jon snow dies
― diamonddave85, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm wondering if the end of S02E02 is possibly going to kickstart the mutiny at craster's keep early. i can't really see craster being friendly to the crows after catching jon snow spying on his secret
― diamonddave85, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am pretty sure Jon is going to end up inside of his wolf
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
ew
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh hey so this thread exists
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm going to read this thread even tho I haven't read the books because I am total badass
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
someone remind me how the craster stuff went down in the books. the mutiny happened in book 3 on their way back, right?
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes, things were pretty tense after slogging through the snow for months and getting attacked by zombies
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:29 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark
robb dies, catelyn dies and becomes a zombie, arya goes blind, tyrion kills his father tywin and flees westeros, jaime gets his hand chopped off, joffrey dies, sansa marries tyrion, renly dies, jon snow dies, dany gets diarrhea *drops mic*
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
you forgot Bran becomes a tree
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jon is inside a wolf
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol its cool i dont know most of the characters names anyway
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jon is Inside a Wolf Inside a Turkey. He's a Jowokey.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
There's an interesting thread on the Westeros forum (where obsessives pour over the books for clues endlessly) that attempts to list out where each and every character is at the end of Dance With Dragons. It is a very long list and went a long way toward convincing me that these books will never get any kind of resolution.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
also forgot: Arya gets her sight back, along with a new face
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not sure if Jon is going to be inside the wolf or brought back to life by the red queen. Either would work, though the first would be more interesting.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
if they do the whole showdown at Craster's now, it would be a pretty huge departure. That's skipping forward like a thousand pages.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:35 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
i feel like the longer the show goes on, the more it's going to create its own universe with all those little departures adding up into something bigger. but i dont really care because im honestly not that into the show, i just want the next book. hurry up george!!!!
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
the show needs its own universe because it can't really sustain all of the plot threads of the book
basically I think if they keep focused on Dany and Tyrion (with Bran and Arya as the main subplots), they can reshuffle/redo most everything else and get away with it
they absolutely need a Red Wedding analogue though; the culling of competing kings is a pretty important piece of the overall series no matter what form it takes
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
they need the red wedding, period, it's by far the most badass moment in teh whole series
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
i love how there's so much dready build up to it but u never actually think he'll do THAT
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
/how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that/I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens
5real
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
It'll probably be even more shocking in the show since Rob is already a bigger character than he was in the books
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
booming post canks, that'll keep the riffraff out
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
what book does the red wedding take place in
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
storm of swords
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
man wait u forgot ppl out skydoors
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
what did max reveal on the other thread?? was it melisandre getting 'pregnant'? because i so nearly wrote that.
i will repeat from elsewhere, no way jon is dead.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
no one is dead
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
well, Robb is dead
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
never clicking again
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
also, one departure i would like to suggest is gilly gets killed immediately so that terrible woman isn't on my tv anymore
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
aw, what did Kristin Wiig ever do to you
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is not the thread you want to open having noticed only that it has "GAME OF THRONES" in the title
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
So it's been renewed for season three, which means that now the show has to untangle books three and four, which will be a tough gig.
My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
they cut his head off and replaced it with his wolfs
― Lamp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yep, S2 finale
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
Interesting to see how they're breaking this down
201: The North RemembersWritten by David Benioff & D.B Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 1 April 2012
202: The Night LandsWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 8 April 2012
203: What is Dead May Never DieWritten by Bryan Cogman, directed by Alik SakharovAirdate: 15 April 2012
204: Garden of BonesWritten by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David PetrarcaAirdate: 22 April 2012
205: The Ghost of HarrenhalWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Petrarca Airdate: 29 April 2012
206: The Old Gods and the NewWritten by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David NutterAirdate: 6 May 2012
207: A Man Without HonorWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Nutter Airdate: 13 May 2012
208: The Prince of WinterfellWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 20 May 2012
209: BlackwaterWritten by George R.R. Martin, directed by Neil Marshall Airdate: 27 May 2012
210: Valar MorghulisWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 3 June 2012
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Probably going to be Stannis and Mel re-enacting it on the Dragonstone table with the action figures, post-coitus.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 05:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I wonder if they're still going to have Tyrion get his nose cut off etc.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 08:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
They'll probably just give him an interesting scar instead.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
grrm dropped too many hints about jon snow actually being lyanna stark's son to just kill him off without having the Big Reveal about that. he'll surely be back
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
kind of like how ppl had a hard time seeing HBO kill of poster boy Sean Bean?
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
No, not really
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
they already made a concession by not having him be ugly from the start. They might give him a nasty scar but i doubt they'll go all the way with it.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
did you know peter dinklage was in that one episode of 30 rock? tina fey mistakes him for a child but then starts dating him to cover up for it
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
SHUT IT DOWN.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm betting on inside the wolf first, for a few chapters, then Mels does some red magic, pulling him out of wolf and into his former body. He'll def be in the wolf at least for a while; there was way too much attention paid to that boar thing, as if to get us thinking abt it.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Cosign but add Boltons pere et fils, I'll feel mega robbed if there are not ample scenes of their creepiness. Also, no Reek no credibility.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
pretty sure roose bolton is cast for this season
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
He's being played by Michael McElhatton.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
My wife is convinced the Reeds will be left out of the show, with the domesticated wildling chick hitting their notes. Thoughts?
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hope not.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
perhaps, though book-wise, Howland Reed is the only one left alive who knows a bunch of secret stuff that Ned otherwise took to the grave
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think the one big story change they should consider for the show is somehow getting Dany to Westeros earlier. there's no crucial plot reason i can think of for her to chill in the east for 2 more books after she frees Mereen and has an army, other than the dragons growing which can just be sped up
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya get rid of that shit
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
like her only real cool scene for a long stretch of the books is the chapter where she 'trades' the dragon for the slave army and then torches the slavemaster guy
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Agreed. In fact, the thing that really perplexes me abt the books is how long he has delayed what one has to assume are the two key 'ice' and 'fire' events (Dany enters Westeros w/dragons, Winter finally comes w/white walkers crossing the wall).
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
he doesn't really know what to do with the dragons, basically
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
If he did not start the fkin series without a p solid idea of where he was ultimately headed with the dragons and the white walkers, I pity him.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
*with* not without, sorry
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
people seem to think dany, tyrion, and jon are gonna be the 3 dragon riders (this theory also assumes that jon is lyanna stark's son and that she died in childbirth like tyrion and dany's mothers. not sure how this is relevant but people like patterns i guess?)
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
that also requires Tyrion to be a Targaryen. I know there are theories but that would be kind of annoying
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah if tyrion ends up being a targaryen or a dragon rider im giving up
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought Snow was the son of Ned
― brownie, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh god brownie dont embarrass yourself
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
what will GRR Martin come up with next i ask you
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
now i hope the show completely abandons the books i want new content and grrm is not providing it
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's definitely a snow secret, the whole thing is ned brought him back from the wars and refused to talk about it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe he's the son of an actual snowman
the jon-is-lyanna's-son thing is so tedious, grrm retroactively erasing from the record one of the few times a character had > 1 trait
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
grrm retroactively erasing from the record one of the few times a character had > 1 trait
I think even the first book leaves big hints that Jon is not Ned's son, so I don't think it's retroactive.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, i think that's one thing he was sure of all along
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
yr probably right but i much prefer the idea of ned coming back from the war and going "YES this is MY SON that i had via HAVING SEX with SOMEONE ELSE, deal with it", seems much more grim and northern
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i either missed this or blotted it out of my mind because I can't bear the thought of lovely lysanna having a bastard.
*throws self in front of whitewalker*
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
ban brownie
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
i shall take my leave to Basilisk Point if anyone should enquire about my whereabouts
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's also completely, totally out of character for Ned "I am a blinding idiot when it comes to matters of honor" Stark, particularly when as far as I can remember he pretty much never acts like there's anything shameful or dishonorable about Jon's existence, even when Cat goes off on him in book 1.
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, but the reason he acts that way is that it is a carapace he has developed to cover the shame and guilt he feels over his bastard son
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
at least that is the case in my fanfic, a song of scones and lager
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
A Song Of Neeps And Olives
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
ned is a one dimensional patsy, intended to parody the type of fantasy mainstay he represents, thrust into the sacrificial fire as his creator incants 'SEE this is what would REALLY happen to a stubbornly honourable hero type", when all the while the creator merely parodies himself for attempting to attire fantasy in the velvet pant suit of reality
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
okay I don't know about you but velvet pant suits have nothing to do with my reality
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Then you haven't lived.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
velvet pant suits are as smooth as arbor gold
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I had to give up velvet pant suits because I kept dropping my olives on them and the oil leaves funky stains.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
srsly five books in and no one has even rode a dragon yet smh
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
you're an odd one
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just feel like, how much story time is even going to take place "in Winter" in the remaining 2200 pgs? Unless he does a time jump, which would be unlike him at this point.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
he must have used "ride the dragon" as a euphemism by now though.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
also there was hella dragon riding in A Dance of Dragons
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
serious coffee out my nose moment
― one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:47 (Yesterday) Permalinkit's quite shocking alright but probably cos it was so built up by everyone I know who had read them, I wasn't really appalled. The scene in that book that had me gasping & clutching the pearls was Oberyn's death.
re: dragon riders - I heard Jon, Dany & Bran.
― gyac, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't remember where they left this in the books, but...the hound's not really dead, right? he's with that guy who can't die and cat stark etc right?
― humba (NZA), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
also you guys i was thinking about it and if there's really one villain that will probably end up having been the worst of the many villainous villains on this show...it's varis right?
― humba (NZA), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:33 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
yes they have, get the hell out nub
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
nah, Varys is the only real hero of the piece
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
i would call sam a hero
― humba (NZA), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
eventually
I like Varys. Ramsey Bolton seems the most horrible to me.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think the dead mountain that rides who lurks in the basement of the red keep is a big enemy
― fka snush (remy bean), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i was gonna say they could just cut out dorne completely but then you lose the Mountain vs Viper fight which is one of the top 5 moments in the series imo. i'd rather have that than the red wedding if i had to choose
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
same
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
i really like the dorne stuff
― Lamp, Thursday, 12 April 2012 00:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya dorne stuff is great, really like doran martell and his whole thing with ariane where she accuses him of being useless & never making any choices or acting up or whatevs and then he takes her aside and tells her the truth, that he's actually been plotting all the while to get dorne & targaryens on that iron throne. sadly, fucking quentyn is useless as hell and fucks it up.
― Jibe, Thursday, 12 April 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
that was a real bummer
― Number None, Thursday, 12 April 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Isn't Oberyn one of the characters they're casting for the upcoming, confirmed third season?
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Thursday, 12 April 2012 04:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
He's alive, but not kicking it with d00d who can't die (i.e. Beric Dondarrion), who incidentally is dead. (He gave up his living spark to reanimate UnCat.) Instead, the Hound is chilling on a monkish isle as an unspeaking initiate that I believe Bran and the Reeds visit.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Thursday, 12 April 2012 04:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
the hound is dead though iirc. isn't that what the top guy on that monkish isle said? that he'd buried sandor clegane. or did i miss something? also, it's not bran & the reeds ho visit that island, its brienne & that septon & dog & randall tarly's man whose name i cant remember.
― Jibe, Thursday, 12 April 2012 05:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
its really pointless but for some reason i really like dog !
― Jibe, Thursday, 12 April 2012 05:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought sandor was specifically dead but i guess i miss a lot of stuff
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 12 April 2012 05:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
the hound is dead though iirc. isn't that what the top guy on that monkish isle said? that he'd buried sandor clegane. or did i miss something?
thats one of the points of 'evidence' for him being alive - the monkbro specifically says that he buried the hound, leaving us to imagine that sandor clegane is alive but is no longer the hound
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 12 April 2012 05:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah it's very "i BURIED him do you see BURIED. 'buried'"
― thomp, Thursday, 12 April 2012 07:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
The scene in that book that had me gasping & clutching the pearls was Oberyn's death.
Oh jesus, quite true. I forgot about that scene. If there is a 'scene which effortlessly sums up ASOIAF' it's probably that one. I still cringe when I think of it.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 April 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, the red wedding was big and splashy and but the mountain/viper was just so intense
― max, Thursday, 12 April 2012 15:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Gubke's post about exiled houses on the spoiler-free thread is a spoiler, I think. Don't want to mention it in the thread but maybe it should be deleted by a nice mod?
― polyphonic, Monday, 23 April 2012 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
So... being careful not to spoil... in the books, Arya becomes Roose Bolton's cup-bearer at Harrenhal, not Tywin's, correct? This is a BIG change from the book and I'm not sure where they'll head with it...
― til the sound of my voice will haint u (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:26 PM (21 minutes ago)
is it a material change tho? i expect arya's story will play out the same. i am sure the change is just streamlining.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought in the book, Tywin is there for a while, then rides out and Roose Bolton shows up after that and takes over? please tell me if i'm wrong
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I imagine any changes like that are just to get full value from their actors (see also Shae becoming Sansa's chambermaid). Presumably Roose is still going to turn up at Harrenhall
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp that is my recollection. tywin heads south
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah Roose at Harrenhal is what he was spoiling w/ that post is what i meant
Shae/Sansa thing was in the book too, it was just mentioned in passing instead of being given a scene
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, wasn't the point kind of that despite Harrenhall changing hands from Lanisters to Starks, Arya was shocked to find that the conditions didn't really improve.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think he was there but he was "offscreen" so to speak
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
they are obviously compressing/speeding up arya's storyline, and there is no reason why she can't gtfo while tywin is around instead of later.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i guess the question is whether they want to establish roose bolton as a character soundly enough to make him switching sides a big twist
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
since in the books that's the only bit where he's ever onscreen really
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
How the hell do they even pay all the actors for this show? The finances must be labyrinthine
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess all the riverlands outlaws and such are the easiest thing to trim for the show, i've read the books twice and i still can't remember who's who and they're all very minor characters that could be replaced with random one-shot appearances where they matter (e.g. jaime's hand)
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess I am wrong to assume that Tywin at Harrenhal now = no Roose at Harrenhal later. Making what I said a possible spoiler... sorry.
On further reflection they really HAVE to establish Bolton at Harrenhal unless they want to throw out a ton of good ish.
― til the sound of my voice will haint u (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
roose at harrenhal is too important to write out, even if they don't actually give it any screen time. but yeah, as a character he does require fleshing out (PUN INTENDED) and if not now, when?
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
on another note entirely, with the way they are really going to town with joffrey, how disappointed are newb viewers going to be with a. how long it takes until he dies (he has to be around all of this season and most of next, surely) and b. the relatively unsatisfying way it goes down? or will the show change both/either?
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, my memory is that it's pretty satisying? He dies quite horribly iirc. I agree they may be peaking out his evil levels a bit early though.
― til the sound of my voice will haint u (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
dying at yr own wedding feast is pretty good imo, don't think they need to change it. they could probably push it up a bit, i suspect they're gonna bleed into book 3 at the end of this season to get a headstart on it
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
well, there is so much else going on around his death. it isn't the one big, triumphant catharsis that ppl are probably expecting.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
it isn't the one big, triumphant catharsis that ppl are probably expecting.
Series motto, pretty much.
― til the sound of my voice will haint u (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I nominate "everyone you love will suffer terribly and die horribly. everyone else too tbh."
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
How about "always avoid wedding celebrations"?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
I used to think that way, but now I'm just "ANOTHER PLACE?" and I kind of wish all the characters would hang out in Central Perk and just hash it out over a cup of java.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:27 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Love this comment. Someone is in for major disappointment. If there's one thing I can say about this series, it really frustrates any expectations of character A finally meeting character B.
― Moodles, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Danerys' storyline is going to drive tv watchers crazy
― Number None, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i was talking about that upthread and how if they really have license to make big changes to the plot, they should just cut out everything in her story after Mereen and just send her straight to Westeros after that. the first time i read the books, her chapters were just so disengaged from the exciting stuff happening in Westeros that i found them really boring even when there was some action
― ciderpress, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
like, she could chill in Dorne secretly until the rest of the plot stuff is set up for her appearance in (presumably) book 6, and that would give a better reason to shoehorn in the Dorne stuff from book 4
― ciderpress, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
you are making a lot of assumptions about her going to Westeros in future books, maybe she'll just chill out in Mereen some more
― Moodles, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
It'd be relatively easy for them to accelerate events if the books were already finished but seeing as they're not i'm not sure what they can do. I mean Daenerys secretly turning up in Dorne would require a fairly massive plot reshuffle
― Number None, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't care how they treat Joff's wedding as long as they bring in Lady Olenna. QUEEN OF THORNS LAYING THE LAW, MORE LIKE QUEEN OF THRONES AMIRITE?
― Dudeleee, let's make coffee our bitch (Leee), Friday, 27 April 2012 05:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp that was just an example, the point is that nothing that happens in her story between the dragons hatching and the end of book 5 seems particularly important, except for her getting an army when she frees Mereen, and the dragons growing which happens regardless of whether she's onscreen or not
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Congrats to Davos, who got a huge promotion.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Monday, 30 April 2012 05:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:41 PM (3 weeks ago)
i feel like this is happening? shouldn't the reed kids have turned up and been established before theon comes back, which seems to be imminent now? this would be a bad mistake surely.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
will be SUPER pissed if theres no crannogmen
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
i definitely don't think we're seeing them this season anyway. Not sure how a later introduction would work either
― Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
howland reed is my favorite character
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
shouldn't the reed kids have turned up and been established before theon comes back, which seems to be imminent now?
Yes, it is one of those things that has annoyed me.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
if you read between the lines, howland reed is a bum on a raft
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
an AWESOME bum on a raft
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
I doubt they'll show up this season, maybe next season
― Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, there's no need for them to show up this season –
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess they figure that enough new characters have been dropped in and they want to roll out the rest of the season without any major new additions. i am ok with that, as long as they do appear in s3.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
they need to arrive before theon gets there
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
The fact that they haven't been cast yet makes me wonder how the Bran storyline is going to pan out (ie what GRRM told the showrunners).
― gyac, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
But also I'm 99% certain the Reeds are the only living book characters that know the truth of Jon's parentage?
yah
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
If I only watched the show I would guess that Jon's father was Hodor.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i heard all the guys you like best r not going to be in the show
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
i see it
― gyac, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― diamonddave85, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
lmbo gyac.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Srsly fed up with the "WEAR ARE JOJEN AND MEEERA" interwebs talk, even though I liked Meera in the books. Anyway, I think that Osha's going to be escorting Bran beyond the Wall, and someone else will take Rickon (I have a suspicion/hope that it's Maester Luwin).
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 02:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
But yeah, heavy hints that Howland knows if R+L=J or not.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think they're losing me
― Number None, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i see they have jumped way ahead in daenerys's story to the part where it drags along tediously.
couple of great scenes in this one but was disappointing overall. some of the deviation from the books starting to feel gratuitous
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
damn they sure got rid of daenerys' khalasar or whatever just like that. so now, she truly has absolutely no one with her? also, when are we going to see her get her unsullied by unleashing the dragons? now would seem to be the right time since she has no army or anything to speak of, but then again when you see the size of her dragons they don't look like they could burn anyone. what a weak little flame dragon dude had. tbh daenerys' story was one of the least interesting in the books imo and they are making it even less appealing in the show.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well, old man Whitebeard is going to show up, and she has Jorah?
Drogon is still small in the House of the Undying, they would have time to grow by the time they get to Astapor. He's still small enough to sit on her shoulder at that stage.
― gyac, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm pretty excited about her going into the House of the Undying! that was one of my favourite parts in the book!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm still slogging through book 4...
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
it gets much better through the last quarter, but fuck, it is sloggy.
― gyac, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok that is good to know - i am over half of the way through
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Book 4 will seem much better once you have read book 5. They reflect each other's strengths. I kind of want to take my ebooks of books 4 and 5 and shuffle the chapters together cuz that's really how it should be read. (Or has someone already done that?)
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
I agree, I'm over the halfway point with ADWD and it's very true, especially once the timelines join up again.
I'm finding ADWD a much quicker read than AFFC, I'm only holding back cos I know there isn't going to be one to go onto.
I've also not found AFFC & ADWD as a bad as people say; I imagine not having to wait 11 years for them helps!
― gyac, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm pretty excited about her going into the House of the Undying!
If done well, it has the potential to be fantastic.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i just can't imagine how it could be done well
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
claustrophobia-inducing hallways, smokey darkness, creepy ghosts, general foreboding
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
bloody walls, stench of death, etc
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
what a tv screen can do with that can only fall well short of what the imagination can, that is the problem. if they figure out how to film "general foreboding" they are in with a shot.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
have you ever seen a good horror movie
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
seriously! i think they can do it.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hope we get Rhaegar
― gyac, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
yea! harp playing rhaegar hallucination would be awesome!
possibly related, has anyone rewatched episode 1 to see of mance rayder was actually at winterfell during the feast?
― diamonddave85, Friday, 11 May 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
huh?
― Number None, Friday, 11 May 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
mance reveals that he was at the feast for king robert's arrival
― diamonddave85, Friday, 11 May 2012 21:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
but Mance hasn't appeared on the show
― Number None, Friday, 11 May 2012 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
no need to go back and check, mance simply hadnt been cast yet
― Hungry4Ass, Friday, 11 May 2012 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
and he doesn't turn up til ASOS anyway
― Number None, Friday, 11 May 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
would be a cool easter egg tho
― diamonddave85, Friday, 11 May 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
We're probably just getting the Black Lodge.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Saturday, 12 May 2012 06:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
So I think this episode came the closest yet to containing nothing actually from the book. Which is fine; obv it makes the show more suspenseful for longtime readers...
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
jon lewis otm. i spent a lot of the episode wondering if my memory had failed me that much that i remembered this all wrong.
however, does it bother any one else that in the tv show every one talks really openly about cersei & jamie fucking, especially these two. the scene where cersei opens up to tyrion felt really wrong to me. not only does she admit having had joffrey & kids with her brother, which in the books she only admits after a lot happens, she also uses that opportunity to say she has no control over joffrey and that she's afraid of him/regrets he's the new king and not tommen or myrcella (i'll admit i wasn't giving this scene my full attention cos my flatmate had questions so could be wrong on the whole not liking joffrey bit). in the books jamie & cersei sleeping together is more of a rumour that a few people actually know to be true, but that cersei & jamie actively deny, whereas here it seems like its common knowledge and hardly anyone gives a fuck. and cersei is completely blind when it comes to joffrey, basically giving him a free pass for any & everything, which is a strange contrast to how she sees him in the tv show.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tyrion knows both in the books & show: in the book he even says "Who you lie with is no matter to me...although it doesn't seem quite just that you should open your legs for one brother and not the other" which seems rather more open than just talking about the kids. He also makes a few allusions to it in episode 1. The book can't really show you how widespread the rumours are but they are widespread, and the starving peasants in King's Landing are going to latch onto any unpleasant rumour going.
― gyac, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 12:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah tyrion knows about it (and i included him in the people who knew the rumour to be true). its just i found it kind of surprising to see how open cersei & jamie are about it when in the books it felt like they were no where near admitting it. in the books it felt like this burden that the two carried around without being able to say it because they knew other people would not look kindly upon it. here it's like " yeah i fucked my sister/brother, it was awesome! also, those kids come from this incestuous relationship, but hey u know, no biggie"
and, correct me if i'm wrong, the only time either one of them openly acknowledges it is when cersei gets captured by the septons? also yeah in the books the rumour is very widespread, i mean stannis putsup messages in every village in westeros talking about this !
tbh i guess it's a bit harder for the tv show to convey that message without having one of the two involved copping to having sex with his brother/sister. if anyone else says it i guess viewers could think that its just a rumour?
― Jibe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well Cersei iirc was all about keeping it secret but Jaime, not so much. He talks to Ilyn Payne about it a lot. Also, Kevan (their uncle) knows about it and refers to it.
The taboo is mostly because Cersei's the Queen & her kids are in the line of succession; the Targaryens had largely phased out of marrying their siblings and it is frowned upon. Daenerys's parents were siblings.
― gyac, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
here it's like " yeah i fucked my sister/brother, it was awesome! also, those kids come from this incestuous relationship, but hey u know, no biggie"
Cersei seemed pretty distraught at the idea that incest has caused Joffrey's incurable case of evil little shit-itis, I don't think it was nbd to her.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya guess so. i mean i still have some problems with the way this strays from those chars attitudes in the books, but there was no way things would be exactly the same. tbh this isn't really important, so dunno why i felt the need to write it out.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Y'all gotta remember, too, the book contains a shit-tonne of exposition via internal monologue, especially concerning Westeros history. The Arya-Tywin and Tyrion-Cersei conversations imo were a super-effective way of bringing the audience up-to-date re: the Targaryens, dragons.
Most changes/omissions have been improvements, as far as I'm concerned. The assassination of 11 of the 13 was some much needed drama in an otherwise uneventful Daenarys arc
― poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah I like most of the changes too, don't get me wrong.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
Wasn't there a LOT more about The Mountain in Book 2? I seem to remember him being this malevolent force pillaging the Riverlands
― poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah there was. I guess there'll be more whenever the Brotherhood shows up?
― gyac, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't want to come off like some kind of bloodthirsty maniac, but I hope that HBO isn't shying away from making Arya a remorseless killing machine.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
well she was thinking about stabbing tywin when he was talking with his back to her. so i guess she's still on track to being a killing machine.
― Jibe, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
True, but by this time in the books, her body count consisted of more than just a single fat boy.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
true. she does get ppl killed though. can't wait to see "a man knows" dude change looks when she tells him to kill himself.also, reading the other thread, you say metal mask chick is quaithe. and now i'm blanking out on who she is. is she the one that tells dany she'll be betrayed thrice, loved thrice etc ?
― Jibe, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm also looking forward to Arya telling Jaqen to kill himself, if only to remember the mechanics of her gambit!
Damn, now I'm not sure about Quaithe. I want to say yes, though I can't shake the possibility that she gets that warning in the Houses of the Holy Undying. But basically, she's sort of an apparition that appears to Dany randomly to drops some prophetic business.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
glad to see i'm not the only one who's confused about metal mask chick. dany does get the warning from an apparition in the house of the undying - there's no way they'll bypass that scene and have the prophecies come to dany via metal mask chick? right?
also iirc arya's gambit is basically that she wants jaqen to help her free the northmen in harrenhal. he refuses so she orders him to kill himself or smth like that?
― Jibe, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 06:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah she needs him to do more than just one assassination to free them so she names him and holds him hostage to his own promise unless he helps her
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think that Osha's going to be escorting Bran beyond the Wall, and someone else will take Rickon (I have a suspicion/hope that it's Maester Luwin).
Disappointed that we still didn't get House of the Undying, but seeing Luwin pretty much established as Rickon's replacement nanny made me happy.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Monday, 21 May 2012 05:22 (11 months ago) Permalink
Really digging the exposition of Robb + whats-her-name
― poxen, Monday, 21 May 2012 06:32 (11 months ago) Permalink
BLACKWATER.
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Sunday, 27 May 2012 23:09 (11 months ago) Permalink
... WASN'T THAT GOOD.
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Monday, 28 May 2012 06:53 (11 months ago) Permalink
Considering how hyped this episode was, I thought it was pretty damn good.
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Monday, 28 May 2012 09:14 (11 months ago) Permalink
I haven't read the books, but from the spoilers I've read, it looks like Tyrion got off a lot easier with that cut to his face than he did in the books, right? Like, his nose is still there.
― Dan I., Monday, 28 May 2012 23:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
he is TV lead character injured
― nerds being macho (remy bean), Monday, 28 May 2012 23:56 (11 months ago) Permalink
Also, did they change the guy that cut him from being a dude that was supposed to be on his side but betrayed him to just being some big random enemy? I didn't recognize the guy.
― Dan I., Monday, 28 May 2012 23:57 (11 months ago) Permalink
It was definintely a Kingsguard mofo who tries to cut him down -- Meryn Trant? Who aside from Jaime and the Hound, is the only Kingsguard guy who's gotten a name. Anyway, same guy who strips Sansa at Joffrey's command earlier this season.
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:43 (11 months ago) Permalink
REEDS! BLACKFISH!
Entertainment Weekly’s James Hibberd has the (partial) cast list of characters introduced in Season Three. Reproduced below with original role descriptions:Mance Rayder: We’ve heard about him all season. A former member of the Night’s Watch who became the “King Beyond the Wall,” the leader of the Wildlings.Daario Naharis: A confident and seductive warrior.Jojen Reed; Meera Reed: A teenage brother and sister duo with special insights.Edmure Tully: A brash young member of the Tully family.Ser Brynden Tully (The Blackfish): Catelyn Stark’s uncle.Lady Selyse Florent: Stannis Baratheon’s wife.Shireen: Stannis’ daughter.Olenna Redwyne (The Queen of Thorns): Margaery Tyrell’s sharp-witted grandmother.Beric Dondarrion: A skilled knight who is the leader of the outlaw group Brotherhood Without Banners.Thoros of Myr: A red priest who follows the same religion as Melisandre.Tormund Giantsbane: A Wildling raider.
Mance Rayder: We’ve heard about him all season. A former member of the Night’s Watch who became the “King Beyond the Wall,” the leader of the Wildlings.Daario Naharis: A confident and seductive warrior.Jojen Reed; Meera Reed: A teenage brother and sister duo with special insights.Edmure Tully: A brash young member of the Tully family.Ser Brynden Tully (The Blackfish): Catelyn Stark’s uncle.Lady Selyse Florent: Stannis Baratheon’s wife.Shireen: Stannis’ daughter.Olenna Redwyne (The Queen of Thorns): Margaery Tyrell’s sharp-witted grandmother.Beric Dondarrion: A skilled knight who is the leader of the outlaw group Brotherhood Without Banners.Thoros of Myr: A red priest who follows the same religion as Melisandre.Tormund Giantsbane: A Wildling raider.
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:54 (11 months ago) Permalink
oh shireen.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
I hope Glenn Danzig plays Ramsay Bolton.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:59 (11 months ago) Permalink
Wait, wasn't Beric already in the first season? I don't remember him but it seems he should've been?
― poxen, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah, he was. Guess that guy couldn't wait around (or maybe wasn't up to it)
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:01 (11 months ago) Permalink
needs more patchface
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:18 (11 months ago) Permalink
patchface creeps me out, I'd be glad if he didn't show up
― Moodles, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:19 (11 months ago) Permalink
He is very creepy. I don't like clowns or fools to begin with, but he takes it to the next level.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
totally. creepy-sad clown.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:30 (11 months ago) Permalink
i am glad the reeds weren't left out. i have been missing the more other-worldliness part of GoT (dragons, white walkers, physic powers, etc)
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:31 (11 months ago) Permalink
there's been loads of that this season...
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:32 (11 months ago) Permalink
yes, queen of thorns such a great character ! reeds also cool !
Edmure Tully: A brash young member of the Tully family.
he's just a bit younger than catelyn stark ! this makes it sound like he's around the same age as i dunno, the stark kids or smth.
― Jibe, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 11:28 (11 months ago) Permalink
I think they might have specified young as he is younger than Catelyn and also not yet married.
― gyac, Thursday, 31 May 2012 12:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
Olenna is U&K, but Blackfish is awes as well.
Also puzzled why they don't just say that Edmure is Cat's brother.
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Friday, 1 June 2012 02:11 (11 months ago) Permalink
NOT LUWIN!!!!!!!!!!!! I BLAME THE REEDS!!
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Monday, 4 June 2012 04:27 (11 months ago) Permalink
I like all the changes they've made so far, what have we got?
- Massacre of the Thirteen- Robb exists in Book 2- Theon is a wimp- Arya/Tywin instead of Arya/Roose, massively expanded
I feel like there must have been something else that happened in Book 2 that I've forgotten, Season 2 seemed largely fabricated, aside from King's Landing + Stannis
― poxen, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:35 (11 months ago) Permalink
All I remember now of Book 2 was Dany getting lost in the desert and it taking a long time.
Oh, they also made Renly a more visible character. All good choices
― poxen, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:36 (11 months ago) Permalink
Stuff they took out:
- Jojen and Meera- Tyrion's chain- Edmure Tully
― poxen, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:39 (11 months ago) Permalink
Oh, they also made Renly a more visible character.
It's funny, seeing the amount of people online complaining that there was not enough Renly this season when he got his story got fleshed out way more than was in the books.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 4 June 2012 14:43 (11 months ago) Permalink
jojen and meera are cast for season 3 so i guess bran crew is just gonna bump into them on their way through the woods or something. edmure will show up when we go to riverrun i assume
― ciderpress, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:43 (11 months ago) Permalink
err being cast, not cast yet
― ciderpress, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:44 (11 months ago) Permalink
So many good decisions! The only plot threads of which I preferred the book version have been Jon Snow, Samwell and Davos.
― poxen, Monday, 4 June 2012 17:27 (11 months ago) Permalink
this last one definitely showed the signs of the budget being spunked on the penultimate episode. i guess i had low expectations for the house of the undying. they could've spent half an episode in there and really gone big with it but i didn't see it happening. what they did on the smaller scale worked fine tho.
i didn't think the winterfell thing was handled as well as it could've been. not even one shot of the northmen outside the gates? it was all too vague. the business with ramsay in the books seemed a bit unnecessary on reading but i actually missed it here. the show might have done better to add ramsay in and take its time more with that storyline. it mostly disappears in book 3 anyway, and the bran parts there could be easily condensed to accommodate an escape mid-season. the burned kids could've been the season cliffhanger.
i didn't much like how the jon/halfhand thing happened either - also needlessly vague. i mean, it was clear enough what qhorin was trying to do, but there was no moment when the penny seemed to drop for jon, and in the end he killed him cos he said something mean about his unknown mam. at least they got where they needed to be, by a roundabout way.
on the plus side, tyrion's face was impressively fucked up, even if they had to keep his nose. if dinklage was really committed to his art he'd have let them hack it off. disappointing.
this season was always when the real challenge of making a tv show out of such a wide ranging story was going to be obvious. they really could've done better. i know there are pressures and expectations, but they would've been helped themselves a ton by cutting dany out of nearly all the first half of the season. i thought robb rampaging off in the west and then returning with his marriage a done deal was a great narrative twist, and i don't know how well the show was served by making him much more static and giving that nurse so much screen time. meanwhile, other parts of the story got sometimes bizarrely truncated.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 4 June 2012 20:24 (11 months ago) Permalink
i suspect they didn't want to have to cast Ramsay until season 3
after playing up theon's story to great effect this season i wonder if they'll actually vanish him for 2 years like in the books. theon's reintroduction was probably my favorite thing post-book-3 and i suspect it would have been less effective had GRRM peeked in on him even once during the interim
― ciderpress, Monday, 4 June 2012 20:44 (11 months ago) Permalink
I'd go so far as to say that they really messed up this stuff. Not only did the writers/Kit Harrington turn Jon into an ineffectual, drooling idiot, like, someone whom the Night's Watch would actually kick out, he dragged down Qhorin's BAMFness too.
They also changed Ramsay/Reek into Dagmar Cleftjaw.
I do not look forward to Ian's return, I'll have to make sure my eyes are ready to roll.
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 03:30 (11 months ago) Permalink
However, any new scenes with Varys are so much A++++.
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 04:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah but needs less Ros. When they introduced Dontos in the first episode of s2 and then cut out that whole storyline including finding out Littlefinger was behind it all, it makes Sansa seem stupid for not going with the Hound, when in the book it's cos she has this other escape plan in the works.
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 13:05 (11 months ago) Permalink
― max, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 21:25 (11 months ago) Permalink
today is really having a strong finish
― WHEY AHR MAH DREGUNS? (DJP), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 21:26 (11 months ago) Permalink
Bf asked me the same while viewing "What's milk of the puppy?" Some people just have not read enough poison & dagger-laden fantasy novels, jeez.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 21:30 (11 months ago) Permalink
I've never thought I was partic good at following intrigue, based on my inability to get more than like 5 sentences into denser political articles without my eyes blurring, and me figuring that politics was basically the same thing, but non-fantasy people watching this show make me feel like a fucking genius.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 21:32 (11 months ago) Permalink
finally watched this last night. was the crazy white walker monster at the end supposed to be coldhands??
― deadcandace (diamonddave85), Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:38 (11 months ago) Permalink
no
― Number None, Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:38 (11 months ago) Permalink
the white dudes on the horses are Others. it's implied that coldhands is reanimated dead. he also wears nights watch duds.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:44 (11 months ago) Permalink
and he rides a stag
― Number None, Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:47 (11 months ago) Permalink
or an elk
yeah i was a bit confused since he didn't immediately kill samwell
― deadcandace (diamonddave85), Thursday, 7 June 2012 16:17 (11 months ago) Permalink
If you were a scary supernatural being, would you feel threatened enough by Sam to kill him?
But yeah, Coldhands crossed my mind too.
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Friday, 8 June 2012 01:48 (11 months ago) Permalink
it's never mentioned who coldhands is in the books right? are we supposed to believe that he's benjo or whatver the stark's ranger uncle's name is?
― Jibe, Friday, 8 June 2012 07:08 (11 months ago) Permalink
benjy is the prime suspect
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 8 June 2012 10:47 (11 months ago) Permalink
this season was so much better than the corresponding book. arya's story was WAY improved in pretty much every way.
― Mordy, Friday, 8 June 2012 10:59 (11 months ago) Permalink
agreed.
― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, 8 June 2012 14:19 (11 months ago) Permalink
so they're gonna start off season 3 with the red wedding? that should get everyone all riled up!
― messiahwannabe, Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
They're STARTING with that? Holy shit.
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:47 (11 months ago) Permalink
no way that's true
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:53 (11 months ago) Permalink
source?
― milk of the puppy (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:57 (11 months ago) Permalink
just pure conjecture, but we've got the background all set up, and it would be a hell of a kickoff. get em yammering at the watercoolers and whatnot.
― messiahwannabe, Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:58 (11 months ago) Permalink
nah they'll stretch it out, red wedding will be episode 8 or 9 of season 3. They're introducing all the tullys from the casting stuff upthread so that'll all have to go down for a few episodes. They'll give us more of the Boltons, etc.
― Clay, Saturday, 9 June 2012 05:11 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah we haven't even met the tullys yet so there's that whole bit at riverrun to get through first
― ciderpress, Saturday, 9 June 2012 06:58 (11 months ago) Permalink
they also have to set up Beric Dondarrion's death defying abilities
― Number None, Saturday, 9 June 2012 11:46 (11 months ago) Permalink
And the Martells, maybe?
― Ò (Ówen P.), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:35 (11 months ago) Permalink
Martells don't figure much into RW, though?
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:26 (11 months ago) Permalink
Riiight. So, if they split Book 3 into two seasons, it stands to reason that Red Wedding happens at the end of Season 3, and "RIP Lysa, Tywin, Shae" happens at the end of Season 4
If that's the case, I wonder what else would happen in Season 4, seeing as Theon, Hound, Cat and Robb would be gone/out of the picture. They'd surely have to introduce some of the new characters? I guess we'll be seeing a lot of the Boltons...
― Ò (Ówen P.), Saturday, 9 June 2012 20:10 (11 months ago) Permalink
presumably a lot of the earlier stuff in AFFC would be happening in season 4. A lot of the iron islands stuff happens chronologically not long after Balon kicks it, which is around the same time as the RW.
― Clay, Saturday, 9 June 2012 21:52 (11 months ago) Permalink
Joffrey's wedding happens after the RW, as would Tyrion's trial, which will mean Oberyn (at least).
― gyac, Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:01 (11 months ago) Permalink
they'll also need to do the whole storyline with the Eyrie.
― gyac, Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:03 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah I'm guessing joffreys wedding/death spectacular around midway season 4 with the aftermath (particularly tyrion's trial lasting longer/being a bigger deal in the show) taking up the rest of that season.
― Clay, Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:51 (11 months ago) Permalink
god i can't wait to see that little fuck choke to death. the hbo nation will cheer!
― messiahwannabe, Monday, 11 June 2012 10:23 (11 months ago) Permalink
I don't think I've ever looked forward to a scene in anything so much.
― I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Monday, 11 June 2012 12:44 (11 months ago) Permalink
What if they change it so he doesn't die and he stays around forever it's possible
― brony ver (s1ocki), Monday, 11 June 2012 13:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
eternal sadface
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Monday, 11 June 2012 13:58 (11 months ago) Permalink
that would be amazing
― BC Forgbs (Ówen P.), Monday, 11 June 2012 14:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
And what if the show gradually comes around to his POV
― brony ver (s1ocki), Monday, 11 June 2012 14:01 (11 months ago) Permalink
what if they kill Tommen instead
Ser Pounce's head on a pike ;_;
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Monday, 11 June 2012 14:02 (11 months ago) Permalink
definitely give Cersei more to do in Season 5 besides sit around getting wasted
― BC Forgbs (Ówen P.), Monday, 11 June 2012 14:03 (11 months ago) Permalink
Tommen should instead waste away of ennui
― BC Forgbs (Ówen P.), Monday, 11 June 2012 14:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
Mark my prediction:
First scene of season 3, Jon Snow administering 'the Lord's Kiss'
― milk of the puppy (Jon Lewis), Monday, 11 June 2012 17:37 (11 months ago) Permalink
WE CAN HAZ BLACKFISH.
― Tom Crucifictorious (Leee), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 23:46 (10 months ago) Permalink
Oo, nice.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 23:49 (10 months ago) Permalink
Flawless, better than your faves, etc.
― I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Thursday, 5 July 2012 00:10 (10 months ago) Permalink
Mackenzie Crook has been seen round Belfast with the cast. As has this guy: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1528121/ Nooooo idea who either of them might be.
― gyac, Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:28 (10 months ago) Permalink
perhaps edmure tully for the latter?
― ciderpress, Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:30 (10 months ago) Permalink
or either of them i guess
― ciderpress, Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:31 (10 months ago) Permalink
mackenzie crook is creepy enough to be a ramsay, if he can also be sinister
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:32 (10 months ago) Permalink
mace tyrell is in kings landing by the start of book 3 right? someone will have to be him.
does ramsay actually get important screen time before book 5? i can't remember
― ciderpress, Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:33 (10 months ago) Permalink
He doesn't seem menacing enough to me. I always pictured Ramsay as looking like Glenn Danzig.
― I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:36 (10 months ago) Permalink
He's far too old to be Ramsay I think. He was ruled out for Vargo Hoat earlier. One of the Brotherhood?
― gyac, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:02 (10 months ago) Permalink
does ramsay actually get important screen time before book 5?
he should've been prominent in the winterfell scenes this past season but they kept him outside the gates. it's confirmed that they are casting him for s3 tho, so they are obv going to establish him with theon somehow.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:13 (10 months ago) Permalink
Mackenzie Crook as Ramsay Snow Bolton could actually be genius.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:30 (10 months ago) Permalink
Theon isn't in book 3, but the producers are going to include him next year, so I assume we'll get Ramsay too.
― Tom Crucifictorious (Leee), Friday, 6 July 2012 03:21 (10 months ago) Permalink
More casting: http://winteriscoming.net/2012/07/season-three-casting-announced/
Looks like they recast Beric after all, though he's supposed to be all chewed up and unrecognizable in his reappearance in the books.
Surprised that they went with a well-known actress for Queen of Thorns who wasn't Maggie Smith or Judi Dench. I'd expected a no-name stage actress.
― Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:48 (10 months ago) Permalink
And this from the other thread:
also *sigh*...so many new bloody characters. A bunch need to die quickly.
had me lolling.
― Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:52 (10 months ago) Permalink
apparently Mance Rayder's not cast yet
Also - Tobias Menzies (Brutus from Rome) is Edmure!
― gyac, Friday, 13 July 2012 23:01 (10 months ago) Permalink
From a few days ago:
Filming starts Friday night in Northern Ireland on the most famous scene of “Games of Thrones” — the Red Wedding.And, according to a casting notice, the show is looking for amputees to act as extras in the bloody episode.“Seeking LEG ONLY, MALE AMPUTEES,” reads the notice posted on an Irish casting Web site.Interested actors are required to send “a clear description regarding where your limb is missing eg. at knee, at ankle, etc.”
And, according to a casting notice, the show is looking for amputees to act as extras in the bloody episode.
“Seeking LEG ONLY, MALE AMPUTEES,” reads the notice posted on an Irish casting Web site.
Interested actors are required to send “a clear description regarding where your limb is missing eg. at knee, at ankle, etc.”
Bring on the bodies.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:52 (7 months ago) Permalink
I saw that. It's going to be the penultimate episode of the season. GRRM is doing one script, but not for that episode.
― gyac, Friday, 19 October 2012 19:25 (7 months ago) Permalink
The Red Wedding takes pace about 2/3rds of the way through the book, no?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:28 (7 months ago) Permalink
Well, the stuff in Slaver's Bay is probably going to be all over the place and the sheer amount of shit that follows the Red Wedding plus the need to set up stuff for AFFC/ADWD (Dorne's not even going to be in s3) and the need to flesh out more of the series mythos/~mysteries should make it work out I think.
― gyac, Friday, 19 October 2012 21:25 (7 months ago) Permalink
Not looking forward to the Robb/Grey Wind Frankensteining. :\
Maybe for all the Dorne stuff, they can do like a spinoff, so we can get all the Swarthy Sexiness while we wait for the main stories to resume.
― Fair Leeenkum (Leee), Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:55 (6 months ago) Permalink
The Gashlycrumb Westerosi
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:24 (6 months ago) Permalink
nice!
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:28 (6 months ago) Permalink
And referring to my post the other day, more on the filming of, you know, THAT scene.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:29 (6 months ago) Permalink
Maps!
http://io9.com/5954289/at-last-official-maps-of-george-rr-martins-lands-from-westeros-to-qarth
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:41 (6 months ago) Permalink
Time to update my gps.
― Sug ban (Nicole), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
Although knowing my gps it would keep telling me to make a left turn directly into The Wall.
― Sug ban (Nicole), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:44 (6 months ago) Permalink
http://www.windsofwinterrelease.com/can-asoiaf-be-finished-in-two-books/
Balon Swann and Obara’s Hunt for DarkstarSounds like a Yes/Dead collaboration.
― Gods Leee You Black Emperor (Leee), Thursday, 15 November 2012 07:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
that page is actually super useful, i won't have to reread all the books when the next one is finally out again
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 November 2012 06:20 (6 months ago) Permalink
omg i dont remember any of that shit
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Friday, 16 November 2012 15:16 (6 months ago) Permalink
I can't conceive of this guy finishing this stuff elegantly or within any of our lifetimes
― in an English way (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 16 November 2012 15:22 (6 months ago) Permalink
Especially since he has been having emo meltdowns over the Jets.
― this will surprise many (Nicole), Friday, 16 November 2012 15:25 (6 months ago) Permalink
I've enjoyed the series so far, but am reserving judgment until it's done because he'll either wrap it up with some kind of mindblowing ending that will tie together all the strands in a way you never saw coming, or he'll fail miserably and it will end as a nonsensical mess. Right now, either is fairly likely, but books 4 and 5 made me think he's drifting toward the latter option.
― Moodles, Friday, 16 November 2012 15:27 (6 months ago) Permalink
5 definitely an improvement on 4, in terms of not being mostly quite boring, but the narrative momentum remains incredibly slow compared to the first three.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 16 November 2012 15:29 (6 months ago) Permalink
huh, totally passed me by that it was supposedly jaqen who killed pate and then assumed his identity
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 16 November 2012 15:34 (6 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, what? Don't even remember any hints that that had happened.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 16 November 2012 15:51 (6 months ago) Permalink
Yeah the description of the guy who kills pate is essentially identical to the description of jaqen's new identity in the last arya chapter in aCoK.
― Clay, Friday, 16 November 2012 17:06 (6 months ago) Permalink
Baelor the Blessed, you need a long memory to keep up with this.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 16 November 2012 17:08 (6 months ago) Permalink
Who the eff is Pate.
Yeah, srsly though, I don't think anyone on ILX deciphered that connection, we are not supernerds or anything.
― Gods Leee You Black Emperor (Leee), Friday, 16 November 2012 17:14 (6 months ago) Permalink
Prologue of book 4 he is killed and lastish chapter of book 4 we see the faceless man whose taken his identity working subterfuge in the citadel.
― Clay, Friday, 16 November 2012 17:17 (6 months ago) Permalink
/supernerd
― Clay, Friday, 16 November 2012 17:18 (6 months ago) Permalink
Balon Swann and Obara’s Hunt for Darkstar
can't remember what any of these things are
yeah same with this
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:19 (6 months ago) Permalink
it's funny how everything on westeros sounds like it's heading towards a thrilling conclusion (except dorne, fuck those olive-eating shits) and everything that's not just makes me think OH GOD HE WROTE THAT AND HE IS GOING TO WRITE MORE OF THAT
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:21 (6 months ago) Permalink
I'm planning to re-read these. I have a feeling that there are lots of details that I kind of glossed over the first time that will seem much more relevant now that I've read all the books.
― Moodles, Friday, 16 November 2012 19:23 (6 months ago) Permalink
most of those are just inside jokes about football
― eat it (Lamp), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:23 (6 months ago) Permalink
he started in 1991.
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:24 (6 months ago) Permalink
he has less than a decade to finish them in less time than it took for the actual wars of the roses to happen
yeah every time i remember that dany is still puttering around in the boring eastern continent after FIVE BOOKS i get mad
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 November 2012 19:25 (6 months ago) Permalink
http://duke.a-13.net/
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:26 (6 months ago) Permalink
the first time i read the series i was already mostly uninterested in her storyline by mid-book-2, there's literally only one Dany chapter in the series so far that's as exciting as the westeros stuff (the one where she fake-offers the dragon to the slave master and then torches him and steals the army)
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 November 2012 19:28 (6 months ago) Permalink
find it hard to not process the "but see, getting rid of the slavers solved NOTHING" bullshit that followed as anything but horribly racist tbh
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:33 (6 months ago) Permalink
i liked dany's chapters in the first three books, i liked the mysterious east and her time in the house of prophecy and all that jazz, lots of westeros stuff was just bran the boring crying about how hes a cripple now
― eat it (Lamp), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:38 (6 months ago) Permalink
yeah i actually liked them more the 2nd time around but they still felt slower paced than the rest of the storylines, until books 4 and 5 when everything else slowed down too
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 November 2012 19:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
anyone remember that blog post linked here a while ago about how the treatment of dany in the books was better because the scene where she had sex with the guy she'd been sold to was somehow 'not a rape' but in the tv show it was 'definitely a rape'
destroy nerd culture
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp)
Balon is a Kingsguard, Obara I think is a Sand Snake, Darkstar is a Grateful Dead jam that tried to kill Myrcella.
― Gods Leee You Black Emperor (Leee), Saturday, 17 November 2012 01:51 (6 months ago) Permalink
find it hard to not process the "but see, getting rid of the slavers solved NOTHING" bullshit that followed as anything but horribly racist tbhNo, that's exactly why she stays to rule Meereen, after destroying Astapor and the city collapsing on itself. He enjoys writing about the learning to rule process so that's why we get that. Getting rid of the slavers did change things, but there was nothing there to replace the system - that's why that turned out badly. I really don't see him being pro-slavery. At all.
― gyac, Saturday, 17 November 2012 13:22 (6 months ago) Permalink
From the Who thread:
Clara is dating Robb Stark irl.
... but not for long!
― Only Built For Cuban Linux (Leee), Thursday, 27 December 2012 23:36 (4 months ago) Permalink
Do the Freys know?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 27 December 2012 23:50 (4 months ago) Permalink
new sample chapter from winds of winter: http://georgerrmartin.com/if-sample.html
― big fat dictionary (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 18:06 (4 months ago) Permalink
sweet illustration
― Number None, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 18:17 (4 months ago) Permalink
Beyonce is Arianne Martell?!?!
― Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 18:23 (4 months ago) Permalink
I was waiting to use that since I read the story yesterday. I knew GRRM would be productive now that his football season is over.
― Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 18:27 (4 months ago) Permalink
quick reminder to the unwary clicker, this is the spoiler threadalso i guess this is potentially a spoiler about a difference between the books and the tv show, so if that is something you are bothered about this is fair warning
all that being said...
i think i have mentioned before that a good friend of mine knows the actor who plays robb. the guy himself has said that he will be appearing in seasons - seasons plural - after season 3. SEASONS PLURAL. has someone (max?) seen an advance copy of season 3 to help corroborate?
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 13:39 (1 month ago) Permalink
I think it may be that Storm of Swords is broken into 2 seasons because it is so long.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 13:45 (1 month ago) Permalink
i should have emphasized that this was seasons, plural
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 13:48 (1 month ago) Permalink
Red Wedding is slated to happen this season though...
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 13:50 (1 month ago) Permalink
so he's supposed to show up even in season 5? seems like a stretch...
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 13:52 (1 month ago) Permalink
i havent seen any of s3 but! maybe flashbacks?
― max, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 13:55 (1 month ago) Permalink
or maybe like--he might be on contract for 5 seasons even if they dont play on using him?
i wondered about flashbacks. but why? or i guess they could zombie him, but again... i am hoping this was some kind of denial/big talk
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 14:00 (1 month ago) Permalink
supposedly red wedding is happening in the 9th ep of this season, much like they put the biggest moments from the past 2 seasons in the 9th ep? or at least they released the episode titles and the title of that one is 'the rains of castamere' so what else could it be really
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 14:03 (1 month ago) Permalink
Robb Zombie?
― Leeeyoncé (Leee), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 15:46 (1 month ago) Permalink
Aw cmon, I thought that was mildly clever!
― Leeeyoncé (Leee), Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:41 (1 month ago) Permalink
no spoilers
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:41 (1 month ago) Permalink
My bad. ._.
But anyway, maybe that's the route they take instead of UnCat?
― Leeeyoncé (Leee), Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:47 (1 month ago) Permalink
feels like way to big a shift away from the books imo.
― Clay, Thursday, 21 March 2013 21:22 (1 month ago) Permalink
ffs, xpost
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Thursday, 21 March 2013 21:27 (1 month ago) Permalink
Premier was pretty good overall.
things I liked:
-Tywin/Tyrion scene. So cold.-Margaery Tyrell's PR stunt + playing Joffrey and Cersei against each other-Glad they threw out the "Whitebeard" stuff and just let Barristan Selmy be himself. -The giant looked pretty cool. More human-like than in the books, but just weird enough.-The stuff with Danaerys and the Unsullied was great and played pretty much exactly as in the books.-Dragon fishing. Those critters are so fucking cute. I want one.
things I did not care for:-Weird, awkward cold opening. -Mance Rayder introduction felt a tad off, especially Jon's justification for joining the wildlings.-No mammoths (yet). I hope they don't save them for next season or omit them entirely. That would suck.-No Strong Belwas ;_; He was such a colorful, over-the-top character in the books. I'll miss him.
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:13 (1 month ago) Permalink
I actively cannot wait for Robb to die. They've destroyed Catelyn's character & his. The showmakers seem to love taking the tropes subverted by GRRM and playing them straight.
― gyac, Monday, 1 April 2013 19:30 (1 month ago) Permalink
no strong belwas?? fuck that
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 1 April 2013 21:00 (1 month ago) Permalink
the scene where he takes a victory shit in front of the whole city is probably the highlight of literature in the last century
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 1 April 2013 21:02 (1 month ago) Permalink
judging by typical practice on the show, they will keep that highlight but simplify things by having another character drop the load
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:06 (1 month ago) Permalink
No Strong Belwas ;_;
OTM. Pretty much agree with all of Latebloomer's points actually.
Glad to see Tormund, always had a soft spot for him.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 1 April 2013 21:38 (1 month ago) Permalink
I was going to say that Strong Belwas is so one-dimensional that leaving him out is no big loss but then H4A set me right straight.
Obviously Barristan.
Love Tormund in the books, but this guy hasn't show his joie de vivre yet. I mean, not a single dick joke out of him yet. ;_;
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 06:12 (1 month ago) Permalink
(Let's just pretend I know English and that I originally wrote "shown" in my previous post.)
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 06:16 (1 month ago) Permalink
wait do we know for sure that strong belwas is out? might he just make his appearance differently?
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 13:27 (1 month ago) Permalink
Don't think he's been announced in the cast.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:05 (1 month ago) Permalink
Barristan the Load.
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:56 (1 month ago) Permalink
WHERE ARE MY MAMMOTHS
― urine for a treat (latebloomer), Monday, 8 April 2013 08:06 (1 month ago) Permalink
Don't think we'll be getting the Bloody Mummers.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 8 April 2013 15:57 (1 month ago) Permalink
Not seen #2 yet (do the Yanks get this stuff before us Britishers?) but I've gotta say that I really wasn't impressed with the first episode whatsoever.
Just feels like there's a few too many balls in the air right now, the different plots seemed to be getting about half as much air-time as they could do with. Just me feeling this way?
I hope they can rein it in a bit before too long(obvs. the number of characters is gonna drop pretty dramatically quite soon). Would be delighted for them to prove me wrong, but right now I'm concerned that this show is going to go a bit off the boil (until the end of the season anyway, which will surely be all kinds of batshit crazy)
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 8 April 2013 16:45 (1 month ago) Permalink
Don't think we'll be getting the Bloody Mummers.we are, but Vargo Hoat has a different name. And the hand is definitely going.
― gyac, Monday, 8 April 2013 17:13 (1 month ago) Permalink
post about the "200 northmen slaughtered like sheep" at harrenhal got me thinking. i really don't know who these people are supposed to be. were these the non-bolton elements of a northern contingent, killed by the bolton troops before they head of in the direction of riverrun? they seem to be holding back the elements of the bolton betrayal for a big splashy reveal but it is making unsatisfying holes in the narrative
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 8 April 2013 17:56 (1 month ago) Permalink
also: show speculation/spoiler
fairly obvious but if you hadn't already realized, the guy who says he's going to help theon escape is ramsay. in the preview of next week you see him releasing theon into the woods, to be hunted.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 8 April 2013 18:00 (1 month ago) Permalink
It was either them or the giant, my guess.
My first instinct was to say no (I haven't liked either episode this season, btw), but trying to figure out why, it's probably because everything's moving really slowly, a lot of boring talk sandwiching the set pieces, which haven't been that impressive to begin with (Gwen Christie doesn't handle a sword that well, imo), i.e. too many plots diluting the storytelling.
Roberto, I may have read this instead of getting it from the episode itself, but I believ the Mountain killed a bunch of prisoners before high-tailing it out of Harrenhal.
I am *not* looking forward to the Theon/Ramsay stuff. Thought the Reek stuff was insipid to begin with, now it looks like we're getting torture porn too with it now, hoorah.
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 05:18 (1 month ago) Permalink
Also been wondering, if R + L = J, how are they going to swing that on the show? It's going to be pretty anticlimactic considering where R and L currently are.
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 05:19 (1 month ago) Permalink
Last bit: should people not point out things like thomp's post in the other thread? That's just going to validate things to the non-book readers and remove doubt that they're spoilers.
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 05:22 (1 month ago) Permalink
totally lost here, can't seem to figure out who R+L = J are.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 08:26 (1 month ago) Permalink
Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon? Which, let's face it, pretty much has to be the case now unless GRRM is pulling an almighty swerve
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 08:46 (1 month ago) Permalink
ah ok thx. but then i don't understand leee's comment about how it'd be really anticlimactic considering where R and L are. i mean they're dead and all but that's never stopped a show.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 10:08 (1 month ago) Permalink
I get what he means to the extent that by this point in the books, sooooo much has been made of Lyanna and Rhaegar's backstory (the heavy hints that them absconding was an elopement rather than a kidnap, the flashbacks to Ned Stark battling the Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy, 'Promise me Ned', that little story about the tourney in the year of the False Spring that Meera tells Bran and Jojen, and about a dozen other little odds and ends scatted through the text) that it's basically impossible to miss that whole subplot and see where it's leading.
But the series has made so little of any of it, Rhaegar and Lyanna haven't really been present whatsoever except for the first ep. when Robert Baratheon goes to visit Lyanna's tomb and that little bit of the story gets told.
Basically I totally see why they feel that they feel that stuff is not totally essential so far and could be cut, and of course they could always retcon it back during a later series somehow. But the "WHO IS JON SNOW?" storyline, which is essentially the whole thrust of his narrative and is clearly building to the massive reveal (this'll be Howland Reed's function, right?), just isn't really present in the tv show. If they reveal it with this little build it'll probably just raise a bit of a shrug from peeps who've not read the books. "Oh, so Jon and Dany are related?" or whatever.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 11:35 (1 month ago) Permalink
Yeah Windsor 100% otm, better than I could've explained it, too.
R and L have been such non-entities on the show that bringing them in only via exposition would imo be bad storytelling. And since the show doesn't really do flashbacks outside of the House of the Undying and some green dreams, I don't see the actual characters getting onscreen, which makes me wonder if Jon's parentage matters on a) the show (apparently no) and b) the books.
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:42 (1 month ago) Permalink
maybe they think seeding something in early seasons for a reveal in later seasons is a waste of time, and they'll just go heavy on it closer to the time. but in the books it has got to be a Big Deal surely
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:47 (1 month ago) Permalink
thanks for the refresher. it's got me to think about stupid scenarios for the books, such as jon ending up with daenerys, bro&sis reunited, targaryen style (wait he's actually daenerys' nephew right?) and they'll rule it all with their dragons and giants&mammoths. only problem to that is we're supposed to believe jon's been killed at the wall no?
― Jibe, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:00 (1 month ago) Permalink
Flat out not having it that Jon Snow is dead at this point, largely due to the aforementioned foreshadowing regarding the importance of his parentage (btw, Dany/Jon/Tyrion turning out to be Targaryens each riding their own dragon is gonna happen fo sho).
Tbh while I luurrrve GRRM’s swerves and twists, I do think his ‘gratuitously killing off the main characters’ thing is massively overstated. At various points during the narrative we’ve been led to believe that Catelyn, Theon, Bran and Rickon have been killed only for them to pop back up, the Hound’s definitely still knocking about somewhere out there, the Mountain’s about to make his comeback as a zombie bodyguard for Cersei etc. etc. And for my money Jon Snow is definitely gonna see out this story in some form or another.
Really only Ned, Robb, Tywin and Joffrey qualify as massive name characters getting the chop, and those all work perfectly for the storylines and in hindsight don’t seem so WTF as they did at first. Four big characters in 5 books isn't outrageous, even if it is still more than say Potter or LOTR or whatever.
Part of the reason I’m excited for the next book is that I think we really ought to be over the hump of the narrative now, there are so many characters running around with enough build and backstory for us to care (and who have all managed to more or less avoid each other so far) that we ought to be able to see some pretty spectacular showdowns and deaths coming up. No reason why GRRM shouldn’t return to the pacing of Storm of Swords any time from now, basically.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:22 (1 month ago) Permalink
Oh and Renly I spose. And Viserys. And Khal Drogo. And Lord Mormont. Alright, there is quite a few. But I'd argue that these guys aren't really essential.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:24 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah, i think most readers have gotten a bit tired of Martin's fakeout deaths. Hence the rather underwhelmed reaction to Jon Snow's supposed demise
― Number None, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:29 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah no way is jon dead (hence my supposed to believe). tyrion being a targaryen is a bit more farfetched no? once again my memory of the books isn't that great, i remember the character arcs m/l, the details less so, is there really a lot leading to believe tyrion is a targaryen? tbh i'd love to see him riding a dragon but um daenerys isn't v likely to be friendly to a lannister. sorry to be asking all of this when i guess i could google.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:33 (1 month ago) Permalink
Oh yeah no doubt the whole Tyrion-is-a-Targ thing is just one among many wild fan theories flying about, it's just one of my personal favs. Tyrion as child of Mad King Aerys, hence the everlasting hatred zinged his way by Tywin, the apparently constant antagonism and tension between Tywin and Aerys etc. And there has been all that signposting shit about Tyrion designing his very own saddle so he can ride a horse, or maybe, just maybe..... a DRAGON?!
Having said that, all of that stuff can be (and has been) explained away perfectly simply without any of the conspiracy theory stuff. It's just an idea that I kinda like.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:38 (1 month ago) Permalink
the tyrion thing is pretty loose and i don't know if i believe it. though the one interesting point that comes up in those discussions is that dany, tyrion, and jon (assuming the R+L thing here) are the three characters who 'killed' their mothers in childbirth which seems like a non-coincidence
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:41 (1 month ago) Permalink
you guys, the reason Jon isn't dead is because his mind jumped into his wolf; I really don't see Dany marrying an actual wolf
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:46 (1 month ago) Permalink
The reason Jon isn't dead is because the Red Lady's gonna work some voodoo magic on him because he is the PRINCE THAT WAS PROMISED
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:49 (1 month ago) Permalink
he's presumably not going to stay a wolf though
― Number None, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:50 (1 month ago) Permalink
dany said she'd never marry again, so you know she can a direwolf to her ménagerie of dragonsbut yeah red lady magic has to be on the way.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:50 (1 month ago) Permalink
* she can add
― Jibe, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:51 (1 month ago) Permalink
It would be fun if he did!
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:54 (1 month ago) Permalink
we already have a supposed 3rd targ without needing tyrion tho right?
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:55 (1 month ago) Permalink
not too sure about that guy's credentials
― Number None, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:57 (1 month ago) Permalink
Yeah, not long after I read the last book I read a decent analysis of the Dany scene in the Houses of the Undying when she has all those visions (I think it was this point, anyway? or maybe it was something that witchy Quaithe character said perhaps?) and there's a mention of the Mummer's Dragon being carried aloft over the crowds or something.
This Aegon kid ain't no Targ, but he'll make a decent puppet king for Varys till Danaerys gets back and starts fucking shit up
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:00 (1 month ago) Permalink
that is interesting in not wholly convincing. personally i thought he seemed like an obvious late write-in, without any real trademark foreshadowing, so i would guess grrm had a different plan for the 3rd head but it wasn't panning out or he tripped himself up. otherwise, why bother with the kid at all?
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:02 (1 month ago) Permalink
if not wholly convincing, obv
I assumed that the kid is just a part of Varys’s masterplan, and as such no great degree of foreshadowing is required for him. His is not the story really, it’s all about Varys. It could also act as a good catalyst to lurch Dany into action at long fucking last once Tyrion’s passed on the news to her.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:13 (1 month ago) Permalink
maybe Varys is the third Targ
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:17 (1 month ago) Permalink
Maybe Rhaegar warged into Pretty Pig.
― R = J - L (Leee), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 01:44 (1 month ago) Permalink
Lots of talk about Rhaegar this episode, HMMMM.
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 05:26 (1 month ago) Permalink
Lot of interesting deviations from the books, too, IIRC.
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 05:27 (1 month ago) Permalink
Someone frequents asoiafcirclejerk!
If they've mentioned Rhaegar this week, my hope is that they do the Knight of the Laughing Tree somehow, as that's one of my favourite parts of the series and it brings Lyanna back into the story.
personally i thought he seemed like an obvious late write-in, without any real trademark foreshadowingIIRC, loads of people suspected Aegon wasn't dead, judging by questions put to Martin back in the day. http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1189/ & http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1106/
You could also argue that his reappearance is foreshadowed in the House of the Undying visions, that story about the dragon inn sign in AFFC etc - but all as a Blackfyre.
― gyac, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 12:15 (1 month ago) Permalink
well what do you know
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 12:35 (1 month ago) Permalink
I don't remember Varys having kidnapped the guy who gelded him in the books, did it happen?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I don't think so. But it was a great moment on the show, so
― mackleless (latebloomer), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
He didn't, but the speech was more or less word for word. It will also make what happens at the end of ADWD less of a shock to the audience in one sense.
― gyac, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 13:15 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I was thinking about the following comment by Matt DC in the other thread:
Pretty much half the dudes in this are idiot manchildren who are in their position purely as a result of stuff their dad did.
If I’m not mistaken, doesn’t a character’s season of birth foreshadow their rectitude? I couldn’t find anything on Wikipedia. Maybe I imagined the relationship?
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 26 April 2013 00:00 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Probably shouldn't search for rectitude on Wikipedia.
― schwantz, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:20 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Seven Hells, the Arya/Gendry shippers are going to go nuts with this episode.
― Hoster Tulleee, Lord of Riverrun, Past Eve and Adam's (Leee), Monday, 29 April 2013 03:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 2 May 2013 18:15 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Any reason that's in the spoiler thread?
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Friday, 3 May 2013 01:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Because George is about to eat him.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 May 2013 01:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Oh right.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Friday, 3 May 2013 01:21 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
so when are we getting the red wedding? is it gonna be the season finale, or
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Monday, 6 May 2013 15:29 (1 week ago) Permalink
penultimate ep
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 6 May 2013 15:45 (1 week ago) Permalink
so lots of divergences last night no? melisandre and whatnot?
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 6 May 2013 18:04 (1 week ago) Permalink
Gendry does fuck all for the rest of the books, right? Might as well get him off the payroll
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 6 May 2013 18:06 (1 week ago) Permalink
in the books gendry kind of disappears and melisandre uses a different king robert bastard for her ritual thing, makes sense to just re-use him instead of introducing another character
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:08 (1 week ago) Permalink
Yeah basically they're reincorporating elements of the character Edric Storm into Gendry and Stannis's daughter Shireen
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 18:14 (1 week ago) Permalink
i was initially Outraged but then immediately i realized it totally didn't matter and actually worked ok. more of the condensing the show is doing to generally good effect.
i ave noticed some comments bout when bran and his gang are going to get wherever they're going. by my guess they will be heading north without getting anywhere for this season, all of next, and at least a good portion of the the 5th. i am very curious about what they are going to do to draw out some arcs the book shelved for a time. theon this season has been a mixed bag already. and are osha and rickon going to fuck off at some point so davos can rescue them from cannibals or some shit?
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:29 (1 week ago) Permalink
someone remind me what prompts osha and rickon to separate off from bran & reeds, i can't remember
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:09 (1 week ago) Permalink
they are separated right away i think? to reduce the chances of losing both potential stark heirs to the same calamity i guess.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:15 (1 week ago) Permalink
i wonder at what point they're going to chop the season, there's probably like 4 episodes worth of stuff that happens after the red wedding so they can't exactly finish the whole book. i thought they were going to stick joffrey's wedding in the finale but then i realized that requires introducing the dornish crew who show up for the wedding and i don't think they are cast yet? i guess maybe they end on stannis heading north, and they could potentially finish arya's storyline, as well as sam's and bran's, without joffrey's wedding happening
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:53 (1 week ago) Permalink
ya i cant imagine they'll do 2 badass weddings this season?
and the whole tyrion-tywin bathroom business
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 6 May 2013 20:00 (1 week ago) Permalink
If they cram all that into this season people who haven't read the books will be so unjustifiably stoked for the epic events of season/book 4 :/
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 6 May 2013 20:01 (1 week ago) Permalink
well yeah theres the whole arc of tyrion taking the blame for joffrey's death which includes viper vs mountain trial by combat, etc. they're clearly pushing most of this off to season 4
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:07 (1 week ago) Permalink
agree there is no way we get joffrey wedding in. the pattern with the first two seasons was the explosion was in the 2nd last episode and then the last one was a bit of an epilogue-y aftermath and obligatory cliffhanger. curious what the cliffhanger will be.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:16 (1 week ago) Permalink
the viper vs mountain thing, i say this a lot, absolute highlight of the entire series for me, crazy thrilling in the book
― max, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:18 (1 week ago) Permalink
cliffhanger will surely be Caetlyn
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:22 (1 week ago) Permalink
curious what the cliffhanger will be.
Mance Rayder's army approaching wall with mammoths, giants, etc
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 20:42 (1 week ago) Permalink
it's gotta be that. they have to be holding off on the mammoths for a reason other than budget.
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 20:43 (1 week ago) Permalink
I'd bet it all on it being catelyn's reanimation. Closes the dondarrion story nearly and you can't kill her, have her body in a river for what viewers will interpret as 10 months, then go through all the events of season 4 before dondarrion showing back up to give his life for a character we've thought was dead for a year now.
Also gives them a chance to start the hunting of the freys path for the brotherhood that took place mainly in the background of the books.
― Clay, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:50 (1 week ago) Permalink
maybe both will get in there, they both make sense. that'd be a doozy to go out on.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:56 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah they'll probably have multiple cliffhangers
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 20:56 (1 week ago) Permalink
i feel like davos's redemption / convincing stannis to head for the wall has to be in the finale, they're already setting it up with having him learn to read. thats one of my fav scenes from the book too even though its kind of small and underwritten compared to the other things going on at the same time
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:59 (1 week ago) Permalink
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, May 6, 2013 4:42 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
this would be lame imo
feel like no one really cares about where mance rayder's army goes atm
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 6 May 2013 22:03 (1 week ago) Permalink
OTOH if it ends with redhaired northling whatshernameagain getting owned that would be pretty huge, feel like they're def building to that now that i think of it
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 6 May 2013 22:04 (1 week ago) Permalink
well she gets killed during that battle in the books, so i'm assuming they're heading there
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 22:08 (1 week ago) Permalink
ya i think they'd have to actually do the battle, not just have ominous approaching, to make that satisfying
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 6 May 2013 22:10 (1 week ago) Permalink
that'll be next year presumably? His story this year's gotta end with him splitting from the wildlings and rejoining the watch.
― Clay, Monday, 6 May 2013 22:11 (1 week ago) Permalink
actually looking at the wiki, yeah I think this season must end with the skirmish b/w the wildling raiders and the skeleton crew at the wall. Just not enough time to build to that big battle and it gives Jon something to do next year.
― Clay, Monday, 6 May 2013 22:14 (1 week ago) Permalink
I just want to see some giants riding mammoths dammit
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 22:18 (1 week ago) Permalink
another question is how much of dany's stuff they are going to cram in. will they settle with the defeat of yunkai or will she get as far as meereen?
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 6 May 2013 22:21 (1 week ago) Permalink
there's only four episodes left! they just started marching to yunkai! remember there's a whole season after this one based mostly on storm of swords' back half so meereen will be most of dany's story in season 4.
― Clay, Monday, 6 May 2013 23:04 (1 week ago) Permalink
― max, Monday, May 6, 2013 4:18 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seconded, i was reading this part in a laundromat and i had to contain myself i wanted to scream 'omg omg omg' so much.
― balls, Monday, 6 May 2013 23:33 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah that's hands down the most intense scene in the books to date
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 May 2013 23:44 (1 week ago) Permalink
You're forgetting the scenes with Ser Pounce in them
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 23:45 (1 week ago) Permalink
thirding viper vs mountain, its one of the best executed rug-pulled-from-under-you scenes in the books
― ciderpress, Monday, May 6, 2013 4:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
thats a fav of mine too
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:52 (1 week ago) Permalink
i feel like the show has criminally underserved davos who is a totally underrated character in the books.
― Clay, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 01:57 (1 week ago) Permalink
agreed
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 02:10 (1 week ago) Permalink
Fourthing viper vs mtn, unforgettable scene that leaves you fucking shaking.
With the show, I'm in a p nice place at this point where between the changes/composites they're making and my faded memory of what actually happens in the books, I'm in just the right amount of suspense.
― Moron Tabernacle Chior (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 03:22 (1 week ago) Permalink
Love the Viper, which makes me think that they'll be saving his fight vs. Mountain to the back half of S4.
I don't think that Cat's going to be shown resurrected this season, because presuming that RW is happening in episode 9, I don't think her return is going to be that powerful if it happens just an episode later. But bugger all if I know of a more logical place for it to take place (maybe we see Nymeria dragging her body from the river)?
QFT.
I thought Davos was a big fan fave in the books?
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 03:50 (1 week ago) Permalink
But yes, he's offscreen far too much on the show. >=(
oh davos might be a big fan fave, idk, i just read them all a year ago and don't know much about what the ~fandom~ hive mind thinks.
― Clay, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:16 (1 week ago) Permalink
Fandom loves Davos, Tyrion, and Arya, thinks Catelyn is the antichrist, and are uncomfortably invested in the relationships between Arya/Gendry, Sansa/Hound, and Jamie/Brienne.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:19 (1 week ago) Permalink
So not only can we be impatient with GRRM for writing so slow, but his publishers for taking their goddamn sweet time too. I remember when I asked about the ADWD paperback at a store in March, they told me it had just been pushed back a fourth(!) time until May. Just went on the B&N website to see that it has now been pushed back again, until October. Jesus.
― i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:21 (1 week ago) Permalink
― Moron Tabernacle Chior (Jon Lewis)
ha this is exactly where i am also, i read the first three books in between season one and season two and it really hampered my ability to enjoy season two. either the changes they made annoyed me (and this is rarely the case) or it was too condensed or they just couldn't pull stuff off on the show ('blackwater' comes to mind). there was also a certain deliberate bleakness in book two, martin making it clear how brutal the war is for the powerless and that knights are generally little more than effective murderers that in the show just gets reduced to so much corny grit. there's also some fleshing out of characters (stannis esp) and backstory stuff that was more easily understood to be missing in an adaptation. this season enough time has passed that i don't mind as much and i think at the same time they've improved enough at adapting that i've either enjoyed the changes or enjoyed seeing how the show has strengthened or brought to life certain aspects of the book (snow and ygritte esp).
― balls, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:37 (1 week ago) Permalink
was joffrey a weird murder-sex perv in the books? thats a big change in characterization i think
― max, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 10:54 (1 week ago) Permalink
I don't think he was shown doing anything quite that horrible, but it's not really much of a stretch.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:05 (1 week ago) Permalink
idk! hes clearly shown to be a horrible kid but hes also pretty clearly just a fucked up kid w/ father issues and too much power, not like a budding sex murderer
― max, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:07 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah, in the books I think there's more of a sense of his sadistic tendencies belonging to a spoiled and cruel child, where the series has gone for the full-blown psychopath. idk, i kind of feel like making his lack of empathy congenital is a bit of a waste, e.g. you lose the motivation for him deciding to have Bran killed, which in the books is about wanting to fulfil his father's wishes. His relationship with his mother also seems different -- in the books there's much less of the sense that she's ever attempted to be a restraining hand, but the series makes a big deal of him threatening her for getting in his way.
I used to think that the characterisation change was partly a result of the ageing-up and so the need to deal with adolescent development in a different way (which i think kind of explains some of the Robb-Talisa story, given the jeyne westerling stuff is supposed to happen when he's sixteen but in the show he'll be 18 by then and given the super-sexy treatment it'd take a lot of explaining if an 18-year-old king surrounded by camp followers for 2 years was that kind of romantically/sexually naive). but joffrey isn't aged up by more than a year, so. i guess it's just "incest corrupts the mind" + "this is what a psychopath looks like on television"
― snapchats and tattoos (c sharp major), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:16 (1 week ago) Permalink
totally, well put
― max, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:22 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah i'll admit that i was a lil taken aback at the whole crossbow thing---i remember him being cruel, but not delighting in cruelty a la the bastard
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 13:33 (1 week ago) Permalink
ionoman we don't get any POV closeups but iirc it's p clear from day 1 that IT'S A GOOD LIFE is playing 24/7 in king's landing once lil joff gets his crown
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 14:50 (1 week ago) Permalink
Ha that's true
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:16 (1 week ago) Permalink
in the books sansa was to be wed to some random tyrell cousin, right? also i don't recall cersei being told to marry loras
― diamonddave85, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:20 (1 week ago) Permalink
loras's brother. another sensible write-out/merge, actually adds to the pathos of it
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:22 (1 week ago) Permalink
loras was already in the kingsguard at that point, so it wouldn't have been an option - cersei's marriage to someone is suggested though iirc
sansa thought for a second she was going to be wed to loras and then margaery was all "haha no silly he can't marry anyone, we want you to marry my older brother willas, he is sweet and gentle and likes puppies and can't walk due to a riding accident"
― snapchats and tattoos (c sharp major), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:23 (1 week ago) Permalink
Loras was like the third son, and outside of cock, mainly interested in serving in the Kings Guard, so no marriage intrigue there. Sansa was to marry one of his else brothers, who happened to be lame in a leg but smarter than most of the Tyrells.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:25 (1 week ago) Permalink
I wanted her to marry Willas, I think that might have been her only chance not to end up with a horrible life.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:26 (1 week ago) Permalink
i wanted her to elope with the hound
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:28 (1 week ago) Permalink
i did too kinda
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:29 (1 week ago) Permalink
You guys are my sworn enemies.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:30 (1 week ago) Permalink
getting rid of all that crap with the drunk knight was definitely a good move
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:53 (1 week ago) Permalink
The weird thing is that they introduced him right at the beginning of S2, but then he never came back as far as I know (haven't seen any of S3 yet).
― Moodles, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:59 (1 week ago) Permalink
Dontos is supposed to make a return - maybe next series?
― gyac, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:01 (1 week ago) Permalink
surely it'd be quite a significant departure if they dropped the Alayne Stone story entirely -- I'm kind of curious how they'd manage to do it given how much they've decided to have Varys know.
― snapchats and tattoos (c sharp major), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:08 (1 week ago) Permalink
Varys could likely have known all that though - he doesn't give a shit because it suited his agenda. The problem is the Lannisters knowing.
― gyac, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:12 (1 week ago) Permalink
is the lorays being gay stuff ever made explicit in the books at all?
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:25 (1 week ago) Permalink
IIRC there's no actual sex scene but multiple ppl talk about Renly and Loras boning
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:27 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah, it's not on screen but it's implied many times. i think one of the main differences in their sexual relationship is that in the books margaery never actually joins the two for a menage? it's just 'joked' about?
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:31 (1 week ago) Permalink
i dont see why they would drop the alayne arc, it would happen next season anyway, sansa escapes right after joffrey's wedding
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 17:25 (1 week ago) Permalink
Looking at the upcoming ep titles is interesting to guess where they'll end up re books 3/4407 Bear and the Maiden Fair - Jaime rescues Brienne (or maybe doesn't manage to, I can see her vanishing after this season since you don't necessarily need her for the Catelyn reveal, and her death would spur Jaime to straighten up?), also Yunkai arrival, Tyrion/Sansa408 Second Sons - ref. to Jeoffrey-Tommen / Tyrion-Jaime / the mercenary group defending Yunkai409 Rains of Castermere - ref. to Tywin's ruthlessness, so Red Wedding410 Mhysa - 'mother', taking of Yunkai, Arya bails for Braavos, Catelyn reveal which pays off all the resurrection stuff with the Bros., maybe even Jeoffrey's wedding as cliffhangerNo idea where the Wall stuff falls in this sequence
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:37 (1 week ago) Permalink
ya 409 will almost certainly be red-wed
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
i get nervous just thinking about it tbh
which episode do you think they'll have the ten minute scene of Theon's genitals getting mutilated
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:40 (1 week ago) Permalink
Oh man I know, enough already with that. I know torture porn is inherently medieval but damn
More I think about it, 410: Jeoffrey dies, Tyrion accused, Tommen as king with Cersei, Jaime arrives
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:43 (1 week ago) Permalink
tvguide type synopses -
407 Bear and the Maiden Fair - Dany exchanges gifts with a slave lord outside of Yunkai. As Sansa frets about her prospects, Shae chafes at Tyrion's new situation. Tywin counsels the king, and Melisandre reveals a secret to Gendry. Brienne faces a formidable foe in Harrenhal.
408 Second Sons - King's Landing hosts a wedding, and Tyrion and Sansa spend the night together. Dany meets the Titan's Bastard. Davos demands proof from Melisandre. Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman.
409 Rains of Castermere - Robb presents himself to Walder Frey, and Edmure meets his bride. Jon faces his harshest test yet. Bran discovers a new gift. Daario and Jorah debate how to take Yunkai. House Frey joins with House Tully.
410 Mhysa - Joffrey challenges Tywin. Bran tells a ghost story. In Dragonstone, mercy comes from strange quarters. Dany waits to see if she is a conqueror or a liberator.
― balls, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:44 (1 week ago) Permalink
Robb presents himself to Walder Frey - heh
― balls, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:45 (1 week ago) Permalink
man i hope they don't let us on to shae's betrayal beforehand
― balls, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:46 (1 week ago) Permalink
Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman.
haha
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:46 (1 week ago) Permalink
i love how deliberately understated these are! 'House Frey joins with House Tully'
'Bran tells a ghost story' in Mother episode - something to do with zombie cat?
i would guess the next episode is where the boltons have their proper coming out party as villains
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:49 (1 week ago) Permalink
This is the society-column proper-etiquette version of events
'Tyrion makes a point to Tywin'
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:53 (1 week ago) Permalink
"Joffrey challenges Tywin" will be the "sharp lesson" scene which should be excellent.
― Clay, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:54 (1 week ago) Permalink
"meeting an older gentlemen" was kinda reminding me of the first 1/3 of Dostoevsky novels where it's all just gossiping about archaic social niceties
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:55 (1 week ago) Permalink
jawn snuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
― am0n, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:57 (1 week ago) Permalink
lol
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 21:03 (1 week ago) Permalink
'Bran tells a ghost story' in Mother episode
― gyac, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 21:20 (1 week ago) Permalink
Dany exchanges gifts with a slave lord outside of Yunkai.
Maybe SHE'S the one who drops the deuce???
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:27 (1 week ago) Permalink
haw
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:47 (1 week ago) Permalink
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:13 (1 week ago) Permalink
well we have psycho ramsay revealed ahead of time and it'll be bolton's own men rather than the mummers that put the maiden in with the bear, so i think things have accelerated somewhat on that front
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:28 (1 week ago) Permalink
roose is pretty clearly shown to be Not A Good Guy in this last episode, when he lets jaime go
― max, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:30 (1 week ago) Permalink
Yeah but even so, big diff between "Not A Good Guy Who's Out For Himself" and "Not A Good Guy Who Makes Cloaks From The Skins Of Small Children".
I'm looking forward to the Boltons coming to the fore as baddies-in-chief for the series.
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 16:34 (1 week ago) Permalink
I haven't read the books; are the practical aspects of winter coming addressed at all? Like are there any voices of reason going "hey maybe we should all be focusing on stockpiling food rather than fighting wars, since we won't be able to grow crops for years on end" ?
Or am I misunderstanding how seasons work in this fantasy world.
― Dan I., Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:27 (1 week ago) Permalink
not really since most of the characters are aristocratic and it's not as much of an issue for them. the 4th book actually has a bit of a subtheme in it of examining the effects of the war on the common people of westeros, not sure if any of that is going to make it into the tv series though
― ciderpress, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:31 (1 week ago) Permalink
there is a lot of frowning about crops being ruined and not being ready for winter, but it is on the superficial side
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:34 (1 week ago) Permalink
fortunately there is a long lasting supply of carefully preserved dead human flesh making its way south, under its own power incredibly, like a morbid ice cream truck of anthropophagy
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:37 (1 week ago) Permalink
that would be a good direction for the series to take as it draws to a close
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
also yeah it's sort of implied that the threat of the coming winter is the white walkers returning, not the climate. the adult characters in the show have lived through a couple 'normal' winters which apparently aren't that bad. there's even some descriptions in the book about e.g. how winterfell is built on top of a big hot spring and thus has a natural heating system that keeps it nice in the winter
― ciderpress, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:41 (1 week ago) Permalink
there was a scene at the beginning of S2 where they officially announced the end of summer and how long of a winter could be endured in King's Landing given the amount of stockpiles they had
― Moodles, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:34 (1 week ago) Permalink
i have a friend who couldnt get over this when she was reading it, she was like "winter is coming for YEARS and everyone is running around burning all the crops, they're all so fucked!"
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:36 (1 week ago) Permalink
iirc the thing is that any head wise enough to be more concerned by crops than crowns has been cut off by the end of book 2
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:45 (1 week ago) Permalink
also yeah it's sort of implied that the threat of the coming winter is the white walkers returning
― ciderpress, Thursday, May 9, 2013
huh? no one even believes in "white walkers"
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:46 (1 week ago) Permalink
i think cider is right, there is portent or superstition about winter and "winter is coming" that is not just meteorological, even if no one actually believes in the others specifically.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:55 (1 week ago) Permalink
I haven't read the books; are the practical aspects of winter coming addressed at all? Like are there any voices of reason going "hey maybe we should all be focusing on stockpiling food rather than fighting wars, since we won't be able to grow crops for years on end" ?Or am I misunderstanding how seasons work in this fantasy world.i have a friend who couldnt get over this when she was reading it, she was like "winter is coming for YEARS and everyone is running around burning all the crops, they're all so fucked!"― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, May 9, 2013 10:36 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, May 9, 2013 10:36 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Spot on tbh. For a series which has made such a huge deal out of "like fantasy but REAL" to ignore this point would be a massive mis-step. Can only assume that this is going to become a major plot point in The Winds Of Winter, particularly given how fond GRRM seems to be of getting bogged down in tedious detail these days. But I suppose there's also always a chance that the economic, social and agricultural realities of a decades-long winter will get ignored and focus will instead be given to Daenaerys and the Dragons vs the White Walkers
I also agree that "Winter is coming" / the aura surrounding winter in these novels has always implied more than simply the risk of heavy snowfall.
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:58 (1 week ago) Permalink
also, there is too much ~symbolism~ with the seasons for the series to end in winter. something magical will happen and spring will arrive before shit gets too real i am sure, although i am sure there will be some food shortage drama at least alluded to along the way.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:02 (1 week ago) Permalink
Heartbreakingly withered neeps
― Moron Tabernacle Chior (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:32 (1 week ago) Permalink
LOL. i suppose there are always olives growing somewhere, it'll be okay.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
Spot on tbh. For a series which has made such a huge deal out of "like fantasy but REAL" to ignore this point would be a massive mis-step. Can only assume that this is going to become a major plot point in The Winds Of Winter, particularly given how fond GRRM seems to be of getting bogged down in tedious detail these days.
It's not ignored at all. House Tyrell controls the majority of the food supply in Westeros. The Crown is severely indebted to the point they have foreign debt-collectors after them, which would severely impact their ability to import food from elsewhere. Jaime advises peasants to try for one last harvest. There's a lot of talk about the Vale having a huge granary and basically untouched supplies. Etc.
― gyac, Friday, 10 May 2013 00:00 (1 week ago) Permalink
I never bought into Jaime's redemption from the books -- for whatever reason, it felt superficial -- but I have to admit that NCW is making it real for me in a big way.
God damn, creeping closer to the RW. Wonder if Talisa was really writing to her mum.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Monday, 13 May 2013 05:16 (6 days ago) Permalink
Are we to assume Theon is now sans penis? He only lost a couple of fingers in the books right?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 09:14 (5 days ago) Permalink
Heavily implied that he has been castrated in the later books iirc. In fact, probably slightly more than implied, he just never actually mentions it explicitly.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 09:50 (5 days ago) Permalink
"reek, reek, my name is reek, rhyme with no dick"
― Jibe, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 14:56 (5 days ago) Permalink
― am0n, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:03 (5 days ago) Permalink
yeah in the books i didn't really buy into jaime's arc until the end of book 4 when he threw cersei's plea for help into the fire, they're setting him up to be likable a lot earlier in the show though
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:07 (5 days ago) Permalink