is there already a thread on this? its fun!
watson was in AFGHANISTAN
― max, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
as he was in the conan doyle stories
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
though i guess watson was in AFGHANISTAN in the stories too eh
xp
― max, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Cumberbatch's Sherlock uses modern technology, such as texting and internet blogging, to solve the crimes"
some talk on the bbc iplayer thred:
SHERLOCK
starring martin freeman and bernard cumberbatch
first episode has been and gone and was surprisingly... actually alright
― the tape store called... (cozen), Monday, 26 July 2010 08:20 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Holmes texting and using 'tinternet seemed really natural. Also LOL at "three patch problem". Running around central Loldon with a map overlaid on the screen = DUD though. Wish it were slightly less nu-Who like, but it's a Mark Gatiss thing so inevitable.
― ninjas and lasers and gold and (snoball), Monday, 26 July 2010 09:05 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Gatiss totally played the brother as Panto Mandelson.
― the phantom flâneur flinger (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2010 09:55 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Wish it were slightly less nu-Who like, but it's a Mark Gatiss thing so inevitable.
You don't blame this on Moffatt at all? I really liked it.
― ailsa, Monday, 26 July 2010 16:40 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
read that as new-wu and got confused and excited.
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 26 July 2010 17:42 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
xp I got confused. It's a freaky Moffatt/Gatiss joint all the way...
― ninjas and lasers and gold and (snoball), Monday, 26 July 2010 17:50 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
This was good. Very good. Although Martin Freeman's basically playing Martin Freeman.
Intriguingly their 221b baker street set has a near identical layout to the one in the Granada/Jeremy Brett version.
― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 11:35 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, it's hard to imagine anyone looking at the pasty, pudgy Freeman and thinking 'hm, there's a military man, not long back from under the Afghan sun'. This was okay though. Cumberbatch great, Gatiss grates.
― Born too beguiled (DavidM), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 11:39 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah Cumberbatch was terrific and this series has fantastic potential.
Didn't think a modern Sherlock would work but they somehow pulled it off, the GPS and laptops aspect didn't feel shoehorned in but where they nailed it was getting the atmosphere. The way it was filmed really helped give a claustrophobic and menacing Victorian feel to modern London, lots of dark back alleys and very little of the visual clutter you associate with this city. They should keep the series out of gleaming office buildings and keep it in the realm of dark streets and snug old pubs IMO.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 11:44 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Liked this a lot, and I'm a bit of a Holmes traditionalist. Only bit that felt a bit LOLmodern shoehorned was the continued references to them being in the gayXorz. Or is that an in-joke about 'Sherlock', the game for the Spectrum and C64?
― Hey Jabulani! Pope of four four two. (aldo), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 12:42 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I thought martin freeman was really good; surprisingly so, in fact, but granted I've not seen in him in anything stand-out since the office
― cozen, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 12:45 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
The way it was filmed really helped give a claustrophobic and menacing Victorian feel to modern London
also the way my PS3 auto screen dimming kicked in after about 30 mins and i didn't notice for another 30 :/
― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 12:47 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Only just caught up with last week's, good stuff. I like the fact they included a puzzle without an explanation right at the end (Sherlock's comment re how to tell a good restaurant, with the answer presumably being lol Chinese people are short)
― if, Sunday, 1 August 2010 19:45 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Am quite enjoying Sherlock, I have to say. Thought the last episode was a bit laborious, but among other things I like a lot - the configuring of London topography in a way that reminds me strongly of Machen, Stevenson (funny sort of London but still a version of it), and Conan Doyle (museums, small out-of-the-way shops, abandoned houses, dark side-streets); all the emphasis on hidden information - again a sort of reconfiguration of the London environment, whether it's mobile communication or graffiti; the way it patterns Victorian sensational fiction themes (such as the sax rohmer yellow peril stuff of the last one) on to the 21st century; + all the comic book stuff (a touch of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen about it, again perhaps not surprisingly) and, you know, a proper fight! behind the curtain of a stage! Great!
That last one was extremely indebted (presumably deliberately) to The Talons of Weng-Chiang, not at all a bad thing imo.
I don't watch a lot of tv so maybe there's a few programmes doing interesting stuff like this, but yeah, good stuff.
― Hide the prickforks (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 12:34 (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
thought sherlock was p.dece on the whole
― cozen, Monday, 9 August 2010 08:54 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i never made the sherlock holmes / dr who connection before but so many things about holmes and watson are so VERY who, aren't they
i thought the first episode was tremendous - i love the text overlays on the screen
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 August 2010 11:11 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ledge, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
lot of grousing on ~forums~ earlier about moriarty and his accent but I thought he was ace
― cozen, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
moriarty was p. great last night. Also really like the floating-text-message device. and the coat.xp otm
― stet, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
moriarty was great i thought! sad that it's already over tho? didnt realise there were only going to be 3 eps
― just sayin, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
has xmas special written all over it
― cozen, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Haven't seen the third one yet but the first two were pretty good fun, I hope they spin a few more out of them.
― Matt DC, Monday, 9 August 2010 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
woah wait, what, that's it? ffs.
― stet, Monday, 9 August 2010 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
3 eps too many imho
― former moderator, please give generously (DG), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
well each one is the length of a movie. it's basically 3 dr whos, or 6 half hours of american television (approx 20 mins each)
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
er i mean 6 dr whos, and 13 half hours of american television
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
is this seeable w/o cable
― pies. (gbx), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
do u know about "the internet"
― max, Monday, 9 August 2010 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
no :(
― pies. (gbx), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
I saw the first episode & all those words floating around reminded me of "Ghost Writer."
― spanikopitcon (Abbott), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
benedict cumberbatch Vs. sheldon turnipseed
― conrad, Monday, 9 August 2010 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
Totally watchable. Was disappointed with Moriarty, the end of last night's episode was a little soppy. Still good though, Cumberbatch was great in the role.
― mmmm, Monday, 9 August 2010 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
I watched this last night, I was pleasantly surprised - "reboot" of an old favourite character is usually shorthand for dreadful garbage, but this was good. It was schlocky, but kind of felt like grownup schlock, not adolescent bollocks. Cumberbatch was great.
― Take my hand, we'll make it I swear (Pashmina), Monday, 9 August 2010 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
low expectations for this, found it to be surprisingly enjoyable, although there's plenty of stuff to nitpick about. ep 2 was the weakest, I think, trying to update the 19th century version of the "exotic orient" just came off a bit too silly. and ending the last ep on a cliffhanger, with no word on when the next one will be-- irritating. but everyone above on the greatness of Cumberbatch is otm.
― her breath came in short pants (sciolism), Monday, 9 August 2010 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
How come there's only three episodes? That seems crazy.
Benedict Cumberbatch is the name of some Hogwarts reject, I still refuse to believe that that is a real name.
― ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2010 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
― conrad, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
That might be even worse! Although it is pretty close.
― ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Three 1 1/2 hour films is pretty good going - wouldn't have been surprised if they'd just got to make one single episode to start with, tbh (though I think they did an hour-long unscreened pilot which became the first episode). Presume Moffatt and Gatiss a bit busy with Doctor Who stuff as well.
Also, everyone saying Ben Cucumberpatch is awesome is incredibly OTM. I've seen him in other stuff and not been wowed, but he fits this really well.
― ailsa, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Speaking of weird and colonial, three guesses why Cumberbatch is a relatively common name amongst African-Americans. Benedict Cumberbatch is really excellent.
Won't someone respond to my point that Mark Gatiss' Mycroft is like watching Peter Mandelson in panto?
― duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
three guesses why Cumberbatch is a relatively common name amongst African-Americans
This reminds me of thinking that maybe ska pioneer Theophilus Beckford was related to mento singer Stanley Beckford or U-Roy aka Ewart Beckford, until it was pointed out that there was another reason why a lot of Jamaicans are called Beckford. Which was a slight bummer to my joyful contemplation of reggae history.
Think it's about time I watched this Sherlock, too.
― rah rah rah wd smash the oiks (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Didn't Gatiss say he'd based him on Mandelson?
― ailsa, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
I have no idea, but it is super-funny. I want to see him sitting on a big throne with a bound volume of fairy tales.
Benedict Cumberbatch has brought his family history up in interviews to basically say o_0. A few years ago I was at a book launch and was introduced to a frightfully posh young man whose surname was Womack. I hadn't realized this was an English name AT ALL until that point, and then the guy told me the singers' surname was no accident because theirs had been a slaving family.
― duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just watched the third one, this kind of nonsense is 100% up my street. Not much that I didn't enjoy, there. A few months ago we re-watched all the Jonathan Creeks and this filled the void that left quite nicely. Although J-Creek wouldn't have had any woooo mysteeeerious stuff (left mysterious).
>>SPOILERS>>>>>>>>I totally called Moriarty as a bad guy the first time he appeared, then forgot. WHY would someone faking a painting make half of it something so weird and "obviously" fake? This really confused me. Was the mistake put in there deliberately by Moriarty? But how?>>>>
― Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 05:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
Btw in the opening shot, my husband was convinced that Sherlock was actually Alan Rickman. He looks and sounds identical there!
― Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 06:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Only grouse so far (apart from the fact that ep.2 wasn't as good as the other 2) is I hope they don't just go for lots of murders. One of the things I enjoyed about the originals is the stories about non-lethal puzzles and oddities.
According to Zoe Ball (who, I'm sure, must know) Cumberbatch went up for Dr. Who and Matt Smith went up for Dr. Watson. Someone in casting seems to be doing the right thing anyway.
― i find music confusing and annoying (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
They're already setting up Holmes marathons in the USAhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iVaDQ26TVnBtf3h0iisgyybUFRTQ
― i find music confusing and annoying (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
Matt Smith read for Watson and was judged too manic, but when BC was approached to try for Doctor Who, he didn't want to do it because of the merchandising nightmare. This information is available to anyone who reads a newspaper.
― duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
cumberbatch would have made an impeccable doctor imo
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
This was a lot of fun to watch, and I hope they make more... Cumberbatch borrows a couple of mannerisms from Brett (quick lift off the chair while sitting in it indian-style, and the quick flash of rictus type of smile) but takes a totally different, and appealing, tack with the character. I also loved the mindfuck where they show the overhead shot of him at his desk, looking like he's just shot up. As intended, it made me think "here we go again, lazy scriptwriters making Holmes use cocaine DURING a case, which he never ever does" and then it turns out to be nicotine patches! Hilarious. They got me.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
I had no idea his mum is Wanda Ventham. Blimey.
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
BC even turned up as a guest in a friend's wedding photos last week (she's from a luvvie family too). Truly this man gets everywhere.
― duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Fast forward to 7:14 for nice comic moment and Michael Winner looking like an ass.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
He would have ruined the show for me thanks to his "You have to bite it!" scene in Atonement. In Sherlock it's not as bad because I can't see him raping Martin Freeman.
― ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm sure ILX's slashfic aficionados know where to find exactly what you describe.
― duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Blimey indeed, I just happnened to see her in The Saint before I left the house, what a babe!
Dr. Who is a bit like Sherlock Holmes in many way.
― tom d: he did what he had to do now he is dead (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
would objectify
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Really ejoyed this. Even Martin Freeman was suprisingly decent, but Cumberbatch was amazing in the Sherlock role. Was talking to a friend about Cumberbatch in Doctor Who and we both came to the conclusion he would make a great Master to play off Matt Smith if Steven Moffat ever goes down that route.
― Mr.Prologue, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
second series!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/10/sherlock-second-series-bbc
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
would objectify― unchill english bro (history mayne), 35 minutes ago
― unchill english bro (history mayne), 35 minutes ago
^^^^^^^^Genuine laugh out loud at this popping up in blog view. Would seriously love if this caught on as a meme.
Kinda follow Penny Red's views on "oh lawd enough with the Holmes already" but, erm, I <3 Cumberbatch for his Momusian turn in To The Ends Of The Earth. I'm avoiding reading any of the slash (it's already turning up in my LJ stream) until I've seen the thing. Which at my rate of tellyviewing is, erm, never.
That is all.
― all your life is channel 13, Sesame Street, what does it mean? (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm avoiding reading any of the slash (it's already turning up in my LJ stream)
always read this as LJ you-know-who
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Loving it so far - Cumberbatch great, Freeman really good as well (nicely balanced between easy-to-follow everyman & the more actorly damaged army doctor, which is a nice reading of Watson), there's wit & nous in the modernising, cute nods for the fans around the place (Mycroft losing weight, Rache, plenty more I'm missing), really likes London. Perfect Sunday viewing.
And seconded on the drug-haze misdirect - so glad that it didn't just blunder into the world of EDGY Holmes cliché.
― tetrahedron of space (woof), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 12:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
Another vote for 'would objectify'. LULZ
― duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thought this was going to be a disaster and was blown away - the bar is set so high in the first ep that the second seems really weak by comparison, tho. LOVED the Mycroft scene in the first ep, fooled me completely.
In the original Study in Scarlet 'Rache' actually IS the German word for revenge! So to have Sherlock lecture Lestrade on how pedestrian that guess is is hilarious.
Nice fan site, tons of interviews etc http://www.sherlocking.org/
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
This information is available to anyone who reads a newspaper
If only I could find one I liked.
― there are so few places i can wear my jester costume (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 01:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
I got confused and thought Moriarty was the Rupert Graves-replacing copper from the second episode. And was like, "Why is he talking about his underwear?". Anyway.
Thought this was very entertaining indeed, although mugging Jim Carrey Moriarty was almost a last-minute shark jumping moment. Did they resolve how the four cases were connected, or was it just Moriarty fucking around?
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 13 August 2010 09:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
What a bloody awful thread title.
I didn't mind Moriarty really. The way his character was built up and up and kept mysterious that his eventual reveal was always going to be a bit of a slight let down.
Though you know you're getting old when Holmes and Moriarty start looking young.
― Born too beguiled (DavidM), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
i never made the sherlock holmes / dr who connection before
You're kidding
― Born too beguiled (DavidM), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
I liked his mutable, squirming accent, good take on it I thought.
― Hide the prickforks (GamalielRatsey), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm not!!
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Moriarty reminded me of some weird cross between Paul McCartney and Sam Rockwell.
― ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 13 August 2010 12:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
couldn't make heads or tails of his accent for a while, until it seemed like it settled down on 'irish' of some kind?
― pies. (gbx), Friday, 13 August 2010 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
The actor's from Dublin, so, yeah, 'Irish'.
Moriarty reminded me of some weird cross between Paul McCartney
Ha, he played McCartney in the recent awful Lennon Naked, with former Dr Who Chris Eccleston. It's all connected...
― Born too beguiled (DavidM), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
Huh. Weird.
― ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
LOL, he was quite convincing as Macca in that
― tom d: he did what he had to do now he is dead (Tom D.), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
START YOUR OWN THREAD 'DAVIDM'
― max, Saturday, 14 August 2010 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
This information is available to anyone who reads a newspaper.
I read one, it didn’t have anything about Sherlock in it.
Wished they hadn’t done a Moriarty reveal so early, but liked him having already popped up and pranked Holmes, and v much liked the shifting accent making him harder for Holmes to deduce anything from.
― bitchmaid (sic), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
NPR coverage:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130572175
PBS is airing this on the 24th on "Mystery!".
― Jaw dropping, thong dropping monster (kingfish), Friday, 15 October 2010 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
This is the first thing on PBS "Masterpiece" that I've enjoyed in ages.
― macaroni rascal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
PBS cuts out like 5-10 minutes from each one though, which is pretty lame.
― Loup-Garou G (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 4 November 2010 03:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
i enjoyed this a lot more than i thought i would, considering the granada/jeremy brett series is probably my favorite tv show ever.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 04:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
I feel like these could suffer to lose five minutes! maybe less so the first episode. It'd depend if it was general tightening-up or if it was just whole scenes gone, though.
― thomp, Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Now that this has been on PBS, my mom told me that she has a crush on Benedict Cumberbatch. File that under information I really did not need to know.
― romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 4 November 2010 11:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
watched the first two episodes of this over the weekend. it's pretty fun (and looks cool, lots of interesting camera angles - is this common for bbc series?) but i was groaning when the first episode went into princess bride "battle of wits" territory.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 29 November 2010 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've only watched epsiode 1 (excellent!), consensus on other Holmes thread seems to be 2 is a bit rubbish. Can I skip it and still understand 3?
― A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 02:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Confirming that the 2nd ep is not as good as the 1st. Have not seen the 3rd but it is avail online for free viewing as I understand.
― calstars, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 03:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
3rd is wonderful, you can skip the 2nd; it's not bad but it does feel very conventional tv mystery show.
― balls, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 03:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
concur
― i'm assuming that it's tity boi, host of the mixtape (sic), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 03:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
sic did u get my webmail
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 03:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
All you really need to know from ep 2:
Watson gets a girlfriend
'M', as mentioned in ep 1, is behind the baddies in ep 2 too
― buildings with goats on the roof (James Morrison), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 03:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh and:
Chinesers have alternate numbering system for markets (which I have never seen before and I'm learning the freaken language).
― unintentional boob pic (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 03:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
The guy playing Holmes too much of an obnoxious twerp for my liking. Maybe living up to his name (Benedict Cumberbatch).
― sam500, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 03:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
lmfao Cumberbatch
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 04:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
It means loads of something e.g. 'oh hai I has baked a cumberbatch of doughnuts, would you like a doughnut'
― best autmn alnamac with ten-letter single-word username (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 04:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
TamTam: y but been busy
― i'm assuming that it's tity boi, host of the mixtape (sic), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 07:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Boo, Cliffhanger! 3 not as good as 1. I quite like the portrayal of Moriarty (reminds me of Simm's Master), though his various schemes make bugger all sense.
Wonder how Freeman getting Hobbited up will affect series 2.
― A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
The two episodes I've watched have the best use of London locations I've seen for ages. It feels like they actually take place in the city I live in, unlike a lot of things set here.
Also: the planetarium fight was amazing.
― A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
is nu-moriarty still a professor?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 9 December 2010 00:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
can forgive the nicotine patches but anorexic mycroft is over the line!
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 9 December 2010 00:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Decision to go with 90-minute films such a good idea.
― Cobra Laser-Face (Leee), Monday, 24 January 2011 05:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
In the original Study in Scarlet 'Rache' actually IS the German word for revenge!
I'm pretty sure "rache" is also German for "revenge" in real life too.
― Cobra Laser-Face (Leee), Monday, 24 January 2011 05:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
no, what's meant is that it's the other way round in conan doyle: the cop suggests dude was trying to spell rachel and holmes has a good laugh at him before revealing it's german for revenge.
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 07:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
only got to second ep of this because although b.c. was good, the writing was mostly awful
idk if it's a drama exactly
― if opinions about ofwgkta could fly this place would be the wtc (history mayne), Monday, 23 May 2011 08:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
How was the writing awful?
― StanM, Monday, 23 May 2011 08:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
the mystery in ep two was just bad, boring, not good, pretty much like any brit detective show but with a better-than-usual protag
― if opinions about ofwgkta could fly this place would be the wtc (history mayne), Monday, 23 May 2011 09:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Episode two was the weakest of the three by far.
― England's banh mi army (ledge), Monday, 23 May 2011 09:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
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Oh, I agree - if they had only released the first and third it would have been perfect.
― StanM, Monday, 23 May 2011 09:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
See, I really liked two, I must be the only one - London being interpretable through signs and symbols, the Sax Rohmer nods, erm, some other stuff I liked at the time but now can't remember. It did meander I guess, and was the weakest of the three, but I still really enjoyed it.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 23 May 2011 09:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
It wasn't bad, but it was like an album track that didn't belong on a 3-track EP.
― StanM, Monday, 23 May 2011 09:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
aight i'll watch three then
― if opinions about ofwgkta could fly this place would be the wtc (history mayne), Monday, 23 May 2011 09:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yep, that sounds right.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 23 May 2011 09:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought the third was pretty weak tbh
― thomp, Monday, 23 May 2011 09:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
me too, couldn't get through it
― 百万个叉烧包 (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 23 May 2011 10:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
IMO - 1st showed great potential, 2nd was a let down but watchable and 3rd was a bit rubbish. Ending was poor show. But don't take my opinion - I'm near to completion working my way through 12 series of Poirot box set and loving most of it.
― mmmm, Monday, 23 May 2011 11:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
All three were terrific. I immediately wished that Moffat would do a full series of this rather than Dr Who.
― Hippocratic Oaf (DavidM), Monday, 23 May 2011 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
last episode of the series 2 is gonna be titled Reichenbach Falls.
― remy bean, Monday, 23 May 2011 14:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
bah, that's terribly soon. also shush!
― the man who forsook his wife for fap fap fap (sic), Monday, 23 May 2011 14:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's "the reichenbach fall", so it might not be quite what you think.
― joe, Monday, 23 May 2011 14:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
3 eps too many imho― former moderator, please give generously (DG), Monday, August 9, 2010 5:21 PM (9 months ago)
― former moderator, please give generously (DG), Monday, August 9, 2010 5:21 PM (9 months ago)
bollocks to the baftas, this show was appalling
― Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Worst show EVER.
― StanM, Monday, 23 May 2011 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
u hacked my webcam :(
― Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Cumberbatch
― am0n, Monday, 20 June 2011 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
watchin this now, love it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 23 July 2011 04:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah this is totally great
― I dream of vodka sandwich (jjjusten), Saturday, 23 July 2011 04:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
everybody otm about the second ep tho
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 23 July 2011 04:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
even the ciphering is tedious
loved the open on the attacking guy in the turban tho that subsequently gets dropped
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 23 July 2011 04:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Slight nagging irritation that they insist getting black cabs everywhere despite living directly above a minicab firm. Despite money worries suspect background trust fund.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 23 July 2011 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
for martin freeman fans....
― Dark Noises from the Eurozone (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 14 August 2011 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
OK so the new one for series 2, SPOILERS OMG SPOILERS ahead:
So is Moff like "I'm being clever, details be damned" or is there more to Mycroft saying that he was extra careful examining her corpse despite it being, yanno, not her corpse?
― alpaca althusser (Leee), Monday, 2 January 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
consider the significance of mycroft's next line, directly after saying he was thorough, this time.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 2 January 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol whoops big oversight on my part.
― Leee, Monday, 2 January 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
the scene between sherlock and mycroft in the morgue after identifying her body (the first time) was one of the all-time great holiday TV moments. for me.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 2 January 2012 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Loved this, although thoroughly dismayed at some of my favourite stories (Greek Interpreter, Naval Treaty, Speckled Band) being discarded as in-jokes therefore won't be made.
― 50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Monday, 2 January 2012 20:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not much compensation but they're fleshed out a bit here:
http://www.johnwatsonblog.co.uk/
― Quoth the raven "Nevermind" (ledge), Monday, 2 January 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is a bit better than the fake sherlock one, at least
this was really pretty good, i thought. ever-increasing bait-and-switch-and-switch-and-switch-and-switch. it seems strange to me that there are british television shows where things happen every minute or two, rather than one or two things happening in an episode, at depth.
― thomp, Monday, 2 January 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
so so so so so much fun. sacrificing an evening's essential study was totally worth it.
― Upt0eleven, Monday, 2 January 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
does anybody know where i can watch this online?
― gnome rocognise gnome (remy bean), Monday, 2 January 2012 22:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just webmailed you
― kinder, Monday, 2 January 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Best thing on telly over the whole Christmas period. Absolutely loved it.
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 10:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
otm. wish they hadn't kept referring to her "camera phone" though.
― 1N1ck, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 10:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Really enjoyed this, better than last year's and hilarious throughout. The beheading reveal was lame though.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 12:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Was the beheading reveal bit an actual memory or a Sherlock fantasy moment?
― Daisy Click Clack, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 12:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i even liked that. that kind of setup - we're in That Middle East, there are sinister looking arabic types with swords, possibly muezzin wailing - is a horrible televisual cliché and tends to be telegraphing the idea that dark, serious things are happening; for two seconds i thought they actually were going to go there (which would have been aaaaaaaawful) and then it turns out to be for the sake of a gag, so well done them
xpost i had that thought but if it's a fantasy he's not established as having any other reason to know she was/n't beheaded, so
― thomp, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 12:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
also it sets up that sherlock definitely knows mycroft is enlisting john to lie to him. (that stuff in this episode that sort of shifts into the idea that sherlock's family/friends are in the position of dealing with a mentally ill person is really smart, i think. -- in terms of convincingly modernizing the given material of the original without rewriting it.)
― thomp, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 12:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
also part of why i like this -- the scene where they're waiting in buckingham palace really brought this home -- is that cumberbatch and freeman are sort of playing peter cook and dudley moore, too
― thomp, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 12:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I enjoyed it, but found all the "look at me, I'm writing a blog!/ hey guys just Tweet me @sherlockholmes" stuff to be a bit overdone. I think Cumberbatch is a bit of a ham too. Freeman and Gatiss are both good, though.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 12:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I enjoyed it - but it's definitely made for the attention deficit disorder generation.
― Daisy Click Clack, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I loved this unreservedly.
― bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
i've seen the first 2 minutes of this, which was enough to remind me how little i care for the dude playing moriarty.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, I forgot about him! Which probably speaks to how slight and badly miscast he is.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh noes it's scary Ant from Ant 'n Dec!
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
he might be a good actor in another situation but he was just so obviously at sea, and overcompensating by doing the whackadoo sub-joker loud-quiet madman schtick we've all seen 10 million times
i totally plant to watch, though
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
uh, plan
If it makes you feel any better he is hardly in the episode after those first two minutes.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
yay!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Daisy Click Clack, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:01 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol old man, u old
― thomp, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
I almost literally cannot wait until Sunday when the do Hound of the Baskervilles. I am wishing the days away.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 14:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like Moriarty! I really like his protean capriciousness. Malice born of boredom, a similar boredom to Holmes. Thought this was unreservedly excellent. Oh, and quite clearly Speedy isn't a cab firm as i stupidly said upthread. I meant to wander up the street where they film it to have a look at whether it is definitely an irl cafe. But didn't. I think it is. How tremendously exciting.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
The cafe in Google streetview looks real enough.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Try again: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=gower+street&hl=en&ll=51.526221,-0.136664&spn=0.009105,0.019119&num=100&hnear=Gower+St&gl=uk&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=51.526288,-0.136743&panoid=PxvoCwy-erhpK_1yyUQCpA&cbp=12,254.82,,0,3.79
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
It does indeed. Although that link seemed to take me to the other side of Gower Street. (xpost) ah yes, there it is.
I didn't really mind the beheading bit, or the sort of equivalent scene in the second episode of season one, where SH is fighting with a rather out-of-time desert clad swordsman, although both jarred. But I find the slight touch of the penny dreadful or comic book quite appealing ultimately i think.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
I missed this because I was away for the New Year. Does anyone know if the Beeb going to do a repeat on BBC 3 (or something) sometime this week or do I have to watch it on iPlayer?
― Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
BBC3, Saturday, 7pm.
― oppet, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought this was great. Surprised how much I like Martin Freeman in particular.
― oppet, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think Cumberbatch is a bit of a ham too.
oh noes!
lol at the implication that Gatiss isn't, tho
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
A lot of next week's Hound of the Baskervilles was filmed in and around my friend's pub.
― nate woolls, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 10:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp yeah, fair enough, difficult to play Holmes without being at least a little bit hammy I suppose. For example:
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 11:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
:D aw, that's great
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 12:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Brett's the man for doing the dissipated Holmes, but he is also surprisingly convincing (and funny) as the tough guy.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 12:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I wish Mrs Hudson was my landlady. It would be brilliant.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 12:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Lot of criticism of Moffat for turning Adler into a sexist cliche, which I have to say I agree with; she should be every bit as unemotional as Holmes and thus unlikely to fall for him and be found out that way. Also, she shouldn't need Moriarty as a 'boss' or Holmes as a saviour; she's meant to be ruthlessly self-sufficient. The dominatrix thing I thought was a little cheap but ultimately didn't mind as such.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/03/sherlock-sexist-steven-moffathttp://stavvers.wordpress.com/2012/01/01/irene-adler-how-to-butcher-a-brilliant-woman-character/
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 13:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Guardian piece was cringe inducingly awful, because anyone who thinks that Who is more sexist now than under RTD is more than a little deluded.
― Nicole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean, there are parts of the Irene Adler crit I can agree with but when an article is started on such a boldly false assertion I can't take it seriously.
― Nicole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hated the last minute or two and wished they hadn't been included because they were dumb and pointless but reading into it that Moffatt likes his formerly strong women on their knees begging to be rescued by the big man hero is equally dumb.
Think Moffatt's Sherlock is clearly meant to be hot for Adler without ever admitting it - there's no other reason to go to Pakistan to rescue your adversary (especially when it is a really dumb thing to do). It's not just about male reason beating feminine emotion yet again.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
the original character is a cipher and making pronouncements about how she 'should' be or that conan doyle's gender politics are superior to moffat's is all a bit facepalm, tbh. - & to read the episode as demonstrating sherlock's superiority is to ignore that, you know, he's presented as being basically constitutionally and neurologically incapable of enjoying life, & she isn't
― thomp, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 15:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think Moffatt has a tendency to write himself into corners that he then can't quite convincingly write himself out of and teaming Adler and Moriarty up was his handy way of getting them out of the swimming pool alive *and* introducing Irene.
I need to watch that plane scene again maybe but was it really saying that Adler was acting completely under Moriarty's orders and without any agency or ingenuity of her own? I don't buy that.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 15:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
*SPOILER* The lot of us who watched it tried to parse out Why the information was so valuable to Moriarty, and Why it was only valuable once it had been deciphered, but we couldn't figure it out.
― gord downer (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
WHY it's valuable. Moriarty keeps on being defined in terms of being capriciously disruptive and destructive. his fight against boredom showing itself that way rather than Holmes'. Anti-establishment - see his raspberry at St Stephen's tower. Holmes - Buck House - is ultimately establishment.
Also complete absence of sentiment, in contrast to both Holmes and IA. Mycroft already pointed out despite SH's asseverations to the opposite his very choice of career is sentimental romantic.
WHY it needed to be deciphered. Muddier definitely. Depends on a series of questions - did Moriarty request she get the information? (phone call in pool suggests yes - this means he wasn't just working out how to exploit info already on her phone like she suggests at the end). Was Moriarty aware of a long-term spying operation but not sure of the details? Probably. Hence can only be destroy long-term spying op by knowing what knowledge they have. Like Tinker Tailor in reverse. He only needed to know it was a plane. Hence his text.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also, can I just sat how much I love the direction/scene transitions in this show, especially in this most recent ep
― Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Same director does next week, too; then the last one's by the guy that did Pandorica Opens / Big Bang / Christmas Carol / Astronaut / Moon on Who.
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 5 January 2012 00:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
this was sooo good
still don't think i actually understand the scheme adler had goin
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
OH. That suddenly makes sense, Gamaliel.I think I assumed that Moriarty was in league with the potential terrorists. If he's not, and just looking for "hot info", it comes together.It doesn't explain why Adler would be beheaded as a result, if anything, she would be respected + honoured by the jihadists, granted wishes, etc. Or not. I don't know.It was well directed, I liked it, but I like it best when detective plots fit together like Tetris games
― gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 04:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
- adler has snapshot of an email from MOD guy, but she doesn't know what it means, other than that this guy is boasting that it's important- she calls moriarty to tell him that she has this potentially valuable information ("stayin alive"; did she hack moriarty's ringtone too at some point?)- this is why moriarty spares holmes, because the plan is to use holmes as the code-breaker- but but BUT - how do they know this info is worth anything at all? they don't know what it means! what could have made moriarty react so violently? how could he be so decided that he wants this info?- putting that aside, adler now phones up buckingham palace to tell them she has incriminating photos of the princess. presumably she does this in order to get holmes involved and trick him into breaking the code.- holmes gets involved. so now why does she make it so hard for him to even see the code, much less crack it? she tranqs him just to get her phone back.- why are CIA dudes there? how do they know she's taken a snapshot of this MOD guy's email? adler told the palace about photos, she didn't tell anyone else about anything else.- adler stands to gain $$ from giving moriarty the info, that much we know, cause he says he'll pay her for it- isn't it worth a shot getting, i don't know, ANYBODY but sherlock holmes to have a try cracking the code first? (even setting aside the question of how they know this is valuable info in the first place if they don't know what it is)- what does moriarty stand to gain?
i feel like there's a thread or motivation i missed that will make this make sense
really loved gatiss as mycroft, and really, really loved the oblique, repressed angles of the dialogue in places:
"- Caring is not an advantage, Sherlock.
- Ugh, this is LOW tar!"
- Well, you barely knew her.
* Holmes turns to leave *
- Merry Christmas, Mycroft.
- And a happy New Year."
or
"- So she's alive then. How are we feeling about that?
- Happy New Year, John.
- Will you be seeing her again?
* Holmes plays 'Auld Lang Syne' *"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 January 2012 01:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
i really love this show! even though i still don't quite understand what happened the last episode either.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 6 January 2012 04:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
did her boomerang thoery ever get a response or another mention?
― toandos, Friday, 6 January 2012 05:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
everyone's trolling everyone
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Friday, 6 January 2012 05:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jumped the shark this week?
― Bob Six, Sunday, 8 January 2012 21:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
i liked it
― kid steel (cajunsunday), Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I liked the first half or so.
― Bob Six, Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hated the 'thinking palace' bit. And the rest kind of reminded me of the Vic & Bob Randall & Hopkirk with Dervla Kirwan and Derek Jacobi.
― Sugary pee is not normal (aldo), Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh god, the mental palace stuff was terrible.
Husband worked out what was happening about twenty minutes before Sherlock did. This, for me, is a major flaw in both the new Sherlock incarnations: the puzzles just aren't clever enough.
I really want to like this so much, but the stories just don't match up to the superb character stuff and all the little details.
― trishyb, Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
the best character was the moor. the rest of it was pretty meh.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 9 January 2012 03:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
The solution was way too obvious in this one, from the start. Also I think the guessing passwords thing has been overdone - you'd never get away with a 6-character password with no numbers/punctuation characters in such a high security place! The biggest letdown in this episode was mainly that Sherlock didn't really have to put anything together to come up with the solution, just remember really hard something he already knew.
Enjoyed it enough, though.
― kinder, Monday, 9 January 2012 07:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i liked the mental palace better when it was just holmes blurting out "COVENTRY!!" while sitting around the fire
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 January 2012 08:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
I did like the money puppy shot, but yeah terrible password guessing routine ("he likes thatcher - bingo!") and remembering something do not make for great detection. (And the mental palace is a nice idea but that tecnique is usually used for a specific one-time list of items, not EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE EVER.)
― ledge, Monday, 9 January 2012 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I really, really enjoyed it leading up to the resolution but "we were all drugged and hallucinating" is 1x cop-out. You can't beat a good dogging joke.
― Matt DC, Monday, 9 January 2012 09:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes, this. It's not the technique I have a problem with, it's the way they dramatized it. I also don't really understand why they had to shoot the dog, if they knew it wasn't really going to kill them.
― trishyb, Monday, 9 January 2012 09:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mr evil scientist and maybe policeman and watson were just scared, holmes knew other-guy-whatever-his-name-was would lose his mind otherwise.
― ledge, Monday, 9 January 2012 09:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Like he cares what happens to anyone.
― trishyb, Monday, 9 January 2012 10:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was other-guy-whatever-his-name-was's case! holmes would have lost if he lost his mind.
― ledge, Monday, 9 January 2012 10:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
fwiw i think they overplay the "holmes doesn't care about other people or even know how they think" angle, or at least the second bit, since for successful social engineering, which the orig. holmes was a master at, you have to know what makes people tick.
― ledge, Monday, 9 January 2012 10:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
He knows how people think, he just doesn't care too much.
― get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Monday, 9 January 2012 10:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah but that doesn't really work with all the "too soon?" "too soon" holmes/watson interplay.
― ledge, Monday, 9 January 2012 10:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
the mental palace shit would have been fine if not for the my-brain-is-a-gesture-controlled-computer hand motions.
the passwords thing gave me the rage because it ALWAYS DOES - it especially grates on shows where the password guesser is meant to be a ~genius,~ for some reason, i guess because 'have a password that contains letters and numbers and is not one word' is so utterly basic and flashes up every time you have to pick a password, and yet you are supposed to believe that both An Investigating Genius and his target have never ever heard of it. it is just so lazy! i will believe in a magical usb-attaching black box that cycles through different poss passwords at an impossible rate before i will believe in a universe in which everyone's passwords are the lower-case un-leeted names of their favourite thing.
also, russell tovey seemed impossibly typecast.
― vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 10:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Still finding it very entertaining, but yes, this week the fun was mostly character stuff and incidentals, not really plot.
Biggest disappointment – Prob not alone here in loving and wanting to see the uncanny England pagan moor countryside aesthetic, which goes very well with creepy science horror. Gatiss clearly going for that, but it didn't work for me - I was just seeing the signifiers, never unsettled.
the memory palace cringe-making. sluggish free association while voguing does not fill me with awe at genius. (It's a palace full of strange things! Show us the palace!)
― you don't exist in the database (woof), Monday, 9 January 2012 11:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
the middle episode last year also tried to stretch things into a different set of genre conventions w/ iffy results
still haven't seen this but so far i only like moffat's episodes so enh
was there a trailer for next week's? i note it is titled 'the reichenbach fall'
― thomp, Monday, 9 January 2012 11:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
i was positive that during the password-guessing scene, as holmes is rapid-fire scanning the bookshelves, everything at eye level, etc, that he was going to run across a scrap of paper taped to the monitor labelled "password" - i mean, no way were they actually going to have him GUESS the guy's password, right?? even matthew broderick in wargames has to think to append a "5" to the name he figures out
which makes two otherwise pretty rip-roaringly entertaining episodes in a row where the baddies only get nailed because holmes gets extremely lucky at password guessing
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
even 'maggie79' would have been less ridiculous
but yeah, a few older people i've worked with have kept a notebook of passwords, why couldn't they have had that book hidden in a place that required ~deduction~ to find?
tho rly don't people working in high-security roles tend to have those private-key number-generator fob whatnots nowadays? like people who work for financial companies do?
― vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have three and i'm just yr average mediocre nerd
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
(two for work and one for my online banking)
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
actually when i first started my current job one crucial password wad actually taped to the bottom of one guy's keyboard
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
'multi-factor authentication', is apparently what it's called?
so ANYWAY it would have been totally possible to say "he is an old-school martinet who hates all this newfangled bobbins and therefore leaves his multi-factor authentication widget hidden behind his framed photo of margaret thatcher" - you get the tory stuff, you get the ~characterisation~, you don't sacrifice believability to expediency.
― vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean, srsly, was it not a cia database they were ~hacking into~ there
― vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know the CIA aren't as technologically adept as KPMG or whoever but surely they'd have got into security tokens by now.
― vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
or biometric auth, that's getting pretty common (we have it at work)
― stet, Monday, 9 January 2012 14:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
"based on what you've told me about his personality i surmise his genetic profile would lead to his iris looking like this" [does quick biro sketch, holds it up in front of webcam]
― ledge, Monday, 9 January 2012 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sherlock has just cracked your ILM pw
― gord downer (Ówen P.), Monday, 9 January 2012 19:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
seconding password-guessing as a shorthand for genius is some tired-as-hell TV writing.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Enjoyed it, but nowhere near as much as the Moffat eps. Better than the non-Moffatt from last year, though.
Really, the problem is that Gatiss is an enjoyable but not great actor and writer. Most of his Doctor Who episodes are pretty half-baked, with some great lines in them.
― Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like him as Mycroft but his writing is just blargh.
― Nicole, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Last week was a bit iffy, but this was terrific. Bit drained after that.
― sktsh, Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Kinda loved it as it was going along. Bit audacious/cheeky/lazy (delete as applicable to not explain the ending.
― pandemic, Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I assume it was something to do with Molly.
― pandemic, Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
didn't really understand what was going on on the roof. all that "i am you!" "you are me!" BANG!
― ledge, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe we're not meant to understand. maybe it was all part of sherlock's genius plan that he had figured out from the beginning to a) get moriarty to kill himself and ii) appear to die, and it won't become clear till the next part. if that ever happens.
― ledge, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
xps, presumably Molly did the autopsy.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was gripping though i am fearful the explanation will be unsatisfactory.
(presumably john being pushed over was important, too)
― djh, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
https://twitter.com/#!/steven_moffat/statuses/158680970130751488
― cozen, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not sure how my enjoyment of this is affected by the realization that Cumberbatch is playing Sherlock as if he was playing Jeremy Clarkson.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 16 January 2012 06:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Watson didn't see Sherlock jump, he saw the body fall. Sherlock asked Molly for a favour - he threw Moriarty's body over the edge and she falsified the post-mortem.
― Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pfeh, the lolling at Sherlock for thinking that technology worked that way didn't erase me shouting "technology doesn't work that way!" at the screen for the previous hour. Or explain the haunting of the jury's video screens, or how he convinced the assassins to kill each other over Sherlock.
I'd have been happier if they'd ended when Sherlock was halfway down, similar to the end of the first series. Every minute past that where people are going "I can't believe he's DEAD" makes it clearer that he isn't.
Also since the explanation will safe to say be based on Molly, there's no punch to the flared-nostril two-sides-of-the-same-coin bollocks on the rooftop, if Sherlock is being pushed towards an outcome that he's already prepared for.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp There's definitely an identifying shot of Sherlock's bloodied and dented face at the bottom though, right?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
swapped him in while john was lying on the tarmac - although the other passers-by would still be a problem. i thought john did see him jump though, he just didn't see him land.
― ledge, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also I was so relieved that the key code thing turned out to be bollocks.
― Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
The stupidity of the policewoman annoyed me. Super genius criminal mastermind Sherlock kidnapped the kids, didn't cover his face, and then demanded he be the one to interview said kids.
― pandemic, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also did Moriaty's trial really take place 6 weeks after the offense? Cameron certainly moving the criminal justice system on apace.
― pandemic, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbf the original story hasn't got a much more satisfactory ending. "No, Watson I didn't fall to my death, I remembered I was an expert in Baritsu ("You're making that up now, Holmes..."), and then made it look like I fell and then had various adventures..."
― Ned Trifle X, Monday, 16 January 2012 11:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
...three years later for reasons that will become clear just as soon as I've settled the advance from the publisher, here I am!
― Ned Trifle X, Monday, 16 January 2012 11:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Every minute past that where people are going "I can't believe he's DEAD" makes it clearer that he isn't.
Also the fact that he just isn't. I will be interested to see what explanation, if any, is offered for the old switcheroo, but on the whole the key difference for me between this week's hokum and last week's hokum was that this week's skipped along nice and quickly so I kind of didn't notice the hokum so much. More from this writer, please. Less from Mark Gatiss.
― trishyb, Monday, 16 January 2012 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes, this was a gazillion times better than last week. Though was Watson given the drug from last week, meaning that he was expecting to see Dead Sherlock (Sherlock had instructed him where to stand during his fall)? Why wasn't Moriarty's death also seen to be covered by the press? I assume Molly was involved.
― ailsa, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Which people have already said.
Why all the mindgames and shit from Moriarty on the roof when he had a gun in his pocket? And Richard Brook = Reichenbach so a hint there too?
― ailsa, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
Though was Watson given the drug from last week, meaning that he was expecting to see Dead Sherlock (Sherlock had instructed him where to stand during his fall)?
That's some good thinking. (They did make the Richard Brook/Reichenbach link.)
― trishyb, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hadn't Watson been hit over the head not long before or did I imagine that?
Didn't see any coverage of Moriarty afterwards, it was all Sherlock, hence the assumption it was Moriarty's body that went over the side.
― Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Watson had been hit by a cyclist on his way over to see the post-fall Sherlock and had bumped his head. I don't know they could legislate for that resulting in a head trauma, so assuming cyclist was either buying time for Sherlock to get into position, or hitting John with Baskerville drug, or both. I don't think I'm making too huge a leap in assuming it wasn't coincidental.
― ailsa, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
No, as soon as it happened I assumed it was deliberate. Maybe the cyclist sprayed him/injected him when he bumped him?
― trishyb, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Stupid policewoman is really being typecast. She's the same character in the *Controversy alert* superior Luther. She also played the same uncertain busybody in Waterloo Road.
― danzig, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
...she's not in Luther.
― Melissa W, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
oops sorry, my mistake
― danzig, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
More from this writer, please. Less from Mark Gatiss.
Uh, the writer for this episode was responsible for the borderline-racist second episode from last "series."
― lEEE (Leee), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I only caught a small part of that second episode from last season, so maybe I missed what made it "borderline racist". What did I miss? Or is it borderline racist to infer that there is some sort of Chinese underground criminal network? No snark intended, genuinely curious because I didn't see the entire episode.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 16 January 2012 23:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well it's basically all the Orientalist bollocks it featured. Also, it was just a terrible episode generally, before you get to the offensive stuff.
― lEEE (Leee), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
To be less glib, it treats Chinese culture as an exotic curiosity to be deciphered, which is tiresome/cliche and condescending, imho.
― lEEE (Leee), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, really enjoyed this, was amazed to see it wasn't Moffatt but the boring writer from last year
― Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Okay I get where you are coming from Leee, I just hadn't noticed anything too blatant in the bit I saw but that was before the circus and the code thing (reading the episode summary now). I genuinely enjoyed the other two from the first series and I'm excited for the new ones to pop up over here.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 16 January 2012 23:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, that's not to say that I didn't like the other two episodes, or two of the episodes from this season, including the one which is written by the Chinese circus guy. Basically, the second episode in each season is terrible, so far.
― lEEE (Leee), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Fuck's sake, can't anyone be consistent? That episode was rubbish, you're right. I didn't realise it was the same person. I rescind my earlier enthusiasm.
― trishyb, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lEEE (Leee), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 01:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
also yeah Watson did see him jump.
also terrible writer of racist episode last year wrote Curse Of The Black Spot in Who this year. either he's gotten better fast or Moffatt heavily edited this one (which it did feel like) (also also good director on this one, as I think I excitedly anticipated counteracting the writing upthread)
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
He saw him jump, but iirc he didn't see him land?
― ailsa, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Curse of the Black Spot did start with one great joke and then descend into bollocks, mind.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 11:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
also terrible writer of racist episode last year wrote Curse Of The Black Spot in Who this year. either he's gotten better fast or Moffatt heavily edited this one (which it did feel like)
This felt like a Moffat-written episode, so I have a feeling heavy editing was a major factor.
The Curse of the Black Spot and his last Sherlock episode were both so poor I don't feel like the same person could have written the dialogue in this.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also, I don't think the policewoman is stupid so much as blinded by her hatred of Sherlock. I think when you already despise someone, you are much more likely to jump to conclusions that cast a poor light on that person.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Particularly when they despise you, and completely busted you sleeping with a co-worker in ten seconds.
I'm not against that kind of character of course, but a) isn't this generally Lestrade's job? and b) giving it to one of the few females and the only recurring non-white character is a particular sort of tone-deafness that I'm starting to think of as 'Moffattish'.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 14:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Perhaps we should write Moffatt a guide as to how women should be expected to behave in every single thing he ever writes just to be on the safe side.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 15:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm sure Melissa will volunteer.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 15:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't know if this has been posted before (and i don't agree with everything in it), but i appreciated this rundown of the treatment of s1 female characters in general, and this take on nu-irene adler.
― fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
AKA yeah, i'd support someone writing moffat an explanatory pamphlet on portrayals of women in the media or something
― fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was being sarcastic.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know! and i wasn't!
― fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
Please don't let this thread turn into tiger beatdown wordvomit.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
sadly i'm not caught up on the new season, so i can't offer to take on all comers in a frothing feminist bout. next month maybe!
― fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't read any of the "Sherlock being rude to Molly about her weight" or "Sherlock walking away from Mrs Hudson mid-sentence" stuff as being sexist or dismissive on behalf of the writers (or played for laughs at the women's expense); I read it as the character of Sherlock being (as in the stories) a massive emotionally immature wanker who is absolutely useless at engaging with anyone except on very precise and unemotional grounds.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Any laughs from those moments (from me) are purely about how useless Sherlock is.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tea pot sales up.
― Ned Trifle X, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
i've only seen the first 30 minutes or so of this and while i still find moriarty annoying, he is much, much better in this than in S1 - like, he actually calms down a bit and says his lines as if he means them occasionally
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
That fucking teapot! Oh god, it annoyed me so much. They were obviously SO PROUD of it.
― trishyb, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oooh, look at what we sourced, aren't we clever? FUCK OFF.
I am you
― gord downer (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ugh, just craven and gross.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
This was pretty much Doctor Who vs The Joker!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Guys it was obvious that Molly grew a Sherlock clone in her lab. Sherlock engineered the fake phone call to Watson because the clone was about to wake up.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Bit humiliating for Molly not to get her own assassin, eh
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
She was treated so rudely and dismissively by Sherlock that Moriarty figured she was not worth the trouble. I personally would have said "Oh well, sorry, can't help!" if Sherlock had asked me for help after behaving like such a complete twatwaffle.
― Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, funny chaps, johnny hormones.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Moffat:
"There is a clue everybody's missed," he says tantalisingly. "So many people theorising about Sherlock's death online – and they missed it! We've worked out how Sherlock survives, and actually shot part of what really happened. It all makes sense."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/jan/20/steven-moffat-sherlock-doctor-who
― kinder, Friday, 20 January 2012 20:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am getting tired of Moffat's "I'm so much more clever than everyone!" interviews. Dude, we all saw the Season Six finale, let's be real here.
― Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Friday, 20 January 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
Someone somewhere posted that the head honcho at the Baskerville place had mentioned something about cloning when talking about the weird goings-on there. I will physically break stuff if that's involved in any way.
Though obv I am awe of how Moffat has read the entire internet.
― ailsa, Friday, 20 January 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sherlock had a dummy in the flat in this episode - I assumed it was something to do with that but seems unlikely actually.
― kinder, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
thought that was there to paint a fish scarlet
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Saturday, 21 January 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
apparently some of the chinese internet has spent a lot of time talking about how you can use a stressball in your armpit to temporarily cut off the pulse at your wrist, and dude was playing with a stressball for lots of the episode? idk i can't really be arsed to watch the show again to see if this is plausible,
― c sharp major, Saturday, 21 January 2012 09:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've read that a few places too. Was a squash ball iirc.
― ailsa, Saturday, 21 January 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 February 2012 15:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
so i finally caught up w/this and liked it a lot! i don't think the plots withstand too much scrutiny, but that's okay. also the baskerville ep was kind of lame.
a question for britishes: what were the less-bbc accents of ms adler and d.i. lestrade supposed to convey?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 11 February 2012 22:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Haha what? Lara Pulver is totally BBC, surely. I don't think anything was meant to be conveyed by accents - there are a *lot* of varying ones in the UK!
― kinder, Saturday, 11 February 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
as someone who hasn't read the books i really liked the show! i wish that britishes knew how to make real seasons, though. 3-4 episodes do not a season make.
― tehresa, Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
though they are long episodes at least!
i wish i hadn't burned through all of them in, like, 3 days a few weeks ago... because this is the kind of thing i feel like watching right now, ohwell
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
exactly!
― tehresa, Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess there's a bunch of dr. who, but i'm not sure if i'm ready
― mookieproof, Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
get ready!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
I tried watching the doctor who pilot in netflix bc of sherlock connection and I was not feeling :(
― tehresa, Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
it gets better. but is perhaps an acquired taste. I mean, one has to keep in mind that it's a family show, after all.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
And Sherlock is no family show...
― mookieproof, Sunday, 12 February 2012 05:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
uh it has changed style more than a few times since 1963! you would be much better starting off with either Blink (a Moffatt one-off from the RTD run) or The Eleventh Hour (the first episode of Moffatt's run as head writer/producer).
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 05:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think she means the pilot of the revived series. Anyway, I think it starts getting good with "Father's Day," which is the third episode of season 1. Stay with it, teh! #itgetsbetter
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
ah, they didn't do a pilot for the revival, though*! for anyone coming to it because of Moffatt, though, I would strongly advise against sitting through four years of RTD, much of which is actively awful. You can absolutely start watching with The Eleventh Hour, and if you get into it, go back and fill in gaps later. But a Sherlock fan should enjoy Blink generally.
*the first episode didn't even get finished in its production run, and had to have scenes picked up by other directors later in other blocks
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok so if i dl'd the eccleston season is that a good place to start or not
― mookieproof, Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait, five years of RTD! stupid specials.
also, Father's Day is painfully dumb
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
mookie - if you don't enjoy Eccleston, follow my suggestions above (or migrate to a Who thread where I will give detailed ones). there's a v good Moffatt two-parter in the Eccleston year though, so at least skip to that before abandoning.
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
the end of the Ecclestone year is p much not worth watching anyway though. (actually this applies to the end of ALL RTD years, only moreso)
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am fine with eccleston, i guess, since i know nothing else? in any case, i don't understand your banter, as it were
RTD?
― mookieproof, Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
RTD = Russell T. Davies, the first show-runner. And hell, I liked his seasons!
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
AND I liked the season finales as well! I'm terrible. And I'm not terribly bothered about RTD's tendency for deus ex machina.
And I assumed that teh meant the first episode when she referred to the "pilot."
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
who did you buy a fez for, though
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm sure you're right in context - pilots /= first episodes tho, and they DID make a pilot in 1963!
{aside - I haven't seen the pilot since '92, but rewatched the re-mounted first ep two months ago, and it's rly great.)
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 07:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
It was a gift for myself!
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 12 February 2012 07:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Accents. Lestrade: Uncomplicated 'bloke', via non-posh fairly standard estuary english implying highish middle-brow education (good state school education, second-tier university).
Adler: Kensington arriviste (ie BBC-ish, but with a hint of the vulgar - slightly broader vowels/drawl iirc?). Proper Kensington/Chelsea people say things like 'nay jakes' (heard on the tube the other day).
― Fizzles, Sunday, 12 February 2012 08:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
actually cut the 'BBC-ish' thing, that's become more complicated in the last couple of decades, and can't be equated with any equally dubious concept of 'RP'. Guess I meant high middle class. People go on about the English class system; it certainly persists and is horrid, but I love it. English of all stripes are basically massive snobs.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 12 February 2012 08:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorry. i said pilot because i thought it was a new show based on the old one? anyway it's whatever netflix has as episode one, with secret diary of a call girl girl and mannequins trying to take over the world. does this mean i actually have to research who directed/wrote/produced each episode to determine what's worth watching? and will i miss anything in the overall story doing this?
― tehresa, Sunday, 12 February 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's the first episode of the reboot, which is more a continuation of the show rather than a new version.
I wouldn't bother with the research, just watch through consecutively from there. You'll soon figure out who the good/bad writers are.
― ailsa, Sunday, 12 February 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
ailsa otm, just watch the whole durn thing!!! Each season is only 13 episodes, so it won't take that long, so the time invested even in the dud episodes won't be that much (and imo the number of genuinely dire episodes is actually very low, contra sic, the bulk are mediocre but the British conception of sci-fi was pretty fresh to me when I watched). And yes, the seasons do generally develop towards a long arc, so you should watch most of them in order (INCLUDING the Christmas specials, if you're a continuity Nazi communist).
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeek, post could've used some proofreadin'.
Note I am not getting involved.
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Every series is hugely patchy but the good bits make it worth persevering. If you get through the Ecclestone series and don't like any of it (especially Dalek, The Empty Child/Doctor Dances and Father's Day) then it probably isn't going to be for you.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, i'm not sure i'd recommend jumping in on something like 'Blink', i think it'd be like starting watching Buffy with 'Hush' or 'The Body'? but starting at 'eleventh hour' might work, as that's quite an introductory episode.
― marcus junius ubiquitus (c sharp major), Sunday, 12 February 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Blink is a) totally standalone, b) by Moffatt and c) a MYSTERY!!! hence recommended for someone coming to Dr Who blind because "the sherlock 'bloke'" does it
otherwise yes Eleventh Hour is totally introductory and...
Each season is only 13 episodes, so it won't take that long,
...with the Christmas specials and the final year of Tennant, this is telling someone who hasn't liked her first RTD episode "oh it's only another FORTY-SEVEN HOURS of that to sit through to get to the Steven Moffatt run!"
TEHRESA!: The Moffatt episodes in the first five years areS01e09 and S01e10 - a two-parter of The Empty Child / The Doctor DancesS02e04 - The Girl In The FireplaceS03e10 - Blinkand S04e09 / S04e10 - a two-parter that's his weakest, but the only one that actually sets up stuff in his run proper. Silence In The Library / Forest Of The Dead.
Then there's a year without a series number, and Moffat has been in charge through S05 and S06. S05e01 is The Eleventh Hour.
You will ABSOLUTELY NOT miss anything by only watching his episodes* - if you find you enjoy a certain Doctor/companion combination, you can go back and fill-in later. I have tested this method on ladyn00bs before (with 3 optional non-Moffatt eps thrown in, including the one you've watched) and it has been totally effective.
*the Doctor is an alien with a blue box that travels in time and space, and his face changes periodically. OK, you're set.
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 13 February 2012 00:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is telling someone who hasn't liked her first RTD episode "oh it's only another FORTY-SEVEN HOURS of that to sit through to get to the Steven Moffatt run!"
Wait, NOBODY liked "Rose" all that much! This is cutting the nose to spite the face for real, especially when there's great non-Moff episodes like "School Reunion," "Human Nature"/"Family of Blood," "Midnight," and "The Shakespeare Code." (I should note that I've found Moff's run to be incredibly disappointing, what with its phallocentrism and such.)
― omar leeettle (Leee), Monday, 13 February 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
The sixth season was disappointing, but the fifth season to me was perfect and everything I ever wanted from this show. Well, except for the Silurians.
― Nicole, Monday, 13 February 2012 03:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
teensy lol that "hey, mark gatiss wrote some doctor who episodes too!" has not come up as a selling point thus far.
― ban opinions (reddening), Monday, 13 February 2012 03:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
IT NEVER WILL.
Just thinking about The Idiot's Lantern annoys me.
― Nicole, Monday, 13 February 2012 03:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I read one of Gatiss' Who novels that was quite good. And one of his audios that was trying hard but non-entirely-awful. All his TV eps until Night Terrors have about five minutes of great business and otherwise suck terribly though. Night Terrors is PERFECTLY DECENT Dr Who, there I said it
Wait, NOBODY liked "Rose" all that much!
Almost everything shitty about Rose is Boak stuff they couldn't reshoot, it's Davies' best-written episode IMO - does an amazing job of setting up the premise and characters for new and old viewers alike, establishing the tone of the series, grounding it in present-day reality and very steadily opening up the alien and adventure aspects. It LOOKS absolutely awful (especially in hindsight), but in 45 minutes singlehandedly invented a working paradigm for a massively successful family-friendly C21st version of Dr Who. I p much hold RTD on estimation with JNT as a showrunner, but the dude is a TV genius for the way he envisioned and enacted nu-Who, and most of that is encapsulated in Rose.
This is cutting the nose to spite the face for real, especially when there's great non-Moff episodes like "School Reunion,"
<3 the hell out of School Reunion, but it's of 0 use to Tehresa trying to get into the sherlock "bloke"'s other series.
"Human Nature"/"Family of Blood,"
OK-ish adaptation for most of the time, but soooo much lesser than the novel, which is still free on archive.org. and the ending is so infuriating that I'd write the entire two-parter off even if it was original. iirc me and st3v3m argued abt that on the Who thread of the year tho.
"Midnight,"
RTD purposefully trying to write a Moffatt-style episode, but let down by his own complete disinterest in plotting that makes sense.
and "The Shakespeare Code."
dude c'mon
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 13 February 2012 07:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Rose, Spearhead and Eleventh: the only good "new Doctor" episodes ever.
Night Terrors is no shoddier than Hounds Of Baskerville
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― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 13 February 2012 07:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
No place in that list for Robot? Really?
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Monday, 13 February 2012 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
<I>OK-ish adaptation for most of the time, but soooo much lesser than the novel, which is still free on archive.org. and the ending is so infuriating that I'd write the entire two-parter off even if it was original. iirc me and st3v3m argued abt that on the Who thread of the year tho.</I>
This is some pretty severe challops dude, it's one of the three or four best Tennant episodes, admittedly partly because of the lack of Tennant-as-Doctor, also a feature in Blink and Love & Monsters (and I'm well aware that my love for the latter is challops).
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 10:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
(But agree entirely about Rose - the episode's job was to get old fans and new fans simultaneously giddy, and it did a great job)
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 10:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was kind of wondering, was the point of the ending "The Reichenbach Fall" to get the viewers to apply the "Sherlock method" on the episode itself? I.e., did the makers deliberately include all the bits of information you need to decipher how Sherlock survived in the episode, and then refuse to explain it, so you'd rewatch it and try to find all the clues yourself? Because there certainly were a lot of potential clues: the ball Sherlock was toying with, Sherlock's final meeting with Molly, the biker who ran down Watson, etc. I can't see any other season why they'd end the final episode of the season with such an infuriatingly open note. (Ok, the first season ended with a cliffhanger too, but at least the mystery was solved before that.) Has the writer/director/producer addressed this after the episode ran in Britain?
― Tuomas, Monday, 13 February 2012 11:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
He said that "everyone" had missed a crucial piece of evidence that explains how Sherlock did it, so yes, it does seem a little like they were imagining viewers could piece together the puzzle.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
He still says "everyone" has missed something in The Eleventh Hour that explains everything too, so Posts Very Much In Character.
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Robot is 40% good I guess? Lots of it is rly rly shaky and it doesn't have anything like the confidence of presentation that the other three do. (It's possible that ep 1 of Robot is 90+% great, I can't think what's in episode by episode. The CSO in ep 4 is bad enough to mark the entire story down though!)
I've never rewatched Love & Monsters but I think I really really like it too - it's an entirely elegant way of using the show to tell a story that's simultaneously about fandom and communities in general, and in many subtle ways about Who itself. Also a VERY elegantly-conceived and handled way of handling a 'holiday' episode for the stars!* Would have been way better without the Blue Peter villain, but that said, lol Ian Levine.
we should probably migrate to a Who thread rather than dig into Human Nature (/ any of the last couple dozen posts) here, but I note you're not counter-arguing that it's BETTER than the novel!
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
*I recently watched both The Aztecs and The Time Meddler for the first time in full, and these do great jobs of being busy and interesting enough that you don't miss the holidaying actors tbf
The only thing I know Moffatt's said about clues in The Eleventh Hour is that Rory's badge was a production error, so anyone looking for more is on a hiding to nothing
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Moff has referred to the extra stairs as well, for example, and gone 'aaaaaah'. (No, not aaaaah. This is not an aaaaaah situation.)
I still like Ian L, but I suspect if I rewatched it I would not be as vituperative about how much of an attack it was on him. Still, paving slab blow job jokes DO NOT WANT.
The CSO and Action Man tank let Robot down, but the first ep interaction with Harry and AGLS is joyous. And I love the whole plot about the elderly scientist being taken in by the Not Nazis Honest Guv and their anti-human meeting in a school sports hall. (Agree though, this should probably be in a Who thread).
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Still, paving slab blow job jokes DO NOT WANT.
I 100% agree with this, mainly because you can't use "it's a kids' show, stop moaning about it being for kids" as a defence if you're then including things that are not suitable for a kids' show. Also, blow job jokes in Doctor Who are just tacky.
― trishyb, Monday, 13 February 2012 13:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
OK. I think I decided this isn't actually very good. Maybe if I was 10 I would like it.
― De La Soil (admrl), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Seriously, does it get better? I only seen the first two. There's nothing too wrong with them, it's just a bit bland?
― rrrobyn van pursuit (admrl), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 23:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think i like it because it makes me feel a bit like a kid, yet still an adult, obv - suspension of disbelief stuff. though the show doesn't always work to that effect, it's true. (lol @ yr display name)
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Adam, the second episode is probably the worst in the series, you should at least watch the third one, it's much better. But if the main concept (aspie guy solves outlandish crimes with the power of deduction) doesn't grab you, that isn't gonna change, though the second series at least has more interpersonal drama.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
Amazon in the UK currently has the first series on region-free blu-ray for £6. I'm guessing there's not much in the way of frills on there.
― trishyb, Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
bbc dvd/blu-rays are normally pretty extra-laden (cf their doctor who discs), i know these discs have commentary tracks, at the v least
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 16 February 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
old-school Dr Who extras are largely compiled by a dedicated nerd network though, not through endemic BBC policy AFAIU. (no idea about the new series ones though)
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
or you know, we could google
The extras on the DVD are a little thin on the ground. There are commentaries for A Study In Pink and The Great Game, along with a short ‘behind the scenes' feature, Unlocking Sherlock, and the original 60 minute pilot. To be honest, there's little point in watching the pilot, as it's a 60 minute version of A Study In Pink, but it's nice to know that it's there.
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
I could go and open the one that arrived from Amazon today, but I'm too lazy.
― trishyb, Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not to drag out the Who thing, but I just wanted to point out that as awesome a sci-fi story as it is, and arguably as good a Who episode as it is, "Blink" doesn't really introduce viewers to the Doctor?
― omar leeettle (Leee), Friday, 17 February 2012 06:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
It just takes us back to a time when Carey Mulligan wasn't a bland nonentity like she was in Drive.
― Nicole, Friday, 17 February 2012 11:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
:(
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 February 2012 12:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp - actually I think it does! It's an intro to the Doctor from the point of view of a bright civilian, we learn what she learns, it's a little brisk but doesn't I think skip past anything you need to know, and by the end you have a decent wordcloud of him - alien, energetic, travels through time, frequently sorry.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
An alternative entrypoint could be the Girl in the Fireplace, which has equally beguiling time travel tricks up its sleeve but features a lot more of the Doctor.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 February 2012 12:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
A little of that Doctor goes a long way :)
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Isn't there a separate thread for Doctor Who?
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sorry if that sounded harsh, but it's sad to notice new posts in this thread, but when I click on it none of them are about Sherlock.
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
We have nothing to say until Smilin' Steve Moffatt deigns to drop the revelation bomb on us.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tuomas we are talkin about which Dr Who eps a Sherlock fan might like. So it is sort of connected. Sorry you're bummed out tho.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 February 2012 13:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://circletheglo.be/post/19574276992/redscharlach-otters-who-look-like-benedict
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 00:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
I watched Hound of the Baskervilles on the plane recently, and actually enjoyed it despite some of the cheesy bits. Cumberbatch is quite a good Sherlock! Think I will investigate more of them.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's the weakest of all of the episodes --which is not to say I didn't enjoy it -- so I think you'd better.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Second weakest. Skip S01e02 altogether Veg.
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 01:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
you're not the boss of me
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 01:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://youtu.be/yrDVSxNycKc
Trailer thingy for CBS' own Sherlock Holmes series, Elementary. Looks like a rather generic police procedural with a 'quirky' lead character - a la Monk - to me.
If I want a Yank Sherlock I'll watch House, I think.
― DavidM, Friday, 18 May 2012 09:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
― dethklok piccalo (c sharp major), Friday, 18 May 2012 11:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
What is it with America casting short arse Sherlocks. Johnny Lee Miller isn't Robert Downy short but he's hardly tall and striking. (one of the reasons that Cumberbatch makes a good Sherlock)
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 18 May 2012 11:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
what is it with american television and british film actors of the 90s
― thomp, Friday, 18 May 2012 11:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
i keep walking past an HMV window with big boardwalk empire and mildred pierce displays with winslet and mcdonald and thinking, just, huh
― thomp, Friday, 18 May 2012 11:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Johnny Lee Miller isn't Robert Downy short but he's hardly tall and striking. (one of the reasons that Cumberbatch makes a good Sherlock)
I really don't think Cumberbatch is all that much taller than Miller, it's probably due to the costume choices. Miller is dressed like an overgrown teenager.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 18 May 2012 12:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
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ya
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 16 August 2012 22:07 (9 months ago) Permalink