So it seemed like a few people on ILX did not like Tiny Furniture, but I did, I like Lena and I am really anticipating GIRLS. No doubt we'll talk about all this here as we anticipate the show and all try to look smart (I'm smart, btw).
― killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess we can talk about this too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/lena-dunham-weight_n_1321414.html
Obviously that story itself is not interesting or special (jn fact it is idiotic), but it does raise some larger questions worth considering although goodness knows we should be more evolved than this by now
― killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
Wanna be appalled? go to the criterion forum and read the Tiny Furniture thread. Total fanboy meltdown.
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok i just read a few pages of this^ and suddenly i want to become her biggest champion
― althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
(i haven't seen anything she's done tho)
― althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
still haven't seen tiny furniture; need to get on that. read two paragraphs of that story about the complaint about her weight. couldn't read any further.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
criterion fandorks who complain about WHY ARE THEY RELEASING X FILM AND NOT Y?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE = shut up shut up shut up you are the fucking worst
― althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
I didn't really care for Tiny Furniture on the whole. Lena Dunham seemed like someone who's talented but (unsurprisingly) a little too solipsistic to adequately wield her talent. I'll give her show a shot in the hope that she's matured a bit.
― Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tiny furniture is one of those movies with about zero sympathetic characters. And I really couldn't figure out if I was actually supposed to think that or not.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I liked Tiny Furniture and am looking forward to this show.
― polyphonic, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I agree completely, chinavision. And I think Dunham was at least canny enough for that to have been intentional. I just don't think she was canny enough to make the overall experience appealing or thought-provoking enough for me to like the film.
― Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
I do want to give her props on a number of fronts. I just can't give her props for cohering those fronts into a particularly good movie.
― Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
totally dug tiny furniture
― max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.
guardian interview - http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/mar/23/lena-dunham-tiny-furniture-emma-brockes
― just sayin, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://nymag.com/print/?/arts/tv/features/girls-lena-dunham-2012-4/
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 11:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.
the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
the pipe scene was the clincher
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, agreed.the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad
― ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
"In the street?""No, worse than that"
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)
― surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho
― surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
twice actually!
― surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?
haha me too
i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
"WKIW", as I believe you say
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
the character, not lena i mean
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".
its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.
xxp
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich
I never really understand the "ugh, why would i want to watch something about rich people" criticism. I like to watch things about all kinds of people. I'm not rich btw
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.
That being the case, I almost wish it had been less self-aware and more just a document of 23/24-ness. She probably had more awareness of how ridiculous people are at that age than most people do when they actually are that age, but it still didn't seem like a terribly high level of awareness.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
am i automatically supposed to give a shit about poor people but not about rich people
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've also heard the opposite argument, the why-make-art-out-of-other-people's poverty argument that seems to suggest ALL films should be about people who are at LEAST of the same social status as the filmmaker/potential audience, which is deeply weird.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's interesting that a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege translates to some as a demand for an apology or a lack of desire to see a movie about rich people. Kinda not the same thing at all.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think its really 'self-aware' but not entirely self-critical, like these are the worst impulses and decisions and stuff but its not about how terrible its just like, this is how it is
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
OTM. Although the attempt might be horrifyingly absorbing.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average. she leaps head on into being working poor. Having the puffy white cloud of conditional support beneath you is nice, but her story seems to be about what happens when you've always had gentle hands carrying you everywhere and then the palanquin stops and you gotta figure out how to be a grown up.the "I feel like I'm entering a really exiting period in my life right now" / "What are you talking about? Everything you own is in garbage bags on my kitchen floor" joke is very much dead on with my experience during that time and feels pretty real. sure it's privileged, but she's hyperaware of it and seems to be primed to make good stories within that space
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege
i mean i think there are lots of parts of 'tiny furniture'/what ive seen of 'girls' thats really aware of how privileged some of the characters are but they maybe still dont know what that means, how they should deal with their comparative privilege not knowing the right tone to strike or pose to take or w/e like knowing w/o really understanding, being 22
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
^
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
as a guy who DID move back home with his parents after college i suspect i'll find things to sympathize with here
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't think that it's about rich vs. poor, it's about the stakes being so small that Tiny Furniture/Lost In Translation/etc. wind up being about "this is how it is" for the overprivileged. Which is just not a very interesting story to tell.
I loved 'Wendy & Lucy,' which is also kind of "this is how it is" (you could criticize Michelle Williams's character's choices and how it all could have been easily avoided, etc.) but there's real shit going on there.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average.
(will totally cop to being a Stalinist about the wealthy, fwiw)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
I will allow for the possibility that I didn't particularly care for the movie in large part because it's so grueling to watch people in their early 20s wrestle with the inherent douchebaggery of being in one's early 20s.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Have said elsewhere that my response to Metropolitan after 30 minutes was "nuke them all from orbit," Tiny Furniture was not this bad.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's about the stakes being so small
'what is a life worth?'
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get your point max but I guess it really depends on how much the filmmaker has a public presence that forms part of the conversation around the film. Obviously with LD that is a factor, but not every artist fits neatly into some social or economic type and it always seems like a much bigger deal than it should be. If you only make work about who you are and where you are from, you can easily turn that into an examination of identity or you can just come across as totally self-absorbed. I think it is to Lena Dunham's credit that folks ITT seem split on that question.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
"anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average."basing this on the promo language where she asks her parents for 1100 a month for the next two years to get on her feet and they straight up laugh at her; the rich would shrug and put up with that shit methinksanyways, i'm talking about a show I haven't seen yet; I should shut up until I see the pilot.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Didn't love W&L, but otherwise this is OTM.
in any case, she is hella primed to be A BIG THING and a VOICE OF THE MILLENNIAL GENERATION and i am curious to see how she/this holds up to broad scrutinyanything's better than miranda fucking july
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
OTM
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
TRUTH. BOMB.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don't know enough about Kelly Reichardt to know if she has experience of being young and broke in nu-recession America, but I'm going to assume not.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
― og (admrl), Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh yeah i agree with this
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Is Louis cK "richer" than Lena Dunham? Is he really more "self-aware" or is he just much harder on himself? He's also much older of course and balder and fatter
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
louis ck is now hella richalso balder fatter and more penis endowed
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
why the pootie tang royalties alone
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
He certainly doesn't portray himself as being rich though
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
xpost
Endowed him with more penis?
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
more penis than lena presumably
doubling back on that promo joke, i love that it looks like her parents have taken her out to dinner to tell her the support teat has been tapped; that's such a privilege moment.some of my redneck friends just came home and found their shit in bags by the trailer park door and the folks said happy birthday and good luck out there
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
In the first season when the school bus breaks down he gets each kid their own limo.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha, forgot about that
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Lena Dunham's life of privilege is no less interesting to me than Larry David's or James Bond's or etc.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
Novel James Bond was a rough, poor kid who found it difficult to interact with polite society IIRC
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
nevermind privelege, "the lives of young people in NYC" is a pretty tapped vein, were you guys this pumped about How To Make It In America?
― ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
"pumped" is a bit strong, but I haven't seen How To Make It In America. Was it funny? Tiny Furniture was pretty funny.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont think people are psyched about girls because theyre psyched to see another depiction of the lives of young people in nyc
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
How To Make It was about as funny as the early Entourage seasons, with a different kind of name-dropping.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't much about How to Make It in America. For a long time I thought it was a crime story but apparently it's about fashion?
― polyphonic, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
two young guys from Brooklyn want to be designer/entrepeneurs, so they fail miserably at selling skateboards and then at making jeans and then one of them bangs Gina Gershon and there's a chance for success and then the series gets cancelled
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Luis Guzman was probably the saving grace of the whole affair as an ex-con who actually starts a successful, normal business selling energy drinks
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
wow, this sounds bad
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
imagine Entourage if Vince wanted to be Michael Kors instead of Brad Pitt and was still doing commercials and waiting tables
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
number of GIRLS on the GIRLS talk thread = 0
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm lurking.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i count at least 2 in the first few posts?
― some dude, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, horseshoe made one post. I stand corrected. (Donna is not a GIRL, btw)
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i been done fooled
― some dude, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
i figure you're all girls unless your display name starts "Mr."
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
and they think they know how girls talkgirls talk, girls talk
― buzza, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am gonna make BOYS, it's gonna be all about an English guy in LA and his basic middle-class post grad school life.
Actually I think it would be great if I had the time to make it.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
isn't their a current buzz band named girls too, not sure if the world is big enough tbh
― lag∞n, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
i liked the first 10mins of tiny furniture but then i turned it off cause i cant deal w/that level of embarrassment
― lag∞n, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm also lurking. i am putting off watching tiny furniture because i assume i'm going to really like it and then feel like it's very important for me to defend it on ilx and embarrass myself etc.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
don't be embarassed
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
So much embarrassment itt.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
its a good movie horseshoe you should just go ahead and watch it, its p self aware and privileged or w/e
― lag∞n, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i've softened a bit on tiny furniture. it's not without its charms. there's something about dunham as a performer too, where at first you think you're not gonna like her but you end up finding her pretty compelling. not interested in Girls but i'll probably give it a shot
the comparison to whit stillman is interesting because the milieu of eg. Metropolitan is certainly as alien to me (though the place & time of the movie is also intentionally obscured) as the one in tiny furniture, yet Metropolitan is a movie i can relate to far more easily than TF - on a broad level the group dynamics in it are just so well observed that it hits that sweet spot of feeling universal without being generic (and maybe being about boys put it more in my wheelhouse too)
i dont think i could argue that tiny furniture is less well observed, because im not in a position to know, but it was definitely less relevant to my life
― max, Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:20 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
i think that's certainly why they're cynical about it though (its why i am anyway)
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
i tried metropolitan expecting to like it and turned it off after like fifteen minutes as utterly unredeemablei tried tiny furniture expecting to dislike it and ended up being shocked at how good it was
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
how to make it in america was pretty crummy (in a bland way, not in the way entourage made you feel that it was necessary for civilization that beverly hills be bombed), but it did lead to this:
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
heh the first 15-20 mins of tiny furniture are a real trial by fire imo - once you get past that it starts to get a bit better
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
that guzman video has moments of pleasure in it for sure
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
the 15 mins of 'how to make it america' i watched seemed like the same empty vodka ad fantasy-world that lots of other nyc shows inhabit for all their privilege the characters in 'tiny furniture' are occupying a more realistic and observed world
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i agree though i did find it funny that hbo was clearly pushing how to make it and now girls as replacements for entourage and sexcity when neither are appealing as lifestyle fantasies in the slightest, which is the aspect that kept people watching their predecessors long past their primes
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, April 5, 2012 4:53 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh yeah, sure, i was just calling out al's (intentional?) point-missing
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
admrl can i be in your show??
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
the same empty vodka ad fantasy-world
love this description
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
of course!
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i tried metropolitan expecting to like it and turned it off after like fifteen minutes as utterly unredeemable
Watch the whole movie, it's dope.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
man i just i dunno
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
― max, Thursday, April 5, 2012 5:10 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
oh yeah it was pretty intentional. but seriously at this point any new york-based artist whose art is primarily about being a starving artist in new york can jump in a well afaic
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
food in there
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
also other artists, so warm
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know no-one was waiting for a sincere & impassioned defence of miranda july's work itt but:
But it would’ve been more repulsive if I was like, “Okay, I’m going to have her work in a prison, because that will make her gritty and likeable.” That’s playing it safe, to make everyone likeable and a good person, you know? I think it’s more interesting if you go all the way with the world you have, and really look at it, and push it to an even more extreme extreme. So I guess that’s my answer. But then I don’t have the same relationship to those characters that a critic would, because I wrote them, and they come from things that matter to me.
she said this about the future, in response to criticism of it solely depicting the angst of handsome metropolitan white liberals, & it's otm i think. i can't correlate between filmmaker circumstances & films in class terms - & it ignores the i think pretty broad correlation between higher-class filmmakers having made a lot of the key depictions of lower-class living in cinema (particularly british & neo-realist stuff iirc) - but yeah i can't understand automatic disdain for something that doesn't feel earthy enough.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Friday, 6 April 2012 10:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
the 2nd ep of this show is called "Vagina Panic" fyi
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2012 11:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't really give a fuck if the subjects of someone's fiction are suitably earthy or working class or whatever, I'm just tired of the world bowing down everytime someone finds a slightly insightful new way to say "student loans, amirite?"
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 12:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
like honestly, i think it's great that navel-gazing meditations on urban bohemia have made great creative strides since Reality Bites, but that was gonna happen no matter what with all those monkeys typing away about the same subject
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 12:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
it is hard, turning on the tv and its like non-stop navel-gazing mediations on urban bohemia
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 12:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
*throws tv down well*
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 12:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
so glad I had cable taken out and my antenna gets nothing
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 April 2012 12:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
max you've got new york goggles on you don't even notice this stuff do you
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
no! i mean, really! how many shows on tv are "navel-gazing meditations on urban bohemia" right now!
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
i kinda think you may have internet goggles on where you think that "the world" is "bowing down" to "insightful new ways to say 'student loans'"
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean, replace some dude's "the world" with the more accurate "whatever phrase means 'Tumblr whites' that won't cause a 30 post clusterfuck," and he's as otm as otm gets
― #yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
just for that i will raise a glass to you sir and ruefully say "tumblr whites, man"
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
where do you guys hang out online?! seriously i actually *like* most tumblr whites and you guys are more expert in the stuff theyre doing than i am
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY TO MAKE IT SO, WHINEY, 'TUMBLR WHITES' WILL NEVER BE A THING OTHER PEOPLE SAY. And if it becomes so, may god have mercy on your soul.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
― max, Friday, April 6, 2012 9:09 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
i'm not literally saying Lena Dunham is on the cover of Time Magazine, afaik it's only Forks Monthly that is calling her the voice of her generation
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
then what are we talking about here
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm just shooting the shit
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
once this airs tho the forks monthly circulation is gonna skyrocket
i mean, unless it bombs like 'how to make it..' but i expect it to be at least like competant
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, April 6, 2012 9:19 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
some dude just said it :)
― #yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i mean 'tumblr whites' is totally a thing on ilx at this point, and whiney's use of it isn't that much less sarcastic than anyone else's
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
okay i really liked tiny furniture
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
what'd you think
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things
yeah, i mean, i definitely thought it was funny but in addition to being a portrait of early-life blunderings, as someone upthread put it, i thought it was about women and work and ambition. the scene where dunham's character actually explains the film's title was the scene where i realized how much i liked the movie. the observation about her female friends in college getting really into baking and then making tiny furniture. that's a real thing.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess if people's critique about her privilege is how dare she take the problems of people that rich seriously, i can't argue, but i find the suggestion that she's unaware of her own/the character's privilege absurd; i mean, look at her mother's apartment! also the way charlotte is like, i've been using my dad's credit card all week. also a million other moments.
on the other hand, my sister, who also really liked tiny furniture, is annoyed that there don't seem to be any brown girls in the cast of girls. i'm reserving judgment.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
also the dunhamy thing she does that i had read about before (maybe in the new yorker profile?) where she unflinchingly portrays her character's utter humiliation at times in her attempts to connect with dudes, i love that. it doesn't seem punishing, just honest. the way she uses her body, both comedically and pathetically. that people would complain that there's a woman whose body is insufficiently sexy onscreen (if i'm to take the huffpo piece seriously, which i don't know) is of course totally unsurprising but also exactly point-missing.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
also she was just great at the whit stillman/chris eigeman q&a after the screening of last days of disco last night.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think i'm done.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i do find that her comic persona has grown on me, her semi-deadpan reactions to an endless procession of humiliation. the scene where her sister is yelling at her and she's just sort of mildly wacking her with a spoon killed me
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
i find the suggestion that she's unaware of her own/the character's privilege absurd; i mean, look at her mother's apartment!
But I think that was Dunham's mother's actual apartment, just as that's Dunham's actual mother and actual sister in the movie. That blurred line between the fiction of the film and Dunham's actual life is a lot of what makes me question her distance from and awareness of her character's privilege.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 6 April 2012 14:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha yeah that was great. "stop hitting me! it doesn't hurt!"
xp i don't see how making a film in her mother's own apartment means that she's not aware her mother has a lot of money?
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
she's found a way to show people having unpleasant and unenjoyable sex where the men are doofuses and the women are entirely unclear as to how they got into this situation without slut shaming which is pretty clever imo
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
question her distance from the character, sure.
xp
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
that works kinda as a non xpost too
Yeah, her comic persona was one of the things I pointedly liked about the movie, which is why I'm willing to give Girls a chance. She seems a'ight, generally speaking.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 6 April 2012 14:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm just tired of the world bowing down everytime someone finds a slightly insightful new way to say "student loans, amirite?"
haha i thought the problem was that 'tiny furniture'/'girls' is pointedly NOT about the sort of ppl who have student loans
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
well like i said, i was just shooting the shit and have seen like <10 mins of the movie. people can feed the troll if they like but i'm happy to duck out of the thread and not defend my tangent any further at least until i see an episode of the show or something.
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
it is really not your kind of movie, i think, al.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
How did enjoying a movie and discussing filmmaker's next project become "pumped" and "bowing down"?
As for " student loans", well yeah just like Lena Dunham maybe they are mentioned a lot, but only by certain people and not in the context they should be.
― og (admrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 14:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
whiney's stamp of approval is def a sign i went too far with the hyperbole, sorry for the loaded language
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
:(
― #yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
i understand exactly where sd and whiney are coming from in their distaste for the thing they describe, but after a point you just gotta judge things on their own merits
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorry to whiney for sneak dissin
buying flowers for everybody here
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah word hungry
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
where she unflinchingly portrays her character's utter humiliation at times in her attempts to connect with dudes, i love that. it doesn't seem punishing, just honest
yeah this is really good and like really the whole point, i mean the show is called 'girls' and i think this is really the best, the most honest and funny, stuff in the movie too? like the maybe cliched 'post-collegiate search for purpose and identity' stuff is p inextricably mixed up in this kind of sexual and romantic flailing? which i mean '2 broke girls exists' but its really dishonest and terrible so
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
exactly, fucking whitney cummings is evil and this is antidoteit is bemusing how they're presenting this as sex and the city for youngsters and it looks anything but
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
but again, i should follow al's lead and shut the fuck up until i actually see the dumb thing
let's hold hands and shut the fuck up together
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean it's definitely the gender stuff that matters to me. i think the work/ambition strand is of a piece with that though. it's not like "everybody young is searching" it's more specifically about a paralysis women of a certain privilege experience wrt work, in part because they haven't been acculturated to valuing their own labor, taking making money as a goal, etc.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i can see how that would be deeply irritating to some people, but again, i think it's real.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Lamp, Friday, April 6, 2012 11:08 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this stuff reminds me of some m*mblec*ore flicks (thinking 'hannah takes the stairs'), tho it's played less explicitly & not really for laughs. also, i feel like greta gerwig in that & others rec'd similar crit @ the time (can't act; only cast cuz shes v embracing of nudity, etc)
idk what my point is, just sayin
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Just FYI, I will not be "embracing nudity" in BOYS.
― og (admrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
the other thing is obv the mumblecore ones are lacking the sheen of privilege basically entirely & ppl seem to find them MORE detestable lol
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha im one of the feel ppl on ilx whod got to bat for 'hannah takes the stairs' but i think its a lot more exterior than 'tiny furniture', less interested in hannah as a person than hannah as an idea? its probably guiltier of the kind of post-collegiate ennui cliches as well
horseshoe yah i think its really all of a piece if for no other reason than dunham as a whole is so indivisible the ideas she has about girlhood and adulthood and class and sex are totally bound up in her weird family dynamic and who she is as a person. i think this helps w/ the sort of 'voice of generation' cuz theres lots of different xps/things to relate to in her work but also helps her rise above cliche because she can describe these things in a personal language somewhat free of quotation marks or w/e
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's more specifically about a paralysis women of a certain privilege experience wrt work, in part because they haven't been acculturated to valuing their own labor, taking making money as a goal, etc.
I weep for them.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
i expect this to be really good. I liked tiny furniture. I'm really impressed with LD, I think she's a great writer and a good director particularly considering how young she was when she made that film.
― akm, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.theawl.com/2012/04/talking-to-lena-dunham-about-being-a-girl
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
You said that "Girls" was untitled for a long time. I read that a friend had joked that it was the “Entitled Lena Dunham Project.”
He was like, “change one letter!” When I first told him, he thought that I had said “entitled,” and he made me a tiny sign for my door, it was the funniest thing ever, that said the “Entitled Lena Dunham Project.”
Do you think that people think that about you? That you’re entitled?
I’ve definitely heard that critique of the movie, and a little bit of the show, less though since it’s clear that the character is having a financial struggle.
The thing about Tiny Furniture is it was a character who moved home to what looked to be a luxury New York apartment. Although it’s funny, when a friend came over, she said, "It looks a lot nicer in the movie." My DP worked some magic to make the whole thing look whiter, crisper and larger.
But that said, I think that people don’t always love seeing a certain kind of privilege shown on screen, even if the creator is self-aware about it, which I tried to be. I tried to make it clear that this character was not necessarily appreciative of all she’d been given, and that all she’d been given wasn’t necessarily a gift, because it prevented her from having a work ethic and it prevented her from other things.
I hope that there’s room in our society for an exploration of class in that way that goes beyond. I like a movie like Raising Victor Vargas, that’s one version of New York, but I think there’s also room for a movie about the kids who grew up taking too many different kinds of piano and dance lessons in Tribeca. I hope that the artistic landscape can accommodate all of that and that I’ve approached it in a way that’s self-aware enough that people know where I’m coming from. But of course there will always be detractors and I was prepared for that. Sometimes I’m my own detractor.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
lena dunham responds to thread basically
That’s an interesting question. I don’t think that anybody looks at me and says, "she looks amazing and I want to be that lady," but I think that there’s a thing that people trying to present their own experience, there’s a little bit of “who told you you were allowed to do this and why do you think we’re interested?” phenomenon, which I completely understand, although I think that people challenge women more who want to tell their own story.
Nobody challenges why they want to watch Larry David at lunch. You know why you want to watch Larry David at lunch: Cause he’s fucking hilarious and it’s amazing to watch him at lunch. You don’t care that he’s mean to his friends and lives in a giant house, it’s just interesting, and I think that women often have to make more excuses for why they want to portray themselves. I used to always apologize, to say, I’m so sorry for bringing misogyny up, but I’m going to stop apologizing for bringing it up, because we all know it’s real.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Love the creative class entitlement that assumes everyone can watch tv during lunch
― #yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
hah
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, April 6, 2012 12:28 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
doth protest
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
uh
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
can't everybody watch tv on their phones now? i might be wrong about this, still have a flip phone.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
fuckin chinese hipster factory cafeteria
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am at least w/ her abt the show "baggage", as described, sounds incredible
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha i just thought in the intvw jordan quotes shes talking about how like half of 'curb your enthusiams' scenes take place over lunch at expensive restaurants not about her eating lunch while she watches the show
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is what she was talking about
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
the "half of 'curb your enthusiams' scenes take place over lunch at expensive restaurants" part
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha i guess that makes more sense!
― #yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Love the creative class entitlement that assumes everyone can watch tv during lunch― #yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten)
I know you're trolling but i think the implication is "watch Larry David at lunch", not you're at lunch watching the showxp fuck it nevermind
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol whiney
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw, whiney, i think it might mean that larry's at lunch not the viewer, ever thought of that
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol i thought whiney was joking
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
"I hope that there’s room in our society for an exploration of class in that way that goes beyond. I like a movie like Raising Victor Vargas, that’s one version of New York, but I think there’s also room for a movie about the kids who grew up taking too many different kinds of piano and dance lessons in Tribeca. I hope that the artistic landscape can accommodate all of that and that I’ve approached it in a way that’s self-aware enough that people know where I’m coming from. But of course there will always be detractors and I was prepared for that. Sometimes I’m my own detractor."
^^^ this is sort of a funny thing to say -- its absolutely true but its weird that she doesnt acknowledge that the artistic landscape of new york stories is probably more biased towards the too-many-lessons kids than the victor vargases of the world. which shd be apparent in part because the first example of a movie about non-privileged kids in nyc she can think of is like 10 years old
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait a second, what if it's LARRY at lunch and not the viewermakes u think
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
See, I think this just comes down to a disagreement about storytelling. Too many piano and dance lessons? Rich people are playing life on God Mode, and narrative without risk is pretty dull IMO.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
its about larry lunchin i think right
― akm, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0997079/
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
milo do you only watch action movies or something
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Larries Who Lunch
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
no, because most action movies are crap because the hero is playing on God Mode
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
iddqed
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyone else getting Parker Lewis Can't Lose flashbacks right now?
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
― max, Friday, April 6, 2012 1:34 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its funny cause i was thinking the actual popular movies re new york are prob mostly abt people killing each other and the mafia - this discussion is abt a p niche product that prob mostly appeals to people of similar background
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
nb: I didn't think Girls was funny, either, or I'd cut it a lot more slack. It read as painfully awkward melodrama to me more than comedy.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
you mean tiny furniture?
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
This is just off the top of my head, here’s what I would put in my start pack currently, if I was trying to make everybody feel the inside of my brain: I’d probably put Ariel, the Sylvia Plath book of poems, I’d put the new Sheila Heti novel, How Should a Person Be, I’d put Wallflower at the Orgy by Nora Ephron. Those would be my three books. I’d put Gilda Live, the documentary of Gilda directed by Mike Nichols, I’d put An Unmarried Woman, and I’d put in Clueless and then maybe like one Sufjan Stevens for feeling feelings too: Seven Swans. Then I’m just gonna throw Betty Davis—Miles Davis’s wife Betty Davis, not the disco crazy nutbag singer—I’d put her cd in there. Right now, if I was like, I want you to feel my feelings, I’d hand you those things.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
er, yeah, because I was going to say that I'm giving Girls a shot because it might really be funny
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
surfin stevens and betty davis and gilda radner are faves of mine too, maybe I'M oh wait i fucking hate nora ephron
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i dont know man i think if "actual lives are at stake" is for an important characteristic of good art i dont think were ever going to agree about art period let alone an hbo show
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
I didn't say "actual lives are at stake," I said risk.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
conflict is importnat to narrative, what kind of protagonist do u have
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
give Girls til the end of season 1 to see if they resolve any conflicts with physical violence imo
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
what are we talking about then? is it that emotional/psychological 'risk' arent important enough?
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
a story can be seen as a mountain climbing your hero will have to overcome many obsitcles one is a huge rock in the way
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I laughed at the younger sister, the white cabinets, the explanation of fucking in a pipe.
I did pretty much hate all the dudes in the movie to a degree that bothered me.
― og (admrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Emotional/psychological risk is pretty much every love story ever, so yes that's important.
The malaise of being young and privileged, though, doesn't cut it for me.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
the tools u are using to assess this art are too crude for the job
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont know that being privileged is the source of dunhams 'malaise' though -- it inflects it in certain ways but shes not exactly sad *because* her parents are well-off
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
surely the source is Sufjan Stevens for feeling feelings
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
if only she were sad because OBAMA wouldn't let her buy more handguns
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
that would be more interesting tbh
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
In my mind, I see a link between the Dartmouth frat bro writing a memoir and Tiny Furniture (which is memoir-ish) - if you're 22-24, the odds of you having done anything worth writing a memoir or making a movie about are pretty slim.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
which is also a privilege thing because State U grads who have to start working soul-sucking jobs just to survive aren't exactly getting $$$ to make films that mirror their real lives (those films would be just as dull as Tiny Furniture, most likely)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
how old or underprivileged would she have to be before the odds of her art being worthwhile were sufficient to engender interest
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
(i am just pretending u r not interested in this show for the sake of argument)
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
you can always make art that isn't suffocatingly autobiographical iirc
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
i feel like im losing the thread here
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
the thread wants to be free, max. don't try to control it.
― some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
'write abt what you know' important tip for making compelling art
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
fwiw i dont think tiny furniture is a memoir
i dont have a problem with young people writing memoirs
i imagine that a "State U grads who have to start working soul-sucking jobs just to survive" as perceptive and funny as dunham could probably make a film as good as tiny furniture
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
some dude otm twice
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
what abt someone who dropped out of jr college tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
what is the dartmouth frat bro movie called? is it animal house?
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i googled dartmouth frat bro and apparently its a real thing, i thought milo was trying to draw some weird false equivalency there with a made-up example
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://jezebel.com/5897558/dartmouth-frat-bros-bro-memoir-will-one-day-polarize-bros-everywhere
we talked about it on another thread? Dartmouth hazing whistleblower now writing memoir etc.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i dunno i dont really find the concept of a dartmouth frat bro writing a memoir galling
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha, I hadn't even seen that Jezebel thing. <3 the phrase frat bro
it's not galling but it's difficult to believe that many 22-year old who aren't war heroes or w/e have a compelling tale to tell unless you're also a frat bro
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
is that the guy who did the hazing piece in esquire or whatever? that made for some nauseating readingapparently bros like to puke on each others faces and genitals until they have no more tooth enamel
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
easier to just watch this
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
there was a time when i had not heard the term "vomlette" and i want that time back
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
that story sounds actually too compelling
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
even tho its not abt war and took place before a person was 22 which is generally just meaningless bullshit not worth mentioning
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
what if your under 22 but also a vampire
― Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
have to be a sexy vampire imo
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
still need that tooth enamel
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, April 6, 2012 12:28 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
look i followed that by saying i understand it can be offputting. i also think this undervaluing of labor affects not-rich women fwiw, though they obviously have less freedom to go unemployed.
― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/29/be-kind/
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol i just love good lookin rich ppl tbh will ryde 4 them 4 all time
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max)
; )
― buzza, Saturday, 7 April 2012 04:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
otm
― max, Saturday, 7 April 2012 12:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't even know how anyone can follow this show bcuz these four white girls all look exactly the same
― #yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 7 April 2012 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
At least the Sex and the City gals lived a little first before talking about themselves!!
― the hairy office thing (Eazy), Saturday, 7 April 2012 14:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have a lot of friends like this, albeit a little older.
― og (admrl), Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
One likely criticism of the series is that it dwells on privileged white-girl problems; in fact, its core cast members are all famous people's kids. (Williams' dad is newsman Brian Williams, Mamet's is playwright David Mamet, and Kirke's is Simon Kirke, drummer in the classic rock band Bad Company.) Asked about the casting, Dunham says, "The only thing that would make it not a coincidence is that they came in with a preternatural willingness to play and an understanding of the creative process that probably comes from being raised around it."
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-ca-lena-dunham-20120408,0,2699677.story
― buzza, Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
― buzza, Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
"The only thing that would make it not a coincidence is that they came in with a preternatural willingness to play and an understanding of the creative process that probably comes from being raised around it."
lol uh oh
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
ugh ugh ugh @ that quote
― Clay, Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
awareness and critical of privilege, eh
eh showbiz has always run in families
― goole, Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
― buzza, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/10/dunham_girls_sex_scares_men/singleton/
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 10:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
There’s also a scene in one of the episodes where a guy says to one of the characters, “The first time I fuck you I might scare you a little, because I’m a man, and I know how to do things,” and it’s supposed to be a huge turn-on.Somebody actually said that line to me, only afterward he was like, “That’s the thing my friend who works at Vice magazine taught me.” And I was like, the best way to negate the hot thing you just said is to end it with, that’s the thing my friend at Vice magazine told me.
Somebody actually said that line to me, only afterward he was like, “That’s the thing my friend who works at Vice magazine taught me.” And I was like, the best way to negate the hot thing you just said is to end it with, that’s the thing my friend at Vice magazine told me.
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 10:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
shes on conan tonight as the 2nd guest and larry david is the 1st guest
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 11:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's way too late to be eating lunch
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 12:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
"if you're 22-24, the odds of you having done anything worth writing a memoir or making a movie about are pretty slim."
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
if memory serves, rimbaud wrote a season in hell cuz he was pissed at his mom cuz she made him empty the chamber pots one day.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
this show looks funny. would watch. still haven't seen the movie. watched the downtown diva shorts on youtube and some of those are funny.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://gothamist.com/2012/04/09/lena_dunham_girls_guide_to_going_ou.php
do you associate with "grown up brooklyn?"
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh nevermind, I was gonna harp on that but then I noticed it was a phrase used by a character and not like an actual argument. I guess I enjoy petty inter-neighborhood fighting.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hey guys, I just read most of the literature ever published and I thought, "rich people problems."
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha she goes to the same bars i do!
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
max people problems
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
in my mind max and dunham are always in brooklyn at opposite ends of the bar
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
irl lol
― Lamp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I;m not surprised, she basically seems like a girl max
― money (admrl), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
GIRLS (to the max)
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
washington commons, check, awkward sex, check, acclaimed hbo series, check
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
acclaimed cover art for Fever Ray, check
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
she goes to steampunk bars too??
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
steampunk cabaret
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
*shamefacedly hides tickets*
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
not sure if ya knew you can watch the debut free Monday online
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/04/12/hbo-offers-free-access-to-debut-episodes-of-new-comedy-series-girls-and-veep/128783/?
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 April 2012 21:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
shock shock, here's Brody: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/movies/2012/04/girls-armchair-sociology.html
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
just saw 'tiny furniture' and was shocked by how much i liked it. i hate this sort of film, as a general rule, but the gradual shift in tone completely won me over. it was scathing and observant without being mean-spirited. in an odd way, it reminded me more of bresson than woody allen. (not that it's really much like either.)
i'm kinda floored that a couple of ppl here found it poorly directed -- i thought it was incredibly well-crafted, every shot beautifully composed. light-years ahead of someone like miranda july.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
im actually really tempted to make a lena dunham vs miranda july poll
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
can we wait til she has more than one film?
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
she's got a tv series starting Sunday morbs. by the end of it she'll have more output than July.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
if you have HBO
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm going to finally watch Tiny Furniture tonight. Surely it can't be worse than a Miranda July film. Surely.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
as opposed to the inescapably huge national roll-outs of Miranda July's work. xpost
plus you can watch the first episode and write it off even without HBO. Perfect!
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
can we campaign for a GIRLS theatrical run plz shes the next bresson fyi
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, there's a cable series debut and a ton of interviews, omg quick quick let's evaluate before she expires!!!
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes plz. i haven't seen this show but it really speaks to me on a personal level. so audacious but...real...y'know?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
by the end of it she'll have more output than July.
"OUTPUT"? If all is equal by the clock, more than Jean Vigo too.
I got your output right heah...
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
"content"
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
art is now just as series of products morbs. get with the 90s.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, April 13, 2012 8:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
"incredibly well crafted" might be a little over the top
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 14 April 2012 03:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
In any case, the creation of artistic products is intrinsically an “elite woe,” regardless of the financial status of the artist; priests and poets and painters are all members of the idle class (see Plato’s “Republic,” Book Two, on the creation of the “luxurious State”). At the same time, form reflects circumstances. I remember the early days of hip-hop—I had the sense that a new form was arising to express experiences that weren’t yet widely depicted, and that its aesthetic characteristics were integral to this communication. And those experiences, in that form, proved to have a worldwide, quasi-universal power
um
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 April 2012 03:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Cock
― velko, Saturday, 14 April 2012 03:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, there's a cable series debut and a ton of interviews, omg quick quick let's evaluate before she expires!!! --World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius)
Seriously, why don't we hang out, dogg
― Frog File Killie (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 14 April 2012 03:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm generally cool with narratives about rich people -- lots of time for urban culture snobs (Woody Allen types) or upwardly mobile suburban professionals (Updike) -- but a big reason Sex and the City makes me uncomfortable (NB: I haven't actually seen it) is that it seems like a show that's not just set in an upper-class milieu but actively fetishizes material objects like designer shoes and fancy cupcakes.
This has nothing to do w/Lena Dunham, whose work I haven't seen, either, but whatever.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Saturday, 14 April 2012 04:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sex and the City 2 was about the most grotesque consumerist thing I've ever seen. And I've seen all three Transformers films.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 April 2012 04:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
all the people are dancin and theyre having such funnn i wiiiiish it could happen to me...
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Saturday, 14 April 2012 04:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
a friend of mine's wife insisted on naming their first daughter after her favorite sex and the city character so the daughter would "always have a reminder of who the right rolemodels are" :( :(
― Clay, Saturday, 14 April 2012 04:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha which one was it
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 April 2012 04:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
ch4rlotte (she is my goddaughter btw probably shouldn't be shittalking her moms on the Internet)
― Clay, Saturday, 14 April 2012 04:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
the mating habits of contemporary 24-year-olds? what could be less relevant to meeee? (straight, M, F, gay, I don't care)
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 April 2012 07:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
so you're why Hollywood won't cast black actors as leads
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 April 2012 08:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
terrible non sequitur imho
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 April 2012 08:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sex and the City makes me uncomfortable (NB: I haven't actually seen it)
jeezus man, btwn this and the 3 silent features you've seen, put down the puzzles.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 April 2012 08:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not sure what you're objecting to there -- that I haven't seen SATC or that I'm biased against something I haven't seen? I'm sure there's plenty of quality TV you've missed, and I *know* you prejudge stuff all the time.
(Also, lol @ "put down the puzzles" as a zing. Pretty much the only time I solve crossword puzzles is on my commute. Would you rather I be watching silent films on my iPod?)
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Saturday, 14 April 2012 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
just a joek
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
*farts*
― some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
that good, huh
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 April 2012 03:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, that was rough.
The scene at her internship was what I didn't like about Tiny Furniture, the back and forth is already stilted and it's not helped by the way she shoots.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 16 April 2012 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
thought it was p good - i think that it can be so much looser than tiny furniture is a huge virtue
lol that she was interning @ tao lins publisher
― johnny crunch, Monday, 16 April 2012 03:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I seriously have no idea why anyone would even watch this
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2012 03:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Why do you guys even care about this stupid looking show?
lol u like portlandia
― buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 03:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
TS: "THIS IS THE SHOW THAT FINALLY GETS ME" Vs "LOL THIS SHOW DOESN'T GET ME AT ALL"
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2012 03:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Portlandia's a bunch of joeks. This is a bunch of people on the Internet either a) putting all their hopes and fears and desires on hoping we get our new Woody Allen ever since FREAKS AND GEEKS OMG NAILED IT or b) sniffling that its not getting the complexities of Tumblr whiteness right DUDE WHERES MY PANTS MTV(tm)
All on some show that had zero episodes until an hour ago and whoooooo carrrrres
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2012 03:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
ts watching a show because it "gets you" vs not being motivated by weird stuff like that
― Clay, Monday, 16 April 2012 03:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
― buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 03:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
The inflated sense of importance people have around TV shows is so fucking stupid right now
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2012 03:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
You're never going to run out of windmills, are you?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 16 April 2012 03:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:50 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Clay, Monday, 16 April 2012 03:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
The inflated sense of impotence people have around TV shows is so fucking stupid right now
― the hairy office thing (Eazy), Monday, 16 April 2012 03:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's funny how i hate the idea of this show probably as much as whiney but he makes me want to switch sides
(probably funnier than the show idk)
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 16 April 2012 03:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
I actually think it's a great idea for a show!
I just think it's so stupid that since it's about "real hipsters" and not "2 Broke Girls hipsters" or whatever, everyone on Twitter has to have an opinion about where they fit into the narrative.
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2012 04:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
your life might be longer and easier, then, if you stopped caring what "everyone on Twitter" has an opinion about?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 16 April 2012 04:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
guy who spends hours reading brooklyn-based twitter feeds angry about brooklyn-based twitter activity
― iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 04:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
your life might be longer and easier, then, if you stopped caring what "everyone on Twitter" has an opinion about? --Kiarostami bag (milo z)
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2012 04:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait this show is about "real hipsters"?
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 16 April 2012 04:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
is grimes a character
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 16 April 2012 04:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
There was some good stuff in here. It might be good.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 16 April 2012 05:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh wait i just checked my twitter feed and it looks as if people like this too much.
this show is utterly fucking shit and god fuck all these people with their fucking lives and opinions and their ham-fisted attempts at comedy i mean seriously let me know if a cannon shoots out the support of a guard tower and Lena Dunham falls out and then maybe we can talk about Real F-ing Comedy.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 16 April 2012 05:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
terrible show. enunciate for gods sake
should have been father-and-stepmother. the mom made no sense
― fart bucket (toandos), Monday, 16 April 2012 06:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
side dude (ray?) at dinner party was funny once or twice. that was about it
― fart bucket (toandos), Monday, 16 April 2012 06:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
isn't this show about failing yuppies not hipsters
― judith, Monday, 16 April 2012 10:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
let me know if a cannon shoots out the support of a guard tower
^excellent
what replaces shoes from S&TC here?
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 April 2012 10:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think I like the idea of show, gen limboy, but I have only read about it and not watched it, but I am afraid if I watch it I will stop liking it
that it's SATC influenced seems worrying? SATC's only virtue is that it will merit a lot of analysis in whatever 'fall of the american empire' tome is written in 50 years
― iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
how exactly is this 'satc' influenced' anyway. four women? that's it? four women. they all look alike huh.
― goole, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
well it's more like it's being groomed as the anti-SATC (complete with deliberately eye-rolling SATC references in the pilot) than that it's influenced by it, to be fair
it was aight but really, i dunno that this is much better than, like, Garden State
― some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
oof
― goole, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
four women? that's it? four women.
NYC, first-world problems, HBO Sunday night etc
The 2nd and 3rd seasons of S&TC were quite funny btw, before SJP swallowed the show.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
satc is a p good show just kinda disturbing
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
2nd and 3rds seasons of SATC were excellent.
This was not as interesting as I had hoped.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
In your pilot, you have overt references to Sex in the City. Obviously, you’re writing about four young women friends in New York City. Do you see Girls as sort of a response or reaction or a tribute to SATC? Was it just something that naturally these characters would reference themselves in comparison to? That was sort of the first thought was that Shoshanna [Zosia Mamet's character] would have moved to New York because of Sex in the City. And a lot of these girls, even Hannah who might make fun of the girl who were the “I’m a Carrie” T-shirt, part of the reason she came to New York is clearly because she thought she was a Carrie. It’s almost like not only is this a show that talks about Sex and the City, these are women who couldn’t exist without Sex and the City. And I sort of wanted to reference that, honor it and get it out of the way. But I was sensitive about that Sex in the City reference. I was scared when I sent the pilot to HBO that they’d be offended or find it to be too meta, and they told us that it was a big reason that they picked up the pilot. They liked the fact that we were the first script about women that had commented on Sex in the City and took the issue head on.
That was sort of the first thought was that Shoshanna [Zosia Mamet's character] would have moved to New York because of Sex in the City. And a lot of these girls, even Hannah who might make fun of the girl who were the “I’m a Carrie” T-shirt, part of the reason she came to New York is clearly because she thought she was a Carrie. It’s almost like not only is this a show that talks about Sex and the City, these are women who couldn’t exist without Sex and the City. And I sort of wanted to reference that, honor it and get it out of the way. But I was sensitive about that Sex in the City reference. I was scared when I sent the pilot to HBO that they’d be offended or find it to be too meta, and they told us that it was a big reason that they picked up the pilot. They liked the fact that we were the first script about women that had commented on Sex in the City and took the issue head on.
― the hairy office thing (Eazy), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
the first episode went fast and had some promising stuff, but all the characters who weren't the leads were painted pretty broadly and unsympathetically. Found it really disturbing to have the mom from Freaks & Geeks being such a contemptuous monster with no explanation.
― da croupier, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
so her 3 co-stars are the daughters of David Mamet, Brian Williams and the Bad Company drummer? Worth boycotting for that alone.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
well that's not an entirely unrealistic portrait of williamsburg, as long as they play themselves
― iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah the show felt very much like 'every character who is not played by the writer/director is a cardboard cutout,' except for maybe the one other girl who kind of scolded the other girl in the bathroom. it was a pilot, though, presumably those people would need time to get fleshed out.
― some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
really think its a stretch to lump the drummer of bad company in w/those other two
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
she is eating a cupcake in the shower
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes, bcz I likely wouldn't want to kick the BC drummer in the face if I saw him on the street
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 April 2012 14:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am watching this
now they are talking abt satc
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
joylin knows photoshop, lol
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
no one really seems to be talking abt the apatow connection but it seems v apatow w/the mundane misanthropy
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is p funny
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
this does not taste like twix
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
that was so smh, it's not like he even pronounced it any way that could lead to that kind of misunderstanding
― some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
i support all twix based humor
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
― some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
why dont u get a job and start a blog u r so spoiled
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just remembered the "I am busy...trying to become who I am" line and felt a strong wave of rmde all over again
― some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
One thing that really struck me with Hannah’s character in the pilot is that last scene where we see her take the $20 that he parents left for her and then the $20 for the housekeeper. You’re showing a not very sympathetic side of her.
No, it’s like, “You just took that from a Mexican lady with five children because you want a fucking buy some fancy sandwich.”
What does it say about her?
I think it shows that she’s a little scared, that she’s a little desperate, but also that she’s a little entitled and like there’s a part of Hannah that probably feels like the world’s not giving me what I need and I need to take it. And she thinks she’s being proactive and she thinks that somehow like she’s owed this.
Of course it will cause her tremendous guilt later and she’ll probably confess to her parents in a year and try to pay them back. But, at that moment, like it was a moment where I sort of announce this is what the show is. You’re not going to necessarily be with this girl at every – you’re not going to necessarily agree with this girl’s every move.
― buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
bad company should be playing in the background of every scene in this show
― buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
i enjoyed the overall attitude of the dude she hooks up w/ in this ep -"i was fat in high school too, i didnt let ppl draw all over me"
― johnny crunch, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
hah he was so mean
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I expected the Mamet kid to be like her character in Mad Men, which has nothing to do with the quality of the show.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont remember her on mad men, she was in the kids are alright tho, i like her
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol
From the steamy bestseller Fifty Shades of Grey to HBO's Girls, sexual domination is in vogue. Katie Roiphe on why women's power at work may be fueling the craze.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/04/15/working-women-s-fantasies.html
― buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
that article and hologram tupac dominated my twitter feed this morning
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
katie roiphe hologram in your living room
― buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
she's peggy's friend who works at Life magazine and has all the counter-culture buddies.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
o rite!
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
― buzza, Monday, April 16, 2012 2:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
dominating u, u r a blogger
i was just thinking, i miss that katie roiphe.
― horseshoe, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
what trenchant insights does she have for us about girls, not to mention Girls
― horseshoe, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
idk there is no way im reading that article
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am going to save it for a time when i really need to yell at my computer
― horseshoe, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
there is some key video content with katie how can u miss it
― buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
only if shes being tied up and written all over 'riot grrl' by teenage lesbians
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
then maybe i might watch it
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
― buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
a lot of people are prob reading it on their ipads and kindles in their own universe
*thinks deeply*
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
thread summary for those coming in late:
― Cunga, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Was thinking about the comparisons with Louis CK and the big difference is that Louis's horrible sex scenes actually have a punchline. There was no payoff to that scene, it was just "wow, they're both horrible and I didn't need to see that." And Louis seems to give a shit about the world around him, whether that's his daughters or the awesome gay neighbors who save him, etc.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
eh his 'give a shit about the world' is kinda forced and self-congratulatory - let's have people call me a good father and show me being a good father on a show I write and star in
― iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah louis ck has a good schtick but lets not read too much into it
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
HS did you watch this show? Should I?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought it was p funny, and people are prob making too big a deal out of it
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
its more apatow than it is meaningful
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am going to watch it some time this week!
― horseshoe, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
apparently Louis CK's newest material features a routine on why, if you're a stand-up comic from Silver Lake, you need to get out of the game and why CK hates you.
― Cunga, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Louie comparison leads to the question of what a gal Cassavetes would be like--gal equivalent of Husbands.
― the hairy office thing (Eazy), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
it does?
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean not that im against that question
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
All Louie comparisons are way off the mark and I imagine anyone making them has never seen/understood either show.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
its basically like louie but w/chix
not at all
― some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
heres the pitch hbo: louie, but w/ chix, & we make fun of SaTC - no punchlines tho
― johnny crunch, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
you guys prob just cant see it because youre misogynists tho
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
whatever, reverse misogynist!
― goole, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
im pan-misogynistic
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw i thought it was roif not roy-fee
― goole, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
god that youtube. this person is a moron. she can't speak w/o some predigested phrase.
― goole, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
this was really good
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
my gf has college professor parents and is 24 and was an english major
the similarities end there but it's still kinda funny
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh man this show, i cant even blog abt it omg
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha did you like it or not
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i feel like this show would be [obscure math] times better if no one else could ever have or at the very least publish opinions about it but as is i am in a crisis/teapot rn
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorry, haven't read this thread yet but just wanted to note briefly that holy shit this show is depressing + misanthropic. the only thing i knew about it going in is that ppl were comparing it to Louie but way off. Louie has a heart and is hopeful and this is just so bitter and cruel and angry. idk if i'll keep watching it. i'm not sure i have the strength for it tbh.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dunno i feel like it's going for 'dark' in a way that's kind of intrinsically naive and eager-to-please
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya louis has a heart and is hopeful cause he is like a millionaire who lives in an imaginary nyc where you walk your kids to school and there's nobody on the street
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
at some moments, but all the body-hate + food stuff going on with the protagonist is really hard to watch, and all the characters are so petty without any level of self-consciousness that would make them palatable. xp
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
damn man give em a few episodes to become full humans
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
iatee, i'm not sure if you're just taking shots at louie, or defending girls as somehow more authentic in tone + style than it? bc a) the quality of either show is disconnected from how much misanthropy i'm personally willing to subject myself to (it's why i don't watch breaking bad anymore) and b) i don't think girls shows a more real nyc
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol ok
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
the characters are definitely unsympathetic in a way that goes beyond the deliberate she-took-the-cleaning-lady's-money stuff, but i dunno, women be having self-esteem/body image issues? that's pretty commonplace
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
let's not separate Dunham and CK into separate economic classes - they're both showrunners, they're both rich (or will be soon)
but yeah based on this pilot at least Louie is roughly 10000x better
― Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought the verisimilitude re ny look and feel was v high
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
When I get a tweet from a girl who's like, "I'd love to watch the show, but I wish there were more women of color." You know what? I do, too, and if we have the opportunity to do a second season, I'll address that.
― buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
i didnt really like it - ive seen a couple of other episodes i like better and i think theres some interesting stuff going on in the show but its all pretty qualified and hedged, like its not obviously 'good' or 'authentic' or 'funny' but it has flashes of being all those things? ive been thinking a lot about 'freaks & geeks' as a worthwhile comparison point rather than 'louie' or satc, like this facsimile of the real world thats more compelling for so obviously not being exactly the real world or w/e
haha im supposed to write about abt it but i dont really want to, everything ive read abt this show is so wrong-headed and terrible, idk
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I would rather live in the louie-nyc than the girls-nyc it just doesn't exist
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
i lived in nyc for ~13 years and it never looked like either depiction. it never looked like louie's NY, but it still looked more like his NY than Girls' NY and I lived in NY partially at the same ages as the protagonist in Girls (and even had internships in the media). also, i think the body-hate stuff goes beyond her negative self-image. i think some of the ways she's shot eating food (the spaghetti with her parents + the cupcake in the bathtub immediately come to mind) and the sex scene were particularly degrading
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
it seems like exactly the same joke as the credits for louie, people like to eat
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
i haven't seen it and don't really care, but just coming out as someone who knows Lena personally— she's a pretty rad person. and she works hard. and finally, in real life, she is fucking hilarious.
which means, to me, that while i hope this succeeds, if it doesn't, then meh, not really that big a deal.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait so you think she is hilarious and rad and you really want her to succeed but you aren't willing to spend 30 minutes watching her show
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
so u dont care to watch this thing by this person you know and think is rad and hilarious lol xp
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't have anything personal against her and it does seem like she's very talented and has a distinctive voice which is obv partially why i'm having such a strong reaction to the ep. xxp
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
lmao table
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
you can know someone is rad and hilarious without caring about what they do to make a living.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
"i know her, she rules, but I can't be bothered to watch a show, don't care if it actually does well" definitely does seem like the material she's feeding on
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Cassavetes NYC vs. Woody NYC
― the hairy office thing (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I do my best to seek out things that I know will be rad and/or hilarious
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
mad about you to me is the most realistic depiction of ny ever
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
lag∞nebb
― buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
― the hairy office thing (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
― buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
If she's funny in reality, she's not very good (thus far) at translating her comic sensibility into actually-funny film/TV imo.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbf most funny people never make funny tv shows
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
IRLs
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
kind of hate arguments about how accurate TV is when it comes to real placesthe worst is watching any show set in NY with anyone who lived there
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont think it really matters, but its interesting to look at
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
new yorkers are the worst people tho its true
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah again I don't think the fact that this is realistic looking makes it better, it's just novel I guess. fake nycs seem like better places to live, usually.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
yo iatee, i remember this one time we were talking and you were all like: "ya louis has a heart and is hopeful cause he is like a millionaire who lives in an imaginary nyc where you walk your kids to school and there's nobody on the street"
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess Seinfeld/CYE really are the better comparisons in tone here (or maybe I just think that because I dislike both) - if Seinfeld could have gotten away with the relentless misanthropy of the first episode, he probably would have.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Louis's millionaire lifestyle is as much a fantasy to me as living entirely on money from one's parents, FWIW.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
fuck white people
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
like I can't help but think that
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
HBO needs
― the hairy office thing (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
eh, that wasn't really my cup of tea...mostly because it wasn't very Lena. i think Tiny Furniture is more Lena.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha u just watched it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
he's talking about the jeffersons
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was driving like an hour ago w/ a friend and when we saw this billboard at a light he asked me if I saw this yet, and I was like nah it's just some rich white girl new york shit and he was like oh man I thought it would be about awkward girls making their way through the world
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
and I was like nah I haven't seen it but I think its just some rich white shit
"I think it's like stillman's shit without anything worthwhile, but then again I didn't see it, I've only seen the billboard"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
then what did he say?
― boxall, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
he said do u want to get white castle
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
and then i was like naw thats just some white castle
I said "I'm sick of this bullshit I can't believe you lent me wonder boys"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
because I was really sad about some shit and he came by and dropped off that terrrrible movie so I would have soem sort of light diversion
sometimes i think your posts should be in comic book thought bubbles
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
webcomics i'd think
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
BOYS
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:04 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
the 'rich white new yorker' criticism bugs me.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think some of the ways she's shot eating food (the spaghetti with her parents + the cupcake in the bathtub immediately come to mind) and the sex scene were particularly degrading
that is kinda the point. i don't think it really needs punchlines. this maybe corroborates anyone who's saying that she's just preaching to the choir, but it's sorta enough that she's just rendering general shitty experiences; a lot of tiny furniture was about confronting and frustrating our ideas of how it should pan out & how it actually does play out, her fucking over her nice friend, her making bad but appealing decisions, just the slow undramatic unwinding of things.
i thought this was great!, anyway. i like the beeswax guy talking about mcdonalds, he is really honing a kind of irresistable-charming-asshole typecasting thing.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 09:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
― fart bucket (toandos), Monday, April 16, 2012 2:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
rofl, "mom was too mean, she should have been a stepmom, then it wouldve made sense"
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe its just b/c we just did the big poll but i kept thinking about paul simons nyc when i was watching this, way more than louis ck's
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
also table in the table, you are a treasure on these boards, never leave
anyway, did not get the bitter and cruel and angry vibe from this at all, enjoyed it for sure, found it recognizable and funny, definitely not perfect and is sort of 'problematic' for a number of reasons but would recommend
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah this is a fun/funny show and I liked it. it also still just kinda tickles at my class warrior itch, but I guess a lot of stuff does that, including a lot of real life.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not digging the whole 'it's so true and relatable' thing. I mean, the protagonist stole money from the housekeeper. In a way, this is a lot easier to deal with if you think of it as the female Eastbound & Down. Instead of joining the major leagues, this Kenny Powers is delusional about being the voice of a generation. I don't think they'll take it as broad as that though.
― Popture, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
"mom was too mean, she should have been a stepmom, then it wouldve made sense"
while we'd still be dealing with monstrous caricatures, it would make a bit more sense for a woman to be screaming about how she deserves a lake house if maybe the girl lying half-conscious on the floor wasn't raised by her. either way, people are really just asking for some backstory to explain why the "tough love" dunham is getting seems so contemptuous.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
it kind of reminds me of that new "bff" show in that the half-hour format might be a little limiting. it asks us to get emotionally involved with character reality while indulging in broad cliches to move things along. We've got the lead's eating and fucking in stark indie-vision, but everyone who affects her life is a parody of a person.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah the episode felt shockingly short at a half hour.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh god it'd be a nightmare as a 60-minute show, better too little than too much
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
kind of amazed judd "146-minute theatrical cut" apatow settled for that, actually
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh the old james l bridges understood how TV works even after he started making mammoth dramedies
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
lovechild of james l. brooks and jeff bridges?
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I would have enjoyed it at an hour I think. a longer show would allow it to stretch out and escape nightmare territory maybe? modulate tone a bit?
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
people are really just asking for some backstory to explain why the "tough love" dunham is getting seems so contemptuous.
― da croupier, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:10 AM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
asking her to get a job, what nazis
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean she was not actually half conscious, as the mom said 'youre getting played by an all time player here' was the whole point, the tea wasnt knocking her out, her desperation to not get cut off was
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think its weird a parent would announce half-way through the dinner she was cutting off her child immediately with a nagging "no more money". ymmv
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
a lil grace period prob wouldve been wise but obvs the situation was already pretty loaded
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
and you're really ignoring the "i deserve a lake house" meltdown
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
i realized like an hour after watching the show that the mother is the mom from freaks + geeks, right?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
There sure are a lot of boys on the Girls thread.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
and, uh, pretty much every other thread. it happens.
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know, I know. Still.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
she wants to use her hard earned money to sit on her ass at the lake, her daughter is being a manipulative lil monster and her husband is falling for it for the millionth time so she melts down a lil bit, no one behaved v well but it still ranks p low on the scale of family disfunction
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
obvs aside, i just think some backstory would help explain just how the situation is "loaded" and just how sympathetic the mom's anger is (though i know plenty of people who were just glad to watch a spoiled 24-year-old get shit on, even if it was by the presumable spoiler)
will admit having the freaks & geeks mom in this role made it more wtf for me
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:15 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh i thought this was the title of the show not an instruction on who should talk abt it, excuuuuse me
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
pretty sure the "backstory" is that her parents have been supporting her in nyc for two years while she writes her memoir
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean i dunno none of that rang false to me
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
picked a nice restaurant to surprise cut her off in
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
x-post - I didn't say you can't talk about it! Talk away. I just think it's sort of interesting that afaict no women (who have actually watched it yet) have posted about the show. I'm not saying that's necessarily significant in any way but I did notice it. nb I am going to watch it. I just forgot to the other night.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Popture, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:08 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i dunno. maybe we should make a distinction between "relatable" and "recognizable" and "sympathetic" -- i felt like all the characters were recognizable at almost all times, relatable less of the time, sympathetic even less
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
hope the mom becomes a full arch villain & is 100% preoccupied w/ her dream lakehouse
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
i just think some backstory would help explain just how the situation is "loaded" and just how sympathetic the mom's anger is
― da croupier, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:18 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i thought some of their ingrained family patterns were p deftly displayed sans formal backstory, like the dads babying style of parenting is dominant in the family mom wants tuff luv as she feels like the girls development has beens stunted but cant pull it off, good storytelling!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:22 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sounds like weve got a feminazi on our hands fellas
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
but dad's style wasn't dominant, they cut her off, left her behind in a hotel room with $20
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
the mom finally got her way was how i read it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok you've invented a backstory, good for you
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
if you look at her character in general and particularly how she reacted to getting cut off i think the show was trying to imply that shes k spoiled
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
like it was saying that, it doesnt need to be all spelled out, although im sure well get more infos in future episodes
two years is like a crazzzzy long time for your parents to be supporting you after college
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
like i could see where croup is coming if this was like a 6 months after college conversation
i do think cutting her off cold turkey was kinda unrealistic, like she needs time to find a paying job, give her a few months
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
if you look upthread, i called her spoiled. i just don't know if we're supposed to take the "all time player" shit at face value, and there seems to be some serious hate there beyond "my daughter, the stunted 24-year-old intern". honestly, any other actress in the role and I'd just take the mom was a cartoon plot device.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
feels more like a convenient plot device than a thing that wouldve actually gone down like that
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's true
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
the mom obvs has some issues of her own, i mean her husband is a professor w/an earring, shes had a tough life, not that that justifies her callous behavior
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
well also they are setting her up to...move home? in a week
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
yep
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe she could have gotten them to relent and support her for a few months but she actually asked for 1100 a month for two years or whatever, which I guess was the final straw for the mother
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
the overall family portrait was i think none of them are particularly strong people, theyre not horrible but just a bit adrift
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha this argument is getting kinda silly, i guess i sorta see where croup is coming from but while i was watching i didnt feel "oh man this is unrealistic" at all, mostly i felt sympathetic to her parents, i cant say my mom wouldnt have flipped out in a selfish way if i showed up to her hotel room late at night pretend-stoned on opium tea and demanded that she read my memoir
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i didn't say "this is unrealistic" i said "what the fuck is the deal here, this mom hates her"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i definitely didnt see 'serious hate' -- i felt like her and her mom had a difficult relationship but a lot of ppl do w/ their moms
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
the mom sort of hates her, as will all of us as the show progresses i suspect
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
i cant say my mom wouldnt have flipped out in a selfish way if i showed up to her hotel room late at night pretend-stoned on opium tea and demanded that she read my memoir
― max, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:39 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That showing up pretend-stoned in the parent's hotel room didn't seem like it was out of desperation but more a different kind of wish fulfilment. Like, look at me, i'm going to choose to do this faux-outrageous thing so I seem interesting and have something fun to tweet about in the morning. There's probably going to be a lot of that in this show.
― Popture, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
also the english her who she admires told her to do it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah if there is an unrealistic character it's the english
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
there are NO english people that good looking
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
she was a lil bit of a caricatured type, but i lold
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
my main hope for this show is that it doesn't get too relationshipy and mostly goes for the lols, might be wishful thinking
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think relationships and lols will both be in short supply
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
lots of uncomfortable hipster sex though
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
also was it on this thread that someone said the show was shot really poorly? i actually thought it looked really great, admittedly was watching a medium-quality file but
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah production values definitely way up from the movie
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought the showing up stoned was incredibly passive-aggressive, esp since at the dinner with her parents she had said that things could be a lot worse, aka she could be a drug addict. oh look, you cut me off, i'm a drug addict now.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought the movie was shot pretty well too, same (young) cinematographer iirc
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
one thing the show has that the movie didnt is extras
okay, i thought it was slightly disappointing, but probably that's mostly attributable to being a pilot. the world of the show didn't gel for me completely, and even though a lot of the writing was sharp, i didn't laugh that much. hannah's relationship with her best friend was my favorite thing so far; they seem better-written than everyone else. except for the sadsack boyfriend who i sort of love.
i didn't think the mom was that horrible! the only moment that seemed unnecessarily mean was the "no. more. mon.ey." moment in the restaurant, but otherwise i could see where she was coming from.
also, is that all the eigeman we're going to get???
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
rrrrreally
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think that is subject to a whole host of factors
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:41 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha, i wanted not to hate her, and i was prepared for her to steal the housekeeping tip at her parents' hotel room, but when she was defending charlotte to her best friend, and the friend was like, she slept with x's boyfriend! and hannah was like she didn't sleep with your boyfriend! i was like, really? ugh.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
also i wish there were some non-whites but what are you going to do. i guess there was Joy Lin for a moment.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
the whiteness of the cast bugs me a lot
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol that she says she will address it in the second season
― buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess there was Joy Lin for a moment.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:40 AM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
she knows photoshop
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i actually have *thoughts* about this, about how nonwhite women end up not really counting as women according to a certain version of femininity, but they are probably obvious and off-topic at any rate.
xp lol
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
i feel like they could have a not white friend and that would be perfectly realistic, also they could not and that would be too, five white people eating dinner in an apartment in new york is certainly a situation ive encountered myself many times
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's not that a bunch of white people hanging out together is unrealistic it's that i want to see non-white people on the tv shows i watch.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
the unbearable whiteness of being a GIRL
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wonder what she thinks abt that aspect, like if she thinks that the all whiteness is more honest or provocative or w/e, or it didnt occur to her maybe
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
― horseshoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:49 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sure there are kinda two questions i guess, theres what you want to watch which is just like up to you, and then theres what does the all whiteness of this show in particular mean
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Zoe Kravitz was already booked.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
heh
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
― horseshoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:49 AM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well its also that its not unrealistic for them to have one or two (or three or four!) Friends of Color, like given the shows setting and milieu theres no real reason for there not to be non-white Folks present, and it makes the show/hannah/lena seem even more privileged and disconnected and what have you
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
the most recent whit stillman movie cast some non-whites in friend roles for the first time in a whit stillman movie, i think? and it made me think, he could have done this the whole time. on the other hand, the movie wasn't really about those characters in any way.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
my upcoming memoir is entitled Friends of Color btw
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
theres no real reason for there not to be non-white Folks present, and it makes the show/hannah/lena seem even more privileged and disconnected and what have you
― max, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:52 AM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i wonder if thats the point or more a byproduct of irl - also maybe we will meet more of her friends
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
ALSO it annoys me because theres a pretty large (and growing?) set of non-white hipster/college-educated creative professional/whatever types who tend to get ignored in "young ppl in nyc" tv shows and movies, (and in ilx discourse!!) and i thought (hoped?) some of those stories could get told here! guess not tho
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think sometimes white directors/writers are worried about taking on those stories for fear they'll commit some essentializing blunder, but yeah, i wish more would take the plunge. they could just talk to some people of color. but also maybe what's going on with dunham is that at 25 she's a bit blinkered about that stuff.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:15 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this was a fair point, btw, and one adamrl also made iirc.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
girls is kind of a provocative name to call ones show isnt it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
idg why
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
That was an xpost
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i think if were trying to recreate GIRLS as a statistically accurate representation of its milieu than thered be at least a couple of nonwhite ppl on the show. i dont really think it means all that much tho esp given the racism of tv casting
going back a bit but i kinda liked her mom idk its a stretch to think she hates her?
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
the parents are my rooting interest in the show
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
well tbf the 'parents pay your rent + lives in brooklyn' demographic def skews white pretty hardcore ime
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean, yes it's going to happen on ilx where a lot of dudes post but it leads to sort of strange blind spots, about, for example the representation of women + body image. i'm not mad @ anyone about it, nor was Erica, i presume, its just creates a discussion with an *interesting* quality.
tbf i know a lot of ilx women are just not that into the premise of this show, so.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i don't think the mom hates her, either. maybe a little bit at moments but everyone's mom hates them sometimes!
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha it is kinda funny that a bunch of dudes talking about this show end up getting in a fight about mom
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
if this show were called 'life and lols in brooklyn 2012' it would not be an issue that mostly guys are watching it but instead it was called 'girls' cause judd apatow suggested it
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe girls just arent posting to this thread because they r bad at bittorrent
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not a lot of talk about women+body image, pro or con
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
well there was some tbf
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't know if mostly guys are watching it? if that's true, it's not an issue. my sisters are both watching it--data points! i was mostly talking about the ilx discussion.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
comments are not making me want to watch this show tbh
― surm, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
some, but it's not like all the dudes on the Girls thread are talking about it
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't...i'm not trying to get in an argument. both comments about body image in this thread seemed a little tin-eared to me; understandable because men don't experience that stuff the way we do. i was just using that as an example because it stood out to me. really all i'm saying is this conversation would play out differently if a bunch of women were having it. didn't think that was that controversial.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbcf this really isnt a 'brooklyn 2012' show
haha most of my friends are really not into this show, its weird, i have ~thoughts~ about it but its really that good atm so its hard to argue for it
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
what did you think re how our protagonists body image issues were portrayed in ep1 horseshoe, i was surprised abt the negative reaction itt, i was just kinda oh sure when i saw it, her self deprecation in the explanation of her tattoos and her boyfriends horrible if funny reaction was k tragic
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
lamp stop being so coy and just tell us what u think ffs
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, sorry, I'm not trying to make it an argument either, this just doesn't seem to be any weirder for dudes to talk about than Game of Thrones IMO.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha i wasnt going to but this:
was a... strange reaction to have, i think. like 'degrading' is not how i read this at all, i identified w/her quite a bit here, thought it was really funny and true, helped me 'get' the character and sympathize with her.
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
homie shes not saying its WEIRD
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah that's pretty much how i feel. i like that thread in tiny furniture and in the pilot of girls--dunham's sharp about it. don't really get how it's evidence of a mean worldview on her part or a lack of "heart" as compared to louis c.k. it's evidence of a meanness in the world but dunham didn't create that meanness.
it's a little more notable, given that this show is about women's lives.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha thanks max
both comments about body image in this thread seemed a little tin-eared to me
you mean mordy and mine? i was just reacting to him thinking it was unusual or off-putting and me feeling it was kind of consistent with the kind of observations a lot of fiction makes on the subject, for better or worse
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have spent many years on ilx having conversations with a bunch of dudes; obviously i am not saying dudes should not discuss stuff.
In a world in which Tao Lin and David Chang are the dominating forces...
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, al, i did mean mordy's and yours. yours only because i think dunham is doing more with her stuff on women and their bodies than your obligatory "one of these girls is bulimic" plot in a movie or whatever.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:14 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
max otm, hs otm
In addition to what she said, it's not so much the fact that a lot of guys are talking about it that's weird for me it's the almost total lack of female interest/input. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal. Just something that made me go hmmmmmm.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is going to be the case on literally every thread on ilx because there are more guys here
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbf i know a lot of ilx women are just not that into the premise of this show, so.just poppin in here to say ^^ me ^^^
why is this weird?
― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
but it leads to sort of strange blind spots, about, for example the representation of women + body image
would you be willing to talk a little bit more about these blind spots? did you disagree with the posts about body image?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
the ladies make a valid if minor point re dudes in the girls thread, id be curious to hear their opinons of the show next
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not an idiot, Iatee. I realize that is often the case given that ILX is predominantly male. I still think it's at least somewhat remarkable in this instance.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
no it's not, your sample set is like 5 people here
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
can we plz not, just plzzzzz
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
overall interest/identification is going to be a lot more about class and culture than gender in this case, IMO
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mordy, i just didn't get your post about body image, frankly. also i will admit the rash of posts that were all, "this isn't as good as Louie" annoyed me. i mean, i don't like this one episode of Girls as much as i like the two seasons of Louie, either, but maybe some of that reaction is about louis c.k. being more identifiable-with for some of you than lena dunham? maybe not. sometimes i think men are blind to that aspect of their reactions to things, though. god, could i be more vague.
amanda i don't think it's weird for women not to want to watch Girls, just to clarify! not everyone has to be slavishly devoted to culture about the rich, like i invariably am!
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
outside of people who will give just about anything new on HBO a shot
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i did upthread!!! i think the pilot wasnt that great but the show gets better and has real potential. there are parts of the show that really resonated w/ me including the bad sex and the food stuff and the general sense of post-collegiate ennui or w/e, really the show seemed v true to my own NYC XP and the people i was friends w/ and worked w/...
i mean ive been thinking about how 'freaks & geeks' was so adept at teasing out emotional truth from its high school setting that it the fact the show wasnt perfectly realistic didnt really matter. like the shows world was so seamless and coherent that its inconsistencies from rl became virtues because it helped create some distance for the viewer? and like i think girls is almost doing the same thing w/like post-collegiate urban youth where the fact that its an approximation of reality isnt the problem, the problem w/'girls' is that dunham et al arent detail ppl so 'girls' tv universe is kinda flat and inconsistent atm
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
the Louie talk was because interviews/previews directly referenced Louie as a comparison point. Dunham dressed up like Louis CK for Halloween, etc
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
'girls' tv universe is kinda flat and inconsistent atm
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:26 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this i would agree with, but i'm going to give it a few episodes. pilots are hard
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
― horseshoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:18 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
fair enough, i wasn't saying it was a minor theme or that it was just being thrown out as an ack cathy female anxiety cliche or anything, just that mordy's horror seemed extreme
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes i agree about that
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
id be curious to hear you expand on the detail part lamp, admittedly i didnt watch the pilot super closely but my my reaction to their apartment and walking down the street and their clothes and the way in which the guy who made the tea was being a jerk was p much that looks abt right
also i know u have seen more eps because someone is trying to make u blog abt it, im v sry u have to go through that
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
I will freely admit that Louie talking about being a father resonates more deeply with me than Lena's experiences in NYC. There was a time in my life (when I was doing media internships, just out of college, living in shitty apartments in NY, struggling to pay rent, etc) where that might have been reversed. It certainly has something to do with gender, but it also has to do with age, class, and even POV (where Louie seems almost elegiac and pensive, Lena seems thoughtless and immature).
Wrt the body image stuff, I'm a little reticent about posting about it bc of my gender. Spitballing briefly tho, I suspect that ppl for whom her body image material resonates will find it engaging bc of how honest and raw it is (or isn't), while for me I primarily felt uncomfortable. This isn't necessarily a problem tho, and like I mentioned above, there are plenty of great shows (and other materials) that make me feel uncomfortable. I just have to decide whether I think I'm getting enough value out of the discomfort to continue watching. (And I am curious about whether women watching the show found it honest- I had a question about the tattoo bit where she says that she tattooed herself* in high school to gain control over her body. I wondered whether that was a dodge from other self-destructive behaviors that maybe she didn't want to identify with, or if this felt honest.)
*This also led to the most upsetting exchange of the episode for me, where the boy she slept with says, "well, you're not /that/ fat anymore," with the emphasis on hedging her body image. Like, you're still fat, but not THAT fat. And instead of calling him out on it, or having any reaction at all, she just smiles at him or something that I don't remember clearly. I would've liked some kind of authorial distance from that exchange though.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think him saying the line, and you being offended by it and by her lack of reaction, is exactly the desired effect they were going for though?
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
But... This is something real that happens. And in the context of sex, in situations that are frequently not very good/bad/sometimes not totally consensual/self-destructive/depressing as shit. That's why it's IN the show, right? I'm not sure what "authorial distance" is supposed to accomplish here, although you people are all much more sophisticated at talking about these things than I am so
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh xp
i thought it was a p compelling scene, it was funny and horrific not just horrific which takes a deft touch imho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
all i want is due recognition of my suffering
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess my issue with it (and i agree that the tone and effect were intentional) is that i found it horrific, and not so funny. again, tho, i'm not critiquing her skill or artistic vision. i'm just noting my own discomfort with it. it might just be too dark for me. (also, i don't think there's been a lot of discussion here about the 'not totally consensual' stuff, like her constantly asking him if he was using a condom and the lack of clarity about whether that was so. again, it might be true to life, but it's also really dark and unsettling and i don't think pointing out that it's unsettling is somehow unfair. it may be more unfair to try and downplay that.)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think one useful approach might be to just be like Whoah, if this is normal or at least not that uncommon in the lives of some people who happen to be women of a certain age or w/e, maybe the world they move through is kinda different from mine, and then to think about reasons that might be so? Which is kinda back to horseshoe's comment that Dunham didn't put this meanness in the world.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Or is that too earnest for this thread? Sorry.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i prefer stories that go: here is a situation, here are some characters, read it yourself. i think authors don't have to spell the world out. but because people quite often seem to think that is their aim, it's braver writing, i think, when an author is prepared to show something ugly and not comment on it, or distance her/himself out of fear this will seem to be based on the writer and how s/he operates in the world, or fear s/he thinks this is a pefectly fine dynamic in the world.
― estela, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
agree
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
aaron sorkin said the increasing popularity of this style of low exposition storytelling was made possible by the tv on dvd explosion, which i thought was p interesting
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
If this is too upsetting, there's always Whitney, 2 Broke Girls, The New Girl, and Don't Trust The Bee.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
how does this show compare to breaking bad that show's great
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
its prob not as good as breaking bad but ive only seen one ep so
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
lenas character should go into business selling opium tea
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
watched the pilot last night, I was expecting to love it or hate it but I'm still on the fence, I found it about 40% funny and 60% irritating
zosia mamet's character was like nails on chalkboard to me yeeesh
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
"all i'll need to finish my book is $1100 a month for the next 2 years""ha!!""I know, you're thinking, who can live in nyc on 1100 a month? I'm willing to get thrifty here"
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha yes that was a good one
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
the dad's (from Undeclared - which was better than Freaks & Geeks) reaction to the opium tea was pretty hilarious
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont need to google it its like smoking banana peels lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
that last scene btw her and the parents was all pretty funny
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
peter scolari was never in undeclared, are you thinking of loudon wainwright?
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's this thing where in tv i always feel like ppl do less drug than irl and that was the same here but it definitely seemed like a realistic version of people being bad at drugs like when he asks his gf if its ok to have some opium T
― judith, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha the clingy soft bf reminded me of myself in an uncomfortable way
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
the awkward sex/ridiculous boyfriend - it didn't click for me, maybe it was that the boyfriend was too cartoonishly a dick and that the scene was neither funny nor dramatic?Flat is a fine way to play things, IMO, but not when you're also writing really broad secondary characters there should be punchlines/payoffs or something.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
― judith, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:39 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah part of the dynamic i think is that they want to be all bohemian but are really kinda square
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah these people are definitely like "young professionals," i can't really imagine how this world intersects with table's tbh
― judith, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
many young professionals are much better at drugs than that tbf
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
iirc table hates "middle class ppl problems"
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
i can't really imagine how this world intersects with table's tbh
― judith, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:42 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
college, non profits, art openings
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
i feel bad that the episode is being asked to carry the weight of the world (it's unclear whether the mom is a prominent character to be developed or just a plot device at this point), but hey, the point of making TV is for people to watch and care
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
we're probably never seeing the parents again, right?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:43 PM (3 minutes ago)
her riot grrl body image tattoo solution reminds me so much of the lamp hipster/alt dichotomy and i feel like in a post occupy world these ppl hang out less and less
― judith, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait idk why i quoted that there.
oh i meant to c+p max
somewhat analogous to the sixties radical/hippie split <<just spitballin
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
can someone link to "the lamp hipster/alt dichotomy" ?
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
the actor who plays the sadsack boyfriend is gr8, i think.
where do i go to read this lamp hipster treatise?
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol xp
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?showall=true&bookmarkedmessageid=3410038&boardid=77&threadid=89067
― judith, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's a lot there but ok i think i get it
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
The truth is that Girls feels less like portrait of a generation than a napkin doodle of bougie urbane privilege. All consoling cupcakes and winking and parents-who-are-both-of-them-professors, it’s like the origin story for a new breed of Cathy, ack-ing her way through professional and personal malaise and urgently nudging you all, “Yeah, right? You too, right?!” Halfway through the first episode I expected Lena Dunham to use the phrase “go girl” in air quotes and then turn and wink at the camera like she’s Zack fucking Morris. It’s lousy.
http://maisonneuve.org/blog/2012/04/17/why-hbos-girls-unfunny-vacuum-pandering-privileged/
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
My wife said, "so this main girl is basically Liz Lemon if she got fired from her first comedy gig?".
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
that dude tweeted angrily about it for like 24 straight hours yday xp
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
what feels like the portrait of a generation
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol he actually went w/ack cathy
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
fuck that dude
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
To paraphrase something my girlfriend said—yes, I have a girlfriend, despite the fact that I’m an agent of the patriarchy who doesn’t like Girls—this show is lifestyle porn for the willfully miserable, indulgent escapism for people who think they need to be unhappy to be real.
wincing r/n
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like when he quotes his girlfriend so we know his opinion is valid
ha xpost
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol i haven't seen this show, what am i even doing
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
is she directing all the episodes or just writing?
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
wikipedia has her listed as director of the first three, solo writer of the first five and co-writer of the sixth and seventh show.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
seventh episode seems sure to provoke commentary: "Welcome to Bushwick a.k.a. The Crackcident"
wiki also says this is ep 7 - "Welcome to Bushwick a.k.a. The Crackcident" lol xp
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
we shd prob just lock this thread now
when does j0n w1ll1ams guest?
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
i cannot wait for the cackcident!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
Dunham co-wrote all ten episodes of the first season and directed five.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Michael Penn does the musical score for Girls, maybe the episode title is a nod to his album MP4: Days Since a Lost Time Crackcident
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe it's about a butt crack
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
"that's like not being on facebook""i'm not on facebook""you're so classy"
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha aw i kind of love that li'l mamet girl
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
"you're so fucking classy", i think it was
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
is the tall one brian williams' daughter?
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
"and of course when i go to work i try to wear my miranda hat."
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought zosia mamet was pretty funny, much better actress than her stepmom too
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
damn, sneak dissin on rebecca pidgeon
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
the look she got on her face when she was like "sometimes a little samantha comes out" <3
xp poor rebecca pidgeon
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
her mom lindsay crouse is a good actress
― buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
poor poor rebecca pigeon lol xp
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wonder if she h8s her dad
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh, lindsay crouse is her mom! lindsay crouse is rad.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
li'l mamet's scene was the only funny one in the pilot for me
― buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
she had some funny lines, I like her in Mad Men a lot, when I say she's irritating I know her character is supposed to be cringeworthy. mission accomplished I guess!
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
this show is good
― akm, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wish at least one person on this thread would really hate it so everyone could have a big argument
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I liked this! Wish I had HBO so I could watch it.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
give me a couple episodes and i might take a firm anti stance tbh
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, hey, maybe everyone knows already, but I just saw that HBO is streaming the pilot ep on their site.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think that would hit harder if it wasn't actually a show about economic privilege already
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
The backlash against this show is so strident. I don't get it.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
"born on third. think they hit a triple" kinda a decent description of the text of the show really, except for the 'thinking they hit a triple' part. more like, 'born on third. think they struck out.'
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
backlash? almost everything i've read about this show everywhere (except for like 2 blog posts) has been incredibly positive
Were any people really really really mad when Robert Downey Sr.'s son and Blythe Danner's daughter and Beau Bridges' son made that movie with Vince Vaughn's BFF about the problems of a young arms dealer with daddy isues?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol at "the drummer of bad company's daughter" being the mark of privilege. i mean, she probably wasn't destitute, but ... annnnnyway, is this show funny? or not.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol I mean Lloyd Bridges, whoops xpost
surprised they didn't play up that she's the daughter of puppeteering superstar Jeff Dunham
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I refuse to watch anything by Joss Whedon because holy fuck he's a third generation tv scribe, was born with a silver pen in his mouth ohhh it just fills me with class rage
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thought this was alright, hoping that the show is able to evolve past examining its own privilege/entitlement though, as I'm pretty sure that's gonna get old fast.
― ryan, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
"and you thought they cancelled 'how to make it in america'" predictably got a lol out of me
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
Were any people really really really mad when Robert Downey Sr.'s son....
Probably not, bcz Senior made avant-garde films, tho I guess Putney Swope was a sleeper quasi-hit.(box set next month btw)
who is Laurie Simmons?
wasn't "born on third. thinks s/he hit a triple" popularized by ex-Tex Gov Ann Richards re Dubya?
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is great
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't have time for art art, that's not how I roll
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
"being the son of a notorious hollywood gadfly is really no advantage, certainly not up there with being Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter."
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
do you have time for google? it's attached to the box you're currently using.
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol, i bet all these ppl wish they had even a tenth of the exposure that Girls has. ppl weren't really mad bc ppl didn't care?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was Jim Hightower on Bush Sr., I think (xps)
― boxall, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was pat o'brien on billy bush.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
ooooh, L Simmons does "interactive dollhouses" -- what could I be missing?
maybe they should make Chris Walken a regular so there's someone around whose parents ran a diner.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh, was this iron man 2? lulz
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
feel like being the progeny of successful showbiz people is a different kind of privilege than having parents who are just rich in some other way. i haven't thought any further about it tho..
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha mordy i wasn't gonna say anything because people have been really overly unclear about when they're being sarcastic here lately
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i just think it's funny when that is and isn't thrown around scornfully. anybody more bothered by Lena Dunham's success than the Strokes...
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh man i think i have ptsd from the strokes war, come on
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
well, people care about your pedigree when you're new, not after you've spent two or three decades proving your mettle. not that the iron man/girls thing was meant to be taken too seriously, obv.
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
people really care that you're Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
well it doesn't play into the narrative if she doesn't have a famous parent as well
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
they care enough to make it a punchline in an apparently controversial joke poster (xpost)
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tiny Furniture is not as bad as the first Strokes album, true
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
1. Have a mom who makes interactive dollhouses.2. ?3. Profit.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
My friend's dad used to play drums in the Interactive Dollhouses.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
only lolsy to bring up Bad Company because of Dunham's quote "The only thing that would make it not a coincidence is that they came in with a preternatural willingness to play and an understanding of the creative process that probably comes from being raised around it."
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh man
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
really want someone to make the iron man 2 version of that poster
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Lloyd Bridges's son isn't in Iron Man 2.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
guys it's iron man 1, jeff bridges isn't in 2, the possibly less privileged mickey rourke and sam rockwell are
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
lots of occupations run in families!
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Flashing back to Marc Maron and Mindy Kaling talking about living near Harvard Square, going into butt-sniffing detail block by block for 15 minutes in order to judge whether she was privileged or legit.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
actually rockwell was the son of actors and Mickey's dad was an amateur body builder IS THERE ANYONE IN HOLLYWOOD WHO DID NOT HAVE AN UNFAIR LEG UP MY GOD
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sam Rockwell has been living off Somebody's Watching Me royalties for years.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I do agree w/ L.D. that Brian Williams' work in TV "news" relies entirely on "the creative process."
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
since it's a show about privileged kids from upper + upper-middle-class families, i think it's pretty understandable that the actors/writers/creators are from a similar background?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
David Crosa and J.T. Leroy are the only honest men left.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Acting is a trade, like cobbling or blacksmithing.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
literally nobody is outraged that the show did not sufficiently audition actresses of blue collar parentage, it's just something funny to talk about, it wouldn't even be a talking point if all four of the leads didn't each have a parent in show biz
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's called acting, Dustin, dear boy.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
literally nobody
― Lamp, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
well ok there's an angry blog post somewhere about every aspect of this show, i'm sure. but nobody in this thread, probably not the guy who made the poster even.
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
figuratively nobody
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
unanimity that NBC News is showbiz is grand
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's just that nobody gives 2 shits about your pithy social commentary to respond to it one way or the other actually
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
michael jackson popcorn dot gif
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
don't get pithed off
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
ayoooo
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Maybe we should just replace all creative work with spreadsheets of itemised privilege.
― Popture, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol hbo put the first ep up on youtube
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
*laughs uncontrollably*
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
I went lol because now I will watch it s1ocki jeeze
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was a self lol
I just watched a min of it and closed the window now I'm typing
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh i thought it was an hbo lol
*stops laughing*
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
s1ock track
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Dunham's said she's gonna work on having more nonwhite characters in the 2nd season btw
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
as someone pointed out upthread that is pretty hilarious
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
She's waiting for Willow Smith to age into the role.
― Popture, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
as the 5th or 6th GIRL on this thread i say you all made this sound like it was gonna be so so bad but you are sexists, it was a little bit bad but i think it will improve. i didn't mind it.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Rashida Jones and Willow Smith, I assume
arrrgh xp
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
obama's second term will be progressive too
― buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont understand the rashida jones joke
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
She's Quincy Jones' daughter
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh ya
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
she's Peggy Lipton's daughter!
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have a list of 5,000 card carrying entertainment industry scions in hollywood today
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe they'll put george clooney in it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not sexist I'm sexy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
also hate women, conceptually
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
aren't there only like four characters on this show? did anyone ever make this complaint about seinfeld?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
im sure someone did
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
None of the characters in Seinfeld were likeable enough for it to be a problem.
― Popture, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
a few little thoughts/anecdotes/responses:
1. I wasn't particularly fond of this first episode for the reasons stated above. I found it to be somewhat...true in its mundanity, but not particularly funny. And Lena is very funny. Evidenced by...
2. A discussion we had almost five years ago where she flat-out said to me in a room full of people, "You know, [boyfriend at the time] and I tried anal, and I just felt like I was going to poop on him the entire time, it was so uncomfortable, I admire you gay men." Which obviously is really really funny. We both just started laughing because of how ridiculous it was. Many more where that came from.
I think that this is what some people find redeeming about her humor— it thrives on and plays off of the stupidity and absurdity of a young person's thoughts and misconceptions and mistakes in a way that is relatable. The eating stuff is there because guess what? The awkwardness of eating certain foods (or eating foods in non-food-related spaces) is always funny. That's like a lesson from comedy school.
3. yeah these people are definitely like "young professionals," i can't really imagine how this world intersects with table's tbh
― judith, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:42 (7 hours ago) Permalink
a) we went to college together, and were fast friends. one of lena's best childhood friends is one of my all-time best friends (who ilxor elan dated for a while there), and so it goes.b) her dad was one of the rich kids at the prep school where my dad went for free because his dad worked there. they knew each other, i have a really funny picture of the four of us at graduation. (everyone was drunk).c) many many many of my friends from college are not people i would become friends with today if we met today...however, our shared experiences both in and out of school have made the relationships last despite my obvious misgivings about the 'life choices' or inclinations of those friends. the same goes for them— a lot of them think i'm totally insane, but they also know that i will always have their backs and i know that they will have mine, so whatever.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I liked it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
ppl always made nonwhite complaint about Woody Allen movies -- c'mon, he didn't even hang out w/ that many Gentiles. I remember after one heavy year of it his new film opened with a club/restaurant scene (maybe Elaine's) prominently featuring black extras.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
woody allen was kind of a dick about that criticism iirc
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
also he cast a black woman as a prostitute in deconstructing harry, so it's all good
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
table, are those Lena's actual personal tattoos?
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
also he cast a black woman as J Edgar Hoover in Bananas
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess I could just try to find a photograph of her arm in 'real life"
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
solved my own problem
btw thx for the Rashida Jones info; I was wondering why this very lovely woman w/ minimal talent keeps popping up in comedy films
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
she's also on TELEVISION
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
well i wouldn't know.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
hence the ironic capitals
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
you really think she gets roles in comedy films because she's quincy jones' daughter? i mean im sure that got her foot in the door but also p sure that's not how casting works
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, maybe that got her a start (in Freaks & Geeks, right?), and maybe her fame/wealth gave her the luxury of auditions and stuff with no concern for food/rent, etc., but I assume she's been doing fine on her own since then. I mean, it's not Tori Spelling situation. Rashida Jones at least has some modicum of talent, or at least feel for comedic timing.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
not as much as they did about Friends, seinfeld had a fair number of nonwhite supporting players, there's clearly more than 4 characters on Girls because if it didnt i would be hearing about this crazy avant-garde show about a new york with a population of 4 people
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
those are her real tats, yes.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 02:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
man idk about this. it was ok but pretty bleak, yeah. i have an overactive cringe reflex so it wasn't really enjoyable viewing. i guess i liked ms williams the best? lol bourgie, sue me. the guy playing her hapless boyfriend was a champ.
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I watched a bit of this on youtube, and I think if it were a bunch of slacker dudes (or I should say, another show about a bunch of slacker dudes) it'd be getting a pass (more or a pass?). Dunno if I blame sexism or what. I do know that the main girl reminds me a lot of Greta Gerwig in "Greenberg." This sort of passive and awkward "oh, and now this is happening to me" character.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
o jesus greenberg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
shirtless dude was pretty horrifying in basically every way I can imagine
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait I thought ppl basically liked this
― iatee, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
he was the only person who was enjoyably, watchably awful
i don't think i "liked" it but i don't think it was bad
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha everyone seemed like the villain characters in a romcom starring other people
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is an excellent premiss, you should get in touch w/ms dunham and tell her to start describing the show that way, maybe table can pass it along
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i liked, i guess i was bracing for something more misanthropic or horrible or something?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
― goole, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:41 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
― goole, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post
i don't get this though; he was the worst to watch!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just got into a long text argument with a friend about this.
I like the chemistry of Dunham and the shirtless dude. It looked like they had a history, like they give each other shit a lot. Even though he's definitely insensitive and pretentious and kind of scummy, he's also ironical about it and it's like he's being emotionally defensive as much as he's being a straight dick. His emotional distance fits her in a way. The way that not-so-fat-anymore line was directed was clever, the way it was covered up and made slightly ambiguous. There are a lot of lines in the show like that, where they're covered up by rapport and verbal chemistry and history, so that the lines fit in the characters' lives and aren't just "lines."
I like how even though she seems kind of naive, she's also always fucking with people in this impish way. She's a likable antihero.
Some parts didn't work, some of the writing was canned. I didn't mind by the end of the episode.
The domesticity of the girls' lives was convincing, too. Dunham and her skinny brunette gf pulled off the intimacy of sharing a tub without looking too cute.
Not funny, but witty and amusing. It's like the jokes are diegetic jokes, meant to work in their world but not in ours.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp my friend is a woman and she hated the sex scene so much. He has an odd face and voice.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
he was gross
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
For some reason the funniest thing to me was the hand and arm motion the Williams girls made to direct her boyfriend out of the bathroom.
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
girl*
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just watched this, liked it, don't like to judge new shows based on the pilots so will carry on watching. To me the idea of parents paying... all your bills? everything? once you've left home is just totally, totally alien. You might go live with your parents once you've left college or maybe they'd help out with rent but pay for everything? I guess it's a bit more the norm in the US? Whatever.
How on earth is the Williams girl not related to Jennifer Carpenter?? I thought I was on a roll after watching Deadwood and noticing that Cy Tolliver and one of the whores have identical faces then finding out they're father & daughter IRL...
― kinder, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not even remotely the norm.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
im increasingly grossed out by the conflation of "degrading sex" and anal sex in this episode.
― judith, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, not the norm at all. I'm an only child and was admittedly pretty spoiled but my parents would have laughed their asses off at the idea of supporting me totally after college. If I needed their help every now and they were happy to give it but they never would have just paid all my bills for me no questions asked. I do know a bunch of people who had this kind of arrangement but it's still def not the norm.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
oops x-post
I should have said couple not bunch, I think.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought it was mean that they wouldn't even pay for her cell phonei liked the creepy guy. not that i liked him but that he was truly hard to watch.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just saw Ms Dunham in a bit as a nurse in Todd Haynes' Mildred Pierce
(only knew from the credits)
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:40 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm looking forward to feeling sadly deflated by the continued poor fortunes of this guy, he came on screen & i was all well what a nice young man!. there's a bit in an interview w/LD where she talks about like, 'the nice guy versus the tough guy' or whatever, which i can't really begin to imagine the dynamics of but which might be one of the more interesting aspects of the portrayal of guys on the show. poor lil dreamboat.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i want someone to plant small exploding morning kisses on my cheek
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Her getting cut off by her parents is just a set-up for a future peripatetic premise, wherein she travels the country helping people while in search for a job and lifestyle that fit her, like a millennial "Highway to Heaven." Just you watch.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
went ahead and made that iron man poster
― da croupier, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
you should really rewatch this episode bc it's clear that you didn't understand the basic facts of what occurred in it
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
This in interesting and related: http://www.theawl.com/2012/04/women-writers-new-york
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't read any articles with "writers" and "new york" in the URL
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I confess ... can't read. *sniffs* I was hoping one of you would read that for me and tell me if it was interesting or related.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
good news its a cat youtube
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought this was pretty great. Loved how it subverted so many conventions of "friends in the city" TV series.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
― horseshoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think because he was the worst one as-written? and that actor played a little more broadly than the rest of the cast. "...nobody's fuuucking slaaaave" etc
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Watched last night and have lots of thoughts about it which I'll try to express in a semi-comprehensible way.
*The tone of the show is strangely affectless. Not sure if that is a stylistic choice or the result of sub-par acting.
*This lead to me not having particularly strong feelings about any part. The parents didn't seem particularly mean and the sex scene with the shirtless guy wasn't nearly as painful as I had expected, after all it was basically Hannah's booty call.
*There was very little plot there: things happened and then other things happened. Not much of an arc for a sitcom.
*We know very little about the various main characters, who they are, why they hang out with each other. The one "innocent" friend only appeared for about 30 seconds.
*Was surprised by how closely their personality types match up with the SATC model.
*Really did not like the uptight "best friend" character. Felt her treatment of the "nice" boyfriend was way worse than his behavior, although his habit of randomly entering bathrooms was way more obnoxious than his wishy-washyness.
*The food scenes (spaghetti, cupcake) were clearly there for their humor content. I don't think they were supposed to be saying something about her body image or self-esteem. It seemed much more like here's a girl who likes herself a cupcake is darned well going to eat one in the bath just because she can.
*My favorite part was Hannah's opium induced freak out. I loved the fakeness and silliness of it.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
The McDonald's contrarian was so perfect.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Felt her treatment of the "nice" boyfriend was way worse than his behavior
I think that was the point
― Number None, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
no way that guy was a drip
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think it's a little of both, but it's definitely mean of the best friend to be repulsed by him and not end it. she's great, though.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean it was a good illustration of that time in a relationship when its failing and everything the other person does puts you off. In fact the nicer they are the more horrible you are to them
― Number None, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
sure, but it made me wonder what it was about the best friend character we were supposed to find sympathetic. I don't get how she fits in to this show or why she is best friends with Hannah, who is a much more likeable and interesting person.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
last night a female friend told me that this show is amazing.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
well, I guesss I have to watch the pilot!
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 15:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
obvious sympathetic-ness is overrated
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
definitely
― Number None, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
column a, column b, etc.
― some former lust object you've shamefully forgotten (some dude), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's part of why it reminded me of a female version of Cassavetes, in the way that the scenes have unusual rhythms. Also because Dunham looks so normal/nautral.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think NRO would really like this show
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
why
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
justify your provocative statement!!!
bc i was thinking, if you were going to make a show that argues that pre-marital sex, living in NYC, getting humanities degree, etc were bad for the soul, would it look much different from the pilot?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
NRO version of Girls would have flamboyant drug-addled girl hobos warming their hands over burn barrels, I think.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
or have one of them admit that her reckless sexual lifestyle has resulted in an unintended pregnancy
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
already pretty inevitable that there'll be an abortion plotline, isn't it?
― some former lust object you've shamefully forgotten (some dude), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
all casual drug-users are irresponsible idiots who think that opium tea can get them high
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait, didn't one already say she was knocked up?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol yes, that was my point
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
if it were an NRO production, they'd spout empty liberal platitudes nonstop (while not so subtly revealing their hypocritical racism and narcissism), express sneering contempt for traditional virtues of every imaginable sort, and wind up swindled by savvy "ethnic" "street" characters for a punchline.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
Going to lol if the first person of color shows up in The Crackcident
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'll be doing something, but it won't be lolling
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
i didn't say NRO could have made this show, just that they could find a lot to like about it
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://blaria.com/2012/04/18/girls/
(HS - I think you will like that ^)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
a blog that is named for the fact that its creator considers herself "the black Daria"...
― some former lust object you've shamefully forgotten (some dude), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
listen ignore that part - the piece is funny
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
what's wrong with being called "the black daria"??
i felt like this show struck a weird note. almost everything about the dialogue and characters was so off...i found myself being like "who EVER has conversations like this?" so many times, and also it is completely unbelievable to me that a bunch of rich young new yorkers are that naive about drugs!! come the fuck on that is their bread and butter. the only thing that was even a little compelling was lena dunham's character...but the only thing compelling is her depression/self-loathing. bleak show.
― bene_gesserit, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't think it's that bleak! Who among us has never hung around a bunch 20something fuckups?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
i agree it was totally off. i am trying not to be a typical white person and a jerk but after one episode i am not prepared to hate the show because it lacks POC. for example, i think freaks and geeks was fine, it was all white ppl iirc, it was a school and schools in the u.s. are segregated just like groups of best friends/roommates are segregated. but i would say that, i'm white! it is maybe more of a problem how it is hard for POC to get shows that they make hyped to this extent. i did however think the random black guy telling her to smile was a little weird and the asian on the computer same.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
the totally off was a separate thought re: the dialogue like b_g said
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i just got to this part
Look, I completely understand the concept of “write what you know.” Hello, this blog is named Blaria. My brand is contingent on my knowing about being Black (plenty of Black History Month reports will do the trick) as well as being sarcastic and droll (being a teenager taught me that).
and just went "yeah i don't need to keep reading this." but then i hate Daria.
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
dialogue rang totally true to me but maybe I hang out with squares?
― max, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol yeah...
― iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
i only hang out with cool ppl
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
i want to like lena dunham because she is being hailed as the new face of feminist film or whatever, but i don't really feel like there is anything feminist about this, it's a character whose only relatable quality is that she hates herself and does humiliating things, which is presented as comedy :( and seriously i am highly suspicious of anything on hbo because they are the absolute worst w/r/t portrayals of women on their series and i would bet $$ on the fact that they picked this up for the wrong reasons (built-in humiliation of women ...)
i mean - even in this thread people were saying that the scene in the pipe was their favorite part of "tiny furniture"...i guess i just wonder why our culture needs to see women humiliated so much. i'm sorry if i have a hard time believing that most of the men who watch this are thinking about "what it all means", rather than just being titillated or laughing about it. maybe lena dunham doesn't consider herself a feminist and is just caught in a media blitz, but it's condescending and sad to have this shoved down my throat as "feminism 2k12". and of course the implied "feminism as the exclusive domain of educated rich white people" is also extremely obnoxious and tired.
i did like "tiny furniture" and want to like this but i am afraid of it being accepted as is. [/RANT}
― bene_gesserit, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
hey bell, i share your suspicion of film/tv where women are humiliated. i think dunham's portrayal of those moments is qualitatively different from, say, a hitchcock film. it seems like the impulse is less to humiliate the characters than to represent experiences women sometimes have that don't fit the mythology of, say, traditional romantic comedies. i don't view tiny furniture as punishing of the dunham character when she has that horrible sex in the pipe; i view it more as representing an experience of being a young woman where you're kind of reckless and willing to try some things out and how badly that sometimes goes. also how alienating sexual encounters can sometimes be. i feel like those are realities of feminine experience i don't see onscreen that much? it just seems humanized to me in tiny furniture and in the pilot of girls, rather than objectifying, though i guess in a visual medium it can be hard to distinguish those two things.
not sure if i'm right about that; obvs it's easier for me to feel that way off the bat with a woman behind the camera.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
out of all the things i've seen written about this show itt and elsewhere i haven't seen really a single thing that's even mentioned the word "feminism"
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i remember dunham saying she would be incredibly suspicious of any male director who asked her to do the things that she has herself doing in her own movies
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
― some dude, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:05 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark
to be fair you probably dont read many feminist blogs or whatever (maybe im way off-base)
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think that the motives are exactly how you described, (x-post horseshoe) and why i was ok with it in the format of an indie film, but i am just highly cynical that most people watching hbo are thinking critically about what they are watching.
― bene_gesserit, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
almost ever single thing ive seen written about this show - from that horrified frank bruni review to the very complimentary one in the new yorker - have mentioned it
― Lamp, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am trying not to be a typical white person and a jerk but after one episode i am not prepared to hate the show because it lacks POC. for example, i think freaks and geeks was fine, it was all white ppl iirc, it was a school and schools in the u.s. are segregated just like groups of best friends/roommates are segregated. but i would say that, i'm white! it is maybe more of a problem how it is hard for POC to get shows that they make hyped to this extent. i did however think the random black guy telling her to smile was a little weird and the asian on the computer same.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:25 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i don't hate it because it lacks people of color, fwiw. jho also observed that the whiteness might be purposeful because white people of a certain class hang out with white people of a certain class. a thing that has been made real to me and has made me angry of late is a realization that white people of my acquaintance will tune out of culture featuring people of color, assuming it's not "for" them, so yeah, i think the marketability of a show like this might go down the more people of color it features prominently.
i wish there were more characters of color because i have a lot of accumulated anger about this subject tbh. probably more about me than it is about this specific show.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
also i love white people and shows about white people and books about white people and have devoted my life to the consumption of culture about white people so whatever @ me; i've been totally asking for it.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dunno bene_gesserit's post just made it sound like "a feminist show" (as opposed to "a show by/about young women" in which feminism is an inevitable concern) was the entire narrative around the show both in the media coverage and from the perspective of the show's creator, which struck me as odd
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess we are reading different media because most of what i've read about this show has discussed it as a feminist work.
― bene_gesserit, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
what is the differece between 'a feminist show' and 'not a feminist show'
― iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
GIRLS
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
i saw this btw it was decently funny except when they talked about facebook so you'd know they know where the hands have come to on the clock
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
the shirtless boyfriend almost offended me on behalf of my gender but nah i'm sure that's how half of us behave
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
couldn't stop thinking about how small his head was relative to his torso
― raw feel vegan (silby), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know right! First thing I said when I saw him, his head does not go with that body.
― kinder, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
i do think this show will kinda stack up better after a while. it's weird to think about it in terms of sympathy, or in terms of realism; there was maybe not a moment but a point in tiny furniture at which it became apparent that she wasn't shooting for a story but for a pretty cynical, i guess sorta self-loathing critique, and that that was the POV it had, on her generation, or on being stupid & in your twenties, rather than the whole thing being a charming or compelling portrait of the individual characters.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
i keep wanting to bring up nicole holofcener but more for the sake of it than anything.
― judith, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha, no that's p otm
― blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Every wall in NYC seems to carry an advert for this programme. Every free magazine in Brooklyn talks about it. And even the UK Guardian is banging on about it. It is quite sad not to be able to watch it.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw in the main pic the Lena chick looks better than the other 3, I wonder if she knows this
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
pinefox, search 'girls hbo' on youtube and you can watch the whole first ep
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
watching this show made me glad to not be in my 20s, in that i could relate to some of the awkwardness, but mostly i felt like i was watching a show not meant for me. and that's okay.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
brian williams' daughter's legs are the best thing about that pic imo, lena looks like she's trying a little too hard to convey the tone of the entire show in her posture and facial expression
ratings weren't great, got less viewers than eastbound & down
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
watching this made me think about Solondz and how i think his films are genius, but perhaps that's an unfair comparison since Dunham's film/show isn't full-on satire. though it kind of is.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's seriously becoming hilarious to me that there are multiple promotional photos where she strikes that exact pose
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
really odd thing about the pic at the top, I belatedly realize / formulate, is that it appears to show them together, as friends, but they appear all to be in different scenes, with expressions totally unrelated to each other
the one on the left (is she the English one?), laughing at something quite other than her chums, or laughing at her chums while looking totally inappropriately away, is the one that really makes this effect a bit unnerving or annoying for me.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I do want to watch this programme (thanks Rrrobyn) but I read "Lena D and best friend interview each other" in a free Brooklyn magazine (L?) last week and it was horrendously self-aggrandizing and worthy.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
ah, yes, well, it's not called Friends, it's called Girlsxp
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha i wish this show was called Happy Ladies
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's seriously becoming hilarious to me that there are multiple promotional photos where she strikes that exact pose, lena looks like she's trying a little too hard to convey the tone of the entire show in her posture and facial expression
otm it's really annoying
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbh i was sort of wondering if that was a photographer's instruction so that shed be hiding her body
― max, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, don't say that. :(
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
show should be called "in my world of young people"
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
the photo should have been staged like this imho
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
One of the things I really liked about the pilot was that it doesn't present them as some kind of artificial self-contained friend-cluster. You might come home from work and there are random dudes hanging out in your apartment.
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
also im beginning to wonder if any of you have ever seen publicity photos / movie posters before
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
oof: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2012/04/girls-writer-learning-theres-no-such-thing-ironic-racism/51338/
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess that explains the meanness
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah. btw link in Clusterfuck thread indicates that Arfin is a former Vice writer.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
that yeah was to al
ah i knew that name looked familiar
― goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
multiple promotional photos where she strikes that exact pose
Her pose is always the same because it is a design feature. It conveys the stereotype her character is built around. Since the series is too new to have progressed beyond the grossest of stereotypes into nuances, the pose is still unchanged. Simple, really.
― Aimless, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
I haven't seen the show yet, but I still think she is weirdly cute.
― Memorial Highway (admrl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
here's the link from that thread, in the interests of completism. i agree with the writer of that article that a lot of pressure was being placed on this one show wrt lack of diversity, which makes arfin seem like that much more of an idiot. there are so many graceful ways she could have responded to the criticism.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't give a fuck about people of color I hate white people
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
x-post - otm - her responses were idiotic though.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
tho I was hanging out w/ some friends last week and suddenly one of the people pointed out that we were all diff races, and then they suddenly said "this feels like the UN" and I didn't like that for some reason I dunno but I was stoned so I don't know
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is a super 1990s joke
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
right
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
i feel like someone makes it in a 90s movie. about ethnic tension in the Balkans, no less.
say Benneton ad, channel the 80s
― toandos, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
"this feels like the UN" vs "United Colors of Benetton"xp haha
― Memorial Highway (admrl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean it was a single episode that had a limited number of speaking parts to begin with; if this was a season in I could understand the POC issues but like it's not shocking that an overprivileged white girl would hang out with other overprivileged white girls
― Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
godammit i wanted to make the Benetton joke
― Number None, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Let's all make it on 3.
― Memorial Highway (admrl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Memorial Highway (admrl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
had never seen that commersh b4
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
nb this following rant might be totally challopsky or whatever but: the reason ppl think that ironic racism is okay to use is bc they don't really believe the sentiments that they're delivering. they're making a racist joke, but they don't really hate the group that they're making the joke about. but all kinds of racists have distance from the sentiments that they express. they tell jokes about other races that are formed by hyperbole that they don't actually agree with - they're just using it for comedic effect. or they don't hate ppl of other races, they just don't think they're as good, or as valued, or whatever. i mean, ironic racism is obv racism bc you're verbally demeaning another group of ppl to give yourself a chuckle. isn't that the entire basis of any racist joke ever, ironic or not?
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Aimless, Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:10 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
oh i know i know, i'm not playing clueless about the nature of image and design like s1ocki was saying. i just find it funny that they've honed in on that particular body language as shorthand for post-modern urban female angst or whatever, the same way a kid might shrug with his hands out in a "who me?" pose on the poster of a broad family comedy.
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
"ironic" racism is about being rich and white and perceiving yourself as cosmopolitan and smart so you get to say whatever you want, in implicit contradistinction to hillbillies toting confederate flags or whatever. it's not like it's less racist than what you brand non-ironic racism among white people who are poorer than you. it doesn't mean "ironic" racists don't mean what they're saying, viz. gavin mcinnes.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
omg i read that girl's book once. arfin i mean. a compilation of her vice columns, because vice sent it to me unsolicited and i was moving house at the time and had put all my other books into boxes when this totally puerile book of dissolute long island hipster lifestyle porn showed up on the porch, so naturally i read the whole thing in one day while waiting for buses back and forth across town (this was a tricky move). i was sitting at a downtown portland bus stop reading it at about ten o clock on a friday night, surrounded by luggage, and this tipsy-seeming guy in a professorial jacket stopped talking to his date mid-pontification, asked to see what i was reading, took it from me, pointed to the cover (lol, god), expressed disgust to his date, and told me to read, i swear, "a little more euripides, and a little less... chloe sevigny." what a dick right.
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm guessing there's like a million post thread about this on ilx already re Vice
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
lolllllllll xp
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
x-post - hahahaha
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
hmmm those casting call ads in AWire story are quite unsurprisingly eyerolling
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
medea is like the greek girls tho
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't know if this has been talked about incessantly already, but I feel like the main problem with this show is the title. If it had been called, like Tumblr Users or Awkward Dorks or Lena & Pals or whatever, I don't think people would be wrestling with whether or not this show is inclusive of a broad range of experience.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
a good rule of thumb is "ironic (x) is still (x)" xp
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
or insufficient as the new face of feminism (xpost)
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
makes sense for a whole range of things.
ironic eating is still eatingironic dancing is still dancingironic singing is still singingironic racism is still racism
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.theonion.com/articles/ironic-porn-purchase-leads-to-unironic-ejaculation,1567/
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Have you ever gone to a restaurant as a joke?
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol how did i miss that thread. i'm quoted at the top!
― goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i can never remember who said this but there's a quote like: "whatever the intent, irony allows the unsayable to be said". eegh it's probably zizek.
― goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha. broken clock, twice a day.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok guys you keep posting to this thread and it's free on this hbo mobile app thingy so I'm gonna check it out
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
what is the HBO mobile app thingy - can use with ipad?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think that's the way it's meant to be watched!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
who watches tv on tv anymore anyway unless they're watching it ironically
there is one just called "HBO", grab that and not HBO Go or whatever because you have to be a subscriber for that one
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
kind of hate to see a show get indicted (somewhat) because of one jackass writer's tweets and pastOTOH, I really like seeing the jackass writer get raked over the coals
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.amoeba.com/whats-in-my-bag/index.html#/detail/2012-04-09_lena-dunham-and-lesley-arfin
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
man this dude she's getting it on with is a douchenozzle
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Arfin has deeply tragic tattoos.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
apparently that is better than being not douchey enough
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
man, i just have to say, lena dunham is super-adorable to me. i am mad @ her for being friends with this idiot but look how great she seems.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
ew omg ally mcbeal
is that "ironic" appreciation? i don't understand these young girls these days.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
so the "taking Obama to the White House" article - aside from being racist, it's badly written. I do not grasp how sub-college paper columns get people gigs writing for major shows
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not what you know but who you know, etc.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
NEPOTISM
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
parents yelling kind of reminds me of the SNL sketch where Will Ferrell is trying to be a dignified businessman and family dude and he starts yelling "I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS"
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha i love that sketch
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
i watched this the other day. i liked it enough to keep watching, which is not to say that i don't have some reservations. also, i found her hookup guy painful to watch, but i guess that was the point. but i thought she made their dynamic interesting enough. i loved the parents and how as soon as they said they were cutting her off, there was no grace period where she tried to pretend she would adjust maturely--she just launched into desperate persuasion.
― rayuela, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know this was a first episode and they can't really expand on every character in the first half hour, but I really didn't care about most of these people and their boyfriends are insufferable
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
^why it's not called "boyfriends"
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess they made them disposable but dude who slept over and "could move in" seems like he'll be a problem
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
"I, uh, exploded a kiss on you"
run, lady! you're dating a michael cera character
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw so hilarious + perfect that the closing credits song is by paul simon's son.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 19 April 2012 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
srsly? haw
― lathe darkman (some dude), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
looking forward to seeing this when I catch up with last 10 days' tv. I been too busy workin
― Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:58 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
omg!!! i kept waiting to feel like Girls's new york was paul simes's new york, like max said, and i didn't, until that song!!! omg!
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't know if this has been talked about incessantly already, but I feel like the main problem with this show is the title. If it had been called, like Tumblr Users or Awkward Dorks or Lena & Pals or whatever, I don't think people would be wrestling with whether or not this show is inclusive of a broad range of experience.― polyphonic, Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:29 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
― polyphonic, Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:29 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
diggin these titles
ew omg ally mcbeal― horseshoe, Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:02 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkis that "ironic" appreciation? i don't understand these young girls these days.― horseshoe, Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:03 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
― horseshoe, Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:02 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― horseshoe, Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:03 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah i had the same thought when dunham was expressing her deep appreciation for Friends. also its funny but when b_g was lamenting upthread that people might be watching Girls for the wrong reasons and how maybe the parade of female humiliation is harmful, i thought of Ally McBeal
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jesus was a beneficiary of nepotism too, ya know.
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
i feel so morbsy saying this but she was born in 1986, i'm sure she's not kidding about loving friends and ally mcbeal
― lathe darkman (some dude), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
'kidding' isnt the same as ironic appreciation, which is still a form of appreciation. i was born in 85, and the older i get the harder it is to ironically like shitty things. i think its more a mark of her age than her era is all
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
no, really, ally mcbeal has no redeeming qualities. i mean, it was offensive but it was also terrible.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 02:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
that was an xp
Yeah Ally McBeal was really just totally awful.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought it reinforced positive body image in young females
― yologram (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lathe darkman (some dude), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
guys, we watched golden girls and night court; everybody enjoys dumbfuck tv when they're kids
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
golden girls > most of what passes for sitcoms these days
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
yer proving my point here strongo
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
night court owned too
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
give me bitchy old broads zinging each other with fake sets and a laugh track over self-conscious single cam ironic meta whatever
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:42 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark
^^
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess this show should be called Non-Precious-Metal Girls
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Aluminum Girls
ok fuck it, i'm gonna guy buy some night court dvds, you guys bring the snacks and we'll have a marathon
― lathe darkman (some dude), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am watching this right now. It's OK so far, I guess. I really really dislike the girl in the pink juicy jumpsuit though. I realize she's supposed to be annoying but MY GOD.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
watch golden girls instead
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pink jumpsuit girl felt like a stock Apatow character dropped into Dunham's world
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
agreed but it was a bit of badly needed humor
― buzza, Friday, 20 April 2012 03:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
i loved mamet's scene. not bc she was anything more than a caricature but bc at least her awkward attempt to use mediocre pop culture as a prism to understand her life was recognizable + sympathetic to me. satc is such a terrible show but i have seen at least 70% of the episodes and i knew exactly what she meant when she said she tried to put her miranda hat on for work. i mean, totally asinine and ridiculous, but relatable.
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 03:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
satc is a pretty great show actually, or at least could be.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
I would be very surprised if GIRLS ever equalled it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Many other industry voices say Dunham is under no obligation to incorporate different minority groups.“Most wealthy white girls in America are surrounded by other wealthy white girls, so that’s who they choose to be friends with. So what? Are we so immature that we need to throw in a token African-American or Asian to make us better about the fact that some white people have zero exposure to diversity? That doesn’t help bring races together or heal inequality,” pop culture writer Jenn Hoffman told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column. “That’s an idealistic liberal media driven band-aid at best or completely unrealistic PC garbage at worst.”Dan Gainor, Vice President of Business & Culture for the Media Research Center concurred that the racial condemnation was “over-hyped.”“Not every TV show needs to find its PC racial balance so lefties can celebrate and network execs can market to every single minority in America," he said. "That might surprise some, but there are groups of friends that might be racially homogenous. It’s not a crisis."
“Most wealthy white girls in America are surrounded by other wealthy white girls, so that’s who they choose to be friends with. So what? Are we so immature that we need to throw in a token African-American or Asian to make us better about the fact that some white people have zero exposure to diversity? That doesn’t help bring races together or heal inequality,” pop culture writer Jenn Hoffman told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column. “That’s an idealistic liberal media driven band-aid at best or completely unrealistic PC garbage at worst.”Dan Gainor, Vice President of Business & Culture for the Media Research Center concurred that the racial condemnation was “over-hyped.”
“Not every TV show needs to find its PC racial balance so lefties can celebrate and network execs can market to every single minority in America," he said. "That might surprise some, but there are groups of friends that might be racially homogenous. It’s not a crisis."
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
satc's first few seasons were pretty good with some sharp writing. it turned into a horrible cartoon after a while though
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
pop culture writer Jenn Hoffman told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column
― yologram (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
SATC's first season was great. The was horrible. I've seen <10 eps after season 1, if that. x-posts
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
err should have been the "rest" was horrible
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
ex-The Apprentice contestant Jenn Hoffman told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column
― yologram (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
This was mostly boring for me. Dunham was the best part and I'm sure I'll watch it again but it wasn't fantastic or anything. Pretty excited to see Peter Scolari though.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Masonic Butt (Lamp), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:16 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lamp otm. I thought the sex scene was pretty great and maybe the one of the most realistic I've ever seen.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
I’ve found that men — just in the little bit of research I’ve done — find the sexual thing in the show more sobering than women do. And this is kind of a leap, but I think it’s because guys are like, “Have I ever made a girl feel that way? And is it rape?” Literally, I think that is what comes into their brains. I know that sounds like a dramatization, but don’t you kind of think guys think, “That’s not the sex I had, girls I had sex with were happy as fuck.” It was interesting reading about him sort of worrying that girls in general were allowing themselves to be taken advantage of. I will tell you, I’ve had loving sexual experiences, and anxiety-producing ones, probably slightly more anxiety-producing ones at this point. But none of them have ever made me feel like I was being forced into situations outside of my field of choice. If you notice my mincey language, it’s just that I’m still shedding the fact that I went to Oberlin College and if you slightly mangled your women’s/gender studies pronouns, you’d be sent to some Guantanamo for liberal arts students. So I still have this fear of my professor like jumping out of the walls and beating me with a giant Gayatri Chakravorty book or something.
from Salon interview
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 03:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Huh, wow. I didn't say anything yesterday because I hadn't watched it yet but you mentioned something about that scene and finding it particularly dark and just from the whatever description I'd read at that pooint I was thinking that it sounded dark but pretty otm and that more than anything else I read is what made me want to watch it. That scene was definitely the most interesting in the whole ep.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Is the guy that made the tea someone? He looked/sounded really familiar but I couldn't place him.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hm. satc was like eating chips, delicious and filling and addictive but then you feel kind of gross afterward. I watched every single episode within a few weeks several years ago and was kind of glad i did even tho it made me feel weird. i haven't seen it since.
Friends was more like eating cheap ice cream. Good but I hadn't quite learned enough life lessons about quality vs quantity. I got tired of it.
I don't know what junk food Girls is yet. maybe it's like eating cupcakes.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
In a tub.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I sort of did what you did with SATC with Friends. I didn't watch it when it was out but when it was in it's penultimate season I watched it from beginning to end and wound up liking it a lot more than I thought I would.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh man, the typos. I obv need sleep
It makes me very sad that in my current shower it is impractical to bring drinks with me.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
That is said. I have coffee in the shower every morning.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
sad! ugh, see?! bed.
It's all a bit more complex than necessary. Like cupcakes - just make a cake! I was trying to describe this show to a friend tonight and was making all these circular motions with my arms in trying to talk about the show's self-consciousness and the characters' self-consciousness and the living as image of self, plus the being on tv-ness of it all. It made me tired. xp
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
if you're really industrious you can figure out a way to drink beer in any shower
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Then again, a lot of being in your 20s involves pretty simple things being more complex than necessary. Learning. xp
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-me/lena-dunham-girls
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can do it, Jess, it would just mean a lot of water on the floor from all the times I reached out. I'm sure it'll happen this summer at some point.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
wow that's really something E
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol are you being sarcastic? I can't tell. I just saw it earlier and thought is was sort of interesting as another opinion on LD which everyone seems to have today.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think he means the drinking coffee in the shower.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol oh
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/04/girls-through-the-veil/256154/
― iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i remember coates taking that line before when something like this came up. it's certainly a good point that given this alfin woman is on the writing staff, characterization of nonwhite characters would maybe not be a strong suit on this show.
it's great that he takes that line, because it's encouraging rather than bleak. but i think i'm just a little too negative to feel totally comfortable with it.
obviously he's otm about power brokers in the various culture industries recognizing other voices.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
naw, i meant the intensity of self in that article you posted, "why aren't _I_ the megastar"
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Then again, a lot of being in your 20s involves pretty simple things being more complex than necessary.
mmmm yes
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I feel somewhat like a jerk due to the fact there was obviously a lot of show set-up time since it's a first episode, but was there really a throwaway line about the English-accented girl being pregnant? I realize this is no-relationship, drama-tired me but I was like... really, they're using that issue in a show about a group of women? I mean, I guess it'd happen plot-wise eventually and they're probably being tricky by throwing it out right at the beginning of a show, but it still rubbed me the wrong way.
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
if nothing else, i'm glad this show has provided a chance to talk about race/privilege and i hope the creators have learned something from it... i mean aside from lesley arfin who just seems like a human troll. the cynical side of me imagines them all sitting around rolling their eyes at this criticism though :(
― bene_gesserit, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
is being pregnant really just an 'issue' if you're doing a show about women's lives?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, mh, i don't understand your criticism really
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
There is certainly an argument that EG "rich black girls are like *this*" is a less bad than "rich black girls ... aren't"
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
idk, on one level it's a very real thing that makes sense in the flow of the lives of these characters
on the other hand, it's also a plot device that nearly every long-running tv show uses
like what if there was a tv show about a group of women who were better than average at contraception and there was never a "someone may be pregnant" plot
this is me throwing male privilege all over the place and I'm going to stfu now
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah things can be 'real issues' and overused plot twists at the same time
― iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh now you're just looking for things to criticize!
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
its a plot device that every show uses because it is the most basic and universal fact of human existence iirc
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait and see how they use it, at this point it's like saying 'oh great another show about a character with a JOB, so over-done'
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
pregnant Brit didn't seem strange to me at all
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
hard for me to believe it's only been one week since this aired considering the amount of dissection it's earned. I know it's been said before but I do wonder how different the publicity/backlash would have been if the show was called Lena!
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, April 20, 2012 10:56 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well, that might be an argument, but Coates is explicitly arguing the opposite. also he's saying it's likely to be less like "rich black girls are like *this*" and more likely to be "offensive stereotype of blackness" given that one of the writers thinks it's hilaaaaaaaarious to call taking a shit taking Obama to the White House.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
it didn't seem strange to me at all either, just kinda a cliched tv way to go about it (announcing it dramatically as an argument shocka)
― iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
― da croupier, Friday, April 20, 2012 11:01 AM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think its more because it's about young ppl in brooklyn having sex + criterion-approved super-young female director, i mean, it hits all the agitated-internet sweet spots
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
plus nudity from a non-model and peter scolari; perfect storm imo
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya, if it was just peter scolari alone, we would be talking about it and nothing else for weeks
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't know about you guys but i think that there has been some GREAT and thoughtful criticism written about this show that i have enjoyed reading way more than i enjoyed watching the show...this is one of those weeks i am actually happy to be living in the age of blogs.
― bene_gesserit, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Obviously it still would have gotten a lot of attention, but I think such an ambitious title validated both the wave of initial praise and the wave of people holding it to a higher standard than everything else on TV. Which isn't to say the criticism isn't valid, just - as Coates notes - a bit blinkered.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
I should watch this Tiny Furniture movie, huh?
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
opinion on that is p divided itt, but i really liked tiny furniture.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
if you think about the other options for vanity projects currently on major networks that you could compare this i got two immediate analogues: Louie (which is incredible and is gonna be an unfair comparison at least until GIRLS gets through two seasons) and Whitney, which is so AMAZINGLY shitty that GIRLS is already leaps and bounds ahead of it, so
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
say whatever you want about GIRLS but no one in their right mind would say it's worse than Whitney
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
and I say this as someone who has forced himself to watch the entire first season of Whitney, mostly on ffwd
wth is Whitney?!
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.nbc.com/whitney/
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't want to live in a world where "not as bad as whitney" is any kind of laudable achievement
― bene_gesserit, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah that looks dreadful
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
bene, no argument; what i'm asking is what is it WORSE than within its field? how many directed by/written by/starring sitcoms are better than GIRLS even after one episode?
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
currently running of course, i know "Mary Tyler Moore was so much better"
Whitney is the most trad-sitcom crap ever. Characters and plots calculated to appeal to a cross-section of groups that might watch tv in that timeslot and everything.
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp not that she wrote MTM, whatever, you get what i'm getting at
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Can I just take a moment to lament abt my v wonderful but maybe a bit too feministy friend who seems to think the only reason people don't like this show is that it's centered around women, and that How To Make It In America is the EXACT SAME SHOW but with men and how nobody hated on that, etc.
― Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think that definitely makes it more of a target, there is no doubt
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
No one watched it either
― Moodles, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think it's true that a lot of pressure is being placed on this show in part because a young woman created it. i mean, i am putting a lot of pressure on this show for that reason. but it's a little more complex than people hate this show because they hate women. i think part of the reason i was a little bummed there were no people of color in prominent roles is because i was so excited about and invested in the show.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
but yes, also, s1ocki otm. the bruni response is frankly insane, for example.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha bruni frankly
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
How To Make It In America is the EXACT SAME SHOW but with men and how nobody hated on that, etc.
well nobody hated on 'how to make it...' cuz nobody watched it, tbf
― Lamp, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I h8d on it and also did not watch it
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
what was bruni's thing
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
part of the complexity at play is that it's a show about easy-to-hate women, written by/directed by/starring a womanso you're supposed to hate the characters but they want you to like the showexcept many people connect the characters to the creators which is a ley line she's seemingly intentionally left intactso everybody gets to play hunt the wumpus on everyone involved's social media and promo press to get an AHA they ARE really just dumb bitcheswhich tbf is absolutely NOT the way any normal male-centric sitcom would work but they're absolutely intentionally playing to that dynamicthough i suppose if james franco started an HBO sitcom...
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://bruni.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/naked-in-new-york/
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
no such thing as a bit too feministy tbrr
wait no:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/opinion/sunday/bruni-the-bleaker-sex.html
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
I never saw How To Make It In America but didn't Kid Cudi star in that?
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i watched this with my anarchist activist NYU assistant professor friend and her take was that all the characters were perfect dopplegangers for her undergrads (and i felt the same way, just about my fleet of interns) but that she didn't want to spend time with these people in real life and had no interest in spending leisure time with them either
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah thats why I couldn't watch the sopranos
― iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
― horseshoe, Friday, April 20, 2012 11:40 AM
for realllllll
― bene_gesserit, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wouldnt want to spend time in real life with the characters on a lot of shows i enjoy, that argument is silly whether you're an assistant NYU professor or not
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
"if i could only hang out with littlefinger! :("
xps
sorry, that was totally and stupidly misworded; I just meant she sometimes oversimplifies or reduces things to "People hate this bcz WOMEN" which is often but certainly not always true.
― Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
slocks, you're missing the point; it's more like it you work in a hospital that it's coals to newcastle to watch, say, nurse jackieit's not enlightening and it's exposure to a world you're exhausted with already
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get the comparisons to How To Make It In America (young, New York) but they're really not very alike.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Stevie I've read that a couple places and agree that it probably has something to do with it but don't think that's the sole or overriding reason it's gotten so much criticism. It's oversimplifying it.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha x-posts
not all of us have a fleet of these lil stereotypes
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
I want to watch a show about asshole nyu profs
― iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
'profs'
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, April 20, 2012 11:54 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
k fair enough, but as i'm not a nyu prof, and few ppl are, it's like...
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't have to watch the show... I lived it
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
loooooooool
― Lamp, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
the nieghborhood has changed so much
also ppl love watching shows about what they do, it gives the something to pedantically complain abt and feel superior to
― Lamp, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
slocki, normal people don't "review" shows, they decide whether or not it's worth their time based on their interests and lifstyle. you're allowed to crack jokes about getting enough of this shit at work.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
thats why i wish more shows were abt posting on msg boards, playing elf warrior 6
good drama or comedy can overcome familiarity - the most popular sitcoms revolve around 'shit lots of people experience' taken to an absurd extreme
If you don't find Girls (thru one episode, of course) to be funny or well-written as melodrama, it's just going to be like hanging out with a bunch of people you dislike.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
what sitcoms do anarchists like anyway
― iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
'alf'
― Lamp, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
How I Met Your Mother, Louie IME (ie mine)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
a lot of ppl also perversely like watching/commenting on things they dislike or that irk them, like, A LOT so that's a p good premise for a tv show tbh
― johnny crunch, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
from everything i've seen lena seems unsure herself to what extent the sexual relationships her character engages in are degrading/problematic (in one interview she says something like that she thinks the character will snap with anger at the way she is abused by the end of the season), sex-positive (she says that the character is completely choosing what is happening, there is no coercion, 'i did enjoy it!' etc), or something in between (and in that Bruni piece she notes that tension in the way the second sex scene was shot and Apatow says, 'you look like you're being murdered'). there's nothing wrong with that tension, and afaik it's the most interesting thing about the show, but also it seems like ppl feel ambiguous about that being at the center of discussion re the show?
obv it's a little unfair to try to break all this stuff down after one episode - and a pilot no less - it does seem a little early to really start putting pressure on that dynamic, but it also seems like the text of the show and i kinda wish ppl would discuss it more but maybe it's too personal a thing to talk about? (in particular, i wish everyone who has said that they relate the most to those scenes would discuss that more and explain exactly how, etc, but maybe that's asking too much)
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorry if this is one note of me - lol - but it's kinda the only part of the show i found interesting
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's funny to watch people go "i can't believe we're talking this much about this after only one episode!" and then keep posting about it. it's ok, guys, people talk about pilots, it's allowed.
― lathe darkman (some dude), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
although obviously there are some things (especially character development for the supporting cast) that it's not fair to critique the show on this early, etc.
personally i feel like sex-positive v. degrading is a naive and inadequate frame for talking about young women's sexual experiences.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
i got that from your previous posts, but i didn't get what the better frame for discussing it is
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― da croupier, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:00 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's true tho that ppl actually DO like watching shows about themselves
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
you know there's a difference between a prof and an undergrad, right
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
― horseshoe, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it def bothers me how any sexual experience that isnt like 100%-upbeat and happy and perfect is framed as being such a dark thing
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
also feel like dunham has been pretty clear on this point? that she's had loving sexual experiences and anxiety-producing ones and that even the anxiety-producing ones she entered into by choice. i don't know that i'm seeing the ambiguity. unless you mean bell's point, that given the long tradition of how women's bodies are represented and sometimes punished onscreen, Girls runs the risk of participating in that tradition even if dunham's intentions are otherwise.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
― da croupier, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:16 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i actually forget the difference, something about where they stand in the room?
lena says in the salon interview that i quoted above that she thinks men will come away from that scene asking themselves if they've been rapey in the past. that's not a not-100%-upbeat and happy and perfect sexual experience, or just an anxiety-producing one.
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
like, a guy threatening implicitly that he might not use a condom during sex, or initiating anal sex without asking for permission first -- these are rapey things! you can't just handwave it away as less than perfect sex. that's crazy!
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
and to lena's credit, she obv realizes that and intends that reaction. i don't understand ppl on this thread though trying to downplay it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, April 20, 2012 12:16 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
one of them is a jaded hateful shell of a person, the other has sexual experiences both positive and negative
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
to me those sex scenes in tiny furniture and the Girls pilot are welcome in part because i feel like there's very little realistic sex from a woman's point of view in movies and TV. maybe that's obvious, but anyway.
xp i think her point was more...men freak out about this because they want to believe they're great lovers.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Mordy, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:18 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm not trying to downplay it, i'm glad it's being represented as something people go through and react to in different ways
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, what s1ocki said
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is one of the conversations that the show seems to elicit that i'm glad is happening
i think the fact that she doesn't freak out is what makes some ppl think the show is really dark, or cold, or working at a kind of distance, which i dont agree with
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Morday I think both of these things are a lot more common than you realize. You said you want to hear personal experiences - fine. I've experienced both of these thing with more than one guy. Neither are uncommon at all, sadly.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think louie is a very anarchist friendly sitcom, we should ask HOOS for other recommends.Monty python one assumes
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
E otm
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, April 20, 2012 12:23 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is an intersting point!
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
See also the extremely thoughtful and popular pushing down the girl's head move. These are things that some dude's do and a lot of women, especially younger women who want desperately to be liked or may be scared or any number of other things, will experience these and go along with them and not realize they're as wrong as they are because that's sort of what we're conditioned to do.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
sexuality is complicated, huh
― max, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean, i think that's behind bruni's response. which to me is just odd, like thinking dunham is being really mean by having her female characters say mean things about their own bodies or having men say mean things about their bodies. i don't know, to me those responses are like, what world do you live in?
xxp to s10cki
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
who would have thought?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
x-post
there's something about the polarity of relationships here but idk what to say about it exactly. the pecs mcanal hookup dude is portrayed with all of these asshole signifiers, but after having terrible sex with him [lena] is clearly really into him and wants more out of him. [williams kid]'s boyfriend is a sweetheart niceguy drip and she can't stand him.
i don't want to bring j. batman into this but...
― goole, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
she did demand he quit the anal talk and that made me like the character more. like when she told her parents she didn't want to see them after they cut her off, it implied she had some self-respect and that we weren't in full-on Solondz-land. Though I want to be clear I'm talking about "likable" in the context of a half-hour sitcom that wants me to watch it weekly, not likability in the sense of real-life reactions to male aggression.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
said asst prof also noted that she found the scenes where everyone is hanging out and no one really likes anyone there were hella throwback unpleasant to immediate post college days when you spend time in a room simply because this is what's happening, not because you want to. like your lack of social training means that you find yourself acting in ways that aren't really reflective of who you really are or want to be but simply passive with moments of confusion and demands for appreciation of your deep thoughts and meaningful selfilx works in a similar way
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes, one thing i like about the scene is that she's quick and articulate abuot what she doesn't want sexually in that moment. i also like that later she's less forceful and more unsure, going along with him being sort of dismissively like, sure i'll text you.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
― goole, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:27 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
heh, theres a kind of notorious scene in the 2nd or 3rd episode where this dynamic is further explored, i havent actually seen it but its been discussed on-line
― max, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
meanness + darkness are pretty loaded words, but when we talk about a show reproducing faithfully a common experience women have where they are pressured into doing things, or accepting things, wrt sex, that is fairly dark. i believe that the wire faithfully depicted things that i found disturbing and that i think one could call dark, and there was a lot in the wire that i'd consider misanthropic and even nihilistic - that the implicit critique might have been 'this is horrible' but that it was also 'this is hopeless.' i don't think it's unfair to suggest there's something similar at play here.
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
a kind of notorious scene in the 2nd or 3rd episode
well unless hbo puts the whole thing on utub i'll never know
― goole, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
omg pecs mcanal
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i got an intern applying who was hella aggressive even after i let him know all positions filled who kept writing these semi-nonsensical reality show styled multi-paragraph letters about how deeply he appreciated the opportunity and how perfect this job was for him and he ended the last email that I finally determined that it was best not to respond to with "my interest continues to be valid" which seemed like a good summing up of the GIRLS philosophy too
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't want to bring j. batman into this butt...
the wire is not nihilistic and neither is Girls fwiw
partly discussed in q5 of this interview, spoilers i guess
― max, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
many xposts:
again my cynical side really doubts that most men identify themselves with male characters or reflect on those scenes and wonder if they have made women uncomfortable, or done something non-consensual. because the nature of dudes who do that kind of thing are not typically the kind of people who challenge themselves. it would be great if it did spark awareness but i'm just highly sceptical. it's really not a criticism of the show but of maleness/culture. it's not a single television show's responsibility to tear down something so complex and deeply entrenched and it IS interesting that it is starting a dialogue by showing it in a different way. (though i wonder exactly *how* different it really is given the amount of pornography that features humiliation/degredation). i agree with mordy that it should be a bigger part of the discourse about this show, for sure.
― bene_gesserit, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
nihilistic is definitely the wrong word, and i chose it poorly
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
fair enough. i didn't mean to be minimizing what a dick the dude she has sex with in the pilot was being, to joke about not using a condom and to try to initiate a sexual act he knew from previous experience she wasn't into. it's just that i think those experiences are pretty common. which sucks.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't think i've ever suggested it was rare. i've not personally experienced it, though, which might account for some of my reaction.
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
friend just pointed out that the issue with a show as concerned with verisimilitude as this one is: you forget that it's a comedy and not everything is serious or totally real. pecs mcanal is her version of Mr. Big and that's part of the gag. that he's mega gross is meant to be funny as he is a not-so-far-from-the-truth version of men available in that age/location/privilege bracket
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
horseshoe has the higher-level discussion PoV all sewn up here, Imma let her stay on that. But I can back up E that the disrespectful/casual treatment of women by their sex partners is completely par for the course. It would be nice if we always got up and left when we should, but we don't because that attitude is COMPLETELY NORMAL and you could date and sleep with people for YEARS and have it always be kind of like that, or not completely UNLIKE that. And unless you have really good models in your life or your levels of self-protection are higher than most people's, you pretty much just go with it. I have. And not in the distant past, either.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
we all totally know people who would talk about NEVER BE A SLAVE TO THE SYSTEM while cashing gramma rent checks"are you still doing that play""no""why""fuck that guy, he's a dick"^had this conversation like eighty times my first year in nyc
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
that exchange really made me laugh.
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess when i mostly see this kind of thing discussed it has generally been in a reactionary anti-sex context (which accounts for my feeling that this show has stuff that a republican might dig) - ie: Caitlin Flanagan, kinda also Wendy Shalit, Mary Pipher, i'm sure some of these writers have handled it better than Flanagan (ugh), but is it possible to say you're concerned about this kind of dynamic, or that you think it's wrong, without being ridiculous and worried about the future of american female innocence? like maybe that's some of the tension - you want to acknowledge that this is common. both common, like, doesn't it suck how widespread and terrible this is? but also common like, it's also no big deal, don't panic over it. am i reading this correctly at all?
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
but is it possible to say you're concerned about this kind of dynamic, or that you think it's wrong, without being ridiculous and worried about the future of american female innocence?
i don't see where innocence comes into it at all? you're right, this is the kind of material flanagan mines in order to indict feminism for giving women too much freedom, but she's just wrong about what the problem is. (and an asshole) thinking the dude in that sex scene is a dick is not the same thing as thinking the dunham character should wait to have sex until she gets married so that this never happens to her, like wendy shalit would say, or whatever. that whole transfer of responsibility is kind of the whole problem with conservative rhetoric about sexual mores.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
It should be a big deal, it should be WAY bigger than women who get subjected to it think it is. But it's horrible NOT because of female innocence for the love of little green cabbages, jesus christ. It's horrible because IT IS BASICALLY NORMAL CONDUCT for a lot of men, a looooot of perfectly nice men who are not in fact obvious douchebags or easily categorizable. It's just ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR IN THE CONTEXT OF CASUAL SEX, and that's the horrible part. Sex can be casual as all getout but why is the loudest narrative one in which both parties are not equally entitled to respect?
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Did I say "loudest"? Because you can also substitute "only" there, if you want.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
innocence is the paradigm that those conservative writers are working in - lost innocence, etc. obv bullshit + very condescending. xxp
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
but that's not the paradigm Dunham's working in. the sex scene is horrible not because her "innocence" has been destroyed, as Laurel points out so well.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
just to clarify, i'm not sympathizing at all with the innocence narrative which is i think is really destructive + terrible. i was just pointing out that it is often the way that ppl like Flanagan discuss the issue. and i'm not claiming that Dunham is doing that either. i kinda feel like maybe i didn't adequately explain myself in the above post...
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
but certainly if Flanagan was going to make a gritty show about how casual sex culture is destroying America she might have a scene where a guy threatens not to wear a condom during sex and tries to initiate anal sex without consent, and another character has a loving boyfriend she hates, and another character has lots of casual sex and winds up unintentionally pregnant.
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
okay now you sound like Bruni
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
women shouldn't make culture that reflects their point of view and experiences because caitlin flanagan is an asshole?
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't know how you got that from what i said. i don't know how you could possible get any opinion from me about whether they should make the show or not from what i said, especially since i've already said that i think the show is really well made and very interesting + provocative, and that part of its value is in bringing up these issues for me.
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont see how the character who hates her bf can be used to argue that casual sex is destroying america, you could easily use that to argue that committed relationships are destroying america
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't understand your point, Mordy
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
also we know next to nothing about the prego girl's situation at all at this point, a caitlin flanagan type could easily chastise this show for making it seem okay for a woman to get pregnant out of wedlock
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
she'd certainly find a way to chastise the show because she hates women, but i think mordy's right that she would use it as evidence of how feminism has ruined young women's lives. but that's because she has only one idea and she says it about everything.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
why are we even talking about caitlin flanagan
did you guys know that caitlin flanagans husband is the president of the barbie division of mattel
― max, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
we know that friend asked, "was it intentional?" and english girl said snarkily, "what do u think?"
i don't think the subtext of discussing this show needs to be 'should it be made or not?' i think that's pretty much the worst context to talk about this, or any piece of art or culture, and is not on my mind. xp to horseshoe
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sorry, I should point out that I haven't seen the show, I assume from slocki's post that the guy in the ep is actually her boyfriend and I probably shouldn't have used the term "casual sex" but I think there's a sense in which any sex you are having with someone who treats you poorly or disrespectfully is "casual"--they aren't valuing you and you aren't valuing yourself or insisting on anything better so how can that be beautiful or meaningful or intimate or whatever?
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think theres really common dynamic in your early/mid 20s where if you like someone more than they like you and you dont have the will or the sense of self or w/e to just stop wanting them or seeing them and so you just let yourself get treated worse than you should? and a lot of times you end up sleeping with this person that doesnt care about you or doesnt care enough like the sex in the pilot where their disinterest and your vulnerability make things really toxic
and like for straight guys i guess this dynamic rarely plays itself out during sex its more like the one girls clingy boyfriend instead but ive def been in situations and feel like its p common for that kind of emotional power inbalance to get ppl to have sex or types of sex they wouldnt choose for themselves in order to please. and i mean to hannahs credit shes asserts herself w/that guy even if she cant bring herself to stop wanting him
― Lamp, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
he isn't her boyfriend, at least teh way it's presented in that ep is that it's a bit of a friends with benefits sitch that she would like to turn into something more
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
lamp pretty otm
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
to clarify for laurel, we see two 'relationships' in the pilot, lena dunham + asshole non-boyfriend who has rapey casual sex and brian williams daughter + michael cera committed boyfriend who is too nice and clingy and makes williams jr cringe so she wont have sex with him
― max, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah that seems right; certainly a better frame for the scene than flanaganism
xxp about Lamp
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
also two other leads - virgin mamet character who identifies hard with satc, english cousin of mamet (i think?) who is pregnant and gives protagonist kinda shitty advice
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
and i mean continuing on i feel like in a lot of cultural products where the protagonist is neurotic or insecure or 'unattractive' its a male character who is suffering through this humiliation to get sex from a woman where sex is approval, closeness &c. and it was true and painfully but also funny to see a scene where a woman is using sex itself is the awkward and humiliating thing you need to do to get that approval, closeness. or not get it, which again feels p true to life.
― Lamp, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah that's exactly the thing i appreciate about lena dunham's presence on the cultural scene, tbh. i feel like movie mythology about gender and desire is such that women (conventionally beautiful and graceful) are aloof objects for self-doubting men who pursue them for sex. women do get humiliated in those narratives but it's to different ends and a woman like dunham's character can't even exist in that world.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
"lena", based on the pilot and the entire plot of tiny furniture, is a character who is done untoshe doesn't do much on her own and has figured out how to live in a space where things happen with minimal effort and without much aspiration(dunno if anyone noticed but when she takes the housekeeping money, she seems to pointedly NOT take her copy of her memoirs when she leaves)i don't get much of a sense that she has any clearly formed desires yet and that's intended i think as a commentary on the ennui and aimlessness of pampered early 20something millenialkinderso her lack of sophistication/enjoyment from sex seems at least partially connected with that motif though it's a pretty incendiary way to make that point thought maybe that IS the point? kinda?
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
i...don't know about that
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I go to lunch and thread explodes. Laurel/Lamp otm x1000.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont think not taking her memoirs means anything, its a printout
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
its symbolism for the death of print media
― iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
also she's the one who initiates the hangout with the dude, she's the one who tries to turn her internship into a real job, i think she has plenty of agency and aspiration
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
also she actually wrote the memoir, regardless of whether she picks up the printout...
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
don't know if I hate america or girls more
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
also not sure the takeaway from the sex scene was that she needed to be more sophisticated.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
show should have been called 'america' tbh
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
girls (w/ no names)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont think not taking her memoirs means anything, its a printout― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki)
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
how to make it in girls
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
i didn't mean lack of sophistication of sex; meant lack of sophistication / enjoyment of sexbad punctuation on my part
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
in the next episode an immigrant hotel maid steals the manuscript and becomes a best-selling author
― iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
(spoilers)
― iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
(jamaican accent)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know i often write chapters of pages for a project i don't really care about at all.
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^ read that post in a jamaican accent
― flopson, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like this show a lot
Everything Lamp is saying seems right. I think?
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol i actually read her leaving the manuscript there as a maybe unconscious "maybe someone will discover this and realize my genius!" moment.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know i often write chapters of pages for a project i don't really care about at all.― horseshoe, Friday, April 20
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
why would she take a particular printout of a computer file with her when someone else can throw it away later? do you people not use computers/
― raw feel vegan (silby), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
you guys just leave paper wherever you go huh
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
apparently this show is the new Lost
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't really think her leaving it was that significant.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know. This is a hell of a lot of reading into one 30 min pilot.
(1225 of them)
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
people do this to every show now tbh
some of yall really pull out the magnifying glass on this show huh
good episode
― man down (D-40), Friday, April 20, 2012 4:05 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark
from the Mad Men thread
― dmr, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
dunham says she'll explain leaving the paper behind if there's a second season
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
― max, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no i did not!
― goole, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
"We are great believers in the power of little girls," says Rob Hudnut, Mattel executive producer. "We believe they deserve the best entertainment that we can give them. [...]Illustrating the painstaking nature of the production, Hudnut recalls, "It was the job for six months of one 'Barbie Nutcracker' animator to keep Barbie's dress from going over her head. The company has made a serious financial investment in ensuring these movies are the quality that girls deserve."
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp How could you possibly have overlooked the millionth article about such a horrible person, in which that information was contained?
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorry, not the barbie division, i had to double check -- hes the president of the animated barbie movies
― max, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
whaaaaat does the word "keep" mean in that sentence?? what the fuck
― goole, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
The power. Of little girls. Because they are so powerful and not at all one of the most at-risk and least enabled categories of humanity. Secretly they've had the power all this time.
I hate people.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
President, Animated Barbie Movies = A+ title
― johnny crunch, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Lead Animator, Keeping Barbie's Dress From Going Over Her Head = harder to put on your resume
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
surely this is intern work
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
what is the implication there: if you don't keep a tight rein on your animating team, they're going to go softcore on barbie and you won't even know until it's on the shelf? what is this fucko even saying.
― goole, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think he's unintentionally admitting that barbie seriously needs to go to rehab, but like so many actresses before her, she's being propped up by "handlers" so they can continue to profit off her fame
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
i took it more as the job of the animator to keep barbie's natural animalistic desires in checkxpost, yeah
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
though the quote from the other producer is probably better all around
Ross, Universal's family entertainment topper since 2005, and Barbie franchise owner Mattel have collaborated on nine made-for-DVD titles, selling more than 37 million copies worldwide to date, because of their shared conviction that the doll requires the highest production values.
"When talking to Mattel before the first movie, we knew that we should make Barbie a movie star," Ross says. "It had to be the same way that you would feel when seeing a Meryl Streep movie."
― goole, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
apparently it's more like a Judy Garland movie
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Making guys realize that they really do sound like that is pretty amazing, imo. I like to think I'm not too much of a douchebag, but really, the male/female dynamic has this traditional "dudes will go as far as a lady lets them" grossness to it where, even with some level of equality, the idea of men pushing things is still present.
idk, I've been in situations where I've been a bit overzealous, got kind of the "hey now, chill a bit" signal and backed off and apologized to the extent where the girl laughed and told me I was cute because I was actually taken aback and taken her seriously. Like, my apprehension of even being perceived as slightly rapey was endearing because guys are so rapey.
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorry that was a ref to men being uncomfortable with the portrayal of sex in that ep of 'Girls'
think the dress going over her head thing has to do w/ the shittiness of their physics model (so yeah, barbie's animalistic desires)
― 1staethyr, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
I use it because it's so common now but I really hate the term "rapey".
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know, can we come up with something better? I feel scuzzy for having typed it a few times.
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
My reasons for hating it are complicated (as is the topic in general obv) and this isn't the thread to get into it but I sort of cringe every single time I use and/or see it.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I could live the rest of my life without typing or hearing those four letters and it'd be a better life
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
it would b v odd lif , I c n t ll you th t.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh there's no need for a :( it's sorta more that I think it's used sometimes to describe things that aren't actually "rapey" at all. Nevermind. This probably isn't rational. I just don't like it for some reason.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've heard 'creeper' used in a similar vein - instead of being rapey, one is being a creeper etc.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
wouldn't "sexually aggressive" work?
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
In a lot of cases it def would.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think it's totally rational to not like when people use "-y" or "quasi-" to basically accuse people of something without actually accusing them of it.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
behaviors such that those that are commonly exhibited by
idk, I've heard creeper more applied to people who would get rejected long before any awkward intimate moments
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is getting ridic
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
but as it was said, "sexually aggressive" -- it works in a lot of cases!
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
pretty sure you guys can hit 30,000 posts if you all see the second episode.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
help us, obi-wan, you're our only hope
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, April 20, 2012 12:26 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
this is one of those times when having my display name gets really really awkward.
― some dude, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
why you gotta do these things?
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
just wanted to share this unbelievably stupid and terribly written blog post here
http://www.vice.com/read/girls-lets-everyone-just-calm-down
― max, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
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― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Side note, I literally thought that Girls was about dykearoos until I watched it.
― johnny crunch, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ugh. Vice bloggers are the most disgusting savages. Talked about the diversity thing with my roommate last night - I don't think the outrage is just that it's a lily-white main cast (so are lots of shows!) but that it's compounded with the air of privilege, the 'Dunham is writing her own life' elements and the incredibly bad decision to have the only two non-white characters be stereotypes. Maybe the second most of all.(her rebuttal to one point was "would anyone say anything about a show with four black or Asian women?" I asked her which shows those were)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
was that pop-up for the Raven designed to make you regret going to the site
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
x-post - The privilege is the worst tbh. I was LOLing at the first scene imagining what my parents would have done had they come for a visit and I told them I didn't want to see them anymore that weekend. Yeah, right. I was prepared to hate it/her at that point but she grew on me.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
have you guys watched the raven trailer, the raven actually says "caw" at the end
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
it goes caw
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I feel like my parents were really generous in supporting me over the years and especially in college, but when I got out of school it was pretty much my dad doing this little "so, any luck on the job front?" dance every night since I crashed at their place while working my nearly-full-time hourly job that I was lucky enough to have.
― mh, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I actually watched this now and I once visited south africa and walked away thinking that all the british and dutch should be wiped off the face of the fuckin earth
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I kind of get the same feeling after watching this show
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
caw
pretty sure it says nevermore, i read it and everything
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
x-post - Yeah, me too. I can't lie and say I don't identify with her character a lot because she does remind me of myself at that age. I am also an only child and moved to a new city right after college where I promptly got a hefty does of holy shit life is expensive at 21. I also wanted to be a writer at that point but my parents had made it pretty clear that I was basically cut off right after school. I had two jobs "real" jobs at all times and worked my ass off for those first couple years but still had to occasionally borrow money from them. IIRC they had western unioned me $200 because I couldn't make rent and then called to ask if I was on drugs because they didn't understand where my money went. :/ If they'd come up here to visit and I told them I didn't want to hang out with them anymore that weekend for any reason I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have gone over well.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
goddamn uh oh you got me to watch the raven trailer
― johnny crunch, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe in twenty years I'll understand how you could sing "no more money" to your kid in the middle of a meal, but for now I'll say they deserved to be ignored for the rest of their vacay
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i didnt find them as appalling as your description made them seem tbh
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
the parents were fine and totally in the right imo
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
what did i misrepresent
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
she said that at the height of her exasperation, she wasn't like gleefully singing it to her or anything
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
struck me as needling, cruel ymmv prob depending on assumptions about the undeveloped backstory and your annoyance with dunham's chatter before and after
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
struck me as more tough-lovey
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
nothing says tough love like "i deserve a lake house"
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's funny to me that people consider the "no more money" thing to be so stinging
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
if there'd been a single line suggesting there'd been some warning, they couldn't afford to help, etc, I'd probably been quicker to sympathize with the fact that they'd raised an intern with creative writing dreams
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get the feeling it was an ongoing argument/discussion before the episode began, but anyway it just seemed like a generic frustrated thing to say. it happens.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
dunham says she'll explain the backstory if there's a second season
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
How long has it been that a half-Jewish, half-gentile cast is considered homogenous and "lily-white"? Maybe 20 years? It's a sign of cultural progress that it's so, in any case.
It seems like a lot of tv/movies with diversity issues are primarily focused on Jewish/Gentile contrasts: Woody Allen, Seinfeld, this show.
One interesting thing about the fuckbuddy (and he's a classic one--meant for an occasional roll in the rhay, but not boyfriend material) is that he's like Schwimmer's younger hornier brother. I think she honestly means it when she thanks him at the end of that session. One of the many great details in this episode is the tiny muscle-flinch in his jaw when she asks if they'll hang out again soon (or whatever the line is).
Thse kinds of details, and the subtlety of how conversational rhythms and body language carry the scenes as much as the basic action, leave me curious about what the episodes that Dnham doesn't direct will be like.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought the "i want a lake house" line to be a perfectly valid way of expressing the mom's frustration with her daughter's neediness and her desire to have her own life, i'm not sure why this bothered u so much but that's not the way i read it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
(her rebuttal to one point was "would anyone say anything about a show with four black or Asian women?" I asked her which shows those were)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, April 20, 2012 4:32 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ah the old "why is there no white entertainment network?" argument. fuck these people.
(but as an aside i have watched many many episodes of "living single" and it is an awesome show!! note to self: check if this is on watch instantly when home.)
― bene_gesserit, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
if lake house = a life of her own, no one wonder maybe her daughter is needy and spoiled?
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
if u say so, i dont think lake houses are inherently evil things
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
i do think they're a sign of privilege, ymmv
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
She means, in a practical way, that she could spend her TIAA-CREF pension on a nice retirement or give it to her daughter who expects to be on mom's payroll.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
chill about the lake house
― max, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
exactly. and i agree they are a sign of privilege but i didnt think thats what we were talking about?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
sign of privilege, yesbut two years out of school for $20k or w/e, any parent is within his or her rights to bitch IMO
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
we're all dealing with the same material, just varying degrees of sympathy based on our assumptions on the backstory. We don't know their income, how much they're giving her in relation to it, how many arguments they've had, etc.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Seems like the line gets to the point that the parents thought they would pay her college tuition and then start saving for themselves and their own dreams. If that's a lake house, so be it.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
well considering her "counter-offer" is $1100/month you can imagine they're spending a fair amount of cash
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
i do think parents in general have an obligation to teach their kids how to live on their own. nb i have no idea if these parents did that, or are just getting around to doing that now, but she is (at least in part) who she was raised to be. at the same time, you can't blame your parents forever for not giving you a perfect upbringing
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
ugh sorry about that post lets try that again, just watch this over and over
http://youtu.be/GNjx5fb-Tk0?t=2m4s
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
fuck!!!!
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, April 20, 2012 5:17 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^ this. it didn't seem like a particularly selfish line to me
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
ugh hey i just think, without more info, that the mom sounds spiteful/resentful above and beyond her daughter's crimes. That's all.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
but srsly, how is wanting a lake house (that you pay for yourself), more privileged and spiteful than wanting a free ride for 2 years+?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
let moms have lake houses!
I'm personally looking forward to the day when I can tell my son "No more money!" but he's only 9, so I have a few more years to go.
― Moodles, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
let daughters have two weeks warning!
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
also being played in a comedy, so of course it's going to be ramped up and in public rather than a short private conversation outlining the end of support
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
the emily nussbaum review said judd apatow gave "higher stakes" notes a lot so yeah wacky sitcom hijinks ahoy
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
surely the implication is that hannah is just like her mom? also the m.o. of the show is to not show anyone in a good light, so there's that.
ps college professors have hella entitlement and go their whole careers in stunned disbelief that they don't make as much money as they should
― goole, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
plus are super liberal and elitist
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
"higher stakes" = have the dude try unwanted anal sex
― johnny crunch, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
true! xp
Omg u guys.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Just like Vampire Weekend with its Jewish and Persian members.
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
</nabisco>
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Still need to read that
― raw feel vegan (silby), Friday, 20 April 2012 23:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
still wanna see this show.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 April 2012 23:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
that was the 1000th post. you guys are making it sound really zeitgeisty and something i MUST see. even the haters. you all love the new voice of generation twitter. she is your president and you want to marry her!
― scott seward, Friday, 20 April 2012 23:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Mordy, Friday, 20 April 2012 23:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
thanks!
― scott seward, Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
the douchey guy just looks so gross when he opens the door
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I totally forgot to say that after I watched it I couldn't believe this thread had so many shows its just like some harmless tv show
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
posts
i liked it! would watch again. that sex scene was so nothing. i mean it was pretty normal and funny. i dunno. it was like a minute long. just kept hearing about it everywhere.
definitely some funny moments. sex & the city for generation twitter! yay!
― scott seward, Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think that the older you are, the less inclined you might feel to find too much to hate about this show.
― Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
At worst, it may simply not be your cup of tea
― Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
As the threadstarter, I suggest we now start talking instead about Armando Ianucci's new show Veep, which starts this weekend
― Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I really want to talk about V