A thread for Armando Iannucci's VEEP

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Here it is, take it:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-veep-20120420,0,3510200.story

toot toot veep veep, veep me 911, etc.

Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Do we think this is going to be good? I'm sort of interested.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty excited! I've seen a bunch of good early hype and trailer looks lolz

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, same. I'm intrigued by this and by the one with Jeff Daniels they keep showing previews for.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

also, i've been craving a sharp, vulgar, + irreverent political sitcom

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ianucci. Not sure Americans can swear quite like this though:

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's true , I was worried when I heard there would be Americans involved in this, they always seem to ruin things

Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Afternoon, ladies. I heard there were sandwiches and I'm a fucker for cress. No, no, no, please don't get up - I'm not Viagra. Geoffrey, good to see you. John, how are you doing? I just wanted to tell you I really enjoyed your novel ... way of writing a fucking awful story."

jed_, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's written some great american characters like Linton Barwick

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

also thought anna chlumsky (My Girl!) was really good in the movie and she's gonna be in this

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haha a fucker for cress. I bet Veep won't have anything close to that. Also THick Of It>>>>In The Loop, right?

Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jamie otm

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

When will it be possible to acquire the first episode?

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

tmmrw night i think

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sunday Night.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

right, that's what i meant

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol, i thought it was saturday already

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks. Monday torrent viewings looking very nice for the next few months then; this, GoT and Mad Men.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a pretty bustling thread about another HBO sitcom happening on sundays

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

The recently completed Eastbound? Or am I missing something?

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

GIRLS

Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

the infection spreads

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Never heard of it, but damn that's a long thread.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

THick Of It>>>>In The Loop, right?

Yes, but I thought the americans had the funniest parts of In The Loop, so I'm optimistic.

abcfsk, Saturday, 21 April 2012 07:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

i saw the first three episodes of this, it's very good

max, Saturday, 21 April 2012 13:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's not as good as the thick of it, mostly because there's no hilarious sweary malcolm tucker character, but i loled several times

max, Saturday, 21 April 2012 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm looking forward to this, especially if it doesn't prove another example of a gifted satirist who sets his eyes on America but quickly reveals he knows little about this country.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 April 2012 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah now that you mention it, I'm glad there was a thread for this before one for The Dictator.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 21 April 2012 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't realize the Thick of it Connection. I just liked the look of a trailer but now I realize that I probably should watch that movie. I'd forgotten about it after the comedy poll.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 21 April 2012 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not quite In The Loop funny, but it was pretty good. I don't know if it would be possible to have two characters as funny as Malcolm Tucker and the eff-star-star-cunt American from ITL.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 23 April 2012 04:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Some thudding moments here and there, but this was pretty funny overall.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 04:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Julia Louis-Dreyfus is great, as are Anna Chlumsky and the slimeball. The press secretary and her body man could wear thin.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 23 April 2012 04:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

this seemed sort of ... off. it's an interesting decision to have the passive-aggressive dweeb kid instead of a malcolm tucker figure but ... i dunno

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe in three or four episodes i will stop automatically comparing it to the thick of it, and then i will also stop automatically trying to make the differences be emblematic of differences in national character

max

i. do they keep up the 'did the president call?' 'no' 'no' and the 'did you know i have my own flag' bits
ii. do they get funny and how many repetitions does it take for them to get funny

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

would honestly stick w/ this just for tony hale & matt walsh but i was ok w/ those 'jokes'

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i laughed. i'll watch until they cancel it.

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

no i mean i honestly believe, given time, those 'jokes' will become funny

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is fine, it's not remotely as good as the early thick of it but it's doubtful anything else is going to be, certainly within the pro forma confines of the american sitcom

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

felt very "ooh, handheld cameras, gratuitous cursing, big fuckin deal" to me, but still pretty funny and a good cast, will watch again

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol well in 2k12 those things are pretty commonplace no?

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

feel like american sitcom is a more expansive genre than british sitcom -- one of the weird things about the thick of it is that it is an absolutely classical version of standard british sitcom setup, only it somehow escapes being awful

xpost ha yeah i don't really notice those things at this point?

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

well yeah that's what i meant, the look/feel of it is kind of played imo

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's an unplayable aesthetic

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think it needs time to develop side characters. People like Blinky Ben, etc...

There's also a different dynamic from The Thick of It. Everyone listened to/was scared of Malcolm, and the politicians tended to need to be shepherded around. JLD seems to have all the agency in Veep, where everyone else is just scrambling to fix her mistakes or get her what she wants.

Also the US doesn't have an equivalent of the civil servant, so we don't get a Terri.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

you guys realize this isn't an adaptation, right, it's a different show by the same creator

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

original title was "The Veep of It" iirc

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

the thick of eep

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

In the Veep

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah, british humour.

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

some dude is british?

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol no, i don't think so

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

oi mates some dude is

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

these political shows that Iannucci has done, do they have any of the same absurdity of the 'Armando Iannucci Show'? I saw the first episode of 'Veep' and it didn't, though it was funny enough in its own right.

boxall, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

no. at least not the surrealism.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

though his next show for HBO, Armando Iannucci's Veep Trumpet, probably will

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

the early thick of it is blackly absurd in the best sense, some of his more freeform stuff is a bit winsome

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

blimey blood sausage, i've been outed

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

too right guv'nor

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Some of the lines felt quite British or straight out of TTOI like 'massive and total shit' and 'Tom Hanks might die'. This is not nec a bad thing but slightly jarring?

kinder, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 05:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

American innovation on stale British sitcom formula = something nice occasionally happens to the lead character, instead of being dangled in front of them and snatched away.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 06:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Obviously I'm against it.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 06:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ six series

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

what i mean about classical british sitcom in re: the thick of it would be something like:

- enclosed environment
- all conflict is created by strict pecking order amongst characters
- each episode follows a rising action plot ending with someone making a tit of themselves

you guys realize this isn't an adaptation, right, it's a different show by the same creator

― Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:14 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

iirc ianucci was 'developing' an american version of 'the thick of it' for ages and then it wasn't being mentioned and then his name was attached to this? i mean ... c'mon. it's the same show. sort of.

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

no, as far as I know there actually was a pilot for the American version of The Thick Of It directed by Christopher Guest

Number None, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

In October, 2006, ABC announced that it was developing a U.S. version of “The Thick of It.” Mitchell Hurwitz, whose show “Arrested Development” had just been cancelled, was named executive producer and co-writer. In a recent e-mail, Hurwitz said that he saw similarities between “Arrested Development” and “The Thick of It,” which, in his reading, was about “people whose big outward and ‘important’ lives are run on a very small and impaired set of inner resources.” He went on, “That just really appeals to me comedically. . . . Big people with small hearts. Stupid people with high I.Q.s.”
Christopher Guest directed the pilot. Iannucci barely had a role. Peter Bennett-Jones, Iannucci’s agent in the U.K., told me, “It seemed to be in good hands, but they just didn’t listen to Armando.” The pilot, which never aired, starred Oliver Platt as an almost avuncular (and non-swearing) envoy from the office of his party’s Whip, and John Michael Higgins as a peppy congressman who has never heard of “The Daily Show.” Seen today, the pilot seems flat. And there is no hint of melancholy, as there was in the British version, no sense of ideals eroded over time. Iannucci said, “It’s not awful, it’s just dull—which, you know, is a good trick to pull off.” Hurwitz defended the pilot, but admitted that it had “lost the sense of mania of the original.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/03/26/120326fa_fact_parker?currentPage=all

Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh, sure, if you want to rely on external evidence

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

look i just called old mandy on the old dog and bone and he said for bobby moore that he developed this show as a version of his other show but for the bloody septics and now he's confirmed it let's have no more talk about it, right? right

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Solid premiere ratings. If people liked it as much as I do it should get a couple of seasons.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

it'll do fine. you practically have to kill a few horses to get less than 2-3 full seasons on HBO these days.

some dude, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm excited for 2-3 full seasons of this

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

How many eps is a typical HBO season?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

SATC generally did 18 - sometimes as few as 12 or 8 (first season + when two of the actresses were pregnant respectively)

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

deadwood and curb were/are 10-13

caek, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

dramas i think tend to be ~12

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

eastbound + d was 6-8

caek, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

it seems to be inconsistent, even within a particular show's run

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stoked for this, it'll feel good to watch a US sitcom from the beginning at the same time as America.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I doubt there have been 18 episodes of The Thick of It in total!!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

enlightened had 10 and it's getting a 2nd season

i enjoyed this tho i kind of hope future episodes are less...stuffed

y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are 8 episodes of this season of Veep

btw i might've mentioned this in a previous thread but a lot of the show was shot in Baltimore instead of D.C. and i was this close to getting to spend a day on the set a few months ago, am really bummed that didn't pan out. maybe next season.

some dude, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

The first episode is good if a little slow-burny (certainly compared to TTOI, but I should make a conscious effort to not compare the two too much). Excellently acted all round.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

kind of reminded me of early parks & rec in that I didn't know what the stakes were, so there was just a bunch of quality comic actors all playing clueless. It's just the pilot, though.

da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

reminds me more of Lisa Kudrow's HBO show The Comeback than anything else

some dude, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

dumb Brit speaking but i've never actually understood exactly what HBO means. is it pay per view? is it cable only? over here we have some satelite/ cable stations where you *have* to pay for the channel month by month (Sky Sports, etc) but some are free with a basic 'freeview' box and so you pay once for that, then never again to watch any given channel. is that how it works over there with HBO? i was never sure also why that means you get more swearing and nudity and suchlike in HBO shows than other non HBO shows. hey i could WIKI this shit but i want the fun version from you guys.

piscesx, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know if it's the fun version, but HBO is cable that you pay an extra monthly fee to get

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

HBO's pay-cable (you have to pay specifically for it, as opposed to getting it with a basic cable package) status means it can show movies unedited and make tv series with no restrictions as to content as opposed to Broadcast (heavily regulated by the FCC) and basic cable (which is more self-regulated than anything, but is dependent on advertisers and cable companies paying subscriptions), because you don't specifically choose those channels.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

also having no advertisers means it's not dependent on ratings, and as it's paid for monthly it has a lot more money than anyone else.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

aha it all makes sense. thanks. i wish Mad Men was made by HBO.

piscesx, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

have not seen this but am suspicious of the choice to make it vague what party anyone belongs to. or is it not vague, upon viewing?

goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh it's vague. I get the motivation but it kind of devolved things to "Looks like those clowns in government did it again. What a bunch of clowns."

da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

JL-D's character is trying to push for "green jobs" in this ep so i'd guess dem but they don't really explicitly state it, no (/notreallyaspoiler)

y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

i imagine they felt it would distract you from what the show is about and i think they're probably right; maybe they'll spill the beans after a couple more shows though?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Looks like those clowns in government did it again. What a bunch of clowns."

yeah this meme is thoroughly owned by the right wing in america; i'm wondering if iannucci realizes how his schtick plays into that?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

'in the loop' drew much of its power from blairite hardasses inescapably seeing what it was they'd muscled into, right?

i've never been satisfied by political drama of any kind tho, really. no show like the real thing imo.

goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

political comedy even less

goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

if the sense of individual characters and their relative intelligence/engagement increases, i could see the lack of political content being irrelevant, esp since the veep is such an irrelevant position.

da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

it hasn't been for our adult life!

goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think you can get away with a show that implies it is within a fantasy administration, with more jokes and a reason to get invested in the characters' dilemmas.

da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

okay okay, i'll get of my hobbyhorse until i see the show

goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's never mattered less what party anyone belongs to.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

'in the loop' drew much of its power from blairite hardasses inescapably seeing what it was they'd muscled into, right?

not sure what you mean

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

essentially comedic characters having to look at war, basically.

goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

some VPs (Cheney) obv more important than others (Quayle)

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

First episode streaming free at hbo.com and probably YouTube btw.

caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

first episode not very funny : (

caek, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just watched and thought it was pretty good though i wonder how it'll work without any truly frightening characters. interesting that the veep herself is the audience proxy and not some chris addison type staffer

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

i didn't think the entire episode of sarah palin, but i have to admit that i occasionally was reminded of palin

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't think that's a problem or anything the show necessarily has to run from.

some dude, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

for sure. i didn't mind it.

Mordy, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

was annoyed at the production designers for not matching the wapo typefaces on the fake style section. Pretty glaringly obvious on screen I'd think even if you aren't familiar with the paper.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

JLD looks great. This has promise and i'll keep watching but i only laughed once at JLD referring to glasses as "wheelchairs for the eyes". the gary character is bound to get super annoying. i know he's supposed to be but still...

jed_, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

"oh look, it's the guy from my left foot"

caek, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

this show rules. between this and Girls i was starting to feel like a criminal so i ordered hbo.

horseshoe, Monday, 30 April 2012 13:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I enjoyed the first episode of this a lot

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 30 April 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

def wanna see this

surm, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

was annoyed at the production designers for not matching the wapo typefaces on the fake style section. Pretty glaringly obvious

Generally, no one in the biz cares about this kind of detail. Even if they actually said "Post."

(maybe there's even some weird un/written rule not to duplicate it)

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 April 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

renewed

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm kind of surprised that I like this as much as I do.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i. do they keep up the 'did the president call?' 'no' 'no' and the 'did you know i have my own flag' bits
ii. do they get funny and how many repetitions does it take for them to get funny

― thomp, Monday, April 23, 2012 10:16 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes
and no, not by the end of the first three episodes at least

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

have not seen this but am suspicious of the choice to make it vague what party anyone belongs to. or is it not vague, upon viewing?

― goole, Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:56 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this annoys the hell out of me

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

first 2 eps strike me as a lil boring? at least v conventional sitcom-y plots/pacing/beats idk i might'ev been hoping this'd be more ambitious

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

i liked the pilot a lot--i think mostly because i love the mike character? but yeah the second one seemed a little aimless. i'm not sure vice-presidents have no real power is enough to hang a show on.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh, i quite enjoyed 'did the president call' in the second episode

i'm interested how they'll work the parties in the third season of 'the thick of it' because it's been quite clear all along which parties they belong to, and if they're doing a coalition govt. with peter mannion as an MP (which i read somewhere or other) they either need to churn their cast massively, or deal mainly with the opposition, or get quite stuck into doing ... actual alternate history

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is US politics more polarised and partisan than in the UK? Maybe AI thought that making the party explicit would stop the show being about politics and start being about the party.

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

theres some widely cited intvw where iannucci said he was glad to have delayed the 3rd season of TTOI because the election happened and he was excited about the prospect of a coalition govt

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeh, kinda rubbing my hands at what he'll do with the coalition, esp. since political communication is a big theme running through the series.

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

What do we make of JLD's costuming? Is it too much to quibble over the fact that I can't imagine a VP wearing a lbd in the middle of the day not to mention when it's supposedly that hot?

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i noticed that. she seems to wear cocktail dresses a lot.

caek, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

they're not really cocktail dresses. more like extremely well-tailored/form-fitting/high-end career-wear.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

how i feel is mostly julia louis-dreyfus looks so great! but surely that wasn't what you were getting at.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

she looks incredible, yes!

caek, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

her wardrobe is not the main problem with the show

caek, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am not denying that she looks fab, I just think the costuming is a little off somehow.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

id like to engage in some presidential vice with her, if you catch my drift

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

theres some widely cited intvw where iannucci said he was glad to have delayed the 3rd season of TTOI because the election happened and he was excited about the prospect of a coalition govt

third series was 2008, coalition one will be 4th

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh whatever

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just think the costuming is a little off somehow.

― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:36 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i know what you mean, but i think it's a character note, like evidence of selina's...vanity is too strong, but self-regard? desire to look good?

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

or it's taking advantage of the fact that julia louis-dreyfus is in the cast

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Autres temps, autres moeurs

I just think black during the day is a little jarring though somewhat less jarring than the closing sequence.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

being as how her primary issue is the environment, and she has a love/hate relationship with big oil, presumably the democratic party is in office.

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i know it's officially not about a party and that is annoying, but since all of the political discussions seems more-or-less based in reality, even if everyone's behaving pettily, i just read it as being about democrats.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

right soooo why not just be like DEMOCRATS

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, but they're going to have to be a little more specific about the politics soon or it's going to get rough. how many eps can they do about incompetently organized photo ops?

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

This show is in thrall to the coffee lobby

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

the thing that seems off is the direction overall. as glaringly obvious as it was, the gastric bug ending still had comic potential that was somehow missed or fudged through bad timing, confused performances, weird camera movements etc.

jed_, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually the actors don't seem to be entirely sure what they're supposed to be doing, alot of the time, which is a combination of the fault of writing and direction, i guess.

jed_, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

It started out funny in the yoghurt place but the pacing of her getting sick and hustled into the limo was too fast to let the joke really settle in.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think the cast are still feeling out how this works (though obviously we don't know what order these were shot in ...)

the gastric bug ending still had comic potential that was somehow missed or fudged through bad timing, confused performances, weird camera movements etc

i think this is kind of the point ... the british show's schtick is that shabby fuckups never make for great comic climaxes but are always just shabby fuckups. ianucci's scripts have a slightly off relationship to sitcom cliché; i'm not convinced this works as well as the thick of it does - but, then, the first series of that show (of which there have been two series, numbered one and three) has an awkward and off feel about the early episodes too. to some degree this evaporates in rewatching -- i feel like knowing the moment of pettiness the first series 'builds' to somehow retrospectively justifies the tenor of it.

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

(thick of it has yet to utter the names of any of the political parties -- but has been way more tied to certain specifics of labour govt. 1997-2007 than this is tied to the american political scene, unless i'm missing all the tells)

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

you're right about that being the point and it's a difficult thing to pull off. it's just not working yet. early days.

jed_, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just think black during the day is a little jarring though somewhat less jarring than the closing sequence.

it wasn't until here that I realized what "lbd" was and was trying to convince myself that no matter how much my mind suggested it, it probably didn't stand for "labial buffing device"

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love that your mind suggests such fancies as 'labial buffing device'.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah it's obviously about the democrats! not weird to me at all that they're not referring to the parties, though, cause it's not about that aspect of politics

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

which aspect is that exactly

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

the tribalistic speeches for public consumption

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

watching this in a double-header with Borgen is kind of head-chafing, FYI

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Labial buffing greatly to be preferred?

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

can't i have both?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Only if you get them in a back massage chair

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

have not seen this but am suspicious of the choice to make it vague what party anyone belongs to. or is it not vague, upon viewing?

― goole, Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:56 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this annoys the hell out of me

― max, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 3:17 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is exactly the same as the thick of it, party affils rendered via types of deportment, wit, affect &c so u see a woman w/ a jewish name and u don't have to think 'republicans can be jewish, too'

Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

second episode rather better, still think POTUS is even more hateful than VEEP but impressed to the degree to which iannucci and friends have cloaked themselves in another flag

Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

i coulda sworn that ttoi used party affiliations! but i guess not

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

it did, very much so.

jed_, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think of it as naming them but that's not what I'm watching it for

the first series of that show (of which there have been two series, numbered one and three)

First series was three eps, second series was 3 eps. I promise you this is how they were made internally, and are sold separately to OS broadcasters by the Beeb.


(Ianucci was given money for one half-hour pilot and managed to turn in two episodes on the budget - they then said "blimey, if you can do a third on whatever change everyone at the table has in their pockets, we'll show them all," and he said "deal.")

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Labial buffing greatly to be preferred?

i keep reading this as a cryptic crossword clue, and i don't even do cryptic crosswords

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 09:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm kind of surprised that I like this as much as I do.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White)

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

loved jld's reaction when she gets a whiff of the white house

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i liked ep 2 but it still feels somehow straitjacketed, not sufficiently unhinged; hoping for more appearances by washpo asshole

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Best episode by far, on par with the great Thick of It episodes.

abcfsk, Monday, 7 May 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

definitely much better!

caek, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 07:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/us/politics/for-a-blunt-biden-an-uneasy-supporting-role.html?hp
this show is informing my understanding of biden in a weird way

(Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think my problem with veep is that there is no drama. if a problem arises, it gets sorted p quickly by the generic white guy or doesnt really matter? which i guess is the joke but it doesn't give me anything to care about.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

"have you ever read faulkner before?"

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well the issues seem to be continuing on.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

This last one was great.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think my problem with veep is that there is no drama. if a problem arises, it gets sorted p quickly by the generic white guy or doesnt really matter? which i guess is the joke but it doesn't give me anything to care about.

― Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:35 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah i thought a big sticking point between the thick of it & this might be that TTOI has such a good handle on the drudgery and texture of day to day british politics, & with this they were just going to use the correct issues as a backdrop. but now there are a couple of things competing it works a little better as a backstory.

thought this was better anyway, too, although some of it's still weirdly leaden, or just generically sit-com-ish. i liked someone saying someone had a face like a guy who'd been stabbed in the groin.

blossom smulch (schlump), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have only just started watching this but I got some lols off the first episode and will def keep watching.

It's like a West Wing about dumb people, lol.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think most of the government issues/storylines in TTOI were as throwaway as the ones here but Malcolm made them seem like they were of insane importance to execute properly. The gimpy White House guy turning up to go "ummm, the first lady is getting a dog, plz dont get one" just doesn't make you care. Instead I was just sitting there, kinda bored. Ok, so she doesn't get a dog. Or she can get one for her daughter and just not have a press conference about it. Woop.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think most of the government issues/storylines in TTOI were as throwaway as the ones here but Malcolm made them seem like they were of insane importance to execute properly

but I think that the kind of throwaway they were was so well-observed - third sector pathfinder initiative, expert-buttressed slapdash policy assemblages, fetishistic plays for an idea of 'coalface' or earthy politics - & i think the veep stuff is more generic: filibuster reform, oil contracts. part of what's amazing and oppressive about the thick of it is the limiting, nihilistic view of policy as something that no-one really understands or is invested in, which is exclusively valuable as ideological bragging ground, & for which there's no correlation between handling and presumably-profound-consequence. it's what makes the office feel like a bubble floating away from everything, which maybe, in veep, the whole white house thing makes less necessary, but which i think veep would be poorer without having an analogue for.

blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 10 May 2012 09:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 13:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a show about nothing

(Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

The closing bit with greetings was excellent. Also, "you're the widow."

s.clover, Friday, 11 May 2012 05:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

sterling, i would fuck the shit outta julia louis dreyfus i wold treat her like a princess
also thank you for asendin me that daily worker

dylannn, Friday, 11 May 2012 08:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

forks i think schlump's post and a hoy hoy's make a very good case that this is NOT a show about nothing (despite its subjects being unmoored from the realities that are supposed to inform their work)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 May 2012 10:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Chris Morris directed a couple of the later episodes - I'm interested to see if they have any kind of stamp on them. The show has such a distinctive look and flow that I can't imagine there's too much variation on the theme, but I like to see him doing stuff, no matter what it is.

Walter Galt, Friday, 11 May 2012 10:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah that's encouraging, i think. i thought a lot of four lions was kinda perfunctory but his tone is always interesting

blossom smulch (schlump), Friday, 11 May 2012 10:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

tracer: seinfeld ref

(Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 May 2012 11:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

right i got that

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 May 2012 13:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

was 'the new adventures of old christine' any good

thomp, Friday, 11 May 2012 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

/ what else has julis louise dreyfus been doing for the past decade

"There were two incarnations of Watching Ellie, neither of which met with any success. Both focused on the character of cabaret singer Ellie Riggs (Louis-Dreyfus), with markedly different approaches.
The first was directed by Ken Kwapis, known for his innovative work in single-camera sitcoms such as The Larry Sanders Show, Malcolm in the Middle and The Bernie Mac Show. Each 22-minute episode was meant to portray a 22-minute slice of Ellie's life, in real time. In the earliest episodes, a clock was even shown in the corner of the screen. Thirteen episodes were filmed but only ten aired before the series was put on indefinite hiatus (the remaining first-season episodes have never aired). During its use, the clock had the unfortunate effect of reminding the audience that a half-hour situation comedy only contained twenty-two minutes of content."

thomp, Friday, 11 May 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

nobody in this show knows how to use email

raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 05:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

but I guess if the White House used email instead of Jonah the show would be less funny, email isn't funny

raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 05:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey theres this extreme metal band playing over at labyrinths tonight just real fucked up noise they dont even have a name you wanna check it out

johnny crunch, Monday, 21 May 2012 23:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

The show's come together nicely, I think.

Simon H., Monday, 21 May 2012 23:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

has gotten better & better 4 real

johnny crunch, Monday, 21 May 2012 23:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

jonah at the show!!!

horseshoe, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

"That's like using a croissant as a fucking dildo."

"You've just turned this office into a salad spinner of Fuck!"

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

full of ttoi rehashes at this point

Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

enjoyed purcell the oil guy, nice to have some invective amid the repartee

Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

gig was an itl rehash, not a ttoi, but who cares bcz it was lol

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

there were like half a dozen refashioned ttoi lines this week alone, inc one quoted itt

Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

except for first three-ep series, I've only seen TTOI eps once each so don't feel burnt out on small lines. (they're generally less effective here though, to be sure.)

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

has gotten better & better 4 real

― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:59 (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. the croissant line & follow up was amazing.
i still think it's a slightly weird assemblage - like the kinda breathy assistant guy. but it's good. i hope the tall guy with the imaginary dog drifts in a sorta glenn-in-the-thick-of-it direction, all pitifully obsolete.

blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 24 May 2012 13:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like the extensive explanation jokes like the croissant, the anti-viagra, etc

jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

get some nuts. i'm sweating all my minerals into my shorts here.

caek, Friday, 25 May 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

hundreds of pictures of herons catching fish

"Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Monday, 28 May 2012 05:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

^

this show is good but i wish it were not quite so sitcommy. looking at you, anna chlumsky and guy that plays gary

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Total POTAL meltdown

kinder, Monday, 4 June 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

^

this show is good but i wish it were not quite so sitcommy. looking at you, anna chlumsky and guy that plays gary

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2012 22:49 (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah. i like anna chlumsky a lot though. i wish selena was sketched out a little more; like she's so good in certain moods - like being mad, or being conniving, that it feels kinda weak to just have her always on the back foot, as like a default mode.

blossom smulch (schlump), Monday, 4 June 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

"guy that plays Gary" is Tony Hale, better known as Buster Bluth. Jonah is my favorite character. His housemates in this ep were amazing. Six guys in white shirts on their phones at once.

"Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Monday, 4 June 2012 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is impressive

too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 00:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

good finale

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 00:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Where have I seen the congressman's (very funny) aide before?

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 June 2012 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

IT guy on The Office?

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 02:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

last ep was tremendous!! everything i didn't like about earlier episodes suddenly seemed to work

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 16 June 2012 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Twitter exchange between Ianucci and Alasdair Campbell about his OBE brought the lols.

Desire is withered away from the sons of men! (aldo), Saturday, 16 June 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

all the deleted scenes

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7F30C892CF01C672&feature=plcp

caek, Saturday, 16 June 2012 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

this gets better yeah? that first one was poo

DG, Monday, 25 June 2012 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's hard at first because of the natural comparisons w/the thick of it, but after i'd say ep 3 or 4 i was looking forward to the next episodes. and the finale was thumping

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 25 June 2012 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked the first one more than many in the middle, but there are several better ones

the hat's filthy lesson (sic), Monday, 25 June 2012 23:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

are you likely to enjoy the characters more with the accretion of detail and establishment of running gags, or hate them now and will hate seeing more of them?

the hat's filthy lesson (sic), Monday, 25 June 2012 23:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

the first one is one of the weaker ones, so stick with it, but don't expect the thick of it

caek, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 06:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's what i was expecting :(

DG, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 10:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

amazing series, more watchable that TTOI because of JLD. just feels slicker and better-written too. first one or two eps not amazing but by e5 i was in awe

NI, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's slicker partly because it's not as well written, but it's still very good by the end of the season

dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am open to there being cultural differences in how satire translates on each side of the ocean, but that the writing of TTOI is superior seems beyond doubt, to me - veep, which is good!, still pretty regularly incorporated sitcommish zings and ad-homs, a bunch of which fell flat. its successes were more-good-original-swearing, &c. but the thick of it's so multi-layered & plays with conversational & power dynamics so powerfully. it fabricates all of these benign policy nooses that hang the characters, & some of the conclusions - like i am remembering malcolm promising to come up with an appropriate expert to corroborate the new argument of a flip-flop - seem so poignant & OTM wrt how things are now. malcolm's slow turn in the first scene of the first ep still kills me:

blossom smulch (schlump), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

gonna have to rewatch ttoi to see how it compares but as a *comedy series* (not a political satire) i felt veep was a few steps beyond ttoi. just had so much swagger and confidence, seems to be a product of a proper writing team rather than one or two minds (not sure if the creation of either worked in this way but it definitely felt like that. plus julia ld far more charismatic and watchable and inherently funny than any of the ttoi blokes

NI, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

full disclosure: the pompous unfunny shite chris addison spews on twitter has marred ttoi for me bigtime

NI, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Does it improve after the first episode? Because that was a horrible opener. (i'm talking about Veep btw, TToI was gold from the start)

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 08:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thought the opener was great, feels like a lot of people who say later episodes improved a lot just found it jarring to adjust to a half hour americanized Iannuci thing but then got to know the characters and liked them. In my opinion it stays good. But sticking with it you may find it grows on you, and there are better episodes later on.

abcfsk, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 08:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watched the first episode last night and enjoyed it, I like Anna Chlumsky's character and the obnoxious Jonah guy, not so sure about JLD. It feels very obviously an Ianucci creation and the potential's definitely there, but it's very obviously missing a Malcolm Tucker character (although maybe it wouldn't work in the US).

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 08:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Think the first episode maybe suffered for lack of a proper crisis, those were very minor fires to have to put out.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 08:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

'those were very minor fires to have to put out.'

That was the problem. Were we supposed to care about the incorrectly-signed card? Jeeze.

Also, yo, just because you add an unexpected 'fuck' to words/phrases doesn't mean its suddenly hilarious.

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 08:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wasn't completely sold on it (have only seen ep 1), but comparisons to TTOI were bound to affect my perspective. I think if it had come without the baggage I might have enjoyed it more.

ailsa, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 09:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

my problem was not ttoi, my problem was quality/frequency of lols

caek, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 10:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wasn't that taken with the first one, but it really hits its stride around ep 4 or 5.

Desire is withered away from the sons of men! (aldo), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeh, stick with it, it gets a lot better. I found myself gradually feeling warmer towards it and by the last 2 or 3 episodes I was anticipating the next one.

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Thursday, 28 June 2012 07:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Agreed, I wasn't completely sold to begin with but it keeps getting better, and the last two episodes are pure gold. Ep 7, directed by Chris Morris, is jaw-droppingly good - and dark.

Crackity Jones, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

this is back now.

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 04:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

first ep was gold, Morris is great for this show

Addison doing the next few? should help bring the nervous vibe

Devendra Bumhat (sic), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 05:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, really poisonous first ep

gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 06:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

dan bakkedahl is so good

i wasn't convinced that mr midnight caller's touted credentials as a cold-blooded operative were actually valid, though? he seemed sort of relaxed and then he got hit in the face with some lipstick and crawled away

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 April 2013 00:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

that was shit

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, 18 April 2013 01:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

someone actually wrote 'idontgiveafuckistan'

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, 18 April 2013 01:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

nah it was p good. ppl say dumb shit like that

johnny crunch, Thursday, 18 April 2013 01:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is way more realistic than House of Cards

HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Thursday, 18 April 2013 02:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

:D

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 19 April 2013 07:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Probably the best ep yet; surprising depth this go round.

brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 April 2013 04:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

some great lines. the "you timed that metaphor out for that shitty ding" thing. the "tiny hands" gag.

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Monday, 29 April 2013 04:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

"better than my shitty legs. i hate my legs."

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Monday, 29 April 2013 05:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

So glad this is getting another season. Hitting its stride.

Popture, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's pretty decent, but i'm even more glad that this introduced me to "the thick of it." what an amazing show

chilli, Thursday, 2 May 2013 01:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

it makes me laugh like once an episode, and those are always lines that feel like they were written for the thick of it ('i would rather set fire to my vulva', 'rubber idiots', etc.). i mean i'll keep watching and it's been held to an unfair standard, but it's not very funny and i've got a horrible feeling they're going to Make A Point about something at the end of this season with these multi-episode plots they keep touching on.

caek, Thursday, 2 May 2013 08:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Multi-episode plots last season as well.

Feel this is basically as good as most TTOI at this point. And I don't see why people still claim it's copy paste. Especially in season 2, with the old characters settled and unique and new ones not having TTOI counterparts at all. The arsenal is pretty robust at this point, someone like Sue on the side holds up as an episode lead.

abcfsk, Thursday, 2 May 2013 09:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Thick of It is obv next level, but I'm laughing far harder at this series of Veep than the last. So many nice little moments in E3; the "robust" farce set-up, "procrasturbate", and a touching ending as the responsibilities of office intrude upon the career politician, which didn't happen at all last season (I may have forgotten that tho)

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Thursday, 2 May 2013 09:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah it's the combination of multi episode stuff and the attempt at a touching ending this week that makes me nervous

caek, Thursday, 2 May 2013 09:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also my complaint is not that it's like/not like ttoi. My complaint is that it's nowhere near as good.

caek, Thursday, 2 May 2013 09:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

do i need to know anything about british politics to get into The Thick Of It

turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 2 May 2013 09:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

No

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 May 2013 09:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not really. Political shananigans cross the atlantic quite well. My grasp of US politics is a bit shaky but I've no trouble with Veep. The pop culture references might be more problematic tbh, tho maybe they're not quite as parochial as I remember.

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Thursday, 2 May 2013 09:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

you'll be fine h4a, check it out

caek, Thursday, 2 May 2013 10:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

i dig veep. its not Hilarious but i get some chuckles out of it and i like the actors and im just into the general vibe

turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 2 May 2013 10:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

liked the first season, but it definitely feels like this season stepped up a bit, really great right now.

i was on the set for a couple hours a few months ago, worked on a psa w/ J L-D, was really cool to see random cast members walking around and see the sets -- it really looks like they're in cramped old government buildings on the show but it's all these huge sets in a giant warehouse in columbia, maryland.

love bullets featuring skylar grey (some dude), Thursday, 2 May 2013 12:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

jld elevates this into something far superior to ttoi imo

NI, Thursday, 2 May 2013 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

interesting that chris morris and chris addison directed the first 2 eps but barely seemed different to the rest, in tone, etc. (thankfully as addison has shown himself to be grimly unfunny outside of ttoi)

NI, Thursday, 2 May 2013 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't think he's terrible in mock the week. but yeah ianucci's group seem pretty good at sticking to a consistant house style

chilli, Friday, 3 May 2013 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

not seen him in that but his twitter account is a hive of smug 6th form bants

NI, Friday, 3 May 2013 14:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

so like his ttoi character?

abcfsk, Friday, 3 May 2013 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

jld elevates this into something far superior to ttoi imo

― NI, Thursday, May 2, 2013 3:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nuh uh. langham & capaldi operate in such singular territory, i think jld's really good but i don't think she's doing something so novel or engrossing as to beat out ttoi. i think i said stuff upthread about the specifity of that show trumping veep's broad-brush stuff, but yeah this season is so much better, ep 2 in partic.

daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Friday, 3 May 2013 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

so like his ttoi character?

yeah imagine that guy but one who isn't saying words written for him by the best comedy brains britain has to offer. and without a malcolm to brutalise him for his obnoxiousness. not quite as good huh

NI, Friday, 3 May 2013 23:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

and yeah i get that ttoi is v novel and singular and all that but i simply don't find it as watchable, amusing or as engaging as veep. v rare i'd say that about any uk>us comedy but like i said, largely because jld plays that role so well, and her character is so well-written - maybe more cartoonlike than any of the brits but hey.

btw that's not to diss, ttoi's great but i found myself agreeing with a lot of the stuff in this article: http://richardhcooper.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/how-to-write-thick-of-it.html
(esp re final series)

NI, Saturday, 4 May 2013 00:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think that article is pretty offtm. Most of all because the dialogue is improvised with the actors, so it's really not describing how to write it... Also, the examples he creates are really not that fun. It mainly made me think that ttoi had to do something right, since it's dialogue is so much better than when other people try it.

Frederik B, Saturday, 4 May 2013 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

ttoi is not improvised. it's like the most tightly scripted, printed-script-revering thing on tv. they just improvise the lines that don't matter to give it a looser feel.

caek, Saturday, 4 May 2013 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

right

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Saturday, 4 May 2013 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

they even published the scripts from the early episodes

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Saturday, 4 May 2013 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

come on though, the swears became as hackneyed as 'rock on tommy' by the end

NI, Sunday, 5 May 2013 00:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

i swear i will rip your tongue off and shove up your arse so far it comes out of both ears so you can hear me calling you a bellend in stereo you mum-sucking sewer-drinking numpty blah blah blah

NI, Sunday, 5 May 2013 00:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

it sounds like you just didn't really like ttoi?

caek, Sunday, 5 May 2013 00:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

"i just had to sign a 2 year lease on a nissan cube"

johnny crunch, Monday, 6 May 2013 03:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

"it actually comes out as the number two."

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Monday, 13 May 2013 04:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

<3 dave foley

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Monday, 13 May 2013 04:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm giving up on this :-(

caek, Sunday, 19 May 2013 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

really! i think it's improved greatly this season!

klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 May 2013 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

why did the midnight caller ask for mike again? he wanted him so much that he basically bribed VPOTUS. why??

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 May 2013 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

ohhh to get rid of jolly green jizzface perhaps

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 May 2013 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

sometimes you just have to write it down and then you know

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 May 2013 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's got more ambitious this season i suppose. it's still not gotten funny imo.

caek, Sunday, 19 May 2013 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

i love it

Mordy , Sunday, 19 May 2013 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

xxposts -- common interest in boating i thought made him think of mike as someone appealing to work with.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Monday, 20 May 2013 05:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Anyone else notice how ramped-up Jonah's douchiness was in the last one? Thought it was great.

yuoowemeone, Friday, 24 May 2013 07:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

theres the uh bluff puff which we're gonna start off with youre her friend you went to high school together you guys like each other then we switch right over to rough puff

johnny crunch, Monday, 10 June 2013 22:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

i thought this was one of the better eps.

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 23:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

little more than a month away from returning, very excited

anonanon, Friday, 28 February 2014 20:32 (6 months ago) Permalink

with some other good stuff starting as well it is that time of year when the tv emits a sweeter light than those first rays of spring sunshine.

xelab, Friday, 28 February 2014 20:44 (6 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

silicon valley episode was amazing

Roz, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 15:12 (4 months ago) Permalink

It's been a great season so far.

sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 15:44 (4 months ago) Permalink

yeah keeps getting better. I worry that they might be overusing Jonah though. He was a lot funnier as the obnoxious DC insider prick than the walking punching bag he is now.

Roz, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:07 (4 months ago) Permalink

"I have to go to the bathroom - do they have a bathroom here or do they put their turds up in the cloud?"

Roz, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:07 (4 months ago) Permalink

The last 2 ep's have been so savagely funny!

xelab, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:24 (4 months ago) Permalink

Jonah is the Chang of this show and he is following a Chang-like trajectory

anonanon, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:15 (4 months ago) Permalink

i dont even know what that means but it cant be good

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 00:39 (4 months ago) Permalink

He starts off as the external antagonist vested with undeserved authority/power over the core group, uniting them in their shared antipathy for him, but the show strips him of that authority and decides to reduce him to an erratic outlandish caricature who still sort of flits around the edges of the show but with less purpose and in a less interesting way.

I was happy when it looked like his site was going to be bought out because I thought they were re-establishing him as a thorn in the team's side in a new context, but it turned out to be just another set-up for him to fall on his face. But who knows maybe next episode he'll join up with the oil lobby and become Sidney Purcell's protege.

anonanon, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 01:00 (4 months ago) Permalink

who was Chang?

akm, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 06:55 (4 months ago) Permalink

a character in TV sitcom Community

Gritty Shakur (sic), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 08:17 (4 months ago) Permalink

still is, at time of press

Gritty Shakur (sic), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 08:17 (4 months ago) Permalink

oh man, that seems about right. They need to get Jonah back into the white house. Or on Gov Chung's campaign team.

anyway, this show doesn't get enough credit for how much plot it manages to pack into half an hour. This episode alone had anti-fracking mom, Selina and Craig (Craaaaaaiiiig...) at Clovis, the Amy/Melissa/Kent thing, the Gov Chung torture story (Dan doesn't even realise that Ben did the same thing to him as he did to Jonah), the subplot where everyone thinks Gary is gay, SMARCH, Meet/Meat/Meating Meyer and they still have time for throwaway gags like the Ron Jeremy/Jeremy Irons confusion.

Roz, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 09:43 (4 months ago) Permalink

I'd say season 3 has been as good as peak ITTOI.

abcfsk, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 09:56 (4 months ago) Permalink

Dan doesn't even realise that Ben did the same thing to him as he did to Jonah

this was beautiful, especially as Ben didn't even try to hide it

Gritty Shakur (sic), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 13:46 (4 months ago) Permalink

xps

OTM about Veep's dense plotting/writing, makes it extremely re-watchable and often better on repeat viewings. Also some great lines aren't even in the episodes but in deleted scenes, e.g. Mike response to Leon West question about when Selena knew a hitchhiker was a spy.

anonanon, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 20:15 (4 months ago) Permalink

"post-tax"

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Thursday, 1 May 2014 00:21 (4 months ago) Permalink

New episode is masterclass stuff.

abcfsk, Monday, 5 May 2014 09:05 (4 months ago) Permalink

some say three microwaves is overkill, my response is always ~tapas~

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 01:21 (4 months ago) Permalink

admit it, we're all a little bit Ray-curious.

Roz, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:13 (4 months ago) Permalink

"cancel search siri"

johnny crunch, Saturday, 24 May 2014 15:41 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

tony hale/jld laughing fit bathroom scene is so good

this season >>

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 16:46 (3 months ago) Permalink

yeah, great wind up

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 16:49 (3 months ago) Permalink

shd i be watching this? p4reene seems to like it.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 17:24 (3 months ago) Permalink

i think it's some of the best teevee on teevee

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 17:31 (3 months ago) Permalink

easy enough, if you liked in the loop, you'll like this too

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 17:38 (3 months ago) Permalink

figured a show where all politicians are awful, self-obsessed, disingenuous prats would be total morbs bait

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 19:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

tony hale/jld laughing fit bathroom scene is so good

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 22 June 2014 09:23 (2 months ago) Permalink

Jonad lives

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charles-johnson-thad-cochran-mississippi

It was the latest twist in the rancorous, messy feud enveloping the Mississippi GOP — and Johnson was right in the middle of it. He followed up the story, which was published on his own website, gotnews, with an avalanche of defiant tweets.

"You establishment hacks do know that I've been threatened with lawsuits, death threats before, right?" he wrote in one. "I planned on this."

He took on former Mitt Romney adviser Stuart Stevens, who mocked the bribery allegations and referred to Johnson as a "fringe" blogger. Johnson said Stevens had "praised" him in the past and threatened to publish private direct messages between the two.

All the while, Johnson engaged in relentless self-promotion. He bragged that his story had been picked up by the likes of Fox News, Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh (although he lamented that Sean Hannity didn't cite him by name.) And he used the spotlight to give attention to his efforts to raise money for his "awesome projects."

"Oh I know this annoys people but send me some research money. Because I am kicking ass," Johnson wrote in another tweet, providing a link to his page at gofundme.com where supporters can donate money to his cause.

anonanon, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 18:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

hahaha okay that is uncanny

Roz, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:16 (2 months ago) Permalink


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