Albums that shouldn't be out of print...

Fishbone's Chim Chim's Badass Revenge

Just 'cause it needs to be out there, damnit!

How come it seems that every artist's best album was only pressed on some independent French/Belgium/Whatever label and has been out of print since 6 mos. after it was first in print?

Just thought of another that I've been searching for:
Django Reindhart--Peche a la Mouche(sp?)

Also, Let's Active's "Cypress/Afoot" went out of print on CD long ago. I paid a near fortune to get one of the few available copies floating around in cyberspace.

TMFTML
http://intonation.blogspot.com

Pre-Autobahn Kraftwerk lps.

I'll second Jellybeans for sure--I own two copies of the vinyl, just in case something happens to one of them.

Lessee . . . howsabout James Blood Ulmer's Black Rock? The bulk of Tom Verlaine's solo ouevre? I'm sure I'd have many more suggestions if I was at home and handy to the vinyl. Of course now we're at the point where some stuff that came out on CD originally is getting rarer than blue bologna rings.

Kim Wilde - Kim Wilde (s/t debut)

Is it just me or almost everything from the RAK label catalogue was erased from existence?

Bah!

The last time we had a similar thread on this subject I answered 'World of Echo' by Arthur Russell, which is still MIA and which by now can't possibly ever live up to my expectations for it.... I cld also use a CD reish of the 'Jazz Composer's Orchestra' alb.

Amen on Wanna Buy a Bridge.

Bedouin Ascent?

Also Double D & Steinski's Lessons series, all of it

AMG shows it's all been reissued.

Sensations Fix Fragments of Light [Italian prog with somewhat Frippish guitar--the track I heard was all instrumental, thank goodness]
Mars Everywhere Industrial Sabotage [relatively subdued progish fusion]
Tom Johnson Nine Bells
That Avengers album mentioned in the other thread
Sun Ra [well just about everything that isn't but I'm particularly interested in hearing} Strange Strings
Astro-Black Mythology
Fireside Chat with Lucifer [I think I might have that title wrong]
I wish Laurie Spiegel would give up her policy of only selling music in virtual form and reissue Music for an [the?] Expanding Universe

Two comps. were released in the US at the start of this decade, so while it's not proper albums, it's not too hard to find SM material.

all those '90s Interscope/Geffen albums by ex/future indiers like Sloan

Sloan's albums are available through their own label (they got the rights to the Geffen ones in the mid-1990s), so they'll probably never go out of print, and you never see the two Geffen ones for more than $8 Canadian in stores.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAN SOMEONE REISSUE THAT!

It's also worth saving a search for them on e-bay as they pop up every now and again. I was looking for 'Ocean of Sound' for years but in the last 12 months I've managed to get hold of all five of them over the internet (only got 'Guitars on Mars' a couple of weeks ago). Mostly from e-bay, one from Reckless I think, one from another online shop. Haven't paid more than about £20 for any of them and I got 'Electro for Droids' for about £3.

But obviously reissuing them would be a good idea.

Another album that shouldn't have gone out of print is 'Pacific Ocean Blue' by Dennis Wilson.
All well worth getting,

Anyway, 'Feedback' by Spirit is crying out for reissue, a shitload of Roy Harper, obviously 'Decals', Sixto Rodriguez 'Cold Fact'.

I never thought I'd get them either, and wouldn't have if it was just a case of looking for them in bricks and mortar record shops. Let the net be your friend.

GEMM
http://www.gemm.com/
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from thousands of sellers around the world!

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In the UK you're better off with Netsounds - at least everything advertised there actually exists.

A lot of good calls already, especially Lick My Decals Off Baby, Mecicine Show and the first 3 Comsat Angels, however additional nominations:

Pere Ubu - 390º Of Simulated Stereo; The Tenement Year; Cloudland; Worlds In Collision
Pop Group - everything
Red Krayola - Soldier Talk
This Heat - 1st s/t

actually come to think of it, I don't think there's a proper Lilys album widely in print. I think places have overstocks of some of them, but the only lilys records that show up in most stores I go to, both online and real, are the split with Aspera (demos), the Bliss Out Ep (good, but not really satisfying any Lilys jones), and the "Selected" EP (great, but only 5 songs).

so yeah, someone go ahead and make all that old Lilys stuff available...

I'd also add to the list:

Wall of Voodoo - _Dark Continent_
Oingo Boingo - The first EP. Yes. Oingo fucking Boingo.
The first Bevis Frond albums that came out in the US on Restless (or was it Reckless?) and as far as i know have been OOP for awhile.

-Matt, who grew up in the 80s. Obviously.

But they're still spendy imports...

-Matt, who's only thinking of the children.

Rollins label reissued Y a few years ago didn't it? (Infinite Zero, I think) with "beyond good and evil" as bonus. Is that OOP now?

And George G, wasn't 'Conquistador' reissued by Blue Note on CD abt 5/6 years ago, abt the same time as 'Love For Sale' and 'Unit Structures'?

All I know is I paid far too much to get that one and We Are All Prostitutes on Japanese import!

"I'm always surprised when US ILMers talk abt how diff it is to find the first This Heat alb on CD, as it seems to be widely available here in the UK (Camberwell Now recs, on the other hand...)"

I'm not in the US and I'm having trouble finding it Andrew - do you know where it's currently available (All's Well by Camberwell Now, on the other hand was recently re-released and is available on mail order from http://www.rermegacorp.com/!)

I have a copy of 'til the band comes in from, like, nineteen ninety.

Scott 2, Scott 3, and Scott 4 should be in print here in the U.S.

Gainsbourg's Histoire de Melody Nelson too.

Also that ultra-rare record by Bohack, It Took Several Wives would be a good one too.

Blimey Juan - I thought IIII'd paid over the odds for the ones I got, but I didn't pay anything like $100 for either of 'em!

You can apparently still get "Y" on Japanese import for a relatively trifling £20 from http://www.101cd.com/

Kevin Ayers - Joy Of A Toy
Delta 5 - See The Whirl
Distractions - Nobody's Perfect
Mighty Ballistics Hi-Power - Here Come The Blues
Rip Rig & Panic - Knee Deep In Hits / *anything*
The Slits - Return Of The Giant Slits

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000089U/qid=1044544204/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_0_2/202-0999284-8270212

I remember not especially liking this, even back when I liked the Talking Heads a lot more, but I think I remember preferring the version of "Drugs" here (and also liking "Psycho Killer").

As I've said before, ad nauseum, they were a lot of fun to see live back in 1988-1991, and some of their videos are pretty good.

(As long as P-Orridge is in charge, the back catalog will be mis-managed.)

Thanks Julio, I tried that this morning and they've just replied:

"it's currently unavailable, and has been for around three years.
the previous version (packaged in a jewel case, originally released on CD 1991)
is the only edition, sometimes it turns up on e-bay, but i wouldn't advise
buying one.

a re-mastered and re-packaged version is 'almost' ready to go into production,
and hopefully could be available soon.

we will keep you informed of availablity.

thanks for the enquiry and your interest

these"

These are some off the top of my head. There are a few mentioned that I would second as well (Pere Ubu, This Heat, The Pop Group).

More good news - this one was re-released a couple of years back in an extended 2-CD format as "The Complete Science Fiction Sessions"!

everything released by the Vanity and Newsic/Spiral labels.

oh, and Schlammpeitziger's 'Freundlichbarracudamelodieliedgut' 2LP. 'Collected Simplesongs...' is such a poor substitute.

and aeons ahead of Storey's official Rapoon debut.

Also, I know this has been mentioned before (by Billy Dods, possibly?)--the entire Ze records catalog.

-The Smiths
-Joy Division
-My Bloody Valentine
-The Sex Pistols (easy one there)

Precious few others.

Lord Custos, that just got re-mastered and re-issued here in Aus as part of a 3 album set ("Wishlist", "Psychohum" and "Aerial"). I was mega-pleased to be able to buy all three for such a low price :)

Not the original artwork or anything, though, drats.

(Good morning!)

Actually this IS available, as part of a twofer with "Scratch & Company" aka "Chapter One", cunning retitled "Scratch Attack" so that no-one realises!

Starsailor - Tim Buckley
Lick my Decals off baby - Captain Beefheart
Like an old fashioned waltz - Sandy Denny
Rendezvous - Sandy Denny
Planxty - Planxty
Henry the Human Fly - Richard Thompson
Hokey Pokey - Richard and Linda Thompson
Pour Down like Silver - Richard and Linda Thompson

China Crisis was nowhere to be found on CD when I was looking early this year, I had to get the vinyl off ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2575969142&category=306

Granted, there's still over a day left, but "Drive Me Wild" alone is worth at least twenty bucks.

Best female rock vocalist *EVER*!!!

ray russell- live at the ICA.

+ several Norwegian ones.

only came out in 1995 on Verve, but impossible to find.

Jim

Jim

Julio, is
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre300/e359/e3599071pvt.jpg the one you're after?

Artist The Jazz Composer's Orchestra of America
Album Title Communications
released in '68.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70311131300491330&sql=A3n811vj8zzxa

I Want To See the Bright Lights Tonight
Hokey Pokey
Pour Down Like Silver

who has the rights to Eskaton's '4 Visions'? this is the Best. Magma. LP. (n)Ever. - sorry, Guapo - and there's no good reason for it not to be on the shelves.

And Hip-O is doing a limited/expanded edition of the Howard Tate stuff at www.hipodirect.com.

I would love to see Helen Merrill's 'American Country Songs' on CD.

That's what I was posting.

none of the "...scene" 60s compilations on deram / decca should be out of print but apparently are. same with many of repertoire's fab reissues (the smoke, kaleidoscope..)

The Good Earth is basically in print (you have to print your own cover art). www.twintone.com. Note also Yung Wu on CD!

Although it's no longer applicable, Pretty Hate Machine was OOP for the longest time. We were stocking the Canadian import that we had to sell for $18.99 forever but recently it came back into print after TVT sold the rights or something like that.

-- Billy Dods (butterbubble...), February 4th, 2003.

It looks like Homosapien gets reissued this week:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000EJ9KYO/qid=1143954798/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/203-0253616-4668705

This dovetails nicely with my recent discovery of the unimpeachability of Dare, as well as my longtime need to get the Talking Heads remasters in a format other than shitty, shitty DualDiscs.

Recently discovered through an mp3 blog posting. Really like it - a cross between the Cocteaus and the Throwing Muses.

Carmel - The Drum Is Everything

My favorite British pop-jazz record of the early-mid 80s. Many of the songs are just drums, bass, and vocals - a few more with Hammond organ added - and then a few with a horn section added.

Listen to this cover of 'Tracks of My Tears':
http://stereosociety.com/ram/tracks.ram

More info and songs here:
http://stereosociety.com/drumiseverything.html

http://stereosociety.com/drumiseverything.html

Produced by Allen Toussaint even, WHY is this not available??

http://homeofthegroove.blogspot.com/2005/10/turnin-and-burnin-replay.html

http://redkelly.blogspot.com/

Insides, Clear Skin; Euphoria

Gibson Bros., Dedicated Fool

Doug Lazy, Gettin' Crazy

Allen Toussaint, Southern Nights

Browsing on Amazon again, and found out that the first Queens of the Stone Age album is OOP. Inexcusable.

Sonny Sharrock, Ask the Fucking Ages

Boredoms - Soul Discharge

Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece

Mo-dettes - The Story So Far

Also someone should reissue Loop's stuff and the early Spectrum things and the Pop Group domestically.

My thoughts exactly.

Wrens -- Secaucus
Feelies -- everything

Let's hear it for North Jersey. [Me? No, I live in California.]

Go Team - everything, or at least Archer Come Sparrow and the 7"s.

seriously,
I guess T. Vail ain't with it.

NNCK's Sticks and Stones May Break My Bones but Words Will Never Hurt Me

-- Drooone, Friday, March 16, 2007 5:46 AM (4 months ago) Bookmark Link

this is still in print.

Wrens -- Secaucus

Reissued last year.

It seems the CDO format may now solve some of these problems:
http://www.thedisckiosk.com

i saw this yesterday Geir when digging around for OOP Blancmange albums.
are they legit cds then, and they just reprint a copy when ordered ?

it's no fun when you can just get whatever you want, whenever you want...

The Buzzcocks' Another Music in a Different Kitchen and A Different Kind of Tension are way the hell out of print on CD (though oddly, Love Bites from the same reissue series is still out there and easy to find), as is Rock 'n' Roll With the Modern Lovers. Hopefully whoever put out the US CD of The Modern Lovers will get to work putting out the rest of Richman's catalog, but I'm not holding my breath.

Love Unlimited - Under the Influence of...

Barry White's group. Lovely (har har) album, for real. I saw it at an antique store today for only a dollar and started to do a victory dance, but it turned out to be so scratches so persistent and deep that even a dollar seemed like a ripoff.

Got the recent reissue of Chrome's "Third from the sun", now I need "Blood on the Moon".

The Swervedriver catalog
Still out of print in the U.S.
Easy Action and Pretties for You Alice Cooper

you cant hide your love forever - Orange Juice.

I believe "Fegmania" and "Element Of Light" by Robyn Hitchcock are currently out of print. A shame...

Josef K's discography beyond the recent comp "Entomology" really needs to be (re-)reissued.

all the hyman/light/mottola stuff touched on in the Bug In The Bass Bin thread

Volcano Suns' "The Bright Orange Years" goddamn it.

I would imagine those R Hitchcock titles are oop pending the (imminent, I believe) release of the second instalment following on from last year's I Wann Go Backwards set.

My latest nomination:
Lots of Loving / Jah Life Killa by Ranking Dread

The Iggy Pop CDs from New Values to Zombie Birdhouse.

Volcano Suns are doing reissues of (I think) all their stuff this coming year.

Let Them Eat Jellybeans still not out? What's the hold-up? My copy has gone to the big vinyl store in the sky and I am stupid and didn't transfer it.

My picks are all by local (Boston/Providence) bands from the 80s, so maybe that doesn't count.
Someone please put "Get Wise" by the Flies or Lifeboat's debut EP on CD. Lifeboat even got an A- from Xgau, so I think it's worthy.

New Values got reissued in '00 by Buddha and is still available. Couple of extra tracks on it.

Guess Pylon's Chomp will get the treatment shortly since Gyrate did.

Buddha did the other Arista Iggy albums too, though I think they--like alotta stuff Buddha re-released--have gone OOP after Buddha folded during the Sony/BMG merger. New Values may have survived.

Emitt Rhodes ABC/Dunhill catalogue

From what I can tell, the whole Connells discography is out of print. Maybe that's just because they were on TVT? And I suppose you can find all those records dirt cheap at this point. But they're great, at least through One Simple Word and maybe Ring. And I heard their "big" single, "74-75", on the radio in the south of France last summer, so evidently someone remembers them! (it was right after a Mika song and a Green Day cover of John Lennon; take that for what it's worth). Anyway, three cheers for the Connells; maybe I'll start (or revive?) a thread sometime.

I realize it's in the nature of Brazilian albums to go in and out of print, but there are a lot of them, notably by Jorge Ben:

O Bidu Silencio no Brooklyn
s/t ('69, Rogerio Duprat)
Ben

I'm not sure the last two were ever even on CD, which is bizarre for major label releases by a famous artist.

I wish I could get ahold of that first Nara Leao box set, too.

Hey, my wife went to Junior High School with the Connell brothers:)

The Bizarros s/t album. It's got the best last three tracks on an album that I can remember. Not to damn it with faint praise, of course. I like the rest of it too. But Lady Dubonette, Mind's a Magnet and White Screen Movies are instant classics from the first time you hear them. Must have been in the crowd with Rocket from the Tombs at the Ohio Velvet Underground Shows, because White Screen Movies has that cyclical organ-led infinite rock momentum down pat.

And speaking of Brazilian albums, someone has to reissue the Lo Borges s/t as well. The sneakers album.

Let Them Eat Jellybeans still not out? What's the hold-up?

However I can help you with digital copies...

New Values got reissued in '00 by Buddha and is still available. Couple of extra tracks on it.

The Waitresses studio catalogue.

I'd love to see that Caroline Blue Plate twofer of the Mallard albums get reissued.

The entire Peter Gabriel years catalog (well, except "From Genesis To Revelation") by Genesis is currently out of print. Will only last until the last batch of remasters is being released this autumn though.

Interesting revelation - http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/05/major-labels-re.html ...

I'm not confident it will serve my needs, but could be useful for some...

For the majors, that's a rare savvy deal. Amazon seems like the one place they can reliably use to sell to the older crowd who don't do downloading, don't buy new music, don't hang out in record stores, just want their old favorites, and have major disposable incomes.

Volcano Suns are doing reissues of (I think) all their stuff this coming year.

Oh man that's good news.

i'm not sure if it is out-of-print, but Remy Zero's self-titled album...

Seriously.

I could be wrong but it seems like Australian titles go out of print quickly. Stuff like Kim Salmon solo stuff (Surrealists), Tex Perkins pre-Beasts of Bourbon stuff etc.

Also pre-major Lemonheads stuff seems to have disappeared.

Lucinda Williams s/t album is out of print.

Buckingham Nicks come on already!

The Bizarros s/t album. It's got the best last three tracks on an album that I can remember. Not to damn it with faint praise, of course. I like the rest of it too. But Lady Dubonette, Mind's a Magnet and White Screen Movies are instant classics from the first time you hear them. Must have been in the crowd with Rocket from the Tombs at the Ohio Velvet Underground Shows, because White Screen Movies has that cyclical organ-led infinite rock momentum down pat.

I concurred...

from http://acuterecords.com/blog/?p=33

3. The Bizarros–White Screen Movies
What was in the water in Ohio in the 70s? Don’t answer that. The Cuyahoga River may have caught fire, but that was in Cleveland. Whatever was going on in Akron was equally bizarre. Like their counterparts in Cleveland, the Bizarros had a severe case of Velvet Underground fever. This song, the last on their 1979 LP, has that 1-4-5 repetition, chugging guitars and killer droning combo organ that so many of the best Velvets followers mined. It pretty much starts and never lets go. Also like some of their counterparts in Cleveland, the Bizarros have been severely overlooked. Post-VU rock that fell through the cracks of the mid/late 70s. Clearly too accomplished and too adult to be punk-rock, but too angry and too weird to be mainstream.

one thing that concerns me about CreateSpace is that they are using CD-r technology, which is a lot more fragile than proper CD manufacturing, which is more of a stamping process. With CD-rs, little lasers burn holes in a CD, so the material is sensitive to heat. This is why when you leave that CD-R mix in your car during the summer after a few weeks it starts to skip.

yeah that Bizarros album sounds great...are they s1sk-ab1e...

also is the Twinkeyz album any good? is it also out of print?

I think Bizarros are on ss and/or some blogs. They have a pretty extensive website that I think mentioned the possibility of a reissue. If not, maybe I'll get to somehow!

Twinkeyz album is really cool, maybe a bit uneven. There was a great CD that's now out of print, and more recently there was an LP release which doesn't have everything on the CD but has all the key singles and the full LP and some other stuff that maybe wasn't on the CD? Listening to it again for the first time in a while, yeah, it's really fucking good! I only have the Cartoon Land single and would love the Aliens in Our Midst single. I have the LP, which came out on Plurex, Nasmak and Minny Pop's label, but apparently the mastering was really bad, so the more recent CD and vinyl reissues are preferred.

The place to check is here:

http://www.anophelesrecords.com

Any hopes of seeing the SOS Band back catalogue re-released anytime soon? Even as torrents, they are very hard to find.

The Hummingbirds - loveBUZZ CD version... i think a Japanese and Australian CD came up, but I don't think it was ever issued in the states. Come to think of it... I must have lent someone my vinyl copy of that and never gotten it back. ARGH! Perfect Aussie big guitar pop from '88 i think. Like Flatmates meets Jesus and Mary Chain or something. "Alimony" is a golden gem.

Geir: just SOS Band and Too got CD reissues in the past few years, i believe. Not sure about the ones after.

Haven't even search for those. More interested in the three Jam/Lewis titles, really.

The Steppes. From the mid/late 1980s, but they sound like vintage 1967. It is just retarded that they were so obscure. Albums are all out of print, but they're just waiting to be discovered. Listen to Tourist From Timenotyet here... then it's very easy to find their discography on the blogs. You will not believe how good these dudes were.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=308455094

And after you're done listening to Tourist From Timenotyet, listen to Somebody Waits.

Hilarious, I was actually thinking about the Steppes earlier tonight as I was ripping a comp with that very song on it. Something in the water. Elvis T. to thread when he sees this.

ned, i was just reading your daddy's highway review, an album of which i can't get enough recently. is this thing available on LP?

The Hummingbirds - loveBUZZ CD version... i think a Japanese and Australian CD came up, but I don't think it was ever issued in the states. Come to think of it... I must have lent someone my vinyl copy of that and never gotten it back. ARGH! Perfect Aussie big guitar pop from '88 i think. Like Flatmates meets Jesus and Mary Chain or something. "Alimony" is a golden gem.

― okamax,

This was issued in the States - I've owned it twice on CD and once on cassette. I see it in the cheap bins from time to time.

ah. thank you for the correction. i think i assumed that because i think i know 5 people who have ever even heard of this amazingly underrated record.

Funny, I listened to Steppes last week. The have a ton of stuff available at Bomp mailorder. http://www.bompstore.com/servlet/Categories

I've only heard them because Bomp used to have ridiculous clearance sale grab bags of their label stuff.

Punishment Of Luxury s/t

lovebuzz was a top 20 album here (in aus) and yet is quite hard to find in shops. they have a 'best of' which is in print but i don't imagine there would be much demand for a proper reissue (could be wrong tho, if there was demos or unreleased h'birds stuff i'd be all over it)

Giant Sand - The Love Songs (standard answer)

The Zombies - Odessey and Oracle

Been looking for that one in vinyl version for a while now.

http://www.bompstore.com/servlet/Detail?no=7993 not trying to be an advertiser here, it's just coincidence that the same mailorder has two of the recent things mentioned here available (they claim what is on the site is available) It's on AmazonUk too.

whoa, if its true that they have in stock everything they sell over there then this has made my week. I just found two other lps I've been looking for everywhere over there.

Thank you james.

You wouldnt happen to know of some store in North America that has 'scary world theory' by Lali Puna in stock, would you?

tonevendor does

http://tonevendor.com/item/4492

No, I meant in LP form, it's been out of print for a while. But thank you anyways.

No idea on Lali Puna, but it has been interesting reading about them and finding out who they are. The samples on the label site sound interesting.

John Cale - Fragments of a Rainy Season

I can't believe new copies of this are selling for $130 on Amazon. I doubt it's anywhere near as rare as the overinflated prices suggest, but I still feel lucky for picking it up for $12 a few months ago.

the Robert Crumb That's What I Call Sweet Music: American Dance Orchestras of the 1920s compilation

Well, hell, I've got that Cale and like it, but never play it.

I've got one or two of those SOS Band titles on vinyl, too.

i can't find a copy of starshipz and rocketz by g-side anywhere on the net :(

Sasha and John Dogweed - Northern Exposure

30 For Sale from $26.00

17 used & new from $29.95

Lol, I’m sure I see that all the time in charity shops.

"i can't find a copy of starshipz and rocketz by g-side anywhere on the net :("

Literally registered on here cause of this post. Have been looking for starshipz & rocketz for the longest, and was able to find it in 192 recently, so I can help you out with that.

Ended up finding the album on UK Amazon, 1 final copy in Germany. Came out to around $30 shipped, and it has yet to arrive... Turns out the CD was lost by the Deutsche Post...

Dory Previn's stuff; almost everything is OOP in the States, I think.

That's a shame. I happened to hear one of her songs last week -- one about a woman who jumps off the Hollywood sign -- and I was reminded of how good a writer she was.

hollindagain by animal collective

I thought someone like Bgo still had that Dory stuff out. Remember looking through a label site some months back & finding a couple of 2fer cds. Think it was Bgo anyway.
But yeah she does sound like a prime candidate for somebody like Water or Light in The Attic to cover.

I still haven't found that Lali Puna LP I asked for in this thread 5 years ago.

Other ones that I haven't found and need to be reissued in vinyl already:

Massive Atrack - Mezzanine
Stereolab - Dots and Loops (supposedly will get reissued soon)
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless (haven't they promised it for years now?)
Can - Ege Bamyasi (and their whole discography, really)

Also all the Kraftwerk and Stone Roses vinyls I've found are crazy expensive / imported.
Why!?

Oh and all Kompakt Total compilations should never be put of print.

Oh and Pink Floyd's Meddle and Piper too! It's weird that such a popular rock band hasn't reissued all of their discography already.

The new Kraftwerk CDs are already oop too.

Entered tonevendor out of curiosity and right now they're selling PF's piper and the stone roses vinyl at a good price. So you can scratch those.

Also kraftwerk vinyl at $11 which is awesome. Still no luck on finding Computer world at a reasonable price though.

I've never understood the idea of buying albums that originally came out in the CD era (the 1990s or later) on vinyl. They won't sound better than on CD, but the vinyl will cost you at twice as much. Is the bigger cover art really worth the hassle?

They won't sound better than on CD

This is arguable

Can - Ege Bamyasi (and their whole discography, really)

All the albums were reissued in a vinyl box set last year and are in the process of being released individually. I'm seeing plenty of new copies of Ege Bamyasi in every record shop lately.

I don't think it is? I know that some CDs released in the 80s sound worse than vinyls, but that's because CD mastering was in its infancy back then, and vinyls were still the primary market, sotechnicians were still making some mistakes and dodgy choices. But in the 90s CDs became the primary format, so the sound engineering and mastering was geared towards that format, and the dodgy mastering jobs gradually disappeared. So unless an album was deliberately mastered to sound worse on CD than vinyl, any album released after CDs became the dominant format won't sound better on vinyl.

(xpost)

I have a couple of those Dory Previn 2fers on BGO... it may have been about 3 years ago I bought em though. Hearing just a little of her solo stuff made me want to hear everything immediately. She's definitely under appreciated.

the vinyl will cost you at twice as much

I shouldn't even bother to reply to this, but:

ISLAJA S U U CD MONIKA MONIKA 081CD $15.50

ISLAJA S U U LP MONIKA MONIKA 081LP $17.50

that's a brand new 2014 release, gtfo with this "twice as much" bullshit

Well, I was talking specifically about the OOP albums mentioned above, most of which I presume are easily and cheaply available on CD.

New albums are a different case (though even with them the vinyl versions still tend to cost more), but this thread isn't about new albums.

Yeah, gtfo with this "twice as much" bullshit

Psychedelic Pill by Neil Young with Crazy Horse (2012): $55.90 Vinyl

Psychedelic Pill by Neil Young with Crazy Horse (2012): $13.88 Audio CD

Another Self Portrait (1969-1971): The Bootleg Series Vol. 10 by Bob Dylan (2013): $60.38 Vinyl

Another Self Portrait (1969-1971): The Bootleg Series Vol. 10 by Bob Dylan (2013): $18.88 Audio CD

It's actually "thrice as much"

Sorry to be facetious, but the extortionate price of many new vinyl releases puts me off big time.

fwiw, original list price of Psychedelic Pill on its release date was around $90.

I've found that CD's and LP's cost around the same, maybe a couple of dollars more unless it some sort of weird special version which I personally don't like. Just a week ago I bought Linda Perhacs - Parallelograms and it costed me around $30 dollars because it's some sort of reissue with demos and unreleased tracks which I personally don't care for.

I always hated cd's so I don't have many around my house. I only buy vinyl for albums that I love and mp3s for singles or standalone tracks. This isn't really an opinion regarding quality of vinyl vs cds but I really like how my turntable and my vinyl shelf look in my house, they look much better than any stereosystem I had before.

It's perfectly valid to buy things because you think they look cooler than the other options.

Speaking of vinyl prices vs CD, from an observation I made just now at my local record store:

new Jenny Lewis CD: $12.99
new Jenny Lewis LP: $25.99

Neil young is a super extreme gouger, not a relevant example

^^ otm

bob too. All those boomers.

fair enough. but I regularly encounter vinyl releases that are significantly more expensive than the CD - which annoys be as I prefer vinyl. Anyway, i just thought the "bullshit" accusation up-thread was unfair.

annoys *me*

It's totally dependent of label and artist. Pink Floyd vinyl reissues are a joke per example, I think I saw a week ago that they're trying to push a $200 division bell vinyl reissue. It's ridiculous. Here's some examples of my latest purchases and their cd prices comparison:

John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman LP $13.99
John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman CD $18.99

Glass Candy - Beatbox LP+7" $13.98
Glass Candy - Beatbox CD $10.98

Chromatics - Night Drive Deluxe Edition 2xLP $19.98
Chromatics - Night Drive Deluxe Edition CD $11.98

Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender LP $14.98
Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender LP $15.98

Madvillain - Madvillainy LP $18.99
Madvillain - Madvillainy CD $16.99

M.I.A. - Arular LP $13.98
M.I.A. - Arular CD $11.98

It also depends where you buy, of course. I dislike Amazon, but they have your Coltrane / Hartmann CD for $11.88.

Yeah and the vinyl like in $40!? Weird.

gtfo with this "twice as much" bullshit

yea just to echo what others have said, this is not bullshit. at least in my local record shops, i'm priced out of most new vinyl. totally common to see $18, $20, $25, $40, $45 price tags for single LPs. i don't know who the fuck pays $40 or even $25 for a new record. vinyl can be a fucking ripoff.

If there's people willing to pay for it then the prices will remain up. I remember new CD's being $20 or more.

And pressings, particularly of newly-recorded stuff, can be a crapshoot. Last two vinyl records I bought -- Dylan's Tempest and Iris DeMent's Sing the Delta -- have flaws unique to each, flaws not present on any of my other (older) records.

oh yea i know there are people who pay that much. i just don't know who the fuck they are! they don't share my values, ha

I saw the guy that does pay that much. ONCE. He had an indie girl on one arm, and a stack of Audiophile Weezer reissues under the other. He may not have figured out 'the' way to live, but he found 'a way'.

Well I once saw a friend pay for a $35 vinyl copy of RED by Taylor Swift and she doesn't even own a turntable.

Granted she also buys books that she doesn't read and buys them because they have pretty spines to decorate bookshelves.

New albums round my way are pretty much always twice the price for vinyl: £10 for CD, £20 for vinyl.

Still I buy vinyl exclusively, rationale being:

1. I like vinyl.

2. If I want to sell an album three months later, I will get £5 for a CD and £20 for the vinyl.

3. If I want to sell an album five years later, I will get £1-10 for a CD and £20-40 for the vinyl.

I'm not really counting on this continuing (and I don't anticipate selling my records ever, really), but money on vinyl usually feels well spent.

My rational for buying vinyl is

1. If I can't find it on CD, and

2. it's the only format that can be played without electricity, so I better pick up some shit I'm gonna want to listen to forever.

(the recent news of the 2012 solar storm close call reminded me of the latter)

you guys need to give some more specific examples, i still find new lps ~15 but it's indie stuff that's not imported.

yeah all I see in these pricey examples are boomer and legacy artists, everything new and not super high profile is more like "a couple of bucks more than the CD"

if you can't find a used LP copy of Rocks for less than 5 bucks, you deserve to pay for a $29.98 reissue imo

on the other hand, no way in hell am I paying over $100 for an OOP LP copy of Pharoah Sanders' Izipho Zam, I bought that shit on CD, so I agree w/Tuomas there

2. it's the only format that can be played without electricity, so I better pick up some shit I'm gonna want to listen to forever.
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Oh and Pink Floyd's Meddle and Piper too! It's weird that such a popular rock band hasn't reissued all of their discography already.

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THe cds are being promoted at the moment, cut price in the couple of cd places in town and I saw a tv advert last week. Not 100% sure what it ties in with.
Just not expecting there to need to be a Pink Floyd back catalogue tv ad.
& I like those cds that came out a couple of years ago. Would just love to see the psychedelic era Immersion set appear, though I don't know if I could afford it.

The recent Wax and Wayne article about pressing plants sort of explained the increase in vinyl price. Fewer plants, aging machines, longer QA process, quirky vinyl formats (diff. colors, etc), all contribute to the difficulty of pressing an album. I still think it's a bit of record company inflation for no reason but there's probably also a justification for some of the price increase.

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While he was not a big star, I'm kind of surprised that quite a few of Buddy Miles Mercury LPs never came out in the CD era.

Electric Church ('69)
We Got to Live Together ('70)
A Message to the People ('71)
Buddy Miles Live ('71)

Them Changes with the obvious Hendrix tie seems to have stayed in print and Colombia put out some of his later ones on CD not that many years back. I got it, but Expressway to Your Skull has also come out on CD, but went out pretty quick and now goes for a few bucks.

What I have heard of the above is pretty solid early 70s R&B/rock. I'm guessing it's probably a licensing or masters missing issue perhaps? I dunno, seems like something at least one of the reissue labels would have licensed and done if whatever conglomerate had no interest.

The three full-lengths Karp put out are all out of print and sell for stupid money. I'm not sure what K's situation is now, but it seems like reissuing those would bring in some cash flow.

There are some other 80s-90s punk/indie from other labels doing similar. Laughing Hyena's Cds are going for a few bucks now online when I was looking to find them again.

Saccharine Trust ('80s SST jazzbeatartpunk band) seem to have everything they ever put out in print EXCEPT Surviving You, Always, their first LP (and follow-up to the Paganicons EP, which is probably their best-known thing). It's a completely great album, and I know it's useless to speculate about why Greg Ginn does what he does, but it's very odd that this is the one Sac Trust SST release he doesn't bother with.

For a while my guess was that it had to do with the cover of "Peace Frog" by the Doors not being cleared. But SST still sells a live album with a performance of that song on it. So it's a mystery.

I saw a current incarnation of ST 2-3 years ago (Jack Brewer was with them, but I don't know about other players), so Jack, at least, is still around and in the biz.

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In response to JRN, there's a whole host of stuff from the SST catalogue e.g. I'd love to see the Slovenly back catalogue get the box set treatment.

Looks like all the later Gun Club CDs go for a few bucks these days. I'd imagine the vinyl on those are really sparse on those out in the wild.

So, uh, that really nice Trees 50th Anniversary box set that was just released to get their albums back in print? Out of print already, barely two months after being released. I had a pre-order in back in early December that kept getting pushed back and pushed back before finally being canceled completely last week. Apparently more LP sets are coming in June of this year, but no more CD box sets.

I get that physical media right now is a gamble, but between this and the Richard & Linda Thompson box set that was sold out before it was released, it seems like labels just have no clue at all how to anticipate demand.

On the contrary, I think it's deliberate.

Seems the strategy is to create a panic buy.

yeah FOMO

really nice to see the recent Zoviet France reissues, and the Vanity label catalog

I don't know that I buy that it's 100% deliberate. I mean, obviously, as pointed out in another thread, creating demand and artificial scarcity is business 101, but when a hyped box sells out before the release date even hits, doesn't that also show that the label is leaving money on the table? At that point the only people profiting on it are the flippers and secondhand sales on places like Discogs. Seems like running out that fast would merit at least one more run, if the demand is there, but I don't run a label so...

I'm more specifically talking about the labels that are, "nope, that's it, we're done", not so much the labels that follow up with additional pressings later after they've gauged demand.

Yeah, that mentality that every reissue is a Rhino Handmade.

I read a little chat with George Clanton (who runs his own label) about this sort of thing, he says it's pretty much impossible to figure out demand for vinyl. Some stuff sells out immediately and gets flipped for 4x the price, some get a flurry of orders right away but then will sell just 1-2 copies every week. He's pretty good with doing extra runs every time something gets sold out but idk how feasible that is for bigger labels. There's definitely this culture, especially with boutique labels like Light in the Attic, where if you don't preorder on Day 1 you miss your chance forever, and I'm sure the labels don't mind that exactly

the Richard & Linda Thompson box set that was sold out before it was released

I had no idea that sold out. I think with an elaborate boxed set for an artist like the Thompsons, who were never big sellers, the (reluctant) label has to be convinced to make it happen in the first place. They probably agree to do it along the lines of, "Fine, fine, we'll put it out, but since no one buys this stuff, we'll only press x copies." Then it sells out, but the label has no major incentive to repress. The profits that something like the Thompsons box generate for a major label are probably so minuscule as to be the equivalent of an accounting rounding error.

(Then again, the live Jam box that came out a few years ago also sold out quickly, wasn't repressed, and the Jam were huge in the UK.)

Ha I emailed george Clanton recently about doing another run of the Windows96 reissue they put out. He said they would like to but it’s a matter of getting the rights again or something

that thing sold out in like an hour or two

same with the I'll Try Living Like This repress, which I think really surprised him, since the original run on Orange Milk took a couple years to fully sell out. these were gone within like an hour and I think a lot of people were pissed because he didn't even have time to formally announce it before they were all spoken for. I think FOMO does play a huge role here, much easier to convince yourself to pull the trigger if you think you won't have the choice in a half hour

Oh yeah, FOMO is a big driver for sure. It's just aggravating to miss out on a limited window only to see, inevitably, six months later there are 18 copies popping up on eBay and Discogs, still shrink-wrapped and clearly bought specifically for flipping.

yeah it really annoyed me to see all those Hosono reissues sell out immediately and go for 3x the price. I feel like if you've been posting about the guy for a decade you deserve a shot at a copy, even if you didn't preorder.

Or, more aggravatingly, trying to find a out-of-print boxed set, and then the artist dies, and the same set is a couple hundred $ more than a week (or a day) earlier. Aretha Franklin's Take A Look was going for maybe $100-$175, but right after she died, it was (is) impossible to find for less than $350.

when a hyped box sells out before the release date even hits, doesn't that also show that the label is leaving money on the table? Seems like running out that fast would merit at least one more run, if the demand is there, but I don't run a label so...

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Minimizing risk seems to take priority over maximizing profit these days. They need or want to sell everything pressed.
Especially those running smaller boutique or vanity labels who have to store their own stock, vs. labels whose unsold stock sits in a distributor's warehouse.
Fwiw I have spoken to artists who are very frustrated by this practice, and others who grudgingly accept it.

As you say the focus is not (and imo, should not be) on physical product

Yeah, that all makes sense, and I get it. My expectations adjust depending on the label, artist, etc. I have a little less understanding when a label like Universal blows it with something like that Thompson box set.

I hung around waiting for a copy of that Trees box set to appear as an Xmas present that had been ordered and supposedly sent to me. It never appeared. NOw just had to pay for a copy so hoping that is the end of the story.

I thought i got the audio for the Thompson box which had the late 70s lps by the couple then couldn't find it. Shame would love a copy cos I don't know that late 70s stuff between Pour Down Like Silver and Shoot Out The Lights. & that was a box that was getting publicity and reviews almost everywhere and Thompson is not exactly unknown either. So yeah what exactly gives like.

im sympathetic to risk-averse labels insofar as (ime) people saying "i would totally buy that" do not in fact always totally buy that

Oh, absolutely. I just hate to see buying new music turn into some sneaker drop thing where you have to be on the right website or see the right tweet at the exactly right time to snag a pre-order.

no yeah totally. as a consumer there can be this almost demeaning element to it. like yesterday i got a promo email from a label about a short run repressing of a recent-ish release i wanted , "COPIES IN STOCK, WILL SELL OUT!", i immediately followed the link and bought a copy, and while i'm excited to get this album theres also a weird gross feeling about like buying something on command

I am upset that I feel bad I missed out on the Deepchord - Lanterns limited repress. FOMO is a valuable tool. The same thing exists with boutique video game publishers; it's their entire business model.

I've been lucky enough to score a Grouper 7" that remains $75+ on discogs

On the other hand I've been had by the "X copies remaining" manipulative device on bandcamp and overpaid for an album or 2. Freaking FOMO.

I’m guessing they are in indie ownership rights limbo but I would figure there would be interest in getting those early Screaming Trees records into print again.

To me, Buzz Factory was my favorite one they did and it is crazy expensive on secondary markets as a cd and Lp at this point.

i saw copies of the first three SST Lps yesterday at a store- don't know how long they'll be available though

here it is-

https://sstsuperstore.com/products/screaming-trees-buzz-factory-lp

More than a few old Rhino Handmade releases, but especially T Bone Burnett - Proof Through the Night/Trap Door EPs