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anyone heard of them? what do you think? they put on a ridiculous, incoherent, noisy live show but there recorded stuff is good.

tom cleveland, Monday, 7 April 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

check my Campfire Songs thread from earlier today

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 7 April 2003 23:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I saw them open for Wolf Eyes at the CPOP Gallery in Detroit last year and man, they were great. I was less impressed with the album I bought from them -- it seemed a little restrained after the chaos of the live, and reminded me of Mercury Rev in some ways, but it was pretty good. They've got something new out, don't they?

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Monday, 7 April 2003 23:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jeff - yes. Campfire Songs, on Catsup Plate, and it sounds as much like Mercury Rev as Bryan Adams sounds like Borbetomagus. Also, if you can find it, their live album is astonishingly great

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 7 April 2003 23:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

well when i saw them it was only 2 people and they got taken off the stage as they made 150 people leave the venue. i told the guitarist it was the most ridiculous, fantastic thing id ever seen.

tom cleveland, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 01:22 (twenty-one years ago) link


hands down, one of the most amazing bands/groups going today.

music for animals.

m.

msp, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Check out the Avey Tare et al.'s albums Spirit They've Gone, Spirit They've Vanished and Danse Manatee. Great stuff. I saw them live last April and it was a really great show; they started off wailing almost Greek-chorus like keeing or whatever. Totally great.

Andy Beckerman, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

english kids: they're playing in brighton alongside black dice and others at some fatcat records show case... can't fucking wait

snake assassin, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

'danse manatee' is utter genius..... the new material i saw them doing last year was totally explosive, and i'm excited to see what their next record will be like.

j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree, "Danse Manatee" rules. Wish I hadn't slept on the live album before it totally disappeared, though...

die9o (dhadis), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, was that live album 'out' for about 5 seconds or is it just my imagination?

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not very many of them were pressed. I remember seeing it at Other Music a couple of times, but then it disappeared.

die9o (dhadis), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link


yeah... it was a tremendously small pressing... they didn't even make it out of their west coast leg of their tour with any copies.

anybody pick up any of their t-shirts on their last tour? i bought one. bright turquoise with flourescent designs akin to danse manatee the art! it's too small sadly. the wife wears it.

m.

msp, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

eep! eep!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

they pressed 300 - i ordered 15 copies for my distro and went through em damn quickly. i shoulda ordered 30.

j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 17:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

the covers were just other record covers turned inside out - and not dollar records, either - mine is Simon Joyner's Joesephine EP. The orange paint flakes like crazy though, every time I put that record on (which is often) i have to break out the dust-buster. Well worth the trouble, though

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I had heard the live record was put out by a Secretly Canadian side label, and that all the covers are just reappropriated SC record covers.

die9o (dhadis), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

that's the whole focus of the st. ives label - to recycle extra LP sleeves. i think my animal collective LP is on the inside of an old chokehold LP!
i believe they also put out a record for the microphones and sold through those even quicker, i bet.

j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

so i'm listening to the avery tare and panda bear lp (the first one i think) and.. well it's underwhelming. if animal collective sound like this i'm not too excited anymore. the singer has that annoying, nasal whine a bit like every other us schmindie vocalist out but especially like the guy from flaming lips. the first song has these amazing trippy, kind of saccharine but slightly sinister washes of noise, but then by 'bat you'll fly' it sounds like.. um, pavement. and mercury rev. and tortoise. and lots of other bands i don't really like. is it supposed to sound like this? can anyone convince me otherwise? and how are animal collective different? i was really looking forward to there show over here with black dice in may

schnellschnell, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

please thread don't die

schnellschnell, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 19:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
schnell
i don't know if you will come back to this, but if you are looking for a more experimental sound, I would definitely advise you to pick up some newer AC recordings. Danse Manatee and the live album are out of print, Campfire Songs is beutiful and acoustic, so you might want to wait until Here Comes the Indian comes out in June, it is really crazy and unique and good

ano ano (ano ano), Sunday, 11 May 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Here Comes the Indian came out and I think it is their best record.
Anybody else heard it and have opinions?

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 19 June 2003 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

after one listen i was floored. those guys are doing something, i don't know what it is, but they are doing it right.

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 19 June 2003 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

i'm pretty well blown away by it too. still not my favorite, but definitely a close second to the live album. I'd recommend it highly.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 20 June 2003 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

:'O

this is brill

Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 27 June 2003 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

Heard them playing this album at Rocks in Your Head (age-old Soho record store here in NYC) this week and was completely struck by it in a weird sort've "what IS this?" sorta way.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:23 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I just picked up Here Comes the Indian, and I love it, as does my cat. I swear, when is the damn hype machine gonna catch up: NYC isn't no wave, it's NEW AGE!

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

This could sneak up to become my fave from this year if they don't watch out.

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

I was totally jazzed to see Avery Tare and Panda Bear about a month ago, and I was so, so bored and disappointed. I haven't heard the records, and I don't know if the full group is any good, but wow. Sounded like Beaches and Canyons except somehow even more aimless and formless. Total snoozer dud.

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

I saw them earlier this month, and though they didn't really sound too much like the record, I wasn't disappointed. I guess in a pinch I could probably do without so much "autistic drumming" (my friend's description). But I thought they seemed remarkably "together", as in I don't think it was all aimless, it sounded like they were actually playing "songs".

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

I think the Beaches and Canyons comparison is pretty apt, actually. They don't necessarily sound similar, but this is what I was getting at w/my (half-tongue-in-cheek) New Age comment.

I mean it as something positive -- these are records I listen to in a less-than-conscious way. Maybe akin to what Eno was talking about way back when regarding his "ambient" music, but with a more organic (shitty word, sorry) feel.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 31 July 2003 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
...

adaml (adaml), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 05:24 (twenty years ago) link

saw them again last month, huge club (700 people)... organic strum drone und klammor. upthread = EEP EEP!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 October 2003 00:04 (twenty years ago) link

I'm gonna see them next week. The turn out will probably 40 people, as usual.

Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Thursday, 2 October 2003 08:32 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, gygax! Where'dya see them? They played at The Ramp in Berkeley.

adaml (adaml), Thursday, 2 October 2003 08:50 (twenty years ago) link

uk tour this month

details

www.fat-cat.co.uk

fat cat are also releasing their last two albums as a double cd in the u.k. next monday so i will finally get to hear them.

jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 2 October 2003 10:21 (twenty years ago) link

Is the 2-CD repackage of their first two records going to be released in the States?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 2 October 2003 12:01 (twenty years ago) link

adaml, i saw them at slim's cuz i couldn't make the ramp showwwwwww.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 October 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

they had promo copies of it sent in the states. the new art is *unfortunate* but at least it'll hit outside of new york city. i hear they are recording new 'songy' stuff as a duo. it should be kin to what they were doing on tour, which i heard was telepathic.

andy, Thursday, 2 October 2003 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
can i have a copy of this, colin? will travel, can supply own cdrs!

raphael diligent (Cozen), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

oh my, i wish! - i am too broke to buy a thing, sorry. I havent seen it anywhere either.

jed (jed_e_3), Saturday, 29 November 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

i am still fairly floor'd by everything i've heard, but especially spirit... (the reish is def in my top 10 this year)

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 29 November 2003 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

I love this band with all of my little heart. But mostly when I'm on a little bit of the something something.

Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 29 November 2003 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

I'm a fan. I bought Danse Manatee when it came out, because it was cheap and it looked interesting, and then I emailed the address to find out more about them. This was what, two years ago? I was still in school. One of the guys from the band emailed me back, and told me about Spirit, which I bought as soon as it was back in stock at Other Music. I really love the Spirit album, I think it's one of the most beautiful art records that I've ever heard. I like the Campfire Music and Here Comes The Indian, but nothing on either of them blows me away as much as "Penny Dreadfuls" or "Essplode."

God bless them. I hope that Avey Tare eventually comes around to making more "pop" records at some point, though. I think that melody, lyrics, and structure suits their style very well. I can appreciate the crazier, more free-form music, but it doesn't move me nearly as much.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 30 November 2003 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

I was excited to hear that Panda Bear "opened" for the Kompakt gig in NYC recently by singing over a DJ's tracks, just like that cute Colette DJ from Chicago (or is it L.A. now?). Really like their albums, but I'd love to get ahold of a live set of theirs. Like Mr. Quintron and various garage bands I've seen recently, they really seem to shine the most when they play live, and no studio recording is going to capture what they're capable of. They're grrrrr-eat!

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Sunday, 30 November 2003 07:31 (twenty years ago) link

What is this spirit that you speak of?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 30 November 2003 07:51 (twenty years ago) link

Never mind, I have it in my sights now.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 30 November 2003 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

RE: pop, yes I like it when it's pop and wish there was more

RE: Kompakt gig...Panda Bear has performed while singing on top of Other Music's Scotty Mau(a fantastic DJ) before, they called themselves "Jane"

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 1 December 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

not a big fan myself but thought you'd get a kick out of this piece by the great Rod Smith: http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0330/music-animal.php

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 1 December 2003 05:25 (twenty years ago) link

The Jane CDRs are really good. They made very very few of them and sold them at Other Music.
The new AT and PB record will be quite a bit poppier than anything recently and should be amazing. I don't think it is coming out for a quite a while, unfortunately, even though they already recorded it.

Magic City (ano ano), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

"The Jane CDRs are really good. They made very very few of them and sold them at Other Music."

D'oh! I'd love to hear them. I'll be in NY later this month. Do you think there's a snowball's chance in hell they might still have any?

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
now i'm a fan. (colin, i'll fix you up.)

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:12 (twenty years ago) link

this kinda sounds like how i wished the oxes sounded like when i was dreaming about them, even though nothing like them.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:14 (twenty years ago) link

'bat you'll fly' really sounds like the russian futurists. did anyone hear that russian futurists record or what?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:26 (twenty years ago) link

i) this is better through headphones.
ii) he can sound scarily like billy corgan in places; meep.
iii) danse manatee isn't as good as the first disc : /
iv) maybe that was the earphones thing, cos i listened to it through speakers (cf. i).

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

i like the russian futurists lots but i've never noticed a similarity - i'll have to listen again.

has anyone else heard Hollindagain?

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

i think it was just that particular track, toby.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

i should listen to danse manatee again, i've only heard it once.

actually i should listen to all their albums lots on headphones, i don't get to play them much at home cos ppl tend to complain.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:54 (twenty years ago) link

Hollindagain (or whatever its called) is their best - unfortnately, it's now impossible to find.

What's this "Jane" CDR??

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 8 January 2004 06:03 (twenty years ago) link

Campfire Songs! Campfire Songs! Sounds nothing like the rest of their material! But it's REALLY PRETTY and REALLY DRONEY.

Ho hum. Is Hollindagain the live album people are always talking about?

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 8 January 2004 06:06 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i really really want to know more about this "jane" cdr (cdrs?).

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 January 2004 08:20 (twenty years ago) link

oh and i totally see where you're coming from re russian futurists.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:46 (twenty years ago) link

hollindagain is supposed to be reissued, i think on paw tracks but maybe fat cat? dunno when.

jane is a duo featuring panda bear (under his own name) and another party i wasn't able to place. very beat-oriented, possibly even clubby. i have no idea where their cdrs might be available, i got a copy from a friend of a friend, who found it in a used been in a store that isn't around anymore in houston.

m

Mark Flaum, Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

On one of the Michael Mayer threads on ILM someone wrote that Jane is Panda Bear "singing" over DJ Casio... I think that's write.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

magic city's post

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

ts: memory vs. spelling

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

what is 'here comes the indian' like?

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 January 2004 02:14 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
New live dates from the paw-tracks page, which means new material!
February 20th - New York - Barnard College with Need New Body and White Magic - Prentis Hall - 632 W 125th St.

February 21st - New York - Knitting Factory with the Numbers

March 27th - New York - Anthology Film Archives

Deacon told me it might even be danceable!
Plus jane is playing with Orthrealm and Black dice next Friday at the Knit. New York's long dark winter is over.

Mitchell (Mitchell), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

Also since a lot of people were asking: the Jane CDRs were released in photocopied black and white 7" sleeves which made them look kind of like a punk band. The covers are really nice though and they often feature the steal your face dead logo.
They made them all themselves, very few, I don't know how many and I guess they are all gone. They have been talking about putting out a 12"
One description I read somewhere is Cologne beats with psych vocals. Pretty true. The vocals are heavily effected, like a lot of AS stuff. One song, "Coconuts" sounds like reggae. That one and solid gold wall are my favorites. Most songs are around 20 minutes long.

Mitchell (Mitchell), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

mitchell - i've asked at other music twice and written Noah personally, and those CDRs are GONE, man - please put it up on soulseek!!!!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:37 (twenty years ago) link

I like Terrestrial Tones.

but as far as the AT & PB stuff is concerned, what little I've heard all sounds like Cornelius.

Roger, Friday, 6 February 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

roger, I would except, well, I don't even own a computer.

Roger, have you only heard Spirit...? If you like TT I would reccomend Here Comes the Indian esp the "Two Sails" and "Infant Dressing Table" tracks.

Mitchell (Mitchell), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

mitchell - i guess then a burn is out of the question?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

roger, I'll see what I can do. I probably can use a friend's computer.

Mitchell (Mitchell), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

i'll take this opportunity to mention (for the sake of anybody reading this thread who hasn't made up their mind about buying it or not) that nothing i read from ilxors before buying prepared me for it.

i was expecting some sort of fried elephant six acid folk - instead i got dense sheets of tape manipulation and scary noises. i honestly feel this stuff is closer to stockhausen than elephant six.

i've heard some live jackie o motherfucker bootlegs (very heavy on turntables) that start to approximate the sound but yeah, it's very very tapeloop/effects heavy.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

Vahid, which record did you buy? My guess is you bought "Here Comes.." It's like the opposite of what I said to Roger. All the Elephant 6/ Flaming Lips comparisons make sense, maybe, when talking about Spirit or Campfire Songs.
The other stuff is definitely fucked.
But, in gerneal, I don't think Avey Tare gets enough credit for his ability to write hooks. Even the most effected, distorted material has a hook, imo.
eg the repeated vocal "hiccups" in "Infant Dressing Table" or the simple keyborad line in "I See You Pan"

The new record, recorded as a duo of AT and PB, is maybe the most acid folk material thus far. It is mainly acoustic guitars, fun percusion, and catchy (but still fucked) songwriting.

Mitchell (Mitchell), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

haha my friend doesn't like them because 'they sound like the beatles'.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:30 (twenty years ago) link

great hook: 'doggy' from campfire songs (still remaining the only animal collective i own due to being poor/slsk not working in the dorm--kakadelic???)

x-o-x-xo

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

mitchell - wow yeah i'd super appreciate that and promise to share with other ILXors, who are also, doubtlessly, jonesing to hear it

i have much to trade - email me if yr lookin for anything - can also pay postage and some extra if ya want

by the way, Avey's split with Grubbs on FatCat is awesome. there's an animal collective lp coming out on Fat Cat this year too

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

for some reason i tend to forget that half of "dusk at cubist castle" is abstract tape experiment. maybe that just shows that compared to animal collective or JoMF the e6 crew are tapeloop dilletantes.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:33 (twenty years ago) link

mitchell: good guess!

vahid (vahid), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:33 (twenty years ago) link

i think i can hear that beatles thing actually!

i dont like this that much any more either tho.

prima fassy (bob), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

i really hope you can sort something out with those jane cdrs, i'm dying to hear them. i wrote to the animal collective and they suggested trying other music again, and a couple of weeks ago they said they'd be getting some in last week, but i've heard nothing since :-(

zemko have you heard hollindagain?

toby (tsg20), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

keep up zemko!

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago) link

prima fassy

it was a good pun. it was just too punky. people would call me fassy and think it hurt. close your eyes little one! ack

zemko (bob), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

havent heard hollindagain no, it's the fat cat one right? feels a bit like the ship has sailed. i wanna hear the russian futurists more now! didnt fancy the double lepers either huh toby

zemko zemkingdom (bob), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

i miss prima fassy :(

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 7 February 2004 00:16 (twenty years ago) link

i'm not sure you'll like the russian futurists, prima fassy.

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 7 February 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

i d/led the first 3 rusfut trax off the website.

i hate it like the universe

cozemko (bob), Saturday, 7 February 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

shame on ya for missing double leopards!

I wanna hear this after vahid's stockhausen mention. he also sounds like the beatles.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 February 2004 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

eh caveat emptor - i am not a stockhausen expert!!

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 February 2004 01:40 (twenty years ago) link

hollindagain's the ultra limited live album that's impossible to find. except on slsk.

my flatmate was ill yesterday and i promised to cook her dinner, hence no double leopards for me...

toby (tsg20), Saturday, 7 February 2004 08:22 (twenty years ago) link

how do they do THAT?

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

wow, just downloaded the grubbs / avey split and it is really nice. very pastoral and mellow. the field recordings on abyss song are great. apparently there is a new album

might as well bring it up again, but if anyone would want to trade for the jane cd or has it on slsk i would would love to hear it!

they posted some new tour dates on the paw tracks site, euro / uk mainly (in april):

http://carparkrecords.com/pawtracks.html

marcg (marcg), Saturday, 14 February 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

er, i meant to say apparently there is a new paw tracks comp and panda solo album out this year...

marcg (marcg), Saturday, 14 February 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

the 30/4 london gig will also feature manitoba in some capacity i believe (djing?). i'm quite tempted to go to the 25th april one as well...

toby (tsg20), Saturday, 14 February 2004 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

manitoba step off

why don't they play atp? : / invite them, malkmus!

wow they're playing glasgow with múm!

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 14 February 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

yeah is the coronet the place near elephant and castle? that will be cool...wow, buffalo bar will be nice too, so small.

marcg (marcg), Saturday, 14 February 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

if this is gd, which it probably will be (hollindagain!!!), then i'll probly follow them through to edinburgh too. colin?

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 14 February 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
christ they're still so good, almost telepathic. the reports from the last show they played in nyc have made me jealous in a way i havent felt over a band in a long, long time.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 5 March 2004 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

i have been listening to campfire songs every night before i go to bed for a month now. i havent had any bad dreams, so i am reluctant to stop.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 5 March 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

they're playing in scotland 3 times over a week I think.

here's the line-up fr the triptych gig:

Andre Williams, Explosions in the sky, Fennesz, Animal Collective, Dabrye, Matthew Dear, jd Twitch and jg wilkes, eyoe dj's.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 5 March 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

dunno who aw is, never heard explosions nor dabrye. but fennesz, dear, ac and stirmonster!

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 5 March 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

I'm really sad that I didn't get off my ass and see them either of the times they played in NY recently. Campfire Songs = amazing beautiful.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 5 March 2004 04:49 (twenty years ago) link

the show a few weeks ago at the knitting factory was one of the most beautiful things i've seen in years. glasgow people, do not miss it! ian - for shame!

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 5 March 2004 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

i hate your lauren! i believe i had a paper due the next morning, but there was no reason for me not to go the show at barnard.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 5 March 2004 05:51 (twenty years ago) link

they're playing 3 times in london, too. i'm def going to two of them, not sure about the third...

toby (tsg20), Friday, 5 March 2004 07:14 (twenty years ago) link

seeing 'em again tonite (friday) in red hook, if people want to come with!

just got an advance copy of the new animal collective in the mail...and the article included w. the press sheet is the one i wrote! ahaha! the circle is complete!

geeta (geeta), Friday, 5 March 2004 07:29 (twenty years ago) link

what new one? the paw tracks one or the fat cat one?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 5 March 2004 08:17 (twenty years ago) link

where/when are they playing toby? (can't find tour details on web bah).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 5 March 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago) link

julio have a look here:

http://carparkrecords.com/pawtracks.html here are the dates. not sure what the 3rd one is...

April 25th - London, Old Vic Theatre w/ múm

May 6th - London, Buffalo Bar - TBC

marcg (marcg), Friday, 5 March 2004 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

thanks marc.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 5 March 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago) link

third one is toby's living room!*

*this may be a lie.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 5 March 2004 13:34 (twenty years ago) link

this one!

April 30th - London, Coronet Theatre, w/ Four Tet

actually it's with loads of ppl, matt dear, explosions in the sky, manitoba etc etc. i'm def going to this one and i guess the buffalo bar too (are tix on sale yet?).

toby (tsg20), Friday, 5 March 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

NYC People should come tonight to the hook 18 Commerce st in Red Hook.
Also playing is Blood on the Wall, another great NYC band.

Mitchell (Mitchell), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

Geeta I was so sure I'd see you at their Barnard show.

nabiscothingy, Friday, 5 March 2004 17:31 (twenty years ago) link

i didn't know there was a barnard show!!

geeta (geeta), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

geeta, that's what nyhappenings is for, duh. Blood on the Wall CD is coming soon, looks and sounds good...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
playing live in london tomorrow yo

but the half of sung tongs i've just now heard i don't find a tiny bit as good as 'here comes the indian'. i suppose this says something about me huh

prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Their tour with Black Dice will surely be my demise.

deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

its a bit like the devendra lp too actually like how where the 'progress' everyone's handwringing about i thought was much better left implicit in the supposedly difficult earlier stuff, and now it's been triple underlined some pretty magic has fallen away

prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

oh fuck i forgot the football's on

prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

prima i love sung tongs, but you were otm there. if anything it's depressing how much people are perking up now that good microphones were used. it don't seem to be about the music necessarily.

duke off, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

hey if i played rubberband man rmx over jadakiss 'champ is here' and went and listened next door i would get the best track on sung tongs!

prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

whoa

duke boo-yaa, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't look at it as "progress" so much as a detour. They'll go back and do something noisy soon enough I'm sure, but they're developing this one side of their sound on this record and I think they do so quite nicely. But it's definitely more accesible than anything else they've done so of course more people are going to like it.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

rumors have it one of them is moving to Portugal, so I wonder how much they'll be doing together in the future.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

but the noise is by the by! thats the whole thing, the old stuff was just as accessible

prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

prima otm

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

shorter songs and obviousness is a pretty poor understanding of "poppier"

prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

word

duke letter, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

they played to like 20 ppl here and everyone liked it.
un-beleivable live. great albums. prefer here comes to danse manatee.

peace,
a

andrew jones (andrew jones), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

heard four songs of theirs now and my reactions range from vague interest ('penny dreadfuls') to active dislike ('you could win a rabbit').

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

the one time i listened to sung tongs outside, as the sun was going down, drinking a beer, half falling asleep, it sounded GREAT. the rest of the time, less great, but still pretty good. if it's "pop" anything it's the "pop" version of campfire songs, but what made that record so good was how long the songs all went on for, droning into each other.

i still think they've yet to top spirit... to be perfectly honest.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

"Campfire Songs" might be the greatest nap album of all time.

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

agreed. i was listening to it every night before i went to bed for a long while there in the fall.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i saw them last friday and they were fantastic, definitely well worth going to see them. but i'm probably not going to go tonight as i am teaching in cambridge all day and will be tired. but we'll see.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link

is there a nonantagonistic way of saying i find the occasional "u gotta be in the right mood" apologism a bit suspect? here comes the indian made me feel that way, not the other way round. i will make the effort to here spirit... tho. 'you could win a rabbit' sux 4real. i'm not sure i get where fluxblog's coming from at all. come to think of it strike 3 on my sophomore slump fauxpop hitlist might be fiery furnaces! my indie operatives darkly grumble something about fatboy slim. but i'm reserving judgement on them for now, u know what indie ppl r like after all

prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

What am I missing with these guys? I'd rather just listen to the Wicker Man soundtrack.

adam (adam), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i find the occasional "u gotta be in the right mood" apologism a bit suspect

Agreed, but no more suspect than "it sounds great on a spring night driving on the highway with the windows rolled down." What *doesn't* sound great then?

And music that's "right for every occasion or mood" probably sounds like eggshell wallpaper.

Evanston Wade (EWW), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

epilogue: haha i did go see em that nite, but everyone stood me up so i ws alone and sad and thus the gig was like woooooooo! ironing huh. but er objectively they were terrific, and they can do it acoustic too. they oughta lose the scary rabbit head prop if they don't totally want to be the donnie darko soundtrack band tho

prima fassy (mwah), Saturday, 8 May 2004 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link

new video:

http://www.fat-cat.co.uk/amcollective_small.mov (8megs)
http://www.fat-cat.co.uk/amcollective_large.mov (20megs)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

be sure to watch during your lunch break

dleone (dleone), Friday, 14 May 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

that's not the innocuous suggestion it appears to be, it's a trap!

duke barf, Friday, 14 May 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Eat y'self fitter!

sexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i kept waiting for it to get weird, and then it did.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Eat y'self fitter?

mcd (mcd), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

sell sell sell

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

You're too smart for here:
http://www.cherryred.co.uk/crzone/newletters/may03/fall.jpg

sexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Wot's a computer?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Eat each other?

mcd (mcd), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I said-ah G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O-G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O-G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O-H-O-9-O-G-O-H-O

SexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

there's another, live video hidden on the fat cat web page, show's 'em playing "winter's love" with a segway into the "she's gonna have a baby" chant. it's about six or seven minutes i reckon.

www.fat-cat.co.uk/animal_web.mov

it's nice!

naturemorte, Saturday, 15 May 2004 04:14 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
So I've been listening to AC lately and I like them and everything, it's nice, but I'm also thinking that this is kinda Phish for people who hate Phish. Something about the combination of cuteness and twiddlyness (granted, they're production/sound geeks instead of virtuoso jam geeks, but that's what I mean about being for people who hate Phish). And even though people who hate Phish might like Animal Collective, I bet people who love Phish would like them too.

spittle (spittle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 05:39 (nineteen years ago) link

and/or they're Sigur Ros if Sigur Ros was from Brooklyn or wherever Animal Collective is from...

...or they're the Polyphonic Spree for noize dudes...

...or the Moldy Peaches for Laurie Anderson fans...

spittle (spittle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link

spittle, rolling stone said the exact same thing about ac and phish in their review of sung tongs.

tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm having some conceptual trouble reconciling their jam bandiness with my hatred of all things jam bandy. as you suggested, the sound/production angle let's me pretend that it's the processed semi-formless noise that i'm responding to and not the noodly bongo strum bits but i'm not sure i believe myself. that said, i can only really get behind a relatively tiny portion of their output

m. (mitchlnw), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i see them as what would happen if the Beach Boys had taken loads of acid in the monkey house at the zoo. i don't like to think of them as a jam band in any way whatsoever.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 26 August 2004 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I got more of a Phish vibe from the last Black Dice album. The spacier (non-Hawaiian-sounding) guitar parts really remind me of Phish's more ambient stuff.

Holla back Trey, Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-b-but they don't jam!

Bbeta, Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, the phish comparison upthread leads me to believe that person has has heard neither phish nor animal collective.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm confused, too, especially if that's being leveled w/r/t Sung Tongs: the parts of the album I like best I like best almost entirely because they're so coherently-crafted -- despite, you know, sounding like they wouldn't be. (It's the distance between "meow, kitties" as a Kogan-style "free lunch" throw-in and "meow, kitties" as a composition!)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the panda bear album leaked on slsk the other day... it sounds like what i imagined
animal collective would sound like by the way people describe them -- whereas animal
collective themselves seem to remain more or less indescribable (in alternately good and
bad ways).
i'm going to go see them at the echo in LA this weekend... anybody seen this tour yet?
playing with black dice... last time i saw black dice they sounded like lightning bolt
which i wasn't in to... what should i expect from both camps?

sung tongs is describable i guess.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

they are selling the panda bear cd/album (well this is his 2nd record) on this tour for $10.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

hm. then am i thinking of an avey tare solo record? someone's father died and an
album was recorded memorially... that's what i knew... i had trouble placing this panda
bear record... which was s/t, as that album, by the sound of it.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

yes the one you describe is the one they are selling.

panda bear's first album is long OOP (the first Animal Collective related release? 1999?) and very hard to track down material copies of.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

There are 2 Panda Bear records. An old one that I hear he's kinda disowned, pretty good indie/krauty/home recorded electronic pop stuff, and the new one Young Prayer which is out in september but promos are out now and they're selling them at shows I guess. I haven't listened to it yet.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

their music's more powerful than your pollution.

(nb: this is a more general point, I don't like nu-AC.)

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"moldy peaches for laurie anderson fans" sounds perversely great.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

my dad finds it deeply distressing that with my record collection i still have no space
in my heart for laurie anderson... though i did use the 'sorry.... i'm not home right now....'
bit for my answering machine for a while. i think that that was the sole reason my dad
re-extended his offer to pay for school for me (after i fucked up. a lot.).

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

did see the Bowery show on the tour. for once, AC is not playing ahead of their records (in that they retire the songs after their proper release). BD was malevolent in their loudness. after seeing them twice with tripping visuals (Forcefield for one, Ken Jacobs for another), i really feel they lack without it now.
you should pick up "Wastered" though. nice stuff.

BbetaA, Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

black dice would have been better with visuals last night. I did like them though. animal collective I did not (much); everything I did like about them I get out of listening to trout mask replica or something at home.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"...almost entirely because they're so coherently-crafted..."

this is true (about most everything they've done) but what i'm beginning to realize is that not everyone can discern this. obv some effort is required i suppose, but some people are in the swing of looking for at least new-seeming twists in music, having unearthed a lot already, so it's not "effort" exactly. it's a seeking out of surprise on one hand, but also an ability to recognize when an actual surprise has reared up.
others who aren't so inclined generally just refute this whole premise outright, see it as off-putting pathology etc. but usually they have little else but cute scoffing exercises to run through and tend to like to leave it at that. gold-medal cutesy types you know them. i want to feel transported, not inducted into an unserious pavilion of snark, personally.

duke abscond, Friday, 27 August 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-b-but they don't jam!

Right, well, hence the "for people who hate Phish" qualifier. Their noodliness is of a more intellectual sort. They're conceptually noodly.

spittle (spittle), Friday, 27 August 2004 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

See, I'm not sure how anyone could listen to e.g. "Leaf House" (which, as always, is the track I'm thinking of) and not hear it as pretty much as structurally coherent as the average pop song: its parts all lock together in a seriously "composed" way, and the way that they move from one to the other is probably even more deliberately crafted than the average chart track. Which is a feeling that, for me, seems to follow through most of that record, apart from a couple specific "mood" tracks that were likely more loosely constructed. I've actually spent time wondering how their writing process for this record might have worked -- the sound would seem to imply that it was sort of pieced up from nothing, with no particular outcome in mind, parts added where they fit and etc. -- but there's just too much stuff in there that belies that particular framework.

nabisothingy, Friday, 27 August 2004 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

black dice would have been better with visuals last night.

you should think twice before you say something like this. last night's show had a mostly lit loft with a few colored lights and a chandelier above the bands. the fucking dumbshit dj thought he'd be cute (i think he actually thought he was doing a good job) by flicking the lights on and off. it wasn't ever even in rhythm or during exciting moments.

JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Some songs have "parts", others don't (or their parts are less obvious). "Leaf House" (and "Who Could Win A Rabbit") are "songs" in the only sense anyone really cares about: they have clear melodies, are structured in a logical way (w/A sections and B sections and so forth) and are sung. There is nothing "jam band" about them. Nor is there anything very "jam band" about, say, the last three songs on the record, because I don't consider meandering strumming with equally meandering vocals to be "jamming". I consider it meandering - and I hardly mean that in a negative sense. Jam bands stretch ideas out, use variations, come together to a climax. There seems to be much more sitting and staring during the looser moments of Sung Tongs; contemplating, worshipping, leaving out the direction that's always implied in a jam.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Was anyone at either of the L.A. shows this weekend? I caught the Knitting Factory show, which was very nice. Black Dice could have played longer. They were all out of Wastered 12"s, sadly. I thought it was mildly underattended. Lots of people left after A.C. finished.

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

hi people, what is the name of the song with the lyric:

"self doubt, i'll doubt i'll find a swimming pool"... or something similar?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Ben, I was at both shows. The Echo was packed. It seemed like there might've been more people there, than at the Knitting Factory, but it could've been the same amount just in two differently sized venues.

They had copies of Wastered at the Echo and then sold out. 50% of the audience left after AC played, at the Echo, as well.

Also, if you thought that the show was underattended, you should've been at the Acid Mothers Temple. There were at most 25 people there.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw the Bowery show and I do think Animal Collective could appeal to people into the jam band scene. No, that doesn't mean I think they're a jam band, but there were certain qualities in the performance that jam fans would appreciate.

And why are people leaving before Black Dice play? I thought they were better than AC that night.

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, at the Echo they had equipment troubles.

But even more than that, I don't feel like seeing them live adds anything to the music. You've got one guy looking nervous and afraid, another playing guitar but hidden by his effects case and a third guy sort of dancing in place and twiddling knobs. Basically, the only interaction is when Bjorn cocks his head to the side and mouths something to the other guys.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Animal Collective definitely goes for - and achieves - more of a connection with the audience. They played a clear cut set, with nice regular guy banter in between songs (the singer kept seeming genuinely shocked by all the applause in between songs, saying "jeez, thanks - it's sweet to play here!"). Black Dice are more intense -- no breaks during the set, bursts of noise, no acknowledgement of the crowd. It's just a different thing altogether.
Did you get a Wastered 12", Dean? I am dying to hear that thing! Was Acid Mother's Temple at the Echo too?

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I picked up a couple up on Saturday. In fact, the merch guy seemingly gave me a bit of attitude when I asked to buy two copies.

AMT was at Spaceland one night and KF the next. The KF show was awesome because no one was there, but the a/c was out and it was HOT AS FUCK. They were selling $1 Rolling Rocks to make up for it.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I do not go see Black Dice live in order to witness a performance or music theater. For me, I do not care if they acknowledge their audience and if I was living in '73 then I would not fault Tangerine Dream for not interacting with the crowd, too.

I go see BD because their music in the live setting is so much more visceral, huge and physical than when I play their records in my home. I find recorded-BD and live-BD as two related but vastly difference perspectives of the same band like two wildly different photographs of the same person.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Good for you. But Pitchfork doesn't tell LA hipsters to expect that, so they don't stick around ;D

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you calling yourself an "L.A. hipster" because you were the one who I thought expressed dissappointment in BD's lack of interaction with the crowd? I'm confused...

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I said that I don't feel like seeing them live adds anything to the music. I enjoyed it in spite of that. I'm also saying that the lack of audience participation is probably why so many people left. Also, the Echo show was delayed, so that may have had something to do with it as well.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

After seeing them 2x on this tour, I began to wonder just how much of Black Dice's set is canned?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Does "canned" mean pre-recorded or something like that?

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Gygax, you can't plan that kind of equipment failure.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"canned" means bjorn loading in 3 minidiscs into his sampler/equipment about 5 minutes before "showtime".

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

It definitely seems that way, judging from the two nights that I saw them. It baffles me even more then that they'd cut Hisham and the drums out of the band completely when that brought some kinetic energy to their set. If they were going to focus on playing galleries and such, then I could see that decision being a lot easier, but you've got to figure that doing a tour sans drummer would be rough. I'm sure they did though and don't care.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"I do not go see Black Dice live in order to witness a performance"
?!?!?! You just go for the $6 beers, and if they happen to decide to hold one on the night you bought a ticket for, it's a nice bonus?
I wasn't upset with Black Dice's lack of interaction; I was just noting it... I thought they were pretty fantastic. It was my first time seeing them post-drummer (and on the West Coast).

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

>I began to wonder just how much of Black Dice's set is canned?

I would personally say: a great deal.

(Jon L), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

:(

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

me too

I have Panda Bear's first album - Wifey thinks parts of it sound like Amnesiac-era Radiohead and, though I'd never have drawn that conclusion myself, that seems kinda accurate. It's not too good, in retrospect.

The song "Fire" from it is pretty decent.

it isn't slskable?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, milton! i knew you'd know.

it would be great if there was more of an equipment failure in BD's sets and they'd have to revert back to SEMEN OF THE SUN.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

they should incorporate inevitable equip. failure into their show. make it like theatre. i could use sparks and pyro, also.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

They should become Fisherspooner is what I'm saying.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

They can aim higher than that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Like the Associates or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't notice any mistakes! :*

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

do they still try to start fights and throw bottles?

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog-

Why the sarcasm?
Why edit my quote to change its meaning?
Why jump on me when my point was in contrast to Dean?'s very valid take on BD live (which I am not saying is wrong in any way just diff. than mine.)

The full sentence that I originally wrote was
"I do not go see Black Dice live in order to witness a performance OR MUSIC THEATER."

Maybe I am not making my point. What I am saying is I do not experience Black Dive live like I would, say the Stooges or any other group that performs in the words purest sense like Frank Sinatra or Bowie or Liza or whomever. They move; they dance, they are personalities and their performances work as a form of theater, too. I would not expect this from BD. Half the time my eyes are closed and/or they are not in my field of vision. But, I love their sound via huge fucking PA's.

Does this make sense? Or, is my point still so totally foriegn that the only response possible is sarcasm? I hope not.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Anybody catch Ariel Pink's set at the Echo?

sexyDancer, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

No, Justin, you're right -- the sarcasm was uncalled for (and was more in response to the phrasing than the sentiment). And I wasn't being totally honest when I said I was simply "noting" that Black Dice don't offer up any interaction. I do find it to be a little too... expected maybe? Predictable? I mean, I find a lot of elements of the noise/avant scene to be so elitist and standoffish, and I felt like the Black Dice show was a bit of a bummer since it almost encouraged this sort of vibe. (again, whereas Animal Collective seemed genuinely appreciative and cool). Of course, this response to Black Dice is more of a kneejerk thing at this point -- I know the band's vibe and know what to expect, having seen them before at a couple different points in their existance -- and it's really even irrelevant, since I thoroughly enjoy their albums and the live show!
So, yeah, I was distilling your comment into a prejudiced caricature of a Black Dice fan -- so hardcore that he doesn't go to the show to see a performance -- he goes for the pure, uncut, cooler-than-thou VIBE! Which was unfair of me.

And just as a helpful tip to you: At this point in a thread, Jon Williams usually steps in here to say "Shut up, Ben, what do you know? You like Dave Matthews" and it gets me to shut up, since he's right.

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

That's cool. BTW- I am not very hip or cool. I simply morph into a total stoner whenever I go see Animal Collective and Black Dice. Sad but true. :)
^is this still an acceptable symbol to use in '04?

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Anybody catch Ariel Pink's set at the Echo?

Yes ... unfortunately.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

And I say that mainly because I wanted to show up at 10:30, figuring that I would miss Ariel Pink, esp. since the venue listed AC as going on at 10:30. Still, Ariel Pink when on at around 10:35. I'm just thankful that I don't still fall for showing up at whatever time is listed on the ticket.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Doesn't Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti have something out on Paw Tracks? What does it/he/they sound like?

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

His music sounded like something that I might enjoy very much on album but not live, at least, not at the Echo that night. It sounded like spooky pop? Like you were hearing these odd pop songs through an AM radio.

I was mostly bothered by him constantly shouting demands to the soundboard - turn off the delay, more vocals in the monitor, less delay, ok i want the delay back - and his seeming lack of interest in just performing. It wasn't like these were highly crafted songs, so they didn't seem to need all of the fuss that was being made over them.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

beyond description home recording one man band who balances do-anything pop genius with methamphetamine jumble. His pevious releases "House Arrest" and "Worn Copy" are instant classics. I always play these for late night hangers on and impress them without exception. I can't imagine how he would manage a live show, but maybe he can't(?)

sexyDancer, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I got the impression that he hadn't performed a lot. His reaction to things seemed to indicate that.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost
or maybe these people aren't to be listened to? eh, sexy?

duke dance, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still interested in hearing the album though, fwiw.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"pevious" should be "pervious"

sexyDancer, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, "totally fucking perverted."

sexyDancer, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

yr projectin' now

duke overhead, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to say, his website is completely genius (and also really sweet): http://www.arielpink.com/pages/1/index.htm

I am suddenly deeply curious to hear this. What about "The Doldrums," Sexy? That seems to be the easiest to find...

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

nope it ain't out yet. house arrest/lover boy on cdbaby.com?
we've got 'worn copy,' or also rhystop's site...

duke pink, Monday, 30 August 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

http://cdbaby.com/cd/arielpink

duke here, Monday, 30 August 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

and/or open this on a player, called "alisa"

http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/arielpink-09.m3u

duke check, Monday, 30 August 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
"Just how great is the new Animal Collective and Vashti Bunyan EP?! More on this later." - geeta

as I said over there: O.M.G.W.T.F? details!

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

MOST OVERRATED BAND IN NEW YORK

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

spirit they've vanished is good, ian. so is the campfire songs cd. here comes the indian is alright, good in places. sung tongs no thanks yeah yr right.

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The only one I really dig is Campfire Songs; I don't get what the big deal is re: the rest. Though I haven't heard the live LP.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Animal Collective + Vashti Bunyan details, please!

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought you liked the Animal Collective Ian? Personally I hear knew things every time I hear Sung Tongs. They're like an acoustic Boards of Canada or a primate Beach Boys or something.
Not so keen on the early electronick-ish stuff though. I'm still wrapping my head round Campfire and ...Indian too.

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't really hate Animal Collective, which it may seem like, but I don't think they deserve all the praise they're getting. Again, I quite like the Campfire Songs album. Sung Tongs is just Olivia Tremor Control redux, and the rest don't grab me as particularly interesting or innovative.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, so you took acid and went camping. We get it already

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

"They're like an acoustic Boards of Canada or a primate Beach Boys or something" = you make them sound like the worst band ever, dl.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 March 2005 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

saying Sung Tongs is Olivia Tremor Control redux is extremely lazy...why? Because there are beach-boys harmonies? Because they experiment in the studio? Because they have a long droning song? For one thing, their exploration of acoustic layering and child-like mantras is worlds away from OTC's beatles obsession...they are concerned with the innocence and euphoria of youth, whereas OTC was exploring more free-thinking, acid-philosophy.. Ian says they're the most overrated band in Ny ?!?!...This is amazing to me, as I figured that they are the last band someone could say this about...They are definetely the type of band I can see keeping their integrity intact and constantly exploring new possibilities (each of their albums sounds completely different - sometimes like a completely different band)...MOST PROMISING BAND in NY is more like it!

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Monday, 7 March 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

they sound like the beatles.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 March 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

How can I save this realplayer stream onto my computer?

Magic City (ano ano), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Their new record will be their best.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The new (full band) songs seem like a combination of what made Sung Tongs and HCTI great....the restless insanity of the latter and the pop sensibilities/tribal intensity of the former...though I did see them recently at the Bowery and felt that it was a little flat, the two NY shows that they played at the end of 2004 (with the same songs) were incredible

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

gygax otm

details are they recorded three songs with vashti in england last spring I think. They were three songs they had left over from the sung tongs era. Fat Cat is releasing it as an ep in may or something. They should have them for sale on their april tour.

Magic City (ano ano), Monday, 7 March 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Any idea if the Vashti Bunyan EP is going to be a tour only thing, or widely available?

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

it'll be out on fat cat in may

naturemorte, Monday, 7 March 2005 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

animal collective feat. vashti bunyan
'prospect hummer' ep

1. it's you
2. prospect hummer
3. baleen sample
4. I remember learning how to drive

16th may, 2005

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 09:45 (nineteen years ago) link

wow that sounds amazing

owen reading, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 10:29 (nineteen years ago) link

It is a great EP, short (15 minutes) and sweet, and her voice works v. well w/ what they're doing.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yeah, for those who were looking for song ID's from that live set from may of last year (acoustic, mostly sung-tongs stuff)--at least two of the segments from that show, as much as i can gather, will be on the ep-- "it's you" ("it's still growing...") and the lovable jingle about that friendly brother, the cat, whose only friend is the food bowl. "i remember learning how to drive" i think is the last song they played at the other music instore half a year ago. i thought it was "i remember learning how to dive" when i heard it, a la "what about bob".

naturemorte, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

AC&Vashti, DFA&Liquid Liquid, Jack White&Loretta Lynn.. what is it with bands nowadays working with musicians they wish they were?

Ok ok i know, Ramones & Spector. But still, sheesh. What's next the Flaming Lips and Syd Barrett?

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Why is this a problem?

Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I think this is the right idea.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

i think its an OK idea in this case, but sort of boring in general. it rubs me slightly wrong the same way all of these reunions have (except unrest! unrest is the best! except unrest! unrest is the best!). i dont know, obv this isnt a cash cow, per se, but these things just scream "one-off" and "interesting career asterisk". those things arent intrinsically bad, i guess. they make me feel weird, though.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

what's up with artists working with people they admire?! i don't get it!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

nothing wrong with it - guest appearances just seem gimmicky to me sometimes. actually, maybe thats a little rockist of me.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I think they did it right in this case, though. Four little songs and the pairing makes sense.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

fair enough - i cant wait to hear it, regardless - just makes me really REALLY want a new proper LP. again, rockism rockism rockism.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't worry they are recording the new lp even as we speak!!! uh, type.

Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

What's next the Flaming Lips and Syd Barrett?

let's hope so. their collab. with spongebob squarepants was garbage.

eman (eman), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't get it either, weirdoes.

what's up w.working w.artists who are artistically strapped?

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

this ep's pretty good, though i like the instrumental "baleen sample" the most. not as good as sung tongs.

eman (eman), Thursday, 17 March 2005 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

the new Ariel Pink is fucking dope

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 17 March 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I love that cover of 'I just called to say I love you' they were doing live this past tour. They said they'll probably record it, as it's part of some longer original material they have. But yeah, as gygaz mentioned above and magic city seconded, their next record is bound to be amazing, judging from the recent live stuff.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

could somebody yousendit that animal collective live show for me? pretty please?

Rizzx, Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

in SF/Oakland, they didn't really cover "i just called to say I love you", they just inserted the chorus once into one of their songs. It was all of about 30 seconds maybe.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

That's too bad- they really stretched it out when they played in Philly (right before Thanksgiving). Also, above, I meant 'gygax' not gygaz. finger-slip. I guess the new album will be out, what- late summer/early fall, maybe?

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:27 (nineteen years ago) link

They are in the studio now so probably later this year. The "swimming pool" song will be on there if you remember that one.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I do remember 'swimming pool'- that one's pretty great. I hope they do another live album too, at some point...

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

it's funny to hear vashti sing "i was hiiiiiiiii-IIIIIIIGH"

amon (eman), Monday, 21 March 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh shit. This Vashti collaboration is great.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

yes

who's asking? (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

its true - i was skeptical, but its very very good, esp "i remember...".

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link

it is really ravishing, a best-case scenario for those two forces combining and each being undiminished . . . . yummy

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I really wish I hadn't paid attention to the lyrics of the title track, they're so fucking twee that I can't bear to listen again.

amon (eman), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Should have paid more attention to this thread much earlier. 'Here Comes the Indian' is stunning, a revelation.

I didn't realise the Jane, responsible for the magnificent 'Bezerker', was a AC spin-off either.

stevo (stevo), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:33 (eighteen years ago) link

that stevie wonder line won't be found on the new album, word up.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 14 July 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Really? That's surprising. That little 'I just Called to say I love you' interpolation was one of the coolest and most surprising things about that song (Big Big Beat, don't know what the studio name is). So have you heard it then, the recorded version?

Kevin H (Kevin H), Saturday, 23 July 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm not too surprised the "i just called to say i love you" bit isn't on the album; they'd probably have to credit stevie wonder for it (and lose some royalties in the process) or risk a lawsuit. (oh, i'm pretty sure "big big beat" is now called "the purple bottle" on the album because there's a line about a bottle if you listen to some of the live recordings out there.)

spastic heritage, Sunday, 24 July 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link

so has this leaked yet?

rizzx (rizzx), Sunday, 24 July 2005 09:15 (eighteen years ago) link

But in the live recordings, the 'bottle' line is in the "I just called to say I love you" section, so if that's been removed, I don't see any real compelling reason that they would name the song 'the purple bottle'. They could have just as well named it 'Bees'. x-post

And no, I don't think it's leaked yet.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Sunday, 24 July 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

well, this is all guesswork here. we'll see what it sounds like when the album comes out or gets leaked (if you're impatient). personally, i'm going to wait until october for it to be released since i already know it will be excellent, based on the new material i've seen them play. that "swimming pool" song ("banshee beat" on the lp) is SO FUCKING GOOD.

spastic heritage, Sunday, 24 July 2005 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
hi people, what is the name of the song with the lyric:
"self doubt, i'll doubt i'll find a swimming pool"... or something similar?

-- gygax! (gygax0...), August 30th, 2004 9:20 AM. (gygax!)

"banshee beat"!

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

and wow, it kicks asssssss

Fetchboy (Felcher), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked Sung Tongs, but this new record is seriously just one big "WTF"

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

...?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, "wtf" in what way? i find it more straightforward than any of their previous records.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

it sounds very, very much like their recent live shows (past year or so) with a lot of that material being present on the record. much more spastic/electric than sung tongs. sort of 'same-y' at times.

b'angelo, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i find it more straightforward than any of their previous records.


Really? It sounds almost like a completely diferrent band to me, there's nothing as immediate as "Leaf House" or "Who Could Win a Rabbit" (though I did like "Grass" a bit, but even that was just a total headfuck), there's so much going on, the vocals sound really different... the production is odd.. it's a lot noiseier... it's just not what I expected, that's all.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

has it leaked then? what's the title?

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"Feels", promo's been out a month. Just got mine though :_(

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost to Brainwasher

that's all true about the faster songs, which seem more like Animal Collective's take on rock - the slower songs are more Sung Tongs-ish. all of it is extremely enjoyable.

lemin (lemin), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

brainwasher, have you heard here comes the indian? because feels is pretty much a nice mix of HCTI's sonix and Sung Tongs's songs.
also, i say them live a couple months ago, so i kind of knew what to expect.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

It seems kind of closed in to me, where Sung Tongs was bursting out. I wish this was a little "wilder".

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, the production on this makes the songs a lot thicker it seems like- Scott Colbourne for Feels vs. Rusty Santos on Sung Tongs (and pretty much everything before, right?). But it does a good job of capturing the energy they had when they were playing these songs live on the last tour, and there are a lot of nice touches (the piano parts, for example).

Kevin H (Kevin H), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Can anyone clue me in on how to check this out? Couldn't find it on slsk. Any chance someone coud YSI a track or two?

Oklahomie, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

it's on slskkk!!
soemtime search works better if you go in a big rrom and do 'room search'


hint:

INDIE ROOM

hais!, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i wrote a little about it at my b-spot:
http://imbidimts.blogspot.com/2005/08/beta-feels-feels.html

b8a, Thursday, 11 August 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
so is ' i remember how to dive' supposed to have that clicking texture/noise through the whole track or do i have a faulty mp3?

kephm (kephm), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it's supposed to be there

percussion

lf, Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I own the CD, and yeah, it is there.

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

ok though so thanks

kephm (kephm), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

sounds like a click track to me.

spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I was pretty unenthused about AC before this year, then they released "Feels" and it blows my mind. So of course I figured there was something about them I'd been missing all along and that things had finally clicked with me on "Feels" for whatever reason. I returned to "Sung Tongs" and "Campfire Songs" ... and they're exactly as I remember them. Worse, even. Now ------ we're --------------- strumming ------------- slowly, nowwe'restummingfast!!!!*!*&!&!*! ---------------------------------------------------- slow ------ again.

Did they smoke up with the devil before writing the songs on "Feels"?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 15 December 2005 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I was pretty unenthused about "Sung Tongs" until that one day when I was coming back from Amsterdam by bus, it was middle of the night and we wer cruising through somplace and this really cool get-to-sleep music comes on randomly on the ipod.

Jibé (Jibé), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess people don't have patience for the old stuff...to say it's just slow strumming is baffling to me, maybe you're hearing it with ears that are conditioned to simple pop...but I've listened to everything in their catalog extensively, and Feels really fails to reach the transcendent levels of Sung Tongs, Campfire Songs and HCTI..Feels is a concise view of their overall sound, but it loses a lot of the magic in the condensation process

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

and the fact that the singing went from angelic harmonies to Ween doesn't help

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

MindinRewind, EVERY song/album/artist/genre sounds like crap when you describe their music in a series of first person sentences from their perspective. I mean, here's every post-rock song ever.
Look at this we're playing real mellow and slow... now it's kind of loud... UH OH IT'S LOUD NOW!!!!! ------ Now it's quiet again... GETTING KIND OF LOUD... REAL LOUD!!!!! ---- lol now it's quiet.

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

yeh - and what's with all that boomboomboom music? Rubbish! Hip hop? It's just people shouting. Metal's all RAARGH RAARGH RAARGH and it all sounds the same.

Carl Handwriting (dog latin), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, you guys are right, I was being unfair there. But I'm surprised at myself that I don't have "patience for the old stuff", considering how much ambient, drone, Kranky, etc. I own. I probably overstated my case too -- I don't dislike the old stuff, but it doesn't capture me. I listened to "Campfire Songs" again last night and it was just ... pleasant.

"Feels" is a noisier record (in the shoegaze sense) than anything else I've heard from them, I know that has something to do with why I like it so much.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I also have to note that my dumb little parody doesn't apply to "Feels" -- a few of the songs are anchored by charging, constant backbeats (rhythmic minimalism = another thing I'd expect myself to like).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

mindinrewind, have you listened to spirit they're vanished, spirit they've gone, danse manatee or here comes the indian? if you only hear campfire songs and sung tongs, you're not really getting the whole picture.

spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Thursday, 15 December 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard "Here Comes the Indian", but not the others. Inasmuch as you can't really compare ten-minute noise crescendoes to off-kilter psych-pop, I think I like it better than "Sung Tongs". But like I said, I like noisy records, so some of their gentler acoustic songs tend to lose my interest.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 15 December 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

MindInRewind, it took me a long time to get into anything other than Sung Tongs, and even that took me a while to figure out. I'd say if anything, listen to "Two Corvettes" off of Campfire Songs and read along the lyrics - that's what did it for me. The carefree, summery, peaceful joy mashed up against the last section nearly brings me to tears. "Doggy" too, but less so.

For me Sung Tongs is my fave cos it's completely original and it sounds very organic and meticulously unprepared. Feels is fine, but veers very close to Flaming Lips territory at times. Sung Tongs just sounds like the Beach Boys playing messed up folk songs in the middle of the desert whilst peeling out on the strongest shrooms ever and I love it. One of the most important albums of this decade for me. But as I say, it took me a long time for it to click. Tracks like "Visiting Friends" can be pretty tedious and overlong, but I'd say something like "We Tigers" epitomises the tribal harmonic joy of that point in their career.

Carl Handwriting (dog latin), Friday, 16 December 2005 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

also, danse manatee and spirit they've gone are mediocre efforts at best. accomplishedly sophomoric but i wouldn't recommend them to people who are starting out. Never really "got" Here Comes The Indian either, although I can kinda see the appeal behind it. I think.

Carl Handwriting (dog latin), Friday, 16 December 2005 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I always liked Sung Tongs, but it really clicked for me after I read Avey's description of it as a catalogue of comic book adventures around the city. I think the campfire/woods thing gets played up too much for it. But as little vignettes of crazy urban life, it makes so much sense and flows so well.

helperbird, Friday, 16 December 2005 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i think spirit... is far from mediocre -- it was the first thing i heard from them and it's probably still my favorite. i'm slightly befuddled by the "sung tongs is the best" crowd. (not that i don't love that album too...)

spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Friday, 16 December 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Any word on rhe new album for '07? A European Tour seems to be slowly building up.

I know, right?, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

They recorded the new record in march in tuscon with scott colburn. they are now mixing it so i guess it will come out in the fall. on domino. spring tour of the south/midwest too

mizzell, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 02:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Does that mean that Person Pitch isn't being toured (also the Avey Tare backwards thing that seems pretty intriguing...) I have been listening to Hollingdagain. I know they are playing in Utrecht so I am considering blowing all the summer job money I make on going there. Also I have a friend from there, so that would be nice.

I know, right?, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

ooh, Scott´s presence is a good sign. dude is a really, really good engineer.

sleeve, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i've really tried to like sung tongs. it's not working very well for me. i like it in "theory" but i never want to listen to it.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Really, but it's so poppy! I get a bit like that about Manatee Danse more. It's a little off putting sometimes. I think there's something really addictive about Mouth Wooed Her especially. It's so much fun!

I know, right?, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...

I saw a.c. back in july and i'm still impressed. I think the newest material is a lot better than strawberry jam (which is still good). Right now I think this newest stuff is kinda the best dance music ever. specially 'material things' is wonderful techno-ish. Anyone seen them lately and feeling the same?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HXQ1ybwBM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iSG6U2YcQ0

maarten, Friday, 24 August 2007 07:43 (sixteen years ago) link

animal collective is my favorite band to see live. they are always so totally on fire that i feel like i am staring into my heart.

elan, Friday, 24 August 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

this new material is really cool i am glad

elan, Friday, 24 August 2007 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

NO

Brigadier Pudding, Friday, 24 August 2007 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Saw them in Tripod last night. Fucking brilliant. No further discussion required.

I know, right?, Monday, 5 November 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, when I saw them live in Berlin a few weeks ago they were astonishing. Total intergalactic balearic in parts, especially for their encore.

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

saw them in paris two weeks ago. the best live show i've seen.

(and i found them awful twice before)

poortheatre, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

MindinRewind, EVERY song/album/artist/genre sounds like crap when you describe their music in a series of first person sentences from their perspective. I mean, here's every post-rock song ever.
Look at this we're playing real mellow and slow... now it's kind of loud... UH OH IT'S LOUD NOW!!!!! ------ Now it's quiet again... GETTING KIND OF LOUD... REAL LOUD!!!!! ---- lol now it's quiet.

Wait, how did this not become its own joke thread? I want to see more genres described.

Cunga, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Gauntlet Hair is a relatively unknown pair of dudes who are named Andy and Craig, from the small-ish (23,000 population) Colorado town of Lafayette. The pair garnered a fair amount of attention after being part of the Rhinoceropolis-curated block of Denver-based bands that played at the post-SXSW Mexican extravaganza MtyMx. The band’s track “I Was Thinking… ” is a pretty insatiable guitar stomp that throws some R&B and soul into the lo-fi revival pot, mixing heavily-reverbed guitars with a simple, but undeniably booty-shaking beat. Add in some Animal Collective-style vocal melodies and you’ve got something pretty fantastic.

Does anything quite make you want to not hear a band like "Add in some Animal Collective-style vocal melodies"?

Cunga, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I was this lose to wanting to hear the band but then they throw down that little detail at the last minute and I'm backing out and taking off the headphones

Cunga, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link

the fact that "post-anco" is a real thing and not just some ironic yuks on a message board blows my mind

TeRRaFuGiA FLYinG CaR - ELeCTRiC DReaMs - PHiLiP OaKLeY / GiorGiO MoRoDeR (LOLK), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Moaning about Animal Collective's aesthetic and bands who may or may not have taken queues from it according to some wack journo

= dud.

village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Didn't want to derail the ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS thread by posting more AC lyrics after ilxor did, but man:

There’s no one, there’s no one, there's no one
No one
There’s no one, no one, there’s no one
No one,
(Kit, kit kit kit kit kit kit kit ................)
There’s no one, no one, there’s no one, no one,
(Kit, kit kit kit kit kit kit kit ................)
There’s no one, no one, there’s no one to say meow, kitties
Meow (kitties)
Meow (kitties)
Meow (kitties)
Meow

ksh, Saturday, 3 July 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i dont think anyone has ever claimed that their lyrics are any good

WEB SHERIFF ᶠᶸᶜᵏᵧₒᵤ (LOLK), Saturday, 3 July 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link

kit kit kit kit kit kit kit

ksh, Saturday, 3 July 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link

i dont think anyone has ever claimed that their lyrics are any good

ILX wanked itself silly over My Girls' lyrics AIRC

so you want Mark Ronson to cry into your ass (acoleuthic), Saturday, 3 July 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link

ILX wanked itself silly over My Girls' lyrics AIRC

Because they almost make sense for a change?

AC are definitely a "vocals as instrument" band for me - sometimes the words trigger direct associations that enhance the song ("I remember learning how to dive", "open up your throat"), sometimes they're awful (the Avey Tare "sexy" songs), usually they're just sounds with little more symbolism than the yelpy bits that punctuate them. I say this as a massive AC fan btw.

seandalai, Saturday, 3 July 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link

^^

ksh, Saturday, 3 July 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link

ya I am Animal Collective fan #1 but I think I'd be safe to give an Avey Tare poetry book a miss. I think there's some nice enough stuff on the past three albums (babies pooing aside), but prty sure that Leaf House isn't one they spent hours working through on the page before daring vocalise it.

NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 3 July 2010 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://www.atpfestival.com/sized/files/img/events/20110513-animalfix_670x0.jpg

All Tomorrow's Parties curated by Animal Collective
13th-15th May 2011 at Butlins Holiday Centre, Minehead
On Sale Friday 29th October from www.seetickets.com

We are very pleased to invite one of the most exciting indie success stories of the last decade to curate the only ATP festival weekend of May 2011. Animal Collective's last album Merriweather Post Pavilion was hailed with universal acclaim; 5 Stars from Uncut, 8/10 from NME and a 9.6 from Pitchfork, who also named it their album of the year and put it in their top 20 albums of the decade. ATP promoter Barry Hogan: "I always wondered what kind of mixtape Animal Collective would put together, so we are really stoked that they are climbing into the curating hot seat at Butlins next May where they will headline and curate the festival that includes the likes of Lee Scratch Perry and Gang Gang Dance from an already eclectic mix of 40+ acts."

The first announcements chosen by Animal Collective for the line-up are:

ANIMAL COLLECTIVE
GANG GANG DANCE
LEE SCRATCH PERRY
ARIEL PINK'S HAUNTED GRAFFITI
BROADCAST
BLACK DICE
MEAT PUPPETS performing Up On The Sun
THE FROGS performing It's Only Right & Natural
IUD
OMAR-S
PRINCE RAMA
SPECTRUM
DENT MAY
GROUP DOUEH
THE BROTHERS UNCONNECTED
SUBLIME FREQUENCIES DJs + Films
DERADOORIAN
ZOMBY
VLADISLAV DELAY

with far more to be announced!

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 10:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I like a fair bunch of that, especially The Frogs and Omar-S

I can't wait to get home and climb aboard... GROCERY GROIN (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link

man i like a lot of that

just sayin, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link

was always expecting them as the inevitable curators and they are naturally doing an awesome job

max readroom (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 11:34 (thirteen years ago) link

this does look amazing actually.

village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 11:45 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i mean whether you like AC or not, dudes have great taste

O Let's Group Doueh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 12:11 (thirteen years ago) link

the return of dance music to atp!? O_O

your mum, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 12:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Can I afford to go to ATP and Primavera in the same month, is the question...

village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link

vlad!!

hælvæticæ (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link

animal collective awesome job, great taste

am0n, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link

dire lineup except for meat puppets and group doueh

am0n, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

what no Shellac

Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link

the other side of takeout is mildew on rice

markers (crüt) (markers) (crüt) (markers) (crüt) (markers), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

lee perry will be performing his masterpiece "jamaican ET" in its entirety

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link

OMAR-S performing Fabric 45

am0n, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

would see

BROADCAST
OMAR-S
ZOMBY
VLADISLAV DELAY

everything else is terrible

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

prolly not the thread to express that viewpoint

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

ARIEL PINK'S HAUNTED GRAFFITI
BROADCAST

would be cool to see. i kind of like animal collective, too (or, at least, i bet they'd put on an interesting show). i love lee perry, but in 2010? and prince rama are an intriguing act to me.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link

you are a total dipshit if you think group doueh is terrible

O Let's Group Doueh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link

brothers unconnected certainly worth checking out too

mizzell, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

all middle eastern music is horrible, atonal, buzzing noise

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

also

http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/Prince_Rama.jpg

i find two of the three intriguing, the other not so much

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

girl on left looks pensive.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

would have intrigue with all these white girls

no j/k they are sorta doggish

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

all middle eastern music is horrible, atonal, buzzing noise

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:50 PM

western sahara ≠ middle east

am0n, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link

http://blog.yellowbirdproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dent-may.jpg

am0n, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link

you laff, but last time anco uncovered some weirdo doofus all of indie rock sounded like him four years later so

O Let's Group Doueh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

If I could afford to go to this, would love to see:
ANIMAL COLLECTIVE
GANG GANG DANCE
ARIEL PINK'S HAUNTED GRAFFITI
BROADCAST
BLACK DICE
MEAT PUPPETS
THE FROGS
PRINCE RAMA
DERADOORIAN
ZOMBY

Although I have to admit I haven't heard any of Deradoorian's solo stuff yet. Mad crush on her though. Someone point me to some Doueh to hear.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

xp thats indie rock's problem, not mine

am0n, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

you laff, but last time anco uncovered some weirdo doofus all of indie rock sounded like him four years later so

have no idea who yr referring to tbh

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

gucci mane?

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

anyway this lineup looks great, Broadcast are teh best

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

meh. they couldn't book lil b (the based god)?

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Does anyone know whether Doueh and the Bishops are doing other UK shows around this time? I would be surprised if not, but it'd be nice to know as I guess this will sell out pretty quick (they're only doing one ATP in May, right?).

myopic_void, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean pretty phenomenal bill... but then again they could put motorhead and the ghost of joey ramone on this lineup and it's like i wouldn't want to spend more than 3 minutes with an audience of DIEHARD ANIMAL COLLECTIVE FANS in their stupid masks without wanting to blow my fucking brains out all over the fish n chips stand

O Let's Group Doueh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

lol their fans wear masks?

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Lol Animal Collective fans wear masks?

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Get yer eyes check bro, that is facepaint.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link

headz ain't ready

am0n, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

those are TRIBAL MARKS or PAW PRINTS?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

wait whiney answer my question. or someone else answer it. I R perplexed

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

they go to clemson

am0n, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

crowd of people engage in idiotic behavior shockah

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

like this is why I never go to festivals in general, more than a couple hundred people in one place turns nauseating pretty quickly

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

all animal collective fans are enrolled at clemson university.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

xxpost - ariel pink

O Let's Group Doueh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

ah thx

I have never heard of or paid attention to ariel pink

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

well I've heard OF them (her? him?) but I've never listened to anything

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

just so tired of all these animal collectives

am0n, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

what do they sound like? i think i want to hear these bands, like tonight!

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Should've been a stipulation that all acts have to have an animal somewhere in the name.

That aside, Deerhunter should really be on that ticket!

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

like this is why I never go to festivals in general, more than a couple hundred people in one place turns nauseating pretty quickly

lol u went to burning man

fakey (buzza), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link

which, btw, did not involve 10s of thousands of people when I was going

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link

also a few thousand people spread across a desert is pretty different from thousands of people packed into a festival field, in the good ol' early days of Burning Man at no point would you ever be in a crowd of morons.

also you could still drive around, burn things, carry guns/explosives/fireworks, and there were no cops

oh how things have changed

men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Wow, being an upwardly-mobile urbanite US music fan must be the absolute worst. I feel so sorry for you people who are forced 24/7 to hang out with mask-wearing fans of an actually-not-as-ubiquitous-as-you-make-out noise-rock band that I may actually start an awareness charity.

Actually no, I think I'll spend my time enjoying music and looking forward to ATP instead, bungholes.

village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

lol i still love this band btw

plax (ico), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Can't say I'm too mad for Dent May though. He's like a bad impression of Jonathan Richman playing a uke. Maybe he's more charming live though...?

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 28 October 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link

bd+ac are the best, would see

plax (ico), Thursday, 28 October 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link

just so tired of all these animal collectives

― am0n, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:44 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

UCB ref???

teflon dawn (uptown churl), Thursday, 28 October 2010 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link

;]

am0n, Thursday, 28 October 2010 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Maybe i put this somewhere else but my friend made this and I still think it's pretty funny. He was convinced 311 has a big influence on Animal Collective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUsn_YRQaJI

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

so, new AC. the Panda track is better imo.
Tare repeat the same tricks he pulled in Feels etc...
the production sounds like old AC, which is great.

nostormo, Monday, 7 May 2012 11:08 (eleven years ago) link

On first listen it's ok I guess. Doesn't feel like it has anything at all to do with 2012, which is not necessarily a bad thing but in the absence of new tricks I'd like some better tunes.

NSFW Australia (seandalai), Monday, 7 May 2012 11:23 (eleven years ago) link

the Panda track is better imo.

Both songs sound like Avey Tare to me.

spastic heritage, Monday, 7 May 2012 12:38 (eleven years ago) link

yeah both are avey. don't get a feels vibe at all from these.

mizzell, Monday, 7 May 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link

i really like the percussion. agree the tunes aren't great, but these were far from the best songs on the last tour.

mizzell, Monday, 7 May 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link

Wow, seems ILM really has moved on from Animal Collective...not even a bit of abuse for old time's sake?

NSFW Australia (seandalai), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 00:18 (eleven years ago) link

ya these songs haven't struck me very much yet, which as a fanboy is pretty rare for new Animal Collective material. I think maybe I'm not especially digging the sonic palette they're using, it all sounds a bit murky and indistinct without having other qualities to make up for that. But then I've seen them doing their latest set of songs a couple of times and listened to them a couple more and I don't really remember these songs, so whatever I still anticipate the album. V uninternetty response I admit, it's time to proclaim a shark jump.

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link

Doesn't feel like it has anything at all to do with 2012

Not sure what's '2012', but this comment sticks with me.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link

i'm holding out for the "Untitled" song that pitchfork filmed them performing at p4k fest last year

caulk the wagon and float it, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

centipede hz is their Load

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link

I just happened to throw on Feels this morning on my way to work. Still my favorite of album of theirs.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link

Centipede HZ is their Exile on Main Street. It's its own world... the best thing they've done.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

Samuel E. Raven By illness you mean cocaine?
about an hour ago via mobile · 9

waterface, Friday, 12 July 2013 00:10 (ten years ago) link

"health reasons" or "family problems" always raise red flags

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 12 July 2013 01:49 (ten years ago) link

One of these dudes has a pretty significant drug problem that is not very secret, but they've just kicked him out of the band before. Makes me wonder what it would take for them to cancel dates?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 July 2013 02:32 (ten years ago) link

Avey Tare seems to have a lot of throat issues.

Treeship, Friday, 12 July 2013 02:39 (ten years ago) link

Maybe his vocal chords are fxed up

Treeship, Friday, 12 July 2013 02:40 (ten years ago) link

"health reasons" or "family problems" always raise red flags

I don't think it should be required of anybody, but coming clean is a good look. I did like it when Fiona Apple cancelled a tour because her dog died.

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 12 July 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link

I didnt know deakin had a drug problem before this thread. He was hilarious in concert because he wore the collar of his oxford shirt flipped up and would dance around while playing his guitar, in contrast to the other, more staid band members. My ex gf and i kept saying "deakmeister" "the deak" and "fuckin D" the whole concert. I miss her.

Treeship, Friday, 12 July 2013 03:54 (ten years ago) link

Anyway, everyone here knows i love this band and i wish them all the best.

Treeship, Friday, 12 July 2013 03:56 (ten years ago) link

he has a drug problem? jeez news to me

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 12 July 2013 06:32 (ten years ago) link

care to elaborate? this is killing me

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 12 July 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link

seconded. I would like details on deakin too.

In this case though spazmatazz, i think the issue is avey's vocal chords because he has had laryngitis and complications from that over the past 8 months

Treeship, Friday, 12 July 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link

ah ok. i wouldnt be surprised if the way he sings has damaged his voice already

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 12 July 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link

The details are: Deakin doesn't do drugs. Or maybe he does!

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 12 July 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link

bruno mars got arrested for cocaine possession

markers, Friday, 12 July 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link

that motherfuckin' Deak. just like the Deak to cancel a tour so he can get high. what a Deak.

Treeship, Friday, 12 July 2013 20:08 (ten years ago) link

i love Deakin.

i want Albert to come back and give us the deets on what he said before. or should i say the Deaks

Treeship, Friday, 12 July 2013 20:09 (ten years ago) link

blow?? the DEAK??? lol

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 13 July 2013 00:04 (ten years ago) link

i mean, like i said before, he was dressed in a risky business sort of way when i saw him in boston, with his collar flipped up. maybe they had to cancel the tour because he took a job at an investment bank.

Treeship, Saturday, 13 July 2013 00:06 (ten years ago) link

i hope avey tare's voice recovers. this song was really good live iirc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW6tc_8yT5I

Treeship, Saturday, 13 July 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdht0amhP61rz30lyo1_500.jpg

mizzell, Monday, 15 July 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link

Classic Deak

Treeship, Monday, 15 July 2013 14:54 (ten years ago) link

Deak's Got a Beak

waterface, Monday, 15 July 2013 14:57 (ten years ago) link

Saw them live at roskilde. They managed to play ten songs in eighty minutes, lots of droning interludes. Started out with Moonjock and What Would I Want? Sky, which means that the first fifteen minutes was in 7/8. At that point most of the audience had sortof realised they weren't going to get a dance-party. The audience only livened up when they played My Girls and Brother Sport. It got really bad reviews, but I loved it. Sorta.

Frederik B, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link

Jealous you were in denmark. I studied abroad there and it's a great country.

Treeship, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:05 (ten years ago) link

I'm Danish. And yeah, it's quite great, though the summer-weather is rubbish. Roskilde was really fantastic this year, but I've never been to any other big festival, so I can't really compare it.

Frederik B, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link

I had to leave right before roskilde and i was devastated. Do you live in Copenhagen? Thats where I (predictably) was.

Treeship, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:14 (ten years ago) link

Yup. Well, technically Frederiksberg, but it's all Copenhagen to me. Where did you study, and what?

Frederik B, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:24 (ten years ago) link

I went to a school called the Danish Institute for Study Abroad for a semester, which is on Vestergade. All my classes were in English and were related to the humanities - philosophy, russian literature, art history and nordic mythology. My best class was on kierkegaard. I should have tried to learn at least a little danish but it didnt seem like there was enough time

Treeship, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:34 (ten years ago) link

Oh right, that sounds logical. I think it's a part of the University of Copenhagen, where I studied humanities as well, but still it's own thing.

Frederik B, Monday, 15 July 2013 16:26 (ten years ago) link

wait, deakin said the n-word??

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 15 July 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link

Yeah. And the worst part is, this most recent outburst earned him his own radio show.

Treeship, Monday, 15 July 2013 18:36 (ten years ago) link

Listening to Centipede Hz again. One more track until Amanita. Excited.

Treeship, Monday, 15 July 2013 23:04 (ten years ago) link

merriweather didn't speak much to me when it first came out but it's been a really spectacular part of my summer. what a wonderful hippie album, totally joyous. also is this the best appropriation of all those kompat pop ambient collections ever? i feel like all those sounds are such a part of MPP. i also pulled out person pitch again for the summer and it's really perfect.

centipede isn't speaking to me now, seems denser and inaccessible and without space. i've only given it a few listens though.

marcos, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 19:36 (ten years ago) link

i think centipede is more of an avey tare album and merriweather a panda bear one: the former is nervous and jittery and each of the songs seem to want to do a few different things as once. this is what i like about it, but i like merriweather too for the things that it does well.

Treeship, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link

Tweakin

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 21:25 (ten years ago) link

Just to be sure: Dave Portner is Avey Tares real name, and Abigail Portner is his sister, who has made several of their album covers, right? They must be quite ugly shoes, then.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 21:57 (ten years ago) link

I hung my head in shame at the record store today, as I finally caved and bought the Prospect Hummer thingy with Vashti Bunyan (which is the reason I got it). I was totally amused that the spine credits the band as "AC." Teehee.

Austin, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:52 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

i have a feeling they are not long for this world as a group.

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link

Weren't there a bunch of break up rumours like three years ago?

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 02:00 (ten years ago) link

Me too
Xpost

The new avey tare group, the last maficre record (ran out of ideas?!),
The Panda Bear successful solo career. ..

nostormo, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 05:35 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

anyone else at the 9:30 show on monday? it was great, first time i've seen them play the Centipede stuff, which really came alive (especially "Father Time," which I didn't think much about beforehand). can't wait to see what they do next, together and individually! what an honor and a privilege to be around to see a legendary band in its prime!

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link

*farts*

you are kind, I am (waterface), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link

'waterface'… they probably had a song called that at some point

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 20:15 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/uto3gC3.jpg

, Sunday, 30 March 2014 00:07 (ten years ago) link

God, that's exactly what they say, isn't it?

austinato (Austin), Sunday, 30 March 2014 01:06 (ten years ago) link

ah cmon

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 30 March 2014 01:34 (ten years ago) link

I will never not be laughing at that one

(or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 30 March 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link

was that made in microsoft word b/c i'm pretty sure i've seen the text styling on "original" before

markers, Sunday, 30 March 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link

quite into the dog's hitler moustache + hulk hogan skullet combo.

Merdeyeux, Sunday, 30 March 2014 07:10 (ten years ago) link

Big Dog Collective

Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 30 March 2014 07:16 (ten years ago) link

eleven months pass...

i really like this

https://soundcloud.com/anmlcollective/sets/new-psycho-actives-vol-1

flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Spoke to Deakin and Vashti Bunyna about ten years of Prospect Hummer (IMO their best release to date) http://thequietus.com/articles/17672-vashti-bunyan-animal-collective-conversation-interview

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, 17 April 2015 10:28 (nine years ago) link

*Bunyan

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, 17 April 2015 11:05 (nine years ago) link

cool. i love vashti bunyan

Treeship, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:01 (nine years ago) link

she was so nice. a genuinely lovely person.

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, 17 April 2015 13:02 (nine years ago) link

that's a nice interview, I loved prospect hummer at the time

ogmor, Friday, 17 April 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...

Were I stuck in said airport I would complain mightily.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/11/animal-collective-are-debuting-their-new-album-at-bwi-airport-right-now/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link

aw i think it's a cool stunt

flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link

BWI actually has Dan Deacon and Future Islands on constant rotation in the bathrooms every day.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link

well, this is different.

Bee OK, Thursday, 26 November 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link

great that they did it on Thanksgiving, talk about max exposure.

Bee OK, Thursday, 26 November 2015 03:08 (eight years ago) link

meant, Thanksgiving eve.

Bee OK, Thursday, 26 November 2015 03:09 (eight years ago) link

Poor people. As if wasting time with their families on thanksgiving wasn't bad enough.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 26 November 2015 04:03 (eight years ago) link

Were I stuck in said airport I would complain mightily.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM.

Turrican, Thursday, 26 November 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link

BWI actually has Dan Deacon and Future Islands on constant rotation in the bathrooms every day.

― flappy bird, Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...and I'd complain even more if I went to the toilets to get away from Animal Collective offending my ears and I was confronted with the god-awful sound of Future Islands instead. Although, I guess there's a none more fitting soundtrack for having a shit to.

Turrican, Thursday, 26 November 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link

The version of "what would I want sky" on live at 930 is beautiful

calstars, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 02:13 (eight years ago) link

i was pleasantly surprised with Live at 9:30. the mix is phenomenal, i'd never heard their interludes and transitions with such clarity. every time i've seen them after 2006, the live mix has been really muddy. It gave me a new appreciation for a lot of the CHz songs like 'Father Time' and 'Monkey Riches.'

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 02:58 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Surprised there's no mention of their upcoming album here - I guess times have changed. Already seems strange that these guys were the definition of the zeitgeist for a brief while. They influenced a lot of copycats, but did any of those copycats have any tunes? Hope the new one backs of a bit from the kitchen-sink mud overload of the last one. I listened to the ILX pre-cover version of Centipede Hz way more than the real thing.

the_ecuador_three, Thursday, 7 January 2016 13:09 (eight years ago) link

yeah the production/arrangements weren't great on the latest album but there were some good tunes and great bits, here and there.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 7 January 2016 13:34 (eight years ago) link

Seems to me that MPP was their New Jersey. The big hyped album that garnered critical and commercial praise on the back of past successes more than its own merits, and ultimately pointed to the game being up.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Thursday, 7 January 2016 14:06 (eight years ago) link

I haven't followed the "New Jersey" thread in details but it seems the idea is also that the album in question has to be bad (I'm not necessarily talking about the MJ album !) or not so good.
I know many people and AC fans don't particularly like MPP but for most (including me), it's pretty solid.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 7 January 2016 14:34 (eight years ago) link

Yep I know plenty of people who didn't really get their previous stuff, but thought MPP was that bit more polished and hooky. It's more of a (What's the Story) Morning Glory than a Be Here Now.

the_ecuador_three, Thursday, 7 January 2016 15:06 (eight years ago) link

I heard the newest single and was just, what is this, this is making my stomach feel queasy

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 January 2016 15:21 (eight years ago) link

new animal collective there was a little bit of discussion of FloriDada here

it's better than most of the last one but sounds pretty indistinguishable from like... Yeasayer or some other band they've influenced. don't really have much in the way of expectations since there was a big drop-off in quality after MPP, neither CHz or any of the solo albums have been much good.

ufo, Thursday, 7 January 2016 15:31 (eight years ago) link

no way is MPP a New Jersey. If the AC have one song everyone knows, it's "My Girls."

Really psyched for Painting With. All indications point to something more direct and immediate than ChZ, with tons of Sung Tongs-esque vocal interplay.

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 January 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link

oh yeah, and for anyone who still cares, Deakin's solo album is finally coming out next month http://pitchfork.com/news/62710-animal-collectives-deakin-finishes-long-delayed-solo-album/

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 January 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link

Definitely not a New Jersey. With a New Jersey, the hype is more of the pre-release variety, gained by from a previous release, rather than all of the critical accolades it gains after it comes out. You could maybe make the case for Centipede Hz as being their New Jersey, but I feel like that album didn't have a lot of hype going into it.

MarkoP, Thursday, 7 January 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link

it had a fair amount of hype, with the Honeycomb/Gotham single coming out in May, with a four month lead-up to the release of the record. and it had all the pressure of being the followup to Merriweather..."Today's Supernatural" definitely fits the bill as a single that was played a lot at the time and sort of forgotten now

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 January 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link

xps I found MPP to be patchy as fuck.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:20 (eight years ago) link

really? what songs didn't do it for you?

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:23 (eight years ago) link

I found that starting with Strawberry Jam, AC decided to go further and further down this route of claustrophobic bit-crushed noise that buried everything in this really clumsy, unrefined way. The lyrics became self-parodic and as ufo alludes to upthread, they became another chillwavish band in a sea of other chillwavish bands. Tracks I would save from MPP include Bluish, Lion In a Coma, No More Runnin and Brothersport. The rest I can take or leave.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Friday, 8 January 2016 13:40 (eight years ago) link

I think I still love or at least really like almost all the tracks on MPP, even years after binge listening to it.
for me, that album is upthere with the best pop albums ever, no less !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 8 January 2016 14:07 (eight years ago) link

You know what? I really liked the Fall Be Kind EP that came out around that time. That's the last AC release I really loved.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Friday, 8 January 2016 14:26 (eight years ago) link

Yes! Esp "What would I want"

calstars, Friday, 8 January 2016 14:33 (eight years ago) link

yeah - i remember hearing it live before it came out and thinking it was one of the best things i'd heard by them.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Friday, 8 January 2016 14:45 (eight years ago) link

stop daydreaming dude

calstars, Friday, 8 January 2016 14:59 (eight years ago) link

yeah - i remember hearing it live before it came out and thinking it was one of the best things i'd heard by them.

Likewise! I saw them in Dublin in 2009 and they played it and I recorded the second half of it on my phone because it sounded great. When Fall Be Kind came out later that year I recognised it straight away.

the_ecuador_three, Friday, 8 January 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link

Video is out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuoIvNFUY7I

groovypanda, Friday, 8 January 2016 15:04 (eight years ago) link

well that's not a bad track at all. i quite like it. Nice and bouncy. The production is a bit more solid than I'd come to expect from them. and I like the Wipeout sample.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Friday, 8 January 2016 15:11 (eight years ago) link

What Would I Want? Sky is probably my favorite AC-track as well. I prefer Fall Be Kind to MPP. And like SJ and CHz more as well. I just could never get into MPP. But when I heard them live after CHz, I have to admit My Girls and Brother Sport were awesome.

Frederik B, Friday, 8 January 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link

I agree that the Fall be Kind EP was great and somehow, managed to meet my high expectations following MPP.
It was like having my own psychedelic era Beatles releasing a classic pop album and following it up with a stand-alone single/EP. only it didn't go further...
I think I can is fantastic.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 8 January 2016 16:08 (eight years ago) link

Already seems strange that these guys were the definition of the zeitgeist for a brief while.

yea it seems SUPER fucking weird tbh

marcos, Friday, 8 January 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link

crazy that MPP was 7 years ago !
god I'm old...

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 8 January 2016 16:18 (eight years ago) link

just as Nirvana inspired millions to play strats & DS-1's, the AC inspired thousands to use SP-303's and 404's

flappy bird, Friday, 8 January 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link

So the cover of fall be kind is so creepy. the shadow of an axe being swung overhead.

calstars, Saturday, 9 January 2016 04:15 (eight years ago) link

my fiance couldn't make it through Floridada haha

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 9 January 2016 04:22 (eight years ago) link

i felt like after panda bear released person pitch, they could have gone a number of different ways with mpp. some of the early live versions of mpp were sicker than what ended up on record. i think they've been thinking about music for a live festival crowd since then. which is fine, i think fall be kind could be sort of a blueprint going forward for them, what would i want? in particular seems like it would sound good live in a big setting

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 9 January 2016 04:24 (eight years ago) link

dog latin otm mpp sux0r

carly rae jetson (thomp), Saturday, 9 January 2016 04:29 (eight years ago) link

The FloriDada video is disgusting.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 9 January 2016 08:03 (eight years ago) link

So the cover of fall be kind is so creepy. the shadow of an axe being swung overhead.

― calstars, Friday, January 8, 2016 11:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whoa, never noticed that before! nice catch...

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 January 2016 22:44 (eight years ago) link

word is that Flo Rida is going to be on the FloriDada remix

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 10 January 2016 02:45 (eight years ago) link

surprised the PFFR video isn't more offensive. maybe they asked them to tone it down

flopson, Sunday, 10 January 2016 02:50 (eight years ago) link

what else have they done?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 10 January 2016 02:52 (eight years ago) link

woa they did it? i need to check it out.

they did Wonder Showzen and Xavier: Renegade Angel

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 10 January 2016 03:20 (eight years ago) link

oh shit i've seen some of that Xavier: Renegade Angel show

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 10 January 2016 03:22 (eight years ago) link

yeah it hits the same acid techno mysticism vibe of the ac

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 10 January 2016 03:26 (eight years ago) link

So the cover of fall be kind is so creepy. the shadow of an axe being swung overhead.

― calstars, Friday, January 8, 2016 11:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whoa, never noticed that before! nice catch...

Me neither but to me it's someone chopping wood (fall and winter be kind !) so not really sinister !

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 10 January 2016 11:50 (eight years ago) link

I guess I've seen the shining too many times

calstars, Sunday, 10 January 2016 12:52 (eight years ago) link

i felt like after panda bear released person pitch, they could have gone a number of different ways with mpp.

What's funny is that Person Pitch became a founding document for chillwave, but Panda Bear essentially abandoned that sound and went off in a different direction. The thing about that sound is how easy it is - you grab a little one or two chord sample from (preferably an old) song, roll off the bass, and drown it in reverb. Optionally add other samples in the same key (or pitchshift to match). Maybe find a choir sample you can loop. Then improvise your own melodies over the (largely static) harmonic backdrop.

I did a tune the ILX pre-covers Centipede Hz, and the second half of it is me doing the above to take the piss out of how easy it is. Easy isn't the same thing as bad, and I think Person Pitch is a great album that still holds up today. There was a ton of lazy chillwave stuff released that ran the formula into the ground though.

His subsequent solo stuff is put together differently - more synths, fewer samples, and a lot more chords (Ponytail has the most chords of any song on PP and it only has 3). I think this is important because the more chords there are and the quicker the changes, the harder it is to be melodic (see: bebop before modal and hard bop stripped things back) and I think his last two albums suffer a little bit from this.

Another thing from the Pitchfork interview:

The thing about Centipede Hz that also made the recording difficult was how we wrote it for the stage and, before recording, we did a handful of tours where we each had different monitor mixes onstage. So some of us got set ideas about what songs should sound like and where certain parts should fit in. Then, when we went to ooze all four of those different perspectives together—there weren’t battles, but it did lead to a lot of things staying in the mix.

Well there's your problem right there.

the_ecuador_three, Monday, 11 January 2016 11:05 (eight years ago) link

The thing about that sound is how easy it is - you grab a little one or two chord sample from (preferably an old) song, roll off the bass, and drown it in reverb. Optionally add other samples in the same key (or pitchshift to match). Maybe find a choir sample you can loop. Then improvise your own melodies over the (largely static) harmonic backdrop.

This has always been my problem with PP and chill wave in general. I found PP to be kind of unexciting and easily-executed. Chillwav-ish music drives me nuts because it feels like the musicians/producers are somehow so embarrassed by their own music, they have to bury it under mounds of messy reverb. I don't find it transportive, just frustrating and artless.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Monday, 11 January 2016 11:28 (eight years ago) link

probably why i still think acoustic-era AC is the most interesting because the ideas are stripped bare and not covered in lacquers of plugins.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Monday, 11 January 2016 11:30 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

I'm so happy a song with the title "Bagels in Kiev" is as good as it suggests

calstars, Monday, 15 February 2016 12:09 (eight years ago) link

Pitchfork calling time on their relevance to the Pitchfork project:

"Now, they're parents living in different zip codes and riding the festival circuit... Times change, life intervenes. Painting With was the first time the band jumped right into the studio. Work can be scheduled, magic can't."

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:47 (eight years ago) link

Oh, the myth of the romantic artist, pulling magic from the air almost by accident. Pure bullshit.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 09:03 (eight years ago) link

?

posted with permission by (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 11:46 (eight years ago) link

"Work can be scheduled, magic can't" - it's horseshit and it's not an idea that people in any other creative sphere that I've interacted with give any credence to. It's not an idea that a lot of musicians give any credence to - Bowie recorded Blackstar in sessions that were strictly timetabled, 10am to 4pm each day or whatever, presumably so he could fit it around family life - but some aspects of indie (and classic rock, to be fair) culture still have this frankly Randian idea that artists are special spectral snowflakes who just act as aerials for cosmic rays of inspiration. And it's nonsense.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 12:38 (eight years ago) link

It's certainly a romantic idea. I think there is room for both approaches.

calstars, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 12:41 (eight years ago) link

"Work can be scheduled, magic can't" - it's horseshit and it's not an idea that people in any other creative sphere that I've interacted with give any credence to. It's not an idea that a lot of musicians give any credence to - Bowie recorded Blackstar in sessions that were strictly timetabled, 10am to 4pm each day or whatever, presumably so he could fit it around family life - but some aspects of indie (and classic rock, to be fair) culture still have this frankly Randian idea that artists are special spectral snowflakes who just act as aerials for cosmic rays of inspiration. And it's nonsense.

― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 12:38 (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not sure I agree at all. How is the idea that creativity can't be turned on and off like a tap 'Randian'? How does it not fluctuate from person to person?

Creativity doesn't come from cosmic rays, no, but if you work as a collective (unlike Bowie who is a bit of a high watermark for comparisons and also a solo artist with full auteurist control on his work), you are influenced and inspired by each other, and the place where you are, and the environment around you, and the tools you have to hand, and how often you get to meet up, and how tired you are, and what you saw on TV last night etc etc...

I'm pretty sure Bowie was writing and coming up with ideas outside of the allocated times you mention. Nobody sits there and goes 'right, brain, give me ideas!' - it doesn't work like that at all.

I'll give you a musician who would give credence to the idea - David Byrne, who in the first page of his book 'How Music Works' challenges the idea that songwriters sit at a desk until a mad look comes over them and they start scribbling-down notes on a page.

References to kimchi aside, I don't really have much of a problem with the Pitchfork write-up. It's pretty much a summation of how I feel about 'Painting With...'.
'Animal Collective - The Ride' is OTM.

posted with permission by (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:08 (eight years ago) link

Maybe Bowie is able to write amazing music in his sleep, but even he's had some low creative points. Dare I say it, I don't even rate Blackstar all that highly myself, but it's a matter of taste. The writer of that review is saying that because AC now live in different pockets of the world and have many other commitments than they used to, their sound is starting to ossify. Their best work came from collaboration and having a lot of time to just jam around and play with ideas and not really having to worry about delivering a finished product every couple of years. This is very different from booking studio time and saying 'right, let's make an album', which might suit some artists down to a T, but in my mind isn't really suited to these guys.

posted with permission by (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:13 (eight years ago) link

Well I have problems with auteur theory too.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:25 (eight years ago) link

what is auteur theory when applied to music written and played by the same people?

posted with permission by (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 13:28 (eight years ago) link

I haven't heard the album but this is some real BS

Old heads will tell you that the most exciting part of seeing them live was hearing songs months, sometimes years before they came out on record: I, for example, remember being in the basement of a sushi restaurant in Charlottesville, Virginia, watching Sung Tongs before anyone knew it existed, or wading through Webster Hall to a gorgeous, slowly dawning song they later called "Banshee Beat." The feeling of that moment is hard to describe, but it was something like standing in the light of a secret.

I was there, man!!

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:03 (eight years ago) link

They're Pitchforking hard in that write-up, but I'm sad to say it's not wrong

posted with permission by (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:13 (eight years ago) link

I didn't read that as a 'special snowflakes' comment - my take was:

a) Making music that relies on a certain amount of face-to-face jamming and serendipity is harder when the members are scattered around the world. Geologist is in DC, Panda Bear is in Lisbon, and I think Avey Tare is in LA. That's 8 hours worth of time zones. Working on stuff piecemeal like an oil painting and sending each other FLACs doesn't work for everyone.
b) Your free time declines dramatically as you get older and accrue commitments have a family and in some cases help take care of sick parents etc, even if they are lucky fuckers with no day jobs.
c) Maybe Animal Collective has run its course - I don't think they'll either do anything drastically different to what they've done before, or make another MPP, and the zeitgeist's moved on for now anyway.

the_ecuador_three, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:34 (eight years ago) link

Maybe Bowie is able to write amazing music in his sleep, but even he's had some low creative points. Dare I say it, I don't even rate Blackstar all that highly myself, but it's a matter of taste. The writer of that review is saying that because AC now live in different pockets of the world and have many other commitments than they used to, their sound is starting to ossify. Their best work came from collaboration and having a lot of time to just jam around and play with ideas and not really having to worry about delivering a finished product every couple of years. This is very different from booking studio time and saying 'right, let's make an album', which might suit some artists down to a T, but in my mind isn't really suited to these guys.

Oops, missed this before I posted but I agree.

the_ecuador_three, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:36 (eight years ago) link

I was there, man!!

― frogbs, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:03

Or maybe not

Correction (2/16/16 2:04 p.m.): This review previously described hearing the album Sung Tongs at a concert in Charlottesville. The album in question is Feels

groovypanda, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link

Oddly enough for me this is the best thing since mpp

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link

everyonesome people wake up at dawn and write until lunch every day, other people take a bunch of amphetamines and write for 4 days straight while their wife and children move out in the background.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link

i need to start more sentences like that, i really like the effect

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link

Old heads will tell you that the most exciting part of seeing them live was hearing songs months, sometimes years before they came out on record

this is otm. once they started touring the hits, it felt like they were just playing bad versions of the recorded songs. when the songs were fresh and unknown they had a different sort of magic to them

‏ ﷽ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 20:10 (eight years ago) link

Conversely, I didn't take to the songs on Centipede Hz much at all until I heard them performed live. They were absolutely great on that tour

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7O0rBGSqjI

i like this song/video

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link

I'm not sure I've ever liked one of their videos.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link

I like that song though.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link

They did play a lot of the Centipede Hz songs live before releasing the record. So when did this "touring the hits" thing start, if it even did?

Position Position, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link

i saw them twice post-MPP and the only new songs i can recall were 2 that ended up on fall be kind

i stopped following them after that so i'm not saying that they didn't ever play any new songs, but what was special about their live show IMO was that they virtually ONLY played new songs on their tours pre-MPP

‏ ﷽ (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link

I like this album. It reminds me of Little Creatures.

a faded dose from rays gone by (contenderizer), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link

I really like this record. It sounds like they were tired of Foster the People eating their lunch and decided to make a pop record to show people they could do it. "Floridada" is probably the catchiest song they've written literally ever.

Also, the "ah we were so young and naive once" talk from pitchfork is fucking hilarious in the shadow of stanning for PC Music

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 19:18 (eight years ago) link

Animal Collective always felt like a "career band" even in the way that their first "big" statement was a 2xCD re-release of their first two albums.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 19:19 (eight years ago) link

Floridada is good but I wasn't grabbed by anything else. not sure rereleasing your first two obscure albums to a wider audience counts you as a career band.

posted with permission by (dog latin), Thursday, 18 February 2016 01:34 (eight years ago) link

I like the new album better than the one prior to it, but I don't know yet it's the equal of that mid-00s rarified DAMN zone. Pros: great pop steez + it feels like they got back to the LP as a balanced, unified thing that isn't making concessions to a larger public or trample it. Cons: they're a bit frantic vocally and there's next to no drift (these were issues I had with CHz too btw).

Y'all will think I'm crazy for saying this but I'm gonna say it: I kinda want an AC era where the LPs sound like the AC equiv of killer Grateful Dead shows. Time to stretch out, lose their minds.

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 18 February 2016 01:50 (eight years ago) link

I am probably alone in this but I've always equated Animal Collective in the 00s with Tortoise in the 90s. Tortoise was this lightning bolt of WOW to a lot of indie kids and they spawned an obsessive fanbase. They felt fresh and unpredictable for about 7-8 years. Then they got older, their sound ossified, and they just sort of became this career band that you can depend on if you're into that stuff. Sort of feel like Animal Collective is heading in that direction.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 18 February 2016 03:25 (eight years ago) link

That seems accurate, this feels like the most prototypically 'Animal Collective' sounding album they've made, and it seems to have been pretty well received by their core fanbase while not being a real stylistic shift or leap forward like they were regularly making during their creative peak. I guess they seem more interested in exploring new territory for them in their solo projects these days, though none of that has really been successful or interesting recently.

ufo, Thursday, 18 February 2016 03:53 (eight years ago) link

I like the vocal interplay on this one. A song like Hocus Pocus could be arranged for acapella.

Frederik B, Thursday, 18 February 2016 12:43 (eight years ago) link

Cons: they're a bit frantic vocally and there's next to no drift (these were issues I had with CHz too btw).

Yeah, since Strawberry Jam they seem to be obsessed with filling the entire dynamic and temporal range and there's a claustrophobia prevalent throughout a lot of their work. That's why I especially like the more ambient/ballady moments on MPP than anything else. It's kind of mad to think that this band once came out with Campfire Songs, which is a masterclass in dynamic restraint.

posted with permission by (dog latin), Thursday, 18 February 2016 13:03 (eight years ago) link

Savaged by The Quietus:

http://thequietus.com/articles/19709-the-lead-review-animal-collective-painting-with-review

Though the reviewer claims that they didn't go in with an agenda, the second sentence reads: " Sure, they were overpraised at first, as American man-bands so often are" which reeks of 'OMFG white ppl are so lame SMGDH'.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 18 February 2016 13:36 (eight years ago) link

lmao it's true, the british have never once overrated their own bands.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 February 2016 13:51 (eight years ago) link

funny how he calls 'strawberry jam' their 'deserter's songs'. always saw that as an awkward, transitionary album.

posted with permission by (dog latin), Thursday, 18 February 2016 15:01 (eight years ago) link

i can't believe they've just released a song called 'lying in the grass' in 2016. jeeeeeesus.

posted with permission by (dog latin), Thursday, 18 February 2016 15:04 (eight years ago) link

"With Animal Collective's tenth studio album out tomorrow, Lee Arizuno explores the latest and most disappointing of offerings from "Little Donkey, Hello Kitty and Crazy Frog"

ouch

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 18 February 2016 15:11 (eight years ago) link

Quietus review loses all credibility when it reps for Grumbling Fur but I'm sure this album is horrid

odysseus (imago), Thursday, 18 February 2016 15:22 (eight years ago) link

Haven't heard the album and may not hear the album - don't think I heard the last? - but "you can't go one bar without wanting to shout, "Go to bed!" is a really funny putdown.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 February 2016 15:23 (eight years ago) link

That review is terrible, reeks of shame and embarrassment, and calls out the band for the very things they were praised for in 2005. It isn't criticism, it's someone trying to speak for/to/at an audience he imagines is craving that particular opinion. It has zero to do with anything on that record, and mostly to do with how out of fashion "faux naif" lyrics and garishly colored productions are (to him) in 2016.

It isn't bad journalism or criticism to point how trends change, or even to point out how a band's music isn't as "relevant" to the current music landscape. It's bad to offer critique without justification, eg explain why "faux naif" lyrics or "sing song numbers" are bad. One could effortlessly apply the exact same things to Sung Tongs, and even to the reviewer, that is a good record.

Of course, I haven't heard this record. Maybe it's terrible (tho the songs I have heard strike me as "more of the same" with perhaps more studio polish). I don't really even care about AC anymore (like, for the last 10 years) -- but that review is a good example of why I avoid reading most pop music criticism.

Dominique, Thursday, 18 February 2016 15:24 (eight years ago) link

i mean, yeah. credibility had already been lost

odysseus (imago), Thursday, 18 February 2016 15:26 (eight years ago) link

I would agree with you, Dominique but to be fair to the writer, he does say in the final paragraph something along the lines of wide-eyed naivety speaking to him when he (and the members of AC) were in their 20s, but now he is approaching 40, he'd be more interested in their take on adult themes rather than this less-than-subtle attempt.

I feel that they were a lot better at doing the psychedelic whimsy thing in their 20s. By MPP, it started getting embarrassingly infantile.

posted with permission by (dog latin), Thursday, 18 February 2016 15:39 (eight years ago) link

That review is terrible, reeks of shame and embarrassment, and calls out the band for the very things they were praised for in 2005.

exactly, neither this nor the Pitchfork review really explain why this is so much worse than their other albums, besides "well it's 10 years later and we're all older so.."

Quietus review is truly embarrassing, reads like a bad Maddox article

frogbs, Thursday, 18 February 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link

DL, I can see your point -- I might even agree that I'd be interested in hearing AC make songs that spoke to what their lives are like these days, or how it feels to be 35 and in a band like Animal Collective. I might even counter that stuff like "My Girls" and some of Panda Bear's solo stuff does exactly this. However, you can't criticize a band because they don't make the songs you want them to make. You can really only talk about what they *have* made, and if the music's primary failing happens to be the same thing you (and I'm using "you" haphazardly here -- I haven't read anything by this writer on AC prior to this piece) praised them for years earlier, it comes off badly imo.

Dominique, Thursday, 18 February 2016 16:10 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I agree on that point. I think it would be fairer to say ' You've been in this game for years, peddling this kind of thing album after after album. The schtick was tolerable at first, but it's been verging on the parodic since the one before last and now it's seriously embarrassing'.

Something that frustrates me most about the concept of this album (and it's something the Queitus writer touches on) is the 'meta' conceit of actively referencing avant-gardism. Like, just because you're singing about Dada and have vaguely cubist/collagey artwork, it doesn't put you up there with those people. It feels weak. 'Animal Collective presents Surrealism', like a Channel 4 arts season.

draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Thursday, 18 February 2016 16:21 (eight years ago) link

It isn't criticism, it's someone trying to speak for/to/at an audience he imagines is craving that particular opinion.

very otm, good post dominique.

intheblanks, Thursday, 18 February 2016 16:32 (eight years ago) link

since Strawberry Jam they seem to be obsessed with filling the entire dynamic and temporal range and there's a claustrophobia prevalent throughout a lot of their work

hmm. interesting take. i've always gotten a rollercoaster feel from it, maybe it's been the vocals that are UP and down and then UP and DOWN combined w the electronic squishy rhythms, actually conjures a "queasy" feeling, not that it makes me want to vom but it has that sense of, you are at a party, and you are really buzzing, and you are trying to maintain. this could just be me reacting to their general sound compared to other things i listen to (maybe it would go away if i listened to modern AC all the time) but for example the bass synth on "Golden Gal" has that phased effect that makes me think of the weird noises you hear when your stomach is turning.

just because you're singing about Dada and have vaguely cubist/collagey artwork, it doesn't put you up there with those people

eh i thought breaking down artworld elitism was one of the big themes of the day. automatic writing can be done by anyone, "artiste" or craftsman, they all dream. i like it, i think their stuff has always been cubist in its way.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 18 February 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link

"you know that what follows isn't some stunt hatchet job on a band I don't care for...co-founding member Teddy Bear has said"

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, 18 February 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link

yeah talk about hedging your bets

frogbs, Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

this band has always been an easy target for assholes.

not really interested in them condensing their sound further into a pop format, and i can see how that experiment might be a failure, but this quietus writer was free to describe that failure in a way that wasn't self-righteous and condescending

Treeship, Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:11 (eight years ago) link

i don't think centipede hz or any solo panda bear release has been about "bouncing around in neverland", really, so maybe my issue is with this guys' premise that the band has never expanded its thematic palette through the years

Treeship, Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link

just read the pitchfork review. liked it. seemed like a much more thoughtful critique

Treeship, Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:35 (eight years ago) link

I've always had a problem with the strawmanny accusation that AC are all about being childlike/infantile/faux-naif, or at least I never used to get that vibe from them. The earlier stuff was more about deconstructing things like folk music into a kind of pre-formalised primitivism. increasingly though, the 'childlike/neverland' stuff is becoming harder to eschew though. I still think it's a bit unfair but AC certainly don't seem to be interested in proving those people wrong.

draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Thursday, 18 February 2016 21:37 (eight years ago) link

these guys are probably really going to embarrass their kids when they get older haha

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 19 February 2016 02:04 (eight years ago) link

The last two solo records by Panda Bear and Avey Tare were both really preoccupied with death and disease and loss. Centipede Hz was pretty intense & dark, too. This is the first thing they've done that's up all the time. and yea xp doglatin it always bugs me when people dismiss the AC as goofy or immature... most of their records are pretty somber and melancholic, haunted... Henry Darger, not Alice in Wonderland...

flappy bird, Friday, 19 February 2016 02:17 (eight years ago) link

AC has always been about moving forward. I don't know why a longtime fan would be disappointed that they tried something new and made a record without playing it live first.

flappy bird, Friday, 19 February 2016 02:22 (eight years ago) link

just picked up Here Comes the Indian, and I love it, as does my cat. I swear, when is the damn hype machine gonna catch up: NYC isn't no wave, it's NEW AGE!

― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, July 31, 2003

there is some gold on this thread. gotta revisit HCTI soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW5-bz3JQcE

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 19 February 2016 02:46 (eight years ago) link

Reviews are wrong. This is the best thing to come out of America since the polio vaccine.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 19 February 2016 03:17 (eight years ago) link

:D

Treeship, Friday, 19 February 2016 04:10 (eight years ago) link

I don't know why a longtime fan would be disappointed that they tried something new and made a record without playing it live first.

it just made me lose interest in their live show, not the records

‏ ﷽ (diamonddave85), Friday, 19 February 2016 15:16 (eight years ago) link

2009 and 2013 were the only years they didn't tour an album or two ahead. and tbf, there were still a lot of surprises in the way they re-arranged old songs to fit the MPP and Centipede style.

flappy bird, Friday, 19 February 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link

the 2013 show was v. good. father time was way better live iirc

Treeship, Friday, 19 February 2016 17:33 (eight years ago) link

listening to this right now on moka's recommendation

Treeship, Friday, 19 February 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link

xp Yeah! I saw their re-scheduled show in DC on December 1, 2013. Father Time finally clicked. The Live at 9:30 album is great, too. The Centipede show really benefits from soundboard mixes. I remember listening to an audience boot of the first Centipede show in April 2011 and thought they had lost it. Just a total mess. After one full listen, I think the new one is much better than Centipede.

flappy bird, Friday, 19 February 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link

I think it's as good as Centipede, but those albums are trying to do two completely different things

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 19 February 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link

this album is very short

Treeship, Friday, 19 February 2016 17:53 (eight years ago) link

only two minutes shorter than strawberry jam

flappy bird, Friday, 19 February 2016 18:00 (eight years ago) link

i lost track of this band years ago but if i love Floridada should i check out the rest of it? i assume so but i am bored and this blank box was in front of me.

alpine static, Friday, 19 February 2016 18:14 (eight years ago) link

yes! hocus pocus is even better

flappy bird, Friday, 19 February 2016 18:17 (eight years ago) link

it's definitely an improvement over centipede hz & all the solo albums after MPP, but it's still a step below their peak. the backlash feels disproportionate but i guess for anyone who wasn't sold on them years ago or has since tired of their sound this would be very easy to hate.

the burglars is thrilling, definitely my favourite on this.

ufo, Friday, 19 February 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link

quietus review leads like a long bout of clinical projection. dude might need to see someone about that

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 19 February 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link

They played Alvin Row for the first time ever last night.

Pentenema Karten, Saturday, 20 February 2016 18:45 (eight years ago) link

Which songs are Panda Bear's? So far I have:
Hocus
Bagels
Golden Gal

calstars, Saturday, 20 February 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link

Bagels and Golden Gal are definitely Avey songs from what they've said in interviews, but it's harder to tell here because there's even more vocal interplay than usual

ufo, Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:26 (eight years ago) link

Oh wow!

calstars, Saturday, 20 February 2016 23:21 (eight years ago) link

Trying hard not to make the Lennon McCartney comparison because that's already been suggested right?

calstars, Saturday, 20 February 2016 23:22 (eight years ago) link

I think it works. Panda = Lennon, Avey = McCartney. At least lyrically. Avey's songs have a lot of rich imagery and characters, while Panda's are pretty straightforward internal/emotional.

flappy bird, Saturday, 20 February 2016 23:36 (eight years ago) link

Hmm. I was thinking the opposite actually. Panda seems to emphasize melody and Avey the performance. But I really don't know the band all that well so.

calstars, Sunday, 21 February 2016 00:09 (eight years ago) link

Musically it's vice versa, but it's not as clear cut as their lyrics.

flappy bird, Sunday, 21 February 2016 00:15 (eight years ago) link

"Bros" is a "How Do You Sleep?"-level dig at the rest of AC for their reaction to Panda moving to Portugal.

flappy bird, Sunday, 21 February 2016 00:18 (eight years ago) link

This is pretty good. Better than the Panda Bear solo by a good mile or so. Not sure what the reviewers are listening to ... without the Animal Collective name they'd probably be calling it "brilliant weirdo avant pop".

larry appleton, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 03:06 (eight years ago) link

So, whatcha think about it Treeship?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 04:05 (eight years ago) link

Animal Collective's peak critical / cool period was 2004-2009, right? ie. about a decade ago? You are never as uncool as you are 10 years after your peak. They're approaching their cool trough.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 09:38 (eight years ago) link

I'd been hearing this phenomenally irritating faux-jaunty song for the past week or so, had been assuming it was a side-project by some dreadful arse-end Britpop band, looked it up and was actually quite satisfied to discover it was 'Floridada' by Animal Collective.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link

Doing a bit of writing on japanese genre-cinema, now I can't stop humming 'shomin shomin shomin shomin shomin-geki. shomin-GEKI, shomin-GEKI' It really is quite catchy.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 17:19 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

lol wtf @ the quietus http://i.imgur.com/0KFi7iN.png

‏ ﷽ (diamonddave85), Friday, 25 March 2016 19:19 (eight years ago) link

What do we think of the single ?

calstars, Friday, 25 March 2016 22:14 (eight years ago) link

haha i think it's a right of passage to hate this band at some point

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 26 March 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link

What do we think of the single ?

― calstars, Friday, March 25, 2016 6:14 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Grip Gnop" (Avey) is great, should've been on the album, might've gotten cut because it's sort of similar to "Floridada." The b-side "Hounds of Bairro" (Panda) is a b-side for a reason. I think it's a holdover from PBVSGR.

flappy bird, Friday, 1 April 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

*Gnip Gnop

flappy bird, Friday, 1 April 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

this is so squelchy

#squelchiestnewmusic

So, whatcha think about it Treeship?

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, February 22, 2016 11:05 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sorry for the delay. this is rad. i don't like the title or album art but the actual songs are just awesome

Treeship, Thursday, 7 April 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link

Deakin, folks

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 7 April 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link

Sleep Cycle is quite nice, much better than the last two AC albums

ufo, Saturday, 9 April 2016 01:02 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

glad i finally got to hear "Loch Raven" and "Bees" live tonight. really good show. glad i'm seeing them again in November- they played about 3/4 of the new LP but not "Recycling," probably my favorite of all the PB vox-hocketing songs...

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 06:41 (seven years ago) link

gnip gnop
lying in the grass
spilling guts
on delay
the burglars
vertical
daily routine
jimmy mack (cover)
alvin row
summing the wretch
floridada
---
bees
loch raven
golden gal

gnip gnop was a great opener. alvin row has always been a white whale for ac fans and the fact that they've been playing it at every show this year is neat but it's only one part of the 12-minute suite, the "dear alvin" section toward the end. loch raven and bees were so beautiful. lying in the grass and on delay stood out among the new songs that hadn't already clicked for me. i thought spilling guts and summing the wretch were different songs. floridada is the new peacebone as far as crowds are concerned. love the way avey slurs the chorus live. the cover was whatever i would've rather heard another song from painting with. daily routine, i feel like i've seen them play that at 4 of the 6 shows i've gone to, great song nonetheless... if i lived in DC i would double dip and go again tmrw...

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 06:48 (seven years ago) link

vertical rules

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 06:48 (seven years ago) link

six months pass...

can't believe i'm saying this but Stereogum commenter OTM:

Animal Collective got popular during George W. Bush's administration. They literally put out their first album in 2000 and followed it up with an even more oblique album in 2001. They were a radical alternative to what would eventually be the uber-patriotic post-9/11 America.

Their music was attractive because it offered a very distinct escape. "Pride & Fight" was only ever released on a live album because during the early 2000s, Animal Collective couldn't be bothered with repeating themselves. They weren't alone, but based on this performance, you can see that they had a very unique way of distancing themselves from the pack.

Believe it or not, performances like this was what made them a common name in the indie-sphere of 2004. This band that wouldn't even play their recorded/released songs live was something many of us desperately needed. At a time of unfortunate stagnation, here's a band constantly shifting with no regard to needing extreme acceptance.

Just as A.J. highlighted in the Killer Mike thread, old Radiohead seems to be hauntingly apropos right now. It's the same reasoning AnCo felt the need to whip out this 2001/2002 gem from their deep discography. All of a sudden, the off the wall music they made their name on is relevant in this country once again.

Ever wonder why we stopped giving a fuck about Animal Collective in 2009? Early 2009, never forget. We got Merriweather Post Pavillion BEFORE Barack Obama was sworn in. Ever consider that album was like the celebration at the end of the Bush administration? That all their psych-folk tendencies were just a natural reaction to living in W's America? But now that new blood was entering office, their old ways wouldn't be as potent?

Look at how we reacted to Centipede Hz and this year's (Did you even remember they released a new album this year?) Painting With . We had no need for it.

But watching this video today, I recall how important this band was during a certain section of 21st century American history. This is the first time I've been triggered to watch an Animal Collective video in years, and I don't think it's just a coincidence considering what just happened in my backyard.

http://www.stereogum.com/1910353/animal-collective-play-pride-and-fight-for-the-first-time-in-15-years-as-trump-wins-presidency/video/

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 02:15 (seven years ago) link

That's just silliness. I mean, their songs had titles like "Who Could Win a Rabbit" and "Daffy Duck". AC were great for a time, but they were hardly some kind of rage against the dying of the light in the Bush era.

Position Position, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 02:43 (seven years ago) link

but they were never a silly band and they never made silly music. there's so much melancholy in their music, and the pre-SJ stuff is especially sinister. they offered another world, their freak outs during songs like Baby Day or We Tigers or Kids on Holiday or The Purple Bottle were closer to the deadly Dancing Mania of the Middle Ages than empty goofiness. it was dark catharsis and refreshing during a really bleak time in this country and in the world. they weren't raging against, they offered an alternative that was more than navel gazing.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:04 (seven years ago) link

They made a lot of silly music - Who Could Win a Rabbit being a prime example. I think what made a lot of their early stuff interesting was the way they were constantly popping the dramatic balloons they were inflating--all their yelping and unpredictable percussion blasts and hardcore growls amidst droning ambient. They blended silly and serious like it was a Reese's peanut butter cup.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:19 (seven years ago) link

The lyrics to Who Could Win a Rabbit might almost be a missions statement. It's basically a 'fuck the world' song, but instead of going 'relax, feel love, hold hands' or all of that, it's 'habit or rabbit rabbit or a rib habit or rabbit rabbit or a rib' The habit in this case being nuns uniform, the rabbit being anarchist farm getaway, and a rib being wordplay.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:29 (seven years ago) link

I think a better candidate for a group that people stopped caring about after the Bush administration ended is The Thermals.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link

So I listened to Sung Tongs with the lyric sheet from Genius, and there's a bunch of rage in there, confusion, abdication. But also, the last three songs, uhm, they're all about sex, and that's not really something AnCo was that good at describing.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link

Dog of height in the trees
Won't you come down doggy
Such a sweet doggy
I brought you your dinner
My doggy I miss you kissing from my palm

I remember when I first got you doggy

But you lay there so still doggy
You lay there
So still

Dog who fell to the ground
Twisted your neck doggy
Don't look right doggy
The vet came with sutures
He said "Dave
Hey the doctor cannot save your dog"

But I remember when I first got you dog

But you lay there so still doggy
You lay there
So still

Dog of depth in the dirt
They buried you deep doggy
You're the best doggy
My friend has a doggy
She's real nice dog
I wish you could chase her round my yard

I remember when I first got you dog

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link

there ya go, i think a lot of people that think of them as this silly fuck-off band never read the lyrics. ^ Doggy is a great example, the whole Campfire Songs album is incredibly sad. the artwork for Spirit and Feels depict this children's book, henry darger fantasy gone wrong. look at the lyrics for Daffy Duck, one of the songs mentioned above, and it's not exactly some Pollyanna goof off. Feels, their "love record," is full of unrequited love and longing and loss:

What I need is good advice
Cooked on plates around me
Rubber hands and silly friends
Pasted on my wall

Someone salt
A sweet sea soup
That I could swim in proudly
We might swim like laughing ducks
In your pink lagoon

There we go changing again
There we go again

My hands can make yours
Warm again
If not absorbed in blankets
Are you in need of teen angst
And nibble on your neck?

And if I had volcano boots
For swimming in volcanoes
Do you know the origins of laughing ducks?
Oh what's a matter with those birds?

There we go changing again
There we go again

What you need's a happy farm
With happy goats and sheep
What I need's a happy arm
To swing ya 'round like father

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link

Re Doggy, it's sad but also infantile. It's infantile, but in a performative way. It's kinda creepy. I'm not sure I like it, particularly, and I definitely prefer AnCo when they're much more noisy and explicitly ugly.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:01 (seven years ago) link

i don't think it's infantile, it's just plain spoken and wistful. idk about it being 'performative' - i've been seeing this used a lot lately as a buzzword, essentially meaning 'inauthentic,' and i don't think that fits Doggy at all, or any of their songs. you could call AC a lot of things but i don't think they were ever inauthentic - their appeal was the intense and palpable emotion and energy that they gave off. Doggy might be one of the most straightforward songs they've ever written. Spirit is the best combo of the melancholy of the acoustic stuff and the explicit ugliness of their noisest stuff.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link

It's definitely infantile, it's regressing into a trauma from childhood, rather than dealing with the present. What I mean by 'performative' is stuff like the constant use of 'doggy', which continues even though it's made it's point. It's as if Avey Tare knows that he's a grownup pretending to be a little boy, and that's not so much 'inauthentic' as it's healthy.

I mean, AnCo were performative. They weren't animals. They weren't tigers. They were 'inauthentic' if we think authenticity means meaning what one says. They didn't, they were in character. But the characters communicated emotion as well. That's not true of stuff like My Girls and Brother Sport, though, which definitely seems to mean what it says.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link

It's definitely infantile, it's regressing into a trauma from childhood, rather than dealing with the present. What I mean by 'performative' is stuff like the constant use of 'doggy', which continues even though it's made it's point. It's as if Avey Tare knows that he's a grownup pretending to be a little boy, and that's not so much 'inauthentic' as it's healthy.

Gotcha. I think this is otm - when you said infantile, i was thinking of a literal infant throwing a temper tantrum, maybe something like the untitled third track on Spirit. it's definitely regressing (or revisiting?) into boyhood trauma.

I mean, AnCo were performative. They weren't animals. They weren't tigers. They were 'inauthentic' if we think authenticity means meaning what one says. They didn't, they were in character. But the characters communicated emotion as well. That's not true of stuff like My Girls and Brother Sport, though, which definitely seems to mean what it says.

i'm not sure about this - the whole being in character and dressing up in face paint and masks stopped after the Here Comes the Indian era in 2002. i never really bought the bit that they were in character after that, sure they had stage names but the lyrics became much more personal and they certainly didn't present themselves as characters on stage. just because they're singing "we tigers we tigers WOO!" doesn't mean they're pretending to be tigers. their shows became much less tribalistic after 2006 - by the next year they had already written MPP and were playing most of those songs live, and like you said, that record was their most straightforward yet (lyrically and musically).

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link

Ever wonder why we stopped giving a fuck about Animal Collective in 2009? Early 2009, never forget. We got Merriweather Post Pavillion BEFORE Barack Obama was sworn in. Ever consider that album was like the celebration at the end of the Bush administration? That all their psych-folk tendencies were just a natural reaction to living in W's America? But now that new blood was entering office, their old ways wouldn't be as potent?

That's so tenuous you might as well say their fall-off was a reaction to swine flu or the Gaza War or the death of Michael Jackson. It felt even at the time that MPP was a final destination rather than a stepping stone.

the_ecuador_three, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link

In other news this is dark and great and should have been on Strawberry Jam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rvPX8UlQ78

the_ecuador_three, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link

Shit, silly band. Shit, silly music.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link

xp Safer is a great song, and I see that it's been appended as the last track on SJ on all streaming/digital services... I still think they screwed up the production on SJ by going in the opposite direction as Feels. SJ has barely any reverb, none of the vocals (except Panda's) are double-tracked, all of the buildups and transitions were cut and the songs were consolidated... this approach worked better for the songs on MPP, and they got the atmosphere on that record right, but SJ would've benefitted from that gauzy, hummy sound of Feels. it would've been the darker/twisted twin of the lovey dovey Feels.

they corrected course when they mixed the Water Curses EP, there's more space and texture to the vocals. Street Flash is an SJ outtake and most days it's my favorite song by them...

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link

I love Strawberry Jam. Not all the transitions were cut, For Reverend Green into Fireworks might be the best one-two they ever did. Besides that I think the record benefits from the constant switch between songs, whereas something like Sung Tongs gets stuck in each mood for too long.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link

sung tongs shits all over strawberry jam from a great height tho!

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link

xp that's true, i think they nailed those two songs and the transition between them. i'm probably biased because I saw them play most of SJ + Safer & Street Flash about a year and a half before the record came out, and they played the songs in that murky, drawn out Feels style. it's like how a lot of people upthread said years ago, Feels was a letdown for them because they were first exposed to those songs live and they were much louder, more raw, noisey. and the record ended up being more sedate and pretty. but since I heard Feels first, it remains my favorite, a perfect record imo, and i can appreciate the live recordings of that era on their own.

i'd rank the imperial phase as:

feels > sung tongs > spirit > mpp > indian > hollindagain > danse > campfire > sj

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link

x-post: Nah. None of them are as good as Here Comes the Indian though.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link

Indian > SJ > CHz > Sung Tongs > MPP > Feels > Spirits > Danse > Campfire

I should relisten to Spirits though. Also to figure out what to vote for..

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link

glad to see you included CHz, and so high! i think that's a great, messy, complicated record that I still haven't quite cottoned to completely, although I think "Moonjock" is one of the most riveting things they've ever done. i only excluded CHz and Painting With (which I love, too) because MPP was definitely a culmination for them, and they drastically slowed down. they used to put out multiple things a year, and ever since the turn of the decade, it's been 3-4 years between records.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link

When I saw them live after CHz, they did Moonjock into What Would I Want, Sky? for an opening 15 minutes in 7/8. That got bad reviews.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:58 (seven years ago) link

oof, sounds sweet. i only saw one CHz era show, right at the very end when they rescheduled some shows in December 2013. i was burnt out after being such a hardcore fan for five years that i skipped their two pavilion shows in 2011/12. really regretting it now. the two times I saw them this year they were so great, new songs are so much better live

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link

Listening to Centipede Hz for the first time in forever and it is holding up a lot better than I remember.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 23:22 (seven years ago) link

Now I'm listening to Painting With for the first time since it came out. "Floridada" is easily one of their worst songs. The album improves immensely if you don't let that opener spoil your appetite for more.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 14:05 (seven years ago) link

The Deakin song always kills my interest when I listen to Centipede Hz. I suppose I could skip it.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link

Yeah I could never get into Wide Eyed. mostly because the premise is so daft. I feel like after MPP, the AC started to fulfill all the dumbest stereotypes that people pinned on them: psychedelic drugs and craaaaaaaaazy graphics and tie dye and nonsense animal lyrics (the very ending of Applesauce).

flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link

by the way, if anyone hasn't listened to the new album or any of this year's shows, I highly recommend this recording from a couple weeks ago in New York (done by NYCtaper, so the quality is sweet). imo this live era has been one of their best, they're using more modular synths instead of samples and it's really opened up the songs and made each show pretty distinct. the Jimmy Mack cover is wild, they've been doing it all year and it's really become the centerpiece of the shows, sort of like the new Brother Sport. Avey has been going off on these wild harangues in the middle, sort of like a Southern Baptist minister.

https://archive.org/details/acollective2016-11-02.t5

01. Recycling
02. Lying in the Grass
03. Golden Gal
04. Summing the Wretch
05. Loch Raven
06. On Delay
07. Jimmy Mack [Martha Reeves and The Vandellas]
08. Water Curses
09. FloriDada
10. The Burglars
11. Kids on Holiday
---
13. Hocus Pocus
14. Guys Eyes
15. Summertime Clothes

flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link

banimal bollective

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link

that nyctaper gig is great! feels like jimmy mack is taking the place of (the possibly overdone or in need of a rest) fireworks.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 05:53 (seven years ago) link

sweet hour-long interview with noah and brian https://soundcloud.com/noeffectsshow/72-animal-collective

flappy bird, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link

seven months pass...

New Avey Tare is fairly good. Not quite as good as Meeting of the Waters, but sorta the same sound, and much better than I'd expected. These guys are having a much better 2017 than I would have thought.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 12:28 (six years ago) link

Still haven't heard it, waiting for my LP to ship 🙃

flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

haha my friend doesn't like them because 'they sound like the beatles'.
― cozen (Cozen), Friday, February 6, 2004 6:30 PM (fourteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 05:20 (six years ago) link

i didn't know they'd released music since 2012

crüt, Monday, 19 February 2018 08:14 (six years ago) link

been playing fireworks on repeat for a week. beautiful melody, and the change halfway through... agh. avey has a magic touch underneath that sea of electronics. go back to 'spirit they're gone' for his whimsical, ethereal, fantastical bare songwriting. i swear that album is so unique - sonically, dynamically. never heard anything like it.

oh, no! my singing voice is gone! my singing voice is gone! my singing voice is gone!

meaulnes, Monday, 19 February 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

new album Tangerine Reef out August 17.

https://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2018/07/Animal-Collective-Tangerine-Reef-1531756837-640x640.jpg

1. Hair Cutter
2. Buffalo Tomato
3. Inspector Gadget
4. Buxom
5. Coral Understanding
6. Airpipe (To a New Transition)
7. Jake and Me
8. Coral by Numbers
9. Hip Sponge
10. Coral Realization
11. Lundsten Coral
12. Palythoa
13. Best of Times (Worst of All)

"Hair Cutter" is really cool, sounds a lot like the calmer moments on Here Comes the Indian.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 05:50 (five years ago) link

new song debuted last night in Atlanta at the first show of the US Sung Tongs tour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DQH5KFbCU8

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link

3. Inspector Gadget

Could you BEEEEE any more....?

Gâteau Superstar (dog latin), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Saw the Sung Tongs show in LA and, aside from a few moments, really disliked it. I love the album but watching these two grown men sing infantile gibberish really hammered home how dumb the whole endeavor is. Made me appreciate the way they grew on later albums—Fuller, noisier, more complex. This show felt less like revisiting old material than regressing to a lesser state.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link

ha, right on. they peaked at their first album if you ask me. aside a couple of cuts on later LPs, everything else is silly bollocks.

meaulnes, Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link

I was surprised by my own reaction though because I absolutely did not go into this show as a hater. In fact I’ve seen them twice before—on the MPP tour at the Troubador, one of my all-time favorite shows ever; and a few years later at Hollywood Bowl, a decent show with big high points. I think there’s something to recommend in nearly all of their albums and the run up to and including MPP is pretty remarkable. Something about seeing them in this stripped down fashion though, really deflated the experience. Judging by the crowd reaction I may have been alone in this feeling.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link

pgwp maybe alone in it, but fair for you to feel how you do

saw them on strawberry jam tour, in which they mostly played material from Merriweather. Honestly these guys are insufferable to me now, though the sung tongs pitchfork performance was a nice bit of nostalgia. I have most of their records and EPs but would likely give them away for free if anyone wants to pay postage

eris (Ross), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link

always interested in AC vinyl, ILXmail me if you're serious.

sleeve, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link

no vinyl sorry, should have said CDs

I have water curses, prospect hummer, sung tongs, merriweather..etc

Ross, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link

no worries, someone else might take you up on that though! still don't think I've heard Water Curses but boy do I hate Avey's "yelp" style vocals that pop up in the later work with distressing frequency

sleeve, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link

yeah, otm

strawberry jam seemed to avey taking over way more and making it his own roadshow. the panda songs were always the best IMO

Ross, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link

*seemed to find

Ross, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Feels reissued on vinyl today, unreleased live recording uploaded: 8/22/04 - Neumo's - Seattle, WA

wastered
did you see the words
kids on holiday
people
loch raven
banshee beat
the purple bottle

flappy bird, Friday, 21 September 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

finally listened to "Painting With" and it's...kinda fun actually? I mean I get that this and Centipede don't feel special the way MPP did but they're still pretty neat, I feel like if a different band had recorded those records they would've been much better received

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link

I recommend the live recordings they've released from the PW tour. I like the album but it honestly felt more like a justification to tour and put on that amazing show. The lack of transitions is what sinks the album for me- they're jumping off points. the whole sound palette of this record was really well suited to extended transitions and blending. the album is too discreet for me

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link

DISCRETE

(sorry)

sleeve, Thursday, 19 December 2019 03:19 (four years ago) link

Saw the Sung Tongs show in LA and, aside from a few moments, really disliked it. I love the album but watching these two grown men sing infantile gibberish really hammered home how dumb the whole endeavor is. Made me appreciate the way they grew on later albums—Fuller, noisier, more complex. This show felt less like revisiting old material than regressing to a lesser state.

― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, August 2, 2018 4:09 PM (one year ago)

Deflatormouse, Thursday, 19 December 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link

Idk, Avey Tare squealing "wheee!" in response to Noah's descending scale motif on Leaf House may be the smartest thing I've ever heard on a pop record, as well as the most playful.

Deflatormouse, Thursday, 19 December 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link

It works on record. It did not work live.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 20 December 2019 01:09 (four years ago) link

Interesting. I don't totally love any of their albums, tbh. All have some elements I really like and others I find offputting. Well, to be fair, I haven't heard them all, and of the several i've heard, some are more familiar to me than others. A couple I keep meaning to spend more time with...

On Sung Tongs it's that preppy, collegiate vibe that repels. And maybe it's just a product of the 60's folk-pop reference points. But the infantile regression therapy stuff is actually what I find most appealing in it.

Deflatormouse, Friday, 20 December 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link

the first Sung Tongs show, in December 2017, was one of the best shows I've ever seen. some of the most powerful crowd energy ever- I understand what you're saying and I imagine that it lost some of the magic when the toured it, but goddamn, the energy in the room that night, the brilliant surprise of COVERED IN FROGS into Winter's Love, the transcendent Visiting Friends... it was an amazing night.

PB was also going wild vocally that night- it was a throwback to the original ST shows I've seen online from like 2003.

flappy bird, Saturday, 21 December 2019 02:29 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

they were very good for about three years (2003-2006) but Merriweather Post Pavillion was horrible and established their later signature 'terrible' sound and now its been almost 15 years since they released anything decent. Sung tongs/feels/campfire songs were all great though.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 21:40 (three years ago) link

Am in general agreement--Prospect Hummer also holds up well in the EP dept IMO

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 22:17 (three years ago) link

Strawberry Jam was the harbinger of the decline.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link

pom otm, much prefer MPP to Strawberry Jam. But MPP set the template for the unlistenably busy sound of what came after.

Sung Tongs and Feels are both painfully classic though

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link

When they lost their initial sense of off-handed, accidental exploration and started camping on the Respectable Art of Timeless Songcraft, I couldn't help but feel like trawling for 9.0+ p4k scores had become their sole raison d'être (it worked, mind you).

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link

Aka their earlier stuff really was better.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link

I saw them many times in the window plax mentioned. Those shows, most of which were built around the Feels songs, really were amazing. When that album eventually came out it was a huge disappointment, and I never really put my finger on why that was. All the chaos gone, perhaps

Priory, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 01:12 (three years ago) link

When they lost their initial sense of off-handed, accidental exploration and started camping on the Respectable Art of Timeless Songcraft, I couldn't help but feel like trawling for 9.0+ p4k scores had become their sole raison d'être (it worked, mind you).

― pomenitul, Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:39 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

LOL not a chance

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 07:39 (three years ago) link

Agree with everything here. I quite liked 'Fireworks' but Strawberry Jam was unpleasant, and MPP only had about 2-3 good songs in a mire of bad production choices and over-precious lyrics. I will vouch very much for the concurrent 'What Would I Want, Sky' EP, which seemed to nail that direction a lot better and is just a nicer record overall.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 12:02 (three years ago) link

cranking "brothersport" and imagining recent opinions as hipster runoff posts ca. 09

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 13:30 (three years ago) link

feels sounded like arcade fire is what happened

brimstead, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link

I got into them at the time of Strawberry Jam & Person Pitch, and I'm still generally fond of those records, as well as Sung Tongs and parts of Feels. Also I still regard MPP as a major achievement for them. Saw them at the Troubadour when they toured that album and it ranks among my favorite all-time concerts. Just thrilling.

That said... I've been ambivalent at best to anything they've done, as a group or solo, since then. And I saw Avey Tare and PB do the 10th anniversary tour for Sung Tongs a year or two back and found the whole thing really infantile. I probably posted about it upthread somewhere. And though I feel nostalgic for that album and SJ and MPP, I truly don't pull out any of their records with much regularity any more.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link

I actually liked Painting With quite a bit, it's not great but I probably listen to it more than MPP these days

fwiw I think "Lion in a Coma" is the high point of their career

frogbs, Thursday, 6 August 2020 01:38 (three years ago) link

Feels is great, all that crawling under the surface, like something on your skin

plax (ico), Friday, 7 August 2020 07:38 (three years ago) link

Wow, I love their dense psych stuff but I often skip Lion!

assert (MatthewK), Friday, 7 August 2020 07:54 (three years ago) link

here's my MPP God Mode playlist

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1V8PN4AHytamvJYvwoBXUR?si=LZvpjE44RDuvvpdQXJ7dDg

Basically cut out the more formless and cloying bits and replaced them with cuts from Fall Be Kind. I'd happily listen to this

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 7 August 2020 08:33 (three years ago) link

Seriously though, listening to these songs in this order is so much more enjoyable to me:

Graze
Brothersport
What Would I Want Sky
On A Highway
Bluish
Lion In A Coma
I Think I Can
No More Runnin

short and sweet at 43 minutes but it opens and concludes nicely and no adobe slabs

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 7 August 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link

for the late period haters (I'm not), don't sleep on ODDSAC

assert (MatthewK), Friday, 7 August 2020 12:28 (three years ago) link

I have not listened to ODDSAC since seeing it in a theater but I recall enjoying! It led to a personal goal to visit the state park in PA where they filmed the scene with all the boulders. Finally achieved a few years later, psychedelically enhanced iirc

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 7 August 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

a couple things

1) maybe it's the herbal supplement but I've finally started to connect with these guys as "the music of childhood"...particularly there's something about the bass sounds they use, those clunky little Atari noises that for me really do seem to trigger memories of being like, 4 years old. its hard to explain but there's something about that sound that hits me in a weird place.

2) Painting With is a great little record, I think I like it more than any of 'em save for MPP and maybe Feels. I like that winky-wonky noise

frogbs, Thursday, 10 December 2020 21:11 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5iJ9wt4paY

New single... sounds great?! Finally some production with a bit of breathing room in it.

My guess is they have been chowing down heavy on The Dead.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:06 (two years ago) link

Best thing I've heard out of them in years.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:23 (two years ago) link

This is the step they needed to take.

Painting With was cluttered and exhausting

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link

And most of the soundtrack side stuff they’ve done since then has been a shrug at best

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link

This is good, I dig it. I really haven't enjoyed an AnCo release since MPP (I know, we are all supposed to hate that one) and haven't loved one unreservedly since Strawberry Jams. Looking forward to the new one now though.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:52 (two years ago) link

(Not ALL of the side stuff has been bad but a lot of it had been just sorta there)

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link

I'm not really sure why the ilx hivemind (unless it went beyond that somewhere) decided we are supposed to hate MPP. Seemed a lot like a predictable anti-hype backlash contrarian thing, but it's not like I asked around or anything. I personally don't have strong feelings about that album one way or another, except that I liked how it relatively wasn't so busy and frantic. To that point, this new track seems like a nice way to mature their sound! Cool development.

Evan, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 15:01 (two years ago) link

I don’t think MPP is inherently bad - whenever I come back to it (intentionally or when Apple Music shunts me to a track) it’s a thrill. At the time I was writing about it and had been heavily anticipating it and … just burnt myself out on it.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 15:11 (two years ago) link

I'm probably the rare person here who loved Centipede Hz. I've probably posted about it somewhere, but never gotten any bites. I never really jumped onto the backlash wagon with them, but their music just resonated less with me over time. This new song is pretty cool, if not super distinct. My interest is piqued, though.

beard papa, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link

Painting With was cluttered and exhausting

― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:42 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yea I wanna revise my opinion on this the album really does wear you out if you listen to it at once, same boing-boing-boing-boing rhythms and alternating vocals on every track. I do think the songs are mostly good though, especially the side openers.

Centipede Hz is the one I think that needs re-evaluation, I think a lot of people were suffering from AnCo burnout at the time and maybe didn't appreciate how freaky this album gets. it's quickly becoming a favorite

new song sounds quite nice. i think it would be cool if they did something less hyperactive w/o being all droney and weird

frogbs, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link

Good song except the simple repetitive melody

nostormo, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link

CHz has definitely grown on me over the years

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link

new song is ok

mpp is good, just not the masterpiece it was hyped in the press as at the time. chz is ok, there's some good stuff on it but it's a little overwhelmingly dense & not as strong as what came before.

there are apparently two new albums on the way next year, not just time skiffs. story is they have a ton of new material but weren't happy with their attempts to record half of it remotely during the pandemic. they've been playing a lot more than just the time skiffs material live.

ufo, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link

Wide Eyed from CHz is one of my favorite AnCo tracks ever, they should let Deak sing more

frogbs, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link

My favorite AC thing in the last while is actually the Deakin solo record

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link

Deakin is back for this song.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 21:37 (two years ago) link

New track is very pretty, love the Rhodes on it

J. Sam, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link

Prester John” is the result of two distinct songs—one by Avey Tare and one by Panda Bear—woven together

i dont get how this (from pitchfork) could be true.. its just one melody the whole time?

flopson, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link

nice melody though

flopson, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link

Cautiously optimistic. This sounds better than most of their material from the past decade, however Deakin is not involved in the whole album and this is described as the best song from fans who’ve apparently heard pretty much the whole record live at this point?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 22:31 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

make ya monkey rich

whos excited for the new album. should I start a thread er nah

frogbs, Friday, 28 January 2022 19:11 (two years ago) link

I feel bad for rejecting Animal Collective post Centipede Hz. I think I owe it to them for all the good times to check this new one out.

Loved Avey Tare's Eucalyptus whenever that came out. Up there with my favourites from the AnCo catalogue. Ambient AnCo > Chaotic AnCo = Pop AnCo

hrep (H.P), Saturday, 29 January 2022 02:46 (two years ago) link

New thread idea: rank AnCo styles: Ambient, Noise, Pop, Jam
I would like to resubmit: ambient > jam > noise = pop

hrep (H.P), Saturday, 29 January 2022 02:50 (two years ago) link

I think Centipede might actually be my favorite album of theirs

frogbs, Saturday, 29 January 2022 03:02 (two years ago) link

It's got some tight melody's I'll give it that. I put it on a few months ago and thought it had aged well.

hrep (H.P), Saturday, 29 January 2022 03:12 (two years ago) link

This Prester John track is great

hrep (H.P), Saturday, 29 January 2022 03:13 (two years ago) link

I really love a lot of the Centipede tracks - Wide Eyed and Monkey Riches especially - but I've really started to appreciate Rosie Oh sounding like a really fucked up thing from Ween's The Mollusk. like even Ween could never dream of something that mutated

frogbs, Saturday, 29 January 2022 04:00 (two years ago) link

Listened to Centipede HZ again on this threads inspiration. Anco at its most prog but damn can they spin a banging melody. Very tight collection of songs. OTM re: Ween comparison. Applesauce might be their best singalong, so many fun parts to put your voice to.
The album really fits into the PC Music era. Would love to hear a version of the album without any vocals as the instrumentation stands on its own as a highly developed world. Could see this hypothetical version released on warp as a new artist and pull in handsome reviews.

hrep (H.P), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 00:25 (two years ago) link

many years on, with some diversions and evidence to the contrary (what the hell is that ending to applesauce?), I am still convinced Avey Tare is a genius of songwriting, one of the best of 2000's. I regret the stigma that attached to AnCo which undervalued how great their songwriting really is (regardless of opinion on style).
Spirit they've gone is the miracle that proves my point. April and the phantom, Penny Dreadfuls and Alvin Row as the beginning of your songwriting output? Get out of here!

Speaking of reevaluations: Down There. Will take it above Person Pitch any day; it deserved an equal amount of praise. Laughing Hieroglyphic best song on depression? Best Anco Melody? Most appropriate production? Best use of accordion in pop? I'm not sure, but it makes you ask.

Okay sorry I know waxing lyrical on AnCo is a nono

hrep (H.P), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 00:48 (two years ago) link

agreed that spirit is absolutely remarkable for a debut/songwriting (never heard anything as simultaneously challenging/beautiful/dark/whimsical), but i fail to hear it in any other of their records regardless of the style... maybe 'feels' at a push...

maelin, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 01:05 (two years ago) link

I'd argue Tracks 4-8 on Strawberry Jam reflect Spirits essence pretty well. In particular Cuckoo Cuckoo feels like a shorter, high production value, amalgamation of the three spirit songs I mentioned.
The thing with spirit is that it couldn't be replicated because it was a coming of age album (all arguments to the contrary need to read through the lyrics again.) and the thing with coming of age is you can only do it once. A spirit 2.0 would not have the maturity present in making an album like that at their immature age. I don't have much time for Danse Manatee but I do think it was the right choice in their progression.

AnCo really wear their emotional growth/stages on their sleeves with each album. From the distance there is a clear storyline progressing in their discography. Centipede got hit because it was the first plateau in their emotional progression. relative plateau anyway because I think there were still some newly developed heart on sleeve moments.

Spirit carried on throughout their discography with the childhood motif in their lyrics. Spirit was the concentrate of lost innocence in lyrics which leak onto every album and define AnCo's lyrics.: ahhhh good country, doggy, slippi, banshee beat, #1 and cuckoo cuckoo, brother sport, applesauce, etc.

hrep (H.P), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 04:11 (two years ago) link

Spirit has a very unique sound to it, something that I think is only really possible in a debut album - everything is so crisp and paper thin but not in a way I think anyone would want to replicate. Outside of the very low bass everything seems to occupy this high frequency, it's like a chunk of it is missing or something. Avey's voice almost hasn't even dropped yet, he doesn't really sound like that on any other album. I have a live recording where they do "Alvin Row" and it's amazing & clearly they're a way better band...but it's not as ethereal as it is on the album.

fwiw I'm not sure how I rate it as an album. it does a really good job pissing me off right off the bat. its definitely got some magic to it though. personally, I feel their 5 best are Feels, Strawberry, MPP, Centipede, and Painting With. the 5 most recent lol

new album appears to have leaked. RYM people seem to like it. I suppose I'll grab a copy when it's actually out.

frogbs, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 22:20 (two years ago) link

My poor ears just can't take the frequencies involved in 'Spirit They've Vanished' so I ran it through an audio cleanup plug-in and plucked out the two main offenders, at least I can listen to it now.

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 23:23 (two years ago) link

Pretty incredible to take off so hard as a band with spirit as their first album, don't think anyone could expect their MPP success 8 years on from this utterly strange debut. Forgot how abrasive the first track is, not their standout that's for sure. The noise and repetition does allow the title lyric and melody change at the 3:30 minute mark to hit harder than it should.

Written about this before, but I really believe Catcher in the Rye and Spirit They've Gone are two pieces cut from the same cloth.

hrep (H.P), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 23:37 (two years ago) link

new album is surprisingly good, a real return to form. plays to all their strengths while still breaking new ground for them & it's also the best they've ever sounded production-wise.

vibes this time are 'the 70s' and 'exotica', it's very lush & loose

ufo, Friday, 4 February 2022 01:45 (two years ago) link

that's awesome, I really liked the recent "We Go Back" single. hope the store has it in tomorrow

something was recently pointed out to me that blew my mind; proto-Animal Collective is not The Beach Boys, but rather the track "Schooldays" by Gentle Giant

frogbs, Friday, 4 February 2022 03:55 (two years ago) link

whos excited for the new album. should I start a thread er nah

I think you should and still not too late

Bee OK, Friday, 4 February 2022 04:00 (two years ago) link

okay fine

frogbs, Friday, 4 February 2022 04:03 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

lmao the picture they picked for this

Panda Bear shares 17-minute ambient track rejected by Calm app https://t.co/a6MV0trByL pic.twitter.com/oTR9RoTgp8

— THE LINE OF BEST FIT (@bestfitmusic) April 12, 2022

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 April 2022 03:35 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

just saw them in Madison last night. it was really good!! incredible set list, lots of stuff from Time Skiffs plus like 3 new songs, one of which was a total showstopper. I didn't realize how much they fuck around with the arrangements live. cool crowd too, reminds me of a Ween crowd but younger. the lady next to me might've been the biggest AnCo fan on the planet.

frogbs, Monday, 25 July 2022 19:01 (one year ago) link

Nice, I couldn't go and honestly I'm not much of a fan, but it seemed like kind of a crazy opportunity to see them in a relatively small venue, for not very much money. Glad it was a cool show.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 25 July 2022 20:07 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

listening to the new one. “prester john” knocked me on my ass! “cherokee” sounds very classic anco in my mind, the kind of sound that made me fall for this band when i was a teenager

comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 August 2022 23:29 (one year ago) link

yeah Time Skiffs is great!

thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 18 August 2022 23:32 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Yikes.

Getting bad out there, friends.

pic.twitter.com/1AZGjgSluo

— Animal Collective (@anmlcollective) May 26, 2022

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 October 2022 17:21 (one year ago) link

That's from May, isn't it?

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 10 October 2022 17:35 (one year ago) link

Ah, so it is. Just saw that. It popped up in my feed because the writer Marc Masters retweeted it. The point remains!

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 October 2022 17:38 (one year ago) link

There's actually a newer post about a tour cancellation from them, which is why the older post got retweeted most likely.

Hard to imagine how any band is making it on tour right now. Rough times. pic.twitter.com/pHUlBhJUDY

— Marc Masters 🌵 (@Marcissist) October 10, 2022

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Monday, 10 October 2022 17:43 (one year ago) link

That’s a real bummer, if AnCo can’t make it I’d imagine the vast majority of the bands I like can’t either

frogbs, Monday, 10 October 2022 18:01 (one year ago) link

Brutal.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 10 October 2022 18:07 (one year ago) link

Santigold also cancelled recently also exposing how unsustainable touring has become.

I’d imagined that a bigger indie act like Animal Collective wouldn’t face this challenges but the situation seems grim.

It will also become a domino effect I think, smaller venues breaking down and indie artists finding it harder and harder to do large tours. I think for international tours, indie acts will only be sustainable on big festivals and short circuits in the dates around the festival.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 10 October 2022 18:23 (one year ago) link

Truss crashing the pound made it uneconomical for US bands to get paid in sterling?

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 10 October 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link

I was stunned when the pound came close to matching the dollar (coming within a dime). I didn't know how bad it was until I placed a Discogs order from a vendor in the UK and the total in U.S. dollars seemed completely off.

birdistheword, Monday, 10 October 2022 21:59 (one year ago) link

yeah exchange rates are clearly a big part of the problem (as they mention), the us dollar is extremely strong at the moment, going beyond just the insanity of the uk

ufo, Monday, 10 October 2022 22:17 (one year ago) link

also ticket sales are probably down in general due to tough economic conditions + every act in existence trying to tour this year but no idea how much of a factor that would have been for them

ufo, Monday, 10 October 2022 22:18 (one year ago) link

Also, AC are not selling as they used to maybe?

nostormo, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 00:50 (one year ago) link

i doubt it for reasons of popularity when this year's album was their best received in over a decade

ufo, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 02:19 (one year ago) link

Sadly in this day and age critical plaudits are not necessarily an indicator of popularity or ability to sell tickets.

Davey D, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 03:09 (one year ago) link

Sadly in this day and age critical plaudits are not necessarily an indicator of popularity or ability to sell tickets.

Davey D, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 03:09 (one year ago) link

Idk about the other dates but they sold out Madison Wisconsin

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 03:28 (one year ago) link

they seemed to maintain their popularity pretty well even when they had a few less well-received albums

ufo, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 04:10 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Spirit *finally* gets a reissue, with a bonus 3rd LP to boot

https://www.dominomusic.com/releases/animal-collective/spirit-theyre-gone-spirit-theyve-vanished-remastered-2023/exclusive-limited-triple-lp

this album is special and I'll definitely be buying it but man I really hope the remaster tones down some of those insane frequencies

frogbs, Monday, 13 March 2023 17:25 (one year ago) link

really looking forward to hearing that "dreams" cover

ufo, Monday, 13 March 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link

why would you want to tone down the extreme sonics? it's what makes that album so special! i've still never heard anything like it, ever. the drumming is immaculate, and to think it was recorded to tape is even more impressive.

maelin, Monday, 13 March 2023 20:59 (one year ago) link

because it gives me tinnitus

frogbs, Monday, 13 March 2023 21:08 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

^^^ yeah this remaster is incredible, still sounds like it was recorded at home but without sounding like a home recording, if you know what I mean. it does tone down the sonics a *little*. people say they're amazed that a 17 year old made all this but to me it sounds like something *only* a teenager could write. the difference is it's actually good

frogbs, Saturday, 8 July 2023 03:27 (nine months ago) link

Incredible album. Frequencies definitely part of it. Maybe I am still a teenager at heart but I don’t know why it seems like something *only* a teenager could write (barring some self-indulgence, but no more self-indulgent than many adult artists). Some great lyrical chops, perhaps a little on the nose for some in places (April and the phantom in particular. I am fine with on the nose though!). April and the phantom, Penny Dreadfuls, and Alvin Row remain some of the best AnCo stuff every done to me. The thing that makes this album unique in their catalogue is the story-tale quality of most of the lyrics. Slight notes of it in Strawberry Jam and Feels, but the stories are far more extensive in Spirit (and seem less “personal”, though I am sure they probably are).

hrep (H.P), Saturday, 8 July 2023 03:53 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

new album sounding pretty good on this flood-y morning. "stride rite" is exactly what i want out of animal collective these days.

is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Friday, 29 September 2023 15:41 (six months ago) link

Animal Collective - Time Skiffs (2022)

i posted about it in the time skiffs thread when it leaked a few weeks ago and it's pretty good, just really falls off with the last two songs.

ufo, Friday, 29 September 2023 20:11 (six months ago) link

yeah panda probably should’ve kept “all the clubs are broken” in the vault or reworked it for his next album with sonic boom

is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Friday, 29 September 2023 21:17 (six months ago) link

This new one was reminding me a bit of mid-late era Stereolab even before "Gem & I".

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 00:54 (six months ago) link

The vocal harmonies on the second track give me serious Alice In Chains vibes. (Mind you nothing else about the song reminds me of AIC).

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 03:12 (six months ago) link

hah I hear it too! is it maybe the backing voice is an octave lower and it's a descending melody? feels kinda grungey.

really digging this one as well. dunno if it's better than Skiffs (it probably is) but it definitely feels weightier. 2nd half of "Magicians from Baltimore" is pretty cool, playing a jauntey ragtime piano melody over a song that's like half the tempo it needs to be is a real signature AnCo moment I think

"Defeat" maybe their best song yet. though I guess that's cheating. ending part really gives me chills. was so cool to hear this live before anyone knew what it was, I thought it was like 3 new songs in a row

don't mind the last 2 tracks but it feels like "Stride Rite" is the last track and these are bonuses. I actually love "All the Clubs are Broken", it sounds like a playground song! and "King's Walk" sounds really cool! I mean you do vocal harmonies really well why not give this sort of thing a shot just once

frogbs, Saturday, 7 October 2023 03:38 (six months ago) link

I need to catch up with them, the last I heard from them was the “meeting of waters” ep which I liked a lot but haven’t been in the mood for Animal Collective in the past 5+ years.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 7 October 2023 03:42 (six months ago) link

the most recent two albums are definitely a return to form and in some ways the best they've ever sounded

ufo, Saturday, 7 October 2023 03:59 (six months ago) link

Idk about “Return to form”, first of all I really like Centipede and PW, secondly they haven’t really sounded this mellow before have they? But yeah could argue these are two of their very best

frogbs, Saturday, 7 October 2023 15:18 (six months ago) link

actually I take that back, this is like the album Fall be Kind was hinting at

frogbs, Monday, 9 October 2023 14:44 (six months ago) link

On first listen this seems a lot "straighter" than most of the stuff I know by them. 'Soul Capturer' sounds like a more accessible of something off Feels, and it seems to have quite a uniform sound. But I need to listen more. If it's anything like Fall Be Kind then I'm interested

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Monday, 9 October 2023 14:51 (six months ago) link

If this is in the same vein as Fall Be Kind I’m sold. That’s probably the best thing they ever did.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:03 (six months ago) link

Along with Prospect Hummer, yup. Thos eare the two I would mostly be interested in listening to these days.

That said, I don't hear it - it's a pleasant listen but I'm hearing their most "indie rock" oriented work so far; like they're going back to their original influences of bands like Pavement, and yes Stereolab. It's also quite a slow album - not many uptempo tracks here. Quite pleasant to have on in the background so far, and I'm quite glad for the lack of low-key highly annoying noises they are sometimes wont to litter around their records

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:17 (six months ago) link

Rather enjoying the extended track 'Defeat' though

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:27 (six months ago) link

Haha, it goes full on Pacific Ocean Blue in the second half. Love this track

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:29 (six months ago) link

Ok not listening the influence of Fall Be Kind, or not exclusively at least… it’s more of a synthesized version of their whole career?

Really like how this is probably their album - haven’t heard a lot of what they’ve been doing in the past years tho - with the most emphasis on drums and bass on the mix, but I can understand if some people might not like how it sounds.

I can definitely hear the Stereolab influence somewhere in there and also a lot of dub in the bass and the way it’s mixed clearly at the upfront.

Agreed that the two last tracks could have been cut off. “Stride Rite” would have been a great closer. I do wish the piano solo was mixed higher in that one.

Overall not bad, much better than what I would have expected.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:46 (six months ago) link

I'm quite glad for the lack of low-key highly annoying noises they are sometimes wont to litter around their records

100% agree, also these new ones have less of Avey's yelps which I appreciate as well

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:49 (six months ago) link

'Stride Rite' really doesn't sound much like them at all. Makes me think of Lambchop or any of those Americana bands who occasionally stray into Sinatra-esque swing-balladry. Very nice. Yes, would have been a perfect closer

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Monday, 9 October 2023 16:00 (six months ago) link

maybe it's just specific sounds that reminded me of FBK, maybe all the layered vocal bits like in "What Would I Want? Sky" or how these calm passages would suddenly explode into something else like in "Graze". or maybe how the last part of "Defeat" sounds like an even more stony version of "On a Highway".

that said a lot of people on here disagree with my "sounds like x" comparisons so take it with a grain of salt :)

frogbs, Monday, 9 October 2023 16:46 (six months ago) link

Xpost: “Stride Rite” is a Deakin song. If you haven’t heard “sleep cycle” it’s one of the better projects related to AnCo I’ve heard.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 9 October 2023 20:01 (six months ago) link

they've done plenty of floaty piano songs like "stride rite" before - first half of "graze" (there's your fall be kind comparison), "daffy duck", "safer", etc.

people just coming to this album should also listen to time skiffs which is this one's sibling (the material was written at the same time, and only ended up on two albums due to recording constraints caused by the pandemic) and a little better. it's even more like mpp/fall be kind, it's like the chiller moments from those filtered through 70s exotica

ufo, Monday, 9 October 2023 22:23 (six months ago) link

Defeat is awesome. First part is reminiscent of "bees" (my maybe favourite song from feels). Love when AnCo loses the drums and geologist gets to do his thing. You can tell they ain't kids anymore with this one

H.P, Friday, 13 October 2023 09:39 (six months ago) link

This while album is incredible, almost exactly what I wanted to hear from these guys at this point. Just an incredible run since Time Skiffs and I hope it continues.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2023 17:36 (six months ago) link

This is the first time since 2005 that this band will make it into my top ten albums list.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 19 October 2023 18:06 (six months ago) link

"defeat" has more than a little side 5 of tales from topographic oceans realness

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 October 2023 21:40 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

The mood and the melody of Deakin’s song “Stride Rite” called to mind one of my favorite Josh Ritter songs,“Myrna Loy”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0_b7wM5-mY

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 17:29 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

It's easily one of their best albums

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 17:00 (four months ago) link

Yes!

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 17:07 (four months ago) link

"defeat" has more than a little side 5 of tales from topographic oceans realness

definitely in A) the sheer amount of lyrics and B) the fact that it takes forever to get going

I like it more than any of the TFTO tracks as a whole though

hearing this live was probably one of my coolest show experiences ever - I try to not look at setlists beforehand, all I knew was they were likely gonna play some new stuff. I had no idea they were gonna play so much of it, much less a tune that was 23 minutes long. once it got to the ending bit I remember looking behind me and just seeing a sea of transfixed faces, nobody was talking or making any noise. I've never quite seen a general admission concert get like that before.

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 17:22 (four months ago) link

At the show i went to, my friend wouldn’t shut up his mouth through the whole thing. Still good though.

BringTheAuBonPain, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 21:21 (four months ago) link

I keep forgetting about this.

Bee OK, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:10 (four months ago) link

So have most publication year end lists, so you’re not alone!

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 2 December 2023 17:04 (four months ago) link

you know what I actually like the way the album ends. I think given the downtrodden nature of the album and the fact that it's starting to set in just how long these guys have been together ending on a acapella track like that is a cool idea. like one of those in the end we've all still got each other sorta vibes. "All the Clubs are Broken" is the one that really doesn't fit, I actually dig it a lot but it doesn't belong here

frogbs, Monday, 4 December 2023 05:11 (four months ago) link


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