ugh, the worst, right? anyway, i just really wanted to share this lustrous takedown of him from some guy's blog i don't know:http://jacobinism.blogspot.co.il/2013/05/drooling-self-love-dime-store-third.html
One will search Greenwald’s writing for coherence in vain because, although he espouses moral relativism when it suits his agenda, as we’ve just seen, he’ll vehemently disown it with his very next breath. His is not a thoughtful, principled commitment to a philosophy he’s prepared to defend or apply consistently. Rather, his geopolitical outlook might be best described as a half-understood kind of dime-store Third Worldism; a gruesome combination of a thoroughgoing Western masochism with an ostensible compassion for the wretched of the earth that masks the same racist condescension and contempt typified by the worst kind of colonialist paternalism.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
hes cooler than you
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
isms in my opinion aren't good
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
it was funny when the exile would troll him by only referring to him as "glenn greenwald of the libertarian cato institute"
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OoUEP8atZl4/UY8Z5RFJ5mI/AAAAAAAAALg/ftL1Q9ZSCTc/s1600/greenwald.jpg
he looks like an older mark zuckerberg here
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
Principled, consistent, systematic political philosophers do not become pundits. Greenwald's inconsistencies merely validate his membership in that group. Apart from that shocking accusation, all the rest of the takedown quoted above is pure vilification. iow, it is a less witty version of what Greenwald does for a living. pot calling out the kettle.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
no no I meant it as a compliment
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
By calling him the "worst", you are being as simplistic as he sometimes is.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
I think he is a bad writer but I agree with most of the points he makes.
― Michigan seems like a dream to me now (Treeship), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
good thing i'm only making threads on ilx and not opining for a major newspaper xp
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
Mordy does simplistic a lot, with relish
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
mordy doesnt like glenn-chan because he refuses to kiss israel's feet and lips and buttlips. let's just be real about it
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link
well that's why he's the worst!
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:44 (ten years ago) link
Mordy, I've only read the Thatcher article, show me what he wrote that you didn't like?
― cardamon, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:44 (ten years ago) link
Like any pundit he's useful when you need him to prove your point. Explaining how presidential administration quietly or openly chip away at civil liberties is his strength; he lacks the subtlety to explain what makes civil liberties worth preserving and the style that would make him consistently readable. Like all brands, he's taken for granted.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
^ i agree with this
― Michigan seems like a dream to me now (Treeship), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
"thoroughgoing Western masochism" = we hadda kill those people, dammit.
Works well for Israel, too.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
like most men, he looks vile in cargo shorts
http://www.out.com/sites/out.com/files/GlennGreenwald1.jpg
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
goddamn his husband
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link
He looks better in cargo shorts than glenn does
― Michigan seems like a dream to me now (Treeship), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
goddamn to hell colored flip flops.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
lol this thread
greenwald is occasionally (ok, more than occasionally) long-winded but he is easily the best political blogger of the last decade.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
treeship mostly otm
also i think we've gone over this ground p thoroughly in the last 5 years
also that blog you linked to really sucks!
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
harry's place, LGF, euston manifesto in the blogroll... labor hawks, man, 2004 in effect
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link
mordy didn't you love greenwald until a few years ago
mordy's not an obama stan but i did sort of notice that he lost a lot of fans around 2009 or so, weird
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
who lost fans, GG, obama or mordy?
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
i did love greenwald until a few years ago - i remember when i forced myself to unsub from his rss feed. this was when he was still at salon.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
Hmm. It seems to me that the only reason Greenwald is perplexed by accusations of relativism is that he doesn't understand what the term means. [goes on to define moral relativism]
yes thanks much fucker
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
anyway he's at his best when he just writes about the law and doesn't try to pundit so much, and once you read like 100 of his columns you pretty much know what he's going to think about everything and he becomes less necessary to read on a daily basis. he's definitely a necessary force for good in the world of political writing. even if i don't need to read him anymore, i wouldn't want a blogosphere without him
have to say some of the clones he's produced are pretty dire, like him otm more often than not but with even less style and just clearly not as smart or well-researched. forget these dudes names atm but it's not important, they're like slate writers or something. also goes without saying his commenters are generally the scum of the earth but i haven't read any of his comments in years either
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
i used to find his writing very interesting - he'd present new material (especially legal material) that i wasn't familiar with, he'd analyze it very insightfully, etc. now he just rants and writes arguments about how ideologically impure everyone but he is. also i think he's doubled down significantly on the wrong side of liberalism. like when he asked recently why Israeli can bomb Syria without condemnation when obv if Syria bombed Israel ppl would be hysterical. obv equivalencies like that are immediately intellectually suspect (um, Assad has been lobbing shit into Israel for months w/out much attention), but also it's just this really facile kind of geopolitical analysis. at some point he traded in what he was good at - legal analysis - for ideological tirades. i think it really destroyed any value he held.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link
lol at that 'lustrous takedown,' which includes gems like this:
Those of us who recognise the universal importance and desirability of the above, have little difficulty in ascribing inferiority to a culture that is - conversely - obscurantist, theocratic, misogynistic, racist and oppressive, such as that of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
dismissing a 'culture' (rather than a government) as 'inferior' sounds pretty racist to me.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link
cultures aren't synonymous w/ races
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
maybe it's culturist tho!
yeah i mean it's kind of a dickish thing to say no matter how you slice it.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
nah, some cultures obv suck
i am a big fan of both gg and mordy, i am sad they can't be friends
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
they can walk in flip flops and shorts together
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
now he just rants and writes arguments about how ideologically impure everyone but he is
eh he inserts enough qualifiers and equivocations to suggest otherwise, but he IS fond of adverbs
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link
feet and lips and buttlips
I love you
― Oral Sex in Sharp’s Ridge Park (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link
Greenwald has also criticised the US detention facilities at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on the grounds that they deny those held there the protection of the rule of law and due process. But if these are markers by which it is possible to judge the American administration's commitment to human rights, why are they not also suitable markers by which to judge that of the Iranian or Syrian regimes, whose behaviour by these standards is demonstrably much worse? And if these markers are deemed legitimate points of universalist comparison by Greenwald, then why not others such as the emancipation of women, and the protection of LGBTQ rights? And why the reluctance to judge, and where necessary indict, cultures accordingly?
oh, the bush years. remember this shit? lol
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
i do think GG used to be better than he is now -- he rarely surprises me anymore. i usually skip the pieces where he just complains about cable news. this was one of his better pieces from the last couple years:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/02/obama-civil-liberties-history
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
let's summarize Mordy's points:
tuchus
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
i did make fun of mordy's cargo shorts once which i regret
i think JD's point that he's the best political blogger of the past decade (ever?) is pretty tough to argue with; even if you dislike his more recent punditry (something i can sympathize with), his strengths make him on balance pretty invaluable. you can even just choose to remember the good times
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
Greenwald can only withhold judgement of Iran's dismal human rights record or Syria's campaign of sectarian slaughter by affirming that Persians and Arabs are simply not culturally suited to the liberties and protections derived from Enlightenment thought to which Westerners rightly feel they are entitled. Instead, they must be perceived as childlike, simple and sometimes savage peoples whose cultural proclivities demonstrate a preference for subjugation, violence, injustice and fear over liberty and peace, and who are incapable of understanding egalitarian concepts of human rights due to their uniquely 'Western' character.
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
maybe the best domestic blogger critic of america but he's so outclassed by like every other geopolitical blogger
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
the blue and the dim of feet and lips and buttlipsi would spread my lips on those buttlips
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:44 (ten years ago) link
i think that's pretty otm. i've felt for a long time like there's a racism of low expectations at play in post-colonialism + cultural relativism xxp
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:44 (ten years ago) link
like stephen walt is hardly a friend of israel but he's so much more worth reading than greenwald. he actually writes new material and has insights that seem valuable. and he doesn't rant.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:45 (ten years ago) link
― Mordy , Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:37 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark
agreed, for example the racist settler state known as Israel
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:45 (ten years ago) link
― goole, Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:40 PM (3 minutes ago)
ha wait, who's the relativist now?
gg has said on numerous occasions that he focuses on the US because he's a US citizen. seems pretty simple
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
why is that simple? he doesn't live here, he writes for a UK paper, etc. why should the coincidence of his birthplace be the most important driver in his work?
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link
to repeat: i haven't ever been able to make my way thru an entire GG column even in his best days and don't even attempt it now, he's a shitty writer and stunningly ignorant and unimaginative about how politics works (esp anything domestic or money-related), but he's undeniably right about his core concerns (the law), and also this 'lustrous takedown' is str8 cheap garbage
xp because he's a constitutional lawyer
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link
stunningly ignorant and unimaginative uninterested about how politics works (esp anything domestic or money-related)
fixed
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link
as a middle-aged Jew currently wearing cargo shorts I am following this thread closely so I know what political views to espouse
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link
he doesn't live here because of DOMA. he's said that a thousand times and anyone who criticizes him for writing about US policy as an expat is a scumbag straight up
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link
And why the reluctance to judge, and where necessary indict, cultures accordingly?
if i can answer this one for myself, because 'indictment' means war? fuck that, man. no war.
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
i'm not saying he shouldn't write about US policy bc he's an expat. I'm saying that the coincidence of his birthplace is not a slamdunk explanation for only writing about the US.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
the 'takedown' reads like the guy never heard of greenwald before and was given half an hour to churn something out. gg has assigned himself a remit and he is pretty clear about what he is/isn't going to write about. which is really up to him and doesn't need a justification?
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
political pundits who are uninterested about how politics works are strange people
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
I know, he read that thing Chomsky wrote once and it really stuck with him but it's not the end of the conversation. Plenty of people born in particular countries write about other countries. Especially when they leave that country for whatever reason.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
I mean greenwald is not alone in that category but it does describe him pretty well
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:51 (ten years ago) link
i don't think i'd want to see the greenwaldian style applied to brazil even for lols
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link
Maybe Greenwald writes about the US for the Guardian because that's what they hired him to do?
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
― iatee, Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:50 PM (26 seconds ago)
this is definitely a frustrating thing about GG but i think ppl would be better served not reading his columns as prescriptive (even if that's his intent!) and instead using them to be like "ok everything he's saying is otm, this is at least something to keep in mind"
like he can be ridiculous but he's necessary when he's at his best no one is/was writing about the things he was writing about, at least no one with a fraction of his audience
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:55 (ten years ago) link
period after necessary
this aggrieved (or often enough, chuckling) attitude that a homosexual has to be a neocon because traditional or autocratic societies are sexually restrictive is so fucking gross
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
wait what?
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
that GG takedown has been written a hundred times before, only it went 'noam chomsky can't see anything good about america, but he NEVER writes about how bad the soviet union is.'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
that's 'jacobinism' dude's argument!
xp
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link
chomsky is a guy who i loved in high school. i used to listen to his (political) lectures all the time but i think in some ways he's even worse than greenwald. his theories about how power works are totally divorced from what i'd consider sharp analysis of the world, or politics, and though his style appealed to me when i was younger it became clear that he's just a really intelligent conspiracy theorist.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:01 (ten years ago) link
Scolds are often right.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:01 (ten years ago) link
J.D. otm
I am essentially uninterested in how politics in 21st-century America works bcz Obama.
Chomsky even said after the election that Bam was the lesser evil, what more do you want?
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:02 (ten years ago) link
http://972mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/rsz_gp3.jpg
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link
i have some issues with chomsky but i don't think it's accurate to call him a conspiracy theorist -- if anything the problem is that he's the opposite, someone who denies that human agency can make a difference in history at all. like, in his reading, the cold war somehow has almost nothing to do with harry truman and dean acheson, but 'about' america's corporate interests, which somehow (never specified) pulled all the strings behind the scenes and controlled american foreign policy. one thing i do like about GG is that he (mostly) doesn't do this.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:09 (ten years ago) link
"but 'about' america's corporate interests, which somehow (never specified) pulled all the strings behind the scenes and controlled american foreign policy"
how is this not a conspiracy theory? vague, non specified accusation of someone pulling all the strings behind the scenes!
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
"someone"
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
citizens united yo - it's the LAW
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
well conspiracy theorists tend to be fixated on the actions of actual individuals -- FDR and pearl harbor, the 'real' JFK assassins, et al. i guess you could call chomsky an institutional conspiracy theorist in that he blames everything on institutions -- the press is bad because it's owned by corporations, wars happen because wall street wants them, etc etc.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:24 (ten years ago) link
i think they're different versions. plenty of conspiracy theories about organizations/governments secretly doing x, y, z
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link
chomsky's theories don't require anyone to know what they're doing, though
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
Here's a Greenwald phrase from a column of his that annoys me:
As French war planes bomb Mali, there is one simple statistic that provides the key context: this west African nation of 15 million people is the eighth country in which western powers - over the last four years alone - have bombed and killed Muslims
Greenwald failed to acknowledge that in north Mali, fundamentalist Muslim extremists were taking over and killing and oppressing moderate Malian Muslims. His "key context" is based on his simplistic Western colonialists return to kill noble Muslims thesis, when the facts are more complicated. A better columnist might have addressed each country individually and as for Mali, not simply lumped together all types of Muslims, while better making his point re Western imperialism.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
― Mordy , Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:23 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the citizens united issue is actually a pretty good example of him breaking with party-line liberalism and convincing me to question my instincts. i see it as a much more complex issue after reading his writing on the case
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
i wasn't making a corporate personhood reference i meant i think the distinction between what jfk headz believe and what chomsky believes is a distinction between conscious conspiracy and the automatic self-perpetuating behavior of systems
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:29 (ten years ago) link
i grew up on chomsky but nowadays i tend to think that (like a lot of leftists) his reflexive anti-americanism gets in the way. i know i sound like a conservative, but his worldview (or view of history) seems constructed around the unshakable notion of the United States as a Bad Actor (and not just a bad actor, but _the_ Bad Actor around which all other Bad Actors appear to swirl and take succor) and everything else just kind of falls in line with that. which is not to say that the United States has not been a Bad Actor many, many times and that Chomsky has not rightfully (and righteously) helped to expose some of those occasions. but I think Chomsky is basically a bad historian and does not respect due diligence in research, it's just too easy to drop each new event into this master template that he doesn't care to revise.
greenwald is not that programmatic, although he's becoming more by the day. but unlike chomsky I still find him readable.... usually. whenever he talks about popular culture you have to roll your eyes.
still, a lot of the greenwald quotes up above are pretty damning. at least in terms of painting him as a guy who can't see beyond a manichean logic (which is often chomsky's problem). but yeah he's capable (thus far) of more complex reasoning.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:30 (ten years ago) link
there is a kind of unnavigable interzone between analysis of how power works and 'conspiracy'. i don't know the names & schedules of the people working here http://www.api.org/ but i'm sure they're up to some shit. i suppose the difference is i woulnd't come out and say they're up to some shit w/o some proof of what it was
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
xpost
(there's a reason why historians don't like chomsky or zinn btw, and it's not because they're a conservative bunch.)
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
DLH otm, my problem is that chomsky takes his 'institutional' critique so far that he doesn't leave any room for individuals, their flaws and ambitions and motives. like, i don't believe that truman invaded korea or JFK invaded vietnam because of 'the automatic self-perpetuating behavior of systems.' (i've also never heard him talk about political parties, which is a huge hole in any attempt to analyze the politics of the u.s.)
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:34 (ten years ago) link
my own worldview is v much anti-conspiratorial, since my belief is that power is exorcized out in the open, it's just too boring and complicated for anybody to pay attention to in a sustained way (cf. 19/20 supreme court cases, 999/1000 things congress does on a given day)
― goole, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link
yeah i think you are right, plus even when the a.s-p.b.o.s. does matter, as in say lbj's decisions to escalate, it's still incomplete to ignore who lbj is and what he wants and why xp
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:36 (ten years ago) link
i mean they both matter pretty much literally all the time
rather weird to study history and not care about personalities. Even Hobsbawm does.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link
i pretty much hate zinn, mainly because his chapter on the civil war has to be one of the worst things ever written on the subject. i blame it for every argument i had on the subject in college. (also at least partly to blame for some of the stupid kneejerk left-wing reactions to spielberg's 'lincoln').
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:41 (ten years ago) link
yeah, it's kind of a piece of junk. there are a few high-profile takedowns of "people's history" by historians.
i had a kind of revelation about this around age 16, right around when folks around me were like "have you read this amazing book?" i realized that zinn was insulting my intelligence in not trusting me with a version of history tainted by complexity.
also zinn gave a "talk" at my school that was just a bunch of leftist/"movement" clichés strung together (I mean literally, he had no script and no "theme," he just got up there and riffed on "change begins with you" over and over). it was so lazy (and therefore so contemptuous of his audience and the honorarium they had presented to him) that it kind of shook me out of whatever remaining adulation I had for zinn.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link
'people's history' does have a lot of great quotes and excerpts from other authors -- it'd be a great oral history, except that zinn's commentary invariably reduces it all to the level of a bad fairy tale. this is a pretty good takedown:
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/howard-zinns-history-lessons
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/337311650275278848
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 04:08 (ten years ago) link
i apologize in advance for the length of this post.
i am confused about what i feel about howard zinn. my favorite part of the dissent article is when it argues that zinn's book does a disservice to the losers of history by describing them as naive, well-intentioned bumblers that keep getting defeated by the elites, and in that sense doesn't even make good on its promise to be a history of what is usually overlooked/deliberately marginalized, esp. in terms of workers' movements. i think an openly biased popular history book that tries to create a strong narrative of left wing radicalism as a counterbalance of the strong narrative people know about the founding fathers, lincoln, etc. might be a legitimate project, but i'm not sure if zinn's book is that.
i used to be a big chomskyite and thought that institutions had lives of their own, basically, and perpetuated their interests somewhat independently of human agents, who are always relegated to niche roles and never really get a sense of the bigger picture, and might well be deluding themselves as to the real meaning of the roles that have been prescribed for them. i think this is true of corporations... i think they are like this, because they need to maximize short term profits and can't do anything, really, that would undermine this narrow goal. i think i might have been attracted to thinking "institutionally" bc i have an aversion to judging individuals morally and didn't want my politics to be based on calling individuals greedy, corrupt, whatever because i suspected that these things are diversions, and have little effect on what is really going on.
i think i am at a confusing juncture in my political thinking because i don't have a good answer for what the united states should do with the immense power it has, and the postcolonial legacy that comes with it, which involves a large part of the world being really fucked up for reasons relating to US interventionism, military, covert, or otherwise. i suspect there isn't a good answer for when "intervention" becomes necessary, or even for what the "actual reasons" for our past "interventions" have been, which is frightening. wtf was even the point of the war in iraq for instance? chomsky's shrugging answer that it was just about perpetuating the interests of the ruling class seems wrong, but then again, i don't think it was about anything the bush administration said it was about either. i think dick cheney himself has a different perspective today on why he was into the idea of war in iraq than he did in 2003.
one thing i agree with greenwald on though, unreservedly, is that the US needs to hold itself to a way higher standard than fucking assad or whomever, i don't think it's at ALL hypocritical for him to argue that if nations like the US and israel aren't hewing to strict human rights standards -- not torturing people, giving POWs fair trials, not bombing densely populated areas all the time because come on, how necessary really was it to kill anwar al-awlaki -- then NOBODY EVER WILL.
― Treeship, Thursday, 23 May 2013 04:51 (ten years ago) link
nobody ever has, nobody ever will
― balls, Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:49 (ten years ago) link
dude really does love dogs i'll give him that
― balls, Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:50 (ten years ago) link
i guess i mostly agree with kevin itt... i haven't read greenwald regularly in years and find him a bit ridiculous and borderline self-parodic at this point but he says things that a lof people won't/don't and he's often right so eh
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 23 May 2013 06:34 (ten years ago) link
i think the war in iraq is a good example of leftist blind spots re How Things Happen because i don't think it was a cynical project. oil and contracts and father issues matter but more than anything else (and especially given the i guess the word is carelessness w which the invasion was handled) i think the war was real earnest hubris. the imperial disease. athens in sicily, britain vs the boers. it's about getting the upper hand w the spartans and it's about the gold mines in the transvaal but it's also just about power and the terror that power not grown will shrink. alcibiades: "it is not possible for us to calculate, like housekeepers, exactly how much empire we want to have. the fact is we have reached a stage where we are forced to plan new conquests." in that sense i guess i do think it was an institutional reflex? but one that also depended on devout individuals being busy busy beavers. (behind alci's theorizing he's lusting for personal glory.) trotsky sometimes hints he understands how history is both inevitable and dependent but i never follow him when he explains.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 23 May 2013 07:03 (ten years ago) link
the problem with a people's history is it conveys exactly the same sense of untroubled certainty you get from the textbooks it's supposedly correcting. zinn never doubts and he never muddies. it's just the textbooks backwards and it sucks for all the same reasons.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 23 May 2013 07:13 (ten years ago) link
ignore that part about the boers i don't really know what i'm talking about.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 23 May 2013 07:31 (ten years ago) link
lots of leftists saw the iraq war as earnest imperial hubris! that's something that stands out in my memory about the discussion and protests of the time, the exasperation at how *belated* and out of time so much of the appeal to invasion seemed.
don't disagree with your larger point obv
― discreet, Thursday, 23 May 2013 08:08 (ten years ago) link
yeah you're right. lots had NO WAR FOR OIL bumper stickers too, though.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 23 May 2013 08:08 (ten years ago) link
i feel like the iraq war was such a perfect storm of carefully nurtured (for decades!) imperial dream-lust and blowback historical circumstance, that no opposition argument is really *too* reductive, no matter much it may seem. they really were after oil! and regional hegemony! and looking for new piles of rubble to cheer on. it's all there no matter how distractedly you look.
― discreet, Thursday, 23 May 2013 08:59 (ten years ago) link
this is a great thread. treeship and difficult listening hour are BRINGING IT.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:40 (ten years ago) link
in 2003 my international relations professor said that if you weren't a fan of american hegemony there was something encouraging about the iraq war, because truly powerful hegemons don't need to send in troops. that america was reduced to going to war in order validate its hegemonic credentials was the first sign of its decline as hegemon.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 May 2013 09:44 (ten years ago) link
i'm wrong, there's totally a professor out there somewhere with an argument too reductive, i take it all back
― discreet, Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:03 (ten years ago) link
do you think he was wrong? seems pretty on point to me
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:04 (ten years ago) link
i don't believe that truman invaded korea or JFK invaded vietnam because of 'the automatic self-perpetuating behavior of systems.'
oh, rrrrreally
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2013 11:31 (ten years ago) link
Truman didn't invade Korea.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:08 (ten years ago) link
I suppose we could allude to Frederick Jackson Turner and frontier theory, with imperialism the means by which a nation MUST use its considerable resources to find new markets as well as use those fancy battleships and planes, etc. Henry Adams said at the turn of the century that power requires a way to test it, therefore it was inevitable that nations like Germany and Japan, growing at an astonishing rate, would eventually provoke war; they were powder kegs ready for explosions.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:10 (ten years ago) link
nah, some cultures obv suck― Mordy , Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:37 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmarkagreed, for example the racist settler state known as Israel --turds (Hungry4Ass)
agreed, for example the racist settler state known as Israel --turds (Hungry4Ass)
Key troll
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:32 (ten years ago) link
kinda one-note imo. if you're not furthering the parameters of the troll u're just running in place
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:39 (ten years ago) link
don't be defensive Mordy acknowledge the burn
― Oral Sex in Sharp’s Ridge Park (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link
i thought he meant his own trolling
― goole, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
it burns
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link
he's got a point. good trolling doesn't stick to old boundaries, it needs to expand, it needs to, you know, establish an ongoing presence in contested areas
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link
Lolol
― Treeship, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link
otm. trolling creates new facts on the ground.
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:08 (ten years ago) link
the problem with Hungry4Ass was that he was not trolling enough
― ḉrut (crüt), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
he's our own little suicide bomber
― iatee, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:14 (ten years ago) link
yeah, that's the thing. trolling me about israel is so easy that even morbz can do it. i thought hungry4ass was into the next level trolling.
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
if there's one thing the history of ilx has taught us, it's that trolling will not be contained. trolling breaks free. it expands to new territories; it crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, ah... well, there it is.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link
trolling finds a way
― ryan, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:31 (ten years ago) link
also trolling israel is already glenn's shtick so it's kinda just reframing the questionhttps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/337357514440077312
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:36 (ten years ago) link
when we troll, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll troll again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's trolls ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
a+
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 23 May 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link
GG pwned Bill Maher a few weeks ago x1000 when he was off on one of his usual blaming everything on religious extremism tangents.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 23 May 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
morbs: yes, rrrrreally
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
C'mon HST just rejiggered Teddy Roosevelt's imperialism from Hiroshima on, and JFK ran with it.
trolling me about israel is so easy that even morbz can do it
Which side of your reversible Bibi Netanyahu/Cole Hamels pajamas are you wearing now?
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link
well yeah, but i don't see that as a system 'automatically perpetuating' itself so much as a series of presidents actively and aggressively seizing more and more power for themselves (enabled by congress, natch). trust me, no truman/JFK apologist here!
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link
i do have a soft spot for TR despite the obv problems.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
TR is a complicated figure.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:56 (ten years ago) link
C'mon HST just rejiggered Teddy Roosevelt's imperialism
what on earth does this mean?
Harry taught TR how to dance?
i initially read it as 'hunter s. thompson just rejiggered teddy roosevelt's imperialism.'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
My main problem with GG is personal. Set the politics aside and he's a pompous ass who responds to all criticism with sneering and condescension. I could agree with everything he says and still think he's a dick.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
that is the only way to respond to people who are wrong.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
GG is a pretty nice guy in person.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link
That's interesting. I've heard the opposite.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:17 (ten years ago) link
it means that if you stand on san juan hill and look north you can almost see the high-water mark
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:17 (ten years ago) link
He seems like he'd be nice irl... Nerdy, earnest, literal-minded xp
― Treeship, Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
i saw him speak last year and chatted with him for about 10 minutes afterward and he was really nice, i assume he gets out all his aggression through vicious exchanges on twitter.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
tbh i'd be a dick sometimes too if ppl kept calling me a libertarian.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
I agree with DL though. I don't like the rhetorical style where u act like your opinions are SO OBVIOUS that it's a shock when someone doesnt automatically agree with you. Jezebel is like this, I think, and it's annoying to me even when i agree with them which is often.
― Treeship, Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
xp Anyone can be decent chatting to someone who agrees with them but I can't think of another major pundit, left or right, who is so pompous and graceless when responding to even mild dissent, except maybe Bill O'Reilly.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 23 May 2013 19:41 (ten years ago) link
― Mordy , Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:15 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
tbh i didnt know you were 'into' israel until a few weeks ago. thought you were one of the good ones b4 that
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:30 (ten years ago) link
oh well now you know the awful truth that i am a bad one
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:33 (ten years ago) link
thought you were one of the good ones
damn fine trolling there. he raised his game a notch.
― Aimless, Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:35 (ten years ago) link
yeah, that's the thing. trolling me about israel is so easy that even morbz can do it.
Morbz has a pretty low batting average but tremendous trolling power when he connects.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:38 (ten years ago) link
good slugging percentage tho
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link
i'm very sincere when it comes to issues of jewishness and israel. it involves my family and friends and it is something i feel very emotional about. i try very hard on ilx to discuss it intelligently and engage ppl in legitimate debate on the topic. i suppose it's fair game to troll me on it but when i read morbz do it, or hungry4ass, or gukbe, or the numerous ppl on ilx who have trolled me on the issue, i feel momentarily sad and disappointed and i try not to get into a fight about it. on the other hand if it seems like someone has a legitimate point they want to discuss, it's one of my favorite things to talk about.
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
so yeah, good trolling dudes. i got the feels or however the kids describe it these days.
― Mordy , Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:41 (ten years ago) link
sorry.
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link
mordy if this pathetic routine is just a ploy to make us feel sympathy for you and your racist settler state... well then it's working--come on in for a hug ya big ole lump!
― flopson, Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
lol
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link
mordy -- my political perspective is obv a bit different from yours but i actually genuinely appreciate + have learned from your posts on this subject, and sincerely regret if i've ever trolled you abt it (i can't remember, but my penchant for posting lazily ill-thought-out quippy stuff on political threads while at work tells me i prob have).
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link
yeah i learn a lot from mordy posts and i have to think about stuff in ways i haven't before, so thanks
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 23 May 2013 23:50 (ten years ago) link
GG's passions do seem obviously on-target to me, as does how the Israeli government tends to act against its own long-term interests re the Palestinian question.
but complaining about self-righteousness re an 'indefensible' subject lol i guess
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 May 2013 00:51 (ten years ago) link
Drone attacks continue, the FBI killed an unarmed witness, and Obama aides cash in
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 June 2013 15:41 (ten years ago) link
Update
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Monday, 3 June 2013 15:46 (ten years ago) link
American expat wears cargo shorts with gay Brazilian lover, Beltway elite shrug
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 June 2013 15:47 (ten years ago) link
Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily
The order directs Verizon to "continue production on an ongoing daily basis thereafter for the duration of this order". It specifies that the records to be produced include "session identifying information", such as "originating and terminating number", the duration of each call, telephone calling card numbers, trunk identifiers, International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) number, and "comprehensive communication routing information".The information is classed as "metadata", or transactional information, rather than communications, and so does not require individual warrants to access. The document also specifies that such "metadata" is not limited to the aforementioned items. A 2005 court ruling judged that cell site location data – the nearest cell tower a phone was connected to – was also transactional data, and so could potentially fall under the scope of the order....The court order appears to explain the numerous cryptic public warnings by two US senators, Ron Wyden and Mark Udall, about the scope of the Obama administration's surveillance activities.For roughly two years, the two Democrats have been stridently advising the public that the US government is relying on "secret legal interpretations" to claim surveillance powers so broad that the American public would be "stunned" to learn of the kind of domestic spying being conducted.Because those activities are classified, the senators, both members of the Senate intelligence committee, have been prevented from specifying which domestic surveillance programs they find so alarming. But the information they have been able to disclose in their public warnings perfectly tracks both the specific law cited by the April 25 court order as well as the vast scope of record-gathering it authorized.Julian Sanchez, a surveillance expert with the Cato Institute, explained: "We've certainly seen the government increasingly strain the bounds of 'relevance' to collect large numbers of records at once — everyone at one or two degrees of separation from a target — but vacuuming all metadata up indiscriminately would be an extraordinary repudiation of any pretence of constraint or particularized suspicion." The April order requested by the FBI and NSA does precisely that.
The information is classed as "metadata", or transactional information, rather than communications, and so does not require individual warrants to access. The document also specifies that such "metadata" is not limited to the aforementioned items. A 2005 court ruling judged that cell site location data – the nearest cell tower a phone was connected to – was also transactional data, and so could potentially fall under the scope of the order.
...
The court order appears to explain the numerous cryptic public warnings by two US senators, Ron Wyden and Mark Udall, about the scope of the Obama administration's surveillance activities.
For roughly two years, the two Democrats have been stridently advising the public that the US government is relying on "secret legal interpretations" to claim surveillance powers so broad that the American public would be "stunned" to learn of the kind of domestic spying being conducted.
Because those activities are classified, the senators, both members of the Senate intelligence committee, have been prevented from specifying which domestic surveillance programs they find so alarming. But the information they have been able to disclose in their public warnings perfectly tracks both the specific law cited by the April 25 court order as well as the vast scope of record-gathering it authorized.
Julian Sanchez, a surveillance expert with the Cato Institute, explained: "We've certainly seen the government increasingly strain the bounds of 'relevance' to collect large numbers of records at once — everyone at one or two degrees of separation from a target — but vacuuming all metadata up indiscriminately would be an extraordinary repudiation of any pretence of constraint or particularized suspicion." The April order requested by the FBI and NSA does precisely that.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 6 June 2013 02:14 (ten years ago) link
in which new guy ackerman & greenwald deliver
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 6 June 2013 02:17 (ten years ago) link
This guy does good work.
― waterface, Thursday, 6 June 2013 02:38 (ten years ago) link
thx
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 6 June 2013 02:40 (ten years ago) link
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 6 June 2013 03:54 (ten years ago) link
lmao i cant IMAGINE what the original draft of that greenwald piece looked like
― max, Thursday, 6 June 2013 11:24 (ten years ago) link
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2013 12:24 (ten years ago) link
Good work GG. I may not like him but credit where it's due.
Actually I like him more every time I see the walking-the-dogs picture. That doesn't look like a guy who would question my reading comprehension.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:07 (ten years ago) link
i wore cargo shorts last weekend tbh
― lipitor retriever (brownie), Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:10 (ten years ago) link
It's a good look
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:11 (ten years ago) link
prefer skinny shorts, neutral-colored flip-flops, Labradors, and a Constitution.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:12 (ten years ago) link
They were discussing this article plus a drone operator's interview with NBC on "Morning Joe" this morning, and Joe was predicting Holder would soon be going through Greenwald's phone records
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:27 (ten years ago) link
and by Greenwald's phone records you mean
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:29 (ten years ago) link
I will leave the jokes to you.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:33 (ten years ago) link
do we have to use the Crazed Zionist's thread to praise GG?
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 June 2013 14:03 (ten years ago) link
wow dude
― ttyih boi (crüt), Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:13 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFRbZJXjWIA
― how's life, Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:14 (ten years ago) link
When is it time to let go of a friendship?
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:17 (ten years ago) link
yeah i said "wow dude" when he started a trollthread just cuz moral objections to the manifest destiny of Israel gets his shorts in a bunch
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:21 (ten years ago) link
I'm sorry you're sick dude but damn if you're not the biggest dick on ilx.
― Mordy , Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's definitely your noble political impulses & not your bitter misanthropic rage driving your personal attacks on Mordy. you have such undying compassion for the palestinian people that you can't help but sprinkle your snark with some light anti-Semitism. get the fuck outta here.
― ttyih boi (crüt), Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link
tsk tsk don't let bigots get away with that smokescreen
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link
― ttyih boi (crüt), Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:28 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
― ttyih boi (crüt), Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
― ttyih boi (crüt), Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:28 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
lol, antisemitism. they got to u too huh curt
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
btw i practice a warm, seductive misanthropy.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
i practice a warm, seductive flag post
― Mordy , Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
roots of creation, airwair
― how's life, Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:45 (ten years ago) link
Greenwald's piece on James Comey, the Bush official nominated to be the next FBI director was worth reading
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 6 June 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
― Mordy , Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:43 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nice
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 6 June 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link
― the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Thursday, 6 June 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
get the fuck outta here.
point taken
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 June 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
Rep. Louie Gohmert: "We've all got an Obama phone now"
― polyphonic, Thursday, 6 June 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
hahahahaha
― balls, Thursday, 6 June 2013 22:41 (ten years ago) link
that line is funnier than anything jon stewart might say tonight
― balls, Thursday, 6 June 2013 22:42 (ten years ago) link
You're not alone.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2013 23:09 (ten years ago) link
welp greenwald is owning us all the last couple days
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 June 2013 23:15 (ten years ago) link
carrying us around in one of his many pockets
― lipitor retriever (brownie), Thursday, 6 June 2013 23:48 (ten years ago) link
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 58sI wish English language were broader so I could express my simultaneous contempt & mockery for the investigation threats emanating from DC
ha hes still not a very good writer tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 June 2013 23:55 (ten years ago) link
http://twitter.yfrog.com/z/4jg2jrj
The bird/key logo is pretty terrible too
― polyphonic, Thursday, 6 June 2013 23:56 (ten years ago) link
don't really get the complaints about his writing, he's not mencken or anything but i can think of like a dozen prominent bloggers who are much worse stylists
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 6 June 2013 23:59 (ten years ago) link
yes, it's the fault of the english language
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 7 June 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
Spyware built in from the first grunts.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 June 2013 00:08 (ten years ago) link
The next Zeitgeist movie is gonna be so dope
― polyphonic, Friday, 7 June 2013 00:21 (ten years ago) link
Will Saletan: BOW YOUR HEADS!
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/06/stop_the_nsa_surveillance_hysteria_the_government_s_scrutiny_of_verizon.html
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 7 June 2013 00:21 (ten years ago) link
@BarackObama 25m
"In a country where we expect free wifi with our coffee, why shouldn't we have it in our schools?" —President Obama in North Carolina today
GOOD TIMING
― polyphonic, Friday, 7 June 2013 00:25 (ten years ago) link
he said "Chill"!
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 00:27 (ten years ago) link
More good timing:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113399/nsa-collecting-verizon-records-why-internet-companies-fight-back
― polyphonic, Friday, 7 June 2013 00:32 (ten years ago) link
My privacy is safe with Google. They do not collect data about me or share it with others.
^^ plz repeat until believed
― Aimless, Friday, 7 June 2013 01:02 (ten years ago) link
http://s1.dmcdn.net/a5cU/526x297-iik.jpg
"My name is Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht."
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 01:06 (ten years ago) link
NY Times!
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 11:21 (ten years ago) link
So he lives in Brazil
― curmudgeon, Friday, 7 June 2013 13:28 (ten years ago) link
he wears cargo shorts too
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 13:28 (ten years ago) link
Maybe you should post that photo one more time
― curmudgeon, Friday, 7 June 2013 13:30 (ten years ago) link
“The N.S.A. is kind of the crown jewel in government secrecy. I expect them to react even more extremely,” Mr. Greenwald said in a telephone interview. He said that he had been advised by lawyer friends that “he should be worried,” but he had decided that “what I am doing is exactly what the Constitution is about and I am not worried about it.”
Seems a little paranoid
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 13:31 (ten years ago) link
hahahaha
he's clearly hoping the government goes after him
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 13:32 (ten years ago) link
"oh plz not the briar patch!"
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 13:33 (ten years ago) link
Jesus Christ Mordy
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 13:33 (ten years ago) link
is there any doubt? i'm sure he'd love to confront the US government head on and in the public eye.
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 13:47 (ten years ago) link
you're right mordy, what a ridiculous person
― k3vin k., Friday, 7 June 2013 14:06 (ten years ago) link
the opposite of silly i'd think. such a confrontation would be very good from his pov.
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 14:12 (ten years ago) link
*obama drone strikes glenn greenwald's brazilian sex mansion, leaving only a charred pair of cargo shorts*
[glenn greenwald in Macklemore - thrift sthop voice] This is fucking awesome
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:16 (ten years ago) link
― ttyih boi (crüt), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:17 (ten years ago) link
i'm sure any government response won't involve dropping a drone on glenn, and i don't think that's what he's expecting. he's probably expecting some legal action ala manning or assange.
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link
more likely some kind of sex crimes charge
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:19 (ten years ago) link
if you can't imagine why he'd want to get involved in a public legal battle w/ the united states government i think you don't really get glenn greenwald
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 14:19 (ten years ago) link
ya if he goes to jail he'll be a national celebrity / reddit martyr etc
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link
Guys, only Mordy "gets" Glenn Greenwald
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link
what if waterface were gleen greenwald
The only way Gleen Gleenwald is going to jail is if the fashion police arrest him for his corgi shorts.
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link
walderface
― ttyih boi (crüt), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link
i don't really "get" waterface - does it have a point?
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 14:22 (ten years ago) link
waterface is a personification of all the bile and assholishness on ilx over the last decade, if everyone just started being nice to each other waterface would just disappear
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:26 (ten years ago) link
nah man you can't pin him down. he's a slippery one, that waterface.
― ttyih boi (crüt), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
Being at the center of a debate is a comfortable place for Mr. Greenwald, 46, who came to mainstream journalism through his own blog, which he started in 2005. Before that he was a lawyer, including working 18 months at the high-powered New York firm Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz, where he represented large corporate clients.
What was the thread where I defended the appointment of former "corporate lawyers" to regulatory positions and said that I knew big firm lawyers who were further left than any of my other friends, and I got mocked for it?
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/07/whistleblowers-and-leak-investigations
― the naturalism is fine butt (Eazy), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
I think I'm nice!
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:29 (ten years ago) link
I'm just a truth teller
you are the darkness inside of all of us
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:29 (ten years ago) link
I am Shiva, destroyer of words
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:31 (ten years ago) link
you are a weak version of a tired archetype but it's cool to have you on board
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link
Thank you, Spiral!
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:39 (ten years ago) link
he's probably expecting some legal action ala manning or assange.
― Mordy , Friday, June 7, 2013 10:18 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok you undersand that manning already is going to be in jail for decades and if he's convicted on the other charges he could be in jail for life.
so no i don't think greenwald would 'welcome' this?
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
well, Manning leaked the information whereas Greenwald benefitted from a whistleblower. Now's the time to wonder whether Eric Holder will keep to his week-old promise not to prosecute journalists who publish this sort of intel.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link
why did you put the word welcome between apostrophes?
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), F
Not sure you got mocked for it (Supreme Court thread maybe re Obama corporate law, Bush admin. attorney nominee for DC Circuit)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 7 June 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
---------- Forwarded message ----------From: Andrew Sullivan <>Date: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:31 PMSubject: Re: glenn greenwaldTo: "Kaufman, Leslie" <
I count Glenn as an honest blogger whose passions in real time can sometimes lead to misreadings of others. But we're all vulnerable to that in the blogosphere, and in our various spats, I've always enjoyed the give-and-take, rather than resenting some of the occasionally unfair barbs. They come with the territory. But once you get into a debate with him, it can be hard to get the last word. A friend described debating him as like engaging with a rhetorical trampoline. But I actually enjoy rhetorical trampolining, as long as no one gets hurt too much. I do not take anything he writes about my work personally.His passion is a great antidote to the insidery access-driven village of Washington journalism, but at times, I think he has little grip on what it actually means to govern a country or run a war. He's a purist in a way that, in my view, constrains the sophistication of his work.Yes, we're friends. We've hung out a bit, and are bonded by a couple of things. He relies on readers for much of his income (and I rely on readers for all of mine) - and has made online debate much sharper in many ways. I've benefited from his criticism, even as I remain to his "right." And he is forced to live abroad with his partner David because the US refuses to acknowledge the validity and dignity of bi-national gay couples. I was in that exact position for a long time with my American husband - and our shared experience matters a lot to me. Our husbands have also bonded over the same issue.And I genuinely like him as a human being.you can use any all or none of thatcheersandrew
― hector_doepos, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
I think thats a good reading of GG... ^^^
"ugh, the worst, right? anyway, i just really wanted to share this lustrous takedown of him from some guy's blog i don't know:http://jacobinism.blogspot.co.il/2013/05/drooling-self-love-dime-store-third.html"
Mordy's initial post is terrible.. incredibly biased.... clearly GG doesn't fit into 'defend the indefensible'
― hector_doepos, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
that jacobinism article.... is ... just.....
so who leaked the NSA stuff?
― akm, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
As Mr. Greenwald tells it, the last decade has been a slow political awakening. “When 9/11 happened, I thought Bush was doing a good job,” he said. “I was sucking up uncritically what was in the air.”
This surprised me but it explains a lot - the zeal of a convert.
Wish the thread title was changed too.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
Corner ites often allude to Greenwald's past.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
So Sully knows how to run a country and start a war eh
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
^my thoughts exactly
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
xp Oh great, what splendid company to be in.
David Simon weighs in - "bullshit" apparently
http://davidsimon.com/we-are-shocked-shocked/
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
Allow for a comparable example, dating to the early 1980s in a place called Baltimore, Maryland.There, city detectives once began to suspect that major traffickers were using a combination of public pay phones and digital pagers to communicate their business. And they took their suspicions to a judge and obtained court orders — not to monitor any particular suspect, but to instead cull the dialed numbers from the thousands and thousands of calls made to and from certain city pay phones....All of that — even in the less fevered, pre-Patriot Act days of yore — was entirely legal. Why?Because they aren’t listening to the calls.
There, city detectives once began to suspect that major traffickers were using a combination of public pay phones and digital pagers to communicate their business. And they took their suspicions to a judge and obtained court orders — not to monitor any particular suspect, but to instead cull the dialed numbers from the thousands and thousands of calls made to and from certain city pay phones.
...All of that — even in the less fevered, pre-Patriot Act days of yore — was entirely legal. Why?
Because they aren’t listening to the calls.
i distinctly remember mcnulty listening in to the actual calls
― Z S, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
considering the many year existence of the israel suck it thread, i think you guys can deal w/ the title of this thread
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G4LXzA6PezQ/TpnXosoh0CI/AAAAAAAAACM/v1_-8N10W_U/s1600/DEAL-WITH-IT.jpg
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
Hmmm the title of that thread is "Israel TO WORLD: 'Suck it!'" not "Israel, suck it!" but OK.
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
that was herc and prez!
― j., Friday, 7 June 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
@ggreenwald: I'll be on with Anderson Cooper tonight discussing the various disclosures, along with . . . Ari Fleischer.
― polyphonic, Friday, 7 June 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link
hah
― lag∞n, Friday, 7 June 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
david simon can suck it
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 7 June 2013 23:37 (ten years ago) link
Greenwald's local roots.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 June 2013 02:35 (ten years ago) link
panicked libertarians and liberals and Obama-haters
sort of thought simon was above this tbh
― k3vin k., Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link
there are some cheap shots in there but also some good points? idk i thought it was interesting
― flopson, Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link
simon isnt really above anything, his shows are real good but as an essayist he p belligerent and awful
― lag∞n, Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:38 (ten years ago) link
the belligerent parts of that were so funny tho
― flopson, Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:47 (ten years ago) link
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, June 7, 2013 7:37 PM
OTM x10
― now is not the time for motorboating (dandydonweiner), Saturday, 8 June 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link
shit, I forgot that GG practiced apartheid and wholesale slaughter.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 June 2013 06:49 (ten years ago) link
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 8mDear NYT: no matter how often you call us "British site," it won't stop being factually false. Rise up above those petty resentments.
emptywheel @emptywheel 5m@ggreenwald But you're still a loner. Admit it.
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 2m@emptywheel Will you be my friend, Marcy?
― lag∞n, Sunday, 9 June 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link
David Simon is the rich man's Buzz Bissinger.
― polyphonic, Sunday, 9 June 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
Calling the Guardian a "British news site" is hilariously petty coming from the NYT
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 9 June 2013 19:19 (ten years ago) link
http://twitter.com/edwardsnowden
― markers, Sunday, 9 June 2013 19:22 (ten years ago) link
"Yes, I could be rendered by the CIA. I could have people come after me. Or any of the third-party partners. They work closely with a number of other nations. Or they could pay off the Triads. Any of their agents or assets," he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link
This guy hiding out in HK really underscores how fucked we are.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link
True.
I wonder if he is still in HK though? The interview was taped three days ago, he might have moved?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 9 June 2013 21:05 (ten years ago) link
He's in Hong Kong. He's living a Zevon song.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 9 June 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link
send bloggers, guns and money
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Sunday, 9 June 2013 22:51 (ten years ago) link
so snowden peaced out
disappear or disappeared?
#teamedward
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
Hayes Brown @HayesBrown 5mRep. Peter King just blatantly called for @ggreenwald's arrest on Fox News. Amazing.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
Greenwald cohort seem to possess a belief that only the rich or privileged can be evil, and a weird almost autistic inability to recognize cultural or ideological (non-economic) fascism. OTOH, fuck Rep. Peter King.
― MV, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
you're right, focusing on your area of expertise as a writer clearly means an 'autistic' lack of interest in anything else
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
Weird almost autistic inability to read a sentence?
― MV, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link
Which Greenwald cohort? Snowden? Where does he (or whichever "cohort" you are talking about) express views as you suggest? Can you flesh out your varying types of fascism argument?
Maybe I missed something upthread.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 21:25 (ten years ago) link
Cohort is a plural, curmudgeon.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 21:32 (ten years ago) link
Ah, it is. So who's in this group?
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 21:34 (ten years ago) link
What are you talking about MV? What other types of fascism?
― Treeship, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 21:37 (ten years ago) link
Sorry i see now curmudgeon's covered those questions
― Treeship, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 21:38 (ten years ago) link
Greenwald cohort seem to possess a belief that only the rich or privileged can be evil, and a weird almost autistic inability to recognize cultural or ideological (non-economic) fascism.
so sick of people calling Greenwald autistic.
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link
Islamofascism, d00ds. Ever think about THAT, u aspie fux?
― MV
― a giant death ray seems a bit overkill (Viceroy), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
i remember a while back a bunch of prominent liberal bloggers decided that greenwald was obviously a libertarian because he 'never wrote about labor issues.'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
i think there are certain writers who do write as if they are the only writer you read but idk if glenn greenwald is one. he's, yknow, a channel.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 23:15 (ten years ago) link
i guess no good writer would write that way.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 23:16 (ten years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/14/glenn-greenwald-reader-profile-interactive#615
what the hell
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Friday, 14 June 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
sad libs
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2013 20:52 (ten years ago) link
in 10 years the front page of the nyt will be nothing but crowdsourced mad libs
― iatee, Friday, 14 June 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
Glenn Greenwald, a dominant hero for the Guardian, whose writing has been described as erotic, revealed orgasmic new information regarding the NSA and its surveillance programs last week.
- A humble student from Michigan
― Mordy , Friday, 14 June 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link
this is the saddest media thing I've ever seen, and last week I saw this: a thread for local TV news insanity
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Friday, 14 June 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link
we have a thread for the guardian. load all messages for ten years of increasing disillusionment.
― caek, Sunday, 16 June 2013 09:16 (ten years ago) link
― Michigan seems like a dream to me now (Treeship), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:41 PMBookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― *rad hug eomticon* (Control Z), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link
^^He went from lawyer to blogger to journalist without ever really having an editor.
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link
^^^ tagline of Greenwald biopic
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 June 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link
GG is a fine writer imo, i'd take his dogged earnestness over a dozen jaded quipsters like alex pareene any day
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 17 June 2013 01:51 (ten years ago) link
i.f. stone was not a great stylist either, yknow
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 17 June 2013 01:52 (ten years ago) link
As a lover of both, not a good comparison.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 June 2013 01:57 (ten years ago) link
pareene could stand to ditch the bloggy voice (this goes for almost everyone who blogs) but he's always a good read
― look at my watch/I'm in the club and everyone's looking at me/fuck th (k3vin k.), Monday, 17 June 2013 06:18 (ten years ago) link
actually i really like pareene, he's not the best example, just the first one that popped to mind.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 17 June 2013 07:19 (ten years ago) link
How much do you want to bet that before the summer is out we'll be saying stuff like "Wow, you'd think Greenwald would've known to not take his car down a canyon at night. SMH I guess he really liked to live on the edge."
― Cunga, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link
hmmmmmm nope
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link
Richard Clarke, the former chief counter-terrorism adviser on the National Security Council, believes that Hasting’s death may have been the result of a cyberattack on his car.
http://www.ibtimes.com/michael-hastings-car-hacking-theory-latest-attempt-explain-suspicious-death-richard-clarke-says#
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 00:28 (ten years ago) link
do you guys even think Obama knows who michael hastings is
― iatee, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 00:31 (ten years ago) link
Sure. He reads Andrew Sullivan.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 00:32 (ten years ago) link
oh no buzzfeed is turning against me I guess I have to kill some people
― iatee, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 00:34 (ten years ago) link
maybe the white house should start an animated gif department to counter buzzfeed's gaining influence, also then they won't have to kill so many journalists
when the us govt wants to get rid of a journalist it doesnt kill him it tries to leverage access w/ other papers and influential ppl to discredit him and prevent him from getting a job. and maybe he kills himself later or something, but it doesnt matter.
when it wants to kill a us citizen it connects him with terrorism and sends a drone in
it doesnt... hack... his car. i mean the sort of willful disregard of the actually weirdly open and transparent workings of power here, which hastings himself had mentioned in the past!
like, if someone said, the MOB took him out, i might buy that?
without even knowing hastings it seems p clear that the poor guy was strung out and paranoid in the final weeks of his life, not hard to end up crashing your car at 4am in a state of mind like that
i suppose you could arrange a kind of aaron swartz style path of causation. but the fbi wasnt investigating him.
― max, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
max is only saying this so he doesn't get killed
― iatee, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 01:00 (ten years ago) link
max u better check the firewall on yr kick scooter
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 01:03 (ten years ago) link
that being said i guarantee you obama knows who hastings is. hastings is the reason he fired mcchrystal!
― max, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 01:03 (ten years ago) link
Max this is exactly what the government wants you to think, that it won't go down like this. Think abt it.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 01:08 (ten years ago) link
guys you realize richard clarke sees cyberattacks EVERYWHERE right? i mean if you're looking at one individual to point at as to why we have this ridiculously large cyber intel infrastructure now clarke's yr man.
― balls, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 01:09 (ten years ago) link
guys i dont think the government killed michael hastings or will try to kill gg or snowden ftr
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 01:09 (ten years ago) link
i just think its sort of insane and lol that ~richard clarke~ implied this
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 01:10 (ten years ago) link
guys
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 01:11 (ten years ago) link
i mean give the guy credit for blasting the bush admin's incompetence leading to 9/11 (condi rice hadn't even heard of al qaeda on 9/11, head of the fucking nsa) and their immediate (as in 9/12) move to focus on iraq but he's the classic case of maslow's hammer. dude was still beating the 'cyberattacks is the terrorism, WE MUST DIRECT ALL EFFORTS TOWARD FUTURE CYBERWARS!' drum after 9/11 (when it seemed pretty apparent that 'splosions would probably remain the terrorism of the near future at least).
― balls, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 01:18 (ten years ago) link
here comes the character assassination: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/greenwald-reporter-broke-nsa-story-lawyer-sued-porn-biz-article-1.1383448
― Gukbe, Thursday, 27 June 2013 05:17 (ten years ago) link
Haas said he called the deal off because Greenwald was “demanding changes to the content of the videos which were and are unacceptable.”
suits thinking they have artistic talent smh
― lag∞n, Thursday, 27 June 2013 05:46 (ten years ago) link
In a 2003 lawsuit, he and his then partner, Werner Achetz, were sued by their West Side condo board for having a dog that was bigger than building by-laws allowed.
oh man Glenn I take back everything nice I ever said about you
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 27 June 2013 12:32 (ten years ago) link
most damning is that his consulting company was called Master Notions
― chinavision!, Thursday, 27 June 2013 13:13 (ten years ago) link
Bit of a fluff piece but worth reading. His family grew up 25 miles north of me.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/how-glenn-greenwald-became-glenn-greenwald
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 June 2013 01:04 (ten years ago) link
i haven't read greenwald in years but what other journalists are trying to do to him is fucking gross
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 June 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link
the hagiography should make up for it
― Mordy , Saturday, 29 June 2013 02:06 (ten years ago) link
not really
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 29 June 2013 12:07 (ten years ago) link
Daily News article is bizarre, but I guess Daily News is bizarre.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 29 June 2013 13:30 (ten years ago) link
This is pretty tremendous: http://youtu.be/Uulv4ve6RJ8
― Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 29 June 2013 19:50 (ten years ago) link
have to admit i was pleasantly surprised he kept the conference on his schedule after all this stuff broke, i thought he might bail to avoid "zomg look greenwald is a socialist" bs
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 June 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
socialist, libertarian, whats the difference
― k3vin k., Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
step 1 spend your life promoting government paranoia step 2 socialism
― iatee, Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
a thing that exists xp
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
heh, yeah, i remember that wiki article really blowing my mind in 10th grade
― flopson, Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
it's....not a very coherent ideology
― iatee, Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
kinda bummed that a hoos thought he had to post that for me tbh
― k3vin k., Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
just like man up and go full maoist or go home imo
― flopson, Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
cf black flame, the existence of competing ideas under a name with disputed claims doesn't make the strain with a historical claim to legitimacy incoherent
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link
but that's another thread
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link
socialists want to fix the government, iatee... fix it BUT GOOD
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link
idk it's interesting how infrequently that narrative comes out
― iatee, Sunday, 30 June 2013 18:08 (ten years ago) link
hate the government reading yr emails ur gonna love the government telling you where to work
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 July 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
thx to this thread i always mentally interpose a "fuckin" whenever i read this dude's name
― flopson, Monday, 1 July 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
mordy fucking mordy
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 July 2013 05:07 (ten years ago) link
the dead man switch would make an awesome tom ripley novel scenario ~
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/13/reuters-article-dead-man-s-switch
The oft-repeated claim that Snowden's intent is to harm the US is completely negated by the reality that he has all sorts of documents that could quickly and seriously harm the US if disclosed, yet he has published none of those. When he gave us the documents he provided, he repeatedly insisted that we exercise rigorous journalistic judgment in deciding which documents should be published in the public interest and which ones should be concealed on the ground that the harm of publication outweighs the public value. If his intent were to harm the US, he could have sold all the documents he had for a great deal of money, or indiscriminately published them, or passed them to a foreign adversary. He did none of that.
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 July 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow
this is pretty amazing
― k3vin k., Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
Mr. Miranda, 28, was questioned about the curious cargo shorts he wears in every photo extant of him and his partner Greenwald
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link
absolutely disgusting
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:32 (ten years ago) link
yeah. really shocking. v curious to hear about the fallout, it seems stunningly confrontational, & at such a heated moment.
― szarkasm (schlump), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:38 (ten years ago) link
according to twitter, in the UK the rent-a-cops (or whatever you'd like to call the airport security) don't even need suspicion to detain someone for 9 hours, under their antiterrorism statute
― k3vin k., Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link
This fucking thread title never ceases to annoy me.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:45 (ten years ago) link
has greenwald been back to the US since the snowden stuff started?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:48 (ten years ago) link
nah, he even skyped in to conference he'd been scheduled to keynote in chicago
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:41 (ten years ago) link
nine fucking hours
what assholes
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 19 August 2013 14:02 (ten years ago) link
really just so dumb
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link
crazy they have his stuff.
― szarkasm (schlump), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
This is pretty shitty but goddamn it Greenwald please stop writing things like "This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ."
STOP MINDREADING THE INTENTIONS OF BUREAUCRATS, GLENN. I strongly suspect the reality of the situation was somewhere NEAR what he says but shading ever-so-slightly towards "stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds", which is the explanation for 99.9% of all airport detentions everywhere. I think. I guess. But I'm not going to write that in a newspaper unless I can prove it. That never stops Glenn. He knows what everyone is thinking.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link
Those stopped have no automatic right to legal advice and it is a criminal offence to refuse to co-operate with questioning under schedule 7
this is fucking crazy.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
I strongly suspect the reality of the situation was somewhere NEAR what he says but shading ever-so-slightly towards "stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds"
but like, 9 hours? specifically asking about his reporting?
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
Did he ever get his phone and laptop back?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
That never stops Glenn. He knows what everyone is thinking.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, August 19, 2013 12:17 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yup
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
It sounds like not? Which is like, stealing, by most definitions???
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=0
Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.
― R'LIAH (goole), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
I just don't see how they can do they if the guy hasn't been charged. It's not like a bag of weed. It's a USB stick.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link
at borders they can pretty much just take stuff generally
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
part of why they went out of business
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:46 (ten years ago) link
they're still chill at barnes & noble tho
xpost dammit
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link
tracer it's in one of the articles that less than 1% of airport detentions under the same provisions last for the full 9 hours
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link
"stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds", which is the explanation for 99.9% of all airport detentions everywhere = this is the 0.1%
i would certainly be interested in knowing who gave the order
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-xB_tkBXOw00/UR1cnnmfB2I/AAAAAAAAa3g/VKgKt-edapc/Jack-Nicolson-you-cant-handle-the-tr.jpg?imgmax=800
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
turns out it was snowden
xp dammit
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
n/m cant handle it
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
This is a country, like the US, without a bill of rights.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:52 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Act_1998
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:53 (ten years ago) link
this is almost certainly illegal, it's just it would take years for any actual ruling affirming it
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:54 (ten years ago) link
OK sure, maybe, who knows, but Greenwald just goes ahead and says it like it's cast-iron truth that the (UK?) AUTHORITIES are sending a MESSAGE to JOURNALISTS to TREAD LIGHTLY. i mean really? is that really what the UKBA are doing? or are they just power-hungry bastards who thought they smelled a tip that confidential info might be crossing a border and figured they'd put the guy through the wringer? if they were the kind of illuminati that greenwald makes them out to be they'd have realized a mile away that giving dude this kind of treatment would reap nothing but shit
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
I dunno. I might be scared of dating a Greenwald in the future?
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, August 19, 2013 12:56 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you are describing the same thing twice, only in the second scenario they aren't as good at it
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
the ukba being retards and the ukba having authorization from the home office or equivalent are not mutually exclusive possibilities
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
or are they just power-hungry bastards who thought they smelled a tip that confidential info might be crossing a border and figured they'd put the guy through the wringer?
How is this different than indeed sending a message to tread lightly?!
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
its the authorities fucking w greenwalds sex life for sure, open yr eyes
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
if they were 'just sniffing' it wouldn't take nine hours
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link
I don't get why they're exchanging documents that way when public key cryptography exists. Good luck trying to break a 15360-bit RSA key. Literally you could just send stuff to each other via gmail, using your real name, with body text "here are some more secret documents from Snowden, enjoy!" It is dramatic though.
― eris bueller (lukas), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link
yeah the implication is the same xxp
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 August 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link
i think the differentiation tracer is making is if it was the bad idea of some lower level functionaries or the plotting of higher level functionaries
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:01 (ten years ago) link
greenwald has a hyperbolic prose style, everyone knows this, i haven't read his article about this anyway but the reasons for what happened are fairly obvious, if not provably so
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:01 (ten years ago) link
which is imho a meaningful differince
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link
higher level functionaries, with 98% certainty
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link
there u go
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link
and like, i dunno. come on. if greenwald likes to imagine that he's in a spy novel he should start acting like it. if you are in possession of info that multiple national governments have classified as confidental and detrimental to national security if disclosed, etc etc then you don't just get a magical shield with "journalist" written on the front of it that means nobody hassles you about it when you're crossing borders with it. maybe in greenwald's ideal world you do, but if anybody knows how far from that ideal the world we live in is, it should be greenwald. now, i think the snowden info is important and needs to be known by the public. but you have to be a little smarter than sending your extremely cute and relatively well-known boyfriend through several countries to act as a courier for information that you know is highly contentious!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, August 19, 2013 1:02 PM (1 minute ago)
the higherups who authorized it will never admit it though, it's the only inference to draw
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 August 2013 17:04 (ten years ago) link
If your boyfriend was detained the max limit without arresting him while you're publishing revelatory NSA stuff who ordered it is immaterial. Remember "denialibility"?
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
It's a meaningful difference, maybe, but the outcome is the same: you can get held for nine hours, your stuff taken away from you, and basic human rights don't count any more.
Whether it was Camerom himself or just two cops goofing about it important, I agree, but in both cases it is clear that as a journalist - or partner of, even - you aren't safe.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
Tracer, I question whether David Miranda is cute.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
you have to be a little smarter than sending your extremely cute and relatively well-known boyfriend through several countries to act as a courier for information that you know is highly contentious!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:03 (1 minute ago)
uhm that is the assumption the ukba or their superiors made
there is no suggestion his boyfriend was actually carrying state secrets on his wii or whatever
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link
He's relatively well known for a photo in which he walks a dog in cargo shorts and flip-flops.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link
There's no way they would have even known who he was without someone at a reasonably high level telling them. The security services would almost certainly have been involved, I think.
― Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:09 (ten years ago) link
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 1:06 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
when you cross borders you surrender a lot of rights, they can search you take yr stuff etc, you enter into this situation voluntarily via crossing the border, tho in this case he was just transferring at the airport which obvs complicates the situaiton
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
Pretty tacky dog imo
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
Yes. And what complicates it even more is that he is GG's partner.
Xp
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
― Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Monday, August 19, 2013 1:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah he was for sure at least on some watch list, which is pretty dubious
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link
Tracer, it sounds like you're saying this isn't dubious behavior because Greenwald (a) didn't figure this could happen and (b) writes hyperbolic prose.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
naw hes saying greenwald is jumping to conclusions re the machinations that led to the dunbiousnes
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
and like, i dunno. come on. if greenwald likes to imagine that he's in a spy novel he should start acting like it.
I like to think that Miranda was a decoy and this was specifically to write hyperbolic prose about because he knew it would happen. The real docs went some secure digital way, as above.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
I mean if it's a spy novel that's like Misdirection 101.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
there were no real docs, its all a ruse in order to... blog
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
can the UKBA do this 9hr detention with olbigation to cooperate thing to british citizens too?
― caek, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link
usb sticks? wtf?
yes. i'm also saying that he should choose maybe a more sneaky way of transferring extremely sensitive info than like, his boyfriend and a usb stick. i'm not suggesting that what happened is JUSTIFIED either morally or probably even legally, just that greenwald is maybe being kind of dim about it?
nakh did you read goole's post?
Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link
Mark me down as another one kind of amazed neither Greenwald nor Poitras has ever heard of WeTransfer. "I'll put all these documents on a flash drive, because this is a movie, and it's 2007."
― 誤訳侮辱, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link
maybe this is just his way of breaking up
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
miranda is gg's husband ftr
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 August 2013 17:22 (ten years ago) link
so Miranda would have been stopped even if he was not GG's spouse -- is that what some of you Mordyites are saying?
Maybe GG knows what everyone's thinking the way Obama 'skeptics' know that the True Librul in O's heart of hearts detests the authoritarian policies he vigorously pursues.
anyway, after reading Maass's NYT Mag piece on Poitras I would've thought she and GG were more careful about thius stuff.
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link
ah i did not know. i feel like he's always referred to as "partner" so i extrapolated. wrongly.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link
no i didn't read that and probably should have but it seems sort of superfluous because all of that could be fully encryped and sent electronically anyway
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link
reading comprehension morbs, as always
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
Morbius me too! the second graf, when she gets the first dump from snowden, she literally pulls the ethernet cable out of her computer immediately and shuts it down.
"oh plus we have to meet in berlin. why? don't worry about it, it'll be cool."
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
seems the detention was by the police, not the ukba, which is worse in a sense, because in their defense, the ukba are merely incompetent.
― caek, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
if miranda had classified material from a foreign security agency (nsa) then that would still be ultra vires wrt the terrorism act
i don't give a fuck about glenn greenwald and sure this treatment could hardly have come as a surprise to him
so he may be a hysterical imbecile playing at spy games or he might just have arranged this in the expectation ukba would engage in a counterproductive interception and the optics would help greenwald/snowden
it's not like the only transfer from berlin to south america is via london.......
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
yeah the detention was by police but i guess it would have been ukba who intercepted him? so substitute the names but it doesn't affect the rest of the argument
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
jesus ppl on this thread are ruthless.
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
wtf is wrong with everyone.
Who's ruthless exactly? Because not everyone is saying the same tbh
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
this treatment could hardly have come as a surprise to him
really
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
the art of pretend fascism
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
waiting for it...
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
What I do hate is ad-homs like 'he should have known' this etc. if only Greenwald was so smart as we all are eh?
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
Yes, they can do it to anyone at airports, sea ports and international rail terminals.
― Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
Abuse of power and the ignoring of basic human rights here are glaringly staring in everyone's face here. Yet some still can't go beyond 'whaa he didn't see this coming'?
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
yeah unless u were very lax or retarded u would know uk govt will always go out of the way to help america, greenwald would probably know this
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
lbi and hoos idk if u are just being dense or
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
Nakh, even if he should have known better - because I agree that he was naive probably - that still isn't the biggest thing here is it? The main point is that his husband was detained for 9 hours. 'Knowing the uk will always help the us' doesn't take anything away from this being a disgraceful act.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
oy
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 1:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbf seems like people were saying this as an aside
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
saying this was hardly unexpected does not somehow mean this wasn't unconscionable, lest that weren't obvious from the posts where i said it was a disgrace etc
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
@fivethirtyeight"Never connect at Heathrow if you can possibly avoid it" is right up there with "never get involved in a land war in Asia"
― polyphonic, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
Xxxp and xxp
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
i wouldn't get a partner mixed up in this stuff. but then i wouldn't get myself mixed up in this stuff either.
― R'LIAH (goole), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
― polyphonic, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:41 (2 minutes ago)
yeah i can't imagine greenwald would not know this, or have been told by his wikileaks friends
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
@GGreenwaldA real mystery: suspenseful RT @OKnox White House won't say whether US tried to discourage UK from detaining @ggreenwald's partner.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
hey did we discuss julian assange coming out as an old-right pro lifer anywhere
― R'LIAH (goole), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
The White House "was informed" about Miranda being detained at Heathrow, I'm reading. Ow
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
Lol Goole no I don't think so :) that was o_O though
haha wait he's pro-life?? i saw he was into ron paul, which, of course
― max, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
You could meet a person in a cafe and pay them $500 plus the cost of their ticket to deliver anything in the world that doesn't smell like drugs or explosives and they'd never be looked at. It just doesn't seem like this could possibly be accidental. This is zero comment on whether it's unscrupulous personal harassment, which it obviously is.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
Also in case anyone needs anything, you can pay me $500 plus the cost of my ticket to deliver anything that doesn't smell like drugs or explosives, just ftr.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
― max, Monday, August 19, 2013 1:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and RAND paul!
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
So,
I mean, I know it's annoying when people think they're in a spy novel. Sure. Is that what GG's actually doing, though? Really?
if you are in possession of info that multiple national governments have classified as confidental and detrimental to national security if disclosed, etc etc then you don't just get a magical shield with "journalist" written on the front of it that means nobody hassles you about it when you're crossing borders with it.
I'm still following up this story, and cannot for the life of me work out whether or not Miranda had anything on him. Did he or did he not? Help me out here.
― cardamon, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
a thumb drive w secrets
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
a thumb drive w <s>secrets</s> next season's line of cargo shorts
― Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link
shit
I've got a fistful of secrets if yaknowwhatImean
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link
a friend of mine told me that in israel a sandisk is a big employer and everyone calls thumbdrives disc-on-key
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
Nilmar is basically saying GG is not one of the smart -- naaaahhhh
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
k
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
I do think Greenwald's biggest mistake today was saying he will write more aggressively and release more classified info now. He should have released the anyway.mnow it almost sounds like "ok guys I was going to give youse a break but you've gone too far now!' Which is nagl a motivation for a journalist.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
yeah journalism is not really his natural habitat
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:58 (3 minutes ago)
did you actually read this post
defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
GG says Reuters tore his remarks out of context.
I will be on the Snowden thread.
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
I dunno
I'm not sure whether or not I 'give a fuck' about GG either but it's kind of the principle of the thing isn't it
― cardamon, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
yeah you can't read either
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link
Also Nilmar are you coming from a 'giving away classified documents is a dangerous, stupid thing to do' angle or a 'This man is annoying to me' angle?
I'm open to the first (but probably need to have it spelled out to me) and the second is understandable in that people find people annoying
― cardamon, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link
Lagoon, all I'm saying is it makes him come across as someone acting out of vengeance instead of just journalism. He's making it personal. I know it was made personal by detaining his husband but you need to try and separate the two, no?
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link
Nilmar isn't coming of neither angles iirc, he's better than that.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
Either, not neither
xp and Nilmar I'm not a Snowden/GG/Assange 'fan' or whatever, just trying to get a handle on all this. Spare a thought for people whose comprehension moves slightly slower than political events
― cardamon, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
i just want to make sure i understand--i'm being willfully naive if i think it's a problem that a guy publishing information about government spying by one country has his partner detained at an airport for 9 hours to be questioned about further publications by another country? is that the general idea? whether he should have 'expected' it or not is entirely beside the point--that it occurred at all is outrageous, and to deny that is to make peace with the notion that this is normal. and fuck that.
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
I don't really like that the whole NSA discussion is done in those thread, because for future reference/posterity, it'll be troublesome to locate some info, but anyway.
I've not read everything everyone has said, but my take is pretty simple, and I do make a few inferences, so take it with a grain of salt.
My conclusion is that Greenwald was very suspicious that there was a high probability of this happening to his partner--even higher if it was Greenwald himself transporting the data, so why not make it more interesting? Yes, I feel very strongly that this is a game to see who outwits the other. I have no problems with him doing this, because it is what moronic governments deserve. I'm not singling out a country, I am referring to my own country of Canada, plus the UK, and the USA.
Exhibit A: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/laura-poitras-snowden.html?pagewanted=10&_r=1&
"Their discussion turned to the question of coming back to the United States. Greenwald said, half-jokingly, that if he was arrested, WikiLeaks would become the new traffic cop for publishing N.S.A. documents. “I would just say: ‘O.K., let me introduce you to my friend Julian Assange, who’s going to take my place. Have fun dealing with him.'"Poitras prodded him: “So you’re going back to the States?"
Poitras prodded him: “So you’re going back to the States?"
I had a problem with this article because of its long-form. It puts people off. I question whether it got anywhere near the same amount of reads as other shorter articles, making certain details inaccessible to readers who are put off by 10 pages of literature.
We also have this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/25/greenwald-snowden-s-files-are-out-there-if-anything-happens-to-him.html
“When I was in Hong Kong, I spoke to my partner in Rio via Skype and told him I would send an electronic encrypted copy of the documents,” Greenwald said. “I did not end up doing it. Two days later his laptop was stolen from our house and nothing else was taken. Nothing like that has happened before. I am not saying it’s connected to this, but obviously the possibility exists.”When asked if Greenwald believed his computer was being monitored by the U.S. government. “I would be shocked if the U.S. government were not trying to access the information on my computer. I carry my computers and data with me everywhere I go.”
When asked if Greenwald believed his computer was being monitored by the U.S. government. “I would be shocked if the U.S. government were not trying to access the information on my computer. I carry my computers and data with me everywhere I go.”
Greenwald knows. People who are keeping up with the story know.
WikiLeaks leaked an AES256 encrypted insurance file. It's on the Internet. I'm not going to link to it but a simple Google search will locate it. The assumption is that they used openSSL and is something the NSA can easily crack. I tend to agree with this line of thought.
This was a test. To see what the gov't would react. Just as the gov't played along, seeing how Greenwald would react.
In that sense, it might've been a decoy, but their is also the assumption that the NSA already know everything Snowden/Greenwald/Poitras have. So all this confiscation is part of the theatrical drama played out for the mainstream public. Link/bait/etc.
Thing is, Greenwald is playing that game and trying to use it against them.
Just my opinion.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
to be expected or not, it should not be fucking occurring. that simple.
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
I'm with you Hoos, but tbf everyone here acknowledged it shouldn't have happened already.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
saying this was hardly unexpected does not somehow mean this wasn't unconscionable, lest that weren't obvious from the posts where i said it was a disgrace etc― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, August 19, 2013 5:41 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, August 19, 2013 5:41 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sorry i flew off the handle, i missed this post. my bad.
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
there's a pretty simple narrative here and it keeps getting clouded up. like the history of this thread itself is ppl basically saying 'greenwald is occasionally ok i guess, but he keeps making outrageous accusations' and then you get leaks that substantiate those outrageous accusations and more and then ppl say 'oh man, i guess its ok greenwald published this stuff, but i wish someone less prone to outrageous accusations did' and then the next thing happens and its amnesia all over again: wait? on what basis is greenwald suspecting the worst? we live in a nation of laws lololol.
and then this triple-layer spy vs. spy shit projected on top -- maybe snowden was a false flag and greenwald false-flagged that and then secretly they're both false flags of the big cover-up from the athletic-doping complex, i mean really?
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
i mean i guess nutty conspiracy theories are easier to accept than just the government is spying on everyone and detaining whoever it likes and that's the world we live in, full stop.
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:22 (ten years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:13
just summarizing my prior posts, though they weren't that ambiguous
- this detention is an affront to justice in letter and spirit, even if you aren't a greenwald fanboy- greenwald has plenty of useful acolytes including the main leftwing uk newspaper so he probably was not taken completely by surprise at the shitty conduct of uk authorities- just maybe he was aware that if it happened, a few hours inconvenience for his boyfriend would yield good optics & the data was securely encrypted anyway- now it has happened and greenwald is getting the most sympathetic press since the first round of snowden stories broke, his boyfriend is free and unharmed
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
glen greenwald's boyfriend was an inside job
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
my issue with greenwald's article is the issue i always have with him, which is that the truth is bad enough, he doesn't need to gild the lily by claiming that the UK Border Agency is "sending a message" to journalists. he has no fucking idea what the UK Border Agency was thinking, or who was directing them.
every day people are detained for an hour, two hours, three hours for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, other than like, they once bought a car from a guy who donated to a church that had a congregation member arrested on suspicion of having a telephone call with a member of hezbollah. now here we have a guy who is carrying classified national security documents. like, actually carrying them. it is entirely predictable that, as greenwald's partner, he will be nabbed with these. having re-read the NYTimes Mag article on poitras and greenwald, it really is hard to believe that she and greenwald were this naive. it's REALLY hard. they took endless precautions. so i kinda suspect when the NSA finally cracks the USB sticks it's gonna be rickroll.jpg?
just to make things clear to hoos and underrated aerosmith bootlegs et al, yes i also think it's despicable that he was detained for nine hours and completely loco that his stuff was essentially stolen even though has wasn't charged with anything.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link
having re-read the NYTimes Mag article on poitras and greenwald, it really is hard to believe that she and greenwald were this naive. it's REALLY hard. they took endless precautions.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:35 (5 minutes ago)
this is what lends credibility the INSIDE JOB narrative, the holographic missiles or the tnt or whatever
america had several sovereign nations refuse airspace and force a foreign president's aeroplane to land on the mere suspicion snowden was aboard, the chance that the most deferent nation of all would somehow neglect to intercept a snowden accomplice is virtually nil, it's just implausible that greenwald would be so naive not to know this
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link
can we just say what this really is, which is now that ostensibly democratic governments are targeting and detaining white dudes for talking shit about them, it's finally unacceptable?
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link
theyve gone too far this time
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
ctrl-f "buttlips" - found
― am0n, Monday, 19 August 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
They came for the white dudes, and I said nothing, because I was not a white dude.(oh wait...)
― slamming on the dubstep brakes (snoball), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
yeah nobody gave a fuck when they sent chuck d to nicaragua and tortured him to death for stealing documents from the nsa
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
.....
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link
...and i said nothing because i was not a white dude with a thumbdrive full of secrets in my cargo shorts
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link
there isn't really any direct precedent to snowden &c
america is a white supremacist nation, everyone knows this, it doesn't really pertain to what is happening here or lend any light to this minor injustice by relating it to an unrelated and much greater injustice
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:02 (ten years ago) link
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, August 19, 2013 2:53 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
David Miranda isn't white
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link
dun dun DUN
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link
Srsly why bring in skin colour?
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 3:07 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in case this thread didn't have its ticket punched to clusterfuckville
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:08 (ten years ago) link
Hey i didn't bring it up. DJP hasn't been in here before, came in to drop that, and left again.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:10 (ten years ago) link
Which is fine. But a recipe for derailing the thread tbh
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:11 (ten years ago) link
dropped it from his thumbdrive filled with reverse racism
― szarkasm (schlump), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:11 (ten years ago) link
Playing the race thumbdrive xp darn it
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
dan is the real racist imho
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
xposts: lbi i wasn't attacking you, just responding your question
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
A.Clover I realized that a second too late, thanks and nbd
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link
S. s.clover
no miranda rights for this guy!!
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:22 (ten years ago) link
should dump this on whatever assange thread we have, but since i brought it up:
http://twitlonger.com/show/n_1rlvd57
And so, that's quite an interesting phenomenon in the United States. The position of the Libertarian Republican, or a better description Right, coming from a principle of non-violence which is the American Libertarian tradition. That produces interesting results.
So, non-violence: well, don't go and invade a foreign country. Non-violence: don't force people at the barrel of a gun to serve in the U.S. Army. Non-violence: doesn't extort taxes from people to the federal Government with a policeman. Similarly, other aspects of non-violence in relation to abortion that they hold.
I think some of these positions that are held by Rand Paul, while I can see how they come from the same underlying Libertarian principle, I think the world is often more complex and by taking a no-doubt principled, but sometimes simplistic position, you end up undermining the principle.
― R'LIAH (goole), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
yo LBI just fyi it's really really not ok to shout down a black person for "bringing up race," especially when discussing an issue (e.g. airport security/screenings) for which race is blatantly a major determining factor. no matter where you live. #whitebtw
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
I can't even tell if you are serious or not...
"Shout down"?!
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
good grief
― caek, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:29 (ten years ago) link
whatever. never mind.
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:29 (ten years ago) link
over under on lbi leaving this thread?
― caek, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:30 (ten years ago) link
keep on truckin guys, clusterfuckville just around the bend, they got lotsa posts there
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
glad to see the PC BRIGADE have shown up to censor our language
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
Jesus Curtis. I "shout down a black person" according to you, and now you just say "never mind"? Gee thanks a lot dude.
I responded to DJP marching in saying "can we just say what this really is, which is now that ostensibly democratic governments are targeting and detaining white dudes for talking shit about them, it's finally unacceptable?"
Is that really "what this really is"? Miranda isn't even white! Dan implies we finally think this code of conduct isn't ok because it happens to a white person (which Miranda isn't btw, but lets stay fact free right?) and I get flack for "shouting down a black person"?
Fuck that.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link
Caek, why would I leave this thread?
you can't censor t'internet man
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link
I had a long post about how a good chunk of the discourse around this was casting Greenwald's husband's detainment as an attack on Greenwald, turning the detention of a person of color into an intimidation tactic against a white person, and that a good amount of the outrage was coming out of that reading but given that the overarching reaction I got was "everyone knows the US is racist so we don't need to talk about it" I figured I'd honor the parameters people want the conversation to be in and listen to my better judgment this time.
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link
I'd also point out that I had posted a couple of jokes earlier in the thread, both today and two months ago, which would at least signal that I'd been reading the thread if not being an active participant, but you know what fuck it
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link
I agree with Dan that there's overwhelming evidence this sort of thing happens all the time to non-white people, and that most of the time it's hardly noticed in the wider media or culture, and that way more people seem upset about this than would be upset if dude's name was Mohamed and he wasn't dating Glenn Greenwald.
xp!
a good chunk of the discourse around this was casting Greenwald's husband's detainment as an attack on Greenwald, turning the detention of a person of color into an intimidation tactic against a white person
hadn't even occurred to me, goddamn
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:39 (ten years ago) link
lbi, you have a tendency to say (at best) tin-eared things then leave threads after being called out. i wish you luck on this latest quest.
― caek, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:39 (ten years ago) link
also dan don't mean to put words in yr mouth obv, just a reading of what i thought you were saying
kind of jealous that gg has a brazilian boyfriend
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:41 (ten years ago) link
Hoos that is pretty much exactly what I was saying.
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:41 (ten years ago) link
@Caek, did I say tin-eared things?
I know for sure no one engaged in this thread has ever made light, has always acknowledged, how white people get picked on way less, in every respect. And that that is repulsive. I just don't see how it is that relevant to this particular issue.
And I certainly don't care for being told to I a "shouting down a black person". I forcefully resent that.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:44 (ten years ago) link
I too agree with what Hoos said up here. But to say that that is what this is really about, that this is a racist issue, that I do not agree with.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link
but the thing is, race is always an issue, when you say 'let's not make this about race,' that is tin-eared
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link
it is probably 'easier' in some v. important ways to detain a brown person for nine hours than it is to detain a white person, all secret spy info aside
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:47 (ten years ago) link
What does that mean, Matt? That Greenwald's husband was less likely to have been detained if he was white? I just don't believe that. They detained the husband because it was Greenwald's husband.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:48 (ten years ago) link
He, not it
Srsly why bring in skin colour?― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 3:07 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkHey i didn't bring it up. DJP hasn't been in here before, came in to drop that, and left again.― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 3:10 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkWhich is fine. But a recipe for derailing the thread tbh― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 3:11 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 3:07 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 3:10 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 19, 2013 3:11 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm sorry you don't care for it when people point out your terrible posts, but this seems to be incredibly dismissive and pretty much the definition of a presumption of bad faith.
― caek, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:48 (ten years ago) link
i don't mean to speak against this, but, greenwald himself has been pushing discourse in this exact way. greenwald being the 'real target' in the whole mess, miranda just the courier.
it does make you wonder if the UK authorities would have dared detain greenwald himself, had he chosen to travel to see poitras personally via london
which makes you wonder if that was part of the motivation to have miranda act as a trusted but non-famous go-between.
which makes you FURTHER wonder why greenwald would think miranda would NOT be on the authorities' radar, given their capabilities and motivations. which is kinda what nilmar was getting at earlier.
― R'LIAH (goole), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link
it rubs the secrets on its skin
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link
Ok Caek, you made your point. I just don't think this is about the color of one's skin. Greenwald's husband was detained because he is Greenwald's husband.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:50 (ten years ago) link
tbf over the last decade or so there has been a lot of tearing of clothes and mashing of teeth over the extra judicial detainment of people who are not white eg gitmo, which is not to say that people arent inordinately exercised over this particular incident, some of which is prob wrapped up in race and a lot of which has to do w how people feel journalists should be treated and is driven a lot particularly by how journalists feel journalists should be treated, journalists of course are often wite btw
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:50 (ten years ago) link
i guess i'm asking "what did greenwald expect?" not in a sense of snotty, cynically dismissiveness; i really do wonder what gg expected to happen here.
― R'LIAH (goole), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:51 (ten years ago) link
I am fully aware of this; it's one of the things I dislike about Greenwald.
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:51 (ten years ago) link
mashing of teeth
lol u need to brush up on your bible stories
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:52 (ten years ago) link
spread the resulting paste between two intact teeth
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:53 (ten years ago) link
I fully agree with lampoon. I just don't see this particular imcident - which is what we are talking about on this thread - as something motived by race/racism.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:53 (ten years ago) link
Lampoon lol. Lagoon.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre)
missing the point
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link
it's like a cross between the paddy considine bits of bourne and idk, edward albee or something. what do you think their home life is really like??
― R'LIAH (goole), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link
dan's point in part is that these discussions have denied Greenwald's non-white husband autonomy as a human being.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zSBav7yXqqg/TPsZR_n7z6I/AAAAAAAAAKI/c-1hsF4qLLU/S290/Ralph%2BEllison%252C%2Binvisible%2Bman.jpg
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
alfred i at least am on record in this thread calling miranda a total hottie. seriously confused by your disagreement on this issue tbh
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:56 (ten years ago) link
he looks too much like an ex tbh, although the latter didn't use thin flip-flops.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
once again, for the record:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02647/guardian_2647256b.jpg
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
That Greenwald himself is one of the people doing this is icing on a very frustrating cake.
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Monday, August 19, 2013 3:52 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i do my own translations
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link
anti-cargo shorts discussions are definitely denying miranda his autonomy as a human being
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link
i understand that you disagree, lbi.
but "don't bring in skin colour", as though it's something self-indulgent or narcissistic or trolling, is not the way to express that.
apparently i have made my point to your satisfaction though so.
― caek, Monday, 19 August 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link
if i was mama miranda i'd be throwing shit at greenwald's head right now and chasing him around the room, is what i'm trying to say on this thread
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:00 (ten years ago) link
in the movie, directed by Sean Penn, Glenn Greenwald (Bradley Cooper) will turn to David Miranda (James Franco) and explain before leaving to meet Snowden (Justin Timberlake) how "life's gonna get fucked up for the both of us" from now on.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, August 19, 2013 3:55 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
eh idk not sure we need to get all gender studies on this, from the point of view of the story it makes a lot of sense to look at it like this, guy was acting as greenwalds gopher
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
xp I will watch the shit out of that movie tho
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
i...what...the last 50 posts
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 August 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link
those flat-tops are more objectionable than cargo shorts imo
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link
by picking on aspects of his look you are denying him agency over how terrible his look is as a whole
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 20:03 (ten years ago) link
― caek, Monday, August 19, 2013 9:58 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I didn't perceive it as self-indulgent or trolling. I just didn't see how it was relevant, but i see what you mean. I still don't think they detained Greenwald's partner "easier" or earlier because he isn't white (and I still don't understand why Dan said Miranda was white in the first place, if that was an error or not).
But I understand where you are coming from now. It's not about my satisfaction . But to be told, by Crut, that I am "shouting down a black person" is a shocker. It implicates a lot of things about me that are completely untrue. And with brute force, no less.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:06 (ten years ago) link
LBI does tend to say some tonedeaf race stuff, i chalk that up to being euro, and i'm certainly sympathetic to looking at events through a race-literate lens, but in fairness DJP's first post was at best a little vague
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 August 2013 20:07 (ten years ago) link
Do I know you?
"Tonedeaf race stuff"?!
Examples please...
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:08 (ten years ago) link
And clusterfuckville right on schedule. Population: us
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:09 (ten years ago) link
tempting to believe nakh's theory, including "they would be more likely to detain you because you're brown."
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:09 (ten years ago) link
Having read the Guardian piece and the NY Times piece, I feel that this renders the "family should be off-limits" retort nonsensical. It is a given that this shouldn't have happened, regardless of who was traveling with the documents, but acting extra outraged because it was your husband and not you screams of having your cake and eating it, too. Like, either dude is helping you and is cosigning onto facing and weathering the static, or you are a gross user putting someone who didn't sign up for it in danger and then turning their discomfort and trauma into a ego piece about yourself. The "He's not even a journalist" line especially rankles, because why would you ask him to transport these documents for you if he was unwilling to take on the risk of being detained?
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:16 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 20:17 (ten years ago) link
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, August 19, 2013 7:53 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
my god
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:17 (ten years ago) link
LBI - Sorry for singling you out & saying you shouted. "Why bring up skin color?" is just a pet peeve of mine; I honestly do think saying such things stifles open discussion & I was honestly appalled that you would ask such a thing because I thought Dan was making an important point. I know that's not what you intended. I was trying to be gentle w/my response but I fucked it up.
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:22 (ten years ago) link
Thanks Curtis, I appreciate that. I for one am sorry my reply came across that blunt. I didn't intend it that way. And I do think everything is on limits here, race too, for it is an interesting take on things I - and no one on this thread - had tread on before. I didn't recognize it as such at the time though, thought it was a brash interruption of what we had been speaking about for hours. The issue of race suddenly popping up. But that was my blunt way of responding. I didn't intend to insult anyone or dismiss it.
Group hug.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:31 (ten years ago) link
here is what greenwald actually said:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rm09tf
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:43 (ten years ago) link
he will burn london to the ground
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:58 (ten years ago) link
to the ground
hes gonna wear one of those masks and post to reddit everyday
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 22:02 (ten years ago) link
greenwald and twitlonger are truly made for each other. btw i love how dude is shocked, shocked that reuters would interpret his answers as just a leetle vengeful??
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
I don't care if you're black, white, greenwald...
― kinder, Monday, 19 August 2013 22:18 (ten years ago) link
Speaking by phone from the couple's home in the Tijuca forest, Miranda said it felt "awesome" to be back. "It's really good to be here. I felt the weight lift off my shoulders as soon I got back. Brazil feels very secure, very safe,"
this is trolling at its most rarified level
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 23:14 (ten years ago) link
drinking a caipirinha on the porch in his flip-flops, with his dog.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link
swimming with piranhas in cargo shorts, in a crime ridden favela *"knowledge" of brazil exhausted*
― you're better off in a supersonic jet (Hunt3r), Monday, 19 August 2013 23:20 (ten years ago) link
guardian editor alan rusbridger has now written his own article about this, and is responding to comments under the article:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/19/david-miranda-schedule7-danger-reporters
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 23:24 (ten years ago) link
A little over two months ago I was contacted by a very senior government official claiming to represent the views of the prime minister. There followed two meetings in which he demanded the return or destruction of all the material we were working on. The tone was steely, if cordial, but there was an implicit threat that others within government and Whitehall favoured a far more draconian approach.
The mood toughened just over a month ago, when I received a phone call from the centre of government telling me: "You've had your fun. Now we want the stuff back." There followed further meetings with shadowy Whitehall figures. The demand was the same: hand the Snowden material back or destroy it. I explained that we could not research and report on this subject if we complied with this request. The man from Whitehall looked mystified. "You've had your debate. There's no need to write any more."
And so one of the more bizarre moments in the Guardian's long history occurred – with two GCHQ security experts overseeing the destruction of hard drives in the Guardian's basement just to make sure there was nothing in the mangled bits of metal which could possibly be of any interest to passing Chinese agents. "We can call off the black helicopters," joked one as we swept up the remains of a MacBook Pro.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 23:27 (ten years ago) link
In a private viewing cinema in Soho last week I caught myself letting fly with a four-letter expletive at Bill Keller, the former executive editor of the New York Times. It was a confusing moment. The man who was pretending to be me – thanking Keller for "not giving a shit" – used to be Malcolm Tucker, a foul-mouthed Scottish spin doctor who will soon be a 1,000-year-old time lord. And Keller will correct me, but I don't remember ever swearing at him. I do remember saying something to the effect of "we have the thumb drive, you have the first amendment".
The fictional moment occurs at the beginning of the DreamWorks film about WikiLeaks, The Fifth Estate, due for release next month. Peter Capaldi is, I can report, a very plausible Guardian editor.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, August 19, 2013 7:14 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
damn that sounds like a cool ass place to live http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuca_Forest
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 00:00 (ten years ago) link
i had this weird long daydream the other day about what it would be like to live in a rainforest.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
alfred hey, the man knows his way around an seo-heavy lead graf, whatcha gon do
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 00:02 (ten years ago) link
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 19:53 (Yesterday)
the reason i gave this short shrift is because you are describing miranda as white
and yeah miranda being described as 'white' was not implausible having scanned through maybe one photo of him, the uk is not the same as america or brazil, there's no equivalent category to 'latino' or 'pardo' so a lot of south americans are just sort of seen as 'white - other'
to the actual argument occluded by this, that miranda is a minority person whose victimization is not credited, or only credited by proxy because they have husband....sure, and yes it's unfortunate that greenwald's monomania only furthers this
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 00:55 (ten years ago) link
/have a white husband/
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 00:56 (ten years ago) link
slob imo:
Greenwald lives and works in a house surrounded by tropical foliage in a remote area of Rio de Janeiro. He shares the home with his Brazilian partner and their 10 dogs and one cat, and the place has the feel of a low-key fraternity that has been dropped down in the jungle. The kitchen clock is off by hours, but no one notices; dishes tend to pile up in the sink; the living room contains a table and a couch and a large TV, an Xbox console and a box of poker chips and not much else. The refrigerator is not always filled with fresh vegetables. A family of monkeys occasionally raids the banana trees in the backyard and engages in shrieking battles with the dogs.
Greenwald does most of his work on a shaded porch, usually dressed in a T-shirt, surfer shorts and flip-flops. Over the four days I spent there, he was in perpetual motion, speaking on the phone in Portuguese and English, rushing out the door to be interviewed in the city below, answering calls and e-mails from people seeking information about Snowden, tweeting to his 225,000 followers (and conducting intense arguments with a number of them), then sitting down to write more N.S.A. articles for The Guardian, all while pleading with his dogs to stay quiet. During one especially fever-pitched moment, he hollered, “Shut up, everyone,” but they didn’t seem to care
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/laura-poitras-snowden.html?hpw
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 01:07 (ten years ago) link
glenn is an unusual cat
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 01:09 (ten years ago) link
imagining him drinking and playing heads up poker v his husband after a long day of blogging
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 01:11 (ten years ago) link
in the jungle
This was a mistake in wording on my part. What I was trying to get across as that Miranda's entire experience has been cooped and transferred to Greenwald in the conversation about this incident but I let my desire to be pithy get in the way.
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 01:35 (ten years ago) link
Grr co-opted
Stupid spell check
(And yes, it was also tied to the context of white dudes who were a-okay with brown people getting hassled in airports suddenly finding TSA intrusions beyond the pale when they were the ones getting frisked.)
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 01:39 (ten years ago) link
lets bear in mind that among such dudes was not greenwald. i don't know about miranda's experience getting transferred to greenwald but it is important to recognize that it sort of indisputably happened because of his links to greenwald, which is not to say that race couldn't also play a role or etc.
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 01:58 (ten years ago) link
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, August 19, 2013 9:39 PM (1 hour ago)
i'd actually imagine that the vast majority of the people who are upset over this incident are also the people who oppose a lot of what the TSA does and the racial profiling that is a part of that
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 20 August 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
now that i've seen photos of his dude, glenn is punching way out of his class. good for him.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 August 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
living in a brazilian jungle with hot boyfriend sounds like an ideal life aside from the whole "multiple governments trying to systematically tear your life apart" thing
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 August 2013 03:14 (ten years ago) link
i need a vacation from my vacation!!!
― R'LIAH (goole), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
who's cooler: greenwald or kim dot com
― ( (brimstead), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 04:02 (ten years ago) link
defend the indefensible: fucking glenn greenwald
― i am.. a maven (Matt P), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 04:59 (ten years ago) link
can't
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 August 2013 05:02 (ten years ago) link
"You've had your debate. There's no need to write any more."
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link
debate been had son
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
I dunno if I can fuck a dude with monkeys crawling over me and Laura Poitras in the next room, worrying about my dumping info in my boyfriend's butt.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
that is way too many dogs
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
sad this thread stopped tbh
― imago, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:21 (ten years ago) link
Was wondering, if the initiative for pulling David Miranda in at the border originated as a police matter, are we dealing with potential trolling of the Guardian by the police for making their corrupt lives that bit more difficult these past few years? I mean, they can't pull in Nick Davies so...
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link
having re-read the NYTimes Mag article on poitras and greenwald, it really is hard to believe that she and greenwald were this naive. it's REALLY hard. they took endless precautions. so i kinda suspect when the NSA finally cracks the USB sticks it's gonna be rickroll.jpg?
having now read this article I have to agree. Poitras had been stopped in airports over 40 times and had electronics confiscated to the point that she had stopped traveling with computers when possible. although it did say that she would give her computer to a traveling companion to carry through airport security on the theory that they wouldn't be detained and questioned, so maybe they thought Miranda wasn't himself on a watch list. I doubt it though.
― dmr, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
i kinda suspect when the NSA finally cracks the USB sticks it's gonna be rickroll.jpg?
a 172 hour HD video of greenwald's cats
― there are more than 3.5 HOOS per steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
with "Yakety Sax" as the soundtrack.
― Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
he has dogs god have we learned nothing
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
sry
i have no eye for pets
― there are more than 3.5 HOOS per steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/1003353_10152133848209112_690021497_n.jpg
great to be doge
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:27 (ten years ago) link
Gleen
― R'LIAH (goole), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/exclusive-glenn-greenwald-will-leave-guardian-to-create-new?s=mobile
http://ggsidedocs.blogspot.com.br/2013/10/my-statement-and-guardians.html?m=1
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 October 2013 20:41 (ten years ago) link
'The venture ... will be “a general media outlet and news site — it’s going to have sports and entertainment and features. I’m working on the whole thing'
the fuck?
― zvookster, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 20:44 (ten years ago) link
so like, dave zirin, tennis ... profit!
― zvookster, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
dude is gonna get paid, good for him
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 October 2013 21:02 (ten years ago) link
but general interest seems like a not that great idea, better to go deeper in his niche imho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 21:03 (ten years ago) link
it’s going to have sports and entertainment and features.
Glennland
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
outrageland
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
lol yrs was better
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 21:05 (ten years ago) link
YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT THE NSA DID IN ONE RESTON BATHROOM
This might be the most important 6,000 words you ever read
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 21:10 (ten years ago) link
Washington Post has an article on it, as well: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/10/15/glenn-greenwald-bolts-the-guardian-for-some-fabulous-media-organization/
Maybe he can hire some IL Xor users.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 22:27 (ten years ago) link
As to its headquarters, we asked Greenwald whether any consideration had been given to locating it outside of the United States, given the legal sensitivity of the reporting he has done in recent months. He declined to answer, but gave us a treat and noted that it’s an “important and good question.”
― Mordy , Tuesday, 15 October 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link
what a treat
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 22:49 (ten years ago) link
he gave them the treat then said that
― zvookster, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 22:58 (ten years ago) link
http://www.makeyourownjeans.com/custom-shorts/cool-cargo-shorts
― buzza, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 01:01 (ten years ago) link
lol xp
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 01:04 (ten years ago) link
More details: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/blogger-journalist-glenn-greenwald-to-leave-britains-guardian-newspaper/2013/10/15/a0cf9a4c-35e8-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_story.html
― sktsh, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 10:50 (ten years ago) link
good to see glenn monetizing his personal brand!
― balls, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:38 (ten years ago) link
max be the prophet https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/294228722154868737
― zvookster, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
haha that will never get old. even greenwald laughed at it iirc, one of three documented cases of him laughing, first one not involving his dogs.
― balls, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:47 (ten years ago) link
lol I reluctantly find this amusing
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
just two bros walking dogs to outdoor Beyonce concert
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 15:41 (ten years ago) link
Sounds interesting.
http://pressthink.org/2013/10/why-pierre-omidyar-decided-to-join-forces-with-glenn-greenwald-for-a-new-venture-in-news/
― oscar, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link
i support this one million % as a thing for a billionaire to spend his money on
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 20:43 (ten years ago) link
heh
Maria Bustillos @mariabustillos 28mSmug, long-winded, and correct on all counts: @ggreenwald answers his critics http://utdocuments.blogspot.com.br/2013/12/questionsresponses-for-journalists.html
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 1m@mariabustillos Better than humble, concise and wrong on all counts! Thanks.
― lag∞n, Sunday, 1 December 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link
the only part id take issue with is this
And as our source has repeatedly proven: if he's unhappy about how matters are proceeding or has something to say, he's more than willing and able to speak out.
snowden obvs belongs to russian intelligence at this point
― lag∞n, Sunday, 1 December 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
also lol at greenwald being super upset at josh marshall when all he did was tweet a link sans comment to the article
― lag∞n, Sunday, 1 December 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/LmFjTVX.png
do RTs represent endorcements
― lag∞n, Sunday, 1 December 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
there certainly seems to be a bit of professional jealousy in the air, though some of the points that have been raised have been valid
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 December 2013 22:18 (ten years ago) link
His new site is launched : https://firstlook.org/theintercept/
― StanM, Monday, 10 February 2014 12:40 (ten years ago) link
lol at the first of what will be numerous digital magazines *displays blog*
this internet thing is really taking off
― lag∞n, Monday, 10 February 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/02/20/business/media/start-up-site-hires-critic-of-wall-st.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0&referrer=
taibbi joins first look
― k3vin k., Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:03 (ten years ago) link
how can they even spend 250 million on this site, it just looks like quartz
― iatee, Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:45 (ten years ago) link
maybe they're giving taibbi an unlimited drug and whore fund
GG won a Polk Award on Sunday, I guess Mordy wasn't on the panel. Ceremony is April 11 in NYC, he may return to the US for it.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/02/snowden-leaks-honored-by-polk-awards-183450.html
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 February 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/19/279612007/u-k-court-oks-detention-of-reporter-glenn-greenwalds-partner
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 20 February 2014 19:13 (ten years ago) link
The Intercept and Pando Daily are currently at war on Twitter over a Mark Ames article showing that Omidayar and the US State Dept. had been funding anti-government groups in Ukraine prior to the current crisis. As Ames mentions in his article, Pando itself is partly funded by Peter Thiel whose politics are sickening. Highlights how complicated notionally independent online media gets when you start turning to billionaires for money.
― Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Saturday, 1 March 2014 07:48 (ten years ago) link
the pando bros are really annoying to follow on twitter is all i have to say about this
― k3vin k., Saturday, 1 March 2014 12:14 (ten years ago) link
i enjoy and appreciate their work but there is a certain level of pettiness and professional jealousy imbued in all of their written work (and that practically defines their online personae) that i find suffocating
― k3vin k., Saturday, 1 March 2014 12:38 (ten years ago) link
k3vin otm, i like ames's work a lot but their obsession with discrediting greenwald is way more personal than political and long predates omidayar.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 2 March 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
it'll be "interesting" to see what his relationship is with taibbi now
― k3vin k., Sunday, 2 March 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
i dont know ames doesnt find it exhausting being the way he is
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 2 March 2014 18:18 (ten years ago) link
his book on spree shooters is great though
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 2 March 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
Tom Ricks has a growing suspicion that Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden are up to something.
On Saturday, the Pulitzer Prize-winning national security reporter posed a question to Greenwald on Twitter.
"Glenn, any comments from you or Edward Snowden on the recent round of media shutdowns in Russia?" Ricks asked.
After initially referring Ricks to Snowden's representative at the ACLU, Greenwald asked Ricks if he had any comment on "Peruvian police corruption," "corporate waste dumping in E Africa," or a U.S. drone strike from last year that killed 13 people en route to a wedding party in Yemen.
Sure, Ricks said, he'd be "happy to comment," but not before he saw Greenwald denounce Vladmir Putin "and his crackdown."
The next day, after he evidently didn't get the response from Greenwald that he was looking for, Ricks took to Twitter to denounce "Peruvian police corruption and US drones that kill innocents."
"Now [your] turn to discuss Putin," Ricks said to Greenwald.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-ricks-glenn-greenwald-edward-snowden
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
GG's mom = Angela Lansbury
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:49 (ten years ago) link
WaPo, Guardian win Pulitzers for NSA/Snowden coverage
CONGRATS GLENN FUUUUUUCKING GREENWALD
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:14 (ten years ago) link
bet those pulitzers have cameras in them
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, April 14, 2014 7:14 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
I'm hearing that in Rick's (from Rick & Morty) voice, with a burp extending the "FUUUUUCKING."
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 14 April 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
appearing at Politics & Prose in DC next Wednesday! Day before I visit probly, goddammit.
http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/polpro/639084
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 04:18 (nine years ago) link
Michael Kinsley: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-greenwald-michael-kinsley-new-york-times-lock-up-snowden
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:37 (nine years ago) link
Kinsley, a columnist for Vanity Fair and a longtime liberal commentator
He's no liberal, or at least no longer a conventional liberal. He seems unpredictable and kinda grouchy old guy in most of his writing I have read lately.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
Greenwald making the rounds
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/05/22/nbc-newss-brian-williams-interviews-snowden-greenwald/
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/05/23/response-michael-kinsley/
Greenwald responds to Kinsley
― curmudgeon, Friday, 23 May 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
fucking Chait: https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/469484227931561986
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 May 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link
god, fuck that guy
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 23 May 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link
i guess threatening 'unpleasant' journalists with prison time has now become the preferred default position of smug nominally liberal 'centrists.'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 23 May 2014 19:01 (nine years ago) link
hippie punching uber alles
https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2014/05/prioritizing-personalities-over-free-press
― anonanon, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link
What explains the different reactions? Sure, some of it can be attributed to temperament. Gellman strikes me as having a knack for disarming people, a knack Greenwald has no apparent inclination to develop or deploy himself. But I think there’s something more fundamental at work here. Correctly or incorrectly, I think Gellman is widely perceived to be adversarial within the system, and this is something the system is willing to accept even if the reporter in question does the kind of superb journalism Gellman does. But Greenwald, again correctly or incorrectly, is widely perceived to be adversarial to that system. And for the system itself, that kind of adversity is an unpardonable sin.
Or you know, it might be that temperament thing. People tend not to like full-throated assholes.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
This is OTMFM:
And the uncompromising work and aggressive deportment of someone like Greenwald acts as a kind of mirror in which these people are forced to view the most unflattering version of themselves. The admirable reaction would be to hold yourself to a higher standard and try to do better. The more common reaction is to hate the person who is causing your increased awareness of your own shortcomings.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
You forgot the rest, Mordy:
So here’s the situation. A fellow journalist — in the newspaper that once published the Pentagon Papers — calls for the government to assume ultimate decision-making authority over what the media is allowed to publish, describes another journalist as a “go-between” and “perpetrator” for his reporting, and wonders aloud whether journalists who do such reporting ought to be “locked up”… and not one of these journalists finds any of it even worthy of mention. What they do find worthy of mention is that they think Greenwald is a jerk, or self-righteous, or a sourpuss, or whatever other appellation they use when they scrunch up their noses at someone who upsets them. Even the few who don't explicitly praise Kinsley’s piece for being a personal attack on Greenwald have no problem at all with Kinsley’s call for ultimate governmental publishing authority or any of his other attacks on journalism. Goldberg merely recommends another, similar screed by George Packer. Harwood calls the piece “valuable.” David Gregory, managing in typical fashion to be both banal and sycophantic, finds the most relevant aspect of Kinsley’s call for prior restraint is that it’s “an interesting addition to the debate."
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
i don't want to defend any of these assholes really. i just think it's more likely that they dislike greenwald for the same reason i do - bc he's such a smug shit. it's not like i'm a part of the threatened system. i'm just a reader who finds him intensely dislikable.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 23:58 (nine years ago) link
he's a guy marked by an air of superior piety or morality. it's not an attractive quality for anyone, even someone doing important work.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 23:59 (nine years ago) link
How does that make him different than 90% of anyone who gets written about in a newspaper?
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
idk piety is kinda out of step with the times don't u think? being a 'real person' is aspirational.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:02 (nine years ago) link
again, why this fascination with biography? You don't have to blow him or get a beer with him.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
Being a 'real person' is just another form of moral superiority. Witness all the "Washington Outsiders" with decade-long careers writing about Washington.
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:05 (nine years ago) link
ok adam that's a great point it's all a performance meant to self-aggrandize but some performances are particularly gauche + greenwald has one of the gauchest
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:06 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but that's cos he probably didn't pay for the appropriate media training (in order to seem more real LOL). I find that refreshing and makes him more trustable. Rather have a truth-telling jerk than otherwise.
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:07 (nine years ago) link
+ if he did a better job keeping his personality out of his journalism probably ppl would be less transfixed by its grotesqueries
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:08 (nine years ago) link
haha yeah i'm sure that's why i dislike him, bc he didn't pay for the appropriate media training adam u crack me up bro keep it up man good posting
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:09 (nine years ago) link
Sorry i didn't mean that as an attack on you, I meant in general, he gets crap from a lot of places. I just jumped in 10 minutes ago and to be honest I'm just gonna leave cos I didn't realize I was participating in an argument and I'd rather play video games.
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:12 (nine years ago) link
i don't want to defend any of these assholes really. i just think it's more likely that they dislike greenwald for the same reason i do - bc he's such a smug shit.
i have a hard time believing that any of those guys would be bothered by greenwald's 'air of superior piety or morality' if he were just another pundit saying the same things as everyone else. is greenwald more of a jerk than thomas friedman?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:21 (nine years ago) link
no one likes thomas friedman
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:21 (nine years ago) link
Barack Hussein Obama likes Thomas Friedman.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:25 (nine years ago) link
BHO also likes David Brooks. An NPR liberal, that Barry.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:26 (nine years ago) link
I'm no Greenwald fanboy but the way those establishment journos express such catty disdain as part of endorsing Kinsley's authoritarian position is embarrassing
as usual Lane is the worst and Gregory is mind-numbingly inane
― anonanon, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 01:16 (nine years ago) link
yeah but he can move!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln5RD9BhcCo
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 01:18 (nine years ago) link
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/publiceditor/2014/05/27/kinsley-greenwald-and-government-secrets/?_php=true,true&_type=blogs,blogs&smid=tw-share&_r=1
NY Times Book review editor is a bit disengenuous here when confronted with criticism
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
Kinsley's arguably more smug than Greenwald, and a lesser journalist too
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link
kinsley's the better journalist (or was rather) but is incredibly more smug. both suffer from a lack of a certain kind of seriousness but greenwald's cynicism is more honorable and possibly more productive than kinsley's ever was.
― balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
also margaret sullivan isn't the times book review editor
― balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
I've no problem with whom the NYT picked to review the book – in 1989 I would've assigned Hitchens to write a hatchet job. It's his goddamn opinions.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:46 (nine years ago) link
this quote is kind of apropos
After dinner, “Larry (Summers) leaned back in his chair and offered me some advice,” Ms. Warren writes. “I had a choice. I could be an insider or I could be an outsider. Outsiders can say whatever they want. But people on the inside don’t listen to them. Insiders, however, get lots of access and a chance to push their ideas. People — powerful people — listen to what they have to say. But insiders also understand one unbreakable rule: They don’t criticize other insiders.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
would've assigned rahul sagar, in 89 maybe try to get moynihan, whose jock kinsley has been dreaming of carrying for over 30 years
― balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
― balls, Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:44
I know, I was referring to her/the ombudswoman's views versus the editor's. The editor here is pretending not to know of Kinsley's record of expressing disdain for reporters.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link
calling ppl 'smug' on this board is fucking hilar
People tend not to like full-throated assholes.
much more the ones who are wrong, which is all that matters
(Kinsley hasn't been a liberal in maybe 35 years, unless you mean of the Chuck Schumer school, calling Israel "she" and shit)
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
if you had any curiosity about why ppl dislike you, you might find that criticisms of greenwald's odious personality work well for u as well
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:39 (nine years ago) link
now now it's not like greenwald defends child molesters
― balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/the-establishment-critique-of-edward-snowden-and-glenn-greenwald/371678/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
James Clapper and Keith Alexander don't exactly have wonderful personalities
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link
Digby: "Glenn Greenwald may be the biggest asshole on the planet (he isn't, btw) but to even mention that, much less dwell on it when we are discussing something of such major importance betrays this pathetically provincial (and frankly somewhat adolescent) view of what matters in this world. If a critic cannot rise above his personal pique at an author's personality and see the work through a lens not colored by resentment and bitterness then it's probably best not to start an ilx thread about him"
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/06/06/encouraging-words-dean-baquet-weasel-words-james-clapper/
― curmudgeon, Friday, 6 June 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link
ugh, the worst, right
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 6 June 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
why the FUCK do i find out about this today? PR, people?
http://www.haymarketbooks.org/event/4116
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 11:10 (nine years ago) link
That was announced months ago. He's also speaking in Chicago this weekend.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 13:44 (nine years ago) link
where was my alert, Tarfumes, lots of things happen months from now and that's a bleedin' decade for me
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
Get on the Haymarket mailing list! That's how I found out.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link
i used to work for H4ymark3t, so no thx
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 17:20 (nine years ago) link
huh! didn't know this
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 17:25 (nine years ago) link
lol http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/business/media/inside-glenn-greenwalds-mountaintop-home-office.html
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 August 2014 11:53 (nine years ago) link
some buddies of mine interviewed greenwald last week and got some interesting answers out of him on the decisions regarding what to publish/withhold
http://emoprog.libsyn.com/episode-20-glenn-greenwald-and-murtaza-hussain
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2014 13:53 (nine years ago) link
never got around to posting about this:my friend who has visited brazil a couple times in the last year said that there's a local news roundtable show that greenwald appears on, but he caters his commentary and a lot of it is him strongly implying the united states is very interested in brazil's going-ons and is probably heavily spying on them
― mh, Monday, 4 August 2014 13:58 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 August 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
leave it to gg to give away the game
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Monday, 4 August 2014 14:20 (nine years ago) link
dogs and husbands -- that's all life is
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 August 2014 14:28 (nine years ago) link
Thursday Style section came early this week...
http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/08/04/business/04CARRjp3/04CARRjp3-articleLarge.jpg
― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Monday, 4 August 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
Greenwald, Poitras, Scahill appearing a week from Thurs night (free, no reservations) in Brooklyn.
Nation Books and The Intercept invite you to celebrate the paperback launch of DIRTY WARS by Jeremy Scahill.
With special guests Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, the leading journalists who broke the Edward Snowden story and blew the lid off the NSA's global and domestic surveillance ops.
FREE & OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. NO RESERVATIONS. FIRST COME-FIRST IN.https://www.facebook.com/events/725774267459266/
Event will be held on the 3rd floor of Mayday Space, located at 214 Starr Street. Take the L train to the Jefferson stop in Bushwick, Brooklyn.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
im going to that to citizens arrest glenn
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link
MISTER GREENWALD STOP
IN THE NAME OF THE LAW
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
"just kidding"
YOUR BLOG CANT PROTECT YOU HERE
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
IN BROOKLYN
ON THE THIRD FLOOR
please be wearing sunglasses when u do this
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 3 October 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
don't forget to witness lag∞n's arrest of GG tonight on the 3rd floor
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
well glenn i guess you wont be posting anymore
http://i.imgur.com/2Ph8aJw.gif
updates
― lag∞n, Thursday, 9 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link
ahaha
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 9 October 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
no arrests were made
http://bedfordandbowery.com/2014/10/scahill-greenwald-and-poitras-on-obama-isis-and-new-snowden-doc-citizen-four/
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 October 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link
i was detained at the border and all my thumb drives were removed from their ziploc bag
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 October 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link
^^^ sexx talk
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
http://inthesetimes.com/article/17403/reports_from_inside_first_look_media_suggest_that_maybe_silicon_valley_shou
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link
intercept still goin
Betsy Reed @betsyreed2 4h4 hours agoI will miss The Nation, which I will always love, but I could not be more excited to be joining @the_intercept
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 December 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
Has his readership decreased since leaving the guardian? Never hear about him anymore but that might just be because being outraged at the nsa isn't trendy now
― Treeship, Friday, 5 December 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link
dunno prob, smaller platform, also big layoff
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 December 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
I assumed his readers, at least, would follow him. I used to be a fan in college but was annoyed by his alwaysalreadyoutraged/exasperated tone, which in 2014 seems like the only writing style that still exists
― Treeship, Friday, 5 December 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link
sure hes got hardcore readers but if ur writing for a big org like the guardian ppl just see yr stuff too
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 December 2014 20:56 (nine years ago) link
i used to read him on blogspot btw og greenwald
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 December 2014 20:57 (nine years ago) link
I started reading with salon. Thats when i first really became aware of commenters
― Treeship, Friday, 5 December 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link
og greenwald
― lag∞n, Friday, December 5, 2014 12:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
is this a weed name yet
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link
annoyed by his alwaysalreadyoutraged/exasperated tone, which in 2014 seems like the only writing style that still exists― Treeship, Friday, December 5, 2014 8:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Treeship, Friday, December 5, 2014 8:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is otm
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 6 December 2014 23:34 (nine years ago) link
I have to say, one of the benefits of Tuesday, despite all my frustrations with the process, is that it has prevented anybody from denying that America tortured — and not just in the three cases of waterboarding. It actually has been a disinfectant of that central lie. I mean, for a long time, that was the debate; it wasn’t “Is torture good?” it was “These things aren’t torture!” Dick Cheney described [waterboarding] as dunking people’s head into water.
What was really annoying for those of us who were actually [covering] this is that the waterboarding was almost the least of it. It was the easiest case to call torture because there was a whole body of law calling waterboarding torture; but [the larger issue] was the entire regiment of techniques that they were using that clearly constituted torture — not on dozens or even hundreds but thousands of people, and not just at Guantánamo but around the world. It was a systematic regime of torture, and I think yesterday’s report has prevented that from being denied any longer.
And that’s why people like Nicolle Wallace and others are now resorting either to “Yes, we tortured, and we should have!” (which I think is a healthy thing to force them to say) or “Yes, we tortured, and we shouldn’t have, but we’re still the greatest thing ever to exist.”
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/11/exclusive_corrupt_toxic_and_sociopathic_glenn_greenwald_unloads_on_torture_cia_and_washingtons_rotten_soul/
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 December 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
corrupt_toxic_and_sociopathic_glenn_greenwald
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 11 December 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 14m14 minutes agoOver the last decade, some of the worst human rights abuses in Cuba have taken place at this dungeon called .... "Guantanamo".
LOL
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 18 December 2014 14:25 (nine years ago) link
the entire regiment of techniques
GET 1 (ONE) PROOFREADER.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 18 December 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link
it was a verbal interview
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 18 December 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
Unless GG very clearly pronounced the "t," I assume that whoever transcribed it introduced the error bc they didn't know the difference. This is why everything needs proofreaders.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 18 December 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
That makes sense.
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 18 December 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link
@LilianaSegura There's editing at the bar. And there's editing at the Port Authority bowling alley bar with @ggreenwald & @jeremyscahill. Our finest work.
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 December 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
Links to 4 excellent articles from the last month's worth of The Intercept, only one of which is by Greenwald, & NONE of which are about the NSA (aw, so boring! so tiresomely "trendy", "being outraged at the NSA"....folks (not 'tortured' folks) here at ILXOR are all far too cool for):
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/16/u-s-tv-media-gives-ample-platform-american-torturers-victims/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/17/billion-dollar-surveillance-blimp-launch-maryland/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/17/barrett-brown-sentenced/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/11/20/everything-know-shooting-michael-brown-darren-wilson/
― Vic Perry, Friday, 19 December 2014 00:38 (nine years ago) link
ilx is world renown for its dispassionate, Realpolitik approach to politics
― Mordy, Friday, 19 December 2014 00:40 (nine years ago) link
I Am Trying To Break Your Heart - Wilco
― Vic Perry, Friday, 19 December 2014 00:43 (nine years ago) link
http://nick.kinja.com/my-reply-slightly-edited-once-nick-unveiled-his-lets-1678511512/
― celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Sunday, 11 January 2015 06:07 (nine years ago) link
watch as they morph into the media barons they once despised
― lag∞n, Sunday, 11 January 2015 13:44 (nine years ago) link
I have no idea why something about that exchange is supposed to be revelatory.
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 January 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
is it... are u...
― lag∞n, Sunday, 11 January 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
update
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/i-live-in-terror-of-the-fanatic-who-has-only-read-one-story-whether-hes-an-islamist-murderer-or-glenn-greenwald-9984017.html
love that url
― Mordy, Sunday, 18 January 2015 23:56 (nine years ago) link
what the hell is that?
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 19 January 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41mDjRVwzBL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link
I love the way Mordy keeps doubling down on the stupid long after his little gee-ha-ha-had on Greenwald has utterly gone wrong-side-of-history.
From the "awesome" url posted:
"A Paris jihadist spoke of turning to terror after seeing Americans torturing Iraqi prisoners on television. It is not to defend such barbarities to say they were but one side of a savage conflict. They too had a past."
defend the indefensible: torture. Right man, there was probably a really good reason for that stuff. Let's hear what it was.
"They did not express the immutable will or character of the American people."
No it wasn't "immutable." After falling all over themselves to support it and freaking out at all dissent, the American people then comfortably blamed it on Bush as soon as they realized it was a stupid move, and all talk of the overwhelming support of 2003 went bye-bye.
"A half-truth is a half-lie."
This is just too brilliant for me to mess with. Go on.
"The invasion of Iraq, however botched, had a past we falsify if we see it only as a story of Western skulduggery."
Right, there was some "good way" to do the "invasion of Iraq".
"It is a false tale, falsely told, that Israelis wantonly butcher children in Gaza."
Right "wantonly" is unfair. Buh-bye now.
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 01:25 (nine years ago) link
"wrong-side-of-history" < i love this phrase on the left. just keep repeating it over and over and you start to feel like everyone agrees w/ you, or if they don't, at least history will vindicate yr beliefs after yr death
― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 01:36 (nine years ago) link
i don't think that greenwald is beyond criticism but that article is pretty damned stupid.
also and fuck the guy who wrote this forever:
A Paris jihadist spoke of turning to terror after seeing Americans torturing Iraqi prisoners on television. It is not to defend such barbarities to say they were but one side of a savage conflict. They too had a past. They did not express the immutable will or character of the American people. A half-truth is a half-lie. The invasion of Iraq, however botched, had a past we falsify if we see it only as a story of Western skulduggery.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 19 January 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link
yeah god forbid we have any nuance in politics, it might obscure our agenda
― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link
"vidicate yr beliefs after yr death"???? Mordy, believe it or not I don't have any ill will for you....nah, that's too steep of a belief curve to try to pitch.
So. You are a couple of years past the wrong side of history, at least, with this thread title and continued provocations. Wrong side of history chosen not by the "left", much less by me personally, but by establishment media figures: Pulitzer Prize, great reviews for the book, Oscar nomination for the movie related to the work, you get the picture. Warm relations with Steven Colbert, Rachel Maddow, Bill Moyers, Ta-Nehesi Coates, too name a few. New York Times doing cute story about his dogs. You get the picture.
You wanted to portray Greenwald as a hateful fringe figure. You lost ages ago. If you are right about him, know that you are occupying a much more lonely place than you probably imagined. Go all Nietzsche on the mountaintop (or Moses on the mountaintop, or Julie Andrews on the mountaintop) if you need to, but don't try to act like you speak for some kind of average sensible position anymore.
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 01:50 (nine years ago) link
i think the world's had enough 'nuanced' takes on the most destructive and inexcusable act of u.s. foreign policy of the last 50 years, thx very much
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 19 January 2015 01:51 (nine years ago) link
vic perry, believe it or not i have no idea who you are (maybe an old poster w/ a new dn) but you have yet to offer anything interesting enough to be worth responding to so if u forgive me i'll leave you to start your own glenn greenwald thread and stay off mine.
― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 01:55 (nine years ago) link
believe it or not I don't have any ill will for you....nah, that's too steep of a belief curve to try to pitch.
like what kind of nonsense is this? sub-morbius ilx poster has ill will for me? god get over yourself.
― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 01:58 (nine years ago) link
Nope, I don't believe it, since you attacked me by name just a couple of weeks ago. Presumably you have so many fights you can't actually remember to whom you are responding anymore?
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:06 (nine years ago) link
oh wow i totally know who you are now the guy who said something stupid a couple of weeks ago
― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:08 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I'm that guy, the vaguely anti-somethingorother blur you flail at before losing consciousness.
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:10 (nine years ago) link
that was sarcasm bro.
― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:11 (nine years ago) link
It's okay, the internet remembers everything for you.
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:14 (nine years ago) link
Anyway, is this "your" thread? You have some kind of say over who posts here, and what they say?
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:17 (nine years ago) link
"You are a couple of years past the wrong side of history, at least, with this thread title and continued provocations."
i was just trying to say if it bothers you so much you don't have to hang out here
― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:18 (nine years ago) link
woah, i just noticed -- "continued provocations" who knows what to do w/ that. are you glenn greenwald?
― Mordy, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:19 (nine years ago) link
You don't have any arguments, do you. Just ad hominem, not particularly clever ad hominem.
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:38 (nine years ago) link
it's that time where I quote myself for levity
― mh, Monday, August 4, 2014 8:58 AM (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
dude works it for his perceived audience
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 19 January 2015 02:42 (nine years ago) link
Brazil is the world's 5th largest country in size and population. I think I'm missing the joke.
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 03:05 (nine years ago) link
plenty of people find GG to be a shitty journalist, an asshole, and a self-promoting sack'o'shit but yeah, let's let history judge
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 19 January 2015 03:09 (nine years ago) link
Oh no, the dreaded "plenty of people". They should probably pool their resources. Or maybe they should pee in a pool.
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 03:14 (nine years ago) link
he'd prob say the same if he lived in Tuvalu xxp
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 19 January 2015 03:16 (nine years ago) link
Undoubtedly I'm a troll for pointing out that you have to go speculative with that claim.
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 03:18 (nine years ago) link
xp instead of "plenty of people" I should have said "me and my buddies"
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 19 January 2015 03:18 (nine years ago) link
Fair enough.
― Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 03:23 (nine years ago) link
mordy, there's plenty to criticize about GG, but that thinkpiece you posted is really dumb. stop posting dumb thinkpieces. :(
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 19 January 2015 03:59 (nine years ago) link
as if there are smart thinkpieces
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 19 January 2015 04:04 (nine years ago) link
i'll leave you to start your own glenn greenwald thread and stay off mine.
Mordy occupying the thread
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 January 2015 05:49 (nine years ago) link
― valleys of your mind (mh), Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:16 PM (Yesterday)
i'd be more surprised if the US govt weren't spying on brazil than if they were
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 January 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
as if there are smart thinkpieces― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
once upon a blue moon...
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 19 January 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
http://gawker.com/reporter-fabricated-quotes-invented-sources-at-the-int-1756672849
there's not an intercept thread, figured this was the best place. yikes
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:02 (eight years ago) link
It's the editor's fault p.s. i have cancer.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:04 (eight years ago) link
yikes, apparently the journalist sent out emails impersonating his own boss?
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link
weirdly, this scenario kind of resonated with me as a teacher. sometimes students will get themselves in a heap of trouble and then blame some unspecified medical condition or family emergency for it, long after the fact.
Why is this in a thread about Glenn Greenwald?
― Pentenema Karten, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 23:02 (eight years ago) link
― k3vin k., Wednesday, February 3, 2016 4:02 PM (2 hours ago)
― i was hoping the shitlords would not take this quietly (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 23:07 (eight years ago) link
ha ha I just discovered that one of my posts in this thread was quoted in an academic book:
https://books.google.com/books?id=ed9GAwAAQBAJ&pg=PR22&lpg=PR22&dq=digital+rhetoric+and+global+literacies&source=bl&ots=5DnuAhyso3&sig=2JadX9qlxk0Xoy7XcJx_BN8dvjw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipztatkOLKAhWG2RoKHeK2C6UQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage&q=digital%20rhetoric%20and%20global%20literacies&f=false
THEY ARE WATCHING US
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Saturday, 6 February 2016 02:51 (eight years ago) link
maybe this will work:
https://books.google.com/books?id=ed9GAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=president+keyes+i+love+music&source=bl&ots=5DnuAhuli2&sig=DB7JVVtRb3WdkLMY8wl3gf-qCiQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_9cHP_uHKAhWD5BoKHT-5CtgQ6AEIQTAJ#v=onepage&q=president%20keyes%20i%20love%20music&f=false
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Saturday, 6 February 2016 02:53 (eight years ago) link
wow lol
― k3vin k., Saturday, 6 February 2016 02:54 (eight years ago) link
not sure if the author knew I was doing an interpolation of the famous Karl Rove (?) quote
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Saturday, 6 February 2016 02:58 (eight years ago) link
you, always with the arch theorizing.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 February 2016 03:01 (eight years ago) link
DISEMBODIED EXHIBITIONISM (President Keyes)
― mookieproof, Saturday, 6 February 2016 04:03 (eight years ago) link
memoir title suggestion
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 February 2016 12:24 (eight years ago) link
I don't regularly read him or The Intercept and hadn't even realized he was based in Brazil. I thought this was a pretty good and fair-minded piece:
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/24/glenn_greenwald_brazils_democracy_is_under
― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
Yep. The article is linked in that Democracy Now story
― curmudgeon, Friday, 25 March 2016 14:12 (eight years ago) link
yes, i heard that on the radio yesterday.
G.G. is very smart and i like what he has to say, but i have to admit i can barely stand his iteration of the valley-girl whine/vocal fry. he sounds like cher horowitz with a lisp. :(
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 25 March 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
this guy is pretty much a trump partisan at this point
― Treeship, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link
Trump's a fascist. Trump is Hitler. Trump is setting up camps. "Nothing is more disgusting" than people who throw things in protest.Glenn Greenwald added,Claire McCaskill @clairecmcNothing is more unAmerican than protesters who are not peaceful. Disgusting.RETWEETS235LIKES618jennifer dillonPeter WeinmannBad News BradDrew EllsworthMirelaJonathan HaskinFlaxeLaxenMark SheridanJoshua Keep11:41 AM - 20 Jan 201750 replies 235 retweets 618 likesReply 50 Retweet 235 Like 618 Matt Bond @Bonderman92 42m42 minutes agoMore @ggreenwald what camps?3 replies 0 retweets 2 likesReply 3 Retweet Like 2 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 40m40 minutes agoMore @Bonderman92 I'm summarizing the Democrats' messaging, not adopting it myself.6 replies 1 retweet 22 likes
― Treeship, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link
that was unreadable, but basically his imperial know-it-all-itness is getting fucking tiring. no critique of trump is complete without a stab at the democrats. all concerns about an openly nationalist candidate promising a radical break with tradition must be countered with an accusation of "hypocrisy" and "hysteria." he just sucks. this act is tired.
― Treeship, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
i'm not his biggest fan in the world but that's not true
― goole, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
he's criticizing democrats for being alarmist in rhetoric *while also* being timid in action.
you say trump is the beginning of a fascist wave sweeping the country? then don't chide scuffles in the streets as "unamerican"
― goole, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
sorry treesh, yer bananas
Glenn Greenwald RetweetedZaid Jilani @ZaidJilani 2h2 hours ago
Donald Trump preaches angry nationalism, while practicing Goldman Sachs capitalism https://interc.pt/2jxKryX by yours truly
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
the Dem leaders' incompetence and inability to critique Trump's gold-plated elitism gave us this day, i'm fine w/ saying fuck them every 5 minutes
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
lol i think he just deleted a tweet. it said something like "C.I.A. didn't forget to give Trump a gift for his inauguration day," and linked to this NYT story: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html
i guess he realized pretty quickly that protecting the sanctity of Trump's inauguration day probably didn't fit the brand
― Mordy, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link
oh nm it's still up:https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/822439520780029952
― Mordy, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
more worried about Yehuda Glick and Netanyahu than Russia
xo
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2017 20:48 (seven years ago) link
so scary the US moving the embassy to west jerusalem
― Mordy, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link
Greenwald's smug tone is totally wrong for this moment. He just shruggingly says "the corrupt deep state is at war with the new fascist president, just like them huh" *rolls eyes* as if that is 1.) normal and 2.) the most plausible answer to the multiple links between Trump and the Kremlin. It's as if those things couldn't possible be connected to Trump's Putinesque desire for a fractured Europe and an end to NATO.
Like, maybe too much is being made of coincidences -- maybe the CIA is framing Trump or something -- but wouldn't that also be a fucking weird thing to be happening?
― Treeship, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link
it is interesting that the settler colonial state is a scarier prospect to world peace than the country killing more ppl in syria than the entire history of the israeli/arab conflict and who most recently annexed a chunk of another actually existing country
― Mordy, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link
I feel like part of what motivated Greenwald is protecting the Wikileaks brand
― Treeship, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
you bet it is, genius, plus a Likud maniac blessing DT in D.C. yesterday as "king of the United States"
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
*moves bookmark*
― k3vin k., Friday, 20 January 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
yes why is it so scary exactly? why shouldn't the capital be in west jerusalem? bc not even west jerusalem should be a part of israel?
― Mordy, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
shouldn't it be in*
― Mordy, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
Greenwald spent most of the last month of the race between Clinton and Trump disseminating Russian hacks attacking Clinton. He's been extremely defensive ever since.
― Frederik B, Friday, 20 January 2017 21:01 (seven years ago) link
Glick told The Intercept that many in Israel didn’t feel like Obama was willing to consider their point of view. “Can you imagine the president of France saying, ‘Listen I don’t think it’s a good idea that Washington should be your capital. Maybe Orlando!'”
(The residents of Washington, D.C. may be without full voting rights but they are not militarily occupied or denied citizenship like the Palestinians in East Jerusalem.)
“Jerusalem is the capital of Israel whether you like it or you don’t,” he concluded.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/19/israeli-lawmakers-celebrate-the-new-king-of-the-united-states-with-evangelicals/
http://www.btselem.org/topic/jerusalem
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2017 21:04 (seven years ago) link
you didn't answer my question - the status of east jerusalem is a non-sequitar to the question of why the embassy shouldn't be in west jerusalem
― Mordy, Friday, 20 January 2017 21:06 (seven years ago) link
maybe give it a think - it might give you some insight into a conflict you've until now only followed through twitter one liners.
― Mordy, Friday, 20 January 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
*bookmarks thread*
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 January 2017 21:09 (seven years ago) link
guess what idgaf about
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
Judd Apatow!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 January 2017 21:15 (seven years ago) link
The respect of others? Whether anybody reads your idiotic one-note posts? Having any measurable impact on the world at all?
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 20 January 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
I was just gonna go with "anything"
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Friday, 20 January 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link
great discussion guys
― k3vin k., Friday, 20 January 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link
somehow worse than treeship's pantswetting revive
at least treeship didn't suggest the cia try to get rid of greenwald
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 20 January 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
who did
― Mordy, Friday, 20 January 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link
Pinned TweetGlenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 12"Russian agent" - noun - "One who criticizes Democratic Party leaders." Syn: "Useful idiot, Putin loyalist, Kremlin spy."59 replies 439 retweets 1,054 likes
guesses on how much longer this stays the pinned tweet?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 05:04 (seven years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 14:07 (seven years ago) link
Morbs?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
ah it's the Think Tank Triumvirate!
(j/k Tom is much smarter than you other two vertebrates)
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 16:47 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure he flattered
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 16:58 (seven years ago) link
he's*
I admit I had to wiki it in my confusion, but... aren't we all vertebrates?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
ILX annual checkups on March 1
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
He meant invertebrates, Fred.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link
i didn't actually, telepath, i was giving you the BotD
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
At least Fred admits when he doesn't know what a word means.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:37 (seven years ago) link
I don't know what BotD means. I'm assuming the D stands for Dick, and not entirely comfortable with where this discussion is going.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link
he was calling you lower forms of life by referring to you by subphylum rather than species
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link
reminder that this all started when fred decided to take an unprovoked potshot at morbs
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
xp is that a real thing? i've heard of ppl using invertebrate as an insult or even reprobate. i've never heard someone use vertebrate as an insult. occum's razor suggests that the brilliant film critic just a characteristically dumb mistake rather than he was using language in a novel and difficult to parse way. it's a bit sleep is where i'm a viking.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link
Mordy and Fred, together at last.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
― k3vin k., 14. februar 2017 18:44 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I assumed that was what El Tomboto was doing as well?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
is any potshot at morbs unprovoked at this point?
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:54 (seven years ago) link
youre such a little prisonpunk, Mord
benefit of the Drumpf, FB
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), 14. februar 2017 18:42 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
But... isn't subphylum a higher rank than species?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
yes, that insult definitely makes sense. i'm easily bullied by ppl into working for them. you have quite a way with words. i understand why you decided to make a career out of it. xp
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
To be fair, the fact that Morbs seems not to have developed his insult-capacities that well speaks well of his reviewing skills. The whole name-calling thing is such hackery.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
i quit film criticism 3 years ago btw, for the good of all
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
this fucking guyhttps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/846334735169261569
― Mordy, Monday, 27 March 2017 13:18 (seven years ago) link
what do your studies show, dingaling?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 March 2017 14:05 (seven years ago) link
wonder if you can figure out why this framing is lying w/ statistics
― Mordy, Monday, 27 March 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link
that's nice
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 March 2017 14:10 (seven years ago) link
Morbs is kinda the scott adams of ilxor, here to explain why your inability to grok stats makes your assclowneyness predictable and boorring.
― wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Monday, 27 March 2017 14:15 (seven years ago) link
blow me
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 March 2017 14:16 (seven years ago) link
Monday's off to a good start!
― Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Monday, 27 March 2017 14:20 (seven years ago) link
Philipp Rudiger @PhilippJFR 3h3 hours ago
@ggreenwald @MattBruenig This is asinine, "The majority of candidate Xs votes came from 66% of the electorate" is not a headline.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 March 2017 15:09 (seven years ago) link
I'm going to copy what I said about this article on Facebook over here:
Let's look at this a little closer:Here are the percentages of Trump's support in the overall poll broken down by demographic:White men: 21%White women: 19%Black men: 1.6%Black women: 0.2%Latino men: 1.6%Latino women 1.9%The story here is not "more women and people of color supported Donald Trump in this poll". The story is "Donald Trump's support is overwhelmingly made up of white people". This article is an attempt to make white men who don't like Trump feel better about their demographic.
Here are the percentages of Trump's support in the overall poll broken down by demographic:
White men: 21%White women: 19%Black men: 1.6%Black women: 0.2%Latino men: 1.6%Latino women 1.9%
The story here is not "more women and people of color supported Donald Trump in this poll". The story is "Donald Trump's support is overwhelmingly made up of white people". This article is an attempt to make white men who don't like Trump feel better about their demographic.
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 27 March 2017 15:11 (seven years ago) link
Or, to put it another way for those who really want this to be the fault of non-white people: if you remove non-white people from the poll, Trump wins handily. We are not the reason Trump won. Handle your shit.
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 27 March 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
seems to me "women" is the relevant point here, those who got missed in the attempt to Make History
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 March 2017 15:17 (seven years ago) link
I'm not sure how you missed the 8 million "election results show that racism trumps sexism with white women, something that practically every person of color in this country could have told you while rolling their eyes at your naivety" thinkpieces from November and December but we've already talked all of this to death.
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 27 March 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link
I didn't miss those.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 March 2017 15:26 (seven years ago) link
so to summarize, Mordy playin' Gotcha with Greenwald, v boring, back to I Love Baseball
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 March 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
I don't hate Greenwald or Bruenig like some folks here, but it's aggressively stupid to combine "women and POC" in this. Yes, white women voted for Trump - we knew that from the day after the election and have always known that women's voting patterns follow the same patterns as men when it comes to race (the difference in how 'women' vote usually comes down to black women making up a large percentage of that voting demographic).
IIRC, the only group that Trump won outright was white evangelicals (male and female)... who happen to make up a quarter of the electorate and vote Republican as much as black Americans vote Democratic.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 27 March 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
i'm a bit late to this convo, but that's bookmarks for you
i'm not exactly going to defend bruenig, because i don't trust his politics and he gets on my nerves, but this is an obvious troll. i think he deletes tweets regularly, but he said as much in convos about this piece. he likes to see liberals spin their wheels.
his argument is that the "women and people of color" framing is racist. because the categories aren't really the same. women and people of color added together make up, what, 75% of the country? so yes, donald trump's voting coalition is going to be "majority women and people of color." so using that frame doesn't tell you much, in the end.
it was also, i gather, written against a strong strain of contempt from elite democrats for poor people who voted for trump, more or less actively wishing for their deaths so we could have better politics again.
i mean, someone chimed into a related convo (btw greenwald and talib kweli) with this gem:
https://twitter.com/Hottyrotty/status/847255201568313344
If a Trump voter gets harassed and/or killed b/c he is black than fuck him. He had it coming
yeah sure it's just some rando asshole but it's an extremely common attitude. it's common on ilx!
― goole, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link
yes a comment sentiment on ilx
― Mordy, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
common*
i still don't get what bruenig's argument is -- that talking about women and POC as a monolithic group is racist and that's why he did it? idgi.
― Mordy, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
his point is the point he always has: that liberals are suckers with bad ideas
― goole, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
i guess when you have a dumb point you tend to make dumb arguments to support it
― Mordy, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
saying a black trump voter had his violent death coming to him is a common sentiment on ilx??
― k3vin k., Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:54 (seven years ago) link
i'm wary of breunig for exactly the same reasons goole is but i still like him. i don't trust that he's always *right* about things and he more or less exists (on twitter at least -- i know he's done some good irl research) to be a troll, but he trolls the right people and he's pretty funny
― k3vin k., Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link
let the record show that goole also believes April and May are indistinguishable
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 13 April 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
There aren't enough black people on ILX for that sentiment to be common.
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 13 April 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
bump
― Mordy, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 03:59 (six years ago) link
i bet you think he's the editor of the Intercept, fucko
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 05:11 (six years ago) link
what could've ever given me that idea
http://imgur.com/pHZfEMm.jpg
― Mordy, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 05:49 (six years ago) link
yeah well you're a stupidhead
― j., Tuesday, 6 June 2017 06:07 (six years ago) link
seems like an honorific
he just recently insidted he is not the hands-on editor
and i know you read his every tweet, puss
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 10:36 (six years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/bhyCkEhXAgDw4/giphy.gif
― he's also fouled up with NON-FAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 10:37 (six years ago) link
plus it appears Greenwald is skeptical of the veracity of the document at the center of the story.
Journalism requires that document be published and reported. Rationality requires it be read skeptically.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 5, 2017
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 10:43 (six years ago) link
if he was involved in the story's publication i think he'd be one of the writers (4 of em) on the byline.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 10:45 (six years ago) link
Statement of Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill: pic.twitter.com/HJACKjKjtz— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 13, 2017
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
glenn greenwald v. rachel maddow ~ fight!
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/rachel-maddows-exclusive-scoop-about-a-fake-nsa-document-raises-several-key-questions/
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 8 July 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
Whatever, Glenn. The Intercept is still at fault for not covering Reality Winner's tracks well enough that she's in jail right now.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 8 July 2017 15:46 (six years ago) link
His ability to still burn through 1000 words on something only he cares about and publish the whole thing is truly phenomenal
It's a shame "the left" can't do better than this guy and Freddie DeBoer, if the stuff they claim to care about is really so important - are all editors liberal? Is that the thing?
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 8 July 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
Maddow said her report should serve as a “heads up” to other news organizations that someone is attempting to destroy the credibility of those who report on Trump’s connections to Russia by purposely giving them false information. She suggested, without stating, that this may have been what caused CNN and other outlets recently to publish reports about Trump and/or Russia that ended up being retracted.
lol so weak.
yeah greenwald sells to his audience maddow sells to hers that is their jobs how any of is this phenomenal
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 8 July 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link
Is the implication she is roosting, or that she is concern trolling? I'm not even clear what his beef is, I should read it, but srsly fuck that it's gg.
― popcorn michael awaits trumptweet (Hunt3r), Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link
From what I could stand to skim, he feels that The Intercept's source for the NSA document has now been revealed as a phony weasel, meaning he fell for some phony bullshit, so he's going ham to suggest that it is unreasonable to suggest that he would ever get played.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:15 (six years ago) link
I don't think Greenwald was involved in the NSA story.
This one seems to be a relatively straightforward dispute over whether someone who appears to have created a fake NSA document and sent it to Maddow using the Intercept doc as a template did it before or after the Intercept published. If it was after, it could have been anyone, if it was before, the theory goes, it would have to be someone with access - or the result of Intercept getting hacked. It's not necessarily worth 1000 words of anyone's time.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
no one actually believes he had no involvement in the NSA story right? like there's no way this guy of all guys had no involvement in a major leak from the NSA published in his zine.
― Mordy, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
There's this grave air of importance in the writing of that piece, as if it's a really explosive political story. But the whole point is just defending The Intercept themselves from accusations of wrongdoing. And yeah, they seem to be right. But that piece, in that tone, is really only something you write if your head has gotten so far up your own ass that you begin to believe other people see you as the most important person in the world as well.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
Also, if it was before, the source could be the same for both.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 8 July 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
Gym Teacher Maddow has done a whole fuck of a lot more harm than you Centrists believe GG has
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 July 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link
Brought to you by "Telling Pejoritives" revealing yesterday's persistent childhood traumas...today.
― popcorn michael awaits trumptweet (Hunt3r), Sunday, 9 July 2017 01:29 (six years ago) link
Of course, nobody here has argued that the spat between Maddow and Greenwald should be determined by who has done more damage, and that the answer in that case would be Greenwald. But I do think it's important for all of us to recognize that gym teachers are the fucking worst.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 9 July 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link
no u are
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 July 2017 02:12 (six years ago) link
Since when does my fellow American take a dive in this matchup
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 9 July 2017 02:23 (six years ago) link
Is Lee Fang having a breakdown or something?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 5 August 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
link
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 5 August 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
Check his Twitter. He took a tweet from a thread complaining about Bernie Sanders' position on race and said liberals are just like Richard Spencer's. Then said that people who want more minorities in leadership positions are like British and Japanese colonizers. Because voting for Kamala Harris would be like the rape of Nanking all over again, I suppose.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 5 August 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link
well that was ten minutes completely wasted
I assume he threw his phone in a body of water 16 hours ago
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 5 August 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
Yeah, probably. Or perhaps Glenn got to him. Or Killary!
― Frederik B, Saturday, 5 August 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
Many of the most famous recent police shootings were by minority officers, most abuse-ridden border patrol units had Latino leadership— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 6 August 2017 01:48 (six years ago) link
Well, Glenn is also kinda going full on trumpkin.
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/05/whats-worse-trumps-campaign-agenda-or-empowering-generals-and-cia-operatives-to-subvert-it/
(this is not a hard question he is posing)
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 01:51 (six years ago) link
I mean, this is just a rephrasing of "hire more women guards" really
Lockheed Martin has an award winning diversity program, a woman as CEO, hasn't changed their behavior helping to bomb women in Yemen— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017
I certainly get arguing that corrupt systems can't be reformed simply through more diverse hiring strategies, but his tweets could use a bit of uh finesse. I did not see the more obviously batshit sounding ones mentioned upthread.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 01:56 (six years ago) link
Liberals disagree w/Richard Spencer's policy outlook but share his core belief that race alone determines your value in society pic.twitter.com/kTyh7DDQDj— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017
Worth noting the guy he is comparing to Richard Spencer is Jewish...
tired: politicians should have the experience & policies to do the most to help people of colorwired: measure politicians' skull shapes— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017
Japanese and British empires pacified their colonies with puppet leaders plucked from local ethnic groups. It's a successful strategy.— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017
Really, the Japanese empire was pacified through mass murder and rape, but, you know. Phrenology!
I'm beginning to think these guys are just stupid? They're just old-school know-nothings, who has no knowledge about history, social movements, and stick together their worldview through cherry picking details. How bad must you're memory be to write something like this: 'Whatever else there is to say about Trump, it is simply a fact that the 2016 election saw elite circles in the U.S., with very few exceptions, lining up with remarkable fervor behind his Democratic opponent.'
I kinda find the Greenwald article fascinating, in the way he seems to think Trump and generals are opposed. Like, Trump is openly an authoritarian, he adores the military, police, everyone who can kill people, except if he thinks they are against him.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:13 (six years ago) link
As the Atlantic’s Rosie Gray reports, McMaster has successfully fired several national security officials aligned with Steve Bannon and the nationalistic, purportedly non-interventionist foreign policy and anti-Muslim worldview Trump advocated throughout the election. As Gray notes, this has provoked anger among Trump supporters who view the assertion of power by these Generals as an undemocratic attack against the policies for which the electorate voted.
[...]
The combination of the “Goldman Boys” and the Generals has taken over, Wilson crows, and is destroying the Bannon-led agenda on which Trump campaigned.
Whatever else is true, there is now simply no question that there is open warfare between adherents to the worldview Trump advocated in order to win, and the permanent national security power faction in Washington that – sometimes for good, and sometimes for evil – despises that agenda.
the military triumvirate of Kelly, Mattis and McMaster has been cast as the noble defenders of American democracy, pitted against those who were actually elected to lead the government.
In terms of some of the popular terms that are often thrown around these days – such as “authoritarianism” and “democratic norms” and “U.S. traditions” – it’s hard to imagine many things that would pose a greater threat to all of that than empowering the National Security State (what, before Trump, has long been called the Deep State) to exert precisely the power that is supposed to be reserved exclusively for elected officials.
Like, I'm picking sentences out of a long article, but this is kinda chilling. I mean, it's all just different officials Trump has chosen, for one reason or another, but Greenwald is quite openly declaring that anything other than putting Bannonites and the Bannonite ideology in charge would be a subversion of the American democracy.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:24 (six years ago) link
Yeah, military types slowly taking over the administration is worrisome and some of the press around it has been very dumb, but GG's angle/tone on it is super weird.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:35 (six years ago) link
Of course he is. That's his job; it's what he is paid to do.
The Intercept is a medium for right-wing psyops: to split the left and encourage true progressive voters to stay home, or waste their ballots on vanity candidates and write-ins. That is the sum of it.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:37 (six years ago) link
:/
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:38 (six years ago) link
I'm pretty sure it's just an outfit for leftists who sometimes write and express themselves poorly.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:39 (six years ago) link
El Tomboto, you're sounding worryingly like Lee Fang right now... ;)
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:40 (six years ago) link
But this is so weird that it's not enough for me to say that it's 'just' expressed poorly. There's clearly something pretty fucked up going on here. The support for Bannon, the constant conspiratorial thinking. I mean, partly it's obviously because they're idiots, but it's a very peculiar form of idiocy.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:45 (six years ago) link
I think about what I would do in my adversary's shoes and much of what The Intercept does fits a model. Coming off strong, right to the precipice of unhinged, is what a Tombot does.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:52 (six years ago) link
Again: :/
I think GG's (who tbh I do have a lot of respect for from his work on the expansion of the surveillance state) particular strain of deeply contrarian lib-bashing has broken something in his brain. I don't think it's more complicated than that.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:54 (six years ago) link
Why is The Intercept alive and well when Gawker is not? Why is Wikileaks still a thing when its Dear Leader has been in a basement for years? 🤔
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 August 2017 02:56 (six years ago) link
Um, there are plenty of strong leftist outlets that I see get shared around more than The Intercept and no one is suing them out of existence. Again, the simplest explanation is "GG is a bad writer now." It happens.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
Greenwald's role in the exposure of FVEY SIGINT overreach is grossly exaggerated. He never had anything to lose, he lives in Brazil. The whistleblowers he rode the coattails of have/had serious charges against them.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 August 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
I don't care how much danger he was or wasn't in or how involved he was. I'm saying the writing/reporting, as written, was solid (and tonally appropriate for what was being divulged), as opposed to his current work.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 03:06 (six years ago) link
He seems to get a pass for a lot of stuff in some quarters (like having supported the Iraq war) because he goes after libs. Greenwald went on Laura Ingraham's show to complain about the democrats "crazy Russia conspiracy" and had Tucker Carlson on the Intercept podcast to do the same. His weighted focus on condemning those conspiracies comes across like running interference for Trump, especially since he hypocritically ignored the Seth Rich stories that Wikileaks pushed.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 6 August 2017 03:25 (six years ago) link
If every hypocrite was part of a shadowy psyop...
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 03:28 (six years ago) link
I agree that lefties have a tendency to ignore GG's trespasses (I say this as a commie who's always down for a well-contructed lib takedown).
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 03:32 (six years ago) link
ftr I do probably also lean toward "broken brain" as the explanation
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 6 August 2017 03:43 (six years ago) link
Lots of busted windbag bloggers out there with no bankroll
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 August 2017 05:10 (six years ago) link
I fully agree with the 'broken brain' explanation, though as he supported the Iraq War, I doubt there was that much brain to break to begin with. But I still think it's important to figure out how it is his brain has broken. I mean, he mentions neither the Rothschilds nor the Soros, but erase the stuff on the arms (as Cernovich did), and the whole conspiracy idea is a stones throw away from this:
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/2017-08/McMasterLeaksOriginalImage.jpg
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 08:58 (six years ago) link
To recap, Lee Fang is racist, Glenn Greenwald is an anti-Semite.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:01 (six years ago) link
The Intercept as a right-wing fifth column sounds like the liberal version of how every lefty org has a guy yelling COINTELPRO about every new person or critical take on the party/group.
― louie mensch (milo z), Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:05 (six years ago) link
tbf, most left orgs aren't bankrolled by libertarian billionaires. It's interesting to ask why Omidyar puts the money up but idk how much editorial input he has.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:08 (six years ago) link
Twitter is a cesspool and all of Fang's tweets are just horribly worded versions of "the problem is systemic" and he's right that you can't just write off abuse and violence in law enforcement and border security as "racist white cops" - the abuses run deeper and confronting those causes goes well beyond diversity in policing. You can say he's arguing with a liberal strawman there but it's not racism on his part.
He's also less wrong than Fred re: the Japanese. The conquest of Burma was not exactly Manchuria Pt. 2 and the Japanese effectively used anti-colonial sentiment and leadership against the British up until the tides of the war turned and the Japanese used up what goodwill they had started out with among the anti-colonial population. It's not exactly what Fang tried to fit into a Tweet but it's less wrong than just waving your hand and saying the Japanese just used "mass murder and rape."
― louie mensch (milo z), Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:24 (six years ago) link
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), 6. august 2017 11:01 (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Honestly, that seems as good an explanation of any... It fits quite well with Greenwald's support for Bannonite 'nationalism' against a shadowy conspiracy of 'wall street boys'.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:24 (six years ago) link
milo, you do know the Japanese invaded other places than Burma, right?
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:25 (six years ago) link
As a guiding principle, intemperate arguments between American POC activists on Twitter about the politics of race and representation probably don't need white guys thousands of miles away weighing in with speculation on who has mental health issues and who The Real Racist is.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:31 (six years ago) link
Is Glenn Greenwald a POC?
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:31 (six years ago) link
Or did your spellcheck change POS?
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:33 (six years ago) link
Perpetually Obtuse Scandinavian
― soref, Sunday, 6 August 2017 12:31 (six years ago) link
The Intercept is a left leaning website that is highly critical of the American national security state. They don't want to give up this critical posture in the name of solidarity with hawkish Trump opponents. They fear hysteria about Trump is being used as a pretext to foment conflict with Russia and strengthen the neoconservative, Pan-American worldview. Agree or disagree with these sentiments, they're all completely logical and have nothing to do with a Russian plot.
― Treeship, Sunday, 6 August 2017 12:50 (six years ago) link
It also has nothing to do with being "pro-Trump." If they think Bannonite paleocon isolationism would be preferable to liberal interventionism it's not out of love for the former but out of a desire to see state violence curbed.
I'm not even sympathetic to the Intercept and I think they suck for all kinds of reasons but I can't abide seeing Louise Mensch style bullshit on ilx.
― Treeship, Sunday, 6 August 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
Nobody but you has used the term "pro-Trump" in this thread...
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 12:58 (six years ago) link
Greenwald is quite openly declaring that anything other than putting Bannonites and the Bannonite ideology in charge would be a subversion of the American democracy.
- Fred B
― Treeship, Sunday, 6 August 2017 13:00 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Saturday, August 5, 2017 9:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, I'm just laughing at your use of quotes.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 13:04 (six years ago) link
But the first example is quite factual. I mean, that's what the article is about, read it again if you have to.
With the other example, I don't think it's a good excuse that he is supporting the anti-Muslim and racist Bannonite agenda because he opposes this made up conspiracy he is worried about. I mean, even bigots always have their reasons, don't they?
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 13:05 (six years ago) link
I don't like Greenwald, but he does not support the anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant parts of Bannon's agenda. He thinks the tendency of that wing of the White House toward non-intervention would lead to better outcomes for, say, the civilians who get killed in US drone strikes.
Greenwald is objectionable for a ton of reasons. He does tend toward conspiratorial thinking, his worldview is Manichean, and there is a troubling strategic alliance between his people and the far right vis a vis the question of intervention. But collapsing the distinctions between these groups or impugning his motives -- implying that he thinks as he does bc he himself is "racist" -- just takes us further from reality.
― Treeship, Sunday, 6 August 2017 13:36 (six years ago) link
Sorry, you used the word "bigot" not racist
― Treeship, Sunday, 6 August 2017 13:37 (six years ago) link
can i killfile a thread?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 6 August 2017 13:38 (six years ago) link
I just said that even bigots claim other reasons for their bigotry. Y'know, they just really like states rights. But the ipso facto way you state that saying this white guy is racist would take us 'further from reality' is really quite fucking weird. Especially when I'm not doing so. And even with the obvious parallels to anti-semitism, if you asked I would say I don't think he believes in these conspiracies because he is an anti-semite. I just note that his conspiratorial thinking has moved to this dark and crazy place, which is worth taking note of.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 6 August 2017 14:13 (six years ago) link
Fred, does Denmark lack the concept of "an example"?
― louie mensch (milo z), Sunday, 6 August 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 August 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
simon H otm
greenwald has areas of expertise (mostly constitutional law) on which he is/was legitimately an authority and very readable. when he veers into punditry is when he loses the plot.
lee fang just seems like a troll
― k3vin k., Sunday, 6 August 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
How can a guy who has gone on fox news and interviewed tucker carlson say shit like this with a straight face?
Bill Kristol, David Frum & other blood-stained neocons know Trump Era has gifted them with renewed credibility thanks to embrace of Dems: https://t.co/CYJco7DswQ— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) August 10, 2017
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
I don't know. How can the opinions of Frederik B. who has posted on ilxor.com, a message board rife with racists and pedophiles, be trusted?
― President Keyes, Thursday, 10 August 2017 14:37 (six years ago) link
how dare u i'm not a racist
― for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 August 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
I think the amount of shit GG can say with a straight face is limitless. He probably tried to tell a joke once.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 10 August 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
And once again: It's extra ironic that he himself supported the Iraq War... It's like the one thing he can't forgive, and he himself did it. He's like a born-again who hates on all his old friends for not having seen the light yet. But being racist, oh well, shit happens.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
Have you recanted any of your former positions, Fred? Maybe your love of so many horrible films?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 August 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
No, I have a remarkable talent for getting things right immediately.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
(also, the point isn't that he got the Iraq War wrong, the point is that he seems obsessed with the people who started the Iraq War, to the extent that he will overlook the crimes of everyone else if they say something negative about neo-conservatism. it seems more personal than anything at this point)
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link
yeah he should take a page from Hillary's book and just pretend it never happened maybe take a photo op with a gold star family
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:15 (six years ago) link
I just find his casting aspersions on McMaster, the author of "Dereliction of Duty," as a neoliberal warmonger hilarious.
I used to be annoyed by how much attention he got from the LGM coalition but lately it's been funny. Chait ripped him a new one recently too.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link
Greenwald started blogging in 2005. Do we know about his support of the 2003 invasion because of some Livejournal posts or something?
― President Keyes, Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
Chait needs to be fired into space with the rest of the War Democrats
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
Sure, but when you're so bent by your libertarian paymaster that you can get fried by the likes of Chait, you have officially passed into punchline territory
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
the libertarian stuff on The Intercept must be behind some firewall
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
― President Keyes, 10. august 2017 18:21 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's in his book 'How Would a Patriot Act'
I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president's performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
this is adorable, the wrongest ilxor shaming someone for reflecting on a time they were wrong and the factors that led to it
― qualx, Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, 10. august 2017 18:02 (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Frederik B, 10. august 2017 18:04 (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
oh I don't care
― qualx, Thursday, 10 August 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:04 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hate it when people don't give the criminals who started the iraq war a fair shake
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 August 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
That's not his point but U take it you don't actually care either
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 10 August 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
bush got half a million people killed for nothing. trump hasn't hit that mark, and until he does, i'm comfortable saying neoconservatism is worse
― goole, Thursday, 10 August 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
GG was not a public figure in 2003 and never wrote a single word advocating for the war. the paragraph fred was quoting (from a book i assume he hasn't read) is part of a mea culpa, the point of which is basically "i was a moron to assume that the president knew what he was doing." i've been disappointed by GG's work lately and haven't found him useful at all since the election but calling him an "iraq war supporter," full stop, is a distortion.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 10 August 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
I never liked the "but Trump doesn't have blood on his hands yet" argument when he campaigned on promises of war crimes, it was clear that he was capable of worse and especially now that he is cavalier about nuclear war during a potential crisis.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 10 August 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Thursday, August 10, 2017 12:16 PM (four hours ago)
well when you've lost chait...
― k3vin k., Thursday, 10 August 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
JD otm
― k3vin k., Thursday, 10 August 2017 20:41 (six years ago) link
trump's only "success" so far is unleashing ICE. otherwise, though terrifying and humiliating, he's been a failure
― goole, Thursday, 10 August 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
x-post: Bullshit. My friend Kim from highschool supported the Iraq War as well, and even though he never did anything at all and was a stupid kid from a country that didn't matter, of course he was an "Iraq War Supporter."
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link
The mental hoops you guys jump through sometimes...
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
idgaf about people's opinions when they were in high school. have you ever met a teenager? they're idiots.
i similarly don't really care *that* much about someone's beliefs before they became a public figure. when your opinions and decisions actually start to mean something (for example, you're a US senator), i care a little more about the thought you put into things and the conclusions you come to
― k3vin k., Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
i knew plenty of ppl back in 2002 and 2003 who were sufficiently confused or awed by the amount of propaganda coming out of the administration (often helped by the press) that they didn't oppose the war. i don't judge them the same way i do politicians, pundits, or any other public figures who jumped on the bandwagon and loudly advocated for the invasion. (one of whom, btw, was the candidate frederik b stridently advocated for here during the primary season last year.)
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link
I was completely snowed by the Bush admin throughout 2002-3 and have never forgiven them for it. I was basically an unwitting Colin Powell and I'm sure some evidence of that is all over ILE.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:20 (six years ago) link
yeah i read too much hitchens after 9/11 but i thought reading the nation and slate was where it was at
― goole, Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:21 (six years ago) link
Ah, the frantic sound at goalposts being moved by kev k and j d. I don't care how much you care about, or how you want to judge, GG's support for the Iraq War, but it's a fact that he did support it. I notice it because he seems a bit like El Tomboto, as someone whos anger at neo-cons has to do with the fact that they feel personally deceived.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
I demonstrated against both the Iraq and Afghan wars, do I have extra cachet to tell you you're being an asshole
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:38 (six years ago) link
cosign
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link
I supported Afghanistan, didn't support Iraq. Do I get a cookie?
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link
You're pulling Greenwald out of context, Frederik. I've been quoting here and elsewhere since 2006 and never saw him as anything but a non-politician overwhelmed by propaganda and, who knows, motivated by patriotism.
I never supported the war. Before we learned the extent of Karl Rove's cynicism and perfidy, I couldn't figure out what the goddamn rush was. If Saddam had nukes, why not let the UN weapons inspectors do their job? It stank from the beginning. However, I shut up after the occupation and for a time in 2003, buttressed by generous doses of Kenneth Pollack, Hitchens, and Paul Berman, thought as a liberal we should see what kind of lasting peace these cynical and perfidious men made -- a thought-experiment that showed my own cynicism. I gave up in 2004.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
most americans, in 2003, were not prepared to swallow the idea that their president and his entire administration -- who had been covered by much of the press in a less-than-critical light since 9/11 -- would straight-up lie to them about something so important.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 10 August 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
I don't take any credit for my opposition, I was a typical anti-authoritarian punk (9/11 was one of my first days of high school). That said, I wouldn't trust either the American (or Canadian) militaries' judgment, planning, or justifications for basically any armed action in the Middle East at this point so maybe not that much has changed lol
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 August 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
i was in yeshiva at the time so i was pretty out of touch with everything that happened except for seeing newspaper headlines in vending machines on friday when we out went to put tefillin on ppl. but i remember feeling for weeks like war was inevitably coming - that it just seemed stacked that way and the GWB administration just seemed v full of shit like obviously trying to sell a war while pretending they didn't want one. lots of bellicose statements about how this is the last straw etc.
― Mordy, Thursday, 10 August 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
i was listening to a lot of chomsky lectures at the time and was probably against it on principle. the whole time after 9/11 was just exhausting tho - and being sequestered i felt especially helpless.
― Mordy, Thursday, 10 August 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link
I think the patriotism aspect is really interesting, the way Greenwald explicitly evokes it in his book title as well. The Patriot Act is doubly wrong because it hurts patriotism, almost, as if patriotism isn't a corrosive idea to begin with. I mean, is it really that surprising that he is now writing about Bannon as somehow representing the vote of the people?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 22:42 (six years ago) link
link?
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 August 2017 22:48 (six years ago) link
From upthread
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:09 (six years ago) link
the king of bad faith strikes again.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:23 (six years ago) link
bannon's fp is what trump ran on.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
Are you joking?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
Trump bought into a lot more of Bannon's ideology than his fp, lol
Not that that has anything to do with what I'm getting at.
gg is either supporting the democracy principle even when it results in things he doesn't like, and/or he is more in favor of bannon's isolationist/nativist fp than the "deep state's" - both seem justifiable positions to me. what's insanely stupid is that he's talking about mcmaster and mattis as tho they're unelected officials undermining the potus's agenda but the potus appointed both of them and can fire both of them - they are a result of the democratic will, not some kind of anti-trump alliance.
― Mordy, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:35 (six years ago) link
he is more in favor of bannon's isolationist/nativist fp than the "deep state's"
This is my assumption (because your first solution is undermined by your explanation in the next few sentences), and I'm noting there might be some overlap between his frustrated patriotism and the isolationism/nativism.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
Bump
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:11 (six years ago) link
Expanding scope of thread to include general douchiness and asshattery at The Intercept:https://www.theroot.com/hey-i-can-play-this-game-too-guys-1819822866
FOIA requests are a tactic used to expose vast corruption, dirty cops and human rights abuses, not to snoop after other journalists who say things you don’t like. I guess Fang was hoping to find some type of nefarious collusion between me and the Stacey Abrams campaign (which is ironic, since I thought The Intercept didn’t believe in collusion).I’m surprised that Fang thinks I’d be dumb enough to communicate with any political source on my work email. That’s Journalism 101. He might need to retake that class; I’ll save him a seat when I teach it next fall.I honored the FOIA request, but I didn’t have anything to give him because there was nothing to give.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:14 (six years ago) link
lol @ Angry Loomis though
Recent great hires at The Intercept have forced me off of my position to never read anything sponsored by that site curated by racist Rand Paul-curious dishonest libertarian Russian stooge Glenn Greenwald.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:17 (six years ago) link
I was wondering if you bumped this thread because of Loomis.
I read LGM every morning but Loomis' old-dude-discovers-Facebook prose style gets on my nerves at times.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link
I get aggravated at Loomis because he is so prolific and knowledgeable it makes me feel like a bum
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link
I thought The Intercept didn’t believe in collusion
ooh "sick burn" I believe it's called
boring thread, boring Democrats, boring world
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 14:10 (six years ago) link
"a bunch of frustrated Bernie Bro friends"
(psst, stopped reading here)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link
this sensationalist bullshit wasn't fact-checked with anybody who actually works in the field - but as soon as they got some scans on russian hackers targeting election systems, they immediately went to their IC buddies for corroboration.
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/19/voice-recognition-technology-nsa/
fuck the intercept, fuck omidyar, and fuck greenwald. the entire first look media enterprise is a unprincipled tabloid trash fire that makes the new york times editorial page and chris cillizza smell like fucking roses
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 28 January 2018 00:54 (six years ago) link
do you mean the NYT op-ed page
― k3vin k., Sunday, 28 January 2018 01:42 (six years ago) link
yeah, being serious, I'll take that part back - nyt editorials are implicated in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths so, fine, first look media is superior
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 28 January 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link
Dude shared an article from The Federalist today.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
need more data
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
With an open mind, please read @MZHemingway on how the US media's mindless, shocking acceptance of every claim from "Hamilton68" - a group formed by Bill Kristol, CIA officials & various neocons - has deceived millions w/false stories. It's a scandal https://t.co/Gn6w398cVA— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 22, 2018
here's the piece in question if we're interested in more than just gotcha stuff - which on this thread ilx basically isn't
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
best things about the piece: has a link to a video of Adrien Chen appearing on MSNBC and a link to this Masha Gessen article.
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
I was looking for support in the article for the claim that Hamilton 68 has deceived millions , but I didn’t see it.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
Would have been better to just link the Gessen piece (although there’s some super questionable cherry picking in that) instead of effectively endorsing someone’s argument that Nunes should be taken at face value. Chen was good on Hayes but his pints probably shouldn’t be appropriated for the goal post shifting of others.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
Reading the piece with an open mind. First line: Last week, Laurence Tribe suggested, without evidence, that a plane crash in Russia was related to fallout from the Russian dossier operation orchestrated and funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Um no, we're done here. What the fuck is wrong with this dude?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
you have fucking evidence for everything, dontcha, Fuckerik?
but lol you do have an open mind (I can feel the draft from here)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
What on earth is wrong with you to?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
here doll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#cite_note-WaPo-paidresearch-14
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
I was gonna say, if that's the controversial part, I thought that was pretty well known?
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
I think Fred took issue with the linkage to a plane crash in Russia without evidence
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
IIRC Tribe tweeted about the crash that supposedly killed a political enemy, who it turned out wasn't on the plane? (I can't recall if he explicitly suggested it was tied to the dossier's contents.)
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
Holy christ that anyone on here would be okay with calling this 'the Russian dossier operation orchestrated and funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign'
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
That's like Benghazi-level right wing conspiracy language.
buuuut it's troo?
so ja i'm OK with it
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
the gessen piece is worthy of some discussion on a different thread imho
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
I think I already linked it.....somewhere, at some point. all these threads move fast.
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
Morbs, you're insane. It's not true, it's what the Devin Nunes spin says. Are you watching Fox News all day?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
Wait, are we going along with the implication that that alone makes the dossier info less credible or just saying it’s fair to acknowledge it began as oppo research?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
The latter.
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
yes
F, get some help
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
She is clearly not saying the latter. She is calling the whole Russian investigation fallout from the dossier, which is the Nunes bullshit.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:56 (six years ago) link
"Hillary Clinton is a lizard person who didn't visit Wisconsin""Holy shit, what's wrong with this idiot?""What?!?!?! She didn't visit Wisconsin. FUCKYOUFUCKYOURAKJSBRÅOAUBÅTGBÅ"
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link
She refers to it as “the discredited dossier” at one point.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
presumably GG is not endorsing every single assertion by Ms Hemingway
but really guys keep yr trashfire going
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
That’s true. Shouldn’t discount possibility that he only the part of the article that mentioned him.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 22:36 (six years ago) link
morbs your favorite crew is shilling for a hack opportunist, how u feel??
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/22/emilys-list-laura-moser-texas-congress/
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 23 February 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
pretty good debate
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/21/video-glenn-greenwald-and-james-risen-debate-the-trumprussia-investigation/
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 23 February 2018 00:49 (six years ago) link
tetra, i don't even care to click, and my fave crew is the '73 Mets
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 04:26 (six years ago) link
actually dude, most anything that pisses off EMILY's List is fine with me
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link
One of his best moments
Yes, I do. And I'd be happy to bet you any amount of money that he will.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 18, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
would find greenwald perfectly defensible if he never tweeted
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
most of his tweets are fine tbh
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
Amazing. Apparently his defense is that he confused him with his father. Believing that Ron Paul would react any differently is just as stupid, though.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
He probably is a libertarian more than a progressive.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
good to know, exactly what i was talking about
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
dp
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
xp***
doing great today lol
Xpost Yeah without question he’d vote for Rand over Bernie Sanders
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
I...don't actually think that's true
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
It's absolutely true that he wears cargo shorts, flip-flops, and his house stinks of dog.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, 24. april 2018 19:00 (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah without question he’d vote for Rand over Bernie Sanders
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, 24. april 2018 19:15 (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Simon H., 24. april 2018 19:16 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No, because Rand ain't Ron
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
does Nerdstrom report to gabbneb at the DNC?
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
i don't actually know what Greenwald's politics are but his husband is a socialist politician
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
i quit reading GG more than a year ago and he is very annoying on a lot of subjects, but he is not a libertarian, and it's "stupid" (to borrow the only adjective fred appears to know) to keep saying that
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
he's not libertarian much at all. He's just very strident in the contrarian positions that he takes. He's really treating Joy Reid like a chew toy in the past few days.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
can't imagine why he'd be taking offense at joy ann reid right now
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
it ain't hard tbh
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
His focus on Joy Reid has been ongoing, MSNBC anchors are usually the culprit when the president or the GOP does something bad.. Also he’s definitely not the guy who gets to complain about anyone else’s problematic old blog posts.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
yes the gay man cannot complain about homophobic posts
and he's been sooooo vicious about it
People have the right to change. I believed Joy Reid's apology for those anti-gay blog posts she wrote (they were before the Dem Party officially changed its views on these questions). But her claim that these newly discovered, horribly bigoted posts are fake needs to be verified https://t.co/LYd1rnT07f— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 23, 2018
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
When he praises Tucker Carlson and speaks wistfully about Ron Paul, yeah we can say the selectively is suspect in his case
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
i'm gonna say the gay guy can complain about old homophobic blog posts regardless of how much of a dumbshit he's been in history
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
Well yeah I definitely agree it shouldn’t be illegal.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
it should just be criticized by straight men on the internet
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:15 PM (three hours ago)
I always wonder when people say things like this whether they're dumb or just uninformed
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link
like I certainly don't read all the tweets and essays of the people I hate, and I don't expect other people to. but it seems that the least one could do if they're not going to bother doing any reading or critical thinking is just not to say anything
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
greenwald is a progressive and a civil libertarian, but what's most important to understand is he's a contrarian, and for whatever reason he sees it as his duty to police the left. this can obviously become tiring pretty quickly but I think it's a legitimate beat. of course it's fair game to disagree with his conclusions
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
That's because there's not much of a click reward for being merely a skeptic--gotta go full blown contrarian to have a beat that pays.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
k3vin otm
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
Greenwald styles himself a consistent advocate of free speech, but he celebrated the censorship and legal harassment of a leftist who wrote about "anti-establishment" fascist entryism. https://t.co/IqJGKxxvpY— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) April 24, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
The Guardian and WaPo benefited professionally from his work w Snowden exposing the NSA, to the tune of both winning 2014 Pulitzer. somehow he's a bad contrarian and they aren't, even though they happily mined those "click rewards".
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 23:02 (six years ago) link
Charles Davis is a former Ron Paul fan and the article Greenwald was complaining about was both libellous and factually incorrect enough for the SPLC to apologise for slack editorial standards fwiw - containing allegations that the SPLC themselves had previously debunked.
The idea that you can’t be pro-free speech and against factually incorrect stuff being published by respected organisations is beneath Davis.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 05:42 (six years ago) link
Yeah Davis wrote positively about Paul’s opppsition to the drone program in 2011, which is better than speaking wistfully about him in 2018. Wait, the thing The Southern Povertly Law Center was forced to retract was about Max Blumenthal’s Assadist tendencies, something he used his considerable inherited resources to intimidate that organization into not running. Do we actually disagree with that characterization of Blumenthal?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 08:32 (six years ago) link
Whether we agree with the characterisation or not, an organisation with the weight of the SPLC probably shouldn’t be publishing factually-inaccurate pieces contradicted by their own research work.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:16 (six years ago) link
I like Davis well enough but he’s far more guilty of ‘policing the left’ than Greenwald and is clearly driven as much by professional bitterness as principle.
Defending hack-work from a Geography teacher with an axe to grind on the “red brown alliance” fits with his absolute loathing of Norton, Blumenthal, etc but it’s not clear why anyone else would want to join in. There are plenty of critiques of that clique not relying on speculation and misleading info.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:31 (six years ago) link
It wasn’t a fact based retraction per the SPLC though but seemingly threat based. Blumenthal hasn’t been clear about what facts were in dispute. The lawyer who sent the intimidation letters worked under one of the subjects of the piece (alt-right personality Cassandra Fairbanks) at “Sputnik”, which pushes the false flag narratives the piece was critical of.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:32 (six years ago) link
Blumenthal has been fairly clear about the parts he was challenging, including the elements that the SPLC had previously identified as false in other reports.
I’m in no great hurry to defend him but this was a substandard piece of work.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:44 (six years ago) link
He wasn’t even remotely specific about any single thing in the interview he gave RT about it. Just the broad generalities (“they are trying to stifle dissent”’). Weird....
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 10:18 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 11:08 (six years ago) link
I have to say I do love that GG is now such an obvious schmuck / useful idiot that we use this thread as a place to talk about the editorial standards of places he doesn’t work, instead
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 11:14 (six years ago) link
"useful idiot" -- McCarthyism is def dead
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:10 (six years ago) link
I don't find him to be a useful idiot at all. Just strident a little too often.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
Yeah, let's not get back to the bad days where Joseph McCarthy called people a 'useful idiot' a lot. Boy, that was horrible.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link
Also, apart from it being amazingly stupid to reduce McCarthyism to calling people 'useful idiots', Greenwald literally published information given to him by a Russian Intelligence Agent with the thinnest of fig leafs. It's not even hyperbolic to call him a 'useful idiot', it's quite descriptive.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
Useful idiot is a technical term
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
Fred, you're the other kind
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
Frederik 'Useful Genius' B
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
like Tony "Tiny" Lester
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
.@ggreenwald is on white nationalist @TuckerCarlson's Fox News show hyping the latest GOP-fueled conspiracy theory. #FearlessAndAdversarial pic.twitter.com/aMooy9AY89— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 14, 2018
You’d think the self-proclaimed adversarial journalist, who holds the powerful accountable, might want to expose literal internment camps instead of hob-nob on de facto state media shows.— Ben Yelin (@byelin) June 14, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
Really just the classic trajectory
― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
I’m starting to think that “holding the people in power accountable” isn’t actually what he’s about.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:23 (five years ago) link
Are there still people on the left who give this asshole credence, and if so, why?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:27 (five years ago) link
Pretty much all residual benefit of the doubt from the Snowden days.
― Simon H., Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:28 (five years ago) link
He is sometimes good on specific points/subjects but overall seems too high on his own farts to see what he's actually doing. Never a big fan but soured on him a lot when he gave Tucker Carlson a very forgiving interview on the Intercepted podcast, allowing Carlson to put out all his soft-sounding justifications for his bigoted anti-immigrant and anti-minority rhetoric without a serious challenge.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:31 (five years ago) link
and his earlier writings, obviously. in some ways the times have passed him by though, it' sad xp
― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:31 (five years ago) link
man alive, I disagree. He knows exactly what he's doing. I don't believe for a second that he's simply confused or misguided. I think he's actively working for the other side.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:35 (five years ago) link
he's obviously not
― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:36 (five years ago) link
What makes you say that? I don't think it is obvious at all. He's playing a useful role for Fox and the GOP, and enjoying all the attention he's getting from it.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:38 (five years ago) link
He knows exactly what he's doing
let us dispense with the notion . . .
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:38 (five years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:38 PM (forty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
um, the fact that the rest of his work/writing suggests otherwise?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:42 (five years ago) link
I wouldn't say that he's always played this role, or always wanted to, but I think he's found that his targets and Fox's targets have aligned ever closer to the point where his most receptive and widest audience can be reached through Fox. He's banged away on the same themes for years, but in the age of Trump, it's less palatable to leftists and very useful to the right.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:51 (five years ago) link
It was funny to see these two tweets in succession today. Kind of like how he accused the guy who linked Russia to the NRA of being an insane conspiracy theorist and never apologized for being wrong when it became even more confirmed to be true. Par for the course with his approach to the Russia investigation.
Beyond the fact that she treats her audience like 8-year-olds - repeating the same banal points 5 times in increasingly dramatic fashion to make sure they retain it & believe it's earth-shattering - she's now the most militaristic, and the most conspiratorial, commentator on TV: https://t.co/5YrVLxVJki— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 13, 2018
President Trump Said He Got the Idea to End Military Exercises With South Korea from Vladimir Putin >>> https://t.co/Ij89UirPkZ via @TPM— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 13, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 04:25 (five years ago) link
i don't see a connection between the two tweets (i'm sure a Pavlovian response to "Putin" takes care of that).
"State media" is a particularly cunty construction by the MSNBC zombies. It's megacorporate media lusting for an audience.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 June 2018 05:43 (five years ago) link
GG is quote tweeting the below in the first one. Of course the segment isn’t at all like it’s being described plus seeing him be that obnoxiously dismissive when the story turns out to be confirmed by Trump himself. But his description of Maddow is self evidently ridiculous (with or without noting that he goes on Tucker).
So after dramatically revealing to her audience that North Korea has a border with Russia -- gasp -- Maddow tonight went on an extended dot-connecting monologue where she darkly intimates that maybe somehow the real beneficiary of the Trump/Kim summit was... PUTIN. Beyond parody pic.twitter.com/a9bEwWn6l1— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) June 13, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 06:09 (five years ago) link
The description of Greenwald from that essay we discussed in the other thread was spot on: The man’s political illiteracy is exceeded only by his sense of self-righteousness. And it should be no surprise that once his political illiteracy caused him to do something majorly fucked up - like taking information from Russian Intelligence to ratfuck the Democratic presidential nominee - his sense of self-rigtheousness would demand that he did whatever he could to somehow, someway make it seem okay.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 14 June 2018 10:19 (five years ago) link
Putin is the beneficiary of the summitYam 'got idea' to end exercises from Putin
^These don't seem to be nec identical.
I'm going to let you two New Cold warriors jerk off in peace now.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 June 2018 11:17 (five years ago) link
Shouting “you want WWIII” over anyone who talks about the Russian govt in negative terms is in no way an embarrassing trope or bad for the discourse.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
TFW you're slamming Rachel Maddow for conspiracy theories by linking to a guy who pushed Seth Rich, Syria false flag & Hillary health conspiracies (aka an actual conspiracy theorist) pic.twitter.com/kv2SUa8lQj— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) June 15, 2018
And as has been repeatedly pointed out to Glenn (including in the replies to this very tweet) the segment's premise was based directly on this reporting from the rw WSJ, that said the very thing that he is calling an insane conspiracy. pic.twitter.com/MYKk6eKECw— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) June 15, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 15 June 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
Good god that dude has gone off the deep end.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 June 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
honestly what irks me most about GG is he's perfectly capable of a reasonable, well-balanced take or interview (what I saw of the Ocasio-Cortez interview was good, his recent Chapo appearance was pretty much completely unobjectionable AFAICT), but when he's wrong or misleading he invariably doubles down, deflects, or obfuscates instead of owning up to it (not a problem unique to him of course). This is a general problem with the pundit/journalist class - evolution is generally a liability
― Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link
I for one am willing to admit I've mostly only noticed the OK takes cause I don't follow him on Twitter, meaning I only see the ones my followers have prescreened for approval
― Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
The thing that most irks me about that is Ocasio-Cortez and Chapo still dealing with him and pretending he is not an idiot who consistently goes on Fox News to attack the left.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 June 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
enh O-C needs all the media support she can get givent he short campaigning window (and won't get any attention from mainstream media ever) and Chapo has never really consistently vetted their guests beyond having a shared set of dunks on whatever libs or chuds they're talking about in a given week, which is fine since that's at least 85% of their whole thing
― Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
his clowndom on Hannity is unforgivable. love the implication that somehow your avg shitlib is somehow more dangerous/ more influential than Sean fucking Hannity.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 15 June 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
Chapo should vet their guests and why would O-C need media support from a Fox regular? Alarm bells should ring.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 June 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
yes why would somebody running for office want support from the media? i mean aside from trying to get voters ofc
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 15 June 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
I would wager that for most people, GG/the Intercept doesn't have an immediate Fox connotation regardless of his appearances there, but even if he did, she's there to deliver a message, not boost his. xp
― Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
People who still believe in GG/intercept are idiots at this point, and it should be disturbing that a progressive candidate depends on that kind of idiots to get into power. What kind of message can she deliver? And you could use the same logic anywhere. Some idiot going on Breitbart, but to deliver a message, not boost them. Also, she rails against PACs and corporations because she (correctly) says they inevitably influences the politicians who depends on them, but on the other hand she joins hands with Fox contributors to get votes from idiots and think it doesn't matter?
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 June 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
you're not a smart man
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 15 June 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link
I flagged your post because you used "idiot(s)" 4 times. Learn more words.
― President Keyes, Friday, 15 June 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
If we lock this thread will it trap Fred B inside forever?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 15 June 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
does mordy still post ?
― flopson, Friday, 15 June 2018 22:32 (five years ago) link
Frederik is more dangerous than Hannity
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:46 (five years ago) link
btw about 5000 Americans know what the intercept is, you brie-eating fucko
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:50 (five years ago) link
The Simpsons are "Fox contributors" btw
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:51 (five years ago) link
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, June 15, 2018
https://moviesijustwatchedforthe1sttime.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/phantom-zone.jpg
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 June 2018 02:04 (five years ago) link
There was a more recent post in this thread worse than Fred saying “idiot” a few times. I MIGHT have flagged it. Just a heads up.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 16 June 2018 03:08 (five years ago) link
https://www.rt.com/usa/432042-greenwald-rt-interview-moscow/
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
It’s particularly grotesque how he downplays the child separation policy here. Like you can “whatabout Obama” to a point but to avoid mentioning the logistical crisis of housing and reuniting the families that the current admin is dealing with indicates an attempt to hide that something substantially different is happening now.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link
The agency that deports people is ICE, which was created under George W Bush and expanded under President Obama. Families were often separated, children were put into cages under President Obama. So you can go down the list and see many of the same policies that get so much attention under Trump that got very little under Obama.
is any of this false objectively?
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link
it is funny to complain about the right using scapegoats right before you do the same. do you expect people to not remember that the Democratic presidential candidate voted for the security state that created ICE in the first place?
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:11 (five years ago) link
Yes yes “everything is the same” is a good way to cloak the fact that your politics have no empathy.. Follow the news better. They openly bragged about how the current policy is different. “Zero tolerance”. And also again, the current logistical nightmare involving the housing of the migrant children I.e something different is going on. Also the president calling immigrants “vermin” etc
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:19 (five years ago) link
nobody i know of is saying "the same"
but there is such a thing as trodding a path, whether for this or droning families (which few cry about under any president)
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:17 (five years ago) link
Speaking of droning. And trodding a path.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:18 (five years ago) link
don't you guys get tired of this shit?
― k3vin k., Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:36 (five years ago) link
I'm tired of Adam's shit, for sure.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 July 2018 03:16 (five years ago) link
immensely tired. it's also fun to make fun of people who continually suck ass and are annoying and GG is tops in that
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 7 July 2018 03:33 (five years ago) link
far behind the reg posters here
i passed "tired" 8 years ago
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:01 (five years ago) link
I think this is the most revealing part:
RT: There are anti-establishment voices on the right and on the left. How has the perceptions of the left and the right shifted?
G.G: I think, in Italy you see, for example, that what is traditionally the right and the left is changing very dramatically. There is a government in place formed by a coalition of what traditionally has been called the left and the right. But they are now really called more opposition to the establishment.
In the United States for a long time this shift has been taking place. Two of the most important protest movements in the US – one was the Tea Party, the other was Occupy Wall Street – were both perceived to be on different ends of the political spectrum. Yet they had very similar issues in common. They were protesting the bailout of Wall Street after the Wall Street crisis, the domination of corporations. When Donald Trump ran for president, even though he was perceived as a right-wing candidate, he did so by criticizing the Iraq war, by criticizing American militarism, by promising to ‘drain the swamp’ of corporate influence.
You see a similar dynamic in Brexit, where there were elements of the right and the left against the European Union. I think that left and right as we understood them for the last four decades are starting to morph into pro-establishment and anti-establishment dynamics and that will only continue.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:14 (five years ago) link
Does anyone really doubt anymore that the reason it seemed as if he did anything he could in autumn 2016 to hurt Clinton and help Trump was because he supported Trump?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:18 (five years ago) link
No
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:53 (five years ago) link
I mean, he goes on RT because they pay him. He goes on Tucker because they pay him. He’s a venal sellout who stands for nothing. This is completely obvious.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:54 (five years ago) link
I don't know, he seems to stand for plenty, it's just that it's either aligns with, or is easily co-opted by, right wing authoritarianism.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:53 (five years ago) link
He is one step away from realising that, hey, the establishment is pretty Jewish? And then there will be no contradictions in his thinking anymore.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:54 (five years ago) link
Sorry, he is two steps away from that. It's probably 'rootless cosmopolitanism' next, or something like that.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:55 (five years ago) link
Some fun quotes from back when he was every lefty's favorite Bush-basher:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhd6R8bUcAEDV_z.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhd6SmIU8AAE8jj.jpg
It's really hard to imagine how he ended up supporting Trump, isn't it?
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 11:16 (five years ago) link
Wow
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 12:10 (five years ago) link
― Frederik B, Saturday, July 7, 2018 4:18 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― El Tomboto, Saturday, July 7, 2018 5:53 AM
put down the Danish crack pipe
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link
GG supported the candidate who called for his friend Snowden's execution -- got it! That makes Obama's "rope-a-dope" look like... well, a much smaller Centrist Democrat fantasy.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:04 (five years ago) link
sadlol
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:11 (five years ago) link
I enjoy dismissing your irrational defensiveness about this racist Fox News nincompoop more than you enjoy calling me a centrist
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:12 (five years ago) link
You're really basing your defense on a fantasy of GG and Snowden being bffs?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:12 (five years ago) link
What principles of Greenwald's do you think Morbius actually supports? Or is it just Greenwald good, Clinton and Obama and the Democrats bad, Trump a non-factor?
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
“principles of Greenwald's”
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link
Scott at LGM points out this gem, which is delicious
G.G: No, if anything, it’s convinced me that it’s more unlikely than ever. There are factions within the intelligence community of the United States, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI that hate Donald Trump and will do anything to destroy him, including leaking classified information against him. I believe that if there were evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russian government, when it comes to the hacking of the DNC or the John Podesta emails, we would have seen it by now.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
ha hahha what in the actual fuck. unless his objective is just bare-faced accelerationism then I’m worried he may be suffering from a brain parasite
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:03 (five years ago) link
the Clintons = racist Goldman Sachs nincompoops
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link
(also enthusiastic recipients of Trump cash)
But what do you think that has to do with anything? And would you, like GG align yourself with straight op Italian fascists to combat Clintonistas? That's the point.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
i dont know what youre talking about. i havent even read a Greenwald column in weeks/months. so grind away.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
So it really is exactly what I said above. Greenwald good (you don't even have to read his work to know so), the Clintons, Obama, and the Democrats as a whole evil, Trump a non-factor unless he can be used as a weapon against the Democrats. Quite a worldview you've got there, Doc.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link
my worldview is ilx can eat shit
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
Morbs is a committed blue voter he just hates his options most of the time, and I think he reflexively defends GG because the-enemy-of-my-enemies etc
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
he goes on DemocracyNow too btw... so is he a racist Amy Goodman nincompoop too?
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
Half a mil per year isn’t interesting enough so he takes paid time on Tucker and RT.
Note that according to First Look's IRS filings, it appears Greenwald is receiving 3 times the salary his Intercept co-founder Laura Poitras is. Which is outrageous, considering that Greenwald's career was made by the Snowden story, which was Poitras's scoop, not Greenwald's.— Idrees Ahmad (@im_PULSE) July 15, 2018
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
dog kennels are expensive
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
xpost dumb take. Greenwald was a pretty big deal pre-Snowden.
― President Keyes, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
gonna risk stepping in it majorly here and ask: is Poitras actively doing stuff? I feel like I haven't heard much from her since Citizenfour.
― Simon H., Monday, 16 July 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
poitras stepped down from the intercept in 2016 iirc
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
this is an important conversation
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 July 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
she runs- is exec producer and co-creator at https://fieldofvision.org - still under first look.
without knowing what the expected relative wages for their respective roles would be this is just wild conjecture used to dismiss a hate figure
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link
She had that Assange-related film that came out two years ago (essentially the arc of her disenchantment with him, apparently).
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
Should have linked to the beginning of the thread instead of the tweet about Poitras. Oh well.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
"Western masochism," that's cute... sounds like a Bush
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
The idea that Greenwald earns 500.000 $ to blog about the deep state and how he himself did nothing wrong in 2016 is ridiculous. And also, isn't 500.000 $ from Ebay 'corporate money'?
― Frederik B, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
New profile in the New Yorker:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/03/glenn-greenwald-the-bane-of-their-resistance
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 27 August 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
“They’re just using the law as a political weapon against Trump, just as Brazilian élites are using it against Lula.” He was referring to Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, the leftist former President, who had just begun a prison term for corruption and money laundering.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 27 August 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
they're just *squints* enforcing the law
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
He was wearing shorts and flip-flops
this again
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
As I sit in my b-boy stanceWith flip-flops and socks, and sweatpantsI finna enhance your brain, check it out
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
i actually knew parker a little years ago and have a low opinion of him thus-wise: he took over as editor of a small part of a long-dead UK newspaper's weekend section and proceeded to reject a bunch of excellent proposals i'd sent to his predecessor (who i got on well with). parker and i had a little pre-online fight abt them, i went elsewhere truculently, he quite soon after got a job as a new yorker writer and wrote (in my entirely unbiased opinion) some v mediocre longform pieces, i now forget what about but they were bad not good
anyway, it's strikes me as entirely typical of parker's (and the modern new yorker's) laxity that the quote tombot highlights is all that's said abt lula: bcz an examination of how lula and trump are perhaps superficially similar but actually VERY different would (it strikes me) tell us quite a lot more abt greenwald's politics, and also highlight similarities and differences between US and brazilian elites
(adding: i think there's a ghost of an argument to be made here -- but parker doesn't require greenwald to make it, so i have no idea if my version of it overlaps with GG's)
(garry wills's version of it is here -- may be sub only, apologies if so)
― mark s, Monday, 27 August 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
https://deadspin.com/tennys-sandgren-now-enjoys-a-very-intense-friendship-1828626154
not sure if he's become friends with PGA Tour vet and 9/11 truther Golph Schultz yet.
― omar little, Monday, 27 August 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
really looking forward to reading this profile, hopefully it’s at least somewhat critical. GG was a writer who meant a lot to me in college but I haven’t read him regularly in years; I do think his beat is a legitimate one even if it’s annoying and seemingly increasingly tendentious. he has lost some credibility with me over the years and I wish he were better at putting things into perspective and being less of a troll
― k3vin k., Monday, 27 August 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
It's more ironic than critical, but it's delicious.
― Frederik B, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link
It's great stuff like this:
In the Trump era, Greenwald seems to be most energized when he discovers flaws in Democratic messaging, or in the output of an MSNBC contributor; this summer, he wrote a piece about a single uncorrected error by Malcolm Nance, a former intelligence officer, who had mistakenly said that Jill Stein had a show on RT; Greenwald used the words “lie,” “fabrication,” and “falsehood,” and their variants, twenty times, and proposed that “NBC News and MSNBC have essentially merged with the C.I.A. and intelligence community,” and that “anyone who criticizes the Democratic Party or its leaders is instantly accused of being a Kremlin agent.”
― Frederik B, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
yeah, how dare he
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
The Lula prosecution is bullshit btw
― President Keyes, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
the lula prosecution is on behest of radical right-wing forces who are also corrupt and is a parliamentary coup because the right couldn't beat the PT in an election. comparison with trump is glib of course, though accurate in a very superficial way (both won elections, both having opposition trying to take them down for their criminal activities)
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
If, for many years, a writer has described his fears about the state of America, does he find it galling when others make much of their sudden new fear? Embedded in Greenwald’s hostility to Trump’s critics seems to be the aggrieved question “What took you so long?”
“Yes, yes!” Greenwald said, emphatically, as he drove. Years after he began writing critically about expanded Presidential powers, “all these powers are now in the hands of Donald Trump,” he said. “He gets to start wars. So I do get a sense that, O.K., people are going to finally understand that this model of the American Presidency—this omnipotence, this lack of checks and balances—is so dangerous. But the problem is they’re being told that the danger is endemic to Trump, and not to this broader systemic abuse that’s been created. And that’s why I’m so opposed to the attempt to depict Trump as the singular evil. It’s not just partial or incomplete—it’s counterproductive, it’s deceitful.”
This is actually true of, like, 95 percent of MSNBC's coverage, which might as well be "Trump is vulgar" and Russia Russia Russia all the time.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
Trump did not win an election, unless you're counting the GOP primary
― El Tomboto, Monday, 27 August 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
I can't get past the thought of how his home no doubt stinks of wet dog (twenty-four dogs!).
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
xp. if this is a pedantic he didn't win the popular vote or a russian hacking thing then this ain't it, chief
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
a man with his own Constitution xxp
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
i liked this profile
i read glenn a lot many years ago but have basically stopped paying attention to him wholesale for various reasons. i do still agree with him on principle in a lot of instances and think his constant reminding to be distrustful of the government and security state to be essentially vital in theory... but there's no nuance in his style of argument or writing and i just don't really respond to that at all (s/o dave zirin). in the case of trump and russia, it's possible that the security state is applying its vast and powerful and usually improperly wielded apparatuses properly. glenn can still exist to say "but let's remember that this is not always the case" and i'm glad that he does, but i guess if he's not going to acknowledge that in this instance it could be the case then i think he starts bordering on territory of disingenuousness. nor do i think that allowing for this fact weakens his central argument... trump/russia is an extraordinary case.
i also think that allowing himself to become a tool wielded by the tucker carlsons and laura ingrahams of the world to say nothing of the roger stones is at best willfully ignorant about the realities of how the world and media currently work, or at worst nefariously selfish when it comes to increasing his platform
― J0rdan S., Monday, 27 August 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
seems a fair assessment
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 August 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link
yes great post
― k3vin k., Monday, 27 August 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
Reading the article reminded me, for the hundredth time this year at least, that cynics are really soured romantics, and some of the factual mistakes on which Greenwald's corrected, not to mention the dogmatism, are the sort of thing I expect from twenty-five-year-olds who won't let a point go. I don't believe he's a Russian plant or a nefarious agent, but when a resourceful pundit and expert synthesist of data like Greenwald still implies that Trump's election was a required shock to the system, I think, "Well, great, buddy, I understand why you live in Brazil with your twenty-four dogs and flip-flops."
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link
That an intelligent person of good conscience and progressive voting record could believe that American greatness is a bunch of bullshit yet still (a) vote for Clinton (b) think American republicanism did not need the shock to the system incarnated in Trump has not occurred to him.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:41 (five years ago) link
yes all of that otm
― Dan S, Monday, 27 August 2018 23:47 (five years ago) link
needed vs deserved
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/yBjBb.jpg
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:52 (five years ago) link
Thought you were a lapsed Catholic Morbs.
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link
Anyway, I've read Greenwald since 2004. On my own blogging he was a formidable and formative influence; when I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 I had him to thank for the psychological ballast. But, as good king Don Henley said, don't look back, you can never look back.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
there is a sizeable slice of the Dem rank-and-file who are fantasizing about Biden/Booker/Harris 2020 so they can, as Dennis Perrin says, go right back to sleep.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link
I agree w j0rdan.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link
I have no way of gauging the rank-and-file, whom I often assume are synonymous with "DNC."
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
no such thing as "Dem rank and file." that would imply a proper party-ness they do not possess
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 01:06 (five years ago) link
Its like if the dude who kept warning us about the impacts of climate change wont stop sounding celebratory that miami is underwater or complaining about the history of the arriving fema trailers. And also the hurricane is a racist sexist fascist sentient storm.Ok that is some bad analogism still, fuck that guy
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 02:48 (five years ago) link
im dying that morbs still brings up dennis perrin
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 August 2018 05:27 (five years ago) link
GG seems not too far removed from d’souza-style ‘lincoln was a republican/dems are the real racists’ arguments. that troll life has got him in its sway
also the thing with the tennys player is just weird
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 09:19 (five years ago) link
j0rd, meet me in DC and we can have lunch with him :)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 11:26 (five years ago) link
also this is my last post in this thread, it's been cancer
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 11:27 (five years ago) link
lol ok doc
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 29 August 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
greil marcus weighs in:
I think there are strong reasons to believe that Glenn Greenwald, like Edward Snowden, is either a Russian agent or an agent of influence—someone who believes he or she is operating independently but for various reasons, which could involve apparently independent financing or patronage, access to privileged information, facilitation through cut outs, and so on, is in fact promoting stories, arguments, individuals, and policies his or her controllers want promoted. The argument that there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is, from either a right or left perspective, lunacy—unless you believe there is no difference between the US and Russia, which is to say that you believe that democracy, as practiced in the US and much of the West, is a hoax, and that politics is only a point-by-point choice between autocracies and kleptocracies.When I read Greenwald in Salon, I thought he merely demonstrated textbook symptoms of paranoia, in particular over-sourcing every assertion, argument, statement of apparent fact, as if to say I KNOW YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME BUT LOOK AT THIS THE PROOF IS HERE YOU CAN’T DENY IT! I think that’s still an essential part of his political personality, but I think now there’s far more going on.
When I read Greenwald in Salon, I thought he merely demonstrated textbook symptoms of paranoia, in particular over-sourcing every assertion, argument, statement of apparent fact, as if to say I KNOW YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME BUT LOOK AT THIS THE PROOF IS HERE YOU CAN’T DENY IT! I think that’s still an essential part of his political personality, but I think now there’s far more going on.
https://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil-2/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
like Edward Snowden
stopped reading
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
Welcome back!
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
I thought he merely demonstrated textbook symptoms of paranoia, in particular over-sourcing every assertion
citations are for paranoids, blithe accusations of treason in unsupported subclauses are for rock critics
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
Tennis is really having a bad influence on him. He is anti-Serena as well, it seems.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 16 September 2018 10:09 (five years ago) link
Yeah he tweeted out some statistics showing that male tennis players have been more frequently penalized for Serena's transgressions than female players have. Then Nate Silver tweeted back that he was not taking into account the rate at which each sex is penalized - in other words maybe male players transgress far more often, which results in them being penalized more.
― Josefa, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link
male tennis players have been more frequently penalized for Serena's transgressions than female players haveThis is an...interesting argument (But probably a typo in there)
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
Or wait, you probably just mean penalized for doing things similar to whatever Serena did, sorry
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
Exactly. Sorry my bad
― Josefa, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link
Ford’s own words regarding Feinstein’s decision deliberately ignored by Glenn so he can both sides the Dems with what the GOP did w Garland. Cool cool cool. Not at all an irredeemable piece of shit.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 28 September 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
That must be maddening, watching expats support a fascist when they have no skin in the game. pic.twitter.com/S05bHbCpDB— All Hallow’s Eve Not All Hallow’s Steve (@agraybee) October 8, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 8 October 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
lollll
― shwarmaduke (symsymsym), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
Glenn's latest on Brazil where naturally he blames 'the establishment" more than Bolsonaro or those who support Bolsonaro's extremist views
To be sure – as is true of Trump, Brexit, and the rise of right-wing extremism throughout Europe – some substantial minority of Bolsonaro voters are motivated by classic bigotry, racism, anti-LGBT animus, resentment toward the indigenous population, and just a general tribal anger that seeks scapegoats for their plight. But many, probably most, are none of those things.
Many, instead, are motivated by legitimate grievances toward an establishment ruling class that has failed them on all levels, that expresses indifference if not outright contempt for their suffering and loss of hope, that they blame, often with good reason, for enacting policies that have destroyed their futures while refusing to accept any responsibility for it. And once that framework is adopted, any perceived enemy of that ruling class becomes their friend, or at least someone whose vows of destruction become more appealing than vows to preserve the system they justifiably despise (the reality is that Bolsonaro (like Trump), with his Chicago-trained neoliberal economic guru, will serve the economic interests of the establishment with great devotion at the expense of his working-class voters, but the perception of his anti-establishment animus is what matters).
https://theintercept.com/2018/10/08/brazils-bolsonaro-led-far-right-wins-a-victory-far-more-sweeping-and-dangerous-than-anyone-predicted-its-lessons-are-global/
― curmudgeon, Monday, 8 October 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
that All Hallow's idiot is in Chappaqua, hmmmmmm
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, August 29, 2018 4:27 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
Christ, u guys love these schoolyard callouts huh? *depantses Brad*
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
i post that that shit all the time, it's part of my fuckin routine, just like Nerdstrom's is being a paid DNC asshole
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
i would suggest the rest of you actually quit the thread, tho
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
Are you going to defend him or
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
excerpt above simply describes fascism; idk how else yall think it works unless it's just "people are hateful bigots and nothing can be done"
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 8 October 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
Shot shot chaser chaser etc etc pic.twitter.com/1tYEyJ0mR0— Regina 🌊💪 (@regwag2003) October 8, 2018
Man if this keeps up he's going to have to move to a walled mansion in a *third* country— asterix.asterix (@hashallthehash) October 8, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 8 October 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
This thread is one of the saddest things ever:
Do you guys want to see the most sad, petty & online man on this awful website? Yesterday @CharlesPPierce rt'ed the great (& prescient) parody account, @GlemGreenwald. So fast forward to this morning, when "someone", out of the blue, creates a Charlies Pierce parody account pic.twitter.com/rGVniiaYTn— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) November 24, 2018
― Frederik B, Sunday, 25 November 2018 10:52 (five years ago) link
yeah glenn's attempt at parody was pretty sad
― k3vin k., Sunday, 25 November 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 25 November 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
Spoke too soon — now he's paying to promote his own tweets... that contain screenshots of... his own tweets. pic.twitter.com/01JUwSneks— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) November 25, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 25 November 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
glennception
― iatee, Sunday, 25 November 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtgtXF0VAAAriC5.jpg
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 3 December 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
whenever i see a poster on a bus stop for that dumb fantastic beasts film i keep reading it as "the crimes of Greenwald"
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 3 December 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
― Frederik B, Monday, 3 December 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link
same
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 05:30 (five years ago) link
Glenn do you think you’re ever bothered by trivial excesses— Quinoa🖕Appropriator (@MattAlwaysWrong) December 5, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
dril fucking sub tweeted Glenn GreenwaldI am fucking cackling pic.twitter.com/Zu0eTcNbc8— noah (@scahillovic) December 19, 2018
― flappy bird, Thursday, 20 December 2018 06:57 (five years ago) link
lol that tweet is incomprehensible to me
need a vox explainer
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 December 2018 14:35 (five years ago) link
honestly you're better off in the dark
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 20 December 2018 14:42 (five years ago) link
Glenn, no! pic.twitter.com/VKFSgvXpTi— jared's evidence-based email acct (@eliot_woodrich) December 20, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 21 December 2018 03:51 (five years ago) link
This is, I think it's safe to say, a new low
Glenn Greenwald went on Laura Ingraham's Fox News show last night to run interference for Trump-loving kids who harassed a Native American elder pic.twitter.com/i7W1ersK3O— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 22, 2019
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:25 (five years ago) link
I have not followed this or other viral distractions, but
Twitter's design empowers those who lie to smear others, because only accusations, not proof, are required. It's very tiring to point it out, but you can't allow people with big platforms to do it. Just compare what Matt Bors claimed I said on Fox last night to what I really said pic.twitter.com/MuaaIDu9oK— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 22, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:32 (five years ago) link
any "leftist" who spends their time going on Tucker or Ingraham and thinking they're getting points on the board -- or really doing anything other than legitimizing these platforms while yelling into the void-- is either an idiot or a fucking asshole.
real tired of this guy's shtick.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:39 (five years ago) link
Also, the full video is quite clear about what happens. The indigenous man walked into the shout-down between the kids and the Black Israelites, then the kids mock him.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link
'In this case the media was incredibly reckless' - Greenwald to Ingraham.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:45 (five years ago) link
Oh, but he is criticizing 'both sides'! He is both saying that liberal media is bad, and that fascist rhetoric is bad, so y'know, he is just finding the sensible middle ground.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:46 (five years ago) link
I think it's pretty hard to claim that greenwald is a leftist of any sort at this point
― iatee, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
idk i think it's safe to say he's still an anti-imperialist? or at least a west-skeptic / US-critic which is for sure a leftist position even it's often incoherent.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:48 (five years ago) link
Just an anti-imperialist spending his USA wealth to presumably live in a guarded compound in Brazil
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link
at this point his knee jerk desire to defend the trump admin seems to outweigh the knee jerk desire to criticize the US govt. the closest thing to a coherent political view he has is 'pwn the libs', which maybe just makes him a republican by its current definition.
― iatee, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link
Is Morbz’ favorite libertarian Fox commentator a leftist?
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:53 (five years ago) link
He is not an anti-imperialist, he would have a much tougher stance on Russia if that was the case. And I don't think being west-skeptic / US-critic is necessarily a leftist stance at this point, the whole point of Trumps campaign was that the west has lost it's way.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:54 (five years ago) link
Frederik is the Only Leftist
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link
butler called hezbollah part of the international left even tho they're a radical religious organization. not that butler is the key to what is or isn't leftist but there's is def a place on the left for groups that hold reactionary beliefs but bc they oppose the evil empire are allies of convenience.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:00 (five years ago) link
Butler was wrong, and even then Hezbollah at least claimed to fight against social injustice to be considered a part of the left. Greenwald is just droning on and on about the media and liberals.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link
gg believes that neoliberal neoconservative elites in the US are being challenged by Trumpism and that they're the greatest threat to liberty and life on the planet. he is not totally devoid of facts for arguing that POV even if i think ultimately he's deluding himself and inconsistent etc. i don't think he's obviously not on the left. like many on the left he has chosen who the ultimate enemy is and he's willing to make strange bedfellows to combat them.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link
if Trump is reelected, can we finally identify liberals/Democrats as the obstacle?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link
You’re almost there, just say you want him re-elected.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 17:03 (five years ago) link
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), 22. januar 2019 17:38 (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sorry, but wtf is wrong with you?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
Reading this then seeing the article he’s commenting on is pretty funny
The US is one of the planet's most oppressive penal states. It imprisons more of its citizens than any other: for longer sentences, for less serious crimes, and without convictions. It's grotesquely unequal by race & class. It shouldn't take this dubious raid to realize that. https://t.co/qWs5DOcaA8— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 31, 2019
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 31 January 2019 03:01 (five years ago) link
He doubles down in the comments too. This is pretty goddamn funny.
― peace, man, Thursday, 31 January 2019 11:37 (five years ago) link
Thread:
Glenn currently on a long screed defending Zaid Jilani (who he has allegedly said 'is like a son to me') for going on his favorite racism show to excuse racism is quite predictable. pic.twitter.com/ThNXqwMVBb— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) February 5, 2019
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 12:41 (five years ago) link
Greenwald and his dogs featured on the only Instagram account I follow:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BupCOZkHa6l/
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:11 (five years ago) link
lots of good boys.
his home life is very cool to me. socialist congressman husband and lots of rescued street dogs
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link
eat shit glenn greenwald
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2019 01:32 (five years ago) link
We have between 24-26 dogs Jesus Christ talk about a martyr complex
― moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 11 March 2019 01:33 (five years ago) link
If you don’t know precisely how many pets you have you’ve got problems
― moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 11 March 2019 01:34 (five years ago) link
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Monday, 11 March 2019 01:37 (five years ago) link
guy can also defend jesse singal in hell probably
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2019 01:54 (five years ago) link
when the NYT or New Yorker (I forget) ran that profile in 2017 and I read about the 38 dogs and the writer mentioned the stink of dog in the house, I nearly died of gross.
― Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 March 2019 01:56 (five years ago) link
I imagine Greenwald in Queen Anne's large evening gown with all the puppies running around the estate now.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 11 March 2019 02:00 (five years ago) link
wait is rescuing dogs bad now too or is the usual stuff
― k3vin k., Monday, 11 March 2019 02:12 (five years ago) link
not cleaning your dogs is bad stuff
― Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 March 2019 02:28 (five years ago) link
Having more pets than you can reasonably manage to look after is cruelty
― like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Monday, 11 March 2019 11:54 (five years ago) link
not sure how many dogs is too many exactly but losing count is a good sign you have too many
― Simon H., Monday, 11 March 2019 11:59 (five years ago) link
It's a shelter, they're not pets. The desperation to hate every possible detail about this flawed dude is a little weird.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 11 March 2019 13:09 (five years ago) link
Why?
― Frederik B, Monday, 11 March 2019 13:58 (five years ago) link
i’m not mad about his dogs btw
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:05 (five years ago) link
mad about a guy who goes to bat for transphobes like jesse singal
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link
No. I'll log off when I'm ready to. That hasn't happened yet.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 11, 2019
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:29 (five years ago) link
he's the kind of veteran media dude who knows/knew a handful of topics really really well but as his stature increased he convinced himself he needed to have A Take about everything single issue, including shit he knows fuck-all about (which is most everything).
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link
I'd ask wtf is wrong with Frederik, but who gives a shit
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link
GG was an excellent writer on civil liberties issues (at least i thought he was back in the bush era, and even much of the obama era), even if i've found him unreadable for the last few years
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 11 March 2019 19:03 (five years ago) link
just replace meghan mccain on the view with glenn greenwald. it would solve a bunch of existing problems while creating a lot of fun new ones— Patrick Cosmos (@veryimportant) March 11, 2019
― mh, Monday, 11 March 2019 19:08 (five years ago) link
― k3vin k., Sunday, March 10, 2019 7:12 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he's white savioring brazilian dogs
― moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 11 March 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
oh for the sake of christ
― k3vin k., Monday, 11 March 2019 23:14 (five years ago) link
who the fuck is scraeming "LOG OFF" at my house. show yourself, coward. i will never log off— wint (@dril) September 16, 2012
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 06:06 (five years ago) link
"oh for the sake of christ" is a good one
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:12 (five years ago) link
"oh for the sake of christ," said zooey to franny
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:58 (five years ago) link
He seems genuinely unwell at this point:
Me, the day profile came out: Please read this largely fair, good faith examination of my viewsAlso me, after very calmly stewing over it for the past 8 months: THIS SMEAR ARTIST TRIED TO PAINT ME AS PSYCHOLOGY DAMAGED, FULL OF RAGE & RESENTMENT. LOOK WHO'S LAUGHING NOW HAHAHA! pic.twitter.com/m8BsHnzejE— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) March 27, 2019
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:15 (five years ago) link
I decided to read the dude’s twitter feed today and he was retweeting the daily caller. Wtf dude
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:17 (five years ago) link
im not seeing that?
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:24 (five years ago) link
glenn is having his day in the sun. haters gonna hate
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:25 (five years ago) link
he retweeted dasha promoting a red scare episode with michael tracey and angela nagle in the room, which is like, lol, what a motley crew of shitiness
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:27 (five years ago) link
Angela Nagle’s accent is nice. I give her a pass for this reason.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:28 (five years ago) link
apparently she doesn't speak on the ep she's just in the room.
i haven't heard her accent. i have unfortunately read her takes. im the child of a refugee so she can eat my ass
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:31 (five years ago) link
Fair
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:37 (five years ago) link
I thought her book was illuminating but i’m not on board with her going on tucker etc.
When I wrote this both Glenn and Michael Tracey shared it, now I’m a Russiagate careerist from Brooklyn who lives in North Carolina https://t.co/qWTVnVQFT4— Paul Blest (@pblest) March 27, 2019
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:40 (five years ago) link
I just googled greenwald. His husband is very handsome, jeez
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:10 (five years ago) link
Who are all these people
― moose; squirrel (silby), Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:16 (five years ago) link
Has Michael Tracey done/written anything particularly notable/worth reading? I feel like I’ve only become aware of him in the context of him going on Carlson to rant about russiagate.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:28 (five years ago) link
And half of twitter arguing about him, but I’m not clear why he matters.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:29 (five years ago) link
None of these people have done anything notable. They could all be buried in the same avalanche at no loss to the world.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:31 (five years ago) link
Not quite as baffling as the obsession with WASBAPPIN among people I follow on twitter but getting there.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:32 (five years ago) link
what is really bappin, is what we wonder
― mh, Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:36 (five years ago) link
Michael Tracey is a weird contrarian freelance journo,basically unfollowable on twitter because his hot takes are so annoying. His claim to fame is reporting during the Trump campaign and predicting Trump's victory.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:40 (five years ago) link
Hes a russiagate critic
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:41 (five years ago) link
maxine waters apparently violently assaulted him by kind of nudging him out of the way once
― mh, Thursday, 28 March 2019 00:44 (five years ago) link
i'm glad i got something from this revive, another reason to like maxine waters
― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, 28 March 2019 04:20 (five years ago) link
Yeah she barely brushed him and he cried assault.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 March 2019 04:49 (five years ago) link
I'm ok with Glenn generally, but going on Tucker Carlson to gloat about russiagate seems dumb. Nothing wrong with going on Tucker's show, and more people should do so, but only if you're going to actually use his platform otherwise you're just his useful idiot.
The Michael Tracey guy seems unhinged, desperate to make a bigger name for himself, or both. Not a person to be taken seriously at any rate
― anvil, Monday, 1 April 2019 20:23 (five years ago) link
Nothing wrong with going on Tucker's show, and more people should do so, but only if you're going to actually use his platform otherwise you're just his useful idiot.
How exactly is this supposed to work? It's well documented that if a Carlson segment goes poorly for him, he just won't air it.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 1 April 2019 20:27 (five years ago) link
If thats a reference to the Dutch historian thing, I thought the historian guy totally blew that. Tucker would have aired the clip if the historian had stuck to talking about taxation. His decision to launch into a full blooded takedown of Fox/Carlson was never going to air and he knew that, was playing to gallery for the retweets instead.
You don't need the segment to go poorly for Carlson to still get points of view across (taxation, anti-war, legalization, m4a or whatever)
― anvil, Monday, 1 April 2019 20:39 (five years ago) link
no one should ever go on tucker's show for any reason. i'm the final arbiter of this. thanks.
also glenn greenwald is perfectly indefensible. lock thread.
― bamcquern, Monday, 1 April 2019 21:29 (five years ago) link
wow the Taibbi/Greenwald obsessives have been busy today, so
Didn't see David Corn at the local co-op today. I half expected to find him in the parking lot, selling his Russiagate book out of his trunk.— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) March 31, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 April 2019 22:58 (five years ago) link
who
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 23:00 (five years ago) link
say glenn greenwald is bottoming but he hasn't cleaned out. what should his last name be changed to? brownwald.
― cheese canopy (map), Monday, 1 April 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link
oh no
― mh, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 00:32 (five years ago) link
I've been 'letting that one sit' for a few days now
― cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 02:33 (five years ago) link
defend the indefensible: Dennis Perrin tweets
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 05:57 (five years ago) link
greenwald might work as is, depending on health and diet
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 06:09 (five years ago) link
https://scontent.fewr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55897107_10157400363290530_820081055498240000_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-2.fna&oh=4236ce83f1b91f0adab371da274c0358&oe=5D0E28D1
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 16:14 (five years ago) link
Kind of pissed that Carlson never has DJ Spooky on as a guest, they could debate bullshit IDM
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 16:25 (five years ago) link
illbient times
― mh, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 17:19 (five years ago) link
Lol
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 17:28 (five years ago) link
http://condomadness.info/images/wealth-expo.jpg
― cold grey pantaloons (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
(tbc i appreciate the intercept. that image just reminded me of the stuff you see on subway walls advertising these amorphous "leadership conferences.")
― cold grey pantaloons (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
(also: pitbull)
I've been to one of those conferences, it was a nightmare. Bill Cosby gave a speech that was basically a long riff on "get off my lawn, kids". Somehow the only moderately decent speech was Colin Powell.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
I honestly don't get why Greenwald is so ride or die to defend Trump from accusations of corruption. Today he's hammering on "the only thing those Resistance wackos are unhappy about in Barr's report is that he suppressed any discussion of the evidence that people working for Trump obstructed justice," which, um, yeah, why would that not be something to be seriously unhappy about?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:05 (five years ago) link
This 100+ thread is a tough read:
1) So now we have self-described “progressives” like @ggreenwald and @mtracey telling us that the threat of white nationalism in the USA is “nonexistent” (as Tracey put it), and when called out for that GG chimes in and claims that we “needs be keep the threat in perspective.” pic.twitter.com/89CDRKzN1v— David Neiwert (@DavidNeiwert) May 20, 2019
― Frederik B, Monday, 20 May 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
but take a step back from inside the charred remains of this black church and—oh right you can't you're dead
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 00:50 (four years ago) link
fuck this asshole
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
Honestly the importance and impressiveness of the work he is doing in Brazil right now kind of makes most criticism seem petty.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
nope
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 03:51 (four years ago) link
He criticized the Iraq War once, so the defense of white supremacists is cool.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 12:39 (four years ago) link
he misgendered my friend and refused to apologize for it and caterwauled about how unfair it was to him on a fuckin podcast, he can burn in hell, i don't give a shit
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 12:45 (four years ago) link
petty my ass
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link
not even gonna ask
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
Idk anything about brad’s friend but he is literally risking his life to report something that could bring down an actual, literal fascist. That kind of makes whether he had the exact right take on twitter on exactly how we should approach white supremacists (“defending” is a gross distortion) seem petty, yes. But, you know, online.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
he misgendered my friend while defending jesse singal, who writes transphobic garbage for the atlantic. i have no doubt that his work in brazil is important. thank god i can hate his guts anyway
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
i'm glad a chapo episode convinced you that we all don't have legitimate grievances against this shithead tho
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link
fuck this dude can't abide his bullshit
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:08 (four years ago) link
Little bit of a different story when the authoritarian powered by fake news is in your own (new) backyard, huh Glenn?
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:08 (four years ago) link
right??
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
what/where is this important Brazilian reporting?
― rob, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
https://theintercept.com/staff/glenn-greenwald/
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link
thanks
― rob, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, July 31, 2019 3:08 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Bolsonaro is like several orders of magnitude more authoritarian than trump. Or at least their systemAllows him to be whereas ours still places some checks on Trump.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link
or more that there's a system that could theoretically check Trump that, regardless of his efforts and bumbling, he can't significantly break down over four, or god forbid, eight years
― untuned mass damper (mh), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
Also FYI while I first learned of his recent story through Chapo, i also worked for a year on Lava Jato-related litigation and had already followed the larger story. So it’s not like I think it’s significant because Will M says so.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
he is literally risking his life to report something that could bring down an actual, literal fascist
And there are no Brazilian journalists reporting on Bolsonaro, which is why The Intercept is the only place one can go to hear about all the terrible shit going on down there. ¡Viva Greenwald!
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 20:38 (four years ago) link
TheIntercept is good on Brazil, but the idea that this somehow invalidates criticism of Greenwald is nonsensical. It's really not that hard to avoid going on Tucker Carlson.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
no one..said that
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 31 July 2019 22:21 (four years ago) link
"he sucks but also does good/worthwhile work on occasion" is really not that complicated a sentiment to hold in one's mind
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 July 2019 22:36 (four years ago) link
Meaning, I take it, that criticism of him is not petty.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 1 August 2019 01:09 (four years ago) link
he misapprehended what shows to appear on and refused to apologize for it
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 August 2019 02:04 (four years ago) link
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, July 31, 2019 3:38 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Actually, the Intercept literally broke the most significant corruption story since Lava Jato itself (and arguably a bigger one), and that story demonstrates that the entire Lava Jato investigation itself was rigged against PT. So it actually literally is true that the Intercept is the only place that one can go to hear about that particular thing which is of enormous significance. But I never actually expect the slightest degree of comprehension or sophistication to show up in your posts so I'm not really surprised by your stupidity here.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 1 August 2019 05:08 (four years ago) link
fwiw, I take back my statement that this renders criticism of him "petty" -- I don't want to argue with anyone's grievances against him. I just think he doesn't deserved to be "cancelled" in light of all of this. But his bravery pales in comparison to those who always dare to have the correct takes on everything.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 1 August 2019 05:10 (four years ago) link
Wonder if he’s sucked Dan Savage’s dick
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 1 August 2019 05:46 (four years ago) link
uh
― Simon H., Thursday, 1 August 2019 05:53 (four years ago) link
Not positive Glenn Greenwald and Dan Savage are different people actually
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 1 August 2019 05:53 (four years ago) link
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/08/what-actual-resistance-looks-like
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 2 August 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
(To me, however, he has always been unfailingly kind and generous, and has repeatedly used his platform to promote our little left-wing magazine.)
does not disqualify the merit of his documentation nor the sincerity of his opinion obv.
― Hunt3r, Friday, 2 August 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
the essay speaks for itself I think
― k3vin k., Friday, 2 August 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
clearly everyone should be disqualified from ever writing about anyone who has said nice things about them
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 2 August 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link
i meant what i wrote, but rethinkin this, now that trump pointedly compliments those with whom he has korrupt as fuck “relationships,” all compliments are suspect in my world.
tho my unpopularity affords me great license, ‘tis true.
― Hunt3r, Friday, 2 August 2019 21:58 (four years ago) link
Veja o momento em que @augustosnunes agride @ggreenwald ao vivo na @JovemPanNews. É um absurdo esse descontrole por parte de Nunes, que usou os filhos do Glenn para atacá-lo por causa de matérias da Vaza Jato pic.twitter.com/aJjODSxaZA— George Marques (@GeorgMarques) November 7, 2019
― anvil, Thursday, 7 November 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
for context, the old guy is a bolsanaro lackey journalist who recently (jokingly, I think) suggested that since glenn spends all day on twitter and his husband is always away, who is taking care of their children and should a child welfare court get involved. today they appeared on (I guess) a right-wing radio show and glenn confronted him about it, he repeated what he said, glenn called him a coward about 7 times, and then that happened
― k3vin k., Thursday, 7 November 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
would not be surprised if glenn gets killed down there.. and I say that as a critique of brazil, not glenn
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 7 November 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link
yeah, he's fighting the good fight against some of the worst people in the world
― ت (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 November 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
um there's a way to do that and like _every_ _fucking_ _thing_ _he_ _does_, it's not convincing. well, i've heard the dogs must fall for it tbh.
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
what a grotesque post lol
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 7 November 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
xp. you're a shithead
― ت (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 November 2019 23:06 (four years ago) link
i do appreciate you james, wherever you are
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Thursday, 7 November 2019 23:07 (four years ago) link
gay jewish man and his POC husband, who had a good friend - a trans POC politician - murdered by right-wing activists, is physically attacked by a fascist journalist who had targeted his family.
"this isn't convincing"
― ت (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 November 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link
fair enough. i was not aware of part two of that statement. (tucker carlson is targeting his allies every day).
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Thursday, 7 November 2019 23:24 (four years ago) link
I think Greenwood is doing important things in his current work, has made a rough path for himself due to his life circumstances, and deserves some credit for calling out the right parties in the past
He’s also kind of an obstinate, opportunistic shithead and has harmed innocent people along the way. He can be both things.
― mh, Saturday, 9 November 2019 05:15 (four years ago) link
some of u r gonna die with GG hate on your last breath
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 November 2019 05:17 (four years ago) link
will never have hate for GG's boyfriend, he is hot!
― Dan S, Saturday, 9 November 2019 05:24 (four years ago) link
(husband)
― Dan S, Saturday, 9 November 2019 05:27 (four years ago) link
Would give solid odds that your last word will be "Hillary" so...
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 9 November 2019 11:44 (four years ago) link
i sincerely hope he doesn’t get killed
― esempio (crüt), Saturday, 9 November 2019 13:40 (four years ago) link
^^^ Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, the dude's a piece of shit and an idiot who I believe has done more harm than good, but I am firmly anti-people being murdered by a fascist government.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 9 November 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
trying out "unperson"
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 November 2019 14:59 (four years ago) link
how has he done more harm than good? because of russiagate skepticism?
― treeship., Saturday, 9 November 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link
made america's killing machine less efficient
― esempio (crüt), Saturday, 9 November 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link
Inadvertently helping the Russians in getting Trump elected was a pretty big mistake imo. And kinda hard to make up for. But his Brazilian reporting (which of course is done with others) is very good and could do it.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 9 November 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link
you can't "make up for" something by doing something completely different, because people don't have scorecards and there's no afterlife, but "the russians" were such a vanished drop-in-the-bucket factor in what we have done to ourselves i can't imagine how infinitesimally responsible someone who only helped them was
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 9 November 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
p sure i personally deserve a greater share of blame for what happened just by being a citizen (as does greenwald)
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 9 November 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
GG has voiced plenty of opinions that i disagree with but i can think of no scenario, literally none, in which any of those opinions had a noticeable effect on the outcome of the 2016 election
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 9 November 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Ok, but by that standard his new reporting isn't that important anyway, because Bolsanaro is mostly being defeated by his own idiocy. It's a pretty pathetic excuse that Greenwald helping Russians elect Trump probably didn't turn the election. It was a stupid thing to do anyway, and pretty obviously stupid at the moment.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 10 November 2019 10:27 (four years ago) link
And the only reason they did it was that they thought Clinton was sure to be elected anyway. Publishing a private persons emails which had been hacked by Russian intelligence was straightforwardly indefensible from a leftist website concerned with privacy. But, y'know, he was probably going to be chief of staff?
― Frederik B, Sunday, 10 November 2019 10:28 (four years ago) link
both the inputs and outputs of our social lives are so highly mediated that alleging (let alone proving) any actor's level of causation is a not always a best eval. you can fall back to "reasonable duty of care" sort of shit. who wants that. people want to ~know~ who did what.
(then suddenly youre gavrilo princip and this car pulls around the corner with an assload of hillary's emails and that shit needs to be distributed.)
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Sunday, 10 November 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
just retweeting the controversy
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELi3ravX0AcBAmB.jpg
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 December 2019 00:07 (four years ago) link
christ
― k3vin k., Thursday, 12 December 2019 01:28 (four years ago) link
He is so fucking pathetic
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2019 01:37 (four years ago) link
And mega butthurt
"i assume mollie didn't make it up."
safe assumption about a federalist writer and fox news contributor
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 12 December 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link
He’s so far past the point of absurdity it pains me that ppl I respect still take him seriously
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 12 December 2019 02:04 (four years ago) link
Do they?
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2019 02:09 (four years ago) link
how many columns do you think glenn has written in his career where he's hysterically castigated a writer for "commenting on" a reported story that turned out not to be true? 100? 300?
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Thursday, 12 December 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
ppl's inability to just admit they fucked up is an epidemic
― Simon H., Thursday, 12 December 2019 02:48 (four years ago) link
why would you expect (one of the biggest right wing hacks out there) to just make things up?
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 12 December 2019 02:53 (four years ago) link
Greenwarg will have a crisis of faith and go on CNN about how he trusted his sources and how he was had by bad actors
I hope his head falls off #tmbg
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2019 04:13 (four years ago) link
Won't happen
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 December 2019 05:03 (four years ago) link
Gronn Greenwarg
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 12 December 2019 05:09 (four years ago) link
I know his head won't fall off. Geez.
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
So you admit that you SHAMELESSLY and RECKLESSLY posted a SPURIOUS hope for an event that you KNEW had NO POSSIBILITY of ever happening, and arrogantly expected it to go totally UNCHALLENGED, probably due to your vast and unreported connections to FBI, CIA, NSA, NSC, and their media stooges!
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
Haha
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link
the crimes of greenwald
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
xp sorry N but it had to be said
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
Listen, I know Greenwald is a controversial guy but I think one thing we can all agree on is that when he speaks Portuguese he sounds like Tiny Fuppets and that is a good thing.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 12 December 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/world/americas/glenn-greenwald-brazil-cybercrimes.html
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 17:09 (four years ago) link
the cybercrimes of greenwald
― bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 17:10 (four years ago) link
authentically a good time to defend glenn greenwald, shit is fucked in brazil and getting fuckeder
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 17:35 (four years ago) link
Just came to post this. Whatever one thinks of him, he is sticking his neck out to expose a horrible regime. I hope he, his husband, and especially his children get through this safely.
― treeship., Tuesday, 21 January 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
and their dogs
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
Sure. But the kids especially. I heard greenwald on a poscast talk about how the extraordinarily homophobic bolsonaro regime uses them as a talking point—you know, calling for the state to “investigate” their parenting. That was the impetus behind the televised “fistfight” a few months ago. Very frightening.
― treeship., Tuesday, 21 January 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
the comments on today's lawyersgunsandmoney post about this are predictably disgusting
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 23:09 (four years ago) link
those smart commenters are at it again I see
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
To argue that he's done good work and been disgusting too requires no smarts.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link
internet commenters are sociopaths
― treeship., Tuesday, 21 January 2020 23:32 (four years ago) link
A journalist appearing on Tucker Carlson in 2019 will warp even the most sympathetic liberal listener.
Like I've written many times, I've quoted thousands of his words and between 2005-2009 there was no better chronicler of the Bush administration's malfeasance. He was occasionally good on Obama's extralegal killings too. He's among the five reasons to quit reading Twitter, though.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 23:40 (four years ago) link
having scanned said comments,
maybe not, but having a sense of perspective does
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 23:59 (four years ago) link
i don't think the kind of ppl whose response to this is basically "good, he deserves it, he's a fascist too" were ever particularly sympathetic to greenwald's writing or his focus on civil liberties. i don't think they have much love for snowden either.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 00:02 (four years ago) link
This is getting off-topic. Greenwald is a gay man with a family living in a country with a head of state as awful as Trump, and despite his reporting on the evil of Bolsanaro he appears on Tucker Carlson railing against Dems' Russia obsession and to throw a blanket on ways to prosecute him. But for fuck's sake to be charged for crimes by Brazil's government is no excuse to crow.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 00:04 (four years ago) link
prosecute him = Trump
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 00:05 (four years ago) link
you don't have to agree with like or respect a journalist to believe journalists should not be imprisoned for reporting on powerful people
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 00:07 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 00:08 (four years ago) link
so, like Obama
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 12:10 (four years ago) link
The Bernie Sanders campaign was the only one to respond to my request for comment about Brazil's decision to prosecute Glenn Greenwald. The Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Yang, and Steyer campaigns did not.Make of that what you will.https://t.co/2YX98x4On9— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) January 22, 2020
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 January 2020 12:37 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB26jj0jrjc
this is disturbing. i was uncomfortable with 'russiagate' at first, but tried to keep an open mind. but it does seem now like it was an enormous ruse that completely deflected real, political opposition to trump in favor of a fantasy that he was a manchurian candidate. also, to make it even worse, the thing that motivated the intelligence officials that started this wasn't fear of trump's authoritarianism but rather their concern that he wouldn't be hawkish enough. something similar could happen to a left wing candidate and it was starting to -- the washington post, for a while, was floating some intelligence that russia preffered bernie to the other candidates.
― treeship., Monday, 18 May 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link
whatever you think of flynn, (i think he is an authoritarian, islamophbic ghoul), and whatever you think of trump, this is a very, very bad look for the 'resistance.'
the most absurd part of this is that trump eventually did 'collude' with a foreign power -- ukraine! and he was impeached for that! so it was all completely for nothing.
― treeship., Monday, 18 May 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
I'm going to look for a two hour long video to post in rebuttal
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 18 May 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link
i just don't understand why the opposition to trump had to hinge on RUSSIA.
he was obviously guilty of all manner of crimes, from campaign finance violations (proven, cohen is in prison) to tax fraud, likely on an epic scale. the dossier stuff was so clownish.
― treeship., Monday, 18 May 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link
you know what really sucks is how western leftists (& certain non-leftists inexplicably respected by the worst of the left) respond to this xenophobic reheated cold war bs by reflexively defending the russian state, its imperialism, its fascist propaganda, etc to the extent that pointing out those things would get me called a neocon or neolib in certain circles
might seem like a non issue in the US compared to annoying russiagate libs tho. which is the problem
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
on what earth would any ilxor listen to glenn greenwald teeter between unhinged and self-righteous for nearly two hours?
― bamcquern, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
reflexive defense of the russian state is bad. same thing is true of relfexive defense of china, etc
― treeship., Monday, 18 May 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
i'm not a greenwald fan, really, but i don't think he is unhinged here. the russia saga was insane and a huge waste of time and energy.
― treeship., Monday, 18 May 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
I think the russia pivot point was because there was demonstrable online influence manipulation in form of social media groups, astroturfing, and Trump has notable contacts with Russian oligarchs and had praised Putin, whatever
It was most convenient because Russia's not a real nemesis, but it's also not a non-entity -- a lot of American companies have minimal presence in Russia proper, but Russian interference in countries where US corporations do have a notable presence (read: Ukraine) is an irritant to corporate bottom lines
I'm sure you could show that Trump's business interests have a lot of connections with the Saudis, the Deutsche Bank loan thing is ridiculous, but we're at bff level with the Saudi people for all kinds of questionable reasons, and the US congress isn't going to go after a German bank
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
and, tbh, if you did this scattershot "look, he's got crooked dealings across the board" thing you lose coherence for your impeachment effort and also put a magnifying lens on the fact that innumerable career politicians have dealings with foreign governments that range anywhere from investment capital to possible nepotism when it comes to getting their children advisory jobs
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link
the russia saga was insane and a huge waste of time and energy.
the point was to kneecap the administration
― Mordy, Monday, 18 May 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
it was only a waste of time and energy—like most efforts to hold these people accountable—because of the administration's intransigence.
there's a reason SCOTUS is now hearing an argument to keep Deutschebank records locked up. It's because the President has been laundering oligarch money for decades, and I guess coicidentally (?) was amenable to a host of anti-Europe policies that seem only to benefit companies like Gazprom.
Framing this in the context of Cold War hangover and "anti-Russia" sentiment is missing the point. It has nothing to do w/ ideology or borders and everything to do w/ a ganglike consortium of energy- and war profiteers.
Understanding this does not require an inclination twd conspiracy theories, anymore than it suggests a belief that "everything hinges on Russia"
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:08 (three years ago) link
Greenwalk still has his head up his ass
whatabout-ing this is baffling to me. Please someone identify the last elected American official widely believed to have *personally* (not as a cog in grifting U.S. policy machine) laundered tens of millions of foreign mobster dollars
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
treesh did you ever read the mueller report? (the summaries, i mean)
― Karl Malone, Monday, 18 May 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, May 18, 2020 9:08 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
thanks for putting this so succinctly bc i have felt like i've been going crazy for four years. otm
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
can we accept this and still say fuck the CIA
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
yeah otm to Hadrian
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
The Mueller Report, I thought, made clear what the connections b/w Trump, his minions, and Russia are. This can be true without thinking Putin is Palpatine.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
xxp yes and I don't understand how anyone is obtuse enough to think they're mutually exclusive
like a lot of people Greenwald was legit, personally traumatized by the U.S. intel apparatus, but he's defaultng to the same stupid binary that created it in the first place
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
it's true, Palpatine to my knowledge (?) did not poison journalists and their family members w/ plutonium for looking into these things
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
everybodyb can suck at the same time!
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
SAME OL BUGABOOS
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
sounds simple enough to grasp, in theory, but
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
It has nothing to do w/ ideology or borders
for putin it def has something to do with borders
― Mordy, Monday, 18 May 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
Greenwald's lost much of his credibility with me since 2016.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
Putin's leadership is both a reaction to and result of the restructuring of the Russian economy in the 90s under Yeltsin, which had a lot of western "advisors" in play at times. He's friendly with the oligarchs, but comes across as more nationalist and populist (?)
I think if you wanted to see where the US was going regarding the power of the moneyed class and public sentiment, Russia as a blueprint isn't completely wrong
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
I think the way I broke down Greenwald to a friend is that he is not wrong, he just says the most obnoxious part loudly, only admits points other people concentrate on are valid if ephemeral as an aside when he's forced to, and is generally an asshole.
He's generally not wrong, but his framing generally makes his work inaccessible to anyone who doesn't have a lot of the background he takes for granted and accepts as sociopolitical canon
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
he is frequently wrong, in every sense of the word
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link
there's a reason SCOTUS is now hearing an argument to keep Deutschebank records locked up. It's because the President has been laundering oligarch money for decades, and I guess coicidentally (?) was amenable to a host of anti-Europe policies that seem only to benefit companies like Gazprom.Framing this in the context of Cold War hangover and "anti-Russia" sentiment is missing the point. It has nothing to do w/ ideology or borders and everything to do w/ a ganglike consortium of energy- and war profiteers.
yes, this i can get with. but the narrative pushed at the time was related to espionage and blackmail.
― treeship., Monday, 18 May 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
my ideology is profit
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link
treeship, do you feel like the Mueller report documented nothing of substance?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
part 1 outlined the "interference," which, i mean, i don't think that is why trump won. part 2 outlined "obstruction" but there wasn't an underlying crime he was covering up related to russia; he was covering up a host of crimes unrelated to russia, because he is a career criminal.
the investigation should have been about trump's finances, not "election interference." the "russian troll farms" were at best amplifying narratives generated by our own right wing media. and there is yet no direct evidence that russia was behind the email hacks. and even if they were why is that connected to trump?
― treeship., Monday, 18 May 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
putting russia at the center of this whole thing just muddled the issue, and it did seem like it arose because certain actors in the government wanted to exploit opposition to trump by directing that energy toward their own geopolitcal aims.
― treeship., Monday, 18 May 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link
Here is a long, detailed dismantling of Greenwald's tendentious horseshit. I don't expect anyone here to read it, but it exists.
Last week, Glenn Greenwald did a podcast defending Bill Barr’s efforts to overturn the prosecution of Mike Flynn (here’s a transcript; the italicized language below is my correction of that transcript). A whole slew of people wrote me in alarm over some of the claims he made in it. After some reflection, I decided to do a post showing how the public record that Glenn claims to have consulted in his podcast at least undermines some of his claims, and in places utterly refutes it.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link
Greenwald responded to a Wheeler post on Twitter with such a self-absorbed, defensive ad hom, god he is such an asshole sometimes.
Doesn't deserve the way he's been treated by Jair Bolsonaro admin, but he shoots himself in the foot both here and his commentary on Russiagate
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:25 (three years ago) link
Can we hear this from someone who doesn't have a history of ratting out confidential sources to the FBI maybe? Those in bed with US intelligence agencies are rarely honest or objective about their historical abuses of power and that tedious diatribe from Wheeler is no exception. Especially when she concludes it with a ghoulish barb against Snowden of all people.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:59 (three years ago) link
you could, y'know, actually look at the sources she cites (many of which are links to government and court records) and actually determine if her claims are backed by her sources, rather than doing the jedi-handwave method of saying "she did this thing I don't agree with so the whole article is invalid".
besides, most of the facts in that takedown could be obtained by anybody with a Google account.
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link
like I get side-eyeing articles written by people who have a bad recent track record, but by that rubric, I could just as easily piss on Greenwald's as well
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 23:07 (three years ago) link
for a second i thought "Can we hear this from someone who doesn't have a history of ratting out confidential sources to the FBI maybe" was a reference to greenwald lol
― Mordy, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 23:13 (three years ago) link
who the hell is this delicious troll named trevor phillips? Is he cute? Does he comment on music threads? I'm delighted to meet him.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link
you ppl really never get tired of this
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 23:48 (three years ago) link
true, I never get tired of criticizing bad journalism
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 23:51 (three years ago) link
or men who say good female bloggers are "in bed" with sources, especially when he can't capitalize his name
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link
That's surprising when you're endorsing work from a blogger who again, hands her damn sources over to the FBI lmao.
rather than doing the jedi-handwave method of saying "she did this thing I don't agree with so the whole article is invalid".
Is this not exactly what you and basically everyone in this thread has been doing with Greenwald since 2013? And not for something he did but rather the tone in which he writes articles on his website and messages on twitter??
Alfred, you don't even capitalize or punctuate the end of your sentences hon, you're in no position criticize. ;)
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:14 (three years ago) link
My last post addressed to you I did, and you're the one who missed the comma. I think Greenwald claims those for his own.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link
Are you really using the 10th grade "lol you made a grammar mistake ergo everything you've ever said is suspect" gotcha?
And doing so in a sentence where you omitted a preposition?
God yr dumb
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link
Xpost obv
omg is Trevor Phillips Glenn Greenwald?
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:22 (three years ago) link
wouldnt be out of character
― no (Left), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:26 (three years ago) link
I think all of you might be esby
― silby, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:59 (three years ago) link
im esby
― lumen (esby), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
bring back brodie
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
bring back banaka
― mh, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link
― treeship., Monday, May 18, 2020 2:30 PM (two days ago)
glenn greenwald also opposed impeaching trump, as i'm sure he'd be happy to explain in a different 2-hour youtube video
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:33 (three years ago) link
Especially when she concludes it with a ghoulish barb against Snowden of all people.Snowden’s a sanctimonious prick “of all people”
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 02:35 (three years ago) link
or men who say good female bloggers are "in bed" with sources
Oh, come the everloving fuck on. He said "in bed with US intelligence agencies."
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 05:33 (three years ago) link
YouTuber Lindsay Ellis said something tangential about GG the other day on Twitter, and he popped into her mentions like Beetlejuice and accused her of being either illiterate or a liar. He spends an inordinate amount of time name-searching himself so he can look for opportunities.
― Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link
🖼
― Boring, Maryland, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:53 (three years ago) link
can we get him to post here
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 14:54 (three years ago) link
new-era Google metrics makes baiting outsiders really hard :(
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
But we have a lot master baiters around here
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
some of the very best
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link
Cool, cool: Richard Esposito, co-author of the Intercept story that landed Reality Winner in federal prison, is now the head of the NYPD's press office.
A co-author of a controversial report at The Intercept that landed its source in prison now works as the head of the New York Police Department’s press office.The former journalist, Richard Esposito, had embedded for a long period inside the NYPD, developing close ties to US police agencies that were clear before The Intercept chose to work with him. However, the news website apparently did not see Esposito’s cop-friendly behavior as disqualifying or even suspicious.Esposito and his longtime friend and colleague, Matthew Cole, a full-time reporter at The Intercept, were co-authors of a 2017 report on National Security Agency allegations of Russian meddling in the 2016 US presidential election. The reporters disclosed sensitive information to US government agencies, which led to the outing of their confidential source, former NSA contractor Reality Winner, and her eventual imprisonment for five years.Although this scandalous story was the only piece Esposito published at The Intercept, he was somehow assigned an official company email address as well as an author page that has since been removed from the website without explanation.The same duo, Esposito and Cole, played an integral role in the arrest and imprisonment of another source, CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, several years before they worked with The Intercept.
The former journalist, Richard Esposito, had embedded for a long period inside the NYPD, developing close ties to US police agencies that were clear before The Intercept chose to work with him. However, the news website apparently did not see Esposito’s cop-friendly behavior as disqualifying or even suspicious.
Esposito and his longtime friend and colleague, Matthew Cole, a full-time reporter at The Intercept, were co-authors of a 2017 report on National Security Agency allegations of Russian meddling in the 2016 US presidential election. The reporters disclosed sensitive information to US government agencies, which led to the outing of their confidential source, former NSA contractor Reality Winner, and her eventual imprisonment for five years.
Although this scandalous story was the only piece Esposito published at The Intercept, he was somehow assigned an official company email address as well as an author page that has since been removed from the website without explanation.
The same duo, Esposito and Cole, played an integral role in the arrest and imprisonment of another source, CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, several years before they worked with The Intercept.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:54 (three years ago) link
Inevitable.
Should the populist left work with the populist right where they have common ground, or shun them? https://t.co/8QcagioB7Z by @ggreenwald— The Intercept (@theintercept) June 25, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
this is so February
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link
look at that art lol
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link
who are those people
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:37 (three years ago) link
Greenwald in Brazil: the right is evil, they send me and my family death threats, they murdered a black trans woman politician friend of ours.Greenwald in the US: maybe Steve Bannon is cool?
― Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
a few comments make the duh point that greenwald spends so much time deriding dems for compromising with untrustworthy republicans, instead of his preferred strategy which is apparently compromising with untrustworthy republicans
― Mordy, Thursday, 25 June 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link
You know what you never hear discussed on the right? Calls to form an alliance with socialists. They’re busy trying to crush us while we debate whether or not we should be friendlier to them.— Sam Sacks (@SamSacks) June 25, 2020
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 25 June 2020 19:40 (three years ago) link
Does Greenwald think he’s a member of the “Populist Left”?
― Boring, Maryland, Thursday, 25 June 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
― Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 June 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link
congrats to GG for getting a trump retweet
― mookieproof, Sunday, 5 July 2020 05:50 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/business/media/the-intercept-source-reality-winner.html#click=https://t.co/ThcvVKSDwXmore about first look and intercept rly.
― retail rage is for suckers (Hunt3r), Monday, 14 September 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link
I'm not defending anyone when I say that I'm not sure what the "news value" is in revisiting when and how they fucked up, which I thought was pretty immediately clear?
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Monday, 14 September 2020 11:26 (three years ago) link
In the world of the New York Times, a story doesn't exist until the New York Times covers it. There's your value.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 14 September 2020 11:27 (three years ago) link
that the intercept hugely fucked up was instantly clear, not sure that the details of how emerged immediately tho: when did cole become a police spokesman? beyond smith saying "i obtained" the piece doesn't tell us when the internal discussion came into NYT hands -- maybe it's belated but has this internal discussion been out in the world previously? if not then it's a story
(unperson's point abt the nyt's self-absorbed attitude to newsworthiness is also on point of course, but it's also just a practical feature in the landscape until that particular hegemony is dismantled)
less abstractly: if yr basic political pitch is radical transparency -- which was a v potent pitch and totally remains a worthwhile aim imo -- then rival outlets with contrasting politics will always be eager to publish stories abt how the process of running yr magazine dedicated to radical transparency will (best version) distort and (worst version) radically betray this aim. as with assange (generous reading), the actors delivering radical transparency have often been endlessly deeply fvcking naive politically, abt who can manipulate who and how (and i don't really mean putin here) (or indeed trump and the GOP). it's a big bad gameable world: if you take on the big dark expert forces in making idealism gameable, scornful individualist libetrarian swagger is really only going to take you so far before they really really get up in yr shit and this is what happened here
also: as an exampe of "let's not but we'll say we did", the snowden file getting shuttered -- the radical privatisation of public information -- is indeed "old news" but it's also news barely covered then or now -- and it only gets the tiniest sideswipe here (bcz both sides have too big an interest in its non-coverage)
― mark s, Monday, 14 September 2020 11:56 (three years ago) link
(sorry: esposito is now the police spokesman, not cole)
― mark s, Monday, 14 September 2020 12:27 (three years ago) link
Another of its highest-profile hires, the former Topic.com editor Anna Holmes, who left in 2019, told me: “I’ve always admired First Look Media’s stated commitment to free speech, transparency and speaking truth to power. So in that spirit I’ll say this: My tenure there was creatively rewarding — it was also personally and professionally demoralizing.”
daaaamn
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:12 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EisIu4ZX0AQpiig?format=jpg&name=small
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
*hits poppers*
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link
*galaxy brain throbs*
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:35 (three years ago) link
*mounts a Nazi*
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
What the fuck is it with this guy at this point
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 04:39 (three years ago) link
Glenn Greenwald's savage takedown of @ggreenwald. pic.twitter.com/SvXOR4OUY5— Ken Tremendous (@KenTremendous) October 12, 2020
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 08:02 (three years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10224279063303168&set=gm.3462351267177280
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:04 (three years ago) link
whatever that link is ain't working on my end
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:11 (three years ago) link
greenwald claiming in the replies of that tweet that it was actually "satire"... okay, buddy.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link
I was more talking about Greenwald's anti-anti-anti-Bidenist tweet insisting that no actually we SHOULD be grilling Joe B. on his sinister court-packing scheme, why is the press going so easy on him
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
But that one was bad too
is that one a joke too
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
glenn greenwald: comedian
but doctor -- i am glenn greenwald
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
the tweets of a clown
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
― Boring, Maryland, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
him and fellow comedy genius scott adams should drop a collab, maybe he could co-write some new dilford comics or something
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
Blind pig, acorn...
If it’s really true that the US Marshals purposely avoided arresting this US citizen on US soil, and chose to shoot and kill him instead without provocation, then everyone involved and responsible should be prosecuted. https://t.co/VYMrBDFN1K— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 15, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 15 October 2020 20:52 (three years ago) link
I'm proud he resigned with his characteristic accountability, lack of self-pity, and insistence on the high road.
My Resignation From The InterceptThe same trends of repression, censorship and ideological homogeneity plaguing the national press generally have engulfed the media outlet I co-founded, culminating in censorship of my own articles.https://t.co/dZrlYGfEBf— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 29, 2020
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
I am EXTREMELY annoyed that isn't "My Resignation from the Internet."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
"My Resignation from not having a lucrative Substack Newsletter"
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
let my man cook
― Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
The censored article, based on recently revealed emails and witness testimony, raised critical questions about Biden’s conduct.
Oh boy, cant wait
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link
Imagine the Hunter Biden story is the hill you choose to die on.
― the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
They should have let him publish his crybaby article and responded with a rebuttal article consisting of: "Even if this were true, no one cares, Glenn."
― the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
lol this guy
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
zing
Intercept EIC Betsy Reed sent me this statement regarding the departure of @ggreenwald, saying there's a "fundamental disagreement over the role of editors in the production of journalism and the nature of censorship." pic.twitter.com/Od2TTKLsyq— ErikWemple (@ErikWemple) October 29, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link
cot damn
― glengarry gary beers (voodoo chili), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link
Savage and well deserved.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
I could see him just going full Fox News, as in with his own show there, by the end of the year.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
hear me out, a podcast where glenn greenwald & mollie hemingway scream a list of enemies at each other for 90 straight minutes— kilgore trout, tucker carlson’s mailman (@KT_So_It_Goes) October 29, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link
Lee Fang is 100% team-Greenwald which seems weird, but Lee has had a pretty rough year so I'm not sure where his head his at.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link
Saw something like this coming as soon as the Intercept started publishing pieces that occasionally criticized Republicans rather than exclusively Democrats. Glenn must have hated that
― Dan I., Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
What's new in Lee Fang world? He blocked me a couple years ago, so I honestly have no idea.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
RIP Morbs
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link
"where he will face no collaboration with editors" is a great line
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link
Anyone trying to reach me: my previous email has been terminated. You can use GlennGreenw✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 29, 2020
please send me all your secret leaks to my google mail
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
sent him an email
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 October 2020 21:17 (three years ago) link
Jiggles Handle <jiggleshan✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧>5:21 PM (0 minutes ago)to GlennGreenwald
britney can i get your sister email why because she look intersting
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 October 2020 21:21 (three years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 October 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
looooqol
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 29 October 2020 21:55 (three years ago) link
Marcy Wheeler tears Greenwald's story (which he's now posted online, because of course he fucking has) into thin strips and beats him with them...
A long Twitter thread starts here. She picks out four false statements in the story's first paragraph, and keeps going.
Great news: Glenn's going to hack himself!This is not going to work out like he wants, I'm pretty sure. pic.twitter.com/MtTYehW89T— emptywheel (@emptywheel) October 29, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 29 October 2020 21:55 (three years ago) link
does he still have a fanbase?
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 29 October 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
I could see him just going full Fox News, as in with his own show there, by the end of the year
He's going to team up with Taibbi.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
Oh, and just FTR:
Months before the NY Post story, a document passed around far-right websites detailed a vast Hunter Biden conspiracy.The document's creator, Martin Aspen, claimed to be a Swiss intel professional.But Aspen's face was created by AI. He doesn't exist.https://t.co/oA4aKTjkUp pic.twitter.com/U1MNqh8WmW— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) October 29, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
List of questions @ggreenwald sent the Biden campaign. pic.twitter.com/civKyypfXk— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) October 29, 2020
― On average, this critic grades 8.3 points lower than other critics (Eric H.), Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
expect it of sullivan and weiss, but i feel like a guy with a law degree should maybe understand that a 'refusal to print absolutely everything i write' does not equal 'censorship'
― mookieproof, Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:13 (three years ago) link
jfc
Just on a writing level, how do submit a lede like this? pic.twitter.com/Y1p5qhJUUr— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) October 29, 2020
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link
he put up the emails between him and editors and it makes him look insane and/or like a giant baby https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-editors-showing
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link
Response of Betsy Reed yesterdayOur intention in sending the memo was for you to revise the story for publication. However, it's clear from your response this morning that you are unwilling to engage in a productive editorial process on this article, as we had hoped.It would be unfortunate and detrimental to The Intercept for this story to be published elsewhere.I have to add that your comments about The Intercept and your colleagues are offensive and unacceptable.Betsy
Our intention in sending the memo was for you to revise the story for publication. However, it's clear from your response this morning that you are unwilling to engage in a productive editorial process on this article, as we had hoped.
It would be unfortunate and detrimental to The Intercept for this story to be published elsewhere.
I have to add that your comments about The Intercept and your colleagues are offensive and unacceptable.
Betsy
why are you censoring meeeeeee
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link
You'll never guess what the top story is on Tucker Carlson's show tonight. pic.twitter.com/0QkMwa7ws2— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) October 30, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 30 October 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
dude should just go all the way and change his name to "(emphasis added) iGlenn Greenwald". Has anyone else in history loved adding emphasis more?
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 30 October 2020 00:54 (three years ago) link
Update 10:23pm: !
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2020 02:23 (three years ago) link
I get what Taibbi and Greenwald are saying, but dying on this hill in the service of another four years of a guy who is openly saying he wants to be a dictator is a choice that I'm having trouble understanding. Like would they have wanted to be the guys in Germany yelling about how unfair the media was being to Hitler? I dunno, maybe they're right, and losing trust in our media outlets has driven us into our media bubbles and made everything worse, but I think the media (old-school and social) is just trying to figure out how to deal with a bad actor who is happy to lie at scale, with a huge ecosystem of leeches, grifters, and conspiracy-peddling enablers happy to keep the lies rolling. I don't think that Greenwald or Taibbi has the answer to this crisis, and it seems like they are focusing more on an effect of Trumpism rather than a cause, much as they'd like to think it was the reverse.
― DJI, Friday, 30 October 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link
dji otm. It’s possible that something embarrassing to Joe Biden could emerge from a deep dive of the hunter emails, but at this time, who cares? Trump is more corrupt than Biden.
― treeship., Friday, 30 October 2020 03:04 (three years ago) link
― mookieproof, Thursday, October 29, 2020 3:13 PM (five hours ago)
Having heard what law school consists of I wouldn’t go confusing “having a law degree” with being smart
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 30 October 2020 03:27 (three years ago) link
tbf i didn't say 'smart'
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2020 03:30 (three years ago) link
heh fair enough
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 30 October 2020 03:33 (three years ago) link
maybe they're right, and losing trust in our media outlets has driven us into our media bubbles and made everything worse
I think they are 100% right on this... the problem is they themselves (Greenwald and Taibbi) aren't any exception to the rule, despite any indignant cries of impartiality to the contrary. And the insulated, hyper partisan corner they've driven themselves into specifically is maybe the most poisonous one around.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Friday, 30 October 2020 03:34 (three years ago) link
I would say they are hyper-UN-partisan in a time that demands some side-taking.
― DJI, Friday, 30 October 2020 04:13 (three years ago) link
lol, Greenwald’s constant readiness to go on Tucker at the drop of a hat would seem to put the lie to any insipid claim of nonpartisanship on his part. Has he even had anything bad to say about this administration?
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 30 October 2020 04:16 (three years ago) link
This sounds right - Taibbi less than Greenwald, but they're both fitting right in the kind of civil libertarian mold where an abstract principle about media quality/censorship is more important to them than the real world.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 30 October 2020 04:23 (three years ago) link
Glenn. fucking. greenwald.
― flopson, Friday, 30 October 2020 06:07 (three years ago) link
Recall that under my contract, and the practice of The Intercept over the last seven years, none of my articles is edited unless it presents the possibility of legal liability or complex original reporting, and not one of my articles in the last fifteen years — published with dozens of major media outlets around the world — has ever been retracted or even had appended to it a serious correction.This article should never have been subject to the whims and views of editors at all, let alone this heavy-handed attempt to protect Joe Biden.
This article should never have been subject to the whims and views of editors at all, let alone this heavy-handed attempt to protect Joe Biden.
it's deeply embarrassing that a guy who has called himself a "journalist" for years -- won a pulitzer for his work, even -- has no idea what an editor's role is. he thinks an editor pushing back on any aspect of one of his stories is no different than a publisher interfering in the editorial process. he even thinks a publication declining to run one of his stories without changing a word amounts to "censorship." greenwald has become such a joke that i feel embarrassed -- and honestly kind of depressed -- that i admired him for so long and defended his work for so many years.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 30 October 2020 07:10 (three years ago) link
Tbf I only skimmed his article because life is short.
His reasoning is so tortured and bizarre - "nobody claimed that a deal had been consummated so the inability to confirm it does not negate the story" or w/e - that its like being trapped in some MC Escher version of journalism where the gravity is always shifting, and the premise for what constitutes a newsworthy idea is always changing to be the opposite of whatever he imagines a critic would say. Engaging with it is just so exhausting. Tbh it reminds me of the frenzied disordered thinking of ppl in manic episodes - "I stayed up all night filling a notebook with reasons why YOU ALL are the ones who need help, not me!"
I just can't imagine why anyone would spend their precious time seriously reading him or Taibbi when there are actual media critics out there doing the actual work instead of whatever cosplay these two are engaged in. J.D. otm, it's honestly depressing.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 30 October 2020 12:45 (three years ago) link
this very public resignation seems well planned out. GG has probably been looking to break into the crowdfunded newsletter game for some time, and the Intercept has probably been getting annoyed with him for a long time as well. He's been on podcasts for the past couple of months carping about how he got blamed for the Reality Winner debacle when it was really the fault of the editors. Looks like he was just waiting for some pushback so he could dramatically break ties and complete his IDW heel turn.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link
This dude resigning right now in this way is an even less effective, more inside baseball October surprise than Hunter Biden bullshit itself.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 October 2020 13:00 (three years ago) link
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I got real excited there for a second.
― peace, man, Friday, 30 October 2020 13:00 (three years ago) link
Glenn.Greenwald at risingdick.net
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 October 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link
This is the thing to me. Greenwald's been evolving toward this point for a long time but what a casus belli. It's funny, I don't even see mainstream Republicans picking up the Hunter stuff, it's mostly the loony Trump base and the hardcore Berners.
The notion that this is anything more than would-be October surprise material of the lamest type imaginable would be hilarious even if it hadn't been telegraphed months ago in giant sky-high red letters. It's like we're supposed to forget that peddling this exact bullshit is what got Trump impeached just 10 months ago.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:05 (three years ago) link
You must believe that we're not going to hear endlessly about Hunter and his deals for the next two years
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
just like Killary
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
Without congressional majorities it will be harder to call for sham hearings
― Anaïs Ninja (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I don't know. The Hunter thing feels like such a nothing, and is so tied to Trump, that I'm not sure elected Republicans will try to push it much further, if Trump loses. I'm sure it will stay alive in the OANN/Fox universe.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
end of day I think it's as simple as they thought they could run the same Killary playbook against a white male and it didn't work
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link
otmfm
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
I'm digging into the Greenwald archives on Salon, and thought this was a fun time capsule.
https://www.salon.com/2008/03/08/carlson/
In this piece, he's saying the same shit about Tucker that he more recently says *on* "Tucker."
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:33 (three years ago) link
Jeet Heer has been saying that Trump just doesn’t know how to attack a white Christian male.
― Ape Hole Road (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
it turns out when you can't be racist or sexist you have to use your brain. sad!
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
The GOP definitely knew how to destroy Al Gore and John Kerry
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
The Hunter thing feels like such a nothing, and is so tied to Trump, that I'm not sure elected Republicans will try to push it much further, if Trump loses
Yeah I don't wanna jinx it but I suspect there are some rank-and-file Rs who will breathe a sigh of relief if T loses and they don't have to pretend-peddle his bullshit 24x7x365
― Anaïs Ninja (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
Kerry didn't take much tbf xp
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
The Gore and Kerry playbook was kind of the same: attack the candidate as an aloof, out-of-touch, rich liberal elite. They've tried to do that a little with Biden, but it doesn't stick as much because Biden's public image is Good Old Middle-Class Scranton Joe, rather than a windsurfing French speaker who married an heiress or a boring sanctimonious tree hugger.
― jaymc, Friday, 30 October 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, October 30, 2020 12:56 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i honestly don't remember the day to day campaigning from gore/bush enough to say...though gore did win and that election was straight up stolen.
wrt to kerry i think it's a little different than hillary because i don't think there was any real animus towards kerry
they were able to neutralize one of the things kerry thought would be a strength - his military service - with the swift boat stuff
i think kerry didn't foresee that but more important he and the DNC fell into this trap where they think "oh well all these republican voters say support our troops" so they will have a respect for kerry's service
of course, they don't really give a fuck about veterans unless "support our troops" is being used as a cudgel to shut down any criticism of the u.s. military's endless wars
i feel like in general trump's gop base doesn't have the appetite for u.s. world cop operations, and honestly hillary's hands are way more dirty in that respect than trump's were (and are really)
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 October 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
When even Tucker is tired of beating this horse: https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-suddenly-says-its-time-to-leave-hunter-biden-alone
― DJI, Friday, 30 October 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
obviously Greenwald has lib-derangement syndrome but the one point he sorta has is this hunter stuff is just dismissed entirely and censored from twitter etc. but on the other hand the Steele dossier was covered by all the respectable papers
― Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Friday, 30 October 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link
Biden's public image is Good Old Middle-Class Scranton Joe, rather than a windsurfing French speaker who married an heiress or a boring sanctimonious tree hugger.
Yeah but those images of Gore and Kerry were created by GOP attack ads...it's weird to me that they never even really tried to change that image of Biden. Karl Rove must be rolling over in his grave.
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 30 October 2020 18:37 (three years ago) link
oh there was definitely hatred toward Kerry by those who remembered his testimony on Vietnam.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link
Yeah my aunt swears up and down she remembered it and had hated him ever since. I suspect her ‘memory’ was being filled in heavily by the unrelenting rightwing mediaverse at the time but hey i guess it worked
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 30 October 2020 18:41 (three years ago) link
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/text-of-zell-millers-rnc-speech/
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 30 October 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link
I'm sure it will stay alive in the OANN/Fox universe.
...and on the Trump network that will surely launch in mid-2021. But yeah this will be the new Solyndra, living on as a mutant, half-born zombie scandal.
Funny to read that old Salon column. I remember reading GG during the W Bush years and thinking christ this guy has a hair trigger about stupid shit, even for a blogger. Just these massive columns full of quote-blocks and oceans of bolded emphasis text, too-often spent making hay of some minor factual error by some other columnist or someone who quoted him, using the same lazy rhetoric that he's still using today. "I can only assume that [nobody huffpo blogger] is either too illiterate to comprehend the simple point I made in that column, or they are willfully misreading it in order to smear me! Much like the FBI smeared Martin Luther King and other truthtellers with COINTELPRO!" Have a very vivid memory of reading him tearfully rending his garments about some intra-columnist argument or other one day and thinking "yeah... I dont know how much I'm gonna learn from this guy." Amazing to think that his levels of peak hysteria were still over a decade away.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 30 October 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link
h8 greenwald but feel compelled to report he is looking pretty cute for 2020 in the vid i just scrolled past
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 30 October 2020 19:53 (three years ago) link
A statement from Jeremy Scahill https://t.co/UdZ20tNmRF— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) November 1, 2020
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 November 2020 02:43 (three years ago) link
Scahill has always struck me as a straight shooter.
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:07 (three years ago) link
i could do with far less 'comment' on the intercept. their investigative stuff makes it worth reading and it would be more powerful with less editorialising.
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:19 (three years ago) link
like bullshit clickbait thinkpieces for the nytimes etc only please, this is serious.
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link
longread (from march last year) on the single most significant act of the omidyar-greenwald gang = the public shuttering (or let's say privatisation) that same month of the snowden archive, and how this shuttering jigsaws into omidyar's changing interests as a billionaire:
https://washingtonbabylon.com/why-did-omidyar-shut-down-the-intercepts-snowden-archive/
greenwald purportedly still has a copy (as does poitras) but of course no one knows what the agreement now is about its further use between greenwald and omidyar (who i think in effect now owns it) -- and anyway gg's basically a pundit-aggregator and absolutely not the kind of journalist or scholar who could explore the archive productively
― mark s, Monday, 2 November 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link
The news appeared in The Daily Beast, a center-right entertainment publication that’s known for its slanted, neocon-tinged reporting on Russia and North Korea.
lol. Writer would fit in around here.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 2 November 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
I'm gonna take the tweeter's word for it and not read 50,000 words of Greenwald's bullshit to find out for myself.
He finally admits it. Greenwald says Trump was a better president than Obama LOL https://t.co/gBIBQ1dmIm— Get the kids out of cages (@ADC_PHL) November 8, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 8 November 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link
It sorta says that . My skim of it leads me to think Greenwald believes that Trump droning more Non-American civilians than Obama is less evil than Obama droning an American father and son. Plus Obama did droning before Trump so that somehow makes him worse. Also since some of Trump’s other evil deeds were previously done by Obama and Bush, that makes Trump less bad. But Greenwald seems more obsessed with journalists and never Trump former Bushies turned cable news commentators talking about Trump than with condemning actual evil deeds.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:14 (three years ago) link
did Glenn not read the fucking story published in the goddamn Intercept about how civilian casualties had vastly increased under Trump
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:18 (three years ago) link
Does Glenn Greenwald seem like a guy who reads to you
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link
I expected better from someone whose name is an anagram for, uh, "glen glen nw read"
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link
ever-tauter and more persuasive prose now that gg's shaken off the tyranny of all those deep-state intercept editors
― mark s, Sunday, 8 November 2020 13:49 (three years ago) link
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby)
He seems like a guy who shouts at me
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 November 2020 14:03 (three years ago) link
I think GG definitely reads anything with the words “Glenn Greenwald” in it
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 8 November 2020 14:16 (three years ago) link
When is he going to rip off the mask and call Obama a nigger
― DJP, Sunday, 8 November 2020 14:26 (three years ago) link
Premium content
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 8 November 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link
If Trump is responsible for “killing 235,000 Americans” because they died of the coronavirus while he was in office, can the same be said of the governments of France and Spain which, despite much smaller populations, presided over almost 40,000 deaths each, or the governments of Belgium, Peru, Argentina, Mexico and Chile which have comparable or higher per capita death rates from the coronavirus than the U.S., or WHO officials who told people not to wear masks even when the CDC said the opposite?
when you think about it its really true, the governments of france and mexico and the WHO are the real villains of the trump era, you neolib bootlickers
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link
if trump spent the past year working with experts and both state and federal officials to craft a coherent national response, and we still had this number of deaths, it would be a different story.
the reason is "blamed" for the abysmal outcome is because he has spent the past year picking fights with governors, insulting his own pandemic response team, flouting health regulations, and generally acting like the virus is a liberal hoax, which is a dangerous belief that many of his supporters hold. he's pouring gasoline on it.
like everything else, he made the virus about himself. it's ridiculous that someone cannot see that.
― treeship., Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link
is it "fair" to "blame him" for "all the deaths"? no, i guess not. but is it fair that we had a president who didn't even try to protect the population from the largest health crisis in a generation?
― treeship., Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
he withdrew from the WHO during a global pandemic for petty personal reasons. it's crazy. you don't need to like obama to recognize that trump's behavior has been obscene. he is an obscenity.
― treeship., Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link
trump-is-bad content off the greenwald-is-bad thread plz
― mark s, Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
Greenwald is right that Trump did not start the Iraq War
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 8 November 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
The frightening spectre of a Dictatorial Menace also led liberal advocacy groups such as the ACLU to drown in previously unimaginable quantities of #Resistance cash, frenetically donated in the name of stopping Trump’s incomparable evil. Rotted and discredited institutions like the CIA, NSA and FBI re-branded themselves as patriotic guardians of liberal democracy and stalwart protectors of a besieged population. Leaders of those security state agencies went from toppling governments, engineering clandestine coups, disseminating disinformation campaigns, illegally spying on citizens, and entrapping young Muslims in manufactured terror plots to being lavished with book deals and cable news contracts and celebrated in liberal parlors as saviors rather than destroyers of democratic institutions and Enlightenment values.
Bit of a stretch to put ACLU in with CIA no?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 8 November 2020 19:53 (three years ago) link
Hard to articulate as I'm hungover but, GG's catalogue of Bush and Obama era horrors didn't seem incorrect so much as missing the particular 'nervous breakdown' character of the Trump presidency - smashing up CDC, EPA etc.
Or to put it another way, Bush and to an extent Obama used the spaceship to do loads of stupid, terrible shit whereas Captain Trump just deliberately rammed asteroids and threw people out of airlocks on a whim. Greenwald seems to not like the spaceship and think it just needs to be blown up?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 8 November 2020 20:02 (three years ago) link
Like what does GG actually want America to be, or do? A kind of pre-WWI style isolationist foreign policy, with socialist domestic policy? I know 'Well how would you do things differently' is a sucky answer to a criticism of something but after getting through ten paras I find myself thinking it
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 8 November 2020 20:07 (three years ago) link
Yeah the media went after trump for a four-year feeding frenzy, and yeah, some of it was bullshit, but the idea that Trump is basically Obama is hot-take BS. Trump literally got onstage after his team recommended mask-wearing and proclaimed he wouldn’t be wearing a mask. That alone probably added 50k to the body count. And as Noam said recently, Trump is the only world leader to call for MORE fossil fuel consumption, which is inexplicably spiteful and evil.
― DJI, Sunday, 8 November 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link
weird seeing glenn bashing the ACLU considering how vigorously he defended them from criticism when they were demanding respect for the nazi free speech that killed heather heyer. I guess he just goes where the racism is
― a nice person (Left), Sunday, 8 November 2020 20:41 (three years ago) link
I don’t know about other nations but as someone with a french passport, yes, the same can be said of France, absolutely.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Sunday, November 8, 2020 10:34 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
you can’t just pick the non-US countries with the worst outbreaks and say ‘since Trump only did a bit worse than them it’s not so bad’. that’s called selecting on the dependent variable, and it mechanically creates a bias. the relevant counterfactual for the US is some average over all other comparable countries. canada for example, which would have a high weight in such a counterfactual, has tiny death per capita relative to the US
― flopson, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link
given how rich, warm, and dry much of the US is, you’d actually expect it to have less deaths than an average european country
― flopson, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:16 (three years ago) link
It’s really dumb because the answer is clearly “...yes, of course the same can be said of those countries”All govts with shitty pandemic responses can be held responsible for them, who’d argue otherwise
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link
Maybe it’s more common than I think but it’s seems to me that a vast majority of Trump haters, also hated the Bush administration, right?
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
It’s really dumb because the answer is clearly “...yes, of course the same can be said of those countries”
All govts with shitty pandemic responses can be held responsible for them, who’d argue otherwise
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Sunday, November 8, 2020 4:18 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
not every country with a bad outbreak had a bad response. that’s most true for the first wave (when tests didn’t even exist and everyone was in the dark while it spread) but still very true for second and third. there’s a large element of randomness in which outbreaks will get bad due to things like network positions of the initial seeding and populations compliance with tracing. most of the cross-regional variation in deaths can’t be explained by policy
― flopson, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:35 (three years ago) link
Yeah the people GG is picking a fight with here - people who haaaaate Trump but lurrrrve Obama and Bush - don't sound like a very large bloc
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link
Also people tend to get most annoyed with today's horrible disaster rather than yesterday's
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
Like what does GG actually want America to be, or do?
to pay attention to him
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
idk about lurrrve but there are definitely quite a lot of "I never liked him but at least he brought dIgNiTy tO tHe OfFiCe" people out there xp
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
Are you talking about W, because the most common take I've seen is "I thought W was embarrassing but Trump blows him out of the water" which is not at all the same thing
― DJP, Monday, 9 November 2020 19:58 (three years ago) link
I've seen plenty of both tbh
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
Most of the W luvvin comes from semi official propaganda and pr slush pieces afaik - though it is there - more so than from like actual people
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 9 November 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
I just think most people who call Trump a white supremacist authoritarian are also very likely to see the Iraq and Afghanistan war as disasters.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 9 November 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link
and I would agree with GG that, as a society, it’s time to let go of Frum.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 9 November 2020 22:47 (three years ago) link
Cosign
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 9 November 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnDMFYmXIAUvxLr?format=jpg&name=900x900
― anvil, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 08:26 (three years ago) link
The CIA, the FBI, workplace managers, editors, the guy at the shop that makes me leave when they close up for the day, the Nazis, traffic lights and the people who make them, mom.
― anvil, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 08:29 (three years ago) link
Glemm's on fire (and running into the flammable curtains setting his entire apartment ablaze)
Hey Glenn,Good to hear from you. I’ve got a few questions.https://t.co/ehaIKfRntZ— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 16, 2020
― Change Display Name: (stevie), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link
Those are all stories I broke in the last year.Should I have not reported those?Should I not have worked the phones for months, then slaughtered my mental health writing these stories?I don’t know. Maybe I should’ve just shut up.But that kind of feels like… censorship.— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 16, 2020
not defending glenn but iirc someone calling you a "dweeb" on twitter =/= censorship
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link
Glenn accused them of censorship first? Do you think Collins was "censor[ing]... the voices that are most threatening to them"?
― Change Display Name: (stevie), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
I mean that's clearly why Collins described it as "censorship" - did you not read the Glenn tweet he quoted?
― Change Display Name: (stevie), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
I did, I still thought his use of "censorship" there was a bit silly
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link
I agree that two wrongs don't make a right
― DJP, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
Unless you turn left by mistake twice instead of turning right twice.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
Are you driving in Boston, because in most cases you would only have turned 180 degrees
― DJP, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link
love to imagine things
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EofZzElWEAEc8aT?format=jpg&name=small
― mookieproof, Saturday, 5 December 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link
he figured out bernie is a politician. better late than never
― Left, Saturday, 5 December 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
does glenn want bernie to say uh yeah rudy giuliani is right. the dominion voting machines or whatever https://t.co/AmqbZosQ1q— raandy (@randygdub) December 5, 2020
― flopson, Saturday, 5 December 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
“Deep State,” ffs Glenn.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 5 December 2020 21:11 (three years ago) link
stable genius glenn greenwald
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Saturday, 5 December 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link
Bernie, you let Glenn down
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 5 December 2020 22:54 (three years ago) link
blogger on blogger crime
Shitty, mediocre, conventional-wisdom-spouting blogger who has never done a day of journalism or reporting in his life thinks it's weird and deserving of derision to want to see evidence before believing inflammatory US Govt claims.Why? See the description above. https://t.co/e8fGxhjDb9— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 17, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 December 2020 15:11 (three years ago) link
Thought this was going to be Glenn re-tweeting James O'Keefe.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 17 December 2020 15:13 (three years ago) link
Nah people on here probably want to pretend that didn’t happen.
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Friday, 18 December 2020 08:55 (three years ago) link
why do you want to pretend that didn't happen?
― huge rant (sic), Friday, 18 December 2020 09:00 (three years ago) link
Huh? No Glenn is right wing to such an in your face extent currently that people might have to accept that he was always like that. If you look through this long thread you see examples of people being in denial about that.
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Friday, 18 December 2020 09:15 (three years ago) link
yeah hes been retweeting okeefe for years
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 18 December 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link
glad gabbneb has returned to be really awful at posting on ILX, 2020 is now complete
― Change Display Name: (stevie), Friday, 18 December 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link
― Yes Virginia, there really is a (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 18 December 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
gg got very enamored with okeefes bravery in questioning the russia hoax, iirc at one point even praising him for his "commitment to evidence", which LOL ok glenn
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 18 December 2020 19:38 (three years ago) link
the left is portrayed as eager to cancel anyone for the slightest misstep but it actually has such low standards for its heroes. leftists will embrace any micro-celebrity who vaguely seems share some of their enemies, regardless of why, or how awful their other positions are
― Left, Friday, 18 December 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link
like your average berniebro or chomskyite is embarrassed by this guy now but did he ever demonstrate any kind of structural or materialist analysis of anything back when they were hailing him as some kind of anti-imperialist hero? where was the leftism, ever?
― Left, Friday, 18 December 2020 19:53 (three years ago) link
GG was always a semi-libertarian dude with a few pet issues that initially put him in opposition to the Bush admin. I don’t think he ever cared about the Left as much as he cared about telecom immunity or whatnot
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 December 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link
I don’t think he’s anything resembling an economic libertarian. he’s just too much of a narcissist to realize that the alliances he forms with libertarians in pursuit of inflating his ego on his pet issues can lead to net harm
― k3vin k., Sunday, 20 December 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link
I would be interested to see if anybody could actually assemble a coherent ideology from a bulleted list of positions gg has held. As pointed out, he can’t even stick to libertarianism
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
Self-mythologizing contrarianism?
― pomenitul, Monday, 21 December 2020 00:02 (three years ago) link
Feels wrong to keep bagging on this guy w/o Morbs around tbqh
― is right unfortunately (silby), Monday, 21 December 2020 00:04 (three years ago) link
trying to do the same for any average person might also be pretty difficult, I’m probably a good (or bad) example too based on my admixture of strong views on foreign policy and national security plus progressive domestic / social democratic whatever, but I’m not nearly egotistical enough to pretend to be a pundit
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 00:05 (three years ago) link
he wears flip-flops and the house stinks of unwashed dogs
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 December 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:05 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
don’t forget humble!!
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 December 2020 00:39 (three years ago) link
is that supposed to be a zing at me? pot kettle buddy
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 00:44 (three years ago) link
aw tom I’m just joshin
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 December 2020 00:50 (three years ago) link
Lightly punch me in the shoulder and grab me another beer
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link
i don't remember many people ever "hailing him as some kind of anti-imperialist hero," greenwald has always been a fairly divisive person. but he was an interesting and useful writer for a long time, and there are plenty of people who are worth reading who don't "demonstrate any kind of structural or materialist analysis."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 21 December 2020 03:02 (three years ago) link
shitloads of people have treated this asshole as a hero for over a decade
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link
he was an interesting and useful writer for a long time couple of years in Bush's first term
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 21 December 2020 03:30 (three years ago) link
i think one's view of greenwald in the obama years largely depends on whether you think snowden did a noble thing or not.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 21 December 2020 05:24 (three years ago) link
I view Snowden’s results as pretty “neutral good” and Snowden the person as “a huge dick who had no business being in the job” and GG’s role in all of it as “a cipher who took a lot of credit for winning the source lottery”his later treatment of Reality Winner proves he has no idea what he’s actually doing or whether he stands for anything
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 05:33 (three years ago) link
and that’s my very muted ilx version of these opinions of course, god forbid I say how I actually feel about anything to do with natsec on this forum
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 05:35 (three years ago) link
― Left, Friday, December 18, 2020 2:46 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
i don’t think gg ever ran afoul of pc idpol left did he? that’s the cancellous faction
― flopson, Monday, 21 December 2020 05:49 (three years ago) link
dude he’s been taking paid appearances on tucker carlson for years are you joking
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 05:51 (three years ago) link
he goes on carlson to trash democrats though, which the left doesn’t care about, not to like, bash trans ppl or criticize defund the police. his foreign policy focus keeps him mostly out of hot water, unlike say Lee Fang who constantly steps on rakes
― flopson, Monday, 21 December 2020 06:20 (three years ago) link
the act of being on tucker carlson is an endorsement of white supremacy
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 06:36 (three years ago) link
― flopson, Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:49 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
not directly, but one of my primary issues with him is that gg is a big free speech supporter which necessarily involves being friends with and promoting the work of jesse singal
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 21 December 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link
k3v otm, essentially
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 21 December 2020 12:58 (three years ago) link
There is no reason to appear on a sniveling white supremacist's show unless you think your values are so unassailable that the white supremacist could never sully them.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 December 2020 12:59 (three years ago) link
His early career is knee-deep with sniveling white supremacists, so he's actually come full circle.
― Cortex the Killer (PBKR), Monday, 21 December 2020 13:18 (three years ago) link
this sentence has an ominous energy
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 21 December 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link
It pretty much boils down to “I think spy agencies and the military should continue to exist - it’s how Presidents choose to use them that’s the problem, & mostly because the electorate doesn’t give two shits about foreign policy except in the most simplistic and xenophobic ways possible” are you still scared
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 December 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link
"I love it when we do coups"
i don’t think gg ever ran afoul of pc idpol left did he
oh he did, many times, it's more he didn't run afoul of the unpc anti-idpol left which was/is eager to shout down (i.e. cancel) anyone who calls out their fav celebrities on their bullshit (never forget russell brand)
― Left, Monday, 21 December 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link
wait are there ppl beyond trash island who still care about russell brand
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 21 December 2020 13:52 (three years ago) link
no but his persecution by PC harpies was a major galvanising event for the current iteration of anti-idpol leftism
― Left, Monday, 21 December 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
For a...unique definition of "major," sure.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 21 December 2020 14:06 (three years ago) link
Left, you've been busy the last 24 hours here.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 December 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link
fwiw i don't oppose the continued existence of spy agencies but i think it's good that the public now knows about the US government's mass surveillance programs and bad that the government tried to conceal them.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 21 December 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
The last time I heard anyone give a shit about Brand, they were roasting him for his shock that “working class men” used the word apricot.
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 21 December 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
― Left, Monday, December 21, 2020 8:56 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
buddy you've got the worst case of twitter brain i've ever seen
― ✖, Monday, 21 December 2020 20:23 (three years ago) link
what I was alluding to was the k-punk essay which continues to be influential on the UK/US pop left. several british leftists I've interacted with have blamed critics of it (like me) for the author's death. so I'm bitter
― Left, Monday, 21 December 2020 20:28 (three years ago) link
xp this is a glenn greenwald thread
― Left, Monday, 21 December 2020 20:29 (three years ago) link
im not saying it’s good that gg went on tucker carlson or he shouldn’t have been cancelled for it, just that he didn’t get cancelled by the left for it
one of my primary issues with him is that gg is a big free speech supporter which necessarily involves being friends with and promoting the work of jesse singal― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, December 21, 2020 7:56 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, December 21, 2020 7:56 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
that gg isn’t cancelled by the left the way singal is proves my point tho
he didn't run afoul of the unpc anti-idpol left which was/is eager to shout down (i.e. cancel) anyone who calls out their fav celebrities on their bullshit (never forget russell brand)― Left, Monday, December 21, 2020 8:50 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Left, Monday, December 21, 2020 8:50 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
nah this is just finger-pointing and judging from your ilx posts you’re just too knee-deep in left factionalism to see it (“the pc idpol left cancels people” “no the anti-pc un-idpol left cancel people!”) both groups constantly *try* to cancel ppl; it’s essentially the only political power they have. id argue pc cancellation is somewhat more effective; only like 0.1% of people are marxists but the vast majority of people don’t want to be perceived as bigots. calling someone a neoliberal doesn’t really stick the way racist, transphobic etc does
― flopson, Monday, 21 December 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link
tucker is...semi cancelled? "out at his own outlet" merits at least that imo
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 21 December 2020 20:41 (three years ago) link
so tucker carlsons show getting cancelled by fox cancels gg on the left by transitivity?
― flopson, Monday, 21 December 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link
tucker was cancelled by libs and the center pulling his ad revenue, no? as has been clear for years now the left no longer has a monopoly on cancelling
― flopson, Monday, 21 December 2020 20:46 (three years ago) link
lol sorry I meant to say gg was semi cancelled, funny how my brain confuzzles the two
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 21 December 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
unlike most people who get cancelled, gg personally told each and every person who said anything mean about him on twitter to fuck off
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 21 December 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link
oh right lol i’d forgotten he got fired by intercept. although interestingly that was over him pushing hunter biden stuff, also he had likely orchestrated jumping ship to substack prior to it
― flopson, Monday, 21 December 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link
GG = the Giuliani of the Jacobin fringe
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 December 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link
lmao i had actually forgotten that that had all happened over the hunter biden story, and also i had completely forgotten the hunter biden story. what a hill of sand to die on
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 21 December 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
Brad, Brad.
You don't get it. You haven't a clue. This shows how the American media has made you supine.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 December 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link
Update 4:14pm: Glenn Greenwald confirmed as alive - despite Brad knowingly false-reporting that he died on a hill of sand!
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 December 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link
guys here's a bad and inappropriate glenn greenwald joke
what did glenn greenwald change his name to after he bottomed without cleaning out first?
glenn brownwald
― ffolkes (map), Monday, 21 December 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link
ew
― DJP, Monday, 21 December 2020 21:23 (three years ago) link
calling someone a neoliberal doesn’t really stick the way racist, transphobic etc does
yeah that must be why major left orgs & media aren't full of racist & transphobes & predators with significant social capital who use accusations of neoliberalism to shut down nobodies who attempt to draw attention to those things
this non debate goes round in circles but if I'm in a bubble so are you because this is exactly the fisherite bs I was talking about
this is relevant to gg in that the radlib idpol wreckers were right about him years ago as all but the most unreconstructed assangeites now acknowledge and they are right about other things which the left establishment would still rather sweep under the rug
― Left, Monday, 21 December 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
leftists: why are they so bad and hated
― Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 December 2020 22:24 (three years ago) link
glenn greenwald: "when hating the libs goes wrong"
― Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 December 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
the spiked phenomenon. many such cases
― Left, Monday, 21 December 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
spiked adds the element of trotskyism into the mix. never trust a trot
― Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 December 2020 22:47 (three years ago) link
(I actually have family friends who are prominent trots and nice people but this is a general rule which I think is best followed)
― Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 December 2020 22:49 (three years ago) link
I'm not ctrl-fing has someone made the inevitable "GG Allin had better politics" joke? Does Glenn like to drink and fuck as well as fight?
― Yes Virginia, there really is a (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 21 December 2020 22:50 (three years ago) link
im not really in a bubble with regards to this stuff tbh (also im prejudiced against british ppl and ive never knowingly read anything by mark fisher) im just addicted to rubbernecking leftist drama on twitter. it’s more prurient sociological observation than partisanship
― flopson, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 07:26 (three years ago) link
Why do you hate us so much? We are cancelling Xmas, doing Brexit and creating new covid strains. I don't get it..
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 08:35 (three years ago) link
i'm british and i hate british people more than anything in the world
prurient sociological observation sounds more interesting than partisanship but regardless this discourse didn't start on twitter and as boring as it sounds is formed by and informs the actual relations that constitute the left, labour movement, counterculture, or whatever. basically culture war is class war
― Left, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 10:17 (three years ago) link
when someone shows you who they are etc
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErkutSAVEAUSbKJ?format=png
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:44 (three years ago) link
also doing 2 hours with Megyn Kelly.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:46 (three years ago) link
no one can say they weren't warned
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:51 (three years ago) link
Glenngreenwald Glenn Beck
― jaymc, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 23:03 (three years ago) link
Company you keep and keep and keep and keep and pays and keep and keep and keep im in brazil now and keep and keep and keep and keep
― pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Thursday, 14 January 2021 00:42 (three years ago) link
From Greenwald to Beck: Glenns on Crack-Down
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 14 January 2021 00:43 (three years ago) link
Two NYT editors lost their jobs in the Summer because they published an op-ed by a US Senator advocating a measure roughly 50% of Americans supported: deploy troops to quell unrest.Now, Washington, DC is fully militarized with troops and everyone seems perfectly happy about it. https://t.co/6SYSmA3Y2H— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 19, 2021
― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 23:42 (three years ago) link
Does anyone take this dude seriously anymore
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 23:42 (three years ago) link
Greenwald's right. What could have happened in the last two weeks to deserve an occupational force?
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 23:45 (three years ago) link
Nobody's happy about it, Glenn! Just trying to stay alive.
― DJI, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 23:46 (three years ago) link
you should see the shit his minions are writing in reply.
pretty obvious that his readers are largely libertarian and or right-wingers atm
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 00:15 (three years ago) link
like does 25,000 National Guard on the National Mall make me happy?
fuck no, it makes me sad as hell. but then we have that image of cops walking insurrectionists out the door and taking selfies and....now u know why
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link
I'm so glad that I only interact with Twitter through this website.
― DJI, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 00:29 (three years ago) link
White supremacist supporter becomes authoritarian, film at 11.
― Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 02:21 (three years ago) link
Now this is some impressive galaxy brain. Who knew impeachment was all about an evil Dem plot to stick it to to Glenn and his pals?
It's been obvious from the start that a big reason why Dems & their GOP allies (Liz Cheney & friends) impeached Trump and threatened to do more was as a way to keep him in line for the last week, including not pardoning those they want eternally punished (Assange, Snowden, etc.): https://t.co/RrGXpj4bWG— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 19, 2021
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 07:04 (three years ago) link
When u are only as smart as a nail, everyone will hammer you, glennyboy
― pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 11:52 (three years ago) link
trump used to regularly riff on having snowden hanged for treason, LOL that glenn's derangement requires him to imagine trump actually secretly wanted to pardon him the whole time
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 13:27 (three years ago) link
it's been obvious from the start
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link
The local Republicans I follow on Twitter have all taken to quoting Greenwald a lot and calling him things like “one of the bravest reporters in the world.”
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
maybe he's Q
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, January 20, 2021
one out of three's not bad i guess?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 24 January 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link
not such a great look in hindsight bro @ggreenwald https://t.co/ldAgHBwO7h pic.twitter.com/pnCc80iNV5— gato fumador ❼ (@KweenInYeIIow) February 2, 2021
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:05 (three years ago) link
kind of a more belligerent and pretentious ted cruz
― Joses Chrust (map), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:14 (three years ago) link
considering his own recent ordeal in Brazil, you'd think he'd be sympathetic to AOC's current plight, but ...nope
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:18 (three years ago) link
that's because he's a broken failure of a human being
― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:18 (three years ago) link
yeah a situation where people were literally prowling the floor of capitol with guns and nooses trying to capture and murder leftists is like glenns wildest persecution fantasy come true, youd think it would be his time to shine
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link
once again, what an asshole
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
This dude is and always has been the epitome of Self-Involved White Man
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:02 (three years ago) link
He’s basically Andrew Sullivan But Edgy
Andrew Sullivan, Butt Edging
― Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link
silby no
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link
sometimes I hit submit before I can reconsider
― Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link
Probably time to just lock this thread since we already have the alt-right, brain worms, explaining conservatism, or a million other threads for Glenn's bullshit.
― Rocky Thee Stallion (PBKR), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
and the late Doctor is no longer here to mount the defense
― Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 5:02 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 5:11 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
i lold
― Joses Chrust (map), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link
welcome to the club. we make butt jokes about glenn greenwald here.
― Joses Chrust (map), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
Andrew Sullivan, Butt iGieg
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link
Apple products are becoming increasingly niche
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link
You call it a “niche”?
― Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link
better than "crev-ass-e"
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:23 (three years ago) link
d iCks
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
Tucker & Glenn's little j/o sessions are extra cool because when Bolsanaro starts wildin in his second term and locking up Brazilians for being too gay, Tucker's going to support it 100%
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
Greenwald with Carlson has the vibe of a desperate bullied nerd who is overly excited he finally found a jock that will give him the time of day.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
Which one's the jock?
― Rocky Thee Stallion (PBKR), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 02:50 (three years ago) link
yeah carlson doesnt read as a jock at all to me, more like a richy scrub. There are enough fancy nerds and jockish dipshits to give him cover and a ride.
― pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 05:23 (three years ago) link
Tucker would have gotten swirlied by the lacrosse bros he desperately wanted to impress.
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 05:25 (three years ago) link
his Fox News reinvention feels so fuckin phony to me it’s hard to believe so many people — even Fox News watching dipshits — buy it. white nationalist little lord Fauntleroy ass
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 05:28 (three years ago) link
Though it’s true that perseverative asocial weirdo loser greenwald might mistake his bully categorizations. 😐These categorizations make me the worst of the lot afaict, it’s gross.
― pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 05:45 (three years ago) link
man alive was describing Greenwald's behaviour, not Carlson's mien
― shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 05:47 (three years ago) link
Tucker isn't a jock, but he is to Greenwald.
― anvil, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 09:22 (three years ago) link
But there's a whole group of them out there now who's whole ethos seems focused on an imaginary trip back in time to confront the bully that smashed them for 6 years straight in school so they can say "I'm based now lets hang out"
But there's another strata below them, led by Michael Tracey, that wants to go back in time to confront the bully that smashed them for 6 yeas straight in school so they can say "please piss on me and burn my hair more". In fairness the group led by Michael Tracey is unlikely to have any other members. They will all be in Glenns group
― anvil, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 09:27 (three years ago) link
im a "michael tracey has the worst body odour" truther
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 09:42 (three years ago) link
Greenwald with Carlson has the vibe of a desperate bullied nerdwhite supremacist who is overly excited he finally found a jockmainstream media outlet that will give him the time of day.
― Rocky Thee Stallion (PBKR), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 13:00 (three years ago) link
does GG actally have a champion left on ilx?
(i feel that even morbs was mainly phoning it in in his later posts above (to rile fred)
(not denying that the latter was important work tbc)
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 13:16 (three years ago) link
I “don’t get” Michael Tracey. like I have no idea what his point is. feels like he’s just Tim Pool for people who can read.
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 14:05 (three years ago) link
I am having problems getting past the colloquial meaning of "smash" while reading anvil's post
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
Didn't Michael Tracey lie about being assaulted by Maxine Waters?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link
I’m totally baffled by how Tracey gained prominence. Has he written anything worthwhile or interesting, or done anything notable besides post dumb contrarian takes on Twitter?
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link
He was a TYT reporter for awhile
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link
He gained notoriety after he was badly beaten by Maxine Waters.
― anvil, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:58 (three years ago) link
His possibly self written Wikipedia article said he made like two different documentaries about Jon Benet Ramsey. Surprised if his entry hasn’t been challenged on “Notability” criteria.
― Mosholu Porkway (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link
MT started at vice i think, so i suspect the racist edgelord stuff was there from the start, and not just a subsequently canny clout-turn
the maxine waters thing was almost too dumb to be described as lying: he did indeed claim he'd been assaulted and stuck to the claim when video become available (immediately) showing that she'd brushed past (making very slight contact) when he was making a dick of himself "just asking the questions"
(iirc he was sacked by vice for doxxing someone, possibly l3na dunh4m? it was back when they were trying to clean up their act and raise the respectability of their journalism)
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:15 (three years ago) link
he got traction back when the #resistance was somewhat overplaying its hand over the mueller report and making itself a lot too easy to mock
partly by mocking and partly by muddying the waters, but very largely by sucking up to falun glenn
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
lmao @ "falun glenn"
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
*searches*
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No further questions tbh.
― shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:25 (three years ago) link
― JoeStork, Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:11 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
he predicted trump winning, attended lots of trump rallies and talked to the faithful, which was semi-interesting/eye-opening at the time, when MAGA was ichoate. he has been wrong about everything since and is a sniveling little shitheel.
apart from his brutal beating at the hands from an 80 year old woman my favourite tracey moment was him going to a garage sale(?) at kurt eichenwalds and tweeting pictures of the items for sale, much to kurt's chagrin. perfect crossover of the bad twitter personality universe
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:26 (three years ago) link
lmao, thanks. He and Aimee Terese just seemed like tulpas created from the bad vibes of left-ish Twitter.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link
i'm v much in the ACAB camp but there's a pretty funny video of him getting arrested by campus police for allegedly disrupting an Ann Colter appearance from many years ago and i've never been more ConflictedLarryDavid.gif
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:52 (three years ago) link
*v much in the ACAB *AND* Ann Colter should be mercilessly mocked in public at all times camp
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link
he wanted her autograph!
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:00 (three years ago) link
lol wait for real
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link
someone said so on twitter so yes for real
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
well since he got arrested at a book signing event he's not very good at getting autographs
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
good enough for me.
so as i understand it Tracey was arrested by campus police for trying to kiss Ann Coulter, probably
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
Glenn was a pretty big champion of Michael Tracey’s work well after leftists had realized he was pretty bad abd were dunking on him regularly. Asked his followers to donate money to him etc.
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:55 (three years ago) link
wait a second, sic outs Michael Tracey as sissymanwhore and no one bats an eye? what happened to this site, man
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
Christ what fucking guy scumbag
Reailty Winner continues to linger in prison for one reason and one reason only: because Biden/Harris refuse to pardon her or commute her sentence.Notably, the interest level among those purporting such concern in her plight has plummeted since 1/20/21.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 4, 2021
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Friday, 5 February 2021 01:27 (three years ago) link
ouch
Yikes, @ggreenwald. I don't think support for my sister #RealityWinner has plummeted at all. I've been encouraged by the kind souls who are helping us spread the word every day to help us #BringRealityHome. What have YOU done to help her cause? https://t.co/qKGTJL9SPl— Brittany Winner, PhD (@WinnerBrittany) February 4, 2021
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 February 2021 02:22 (three years ago) link
He's the Brazilian Ian Miles Cheong.
― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Friday, 5 February 2021 07:35 (three years ago) link
Since this is a defend the indefensible thread let me say that GG, who I consider indefensible, is fully otm with this today:
"People who overcome drug addiction deserve admiration and praise, not shame. That includes Hunter Biden, whose new book is about his struggles.
Vilifying people this way for past addiction is disgusting and dangerous: the stigma makes it less likely people will seek treatment."
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 6 February 2021 17:49 (three years ago) link
https://cdn.anatomytrains.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/IMG_20170319_113650.jpeg
― Left, Saturday, 6 February 2021 18:42 (three years ago) link
it's no Bloom, that's for sure
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 6 February 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link
Fair enough. Credit where credit is due I guess xxpost
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Saturday, 6 February 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link
honestly though saying "people who quit drugs should be praised, not shamed" is fucking asinine. really taking a stand with that one.
― Joses Chrust (map), Saturday, 6 February 2021 19:19 (three years ago) link
congratulations to hunter biden for quitting his cocaine habit, who has a book out by the way *sniffs*
― Joses Chrust (map), Saturday, 6 February 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link
Ehh Hunter Biden can totally do what he wants now because he was subject to sleazy attacks like that. He wins. It’s over.
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Saturday, 6 February 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
hunter biden can do what he wants bc he is (family tragedy notwithstanding) the beneficiary of world-historical privilege
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Saturday, 6 February 2021 19:53 (three years ago) link
True but in addition to that!
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Saturday, 6 February 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
Hunter Biden can do whatever he want because his testimony in front of the GOP House in 2023 is going to be hilarious.
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Saturday, 6 February 2021 20:19 (three years ago) link
🐎👞
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Saturday, 6 February 2021 20:21 (three years ago) link
just this week: "hey women and people of color aren't the only ones who get mean reply tweets you know" and "why is the media trying to make the attack on the capitol some kind of big deal, makes u think"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 18 February 2021 02:42 (three years ago) link
This Rush Limbaugh rant on the reaction of the GOP establishment & Fox News to Trump actually contains some insights https://t.co/pwwqxH3pmt— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 28, 2016
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 February 2021 17:53 (three years ago) link
actually,
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
*sad slide whistle* thanks for playing glenn
― pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
richard spencer had some good points on this also
― Left, Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:14 (three years ago) link
what is this guys audience these days, apart from the haters/gawkers i mean
― Left, Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:16 (three years ago) link
@ggreenwald I think Rush has it correct. It is not only lefties who can be insightful. This is why I follow you- good to hear both sides.— bill ahearn (@billahearn3) January 28, 2016
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:25 (three years ago) link
that's his 'audience'
22 dogs xps
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:26 (three years ago) link
good to hear both sides
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:26 (three years ago) link
my version of "right-wingers can sometimes offer useful context/analysis" is reading the economist lol
can we create a crowdsourced Twitter account and give everybody in here the password and over time just acquire mass followers and troll greenwald until he loses his mind and leaves the internet forever?
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
one of the other responses was "Democrats should have listened, then they'd have a platform" and it's like....yeah they should have listened to you and lost the last election?
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:28 (three years ago) link
people still spreading the "Democrats need 2 do sum soul searching if they wanna win again" takes even when they don't lose.
wow those tweets are very old
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link
i mean cool to see glenn showing his ass in 2016 but i knew he sucked then too
^^^
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
ahahahahahahaha
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:53 (three years ago) link
damn it I almost never fall for that.
the date's...right....there
*hides underground*
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
His rant re January 6 is so annoying. Because The NY Times wrongly relied on statements by 2 cops that another officer was killed by a fire extinguisher, and now it turns out after medical examination that cop died from another means, Glenn says not to trust most of the capital insurrection coverage. He quotes Tucker Carlson approvingly in his screed though.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 19 February 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link
Part of being a gadfly is sucking sustenance out of the ass of horse. Or the ass of an ass. By licking. Right Glenn?
― pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Friday, 19 February 2021 20:34 (three years ago) link
Every day I express my gratitude to the Universe for providing Patreon, Substack and any other platforms that enable a journalist do write and report without having to be subjected to the increasingly repressive and deranged climate prevailing inside liberal media outlets:
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 16:37 (three years ago) link
Oy veh. Yeah it’s just those Libs
cw: transphobia
Finally, as famed lesbian @kittypurrzog notes, there are now -- among Millennials and Gen Z -- more people identifying as trans than lesbian. She has previously argued that masculine girls are now encouraged to identify as trans, causing a decrease in the lesbian population: pic.twitter.com/stFNHQtLoq— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 24, 2021
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link
hope K4ti3 H3rz0g gets a loathsome disease
― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link
"trans men are genociding butch lesbians" is a fuckin take
― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:17 (three years ago) link
god I hate these freaks
fuck the Str4ng3r btw
― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:19 (three years ago) link
setting aside the dumb terf lesbian genocide argument just being dumb in general the statistics he points out show an increase in the lesbian population
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
yes the thing that is v funny is that neither glenn nor katie are able to read the graph
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:33 (three years ago) link
and a massive increase in people self-IDing as bisexual, some subset of whom would have presumably been pressured to "pick a side" back in the day
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:34 (three years ago) link
but you don't get Da Clicks complaining about how the bisexual mafia are erasing lesbianism
or what do I know, maybe you do, I am not conversant with every chamber of Famed Lesbian Twitter
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
the little knowledge i have about bisexual discourse on twitter suggests it is very bad
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
i wouldn't know though, what is a tweet
Anyway, I assume GG would say "no but you see the relevant question is how many Gen Z lesbians WOULD THERE BE were the youth discouraged from IDing as trans," a sort of Value Over Replacement Lesbian computation
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
Update 2:50pmthe Brave pundit population has decreased at the same amount that the dumbfuck population has risen
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link
so bored of this trajectory
― Towards a Britain-Free Planet (Left), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link
the bit about bisexuals being in different-sex relationships is some extremely funny "I don't think you fully understand what 'bisexual' means" stupidity
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:53 (three years ago) link
another irritating aspect of mis-analyzing that data: Gallup only polled people 18+ so "Gen Z" only includes people born 1997-2002. Comparing that fraction of one generation to the other full cohorts is misleading (not to mention the obvious differences you'd expect asking 18 year olds about their sexual identity versus 38 or 68 year olds)
― rob, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link
Greenwald is flipping out on ppl who called him out on that shit tweet.
Partially by simultaneously throwing H3rz0g under the bus, then by admitting he used her as a shield against criticism.
Fuck this shit bag.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 22:38 (three years ago) link
These are major social and cultural changes that are extremely new. I’ve lived as a gay man in LGBT communities way too long to give the slightest shit about bad faith accusations from anonyomous morons like you seeking to prevent any discussion or exploration of these trends.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 24, 2021
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 22:39 (three years ago) link
(some of the clapbacks he got were great though)
I liked how he ignored that there are also more people who identify as trans than as lesbian in the "Traditionalist" (pre-Boomer) generation.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:02 (three years ago) link
Maybe we can get a fact-check from one of our intrepid and totally non-partisan fact-checkers such as @ddale8, @GlennKesslerWP or @PolitiFact about this glaring, blatant lie Jen Psaki (so refreshingly) told to justify why Biden refuses to even sanction Mohammed bin Salman? pic.twitter.com/0FazuLMHh5— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 2, 2021
I published a fact check on this false claim yesterday. Good tweet, though https://t.co/siEHpfPd4c— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) March 2, 2021
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link
greenwald school of journalism: never write that someone "falsely claimed" when you can say they "claimed -- falsely --"
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link
he's like a Sideshow Bob forever in search of the next rake to tread on
― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
greenwald school of journalism: never write that someone "falsely claimed" when you can say they "claimed -- falsely --"― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, March 2, 2021 1:12 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, March 2, 2021 1:12 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Haha. There's definitely a sneering tone to the latter: "Falsely, I might add!"
― jaymc, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
Christ, what an asshole.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvpC684XAAU9FxZ.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 4 March 2021 14:29 (three years ago) link
lmao
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 March 2021 14:32 (three years ago) link
he's right, they're national socialists
― no (Left), Thursday, 4 March 2021 14:36 (three years ago) link
Socialism is anything you want it to be, man.
― Bruno Ganz and Babaloo Mandel (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 4 March 2021 15:41 (three years ago) link
Is that a real quote?
― treeship., Thursday, 4 March 2021 15:54 (three years ago) link
he so smart
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 March 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link
I'm not interested in this asshole enough to make shit up about him.
https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/03/glenn-greenwald-interview-tucker-carlson-socialism-christian-datoc-omeed-malik-populism/
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 4 March 2021 16:03 (three years ago) link
imagine Glenn interviewing Sully Erna
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 March 2021 16:04 (three years ago) link
"are you doing the best that you can?""fucking go away."
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 March 2021 16:12 (three years ago) link
“...and I’m the King of Spain!”
― pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 March 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link
I just heard Glenn talking to Virgil Texas and BJG about how Andrea Mitchell being condescending on twitter about Ted Cruz thinking he was quoting William Faulkner when he was actually quoting Shakespeare is the problem with American liberalism.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
Is Ted Cruz a socialist.
― Bruno Ganz and Babaloo Mandel (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 4 March 2021 20:43 (three years ago) link
A subscriber to "free speech" absolutist @ggreenwald's Substack just got canceled after leaving sort of a boring snarky comment at the bottom of Greenwald's latest post. 😂#RIPJimF pic.twitter.com/OdcXd559vP— Nick Martin (@nickmartin) March 5, 2021
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 5 March 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v32/n13/jenny-turner/who-are-they
Good piece from 2010 on this anti-liberalism tendency stretching back into the late 80s.
I do think this is the relatively early stages of a newer incarnation though. Other than an organic crank core previous incarnations haven't had that much success within the wider 'left'. Spiked has outsized presence in the UK due to outside funding, and credulous amplification by the likes of the BBC rather than any genuine presence.
But this seems to me the earlyish stages of something more likely to gain a wider foothold, (previously?) respected figures on board. Populism for populisms sake, where populism is shouting and not understanding things.
The Nazbol Vortex is here, the Strasserite Arc. Tucker hates corporations too! Based!.
― anvil, Saturday, 6 March 2021 04:41 (three years ago) link
Hungry4Ass's first response that Greenwald is cooler than Mordy hasn't held up that well imo
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 6 March 2021 05:00 (three years ago) link
Mordy is way cooler
― Steve M (Banned) (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 7 March 2021 02:23 (three years ago) link
this guy!
Imagine being the kind of person who, when a woman has the courage to open up about the abuse and misogyny she's endured just for doing her job, seizes the chance to publicly dunk on her for *checks notes* *double-checks notes* *triple-checks notes* not being julian assange pic.twitter.com/hBIO9j8O7W— Will Oremus (@WillOremus) March 9, 2021
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 20:26 (three years ago) link
32 minutes apart. Absolutely breathtaking. pic.twitter.com/X19jajcQEa— August J. Pollak (@AugustJPollak) March 9, 2021
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 00:20 (three years ago) link
But you see I was Joking!
It's literally impossible to satirize woke idiocy in a way that its practitioners will know you're doing it, because in their world, the most outlandish and idiotic uses of wokeism are cheered, so no matter how glaring you make the mockery, they still won't see it. https://t.co/nhXQG67cZZ— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 9, 2021
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
“staying offline and having my work impeded”
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
the joke-maker has logged on
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
he did some real good work today covering the crucial NatSec story of bidens dog biting someone. glad he found the courage to stay online, online, always online
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 03:00 (three years ago) link
wtf is this journalismgate horseshit
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 03:20 (three years ago) link
i feel like greenwald's twitter is always like one step removed from a lot of transphobic convos lately too, it's pretty incredible
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 03:22 (three years ago) link
There’s no way he hasn’t already ridden for J3ss3 S1ng@l
― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 03:27 (three years ago) link
been stumping for him for years now
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 03:29 (three years ago) link
Today in "can someone just napalm his compound already?":
Greenwald and Katie Herzog lament that trans people have surpassed sis white gay men and lesbians on the "ladder of oppression." Glenn claims, "The minute you declare yourself nonbinary or trans, you catapult up the ladder of oppression that absolutely confers concrete benefits." pic.twitter.com/YOfiDhjEpL— Matthew Dimitri 🐍🧪 (@themattdimitri) March 21, 2021
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link
can I suggest we stop bumping this thread until a) Greenwald actually does something newsworthy/unexpected, or b) Greenwald dies?
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 15:45 (three years ago) link
― Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 15:47 (three years ago) link
I guess since he really has no defenders here anymore, we can drop the subject...
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link
He had a tweet the other day that I actually liked— I was surprised, too!— but of course his motivations behind posting it were sus as hell.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link
you don't catapult up a ladder
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 20:50 (three years ago) link
i hit play, heard "declare yourself nonbinary or trans," closed tab
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link
did think of michael scott declaring bankruptcy though
gl*nn gr**nwald and j*ck posobi*c are directing insane harassment to a literal INTERN (!!!) at USA Today what kind of grown adult speaks this way to random young women doing their job.. it’s sickening. love this cute industry where harassment is supposedly par for the course. pic.twitter.com/aVsPosKmJ3— Rachel E. Greenspan (@rach_greenspan) March 29, 2021
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 29 March 2021 08:13 (three years ago) link
Our guy joins a great internet tradition
pic.twitter.com/SJCGltZbvR— Maia 🏳️⚧️ (@EGirlMonetarism) April 12, 2021
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 12 April 2021 02:44 (three years ago) link
glorified redditor
― new display name (Left), Monday, 12 April 2021 03:09 (three years ago) link
Out there fighting the good fight, defending Matt Gaetz and trying to nitpick about age of consent laws that are not applicable in the state of FL.
Due Process, Adult Sexual Morality and the Case of Rep. Matt Gaetzhttps://t.co/lhzST08RKr— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 11, 2021
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 12 April 2021 04:53 (three years ago) link
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 12 April 2021 12:52 (three years ago) link
OTM
― peace, man, Monday, 12 April 2021 12:54 (three years ago) link
sorry to bump this thread before greenwald dies, i did not particularly want to end up reading one of his newsletters and then gazing at the conspiracy theorists in the comments section in horror but that's what happened this morning. him and taibbi and their apparent best bros jesse singal and andrew sullivan are like this susbtack thinktank now and are consistently rewarded and prioritized by their platform and i would feel a pleasant degree of schadenfreude at all of them collectively showing their asses especially about anything remotely touching trans issues if it weren't accompanied by a profound sense of dread and rage that they've made money and courted an audience over it. just had to get that out
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link
Sullivan in particular has become liberated from any semblance of common sense and general courtesy; he's gleeful about his awfulness.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 16:05 (three years ago) link
Sullivan was always gleeful about his awfulness IIRC, he's basically been Bill Maher as columnist for most of his career
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 18:46 (three years ago) link
He made his bones with phrenology in The New Republic, it would be difficult to become worse.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
Well, phrenology depends on bones.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 April 2021 10:04 (three years ago) link
EXCLUSIVE: See comics industry reactions to Substack's controversial move to exclude the artists @CullyHamner https://t.co/XwMnLJ23LI— Inverse (@inversedotcom) June 24, 2021
Inverse is a site known for poisonous anti-Semitic and anti-LGBT content. That is especially true of the sources on whom it relies such as @CullyHamner. Please be advised: https://t.co/WjofI9XmCx— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 24, 2021
The culture of liberal journalism is so bizarre. They have made it so there are no evidentiary standards that have to be met before publishing serious accusations that someone is a racist, transphobe, misogynist, paid Russian agent, etc. You just puke it up when you feel like it.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 24, 2021
The Inverse tweet made it seem as if someone named Cully Hamner was the author of this article. Others made the same assumption. He wasn't. So the lies and bigotry driving this article shouldn't have been attributed to him but to its author. Apologies.https://t.co/q3PWvBplCM— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 24, 2021
(Cully Hamner is an artist who draws superhero and adventure comic books, and is interviewed in the piece about how Substack's comics program is headed by an alt-right dude who moved into writing superhero comics when he failed at local politics, and has designed the program such that the money and copyrights are kept by the writers.)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 26 June 2021 23:45 (two years ago) link
At this point getting dog piled by GG and his followers is something like a badge of honor
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 June 2021 13:34 (two years ago) link
Is it me or is this turd getting much worse much faster?
― burnt hombre (stevie), Monday, 2 August 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link
Weren't we only gonna bump this thread when he croaks?
― peace, man, Monday, 2 August 2021 17:10 (two years ago) link
damn
glenn greenwald, i don’t have $10,000 right now but if i get it i want to send it back to you from a donation you once did. i can’t deal with this anymore. im terrified of you and everything you do. you’re greedy, unprincipled, and im embarrassed for ever considering you a friend— Chelsea E. Manning (@xychelsea) September 2, 2021
― bon ivermectin (Murgatroid), Thursday, 2 September 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
His response (which I won't reproduce here) is super fucking choice, too.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 2 September 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
Never thought I would unironically RT @xychelsea but there you are. You go girl, on this matter anyway— Louise Mensch, M.A. (@LouiseMensch) September 2, 2021
― symsymsym, Friday, 3 September 2021 02:27 (two years ago) link
i mean yes but ok louise
― Left, Friday, 3 September 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
kinda shocked Louise is not siding with Glenn at this pt
― bon ivermectin (Murgatroid), Friday, 3 September 2021 02:34 (two years ago) link
I find that when I click on a weird Twitter response to a political post to look at the person's feed (why do I do this? Some kind of mild self-harm instinct I guess) I surprisingly often find it's an anti-religion, anti-"critical race theory", anti-woke, Greenwald-loving account. This is a constellation of views I don't think I really understand, but it's out there.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 19:30 (two years ago) link
the cheese has absolutely slid off of his cracker:
This was a pivotal moment in the pandemic's history:For 4 months, the message was clear and unrelenting: everyone must stay home. Those who leave - even to go to a deserted beach - are reckless sociopaths.It flipped overnight to endorse a mass protest movement liberals liked: https://t.co/SJUIz0dbOw— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 28, 2021
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:50 (two years ago) link
wtf
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:58 (two years ago) link
Ah yes, the important Grim Reapah on the beach story everyone remembers
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 December 2021 15:28 (two years ago) link
“we lost faith in covid messaging bc of blm protests”…. hella brainworms
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 30 December 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
he's always been like this, guys
― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 30 December 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link
See: defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald
― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 30 December 2021 15:45 (two years ago) link
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 30 December 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
“This is what the Nazis did.” pic.twitter.com/DeeYT5qkqE— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) January 25, 2022
― bulb after bulb, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:12 (two years ago) link
He’s doing a bit to make fun of people who got mad at Trump for vilifying the press.
― JoeStork, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:14 (two years ago) link
apologies for sharing this clever satire from Glenn. I’m unfortunately blocked and can’t keep up with rapier wit.
― bulb after bulb, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link
he's not capable of 'doing bits'
― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:37 (two years ago) link
this is the type of thing GG would say in earnest, if you've read his Twitter in the last 6 months. if that's sarcasm, well...then he's not good at it.
also lol at him thinking calling a reporter a "son of a bitch" is the same as calling them the "enemy of the people" , revoking press passes for reporters he didn't like, accusing Acosta of beating his intern, etc.
god I hate this prick and hope he drops dead of a stroke
― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:39 (two years ago) link
yeah it's just really dumb sarcasm.
i did see that he's recently dropped his support of Lula in favor of an alternative candidate who's polling in single digits and will by most people's estimations act as a spoiler to help Bolsonaro, so that's pretty cool.
― JoeStork, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 03:26 (two years ago) link
he tries to do bits all the time and i agree that this is one of them (he's extremely bad at them bcz he's a terrible writer at all times in all modes)
re his shifting political allegiance in brazil (and his husband's, since that's who's switching parties here) i actually think he's eversoslightly correct (i complained abt it way upthread) that US english speakers especially only ever really pay attention to the detail of brazilian politics to own him and make very little attempt whatever to keep themselves informed in a serious way (caveat: memes abt bolsonaro getting covid for the 409857203957th time are never not funny)
― mark s, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 11:01 (two years ago) link
yeah it's just really dumb sarcasm.i did see that he's recently dropped his support of Lula in favor of an alternative candidate who's polling in single digits and will by most people's estimations act as a spoiler to help Bolsonaro, so that's pretty cool.
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 14:21 (two years ago) link
good question! i believe he helped found a brazilian edition of the intercept tho i imagine there's been a parting of the ways since lol
he's broken at least one big brazilian story as i understand it. i gather his (tweeted) portuguese isn't terrible tho i'd definitely be interested in knowing how well he handles being edited in portuguese, give how badly he handles being edited in english. p hard to find anyone commenting objectively tho…
― mark s, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 15:38 (two years ago) link
i "believe" i "understand" i "gather" -- i mean, i would like better access to better information on this!
― mark s, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 15:40 (two years ago) link
Ah yes
🤯 pic.twitter.com/Iceprnn6cH— andy™ (@andylevy) February 25, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 February 2022 20:48 (two years ago) link
Ukraine never became part of NATO but Greenwald and those who think like him believe that just talking about that made Putin's war inevitable and sorta justified. Crazy. I think even if there had been no NATO talk, Putin still would have wanted Ukraine
Here's the view on Russia/Ukraine of former long-time President of Bolivia Evo Morales: pic.twitter.com/1fuH2Zqd4Z— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 25, 2022
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 26 February 2022 07:59 (two years ago) link
I for one am glad someone is willing to stand up to the Newsmax/Bernie/CIA consensus
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 26 February 2022 16:45 (two years ago) link
Seems like almost everyone in his general orbit has been owning up to mistakes, poor judgment, (understandable) over-skepticism of US intelligence, but he seems genuinely incapable of admitting that he’s ever been wrong.
― JoeStork, Saturday, 26 February 2022 16:57 (two years ago) link
yeah even Michael Tracey somehow had an apologetic tweet
― symsymsym, Saturday, 26 February 2022 17:22 (two years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/o1uYqoEhb6— ℮oin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) March 14, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 03:15 (two years ago) link
I feel like reading this would actually kill brain cells.
Incredible new magazine just dropped https://t.co/TmbSAiMbkZ pic.twitter.com/JaSZR2w2oM— Zack Beauchamp (@zackbeauchamp) March 22, 2022
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 13:53 (two years ago) link
most of the articles on the site would register as parody to me if i didn't know they were extremely not parodic
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 13:58 (two years ago) link
The one by the dude who wants more paintings he can jack off to was pretty funny.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:02 (two years ago) link
Good Lord - Peter Hitchens, Nina Power and Paul Embery together at last.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:05 (two years ago) link
Sam Kriss!
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:07 (two years ago) link
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, March 22, 2022 10:02 AM (seven minutes ago)
I almost injured my face grimacing at that one.
Was Power always like this and I just didn't realize it? Or did she jump into the deep end after I stopped paying attention (late 00s)?
― rob, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:10 (two years ago) link
No, she wasn’t. It’s a relatively recent thing. Hard turn towards conservatism when she took up with DC Miller.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:12 (two years ago) link
What if there was a place where you could debate ideas others don't want you to know about? What if everything that has been settled could be shaken up? What if we could rethink age of consent laws? compactmag.com
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:14 (two years ago) link
xpAh ok thanks. I started her piece on "patriarchy" and couldn't believe I used to read someone so wilfully dense (also repugnant)
― rob, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:22 (two years ago) link
bets on when glenn quits in a huff?
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:29 (two years ago) link
"contributing editor" is the "influenced by" of magazine self-branding: the role will make absolutely no demands on his time or mind
― mark s, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:43 (two years ago) link
Roles & Responsibilities: The Contributing Editor shall contribute nothing to the content of the magazine but will be expected to pissily defend it at length to randoms on twitter.
― rob, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:45 (two years ago) link
thats what i said lol
― mark s, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:50 (two years ago) link
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, March 22, 2022 10:29 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
When the site takes down an article for being Pro-something horrible
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 14:52 (two years ago) link
is the title of the mag intentional or?? Compact Magazine is the German neo-fascist rag that routinely publishes Martin Sellner, the Austrian neo-Nazi whose Nazi shit is so extreme he got exiled from the UK and banned from entering the United States pic.twitter.com/QDk1WleJBy— Elizabeth Bruenig (@ebruenig) March 22, 2022
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 15:27 (two years ago) link
.@ggreenwald is retweeting white supremacist cartoonist stonetoss pic.twitter.com/9N6wfyNvcp— hannah gais (@hannahgais) March 24, 2022
― The Quantum Superposition Platform - For Life (MoominTrollin), Saturday, 26 March 2022 02:01 (two years ago) link
New friends!
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 26 March 2022 04:09 (two years ago) link
In which our fella basically brags about inciting online harassment of Taylor Lorenz and dismisses the entire idea that women in journalism are subject to harassment of all kinds.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/your-top-priority-is-the-emotional?s=r
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 3 April 2022 16:53 (two years ago) link
Pays himself by the word possibly.
― The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 April 2022 02:35 (two years ago) link
as i've been ploughing a bit of a lone furrow in this thread wondering abt the quality of greenwald's work as a journalist *in brazil* (mostly published in portuguese, which i don't read), this is an interesting update (conclusion for those who don't click: GG's role in exposing how bogus was lula's prosecution was significant, GG's telling of that story is has strange gaps in it)
https://fair.org/home/greenwalds-bombshell-brazil-scoops-have-curious-blindspot-for-us-involvement/
― mark s, Monday, 4 April 2022 10:48 (two years ago) link
Thanks for sharing that useful piece.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 April 2022 12:57 (two years ago) link
a woman I was at school with and who has ran for office as a trotskyist approvingly shared that Nina Power piece on insta recently. a lot of weird anti-woke/trad turns from millennial leftists online who listen to red scare and read Christopher lash but this was the first time I saw it happening in someone I know irl
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 April 2022 18:05 (two years ago) link
xp I liked the inquiring article about gg, that seems like a good question to ask to me, and i do go with writer’s option that “gg is targeting his current readership and media.” As his career has moved farther along, he doesn’t seem to care so much about any issue or policy quite so much as he cares about aggressively pursuing and defending his notoriety and/or whatever trench he’s dug himself into. He def doesn’t have any obligation to pursue every target that is also ready for investigation. usa foreign practice and policy certainly is a good one here, imo. But given that he’s not been afraid to go at us govt before, protecting his privilege w his media allies seem logical enuf. Has he had a fit yet?If the hacker goes to jail, that’s also his style?
― The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 April 2022 23:08 (two years ago) link
Ugh I just looked at that Compact magazine, awful. A defense of Orban, lots of handwringing about "Woke ideology," but I guess Greenwald's happy as long as they're anti-"American war machine."
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 16:59 (two years ago) link
he doesn’t seem to care so much about any issue or policy quite so much as he cares about aggressively pursuing and defending his notoriety and/or whatever trench he’s dug himself into.
otm. he's still a litigation attorney at heart. he likes winning arguments more than he likes any given policy in & of itself.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 17:06 (two years ago) link
iirc the issue he was obsessed with around '07-? was Telecom Immunity. When Obama flipped on that issue and libs didn't care, I feel like that was GG's first break with the people who were following him because he was anti-Bush.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 17:37 (two years ago) link
and torture, on which he was very good and quite alone in his relentlessness
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:17 (two years ago) link
i wouldnt go so far to say he was quite alone on that one, but his 2005 torture writing is a great case in point: compare it to his moaning this week that the images from Bucha are simply "propaganda" that is "context-and-evidence-free" for further evidence that his one true & lasting love is dissent for its own sake
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link
haha -- note I qualified it. No one can relentless like our Glenn.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:38 (two years ago) link
Having fun watching GG lose it over Taylor Lorenz.
This is a stupid viral lie being spread by Taylor. She announced she intended to publish @libsoftiktok's name. After, @libsoftiktok provided proof Taylor went to her relatives' houses and asked me to report it to deter Taylor from stalking more people.https://t.co/ulGxVmrn0u— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 19, 2022
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 17:35 (two years ago) link
He's not handling it well.
I really want to see the parallel world in which people visit Taylor's house and the homes and workplaces of her relatives to dig up dirt on her. I have a strong feeling the people defending Taylor doing this to private citizens won't be similarly supportive if it's done to her.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 19, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 17:55 (two years ago) link
I love this outrage about VISITING PEOPLE'S HOUSES, which is such a common part of journalistic practice that we have all seen it done a hundred times in movies and TV shows. I've had to do it myself!
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 17:56 (two years ago) link
fucking lmao @ all the snowflakes on the right whining about how LibsOfTikTok "merely retweets lefties" as though she hasn't spent the last few months calling everyone a predator and suggesting that all queer teachers should be fired
― frogbs, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 18:10 (two years ago) link
Doesn’t the Libs of Tik Tok woman need her name out there to rake in that sweet sweet reactionary money anyway?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 18:16 (two years ago) link
Could the WashPost be any pettier or more jealous? If you feel inadequate about what you've accomplished journalistically, working harder to break meaningful stories is a better solution than trying to malign those who have. Again, this jealousy is why they want Assange punished. pic.twitter.com/tfIwUm0hQo— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 19, 2022
GG, the journalist who has never knocked on a door for a story, mad that he's been called a "right wing pundit" and an "online influencer"
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 18:26 (two years ago) link
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, April 3, 2022 12:53 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink
isn't it weird how he JUST wrote this screed about how women are not harassed on the internet (the only real victim is glenn greenwald himself isn't that so) and today he's conflating journalists visiting houses to talk to people with stalking and in response he does this "it'd be a shame if anything happened to you" tweet
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:15 (two years ago) link
No one in this thread is actually defending Glenn.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:17 (two years ago) link
speak for yourself
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:20 (two years ago) link
i don't understand what that's in response to
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:30 (two years ago) link
the thread title
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:30 (two years ago) link
it took me a minute too
I guess he really is indefensible, poor schmuck.
I used to think he was pretty spot on about privacy issues. Now he's just a troll.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:32 (two years ago) link
he used to be good, or i used to think so. 2013 feels like a long time ago. he declined pretty drastically a couple years after that, became unreadable during the trump era and hasn’t recovered.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:39 (two years ago) link
I stopped reading him around 2009. He wasn't terrible yet, but his style had worn thin.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:40 (two years ago) link
oh, i get it. i don't even see the parts of the title that say things that reoccur like RIP and S&D and defend the indefensible, might as well be an RIP thread for all i care
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:44 (two years ago) link
RIP Glenn Greenwald's journalistic career
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:46 (two years ago) link
full disclosure i still find glenn's perspective useful but the basis of his entire argument is that the libs of tik tok lady isn't a public figure which i just don't agree w/ at all. to me he seems to be arguing that just because you choose to be anonymous means that journalists have to respect that choice & i also disagree w/ that pretty firmly. of course where that line is drawn is subject to debate and based on contextual issues related to each case, but in this case i don't really see the argument for not revealing this woman's identity w/in the larger framing of an article about the account. she's done interviews on the most watched TV news show in the world, that was her choice. on the other hand i also don't find lorenz to be a particularly sympathetic figure so i'm kinda like that larry david meme on this one
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 April 2022 19:56 (two years ago) link
Hi GlennJust checking up on you, all good? pic.twitter.com/KRpHOjY42R— Blob 🌹 (@BlobOfVoid) April 19, 2022
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 20:03 (two years ago) link
Again, he needs to be torn apart by his damp jungle dogs.
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 20:55 (two years ago) link
i still find glenn's perspective useful
Could you summarize that "perspective" and explain how you find it "useful"? Useful for what?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 21:00 (two years ago) link
usually when there's a GG flame-up the fun bit is seeing which of the shitposting lefties and amused libs i follow dunks on him (or responds substantively) and who is sitting out this round: most times most ppl sit it out, but it's always a different selection that lights into him, and it's fun to check that cycle, like they have a roster they work out in the DMs
well today literally *everyone* is pitching in, from joshtpm to the garbage ape
― mark s, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 21:21 (two years ago) link
Probably because everyone has finally had enough of his bullshit
― castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 21:26 (two years ago) link
seems more gleeful than fed up tbh
― mark s, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 21:30 (two years ago) link
everyone loves a crying bully
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 21:33 (two years ago) link
Glem is not some hapless guy he is an idiot with millions of followers and a huge platform on us media.
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 22:11 (two years ago) link
An idiot and actively bigoted against women, trans, non-whites who holds himself out as a leftist for a right wing audience.
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 22:14 (two years ago) link
not sure who yr lecturing abt this on this thread, morbs was the last person to defend him with any vigour and then largely to wind up fred b
― mark s, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 22:16 (two years ago) link
He’s anti system without any moral core. One minute he’s Bernie, then he’s all about Trump and advocating a red-brown alliance.
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 22:17 (two years ago) link
Ok you seemed to be wondering why everyone picks on him.
nope i think it's unsurprising and entirely justified, he shd cry more
― mark s, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 22:26 (two years ago) link
i actually do think he's a bit hapless
i once saw a tweet that put a picture of him next to a dog that got stung by a bee because they had the same face and i think about that tweet every day
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 22:27 (two years ago) link
And he owns 245 dogs
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 22:37 (two years ago) link
Lots of people have been asking how they can support me. I started a substack & will be posting some exclusive content for subscribers there. It’s the best way to lend support and stay connected if I get banned from social media. I will never be silenced! https://t.co/WLwnY4m2bH— Libs of Tik Tok (@libsoftiktok) April 19, 2022
There we go
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 23:49 (two years ago) link
Pigs of Sub Stak
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 00:29 (two years ago) link
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, April 19, 2022 5:00 PM (three hours ago)
well, i still think he has a lot of good stuff to say about the US govt, the national security state, foreign policy, war, the military industrial complex, how the defense industry at large disseminates its POVs thru the media, legal matters etc. i think his perspective on the war between ukraine and russia has been a useful counter narrative to much of what you otherwise will find in the media, same for russian interference in the election, tho he can overly focus on that to the point of boredom (for me) (i don't care about hunter biden's laptop) (i also think much of the russia based hysterics have been proven to look foolish by now). his opinions on liberal/republican culture war stuff i don't really care for or about, but i just scroll past that stuff. he cares way too much about fox news vs msnbc, taylor lorenz, the new york times etc. but again, i just scroll or click away. i think he's stayed pretty ideologically consistent over the years on stuff like privacy, censorship, speech, war etc. i disagree w/ him even on those things but the ideological basis for his arguments is pretty much always clear to me. i find his writing really tedious nowadays btw i never read his articles i'm just talking about his twitter punditry
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 April 2022 01:09 (two years ago) link
"i find his writing really tedious nowadays
i'm just talking about his twitter punditry"
i you what why not just stop
― The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 05:49 (two years ago) link
for the record (and to ensure we all think abt it every day):
https://t.co/2DOky89U0W pic.twitter.com/7UVXEEXP1D— in the pocket of Big Tenant (@AllezLesBoulez) April 20, 2022
― mark s, Wednesday, 20 April 2022 13:22 (two years ago) link
btw the real shit thing about this is the LibsOfTikTok lady is probably gonna be set for life after this, nothing the right wing loves more than a martyr
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 April 2022 13:24 (two years ago) link
I notice how almost none of the LOTT defenders, including Greenwald, actually engage with the utter dreck and hate that account traffics in. They act like it's just "making fun of liberals," but its real focus is aggressive anti-gay anti-trans hate.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 13:29 (two years ago) link
Guy on Facebook yesterday was going off at me about witches in Kentucky teaching toddlers to masturbate, which he got off LOTT. Which actually turned out to be a community sex education nonprofit trying to provide decent health information and contraception access to Appalachian teenagers — who have very high teen pregnancy rates. This is what that site does, it makes people online hate things like Appalachian contraception access. It's vile.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 13:31 (two years ago) link
also worth mentioning that LOTT bought in wholesale to that "litter boxes in schools" story
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 April 2022 13:33 (two years ago) link
"News and videos you won't see anywhere else."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 13:39 (two years ago) link
the fact that LOTT is sharing info with the DeSantis admin to be used in attacks on FL teachers kind of takes her out of the realm of anonymous internet posters
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 13:51 (two years ago) link
i watched the video in that tweet and came away with the undeniable conclusion that glenn greenwald is a huge clown with no integrity
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 14:03 (two years ago) link
The same folks happy that LOTT is getting teachers fired and or harassed were going crazy cuz the W. Post article originally had a link to LOTT lady's Brooklyn real estate office (and cuz the W Post writer showed up at door of her Brooklyn relatives and knocked on the door). Funny that GG ended up being cited as a source in the article confirming LOTT locations
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 20 April 2022 14:10 (two years ago) link
thank you mark s!
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 14:12 (two years ago) link
He looks so overjoyed to be receiving the attention of Tucker, a fascist who would gladly push Glem into a gas oven at the earliest opportunity, as soon as he ceased being a useful tool.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 14:17 (two years ago) link
so fucking infuriating that the LOTT lady is acting like she has to be moved to a "secure location" because one reporter knocked on her door while she has singlehandedly inspired hundreds of death threats against people just because they're queer
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 April 2022 14:25 (two years ago) link
Since this is where we're talking LOTT, I'll add this Pareene link, which seems otm: https://theap.substack.com/p/they-know-how-journalism-works-theyre?s=r
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 15:43 (two years ago) link
1. In a lengthy defense of @TuckerCarlson, @ggreenwald says "there is no racial hierarchy in Carlson's view of American citizenship and to claim that there is is nothing short of a defamatory lie." Here is exactly why this is wrong. 🧵— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) May 15, 2022
― curmudgeon, Monday, 16 May 2022 01:33 (one year ago) link
I can't.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 May 2022 01:49 (one year ago) link
Can we just leave this thread alone until GG dies
― castanuts (DJP), Monday, 16 May 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link
Seconding
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 May 2022 21:33 (one year ago) link
Stop censoring us
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 16 May 2022 22:31 (one year ago) link
― castanuts (DJP), Monday, 16 May 2022 22:34 (one year ago) link
Sorry, can't stop myself.
Current state of Greenwald is he's doing puff piece media for Alex Jones https://t.co/nX2Gw1BzsM— Wild Geerters (@steinkobbe) July 18, 2022
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 18 July 2022 18:41 (one year ago) link
AJ looks like shit
― Left, Monday, 18 July 2022 19:09 (one year ago) link
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 21:04 (four years ago)
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Monday, 18 July 2022 20:57 (one year ago) link
my man is simply the greatest to ever do it pic.twitter.com/lqTCepCaEw— mark (@kept_simple) July 20, 2022
remember that old joke about how liberals would forgive their muggers mid-mugging?
― rob, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 19:49 (one year ago) link
Gaetz is holding out for a bill that lowers the marriage age to 14 nationwide.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:40 (one year ago) link
Libertarians going full fash has ruined the market for "actually, it's ephebophilia" jokes.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:41 (one year ago) link
JFC. The whole point of constitutionally protected rights is that the states cannot infringe on them. Saying "it should be left to the states" is an admission that (1) constitutional protections do not exist and (2) you are OK with individual states outlawing the activity in question altogether. We shouldn't concede either point.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link
Someone get me when Greenwald is launched into the sun
― castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 21:28 (one year ago) link
Seems like GG has found a really cool new audience.
Probably because Soros acts more like a stereotype. It's like he read antisemitic literature and was like "I could actually do that and when someone points it out I can cry 'antisemitism!'". People who actually know what soros gets up to know the complaints are legit.— Jonathan Kadmon (@JonathanKadmon) July 25, 2022
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Monday, 25 July 2022 21:30 (one year ago) link
Imagine the worst possible conversation between Greenwald and Alex Jones, then stand back in awe as it goes so much worse than that.
In case you were wondering if Glenn Greenwald was going to ask Alex Jones tough questions about Sandy Hook in their recent chat, well, here's the gist of what they said to each other about Jones' shtick (eg the massacre was a hoax, etc): pic.twitter.com/nkqD8qjYhb— Bill Grueskin (@BGrueskin) July 26, 2022
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:16 (one year ago) link
I have to echo DJP and requesting that this thread should be bumped only when this guy is assasinated, which he does not support, by Bolsanaro, who he does not support.
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:26 (one year ago) link
Guys you don’t have to open the thread
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:08 (one year ago) link
Hope springs eternal
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:09 (one year ago) link
What Alex Jones said was "Sandy Hook is synthetic, completely fake, with actors, in my view, manufactured.” verbatim. what a scumbag Glenn Greenwald is.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:19 (one year ago) link
Every time I do, it’s I'm hoping someone is posting an obit
― castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:41 (one year ago) link
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:51 (one year ago) link
Italy is on the verge of an election that will result in its first-ever female Prime Minister, Giorgia Meloni.One of Europe's most authoritarian politicians, the unelected EU Commission President @vonderleyen, is threatening to sanction Italy if its citizens vote for her party. https://t.co/vzLebA1vH7— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 24, 2022
― a hallan shaker loon (dowd), Sunday, 25 September 2022 09:00 (one year ago) link
Find someone who loves you as much as Glem loves far-right politicos
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Sunday, 25 September 2022 10:19 (one year ago) link
It is with the most profound sadness that I announce the passing away of my husband, @DavidMirandaRio. He would have turned 38 tomorrow.His death, early this morning, came after a 9-month battle in ICU. He died in full peace, surrounded by our children and family and friends. pic.twitter.com/wtRvGyJyGl— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) May 9, 2023
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 14:08 (eleven months ago) link