http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/03/31/mad-men-three-seasons/
'Mad Men' is a done deal! AMC drama is renewed with Matthew Weiner on boardby James HibberdCategories: Mad Men, Television, TV Biz
Don Draper might make it to the 1970s after all. After a protracted standoff, AMC, Lionsgate and Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner have reached an agreement for seasons five and six of the Emmy-winning drama.
Weiner, who will return as showrunner, has also signed a new long-term deal with Lionsgate. As a result of the negotiations, however, season five isn’t expected to air until March of next year.
Weiner signed a deal that’s worth about $10 million per year. The creator compromised slightly on issue of the show’s running time, agreeing to the show running two minutes shorter in all epiosdes (45 minutes) when on AMC except the fifth season’s premiere and finale (47) — with an option for Weiner to turn in 47-minute episodes for other platforms like VOD and DVD. The main cast is signed on for two more season and no more cuts are expected there.
The deal was originally supposed to be for three seasons, but the cast isn’t yet signed for a seventh season so that’s being tabled for the time being. But everybody thinks that now that Weiner is on board, a seventh season will happen. Weiner is also telling media outlets that the seventh season will be the final one for the show.
“I want to thank all of our wonderful fans for their support,” Weiner said in a statement. “I also want to thank AMC and Lionsgate for agreeing to support the artistic freedom of myself, the cast and the crew so that we can continue to make the show exactly as we have from the beginning. I’m excited to get started on the next chapter of our story.”
“AMC’s original programming began with a mission to create bold storytelling of the highest quality, and Mad Men was the perfect expression of that commitment,” Charlie Collier, president of AMC, said in a statement. “We’ve been proud to support this show from the day we read Matt’s ground-breaking pilot script and have loved building it with Matt and Lionsgate into the cultural phenomenon it has become. For everyone involved in the show and its passionate fans, we are thrilled to announce that the series will continue on AMC under the exceptional vision of Matt Weiner.”
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 April 2011 03:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
Keep sleeping, Peggy and Don. You won't be back on until next year.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 April 2011 04:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
shit, that's a while. are there other examples of tv shows w/ prolonged waits like this? do they do anything in regards of plot to compensate for how much they expect their audience to forget things?
― kelpolaris, Friday, 1 April 2011 04:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
I never watched the Sopranos, but wasn't there a crazy long delay between two seasons once? And then they split the season in two parts? My recollection is hazy.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 April 2011 04:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, there was at least a year and a half. same with The Wire, actually.
― Gukbe, Friday, 1 April 2011 04:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
Hmmm, seven seasons might be a bit much.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
all shows should end at 5 seasons
― Godspeed HOOS! Black Steendriver (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
will people really forget more in the extra 5 months or whatever? i gues they expect everyone to buy the dvds and re-watch the season.
― mizzell, Friday, 1 April 2011 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
they always seem to show the previous season in reruns prior to the start of the new season.
― Jaq, Friday, 1 April 2011 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've been waiting since I heard that the show was only supposed to last five seasons, I was going to ride out the network run until it was over and watch through Netflix. Now that it's running for seven seasons I'm not so sure that I care because shows tend to dip in quality after S5 anyway.
― Simpsons Christmas Boogie (MintIce), Sunday, 3 April 2011 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've completely forgotten what happened in those four seasons
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 02:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
thank goodness its all on netflix streaming now
i just started watching on netflix. can you get cancer from watching people smoke all the time? i wish it focussed more on advertising and less on sex and smoking. not sure it's worth watching episode 3. women will be treated poorly, men will smoke inside and race relations will be tense. please tell me those themes aren't the main themes for the rest of the show.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
no, there's also the terrible parenting theme!
― Jaq, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh yeah, episode 2 some little girl is playing in a plastic bag. there's too many good shows to devote 50 more hours to this.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
okay!
― max, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
You're shaking my foundations brotherlovesdub
― Number None, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am pretty sure that I have never known anyone who watched, say, all of season 1 of Mad Men and then lost interest. People either find it deeply unpleasant based on the first couple episodes, or they are fans.
― (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ (silby), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
they do tone down the lol 60s stuff after a while
― sea jasper, a meteor, rose quartz and quartz (reddening), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
except for like the times when they just pander to it, gloriously
― (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ (silby), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
brotherlovesdub: Virtually every mad men thread ever is peppered with new watchers coming in and (justifiably) complaining about the lol60s shit. That stuff goes away, though, so stick it out until the end of the season and see how you feel. It's a great drama. You won't be disappointed. There really aren't many shows better than this at the moment.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
ad agency, marital infidelity, father hits his grown son with a cane iirc
― sea jasper, a meteor, rose quartz and quartz (reddening), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, i meant what gubke said
― Number None, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol I totally forgot about the cane
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
gets way better after the first few episodes. then season 2 drags a bit. then it gets all time great TV for seasons 3 and 4 imo.
― the wheelie king (wk), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 04:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Just watched episode three. Think I'll keep going. I just want the women to triumph over the men and for Draper to get killed/humiliated/die of cancer. I guess he's the star so that won't happen. He's scum though. Guess I should check out the other Mad Men threads.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 05:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
I watched the first 3 seasons and 2-3 episodes of the 4th season and then lost interest
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 05:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha yeah was just going to post that i checked out somewhere around the middle of season 3
idk why im reading this either but yknow
― Monstrous TumTum (Lamp), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 05:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I mean I don't hateee mad men...I like the *idea*, I like the lol60s shit...but it's just toooooo slowwwww and repetitive for me and I realized I was pretty much forcing myself to sit through every new episode.
anyway I have no interest in trolling this thread.
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 06:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Season three is the worst one IMO. Loved season four.
But to any newbies: When I started watching I thought it was merely interesting until about halfway through the first season, then I realised I love it. Persevere, watch it in order, it's a slow burner.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 07:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i find myself thinking of that NYRB crit of it whenever i think of this recently, maybe because it charged the show with being soap opera-ish & i have reduced don draper to being a moody, glowering, tall dark handsome soap opera figure
― sweatpants life trajectory (schlump), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 08:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like this show but i kind of dont miss it
― max, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
good riddance to agreeable television drama
― sweatpants life trajectory (schlump), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Man, Sally is going to look like she's 20 when it comes on again.
― *tera, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 14:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well, they've already had her masturbating, so she is growing up. S5 is shooting now, right?
― Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
yep.
― (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ (silby), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Since season 4 was 1964-65, I would think season 5 should be around 1967-68...?
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
i would've thought they'd try to go a little slower than that, but that's not based on/might be contrary to whatever's been customary until now. like i woulda thought 66/67. it depends how long the guy envisions it living on for i guess?
― sweatpants life trajectory (schlump), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I missed one episode last season, the one where don and peggy get drunk together. My gf summed it up for me at the time so I was able to watch the rest of the eps during the season, and when I watched it for the first time a few days ago, it was alright, like I could see that the only reason I really watched all the eps was momentum
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I met weiner once at the beverly hills hotel, kinda surreal because I was lost and out on the pool deck area when it happened
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
wth
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp feel free to post that in the posts w/o context thread
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
this show is pretty great when you can watch 2-3 eps at a time and pretty excruciating on a week to week basis. like, the story arc to season 4 is pretty good (if maddening and depressing) but also pretty annoying when its coming in drips and drabs.
― ryan, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know what you mean about momentum, but I also think "The Suitcase" was the best episode of the season!
― jaymc, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
^ yeah, all-time ep right there
― (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ (silby), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was a really good episode compared to other eps, and I liked it somewhat, and thought there were brilliant parts with brilliant bits of acting, but a lot of the episode, perhaps more than others, I don't know at this point because I haven't seen the show in a while, was don yelling at peggy for work related reasons, and when I was watching it, I guess, because I was removed from the mad men world, I couldn't help but think that I was glad I wasn't exposed to its world as much
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
i saw a little girl out to dinner with her family at a mexican restaurant last week that was a dead-ringer for sally. it was so uncanny i almost said something to the parents but i told myself to forget it and finish my nachos.
― (gr8080), Thursday, 18 August 2011 00:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
"hey uh I dunno if you know this but your daughter looks a lot like a child star that some nerds on the internet really can't wait to see grow up into a teenager!"
― (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ (silby), Thursday, 18 August 2011 00:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah nachos was probably the better move
FYI I recommend that everyone into this show watch the movie version of "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying" with Robert Morse
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 August 2011 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
LOL
― ¯\(°_o)/¯ (Nicole), Monday, 22 August 2011 20:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
hahahahaha
― (gr8080), Monday, 22 August 2011 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
hahaha burn
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 22 August 2011 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, the parallels are pretty funny. Morse is great in The Loved One too. Mad Men also reminds me of The Sweet Smell of Success.
― the wheelie king (wk), Monday, 22 August 2011 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
predictions on the degree to which dialogue this season will be "on the nose"?
― Do not go gentle into that good frogbs (silby), Saturday, 27 August 2011 00:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I loved it when Mad Men referenced The Apartment (season and episode escapes me). In season four Roger is on the phone speaking to a Louise about a Larry...the Tate's no doubt, finally acknowledging the comparison's to Bewitched.
― *tera, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 01:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sorry about that pesky apostrophe.....blush.
― *tera, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 01:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Apartment ref was in the first season, near the end I think. Joan was chewing Roger out about using women and told him he should see the movie and change his tune.
― Status Update...in my Seether? (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 01:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
...and to complete the circle, David White played both Mr. Tate on "Bewitched" and Mr. Eichelberger in The Apartment.
― Status Update...in my Seether? (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 02:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, this is pretty much my experience too. Basically I was watching it to bask in the glory of Joan and gradually got into the surrounding plotlines.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 03:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
R u one of those ppl who sits around watching AMC dramas all nite, tweeting abt how AMAZEBALLS they are?
― HOOSy woosies (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 08:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Walked by a Banana Republic tonight. The big poster in the window asked me if I am a Betty.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 02:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't really think there's an answer. I think the significance is in asking the question.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
uch, you're such a Betty.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 02:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Keep getting BR MM collection ads in my FB feed ATM.
That's a lot of abbreviations.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Do they have a "Are You A Pete?" poster
― Number None, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Banana republic really on the cutting edge with this mad men collection
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=66393
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
So when does this actually start?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
via wiki: "The fifth season is scheduled to premiere on March 16, 2012."
crap, I was hoping it was sooner :(
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
can't wait! i don't remember exactly when it's supposed to start, but sometime this Spring, right? if only there was an internet to help determine the answer!
― your pain is probably equal (Z S), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 03:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
march 2012, sez some place on the internet
― your pain is probably equal (Z S), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 03:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can wait. I think.
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 04:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
SPOILER i hear don draper broods a lot next season SPOILER
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 05:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
read "breeds" at first
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 05:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
It has been off the air so long that I barely remember what even happened last season. It's hard to get excited about it.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^
I assume this season will begin in 1975, it feels like they've been gone so long
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
im sorta not looking forward to this. so sick of don and his bullshit. would be really excited if the next season was peggy-only
― max, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm hoping for a mid-70s setting. I feel like anything 1966-1969 will have inevitable stretches of crushing predictability.
(cue "White Rabbit")
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
it'll be awesome, i'm pretty sure, but yeah, i'm not exactly salivating. it seemed to end on a queasy, foreboding 'happy ending' for don, and i'm not desperate to see the whole miserable second marriage unravel.
― Where Is Reason? (stevie), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
eh when it comes back he'll be divorced again already. and it'll be the year 2030.
― sunn :o))) (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 21:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wonder if he's quit smoking...
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
march 25.
― reconstituted pork offal slurry (get bent), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Enough time to rewatch S4.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
season premiere will be two hours!
― choucrüt (get bent), Sunday, 15 January 2012 01:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jesus. Not sure how I feel about that.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 15 January 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
me neither, but i will watch every last minute of it.
― choucrüt (get bent), Sunday, 15 January 2012 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
no skip the last minute
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Sunday, 15 January 2012 15:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
The last minute will obviously be Don looking out of a window with a deeply furrowed brow.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's still my theory that the show's focus will shift from Don to Peggy by the end of its run, so I'm expecting that to really begin happening this season. *crosses fingers*
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
the first 45 minutes will a recap of the last 4 seasons because everyone forgot
― your pain is probably equal (Z S), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
last time on Mad Men
"wow don congratulations on your wedding. who is your bride?"
"oh uh. i forget her name"
― Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:04 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
...I see so little reason for this..??
― NO NUTRITIONAL CONTENT (kelpolaris), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
cos Don is super boring
― Number None, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
for us, maybe. for so much of the rest of the viewing public that watches this show it almost needs a personal qualifier on my part that he's the main dig.
― NO NUTRITIONAL CONTENT (kelpolaris), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
i love don.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't know. i just find *any* of the characters as continually interesting as don, even if he is predictable. i'm sort of past the point of being fascinated by don's actions and more look to how shit will all end up for him. i know he's gonna continually make some bad choices, and i think the writers here are smart enough - e.g., not 19yr old creative writing class depravists - that they wouldn't end the series on some woefully awful note, like him offing himself or whatevs. i don't know. at least i'd like to think it's beyond that.
― NO NUTRITIONAL CONTENT (kelpolaris), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
the series should end with don faking his death and subsequently wandering the earth helping people out & going on adventures. kinda like the hulk. "you wouldn't like me when i'm...mad"
― Lana Ballantine (latebloomer), Monday, 16 January 2012 09:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
amc confirmed that s5 is set in may 2003
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Monday, 16 January 2012 10:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
it follows don and peggy's grandchildren as they team up to solve mysteries
― Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think the gap has been too long for me. I tried reading episode summaries of the last series and had to think far too much to remind myself who some of the characters were.
― Sugary pee is not normal (aldo), Monday, 16 January 2012 15:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Is there a reason why the gap has been soooo long?
― Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Monday, 16 January 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
some of the sopranos gaps were this long
― Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don't really understand how this level of ennui has set in really. Still looking forward to this.
― Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't think the ennui is entirely from the gap between seasons but more from how lethargic + disappointing the last season was
― Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Perhaps we're due for another good one (1, 3, 5...)
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
S4 > S3.
― Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
I really liked the last season. Certainly better than 3.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 16 January 2012 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
It was probably the funniest season, for a start.
Which had the lawnmower and which had the dead assistant?
― Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Monday, 16 January 2012 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
The breakdown of Don & Betty's marriage was kind of necessary but until it actually happened it was making for some pretty slow, dull and miserable TV. S3 only really hit its stride in the last two or three episodes, before that there didn't seem to be much actually happening.
S4 had some badly-cast characters but was way better paced plotwise, and had that amazing Don and Peggy episode. Also it brought the lols.
― Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Maybe I'm confusing the whole of S3 with the very end of S3 (which was great). I agree that S4 was enjoyable for the most part, but I'm a nerd and look for number-related trends. :)
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think S3 had the marriage ending and the lawn mower and the JFK assassination and the gang getting back together to start the new company right? that was jampacked with goodness. S4 had... Betty's new husband? Don dating that secretary? Uh - lots of Don being depressed? And the one suitcase episode w/ Peggy. (Oh, and also Peggy peeking over the wall.)
― Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I remember S3 with much more fondness than S4.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Monday, 16 January 2012 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think S3 had the marriage ending and the lawn mower and the JFK assassination and the gang getting back together to start the new company right?
Pretty much all in the last two episodes.
― Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sal also got fired in S3.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Monday, 16 January 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
S3 was also when Joan left to get married, and Pete found her working at a department store.
Also: Peggy fucks Duck.
― Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
The last episode of S3 is terrific.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also Re:Sal & S3-The episode where he and Don go to Baltimore and Don discovers Sal's secret.
This episode also pretty much invented "Pan Am" on ABC.
― Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also, um, Don finally comes clean to Betty about Dick Whitman.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Imma have to watch S3 again.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^ I don't think there has been a series before that I have loved but that I keep forgetting the plotlines of. Feel like I have to rewatch the whole series
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
starting next week i am rewatching all four seasons with my housemate (who has never seen it). interesting times.
― caek, Monday, 16 January 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
lotta first world problems itt
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 02:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
well, the show's about ad execs
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Saturday Review Whites"-Whiney's Grandpa
― Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
don sucks
more joan and peggy getting along
― the most astonishing writer on ilx (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 05:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^^
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Slightly weirded out to realise that Pete and Peggy will only be in their early-to-mid-40s by the time the 80s kick in, conceivably still working in agencies with Reagan in the White House.
(And amoral dicks like Don Draper running the world by that point obviously)
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is perfect
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
S3 > S4 for sure, the workplace/home-life balance was way out of whack for a lot of the latter for me.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
love the phone both!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
*booth
there are still phone booths?
― “How you like that, Mr. Hitler!” (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
they're mainly hobo porty-pottys these days, but yes.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
*porto
can't wait for don to jump off that roof xD
― am0n, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
nah it's gonna be Roger who jumps off the roof, still think Don has a chance to get right with the tao.
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
We all obviously want Don Draper to die and the series to end, because we all hate it, and that's we post on this thread.
stfu.
― cue "White Rabbit" (kenan), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
― mizzell, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
hah!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
hahaha
― ⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
i sent that pic to a coworker who is a fan of the show. his reply:
What a great picture! I wonder what the significance of the whale shooting the mad man out of the water is about?A fish out of water?? Maybe the culture change of the late 60’s is coming around…
I wonder what the significance of the whale shooting the mad man out of the water is about?
A fish out of water?? Maybe the culture change of the late 60’s is coming around…
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
s4 finally came back on On Demand, I had forgotten most of this
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i finally bought s4 -- found it for dirt cheap at a blockbuster liquidation sale.
― textile in thighville (get bent), Thursday, 2 February 2012 01:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
rewatching Season 4... Honda scooter episode is so perfect.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^the shot of Peggy riding around the empty studio is one of my fave images from the show.
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 00:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
also her peeking over the partition at Don
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 00:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
― nate woolls, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 09:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've also been rewatching S4 - the episode where Don goes down to California and no one has told Anna that she's dying is heartbreaking. And then you get Don and Laine going out and getting slaughtered as well. Genuinely don't understand why anyone thinks that series was a drop-off in quality.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 10:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I am noticing lots of little things, foreshadowing/nuances. Like there's a bit in the episode where Pete finds out Trudy is pregnant and Laine's telling him he has to ditch his father-in-law's account - Laine is kind of a dick to Pete re: fatherhood and "manning up", as it were, which is laden with irony given Laine's relationship with his own father as revealed in a later episode.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh man, "the cure for the common ____" episode
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
So we're 3 whole weeks away from the premiere and somebody hacked Christina Hendricks' phone and thrown out some NSFW images onto the internets...
(find them yrselves)
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 5 March 2012 03:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
They weren't really that scandalous.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 5 March 2012 03:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
pix more adorbs than scandalous imo
tho obviously is terrible that (most likely) someone violated her trust
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 5 March 2012 03:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
― drop these whiners on a island (Surviver style) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
great, now we gotta NSFW this thread.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 5 March 2012 04:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^forks that counts as a request for title change
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
clean those dons up jesus
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hallway-and-glasses one is adorable!
― Clancy Fans and Fancy Clans (Eazy), Monday, 5 March 2012 05:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
damn girl
― homosexual II, Monday, 5 March 2012 05:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
her body is incredible!
I'd believe her statements that the only picture "leaked" that actually shows nudity is not her
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 5 March 2012 13:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
peggy!
http://www.nypost.com/pagesixmag/issues/20120308/Mad+Woman+Bad+Girl
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
*spoiler alert*
― Eric H., Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
One-upping Joan...
― "marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Thursday, 8 March 2012 13:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was not at all expecting that first link to be a picture like that and I'm in shock now
― valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
She's cheery, funny and sincere-any girl would long to be her BFF (and ask if she's down for trading outfits).
*barf*
― mizzell, Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
and just wait until she starts telling you about her friend xenu...
― face depalma (stevie), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
"One of the greatest things I heard someone say about him [Fred Armisen] is, 'He's so great at doing impersonations. But the greatest impersonation he does is that of a normal person.' To me, that sums it up."
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have no love for fred armisen, but E.M. has a bit of a credibility problem: she's a scient0logist.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 9 March 2012 08:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/arts/television/matthew-weiner-is-silent-on-mad-men-season-premiere.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1&ref=arts
Fun David Chase quote in this piece:
"‘Seinfeld,’ they ended it with them all going to jail. Now that’s the ending we should have had. And they should have had ours, where it blacked out in a diner.”
― "marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 9 March 2012 12:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I agree, but I can always appreciate a good burn.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 9 March 2012 13:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
She's a Hollywood scientologist-by-birth I think, so maybe less damaging to her credibility.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 9 March 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
pretty sure you can switch up once you hit puberty?
― God: Huummm (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 March 2012 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
as with anything really
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 9 March 2012 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
i can't quit u tho s1ocki
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 9 March 2012 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
please try
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 9 March 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
― mizzell, Friday, 9 March 2012 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
If this is really I am buying it. Vodka + ice cream = yum
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 9 March 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
I meant, if this is real.
The alcohol in vodka wouldn't freeze at normal freezer temps and the ice cream would be runny
signed, the guy who would pour bacardi over mint chocolate chip ice cream
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 9 March 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
how do you explain rum raisin then?
― Number None, Friday, 9 March 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
The raisins aren't completely frozen and are embedded in frozen ice cream?
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 9 March 2012 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah but you still put some rum in too. It does make it harder to freeze but it is possible
― Number None, Friday, 9 March 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
they couldn't sell it if there was so much alcohol that it would prevent freezing. the alcohol must cooked off at some point.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 March 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
well yeah, you're not gonna get drunk off it
― Number None, Friday, 9 March 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
A real Mad men-themed ice cream would
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 9 March 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
guys they're flavors
― God: Huummm (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 March 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
of ice cream
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 9 March 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
does this ever start?
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 9 March 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
The series in general? Sort of yes, sort of no.
― Eric H., Friday, 9 March 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
relieved that Bert's in the promo pics for S5. was gonna be bummed if he'd been written out.
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
some spoilers here but nothing that drastic/unexpected:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/tv/mad-men-returns-in-living-color/2012/03/18/gIQAO2rmTS_story.html
― the kids of boris midney high (get bent), Friday, 23 March 2012 01:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pretty cool, the best bit imo is the intro recreation.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 23 March 2012 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Now the black people are protesting outside, as if threatening to become actual characters. I see go-go boots and shorter skirts and blocks of trippy color. I see the first hint of plumage on the men. Don and Megan’s new high-rise apartment is a splash of white carpet and zebra-striped pillows. It’s like their world is about to burst, as we’ve always known it must. This updated “Mad Men” is a mind-blowing retrogasm.
― thomp, Friday, 23 March 2012 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's like when you watched the Beatles Anthology for the first time and halfway through everything started being in color.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 23 March 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
if any of u are canadian you can do this on premiere night:
http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2012/03/23/jessica-pare-festival-mad-men-vs-sorry-rabbi/
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 23 March 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get the CBC, yay!
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 23 March 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
:)
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 23 March 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
what a promotional coup!
― mh, Friday, 23 March 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
would watch (if i had CBC)
― Mordy, Friday, 23 March 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I honestly feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have it, because watching hockey would be a pitiful affair without it.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 23 March 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ya pretty sure CBC planned it that way!
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 23 March 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
woah thats awesome s1ocks!!
― ♆ (gr8080), Friday, 23 March 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol, they changed the photo that originally accompanied the piece to a much better one
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 23 March 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
CBUT but no CBC here ;_;
― Jaq, Friday, 23 March 2012 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
more like jessica parve, mirit
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 March 2012 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm a sucker for demanding girlfriends
― mh, Friday, 23 March 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
JP took exception to that description on my FB haha
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 23 March 2012 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
can I be fb friends with you to see this s1ocki, it is important for my personal development
― mh, Friday, 23 March 2012 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
does itunes put up MM eps right away?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 23 March 2012 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think it's usually within 24 hours, but there have been weird exceptions
― mh, Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wanna host a screening party on sunday night but i dont have cable is the thing
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 24 March 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I think you're probably out of luck on that unless they do something odd about the digital release schedule or if someone has pirated and uploaded the preview copy.
― mh, Saturday, 24 March 2012 15:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
hoping for the latter :D
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 24 March 2012 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
do you have any neighbors with cable? bribe them with snacks to run a really long cable from their place to yours for a couple hours.
― mh, Saturday, 24 March 2012 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
nabes with cabes
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 24 March 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
egad it's almost here!
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
get psychedhttp://blogs.indiewire.com/pressplay/video-essay-its-a-mad-world-a-mad-men-tribute-by-serena-bramble
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
has anyone done a recap of last season done entirely in gifs
― techno pink (reddening), Sunday, 25 March 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes:
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 25 March 2012 21:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
otm
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Sunday, 25 March 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
I love this show.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Sunday, 25 March 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
kvelling @ alison brie's dress:
http://weblogs.variety.com/.a/6a00d8341bfc7553ef01630345ae60970d-pi
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Monday, 26 March 2012 00:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I wonder how much of MM's popularity rested on early 60s fashion (more than one'd think, I expect), and how damaged that popularity will be by late 60s fashion (which I feel like is relatively hideous to most modern eyes).
― Dan I., Monday, 26 March 2012 00:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I wonder how many critics will be like "They're overdoing crazy late 60s styles!" cuz it's almost hard to believe how weirdly people actually started dressing
― Dan I., Monday, 26 March 2012 00:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I wonder a lot of things haha
― Dan I., Monday, 26 March 2012 00:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
banana republic might have some trouble selling/marketing the 1966 stuff to its target audience. although it'll do fine in other places that don't capitalize on drabness.
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Monday, 26 March 2012 00:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
suspect that the major & cooler characters will stay a step or two behind the times in this regard
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 00:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw,
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 00:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
For Mad Men we made turkey meatballs with quinoa with a yogurt sauce with roasted squash!
― JacobSanders, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
10 more minutes and then BOOM, to the DVR!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
We're doing the same, waiting till it has recorded and then playing it so we can skip ads
― JacobSanders, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
The scene between Harry and Roger ftw.
"We can have the conversation you thought we were having."
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
"So will this be every month, or..."
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 03:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Lolling at Megan's Québécois swearing.
― LaMonte, Monday, 26 March 2012 03:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
the baby wipe scene was some seriously lol-trolling. took me a clear couple seconds to decipher the image, half in horror that my tv had actually been hacked and i was reliving goatse all over again.
― kelpolaris, Monday, 26 March 2012 03:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
WHen did Don tell Megan about Dick??
― JacobSanders, Monday, 26 March 2012 03:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
scene with roger and harry had me rollin'
― goole, Monday, 26 March 2012 03:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
-Joan and her mother getting on each other's nerves, maybe my favorite thing about the whole Ep... Sooooooo perfect. Every tiny little jab and raised eyebrow, mwah
- is Megan going to go crazytown, or am I projecting?
- Pete's plaid jacket at the party was outstanding.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 03:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
SHHH! it's just starting on the west coast...
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 04:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
t-minus how long until we figure out megan is not who she says she is?
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 26 March 2012 04:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Why do you think Megan will go nuts? Wondering if she will fall more and more into the scene.
― *tera, Monday, 26 March 2012 04:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 26 March 2012 04:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't think there is anything wrong with her. Maybe normal for the times.
― *tera, Monday, 26 March 2012 04:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
where's a gif of that look pete gave roger sterling..
i think something's up with megan. they said she was an actress, is she really french canadian?
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 26 March 2012 04:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
This show.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 05:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
So glad this is back. Nothing like watching 2 hours of television where almost nothing in particular happens.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 05:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
guys real talk all the black applicants with dusty springfield playing had me trying to figure out wtf was going on and sending me into major film theory conniption fits
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 26 March 2012 05:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
also rape sex is my favorite plot device
*consensual
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 05:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
is now when we start complaining about things being "on the nose"?
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 05:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Johnny Fever, Monday, March 26, 2012 1:42 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You clearly have never had rape sex in the way i phrased it if you have to qualify it.
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 26 March 2012 05:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have no problem with that burn.
Also that was Kimmy Robertson, right?
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 26 March 2012 05:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I watched the first season and never got around to the rest. Do I really need to watch three seasons or can I just jump in to S5?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 26 March 2012 05:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
You could probably get away with skipping season 2. But watch them all honestly. It'd be like skipping to the middle of Infinite Jest or something.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 05:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
alternately, you could stare at a glass of whiskey in low light for a couple hours
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 06:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
while thinking about boobs
dangerously close to something I'd do w/o Mad Men tbh
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 26 March 2012 06:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
let me rephrase: I can start Justified or Breaking Bad from the beginning, or Mad Men from S2 on - which do I do?
Justified is great, but not in the league of Mad Men or Breaking Bad imo. I think I slightly prefer MM to BB, but it could go either way. As the final season of Breaking Bad (broken up into two parts, mind) starts airing this year, you should probably go with that one. Mad Men has another two years after this one for you to catch up.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 26 March 2012 06:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
"You're all so cynical. You don't smile, you smirk."
[whistles nonchalantly while examining the ceiling]
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 06:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― techno pink (reddening), Monday, 26 March 2012 07:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Fwiw I would totally buy Joan's dress in this episode.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 12:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
pete's old office is very telegenic. harry doesn't deserve those blue walls and that cool furniture.
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Monday, 26 March 2012 12:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
milo - at least start with season 3 of mad men which is the best to date. don't skip it. (i don't think skipping first two seasons is as big a deal.)
― Mordy, Monday, 26 March 2012 13:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry giving Don the silver-tipped walking cane."Don Ameche has one!"
lolololol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 13:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Honestly it took me a while to get used to the nothing-happening/significant glances thing after so long away.
And there were a couple of times where I was like, TWO HOURS of this? Really?
I love the show but jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez louise.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
This episode was hilarious!
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Monday, 26 March 2012 13:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I loved how funny it was, I wasn't ready for any heavy drama at the beginning of the season. Also, I was happy with the lack of Betty Draper.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah for real
didn't do that much for me tbh but it's all setup anyway I guess
― dmr, Monday, 26 March 2012 14:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
It was awfully slow
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Monday, 26 March 2012 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well slow is what we expect by now, no?
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i was riveted. i don't even notice the slowness on this show; i think my brain adapted several seasons ago.
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Monday, 26 March 2012 14:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh Harry.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah no kidding, what's his deal? Other than apparently being a wife-swapping libertine whenever he's out of the office.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
He's slimmed down a little in the time off, right?
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't know why, but it struck me funny that Duck had five different contacts in Don's rolodex.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
can't wait til they write Freddy Mercury out of this show like they did with Betty
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
also no that was not Kimmy Robertson
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry and Pete are like two sides of a pathetic coin; Harry's the passive pathetic guy, and Pete's the aggressive pathetic guy.
I can't decide who I enjoy more, but both of them give me so much secondhand embarrassment, it's just great to watch
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I love Pete these days.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
I kind of wish he'd taken it outside with Roger. I knew he wouldn't because it's not his steez AT ALL, but it would have been great to have seen a sidewalk dustup between them.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Fingers crossed that it's still coming.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Megan is so ridiculously pretty but I still get the BWAHAHAH FREDDY MERCURY giggles when she flashes her choppers
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, that was wtf Shakey Mo was talking about this time.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
this really just flew by for me, it didnt feel like 'ppl doing nothing' at all!
biggest LOL: 'there's my baby!'
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
and of course jess kicked ass.
I'm glad Peggy's yid boyfriend is back; he's dreamy.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, that was great.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
so do we think Dr. Rape is going to die off-screen sometime this season or what
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think he's going to singlehandedly stop the vietnam war. REALITY SPLIT.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah love Peggy and her boyfriend
xp
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Trudy taking the wrong side of the protest conversation was very much in character, but still funny.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 16:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete Campbell is the stealth liberal we all always thought he was.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don's "so hire one" at the end seemed like it shoulda been Pete's line
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
When the job applicants all showed up in the lobby I actually shouted at the TV, "Well what did you THINK would happen?"
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
what was that amazing music playing when Kiernan Shipka woke up and went to Don and Megan's room
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya that was cool
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
also her name is 'don's daughter,' not kiernan shipka
SALLY DRAPER, you knobs!
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sally Shipka, let's compromise
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm with veg grrl; the soap opera-ishness of this ep kinda killed it for mei want to see MORE PITCHING OF ADS
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
rewatch s1 in that case I guess
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
more dancing beans
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I for one just love watching miserable people destroy themselves slowly at this point, it makes me feel like I have company.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp YES! I was really looking forward to the bean ballet.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 16:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol, the dancing bean ad idea sucked.I WAS IN KOREA
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's been my biggest struggle with this show from the get-go...as much time is spent on the characters talking to each other as the camera slowly panning over furnishings. In my more cynical moments I'm just like "man this show is just furniture porn for modernists".
and then Pete/Harry/Sally/Joan do something great and I'm happy.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
harry was a bit of a treat this ep, i'll give them that
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
not enough bad things happen to Harry imho
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry's gonna get AIDS.
Joan and Lane have the most respectful professional relationship on the show, they are an inspiration to us all in terms of their basic decency. OTOH Lane is a sad panda who really wants to be Don apparently but can't pull it off.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Lane's little subplot this ep was the most curious insofar as I really didn't know where it was going or what the overall implication was going to be... was a bit worried that he was going to hit on Joan during their little exchange.
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Stan was also enjoyable in this episode, especially when he let Harry dig his own grave in the office kitchen as Megan stood behind him.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah genuine lolz at that
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
was a bit worried that he was going to hit on Joan during their little exchange.
Okay, so I wasn't the only one. Of course he didn't, though, because he's Lane Pryce and he wouldn't do such a thing.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
the soap opera-ishness of this ep kinda killed it for me
I generally think of Mad Men as a very high-end soap opera.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's pretty obviously what it is. It doesn't get any more soap-opera-y than having one of the main story arcs be "married woman with absent husband has somebody else's baby"
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought in soap operas the baby would somehow be the evil twin of a different character entirely. Or a vampire or something.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also, the lead character is not who everyone believes he is.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mr Pryce's conversation with the girl in the photo made me want to crawl out of my skin, just for awkwardness.
Him and Joan are wonderful, and yeah I had a few alarm bells early on but he just SO loves her professionally I was like, oh of course he would never. Sigh of relief.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pretty sure that was a deliberate mislead.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pretty careless of him keeping the photo in his own wallet, though. It could've fallen out when he was giving Mrs. Pryce money for the day.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought he was going to take the money or something, at first I couldn't really figure where it was going. but he's Lane Pryce, so I was very confused for a while.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^yeah I was wondering if he was so broke he needed to steal $100. although initial takeaway was simply "Lane does not trust black people"
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
THIS
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
It was all very strange
Pretty careless of him keeping the photo in his own wallet, though.
Didn't he slide the photo under his desk calendar?
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
he's supposed to be going broke right
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
xxxxp
I only just remembered his somewhat nauseating relationship with his 'chocolate bunny'.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
xpost jaymc: then he put it in his wallet later
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was sorta weird how my interpretation went from "Lane doesn't trust black people" >> "Lane needs money" >>> "Lane is fishing for a date from a whore" >>> "is Lane gonna blackmail this dude or something?" lol
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought his "Oh I write for underground newspapers -- you probably haven't heard of them" was such a douchebag moment.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, I must've missed that, VegGrrl.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
everyone in this show is a douchebag, it's all a matter of degree
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
douchegree
When he was fishing for money to give his wife the next day, the photo was stashed between the bills in his wallet.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was expecting the woman to show up for the wallet and be older/overweight/or in some other way different than the photo he was perving over.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya, it was pretty funny that it was the dude who turned out to be a shlub
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
The photo looked to be a bit older, so I liked the idea he had built up the idea of this woman that doesn't exist.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
it would sort of be the obvious thing to do if she showed up looking different/dumpy, for some reason having it be the guy was just great
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
very madmaniacal plot turn.
The other thing about it that made me laugh was that she sounded a little bit like the mom on Bob's Burgers, so I kept imagining Lane having a flirty phone conversation with this:
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
HA!
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
OH BOBBY
looooool
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
were we meant to get a mob vibe off wallet dude?
― goole, Monday, 26 March 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
pretty schlubby for a mobster
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Totally freaked at Pete's suburban kitchen looking exactly like Don's erstwhile suburban kitchen btw.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, March 26, 2012 9:56 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, i went through the exact same "gross!", "please don't!", "thank god" arc there
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Loved Pete's shocked reaction at seeing Peggy holding baby Kevin.
Very curious about Lane's behaviour - why so broke? Definitely thought he was going to steal the money in the wallet. Actually I Went 'ugh racist' 'ugh thief' 'ugh perv!' but the wife's money questions kept coming up - I guess he put most of his money into SCDP, whereas the others had larger fortunes to begin with.. I guess no one's really getting paid yet?
An entertaining episode, but I would've preferred maybe an hour of 'the gangs' all here!' catchup and then something to actually happen.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also Roger's open disdain for his wife is kinda lolzy/kinda O_o
Like when she asked him what time it was and he's all "Shaddup"
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
love that you don't see him at the staten island terminal
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
re: wild 60s fashion, I think you guys are wildly underestimating American public's willingness to embrace crazy fashion shit. after all, we did it once before, and if any show could re-kickstart hideous late 60s clothing trends it would be Mad Men.
― Mordy, Monday, 26 March 2012 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Lane thing with the girl/schlubby mobster seems an obvious long con, yet to play out.
Nice! Missed this. Also, love the baby names. Kevin. Tammy.
― RCMP, Monday, 26 March 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes, it almost makes me forgive the idea of a woman born in 1940 named Megan.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
same thing in reverse: roger's "my baby!" as he walked up to greet joan & their secret bastard in the hall
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
this was bugging me, too
well Canadians are weird so
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Apparently uncommon in Canada, too:http://www.babynamewizard.com/archives/2010/10/mad-men-and-megan-spotlight-on-a-misunderstood-name
As I mentioned in a comment on that post, Bethany and Allison -- two of Don's conquests last season -- also had names that were also basically unknown in the U.S. (i.e., not among the top 1,000 names for girls) before the end of WWII.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
i was right in that they gave megan the cool late 60s getup, while stan gets the questionable leisurewear
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
repost from rong thred:
<3
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
HAH! Took me a second.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know i know mad men likes pretty ladies but god damn i <3 petes new secretary
― Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, her face look intersting.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's funny, I thought the "And they call us savages!" line at the beginning of the episode was really corny but it turns out it was a real line from an nytimes story on the incident.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw are we now on actor no. 4 in the role of Bobby
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp corny irl too
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hope that Peggy's friend (Mamet's daughter) comes back but she probably won't as she's in that Lena Dunham HBO series.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
shocked that theres not a .gif here of the peggy reaction face when megan mouths 'forty' 2 her
― johnny crunch, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
shocked that theres not a .gif here of megan cleaning
― goole, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
"cleaning"
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
more like "presenting"
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
like a mandrill, to coin MST3K
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
"presenting"
o man, such a gross word. read a couple sci-fi novels by michael swanwick a few years back, and he's just in love with describing his female characters as "presenting". blargh.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
National Lampoon Presents:
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
aww
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
the cigarette, god. the way my brain reacted to that he might as well have been wielding a knife
my how times have changed etc
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
also omg Joan in the hot pink dress with red hair A++++++++++++++++
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
OTM
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
"she doesn't speak french. she doesn't like me."
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
but there's definitely a "joan is old fashioned" message re. joan's pink dress. she's still wearing clothes from 3 years previous. she's stuck. everyone else has moved on but she's going to hang on to her style probably for another 15 years or however long she can buy those dresses for.
― jed_, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
& hair all ratted-up like a teenage jezebel.
― jed_, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Btw slocki's movie was v.good.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
agreed with jed. They're still showing off the cleavage but she's wearing more (manufactured) bulk in her midsection and butt and i don't think that's going anywhere. joan's gonna lose some of that sex appeal as the seventies begin methinks
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
not once she gets back in the office.
guaranteed Joan t-1000 taking bitches OUT
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
mmmmmmi dunno. i think having joan come into her own outside of sexbomb status could be a more interesting plotline
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
why, so freddy mercury can steal her thunder? I say no to that.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
(manufactured) bulk in her midsection
that belly was so obviously cushiony that I can't believe they're having her keep it all year
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
can I make an embarrassing admission: I was transfixed by the way her decolletage rose UP and DOWN with her sobbing in that dress. I was hypnotized.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
well I guess not embarrassing but whatever
I'm only just past the zoobeezoo scene, but ffs, it's 2012: can't directors and editors come to an agreement that when the drummer is playing the hi-hat, that's what we should hear on the soundtrack, and not the ride cymbal? I will give them credit for getting the equipment right, though
/drumgearnerdtalk
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
I love you a little bit more now for that.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
And don't get me started on the fact that the drummer was playing bongos, and yet a full drum kit was also audible. What, are we to believe this was some sort of...(snort)...magic drummer? I hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
Seriously, I do.
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
AND CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION
PS I AM NOT A CRANK
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, March 26, 2012 7:37 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm, the padding only exists sot that it can be removed later on
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
see i was thinking that's a warm up to a heavier fatsuit
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
This is on here somewhere right?
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, March 26, 2012 10:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you watched it <3
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
A homosexual, a French-Canadian sexpot and a single redhead? I think I've found my target demographic.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
um, wtf is going on with Don's hand here? is Dick Whitman actually a tyrannosaurus?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
onetinyhand.com
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 07:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
the internet is so weird
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 07:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
I really enjoyed this, the whole thing was really funny, especially anything involving Harry or Roger. Happy that Bert Cooper's still around as well.
I wonder if the new black secretary, whoever it is, is going to be a significant character? I kinda hope so.
Theme of the ep seems to be that happy Don isn't as good at his job, wonder how that's going to play out?
Also have they ever even hinted about Joan having a bit of a thing for Don before? She seemed really pissy around Megan, but it seems like a weird direction for her character to go at this stage. Loved the scene with Laine and Joan thought - there are so many pairings in this show with great chemistry at this stage.
I didn't really care that not much happened, was great to just re-familiarise with the characters and enjoy the lols.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
Although apparently no one told the scriptwriters that British people don't call the autumn "the fall".
i think joan was just mad that megan's already working as a copywriter
― just sayin, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 10:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah don & joan is maybe the subtlest relationship in the show, always gets overlooked behind don/peggy. i think it's like a real "we are both in control" similar sense of pride mutual respect that they don't even really think about but if they did they'd realise they don't have for anyone else at all? from joan's side it verges on idk almost motherly sometimes but not romantic i don't think; would be lame if the show even hinted at toying with it
dr rape was the don cut-out she thought she was getting (/deserved) obv
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 10:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha idk about anyone else but mainly i found it a refresher course in how stressful watching mad men is. "enjoy the lols" never crossed my mind
kind of summed up by how pete has never been more right despite his weaseliness, don & roger never worse
as ever, interesting the redemptive role the success of the business plays
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 10:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
>Loved the scene with Laine and Joan
THIS. Loved the whole double episode tbh. Jared Harris's performance throughout gave me cause to reflect on what an truly excellent and versatile actor he is. Comparing Laine with a role like Captain Mike in Benjamin Button one would scarcely believe they were the played by the same person, but he inhabits them entirely.
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 12:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
It took me about two thirds of the film to realise that was him as Moriarty in Sherlock Holmes 2.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 12:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Are Pete and Trudy living in Don's old house?
I loved Pete's wistful sigh when trudy was bitching about the traffic noise in Don and Megan's place.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
He was so good in Sherlock Holmes 2, it made me sad that the part was so puny and insubstantial.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
wau @ onetinyhandsome serious lols!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Lane Pryce actor is A+ in Fringe
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
ooh i hope so. megan just hasn't earned it (queen bee status) yet, baby.
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
I almost enjoyed the Lane/Joan recap of the party as much as the party! OK, well, not really, but his pantomime was amazing. Jared Harris has really been getting a lot of tv/film parts where he's been able to shine in the last few years.
Don and Peggy still have this great professional/personal thing going where they're like brother and sister, in a way. Her reaction to Megan doesn't seem to be disapproval, but a lot more nuanced -- like she is skeptical of her professionally, but due to her affection for Don she seems to want it to work.
Megan's character is.... going to be interesting. I can't tell if she's really manipulative, kind of manipulative and still earnest, or something else altogether.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
sterling stuff was really great, how useless and annoying he is, what i really like about this show is that doesnt necc mean he'll get any sort of comeuppance at all
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think Megan's probably a decent person. She occupies a completely different paradigm to Don though, and I'm not sure their attraction is a great deal more than an intense sexual one.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nah Don sees Megan as some kind of perfect mother Maria von Trappe anti-Betty figure as well, I think? Probably a load of issues around Anna's death in there as well. Either way that's probably not the way Megan sees herself, or Don's kids for that matter.
I couldn't work out whether or not Megan is any good at her job - I'm thinking yes but everyone including Peggy ignores that because she's the boss's wife...
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don sees Megan as some kind of perfect mother Maria von Trappe anti-Betty figure as well, I think?
Yeah I think you're right, but he's projecting massively there. She's not particularly maternal, she just has fun hanging out with the kids (who by the way seemed kind of wary of her in this ep). That's certainly a step up on Betty though.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes! I'm just ranting at this point with my impressions as I remember them since I just watched this before bed last night. Front-loading the new Pete/Roger dynamic in the first episode of the season was clever. I can't believe Roger fell for the Staten Island prank.x-p
It's interesting that the Don/Megan dynamic is similar to something I saw with one of my friends recently. Don's attention is hard to keep in that he has seemed to need to challenge himself from all aspects in the past -- being energetic at work, holding down the checklist of wife/kids, and the string of affairs. Last season was mostly that falling apart in his home life. Now, he's got all three in one situation -- a woman who has the energy level he has (or did have, since he's now "old") who is also his home life (with all the conflict, since Don's personal life is supposed to have a dignified pretense), and a workplace where he's now disconnecting due to multiple factors but widely because Megan is there, too.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm assuming he hasn't had any affairs since getting with Megan (certainly not much chance to with them working together) but who knows.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I doubt it. Probably part of why he's so run down is he doesn't have as much "Don time," which was partly used in the past for affairs but he also seems like kind of a dude who needs space.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think that's a big part of the reason he was so irked by the surprise party.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also have they ever even hinted about Joan having a bit of a thing for Don before?
The scene that convinced me the show will never go down that road was the two of them in the hospital waiting room after the office party lawnmower incident. It's been a long time since I've seen that ep, but it signified to me then and there that it's a completely platonic relationship built of mutual respect.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
not so sure. joan had a line about being sad at missing seeing don's blushes during megan's dance.
― jed_, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
doesn't say much, everyone thinks don is handsome
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
It was something like "I can only imagine that man becomes more handsome when he's blushing," which falls in line with the mutual respect thing imo. They're the king and queen of their little work world and they each know it (Joan had some doubt when she saw the ad in the paper, but Lane put things right).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
you guys are basically shipping right now
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
Crazy there isn't a Mad Men porn yet.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
took me three seconds
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
poor phrasing perhaps
i hope you at least rewound
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Huh, these porn parodies are usually better at making sure the costumes are somewhat accurate.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha ya that dude
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
― circa1916, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/news/jon-hamm-i-hated-working-in-porn-16134851.html
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Whatever happened to the great porn names? 'This isn't [x]: An XXX Parody' is so disappointing.
― Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya its crazy to me that as soon as those porn parodies seemed to get really popular they just dispensed with the hilarious names
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
starring
don dripperjoan hollowaaaay downpegging olsonbutt cooper
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
loling at the simplicity yet hilarity of "butt cooper"
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Rogerer Sterling
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Roger Sperming
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
^ win
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
I LOVE the cheesy mid-sixties fashion! I also LOVE Megan and I wanted to hold her tightly after she got all sensitive. And then when she dommed Don.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I also HATE Harry Crane and I am glad Don hates him, too.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Spermling, surely.
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
harry crane is the best.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry Crane is the best at being the worst. I think that's why he is beloved.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
i really miss paul and sal. will we ever see them again?
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^this. lots of horrible things happen to people on this show, I wish more of them happened to Harry, who is loathsome in every way.
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
he's just so hopeless. so fantastically hopeless.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
he's a coward, a lech, an idiot, and with no skills/attractive traits into the woodchipper with him
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
he's no worse than 90% of the other guys on this show. he just is not attractive.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
90% of the other guys are immoral, predatory, racist, cruel, vindictive, whatever but they are also all smarter and/or more creative than he is. he's just a lump.
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry's the closest thing to an IRL unlikeable, trying too hard, weak officeworker, which is why I love him. He's note-perfect.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
how long until one of the characters murders someone?
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Who's the guy in the Palm Beach golf-type outfits in the office? He must do his job really well to get away with that, or it's just a way for Banana Republic to have a casual line for summer. On a related note, loved Don's mustard raincoat.
― (Dre) vs. (Eazy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.insound.com/madmen/
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes, he seems too pathetic to hate.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Who's the guy in the Palm Beach golf-type outfits in the office?
stan rizzo (jay r. ferguson), new art director brought in last year iirc. gets away with it due his role, i suppose.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I've supposed that as well.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:45 (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
When he gets into his sixties he runs for to become 2012 Republican nominee for Presidency
― Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Crane's passive aggressive cowardice and SELF IMPORTANT attitude is SO annoying. He's always crowing about how he's THE HEAD OF HIS DEPT, ETC but I have yet to see him to do anything worthwhile. He definitely slimmed down (not sure if that was purposeful) AND I thought for a moment when he arrived at Don's party, that he was now single. But it seems no. He's just a philandering creep (who's not hot enough to do as much philandering as he'd like).
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also I am really starting to love Layne.He was REAL CHUFFED as being seen as a gentleman.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
The wallet incident made me uncomfortable -- was he taking it because he didn't trust the cabdriver or because he was thinking about stealing the money/perving over pictures? Him being racist would seem worse to me than just being sort of desperate.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
it could be racism. i was wondering that too. also, most cabbies aren't exactly rolling in the dough - that might be more to do with it? (or not)
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
or just I am Britisher Executive, I am much more well placed to do this good deed than any lowly cab driver
maybe
I don't know honestly. Felt like racism at first but who tf knows
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was sort of an underlying theme of the ep, so who knows?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I took it ambiguously at first, just as the cabbie did - it was just a sense of being uncomfortable with there being this wallet, that Lane had kind of found, that was in his hands and he didn't want to pass it off and trust someone else with it. It could be a racial thing, a class thing, a distrust of taxi driver thing, who knows? I thought that the driver kind of paused and then brushed it off after getting Lane's card.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
To be fair, the driver also said something about dropping it off in the lost and found, implying it'd be changing hands again and neither of them would have responsibility anymore. I can see where Lane would rather take care of it as an honorable thing to do.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
whole thing seems like a preamble to something else, hard to tell what
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Lane using mafia connections to set up some sort of future money and/or advertising deal, imo
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think it was just Lane being proper englishman to be compared later with his lechery over the photo and then contrasted with his meeting with the wallet owner and the whole, "this is how we do things here," spiel
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
def racist. I think they're setting up lane to have major issues with the eventual black hire?
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
what about his black girlfriend?
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
"I can't be a racist, some of my favorite mistresses are black"?
The irony of being called a gentlemen by a guy whose personal photo he has just stolen.
xposts
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
people are complicated. and i'm sure there are class issues too.i wish this show was as serious and thought out as it wanted to be. There's pretensions of DEEP MEANINGFUL SOCIAL EXPLORATION but it's all gloss
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, i dunno about the lane = racist read. think the struggle with the cabdriver was there more to raise questions than to make any clear point.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
dudes it not like people are like "i am going to do this particular thing for a RACIST reason and this other thing for a CLASSIST reason"
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
could be that it was a throwaway scene added to explain how he ends up with the photo and no-one really thought through WHY he would want to keep the stupid wallet in the first place.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wish this show was as serious and thought out as it wanted to be. There's pretensions of DEEP MEANINGFUL SOCIAL EXPLORATION but it's all gloss
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
are you joking, what would you have liked to have happened in this situation, a deep meaningful exploration of layne's racism?
$100 in 1966 money is over $600 in 2010 money, and he sort of changed his mind after he noticed how much money was in there.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
perhaps it'd have been more clear if Lane had yelled "hands off, negro lackey! I will make sure this wallet returns to the place from whence it came!"
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
He gives the cabby his card and tips him.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
he sure does.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
"here's a tip, cabby. don't wade into the ilx mad men thread."
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
sort of agree, cuz i do wish it were willing do dig a little deeper, cut a little sharper, but my bigger problem is that it's starting to really feel like a traditional soap opera, in that, despite all the ups and downs, it doesn't really seem to be going anywhere. first few seasons gave me the sense that it's structure was novelistic, that these various pieces were being put in place to some meaningful narrative purpose.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
fucking "it's"
If you found a wallet in the back of a cab and was about to hand it to the cab driver and noticed it had $600 in it, and you were having money problems, what would you do?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
demon struggle
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
ilx mad men threads always make me glad the writers do their own kinda weird, sometimes inscrutable things and not the super obvious TV things everyone seems to always want them to do
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
ilx mad men threads are fun because so much of nothing happens in the show and yet we always have so much to talk about
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am throwing my buddha trinket at this thread.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah nothing happened, except the birthday party, the office-switching stuff, Joan bringing the baby into work, a steamy phone conversation, French pop musical number, commentary on the civil rights and occupy struggles, etc.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don't forget the rough sex!
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think it was a mix of things but obviously a slight distrust of the cab driver had something to do w/ it. i liked this moment for the same reasons as s1ocki.
i liked the quiet irony of when layne dismissed 1/2 of the "negroes" by saying they were only hiring secretaries. even though the context was "civil rights" there are these narrowly defined gender roles (discrimination) that nobody in the room cared to question at that moment.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
also do you think that all the black folks showing up to apply for a job was just a spontaneous reaction to their "equal employment" ad or if it was a concerted action to test the sincerity of that ad?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, that whole "secretaries are female" thing, and that all of the black men (and women!) didn't really question it was a decent commentary on the mixed state of racial/gender/workplace politics
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
despite all the ups and downs, it doesn't really seem to be going anywhere.
Well, the show is going *somewhere*: to the end of the 1960s.
I'm not saying that to be snarky, either. I think a lot of the show's momentum comes from the anticipation of how the characters will react to and interact with the changing times.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
What do all of you think of the way with which the receptionist was canned? She was kind of iffy, but it was kind of a quick turnaround from "we don't need to hire anyone" to "weakest link on the chain just carried a racist statue through the entryway past the group that would be offended, dump her"
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait was she canned? i must have missed that.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
first few seasons gave me the sense that it's structure was novelistic, that these various pieces were being put in place to some meaningful narrative purpose
I think, like the Sopranos, they weren't sure where it was all going for the first couple seasons (might get cancelled! or in the Sopranos case have a major player die lol) and now that the show's place is secure and Wiener's given it an end-date, we are going to see some very methodical, multi-season plotting with a definite "narrative purpose".
also s1ocki OTM w this: glad the writers do their own kinda weird, sometimes inscrutable things and not the super obvious TV things everyone seems to always want them to do
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't think that's a thing that happened, was it? xps
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
"weakest link on the chain just carried a racist statue through the entryway past the group that would be offended, dump her"
this was totally grounds for firing. she did a really stupid thing, which was immediately identified and she knew she should have known better.
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i couldn't get a bead on how we are supposed to understand megan. was the presence of her arty/homosexual friends meant to underline the generational divide between her and her husband? that struck me as a bit over the top, her coquettish song-and-dance routine included.
i did like how almost everyone in the office had a different assumption of how don must have been reacting to that.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well, they had no open positions, then they asked her if she'd just carried it through the entryway past all the waiting people, and then the scene cut to them announcing an open receptionist position.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh i see.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
the exchange between Meredith the receptionist and Joan was awesome in its awkwardness.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is kind of small potatoes, but i wish they had trusted the audience to get the point re. pete sending roger to staten island without underlining it -- i like when this show dares to handle things much more elliptically than is standard in TV.
The implication was that they solved the "how can we hire a black person without money" problem by taking advantage of the heedless receptionist's errors and firing her.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's true, but the first couple seasons were built around these ticking-bomb plot devices: don's secret, peggy's secret, the suggestion that don's life and marriage were collapsing. it seemed as though an examination of an era were being tied to a narrative that was moving in a definite direction, like television's revolutionary road or something. the longer it's gone on, the the less there's any clear sense of overarching narrative structure. not saying that the more prosaic "here's what happened next" stuff that's replaced it is uninteresting or unsatisfying, and it's probably more true to life, but i do find myself a little frustrated by the lack of attention paid to some of the story threads that first attracted me. plus want more betty.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya i liked that you didnt actually see him at staten island but maybe it would have been better to not see him wake up at all and just have his little line about "pranks" or whatever to acknowledge that it had happened
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, i think the whole party scene and the subsequent rape-sex were meant to underline the fact that megan and don have almost nothing in common with one another, aside from mutual physical attraction.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am actually content with less Betty in the show, now. The new problem of Don losing focus on his career could be more catastrophic than anything, really. His ability to pull things together has been pretty much key to his persona. I spent half the episode wondering if he'd just turned into a younger Roger Sterling.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
and over the top or not, "zou bisou bisou" was so flippin great
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol misread it as 'mutant physical attraction' which also actually kinda otm
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don's arc is totally mirroring Sterling, this seems pretty blatant
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Roger's the only father figure he has etc
announcing an open receptionist position
No - they explicitly said "we can't have one of them sitting out front" and Lane said the job opening was for a secretary.
― Jaq, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't buy the idea that Don and Megan have little in common. Megan's friends are definitely more of the late 60s era, but what about Don's dalliances with the beat crowd? There are also some parallels with Betty and the whole model/actress thing. If anything, they're both born manipulators of people, too. Megan being cold and then manipulative when she mis-stepped isn't that far out of step with early-period Don Draper.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
don's arc is mirroring sterling's, and pete's is starting to mirror don's. the circle of liiife.
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
So will Sterling lose his testicles so he can mirror Cooper?
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Cooper never married!
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Is Sterling becoming the new Bert Cooper? Cooper was the one who used to have the large office with art affectations and less client interaction. He's aging into the seniority but without the respect.
lol at testicles
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
er, I didn't read Don and Megan banging on the carpet as rapey at all. Rough, yeah. But big difference between that and Joan and her husband.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
I wasn't going to address that at all since a fictional portrayal is kind of in the eye of the beholder, but that did not really code as rapey to me. Definitely a game to put Don in his place and challenge his aggression.
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah it was a dom thing
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Remember too that Don used to have hookers beat him during sex.
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
dom drapentino
― ralphs vons williams (get bent), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
not really outside the realm of normal
― mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
okey, fine, rough sex
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
but what about Don's dalliances with the beat crowd?
i don't think he really had anything in common w them, either. he was just intrigued, looking for something new to take his mind off stuff. read peggy as don 2 more than pete.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
My personal feeling on Don Draper, and I maybe 100% alone in this is he's some kind of low-level sociopath or something. He doesn't really engage/care about anyone really at all, and his interactions are more in the manner of someone studying insects. Like he mimics emotion but I'm not sure that he really has them all that deeply, most of the time anyway. Kinda like a 60's Patrick Bateman without a bird's eye view of his inner fantasy life.
I dunno. That might be just me and my overactive imagination.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
no, that's exactly how i see him. but i think he sort of "has things in common" with people to the extent that they respect him, don't poke their noses in shit, and behave in a manner that he thinks of as appropriate. plus be hot and sleep with him. betty seems to have fulfilled all this for quite some time, until she didn't anymore. megan doesn't seem like an ideal replacement.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
dunno how anyone could get the impression Don didn't have feelings for Anna. who was not hot, and didn't sleep with him.
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
when DID megan find out about the whole Dick Whittman thing?
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
between season 4 and 5
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
no fair
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I demand Season 4.5
no between season shenanigans
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
He is not a sociopath to the level of Patrick Bateman, by any stretch. He's definitely pretty emotionally dead, though.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I also disagree on Anna being not hot, too... maybe not "a dish" but she was a very good looking woman.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
(But also older than Don, and probably a mother figure that he lacked so much in his life)
Anna was p hot. She was the crazy Church wife in True Blood!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait nm
also handicapped, which I'm pretty sure Don did not find attractive
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dunno - dude's pretty kink!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
compared to the other slinky, usually Jewish women Don had the hots for, Anna wasn't really in that league. I dunno, seems like they went out of their way to demonstrate that Don/Anna's relationship was not sexual in nature, which is all I was getting at. He was not interested in her as either arm candy, wife, or sexual conquest.
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
really he loved her because she was the only person who could make him feel like he wasn't a liar/fraud/asshole
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
The department store lady is still my favorite. Rachel?
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yep, Rachel Menken. Or Mencken perhaps idk
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Whenever Don has a platonic relationship with a woman it throws everyone off because it goes against type.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's just Peggy and Anna...?
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
hard to say if he genuinely engages with/relates to Peggy or just appreciates her as his lapdog/babysitter
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Joan. xp
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
hard for me to believe that Don has no human regard for Peggy after s4e6
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I remember S4E06 being the one where they spent the whole ep together and that it was really, really nice, though all the details have escaped me. Did Don ever piece together that she'd had a baby between S1 & S2?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
uh Don went to visit her after her pregnancy, he totally knew about the baby.
right, forgot Joan.
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's the episode. and yes, he visited her in the hospital, there's a flashback sometime in s2. "It will shock you how much this never happened." In s4e06 they obliquely refer to the baby incident. "My mother thinks you're responsible." "Do you know how it was?" "Of course." xp
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
WHO it was
implication is that Don thinks it was Duck tho, not Pete
I need to rewatch older seasons. I've forgotten a lot.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
the point about her carrying it through the office wasn't that they'd have to fire the woman, but that they'd be called out on their racism if they didn't pretend that the ad was for real.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
wrt Don/Peggy, I don't think it really humanized Peggy to him overall. Maybe in the moment, somewhat, but I'd wager that Don just saw it more as confirmation of her being yet another flawed human in the parade of flawed humans that cross his path every day.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, the don = sociopath thing can definitely be overstated, that's why i liked vegegrrl's "low level" modifier. he has feelings, but i just don't think they run particularly deep, and they're subject to revision or abandonment at a moment's notice if they get in the way.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just think he sees everything as transient and fleeting and unimportant, that people are too tied to childish feelings or overinflated ideas of importance...he might get caught up in things every now and again, and play at being a normal person, but he's only ever acting, and he can never really fully connect. the remove helps him move on, but it's also WHY he moves on. all the time.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought Megan was sooooooooooo gorgeous until yeah....I started to see the Freddy Mercury thing. But there is also a Muppet that looked that way, can't remember which one.
I gave up thinking she's a time bomb, especially after waiting for the teacher to blow up seasons back.I thought for sure the teacher would really pull something but she just walked away. So not getting my hopes up too much for Freddy Mercury. Hope I will be surprised though.
I didn't see that as a rape scene at all. I thought it was total role playing with Megan knowing exactly what she was doing and Don getting turned on and catching on.
Pete is my new favorite character.
― *tera, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
like i figure don could easily kill a man, a women and perhaps even a child if he felt he had to, and i can't imagine he'd loose too much sleep over it in the long run. i can't really see him putting himself in a situation where such a thing would seem necessary, though, either physically or mentally. he's smarter than that.
i can see him packing up and running off to start a new life if things got weird, becoming the sort of absent father who sends money/calls only once or twice a year.
the biggest counterargument would be his long-term support of and seeming affection for the real mrs. don draper. maybe that was partly an insurance thing though, i dunno.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
thought Megan was sooooooooooo gorgeous until yeah....I started to see the Freddy Mercury thing. ― *tera, Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:11 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah otm
― ༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Megan reminds me of Gloria on The Sopranos.
― (Dre) vs. (Eazy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
zooby zooby zoo is a total earworm.
x-post couldn't see don killing someone, he's too repressed to ever get that angry or conspicuous.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
I didn't see that as a rape scene at all.
i didn't mean rape, btw. in saying "rape-sex", i just meant sex that plays with force and refusal. she pretended to resist him, and he physically overpowered her resistance.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
that was my point. he'd never allow it to come to that, but if for whatever reason it did, it wouldn't ruffle him overmuch, except in the pragmatic "how do i deal with this problem?" sense.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
just say dom/sub or something. "rape sex" isn't a kind of sex.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dunno, i think he'd be horrified. he is not a violent person to me. i think he is fundamentally a good person, but struggling under the weight of some severe identity problems and mental problems, which the show has only scratched the surface of. i think it's why he's such a believable character, tons of people are like this and prob way moreso in that era, but it will be a major challenge if they ever try to unpick him more. i mean, even the viewers can't be too sure of what lies beneath with don.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
ookey, fair enuf. do think a fair number of folks like to play at exactly that sort of thing, though this wasn't an example.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
i feel this push and pull as to whether or not to try to understand "fifth season don draper" in terms of what "first season don draper," etc. experienced and did. you could argue that one of the nice things about television is that characters have these long histories that could be brought to bear (in the show itself or in viewers' imaginations) in terms of understanding their actions in recent episodes. and certainly mad men makes use of that. (though i'm not always sure how often we are actually being consciously cued to recall a particular interaction from several seasons ago vs. we choose as an audience to recall that interaction in the process of trying to understand/anticipate the current episode/season.)
but at the same time both creators and audiences don't generally have long, very accurate memories and it's equally true that the don draper character we watch in this season is not, and doesn't have to be, the same don draper as we watched in earlier seasons. his character has changed not just because of some implied or explicitly stated process of internal development, but because the interests of the writers, the contours of the drama, and in some sense the demands/needs of the audience have demanded that change. in other words the shifts in don draper's character--the seeming inconsistencies--don't have to "code" as realistic because TV drama is not a fundamentally realistic form. we don't engage with it exactly or even nearly as we would with a person IRL, even if there are inevitable, useful, and innneresting ways that the two types of engagement overlap.
all this to say that there are two, not necessarily incompatible options:
A) the apparent shift in the way don relates to the world that transpires over the course of (and between) seasons can be explained "realistically," as the kind of drift and complexity that "normal" humans can be said to undergo/have in the context of this ever changing world in which we live in.
B) the shift cannot really be explained realistically, but we go with it (or not) b/c we enjoy (or don't) the way the drama in its present form engages us.
i think that the artistic prestige that's conferred upon people like matt weiner makes it somewhat necessary for them to explain things in terms of (A) (since "artistic quality" is traditionally cast in terms of formal coherence/consistency and indeed consistency of authorial vision). and much of the audience is likely to go along with that. but i think it's just as likely that (B) is what's happening. it's interesting how more "low-brow" shows will actually make these shifts more baldly ("yeah, we got rid of that character because audiences hated her"/"we decided to make john more likable this season") because they are under less (internal and external) pressure to provide high-minded justifications for their artistic choices.
anyhow.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
many xposts to *tera: I have a vague hope that Megan is the new hot-chick with the crazy eyes, who eventually burns down Sterling Cooper or runs down Betty Draper in a car or something.
I doubt it. She's too mild and it's not like her emotional fluctuations last episode were any big woop given what a PIA Don Draper is on a day to day basis, but still. I can dream.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dunno, i think he'd be horrified. he is not a violent person to me
I remember him being pretty unpleasantly physical to Bobbie Barrett that time in the restaurant. Like, he didn't just put his hand where it didn't belong, he hurt her. I could see him doing major damage to someone if he had to.
― trishyb, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
and only Don Draper would have an awesome party in an amazing apartment and be all hate parties lemme eat worms I hate u
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Maybe now when I tell ppl i hate birthdays they will just think i'm sexy.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think he is fundamentally a good person, but struggling under the weight of some severe identity problems and mental problems, which the show has only scratched the surface of.
agree that he's not violent by nature, but this doesn't mean that he lacks the capacity. i do think that don's fundamental identity is very much in question, though. he's shown signs of decency and concern for his fellow man, but also of a kind of creepily adaptable moral vacancy. agree, too, that this isn't terribly unusual, that if don really is a "low level sociopath", then an awful lot of people share the affliction.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's interesting how more "low-brow" shows will actually make these shifts more baldly ("yeah, we got rid of that character because audiences hated her"/"we decided to make john more likable this season") because they are under less (internal and external) pressure to provide high-minded justifications for their artistic choices.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:26 PM (4 minutes ago)
for ex, the distinct nicening of steve carell's michael scott after the first season of the american version of the office. no explanation needed or given.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
wrt Don/Peggy, I don't think it really humanized Peggy to him overall
yeah I think this is debatable. what that episode really did was humanize Don for PEGGY. Don spends most of the episode treating her like shit/being a complete asshole, then breaks down, cries, passes out in her lap. Wakes up, tells her to go home, then gets back to work like nothing happened.
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
actually I had horrible flashbacks to highschool with Don's I Hate Birthdays steez -- I called my friend to wish her a happy birthday and she hung up on me, and wouldn't answer the phone when I tried to call back. I got mad at her the next day, and she was all HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT I HATE BIRTHDAYS FOR YOU TO STOP MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF MY BIRTHDAYand I felt really terrible.
didn't lead to any dom-sexytimes resolution though :/
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
people who regularly make a super big deal out of HATING STUFF, entirely refusing to engage on any positive level w the HATED THING, and making sure that other people are at all time 100% fully aware of the INTENSE HATE are just the worst
i hate them
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
At first I was like, yes but we like you and we like that you were born! don't u see?she didn't see.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
The signs were there for Megan to see, though. His children bought him a nice, low-key present and said happy birthday and he was fine with that and not at all insistent on any kind of celebration (beyong going out for cheesecake in lieu of birthday cake), and Peggy warned Megan that he wouldn't like the party. It was her own fault.
― trishyb, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 23:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Roger ruining the surprise was awes
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 23:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
just have his little line about "pranks" or whatever to acknowledge that it had happened
Nah – when Pete had his giraffe secretary put the fake meeting down I was shouting “c’mon make it believable, Roger’s not THAT dumb” – if they hadn’t shown Roger getting up, then the “prank” line would have read like him smacking Pete for so clumsily trying to pwn him, not him wryly acknowledging “ok Campbell you win this one, quality pwning lil homie”
Also I very much liked that it showed that the harsh punishment consisted of making Roger get up at the same time one day that Pete has to every day, to commute in from his hated suburban lovenest.
No way, Bobbie was mega into it, not in pain.
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 00:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I assumed Roger just wouldn't bother cos it was at 6am
― Number None, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 00:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
“c’mon make it believable, Roger’s not THAT dumb”
i dunno. he obviously once had hella game, but his brain's been pickling for years.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 00:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
last year i was living in NYC and commuting to Greenwich, CT every day for work. i drove, which was bad enough (~hour commute if traffic was heavy), but ten or twenty times i had to take the train, and even with 2012 trains + scheduling (lulz, this is public transportation we're talking about - trains - probably the same exact technology as in the 60s tbh) it could be a grueling 2+ hour trip door to door.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 00:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think the fact that pete obviously pines to be living in the city again makes him much more sympathetic
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
also there is really this sense with successful people (admen, doctors, lawyers, etc.) that moving to the 'burbs is somehow something that just _has_ to happen, esp. once you have a child. so many folks i know insisted that they would stay in the city and then, sure enough, moved to winnetka or whatever as soon as they started having (or planning) children. there must be some very real pressure to do this (spoken or most likely unspoken). it adds a ton of hassle in terms of commute and having the mortgage hanging over your head means you can't take a step off of the treadmill.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
really missing betty in this episode - she's the character with the most psychological depth. she's a vital hinge in the show and amazingly well acted by january jones. a lot of the characters are too "one note": i don't believe pete and i think the actor is particularly bad but it's probably not his fault that he's as bad as he is. i'm kinda surprised that they let it pass, though.
― jed_, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
someone who loves betty and hates pete is watching a different show from me
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate Betty
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh you can hate her but you can believe her. pete is just some thin pastiche and badly acted to boot.
― jed_, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
rongrongrong
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
― *tera, Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:11 PM (Yesterday)
Pretty much. I loved the scenes of him and his commuting buddies.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
And yes, he's an excellent actor. Particularly in the last season (and this one too by the looks of things)
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
pete is the best.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
i kinda feel like i totally understand pete. he's slimy and gross, but he's slimy and gross in a way that is incredibly relatable to me
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
betty is a cipher tbh
there is nothing badly acted about Pete
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think there's a fair bit of bad acting in the show though, it's not just pete.
― jed_, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
i still like it.
― jed_, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
there must be some very real pressure to do this (spoken or most likely unspoken).
Tbf, a lot of people do it b/c of a belief (real or imagined) in the superiority of the suburban schools. Although I suppose if you're well-off, you might also have the option of sending your kids to private school.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i kind of love betty, kind of hate her. i liked the character a great deal in the fist couple seasons, but after her break w don, i got the feeling that matthew weiner was working through some issues wr2 the way the character was written. she came to seem worse and worse as a person, which would be okay in general, but something in the way it was handled made me feel sympathetic towards what i viewed as "the real betty", as though we were only seeing her through the scrim of weiner's weird hostility.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
She's well drawn but heart always sinks a bit when she comes on screen cos I know something depressing is likely to happen soon.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
i would not be disappointed if january jones was never in another episode of mad men. i'm sure she'll be back next week tho :/
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
dunno if we'll see much at all of Betty this season what with January Jones having a kid and the character having little or no function in the show anymore
― Number None, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
She was not very good at all in that X-Men flick.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Though I dunno if I blame Jones for that as it's really not her milieu
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, but she was horrible in that x-men flick
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
but she's awesome in mad man.
― jed_, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
don't like Pete as a person, looooove Pete as a character and Kartheiser is a virtuoso at playing a huge range of delicate variances on his weaseliness and entitlement
can very happily see no more of Betty than that porch light all year
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Betty is the poop in the punchbowl
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
she was good in The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada but that role basically was Betty Draper by any other name
― Number None, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think there's a problem of register in the show where some of the people are acting natural and others are acting like in the old movies.
the (older) secretary (the one who took the $50 off cooper to buy a hat) was awesome.
― jed_, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
jed otm. both about register dissonance and the (older) secretary. while pete is an interesting character and i don't think of kartheiser as a bad actor, necessarily, i'm never convinced that i'm watching/listening to a real human being. i always see the uncomfortable attempt so seem, to deliver. this is certainly in keeping with the character, but not in a way that seems genuine.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is probably true of the cast in general, though. they all seem like "tv people", with the exception of a few minor characters. naturalism clearly isn't the point. even in that context, though, pete's unnaturalism stands out.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
everybody is always putting on an act, everybody is don draper
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
can you elaborate? perhaps to 450 pages?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
you're all crazy. Pete has the natural unease and daily panic of a man who has invested all his energy into pretending he's in control. It's all in his eyes and reactions, he's SO good. And not that I'm biased but Kartheiser was practically a kid when he was in Angel and he nailed the hell out of that too.
I dislike Betty Draper's character which means it's well written enough for me to have a reaction, and I can't stand irl January Jones so it all becomes a convergence of dislike when she's on screen. She is v pretty, she wears nice sundresses, and she sometimes looks nice when she actually smiles. That is as far as I will go :)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think jones is kind of crappy actress.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 02:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
she always seems to play the obvious emotion, and there's rarely a suggestion of conflicted feelings emanating from her body language or countenance. it's all produced by the context.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 02:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
karthesier may not create a "naturalistic" character (though pete as a construct is plenty plausible) but he is impossibly entertaining and interesting and that's what counts IMO
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 02:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Footnotes of Mad Men is back in action again: http://madmenunbuttoned.com/
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 02:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, that i agree with. i don't always enjoy pete's presence as much as you and VG seem to, but kartheiser certainly gives him more layers than jones does betty draper.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, there's something disheveled or unstable about Pete. But he seems to be doing good, and he's a hard worker. Feels like every time something good happens to him I have to feel happy for him cos things may crumble to pieces at any time.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^This. On the same tip, loved the whole wtf?-ness of this incident:
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1hljuavC31qzoaqio1_500.gif
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was hoping he'd have a big swollen nose/bandage for the rest of the episode at least, or some kleenex shoved up his nose.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya - i'll *start* liking him in a weird way, but then he'll run off and molest an au pair and i'm right back to loathing him more than ever before.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
^ the more you watch that, the worse it gets
actually, it's pretty bad to begin with, but it still gets progressively worse despite
― kelpolaris, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
That trip and hit nose thing is very Dick Van Dyke gone wrong....
― *tera, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete's giraffe secretary!!! I kept asking T. what's wrong with that girl, why don't I like looking at her??
― JacobSanders, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
omg
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
she is pretty
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 06:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
whatever weird crap they pull or do not pull with megan, working with and living with same person is a time bomb. especially when other people are between you in the chain of command. you could already see strong hints of this.
― goole, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 06:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
pete's secretary may be an alien, but i have no problem with her plans for the human race
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 06:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
goole: This is true...
― *tera, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 06:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not sure I'd diagnose Don as a low-level sociopath. I certainly wouldn't call him emotionless. Being a 'whorechild' and growing up in the circumstances he did, he'll always feel like a fraud to some degree. I'm not sure if it's as much about "being found out" as much as it is revealing who he is, even if he doesn't quite know that. The early seasons really played up that "American Dream" business in that here's a guy who came from nothing and then he saw an opportunity and just took it, but the consequences for him, psychologically, have never really gone away. He has an innate ability to tap into something that people respond to, and he knows how to work a room and play 'the game', but all that bullshit artifice strains him. His character through the whole series has been this push-pull between what he believes is expected and 'should' be (that very particular American dream-lifestyle) and how he feels he is. He gets unnecessarily shitty when he feels somebody is out-of-line with the lifestyle as he thinks it should be, even if he doesn't quite belief it. He's built up a lot of defences, which is why it was really awkward and horrible to see him fall off the deep end with the drinking last season, or see him walking into work hand-in-hand with his new wife in this episode. It was especially horrible when he was confronted with having work people in his home, something that Megan didn't understand at all.
I also think he has a deep understanding and love for Peggy, and he's probably shitty to her in a boss-way because either a.) he thinks its good for her or b.) he hates that he lets his guard down with someone and overcompensates.
I'm really interested to see how the Megan relationship will work. At the end of last season, I wasn't the only going "oh god Don" when he chose the young, beautiful secretary over the (slightly) more age-appropriate marketing psychologist who seemed to have a really good understanding of him as a person (but she also clashed with his ideals of what a mother should be, thereby bumping up against his view on what 'family' life should be). He seems to be trying though, and being honest with her about Dick Whitman and all that could lead to some interesting places. He's making an effort to be more open, but is also not entirely comfortable with it. I think she could be good for him in a way. She's very naive though. Pare is great at it though. She gets that balance of naive youth and self-assured right. So far, at least. We'll see where the character goes.
I have more to say on Pete, but maybe later. I will just say that I thought Kartheiser was terrible on Angel, and not very good in the woeful Crime and Punishment in Suburbia, but he's very good here.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 07:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's funny how don is really the villain in this show, but all the blame for his villainy is heaped, both by the writers and the fans, on those around him, especially betty. it's good to be (or look like) the king.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 08:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
Dunno, sort of think between-season shenanigans are kinda of essential now they've made Sally a main character and they need the plot to advance at more or less the same pace as the actress is ageing. Otherwise you get the problem they had with Walt in Lost. And it stretches credibility that Don would keep the Dick Whitman thing quiet after doing that ruined his first marriage. Really most of this double-header was about showing us what's happened to the characters and how they've changed in the intervening year or so.
I think Megan is meant to be a lot more intelligent and self-assured than people give her credit for, and she's just seen as the airhead secretary that married the boss. There's a moment early on in S4 when we've barely seen Megan, and people are talking about Peggy's new writer friends and Megan just goes "she's kind of pretentious", when casually calling people out on their pretensions is something that just never happens in Mad Men.
I love with Pete, how he's the conscientious worker who's really good and probably keeping the company afloat AND he's a liberal and at the same time he's clearly an arsehole and a slimeball.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
The best Pete moment is when his father in law calls him an asshole after being screwed over by him, and Pete just grins, gives a shrug and carries on making cocktails.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've liked Pete for ages, yes he's a dick, but he tries so hard to be better at life. Think him and trudy's dance at roger's wedding was all time classic. They do have the best marriage in the show too, fwiw in this show.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
isnt it more pete trying so hard to be better at work moreso than life though - likewise his supposed liberalism is one part greater generational awareness than his peers and nine parts his figuring our which are the newer and better marketing demographics the company needs to be aiming at. unless i'm forgetting something everything "good" about pete is still filtered through the prism of his professional vanity and desire for oneupmanship rather than any real empathy
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 13:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
also his and trudy's marriage is pitiful!
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 13:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Poor Pete is always trying to live up to somebody. Usually somebody rich and waspy.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 13:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
The only reason Pete and Trudy have the best marriage in the show is because Pete hasn't been caught out about the two or three other women he's fucked.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 13:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
And y'know that thing with the secret lovechild conceived a few days before his wedding.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 13:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
and, not to keep harping in this, the au pair.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 13:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
in a way i sort of don't think it's even about pete's big awful mistakes, it's the thousand little awkwardnesses between him and her in every scene and the almost cowardly sense of duty that stops him ever doing a don and walking away. the fact that their wan sham of a marriage is so very nearly kind of normal, and that pete could conceivably be seen as a "family man", makes it all the more tragic
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I feel like the writers/directors have made a Betty character that plays to the actress's flaws -- as a character, she's fairly reserved, works hard at being proper, has this family drama (her family, not her family with Don) that leaves her emotionally drained. I'm not saying for sure that January Jones has a limited range, but she does best when she's playing this character who lives in a very limited range. The greatest moments of the Betty character haven't been ones where she's conveyed an emotion through words and body language, but ones where she's done an action that seems out of character. The shooting a gun thing, the interactions with Glen, hooking up with some dude in a bar, or manipulating the whole situation with her fellow equestrians.
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think Pete actually likes his wife and isn't bold enough or useful enough at this point in his life to have any other type of relationship! The only times he's been out on the prowl or acted like he's rising in station he's been mostly swatted down. I mean, the Peggy thing happened because they were both so low on the ladder and he was able to fake some level of confidence that he should be able to do such things and she wasn't wiser, yet.
He's been repeatedly trying to make power plays and for the most part, they haven't done much more than natural growth in his career would have done, anyway. People work and get better at their jobs and go up the company hierarchy if they have skill. Pete thinks that by throwing what he thinks are big breaks on the table that he's going to get to jump rungs.
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Peggy otm
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
In an interesting reversal of life meets art I am fighting being given my own office.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
because....
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Because:
I want to know what the team I manage is getting up to, they spend so much time on the floor If I'm not in with them I'd never see them
35 years of OB research says individual offices are bad for network forming and communications
I don't actually like working on my own
This isn't the 60s so I couldn't have a cocktail cabinet and our sexual harassment policy probably prohibits any goings on.
Even if I had an office I couldn't have a window as our new plant has been cleverly designed so there has to be crawl spaces for the fire rises against the walls. An openable window is my only dream as far as office space goes.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
i had a nightmare last night that i came into my office and it had been subdivided for four people
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
No desire for an ant farm or bonsai tree? (xp)
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
At the current location I dug a pond and stream system and have planters full of tomatoes and melons. I plan to do similar at the new place.
I did think about executive toys though:
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
More ILX time if your monitor away from the hallway.
― (Dre) vs. (Eazy), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not to derail too much but in our old floorplan our boss had the office at the end of our cubicle row, his door was always open so it was almost like a default 'cul de sac' cubicle, we could go in anytime and talk, he could hear/see us from where he sat, and it was really a good setup. Not always great for him getting work done, but our group always worked collaboratively and he encouraged it so it didn't seem to bother him.
Then they changed the layout, and now he's in an office away from our cubicle row, behind a wall of cubicles so we can't see/hear him and we may not see him for days unless we have to go into his office with a question or if he comes by to ask us something.
it's just kinda sucky.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hate cubicle farms, have a hard time believing they actually are good for "network forming and communications" or whatever
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
I imagine their benefits are outweighed by the morale-crushing ant-farm impersonality
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
speaking of offices... did anyone else notice the decor in Harry's office?i loved it - complete opposite of 60's-trendy, like Rogers's office for example.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am also anti-cubicle farms. I'm all for open plan. The highly functional manufacturing organisations I benchmark all have open plan, well lit engineering offices. Break-out rooms for meetings/quiet work sure but very open environment.
Harry's office was great but I can't help thinking his mother did his decorating.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know everyone hates him here because he's unattractive - but dude knows how to classy-up an office!
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― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha ha
yeah, it was pretty fusty. Gold framed picture etc.
― Number None, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
HE HAS A WEE CANON ON HIS DESK!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
also lol at Harry's work clothes being too large for him now
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like harry as much as Pete, I think I oscillate on a spectrum between their two characters.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Does anyone have a gif of Pete's wistful sigh at Don's party?
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
i loved that
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
loved the argument between the two (Harry and Pete)Harry: i'm giving you my officePete: screw you.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^secretary was carrying a box with Pete's gun in it
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
He's had to keep that gun at the office for 6 years now.
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
this seems broadly relevant to discussions of don: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/character-and-its-discontents/
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorta hope the series ends with Pete losing his shit and blasting Don out the window with his rifle
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
can't really see that happening - maybe more like barging into Don's office and nattering away at him until Don eventually loses it and hurls himself out the window.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I can't really see it happening either it's just funny to envision
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
pete drops out grows a beard, becomes charlie manson
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
regardless of pete's indiscretions, it's still the only marriage where there's actual support happening.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete Campbell is our successful marriage role model.
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
:/
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
never said that. fuck you all i am raging with every one of you.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
this show's aggressive cynicism about marriage is actually one of the least convincing things about it, i think. that doesn't mean they have to present several "model marriages"--but i'd buy it more if they presented at least a few that were largely functional.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't see it as cynicism abt marriage, really. i think it's a combination of basic soap opera relationship dynamics (the more conflict, betrayal and duplicity, the better) & cynicism abt the culture of madison avenue in the 60s. the guys around whom the show revolves are for the most part ambitious, selfish, petty and rather venal. makes sense that they'd have troubled marriages.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dunno i think a lot of what's depicted is more in the realm of generalized "bad male behavior" than anything specific to madison avenue.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, that too, but there is something distinctive abt the entitlement of manhattan power-business types. overlapping circles: men, businessmen, 60s businessmen, madison avenue ad guys.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
pssh, Pete's still married and has a cute wife and a kid, his life is awesome
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
otoh, he's a horrible, egocentric geek with frustrated delusions of grandeur, his life is hell
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
He's one of those people who is never going to be happy with what he has.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Could see Pete getting involved with Est or some sort of encounter group in the 1970s
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes plz. would watch the fuck out of that plot development
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 21:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
we need cult sideplots!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 21:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
moonies please!
I thought something along those lines was going to happen when Don was crashing in Cali with those strange people in the house with the pool.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
The problem with EST is that it doesn't exist until the 70s.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
elvis's "in the 70's" clarified that :)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
wan sham of a marriage
yeah this. Trudy is so good for him, encouraging his better tendencies and gently guiding him away from - not scolding or chiding him for - the worse ones she sees. and he genuinely likes and appreciates this, and her, and their life together. He rankles about ways she wants to live that he would prefer not to, but he does come to accept compromise, and not just add it to his pile of injustices re The Rise Of Pete Campbell to seethe about.
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think the difference is that Pete and Trudy actually relate to each others as adults and peers - whatever their respective shortcomings (Pete's infidelities, Trudy's waspy conservatism) - and that's pretty much not the case with any of the other marriages depicted (which is really not that many - Joan and Dr. Rapey, Roger and Jane, Don and Betty/Megan, but that's pretty much it. Haven't seen much of Lane and his wife)
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
lane and his wife pretty clearly have no affection for each other whatever
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh I dunno. they've only been onscreen together for a grand total of like 5 minutes at the most
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
and in those couple of minutes it was established that they cannot stand one another
― Clay, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not gonna dispute that - I'm just saying the body of evidence for all the other couples is a lot bigger and more definitive
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wonder what ken + his significant other are like together. i wonder a lot about ken. what kind of guy is he?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, ken and his wife--from what we can tell--seem pretty tight.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
adirondack chairs on the porch, reading the sunday papers...is how I picture the young Cosgroves
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
ken needs to be brought to the fore, i think. great character. good actor too.
― jed_, Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
I agree I would love to see Ken Cosgrove get more of a storyline this season.
― *tera, Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
On the surface of it easily the nicest guy at SDCP.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
his wife was the younger sister in 10 Things I Hate About You.
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
my favorite character in this episode was Don and Megan's apartment, fyi.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
prob best known to ppl my age as alex mack xp
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
that apartment was amazing! we wanted to know if the apartment had all those stairs so ppl could sit on them and look cool
― Mordy, Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
alex mack OMG
sunken living room, fireplace, balcony, a white carpet to bone down on...
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
a dirty white carpet even
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 29 March 2012 01:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
soooooooo dirty
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 01:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
The apt was very Playboy After Dark, especially with the band playing at the party. I wish I still had the DVD with all the old Playboy After Dark shows. Had good interviews and music numbers.
― *tera, Thursday, 29 March 2012 05:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
There's quite a few of them on YouTube. Always liked this one...
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 29 March 2012 06:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Mordy, Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:33 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
SO OTM
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 29 March 2012 06:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
In so many of them Barbie seemed to space out and would stand there catching flies. I remember there being some awkward moments between guests as well, just like at a real party. Sometimes a guest just took all the air out of the room.
Lenny Bruce was one of my favorite guests. I seem to remember Bill Cosby looking sharp and being cool in a few of them. It's been awhile since I have watched these.
― *tera, Thursday, 29 March 2012 09:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Kenny basically exists as Mr Squeaky Clean to irritate the other characters. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a perfect marriage.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i doubt it, his moonlighting as an LA cop is likely tearing them apart
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete's scheming is entertaining. It reminds me of Robert Morse's character in "How to Succeed."
― sarahell, Thursday, 29 March 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Won't be watching for a while but its sad (from wha I've read) that Betty won't be given much time on the show. The character is v underrated, I love the depth given to the housewifery manias!
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 29 March 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
The show writes for her really well and she's excellent at what she's asked to do...assuming they write her to be a shallow bitch who repulses me in new ways every other episode.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 March 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
None of these ppl are that likeable -- Betty is on par for the course.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
agree everybody's fairly loathsome - with the exception of Peggy
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I honestly like Joan and Peggy, and perhaps Don's old secretary who died at her desk and Don's newest secretary that he shares with Roger. But yeah, I see what you mean.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Trudy is very likable to me, even tho she's a nazi.
― Mordy, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can't tell if my feelings about Trudy are shaded by my feelings about Annie on Community (and/or Alison Brie in general). Those are positive feelings, btw.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
@trudy'sboobs
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
they're trying hard to dull her looks down this ep
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Even in the psychedelic kaftan she was wearing?
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete was looking chubby too
― Number None, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry gave him an office and a spare tire.
― mizzell, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete's going bald this season.
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
man if hamm was willing to start paring his hair back and that became a major plot point how many fucking essays would that shit spawn
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I love Trudy's steez
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
finally caught up w/this
OMG at "say hello to Lurch and Morticia"
― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
I wouldn't assume that Betty is being given a smaller role, only because Christopher Stanley (Henry Francis) is now credited as a regular cast member.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
(Unless the idea there is that Betty is on-screen no more than Henry is, and they don't want to officially demote January Jones, so they'll promote Christopher Stanley instead.)
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
You guys, I think about the politics of TV credits a lot.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
alex mack otm
― ༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
did they even show betty's face in the preview for next week's ep? i remember her voice but no actual image of her
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am cool with less Betty and twice as much Sally
― mh, Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw Sally is a better actress
― International Simon (admrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
the cruelty of truthbomb
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Weiner said they shot a bunch of Betty stuff early bcz of pregnancy and it'll basically be salted into the episodes where they have room
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 30 March 2012 00:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
salty betty
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 00:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
I do hate her but I would lick her
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 30 March 2012 00:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
as lol as that is, kinda otm
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
baby daddy on show was definitely Don, in real life ~it is a mystery~
― mh, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
just saw this. liked gutkbe's post, and s1ocki's
― D-40, Sunday, 1 April 2012 08:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Sunday, 1 April 2012 15:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i lolled when harry asked roger "why do you carry so much cash??"
― D-40, Sunday, 1 April 2012 23:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
whores, duh
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 April 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
ballin', iirc
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 April 2012 01:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
you don't look cool
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^^^^
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
betty looks miserable
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
totally forgot this was on with all my GoT excitement!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
lolromney
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 April 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
So they went the Frasier route.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 2 April 2012 03:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Lurch and Morticia comment makes more sense now that I've seen the house.
So was Betty wearing her real baby fat or did they just put her in costume?
― *tera, Monday, 2 April 2012 03:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Loving' the jew.
― LaMonte, Monday, 2 April 2012 03:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also, I think the Who would be more likely to do a Heinz beans ad.
― LaMonte, Monday, 2 April 2012 03:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWuotfT_j6s
― s.clover, Monday, 2 April 2012 04:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
This brings us back to the dinner/supper thread
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 2 April 2012 04:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
lolromney part was funny.
Loved watching Pete burn Roger in front of the whole office.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 April 2012 04:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
best: Megan gamely saying "yes" in response to something Mrs. Heinz said in just the same way Don gamely says "yes" when he just needs the conversation to continue.
worst: Betty eating ice cream was too """on the nose"""
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 2 April 2012 04:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don Draper saying "yes" is like my favorite thing about this show
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 2 April 2012 04:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, April 2, 2012 12:28 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I read this as her previously overstepping/being too modern ("well, don was divorced...") and realizing that "yes" is the correct answer, even if she found work talk exciting from a professional pov.
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 April 2012 04:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Didn't Betty "Yes" her way through dinners just like that in season 1 or am I not remembering correctly?
― *tera, Monday, 2 April 2012 04:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, but I think she had two modes because I remember her asking which kind of wife she should be a dinner they were going to.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 2 April 2012 04:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
bettybot, meet romneybot!
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
worry about a season long fat-suit tbh.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
the fat is a metaphor for america getting sluggish and needing revolution do u c
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
She said yes to Mrs. Heinz saying soemething like "We're boring hou, aren't we?", which seemed tactless.
― )Dre( vs. (Eazy), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
better than peggy's fatsuit
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
totally lolled at don and harry getting white castle
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 06:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
film wonkery : john slattery is (assuming the DP didn't "actually" direct his episode) a better director than Hamm.
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 April 2012 06:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Tradewinds!
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 April 2012 09:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
peggy eating Bugles !
― johnny crunch, Monday, 2 April 2012 11:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
betty i mean, damn
-do you want the last one?
-there were twenty! I thought you were getting them for your family
― pandemic, Monday, 2 April 2012 11:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Trade Winds = Spector acolytes/songwriting team
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 April 2012 15:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
so how do we feel about Ginsberg?
― http://i.imgur.com/TBVkw.gif (silby), Monday, 2 April 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
kind of irritating so far. a little too young Woody Allen.
― dmr, Monday, 2 April 2012 16:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
felt like Roger's "When is everything going get back to normal?" / clinging to the ledge while the young kids step on my toes monologue was key
― dmr, Monday, 2 April 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah Roger's been dropping hints about jumping out the window for like two seasons.
and of course nothing ever gets "back to normal".
― http://i.imgur.com/TBVkw.gif (silby), Monday, 2 April 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
kind of a boring episode. was afraid there was going to be a Mother's Little Helper montage for a second. also lol fat betty
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 April 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
you think slattery's gonna kill himself this season? not a bad idea really.
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
well what does he have to live for, exactly
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
major role on a hit tv show iirc
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Roger's too vain to be suicidal. Even if he hates his job and his wife, he knows he has a natural charm and can get by on it for all his remaining years.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 April 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Plus he's not really all that reflective. He just moves on, he's not a dweller like Don.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, that too. Roger has no mood swings because he's mostly oblivious to what's going on around him.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 April 2012 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
serious question: has any sympathetic adult character on this show ever been seen taking a bite of food? seems like people only get to eat on the show when the writers want to show them in an unflattering light.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
sympathetic?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 2 April 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean everyone hates harry, and lolwhitecastle rite?
we're meant to hate betty, and there's the eating from last night, and that one episode where she does it with a stranger in a bar (that whore!) and eats out of the refrigerator when she gets home.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
seems like people only get to eat on the show when the writers want to show them in an unflattering light.
grandpa and Sally eating ice cream
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
what about the chicken kiev on don's date? or when betty orders room service with don. the new guy's rye bread and farmers cheese?
good one xp
― mizzell, Monday, 2 April 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
take it from a nut, utz are better than nuts
― mizzell, Monday, 2 April 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
there are plenty of scenes that I can think of that take place at meals, but I'm not sure about the actually seeing people eat thing
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
but I'm not sure about the actually seeing people eat thing
the "actually eating" is what i'm talking about. and i know sally has gotten to eat, that's why i was asking about adults.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Didn't they show Don and Roger sucking down oysters prior to their stairway to vomit?
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh wait, unflattering. Never mind.
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is something Sopranos conscientiously did all the time but tbf it's pretty rare on TV shows, not just Mad Man. It's really hard to shoot scenes of people with their mouths full.
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
like, I dunno how much I would read into it thematically
i know, it's just something i think about from time to time -- how shows (etc) sometimes use food as a device to help make someone seem more unlikeable.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
harry eats the most onscreen, also talks about food the most
― mizzell, Monday, 2 April 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
― mizzell, Monday, 2 April 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes, his wife is "making" him lose weight and he's obv such a weak person that all he wants to do outside of the house is cheat on his diet.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
(and he's already cheated on his wife, speaking of things that harry cheats on)
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
harry actually told his wife that he cheated (not sure why i always want to stick up for him).
― mizzell, Monday, 2 April 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wanted to stick up for him cuz he's a perennial loser, but the thing last week with megan was... well, him digging his own grave.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
And he was very remorseful, which is why when he started getting really creepy with women I felt a bit let down by him. xp
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
pete has gone from being a weasel to being likeable, and he's been pretty creepy with women too.
actually most of these characters (including/especially peggy) are sexual weirdos.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Fans of the highly addictive TV series about the advertising business in the 1960s learned yesterday that AMC, the cable network that carries the show, is demanding cast cuts -- of at least two characters.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/saving_some_mad_money_kgOquEafL3Vw7dPaZTLZ4O
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
that article is from a year ago, but the point stands.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^ March 30th 2011
iirc MW locked in his cast for the final 3 seasons when he reached his agreement with AMC
― http://i.imgur.com/TBVkw.gif (silby), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
what point?
― mizzell, Monday, 2 April 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
the point on top of my head.
no, the point that amc wants weiner to get rid of two characters in exchange for his THIRTY MILLION DOLLAR salary.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
seem to recall that one of the things MW said after he signed his contract was that AMC were offering him more money at the expense of cast and minutes on air and he wasn't biting.
― http://i.imgur.com/TBVkw.gif (silby), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh. as you were.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
This needs to be here:
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
― dmr, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
IIRC, Heinz wasn't exactly thrilled at that endorsement.
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/romney-son-knocks-mad-mad-mocking-dead-grandfather-36724
"Seriously, lib media mocking my dead grandpa?" Tagg Romney wrote in response to Politco reporter Alex Burns partially quoted the offending line. "George Romney was as good a man I've ever known. Inspirational leader, worked for civil rights, promoted freedom. We need more like him."
On Sunday's episode, Betty's new husband, Henry Francis, turned down a request that his boss, New York Mayor John Lindsay, appear with Michigan Gov. George Romney.
"Well, tell Jim his honor’s not going to Michigan," Francis said. "Because Romney’s a clown and I don’t want him standing next to him."
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
"media"
― dmr, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
We've moved on but
Don & Peggy eating in the diner.
― RCMP, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nobody eats cos they are all alcoholics.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
obviously still upset that they couldn't get their first choice, "Heinz Is On My Side"
― dmr, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Should've asked The Human Beinz.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
dude not even Heinz went there
― RCMP, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
what's with all the Harry-hate? Did he start sucking in season 4 (which I watched sporadically and may have even missed a couple of eps), or something? I always found him to be one of the more likable, decent dudes in the office, particularly compared the likes of Pete or that pretentious beardo who got left behind after the SCDP break
― it's smdh time in America (will), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've always hated him
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
bring back pretentious beardo imho
Paul was good for lolz, as the self-satisfied often are
Oh and I haven't seen any of S05 so maybe I should just stfu
― it's smdh time in America (will), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah he is pretty easy to hate lately, but he used to be the nicest one. i will always love him for the carousel scene where he burst into tears.
― mizzell, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
fat betty
― ༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm digging Ginsburg, don't think tooyoungwoodyallen is a bad thing in this context at all. I've been missing midcentury "ethnic" Brooklyn ever since Peggy's family starved to death from neglect.
― RCMP, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
i miss pretentious gay beardo
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 April 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
he doesn't remind me that much of woody allen specifically; he just seems like a random nebbishy jewish guy.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Neither was Daltrey. The beans were cold, and he caught pneumonia from the photo session.
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Production photos: http://everyday-i-show.livejournal.com/151834.html
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ginsburg is Woody/Lenny/Dustin in spirit.
― )Dre( vs. (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
(more at that LJ link above)
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can't unsee how the sausage is made.
― LaMonte, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
harry munchies! new copywriter ginsburg!! peggy-roger scenes!!! i hope there's way more of all three
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
also, ginsburg's dad benching him was way bizarre and strange
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry Is a mediocre person but hilarious character. His fumbling is amazing, and I think he'll continue to be moderately useful but always just a bit off any mark.
I liked Don and Harry talking to the Stones fans, and Harry going with the more "savvy" one. The girl who was talking to Don is on the Fox show Lie to Me and I think she is pretty good!
Can you translate Ginsberg's dad for us, Mordy? I am perhaps misremembering it as yiddish, I was listening distractedly.
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
hebrew, he was giving him the traditional blessing you give your kids on friday night. there's a version for boys and for girls (when we bring shabbat in early for the baby, or it starts earlier, i say it to my daughter). the boys' version, which is what the show went with, translates as: "may god bless you as he blessed efraim and menashah. may the lord bless you and keep you. may the lord cause his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you. may the lord turn his face to you and grant you peace." (part of it comes from Numbers, 6:24-26 and doubles as the Cohan blessing on high holidays, you know, when they do the Spock 'live long and propser' thing and everyone looks away)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was just super out of place. i don't know any jewish father who would spontaneously break out one of those in the middle of nowhere. either the writers are particularly tone-deaf about this, or maybe the dad is losing his mind or something?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
giving that blessing is called benching?
― mizzell, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorry, i'm really tired + accidental code-switched. it's just yiddish for blessing
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
by far the best shot from that set imo:
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 03:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry is so amusing
― Teenage Mutant Ninja Body Image (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 03:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
wow, I'm glad I asked! Sounds like it kind of reads as "writers want to make sure you know this guy is totally Jewish." I assumed it was some sort of blessing, although attributed it more to celebration related to his job? kind of wacky when juxtaposed with the "let's go get some women" bit, for sure
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 03:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know how the sausage gets made and sausage-making at this level is still p amazing to me.
^ lipstick/makeup tests, probably
also
huminahumina
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 03:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
The rest of those pics were kinda zzz to me. But Hendricks is A+
Jimmy, I kiss u
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 03:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
the blessing scene was great because it came right after him suggesting a pair of older/younger whores, he is obviously a little something
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 05:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
I liked the phone convo between Betty and Don, where she made him tell her it would be okay
After railing against her last week I felt kinda bummed for her this week, lol hi I r a hypocrite ;)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 06:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
god the interiors are getting kind of ghastly huh
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 06:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
January Jones in a fatsuit for the rest of the season would be so great.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 06:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
fatsuit? thought it was the aftereffects of eating your placenta
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 06:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
Its a bugle suit
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 06:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
even at her most sympthetic/vulnerable it was noticeable that when she gets the good news, betty's second thought is "now i don't have an excuse for being fat." lol shallow betty.
jewish copywriter has a lot of promise for the show, i think. did you notice he wore jeans to his interview?
remember that peggy's boyfriend and roger's wife are both jewish.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
whoa
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
I liked how as far as Betty is concerned, Megan is 20.
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry isn't terrible, just useless and overpromoted because he happened to luck out at the right time. But then this is an organisation where Roger still has a job, so...
Henry didn't tell Betty that Don had called to, y'know, find out whether she had cancer or not. That's going to kick off in time.
I didn't really expect the camera to follow Ginsberg home and I don't really get why it did. The character has potential but they've never really bothered to do that with Ken or Harry.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
presumably odd Ginsberg Sr is going to be a significant presence over time in a way Ken or Harry's families aren't
― seven league bootie (James Morrison), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 10:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
they're presumably setting him to be a major character the way they did peggy
where do i know that actor from?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 11:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Betty sais Megan is 20, but later in the episode Megan says she's 26.
― )Dre( vs. (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 12:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
(Says. I can't type.)
Very curious to see if Stan's prediction that Michael will outshine Peggy comes true.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 12:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
No kidding, Betty's perspective way skewed. Megan's 26, and Betty is what, still early 30s? I get where she's coming from in that she feels like Megan's a know-nothing youth, especially with the marriage/kids/social society bit, but it's almost like the two of them are separated by only a handful of years and a complete social generation.
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think Betty also feels older because she married an older politician and has a lot of responsibilities that Megan does not have -- contrast her ancient, forbidding house with the hip apartment Don and Megan are living in.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Kind of sad about Don's lack of reinvention. The guy can relate to all kinds of people, but he's really no good at changing himself in any major way.
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's funny how everyone in this thread keeps going on about how useless harry is when he is actually kind of the only business visionary in the show, realized the potential of and built the whole TV department and probably kept both firms afloat? but he's bumbling and fattish so you have an excuse to feel superior to him
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
if there is anyone who is in tune with the common man, it is Harry
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm guessing Bobby Morse has never sung on this thing.
also, they are doing George Romney ads?
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
No, Betty's politician husband fired off a one-liner about not wanting to meet with Romney in Michigan
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
thx, I heard there was something.
u guys shd watch the How to Succeed movie for the Morse metajoke
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don's not good at changing himself?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
It is a TCM staple, I've seen it a couple of times -- it seems like they air it once a month. xp
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
this gif has me in a trance
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
This one is my favorite because of the angry slow clapping:
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
the two people that pete fucked hardest
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm still thinking about Henry totally blowing off Don's call. I don't even get why he would be mad that Betty told Don about the tumor.
Ugh @ soap opera people.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
full confession: Ginsburg is the first character I've felt any identification with on this show at all (well, apart from maybe Peggy's latest boyfriend) ... but yeah this was weird, was wondering if I was missing something. was he blessing him because he got the job or something? I was perplexed.
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Maybe he just brought home the right kind of cheese.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I dug the Ginsburg character. He seems interesting.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
built the whole TV department and probably kept both firms afloat
re: the former afaict the "TV department" is just Harry and I seriously doubt the latter is true, not sure what you're basing that on
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
good movie/good metajoke imho
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't even get why he would be mad that Betty told Don about the tumor.
Probably because Betty didn't tell him she had told Don? That would seem slightly shady to me.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Betty and Don have three children together. I'm sure there are conversations they have that Henry doesn't know about and Henry should be smart enough to realize this happens.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
Henry doesn't strike me as particularly smart
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
BUT I think Henry has some weird inferiority complex re: Don and has to act out in some way.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
altho he IS divorced and has told Betty to get over it in terms of dealing with Don and raising their children so yeah I dunno
I really liked the Betty/Don drama in this. 'Tell me everything will be alright' was pretty awesome. Also i loved how Harry was too high to notice he was being scammed by the non-Rolling Stones.
I really don't understand the Harry hate. He seems more like a good-natured goof than anything.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Didn't Harry basically go to Roger "maybe we should have a TV department" and Roger went "okay, you're the head of the TV department" because he didn't really care. And yeah the TV department is one person. It's pretty difficult to work out what he actually does other than occasionally meeting with TV execs and being a hapless buffoon. He's actually a lot less fat than he used to be and has becoming increasingly buffoonish with time. I don't hate him, but he is kind of comically inept.
Speaking of hapless buffoons, they're never going to bring Kinsey back are they?
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I think the guys who are gone are now gone for good.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
we'll see - they brought back Ken and Midge
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
They brought back Ken and Midge before all that offseason contract rodeo that happened.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
I loved Harry talking about Charlton Heston. I think that he comes off as intensely over-eager and also kinda smarmy which I think is why most people are turned off by him.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
I could see them bringing anyone back for a guest spot (a la Midge). I think it's not terribly likely than any of the former regulars, come back as regulars at this point cuz really what's left to say about Sal or Kinsey at this point.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I could see them being brought back to serve a particular plot point, but not as recurring characters
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don bumps into Sal on Fire Island in the show finale lol
Yeah, I think if any former regulars/featured(s) come back, it might be a drop-in from Duck or Freddy Rumsen.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
best line of the show, Roger re: Ginsberg - "we share the same dream of one day throwing something through this window."
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Wait, they're both still alive right? For some reason, I'm thinking one or both of them is/are dead. xp
Both last seem alive.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
they were both in season 4 (and mentioned already in season 5)and still alive
― mizzell, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ginsburg is the first character I've felt any identification with on this show at all (well, apart from maybe Peggy's latest boyfriend)
this x100 and i hope they don't blow it with a 'jews are weird' fixation. i'd think matthew weiner would know better tbh.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
roger had a p good 'always darkest before the dawn' half-drunken slur line also
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry is good-natured but has a lot of weak good ol' boy-isms that he keeps trying on. It's like he is trying to look young, but already has this mentality built up so that all his jokes and references just seem dated. Kind of hilarious when he's telling a story that obviously seems pretty cool to him about Heston, and he's high and stumbling over it in a near-giddy manner, completely oblivious to the fact that he's speaking to someone who has no clue what he's talking about.
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
so if jane and her cousin are jewish, they just kind of overlooked the fact that they hired a jew in the past?
― mizzell, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Never picked up on Jane and Danny being Jewish I think?
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
even roger?
― mizzell, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean I didn't.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
But man Season 3 was forever ago now.
I thought it was kind of hilarious that Harry telling stories stoned is kinda the same as Harry telling stories straight: completely oblivious that the person receiving the story has no interest in whatever he's talking about <3
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
i never thought it was clear about Danny and Jane, but thought some people on here felt pretty certain.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, Jane is def Jewish (her maiden name is Siegel), but I think Jewish secretaries don't count in terms of the firm seeming "modern."
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
siegel can just be a german name though. but if they are jewish then they already had a jewish copywriter at the same level as ginsburg.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah but not JEWISH jewish
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, I forgot all about Danny.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
so did don and peggy when they needed to hire a copywriter
― mizzell, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
"but if they are jewish then they already had a jewish copywriter at the same level as ginsburg."
No way. Ginsburg has an ACCOUNT that he's working on, the other dude was basically a flunky. And I don't think the issue was that they had a jewish copywriter anyway, just that Mohawk would primary copywriter would be jewish.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
OK, here we go. From the horse's mouth:
To me, I’m telling a story about segregation and assimilation, and who’s coming along at what time. I hope people can tell Faye Miller is Jewish. I hope people know at some level that Jane Siegel, Roger’s wife, is Jewish. They are assimilated. Not everyone can be an heiress like Rachel Menken, who feels absolutely bulletproof. Bobbie Barrett and Jimmy Barrett certainly were transparently Jewish.
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/matthew-weiner-closes-the-books-on-season-4-of-mad-men/
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
Caught Faye, missed Jane. Hm. Invisible or coded Jews a big deal in the history of Hollywood of course.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
What were the "diet pills" that Betty was seeking anyway? Amphetamines?
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
from Wiki Amphetamines (marketed as Benzedrine) became popular for weight loss during the late 1930s. They worked primarily by suppressing appetite, and had other beneficial effects such as increased alertness. Use of amphetamines increased over the subsequent decades, culminating in the "rainbow pill" regime. This was a combination of multiple pills, all thought to help with weight loss, taken throughout the day. Typical regimens included stimulants, such as amphetamines, as well as thyroid hormone, diuretics, digitalis, laxatives, and often a barbiturate to suppress the side effects of the stimulants. In 1967/1968 a number of deaths attributed to diet pills triggered a Senate investigation and the gradual implementation of greater restrictions on the market. This culminating in 1979 with the FDA banning the use of amphetamines, then the most effective of the diet drugs, in diet pills.[11]
I love the 60's
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have to say after being up to my ears in Stones catalog for the past 2 weeks with ILM's Stones Poll, I have been kinda loving the synergy of Mad Men having a Rolling Stones side-story
even the stupid 'time is on my side' dinner table convo made me grin like a dork. And the groupie who said she was Brian's 'Lady Jane'. <3
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
She had good taste! Or maybe I'm just saying that because Brian died when he was still hot and never got a chance to make "She's the Boss".
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
we must part ways, then, lol. Brian was a vaccuum of hottness in my eyes
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
can someone clarify to me the situation whereby pete would get away with being so blatantly rude to a senior partner (roger)? it doesn't really ring true to me that behaviour like that would fly, even if roger is largely incompetent. but, as i said, maybe i missed or forgot something.
― jed_, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think Pete only joined SCDP when they spun off with the understanding that he was a lesser partner of some sort? They then continued treating him like he was less than the other partners, and this is him asserting himself since they agreed he'd come on board with that status due to the clients he brought.
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
pete really is the biggest rainmaker at that jobmoney talks bullshit walks iirc
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i was wondering that too.xposts
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
(xpost) The whole agency knows that Pete's bringing in more business than Roger, so it's not in Roger's interest to force a power play against Pete that would make the rest of the partners choose sides.
― I DIED, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I read it as Pete had agreed to hand the account over just to be nice, throw Roger bone after he's not done much of anything for years, so then the about-turn is publicly completely legit but yet embarrassing to Roger in a way he can't really act on.
― Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya its a power play
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
fwiw Duck (the actor) is now on AMC's THE KILLING. Which I don't recommend you watch. It's terrible but I want to know who dun it. For some reason.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
He can go duck himself.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
Peggy got Ducked...
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
― H3LP, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
the shot of her getting out of the bathtub really felt like they were being all, 'see? she's ACTUALLY fat'
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
It was so clearly shot with a double, though.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
That part was so obvious and fake that I wonder why they bothered with it.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was really weird because it wasn't like they were showing her hubby her body, it was clearly meant for us the viewers
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hamm director.
― )Dre( vs. (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hamm showing Betty "pig out"
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Although, who am I to complain about sideboob?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I Regret Eating My Placenta [Started by if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend) in March 2012, last updated 8 seconds ago by wolf kabob (ENBB) on I Love Everything] 388 new answers
― I DIED, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I didn't like this. seemed gratuitous.
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw we're trying to imply Betty is FAT don't you see
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Waiting for her to have a baby in episode 13 now.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 20:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
writers seem to enjoy placing Betty opposite wiser, more confident, and more thoroughly emotionally restrained women (Sally's psychologist, Henry's mother). They address hard truths matter-of-factly in soft voices and she does her ice-queen-in-the-headlights routine.
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't necessarily think that Henry's mother is being presented as wiser.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Certainly fatter.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Your mother is obese."
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't necessarily think that Henry's mother is being presented as wiser
yeah dunno if that's the right word. more mature? more in control?
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
interfering
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
more manipulative
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
more worldly and clued in to the way of this man's world methinkssame thing joan's mother was doing; this is all setting us up for generation gap freak out as we hit the summer of '69 methinks
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Joan's mother was a PIA!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
jealous and manipulative in both cases with these old mothers
Definitely some crazy generational strife with the old guard acting like their daughters were being rebellious when they're just living with a new set of rules
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think Henry's mother borders on a mother in law joke - she's controlling and cold, and Betty is never going to be good enough for her.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
She really does.
Have we had any nice/good Moms in this thing?
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Carla lol
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
who was Carla? I'm so bad with names in this show
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Roger's first wife seemed okay iirc.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Drapers' maid
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
agree about Roger's first wife, that's a good one
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Granted Trudy's a brand new mom, but she has potential.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah Carla was an A+ mom :)
I feel good about Trudy as a Mommy
carla had all those kids with nick tortelli iirc
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
i picture canks as like being in prison coveralls in some sort of '30s-era juvie institution in that post
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
talking in yr sleep again dude
― balls, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
wrong thread hahaha
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
just working through some shit here guys
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
hee hee
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
omg @ betty draper dream
― moullet, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
that was very sopranos
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
but not as good
― Number None, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
it wasn't even as good as Betty's first dream sequence, but it was kinda a lackluster episode over all
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
the whole thing's been pretty lacklustre thus far.
― jed_, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 00:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's been two fucking episodes. sheesh.
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 01:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
feels like more
is betty's cancer going to mean that she is the nude mannequin in the promo artwork?
― fka snush (remy bean), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 01:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes
― balls, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 01:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Was really surprised they picked thyroid cancer for the cancer scare. I guess it was maybe common at the time given the A-bomb blast parties and events in Vegas a decade earlier?
Acne treatments in the 60's ended up causing thyroid cancer later down the road.
― *tera, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hamm may not have directed Betty scenes tho
not all of Carla's kids were with N. Tortelli iirc (though she did fear him during separations because he could make her pregnant with a look also iirc)
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
Footnotes of Mad Men is back in action again: http://madmenunbuttoned.com/
And sloppy X-ray-ing. Thyroid cancer is common and relatively easy to treat.
As someone who has experienced both over and under active thyroid, I knew that's what the doctor was going to say when she asked for the pills and he went for her throat. Thyroid controls metabolism, so if it's not working due to being under active or the cancer, your metabolism slows down and you gain weight. "get the kind that makes you fat" -Betty.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sorry about the link. Zing touch acting up.
― mh, Tuesday, April 3, 2012 10:52 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
who in the hell wouldn't know who charlton heston was in 1966? that's like, i dunno, not knowing who tom hanks is now.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
more like not knowing who kevin costner is now really
― balls, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
15 year olds? Few tv channels, no home video, if you didn't see a variety of movies, you'd possibly miss out. Or it's supposed to be a "kids knew no one over 30" thing.
― mh, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I took it as the latter, he was in plenty of notable stuff in the 60s, but probably nothing that Young People would care about until Planet of the Apes.
― Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
― balls, Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:37 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no, costner hasn't been in a hit movie in... 10 or 15 years? heston was in e.g. el cid in 1961. he was also a prominent hollywood activist (for civil rights etc.).
i mean i can see her not really giving a shit or not having seen one of his movies (even the ten commandments?) but not having heard of guy is a little farfetched.
but whatever.
you know what' freaking far-fetched? the idea that folks at a major ad agency would not have thought to open a TV department in 1961-62. that's the one mad men plot point that strikes me as the most egregiously anachronistic.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
didn't they put hamburgers in front of the tv dept way back when?
also, yeah, her not knowing who charlton heston is kinda suprised me. heston was an a-list star at that point. be like some kid today not knowing who george clooney is, really. which isn't all that farfetched, i suppose...
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 04:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
People are dumb:http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/who-is-paul-mccartney
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 04:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
least credible thing to me abt this episode: SCDP figured the best way to enlist the rolling stones in an ad campaign would be to go to a show and try to sign the band in person. points for moxie and all, but i'm sure the stones had reps to handle such stuff, even in 1966.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 04:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the equivalent in 1966 honestly would be the girl not knowing who i dunno al jolson is.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 05:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
liked the allen klein namedrop, but was sort of hoping harry would meet up with andrew loog oldham. or was oldham out of the picture by 1966?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 05:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oldham sold his share of the Rolling Stones' management to Allen Klein in 1966, but continued in his role as the band's de facto manager and producer until late 1967.
I doubt Klein would have allowed people to go through anyone else but him to get to the Stones while they were in the US, and particularly while on Klein's home turf of NYC.
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 05:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
no ways! jolson was long dead in '66, dead probably the year that girl was born, and he would have been 80 freaking years if he'd lived. he hadn't been a major cultural presence a quarter century. heston, otoh, was in his early 40s and had recently starred in several big, flagship productions, one of hollywood's biggest stars at the peak of his "mature" career. not the kind of guy most teens would be flocking to see, but still...
it makes sense to me that a lot of young people nowadays wouldn't know from paul mccartney. at this point, paul's glory days are some 30-60 years distant. that's comparable to kids in the mid 60s drawing a blank on jolson. to find a modern equivalent for kids back then blanking on heston, you'd have to find someone who first showed up about 25 years back and is still getting lead roles in blockbuster oscar bait. like say brad pitt, johnny depp or george clooney.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 05:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
edit: "no ways! jolson was long dead in '66, dead probably the year that girl was born, and he would have been 80 freaking years old if he'd lived. he hadn't been a major cultural presence in a quarter century."
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 05:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
the show isn't saying ALL teenagers didn't know who he was
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 06:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm getting a bit tired of this show now. Also I can't stand Betty.
― We Need To Talk About Trayvon (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 06:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
Megan is really working my nerves ... soooo whiny!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 06:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh I like Megan
― We Need To Talk About Trayvon (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 07:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha i like Betty.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 07:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
AA Gill in The Sunday Times wrote that Mad Men is becoming vacuous and is a victim of its own success....but never really went into reasons WHY.
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 10:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
Because editor asked him to.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 10:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
I read that Gill piece (dunno why i do it to myself) and it seemed like his usual trolling. Also, he called Christina Hendricks "the top-heavy redhead"
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 10:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Was Gill a good critic at one point or am I just imagining it?
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 10:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
not in my memory anyway
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 10:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not loving Megan. Well, I love her choppers but not much else.
I liked that weird awkwardness at the Heinz dinner. It seemed very underlined that this conversation would have gone a whole lot more smoothly with someone like Betty. Not that I am any great Betty fan but she can at least handle business small-talk. Whereas I dont' think Megan really gets the bigger picture ie dinner goes well = business goes well.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
wtf, Megan totally got to agree and play the "non-business-savvy wife" role when the Heinz dude's wife was asking her "oh, this is all so boring, right?"
― mh, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought she was just super awkward through the whole thing, especially dropping the whole 'oh he's divorced' turd on the table.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I don't know if it's intentional or not but her character does kind of have a desperate undercurrent, like she constantly needs to prove herself in any situation. As a hip 60s youth, as a sexy Frenchy, as biz wife. Maybe not 'trying to hard' but somewhere around there...
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
is Megan the T-Mobile commercial spokesmodel?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
how big are the spokesmodel's teeth? that's the giveaway.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i take her as some combo of really eager & curious, but naive -- like that moment of the wife asking how boring this convo is -- she figured out that of course, be agreeable & submissive to the menfolk talking business but shes really genuinely interested in advertising for whatever reason
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mordy: yes
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
she seems more genuine and honest than most people on the show. she's not used to playing a role which everyone else does.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Carly Foulkes is the T-Mobile spokesgirl.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah. I worry that her arc is going to be "Don and everyone destroy all her optimism".
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
!!! xpost
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
i had no idea.
Well, y'know...thin brunette Canadian women all look alike.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
not a bad thing imo
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought she was played by Geddy Lee.
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
No, Megan is the actress from s1ocki's short film and a number of lesser features.
Like Hot Tub Time Machine
― mh, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
i always thought conspiratorially that the t-mobile girl was debuted parasitically with megan's emergence
i had the same feeling about another spokesperson & tv it-person but i can't remember who now
― goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
it makes sense to me that a lot of young people nowadays wouldn't know from paul mccartney. at this point, paul's glory days are some 30-60 years distant. that's comparable to kids in the mid 60s drawing a blank on jolson
you misunderstood my post! that's exactly what i was saying!!!!!
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp to Morbz a bunch of posts upthread: Most of this season I've spent thinking whether Pete is more of a Bud Frump or a J Pierpont Finch. I think he alternates between the two. Also, I wonder if he lives in New Rochelle.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
in re megan i don't think the various parts we've been shown of her (NO NOT IN THAT SENSE GET YOUR MINDS OUT OF THE GUTTER) don't really add up to a very coherent whole. the fact that we very nearly ONLY see her in don's company is probably the culprit here; we have little sense of who she was before or what she is when she's with friends and not with don. so basically her construct seems like a creaky construct right now. that doesn't reflect on the actress as much as the writers.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
which train line was pete taking?
i assume henry and betty live in greenwich or something.
s1ocki's movie vs. hot tube tim machine
― We Need To Talk About Trayvon (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
damn, that's a lot of exclamation points
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, she's basically set up as 1960s manic pixie dream girl - which is prob why she annoys me.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
We've seen Megan with Peggy without Don, right?
― Brando Ambassador (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
bday party planning scene
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
also working on Heinz
making extra coupons when it wasn't called for etc
― We Need To Talk About Trayvon (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
pls stop
― We Need To Talk About Trayvon (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Dominic West!!!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
her CHARACTER seems like a creaky construct
once again, i cannot type
you misunderstood my post! that's exactly what i was saying!!!!!damn, that's a lot of exclamation points― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well, it was frustrating reading a whole post ripping apart my suggestion when in fact it was making the same point i had intended to make. ;-)
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
xxxx...post
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
i assumed henry and betty's house was in rye, ny as it was mentioned last season. re: pete, trudy had mentioned loving greenwich last season, but when he got on the train, greenwich was called as the next stop, iirc.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
eagle eye!
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
eye ear
pete moving to the suburbs is one of the saddest things to happen on this show. i loved his old new yorker-ness
― mizzell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
the New Rochelle thing is a line from a "How to Succeed" song - how Bobby Morse's love interest dreams of moving to the burbs
― sarahell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
― sarahell, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:53 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Bingo!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Like, why are you advertising executives so cynical?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyway, the part where Betty calls Don about her cancer made me cry - because i could totally relate to the calling-your-ex-when-in-trouble thing.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I thought it was a really honest moment between them
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Darewood and Mr Kravitz!
― *tera, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
I finally got it -- the thing about the Megan/Don relationship is that she's in the part of her life where she's expecting a partner to adapt and grow with her. It may also be a little bit of a generational thing, since 26 was halfway to old maid territory a scant decade earlier. Don is fairly set in his personal ways -- all the apartment trappings and social bits he can deal with, but he doesn't like anyone else making decisions in his personal life.
― mh, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah Megan was totally faking agreeing that the conversation was boring - she works at an ad agency, it's been her ambition, she was interested but going along with the other dude's wife.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
This week's mad style is so great because it really gets into how the costume designer uses clothes to tell the story.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, she's expecting a full and enthusiastic partnership, someone to experience life with, and he's this armor-hulled immovable object who just wants the people around him to keep their shit together.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
...and their noses out of his business.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
xxp, yeah, good run-down in mad style. hated betty's pink nylon housecoat, ridiculously ott, but good catch on the parallels between peggy and michael.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I would have never noticed how his ties matched her outfits.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, me neither, nor did i notice how similarly his apt was lit to the early scenes of peggy's family (probably should have, but derp)
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think Megan may bend Don some. The scene where she was rushing him to fire island..I expected him to flip but he seemed to acknowledge she was right.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
well don bent Megan in front of the fireplace so..
/sorry
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
you keep talking about that, i seems
― og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 23:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
thx for the tip nicole!
― balls, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 23:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
really wanted a fire island scene
not on board with this "pete is a likable character now" thing
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
who said he's likeable? he's such a snake!
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete the character is AWFUL in all ways, but the actor is really good at making him so desperately horrible, it's fantastic
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
and you can tell he could be a really good dude if he just unwound the crazy spring in his head
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
thought someone did upthread? i USED to like him. and i still probably like him better than harry who seems almost irredeemably schlubby
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry is a funny dork, I feel a lot of sympathy for him – he's clearly talanted, but so graceless and socially inept that he just ends up tanking his own career.
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
in what way is Harry "talented"
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
we never see him do anything or come up with any ideas
The best idea Harry ever had was to con his bosses into creating a television department. Hasn't done anything since.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry is def. a bit good at the creative stuff, I think? Hasn't it been intimated that he's okay at that, but kinda crap at business?
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think you are making that up
― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
he runs the tv dept, also invented it, what more do you want from him
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
you all just hate him because he's an overweight schlub, admit it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
he's not overweight anymore, he's practically svelte
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
you hate him for his effortless weight loss
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hate him because he invented the television
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes, without Harry there would be no Mad Men for us to watch.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mad Men as Doonesbury hmm
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
I love Pete not because he is likable but because his character is just so delicious to watch, complex.
― *tera, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete is like a multi-layered artisanal sandwich. Harry is like a pile of mashed potatoes.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I always anticipate seeing what kind of weasely thing the character is going to come up with next.
― mh, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have always hated Harry and I am really pleased people are now seeing his awful ways. He has done almost zero anything innovative at SDCP. I mean, he's the dude that somehow hangs on and people sorta respect (to a degree) and you wonder what the fuck it is they do. I work at an advertising agency and there are like 15 of these people who have their own offices and vague titles and kinda just dink around and stare at the walls.
Not sure why s1ocki likes him so much!!!!
― homosexual II, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Roger is also becoming one of these people.
totally hope Harry gets herpes. or takes acid and throws himself out a window.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
s1ocki and harry sitting in a tree, watching T E E V E E
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry Gets Herpes: new Mad Men spinoff coming this fall!
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like harry. he's a confused dork, but seems basically harmless underneath all the boobery. not a good man, not a bad man, just sort of there. holding down the middle.
pete i loathe, but agree that kartheiser does a good job enriching his loathability.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
idg why yall hate on harry hes not a rapist like pete yeesh. in the mad men universe, hes a minor lecher
― D-40, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
harry is probably the most typical dude on the show
― mh, Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dont really care for him one way or another but the way yall pile on him like he's so UNTALENTED and HORRIBLE, u have to admit, is 100% about the way he looks
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
what did he do? HE STARTED THE TV DEPARTMENT. that's probably a pretty big part of an ad agency's business.
no it doesn't have anything to do with the way he looks and everything to do with his actions
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
note my stanning for other overweight schlub Paul the Beatnik upthread
that's probably a pretty big part of an ad agency's business.
again you're basing this on... nothing. all the talk about who brings in the most business for the company points pretty squarely to Pete (esp post-Lucky Strike)
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
im basing this on logic and reality, why do you think they brought the schlub over from the old agency and not your beloved beatnik
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
why do you think Pete was made a partner, whereas Harry was just told to "come to work over the weekend"
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
the idea that Harry's crucial or creative or has any redeeming qualities is just not supported by the show. sorry.
he was just forced out of his office fyi
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
forced?? Really??
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
pretty much. it's all about keeping pete happy, since he has ALL the accounts.
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
pete's job is to bring in new clients and to manage existing ones. that kind of thing will always seem sexy and pete's obviously pretty good at it (for reasons that aren't ever made clear: clients don't seem to like him, and he's never shown any great insight, intelligence or understanding of the business).
harry probably does some marketing to broadcasters (?), but we've never seen much of his day-to-day work. we presume he makes TV ads? honestly, i don't think we can say much about the kind of work harry does, what kind of revenue it brings in, or whether he's any good at it. the show simply doesn't care about him. he's a cartoonish shlub designed to set off the more attractive and important characters.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
as i see it, pete is a classic striver: extremely ambitious, tirelessly dedicated to his work, sharp & bold enough to get what he wants.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
we saw that joan could do his job 10x better than him w/o breaking a sweat but that applies to alot of characters
― balls, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
his job = harry; pete's probably the most insightful person (maybe peg) at scdp, though this maybe purely an aspect of his relative youth (though considering harry's about the same age maybe not). sterling cooper's always been depicted as at least a step behind - the first season had draper being skeptical of ddb.
― balls, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
he's never shown any great insight, intelligence or understanding of the business
what about when he exploited his personal loss to attempt to get the airline...? or screwing over his father-in-law to get bigger accounts? Or telling Ted Chaugh to go fuck himself? Or milking the jai-alai moron? Pete is plenty insightful/intelligent.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Harry can be a schmuck, but there's a haplessness about him that I find sympathetic.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
did you even watch the premiere episode?! Roger said "move out and give your office to Pete" and Harry was like "uh okay please don't fire me"
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
i see him as sharp and wily: clever enough to recognize the openings and weaknesses around him, unscrupulous enough to exploit them. this doesn't make him brilliant, but it does make him a very successful jr. shark.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
he's basically the template of the corporate asshole. arrogant, entitled, pushy as hell, sharp enough to get what he wants, largely untroubled by compassion or decency.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
also first season (first episode?) makes clear that what sterling cooper sells really is airtime/print space/etc. the actual ads are the flourish to their middle manning. harry, i believe, basically acts as a liaison between clients and the networks and protects clients interests by making sure their ads aren't awkwardly placed or that they aren't caught off guard by controversial programming. unless he's writing peyton place fanfic on the side there is no creative aspect to his job. the big floorshine ad that don won an award for was a tv ad. if harry was great at his job he might be spotting opportunities for synergy or conceiving product placement (i think tv is finally past the point of 'chesterfield cigarettes proudly presents the flintstones' or whatever by this time right?). instead he relays concerns from clients to networks, he covers his ass, he gets a hard-on when he meets elizabeth mcgovern, etc.
― balls, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
for reasons that aren't ever made clear: clients don't seem to like him, and he's never shown any great insight, intelligence or understanding of the business).
this is otm and a major hurdle in the verisimilitude of the show, imo. no client would ever like this guy = i don't believe it.
― jed_, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
agree that his business is largely the business of being an asshole. he is good at it.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
what clients didn't like Pete? Jojo loved him.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't remember Jojo.
― jed_, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
jai-alai
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah don vaguely tried to scuttle that out of some vague sense of human decency right? which is why don isn't in sales.
― balls, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
let's also not forget, Harry is the one who got Sal fired.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
just because they write that a character would love pete doesn't mean i would believe it.
― jed_, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
saying you don't believe it is different than saying the show doesn't depict it. I don't think Pete is really shown as not working well with clients.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
No, Pete's mostly elbowing coworkers to make sure they make a good impression on his clients, at least that was always my impression. They don't love him like they love Don, but I think Pete knows that and kind of leverages himself against his more impressive/formidable coworkers to keep his clients, if that makes sense.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
fair enough. i've never really seen it and believed it.
― jed_, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, exactly. pete's an awkward, creepy charisma vacuum, and that makes his success in sales extremely difficult to understand/accept. dunno whether this is a fault in the show's conception/writing, kartheiser's performance or both.
example of pete's not doing well with clients: his meeting with the mohawk gang. they clearly preferred sterling, and not just due to familiarity and age. pete himself asknowledged that roger is "good with clients", implying that he knows he isn't. he has absolutely no clue about how to put others at ease. he's completely awkward and off-putting in every social situation, especially when he's trying to be gracious.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
pete's the ultimate "guy no one likes but who succeeds anyway". problem is that though those guys do exist, they aren't generally in sales.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
or if they are, they're a lot more superficially charming than pete
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
like dwight schrute?
― balls, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
dwight wouldn't make a good salesperson, either. but the office is an absurd comedy, so the implausibility doesn't matter.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
have you ever met a person in sales that actually made you want to buy something?
― eyes of dora maar (get bent), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
no, but i've spent a lot of time working with salespeople, and i have a pretty good idea what kind of people do well in that biz. #1 skill is being able to schmooze happily w people who have money to spend, whoever they might be.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
you're thinking of strippers
― balls, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol, strippers are salespeople, and salespeople love strippers, so...
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete's articulate and in awe of the creative side of his agency; he's direct, works hard and has all the proper WASP manners and goes to the right country clubs.
Roger's an entertaining drunk who inherited his one big client, then lost him. He's flippant and spoiled and comes across as largely uninterested in business.
I don't know anything about advertising IRL but I think these respective traits and their relation to building or losing business are more or less consistent in the show's world.
― RCMP, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's hard to imagine a client humiliating Pete the way Lucky Strike Jr. did Roger at the Christmas party. Roger's lack of formality or distance seems more of a liability than an asset.
That Ken is more like Pete than Roger seems appropriate as well.
― RCMP, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Roger said "move out and give your office to Pete" and Harry was like "uh okay please don't fire me"
no Harry was like "bullshit man, I am TV" and Roger was like "ah fuckit how much spare cash do I have in my pocket? oh $1000 how about that" and Harry was too dazzled to either stand his ground or intuit the status endrun that Roger was pulling
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 6 April 2012 01:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete has def. been shown to have insight and business sense at times, there was a whole episode based around his wanting to advertise to black people when no one else in the company could imagine that that would be a lucrative market
― dmr, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
― RCMP, Thursday, April 5, 2012 7:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. you guys are crazy. pete doesnt bro down with clients but there's also just you know ... being professional ... knowing what the client wants to hear ... making sure they get what they want ... there are lots of ways to be good at that job that dont necessarily involve making bad jokes & boozing w/ them a la roger
― D-40, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
no Harry was like "bullshit man, I am TV" and Roger was like "ah fuckit how much spare cash do I have in my pocket? oh $1000 how about that"
this is not what happened. Harry thought he was getting fired.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
"we can have the conversation you thought we were having"
― balls, Friday, 6 April 2012 02:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
exactly. as soon as Roger realized Harry was confessing to a fireable offense Roger told him he could either take his pocket cash (which is a totally insulting way to buy off somebody!) and lose his office, or Roger could get him fired.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
iow, Harry is worth roughly $1,100 to SCDP
Roger was never going to fire him for that, they would have bro-d down about it if Harry was capable of broing down, he was just telling him to stop looking a gift horse in the mouth
nb Megan looks like a gift horse, in the mouth
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, okay, granted. i went to far in saying that he's never shown insight etc. modify to: the show has only rarely taken the time to point out pete's real value (goes double for harry). for the most part, they just have pete magically attract clients, something that doesn't seem well supported by his basic character.
roger's big value is that he is culturally "of business". he's at ease around wealth & executive power. he speaks its language. it's clear that his glory days are past him, though, and at this point he's deluding himself into thinking that his ability to entertain drunk clients makes him indispensable.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
that all went back to dmr on pete's advertising savvy
there are two type of account people, really. there's the ones that schmooze and play nicey-nicey with clients. they can get a lot of places going that route. then there's the account people who try to anticipate the client's needs and be smarter than the client. it's a bit rougher, because sometimes it means your clients might not actually like you.
however, the first type of guy is more easily fired--because guys who are fun and want to schmooze are a dime a dozen. the account people who bring about results are the ones who grow business.
― homosexual II, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was a big revelation when advertising companies realized there's more money in buying media than there is in selling ads. Harry's job is pretty important, but he's replaceable.
The client's don't have to love Pete, but he pays attention to them and tells them what they want to hear and calls them back, so he's good at that job.
― dan selzer, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
otoh, pete's a rapist & harry's just a lech
so,
― D-40, Friday, 6 April 2012 05:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pete (and to an extent, Roger) is in the weird position of being a salesperson in a marketing company selling marketing to the sales departments (or company heads) of other companies.
I think Pete is OK at sales, but he's never shown that he's got a skill for the creative side of the business.
Harry is in the position where he's straddling the two -- he's not selling SCDP's products, he just came up with better ways to use media (television!) but he's still not the creator of marketing materials on tv -- he delegates most of the actual legwork. So he's weak to clients because he's not in sales, and he's weak in the office because he's not a producer of material -- he's just finding tv opportunities for existing clients to be sold commercials.
― mh, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
So in other words, Harry is doomed to middle management
oh god Harry is perfect middle-management material
no discernible skills; olympic-level blame-shifter; at an early point in his career was creative enough to do something that justified him getting an office and will rest on that laurel for the rest of his natural born life.
he doesn't want to move up, he just wants to be left alone. he's made it to the middle and that's where he'll stay.
I work with so many of these it's ridiculous.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
he doesn't want to move up, he just wants to be left alone.
lol that's me!
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
actually I think I just described myself too, lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think you described every half-decent person who works in an office
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
we are Harry
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I aspire to the ability to talk with coworkers, break down my responsibilities into clearly-defined tasks, and then complete a reasonable number of these tasks each day, or at least each week.
I'll let you know if this ever happens.
― mh, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
not only does the harry office thing have nothing to do with his status (like someone said, he had to be PAID off, with a bit of humourous fake blackmail), dont they have to like beg him to join the new firm when they leave the old one?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 6 April 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
do you even watch this show?
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nah, they just had to keep reassuring him it would all be okay b/c he's such a narrow-visioned whiner. And because he didn't want to be left locked in a closet in the old office.
― Jaq, Friday, 6 April 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
not only does the harry office thing have nothing to do with his status
Roger picked him because a) Roger didn't want to give up his own office and b) he knew no one else would defend Harry, because he's useless and nobody likes him
(like someone said, he had to be PAID off, with a bit of humourous fake blackmail)
he did not have to be paid off, Roger made it clear Harry could either a) accept Roger's pocket change in lieu of his office or b) suffer the wrath of Don and get fired.
dont they have to like beg him to join the new firm when they leave the old one?
they didn't even tell him they were starting a new company! he was told to show up on Saturday, not knowing what was going on. The other partners had to make promises to Pete and Peggy to get them on board, with Harry they didn't even bother, they just bossed him around.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm starting to think s1ocki drifts off to sleep when this show starts and then dreams about being Harry and how much everyone respects him and how big and important he is
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
^ irl lol, sorry s1ocki
― balls, Friday, 6 April 2012 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
The next morning, we see Pete in the elevator. Off-screen, Harry calls for him to hold it. Once inside, he asks Pete if they called him in too. Pete says that they did. Pete then admits to Harry that he’s “a little scared”. Harry, oblivious to what Pete’s talking about, asks him to clarify. Pete, realizing that Harry doesn’t know, says nothing. A couple minutes pass, and the two walk through the doors of Sterling Cooper to see Bert, Roger and Lane huddled over a table. Harry, confused, asks what’s going on. Bert says that PPL has been sold to McCann, that they’re starting a new agency, and that they’d like him to join the new company as “Head of Media”. Harry looks stunned, and asks if they’re kidding. “Yes. Yes we are”, Roger quips. Bert then says that they need an answer from Harry now. Harry says that he should really call his wife. Bert says that the matter is secret and time-sensitive, and that if he turns down their offer to “become a mid-level cog at McCann” that they’ll have to lock him in the store room until morning. Harry seems frozen with indecision. To break the silence, Lane hands Pete a folder and ask if he knows where the related paperwork is. Pete says that he has no idea, so he hands the folder to Harry.
^^^power broker in action
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
fwiw harry provides me a great deal of enjoyment ("i thought you were ordering for yr whole family") and he's still almost definitely the most decent american man at the firm (o wait - cosgrove). it's just crazy considering how much i liked harry in season one and how much i hated pete and how much i've completely reversed my feelings there even though pete isn't that much better a person now and harry isn't really that much worse.
― balls, Friday, 6 April 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
not defending harry as a savvy power player, but iirc, roger only worked out that pete had been trying to confess to a fireable offense after he'd made the cash offer. once he twigged to this, he was able to leverage harry with it, but he'd started out hoping to just straight-up pay harry off.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
god so tempted to watch that season 3 finale again, giddy just reading about it
― balls, Friday, 6 April 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
right. of course, if Roger had known Harry had committed a fireable offense PRIOR to the meeting, Roger just would have threatened him with that outright and not paid him anything.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
roger's a bully and harry's a pushover, pete getting that office was never in doubt
― balls, Friday, 6 April 2012 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
harry is no tyrus
― =D (am0n), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
troo
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
well, Pete wanted Roger's office. Roger just looked around for the easiest target/least valuable company asset.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah it's a sign of how much that power dynamic has shifted that roger felt the need to proactively find a solution to the problem.
― balls, Friday, 6 April 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
and maybe a sign of pete's relative maturity that he settles (for now at least) for harry's office even though he still feels slighted. both of these guys can be such babies.
― balls, Friday, 6 April 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
xxp that's kinda true, but then who else has an office? don... does cooper even have one these days or does he just float around? harry isn't really among minnows in that company.
dunno why i'm defending him though, what a chump.
― Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Cooper doesn't have an office. I think he just lounges around the conference room and the reception area. otoh he doesn't actually do anything.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
so yeah I think Pete, Harry, Lane, Don, Roger (and maybe Ken?) are the ones with offices. Joan has an office in the middle of the layout iirc.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
ah, forgot about Lane.
― Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyway, has Don always hated Harry? His open contempt in this last episode was p lol, but not something I remember happening before this season.
― Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't think so but don's never been a teddybear
― balls, Friday, 6 April 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
iirc harry had nothing to do last season, except for the hilarious moment when they stole a quilt from his office to cover miss blankenship's rolling corpse.
― techno pink (reddening), Saturday, 7 April 2012 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
sally draper is the best. hahaha
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 9 April 2012 02:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm actually enjoying Henry's mother in this one.
Scene in an Italian restaurant (bottle of red), was amazing.
― dan selzer, Monday, 9 April 2012 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Holy shit, "Mystery Date" was a real game! I thought Simpsons writers made it up.
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 9 April 2012 02:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 9 April 2012 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
This was a hilarious episode until about halfway through when it got dark as fuck.
― LaMonte, Monday, 9 April 2012 03:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don's fever dream was unnecessary imo. The tension of will he/won't he has been neutered by being answered (he will, apparently).
Agree that Henry's mother was a guilty pleasure this week.
Also, WTG Joan!
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 April 2012 04:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
New guy reminds me of Chachi...of Happy Days and Joanie Loves Chachi.
― *tera, Monday, 9 April 2012 04:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
omg yes
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
yah, fever dream was that bullshit
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ken Cosgrove's "you almost got fired right then" was awesome.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 April 2012 04:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thought it was just too gratuitous. Maybe it will become something poignant later.
― *tera, Monday, 9 April 2012 04:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
YES! was going to point this out last week but forgot. especially in profile.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 9 April 2012 05:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Peggy has the best gifs this season.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 April 2012 05:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
(and pretty much every season)
I loved this episode. I thought the fever dream worked okay since it was telegraphed pretty hard. I don't think it was much as a "will he/won't he" thing as a weird way of looking at how Don feels baout things in his new marriage and whatnot.
Sally Draper is the best. Peggy shouldn't get so drunk, but maybe she doesn't have much more tact when she's sober tbh. She's definitely a better negotiator than Harry Crane though.
Epic lols at Roger sneaking through the office behind Pete as Pink Panther-like music played.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 9 April 2012 06:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
If Peggy had just grabbed her purse from the coffee table in one fluid motion without stopping to think "OMG RACIST BEHAVIOR" it would've been no big thing. I'd take my wallet into my own room no matter who was staying over. It was nice of Dawn to leave a thank you note, though.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 April 2012 06:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
peggy-roger scene was probably the funniest thing in the history of the show. or maybe i'm just mad tired, i dunno. sally and henry's mother also a great duo.
― Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Monday, 9 April 2012 06:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
my take on don somewhat confirmed by this episode
and yeah, peggy and roger bartering was one my favorite moments in the show's history. moss really on top of her character there.
nice character bit: michael's moral revulsion when others found the murders exciting didn't prevent him from exploiting that excitement in his "dark" cinderella pitch. also intrigued by the creepy parallels between that pitch and the story of the speck murders as told to sally by betty's mother in law. both narratives revolved for a moment around the possibility of a stranger's handsomeness, though to very different ends. tied together in the middle by don's dream.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 08:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
god i had forgotten about those murders in chicago, christ. my mom says that was really, really upsetting to her.
felt like this was one of the better episodes of this show.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 9 April 2012 10:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
d'you guys take the 1st half of the woman in yellow's visit as real or dreamed? i like to think it was dreamed and in don's subconscious it's important to him that she'd point out that he was a good interior decorator
― johnny crunch, Monday, 9 April 2012 11:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
100% dream when she shows up at the apartment imo.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 9 April 2012 12:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes, I doubt the elevator lady felt compelled to track down and then try to have sex with the sweaty coughing mess she saw in the elevator.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 9 April 2012 13:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
also if she hadn't seen him for six years she had fuck-all chance of finding where he lives now
I'd take my wallet into my own room no matter who was staying over.
otm, esp as she's used to living with a flatmate. this was v unfair to Peggy imo
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, 9 April 2012 13:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
</capnsaveapeggy>
thought the purse thing was unsubtle and lame, right up to I LEFT YOU A NOTE ON YOUR PURSE YOU SECRET RACIST
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 14:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm glad now that Greg didn't get killed in Vietnam because seeing him get told off and thrown out of the house was way more satisfying.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 9 April 2012 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tminus how many episodes until Peggy sleeps with Ginsberg
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Monday, 9 April 2012 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
He'll still get killed in Vietnam.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 14:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
IMO, the purse thing wasnt to show Peggy's secret racism but more to show that race/racism as a social reality.
― ryan, Monday, 9 April 2012 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought it was to show peggy as trying too hard, because lonely.
― s.clover, Monday, 9 April 2012 14:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
but I mean it was a great mad men moment because awkward and not too outrageously contrived and v. much of the time with a whole bunch of context and meaning and interpretation captured basically by deft editing and not much else.
― s.clover, Monday, 9 April 2012 14:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
also still LOVE the mystery date jingle
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait that was madchen amick
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
thought Henry's mother's knife underscored the "I AM SCARRING YOU, BETTY DRAPER" a bit too heavily but man those scenes were creepy/lol
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
seconal, passed out under the couch omg
er SALLY Draper
Giving Sally a downer a week after recommending Betty start taking uppers!
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
peggy's purse faux pas was the capper on a kind of overall misfire on her part -- trying to reach out but really making everything about herself. I love glimpses into unguarded peggy's mind, but dawn was clearly hesitant to trust her and peggy was kind of bulldozing over her the whole conversation. which is unflattering to peggy but a totally worthwhile thing to highlight imo, the different levels of privilege occurring within SCDP itself.
― techno pink (reddening), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Like we know we can trust Peggy, but her boozy "don't worry about it" attitude when Dawn asks her not to tell Don...it wasn't convincing at all.
― techno pink (reddening), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
by my count Roger's tally for bribing people in the office into doing things for him is up to $1410 so far this season
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, kinda hoping this becomes a running gag.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
trying to reach out but really making everything about herself
yeah def. and projecting her own career path/hopes and dreams onto Dawn in a way that was unintentionally really condescending. thinking that every secretary secretly wants to be a copywriter, etc
thought it was pretty well done the way the "white people problems" media anxiety over the student nurse murders overshadowed the riots. bumping it off the cover of Life magazine and Peggy saying "but you're not a nurse" ... oh.
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
the Don dream kinda ruined the episode for me tbh. just lame.
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, loved this. getting expensive for roger to get his way.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
I didn't think the Don-dream thing was so bad but the whole "sick fever dream of cheating/murder" was a total Sopranos rehash
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
loved the Peggy and Dawn scenes, so uncomfortable. wondering if Dawn is gonna get some actual background/characterization at some point
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
$1410 so far this season
Isn't that about $7-8,000 in 2012 dollars?
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
but the whole "sick fever dream of cheating/murder" was a total Sopranos rehash
well yeah. that's why it sucked. sort of been done to death.
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
the "I am so irresistable, even when totally sick" thing telegraphed it a bit
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
nice character bit: michael's moral revulsion when others found the murders exciting didn't prevent him from exploiting that excitement in his "dark" cinderella pitch.
that was pretty well done.
the attempts to allude to the murders and make it a theme through the rest of the episode, I didn't think it really added up to anything. "she escaped by hiding under the bed" --> Sally sleeps under the couch, Don stuffs a corpse under his bed
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's the ongoing "all this stuff means something; see the connections?" show-and-don't-go madmen trademark
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
because I still envision a horrible future for Sally, that shot where she looks at the bottle of pills felt like it should have been underscored with a DUN-DUN-DUNNNN musical sting.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Anyone wanna give a wiki link to the murders? I don't know much about American history of nurse killers.
― Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Speck
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Here's the lurid version that Henry's mother would be a fan of:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/speck/index_1.html
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
was familiar with but had largely forgotten about Speck.
o_0 at the prison video ref'd in the wiki tho
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
I remember seeing the part of that video aired by some Bill Kurtis program in the 90s.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw what did Dawn's note say...? All I could make out was "thanks for your generosity" or something
"sorry for putting you out", I think?
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
would just like to say the bit where Peggy got up on the couch and folded her legs under her, with hands in her lap, ready to confess = A+
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
i did NOT know about speck, what a fucked up story.also wtf wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_rapists
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
American rapistsStay away from meeee
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
aaaanyway we all know about this already right
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
More than that! $50 to the secretary in the debut, $1100 to Harry same ep, and $410 to Peggy last night
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Just wanted to point out that the show must have a product placement deal w/Bugles, as Mother Francis was eating them while watching tv just like FatBetty.
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's always been tons of product placement on this show
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha i though the bugles was a nice link between Betty and Mother Francis (as was "your mother is obsese.")
― ryan, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Bugles: Fat People Like 'Em!tm
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyone else feel robbed of at least a season's worth of potboilery baby daddy drama by joan's dumping the motherfucker already?
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
you misspelled "saved from"
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyone else think that the show's treatment of betty is sort of shabby/creepy and indicative of certain issues on the part of its creator(s)?
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp lol, i guess so
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
and yes, i agree with you
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think you could definitely make a case that this show has "mommy" issues... in contrast to Don (who's shown more or less being a dad who at least loves his children), pretty much all the mothers on the show have been portrayed in a pretty negative light.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
BettyPeggy's motherHenry's motherJoan's mother (altho in the last couple episodes she doesn't come off so badly...?)
Mona Sterling seemed to have her shit together, I guess
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Campbell's ice-cold mother too
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
how are the daddies in general, besides absent? the only ones coming to mind are pete's dead one and lane's violent one.
― Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Betty's dad was pretty cool.
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don's drunk, violent one
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Trudy's dad seems manipulative but not entirely evil. at least responsible and caring towards his daughter.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
The women on the show are just pretty faces or they are Joan, Betty, Peggy, Sally and now Mother Francis This is why I was hoping Megan has some major character development. Hate that Betty's just sort of stagnated with a lame weight issue so far. Would have appreciated more Sally time instead of the Don dream.
― *tera, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
The women on the show are just pretty faces or they are Joan, Betty, Peggy, Sally and now Mother Francis
mmm no. Trudy, Megan. Wouldn't exactly call the LIFE mag woman a "pretty face" lol
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh you ref'd Megan - sorry. Trudy isn't major but I do think she's past the "pretty face" accusation
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
trying to reach out but really making everything about herself.
yes--it wasn't just peggy glancing at the purse. dawn looked uncomfortable with much of their conversation, esp the latter half. i think part of this may be peggy's self-centeredness but also a reaction to what i think might be perceived by dawn as a kind of uncomfortable intimacy. not sexual intimacy, just.... well just as peggy probably doesn't have much experience hanging out with black folks, i wonder if dawn has much experience hanging out with white folks. and by going from 1 to 11 on the relax-o-meter peggy probably made dawn pretty uncomfortable. the purse thing was just the capper.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Peggy was doing a lot of projection/nervous white person stuff. Eager to spotlight their similarities without actually talking about race etc
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's the ongoing "all this stuff means something; see the connections?" show-and-don't-go madmen trademark― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, April 9, 2012 11:37 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, this. sometimes it comes together nicely just on the level of patterning, sometimes it actually means something, other times it seems like they are trying too hard to signal their "quality" status by hitting you over the head with this meaningless parallelism. i think this last episode fit more in category 1 but YMMV. the worst instance of this had to be that "beautiful girls" episode.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 9, 2012 5:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, the moment peggy shifted from "i know what it's like to be the only one of your kind" (OK, sure) to "and i know all about your ambitions and concerns" (uh..) dawn began to look uncomfortable.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Pretty faces" as in featured extras. I would love to see more Trudy.
― *tera, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don is totally useless at being anything more than a weekend parent, think of the episode from last season where Sally threw a tantrum in his office. If the mothers come off worse on this show it's usually because they carry the greater burden; they're simply in proximity to the kids more, without many (or any) other outlets, so their arbitrariness and cruelty stand out.
Betty is this but with the added challops of being relentlessly immature. The show's refusal to let her grow up or learn from experience like, at all, is its worst part imo, if it's just gonna be Fat Morticia this season I'd rather they write her out altogether.
― RCMP, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
If the mothers come off worse on this show it's usually because they carry the greater burden
lol what "burden" did Betty carry - Carla did everything
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
I dunno about the "burdens" borne by the parents on the show whose children are already grown (which is all the other mothers I listed)
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
would say the show is more broadly about dysfunctional families, rather than dysfunctional moms
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Wow, whoever brought up the sociopathic stuff a few weeks ago was otm with this whole dream sequence!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
i felt very otm in that moment, though it was veggie girl who first called don a sociopath itt
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
ah c'mon who among us hasn't dreamed of strangled an ex amirite
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbrr tho... if Don had actually murdered her that would have been evidence for his being a sociopath. But dreaming about it just means that he's anxious about reconciling his past and his libido with his relationship with Megan. It has zero bearing on whether or not he's a sociopath (which, in case it isn't obvious, I don't really think is supported by the series - his relationship with Anna and, to a lesser extent Joan and Peggy, suggest otherwise)
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah but this is still close to a 'plate of shrimp' moment
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
thought it was pretty well done the way the "white people problems" media anxiety over the student nurse murders overshadowed the riots. bumping it off the cover of Life magazine and Peggy saying "but you're not a nurse" ... oh.― dmr, Monday, April 9, 2012 1:21 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― dmr, Monday, April 9, 2012 1:21 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Not that it invalidates your point, bit iirc the nurses in Chicago were all filipina, not white.
― LaMonte, Monday, 9 April 2012 23:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Shakey Don comes off as "more or less being a dad who at least loves his children" only because he gets to be the cool weekend escape glamorous fun parent. All the dads do. They get to flee into Manhattan, stylish offices and casting calls. They're also neglectful, alcoholic, philandering and sometimes violent. This is why I don't think the show itself has "mommy issues," except maybe in how regressive Betty continues to be.
The show is obviously about this insane level of privilege enjoyed by a very narrow sliver of society, how wonderful and glamorous and easy it is, just before it's seriously challenged. All I'm saying is the freedom to neglect your kids with impunity is one of these privileges. Despite her class, Betty and the others don't have access to this in quite the same way.
― RCMP, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
some were "white," some filipina.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
All the dads do. They get to flee into Manhattan, stylish offices and casting calls. They're also neglectful, alcoholic, philandering and sometimes violent.
violent?
where does this "all the dads do" come from? none of the other father characters (only ones I can think of with small children are Lane, whose family has been out of the country, and Pete, whose child is just a baby) do any of this.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
and I think Don's been shown to genuinely be concerned for his children's physical welfare in a way that Betty is not
I'm talking about all of the mothers and fathers on the show, regardless of age, as people were upthread. Lane's dad was violent, as was Grandma Francis'. When did we switch to just this generation?
I agree with your second point but Don's way of expressing concern (on a fundamental, life-choices level) is "where's a woman who can handle this?"
― RCMP, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm talking about all of the mothers and fathers on the show, regardless of age, as people were upthread.
^^^this, does not jibe with this:They get to flee into Manhattan, stylish offices and casting calls. They're also neglectful, alcoholic, philandering and sometimes violent.
the only generation depicted fleeing to Manhattan's stylish offices and casting calls is Don's generation.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don's dad may have been violent, alcoholic, neglectful and philandering but that was obviously unrelated to Manhattan lol
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
The show's refusal to let her grow up or learn from experience like, at all, is its worst part imo
Work with/know plenty of people in real life who won't grow up or learn from experience, and its not their writers holding them back
― seven league bootie (James Morrison), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
No way is Don a sociopath. The man's got the full range of emotional responses, plus extra kinks, but he's understandably shy about showing them given his era, his past as an impersonation of a dead man, and a man who saw nasty shit while he was in Korea 9inlcuding being blown up, which would give anyone PTSD)
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