My friend started crying when he listened to "Monkey Gone to Heaven" while tripping on acid. Should I laugh in his f#@$ing face?

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"Monkey Gone to Heaven" has a good message, and it serves as a sobering warning for the human race, but I suspect that my friend is a pussy. Agree/disagree? Answers............ NOW!

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:41 (twenty years ago) link

No. I mean, either he knows the song well and was mostly getting nostalgic, or he doesn't know the song well, in which case -- well, it's pretty graceful and moving the first time around. (If it had been Concrete Blonde's "Tomorrow Wendy" he'd have been justified in laughing in your face for not crying.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:45 (twenty years ago) link

Don't judge anything people do on hallucinogens. I've seen a friend of mine revert into a simian state on mushrooms, wet his pants, eat cigarettes, spit up like a baby, run naked down the street, the whole bit. It wasn't him, so I couldn't very well make fun of him later. Made for a good story, though.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

I actually cried when I saw the video for Monkey Gone to Heaven on TV late one night - it was really inexplicable.

Adrian, Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

I've seen a friend of mine revert into a simian state on mushrooms, wet his pants, eat cigarettes, spit up like a baby, run naked down the street, the whole bit. It wasn't him, so I couldn't very well make fun of him later.

You are so much nicer than I am.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

Well, he listens to the Pixies all the time, so he's definitely familiar with the song, but there's nothing for him to get nostalgic about because he only got into them about 3 years ago, and has been listening to them consistently ever since.

I'm not judging him for the hallucinogens bit, but it's sort of fucked up because he's always talking about this apocalyptic/doom bullshit all the time where he honestly thinks the world's gonna get destroyed by nano-robots who take over. Yeah, go figure. And he's of the philosophy that the world is already fucked so why give a shit about anything? He's like, "why should I do anything positive? Why should I try to change things that are messed up? Things are beyond repair! Everything sucks! You can't make a difference no matter how hard you try (but actually, I don't know because I've never tried because I'm too lazy and disaffected to even try, and any evidence you give me to refute this premise will be ignored in favor of evidence I want to hear!)"

And now this incident. It's great that he found something moving enough to have an emotional reaction, and he sort of talks about this incident like it's some fucking badge of honor, but he always goes back to the same shit after the trip. Doom, doom, doom, fuck the world, apocalypse, cataclysm, blah blah blah...

It's irritating. Anyway, it makes me want to laugh in his face for his own inaction, especially when this human doom thing apparently means enough to him to get him upset.

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

yr friend is wrong: the world will be SAVED by nano-robots

geeta, Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

You are so much nicer than I am.

Well, seeing as how I was sober, the whole scene wasn't funny so much as disturbing. Dude was out of his mind. Truth is, I didn't much feel like making fun of him. It was too weird to be comic.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

I repeat...

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

dude, if I have to carry around the collected baggage of 5 years' worth of bad booze antics then your friend should have to suffer just as well. drugs are drugs. you did them and then did something really silly/dumb/dangerous, now we get to laugh at/with you (it all depends on yr sense of humor - if you get angry because we laugh, it's even funnier, because you are a thin-skinned ass; if you also find it funny and laugh with us, good, because we all know you weren't being 'yourself' at the time).

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

Does thinking you're an octopus count? Because that once happened to me.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

Morrissey's voice turned into Daffy Duck's once while I was on acid. Mid-song, too. But I didn't cry, I laughed.

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 12 June 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

The Smiths on acid. Now there's a good idea.

Shudder. I can't think of a faster way to bad tripping.

Anony-mouse (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

i can

brains (cerybut), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

What could be worse than listening to a whining, self-obsessed drama queen when you could be having a deeply spiritual experience?

Anony-mouse (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

"What could be worse than listening to a whining, self-obsessed drama queen when you could be having a deeply spiritual experience?"

Getting busted by some cops while trying to have a deeply spiritual experience.

earlnash, Friday, 13 June 2003 00:30 (twenty years ago) link

Getting busted by some cops while trying to have a deeply spiritual experience.

Kinda brings new meaning to "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" doesn't it?

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

one buddy of mine claims that while he & his buddy were tripping, my friend starts running around in the street like an idiot. the other buddy comes down quicker, and is forced to take action to prevent my friend from being arrested.

he ended up tying my buddy to chair with the cables from Nintendo controllers....

Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 13 June 2003 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

You're an asshole Farmer Al.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 13 June 2003 06:17 (twenty years ago) link

Your friend was on acid = you should laugh at him for being a fucking hippie.

NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:58 (twenty years ago) link

BAAAAHAHAHA!

Did he intentionally put on that song or was it on the radio?

Acid? Pixies? What is he, 19? Yes, laugh. Laugh like the wind.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

i would have laughed. I don't how there could be any other ans to this q.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:05 (twenty years ago) link

I have a confession to make: I withheld some information from you. I already laughed in his fucking face. Hard. I was eating a sandwich when he was telling me this tale, and I laughed so hard that I spewed chunks of half-chewed roast beef in his face, and fell off my chair pounding the floor with my fists in glee.

I just wanted to make sure I did the right thing.

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

This is clearly my favorite thread of the week.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

I have a confession to make: I withheld some information from you. I already laughed in his fucking face. Hard. I was eating a sandwich when he was telling me this tale, and I laughed so hard that I spewed chunks of half-chewed roast beef in his face, and fell off my chair pounding the floor with my fists in glee.

You definitely did the right thing.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

You are all unfeeling, irony-overdosed hipsters. Fuck the lot of you.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

I laughed so hard that I spewed chunks of half-chewed roast beef in his face, and fell off my chair pounding the floor with my fists in glee.
I'm picturing Eric Cartman.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

Exactly.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

dude, if I have to carry around the collected baggage of 5 years' worth of bad booze antics then your friend should have to suffer just as well. drugs are drugs.

No way. Have you ever done acid? It's nothing like being drunk, I can tell you that. Nothing at all.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

"Love Will Tear Us Apart" was fuckin' HILARIOUS when I was tripping once. That voice, omigod (*splits sides just thinking about it*)

dave q, Friday, 13 June 2003 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

You know that song by Shudder to Think that goes "Kids make paper dolls?" I once drove my car into a tornado on acid because of it.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

You know that Judas Priest record "Stained Class"? I once shot my face off because of it. (No acid either.)

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with Keenan about the inconsistancies of comparing acid with drinking. Two different beasts. Bascially, I feel re: the pussiness of crying about the Pixies, that he's right in saying that acid can pretty much make you think/feel/see anything.

Being mean to people on bad trips is akin to picking on retards, in terms of how fragile they can be mentally and emotionally...

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

.. not to mention how weak they are for taking acid in the first place.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

Being mean to people on bad trips is akin to picking on retards, in terms of how fragile they can be mentally and emotionally...

I didn't laugh at him while he was tripping. I wasn't even there for that. When he told me about it, however, I exploded into fits of hysterical laughter and spit food in his face.

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

I thought we were discussing being mean to someone after their bad trip, which I wholeheartedly endorse.

(xpost)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

(Not that I'm going to take seriously any sensitivity advice that includes the phrase "picking on retards", but that's a completely different, more serious and infinitely more annoying discussion.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

I think that was referring to that bluegrass record, "Pickin' on Retards"

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

I think it's perfectly normal to cry while listening to the Pixies as they are pure genius.

If someone takes drugs, they are responsible for their actions while under the drugs. I mean, it's sad if they're addicted... But anywho... This coming from someone who has never even had a cigarette, so what do I know? Well, I know I love the Pixies. I did when I was 19 (and before) and I do now.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

hat could be worse than listening to a whining, self-obsessed drama queen when you could be having a deeply spiritual experience?

Watching "Say Anything." Scenes would play forward, and then the audio would rewind itself in my head.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, I was thinking you were laughing at him while he was tripping, which is like the worst possible thing you can do to a person on drugs and there's nothing wrong with crying while tripping for any reason anyway. But yeah, mocking him after the fact isn't so bad, esp. as he was a FULE to even tell you about the episode in the first place. You know, he must have been under the mistaken assumption that you were a good friend.

Dan I., Friday, 13 June 2003 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

Also, I'd like to officially come out against the evil people who are like: "oh they took the drugs so they're the ones responsible for what happens when they're on the drugs" and then proceed to do horrible things to said tripping person that they would've never gotten away with had the person been straight.
Like when you're high and some not-high person you thought was your friend gets all up in your face and acts like a total freak trying to psych you out and you say something like "Jesus, knock it off you idiot" but maybe you slur your words just a little bit or something so the other person takes this as confirmation that "YOU'RE SO FUCKED UP MAN WOW YOU'RE TRIPPING OUT LOOK AT HIS EYES!!! HE'S SO FUCKED UP HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!" while pointing at you with their finger like 3 inches from your face. Yeah, I hate that shit.

Dan I., Friday, 13 June 2003 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

MORE TEARS OF LAUGHTER

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Dan,
Relax. You high or something?

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 20:44 (twenty years ago) link

ok, ok, that was mean. but re-read my second post, where I describe my friend's attitudes on life. It's not easy to be sympathetic to someone like that.

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

ha, yeah, I was just reliving the trauma. *sob*

Dan I., Friday, 13 June 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Al, spit on him once for me too!

listening to the pixies. sheeeeet.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

is your friend a vegitarian, al¿ if so spitting roast beef in his face becomes, like 14,975,943.06 times funnier.

dyson (dyson), Friday, 13 June 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Are you allowed to do that thing where you're like, "YOU'RE RUNNING THROUGH A FOREST YOU'RE RUNNING THROUGH A FOREST YOU HIT A TREE!"

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 13 June 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

is your friend a vegitarian, al¿ if so spitting roast beef in his face becomes, like 14,975,943.06 times funnier.

for this story, yes.

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:00 (twenty years ago) link

Curmudgeoned demons, each one of you.

I was tripping constantly when Doolittle came out. Monkey Gone to Heaven was a HUGE song for me. Anyone know what MC Cryptic was actually trying to say with those words?

Shaun (shaun), Saturday, 14 June 2003 04:12 (twenty years ago) link

>Don't judge anything people do on hallucinogens. I've seen a friend of mine revert into a simian state on mushrooms, wet his pants, eat cigarettes, spit up like a baby, run naked down the street, the whole bit. It wasn't him, so I couldn't very well make fun of him later.

I once apparently reverted to a ‘reptilian state’, slithered around, bit someone’s knee, cried and ate cigarettes. Over a decade later my friends still laugh about it. You gotta be prepared for some razzing, even if you aren’t in full possession of your faculties.


>Also, I'd like to officially come out against the evil people who are like: "oh they took the drugs so they're the ones responsible for what happens when they're on the drugs" and then proceed to do horrible things to said tripping person that they would've never gotten away with had the person been straight.

Worst experience with something like this -some people were tripping for the first time at my place. A sober person (aka ASSHOLE) decided to bring out Betsy (skinless calf’s head which was in my freezer – it’s a long story) and force people to read the Piggy sequence from “Lord of the Flies” to it. Once I discovered this was going on I had to sober up very fast and spend the rest of my night doing some major damage control.

H (Heruy), Saturday, 14 June 2003 06:07 (twenty years ago) link

Over a decade later my friends still laugh about it.

Oh, my friends and I still laugh about it. But it's more like, "Man, that was some insane shit (uncomfortable chuckle)." I mean, the friend is question is a lawyer now. Very smart guy, very in-control. If you watch closely, you might see him on the news sometime. And to watch that guy completely lose his grip... it wasn't quite funny. It was deeply unsettling.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 14 June 2003 06:15 (twenty years ago) link

decided to bring out Betsy (skinless calf’s head which was in my freezer – it’s a long story) and force people to read the Piggy sequence from “Lord of the Flies” to it

That's fucking brilliant. But not for first-time trippers. I see what you mean.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 14 June 2003 06:17 (twenty years ago) link

1992 - Sat in my bedsit listening to Doolittle, coming down off acid, alone. 'Monkey goes to Heaven' comes on and I think of my friend who introduced me to the song. Doorbell goes. News arrives that the person I'd been living with for the last few months, the one I was thinking of, had walked out and stood infront of an early morning train. He'd hassled me for a 'trip' the day before, then left without saying where he was going.

True story? Yep. I didn't feel a chill, no regret, no shame. The song was playing, and that took everything away. I was pretty upset about the train driver, he shouldn't have been involved, it probably changed his life forever. Then again, perhaps it didn't. Don't get me wrong I loved (love) my friend dearly, otherwise I couldn't afford to say this.

person (nick.K), Saturday, 14 June 2003 08:00 (twenty years ago) link

train drivers see that stuff alot. or so i'm told.

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 14 June 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

Once, I was tripping and all I had in the boom box was the "Singles" soundtrack. I was in desperate in Minneapolis, and really needed to hear "Waiting for Somebody" by Paul Westerberg RIGHT THEN. I kept fast-forwarding and rewinding the tape and all I kept getting was the freakin' Smashing Pumpkins. For a long [however long it was], my life was perched on the fulcrum. I mean, WHO THE FUCK LET THE SMASHING PUMPKINS GET ON THE SINGLES SOUNDTRACK RIGHT NEXT TO FREAKIN' PAUL WESTERBERG????

Whoo. Time to come down a little.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:58 (twenty years ago) link

Ah drug stories. We are irresistably compelled to tell them to others, and others are irresistably compelled to find them boring and want to hit us with objects both sharp and blunt.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 15 June 2003 07:08 (twenty years ago) link

oh, I like Pleasant Pains' story. I know exactly where he's coming from. Shit like that can be positively traumatic.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 15 June 2003 07:19 (twenty years ago) link

Nothing personal; I've told like two boring drug stories on this board in the last couple days.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 15 June 2003 07:23 (twenty years ago) link

I'd only laugh at them if they cried when Black Francis said "Rock me joe!"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 15 June 2003 23:48 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
Haha!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is hilarious, I must say. I was once partial to acid when I was around 20-21. Now, speaking of Joy Division ...

My girlfriend at the time (this would be around 1987) worshipped JD. I always found them to be dreary and rather boring. Well, to cut a long story short, we were tripping one night and she insisted on putting on her all-time favorite record, Closer. The minute the needle hit side one and the voice came on, we both could not stop laughing. In fact, we laughed maniacally through both sides, particularly the last track ("Decades"?). That pompous voice gravely intoning "Here are the young men ..." was just too much! What struck me as unbearably funny was when I realized at that very moment that Ian Curtis sounded not at all like Jim Morrison (I guess that's what he was aiming for in this song) but rather ended up sounding - and I was literally rolling on the floor laughing, exhorting ... WHY HE SOUNDS LIKE A DRUNK OLD VICTORIAN STAGE ACTOR IMITATING BUCK OWENS! And I'll be damned if my girlfriend - she who hitherto unquestionably worshipped at the altar of all things JD didn't hear it exactly as I did. To this day, whenever I hear Ian Curtis I can't help but giggle.

Even more side-splitting was when she burst out saying, "Man! To think that he killed himself over THIS!" Hahaha. Call us insesntivie, if you wish, but, upon reflection, the point is a serious and valid one: the notion of Curtis (not to mention many of the fans who bought into the "myth"), really just a troubled young man with the set of usual angst-ridden problems ever 20 year old goes through (and which will assuredly seem trivially naive/stupid when you look back at it when you're 30) bought it - meaning his own myth-weaving - hook, line and sinker. And, yeah, it's tragic, but at that moment, whilst tripping, it just seemed ... impossible to take at all seriously. Stupid. Pompous. And the fact that that guy was nowehere near the mark of what he was aiming at.

(When I went and saw 24 Hour Party People, I just couldn't stop laughing, watching the Ian Curtis character doing his spastic dance on stage. And that "doomy" vocal - still sounds like a shit Victorian actor imitating Buck Owens! Just where did that faux-Southern US drawl come from anyway?!)

After this particular epiphany, well, she never could listen to them again, unless she wanted to hear a comedy record, that is. But there was an even more beneficial and pressing result. Upon realizing how angst-riddenly teenage DUMB it all was, that marked the end of her received notions and learned behavior (some call it "attitude") re: Joy Division popular depression cult.

Or let's put it this way: better to laugh at this shit than kill yourself over it.

So, er, I suppose this is a bit of a defense for acid, as in certain circumstances it may allow you to hear/something as it TRULY is - laid threadbare, the media and peer definitions stripped completely away.

Kjoerup, Friday, 7 November 2003 09:51 (twenty years ago) link

That last post was the best drugs message ever.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:12 (twenty years ago) link

he sounds like kermit thee frog: that is why i like him

geeta (geeta), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:15 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
Ooh. What a pleasant memory this is.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
That Joy Division story belongs in the fucking Smithsonian!

richard wood johnson (rwj), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

One night about five years ago I heard 'Hey!' at the height of an acid trip and that just it. The rest of the night/morning I was singing it.

his sister pam (hissisterpam), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know why anyone should be considered a 'pussy' for crying on acid. In fact, the last time I did acid ten years ago, me and my friends got to the point that we were crying very hard/loudly just from sheer happiness, or intensity or something. It was the only way to express the immensity of what was going on inside us. I've still got a picture of my friend crying from that night and you would think by the look on his face he must have been in utter sorrow or agony. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Booper Soul (Bimble...), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha this thread

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

lol i know this thread is crazy.

bimble totally, i'm not ashamed of my many tears of high school craziness.

Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:23 (seventeen years ago) link

mad rofflz at "acid"+"deeply spiritual experience"

La Monte (La Monte), Thursday, 8 February 2007 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

hey maybe i should just take those two liquigels i got lying around.

the table is the table (treesessplode), Thursday, 8 February 2007 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Hah, this thread is what got me hooked to ILX! Good times.

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 8 February 2007 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I, too, actually cried when I saw the video for Monkey Gone to Heaven on TV late one night - it was really inexplicable.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Same here.

I was shaking that boom box up and down like an Etch-a-Sketch, too, by the way.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

La Monte, its all about set and setting. IMHO, there's little that separates the sober and psychedelically mediated "deeply spiritual experience".

Pirouette (35 Hertz), Thursday, 8 February 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

My friends and I had a spiritual experience watching the Led Zepplin DVD and mistakenly listening to Spanish Radio. We didn't notice through the first song. Fortunately, someone learned how to press the switch on the receiver just in time for Stairway maaaaaaaan.

Then we laughed and my friend curled into a ball as reality seaped away for the next 8 hours.

Ooooooh drugs!

MaGoGo (FirstBass), Friday, 9 February 2007 05:12 (seventeen years ago) link

the lord of the rings one is hilarious, but yeah not for the first-timers obv.

the in-front-of-a-train story... oh man.

pisces (piscesx), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link


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