Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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Whats everyones reasons for hating them? Particularly interested in the views of Americans.

― John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

The guy sings like a muppet.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hes a 90s sting. he's Smug. Yuppie music. Hes boring. People who like terrible bands like Counting Crows and Phish like him. The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh. Theres Sooo many. But i'll leave that to others in the thread.

― Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh.

Hey now, there's no need for slander.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

dang, you beat me to the punchline, h.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

that F*CKING charelston-type dance he does. AAAAAAHHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

and that f*cking "hike up your skirt a little more, and show your world to me" is so misogynistic, hateful, smug aaahaaajhahdsdsa;dfdsal!!!!

he needs to die, and I say this kind of thing rarely.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Which Muppet btw? If Animal was in them they would be so much better.

― Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, I forgot about his fetishization of black musicians. really, can we get a UN resolution to kill him!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

[warning: deliberate flamebait imminent]:

but without black people, he wouldn't be funky!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Any real or musical reasons to hate him? He does all sorts of music. Acoustic stuff, does good improvisational stuff, is great live, has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana. All the mebers are great musicians. And the actual songs are good.
He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good. The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

― John Mcateer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Which Muppet? Why Eddie Vedder, of course!

I don't know about this whole fetishization of black musicians thing, though.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Which Muppet btw?
You better not say Roosavelt Franklin! (That's Lenny Kravitz)

Just thinking of why I hate DMB is almost as tedious as his music. So I have no answer because I can't be bothered to think of one.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Any real or musical reasons to hate him?

Again, I hate his voice, he sounds like a muppet.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

When I used to live in C'ville he stole my table at a sushi restaurant. I was really hungry too.

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

He spawned that John Mayer and that HORRIBLE "Your Body Is a Wonderland" which really is a crime against humanity.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just the whole combination of being so very very uninteresting and yet being so widely worshipped, is the main reason.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Least we witness all the unviersity students forming bands to sound JUST like him. And they all suck too.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

"Your choice, Ms. Spears -- the Neptunes or Dave Matthews?"

"Hmmm..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Any real or musical reasons to hate him?"

Sure, plenty. The production is empty and lifeless with no surprises or innovative ideas, his vocal style is grating and cloying, I hate that "funky acoustic guitar strumming" thing he does, and on and on.

"He does all sorts of music."

This is not a virtue in and of itself.

"Acoustic stuff"

So?

"does good improvisational stuff"

No. Only if you consider hippie-jam-band technique to be "improvisational". (I do not).

"is great live"

Never seen him.

" has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana."

I don't respect a single one of those people - the endorsements are empty.

"All the mebers are great musicians."

Technically proficient /= great.

"And the actual songs are good."

Nope.

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

That's what people said about Hitler.

"The likes of Britney would love to work with him. "

And this is of importance why?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

I remember reading an interview with him once where he was talking about how much he loved oral sex and how he could survive by just drinking/eating? the fluids of women. I say eeewwwwwww? I mean oral sex is a-ok in my book but between his comments of bowel movements and just the thought of his big assclown head shoved between some poor woman's legs...shudder.

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

group named after its leader is usually bad. Dave Matthews is such a nothing name to begin with. We like to call them/him the "Dave Matthews," just as it's fun to refer to the "Medeski, Martin and Woods" or the "Sonic Youths." Or for that matter the "Ya La Tengos, they are my favorite band!"

― Edd Hurt (delta ed), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

sum-41 video to thread!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

I KNEW the fraternity system is a cult!

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

So, I'm the only person on here that really likes the Dave Matthews Band, then?

― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

No no no.. We all love him.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

right. this is all constructive criticism here, we just want him to be EVEN BETTER. or better yet, something else.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

because hippies like him and i hate hippies.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

>or better yet, something else

like dead.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Or mute.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

it's for his own good

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

and ours too.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

he sucks, huh?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

I never understood all the 'Sounds like Hootie & The Blowfish and Sting" stuff. he sounds like neither. And its not like DMB has stolen any songs off him. DMB songs dont sound like anyone elses. Especially Hootie & The Blowfish.
Crash Into me and Space Between are 2 of the best songs written in recent years. Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write(in my own personal opinion of course) I dont want to start fights. I just dont understand why he is so hated. But maybe thats because hes unknown over here in the UK. Most Americans seem to have an opinion on him.

― John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

like a vacuum.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write

John Darnielle and Momus -- please write songs like Dave Matthews.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

McAteet: even the Dave Matthews fans I know think the Space Between is awful; why do you think he eventualy released the lillywhite sessions - becuz all his fans were bitching about how awful everyday (and in particular the space between) was. Dave Matthews came from the same circuit as Hootie and has the same fans, the only difference is that Darius Rucker has a better voice than Dave Matthews and they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller. I doubt there's a single article on the Dave Matthews from 95 that doesn't paint them as the 'new' Hootie.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

...they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller.

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ping Pong's first track was about as deep as it needs to be, now just extend it seven minutes with bongos and play it at the appropriate speed for bong hits.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

...but without black people, he (Dave Matthews) wouldn't be funky!
Dave Matthews...funky.
I'm sorry, but this does not compute. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

... Get Dave Matthews to sing on it.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

hstencil - by not writing such incredible songs of course! take a cue from Axl (he pulled "Don't Cry" from Appetite to save it for the followup) and spread the love!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

seriously, the label should've put the kibosh on videos and singles much earlier; same thing happened to alanis.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

not sure that's the band's fault, esp. one as yokel-filled as Hootie. "Yes, Mr. A&R Man, anything you say!"

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just don't put the Kibosh on me!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

The-guy-who-was-fired-from-Rolling-Stone-for-dissing-Hootie to thread

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

but Horace Mann's already here!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

you think DeRogatis has the spare time to be...4th on the Users list?
Geez, am I lame.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey...where is this users list? You got me curious.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure Dave Matthews and his band are perfectly nice guys, but y'know what? Their music is fucking * B O R I N G *.....which is, as far as I'm concerned, a worse crime that sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all). Dave Gedge of the Wedding Present sounds like Muppet, and I loved them. Dave Matthews Band (and...really, couldn't he have come up with a decent name for the band at least?) are just dull, dull and thrice verily dull.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and I *REALLY* hate their fucking fans as well.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

...sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all).
Nope, hstencil is right. He has a Kermit T Frog kinda vibe going on. But then again, so does Hootie (granted, he drops his voice a couple octaves to hide his plush-felt interior.)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music.

(come on alex you're a killing joke fan)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Bland, blander, blandest.

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

"hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music."

Why not?

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

cuz it makes you an asshole

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

do you know every single dave matthews fan? are they all idiots just becuz they like that brand of music? etc etc

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Its not the band I hate,
its there fans.

(Im sorry couldnt be helped)

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

I hate the band, not the fans (I like girls who wear abercrombie & fitch).

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

There's at least one reason to like the Dave Matthews Band.

And it could be worse. You could be one of a dillion Athenians who flock to see DMCB. Yes, "David Matthews Cover Band".

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

(simon T is so gonna smack me.. again.)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

VERY aware of the Dave Matthews Cover Band (they play the same clubs Dave Matthews used to play). I used to joke about starting a Dave Matthews Cover Band Cover Band, and I'd write RUN on their flyers above DMCB. What's kinda insane is I know people who prefer the DMCB to Dave Matthews (cuz they focus on the era of Dave before he sold out, etc.)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

(when did Horace Mann = DeRo become accepted knowledge 'round here?)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

You hate the band's fans??

???

That's like, you hate me.

― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

i think that the dave matthews band has descended into midtempo bore-rock for the past few albums, but those that insist that the group always has been boring (with lifeless production, etc) have likely not actually listened (with open mind) to Before These Crowded Streets, for instance - an album with enough darkness and life to defeat such criticism. it's not a masterpiece, but it's certainly not Hootie and the Blowfish. just ask the Kronos Quartet.

― Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'll pass on asking the kronos quartet, thanks!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was just gonna post how Kronos doesn't fit my description of "enough darkness and life," but you beat me to the punch.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

"hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music."

Fair enough, Coolio, but it certainly doesn't help their cause. I just happen to find the DMB's music *DREADFULLY, PAINFULLY, UNBEARABLY DULLLLLL*. Couple that with a nation of tobacco-chewin', hackey-sack punting frat boys zealously espousing the band's dubious skills and you have a whole new reason to hate the DMB. Does this mean that I think that *EVERY*one who likes the DMB is a slack-jawed, monobrowed troglodyte? Not necessarily, but to those who are on the fence about them, I'd say this --- RAISE YOUR STANDARDS! There's more fucking interesting music out there....seek it out before you settle for less.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

i don't think you read what I wrote - instead, you just made something up that you could make fun of. the kronos quartet doesn't scream "darkness and life" to me, either - but it "certainly" isn't an authority on hootie-style altrock yawners.

― Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

I have met many Dave Matthews fans but I have never met anyone who chews tobacco AND hacky-sacks.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

uh, I did read what you wrote and yes Kronos does quite indeed seem the authority on "yawners" to me, probably even as much as Hootie.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

He sounds more like a donkey than a muppet. That is,if donkeys could sing.

― Scott Seward, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 00:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just the whole combination of being so very very uninteresting and yet being so widely worshipped, is the main reason.

Which is also why all this Dave Matthews hatred from Americans is so delightfully bizarre and hilarious for the rest of us. It's like you guys just decided to pick the most average guy on Earth to focus all your hatred on (kinda like that Gary Larson strip with the guy looking out of his window and seeing a gigantic crowd advancing towards him with signs featuring suitably vague accusations)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 00:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

For the reasons Daniel Rf referenced, I just can't hate the guy. Sure it's boring, whatever, and his best music, "Crash," had the worst lyrics. But damn, it's the fans that make everybody go rabid. They're probably the jam band I find the LEAST annoying, since they have the most attention to songcraft. Though John Mayer may steal his thunder in that department (if he can stop making that ugly face live). Both look oddly like Tom Hanks in different stages of his life.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

mediocrity is the worst crime, daniel_rf. alex nyc, hstencil, etc have pinned the tail on the donkey.

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

In the attempt to be objective (setting aside for the moment the myriad reasons I loathe DMB, and almost puked on myself when my then-girlfriend told me how much she loved "Crash Into You") is that DMB sort of catalyzes a cultural opposition that's deeply intrenched in North American culture: the jocks vs the geeks. Geeks (eg, music critics) have never gotten along well with jocks, by and large. And in the US, DMB is jock music, played on mainstream university campuses, worshipped in the jam-band festival circuit, etc. I think some of the geek-side antipathy towards DMB has a lot to do with what DMB is perceived as representing: white mainstream America, self-satisfaction (not that we geeks don't have that too), Republicanism, white baseball caps, fraternities, pre-law types and MBAs who like to let their hair down and rock out to bland, corporate rock. Now, I'm not saying that all of these are valid points, but I think they're all tendencies behind the loathing.

Personally, in my most unbiased terms, I dislike DMB because I find the music totally uninspired. I come to loathe them because of the godawful portentousness with which they portray themselves, and with which DMB's most rabid fans have adopted his music as the soundtrack to a generation. Everyone wants meaning and depth in our paltry little lives, but jeez, can't you find something with a little quality to represent that?

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

defently time for three cans of whatever hurts me.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Damn well said, Philip!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 03:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

hate other bands please

― artiste, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 04:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

He spawned that John Mayer and that HORRIBLE "Your Body Is a Wonderland" which really is a crime against humanity.

I just call the whole genre "fratboy easy-listening."

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 04:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated"

Because they are the American Coldplay. And as I mentioned on some other thread, because Dave Matthews sings like Adam Sandler!!

― Alan N (Alan N), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

He sounds more like a donkey than a muppet. That is,if donkeys could sing.

This is the greatest post ever.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

I just heard "So Much To Say" on the radio the other day and I was really surprised by how much I liked it! I think DMB has like 3 songs I really like, 10 songs I really hate, and a hundred songs that I'm like "eh, whatever, I'd rather be listening to something else" to.

― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 February 2003 06:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

dave matthews seems to be a decent chappie, but i hate both his music and his fans. i wear abercrombie and fitch clothes, and work in a profession full of dave matthews (why does such bland pap appeal so strongly to lawyers?)

― Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

dave matthews fans, i meant. i don't even want to imagine what a band full of yer typical lawyers would sound like -- it would probably make dave matthews sound like captain beefheart in comparison.

― Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

i will say this much about dave matthews -- if given a choice between:

a. dave matthews
b. creed
c. pearl jam
d. sigur ros
e. any nu-metal band*, take yer pick (*Deftones and Tool excepted)

then a- (dave matthews) will always be the correct choice. though that's not saying much.

― Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'd probably rank 'em

1- pearl jam
2- sigur ros
3 - any nu-metal band (maybe switch 2 and 3)
4 - dave matthews
5 - creed

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

I almost agree with J. Blount.
Except I'd (with great nausea) swap 3 and 4. I'd rather be mildly bored than actively irritated.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 13:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews Speaks Out Against War

"
Dave Matthews Speaks Out About the War
I hope this letter finds you all well and that in these uncertain times you find moments to be joyful.

I want to speak my mind about this war with Iraq, or I will choke on my conscience.

What is the motivation? Regime change? Shouldn't that be up to the people of the region and the people of Iraq? The only real threat from Saddam Hussein is to his neighbors and none of them support a U.S. invasion. Is it to stabilize the Middle-East? Wouldn't it only do the opposite by causing further death and suffering in a country that has had more than its share?

Is it to weaken Al Qaeda? Saddam Hussein is a genocidal maniac but he is not Al Qaeda. He is certainly more visible though. Is he our target because he is easier to identify than the illusive terrorist network? Surely it is more likely that an attack on Iraq would only strengthen Al Qaeda by feeding Anti-American sentiment. Putting out the fire with gasoline, so to speak. It is certainly not to liberate the people of Iraq who suffer under Hussein's rule, unless we call killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis liberation.

Saddam Hussein is a barbaric murderous dictator. I wish the world were free of him. But the answer is not to bomb this great culture of Iraq out of existence to stop him. Why must the children of Iraq die by the thousands to stop a tyrant? It is not justice. And if we kill him what will we achieve? We will have taken the most unpopular leader in the Middle East and turned him into the greatest martyr radical Islam has ever had. The U.N. weapons inspectors must be allowed to do their job thoroughly and any military action should be internationally agreed upon. We must not allow our government to turn us into a rogue nation.

I fear that our true motivation is about oil and our own flailing economy; about the failure to destroy Al Qaeda and about revenge. It is criminal to put our servicemen and women in harm's way and to put the lives of so many civilians on the line for the misguided frustrations of the Bush administration.

Bottom line: this war is wrong and this war is un-American.

Peacefully submitted,
Dave Matthews"

― Tony benn, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

I have never heard any DMB.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

nobody has in britain. i thought it was that other guy in home improvement

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Having that fellow walk around C-Ville and hug people in the video for "Everyday." When I used to live down that away he was always jaywalking. No joke. Urrrrrr.....

― j breitling (BlastsofStatic), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

I found the fact that Americans seem to hate DMB so much bewildering. It didnt happen as bad to despicable acts like Alannis,Hootie, Shania Twain, Meredith Brooks, Matchbox 20, Counting Crows, Train, Lifehouse etc
Until i realised its the same as hating Travis/Ocean Colour Scene/Stereophonics. Its because the bands and fans think DMB is "Real Rock For real people" exactly like the uk counterparts.
Hatred of Travis/Ocean Colour Scene/Stereophonics must bewilder non brits.
Can we all understand now?

ps. Who is worse? Dave Matthews Band, Hootie, Shania Twain, Meredith Brooks, Travis,Ocean Colour Scene,Stereophonics, Alannis etc?

― Julie Cosgrove, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

nobody has in britain. i thought it was that other guy in home improvement
Would you Brits like to? We'll be happy to trade Dave for...oh..I dunno...$20?
Who is worse? Dave Matthews Band, Hootie, Shania Twain, Meredith Brooks, Travis,Ocean Colour Scene,Stereophonics, Alannis etc?
DMB - Ick.
Hootie - Like these are two seperate bands.
Meredith Brooks - Better than Shania. Still somewhat obscure to a yank audience.
Travis/Ocean Colour Scene/Stereophonics - Never heard them here (apparently this is for the best.)
Alanis - I have no greivance against her. I *liked* her first record.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't think I've heard an entire DMB song but this thread makes me want to love them.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

I respect his letter -- and I'm completely in agreement with him. Like Dave says, I'm not saying Saddam doesn't deserve to be force-fed his own severed scrotum while we shove a bayonette up his ass, but we're going about it in an entirely ass-backwards manner -- completely torching allied relations left and right and further alienating the increasingly volatile "Arab Street" in the process. I don't really buy the notion that Iraq had anything to do with the attacks of September 11, 2001. And in the year and change since that fateful day -- what have we really accomplished? Yes, we've kicked a lot of butt in Afghanistan and dropped a lot of expensive hardware on people -- but the threats we faced on September 10th remain unchanged -- we *DON'T* have Bin Laden, we *HAVEN'T* dismantled Al Qaeda, we have *NO IDEA* where he/they are and we face *THE SAME* threats as before. Right, so we rooted him out of Afghanistan (we think) and we scattered the Taliban like roaches (we think).....what else? NOTHING. If we go into Iraq -- OSAMA WINS! He *WANTS* us to go to war with Iraq. It plays RIGHT into his hands. It will only STRENGTHEN his support in the Arab world -- At this point, he's like fuckin' William "Braveheart" Wallace to the average man west of Athens and south of Gibraltar -- He wants to portray the image that THE WEST is at war with ISLAM. If we go into Iraq, that's exactly the way it's going to look. And if his groundswell of support builds (which it will), that's exactly the way it's going to be. And that's severely fucked up.

But....at the end of the day, DMB's music still bores me to absolute tears.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

I wish Dave Matthews would address why nobody gave a shit when the US went roaring into Bosnia as "peacekeepers" without the UN's consent or blessing. Dave's letter strikes me as politically convenient--he certainly wasn't protesting or passing letters around when Clinton was bombing aspirin factories and killing innocent Iraqi civillians. Like most celebrity mouthpieces, he only feels the urge to take a "stand" when his guy doesn't occupy the White House.

Dave's voice is something only Alanis' mother could love.

― don weiner, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 15:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

songcraft

NOOOOOOOO, Anthony! ARGH! Don't say it! I'm melting, melting!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 16:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hatred of Travis/Ocean Colour Scene/Stereophonics must bewilder non brits.

Come to think of it, it does. Travis and the Stereophonics both have at least one song I really like, and they're really not that different from the DMB...

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 16:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hatred of Travis/Ocean Colour Scene/Stereophonics must bewilder non brits.

I understand the hatred perfectly, its the same reason we hate DMB.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 16:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

In fact, I hate them a lot more. Definitely smugger than DMB.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 17:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't think I've heard an entire DMB song but this thread makes me want to love them.

I know CanCon requirements explain a lot, but how can you not have heard them from car radios or commercials or other involuntary exposure?

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 17:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

Living in a French province probably made it easier.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

can anyone recommend anything by the DMB ?

― kevin brady (groeuvre), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

I only heard him on the radio for a LOOOONG time before I knew who it was. I had heard the tern "Dave Matthews Band" but had no clue and wasn't that interested for some reason. When I found out that all the hubbub was about this guy who made these songs I heard on the radio, I was shocked.

I feel my opinion of his music is fairly sincere because I was literally unaware of who he was or what he looked like. I had heard his name in relation to Phish, so I assumed his music probably wasn't even on the radio.

His music always felt icky, like bad generic white guy music from the late 80s somehow mixed with Seal to make for an uncomfortable, displaced feeling of nostalgia and slow-motion blah.

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

Recommended DMB songs:

The verses of "The Space Between Us" (the chorus sucks ass)
The "I am no Superman" song
The "drink too much" song

Everything else is completely worthless and unnecessary.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

So this is what the world has come to? A hatred for probably the most talented band out there? Why? How could anyone deny the pure talent and ability of the DMB? Carter Beauford is the best commercialized drummer out there, Dave Matthews is genious in his ability to conjure unconventional rythms on guitar while singing legato over them, there's really nothing like it. Leroi, boyd, and Stefan are all incredible musicians that are perfect in creating an awesome eclectic sound with Dave and Carter.

Musicians know what I'm talking about. Sure, there are a million idiot teenage girls and shallow jocks who like Dave cause he sings love-type songs and the Space Between, but you've got to look past the stereotypes to see the real substance in their music.

I can't stand it when people say they don't like them because "crash into me talks about looking up girls skirts" when in reality it was put there because Dave improved it once and everyone laughed and it just kind of stuck, what's the big deal? It's nothing compared to any rap, rock, or hip hop group out there.

Dave matthews has an awesome voice, it's different, it's for people who like different things every now and then, don't you people ever get tired of all the singers that sound like either Britney Spears or Scott Stapp? Nobody sounds like Dave, that's why so many people love him.

Dave Matthews Band started out about 13 years, jamming in a bar. They grew so fast because of their awesome live shows and word-of-mouth. Dave is now obviously a millionaire, but he always states how much they owes every bit of their success to their fans. They release an album, whether it be live or a studio recording, every year, for their fans, they tour everywhere all the time for their fans, Dave dances, and the band's still together for their fans.

The DMB is the best band on earth right now, they're very, very talented, and they love their work and their fans. How could you deny the greatness of such a group of people?

― naga_pampa, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

His music puts me to sleep, that's why.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

Musicians know what I'm talking about.

I'm a professional singer and I think that DMB doesn't just the big hairy nutsack, they chew and gnaw at it until it tears, causing the testes to spill out in a heaping pile of epididymis and seminal vesicles.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't believe you mentioned joining Carcass as a lyricist, Dan.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

I am a man of hidden talents.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

the proper response to naga_pampa is probably akin is to jess's quip in his piece on Our Band Could Be Your Life that when someone says something HAS to be IMPORTANT, it usually isn't.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm talking about instrumental musicians, you sick freak

― naga_pampa, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Carter Beauford is the best commercialized drummer out there"
Bring it OOOONNNNNN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― kevin brady (groeuvre), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

"the most talented band out there", "the pure talent and ability of the DMB", "the best commercialized drummer out there", "Dave Matthews is genious [sic]", "all incredible musicians that are perfect in creating an awesome eclectic sound" , "Dave matthews has an awesome voice" , "their awesome live shows" , "The DMB is the best band on earth right now, they're very, very talented"

jesus christ, what are you, their publicist? You sound positively zealous in your DMB fundamentalism. Here's a suggestion -- sweeping superlatives and purple prose will *NEVER* convince anyone of anything nor *EVER* win you an argument.

"Nobody sounds like Dave"

Hmm...well, John Mayer certainly does....and he's boring as fuck too!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

I am not denying that DMB doesn't have skill at writing songs, but those songs would be about 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times better if a different band was performing them, or at least if they had a decent singer.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

Encouraging Jon Mayer is UNFORGIVABLE.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

hahahahhahahahaa, you guys are hilarious, John MAyer doesn't sound like him at all.

― naga_pampa, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

So, how exactly is the weather......up your own ass?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

I wish their were some real musicians in here so they'd know what I was talking about, by the way, the weather's fine how 'bout you, Alex?

― naga_pampa, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

In what universe are singers not real musicians?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

Are you an instrumentalist, naga? What do you play? What type of singers do you work with?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

...and how old are you?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm an 18 year old that plays guitar, bass, piano, baritone, trumpet, tenor and alto sax. I work mainly with jazz singers, and you?

― naga_pampa, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

"don't you people ever get tired of all the singers that sound like either Britney Spears or Scott Stapp?"

This is funny for more reasons than I can count.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm a 30-year-old classical singer who is a member of a professional church choir, sings with the BSO choir and solos as part of a sacred music ensemble. I have played piano and tenor sax in the past but haven't kept up with either of them. I also write dance music and write and arrange a capella choral music.

Do the jazz singers you work with know that you don't consider them to be musicians?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

I meant instrumental, and they all play instruments anyway, so they know I consider them to be musicians

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

how many times do we have to go over this technical proficiency /= "good" music thing?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

WHIP OUT YR DICKS, DUDEZ!

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

I will bet you MONEY that if I polled the orchestra players I know, the vast majority of them would HATE DMB for being puerile.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

(God I am too old to be playing this game. Apologies to everyone.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

what type of fucking jazz "musician" calls the dave matthews band the most talented band out there? are you gonna tell me they're more talented than phish never mind nearly every other band out there? are they more talented than the vandermark five jazzbo?

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alright, I didn't mean to put the "most" talented, but they're high on my list

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

B-b-but their violin player studied at Juilliard!

(NOTE: I have often felt bad for the violin player, partly because I felt like he was wasting his talent by playing with DMB but mostly because he looks like the Predator.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

"I'm an 18 year old that.."

Ah, that explains it then.

Listen, your tiresome insistence that "real musicians know what" you're talking about it is a moot point. Musicians don't make music solely for other musicians. Boring music is boring music, whether your Philip Glass or Kato Kaelin. Technical proficiency on your instrument of choice is no guarantee of substantive *STYLE* (waaaay more important than skill). Sure, maybe you can play scales on your oboe using only your pinky,.....but that doesn't mean anyone really wants to listen to it. Technical proficiency merely makes you a musical 'craftsman,' STYLE makes you an artist....and even then, not necessarily a great one. DMB has style -- I'll admit it -- but they're still dead boring.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Bela Fleck and the Flecktones are more talented, as well as numerous jazz combos, I guess I meant most talented band you'd see on TV. I also think PHISH might be better, but they're just a different band, it's hard for me to say, oh and thank you Alex, for saying they are "craftsmen" that's pretty much what I was trying to say.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

you're not saying bela fleck's jazz are you?

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

also, you realize glen ballard cowrote (uncredited) most of the songs and played most of the instruments on everday right? just like with jagged little pill?

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm a musician, and there are plenty of people out there like me who love th DMB. I like listenin to a lot of music that other eople don't like because I look for talent and style ("craftmanship") more than anything. To some it's boring, to me it's awesome.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

"oh and thank you Alex, for saying they are 'craftsmen' that's pretty much what I was trying to say."

Well, no charge, but it seems to me that using terms like "most talented," "best commercialized", "genious [sic]", "incredible", "perfect", "awesome", "eclectic" and, of course "best band on earth right now" sort've overstates it. Calling the Dave Matthews Band "crafstmen" is by no means a compliment.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sting's a craftsman!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

Style doesn't equal craftsmanshp at all. Look at, say, Andy Gill of Gang of Four. The man probably couldn't play a proper scale if you put a gun to his head, but he has more **STYLE** than a quadrillion seasoned sessioneers altogether.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Bela flek and THE FLECKTONES is a whole lot of jazz mixed with bluegrass and a lot of different things. Bela Fleck himself is mostly bluegrass and country-type music. And yes Glen Ballard did a lot of the Everyday stuff, but the music was performed by the the DMB, (he just wrote a lot of the songs) Most dmb fans, and I, dislike that album.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't see what's so amazing about his music that is very different from anything else. I'd rate Old 97s and Wilco about 3x as good as far as musicianship goes (closest bands I could think of in that same sort of genre).
I hate Dave Matthew's voice and his lyrics suck, too.

I am no Superman for you, but I do know one thing, where you are is where I wanna be.

How many times does he repeat that in the fuckin' song? It's practically the whole song. I guess he thought that was really brilliant, huh?

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

I admit, I did sopme over stating, but I haven't seen a more talented band on T.V. than the DMB in a long time. They're all qualified musicians on a number of levels, you can't take that away from them.
You guys got to listen to more of their stuff before ripping on one bad song they wrote.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

Taken from http://www.dmbcommunity.com/forums//showthread.php?s=&postid=43444#post43444

Re: www.ilxor.com hate DMB
I just happen to find the DMB's music *DREADFULLY, PAINFULLY, UNBEARABLY DULLLLLL*. Couple that with a nation of tobacco-chewin', hackey-sack punting frat boys zealously espousing the band's dubious skills and you have a whole new reason to hate the DMB. Does this mean that I think that *EVERY*one who likes the DMB is a ...slack-jawed, monobrowed troglodyte? Not necessarily, but to those who are on the fence about them, I'd say this --- RAISE YOUR STANDARDS! There's more ****ing interesting music out there....seek it out before you settle for less.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), February 11th, 2003

The least this guy could do is get the Simpsons quote RIGHT if he's going to steal it...gotta love a guy who can't even plagiarize properly...

__________________
Driven to Distraction....

Last edited by diana_m41 on February-12th-2003 at 07:52 PM

― Ben Jones, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

Interesting note about this "live band":

DMB + "U" = DUMB.

By themselves, in a vacuum, they are incomplete. But with an audience to listen, they've unleashed a whole lot of dumb.

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

"but I haven't seen a more talented band on T.V. than the DMB in a long time."

Why are you looking to the T.V. to find decent music?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

"The least this guy could do is get the Simpsons quote RIGHT if he's going to steal it"

Say what? I wasn't trying to quote "the Simpsons" at all!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Also Dave Matthwews Fan - Naga Pampa comes from here
http://www.canehdian.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=99&t=000076

god bless google.
Are we gonna get an invasion of Dave Matthews Freaks & zealots now?

― Ben Jones, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alex in NYC is dead on.

DMB may be loads and loads of fun to play; i don't know either way personally, as i've never had any desire to try. but just because something is fun (and maybe even challenging) to play doesn't necessarily mean it's fun to listen to.

Yngwie flippin' Malmsteen to thread NOW. >P

(and i hate Dave's voice. but that's beside the point.)

― janni (janni), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

You look for talent and style, yet you've ended up on the DMB bandwagon.

I strongly suggest checking out the following:

Christine Goerke (particularly on the National Symphony recording of Britten's "War Requiem")
Chanticleer
Tool
Depeche Mode
Van Halen
Rush
Medeski, Martin and Wood
The Grassy Knoll
Mr. Bungle
Norah Jones
Jill Scott
Angie Stone
Ian Bostridge
Stevie Wonder
Daniel Bedingfield

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

jesus christ, some geeks see simpsons quotes everywhere

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Style doesn't equal craftsmanship at all. Look at, say, Andy Gill of Gang of Four. The man probably couldn't play a proper scale if you put a gun to his head, but he has more **STYLE** than a quadrillion seasoned sessioneers altogether."

Actually, there are plenty of examples in Andy's playing where he pulls off a little licks here and there...the guy knew what he was doing for sure. Just because he played a loud, abrasive, solid state amp, doesn't make him a bad player with good "style." He had both.

― Party 44, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

d. boon then

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alright, fair enough, Party44. Maybe Gill's a bad example (he is, after all, a successful producer now, so he's probaly a bit more proficient). How about someone lower down the food chain like.....say...... Jon Spencer? Ron Asheton? Johnny Ramone? Greg Ginn?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Also from http://www.dmbcommunity.com/forums//showthread.php?s=&postid=43444#post43444

I can't beleive the amount of morons on that board. I did a search on it and i found that many of them like 'Indie/Alternative' bands that can barely play their instruments, AND WORST OF ALL, They like commercialised Top 40 Music like Britney & Justin Timberlake!!! HAHAHA
Come on people, lets take on these morons!!!!

Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

How Can ANYONE Rip Dave Matthews then admit to liking manufactured chart pop? We win this argument so easy it hurts.
I cant believe how many nerds are on that board. I saw Guided By Voices once and they were so drunk they could barely play their 2 chord songs. Thats the so called 'Alternative' music Nerds worship.
And as for Britney and Justin....... sheesh.

― Ben Jones, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

whatta wimp!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

How Can ANYONE Rip Dave Matthews then admit to liking manufactured chart pop?

Hasn't DMB been just as successful as the "manufactured chart pop" only with a different demographic? What, does having a violinist in your group exempt you from getting called a pop band?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Alright, fair enough, Party44. Maybe Gill's a bad example (he is, after all, a successful producer now, so he's probably a bit more proficient). How about someone lower down the food chain like.....say...... Jon Spencer? Ron Asheton? Johnny Ramone? Greg Ginn?"

Oh Totally, I get your point, and I wasn't trying to argue with you, it's just that I kinda thought the same thing once, but have realized just how good the man was with his instrument.

I am of the school of thought that style AND craftsmanship or skills make a good player. Seriously, very few people are moved by someone like Yngwie Malmsteen or as well by somebody like Jandek. To me it's the combination of physical skills and mental substance that makes someone "good" at an instrument, a totally subjective thing regardless.

― Party 44, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

So, is this what is was like when The Gathering invaded way back when?
( Killing Joke - Classic Or Dud, Search And Destroy )

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

"How about someone lower down the food chain like.....say...... Jon Spencer? Ron Asheton? Johnny Ramone? Greg Ginn? "

D. Boon and Greg Ginn are both pretty skilled guitar players - I'd say the best counter-example would be Billy Childish.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ha Alex, I was going to give you shit about that!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey, just cause I like DMB doesn't mean I don't like TOOL, Van Halen, Rush , Norah Jones, and Stevie Wonder. People who have like dmb for more than 3 years are the least closed minded people in the world in the subject of music. And yes, DMB is very eclectic with sound of Bluegrass and jazz. And what makes people think it's exclusively for white -middle class? 3 of it's 5 members are black.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

and 3 of it's 5 million fans are black, guh-dunk guh-dunk dunk

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

Guilty as charged.

" I dare say that without Killing Joke, most of your precious "heavy sounding" bands wouldn't even exist. Killing Joke have indulged in a myriad of different musical styles and sounds well beyond the monochromatic 'heavy', yet when they choose to go that route, there is no one mightier. To judge Killing Joke by one or two tracks is an excercise in blind-sighted stupidity. Do your homework before submitting an opinion! Moreover, if you're put off by the conceptual/lyrical content of Killing Joke, why not toddle home and slap on a Pixies or Cheap Trick album and celebrate the meaningless and banal. At least Killing Joke have something to say. You may not like it, agree with it...or even understand it....but at least there something of substance there. Killing Joke credit their audience with higher standards and a modicum of intelligence. Try getting that from Korn."

I'd like to think I've mellowed a bit since then.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

what board are you guys talking about anyway?

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

Avast, maties! Lower the mains and heave to. These scurvy jam-band-loving sea dogs will not take us alive!

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

just throw some soap and water their way, that should scare 'em off

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Naga,...back in 2001, someone started a thread much like this one decrying MY favorite band (Killing Joke, if you hadn't guessed) and a simillar phenomenon happened. My little rant at you about using sweeping superlatives makes me look like quite a bit of a hypocrite (especially when you read the passage of mine I just cited from way back when). So, y'know, whatever. Like who you like. Who cares what other people say?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

My point wasn't so much that you don't already like the artists I listed as much as it was I think that they do the "skilled craftman" thing you're attributing to DMB much better.

Your argument about people who've like DMB being the most open-minded about music is completely false in my experience, as the people I know who knew them when they were a jam band playing colleges in upstate New York tend to stick exclusively with the Shawn Colvin/Meredith Brooks/DMB/Hootie and the Blowfish/Sting axis of music and consider U2 to be the outer limits of acceptability. Your argument about them not being exclusively for white middle-class is accurate; they're aimed at black middle-class, too (although few would admit to listening to them, particularly when faced by the nu-soul/back-to-hip-hop mafia).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

is the nu-soul mafia anything like the gay mafia?

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Right on, Alex, thank you.
The only reason I came here is cause I saw a post on a dmb board that said their were a million people ripping on Dave, and we need some people backing him up." Well it's a lot of fun, but I don't think I'm getting anywhere.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yes, only instead of being gay they all have fucked-up hair and smell like patchouli. (OH NO BLACK HIPPIES!)

Alex does have a valid point; one reason why people may be coming down harder on naga than he/she actually deserves is because his initial post reads as Yet Another Fanboy Attack and people tend to want to jump up and down on posts like that until they squeal. (Well, I do anyway.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

(To put it another way, a good portion of the DMB-ripping is hyperbole for comedic effect, so don't take it so personally. Obviously I do not want to see Dave Matthews gnawing holes in scrotums, because EW.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess I just like arguing with people. It's pretty hilarious sometimes

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

Then you fit in here better than you know!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

Maybe I'll stick around

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Welcome to ILM, Naga. You're welcome to post anytime. Most people here have different tastes and opinions on music. Hell i even saw Rush fans on here once.
Fighting in here is fun and hilarious. Thats why everyone comes here.

― Ben Jones, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

What?, Are you ripping on Rush, you asshole. I wish I could find out where you lived and beat your ass in.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

hehe, this is fun

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hell i even saw Rush fans on here once.

You've just spotted another.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

What kind of bands does everyone here like, anyway?

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

Why isn't this board just a chat room? This just takes longer to post a message, which is usually really short anyway

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

My next band will be called the New Soul Mafia.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's hard for people on this board to agree on what they like or dislike. Try these threads for starters:

Bands that EVERYONE likes

Bands that EVERYONE hates

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Chatrooms generally aren't archived and dug up years later for more discussion.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

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Heya Naga. Me, I lurv Rush, the new album's great. I also think Dave Matthews Band are a blight upon the world, but I would. ;-) Favorite band is My Bloody Valentine -- check them out sometime. Welcome to us. Alex stuck around, you should too.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

thoss two threads: BANDS EVERYONE LOVES, BANDS EVERYONE HATES, sounds to me like a waste of time on this site, I don't think any 3 people here could agree on any one thing to save there lives.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

That was kind of the point: to see if despite the odds, there was one band everyone could agree on. I think it remains unresolved, although I seem to remember that we never found an XTC hater on the board.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yea, XTC is pretty great. All the jam rock kids and I bond over them.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

BEST THREDD IN THE WORLD!

thanks everyone. i can't say anythingabout DMB that hasn't already been said. well, i can try "shiny-chinned smuggorama overload" but that's not really helpful.

the travis/stereophonics/ocs = dmb/hootie/cunting crows is spot-on, well done. can we all go home now?

― Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

the only artist we even came close to agreeing on as great was James Brown.

What that says about "our" collective tastes, I'm not entirely sure...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

Actually, I honestly would really like to like DMB, they're talented (I got a Vic Wooten/Carter Beauford DVD that is, like, WOW), their songs generally don't offend me or piss me off, they fight the good fight in that they're very distinct and completely not something that should have mainstream appeal yet it does, I've even seen them in concert a few times, but DANGIT WHY DON'T I FIND ANYTHING I ACTUALLY LIKE ABOUT IT!?!

Oh well. *sigh*

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm just average, common too
I'm just like him, the same as you
I'm everybody's brother and son
I ain't different from anyone
It ain't no use a-talking to me
It's just the same as talking to you.

- "I Shall Be Free No. 10", B. Dylan

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

right on man, I think we should just leave it at that.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

We had all uniformly agreed on Dave Matthews Band as being the most hated until you appeared haha. Guess no-one else is gonna stick up for them though.
One thing. no-one ever agrees on anything here. Especially between the 'rock' fans and 'Pop' fans.

― Ben Jones, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'll stick up for DMB. Alex in NY, check this week's TV Guide for the incomplete Simpsons quote you paraphrased. RE: DMB, I find their music interesting; they are one of the few bands out there to incorporate violins, saxophones, and flutes into their music. Their music defies classification, so, if for no other reason, they are worthwhile for stretching the boundaries of music genres. You really can't fence them into any type of music - sometimes they sound like bluegrass, sometimes they sound like country, sometimes they sound like rock.

Secondly, I think the lyrics are stirring and evocative; they make me feel the emotion that the song is trying to convey. I also think that Dave Matthews is a very honest songwriter - he really seems to feel what he is writing. As to the lyrics being misogynistic, I don't see any evidence.

RE: the fans - I am not an attorney nor am I an accountant; I am not in college presently, and I have never been inside a frat house (personal choice). I also bathe daily, brush my hair, and find patchouli nauseating. I have never been nor will I ever be a hippie.

Enough said on my part.

― DianaM41, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

" Their music defies classification, so, if for no other reason, they are worthwhile for stretching the boundaries of music genres."
y'wot? Are you serious?
What other music do you think does this?
I can assure you many more bands streth the boundaries of music genres.
Saxophone,Flutes, Guitars, Violins? Try Funkadelic, Godspeed You Black Emperor, (even Jethro Tull), King Crimson, Miles Davis, Spiritualized. And im deliberately trying to not be obscure here. Theres many more lesser known bands, who all push boundaries back way further than DMB.

― Winker Watson, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB > G!YBE

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Definitely the case when it comes political statements that are at least coherent and easy to read.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

What do DMB fans think about Nirvana (and grunge/indie rock in general)?
I always see them as preferring pearl jam as theyre better musicians and how much they hate Nirvana. Thats what theyre like in my personal experience.
And most think Alternative means Creed/DMB/REM.
But hey i'm aware it is a gross generalisation based on 5 people i know.

― Winker Watson, Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Any real or musical reasons to hate him? He does all sorts of music."

... all of them mediocre at best.

Why do people hate him? EZ: He sucks.

Who do so many peole like him: EZ2: He sucks.

― suleiman, Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

" Alex in NY, check this week's TV Guide for the incomplete Simpsons quote you paraphrased"

I swear to the deity of your choice, I was *NOT* quoting "the Simpsons"! I haven't even watched "the Simpsons" since about 1996. Get over it!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

stop quoting the Eagles Alex!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB fans do not like all of the same things. If 5 people who like Dave, don't like grunge/indie rock. It doesn't mean we all hate Nirvana. I personally like Nirvana, they had a unique tortured soul that was awesome to listen to.
Diana wasn't saying that the DMB is better than any of those bands you listed, Winker. She said they were worth while because they could mix genres, which is true.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB never really seemed like my thing, but I don't think I've ever heard anything by them except some song that was on MTV a few years ago that was about ants marching(?) or something like that. If I were to download (sorry, I'm a cheapskate) one DMB song that would reveal to me their glory, where should I start, naga_pampa?

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

try to find a live ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER, JIMI THING, BARTENDER, DON'T DRINK THE WATER, the last two are good for lyric content, the first two are good for the jam. PLEASE listen to the whole song, and not just the first two minutes. If you don't like these songs, they're probably not for you.

― naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alright, thanks for the recommendations. I'll see what I can find.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

dmb IS frat rawk.
it's the sndtrk to date rapes and beer bongs.
it's the horrible sound of pseudo hippies (see phish,bella fleck).
it's the stuff that makes me appreciate 20 minutes of feedback.
not for what it is, but for what it's not...
dmb makes me think that people deserve what happens to them.

― edde, Thursday, 13 February 2003 04:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

Christ you people are punks.

DMB and Mayer are rilly nothing alike aside from the "guy with guitar" thing and even that's pushing it given DMB's lush orchestration and Mayer's uh... lack of that.

DMB's earlier stuff rilly was quite unique sounding but ultimately it frustrated me coz every single was "unique" the same way and Crash was as pleasant a song to idle a summer away to as any Belle and Sebastian and most importantly I would FAR prefer DMB to Wilco, GY!BE, Sigur Ros, or any other "dreamy" semi-popular hip alterna-dross out there.

Not that I listen to any really, but.. I mean haven't we gotten over hating a band for its audience? Tho i suspect that the real root of the hate is that fratboy whatever types listen to DMB and feel "deep" and the gulf between the claim of "deep" and the not really that deep followthru or between "musically inventive" and the okay-not-really-that-inventive followthru is what puts foax off -- "Oh my god! People are looking for MUSICAL INNOVATION and getting THIS instead!" when in fact people are looking for something like DMB and getting precisely that.

I mean, fratboys put on Roxy to feel "sexy" -- does that make Roxy Music bad?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 06:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB play false metal.

― Alan N (Alan N), Thursday, 13 February 2003 06:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

I mean, fratboys put on Roxy to feel "sexy" -- does that make Roxy Music bad?

Nope. DMB still eats, though. Rather than saying they're better than Godspeed/Sigur etc., I'd prefer to equate them. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 07:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Both put me to sleep. But DMB make me feel happy instead of alienated or paranoid as I drift off.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 07:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ned, you anger my ferret! How can one push the Windy and Carl and not the G!Y!B!E! or Itchy Woooo? How HOWWWW!?!?

To that freaking hippie, can you not see Dave Mathews Band suck my farty wind?!?! How can you not feel the vibe!!?!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 13 February 2003 07:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

dmb IS frat rawk.

The Rhino Frat Rock box set is much better than any DMB I've ever heard.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 13 February 2003 12:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

I managed to dig up one of those songs you recommended, naga_pampa, it's "Bartender" from something called the "Lillywhite Sessions" (apparently this is kind of a revered studio bootleg in DMB circles). I know that listening to one song hardly makes me a DMB expert, but without further ado, my $0.02:

What I liked about the song: Well, first of all, these guys are a real band - ie., they can play their instruments, they get a groove going, they are tasteful. The song had a nice loose-limbed, live feeling despite being a studio recording. Unlike a lot of the studio confections on the rock charts, it doesn't have that grisly Dr. Frankenstein after-taste of being patched together in Pro Tools and then zapped into life. (Not to say that there isn't a place for studio confectionery, but it's refreshing to hear alternatives to it.) No doubt these guys can also play their songs well in a live setting, which is a definite plus if you like live music (which I do).

What I didn't like: I mentioned being tasteful as a good thing in the previous paragraph, and to a certain extent it is, but it can also be a bad thing, I think, when it shows that the band is reluctant to take chances. My favorite type of music to see in a live setting is jazz, and there are some similarities between this music and certain types of jazz: the celebration of musicianship, the emphasis on rhythm, soloing over a repeated chord progression. However, none of the solos I heard (and again this is only based on one song, so take this with a grain of salt) really excited me. The soloists seemed reluctant to stretch out and take center stage, so to speak. As a result, the music ended up seeming kind of faceless. You don't hear the individual personalities of the musicians coming through. Perhaps this is an intentional decision to give the group jam priority over the individual expression, but if you're not going to have interesting solos, what exactly is the purpose of repeating a fairly uninteresting chord progression so many times? I think the answer is probably is that this is a form of dance music - because this is a structure that you often find in dance music. The purpose of the long repetitive passages is to give people the opportunity to dance. Which is fine, I guess, if you like to dance, but it can get a bit dull when listening just for the sake of listening. Anyway, that's my take on the music. As for the singing, well, I must admit that Dave Matthew's singing style is a bit mannered for my taste. He is a member of the Eddie Vedder school of masculine emoting through tasteful bellows and groans, except that he occasionally throws in a yodel, which is just odd. The lyrics also do little for me. The central conceit of this song is that he is asking a bartender for the drink of the wine that brought Jesus back to life. There's one nagging flaw with this conceit: namely that nowhere in the legend of Jesus is anything mentioned about any drinks of wine bringing him back to life. So the symbolism doesn't really go anywhere.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ned, you anger my ferret! How can one push the Windy and Carl and not the G!Y!B!E! or Itchy Woooo? How HOWWWW!?!

Because the first rules and the others do not. Or rather, the first puts me to gentle sleep with a smile on my face, the second puts me to sleep, period, and the third makes me think, "Can't I just listen to some In the Nursery instead?"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

"DMB and Mayer are rilly nothing alike aside from the "guy with guitar" thing"

Wrong. LISTEN TO MAYER'S VOCALS!!!!! It has nothing to do with the guitar.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Mayer does the fey open vocal thing but DMB bends it and stretches it and puts it to odd cadences. I mean the fey open vocal thing is just this common male singer-songwriter voice, which like Duncan Sheik and David Grey and they all use.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

they both got the berklee connection goin on and it shows

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's the shoes, it's gotta be the shoes.

― Carey (Carey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews is the Bud Light of music.

― david day (winslow), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

im glad you all dont like dmb. have fun at your creed shows!

― katie41414442222, Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Creed? isnt that where DMB fans hang out now? haha

― jason pole, Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

im glad you all dont like dmb. have fun at your creed shows!

-- katie41414442222

Clearly not someone who regularly reads ILM.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

People like Katie make me nostalgic for when I was 13.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

I had no idea there was such animosity between Creed fans and DMB fans!

Divide and conquer...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 14 February 2003 00:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can't really see a difference between Creed fans and DMB fans, personally.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

well, I bet neither camp could tell the difference between a Sigur Ros and a G!YBE fan either...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 14 February 2003 00:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

One group is all sullen and angsty while the other group moons around shouting "Itchy-WOO!"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

I do not moon, I float.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Not to beat a dead horse, but those acoustic guitars he uses with the electric pick-ups sound like dog-doo. You know the ones I'm talking about, they've got plastic bodies on them. I know they're convenient for playing live but they sound horrible, way too clean.

Come to think of it, everything else about them kind of fits that sound as well.

― Dave Beckhouse (Dave Beckhouse), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Not to beat a dead horse, but those acoustic guitars he uses with the electric pick-ups sound like dog-doo. You know the ones I'm talking about, they've got plastic bodies on them. I know they're convenient for playing live but they sound horrible, way too clean."

AGH! Ohmigod this is so so true. I'm appalled that these things are so common. I had a very hard time finding an acoustic guitar that had an electric pick-up that *wasn't* one of these shitty-sounding models with the plastic body and the little sliders on top. The sound is indeed godawful - really thin and useless. I don't understand why people don't stick with decent wood acoustics and just use good contact mics.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 14 February 2003 01:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

There cheaper for when they break their shit up at the end of everyshow in a Who like orgy.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

go listen to your elitist smug indie sonic youth records if you can't understand the catchy melodic pop brilliance that is the dave matthews band.

― Evan (Evan), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

"What Would You Say" and "Ants Marching" are good. "I Did It" and "The Space Between" are horrible. Haven't heard much else.

― Curtis Stephens, Friday, 14 February 2003 01:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

What they need is the bomb chick like Len, then they would be catchy and brilliant. Or a guy that wears black contact lens and looks like a monkey. Monkeys are good at hackeysack.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think Rockists and Popists can mostly agree that DMB is CRAP.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 14 February 2003 15:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

But where does that leave the jamists?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 February 2003 15:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think there are some Jamists that hate DMB.....

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 14 February 2003 16:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

There must be some people who like them. They regularly sell-out stadiums and their albums have sold > 13 million copies.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 14 February 2003 16:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

creed??? no,no,please, no.
it's ALMOST as bad as bmb.
but, you know what they say about "close". and this is neither situation.
dmb seems to be regressing as opposed to getting better. i don't get that.
i've been forced to hear damn near everything the man has ever done. that being said, there's worse stuff out there, not alot, but some.
creed shows??? where did that come from?? oh, right. a dmb fan. noted.
as for indie-smug-sonic-youth comment...uh, ok. i will.
and i'll enjoy it, ya know why? cuz it's not dmb. and no, it's not always the greatest thing since the bread maker, it's at least a step above the medicority that is dmb.
zing-splash.

― eded, Friday, 14 February 2003 17:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

13 million birthday presents from mom&dad? Its the reason I have a Hootie cd.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 February 2003 18:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

I just listened to "The Maker". It's quite good. You're all mental.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 14 February 2003 19:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

Quiet you! Next your going to proclaim the grebtness of Goddo.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 February 2003 19:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

I mean, what's wrong with this? He seems like a very good singer, the musicianship is flawless, the melody and arrangement are perfectly constructed. It may be a little corny but no worse in that regard than Peter Gabriel or something.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 14 February 2003 19:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

Far more impressive than the Hip, BTW.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 14 February 2003 19:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think your comparing mom and dad's hand me down minivan to Gabriel's Land Rover

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 February 2003 19:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

This live jam of "Bartender" is really boring though. I listened to four other live tracks and nothing was as good as "The Maker" so maybe it was a fluke. Why the fuck are these people applauding?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

cause they're stoned?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

or someone on stage just did a really nice jester?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

or someone on stage just did a really nice jester?

Dan to thread!

― Curtis Stephens, Friday, 14 February 2003 20:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dan outted in hackey sack back stage shocker at intermission.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 February 2003 20:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

Listen to "Crush" off BTCS.

― ilikedmb, Friday, 14 February 2003 22:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

GODDAMMIT!!!

At least it's not as bad as Gwen 'n' Moby though.

― Curtis Stephens, Sunday, 16 February 2003 19:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

(Dave Matthews performing w/Blue Man Group.. you'll have to scroll down to find it)

― Curtis Stephens, Sunday, 16 February 2003 19:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dear Mrs Sinker,

Further to your question about Dave Matthew’s Band I will attempt to explain why people generally don’t like them and also why these people do not tend to like people who like DMB.

The normal complaint that is levelled at DMB is that they are boring. In this context boring means that they conform (and this is an important word), and their music conforms, to ordinary well worn structures (personally: gruff male archetypes, drummer, bassist, guitarist, singer – normal band structure; musically: verse chorus verse, like say ordinary, eg, Meatloaf songs of the 1970s – dirge is a word which comes up often) made with well worn sounds (over-emoting, brillo-pad vocals, which is to say it sounds like he has nodules on his vocal cords and so sounds a bit rough, like his voice has been sand-papered – trad is another word which comes up). People conflate these two conceptions of ‘ordinary’ (sounds and structures) found in the band’s music with the band’s image to help them paint the band as super-ordinary. Essentially, they are aggressively normal.

(I guess one of the reasons people dislike people who like DMB is for this subscription to aggressive normalness: they perceive that they DMB fans haven’t made a conscious choice because they perceive that they aren’t questioning and that they are automatons.)

Also, Mrs Sinker, a large deal of the antipathy towards DMB fans is brought along to the table by the fact that the people who, statistically, turn out to be DMB fans are also of a group that ‘us’ people don’t like: jocks. So again there is a conflation of images. We end up merging jocks and DMB fans, attributing DMB fans with jock characteristics and vice versa and obviously this bleeds into our perception of the band because at some point or other people forget how to dissociate band from fan. And it doesn’t really help when DM looks like a fan of DMB.

A part of the anger is frustration that music which is similar but slightly ‘better’ (ie different, newer guitar music which isn’t re-tracing old routes, bands with silly names like Man or Astroman? Oxes [note: not Oxen, and no definite article], Shellac) doesn’t get the audience – this is fed by a belief that the DMB fans haven’t listened to our bands and that if they did they would like them. It’s a sort of distrust because we think that they’ve heard DMB liked them alright and thought we don’t need any more music in our life so stopped there. If this is true then it would display a value that we do not know how to handle as of yet: (1) there is an endpoint to music absorption and (2) there is an endpoint to a questing attitude.

Now, I know your son is fond of ‘have fun starting arguments’ which is in direct quarrel with number (2) there so if he can verify that that is part of the distrust and if he’s willing to say it is valid distrust then we might have nailed DMB fans a little, but of course we can’t cast them all into this giant great swirling vortex. Also, it would still leave the problem of finding reasons to hate the band.

I hope this clears some of the trouble you were experiencing up Mrs Sinker. Please pass my regards onto your son.

Yours sincerely,

Dh.

― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 16 February 2003 22:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

:::yawn:::

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 17 February 2003 00:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

mrs sinket to thread! she must!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 17 February 2003 11:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

1. Band solos indiscriminately throughout each & every song. 2. Drummer has no dynamics and won't quit showing off. 3. The lyrics don't call for the kind of roaring Matthews insists on doing. 4. Fans cheer at all the wrong moments. 5. Saxophones eat shit, especially those tootly-faux-New Orleans saxes his songs are full of. 5. It's not improvising if you practice that way every time. 6. Sorry, Evan and you other fans, I haven't met a fan of theirs yet I can get along with, even on a passing basis. I like to think you'd be the exception. I used to think Phish fans were the same people, but I get along pretty well with them, and no longer hate Phish.

― matt riedl (veal), Monday, 17 February 2003 16:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

This live jam of "Bartender" is really boring though. I listened to four other live tracks and nothing was as good as "The Maker" so maybe it was a fluke.

I believe that "The Maker" is Daniel Lanois' song, sometimes called "Eyes of the Maker." The Jerry Garcia Band used to do a lovely version of it.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 February 2003 23:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

i hate dmb too but to say the drummer doesnt have dynamics is pretty silly

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 17 February 2003 23:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

FWIW, i did say that i'd rather listen to DMB than Sigur Ros (and you can add GYBE! too), which puts me in the same league as Sterling i suppose.

i also have no time for any of DMB, SR, or GYBE!, which puts me in the same league as Ned. why waste yer time on crap?

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 21 February 2003 04:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I believe that "The Maker" is Daniel Lanois' song, sometimes called "Eyes of the Maker." The Jerry Garcia Band used to do a lovely version of it.

Oh. In that case the DMB suck ass and you're all justified in hating them.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 21 February 2003 14:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yall are a bunch of ignorant sluts...each band member are very talented muscians....tell me, what are yalls fav. bands?

― FUCKYALL, Sunday, 23 February 2003 07:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dave matthews Fans that i know love Hootie & The Blowfish and Phish, Think Spin Doctors were a great grunge band, They like Matchbox Twenty and think Meredith Brooks & Alannis Morrissette are 'Alternative and edgy'
how the hell can something as safe as Meredith Brooks be alternative is beyond me. Oh i forgotm shes got endorsements by fellow musos like Dave Matthews! *shudders*
Ive never net a DMB fan with good taste.
DMB are the Huey Lewis & The News of the 90's and 00's.

― Evan Seinfeld, Sunday, 23 February 2003 11:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

My favorite bands are Husker Du, Smiths, Joy Division, Shellac, Big Black, Killing Joke, Massive Attack, Underworld,Flaming Lips, Spiritualized.
Whats yours FUCKYALL?

― Evan Seinfeld, Sunday, 23 February 2003 11:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

All indie rock sucks. Open your minds to the genius of Meredith and Dave Matthews. I wish they would collaborate. She should produce the next DMB.
Killing Joke? arent they the dodgy 80s goth band? hahahhaa.

― brent davies, Sunday, 23 February 2003 14:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

''arent they the dodgy 80s goth band?''

hehehe...I demand Alex in NYC posts to this thread!

''Open your minds to the genius of Meredith and Dave Matthews.''

TROLL!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 23 February 2003 14:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

TROLL! ?
Am i not entitled to an opinion? I got a link to this board from a friend on a DMB message board. As far as i know i dont exist in fairy tale form under a bridge.
Dave & Meredith rock in my opinion. Who cares if you dont agree with me. Just respect the fact i have an opinion. No need to call me names. (FYI i know what a troll is innetspeak)
bye.

― brent davies, Sunday, 23 February 2003 17:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

As far as i know i dont exist in fairy tale form under a bridge.

Ontological Crises Anonymous to thread!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 February 2003 17:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Killing Joke? arent they the dodgy 80s goth band? hahahhaa."

I'm way too tired, achey and hungover to respond to this properly, but surely the opinions of a zealous DMB fan are moot anyway, right?

In any case, FUCK YOU, you squirming, corpse-felching MAGGOT!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 February 2003 17:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

''TROLL! ?''

I was only joking (and this is a 'joke' around these boards).

actually I should have just asked: why do u think DMB is way better than say, ''all indie rock''?

alex in NYC's ans is very pretty.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 23 February 2003 21:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe Mrs Sinker didn't come on. I don't think my explanation was particularly good or insightful. But it was an attempt.

― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 23 February 2003 21:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

This thread is silly. DMB have the bacon-ey stench of Canada all over them! (despite being Americans, I think)

― Alan N (Alan N), Sunday, 23 February 2003 21:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

And Bread did the whole soft rock thing better.

― Alan N (Alan N), Sunday, 23 February 2003 21:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Hey, just cause I like DMB doesn't mean I don't like TOOL, Van Halen, Rush , Norah Jones, and Stevie Wonder"...do you like ANYthing good? Do you like ANYthing not on a major label? You're probably not a dupe, naga pampa...but I think you're being duped!

― matt riedl (veal), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just because its on a major label doesnt mean it sucks. No need to be so rude to Naga Pampa or other DMB fans(although they were rude to indie rock and pop fans)But naga pampa hasnt been nasty to anyone.
Theyre all entitled to like what they like.
Im sure they will agree as much as ILMers that Norah Jones sucks for instance. Or Avril Lavigne.
Gimme DMB over Avril Lavigne or Kelly osbourne any day. Its not good pop at all.

― Blinky, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Waitasec. I'm feeling deja vu.
I distinctly remember a couple years back, somebody started a thread about the Killing Joke. And it was flamed by hordes of Killing Joke Fans, the most vocal of which was a new guy calling himself Alex in NYC.
End Result: Alex in NYC stuck around and became the most Active Poster in the History of ILM, evah

flash foward to the present day....

somebody started a thread about the Dave Matthews Band. And it was flamed by hordes of DMB Fans...I fear that sometimes soon an "Alex in NYC"-esque DMB fan will begin posting early and often every day, until he becomes the Most Active Poster. And he will post photos of DMB in every thread...and the DMB Fan will demand that we all "Honour the..." (whatever it DMB fans honour) and the world will become a much darker and more horrid place.

(Note to the real Alex in NYC: I'm not busting your nut, I'd *genuinely prefer* a KJ fan over a DMB fan for the post of "most fanatical ILM poster.)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

Im sure they will agree as much as ILMers that Norah Jones sucks for instance. Or Avril Lavigne.
Gimme DMB over Avril Lavigne or Kelly osbourne any day. Its not good pop at all.

those are incorrect generalizations of "ILMers".

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't think I was being rude at all. Let him fight his own battles, if there's even a "battle" here. Every artist he named is on a major, and, I believe, they were ALWAYS on majors. A lot of people don't even realize they're being force-fed until they spit out that last nasty mouthful. Naga Pampa, no offense meant, but I'll stand by my thoughts on the subject.

― matt riedl (veal), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

matt - most of these dmb-types self-released stuff (and sold plenty) long before they signed to a major. John Mayer was packing theaters well before he went major, as did Dave Matthews, as did Hootie

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

With all due respect, I'm not a DMB fan, but they are far better than Hootie.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Who's that hatin on Huey Lewis & the News?

― Stuart (Stuart), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

ahem....
DMB will continue to blow until...
A-DM dies from the coke he seems to love.
B-the other 83% of the US of A come out of it and get all the DMB fans together for a nice little "picnic in the ocean"
C-the other members of DMB realize that the cash cow is poison, and stage a coup. outting DM for being, in all actuallity, Jon Denver in disguise!!! the remaining DMB fans who do not kill themselves out of dismay or graduate from college and move on to higher musical tastes, will convert to Est, and rejoice in a massive rendition of "Rocky Mountian Train" followed by an all vocal rendition of "the white album".
phish fans will contemptously twirl.

― edde, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB are awful Anyone who likes a band just because theyre amazing at their instruments are sad shallow people. Thats a LOT of DMB/Phish/Jam Bands/Metal fans.

As for majors vs indie. Its irrelevant these days. It depends on what sort of deal they get. Space were on an 'indie' and got shafted didnt they? Im sure theres many other incidents. Indie labels are as likely to be run by greedy bastards as a major.(with some exceptions obviously)

― grant v, Thursday, 27 February 2003 12:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

do any black people like dave mathews band?

Check that out DMB fans..

― Iain Bigg, Thursday, 27 February 2003 14:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB,Hootie , Huey Lewis & The News suck more than Creed!

― fred, Friday, 28 February 2003 03:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

Huey Lewis > Hootie > DMB > Creed

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 28 February 2003 03:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

No one sucks more than Creed. Sorry, Fred.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 28 February 2003 03:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

"now just extend it seven minutes with bongos" -- Mr Noodles (infinitec0w...), February 11th, 2003

Bongos?! Didn't Carter play the bongos at Yoshii's on 5-10-95? Or was that Crater?

― DMBGurrrl, Friday, 28 February 2003 18:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Nick played the bongos, but it was at Tokyo's on 09-13-98 or something.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

fred: DMB,Hootie , Huey Lewis & The News suck more than Creed!
blasphemy.
Huey Lewis > Hootie > DMB > Creed
Okay. *This* one I'll vouch for.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

OK, I'll bite. I am a dmb fan. I love their music, the lyrics, the musicanship, the fact that they are, despite what many of you have said, different from most of the music that is out there today. Different from Mayer, Hootie, Phish and all the other bands and musicians they get lumped together with (I'm not saying these other bands are bad, just different). It iritates me when poeople judge DMB when they have only heard a few of their songs (Crash Into Me, The Space Between, Where Are You Going). I wish people would listen to more of the music before forming an opion of the band. There is so much more music then what is on the radio. Listen to a song like Halloween or The Last Stop for example, and you will find it completely different from Crash or The Space Between. Throughout my time as a fan I have experienced prejudices because I happen to love this band. I have never really understood the hatread of this band and their fans. Despite what people think all DMB fans are not Frat-boys, jocks, hippies and pot-heads. I am not one of those things. Don't hate someone because you don't happen to enjoy the same tyopes of music, that's like hating soomeone because of their religion or the social status. It's stupid to lump all fans of one band into a catagory and decide that because they like this band you will hate them all. That being said, I would recomend that those of you that have only heard DMB's singles listen to a few of their other songs and then make you decisions. A few of my favs are: Two Step, Jimi Thing, Halloween, Last Stop, Warehouse, #41, #36. Then if you still don't like the music, that's fine, despite what people think DMB fans aren't like Jehova's Witnesses (I think I spelled that wrong), we aren't a cult, and most of us don't really care whether you like the music or not. Have a great day!

― sarah4136, Friday, 28 February 2003 21:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

There is so much more music then what is on the radio.

Yup.

DMB fans aren't like Jehova's Witnesses

I like the idea of fans of any band riding around on bikes like the Mormons, winning people over via house to house visits.

To be fair, Sarah, you're quite correct in general. You like them and that's what matters, and you shouldn't care what anyone else thinks. But like it or not, other people will have their opinions on the matter and will disagree with you on them if that's what they feel. That's the way things work. From where you're standing, those others are not 'right,' but they're not wrong either.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 21:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

But Sarah, I've heard the first two albums. I really wanted to like them. I never did, outside of a few of the radio songs that you feel are their lesser work. It's not like I didn't try to get into them!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 21:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

i happen to love the dmb and will travel almost anywhere in the united states to see them. that is a lot of traveling as our country is much much larger than yours (unless you are in china, russia, or india) and they play in front of a full house every night so who cares what you europeans think. if you were to give them a try with an open mind then you might just like them. do not just dislike them because it is the cool thing to do on this board. and not everybody agrees with dave on everything he does because we should LIBERATE IRAQ

― craig johnson, Friday, 28 February 2003 21:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

USA! USA! Go for the gold Craig!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 28 February 2003 21:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

Craig, I am embarrassed to come from the same state as you.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 21:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

does Craig realise that almost all the DMB hate is coming from his fellow countrymen, as most Europeons don't know and could give a fuck who Dave Matthews is?

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 28 February 2003 21:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

and not everybody agrees with dave on everything he does because we should LIBERATE IRAQ

Then get off your ass and get over there and do it, cowboy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 21:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I hate chickenhawks.

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 28 February 2003 22:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

So do little boys.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 22:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

This thread is at last finding its level!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 22:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't mind DMB, but I hate the audience at their shows, which is comprised of sorority girls and drunk frat guys hitting on sorority girls.

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Saturday, 1 March 2003 04:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

How about we listen to somebody with some credibility on this issue. Would you all agree that U2 is a fairly decent band? Would you believe Bono is fairly talented?? Well this have bono speak about this issue

"The first time I heard him(Dave) I thought he was a black jazz artist.The song I heard (crush) from him and his bandmates was
amazing and had a distinct soulful feel to it, the feel that you don't hear much at all today from bands. Their drummer(carter) has God like drumming skills,amazing live band their just lit from beginning to end.I just got around to picking up their new one Busted Stuff, fucking mindblowing music.
All the musicans bring somthing to the table so your always full ya know?They literally have created their own genre of music and that right there is quite a thrill mate."- Bono ,Showbiz Iraland Maginzine 3-2-03

Is this why we hate dmb?? yah dmb..they suck..riiiiiiiight

― Mark, Saturday, 1 March 2003 06:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

What the hell does Bono have to do with this? And who cares if he likes DMB or not?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 March 2003 06:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Showbiz Iraland Maginzine is a great read

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 1 March 2003 09:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

How about we listen to somebody with some credibility on this issue. Would you all agree that U2 is a fairly decent band?

Unfortunately I think you just shot yourself in the foot.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 March 2003 13:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

has anyone noticed that a lot of these posts have been incredibly racist....

P.S(especially the non-dmb fans you white trash pieces of shit)

P.S.S(have you guys ever realize that your just dissing people you will never be i.e Accountants, lawyers, people that go to university)

― DMB FAN 4/20, Saturday, 1 March 2003 15:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

another 'interesting' post. what a quietly storming afternoon we are having today.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 15:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

oh let me guess..u2 is a terrible band also and bono sucks. i would say its safe to say that u2 is one of the most established and celebrated rock bands in rock history..count the number of awards..count the number of years they have been together..etc..etc..etc...dont argue for the sake of argument you all are just digging yourselves into a deeper ditch..please be reminded i have not said one bad thing about linkin park.

― mark, Saturday, 1 March 2003 16:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

who cares what bono thinks..obviously not you..it just brought some credibility to this topic..do you know what credibility is??? its something you try to use when you argue with people ..get it??

― mark, Saturday, 1 March 2003 16:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't think you get it. never mind.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 17:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

dmb will only be defended by dmb fans, not casual listeners...
by bringing U2 into the topic, the depths are now being plumbed...
BTW-yeah, u2 is now among the shit bands. i don't need another Paul Simon or Billy Joel, fuck you very much.
racist?? why? because someone said "black"??? is that racist?
if so, geez, take yr pills...

― eded, Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

Julio - why d'you keep clicking on this link, it's obv. you don't like DMB, and you almost know what the unread posts are going to say, yet still you come in, pop a more-than-a-little-smug dismissal at The Googler, then scurry off. C'mon d00d. Bring the love. Imbibe the vibe (^(c) Ronan, 2001).

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

Lazy HTML as signifier of disdain withstanding, that wasn't meant to be/sound nasty.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

But like it or not, other people will have their opinions on the matter and will disagree with you on them if that's what they feel. That's the way things work. From where you're standing, those others are not 'right,' but they're not wrong either. -- Ned Raggett

Ned, like I said I don't care if people like the music or not. That's their opinion. It's when people are prejudiced towards me and other fans that there begins to be a problem. I happen to hate the music of the band Creed, but I don't hate all Creed fans just because they like music that I don't. I have been treated very unfairly at times because I happen to be a DMB fan. A lot of people assume I am a pot-head and that all I do is get drunk and listen to DMB. That's not my life at all. I don't really know of many other bands or artists whose fans get so much hatred. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that DMB fans are some of the most hated fans around and I still don't understand why. Maybe someone could enlighten me?

― sarah4136, Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

''Julio - why d'you keep clicking on this link, it's obv. you don't like DMB, and you almost know what the unread posts are going to say, yet still you come in, pop a more-than-a-little-smug dismissal at The Googler, then scurry off.''

It's not that I don't like them, its just that I haven't heard a single note from them.

some of the comments are idiotic (if bono likes 'em that must mean something...).

But you know I do the 'smug' thing most of the time anyway cozen, and especially so at the weekends since this place is nearly dead.

You are right. I'll restrain myself.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

If Bono likes 'em, it must mean something. Not necessarily an interesting something, tho'. And yeh, I haven't heard a single note from them, either. That's weird, right? They're massive in America - surely there is some bleeding into Britain?

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

But Sarah, I've heard the first two albums. I really wanted to like them. I never did, outside of a few of the radio songs that you feel are their lesser work. It's not like I didn't try to get into them! --Dan

OK. So you don't like them. I'm sure I don't like some of the same music as you. But that doesn't mean we can't get along, and that is my main point.

― sarah4136, Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

I never said it didn't mean we can't get along! The meanest things I've said on this thread have been direct responses to idiots (direct responses to individuals) and saying that the violinist looks like The Predator (which he does, really).

I don't really know of many other bands or artists whose fans get so much hatred.

Pretty much EVERY band's fans has negative stereotypes. I've spent most of my life deply into Prince (ergo I MUST be a bisexual, hyper-promiscuous fop obsesed with Jesus) and The Cure (ergo I must think I'm a suicidal vampire fairy). Ask fans of The Smiths what people thought of them, or the Sex Pistols, or Marilyn Manson, or pretty much any band or artist out there.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

Lord knows I love hearing it, but I'm still confused why that guy looks like the Predator. Maybe somebody could put pictures up for us to compare.

I got enough crap for liking REM in elementary school, I can't even IMAGINE what I would have gotten for Prince-appreciation (save for the Batman soundtrack, which was cool because it was about Batman). Maybe that's why I didn't really go nuts about pop until college (even though I watched it all the time on tv I only purchased "alternative" albums).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ahhh, it's the hair that does it. Thank you (I was thinking more about that mouth and don't see much comparison there). Maybe Danny Glover raped the Predator at the end of Predator 2. Hee hee snort!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

''If Bono likes 'em, it must mean something. Not necessarily an interesting something, tho'.''

I was being sarcastic as it isn't interesting.

band x likes band y.

that band x is U2 is nothing to me.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

oh vienna!

(hi ned)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I know, julio.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well done, Anthony. ;-)

please be reminded i have not said one bad thing about linkin park.

Uh, yay? (To make it clearer, Mark -- I don't care how many awards they've won or how long they've been together or all that crap, what matters about U2 or any other band is what I think of their music. That should be all that matters to you as well. Or do you seriously go around rating bands based on those extraneous factors rather than their music?)

Ned, like I said I don't care if people like the music or not. That's their opinion. It's when people are prejudiced towards me and other fans that there begins to be a problem.

Fair enough, and as Dan has illustrated, that's something that is pretty commonly felt no matter what you're listening to. I will say though that you were 'irritated' when people judged Mr. Matthews and company on the basis of what they had heard via the radio songs -- so clearly you do care somewhat! ;-) I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all, we could all say something similar. And as Dan notes, his response (and mine) aren't to say, "We can't get along because you like DMB," it's to say, "We're not going to agree on this subject -- that means nothing else about anything else, though, or doesn't have to be." Which it sounds like we're all saying anyway.

ergo I must think I'm a suicidal vampire fairy

You don't, Dan? But but but I do! Oh wait...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

if you know the Cure at all, all liking them means is that you're pretty fucking sappy at times.

being a fan, I'm allowed to say that.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

''Yeah, I know, julio.''

oh, sorry

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

pretty fucking sappy

Seen as a verb phrase instead of a adjectival one, this suggests wonders.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

bucking for Dan's job, Ned?

ooh! another accidental double entendre!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

who cares what bono thinks..obviously not you..it just brought some credibility to this topic..do you know what credibility is??? its something you try to use when you argue with people ..get it??

Listen junior, not only have I invariably seen U2 more times than you've had hot dinners, I've actually sat down and talked to the man, so don't try to school me about his cred. I don't care if JAZ COLEMAN espouses the music of the Dave Mathews Band. Lending creedence to an artist just because someone you respect or admire likes them is no way to establish merit. Hell, I'm a massive fan of Julian Cope, but the records he cites on his website as 'crucial' I usually find nigh on unlistenable. What I can tell you is that to these ears, the music of the DMB is dead fucking boring and deplorably overrated by a nation of whistleheaded frat schmucks who don't know any better. I couldn't give less of a flaming fuckin' fig if Bono likes them -- he likes fuckin' Patti Smith too, and ya don't see me charging out my door to go buy her fuckin' crappy albums.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

HONOR THE ULCER!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

sorry, I mean HONOR THE FIRE!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

''Listen junior''!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

*cough*Shania Ramone*cough*

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

Tom - delete ILM please

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

question for the dmb fans: which jammin totally unique dmb track is best for balancing your bankbook and which is best for dateraping sorority girls? cuz I've been told "tripping billies" for both (Bono says it's great for balancing your checkbook!)

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

date rapin' sorority chix R0x0r, u r all gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

ATTN: Forum Moderator...
I don't know who posted the last post, but it sure as hell wasn't me.
Please remove it.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well, personally I think AOR sounds better when the singer doesn't attempt to sound like Eddie Fucking Vedder...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

(Thank you for the mental image of the Iron Maiden mascot attempting to violate the lead singer of Pearl Jam, Geir.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

LOL :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

Vedder's not really my type, actually

― Eddie (vassifer), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

But Tripod hosting images are?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

(Thank you for the mental image of the Iron Maiden mascot attempting to violate the lead singer of Pearl Jam, Geir.)
Yeah, but Eddie doesn't swing that way...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I've just wasted half an hour of my life reading this bloody thread. And I've never even heard of Dave Matthews before.

ILX in more addictive and debilitating than crack cocaine shock. I can feel time slowly ceasing to have any meaning.

― James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

has anyone noticed that a lot of these posts have been incredibly racist....
P.S(especially the non-dmb fans you white trash pieces of shit)
P.S.S(have you guys ever realize that your just dissing people you will never be i.e Accountants, lawyers, people that go to university)

I think this is the most pathetic thing I've read in years. It's taken me this long to stop laughing at this post and the deeply feeble mind that concocted it. The best thing you can come up with is "you're just jealous that you aren't an accountant"???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

I am jealous of the missed attempt to extort, but would be a touch worried that I might be caught. Then I would be sent to prison and not allowed to listen to DMB, apparently. *thinks* Wait, this sounds like a good idea!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't care if JAZ COLEMAN espouses the music of the Dave Mathews Band

oh yes you do

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Heya John! So I hear you met someone I know in San Francisco.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

You people are ridiculous. You say you hate Dave Matthews Band, but you have nothing to back your comments, and nothing better to say than, "I hate his voice" or "he's a hippe and I hate hippies". Most of you have never even seen DMB, so in my mind, you have absolutly no idea what you're talking about.
I've been listening to them for almost six years and they have never once disappointed me live or musically.
And comparing him to Hitler? I think that's the rudest, most iggnorant thing I have ever heard. Hitler killed 6 million people. Dave makes 6 million people happy every year by putting on amazing shows and for a few hours, making them forget about all the shit that goes on in the world.
And wishing death upon him...come on guys. He's a musician. Hate him if you want, but there's certainly no reason to wish death upon someone who's music you simply don't identify with.
I have laughed so hard at some of you. Saying that Pearl Jam, U2, Counting Crows and Phish are horrible...even though they can sell out stadiums in minutes and have more fans around the world than any other band in history. Phish sold almost a million tickets to "The Great Went" in 1998. Something tells me this wouldn't happen to a band if people didn't like listening to them.
If you don't like him, shut the hell up about it. Because those of us who do are tired of listening to your iggnorant comments about something you obviously know nothing about.

Cheers,
Gracie in Canada

― Gracie, Monday, 10 March 2003 17:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

iggnorant

Oh sweet irony.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

I have a GREAT reason to hate Dave Matthews, despite his shitty music. Apparently, his affinity for the Dead doesn't extend to the sharing of their philosophy regarding bootlegging CDs. The fucker had his "people" investigate several independent record stores in the city I worked in - Basically putting my job in jeopardy. How's that for a reason to hate a millionaire?

Several stores (including ours) were fined, and in Westchetsre, NY ALONE, two record stores were shut down (temporarily or not, I'm not sure) because Matthews objected to the selling of his "bootlegs" -

Nowadays, we call that section the "import" section and are very careful to never use the 'B' word, suspicious of spies and other soulless metermaid types.

My store, for our part, staged a boycott of all Dave Matthews CDs.

Fuck him and his shitty, sterile music.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

this thread is the best google-bait in AGES

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

you have nothing to back your comments, and nothing better to say than, "I hate his voice"

This is a very good reason to hate anything, actually.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

I THINK DAVE MATTHEWS WRITES INSIPID SONGS.

Also, doesn't he have some disease that will cause him to lose his guitar playing sk1llz eventually (I think someone said that to me)? If so, let's give all our money to AIDS research instead.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

Roger, I'm sorry that happened. And it's totally cool that you don't like them. I respect that. I just hate it when people run the band down when they don't have a good reason.

Jon Williams...that is such an ignorant thing to say. Want to do some research and find the name of this so called disease? I'm actually really curious. Unless it's arthritis...

Alex, excuse me for making a typo. I know it makes me such an idiot...and I know you've probably never made one, am I right?

Cheers again,
Gracie

― Gracie, Monday, 10 March 2003 19:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

The reasons that bands are so against bootlegging is because it screws the fans

Most people here are really good at hating. I don't care for Dave Matthews, but there is no reason for wreckless hate
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― Gbicec, Monday, 10 March 2003 20:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

The reasons that bands are so against bootlegging is because it screws the fans

Is somebody paying you to say this? Bootlegging has always been one of the most satisfying things about being a fan. Even/especially when you buy a shitty-sounding bootleg (Lou Reed's Blondes Have More Fun!, Australia ca. 1974), there's a great rite-of-passage feeling to entering the realm of psycho-fanhood where you're buying records you know are sub-par that you'll never listen to just because you have to own them. If not for bootlegging, how boring would it have been to be a Joy Division fan in 1985? Bootlegging=fanhood, labels & bands oppose it because they smell money that they're not getting...not because of any "artistic integrity" questions or anything.

...as the googlers always want me to add: "that's just my opinion" ;)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't like DMB, but at least I've seen them in concert 5 times, so I have some experience on which to base my dislike.

Although, at the time it came out, I thought the breakdown section of "What Would You Say" was kinda cool.

I kinda don't like the way their shows are supposed to be these huge improv spectacles, when in reality they pretty much just trade solos. I've honestly seen more adventurous improv interplay at Roots shows, Sonic Youth shows, even They Might Be Giants shows.

I don't exactly hate them on a Limp Bizkit/Creed actually-makes-me-sick-to-my-stomach level, I just don't particularly like their style of writing/improvising.

Carter Beauford, howevah, I must say is quite a drummer. I think it would be cool if he quit and joined Fishbone. :D

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

It would be even better if he quit and joined Ministry (even though Ministry sucks these days).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

It would be cool if he quit.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alex, excuse me for making a typo. I know it makes me such an idiot...and I know you've probably never made one, am I right?

Au contraire, my vehement Canuck. Some argue that everything I've ever written was just one giant typo, but that wasn't my point. I was merely commenting on the exquisite irony of you decrying our collective ignorance, yet mispelling the word in the process. And it wasn't a typo, it was a misspelling (you did it twice).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

even though they can sell out stadiums in minutes and have more fans around the world than any other band in history.

Hitler had a lot of fans too.

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

Phish sold almost a million tickets to "The Great Went" in 1998. Something tells me this wouldn't happen to a band if people didn't like listening to them.

Maybe those people just don't know any better.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alex, excuse me for mispelling a word. I'm sorry to have offended you. Really I am. And this "collective ignorance" you speak of, concerning the others on this board, was not intended for anyone else BUT you. You were the one that made the Hitler comment, so you're the one I will speak to about it. I also think it's icredibly rude of you to keep commenting on the Hitler thing. Millions of people died in his hands. I think that's hardly a fair comparison when we're talking about a musicians. And I don't think it's even remotely relative to what we're talking about here. It's like comparing Backstreet Boys to George Bush...there is no comparisson.

As for your comment about Phish's fans not knowing any better - that is a weak comment coming from someone who in MY opinion doesn't know any better either.

I am also curious to know, since you're so cynical about DMB, as well as other great bands such as U2, Phish, Pearl Jam and Counting Crows...what is it that YOU listen to? And I'm sure you would feel quite justifyed in defending them if I were to insult not only their music, but their very existance?

Cheers yet again,
Gracie

― Gracie, Monday, 10 March 2003 21:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

And I'm sure you would feel quite justifyed in defending them if I were to insult not only their music, but their very existance?

Happens here all the time, Gracie. Alex knows how to handle it, though. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alex listens exclusively to Juice Newton, Gracie.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sorry i should have specified.
I am all for live taping, and then a trader's network of some type to distribute these tapings across a wide range of people, i am also for something like Pearl Jam did, where they make bootlegs of every show, and make them purchasable (i.e. $16 or less, and they did that for a 2 disc set, for like 50 shows or something ridiulous)

I am all against jerk CD stores who care nothing about the integrity of the band, nothing about the integrity of the music, have crappy recordings that they way overcharge, and screw the fans for. Bootlegging screws the fans in and of the fact that jerks go to shows, tape it, and then sell it for $60 to some shmuck who thinks he can't get it anywhere else.

Live Music trading: Yes
Bootlegging (ie jerks making money off me, who care nothing about what i feel, they just want a buck): No
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― Gbicec, Monday, 10 March 2003 22:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Good enough. You guys have fun.

Cheers,
Gracie

― Gracie, Monday, 10 March 2003 22:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

You were the one that made the Hitler comment, so you're the one I will speak to about it.

I don't know who brought Hitler into this debate first, sister, but it wasn't me. My invokation of the man (after your comment) was only to demonstrate that love of the masses doesn't necessarily equate a good thing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well folks without Dave Matthews we would not have Don Lennon's sublime 'Really Dave Matthews'.

― S Samson, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

Gracie, do you like Sonic Youth?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

vas iz dis hatred uff ze Dafe Mattews Bend. Ze arh vundabar!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

"labels & bands oppose it because they smell money that they're not getting"

here, here. trade at will, buyer beware.

i hope this thread will continue into ferever...
dmb is noodling on a cosmic level. and yes, phish do it better, but you know what, it's still boring as fuck. there's very few people whom i even want to hear solo for 10-15 minutes. dmb being at the very bottom of this imaginary list. right next to someone i really dislike less.
if dm is so "anti boot" why is there a thousand boots floating around that sound startlingly similar? oh, wait, nevermind...

gracie, i feel for ya. like i feel for the old dead heads. slightly sorry, slightly jealous that i can't dig what it is you like, but then i feel a little better because of it- it's taste. got it? good.
get it.

sounds like a commercial...

― ed as Cobra Commander, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I stumbled upon this site by mistake. I like Dave Matthews. He has a unique style. Yes, others mimic him, but he was the first to come up with a jazzy, catchy, unique beet. I think he is very talented. He deserves everything he has recieved.

― Jessica Jones, Monday, 21 April 2003 23:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Unique beets for special borscht!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 02:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Recommended DMB songs:
The verses of "The Space Between Us" (the chorus sucks ass)
The "I am no Superman" song
The "drink too much" song

Everything else is completely worthless and unnecessary.

-- Dan Perry (djperr...), February 12th, 2003.

You must be kidding me. These are some of his not so great songs. I am a huge fan of the Dave Matthews band. I am not a jock, or in college or a yuppie or any of the stupid things that you people have listed so far. Feel free to dislike the music and state your opinion as such....but leave me the hell out of it..........and I have yet to see anyone discuss what types of music they DO like..........

― Kate, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 19:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

but leave me the hell out of it

As nobody recalls forcing you to be here, quit your complaining and come back with a brain, please.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

OI! You are not allowed to post as just "Kate". That is me. THERE IS NO OTHER KATE BUT ME. Pick an initial or something. That's it, I'm registering. Identity theft has got to me. And for something as DISGUSTING AND DEPRAVED as being a DMB fan. Ick! Ick! I feel unclean!

― kate, Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

This will NEVER happen again. I am the only Kate. Me. ME, I tell you. So HAH!

― kate (kate), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Would I be out of order to get on the Admin thread and ask for an initial to be placed after that INTERLOPER's name to avoid the identity theft issue?

I mean, christ, post porn, stroke Calz' cock, I mean, ego - ANYTHING - under my name, but do NOT accuse me of being a DMB fan.

― kate (kate), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

When I saw that posting i honestly thought it was kate confessing to being a DMB fan. Luckily she pointed it out. I would too be interested in seeing what bands everyone here is into. Is there a thread that could be linked to? im sure such thread must exist.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

Did any of the DMB fans stick around?

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

I had no idea our Kate liked the Dave Matthews band! It just goes to show you that dronerock fans aren't so closed-minded as people make themm out to be. Good on you, Kate, for being so forthright, even if it did take you a couple of months!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Good news for all us DMB fans.
"DMB's Tinsley Begins Solo Journey

After years of toying with the idea, Dave Matthews Band violinist Boyd Tinsley tells Billboard.com the decision to record his Bama Rags/RCA solo debut album "True Reflections," due June 17, basically came down to, "Why not?"

"There was a point a couple of years ago where I said, 'Man, I'm just going to do it,'" says Tinsley. "This album is just a natural extension of who I am as a musician and really a natural extension of the Dave Matthews Band, too. For me, it was just an individual journey to just open up a whole other world of music that I hadn't really explored before, like songwriting and singing. The whole experience has just made me a better musician."

Longtime DMB fans will recognize the title track, which Tinsley he wrote prior to joining the band in 1991. It has been a DMB concert staple ever since. Considering the song's history, Tinsley says there was little debate about asking Matthews himself to contribute vocals to the track.

However, Matthews is the only DMB member on Tinsley's disc. For the other material on the 11-song album, Tinsley spent the past year writing (and co-writing with guitarist/songwriter Chris Bruce) and recording. Joining him in the studio were guests Lisa Germano, Doyle Bramhall II, the Dirty Dozen Brass Band, and Corey Harris, among others.

After DMB's summer tour wraps in September, Tinsley plans on hitting the road in support of "True Reflections" with as many of his studio musicians as possible.

"We're just going to have fun -- we've never had a chance to play this music live before," says Tinsley. "And when you play songs live, they continue to grow and evolve and get stronger and better. So, I'm just looking forward to seeing how these songs are going to develop on the road."

Solo projects are a running theme in the DMB camp these days. As previously reported, Matthews' "Some Devil" will be released in the fall. While he hasn't heard the disc yet, Tinsley believes frequent DMB contributor Tim Reynolds is "probably heavily involved."

― Lynn Rembrandt, Friday, 6 June 2003 01:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hi Lynn good to see you saw the board and came here to defend DMB. You orgot to mention Dave has a solo album coming too!

"Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated."
How can a band be hated if millions buy their albums and go to their concerts? Are U2/Beatles/Bowie/Led Zep bad & hated in your parallel universe too?
As for listening only to bands on major labels, whats up with that? Being on a label is irrelevent to the actual music.

― Josie, Friday, 6 June 2003 01:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 6 June 2003 02:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

How can a band be hated if millions buy their albums and go to their concerts?

I like imagining that in Josie's universe she hates nothing, since someone else somewhere probably loves it. A very trusting and open-minded soul.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 02:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

it's called 'empathy' ned

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 6 June 2003 02:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Bah! You WOULD have empathy!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 02:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 6 June 2003 02:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's a damn scary universe. I can think of other things i'd much prefer in an alternative universe and it wouldnt include DMB or Coldplay.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Friday, 6 June 2003 06:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

good on ya kate!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 June 2003 07:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

ADMIN!!! AAAAAADMIN!!!

Make them stop teasing me.

― kate (kate), Friday, 6 June 2003 07:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

Everyone is sooooo jealous because they are no talent assholes! Dave could out-play and out-write any of you. So why is it that you hate them?--because of jealousy!

― Scott Diesel, Friday, 6 June 2003 12:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

again, that hippie jig he does with his foot needs to stop.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 6 June 2003 12:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

jealousy??????

um...no. i'd like his money, and that's where it ends.
i don't think i could live with myself knowing that a couple thousand date-rapes occurred to/because of my music...
ok, maybe that's a bit far fetched, but, you get the point. if i'm jealous of anything about dave's, it's his bank account. period.

onto the better fish that need fryin-
"How can a band be hated if millions buy their albums and go to their concerts? Are U2/Beatles/Bowie/Led Zep bad & hated in your parallel universe too?
As for listening only to bands on major labels, whats up with that? Being on a label is irrelevent to the actual music."

ahem,
it was stated before, no taste. that's how. the mindless asses that make up the record buying public account for 7/8 of the industry. no accounting for tastes, i suppose...
btw- the beatles...OVER-RATED.
zep- good, to a point then start backsliding.
U2- ditto. but, please, none of the mid 80's U2. damn those overly political stances...
bowie- can't slag a man that keeps contemporary. even at his worst, he's still a far cry better than most ever get. including DAVE.

for those that just skip the top of this post, here's reader's digest version...
DMB STILL BLOWS BAGS OF DICK THROUGH THE SACK.
case closed, holmes.

― eded, Friday, 6 June 2003 14:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Scott are you Vin's brother? If so, thats way cool.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 6 June 2003 14:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

because of jealousy!

How can I be jealous of something I think is shit?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 14:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

How can I turn my face into a heart?

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 6 June 2003 14:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

For a group of people who have a supposed love for music, how dare you put down a group of musicians for displaying their talent? Nobody ever said you have to listen to them or even like them so why all the bitching? Besides the only way you would even know about his "hippie foot jig" is if you went to a concert or watched a video; if you don't like, turn it off! You are are sitting here on a website, spending your time talking about a band you hate. In my opinion, Dave is an incredible artist and musician, backed up by a group of amazing musicians. Who are you to judge? Just because it is not your specific taste in music that in no way makes their music bad. He has his own style, which has become rare in the industry. Dave Matthews Band fans do not only listen to Hootie and the Counting Crows. I am an avid fan of DMB, but still listen to many other bands/groups. My taste in music is very diverse and does not stop at Dave. --- In a world where hate, racism and violence are everyday occurances, it is nice to know of a band who promotes the exact opposite. It's the closed minded individuals who do not recognize it. To be honest, I am glad some of you are not fans, it would ruin the whole dynamic of it all. Some of guys are so arrogant!

― Danielle, Friday, 6 June 2003 14:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

this is going to be a long a beautiful day.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 6 June 2003 14:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

You said that right.

how dare you put down a group of musicians for displaying their talent?

Precisely.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 14:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

You need to stop the hatin' on Dave. DMB are a terrifially talented band who write great songs, play their instruments well , sing with passion and write about important issues. You 'music fans' here can keep your alternative rock rubbish like Nirvana , Pearl jam , Sonic Youth and Pixies and leave the genius of real music like Dave Matthews to the millions of real music fans worldwide. Thats why they've sold millions of albums and gigs sell out instantly.

― Tina R, Friday, 6 June 2003 15:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

Also why do some people keep going on about regular date rapes while listening to dave? Wheres the evidence to back this up?

― Tina T, Friday, 6 June 2003 15:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

As a wise man once said, 50,000,000 Elvis fans can't be wrong. And I'll bet very few of those Elvis fans like DMB, hence we are just following the hive mind.

You 'music fans' here can keep your alternative rock rubbish like Nirvana , Pearl jam , Sonic Youth and Pixies and leave the genius of real music like Dave Matthews to the millions of real music fans worldwide.

That's the idea, I think.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

How insecure are you people in your fandom of DMB that you have to come here and write these rants, anyway? Do you go around telling everyone you know about them?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hippies.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

everyone knows Dave Matthews is ripping off Dewey Bunnell - write your own songs Dave!!!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

I thought that above post by Danielle was by "Darnielle," and read it all in a totally sarcastic tone.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Coming to this website has nothing to do with insecurities in my "fandom". I am simply stating my opinion, as you are. What's up with your insecurities- needing to go to a website and ta

― Danielle, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

― Danielle, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Coming to this website has nothing to do with insecurities in my "fandom". I am simply stating my opinion, as you are. What's up with your insecurities- needing to go to a website and talk crap on a man you don't even know. The bands listed above, I like too. And no, I don't go around telling everone I know about them. Their fan base is large enough that we don't need to recruit. Oh and by the way, at least I have the balls to post my name- NA. It's Danielle, not Darnielle. I don't care what tone you read my post in, just as long as you get the point, which I doubt.

― Danielle, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

you really hit that submit one a few times there.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

thats because we're not Tripping Billies.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

I fell asleep at a Dave Matthews Band concert in Cincinnati once. I was awakened by a group of fraternity boys drunkenly shout-chanting "SHOW YR TITS! SHOW YR TITS!". The girls obliged.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Frat Boys, beer, tits, Dave Matthews Band...its like peanut butter and jelly.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

nick you have awful taste. I mean, just what the hell were you doing at a dave matthews gig?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Do any of you actually go to college?

― Danielle, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

nick you have awful taste. I mean, just what the hell were you doing at a dave matthews gig?

falling asleep, apparently.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

Frat Boys, beer, tits, Dave Matthews Band...its like peanut butter and jelly.
More like generic peanut butter and KY jelly.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

ho ho sterling. ho ho...

''Do any of you actually go to college?''

making assumptions now are we?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

There's the answer we're looking for. "College band"

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

My friend Ryan bought me a ticket to that concert in exchange for me driving his not-having-a-driver's-license-at-20-years-old ass up there. Bela Fleck & the Flecktones opened up the show, they were fucking OUTSTANDING as always. I got really high when DMB came on. I kinda enjoyed their drummer's solo, and I saw tittehs.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

But yes it's true I have awful taste. My being at a DMB concert, howevah, was unrelated to my bad taste. My owning Ani DiFranco albums is.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

from an alternative universe....
"Dafe Mettyews Bend iss Guut, Ja? Now iss the time on Schprockets vere ve Jam."
(*Deiter starts doing a watery hippie-dippy dance* while Phish plays on in the background*)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

Lord custos was that a 'college boy' joke?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 June 2003 17:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

Danielle - my post about your name was not an insult, it was a reference to a regular ILX poster.

I went to a college here in Virginia, so of course, DMB was extremely popular there. This omnipresence is one of the main reasons why people hate him so much.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 6 June 2003 17:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

No, not really. I don't know what it is. I was just channeling my inner sarcastic smartass. The thread was getting too grim and serious and required a visit by Deiter from Sprockets....but I had to alter him to fit the thread.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 6 June 2003 17:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

"...the genius of real music like Dave Matthews to the millions of real music fans worldwide..."

wow...
this is so fraught with idiocy, i just can't bear to tear it apart...

"genius", "real music", "music fans"
need i go on?

― edde, Friday, 6 June 2003 17:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

"...the genius of real music like Dave Matthews to the millions of real music fans worldwide..."
I'm going to ignore the impulse to spout some sort of "Can 10 Million DMB fans be Wrong? Or right for that matter" sarcastic comment.
Instead, I will ask this:

DMB fans are "real" music fans, how, exactly?; (ie. how does this differ from a "fake" music fan? How does one know that they are a "fake" music fan? Does a "fake" music fan even exist? Wouldn't a music fan be a music fan regardless of what other people think?) And where does the DMB get off declaring the "reality status" of other people? Who died and declared them to be (God|arbiters of taste|definers of reality)?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 6 June 2003 17:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

I am not making assumptions, I am just wondering why some of the people here assuming why all fans are frat boys in college drinking beer. And sterling? Come on, anything but a horse.

― Danielle, Friday, 6 June 2003 17:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm willing to guess O.A.R. is popular among DMB fans.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 6 June 2003 17:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

I work with a great deal of late-30s/early-40s age women who like Dave Matthews Band. I know little kids who like Dave Matthews Band. I know this one guitarist that really likes them. I know approximately 120 hippies and college kids that HATE Dave Matthews Band.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 6 June 2003 17:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Those are some wise hippies you know. Cultivate them and let them flourish.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 17:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

I work with a great deal of late-30s/early-40s age women who like Dave Matthews Band.

Yeah, there are a couple of women in my company that like DMB because they think he is hot -- wtf??? Is he like the Sting of the new millenia?

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 6 June 2003 17:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

I know little kids who like Dave Matthews Band.

my day, ruined.

― Aaron A., Friday, 6 June 2003 17:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't understand why everyone says that "all DMB fans are white fratboys or accountants" The band and the audience are multi-racial. The show I have attended have all been of equal amounts of male/female and white/non-white music fans. Also I know many fans who have never been to college or are accountants or lawyers. Dave Matthews Band is the best live act i have ever seen. Better than any band mentioned here.

― Lynn Rembrandt, Friday, 6 June 2003 18:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

And exactly how many live acts have you seen?

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 6 June 2003 18:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews Cover Band blow the Dave Matthews Band away. Dave lost touch with his roots, he lost the eye of the tiger. DMCB remember what it's about - THE MUSIC. It's a shame so many so-called Dave Matthews fans can't wake up to this reality. Apologists, the lot of you!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 6 June 2003 18:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB's the new jazz. For serious.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 6 June 2003 18:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

And exactly how many live acts have you seen?

Shh, Nicole, you're giving it away!

Lynn, Danielle, etc. -- yeah, there are plenty of cheap shots on this thread and I've delivered a few. But what it all boils down to for a lot of us is this -- we just don't find his music interesting in the slightest, and in some cases we just outright hate it. This has nothing to do with jealousy over his success or how much he sells or anything like that, and I have to say I think it's a bit sad that you're always constantly resorting to that argument, or so it seems. You should be arguing from the strength of whether or not you like the music first and foremost. My own passion for the groups I love -- My Bloody Valentine, the Walkabouts and so forth -- is just as strong as yours is for DMB, I've no doubt of it. But trying to argue that we should like DMB because of their sales or the size of their fanbase is like arguing we should all like McDonald's because they're the biggest in the business. Do you apply that line of thinking to the rest of your life? I'm guessing not.

The other thing that's strange -- and a bit amusing -- is that you're coming in here to defend DMB (not a problem there), shocked by the idea that people might disagree with you (that IS a problem), demanding in some cases that we all leave you alone with our opinions (have we been invading DMB fan boards or something? you all came here, and you didn't have to post or read anything!) and basically doing nothing to convince us of anything else other than the fact that you really really like DMB. Which is great. I don't, neither do a lot of other people here, and we don't have to change our minds because you say so. I'm not expecting to change YOUR mind with my thoughts! That would be pointless.

And if you say, "But if you just listen to the music!" Well, I have, I still remember when I got a copy of Under the Table to review almost ten years ago at the paper I was doing music reviewing for at the time. Didn't like it then, everything I've heard from him since has been to my ears anonymous, boring and dull. I'm sure everyone else here who has expressed similar opinions has had similar experiences. Choosing to write off our own encounters with his music as being nothing but close-minded jealousy or annoyance would be just the same as if we said -- in all seriousness, regardless of whatever frat-guy/lawyer jokes have been made -- that you only listen to DMB because they were successful, because they had a huge fanbase, as opposed to whether or not you actually enjoyed the music.

If you want to take the random jokes (and I'm not pretending everything here has been brilliant, certainly not from me) in all seriousness and get on your high horse about it every time, well, that's your worry and not ours. The fact that we haven't seen an ounce of humor from your end of things unfortunately just makes you all seem like you're so insistent or incredulous about others not being fans that you're almost, well, comical -- and that's why my crack about being 'insecure,' in that those who speak the loudest often seem to be hiding something.

And there you go.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 18:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

When I came to this website, I knew what to expect. I have been a fan for years... long before they became a success. In my posts, I never referred to how many cd's they have sold or the amount of money they have brought in. That to me is not important because money does not reflect their music. I am a fan because of who they are and what they stand for. I have never told anyone "if you just listen to the music...". I have frinds who hate the band as much as many of you do, but I don't try to press it on them. I speak loud not because I am hiding someting, but because I am a very opinionated person (I also like to argue). Besides, I find this very amusing, to say the least. I see the humor, and really it is all very entertaining (the reason you have not seen the humor from my end is because all the jokes just happened to be pointed toward the very band I like). I am not here to "convert" you; honestly, I am just trying to waste time while at work. It would be a losing battle to seriously go up against all of you! None of you are wrong to voice your oppinion on the band, it's your given right; I have no right to take it from you or tell you your wrong.

--I appreciate the post Ned, points well made.

― Danielle, Friday, 6 June 2003 19:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

First of all, this is REAL music. Besides underground stuff, what bands actually make music that is worth listening to? That doesn't only talk about sex or drugs? Not many, that's for sure. For those who think that it's boring, all the same,and conveys no real message...maybe you should try actually listenin to them, instead of just the singles or a few live clips that they show on VH1. Why you would want to knock on something that makes so many people feel good, and helps them through times is way beyond what I can comprehend. They are a group of TALENTED (empasis on talented, because most of the stuff out there doesn't take much effort/talent) musicians that don't do it just for the money, which is very rare these days. Yes, the music sometimes about death...but understand, or at least respect the fact that it is good music, and don't crack on the fans or especially them. I'm sure they can do more than you can, and if you actually listed to the lyrics of songs other than the most popular ones you might see why they have such a large and diverse fan base. You can debate it all you want, but it boils down to the fact that EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN TASTES AND OPINIONS. So keep your hatred to yourself, because you can't debate taste.

― allison, Friday, 6 June 2003 19:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

dadyzgrrl!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 6 June 2003 19:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

I am utterly in love with this thread

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 6 June 2003 19:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

JOhn D., please refrain from posting the Joke all over this page. That's my scthick....get your own.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 June 2003 19:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

So why is it that you hate them?--because of jealousy!

No, because of abject ennui. The music of the Dave Matthews Band bores me to absolute tears. Sorry, but it does. If you bothered to expand your horizons a bit more, you'd hear how yawnsome and ordinary their music quite irrefutably is.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for reading my post in such detail, Allison. I'll keep my hatred to myself if you keep your fandom to yourself. ;-)

Yer welcome, Danielle. Personally I think humor about my favorite bands is one of the things that keeps them human and keeps my own thoughts from being too full of themselves, but that is me. ;-) Stick around the boards, opinionated people always welcome. As Alex in NYC notes far above, he came here in very similar circumstances.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

Moreover, stick around long enough and play nice with everybody, and you're likely to sway a few people over to your way of thinking. The armies of Killing Joke have swelled in the ranks since I've infected these boards. Muahahahaha.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

I know little kids who like Dave Matthews Band.
Yeah, but kids like Barney and the Teletubbies, too, but you won't find any sensible human being buying rekkid by them. (Even as Kitsch!)
Why do I suddenly have nightmarish mental images of some sort of DMB Hitler Youth cult popping up in 2015?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

So keep your hatred to yourself, because you can't debate taste.

With all due respect, Allison, it seems kind of disingenuous of you to accuse other people of being haters just because they don't like one band when earlier you wrote this: "First of all, this is REAL music. Besides underground stuff, what bands actually make music that is worth listening to?" So you basically hate all popular music except for DMB, and then you accuse people of being haters just because they don't like DMB?

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

the Teletubbies record is actually pretty incredible

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

i'd give them a 7 out of 100, but I can't dance to them. Besides, the yellow one can't drum for shit.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB have no concept of subtlety in their compositions and play with a frightening lack of emotion. Dave's voice sounds like he's horribly tired all the time. They have always come across to me as a semipleasant and thoroughly mediocre noise, not unlike refrigerator hum or a clothes dryer. It just seems like they made a decision to put no investment into their music - Dave especially seems as if he's completely detached from his own songs, especially 'Satellite' which is so boring and omnipresent it's like the musical equivalent of a 3-color weather map.

― Millar (Millar), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Given a choice between DMB and MMW, I will choose MMW every time. Likewise The Grassy Knoll, String Cheese Incident, and Buckshot LeFonque.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

Never in my life would I have thought I would actually be accepted on a Dave Sucks post board.

-PS. teletubbies kick ass.

― Danielle, Friday, 6 June 2003 20:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

"It's a shame so many so-called Dave Matthews fans can't wake up to this reality. Apologists, the lot of you!"

--Awwww thanks. Apology accepted.

― Danielle, Friday, 6 June 2003 20:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ah, think of it this way, Danielle -- if you go up to the top of this page and click on that link that says 'I Love Music,' you'll find we talk about a lot of different things. And the same applies if you go over to 'I Love Everything.' :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 20:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

Danielle is misunderstanding the world "apologists" shockah!

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 6 June 2003 21:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

the word "apologists", is what I meant. of course. see what happens when you try to type fast before your boss comes over to check up on you?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 6 June 2003 21:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

I didn't say that I hated popular music. DMB is somewhat popular music...I was just stating MY OPINION. I also didn't say that anyone was a "hater", just wondered why you could put down a band that you obviously know nothing about.

― Allison, Friday, 6 June 2003 21:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Er, Allison, I think the point is that as I said a lot of us DO know something about them...and find what we hear wanting.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 21:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

the day the kids are bored with sex and drugs...man, i dunno, man...

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 June 2003 21:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

i mean, i'd have to be tripping my balls off and getting a blow and rim job simultaneously to sit through a dave matthews concert, so whadda i know

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 June 2003 21:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Maybe you do, but I'm pretty sure most of them don't. I really don't care if you like them or not, and I'm suprised at myself that I'm even bothering to defend them when I can't change your opinion of the band anyway. They're one of those bands that you either love or you hate...and I'm not trying to make you like them. Maybe you've said it before (I'm too lazy to look back at all your posts) but I'm just still curious why exactly you hate them?
Just FYI, for the guys that think we go to concerts to have sex and get high...just do me a favor and take your head out of your arse for one second, just long enough to get a freakin life. Then you can put it right back up there, I promise.

― allison, Friday, 6 June 2003 22:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm just still curious why exactly you hate them?

*shrug* Why do we not like anything? You've heard bands that just bore you, right? They don't do anything for you, they just seem pretty lazy and dull? That's about how I feel about DMB, everything I've heard from them seems really undramatic, unexciting, bland. I can't put it any more plainly than that, there's no excitement, no beauty, no theatricality, no innovation, for me at least.

Telling me they're the greatest thing ever, well, that's opinion. Telling me that it's "REAL music" and implying that I don't like them means I don't like music (real or not), that's an attitude I admit hating.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 22:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

I didn't mean it that way. I meant "real music" as in having values of amazing musicians in the past. Half of the music that's played today I would hardly call "real music" or even good music for that matter..again, it's my opinion (and not the subject at hand, either).
Have you ever seen a live performance of them, like not as a music video or just a clip on TV? It's hardly boring, I'd say it was very exciting and innovating, actually. Watch even a DVD of a live performance and you won't be bored, I can promise that.
I'll admit, the singles they've put out aren't their best, and don't exhibit their talent or enthusiasm very well. Try listening to something that wasn't commercialized for MTV and you'll get a better representation of what they really are.
I really didn't like them at first either, when I only heard a few singes and a track or two from my friend's CD's. Then I bought a live album and have been loving the music ever since. Just a suggestion...try something live.

― Allison, Friday, 6 June 2003 23:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

Can't stand the voice (as Ned said, you can't really get past something like that).
Annoying saxophone playing that lacks any emotional variety.
Boring rhythms.
The drums don't kick, the bass doesn't thump, the melodies aren't very pretty.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 6 June 2003 23:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well, 'values of amazing musicians of the past' in and of itself isn't necessarily a selling point for how I will respond to something. This isn't to knock either something that is old or skilled/trained in a conventional sense, but merely to note no matter how much somebody says something is worthwhile, technically proficient, etc., if I hear it and I get a negative reaction, then there we are. There are plenty of people whose technical skill I'll freely acknowledge -- Clapton knows how to play guitar, Eminem certainly has skills on the mic. But I don't like/am not moved by the end results, and the whole world can shout at me about 'em but that doesn't mean I have to change my mind. What matters is what I hear, not whatever experience or ability an individual performer can bring to the table. That obviously influences what is made, of course, but if there was a sliding scale that everyone agrees on that defines 'real music' or else demonstrates that we can all agree on what is good music and what isn't, then nobody has shown it to anyone yet. ;-)

I haven't seen a live performance of them, no. I can't say I will either -- I have bills to pay, things to save for, and other shows I would want to see more than them. If I can't get any excitement from their music in studio, or what live material I've heard -- and I've heard enough over time, from various sources -- then I don't see any reason to pursue it further. Should someone play a DVD of theirs at me one day, I'll take note of it, but there are other DVDs I'd rather buy. Even if I did hear something that way, though, there's no guarantee that I'd change my mind any more on the matter.

Sure, I've gone through similar experiences like yours, I think we all have -- hearing something that initially just grates or annoys but eventually wins you over. I think that's natural, healthy even. But like I said above, I've gone on for ten years now with his music meaning nothing to me, and the older I get the more I want to concentrate on listening to other things that do capture my interest, that stir my soul and send more, instead of trying to spend time and/or money dealing with something that hasn't worked for me at all. That, I think, is just part of being human.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 23:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

When you're playing a set part, there's only so much variety you can put into a part. If you think the drums don't "kick" you're not listening hard enough, Carter is one of the best, and he doesn't need to be pounding as hard as he can like some drummers in order to do his job and do an increible job at it. That's not the point of having drums.
Not all music requires in your face parts. The drums don't need to "kick" on all the songs, just as the bass doesn't need to "thump" on all the songs. It's called balance...give one instrument the lead part and everything else just helps them out.
Thanks Ned, for actually being mature...which is more than I can say for most on this boad. BUT...If you feel that you shouldn't waist time trying to listen and understand where I'm coming from, I don't think putting the music down that you don't understand anyway is the most useful way to spend your time, either. *sigh* I'll say again that I was only stating my opinion of what "real" and "good" music is, not trying to force it on anyone.

― Allison, Saturday, 7 June 2003 00:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yer welcome Allison, and trust me, there were times (probably still are here and there!) when I think to myself about a band I really like, "Man, this music is SO DAMN GOOD, who in the world could not like it?" But my perspective now is more the fact that people will choose their pleasures as they find them -- it's still good to encourage others to check things out, but it's also good to realize that ultimately their decision is their own to make about their choice in priorities, what they want to spend their time doing, listening to, etc. And I'll only add this -- I might not 'understand' the music in the same way as you do when it comes to DMB, no, but I have experienced it, I have listened to it, and I just plain don't like it. It isn't some lack of comprehension on my part, merely my experience talking. That is what drives all of our decisions about art at heart, our individual experience.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 June 2003 00:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well said. As long as you at least respect their musicality, because there's no denying that they have a lot of talent, I can understand why/how you couldn't like them...but that doesn't mean I have to like it =P I just wish others could feel the same way I do about them, or at least just be able to relate to it.

― allison, Saturday, 7 June 2003 00:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

I will be the first to admit that Dave Matthews Band is a band that needs to be aquired. In the respects of say a pop fan to a metal fan you wouldn't be a Britney fan and go up to Metallica and talk crap or vice versa. I am not one to criticize ANYTHING. I enjoy all types of music from Dave to say Metallica to something pop. I am very open minded but when I see such hatred comming from this web site it makes me sick. I don't go to a slipknot web site and express my feelings on their music. I don't expect eveyone to understand my views but I do expect everyone to know that hatred dosen't get you anywhere in life and while you are allowed in the United States to express your voice most people try to do it tastefully unless your name is Natalie Maines(of the Dixie Chicks whom said some un needed comments about President Bush and about Toby Keith then was seen supporting a shirt that said F.U.T.K.)She needs to be more tasteful with her comments before she looses all her fan base.

― dmbfan012003, Saturday, 7 June 2003 01:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

I am actually glad not everybody feels the same way as I do about DMB. It creates a diverse community. Often times who do not like the band bring new music to me and opens my eyes to other stuff. Keeps things lively... for a music lover.
Ned, what are some bands you are crazy about?

― Danielle, Saturday, 7 June 2003 01:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ned, why do I feel like you're our camp counselor all of a sudden? ;)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Saturday, 7 June 2003 01:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

it's the yarn basket and popsicle sticks

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 02:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

dmbfan012003 I think you will find that most here don't think what Natalie Maines said about President Bush was unnecessary. She will be backed up. The man is a moron. As is Toby Keith. Toby Keith is a redneck asshole. Simple as that. But I fail to see what any of this is to do with Dave Matthews (who was against the war) or this board where the subject wasnt being discussed.

― Blue Eyed Monster, Saturday, 7 June 2003 02:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I agree. Well said.

― Danielle, Saturday, 7 June 2003 02:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

because Ned is the only person with anything intelligent to say. the rest of you guys are babbling and a bunch of b.s.

― Jay, Saturday, 7 June 2003 02:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think I resent that comment.

― Danielle, Saturday, 7 June 2003 02:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

Bland and inoffensive as Dave Matthews is, comments like yours, dmbfan, are exactly why I want to key an SUV every time I hear his name. You can keep Dave Matthews and your jingo redneck-wannabe Toby Keith, too. And keep your "taste"--it's just old skool hatred in nicer clothes. I wouldn't worry too much about Natalie Maines; her lack of "good taste" hasn't hurt her or her band yet.

― Paul Ess, Saturday, 7 June 2003 03:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ned, what are some bands you are crazy about?

Well, my fave all time band ever is pretty obscure in terms of the mainstream -- My Bloody Valentine, an Irish/English group from the mid eighties through the early nineties. Fave album, fave song, fave concert, all them down the line. Second fave band is the Chameleons, a Manchester band from the eighties who recently reunited and are hopefully still together though I've been hearing some odd news. In terms of more famous acts, I'd name all sorts of characters, but I'm a product of my time in many ways, so up near the top would be Depeche Mode, the Cure, New Order (and Joy Division for sure), the Pet Shop Boys, the Smiths, Prince and many others. And definitely the Smashing Pumpkins, much to everyone's annoyance around here. ;-) Then there's other obscure bands like the Walkabouts, Disco Inferno, Marc Almond's solo material (at least in the States), older bands like T. Rex, older singers like Scott Walker and David Bowie, etc. etc. Newer things, I don't have too many bands per se I obsess over as much, but that list can go on too -- very much enjoy Timbaland and Missy Elliott as producers and often performers, though. I sorta more appreciate the Neptunes now as producers but I still think they're astonishingly overrated. Then there's the more obscure drone stuff and random newer electronic acts and unknown goth things and random noise projects from New Zealand and my friends with bands like Celesteville and the Minor Thirds and Lance Lockarm and the International Telepaths and...

Ned, why do I feel like you're our camp counselor all of a sudden? ;)

;-) My friend, think of it this way -- isn't it better to talk than insult? :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 June 2003 03:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews came from the same circuit as Hootie and has the same fans.

I'm a Dave Matthews Band fan and I cant stand Hootie. All of you that are dissing Dave and his band, obviously haven't given him a chance. Actually try to listen to them then you may discover that they aren't bad. Dont judge them without knowing what they are all about. They are making millions and usually boring music doesn't do that. The reason for that is because they are great musicians. I love all kinds of music so dont even try judging the fans either. You dont know them or me you have no right to say stuff about us. Sure some of you may be offended about his one line "hike up your skirt a little more and show the world to me" come on its not nearly as bad as half the rap that is played twice or sometimes 3 times as much as what Dave gets played on the radio.

― Kara, Saturday, 7 June 2003 03:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

You're cool for sharing the same name as my sister. :-) But do please read above -- as I've said, I've heard 'em, others have too, we're agreed they're just not our thing. Ultimately, what's a better use of energy -- learning to love a band you already enjoy even more, also finding out about other bands you might like, or doggedly insisting to those who don't like a band you love that they're wrong?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 June 2003 03:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

i actually like this thread a lot. its making me feel friendly...
I would like to politely point out a few quick things to those that are joing us for the first time:

1. As mentioned above, there are many, many different topics on this board, and to imagine this thread as representative of the entire board, and everyone who posts here is, though maybe an easy mistake to make, stil a mistake.

2. This board is populated by many, many different people. Some of them are well-known and well-regarded musicians, and others are w-k and w-r writers. Some people on this board write for nationally-distributed periodicals, and some have even published their own books. Some here are probably preparing to celebrate the purchase of their 10,000th CD, so it is wise to know who you are talking to before making accusations.

3. If you want to convince us to love any band at all, it is better to state what you like about the group, and it helps to be very specific. Name particular songs, particular moments in songs, and why they make you happy.

4. Its good to be aware of the nature of your language. To say a band is "the best" is to implicate other bands as somehow being worse, even ones you have not heard. On the other hand, to say you like a particular band is quite different.

5. Many on this board are open to pop music, even the "fake" stuff. Why? Well, here is an example: I like some Rap, but I am unimpressed by the music of 50 Cent. However, millions do love his music, and I tend to wonder why. Since I am actually curious, I do my best to hear his music, and try to understand why anyone would like it. Sometimes when I go through this process, my mind is changed (as it was in the case of Aaliyah). In other cases, I continue to dislike the particular music (I cant get past 50s monotone, and his mealy-mouthed delivery, and his productions seems uninspired), but I understand why someone else would like it (some of those tracks could be fun to hear in a club, and his image probably plays an important role as well). Coming to terms is an important process of making opionions and expressing them. If you find yourself asking "why would anyone in their right mind listen to this?", you have to do research and answer that question first before dismissing the music.
(id would actually be interested to see some of the prime DMB hatahs on this board do that ;-)
6. Lastly, the idea of a band or musician being "real" or "fake" does not hold much sway here. What makes an artist "fake" or "real"?
- Clothing? But both Britney and DM are aware of what they are wearing, and what image they are trying to project, and that self-awareness makes it hard to say one is more "real" than the other (this goes for Pavement too ya'll). Our culture certainly has definitions about what looking "real" is, but, if you try to fit these definitions self-consciously, couldn't that make you "fake"?
- Is an artist singing his or her own songs more "real" than an artist who doesnt? Before the advent of rock, it was very common for artists to sing or play the songs of others. Is Miles Davis fake? Talentless? Whatever you think of his music, it did impact the DMB. He is one of the inventors of fusion, meaning one of the first to combine jazz, rock and pop, which is what the DMB does, in their own way.
- If it is more "real" to be a great technical player", well, not all of the best artists were or are great technical players. To use Miles Davis as an example again, he is not considered, by many jazz aficionados, to be one of the great technical trumpeters. He could not play very quickly compared to many, and he was weak with higher notes. He used his technique, however, to great adavantage, and some of his best and most innovative music came out of his acceptance of his limitations. He knew he couldnt play fast like Dizzy Gillespie, so he focused on making music suited to his style. So again, technique is not everything, the results are more important. Additionally, not all of the best music is made with intruments. Electronic music, in its various forms, has been around since least the 50s, and electronic instruments have been around since the turn of the century. Many predate the electric guitar, so to say that they are "fake", or that the music made with them is "fake" sounds odd to those who are aware of this history. Each style of electronic music, whether it is Musique Concrete, or Acid House, has its own history, its own reasons for existing, and, most importantly, its own possibility of pleasing ears, of meaing something, of even, dare I say, changing lives, even in the same way that DMB does. Its all a matter of coming to terms. Additionally, every piece of music that has been recorded has been affected by technology. Even if I were to do an album of acoustic guitar and singing (more "real", right?), the sound of the album, and therefore how you perceive it, will be affected by what microphones I use, and what medium the music was placed on (tape, my computer, etc.). Rock bands, for years, have been, for the most part, spending ages in the studio, cutting and splicing, tweaking and filtering, to hone their product, and this part of the process is just as important as the songs and performances. Rock music, in the sudio at least, is usually just as produced and manufactured as pop music. At the end of the process, it sounds like 4 or 5 people were in a room playing music together at the same time, but this is usaully not the case, especially when the band is rich and famous and can afford to take their time.

Nobody is perfect, and it is a challenge to discuss any topic with the ideals listed above constantly in mind...

I am going to rest and then get on to my feelings RE DMB...

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 7 June 2003 04:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

For fucks sake all the grumpy pedantry on this thread from ILX regulars makes me REALLY WANT to like DMB.

Then I remember that DeRogatis likes DMB and I'm torn between two taste gestures.

One of these days I'll get around to listening to the music again so I can decide if I like them based on something other than indirect considerations but meanwhile Ned and Aaron need to lighten the fuck up and *listen* for a change to the points that foax are making.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 7 June 2003 05:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

i.e. don't wave yr. "some of us are musicians and *published critics*" dicks around (aaron I'm looking at you!) and if the fans ain't articulating the most cogently, help them articulate insteada just teasing them then going on to explain how everyone's tastes are all difft. Otherwise yr. playing the TRL "rool/drool" game moreso even than the DMB fans.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 7 June 2003 05:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sterling I think Ned's being extreeeemely gracious and fair. as for dmb, to be fair I think they only became really awful when they stopped sounding like Chicago (whereas Chicago only got better when they stopped sounding like Chicago). It does seem like a bit of an injustice that Dave Matthews gets a career and Darius Rucker is struck with flukedom, but it's not a historical injustice.

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 05:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

I have just figured out how to italicize hence the curious usage of it.

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 05:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

If you think the drums don't "kick" you're not listening hard enough,

I'm talking about the actual EQ/mixing/micing of the drum. Listening closely is the exact opposite of what needs to be done in order to hear what I'd like to hear. I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong w/the drumming (or any other aspect of DMB), just that it doesn't appeal to me.

Not all music requires in your face parts. The drums don't need to "kick" on all the songs, just as the bass doesn't need to "thump" on all the songs. It's called balance...give one instrument the lead part and everything else just helps them out.

True, although you kind of derided your point: I don't think something is balanced if one instrument has the lead. I listen to tons of mellow stuff--I don't need something to be loud and aggressive to affect me. What I'm saying is that the drums NEVER kicks, the bass NEVER thumps. There's no funk, no heavy rhythm, no swinging groove, no woozy psychedelia, no sublime harmonies, no nothin' that I like. It all just seems very watered-down.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 7 June 2003 05:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Damn Aaron, a quick synopsis would have been great. Good points, yet it's hard to stay focused for so long!

― Danielle, Saturday, 7 June 2003 06:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

ned and aaron were really fair sterling and ppl's tastes are all difft so what are you on abt?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 June 2003 08:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

That's my point....sometimes the drums DO kick, but not when everybdy else is kicking at the same time. I meant balance like, everyone has the spotlight at different times..should have made that more clear. Some people don't like thumpin and kicking, either.

― Allison, Saturday, 7 June 2003 09:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

My point, which went overlooked, nd probably deservedly so, was that it doesn't matter whether the rhythm 'kicks' or the fucking fiddle 'wigs out' or if Dave gets all 'googly-moogly' on the vox or with his little guitar there - none of these technical aspects matters ONE WHIT as long as Dave and his hired trop continue to maintain such an emotional distance from the music. It feels like acoustipopical surgery, like be careful and don't infect anything, we have to make sure nobody gets any IDEAS, God Forbid, etc.

― Millar (Millar), Saturday, 7 June 2003 09:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Way back in the fold of this thread, someone (I believe Dan) posted:

Pretty much EVERY band's fans has negative stereotypes

Amen! And just to prove it, I shall name some of my absolute favorite musical artists and give you the stereotypes (all false, mind you) that come along with them:

Duran Duran, Scritti Politti, Tears for Fears: I am some former teenybopper who's also a holdover from the '80s. I wear lots of pink, frilly things, like to read old issues of Smash Hits, and talk like a Valley Girl IRL.

The Cure, Depeche Mode, Belfegore, Siouxsie & the Banshees: I am a goth (as opposed to a Visigoth, which is something completely different) who is nothing but sour and darkness. I wear nothing but black, look like the undead, write bad, melodramatic poetry, and spend my days moping about.

David Sylvian, Bryan Ferry: I am nothing but creaking bones. I cannot handle "real rock & roll" (obviously wrong as I'm also a huge Nirvana fan), but rather listen to soft, mellow songs instead.

And yes, I love U2 as well. I'm in the minority here, obviously, but I do quite like U2's songs. But that doesn't mean I'm going to follow every little thing Bono says and agree with it. I mean, he's sung the praises of Destiny's Child, for Pete's sake, and I'm absolutely in no way even remotely inclined to try them out.

Oh yes, and to all the Dave Matthews Band fans who might still be reading this thread: You think YOU'VE gotten grief over being fans of the band. Huh. At least many music critics and most of the mainstream music press seem to take your favorite band seriously. One of my biggest obsessions has been with Duran Duran -- they've never gotten a single positive review ever, as far as I know. Not only that, they get lampooned by pretty much everyone in the music press (save for the ones who happen to post here). I've taken a lot of shit for being a Duran fan, but that hasn't stopped me from being a fan. In fact, it's strengthened my fanhood tremendously.

Presently, seeing as though I've matured a bit, someone can tell me they don't like any one of the artists I adore and I wouldn't have a problem with that. So long as the individual's not saying anything bad about ME, PERSONALLY (which I have not seen in this thread), I don't mind.

― Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 7 June 2003 10:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dee all yr stereotypes are TOTALLY 1995, that shit is lame

― Millar (Millar), Saturday, 7 June 2003 10:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

dmbfan012003 Natalie Maines increased her credibility by about 100% with her comments. Her comments were most welcome.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 11:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ned and Aaron need to lighten the fuck upand *listen* for a change to the points that foax are making.

That's a bit rich, Sterling.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 June 2003 13:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

dmbfan012003 Natalie Maines increased her credibility by about 100% with her comments. Her comments were most welcome.
Amen to that, Brother.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 7 June 2003 13:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

The guy I know who likes Dave Matthews talks of going to the shows the same way you might talk about going to visit the Duff factory. DMB seem to be more of an institution than a band as far as I can see, I mean fair enough people have their tastes, that's fine, but the tetchy and manic desire for conformity from the DMB mafia on this thread says it all really.

Heaven forbid some people think "DAVE" is shit! They obviously haven't heard him, or or or are jealous, or or or are arrogant and mean, they couldn't possibly just think his music is total fucking wank, oh no, there must be some outrageous ulterior motive, maybe a big corporation or nike shoes or george w or a foetus or heres whatever yeah dave matthews band rocks.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 June 2003 14:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

b-b-b-but Ronan...in 20 years, all these DMB fans will be writing for Rolling Stone, and DMB will get "Critically Reassessed"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 7 June 2003 14:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

This is really the thread that would not die, isn't it.

I'm sure I've said this here before, but whatever. Any zealous declarations of fandom (i.e. "Killing Joke Uber Alles!" or "DMB RULES!") will immediately render any opinion you could submit moot, as you're subtracted any semblance of objectivity from your argument. Moreover, statements like "DMB play REAL music and you're just jealous" is as effective an approach as "my Dad can beat up YOUR Dad!" It's pointless and devoid of any real merit in the course of a debate.

Yes, taste is indeed all relative, but you still have to be able to back up your arguments with more than that. Convince me that you've listened to a myriad other artists and still come back to DMB and you'll be waging a stronger campaign to win me over.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 June 2003 15:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

Gymnastics rules!

― Chris V. (Chris V), Saturday, 7 June 2003 15:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

Wow...this board just went down the tube again. Thought for a while there people could act normal and not throw hissy fits. Heaven forbid there's an actual rational, intelligent conversation. *gasp*

― Allison, Saturday, 7 June 2003 16:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

this is the internet you know. all sorts hang around here.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 June 2003 16:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

But that doesn't mean I'm going to follow every little thing Bono says and agree with it. I mean, he's sung the praises of Destiny's Child, for Pete's sake,

A rare occasion when I would urge you to listen to Bono, Dee.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 7 June 2003 16:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's like some of you are saying we think the band can do no wrong. That we're so into the conformity that we don't care what the music sounds like. Have you read any reviews or fan comments from the last two albums? Some fans that have been their fans for like 10 years weren't afraid to say that they didn't like the new stuff...that's hardly idol worship. We'll be the first to step up and admit when we don't like something that they do. No band is perfect, of course...so there's no need to pick apart everything that's wrong with them. I like a LOT of other bands besides DMB (some mainstream, some not so much), but they just happen to be my favorite because of just what I was talking about. They aren't like every other band out there.

― allison, Saturday, 7 June 2003 16:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

this thread needs a bongo solo

*bongo solo*

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

can we make this like the Jay-Z fite thread and let it become its own board? that would be awesome (ps millar had a really good point back there. is dmb like mark s' understanding of zappa, ie. something keeps them from engaging with the music or with the ugly parts of themselves?)

― Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

" I like a LOT of other bands besides DMB (some mainstream, some not so much)"
So what are your other favourite bands Allison?
One of the main accusations held against DMB are that most of the fans like major label stuff and ignore(dont know it exists?) the underground. Apart from some other "jam bands".

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

sometimes the drums DO kick
Some people don't like thumpin and kicking, either.

You seems to be hedging your bets. Which is it: do the drums kick? or is it unnecessary for them to do so?
I still think you're misunderstanding me--I'm speaking purely from a engineering/producing perspective. And it's not just the drums; everything seems so tame. There's no sonic distinctiveness to anything. Again, there's nothing inherently wrong w/that, it's just not my--and I'm guessing many others'--cup of tea.

Millar OTM

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't like the hating towards Dave but each to their own. But surely noone here believes that DMB are the worst band in the world. You cant seriously suggest that Staind,Creed,Matchbox Twenty,Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit are better than DMB? Whatever faults the last DMB albums have had they arent coporate trash like those bands.

And should bands be liked by everybody? I dont see how. Bands should be an acquired taste. They shouldnt be like Coca Cola where its marketed for everyone to like. I find the appeal of DMB is that its not marketed like that, it is out of the mainstream.
Most fans arent buying the albums and going to concerts because of mtv/radio hits. And also the fact the music is great and is different to anything else out there.

― Ranglin, Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

You invoke the Chocolate Starfish, you GET the chocolate starfish

keep rollin', baby!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh was that really required Anthony? I just finished my dinner.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

That's the problem, you're assuming that everyone is the same just because it's a popular stereotype. First of all, I like my own band (joppa), which is NOT really a jam band. Rush, Plaid Roadhaven, Bob Marley, Queens of the Stone Age, and Furry Monk to name a few. If that's not diverse enough for you, my appologies.
Mr. "Millar" could you explain a little better what you mean? I think the drums "kick" when they need to, but if they're not in the spotlight all they really need to do is keep everything tight and keep time.

― Allison, Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

'corporate trash': (Foreigner, Journey, REO Speedwagon, Styx) > Limp Bizkit > Matchbox 20 > Linkin Park > Staind > DMB > Creed

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

I got excited there when I thought you said Plaid heh.
I wasn't suggesting you were one of those fans Allison. That is why I was asking what you liked. I was pretty sure you wouldnt be the stereotype judging by what you wrote previously.
What is your band like? Any mp3s available? Most here are always open to hearing new things.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

Where's Nickelback in that equation, James?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sterling I was really surprised to see you missing my point a bit, though that may be my fault. If there is any reason why I, myself, could not be a professional writer, its probably because somebody actually interpreted my post as being pedantic, which was far from my intention. For instance, my reason for bringing up the credentials of some writers on this board, was not to intimidae, or make others feel like they have no authority or right to post, I was only trying to point out that ad hominem attacks were pointless, and were a sure way to lose respect. My only intention above was to state some of what I feel are the assumptions, both critical and musical, that many of us take for granted on this board, in order to help new posters understand why they might feel like they are hitting a brick wall.

I will the the first to admit that I do not meet some of the ideals listed above, but I think some of them are worth striving for. Additionally, I think some of the problems faced in music criticism also apply to other artisitc and social arenas. The unwillngness to come to terms with a different type (of whatever sort), to rely on assumptions and stereotypes, and not understanding or experience, is, to me, a flawed process, one that goes on not only in music but also in interpersonal relationships, and social ones. Sterling, your fervent defence of antiracism over the span of many threads, for instance, creates the expectation, for me, that you are familiar with the process of the willful misunderstanding of others, which is certainly at least part, though not all, of the problem of racism. Again, though the context is different, the underlying logic is similar. The logic itself is problematic, and any views stemming from it are automatically flawed.

Lastly, I spent a lot of time on my post last night, which is maybe why it sounds pedantic, but it is also why I may seem to be missing the point. After a while, I figured it would be better to cover gaffes that may not have been specifically made, just because I happened to think of them while I was writing.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

If you think we are bad Allison, wait until you meet Geir or Calum.
(is it true if you say Geir Hongro 3 times in succession infront of a mirror Geir appears? )

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Creed >>>>>>>>>> Nickelback

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

but here's where it gets loopy: Nickelback > Smashing Pumpkins *ducks*

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

;^)

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

No Franklin. Your testicles tun to jelly and you cant dance to the groove anymore.

― Geirs Funky Grandmother, Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

nah, James, you got it alll backwards. And these better than's are all based on real or imaginary hits collections, not their entire ouvre.

Limp Bizkit > Linkin Park > Foreigner > Smashing Pumpkins > Matchbox 20 > Nickelback > DMB > REO Speedwagon > Creed > Styx > Staind

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

That's what I heard.

No MP3's, we're in the process. It's (I know I said it wasn't a jam band, but it is a teeny bit "jammy")jam/jazz/rock/hard to explain type of music with a lot of freaky keys and meters. You'd have to hear it to understand what I'm saying. And no, it doesn't sound like DMB in the least bit.

― Allison, Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

Journey's really tough because half their hits would be with Foreigner and the other half would be down by Styx.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

No band is perfect, of course

Says you.

Killing Joke is perfect.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 June 2003 18:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alex, apart from Killing Joke. What other bands do you like?

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 19:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

JOhn D., please refrain from posting the Joke all over this page. That's my scthick....get your own.

yes all right Alex, you don't have to be snippy about it though :(

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 7 June 2003 19:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

you don't have to be snippy about it though :(
I'm sorry, JOhn, I should've put a :) after the comment. I didn't mean it as anything other than a.....er....joke. Didn't mean to sound snippy, I promise.

Alex, apart from Killing Joke. What other bands do you like?

Killing Joke will always be my absolute faves, but other than they....in no particular order: Cop Shoot Cop/Firewater, the Misfits, XTC, Devo, the Stranglers, Buzzcocks, the Ramones, Iggy & the Stooges, the Modern Lovers, Kiss, the Birthday Party, Julian Cope, Black Flag, The Wedding Present, Talk Talk, Joy Division/New Order, the Circle Jerks, Gang of Four, the Pop Group, Gavin Friday, Queen, Massive Attack, Motorhead, Anthrax, the Sisters of Mercy, Discipline-era King Crimson, the Velvet Underground, This Mortal Coil, the Smiths, Talking Heads, Bowie, the Cure, the Cult, Theatre of Hate, Kraut, Ch3, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, the Damned......and a bunch more.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 June 2003 20:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Nice to see what some people are into. Out of that i like Stranglers,Buzzcocks,Ramones, Massive Attack,The Cult.
My personal faves are James Brown, Meters,Sly Stone , Massive Attack, Basement Jaxx,Chemical Brothers,Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder,George Clinton, Prince,Isley Brothers,Janes Addiction , Living Colour and Flaming Lips/Mercury rev. Thats off the top of my head.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 20:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Would it be cheeky of me if I linked to this thread? :o)
Musicians you would really punch in the face

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 21:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yes!

― Frank McAteer, Saturday, 7 June 2003 22:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

Any zealous declarations of fandom (i.e. "Killing Joke Uber Alles!" or "DMB RULES!") will immediately render any opinion you could submit moot, as you're subtracted any semblance of objectivity from your argument.
True. True.
But what I want to know is this: Is their a Dave-Matthew-fan equivalent of "honouring the fire"?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 7 June 2003 23:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

False. False. That would mean that in order for your opinion to be valid, you can never really like anything.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 7 June 2003 23:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

The key word there, oops, was "ZEALOUS," as in over-the-top.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 June 2003 23:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

So what is everyones favorite bands/musicians?

― Kara, Sunday, 8 June 2003 05:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Mine are there for all to see Kara.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Sunday, 8 June 2003 06:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

kara- hang around long enough in this board and you'll find out.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 June 2003 09:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

Custos in writing "Matrix Reloaded" shockah!

― J (Jay), Sunday, 8 June 2003 10:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

No DMB fan has done the posting of pics yet. Maybe they dont know how.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Sunday, 8 June 2003 12:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

ouch..that one hurt. No, I don't know how, don't really care how. I'm guessing no one has because this is an anti-dave board, and if anyone posted a picture of DMB they would never hear the end of the whining and bitching from people (like you). I'm sure they just dont want to waist time dealing with it.

― Paige, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's not an "anti-dave board' it's called I Love Music. Where we discuss music of all kinds. Use the search function at the bottom of the page you will find all sorts are discussed. Everyone is welcome here. Im fairly new myself but i find most people are friendly and welcome everyone posting here(apart from Calz for whatever reasons).

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm amazed that I missed this thread the first time around, since I hate Dave Mathews with a passion more fiery than a nova. Of course, my hatred is totally irrational, since the DMB's music is too boring to hate, kinda like late '80s Van Morrison.

― J (Jay), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

It seems to be a common occurence between Americans. Europeans dont care about DMB at all as most have never heard DMB. His visiblility is non existent in Europe. Much the same as Hootie & The Blowfish and Phish and other "jam bands".

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

His visiblility is non existent in Europe. Much the same as Hootie & The Blowfish and Phish and other "jam bands".

Score one for Europe.

― adam (adam), Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

'fairly new here' except for the other nineteen pseudonyms ennit

― Ferg (Ferg), Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

Thats a shame for the europeans.

― Tina T, Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

In ten years time, will anyone still be listening to DMB?

I THINK NOT!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

when he's in town like half of my office takes the day off to pay something like 75 dollars to go see him in a football stadium.

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

afterparty at Chili's!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

this thread is almost heartbreaking

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

People in my office have paid several hundred dollars buying tickets from ebay. Why they didnt purchase them when details were announced i'll never know.

― Tina T, Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

''In ten years time, will anyone still be listening to DMB?
I THINK NOT!''

i don't see why not? ppl listen to kiss and led zep ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

As long as they play, I'm sure people will listen to them. 10 years ago they probably said the same thing about them, and look where they are now.

― Allison, Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

...on the downward slope of their career with DMCB breathing heavy on their neck

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Downward slope? Not quite, buddy. Just gettng started.

― Paige, Sunday, 8 June 2003 19:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh right like they're all of a sudden pull some new trick out of their ass and make some new album that'll just BLOW US ALL AWAY?? Like what, is Dave going to buy a couple dozen Marshall stacks and crank it to 11 and start singing like the guy from Cradle of Filth? Are they going to replace the drummer with Butch Vig? Are they going to make a ska record? No, they're going to make the same record they've made since 1994. Can we start filing this dude in Easy Listening already?

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 8 June 2003 19:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

aaah...i've been saving this thread up to read for ages and it took an hour but it was well worth it. especially as like a few others, i have never heard the dave matthews band, suspect i never will and don't really care... perhaps dave's obsession with stopping "bootleggers" stopped any of his records traversing the atlantic ? any more clarification on the equivalent group that anyone in europe might have heard of (i can't believe that coldplay have loads of improvising soloists or whatever...) ?

― kieron, Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

There's been obvious changes in every record, not that I'd expect you to notice that. I never said their skills would get better...though they have gotten progressively more talented over the years and I don't expect it to stop now. But as long as they make music, I'm sure they'll still have an audience. Since there's no sign of breaking up, their "downward slope" probably won't be in the near future. (sorry)

― paige, Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

Whatever mows yer lawn, Paige.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

some day they'll reach a transcendental state if our calculations of their steady improvement are correct.

at this point the worlds population will merge into one super being, and roam the galaxy looking for skins.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

you can measure their downward slope either in terms of creativity (paige, et. al: do you think Everyday was better than Under the Table and Dreaming?) or in terms of sales/popularity (in which case they peaked five years ago - check the numbers), but pretending they aren't past their peak - however you measure it - just because they're still going to release albums and they still have a fanbase is like pretending Molly Hatchet or Huey Lewis and the News haven't peaker either. Their best days are behind them - the future belongs to DMCB!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

any more clarification on the equivalent group that anyone in europe might have heard of ?

Sting or Yes?

― Brain, Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh please don't compare DMB to Yes. Yes have at least come out with some imaginative music in their day, however noodley and bloated they may irrefutably be.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I am sure Dave Matthews Fans think the same about him.

― Brain, Sunday, 8 June 2003 21:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

That his music is noodley and bloated? I agree.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 June 2003 21:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sting is a much more interesting asshole than Dave Matthews ever will be

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 8 June 2003 21:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

True dat.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 June 2003 21:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

Talentwise, yes. Everyday is better than UTTAD, but the future will tell if their peak has passed, or is yet to come. What is your obsession with the friggen cover band? I saw them in Myrtle beach and they were shit compared to DMB. Plus DMB actually wrote the stuff and is somewhat crative in playing their parts...doesn't take much to just play it how it's written (as DMCB do)

― paige, Sunday, 8 June 2003 21:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

That his music is noodley and bloated? I agree.

haha. Cant see the ones on this board admitting that. Even though its quite true.

― Brain, Sunday, 8 June 2003 23:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

I guess "noodley" and "bloated" are some sort of complex musical terminology that I'm not aware of. What exactly do you mean by them?

― Paige, Sunday, 8 June 2003 23:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

OK, no sarcasm or anything: that's a really, really good question.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 9 June 2003 00:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

Millar: Sting is a much more interesting asshole than Dave Matthews ever will be
Ugh. Although I agree completely with the above statement, it still filled my brane with sudden, horrid mental images of Dave Matthews in a tiny white speedo talking about how yoga lets him fuck for 6 hours straight.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 9 June 2003 00:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

i just always assumed he was stoner rock and that was why he is so huge in boulder.

― keith (keithmcl), Monday, 9 June 2003 00:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

You have a hard time figuring out how one could characterize DMB's music as "noodley" and "bloated"? Do your ears work?

"Noodley" (or might I spell it "noodly" or conceivably "noodlesque") could easily be applied to the band's ceaselessly masturbatory penchant for directionless "jamming" and soloing.

"Bloated," meanwhile, as used towards DMB could aptly sum up both their elephantine conceit of musical prowess and the overall lumpen sonic girth that characterizes their music.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 00:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.

― paige, Monday, 9 June 2003 00:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

despite my general sympathy for the anti-Daveness, I remain convinced that "Crash" is a pretty good song whose chorus resolves in a really pleasant way

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 9 June 2003 00:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Inevitable Subthread:
DuMB vs Booze Traveller vs Cootie an the Blowjobs...FITE!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 9 June 2003 01:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

Blues Traveller > Hootie (but just barely) >>> DMB

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 01:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

"I'm the king of the castle, you're the girl with the asshole, crash into me..."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 June 2003 01:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

You guys are completely insane. There's a lot of bands that I don't like, but I don't feel the need to bash them like this. Generally, people who are mentally and physically satisfied with their own lives don't tend to announce everything that they hate. Arguing about something as utterly subjective as personal taste where it relates to music is pointless.

― Ryan White, Monday, 9 June 2003 02:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

thanks Ryan! moderators plz delete ILM

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 9 June 2003 02:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

But pointing out the pointlessness of others' actions is completely fucking worthwhile

― oops (Oops), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

oops is on fire tonight

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ryan, do you see that we're all arguing about our personal taste in music, both those who love DMB and those who don't? And do you further see that, in their staunch defense of their man, the pro-DMB forces have prolonged the lifespan of this argument by about, oh, three days?

Not that ILMers have a problem with this -- hell, look around the board, that's what we do -- but if you have issues with this, why are you still feeding the flames?

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

(Oh no! Have I killed this thread now? Dammit, Sean, why are you always so rational? Moderator, please delete me from the interweb.)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Cuz he's yet to see the light! Embrace DMCB Ryan! Accept the true faith!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ryan , but THATS the point of ILM.

― Thomas W, Monday, 9 June 2003 07:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

This is the most bizarre thread ... well, in a long time. What happened? where did these people come from? Did someone post a message saying "here is an anti-DMB site, go and post!" to a DMB mailing list or something?

You learn something new every day.

― kate (kate), Monday, 9 June 2003 07:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

Its at nearly 600 posts. What is the longest running thread on ILX?

― Brain, Monday, 9 June 2003 10:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Probably Vice Magazine?

Or anything to do with Momus or any of our trolls...

― kate (kate), Monday, 9 June 2003 10:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I actually only heard 3 track by them via MTV and i gotta say they left me with nothing to like or to hate. they're virtually non existant where i live. I heard it some years ago and remember it sounded boring and the guys voice irritated me.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Monday, 9 June 2003 11:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'd hardly call my disdain for DMB's music "unique". Look around you, Paige.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 11:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

But many people like them too. Thats the way of the world. We wont agree on everything. But we should remain civil and respect one anothers opinions. But i dont have a problem with people writing here about their dislike of DMB and other bands as long as I (and others) are allowed to respond.
I do wonder if we could agree on any bands though it should be fun finding out.

― Tina T, Monday, 9 June 2003 12:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was referring to your "unique" definition of bloated and noodley...which still don't make any sense.

― Paige, Monday, 9 June 2003 12:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

its a Jimi Thing....

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 9 June 2003 12:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

Paige, play fair - Alex's definition of "noodley" isn't hard to grasp, and it's a word often used to describe lots of focus on rock soloing/improv etc.

"Bloated," that one's loaded, not goin' near it

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 9 June 2003 12:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

"noodley"...as in "like a noodle." I cannot imagine how you fail to hear how DMB's music could be described as such.

"bloated" as in fat, inflated, swollen. Think about it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB are bloated - they've forgotten where they came from, they lost the eye of the tiger. That's why the future belongs to DMCB!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

well he did look a little paunchy on that Spin cover.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

In ten years time, will anyone still be listening to DMB?
I THINK NOT!

Regardless of how I feel about DMB, this is a dumb thing to say. EVERYONE who's had ANY measure of success will still have people listening to them ten years after their success. Fact.

Actually, I defy anyone on this thread to list a band/artist who had a hit that no one ever listens to anymore. You just can't do it unless you happen to know exactly what every human being on the face of the earth is listening to at any given moment.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well, I meant it more in a general sense, i.e. will the Dave Matthews Band still be a going concern, and if so, will they be at all a relevant, viable force as compared to their current status.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

So what would make them any different than 80% of the artists popular today? How many huge acts from 1993 are still relevant, viable forces today? (The ones I can immediately think of are Snoop, Dre and Madonna; most of the other big hitters from then have fallen off big time.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

So what would make them any different than 80% of the artists popular today?

That's my point. They're not.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

nice return!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

They're NOT nearly as exceptional as some of the opinions expressed above would have you believe.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

That's a classic example of objective data used in a deeply subjective manner. The fact that the majority of people don't take Tiffany seriously or have forgotten about her doesn't change the fact that there are fans of hers today who think that she's the greatest performer ever. Furthermore, that's completely within their perogative and their rights as music listeners.

This thread has turned into a rote exercize of heaping scorn on other people's musical tastes for the cardinal sin of being different when it should have focused on heaping scorn on poxy Dave Matthews and his frightening chin.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

See, that's where you and I part, Dan. I have fewer problems with Dave Matthews (to say nothing of his chin, which seems pretty innocuous to me) and than I do with his fans who consider him some sort've demi-god.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

strike that "and" after the closed-parentheses.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

I wouldnt expect anything else from my fellow DMB fans as they're merely responding to (unnecessary) attacks on their favorite band. A band who I truly believe are unique , stand for something and whos music is great.

― Marien, Monday, 9 June 2003 15:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can however see why some may call the music noodley and bloated. Some like it and some wont. As simple as that.

― Marien, Monday, 9 June 2003 15:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Marien, did you get poor marks in grammar?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

okay first I'm with dan at being pissed at the regulars acting like fucktards and baiting obv. v. young foax for no good reason -- go pick on ppl. yr. own size.

second I rilly want some DMB fans to tell me which songs they like most, how the sound of his songs changed over the last few albums, why it stopped having that goofy bouncy feel of "what would you say" and if that's a good or bad thing, whether you like dave's peppy or dreamy voice more, etc.

[honestly Jon, leave the grammar baiting to usenet]

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm still curious why you were annoyed with me earlier, Sterling.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Honestly, I don't know how else to antagonize them.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sterling was annoyed cuz you were ranking your own taste over some high-handed search for a true populist ethos where even 50,000 Dave Matthews phans can't be wrong cuz, above all else, one must dance side by side with the masses to show that you're keeping it real even if your own appreciation is so far removed from genuine fandom and interest that it ain't even academic it's so clinical. That's my guess anyway.

I've seen three Dave Matthews Band concerts (I'm from VA, and not only is it for lovers, it's for South African ex-pats who know just how good the weed is that grows at the feet of the Blue Ridge Mountains) and what struck me most was that there's a Jimmy Buffett-esque kulchur among the fans (partying, big smiles, neohippies), but it was firmly rooted in a Very Deep Respect for the music. No chants with certain parts. No choreographed hand movements from groups of excited grrls. None of that. And I found it really obnoxious -- the revelry that greeted the band, the closed eyes and mouthed words and shoulder hugs that made me feel like I was at a Promise Keepers rally.

Under the Table and Dreaming is good record.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

I didn't 'splain myself too well in that second graf: What I meant to say was that at every other concert I've been to for a band with a Huge Fawning Following (from Buffett to the Dismemberment Plan) there have been signs of naked enthusiasm for the band shown via syncopated handclaps, arm-waving, prop-tossing, and the like. But at the DMB shows I've attended, it's been like church, only with worse music (which isn't to call DMB terrible (I do like UTTAD), but to say that gospel music is great).

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

And as much as I dislike most of the jam bands, it's hard to find a more popular genre that music crit has totally ignored, which is a shame.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

(Deeply Stereotyped) DMB Fan: DMB roools! If you only heard more of their stuff, you'd agree that they're the best band ever!

Ned: But I've heard tons of their stuff and they bore the tits off of me. I am not engaged by their music at all and I don't have to be.

Sterling: NED YOU EVIL FIEND STOP TALKING DOWN TO PEOPLE.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Also, Sterling mischaracterized me. I am not pissed with the regulars. I am not pissed with the new DMB advocates. I do think it's a shame that vocal proponents on both sides have turned this into the "my musical taste is better than yours" debate.

There should be more inventive name-calling and teasing and less chastizing. Humor brings people together.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Actually I never called Ned in particular out, tho I was somewhat frustrated by the "we all have different tastes but MINE are better" act becuz it seemed to cut off any possible discussion about DMB rather smugly and rilly was just a more articulate version of the more irritating things coming from the DMB hordes (more excusable there becuz they haven't wedded themselves to this act through years of fine-tuning) and meanwhile tho the taunting and baiting from other quarters was what rilly frustrated me.

And y3ncey can eat a bag of stereotypical dicks. 50,000 DMB fans might be wrong but they're sure more interesting than corny indie fucks like you.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

how am i a corny indie fuck sterling??? how many dmb shows have you been to?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

blub blub blub

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Why do you think we throw stuff at you?

You own all our cd's- you're gay, you're gay
You own all our 7"s- you're gay, you're gay
You bought all our t-shirts- you're gay, you're gay
You go to all our shows- you're gay, you're gay

[Chorus:] All our fans are gay [x4]

You think you know what we are singing about- you're wrong
You think we care about the underground- you're wrong
You think we won't fuck up your club- you're wrong
You think we care if you like us- you're wrong

[Chorus]

If we're nice to you, it's because we're broke
Or unless you got some drugs to smoke
When the drugs are gone, then we are too
Then we'll go back to making fun of you

[Fan voice:] "But I've supported you guys for so long"
FAGGOT!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

The real fans don't go to shows.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

haha! nice.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

meanwhile Ned and Aaron need to lighten the fuck up and *listen* for a change to the points that foax are making.

-- Sterling Clover (s_clove...), June 7th, 2003 2:16 AM. (later)

later...

Actually I never called Ned in particular out -- Sterling Clover (s_clove...), June 9th, 2003 1:39 PM. (later)

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

memory is a dodgy thing.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

< /reagan>

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't recall that.

― J (Jay), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yes blount once you find the quote where I cop to trading guns to crazy right-wing strongmen under the table then it will be just like reagan.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

you'll never confess!!!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

"I... trad[e] guns to crazy right-wing strongmen under the table. . . just like [R]eagan." -- Sterling Clover, June 9th, 2003

THE SMOKING GUN!!!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Wow.. I hope you guys aren't older than like 12, because that would be pretty sad.

― James, Monday, 9 June 2003 18:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

moose and squirrel have foiled us again my love!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

HOORAY this thread is back on track!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

So what's the longest ILM thread then?

― J (Jay), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Trust me, it ain't this one.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Parsing Xgau, I believe.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Or Nas-JZ.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

Technotronic is better than Dave Matthews on the strength of 'Pump Up The Jam' alone

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yes blount once you find the quote where I cop to trading guns to crazy right-wing strongmen under the table then it will be just like reagan.
"Welll...yes...mistakes were made, but I know that My people did nothing wrong. They are all patriotic freedom fighters."

Crime Fighters == Fight Crime
Fire Fighters == Fight Fire
Freedom Fighters == ??

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

Technotronic is better than Dave Matthews on the strength of 'Pump Up The Jam' alone

Not sure that's what's meant by "jam band," Millar, but run with that thought!

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

Crime Fighters == Fight Crime
Fire Fighters == Fight Fire
Freedom Fighters == ??

Further evidence that Custos Epsilon is truly deserving of the title, LORD. SALUT!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Actually, I kinda sorta stole that bit from George Carlin.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

pedantic

― Marien, Monday, 9 June 2003 23:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

That doesn't change the fact that its a very good question.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 01:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was going to make an argument about why all the people talking shit about someone elses music are fucking lamers, but I decided that it was a waste of time. Go fuck yourselves and come back when you've actually accomplished something important.

― matt klasdjasdfjklf, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 05:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

Done and done!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 05:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

oops are both "dones" referring to the same thing??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 05:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

i'll never tell

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 05:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey idiot boy -- this is ILM, it's a *MUSIC DISCUSSION BOARD* Invariably there is going to be some differences of opinion regarding certain artists (not just your precious Dave Matthews) and, summarily, a certain degree of "talking some shit" is going to go down. Go cower under your duvet if you can't handle it, but chastizing folks for having and expressing entirely grounded and justifiable opinions is a ridiculous statement.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

''okay first I'm with dan at being pissed at the regulars acting like fucktards and baiting obv. v. young foax for no good reason -- go pick on ppl. yr. own size.''

isn't sterling assuming these ppl are 15? or have i missed the bit where DMB fans state their age?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

they're all under 21 surely!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sterling is making assumptions about the DMB posters which are more condescending than what he's accusing Ned and Aaron of doing.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Er, what Dan said. I had been wondering about that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

That's a bit stereotypical. But then I wouldn't expect much better of you guys. I'm 32

― James, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

YOU ANCIENT FOGEY

(I'm 30)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've always suspected that the average humanoid doesn't gain useful musical taste until after the age of 15 (hence the existence of Kiss, the Knack and the Insane Clown Posse), and loses it after the age of 40. (hence the existence of Neil Diamond, Michael Bolton and Celine Dion.)
Does anyone think this notion might have a genuine basis in nuerochemistry or is that the Michael Bolton fans were ALWAYS sans-taste motards?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

(side question: and why does Jaz have a wedge of lime stuck to the side of his hand?)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

yet more generalizing from custos shockah!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

I formed my ICP love at age 22. (Granted it faded a lot by age 28 but _Ringmaster_, _Riddlebox_ and the attendant EPs are all still fantastic.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

why does Jaz have a wedge of lime stuck to the side of his hand?

When the apocalypse comes, you don't want to be caught without your limes.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

hahaha, you'll get scurvy!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

yet more generalizing from custos shockah!
Well, thats *is* my theory. If you think it's incomplete, please enlighten us to how you modify it to bring it closer to your vision of reality.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

But Custos 95% of ILM is in those brackets and at least 60% of us have shit taste. How do ya splain that?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

I discovered Duran Duran at about 12 or 13. And Duran Duran made me the person I am today!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Brain interference caused by cosmic rays?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Brain interference caused by cosmic rays?
(xpost)

I discovered Duran Duran at about 12 or 13. And Duran Duran made me the person I am today!
In my book that means you have good taste.

Waitasec? 60%? How'd you come up with that figure, Yanc3y?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

I discovered Duran Duran at about 12 or 13. And Duran Duran made me the person I am today!
In my book that means you have good taste.

But then I've disproved your theory because I gained that taste at a tender age too young to register on your radar! (Maybe girls mature earlier? Oh no, because hence the existence of gloop like 5ive, etc.)

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

Though on second thought, I quite like that one 5ive song with the TV's in the video...

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think girls mature faster than boys because as adolescents they get earlier access to boobs.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

5ive has videos???

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yarrrrrrr... I was terrified by the giant skyscrapers as projection screens one for "We Will Rock You".

Are we talking about the same band? Brit boyband from about 3 or 4 years ago?

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Same band. They just played a house show in Rhode Island 12 years ago that someone told J-Dub about, and now he's convinced they're hardfuckingcore with masks & sheeit, yo!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

Someone named "5ive" played at a mill show last summer. I was really drunk and impatient with them.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

12 years ago, the brit boyband 5ive would have been, oh... 10?

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

wait! I saw:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:35:50|AM&sql=Byidxlfhe0cqu
not:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:35:50|AM&sql=B4c831v7jzzxa

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Once a neighbor of mine who was a tennis player got a new CD player for his Volvo. He told me and a friend to check it out. We sat in the car and he showed off his new system by playing Led Zeppelin. I was like, "Sounds alright to me."

Then he popped in a Dave Matthews Band CD. He said, "Ya know, Dave Matthews Band is just good fucking music, man."

"Just good fucking music, man."

I didn't like it one bit.

Not one bit.

― Cub, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

This thread is getting too unweildly to load for my poor, outdated, wheezing computer. Thus, I must excuse/recuse myself from this debate from this point further. If anyone wants to start up a sequel thread or something, I'm all for it. Until such time, however, my final word on the subject: The Dave Matthews Band is comprised of, in all probability, perfectly kind, considerate, intelllient, compassionate human beings with all the best of intentions, but their music is still dull as dishwater. I don't decry anyone's right to listen to and enjoy it, but just don't try to tell me how fuckin' great it is.....`cos it ain't.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 16:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Someone wrote on the Eagles CorD thread that the Eagles combined the worst qualities of pop (mindless formulaic drivel-ness) with the worst of rock (bloated self-importance). The DMB are like what you get when you combine the worst of pop, rock and jazz.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm overwhelmed by the originality (or lack there of) in that post.

― james, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 21:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Taking Sides: Dave Matthews Band vs. Coldplay
yet Another anti DMB thread

― Climate Hunter, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 21:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

yet Another anti DMB thread

Oh come on! You can READ, can't you?

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 22:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

No.

― Climate Hunter, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 23:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

The other day my brother's friend's band started off their cover of "All Along the Watchtower" by declaring
"He're's a little song Bob Dylan wrote, Jimi Hendrix made rockin', and Dave Matthews took to a whole nother level. Now, we're going to see what we can do with it."

― Applepie Baseball, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 00:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

haha - bono to thread

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 00:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

this thread is an embarrassment.

the responses from regulars (who should be ashamed of so vigorously taking advantage of their relative experience with defending their tastes by arguing) remind me particularly of mark's second paragraph in clarke's 'boring' thread.

a more fruitful way to understand this thread's original question might be, following mark, to assume that the people who like dave matthews do not do so because of a lack on their part (a lack of taste, intelligence, character, experience, or anything else). your conception of how a person could like dave matthews would seem to have some bearing on why you don't like him. (perhaps making certain answers easier.) then an interesting question becomes, why is it so important to you to make it clear that you are not like that person (exemplified by your not liking dave matthews)?

I would say that in my late high school years, into the time I went off to college, a very wide range of people in my age group and older, in different social groups, liked dave matthews to some extent. this was around the time of 'under the table and dreaming'. I remember their first couple-few big singles as significant presence on the radio. I recall a review from the time noting matthews' 'frat-boy existentialism' as a potential fault, but giving him a pass because there is still something fulfilling about even frat-boy existentialism, at times. the association with frat boys bothered me because I hadn't really seen that connection - it seemed like an inaccurate thing to say at the time, though it became more accurate later as the band's audience changed. something similar to that point about the faulty-but-good-enough existentialism (especially found in 'crash', I think) could probably be said about the music's character and sound, especially in terms of difference from the prevailing styles of the time
on rock and mainstream alternative radio.

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Applepie Baseball: "He're's a little song Bob Dylan wrote, Jimi Hendrix made rockin', and Dave Matthews took to a whole nother level. Now, we're going to see what we can do with it."
James Blount: haha - bono to thread
I think Bono would've said "Jimi Hendrix stole this from Dylan...we're stealin' it back."
Funny thing I heard (which is probably a myth, but it would be sooooo coool if it were true:) Apparently, Bono himself was embarassed by his pontifications on the Rattle and Hum record...and whenever he gets out of hand in the studio, one of his bandmates would inevitably remark:
"Ey, Bono......are we stealin' it back?"
And here's a documented fact: Bono is forbidden to have any coffee or caffeine before they go into the studio. Allegedly, A cup of black coffee really brings out the pompous twit in him.
Kinda like Henry Rollins...without the sense of humor.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

The purpose of me bringing up those specific people on this web site was to prove that hatred and anger get you no where. I don't dislike anyone the way the people on this web site do. As for someone saying all DMB fans are hootie fans thats a lie I never caught on as to why hootie was so popular. All of my friends that like Dave aren't hootie fans so that is untrue.

― dmbfan012003, Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

DMB fans in "nicer than ILM" shocka

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

FYI: ILM is not a coherent entity

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

I mean, it does seem like "niceness" is just the apex of achievement for a band like DMB -- they play the exact role that Phil Collins and Genesis played back in the mid-'80s (except Phil and Co. wrote songs that got on the radio). Just... nice. And not, y'know, *weird* like that new wave stuff. I mean, who's going to listen to that weird stuff in 20 years? ;)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

well, they're just half a step removed from hippies, no?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

yeah niceness is just criminally uncool, I'd sooner be caught telling people to be kind to others

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

this dmb hootie comparison convinces me that either most people hatin' haven't actually listened to dmb carefully, or that there's much more interesting stuff going on in hootie than i realized.

i mean a violin jamband combo with a dude singing slightly skittery jazz-inflected stuff in not quite a standard key. maybe its not my thing but while i was like 15 or 16 and listening to alt-rock radio it seemed way more *weird* than most of the stuff on at the time.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

BOTH SUCK

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

that or one is completely unaware of the histories, tour circuits, etc. of hootie and dmb, or the way their label sold them as the 'new hootie' in 94 (somewhere big head todd's going 'where's my platinum album?').

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

hootie, dmb, big head todd, lisa loeb, the pietasters and squirrel nut zippers were all regular players at my dad's old club in southwest va in the early to mid 90s. make of that what you will.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

judging a band by its tour circuit, c or d?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love the Yanc3y but that club sounds like my idea of a slow, bitter, torturous hell.

judging a band by its tour circuit, c or d?

Inestimably classic.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

'chitlin circuit' to thread

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

but the touring circuit matters, sterling! these bands shared stages, were friends/rivals, they wuz a SCENE, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

my dad's club totally sucked. tho it did give me the opportunity to meet uncle tupelo when i wuz 14. which was very cool.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

pretending bands don't have contexts - c or d?

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

the thing is ALOT of people woulda put their money on big head todd if you'd asked them 'who's gonna make it big?'

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

i would've. "bittersweet" shoulda been the anthem of the 90s.

it's the boulder curse! (rick neuheisel to thread!)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

haha! rashaan salaam to thread!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews Band, Hootie and The Blowfish, Counting Crows (the Why is DMB so Hated Thread has gotten too huge to load quickly) [some nonworksafe spanking be here]

― the Management of Justifiable Hatred (vassifer), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

he's gotta take off the noose first

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'd just like to know what all these people being so high and mighty listen to, or are they too busy trying to seem "cool" by critiquing everything they can? And saying that dave sounds like a "muppet," I think that 50 Cent sounds awful and monotonous, but instead of being mean about it I just say "I don't like him" so I'm not rude to any of his fans.

― Jeff, Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sterling stop posting under aliases!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

dave sounds like a "muppet,"

Hey, I like the way Kermit sings.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

jewel sounds more like a muppet. that was what made her first single cool & catchy. after that i have no idea why she stuck around.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 19:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

more references to ILM and its regulars as a single coherent hata motherbrain please

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 12 June 2003 19:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

Um, do those of you bemoaning the hatred showed here towards Dave even read the title of this thread?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was in a jam band called Hata Motherbrain once, we had a killer version of China Cat Sunflower

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 22:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

Looks like the dmb fans have gave up at last.

― Brain, Thursday, 12 June 2003 23:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just tired of people's bitching and not trying in the least bit to understand where fans are coming from. Got bored with the constant cheapshots and reference to the fan stereotypes. Please, please, please, sustain your arguements with something other than "uh..they suck cuz they're boring n' stuff." Or "I went to a concert once...but its just not my kind of music so I think they suck" If the only reason that you can procure for the reason that you don't like them is that it's not your type of music, then what the hell are you argueing about? Also, make up your minds boys, please...are we all hippies or are we frat boys? I have to know so I can conform to that faction (since you know, that's what we DMB fans do..we conform)
I do acknowlege that a small portion of the people that post here are not as thoroughly dim-witted as the puerile majority are. This post not intended for the few that actually justify their aversion.
To remark on the original comment, I'm sure the fans are still watching. They're just still waiting for the imprudent, pseudo-intellectuals to say something that varies from the same thing they've said since this thread was created.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 01:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

deranged duck!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

"the puerile majority" is the name of my forthcoming book on contemporary iranian politics.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

Allison, I think that chastising people for puerile comments on a thread designed to attract the hardcore puerile contingent might be somewhat fruitless.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

It probably wasn't designed that way, but you can't deny that it does attract them.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 10:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ha. Allison rulez.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

As a member of not just one, but many hardcore puerile contingents - DMB is the antithesis of puerile. That's why we hate him (and Sting.)

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

So, am I supposed to be a puerile embarassment or not?

I think I'm just going to sit here and be peeved with Josh.

― J (Jay), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

''Ha. Allison rulez.''

i second that!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Are you going to stick around and contribute on other threads , Allison? It's not all hate here incase you were wonderin'.

― brain, Friday, 13 June 2003 12:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

I comment on other threads when I feel it necessary. I just thought the ignorance on this particular thread was spreading much too quickly, and needed a slight speed reduction.
It would make sense that the "antithesis of puerile" wouldn't be accepted on this board...I can see that maturity is not one of this group's many fortes.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 16:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.

― J (Jay), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm sorry, Allison; you're making a good amount of sense and expressing yourself will and all I can do is giggle at your email address. Truly I suck.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

Damn, "J"...that was deep. Somebody should put that in a book or something.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 17:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

aflac

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

Most pretentious thing I've read on ILM in MONTHS!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, what's being posited as the "antithesis of puerile" here? Allison herself?

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

The point is, rock and roll is about being puerile. If you want adult, listen to Miles Davis or Stravinsky. ILM is puerile. If you want adult, go to the Library.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

(Side point: ILM is not just about rock and roll, so it should be more than just puerile.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

Good point. Point taken.

And I'm sick of that fucking word...

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

Totally on point with that last point.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

If the only reason that you can procure for the reason that you don't like them is that it's not your type of music, then what the hell are you argueing about?

It's all subjective. There have been many many posts here which elucidate the specific things in Dave's music that is not liked. What more can you say than 'Dave does/doesn't do X, Y, or Z. I don't care for/do care for X, Y, or Z'?
To focus on each point brought up misses the whole, which is greater than the sum of its parts, ie, it's not JUST that people think the music is boring, and not JUST that they don't care for his voice, and not JUST that they don't want to be associated w/his hardcore fans. It's all of these--and more--combined.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

At this point, answer SEVEN HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR, I just want to say that I quite like the Dave Matthews CD a friend gave me a while ago, the drumming is particularly tasteful.

― mei (mei), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

http://www.dmbsucks.com/

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

Heyyyyy...I remember you! You were the lady who said that "A Little Less Conversation" was the epitome of everything wrong with British Culture, and said we we're all mooks, hooligans and thugs for liking it.
(I'm paraphrasing, of course. It's been so long since I saw that thread)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

aha...found it
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. Leave nitpicking to the nit nurse.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's puerile to quote Shakespeare. So, LOU REED WINS!

― J (Jay), Friday, 13 June 2003 20:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

There's no way that's the same person.

― J (Jay), Friday, 13 June 2003 20:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh wait J in missing the point because not reading the whole thread shockah.

― J (Jay), Friday, 13 June 2003 20:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

My point wasn't that people only dislike them for those reasons. When asked why they don't like DMB, generally, the answer has something relating to the inkling that they are tedious and uninspiring. Another common answer is that Dave doesn't sing with enough emotion and his lyrics don't complement his voice, or that they are too serious in their performances(which would be proven wrong by a simple viewing of any live performance. i.e. Their smiling/communicating through facial expressions, dancing around, and the palpable exhibit of their passion for music.)
It's easy to critique music by saying things other than "I don't like "X, Y, or Z". I'll use Linkin Park as an example, since they seem to be the band that I can effortlessly critsize. "Linkin Park has unadorned riffs and uses minimal effort in their music. Their use of rap intermingled with faux rock is extremely overrated." Easy as that.
My arguement: Give me a concept that is validated, and I'll give you acknowledgement. I want an argument, just without the substandardized interpretation.
I don't think I should be a necessity to be juvenile in my posts in order to be somewhat appreciated. I'm aware that this thread has been turned into a kiddiefest. Nevertheless, I'm sure you can find a scrap of maturity somewhere.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 22:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Allison" in demanding the objective from the subjective shockah!

― J (Jay), Friday, 13 June 2003 22:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

huh uh uh huh uh uh "deranged duck"

― Beavis, Friday, 13 June 2003 23:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

Despite the fact that your "rational reasons" for disliking Linkin Park boil down to "I don't like their unadorned riffs or the minimal effort they put into their music, and I REALLY don't like like their mix of rap with faux rock", I will list my reasons for not being into Dave Matthews band in your format:

- The timbre of Dave's voice is often extraordinarily ugly. He sounds like he's trying to form all of his vowels with the roof of his mouth.

- The fiddle-timbre of the violin grates against the horns, making it nigh-impossible for them to play in tune together.

- Their songs register to my ears as very safe. They never take any extreme or unpredictable turns; in fact, you could probably find the basic chord progressions of most of the songs in a second-semester theory class. I understand that a huge reason for this is to give a solid foundation on which to solo, but the solos don't sparkle or impress.

- I've never heard them let their bass player get seriously ill. Given how great I think their bass player might be, this is criminal.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 14 June 2003 01:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

see one problem with dmb for me, is unlike alot of their peers who had at least one element I could buy into wholeheartedly no matter what I thought of the whole (Spin Doctors' drummer, Darius Rucker's voice - I'm a sucker for baritones, same weakness with Pearl Jam), dmb don't have any one particular guy about whom I can say 'damn, this song might suck but that one muhfuh can ______!' < /rayburn>. I'm generally looking for cheap thrills, and if I can manage selective hearing well enough to enjoy !!! despite the vocals I could probably figure out a way to enjoy dmb, if there was something for my ear to latch onto.

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 14 June 2003 01:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

alison, essentially you did the exact thing against Linkin Park as was done against DMB, ie, you said 'I don't care for X and Y and linkin park does X and Y'. It seems as if an arguement is only 'rational' to you if you agree with it.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 14 June 2003 05:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

She said the reasons and explained why she didn't like them because of those reasons. That was her point if you weren't paying attention. Everyone else's reasons were "they're boring, dont like dave's voice, or they dont have enthuisiasm on stage."
Their bass player does have solos and parts in songs where he gets "ill". They do take risks, just not as much music wise as it is timing and tempo. There is always a HUGE possibility of someone majorly screwing up since they play different sets, and often different versions of a song every concert...but they don't. There's just another example of someone talking about what what they dont know.

― paige, Saturday, 14 June 2003 10:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

''Everyone else's reasons were "they're boring, dont like dave's voice, or they dont have enthuisiasm on stage."''

have you actually read dan's post?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 14 June 2003 11:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Their bass player does have solos and parts in songs where he gets "ill".

Point me at a song.

They do take risks, just not as much music wise as it is timing and tempo.

Point me at a song.

Clearly I'm not going to take your word for anything because I heard their first two albums and was not impressed enough to pursue them any further, largely because of the reasons I listed.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 14 June 2003 12:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

- I've never heard them let their bass player get seriously ill. Given how great I think their bass player might be, this is criminal

Dan, no lie, that's a beautiful piece of criticism right there.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 14 June 2003 13:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Their bass player does have solos and parts in songs where he gets "ill".
By the way, I suspect he doesn't mean getting "violently" ill. (Y'know, like the listeners.)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 14 June 2003 17:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

oh come on now that's just silly

― dave q, Saturday, 14 June 2003 17:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

If you can acquire any live show that wasn't recorded for a DVD or CD and commercially sold, even if you scuttle haphazardly through songs, I'm confident that you will detect songs that demonstrate these qualities. I'll get back to you on specific songs since I don't have my recordings at hand.
You do understand that, fundamentlly, you are saying violins don't merge well with woodwinds? And you realize that there are about 102 million composers that wouldn't be in accord with that statement? Just warning you...in case you get mugged by an individual clenching a baton, that may be their rationale.
I still can't grasp that people are so critical of such an eminent style music that they have no perception or knowledge of beyond that of a few CD's, singles, or unfounded information from unreliable sources.

― allison, Saturday, 14 June 2003 19:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

like your Linkin Park review?

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 14 June 2003 20:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

I still can't grasp that people are so critical of such an eminent style music that they have no perception or knowledge of beyond that of a few CD's, singles, or unfounded information from unreliable sources.

Should it require more than a few CDs and singles to form an opinion of this band? If their readily available material (presumably the music the band felt most satisfied with to represent them) fails to create a favorable impression, why do you have such a seemingly damn hard time fathoming how -- for even a nanosecond -- that you may actually indeed be mistaken in your assertion that the DMB's music is anything other than bog-fucking-standard?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 June 2003 20:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

cuz, unlike other bands (eg. linkin park), dmb require a thourough, constant, and complete familiarity with their music before you can begin to question their greatness (with the catch 22 being if you question dmb's greatness you haven't listened to 'enough' dmb).

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 14 June 2003 20:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

Allison hurrah for you for fighting for the band you love! I mean that and am not being sarcastic. I do think, though, that James and Alex have a point: how much DMB does a person need to have heard before it's fair to say that he's got a reasonable understanding of their sound? I think it's a little silly to say "you haven't heard all their music" as if that were a good dismissal of criticism. Think of music that you think is ass: have you heard everything by the bands you think of as some seriously suck-ass bands, or do you hear at most an album or two and go "yeesh! shit sandwiches!"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 14 June 2003 20:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

No sir, I've drudged through a linkin park concert. My review was actually munificent when compared to what they produce. Honestly...do you think they deserve the praise they get?
I never said you have to hear everything in order to have an opinion of them, and I don't appreciate the amplification of every statement I make. AGAIN, I will say it. Listening to a band and determining that you do not like them is one thing. Criticising the band for technical, lyrical, or any other intangible factors when you aren't entirely informed is a totally different animal.
I can't argue if you just don't like them, it's your right to form an opinion. I'm not fond of a lot of bands, but if I haven't experienced them in their entirety then I do not pass jugement on them...particularly to their fans who obviously know more about them that I do.
I don't remember (and don't care to look) who posted earlier about the basic chord progression or something reminiscent of their compositions being musically undemanding or challenging. I've played guitar since I was 7 and I'm now a senior in college, majoring in music performance. There are still some of his riffs and chord changes that I still can't refine as well as he does. Some aspects of their music are simple, but that's to be expected when you take into account that they are typically a touring band.

― Allison, Saturday, 14 June 2003 21:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't appreciate the amplification of every statement I make.

If you're not going to stand by statements, might I suggest you reconsider making them in the first place. What else have we to go on other than your own words in this debate?

At the very least, I think we can all safely, heartily and cheerily agree that Linkin Park suck from a big, greasy bag of cock, right?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 June 2003 21:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

I like that "In The End" song. Needs to be a bit more Depeche Mode, though. (I will still take it over any DMB any day.)

I don't appreciate the amplification of every statement I make

Understood, but I think this is happening because you're not answering a lot of specific questions in turn. Dan, for instance, has brought up a lot that you're not apparently dealing with. Saying that you're not being understood or that you're being treated too harshly when you're not willing to engage further with what's asked is a bit of a problem -- especially if you're so single-mindedly focused on getting US to engage further with a band you like. It goes both ways.

Criticising the band for technical, lyrical, or any other intangible factors when you aren't entirely informed is a totally different animal

If people are getting annoyed with the band BECAUSE of something technical, lyrical, etc. and say so, what more do you want? It can't be intangible if it is there and they're pointing to it.

I'm not fond of a lot of bands, but if I haven't experienced them in their entirety then I do not pass jugement on them

If you aren't fond of a band you have passed a judgment. It may be a temporary one or may be one that you are wanting to note is something based on only a few things that you've heard, but it's still a judgment.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 14 June 2003 21:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

eg. Linkin Park

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 14 June 2003 21:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm tired of being articulate...hope no one minds that I return to my apathetic ways.
Because they openly said that they haven't listened to much more than just those couple CD's. Say your favorite band is...Backsteet boys (we all know it is) and people are going on about how awful they are, and also say that they've only heard one of their albums and the commercialized crap they see on TV. Now, you know they're much better than just the mercantile mainstream band they're made out to be, but no one will actually listen to anything else because they just form impervious opinions and suddenly become all knowing on the subject after listening to that one CD. Do you let them go on their poorly informed ways so they can infect others minds with fictitious information, or do you charge them with being tenuous then try to help them give the band their well deserved respect?
People aren't pointing to anything. I've yet to hear a specific example or song (that I can remember...prove me wrong if you can) that can't be argued by taste (other than Dave's voice which I will admit can be a bit tense at times) BECAUSE the amount of their music the majority has heard is very marginal.

― Allison, Saturday, 14 June 2003 22:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't need to eat a whole shit sandwich to know I don't like shit.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 14 June 2003 22:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's like talking to a wall!

― J (Jay), Saturday, 14 June 2003 23:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

But... what if that shit sandwich has cream filling in the middle and you won't know unless you eat a little more.

Your mom's a wall.

― Allison, Saturday, 14 June 2003 23:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

The tenacity of the DMB fan is a thing of wonder: let no one here argue this point.

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Saturday, 14 June 2003 23:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

(No, really, *please* don't argue it. We'll be here all week.)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Saturday, 14 June 2003 23:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

This thread is caught in a loop.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 14 June 2003 23:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

can this just be dropped please?

― H (Heruy), Saturday, 14 June 2003 23:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sure...I'm bored now though. Going to give me something else to talk about?

― allison, Sunday, 15 June 2003 00:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

See the other threads!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 00:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

nah =) I've grown quite fond of this one, tanks.

― Allison, Sunday, 15 June 2003 00:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

Your mom's a wall.

Best comeback evah.

― J (Jay), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

I gotta agree with J; I'm still giggling at that one.

I did not say that violins and woodwinds can never be in tune with each other. I sing with the Boston Symphony; I hear violins and woodwinds in tune on a regular basis. What I said was that their violin player's timbre (which more often than not sounds like Irish fiddle) doesn't match well with the saxophone. It's a "unique" sound that never really rings, gels or clicks.

I'd also like to note that you STILL haven't pointed me at any specific songs.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 15 June 2003 12:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

"- The fiddle-timbre of the violin grates against the horns, making it nigh-impossible for them to play in tune together." hmm..hate to argue, but you did say they couldn't play in tune.
Songs that show you what? Can't remember what the criteria were, refresh my memory please?

― allison, Sunday, 15 June 2003 13:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

Quick question for the sake of perspective, Allison.....what other music do you enjoy?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 15 June 2003 15:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've posted that twice..but I'll do it again. I like Tom Petty, The Cure, The Misfits, Rush, Plaid, Roadhaven, Bob Marley, Queens of the Stone Age, and Fury Monk to name a few. Although I'm not as obsessed as you, I do like Killing Joke. I'm a very firm believer that Jaz is God. Or...a least the second coming of christ.

― Allison, Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

love connection!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 15 June 2003 19:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

we'll be back in 2 and 2

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 15 June 2003 19:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

uh...what about 2's? Did I miss somethin?

― Allison, Sunday, 15 June 2003 23:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

You cannot compare Dave Matthews with the majesty of Yes or Rush.

― The Atomic Rooster, Monday, 16 June 2003 00:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Allison: it's about beats. Ask your drummer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 00:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

Who's comparing. I like DMB for an entirely different reason than I like the rest of those bands. I hate my drummer..I'd much rather you explain, please =)

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 00:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

A quick and dirty lesson about time signatures -- all others can throw in here as they like.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 00:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

What's this in reference to?

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 00:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Allison is a red herring.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 16 June 2003 02:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Either that or is willfully stupid. I'd like to not assume the latter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 02:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

hmm..hate to argue, but you did say they couldn't play in tune.

I said that Dave Matthews Band rarely plays in tune. I didn't say it was impossible to tune woodwinds. And really, it's only the songs where they really feature the fiddle and horns playing together that it really grates on my ears.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 June 2003 02:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

800.

The name comes from the name of a song, One Sweet World, performed by the Dave Matthews Band (who they?).

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Ben_Jerrys_One_Sweet_Whirled__Review_5314913

― disco stu (disco stu), Monday, 16 June 2003 03:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

how come an IP search for allison turns up many many posts for one mr DAN PERRY? eh? EH???

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 03:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dan Perry in sexually-confused DMB Tyler Durden shocker

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 03:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

But... what if that shit sandwich has cream filling in the middle and you won't know unless you eat a little more.

This may be the best reply I've ever gotten.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 June 2003 06:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

The first rule of DMB Club is that you don't talk about DMB club.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 June 2003 12:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

I know about time signatures...music major, remember. I'm just wondering why you posted it. Also wondering if I should be offended by the "willfully stupid" comment... (here's where I'd post a picture of myself looking confused, but since I'm computer illiterate and no one wants to tell me how to do it =P)

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 12:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

It seems there has been mutual confusion, not hard with me. I thought you were referring to questions of the beat but it looks like you were talking about Chuck Woolery's 'classic' smarm outro on Love Connection -- which is what Oops was quoting.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Your mom's a wall.
Best comeback evah.
Hello, Wall.
If she had said "Su madre es una pared" it would've sounded 100x cooler and dirtier.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

Your mom's a wall.
Best comeback evah.
Hello, Wall.
If she had said "Su madre es una pared" it would've sounded 100x cooler and dirtier.

But... what if that shit sandwich has cream filling in the middle and you won't know unless you eat a little more.
Three words: Thats. Not. Cream.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

ewwww.

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 15:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

My reasons for hating them, apart from whatever else has been already mentioned:

A guy by the name of J0hn L00 who tried to browbeat me into liking them years ago. In every single American high school and small college with a jazz band, the three 'cool guys' in the rhythm section (gtr/bs/drm) have an awful polite groovy rock band together and they inevitably will draft their one even 'cooler' poet/philosopher/rollerblader friend into playing acoustic and singing. This was J0hn L00. He was in the middle of MERELY EXPLAINING to me how 'techno' could never mean anything because it was TECHNOLOGY which could never TOUCH THE UNIVERSAL SCOPE or whatever the fuck he was saying, when (we were on a bus iirc) he asked if I liked DMB, to which I said no I most certainly do not. His respnonse: OH BUT DAVE IS JUST SO MUSICAL.

"hike up your dress a little more/ and show your world to me:" This line insenses me more than any other line from any other song ever. In any kind of just relations among the genders saying "hike...world..." would earn you derision, lawsuits, and a lonely life, and (yank away the curtain of poesy here) "LEMME SEE YOUR PUSSY" would be the gleeful playful die-rect request btw actual living bodied humans that I must believe it is. But alas that's not our world obviously, not yet, and this song isn't helping any.

I can't imagine a line more duplicitous, more violent, more ugly. It's not a world, dickhead! Yes I get it, he wants to nice-guy his way into this girl's pants, but with his cute lil met-a-phor he obliterates her subjectivity and says back to us over his shoulder "dude they're all sisters."

(god this song pisses me off) Anyone who calls your genitals "a world" is clearly a creep and pig and will never go down on you unless under extreme duress and will at that point be crap at it on purpose to spite you. You know that I am right.

(unless Dave is standing behind her which would complicate my er position a little.)

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 16 June 2003 16:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

That's a reason for hating them? That's a bit superficial if you don't mind me saying. First of all, when he wrote the song those lyrics weren't in it and that's not even what the song is about if you listen to more than that one line. It wasn't like he said 'hey let me write a song about looking at some girl's "world" because I'm a shallow, adamant bastard.' Dave was adlibbing, as he often does, during one performance before the song was even recorded, and people laughed. So..when they recorded it he just sang it that way. If you take into account that the lyrics in the rest of the close to 150 songs that he's written are completely respectable, I think they cancel out that one debatable line. Also..that's about 1/4 as imprudent as the bulk of music played on "the piece of shit that is MTV". That's a feeble excuse for not liking them.

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 16:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Allison, is your point that there is no good reason for not liking any band?

― NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 16 June 2003 17:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, that should read "Is your point that there is no good reason for hating any band?"

― NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 16 June 2003 17:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

If we change the thread title to "Slag off DMB because he's the current whipping boy - you don't need a reason" .. can we move on to more insults?

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 16 June 2003 17:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

If she had said "Su madre es una pared" it would've sounded 100x cooler and dirtier.

Is it just me, or should this be Shakira's next single?

― J (Jay), Monday, 16 June 2003 17:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

My point is that one line in one song isn't a reason.

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 17:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

.. Isn't a reason, or isn't a reason that you like? Hmm? d'jever think of that?

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 16 June 2003 17:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Isn't a reason that makes sense...better, Mr. psychoanalyst?

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 17:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

Better .. but not as good as "isn't a reason that makes sense to me."

Don't forget that you have to appease the hardcore puerile contingent...

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 16 June 2003 18:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

No, I meant is your overall point that there's no good reason for hating a band? Is there any reason that someone could offer for why they hate the DMB that you would accept as a valid reason?

― NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 16 June 2003 18:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

Clearly the answer is "no" (unless my comment on Dave's vocal production counts as valid).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 June 2003 18:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

"hike up your dress a little more/ and show your world to me:"
and in the sequel he sings "I've seen a million coochies/ and I've rocked them all."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've accepted reasons not to like them from people with valid points, buddy. I accepted that his voice is kinda cooky sometimes and that could be a turn off to their music. And that you just plain don't like the feel of it, or that it's not "hard enough" for your tastes. Pretty much anything that is an opinion, I can accept, and that's why I stopped being so defensive on this thread..because the majority of you actually have legitimate, well-founded standpoints.
The reasons I can't understand are "too many people like them, and they're all hippies and frat boys" or "that one line in that one song about girls hiking up their skirts means he's a perverted pedophile and gets with like 30 groupies after every show" and all things similar to that. I do give credit where credit it due...but that's too hypercritical to give any recognition.

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 19:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

that's why I stopped being so defensive on this thread..because the majority of you actually have legitimate, well-founded standpoints.

YAY! I feel like this conversation is going somewhere.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

Then Allison let go of the steering wheel

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

OK. Granted, "too many people like them" is not a good reason for hating something. But "frat boys and hippies like them" and "that line about girls hiking up their skirts" seem like valid reasons.
The former: if someone you respect likes music that you're not fond of, you might be willing to give it another chance based on that respect. It works the other way too: if someone whose tastes differ from yours completely on almost every subject (ie, hippies and frat boys) like a certain band, it might not be good reason alone not to like that band, but with other factors, it can certainly add to the hatred. Especially because if you go to a DMB show, these are the people you will almost certainly be forced to socialize with.
The latter: I'm sorry, but even if this is "only one line" and "a joke," it's a pretty fucking sexist thing to say and reflective of an attitude that's deserving of hatred. A joke can be sexist, and even if it is only one line, it's one that he chose to make public in a forum open to millions of people, which is not the wisest thing to do if you're a "completely respectable" person.

― NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

I hate him partly for the same reason I hated pink floyd the first 16 years of my life: overexposure. I once spent a summer taking courses at a college in Bham (mind you, this was 2000) and my discman held the only 2 speakers that weren't playing his music 24/7. Also, his lyrics are shit, all of his music that isn't pathetically overproduced like "the space between" sounds the goddamn same. plus he tries to pretend like he's this laid back happy go lucky guy when he's really a coke addict.
all that aside, Don Lennon's pair of songs about him make it all worthwhile.

― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

argh][;.,lkpo[pip9i,oisudf0934-w9-0!!!

....and that's what I have to say about that.

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 20:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hating a band because people you consider assholes and idiots listen to it all the time is almost as reasonable as hating a musician because they aren't on the Top 40 or belong to the wrong record label

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

okay...now that I got that out.
Sorry if I skip over some points on your posts, it's about 20 of you guys vs. one of me, and I'm too lazy to go back and read everthing. Basically...you're saying if everyone started liking a band you like, you should stop listening to them. If you look up at the bands I like, you'll probably see that it's not the normal roster of DMB fans, and may even have some bands you like. I'm definetly not your definition of the conventional fan, given that I listen to and play MANY diverse styles of music (DMB being far from my favorite). You're probably thinking "then why the fuck does she like DMB, who is seemingly borning and uninspiring"? I was sceptical of their music at first, also thought only the potheads listened to them and anything they like wouldn't be applealing to me.
Anyway..if you can go along with me for a second I promise there's a point to this...kinda. If any of you have had a time where even if your life is ostensibly normal, but you still feel constantly futile, you can relate. Music somtimes is the only thing that alleviates that feeling. The bands that I listened to at the time were pretty hard-line and aggressive, so I needed something mellow. What band is mellow most of the time? That's right..DMB, very good! I realized that they weren't as boring as I initially thought and they actually had a lot of talent and substance in their playing. If you can't get over the fact that one comment, which I, as a woman, don't find nearly as offensive or sexist as the majority of music produced by most artists, mainstream or otherwise, then you probably have a verrryyy modest music lineup.
People keep bringing up "the space between" which is, in my opinion, one of the shittiest songs they've written. Unless you're a tactless, imperceptive bastard, you'd at least acknowledge that Dave's lyrics are heartfelt and sincere.
By the way, his lifestyle has much changed since their early days. The comment about being a coke addict may have been accurate 10 years ago, but now it is a bit outdated.

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 21:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm a tactless and imperceptive bastard

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

okay, someone should recommend some 'mellow' bands that Allison might like. (not to replace DMB, just to add to it)

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

no shit, Millar...

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 21:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

Tracy Chapman
James Taylor
Mary Chapin Carpenter
Donovan
Lyle Lovett
Simon & Garfunkel
Laura Nyro
Dan Fogelberg
Carole King
Emmylou Harris
The Carpenters
Hootie & The Blowfish
Grateful Dead
Phish
Widespread Panic
Blues Traveler
Aquarium Rescue Unit
String Cheese Incident
Neil Diamond

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Seals & Croft! "Summer Breeze" rocks blocks off cocks!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

Diamond girl's better.. =P~

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 22:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Who on earth is Dave Matthews? I've never even heard of him, or his music. Seriously. I assumed that you were all simply having some sot of philosophical discussion about dull band names over here on this thread. And now I find it's all about *music*. Whoa. Respect to you crazy cats into attacking and defending your obscure artists. Is he one of those "Beat Of The Traps" dudes? Should I be fitting him into the next "Outsider" issue of Careless Talk - or is he too "outside" for even that?

Is this an American thing?

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

Incidentally, the second initial answer on this thread works equally well, if not better, if you change

"Hes a 90s sting. he's Smug. Yuppie music. Hes boring."

Hes a 90s sting. he's Smog. Yuppie music. Hes boring.

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

he's conor oberst with a bigger, slightly more improv backing band and a slightly - slightly - lower timbre.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Really? Maybe I should check him out... If he really does exist, that is - and you crazy ILM cats aren't having some weird form of extended metaphysical joke. Which I really wouldn't put past some of the people here.

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

I liked the part where I crashed Allison's brain. That was neat.

And I wasn't saying that I don't like DMB because a lot of people like them, which is the point that you seem to be addressing. I'm saying that one of the reasons I don't like them is that frat boys and hippies like them. I'm willing to accept that this is probably a stupid reason too, and I'm really only being half serious about it, but no one has really said why a band's audience is not a good reason for not liking that band.

― NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 11:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

Have fun, Jerry.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

(sadly that opening page is really good. it might cause jerry to stalk dmb for a schpecial feature.)

― nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

what if you like just a fraction of the band's audience, does that mean you can like "4.3 songs" or "the bass lines" or something

― dave q, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

he's conor oberst with a bigger, slightly more improv backing band and a slightly - slightly - lower timbre.

I thought this was the Wesley Willis Fiasco. But whatever.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ask the people who select the music they listen to by the type of audience it appeals to.

― Allison, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

(Takes cursory glance at website)

Oh, so the Dave Matthews Band is halfway between Grateful Dead (another band no one in the UK has heard: it's a bit like the way no one knows a single baseball or basketball or American "football" player outside the States) and Moby, right?

Whoa! They sell flipflops! Just in time for summer, too. Now, why didn't Careless Talk think of that? PS: Ned, I need your column specially early this issue. Like next week.

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

More like halfway between Medeski, Martin and Wood and G. Love and Special Sauce.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

Or Bela Fleck and Leo Sayer.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ack. Okay, Jerry, but please send me a followup reminder via e-mail or I'll never get it done!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey, and "the guy sings like a Muppet" is hardly a criticism.

So does Neil Young - Kermit

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ask the people who select the music they listen to by the type of audience it appeals to.

You're really hung up on that, aren't you.

Dave Matthews Band is halfway between...

I'd say they're in some hellish middle-ground between Manheim Steamroller, Jimmy Buffett and Kansas.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey, and "the guy sings like a Muppet" is hardly a criticism.

So does Neil Young - Kermit

I don't remember ever saying I liked Neil Young.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey, you guys started it.

― allison, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 22:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

No, I believe "John McAteer" started it.

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 22:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yes Sir...

― allison, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 23:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Taking Sides: Momus Vs Dave Matthews Band

― Rambo, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 00:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

i hate the dave matthews band because their bassist's dad is a really unreliable guitar tech. he had my guitar for 4 months and didn't fix it.

― brains (cerybut), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 00:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well now...there's yet another well-founded rationale. I applaud you for being so profound and equitable in your reasoning.

Stay tuned folks...Allison's brain is once again on the brink of destruction.

― Allison, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 02:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

::yawn:::

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 02:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

and in the sequel he sings "I've seen a million coochies/ and I've rocked them all."

This shouldnt've been ignored.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 03:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well now...there's yet another well-founded rationale. I applaud you for being so profound and equitable in your reasoning.
Allison...is there a single answer in the universe that you *would* accept as perfectly legitimate?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 19 June 2003 10:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think Allison should become an ILX regular.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Gooba Gabba, Gooba Gabba, We Accept You, We Accept You! Gooba Gabba, Gooba Gabba, One of Us, One of Us!"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ahh...see, that's what you get when you don't pay attention. If you look back, you'll notice that the question in question has already been questioned =P

― Allison, Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

You all need to get LIVES. John Mayer sucks 100% and Dave Matthews Band is a group who are a lot more talented then other bands out there. I just wanted to tell you haters out there to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are all fake and all of you out there all. We are all from something else. You all who hate DMB don't even know what you are talking about. Your proboly a bunch of non comformists who conform yes I mean you goth people and whatever else you all are. GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!

― Margaret Smith, Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ah, to be 11 again...

― Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hmm...I believe that comment cancelled out everything I said about the majority of their fans not being half retarded. Er...thanks.

― Allison, Saturday, 28 June 2003 02:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Allison, you officially rock.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 28 June 2003 02:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

Well, they just kinda suck, don't they ? Jocks should really be content to strum Doors' shit in their dorm rooms, go through flitting Jim Morrison infatuations the first couple of weeks after they first get bent, and be good paying customers at Ben Harper gigs.

― TripVanJangle (TripVanJangle), Saturday, 28 June 2003 03:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

here we are again at square 1!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Saturday, 28 June 2003 03:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

*sigh* that we are...

― Allison, Sunday, 29 June 2003 16:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's not even a very interesting square!

― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 29 June 2003 16:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

More a trapezoid.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 June 2003 16:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Trapezoids are way cooler than squares.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 29 June 2003 16:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

What if it was a self-consciously dorky trapezoid?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 June 2003 16:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

a rhombus then

― maura (maura), Sunday, 29 June 2003 16:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Parallelograms roxx u r all obtuse angles.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 June 2003 16:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

the word 'rhombus' also has that world music feel so it fits perfectly

which brings me to the question of course that is always at the forefront of my dmb thought process (when i'm not thinking about the ways 'crash' encapsulates everything that is wrong with white middle class universities in the states) -- is dave matthews the fault of 'in your eyes'?

― maura (maura), Sunday, 29 June 2003 16:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

er...crash the song, or crash the album?

― allison, Sunday, 29 June 2003 18:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews owes more to Phil Collins, I think, than Peter Gabriel

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

u hataz gotta drop da hate u get me? ther is lots of diffrent types of music out there if u dont like sumthing den y not just ignore it insted of hatin. the best thing about music is dere is loads of types of diffrent music n u jus gotta find da 1 dat u like best instead of jus wastin time hatin an ting u get me? nuff time dave matthews band r messy but dey aint really my ting u get me? but i aint gonna go on a internet message board n be all like hatin an ting when dere is obviously lots of peeps who r feelin dave matthews n tink he is grimy u should jus respect dat an drop da hate u get me? at least he is makin music off his butt an ting an not jus hatin which is more than u lots have dun innit. xXxladyfirexXx

― LaDy FiRe, Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

i meant crash the song, specifically the 'hike up your skirt a little more' line.

and lady fire -- you know if it was POSSIBLE to ignore dave matthews more than i already do, i would. and how do you know what i do with my spare time anyway.

― maura (maura), Sunday, 29 June 2003 20:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

u hataz gotta drop da hate u get me?

Lady Fire, the prince of peace.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 June 2003 20:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

We've already discussed the hike up your skirt line. It's a beautiful song with beautiful lyrics that weren't written to be interpreted as degrating to women. Actually, the song is about the worship of women (as a lot of their songs are) and those who can't understand that it wasn't intended to be ill-mannered, but really just the opposite, are blowing it WAY out of proportion.

I'm confused..is "grimy" and "messy" a good thing?

― Allison, Sunday, 29 June 2003 21:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

is putting women on a pedestal and putting women in the gutter the same thing?

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Putting women on a pedestal is better because then you can look up their dress 'n shit.

― nickn (nickn), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

is "grimy" and "messy" a good thing?

Have you ever seen mudwrestling? It's the bomb!

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

that's the beauty of 'beauty' allison -- it's in the eye of the beholder. and this beholder's eye, which is also admittedly way too distracted to catch up on 800-plus (!!!) posts while she's at work, sees your 'beautiful lyrics' as ones that were written by the ham-hock hand of one of those coffeehouse singers, you know, the really sensitive ones who love to sing ooh baby baby you are so lovely through the thick-smoke haze but whose outlook on life is, let's face it, much more attuned to the male gaze as filtered through the girls gone wild (hey man they're just showing their INNER BEAUTY!!) lens

― maura (maura), Monday, 30 June 2003 03:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews Band is the best band ever. Their music is the best there is. DMB is full of musical talent and Dave himself is the sexiest man alive!!!

― Kara Kilduff, Monday, 30 June 2003 19:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

ah, the sunkissedtulips of my youth.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 30 June 2003 19:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

you're just not funny

― oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 19:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha you lived to zing another day there didn't you

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 30 June 2003 19:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews Band is the best band ever.

No they're not.

Their music is the best there is.

False in a manner that defies all semblance of language.

DMB is full of musical talent

If so, they do a fabulous job of suppressing it.

....and Dave himself is the sexiest man alive!!!

Clearly a matter of opinion, but not an opinion I happen to share with you.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 30 June 2003 20:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Shh! That's not really too beneficial to my argument, Kara. Hehe...heh...ahem. Folks, please desreguard all DMB entusiast's statements. They know not what they do.

Honestly, he's not that kind of "macho man around the guys, ladies man in public" kind of person. You don't have to believe me, but I think the wholesome validity he has is near impossible to fake. His outlook on life is much more pious and emotive than one might think someone in his position would have.
I'm going to assume you're a woman. That said, you can understand that a LOT of men are what you described above (putting on a nice little "sensitive male" front to get what they want) but unbeknownst to them...it's obvious and we can figure it out. I can't commit to memory any instances in which he seemed less than sincere than what his lyrics convey him as.
I really believe that he is genuinely writing his feelings, and I'm sure that if he thought a woman would take offense to those lyrics and get turned off to his music that he would have at least restructured the song.

― Allison, Monday, 30 June 2003 20:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Couldn't you just have responded "Clearly a matter of opinion, but not an opinion I happen to share with you," to each point, Alex?

― Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 30 June 2003 20:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

Couldn't you just have responded "Clearly a matter of opinion, but not an opinion I happen to share with you," to each point, Alex?

*insert laughing Jaz-jester here*

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 June 2003 20:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

Couldn't you just have responded "Clearly a matter of opinion, but not an opinion I happen to share with you," to each point, Alex?

Well, no. Kara expressed those sentiments as absolutes, so I decided to respond in kind. That DMB is NOT the greatest band ever isn't just my opinion, it's a hard, cold, carved-in-stone F A C T. As to whether he's sexy or not, that more of a gray area. I don't find him sexy, but then you might.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 30 June 2003 20:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

Just like to say that I, for one, would rather consume an oversized, puss-filled, pickled aardvark testicle than take note of a certain person in NYC. He may be full of great musical insight, but if so, he does a fabulous job of suppressing it.

― Allison, Monday, 30 June 2003 20:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

puss- or pus-filled aardvark testicle?

either way, a very strong image. B+

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 June 2003 20:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Alex, is right. As we all know, the greatest band ever is Wyld Stalyons.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 20:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

Allison, when are you gonna join us on some other threads? You rock, as has been observed, and might well have fun talking about the other stuff we talk about!

Just sayin', is all.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 00:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

I really hadn't had a desire to until just recently. Guess I'll stray a little from this thread and check everything out.
Just registered today...I think. Doesn't look like it's working though. =(

― Allison (Allison), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 02:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

i see your login name after your post = it's working

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 02:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love this thread so much.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 02:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

I want to have its children

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 02:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

Allison is registered, hurrah! One of us, one of us

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 03:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

Allison is the only redeeming feature of this thread.

Allison roxx u r all matey.

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 08:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

Allison is registered, hurrah! One of us, one of us
-- J0hn Darn1elle (edito...), July 1st, 2003 6:22 PM. (later)
Too late, J0hn...I already inducted her into freakdom back on the 19th.
I think Allison should become an ILX regular. -- Jon Williams, June 19th, 2003 2:30 AM.

"Gooba Gabba, Gooba Gabba, We Accept You, We Accept You! Gooba Gabba, Gooba Gabba, One of Us, One of Us!" -- Lord Custos Epsilon, June 19th, 2003 2:35 AM.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

aww, shucks.

― Allison (Allison), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 15:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Let It Be Known that Jeremy "Kingfish" Salmon officially made his comment in the Almighty DMB Thread whilst wasting time at work on the 1st day of July in the Most Foul Year of Our Lord 2003.

in other news, as has probably been mentioned previously--one's opinion of DMB is slightly different if one was a university student in the mid-late 90's. Then, you'd have EVEN MORE reason to hate him, cuz of those two fucks on yer dorm floor who'd play the record over and over and OVER AND FUCKING OVER AGAIN...

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

you dumbnuts. Dave Matthews Band are the most talented group out there from the last 20 years. Most of you havent heard an entire album or seen them in concert. So what if some fans use dmb as make out music. At least some of us can get chicks!

"hike up your dress a little more/ and show your world to me:" is a funny line. dont you guys like humor in your music? do you have to really take music so seriously? its only music. I like music as much as the next guy but why do you hate a band so much. At least they play their instruments and write their own songs. Unlike those Pop idol 'artists'.
As for yuppies /lawyers/accountants liking them so what? Is that a reason to hate a band?
Why not hate the overhyped Nirvana, the WORST thing to ever happen to music. They were rubbish at their instruments, Kurt couldnt sing , He was a junkie. They spawned a million of horrible 'indie & alternative' bands meaning an entire generation missed out on bands whoc ould actually play!

― George T, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

Do you need a hug, George?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews Band are the most talented group out there from the last 20 years

I'm trying to figure out what group came out in 1983 that was more talented than DMB. I'm hoping it was Kajagoogoo.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Why not hate the overhyped Nirvana, the WORST thing to ever happen to music. They were rubbish at their instruments, Kurt couldnt sing , He was a junkie. They spawned a million of horrible 'indie & alternative' bands meaning an entire generation missed out on bands who could actually play! "

Haha since when did being able to sing or play instruments matter? Give me Nirvana over DMB,Creed, Limp Bizkit et al any day.

Dan, maybe he meant Wham?

― Sammy James, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

And why did it say '7 new answers' when there was only 3?
Has Dave Matthews Band broke ILX?

― Sammy James, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

...an entire generation missed out on bands who could actually play!

PLEASE COME BACK YNGWIE ALL IS FORGIVEN!

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

Posts like George T's only give me the feeling of sweet, downy-soft, comfy vindication.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

This thread is awesome. It's like the Highlander, never going to die until Sean Connery comes along to lop its head off.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

As long as google lives so will this thread.

― Sammy James, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

i hate DMB because of their rabid fans. when people become violent over a band they are not fans, they are clones. i like music because of the way it touches me, not cuz you and all the rest of your pot smoking abercrombie wearing friends like it.

― kers3480, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

"As for yuppies /lawyers/accountants liking them so what? Is that a reason to hate a band?"

These same people like Huey Lewis.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

I wish googlers would start their own thread: "Why DMB must be defended." Because THIS thread is about hating DMB, NOT about why [you/we] like/should like them.

We shouldn't have to have *good* reasons for hating them - just *many* reasons.

(come on 1000!)

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Where is Allison again?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

PLEASE COME BACK YNGWIE ALL IS FORGIVEN!

RELEASE THE F*CKING FURY (again)!

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

Smart move J, using the asterisk to prevent this thread from being Googled!

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

and seriously, he didn't have to go along with that oakenfield/matrix piece of shit.

― Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

I try.

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

My roomates work for our university's computer service and last summer they had to key into every single dorm room on campus for computer maintinence. They reported back that an estimated 8 out of 10 dorm rooms have a DMB poster on the wall. The next closest was, somewhat surprisingly, Scarface.

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 22:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha - that's a portrait of young america

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 22:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

=\ this hurts...

― Allison (Allison), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 23:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

George, I hate to oppose someone who is "on my side", but really..DMB ISN'T the most talented band in the past 20 years and you saying so only helps to confirm their beliefs that all their fans are narrow-minded college kids that have very low musical standards.
Please don't encourage the regulars...they're blood-sucking fiends, the lot of them!

― Allison (Allison), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 23:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

Please don't encourage the regulars...they're blood-sucking fiends, the lot of them!

Just because you're a regular now doesn't mean you're allowed to give away our vampiric secrets.

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 23:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

is it time for another bongo solo yet?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

boom bappa boom boom bappa bappa boom bada bada bappa boom boom bapapap boom boom bappa boom boom bappa bappa boom bada bada bappa boom boom bapapap boom boom bappa boom boom bappa bappa boom bada bada bappa boom boom bapapap boom boom bappa boom boom bappa bappa boom bada bada bappa boom boom bapapap boom

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hey, that's from the extended mix of the Bangles' "Hazy Shade Of Winter" cover!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

did you say bong solo?
that'd be better.

― eedd, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 18:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yngwie Malmsteen > Nirvana

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 18:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

OK I am not having the best day of all time and Siegbran's bongo solo just cheered me up somethin' first. Hails to you, S. Now if only somebody would post a picture of that dwarf from Abruptum, preferably photoshopped so he's jammin' with the DMB, my mood power-up will be complete.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

J0hn, would you care for some fan art, instead?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

KINGFISH, YOU ARE THE MAN

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

Because THIS thread is about hating DMB, NOT about why [you/we] like/should like them.

The funny thing is, this thread didn't even start as a "Let's bash DMB" thread -- it was "Let's try to figure out WHY people hate DMB."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 20:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

and now we know that the answer is "Because they rufuse to let It from Abruptum, the black metal dwarf, take over Bez duties for them"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 20:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

And after nearly 950 posts we're none the wiser!
I live in England and I have never heard DMB at all.

― Rocky, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 20:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

And after nearly 950 posts we're none the wiser!

not necessarily. for example, this truism has been finely articulated:

Anyone who calls your genitals "a world" is clearly a creep and pig and will never go down on you unless under extreme duress...

indeed.

and here's a related truism: one of the unpublished & indirect side effects of Paxil is that it makes your jaw ache.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 20:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

::yawn:: c'mon..I'm feeling fiesty. Gimme a reason to be mean!

What?? Say somethin', bitch!

― Allison (Allison), Thursday, 10 July 2003 01:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

I mock your value system!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 10 July 2003 07:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

OPENLY!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 10 July 2003 07:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

-woah-

d00d, that was uber-harsh...

damn...

― eedd, Thursday, 10 July 2003 10:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

this thread needs even more bongos

― Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

Is there a prize for the person who makes the 1000th post?

― Marriot, Friday, 11 July 2003 10:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yes, you are no longer obligated to pay attention to this thread.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

Until it gets near 2000 after Google has this thread as its number 1 link when searching for 'Dave Matthews band'.

― Pauline, Friday, 11 July 2003 12:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

bring on the hippies!

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

Not all Dave Matthews Band fans are hippies, lawyers or college students. They have a cross section of fans of all social backgrounds,religion,color. If people say DMB are the best band in the world then its because they really believe so. Show some respect. I am in no doubt they are the best live band i have ever had the privilege to see. If there any better live bands then tell me and i'll try checking them out.
Most of you dont even have any good reason to hate the band so much. They're really nice guys too!

― Ruth, Friday, 11 July 2003 13:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

Bands I'd rather see live whose stage presence are so different from DMB that comparing them would be silly:

The Cure
Prince
Orbital
The Orb
808 State
My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
The Clientele
Poem-Cees
De La Soul
Sisters Of Mercy
Meat Beat Manifesto
Depeche Mode
Certainly, Sir

Bands who do something vaguely similar to DMB that I'd rather see:

Bela Fleck and the Flecktones

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ruth you should check out DMCB cuz they do what Dave do but they haven't lost the eye of the tiger

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

this thread is like a time warp to uh three weeks ago.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

They have a cross section of fans of all social backgrounds,religion,color.

I have yet to meet a millionaire Hasidic Jewish Maori who loves the Dave Matthews Band.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

I am in no doubt they are the best live band i have ever had the privilege to see. If there any better live bands then tell me and i'll try checking them out.

ooo! ooo! new thread time!

better live bands?

Mission of Fuckin' Burma, among others.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love the DMCB!!

― Ruth (Ruth), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

or rather, old thread time

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

Na : I have yet to meet a millionaire Hasidic Jewish Maori.
Dan: I quite like The Cure and Prince.

― Ruth (Ruth), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't even hate DMB! They're just there.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

I lurve them Cure and Prince too, Ruth -- but Dan and I are agreed that the Dave Matthews Band exists happily without our positive feedback and ignores our indifference or complaints if they have any sense of self-esteem and/or are laughing all the way to the bank, which I rather assume they are. Now, FANS of the DMB who can't accept that there are such things as differing opinions, that's something else.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

somebody call a doctor?

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

I have yet to meet a millionaire Hasidic Jewish Maori who loves the Dave Matthews Band.

BAHAhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh dear lord. Just what we need more hordes of the great unwashed hippie scum that makes up the DMB fanbase. Please NO.

― frobert, Friday, 11 July 2003 14:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

98% of this board is absolutely retarded and wouldn't know good music if it slapped them upside their pimply pale scared of the sun head. I happen to one of those twenty something yuppies who loves dave matthews and have been to many of his shows and he gets better everytime. before you can judge his music you should go see a show it will change your opinion completely

― eddy foley, Friday, 11 July 2003 15:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

ruth i was on the dmcb website and am here to help

― eddy foley, Friday, 11 July 2003 15:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

I feel like I'm in poland watching the tanks roll in. OH GOD NO

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

(answering thread title's request here)

...because their singer isn't Karl Marx!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

before you can judge his music you should go see a show it will change your opinion completely

How good could it be if I have to goto such great lengths to hear it properly? If he's so fucking brilliant, how come his records can't convince me? RAISE YOUR STANDARDS!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

Malcolm McLaren's manangement skills on behalf of the New York Dolls to thread.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

(xpost)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

I was just thinking that this thread wasn't taking long enough to load - Let's add a bunch of pictures to it!

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Good to see you eddy , but calling them 'retards' will only flame their sheer hatred of DMB fans even more.
Readingthe whole thread i saw that a few people have at least heard the cds and watched them in concert. I respect their comments. But those who call DMB fans 'Yuppie Scum' 'Hippie Scum' 'Jocks' 'Date rapists ' etc I cannot.
Not very open minded about music despite the claims. You can keep your 'Alternative' bands to yourself if thats the sort of opinions some of you have.

― Ruth (Ruth), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

date rapists?

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

Isn't DMB "Alternative"?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ruth, you read the whole thread??

― Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

DMB were alternative before they sold out, now DMCB are the keepers of the true flame

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

They confused DMB with Limp Bisquick.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ruth, you read the whole thread??

I think she's making that up - why else would she even consider that we cared about being open-minded!?

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

You can keep your 'Alternative' bands to yourself if thats the sort of opinions some of you have.

Insufferably pious post of the month!!!!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

"dave matthews band, comes alive, at the earth day festival, at a concert in brazil"

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

alternative to what?

― eddy foley, Friday, 11 July 2003 16:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

Um, if it wasn't for "Alternative" music...where would DMB be right now?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

since WHEN did we use the term, "hippie scum"?!

we here at ILX prefer the more sophisticated term of "those stinking hippie fucks like the one guy my buddy John had to room with freshman year before he moved out of South Quad".

please get your facts straight before you criticize.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ruth/ eddy -

I admire your spunk - but you're going to have to do a lot better than telling everyone to be open-minded.. Why don't you upload an mp3 section of a song that's a really good example of the band's talent.? Explain what makes them so great.. (Use technical terms.) Describe how/why some passage really is creative...

This thread is getting more boring than Dave Matthews hisself.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

can any of the calvary confirm or deny the rumours vis a vis dave matthews bait choice whilst sheatfishing in the po river?

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

and do he like the crawdad?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

yes, that also

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

blink.

I know what you're trying to do....

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

HAHA!

"I hate Dave Matthews because he USES KITTENS AS FISH BAIT."

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

So who gets the honour of the 100th post?

― Terry Wogan, Friday, 11 July 2003 16:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

***1000***

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

MOTHERFUCKER

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

you mean 1000th?

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

Relax - we'll be at 2,000 by next wednesday.

I just didn't want it to be squandered on plain text. Although a picture of Chris Gaines might have been nice too.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

Are there actually HREF's to this thread on DMB sites? If so I think some admin should toos some javascript that wraps this whole thread in a <MARQUEE> if you come from a DMB site.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh, that is INSPIRED!

Like this?

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

I happen to one of those twenty something yuppies

Is this something ANYONE says as a point of pride?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

or maybe EMBEDing a soundclip of something funny?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

Like Nelson Muntz going "you like Dave Matthews Band! HA HA!"?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

bah...I give up.
(and DMCB sucks rancid potato salad from a monkey's ass...I saw them in Myrtle Beach and almost cried)

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

...sucks rancid potato salad from a monkey's ass.

With language like that....THERE'S HOPE FOR YOU YET, ALLISON!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

You're so patronizing, Alex! (Pot, Kettle, "black!")

― J (Jay), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't think that was criticism, J.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

Neither was that. Damn, sometimes I'm too obtuse. Sorry.

― J (Jay), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

Well you should have said something like "Mr. Pot welcomes Baby Kettle with open arms!" then. It's been a long day for me, I can't be expected to be on top of everything.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

When I'm trying to sound patronizing,....YOU'LL KNOW IT!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

and now a special word from the ODB, brought to you by the 1000th post:

"All of y'alls need to shut the fuck up and start stickin' other things in yo mouf"

Yes, that was a special message from the ODB, brought to you by the 1000th.

We now return you to your regular broadcast program(me), "Bongo Solos of the Canadian Midwest", here on BBC4.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

...*gulp*

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

We now return you to your regular broadcast program(me), "Bongo Solos of the Canadian Midwest", here on BBC4.
...and we're back...with 'Special Guest' Byran Adams, and he's here to tell us how to "get funky"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Longtime viewers will remember Bryan's last appearance on our show, where he asked us all if we ever really, really ever loved a woman, before getting a stern on-camera beatdown by a sizable contingent of our female staffers.

Well, the stitches are out, the reconstructive surgery has fully healed, and Bryan is back again.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Everything that ODB does, he does it for DMB.

― J (Jay), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

"So, Bryan...here's your chance to plug your new record 'Heartbreaker' and a chance to talk about your old band Whiskeytown."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

"And Bryan, are you getting a lot of use out of those Junos, or do you just use them to scratch your ass? Have you gotten in a Juno Fight with Tom Cochrane yet?"

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

You all have to be the dumbest bastards on the face of the Earth......

Note* The following people are gay:

Kingfish
Jon Williams
Alex in NYC

And too many damn assholes to say!

― Adrian McCoy (Adrian McCoy), Saturday, 12 July 2003 14:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yes, they are all very happy joyous people. Glad you recognised those qualities Adrian. Are you gay too?

From http://www.dictionary.com

Gay : Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.

Just incase you are even more ignorant than I thougt you were.

― Rambo, Saturday, 12 July 2003 14:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

Adrian, Dave has obviouslly lost the Eye of the Tiger. There is no debate. But have you heard DMCB?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Saturday, 12 July 2003 14:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Are you a jock , Adrian?
Are you bringing all your friends with you?
Bring on the jocks and hippies.

― Rambo, Saturday, 12 July 2003 14:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

ok, quit with the fucking DMCB...pleaseeeeee. We've already established that they are the musical equivalent of a comatose snail.
Can I ask what exactly the "eye of the tiger" is? (other than a song by survivor)

― Allison (Allison), Saturday, 12 July 2003 15:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

hey i heard a john mayer song on uk radio. i think it's called No Such Thing and it has a soft-rocking beast of a chorus. he does sound like dave matthews and his voice is too wishy washy, but the chorus is truly ace. i haven't read this whole thread.

― lid, Saturday, 12 July 2003 15:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's the thrill of the fight, risin' up to the challenge Of our rival!

― J (Jay), Saturday, 12 July 2003 19:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

Seriously.

― J (Jay), Saturday, 12 July 2003 19:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

from my inbox:

Keep up the dmb slam page, I'm sure dmb won't mind this crap you write about them as if this site were a food it would have NO nutritional value!!!!!!! DMB & DMCB ROCKS!

==
This email was sent by Rick (Sniperick004@aol.com), a user of
ilXor.com.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 12 July 2003 20:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hooray! I'm gay!

I'm considered an official part of ILM now!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 12 July 2003 22:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Note* The following people are gay:
Thats your turgid wet dream, adrian, not ours. We wouldn't pork you with a stolen schwantze.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 12 July 2003 22:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha - dave matthews roxx the following people r gay!

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 12 July 2003 22:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

hahahahahaha

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 12 July 2003 22:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

HAR!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 12 July 2003 22:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure dmb won't mind this crap you write about them as if this site were a food it would have NO nutritional value!!!!!!! DMB & DMCB ROCKS!

this entire thread has now been justified. thank you spencer, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Sunday, 13 July 2003 04:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Note* The following people are gay:

Kingfish
Jon Williams
Alex in NYC

If realizing that the DMB are yawnsome, overrated crap makes me gay....THEN FETCH ME A PINK FEATHER BOA AND SOME ROUGE AT ONCE! I'M OFF TO THE RODEO, BOYS!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 July 2003 12:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

I wanna be gay too! Why can't I be gay?

― J (Jay), Monday, 14 July 2003 12:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

oh J, it's so easy to be gay!

however, most of us gay-folk are now trying to ascend to the level of TEH GHEY, which only the gayest acolytes/members/devotees may achieve.

it's a long, hard trip, but we'll all get there in the end.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 14 July 2003 12:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

You're so precious, I'd do anything;
Voguing from your feet to where your weave begins.
You're so glammy, you're too good to be true!
You make me, make me, make me, make me want to buy shoes!

Everything you do is simply fabulous!
Everything you wear is quite exquisite!
So why can't I be gay???

― Fey(?) Robert Smith (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 12:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

This thread finally has a purpose.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

I do what I can.

― J (Jay), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

GREAT NEWS!! DAVE MATTHEWS SOLO ALBUM!!!!!!!!!!

Edited By Jonathan Cohen. July 14, 2003, 4:15 PM ET

Matthews Gets 'Personal' On 'Some Devil'

Dave Matthews tells Billboard.com that, in many ways, his recently completed solo debut reveals a side of the singer/songwriter that his fans have not yet seen. Matthews says "Some Devil," due in September on RCA, includes some of his most introspective material to date. "This was very, very, very, very personal," he says. "It was a good soul-searching thing for me to do. I think the songs are more introspective in many ways."

The album features an as-yet-untitled track co-written by Matthews and Phish's Trey Anastasio, who also adds guitar work to the record. Steve Harris, who produced Dave Matthews Band's last studio effort, "Busted Stuff," played on "Some Devil" and co-wrote and arranged some of the songs with Matthews.

The bulk of the album is composed of songs written this year. Some fans will recognize the tracks "Stay or Leave" and "Gravedigger," a pair of cuts Matthews has played over the last year at his acoustic dates with Tim Reynolds. Reynolds plays guitar on the set, which also features drummer Brady Blade and bassist Tony Hall, both of whom have played with Emmylou Harris.

"Some Devil" was created gradually over the past year and finished about a month ago. Initially, Matthews says he didn't know "what I was gonna do with all this. And then it all started to fall together and get personality, and started to sound a little more legitimate. Going into it, it just seemed like a good therapy, ya know? And then it started to really take on some personality. [After a few months] we started thinkin', 'We might be makin' something worthwhile here.'"

Of "Gravedigger" and "Stay or Leave," Matthews says, "They didn't ever really sit in with the band. They never really got their heads above the water. They never really developed, and I'm not sure what the reasoning was, maybe just the wrong day. They're songs that I like, so I was messing with those, but I was also messing with other ideas."

"I think the idea of recording a couple of things that just didn't have a place with the band grew into a sort of, just a writing experience and recording experience that in some ways I hadn't really expected," he continues. The vast majority of the Dave Matthews Band catalog is composed of songs co-written by its five members, the exception being songs from the album "Everyday," many of which were co-written by Matthews and songwriter/producer Glen Ballard.

Matthews says there's really no comparison between the songs on "Some Devil" and those on his band efforts. And as the album nears release, he says that he's excited, but he is being cautious not to get his hopes up: "Like most of what I've done, it's done, and so now I just move on from it. I'm excited, I hope people like it, but I try not to get too excited because what if everyone f***in' hates it? Then I can let it go like an empty beer can. That's the way I look at it now: My part in it is done, and I hope people like it. But in case they don't, I'm gonna try not to invest too much in it that I might be disappointed."

-- Wes Orshoski, N.Y.

― Dennis, Monday, 14 July 2003 21:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Why do you think we throw stuff at you?

You own all our cd's- you're gay, you're gay
You own all our 7"s- you're gay, you're gay
You bought all our t-shirts- you're gay, you're gay
You go to all our shows- you're gay, you're gay

[Chorus:] All our fans are gay [x4]

[Chorus]

If we're nice to you, it's because we're broke
Or unless you got some drugs to smoke
When the drugs are gone, then we are too
Then we'll go back to making fun of you

[Fan voice:] "But I've supported you guys for so long"
FAGGOT!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 14 July 2003 21:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

The album features an as-yet-untitled track co-written by Matthews and Phish's Trey Anastasio

As appealing as a cigar-smoke-filled meal with Henry Kissinger and Karl Rove earnestly discussing the virtues of Wendell Wilkie.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 21:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

wTF THIS BORED IS CALLED "I LOVE MUSIC:" THAT IS SO MESSED UP BCUZ YOU OBLIVIOUSLY DONT LISTEN TO ***REAL** MUSIC!!!!!!!! DAVE IS THE MOST TALENTID MUSIC PERSON EVER SINCE THE ROLLING STONES AND IF U DONT BELIEVE ME JUST LISTEN TO SOMEHTING BY HIM

OR IF U THINK UR AGLEGDLY TOO "COOL" 4 DMB THEN JUST FUCK OFF AND LISTEN TO UR CRAP "INDY" MUSIC LOL OK WHATEVER

DIEEEEEEEEE

― DMB, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 02:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

YOU OBLIVIOUSLY DONT LISTEN TO ***REAL** MUSIC!!!!!!!!
No, of course not, we all do drugs and listen to music in our heads only we can hear.

(The above is an oblivious...er, um...obvious troll.)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 02:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love Google.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

A very TALENTID troll LOL.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

What is truly amazing is how suddenly the mood changes...

LOL == Jocularity
OK == Acceptance
WHATEVER == Cynicism
DIEEEEEEEEE == Violent Hatred

weird.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

this thread has taken a life of its own, like some glitch in the matrix.

like this one, for example:

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

dammit!

THIS is the image that should have displayed. Does somebody else want to host it? Photoisland gets bitchy when more than one of its images is linked to from a page.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

have any of you listened to dmb? i would have been interested to hear some real reasons they were disliked. i was sadly disappointed. this entire page exists only as a place for sexually frustrated, overly analytical, recordphile music snobs to get together and slam an easy target. of course you can rip dmb to shreds--he's one of the highest selling touring acts in history. if you consider yourself a music snob, being popular is reason enough to hate said offender with the fire of a thousand suns. whether or not i am a dmb fan has no bearing on whether or not i think every person who has posted hear is a close-minded music snob asshole--the absolute worst kind of music lover. so instead of wasting your time here, why don't you all go searching for some rare unreleased clash record and leave everyone else and their music taste alone? so you don't like dmb, who cares? but don't try and convince yourself and everyone else that your opinions are worth more just because you are a
"nonconformist." that's about as conformist as it gets. please, someone get a real opinion. i'm begging you.

― southpaw, Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

so you don't like people who don't like Dave Matthews, who cares?

(OMG, MAKE IT STOP, MAKE IT STOP!!!!)

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

being popular is reason enough to hate said offender with the fire of a thousand suns

This isn't true for most of the people here by a very long shot, southpaw. Read this board a little before calling us all "close-minded music snob assholes."

"Asshats" is the preferred term around here.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

please, someone get a real opinion. i'm begging you.

It's much more fun to imagine you reading the whole thread, you not getting it and crying and wetting yourself and then posting this. Sorry.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

AGLEGDLY

ok this is the single most classic thing ever & I call for an ilx0r resolution that we shall all use the word "aglegdly" wherever & whenever possible

hate all/shot all remains the thread's high point however

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

How do you pronounce it, actually?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

"supposably"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

you pronounce it "Dave Matthews roxxx u r all gay"

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

I am enlightened.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

someone on this thread has to be

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 17 July 2003 05:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

This thread keeps popping up to the top of the list like a corpse that hasn't been weighted properly. Or one of those poos that floats.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 17 July 2003 05:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

it's where Jay-Z vs. Nas went to die.

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 17 July 2003 05:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

Haters, haters, haters. Give this thread a couple hundred more posts and it'll yield the secrets of the universe. YE MUST HAVE FAITH

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 05:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

so instead of wasting your time here, why don't you all go searching for some rare unreleased clash record and leave everyone else and their music taste alone?
The Clash sucks! They're so popular! I hate their fans!

You had me at " this entire page exists only as a place for sexually frustrated, overly analytical, recordphile music snobs to get together and slam an easy target." -duh.

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 17 July 2003 11:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

Give this thread a couple hundred more posts and it'll yield the secrets of the universe. YE MUST HAVE FAITH
'The First Church Of Digital Grepping' to Thread
And [He] frowned. He knew those sentient humans would be a problem. Even after He had sweated over a hot terminal for thirteen days, those humans were ungrateful. They called their place of existence the "Universe", not the "Great Programmer/Universe". On the fourteenth day, he decided to take action. He would send these humans The Meaning Of Life, and soon the world would worship Him and his Hacking Skills. He did just that. He inspired a certain human to produce a work of art which includes His message, The Meaning Of Life. Eventually the humans would discover the .plan of the Great Programmer hidden in a certain work of art and all would be well...

The Sacred Readme is a tad vague, but the church's High Priest believes that "The Meaning Of Life" is encoded in either a popular song, or a Hollywood movie, or an Adobe e-book.

or a musicologist forum thread about Das Dafe Mettews Bend.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 17 July 2003 11:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Give this thread a couple hundred more posts and it'll yield the secrets of the universe. YE MUST HAVE FAITH.

Last night, for no apparent reason, I started reading The Da Vinci Code. I therefore believe this statement unconditionally! That, and TheFeyRobertSmith roxxx u r all not gay enuf.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

DMB is the sign of the end times!!
the glazed masses swaying, hopping, TWIRILING to the lethargic sounds.
the idol is the piper, leading the unwashed and the jamtastic to Judgement Day!!!
REPENT DMB FOLLOWERS!!! repent before the heavens rain fire and you spend eternity on an endless, bad jam on 'Dark Star'!!!!!

― edde, Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

proof fans of jam bands are yuppie scum

― yuppie hater, Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

maybe it's like Watchmen, where they take all the people in the know out on a big boat, and then blow it the fuck up.

we can dream, can't we?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha, i'd love to see an indie cruise, or better yet, a warp records cruise. all those shutins with their laptops sitting out by the pool with layers of SPF 300, playing starcraft and arguing about whether or not astrobotnia is richard james or not.

― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 17 July 2003 19:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

HAR!

"LAN PARTY ON THE POOL DECK! BRING YOUR FINAL SCRATCH!"

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 17 July 2003 20:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

everytime I use one of the UGA computer libraries (such as now for instance) without fail someone before me has either visited jambands.com or saddlecreekrecords.com . I'm not sure which depresses me more.(actually I am - saddlecreekrecords.com).

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 July 2003 21:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

I wish you dave hataz would at least list your 10 favorite bands that you think are better than DMB.

Its not true that all DMB fans like Phish or Counting Crows.
I like all sorts from The Cure, Depeche Mode, REM,U2,Bowie, Orbital,Massive Attack ,The Jam, Smiths,Echo & The Bunnymen, Killing Joke. I dislike Creed, Grateful Dead, Pearl jam, Nirvana, Counting Crows, Limp bizkit etc.
So come on everyone who posted here tell me your 10 favorite bands.

― Dave Matthews Fan, Friday, 18 July 2003 00:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

I like all sorts from The Cure, Depeche Mode, REM,U2,Bowie, Orbital,Massive Attack ,The Jam, Smiths,Echo & The Bunnymen, Killing Joke

Alex in NYC, yer BUSTED!

― J (Jay), Friday, 18 July 2003 01:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

you know, at this point this thread is so long that why not list my ten favorite bands? note this list changes daily:

Lifter Puller
Stockholm Monsters
Souled American
Blonde Redhead
Enon
Steely Dan
Morbid Angel
Randy Newman
Rufus Wainwright
The Streets

...and now we just sit back and wait for trife to come in and holler about how those are all white people, but again, that list changes daily - two weeks ago it would've had Scarface on it

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 July 2003 01:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

and by next week Barbara Morgenstern will have replaced Rufus Wainwright, probably

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 July 2003 01:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

1. Steve Miller Band
2. Average White Band
3. The Gap Band
4. Fatback Band
5. J. Geils Band
6. The Beta Band
7. The Ned Band
8. The Band
9. Boyd Tinsley
10. Killing Joke

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 July 2003 01:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

(i love this thread cuz we finally get a sandbox for custos!)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 July 2003 02:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

And I'm really, really wondering where this continual DMB-KJ crossover comes in. Everytime I see a DMB googler namecheck Jaz, I can feel another part of Alex dying. It's kind of like how Christians feel whenever Pat Robertson opens his mouth.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 July 2003 02:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sexually aroused, you mean?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 July 2003 02:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

XXXactly!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 July 2003 02:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Or castrated, whatever works best.

Anyway, I don't HAVE ten favorite bands. I have more.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 July 2003 02:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

ten bands that i really like:

husker du
replacements
james brown
the meters
radio birdman
leonard cohen
joy division/new order (counting as one)
spacemen 3/spiritualized (....sure, why not?)
the who
my bloody valentine
slowdive
modern lovers
the beatings
the descendents
mission of burma
big black
the soft boys
public enemy
elmore james
john lee hooker
slim cessna's auto club
sixteen horsepower
...

oops, that's a bit more than ten, innit? oh well.
y'know, i should just paste my LiveJournal interest list in here, that'd work, too.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 18 July 2003 04:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

In the distant future, a race of super-intelligent, computer-based lifeforms will melt through the ice and thaw out this thread, encased in carbon -- a cold, lonely echo from a long-dead civilzation, nattering away to itself, in the dying days of a long-forgotten world.

― Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 18 July 2003 04:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

perhaps this thread will turn into TS: Dave Matthews Band vs Killing Joke?

― Ramon, Friday, 18 July 2003 09:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

My ten favorites as of this week.

1. Matt Pond PA
2. Broken Social Scene
3. The White Birch
4. Pernice Brothers
5. Love
6. Iron And Wine
7. Joy Division
8. Nick Drake
9. Simon and Garfunkel
10. Kings of Convenience

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

Let's see...
Bread
The Carpenters
Little River Band
Atlanta Rhythm Section
Nena
Hall & Oates
Eddie Money
Eddie Rabbit
Billy Joel
Killing Joke

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

(i love this thread cuz we finally get a sandbox for custos!)
And to think I was thinking of using it for a litter box.

I wish you dave hataz would at least list your 10 favorite bands that you think are better than DMB.
Okay...
1] Velvet Underground
2] Midnight OIl
3] The Sundays
4] Fine Young Cannibals
5] World Party
6] The Cure
7] The Pogues
8] Siouxsie and the Banshees
9] Dead Kennedies
10] GWAR

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ooops...maybe I should stick to bands a DMB fan might've heard of
1] Eagles
2] Rolling Stones
3] Fleetwood Mac
4] The Doors
5] Creedence Clearwater Revival
6] Soundgarden
7] Nirvana
8] Cream
9] Derek and the Dominoes
10] U2

Maybe it'd be more of a challenge to think of 10 bands that the Dafe Mettews Bend is actually better than....

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

"And comparing him to Hitler? I think that's the rudest, most iggnorant thing I have ever heard. Hitler killed 6 million people. Dave makes 6 million people happy every year."

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 18 July 2003 11:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

is possible that this thread could be more classic?!?!!!
nay.
i think not...

― eedd, Friday, 18 July 2003 11:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

"iggnorant" !!!

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 18 July 2003 11:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

it'd have been funnier if he'd said "Plum iggernent." in a thick Texas draaawl.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 July 2003 11:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

i prefer the term, "ign'ant"

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think my ten favorite groups right now would be:

1) The Cure
2) Prince
3) Radiohead
4) Orbital
5) Severed Heads
6) Siouxsie and the Banshees
7) My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
8) Pet Shop Boys
9) New Order
10) Massive Attack

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

At this moment, subject to change during the next one:

1) Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band
2) Creedence Clearwater Revival
3) The Tony Williams Lifetime
4) Opeth (Thanx ILM!)
5) Mrs. Children (local pop act)
6) Ween
7) Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company (early moog, Terry Riley ripoff)
8) Enon
9) Danielson Famile
10) Steely Dan

― J (Jay), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

in light of Dave225's list I am changing all ten of my favorite bands and the amended list is as follows:

1. Little River Band
2. Little River Band
3. Little River Band
4. Little River Band
5. Little River Band
6. Little River Band
7. Little River Band
8. Little River Band
9. Little River Band
10. KRS-One

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 July 2003 14:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

i still say dave has the worst list there.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 18 July 2003 14:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

Why, because Killing Joke is on it?

― J (Jay), Friday, 18 July 2003 14:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

I was thinking more the Eddie Rabbit, but that's just me.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 July 2003 14:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

Here's a quote I will use frequently - best out of context:
"I was thinking more the Eddie Rabbit."

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 18 July 2003 15:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Just saw this thread via google and you guys clearly have no taste. Theres no current bands better than DMB. They're in the top ten bands of all time along with the beatles,fleetwood mac,rolling stones, the cure, depeche mode , pink floyd , spacemen 3 and killing joke.

― DMB Fan, Friday, 18 July 2003 16:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Har, Har and thrice Har!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 July 2003 16:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

man i fuckin love a rainy night.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 18 July 2003 17:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ok ive never heard of Killing Joke. have no idea who they are or look like, but I read the thread and thought i'd show that Allison wasnt the only DMB fan with a sense of humor.

If you dont like dave because you dont like the albums you've heard the fair enough. But please don't judge them on who some of the fans are. Fans of all bands have buttmunches as beavis would say.

― DMB Fan, Friday, 18 July 2003 17:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

I like you, DMB Fan.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 July 2003 17:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 18 July 2003 18:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

"...have buttmunches..."!?! OH MY GOD OUCH.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 18 July 2003 18:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

how about the top 10 shitty bands that are better than DMB?

-aerosmith
-tom petty
-destiny's child
-jane's addiction
-staind
-creed
-cake
-they might be giants

fuck this is hard

― heather, Friday, 18 July 2003 18:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

destiny's child rox your pants off. take it back now!

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 18 July 2003 19:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

Jon Williams: which Old Republic "Letter Ship" is that? The P-Wing?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 July 2003 20:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love each and everyone of you.
Apart from Ned Raggett.
Alex In NYC , Killing Joke USED to rock.

― Dave Matthews, Friday, 18 July 2003 23:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

Alex In NYC , Killing Joke USED to rock.

What the fuck do YOU know about it? Cretin!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 July 2003 23:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Alex , Ned & KJ all dissed by a dave matthews fan. Doesnt it bring tears of joy to you all?
Maybe Alex will respond with pics of Jaz Coleman Scaring Dave Matthews.
Or just loads of scary KJ pics to scare of DMB fans .

― Helena, Friday, 18 July 2003 23:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

I now weep tears of joy

my top ten: Lifter Puller, Prince, James Brown, Sly & the Family Stone, Neil Young & Crazy Horse, Velvet Underground, Acen, Luomo, Funky 4 + 1, Raydio

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 19 July 2003 07:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

Raydio!

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 19 July 2003 07:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Matos ain't afraid of no ghosts!

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 19 July 2003 07:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

no, that's solo Ray Parker Jr. Raydio is the first three albums (well, the first two, the third is Ray Parker Jr. & Raydio)

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 19 July 2003 07:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Raydio is where Ray Parker realizes he has nothing to fear from the dead.

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 19 July 2003 07:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

it is when he goes solo, and is able to face death down on his own terms, that he is able (and willing) to declare "I ain't afraid of no ghosts"

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 19 July 2003 07:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ray Parker Jr. and Raydio

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 19 July 2003 07:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

Alex , Ned & KJ all dissed by a dave matthews fan. Doesnt it bring tears of joy to you all?

Tears of laughter to me, frankly. As does this post. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 July 2003 09:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

bustin makes me feel good!

you got ghosts, baby, freaky ghosts...

― eedd, Saturday, 19 July 2003 14:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Just found this and spent an hour reading it. What a load of shit. You retards clearly don't know anything about music. You cant even give good reasons what you think is wrong with the music. You all suck. All the bands you like suck.Dave Matthews Band are the most talented band since my other favorite band The Beatles.
And arent killing joke the band that ripped off that shit grunge group Nirvana, who killed good music in the 90s?
Indie music sucks!

― Dave Matthews Is God!, Saturday, 19 July 2003 18:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

you know you're right

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 19 July 2003 18:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

I've noticed that many of the DMB fans seem to truly hate Nirvana .Blamingthem for killing good music? Which music would they be talking about?
And as for dissing Indie/Alternative music .... I thought DMB fans claimed they were alternative and lead alternative lifestyles like The Dead etc did before them?

― Jaime, Saturday, 19 July 2003 18:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

accounting's an alternative lifestyle?

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 19 July 2003 18:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

Somebody had to count the profits from all those Jerry Garcia ties.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 July 2003 18:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

And arent killing joke the band that ripped off that shit grunge group Nirvana, who killed good music in the 90s?

Do you really expect me to take the bait on this one? I know I'm somewhat predictable, but c'mon.....give me SOME credit.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 19 July 2003 19:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Attention DMB aficionados: If you obtain the urge to express your devotion to the Dave Matthews Band, please refrain from doing so untill you have proofread your post, making sure that you have conveyed your adoration in a completely respectful and intelligent manner, so as to avoid nullifying Allison's many attempts at regaining esteem for herself and other Dave Matthews Band admirers.

There are 4 very simple rules.
1) There are TWO spaces after you end a sentence. I'm led to believe that the only people who aren't aware of this are DMB fans that post on this thread.
2) DO NOT insult Killing Joke or Alex in NYC. You WILL be ruthlessly chastised by an extremely callous man.
3) The Dave Matthews Band is NOT "the best band ever". Please avoid saying so unless you have heard every band ever.
4) Spell check, people...use the fucking spell check!

― Allison (Allison), Saturday, 19 July 2003 19:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

"talent"

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 19 July 2003 19:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

5)Let Allison do all your arguing

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 19 July 2003 19:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

(Admittedly I just posted that to be an asshole; I'm sure there are much more complex songs in DMB's repertoire)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

I still totally <3 Allison.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'll say in DMB's defense that that song is an instrumental bonus track that is useful only if you want something to fall asleep to.

― Allison (Allison), Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

I find it hard to believe that even Dave Matthews mum would like his music..

― Sly, Sunday, 20 July 2003 01:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

You WILL be ruthlessly chastised by an extremely callous man.

Thanks a lot.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 20 July 2003 03:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

You WILL be ruthlessly chastised by an extremely callous man.
Well when you phrase it like that, it sounds like it'll cost a lot of money and involve a latex bodystocking.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 20 July 2003 03:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

I cant wait for Dave's solo album. Should be terrific.
Will he tour?

― Toni, Sunday, 20 July 2003 14:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure the good folks here will all download it and give it a fair chance and then review it on this board. Some may even secretly buy it, like they do with DMB albums. They just wont admit it as dave isnt trendy enough for them.

― Carl, Sunday, 20 July 2003 23:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Just keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, did you know that not everyone likes the same flavors of ice cream you do?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 July 2003 01:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

mint chocolate chip to thread!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those who like Dave Matthews Band, and those who don't. And I would never want to have lived this life being one of the ones that don't.

The best band on earth = Dave Matthews Band.

Those who don't agree just suck, and that's the plain and simple truth.
Thank you, and goodnight.

"Some people like to drink.. some people don't. Some people like to think and some won't.. some people like to smoke a bowl, and some don't.. some people do.. and some people don't. But its ok, 'cause its meant to be that way." - Dave Matthews

Dave, obviously, is a little more tolerant of people with bad taste in music than I am.

Peace out nerds.
.BekaH

― Bekah, Monday, 21 July 2003 11:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

How ironic, the entire DMB thread summarized by a shitty DMB lyric.

― NA the Billion Dollar Hobo (Nick A.), Monday, 21 July 2003 11:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Can't we please just take this thread to the ASPCA and have it put to sleep? It keeps threatening to froth at the mouth.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 21 July 2003 11:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

You'll never make it to 2000 with that attitude.

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 21 July 2003 11:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

Thats okay. I just spend eternity partying like it's 1999.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 21 July 2003 12:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

oh, the humor on a monday morn

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh for fuck's sake why wont it just die?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dave, obviously, is a little more tolerant of people with bad taste in music than I am.

Some lessons aren't learned, I see.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 July 2003 15:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews Band will one day crack Britain. His genius means he can't remain unknown across the water. He just needs to tour and play Glastonbury to raise his profile.

― Lena, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 09:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Have we stumbled across the meaning of life yet?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

i think this thread killed ILX for a day.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

It Didn't because Dave Matthews Band IS the meaning of life!

― The Resurrector, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

is that anything like the Water of Life?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Paul: "Those who used DMB tried and failed?"
Rev Mother Mohiam: "They tried and died."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

"and how can this be? for Dave is the Kwisatz Haderach!"

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

thanks.

stupid photoisland. i need to remember that they only allow one link per page.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

fun fact: the kid who played Alia grew up into the tasty Alicia Witt, who was the little piano-playing sister in "Twin Peaks", and was the freaky ex-porn chick in "Cecil B. Demented"

"jingle balls, jingle balls..."

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

(I like that Bekah exposed her inner nerdiness by trolling a web board. You go, girl!)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

i love you all. i thought i was the only one who loved that movie (and is now creeped out by how hot alicia witt is."

― Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Save this thread!

(This is Mark C, who never posts on ILM, volunteering for the ILXor army in the 100 Years of Dave Mattews War. I would be perfectly willing to lay my life down for the right to diss the least interesting, ambitious and vivacious music on the planet)

― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

You imbeciles are powerless against the the likes of us. I'm afraid your first mistake has already been made in underestimating our sizeable assemblage of hippies and frat boys. Surrender yourselves now to evade the extreme humilation and agony of your inevitable defeat.

― Allison (Allison), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 14:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Chuuuuuuuuk-SAH!
(*the first regiment of frat boy jarheads explodes into bloody, greasy giblets*)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 14:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

just like in Quake!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Surrender yourselves now to evade the extreme humilation and agony of your inevitable defeat.
We Fremen have a saying...
"God created DMB to test our patience."
One cannot go against the sick sense of humor of God.

...and his word shall carry death eternal
to those who stand against the righteous.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

The RIGHTEOUS?!?!?!?!?!

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

(I shall bend like a reed in the wind...)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

well, the self-righteous, then.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

Felcher is secretly Sting? Oh dear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Chuuuuuuuuk-SAH!
BLADOW!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

DMB Fans all over the world dissapear in a splatter of gore.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

(gasp)
...Custos no longer needs the Weirding Module...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

DEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-MMM'BEE! *BOOM*

"our name is now a killing word."

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

http://ddraven.tripod.com/dune/

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

hee hee. that's a cute quiz.

in other news, i never knew that Jack Nance was in _Dune_ until i was mucking about on IMDB yesterday.

"There...was a fish...IN the percolater, my Baron."

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

i love the colors in that picture

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

You fools! Did you honestly think that I would compose my regiment solely of frat boys and hippies? My master plan shall soon come into effect, and your attempts to rid the world of DMB fans will be a miserable failure. Heed my warning, for your cruel endeavors will not go unpunished.

― Allison (Allison), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

looks like some freaky Wizard of Oz/emerald shit.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Foolish woman, our Jihad will Cleanse the Universe of ALL jam bands!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

god forbid what the frat boys & hippies would do even they ever got their hands on the spice Melange...

Give me spice! Drive them into utter submission. You must not show the slightest pity or mercy... as only you can... Never stop!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

That CANNOT be a real photo. It HAS to be a holloween costume. Thats too friggin wretched for even the most acid-addled fule to wear.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

Heed my warning, for your cruel endeavors will not go unpunished.
I.. I.. I've always been a big DMB fan... I mean, what's not to like? They're sweet, and they totally rock ... ! I never said nothin' bad about them. Help me out here, guys...

Wait - oh!
Foolish woman, our Jihad will Cleanse the Universe of ALL jam bands!
I hate DMB and all other jam bands. Buncha fucks. Screw 'em.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

Did someone just secretly use "the voice" on dave225?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

Your inane comments will no longer be tolerated, Custos. You leave me no choice but to kill you. Unless we are stopped, the wrath of a thousand cronies shall soon penetrate and demolish your army.

― Allison (Allison), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 17:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

it's probably a pic of grown up frat types dressed up as hippies.

here's some real hippies

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 17:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

Your inane comments will no longer be tolerated, Custos.
Try and stop me.
...
Ha, couldn't do it. (*Blows loud raspberry*)
You leave me no choice but to kill you.
I've got my personal shield on. You can't get me.

(Note: wouldn't it be hilarious if we found out that Allison was really Tanya Headon in disguise. And DMB turns out to be the only music she doesn't hate!)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

be careful! the slow blade penetrates!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Then Allison and I will join each other in death!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wow...when you see that written down...that just looks sooooo "Amatuer Goth Poetry Slam Nite"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Y'know what. This is too many "Dune" references for just one thread.
Kingfish...I suspect This thread can get more ~~melange~~ mileage out of them.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

i know. I just like the fact that when this thread is revived in 2004, it'll have all this random sub-stream-of-consciousness turns, with the occasional holdover in pop culture. Like Odysseus wandered thru the modern day pop culture landscape, never able to return home, but never bored, either.

and, in our version, Odysseus looks like the Kurt Russell character in "Big Trouble in Little Trouble", riding thru the night on the Pork Chop Express.

plus, i thought it'd be funny to somehow conflate DMB & Dune references. It's certainly been entertaining for the last day or so.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's officially 1200 posts. Nas and Jay-Z...we're coming after YOU.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 22:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

RIP- Jack Nance.

this thread should just turn into a giant Jack Nance memorium, where we post quotes from all the lynch films he was in.

"she's dead. wrapped in plastic."

or just continue with the Dune references as they seem to pass overtop the heads of most. even the most ardent frat-geek-boy can't muster that kinda devotion...

gawd bless this thread. it keeps my hope alive...

― eedd, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 22:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

We STILL haven't found the secret of life. We pray and we meditate and suck down huge quantities of sapphu juice and melange pellets...and we're just not making any headway.
Maybe Dave Matthews himself will appear -- Jesus-like -- and utter golden syllables of cosmische truth and we will all be enlightened...

...oh...wait, I'm sorry...I'm trying to type this with a straight face and it just...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 22:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

(side question: Exactly how many posts ARE in the Nas vs Jay-Z threads?)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 22:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

say, how many of the lady ILM readers out there are sexually attracted to Brad Dourif for all the weirdo/psycho characters that he plays?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 24 July 2003 00:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm amazed. Nobody in continental Europe (where I'm from) listens to Dave Matthews Band. I only know them very little from a feature on British MTV. There, they seemed pretty dull and harmless, and with a certain Patrick Bateman appeal (see: Genesis, Whitney Houston, Huey Lewis & The News). What's all the fuss about? Isn't DMB just plain ol' boring?

― Jay K (Jay K), Thursday, 24 July 2003 00:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ah, fuck off.

― Allison (Allison), Thursday, 24 July 2003 00:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

No Doubt Y'All Redneck Hataz Would Prefer This
Too many rednecks on this forum. DMB have fans of all color,creed,class etc. Can't believe some of you all went on about how black people don't like DMB. How many black people like your beloved sonic youths and killing jokes? Not even a point worth considering is it? So why say it about DMB.
Dave Rocks!

― Helena, Thursday, 24 July 2003 03:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

You can't rock if you're called Dave. Unless you're a DJ. Daves that are non-DJs do not rock, almost by definition. Do Colins rock? No. No way can a Colin rock. Neither can a Dave.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 24 July 2003 03:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

"What you talkin' 'bout, colin?"

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 July 2003 04:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

I would rebut Helena's assertion, but I suspect that all these DMB fans who jump in, post once and never post again would never read my brilliant rebuttal.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 24 July 2003 11:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Helena completely undercut her point by linking to something that looks really, really cool in theory.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 July 2003 11:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

Go for it Lord Custos.

― Helena, Thursday, 24 July 2003 13:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

Okay, I'm back.
First: let's break down your post one clause at a time.

Too many rednecks on this forum.
You have obviously NOT been reading the forum. It's mostly indie kid fans and undie rapper fans. In fact, Redneckness is probably more common in the DMB camp then here.
Also, this is an ad hominem attack. Instead of rebutting the other posters, you instead say nasty things about the posters themselves Granted, the ILM'ers have been doing more of their fair share of that as well.

DMB have fans of all color,creed,class etc.
Of all the DMB fan *I've* ever met, have been ex-Deadhead white guys and...oh...rednecks (one dude -- who drives a truck by the way -- only has three tapes: Crash by DMB, Come on Over by Shania Twain, and greatest hits of Randy Travis. Why only three? He threw out his Dixie Chicks tape.)
I have yet to meet any black people who can stomach DMB.
(Contrary to points mentioned very very early in the thread: I haven't met any bankers or insurance men who like DMB either. They all seem to be into John Tesh or John Coltrane.)

Can't believe some of you all went on about how black people don't like DMB. How many black people like your beloved sonic youths and killing jokes?
I know a girl named VeShawn who only likes Metallica and Megadeth. Does that come close?

Dave Rocks!
you forgot to say "and u r all gay!"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

How many black people like your beloved sonic youths and killing jokes?

Not that it matters in the slightest, but I know more black folks who like Killing Joke than I do who would ever stoop to the level of listening to DMB.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yaaaaay! Alex is BACK!
But I don't see how anyone can be more of a KJ fan than Alex...unless they are all still in iceland wearing their tinfoil hats and praying that the end of the world will be quick and painless.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Why only three? He threw out his Dixie Chicks tape.

good set-up, fine delivery.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought ILM was pop!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

So, Helena...whats your rebuttal to my rebuttal?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought ILM was pop!
Nope. Haven't ya heard? We're all a bunch of autosodomizing, t'bacca-chewin' redrecks, now.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 24 July 2003 15:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

yeah, Helena, where ARE your rebuttals? Put 'em on the glass, as they say around here.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 24 July 2003 15:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm not actually back. I'm sitting in an overly air-conditioned public library in Quogue on Long Island. The wife and I came out here for a week of sun, but it's been relentlessly rainy, alas.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 24 July 2003 15:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

fuck every single person in here that talks shit about dave. every dmb lover can tell you how talented and incredible dmb is. but for all you idiots that have NOOOOOOOOOOOo idea and talk bad need to sit down with a dave album and just listen. listen to the words, listen to the music, listen to everything. and until you actually listen go fuck yourselves. dave rocks

― drew s, Friday, 25 July 2003 13:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yay!

― J (Jay), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

...and we are all gay.

yes, yes, we KNOW this.

also, looks like this thread will never die. Looks like it's time to start referencing other pop culture, since we've had our run of _Dune_.

What icon of Western Civilization shall we make jokes about today?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

Drew. WE *HAVE* LISTENED. We Have NO CHOICE. He's on the RADIO...ALL...THE...TIME...!
We couldn't AVOID listening to him if we tried!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

So - we're still waiting on a DMB fuckwit fan to give us an example of a good song. Just one fucking song!? Or is it his haircut that you love?

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

So where's you rational rebuttal to that, eh, Drew?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

Jerry Springer is running for the U.S. Senate.

― J (Jay), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

ODB will kick his ass.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

i'm disappointed by the DMB crew's constant refusal to put them rebuttals on the glass.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

They are Guerilla Trolls. They jump in, call us all idiots. Demand we listen to the nitwits dull and irritating music (like we could frigging avoid it), and then don't bother posting again.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh, except for Helena. (And she still hasn't rebutted by rebuttal.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Rebutting would only be a waste of time. It's imposible to prove any point here since everyone has already formed a bad opinion of the band and are obviously not willing to alter that opinion.

Song that captures the overall DMBness of DMB = So much to say.

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Allison has proved her worth repeatedly, so in deference to her opinion I will listen to "So Much to Say" and try to glean some wisdom therefrom. If the meaning of life appears I'll let y'all know!

I was hoping Helena would show back up too. :-(

― J (Jay), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

wait, that wasn't a radio single, was it?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't believe so...might have been.

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

To rebut:
"Rebutting would only be a waste of time. It's imposible to prove any point here since every DMB fan has already formed a positive assessment of the band and are obviously not willing to alter that opinion."
And as Mark Twain once aptly opined: "Any long standing debate -- or thread over 1200 posts long -- means both sides are wrong."

Since neither side will give ground, maybe would should
1) both admit defeat and turn this thread back into a random assortment of movie quotes. or
2) nope. there is no choice #2. Goto 1

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

I still say that this thread is a glitch in the matrix, and it's a lot like participating in the Special Olympics.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

Now..was that really necessary?

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

I could only afford the 30 second clips on the Amazon website .. but .. Dave's music *is* toe-tapable .. but I get this Phil Collins vibe off of it - maybe a little funkier, but still, there it is. I think what really bugs me are the smooth-jazz basslines. ANyway, I think I liked Too Much more than the other songs - although I still can't get away from the association with drinking a $5.00 Budweiser at a free outdoor festival kinda sound.

But thanks for the recommendation, Allison.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

The way I see it, Allison is caught between our snarkiness and the fact that practically none of the other fans who have posted here have any sense of perspective.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Alright - after further anesthetizing my sensibilities, I can accept the 30-second clip of "Don't Drink the Water" as passable. (That's probably the song that true DMB fans hate, isn't it....)

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

snarkiness keeps me entertained at work, at least.

and that makes it all worthwhile.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Actually it's one of my favorites. It's only 30 seconds though, you didn't get to hear the part where he freaks out and goes into a trance-like state.

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews is on the local alt-rock morning show right now, previewing songs from his new "solo album." He's kind of funny, in a pleased-with-himself way. The songs are atmospheric but dull. I think I like them better than the songs (I've heard) with the "B."

― Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

i can't stand that don't drink the water song. it was funny at first but now it's just damned silly.

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

Funny? I guess I didn't listen very carefully. (Actually, i didn't listen to the words at all.) I just thought that musically it was more interesting than what else I've heard.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

Christ, I remember looking in on this thread in its infancy, the very day it was birthed.
And look, it's gotten so big.
I just spent two hours reading this thread, and I have to admit, it was fan-freakin'-tastic.
It had everything — drama, conflict, comedy, tragedy, mysterious strangers, and if I read between the lines correctly, maybe even a little romance.
Thank you to all the posters for such an entertaining read — from the ILM regulars, who didn't disappoint, to the DMB legions who rushed to their idol's defence.
This thread is pure gold.
Somebody should allow some magazine to serialize this. Or ILM could sell the movie rights.
Oh, and Dave Matthews rox Uruguay.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Friday, 25 July 2003 22:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Would Careless Talk Costs Lives be improved if they ran a cover story on Dave Matthews Band? Everett True should interview Dave Matthews.
ET could be responsible for inflic....launching the genius of DMB in the UK. (Getting him away from us all in the states for a while)

― Allannah, Friday, 25 July 2003 23:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

And Q magazine can run one of those "Big...in Turkmenistan!" micro-stories.
But anyhow... back to what Bruce Urquhart brought up:
Christ, I remember looking in on this thread in its infancy, the very day it was birthed.
And look, it's gotten so big
Sigh. Yeah. 15% of the blame falls on my head. I'm sorry, everybody.
(PS: the Secret of Life is not -- repeat, not -- hidden anywhere in this thread.)

drama, conflict, comedy, tragedy, mysterious strangers, and if I read between the lines correctly, maybe even a little romance.
Um...romance?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love you all.

― Dave Matthews, Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

See. Romance.
Plus, they would probably deny it, but I could feel the heat between Alex in NYC and Allison.
Raw, animal heat. Or antipathy. It's a fine line.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

The words "Groovy Hate Fuck" come to mind, but I won't voice that thought out loud because it would be low, lewd, sad, crass and wrong.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

come on out and dance!
come on out and dance!
come on out and make romance!

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