Steve Jobs RIP 1955-2011

AP confirms with Apple: http://twitter.com/AP/statuses/121730495347294208

wow. rip.

CUPERTINO, Calif., Oct 05, 2011 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- We are deeply saddened to announce that Steve Jobs passed away today.

Steve's brilliance, passion and energy were the source of countless innovations that enrich and improve all of our lives. The world is immeasurably better because of Steve.

His greatest love was for his wife, Laurene, and his family. Our hearts go out to them and to all who were touched by his extraordinary gifts.

Well damn.

And of course I learn about it via an iPhone.

Whoa. RIP.

damn. how sad. rip.

FUCK

r.i.p. steve :(

a tribute here too: http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/

FUCK FUCK FUCK

heaven needed a blue backdrop and an angel in a black turtleneck standing before it

Wow. RIP.

this was hardly unforseen but it seems really momentous to me in a way that few celeb deaths really do, RIP

(no offense bert jansch)

hmmm

local ABC affiliate broke into "Jeopardy" for a special report -- the anchor did a whole like 30 second intro about "the passing of a man who has changed the way we all live our lives" before saying who actually died so it was weirdly anticlimactic like oh really ok. i mean i know he's pretty famous but kinda surprises me how much they built it up.

Jjj otm. Shouldn't feel as sad as it does. RIP.

*bites tongue*

i mean RIP obviously, ilu and everything your company makes mr. jobs (xpost)

RIP. An amazing aesthetic and business life.

CBS just cut in for special report. Woah at that first Mac ad with the sledgehammer through the screen.

takin' them New Balance shoes to Buddhist iHeaven

RIP Big Guy.

See, I don't get the sad thing (I rarely do with celebrity deaths), but I totally get the momentous thing.

(a few xposts)

willy wonka :(

emil.y otm

See, I don't get the sad thing (I rarely do with celebrity deaths), but I totally get the momentous thing.

I agree with this btw. xp

RIP

also, might be symbolic

Sad as hell (and way too early, obviously) but this dude racked up far more than a lifetime's worth of world-changing achievements. Hopefully the overwhelming tragedy of all this is balanced by just how much he got done.

Wow. A good deal of my friends here have worked under him in some capacity, so this is so weird. RIP

this was hardly unforseen but it seems really momentous to me in a way that few celeb deaths really do, RIP

otm

the world in which I live & the world in which I work bear evidence of his importance - literally every day I'm doing stuff I'd be doing differently had he not lived. also, cancer is a fucking brutal horrible thing and this guy should have lived a lot longer so that's salt in the wound.

Yeah prob not sad, but R6 have been banging the John Peel drum for a while and this was just thing to set me off. I want to go and watch Toy Story now tbh.

rip

if you think about it, his final genius act on earth was taking palin out of the news cycle

speechless

sent from my iPad ):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc

When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: "If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right." It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: "If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.

Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.

<3 <3 <3

might be the beginning of the end for Apple, too.

fuck cancer you guys

RIP

i'm planning on buying my first ever apple laptop soon. RIP

rip

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljhqxelrIO1qam384o1_500.jpg

Where I'm sitting I can count 6 apple devices. At least he probably had a pretty good life living off of my paycheck. RIP.

"If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.

This is so so worth meditating on, always. Death really sharpens the perspective.

i dunno, like most major multinationals apple got rich by manufacturing its products in places where workers are paid shit and don't have rights. i guess we're in the realm of the contradicions of capitalism here.

i feel like the sleekness/minimalist design/logic of personal "productivity" with which jobs so astutely worked to associate apple has kind of shielded apple partisans from recognizing that apple is as implicated in the realities of global exploitation as much or more than the next corporation.

i mean jobs seems real interesting and important and stuff but people seem to be treating him like he won the nobel prize or something

might be the beginning of the end for Apple, too.

― nostormo, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:01 PM (7 minutes ago)

I'd like to know what orifice you're pulling this out of, but not on this thread. Maybe over here...? New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

also following your heart not always the best idea

agree the stuff he says in that speech seems like the same old "carp diem" graduation-speech mush.

a wife and three kids, and the youngest is 13. and that's the sad thing here.

carpE

xpost

yes

http://www.classymommy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/sad-mac1.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rco9xujjAak

wow, the guardian has gone for an extraordinarily grudging opening to the second par of its obituary:

The iPod, iPhone and iPad were all relatively late to market, were expensive, and, in their initial versions, lacked important features.

a bit lacking in vision, or perspective.

amateurist pretty otm.

"Massively Successful Person Tells a Bunch of Mediocre College Graduates to Follow Their Dreams, Seize the Day," News at 11.

:-(

apple.com looks very tasteful at the moment

simple black and white, minimalist

RIP

mediocre? that's stanford!

"people seem to be treating him like he won the nobel prize or something"
to be fair, there are probably actual nobel laureates who aren't as deserving.

i know, i'm fooling a bit. i dunno i guess i'm a bit skeptical of the "well i followed my dream and it made me a very very rich man, so you should just go ahead and do whatever comes into your head each day"

Although PARC invented it, Xerox let the GUI/mouse interface gather dust on a shelf. Jobs brought the GUI to the masses with the original Macintosh. For that alone he deserves tremendous recognition. I get the idea he was much more excited about bringing cool toys to life than he was about money. RIP.

My entire professional life has pretty much been attached like a remora fish to Apple so I've always been hoping for the day when Jobs would mercilessly pick apart some software I authored. Sorta like having the honor of being defeated by a samurai master.

sorry to get all trolly, apple has made some visionary products etc. and he seemed like a nice if kind of pompous guy and it's sad that anyone should die leaving a young family behind.

i know, i'm fooling a bit. i dunno i guess i'm a bit skeptical of the "well i followed my dream and it made me a very very rich man, so you should just go ahead and do whatever comes into your head each day"

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:20 (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Fair point, but this guy was arguably more Edison than Edison. At the very least it's a notable death.

no argument there! i think a fair analysis of jobs would be more charitable than i'm being.

"toys" is OTM

gruber keeps revising his post, but: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/05/steve

Does Gruber have a reason to live now?

I mean he has a wife and kids

so don't be flip

jobs is amazing to me as a story of corporate resurrection,l ... ipods / ipads / iphones have changed the world, but in a meaningful and positive way? bit of a stretch, i think.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/business/steve-jobs-of-apple-dies-at-56.html?pagewanted=all

meaningful and positive

"ipods / ipads / iphones have changed the world, but in a meaningful and positive way?"

yeah, open to debate

like i wonder if kary mullis will receive this level of attention when he dies

MobileMe has gone down in tribute.

"If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something."

This is terrible advice. On the other hand, Jobs helped the folks at Apple make a lot of products I really like and that I use every day, and he always seemed to me to have managed to balance on that unstable, wobbly point midway between "who needs a new-fangled gadget?" and "follow me to the techno-utopia that starts next tuesday, whole world will be altered"

http://allthingsd.com/20111005/bill-gates-i-will-miss-steve-immensely/

For those of us lucky enough to get to work with him, it’s been an insanely great honor

<3 <3 <3

love that

maybe that's just how the world works, every one knows Henry ford and lee iacocca and maybe tucker but what about daimler? benini? and barnett?

fuck cancer you guys

― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:03 (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

"ipods / ipads / iphones have changed the world, but in a meaningful and positive way?"

sometimes you have to envision a world where obama didn't win to appreciate obama.

"If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something."

it's the kind of thing a guy with a personal fortune can afford to say/think.

also yeah, fuck cancer. the stanford speech is moving despite the cant.

I dont get ppls distaste at that quote. It doesnt have to imply "go out and change the world", its about personal achievement in whatever form, jeez.

Unless all buddhists are wealthy or I donno.

XP

in that world my aspie cousins are hooked on ham radio instead of farmville, kids plagiarize the encyclopedia instead of google, and i have a walkman and maps in my glove compartment

and a thinkpad in my backpack

ILX rip threads always draw assholes. Didn't expect this one to be different.

And me being me, I muttered a bit.

^ good words

mad respect for this dude, RIP.

assholes? who's being an asshole?

Not you.

yeah i didn't think so either

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/steve-jobs-dead-apple-confirms-former-ceo-loses-fight-20111006-1lag8.html

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like when bill gates dies is it okay to say windows wasn't such a big deal that he deserved forty billion dollars?

Who says Bill Gates is ever going to die?

sorry if anyone thinks i'm being an asshole. a guy died and that's sad. people like apple and i know it. i like their products too. but they are consumer products, designed to be obsolescent after a few years and manufactured by cheap labor in asia.

this thread doesn't exist because jobs was a nice guy we all knew. it exists because jobs was a public figure, who was an important part of a company that has had a big effect on the way we live our lives. so the nature of his legacy seems like exactly the thing to be talking about.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/steve-jobs-dead-apple-confirms-former-ceo-loses-fight-20111006-1lag8.html

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― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:45 (4 seconds ago) Bookmark

Steve Jobs still dead! Pictures at ten

honestly unless the thread is just one endless "RIP Steve Jobs" what else are we going to talk about? how my MacBook shuts down sometimes when it's supposed to just go to sleep?

zuckerberg: http://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10100100934727791

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world, though. iphone world definitely beats ham radio britannica world.

steve jobs is dead and chuck berry's still alive. that's kind of weird to me.

xxxpost a little tasteless, sorry

If you want to criticize a western corporation for manufacturing on the cheap in Asia, get in line. No reason to hash it out in this particular thread, though. many xps

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http://searchenginewatch.com/utils/icache/imgurl/300_225/c/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcms.searchenginewatch.com%2FIMG%2F650%2F173650%2Fchevy-chase-jpg.jpg%3F1304539002&image.jpg

more like overseas jobs

"efforts" doesnt really cover the extent of the bill & melinda gates foundation

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world,

The existence of windows is what keeps a roof over my head, so fuck that noise.

<3

http://www.pitchfork.com/news/44218-rip-steve-jobs/

If you want to criticize a western corporation for manufacturing on the cheap in Asia, get in line. No reason to hash it out in this particular thread, though. many xps

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:50 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what exactly is your problem with my mentioning this stuff on this thread? it helps to keep things in perspective. maybe i'm being a horrible troll without realizing it. if so, i sincerely apologize. but it seems that apple's business practices are as much a part of jobs's legacy as the GUI or the iphone or whatever. at least they would be in a rational analysis.

I don't think amst. has risen to the level of assholism itt, for what it's worth.

but it's apple factories w/ the high suicide rate, not nike factories

amateurist killin it

RIP, guy who developed stuff I don't use

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

Bert Jansch is to Steve Jobs as Sky Saxon is to Michael Jackson.

As someone who's been called out on RIP threads before, I'll defend amateurist: what better place to evaluate a man's legacy without being nasty about it?

rip

even tho he was very ill, this is still weird and stunning

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:55 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark

that may be true -- i don't know much about internal corporate decision-making/culture of apple.

'"efforts" doesnt really cover the extent of the bill & melinda gates foundation'
i mean efforts in the sense that I applaud Bill's intent more than his application. There's some rightful criticism that Jobs hasn't used his wealth in an equally effortful way but the more I read about how the Gates foundation has gone about applying the money, I feel less certain that it's in the right hands.

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:55 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry, this is complete bullshit, he was a ceo

like i wonder if kary mullis will receive this level of attention when he dies

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:31 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

heh, i mean, to be fair, steve jobs hasnt been talking up aids denialism for the last decade

larry page: https://plus.google.com/106189723444098348646/posts/4wkYwTCCgAc

the moment after someone's death isn't really the place for a "rational analysis" of anything, amateurist

i.e. if you really want to have that discussion, about apple's business practices, you are not going to get it here right now

full disclosure: my nonprofit workplace was made possible by B&MGF so i am naturally biased

i know that, tracer. but how does that translate to it being a bad idea to mention it?

Just re the suicides in Apple's factories, afaik Apple did more than most companies to enforce standards of human decency in those factories. Not saying it's the best they could have done but it's better than most actually do.

http://i.imgur.com/2bYCM.jpg

what if it's an RIP QADDAFI thread?

steve jobs WAS kind of an asshole sometimes, guys. not a saint. otoh most of the people who worked with him seem to talk about him in terms of being one of those needed-to-be-an-asshole-to-get-shit-done types not a man-who-fell-to-earth aspie asshole type like big bill g.

also kinda smdh at everyone using a mouse or a trackpad to click "submit post" saying "what's the big deal"

re: bad corp practices, I dunno, it's a fair critique to level against a CEO as hands-on as Jobs and whose expression is bound up in how the company operates. Alice Waters would get the same guff, no?

::sigh:: i know why ppl feel *emotional* about this but i won't be holding my breath for the next outpouring of grief for the ceo of a top 50 company in the fortune 500 and that tells me all i need to know.

wikileaks showing what being an asshole when someone dies really looks like: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008

oh, sorry - it's old, but they're retweeting it.

have to take issue w/everyone h8ing on bills commencement speech, sure the one sentance everyones harping on is p boilerplate carpe diem but the other sentences surrounding it re the totality of death are well more real and otm than yr standard fare

My guess is that Bill Gates has a lot more skeletons in his closet he feels the need to make up for. Jobs always just seemed in it for the innovation. The money was gravy. The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern. His passion was in r&d and pushing technology forward. Now you may not appreciate his idea of "forward," but I honestly don't believe he was sitting in his ceo suite rubbing his fingers together like Monty Burns cracking a smile at the poor Taiwanese workers that were piecing together iMacs.

love those guys (xp)

stevewoz
Steve Wozniak

Drove around looking for today's Cupertino shooter but no luck yet. (@ Mandarin Gourmet) 4sq.com/oX3Xoh
5 hours ago

stevewoz
Steve Wozniak

Tuesday split pea soup. (@ Marie Callender's) 4sq.com/qClFnf
23 hours ago

The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern.

as a ceo, he was responsible and accountable for every activity that his company undertook. this is rupert murdoch's line of defense btw!

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsmcs7jHVT1qapxtvo1_500.jpg

btw this is SUPER dated and sometimes almost avert-your-eyes hokey, but this was my introduction to all these dorks way back when. it's actually a pretty interesting look at dude's place in the industry after the ouster but before the whole iwhatever thing brought him back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jV3JdtaOGc

Basically saying the document looks forged?

"The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern."

the cafeteria and the food they served when he came back to apple offended him, so the next day he fired them all, and now they make an awesome and cheap vegan burger -- this dude was hands-on when he wanted to be.

::sigh:: i know why ppl feel *emotional* about this but i won't be holding my breath for the next outpouring of grief for the ceo of a top 50 company in the fortune 500 and that tells me all i need to know.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

what does it tell you?

I wonder if they were actually friends or just facebook friends

OK that's a good one: obviously the guy who donated 10 or 20 billion toward improving the world is hiding his dark side

what does it tell you?

― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:08 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that people will believe whatever suits them

What a revelation!

man I just wanted to post "" in my facebook but it wouldn't let me

fuck you facebook

Fine. I've got one life, maybe 80 or so years to live it, and then I'm gone. Believing what I want to believe makes no fucking difference in how the world actually turns. xps

that people will believe whatever suits them

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:09 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

idk, i have no problem separating steve jobs from the CEOs of exxon & wells fargo

^ this

this really doesn't have to be an either/or thing yall

FWIW, Foxconn also assembles PlayStations, Wiis, and computers for HP and Dell, so everyone that uses electronics is to blame.

or from bill gates, shit

the man was a great inventor who made a lot of people's lives easier & better -- the fact that he was mega rich seems immaterial to me

I feel how I felt when Kon Satoshi died, I don't think CEO-ness or mega-rich-ness enters into it.

idk I feel like I'm reminded of cheap labor in asia every time I use my laptop, every time I tie my shows, every time I put on a shirt. seems weird to harp on that itt.

jobs was CEO of a toy company that 10% or more of the first world uses. exxon CEOs manage a basic industrial resource that at least 50% of the world relies on. bad analogy.

it's just a little weird that ppl feel so strongly about a guy whose job was making computers and gadgets that were a bit nicer than everyone else's computers and gadgets!

I make music, CAD. Apple's technology impacts what I do every damn day. For the better.

Uh, you're seriously undercutting the fact that he shrunk computers down from the size of a whole room to something you can put on a desk (and now, in your pocket).

1. Most computers and gadgets have not been made by the same dude for most of the time that computer gadgets have existed.
2. The dude died at 56 of fucking pancreatic cancer. This is something worth being upset about.

i dunno, man -- we go thru this in pretty much every RIP thread -- some ppl care about stuff others of us don't care about

i think it's pretty obvious why steve jobs was an idol to a lot of ppl, and when an idol of yours dies, it can be emotional for a bit there, even if the person is mega rich

that's why i noted that this is deeply sad for his family, silby

possible age gap thing going on here though. I am guessing that people who became adults before computers became ubiquitous are more greatly affected than those for whom the pre-computer age ended before they hit high school - just a guess tho I don't mean that in a "you whippersnappers" way or anything

ffs you chowderheads. toys? the guy basically gave us the computers we are using to dismiss him RIGHT NOW, even if they're running windows and even if he did rip the bulk off it off the parc guys.

I make music, CAD. Apple's technology impacts what I do every damn day. For the better.

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i use the phone every day and i can otm this post!

it's just a little weird that ppl feel so strongly about a guy whose job was making computers and gadgets that were a bit nicer than everyone else's computers and gadgets!

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:15 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

computers are pretty fucking amazing, they have changed the world A LOT, this guy had a hand in inventing and popularizing many of the things that we consider to just be inherent computerness, the whole story is on some level a testament to the power of mind

man nytimes story + ad seeming incongruous atm

http://i.imgur.com/qE6dD.png

aero's comments going sadly unnoticed here, but yeah, dude's products literally changed the way a major, major industry conducts its work.

RIP, no one should die of cancer this young and leave behind such a young family.

amateurist also totally otm

i don't think we need to start objectively outlining which CEOs are worth caring about and which aren't

when the CEO of exxon mobil dies i'm not really going to give a shit, even tho i use a car and a stove -- i don't think this is hard to grasp

ice cr?m and aero relentlessly otm here and i have never been an apple dude at all. this is just history we're talking.

yeah idk arguing about this just seems like nagl. Obviously everybody has some threshold for when a death affects them; if we were sad about everyone who died we'd all be sad all the time.

idk I also feel like, can we not use the death of a famous person to take the moral high ground here? especially when we are all posting from computers that are made in china?

Like, people can record an entire, releasable album on a fucking iPad. That's pretty major. The existence of ProTools made possible editing choices that Les Paul could only dream of when he ordered that 8-track machine from Ampex.

Cheap labour is why there's a burgeoning middle class in so many developing countries. In places like India and China it's now possible for more people to achieve a relatively decent standard of living. I'm not attributing this to Jobs btw. And before I get attacked, understand that this is merely a counterpoint; there's no black & white when it comes to the effects of industry in developing countries.

no moral high ground. it's a complex legacy because there is an inventor/visionary piece and there's a major, important business piece too. i don't think there's a problem with noting them both.

ffs, a dude died, he did a lot of awesome shit, he also did some of this bad shit

possible age gap thing going on here though. I am guessing that people who became adults before computers became ubiquitous are more greatly affected than those for whom the pre-computer age ended before they hit high school - just a guess tho I don't mean that in a "you whippersnappers" way or anything

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, October 5, 2011

OTM, also coming of age pre/post ipod

http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/05/stay-hungry-stay-foolish/ <-- good speech (I skimmed it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

oh it's been quoted itt, nm xp

btw also PIXAR

4 real

i am old enough to remember not having computers in middle school - at home or at school - and i feel bad that jobs died because he was an amazing businessman, but even though i own three macs, two iphones, an ipod and an ipad i find it hard to say i couldn't live w/o this stuff

that counts for at least like, 50,000 underpaid chinese workers

http://i.imgur.com/KWjuG.png

Not long before Steve Jobs’ second coming to Apple in 1996 he was giving a talk to The Stanford Graduate School of Business’ High Tech Club at the home of a student. For three hours he sat in the lotus position on the floor in front of the living-room fireplace answering questions good-naturedly. Afterwards, the host, a young MBA candidate named Steve Jurvetson, asked the legendary figure to autograph his Macintosh keyboard which had already been signed by Apple cofounder Steve Woznyak.

Steve Jobs said he’d do it, but only if first he could remove all the unnecessary keys that his successors had added in a foolish effort to make the Mac more like a Microsoft-Intel PC. He despised the long row of so-called function keys (like “F1”) and the cluster of navigational arrow keys which were clunky alternatives to the more intuitive process of using a mouse to explore menus and icons. So Jobs pulled his car keys out of his pocket and began scooping into the computer keyboard, violently disgorging all the keys that offended him. “I’m changing the world one keyboard at a time”, he said with a straight face. Only then when he had mutilated the apparatus, did he take a pen and scribble his autograph on it.

stories like this always remind me of the zen assholes thread.

I am old enough to remember not having computers AT ALL, and I cannot imagine living a life without them.

speaking of ceo/founder deaths, i have to admit that when glen "taco" bell died in 2010 i shed a tear.

kinda miffed that steve jobs gets his own thread but the guy who invented doritos only gets a threadbump.

also anyone saying they could "live without computers" should just put their money where their mouth is and grow a ted kaczynski beard already

notice i didn't say "computers"

i still think you secretly want to grow that beard

i think i could live without doritos, if cool ranch could be transferred to another snack.

its more the concept of 'cool ranch' that im into

at my orientation on the first day of college they told us what buildings the unabomber was targeting

guys the dorito guy just ripped off cool ranch from the r&d department at pringles

does pringles have prior art they can show?

marco arment: http://www.marco.org/2011/10/05/steve-jobs-dies

who is markers arment

and markers... how is it that you haven't posted... you know

otm

can't believe sarah palin and steve jobs died on the same day--what are the odds

100%

guys sarah palin just stole her personality from the r&d department at omni consumer products

Yah, she ran on iOS 3.0, was really time for her to go.

obama: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/10/05/president-obama-passing-steve-jobs-he-changed-way-each-us-sees-world

http://i.imgur.com/aNrla.png

― markers, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:45 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark

kinda bewildered at all this tbh

kinda bewildered at how you're communicating with us via telegraph tbh

The only Apple product I've ever owned was a used Mac in the '90s. But when I heard this news on the way home tonight, I totally understood its import, and knew I'd take 10 minutes tomorrow morning talking about him with my students.

<3

tim cook: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/10/05Apple-Media-Advisory.html

http://i.imgur.com/ZmxVZ.jpg

sergey brin: https://plus.google.com/109813896768294978296/posts/dwmWyNSoXTh

walt mossberg: http://allthingsd.com/20111005/the-steve-jobs-i-knew/

that photo is awesome

Apple IIc manual

read mossberg's piece btw

i am doing so atm and it has some good stuff in there

Jobs is a perfect example of a guy whose products I use every day but about whose life and accomplishments I know nothing. I wouldn't even have known his name until a couple of years ago.

Which means I need to read a few good obits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:25

lmao

To my knowledge, the only tech conference Steve Jobs regularly appeared at, the only event he didn’t somehow control, was our All Things Digital conferences, where he appeared repeatedly for unrehearsed, onstage interviews. We had one rule that really bothered him: we never allowed slides, which were his main presentation tool.

One year, about an hour before his appearance, I was informed that he was backstage preparing dozens of slides, even though I had reminded him a week earlier of the no-slides policy. I asked two of his top aides to tell him he couldn’t use the slides, but they each said they couldn’t do it, that I had to. So I went backstage and told him the slides were out. Famously prickly, he could have stormed out, refused to go on. And he did try to argue with me. But, when I insisted, he just said “OK.” And he went on stage without them, and was, as usual, the audience’s favorite speaker.

For our fifth D Conference, both Steve and his longtime rival, the brilliant Bill Gates, surprisingly agreed to a joint appearance, their first extended onstage joint interview ever. But it almost got derailed.
Earlier in the day, before Gates arrived, I did a solo onstage interview with Jobs, and asked him what it was like to be a major Windows developer, since Apple’s iTunes program was by then installed on hundreds of millions of Windows PC. He quipped: “It’s like giving a glass of ice water to someone in Hell.” When Gates later arrived and heard about the comment, he was, naturally, enraged, because my partner Kara Swisher and I had assured both men that we hoped to keep the joint session on a high plane.

In a pre-interview meeting, Gates said to Jobs “so I guess I’m the representative from Hell.” Jobs merely handed Gates a cold bottle of water he was carrying. The tension was broken, and the interview was a triumph, with both men acting like statesmen. When it was over, the audience rose in a standing ovation, some of them in tears.

looool

alright, yeah, read mossberg's piece y'all

this is how i learned

http://i.imgur.com/KiVvm.png

Ha! One of my friends got her news from Weezy too.

steve ballmer: http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2011/oct11/10-05statement.mspx

WOW, that IIc manual!!

So his mausoleum will be bang in the middle of his new spaceship, right?

SalmanRushdie Salman Rushdie
I have been in love with the world Steve Jobs made ever since my first Apple Mac. He was one of the great architects of the real. RIP.
7 minutes ago

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/136114411_539b143e74_z.jpg

The fact that this ever needed to be illustrated.

RIP

assuming it eventually comes out, i'm interested in knowing how he spent his last few months, like whether or not he was trying out experimental treatments & what not

his official bio, which he was interviewed something like 40 times for, is out next month, so some of that might be in there

"official" isn't the right word . . . what will become the canonical bio is out next month

of the real.

read this as 'on the real' initially

so I guess now we know for sure why the biography was brought forward nine months

nobody posted death notices on facebook when henry ford died

TimDraper
Tim Draper
With the possible exception of George Washington, Dung Chow Ping and Columbus, we lost the greatest man that lived on the planet today.
5 minutes ago

huge lol @ dung chow ping

woooow

i wonder what mow say tong would think of that

lol wut

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Tim_Draper.jpg

ABigBagOfKeys Ultimate Fear Spider
what is brostep. steve jobs could have told me… sigh
1 minute ago

Not only am I old enough to recall a time when the personal computer did not exist, I am about a year older than Steve Jobs was. The Apple II was a major inflection point in 20th century life. I saw it happen. It was huge.

I hope Tim Draper is an NBA player

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4517610446_7779718cf5_o.jpg

rip

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2010/01/jobs15.jpg

Hey I just realised Jobso's realisation of capacitive touchscreens on handheld devices is the actual reason I am learning Chinese now.

For most first-world people I don't think there's any getting away with the "Jobso didn't change my life in some way" line.

the top 30 stories on my facebook are all about steve jobs.

i am sorry, i'm gonna change my mind and join amateurist here. this is friggin' absurd.

mine r all abt #occupywallst

Compared to Sarah Palin and her media presence, memorializing Steve Jobs death at 56 is not friggin' absurd.

well, at least there's humor value in that

the top 30 stories on my facebook are all about steve jobs.

So 30 different people are dealing with the news on a personal level. That you perceive it to be overkill is your own problem.

RealSoonYi Soon-Yi Previn
rip Steve job
22 seconds ago

satan's poking his bony ass with double pitchforks right now

Exchange between two F'book friends:

"Maybe Steve Jobs' death will inspire the young Wall Street protesters the same way Judy Garland's death inspired the Stonewall drag queens."

"Maybe it will inspire people to go out and take a walk"

lmao

oh soon-yi no

SE>LCII>Duo>Duo>Centris 660AV>PowerMac G3>Powerbook G3>Power Book G4> Couple of MacBook Pros>Mac Mini+MacBook Air+iPhone

Add a work owned Dell, Samsung and Lenovo (plus a dim and distant Acorn Electron) and you have my computing life. Dominated by products Jobs had a hand in (Centris was pretty awful but was from the wilderness years).

A truly unique man; created a business that could sustain hardware margins in a cut-throat race to the bottom. Software gave people a reason to keep buying the hardware. I've always said that the Mac was the best copy protection dongle, Steve never seemed to care if your Final Cut was hacked because Apple made money on the hardware. Later on Apple seemed to work out a way of making money everywhere from a slavish devotion to network effects and not being first or most advanced but by providing "it just works".

A truly great man.

So 30 different people are dealing with the news on a personal level. That you perceive it to be overkill is your own problem.

Right, thanks.

ONCE AGAIN STEVE JOBS AINT DEAD!!!!!!! IM SMOKIN A FAT ASS KUSH JOINT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

Oh man, Charles Napier died too.

That'll be a fun party at the pearly gates

http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/04/gcelebrities/Charles_Napier-3.jpg

Start a new RIP thread, remy.

http://www.google.com/

the napier news definitely hit me harder

Sporadic cheering and celebrations were reported throughout mainland China earlier today, following news that former Apple CEO Steve Jobs had passed away.

ricky_martin Ricky Martin
Adam and Eve's, Newton's, Steve Jobs's #WORLDCHANGINAPPLES

lol

"My heart weeps for all who worked with Steve and who loved him, especially my friend Laurene and their children," wrote Maria Shriver. "I'm so happy that I knew him and was so blessed by his friendship. He impacted all of our lives and changed the world. I'm going to turn off my Apple computer, iPhone and iPad tonight at 8pm and honor Steve with a moment of digital silence. Will you join me?

jesus lady

Jesus with money

never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VjiB9NmK-4

http://thewirecutter.com/2011/10/steve-jobs-was-always-kind-to-me-or-regrets-of-an-asshole/

melissakchan Melissa Chan
Oh my. Just passed by white flowers, messages in memory of Jobs outside the Apple store here in Beijing.
3 minutes ago

the top 30 stories on my facebook are all about steve jobs.

So 30 different people are dealing with the news on a personal level. That you perceive it to be overkill is your own problem.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:41 PM (29 minutes ago)

lol dude u seem upset

chagina apples?

steve jobs never gave a dime to charity except for 250k to the dems to fund lobbyists so his "suicide factories" in asia could remain up. now he's literally in hell, where he can never again yell at another lackey for bringing him his soy latte in the wrong type of container. this is a net good for the world

http://i.imgur.com/IfFPp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VaF3R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jwfza.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rcQ2o.jpg
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remember how literally hours ago everyone on the internet was shitting their pants trying to hate corporations more than everyone else? lol. all corporations are evil except ones that make little glass boxes that look like weezer!

Eh, I'm not even particularly an Apple stan, but I've always kind of had the guy up on a pedestal for what he was accomplishing and how he went about it. Before that it was Alex Chilton. Morbs probably remembers busting my balls about Tim Russert's death, because I was unexpectedly upset about that one too (not so much because of Russert himself, but what he'd inspired me to do...go back to school, get a degree in video production, etc). Before that, it was John Peel. I kind of never know I'm going to be affected more deeply than usual by some personality's death until that time comes. xps

Just re the suicides in Apple's factories, afaik Apple did more than most companies to enforce standards of human decency in those factories. Not saying it's the best they could have done but it's better than most actually do.

As far as I know the factory suicides had a lot to do with life insurance policies and not much to do with workers driven to despair by the living hell of electronics manufacture.

Cheap labour is why there's a burgeoning middle class in so many developing countries. In places like India and China it's now possible for more people to achieve a relatively decent standard of living. I'm not attributing this to Jobs btw. And before I get attacked, understand that this is merely a counterpoint; there's no black & white when it comes to the effects of industry in developing countries.

^^^thank you Autumn Almanac. Ppl have some pretty broad brush ideas abt China itt.

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world, though.

no, because windows is why the gates foundation exists. i'm a 100% apple stan and recognize that jobs was an important dude but gates is arguably one of the most important philanthropists of oh i dunno the last century. i am perfectly happy to have a world with windows 7 if it means we get the gates foundation

the first thing I thought of when I heard this is that a bunch of people's halloween ideas just got way easier to come up with

remember when steve jobs bought a house in tennessee just so he could steal a liver from the state and leave the poors to die

lol my facebook just literally says "25 people posted about Steve Jobs"

can't believe I only have two friends who posted tamtam level shit

steve jobs never gave a dime to charity except for 250k to the dems to fund lobbyists so his "suicide factories" in asia could remain up.

Dangerous ground. There's every chance he secretly gave loads to charity, an action which imo is far more laudable than telling everyone how incredibly generous you are.

There are eight levels of tzedaka, each greater than the next. … [Second] is the one who gives tzedaka to the poor, but does not know to whom he gives, nor does the recipient know his benefactor. For this is performing a mitzva for the sake of Heaven. This is like the Secret [Anonymous] Office in the Temple. There the righteous gave secretly, and the good poor drew sustenance anonymously. This is much like giving tzedaka through a tzedaka box. One should not put into the box unless he knows that the one responsible for the box is faithful and wise and a proper leader like Rabbi Hananya ben Teradyon.

Fuckin Maimonides

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-jobss-public-giving/

(There has long been speculation that an anonymous $150 million donation to the Helen Diller Family Comprehensive Cancer Center at the University of California, San Francisco may have come from Mr. Jobs.)

http://i.imgur.com/EgQjG.png

Apple, Inc. was the one and only monument Steve wanted to build

<3 tam tam

im sure its possible that this exceedingly nasty man who spoke repeatedly & publicly about not being interested in philanthropy because of the amount of time it would take away from developing his business, was privately very generous. yes, very possible... http://i.imgur.com/YCOfu.gif

for halloween I was going to be a ghost in a turtleneck but now I think it's going to be something like a cancer cell w/ an ipad

http://i.imgur.com/UQ8bN.png

no maybe I'm going to be a cancer cell that will throw drinks at ipads

Playboy interview with Steve Jobs, circa 1985:

http://www.playboy.com/magazine/playboy-interview-steve-jobs

john siracusa: http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits/2011/10/steve-jobs-a-personal-remembrance.ars

I saw a butt xp

do you guys believe that steve jobs changed music

A+++++ trolling itt re: the recently departed. Stay fuckin' classy ilx.

love this, from the Playboy piece:

"Two other party guests wandered into the room and looked over Jobs’s shoulder. ‘Hmmm,’ said the first, Andy Warhol. ‘What is this? Look at this, Keith. This is incredible!’ The second guest, Keith Haring, the graffiti artist whose work now commands huge prices, went over. Warhol and Haring asked to take a turn at the Mac, and as I walked away, Warhol had just sat down to manipulate the mouse. ‘My God!’ he was saying, ‘I drew a circle!’"

funny thing is it actually is A++++++++ trolling

never change canky

funny thing is it actually is A++++++++ trolling

― u0sd0ןɟ (flopson), Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:19 AM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/27063/steve-jobs-10-favorite-records-and-what-they-say-about-him/

thats why I said it

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world, though. iphone world definitely beats ham radio britannica world.

― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:49 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://allthingsd.com/20110928/encyclopaedia-britannica-now-fits-into-an-app/

love this too:

"People get stuck as they get older. Our minds are sort of electrochemical computers. Your thoughts construct patterns like scaffolding in your mind. You are really etching chemical patterns. In most cases, people get stuck in those patterns, just like grooves in a record, and they never get out of them. It’s a rare person who etches grooves that are other than a specific way of looking at things, a specific way of questioning things."

"I have long been a huge admirer of Mr. Jobs and consider him the da Vinci of our time." OTM.

From the NYT article that Eazy posted above.

A+++++ trolling itt re: the recently departed. Stay fuckin' classy ilx.

If you are honestly grieving Steve Jobs's death so hard that you can't bear to read any criticism of him, why would you even be on the Internet, much less ILX?

yo ned, nice post

(the one on your blog)

Calm down dude, I was talking about TamTam's totally in character ott-ness being glad he's in hell.

(xpost to jaymc)

i'm not trolling btw, im just another poster giving my 2 cents bub

John, the thing is, "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up," isn't the point. We expect people to be assholes in RIP threads, but that doesn't excuse them or make it less appropriate to point out that they are being assholes.

Being glad someone died /= "criticism", fyi.

http://daringfireball.net/

how is it inappropriate to point out that steve jobs isn't davinci?

i mean maybe if steve jobs actually invented a bunch of shit instead of just marketing it to people

steve jobs was jesus in that case

Sorry, I still don't get why RIP threads are supposed to be these special sacrosanct places.

(Also, don't see where TamTam said that he was glad Jobs is dead.)

sean parker: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150348392138293

(I do see TamTam being generally snarky about Jobs's death.)

steve jobs never gave a dime to charity except for 250k to the dems to fund lobbyists so his "suicide factories" in asia could remain up. now he's literally in hell, where he can never again yell at another lackey for bringing him his soy latte in the wrong type of container. this is a net good for the world

Back when it was two guys in a garage, Jobs was most certainly inventing shit.

Because there is all the time and all the space in the world to criticize somebody,and while a RIP thread isn't quite equivalent to a wake, it's not the place to drag out grievances.

If not here, where? Should we revive some old Steve Jobs thread to make those points? This is the one where the conversation is happening.

My iPhone won't hard reset =(

(Btw, thanks, Jon -- I guess I missed that post.)

Sorry, I still don't get why RIP threads are supposed to be these special sacrosanct places.

Because people generally start RIP threads because they were affected by the subject for one reason or another. I mean, I get it being a public forum etc etc blah blah but I don't ever think its agl to shit on someone in a RIP thread and I'd never do it myself.

Next time I see a funeral in a public cemetery, I'm gonna run up and shout "HA! THAT GUY KINDA SUCKED ANYWAY". After I get chased down and beat to shit, I'll shrug and say, "what's the big deal? he didn't affect me personally".

Guys, we have a thread for this

Rolling 2011 Celeb Death Snark Safety Thread

you can always tell when j/v/c is hyperventilating by the presence of f-bombs in his posts

And yes, Jobs absolutely was inventing things, hands-on at first, and as a leader of Apple later. I don't recall Macbooks gathering dust on shelves in 1980 until Jobs figured out how to make them seem hip.

xp - John, this really feels like old-school "I don't get this obvious thing" jaymc stuff.

I mean, I'm being ridiculous of course, but still. Personally I don't see the appeal of shitting on an RIP thread started in good faith by someone who was generally affected by someone, no matter how trivially.

didnt this dude just steal all his ideas from xerox anyway?

was going to 'troll' in the sense that i think his co. is a monstrosity but w/e

Because people generally start RIP threads because they were affected by the subject for one reason or another

Is that really true? I don't recall if I've ever started an RIP thread, but if I have, it's b/c it was news and there was interesting stuff to talk about.

I'm glad there's this notion of me always like angrily pounding away, but I'm pretty chill here and holding my newborn son and not grieving. Just don't get the need to be snarky on a RIP thread. That's all. I'll let you guys be.

lol at "this is a net good for the world". sort of awkward when you consider his 13 year old daughter.

Frank Perdue RIP

how is it inappropriate to point out that steve jobs isn't davinci?

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:36 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean maybe if steve jobs actually invented a bunch of shit instead of just marketing it to people

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:37 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He had a greater direct impact on more people than nearly everyone else who's had an RIP thread

saying its good is different from saying im glad

if people get to talk about what a great man he was, then i get to call him an asshole (and i backed it up more than the Great Man crowd)

Because people generally start RIP threads because they were affected by the subject for one reason or another. I mean, I get it being a public forum etc etc blah blah but I don't ever think its agl to shit on someone in a RIP thread and I'd never do it myself.

Robert McNamara - RIP

xp - John, this really feels like old-school "I don't get this obvious thing" jaymc stuff.

You're right, I truly don't get how people can be so affected by a celebrity's death that snark and criticism and contrarian views are in any way bothersome. But people have said that they are indeed affected like that, so I'll drop it.

I mean fuck it, you can walk from one end of a street to the other and see 0 American presidents, 0 liberated countries, 0 cured diseases and 600 iphone ads xxp

he had a direct impact on millions of poor people he didn't help with his lack of giving money away

Notice I said "generally" guys, but good job digging up old threads.

just out of curiosity, do y'all shit on henry ford too while riding to work?

(edit for the mass transit minded: do y'all shit on george stephenson while riding to work?)

I see a bunch of american presidents every time I turn my trouser pocket inside out

I've had American presidents in my pocket for two weeks of my whole life fwiw

henry ford created death machines, was a nazi

Steve Jobs: not a nazi!

qed

Steve Jobs is loved by fiscal conservatives

I think there is good evidence that steve jobs is not a nazi, otoh the cult of apple is probably comparable to early stages of nazi era germany

Occupy Steve Jobs

hank ford was pretty philanthropic though

John, the thing is, "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up," isn't the point. We expect people to be assholes in RIP threads, but that doesn't excuse them or make it less appropriate to point out that they are being assholes.

being sad that this greedy megalomaniac died is what makes you an asshole imo

Sent from my iPhone

― my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp)

fuck yeah IPHONE ADS

this changed my world for the better

"Burt Miller, 56, was on his way to a San Francisco Apple store to pick up some replacement parts when his wife called to tell him that Mr. Jobs had died. He said he was crushed. Mr. Miller, who works in construction, said he had followed the presentation of the new iPhone the day before and was convinced that Mr. Jobs had too. “I think he saw it and knew Apple was going to make it and he let go.”

Matt Richtel and Somini Sengupta contributed reporting."

steve jobs didn't invent shit, wozniak did all of the tech

maybe steve jobs invented the job title "UI designer"

I'm not *sad* but I'm not celebrating, either. I mean for Christ's sake, I thought it was disgusting when people were cheering when Osama Bin Laden was killed.

xp to Lamp

even he gave to charity, tho

Granted, hating on Steve Jobs isn't quite on par with Alfred's classic shittiness on Bimble's thread, but still, it's pretty self-centered and self-important to think that your voice of dissent - in the form of repeating glaringly obvious fault of the deceased - must be heard when the corpse is hardly even cold yet. Death and cancer fucking suck, no matter who is dead. All I am pushing for is that people have a little class for a really short time and STFU in honor of a dead human being.

what is this ethical principle that states that if you are obscenely rich you are obliged to memorialize yourself through grandiose displays of largesse?

yeah this thread would be really interesting if it was a bunch of people reposting "RIP" xp

fuck yeah IPHONE ADS

this changed my world for the better

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:52 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not the point I was making

Actually, the traditional standard for many centuries was to distribute one's largesse quietly, with as little display as possible. Anonymously was always a good approach.

if I ever become obscenely wealthy I will discharge my fortune by anonymously erecting massive steel monoliths all across america

that's basically what steve jobs did, he just put an apple logo on em

lol look at who's in this picture: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/10/05/technology/20111006_JOBS_READER-18.html

I haven't kept track, but I don't think it's necessarily the same people shitting on a RIP thread, but there is always someone who will be that way. Even when my dad died, my asshole sister-in-law had to "just be honest for a minute" and remember his temper and his bossiness and other negative traits. She was telling the truth - and not even a harsh or complete version of the truth - but that wasn't the time for it. But on the internet, people go in full throttle with accurate recollections of the bad parts of the dead, and it's no less of a NAGL here.

the difference is your dad was your dad, and steve jobs is a dude none of us knows who was a public figure

xxpost XD

steve jobs is really the father to us all, think about it

Je55e otm. Also, most people itt are certainly not emotional about this guy's death, so running into the thread and screaming "YOU'RE ALL ARSEHOLES FOR CARING" is dickishly missing the point.

i just found out about this, numb

steve jobs was the drummer for gay dad

not trying to shit on anyone and it sucks that he died so young, but i guess i'm surprised at the outpouring?

also fuck u, jesse's sister-in-law

All arguments about "so what, someone you didn't know died" are perfectly rational, whether you're talking Lady Di or Steve Jobs (and I agree in general - cancer sucks but Steve Jobs dying doesn't make me feel anything) - but that's never going to change the way someone affected is going to feel, so it's kind of a dumb argument to get into. Let the people who do care do so in peace. Mourning death is better than celebrating death, at least.

Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs laid into teachers unions Friday at a Texas education reform conference, an Austin, Texas, newspaper reported, saying they're "what's wrong with our schools."

Teachers unions have traditionally represented one of Apple's most loyal group of customers and have largely stuck with the company since the days of the Apple IIe.

Unionization, said Jobs in reports filed by both the Associated Press and the Austin American-Statesman, was "off-the-charts crazy."

During a joint appearance with Michael Dell that was sponsored by the Texas Public Education Reform Foundation, Jobs took on the unions by first comparing schools to small businesses, and school principals to CEOs. He then asked rhetorically: "What kind of person could you get to run a small business if you told them that when they came in, they couldn't get rid of people that they thought weren't any good? Not really great ones, because if you're really smart, you go, 'I can't win.' "

He went on to say that "what is wrong with our schools in this nation is that they have become unionized in the worst possible way. This unionization and lifetime employment of K-12 teachers is off-the-charts crazy."

Jobs took on the unions by first comparing schools to small businesses, and school principals to CEOs.

This applies to private schools, certainly

steve jobs turned apple around by turning liberal humanism into a huge marketing gimmick and selling it to hipster college students. he disguised market relations as social relations and made dumb 20-somethings think that the role of seller/consumer is some kind of intimate social bond as long as the company has commercials that appeal to their generic liberalism. this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend

^ masterpiece

andy ihnatko: http://www.suntimes.com/8057908-417/rip-steve-jobs-a-man-who-truly-changed-the-world.html

the difference is your dad was your dad, and steve jobs is a dude none of us knows who was a public figure

― k3vin k., Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:11 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark

I recognize that, and to be honest, I'm commenting on the larger phenomenon of people's habit of piping up with criticism of the dead all over ILX and elsewhere. I mean, when Amy Winehouse died, a couple of relatively "normal" friends said some heinous and petty stuff about her, and she certainly could never rise to the level nastiness of Steve Jobs (one friend justified his statement by saying that people should be sad about the bombing in Norway, not some drug addict's death). But that is not to say I'm not annoyed at that phenomenon ITT.

It comes down to wondering what people get out of announcing their disdain for a recently dead person, especially when others admire that person. And pulling out further, I guess I'm pondering the nature of trolling.

this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend

I am ready to unfollow a laod of people on Twitter for doing p much exactly that AND buying black skivvies in his honour

don't do anything rash!

i'd guess they get at least as much out of it as someone who dutifully posts "RIP" - i don't necessarily have to agree with what the detractors say to not have a problem with them injecting some opposing viewpoints into the discussion, provided they're somewhat thoughtful. i don't see why those reactions are any less valid than anyone else's xxp

idk i think this dude was a terrible person who made the world a much worse place and 'the reaction' to his death is p off-putting to me, which i guess compels its own unpalatable counterreaction, not sure which response is the most 'legitimate'

n.e.way tamtam otm

I would actually like to see a spirited debate on whether Steve Jobs made the world better or if he made the world worse

he made the world easier to navigate

i'm certainly not glad this dude is dead and he was certainly some kind of genius but he was mostly good at making people feel good about buying his company's products and making people feel wrong about buying other products and turning apple cultists into an oprah's favorite things audience whenever a gadget appeared on the marketplace, but the worship of this particular man and his company was always a little weird to me.

ppl saying steve jobs changed the world and made it a better place are getting a little carried away imo, it's not like he occupied wall street or something.

it's not like he released NEVERMIND twenty years ago

he made the world small and portable

Yikes. apple.com is eery right now.

Was he present at the announcement of 4S and iOS5 yesterday? I thought he gave the presentation....if only there were a high-tech device that connected to an information network so I could find out....

I just wrote a bunch of shit then lost it because Safari's been acting weird since Lion. OH SHIT STEVE JOBS SUCKS. AND HE HATE THE UNIONS.

I don't give a fuck. Steve Jobs absolutely changed the world for the better. I live my life on, with and through technologies he is responsible for. No, he didn't insert the CPU into my motherboard personally and yes he stole the mouse (and UI) from Xerox Parc. You know what it was doing there? It was sitting on a computer that cost 9,000 dollars that nobody was ever going to buy, or even see, and if you did play with it, it didn't quite work right. He said "this is how computing is going to go" and he made it happen. What technologies he didn't invent, he borrowed, stole, bought, licensed or simply fostered the environment that allowed them to exist. Or he was the one with the balls to kill it off. All that is significant.

I learned how to type on an Apple IIe when the only other computer in my school was a Commodore Pet. I played with a Lisa in the electronics dept of Bambergers, then used MacPaint on the first Mac. It wasn't a Quantel Paintbox, but that's the point. I work and live in an industry that wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the choices he made and pushed with the Macintosh. He made all these decisions, and every one is laughed at and second-guessed, then everyone plays catch up, and goes ahead to doubt and second-guess his next choice, and he's right again, then everyone pretends it was always that way. Do you remove all the decisions he made from the industry, from technology, and assume things would have been changed for the better anyway? The technology was there and would still be here, it would just suck much more.

I'm sure he was an asshole and I know he did a lot of fucked up things in his life. But he also managed to change shit majorly.

And bullshit on anyone who thinks people who feel like I do feel so because we're 20-something sheep. I've felt this way since the fucking mac was invented and I was 10 years old.

one man's better is another man's worse

http://i.imgur.com/5kjVw.jpg

As I somewhat unpoetically said elsewhere:

A man who felt selling a bread slicer that wouldn't cut off your thumbs was a worthy proposition.

Was he present at the announcement of 4S and iOS5 yesterday?

Je55e you will love this: http://www.cultofmac.com/121223/steve-jobs-and-the-reserved-seat/

nice post, dan

http://boingboing.net/

neven mrgan: http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post/11090229578/steve

From Ihnatko's obit:

I think of the stories. Yes, the funny ones (grifting Woz out of his fair share of the fee Atari paid for creating the electronics for the “Breakout” game, parking in handicapped spots) but those are overcrowded by the stories I’ve heard about him from Apple employees who’ve worked with him directly.

http://www.boingboing.net

ah, i know what wordpress theme they're using

just changed my site to that theme (i can't be bothered to resize images etc - will do that some other time)

http://www.theoriginalsoundtrack.com

cool!

it's a neat theme

neven's tumblr post is worth reading btw

http://news.ycombinator.com/

to emphasize jobs' innovation and brilliance, and to de-emphasize his more indefensible business practices, serves - unwittingly - to justify what was done. the point is not that we must, in reflecting on the life of the deceased, condemn him in absentia. it is too late for that; it would be a useless scholarly exercise in morality. but the easy acceptance of moral failures and human consequence as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress is just as noxious

(not equating jobs w/ columbus, lol)

whoa electronics manufacturer uses questionable labor themoreyouknow.jpg

gotta do what you gotta do right

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/1144949_e32682edd3_b.jpg

agghh

heres a fun game:

1. pick up your closest piece of technology
2. see where it is made
3. hmmmmmmm

I have a locally grown organic smartphone

irl lol

like i get where people are at with this and whatever but a better place for railing against terrible labor practices would be a "company CEOS that made everything i own in my house RIP" thread

tell you what when Fjordsnor Ikea dies there will be HELL TO PAY

he died three days after he was taken out the store

short walt mossberg video at the end of this: http://allthingsd.com/20111005/the-steve-jobs-i-knew/

merlin mann has a little tribute page up: http://www.43folders.com/index.html

Damn. Says a lot about how much of the world he changed that BBC obit didn't even get round to mentioning Pixar, the company that swallowed Disney.

eric schmidt: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/10/05/eric-schmidt-on-steve-jobs’s-death/

panic: http://www.panic.com/

like i get where people are at with this and whatever but a better place for railing against terrible labor practices would be a "company CEOS that made everything i own in my house RIP" thread
― guh (jjjusten), Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:02 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

i don't get how people decide this line of discussion is inappropriate here but appropriate there. as i said upthread, can't we acknowledge the guy's legacy with all its contradictions?

i like using my mac, just as i buy stuff from amazon -- and both corporations have some really dubious business practices that help to explain their huge market share and profits. i guess that makes me a hypocrite, but i do think it's important to acknowledge the way we are all implicated -- steve jobs way more than the rest of us -- in a globalized system by which we benefit from the exploited labor of others. indeed we are very likely both exploited ourselves and contributing to enterprises that exploit others.

i just find it helpful to recall this since the usual apple-related discourse is so heavy on themes of transcendent fusion between man and machine, sleek design, productivity, yadda yadda. i think PrincessTamTam has been impolitic in this thread but s/he is not altogether wrong when s/he writes, "he disguised market relations as social relations and made dumb 20-somethings think that the role of seller/consumer is some kind of intimate social bond as long as the company has commercials that appeal to their generic liberalism. this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend."

that's not all that's at play. certainly some admire specific things jobs and the teams he assembled contributed to computing. but apple's appeal went far beyond this, and part of this is because of the company's ability to use marketing to obfuscate the relations underlying its increasing market position etc.

/marxism

steven frank: http://stevenf.tumblr.com/post/11092230457/steve-jobs

zeldman: http://www.zeldman.com/2011/10/05/9086/

(just an apple logo, btw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwsuXHA7RA

lord

but i do think it's important to acknowledge the way we are all implicated -- steve jobs way more than the rest of us

Yeh acknowledge, not hammer to a pulp.

Also: Steve insisted NeXT build its computers in the US, and invented a factory to do so. It was so expensive it nearly killed NeXT. When back at Apple he wasn't going to make the same mistake, and hence hired Tim Cook.

btw this is v good if it is actually substantive:

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/apple-intel-cease-conflict-minerals/

trent reznor: http://twitter.com/#!/trent_reznor/status/121788588986859521

Damn. Says a lot about how much of the world he changed that BBC obit didn't even get round to mentioning Pixar, the company that swallowed Disney.

tamtam makes a reasonable point about how it's strange a lot of people think like they know him but for me at least that's mostly due to the keynotes. e.g. i'm not sure i've ever seen bill gates speak for more than a couple of sentences. i think i followed pretty much every keynote from his return to apple until a couple of years ago.

also here's 81 anecdotes about steve jobs from the mac launch era http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?project=Macintosh&characters=Steve%20Jobs&detail=medium. great site.

I believe that Pixar DVD cases are made in China tho, and its films are advertised. XP

also nextstep was amazing and completely insane and at least half the the reason all of your OS X macs are so pleasant to use.

still lols at nextcube

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/10/06/these-photos-will-make-you-smile-steve-jobs-testing-photobooth/

Not long before Steve Jobs’ second coming to Apple in 1996 he was giving a talk to The Stanford Graduate School of Business’ High Tech Club at the home of a student. For three hours he sat in the lotus position on the floor in front of the living-room fireplace answering questions good-naturedly. Afterwards, the host, a young MBA candidate named Steve Jurvetson, asked the legendary figure to autograph his Macintosh keyboard which had already been signed by Apple cofounder Steve Woznyak.
Steve Jobs said he’d do it, but only if first he could remove all the unnecessary keys that his successors had added in a foolish effort to make the Mac more like a Microsoft-Intel PC. He despised the long row of so-called function keys (like “F1”) and the cluster of navigational arrow keys which were clunky alternatives to the more intuitive process of using a mouse to explore menus and icons. So Jobs pulled his car keys out of his pocket and began scooping into the computer keyboard, violently disgorging all the keys that offended him. “I’m changing the world one keyboard at a time”, he said with a straight face. Only then when he had mutilated the apparatus, did he take a pen and scribble his autograph on it.

(just as a side note - here's that very keyboard - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/841771/ - Jurvetson's photos are nearly always interesting)

i heard that if hitler were alive today he would use some apple products

Kinda nice:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6162/6216694440_0937aa3c97_b.jpg

yeah, that is nice

looks like the agile development strategy at my old work

http://yfrog.com/z/h8spqpknj

that @gen1usbart4l3s is doing some hardcore mourning for this jobs bloke

http://t.co/A6hQBMqM

http://ihnatko.com/wp-content/2011/07/Steve-Jobs-Pimps-Drink-e1311719433991-500x373.jpg

http://ihnatko.com/2011/07/27/apple-enters-the-quenchability-marketspace/

Steve Jobs is the greatest entrepreneur who ever lived. He took his company from two guys in a garage to the highest valued company on the planet - I don't see how that will ever be surpassed. There are a handful of other business figures who can truly be considered "celebrities" - Bill Gates, Donald Trump, maybe Warren Buffet - but none that so many people felt a personal connection to. The products and services he conceived and helped bring about are a daily part of our lives.

The news of his passing will hit many people harder than that of major political figures or entertainers. It wouldn't surprise me if the Apple flagship stores are covered with flowers and notes running halfway up the glass by this evening (hope the renovations are finished at NYC/5th Ave).

lol he would have loved this use of comic sans

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/10/infinate-jobs-mourn619.jpg

dunno who Lee626 is but i sb'd u anyway

lol i forgot about sb ffs

xxp, more a marker felt guy iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN0SVBCJqLs

xp I expect to be sb'd because of my musical tastes, but not because I recognise SJ for who he really was. How many of us learned of his death on an iPhone?

I read about it on a Samsung Galaxy S that wouldn't look the way it did without the iPhone I guess, so um yeah

messiahphone

max that brian lam post was great, thanks for linking. lol at

He replied, "You're just doing your job." And he said it in the kindest way possible. Which made me feel better and worse.

gonna watch pirates of silicon valley this weekend i think

Is there something in this "they called it 4S = for Steve" rumor?

We can’t say for sure that Steve would still be alive and making lives better were it not for the alternative therapy, but the statistics suggest it very strongly.

there is zero public information about the alternative or conventional treatment he had, other than a liver transplant.

Massive article on Jobs' life at The Register -

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/06/steve_jobs_bio_1/

part one (11 pages)

126 footnotes

so sorry I lolled at this :-(

http://i53.tinypic.com/nz0g49.png

They sure didn't write that on an iPad. xp

idgi xp

the iPhone camera used to have this weird bug - there's a whole iPhone Cubism flickr group and everything

ah

e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/kuniochi/2987523875/in/pool-878850@N22/

ooer that is weird

http://i.imgur.com/SCoJ0.png

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/feature-articles/steve-jobs-dead.php

Uh, you're seriously undercutting the fact that he shrunk computers down from the size of a whole room to something you can put on a desk (and now, in your pocket).

Without Apple rescuing PARC's work on WIMP GUIs from obscurity computers today might look pretty different, and obviously you can't sit on a bus without being within 4 seats of someone pawing at an iPhone, but the above is not really true imo.

The Altair 8800 predated the Apple I, but it doesn't look much like an 80s microcomputer. Think the Commodore PET and possibly the TRS-80 were in development before the world had seen a finished Apple I though. And in Europe throughout the 80s, where nobody could afford Apple, home micros based more on the PET model than on Apple (at least until the 16-bit era brought mice and GUIs into teenage bedrooms) did extremely well.

Feel similarly abt the posts abt "home recording on a computer exists solely bcz of Apple" (because of ProTools' decision to work only with G5 hard disks and Apple buying out Logic?) - given the Atari ST's ubiquity in recording studios in the 80s/90s, before Macs had any studio-level music software, that was probably another revolution that was going to happen anyway

Anyhow, dude was a v shrewd entrepreneur who obviously changed the face of the modern tech-gadget market, and RIP anyone who dies of cancer when they should have so much of their life still ahead of them, of course. Don't want to be a hater, just don't agree that this guy singlehandedly invented everything in computing after 1960. Carry on...

Atari was obv a big mac competitor in the music world...being very similar plus having the MIDI ports, and was more ubiquitous in the UK then it ever was in the US, but Macs with studio level software predate pro-tools. Look at the roots of Digidesign and see things like Sound Designer and Audiomedia cards. Did Atari's ever get advanced enough to handle sample processing, which predated direct to disc recording? And direct to disc's arrival when Vision turned into Studio Vision and later Performer into Digital Performer? Macs dominated the studio world before they bought Logic, due to Digidesign, but had and still have major competitors in the PC world. Especially with audio mastering.

just don't agree that this guy singlehandedly invented everything in computing after 1960.

Yeah, the truth lies somewhere between here and "lol he just made really good ads for toys wtf u care abt doggie"

But the difference he made is really huge. Didn't nec. invent, but totally changed: the desktop computer, gui computing, networked computing (plus the web was invented on a Jobs machine), web programming, digital music (despite starting at the back), the music industry, cell phones, digital photography and tablet computing. Oh, and computer animation while he was at it.

If someone thinks this was all just snappy ads w/dancing people, they high

Counter point to the Skeptoid link above: http://www.naturalnews.com/033793_Steve_Jobs_chemotherapy.html

He wouldn't have meant anything if Al Gore hadn't invented ~the internet~ tho

http://i.somethingawful.com/u/elpintogrande/oct11/steve_jobs2.gif

http://i.imgur.com/L7MD8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CpfIy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DMUTe.jpg

I'd say there's an interesting narrative that certain industries which used GUI's' due to the necessity of the work, even before Macs became ubiquitous, were less tied to Apple the brand. In the music world you had things like Fairlight's with light pens. In CAD and drafting, people were using Mice on PC's well before Windows took over the PC interface world, and those are industries that didn't require using a Mac. For years and years the only people I knew in creative fields who deliberately chose a PC over a Mac were because of architectural and drafting options.

At some point the software certainly drives the hardware, like in Audio Mastering which I still see as predominantly PC, I think because of Steinberg and Sony making the preferred software and making it for PCs. (Steinberg's software was on the Mac as well but it wasn't as good). Same thing with Autocad. I think you have certain professions where the software is installed on a studio machine that's used for that one purpose, so it never mattered how useful or friendly it is for anything else.

But in desktop publishing...forget about it. Apple and Aldus and Adobe changed that world, wiped out entire industries and is still predominant. And in a lot of cases you get "creatives" who were drawn to Macs because they were easier to use and more beautiful and thats where the tools were. By the time the tools were the same on both sides, they were entrenched Apple users. Where the technical experts were, you have people not using Macs for two reasons...they weren't powerful enough or they were too expensive. For years all the design work was done on Macintosh computers but the computers that did the processing at the end were often workstations from Silicon Graphics or Sun or beefed up PCs. Same with animation and film. It wasn't until relatively recently that Macs, or really any "home" computer, were powerful enough to do this stuff.

I think publishing kept Apple in business. Even in the darkest days of the company, when the computers sucked and were too expensive and nobody was buying them for their kids or their homes, advertising and printing and publishing was still 99% Macintosh. At that point though, I think it was a lot of "creatives" who were designers first, computer people second(or third...or not at all) and even if you told them Quark looked and acted the same on a PC as on a Mac, they were not going to switch to Windows.

And I think people who make fun of NeXT computers often don't understand the workstation market, that it existed, and that it was dying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steve_Jobs&diff=next&oldid=454189909

The Onion Newswire: Panicking Apple Board Of Directors Attempt To Restart Steve Jobs

http://www.theonion.com/articles/panicking-apple-board-of-directors-attempt-to-rest,26264/

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