i don't deserve to be starting this thread but it's almost springtime and you are all clearly eating bad foods in 2012
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have eaten three easter eggs in the past 48 hours
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
is that candy?
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i resolve not to eat out this week except for friday lunch at work (and i will NOT eat french fries at friday lunch)i just went shopping and was hungry so i got a buttload of vegetables and spent way too much moneys
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
i go to whole foods for lunch like every day and i end up spending a fortune, not on lunch but on picking up things here and there for the house (yesterday, for example: kale, some fish to make for dinner, coffee). my plan has been to make salads only from the section of raw vegetables (no hot food or prepared salads). my store has been great lately with adding kale, chard, arugula, fennel, etc. on the non-dressed, raw portion of the bar. i think their sliced grilled chicken is too salty but there's not a lot of good protein options. they have hardboiled eggs but i think i eat enough eggs as it is and don't really want to add more to my diet.
i need to a) pack lunch more often, b) get a rack and some pannier bags for my bike so that when i ride to work i can take lunch (as is it is not practical to put salad in a backpack)
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
I bought a bunch of vegetables last week and I am perpetually worried that they will go bad why because I am just one person!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
I need to do a lot better with breakfast and should also have a decent lunch stashed away at work so I don't succumb to crap when fail to pack a lunch in the morning.
Also need to stop eating the same size dinner portions as my 6'1", 170 lb, 20-mile-a-week-running husband. Unless of course I too would like to reach 170 lb, which would be unhealthy for my height/frame, not to mention NAGL.
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
when I was home a week ago my mom brought home some leftovers from a catered event at work, it was this salad w/ nice lettuce and spinach greens and dried cranberries and walnuts, w/ some kind of vinaigrette, it was really nice, gave me some salad ideas
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think i eat too many calories at breakfast but it's really important for me not to get too hungry in the morning because i need brain function and have no time to eat a snack before lunch. i am good at bringing lunch. tza i have some glass food containers that seal very well and would allow you to put salad in a backpack. i got a few of them at target, they are anchor brand with a lid that you can push down on to create a vacuum that holds the lid on tight. but maybe you are talking about some other reason you can't put salad in a backpack.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mostly bc not enough room but also fear of spillage
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
they should make a special pannier with a lining so you can just make the salad inside the pannier. i'm literally lolling at this idea.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
the other pannier could be a salad spinner powered by your rear wheel so that you can wash the salad before work and have it dry by the time you get to work
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
this could be like a new cinco product on tim&eric
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
T, I put the raw veg, chopped up but undressed, in a tupperware or take-out container, and put the dressing (home-made whatever) in those little condiment cups you get with commercial salads or DUMPLINGS! or w/e. Dress @ work. Solved!
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
― tehresa, Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:32 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Instead of Easter baskets in England they do these giant chocolate easter eggs that and then usually filled with lots of little smaller chocs so basically what Thomp is saying is that he's eaten a shitload of chocolate today.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sometimes when I'm lazy/late in the morning, I just throw whole veg into a grocery bag and do the washing and slicing and dicing in the office kitchen.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have done that too, Laurel. It really saves time in the am.
I am sick and subsequently eating like crap and just laying on the couch. It's not good. :/
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes tupperware is great and I'd never pre-dress. seriously I just have a backpack that barely fits my work clothes and shoes and spare tube etc. panniers would help!
This post written on elliptical machine lol!
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
made split peas soup Wednesday and ate it for three nights. except for one lunch of chicken been sticking to vegetarian this week. that will end in ribs 2nite. asparagus is 1.99 a lb, bought two pounds
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
ah man the asparagus I bought a week ago had started drying out, that's what I'm worried about, I will be having asparagus tonight as well
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
also like half of my onions sprouted :(
it just made me sad because I keep my onions in the dark so the sprouts were sickly yellow, I would feel better if they were a healthy robust green, grow strong you little warriors
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha, leaving things like onions and potatoes alone in a cupboard, forgotten, can get scary
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
an alternate salad-transport idea:
http://wellvegan.com/salad/salad-in-a-jar
(haven't tried it tho)
― JuliaA, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
If you store them like flowers, upright in a dish of water, w/a plastic bag over it, it lasts much longer!
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i had an onion that sprouted and i've just been leaving it on the shelf to see how much it will grow. it's like 14 inches now. i'm gross.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am going to put the onions out by where it can feel some sun
if I am feeling mischievous I will even put them in my neighbor's yard!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is a pro tip, abbbottt!
Do you want another pro tip about making onions sprout on purpose? If you cut up green onions/scallions, save the little rooty bulbs. If you put them in a glass of water they will resurrect (takes over a week) and you have a second round of green onions FOR FREE.
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh man I bought an overabundance of green onions last week. I first bought a bunch from the normal supermarket for .50 because they looked good. then when I went to the chinese market they were selling them 3 for a dollar.
I was pleased to see that my last bunch of green onions, they would grow in the fridge after I had chopped them. it was, indeed, like you said, two for the price of one!
I don't know what to do with all my green onions though. I added some to the guac I made today.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
whoa do Americans not have easter eggs? this is blowing my mind
yes, an Easter egg is a hollow chocolate egg I guess 5"-7" tall and usually containing/bundled with bags of smaller chocolates, chocolate bars, etc
will def be trying the spring onion trick, I always get grumpy buying them because the shop sells them in bundles of like 10 and I only want maybe 2 or 3 (and even that will involve putting a great excess of onion into something and having horrible oniony sweat for the next 2 days </tmi>) and then they'll go off, and then I'll buy another 10 in two weeks
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah I don't use green onions all that often; regrow time is abut the time I want to use them again.
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
do you completely submerge the bulbs or leave the top in the air or does it not matter? do you need to change the water ever?
(sorry if i am being overthinking cat)
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nope, not in the way that you guys do. We get baskets filled with jelly beans and small chocolate Easter eggs and bunnies and stuff but we don't get the big eggs in a box like you do. TBH I think our baskets are better than your eggs cause we usually get more stuff but we don't get Good Friday or Easter Monday off so you guys probably win Easter in the end. ;) One time I wanted to make Spiralli and Easter basket so went all over looking for one and couldn't find anything even close so I bought a bucket and was going to make him and Easter bucket but then I left it all on the tube. :(
Also, I would like a big Crunchie egg now.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
w/the onions I let their little decapitated necks stick out of the water, and I add more water as it evaps/gets used, works for meI have them in a stemless wine glass
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
This is the sort of thing we get as kids. Mostly chocolates and treats but sometimes they have small toys and stuff in them too.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Abbott otm re asaparagus storage. It should be stored like that in the supermarket too tbh and if it isn't and the bottoms are all dried out that's a bad thing.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
asparagus, rather
I always get grumpy buying them because the shop sells them in bundles of like 10 and I only want maybe 2 or 3
SO TRUE
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's kind of like Christmas on a smaller scale and with more chocolate.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Easter, that is.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pretty much, yeah.
Oh and the baskets are hidden by the bunny so you to go looking for them when you get up. That was always my favorite part.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Humpty Dumpty chocolate egg filled with smarties = Easter
I can't really get down with the baskets and weird colored eggs. Also hunting for eggs that aren't chocolate seems somehow wrong, lol.
Anyhow NNs I have been struggling with snacks. I have Lara bars, raw trail mix of raisins/almonds/seeds/etc, whatever fruit is in season but my problem is I get BORED eating the same things! Suggestions? Meals I'm okay with. It's the between times where I get a little crazy.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
guys i feel like hitler but don't post about easter candy on this thread or i will have you transported to a camp
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like larabars, i also like to eat an orange and a square of dark chocolate for snax or a nonfat yogurt
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
does anyone know if 100% buckwheat soba noodles exist? i was at the chinese store looking at 5 different brands of soba noodles and all of them have the first ingredient "wheat." i don't care too much though.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
they do but it's usually a japanese product
I used to be able to recognize the kanji for them but alas I have forgotten
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh yeaaaaah wikipedia
The most famous Japanese soba noodles come from Nagano. Soba from Nagano is called Shinano Soba or Shinshu soba. Ni-hachi (二八, two-eight) soba, consists of two parts of wheat and eight of buckwheat; Juuwari (十割, 100%) soba, the finest (and usually most expensive) variety, consists entirely of buckwheat.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i got a package of them but i'll check h-mart after i use them up. i think soba noodle salad with dry-fried tofu and peanut sauce and vegetables would be a good cold work lunch.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I bought some packages of weird noodles at the asian market - oat, buckwheat, some other kinds. they always end up really clammy. I think I am forgetting to wash them like it says here
http://www.justhungry.com/basics-cold-soba-noodles-dipping-sauce
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
they had mung bean noodles at the store but a primary ingredient was corn starch
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
mung beans are a great bean I love mung bean soup
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
i love those mung bean popsicle things and i have a cookbook called "silk road cooking" that has a mung bean salad in it that is good
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have Roland 100% Oraganic Buckwheat soba noodles sitting around (first ingredient listed is wheat flo_ur)
drinking wine right now so I won't be soba for long
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
budum tish
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
So far I have a lot of fruit and veg today, albeit dressed veg. Jesus H that WF raw kale with garlicky dressing is GARLICKY. Good, but whoa not gonna eat that on a work day.
Tonight I will eat tacos with some grilled skirt steak and veg while spouse eats a 64 ounce ribeye. I have seen him eat upwards of 70 oz, he is like a caveman with a fresh kill.
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Snax ideas:
Hummus or other bean dip with vegGazpachoAnts on log! Or banana with peanut butterSome people would say string cheese but fuck that, if I'm gonna eat cheese it is going to be awesome cheeseEdamameGoddamn yogurt
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
I will take a small portion of salted almonds and some bell peppers/carrots to work for snax. I'm probably the most crunchingest person in my general cubicle vicinity. Sorry, neighbors!
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I used to snack on bell peppers but the acidity was killing my teeth
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
I should keep the almonds at work to small portions too. I have a huge bag of them in my desk and when. I get really hungry, god knows how many calories I get through.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
I had to start putting the almonds in a little cup with a screw-on top like you'd use for a baby's cheerios. Otherwise, seriously.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like prunes. Not too many prunes.
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
I tried almonds in the shell in the hope that shelling them would slow me down. Haha, NO.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I've mawed through a ton of trail mix bc I haven't been portioning. Tiny tupperware is a good idea
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
orange + dark choc sounds yumlove carrots & bell peppershate string cheese :(
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm going to make a seafood and tomato & garlic & pepper sauce that is low-fat and dairy-free AND extremely tasty. Then I'm going to put it over a pile of pasta. :/
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've thought about it and I don't think carbs are *that* bad. you need to get your calorie count up somehow if you're a veg
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean the answer can't always just be "eat fresh fruit" !
^Yum xxpost
i bought some cheese last week that i thought was sharp cheddar. i didn't read the fine print where it says that it was a processed cheese product. omg was it terrible. i figured i could salvage it by melting on corn chips. IT DIDN'T MELT, just kinda got harder and brown.
DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
lotta stuff on sale 2day at the grocery store
fresh pasta, salmon, strawberries. i couldn't decide so i bought worcestershire sauce.
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
mealz:
in school, the chef/instructor brought in some wheat berries and dried cherries and i made a middle-eastern salad with them, including lemon and orange zest, raisins, leeks, and fresh mint. really nice, light, simple. had some wheat berries left over and used them in a a second salad with cucumber and feta.
last night i made a stir-fry with broccoli florets, thinly sliced yams, and diced granny smith apple -- tossed in some "soy vay" brand hoisin garlic sauce. when i'm feeling more ambitious, i'll make my own sauce that's less sweet.
tonight i might do something with collard greens? we have a produce box we're trying to use up.
― the dried stigmas of the saffron crocus (get bent), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
ahem actually i was saying that i have eaten a shitload of chocolate both today and yesterday
earlier i said something like "no, i'm going to go and buy some chips to stop myself eating another easter egg" and then i heard myself and went OH MY GOD I AM A FAT PERSON. and then i ate about a pound of fried potatoes.
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
and now i am going to eat another easter egg.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:37 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
– my CSA share for the spring starts back up tomorrow; stoked– I tried going full on China Study no anything last week and had an emotional breakdown and then reunited myself with cheese and wine
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jesus H that WF raw kale with garlicky dressing is GARLICKY. Good, but whoa not gonna eat that on a work day.v true! i have learned to only eat this at home, which is why i was so excited when my wf started putting out plain, undressed raw kale. previously the only kale avail was the garlicky kind.
bent, i love wheat berries! i make salads like that all the time.
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
do you have to cook wheat berries?
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol I was thinking the same thing, dayo
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 March 2012 02:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am making collard greens tonight. Braised w/ red onions & cider vinegar, sans bacon.
(I will not talk abt the spareribs or cornbread :/)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 March 2012 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
My dietician said I shouldn't eat yoghurt as a meal. The sugar spike (???) is high but goes down quickly. ARGH! I am addicted to it. I can't just give it up!
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Sunday, 11 March 2012 10:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not sure about yogurt glycemic spikes but if you want less sugar in your yogurt a lot of the greek ones have fewer grams than other styles.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
just to dial it back a little to the spring onion discussion, maybe i can consult you onion pros for advice; other than the very tip of the bulb, which you cut off, i always use the white end, up the stem until it loses structural integrity/no longer produces round spring-onion-segments. do you guys work from the top? i heard it was a flavour thing, and it's one of those received wisdom things i've never challenged (cf don't put all the stock into the risotto at once, &c)
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I work from the top!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
i always do what you do, schlump! if i am doing a stir fry i will throw in more of the green end because that part is great wilted in hot dishes. i generally stop using it where it goes lame but if the green parts are still firm/thick, i throw em in.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I also use the schlump/tehresa technique, but will try the Abbott trick!
Ate pretty nutritiously yesterday, albeit too much. Also snuck in bites of mac&cheese, mashed potatoes, and juicy ribeye--but did not make a meal of these, so yay me.
Failed to get exercise or visit that gym I am thinking about joining. Today, these will happen!
― quincie, Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh and I ordered a new bike saddle so I will no longer use ass pain as an excuse not to bike. Now I will just use fear of dying as an excuse not to bike.
― quincie, Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
that reminds me i need to buy add'l bike shorts/pants.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am considering joining gym near me when it gets hot so i can't use heat as an excuse not to exercise like i did last summer. last summer was really hot!
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've fallen far from the Nazi bandwagon . . . been trying to get back on slowly by just cooking my own meals . . . they don't have to be healthy . . . I just have to make them myself. Soon I will transition into making healthy food.
Last night I ate baby octopus for the first time at a Korean restaurant (it was chewy!). My culinary goal for the next month is to eat more octopus.
― Virginia Plain, Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
was it the live kind?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
vp you should go to uncle nick's over in hell's kitchen/west side and have their grilled baby octopus because it is SO SO SO good.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
It wasn't the live kind . . . I asked the waitress if she recommended the sashimi or the stir-fry and she recommended the stir-fry. I'm not sure about Sik Gaek--the restaurant is so cute and fun but I'm not sold on their food.
I've never tried Uncle Nick's--thanks for the rec. I'm going to Spain at the end of the month so I am looking forward to eating more pulpo.
― Virginia Plain, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is not really nn bc dairy, flour, etc. but this morning i am making a modified version of a ricotta pancake recipe using nonfat ricotta. i calculated the nutrition and it ends up being a 15g protein serving of pancakes, for 211 calories, which i think is not so bad.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
i made a chocolate cake yesterday with zucchini, is that nn?? probably not bc it was loaded with flour/sugar/oil but at least it contained veggies. and it was a really good cake! i don't usually like cake.
― just1n3, Sunday, 11 March 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
you both need to come over to my house and make me chocolate zucchini bread and ricotta pancakes.
― love this song! :) especially his hair (get bent), Sunday, 11 March 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
yesterday's nutritious eating tempered by moderate amounts of bacon and cream cheese. consumed much olive oil, which I guess is NN--but not in the amounts in which I consumed it!
also realized that I do not need to join a gym, I just have to work in the garden every day until it becomes too hot to deal.
― quincie, Monday, 12 March 2012 11:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think the potential plus of bonus-spring-onions maybe trumps the additional flavourgain of using the most potent parts, for me; my palette is not so great, maybe i should switch
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Monday, 12 March 2012 12:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I made a lasagna yesterday with zucchini in place of pasta. Ground turkey, spinach, mushrooms, onions, shredded carrots and a 1/3 of a cabbage. It's yummy! Can't wait for lunch.
One great green onion discovery of late in my house is the addition of a handful of chopped green onion to my breadmaker. Makes every bread better, mmmm.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 12 March 2012 14:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh I make a really good noodleless lasagne using zucchini too!
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 12 March 2012 14:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
So good! I'm addicted. Also made a curried bulgur, cous cous and ourzo salad earlier this week.. I need some wheat berries in my life. Munching on seedless grapes and a few pieces of cheddar at the moment, dreaming of lunch.. I enjoy green smoothies for breakfast but it doesn't fill me up enough.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 12 March 2012 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oops just ate a bacon cheese burger and fries how the hell did that happen idgi
― quincie, Monday, 12 March 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
update: sprouted onions I placed on windsill have turned a nice and healthy green
― flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Low carb intentions undermined by massive bar of Hotel Chocolat chocolate brought by visitors
― ljubljana, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess I am a nutrition nazi again, because of my diet. Every day I need to eat
~ 1300 calories< 41 grams fat~ 160 grams carbs~ 25 fiber~ 26 grams grams protein
I am really good at getting fiber and protein nice and high, and keeping carbs and bad fats low but ... then ... I end the day with an extra 250 calories I need to eat and what else is there? more fiber makes me constipated (yes, it's a thing), more protein usually just means an egg and a lot of dietary cholesterol, and more yogurt is too many carbs. So what do I eat? NNers, pls to help me.
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
why did i not know this about green onions until now
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
eat some nuts! if you are not allergic to nuts! or nut butter. or just butter.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
almond butter ftw
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
sometimes i mix a tbsp or two of almond butter with (organic, non-sulfite, unsweetened) shredded coconut and a bit of agave syrup. it is good.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
i made some really delicious mung dahl tonight! with brown basmati rice. not super NN as far as carbs go, but i'm always amazed at how mung beans don't bother my digestive system like all other lentils/beans do. it's great.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Is there a green onIon shortage I'm not aware of? You are all quite ingenious!
Eating: bulghur, chick peas, and feta salad with green onions. Chopped the whole bunch so I cannot resprout.
― Virginia Plain, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp remy may i suggest you make these chocolate-cherry-chili-walnut-sea salt-black bean cookies? sure, they have sugar and oil, but they also have BEANS
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
rrrobyn do you have a recipe for mung dahl? lentils give me awful bowel probs, would love an alternative.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
rrobyn, i should buy some good peanut butter. i have pb2 (defatted peanut butter – http://bellplantation.com/ ) but i do not have REAL PEANUTS and they sound so, so good.justine, those look delic. i crave cookies lately, and i've been staving off w/ dried apricots but... i might make an exception for those. i wonder if they will be very beany?
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ooh Justine I want to make those! They look gooood.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
so this is probably tmi and maybe not a nn question but lately whatever i eat for lunch (usually salad with lots of dark greens and veg and some chicken) or dinner (wide range of foods) makes my stomach extremely noisy. however, today i had sushi for lunch, and there was no noise. what does it mean!?
― tehresa, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
teh, i have been w/ a similar issue lately. i am wondering about two culprits: sugar free gum, and seltzer water. perhaps?
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
i drink a ton of seltzer. but not at work/during the day, so i don't know how it'd connect to lunchtime (i can't see this being a problem that would occur when not consuming the bubbles).
― tehresa, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
remy, the thing is that YOU TOTALLY CAN'T TASTE THE BEANS!!! ikr it's totally crazy and i had to make them to believe it, and if there was even a mere whiff of a hint of microscopic taste of bean, i would know bc i am super fussy and complainy about food. but these are so good, my fav cookie actually. they aren't sweet really, they are very fudgey, and they benefit from a night in the fridge before eating. i don't think the original recipe mentions walnuts but DON'T skip them, they are so good.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
they taste v v rich and decadent but while they are fairly calorie dense at around 250, they are also reasonably nutritious bc of the beans and cocoa and coconut. oh and def only used unrefined coconut oil, they don't taste right with the refined stuff.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
i made a 'tangled thai salad' for dinner that was mostly nn. pretty tasty.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
You guys know about black bean brownies, right?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
the cookie recipe is basically a brownie recipe, just made into cookies imo - you practically have to eat them with a fork bc they fall apart so easily.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
the mung dahl i make is pretty basic - i use 1 cup of whole mung beans rinsed and soaked for several hours (or the quick way, simmer them for an hour or so), then fry some onion with garlic and ginger and curry powder, cumin, tumeric, cayenne maybe - then add beans plus 2-4 cups of water (depends on how well soaked/boiled the beans are already from the pre-soaking/boiling), bring to boil, then lower and let simmer until dahl-like goodness ensues. add salt. serve on top of basmati rice, with chutney of choice or not! this makes a lot of dahl btw.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
the bonus of those cookies is the lack of flour. lots of trendy black bean baked goods still have lots of flour and stuff which kind of negates the healthy-ish aspect.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
The black bean brownie thing is that if you're feeling lazy but want something warm and chocolaty and maybe not horrendously bad for you, you can just mix a box of any kind of brownie mix (reg, no pudge, natural - whatever) with a can of black beans and forget all the other stuff it tells you to add like eggs or oil. Just one can of black beans. Bake as per the directions and you get gooey delicious brownies that taste nothing like beans.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
a friend makes black bean brownies. i can taste the beans... but they are good anyway, in their way - but yeah, they have flour in them anyway and sugar, so i'm like, why not just make regular brownies? anyway, my NN way doesn't include beans (except mung) - and that includes peanuts and peanut butter. exception being certain burritos found in california! because the super long soaking/cooking of burrito black beans does something magically digestive to them!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have only made the bean brownies 2x but they were good although I think I'm sort of with you on the why not just make brownies thing. After I while I sort of thought I could taste the beans a little bit but then figured that's because I was thinking about it too hard maybe.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
probably not enough cocoa?
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 03:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think have all the ingredients to make those cookies right now...
3 days this week, lunch = kale saladtoday, lunch = almonds, green tea
Sigh.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Taubes
do u nazis have opinions about this guy?
― goole, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Taube's argument that refined carbs are responsible (through acquired insulin resistance) for the modern obesity epidemic is close to, but IMHO misses the mark and could lead to worse outcomes than mere obesity. The "energy balance" 1st law of dieting Taube's rejects remains true (you can eat a restricted diet of Twinkies and lose weight) but there's definitely a kernel of truth that the moderned refined/processed food diet is awful. Dr. Lustig in Sugar: The Bitter Truth has a cogent (and IMO, better) argument that its the high consumption of fructose (in HFCS, but also table sugar and fruit juice) leads to de novo lipogenesis and interferes with normal appetite satiation through the leptin hormone path.
On the other hand, there are plenty of cultures that historically eaten plenty of starches like white bread, rice & potatoes and remain thin with little vascular disease and lower cancer incidence (though they tend to suffer from diseases of poverty from poor sanitation and lack of micronutrients). In one an interesting (though dated) study, mildly overweight men lost 19 lbs in 8 weeks after adding 12 slices of white bread to their daily diet - I've seen other studies like this and it suggests that while white flour is a pretty empty calorie, its clearly is displacing worse culprits. Basically, starch is pretty innocuous as empty calories go.
My main concern with Taubes is not so much that his conclusion that refined carbs are the smoking gun is wrong, but that his argument used to support high-protein / high-saturated fat diets like Atkins that have clear negative consequences for long term health. Micheal Pollan's summary "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." remains a succinct summary of the science.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
sanpaku people usually say this with derision but i am 100% not kidding: do you have a newsletter i could subscribe to?
― goole, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sanpaku Weekly Digest!
― Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is the view I subscribe to so I can continue to eat pasta and rice
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have no special expertise but i have been coping with a (very) minor skin condition with no known cure that i hypothesize has something to do with diet and nutrition. so i've tried a lot of different approaches. unfortunately the one that seems most successful is also by far the hardest (for me anyway): the "raw food" diet.
― ryan, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
my sister in law has been diagnosed with MS and a modified raw food diet seems to have helped her control some of her symptoms to an extent.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
update: my sprouting onions look quite green and healthy
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 16 March 2012 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
can you do the green onion thing forever? like is there a point where they just give up?
― are chads electorate (brownie), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
no they are perpetual onions
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
but only if you buy the variety 'evergreen onions'
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
make your green onions sprout forever using this one weird trick
the green onionhood forever
― catbus otm (gbx), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
down with deciduous onions
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 March 2012 01:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's like basil plants, right. they tell you it can't re-spawn but you can keep it going on a kinda lower-energy cycle for a while, growing smaller leaves.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Saturday, 17 March 2012 10:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
I planted green onions from seed yesterday, but will also try the sprouting thing with some stuff I have in the fridge.
Currently on the stove: soup with homemade chicken stock along with onion, carrot, celery, orange pepper, tomato, cabbage, and kale. Oh and just a tiny bit (one slice) of bacon. Also garbanzo beans, gonna chuck some macaroni in there as well.
NN question: are corn tortillas considered wholep-grain? Also, is pho NN? 'Cause if pho is wrong, I don't want to be right.
― quincie, Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Just don't drink the broth like a crazy westerner. Pho is high calorie, but pretty not bad
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Just don't drink the best part? Have you met me?
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
the broth is crazy sodium-y, no?
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
drink more water
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
instead of drinking eight glasses of pho broth a day? whatevs.
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Sunday, 18 March 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 March 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
my sprouted green onions have grown a lot! who knew they had it in them? they are champs. I feel like a proud parent.
I'm afraid to strip away the onion skin to see what my sprouted onions look like. feels like a dorian gray situation.
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm sucking at NNing, but hey the garden is on its way so better times ahead I think. Planted green onions from seed, they have sprouted!
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Went to a Vegan diner/bakery for brunch. Cookies are find for you if they're vegan, right? RIGHT?!
:/
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Absolutely! Just like you can eat as much guacamole as you can possibly put down because avocados=sooooo good for you!
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
OK, good. I'm glad we're on the same page about this.
It was so good though and except for the cookies and fries (whoops) sort of NN. I had scrambled eggs and homemade seitan chorizo. It was amazing.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
sugars about the only bad thing I can think of
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
How do you prounounce seitan? I always say "say-tan" (think spray tan) but have never been sure if that's correct.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
Obv I had eggs so the diner part was veg not vegan but the bakery was all vegan, I think. This place was SO GOOD.
I also do the spray tan pronunciation, based on vegan friends who say it that way!
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is correct i think
― catbus otm (gbx), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
:)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
In non-NN, non-vegan news, I am dining frenchie tonight and will probably have bone marrow if on the menu
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
My dad loves marrow. I've never had it. Hope your meal is yummy :)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
sweet potato fries count, right? I ate a LOT of them :/
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
i've been going meatless during the week. on the weekends i've been meat crazy but yesterday was only bbq chicken and tonight cooking with pork necks. my plan now is one meat dinner per week, oh god that rib eye with Szechuan sauce at the local Japanese place here i come next Wednesday.
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol @ "Szechuan sauce at the local Japanese place"
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
its' actually an ~Asian fusion~ restaurant
it's pretty heavy on japanese cuisine
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i just hate the word fusion tho
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
also, i'm culturally ignorant
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha I was just teasing the restaurant
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am amused by pan-asian restaurants in general
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
i need my rib eye with sauce so any Port Arthur in a storm
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's a place around here that does pho, bibimbap, sushi, lo mein
you get a free bubble tea if you spend $10 or more
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
You can use steamed cabbage for ssam. My mother serves it with miso instead of red pepper paste. I prefer it with pickled vegetables. I bought a head of red cabbage this past week. I think red cabbage might also work for ssam (with pickled vegetables). I had it steamed hot, steamed cold, raw shredded with carrots, and raw pieces from the head. It stains your fingers! If my brother ever opens or works in a fusion restaurant, I hope there will be more to the fusion than dipping sauces ... But I don't think he will.
― youn, Sunday, 25 March 2012 00:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Costco has Wild Plant Sardines in olive oil 6 for 9.99, sorry if this is old news, haven't been in a while.
― svend, Monday, 26 March 2012 02:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've been doing Abb's spring onions in water re-grow thing, it worked! but, after only growing about 3 inches of new green, the bulb/root end turned into a mushy pulp and it died?
Also, it smells VERY oniony :/
― zooey bechamel (Trayce), Monday, 26 March 2012 04:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
on this again
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
my bf has joined in a weight loss study through a local hospital, 2 years long, with a cognitive-behavioral emphasis. he's been at for like 5 or 6 weeks and has already dropped 15 lbs. i started preparing healthy meals for us at the outset and i'm just getting on board now with the calorie counting, which is both challenging & illuminating.
i'm on the 4th day of restricting my intake to 1600 cal per day, with some allowance for more on days i exercise. i'm really hungry right now.
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
i got an app to see how my calorie intake is (and protein, carbs etc), and its kinda much lower than i thought
breakfast: 461 calories (muesli, yoghurt, strawberries)lunch: 254 calories (canned tuna, a yam, baby leaf salad)dinner: 920 calories (butternut squash, mackerel, onion, tomato, avocado, asparagus, okra)
other: 300 carrot/celery/spinach (juiced), banana
only comes to 1930 - didnt feel hungry
over on saturated fat and sodium, thats the mackerel - should have got tinned not smoked
― coal, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 12:58 (11 months ago) Permalink
I got a Fitbit! And god help me, I'm going to Zumba tonight (first and possibly last time).
Oh sorry that is not nutrition. Better seasonal produce availability = easier NNing for me. Picking radishes, sugar snaps, snow peas, lettuces from the garden now.
― quincie, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:58 (11 months ago) Permalink
canned tuna, a yamthe mental image of someone eating tuna out of a can while gnawing on a yam is cracking me up.
― kate78, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:21 (11 months ago) Permalink
a yam, a plan, a can of tuna
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:40 (11 months ago) Permalink
haha i totally laughed when i read that too!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
i think it's also because, like ham, yam is a comedy word
and both are delicious
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:05 (11 months ago) Permalink
anyone have any thoughts on chia seeds?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 02:51 (11 months ago) Permalink
Not as healthy as flax.
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Saturday, 9 June 2012 22:37 (11 months ago) Permalink
more expensive too iirc
― it's smdh time in America (will), Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:24 (11 months ago) Permalink
chia, that is
― it's smdh time in America (will), Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:25 (11 months ago) Permalink
bought a Vitamix at Costco!
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:35 (11 months ago) Permalink
eating paleo for 2 weeks now and it's really agreeing with me at this point.
― carne asada, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
expensive though
this isn't really the right thread for this but i have been doing boot camp 3 mornings a week and i feel good, and strong. also calorie counting and eating healthy. but I'm not making any progress weight wise. what to do???
― tehresa, Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:25 (11 months ago) Permalink
you very well may be changing the shape of your body in a positive way still. don't be discouraged by the numbers because that doesn't tell the whole story imo. just keep working at it
― carne asada, Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:37 (11 months ago) Permalink
yah don't worry about the weight piece tza, you are a champion
― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
if you feel stronger you probably are getting stronger, which will keep your weight pretty constant.
― goole, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
muscle weighs more than fat iirc
― un® (dayo), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:34 (11 months ago) Permalink
i know all that but laziness made me gain weight from my previous period of awesome and i would really like it to come back off. it's especially frustrating since the last time i was on a routine like this i lost weight much more easily. is this what happens when you get old?
― tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 12:02 (11 months ago) Permalink
Yes, yes it is.
― quincie, Friday, 22 June 2012 13:45 (11 months ago) Permalink
all you can say is lol bodies, don't blame it on yourself (and "laziness")
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 22 June 2012 13:48 (11 months ago) Permalink
^^^
― JuliaA, Friday, 22 June 2012 13:51 (11 months ago) Permalink
I'm trying to adopt a rather nostalgic attitude about my younger body, like "hey wasn't it so awesome to eat like that, and smoke and drink, and still rock crazy little bikinis and minis? Wasn't that something? Boy, those were the days!" The same attitude I have about those long-gone days of staying out all night, doing drugs, crushing on boys with guitars, etc. Fun then, NAGL now.
― quincie, Friday, 22 June 2012 13:52 (11 months ago) Permalink
staying foxy is another discussion entirely
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 22 June 2012 14:03 (11 months ago) Permalink
Tza it totally sucks but it's true that aging effects that. It is way harder for me to lose weight now than it was when I was younger. I didn't want to admit it because most days I still feel 18 but age is definitely a factor.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 22 June 2012 14:19 (11 months ago) Permalink
le sighhhhh
― tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
so on the plus side, this morning after boot camp (which, btw, i got up at 5:45 to attend on my day off!) i actually found myself wishing it'd been longer.
― tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:02 (11 months ago) Permalink
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20120626/all-calories-not-created-equal-study-suggests
kinda confirms what I've been suspecting lately!
I am pretty constant in the amount of food I eat from day to day but I def notice that on baking days, I tend to feel 'heavier' the next day, probably on account of all the brownies and cookie dough I sneak on the side ;~(
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 23:03 (10 months ago) Permalink
My whole foods now has health starts here salad dressings on the bar - no oil, lots of flavor!
― tehresa, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 16:54 (10 months ago) Permalink
it is a lot easier to not eat carbs during summer, i find. as long as i don't buy chips at the store. don't buy chips at the store. don't. buy. chips.what i have been eating for the saltiness factor is avocado with soy sauce on it. which is really satisfying! my stomach is much happier too. i don't even know why i started eating chips again. maybe because i was eating them while on vacation in april. eesh.
i firmly believe that study, especially for myself, as lowish-carb is great for me, but i also believe that people's bodies are different and handle different kinds of food differently. that is my non-committal answer.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:38 (10 months ago) Permalink
i was just thinking about this thread because i bought raspberries, strawberries and cherries at the store today and some ricotta to go with them! dessert meal
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:39 (10 months ago) Permalink
we have an (inadvertent) bag of chips in the house and it's just the best and the worst
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:41 (10 months ago) Permalink
anyway does anybody know what happens when you mix high GI and low GI foods? I read somewhere the overall effect is that of eating the equiv. of medium GI food. wondering if that's how asians avoid diabetes!
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:43 (10 months ago) Permalink
yeah i was talking to a friend last night who just got back from a couple of weeks visiting family and she said she'd forgotten how many people just have pantries stuffed with easy food like chips and crackers and granola bars, etc, food you don't have to do anything to, just take out of the bag/box and eat. i seriously have none of that food in my house (because nutrition nazi). unless fruit counts as easy food.
i totally had poutine and beer for dinner last night though. everything in moderation!xp
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:46 (10 months ago) Permalink
well, the rule i have learned is that if you're going to eat something like white rice, always eat it with protein, fat and fibre/vegetables. basically always eat carbs with protein at the very least, not alone. as a regular, non-athlete person.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:48 (10 months ago) Permalink
yeah that makes sense. who eats white rice by itself? jeez
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:49 (10 months ago) Permalink
i think some people just eat it with vegetables, no protein or fator yknow, pasta with tomato sauce, toast with jam, etc
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:02 (10 months ago) Permalink
I've been experimenting with green smoothies in my Vitamix but every time I include celery (in most green smoothie recipes), I don't like the taste. Too, uh, 'green.'
Thinking about ditching celery for extra spinach/kale, unless I'm missing something special about celery?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:13 (10 months ago) Permalink
celery has a punchy taste, I would ditch it and maybe add carrots instead?
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:14 (10 months ago) Permalink
okay that's not green, go with the extra spinach
Carrots would be good, I think. I'll try that next time.
been doing this lately:
bunch of spinachgreen apple or pearscoop of flax seedsscoop of unflavored whey proteincucumberwhatever else is around that sounds interesting
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:26 (10 months ago) Permalink
white (jasmine) rice is not even a little bad for you! i am chief of the brown rice patrol, but the health benefits of jasmine are basically equivalent to much of the brown that I eat, and it cooks more quickly and doesn't tend to overwhelm a lot of the delicate sauceys I make
― uncondensed milky way (remy bean), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:34 (10 months ago) Permalink
I pretty much only eat brown rice now -- I didn't know that jasmine was as beneficial!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:37 (10 months ago) Permalink
yeah wow that's great. doubly so because it is the best white rice, imo.
― blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:43 (10 months ago) Permalink
what's good about it? i'm making brown jasmine right now.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:51 (10 months ago) Permalink
harbl, overachiever.
― quincie, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:52 (10 months ago) Permalink
Super interesting series of 3 short videos from Dr. Michael Greger's excellent nutritionfacts.org site about bacterial endotoxins & saturated fat. Its been known for a couple of decades that meals with saturated fat cause arterial inflammation, leading to cholesterol plaque deposition and thence heart attacks and strokes. Turns out the main culprit may not be the fat itself, but cooking resistant bacterial toxins in the meat/cheese that are transported through the intestinal wall in the presence of saturated fats:
1: The Leaky Gut Theory of Why Animal Products Cause Inflammation2: The Exogenous Endotoxin Theory3: Dead Meat Bacteria Endotoxemia
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:49 (10 months ago) Permalink
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/more-on-milk/http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/got-milk-you-dont-need-it/
mr bittman is becoming more and more of a NN by day
I've already quit milk but thinking about totally quitting cheeses + ice cream + dairy creamer too now
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:29 (9 months ago) Permalink
(Worth noting: they’re far more easily digested as yogurt or cheese than as fluid milk.)
oh good, sometimes people look at me like I am crazy when I tell them liquid milk gives me heartburn but cheese is no big deal. Not crazy!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:34 (9 months ago) Permalink
his argument for everyone reducing milk intake seems to be "some people are lactose intolerant".
i know there are serious arguments for everyone to reduce milk intake, but he doesn't make them. his argument is like saying we should stop telling people to walk to work because some people only have one leg.
hidden in there is what he's actually saying, and which all his own argument supports, which is "I do think that on the basis of what appears to be widespread experience anyone with chronic heartburn or any of the other ailments mentioned above would be missing an opportunity if he or she didn’t give a nondairy diet a shot."
― caek, Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:42 (9 months ago) Permalink
ban milk
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:45 (9 months ago) Permalink
I know that i feel p shitty after having coffee with creamer, al though I do feel a different kind of shitty drinking black coffee on an empty stomach
but w/ the way milk is marketed in the US and how being lactose intolerant makes you feel like you have a green horn growing from your school Im glad somebody is stepping up to fight big dairy!
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
yeah it sounds like there are historical milk issues at play over there
― caek, Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:48 (9 months ago) Permalink
"from your school" I meant 'from your head'
although it's not surprising that I associate milk w/ school, I was fed bags of milk from grades 1-12, it was the standard drink issued
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:49 (9 months ago) Permalink
although fwiw saying things like "1½ pounds by weight", which is *absolutely meaningless* but is clearly included to appal/shock, makes me think he's being deliberately misleading or doesn't know very much about nutrition
― caek, Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:49 (9 months ago) Permalink
note: i like his recipes
― caek, Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:50 (9 months ago) Permalink
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:51 (9 months ago) Permalink
I had only read 1/3 of the article when I posted before, the rest of the article was spot-on to my experience, except I hate going to doctors so I just googled & found that coffee with milk can be heartburny. I've noticed that milk with sugar added (I used to drink coffee with both) was what really got me. I switched to soy cream for my coffee and almond milk for smoothies and almost never get heartburn, unless I eat something REALLY cheesy or something like cheesecake/ice cream. But I avoid those 90% of the time.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 2 August 2012 13:02 (9 months ago) Permalink
http://silksoymilk.com/images/product/creamerOriginal.pngthank you for saving coffee
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 2 August 2012 13:03 (9 months ago) Permalink
Newly minted doctors in the U.S. typicaly don't get even the 25 hours of nutrition training recommended by the National Academy of Sciences, and what they do get is focused on acute deficiency syndromes. Ie, any curious layperson can learn more about nutrition than their physician's formal training with only a few weeks of study, much as any curious layperson can learn more about their particular disease than non-specialist physician might know with modest effort.
So its not terribly surprising that few people with potentially dairy related disorders don't receive the simple advice of trying a dairy-free diet for a few weeks.
This video lecture by John McDougall runs a bit long, but its a nice introduction to some of the health issues associated with dairy consumption. Nutritionfacts.org has 50+ better referenced short videos on current/recent research related to dairy.
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:16 (9 months ago) Permalink
my mom works at a hospital (not as a doctor) but hangs out with doctor friends. when she told them she had stopped drinking milk on my advice they looked at her as if she had a third eye
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:17 (9 months ago) Permalink
how many eyes does she have?
― caek, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:18 (9 months ago) Permalink
Ahem. ^^ ... few people with potentially dairy related disorders receive the simple advice ...
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:22 (9 months ago) Permalink
two, actually
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:26 (9 months ago) Permalink
I took a science-oriented nutrition 101 course when I was in community college. It met the criteria for one of my science credits, along with bio 101. When I tried to transfer that course to another school, I received a reply to the effect of "this institution does not accept transfers of weight-loss or physical education classes for course credit".
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/Horizon_20122013_Eat_Fast_and_Live_Longer/
lots of nn relevant stuff
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:27 (9 months ago) Permalink
at the suggestion of a coworker (who is very sarcastic and said "it changed my life") i read why we get fat by gary taubes. it says eat less carbs. now i don't know what to eat for breakfast because i am not eating bacon and eggs every day. really i am eating bacon on no days. guess i'll keep eating carbs. i need to buy a new blender so i can make kale drinks.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Saturday, 18 August 2012 16:10 (9 months ago) Permalink
I'm dubious that "its the carbs". One need only look at early photography to recognize that a 50%-70% starch diet wasn't causing much obesity (the 19th century American diet was largely porridge, potatoes, whiskey, and bread). The same can be said of many developing nations.
Not the first or last time I've recommended this, but Robert.Lustig's Suger the bitter truth lecture really makes a compelling case that it's not the carbs, but the fructose.
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:23 (9 months ago) Permalink
ok
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
harbl why dont u eat some slow carbs in the morning like oatmeal u will feel full all morning without riding bloodsugar roller coaster
― dylannn, Thursday, 23 August 2012 07:41 (8 months ago) Permalink
but check how u feel after???????????? but r u carb sensitive? do u digest oatmeal okay?>
nocarb mornings are easy to get used to after about a week. protein+fat has more options than bacon and eggs too dude;
― dylannn, Thursday, 23 August 2012 07:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
also there are recipes for no grain oatmeal that are basically a mush of nuts + flax + cashew butter + almonds other nuts too pumpkin seeds. good replacement if u can't eat oats. NO GRAIN LIFESTYLE ONLY GRASS I EAT IS GRASSFED CATTLE.
― dylannn, Thursday, 23 August 2012 07:48 (8 months ago) Permalink
this week i have been eating one container of plain 2% greek yogurt, a serving of fruit, and a small handful of walnuts. i feel like it's been a huge improvement, i wasn't telling all my coworkers it was lunchtime at 11:20 like i usually do. i was still working after they started eating lunch! i was eating uncooked oatmeal, milk, fruit, and walnuts before.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 23 August 2012 12:46 (8 months ago) Permalink
actually i didn't get so hungry on the oats but i had to eat a lot. before that i would usually have either whole grain toast and a yogurt or 10-grain cereal and being hungry way before lunch was a thing all the time. i didn't eat any grains monday or tuesday but then i had some pita bread at dinner last night after some beers. i think i can get into the no grain lifestyle though.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 23 August 2012 12:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
I read some complicated article about why a lot of ppl get so hungry so quickly after breakfast, and why it's ok to not eat breakfast, but it was to do with hormones and insulin and I don't even know if it's reliable. But it made me feel better about not being a breakfast eater.
― just1n3, Thursday, 23 August 2012 14:43 (8 months ago) Permalink
i never eat breakfast during the work week
― buzza, Thursday, 23 August 2012 15:33 (8 months ago) Permalink
there's a variation on intermittent fasting that skips breakfast and pushes lunch late - so that if you have dinner by 8PM and lunch at 1PM, you're fasting 17 hours but sleeping for (presumably) almost half that.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 23 August 2012 16:05 (8 months ago) Permalink
right that brand of IF is identified with that leangains guy nowadays at least with strength conditioning messageboard people
― dylannn, Friday, 24 August 2012 04:19 (8 months ago) Permalink
cool program because it's just so simple to follow and you immediately remove thinkijng about feeding yourself from most of the day's thoughtprocessing. but i think a lot of what he has to say might qualify as "broscience" and most of the benefit is just hard to eat calories over maint in a small window especially on lowcarb whole foods
― dylannn, Friday, 24 August 2012 04:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
coconut milk, yea or nay? it's obv fatty, but my research is conflicted about whether even a reduced fat version is good/bad.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
this is the wrong thread to say "it's delicious, fuck it" i guess
― syntax evasion (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:31 (8 months ago) Permalink
further research is suggesting yea
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:33 (8 months ago) Permalink
There aren't many good scientific studiess on dietary coconut milk or oil and human health. Some finds from pubmed:
Here's a fairly positive and likely biased review article, which primarily notes the antimicrobial and antioxidant benefits of coconut. But many of the reviewed articles are in vitro or for topical use, with few good human/animal dietary studies.
Coconut oil and palm oil increase HDL-C (good) cholesterol compared to lard
On the other hand:
High coconut oil diets without excess calories induce artherosclerosis in rabbits. There are actually quite a few studies in which rodent heart disease is induced by adding coconut oil to chow going back decades - it appears to be a standard experimental setup (here's another), with the experiments testing whether another nutrient can prevent deleterious effects.
Meals with coconut milk (Singaporean Nasi Lemak: rice cooked in coconut milk) are as bad for human endothelial function as an Egg McMuffin.
So, skim coconut milk may in fact be beneficial, but the fatty portion of whole coconut milk, despite the HDL elevation, appears as bad for your arteries as butter or lard.
― A guy who one-shots his coffee before it even cools down (Sanpaku), Saturday, 15 September 2012 16:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
xxxp you're talking about actual coconut milk that comes in cans and not coconut milk beverage?
― fit and working again, Saturday, 15 September 2012 18:32 (8 months ago) Permalink
Is it possible that in eating paleo-ish for a few solid months about a year ago, I set myself up to react to carbs more strongly than before? I liked eating paleo-ish, but I fell off the wagon. Before I started, I would get sugar spikes/crashes from carbs and get hungry very suddenly. Now, after the paleo-ish interlude, back on the carbs, this seems much worse. I get insanely, desperately hungry even more suddenly.
― ljubljana, Sunday, 23 September 2012 18:21 (7 months ago) Permalink
Its plausible. If you were getting most of your fuel from ketosis it would naturally upregulate all the glucose transporters in glucose starved cells.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
I didn't think I was eating low-carb enough to enter ketosis (had tons of veg and fruit) but who knows, maybe I was... Or maybe I'm just eating even more carbs now than I was pre-paleo.
― ljubljana, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:11 (7 months ago) Permalink
I've read that insulin spikes can lead to increased appetite. Maybe that's what was going on.
― ryan, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 01:51 (7 months ago) Permalink
still not ready for full nn steez but solidly trying to eat healthy + less + better (also exercise wow)
today I learned that I like cottage cheese! mum used to eat it when she did weight watchers and ugh it was so watery and bland and slimy and gross I swore I would never eat it again
today = rice cakes & cottage cheese with some lemon pepper oh hi yum!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:27 (7 months ago) Permalink
(i didn't know where else to post)
Cottage cheese on baked potatoes is the best (not paleo I know...)
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
ooh i will try that
don't eat potatoes much these days but come wintertime that might be one to try
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:41 (7 months ago) Permalink
cut up cherry tomatoes and green pepper and add it to your cottage cheese
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:22 (7 months ago) Permalink
substitute cuke for the pepper if you don't like green pepper
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:23 (7 months ago) Permalink
! will try!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:23 (7 months ago) Permalink
prefer green pepper cooked vs raw: cukes otm tho
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:24 (7 months ago) Permalink
had free pizza for lunch, ugh
going with a smoothie and hard boiled eggs and spinach for dinner
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:24 (7 months ago) Permalink
I need to do some hardboiling of eggs tonight
damn I love hb eggs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:25 (7 months ago) Permalink
What do you eat them with hard-boiled? I should eat more eggs for breakfast but I tend to go for soft-boiled, but then I have to have toast.
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:39 (7 months ago) Permalink
soy sauce
― barthes simpson, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
yeah something salty
dash of salt or soy
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:42 (7 months ago) Permalink
I like them cold, on their own
maybe a bit of salt - if they're super yummy eggs then nothing
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:43 (7 months ago) Permalink
I have trouble with the texture of the runny yolk when they're soft-boiled, it kinda skeeves me out for some reason
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:44 (7 months ago) Permalink
Tbh I slice one medium-boiled egg and spread it on one bialy and salt it. It's not paleo, but it is delicious.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:50 (7 months ago) Permalink
soft boiled eggs are the best
― barthes simpson, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:51 (7 months ago) Permalink
I've never had a bialy. now I want one
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:52 (7 months ago) Permalink
x-post - You're not alone, VG. I can't stomach runny yolk at all. Runny yolk makes me feel sick.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:52 (7 months ago) Permalink
Bialys are really, REALLY good. They're small, and kind of sour like sourdough, and have a more doughy/chewy texture than a bagel or bread. I scrape the mushy onions out of the middles but some people love the onions, so if that's your thing....
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:54 (7 months ago) Permalink
I like bialys onions and all.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:55 (7 months ago) Permalink
I also personally find a bialy a reasonable portion size, kind of like an English muffin but denser, whereas a New York bagel is basically two meals at this point.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:58 (7 months ago) Permalink
I'll have to keep my eye out for them, I tend not to eat bagels because there's just too much
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 23:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
Never had them either, wanna try. Googling reveals one (1) place to buy them here.
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 23:50 (7 months ago) Permalink
googling reveals zero (0) places to buy in Sacto
;_;
but maybe I can get some next time I'm in San Francisco, so all is not lost
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 23:57 (7 months ago) Permalink
am going to try almond milk
any brand recommendations? I'm guessing unsweetened is the way to go?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:15 (7 months ago) Permalink
Silk Pure Almond unsweetened!
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:18 (7 months ago) Permalink
Sweetened is still only like 60 cals per cup. Ytth likes the trader joe's stuff
― just1n3, Friday, 5 October 2012 19:33 (7 months ago) Permalink
Unsweetened Almond Breeze is my usual purchase. The sweetened variety isn't that bad, but the unsweetened kind has more utility for creaming up savory soups, etc.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Friday, 5 October 2012 19:51 (7 months ago) Permalink
I'm planning to use it in coffee and I don't really use sweetener at all so I figured unsweetened would be best
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:34 (7 months ago) Permalink
you can get unsweetened vanilla if it doesn't grab you.wanna throw out another vote for VANILLA RICE MILK, underappreciated substitute milk of the substitute milks, but sure try almond why not.
― unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
<3 I will bear that in mind schlump
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:41 (7 months ago) Permalink
The only veggie milk I can definitely vote against is the kind of soy milk sold fresh in Asian groceries. It really does taste like liquid edamane, which is just odd. Western soy milk is rather different, and way more palatable (to Westerners, at any rate).
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Friday, 5 October 2012 23:32 (7 months ago) Permalink
western soy milk is undrinkable fwiw
― barthes simpson, Friday, 5 October 2012 23:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
1 head steamed cauli1 can white beansa little milk if neededa little tiny bit of butter (optional)plenty of salt of and pepperinto the food processor
= super tasty alternative to mashed potatoes
― just1n3, Saturday, 6 October 2012 04:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
white beans are so good. they pair well with sage.
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Saturday, 6 October 2012 04:10 (7 months ago) Permalink
yah i made a vegan "ricotta" for a lasagne last week
― just1n3, Saturday, 6 October 2012 04:31 (7 months ago) Permalink
(with white beans, i mean)
almond milk latte this morning - pretty yum! (Silk unsweetened, thanks orbit)
it'll take some getting used to but it's definitely a nice change not feeling quite so sluggish. I think maybe I have some lactose issues that I'd never noticed before? idk. I love the smell of it, it's much more pleasant to drink than I expected.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 October 2012 01:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
It's actually good! It takes more of it to dilute coffee to an equivalent point compared to milk but that's more nutty goodness with extra calcium.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Sunday, 7 October 2012 01:52 (7 months ago) Permalink
Yeah the calcium boost is a nice bonus! I like that it's not as thin and nothing-tasting as nonfat milk
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 October 2012 02:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
It would be nice if they could cut the salt down in the almond milk, I think one cup has around 10 percent of your daily sodium.
― svend, Sunday, 7 October 2012 02:08 (7 months ago) Permalink
I fixed that problem by increasing my daily sodium intake so it's a smaller percentage.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Sunday, 7 October 2012 02:16 (7 months ago) Permalink
I haven't found that to be an issue for me, my sodium intake's pretty low anyway
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 October 2012 02:20 (7 months ago) Permalink
made a ~healthy smoothie~ for breakfast today in lieu of coffee
as it turns out, I need coffeedrinking green tea rn, hoping to turn it around but oh brother, this was a little harder than I expected
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 October 2012 15:55 (7 months ago) Permalink
smoothie was delicious tho! greek yogurt, spinach, strawberries, flax seed & a little almond milk to grease my sad blender
We made some really good vegan cannelloni the other week from tofu and spinach. So nice!
― Superphysical Resurrection (NickB), Monday, 8 October 2012 16:04 (7 months ago) Permalink
i made this vegan alfredo tonight: http://www.mangiagioia.com/roasted-garlic-alfredo-with-asparagus--penne.html
it clearly doesn't have the cheesy richness of a real alfredo at all, but it does have a great creamy texture, and you could pump it up with nutritional yeast or galaxy brand rice-based parm. i also added smoked salt.
― just1n3, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 04:23 (7 months ago) Permalink
How much stevia should I use to replace half a cup of splenda in a recipe?
― ljubljana, Sunday, 14 October 2012 21:30 (7 months ago) Permalink
i found this: http://www.cookingwithstevia.com/stevia_conversion_chart.html
and this:1 cup Sugar1 cup Sucralose24 packets Stevia Blend12 tsp. Spoonable Stevia Blend2.5 tsp. Stevia Extract Liquid1.5 tsp. PURE Stevia Extract Powder
― just1n3, Sunday, 14 October 2012 21:34 (7 months ago) Permalink
I am crying at that Q, but:They recommend a 1:1 conversion but I typically use 2/3rds to 3/4s the amount of stevia when I'm using it to sweeten a pie for sugar-free friends.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 14 October 2012 21:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
I usually use a little extra nutmeg and/or cardamom to compliment (? or mask?) the metallic unpleasantness of the stevia, but I've only ever used it in pies (usually pumpkin) and once in a sponge cake
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 14 October 2012 21:39 (7 months ago) Permalink
Thanks J - I did Google but could only find conversions for sugar. I obviously didn't look hard enough! Flamboyant, I will report back on whether I can stand the taste - this is for muffins.
― ljubljana, Sunday, 14 October 2012 22:27 (7 months ago) Permalink
I went and watched half of Sanpaku's recommended sugar vid. So it's my own damn fault if my muffins taste metallic from now on.
― ljubljana, Sunday, 14 October 2012 22:28 (7 months ago) Permalink
Flax seed in the muffin overwhelmed the stevia: pretty good result. That was a 1-minute microwave low-carb muffin (!) - trying some cream cheese ones next.
― ljubljana, Monday, 15 October 2012 00:32 (7 months ago) Permalink
Just pointing out that Dr. Lustig and other USF faculty did a 7-part followup for general audiences to Lustig's fructose lecture at http://www.uctv.tv/skinny-on-obesity/.
Also regarding low fructose baking, the page Cooking with Dextrose has some recipes. Dextrose is another name for glucose, ie the natural form of sugar in corn. A 50/50% compound with fructose is sucrose (table sugar) and a 45/55% solution with enzymatically produced fructose is HFCS. I'm not certain substituting dextrose for table sugar would be a net health positive as by definition it has a glycemic index of 100 (arguably bad for insulin resistance), but on the other hand its cheap and would be free of the issues that arise from fructose's liver metabolism that Dr. Lustig cites.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Monday, 15 October 2012 20:50 (7 months ago) Permalink
can anyone tell me anything useful about maca powder? i saw it by the flax the other day and wondered what one does with it.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 15 October 2012 20:53 (7 months ago) Permalink
Mixes it in things that mask its horrible, horrible taste, mostly. :)
― cwkiii, Monday, 15 October 2012 20:55 (7 months ago) Permalink
I can almost tolerate it mixed w/ vanilla-flavored greek yogurt.
has anyone had any experience with sucanat?
how does it compare, in baking for example, to brown sugar? woudl you get more of a molasses flavor from it, or does it behave sort of the same way, flavor wise?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 15 October 2012 20:57 (7 months ago) Permalink
Muffin update: eggy muffins made with almond flour taste more like eggs than like almond flour
― ljubljana, Monday, 15 October 2012 22:49 (7 months ago) Permalink
i used to use stevia in baking and other things fairly often (i even used to make those eggy tasting almond flour muffins! they did the trick - then i switch to almond-flour pancakes for a long time - better), when i was weaning myself off sugar (loved sugar so much) over a decade ago and felt i really needed baked goods and pudding and i don't know just sweet things to eat, and it works decently but isn't for everyone, taste-wise, yeah. i like bitter taste though, so... i didn't use very much at all, and have added honey or organic cane sugar to even out the taste.
really, i figure if you're not eating that many baked goods in the first place, no big deal. like, when do i eat muffins? seriously almost never, but they're nice from time to time, and if low-sugar, even better. but in the great scheme of sugary things, at this point in my sometimes-shakey NN career lol, i'd rather just eat one amazing, sugar-and-butter packed almond croissant every three months.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 03:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, my problem is that I currently eat a lot of sugar and carbs every single day. Weaning is exactly what I'm trying to do... I'm focusing on the sugar for now, and less on the other carbs. But a non-carby snack is also a good thing to have and the muffins do the trick. Nuts are fine and all but they don't have enough volume to keep me going between meals. Certainly not going to pretend I'll never eat sugar again, though. Almond croissants are top of my 'worth it' list!
Have you got the recipe for the almond flour pancakes by any chance?...!
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 03:50 (7 months ago) Permalink
Yeah! It's pretty open, like: an egg, 2 to 3 tablespoons almond flour, pinch of baking powder, maybe a tablespoon or half-tbsp of rice flour or even (gasp) wheat flour (if you're not going full-on NN/no-carb), pinch of stevia, cinnamon (and nutmeg, cardamon, ginger if you want - spices = good), bit of milk/cream and/or olive oil. and nutmeg, cardamon, ginger if you want), bit of milk/cream and/or olive oil. Make pancakes, use butter :) I had some sugar-free syrup on top for a while as part of the weaning process but eventually I let it go, used a tbsp sugarless applesauce instead. And while not carb-free, carbs are minimal - I found they kept me full for at least 4 hours that way.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 04:08 (7 months ago) Permalink
(whoops weird iPhone accidental cut-and-paste job)
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 04:09 (7 months ago) Permalink
i think you mean "dr lustig phd"
― caek, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 09:18 (7 months ago) Permalink
Thanks Rrr!
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 11:19 (7 months ago) Permalink
Trying to get back on the NN wagon. Forgive me Cutty for I have sinned.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:54 (7 months ago) Permalink
So has anyone here visited a nutritionist? And if so, would you have any idea how to find one that isn't a complete quack or a waste of time?
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (7 months ago) Permalink
i think dietitian is the "non-quack" version
― just1n3, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:27 (7 months ago) Permalink
In terms of getting guidance from someone TT probably wants to see a registered dietitian. Not all nutritionists are quacks but dietitians are those who have a professional license. I think.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:31 (7 months ago) Permalink
Do you have insurance, TT? A lot of insurance companies will list ones that they work in connection with and some will offer a discount.
this is pretty pricey, but if you're trying to get healthy and you're too busy/can't cook/hate cooking, it seems like a viable option:
http://freshnlean.com/
$35 p/day p/person if you live in california (includes 3 meals and delivery)
― just1n3, Friday, 19 October 2012 00:55 (7 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, non-quack is an important qualification. I already do ok, I think, but I kind of want to make sure I'm not leaving myself open to some kind of deficiency or eating too little or something stupid I haven't thought of yet. Wasn't sure what the dietician/nutritionist difference was
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Friday, 19 October 2012 01:07 (7 months ago) Permalink
Look for a licensed dietician, for sure! "Nutritionist" has no professional standards/licensure/regulation afaik
― quincie, Friday, 19 October 2012 01:53 (7 months ago) Permalink
anyone use this site? http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/index.html
finding it v interesting and useful.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:12 (7 months ago) Permalink
i just bought like 100 vegetables
― horribl ecreature (harbl), Sunday, 21 October 2012 14:00 (7 months ago) Permalink
list vegetables 1-53
― 乒乓, Sunday, 21 October 2012 14:07 (7 months ago) Permalink
no i just know there was 100
― horribl ecreature (harbl), Sunday, 21 October 2012 14:17 (7 months ago) Permalink
also eggs. i haven't eaten much pasta or "whole grains" for the past couple months and i feel good about it. last night since i was making bolognese sauce i was gonna have pasta but my big pot had stuff in it in the fridge so i baked a delicata squash instead, it was good.
― horribl ecreature (harbl), Sunday, 21 October 2012 14:18 (7 months ago) Permalink
getting into this. so, brown rice, it doesn't really taste any worse than white rice does it? maybe even nicer? i was expecting it not to be nice for some childish reason.
made this tonight: http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/brownricerisotto_84639
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:27 (6 months ago) Permalink
Brown rice tastes better than white rice imo! Kind of nutty and has more toothsomeness.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:28 (6 months ago) Permalink
yeah exactly, stands up to flavours a bit better too.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:29 (6 months ago) Permalink
brown rice is generally awful
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:30 (6 months ago) Permalink
oh I love brown rice! if you toast it a little before cooking, and add hot/near boiling liquid it comes up a lot nicer than cooking it up from cold like normal.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:30 (6 months ago) Permalink
yep this is how i did it. really good. i recommend that recipe above highly.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
I like brown rice way better than plain white but my favorite it maybe basmati.
― ENBB, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
pro tip: the purpose of rice is to balance out the oil/salt/flavor of the other foods you are eating. it's not really meant to be eaten by itself. hth!
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:37 (6 months ago) Permalink
yeah I don't really like rice on it's own in general
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:43 (6 months ago) Permalink
i heard eggs were good for youbut now i heard they were bad for youwhat's up nazis?
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:44 (6 months ago) Permalink
A nicely fragrant long-grained brown basmati is most excellent and not to be sneered at.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:45 (6 months ago) Permalink
eggs in moderation? is how I understand it?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:46 (6 months ago) Permalink
so like, i'm reading a lot about this stuff, but what i wonder about is whether things like brown rice/quinoa are still better avoided in favour of greens or veg. i'm having a lot of veg with these but is there any guide for ratios or whatever?
my main aim is to lose a little weight, i've got a lot slimmer in recent months due to exercise and following some of the obvious rules, less meat etc, i'm just sort of muddled about the need to eat healthy fat and whether that's part of losing weight.
is the key to all this to tackle nutrition first, in terms of eating really good stuff, then count calories after that and start making changes?
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:50 (6 months ago) Permalink
I mean honestly if you're eating brown rice & quinoa and vegetables and less meat and you've lost weight already, I fail to see the point of any further policing tbh. But I am not a nutrition nazi.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:29 (6 months ago) Permalink
i eat more meat now and i am getting super strong
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:32 (6 months ago) Permalink
If you want to go paleo, then do that instead, I guess? xp
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:34 (6 months ago) Permalink
the rule with veg is not a ratio thing: eat as much and as many as possible. there is no upper limit.
quinoa is cool. eat loads. brown rice is ruffage but it's otherwise empty calories. if you need the rice to feel full then eat more protein.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:23 (6 months ago) Permalink
if you need <em>lots</em> of rice to feel full, that should be.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:27 (6 months ago) Permalink
i wouldnt call this completely empty calories. it's not like iceberg lettuce or anything.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5707/2
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:47 (6 months ago) Permalink
my buddy claims brown rice is better for his pre-diabetes because of some glycemic thing.
are bananas good or bad now? the pro-yonanas lobby seems to have a vested interest in "yea"i feel like a banana every day or so won't hurt, but you shouldn't go bananas eating bananas.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:52 (6 months ago) Permalink
yeah i mean there are worse sins than brown rice.
but lettuce, etc. are not what i mean by empty calories. lettuce is basically zero calories. by "empty calories" i mean stuff with not much going for it other than the energy.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:53 (6 months ago) Permalink
eat bananas. they are good.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:54 (6 months ago) Permalink
bananas are awesome in smoothies too -- add a really good base for other fruit, you really notice when you make one without a nana
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:56 (6 months ago) Permalink
there was a lot of stuff about dietary cholesterol in egg yolks, that, afaict, is no longer a concern to most docs. otherwise they are fine imo. everything in moderation.
i discovered this stuff on my last trip to the US. taleban recruitment advert imo.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:02 (6 months ago) Permalink
i'm pretty sure jamba juice isn't healthy! not at 24oz anyway.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:03 (6 months ago) Permalink
those things are terrifying
avoid unless for some crazy reason you are medically unable to eat actual eggs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:03 (6 months ago) Permalink
but it's 99% real!
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:03 (6 months ago) Permalink
xpost not Jamba! homemade 12 oz smoothie with banana, berries, yogurt, greens and flax seed.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
that's the same thing they put in jamba juice, unless you get white gummy bear, then it's like that plus 3 scoops of sherbet.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
big difference between a smoothie and a juice
― just1n3, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:11 (6 months ago) Permalink
not being defensive, just want to explain myself. I use nonfat greek yogurt and/or unsweetened almond milk. I use fresh frozen strawberries or raspberries: if I use 2 fruits I combine them to make 1 cup worth, or 1 cup of one type of fruit only. no honey no other sweeteners. plus a good handful of spinach or kale and at least a tablespoon of ground flax.
I'm deliberately trying to avoid making ridiculously oversweetened sugarbomb smoothies. I don't get anything like the kind of horrible bloodsugar spikes I did when I was having huge lattes and toast, and the absence of dairy has helped my stomach problems enormously.
I know maybe they're not the ideal healthy breakfast but I feel like I'm feeling a lot better healthwise making these than I have felt in a long time.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 02:02 (6 months ago) Permalink
there are worse sins than brown rice
this is the sort of statement that makes me not a nutrition nazi. food and sin conflated. meh.
people vary enormously in how the food they eat interacts with their health and well-being. i don't care if you have a study that shows this that or the other. my body knows better than any study of other people what i need for my health.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 02:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
But the studies offer some useful hypotheses that you can try out on your own body to see if they feel helpful.
― ljubljana, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 02:39 (6 months ago) Permalink
what are the best ways, practically, that you guys use to eat more veg? it seems green salad with lots of varied veg in it and a protein would be a good way of doing this at dinner?
i'm putting veg into everything and eating lots of fruit, but i think it's still difficult to have 4.5 cups a day as seems to be recommended. especially if you're basing meals around brown rice/quinoa. that's the root of my questions i suppose, is filling up on these healthy carbs a bit of a waste relative to using veg and proteins instead? that seems to be your point caek?
yeah i mean, i don't need to follow any one particular regime but i'm quite interested in improving my nutrition as much as possible now that i've got the buzz for doing this, once something becomes an interest like this i usually can change my habits really quickly.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 08:38 (6 months ago) Permalink
this is the nutrition nazi thread.
that's the root of my questions i suppose, is filling up on these healthy carbs a bit of a waste relative to using veg and proteins instead? that seems to be your point caek?
exactly. well, quinoa is good stuff, but rice is kind of a missed opportunity if you're trying to calorie control. there are less calorific ways to feel full, that have the additional benefit of making you immortal (veg).
and iirc you are throwing kettle bells around, etc., so calorie control should mean sth different for you than just eat fewer calories. make sure you are getting lots of protein too, which is also v filling.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 10:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
healthiest protein sources are basically oily fish, nuts, lean chicken or turkey, right?
yep am doing a lot of kettle bell work and running 3/4 times a week too.
any thoughts on what are the best ways, practically, that you guys use to eat more veg?
i know these questions are sort of obvious, i kind of know the answers but i'm not keen to assume too much either.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 10:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
fatty fish (salmon, tuna, although getting healthy cuts of these can get expensive), oily fish (even supermarket mackerel is good in the uk imo. miss that so much), quark/cottage cheese (if you do dairy), eggs (if you do eggs). if milk agrees with you then drink milk. the recommended protein intake for a guy doing weights or anything like that is insane (1g/kg, 1g/lb depending on who you ask), and i basically have no idea how people who don't eat meat do it without protein powder.
we have a salad bar at work, and i try to eat as much salad as i can manage every lunch. it's handy because it's otherwise a bit of a hassle maintaing a fridge for interesting salads for 1. i bring in the rest of my lunch. nuts and apricots on my desk.
always have broccoli. have it with every meal. you can put spinach in a lot of stuff. kale in oil and garlic as a side. frozen veg is better than no veg: peas, beans, etc.
also eat lentils.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 10:54 (6 months ago) Permalink
p.s. i know nothing about meat, but you could probably eat some of that too.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 10:57 (6 months ago) Permalink
yeah it is hard to have a fridge full of stuff and not have things going off or whatever. esp as i'm broke at least for another 2/3 weeks. once normal service resumes things are a lot easier though.
i've started having nuts on my desk yeah. as for oily fish, sardines are good too, right? been eating a lot of those.
i don't really do dairy cos of health stuff but i have soy milk and yoghurt occasionally.
do you use recipe sites or just experiment?
xpost ah i see, i was wondering about the meat bit.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:01 (6 months ago) Permalink
thanks, btw, all very useful. i'm not trying to become arnie or whatever but i have a good discipline going on.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:02 (6 months ago) Permalink
sardines will make you live forever. eat these: http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2010/01/alton-browns-diet-weight-loss-sardine-avocado-sandwiches.html.
if money/waste is a problem then get frozen veg. it's pretty good in the uk.
i think like the last 5ish bona fide recipes i have added to my bench came from ilx.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:07 (6 months ago) Permalink
good recipes here: curry chronicles
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:08 (6 months ago) Permalink
love serious eats, that sandwich looks awesome.
in terms of general nutrition and say knowing quinoa is better than brown rice, is it basically just a case of looking at how nutritious something is v its calories?
again, i know this sounds a bit basic, but i find lots of sites you'd expect to trust are really dumbed down and don't provide clear info. or (and the nhs is an extreme of this) it's like they have reduced the factual element of their nutrition advice because they are aiming for a best case scenario in terms of improving public health.
as such it's quite hard to find good and reliable info.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:15 (6 months ago) Permalink
I guess my basic rule of thumb is that if something has significant calories then it better have some protein. Beyond that, as long as you're eating better stuff than you used to eat, in a sustainable way (important!) then you're doing well.
I think there are only a few people here who think seriously about ratios of omegas, vitamins, acidity, etc. Personally I just eat as much veg as poss.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:53 (6 months ago) Permalink
always have broccoli. have it with every meal.
the v-1 of being a nutrition nazi
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:55 (6 months ago) Permalink
i generally have a lot of problems with getting tired all the time and constantly being hungry. past couple months i have eaten a lot more meat, very few grains, and more fatty things. i used to just be like fiber, fiber, fiber. i definitely feel better but i can't tell if that's what caused it because (1) i'm in a slightly different job that doesn't require running around like a maniac all day 3x/week, (2) it stopped being 100º every day at the same time i changed foods and jobs, (3) i am totally into heavy lifting, which i started doing around the same time all the other stuff changed. before i would run if i had enough energy after work, otherwise would not get exercise. and i was mostly dead tired after work. i am mostly focused on protein now but it's impossible for me to get 1g/lb of bodyweight, that's insane. i think i get 100-120g/day. i use protein powder sometimes. greek yogurt, chicken, big hamburgers (no bun), sardines, and eggs are good. i think it's easier to cook for myself eating meat because it doesn't require much preparation like beans or something, i just make a kale salad and/or sweet potato or squash with it). i don't have time or desire to read tons of articles about food stuff and they all disagree with each other anyway so i just do what i feel ˘\(o_o)/˘nb i have not gotten fatter, probably less fat bc i have more muscles and weigh the same
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:30 (6 months ago) Permalink
yeah i really struggle with protein. i don't eat meat and non-canned fish is terrible here (munich). i probably get 100g on a good day. i weigh 180ish. ugh.
these are geared towards lifters, but they're concise and pragmatic, and not as bad as you'd think from the URLs
http://www.reddit.com/help/faqs/Fitnesshttp://4chanfit.wikia.com/wiki/Harsh's_Worksheet_(WIP)
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:43 (6 months ago) Permalink
lol @ 4chanfit :)
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:47 (6 months ago) Permalink
haha at the comments on the wiki link without the )
working link
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:49 (6 months ago) Permalink
(3) i am totally into heavy lifting, which i started doing around the same time all the other stuff changed.
fucking awesome!!!
― goole, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:33 (6 months ago) Permalink
totally into lifting heavy shit now.it's something i never really liked before but i dig it.
― carne asada, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:41 (6 months ago) Permalink
i've been at it for a year and i have to restrain myself from evangelizing
― goole, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:48 (6 months ago) Permalink
it is a lot of fun!
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:55 (6 months ago) Permalink
i evangelized todayfed chard and tofu to a chilean and he liked it!
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:56 (6 months ago) Permalink
we have some generic fitness threads, should we have an ilxor sw0le thread
― goole, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:03 (6 months ago) Permalink
i wanted to start a thread about deadlifts but i was ashamed i can't actually lift that much yet, it's just impressive to me and me alone
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:09 (6 months ago) Permalink
there's your routine at the gym
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:12 (6 months ago) Permalink
nah that's not the same it was like how 3 women at my job started talking/arguing about the merits of ellipticals today and i wanted to be like LOL but i decided to just say nothing
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:13 (6 months ago) Permalink
i'm trying to think of a good swole thread title
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:16 (6 months ago) Permalink
i have pretty much taken on eating meat full time (lapsed vegetarian) and I am saddened that I feel a lot better overall :/ the vegetarian in me is pretty peeved.
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 23:01 (6 months ago) Permalink
i feel like my brain works better on meat
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 23:12 (6 months ago) Permalink
thread of getting sw0le
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:29 (6 months ago) Permalink
― homosexual II, Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:01 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
this is me as well, i couldn't thrive when i was vegetarian but i'd still rather not eat meat.
― estela, Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
Some times I think about that. I wonder if I'd have more energy if I started eating meat again but it has just been so long that I can't even imagine every doing so.
― ENBB, Thursday, 25 October 2012 13:50 (6 months ago) Permalink
Sometimes, even
― ENBB, Thursday, 25 October 2012 13:51 (6 months ago) Permalink
I've been feeling an urge to go back to meat again lately, but over the weekend I took my daughter to a petting zoo and got up close to some chickens and cows. It threw me for a loop.
― how's life, Thursday, 25 October 2012 13:57 (6 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I don't think I could actually do it but I wonder. I've definitely relaxed a lot. The other night the thai food delivered basil rice with chicken instead of tofu but I was too hungry and lazy to wait for them to correct the order so I picked out the chicken. Years ago I wouldn't have done that because OMG IT TOUCHED.
― ENBB, Thursday, 25 October 2012 14:01 (6 months ago) Permalink
I think the thing that bugs me is that I think I would do a better job constructing a healthy as a meat-eater than a vegetarian. I make an effort to eat food that's not processed all to shit, but it's pretty half-hearted.
― how's life, Thursday, 25 October 2012 14:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
Personally, I have more energy than when I carried a couple days meat/dairy slowly rotting at 98.6 °F. But just a reminder, B12 supplementation is an absolute must, there are no reliable vegetable sources (unless like cows you eat soil too), and the consequences of low B12 are too severe.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:38 (6 months ago) Permalink
sorry I lol'ed at 'unless like cows you eat soil too'
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
I know this must already be on this thread somewhere, but Sanpaku, can you defend the need for supplementation in a healthy diet? I have the vaguest arguments about evolution swirling around in my head that are telling me the rotting meat/dairy must still have the edge over a diet that needs supplementation, but there are probably easy ways to knock them down.
― ljubljana, Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:40 (6 months ago) Permalink
i have both rotting meat and rotting vegetables inside of me
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:29 (6 months ago) Permalink
Our paleolithic ancestors lived 33 years, on average. A high animal protein diet that increased IGF-1 and hence stature was likely beneficial for hunting and mating success, as the downsides of excess animal protein causing osteoporosis, or the IGF-1 promoting late life cancer simply don't matter for Darwinian fitness. The chronic diseases of affluence don't matter to those who don't live long enough to develop them.
I spent 30 years of my life caring for relatives with progressive multiple sclerosis or post-stroke dementia, so that definitely influences my preferences. Diet for me isn't about being buff, but avoiding chronic disease which may not be symptomatic for decades. Modern weightlifters are aiming at something rather different than I am, which is a long, disease free lifespan. A low-fat whole foods vegan diet is a pretty easy way to achieve this, as it can practically eliminate heart disease, stroke and diabetes, and radically reduce cancer and kidney disease incidence (which together account for most deaths in the US). Ideally, I'd like to die after a 1 week bout of pneumonia after an expected 83 years of disease free life (like the vegan Adventists in the largest US cohort study of vegetarianism). If I had more willpower I'd do the CRON diet, which might yield 120 years if started at birth, with the downside of constant hunger.
Michael Greger (who's a hero of sorts to me) does a nice rundown on diet and the leading causes of death:
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:29 (6 months ago) Permalink
my main goals are(1) not feeling like shit every evening(2) not feeling hungry all the time(3) getting sw0le(4) not living for 120 years, i did vote yes on the death button thread after all
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 23:50 (6 months ago) Permalink
ljubljana, to your question there's nothing particularly "natural" about human dairy consumption, or grain-fed modern animal agriculture, either.
I think the naturalistic fallacy applies to health as well as ethics, I'd eat handfuls of vitamin pills if they offered better health. Most demonstrably don't, and several in fact seem to increase disease incidence/progression. Only two supplements (vitamin B12 for vegans, and vitamin D for those living outside the tropics) seem to offer significant benefits vs. cost for those otherwise eating a varied whole foods diet. No animal makes B12, our ancestors lost that metabolic pathway over a billion years ago, and rely on bacterial synthesis. Cows get it from not being picky about dirt (where the bacteria reside) in their food, as did vegans among our ancestral species. As for vitamin D, we spent most of our evolutionary history wearing loin cloths or less under the tropical sun, and now live indoors at latitudes where vitamin D synthesis from UV striking our skin is difficult much of the year. D certainly benefits bone health, immune function, inflammatory response, and (related) multiple sclerosis incidence, and perhaps helps cardiovascular disease and life expectancy.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Friday, 26 October 2012 00:11 (6 months ago) Permalink
Lifespan, shit, I knew it would be something I should have spotted straight off. Thanks for the vid; I'm not sure when I'll manage to get to it (still only half way through the sugar one) but I'll definitely take a look.
My problem is a bit like harbl's, though - hungry all the time. I've cut back on sugar a lot in the last 2 weeks, though, and that has helped a lot. I realised I'd been doing 'all or nothing' - either sugar plus other carbs or no sugar/very low carbs overall, and it's time to try (duh) not being a carb-nazi but also not having the sugar.
― ljubljana, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:11 (6 months ago) Permalink
if it was just hungry i could probably deal with it but irritability and fatigue and stuff are the worst. again i can't say what caused what since i changed so many things at once. i definitely wasn't b-12 deficient because i was eating just enough meat for that.
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Friday, 26 October 2012 01:23 (6 months ago) Permalink
i think it depends on what you have to do during the day though--when i was unemployed i was fine not eating any meat because i spent most of the day sitting around and didn't have to use my brain for anything. i didn't eat meat though all of college and law school though, i think. can't really remember.
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Friday, 26 October 2012 01:28 (6 months ago) Permalink
i am not implying vegetarian diets are for sedentary, dumb people
so i shouldn't say "i was fine not eating any meat" i should say i was fine not paying too much attention to anything except cheapness
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Friday, 26 October 2012 01:29 (6 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, hungry-all-the-time for me goes with fatigue and irritability too. Also, sugar-induced hunger is faster and way more intense.
― ljubljana, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:39 (6 months ago) Permalink
again, not ruling out occasional indulgences, not about to wave away special occasion cake etc. But it's helpful to be out of an office that had a tradition of cake- or chocolate-bringing every damn day.
― ljubljana, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:40 (6 months ago) Permalink
feel better than ever now that I am consciously returning back to small portion sizes
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html?_r=1
― just sayin, Friday, 26 October 2012 10:06 (6 months ago) Permalink
forget the studies, they live forever cos they don't work in offices or commute
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 11:48 (6 months ago) Permalink
article is not credible at all, makes no mention of sardines
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 October 2012 11:58 (6 months ago) Permalink
refused to read that because the headline is so creepy
― caek, Friday, 26 October 2012 12:01 (6 months ago) Permalink
just had a gigantic tomato/rocket/lettuce/red pepper salad from marks and spencers and two tins of sardines for lunch. probably a placebo effect but i it's like i can palpably sense the goodness after eating it.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 12:36 (6 months ago) Permalink
two tins
^ otm
― caek, Friday, 26 October 2012 12:36 (6 months ago) Permalink
i was having smaller salads and one tin before, only occurring to me how much more volume of healthy stuff you can eat.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 12:38 (6 months ago) Permalink
The New York times did a nice takedown of the Meditterranean diet last year Does the Mediterranean Diet Even Exist?. The healthy communities were the impoverished ones, that could only afford to eat lentils, fruits, and vegggies, so they got healthy. It's not the olive oil:
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Friday, 26 October 2012 15:37 (6 months ago) Permalink
I want to eat sardines but I'm still kind of afraid? I bought a nice tin of King Oscar. I just, I'm afraid I'll hate them? Or that the heads will skeev me out and I'll throw up, lol.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:03 (6 months ago) Permalink
there are no heads
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
no way
really?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:05 (6 months ago) Permalink
okay well that's a start
are they a weird thing for you? i used to have them as a kid on sunday evenings, sardines on toast.
do any of you guys buy them fresh much? i
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:09 (6 months ago) Permalink
I've never eaten them before, ever
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
vg: try the avacodo + sardine thing upthread. i mean it's still going to taste fishy, but the creaminess of the avacado + the vinegar takes the edge off it a lot.
― caek, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
i get them fresh literally every time i see them on the menu at a restaurant, but i don't have them fresh at home
i have bought them fresh quite a bit, really nice and you can do a bit more with them, they're great with chilli and lemon.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:11 (6 months ago) Permalink
in anything, on anything, around anything. have lived a sardine free life.
but I'm down with fish in general, and fishyness so there's no real reason why I shouldn't try them. I just need a way to eat them.
xpost yeah I think the avocado method sounds like the best delivery vehicle for me
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:11 (6 months ago) Permalink
how do you all fit seeds into things? just putting through quinoa or brown rice dishes sounds a good way, or maybe in morning porridge?
any other tips or suggested seeds beyond the obvious?
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 15:21 (6 months ago) Permalink
Ground flax seeds and chia seeds mixed in smoothies. Sunflower seeds or pumpkin seeds on salad. Sorry, nothing too exciting here.
― xanthanguar (cwkiii), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 15:26 (6 months ago) Permalink
You can get boneless and skinless sardines
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 15:36 (6 months ago) Permalink
1) Flax (despite being cheaper) is better than chia.2) Both pretty much pass right through unless ground. But whole seeds have a much higher shelf-life.3) As mentioned by cwkiii, ground flax & chia are great for thickening up smoothies. You can use 1 tbsp flax + 3 tbsp water (in blender) as an egg replacer in all sorts of recipes. Flax also works in salad dressings:
This is my salad dressing de jure, from Susan V.'s excellent recipe blog
Low-Fat Tahini-Chickpea Dressing1 tablespoon flax or chia Grind to a powder in blender, dry, then add1/4 cup chickpeas, 1/4 cup lemon juice, 1/2 cup water, 1 tbsp tahini, 1/2 tbsp tamari or soy sauce, 1 tbsp nutritional yeast, 2 cloves garlic, 2 tsp minced ginger Puree. Black pepper to taste
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:01 (6 months ago) Permalink
what about say, hemp? do they need grinding? i've also been putting sunflower seeds into things.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:12 (6 months ago) Permalink
Next to nothing is known about hempseed:
I was surprised to find so few articles published in the human medical literature on hempseeds, but maybe I shouldn’t be given the lack of much of an industry lobby and the stigma attached to the plant. Only 4 popped up in a pubmed search (excluding articles written by a “Dr. Ian D. Hempseed.”). The latest (available full-text) was a double-blind placebo-controlled comparison of fish, flax and hempseed oil supplementation that lasted 3 months and found no significant effects of any of them on lipid profile, LDL oxidation or measures of inflammation. This result is similar to what was found in my video Is Distilled Fish Oil Toxin-Free? Before that a study comparing daily tablespoons of flaxseed to hempseed oil similarly didn’t find much effect. The third was the study you cited, which found that 2 daily tablespoons of hempseed oil improved atopic dermatitis (an itchy skin rash) better than the same amount of olive oil. The researchers suggest it may be because of the gamma linoleic acid content of hempseeds, an omega 6 fatty acid that paradoxically appears to have an overall anti-inflammatory effect. Instead of downing the oil, as always I’d suggest eating the whole food–hempseeds–directly (same with flaxseeds, see my video Just the Flax Ma’am). And the final study, “Anaphylaxis to ingestion of hempseed” soundly debunks the wikipedia claim that “In fact, there are no known allergies to hemp foods.”
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:15 (6 months ago) Permalink
right. i've never bought them but kept reading (obviously bullshit) articles claiming them to be healthy.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:17 (6 months ago) Permalink
BTW, that's from a reader Q&A page at Dr. Greger's site. He has 28 HSUSA interns to ferret out info, I'm sadly solo.
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:18 (6 months ago) Permalink
I bought some hempseed oil because I found flax oil pretty intolerable in salad dressings. Its better, a bit more nut like (rather than unripe/green) tasting.
Flax definitely has the better essential fatty acid profile assuming you're eating other fats in your diet (58%:14% ω−3:ω−6, vs 16%:57% in hemp). The western diet is overwhelmingly heavy in the ω−6 linoleic (LA), which is metabolized to pro-inflamatory eicosanoids like the prostaglandins. The main ω−3 fatty acid in plants, α-Linolenic acid (ALA), competes for the same enzymatic pathways to produce less effective or ineffective eicosanoid hormones, and so seems to reduce inflamation (and hence cancer, vascular disease, arthritis etc). A 1:3 ratio like in hemp is considered ideal, but since you're probably getting so much ω−6 fat from other sources (pretty much every other vegetable oil except canola, which is 1:2), the flax presumably would help to redress the imbalance.
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:39 (6 months ago) Permalink
I will note, that even though flax oil is a bit of an acquired taste that I didn't acquire, its the absolute best oil for seasoning your cast iron skillet.
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
This is probably the wrong thread, and please redirect me if there's a better one, but... I have a friend with breast cancer that is also in her lymphatic system. She's Taiwanese, and her European husband studies Chinese medicine. She says she's not going through surgery and chemo, but going to rely on acupuncture, exercise, diet and meditation. She directed me to a youtube that promotes a vegan diet called the R@ve Diet and attacks chemo and surgery as an 'industry'.
She's had a difficult life and she seems to feel that she's 'gone wrong' by not looking after herself properly, and that when she starts to do that, she will have a good chance of getting better. I am so worried for her, and she has a toddler son. I don't want to attack her decision directly and it would do no good to do so. She will look at research, however. Sanpaku, does anything spring to mind?
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:36 (5 days ago) Permalink
This youtube claims breast cancer prognoses haven't improved since the 30s. Doctors and doctors-in-training: that's not right, is it? Even cursory Googling suggests that it isn't.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:38 (5 days ago) Permalink
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/
― markers, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:40 (5 days ago) Permalink
But however well his intuition and “magical thinking” may have worked for him at work, Jobs’ postponement of surgery in favor of alternative means was a bizarre executive decision. “We talked about this a lot.” says the biographer. “He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it. … I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner.”By the time Jobs finally opted for surgery, the cancer had spread. He had an under-the-radar liver transplant and began putting a lot of energy into researching the most sophisticated experimental methods, making a complete about-face from how he began his treatment years before.
By the time Jobs finally opted for surgery, the cancer had spread. He had an under-the-radar liver transplant and began putting a lot of energy into researching the most sophisticated experimental methods, making a complete about-face from how he began his treatment years before.
― markers, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:41 (5 days ago) Permalink
my cliched view on non-western medicine is that it's a good bet for preventive healthcare, but once you are actually diagnosed with a serious disease you should turn to conventional treatment.
― Treeship, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:43 (5 days ago) Permalink
but yeah, the jobs article might be a good thing to show her. i don't know if you can go about this without offending her... that might be unavoidable... but you should make sure she hears what you think she needs to hear.
― Treeship, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:46 (5 days ago) Permalink
The trouble with Jobs is that if you've decided your cancer was largely caused by stress, you'll see Jobs as someone who didn't knock his stress on the head and therefore wasn't doing the alternative treatments right.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:51 (5 days ago) Permalink
ljub, my mother in law was diagnosed with stage 3 pancreatic cancer last april. she did not want chemo and doctors felt that it was not as effective on that type of cancer, and risky since she is an advanced age. she opted to undertake the Ger$on therapy, which is basically juicing, coffee enemas, and some approved foods.
I thought it was the biggest load of horseshit I'd ever heard of, and I spent a few months actively fearing her imminent death. I felt like it was a really bad idea, that this stuff was quackery and she was risking her health.
She has not done anything aside from the therapy, no exercise or meditation or anything at all, she's only half-done the therapy and isn't even doing the enemas as often as she 'should'. (I can't blame her). But somehow, for whatever reason, her cancer has not grown. She has not gotten sicker. She has no pain. She is in good health. And her doctor says at each 3 monthly checkup, keep doing whatever it is you're doing because it's working.
the lesson for me wasn't that quackery isn't quackery. The lesson is that what your friend wants is in a lot of ways much more important than what you want FOR them. Whatever they choose, whatever treatment they want for themselves, that is the path you go down with them. Because their mindset is a big part of this.
I'm no more of an advocate for this quacked-out therapy than I was when I found out my MIL had cancer. It is working for HER, and that is the only truth I can really embrace. And while she's around for me to be with and enjoy and in no pain, I have no reason to tell her otherwise. I don't think I would choose that option myself. But I also know that chemo is painful and debilitating and even before any of that, it's fucking scary. What we want for our loved ones isn't always going to give you the best VERSION of them. I think there's some weight to thinking about which version of your friend you want.
But also just generally, be careful with how you counsel your friend, because ultimately this is a really personal choice and one that requires support from friends like you, no matter what she chooses.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:37 (5 days ago) Permalink
I'm no doctor. I'm contemplating that path but can't claim a comprehensive background or credentials in adjunct therapies. Its just become a hobby - some people watch TV, I google for phytochemicals that activate Keap1/Nrf2 pathways.
Once cancer has metastasized, there are some very prominent medical professionals that believe chemo rounds are unjustified cruelty - a lot of suffering for little likelihood of remission. So I respect ljubljana's friend's decision.
I will say that some dietary interventions seem to make a world of difference in cancer progression. Of primary importance is getting insulin like growth factor (IGF-I) as low as possible: this generally means a low protein, animal-product free diet. Dietary methionine restriction has been used as an adjunct to cancer therapy. A vegan diet, especially one moderate in soy, achieves this pretty easily.
A number of phytochemicals suppress the processes of inflammation central to cancer metastasis. The anthocyanins in berries appear particularly potent here.
The diet for longevity with cancer appears to be the same for cancer prevention: a whole foods plant based diet, with starch as the major calorie source, emphasizing plants with known antiproliferative effects: cruciferous vegetables, alium vegetables, many fruits but especially berries. Dark chocolate is cool. The beverage of choice is green tea.
For hope, I'd point her to the story of Ruth Heidrich, who had a similar diagnosis of infiltrating ductal carcinoma at age 47, and still competing in marathons and Ironman triathalons 31 years later.
For easy knowledge, I'd point her to the hundreds of videos on cancer and on dietary interventions at NutritionFacts.
There's this guy Mark McCarty who is a bit like me, but he's been scouring the research literature broadly for 30 years and is now affiliated with a Tijuana cancer treatment center (yes, I know how that sounds). I think his book on integrative cancer treatment, especially the sections on nutraceuticals, is worth the read.
I have been collecting a bunch of research papers for my own reading for a while. I would recommend the sections on breast cancer, IGF-I and cancer, methionine restriction, and maybe the diabetic drug Metformin for starters. Drill down in plant studies and there's a metric shit ton of articles on antiproliferative effects of particular veggies.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:59 (5 days ago) Permalink
Seriously, Ruth Heidrich is some kind of hero, got a PhD in nutrition after her diagnosis, and her daily diet is austere, spartan, but every element makes sense.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:13 (5 days ago) Permalink
There are evidence-based alternative cancer therapies, and then there's Ger$on. Can't say I predisposed to embrace a protocol including injections of raw calf liver.
Two videos that may please those in favor of evidence-based integrative medicine, or with an aversion to mother-in-laws.G Therapy for CancerG Therapy vs. Chemotherapy
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:41 (5 days ago) Permalink
the raw liver injections aren't used anymore.
and dude: I like you, I like your research, you bring good depth to any discussion...but the mother in law crack was crass & in poor taste. and that's me being polite & restrained.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:46 (5 days ago) Permalink
My apologies. It's late here, the bottle is empty, and MILs are common comedy fodder. It was inconsiderate, and I probably shouldn't attempt comedy in my state.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:05 (5 days ago) Permalink
thank you
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:09 (5 days ago) Permalink
There is a very interesting question of how one can bring any levity to discussions of physiology. At root, we learn that we are awesomely complicated machines, which is in itself potentially a rather depressing thought. I wonder if La Mettrie was welcome in the parlors of Paris, Leiden or Berlin. Probably not the conversation for this thread or time.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:24 (5 days ago) Permalink
Sanpaku, thank you very much for gathering all of this together. I really appreciate it a lot, especially that link to the papers. I'll be watching it and learning before deciding how to respond properly to my friend. What I'll be looking out for is what the evidence says about cancers that don't seem to be highly aggressive. I just got a second email from her that says hers is 'slow', and partly benign/calcified, but I don't know to what extent has actually metastasized in the lymphatic system - it's in there, but there is a specific test that seems to be able to tell you something about the chances of the lymph system allowing the establishment of the cancer elsewhere. I don't know what the results of that were.
VG, that's a very interesting and positive story - long may things continue as they are for your MIL! I sent my friend a holding reply that said: this scares me a lot, and yet I see what you are saying and I know there are no guarantees with chemo and surgery, and I will do some research myself. (I am cheating with Sanpaku's help). That's the most honest thing I can say. When I've read more I'll say more about the most positive evidence I can find. If I find things that cause me to ask myself whether this approach really fits her specific situation, maybe I'll say something about that too. It depends how strongly I think it would contribute to the research picture she herself is trying to build.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 11:56 (5 days ago) Permalink
ljubjana, I'd also like to point you to Mark McCarty's magnum opus so far: Low-Fat, Low-Salt, Whole-Food Vegan: Staying Lean and Healthy into Ripe Old Age, where he puts everything together in 218 pages and 1100 references - one of the best guides to a health promoting lifestyle you'll find anywhere, and its free. The 35 page section on cancer prevention neatly summarizes the IGF-I/cancer story better than I've seen anywhere else.
My other nutritional guru of late is Vincent Giuliano, who may yet convince me to supplement more extensively. Search his Anti-Aging Firewalls blog for "cancer" and you'll find some very up-to date summations of current research on foods and supplements with antiproliferative effects.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Saturday, 18 May 2013 03:40 (4 days ago) Permalink
Thanks Sanpaku.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:05 (4 days ago) Permalink