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Obviously Autobahn through to Computer World(with the exception of radioactivity) are undeniable classics(anyone care to disagree?)
BUT what about the little known and unavailable Kraftwerk 1, Kraftwerk 2 (the ones with the cones on the cover) and Ralf & Florian?
Are they worth downloading(since they can never be found in shops unless bootlegs are available)?
And are the guys from Neu! on them? Someone told me they even feature guitar, violins and drums.
Anyone know if these albums are worth checking out?

Jimmy Smith, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 16:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

i'd say they're worth downloading, but don't expect anything like the accesible popness of the post autobahn continuum. they're closer in spirit to krautrock stuff like sand, dom, cluster/kluster, etc. ralf und florian is definitely getting closer to the 'autobahn' sound.

i'm not sure about neu! playing on the early stuff - i'm thinking that they might've done some stuff on the first album, but i'm fairly sure the second is just ralf and florian. there is definitely guitar on kraftwerk 2, though, so maybe i've got that backwards. there are a couple of bootlegs floating around and one of them features the kraftwerk/neu lineup in rough fidelity (including a track from the pre-kraftwerk organisation lineup, which you can actually see on the "krautrock" video tape that's floating around).

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 16:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

i wasnt expecting it to have the pop majesty of later albums, but is it comparable to very early Can and the 1st tangerine dream album(which is magnificent has guitars,violins & drums also)
Or is it just avant garde subpar nonsense?
I just wondered what people thought of a non-synth kraftwerk.
I guess most people havent heard them. It sounds though it may be worth checking out. Will i find them on soulseek?

Jimmy Smith, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

Some of the stuff on those first albums sounds proto-industrial to me. My favorites are the more accessible "Klingklang" (mostly for its mellow passages) and "Ruckzuck" (but I don't like how they come abruptly crashing out of their groove(s) on that track, as though they don't know what else to do, and need to uglify it all to make it more "experimental" sounding). Nice flute work on both these tracks, plus electronics (or electric keyboard anyway). These tracks are both good none academic minimalist works, somewhat Enoesque. The other stuff I am rarely in the mood for, but if you like, say, Throbbing Gristle, you might like.

(I have good sounding copies of these albums on CD that I bought in a store, not even knowing they were officially unavailable.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

yes, they are worth picking up. but only if you like freer more experimental kraut stuff. way more jammy. hardly any electronics on the first two.

the line up on the first one is ralf hutter, florian schnider, andreas hohmann, and klaus dinger (neu!)

obviously "Ralf and Florian" is just ralf and florian.

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:35 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Strom" is kind of nice, too (now playing). Jangular distorted guitar sounds and then some bare melody.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

I've downloaded most of them online, so yes, they are on SoulSeek. "Ananas Symphonie" is a beautiful, beautiful track. A lot of the others are good, too.

Adam A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 18:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

ralf and florian is nice, summery, kind of hawaiian

radioactivity is great, i didnt know people didnt like that one

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 19:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

who don't like Radioactivity?

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 20:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

they're playing live in australia in january. which will be interesting if nothing else.

as for the early things, there's an awfull lot of flute on them which may sway you one way or another. all of these hippy bands just LOVED a flute. it's rampant on the first Kluster album too.

phil turnbull (philT), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 21:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

i wasnt expecting it to have the pop majesty of later albums, but is it comparable to very early Can and the 1st tangerine dream album

not can, but tangerine dream's "electronic meditation" would probably be a fairish comparison, in the freer parts. "ruckzuck" is definitely great - it was actually used as the theme for a pop-science for kids program here in the US ("newton's apple") and has a bouncy little groove. if you like neu! and "electronic meditation," yes, you need to hear the first two kraftwerks.

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 22:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

flute rocks

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 22:40 (11 years ago) Permalink

Ananas Symphonie is probably my favourite song ever. As far as Neu! involvement, I think there might be some Klaus Dinger drumwork on the first LP - Michael Rother joined after the LP was made.

Damian (Damian), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 00:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

What's yr second favorite?

Adam A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 01:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Ruckzuck" is one of my favourite songs (well there're about 200 but still) - I really like the groovy flute playing. It's kind of "hard" flute, not floaty. I think Kwerk 1 & 2 are both really strong albums and I like Ralf und Florian less, pretty fond of "Tanzmusik" from that though.

spectra, Wednesday, 25 December 2002 05:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

My second favourite might be Joy Division's Atmosphere (just ensuring no confusion with the Russ Abbott one). Ananas Symphonie makes me want to buy a steel guitar.

Damian (Damian), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 09:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

It's kind of "hard" flute, not floaty.

Exactly. I'm glad someone else figured out how to say this (although I do like some floaty flute).

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 25 December 2002 14:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...
I swear there was a thread about the supposed reissues for Kraftwerk (hell if I could find it). Anyway....So about the reissue(s)...Rough Trade is now selling Computer World (REMASTERED) vinyl. Out today in fact. Hope this is the beginning of the reissues (and on cds as well).

http://www.roughtrade.com/site/shop_detail.lasso?search_type=sku&sku=261722&-session=rt1:438A746B11c01034E0mnI17C685B

van nostrum (Buck Van Smack), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

(how do you make long links short, with just a word or two?)

van nostrum (Buck Van Smack), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

[a href="PUT URL HERE BETWEEN THE QUOTATION MARKS"]WORD OR PHRASE OF YOUR CHOOSING[/a]

Replace "[" and "]" with ""

This is my most "advanced" html trick.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's not showing up here- should be replacing the square brackets with angle brackets.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hope this is the beginning of the reissues
On that page you linked, they list 1 & 2 as a double package and Autobahn too, all on coloured vinyl.

willem (willem), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 05:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

They are all bootlegs.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk have been notorious for announcing stuff that *never* happens - earlier this year, they announced that the first three albums would finally get released on CD - no bonus tracks, but "re-mastered" - how can you re-master something that was mever (CD) mastered to begin with? Anyway, the first 3 are great - my favorite is "Kristallo" from "Ralf & Florian", sounds great when played LOUD.

SoHoLa (SoHoLa), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

you need "tone float" by kraftwerk / organisation - which is kinda like a pre kraftwerk hippy drum circle with wiggy violin, flute & hammond organ - at least as good as kwerk 1 & 2 which are their all time best apart from the original tour de france. get it get it get it - it's the best

bob snoom, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7813200.stm

:(

Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

The boy Schnieder done good but he has to hang up his boots sometime

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've been disappointed by how accessible they've been over the past few years. Maybe this will restore a little mystery.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

But Florian was the weirdo mystery element in the group

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

And now he's not even in it! It's like SUPER MYSTERIOUS!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

This at the bottom of the BBC page...


Cones hotline
The lasting legacy of John Major's much ridiculed plan

snoball, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

what would Florian do?

Hopefully jam with Michael Rother and Jaki L., but probably not. :(

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Every time I play the opening minute or two of "Europe Endless" I'm kinda convinced there's no better start to a song -- an album, ANYTHING -- out there. It's such a perfectly realized and precise arrangement, and *then* the beats arrive.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

co-sign!

Europa Endlos should be the anthem of the EU.

Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Every time I play the opening minute or two of "Europe Endless" I'm kinda convinced there's no better start to a song -- an album, ANYTHING -- out there. It's such a perfectly realized and precise arrangement, and *then* the beats arrive.

For me, that moment is the keyboard interlude the third time or so it's repeated. For one, I just love the sound of the saw wave and the little modulation accents Ralf plays. But on that iteration, Ralf knocks it up a register — and it just takes off. Easily my favorite Kraftwerk moment, period.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 April 2009 19:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Folks have probably already seen this, but just in case:

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3212&Itemid=26

Remasters of Autobahn, Radio-Activity, Trans Europe Express), The Man Machine, Computer World, Techno Pop, The Mix, and Tour De France. Available individually or as a box set, in which case they come in those horrible little "mini LP sleeve" packages people seem to like for some reason.

More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 05:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

On October 5 Kraftwerk will release 12345678: The Catalogue, a CD box set collecting eight of their classic studio albums. Newly remastered versions of the albums will also be available individually on CD, vinyl and download.



The release is via Mute; it marks the 35th anniversary of the band's 1974 hit 'Autobahn' and will come mere weeks after they headline the 2009 edition of Bestival. Kraftwerk are arguably more important than The Beatles in terms of profound influence on the evolution of modern music,
.. etcetc...

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

- 8 x individual CDs presented in special slipcases featuring newly expanded artwork, including many previously unseen images all of which have been reproduced to the highest technical standards.

- CD Box Set containing 8 x CDs in ‘mini-vinyl’ card wallet packaging, plus individual large format booklets.

- 8 x individual heavyweight vinyl LPs with large format booklets.

- Digital downloads.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Any reason to buy these for those of us who own all the albums on CD already? Sounds like extra packaging but nothing in the way of new/unreleased music... not really into those types of reissues.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Remastered sound?

StanM, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh my god, I'm listening to the original '83 version of "Tour de France" right now and am FLIPPING OUT

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 18:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

for the first time

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 18:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Remastered sound?

The remastering will be the selling point for me. The CDs that we've been listening to for the last twenty years leave a lot to be desired.

Vast Halo, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 19:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

will "Techno Pop" be mythical lost album or just "Electric Cafe" with original title?

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

wikipedia says it's just electric cafe with the original title

elan, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

ralf and florian is nice, summery, kind of hawaiian

-- this explains why i like that lp so much!

amateurist, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Techno Pop was basically a failed album that had the best parts remixed into Electric Cafe. I doubt it will ever seen the light of day and I am not too upset about it. It would be neat to hear out of curiosity, but I doubt they have eight Tour de France style joints sitting in the can waiting to be heard.

That being said, I can only imagine what they have in their archives. I would love to hear the demos for songs that didn't make the cut for their studio albums. They will never be heard while Hutter is alive, but it will be interesting to see how his estate handles the music.

It will also be interesting to see who is credited on the box set. I wonder if Schneider will have his name removed like Bartos and Flur.

your original display name is still visible (Display Name), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

.. and Conny Plank...

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

1983 demo version of 'Techno Pop' is utterly different than album version, almost a 70's retrench with the Orchestron vocal choir playing the chord sequence, I like it better than the album version

& there were three new tunes on the 98 tour than remain unreleased, I can see why but I'd still love a studio version of the one that sounds like their take on Basic Channel

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

word! is that demo vers floating around somewhere reachable?
the live versions I've heard of the "Techno Pop" stuff is pretty great ... hard-hitting, muscular stuff

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

usual place, + demo version of 'techno pop' widely available on 'ultra rare trax volume 2' comp, most widely available bootleg of 97/98 tour is 'Computer Sinfonien ZKM'

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

correction, one word "Computersinfonien"

but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

ace, thanks!

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

"but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too"

for a second i'm thinking i clicked on the live dead thread by mistake...

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah I mean "Fillmore" is a better, more lush recording that captures more of the vibe of the night, but at "Tribal" Ralf was just so on

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

The only Kraftwerk recordings I have are 70's era, including the one with Rother + Dinger, and this one from Leverkusen with a 40 minute Autobahn

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

you know where leonardo is? I've been looking for Leverkusen forever, I'll put up 1975 Brighton if you post that one

to go back to "Tribal" it was like Ralf had all this energy that you could literally see rising out of his hands, and it wasn't the acid because I asked Mary and she saw the same tendrils

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's in flac or shn; what's the best way to send something of that size?

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

i quite liked the three late 90s demos esp. the Tribal '97 one. actually 'Tango' was a bit shit but they kept doing that live for a while unlike the other two.

unban dictionary (blueski), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh jeez, probably zipping the flac files would get them under sendspace-able 300 MB

I know this is bad form trading right out here on the street but seriously if they sold this shit legit we wouldn't be in the sorry state we are right now man

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh it's fine, I got it all on dime/dc++ anyway. It's not like it's copyrighted or anything.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Relistening to this Autobahn for the first time in like 6 years. Sound quality's kind of shit, but performance is simply transcendent. If this isn't A++++ I don't know what is; the motorik breakdown alone is like 10 minutes. Will post soon.

The whole thing's 980 megs though; I think I'll just V0 this or something.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

fine with mp3's

Kraftwerk POX
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jfeegk

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

the other non-album Kraftwerk single I'm looking for, the pre-Conny Plank 7" version of “Kohoutek – Kometenmelodie” - http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/thebookofseth/1743

have heard side 1, still haven't heard side 2

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.sendspace.com/file/5rsc6e

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 02:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Techno Pop version of 'Sex Object'

http://r*pidshare.com/files/266436158/kwtp.zip.html

Brakhage, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 05:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

where?

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 06:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

If you google kohoutek and kraftwerk it's one of the first results

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 12:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, found one. Quite recently, I did that, got nowt...

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

chemicalbeats.blogspot.com usually has some good stuff.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Leverkusen is hilarious, it's rare to hear that many technical problems / mistakes, it's enjoyable. and that version of Autobahn is hands down beautiful.

for the Brighton show they'd just bought the Orchestron, so it's a fun chance to hear them use those TEE Strings / Radioactivity Choir samples on almost every single song

not a single one of the 70's shows I don't want to hear at least once: http://www.valand.gu.se/dm/students/andreas/kw_skivor/bootlegs.html

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 18:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

They never did perform "Europe Endless"/"Endless Endless"/"Franz Schubert" live did they? I would killlll to hear one...

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

you should track down the london roundhouse gig from 1976, they do "europe endless" and a version of "trans europe express" that sounds like a work in progress, quite different from the released version

zappi, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'd love to hear that

also, above, when saying 'Live at the Fillmore' I in fact meant '19980607 - Live at the Warfield, SF'

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

I know this is retarded and I love Kraftwerk but seeing them live this year made me sad. Maybe they're too old for this sort of thing now. :(

Turangalila, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

listening back (cough cough) "europe endless" is not quite there either, the rhythm is different & faster, extra vocal bits etc. its quite odd hearing songs you know inside out at an earlier stage.

zappi, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

seeing them live this year made me sad.

I saw them last year and it was AMAZING (had never seen Florian-including lineup though)

more funny and original than, 'ow you say, a penis (sic), Thursday, 13 August 2009 05:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

I love Kraftwerk but seeing them live this year made me sad

Yeah, I skipped the early 00s UK dates because I thought I would prefer to imagine how they'd have been at the time of releasing their best music rather than see them now, but inspired by last-tour-ever rumours I was considering seeing them next month in Helsinki...

(Mainly I just noticed I have some leave left and thought that Helsinki would be fun and a music festival in Helsinki would be extra fun and a music festival with Kraftwerk headlining would be, uh, extra extra fun.)

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 13 August 2009 13:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Jori Hulkkonen's Acid Symphony is opening for Kraftwerk in Helsinki. You should go. I've seen clips of their performance and it's really unique and fun. Then you could stick around and see 4 old dudes stand behind laptops with cool visuals projected behind them.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 13 August 2009 16:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Then you could stick around and see 4 old dudes stand behind laptops with cool visuals projected behind them.
Bwahahaha. QFT.

Turangalila, Thursday, 13 August 2009 18:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

the whole second half of that Leverkusen gig is top notch. the version of Kristallo is intense, and what in the world is that Irish jig that Ralf moogs into for the last ten minutes of the show? it's closer to Roedelius than anything they ever came close to putting on a record, even the keyboard noodling on 'Ralf and Florian' is restrained compared to that. Cluster and Kraftwerk really were on parallel tracks in 1974... thanks for posting SD.

I would love to hear the rest of that Roundhouse gig, not to beg for further generosity. Here's 'Kraftwerk !/2', which was a CDR of all their 70/71 WDR TV appearances put out by the same Seidr label that released 'K4' -- it should have gotten the same amount of attention, but it's clever title is unfortunately completely googleproof

Milton Parker, Thursday, 13 August 2009 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oops, the Finland date is actually, uh, tonight. Guess I'm not going then!

Thanks for all the music links, much appreciated.

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 13 August 2009 21:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

sorry milton, got sidetracked. full roundhouse

zappi, Thursday, 13 August 2009 22:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

T/F: this is the best thread on ILM

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Friday, 14 August 2009 05:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

T. Maybe.

Thanks Milton, for that !/2 thing, I've never been able to locate it. Organisation's Ruckzuck is quite hilarious. Bongo's?
Thansk Stevie for the Leverkusen gig. German girls making fun of fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n :-D

Local recordshop has a few Kraftwerk boots on vinyl. Don't know them by heart but a here's a few:
Somewhere in Europe (Side a is Paris, b is Utrecht iirc)
Showroom Dummies (double LP, not sure about the title, it's a UK gig from 1975)
an LP with WDR recordings (amongst which both Kometenmelodies and Autobahn)
a double LP with 1975 US recordings.
and probably two more I forgot

Tips as to what's good? Should probably get them all, right? ;-)

willem, Friday, 14 August 2009 06:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

willem et al have you all heard the Kraftneu! recordings? There's the legendary K4 bootleg, and apparently there's another one from St. Ingbert, '71

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Friday, 14 August 2009 06:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've got the K4 and love it, don't know the St. Ingbert boot.

willem, Friday, 14 August 2009 06:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just found it on my hard drve; kinda sounds like shit and is cut off at the end.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Friday, 14 August 2009 06:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Great stuff, guys

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Friday, 14 August 2009 08:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

Somewhere in Europe (Side a is Paris, b is Utrecht iirc)

the 20 minutes from Olympia, Paris, 19760228 are a beautiful radio concert w/ good sound grade A if you like 'Ralf and Florian'. the Utrecht side is 6 songs from 1981, all great but leaves out too many of the best things from the 1981 tour (I recommend '19810907 - Virtu ex Machina (Tokyo)' is a good soundboard recording, '19810703 - Live at the Hammersmith Odeon, London' is a room recording but has an incredible 8-bit toy solo in 'Pocket Calculator', and the 'It's More Fun To Compute' encore at 150 bpm = yes

Showroom Dummies (double LP, not sure about the title, it's a UK gig from 1975)

want to hear this

an LP with WDR recordings (amongst which both Kometenmelodies and Autobahn)

this is one of the first ones that made it to CD as 'Super Golden Radio Shows'. pretty low fidelity for a radio gig. hearing this actually put me off the trail of hunting down 70's live kraftwerk for a long time, and it's definitely not as good as the semi-legit Concert Classics which anyone still reading this almost certainly wants

a double LP with 1975 US recordings.

there are so many I haven't heard. I have an LP of them playing Kentucky that's very fuzzy, but has a crazy four on the floor kickdrum for 'Tanzmusik' that shows just how different they played the set night to night

I'd love to hear the St. Ingert, even though all reports put it at barely listenable

Milton Parker, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Will work on upping the Ingbert tonight. Milton, do you have anything good from 90/91ish when they performed "Tour de France" or the 97/98 shows with the "new songs"?

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Friday, 14 August 2009 22:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

still haven't heard any 90/91 shows, which would be interesting to hear because it's the one post-digital but pre-laptop tour

the ZKM concert was the only one where they played all three of the new songs: http://sickness-abounds.blogspot.com/2008/08/kraftwerk-robotronik-bermensch.html

Milton Parker, Friday, 14 August 2009 22:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

MP what's your favorite live recording of "Numbers"? And why?

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Saturday, 15 August 2009 02:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

the 97/98 digital retool of 'Numbers', the update gave it just enough of a twist that it was almost overwhelming as an opening number, and my favorite recording is the one at the Warfield because I remember many of the exact screams

Milton Parker, Saturday, 15 August 2009 06:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for your elaborate answer, Milton.
I'm going on a two week trip tomorrow but I'll definitely check out a couple of the boots when I return

willem, Saturday, 15 August 2009 21:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Techno Pop version of 'Sex Object'

http://r*pidshare.com/files/266436158/kwtp.zip.html

Only ten downloads allowed - repost anyone?

more funny and original than, 'ow you say, a penis (sic), Sunday, 16 August 2009 10:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

Techno Pop version of 'Sex Object'

http://www.sendspace.com/file/updyx0 :)

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Sunday, 16 August 2009 16:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

From what I gather from "Tour de France" and this version of "Sex Object", Techno Pop is essentially a lost electro album. Which severely breaks my heart.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Sunday, 16 August 2009 16:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Thanks claws for the reup. I always forget about RS limits.

Really enjoying these bootlegs!

From what I remember, Techno Pop had to be totally scrapped because it was practically in the can when MIDI came out and changed everything. I think they thought that it would sound horribly dated if they released it as-is, and that MIDI would change their entire touring setup as well.

I would imagine generally by the early eighties that most Kling Klang studio time was spent figuring out what the latest tech was, only to have something else come out which they then had to get to grips with, etc etc. The learning and experimentation curve probably precluded making any music once the pace of technology increased to a certain point and they had some measure of financial success. Ralf was quoted as saying that Florian spent most of the last couple decades working on 'speech synthesis, things like that'.

Brakhage, Monday, 17 August 2009 11:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

thanks stevie!

chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 09:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is there an MSRP for The Catalogue yet? This is the first/only box set in my entire life I'm fully willing to buy (except the In Rainbows discbox which was a ridiculous spur-of-the-moment impulse buy, not that I regret it...)

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 15:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

does anyone else feel like no including the first three albums is a bit of a sham? when i had to write a news story about this for xlr8r, i exclaimed aloud, "NO Ralf und Florian? NO credibility" and one of my editors chuckled a bit.

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 22:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Why the hell is this coming out on Mute in the UK? I know it's part of EMI now but all Kraftwerk's albums have been released on EMI and this box set should be no different. I mean, I like Mute and all, but they have had nothing to do with Kraftwerk in the past.

anagram, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 22:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

maybe Kraftwerk the hell wanted a dedicated staff who would actually care the hell about the project and do their best to work it the hell to retail and press

idthk

miss pamela and the gtfo's (sic), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 06:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

lool

king boy pamito (electricsound), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 06:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

maybe Kraftwerk the hell wanted a dedicated staff who would actually care the hell about the project and do their best to work it the hell to retail and press

And you think they're more likely to get that from Mute than from the parent company? ROTFL

anagram, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 08:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

um, yeah?

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 08:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

like, of course?

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 08:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

There are good and bad people working in every record company. Just because a label has a cachet of cool is no guarantee that they will care more about a project or be able to work it any better than a major label.

anagram, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 09:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

True, but I get the impression Mute are better than most in the 'cool' stakes. See their handling of the Can back catalogue for comparison.

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 09:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

I mean 'better than most 'cool' labels in their handling of projects...

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 09:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

(also, the 'parent company' being EMI, who I wouldn't trust to run a jumble sale right now...)

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 10:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 2 October 2009 15:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

What's the exclusive track?

StanM, Friday, 2 October 2009 16:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

the 2009 digital remaster of 'the robots'

koogs, Friday, 2 October 2009 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

cool, thx!

StanM, Friday, 2 October 2009 16:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

want it ripped stan?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 2 October 2009 16:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

yes please!

StanM, Friday, 2 October 2009 16:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'll try sending via gmail

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 2 October 2009 16:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Thx! If it doesn't work I'll hear it soon enough (I hope), I've preordered the box set.

StanM, Friday, 2 October 2009 16:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

attachment failed. I'll try elsewhere

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 2 October 2009 17:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Thanks! Don't put too much effort into this, I'll probably survive not hearing it for a couple of days more :-)

StanM, Friday, 2 October 2009 17:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sounds GREAT! But this is the single version, does this mean there's going to be bonus tracks on the albums? (at least, I don't have this one yet - the one on the Man Machine is much slower and the one on The Mix is completely different)

StanM, Friday, 2 October 2009 17:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh wait, it's an edit from the The Mix version. nevermind. Great remaster, though. Yay!

StanM, Friday, 2 October 2009 17:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://sharebee.com/fd471106

= 8 seconds from The Robots @ 320 kbps from The Mix (2004 promo remaster leak)
followed by the same 8 seconds from the 2009 remaster.

StanM, Friday, 2 October 2009 17:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh well looks like i wont be buying it this month. as a beatles fan i could do with saving some money. cheers mojo!!

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pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 2 October 2009 23:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

From the MOJO interview, when asked about the first 3 albums not being part of The Catalogue:

"They are coming. We are working on them with more drawings, more paintings, more photographs. We are working on the old tapes, they are very dusty".

willem, Sunday, 4 October 2009 01:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sounds GREAT! But this is the single version, does this mean there's going to be bonus tracks on the albums? (at least, I don't have this one yet - the one on the Man Machine is much slower and the one on The Mix is completely different)

The one change that I know of is 'House Phone' is added to the Techno Pop tracklisting.

Brakhage, Sunday, 4 October 2009 07:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

For European people, all the remasters (with really terrible covers) are now on Spotify.

Neil S, Monday, 12 October 2009 16:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

seen them in shops. very tempting but gonna wait for Der Katalog

spiny doughboy (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 October 2009 18:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well, I like the new covers.

The "Autobahn" one had loads of "official" covers...

Mark G, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 08:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

holy shit the 1973 single version of "Kometenmelodie" is absolutely gorgeous. I guess I need to get into early Kraftwerk? Or is this single atypical?

Euler, Thursday, 31 December 2009 15:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pzf3j

The Man Machine: The Story of Kraftwerk
Saturday (2010-01-16), 22:00 on BBC Radio 2

Jarvis Cocker presents the story of a group of musicians who've influenced artists and movements as diverse as David Bowie, Coldplay, hip hop and the New Romantics.

The programme features a rare interview with Kraftwerk founding member and the only remaining original, Ralph Hutter. It also examines the part played in the "Krautrock" movement by other German electronic music exponents of the 70s, such as Neu! and Tangerine Dream.

koogs, Thursday, 14 January 2010 12:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Blimey, since Florian left, Ralf's been all "Hello Everybody!"

Mark G, Thursday, 14 January 2010 12:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't like it when people bang on about such-and-such a band's "influence" as though that's the main reason we should celebrate them. IMHO the reason we should celebrate a band like Kraftwerk is because of the records they made, without the historical context.

Plus, I hope they don't let Hütter see the two mistakes they made in his name. Plus, Jarvis Cocker ffs.

anagram, Thursday, 14 January 2010 12:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

geeta, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

wow! more kraftneu!

beautifully clear shots of their mixing boards too

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that is fantastic footage. Thanks for the link geeta!

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

dope

thick-necked and hateful (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

truly hoping a complete unedited bootleg of this live version of kling klang shows up someday, sans voiceover

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah that Bremmen Radio bootleg is so great especially given how bad the Neu! 72 live album is. I really wish they had stayed together longer.

frogbs, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

that first clip is the clearest Beat Club footage I've ever seen. Now I want to be in a band where I get to sit at a little desk with a cup of tea while I play.

the wheelie king (wk), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 18:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's amazing, isn't it? i went searching on that guy's YouTube page to see if he'd posted more clips but the rest of his uploads are horrible German schlager, that's the only Kraftwerk clip he's got

geeta, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

ugh both of those clips are so great.

tylerw, Friday, 12 August 2011 22:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

kraftwerk is guest-editing wallpaper* magazine

http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlines/kraftwerk-gues-edits-new-issue-wallpaper-magazine/

geeta, Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Having loved their stuff from Autobahn onwards, I did go about checking out their first three albums at one point. However, aside from 'Ruckzuck' (the first track on Kraftwerk 1), not much else of it warranted a second listen for me. However, it's all worth listening to at least one just to hear the roots.

Turrican, Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

A 3-D video installation by Kraftwerk premieres next month at an art museum in Munich. Kraftwerk will be playing three special concerts in 3-D in Munich to accompany the exhibition, which are all sold out:

http://www.lenbachhaus.de/cms/index.php?id=51&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=176&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=cc4d30f42b

geeta, Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

KRAFTWERK. 3-D VIDEO-INSTALLATION

15. Oktober - 13. November 2011, Di - So 10 - 22 Uhr

In den letzten vier Jahrzehnten haben die Elektro-Pioniere Kraftwerk Musikgeschichte geschrieben und weltweit Erfolge gefeiert. Bereits seit den Anfängen in den frühen 70er Jahren war Kraftwerk mit den Entwicklungen modernster Technologien verbunden. Die dadurch möglich gewordenen Töne haben dem digitalen Zeitalter nicht nur den bis dato fehlenden Sound verliehen. Kraftwerk gelten darüber hinaus als Pioniere und Urväter sehr verschiedener Musikrichtungen wie Hip-Hop, Electro, House, Techno und Synthie Pop. Seit ihrem Konzertauftritt im Rahmen der Biennale Venedig 2005 nimmt auch die Welt der zeitgenössischen Kunst die multimedialen Darbietungen von Kraftwerk als einzigartige Form künstlerischer Performance wahr. Im Kunstbau des Lenbachhauses wird nun zum ersten Mal die von Kraftwerk programmierte Bild- und Tonwelt als immersives Gesamtkunstwerk außerhalb des Konzertsaals erfahrbar. In einer speziell für den Kunstbau entwickelten mehrkanaligen 3D-Videoinstallation wird der einzigartigen und wirkmächtigen Stellung von Kraftwerk innerhalb der Geschichte der bildenden und darstellenden Künste Rechnung getragen.

Zur Ausstellung im Kunstbau erscheint eine begleitende Publikation im Verlag Schirmer/Mosel: Kraftwerk 3-D. Mit 3-D Brille

Im Vorfeld der Ausstellung finden folgende Konzerte von Kraftwerk in der Alten Kongresshalle in München statt:

12.10., 20 Uhr (ausverkauft)
13.10., 20 Uhr (ausverkauft)
13.10., 24 Uhr (ausverkauft)

geeta, Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

In the last four decades, the electric power plant pioneers have written music history and successes celebrated worldwide. Since its beginnings in the early 70's power plant was connected with the developments of modern technology. The tones have become possible by the digital age, given not only the lack of sound to date. Power plant are also pioneers and founding fathers of very different styles of music like hip-hop, electro, house, techno and synth pop. Since her concert performance at the 2005 Venice Biennale, also perceives the world of contemporary art multi-media performances of the work force as a unique form of artistic performance. In the Kunstbau Lenbachhaus is now programmed for the first time the power plant of image and sound world experience as immersive work of art outside the concert hall. In a specially developed for the 3D structure of art multichannel video installation of the more unique and powerful position of power within the history of the visual and performing arts will be taken into account.

The exhibition is an accompanying publication will appear in the structure of art in the Schirmer / Mosel: Power Plant 3-D. With 3-D glasses

Prior to the exhibition will find the following concerts of power plant instead of in the Old Congress Hall in Munich:

Mark G, Friday, 9 September 2011 08:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

picture of Skrillex

Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Monday, 31 October 2011 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

oh dear:

http://pic.twitter.com/hHLkyyz2

geeta, Friday, 3 February 2012 07:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

OMG BITCH, KRAFTWERK IS THE BOMB

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 3 February 2012 08:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

TIESTO KRAFTWERK

SELF DEPORTATION (Z S), Friday, 3 February 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk, New Order, 2manydjs, benga+skream, high contrast, flylo, sbtrkt ... and i bet the crowd will be decent-looking. thanks for the heads up!

lukas, Friday, 3 February 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

TIESTO KRAFTWERK

Google Trans = "Kraftwerk Tribute"

Mark G, Friday, 3 February 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, OK, not really.

Mark G, Friday, 3 February 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

and skrillex, let's not forget him

i bet kraftwerk is getting paid unholy sums of money for this gig

geeta, Friday, 3 February 2012 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

hopefully they'll add some us dates beyond this

geeta, Friday, 3 February 2012 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

NO and KW on the same bill - sounds like a winner to me

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 4 February 2012 11:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

waht

Born To Meat Pie (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 4 February 2012 12:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

hnngh

tylerw, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

OH MAN

tmi but (Z S), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

OMG.

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

5 – Computer World (1981)
Sunday, April 15, 8:30 p.m.

i. must. go.

tmi but (Z S), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

My wife and I are MOMA members - I've emailed the museum to find out if there'll be tickets held for members. Really want to go to at least one night of this. Wonder which night will be the least attended? I'm betting either The Mix or Tour de France, but honestly, The Mix night is the one I'd most like to attend. I loved that CD when it came out.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

bollox... just booked tickets for my first ever US trip to NY in April. Fly home on the 9th April.

Bummed.

Talcum Mucker, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

the press release says 'The exhibition is made possible by a partnership with Volkswagen of America'

geeta, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm off to go buy a volkswagen, right now

geeta, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

>just booked tickets for my first ever US trip to NY in April. Fly home on the 9th April.

change your flight dates or hate yourself for the rest of your life

I'm a fan of some of the 90's 'Mix' versions of CW tracks, the 1998 digital version of 'Numbers' is exactly how a new Kraftwerk record should have sounded at that time. Not all of the updates worked, but I enjoyed the way they were reinterpreting the catalog. For the 2004 tour they seemed to regress some of the arrangements to be more faithful to the original versions. It'll be interesting to see how they handle it now that they're doing entire albums.

Might just have to make some of these, but I'm going to miss the first two nights which are the ones I want to see most. Unless word leaks that the 'additional composition' for the first night is a 30 minute long version of 'Elektrisches Roulette' in which case all bets are off

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Awesome. And also rubbish, for I can't attend. But awesome.

Flag post? I hardly knew her! (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

the 'Trans-Europe' night may actually be the most magical from the NYC perspective - one of the things i remember finding really beautiful about the last time i saw kraftwerk in NYC was how diverse the crowd was up front - black, white, 50 yrs old, 18 yrs old, hip-hop, techno - and how mental the crowd went during 'Trans-Europe Express'

i really wish i'd gotten to see Kraftwerk in Detroit

geeta, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

so exciting - but I'm assuming this show will be toured to some extent

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

one of the things i remember finding really beautiful about the last time i saw kraftwerk in NYC was how diverse the crowd was up front - black, white, 50 yrs old, 18 yrs old, hip-hop, techno - and how mental the crowd went during 'Trans-Europe Express'

totally... noticed the same thing when I saw them, people from a really wide range of backgrounds/subculture responding to this universal music from slightly different angles. so great.

Chris S, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

omg would love to see the whole of Radio-Activity live. pretty lol how they've retconned Techno Pop as having come out after all.

zappi, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Omg only $25??? Which one(s) should I get? Can anyone tell me how impossible it'll be to get tickets to this thing?

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just how big is the "Donald B. and Catherine C. Marron Atrium"?

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a big rectangular space with extremely high ceilings, not massive. what i'm sort of concerned about is the sound, but i'm sure kraftwerk is making them upgrade. it's on the 2nd floor of MoMA. where marina abramovic did her daily staring performances, if you remember that.

geeta, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hope it's not one of those things where tickets only go to the people who are lucky enough to refresh the sale page and click everything as quickly as possible at noon

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hope it's not one of those things where tickets only go to the people who are lucky enough to refresh the sale page and click everything as quickly as possible at noon

Welcome to Earth. Have you been here long?

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

not seeing anything about members being able to get tix early.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

are you thinking of going stevie d?

tmi but (Z S), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Welcome to Earth. Have you been here long?

My point was less "shows that sell out in 30 minutes" and more "shows that sell out instantaneously" (e.g. LCD at MSG)

And yeah I am p hellbent on seeing Computer World and/or Techno Pop or maybe Autobahn, gah! Decisions.

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't get this: There is a two-ticket limit per person for the entire series.

nerve_pylon, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

huge demand, low supply, wanting everyone to see at least something?

valleys of your mind (mh), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, sure i get that. it's just unclear... can i order 2 tickets for 2 different nights?

nerve_pylon, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just got an email from MOMA - no tickets held back for members; you gotta get in there at 12 on Tuesday like everybody else.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thursday

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Geeta, seems like an odd place acoustically? Hm.
Stevie, I went to the Showclix site and it does look like you can purchase two tickets only. Huh. "There is a two ticket per person limit for the entire series. Once you have purchased two tickets, you will be unable to purchase tickets for any other Kraftwerk performance."

That is kind of a drag. Oh well. Fingers crossed we can get something. At the very least, we will come for the exhibition at PS1...

Oh, and the tickets go on sale on Wednesday, Feb 22, at 12:00 PM EST.

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 23:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

found this short review i wrote of the last time kraftwerk played NYC, almost exactly seven years ago

http://www.villagevoice.com/2005-05-31/music/be-stiff/

geeta, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, definitely an odd space acoustically! the trend towards big museums underwriting gigs by interesting bands is something i support, but when they stick them in a big open-air atrium or something like that i start to wonder. museums weren't designed for great sound

hammerstein ballroom was definitely a great venue to see kraftwerk--kind of like the warfield in SF

geeta, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 23:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was there at Hammerstein! :D And in DC two nights previously! Uh oh, I am outed as a fan-girl!

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 23:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a kraftwerk fangirl: i have been one since age 13

here's an essay i wrote some years ago, where i talk about being a teenage kraftwerk fan (and other stuff)

http://www.villagevoice.com/2005-02-01/news/i-robot/

geeta, Thursday, 16 February 2012 00:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a kraftwerk fangirl

i agree, vigorously

tmi but (Z S), Thursday, 16 February 2012 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

yea, I was at that hammerstein show too. everyone cheering during the 'chernobyl, hiroshima, etc.' into to 'radioactivity' was o_O

seriously great show tho. one of the best I've seen.

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 16 February 2012 05:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I saw them at the Manchester Velodrome a couple of years back, one of the best gigs I've ever seen; I still get chills just thinking about the opening, "The Man Machine", with that arpeggio and then thunderous bass and the crowd going *completely fucking nuts* as they were revealed. That run of shows at MOMA looks epic.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Thursday, 16 February 2012 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorry, the tix time is noon ET on next Wednesday

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 February 2012 12:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^That's where the real-life cyclists came on the Velodrome track during "Tour de France", right? Saw it on youtube, amazing!
Saw them in '04, so so great. Would love to be able to see the 3d show. A friend told me he read tweets suggesting they'd do a similar run at Tate Modern/London. Does anyone know more?
xpost

willem, Thursday, 16 February 2012 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

They were pretty awesome when I saw them a few years back, too. Great light show, great sound. Want to say I saw Massive Attack the same year at the same venue, and the shows were oddly analogous in terms of quality and surprise entertainment value.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 February 2012 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

They were pretty awesome when I saw them a few years back, too. Great light show, great sound.

saw them in '07 - don't remember anything about the light show but I have never and I mean never heard better live sound

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 16 February 2012 13:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

just wanna +1 all these comments

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 16 February 2012 14:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

God, I'm really really worried there will be absolutely no way for me to get tickets to these

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 16 February 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

('08 I mean, having re-read the thread - xp to me)

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 16 February 2012 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

New song up on youtube under the klingklang account. Sounds an awful lot like the last album. Maybe there will be another night at nyc, to debut the new album? *jozz in my pants*

Xerox of Fate, Thursday, 16 February 2012 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

link plz!!

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 16 February 2012 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

A friend told me he read tweets suggesting they'd do a similar run at Tate Modern/London. Does anyone know more?

― willem, Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:48 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lots of people are requesting it. The source of the rumours seems to be this tweet by these guys, who I've never heard of.

It's some serious getting-hopes-up stuff though.

Flag post? I hardly knew her! (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

think I'm gonna take a shot at Man-Machine and maybe Computer World (on the theory that Trans-Europe Express will be the most popular ticket)

dmr, Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^man machine is their best anyway.

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

but i'll be out of town for that one :-/

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really re: TEE being most popular? It seems like it'd be CW and Man Machine by a long shot, followed by TEE and Autobahn, and then Radioactivity, Techno Pop, The Mix, and TDF being way behind

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

TEE is the first one I bought bc of its heavy status w critics. but I'm not sure if that proves much of anything.

holding out for ralf & florian night btw.

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd see 3-way tie between CW, M-M and TEE, then the rest. I would kill to attend ANY of these shows btw

tmi but (Z S), Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

xposts
Lots of people are requesting it. The source of the rumours seems to be this tweet by these guys, who I've never heard of.

Guy from KW mailing list. There were noises about the Tate back at the time of the Munich Lenbachhaus Kunstbau show/concert at Alten Kongresshalle.

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^man machine is their best anyway.

yeah I agree

Really re: TEE being most popular?

I have no idea, just thinking that's their most widely known track because of "Planet Rock" (see post above about black, white, young, old, hip-hop, techno)

dmr, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

i really want to get man-machine but think it will be the most popular/quickest to sell out. it's on my birthday!!! i think techno pop will be my second choice.

bene_gesserit, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

also i dearly wish they were doing ralf und florian, because it's my favorite.

bene_gesserit, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

man, i'm so jealous of the techno pop lovers. try as i might i just can't get into it as heavily as the others

tmi but (Z S), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Would love to see them at Tate Modern or similar in London. I saw them at Tribal Gathering '97. I was in the 'Detroit' tent most of the day but they shut that down for an hour or so because none of the acts (Terrence Parker, Carl Craig, Kevin Saunderson etc.) would play during Kraftwerk. They were late coming on and then.. BOOM!

mmmm, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost I dunno, I can 'get behind' people thinking "we wait all that time, and it's pretty much what we'd expect", but apart from that I can't detect a massive drop in quality.

The kids were doing the 'B-boom-TCK!' after I'd had a KWork splurge in the car, a few years ago.

Mark G, Friday, 17 February 2012 09:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Again - as I said upthread - I cannot imagine this would be the only performance of these shows - it does not seem to make any kind of business sense to rehearse and do the programming for all these songs for just a one-off in a smallish venue.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 17 February 2012 10:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

the entirety of their "business sense" over the last 30 years has been "it interested Ralf at the time" though

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Friday, 17 February 2012 12:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmmm, see, no disrespect to Ralf (and Florian) but I have the feeling that most of their activity in the last 10 years has been somewhat financially driven (which doesn't take anything away to how awesome it's all been)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 17 February 2012 12:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I remember someone once saying that the accent they use on "Autobahn" is 'strong dusseldorf' which is their version of 'brummie'

Which means, to their home nation,

sounds like

Mark G, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

>A friend told me he read tweets suggesting they'd do a similar run at Tate Modern/London.

Wld kiw KW in the turbine hall 4REAL.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

geeta, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

hitler otm

tylerw, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol @ JW

dmr, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

it is hilarious - good work jw

my one pedantic note: there should be an umlaut over the 'u' in 'führer'

geeta, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fuck in already getting way upset about not getting tickets

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i posted the video to twitter

250 new hits in the last hour

geeta, Friday, 17 February 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haha that video is awesome

HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

the whitney declares war on kraftwerk at moma - they're bringing the red krayola april 14

http://whitney.org/Events/TheRedKrayolaPerformance2

geeta, Friday, 17 February 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hm.
http://www.brandingmagazine.com/2012/02/17/volkswagen-america-sponsors-kraftwerk-performance/
"...They will perform selected songs from all of their albums in chronological order featuring 3-D visualization, dubbed Kraftwerk – Retrospective 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8..."

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am going to make a serious attempt to go to one or two of the TEE/M-M/CW shows, hope i get one!

tmi but (Z S), Saturday, 18 February 2012 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hadn't realized they'd been touring a 3D show for a bit now

Brakhage, Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

So wait - "selected songs" = not doing ENTIRE album each night? Why did I think they were doing full albums?

Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 19 February 2012 13:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

None of the albums are that long, they can't possibly be taking stuff out.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 19 February 2012 13:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd be more inclined to believe the MoMA website.

Each evening consists of a live performance and 3-D visualization of one of Kraftwerk's studio albums—Autobahn (1974), Radio-Activity (1975), Trans-Europe Express (1977), The Man-Machine (1978), Computer World (1981), Techno Pop (1986), The Mix (1991), and Tour de France (2003)—in the order of their release. Kraftwerk will follow each evening’s album performance with additional compositions from their catalog, all adapted specifically for this exhibition.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Sunday, 19 February 2012 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I remember someone once saying that the accent they use on "Autobahn" is 'strong dusseldorf' which is their version of 'brummie'

They were posh boys tho, esp. Florian, he's virtually upper class

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I remember someone once saying that the accent they use on "Autobahn" is 'strong dusseldorf'

Yes, that was Billie Ray Martin, who is from Hamburg. She said that Ralf's strong accent makes the song slightly comical to many Germans.

Vast Halo, Sunday, 19 February 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

jw's 'hitler reacts' video on youtube has gone from 600 hits to nearly 15,000 in the past 72 hours

wow

geeta, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

the whitney declares war on kraftwerk at moma - they're bringing the red krayola april 14

http://whitney.org/Events/TheRedKrayolaPerformance2


lol

Can You Please POLL Out Your Window? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

more info on the Kraftwerk concerts at MoMA: i'm told that the capacity of the space is under 1000 people

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 00:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to be at a computer come noon tomorrow hoping to score tickets, though I won't be surprised if I don't. Worth a try, though.

Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

hv had complaints that Hitler shd be complaining about them not doing first 3 albums

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, he was an Organisation fan

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 07:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

a Red Krayola that only has Mayo Thompson might be more worth seeing than a Kraftwerk that only has Ralf Hütter.

Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 07:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am pretty sad that they're not doing ralf & florian

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean, not actually sad, but that would be cool.

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

ralf und florian is my favourite,the only one i own,but yeah,they're never going to play it are they.tanzmusik is the best song.

zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Who would play the flute?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thay'd have to call the evening "Ralf, aber Florian nichts"

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

at noon today, our collective love of kraftwerk will flip to violent competition as we all rapidly hit refresh

tmi but (Z S), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

best of luck to you all, but i will punch you in the face if i have to

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

guys, i need man-machine, it's on my birthday, i'm so not getting it though am i.

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

If I miss out and someone doesn't take me I will return to the politics threads after Easter.

(j/k, haven't listened to K'werk a ton really)

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's no better time than the present.

it's kind of nerveracking to pick which show to aim for, because if it doesn't work out you know the other shows will sell out while you're hitting refresh and getting the spinny wheel guy.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah feeling stressed already

max, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

was originally thinking TEE but now maybe MM? ahhh or CW???????

max, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want people to go to CW so I can meet them, but I don't want you to get my ticket.

blooooood!

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

dude, Numbers coming out of giant speakers. amazing.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only one planning to gun for Radio-Activity?

Clarke B., Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's probably a smart move. i would consider if it wasn't a wednesday.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would só gun for Radio-Activity. And TEE. But I'm on the wrong continent. Good luck to all you guys!

willem, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

radio-activity is on the same day as pulp :(

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

i feel bad for chickfactor - everyone was all excited for those shows when they were announced but between this and pulp the same week they have had their thunder stolen.

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

god i can't read this thread anymore i am going to have a stroke

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

was originally thinking TEE but now maybe MM? ahhh or CW???????

yeah that's pretty much where I'm at. might try for two out of these three in two different browsers and see how it goes. I think Computer World is my #1 choice.

good luck usa.

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Given the choice I'd go for either The Man Machine or Trans-Europe Express but I dunno, you could probably do worse than settling for The Mix, because at least then you get a load of the hits.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

(Pardon my philistinism for saying so)

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

No hope for 'Exceller' 8 then?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Good luck all!

HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

While you all wait and hit refresh:

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/The_night_Kraftwerk_blitzed_The_Ritz_with_bliss

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

here we go.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5,

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

(o_o;)

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am waiting in the Queue

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

*waits in queue*

max, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah me too

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

same

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

can't get into M-M queue, but i'm in the CW one

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

waiting for transeurope natch
zs, if you're in nyc for this we gotta touch base

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

same here. I'm in for Computer World and TEE queue. locked out on Man-Machine.

just me, you, and 5 zillion other people

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol, not buying tickets, but this is still stressing me out! good luck!

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

srsly abt to have a heart attack over here

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have very little hope honestly.

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

just relax and look at this amazing pic from ned's post above

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

waitwaitwaitonthinternets

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

aaaaand now in queue for radioactivity and autobahn while i'm at it

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have very little hope honestly.

yeah. I got a couple "the site is not responding" high traffic errors first. so it's not like I got in at 12:00 right on the dot.

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm in queue for CW and my friend in the next room is in the mix queue

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya i got a not responding thing too

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i clicked through right at 12 (well five seconds passed) and i got the "tickets dont go on sale until 12 pm" so i had to refresh

max, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm in the TEE, M-M and CW queues now. But I was in the CW queue the at 12:00, so I'm probably higher up for that one.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

FUCKING SPINNING WHEEL, JUST TELL ME IF YOU HAVE TICKETS LEFT OR NOT, FUCK!!!!

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is agonizing

i'm in the queue for 'man-machine', 'trans-europe' and 'radio-activity'

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean a server can handle multiple ticket purchases at once and I feel like there's no way after 11 minutes of ticket purchases there's still shit left

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

uncontrollable violent sobbing and knuckle-biting itt

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

just got tix

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

we're going to get through this.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp no one likes you

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

why am I still queueing did i time out what's going on

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hoping no one else wants to see TdF

lukas, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

getting a big red sign for autobahn now saying SIGNS POINT TO NO

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

im jk btw, prob not a good j

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are currently a large number of people in the virtual waiting line for this event and a very limited number of tickets still available. You may continue to wait here or choose another event

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are currently a large number of people in the virtual waiting line for this event and a very limited number of tickets still available. You may continue to wait here or choose another event.

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I feel like I saw the page refresh. I might be crazy. Still in queue.

lukas, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmmm, i got a big red sign for M-M and TEE but not for CW

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha xpost

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

crushiing agonizing defeat

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

aaaaaand now all of them have that

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

ugh, my page timed out. refreshed and got back in the queue but now I'm seeing that same red box >:-(

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

If anyone gets tickets please just don't talk about it at all ever.

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

still queuing

if i don't get in i'm going to stand in front of MoMA wearing my 'Florian' t-shirt in protest

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

why did they do this

lukas, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

NOOOOOO

ugh, my page timed out. refreshed and got back in the queue but now I'm seeing that same red box >:-(

same

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

let's choose other events

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

figure I will stick it out until I get an official NOPE, NO MORE TIX message

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

sigh

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

dan s. on facebook: "Instead of going to Kraftwerk, I'm going to put two mannequins in the back seat of my car, play Neon Lights on repeat and drive really fast on the BQE. Who's with me?"

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I WORK DOWN THE STREET FROM MOMA why are they not selling tix at the venue fer crissakes

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought they were the next day at noon? no?

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

hitler reacts to waiting in the queue

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

aaaaaaaand the page timed out again

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stevie, you thought they were selling on site at noon? I'm gonna check and find out if that's the case.

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Timed out 4 times for me :(

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Bcz I was sorta prepared to hop on a bus tonight and camp out overnight if so...

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah I got a time-out and now the whole site's down

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

got dropped from trans europe. computer world was the first queue I got on and is still spinning.

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

the dream is over

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

still haven't timed out

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

chances they'll book more shows?

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

now the red message went away

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

red signs gone, 2 spinning wheels

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i did this on my iphone mere minutes after getting above ground from the metro
walked for blocks with phone in my hand. got home.
i am still waiting in the Queue

this is weird

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe the whole thing is an art project

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm back in all 3 queues?!

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

"0 interested in this event" BULLSHIT

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

rrobyn otm

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

at least it's happening at the same time to all us sad sacks

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

we are the robots

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's so nice that they decided to do this at noon so that I could, you know, not have lunch today

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think they rebooted the server circa 12:25, hence all the queue length warnings disappearing on the next refresh.

tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

it'd be nice if they remembered the legendary people who were there at high noon, hitting refresh

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i gotta eat... may have to let this go.

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

it just dropped my last connection

that's all folks

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

this computer world we're all in now kinda sucks, huh

Prince Rebus (donna rouge), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes it does.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

more like KRAFTJERK

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am going to go splurge on SVIIB and Spiritualized tickets now

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i miss the days of camping out all day with other super nerds

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

keep trying! get back in the queue!

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Facebook comment: "Guys, they just stand there."

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha.

more timeouts. also getting hungry.

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

nothing but spinning wheels on this end

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

lunch is being served at work and i feel like i need to stay in front of the cmoputer

max, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: camping tho, kinda funny in that the thread's become the virtual that

tomorrow, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

kraftwerk non-fans I went to the last nyc show with: "they just stood there... but it was AWESOME"

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah guys the only thing that will actually screw up your spot in the queue is deleting your browser cookies, there's a separate session cookie for each show so if your connection drops and you reload the page you should be in the spot you had all along

tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

buddy finally got a "show is sold out" for autobahn after having a reservation for that half hour

tomorrow, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

someone else on my FB says they got all the way through to selecting tickets for CW and filling out a captcha before the connection got dropped

I'm done w/ it, good luck dudes

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost i want that to be true, so so badly

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

robin is telling me she got through but is jamming the buy tix button to no avail

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man i would actually cry I think if that happened

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm so thirsty and i have to the bathroom, also very very hungry

i'm dying here

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

randomcoder @randcode
@showclix maybe your engineers should work on the issue of the captcha not showing, instead of taunting twitter. #kraftwerk #servicefailure

queequeg (peter grasswich), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, this event is sold out.

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

they must have sold all the tickets by now. this is cruel.

lukas, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

just timed out of CW for the second time.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

which one sold out Alan?

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

a friend of mine used the phone and got tix to computer world 20 minute ago
the phone!!
but everything is a queue no matter what. but still.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

autobahn x-post to zs

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am looking forward to the in-queue show

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

what?! It said it was online only on the moma website!!

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i didn't know there was a phone option! fuck, i would have been on the phone!

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know! that's why i didn't phone!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

nevermind me steve, just being annoyed
i think rrrobyn means smartphone not calling

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wish these were just big free outdoor shows as all shows of this proportion should be in nyc imo

xp

no i mean calling, on the phone, with a voice

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh, that's wild

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh no forks that was an xp to rrrobyn

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

still some hope for radio-activity via someone else but outlook not so good. I'm gonna wash my disappointment down with an itallian lunch special. good luck all.

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

why does there have to be no god all of the time

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

TEE circle still goin'

I used to stand in line on the morning of sale, and the bands played real instruments too.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

robin's telling me she timed out while she was rushing to put in her credit card number

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

the cruelties of this are many and varied

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i'm back in the TEE and CW queue, apparently. fuck, i just want a resolution here.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

we have so much confusion

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm just in the TEE queue
this is making me feel kind of silly but oh well

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

my boss is still apparently reserved for trans-europe, keeps having to enter captchas

tomorrow, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i've been "Checking Captcha..." for about 15 mins. now

nerve_pylon, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's some captcha, that Captcha-22

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm back with the big red box

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

same.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

"All tickets for all Kraftwerk performances are either being held by other users while they're being purchased or completely sold-out. If those ticket buyers that have reserved tickets do not complete their reservation, those tickets will become available for purchase again within a few minutes."

tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^ new big red box

tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

apparently 'techno pop' is 100% sold out now

i fear for the others

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yo, fuck the past hour and seven minutes of my life

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

o well back to work

tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

sigh, nothing

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

showclix on twitter

https://twitter.com/#!/showclix

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't remember to try for this until around 12:15, so obviously nothing on my end either. We could all maybe have a Kraftwerk commiseration party?

Virginia Plain, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

there were 50,000 simultaneous connections to the ticket site at around 12:15 apparently

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

this whole experience was, as Mayor Bloomberg wd say, "very cute"

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

queuing endless

endless endless

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

have we all learned nothing from 77 Boadrums. never 4get.

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

hahaa

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am covering this as press - i may get in that way, though they are strictly limiting press as well

spoke to the moma press department this morning - they say they have been inundated with press requests - as you can imagine, every blogger/magazine/newspaper in NYC wants to be on the list for this

capacity is quite a bit below 1000

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

i will be in NYC anyway the week of April 11, so a Kraftwerk commiseration party sounds like a plan!!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sorry - but since there was such high demand and a limited number of tickets available - this event has sold out! We wish there was more inventory available, but space was very limited. We appreciate your understanding. Thank you!

TEE

:(

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i am trying to get press tickets too, they are friendly but when i emailed last week the guy was like "hey, you could always try your luck next week"

max, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

aw, TEE sold out and i did not win despite being in queue at 12:00:30 :(
xp
:(

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

TEE HEE

( -- ( .) - ( .) / (am0n), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tried for radio-activity and failed

( -- ( .) - ( .) / (am0n), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

according to Showclix on twitter, all 8 kraftwerk shows are now sold out

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i figured this would be a 'limited press only' event, yeah, like music editors of high-profile print only, but one never knows, sometimes...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am kind of sad tbh

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, I think we will still come up for the show at PS 1.

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

have we all learned nothing from 77 Boadrums. never 4get.

well, I had.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes i will go to that in lieu
xp

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have never been to PS1 anyway!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

everyone i think i'll have a commiseration/bday party on friday the 13th.

i'll always have my PULP coup of orch row b tickets to hold on to.

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

:)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

What's the PS1 thing? Won't that be inundated as well?

Virginia Plain, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

now I have an extra $25-35 to put toward my MLB.TV payment!

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

xxp

"A presentation of Kraftwerk’s historical audio and visual material is on view at MoMA PS1, April 10–May 14, 2012."

Sort of curious about it. Nothing on their site yet though.

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I got into Radio-Activity. I did it. Oh my God. I feel like I survived a nuclear winter.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah it says at the bottom of their press release and on most website articles talking abt the shows, it says:
Kraftwerk at MoMA PS1
As part of Kraftwerk–Retrospective 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8, a presentation of Kraftwerk’s historical audio and visual material will be on view in the new MoMA PS1 Performance Dome at MoMA PS1, from April 10-May 14, 2012.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

congrats!
xp

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

scalpers, already - look at those prices!

http://www.tonsoftickets.com/ResultsTicket.php?evtid=1834084

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i could kill a thousand scalpers with a hatchet and not lose a night's sleep

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

a friend managed 30 tickets via a command line script

(passing on to friends not scalping tho)

fauxmarc, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hate your friend

i though these were impossible to scalp since they are will call and you need a valid id though?

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

i also hate your friend, although to be fair, i hate a lot of people this afternoon

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

a friend managed 30 tickets via a command line script

(passing on to friends not scalping tho)

― fauxmarc, Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:48 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

weak

max, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorry but I hope your friend can't use them because of the ID thing (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a competitive world

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope your friend gets stabbed in the heart by a robber

max, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

isn't it kinda appropriate that robots took all the tickets

iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

fucking robots

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I will go to a Joan Blondell film at MoMA one of those nights and sneak in, ha HA

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was wondering if it would be possible to hide out overnight, mixed-up files of mrs. basil e. frankweiler style

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i bet if you had a good enough novelty costume you could walk right in. people would just assume you were good to go.

Z S, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow, what a tremendously fucked-up thing to do. How would the ticket company not catch that?

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah cuz that's never happened before

fauxmarc, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

fauxmarc's friend is the reason we can't have nice things

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

isn't it kinda appropriate that robots took all the tickets

― iatee, Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:58 PM (31 minutes ago)

I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

seriously though, protip free of charge: don't go onto a thread full of people that tried and failed to get one ticket so you can str8 brag about the friend that cheated the system to get 30 tickets

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

...or they'll cry

fauxmarc, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

its just kind of a dick move tbrr

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

why do you hate robots so much

iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is shit, sorry for you guys.
A big YAY for Clarke B's Radio-Activity ticket though!

willem, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Morbs' hiding in the bathroom of the Titus strategy OTM

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

brilliant!

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

For the record, I was not one of Fauxmarc's dickfriend's 30 robot recipients! My girlfriend logged on right at noon (I had to be away from my computer) and got us tix after a long wait, and being kicked off like twice... I couldn't believe it, and the shock deepens as I keep discovering just how many people tried and didn't get them. Sorry for everyone, and I wish my apartment was big enough to house you all for the big Kraftwerk LP listening party I'm throwing for my "IRL" pals that weekend (none of whom got in either).

Clarke B., Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

When I rule the world I will outlaw online bookings and make people wait in line at the box office for tickets. This is the only system that even begins to make sense. I remember when ppl used to camp outside box offices for 24 hours to be in line for Springsteen and U2 tickets, if you were prepared to do that you got your tickets. Obviously it would mean that people who can't get to the box office would lose out but I think something has to give.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

tickets should just be auctioned

iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

artists would make more money

iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

people camp out in front of the apple store to buy iphones - but not for concert tickets. welcome to the future

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Anagram, I totally agree. People should have to sweat a little for the really difficult-to-get tickets. I hope the Iron Maiden shows in May don't have the same ridiculous crunch/failure rate--although given that they're playing small arenas, I doubt that...

Clarke B., Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

iron maiden at MoMA = urgent and key

geeta, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

apple creates reasons for people to camp out so it'll get on the news. some random show isn't gonna get media attention if some people are camping out all night, so it'd just be meaningless inconvenience.

iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

tempted to call BS on the 30 ticket story

or if true, good luck rolling up to the will call to claim those

dmr, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know at least a few majordomo music types who are lamenting on facebook that they couldn't score either

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty sure the 30 ticket story is bs...have heard it repeated across the web but no one has any details

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

more like fauxfauxmarc

max, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

if it's true there's no way the person won't get caught since they are blabbing so much about it...so at least there's that.

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

but how do you prosecute a robot?

iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

metal detector at the door?

bene_gesserit, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

lmao at "courtrooms of the future"

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost -- I love that weird looming judge image.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

totally.

VR goggles are killing me.

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

judge has two light sabers with which he weighs the scales of justice

( -- ( .) - ( .) / (am0n), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol @ You are waiting in the Queue youtube
tho a sad lol

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

not least bc i was trying for TEE too

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

moving on!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

moving on on on on the autobahn

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I now know one person IRL who got tickets so I guess I have to believe there was actually a sale today

dmr, Thursday, 23 February 2012 02:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

before that I wasn't sure

dmr, Thursday, 23 February 2012 02:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

idgi

WANTED: Kraftwerk 4/13 or 4/14 - $500 (Midtown)

Date: 2012-02-22, 6:41PM EST
Reply to: 5qjpd-2865651✧✧✧@s✧✧✧.craigsl✧✧✧.o✧✧ [Errors when replying to ads?]

I am looking for two tickets to either computer world or the man machine -- willing to pay $500 EA for these tickets.

Location: Midtown
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 2865651938

popcorn (get bent), Thursday, 23 February 2012 02:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh man I can't wait for the internet shitshow if that craigslist post turns out to be real.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 23 February 2012 03:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

i really hope it's true

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 05:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I got 2 for the Radioactivity show, not sure how that happened.

kwhitehead, Thursday, 23 February 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

So apparently the ShowClix CEO posted a letter of apology about yesterday here. As everyone is reading it, it's also down as well. There's just a 404 note and this image and caption instead:

We looked, but couldn't find the page or file you requested on our servers. Our engineers are rather bright people, too, so we're not really sure how this could've happened. Sorry about that! Let us know if you continue to find yourself here.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's here, too

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a fair mea culpa but a little hollow

little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow, that's v likely the most sincere/informative/responsibility-taking apology letter I've ever read from a company tbh

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

i agree with stevie d

Z S, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

still bummed, though :(

Z S, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

For you, ZS!
http://www.vwgifaway.com/
DO IT NOW!

Mayan Calendar Deren (doo dah), Monday, 12 March 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

:O

just sayin, Monday, 12 March 2012 20:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

i almost fell out of my chair! holy shit!!

1986 Olive Garden (Z S), Monday, 12 March 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait a second..

"Increase your odds of seeing Kraftwerk at MoMA. Create an animated GIF from one of these sites."

the link points to a google search for "animated gif online". does that mean i have to use a crappy automatic gif maker? can't i just use photoshop?

1986 Olive Garden (Z S), Monday, 12 March 2012 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

aw man, and it doesn't even matter if the animation is good or not.the quality of the gif doesn't matter.

The official rules say "GIFs will not be judged", and then go on to talk about a random drawing for the winners. All that submitting a gif gets you is 2 chances to win instead of 1, essentially.
So you could submit a flashing text gif that says "KRAFTWERK" and it counts as much as a 400-frame epic journey through the pulsating electronic veins of Ralf & Florian, basically.

1986 Olive Garden (Z S), Monday, 12 March 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh well, made this anyway

1986 Olive Garden (Z S), Monday, 12 March 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

A+

tylerw, Monday, 12 March 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

alright, I've officially given it the ol' college try

1986 Olive Garden (Z S), Monday, 12 March 2012 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Weird, I guess the gallery of images is at the bottom of the link above (http://www.vwgifaway.com/). One of mine just showed up there (a really crappy text one I barfed out in a few minutes). But so far it's the only one that's related to Kraftwerk whatsoever?

1986 Olive Garden (Z S), Monday, 12 March 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

ur awesome dude. take me if you get tix.

Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

sweet, thanks, ned!

tylerw, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

uh DJ Food has been one bloke for the last 11 years, and these were done annual-ish-ly from 2004, and have been online for free download since 2006

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just found a copy of "Radio-Activity" at a horrible record store in Philly. Later, while giving it a closer look I discovered it contains the elusive yellow and pink stickers; 16 of them fully intact. Collectible?

kwhitehead, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

What?? Which record store? How much?

Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

You better not say Repo or we will be having words

Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

What?? Which record store? How much?

Long in the Tooth. Dude behind the counter=total asshat.
$10.00

kwhitehead, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mr.(or Mrs.)Repo, again I ask, collectible?

kwhitehead, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aw, thats like 10 blocks from me. I saw an in-store there a month ago but I've never actually shopped there :-( it looked cute!

Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Milton. I was just happy to get a nice vinyl copy, this is a nice bonus.

kwhitehead, Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

My 21 month old daughter asked for Robots tonight. Last weekend we listened to Man Machine a few times but I didn't think she remembered. As soon as I put it on tonight she started dancing. This made me extremely happy.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 22 March 2012 04:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

:D

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 22 March 2012 05:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whoa, I just won TRANS EUROPE EXPRESS tickets from that Volkswagon contest!

C0L1N B..., Saturday, 24 March 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

omg don't even talk to me I cant

Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 24 March 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seriously, same here. I don't even want many things from life, I really don't. I just want to see kraftwerk. Or even just ONE FUCKING guy from kraftwerk. I don't know why this is so difficult to accomplish.

1986 Olive Garden (Z S), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, I say congrats!

Mark G, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, I should have said that too! That's awesome you get to go, and especially to that particular show!

1986 Olive Garden (Z S), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha, thanks! Really didn't expect to win. I'm actually a little worried that the tickets will be revoked because they said they might ask me to sign a release for the .gif, which I don't really have any right to do since I made it with the NYPL Stereogranimator thing with NYPL archive images. I should have thought about for 2 seconds before idly entering the contest, but since they encouraged using generator sites, and most of the images they displayed were obviously in violation of copyright, it didn't occur to me. So we'll see.

C0L1N B..., Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

just sign it and smile

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

It appears, from my ticket confirmation I rec'd yesterday
that there's be some nice merch on sale @ these shows.
Must remember to bring some extra $.

kwhitehead, Saturday, 24 March 2012 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

highly recommended: the "nippon numbers" bootleg. well-recorded document from the Computerworld tour with a surprisingly fast version of "It's More Fun to Compute"

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 5 April 2012 03:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk POX

Heavy Metal Kids 7:53 K4 (live june 12, 1971)
K1 15:38 K4 (live june 12, 1971)
K2 (Ruckzuck) 19:20 K4 (live june 12, 1971)
Ruckstoss-Gondoliere 11:18 Kraftwerk !/2
Autobahn 21:54 Concert Classics (19750520 Denver, Ebbets' Fields)
Mitternacht (Rdioactiv/Showroom) 12:04 19750917 - Live At The Dome, Brighton, Uk
Faust intro - Kometenmelodie 1 & 2 11:39 19760228 - Machine: l´Olympia, Paris
It's more fun to compute 8:02 19810907 - Virtu ex Machina (Live in Tokyo)
Numbers 5:25 19980607 - Live at the Warfield, SF
Airwaves / New Song 11:19 19980607 - Live at the Warfield, SF

― Milton Parker, Monday, March 17, 2008 9:48 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

trying to figure out which two I'd bump for:

The voice of energy / Uranium / Die Sonne Der Mond Die Sterne - 3:51 - 19810703 - Live at the Hammersmith Odeon, London
Pocket Calculator - 9:12 - 19810703 - Live at the Hammersmith Odeon, London

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Milton Parker, Thursday, 5 April 2012 04:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

& the car-breakdown in the 42 minute long version of Autobahn from Leverkusen 1974 is them at their weirdest

Milton Parker, Thursday, 5 April 2012 04:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

did I say "YSI?" after that three years ago?

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 5 April 2012 04:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Easier to find online now than ever

Or the Amsterdam 76 'Europe Endless' when it was a less syncopated techno stomper

Or the 75 version of 'Midnight' which still sounds like 'Kristallo' but turns into an early version of 'Showroom Dummies'

Milton Parker, Thursday, 5 April 2012 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

The last 10 minutes of the Leverkusen gig are a completely unreleased piece which sounds like a collapsing Irish jig, it is hilarious and wonderful

Milton Parker, Thursday, 5 April 2012 04:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I meant to post this version of 'midnight'! Leverkusen again. I like that Leverkusen gig, parts almost sound like Conny is still in the band

Milton Parker, Thursday, 5 April 2012 05:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

1998 tour was much better than the 2004 tour they put on the DVD

The digital pitchfeedback version of Numbers, much better than the recent live versions where they've reverted to samples from the 81 studio recording

One of their 3 new songs, I can see why they didn't put them out but live, they sounded great

About 6:10 into this one it became clear how much basic channel they'd been taking in, Would have been a much better thing to put out instead of expo2000

Milton Parker, Thursday, 5 April 2012 05:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

mp, it's just so easy to buy a ticket to NYC

Dominique, Thursday, 5 April 2012 05:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow, looks like I got a lot of searching to do. I did quite like the 1975 "Concert Classics" (!?) album, which had something called "Klingklang" which sounded a lot more like the land they use on Mr. Rogers Neighborhood when they go into Make-Believe land, it's really goood

still listening to "Nippon Numbers", I just remembered that Ralf kind of starts rapping two-thirds through Autobahn, all the places you can go "Auf Leon auf Madrid auf der Autobahn"...then to "Auf Hongkong auf Tokyo auf der Aero-plane", ha!!

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 5 April 2012 13:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

oof that 42-minute Autobahn is Autobahn-tastic! thx for posting.

tylerw, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

(from right to left)
Aston = Ralf
Marvin = Florian
JB = Wolfgang
Oritsé = Karl

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Friday, 6 April 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aston has that worried look that Ralf sometimes has, while Marvin seems more confident. Oritsé looks the youngest, so he's Karl, which leaves JB as Wolfgang.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Friday, 6 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

already? jeez. from Pithfork:

As part of Kraftwerk's eight-night retrospective New York museum residency this month, the band will release a limited-edition box set of all eight of their albums. 2,000 copies of the set will be sold on the Museum of Modern Art's website, and at gift shops in the Museum of Modern Art in Manhattan and MoMA/PS1 in Queens. It'll include remastered versions of the set released in 2009 (the massive reissue The Catalogue).

are they already dated sounding or something?

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 7 April 2012 00:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love Kraftwerk but this stuff doesn't surprise me. They're in this for the $$ now it seems - much like any other self-respecting band looking to milk their back catalogue with a "reunion tour".

Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 7 April 2012 00:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pitchfork's phrasing is kinda unclear - it's a limited edition, 2000 copies, numbered edition of the Catalogue box in a black sleeve (original was white). I'm a MOMA member, so I bought one - $175 after taxes and shipping.

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 7 April 2012 01:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah this really doesn't look like anything other than the 2009 version

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Saturday, 7 April 2012 07:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can't believe that a band 3/4 comprised of decades-long non-creative employees of Kling Klang Corp are now "in it for the money" *shakes head sadly*

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 7 April 2012 07:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Appalled that the ruthless director of Kling Klang is doing such grossly mercantile things as: diligently learning and rehearsing multiple arrangements of dozens of songs, to be performed once each, for a hugely remunerative audience of approx 10000 payers over a week

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 7 April 2012 07:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

The MoMA set is going up now in the museum

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

My guess is tha number is far far less than 10,000. I would the number is prolly around 3500.

kwhitehead, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

**guess the number is***

kwhitehead, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Looks small:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/7m5lyld

So Efficient! (doo dah), Saturday, 7 April 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'd think if they wanted more money they'd just do more shows, these guys sell out everywhere

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Saturday, 7 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't really think they need more money exactly, do think that they and their fans are obsessive audiophiles

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 7 April 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

The exhibitions at PS1 and not MoMA, right? I think I'll be up to see it next week

Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Set List:
"We Are the Robots"
"Autobahn"
"Kometenmelodie 1 & 2"
"Mitternacht" / "Morgenspaziergang"
"Radioactivity"
"Trans-Europe Express"
"The Model"
"Man-Machine"
"Numbers" / "Computer World"
"Computer Love" (The Mix version)
"Home Computer" (The Mix version)
"Tour de France" / "Aerodynamik"
"Expo 2000"
"Boing Boom Tschak" / "Techno Pop" / "Musique Non-Stop"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/12/arts/music/kraftwerk-retrospective-at-the-museum-of-modern-art-review.html
http://www.spin.com/articles/kraftwerk-invade-moma-residency-byte-museum

Kraftwerk revisited the “Autobahn” album rather than reproducing its exact timbres and proportions. It held on to its instrumental passages and the generally somber melodic lines of the album’s other tracks but played them from a changed perspective — for instance, trading the album’s upbeat hints of 1950s and ’60s rock for something more steady-state. The most transformed track was “Morgenspaziergang” (“Morning Walk”), which in 1974 juxtaposed synthesized burbles and tweets — oscillator birdsong — with its tune played on a wooden flute. Now the tune came from a keyboard, true to the latter-day Kraftwerk.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really, really hope someone is recording these

Xerox of Fate, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

my ex is going tonight; i am not the plus one
:/

boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Got my copy of the box in today's mail. #0052 of 2000.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whoops this one is much better

Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm so curious as to what they'll do to Radio-Activity tonight... It's such a strange and singular record in their catalog. I still cannot believe I'm going!

Clarke B., Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

autobahn & radioactivity were the two I was most interested in going to precisely because they're the ones likely to sound the most different

seriously you guys, if any of you get a lead on even the most sawed-off room recording, drop me a line

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Awesome couple of videos, but the first one demonstrates what it would be like to have a burst eardrum at a Kraftwerk gig.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

milt, if you get one, hook up your old pal Xerox

Xerox of Fate, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

so, my gf won tickets and I'm going to TEE... :-D

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Apparently VW hung onto 25% of the tickets, wtf

Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 12 April 2012 12:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hung onto? That's sponsorship. MoMa and Kraftwerk and VW must have agreed on that, so your wtf should be aimed at all parties.

willem, Thursday, 12 April 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Went last night. Very well done by the MOMA. Ticket pick up was easy, the room wasn't crowded in the least (could have fit at least 100 more folks in there, if they wanted.) Radio-Activity pasrt of the shwo was the highlight (naturally) and they followed it up with a nice lengthy version of Autobahn where, I think, they mixed things up a bit from the original. Trans Europe Express was a standout as well.

Even though it was a great event I can't help thinking that there will probably be an SNL skit making fun of these shows. The teutonic seriousness in which they were presented could easily be seen as comic by some.

kwhitehead, Thursday, 12 April 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorta been done

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 April 2012 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but if any of the SNL writers were there they have some new material to work with.

kwhitehead, Thursday, 12 April 2012 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

The teutonic seriousness in which they were presented could easily be seen as comic by some.

yeah but Kraftwerk have always had a sly comic element to them. "The Robots" is really funny especially when the robots themselves appear onstage

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 12 April 2012 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

koogs, Thursday, 12 April 2012 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brakhage, Thursday, 12 April 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fred Armisen was there last night, so maybe!

prior, Thursday, 12 April 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

One original member. This is like Wings performing the works of the Beatles, with Linda and Denny Laine squeezed into John and George's old Beatles suits.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'd argue that Kraftwerk and the Beatles have kinda different aesthetics at play

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

At this point they're essentially a tribute band to themselves ... which could only really work with them. They are machines after all. I would bet Ralf has plans to have himself replaced in the band eventually.

Brakhage, Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can deal with the absence of Bartos and Flur but it's really not the same without Schneider, who I always thought was the soul of Kraftwerk. That ghost of a half-smile that he always carried was synecdoche for the sly humour I referred to above.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Totally agree. Without Schneider it's not Kraftwerk. And Bartos and Flur are under-appreciated I think - after all, both were in the band for 15 years. Schneider and Hutter have done practically nothing without them.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's basically OTM, it's always been about Hutter and Schneider for me, though I'm reasonably certain that Bartos is responsible for a lot of their more brilliant melodic stuff, hence why I don't think new music coming out of these guys is going to sound like their glory years

but in a performance...ehhh, no biggie

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah impression I got was that Techno Pop was really the last gasp, since Bartos wrote the catchy melodies. Once he was gone there's only increasing production values. What Ralf can manage now is to tour a greatest-hits show in perpetuity - which I think is a bit sad when you consider that there are tons of younger people who would love to write pop material in a Kraftwerk style. Ralf doesn't have to be the sole writer in the band (along with his manager). But this is all just hope since I would love to have a new record that's better than Soundtracks.

I say all this but I'm still really excited about soundboard from these leaking!

Brakhage, Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are tons of younger people who would love to write pop material in a Kraftwerk style.

yes there are, and plenty of them have released stuff too, but IMO what Kraftwerk did at their peak isn't easy at all to replicate

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just saying that Ralf doesn't have to do it all himself. A vague hope really, I know it's impossible to capture some past glory

Brakhage, Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

the other thing, which I'm sure has been discussed upthread, is that the departure of Bartos and Flur more or less coincided with their live sets losing the elements of improvisation that they used to have and basically becoming reproductions of the records. there are bootlegs from 1981 and earlier that veer far away from the studio versions. this would also coincide with the stage set being reduced to laptops/workstations rather than keyboards.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Flur was the techhead who was largely responsible for designing and constructing their studio gear and stage equipment. Apart from facilitating the recording of these albums, the aesthetic that he created is a massive part of the band's reputation.

I was never too comfortable with the post-1990 idea that Kraftwerk=Ralf, Florian and two goons in costumes but went along with it as the concerts were still good. But as decades passed by without almost nothing new creatively it became obvious that Kraftwerk were, and always will be, the four members from the classic line-up.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

some great footage here (incl. the band dancing) and a recent interview with Flur:

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

xxpost - this is a good point, and it's interesting that a lot of times, the mid-70s albums actually sound like a live band - Radioactivity, side two of Autobahn and chunks of TEE for example. But later they got stuck in the "robot"-schtick, which they really did not acquire till late in their career. But it excused a lot of things, such as replacing members, not playing live at concerts, and using machine-like "perfectionism" as an excuse for what was really procrastination or lack of creative inspiration over the last 25 years.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, I feel like there's some revisionist history going on with these guys, but really, how concerned with music do you feel Ralf has been the last three decades? you've got Electric Cafe in 1986, a self-remix album in 1991, a single in 2000, Tour de France Soundtracks in 2003, then a live album in 2005. I mean I don't think Kraftwerk has really been a big priority for the guy for a while has it?

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep, cycling is what he really cares about these days

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 12 April 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm really surprised at the universal boner regarding these shows. If they want to blow my mind ever again it would look something like Ralf playing (actually PLAYING) a keyboard, Florian on the flute and performing something (anything!) new. Accompanied with an excellent drummer. And wearing normal clothes.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 19:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

those boners are justified - as "unexciting" as their live shows are, hearing the music played on those huge speakers w/ the video backdrops is really something

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

The music will always be good. But it was done better, decades ago. Here we have a 66 year old man on a stage squeezed into a luminous suit accompanied by three actors pretending to replicate the work of others. If people can convince themselves that it's worth it then who am I to contradict them. But really, it's bullshit.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

At least when Sir Paul does his Beatles medleys, his band are not miming, nor are they dressed as the Beatles.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

And it's really saying something when you cash-in on your legacy more cynically than Paul McCartney does.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

a) kraftwerk > beatles
b) it sounds like you've never seen them live

Milton Parker, Thursday, 12 April 2012 19:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Beatles, no. Kraftwerk, yes.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

as these live shows are literally designed as a museum piece, I think they're somewhat immune to most traditional forms of criticism

at the end of 1998 SF show at the Warfield, after the third encore, people applauded for nearly 15 minutes, pretty much at full blast; despite nearly everyone knowing that there was no more material for them to play, that there was no fourth encore available in the sequencer, people just stood there with all the lights on and cheered, even though they knew it would have been out of character for them to reappear for one bow. I don't ever expect to see an audience response that devoted on that scale ever again.

2004 show was markedly less amazing and diluted by Soundtracks songs, and you could kind of tell Florian was not as into it. and I do hear you; this is not even close they were when they were a genuine live band from 70-81, critical things have gone missing and it's not really true Kraftwerk without Florian. but the concept being presented here is beyond the individuals, so it's very difficult for me to feel too cynical about this

Milton Parker, Thursday, 12 April 2012 19:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

& from what I've seen of the moma / 2011 3D-era youtubes so far; the visuals have really come into their own with this tour, they were good in 98, but Stefan Pfaffe deserves to be one of the four guys onstage:

and at risk of coming off as a completely undiscriminating fanboy, but I like aspects of the Hilpert-era retools; the breakdown at 3:34 is better than the Mix or the 2004 tour version of 'Radioactivity'. and you can tell it's Ralf playing the faux-Orchestron pad on the outro. I prefer the original, but for me it's a good mix of updating while staying intrinsic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=17fTsU2wYpA

Milton Parker, Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Isn't Hilpert responsible for The Mix version also?

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well when I saw them the part that got the most applause was when the robots came out. I see where you're coming from everything but recent Kraftwerk performances aren't really about the people in the band. I mean, it's not even clear what any of them actually do anymore.

If we're complimenting the new lineup, let me just point out that it really is incredible what they've done to "Musique Nonstop" and the "Tour de France Etapes", which sound way better live now than they ever did on the albums.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

These full album shows feel like the end of the line for them as a live band. It's hard to see where they'll go after this. If they go back to sporadically doing greatest-hits sets afterwards I can't see the enthusiasm being very high. Although I'd definitely go if there was a (highly unlikely) mass hatchet burying and we got a tour from Hütter/Schneider/Flür/Bartos. And it would probably sound exactly the same as the sets they're playing now.

Position Position, Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

or, surprise 9th show debuting new album

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

what's the actual beef between ralf und florian anyway?

tylerw, Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

as far as I know, Florian just got bored with it all? (plus, he's nearing retirement age) Bartos left for the same reasons (basically, slow work ethic). I can see those two rejoining. Flur seems to have left under more dubious circumstances.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

>Isn't Hilpert responsible for The Mix version also?

yes, but they keep tweaking it: in '98 they played the Mix version, in '04 they reverted to a version closer to the original studio arrangement but still with the Sellafield samples, and this '12 version adds a new dubby breakdown to the '04 take

new visuals for Metal On Metal

Milton Parker, Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

or, surprise 9th show debuting new album

I like the idea of Kraftwerk going on the road to test out new material. Ralf: "We're just doing it to iron out the kinks lads, see how the audience responds, feel out what works and what doesn't. If we get really stuck we'll stick in a few covers. Louie Louie anyone?"

I'm sure I read somewhere that one of their robots used to hold a calculator up to its teeth, 'playing' it Hendrix style. Although I may have just imagined it.

Position Position, Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can testify that Florian played the calculator behind his head Hendrix style on The Mix tour in 1991.

Flur left for more or less the same reasons as Bartos: fuck all was happening. But he got pretty bitter about the subsequent redefinition of Kraftwerk=Ralf+Florian+ two grannies on bongos. His book has some interesting moments but gets pretty boring. Should have been seriously edited to omit his post-Kraftwerk career and eliminate some of the bitterness.

everything, Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Gonna start by replying a bit to everything (the username everything, not, like, everything) here, and then waffle drunkenly off into space (so everything, this is not really a reply to your post, even if I use it as a launching pad):

Flur was the techhead who was largely responsible for designing and constructing their studio gear and stage equipment. Apart from facilitating the recording of these albums, the aesthetic that he created is a massive part of the band's reputation.

Yeah, there is a thing here. In the same vein, Ralf & Florian were early in seriously ~thinking~ and ~working~ with sound as an abstract scientific object (eg not necessarily tied to known instruments) for popular usage (which eg contemporary-composition people didn't at the time coz that would obv be totalitarian /adorno). It's like, early days of a technology, what do you do if you have a deep understanding of the scientific acoustical domain? Experiment a bit (which they did), release something (which they did), and plus obv also get some engineering whizkid who astound you by soldering wires to your drumsticks and covering your drums with tinfoil, thus taking it from interesting to awesome.

But the Kraftwerk conundrum/problem: Once the world went from analogue to digital, they *became* like everyone else. This was, I'm afraid, inevitable on principle, at least seen from now. Given that music/media is delivered digitally to consumers, there is -- on principle at least -- *no way* that superior analogue soundcraft can trump trivial programming skills. To be a pest: *anyone* can trivially write a computer programme to reproduce the contents of an analoguely generated but digitally distributed .wav file; even the greatest synthesizer/woodwind/tinfoilengineer can't craft machinery to reproduce any digital sound thrown at them. Yah, I'm close to being unreasonably tautological here I know, but still.

Innovation, and even more importantly creativity, was shifted into the abstract domain of algorithms rather than mechanics to manipulate sound. (I'll take for granted that stuff like "making catchy tunes" is pretty much constant through time). But given their undoubted expertise, why could not Kraftwerk stay at the forefront of this? Because computers (ie the haha means of production) became cheap. A major reason KW were at the forefront for many many years was that their shit was *fucking expensive*.

Right, back to everything:

I was never too comfortable with the post-1990 idea that Kraftwerk=Ralf, Florian and two goons in costumes but went along with it as the concerts were still good. But as decades passed by without almost nothing new creatively it became obvious that Kraftwerk were, and always will be, the four members from the classic line-up.

The Big Four is my mental picture of Kraftwerk. I love the phrase "two goons in costumes", it is fair. After the age of Karl and Wolfgang, Florian was kinda my man left in the group due to his wicked smile at underleg pocket calculator shenanigans. I'm thinking I should go back some day and listen to pre-Autobahn KW, but it seems I never do. Even though "three goons in costumes" seems even worse, I urge anyone to continue posting those current youtubes of the MOMA stuff, I can't kick it completely it seems... :)

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I guess another thing about KW and the discussion above is that I've really, really never seen them in my head as being a "live band". But then, I never do that about any band actually -- I'm somewhat Geirish here probably, feeling live performances are somehow poor simulacra of the real thing ie recorded sound which is the Only Thing That Counts haha.)

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am down for gabbing about this all day (and want to apologize to everything for challenging him about not seeing them live, it's clear you're a pretty devoted student of the history)

I think a great deal of the criticism being levelled at them is due to the fact that in the 70's, they actually were a particularly incredible live band. Occasional tracks would use a rhythm box, a simple sequencer, or a brief vocodered pre-recording, but frequently every single sound you heard was hand-triggered. Kraftwerk challenged the idea of this music being 'studio-only' every time they toured, and like any live band you can hear them breaking in versions of the next album's material on each tour.

So I can totally relate to the disappointment of Everything at the current museum incarnation, even if I myself think it's fascinating

Milton Parker, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh everything, the Flür book: It is chock-full of unseemly griping, but I'd recommend it to any KW fan for History, ifn't anything else.

A favourite part (I paraphrase obv, and also it's been years since I read it): "and after the release of this record released in the middle of the seventies, we had a party where there was champagne and dancing and fun and a sex movie shown by the miracle of super-8 on the wall in the bathroom in the hotel room."

Apparently about 30 years later, the *real* Kraftwerk (ie Ralf) tried to EXPURGATE the sex movie bit from the book by LAWYERS bcz porn was then extremely unpoliticallycorrect. Can't have that haha!

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost

as far as the 'liveness' of the current incarnation, here's a good 2005 youtube of 'Music Non Stop' taken from a balcony, zooming in on each of their consoles to show what their hands are doing during each of their solos. that blip at 0:05, shockingly improvised

Milton Parker, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

those were the days:

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think a great deal of the criticism being levelled at them is due to the fact that in the 70's, they actually were a particularly incredible live band.

I'm sorry Milton, but I'm pretty sure that for about everyone who's ever heard about Kraftwerk, listened to Kraftwerk, loved Kraftwerk, hated Kraftwerk, this is not a thing at all. What kind of live band they were in the 70s? That can hardly be a Thing, I'm sure?

Their records, and their records alone, is why they are all-time in the first place, that is obvious, surely? If you disagree -- ask around here on ILM, a circuit than which I challenge you to find another informal group more knowledgeable and judicious -- if you manage this, I might yield.

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 12 April 2012 23:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

(getting more geirian by the minute; kraftwerk will do that to ya)

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 12 April 2012 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

o wait MP you saying you actually SAW kw in the flute-age live in the 70s? :-000

wd of course have same memories if possible, but is not.

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 12 April 2012 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

(also I think the boing/musique/teeechnopop triptych LP side is way underratedest @ canon so to speak)

anatol_merklich, Friday, 13 April 2012 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

some great footage here (incl. the band dancing) and a recent interview with Flur:

whoa, really enjoyed that

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 13 April 2012 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have listened to far more live recordings of 70s Kraftwerk than I have KW albums

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 13 April 2012 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

any good recordings out there? (lots of bootlegs mentioned upthread, but most I heard were pretty skeevy sound quality)

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 13 April 2012 00:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

>Their records, and their records alone, is why they are all-time in the first place, that is obvious, surely?

No, I think there's a real argument to be made for the fact that they toured these albums as a very live band. I think people who came to those shows with any pre-conceptions of electronic music being a studio-only thing had those pre-conceptions erased.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/krautwerk-satisfies-ticketless-kraftwerk-fans-in-brooklyn-20120411

The night's headliner was billed as Free Kitten(esque), which was the first performance in years by Kim Gordon and Julie Cafritz's Free Kitten, minus Yoshimi P-We but with the addition of Magick Markers' Pete Nolan on drums. They delivered a thumping, synth-free version of "Heavy Metal Kids," a radio session-only tune, that will not be playing at MoMA this week. Playing a song that only the most ardent fans would recognize was a fitting end to a show crafted by fans for fans.

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 April 2012 00:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

when you cash-in on your legacy more cynically than Paul McCartney does.

― everything, Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:33 PM (4 hours ago)

McCartney hardly played any Beatles material for a long time afterward. Don't know how the incorporation of it into his live shows has been "cynical." Or anything he's done re. the Beatles, really. That strikes me as a cheap shot - and inaccurate.

timellison, Friday, 13 April 2012 00:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd agree with Tim there

many of my favorite bootlegs are fairly lo-fi room recordings, but here are some of the ones that are radio / TV or at least mix the board in a bit with the room:

K4 - (live june 12, 1971)
!/2 - (compilation of WDR TV performances) - these first two are mostly Kraftneu, more Krautrock than not
19750520 - Concert Classics
19760228 - Somewhere In Europe
19810907 - Virtu ex Machina aka Nippon Numbers
19980607 - Warfield San Francisco (this is just barely a board recording, but it does have at least a bit of bass, some people prefer the Tribal Gathering boot anyway for energy)

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 April 2012 00:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the recommendations Milton - these are great

Brakhage, Friday, 13 April 2012 01:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i've been obsessed with that boot, the version of "Autobahn" is really cool

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 13 April 2012 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I agree, this is fantastic

Brakhage, Friday, 13 April 2012 01:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whew. Lot's to wade through here but the idea of these shows as more of a museum piece is dead on correct. Seeing last night's show 8 can attest to it. It's the whole package, the setting, the presentation, the concept. Unless you were there it's pretty tough to get the entire feeling of the proceedings. And as much as I would have loved seeing them jamming "Ruckzuck" in 1971, the Radio-Activity show was special in it's own way. Just wish it had been a tad bit louder.

kwhitehead, Friday, 13 April 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah those wonderful Tokyo recordings really show how different they sound nowadays, if you listen back to back with say, the "minimum-maximum" versions.

Re. bootlegs, one show I was at was the Glasgow show in Nov 1991 and there is an audio boot of it out there. However, there was a big deal at the time of how the show was being transmitted via the internet to, IIRC, two or three European cities - maybe Paris and somewhere in Germany. This was pretty groundbreaking at the time. I can't really remember the details very clearly though. There were crowds at these cities who had paid to watch the show in real time and I think we were shown live pictures of the other audiences during the show (I might be imagining that). Anyway, this makes me think that there must be video of that show somewhere. Anyone know anything about that?

everything, Friday, 13 April 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

can anyone hook a dude up with the WDR TV bootleg? i know i've seen a lot of this on youtube, but would like to get the audio...

tylerw, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

ol' Franny's a Kraftwerk fan? *makes high pitched nasal sound*

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 13 April 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

first 'Europe Endless' since 1976 (or perhaps 1981)

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

and they pretty much cloned it. except for Ralf's characteristic occasional stray note.

the other unique songs from TEE posted by user citybug: http://www.youtube.com/user/citybug

Franz Schubert and Endless Endless were left off much like Geiger Counter was in the Radioactivity night.

KRAFTWERK SETLIST 4/11/12
The Robots
Radioactivity
Radioland
Airwaves
Intersmission
News
The Voice Of Energy
Antenna
Radio Stars
Uranium
Transistor
Ohm Sweet Ohm
Autobahn
Trans Europe Express
The Model
The Man-Machine
Numbers
Computer World
Home Computer
Tour de France
Planet Of Visions
Medley: Boing Boom Tschak, Technopop, Musique Non Stop

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2012/04/kraftwerk_playe_1.html

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was the show I wished I could attend the most. would absolutely love to hear "Radioland", "Airwaves", and "Antenna" live. Mostly because they'd never play 'em otherwise!

Franz Schubert and Endless Endless were left off much like Geiger Counter was in the Radioactivity night.

this really sucks - FS is one of the most beautiful things in their whole catalogue

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 13 April 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, that would have been an interesting piece to update. maybe ralf wasn't feeling up to taking that long of a keyboard solo. they also left out the 'Metal On Metal' breakdown in TEE, though they played it the previous night.

'Hall of Mirrors' leads with samples from the studio version. 'Showroom Dummies', also largely cloned. except they end it with a bit of the riff from 'Mitternacht', which is fun as live versions of 'Mitternacht' from 74 & 75 would usually start out with a jam using the riff that turned into 'Showroom Dummies'.

hope someone managed to capture all the other tracks from 'Radioactivity', that was the night with the most songs they've never played live before.

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 April 2012 19:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

>Their records, and their records alone, is why they are all-time in the first place, that is obvious, surely?

No, I think there's a real argument to be made for the fact that they toured these albums as a very live band. I think people who came to those shows with any pre-conceptions of electronic music being a studio-only thing had those pre-conceptions erased.

Fair enough, I guess? Our disagreement here may have to do mostly with location -- Oslo/Norway is an obvious stop for bands of a certain size (and a couple of sizes below) these days with the festivals and all, but even in my living memory it wasn't like that. I've heard legends the Sex Pistols actually played here once in a small room. People are still talking about when Miles Davis played at Sardine's in 1985 or something. The same year, the Waterboys' gig was a highpoint for rock ppl in this country. The Rolling Stones FAMOUSLY played here -- once! -- in 1965, and I'm not sure they ever came back until 1989. The Beatles never played here, certainly not after the Stones did. (OK lame joke.)

And most of the world is backwaters like that, I'd think. Maybe I'll have a look for kw tour schedules of the 70s, but gut feeling is that classic records become classic records because the records are classic, nothing more.

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

they weren't the only touring electronic band, but unlike Tangerine Dream & Klaus Schulze hunched down behind consoles & barely visible behind fog-machines, my friends who saw them in 75 & 81 both mentioned that with Kraftwerk, every sound you heard had a gesture attached to it; you could see what they were playing. in the 70's, even the people who knew what electronic music was thought of it as inherently studio-only; they expected those concerts to be tape playback. But no; two percussionists driving everything, so you can't underestimate the influence of those concerts.

the show still has aspects of live performance, but it's like the difference between a cyclist and a jet pilot

sideways but full-length 'autobahn'

Milton Parker, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aye mp; I'm not saying your take is wrong, just... alien to me somehow. Invoking the live shows of Tangerine Dream and/or K Schulze... maybe *they* played Oslo some time back in the 70s, but I wouldn't bank on it. (I would of course be srsly underage at that time anyway, so ah I dunno...)

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

(liking that last video obv though -- cgi of vw beetle fahrend along like whoosh hurrah! :-D My grandmother finally got a driver's licence at about the age of 60; bought a bright orange beetle. I can still remember the registration number, and the plastic hole pattern in the ceiling inside made me see 3d; the grandmother mentioned rounded 96 just now btw. OK, *now* I'm babbling.)

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

So,

The 12345678 boxset is getting 're-issued' in black box with LP style little sleeves, for twice the price of the existing box.

Just so's you know..

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 08:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's numbered - just 2000 copies!

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Monday, 16 April 2012 09:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

mmm...

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 09:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Indeed.

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Monday, 16 April 2012 10:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

See, you can still get the 'original' box with a full set of mouse-mats and a t-shirt for the same price (if not cheaper) as this new box, off the 'klingklang' site (which doesn't have the new box).

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 10:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, Amazon has it at £64

We shall see....

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 11:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

the old boxset already had LP style little sleeves

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 16 April 2012 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

So, the only difference is the number and the colour of the box?

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 12:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ralf speaks to the NYT. Usual talk of 'we're working all the time ... new album soon'. Still a fun read

Brakhage, Monday, 16 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brakhage, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

that video up there captures the high point of the show for me. Person filming it was, apparently, very near me. Background projections were really something on this one with the 3D specs.

kwhitehead, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

looks like Uranium & Transistor were just straight-up playback of the album, but that's the slowest, most stately 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' ever

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

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hot slag (lukas), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow!

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

*calls her*

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Insult to injury

hot slag (lukas), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, Amazon has it at £64

We shall see....

― Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 11:06 (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Amm See-ing it right nowwwww!!!!!!!

Mark G, Thursday, 19 April 2012 08:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

ARGH"!

Mark G, Thursday, 19 April 2012 09:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

First twenty minutes of the Computer World show: http://soundcloud.com/ryanjonik/kraftwerk-new-york-moma-computer-world

"Computer Love" from this is, as they say, my jam.

Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm sorry, but i'm afraid that "computer love" is my jam. even started a thread about it once. you're gonna have to get another one.

i don't make the rules, i just follow them...

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh wait, i started a thread about the transition from "numbers" to "computer world 2", and how it is the greatest moment of all time. ok, "computer love" can be your jam, then. :)

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Holy shit @ that new Computer Love arrangement - Hütter's been struck by Lindstrøm's "I Feel Space" (who hasn't)..

willem, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

(song starts at 15:08 in that soundcloud link)

willem, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
1 month passes...

added 'fukushima' to the list of failures for the Japan show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWsQgmq-fNs&feature=player_embedded

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

and YMO did a cover version the same night!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w90c3yn4X58&feature=related

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Another round of full-album 3D shows announced in Düsseldorf in January.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 8 November 2012 09:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

hell yes!!

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 8 November 2012 10:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

@ Jimmy Smith in 2002 - Radioactivity IS an undeniable classic

paolo, Thursday, 8 November 2012 12:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

holy shit
http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/music-and-live-performance/kraftwerk-catalogue-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

German electronic music pioneers Kraftwerk play eight live performances in Tate Modern’s Turbine Hall in their first London dates since 2004.

KRAFTWERK - THE CATALOGUE 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 is a chronological exploration of the group’s sonic and visual experiments and presents eight classic master works from across their celebrated repertoire with spectacular 3D visualisations and effects.

Combining sound and images, the performances showcase nearly 40 years of musical and technical innovation, including new improvisations, 3D projections and animation. Commencing with Autobahn, each night covers one of Kraftwerk’s groundbreaking studio albums in full and appear in order of their release — Autobahn (1974), Radio-Activity (1975), Trans Europe Express (1977), The Man-Machine (1978), Computer World (1981), Techno Pop (1986), The Mix (1991) and Tour de France (2003) — alongside additional compositions from their back-catalogue.

Neil S, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

"The Mix" night would be a good, um, mix..

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

aw man, i'd go to all of these Radioactivities

make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Shitting hell that's going to be amazing. And impossible to get tickets for.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

being awake at 7:30 a problem?

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tate website crashing more likely to be the issue I would think.

Neil S, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

tried Dusseldorf without any luck - not sure I should even bother trying for these

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess I missed Techno Pop getting released then, weird

albvivertine, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm thinking 8 shows, probably 10k per show (? or is that a wild over-esitmation?) means a fairly good chance, but we shall see.

Neil S, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

10,000 people in the Turbine Hall??

Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

plus kraftwerk.

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

When I saw PJ Harvey there a few years ago it was a pretty small audience. More like one thousand, I'd guess.

Supposed Former ILM Lurker (WeWantMiles), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess I missed Techno Pop getting released then, weird

Electric Café was reissued under this title in 2009.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

xxp I'm appalling at judging those kind of space capacities, but I think you could get a lot of people in there...

Neil S, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

never forget 02/22/12

RIP my hopes and dreams

depresso (Z S), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's a question of how many people you can safely get in there given the number of exits etc. It's pretty long and very high but not very wide as venues go.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'd guess capacity is probably around 2-2.5 thousand.

jed_, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

Biggest issue will be the sound, no? When I've seen performances there the echo has been appalling because of the high roof.

Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

The 1986 album is "Techno Pop". It's always been "Techno Pop", okay?

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

CASSETTE!

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

no it was supposed to be techno pop, then it was electric café and then it became techno pop

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wow. I really wanna see Autobahn or Trance Europe Express - but most people are gonna go for those first aren't they? I just wanna see Kraftwerk actually. I guess it may be easier to try for later nights - or is that not how the website / booking will work. Tactics, anyone?

kraudive, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

I expect Computer World and The Man Machine would go before Autobahn.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

(cough) Trans.

Anyway, I just really meant - I'm not sure how the site would work. Is it even worth going for the less popular nights? The whole booking system may be busy so I guess I just try for what I really want (with a willing volunteer on another computer trying another night possibly?)

kraudive, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm probably going to go for a few nights, and take what I'm given...

Neil S, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, this is fun

jabba hands, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 08:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Lest we forget (or is it too late already?)

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 08:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

under no illusion but am still enjoying the communal experience of F5 along with 1 million other KW fans

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 08:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk at Tate Modern has just gone on sale and we are experiencing a phenomenal demand for tickets which is affecting our web server.

HOW UNEXPECTED

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 08:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

fucking

kraudive, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 09:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

jabba hands, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 09:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

telephone only

just as well, in a way, the work system is down also.

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 09:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tate FB page a hotbed of frustration

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 09:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I hate buying tickets for in-demand events these days. Stress and disappointment.

Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 09:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

At work, using my phone with a redial rate of roughly once a second, not a sniff :(

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 09:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

what if you just had 'turned up' there this morning?

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 10:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tried this number O2O8 887 8888 after somebody mentioned it on the Tate FB link and got through on my second attempt, in the queue now.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 10:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

ooh...

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 10:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

This from a dude on the Tate FB page.

Just been to the Tate , no tickets on sale there so don't bother going (due to no actual physical tickets). still plenty of digital tickets left though - but only via the phone - keep trying I guess

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 10:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's more fun to compute

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 10:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Conflicting info on the new number, some people say they got tickets some wouldn't be put through, unsure what to do now.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 10:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

ledge, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 10:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Trying to get a connection on the telephone line
You're so close but far away, I call you up all night and day

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 10:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

Got tix for night 2, wasn't allowed to book more than one night.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow! what number? how many redials?

ledge, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

0208 887 8888 is the one I got through on

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's coming through as invalid now.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tried for roughly 2.5 hours on the original number then I saw on FB that people were getting through on the 8888 number and got through right away.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh shit!!! sorry 0207 887 8888 nor 0208

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah, I see what you did there!

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

Reading FB, people seem to have more luck on the 8888 number.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh the irony of computer servers breaking down forcing people to book KW tickets on analogue phones

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

eh? most of these albums were recorded on analogue gear no?

coal, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

No luck on the 8888 number.. getting familiar with the line busy tone...

Moon Fuxx (Jill), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 11:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

come back Ticketmaster, all is forgiven.

Neil S, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 12:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wonder if everyone answering the phone have gone on their lunch break? On hold for 45 minutes and counting.

Moon Fuxx (Jill), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 12:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

got tix for radio-activity after 7 hours of trying the phone numbers and then 45 mins on hold, i feel like a shell of a man. guy on the phone said they still had a few for techno pop, the mix, tour de france.

jabba hands, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

friend got some for Radio-activity too. I had to at least pretend to be doing some work, sadly.

Neil S, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

radio6 just ran a piece about the people who turned up at ticket office in person eventually persuading them to sell them some tickets...

koogs, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

Kinda annoyed that I wasn't allowed to buy tix for two different nights, has that always been the case?

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

It was always so, saw that when the original link was posted.

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

original posting said:

"There is a four ticket limit per person for a single show and it is not possible to buy tickets for the whole series. This is to ensure a greater number of people get to experience Kraftwerk at Tate Modern."

koogs, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah, I guess it didn't explicitly say "only can buy for one night", true.

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

20 mins on hold, on the standard number, just yielded two tickets for Tour De France - which is the one I wanted all along. Faff and a half!

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 15:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

*sigh* I guess I'm a little slow, still, better that I had to make a snap decision on the phone than agonize about which one to go to for weeks.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

So if I called back to buy for a different eve (but with the same credit card) I would be refused?

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

that is a rhetorical question i hope

ledge, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

er, hypothetical

ledge, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yea, kinda :)

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah, unless the answer is "no" right?

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Only Techno Pop left...

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nah, to be honest after 3.5 hours of being a redial bunny I'm pretty burnt.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Poor Techno Pop

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

i wouldnt mind going to see Techno pop - lost gem as they say

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Going to nights 1 & 2, getting excited, anybody else?

MaresNest, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 11:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

I am also really curious about how they're going to perform Morgenspaziergang

MaresNest, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 11:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

got Autobahn tonight then Man Machine saturday, very excited.

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 11:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm going to Radioactivity tomorrow, v excited too. Man Machine would have been my top pick.

Neil S, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 12:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

dying with jealousy at anyone going to Radioactivity.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 13:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

dying with jealousy at anyone going, period

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 13:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Going to Radioactivity tomorrow too, this 3D had better be good

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 13:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk, Knife, which K-band will be next on my presale disaster list

Wishing all of you lots of fun & excitement, of course.

willem, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 13:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Krokus?

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 13:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was reading DJ Food's diary and he writes that at the Dusseldorf concerts there was only about 800 people, he speculated that the Tate may be doing the same thing, i.e. not selling the space out to capacity.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://thequietus.com/articles/11321-ten-things-you-possibly-don-t-know-about-kraftwerk

i knew one of those things

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm going to see them with the writer of that very article.

Neil S, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 16:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

The tate shows are going to be about 900-1000 people maximum

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink


5) Two of Kraftwerk's most famous sound effects came from a speaking-aid for deaf-mute children, and a popular toy. The Vortrax was invented in Detroit in the early 1970s. A hand-held machine that looked a bit like a pocket calculator, it produced the distorted vocal choir sound that can be heard on 1975's 'Uranium', which was later sampled in the opening build-up of New Order's 'Blue Monday'.

This is slightly off; the Vortrax was used for the vocodered spoken word part, but I'm about 99.4% positive that the 'vocal choir' sound mentioned is just an Orchestron keyboard, the same one they use for Radioactivity (and the same one Popol Vuh used for 'Aguirre' etc). It never occurred to me that 'Blue Monday' lifted a 'Uranium' sample directly, but now that it's mentioned that makes sense!

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DXJJ2Ek4bmQ#!

had never heard of the vortrax speech synth before. it definitely sounds different when you tell it to speak in german.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

The tate shows are going to be about 900-1000 people maximum

― Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, February 6, 2013 5:12 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah, thanks Jamie, glad to hear, just from the point of view of processing tickets and all that malarkey.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Going tomorrow night for Radioactivity too. Was in the turbine hall for a Jeffrey Lewis gig a couple of years ago. I guess the experience will be quite different!

Moon Fuxx (Jill), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

high five to Radioactive ILXors!

Neil S, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I am sitting by the barrier in the Turbine Hall on a cushion (supplied) listening to quiet space wub noises emanating from the PA

MaresNest, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

hooray for supplied cushions!

Neil S, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Do you know what the situation was like for people trying to get returns? I work only a few buildings down the road, so tempted to see if I could get a ticket on the night for some of the shows next week...

Moon Fuxx (Jill), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wow, I have no advice, everything seemed to be solidly on paper and organised when we came in, today I'm a 'guest' of EMI, but tomorrow I'm am coming back as a ticket buyer, I could def ask for you when I go through.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's Ok. I'm going to be there tomorrow anyway.

Good to know that at least it seems more organised than the ticketing!

Moon Fuxx (Jill), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

That was a treat!

MaresNest, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 23:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

That was reassuringly brilliant.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 23:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tell us more!

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 23:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

I have to write my review and prepare stuff for tQ before I go to bed and then get back up again at 6am with my son so I'll have to limit myself to saying... I really enjoyed it! Sorry. (There'll be a shortish live review with pictures on the Quietus tomorrow fingers crossed.)

Doran, Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ah, no worries. I'll be definitely looking forward to what you've got to say about it on the site :)

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Don't want to spoil anything for those that are going this week, especially Matt#2 who could easily punch me tomorrow.

I have a pro-tip tho', apparently the sound is much better the closer you are to the front..

MaresNest, Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

Couple of pics.

MaresNest, Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

This was immense.

The Robots
Autobahn
Kometenmelodie 1
Kometenmelodie 2
Mitternacht
Morgenspaziergang
Geiger Counter
Radioactivity
Trans-Europe Express
Spacelab
The Model
Neon Lights
The Man-Machine
Numbers
Computer World
Computer Love
Home Computer
It's More Fun to Compute
Tour De France 1983
Tour De France 2003
Vitamin
Planet of Visions
Boing Boom Tschak
Techno Pop
Musique Non Stop

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

One more, this was my view all night.

MaresNest, Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

stoked 4 the madness 2nite, that setlist is amazing!

Neil S, Thursday, 7 February 2013 09:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

I forgot what a jam 'Vitamin' is.

MaresNest, Thursday, 7 February 2013 09:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

radio-active krew here too

jabba hands, Thursday, 7 February 2013 11:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

did you see them in '07 jabbs

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Thursday, 7 February 2013 12:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

08 i think it was, in NZ. it was amazing. if anything tate modern promises to be an even more spectacular venue than auckland town hall.

jabba hands, Thursday, 7 February 2013 12:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

So, what kind of Kraftwerk 'merch' is on sale there?

Mark G, Thursday, 7 February 2013 13:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Autobahn Ts, Tote bags from most album covers, Two hardback photobooks - one in 3D, the vinyl and CD box set and a bunch of posters.

I was hoping for a teapot.

Doran, Thursday, 7 February 2013 13:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I managed to get the (black) CD box set about a year ago, £60 off Amazon

Mark G, Thursday, 7 February 2013 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Vom Himmel Hoch! Kraftwerk play Autobahn at the Tate Modern

Some words written on the bus on the way home last night.

Doran, Thursday, 7 February 2013 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nice, makes me look forward to the full length essay.
Also:
1) You waved with your money (!) Awesome (I didn't know the backstory)
2) You're going to all the shows!

willem, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

2) We had something 'big' sorted out with Kraftwerk that fell through at the last minute, the tickets were a gesture of commiseration I think. I wanted to spread them round the Quietus writers but it's all done by photo ID... I'm disappointed by that but I'm not going to lose too much sleep over watching all of them myself!

Doran, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

Someone's gotta do it..
Care/allowed to elaborate a little on 'something 'big''?

willem, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Give me another week until the shows are over and if you're still interested I'll let you know.

Doran, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

worried they'll nix your tix ;-)?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ha ha ha, not really, just professional politeness. Something I've only started worrying about very late in life admittedly...

Doran, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

nice write up - reminds me of when they came to Milwaukee in '08, I wound up next to these kids who were like 15, had custom KW T-shirts ("BOING" "BOOM" and "TSCHAK"), going mental to every song, and I was like..these cats get it

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

I love shit like that. My GF knitted me an Autobahn cover V neck jumper. If I wear it out there's always at least three dudes who want to buy it off me. I wore it when I was interviewing Andy McCluskey and he just stared at it for the entire 30 minutes.

Doran, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

When I saw them at Brixton in 1991 there were a few hardcore fans down the front wearing white lab coats.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^great anecdotes.

I'll get back to you in a week Doran!

willem, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nice writes, Doran!!

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

jealous of the people seeing Radioactivity tonight. what a weird record, even for them.

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

if I could hear "Radioland", "Airwaves", and "Antenna" live...damn, someone record this!!

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

So, did they blow into Recorders for the performance of "Morgenspaziergang" last night or WOT?

Mark G, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nah, no winds no piano, just the melody kinda repeated, bit of an afterthought really. I can imagine Ralf thinking, 'how am I going to render this hippie nonsense?'

MaresNest, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Going again tonight and getting the butterflies thinking about it now, could get used to this, kinda envious of Doran's residency...!

MaresNest, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Great pics and feedback from the gig, folks! Top stuff.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

after seeing last night and how amazing it was, now have the rest of the week to get excited about Man Machine plus i'm seeing a performance of George Antheil's Ballet Mechanique beforehand at the RFH which is nice and thematically linked and its basically going to be the best day ever

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah fuck the BBC just called me middle aged: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21315793

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

gotta laugh a bit at the piece from Flur on the Quietus today...doesn't seem bitter at all!!

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Mostly middle-aged" tho. I am so jealous of all you people btw

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

youtube started throwing up tons of grade A live kraftwerk for me about three weeks ago, including captures of the Düsseldorf shows.


lo-fi audience recording of January's Radio-Aktivität. the big disappointment is that News & Transistor aren't live at all, just them playing short excerpts straight off the record -- but Airwaves & Antenna are fun

the Flur article is hilarious

Milton Parker, Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://thequietus.com/articles/11330-wolfgang-flur-kraftwerk

Indeed, it is! Especially the comments on the bands outfits!

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

For Jill or anybody else. Just met a friend who got in tonight without an advance ticket, he pitched up at six and queued at the left hand entrance at the front, he said it was no trouble at all. So there *is* a system in place.

MaresNest, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

[starts to emit a high-pitched keening noise]

eris bueller (lukas), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

urgh why am I torturing myself by reading this thread?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Lovely to meet Neil S of this parish at KW tonight. Spotted Andy McCluskey of OMD stood behind us and a guy with a knitted Man Machine jumper that put mine to shame...

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Thursday, 7 February 2013 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh God, even better Radioland was so, so fucking lovely.

MaresNest, Thursday, 7 February 2013 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Spotted Andy McCluskey of OMD stood behind us...

― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He's become a bit of a talking head for these shows, hasn't he? Not that it surprises me at all!

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 7 February 2013 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

The sound in there was amazing. So excited to hear bits coming from all around me. it was so clear. We were unfortunate enough to end up standing next to a couple, where the guy was giving a running commentary to his girlfriend all night, but I guess that's what happens to me at most London gigs.

Moon Fuxx (Jill), Thursday, 7 February 2013 23:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

HOLY FUCK

that was quite good

jabba hands, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

radioland was heavenly

jabba hands, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://thequietus.com/articles/11330-wolfgang-flur-kraftwerk

Indeed, it is! Especially the comments on the bands outfits!

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:50 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Aww, that last paragraph..

Mark G, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Great to meet you too Doran! The show was so awesome. Loved the retro-futurist 3D stuff, and as others have said the sound quality was amazing, seemingly achieved just by hanging some curtains around the hall.

Neil S, Friday, 8 February 2013 10:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

It was even more enjoyable than night 1, the Radioactivity songs came across great, even the 'playback' ones had moving 3D text, I was smacked in the face with an 'ü', people were ducking. Felt like a better crowd too, lots of genuine appreciation, somewhere in the middle the applause and whooping threatened to spill into an ovation and the band were all smiling at each other, it was fab.

MaresNest, Friday, 8 February 2013 11:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I gave a cheer for the "meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie" line in Trans Europe Express, that was a nice moment. In fact that was my favourite bit of the show, the visuals for that were fantastic.

Neil S, Friday, 8 February 2013 11:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I heard you!

MaresNest, Friday, 8 February 2013 11:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Couple more pics, from last night



MaresNest, Friday, 8 February 2013 11:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

I gave a cheer for the "meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie" line in Trans Europe Express, that was a nice moment. In fact that was my favourite bit of the show, the visuals for that were fantastic.

What were the visuals?

Hate that Flür piece for the Quietus, it hits all the buttons that reading his memoirs ("I Was A Robot") installed - self-justification by dismissing others (Hütter ánd Schneider, now that the latter's left he's apparently on his side), his 'eye' for young girls that became increasingly uncomfortable to read... I put it away halfway through, even though there's lots of interesting stuff on the band and the music itself in there.

willem, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

it used the design from the recent reisssue below, and had lots of swooping shots of the stylised train going across intersecting railway lines. It really made use of the 3D and looked lovely in black and white. I'm a sucker for anything train related!

Neil S, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh and a tip, for anyone who's going to the remaining shows- avoid paying £5 for a can of lager by bringing your own, there were no bag searches last night at least.

Neil S, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's me, W@d3y and Neil S standing up in Mare's Nest's top photo!

Doran, Friday, 8 February 2013 14:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

And there's a lady sitting down just to the right, clearly thinking: "Shut up pontificating you bellend!"

Doran, Friday, 8 February 2013 14:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hah, no way!

MaresNest, Friday, 8 February 2013 14:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just a quick question to those there last night, did they play "Transistor" live or was it a playback like "Voice of energy"? It's one of my favourite Kraftwerk pieces just because it's so different to almost anything else they have produced, and evocative of the first time I heard it (in the back of a car, half asleep on a motorway at night, counting the lights until we reached home). I never thought they would play that song live, ever, and I was just wondering. Thanks in advance.

Rob M Revisited, Friday, 8 February 2013 14:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I dont know why but that track gives me a 60's Star Trek vibe

frogbs, Friday, 8 February 2013 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

Never mind what the show was like, where can we see a picture of Doran's handknitted Autobahn jumper??

Supposed Former ILM Lurker (WeWantMiles), Friday, 8 February 2013 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

this ^

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 8 February 2013 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

There's one on my FB. If I link to it here will you be able to see it?

Doran, Friday, 8 February 2013 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

upload it here http://imgur.com/ and use the bbcode url to post it here

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Doran, Friday, 8 February 2013 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

If I'm generous to myself, I look a bit like one of the less foxy members of Cannibal Corpse there.

Doran, Friday, 8 February 2013 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok that rules

willem, Friday, 8 February 2013 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

It does, I saw the guy with the Man Machine one you mentioned, that was fantastic too.

MaresNest, Friday, 8 February 2013 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hah I totally didn't notice that re the photo, good spot Doran!

Neil S, Friday, 8 February 2013 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

I saw someone who wasn't you wearing one at Supersonic last year.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Friday, 8 February 2013 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Are you sure it wasn't me? I've got a massive beard and look about ten years older since becoming a dad. Either way I was at Supersonic wearing mine last year.

Doran, Friday, 8 February 2013 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah. The guy was, and don't take this the wrong way, much thinner than you. His beard was about the same length as yours in that picture too.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

The cheeky fucker. Bitin' my style.

Doran, Friday, 8 February 2013 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

But not my biscuits.

Doran, Friday, 8 February 2013 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think it might also have been a round neck and not a v neck.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

To be fair, it's not a difficult pattern to work out with graph paper. The Neubauten one is taking a lot longer.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Collapsing New Jumpers

Mark G, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Disappointing lack of shouting at the mention of David Bowie tonight.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

cos I wasn't there

Neil S, Saturday, 9 February 2013 09:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

I believe you're right. There was a couple doing a lot of ketamine next to me though. And, weirdly, the title track of TEE seemed much shorter last night with the whole album seeming to last about 25 minutes...

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 09:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

good they're mixing up I suppose. Not sure ketamine would be my drug of choice for KRaftwerk, but there we go.

Neil S, Saturday, 9 February 2013 10:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

He had ecstasy as well and he said that his work mate had failed to bring him an LSD infused fruit pastille as promised but they seemed to be having a very good time.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 11:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

on thurs night i saw a 40s-ish guy in the toilets turn to someone else and say "i've nicked some of my mum's codeine, i'm flying, this is perfect," only to get a disgusted look and an "i don't know you mate" in return, lol.

jabba hands, Saturday, 9 February 2013 11:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

A small amount of codeine sounds perfect. I had a tramadol that I'd been saving for Autobahn.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 12:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Recordings are beginning to filter out already, crazy.

MaresNest, Saturday, 9 February 2013 12:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I actually really liked the little solos they all did at the end of Music Non Stop, it's probably too much to hope for that they might ever go further down that route again.

John Harris's review in the Guardian came out with the old "are they really playing anything?" rockist nonsense, sigh...

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 February 2013 14:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Didn't he hear Ralf fucking up the chorus of Man Machine?

MaresNest, Saturday, 9 February 2013 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost Unfair on Harris, who loves them.

Also, I don't think it's unfair to ask - in passing - what they're actually doing. It's certainly not a rockist question. Am seeing the Mix on Weds, and saw them at RFH last time, and at RFH I spent a big chunk of the (brilliant) show wondering if they did anything on stage, aside from the occasional Ralf vocal. Doesn't make the show any less spectacular if they don't – and it's their presence (and the fact they obviously rerecord material for touring) that makes it a Kraftwerk show more than their actual participation.

Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 9 February 2013 14:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

OK maybe I was unfair, it's such a predictable thing to say though. Anyway from my vantage point at the front I could see there was plenty going on, although it's difficult to work out quite what they're specifically doing. They all have foot controllers that were getting heavy use, anyone know what they're for?

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 February 2013 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Yes, considering how little happens on stage, there are passages that rather drag. Of course, it's not entirely clear if much is actually being played."

The statement does belie what I'm sure Harris knows, that the four-men-at-desks-engaged-in-ambiguous-activity is a deliberate subversion of the notion of "performance"

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 9 February 2013 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

They are definitely playing something, Ralf is playing his Vocoder. There was a lot of filtering and triggering going on, and Henning Schmidt looked like he might have a Kaoss pad in his podium. I didn't detect much playing of the important melodies and like Matt says, there was a lot of foot-pedal/expression pedal action going on throughout. The only question mark for me is what the video guy Falk Grieffenhagen might be up to.

ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Saturday, 9 February 2013 15:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

But he looks fucking fantastic doing it, like he could push a button any second and vaporize the audience.

ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Saturday, 9 February 2013 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

It doesn't really matter to me whether or not they're doing anything - as I say, their presence is the performance. But it's not an unreasonable question, and them pushing some buttons doesn't mean there's any actual outcome from the button pushing (a la Chemical Brothers).

Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 9 February 2013 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

I agree that it doesn't matter but judging on the three separate performances, they are controlling the sound in some senses like a sound engineer or DJ would. Also certain sections are clearly played live as there have been small mistakes each night.

Doran, Saturday, 9 February 2013 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Haven't watched it in a while, and it's possible the set-up is different now, but I'm pretty sure you can see some of the stuff they're playing (or not) from certain angles on the minimum-Maximum DVD.

Position Position, Saturday, 9 February 2013 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Compared to the first time I saw them, they look a lot more like they are playing something. Saw them in Brixton in 2004 and I think they were using laptops at the time (i thought they could have been IMing each other). At least this time round it seemed like they are playing synths or keyboards.

Moon Fuxx (Jill), Saturday, 9 February 2013 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Chris & Cosey, Jim from Earl Brutus and Daniel Miller (I think) are here tonight.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

say hello to jim from me mr doran ..

mark e, Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh, and jim is from the pre new now ..
f&ck the past ..

mark e, Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ok. Fair point.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tell Jim he owes me money

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actually don't bother

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

when I saw them i got a decent look and can say that at least on Tour de France they do play the synth line live

frogbs, Saturday, 9 February 2013 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

I am going to The Mix. It was my first choice. I don't know anyone else for whom it is their favourite Kraftwerk album. Does that make me a bad person?

Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

it does. you are a bad person!

Z S, Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

also, you're not a true fan!

Z S, Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was tempted to do 'the mix', because it had a range of tracks, I did not know they did other tracks too. Blame Sparks...

Mark G, Sunday, 10 February 2013 22:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Stage invasions at a Kraftwerk gig!?

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 11 February 2013 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yea, right at the end, first the guy who was next to me all night, then a girl. Poor Fritz Hilpert was doing his solo spot and they totally bogarted his shit

ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Monday, 11 February 2013 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Maybe they just wanted a look at his rig.

Zon vs Aviary (Matt #2), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 00:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

In those neoprene spiderman costumes you can see his 'rig' from the sound desk

ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 09:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Loved the stage invasion. The humans malfunctioned.

I was stood a few rows behind the Pet Shop Boys and, less excitingly, Mick Hucknall.

Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 12:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tom Ellard dissents

http://tomellard.com/wp/2013/02/vivid-and-kraftwerk-deserve-each-other/

eris bueller (lukas), Thursday, 21 February 2013 23:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm surprised there hasn't been more dissent. Only one original member, miming, haven't really released anything new in 25 odd years. I wonder how they get away with it really.

everything, Friday, 22 February 2013 10:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I saw Kraftwerk play live in 1981.

Not everyone was around in 1981, gramps.

In 2003 I was asked if we would like to play a support spot for Kraftwerk’s return to Australia. That was great! I’d been working on some new videos and a set and it would be a perfect match, little and big. I said yes. Word came back from Germany – Nein – no videos allowed. That was a bit rough for a video band. The promoter tried a compromise. What if we used our own projector? Nein – no light touching the screens. And no instruments allowed. You will only play a tape. And you must be a specified number of metres away from the main stage.

Yes, I can't believe the headliners didn't cave into the demands of the support act. Fascist bastards.

As the set rolled along it was horrible to realise that they hadn’t advanced in over a decade. The symbol of musical progress, of futurism, were lazily stuck in the past.

Never heard of any group whose main success were in the years from 1974 to 1981 trading in on past glorious over twenty years ago.

Vivid itself being less about a festival of ideas and more about a source of tourist income every year.

To be fair, they're still trying to get over the year when the NSW tourism ministry was accused of wasting money on bring an some unknown bloke called Brian Eno to Vivid.

One look at the pictures and it seems that they might have got a few new Tron suits to wear. Whoever ‘they’ might be these days.

Well, that's why they wear the Tron suits!!

B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Friday, 22 February 2013 10:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^ reading that back, I'm being a bit harsh as I do have respect for Tom Ellard but come on, bashing Kraftwerk for being old farts is not exactly earth shattering opinions 4 u

B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Friday, 22 February 2013 10:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

FoI request shows that no tickets at all were sold online for the London run:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/142165/response/351230/attach/2/tate%20response.pdf

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 13:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Anyone who went to multiple shows in London or New York - is there much difference in the post-album set from night to night? If we managed to score in the ballot for two of the Sydney Opera House shows, is it worth going to both?

(nb: the albums are Techno Pop and Tour De France, or this question would be moot)

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not much variation ime. I managed to get to 1,2 & 5. Obviously the latter half is dictated by how many hits are included in the album that precedes it, Autobahn and Radioactivity only have one big song each, so the rest of the sets were fairly similar. For the Computer World night they also played all of Man Machine in sequence which was great. I think Neon Lights and Vitamin were the only tracks sequenced in and out of the second half. if it were me, I'd do 2 & 5.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 09:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

For the Computer World night they also played all of Man Machine in sequence which was great.

oh damn

if it were me, I'd do 2 & 5.

loooool, re-read my post - it seems the first four were all allocated to ppl who live in other countries or states, not locals, so

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 11:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ha, I did read the caveat, that didn't stop me from being redundant tho' :)

MaresNest, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 14:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

this new Karl Bartos thing is pretty entertaining

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk vs. the Chinese government

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/mar/29/kraftwerk-denied-festival-appearance-in-china

geeta, Friday, 29 March 2013 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Heads up Los Angeles.

http://kraftwerk.laphil.com/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 20:22 (10 months ago) Permalink

http://www.discogs.com/Pissoff-Origins-Of-Kraftwerk-Neu-Fritz-Müller-Avantgarde-Music-History/release/2022573

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 07:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

with Joseph Beuys!

Noodle of the Vague family (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 08:11 (10 months ago) Permalink

I think the way this LA phil thing works it's not first-come first-served.

I think.

eris bueller (lukas), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 18:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure why they neglected to ask for my last.fm username because obviously they're going to check listening history before awarding tickets, right?

eris bueller (lukas), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 18:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

There will be a date at the Fox Theater in Oakland, March 23. just a 3D concert, not the whole series.

baked akron squash (doo dah), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 18:13 (10 months ago) Permalink

Well the big ticket sale thing is happening. Compared the NYC sale nightmare this was a piece of cake and I got my tickets for TEE as desired.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 19:52 (10 months ago) Permalink

See you there!

eris bueller (lukas), Thursday, 12 December 2013 02:19 (10 months ago) Permalink

easy indeed. got good tickets for TEE and great tickets for R-A. and on night number three that week, ennio morricone at the nokia. i love LA in the springtime.

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Thursday, 12 December 2013 09:24 (10 months ago) Permalink

Another four-night run now announced in Vienna, 15-18 May.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 08:24 (10 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

LA shows have been going great in general by all accounts. Saw the one for Trans Europe Express last night and as I burbled on Facebook, it was a treat and a half; the 3D parts and some subtle changes in the arrangements gave it some variety from the show I last saw eight or so years back. (Including Fukushima in the list of sites in "Radioactivity" along with lyrics in Japanese was quietly horrific; kinda wish they'd swapped out "CIA" for "NSA" in "Computer World" though). And I got "Europe Endless," at last.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 March 2014 14:38 (7 months ago) Permalink

omg I have spent years and years scouring the universe for bootlegs w/ live performances of "Europe Endless"; I am so envious

"Jiggle It" - 2 in a Zoo (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 20 March 2014 15:23 (7 months ago) Permalink

It wasn't the album version as such -- started with "Franz Schubert," then shifted into it, and it was shortened by at least a couple of minutes -- but it was still "Europe Endless" and that was enough. The rest of the night was almost gravy.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 March 2014 15:27 (7 months ago) Permalink

>omg I have spent years and years scouring the universe for bootlegs w/ live performances of "Europe Endless"; I am so envious

very interesting pre-album version appears on Kraftwerk ‎– Live In Roundhouse 10.10.1976 - http://www.discogs.com/Kraftwerk-Live-In-Roundhouse-10101976/release/1667907

lo-fi, so fans only, but pretty interesting to hear the song slowly coming together: different sequencer part, and no triplet delay yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEdRiBeWPm8&list=PL2D5962F68797BACE&index=5

Milton Parker, Thursday, 20 March 2014 15:41 (7 months ago) Permalink

TEE night from LA has just gone up on D1m3adozen.

MaresNest, Sunday, 23 March 2014 11:38 (7 months ago) Permalink

Why thank you for the tip-off there...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 23 March 2014 15:52 (7 months ago) Permalink

Soundboard?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 23 March 2014 19:51 (7 months ago) Permalink

Nope, but still pretty good.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 23 March 2014 21:44 (7 months ago) Permalink

holy fuck Oakland was so good. Did LA get the 3d experience?

akm, Monday, 24 March 2014 20:35 (7 months ago) Permalink

yeah. it was great.

ugh (lukas), Monday, 24 March 2014 20:40 (7 months ago) Permalink

Oakland show so great last night. Much better than the 2004 tour (it's a perverse joke after years of that incredible 91-03 configuration of greatest-hits shows, their first official live album & video was for the tour in support of TDF Soundtracks).

The new video guy is obviously live triggering the visuals in relative sync with the music. Pretty sure the music is no longer printed to the video feed, which gives it some room to breathe. Friends who saw the LA shows confirmed some of the songs were a bit shorter or longer, and sometimes you'd definitely hear a mis-trigger -- but I took this as intentional, and felt reminiscent of their 70's shows when they would occasionally get truly sloppy. Most of the liveness is still limited mostly to live filtering & delay/reverb send levels, but the little dub breakdowns they've worked into most of their numbers are taking over & becoming very prominent.

None of this matters if you haven't seen them yet, it's mainly just this incredible, unbeatable Disneyland ride. You can't stop the concept. I'll go again.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 21:54 (7 months ago) Permalink

Great summary there and yeah, it definitely feels shaped and played in a way that finds a really nice sweet spot between structure and that variety you described. If the Chic/Moroder show in May is anywhere near as good I'll consider this one hell of a year on that front alone.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 22:09 (7 months ago) Permalink

If the Chic/Moroder show

screeeeeeechbangcrash

ugh (lukas), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 23:04 (7 months ago) Permalink

and even if it's not anywhere near as good, it's the hollywood bowl, so it should be a fun time anyway.

the pursuit of ha'pennies (get bent), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 23:06 (7 months ago) Permalink

that is interesting, 'Heavy Metal Kids' was actually a working song title projected on the screen in this broadcast! I thought that was just a title someone had made up for the K4 boot. although it's pretty clear here it's the same piece they ended up calling 'Stratovarius' for the debut. on K4, with Rother replacing Hutter, the piece is just a sidelong glance on 'Iron Man' for a few seconds before flooring it

top notch, thank you WDR (c) 2014

- Von Himmel Hoch
- Ruckzuck
- Heavy Metal Kids (Stratovarius)
- Improvisation 1 (Tongebirge-esque + extra Dinger)

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 20:30 (6 months ago) Permalink

not all that interesting sonically though is it, you can tell why Hütter is in no hurry to reissue the early albums

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 21:23 (6 months ago) Permalink

mmm, "Ralf and Florian" deserves its place among the rest. I like the first two as well,but.

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 21:51 (6 months ago) Permalink

personally, think it's strange they wouldn't just reissue all of them. I'm all for forging one's own identity, but trying to hide your early albums is futile these days, and it smacks of revisionism a la george lucas. Plus, I like all of those records! Come on guys, do it for me.

Dominique, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 22:14 (6 months ago) Permalink

>not all that interesting sonically though is it, you can tell why Hütter is in no hurry to reissue the early albums

definitely not for everyone. I'm a pretty big fan of even the lower fidelity boots of this band from 1970-1981, and I definitely respect the people who only find this band interesting from 1970-1973.

wouldn't be surprised if Hutter never puts the first three out, they just don't fit the 'perfect' narrative of the evolving concept albums. my issue is that the ~20 minutes of music that Schneider / Dinger / Rother recorded for Kraftwerk 2 with Conny, then shelved when Hutter returned, has been discovered / archived but can't get green lighted. that's just no fair.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 22:22 (6 months ago) Permalink

Wasn't there some rumor Ralf was up for finally doing something about it just because even he was sick of all the boots?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 March 2014 00:31 (6 months ago) Permalink

i'm surprised they haven't capitalized on it, they'd certainly make some money off them. but maybe that they haven't done that is respectable too. dunno. the boots of those three that are around sound fine to me so I'm not hankering for official releases.

akm, Thursday, 27 March 2014 03:50 (6 months ago) Permalink

that footage is so great, <3 frozen German teenagers

Charles, hatless (sic), Thursday, 27 March 2014 04:13 (6 months ago) Permalink

If nothing else, the official Kraftwerk YouTube channel has the three early albums represented in their entirety (as well as seemingly everything else in their discography)...

https://www.youtube.com/user/KraftwerktheOfficial

I'm a dais, I'm a dais (zero of the signified), Thursday, 27 March 2014 06:54 (6 months ago) Permalink

"Official" ?

Mark G, Thursday, 27 March 2014 06:57 (6 months ago) Permalink

Ralf shd just burn everything

instant wrinkle filler (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 27 March 2014 07:36 (6 months ago) Permalink

Ralf's hair is just epic in that video. Also, what a fantastic HD rip. So cool seeing these vintage videos getting archived at a nice resolution.

octobeard, Thursday, 27 March 2014 07:39 (6 months ago) Permalink

loooooool KraftwerktheOfficial

Charles, hatless (sic), Thursday, 27 March 2014 08:12 (6 months ago) Permalink

That clip is abso-fucking-lutely amazing!

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 27 March 2014 10:54 (6 months ago) Permalink

wtf is that thing Ralf is playing?!?!

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 27 March 2014 10:55 (6 months ago) Permalink

i'm going to the show tonight and uhh is this like a 3d glasses type thing?

chive on you crazy diamond (diamonddave85), Thursday, 27 March 2014 15:03 (6 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's a 3D thing, saw it at Latitude last year and the sight of an entire crowd dancing with 3D glasses on is... odd to say the least.

Some of the visuals work better than others but Tour De France and Trans Europe Express were genuinely awesome.

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 March 2014 15:07 (6 months ago) Permalink

ahh cool

chive on you crazy diamond (diamonddave85), Thursday, 27 March 2014 15:23 (6 months ago) Permalink

that Rockpalast footage is indeed awesome...

always looking for an excuse to repost this one... Dinger/Rother/Schneider doing some kinda blueprint for 'Hallogallo', date on the clip is different but looks like it might be from the same tv appearance as the 'Kakteen, Wuste, Sonne' clip posted above a long time ago...

http://youtu.be/RqGrXf8zo0k

alb indys, Thursday, 27 March 2014 18:14 (6 months ago) Permalink

funny and lolexander (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 10 April 2014 03:58 (6 months ago) Permalink

THASS WHASSUP

smooth hymnal (m bison), Thursday, 10 April 2014 04:22 (6 months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-haWSy43Ks

Carl F.A.Y.B.A.N. (lpz), Saturday, 12 April 2014 05:42 (6 months ago) Permalink

wtf is that thing Ralf is playing?!?!

It's a Tubon. The original keytar.

Vast Halo, Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:14 (6 months ago) Permalink

Wow.

Milton Parker, Sunday, 13 April 2014 22:08 (6 months ago) Permalink

What the hell video are they dancing in that room in??

funny and lolexander (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 14 April 2014 01:15 (6 months ago) Permalink

What the hell video are they dancing in that room in??

― funny and lolexander (Stevie D(eux))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkuUuBt7nrE

Moka, Monday, 14 April 2014 02:03 (6 months ago) Permalink

"Die Geräte sind gebraucht und teilweise längere Zeit nicht benutzt. Aufgrund der Menge der Geräte kann deren Funktion nicht im einzelnen geprüft werden. Daher Verkauf ohne Gewährleistung."

"The devices are used and sometimes not used for a long time. Due to the amount of equipment whose function can not be examined in detail. Therefore, sales without warranty."

business nerves (doo dah), Thursday, 17 April 2014 12:50 (6 months ago) Permalink

'Ruckzuck' is all time for me!

Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 17 April 2014 13:07 (6 months ago) Permalink

A bit of a cliffhanger that

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:34 (5 months ago) Permalink

as if

Gritty Shakur (sic), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 00:25 (5 months ago) Permalink

early concert from winter 1970 in soest with the original formation (ralf, florian & klaus) from the rockpalast archive.
tracklist:
- stratovarius (improvised, elemental, more an intro than a track)
- ruckzuck (where the flute meets the motorik beat)
- heavy metal kids (where stockhausen meets prog)
- improvisation 1 (kraut rock jam)

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 1 May 2014 16:46 (5 months ago) Permalink

I wanna be excited for it but "it's coming" has been their answer since like 2009

frogbs, Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:10 (5 months ago) Permalink

.. Like the first three albums' boxsets

Mark G, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:25 (5 months ago) Permalink

is that supposedly coming? i feel like they never talk about it or reference it at all

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:38 (5 months ago) Permalink

When the first box finally came out, Mojo talked to Ralf, and he cryptically alluded to the delay on the first lps getting reissued was due to the tapes being in less than optimal condition ("they are very dusty" he said).

Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:42 (5 months ago) Permalink

ooooh. hmm. it just seems odd that they also never play anything from those albums either.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:46 (5 months ago) Permalink

but I suppose that not many of those songs would fit in very smoothly with their Autobahn-present material

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:47 (5 months ago) Permalink

was just listening to this, speaking of those missing albums - a very nice radio broadcast from 1974 - http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=1815

tylerw, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:50 (5 months ago) Permalink

it doesn't seem odd at all that they don't play that stuff - it's totally different than what they're known for. they don't really play gems like "Franz Schubert" or for that matter anything off the second side of Autobahn either.

frogbs, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:50 (5 months ago) Permalink

but am i totally making it up that they (well, Ralf at this point) seem to completely avoid ever talking about that era? I feel like that's been a standard talking point in most articles about them over the last several years

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:53 (5 months ago) Permalink

or for that matter anything off the second side of Autobahn either.

p sure they do at Autobahn shows

Gritty Shakur (sic), Friday, 2 May 2014 01:08 (5 months ago) Permalink

The "Ralf and Florian" album would fit in with their current shows, no problem.

Mark G, Friday, 2 May 2014 09:49 (5 months ago) Permalink

"Ralf"

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 2 May 2014 09:54 (5 months ago) Permalink

yeah.

Funnily enough, I managed to get a copy for very cheap off ebay last year as they'd not 'graded' it (turned out to be mint), and they'd listed it as "Ralph and Floria" (or something like that)

Mark G, Friday, 2 May 2014 10:06 (5 months ago) Permalink

back-up duck (doo dah), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:15 (5 months ago) Permalink

a very nice radio broadcast from 1974 - http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=1815

― tylerw, Thursday, May 1, 2014 8:50 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

had not heard this one -- thank you! great fidelity very mellow & a wonderful 'Kling Klang'.

but am i totally making it up that they (well, Ralf at this point) seem to completely avoid ever talking about that era?

might be uncomfortable for Ralf to talk about that stretch when he wasn't in the band, or how Florian, Michael, Klaus & Conny had gotten half way through recording a second KW album without him. I'm relieved those tapes have been found and transferred because it doesn't look as if we're going to be hearing them within any of the principals' lifetimes

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:23 (5 months ago) Permalink

Are there any other really jammy Radio Bremen type shows where they do that crazy "Ruckzuck"?

funny and lolexander (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 5 May 2014 20:39 (5 months ago) Permalink

"Ralf and Florian" is the best. I could listen to that thing all day.

grandavis, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:48 (5 months ago) Permalink

xpost 'ruckzuck' was played in concert up till '75. the 74-75 versions are mellower 'Ralf and Florian' spins on it and there's a great one in the set tylerw just posted.

the Soest version just posted last month is on par with the Bremen one, and if you can handle the bongos, there's an Organization version in which Florian appears to be wearing a t-shirt consisting entirely of a picture of his own head - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eB-sl6ZLpo

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 May 2014 22:00 (5 months ago) Permalink


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