the last part of the song resumed, at which point the traffic halted again.

― Mark G, Thursday, 25 September 2008 14:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

This sounds about right.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 September 2008 14:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

"You Made Me Realise (That Tinnitus Ain't Exactly A Party)"

wear them earplugs, folks...

― henry s, Thursday, 25 September 2008 14:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

is spectrum opening the SF show?

― akm, Thursday, 25 September 2008 16:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Toronto show is tonight. Although I heard they're handing out earplugs at some venues, I'm going to buy a pair at lunch today. I can't wait. I honestly never thought that I would get to see this happen.

― j-rock, Thursday, 25 September 2008 16:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

Mostly detailed list of what gear MBV is using on this tour

Three items of note...

1. Kevin Shields guitar alone can go as loud as 116dB.

2. The P.A. was partially inspired by the “Wall Of Sound” PA that The Grateful Dead used in 1974.

3. This picture...

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 September 2008 21:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

J-Rock didn't post again on this thread, so I fear he was killed by the noise.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 September 2008 21:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

spectrum is opening the SF show, as well as Suzanne Thorpe (solo flute?), in case anyone was wondering.

I anticipate this to be the perfect soundtrack to the Death of America

― akm, Monday, 29 September 2008 21:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

I anticipate this to be the perfect soundtrack to the Death of America

Aye. I'll be at this show when the Vice Pres. debate is going on.

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 September 2008 22:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Really is perfect timing. As I've told Mackro, the holocaust section might as well soundtrack the debate itself.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 September 2008 22:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

Notes on Roseland night 1:

I thought Colm was so sloppy that it was almost ruining some of the songs
The mix was loud but seemed to lack OOMPH like their albums do; I felt underwhelmed and disappointed
THE LOUD PARTS DURING "SOON" DIDN'T GET LOUD!! What the fuck!!!
Death Chord made everything worth it and then some

― Steve (Not Stevie) (Stevie D), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 19:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

I heard a definite lack of oomph at the Toronto concert (it did get better as sound dudes finally put a bit more bass in)

― Cars That Go Boom (mehlt), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 22:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

The mix was loud but seemed to lack OOMPH like their albums do; I felt underwhelmed and disappointed

One thing I remember about the second 1992 show was how it didn't quite feel like the first one in terms of sheer sonic hysteria -- but I think the answer was clear: the second one was in a bigger venue and the more open the space, the less it's all immediately and totally drilling into every extremity. The fact that the LA shows are at the Santa Monica Civic Center leads me to think most of the show will be similar, but that "You Made Me Realise" being the last song will have everyone just going 'UH' for days after that and remembering little else.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 22:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

On the other hand, I deliberately picked the second show because that gives Kevin and the sound guys a day to tweak the sound to best advantage.

― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 22:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm almost dreading this show now

― akm, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 22:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

I just landed in SF today after 4 flights from another hemisphere, I will be at show tonight. what time does MBV go on?

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 22:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

there are two openers and it "starts at 8" so I'd guess not until 10

― akm, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 22:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

I will be there at 9:30pm then. See youse.

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 23:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

I coming down to L.A. to see them for a variety of reasons, so it may seem weird to say that I'm so so so sick of Loveless, how it changed almost everything, etc. Hell, the star KEXP DJ named his record label after the album title, and one of the first signings was a -- wait for it -- Loveless homage band pretty much. And on it goes...

it wasn't until I walked into Easy Street today that I heard the album for the first time loud in an empty space. I saw the band play live, but I'd only heard the album in more insular settings before.. which makes sense given the nature of how the album was made in many ways. *cue the Ned Raggett Nation anthem* But for such an insular album, this album is still a monster when played loud at a large record store with a decent sound system. It still sounds an album that came out this week. All the segues. Given that MBV aren't heading to Seattle this time or maybe ever again, it was a coincidence they were playing the album when I walked in. Yet it was that necessary Rocky Balboa moment for me wrt the Oct 2nd show. I am PUMPED. *lifts Olympian pedals and gold plated whammy bars with my bare fucking hands, yaaaar!*

― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 03:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

The scary thing with me recently -- arrived at a friend's place on Saturday for a party and upon entering "To Here Knows When" started up on the stereo. I rolled my eyes a bit and asked, "Okay, did you have this cued up for my arrival or something?" -- only to find out that it was part of a random iTunes playlist.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 03:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

wishing i had a full bodysuit of armor and a shield for this

― 6335, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 06:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Okay I am still vibrating.

― rogermexico., Wednesday, 1 October 2008 08:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

awesome

― vast variety of steens where we get our HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 08:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

btw Ned and Stevie basically OTM but fail to mention that "You Made Me Realise" goes beyond sound you can feel to sound you can practically touch

― rogermexico., Wednesday, 1 October 2008 17:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

i left 15 minutes into it, could still hear it at my car three blocks away, it sounded like a war.

anyway yeah this was awesome

― akm, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 18:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

also great running into Mr. Shasta right outside

― akm, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 18:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

MET/EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS

"You Made Me Realise" being the last song will have everyone just going 'UH' for days after that and remembering little else.

This is more or less the state I am in at the moment. SF show, esp the middle section of this tune was simply astounding. I can't say as I have ever heard anything quite like it-incredibly rich, penetrating.

I'm curious to hear from those who have seen this recent tour as well as tourdates of yore.

Lastly if anyone has a setlist of last night's SF show I'd much appreciate it..

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

damn all of you SFILXORZ for not holding placards! I'm new here - do we ever SFAP?

Sparkle, the closest experiences I've had have been Boredoms and Sun Ra, though fwiw for Sun Ra the fungus in my brainz may have contributed.

― rogermexico., Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

btw Ned and Stevie basically OTM but fail to mention that "You Made Me Realise" goes beyond sound you can feel to sound you can practically touch

I always love this bit from the interview I did with him:

NR: I'm especially thinking, of course, of your version of "You Made Me Realize." I saw two performances back then, one at the Roxy and one at the Palace, which I gather was one of the last times the band performed back then...
KS: The last time we played in America...actually, the last time we played anywhere! The one in Los Angeles. It was a shame, because it wasn't loud. I remember thinking we played technically well, and I remember playing and going, 'It's not loud.' Because when it's loud, you can see ripples among the people as they all get hit by certain frequencies...
NR: To put your mind at ease, I think it was loud enough!
KS: Loud in a caustic way, but not in a low-frequency way, not in the stomach way. In the ears, yeah. I think we definitely tried to push that as far as we could ever push it. But I think in the future I want to make it a lot more physical, in a body way.
NR: That actually sounds a bit like Throbbing Gristle, of all bands, the way they tried to make sound visible.
KS: I think that's a good thing! I think that's real. It's like when you play an acoustic guitar, weirdly enough. The only way you can imitate an acoustic guitar effect on your body when you're sitting there playing it is to have a Marshall amp at full. It's quite perverse, in a way. People perceive loud music as somehow being really confrontational and aggressive, but really what you're doing is being sensual. At least that's the way I feel; I know Dinosaur Jr. are like that as well. A lot of bands are trying to get that feel when they're just sitting around playing with their amplifiers; then it feels right. When it feels dislocated from you, when it feels quiet, then it's wrong.

He knows exactly what he is doing, and what he wants to have happen.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm curious to hear from those who have seen this recent tour as well as tourdates of yore.

At the risk of being typical -- I am planning a liveblog.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Sounds great. I'm looking forward to geeking out on this as much as possible.

To rogermexico who mentioned the Boredoms, their Super ae show was my baseline for loudest/most intense concert experience until last night. As far as placards go, I'd be up for it in the future. I rarely post but have been ilxing for longer than I've realized....

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

Coincidentally, The Bug & Warrior Queen on Sunday broke my personal record for loudest *bass* live at a show ever.

And Thursday might break another live volume all 'round record for me. Or it will be second place. We'll see.

― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

Here's the set list from last night (not my photo):

The vocals weren't quite loud enough where I was, which was disappointing because I feel that a lot of the melodic texture of their songs is in the vocal lines. And the bass was simply punishing, loud and physical. The sensual comment is very telling; this was the first experience I'd had where the sound was loud enough to feel (not just as a percussive or concussive short term event). It moved through and over my body and my clothes rattled. That final 20 minutes or so was a total physical experience.

― wmlynch, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just got word via e-mail that tomorrow night's show will start at 8:30 pm, not 9 pm (doors at 7:30). And you'll want to be there for Spectrum, for sure. (I actually think I'll try and get up front for that and withdraw for the ravening hordes for MBV...)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

NY show was doors at 7, MBV went on around 940-45

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

I thought Spectrum was excellent last night. I didn't have high expectations, but they were really good.

― wmlynch, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha dude don't worry the vocals weren't loud enough ANYWHERE

― rogermexico., Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah the vocal mix was pretty fucked all around

― akm, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

No way around that - the PA wasn't going to keep up with the amps!

― rogermexico., Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

the vocals aren't even loud enough on the album!

What's UP with that?

― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

last nite

BADS: vox were sub lp levels. sound dude (i stood next to him) was pretty blasted. as with the early 90s shows, i expected some flubs from colm/blinda/deb but this go around it was actually Mssr. Shields who lost count more than a few times in the mathier numbers. venue was abyssmal. 125k ft2 brick/wood/glass convention hall was no match for the mid/small venues of the previous tour* (*lol).

GOODS: all the songs, all the melodies, all the sounds, totally awesome. it was a little more than half a life ago and a lot has changed through the years but the songs still stirred up the same emotions and energies. YMMR seemed much more sedate compared to the last tour* (*lolz?) but i had earplugs in this time rather than crinkled paper towels.

nice to see everyone again, they're still as mellow and non-chalant as ever.

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

venue was abyssmal. 125k ft2 brick/wood/glass convention hall was no match for the mid/small venues of the previous tour* (*lol).

Still my biggest worry for tomorrow. Hope Elvis T.'s guess that tonight will be the test run and tomorrow the fine-tuning holds.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 21:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

LOL sad little Kevin y don't u sing loudr?

― wmlynch, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 23:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Was anyone there last night?

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 15:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

J-Rock didn't post again on this thread, so I fear he was killed by the noise.

Nearly. The Toronto show was excellent. I thought the set-list was great, and they sounded really good, although the vocals were a little low in the mix, even for them. The rhythm section were a lot more prominent than on the records, which was a pleasant surprise. The "Holocaust" lived up to its billing, and was one of the most visceral experiences I've ever had at a live show. I'm not even sure how long it went on for, but somewhere between 15-20 minutes. I've never felt noise like that before. I took my earplugs out for a few seconds during it, and it sounded like the end of the world.

― Black Gold of the Sun (j-rock), Thursday, 2 October 2008 16:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was there, and as much as I cherish the memories of the shows in '91 and '92 I just wasn't prepared for the being-inside-of-a-continuous-explosion (was reminded of HG Wells' The World Set Free) section of "You Made Me Realise". The whole show is amazing with "Cigarette in Your Bed" a personal highlight.

Glad to hear Sonic rocking the Spacemen 3 jams/covers too ("Suicide" was GREAT).

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh good.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^That sounds like my 18 year old dream come true.
xpost

― Trip Maker, Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ned, I believe you will be pleased to say the least.

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

I trust your judgment on these matters.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ha, well someone on the mybloodyvalentine.net forum says:

"the sound was plain terrible last night. Most of the songs were indistinguishable at first, I couldn't hear Belinda at all, and there were a few technical problems."

But again, compared to the shows I saw in the early 90s (which are among the top 5 shows I've ever seen), this was amazing. Obviously there are different expectations, but I'm not sure how anyone could not be affected by the YMMR section.

One thing I'll say is that I didn't need earplugs for the whole night. I do remember a helium quality to Bilinda's voice that I heard at their SF show long ago that wasn't there, but it's not like anything was "missing".

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also, the songs at first were plainly distinguishable to me.

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

Despite all my cynicism everywhere, I'm really^3 looking forward to the show tonight.

― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

I should clarify that while I didn't need earplugs for the whole night, I certainly needed them for certain parts!!!! They provide them so definitely use them!!!

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 2 October 2008 19:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

I just got earlove earplugs and I'm seing
Tony Conrad, Neptune, The Dead C, Sightings, Earth & Sunn O))) over three days… going to be so glad.

― Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Thursday, 2 October 2008 19:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

Nice, I think those are the same ones made by Etymotics and also sold under the Hearos' brand. They're great because their depth is adjustable depending on how much you want to attenuate.

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 2 October 2008 19:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

I used earplugs only for the YMMR noise section, ears only* rang for about 24 hours post-show.

*I r deaf anywayz.

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 October 2008 20:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Appropriate choice of visual, I think.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

Or this (found on Flickr)

― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

This one too: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iancrogers/2906154417/

― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hahah, all pretty OTM I'd guess.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

One more:

― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

the aforementioned forum is also a pretty good place to hang out if you're curious to hear the isn't anything remaster, so y'all know. i'm only a couple of songs in, but it's really interesting - soft as snow sounds kind of lovelessy. really. i remember forever ago reading an interview where kevin talked about how it'd been compressed, or filtered, somehow, in the process of being mastered, and he'd always wondered what it'd sound like without. it's really upfront and kind of hi-fi, now, central vocals and stuff.

― schlump, Thursday, 2 October 2008 23:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

So I'm crazy enough to try and liveblog this. Keep an eye out. Something'll be up later.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 00:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Better close up of Kevin's effect boards. Bletchley Park scientists not included.

― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 3 October 2008 00:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

So he's using two guitars
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:54 PM (3 months ago)

lolz

one for each song in SF

― ▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒▓▓████▓▓▒▒ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 3 October 2008 05:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Mmmm. Yeah, that was good.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 08:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

less mean sounding than 1992, but waay more colorful visually and aurally.

Really really glad I made the trip down

― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 3 October 2008 09:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Obama/Googe 08

― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 3 October 2008 09:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

You realise, now, every time I think of My Bloody Valentine, I now also get an associated think of Louis Walsh?

― Mark G, Friday, 3 October 2008 09:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

I love the blinding ball of white light. Never was lighting so apt for a band.

(Thanks for the zvex links, too, ooooohhhhh WANT WANT WANT)

― MICROPROG (Masonic Boom), Friday, 3 October 2008 09:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

I deliberately picked the second show because that gives Kevin and the sound guys a day to tweak the sound to best advantage.

This was Elvis T. some days back and my friend ML Compton says that appears to have been the case:

MBV live shows are usually a sonic attack that leaves the audience dazed after the onslaught and this show was certainly that. But the band didn't jell well for the first half of the set. The sound was murkier than usual and just bogged down into a swirling mass of noise, making it hard to distinguish one song from another. But it all came together in the second half and by the final song, "You Made Me Realized", with its seemingly never ending sheets of white noise at the end; I had completely remembered what made this band so great. A good portion of the young audience covered their ears and fled to the exits, but I was in sonic heaven and could have listened to that song, one of the best of all time, all night long.
The second night was a whole different kettle of fish. The sound was great right from the beginning and the set and audience seemed more energetic and attentive to detail. Although it still ended in the same sonic apocalypse, this time it was almost orgasmic in intensity. It was a beautiful thing and I realized that My Bloody Valentine really is one of the best bands ever. I really hope they finish that third album and tour regularly once again.

And yes, as you can read in that link, ML did hear some of those third album tracks a long while back. Lucky bastard.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 16:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

This was an incredibly profound show.

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 3 October 2008 16:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

It was interesting for me to be simultaneously 'in' it and analyzing it, but I think that was about the only way I could react, since I was constantly drawing back connections to 1992. If it had been my first show straight up I think I would be where you're at.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 17:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

In his blog Ned alludes to the this (especially the combo of Spectrum & MBV together) as being a resetting of the clock - both of them being the Year Zero for so many bands that followed in their wake. However, I can't help but notice just how many bands who list MBV and Spacemen 3 in their MySpace profiles completely miss the point - as if all you need for shoegaze glory is 250kg of off-the-rack effects pedals and designer amps. Sure, Shields has the most complex rig I've ever seen on stage anywhere, but it's completely purposeful and not overkill at all for what he's trying to accomplish. Say what you want about the irritations of autistic intensity, but when you finally get the payoff... Holy freaking goddamn shit.

YMMR is difficult for me to articulate in words... I've seen an Apollo Saturn V launch. I've seen the Swans. I've seen Survival Research Lab performances. I once got to see a SR-71 flyby on full afterburner - that gets pretty close to YMMR's total frequency response. Still, there's a lot more going on than just an endless sheet of white noise. It's a structured event with ebbs and flows, an endless acceleration of Shepard Tones (check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone), and enough VLF to affect every whale and nuclear submarine on the planet. It's entirely possible that this was all auditory illusions going on in my head.

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 3 October 2008 17:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

I walked around a bit and did find some sound nodes in the auditorium (think Pelt's set at Terrastock 2) but most of the time I was concentrating on the sound and mostly kept my eyes closed. There were a lot of shell shocked people outside in the hallway - I can't imagine getting stoned or taking anything heavier to this kind of show.

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 3 October 2008 17:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's a structured event with ebbs and flows, an endless acceleration of Shepard Tones (check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone), and enough VLF to affect every whale and nuclear submarine on the planet. It's entirely possible that this was all auditory illusions going on in my head.

I was wondering about that a bit myself, but I'm pretty sure they were real. Fascinating to note. Wished I had done more direct audience observation but what I saw was varied enough.

Photos I took on the fly are now fully edited into the blog piece, along with a couple of song corrections/updates.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 17:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

By the way, ATTENTION ANY OTHER BAND WHO'S THINKING OF REUNITING...

The bar has been set pretty goddamn high here. I can't think of any other band who's taken sixteen years off and have come back sounding as vital as the day they left. The Pixies weren't close. Pink Floyd tried after ten years, but they needed twelve people on stage and still missed it. I loved the Verve reunion, but a good part of that was seeing McCabe again. MBV sounds like a phenomenally great band that's getting ready to work on their next album. I hope they do it.

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 3 October 2008 18:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

they won't...let's be real...

― henry s, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha, is everyone still totally skeptical about future MBV plans? i was wondering myself ... is this it? will they become a regular touring act? actually write/record new music? or just disappear into the bliding white light?

― tylerw, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

blinding

― tylerw, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm incredibly skeptical. But as for the last option:

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Whoops:

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

annnnnd they're gone

― tylerw, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

is everyone still totally skeptical about future MBV plans?

I'm completely skeptical... Even if they did nothing else, I'm just happy that I got a chance to see them.

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 3 October 2008 18:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

ML Compton OTM BTW... The sound on the second night was brilliant.

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 3 October 2008 18:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Very noticeable in small details -- the sound of the drums on "To Here Knows When" for instance, but also the sheer clarity of "Soon." Both times in 1992 they didn't quite get that all over precision-point feeling live.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Some more audio background: http://www.audioprointernational.com/features/53/Lose-yourself-in-sound

Brennan has been doing live sound for the last 20 years, working with bands such as Primal Scream, The Cure, Mogwai and many others. Once he was hired for the MBV tour, he began attending rehearsals to pick out the gear that would be used for the live shows. He says: “I started dropping in on their rehearsals and every time I showed up there was a new guitar amp or some other piece of kit, and I could see the whole show building. We ended up using 78 inputs, and that is not being self-indulgent, we have single mics on each amp and there is nothing I can live without.”
With a strict analog-only mandate for the show imposed by Shields, Brennan decided to use the Midas XL4 as it was his board of choice before he started using digital desks. He also revisited the board while working on the final show of The Cure’s tour last year.
...
“I picked out some really tasty Manley valve compressors to use across Kevin’s guitars and the drums as well as a C2 compressor. The Crush button on the C2 gives us the full stereo mix of the drums. I will never mix drums without one of them again.”
Another piece of outboard that has been essential to the tour is a TC Helicon VoicePro. “It is a great bit of kit because it records the vocal at the output stage in real time, processes it and plays it back in real time so they are kind of like vocal doublers,” says Brennan.
...
“Similar to the Dead’s system, we have a few loudspeakers running specific things like Kevin’s guitars, which is essential because they are such quiet singers, and to get the vocals above the music I have to dedicate some speakers to the vocals. The band is extremely loud, but it is essential to get the vocals out there because they are as strong as any Beach Boys or Beatles melodies.
“I have control over every element of the PA, so during You Made Me Realise I can just turn up a few knobs and the mix comes out of every speaker. It is getting pretty interesting now; we are starting to think about surround sound for the live show. I want to start talking to Shields about putting up some speakers in the back and just fucking with people’s heads for a bit.
“Shields wants people to be surrounded by sound; he does not like the idea of the sound being louder in the front than it is in the back of the room. The live environment is mostly generated by what is coming out of his guitars. It starts out at 30 Hertz and goes up to 20 k; that is the full spectrum of frequencies all the time, and I just simply amplify that.
Brennan insists the excessive sound and noise levels during the shows are not intended merely for an added shock factor. “Shield’s has a total plan; it is totally orchestrated. If you really listen, he is playing little parts and little bits and looping them during You Made Me Realise and still keeping that outrageous noise going. He has a master plan of the journey that he wants to take people on sonically. He knows exactly where he wants it to go, and I put in some sub stuff to add to the dynamics of what is going on.

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 3 October 2008 18:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Both times in 1992 they didn't quite get that all over precision-point feeling live.

If I ever get a chance to talk to Shields, that would be my first question... If 2008 state-of-the-art audio tech has caught up to what he was trying to get at in 1992.

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 3 October 2008 18:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think they'll make a record. they're recording for the rest of this year. i think the configuration of what comes out and when is a bigger question mark than whether it happens or not; they've always wanted to release the old stuff (see buddyhead interview), and there must be enough songs for a new record. their problem wasn't indolence; they could work, but it happened in spasms, and a lot of the time they were spending on loveless was writing the material and experimenting with sounds. we'll see, but i still totally expect to hear something new or new/old next year.

did anyone else hear that isn't anything remaster? listening to that and fondly stroking my t-shirt and memories is exciting enough to keep me entertained for now.

― schlump, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Stop fondly stroking your memories in public

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh wait

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Chris, he should be answering that question for my friend Josh today.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 3 October 2008 19:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

i very much meant stroking my memories.
also: i went to la monte younge's dream house a couple of nights after seeing mbv in ny: kind of similar.

― schlump, Friday, 3 October 2008 19:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

i went to la monte younge's dream house a couple of nights after seeing mbv in ny: kind of similar.

I was thinking of the Dream House also.

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 3 October 2008 20:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

one major difference in ymmr 92 cd 08:
1992: only a white strobe with loud white noise, went on forever
2008: full body spectrum noise, lil less than forever, Tons of colors strobes visuals

1992 was waaay more confrontational i.e. mbv I will kill you
2008 was waaay more disorienting i.e. mbv I will die for you

The part with the yellow lights and the squigglies felt very "about to be". I was irrationally thinking I was dying for that part. Combined with bass that was gripping my throat

― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 3 October 2008 20:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

"about to die" sorry

― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 3 October 2008 20:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

I liked those squigglies. Especially in the flatline state.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 20:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeh. douglas hart's visuals were generally pretty nice. my favourite thing about the lighting has been walking into the venue and feeling like you're inside the loveless sleeve, if they've lit everything up in hyperpink hues.

as regards noise length then and now: it's gone from being about quarter of an hour to just over half; blown a wish and sueisfine have been bumped to accommodate it. i think the apex of the holocaust last time around was forty minutes. i LOVE people trying to document it, with any existing technology. even adjectives can not record its force.

― schlump, Friday, 3 October 2008 21:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think the apex of the holocaust last time around was forty minutes

Thirty-five was what I got at the second 1992 show, so that sounds about right.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 21:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

did you document the '92 show with similar diligence?

― schlump, Saturday, 4 October 2008 01:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Aside from timing the holocaust section, no; my Marooned essay was only written a couple of years back, relying on my memory of the show.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 October 2008 01:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wish I had read this thread (or anything about MBV live show) before Thursday nite. I wasn't prepared for the 15 minute assault at the end. I actually was kind of annoyed (plus, having a head cold didn't help). I hope that reaction isn't too blasphemous around here.

Other than that, was totally blown away.

― MikeyH, Saturday, 4 October 2008 07:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

― eman, Saturday, 4 October 2008 07:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

It helps to know.

You guys that actually got to go, and you guys that listened to a 'recording' without checking the tracklisting.

Did you hear the "Dumm Dumm DummTTT" intro and go "oh shit, it's coming now!!"

― Mark G, Saturday, 4 October 2008 15:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, pretty much. Mackro and I exchanged glances and were all "Well, here we go!"

A friend today who works where I normally get breakfast on Saturday says two friends of hers who went both nights said that the first night the holocaust section was just loud but the second night actually made them throw up.

LA Times review and some more photos.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 October 2008 17:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

it was like the rock concert equivalent of the debut of the Most Xxtreem Ride Ever at Six Flags

― Mackro Mackro, Saturday, 4 October 2008 18:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

That Brennan fella must be deaf by now.

― Any cook should be able to run the country. (Ned Trifle II), Saturday, 4 October 2008 19:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, pretty much. Mackro and I exchanged glances and were all "Well, here we go!"

I knew it was on it's way, but I still shouted out "holy shit" when it kicked in

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 4 October 2008 21:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

The horizontal lines (projected, moving up and down) during the latter half of the "death" part had my brain seeing all kinds of up and down movement that wasn't actually taking place. The amplified bass and kick drum action throughout the show constantly tickled my nostrils. I was sitting in the back. By the combination of the lights and sound I had intermittent hallucinations of the stage literally quaking from all of the vibration. Awesome show.

― Lowell N. Behold'n, Saturday, 4 October 2008 21:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

i was sitting in the bleachers and actually almost fell asleep during the death chord - it was weirdly soothing. that was also the only time i had my earplugs in, so most of the piercing highs were being filtered out. schlumps observation about the lighting and walking into the loveless sleeve otm, set the mood nicely. 'you never should' was particularly great, i liked how the machine gun snare fill part felt like it was in free time before slamming into that next chord. perhaps free time is a bad choice of words, but it felt like they broke out of the tempo of the song for that part each time it happened. best show i've ever been to

― 6335, Sunday, 5 October 2008 02:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

this has been one of the best threads i have ever read, thanks ILM for sharing your experiences!

i saw them twice in Los Angeles back in 1992. didn't think i could do it again but now i'm regretting not going to Santa Monica last Thursday night.

― Bee OK, Sunday, 5 October 2008 03:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

an article on the tour's sucess here: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003870094
i like this part:

But the stage is now set for more touring, and much bigger paydays, at some point down the road. Riley will only say, "With the success of what they've accomplished, I think they'll consider additional dates in the future." Hogan adds, "It would be foolish to not continue. People want to see more of it."

it does make me curious to know whether this tour really energized the band members or changed the way they feel about being My Bloody Valentine ...

― tylerw, Monday, 6 October 2008 14:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt. At this point, they're under no illusions of how Kevin likes to work, let's put it that way.

I do remember that a few years back, in one of the Lost in Translation interviews, he said that when he was asked to do some new songs, ie "City Girl," he said it felt like he was going back to imitate a sound where he wasn't at anymore. Something's changed, obviously -- if I can draw a possible comparison, it reminds me of how the two Bauhaus reunions came about, where the money was a draw from the start but which turned out more to be a starting point than a be-all/end-all.

He told me back in 1995 or whenever it was that the third album was almost ready and the word about the two new albums feels of a piece with that -- the thing to do at this point is to have *no* expectations and just let things happen as they do.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 October 2008 15:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wow, it's so great to read the experiences of this band filtering across the world. Especially the way it seems to be growing and getting more intense... It makes me want to see it again at the END of the tour, as well as having seen the first night.

(OK, not the actual first night - that would have been the ICA warm up gigs which D went to but I didn't.)

Because, having seen it on the first night, I couldn't imagine it getting any better. But it sounds like it has.

Elvis Telecom consistently OTM about teh feel of the sound.

― COOL in ze POOL, HOTT in ze DANCING SPOT (Masonic Boom), Monday, 6 October 2008 15:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

I do enjoy that I've been able to see MBV close out a tour twice in LA, as M. B. sez, wrapping it up seems to bring the best out of them.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 October 2008 15:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

One minor thing I was bummed about -- the T-shirts were all right but nothing stellar. I like my 1992 shirts more!

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 October 2008 15:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I brought money to buy several t-shirts but didn't pick up any as they were really drab.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 6 October 2008 18:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

I thought the two-tone dark blue/darker blue Glider cover shirt was OK (I bought one)

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 6 October 2008 18:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the t-shirts were a bit shite. The scalpers selling bootlegged ones outside the Roundhouse had much better wares.

― Calculus of Rock (Masonic Boom), Monday, 6 October 2008 18:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

tell me, are bootlegged concert shirts these days still covered in glitter?...oh, the Nazareth/Jethro Tull/Blue Oyster Cult seizure-inducing togs of yore!

― henry s, Monday, 6 October 2008 18:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

tell me, are bootlegged concert shirts these days still covered in glitter?

It's not glittery, but my "official" Spacemen 3 shirt I bought at the Spectrum show is silver-print on black. It's terrific!

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 7 October 2008 04:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

the gray women's glider shirt was pretty cool - the pink overtones made it look like it was designed to be seen through 3d glasses. i ended up w/ the turquoise YMMR one, nice color at least.

oh and upthread, the song i was talking about was actually 'nothing much to lose', not 'you never should'

last thing - was anyone else slightly bummed out by some of the main melody lines being sequenced/pre-recorded and not played on guitar? ('i only said', for example) kevin played the woozy lead melody on 'come in alone' and i found myself wishing that they did the same on all of them. 'soon' w/ the spectrum dudes was nice :)

― 6335, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 05:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

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― Mark G, Monday, 13 October 2008 09:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Apparently the remastered version of Loveless has leaked, a two disc set containing the original album and the remaster. Anyone know if it's for real this time, it's finally on it's way? (haven't heard it yet)

― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 10 January 2009 15:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'll investigate, but the isn't anything remaster was amazing

― schlump, Saturday, 10 January 2009 17:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

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― schlump, Saturday, 10 January 2009 18:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

> Apparently the remastered version of Loveless has leaked, a two disc set containing the original album and the remaster.

promos were sent out to journalists for the original re-release date in the summer, see post upthread here:

The Return Of My Bloody Valentine

was a piece in the guardian on friday about loud gigs which, of course, mentioned mbv. can't find it online though.

― koogs, Saturday, 10 January 2009 19:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

was a piece in the guardian on friday about loud gigs which, of course, mentioned mbv. can't find it online though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jan/09/rock-my-bloody-valentine-tinnitus

follow up letters here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jan/10/hearing-damage-music-gigs

wtf is an oblique?

― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Saturday, 10 January 2009 20:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ah, figured it out. Schlump, you don't have those Isn't Anything remasters do you?

― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Saturday, 10 January 2009 20:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

i thought they were returning as a crappy slasher flick

― Goodnight, Mr. Johnson. (country matters), Saturday, 10 January 2009 20:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

ban me

― Goodnight, Mr. Johnson. (country matters), Saturday, 10 January 2009 20:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

In 3-D!

― Shmutchered at Shmirth (J3ff T.), Saturday, 10 January 2009 21:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

O man, if only that movie really were a 3D MBV performance (if goddam U2 can do it, hey, why not?)

― Pain don't hurt. (Pillbox), Saturday, 10 January 2009 21:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

I actually nearly tricked a friend of mine into going to see that with me by telling him that it was.

― Shmutchered at Shmirth (J3ff T.), Saturday, 10 January 2009 21:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

If you had been able to trick him, would you have actually gone to the film? It probably does suck, but having seen Beowulf last year, I'm of the opinion that the spectacle of digital 3-D alone is probably worth the admission price for any shitty film it happens to be applied to.

― Pain don't hurt. (Pillbox), Saturday, 10 January 2009 21:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I still plan on going. I am all for 3-D slasher films. But it's probably not going to be as awesome (to get back to the subject) as an MBV concert film in 3-D would be.

― Shmutchered at Shmirth (J3ff T.), Saturday, 10 January 2009 22:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

here i was digging around for i.a., out of the kindness of my heart for a perfect stranger - i didn't see that it was for you, whatisup jona.

― schlump, Saturday, 10 January 2009 22:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ta Mark. Everything's good, like.

Anyway. MBV keep returning but no-one seems that bothered this year. They're playing Primavera in Barcelona (twice!, like what Portishead did last year, once outdoors and once indoors. Not sure what a fully seated indoor MBV gig would be like), and even that hasn't convinced me that I can really afford to go again.

― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Sunday, 11 January 2009 12:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

i thought it was pretty interesting that they're touring again; it means wheeling out their big p.a., which they mightn't do for just a couple of shows. they were set to record at the end of last year, so it's nice that they're doing things. i'd be surprised if they did another round of the same kind of touring, in the same places.

― schlump, Sunday, 11 January 2009 16:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Looks like MBV is hitting Coachella this year (same night as Throbbing Gristle, oooh!) ... I definitely am not going, but, er, what are the chances of them doing more US dates around the same time? In Denver, maybe? Pleeze? With Throbbing Gristle? The chances are REALLY GOOD, right?

― tylerw, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was wondering that myself. I presume no other 'official' SoCal appearance given how festival booking works. I'll be at EMP so I'll miss it, that said if this appearance means new songs, then I'll be jealous as hell. Damn glad I caught the earlier LA show!

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

connecticut? yeah probably not

― k3vin k., Friday, 30 January 2009 16:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk played a show in Denver a couple days before they played Coachella last year, so I'm crossing my fingers ...

― tylerw, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Having missed them last year, due to truly unfortunate circumstances, I am willing to travel. Please come back, Kev.

― Ricky Apples (Pillbox), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh the irony if MBV finally come to Seattle just before or after Ned is here for EMP Pop Music Conference

― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

What, so Mike McG and I can both miss the show and compare non-notes? :-D

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 January 2009 17:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well, if the MBV come to the PacNW, I think there would be a Portland show. Although, many shows with more appreciate Portland fans have been Seattle-only, so I dunno. I kinda figure Portland is as much as shoegazer haven as it is a rivethead/goth haven.

― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 30 January 2009 19:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

GREAT story on MBV by occasional ILM lurker Josh Glazer in the coachella online mag (which is kind of annoying to navigate, but has some good articles)

http://www.coachelladigital.com/

I didn't have to enter anything to view it.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

which is kind of annoying to navigate

130mb offline or 7mb offline PDF versions available though. downloading the latter now

― Bernard's Butter (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh hell yes: http://pitchfork.com/news/34818-my-bloody-valentine-announce-us-tour/
A Denver date! :D

― tylerw, Thursday, 12 March 2009 15:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

which is kind of annoying to navigate

No shit. Is there really no "export text" option? Whatever the future of traditional print media might be: this isn't it.

― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 12 March 2009 15:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh damn, a Seattle date on April 27th right near downtown.

― bacon = bad for the face + magic for the moobs (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 12 March 2009 15:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

And it looks like the last U.S. date for MBV for the time being too

― bacon = bad for the face + magic for the moobs (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 12 March 2009 15:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

so is this band worth checking out?

― tylerw, Thursday, 12 March 2009 15:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

kidding!

― tylerw, Thursday, 12 March 2009 15:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just got mah tickets for the Austin show! Much cheaper than Leonard Cohen.

― f. hazel, Thursday, 12 March 2009 18:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^ me toooooo

― Marrakesh and Ashley Olsen (m bison), Thursday, 12 March 2009 23:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Really where are you playing? I'm sick of paying for overpriced Leonard Cohen tickets.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 12 March 2009 23:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

so is this band worth checking out?

dunno, are you into classic rock?

― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Thursday, 12 March 2009 23:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

"It's Freedom Shoegaze, man!"

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 March 2009 23:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

the show is in 3-D right?

― tylerw, Thursday, 12 March 2009 23:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just got mah tickets for the Austin show! Much cheaper than Leonard Cohen.
― f. hazel, Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:15 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^^ me toooooo
― Marrakesh and Ashley Olsen (m bison), Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:22 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

Me three! See you guys in the pit?

― ilxor, Friday, 13 March 2009 03:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's going to be much sweatier than the Leonard Cohen pit.

― f. hazel, Friday, 13 March 2009 05:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

But oh so much sweeter.

― ilxor, Friday, 13 March 2009 05:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just got mah tickets for the Austin show! Much cheaper than Leonard Cohen.
― f. hazel, Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:15 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^^ me toooooo
― Marrakesh and Ashley Olsen (m bison), Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:22 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

I read that as 'bison is much cheaper than Leonard Cohen'

― Mark G, Friday, 13 March 2009 07:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think Alex in SF did as well!

― f. hazel, Friday, 13 March 2009 08:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

i am much cheaper, for one i will play for arcade tokens, which i am fairly certain cohen would not (95% confidence interval)

― Marrakesh and Ashley Olsen (m bison), Saturday, 14 March 2009 02:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

i am seriously seriously considering buying a ticket for this

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 14 March 2009 02:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

BIG HOOS you seriously seriously have to go, it's one of the best shows you'll see in your life and if not I'll personally refund your ticket after the show.

― ilxor, Saturday, 14 March 2009 04:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

hoos you shd go, i am meeting two all-time bros as well as my actual irl bro, it is going to be a night for stories and tinnitus

― Marrakesh and Ashley Olsen (m bison), Saturday, 14 March 2009 20:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

and you can finally replace your threadbare girl lying in the grass with knife t-shirt!

― f. hazel, Saturday, 14 March 2009 22:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Morley and I got our tixxxx for SEA

― She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 19 March 2009 04:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's like they're a band you want to see or something.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 March 2009 05:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

cum on see the noise
the waves rock the boys
and they BLURRRGH BLUUUURGH BLURRRGH
on the FLOOOOR FLOOOR FLOOOOOR

― She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 19 March 2009 05:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

god, 105 for two tickets. WTF

― Morley Timmons, Thursday, 19 March 2009 05:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

"vintage volume"

― She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 19 March 2009 05:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

so my buddy is flying from LA to SF to see Throbbing Gristle and then flying out the next day to see MBV with me in Denver! The things some people will do to avoid Coachella ... :D

― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 22:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

god, 105 for two tickets. WTF

that's how much it is for ONE ticket to David Byrne here in June (not going to that), so it almost seems reasonable!

― akm, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 23:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally braved the super shitty livenation site and bought tix for the Denver show. (thanks for reminding me, livenation, why i rarely go to concerts these days). SO EXCITED.

― tylerw, Friday, 3 April 2009 23:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

HOOS do you have a ticket yet?

― ilxor, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Guys, if you haven't seen them yet you're in for a real fucking treat. I flew out to NY last fall and they were out of this world. Just spellbinding, fucking incredible music. Transfixing.

― ilxor, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

shut up, just shut the fuck up.

― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

(btw, if anyone is willing to cover airfare costs to an MBV-specific location for a really nice, poor individual, there's a kidney in it for you)

― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

Where do you live and where are you going to?

― ilxor, Saturday, 4 April 2009 06:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

;-)

― ilxor, Saturday, 4 April 2009 06:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

flights to denver are pretty cheap these days. just sayin.

― tylerw, Saturday, 4 April 2009 14:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm shocked that the Seattle show hasn't sold out yet. Have they sold out in other cities?

― van smack, Monday, 6 April 2009 02:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

don't even think they sold out LA ... crowded, but not sold out.

― tylerw, Monday, 6 April 2009 02:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Have they sold out in other cities?

Not in Austin, but they're playing a 3,000 person venue. The next smallest is 1,200 which would be sold out in a flash, soooo... not expecting it to sell out, maybe 1,500 to 2,000 people at the show in a couple weeks. Doubt it will sell out, though.

― ilxor, Monday, 6 April 2009 03:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

as stated in that The Cure tread: i have, through work in Los Angeles, come across people associated with Coachella. i asked, someone very high up in the My Bloody Valentine camp if were are to get a new album and he said, something to the effect of, "we are guaranteed new music by My Bloody Valentine."

― Bee OK, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 03:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was going to post that a "secret" LA show is scheduled for the El Rey this Thursday night but I ended up reading this thread over again. Great stuff!

Here's the link: http://thescenestar.typepad.com/ss/2009/04/my-bloody-valentine-to-play-precoachella-show-at-the-el-rey.html

Tickets go on sale tomorrow (Tuesday) morning at 10am.

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 06:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I still can't quite get my head around the fact that I'm going to see MBV three times in six months - and that one of the shows is mere walking distance from my apt.

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 06:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

heh heh, my friend who lives in LA is probably kicking himself -- he's flying out here for the Denver show! oh well, it'll be totally fun. He'll probably go to the El Rey show anyway.

― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

I still can't quite get my head around the fact that I'm going to see MBV three times in six months - and that one of the shows is mere walking distance from my apt

Crazy feeling, isn't it. I'll be missing Thursday, I'll be up at EMP -- seeing them in October means I don't have screaming jealousy per se but I *will* be sad if they end up playing some new songs, which I suspect will be the case. Oh well, wait on the full album and tour for that, then.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

would be nuts if they played new stuff ... what do you think -- will it be things from the "lost" follow-up to Loveless? Or totally new stuff? I'd assume the former, but who know ...

― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

If anything I would assume the latter.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, maybe. just seems like Shields is ummm not the most prolific songwriter, so he might rely on already-written stuff. But I guess the lost record is rumored to be all drum n bass-y? So that might not work.

― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Like I said upthread I'd be totally happy if they began the set by announcing "This is a song we stopped working on in 1994" and broke into a half-hour of demolition jungle.

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

My fear would by they'd say "This is a song we stopped working on in 1998" rather than 94.

― caek, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

or maybe "This is a song we wrote hurriedly last night, because we found out our booking agent promised the Coachella people new music."

― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

or "this is our tribute to Elton John"...

― Mark G, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 06:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

Interview with Shields here: http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Blogs/Music?oid=oid%3A767977

OTR: Did you try out any new material?

KS: Not much, no, to be honest. We’re still working in the past. Even all the work I’ve done in the studio this year has largely been finishing off that record from the late Nineties.

OTR: Is that close to completion?

KS: Closer. At the time I was working on it there were about 15 to 17 tracks and there were only six or eight that I was really sure of. I was going through the process of actually narrowing it down and working on stuff and going, "You know what, this isn’t really working." Now the 11 tracks that are all going to on the record are clear. There was a reasonable amount of false starts ‘cause it’s basically half-done. It was half-made. It’s a weird process, sort of, restarting a record from such a long time ago. I had to be quite natural with it and not to rush it.

― tylerw, Thursday, 16 April 2009 19:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

> not to rush it

lol

― koogs, Thursday, 16 April 2009 20:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

don't rush it, kev

― tylerw, Thursday, 16 April 2009 20:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

Y'know I really love MBV and all, and that's an interesting interview but the whole "we make no money" thing is getting pretty old. By my reckoning they sold over 20,000 tickets on the uk tour last year, sold out every show, and all Shields can do is say they ended up in debt. Meh. And as for "I had to be quite natural with it and not to rush it", all I can think of is:

How you uh, how you comin' on that novel you're working on? Huh? Gotta a big, uh, big stack of papers there? Gotta, gotta nice little story you're working on there? Your big novel you've been working on for 3 years? Huh? Gotta, gotta compelling protagonist? Yeah? Gotta obstacle for him to overcome? Huh? Gotta story brewing there? Working on, working on that for quite some time? Huh? (voice getting higher pitched) Yea, talking about that 3 years ago. Been working on that the whole time? Nice little narrative? Beginning, middle, and end? Some friends become enemies, some enemies become friends? At the end your main character is richer from the experience? Yeah? Yeah? (voice returns to normal) No, no, you deserve some time off.

― Bill A, Thursday, 16 April 2009 20:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

well, i dunno, he says they spent $600,000 just getting ready to tour ... You think they've profited that much (after paying road crew, etc.)? I'm asking, I actually have no idea.

― tylerw, Thursday, 16 April 2009 20:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Nah, I'm just crabby over Kev's whining and lack of actual ability to even get the remasters out. By the sound of it they must have got a real bung from Coachella, which would have made it worthwhile. And, in honesty, they did sound *incredible* in Manchester last year so if the bulk was spent on equipment then fair enough and that expense obviously gets offset the more shows they play.

― Bill A, Thursday, 16 April 2009 20:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

no, i know what you mean -- it is odd for him to still be harping on the lack of touring funds for a brief US tour that took place in 1992 ... Does seem like he (rightfully) harbors some pretty serious grudges against the music industry in general -- the idea of them not making any $$ of of US sales of Loveless is wacky.

― tylerw, Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

the idea of them not making any $$ of of US sales of Loveless is wacky.

But not surprising for ~1992 era sales/touring economics.

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, but over the span of 16 years -- surely they'd have worked off any record company debt, esp. with the album growing in stature over those years? Maybe I'm naive about that.

― tylerw, Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Since I don't have access to SoundScan data, I have no idea how many copies Loveless sold in the US. Less than 500,000, I guess, because it hasn't gone gold yet, has it? I would say, however, that even though tons of music nerds know and love MBV, the vast VAST majority of people in the U.S. have never heard of them.

― ZS1983 (Z S), Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

In other words, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't make much money at all on Loveless, considering the cost of recording it.

― ZS1983 (Z S), Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, it can't have sold more than 500k -- way less, I imagine. but how much would it take for them to break even? maybe they got a ginormous advance or something. and spent it all on pedals.

― tylerw, Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

So is there actually an opening band for this tour or what?

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

was there one last tour? nothing listed in any of the ads out here ...

― tylerw, Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

was there one last tour?

Spectrum and Gemma Hayes

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

I have no idea how many copies Loveless sold in the US. Less than 500,000, I guess, because it hasn't gone gold yet, has it? I would say, however, that even though tons of music nerds know and love MBV, the vast VAST majority of people in the U.S. have never heard of them.

Copy/pasting from the Wikipedia page...

Loveless peaked at number 24 on the British album charts, and failed to chart in the United States, where it was distributed by Sire Records. In 2003 Rolling Stone estimated the sales figures for Loveless as 225,000 copies sold.

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

WWAAARRGGGGGGHHHHH!

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 17 April 2009 07:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

So is there actually an opening band for this tour or what?

Kurt Heasley from the Lilys opened up tonight. Not sure if he's on for the whole tour.

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 17 April 2009 07:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 17 April 2009 08:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

jealous as fuck

― buttslam is a pretty good move (circa1916), Friday, 17 April 2009 08:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

If the October shows were like seeing the Grand Canyon for the first time and trying to take it all in - tonight was being able to finally see the details. The sound wasn't quite the same total annihilation as the SMCC show was, but more distinct... I could pick out Deb's bass lines and even hear all the vocals well. Overall the band was loose, false starting a couple times, occasionally smiling, and totally fucking killing it with the power of an asteroid strike. Deb & Colm utterly breathtaking - cool to hear them get as many shout out as Kevin and Blinda.

Some choice bits with the audience:

Shouting Audience Guy: LOUDER!
Kevin: ok
Shouting Audience Guy: NO, LIKE SHATTER MY EARDRUMS LOUDER!
Kevin: ok

Another Shouting Audience Guy: FUCK THE EARPLUGS
Kevin: no, please don't fuck the earplugs

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 17 April 2009 08:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

More photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/quartzcity/sets/72157616906370706/

I can't wait 'till Sunday!

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 17 April 2009 08:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Great photos!

― Bill A, Friday, 17 April 2009 09:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah those photos are awesome!

― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 17 April 2009 10:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Heheh, lovely. But were there any new songs played?

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 April 2009 14:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

excited! one week!

― tylerw, Friday, 17 April 2009 14:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

Brightblack Morning Light are opening in Seattle and Denver.

― jaybabcock, Friday, 17 April 2009 14:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

cool! mighta preferred Kurt Heasley, but BML are good too. :)

― tylerw, Friday, 17 April 2009 14:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Who's opening in Austin/Dallas? Any word yet?

― ilxor, Friday, 17 April 2009 18:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

But I was there.

I was there in 2008.

I was there at the first My Bloody Valentine show in Monticello.

I'm losing my edge.

― ilxor, Saturday, 18 April 2009 15:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 19 April 2009 18:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

"in the middle of a Gulf war"!!!

― one thousand BIG HOOS raging and pounding (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 19 April 2009 18:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Herman, first article especially is a great read!

― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 19 April 2009 18:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

It is once you expand it :)

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 19 April 2009 18:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

caek.css

― caek, Sunday, 19 April 2009 19:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Changed my life

― ZS1983 (Z S), Sunday, 19 April 2009 19:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Right click, view image. It's not that complicated.

― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

i know

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090421/en_nm/us_music_coachella
By Darryl Morden Darryl Morden – 1 hr 20 mins ago
The Cure followed the highly anticipated My Bloody Valentine, which was bloody loud to the point of clearing nearly three-quarters of the field during a closing, seemingly endless white-noise drone. The band's earlier reined-in songs with actual melodies buried beneath the feedback architecture, still at painfully high volume if you were too close -- and that meant thousands of feet away.

Much more engaging were the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, whose Karen O is one of the most appealing rock frontwomen to surface since Chrissie Hynde. From thumpy struts to surging, hooky tunes, she charmed the crowd with self-effacing antics, warmth and plenty of smiles.

haaa

― 6335, Tuesday, 21 April 2009 05:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

What are they odds they might play more US east coast shows around the time of All Points West?

I really want to see them badly, to the point where I'm willing to spend the extra money and get surrounded by sweat and discomfort and claustrophobia and misery throughout 5 sets from bands that I don't want to see at all.. plus the fact that there will be Tool fans in the crowd who will probably hate MBV..

But given the option I would just rather see them play on their own.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 21 April 2009 06:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

OK, Austin team. You've had 24 hours. Report in!

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 23 April 2009 06:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

i just read mcgonigal's book. i wish i liked this band more.

i saw em at atp and left before the 14-minute drone piece and now i really want to see them do that somewhere else because it sounds way, way, way up my alley.

Are they still doing that in live shows?

I left in the middle to go upstairs and watch Eyes Without A Face in the Criterion lounge instead... And then fell asleep on the floor in the middle of that!

― Get Bape. Wear Bape. Fly, (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2009 06:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Are they still doing that in live shows?

Rather.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 April 2009 06:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

How long have their sets been on this tour?

― van smack, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 01:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

i drove up to the austin show last week, set was abt 1:20 or so. noise wall was breathtaking. i brought some bitchin earplugs that were probably cutting 20 db and it was still almost at the pain threshold during this part. like my arm hair was standing up but not from goosebumps, but because it was little tiny sound winds propping them up, it was tight.

― hammurabi's chode (m bison), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 01:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

OK, Austin team. You've had 24 hours. Report in!

It was noisy and exhilarating and fucking LOUD.

Pretty much the same 14-15 song set as ATP New York last year.

The holocaust bit was about 13 minutes, seemed shortened...

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 03:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

the longest they held it was 40 minutes at one of the london shows...because kevin saw someone yawning on the front row and thought he deserved more punishment.

― Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 07:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Why on earth would anyone want to go and see a gig where the USP seems to be how painful it is on your ears?

― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 09:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was supposed to be the 'whole body experience', I dunno.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 09:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Why on earth would anyone want to go and see a gig where the USP seems to be how painful it is on your ears?

Maybe I'm just a doofus here, but sometimes I want to feel the music rather than just hear it.

If anything, uncapped volume is certainly preferable to standing next to a bunch of chatterboxes in the crowd.

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 09:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

You get a whole body experience of there being bass frequencies, though, not just huge volume. "Uncapped volume" to me screams "dangerous, hearing-ruination treble". Obviously this may not actually be the case, but certainly my attraction to Loveless and Isn't Anything is about the nuance of the noise, which, at "uncapped volume" I'm not imagining I'd get.

― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 09:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well, I thoroughly enjoyed the MBV bootleg of recent origin, which I played in the car at 'quite loud' volume.

I don't know if I would be prepared to put myself into the arena now, seeing as I've managed to get to 48 and not get tinnitis.

Back in the day, when I was first 'going out' w/ my wife, there was the J&MC/MBV/(DinosaurJr?) triple-headliner playing, local to her. Being a J&MC fan, I was tempted to travel up and go with her, but decided not to subject her to that as some sort of 'initiation'. (Instead, we both went to see Sultans of Ping as our first shared gig experience, a band neither of us had seen before, and that proved to be the right one)..

Still. What NS said, inasmuch as I'd add "I might well have got the experience, but at the risk of not getting it and getting (or losing) something I need? errmmm"

― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 10:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and the Remasters look like being out in June now.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 10:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

> J&MC/MBV/(DinosaurJr?) triple-headliner playing

rollercoaster tour? with blur also? march / april 1992
http://members.tripod.com/~bloobf/concert_chronology.html

― koogs, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 10:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

03/27/92 Whitley Bay, UK Ice Rink
other bands: The Jesus and Mary Chain, My Bloody Valentine and Blur

That's the bunny!

― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 10:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

I occasionally experience something akin to tinnitus, and am pretty sure it's probably with me at a very low level all the time. I'm not risking my hearing and all the pleasure it brings me for this. No way.

― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 10:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

As received last night from Donut Mackro in Seattle, who asked me to pass this on:

Brightblack morning light = suicide gone santana? Band ignite live = FAIL
some Lilys guy did acoustic set too. WhhhyyyYYYY???
Mbv - PHWRAAAAOOR. Best "sound" yet.
Did similar set. Coupla old songs they did new live compared to last
years show.
Before YMMR, Bilinda is sad. "we have to go home after this... Thank
you so much" big cheers
MBVocaust : 18 minutes 32 seconds. Superloud but sexyloud. Felt sound
in arms, mouth, groin. no seizures. People really happy.
I go outside. No ambulances. Everyone is super YAY! Nice note to end
it on. Nice nite too!
YAY
I luv my mbv.
The end

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

Why was everything except live clips taken off youtube? (and YMMR is still there which was titled "Realise" by whoever posted it)

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 13:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

y'know, the "holocaust" thing in Denver was awesome and intense, but the most transcendent moment for me was the long outro of "Soon" -- like the VU trancing out on "What Goes On", pure locked in sound. was expecting that my ears'd still be ringing for days afterwards, but I actually didn't notice it too much. maybe this is a bad sign for the state of my hearing.

― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 14:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

my buddy taped the show on his cheap walkman recorder. we played some of the holocaust section on the drive home -- sounded like static on the radio. or something we could sell to Aquarius Records on limited edition cassette as the latest awesome underground noize band.

― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 14:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

was expecting that my ears'd still be ringing for days afterwards, but I actually didn't notice it too much. maybe this is a bad sign for the state of my hearing.

You know... my ears were ringing for about a week after ATP New York, but hardly at all after Austin the other night. Not sure why, I used earplugs about half the show at each one...

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 15:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

used earplugs for the whole show, but just the ones they provided at the door.

― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 16:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

but the most transcendent moment for me was the long outro of "Soon" -- like the VU trancing out on "What Goes On", pure locked in sound

yeah - the build up of constituent parts of that song and then them all just caving in and combining at the end, vocals and the sample and guitars. it is too much!

― corps of discovery (schlump), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 16:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Kevin Shields is my Friendster.
Kevin Shields
Member Since May 2003
Last Login 01/06/2004
Gender:
Male
Interested in
Meeting People for:
Friends, Activity Partners
Status:
Single
Age:
40
Occupation:
Recording artist & dyslexia spokesman
Location:
United Kingdom
Hometown:
Long Island, NY and Dublin, Ireland
Interests:
Rearranging my recording studio, bankrupting record labels, the hypnagogic state, gourmet meals, martial arts, breeding chinchillas, smoking lots of dope, watching lots of TV, easy projects, writing fresh and simple material, and just keeping it simple!
Favorite Music:
Beach Boys, Burt Bacharach, Beatles, Public Enemy, Sonic Youth, Ramones
Favorite TV Shows:
Just about anything, really.
About Me:
You may have heard of my band, My Bloody Valentine. Many critics have written about us in very flowery terms. I don't think I understood what they were saying in those reviews half the time. That guy from Phish loves me guitar sounds though. Do me a favor and buy my Lost in Translation soundtrack. Island Records isn't helping me out much these days. Also kids, don't forget to buy our box set that's coming out in early '04.
Who I Want to Meet:
Great recording effects designers, more film directors, those with good weed, record labels who understand my fondness for expensive food and all of the time I like to spend in and out of the studio. Just remember... I NO LONGER DO REMIXES!
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, January 6, 2004 8:45 PM (5 years ago)

Classic beyond belief.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 03:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's so "it could actually be real"...

(I saw Nick's got a novel out!)

― Mark G, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 06:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

release date: 17-8-2009

― Mark G, Monday, 13 July 2009 14:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Come on now, there is no 17th month. This is obviously made up.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 13 July 2009 14:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

― thank you, flipper, for nickelback (country matters), Monday, 13 July 2009 14:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

I know dude, I was just kidding (and implying the release date won't hold water, regardless).

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 13 July 2009 14:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

So I'm never gonna see them. That's just great.

― billstevejim, Saturday, 1 August 2009 06:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

What, did they officially go back on hiatus?

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 August 2009 14:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

no but their last US show for a while is today at all points west which i cannot attend.

― billstevejim, Saturday, 1 August 2009 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

dont worry i'm sure there will be more US dates at some point. next stop for them is our fest, Kevin hinted
in an interview a while back they may debut some new material and possibly a different lineup. which would be exciting. pretty much sold out and not in the US though:
http://www.atpfestival.com/Events/Nightmare2009.php

― Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 2 August 2009 13:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

different lineup is not exciting, that sucks!

― akm, Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

expanded lineup i should say! he mentioned adding new people to the current lineup to expand the sound

― Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

Turntablists, a gospel choir and someone on didgeridoo.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

As long as it's not Bobby Gillespie to "return the favour" it'll be ok. Maybe a return of flautist from Loveless tour?

― Bill A, Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

interpretive noise dancers

― the heart is a lonely hamster (schlump), Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

a ragga MC?

that would be make slightly less meh about the atp line up.

― my opinionation (Hamildan), Sunday, 2 August 2009 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

flautist?...what the...flautist?!...I seen 'em twice on the Loveless tour, and I ain't seen no flautist!

― henry s, Sunday, 2 August 2009 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

henry, you made me wonder if I had a false memory event, but no:

Anna Quimby: MBV's flautist

when I saw them at Birmingham Institute for the Loveless tour she dealt with the high <ahem> flutey sample sounds that are all over the album. Did you see them in the UK or elsewhere, maybe she didn't tour overseas?

― Bill A, Sunday, 2 August 2009 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

high-fallutin' samples

― the heart is a lonely hamster (schlump), Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

A litany of humorous comments from Tool fans regarding MBV's live performance (apparently, they had to sit through MBV to see Tool immediately afterward at All Points West NY this weekend):

Fuser0118 (1 day ago)
these people sucked!!
brohan914 (23 hours ago)
I was there, and I didn't really get these guys
PiePie1992 (22 hours ago)
This band sucked ass.
HoboCabbage (17 hours ago)
i guess im not artsy enough to enjoy this, i thought it sounded like a wall of suck
dancingshoesx505 (17 hours ago)
This band was awful! They just made a shitload of crap noise and you couldn't even hear them sing. On top of that they looked like zombies!!!
nobody wanted to see their shitty performance!
PiePie1992 (28 minutes ago)
I also liked Gogol Bordello and The Arctic Monkeys. Leading into it I thought I would enjoy MBV. Guess not.
But you're right, I'm a Tool fan, I'm just a closed minded dickhead.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 3 August 2009 17:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

Those are from YouTube, btw.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 3 August 2009 17:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

shocker

― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Monday, 3 August 2009 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

Few forms are discourse are lower than the YouTube comment.

― kshighway, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like Lateralus, but Tool's entire discography doesn't even come close to what MBV accomplished with Loveless.

― kshighway, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

One half-decent MBV picture from All Points West on P4K: http://pitchfork.com/news/36093-report-all-points-west-liberty-state-park-nj-073109-080209/

― kshighway, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

One friend told me a decent amount of Tool fans had their middle fingers in the air from the 2-3 minute point of the "noise wall" onward.

― billstevejim, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

How surprising!

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

I wonder if their arms got tired.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

funny, i only know one heavy Tool fan, and he loves MBV.

― tylerw, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tool's drummer should have soloed over the noise bit.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is it the poster immediately before you? xp

― the hubby space veggiescope (country matters), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

funny, i only know one heavy Tool fan, and he loves MBV

Yeah I'm a little surprised at there being such a huge audience split -- a little, not completely. Sure seems like a lot of newer metal bands love both equally. (Cue Chuck E. posting about why said love is the problem with modern metal...)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

hee hee, Tool just played a big festival out here, and I think they went on after .... Widespread Panic. Wonder if there were any middle fingers during that set.

― tylerw, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tool fans are an insular, tribal sort. I bet it had less to do with MBV and more to do with the fact that it was not Tool.

Anyone know how Tool fans reacted to King Crimson, Isis, Meshuggah and other past opening acts?

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

― tylerw, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

maybe not though ... might be a different thing if it's a festival setting or if it's a band that the mighty Tool have deigned worthy to open for them.

― tylerw, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

btw, MBV were pretty excellent last night at the Way Out West festival in Göteborg, Sweden.

― ConnieXX, Sunday, 16 August 2009 10:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

I saw tool once b/c a friend had an extra ticket she couldn't get rid of. Tomahawk opened for them. There was a lot of heckling and middle fingers, but I'm not sure how much of that was because Mike Patton wouldn't stop insulting the audience and hoe much was because tool fans are dicks.
ps-tool were boring. The only show I've ever fallen asleep at.

― Fetchboy, Sunday, 16 August 2009 12:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

So, as the "wall" is part of the last song, were the tool fans fingerhappy during the rest of the set?

― Mark G, Monday, 17 August 2009 10:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere (it would take forever to check all the MBV posts on all the threads):

http://onethirtybpm.com/2009/07/16/mp3s-three-unreleased-my-bloody-valentine-songs/

― Teh Movable Object (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

tweets outta atp: MBV are playing Sometimes. Oh my goodness something aaargh

― rap band (schlump), Friday, 4 December 2009 23:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Things yelled at Kevin during ATP set, and Kevin's reply:

"Play new stuff!"
(away from the mic but still remotely audioble) "no"

"Honey Power"
"ok"

"Loomer"
"cant remember the tuning"

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 4 January 2010 01:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

ha ha i think that may have been my companion shouting for loomer

― Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

new album out tomorrow!

― Hyper Rescue Troop (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 March 2011 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

keep watching

― poll: who is your favorite rice krispie? (kelpolaris), Monday, 21 March 2011 19:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

for the active mom, read this!:
http://www.artrocker.tv/news/article/kevin-shields-joins-the-charlatans-at-london-gig

― poll: who is your favorite rice krispie? (kelpolaris), Monday, 21 March 2011 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait what they're actually putting a new album out?

― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait being the operative word.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

no they are not actually putting a new album out.

― Love, M.D. (electricsound), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

A new album you say?

― United Are Back (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 12:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

this new album is terrible

― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 April 2011 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

dunno i think it's a real return to form

― tylerw, Friday, 1 April 2011 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

You guys know that this is just his pseudonym/fake band, right?

― ToeJam & Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 1 April 2011 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fwiw the RDS alb is super rad.

― billstevejim, Friday, 1 April 2011 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes, I know. Because it's MBV.

― ToeJam & Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 1 April 2011 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

They've aged well.

― billstevejim, Friday, 1 April 2011 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think they're just masters of disguise.

― light...sweet...crude (Sanpaku), Friday, 1 April 2011 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

That fake looking moustache isn't fooling anyone.

― light...sweet...crude (Sanpaku), Friday, 1 April 2011 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...

wat

We are very proud to announce the re-mastered versions of Loveless and Isn't Anything are due for release on Monday 7th May.
We will also be releaseing a brand new compilation, EP's 1988-1991, which will include the 4 EP's from that period, plus other rare and previously unreleased tracks. Stay tuned for more.... MBV.

― all things must pass (shaane), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Please note, no year specified.

― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

ooh, 3 unreleased tracks, Angel, Good for You, How Do You Do It (are these the same as those Kevin/Belinda/Cowboy songs from a while back?)

― zappi, Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp lol. also, 'releasing' is spelled wrong so they were obviously hacked.

― all things must pass (shaane), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://thequietus.com/articles/08327-my-bloody-valentine-reissues

― Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

sooner than you think

http://www.sonymusic.ie/news/my-bloody-valentine-new-releases-friday-4th-may

― mark e, Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Sugar" is so amazing - its the wooziest song ever. glad it will finally see a proper release.

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 22 March 2012 16:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

will buy everything

sweet lawd

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 22 March 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

These will prob be the first legit new CDs I have bought for like a year

― Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

EP's

― grimes - (the elder scrolls iv:) oblivion (diamonddave85), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

no vinyl

― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh, but you haven't seen that interview shields did not too recently tho, no? he emphasized his love for vinyl and how premium packaging would be in the vinyl. or that he would package cd's with the vinyl rather than have a "lesser" version. something along those lines. might be found up-thread.

altho i imagine it'll follow standard formatting: cd version, vinyl version

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

wait - what didn't i read?

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

I read that interview, he was referring to his own label, not to Sony.

― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

would buy vinyl version with CD included, love it when bands do that (school of seven bells, M83)

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

darn darn.

still kinda bewildered sony both has an irish adjunct and that mbv has chosen this. i thought shields & co. all lived in london at this point?

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

am i right in thinking this must be the only thing NOT on these that came out in the 90s?

― piscesx, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

also their cover of map ref 41N 93W

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

does it have the track they did with mark eitzel reading something from that red hot comp?

― akm, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Incidental One"

― all things must pass (shaane), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

and "Incidental Peace" with Skylab

― all things must pass (shaane), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

The Wire cover really really should be on there as well.

― Venga, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd like a good copy of "2" while we're asking.

― all things must pass (shaane), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also the remix of "Soon" is missing

― Mark G, Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

This just in from Kevin Shields: "I had forgotten about that Wire cover. Going to delay the reissues for a year or two so I can remaster it."

― tylerw, Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, "2" from la la la human steps would be da bomz

fwiw, i think mbv's cover of map reference is one of the greatest covers of all time. not just because i'm a fan, but b/c it epitomizes what a cover really and truly should be

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

mmm, Lovetone Meatball.

― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 23:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Unicorns are real

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 27 April 2012 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not in my hands - from their Facebook page.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 27 April 2012 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

An appropriate cover for the comp there.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 April 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

those are actually just cd's tho

― kelpolaris, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

is anyone putting these out in the US, or am i gonna have to import?.
for some reason amazon has them listed at like $50 apiece.

― BringTheAuBonPain, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

unreleased tracks are on youtube

― jaime, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

I pre-ordered from Amazon.co.uk where they're about £9 + shipping which comes out to about $20/each.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actually, I just checked and it was only $44.87 for all three shipped to the US.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

I am going to play these so loud.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

hmmm so only 2 of these correlate with those 3 songs that leaked a while back, interesting!

― zappi, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

hmmm. don't like How Do You Do It at all.

― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

thanks, spencer. just pre-ordered.

― BringTheAuBonPain, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

No problem. You might want to check US Amazon.com two days before it ships from the UK to see if the price has gone down here - though I doubt it will.

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh man, the end of Angel is so

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

why do i feel like the new mix of "angel/bilinda song" is minutely, but noticeably enough, slower?

― kelpolaris, Saturday, 28 April 2012 06:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

If it is slower, then it's entirely possible that during the original mastering somebody asked for it to be speeded up slightly, it might not have been written down in the mastering notes and/or Shields forgot during the remastering process.

― Dick Move's Wardrobe (MaresNest), Saturday, 28 April 2012 07:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess it was a bit of a rush to get these remasters out, so it would be easy for something like that to be missed.

― Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 28 April 2012 09:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, can everyone ease off and give kevin shields a little more time to work on these? everything is so rushed these last 20 years!

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Saturday, 28 April 2012 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

has antyone got a copy of the new remasters? are they different from those 'remasters' that are all over torrent sites etc from 2008?

― piscesx, Saturday, 28 April 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Those amazon.co.uk prices are really cheap. The whole lot with shipping converts to $45.10, whereas the EPs in US Amazon alone are $28. I wonder if that's for a limited time.

― Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

so what is up with the second disc of loveless just being loveless again?

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

the 2nd disc is remastered from the analog tapes or something.
you can never have too many copies of loveless.

― BringTheAuBonPain, Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

the first was loveless as you remember, the second was meant for kevin's chinchillas

― kelpolaris, Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

so I'm assuming if you play them both at the same time, the waveforms that are inverted cancel each other out and all that remains is the mysterious third album.

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 28 April 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

No, it's actually me going "Ah, hello, I'd like to talk to you about a very, very special album close to my heart. You might know it. It's called Loveless. First, let me set the scene." And so on for fifty minutes.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 April 2012 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh man, the end of Angel is so

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Saturday, 28 April 2012 02:21 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes! it's back to them playing guitars like on the second side of isn't anything, only a step further along, with some of the sweetness they were drifting towards on tremolo, &c. it could go on forever

― blossom smulch (schlump), Sunday, 29 April 2012 14:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

So:

http://pitchfork.com/features/interviews/8809-kevin-shields/

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 April 2012 18:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

Whatever.

― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

OK, actually an interesting read, now I'm halfway through.

― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

That song is pretty awesome. Also has about 10% of the reverb modern 'MBV-influenced' bands tend to use.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

unreleased tracks are on youtube

HUH?

OMG!

tbh kinda torn b/w wanting to listen to them RIGHT NOW & waiting to get my hands on something of respectable quality. What a fantastic surprise! I honestly had no idea that there would be unreleased material included w/ the remasters (or they'd ever even happen themselves obv).

― fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

They've been around for about 3 years anyway.

Blimey: My Bloody Valentine 20-year old demos surface?

― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 30 April 2012 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

those paragraphs about how "everything's brought up to zero" don't fill me with confidence.

― koogs, Monday, 30 April 2012 20:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's an interesting interview, especially the treatment by the record labels.

― Let's Talk About Socks (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah saying one of the tracks had to be a "sacrificial lamb" to get everything up to a louder volume is kinda :S

― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

so which remaster of loveless is better, the new one or the old one from the analog tape? is there a huge difference?

two streams

― alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

both streams are almost exactly the same loudness, the analog one seems *slightly* less compressed and easier on the ears

― diamonddave85, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

will have to withhold tru judgement until i can blast this on my stereo at home

― diamonddave85, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

heckfire
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/may/01/my-bloody-valentine-loveless-stream

― piscesx, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

LITERALLY no difference on those 2 streams.

― piscesx, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

sure, a crappy stream of something that dude carefully remastered for one specific audio format only and to be played loud on an actual hi-fi, that'll prove lots

― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

No Cassette edition?

(I have the minidisc edition already)

― Mark G, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 08:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

So far it seems like the underwhelming 2008 promo leak was in fact genuine. Meh.

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 10:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actually, now I'm listening to it again with some A/B with the orginal CD and I think I prefer the EQ balance on these new ones, there's definitely a fuller sound, however it also seems to be quite fatiguing on my ears, but maybe I'm just listening to it too loud.

I haven't actually listened to the album for a couple of years at least and I was beginning to think I may have overrated it, but it's still pretty amazing.

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 11:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Shields says the 2008 leak was unfinished

― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 12:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

In order to hear the difference you have to play it at top volume through the band's PA.

Kevin Shields remastering the records seems about as reliable as Neil Young doing it. Dude's own hearing has probably had a few dBs rolled off, if you follow me.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

however it also seems to be quite fatiguing on my ears

yeah I don't think a stream like this will really be helpful to judge - everything hurts at 128k

― Brakhage, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

the remastered EPs sound very very good. nice to have a reason to listen to all these tracks again anyway.

― the aower of aussy (electricsound), Monday, 7 May 2012 02:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

the first was loveless as you remember, the second was meant for kevin's chinchillas

― kelpolaris, Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:38 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like this theory

― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Monday, 7 May 2012 03:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bilinda sounds louder/ clearer on the EPs.

― piscesx, Monday, 7 May 2012 03:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

So any idea what is actually coming out in the U.S.? I've seen the EP collection available for pre-order at Amazon, but neither of the other two remasters are.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Haha oh wait, the Loveless remaster is an import for now. $66. Ugh.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

Only $52 for the Isn't Anything remaster though.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

I ordered direct from Amazon UK (I didn't realize you could place orders using your US account) - I think it was less than twenty bucks shipped to the US. Should be here in a week or so

― Brakhage, Monday, 7 May 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's just so bizarre to me that there is not a single mention online of a US release. i keep hearing may 15th tossed around but somehow i think sony wants to build up anticipation beyond just a week - well, anticipation in context of announce date to release date. they've sort been waited on for the past decade and a half.

― kelpolaris, Monday, 7 May 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

fwiw, Amazon lists June 5th for the U.S. release of the expensive ass import versions. the fairly priced EPs collection is listed as May 15th.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 7 May 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not sure why anyone would wait. Just order from Amazon.co.uk. Around $15 each shipped.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 7 May 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Aah, but you forget the part where I have Amazon Prime. Free 2day shipping, fool.

― kelpolaris, Monday, 7 May 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

also, i already have flacs of the remasters and possess an embarrassing amount of unreleased MBV material. "bilinda song" has been one of my favorites for years and it kinda confuses me that "kevin song" wasn't included with the remastered ep's. i'm buying these purely for support-ical reasons, as any funding that contributes to shield's putting forth this new album i will gladly donate. i've considered starting a paypal fund just to hurry this shit up - the worlds ending for chrissake.

― kelpolaris, Monday, 7 May 2012 21:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

OK, so -

- Single-disc remaster of Loveless via Amazon.com: $66.50

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007ROVEB6/ref=s9_bbs_gw_d6_g15_ir04?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=1PXMX5Z99FW6T585F7JX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846

- Double-disc remaster of Loveless via amazon.co.uk: $19.11 (including shipping)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00197X1V8/ref=ox_ya_os_product

I got... um, the latter one.

― Stravinsky joins the Zulu nation (zero of the signified), Monday, 7 May 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

I too have Amazon prime, but the shipping on these from the UK was about $2.50 each when ordered together and only takes about 5 days.

Anyway, if you're not in a rush, then I'm sure there'll be a US release someday.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok, maybe i'll consider that then. how did you get your prime shipping to transfer over? i tried logging into amazon.co.uk w/ my US account and was required to make a new one.

― kelpolaris, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Prime is not eligible when ordering from the UK site. Your login/password should be the same as your US account. Here is the shipping cost schedule for the USA: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200706160&pop-up=1

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

The shipping cost I mentioned earlier is standard for everyone (Prime or no) and was based on ordering all 3.

I mean, if you're fine with your FLACs, they'll probably be out here eventually for $10/each with Prime.

I am just an old physical media nerd.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

That gets excited about imports etc. Remember those???

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just picked up my copy of the EP's CD from HMV for £10. Bit of a missed opportunity for liner notes. Just pictures of the EP covers on the inside sleeve and again in the booklet with a centre spread of small band pics.

― ringworm, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 09:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

In hmv, all three bought together on special offer of £25.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

think someone said fopp were doing the same.

― koogs, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

with free poster...

― koogs, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

Fopp is a small distance, but cool.

xpost yeah right.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

actually, I take that back..

Anyways, dnw free poster.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I bought all three together in HMV in Exeter yesterday and didn't get a fiver off. Bastards.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 13:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Jealous of you Brits. Going to check my local shop at lunch, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. After all, I've been waiting years... whats a few more weeks/months?

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

It took 10 years and tons of hand-wringing, but don't worry, they've completely botched the job:

http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.com/2012/05/mbv-loveless-2012-remasters.html

― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

great article, but still can't get over your usage of "dosh"

dosh dosh dosh dosh dosh dosh dosh

― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

"The 2012 release has the CDs backwards, though the cover art still indicates above."

So I'm assuming the printing on the CDs themselves is wrong? Confusing article.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Jealous of you Brits. Going to check my local shop at lunch, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. After all, I've been waiting years... whats a few more weeks/months?

Just order from Amazon.co.uk already! Virtually the same price they're getting in the UK shops (including shipping) and you'll only have to wait a week maybe.

Alright, I'm done trying to help.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

I may end up doing just that, but the last time I ordered something from Amazon UK it ended up being a huge cluterfuck wrt to the order and it ultimately ended up getting cancled. It just made me not want to go that route again. Granted, this was in like 2006 so maybe things have improved since then.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Maybe it was one of their sellers? I've never had any problem ordering directly from Amazon.co.uk going back to 2004.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I order from Amazon UK pretty consistently and haven't had any problems ever.

So the takeaway from all this is to not purchase any remasters on the first go-around. I had to deal with this with the New Order remasters and I'm fucking tired of it.

― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

So according to the dudes at Reckless, Amazon UK may be our only option for some time. They said they've gotten tons of questions, so they looked into when they'd come out here. Short answer, according to them anyway, is - they're not. Reckless will be getting the import versions in about a month or so, but they'll be expensive. As of now they aren't seeing any domestic issues through any of their distributors.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

These are selling hugely.

Top ten entries for all three?

― Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

Re: the mislabelling and the "digital transfer glitch", if the way to tell the difference is indeed the clear start to Only Shallow and the fadier-fade to Soon, then they are mislabelled. The glitch 2:46 into What You Want is also definitely there, but it's weird, not like regular clipping, almost like a fault in the tape that's just on Bilinda's vocals or something. I need to read the P4K interview again, cos Shields mentions sacrificing one instant of one track for the sake of the whole album; I dunno if it was on the original remaster or the 1/2 inch one. If he's as much of a perfectionist as he's meant to be, it's hard to fathom that this could be an avoidable mistake.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 06:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

they are also at Amoeba with free shipping:

http://www.amoeba.com/buy-stuff/detail/my-bloody-valentine/isn-t-anything-cd--432535.html
http://www.amoeba.com/buy-stuff/detail/my-bloody-valentine/loveless-expanded-remastered-cd--432537.html

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 07:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hey-oh, interview about the new album:

http://thequietus.com/articles/08742-kevin-shields-interview-my-bloody-valentine-new-album

― btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 09:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://sickmouthy.com/2012/05/09/loveless/

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

Good quote from the above interview:

Much has been made in the MBV mythology of drum & bass tracks that never saw light of day... until now. "There's one drum & bass song, from that era when we were doing drum & bass music, which never came out," Shields reveals. "We were actually inventing a new sound – and this song doesn't really represent it, but – we were doing slowed down drum & bass music around 1993, 1994. But it just came to nothing, mainly because we didn't know how to do it. We didn't realise that you use just a few good samples, then it's about how you stretch them on the computer. We were trying to program it, work out every beat. We got some really good things, but the lesson we learnt was that without the element of spontaneity, without the element of chance we used to get from live playing, it doesn't work for us. Just making music on the computer isn't really what I'm into. But there's one song that survived from that period, that approach. Like slowed down drum & bass. Except, um... it's really fast."

― btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hey Sick Mouthy, I too noticed the errant apostrophe on the EP collection sleeve. But I think that was an aesthetic choice, as ungrammatical as it is, due to their use of lower case text; without the apostrophe it would read as 'eps'.

― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, I assumed so too. As a copywriter it bugs me, though!

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

The sleeve of Isn't Anything mixes capitalized (title) and non-capitalized (band name), so there's no real justification for the ep's thing

― btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

they are also at Amoeba with free shipping:

Sort of. They have Loveless, Isn't Anything says "currently unavailable" and the EPs don't even show up in search.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

CD1, the mis-labelled 1/2 inch analogue tape remaster, is definitely more physical.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd actually like to hear the 1/2 analog master on a big audiophile-level system. I'm hearing a "difference" but I may be missing out.

― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

sick - have you had a chance to listen to the CDs on a proper system yet? (all the technical pressing errors aside i'm curious how they sound)

― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sort of. They have Loveless, Isn't Anything says "currently unavailable" and the EPs don't even show up in search.

that's strange, Isn't Anything has been unavailable but you can still buy Loveless for $24.98 but yes the EP's are not for sale for whatever reason.

― Bee OK, Thursday, 10 May 2012 03:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

sick - have you had a chance to listen to the CDs on a proper system yet? (all the technical pressing errors aside i'm curious how they sound)

http://sickmouthy.com/2012/05/09/wednesdays-listening-2/

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 05:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Aah, but you forget the part where I have Amazon Prime. Free 2day shipping, fool.

― kelpolaris, Monday, May 7, 2012 10:40 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

For some indefinite date in the future as opposed to probably within a week if you buy from Amazon.co.uk. Normally seems to be that when things are going the opposite direction across the Atlantic, from Amazon itself anyway, as opposed to marketplace. & a lot of marketplace stores are U.S. anyway when you're ordering over here.

― Stevolende, Thursday, 10 May 2012 06:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pretty lamentable showing for the reissues in the midweek charts – EP’s at 22, Loveless at 34, Isn’t Anything not in the Top 40 at all. This probably means that none of them will be in the final Top 40 on Sunday. So no Exile On Main Street-style second chart coming, due partly to poor promotion (does anyone know these things are out again who didn’t already know it?), partly to total lack of radio support (OK, MBV is not exactly Radio 2 friendly but I haven’t heard them being played anywhere else) and partly to reissuing them on a Bank Holiday Monday. When I went into Fopp on the Monday morning I half expected there to be a queue, but most of the people in there seemed to be going straight to the Small Faces reissues.*

*and another thing, music industry; don’t put 15 major new albums out on the same day. I doubt whether even Elton John bought them all and I’m only going to pick them up for £3 each in MVE round about this time next year.

― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 10:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wouldn't call that 'lamentable', "Loveless" only made 24 the first time out.

The Bank Holiday opening affects all the albums sold 'over-the-counter', and most of the other albums do not have a 'premium' involved in the 'hard-copy' as opposed to the downloadable. (Or, do albums not get downloaded as a rule in the same way as singles do?)

So, are the Small Faces troubling the midweeks?

I hung around MVE for the Jesus and Mary Chain reissues, in vain.

― Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 10:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

A streaming chart is beginning on Monday so that may change everything. But Fopp were offering all three MBV CDs for £25 inclusive - no signs of this happening in HMV, and of course albums totally absent from supermarket racks (even Richard Hawley, #2 in the midweeks, wasn't in Sainsbury's).

No sign of the Small Faces in the midweeks.

― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

I got mine in Whiteleys HMV for the same deal.

― Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

didn't know there were THREE versions of SOON, as per that Quietus piece.

― piscesx, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, they missed off the Weatherall remix version, a shame as that was the first MBV record I bought, having heard it in the local recshop.

Eventually, tracked down the original and realised that was better. But, still..

― Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah that makes 4 then aye. but also there's 3 of the actual un-Weatherall one according to Shields.

― piscesx, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

OK, clue me:

1) 7" single
2) 12" single
3) Weatherall remix
4) LP version
5) "Analogue" version

um...

― Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

to say nothing of the cassette and minidisc versions..

― Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

or indeed the Eno remix.

― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

The EP / single version, and the versions on the two discs of the new release, are not only different masters but different mixes, apparently.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

Eno remix?

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

My mistake; Eno called it "the vaguest song ever" but never remixed it, as such.

― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

Eno's favourite song ever, iirc

― poxen, Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Mouthy, I can't help but feel saddened by your blog post. "So far I’ve not really “listened” to the new versions of Loveless." I mean, I hear digital glitches on records all the time. I once sat in on a session where the masterer was using a pencil tool to physically correct the waveform, drawing over the spikes of the glitch. I just can't really get too bent out of shape about such tiny problems.

― poxen, Thursday, 10 May 2012 13:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

is there an odd squeak 47 seconds into You Made Me Realise too? or have i just never heard it before?

― koogs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Poxen, why's that make you sad? All I mean is that I'd been doing other things whilst they were on in the background up to that point. I played them back much louder yesterday, and, unsurprisingly, totally didn't notice the glitch in What You Want (which is totally obvious if you're listening for it in headphones).

Sometimes you want to immerse yourself in a record, especially one like Loveless, and soak in every detail and nuance and float away inside your headphones or in front of your speakers. On those occasions, glitches that are errors can totally bust you out of the zone. And really awful compression / limiting / clipping just prevent you ever being able (or wanting) to do that in the first place.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

(that YMMR glitch is from the eps btw. can't remember if it's on anything else.)

― koogs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

WHAT makes me sad, I guess, is that the response in listening that I've read, here and elsewhere, has been more along the lines of "combing through the audio landscape" instead of engaging with the musical material. I guess it's to be expected considering how familiar this record is to you (or me or anybody). But nevertheless it's frustrating to read "boo: glitches / mislabeling" and "boo: why did it take Kevin so long" instead of "yay: Loveless".

I hope you don't take it as a criticism, I love your audiophile-style.

― poxen, Thursday, 10 May 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

well the whole point of these reissues/remasters is that they are supposed to improve on the listening experience. That's why they are asking people to pay extra money for music they likely already have.

― skip, Thursday, 10 May 2012 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yesterday afternoon's listen was totally YAY LOVELESS. I should've got that across better!

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Improve upon the listening experience", I suppose. But this is such a digital record, with the guitars run through MidiVerbs and recorded to DA88... Even Kevin, in the P4K interview, presents the digital remaster as both definitive and unchanged, only corrected to 0dB.

And I get it, and my "sad" is generated more out of frustration that one of my favourite bands has released three (four?) new songs in the last TWENTY YEARS, and here we are saying "well, if he's such a perfectionist, then why ___?" I'm mostly excited about the unreleased tracks

― poxen, Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

I doubt I will ever play the CD2 though

― Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

CD2, as in the mislabelled CD1?

I have to say I prefer the fuller sound on the new master from the analog tapes.

― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm buying this today! I'm excited, I'm skeptical too.

― poxen, Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is there much in the way of sleeve notes in the 'Loveless'/'Isn't Anything' remasters - I've only got 'EP's 88-91' for now and as already covered that's short on sleeve notes. I ask because was one of the excuses for the delay not "Kevin's still writing the sleeve notes", or had the dog basically eaten his homework?

― michaellambert, Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

was nothing in my loveless.

― koogs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

There are no sleeve notes that I've noticed thus far! Think there's an insert with the EPs that I've not looked at.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Aye, the EPs insert is just a reproduction of the original sleeves and some pictures.

― michaellambert, Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Would have been nice to have some basic details about what releases the tracks were from, but aside from that I'm happy just to have all those tracks, only had the 'Tremelo EP' prior to now.

― michaellambert, Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

that info is on the reproductions of the back of the sleeves.

― koogs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

True. Nothing about the non-EP tracks though. I still think it's nicely put together.

― michaellambert, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like seeing the art without the text. have also just noticed that the reproductions are of the 12" artwork not the cd artwork. not keen on the size though - half and inch bigger than normal cds = storage problems.

and that glitch i mentioned above is also on my original cd ep so it's not new, i just never noticed it before. does sound odd though.

― koogs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like that it's a pretty sturdy card gatefold, but the size is a little awkward.

― michaellambert, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

The lack of sleeve notes makes the albums seem more contemporary.

― Mark G, Friday, 11 May 2012 06:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Were you sitting in the marketing meeting?

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 11 May 2012 06:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

On a less facetious note, I always thought the band were very timelessly dressed / coiffed on the sleeve of Isn't Anything; plain t-shirts and shaggy hair could put them anywhere from 1966 to now.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 11 May 2012 06:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well exactly.

― Mark G, Friday, 11 May 2012 08:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

does anyone have any secret knowledge about when the remasters will see a vinyl release?

― phantompenguin, Sunday, 13 May 2012 04:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

it was just "in a few months" i think. hope that's encouraging!

― blossom smulch (schlump), Sunday, 13 May 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

He said that in 1992.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 13 May 2012 15:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

You know, the sense I'm getting is that anyone who has the EPs and the original albums doesn't really need this new one. Am I wrong?

― dlp9001, Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

You are.

I amazed myself by listening to the long version of 'Glider' as opposed to ignoring it in favour of the a-side 'remix' of 'Soon'. Plus the "untitled"'s and the 3 new tracks. You need the e.p. set, yes...

― Mark G, Sunday, 13 May 2012 22:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Chart watch: The ep collection made 33, which is alright I reckons...

― Mark G, Sunday, 13 May 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Do double albums still count each sale twice?

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 14 May 2012 05:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

was that not just a US thing?

― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, 14 May 2012 05:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

No I think it counted over here too. But I might be wrong.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 14 May 2012 07:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's not something I recognise.

Marcello to thread!

― Mark G, Monday, 14 May 2012 08:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, EPs #33, Loveless #50, Isn't Anything #61.

― Michael Jones, Monday, 14 May 2012 09:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

The EPs reissue is a must buy I'd say. Even if you've got most of the vinyl there are some good rarities.

― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Monday, 14 May 2012 10:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm really, really into this remaster of Isn't Anything!
And I don't hear the famous "I Only Said" digital glitch, hmm.

― poxen, Monday, 14 May 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Re: the "Loveless" analog remaster vs. the digital one.

Although the mastered-to-tape version sounds richer to my ears, less "early days" digital conversion, the mix is thrown off. The drum machines on "To here knows when" (hats) and "Sometimes" (kick) are mixed to perfection on the DAT master, i.e. barely audible but still running the track. Mastering to analog makes them inaudible, or at least, too low in the mix.

― poxen, Monday, 14 May 2012 14:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Are you taking into account the CDs are printed the wrong way around?

― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

I converted CD into WAV and onto a hard drive. I didn't notice which was which. To distinguish "tape" vs. "ADAT", I'm using my ears / comparing to the WAVs of the original CD I bought in 1998.

I don't hear the digital glitch! Really! I've listened in every possible way, studio monitors, monitor headphones, on both CDs. Hmm.

― poxen, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

And I don't hear the famous "I Only Said" digital glitch, hmm.

I thought it was the famous "What You Want" glitch?

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Another critical error is in the "1/2 inch analogue tape" remaster: there is an ugly digital transfer glitch approximately 2:46 into "What You Want", during the "I do, I do..." bit. It's prominent and ugly, audible (yuck! through headphones) and visible in a spectral view. This error was also present in the 2008 leak of the analogue tape variant, so Kevin/Sony has had (at least) 4 years to fix this.

http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.com/2012/05/mbv-loveless-2012-remasters.html

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh, well there it is. Now I hear it.

― poxen, Monday, 14 May 2012 23:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Finally ordered these from Amazon UK last night, now just waiting for them to get here.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

You don't need headphones to hear that glitch in 'What You Want', it was pretty glaring when played through my computer monitor's speakers. Reminds me a bit of the famous glitch on Meat Puppets II.

― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 07:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

You know what? I am resisting looking for it, because when I do I shall hear it forever. A bit like Liam gallagher's backing vocals on that Echo and the Bunnymen single.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

I heard it when i was specifically listening for it with headphones; I didn't notice it when I played it LOUD through SPEAKERS and ROCKED OUT later on.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

ts: the glitch vs the deathchord.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

there is a brown note at 3:16 in soon

― caek, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 10:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

So basically, there's absolutely no reason to buy to new edition of "Loveless," right? It's just a louderized version of the old one, more or less? I haven't seen anything that's really indicated the "analog" version is terribly better/superior.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's not like the Beatles or Sly Stone remasters, but I'm very glad I've got it.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thankfully stopped myself from shelling out $26 or whatever for this.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's a fair bit to shell out for, i'll grant yz

― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

The digital remaster is just a louder version of the original master, but to my ears the new remaster from original tapes has a fuller sound, with much less empahsis on the mid-range, and some boost on the bass.

At the moment there is the glitch problem on that one track though.

I will buy it if they release the analogue version on vinyl, but then I sold my CD and vinyl copies of Loveless a while ago when I saw prices were quite high for first editions.

― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Basically you can re-create this remaster by taking the original CDs you bought, ripping them to wave, and changing the volume. Or skip that and just change the volume on your stereo.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Don't you wish you could go back to August 2007 and let everyone on the thread know that the remasters are gonna be meh?

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

You can also recreate the OTHER Loveless remaster by asking Sony for the original tapes who will say they are lost, wait for several years, get in touch with Scotland Yard…

― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

The "Isn't anything" remaster is significantly different, the EPs too.

― poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Reminds me a bit of the famous glitch on Meat Puppets II.

― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:46 AM

whats the meat puppets 2 glitch

― am0n, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

there's a big spike in the wave form shaped like a middle finger

― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/loveless-reissue.php

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Some funny stuff in there:
•On the second disc, mastered from the original half-inch analogue tapes, we can hear for the first time that the record's intricate feedback layers and inimitable swirls of tremolo-gliding guitar were digital mastering errors and My Bloody Valentine was actually a workmanlike third-wave ska band.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

man, they really did make a good album that one time, huh?

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeh, Isn't Anything is awesome

― zappi, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Mine just arrived from Amazon.co.uk. Took a little longer than usual (8 days).

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

I need these... Dammit. I just forked over $50 a few months ago for the original Creation pressing of Loveless on LP. (Ned, that's a funny-ass piece; and Bilinda sure is swoonworthy in that photo.)

― Clarke B., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

i used to think the Isn't Anything is as Good as Loveless claim was borderline challopsy, but these days I really believe it. Isn't Anything isn't as consistent as Loveless, but the peaks are higher, I think. (When You Wake) You're Still in a Dream is flabbergasting. It's so, so good.

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't know that it isn't as consistent. i guess it isn't as consistent in tone? or as 'cohesive', maybe, what with loveless being just like one big pie. but isn't anything has that perfect pairing of the thrashy, moody stuff & the spacy moody stuff.

but yeah being able to non challopsingly claim that IA is as crucial as loveless is important & a sign of maturity & wisdom

― blossom smulch (schlump), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

whats the meat puppets 2 glitch

There's a glitch - maybe a physical warp - on the original SST master tape during 'Climbing' (I think it's the second verse?). When Derrick Bostrom remastered it for the reissues at the end of the '90s there wasn't much he could do about it, as far as I recall. So in it stayed. There's nothing about it in the liner notes.

― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

"What You Want" 2m46s glitch clearly audible on Spotify (where it's labelled CD1 (2006 DAT), as per the erroneous packaging, *and*, semi-amusingly, both Loveless and Isn't Anything are listed as "2008").

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Definitely prefer Isn't Anything. A lot of Loveless I just find kind of listless and annoying, I get especially irritated by those repetitive synthy parts on When You Sleep and I Only Said.

― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Awwwww.... listening to Off Your Face for the first time in years. I should get the EPs 1988-91. Got 17/24ths of it on vinyl but...what the hell.

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah re-listening to the EPs has totally re-ignited my love for Drive It All Over Me - scrabbly drums, dirty bass, sweet sweet melody. It's like some sort of lovely hybrid of the Shop Assistants and World Dom.

― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actualy maybe it's the grotty bass playing that I miss most on Loveless.

― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was biting my tongue all the way through that Thorpe article. Lost my shit completely when he started talking about tremolo arms.

― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

'When You Sleep' is definitely my least-liked track, it just sounds like generic college rock to me. I love the sampler emulation of tremelo-bending in 'I Only Said' though.

Wasn't most of the rhythm section on Loveless Shields playing and sequencing? I would love to hear a version with Colm and Debbie playing their parts.

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's all Shields on Loveless.

When You Wake... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When You Sleep

― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

No More Sorry still chilling in a way nothing else they've done is.

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

That sinister edge is something else they left behind, alas no more knife-wielding girls on their record covers.

― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

No More Sorry is the track that first drew me in to this band, I can't think of anything anyone has done like it.

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

That song is not a million miles away from some AR Kane stuff e.g. WOGS, but they don't quite have the same multi-tracked fast strumming thing going on:

― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

AR Kane also had a thing for young women with knives too.

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

The closest I've ever been able to describe the tone of the instruments in No More Sorry is of an orchestra tuning up in a cathedral with roadworks going on outside. I think the whole mood is just so bleak, dark, unsettling, menacing and odd.

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's all about the absence of body, isn't? Just the returns of the FX, not the source.

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

but yeah being able to non challopsingly claim that IA is as crucial as loveless is important & a sign of maturity & wisdom

I don't think IA is any better or worse than an Eric's Trip record on its own, but taken as a sketch for Loveless it's breathtaking. It's as if they identified all the human elements of IA-- "sexy" lyrics, Colm's juvenile drumming, distinguishable guitars, Sonic Youth-y dissonant chords, phrasing-- and bled them out of that record, replaced them with simpler structures, more brazen textural choices, to create something more stately.

When I first heard "Only Shallow" kick in as a teen, it seemed impenetrable. But listening to it after IA, it seems... well, simple, in a classical sort of way

― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like eric's trip a lot, actually, but the relationship between eric's trip and isn't anything is pretty much

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

If you can come up with a closer cousin to "Isn't Anything" than "Love Tara" I'll buy you a pizza

― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Quite ridiculous but aside from the 'a' sides I hadn't heard most of the stuff on the eps and rarities disc. I was somewhat taken aback when PE's 'Security Of The First World' beat kicked in!

― pandemic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

listening to Off Your Face for the first time in years

Possibly my favourite track of theirs

― Pacific Trash Vortex (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Closest cousin I know of to "Isn't Anything" (which I like a lot) is Swirlies "Blondertongue Audiobaton" (which I also like a lot). Grandma pizza will be just fine.

― dlp9001, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey guys debbie is primal scream's new bass player
http://www.nme.com/news/primal-scream/63501

& kevin said the new record's coming out this year on radio one. i know that isn't trustworthy but i mean at least it's well intentioned

― blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 17 May 2012 10:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

& mbv are playing some shows in japan next year: http://www.timeout.jp/en/tokyo/event/4809/My-Bloody-Valentine

― blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 17 May 2012 10:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

The Swirlies are like the gluten-based imitation meat version of MBV so yes, you get a vegan pizza

― poxen, Thursday, 17 May 2012 11:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.nme.com/news/primal-scream/63501

Photo Gallery: Primal Scream
Photo: Debbie Googe, pictured far left
Rex Features

hmm, that's not all, btlot.

― Mark G, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

either that, or Bobby(2nd left) has suddenly got very good looking!

― Mark G, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was going to mention the Swirlies. If you can imagine "Isnlt anything" without the reverse reverb (and the sexiness) you've got the Swirlies' first album. BTAB - 7 / 10, IA - 10 / 10.

― Rob M Revisited, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

the praise for blonder tongue, which tbf has aged reasonably well, seemed so odd to me at the time, since it seemed like a major step back from the brilliance of the preceding singles..

― mexican sumner (electricsound), Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

I bought the singles comp by mistake thinking it was BTAB back in 93 so to me the album seemed a logical step forward. I know the album after with the long title gets all the praise but I couldn't get my head around it, or understand the love.

(Can't add much on the MBV reissues as my wife is giving me them at the end of the month for my birthday. Another week oif waiting won't make any difference after all this time)

― Rob M Revisited, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok, today i decided £25 for the full set was too good a deal to miss, and given that i've not heard loveless for a long long time and i dont have the original cd anymore (i have the tremolo ep buried in the archive, but again, unheard in years), i succumbed to the urge.

before the music hits the deck, the main thing is that i love the packaging.

if you ask me, the heavy duty large cardboard sleeves, and the complete lack of sleevenotes totally suits the aesthetics

― mark e, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok. that was way way more emotional than i ever expected.

for the last 20 years i have viewed the cult of loveless from afar never really understanding the passion.

at the time of its release, i had the cd, and had memories of me listening to it, but the swirls of noise and melody not hitting me that much.

however, an hour ago i dropped the analogue remaster on, and suddenly i was back in '91 in our scum landlord underground one room bedsit with my newly wed wife, a little boombox/portable cd player, and our whole lives excitedly ahead of us.

as each track kicked in, my head just went 'oh fuck, i love this one .. '

the cd ended up going walkabouts when a friend emigrated to aus, ending up with me forgetting this album.

due to the heavy duty emotional kickback though, it could be a while before i listen to it again.

― mark e, Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I celebrated the release of the reissue today by listening to the original CD in the car. Sounded fine.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

sueisfine

― am0n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 20:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

sueisfinesueisfinesueisfinesueissinesueifidessuisinesuicinesuicidesuicide

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

^shoulda been reissueisfine

― mexican sumner (electricsound), Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

back in '91 in our scum landlord underground one room bedsit with my newly wed wife, a little boombox/portable cd player, and our whole lives excitedly ahead of us.

Really feeling this, mark.

― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

^shoulda been reissueisfine

good call

― am0n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

@bill a

yeah. it was a headf*ck too far.

given that i thought i didn't like the album, i never expected such an attachment to hit home.

― mark e, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

I will always associate this album with playing Super Metroid on the SNES

― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 May 2012 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Haha, I have the same connection between super r-type and computer world.

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Thursday, 17 May 2012 23:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

the remaster sounds fantastic. so much attack, and so much space around each instrument

― dayo, Friday, 18 May 2012 12:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

was never a 'big fan' (probably because I never heard it on vinyl amirite) but I am really really digging the remaster!

― dayo, Friday, 18 May 2012 12:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Orginal vinyl didn't sound very different from the CD in my opinion, and was only 1 disc so a bit of a quiet pressing. I'm hoping the new analog remaster will be spread over two discs.

― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

From everything Shields has said lately I'd really not thin it's "meant" to be heard on vinyl.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

wat http://www.myplaydirect.com/travel-tunes/details/27422208?current_country=GB

― shaane, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 16:30 (8 months ago) Permalink

were the remasters any good? i'm reluctant to listen to a new version of Loveless despite the quietness of the original master.

― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 16:52 (8 months ago) Permalink

I would gladly pay you tuesday out of my loveless wallet for a new MBV album today

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 17:07 (8 months ago) Permalink

RMDE at "quietness".

The remasters from Analogue tapes sounded like an improvement to me, especially in the bass frequencies.

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 17:18 (8 months ago) Permalink

I'm not really getting what that product is supposed to be. Like for money?

― gwenguthrie gwen ross (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 20:52 (8 months ago) Permalink

for notes! HAHAHAHAHA

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 21:16 (8 months ago) Permalink

It's for Oyster travel cards and such.

― NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 21:54 (8 months ago) Permalink

does the fact it chops the bottom off the m annoy anyone else? it's like the one thing they had to consider and they got it wrong.

yes, is for travelcards, hence the name TravelTunes. that blue wavy design in the back is an oyster card, (virtually) everyone in london has one.

― koogs, Thursday, 13 September 2012 08:51 (8 months ago) Permalink

does the fact it chops the bottom off the m annoy anyone else? it's like the one thing they had to consider and they got it wrong.

Yes. Looking at some of the wallets they offer they just seem to be artist's impressions of what the cardholder might look like when they print one off.

― Stewart D or Raheem? (useless chamber), Thursday, 13 September 2012 09:26 (8 months ago) Permalink

It's a sony thing methinks, homing in on the 'fans who'll buy any old shit with their favourite band's likeness attached' market, thus:

― Supper's Burnt (PaulTMA), Thursday, 13 September 2012 10:21 (8 months ago) Permalink

― Mark G, Thursday, 13 September 2012 10:32 (8 months ago) Permalink

that said, it's £6 and looks like it comes with digital copy of the double cd... (7.49 on amazon.co.uk)

― koogs, Thursday, 13 September 2012 11:11 (8 months ago) Permalink

This is how they'll save the music industry for sure.

― Evan, Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:26 (8 months ago) Permalink

I have never heard of a "travel card" before. They're credit-card sized right?

― gwenguthrie gwen ross (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:00 (8 months ago) Permalink

yes. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14836.aspx

― koogs, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:06 (8 months ago) Permalink

It's interesting though that they're marketed as travel wallets and not credit wallets or just card wallets. So I take it their ubiquity extends beyond major metro areas?

― gwenguthrie gwen ross (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:21 (8 months ago) Permalink

Also yes I know exactly what those things are; quite a brainfart to not remember

― gwenguthrie gwen ross (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:22 (8 months ago) Permalink

So I take it their ubiquity extends beyond major metro areas?

London has a lot of ppl in it

― ┐(´ー｀)┌ (sic), Friday, 14 September 2012 00:37 (8 months ago) Permalink

Well sure but it's like making something that can fit credit cards and marketing it as a MetroCard holder to appeal to New Yorkers

― gwenguthrie gwen ross (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 14 September 2012 01:40 (8 months ago) Permalink

you use an Oyster a lot more times daily than a credit card!

(when I've been in London I just stick it in my actual wallet and wave that at the detectors though; I got given a free Keeping Up With The Kardashians one somewhere last time, which didn't induce me to switch)

― ┐(´ー｀)┌ (sic), Friday, 14 September 2012 01:54 (8 months ago) Permalink

You do?? That is crazy, I use my debit card like several times a day.

― gwenguthrie gwen ross (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 14 September 2012 02:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

nerds need to step up and invent a single card that does everything so I can start collecting travel wallets.

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 14 September 2012 02:44 (8 months ago) Permalink

I feel like a srsly corny bastard, but I bought one of the travel pass holders (despite already having the reissues on CD...), and it seems like a perfectly serviceable piece of plastic and the band name is not cut off irl. In my defence, I'd been reduced to taping my original travel pass holder together with tape and it was on its last legs in terms of serviceability. But yeah, some shame here.

― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:58 (8 months ago) Permalink

It's OK. I have a Julian Cope belt buckle.

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 September 2012 19:00 (8 months ago) Permalink

^ provisionally jealous dependent on design

― ┐(´ー｀)┌ (sic), Thursday, 20 September 2012 21:46 (8 months ago) Permalink

It is this design...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JULIAN-COPE-Battle-ye-not-monsters-PIC-DISC-12-/400186803298

...on a thick round copper buckle.

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 September 2012 22:20 (8 months ago) Permalink

(a Nietzsche quote. yikes.)

― koogs, Friday, 21 September 2012 09:16 (8 months ago) Permalink

yeah, my nation underground was a low point for him. still, it's a nice belt buckle.

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 September 2012 14:47 (8 months ago) Permalink

lol yeah, I am v happy without that in my life

(Charlotte Anne is a good 3/5 of a choon and the Drew Carey theme cover is cute but...)

― ┐(´ー｀)┌ (sic), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:10 (8 months ago) Permalink

the crazy farm animal EP was the first sign of what was soon to follow though.

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:20 (8 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

new album by the end of the year. full quote from shields:
"Yes, we should have a new album available by the end of 2012. I just need to record it!"

― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 16:18 (6 months ago) Permalink

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/nov/07/my-bloody-valentine-new-album

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