i don't deserve to be starting this thread but it's almost springtime and you are all clearly eating bad foods in 2012
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
i have eaten three easter eggs in the past 48 hours
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
is that candy?
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
i resolve not to eat out this week except for friday lunch at work (and i will NOT eat french fries at friday lunch)i just went shopping and was hungry so i got a buttload of vegetables and spent way too much moneys
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
i go to whole foods for lunch like every day and i end up spending a fortune, not on lunch but on picking up things here and there for the house (yesterday, for example: kale, some fish to make for dinner, coffee). my plan has been to make salads only from the section of raw vegetables (no hot food or prepared salads). my store has been great lately with adding kale, chard, arugula, fennel, etc. on the non-dressed, raw portion of the bar. i think their sliced grilled chicken is too salty but there's not a lot of good protein options. they have hardboiled eggs but i think i eat enough eggs as it is and don't really want to add more to my diet.
i need to a) pack lunch more often, b) get a rack and some pannier bags for my bike so that when i ride to work i can take lunch (as is it is not practical to put salad in a backpack)
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
I bought a bunch of vegetables last week and I am perpetually worried that they will go bad why because I am just one person!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
I need to do a lot better with breakfast and should also have a decent lunch stashed away at work so I don't succumb to crap when fail to pack a lunch in the morning.
Also need to stop eating the same size dinner portions as my 6'1", 170 lb, 20-mile-a-week-running husband. Unless of course I too would like to reach 170 lb, which would be unhealthy for my height/frame, not to mention NAGL.
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
when I was home a week ago my mom brought home some leftovers from a catered event at work, it was this salad w/ nice lettuce and spinach greens and dried cranberries and walnuts, w/ some kind of vinaigrette, it was really nice, gave me some salad ideas
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
i think i eat too many calories at breakfast but it's really important for me not to get too hungry in the morning because i need brain function and have no time to eat a snack before lunch. i am good at bringing lunch. tza i have some glass food containers that seal very well and would allow you to put salad in a backpack. i got a few of them at target, they are anchor brand with a lid that you can push down on to create a vacuum that holds the lid on tight. but maybe you are talking about some other reason you can't put salad in a backpack.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
Mostly bc not enough room but also fear of spillage
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
they should make a special pannier with a lining so you can just make the salad inside the pannier. i'm literally lolling at this idea.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
the other pannier could be a salad spinner powered by your rear wheel so that you can wash the salad before work and have it dry by the time you get to work
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
this could be like a new cinco product on tim&eric
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
T, I put the raw veg, chopped up but undressed, in a tupperware or take-out container, and put the dressing (home-made whatever) in those little condiment cups you get with commercial salads or DUMPLINGS! or w/e. Dress @ work. Solved!
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
― tehresa, Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:32 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Instead of Easter baskets in England they do these giant chocolate easter eggs that and then usually filled with lots of little smaller chocs so basically what Thomp is saying is that he's eaten a shitload of chocolate today.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
Sometimes when I'm lazy/late in the morning, I just throw whole veg into a grocery bag and do the washing and slicing and dicing in the office kitchen.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
I have done that too, Laurel. It really saves time in the am.
I am sick and subsequently eating like crap and just laying on the couch. It's not good. :/
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Yes tupperware is great and I'd never pre-dress. seriously I just have a backpack that barely fits my work clothes and shoes and spare tube etc. panniers would help!
This post written on elliptical machine lol!
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
made split peas soup Wednesday and ate it for three nights. except for one lunch of chicken been sticking to vegetarian this week. that will end in ribs 2nite. asparagus is 1.99 a lb, bought two pounds
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
ah man the asparagus I bought a week ago had started drying out, that's what I'm worried about, I will be having asparagus tonight as well
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
also like half of my onions sprouted :(
it just made me sad because I keep my onions in the dark so the sprouts were sickly yellow, I would feel better if they were a healthy robust green, grow strong you little warriors
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
haha, leaving things like onions and potatoes alone in a cupboard, forgotten, can get scary
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
an alternate salad-transport idea:
http://wellvegan.com/salad/salad-in-a-jar
(haven't tried it tho)
― JuliaA, Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
If you store them like flowers, upright in a dish of water, w/a plastic bag over it, it lasts much longer!
http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20110525-food-lab-asparagus-09.jpg
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
i had an onion that sprouted and i've just been leaving it on the shelf to see how much it will grow. it's like 14 inches now. i'm gross.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
I am going to put the onions out by where it can feel some sun
if I am feeling mischievous I will even put them in my neighbor's yard!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
that is a pro tip, abbbottt!
Do you want another pro tip about making onions sprout on purpose? If you cut up green onions/scallions, save the little rooty bulbs. If you put them in a glass of water they will resurrect (takes over a week) and you have a second round of green onions FOR FREE.
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://moneysavingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DSCN51081.jpg
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
oh man I bought an overabundance of green onions last week. I first bought a bunch from the normal supermarket for .50 because they looked good. then when I went to the chinese market they were selling them 3 for a dollar.
I was pleased to see that my last bunch of green onions, they would grow in the fridge after I had chopped them. it was, indeed, like you said, two for the price of one!
I don't know what to do with all my green onions though. I added some to the guac I made today.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
whoa do Americans not have easter eggs? this is blowing my mind
yes, an Easter egg is a hollow chocolate egg I guess 5"-7" tall and usually containing/bundled with bags of smaller chocolates, chocolate bars, etc
will def be trying the spring onion trick, I always get grumpy buying them because the shop sells them in bundles of like 10 and I only want maybe 2 or 3 (and even that will involve putting a great excess of onion into something and having horrible oniony sweat for the next 2 days </tmi>) and then they'll go off, and then I'll buy another 10 in two weeks
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I don't use green onions all that often; regrow time is abut the time I want to use them again.
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
do you completely submerge the bulbs or leave the top in the air or does it not matter? do you need to change the water ever?
(sorry if i am being overthinking cat)
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
Nope, not in the way that you guys do. We get baskets filled with jelly beans and small chocolate Easter eggs and bunnies and stuff but we don't get the big eggs in a box like you do. TBH I think our baskets are better than your eggs cause we usually get more stuff but we don't get Good Friday or Easter Monday off so you guys probably win Easter in the end. ;) One time I wanted to make Spiralli and Easter basket so went all over looking for one and couldn't find anything even close so I bought a bucket and was going to make him and Easter bucket but then I left it all on the tube. :(
Also, I would like a big Crunchie egg now.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
w/the onions I let their little decapitated necks stick out of the water, and I add more water as it evaps/gets used, works for meI have them in a stemless wine glass
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
This is the sort of thing we get as kids. Mostly chocolates and treats but sometimes they have small toys and stuff in them too.
http://praisecleveland.com/files/2011/04/easter-baskets-for-children-girls.jpg
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
Abbott otm re asaparagus storage. It should be stored like that in the supermarket too tbh and if it isn't and the bottoms are all dried out that's a bad thing.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
asparagus, rather
I always get grumpy buying them because the shop sells them in bundles of like 10 and I only want maybe 2 or 3
SO TRUE
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
It's kind of like Christmas on a smaller scale and with more chocolate.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
Easter, that is.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty much, yeah.
Oh and the baskets are hidden by the bunny so you to go looking for them when you get up. That was always my favorite part.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
Humpty Dumpty chocolate egg filled with smarties = Easter
I can't really get down with the baskets and weird colored eggs. Also hunting for eggs that aren't chocolate seems somehow wrong, lol.
Anyhow NNs I have been struggling with snacks. I have Lara bars, raw trail mix of raisins/almonds/seeds/etc, whatever fruit is in season but my problem is I get BORED eating the same things! Suggestions? Meals I'm okay with. It's the between times where I get a little crazy.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
guys i feel like hitler but don't post about easter candy on this thread or i will have you transported to a camp
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
i like larabars, i also like to eat an orange and a square of dark chocolate for snax or a nonfat yogurt
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
does anyone know if 100% buckwheat soba noodles exist? i was at the chinese store looking at 5 different brands of soba noodles and all of them have the first ingredient "wheat." i don't care too much though.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
they do but it's usually a japanese product
I used to be able to recognize the kanji for them but alas I have forgotten
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeaaaaah wikipedia
The most famous Japanese soba noodles come from Nagano. Soba from Nagano is called Shinano Soba or Shinshu soba. Ni-hachi (二八, two-eight) soba, consists of two parts of wheat and eight of buckwheat; Juuwari (十割, 100%) soba, the finest (and usually most expensive) variety, consists entirely of buckwheat.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
i got a package of them but i'll check h-mart after i use them up. i think soba noodle salad with dry-fried tofu and peanut sauce and vegetables would be a good cold work lunch.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
I bought some packages of weird noodles at the asian market - oat, buckwheat, some other kinds. they always end up really clammy. I think I am forgetting to wash them like it says here
http://www.justhungry.com/basics-cold-soba-noodles-dipping-sauce
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
they had mung bean noodles at the store but a primary ingredient was corn starch
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
mung beans are a great bean I love mung bean soup
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
i love those mung bean popsicle things and i have a cookbook called "silk road cooking" that has a mung bean salad in it that is good
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
i have Roland 100% Oraganic Buckwheat soba noodles sitting around (first ingredient listed is wheat flo_ur)
drinking wine right now so I won't be soba for long
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
budum tish
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
So far I have a lot of fruit and veg today, albeit dressed veg. Jesus H that WF raw kale with garlicky dressing is GARLICKY. Good, but whoa not gonna eat that on a work day.
Tonight I will eat tacos with some grilled skirt steak and veg while spouse eats a 64 ounce ribeye. I have seen him eat upwards of 70 oz, he is like a caveman with a fresh kill.
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
Snax ideas:
Hummus or other bean dip with vegGazpachoAnts on log! Or banana with peanut butterSome people would say string cheese but fuck that, if I'm gonna eat cheese it is going to be awesome cheeseEdamameGoddamn yogurt
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
I will take a small portion of salted almonds and some bell peppers/carrots to work for snax. I'm probably the most crunchingest person in my general cubicle vicinity. Sorry, neighbors!
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
I used to snack on bell peppers but the acidity was killing my teeth
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
I should keep the almonds at work to small portions too. I have a huge bag of them in my desk and when. I get really hungry, god knows how many calories I get through.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
I had to start putting the almonds in a little cup with a screw-on top like you'd use for a baby's cheerios. Otherwise, seriously.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
I like prunes. Not too many prunes.
― quincie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
I tried almonds in the shell in the hope that shelling them would slow me down. Haha, NO.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I've mawed through a ton of trail mix bc I haven't been portioning. Tiny tupperware is a good idea
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
orange + dark choc sounds yumlove carrots & bell peppershate string cheese :(
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
I'm going to make a seafood and tomato & garlic & pepper sauce that is low-fat and dairy-free AND extremely tasty. Then I'm going to put it over a pile of pasta. :/
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
I've thought about it and I don't think carbs are *that* bad. you need to get your calorie count up somehow if you're a veg
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
I mean the answer can't always just be "eat fresh fruit" !
^Yum xxpost
i bought some cheese last week that i thought was sharp cheddar. i didn't read the fine print where it says that it was a processed cheese product. omg was it terrible. i figured i could salvage it by melting on corn chips. IT DIDN'T MELT, just kinda got harder and brown.
DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
lotta stuff on sale 2day at the grocery store
fresh pasta, salmon, strawberries. i couldn't decide so i bought worcestershire sauce.
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
mealz:
in school, the chef/instructor brought in some wheat berries and dried cherries and i made a middle-eastern salad with them, including lemon and orange zest, raisins, leeks, and fresh mint. really nice, light, simple. had some wheat berries left over and used them in a a second salad with cucumber and feta.
last night i made a stir-fry with broccoli florets, thinly sliced yams, and diced granny smith apple -- tossed in some "soy vay" brand hoisin garlic sauce. when i'm feeling more ambitious, i'll make my own sauce that's less sweet.
tonight i might do something with collard greens? we have a produce box we're trying to use up.
― the dried stigmas of the saffron crocus (get bent), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
ahem actually i was saying that i have eaten a shitload of chocolate both today and yesterday
earlier i said something like "no, i'm going to go and buy some chips to stop myself eating another easter egg" and then i heard myself and went OH MY GOD I AM A FAT PERSON. and then i ate about a pound of fried potatoes.
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
and now i am going to eat another easter egg.
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:37 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
– my CSA share for the spring starts back up tomorrow; stoked– I tried going full on China Study no anything last week and had an emotional breakdown and then reunited myself with cheese and wine
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
Jesus H that WF raw kale with garlicky dressing is GARLICKY. Good, but whoa not gonna eat that on a work day.v true! i have learned to only eat this at home, which is why i was so excited when my wf started putting out plain, undressed raw kale. previously the only kale avail was the garlicky kind.
bent, i love wheat berries! i make salads like that all the time.
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
do you have to cook wheat berries?
― brownie, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
yes
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/9FcPA.jpg
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 10 March 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
lol I was thinking the same thing, dayo
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 March 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago) link
I am making collard greens tonight. Braised w/ red onions & cider vinegar, sans bacon.
(I will not talk abt the spareribs or cornbread :/)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 March 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago) link
My dietician said I shouldn't eat yoghurt as a meal. The sugar spike (???) is high but goes down quickly. ARGH! I am addicted to it. I can't just give it up!
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Sunday, 11 March 2012 10:33 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure about yogurt glycemic spikes but if you want less sugar in your yogurt a lot of the greek ones have fewer grams than other styles.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
just to dial it back a little to the spring onion discussion, maybe i can consult you onion pros for advice; other than the very tip of the bulb, which you cut off, i always use the white end, up the stem until it loses structural integrity/no longer produces round spring-onion-segments. do you guys work from the top? i heard it was a flavour thing, and it's one of those received wisdom things i've never challenged (cf don't put all the stock into the risotto at once, &c)
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
I work from the top!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
i always do what you do, schlump! if i am doing a stir fry i will throw in more of the green end because that part is great wilted in hot dishes. i generally stop using it where it goes lame but if the green parts are still firm/thick, i throw em in.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
I also use the schlump/tehresa technique, but will try the Abbott trick!
Ate pretty nutritiously yesterday, albeit too much. Also snuck in bites of mac&cheese, mashed potatoes, and juicy ribeye--but did not make a meal of these, so yay me.
Failed to get exercise or visit that gym I am thinking about joining. Today, these will happen!
― quincie, Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
Oh and I ordered a new bike saddle so I will no longer use ass pain as an excuse not to bike. Now I will just use fear of dying as an excuse not to bike.
― quincie, Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
that reminds me i need to buy add'l bike shorts/pants.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
i am considering joining gym near me when it gets hot so i can't use heat as an excuse not to exercise like i did last summer. last summer was really hot!
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
I've fallen far from the Nazi bandwagon . . . been trying to get back on slowly by just cooking my own meals . . . they don't have to be healthy . . . I just have to make them myself. Soon I will transition into making healthy food.
Last night I ate baby octopus for the first time at a Korean restaurant (it was chewy!). My culinary goal for the next month is to eat more octopus.
― Virginia Plain, Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
was it the live kind?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
vp you should go to uncle nick's over in hell's kitchen/west side and have their grilled baby octopus because it is SO SO SO good.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
It wasn't the live kind . . . I asked the waitress if she recommended the sashimi or the stir-fry and she recommended the stir-fry. I'm not sure about Sik Gaek--the restaurant is so cute and fun but I'm not sold on their food.
I've never tried Uncle Nick's--thanks for the rec. I'm going to Spain at the end of the month so I am looking forward to eating more pulpo.
― Virginia Plain, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
this is not really nn bc dairy, flour, etc. but this morning i am making a modified version of a ricotta pancake recipe using nonfat ricotta. i calculated the nutrition and it ends up being a 15g protein serving of pancakes, for 211 calories, which i think is not so bad.
― tehresa, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
i made a chocolate cake yesterday with zucchini, is that nn?? probably not bc it was loaded with flour/sugar/oil but at least it contained veggies. and it was a really good cake! i don't usually like cake.
― just1n3, Sunday, 11 March 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
you both need to come over to my house and make me chocolate zucchini bread and ricotta pancakes.
― love this song! :) especially his hair (get bent), Sunday, 11 March 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
yesterday's nutritious eating tempered by moderate amounts of bacon and cream cheese. consumed much olive oil, which I guess is NN--but not in the amounts in which I consumed it!
also realized that I do not need to join a gym, I just have to work in the garden every day until it becomes too hot to deal.
― quincie, Monday, 12 March 2012 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
i think the potential plus of bonus-spring-onions maybe trumps the additional flavourgain of using the most potent parts, for me; my palette is not so great, maybe i should switch
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Monday, 12 March 2012 12:27 (twelve years ago) link
I made a lasagna yesterday with zucchini in place of pasta. Ground turkey, spinach, mushrooms, onions, shredded carrots and a 1/3 of a cabbage. It's yummy! Can't wait for lunch.
One great green onion discovery of late in my house is the addition of a handful of chopped green onion to my breadmaker. Makes every bread better, mmmm.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 12 March 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
Oh I make a really good noodleless lasagne using zucchini too!
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 12 March 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
So good! I'm addicted. Also made a curried bulgur, cous cous and ourzo salad earlier this week.. I need some wheat berries in my life. Munching on seedless grapes and a few pieces of cheddar at the moment, dreaming of lunch.. I enjoy green smoothies for breakfast but it doesn't fill me up enough.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 12 March 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
Oops just ate a bacon cheese burger and fries how the hell did that happen idgi
― quincie, Monday, 12 March 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
update: sprouted onions I placed on windsill have turned a nice and healthy green
― flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
Low carb intentions undermined by massive bar of Hotel Chocolat chocolate brought by visitors
― ljubljana, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I am a nutrition nazi again, because of my diet. Every day I need to eat
~ 1300 calories< 41 grams fat~ 160 grams carbs~ 25 fiber~ 26 grams grams protein
I am really good at getting fiber and protein nice and high, and keeping carbs and bad fats low but ... then ... I end the day with an extra 250 calories I need to eat and what else is there? more fiber makes me constipated (yes, it's a thing), more protein usually just means an egg and a lot of dietary cholesterol, and more yogurt is too many carbs. So what do I eat? NNers, pls to help me.
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
why did i not know this about green onions until now
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
eat some nuts! if you are not allergic to nuts! or nut butter. or just butter.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
almond butter ftw
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
sometimes i mix a tbsp or two of almond butter with (organic, non-sulfite, unsweetened) shredded coconut and a bit of agave syrup. it is good.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
i made some really delicious mung dahl tonight! with brown basmati rice. not super NN as far as carbs go, but i'm always amazed at how mung beans don't bother my digestive system like all other lentils/beans do. it's great.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
Is there a green onIon shortage I'm not aware of? You are all quite ingenious!
Eating: bulghur, chick peas, and feta salad with green onions. Chopped the whole bunch so I cannot resprout.
― Virginia Plain, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago) link
xp remy may i suggest you make these chocolate-cherry-chili-walnut-sea salt-black bean cookies? sure, they have sugar and oil, but they also have BEANS
http://vegantester.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/black-bean-cookies-info.png
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
rrrobyn do you have a recipe for mung dahl? lentils give me awful bowel probs, would love an alternative.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago) link
rrobyn, i should buy some good peanut butter. i have pb2 (defatted peanut butter – http://bellplantation.com/ ) but i do not have REAL PEANUTS and they sound so, so good.justine, those look delic. i crave cookies lately, and i've been staving off w/ dried apricots but... i might make an exception for those. i wonder if they will be very beany?
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
Ooh Justine I want to make those! They look gooood.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
so this is probably tmi and maybe not a nn question but lately whatever i eat for lunch (usually salad with lots of dark greens and veg and some chicken) or dinner (wide range of foods) makes my stomach extremely noisy. however, today i had sushi for lunch, and there was no noise. what does it mean!?
― tehresa, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago) link
teh, i have been w/ a similar issue lately. i am wondering about two culprits: sugar free gum, and seltzer water. perhaps?
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
i drink a ton of seltzer. but not at work/during the day, so i don't know how it'd connect to lunchtime (i can't see this being a problem that would occur when not consuming the bubbles).
― tehresa, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago) link
remy, the thing is that YOU TOTALLY CAN'T TASTE THE BEANS!!! ikr it's totally crazy and i had to make them to believe it, and if there was even a mere whiff of a hint of microscopic taste of bean, i would know bc i am super fussy and complainy about food. but these are so good, my fav cookie actually. they aren't sweet really, they are very fudgey, and they benefit from a night in the fridge before eating. i don't think the original recipe mentions walnuts but DON'T skip them, they are so good.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
they taste v v rich and decadent but while they are fairly calorie dense at around 250, they are also reasonably nutritious bc of the beans and cocoa and coconut. oh and def only used unrefined coconut oil, they don't taste right with the refined stuff.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
i made a 'tangled thai salad' for dinner that was mostly nn. pretty tasty.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
You guys know about black bean brownies, right?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
the cookie recipe is basically a brownie recipe, just made into cookies imo - you practically have to eat them with a fork bc they fall apart so easily.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
the mung dahl i make is pretty basic - i use 1 cup of whole mung beans rinsed and soaked for several hours (or the quick way, simmer them for an hour or so), then fry some onion with garlic and ginger and curry powder, cumin, tumeric, cayenne maybe - then add beans plus 2-4 cups of water (depends on how well soaked/boiled the beans are already from the pre-soaking/boiling), bring to boil, then lower and let simmer until dahl-like goodness ensues. add salt. serve on top of basmati rice, with chutney of choice or not! this makes a lot of dahl btw.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
the bonus of those cookies is the lack of flour. lots of trendy black bean baked goods still have lots of flour and stuff which kind of negates the healthy-ish aspect.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
The black bean brownie thing is that if you're feeling lazy but want something warm and chocolaty and maybe not horrendously bad for you, you can just mix a box of any kind of brownie mix (reg, no pudge, natural - whatever) with a can of black beans and forget all the other stuff it tells you to add like eggs or oil. Just one can of black beans. Bake as per the directions and you get gooey delicious brownies that taste nothing like beans.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:54 (twelve years ago) link
a friend makes black bean brownies. i can taste the beans... but they are good anyway, in their way - but yeah, they have flour in them anyway and sugar, so i'm like, why not just make regular brownies? anyway, my NN way doesn't include beans (except mung) - and that includes peanuts and peanut butter. exception being certain burritos found in california! because the super long soaking/cooking of burrito black beans does something magically digestive to them!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
I have only made the bean brownies 2x but they were good although I think I'm sort of with you on the why not just make brownies thing. After I while I sort of thought I could taste the beans a little bit but then figured that's because I was thinking about it too hard maybe.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link
probably not enough cocoa?
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
i think have all the ingredients to make those cookies right now...
3 days this week, lunch = kale saladtoday, lunch = almonds, green tea
Sigh.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Taubes
do u nazis have opinions about this guy?
― goole, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
Taube's argument that refined carbs are responsible (through acquired insulin resistance) for the modern obesity epidemic is close to, but IMHO misses the mark and could lead to worse outcomes than mere obesity. The "energy balance" 1st law of dieting Taube's rejects remains true (you can eat a restricted diet of Twinkies and lose weight) but there's definitely a kernel of truth that the moderned refined/processed food diet is awful. Dr. Lustig in Sugar: The Bitter Truth has a cogent (and IMO, better) argument that its the high consumption of fructose (in HFCS, but also table sugar and fruit juice) leads to de novo lipogenesis and interferes with normal appetite satiation through the leptin hormone path.
On the other hand, there are plenty of cultures that historically eaten plenty of starches like white bread, rice & potatoes and remain thin with little vascular disease and lower cancer incidence (though they tend to suffer from diseases of poverty from poor sanitation and lack of micronutrients). In one an interesting (though dated) study, mildly overweight men lost 19 lbs in 8 weeks after adding 12 slices of white bread to their daily diet - I've seen other studies like this and it suggests that while white flour is a pretty empty calorie, its clearly is displacing worse culprits. Basically, starch is pretty innocuous as empty calories go.
My main concern with Taubes is not so much that his conclusion that refined carbs are the smoking gun is wrong, but that his argument used to support high-protein / high-saturated fat diets like Atkins that have clear negative consequences for long term health. Micheal Pollan's summary "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." remains a succinct summary of the science.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
sanpaku people usually say this with derision but i am 100% not kidding: do you have a newsletter i could subscribe to?
― goole, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
Sanpaku Weekly Digest!
― Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
this is the view I subscribe to so I can continue to eat pasta and rice
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
I have no special expertise but i have been coping with a (very) minor skin condition with no known cure that i hypothesize has something to do with diet and nutrition. so i've tried a lot of different approaches. unfortunately the one that seems most successful is also by far the hardest (for me anyway): the "raw food" diet.
― ryan, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
my sister in law has been diagnosed with MS and a modified raw food diet seems to have helped her control some of her symptoms to an extent.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
update: my sprouting onions look quite green and healthy
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 16 March 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
can you do the green onion thing forever? like is there a point where they just give up?
― are chads electorate (brownie), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
no they are perpetual onions
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
but only if you buy the variety 'evergreen onions'
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
make your green onions sprout forever using this one weird trick
the green onionhood forever
― catbus otm (gbx), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
down with deciduous onions
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 March 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago) link
it's like basil plants, right. they tell you it can't re-spawn but you can keep it going on a kinda lower-energy cycle for a while, growing smaller leaves.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Saturday, 17 March 2012 10:41 (twelve years ago) link
I planted green onions from seed yesterday, but will also try the sprouting thing with some stuff I have in the fridge.
Currently on the stove: soup with homemade chicken stock along with onion, carrot, celery, orange pepper, tomato, cabbage, and kale. Oh and just a tiny bit (one slice) of bacon. Also garbanzo beans, gonna chuck some macaroni in there as well.
NN question: are corn tortillas considered wholep-grain? Also, is pho NN? 'Cause if pho is wrong, I don't want to be right.
― quincie, Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Just don't drink the broth like a crazy westerner. Pho is high calorie, but pretty not bad
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
Just don't drink the best part? Have you met me?
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
the broth is crazy sodium-y, no?
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
drink more water
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
instead of drinking eight glasses of pho broth a day? whatevs.
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Sunday, 18 March 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 March 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
my sprouted green onions have grown a lot! who knew they had it in them? they are champs. I feel like a proud parent.
I'm afraid to strip away the onion skin to see what my sprouted onions look like. feels like a dorian gray situation.
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sucking at NNing, but hey the garden is on its way so better times ahead I think. Planted green onions from seed, they have sprouted!
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
Went to a Vegan diner/bakery for brunch. Cookies are find for you if they're vegan, right? RIGHT?!
:/
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
Absolutely! Just like you can eat as much guacamole as you can possibly put down because avocados=sooooo good for you!
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
OK, good. I'm glad we're on the same page about this.
It was so good though and except for the cookies and fries (whoops) sort of NN. I had scrambled eggs and homemade seitan chorizo. It was amazing.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
sugars about the only bad thing I can think of
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
How do you prounounce seitan? I always say "say-tan" (think spray tan) but have never been sure if that's correct.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
Obv I had eggs so the diner part was veg not vegan but the bakery was all vegan, I think. This place was SO GOOD.
I also do the spray tan pronunciation, based on vegan friends who say it that way!
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
that is correct i think
― catbus otm (gbx), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
:)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
In non-NN, non-vegan news, I am dining frenchie tonight and will probably have bone marrow if on the menu
― quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
My dad loves marrow. I've never had it. Hope your meal is yummy :)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
sweet potato fries count, right? I ate a LOT of them :/
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
i've been going meatless during the week. on the weekends i've been meat crazy but yesterday was only bbq chicken and tonight cooking with pork necks. my plan now is one meat dinner per week, oh god that rib eye with Szechuan sauce at the local Japanese place here i come next Wednesday.
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ "Szechuan sauce at the local Japanese place"
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
its' actually an ~Asian fusion~ restaurant
it's pretty heavy on japanese cuisine
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
i just hate the word fusion tho
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
also, i'm culturally ignorant
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
haha I was just teasing the restaurant
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
I am amused by pan-asian restaurants in general
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
i need my rib eye with sauce so any Port Arthur in a storm
― brownie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
there's a place around here that does pho, bibimbap, sushi, lo mein
you get a free bubble tea if you spend $10 or more
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
You can use steamed cabbage for ssam. My mother serves it with miso instead of red pepper paste. I prefer it with pickled vegetables. I bought a head of red cabbage this past week. I think red cabbage might also work for ssam (with pickled vegetables). I had it steamed hot, steamed cold, raw shredded with carrots, and raw pieces from the head. It stains your fingers! If my brother ever opens or works in a fusion restaurant, I hope there will be more to the fusion than dipping sauces ... But I don't think he will.
― youn, Sunday, 25 March 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
Costco has Wild Plant Sardines in olive oil 6 for 9.99, sorry if this is old news, haven't been in a while.
― svend, Monday, 26 March 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
I've been doing Abb's spring onions in water re-grow thing, it worked! but, after only growing about 3 inches of new green, the bulb/root end turned into a mushy pulp and it died?
Also, it smells VERY oniony :/
― zooey bechamel (Trayce), Monday, 26 March 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
on this again
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
my bf has joined in a weight loss study through a local hospital, 2 years long, with a cognitive-behavioral emphasis. he's been at for like 5 or 6 weeks and has already dropped 15 lbs. i started preparing healthy meals for us at the outset and i'm just getting on board now with the calorie counting, which is both challenging & illuminating.
i'm on the 4th day of restricting my intake to 1600 cal per day, with some allowance for more on days i exercise. i'm really hungry right now.
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
i got an app to see how my calorie intake is (and protein, carbs etc), and its kinda much lower than i thought
breakfast: 461 calories (muesli, yoghurt, strawberries)lunch: 254 calories (canned tuna, a yam, baby leaf salad)dinner: 920 calories (butternut squash, mackerel, onion, tomato, avocado, asparagus, okra)
other: 300 carrot/celery/spinach (juiced), banana
only comes to 1930 - didnt feel hungry
over on saturated fat and sodium, thats the mackerel - should have got tinned not smoked
― coal, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
I got a Fitbit! And god help me, I'm going to Zumba tonight (first and possibly last time).
Oh sorry that is not nutrition. Better seasonal produce availability = easier NNing for me. Picking radishes, sugar snaps, snow peas, lettuces from the garden now.
― quincie, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
canned tuna, a yamthe mental image of someone eating tuna out of a can while gnawing on a yam is cracking me up.
― kate78, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
a yam, a plan, a can of tuna
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
haha i totally laughed when i read that too!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
i think it's also because, like ham, yam is a comedy word
and both are delicious
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
anyone have any thoughts on chia seeds?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
Not as healthy as flax.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hSBkaZ-aUA
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Saturday, 9 June 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
more expensive too iirc
― it's smdh time in America (will), Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
chia, that is
― it's smdh time in America (will), Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
bought a Vitamix at Costco!
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
eating paleo for 2 weeks now and it's really agreeing with me at this point.
― carne asada, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:20 (eleven years ago) link
expensive though
this isn't really the right thread for this but i have been doing boot camp 3 mornings a week and i feel good, and strong. also calorie counting and eating healthy. but I'm not making any progress weight wise. what to do???
― tehresa, Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
you very well may be changing the shape of your body in a positive way still. don't be discouraged by the numbers because that doesn't tell the whole story imo. just keep working at it
― carne asada, Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
yah don't worry about the weight piece tza, you are a champion
― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:20 (eleven years ago) link
if you feel stronger you probably are getting stronger, which will keep your weight pretty constant.
― goole, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:29 (eleven years ago) link
muscle weighs more than fat iirc
― un® (dayo), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:34 (eleven years ago) link
i know all that but laziness made me gain weight from my previous period of awesome and i would really like it to come back off. it's especially frustrating since the last time i was on a routine like this i lost weight much more easily. is this what happens when you get old?
― tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 12:02 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, yes it is.
― quincie, Friday, 22 June 2012 13:45 (eleven years ago) link
all you can say is lol bodies, don't blame it on yourself (and "laziness")
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 22 June 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
^^^
― JuliaA, Friday, 22 June 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
I'm trying to adopt a rather nostalgic attitude about my younger body, like "hey wasn't it so awesome to eat like that, and smoke and drink, and still rock crazy little bikinis and minis? Wasn't that something? Boy, those were the days!" The same attitude I have about those long-gone days of staying out all night, doing drugs, crushing on boys with guitars, etc. Fun then, NAGL now.
― quincie, Friday, 22 June 2012 13:52 (eleven years ago) link
staying foxy is another discussion entirely
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Friday, 22 June 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
Tza it totally sucks but it's true that aging effects that. It is way harder for me to lose weight now than it was when I was younger. I didn't want to admit it because most days I still feel 18 but age is definitely a factor.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 22 June 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
le sighhhhh
― tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
so on the plus side, this morning after boot camp (which, btw, i got up at 5:45 to attend on my day off!) i actually found myself wishing it'd been longer.
― tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20120626/all-calories-not-created-equal-study-suggests
kinda confirms what I've been suspecting lately!
I am pretty constant in the amount of food I eat from day to day but I def notice that on baking days, I tend to feel 'heavier' the next day, probably on account of all the brownies and cookie dough I sneak on the side ;~(
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
My whole foods now has health starts here salad dressings on the bar - no oil, lots of flavor!
― tehresa, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
it is a lot easier to not eat carbs during summer, i find. as long as i don't buy chips at the store. don't buy chips at the store. don't. buy. chips.what i have been eating for the saltiness factor is avocado with soy sauce on it. which is really satisfying! my stomach is much happier too. i don't even know why i started eating chips again. maybe because i was eating them while on vacation in april. eesh.
i firmly believe that study, especially for myself, as lowish-carb is great for me, but i also believe that people's bodies are different and handle different kinds of food differently. that is my non-committal answer.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
i was just thinking about this thread because i bought raspberries, strawberries and cherries at the store today and some ricotta to go with them! dessert meal
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
we have an (inadvertent) bag of chips in the house and it's just the best and the worst
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
anyway does anybody know what happens when you mix high GI and low GI foods? I read somewhere the overall effect is that of eating the equiv. of medium GI food. wondering if that's how asians avoid diabetes!
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i was talking to a friend last night who just got back from a couple of weeks visiting family and she said she'd forgotten how many people just have pantries stuffed with easy food like chips and crackers and granola bars, etc, food you don't have to do anything to, just take out of the bag/box and eat. i seriously have none of that food in my house (because nutrition nazi). unless fruit counts as easy food.
i totally had poutine and beer for dinner last night though. everything in moderation!xp
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
well, the rule i have learned is that if you're going to eat something like white rice, always eat it with protein, fat and fibre/vegetables. basically always eat carbs with protein at the very least, not alone. as a regular, non-athlete person.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that makes sense. who eats white rice by itself? jeez
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
i think some people just eat it with vegetables, no protein or fator yknow, pasta with tomato sauce, toast with jam, etc
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
I've been experimenting with green smoothies in my Vitamix but every time I include celery (in most green smoothie recipes), I don't like the taste. Too, uh, 'green.'
Thinking about ditching celery for extra spinach/kale, unless I'm missing something special about celery?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
celery has a punchy taste, I would ditch it and maybe add carrots instead?
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
okay that's not green, go with the extra spinach
Carrots would be good, I think. I'll try that next time.
been doing this lately:
bunch of spinachgreen apple or pearscoop of flax seedsscoop of unflavored whey proteincucumberwhatever else is around that sounds interesting
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
white (jasmine) rice is not even a little bad for you! i am chief of the brown rice patrol, but the health benefits of jasmine are basically equivalent to much of the brown that I eat, and it cooks more quickly and doesn't tend to overwhelm a lot of the delicate sauceys I make
― uncondensed milky way (remy bean), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
I pretty much only eat brown rice now -- I didn't know that jasmine was as beneficial!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah wow that's great. doubly so because it is the best white rice, imo.
― blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
what's good about it? i'm making brown jasmine right now.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
harbl, overachiever.
― quincie, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
Super interesting series of 3 short videos from Dr. Michael Greger's excellent nutritionfacts.org site about bacterial endotoxins & saturated fat. Its been known for a couple of decades that meals with saturated fat cause arterial inflammation, leading to cholesterol plaque deposition and thence heart attacks and strokes. Turns out the main culprit may not be the fat itself, but cooking resistant bacterial toxins in the meat/cheese that are transported through the intestinal wall in the presence of saturated fats:
1: The Leaky Gut Theory of Why Animal Products Cause Inflammation2: The Exogenous Endotoxin Theory3: Dead Meat Bacteria Endotoxemia
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/more-on-milk/http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/got-milk-you-dont-need-it/
mr bittman is becoming more and more of a NN by day
I've already quit milk but thinking about totally quitting cheeses + ice cream + dairy creamer too now
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
(Worth noting: they’re far more easily digested as yogurt or cheese than as fluid milk.)
oh good, sometimes people look at me like I am crazy when I tell them liquid milk gives me heartburn but cheese is no big deal. Not crazy!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
his argument for everyone reducing milk intake seems to be "some people are lactose intolerant".
i know there are serious arguments for everyone to reduce milk intake, but he doesn't make them. his argument is like saying we should stop telling people to walk to work because some people only have one leg.
hidden in there is what he's actually saying, and which all his own argument supports, which is "I do think that on the basis of what appears to be widespread experience anyone with chronic heartburn or any of the other ailments mentioned above would be missing an opportunity if he or she didn’t give a nondairy diet a shot."
― caek, Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:42 (eleven years ago) link
ban milk
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:45 (eleven years ago) link
I know that i feel p shitty after having coffee with creamer, al though I do feel a different kind of shitty drinking black coffee on an empty stomach
but w/ the way milk is marketed in the US and how being lactose intolerant makes you feel like you have a green horn growing from your school Im glad somebody is stepping up to fight big dairy!
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it sounds like there are historical milk issues at play over there
― caek, Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:48 (eleven years ago) link
"from your school" I meant 'from your head'
although it's not surprising that I associate milk w/ school, I was fed bags of milk from grades 1-12, it was the standard drink issued
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:49 (eleven years ago) link
although fwiw saying things like "1½ pounds by weight", which is *absolutely meaningless* but is clearly included to appal/shock, makes me think he's being deliberately misleading or doesn't know very much about nutrition
― caek, Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:49 (eleven years ago) link
note: i like his recipes
― caek, Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/kZFpV.jpg
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Thursday, 2 August 2012 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
I had only read 1/3 of the article when I posted before, the rest of the article was spot-on to my experience, except I hate going to doctors so I just googled & found that coffee with milk can be heartburny. I've noticed that milk with sugar added (I used to drink coffee with both) was what really got me. I switched to soy cream for my coffee and almond milk for smoothies and almost never get heartburn, unless I eat something REALLY cheesy or something like cheesecake/ice cream. But I avoid those 90% of the time.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 2 August 2012 13:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://silksoymilk.com/images/product/creamerOriginal.pngthank you for saving coffee
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 2 August 2012 13:03 (eleven years ago) link
Newly minted doctors in the U.S. typicaly don't get even the 25 hours of nutrition training recommended by the National Academy of Sciences, and what they do get is focused on acute deficiency syndromes. Ie, any curious layperson can learn more about nutrition than their physician's formal training with only a few weeks of study, much as any curious layperson can learn more about their particular disease than non-specialist physician might know with modest effort.
So its not terribly surprising that few people with potentially dairy related disorders don't receive the simple advice of trying a dairy-free diet for a few weeks.
This video lecture by John McDougall runs a bit long, but its a nice introduction to some of the health issues associated with dairy consumption. Nutritionfacts.org has 50+ better referenced short videos on current/recent research related to dairy.
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
my mom works at a hospital (not as a doctor) but hangs out with doctor friends. when she told them she had stopped drinking milk on my advice they looked at her as if she had a third eye
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:17 (eleven years ago) link
how many eyes does she have?
― caek, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
Ahem. ^^ ... few people with potentially dairy related disorders receive the simple advice ...
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:22 (eleven years ago) link
two, actually
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
I took a science-oriented nutrition 101 course when I was in community college. It met the criteria for one of my science credits, along with bio 101. When I tried to transfer that course to another school, I received a reply to the effect of "this institution does not accept transfers of weight-loss or physical education classes for course credit".
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/Horizon_20122013_Eat_Fast_and_Live_Longer/
lots of nn relevant stuff
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
at the suggestion of a coworker (who is very sarcastic and said "it changed my life") i read why we get fat by gary taubes. it says eat less carbs. now i don't know what to eat for breakfast because i am not eating bacon and eggs every day. really i am eating bacon on no days. guess i'll keep eating carbs. i need to buy a new blender so i can make kale drinks.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Saturday, 18 August 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
I'm dubious that "its the carbs". One need only look at early photography to recognize that a 50%-70% starch diet wasn't causing much obesity (the 19th century American diet was largely porridge, potatoes, whiskey, and bread). The same can be said of many developing nations.
Not the first or last time I've recommended this, but Robert.Lustig's Suger the bitter truth lecture really makes a compelling case that it's not the carbs, but the fructose.
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
ok
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
harbl why dont u eat some slow carbs in the morning like oatmeal u will feel full all morning without riding bloodsugar roller coaster
― dylannn, Thursday, 23 August 2012 07:41 (eleven years ago) link
but check how u feel after???????????? but r u carb sensitive? do u digest oatmeal okay?>
nocarb mornings are easy to get used to after about a week. protein+fat has more options than bacon and eggs too dude;
― dylannn, Thursday, 23 August 2012 07:44 (eleven years ago) link
also there are recipes for no grain oatmeal that are basically a mush of nuts + flax + cashew butter + almonds other nuts too pumpkin seeds. good replacement if u can't eat oats. NO GRAIN LIFESTYLE ONLY GRASS I EAT IS GRASSFED CATTLE.
― dylannn, Thursday, 23 August 2012 07:48 (eleven years ago) link
this week i have been eating one container of plain 2% greek yogurt, a serving of fruit, and a small handful of walnuts. i feel like it's been a huge improvement, i wasn't telling all my coworkers it was lunchtime at 11:20 like i usually do. i was still working after they started eating lunch! i was eating uncooked oatmeal, milk, fruit, and walnuts before.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 23 August 2012 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
actually i didn't get so hungry on the oats but i had to eat a lot. before that i would usually have either whole grain toast and a yogurt or 10-grain cereal and being hungry way before lunch was a thing all the time. i didn't eat any grains monday or tuesday but then i had some pita bread at dinner last night after some beers. i think i can get into the no grain lifestyle though.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 23 August 2012 12:50 (eleven years ago) link
I read some complicated article about why a lot of ppl get so hungry so quickly after breakfast, and why it's ok to not eat breakfast, but it was to do with hormones and insulin and I don't even know if it's reliable. But it made me feel better about not being a breakfast eater.
― just1n3, Thursday, 23 August 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
i never eat breakfast during the work week
― buzza, Thursday, 23 August 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
there's a variation on intermittent fasting that skips breakfast and pushes lunch late - so that if you have dinner by 8PM and lunch at 1PM, you're fasting 17 hours but sleeping for (presumably) almost half that.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 23 August 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
right that brand of IF is identified with that leangains guy nowadays at least with strength conditioning messageboard people
― dylannn, Friday, 24 August 2012 04:19 (eleven years ago) link
cool program because it's just so simple to follow and you immediately remove thinkijng about feeding yourself from most of the day's thoughtprocessing. but i think a lot of what he has to say might qualify as "broscience" and most of the benefit is just hard to eat calories over maint in a small window especially on lowcarb whole foods
― dylannn, Friday, 24 August 2012 04:22 (eleven years ago) link
coconut milk, yea or nay? it's obv fatty, but my research is conflicted about whether even a reduced fat version is good/bad.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:29 (eleven years ago) link
this is the wrong thread to say "it's delicious, fuck it" i guess
― syntax evasion (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:31 (eleven years ago) link
further research is suggesting yea
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:33 (eleven years ago) link
There aren't many good scientific studiess on dietary coconut milk or oil and human health. Some finds from pubmed:
Here's a fairly positive and likely biased review article, which primarily notes the antimicrobial and antioxidant benefits of coconut. But many of the reviewed articles are in vitro or for topical use, with few good human/animal dietary studies.
Coconut oil and palm oil increase HDL-C (good) cholesterol compared to lard
On the other hand:
High coconut oil diets without excess calories induce artherosclerosis in rabbits. There are actually quite a few studies in which rodent heart disease is induced by adding coconut oil to chow going back decades - it appears to be a standard experimental setup (here's another), with the experiments testing whether another nutrient can prevent deleterious effects.
Meals with coconut milk (Singaporean Nasi Lemak: rice cooked in coconut milk) are as bad for human endothelial function as an Egg McMuffin.
So, skim coconut milk may in fact be beneficial, but the fatty portion of whole coconut milk, despite the HDL elevation, appears as bad for your arteries as butter or lard.
― A guy who one-shots his coffee before it even cools down (Sanpaku), Saturday, 15 September 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
xxxp you're talking about actual coconut milk that comes in cans and not coconut milk beverage?
― fit and working again, Saturday, 15 September 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
Is it possible that in eating paleo-ish for a few solid months about a year ago, I set myself up to react to carbs more strongly than before? I liked eating paleo-ish, but I fell off the wagon. Before I started, I would get sugar spikes/crashes from carbs and get hungry very suddenly. Now, after the paleo-ish interlude, back on the carbs, this seems much worse. I get insanely, desperately hungry even more suddenly.
― ljubljana, Sunday, 23 September 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
Its plausible. If you were getting most of your fuel from ketosis it would naturally upregulate all the glucose transporters in glucose starved cells.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't think I was eating low-carb enough to enter ketosis (had tons of veg and fruit) but who knows, maybe I was... Or maybe I'm just eating even more carbs now than I was pre-paleo.
― ljubljana, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
I've read that insulin spikes can lead to increased appetite. Maybe that's what was going on.
― ryan, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
still not ready for full nn steez but solidly trying to eat healthy + less + better (also exercise wow)
today I learned that I like cottage cheese! mum used to eat it when she did weight watchers and ugh it was so watery and bland and slimy and gross I swore I would never eat it again
today = rice cakes & cottage cheese with some lemon pepper oh hi yum!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
(i didn't know where else to post)
Cottage cheese on baked potatoes is the best (not paleo I know...)
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
ooh i will try that
don't eat potatoes much these days but come wintertime that might be one to try
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
cut up cherry tomatoes and green pepper and add it to your cottage cheese
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
substitute cuke for the pepper if you don't like green pepper
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
! will try!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
prefer green pepper cooked vs raw: cukes otm tho
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
had free pizza for lunch, ugh
going with a smoothie and hard boiled eggs and spinach for dinner
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
I need to do some hardboiling of eggs tonight
damn I love hb eggs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
What do you eat them with hard-boiled? I should eat more eggs for breakfast but I tend to go for soft-boiled, but then I have to have toast.
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
soy sauce
― barthes simpson, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
yeah something salty
dash of salt or soy
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
I like them cold, on their own
maybe a bit of salt - if they're super yummy eggs then nothing
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
I have trouble with the texture of the runny yolk when they're soft-boiled, it kinda skeeves me out for some reason
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
Tbh I slice one medium-boiled egg and spread it on one bialy and salt it. It's not paleo, but it is delicious.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
soft boiled eggs are the best
― barthes simpson, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
I've never had a bialy. now I want one
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
x-post - You're not alone, VG. I can't stomach runny yolk at all. Runny yolk makes me feel sick.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
Bialys are really, REALLY good. They're small, and kind of sour like sourdough, and have a more doughy/chewy texture than a bagel or bread. I scrape the mushy onions out of the middles but some people love the onions, so if that's your thing....
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
I like bialys onions and all.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
I also personally find a bialy a reasonable portion size, kind of like an English muffin but denser, whereas a New York bagel is basically two meals at this point.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
I'll have to keep my eye out for them, I tend not to eat bagels because there's just too much
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
Never had them either, wanna try. Googling reveals one (1) place to buy them here.
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
googling reveals zero (0) places to buy in Sacto
;_;
but maybe I can get some next time I'm in San Francisco, so all is not lost
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
am going to try almond milk
any brand recommendations? I'm guessing unsweetened is the way to go?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Silk Pure Almond unsweetened!
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
Sweetened is still only like 60 cals per cup. Ytth likes the trader joe's stuff
― just1n3, Friday, 5 October 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
Unsweetened Almond Breeze is my usual purchase. The sweetened variety isn't that bad, but the unsweetened kind has more utility for creaming up savory soups, etc.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Friday, 5 October 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
I'm planning to use it in coffee and I don't really use sweetener at all so I figured unsweetened would be best
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
you can get unsweetened vanilla if it doesn't grab you.wanna throw out another vote for VANILLA RICE MILK, underappreciated substitute milk of the substitute milks, but sure try almond why not.
― unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
<3 I will bear that in mind schlump
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
The only veggie milk I can definitely vote against is the kind of soy milk sold fresh in Asian groceries. It really does taste like liquid edamane, which is just odd. Western soy milk is rather different, and way more palatable (to Westerners, at any rate).
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Friday, 5 October 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
western soy milk is undrinkable fwiw
― barthes simpson, Friday, 5 October 2012 23:37 (eleven years ago) link
1 head steamed cauli1 can white beansa little milk if neededa little tiny bit of butter (optional)plenty of salt of and pepperinto the food processor
= super tasty alternative to mashed potatoes
― just1n3, Saturday, 6 October 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
white beans are so good. they pair well with sage.
― ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Saturday, 6 October 2012 04:10 (eleven years ago) link
yah i made a vegan "ricotta" for a lasagne last week
― just1n3, Saturday, 6 October 2012 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
(with white beans, i mean)
almond milk latte this morning - pretty yum! (Silk unsweetened, thanks orbit)
it'll take some getting used to but it's definitely a nice change not feeling quite so sluggish. I think maybe I have some lactose issues that I'd never noticed before? idk. I love the smell of it, it's much more pleasant to drink than I expected.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 October 2012 01:40 (eleven years ago) link
It's actually good! It takes more of it to dilute coffee to an equivalent point compared to milk but that's more nutty goodness with extra calcium.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Sunday, 7 October 2012 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah the calcium boost is a nice bonus! I like that it's not as thin and nothing-tasting as nonfat milk
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 October 2012 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
It would be nice if they could cut the salt down in the almond milk, I think one cup has around 10 percent of your daily sodium.
― svend, Sunday, 7 October 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
I fixed that problem by increasing my daily sodium intake so it's a smaller percentage.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Sunday, 7 October 2012 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't found that to be an issue for me, my sodium intake's pretty low anyway
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 October 2012 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
made a ~healthy smoothie~ for breakfast today in lieu of coffee
as it turns out, I need coffeedrinking green tea rn, hoping to turn it around but oh brother, this was a little harder than I expected
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 October 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
smoothie was delicious tho! greek yogurt, spinach, strawberries, flax seed & a little almond milk to grease my sad blender
We made some really good vegan cannelloni the other week from tofu and spinach. So nice!
― Superphysical Resurrection (NickB), Monday, 8 October 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
i made this vegan alfredo tonight: http://www.mangiagioia.com/roasted-garlic-alfredo-with-asparagus--penne.html
it clearly doesn't have the cheesy richness of a real alfredo at all, but it does have a great creamy texture, and you could pump it up with nutritional yeast or galaxy brand rice-based parm. i also added smoked salt.
― just1n3, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 04:23 (eleven years ago) link
How much stevia should I use to replace half a cup of splenda in a recipe?
― ljubljana, Sunday, 14 October 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
i found this: http://www.cookingwithstevia.com/stevia_conversion_chart.html
and this:1 cup Sugar1 cup Sucralose24 packets Stevia Blend12 tsp. Spoonable Stevia Blend2.5 tsp. Stevia Extract Liquid1.5 tsp. PURE Stevia Extract Powder
― just1n3, Sunday, 14 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
I am crying at that Q, but:They recommend a 1:1 conversion but I typically use 2/3rds to 3/4s the amount of stevia when I'm using it to sweeten a pie for sugar-free friends.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 14 October 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
I usually use a little extra nutmeg and/or cardamom to compliment (? or mask?) the metallic unpleasantness of the stevia, but I've only ever used it in pies (usually pumpkin) and once in a sponge cake
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 14 October 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks J - I did Google but could only find conversions for sugar. I obviously didn't look hard enough! Flamboyant, I will report back on whether I can stand the taste - this is for muffins.
― ljubljana, Sunday, 14 October 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
I went and watched half of Sanpaku's recommended sugar vid. So it's my own damn fault if my muffins taste metallic from now on.
― ljubljana, Sunday, 14 October 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
Flax seed in the muffin overwhelmed the stevia: pretty good result. That was a 1-minute microwave low-carb muffin (!) - trying some cream cheese ones next.
― ljubljana, Monday, 15 October 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
Just pointing out that Dr. Lustig and other USF faculty did a 7-part followup for general audiences to Lustig's fructose lecture at http://www.uctv.tv/skinny-on-obesity/.
Also regarding low fructose baking, the page Cooking with Dextrose has some recipes. Dextrose is another name for glucose, ie the natural form of sugar in corn. A 50/50% compound with fructose is sucrose (table sugar) and a 45/55% solution with enzymatically produced fructose is HFCS. I'm not certain substituting dextrose for table sugar would be a net health positive as by definition it has a glycemic index of 100 (arguably bad for insulin resistance), but on the other hand its cheap and would be free of the issues that arise from fructose's liver metabolism that Dr. Lustig cites.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Monday, 15 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
can anyone tell me anything useful about maca powder? i saw it by the flax the other day and wondered what one does with it.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 15 October 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Mixes it in things that mask its horrible, horrible taste, mostly. :)
― cwkiii, Monday, 15 October 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
I can almost tolerate it mixed w/ vanilla-flavored greek yogurt.
has anyone had any experience with sucanat?
how does it compare, in baking for example, to brown sugar? woudl you get more of a molasses flavor from it, or does it behave sort of the same way, flavor wise?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 15 October 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
Muffin update: eggy muffins made with almond flour taste more like eggs than like almond flour
― ljubljana, Monday, 15 October 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
i used to use stevia in baking and other things fairly often (i even used to make those eggy tasting almond flour muffins! they did the trick - then i switch to almond-flour pancakes for a long time - better), when i was weaning myself off sugar (loved sugar so much) over a decade ago and felt i really needed baked goods and pudding and i don't know just sweet things to eat, and it works decently but isn't for everyone, taste-wise, yeah. i like bitter taste though, so... i didn't use very much at all, and have added honey or organic cane sugar to even out the taste.
really, i figure if you're not eating that many baked goods in the first place, no big deal. like, when do i eat muffins? seriously almost never, but they're nice from time to time, and if low-sugar, even better. but in the great scheme of sugary things, at this point in my sometimes-shakey NN career lol, i'd rather just eat one amazing, sugar-and-butter packed almond croissant every three months.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, my problem is that I currently eat a lot of sugar and carbs every single day. Weaning is exactly what I'm trying to do... I'm focusing on the sugar for now, and less on the other carbs. But a non-carby snack is also a good thing to have and the muffins do the trick. Nuts are fine and all but they don't have enough volume to keep me going between meals. Certainly not going to pretend I'll never eat sugar again, though. Almond croissants are top of my 'worth it' list!
Have you got the recipe for the almond flour pancakes by any chance?...!
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah! It's pretty open, like: an egg, 2 to 3 tablespoons almond flour, pinch of baking powder, maybe a tablespoon or half-tbsp of rice flour or even (gasp) wheat flour (if you're not going full-on NN/no-carb), pinch of stevia, cinnamon (and nutmeg, cardamon, ginger if you want - spices = good), bit of milk/cream and/or olive oil. and nutmeg, cardamon, ginger if you want), bit of milk/cream and/or olive oil. Make pancakes, use butter :) I had some sugar-free syrup on top for a while as part of the weaning process but eventually I let it go, used a tbsp sugarless applesauce instead. And while not carb-free, carbs are minimal - I found they kept me full for at least 4 hours that way.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
(whoops weird iPhone accidental cut-and-paste job)
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 04:09 (eleven years ago) link
i think you mean "dr lustig phd"
― caek, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 09:18 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks Rrr!
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 11:19 (eleven years ago) link
Trying to get back on the NN wagon. Forgive me Cutty for I have sinned.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
So has anyone here visited a nutritionist? And if so, would you have any idea how to find one that isn't a complete quack or a waste of time?
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
i think dietitian is the "non-quack" version
― just1n3, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
In terms of getting guidance from someone TT probably wants to see a registered dietitian. Not all nutritionists are quacks but dietitians are those who have a professional license. I think.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:31 (eleven years ago) link
Do you have insurance, TT? A lot of insurance companies will list ones that they work in connection with and some will offer a discount.
this is pretty pricey, but if you're trying to get healthy and you're too busy/can't cook/hate cooking, it seems like a viable option:
http://freshnlean.com/
$35 p/day p/person if you live in california (includes 3 meals and delivery)
― just1n3, Friday, 19 October 2012 00:55 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, non-quack is an important qualification. I already do ok, I think, but I kind of want to make sure I'm not leaving myself open to some kind of deficiency or eating too little or something stupid I haven't thought of yet. Wasn't sure what the dietician/nutritionist difference was
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Friday, 19 October 2012 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
Look for a licensed dietician, for sure! "Nutritionist" has no professional standards/licensure/regulation afaik
― quincie, Friday, 19 October 2012 01:53 (eleven years ago) link
anyone use this site? http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/index.html
finding it v interesting and useful.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:12 (eleven years ago) link
i just bought like 100 vegetables
― horribl ecreature (harbl), Sunday, 21 October 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
list vegetables 1-53
― 乒乓, Sunday, 21 October 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
no i just know there was 100
― horribl ecreature (harbl), Sunday, 21 October 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
also eggs. i haven't eaten much pasta or "whole grains" for the past couple months and i feel good about it. last night since i was making bolognese sauce i was gonna have pasta but my big pot had stuff in it in the fridge so i baked a delicata squash instead, it was good.
― horribl ecreature (harbl), Sunday, 21 October 2012 14:18 (eleven years ago) link
getting into this. so, brown rice, it doesn't really taste any worse than white rice does it? maybe even nicer? i was expecting it not to be nice for some childish reason.
made this tonight: http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/brownricerisotto_84639
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
Brown rice tastes better than white rice imo! Kind of nutty and has more toothsomeness.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
yeah exactly, stands up to flavours a bit better too.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
brown rice is generally awful
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
oh I love brown rice! if you toast it a little before cooking, and add hot/near boiling liquid it comes up a lot nicer than cooking it up from cold like normal.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
yep this is how i did it. really good. i recommend that recipe above highly.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
I like brown rice way better than plain white but my favorite it maybe basmati.
― ENBB, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
pro tip: the purpose of rice is to balance out the oil/salt/flavor of the other foods you are eating. it's not really meant to be eaten by itself. hth!
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I don't really like rice on it's own in general
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
i heard eggs were good for youbut now i heard they were bad for youwhat's up nazis?
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
A nicely fragrant long-grained brown basmati is most excellent and not to be sneered at.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
eggs in moderation? is how I understand it?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
so like, i'm reading a lot about this stuff, but what i wonder about is whether things like brown rice/quinoa are still better avoided in favour of greens or veg. i'm having a lot of veg with these but is there any guide for ratios or whatever?
my main aim is to lose a little weight, i've got a lot slimmer in recent months due to exercise and following some of the obvious rules, less meat etc, i'm just sort of muddled about the need to eat healthy fat and whether that's part of losing weight.
is the key to all this to tackle nutrition first, in terms of eating really good stuff, then count calories after that and start making changes?
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
I mean honestly if you're eating brown rice & quinoa and vegetables and less meat and you've lost weight already, I fail to see the point of any further policing tbh. But I am not a nutrition nazi.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
i eat more meat now and i am getting super strong
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
If you want to go paleo, then do that instead, I guess? xp
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
the rule with veg is not a ratio thing: eat as much and as many as possible. there is no upper limit.
quinoa is cool. eat loads. brown rice is ruffage but it's otherwise empty calories. if you need the rice to feel full then eat more protein.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
if you need <em>lots</em> of rice to feel full, that should be.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
i wouldnt call this completely empty calories. it's not like iceberg lettuce or anything.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5707/2
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
my buddy claims brown rice is better for his pre-diabetes because of some glycemic thing.
are bananas good or bad now? the pro-yonanas lobby seems to have a vested interest in "yea"i feel like a banana every day or so won't hurt, but you shouldn't go bananas eating bananas.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i mean there are worse sins than brown rice.
but lettuce, etc. are not what i mean by empty calories. lettuce is basically zero calories. by "empty calories" i mean stuff with not much going for it other than the energy.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
eat bananas. they are good.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
bananas are awesome in smoothies too -- add a really good base for other fruit, you really notice when you make one without a nana
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
there was a lot of stuff about dietary cholesterol in egg yolks, that, afaict, is no longer a concern to most docs. otherwise they are fine imo. everything in moderation.
i discovered this stuff on my last trip to the US. taleban recruitment advert imo.
http://www.southernsavers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/EggBeaters.jpg
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
i'm pretty sure jamba juice isn't healthy! not at 24oz anyway.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
those things are terrifying
avoid unless for some crazy reason you are medically unable to eat actual eggs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
but it's 99% real!
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
xpost not Jamba! homemade 12 oz smoothie with banana, berries, yogurt, greens and flax seed.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
that's the same thing they put in jamba juice, unless you get white gummy bear, then it's like that plus 3 scoops of sherbet.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
big difference between a smoothie and a juice
― just1n3, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
not being defensive, just want to explain myself. I use nonfat greek yogurt and/or unsweetened almond milk. I use fresh frozen strawberries or raspberries: if I use 2 fruits I combine them to make 1 cup worth, or 1 cup of one type of fruit only. no honey no other sweeteners. plus a good handful of spinach or kale and at least a tablespoon of ground flax.
I'm deliberately trying to avoid making ridiculously oversweetened sugarbomb smoothies. I don't get anything like the kind of horrible bloodsugar spikes I did when I was having huge lattes and toast, and the absence of dairy has helped my stomach problems enormously.
I know maybe they're not the ideal healthy breakfast but I feel like I'm feeling a lot better healthwise making these than I have felt in a long time.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
there are worse sins than brown rice
this is the sort of statement that makes me not a nutrition nazi. food and sin conflated. meh.
people vary enormously in how the food they eat interacts with their health and well-being. i don't care if you have a study that shows this that or the other. my body knows better than any study of other people what i need for my health.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
But the studies offer some useful hypotheses that you can try out on your own body to see if they feel helpful.
― ljubljana, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
what are the best ways, practically, that you guys use to eat more veg? it seems green salad with lots of varied veg in it and a protein would be a good way of doing this at dinner?
i'm putting veg into everything and eating lots of fruit, but i think it's still difficult to have 4.5 cups a day as seems to be recommended. especially if you're basing meals around brown rice/quinoa. that's the root of my questions i suppose, is filling up on these healthy carbs a bit of a waste relative to using veg and proteins instead? that seems to be your point caek?
yeah i mean, i don't need to follow any one particular regime but i'm quite interested in improving my nutrition as much as possible now that i've got the buzz for doing this, once something becomes an interest like this i usually can change my habits really quickly.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 08:38 (eleven years ago) link
this is the nutrition nazi thread.
that's the root of my questions i suppose, is filling up on these healthy carbs a bit of a waste relative to using veg and proteins instead? that seems to be your point caek?
exactly. well, quinoa is good stuff, but rice is kind of a missed opportunity if you're trying to calorie control. there are less calorific ways to feel full, that have the additional benefit of making you immortal (veg).
and iirc you are throwing kettle bells around, etc., so calorie control should mean sth different for you than just eat fewer calories. make sure you are getting lots of protein too, which is also v filling.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 10:35 (eleven years ago) link
healthiest protein sources are basically oily fish, nuts, lean chicken or turkey, right?
yep am doing a lot of kettle bell work and running 3/4 times a week too.
any thoughts on what are the best ways, practically, that you guys use to eat more veg?
i know these questions are sort of obvious, i kind of know the answers but i'm not keen to assume too much either.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 10:42 (eleven years ago) link
fatty fish (salmon, tuna, although getting healthy cuts of these can get expensive), oily fish (even supermarket mackerel is good in the uk imo. miss that so much), quark/cottage cheese (if you do dairy), eggs (if you do eggs). if milk agrees with you then drink milk. the recommended protein intake for a guy doing weights or anything like that is insane (1g/kg, 1g/lb depending on who you ask), and i basically have no idea how people who don't eat meat do it without protein powder.
we have a salad bar at work, and i try to eat as much salad as i can manage every lunch. it's handy because it's otherwise a bit of a hassle maintaing a fridge for interesting salads for 1. i bring in the rest of my lunch. nuts and apricots on my desk.
always have broccoli. have it with every meal. you can put spinach in a lot of stuff. kale in oil and garlic as a side. frozen veg is better than no veg: peas, beans, etc.
also eat lentils.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 10:54 (eleven years ago) link
p.s. i know nothing about meat, but you could probably eat some of that too.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 10:57 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it is hard to have a fridge full of stuff and not have things going off or whatever. esp as i'm broke at least for another 2/3 weeks. once normal service resumes things are a lot easier though.
i've started having nuts on my desk yeah. as for oily fish, sardines are good too, right? been eating a lot of those.
i don't really do dairy cos of health stuff but i have soy milk and yoghurt occasionally.
do you use recipe sites or just experiment?
xpost ah i see, i was wondering about the meat bit.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:01 (eleven years ago) link
thanks, btw, all very useful. i'm not trying to become arnie or whatever but i have a good discipline going on.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:02 (eleven years ago) link
sardines will make you live forever. eat these: http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2010/01/alton-browns-diet-weight-loss-sardine-avocado-sandwiches.html.
if money/waste is a problem then get frozen veg. it's pretty good in the uk.
i think like the last 5ish bona fide recipes i have added to my bench came from ilx.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:07 (eleven years ago) link
good recipes here: curry chronicles
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:08 (eleven years ago) link
love serious eats, that sandwich looks awesome.
in terms of general nutrition and say knowing quinoa is better than brown rice, is it basically just a case of looking at how nutritious something is v its calories?
again, i know this sounds a bit basic, but i find lots of sites you'd expect to trust are really dumbed down and don't provide clear info. or (and the nhs is an extreme of this) it's like they have reduced the factual element of their nutrition advice because they are aiming for a best case scenario in terms of improving public health.
as such it's quite hard to find good and reliable info.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:15 (eleven years ago) link
I guess my basic rule of thumb is that if something has significant calories then it better have some protein. Beyond that, as long as you're eating better stuff than you used to eat, in a sustainable way (important!) then you're doing well.
I think there are only a few people here who think seriously about ratios of omegas, vitamins, acidity, etc. Personally I just eat as much veg as poss.
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:53 (eleven years ago) link
always have broccoli. have it with every meal.
the v-1 of being a nutrition nazi
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:55 (eleven years ago) link
i generally have a lot of problems with getting tired all the time and constantly being hungry. past couple months i have eaten a lot more meat, very few grains, and more fatty things. i used to just be like fiber, fiber, fiber. i definitely feel better but i can't tell if that's what caused it because (1) i'm in a slightly different job that doesn't require running around like a maniac all day 3x/week, (2) it stopped being 100º every day at the same time i changed foods and jobs, (3) i am totally into heavy lifting, which i started doing around the same time all the other stuff changed. before i would run if i had enough energy after work, otherwise would not get exercise. and i was mostly dead tired after work. i am mostly focused on protein now but it's impossible for me to get 1g/lb of bodyweight, that's insane. i think i get 100-120g/day. i use protein powder sometimes. greek yogurt, chicken, big hamburgers (no bun), sardines, and eggs are good. i think it's easier to cook for myself eating meat because it doesn't require much preparation like beans or something, i just make a kale salad and/or sweet potato or squash with it). i don't have time or desire to read tons of articles about food stuff and they all disagree with each other anyway so i just do what i feel ˘\(o_o)/˘nb i have not gotten fatter, probably less fat bc i have more muscles and weigh the same
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i really struggle with protein. i don't eat meat and non-canned fish is terrible here (munich). i probably get 100g on a good day. i weigh 180ish. ugh.
these are geared towards lifters, but they're concise and pragmatic, and not as bad as you'd think from the URLs
http://www.reddit.com/help/faqs/Fitnesshttp://4chanfit.wikia.com/wiki/Harsh's_Worksheet_(WIP)
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ 4chanfit :)
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
haha at the comments on the wiki link without the )
working link
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:49 (eleven years ago) link
(3) i am totally into heavy lifting, which i started doing around the same time all the other stuff changed.
fucking awesome!!!
― goole, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
totally into lifting heavy shit now.it's something i never really liked before but i dig it.
― carne asada, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
i've been at it for a year and i have to restrain myself from evangelizing
― goole, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
it is a lot of fun!
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
i evangelized todayfed chard and tofu to a chilean and he liked it!
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
we have some generic fitness threads, should we have an ilxor sw0le thread
― goole, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
i wanted to start a thread about deadlifts but i was ashamed i can't actually lift that much yet, it's just impressive to me and me alone
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
there's your routine at the gym
― caek, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
nah that's not the same it was like how 3 women at my job started talking/arguing about the merits of ellipticals today and i wanted to be like LOL but i decided to just say nothing
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
i'm trying to think of a good swole thread title
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
i have pretty much taken on eating meat full time (lapsed vegetarian) and I am saddened that I feel a lot better overall :/ the vegetarian in me is pretty peeved.
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like my brain works better on meat
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
thread of getting sw0le
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
― homosexual II, Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:01 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
this is me as well, i couldn't thrive when i was vegetarian but i'd still rather not eat meat.
― estela, Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
Some times I think about that. I wonder if I'd have more energy if I started eating meat again but it has just been so long that I can't even imagine every doing so.
― ENBB, Thursday, 25 October 2012 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
Sometimes, even
― ENBB, Thursday, 25 October 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
I've been feeling an urge to go back to meat again lately, but over the weekend I took my daughter to a petting zoo and got up close to some chickens and cows. It threw me for a loop.
― how's life, Thursday, 25 October 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I don't think I could actually do it but I wonder. I've definitely relaxed a lot. The other night the thai food delivered basil rice with chicken instead of tofu but I was too hungry and lazy to wait for them to correct the order so I picked out the chicken. Years ago I wouldn't have done that because OMG IT TOUCHED.
― ENBB, Thursday, 25 October 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
I think the thing that bugs me is that I think I would do a better job constructing a healthy as a meat-eater than a vegetarian. I make an effort to eat food that's not processed all to shit, but it's pretty half-hearted.
― how's life, Thursday, 25 October 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
Personally, I have more energy than when I carried a couple days meat/dairy slowly rotting at 98.6 °F. But just a reminder, B12 supplementation is an absolute must, there are no reliable vegetable sources (unless like cows you eat soil too), and the consequences of low B12 are too severe.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
sorry I lol'ed at 'unless like cows you eat soil too'
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
I know this must already be on this thread somewhere, but Sanpaku, can you defend the need for supplementation in a healthy diet? I have the vaguest arguments about evolution swirling around in my head that are telling me the rotting meat/dairy must still have the edge over a diet that needs supplementation, but there are probably easy ways to knock them down.
― ljubljana, Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
i have both rotting meat and rotting vegetables inside of me
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
Our paleolithic ancestors lived 33 years, on average. A high animal protein diet that increased IGF-1 and hence stature was likely beneficial for hunting and mating success, as the downsides of excess animal protein causing osteoporosis, or the IGF-1 promoting late life cancer simply don't matter for Darwinian fitness. The chronic diseases of affluence don't matter to those who don't live long enough to develop them.
I spent 30 years of my life caring for relatives with progressive multiple sclerosis or post-stroke dementia, so that definitely influences my preferences. Diet for me isn't about being buff, but avoiding chronic disease which may not be symptomatic for decades. Modern weightlifters are aiming at something rather different than I am, which is a long, disease free lifespan. A low-fat whole foods vegan diet is a pretty easy way to achieve this, as it can practically eliminate heart disease, stroke and diabetes, and radically reduce cancer and kidney disease incidence (which together account for most deaths in the US). Ideally, I'd like to die after a 1 week bout of pneumonia after an expected 83 years of disease free life (like the vegan Adventists in the largest US cohort study of vegetarianism). If I had more willpower I'd do the CRON diet, which might yield 120 years if started at birth, with the downside of constant hunger.
Michael Greger (who's a hero of sorts to me) does a nice rundown on diet and the leading causes of death:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
my main goals are(1) not feeling like shit every evening(2) not feeling hungry all the time(3) getting sw0le(4) not living for 120 years, i did vote yes on the death button thread after all
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
ljubljana, to your question there's nothing particularly "natural" about human dairy consumption, or grain-fed modern animal agriculture, either.
I think the naturalistic fallacy applies to health as well as ethics, I'd eat handfuls of vitamin pills if they offered better health. Most demonstrably don't, and several in fact seem to increase disease incidence/progression. Only two supplements (vitamin B12 for vegans, and vitamin D for those living outside the tropics) seem to offer significant benefits vs. cost for those otherwise eating a varied whole foods diet. No animal makes B12, our ancestors lost that metabolic pathway over a billion years ago, and rely on bacterial synthesis. Cows get it from not being picky about dirt (where the bacteria reside) in their food, as did vegans among our ancestral species. As for vitamin D, we spent most of our evolutionary history wearing loin cloths or less under the tropical sun, and now live indoors at latitudes where vitamin D synthesis from UV striking our skin is difficult much of the year. D certainly benefits bone health, immune function, inflammatory response, and (related) multiple sclerosis incidence, and perhaps helps cardiovascular disease and life expectancy.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Friday, 26 October 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
Lifespan, shit, I knew it would be something I should have spotted straight off. Thanks for the vid; I'm not sure when I'll manage to get to it (still only half way through the sugar one) but I'll definitely take a look.
My problem is a bit like harbl's, though - hungry all the time. I've cut back on sugar a lot in the last 2 weeks, though, and that has helped a lot. I realised I'd been doing 'all or nothing' - either sugar plus other carbs or no sugar/very low carbs overall, and it's time to try (duh) not being a carb-nazi but also not having the sugar.
― ljubljana, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
if it was just hungry i could probably deal with it but irritability and fatigue and stuff are the worst. again i can't say what caused what since i changed so many things at once. i definitely wasn't b-12 deficient because i was eating just enough meat for that.
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Friday, 26 October 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
i think it depends on what you have to do during the day though--when i was unemployed i was fine not eating any meat because i spent most of the day sitting around and didn't have to use my brain for anything. i didn't eat meat though all of college and law school though, i think. can't really remember.
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Friday, 26 October 2012 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
i am not implying vegetarian diets are for sedentary, dumb people
so i shouldn't say "i was fine not eating any meat" i should say i was fine not paying too much attention to anything except cheapness
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Friday, 26 October 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, hungry-all-the-time for me goes with fatigue and irritability too. Also, sugar-induced hunger is faster and way more intense.
― ljubljana, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
again, not ruling out occasional indulgences, not about to wave away special occasion cake etc. But it's helpful to be out of an office that had a tradition of cake- or chocolate-bringing every damn day.
― ljubljana, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:40 (eleven years ago) link
feel better than ever now that I am consciously returning back to small portion sizes
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html?_r=1
― just sayin, Friday, 26 October 2012 10:06 (eleven years ago) link
forget the studies, they live forever cos they don't work in offices or commute
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 11:48 (eleven years ago) link
article is not credible at all, makes no mention of sardines
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 October 2012 11:58 (eleven years ago) link
refused to read that because the headline is so creepy
― caek, Friday, 26 October 2012 12:01 (eleven years ago) link
just had a gigantic tomato/rocket/lettuce/red pepper salad from marks and spencers and two tins of sardines for lunch. probably a placebo effect but i it's like i can palpably sense the goodness after eating it.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
two tins
^ otm
― caek, Friday, 26 October 2012 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
i was having smaller salads and one tin before, only occurring to me how much more volume of healthy stuff you can eat.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 12:38 (eleven years ago) link
The New York times did a nice takedown of the Meditterranean diet last year Does the Mediterranean Diet Even Exist?. The healthy communities were the impoverished ones, that could only afford to eat lentils, fruits, and vegggies, so they got healthy. It's not the olive oil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBKauKVi4M
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Friday, 26 October 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
I want to eat sardines but I'm still kind of afraid? I bought a nice tin of King Oscar. I just, I'm afraid I'll hate them? Or that the heads will skeev me out and I'll throw up, lol.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
there are no heads
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
no way
really?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
okay well that's a start
are they a weird thing for you? i used to have them as a kid on sunday evenings, sardines on toast.
do any of you guys buy them fresh much? i
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
I've never eaten them before, ever
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
vg: try the avacodo + sardine thing upthread. i mean it's still going to taste fishy, but the creaminess of the avacado + the vinegar takes the edge off it a lot.
― caek, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
i get them fresh literally every time i see them on the menu at a restaurant, but i don't have them fresh at home
i have bought them fresh quite a bit, really nice and you can do a bit more with them, they're great with chilli and lemon.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
in anything, on anything, around anything. have lived a sardine free life.
but I'm down with fish in general, and fishyness so there's no real reason why I shouldn't try them. I just need a way to eat them.
xpost yeah I think the avocado method sounds like the best delivery vehicle for me
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 October 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
how do you all fit seeds into things? just putting through quinoa or brown rice dishes sounds a good way, or maybe in morning porridge?
any other tips or suggested seeds beyond the obvious?
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
Ground flax seeds and chia seeds mixed in smoothies. Sunflower seeds or pumpkin seeds on salad. Sorry, nothing too exciting here.
― xanthanguar (cwkiii), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
You can get boneless and skinless sardines
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
1) Flax (despite being cheaper) is better than chia.2) Both pretty much pass right through unless ground. But whole seeds have a much higher shelf-life.3) As mentioned by cwkiii, ground flax & chia are great for thickening up smoothies. You can use 1 tbsp flax + 3 tbsp water (in blender) as an egg replacer in all sorts of recipes. Flax also works in salad dressings:
This is my salad dressing de jure, from Susan V.'s excellent recipe blog
Low-Fat Tahini-Chickpea Dressing1 tablespoon flax or chia Grind to a powder in blender, dry, then add1/4 cup chickpeas, 1/4 cup lemon juice, 1/2 cup water, 1 tbsp tahini, 1/2 tbsp tamari or soy sauce, 1 tbsp nutritional yeast, 2 cloves garlic, 2 tsp minced ginger Puree. Black pepper to taste
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
what about say, hemp? do they need grinding? i've also been putting sunflower seeds into things.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
Next to nothing is known about hempseed:
I was surprised to find so few articles published in the human medical literature on hempseeds, but maybe I shouldn’t be given the lack of much of an industry lobby and the stigma attached to the plant. Only 4 popped up in a pubmed search (excluding articles written by a “Dr. Ian D. Hempseed.”). The latest (available full-text) was a double-blind placebo-controlled comparison of fish, flax and hempseed oil supplementation that lasted 3 months and found no significant effects of any of them on lipid profile, LDL oxidation or measures of inflammation. This result is similar to what was found in my video Is Distilled Fish Oil Toxin-Free? Before that a study comparing daily tablespoons of flaxseed to hempseed oil similarly didn’t find much effect. The third was the study you cited, which found that 2 daily tablespoons of hempseed oil improved atopic dermatitis (an itchy skin rash) better than the same amount of olive oil. The researchers suggest it may be because of the gamma linoleic acid content of hempseeds, an omega 6 fatty acid that paradoxically appears to have an overall anti-inflammatory effect. Instead of downing the oil, as always I’d suggest eating the whole food–hempseeds–directly (same with flaxseeds, see my video Just the Flax Ma’am). And the final study, “Anaphylaxis to ingestion of hempseed” soundly debunks the wikipedia claim that “In fact, there are no known allergies to hemp foods.”
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
right. i've never bought them but kept reading (obviously bullshit) articles claiming them to be healthy.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
BTW, that's from a reader Q&A page at Dr. Greger's site. He has 28 HSUSA interns to ferret out info, I'm sadly solo.
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
I bought some hempseed oil because I found flax oil pretty intolerable in salad dressings. Its better, a bit more nut like (rather than unripe/green) tasting.
Flax definitely has the better essential fatty acid profile assuming you're eating other fats in your diet (58%:14% ω−3:ω−6, vs 16%:57% in hemp). The western diet is overwhelmingly heavy in the ω−6 linoleic (LA), which is metabolized to pro-inflamatory eicosanoids like the prostaglandins. The main ω−3 fatty acid in plants, α-Linolenic acid (ALA), competes for the same enzymatic pathways to produce less effective or ineffective eicosanoid hormones, and so seems to reduce inflamation (and hence cancer, vascular disease, arthritis etc). A 1:3 ratio like in hemp is considered ideal, but since you're probably getting so much ω−6 fat from other sources (pretty much every other vegetable oil except canola, which is 1:2), the flax presumably would help to redress the imbalance.
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
I will note, that even though flax oil is a bit of an acquired taste that I didn't acquire, its the absolute best oil for seasoning your cast iron skillet.
― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
This is probably the wrong thread, and please redirect me if there's a better one, but... I have a friend with breast cancer that is also in her lymphatic system. She's Taiwanese, and her European husband studies Chinese medicine. She says she's not going through surgery and chemo, but going to rely on acupuncture, exercise, diet and meditation. She directed me to a youtube that promotes a vegan diet called the R@ve Diet and attacks chemo and surgery as an 'industry'.
She's had a difficult life and she seems to feel that she's 'gone wrong' by not looking after herself properly, and that when she starts to do that, she will have a good chance of getting better. I am so worried for her, and she has a toddler son. I don't want to attack her decision directly and it would do no good to do so. She will look at research, however. Sanpaku, does anything spring to mind?
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
This youtube claims breast cancer prognoses haven't improved since the 30s. Doctors and doctors-in-training: that's not right, is it? Even cursory Googling suggests that it isn't.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:38 (ten years ago) link
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/
― markers, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:40 (ten years ago) link
But however well his intuition and “magical thinking” may have worked for him at work, Jobs’ postponement of surgery in favor of alternative means was a bizarre executive decision. “We talked about this a lot.” says the biographer. “He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it. … I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner.”By the time Jobs finally opted for surgery, the cancer had spread. He had an under-the-radar liver transplant and began putting a lot of energy into researching the most sophisticated experimental methods, making a complete about-face from how he began his treatment years before.
By the time Jobs finally opted for surgery, the cancer had spread. He had an under-the-radar liver transplant and began putting a lot of energy into researching the most sophisticated experimental methods, making a complete about-face from how he began his treatment years before.
― markers, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:41 (ten years ago) link
my cliched view on non-western medicine is that it's a good bet for preventive healthcare, but once you are actually diagnosed with a serious disease you should turn to conventional treatment.
― Treeship, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:43 (ten years ago) link
but yeah, the jobs article might be a good thing to show her. i don't know if you can go about this without offending her... that might be unavoidable... but you should make sure she hears what you think she needs to hear.
― Treeship, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:46 (ten years ago) link
The trouble with Jobs is that if you've decided your cancer was largely caused by stress, you'll see Jobs as someone who didn't knock his stress on the head and therefore wasn't doing the alternative treatments right.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:51 (ten years ago) link
ljub, my mother in law was diagnosed with stage 3 pancreatic cancer last april. she did not want chemo and doctors felt that it was not as effective on that type of cancer, and risky since she is an advanced age. she opted to undertake the Ger$on therapy, which is basically juicing, coffee enemas, and some approved foods.
I thought it was the biggest load of horseshit I'd ever heard of, and I spent a few months actively fearing her imminent death. I felt like it was a really bad idea, that this stuff was quackery and she was risking her health.
She has not done anything aside from the therapy, no exercise or meditation or anything at all, she's only half-done the therapy and isn't even doing the enemas as often as she 'should'. (I can't blame her). But somehow, for whatever reason, her cancer has not grown. She has not gotten sicker. She has no pain. She is in good health. And her doctor says at each 3 monthly checkup, keep doing whatever it is you're doing because it's working.
the lesson for me wasn't that quackery isn't quackery. The lesson is that what your friend wants is in a lot of ways much more important than what you want FOR them. Whatever they choose, whatever treatment they want for themselves, that is the path you go down with them. Because their mindset is a big part of this.
I'm no more of an advocate for this quacked-out therapy than I was when I found out my MIL had cancer. It is working for HER, and that is the only truth I can really embrace. And while she's around for me to be with and enjoy and in no pain, I have no reason to tell her otherwise. I don't think I would choose that option myself. But I also know that chemo is painful and debilitating and even before any of that, it's fucking scary. What we want for our loved ones isn't always going to give you the best VERSION of them. I think there's some weight to thinking about which version of your friend you want.
But also just generally, be careful with how you counsel your friend, because ultimately this is a really personal choice and one that requires support from friends like you, no matter what she chooses.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:37 (ten years ago) link
I'm no doctor. I'm contemplating that path but can't claim a comprehensive background or credentials in adjunct therapies. Its just become a hobby - some people watch TV, I google for phytochemicals that activate Keap1/Nrf2 pathways.
Once cancer has metastasized, there are some very prominent medical professionals that believe chemo rounds are unjustified cruelty - a lot of suffering for little likelihood of remission. So I respect ljubljana's friend's decision.
I will say that some dietary interventions seem to make a world of difference in cancer progression. Of primary importance is getting insulin like growth factor (IGF-I) as low as possible: this generally means a low protein, animal-product free diet. Dietary methionine restriction has been used as an adjunct to cancer therapy. A vegan diet, especially one moderate in soy, achieves this pretty easily.
A number of phytochemicals suppress the processes of inflammation central to cancer metastasis. The anthocyanins in berries appear particularly potent here.
The diet for longevity with cancer appears to be the same for cancer prevention: a whole foods plant based diet, with starch as the major calorie source, emphasizing plants with known antiproliferative effects: cruciferous vegetables, alium vegetables, many fruits but especially berries. Dark chocolate is cool. The beverage of choice is green tea.
For hope, I'd point her to the story of Ruth Heidrich, who had a similar diagnosis of infiltrating ductal carcinoma at age 47, and still competing in marathons and Ironman triathalons 31 years later.
For easy knowledge, I'd point her to the hundreds of videos on cancer and on dietary interventions at NutritionFacts.
There's this guy Mark McCarty who is a bit like me, but he's been scouring the research literature broadly for 30 years and is now affiliated with a Tijuana cancer treatment center (yes, I know how that sounds). I think his book on integrative cancer treatment, especially the sections on nutraceuticals, is worth the read.
I have been collecting a bunch of research papers for my own reading for a while. I would recommend the sections on breast cancer, IGF-I and cancer, methionine restriction, and maybe the diabetic drug Metformin for starters. Drill down in plant studies and there's a metric shit ton of articles on antiproliferative effects of particular veggies.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 04:59 (ten years ago) link
Seriously, Ruth Heidrich is some kind of hero, got a PhD in nutrition after her diagnosis, and her daily diet is austere, spartan, but every element makes sense.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:13 (ten years ago) link
There are evidence-based alternative cancer therapies, and then there's Ger$on. Can't say I predisposed to embrace a protocol including injections of raw calf liver.
Two videos that may please those in favor of evidence-based integrative medicine, or with an aversion to mother-in-laws.G Therapy for CancerG Therapy vs. Chemotherapy
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:41 (ten years ago) link
the raw liver injections aren't used anymore.
and dude: I like you, I like your research, you bring good depth to any discussion...but the mother in law crack was crass & in poor taste. and that's me being polite & restrained.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:46 (ten years ago) link
My apologies. It's late here, the bottle is empty, and MILs are common comedy fodder. It was inconsiderate, and I probably shouldn't attempt comedy in my state.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:05 (ten years ago) link
thank you
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:09 (ten years ago) link
There is a very interesting question of how one can bring any levity to discussions of physiology. At root, we learn that we are awesomely complicated machines, which is in itself potentially a rather depressing thought. I wonder if La Mettrie was welcome in the parlors of Paris, Leiden or Berlin. Probably not the conversation for this thread or time.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:24 (ten years ago) link
Sanpaku, thank you very much for gathering all of this together. I really appreciate it a lot, especially that link to the papers. I'll be watching it and learning before deciding how to respond properly to my friend. What I'll be looking out for is what the evidence says about cancers that don't seem to be highly aggressive. I just got a second email from her that says hers is 'slow', and partly benign/calcified, but I don't know to what extent has actually metastasized in the lymphatic system - it's in there, but there is a specific test that seems to be able to tell you something about the chances of the lymph system allowing the establishment of the cancer elsewhere. I don't know what the results of that were.
VG, that's a very interesting and positive story - long may things continue as they are for your MIL! I sent my friend a holding reply that said: this scares me a lot, and yet I see what you are saying and I know there are no guarantees with chemo and surgery, and I will do some research myself. (I am cheating with Sanpaku's help). That's the most honest thing I can say. When I've read more I'll say more about the most positive evidence I can find. If I find things that cause me to ask myself whether this approach really fits her specific situation, maybe I'll say something about that too. It depends how strongly I think it would contribute to the research picture she herself is trying to build.
― ljubljana, Friday, 17 May 2013 11:56 (ten years ago) link
ljubjana, I'd also like to point you to Mark McCarty's magnum opus so far: Low-Fat, Low-Salt, Whole-Food Vegan: Staying Lean and Healthy into Ripe Old Age, where he puts everything together in 218 pages and 1100 references - one of the best guides to a health promoting lifestyle you'll find anywhere, and its free. The 35 page section on cancer prevention neatly summarizes the IGF-I/cancer story better than I've seen anywhere else.
My other nutritional guru of late is Vincent Giuliano, who may yet convince me to supplement more extensively. Search his Anti-Aging Firewalls blog for "cancer" and you'll find some very up-to date summations of current research on foods and supplements with antiproliferative effects.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Saturday, 18 May 2013 03:40 (ten years ago) link
Thanks Sanpaku.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:05 (ten years ago) link
ljubljana, I came across the site Food for Breast Cancer a few moments ago and its clearly one of the most extensive, best researched sites on nutrition & cancer.
Also, I wanted to share a couple papers that do an excellent job reviewing mechanisms and foods that can reactivate tumor suppressor genes silenced by epigenetic modifications in cancer. This may be most potent nutritional intervention after cancer is diagnosed, and its an extremely active research field at the moment.
Stefanska, B., et al. Epigenetic mechanisms in anti‐cancer actions of bioactive food components–the implications in cancer prevention. British journal of pharmacology 167.2 (2012): 279-297.
Gerhauser, Clarissa. Cancer chemoprevention and nutri-epigenetics: State of the art and future challenges. Natural Products in Cancer Prevention and Therapy. Springer Berlin Heidelberg, 2013. 73-132.
The latter includes a comprehensive (as of 2012) "shopping list" of sorts for an anti-cancer epigenetics diet.
― Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
Thanks, I'll take a look at these and probably send them to my friend, especially that site.. I did some skimming around the papers you very kindly linked to, but not as much as I meant to, and my friend has gone quiet. Might see her in August as she might be in the UK.
It's funny, I was just thinking the other day about epigenetics and diet - I was remembering that a workshop was put on by UK research funders for bio and soc sci researchers. It was an attempt to bring both disciplines to bear on a bunch of broad-brush research questions. I wasn't there, but apparently the consensus was that everyone felt it was way to early to try to apply any kind of interdisciplinary approach to this set of problems. So totally not an area I know anything about, and things might have moved on a lot since then, at least on the bio side.
― ljubljana, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
are ppl still interested in this stuff
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:30 (ten years ago) link
cutty's not around much anymore, at least i don't think, but maybe we could still talk about this
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:31 (ten years ago) link
i already stopped drinking soda, eating sweets and pastries, etc. so that's been good. but now i should probably do more at some point.
getting off sugar is the most important thing in my experience. i weigh like 25 pounds less than i did in high school and the only real difference is that i don't drink soda.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:33 (ten years ago) link
not sure if i am healthier though, but i think the soda was fucking with my energy levels back then because i feel more "balanced" now. i drink green smoothies too now which make me feel better. i wish i knew enough to have a real nutritional philosophy though, like cutty seemed to have.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:36 (ten years ago) link
― markers, Monday, October 14, 2013 10:31 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
q is what have you replaced them with?
it's a great first step tho
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:37 (ten years ago) link
the sugar is def a huge thing
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:37 (ten years ago) link
xpost
i can help., whatcha need markers.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:56 (ten years ago) link
so i have water, seltzer, and orange juice. i've had a little decaf tea too. not too bad. on the eating side, i do have some good things, like oatmeal, some fruit, and other shit too, but as you can maybe tell it's kind of not a perfectly regular thing yet. like, tonight i ate tons of garbage. a lot of ruffles. some fries from burger king. oh, i have yogurt. so there's that! but it's this mixture now of this super salty bad shit and then healthy stuff too. i should work in the direction of lessening the amount of the former that i ate.
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 05:58 (ten years ago) link
eat, rather.
more than once i've thought of just cutting out all the bad stuff, but that hasn't worked yet. i doubt i've tried very hard tho
― markers, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 05:59 (ten years ago) link
i think gradual is ok! you have to experiment to figure out what keeps you satisfied--it's not going to be perfect. oatmeal, i tried that shit for years but it's not for me,
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 12:05 (ten years ago) link
markers, in terms of 'sugar', what you want to do is keep your glycemic index (GI) levels 'flat', meaning no real lows or real highs a lot.
There are different paths that lead to that point. If gradually cutting stuff out works for you, continue on that.
But just so you know, most packaged drinks (unless it's black coffee) will have 'sugar' your body does not need.
Pure fruit extracts are okay, but think of it this way: would you really down 10 oranges in one sitting? The point is there are too many fruits in a cup of fruit extract and this can mess with your GI levels, as well.
I'll tell you my approach based on some scientific data which can be interpreted different ways, but I'll tell you how I interpret it.
First of all, I am not a biologist or a physiologist, so if someone is more aware of the intricacies of the following process, please correct me if I am wrong.
I'm going from memory, but fruit extract only contains the juice which after undergoing this process, is highly hydrolyzed. This means that it is digested and goes into your blood stream faster. When you eat fruit whole, it isn't as hydrolyzed and the rest of its parts help slow down digestion and decrease the speed at which it is 'released'.
So, juice (fruit extract) is like throwing a lot of sugar into your body fast, while eating a fruit is slowly releasing that sugar.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
hi cutty
― ṿῗᾄǤℝᾄ (am0n), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
Yep, cut out the soda. Whether its the fructose in HFCS or the phosphate additives, its not good news. In general, it doesn't seem a good idea to drink your calories (whether soda, milk, juice, or alcohol).
I hydrate with a couple cups of unsweetened black coffee at dawn, a pot of green tea (with a squeeze of lemon juice) in the afternoon, and hibiscus tea (brewed from flor de jamaica) after dinner. All are well documented health foods, even the coffee.
― جهاد النكاح (Sanpaku), Thursday, 17 October 2013 03:56 (ten years ago) link
oh wait please tell me more about the health benefits of jamaica tea; I like that stuff a lot (though I do sweeten it with sugar).
― quincie, Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:11 (ten years ago) link
also is jamaica really different from hibiscus or is it the same damn flower?
Same flower - I just wanted to point out that there were alternatives to Red Zinger tea in the latin groceries. You can eat the petals after a brew, too.
Aside from having pretty much the highest antioxidant content of any herbal tea, hibiscus tea is notably effective in management of high blood pressure, might be neuroprotective, and inhibits angiogenesis in incipient cancers.
― جهاد النكاح (Sanpaku), Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:27 (ten years ago) link
Cool, thanks! I'll pick some up today. How do you brew yours?
― quincie, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:30 (ten years ago) link
I love jamaica, which by me is labeled "sorrel." I drop one or two blossoms into a pint glass with hot water and sometimes a peppermint teabag, add honey, drink at night. I think it might be a diuretic, although when you drink tea by the pint it's hard to tell exactly which of those things is making you have to pee at 6am.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:38 (ten years ago) link
I look forward to drinking it hot! For now, however, I must focus on iced because otherwise I will die of excessive heat, both internal and externally-produced!
My older lady friend's #1 protip for managing hormonal heat problems is to always carry a fan. I need a fan!
― quincie, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:40 (ten years ago) link
Basically make it with hot water and then refrigerate! Personally I'd stir some honey in while it was still hot but maybe you'll like it unsweetened.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link
Nah, I need some sugar--but not as much sugar as your typical Mexican jugo vendor has incorporated.
― quincie, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:01 (ten years ago) link
Has the big honey industry scam been discussed on IL Xor yet?
The nutrition gang here seems to be quite small.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link
are you talking about funny honey?
― how's life, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link
that's it, ya
― c21m50nh3x460n, Thursday, 17 October 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link
Have been moving towards eating a low GI diet for the past week or so, mostly because I want my body to use fat more efficiently as a fuel. This has been hard cos I'm someone that's used to living on bread and potatoes the whole time, I probably ate about one loaf of bread a day and I'm trying to replace that with more beans/nuts/fruit instead. Have to say I feel terrible at the moment, my energy levels are just so wiped out, my brain is shot and I'm slurring my words like a drunkard the whole time. Is this perpetually drained state a common thing? I thought it might be due to something else like overexercising, but yesterday I lapsed and had a really sugary flapjack and within a minute I felt fantastic and back to my usual self. Guessing that the depleted energy is probably just my brain telling me that I'm tired just so it gets to have all the glycogen for itself and I'm sure I'll adjust in time, but holy shit, this is grim.
― john wahey (NickB), Thursday, 12 June 2014 13:04 (nine years ago) link
bread lovely bread :(
― john wahey (NickB), Thursday, 12 June 2014 13:05 (nine years ago) link
you need to add more fat to your diet to get through that low carb flu stage. After a 10 days or so you will start to feel better.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 12 June 2014 13:12 (nine years ago) link
yeah, my nut consumption has gone through the roof and is costing me a small fortune
― john wahey (NickB), Thursday, 12 June 2014 13:21 (nine years ago) link
you have to just sort of power though it until your body adapts but it's tough, especially if you are getting a good amount of exercise in. i drank a lot of bulletproof coffee and it helped. http://www.bulletproofexec.com/bulletproof-coffee-recipe/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 12 June 2014 13:37 (nine years ago) link
prbly gonna give that a miss but thanks anyhow!
― john wahey (NickB), Thursday, 12 June 2014 13:50 (nine years ago) link
is there a current nutrition nazi thread?
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link
i don't think so
― call all destroyer, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link
i ate a lot of kale this summer and im never gonna die
― johnny crunch, Friday, 25 September 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
now i cant remember what i was gonna ask!
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 28 September 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link
Seems silly to start a 2015 thread for just the month of gluttony, so let's just run this one out OK
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 6 December 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link
I'm going to Portugal and I'm going to learn to love tinned sardines and I'm going to bring them back and actually eat them this time. Last time sardines were a thing around ILX, I bought probably seven tins of highly recommended brands and never ever opened even one. And then I moved and they. . . did not.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 6 December 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link
Can we all just admit that quinoa is really not that delicious.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 6 December 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
Cauliflower was the new kale, what is the new cauliflower?
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 6 December 2015 22:01 (eight years ago) link
lol quincie I did the same thing re sardines
i was too scared
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 December 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link
quinoa tastes so weird & earthy...i dont like it unless it's bumped to the max with big flavors/spices
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 December 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link
also i learned the hard way that red quinoa gives me horrible bowel cramps :(
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 December 2015 22:23 (eight years ago) link
I was in G on 14th street waiting for my sandwich order and this douche comes in and starts bitching loudly about grit in his "KI-NO-NA." Front of house is completely at a loss until the manager comes over, apologizes, and gives the guy basically a free meal. Now I get to spend the rest of my life thinking of that douchebad everytime I see the word quinoa. KINONA. KINONA.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 December 2015 22:28 (eight years ago) link
I can see where people might get KWEE-NOH-AH, but KI-NO-NA?
I'm having cauliflower tonight, but I'm making it with cream. And a steak.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 6 December 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
Every dish I've tried with quinoa would be better with bulgur wheat. Chalk the quinoa phenomenon to unfounded protein anxiety.
The research circles I'm following bifurcate into those who favor higher protein intake increase satiety and reduce obesity, and those who point out that cancer, diabetes and overall mortality are considerably lower in those who eat little complete protein (up til 65-70). In the lab, protein restriction (or just methionine restriction) accounts for most the benefits of calorie restriction on healthspan. Those who want to get sw0le and those who want to live to 120 may benefit from very different diets.
― Humean froth (Sanpaku), Sunday, 6 December 2015 22:57 (eight years ago) link
maybe i could start a protein nazis 2015 thread but it's pretty much thread of getting sw0le
― #amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Sunday, 6 December 2015 23:26 (eight years ago) link
how is yr sw0le quest going harbl?
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 December 2015 00:05 (eight years ago) link
i am pretty str0ng, could do better
― #amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Monday, 7 December 2015 00:19 (eight years ago) link
I like quinoa OK but it's p. bad for the planet iirc so I feel bad whenever I buy it. also I feel selfconscious abt pronouncing it "keenwa" - not sure why really - so I mostly just hope to avoid saying it out loud. have heard "kwinola" before so El Tomboto's witnessed douchebag is not alone in errant consonant insertion
PS I shouldn't really be here as I am the furthest thing from a nutrition nazi but I've got some good intentions for the new year (haw) so please do keep reviving/starting NN threads, maybe it'll help keep the pressure on
― a passing spacecadet, Monday, 7 December 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
Sardines purchased. Sardines to go in dinner tonight. No sardine excuses.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 7 December 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link
With whole wheat pasta. Don't worry, I eat so much cheese and wine, do not actually mistake me for an NN.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 7 December 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link
I bought a selection of sardines and conservas (mussels, oysters, etc.) last week but I haven't touched them yet. I just can't figure out what to do that's meal-like.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 00:22 (eight years ago) link
im a big fan of this - http://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1013094-pasta-with-sardines-bread-crumbs-and-capers
― just sayin, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 00:42 (eight years ago) link
Finished dinner.
I just. . . don't think I can do tinned sardines. I love them fresh! But I kept thinking, "this pasta would be delicious were it not for the sardines!"
I know I'll end up tossing the leftovers.
NN failure, I know.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 01:21 (eight years ago) link
There is an Italian joint in the neighborhood with house-pickled sardines. I like those, too! What is my problem with canned? These were Cole's from Portugal, packed in olive oil. Praised by many internet sardine aficionados.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link
OK I take it back, I'm eating some quinoa in some sort of tahini sauce and it is fine.
Not taking back the vileness of sardines, though.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 11 December 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
SARDINE REVELATION! I am in Lisbon and had some sardines from a can and they were/are delicious! I bought some more cans to take home.
Then again I had been drinking all of the wines so maybe they are still vile and I just didn't care.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 28 December 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
ok, what i am about to post is pretty embarrassing, so i'd appreciate it if you mocked me quietly to yourselves and not on this thread, bc i'm only trying this bizarro way of eating bc i've realized my attitudes towards food and cooking are way too disordered that i just can't do the 'normal' way of eating to be healthy, at least not for the foreseeable future...
so... i'm trying out the ~raw till 4~ thing... which i'm sure a lot of you are rolling your eyes at right now. i was too, initially, as i just never believed in fad diets. i still don't believe in fad diets, but i also know that not everyone can eat the same way and get the same results, especially due to different kinds of disordered eating.
i won't bother explaining why this lifestyle appealed to me, but i'm on day 6 and i haven't noticed any difference in my sleep (still poor), energy levels (still way low) or general wellbeing. but i've lost 8lbs in that time, even though i've been eating about 2000 cals of fruit during the day, and then mostly starchy vegetables at night, as well as drinking 2.5-3.5 liters of water every day. i realized that it's fucking SALT, man! i'd sort of skimmed something a while ago that mentioned salt as a big factor in weight gain, and i figured out that bc this lifestyle isn't just low fat/low protein, but also very very low salt, that was the cause of the sudden weight loss in such a short period. i eat so much sodium! i guess i sort of knew this, but the RDI is under 1000 mg and a tsp of salt has something like 2000mg, and i must have easily been eating that much (or much more), bc i heavily salt everything. i've quit smoking tho (as of mid-february) so hopefully that will help keep the need for salt down, as my tastebuds recuperate.
this all made me realize that one of the hardest things to give up isn't processed sugar or dairy, but fucking salt! i can't eat most veggies without salt, that's just too much to ask! but if i'm only have one mean a day that i'm adding salt to, it's a huge improvement.
also TMI ALERT TMI ALERT TMI ALERT.....i'm getting something like 150% or more of the RDI for fiber but it's having the uh opposite effect that it should have??
― just1n3, Friday, 25 March 2016 04:03 (eight years ago) link
Many raw foods have poor caloric availability. So poor that around a quarter of women who consume 70% raw diets become infertile, that rises to 50% in those reporting a 100% raw diet. Calorie counts can be misleading with raw foods.
On your later point, I believe it's a demonstration that "fiber" is too broad a term. Some types of fiber, like the cellulose that predominates in leafy greens, passes through hardly fermented by gut microbiota, and not at all in many who've lost microbial diversity to antibiotics and refined diets. Other types, like fermentable oligosaccharides as well as non-fiber digestion resistant starch, are the primary food input for the colon's microbial community. Now for the bomb drop: its not fiber that forms the bulk of bowel movements and eases movements, but bacteria, comprising more than half with some diets. So the one simple trick for perfect creamy 4s on the Bristol stool scale is not fiber, but feeding the colon's population with microbiota-accessible carbohydrates. α-galactans from beans; arabinoxylan from wheat bran; fructans from lightly cooked leeks, garlic & onion, artichokes, asparagus; resistant starch from pasta and tubers (especially when consumed as cooled leftovers - after amylose retrogradation).
You may notice the issue here - these aren't foods commonly consumed in raw diets. There's small amounts microbially available fructans in watermelon, peaches and a few other foods, but I'd suspect the easiest way for a raw foodist to feed their microbiota is raw potato starch (~40% resistant starch) added to their smoothie. As you're only raw before 4, consider concentrating on beans, allium vegetables, and roast potatoes in bulk so that you can have ~10% resistant starch leftovers in the refrigerator, ready to microwave.
― Unyielding Dispair Architects, LLC (Sanpaku), Friday, 25 March 2016 08:21 (eight years ago) link
j i'm not mocking you but if you have issues with disordered eating does it help you to do something with strict rules? i would think it would not but i'm not an expert in this field. also doesn't not getting much fat make you feel bad throughout the day? asking bc i care
― #amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Friday, 25 March 2016 11:03 (eight years ago) link
Sanpaku, what do you know about chlorophyll in liquid form as a supplement? Thanks for the fiber info! Oh also is there any evidence that eating fruit after cooked food is bad?
Harbz, I'm not too concerned with being strict - if I go out to eat I won't be super carefully monitoring what I order. My food issues aren't about something like anorexia or bulimia, it's not body-related in that way, so I don't think the rules part is a problem. Plus i don't think of them as rules but parameters to work within.
I'm gonna try this for a month and see how I feel at the end. The thing is, nutritional science seems to be constantly changing its stance so I don't feel like there are a whole lot of hard facts. So I'm totally open to this way of eating being totally bullshit.
I'm kinda happy right now that I've at least proved to one of my best friends that it really isn't as straightforward as just calories in/calories out when it comes to weight loss.
― just1n3, Friday, 25 March 2016 14:52 (eight years ago) link
Oh and the infertility thing is not an issue for me - it would be a bonus!
― just1n3, Friday, 25 March 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link
The fat thing - that was a problem the first five days but i noticed yesterday that the unsatiated feeling had gone.
― just1n3, Friday, 25 March 2016 14:56 (eight years ago) link
> know about chlorophyll in liquid form as a supplement
Generally, whole foods are better choices. Kale is 0.2% chlorophyll and spinach 0.12%, but also offer all the carotenoids and other micronutrients of fresh vegetables. The liquid supplements are solvent extracts (using acetone or DMSO), and run 100 mg/1 Tbsp, or roughly the amount in a 50 g of kale, or 3 cups loosely packed leaves.
Most research is on oral hygeine and topical application in wound healing or local inflammation. There's not much besides toxicology studies on oral ingestion. In rodents natural chlorophyll is poorly absorbed (its recognized in enterocytes and actively rejected), though sodium copper and esp. zinc derivatives aren't well recognized and are somewhat bioavailable. In vitro, chlorophyll appears to be a weak inducer of the the antioxidant response element, so its plausible that the small amounts that are absorbed might improve improve cell resistance to oxidative challenges.
In general, it hasn't attracted much interest, but I suppose it might be a natural alternative to herbal salves on wounds.
― Unyielding Dispair Architects, LLC (Sanpaku), Saturday, 26 March 2016 00:33 (eight years ago) link
Thanks!
― just1n3, Saturday, 26 March 2016 00:53 (eight years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mascha-davis-mph-rdn/so-you-want-a-new-superfo_b_9542054.html?utm_hp_ref=healthy-living%22
“[Moringa] has the potential to make a massive impact in countries that bear the burden of malnutrition, where 3 million deaths in children under five years are due to lack of adequate calories and protein…With the leaves containing 30 percent protein and the ability to grow quickly even in harsh environments, moringa is a unique plant that can be a major part of the solution.” says Mascha Davis MPH, RD, founder of NomadistaNutrition.com in her article for The Huffington Post.
― Edgard Varese is god (of music anyways) (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 14:34 (seven years ago) link
i'm not sure if it's PMS or this diet but i've been irritable af since i started it, and my skin is not impressed with the situation either.
it's also really hard to eat 2100 cals of fruit before 6pm - it's so much mass! i feel like i'm constantly eating all day, and even then i struggle to get it all in.
i've been using cronometer.com to keep track of macro nutrients, and i realized the other day that my vit A levels are really high - two days i got something like 2100% of the RDI. when i looked it up, i found out that bc it's fat soluble, toxicity is an issue and effects are really severe. so i was freaking out, since vit a is impossible to avoid in large amounts when you're eating this much fruit and sweet potatoes and pumpkin, but it seems only preformed vit A (from animal products) is really dangerous in excess amounts while proformed vit A from plants is much less toxic.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link
wouldn't 2100 calories of fruit be like, a massive amount of sugar?
― Treeship, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
yes! it's tons! but fructose doesn't trigger an insulin response and has a low GI - apparently. i'm not a legit enough researcher to quote anything as fact.
it certainly doesn't give me energy spikes :/ i don't feel any different than when i started this 2 weeks ago.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
i knew a fruitarian. she went raw for a few years, then switched to all fruits
she did lose weight and at the beginning, yes, her skin was bad, but it cleared up and she did have pretty nice skin after a few months
was going to reply to your original post, just1n3, but decided not to because i don't know how much you're telling us about your eating habits and past eating experiences (and you probably don't want to, understandably)
the thing that jumped out at me is low energy. i'd go to the doctor's but i'm assuming you've done this already so are exerpimenting with different diets. if this is the case, have you tried reading about how to better absorb vitamins/minerals in foods? and eating different food combinations
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:12 (seven years ago) link
Vitamin A on cronometer combines both preformed vitamin A (retinol) and pre-vitamin A carotenoids (mostly β- & α- carotene). Vitamin A hypervitaminosis is possible with preformed vitamin A, so if you're a explorer, lay off the polar bear and seal livers. The body self-regulates vitamin A production from carotenoids, so there's no upper limit. Traditional diet Okinawans do very well on a diet of 80% sweet potato.
High-dose β-carotene supplementation caused poorer outcomes in smokers in some studies from the 90s. The reason may be that the carotenoids (both provitamin A and not) compete for absorption, so high doses of one reduce availability of others. So too much β-carotene reduces uptake of lycopene, lutein, zeaxanthin etc. The lycopene (and cooked tomato intake generally) has some benefits in preventing prostate cancer and skin photodamage, the lutein & zeaxanthin are critical for preventing UV-damage to retinas.
Most problems with added sugar appear due to fructose content, and the problem with fructose in high doses appear due 1) liver metabolism when glycogen replete/sedentary, and 2) small intestinal fermentation and resultant increased endotoxin load. Whole fruit have microstructure and fiber that slows fructose availability, and compounds (esp. brighter colored fruit) have antibacterial compounds that modulate the microbiota. On the whole, the youtube fruitarian characters (ie, DurianRider and gf) that get away with eating 3000+ kcal bananas daily get away with it because they're long-distance bicyclists. Personally, I limit myself to 4 servings of dark berries.
― Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
does a Sanpaku do nootropics
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
sanpaku best robot out of all ilxors
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link
A robot would have better spelling/grammar.
No nootropics. There are too many tardive (slow-appearing) adverse effects from any interventions to modulate neurotransmitter signalling, from tardive dyskinesia with antipsychotics to tardive dysphoria with antidepressants (where I have much painful experience*). The brain does its high-wire balancing act by integrating a lot of inputs, and will compensate with oft-bad consequences when we tug. I'm a frequent contributor at the the Longecity forums, and have witnessed many complaints of tardive effects with a variety of putative nootropics. The nootropic self-experimenters there respond by cycling between nootropics that affect different neurotransmitter systems, but it always seemed like a lot of expense for disappointing results.
*BTW, before anyone starts down the long descending road of pharmaceutical depression treatment, I strongly recommend working on the trinity of daily exercise, regular sleep, and conviviality/social networks. I can see using drugs with acute episodes, but there are better options for that than the slow-acting SSRIs, like dissociatives in inpatient settings.
― Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link
how do i get abs in 6 weeks or less, solely through adjusting my diet but without cutting out beer
― Treeship, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
∞, i grew up in pretty restrictive food environment - very plain meat+veg, must eat everything on the plate or sit at the table all night till you do, candy was an extravagance, etc. so when i left home, i just became a terrible eater. i was a chubby kid - not fat, even though my mother told me i was - but at 16 i suddenly lost my appetite and then lost a ton of weight (then she accused me of being anorexic!). i was eating, but not as much. so until i was in my mid-twenties i would binge-starve - not with intention, but i ate what i wanted when i wanted, so sometimes i might not consume anything for a week except cups of tea and a couple of candy bars. then i might sit down with my friend on a monday night to watch tv and eat an entire 250g block of chocolate, + triple cream brie with crackers. i just didn't care! i maintained a pretty slender weight throughout this period, so i didn't bother learning to care.
i'm also a really picky eater, and by that i mean there are some foods i literally can't put in my mouth or i start gagging. texture is often a problem for me as well.
i figure i've fucked my metabolism from years of this way of eating. i started putting on weight when i moved to the US 8 yrs ago, and then when i went on antidepressants 2.5 yrs ago, my weight increased quickly (20lbs!!). i'm in my mid thirties now, i can't afford to be so disinterested in my health anymore.
the low energy thing - i've had my blood worked up, nothing there :/ but i've had moderate insomnia for about the last 3-4 years, so that's probably a big factor. drugs aren't really helping much.
i'm gonna see this out for another two weeks and if i haven't noticed much of a difference, i'll try a modified version.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
even if i notice a big difference, this isn't a sustainable lifestyle for me - i would probably keep at it for a year or so, and then try to eat like a normal healthy person. i'm using this diet as a sort of reset button, i guess.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
well i'm not even going to pretend i have some solution or have experience with your situation, but i sympathise
i'm a fan of adjusting/tailoring your diet to how your body responds to it
when i moved to the states, my sodium levels/blood pressure did shoot up. i don't particularly like salty foods and notice it's every where in los angeles. if i go out to eat i make sure to balance that out within the week by eating less salty things (which i usually do anyway) or by eating different/healthy things to counter that sodium. i try not to eat out more than two days a week, as well
insomnia/lack of sleep does horrible things to your body, including your diet, right? hope you find something that works for you
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
For insomnia: exercise, no lights (especially bluish ones) past bedtime, supplemental melatonin and try the sweet amino acid glycine in your tea.
― Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link
As for "abs in 6 weeks, solely through adjusting my diet but without cutting out beer", I can't help, but there are some experimental myostatin inhibitors that are being examined for frailty/sarcopenia that will be the next banned drug for strenth athletes.
This is what being born without endogenous myostatin does:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xRzQqYv2hBo/VQVDJ-omr_I/AAAAAAAAIRU/ZO4DJ7GX7yI/s1600/bd.png
― Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:35 (seven years ago) link
consume nothing but beer until abs appear.
― ryan, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
treeship just do like a thousand crunches a day
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:03 (seven years ago) link
Xps it's been long enough that I've already tried all that stuff and a lot more, sanpaku
― just1n3, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
tha brodawg needs leg days asap
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link
Thinking about nn'ing this year. I'll have to go back through the archives. To study you, to eat as you do, to become a nutrition nazi. Any particularly "classic" posts?
― how's life, Thursday, 31 March 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link
the whole original thread, featuring cutty, filled me with envy. i loved the idea of his insane routine. i hope he is keeping up with it.
― Treeship, Thursday, 31 March 2016 17:59 (seven years ago) link
(7227 of them)
okaaaay, I'll check back in with you guys next month.
― how's life, Thursday, 31 March 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link
sad eyed dog plaintively asks how much ya bench
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 31 March 2016 18:12 (seven years ago) link
one word: sardines
― U.S. (brownie), Thursday, 31 March 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link
xps to how's life: cut the sodium waaaaaaaaay down. use something like cronometer.com to start getting an idea of the nutritional content of the foods you typically eat.
so i just spoke to an old acquaintance who's gone through various iterations of veganism for the last 18 years or so, including fruitarian, 80/10/10, raw till 4, and she gave me some sensible advice and a bunch of links. i'm gonna stop trying to force down so many fruit calories, and ease way off the high amount of starchy carbs rawtill4 recommends.
one issue i have is with leafy greens and especially bitter greens: i can handle raw, undressed greens like spinach and lettuce in a smoothie, but not really the amount needed, and i definitely cannot stomach eating bitter greens. what to do???
― just1n3, Thursday, 31 March 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
sodium is delicious
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 31 March 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link
i know :/
― just1n3, Thursday, 31 March 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link
don't make yourself eat shit you don't like
― #amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Thursday, 31 March 2016 22:16 (seven years ago) link
Cooked greens are much less bitter - if you blanch them in boiling water before smoothy-ing the flavor isn't as strong. Ditto a quick saute/wilt if you're eating them whole. If you want to mask a lot of greens flavor, IME, putting in a half a lemon does wonders in smoothies.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 31 March 2016 22:18 (seven years ago) link
Sodium may not be the bugbear we once thought. I wrote this elsewhere:
Salt intake recommendations have become more controversial of late. A number of recent studies suggest heath risks are associated with both high and low sodium intake, and arguably lowest overall in the 2.5-6 g intake range that most consume: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. High salt-intake is still associated with hypertension and stroke risk in salt-sensitive populations like African-Americans, but low-salt intake (even just the AHA recommended range) may have its own hazards. From Reducing Salt Intake for Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease—Times Are Changing:"Sodium restriction low enough to decrease blood pressure also stimulates sympathetic tone, attenuates insulin sensitivity, activates the renin-angiotensin system, and stimulates aldosterone secretion. The antagonistic nature of these physiological responses probably antagonizes the blood pressure lowering effect of dietary sodium restriction and might increase rather than weaken the cardiovascular risk."This meta-analysis of low-sodium intervention studies offers a long list of effects, both positive and negative:"Sodium reduction resulted in a significant decrease in BP of 1% (normotensives), 3.5% (hypertensives), and a significant increase in plasma renin, plasma aldosterone, plasma adrenaline, and plasma noradrenaline, a 2.5% increase in cholesterol, and a 7% increase in triglyceride" Estimating benefits from salt reduction while considering only BP (as in 10, 11, 12) doesn't reflect this more complex situation, or the J-shaped risk curve seen in the aggregate of studies. Reverse causation in hypertensive patients would cause serious issues with these studies, which is why the large-scale prospective studies often exclude individuals with CVD at baseline. In the recent PURE study, for example, the increased risk at low sodium intakes was robust when all participants with a history CVD, cancer, diabetes, or smoking were excluded. I anticipate that recommended salt intakes will remain contentious - there are entrenched viewpoints, and back and forth accusations of statistical manipulation seethe from the pages. A reasonable conclusion from my reading is that while all groups would benefit from lowering sodium intake below 6 g/d, intakes under 2.5 g/d benefit those with hypertension while increasing risk in those with congestive heart failure and diabetics. For reference, American sodium intake has averaged 3.5 g for decades.The average blood pressure response to sodium is small (2 mm Hg / 2.3 g Na in normotensives), compared to other dietary components like added sugars, and hugely variable between individuals . I think this is a topic where perhaps the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good, and while consuming salt in moderation we can perhaps focus on other factors with more consistent results, like reducing added sugars and increasing potassium intake with more tubers and greens.
High salt-intake is still associated with hypertension and stroke risk in salt-sensitive populations like African-Americans, but low-salt intake (even just the AHA recommended range) may have its own hazards. From Reducing Salt Intake for Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease—Times Are Changing:
"Sodium restriction low enough to decrease blood pressure also stimulates sympathetic tone, attenuates insulin sensitivity, activates the renin-angiotensin system, and stimulates aldosterone secretion. The antagonistic nature of these physiological responses probably antagonizes the blood pressure lowering effect of dietary sodium restriction and might increase rather than weaken the cardiovascular risk."
This meta-analysis of low-sodium intervention studies offers a long list of effects, both positive and negative:
"Sodium reduction resulted in a significant decrease in BP of 1% (normotensives), 3.5% (hypertensives), and a significant increase in plasma renin, plasma aldosterone, plasma adrenaline, and plasma noradrenaline, a 2.5% increase in cholesterol, and a 7% increase in triglyceride"
Estimating benefits from salt reduction while considering only BP (as in 10, 11, 12) doesn't reflect this more complex situation, or the J-shaped risk curve seen in the aggregate of studies. Reverse causation in hypertensive patients would cause serious issues with these studies, which is why the large-scale prospective studies often exclude individuals with CVD at baseline. In the recent PURE study, for example, the increased risk at low sodium intakes was robust when all participants with a history CVD, cancer, diabetes, or smoking were excluded.
I anticipate that recommended salt intakes will remain contentious - there are entrenched viewpoints, and back and forth accusations of statistical manipulation seethe from the pages. A reasonable conclusion from my reading is that while all groups would benefit from lowering sodium intake below 6 g/d, intakes under 2.5 g/d benefit those with hypertension while increasing risk in those with congestive heart failure and diabetics. For reference, American sodium intake has averaged 3.5 g for decades.
The average blood pressure response to sodium is small (2 mm Hg / 2.3 g Na in normotensives), compared to other dietary components like added sugars, and hugely variable between individuals . I think this is a topic where perhaps the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good, and while consuming salt in moderation we can perhaps focus on other factors with more consistent results, like reducing added sugars and increasing potassium intake with more tubers and greens.
― Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Friday, 1 April 2016 00:22 (seven years ago) link
Whoa! Just got to a point where I realized (remembered?) Sanpaku = Derelict!
Getting kinda excited about sardines.
― how's life, Friday, 1 April 2016 13:44 (seven years ago) link
Thanks milo!
Lol harbl - eating only what I want is what landed me in this position! ;)
― just1n3, Friday, 1 April 2016 13:47 (seven years ago) link
the risky, bad-for-you dietary salt is generally that cached away in preservatives. table salt is considered very low risk, at least w/r/t BP and CV disease.
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 1 April 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
j i get what you mean but that's the opposite of what i said! not eat whatever you want all the time (lol but i do this) but if you don't want to eat something, don't eat it. you only have so much brain fuel with which to do these will power exercises. there are plenty of other nutritious foods to eat instead. i kinda think you should cook them but it's your lyfe~~~~
― #amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Friday, 1 April 2016 23:38 (seven years ago) link
FYI, Sanpaku = former-Derelict, now sober & smoke free.
― Unyielding Dispair Foundation Repair, LLC (Sanpaku), Friday, 1 April 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
i've officially given up on this damn fruit/starch diet. i gave it over 3 weeks and got nothing good out of it - no change in energy levels, quality or quantity of sleep, nothing. actually, the only differences i noticed were that my skin got worse and i got constipated. which do not seem like good signs that a lifestyle change is beneficial to my health.
i'm trying to get an appt with a dietitian to address my specific issues, but kaiser wants me to take a bunch of fucking classes instead, which i am not down for. it's gonna be the status quo food pyramid bullshit and no personalization, plus i hate group stuff. i'm a lone wolf, maaaaan.
― just1n3, Saturday, 16 April 2016 05:54 (seven years ago) link
i'd be happy to contact my rd friend to try and connect with you if you like. she is one of the most amazing people i've ever met\/ don't think she'd feel put out (too much). pm me if you like
― Edgard Varese is god (of music anyways) (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 17 April 2016 02:07 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, the Kaiser model is statistically based, so if a certain approach works 85% of the time, you must be subjected to it and prove that it failed for you before anyone is allowed to try any other approach with you. You can see why this is a scientifically sound methodology, but it sucks if you are in any way atypical and understand how your case differs from the statistical norm.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 17 April 2016 03:24 (seven years ago) link
xps thankyou ODM! but i think it's just not the diet for me. i think lots of different extreme or semi extreme diets work, but only for certain people.
― just1n3, Sunday, 17 April 2016 04:15 (seven years ago) link
I would be surprised if the group approach works anything like 85% of the time in the long term.
― ljubljana, Sunday, 17 April 2016 12:13 (seven years ago) link
remember this lol
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 18 November 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link
i want to change the way i eat and live. making a vegan stir fry tonight. BUT also drinking a Sixpoint Resin so
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 18 November 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
i wish i could get hypnotized out of my love of IPAs. they're one of my only true dietary vices but they mess so much up--in the morning i will feel dehydrated and won't want to go running
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 18 November 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
unfortunately i do remember this
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 18 November 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link
it seems like "nutrition nazis" is a self-defeating way to think about eating healthier. you gotta crave the good feelings that comes from health, not fetishize the fact that you're denying yourself foods that make you feel bad and hurt your health
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 18 November 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link
how many times does it need to be said?!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 18 November 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link
i guess over and over until no one affixes "nazi" to the word "nutrition" anymore
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 18 November 2018 23:40 (five years ago) link
Mostly I smirked thinking of the Great Sardine Stan of whatever year it was.
There was a LOT of talk about sardines at one point.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 19 November 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
"Soup nazi" is funny til real nazis start killing worshipers and protesters.
― Sanpaku, Monday, 19 November 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
sardines are our only hope
― brownie, Monday, 19 November 2018 00:10 (five years ago) link
i never thought it was very funny to minimize nazism to imply strictness or whatever it is supposed to implyi didn't like soup nazi either
there was a straight up sardine obsession herealso those horrible slimy yam "noodles"
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 19 November 2018 00:10 (five years ago) link
Treeship have you tried something like Liquid IV? Would help with the hydration issues.
― just1n3, Monday, 19 November 2018 00:11 (five years ago) link
In an era when western right wing governments are calorie counting and implementing "popular" policies that subject "undeserving" sections of the population to much lower levels of nutrition than the majority and forcing them into charity foodbanks - that's the definition of Nutrition Nazis for me.
― calzino, Monday, 19 November 2018 00:23 (five years ago) link
talk to me about intermittent fasting. am I going to turn into a libertarian doofus like j03 r0g4n
― PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Sunday, 10 March 2019 19:33 (five years ago) link
what do you expect to gain from intermittent fasting?
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:02 (five years ago) link
I've looked into it. I think its beneficial but not enough to override an otherwise bad diet, and its effects are wildly overstated by proponents.
Much of the cellular response to fasting doesn't occur without 3+ days of water-only or very hypercaloric nutrition, and I think the most interesting and adoptable fasting inspired approach is the fasting mimicking diet, 5+ days of a < 1000 kcal low protein diet, once a month or season.
― contains pieces the size of a child's esophagus (Sanpaku), Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:54 (five years ago) link
― nathom, Sunday, 10 March 2019 21:00 (five years ago) link
I have been meaning to eat sardines for like three months now but have not gotten around to it #NNfailure
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 10 March 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
I bought sardines thinking I would finally do the avocado on bread thing and I kept looking at the can and thinking of all the million things I would like to eat before I put those oily fishes in my mouth
#nnfail
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 10 March 2019 23:47 (five years ago) link
advice: spread bread with tomato paste or passata, arrange fish on top, grate some cheese, grind pepper, grill
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 11 March 2019 07:20 (five years ago) link
Damn need to try this!
― nathom, Monday, 11 March 2019 07:58 (five years ago) link
lol, every time I walk past sardines in the grocery store I think about how ilx would want me to eat those.
― ☮ (peace, man), Monday, 11 March 2019 10:05 (five years ago) link
oh, gave me another idea what to do w/harissa. ty, MatthewK! i don't eat 'em that often but when i do i usu get smoked sardines. dang, part of the reason i like them is bc i thought they were a sustainable seafood option. just looked on montereybayseafoodwatch and it seems they are not https://www.seafoodwatch.org/seafood-recommendations/groups/sardine?q=Sardine
― The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Monday, 11 March 2019 12:47 (five years ago) link
I love sardines with grey poupon.
― Yerac, Monday, 11 March 2019 13:54 (five years ago) link
Bitter greens: Sautee, add minced garlic, lemon juice. Voila, now they tasted like sauteed garlic and lemon!
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:23 (five years ago) link
I think Pacific sardines are considered a sustainable fish, Atlantic are not. I usually buy the Wild Planet brand, no sure how widely available it is.
― Ari (whenuweremine), Monday, 11 March 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link
is any fish sustainable anymore
― gbx, Monday, 11 March 2019 16:57 (five years ago) link
A few fisheries are managed to maximize tonnage caught while theoretically not decreasing future stocks. And by a few, I mean just the ones listed as "best choices" in Monterrey Bay Aquarium's consumer guides.
Even the catch of Peruvian sardines has declined. Fish oil plants lay fallow, and the price is high enough that sardine meal is no longer a major component of cat food and farmed salmon feed.
― contains pieces the size of a child's esophagus (Sanpaku), Monday, 11 March 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
i would buy arctic char but have never seen it in stores in Calif. i used to purchase a lot of it when my job was purchaser though. it's a v nice alt. to salmon/trout (not really crazy about trout tbh). would be happy to live on scallops, oysters and sand dabs
― The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Monday, 11 March 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
I have objections to some of these in the "good choices" category. Gulf shrimp, for example, requires dragging nets over the seabed, and that destroys habitat for juveniles of finfish.
Re: nutrition, I delved into the seafood components most likely to provide direct benefit (not just by displacing red/processed meat). Its likely just long chain omega-3s (EPA/DHA) and taurine. There are vegan supplement alternatives.
― contains pieces the size of a child's esophagus (Sanpaku), Monday, 11 March 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link
I still viscerally loathe this thread title.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 11 March 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link
We can request a mod to change it, yeah?
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 11 March 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
I did a couple of weight loss bets where I did intermittent fasting and it worked pretty well. IDK about the supposed health benefits (besides eating less overall) but I will say after a week or so you get used to it
― frogbs, Monday, 11 March 2019 21:50 (five years ago) link
I was doing 24-48 hour fasting every week to other weekish, depending on how I felt or my plans, for about two years. It was fine. I usually tried to do it mon-tues or thurs-fri while I was at work so I would be busy and have a routine.
― Yerac, Monday, 11 March 2019 21:58 (five years ago) link
It sucked at first but I eventually got so used to it I could still work out the morning of the third day before having my first real meal to eat. Hmmm, this all sounds very crazy.
― Yerac, Monday, 11 March 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link
yeah 48 hours sounds tough but 24 is really no problem, I skip breakfast most days anyway so it's just a matter of skipping lunch really. it doesn't really affect you as much as you'd think.
― frogbs, Monday, 11 March 2019 22:06 (five years ago) link
wtf 48 hours??? working out the morning of the third day before finally eating?
why u do this?
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 11 March 2019 22:46 (five years ago) link
i mean "food restriction thread" is accurate -- there is nothing in here specifically about nutrition and personally i am opposed to " _____ nazi" anything
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 11 March 2019 22:49 (five years ago) link
doesn't matter what i think, it's just inaccurate and also (imo) offensive
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 11 March 2019 22:51 (five years ago) link
I know it sounds nutty but this is when I was in really really good shape and eating basically the Tom Brady diet. If I fasted on thurs and fri I had a saturday morning kickboxing class that I really liked so I would go to that first before eating my breakfast. Technically I was consuming 200-300 calories on those fasting days spread throughout (like small amounts of green juice) so it was soothing and I never really felt lightheaded or sick or whatever. I was just looking up my bloodwork from those years and things like my cholesterol were insanely good.
― Yerac, Monday, 11 March 2019 22:59 (five years ago) link
I used to have one meal a day. Just worked out easier. I was never lightheaded. Now w a family, it wld be anti-social (?) to do that really.
― nathom, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 00:16 (five years ago) link
not sure where to put this. i think it's interesting. but then got to the end and, uggh:
Companies such as Nestlé are investing heavily in functional food ingredients, dietary supplements, and medical nutrition products in order to be able to provide foodservice operators with more options when it comes to the ingredients and products they can supply.
https://www.restaurant.org/Articles/News/The-restaurant-of-the-future?fbclid=IwAR3mgUvolkgihzf57S5z2q2AepUMxL17dgeo7jZY8GU2uBRBjsW60Ak7iDM
― one charm and one antiup quark (outdoor_miner), Monday, 30 December 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
lads... sardines
― ||||||||, Monday, 30 December 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
lol, every time I walk past sardines in the grocery store I think about how ilx would want me to eat those.― ☮ (peace, man), Monday, March 11, 2019 6:05 AM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― ☮ (peace, man), Monday, March 11, 2019 6:05 AM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink
After buying several tins of sardines over the years, which would inevitably waste away in the back of the cabinet, I finally cracked a tin this morning and am eating them with lemon juice. This is not bad at all. Can definitely include these in my healthy food options.
When I gave up vegetarianism several years ago, I was sick and fucking tired of beans, and have avoided them to a large extent since then. However, last year my daughter was diagnosed with some food issues, so she has been eating black beans every single night. So recently, I started throwing a can of beans a day into the mix somewhere for myself. As a guy who struggles with excessive snacking, they're remarkably satiating.
― peace, man, Thursday, 20 April 2023 15:49 (eleven months ago) link
You guys, I've recently taken up swimming in addition to the sardines and on those days when I happen to combine those two activities, I feel like a motherfucking PENGUIN.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 22:51 (ten months ago) link
Yes! Best sardines I’ve had so far are the Bella brand. Also Trader Joe’s has some good ones imo - although a bit salty tasting.
― brownie, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 23:06 (ten months ago) link
Bela! Not Bella.
― brownie, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 23:08 (ten months ago) link
Yes! I've had a few cans of theirs. I like the piri-piri ones best. I buy them as treats though, because they are the most expensive in my supermarket ($4 vs $3 for King Oscar, I think, which isn't that much, but whatever). I had a ridiculous time trying to open a can of Brunswick sardines, so I don't think I'll try them again.
― peace, man, Thursday, 25 May 2023 00:44 (ten months ago) link
thinking about this thread today
PEOPLE IT IS TIME TO START WRITING ABOUT YOGURT h/t @RonCharles pic.twitter.com/y4AVKClMXG— Lisa Lucas (@likaluca) September 6, 2023
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 September 2023 03:41 (six months ago) link
I was just thinking yesterday how funny it is that our generation has started a business for expensive superfoods, when people are otherwise incited to make such poor choices. The stats for average added sugar consumption always fascinate me. They're probably not the same people buying açai berries or chia seeds, but still.
Although now the news is all about people reducing their number of meals and going for worse options to survive the inflation. And I'm like, worse than what ? The town was already discounters, kebap and burger places.
― Nabozo, Thursday, 7 September 2023 09:21 (six months ago) link
Oh, and seeing the discussion above, at the last baby shower / bbq I attended, someone came with fifty fresh sardines on a tray. For a party of 20 people already overloaded with things to eat. Some people take their food seriously.
― Nabozo, Thursday, 7 September 2023 09:26 (six months ago) link
I'm trying to think of the healthiest things we're eating regularly:- Rucola salads with grated feta, cucumber, diced watermelon, roasted pumpkin seeds- Homemade tofu summer rolls (cucumber, carrot, rice noodles, non-salted peanuts, sesame seeds, mint, secret peanut butter sauce)- Chole masala (also chickpea couscous salad, bean stew in wraps)- Avo toasts / sandwiches obv (avo, cucumber, boiled egg preferred combination)- Greek yoghurt muesli with cereals, fruit, linseed oil (my default lunch when there's no time)
And undercooked salmon which is why I have now had diarrhea for three days.
― Nabozo, Thursday, 7 September 2023 09:37 (six months ago) link