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  • surely singular in his online prowess/gayness/brand of conservatism
  • weird irrational hatreds of clintons/palin
  • enthusiasms pass through him like clouds on a windy day
  • facebook/twitter/me will transform the islamic world
  • unconvincing nods towards catholic thinkers
  • 'sure i was wrong about these dozens of things, so what?'
  • sometimes right, and steadfast re: torture

mookieproof, Monday, 9 May 2011 06:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

  • sort of rly hot

Jonathan Taylor-Swift (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 9 May 2011 06:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

monday: "THIS IS THE TRUTH AND YOU ARE WRONG AND TERRIBLE IF YOU DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE IT"
tuesday: "you are not a serious person if you don't see it this way"
wednesday: "there might be some flaws here"
thursday: "i never said it was perfect"
friday: "this thing is full of holes"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 06:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

saturday: "look how honest and open-minded i am about admitting the holes in this theory"

mookieproof, Monday, 9 May 2011 06:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

sunday: "hey beardo, let's smoke up"

mookieproof, Monday, 9 May 2011 06:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

buzza, Monday, 9 May 2011 06:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like him, tho i haven't read him in a while.

everyone always brings up his crazy post-9/11 spasm of calling liberals a 'fifth column' or whatever, but considering he's apologized for it like 4,000 times (the first time a few days after it happened) it seems a bit unfair to hold it against him now when there's about a million other pundits and bloggers who say that shit and worse every day. he's about as much of a 'conservative' as garry wills (and in pretty much the same, largely non-political way).

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 9 May 2011 07:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'll take garry wills though!

i did not read him during the wisconsin thing -- i can't keep up unless i am amazingly bored at work -- but i understand he is not a union man

mookieproof, Monday, 9 May 2011 07:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm completely mystified by the weight given to the opinions of this kook.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 9 May 2011 07:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

this guy's famous because he had/has an unusual-for-the-media personality (gay! religious! hawkish! libertariany!) and was online writing about politics at exactly the moment lots of people were starting to go online to read about it, and had something Big to Hold Forth About besides (the blog really started to roll, lol, right after 9/11). so he got super lucky. but i think he's totally fun just as a guy to have around; he has so many passionate, ill-considered convictions about so many semicontradictory things it is hard not to like him. i don't read him regularly at all though.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 9 May 2011 10:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't think he's just lucky - he's very hard-working & traditionally well-connected (old media pro, oxford (pres of the union), harvard).

portrait of velleity (woof), Monday, 9 May 2011 10:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

just an absurd person, only on the internet

ice cr?m, Monday, 9 May 2011 10:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean i know he was big pre internet but only wired could he really let his freak flag fly, he seems genuinely insane and uncool to me

ice cr?m, Monday, 9 May 2011 10:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

like his whole thing of trying to shoehorn contemporary american politics into traditional conservative thought 'sir you are not living up to the ideals laid down by mr locke!' - how out of it do you have to be

ice cr?m, Monday, 9 May 2011 10:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Monday-to-Friday timeline posted above sums up his almost manic twists and turns well, but I started reading him in 2008, and I still do. My initial interest was his enthusiastic support for Obama, and that's still pretty much in place. (He tries hard to appear impartial, and it's sometimes funny when he makes a great show of scolding Obama for something.) Even for someone like me who finds Palin fascinating, his obsession with her can be wearing.

clemenza, Monday, 9 May 2011 12:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Juan Cole's tirade a few weeks ago was the best recent attack yet so irrelevant, you know? This is Andrew Sullivan.

I wrote a long thing about my history reading him.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

He's all id, basically, for better or worse, which is why his willingness to apologize is refreshing. He do needs to stop posting so often – his weekend updates on birds, Episcopalian literature, and genome breakthroughs look like obvious circulation boosting.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 12:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

his links are often golden, like the one he just put up, "the finland phenomenon: inside the world's most surprising school system"

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 9 May 2011 12:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

a big portion of the stuff posted under his name nowadays is not actually by him

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 13:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is my all time fave sully quote:

"There are so many good reasons on both sides, so many different possible outcomes, that my only sure conclusion is that I'm glad I don't have to make a decision," - James Downie, on the Libya intervention.

Wise words. But a blogger has to take a position, even if not make a decision.

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 13:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

A BLOGGER HAS TO TAKE A POSITION

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 13:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

a new position!
let's go fishin' in the river of life

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 13:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

(From Alfred's piece linked to above) Longtime readers will have noticed that the bloom is DEFINITELY off the rose when it comes to Obama

I wouldn't go that far. His support of Obama isn't as unwavering as it was in 2008, agreed--that'd pretty much be impossible once someone starts governing--but he's still very supportive most of the time. He was tough on him over DADT, but eventually decided that Obama's handling of the matter made sense. He's been tough on some of Obama's budgetary and deficit dodges, but that comes and goes. When he has what he feels is cause to praise Obama--like with Bin Laden, or the Giffords speech--he still gushes. And I always get the feeling that he's looking to do that as often as possible.

clemenza, Monday, 9 May 2011 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

But a blogger has to take a position, even if not make a decision, for an idea to reach fruition, and to see what condition, our condition is in, can I get a 'praise god.'

da croupier, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I read Sully every day. I think his actual value (aggregate of links presented well and at a particular intelligence level) is underrated. I barely care about his opinions (he's pretty much wrong about everything tho admirable re legalization + sometimes torture) but he links to so many ppl that I wouldn't have the time to ferret out myself from such a broad range of opinions and thought that he's very useful to get links to much of the interesting stuff that shows up on the internet.

Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

most recent example of Monday-Friday thing is Paul Ryan plan serious/adult on Monday dismissed by the end of the week. Also the birther-Palin thing is totally insane and no longer endearing.

Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah in that curatorial respect he's def served as a role model for me even if he's overkill sometimes

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'd say the major dichotomy for sully is that he reads broadly but w/ no depth

Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

He can be an incisive, shrewd reader of texts when he wants, though, but yielding to the impulse to blog every twelve minutes surely can't help his reading habits.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm not convinced he's a great reader of texts. I can name a number of texts he totally misread (most recently his reading of Rush Limbaugh as praising Obama was pretty awful) but you could always say they are due to his lack of focus. I can't think of anything he has "shrewdly" read tho, at least off the top of my head.

Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not to mention his poseur alert sometimes functions as a "I didn't understand this" alert

Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

have you read Virtually Normal? His essay on friendship, using Moliere's as a base, is lovely.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, his interpretation of Limbaugh's monologue after Bin Laden's death was unbelievably off the mark. As soon as I started reading it--just words on a page, no audio--I thought, "Is he sure this is meant to be taken literally?" Limbaugh's sarcasm was as sledgehammer-obvious as ever.

clemenza, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah no doubt he's tone deaf, i attribute it to being british

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

((its joeks, its joeks))

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Virtually Normal blew 18 yr old me away.

His blog was kind of interesting when he was actually going through his falling out of love with Bush conservatism identity crisis I guess. That long term shift underscoring all the short term reversals is kinda rare for such a big name, or rarely admitted to at least.

Tim F, Monday, 9 May 2011 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

a big portion of the stuff posted under his name nowadays is not actually by him

he's the jim davis of bloggers!!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

So what's his US Acres?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

a big portion of the stuff posted under his name nowadays is not actually by him

ok, but no way this is true. when his interns take over all their bylines get slapped over his posts and he has disappeared during big events (one recently tho I don't remember the event) bc he's sick or whatever which would be impossible if someone else was writing his posts.

Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

under-bloggers

buzza, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

well apparently i'm wrong. so the only thing that changes when he goes on vacation is that the underbloggers get to put their bylines up?

Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yep, and sometimes it's not his minions but other bloggers (e.g. Ross Douthat).

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

As the Palin corpse shows signs of life, Sullivan's been pretty funny the past week trying to mask his glee and temper his five posts a day with deep concern about what a bad thing her candidacy would be for the country. He ought to be honest: anyone one who wants Obama to win in 2012 is praying she jumps in, for the political chaos and for the freak-show entertainment value. Especially Sullivan, whose obsession with her is boundless.

And as much as I loathe her, he ought to award himself one of his own Moore awards for conflating this upcoming documentary of hers with Triumph of the Will.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 May 2011 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

if he gets any more crazy for her theres gonna be a rabbit boiling in her kitchen

so come right back, we have count dracula and we have adam rich (Hunt3r), Saturday, 28 May 2011 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's something a bit ironic about a guy whose political hero is reagan being so profoundly unsettled by the rise of a glib, ignorant demagogue, no?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 28 May 2011 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh c'mon: Reagan gave the impression that he had at least thumbed through a book. And he could write plain English.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 May 2011 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've stated my complete indifference towards Reagan before, but I agree that there was an intellect there (and politically, a formidable intellect)--and next to Palin, he practically came across like a Rhodes scholar.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 May 2011 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't get a chance to look at Sullivan yesterday, but I caught up this morning and count nine Palin posts--one of which links to a guy who pleads with the media to ignore her. (I guess I now become part of that chain: me expressing my disdain by posting on a guy who expresses his disdain by linking to a guy who expresses his disdain by...paying attention to Palin.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...
2 weeks pass...

its funny--sullivan may not be the only guy writing, but the quality of the blog drops noticeably when hes gone

☂ (max), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

He is the brand. (Also given he's visiting the UK for the first time in forever for vacation RIGHT when this whole hacking clusterfuck bubbles up worse, I suspect he's gearing up for the mother of a post on that. Which given his general support of Cameron as the kindler/gentler conservative alternative to the GOP will be funny.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp otm, i stop reading it when he's not posting. i used to still read conor friedersdorf during these interludes since he at least wrote interestingly, but i haven't noticed him during this vacation -- maybe he's done filling in?

Mordy, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Conor F has a semi permanent spot at the Atlantic now, I think.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok he wasn't THAT interesting

Mordy, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like him, he's like a feisty kid brother who is sometimes surprisingly insightful

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

this guy bruce bawer really hates muslims huh

☂ (max), Saturday, 9 July 2011 13:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

So he's updated a touch:

https://www.facebook.com/TheDishBlog

http://twitter.com/Dishfeed

http://twitter.com/sullydish

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

has he uploaded a new id?

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

That comes with next year's reboot.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm getting really tired of this guy

Mordy, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Catching up on some posts today. This cracked me up, responding to Perry's adventures today: "These two disgusting statements, in today's polarized climate, are, to my mind, a reason for Perry to withdraw, or for his party to disown this ugly, divisive, violent rhetoric." Geez, Andrew, he just got into the race two days ago. It's August of 2011--you might want to pace yourself a bit.

I've had two reactions to Sullivan the last couple of months: 1) In his longer posts, when he assesses the substance of what's going on, I still find he's often very perceptive. I don't think many people would agree with me on that. 2) On the other hand, he seems to be in complete denial when it comes to how politically precarious Obama's position is.

clemenza, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I would advise everyone (including myself) to pace themselves for the next fourteen months. Guys like Sullivan must by necessity devote a certain number of hours to Politico gossip and Beltway chatter. We can poke fun at Rick Perry while also reminding ourselves that nothing does more damage to serious change than the campaign cycle; now everyone in DC will concentrate on the election and not on the fucking mess we're in.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

Let's also not forget that Sullivan is a conservative, at least a nominal one, and he believes Obama should have accepted the Bowles-Simpson recommendations as well as cuts to Social Security.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

now everyone in DC will concentrate on the election and not on the fucking mess we're in.

I've seen two people make the same point today: Greenwald and (your favourite) Gergen.

clemenza, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Big and Lil G.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

soto double otm

tine nic (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 04:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Ben Smith infers that she will - from the way she behaved at the Iowa State Fair. Everything I know about her suggests she will. But Washington - Republican and Democrat - is convinced she's over. We'll see. I hope the establishment is right. But none of the current candidates seems viable to me."

He's talking about Palin, of course. Why does he persist in such a platitudinous lie? He wants her to run as badly as I do. It would a) be the greatest thing in the world for spiking readership on the Dish, b) be vastly entertaining, and c) come with no risk whatsoever--she'd undoubtedly do major damage to whoever emerges from the wreckage as the Republican nominee, significantly increasing (maybe even guaranteeing) the reelection of the guy he's rooting for. I wish he'd just say so for once.

clemenza, Thursday, 18 August 2011 03:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

he's taking another month off. am i wrong or have his vacations become longer and longer and more frequent?

Mordy, Monday, 22 August 2011 03:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

The second reference to the awesomeness of Poppy Bush's foreign policy this week, this one alluding to the wisdom of Obama's:

s potent and nuanced a management of global politics as anything since George H W Bush.

What on earth did Poppy do that was so damn admirable -- in his own way he was as bellicose as Reagan (Panama) and as devious as Kissinger (basically elbowing Saddam into having a fit in the Middle East, then acting shocked when he invades Kuwait).

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

He was pretty savvy about the fall of the Soviet Union. Organized a good campaign at the UN and among NATO allies in lead-up to Gulf War I.

em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

He may have been a devious fucker but he was far more competent that his son at getting shit done right.

em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Dunno if he deserves undue credit for the fall of the USSR. It was an impossible situation. Gorbachev gradually lost all domestic support, and international acclaim eventually destroyed him. Bush for years dithered between supporting Gorby or transferring this support to Yeltsin.

Iraq I was another war waged under dubious circumstances.

I didn't even mention a certain event in China in June '89.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

In the light of his son's failures and the ideologues running for office these days, I appreciate the impulse to warm to Poppy's professionalism -- I'm guilty too -- but it's too easy to transform into a symbol of tweedy restraint.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think he handled the fall of the USSR with great aplomb considering the stakes.

I think his diplomacy after Kuwait was invaded was pretty effective whatever you think about Glaspie etc...

em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 21:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I didn't even mention a certain event in China in June '89.

Sometimes a dude's just gotta blow chunks and pass out in another dude's lap. What can I say?

em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

i suppose if i had to choose between reagan, bush I, bush II, and even clinton, i'd probably reluctantly opt for bush I as the best of a bad lot.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 9 September 2011 22:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

One heartbeat away from Pres Quayle...

em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Dunno if he deserves undue credit for the fall of the USSR.

oh none at all, but avoiding war over the pieces of a global empire is at least decent -- and historically unusual.

I didn't even mention a certain event in China in June '89.

so what should he have done?

mookieproof, Saturday, 10 September 2011 00:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

is it just me or his blog super boring lately? I've been reading the blog for a bunch of years now, because I find the man, in all his batshitness, compelling, while rarely (at least since 2003) being malevolent. Which is to say: I like reading the man. But not a bunch of boring links. I don't really see how the blog as a link aggregator reflects the man, & I care about pretty much none of those links. I dunno: is something up with him so that he's not writing as much anymore (while just keeping the # of posts up by having his interns post lots of links each day)?

Euler, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

He employs interns and acolytes now. The death penalty "forum" was interesting. But I don't give a fuck about Palin or his obsession.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

the rumor is that he's been pretty sick lately, though he looks okay in the recent video things

max, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm tired of those curated "discussions", which is also just the work of acolytes. I'd be happy if they just filtered out Sullivan's own posts, even (& maybe especially!) if it's just one every couple of days.

(mostly this is me sighing at my rss feed overflowing yet again because I can't keep up with the volume, & Sullivan's the worst at this)

xp huh, yeah, that wouldn't surprise me

Euler, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

he is huffpo-lite, streamlined into one column

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 29 September 2011 00:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

Breaking up is hard to do.

clemenza, Friday, 7 October 2011 11:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

what a dumbass

9.50 pm. Ron Paul is now the leading candidate in Google searches in South Carolina. Hmmm.

buzza, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 05:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

GOOGLE EXIT POLL

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 05:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

too bad sully wasn't around to blog the 1860 elections

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 05:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

10.57 pm. A great night for Ron Paul:

Ron Paul quintupled his 2008 Virginia vote count, and because of the smaller turnout overall he octupled his percentage of the vote there. Paul tripled his 2008 result in Vermont, and he did the same in Oklahoma and Massachusetts. He is running ahead of his 2008 numbers in North Dakota, and he has a chance of scoring an upset in Idaho or Alaska.

A GREAT NIGHT

buzza, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 08:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

I try to keep social occasions off the blog since so much of my life is an open book. But it was a really magical evening. I'm a proud Tory and a proud American (almost a citizen) and to see my political party bond so effortlessly with a president I endorsed and admire was enormously gratifying. It made me feel saner, amid today's Republican madness.

I bumped into many people - we were next to John Legend and his fiancee and the British ambassador and his wife at dinner - and did have a brief and warm chat with the president. I think such things should remain confidential, but you should know that there's a Dish-reader in the Oval Office, and "not just the political stuff." So don't feel too guilty about our regular dips into pop-culture, high and low. POTUS gets the mix.

There were several openly gay couples present, which is change you really can believe in, and we entered with the future HRC head, Chad Griffin and his boyfriend. I also didn't realize the impact that the Newsweek Obama cover-story had on Obama donors and staffers until last night. So many people mentioned it. Oh, and George Clooney came up to say hi. Not since John Hamm came out as a Dish reader at the White House Correspondents' Dinner did such a shiver go up my leg.

The tent in the garden was gorgeous, as you can see above. And particularly poignant for Aaron and me: it was designed and produced by Bryan Rafanelli, who planned our own wedding. Good times. And a bit of a hangover.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was going to link to that...makes me queasy too.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

(The political incestuousness, I mean--don't want to be misconstrued.)

clemenza, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

but you should know that there's a Dish-reader in the Oval Office, and "not just the political stuff."

PUKE

lag∞n, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

In other words, Obama appreciates beard fetishes.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

vat a kantry

goole, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

superfluous "-ry"

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

okay this is easily one of the most disappointing moments in obama's presidency

iatee, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

can't believe i once defended this guy: he's insufferable most of the time

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't have problems defending him when I agree with him but I never, ever forget that he's a total dick

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't fault Obama that much for issuing the invitation--the inherent political calculation is somewhat unseemly, but, as the saying goes, whatever. I don't fault Sullivan all that much for attending--in an ideal world he wouldn't, but I'm sure it's difficult to turn down an invitation like that. (I know I wouldn't.) It's writing about it in such a way that may not exactly be flaunting it, but is going to make anybody wonder, "And you're different from Fox how?" (I realize someone will ridicule the idea that anybody could ever have thought otherwise.)

clemenza, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

If invited I would attend but would hope to have the good sense not to post a valentine.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol wait, on what grounds should Sullivan have turned down the invitation

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

At the next such dinner:

"Greetings Dr. Morbius and Mr. Perrin. Are you together?"

"In a way..."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sully is one of those guys who goes I HAD THE MOST INCREDIBLE NIGHT and when you ask what'd do he says nothing but smiles impishly and goes back to trolling bear-4-bear sites.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

i can forgive the president for buttering up sullivan, like ive read the daily dish before okay, but encouraging his "not just the political stuff" just crosses the fn line - i pray that it was just some aide whispering in his ear 'and tell him not just the political stuff' and obama had no idea what he was talking abt

lag∞n, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's it (Alfred's earlier post)--it's the gushiness of the post that makes me queasy. And no attempt whatsoever to acknowledge the fine line he's treading. (The grounds would be, "Appreciate it, but I write about you 12 times a day, and supposedly I'm 'of no party' and beholden to no one." But again, I understand that he's a person before anything else, and that that's easier said than done. And admit that I wouldn't turn down the invitation either, were I him.)

clemenza, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

WRT 'not just the political stuff' -- folks, you're sounding like what's his name from Homeland who was surprised that Obama watches his show. President again revealed to be wonky nerd, film at eleven.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

sullivan has the worst taste in everything is basically what im reacting to fyi, homeland is sweet tho

lag∞n, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

andrew sullivan isn't someone for wonky people tho, like that's almost his problem

iatee, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

he is just kinda dumb

iatee, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

wdn't get in a room w/ either of the men in question, unless making a citizen's arrest

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

he likes Pet Shop Boys though

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

just hoping the he doesn't sing a few bars of 'west end girls' at the next fundraiser

xp lawl

goole, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

for all sullivan's endless professions of noble orwellian objectivity, 'of no party,' etc etc, i can think of few political commentators more prone to gushy, uncritical hero-worship of powerful ppl.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not since John Hamm came out as a Dish reader at the White House Correspondents' Dinner did such a shiver go up my leg.

Don Draper, I am disappoint.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

should I post his 2002-era encomia to David Frum's pellucid prose voiced by Dubya?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd prefer if Sully went the weaselly George Will route and wrote Obama speeches while evaluating his debate performance in columns.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost -- Thank you, no. But it probably explains why he can never resist jabs at Hinderaker for his own comments on the mastermind that was W.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

for all sullivan's endless professions of noble orwellian objectivity, 'of no party,' etc etc, i can think of few political commentators more prone to gushy, uncritical hero-worship of powerful ppl.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:28 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hes not the most self aware blogger in the blogosphere

lag∞n, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean if you guys met andrew sullivan wouldnt you tell him you read his dumb blog

max, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

then write 300 words about it on mine

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

'I approached him with thoughts teeming through my head and said "I gotta question: the original version of "I Want a Dog" or the Introspective take?"'

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

whenever I do go to andrew sullivan's blog I just end up only looking at the 'picture from your window', he should just turn his blog into a 'picture from your window' tumblr

iatee, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh man, if Obama digs the Introspective mix of "I Want A Dog" I am not voting

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

'I approached him with thoughts teeming through my head and said "I gotta question: the original version of "I Want a Dog" or the Introspective take?"'

"Then he got excited (and I got excited too!)."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

"No, really Andrew, Michelle and I followed up seeing Do the Right Thing by talking about how great "Domino Dancing" was. Man, can you believe some people hate that song?"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

imagine a little avatar of me climbing into your web browser and punching the shit out of that post

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

watch the ned fall down

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

DJP of Persia

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

"My fellow Americans: at last, Guantanamo Bay has been emptied and the rule of law restored. We have made one exception for a man who once did the cabbage patch but thinks that songs like "Left to My Own Devices" and "I'm Not Scared" were somehow poor listening..."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

the cabbage patch is a fine fine dance, you poor misguided dance heathen

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've no doubt, but I do not speak for the president.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

Someone's upset:

And I should point out that, unlike Andrew Sullivan — a diseased criminal drug addict foreigner who should be deported

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh, that guy

goole, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ah yes, the Other McCain. A bitter man, that one.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't really "get" why you guys read these ppl

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

It saves me the bother of having to go out looking for people to point and laugh at.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

It saves me the bother of having to go out looking for people to point and laugh at.

apparently this is what I do

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

dan i don't have a good answer tbh

goole, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

there is no reason to read andrew sullivan, he has never said anything interesting in like a decade

iatee, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like my token conservatives to at least be good trolls

iatee, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't really "get" why you guys read these ppl

― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP)

I think it's connected to why they prefer "unintentional comedies"

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

my friend who is a cute hipster bear had sex w sully and they talked about ecstasy and religion afterwards

the tune is space, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

which kind of E?

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think it's connected to why they prefer "unintentional comedies"

You're likely onto something.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

god Sullivan sounds like one of those guys who insists on talking meaningfully after sex

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't always agree with him but Sullivan's not a bad political blogger. He's kind of a big puppy but that's kind of entertaining and I have learned to skip a lot of his obsessions

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sullyswoon fits perfectly w/ pattern of megacrushes I've observed that Professional Gays have had on the last two Imperial Stewards w/ a "D" after their name: "Oooooh, the captain of the team TALKED TO MEEEEE!"

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Point 6 of Greenwald's latest dispatch brings the Sullivan lolz

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

"tmmrw, in series 56 of greenwald's ongoing series about the hypocrisies of modern political life, glenn will examine in 15 parts how american liberals defend obama. part 13, points 36 through 92 deal extensively with jonathan chait's own failings on this issue. 92 through 153, and appendixes g-k deal with andrew sullivan."

Mordy, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

^ prefers to talk about the Robert De Niro joke

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

1. i don't know what that is
2. is lent over already?

Mordy, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

doesn't greenwald's obsessions with the minutia of daily punditry bullshit annoy you at all? he's just as bad as politico, just one step removed. writing about how other writers are superficial doesn't somehow make you less superficial.

Mordy, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

that describes what is annoying about like 95% of the political commentary I see on the internet

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd be happy with an ocassional statement relating the minutia to the bigger picture, or noting that it is minutia. Also, it would be interesting if Greenwald suddenly began getting included in more mainstream outlets, and if the mainstream media would at least address some of these items so they would not seem like Greenwald's little hobby horses. The whole killing an American without due process issue has largely been ignored by much of the mainstream media. No one really asked Obama about it at his last press conference.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

we currently have a state where it is legal to shoot and kill someone under the guise of "standing your ground"; due process is and has always been a fucking fantasy in this country

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

I cannot address political matters as Pope Mordy points out, but some churches do not count Fridays as part of Lent.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Go eat a capybara.

Mordy, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Always keep up my ACLU membership as they support legal battles for due process everywhere

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

xps "stand your ground" laws exist in like 16 states fyi, which obviously just strengthens your point

1staethyr, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm going to respond to Goldblog's unhinged, thin-skinned rants against me in due course, but it's worth noting how he conducts debate. He resorts either to authoritah - my critics are too uninformed and dumb to engage - or to marginalization of his opponents.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol referring to him as goldblog

lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

i know a lot of ppl here don't like goldblog (for good reasons tbh), but sullivan really looks like a child when arguing with him.

Mordy, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

i just found it amusing to see him accuse someone else of unhinged rants

mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

They both seem like children to me no matter who they are arguing with.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh plz.

Good God. The utter lack of engagement with the arguments of a book that has yet to be published is revealing - and the deployment of personal matters as a way to smear someone is exactly the same tactic as Jeffrey Goldberg's abuse of private matters, like his version of a conversation we once had

that's what this is all about. sullivan is embarrassed bc goldberg spilled the beans that his conversion on israel was about his love for obama. doesn't everyone already know that sullivan seems to know frightfully little about israel, middle east, etc and switches his opinion based on the political climate? dude's entire shtick these days is practically, "i used to believe X but now i believe the total opposite."

Mordy, Thursday, 22 March 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm sure I'm the last person still interested in any of this, but Sullivan in never-never land today:

"...like Joe Klein, I'm beginning to think that Eric Fehrnstrom's description of his own candidate as an Etch-A-Sketch, capable of erasing anything he has believed or said in the past instantly, is close to a disqualifying comment."

Ignoring for a second that the election is still 7-8 months away, ignoring whatever accidental truth there is to what the guy said, and ignoring that he posted this on a day where Obama reminded everyone of his own problems in that area, should he maybe take into consideration that it was something said by somebody on the campaign, not Romney himself? Disqualifying comment? "I'm suspending my campaign as of today; someone who works for me said something stupid."

Later on in the same post, he accidentally returns to reality: "But what does it say about Obama's strength that he's still polling only four or five points over this gaffe-prone robot?"

clemenza, Friday, 23 March 2012 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is precisely why Etch-a-Sketch was funny exactly two seconds. A campaign aide made a remark that Reinforced A Narrative? really?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 March 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can see where the story will make Romney needlessly squirm some more during the nomination. (Gingrich has a good ad up today.) Trying to carry the story over into the general seems silly to me.

clemenza, Friday, 23 March 2012 02:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

Today on the Dish, Andrew wondered if America was on the road to post-Obamacare single payer while we detailed the specific path down that route, noted the somewhat circumscribed role of the mandate, guessed at whether the Medicad expansion would get thrown out by SCOTUS, cautioned against seeing the Constitution in black-and-white, developed a timeline for hearing the Court's decision, compared Obama's fight with the Court to Bush's, and forecasted the negative consequences of the mandate's defeat for Obama's reelection campaign.

he wondered, noted, guessed, cautioned, developed, compared, and forecasted. what a renaissance man!

Mordy, Friday, 30 March 2012 03:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

so boring lately

Euler, Friday, 30 March 2012 03:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

so is this guy like a lutheran now or what

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

goole, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yes, I am ready to eat jellyfish.

polyphonic, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

caro's johnson (Eazy), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

what a fuckwit

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Honestly, considering he could've died of AIDS as a wunderkind, it's great to see him bald and grey.

caro's johnson (Eazy), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

haven't read his blog in months and much happier for it, i think

Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

uh, he's been bald since before he was placing ads for sex (while decrying gay promiscuity). xp

Posted on the Marriage to Alfred thread.... G.G. chronicles Sullivan's move from indifference toward Obama's "evolution" to full-on Daddy weeping:

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/14/andrew_sullivans_father_figure/

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah I finally pulled him out (lol) of my reader & have been happier too, though I guess less knowledgable about the hott blogggg topics of the day. the news these days, it happens too fast.

Euler, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

This guy's such a courtier.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

first black president (clinton edition)/first gay president is such a grossly cute way to talk abt things

lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

besides i thought lincoln was the first gay president

lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Buchanan

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

This guy's such a courtier.

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, May 14, 2012 1:58 PM (2 days ago)

He seems to have been saddended by this judgment. (Well, not yours specifically but imagine if.)

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/05/pressuring-the-president.html

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

I closed that window yesterday, unwilling to be moved by the 0.0004456 of a percentage separating Glenn Greenwald and Sully's views on sodomy and civil liberties.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

But but but the splitting of hairs

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Friedersdorf shakes his head. It's a fair review: why Sully is infuriating yet so readable.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 May 2012 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol that url does-andrew-sullivans-obamaphilia-make-sense

lag∞n, Friday, 18 May 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Spurred on by all the bad news for Obama last week, Sullivan has been in overdrive the last two or three days. It's June 11--I do believe he's headed for some sort of meltdown if Obama starts consistently running behind in the polls.

clemenza, Monday, 11 June 2012 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's either that or posts with headlines like "Can Beagles Be Trained to Parachute?"

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 June 2012 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Wishin' and hopin':

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/06/the-core-reality-of-this-campaign.html

Skipping how Romney measures up against normal campaign legerdemain--I imagine he's worse than most, although not all that much worse--I'm quite sure Nixon in '72 (and probably '68, too) takes that prize with room to spare.

clemenza, Monday, 25 June 2012 23:32 (11 months ago) Permalink

Yes, I take major exception to Romney being the most mendacious of candidates. He's got serious competition.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 June 2012 23:39 (11 months ago) Permalink

man this guy is really all about foreskins

he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Friday, 29 June 2012 19:40 (11 months ago) Permalink

Headline today: How Hot Is Hell?

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 July 2012 18:41 (11 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Still taking time out for the occasional View from Bain Capital Your Window.

clemenza, Monday, 16 July 2012 17:02 (11 months ago) Permalink

Tom Hardy says he experimented with gay sex. There are rumors that he played Bane in the latest Batman movie. I have to say: I couldn't tell. And couldn't understand almost anything he said. What a steaming pile of crap that movie was.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 July 2012 00:55 (10 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

I know I've been the only person waiting for this:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/08/paul-ryan-vs-fiscal-conservatism.html

"But he is, in some ways, a pellucidly bright plant bred in the conservative movement's hydroponic greenhouse." Exactly--that's why his ears are big and his clothes don't fit.

clemenza, Monday, 20 August 2012 17:08 (9 months ago) Permalink

Some nicely turned phrases by Sullivan in that post. Maybe he had extra time to work on it over his vacation. It's a more persuasive conservative dis on Ryan than the David Stockman op-ed that ran in the NY Times last week.

o. nate, Monday, 20 August 2012 20:25 (9 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Sez he's planning on attending Burning Man next year:

After years of nagging by my most relentless partner in crime, I've agreed to go next year. In an RV.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 September 2012 19:00 (9 months ago) Permalink

oh for jesus sake

goole, Sunday, 16 September 2012 08:05 (9 months ago) Permalink

Anyone who had the BurningMan - Hillary4Prez quinella yesterday, don't forget to stop by the window to collect.

Plasmon, Sunday, 16 September 2012 14:52 (9 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

NSFW

Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 18:51 (8 months ago) Permalink

haha damn dude

goole, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 18:52 (8 months ago) Permalink

Jesus. I'm in a public place reading that, kind of not noticing the giant picture everyone around me can see...

Norah Jones Protest Vote (Eazy), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 19:14 (8 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

But a question: If someone is that out of touch with reality, why are they given jobs as analysts in television or the newspapers? If a dentist drilled into your forehead rather than your tooth, he'd be accountable. Those paid handsomely to examine the American social and political landscape can miss by the same mile and blithely carry on as if nothing had happened.

Agreed (he's specifically talking about George Will). But didn't Sullivan himself flat-out declare that Obama was finished after the first debate?

clemenza, Thursday, 8 November 2012 22:52 (7 months ago) Permalink

lol @ this dude of all people saying this

iatee, Thursday, 8 November 2012 22:54 (7 months ago) Permalink

Write to him and tell him that! He'd happily publish it as a Dissent of the Day. xp

WilliamC, Thursday, 8 November 2012 22:54 (7 months ago) Permalink

I might, though I'm pretty sure he'd say the same thing he always says: he's a blogger, not an analyst, and his job is to write down his immediate reactions unfiltered. That's his umbrella explanation for everything.

clemenza, Thursday, 8 November 2012 22:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

Andrew Sullivan is the unfrozen caveman lawyer of bloggers

Lamborghini mercy, yo sledge she's so percy (m bison), Friday, 9 November 2012 00:00 (7 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

this fucking guy

But he just got RE-ELECTED. It's a classic time for magnanimity - and yet he began the critical negotiations by poking the defeated GOP in the eye. This is not the new politics. It's the old partisanship. I hope it works. I fear it won't.

re Obama's new belligerence.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:27 (6 months ago) Permalink

I just heard David Brooks on NPR saying something similar: deep down GOP realizes Obama has a mandate to raise taxes on the rich, but they need some time to get their head around it, so Obama needs to be gentle with them.

o. nate, Friday, 30 November 2012 22:03 (6 months ago) Permalink

"I can't believe he's acting like the president he said he was going to be!"

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 November 2012 22:04 (6 months ago) Permalink

It's a classic time for magnanimity

It was tried in the past with the very same people and they responded, let's say, poorly. Why repeat a failed experiment?

Aimless, Friday, 30 November 2012 22:10 (6 months ago) Permalink

my idea of magnanimity: everyone making over 100 G gets their fucking taxes raised back to 1980 levels

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 November 2012 22:28 (6 months ago) Permalink

before and after broscience (goole), Sunday, 2 December 2012 02:51 (6 months ago) Permalink

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 December 2012 02:53 (6 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

so I went to Mass in Chelsea tonight, and exchanged the ritual Sign of Peace (ie, a handshake) with a bearded, squat congregant -- guesswho?

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 December 2012 03:28 (5 months ago) Permalink

...Santa?

Todd Terragh - "It's the Harps" (m bison), Monday, 24 December 2012 15:49 (5 months ago) Permalink

think more British and "tortured"

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 December 2012 19:39 (5 months ago) Permalink

Shoulda told him about this place.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:42 (5 months ago) Permalink

Anyway, going independent/pay model, 19.99 a year.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 17:56 (5 months ago) Permalink

lol

iatee, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:04 (5 months ago) Permalink

sofa's reallly not working for me, but maybe its just a big dog bed

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:08 (5 months ago) Permalink

You get a free sofa if you sign up?

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:09 (5 months ago) Permalink

Free used beagle sofa.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:10 (5 months ago) Permalink

Beagle not included.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:10 (5 months ago) Permalink

Anyway, already making bank:

Basically, we've gotten a third of a million dollars in 24 hours, with close to 12,000 paid subscribers (at last count). On average, readers paid almost $8 more than we asked for....If our goal was an annual income of somewhere around $900K (we erred on the safe side), we have gotten a third of the way there in 24 hours, which is why we're all somewhat gob-smacked.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:59 (5 months ago) Permalink

I guess if I peace him in church again, slipping him a $20 is... something I won't do.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:02 (5 months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure that would be any worse than the collection plate...

Canaille help you (Michael White), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:12 (5 months ago) Permalink

Twenty bag might be appreciated by him though

Canaille help you (Michael White), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:13 (5 months ago) Permalink

At the Movies with Morbz and Sully

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:18 (5 months ago) Permalink

oh I don't give cash to Cardinal Dolan.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:23 (5 months ago) Permalink

Hallelujah

Canaille help you (Michael White), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:25 (5 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Responding to a critique of Girls:

So few qualities in the men? Have you seen Adam with his shirt off? Have you never fantasized about fucking a carpenter with sawdust under his fingernails just after he fixed your creaking door? (#SullyTMI: I pulled that one off in real life in 1989).

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 19:23 (4 months ago) Permalink

if i fucked a carpenter

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 19:24 (4 months ago) Permalink

fucking a carpenter

this is some weird catholic shit, right?

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 19:28 (4 months ago) Permalink

Sawdust under fingernails sounds really uncomfortable.

If it were up to you we'd all be eating tea and strumpets. (WilliamC), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 19:30 (4 months ago) Permalink

"See, when I meant 'no glove no love'..."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 19:34 (4 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

I see he's in a major retrospective/info dump mood today

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/03/22/flies-collecting-on-a-wound/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 March 2013 18:35 (2 months ago) Permalink

In the summer of 2000, when I foolishly found myself wanting Al Gore to lose (Excelsior!), it was not a strong emotion. In the campaign, Gore was the advocate for a larger defense budget and Bush was all about being a “humble” nation. I figured there wasn’t much difference between them (and I still think Gore would have launched the Iraq War as well).

pretty sure sully becomes a rabid anti-war activist from day one in this alternate universe.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 22 March 2013 18:51 (2 months ago) Permalink

I started reading him regularly in 2002. Was he a pill or what. My memory is of he running a play by play of the troops reaching Baghdad while he called out pussies, wimps,.and traitors

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2013 19:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

lol @ Gore invading Iraq

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 March 2013 19:34 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah, that's just stupid. i can imagine gore doing some clinton-style bombings but the iraq war happened because cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, et al got into power, not because it was some kind of inevitable black hole that any president would've been sucked into. pretty much any president who wasn't as stupid and arrogant as W would've held off on an actual invasion.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 22 March 2013 19:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

Saddam never tried to kill Gore's daddy

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 March 2013 19:40 (2 months ago) Permalink

I'm sure someone can find remarks on ILX in which I said Gore, going by what I knew of him as the hawk in the Clinton White House, might have invaded Iraq. To call for war when necessary doesn't mean an endorsement of all wars, of course.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2013 20:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

i think we def would have been at war in afghanistan had gore been president, beyond that it's hard to play carnac

goole, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

i mean, assuming 9/11 still happened

we might be at war in pakistan or iran instead! or the gulf!

goole, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:08 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah Afghanistan was a foregone conclusion after 9/11. Iraq, not so much

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 March 2013 20:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

of course, had we been under a gore admin from 01 to 09 we probably would not be under an obama admin now. assuming the economy stayed on a similar track (no reason to think it wouldn't) we might be under a GWB44 at the moment

goole, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:11 (2 months ago) Permalink

confounding variable is that the right would have done everything possible to destroy a president gore from 9/12 onward. if the 02 midterms went similarly, maybe they would succeed in impeaching him. a president lieberman! we might be in iraq no matter what...

goole, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:14 (2 months ago) Permalink

Lieberman woulda gone for Iran imho

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 March 2013 20:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

who knows? butterfly effect, man. We'd probably be speaking American English, but with clicks instead of consonants. and frozen yogurt would've come back strong by now.

No, not sinister (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 25 March 2013 20:22 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

This fucking guy.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2013 20:57 (1 week ago) Permalink


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