Madonna Singles

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Pop Starz need to be judged on 3 minutes not 60. start

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 07:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Like a Prayer": frothy and profound, both at once; easily her best, one of the greatest ever made by anyone

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 07:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

MM is OTM.

Borderline - heartbreaking, striving, powerless yet still hopeful. And *that* keybd line. Keep pushing me, keep pushing me....
One of the ten best singles ever made.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 08:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Vogue - narcissism as spirituality, hollywoodism as religion, star-worship as self-love, and a groove so deep that brown or yellow people didn't even mind being left out of that "doesn't matter if you're black or white" line

Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 09:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Crazy For You"--the theme to the prom seduction of your dreams, or my dreams anyway. Also one of the ten greatest power ballads ever.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 09:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll Remember- because it was forgotten on the recent compilation, and because it evoked every-M-hating person in mid-90s to pause for a second and say "i like this song, just not HER"

Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 09:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Open Your Heart' - looking out over the Thames at the lights and bridges, waiting for her. It's Friday night and it really matters.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Material Girl"- takes the Madonna/whore complex, shits on it, and then goes out and spends $400 on shoes.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Into the groove' - one of the best songs about pop.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Ray of Light," which demonstrates that the greatest synth sound on Earth belongs to an electric guitar, and has a vocal about 30 times richer and subtler than it has to be, just because she CAN.

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Open Your Heart". The Crossroads DVD commentary tells me it's Britney's favourite also.

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Take A Bow vs This Used To Be My Playground? i can't decide...both great

Into The Groove is the greatest American pop single of the 1980s

Cherish - for years one of the few grossly saturated sunny day pop songs i not only tolerated but actually liked

Bedtime Story is the best collision of Madonna, Bjork, Nellee Hooper and Mark Romanek imaginable (and thats pretty damn good i reckon)

Like A Prayer - can't add much to hats already been said - classico

Deeper And Deeper - fuck it lets wear our moms clothes, drink cocktails and go to the rollerdisco

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 12:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

a groove so deep that brown or yellow people didn't even mind being left out of that "doesn't matter if you're black or white" line

what about us pinksters?

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 12:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Live to Tell". Can anyone else hear Neil Hannon doing a cover of this?

"Dear Jessie" Concept pop classic.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 13:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

My three faves

1. "Angel" - smooth bouncy synthline, sly cooing vocals, I fall in love every time I hear it.
2. "Cherish" - perfectly executed dollop of confection, crisp & effervescent energy sustained all the way through.
3. "Into The Groove" - the original 12" version has so much more of the groove than the one on Immaculate Collection.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

As most of the choices I would have made have already been made, a vote for "Die Another Day" here. Seriously. First song from her in years that reminded me how good she can be.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

my top 5 (in no order):

1)borderline
2)live to tell
3)lucky star
4)crazy for you
5)into the groove.

all of those are among the best pop songs of all time.

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

(1) "Burnin' Up"
(2) "Papa Don't Preach"
(3) "Into the Groove"
(4) "Justify My Love"
(5) "Live to Tell"

Always *H A T E D* "Crazy for You," as it sounded so cloyingly banal in the face of her other singles.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Die Alex, die! Die vilely!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

:::sigh::::

What is it now, Doctor?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Die BIG!

Only joking Alex! But you...you (sniffs loudly) dissed 'Crazy For You'!! How can you?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Maybe he can't stop thinking of that great movie VisionQuest it was associated with.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link


C'mon...."Crazy for You" is *SUCH* a yawnsome, generic song....rife with Hallmark sentimentality and that fuckin' reed instrument in the beginnig? IT'S CRAP! Sorry, Doc.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why has no one yet mentioned HOLIDAY?!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i can't decide whether this thread is easy to answer or not. the woman's got so many great singles, that it's hard to pick just one. but i'll have to add my vote for "like a prayer", "open your heart" and "into the groove". and also add "dress you up" and "express yourself"... i've got a terrible memory for singles and stuff, but those really stand out.

and whoever (i'm sorry i can't recall your name) said that neil hannon should cover "live to tell".... well, that's genius! let's tie him up and make him do it.

cecilia, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

1. "Secret"
2. "Don't Tell Me"
3. "Crazy for You"

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't Tell Me: Proof that Joe Henry just needs some French-disco-pop-whatever production, dancebeats and a gender change to not suck.

goldarn it, Killian just stole mah fire!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did anyone other than me gain an appreciation for Madonna only after Drop Nineteens covered 'Angel'? 'Into The Groove' is my favourite now.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did anyone other than me gain an appreciation for Madonna only after Drop Nineteens covered 'Angel'?

Long Fin Killie's is better. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Open Your Heart" dropped right at the onset of my first serious crush... and it became the official theme song of this new, heady, intoxicating and heartbreaking feeling.

To this day it's the only song that can recall that sort of giddiness in me.

Aaron A., Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

they played "... and you can dance for INSPIRATION" the other night when we went bowling. it's just fantastic. that said, i prolly rather "true blue" and most of all: "live to tell." one of the best ballads EVAH made.

nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justify My Love - for its shameless Public Enemy riff. And THAT video.
Erotica - for the fabulously gnarled, gritty production. And THAT video!
This used to be my playground - utterly brilliant, oft overlooked song. Perfectly sang, beautifully understated.

russ t, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Justify My Love - for its shameless Public Enemy riff"

Did I miss something? What Public Enemy "riff"?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm sure PE swiped it from somewhere, but they did it first--on It Takes a Nation..., short instrumental track

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Into the Groove" is the best of 'em all. I need to search out the 12" version now!

original bgm, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not sure if PE nicked the riff, but the whole bassline in Justify my Love, the very first chords - they were from that short track on It takes a nation of millions to hold us back.

russ t, Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

no Madonna (and Lenny Kravitz, co-producer) did--PE is '88, "Justify" is '90

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 6 February 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think Russ meant P.E. ALSO nicked it, assuming its an old funk loop ala 'Funky Drummer'

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 6 February 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justify My Love also has best-ever Madonna B-Side, the "Beast Within Mix" where Madonna reads from the book of revelations over a tabla'd-up remix!

Madonna's 90s/00s achievement - learning how to make GROWERS! "Frozen" grows on you like an iceberg on the horizon; "Music" just battered my defences down by repetition; "Die Another Day" only made sense when you tried to imagine dancing to it.

All the 80s singles are terrific, pretty much, but you knew that.

Bad Girl!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 February 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Bad Girl" is BORING.

Madonna's best singles: "Human Nature", "Bedtime Story", "Take A Bow", "Into The Groove", "Live To Tell". These five are BARELY (like, microscopically) above "Burning Up", "Borderline", "Lucky Star", "Holiday", "Open Your Heart", "Papa Don't Preach", "La Isla Bonita", "Keep It Together", "Like A Prayer", "Vogue", "Frozen", "Ray Of Light", "Secret", "Drowned World/Substitute For Love", "Don't Tell Me", "What It Feels Like For A Girl", "Die Another Day", "I'll Remember" and "I Want You", to the point where any of the above could be in the top five (especially "Burning Up"; in fact, replace "Bedtime Story" with "Burning Up" right now!).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

five years pass...

I've always thought the early trilogy (troika?) of Holiday/Borderline/Lucky Star were her best work, and the reason she became huge in the first place.

The video for Borderline is a great example of her early style - she wasn't the first to cross underground disco with bubblegum pop, but she did it the best. This seems like a memento from a more innocent time, like the best Motown and old school girl group songs. I like how it's the work of a fun loving hipster gal who loves fashion and breakdancing, not the grandiose artistic statements she made later on in her career. Also - Madonna used to be hot. She looks like a cute college girl here, wearing the cutting edge fashions that all the high school girls tried to emulate in the 80s.

redmond, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link

i knew this revive would be about Borderline, it just gets better with time.

your whole post is kind of OTM, but i have to say i think Like A Virgin sustained a similar feeling in an awesome way.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link

This reminds me that i never really understood the plot for this video.

Tim F, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:43 (fifteen years ago) link

also, correction: Madonna used to be VERY hot.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link

She becomes a model and cheats on him with the photog, he sulks, she dumps the photog when he acts like an ass, then goes back to her old boyfriend.

Yeah I was going to say Like a Virgin was when she does her first 'morph' from this hipster street creature to a more glamorous and slutty version of said hipster street creature. It's of course classic, but it's the Big Star move and not so underground.

redmond, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link

but it's so damn kooky too, the whole LAV album

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't know what gets me more: the synths on Borderline or Like A Virgin

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link

'Borderline' is about the only Madonna single I can honestly say I love, as opposed to quite liking. 'Into the Groove' almost pushes out of that other category, but not quite.

dubmill, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Borderline is my favourite too!

Take You Down (I know, right?), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I like how none of the Rihannas and Britneys and Pinks have yet to match the understated timelessness of her early stuff. It's like every new song and video that comes out has to be louder and glitzier and more over the top.

redmond, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

"Crazy for You" has that remarkable moment where Madonna, never much of a singer, lowers her voice down from its chirpy default to a more seductive rumble. That's the point where she shifts from kids' stuff to something richer.

"Live to Tell," though, is an amazing song, not least for its ambiguity. I love its haunting use in "At Close Range." I also love the Bill Frisell cover.

Also thoroughly love "Into the Groove," "Open Your Heart," "Borderline," "Burning Up" and that Bjork song. "Bedtime Story?" Some of those lost years ballads are pretty good, too, like "Rain."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

And Patrick Leonard=best writing partner? Oh, he also did "Who's That Girl!" Loved that one as a kid myself.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Shep Pettibone was her best writing partner.

Tim F, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes, I've always liked 'Live to Tell'.

dubmill, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I like how none of the Rihannas and Britneys and Pinks have yet to match the understated timelessness of her early stuff. It's like every new song and video that comes out has to be louder and glitzier and more over the top.

― redmond, Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:53 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

was just thinking if only someone (if not madonna herself) would go back to this early sound.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link

"Crazy for You" has that remarkable moment where Madonna, never much of a singer, lowers her voice down from its chirpy default to a more seductive rumble. That's the point where she shifts from kids' stuff to something richer.

"Live to Tell," though, is an amazing song, not least for its ambiguity. I love its haunting use in "At Close Range." I also love the Bill Frisell cover.

OTM. I published an essay on these very qualities.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link

*discussing these very qualities.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Stating the obvious here, but what a fantastic run of singles. No duds at all until 'Express Yourself'

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

um, Express Yourself is so gooood

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

And even that's not bad, just kind of charmless

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

geez no way! charmless my foot

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

let's talk about Dress You Up for a second

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link

the crispness of that vocal line, the way it cuts

ouch

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link

"Angel"!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link

just listened to it!! so great

Surmounter, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link

ALL OVER ALL OVER

i ~love~ 'dress you up'

lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

the crispness of that vocal line, the way it cuts

yeah it just SLICES into the chorus

lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link

still love that B-more break mix of 'Angel' i got from palm out ages ago

Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link

my top 5 (in no order):
1)borderline
2)live to tell
3)lucky star
4)crazy for you
5)into the groove.

all of those are among the best pop songs of all time.

swap 'like a prayer' for 'crazy for you' and still ^^^

or something, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

HOLIDAY!!!!

and also into the groove. But seriously, why so few mentions of holiday?

Moka, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link

I have to go for "Dear Jessie", but out of the more well-known ones, "Holiday" is definitely a good call. Love "Lucky Star" too. And "Music" even though it isn't much of a song harmonically.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 23:33 (fifteen years ago) link

"Crazy for You" has that remarkable moment where Madonna, never much of a singer, lowers her voice down from its chirpy default to a more seductive rumble. That's the point where she shifts from kids' stuff to something richer.

"Live to Tell," though, is an amazing song, not least for its ambiguity. I love its haunting use in "At Close Range." I also love the Bill Frisell cover.

OTM. I published an essay on these very qualities.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, martes 9 de diciembre de 2008 15:13 (Yesterday)

That's a very nice writeup Soto!

Moka, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 01:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 01:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Alright I've been looking everywhere for this groovier - into the groove 12" - mentioned upthread and I still can't find it. ysi anyone?

Moka, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 06:46 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

have we not done a madonna singles poll?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:34 (twelve years ago) link

like top 10 in rank order or something?

into the groove wins obv, but then--?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:34 (twelve years ago) link

she probably has too many singles to fit into an ilx poll

POX is also impossible: ranking only her 10/10 flawless all-time classic singles gives me the following -

deeper and deeper
die another day
burning up
bad girl
open your heart
like a prayer
into the groove
everybody
vogue
music
frozen
take a bow
justify my love
hung up
ray of light
dress you up
oh father
live to tell
don't tell me
beautiful stranger
like a virgin
borderline
papa don't preach

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 10:51 (twelve years ago) link

i consider it a real mark of her greatness that my three favourite madonna singles come from three separate decades

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 10:53 (twelve years ago) link

look at those songs! even if she (likely) never releases anything truly great again she can still say she has the greatest catalogue in pop music.

there's going to be a tracks poll, but it's quite far down in the queue so it won't take place till 2013/14.

prolego, Friday, 24 February 2012 11:25 (twelve years ago) link

Today, coincidentally, I have to write an essay on Madonna and choose a Top 10 which mixes hits with a couple of surprises. The essay's easy, the list is hard.

Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Friday, 24 February 2012 13:10 (twelve years ago) link

there's still room for someone to sign up to do a proper Madonna ballot poll

DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

what was your top 10 in the end DL? and indeed where is your essay?

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

My top fifteen postedhere. But here's ten:

Angel
Where's The Party (Dub Remix)
Burning Up
Crazy For You
Vogue
Deeper and Deeper
Live To Tell
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Open Your Heart

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

Cherish because even my dad loves it (I caught him humming it once. It was kinda weird.)
Borderline - first Madonna song I heard
Like a Prayer
Frozen
Oh Father
Bad Girl
Burning Up
Ray of Light

I hate Vogue. I can admit it's a decent song and I can understand people liking it, but it annoys the hell out of me.

thinveneer, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

Writing it for next issue of Q. I don't think of myself as a big Madonna fan but I loved writing it and found myself working from a shortlist of 30 brilliant songs - I love it when work forces me to re-engage with an artist and realise how much I like them. It's not quite my personal top 10 because that would be all singles and I was asked to pick out a couple of "deep cuts" to mix it up a bit but anyway it's this:

Borderline
Into the Groove
Live to Tell
Oh Father
Justify My Love
Deeper and Deeper
I Want You
Skin
Don't Tell Me
Hung Up (SDP Extended Vocal)

Regrettable omissions: Burning Up, Ray of Light, Music, Bad Girl, Express Yourself, Crazy For You, Everybody, Beautiful Stranger.

Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

it's pretty much impossible not to put together a solid gold top 10, isn't it.

my fav two remixes are prob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL4NPftrcr0

immense synth line grinding itself into your face forever - mdna for REAL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWNu3Un7_5Y

terrifying* and mental version of "justify my love" where she starts reciting the book of revelation like a possessed woman

*esp at 6am in an, er, altered state

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

deep cuts off the albums - she got way better at these in the '90s, i think (or maybe just picked the best songs as singles in the '80s)

secret garden
in this life
love tried to welcome me
to have and not to hold
sky fits heaven
impressive instant
inside of me
push
waiting
thief of hearts

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

If it's just limited to singles (and making an effort to spread it around chronologically, instead of just listing everything from 1989-1993):

Lucky Star
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Vogue
Erotica
Fever
I'll Remember
Nothing Really Matters
Don't Tell Me
Get Together

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

i love thief of hearts.

horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

you'll do it, you'll take it, you'll screw it, you'll fake it, undo it, you'll break it, you're over, you can't take it

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

Someone joked to me once that song was about me and now I just can't even listen to it anymore.

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

Because it makes me sad that he was only joking.

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

deep cuts off the albums - she got way better at these in the '90s

Cuz she recorded better albums-as-albums.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

"Skin" is such a great great GREAT song, I wish she'd done a full Underworld pastiche album

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

"thief of hearts" matches up really well to something i remember reading in some gossip rag that sandra bernhard had said about madonna, that "she'll steal all your friends." i like to imagine that song as madonna's song about herself from the pov of haters.

horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

Nice pairing with "Bad Girl," then.

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

"thief of hearts" is totally her gayest song imo

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

Nice pairing with "Bad Girl," then.

― dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, February 24, 2012 11:58 AM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally! that fucking album, so great.

horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

It's an album to aspire to in its entirety.

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

It's like "the examined life" in 80 minutes.

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

"what happens now, i know i don't deserve you / i wonder how i'm ever gonna hurt you" is such an amazing lyric

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

"Words"!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link

Only one mention of "Human Nature" in this thread, and it's part of a long list!

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

i love "human nature" but i get the impression it's a little too on the nose to be an ilx fave, or something

horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

I love "Human Nature" too

tbh the adoration of Erotica baffles me

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link

You know what's a lovely little thing? "Love Tried to Welcome Me."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

tbh the adoration of Erotica baffles me

Really? Straight men not getting it doesn't baffle me in the slightest.

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

I have to add "The Power of Goodbye" to my list. Lovely.

thinveneer, Friday, 24 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

One day I was looking at the liner notes for Bedtime Stories that I saw that Dallas Austin produced/co-wrote "Human Nature". He also did "Motownphilly," and there's some similarity in the doo-wop-ish background vocals in the "Human Nature" chorus.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

and TLC!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think anyone is surprised that Dallas Austin did songs for TLC

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

"love tried to welcome me" is some dark dark bleakness wrapped up in soft seductive sade-soul

"human nature" is amazing, yes - that bassline

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, he was one of the hottest R&B producers in the mid nineties.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

although I am surprised that apparently Dallas Austin worked with Fishbone?????

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

erotica is probably her most consistent album no?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 February 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link

her most consistent album is either True Blue or Ray of Light

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, Erotica is her most consistent album. That's for better for some and for worse for others.

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

Erotica is her most consistently disappointing album

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 February 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

BOOM

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

Words spoken out of hate.

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

they cut like a knife
cut into my life

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

lol i like the way that song sounds, at least

horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

Please take them all back

dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 February 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

"love tried to welcome me" is some dark dark bleakness wrapped up in soft seductive sade-soul

^^^^^^^^^

Erotica is def. her most consistent album. I barely ever listen to Ray of Light anymore so maybe i'm being a bit unfair on it but in my head it seems so washed-out and anxious to please by comparison.

POXXV:

Deeper & Deeper
Bad Girl
Lucky Star
Into The Groove
Take A Bow
Vogue
Like A Prayer
Open Your Heart
Justify My Love
Burning Up
Get Together
Like A Virgin
Waiting
Everybody
Live To Tell
Die Another Day
Love Tried To Welcome Me
Papa Don't Preach
Hung Up
Something To Remember
Frozen
Borderline
Hung Up
Erotica
Secret

Tim F, Friday, 24 February 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

I listened to ROL last Tuesday and had trouble accepting her pompous singing this time 'round.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah that too.

Tim F, Friday, 24 February 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

ROL gets either overrated or underrated i find - when i'm in the mood for it it's really very satisfying, particularly the aqueous jacuzzi ballads like "to have and not to hold" (where her smoother vocal timbre really works) or the ones with massive banging beats like "skin" or "sky fits heaven" which overpower how pompous she is.

lex pretend, Friday, 24 February 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i wouldn't say it's her BEST album b/c the high points are, in general, quite as high as on some other albums. but it is consistently engrossing.

i think it sold really poorly compared to her prior records right?

and yeah once she really started enunciating i find her records harder to take.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 February 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

xpost

i was talking about erotica.

lots of xposts.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 February 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

I have a soft spot for many Madonna tracks, but I'd definitely say that 'Like A Prayer' was my favourite of hers. It's that fucking bassline, man!

Turrican, Saturday, 25 February 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

i think it sold really poorly compared to her prior records right?

ROL? It's her best-selling US album post-LAP.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago) link

It did everything she wanted, and it happened to coincide with the golden age of Soundscan sales: not only is it her best-selling album of the last twenty years but it's now regarded as an aesthetic touchstone.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago) link

'Ray Of Light' was a massive success here in the UK too, and if I remember it marked the point where a lot of indie kids started taking her seriously, because of the link with William Orbit.

Turrican, Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

if I remember it marked the point where a lot of indie kids started taking her seriously

I was in grad school, and it was the first Madonna studio album (to be fair they owned the two comps) my friends bought and regarded as a Serious Recording.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:35 (twelve years ago) link

how young are you people?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

young enough to have digested every Billboard of the last sixty years.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link

Wasn't it also the first (and last?) Madonna album to get a Grammy nod?

dead-trius (Eric H.), Saturday, 25 February 2012 04:45 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

The vocals w/added harmonies in the last chorus of "into the groove" are strangely powerful. creates a more sensual tone.

brimstead, Saturday, 24 August 2013 01:06 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

think this 12" single from 1988 was more than worthy of a mention

Madonna - Spotlight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSbgcr4fvk0

Campari G&T, Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:20 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

a bunch of writing on a bunch of Madonna singles (I chose "Live to Tell" and "Papa Don't Preach" but almost went for "Express Yourself")

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Sunday, 12 August 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link

a link would help http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=26058

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Sunday, 12 August 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link

Soto's first sentence regarding 'Bad Girl' is so fucking OTM. That's one of her best ever songs, IMO - the production still sounds gorgeous and I don't even want to begin imagining it being sung in her post-Evita voice, which I don't find anywhere near as pleasant to listen to as her voice beforehand.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 12 August 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link

Thank you.

We all did marvelous work, I must say.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 August 2018 01:44 (five years ago) link

I love reading reassessments of Madonna stuff, especially from different generational perspectives, and this is a good one. I should play her for my kids.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 August 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link

I suddenly have the urge to listen to Like a Prayer and Erotica back to back.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 13 August 2018 13:27 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

I decided to rank her closers.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 02:58 (four years ago) link

Can’t argue with your top picks, but I’d definitely throw “Secret Garden” in among those three. One of her most purely haunting and seductive tracks.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 03:27 (four years ago) link

"take a bow" too ffs

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 03:33 (four years ago) link

"Mer Girl" is glorious, FUIUD

DJP, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Sounds good, looks fun:

Classroom Instruments: @Madonna, Jimmy, & @TheRoots perform “Music” 🎶 #FallonTonight pic.twitter.com/7DRjRsABRJ

— The Tonight Show (@FallonTonight) August 11, 2022

The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 19 August 2022 04:19 (one year ago) link

Well, that was cute.

peace, man, Friday, 19 August 2022 11:49 (one year ago) link

Glad she didn't try to french anybody.

peace, man, Friday, 19 August 2022 11:50 (one year ago) link

Yeah, it’s refreshing to see her do something cute.

The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 19 August 2022 13:38 (one year ago) link

Can’t believe I missed this thread after 16 years lurking on this board. Just wanted to say that aside from all of the obvious choices, and I appreciate it’s not a single, but Pretender from Like a Virgin is Madonna’s most overlooked song. “You lie, you lie, you lie, you lie, I know all about your kind” is the most peak Madonna line ever.

the article don, Tuesday, 23 August 2022 21:25 (one year ago) link

I've heard eight of her albums, and don't know if there's any non-single I'd really call a favourite. Maybe "Something to Remember".

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 01:40 (one year ago) link

I can think of several:

White Heat
Where’s the Party
Skin
Impressive Instant
Swim

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 02:14 (one year ago) link

For a few years in the 1980s, there was a UK publication called the Rock Yearbook which featured articles, pictures, snippets of reviews from the UK papers, etc. The section on True Blue featured nothing but various reviewers' scathing comments on "Where's the Party?" I thought it unfair to single out the worst song on the album, but I'm glad someone likes it.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 03:19 (one year ago) link

Just bought the new triple disc cd on a total impulse and I'm pretty pleased with it. Feels like this is her best compilation? With the earlier classics theres a lot of "single versions" or mixes which dont fuck with the song too much but brilliantly remastered imo. Mid period stuff has a bunch of fun, cool, or interesting versions, and the 3rd disc is stuff I dont know and it's pretty much solid bangers.

everything, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 03:59 (one year ago) link

I made my own Madonna compilation, thanks to a close friend who was a collector, and I boiled down god knows how many CD's into four packed and tidy CD-R's. Pretty much everything I really liked from Madonna was released as a single - in many cases, I would prefer a mix that was released on one of those single releases rather than the original album. The one big exception is "Secret Garden" from Erotica - from what I can tell, it's never been issued as a single, at least not in the U.S.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 04:29 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtcD7qmpPw

birdistheword, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 04:30 (one year ago) link

Also re: two tracks from Music - "Impressive Instant" mentioned upthread and "Amazing" - the story is that the label wanted the latter to be the fourth single, Madonna wanted the former, and they wound up NOT releasing a fourth single, but actually both tracks HAVE been issued as promo-only singles. I do enjoy both regardless.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 04:34 (one year ago) link

it’s quite remarkable madonna didn’t make it to either of the 2010s polls

scanner darkly, Sunday, 28 August 2022 04:10 (one year ago) link

is it? her output last decade is not well regarded by anyone really. madame x is endearingly weird but that's about it

ufo, Sunday, 28 August 2022 04:27 (one year ago) link

yeah that’s what i meant

scanner darkly, Sunday, 28 August 2022 05:59 (one year ago) link

More super album tracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1Vm72XDljI

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 August 2022 20:53 (one year ago) link

The best B-side:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8uCTFJbwUI

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 28 August 2022 22:23 (one year ago) link

Should have been a single in the US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kLbsB1ynaE

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 28 August 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link

"You're just jealous CUZ YOU CAN'T BE ME

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 August 2022 00:52 (one year ago) link


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