(the old thread was getting too big)
So January 26, 2010 is the big media event for the iSlate/iTablet/iWhatever. Rumors and lusting go here.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 1 January 2010 21:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
FWIW, Gruber has a decent analysis of the tablet here: http://daringfireball.net/2009/12/the_tablet
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 1 January 2010 21:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
More commentary...
Desktops can use fast, cheap, power-hungry, high-capacity hardware and present your applications on giant screens. They can have lots of ports, accept lots of peripherals, and perform any possible computing role. Their interface is a keyboard and mouse, a desk, and a chair. They’re always internet-connected, they’re always plugged in, they always have their printers and scanners and other peripherals connected, and their in-use ergonomics can be excellent. But you can only use desktops when you’re at those desks.iPhones use slow, low-capacity, ultra-low-power hardware on a tiny screen with almost no ports and very few compatible peripherals. They can do only a small (albeit useful) subset of general computing roles. They are poorly suited to text input of significant length, such as writing documents or composing nontrivial emails, or tasks requiring a mix of frequent, precise navigation and typing, such as editing a spreadsheet or writing code. But they’re always in your pocket, ready to be whipped out at any time for quick use, even if you’re standing, walking, riding in a vehicle, eating, or waiting on a line at the bank. You can carry one with you in nearly any circumstances without noticing its size or weight.Laptops are a strange, inefficient tradeoff between an iPhone’s portability and a desktop’s capabilities. They don’t satisfy either need extremely well, but they’re much closer to desktops than they are to iPhones. The usefulness and portability gap between a laptop and an iPhone is staggeringly vast (1:00). You don’t have them with you most of the time, they’re big and heavy (even the MacBook Air weighs 10 times as much and consumes about 10 times as much space as an iPhone 3GS), and they can only be practically used while sitting down (or standing at a tall ledge). Ergonomics are awful unless you effectively turn them into desktops with stands and external peripherals. But they can do nearly any computing task that desktops can do, and they’re able to replace desktops for many people.Many devices (real, vapor, and theoretical) have tried to fill that vast portability gap between laptops and iPhones (even back when they were called PDAs and they didn’t have voice or wireless data capabilities and nobody bought them except rich people and geeks like me). Historically, this has never succeeded in a way that’s even close to mass-market penetration, including impressively forgettable eras as the “palmtop” computer and the Tablet PC.Slate-type devices, like the thank-God-it-was-canned Smart Display and the it-might-be-released-now-but-who-cares JooJoo, have the limitations of keyboard-less design that make long text entry or complex editing impractical. But their screens are too large to comfortably use for frequent touch input. And they’re too big to fit in a pocket.Tiny-keyboarded devices, like the thank-God-it-was-also-canned Palm Foleo and nearly every netbook, haven’t proven to be useful to most people because they’re simply smaller laptops, replicating nearly every laptop flaw while forcing compromises on laptop functionality. The keyboards are too small to be anywhere near as useful as a desktop’s or laptop’s, and the devices are far too large to be pocketed.(I have no idea what the Microsoft Surface is for.)The text-input mechanism seems to be the big hurdle required to bridge this portability-and-usefulness gap. So far, nobody has nailed it.I don’t know what Apple has in mind for the Tablet, but they nailed it with the iPhone: after decades of clunky, awkward, mediocre pocket computers, I think it’s safe to say that the large touchscreen is the best input mechanism for them.But the decision isn’t nearly as clear for a slate-type device with a 7-10” screen, which most people assume to be the Tablet’s form factor. There doesn’t seem to be a good solution. No device in this category has ever even been close to good. This — and Jobs’ toilet comment, as mentioned in John’s article — is what kept me doubting the Tablet’s existence for so long. But even the most conservative intelligence-gathering indicates that the Tablet project is extremely likely to be not only real, but close to release. (Although the late-January event seems a bit soon and could plausibly be for other products, like iLife.)I see two possible outcomes: either Apple has come up with a radical new input method for this form-factor that will overcome the fundamental problems that made every other similar device suck, or the Tablet isn’t this form-factor.(Sure, there’s a third possibility: that Apple is repeating the mistakes of similar products and making their own JooJoo or Foleo. But that’s too unlikely — and stupid — for me to take seriously.)Given that the reliable information we have to go on is… absolutely nothing, either outcome seems equally likely. I predict the new-input-method solution. I have doubts that such a product could be as much of a replacement for general-purpose portable computing as John predicts, but I’m wrong a lot.
iPhones use slow, low-capacity, ultra-low-power hardware on a tiny screen with almost no ports and very few compatible peripherals. They can do only a small (albeit useful) subset of general computing roles. They are poorly suited to text input of significant length, such as writing documents or composing nontrivial emails, or tasks requiring a mix of frequent, precise navigation and typing, such as editing a spreadsheet or writing code. But they’re always in your pocket, ready to be whipped out at any time for quick use, even if you’re standing, walking, riding in a vehicle, eating, or waiting on a line at the bank. You can carry one with you in nearly any circumstances without noticing its size or weight.
Laptops are a strange, inefficient tradeoff between an iPhone’s portability and a desktop’s capabilities. They don’t satisfy either need extremely well, but they’re much closer to desktops than they are to iPhones. The usefulness and portability gap between a laptop and an iPhone is staggeringly vast (1:00). You don’t have them with you most of the time, they’re big and heavy (even the MacBook Air weighs 10 times as much and consumes about 10 times as much space as an iPhone 3GS), and they can only be practically used while sitting down (or standing at a tall ledge). Ergonomics are awful unless you effectively turn them into desktops with stands and external peripherals. But they can do nearly any computing task that desktops can do, and they’re able to replace desktops for many people.
Many devices (real, vapor, and theoretical) have tried to fill that vast portability gap between laptops and iPhones (even back when they were called PDAs and they didn’t have voice or wireless data capabilities and nobody bought them except rich people and geeks like me). Historically, this has never succeeded in a way that’s even close to mass-market penetration, including impressively forgettable eras as the “palmtop” computer and the Tablet PC.
Slate-type devices, like the thank-God-it-was-canned Smart Display and the it-might-be-released-now-but-who-cares JooJoo, have the limitations of keyboard-less design that make long text entry or complex editing impractical. But their screens are too large to comfortably use for frequent touch input. And they’re too big to fit in a pocket.
Tiny-keyboarded devices, like the thank-God-it-was-also-canned Palm Foleo and nearly every netbook, haven’t proven to be useful to most people because they’re simply smaller laptops, replicating nearly every laptop flaw while forcing compromises on laptop functionality. The keyboards are too small to be anywhere near as useful as a desktop’s or laptop’s, and the devices are far too large to be pocketed.
(I have no idea what the Microsoft Surface is for.)
The text-input mechanism seems to be the big hurdle required to bridge this portability-and-usefulness gap. So far, nobody has nailed it.
I don’t know what Apple has in mind for the Tablet, but they nailed it with the iPhone: after decades of clunky, awkward, mediocre pocket computers, I think it’s safe to say that the large touchscreen is the best input mechanism for them.
But the decision isn’t nearly as clear for a slate-type device with a 7-10” screen, which most people assume to be the Tablet’s form factor. There doesn’t seem to be a good solution. No device in this category has ever even been close to good. This — and Jobs’ toilet comment, as mentioned in John’s article — is what kept me doubting the Tablet’s existence for so long. But even the most conservative intelligence-gathering indicates that the Tablet project is extremely likely to be not only real, but close to release. (Although the late-January event seems a bit soon and could plausibly be for other products, like iLife.)
I see two possible outcomes: either Apple has come up with a radical new input method for this form-factor that will overcome the fundamental problems that made every other similar device suck, or the Tablet isn’t this form-factor.
(Sure, there’s a third possibility: that Apple is repeating the mistakes of similar products and making their own JooJoo or Foleo. But that’s too unlikely — and stupid — for me to take seriously.)
Given that the reliable information we have to go on is… absolutely nothing, either outcome seems equally likely. I predict the new-input-method solution. I have doubts that such a product could be as much of a replacement for general-purpose portable computing as John predicts, but I’m wrong a lot.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 2 January 2010 01:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
it is upon us
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah I bumped the other thread today cos I thought the thing was today
VVVVVVV this poster is dumb
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's perhaps a sign of my fanboyism that I am already imagining how I'm gonna use this thing before it's even been announced
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
like I was thinking on the train today "hmm wouldn't it be nice if I had a nicely laid out electronic version of the times to page through at this very moment"
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
leaked/fake ad
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
For names, I am rooting for iPad.
http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/New-Commercial-Shows-Apple-iPad-Tablet.aspx
― kenan, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
WHOA xpost. Yeah, that video.
carnival of stupid is in full swing already
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm ready to buy one just so I can use this: http://www.bitcartel.com/comicbooklover/
(comic book reader for iPhone and Mac that supports cbz and cbr files)
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
pretty sure steve's one more thing won't be the tablet but DUKE NUKEM FOREVER
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
I wonder if these guys who make these fake ads think they're gonna get a job in apple's advertising department as a a result
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
such a waste of fcp/motion skills
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
still think this guy should have got a gig
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is the event tomorrow or Wednesday?
― Jeff, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Wednesday
― kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
Momus has one
http://imomus.livejournal.com/520114.html
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
bah its fake!
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/the-apple-tablet-a-complete-history-supposedly/
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Please let this thing run Serato.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/01/26/tablet
― kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
exciting
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 03:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dilute Dilute OK!
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 03:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:27 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Serato is actually the main interface to the OS
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
I hear the tablet is actually manufactured by Numark and will come with red racing stripes.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
comes with a grounding wire
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
will also function as a fridge magnet iirc
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
you have to buy two of them to be a real tablet dj
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
like this guy:
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
so amazing the amount that has been written (and illustrated) about this w/o apple publicly saying word one about it
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
i heard it can go up stairs by itself
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
I heard it doesn't have a name so death can't find it, it doesn't have a home or people to care for. it's not afraid of anything, men least of all. It's fast and strong like a big wind. It can hear for a hundred miles and see a hundred miles underwater. It can hide in the shadow of a noon sun. It could be right behind you and you wouldn't know it 'til you're dead.
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/is-this-the-apple-tablet/
― randy e. bugler (jeff), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
CANT WAIT TO NOT BUY THIS
― mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha fantastic post gukbe
― Maria, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, good post, but from what I'm reading none of that is confirmed
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
i want to be jaded and w/e but i have a feeling that i'm really, really gonna want one of these immediately
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
ur a doctor qed
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
sike! me too
― randy e. bugler (jeff), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
Harvey Dent, he's at it again!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
starting in 17 minutes
From that engadget post:
9:42AM Okay! We're in our seats and there's some Dylan playing on the sound system!9:11AM Overall the mood is really jovial right now. It's basically a party in the U.S.A.
9:11AM Overall the mood is really jovial right now. It's basically a party in the U.S.A.
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
Well, now I know not to read that coverage.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
basically a party in the U.S.A.
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
new board motto
I hope the home button isn't in the middle of the tablet, as has been shown in all the mock ups; it makes sense on the iphone (where the thumb lands innit) but wouldn't on a tablet (on the same principle)
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.justin.tv/#r=y6Ire8c
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
where is the best coverage going to be?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh shit, didn't know TWiT was doing a live show. thanks cozen!
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Exciting updates from Ars Technica:
There's a chair and table on stage
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
not on verizon that's for sure
xxpost
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
gorenography
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
here we go!
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm wayyyyyy too fucking excited
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
you can hear Jobs speaking on the Justin.tv link
http://www.justin.tv/#r=uGgAhEQ
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
ipad
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
omg 'iPudding' who saw it coming
― schlump, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
there it is
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
more bezel than screen
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol at the billionaire laying into "cheap laptops"
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Every page and irc channel just crashed right now
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
ibezel
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
holding the internet in yr hands
LOL
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
in fairness, cheap laptops are terrible things
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
you write on the screen with chalk or sharp stones
― schlump, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
If that's a real Facebook page she's about to get far too much attention.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol NYT and Chad Ocho Cinco screengrabs
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
"What this device does is extraordinary. You can browse the web with it."
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
did they put fm radio in the iphone yet
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
Steve demoing unit while sitting on couch.
I hear that can get you arrested.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
'today we are going to unveil a revolutionary new product... flush headphone jack & fm radio in iphone'
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol @ this on the gizmodo live blogging/apple event page:
Jason Chen: Steve Jobs is on stage, and he looks about the same as we last saw him (kinda skinny, but not unhealthily skinny).
― i am just sitting here playing cafe world baby (Nijoli), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
From the Engadget live page
10:16AM We're basically just watching Steve casually browse. This is odd.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
"It's so much more intimate than a laptop."
jerking off JUST GOT REAL
― schlump, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
is this big enough to have a webcam feed of someone else going, and to have it fill the whole screen, and then to walk down the street holding it up like the head is your head
― schlump, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
All those augmented reality apps are going to be interesting now.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
getting srs dsi xl vibes off this thing
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
would def love to have one of these for school---they are going to nail the collegiate market
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
iTunes interface looks very nice
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
ebooks going to be awesome on this. already do a shitload of reading on instapaper and eucalyptus but they're just a bit too small
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
praying he announces adding ebooks to iTunes
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hahahah
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
steve jobs is driving his car over the ipad to prove that it is more resistant than cds
― schlump, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
customisable background imagesTHEY SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE
― schlump, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
you need the thick bezel so that you can hold onto it without accidentally activating shit
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah I know I ws just fooling
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Historically AAPL has always dropped during product announcements/keynotes
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
apparently this thing splits up into a separate phone, music player and filofax
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
legit q brought up by someone on another board:
do you have to ~sync~ this thing??? is it not a stand alone device? can i watch/listen to booted media on it? can i actually do non-consumptive tasks with it?
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
xxpost -- True enough, but that completely describes my reactions to this thing so far.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
so just to confirm: so far we have a real big iphone.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/business/ipad.html
dont really get what the big deal is tbh
― max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
is is called "ipad"? (not watching)
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's called "unicorn"
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
10h battery
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Correct. Waiting for the book/reader anouncements
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yay tech specs:
Powered by custom Apple chip called A4. 1GHz, 16GB, 32GB, 64GB storage. 802.11n, WiFi, Bluetooth. 10 hours of battery life.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
the really widescreen movies look a bit shit -- just a thin strip across the middle
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
i heard you have to use at&t even if you don't live in the u.s.?
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh fuk Scott would like to tell you about 17 games
have they specified the aspect ratio?
it's not going to be cinemascope, right?
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
Over a month of standby time. Accelerometer, compass, speaker, mic. 30pin connector.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
Still can't wait to try out some of the synth/generative music apps on this
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think this thing will be more fun to play with than to look at or see demo'd. And sure enough, Steve says: "Watching it is nothing like getting it in your hands."
Rather than completely new capabilities, this is going to be a more pleasurable way of doing stuff we already do. Maybe people are going to invent some far-out shit that only multi-touch tablets can do, but it doesn't look like Apple is banking on that.
― counter-clockwise (lukas), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
so really is this thing just gonna be an adjunct to my computer?
i love the portability, but it had better be cheap if i need to have a mac already
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
"30pin connector"
is that the normal iPod/iPhone connector?
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
iPad can run existing App Store apps without modification. Either pixel-for-pixel in middle of screen ,or pixel doubled full screen.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Maybe people are going to invent some far-out shit that only multi-touch tablets can do, but it doesn't look like Apple is banking on that.
well, it's all about creating an open platform that allows other people to come up with ... oh shit
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh great app store
"it just works!"
so?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't see how it's between mac and iphone; it's alongside iphone if anything, u still need a mac
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
can i download an archive from mediafire and expand it?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
if not, this is stupid. if i can't wrangle files this thing is useless if i have an iphone.
yeah they want you to want all 3
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
fricken iphone with a big screen and no phone!
yeah i doubt it - like i said elsewhere it seems likely that this is where apple is going for consumer/mainstream UI; there'll still be macbooks, etc for "pro" use
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
can I resize the icons? <- u&k imo
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
but it's a good question about whether it can work without a mothership connection
can i download an archive from mediafire and expand it?― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkif not, this is stupid. if i can't wrangle files this thing is useless if i have an iphone.― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
OTM
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is basically my mum's dream computer. the only one she can do anything at all with is an iphone, but it's too small for her w/out specs
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
Steve Jobs really doesn't like people using more than one application at a time, does he?
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
― stet, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:38 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
as I said, getting srs DSi XL vibes from this thing
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
like srsly this thing would be dope as an adjunct device IF it ends up being cheap enough
xp that's true: my mom doesn't really need a bigtime comp, she needs something easy to SEE and use that does web and email
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah it seems like they're aiming for you to have a phone and what amounts to a fancy netbook or a phone and a fancy netbook and a pro if you're the kind who needs more than a netbook
xp yeah its a snazzy netbook
this sums up my rxn nicely
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
i assume the selling point will be reading/movies, because this kind of locked down fisher price stuff clearly makes no sense as a pc replacement.
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
nyt
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
Steve Jobs really doesn't like people using more than one application at a time, does he?― James Mitchell, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
that nytimes front page is fucking awesome. sold
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol dsi xl pic. otm too
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
merlin mann: this could srsly cannibalise laptop sales
um, putting aside the syncing issue, 1 app running at a time says no
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
God dammit it should be its own standalone computer not a big flat iphone that needs to sync up with a desktop or whatever. Basically, if its functionality is only web browsing and iphone apps -- that is very dissapointing.
― As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol at NYT front page right now btw:
"Live Blog: The iPad Looks Like a Big iPhone"
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, it really needs multitasking. even if just for spotify, ffs.
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
"captured the essence" of reading newspaper
So it generates newsprint smell and ink on your fingers?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Umbrella guy is so cute:
― i am just sitting here playing cafe world baby (Nijoli), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
XP: and the sound of rustling, and the ability to cut small portions out of it.
― As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
as a music/video control device: dopeas a way to lounge around my apartment and read shit or watch videos or cue up music on airport express: dopeas a thing that can hook into my wireless network and maybe control stuff in my house or w/e in a futuristic style: dopeas a way to manipulate data in any meaningful way (including, say, writing anything longer than a few paragraphs): ~barf~
i'm fine with it being an adjunct, but if this costs $999 that is just gonna be fucking rude
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah the price will determine whether this is a useful device. if they are going to take away my freedom to actually manipulate files and data, they should not be charging $999
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
oooh, i bet games could be good on this....esp RPGs
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
informal poll: what is yrs price threshold on this?
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
if this costs like three or four bucks im there
― max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
right now it is $0, but if i had a job or w/e: $599
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
£1000 cos I'm a raving fanboy who wants to make print pages on this thing, £600 if I was actually thinking
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
I honestly would say 400-500 US, assuming i had a need for such a thing
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
EA demoing iPad version of Need for Speed (racing game). like holding an HD display 2 inches from your face.
And I have dreamed of this.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
So, over/under on "Hitler is underwhelmed by iPad" YouTube appearing before noon PST?
How the hell are you supposed to play games on this thing? Look at the thickness of the border - you're not going to be able to hold it like an iPhone and still reach the controls for, say, Chinatown Wars, are you? Not keen on the tought of cradling it in one arm and typing with the other if I'm standing up, either.
― mister_thoth, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
£350-400
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'd go $600, but I have to replace my laptop this year so my budget is dedicated to that.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
bejeweled is gonna be wicked
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
next time i have 500 spare bucks im getting a vaporizer but the $500 after that for this thing, why not
― max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'd rather they had spent the time making the macbook air into a fkn netbook
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
iVape
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
would buy for $400 but if it was much more than that i would rather just get a new laptop
i want an iVape!
― i am just sitting here playing cafe world baby (Nijoli), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
EBOOK TIME
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
iBooks!
I'd rather they had spent the time making the macbook air into a fkn netbookthis, still.
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'd rather they had spent the time making the macbook air into a fkn netbook― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:52 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:52 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gaaaaarg baseball viewer :\
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Playing Civilization on this will be A++
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
ooh ibooks
if they port medical textbooks to it then i am SOLD
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
iBooks looks amazingly like this: http://www.delicious-monster.com/
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
ET -- have you played Civ for the iPhone? I <3 civ v v much but wonder if it's just gay or not
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, I was thinking that elvis tel
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
have they said if it has 3G yet?
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
I've tried playing it, but the screen is just too damn small. >50% of the game time is spent just scrolling around.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, it doesn't
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
wolf hall gonna be way easier to read on this than huge print tome
pleasseee let me read the books on my iMac too. and buy them from my iMac
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol max
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
tbh having never read an ebook in my fkn life i still dont see the reason for the exitement over ebook functionality
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
x100
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
how much ar amazon books? srsly paying 15+ dollars for a bunch of electrons is pretty stupid imo
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
(exception: if you're a college student, i guess)
HOOS it's because instead of keeping Remembrance of Things Past on your bookshelf but never actually reading it, you can now carry it around on your iPad and never actually read it.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Twitter Trending Topics:
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― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
would be worth the $1000 if i overpriced med text books/references were brought down to reasonable prices
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
also, for someone like me: it is impossible to bring medical references to school because they are FUCKING HUGE. and there are times when I'd like to have access to several at the same time
settle down, ksh
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
seriously
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
ason Chen:
Apple uses the ePub format, which means it’s open, and which might mean you can import your own ePub books (maybe?).
^^^^^^^^^ SRSLY V INTERESTING
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
here's yr file creation comin up
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
no one needs to have all of their fiction books around all the time, but man REFERENCES. SO MANY REFERENCES
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
I am just astonished that Apple spent forever on this and its a kindle-sized iphone. NOT A GAME CHANGER.
I think this is worth about $299-$499... but would not be surprised if Apple goes with something like $899... I wouldn't pay that, though.
― As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
no gbx, i totally understand college students using something like this, 100%
Big question: can I add my own PDFs and TXTs to iBooks?
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't know if the subteext is that you can upload yr manuscript and self-punblish but that's where my mind went
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
cochin ftw
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
i want some iPadThai, tbh
when are they announcing the price?
― i am just sitting here playing cafe world baby (Nijoli), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
Wonder if that new bluetooth keyboard will pair with this?
yeah, the student market will gobble this shit up. most college students don't need to do serious hackery, but do need to have loads of different books going at the same time. so if you can plug a keyboard and a mouse into this thing, it'll be the ultimate student computer (which, tbh, is precisely who it's aimed at imo)
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
I strongly suspect that there will be a CDBaby/Tunecore type of service catering to self-publishers.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, macbook killer, especially if you can type into Pages with any sort of reasonable speed
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Only thing more tedious than presentation software are presentations about presentation software
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
ebooks are good for things that are only available in shitty mass-market paperback versions, and if you fly a lot.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
Nah, not true Milo -- the point about college textbooks is spot on.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
give me multitasking or give me death
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh, I'm sure, I'm just pointing out two areas where I find my old Kindle useful.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
iWork Touch interface looks a hundred times better than iWork OS X interface.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think milo's point was "ebooks are good for ... among other things" not "ebooks are only good for ..."
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
xxp
also, guys, i am getting a little excited about the prospect of this in a hospital/clinical setting. not that we'll see a usable/apple-y EMR anytime in the near future, but holy shit if you could tote this around instead of keeping track of a bazillion different patient charts AND use it to pull up references as needed....
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
eBooks are great -- and I am a college student so I know how useful this has the potential to be... but I just don't see the point of a computer you can draw on that doesn't have stuff like video editing and animation applications.
― As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
OK like I said on the iPhone app thread, ComicBookLover may just be my killer app for this
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
hate that weird wood effect tho
. but I just don't see the point of a computer you can draw on that doesn't have stuff like video editing and animation applications.for you, or for everyone? I don't know how many people are makin animations every day, but everybody uses the web
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
As someone who basically reads medical records for a living, I would love to see this (or something like it) widely used in a clinical setting.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
"old kindle"
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
srsly
five people in the united states want an animation application. it will come eventually.
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
good luck 2 students writing their dissertation on this bad boy
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
My Kindle is one of the first run, inherited from moms. It still works okay.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
Can Apple just FINALLY absorb FileMaker/Bento back into the mothership? I'm annoyed at how backwards the default FM/B interfaces are compared with this.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
will this run apps simultaneously?
― waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:07 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
maybe sooner than you think:
http://mobihealthnews.com/4952/apple-epic-team-up-for-mobile-ehr-pilot/
― joe, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
$999?
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
3G!
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
3g
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp
So can I go to Dropbox and actually d/l my saved files on this thing or not?
― what of the fuck you talkie bout (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
don't think there's going to be any file system access at all. think tracer's otm about this being phased out
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Syncing using a cable is so 2001.
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
apple srsly need to launch its own satallite to run data on... 3g is going tobe even more insufferable
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
at&t's 3G service is so good! yay
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
:/
unlocked apptly. international "this summer"
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
holy smokes those data plan prices
― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'd actually prefer one that didn't have 3G. Kinda wish it was more like a iPod Touch
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is like watching some horrible staging of fan service/slash fiction written by john gruber
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
hahahahahah
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
$499
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
starts at $499
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
$499!!!!!
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
$499!
― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh yay! £499!
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
$499!!!
― i am just sitting here playing cafe world baby (Nijoli), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
:\
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
whoa
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
everything is expensive to me so tell me is that pricey or decent?
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
barf
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
top end is $829
― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
$629 for wifi+3g @ 16gb
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
thats well cheap. that's cheaper than the iPhone launched at
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
barrrrrrf
hmm well i wouldn't need a laptop with 3G so i guess i don't need an ipad with 3G?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
id use this mostly for traveling to places with wifi
srsly worth it for me if i can carry books around all the time
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
(i dont own a laptop)
cutty otm
Cutty IS...up in the air.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
― waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
OK, the keyboard/charging cradle is pretty cool
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
still nothing about simultaneous apps, right?
― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
more gb>>>>3g.
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
loool
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't want to think about how much those will cost relative to a 500.00 MSRP :\
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol @ engadget: 11:22AM Jonny Ive talking about magical devices. "That's exactly what the iPad is." Magical? Really? Doesn't seem that magical to us!
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah don't care about 3g
keyboard dock is dumb. would rather have a keyboard with a cable/wireless so i can put it where i want
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jon Ive says “there’s no wrong or right way to hold it.” “I don’t have to change myself to fit the product, it fits me.”
"So I can be, say, retarded, or have a balance disorder and STILL want this product!"
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
it just works, dude
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
i buy so many things that don't work, and then what
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's doable
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
There is an Etch a Sketch app, yes?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
is there going to be any way to read pix off a camera on this? Means not taking a laptop while travelling, that.
also wtf multitasking already
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
have they confirmed a camera on this yet?
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
no multitasking, no camera
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
anyway this is all well and good but the important thing is that steve jobs just saved journalism forever
― max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
ouch.... then this is pretty limiting...
no toaster ovem
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
OTOH, saving newspapers? eh, forget it...
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
imad
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
for education users like me, this is not what we wanted from a 'netbook' killer..
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
a collective groan across the nerdosphere
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ha ha. I had no idea about this iPad thing at all and apparently finally decided to open this thread right as the announcement was happening.
Word to this. Got a Reader for Christmas and was pretty unsure of what to do with it (all of the fiction stuff I've found/bought thus far was laid out like some shit, but ultimately decided that e-readers make fantastic portable reference libraries.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
iPad is the worst brand name since Aciphex.
― ô_o (Nicole), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
if this had the full OSX instead of the iPhone OS, at 499 this would be awesome...
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
for education users like me, this is not what we wanted from a 'netbook' killer..couple of teacher friends of mine going nuts over these
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
betting it will take a while for conservative med ref publishing houses to get on the ball, but that'll be when i can afford one anyway
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
iPad
― i am just sitting here playing cafe world baby (Nijoli), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
really? Iphone OS means no adobe acrobat = no access to most educational/interactive websites...
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jobs: iPad is our most advanced technology in magical and revolutionary device at an unbelievable price.
Jobs' Shop of Mystical Wonders.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
The only thing that's really wow about this is the price, but that's kinda enough.
― Euler, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
what the hell are you talking about
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
what "websites" require acrobat?
What did you want? Looks pretty good to me. Maybe ability to handwrite on it would be good - wouldn't shock me if a third party could do that, though.
― toby, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
really? Iphone OS means no adobe acrobat
There are PDF readers on the iPhone, they just aren't named Acrobat
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
― waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
not acrobat = sorry i meant Flash...
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
BIG DIFFERENCE BTW FLASH AND ACROBAT
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
You can read PDFs on an iPhone perfectly well, so that won't be a problem on this. (x-post)
― toby, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Results 1 - 10 of about 79 for "sent from my ipad".
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
typing looks atrocious for anything more than an email or w/e
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
What are these educational websites that require flash?!
JUST HANGING OUT AT THE CX-ROADS OF TECHNOLOGY AND LIBERAL ARTS HI DERE
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
betting iPad 2.0 will have video and ppl who buy now will be :C then so...
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
and again: as an adult student, i don't give a shit about hokey educational websites. i want DATA
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
thousands of interactive/educational sites we use in school!
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.apple.com/ipad/
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Anyway I'm quite sure I'll be getting one for educational use.
― toby, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Coming Soon: The iStool, an obtusely angled footrest to prop your feet on so you can reasonably type on the iPad
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
For university students I can see a market for this... but in K-12 it's pretty useless...
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's fine, children don't have money
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
can u hear me now???????
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
but they all have iphones...
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
keyboard looks really awkward in the video
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I'm not sure that pre-university students are exactly the target market.
― toby, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
For university students I can see a market for this... but in K-12 it's pretty useless...― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:39 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:39 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
until publishers/educators adapt their materials
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
which they will x100000000
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
true... but it's not something i see happening in the near future..
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
not next week, no
Oh, there's a little 30-pin SD card reader. That'd be cool for photography and (maybe) SLR videography.
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
or the week after
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
The last graphic implies you should buy two, just so you can always have Spock in your life.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
its a big ipod touch then 'mirite
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
yes
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
but without camera
what's the circle/square thing on the images that looks like a camera?
― jed_, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
the home button
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
# Wi-Fi models shipping in late March.# 3G models shipping in April
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is up now: http://www.apple.com/ipad/
there's a "camera connection kit" too. top.
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
hate hate hate that retarded bookshelf metaphor
me too
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
xxxxxxp
Settings.
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
but its more magical
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi)
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
1) lol 90s aspect ratio2) not that great dpi
more bigger ipod touch = more magical?
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
tbh this is what I FINALLY figured out I could use it for but the price range is :\ for the larger models i.e. aything LESS that 64 gb is useless to a pro pgotographer
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
3G is data only
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
why hate the bookshelf metaphor
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
more crackable
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
because it is a clunky metaphor chosen for eye candy that doesn't deal with how i guess people will actually use digital libraries of books
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
imad umad weallmad @ipad
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
it belongs in the same category as the time machine UI imo
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol i have a macbook and an iphone so wtf would i need this product for
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
we all know this is going to be huge and we're all going to have one eventually
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
iBooks for Mac OS X would be pretty helpful
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
iZune
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
not sure this will be the huge success Apple is expecting..
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
ipad time machine
― waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
really want a way to sync my iBooks down to iphone. not gonna be carrying this thing everywhere
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
At $499 yeah, this will be huge.
― Euler, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol the ipod touch is already useless (srs boourns to u if u have one of these btw), a big ipod touch is even uselesser! (cept this does have 3G, which is nice)
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
you know the ipod touch is ENORMOUS for them financially, right?
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
will probly end up w/one of these tho :/
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, ipod touch is popular no doubt
they are going to sell billions of these li'l guys, with their retarded screen shape, no camera, stupid data-only plan, and ludicrous app store.
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
everybody made all the "iPad" jokes while I was out, right
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
logistically i can't figure out with i'd do with my iphone and what i'd do with my ipad, considering i'd be owning both. it all seems a little ridiculous.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
xpost -- Or linked to them.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
given what a success this thing is going to be, the existence of this bullet point, like it's a feature, is depressing to me:
Mail attachment support * Viewable document types: .jpg, .tiff, .gif (images); .doc and .docx (Microsoft Word); .htm and .html (web pages); .key (Keynote); .numbers (Numbers); .pages (Pages); .pdf (Preview and Adobe Acrobat); .ppt and .pptx (Microsoft PowerPoint); .txt (text); .rtf (rich text format); .vcf (contact information); .xls and .xlsx (Microsoft Excel)
* Viewable document types: .jpg, .tiff, .gif (images); .doc and .docx (Microsoft Word); .htm and .html (web pages); .key (Keynote); .numbers (Numbers); .pages (Pages); .pdf (Preview and Adobe Acrobat); .ppt and .pptx (Microsoft PowerPoint); .txt (text); .rtf (rich text format); .vcf (contact information); .xls and .xlsx (Microsoft Excel)
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp: ok just checking
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
so, i'm in a hotel room. i've got my iphone, and i've got wifi. the phone basically becomes JUST a phone, to answer and receive calls, and send text messages. i don't need an iphone anymore, i can finally go back to verizon.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
just fyi cutty i dont think this is targeted at you
― max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
also how can you manipulate the multi touch screen with your hooves
― max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
hey uh buddy do we carry any rush cds in this store?no need, I have them all on my ipadyou have an ipad?!are you kidding me, no. no, I'll grab my iphone
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dear Steve,
I would pay $549 for a 120GB iphone with better camera and battery. Not this crap.
Thanks
― mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
for you, or for everyone? I don't know how many people are makin animations every day, but everybody uses the web
Wow, so its just another thing that I can browse the web with huh... how special and magical.
Seriously, I can't be the only person who thinks that a tablet pc = the perfect amateur digital animation studio. Sure its a niche userbase but it wouldn't be hard to cater to. I mean, doesn't apple like to be the leader in using computers for creativity?
― As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
so is stet the only one here who's getting one of these at 1.0 then? elvis?
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
TBH I bet when most people's parents see this they'll say something along the lines of "A computer without a keyboard? How do I type in w w w dot ebay dot com ?"
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp c'mon take your liberal arts away from here, this is a technology product
― schlump, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
seriously? i'm sure i'm not the only person who thinks this thing is an ideal tool for professional astronomy, but i didn't expect to see it mentioned in the keynote.
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:02 PM
but wait, i have a laptop! suddenly i don't need an ipad anymore
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
I wish that, like the eeePC before it, you could at least disable the fisher price interface for a full OSX-like desktop
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
I mean, doesn't apple like to be the leader in using computers for creativity?
Naw, they're the leader in using computer to make billions of $$$ in profits.
― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
The creativity part, that's other companies.
i think the anxiety of deciding which device to use for what will drive me insane in the end
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol the ipod touch is already useless
... why exactly?
― thomp, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, they tried the creativity stuff in the 90s
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
cutty you should tote an apple tv too, for your hotel room
the fact the itouch/iphone is so great is exactly the reason the ipad is unnecessary.
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
apart from the currently niche e-reader market.
apple's just into making different things to watch pr0n on
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
yes, i don't know why they don't still make these, they were the best
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh wait, will this thing actually play pr0n?
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
seriously? i'm sure i'm not the only person who thinks this thing is an ideal tool for professional astronomy, but i didn't expect to see it mentioned in the keynote.― caek, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:06 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark
― caek, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:06 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark
Oh surely not. Basically, though, what I'm saying is that I don't think either of our niche dreams of how we could use a tablet are going to be possible with the iPad because it doesn't have a real OS on it (as far as I know from what I've heard so far).
― As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol @ the handles.
"its mobile"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp, oh absolutely
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
thomp: no 3G
if steve had at least had the decency to demo 'zing' then I'm sure we wd all be less grouchy
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp, i just didn't get why this applied to animation in particular
Also guessing why some of the iPhone apps won't work is because it doesn't have a microphone, so no Voip apps or anything like that.
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
yall are on some "how did bush win? i dont know anyone who voted for him" shit
― max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
it does have a mic tho right?
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha, i have one!
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
i will bring it to my imaginary hotel room
we are all aspies max, you would know that if you weren't such an aspie
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
max's gf is there too
doesn't have a real OS on it (as far as I know from what I've heard so far).
― As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:10 PM
Based on iPhone 3.2 OS
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
i dont think this thing needs a camera
would you really hold up a panel that big to take a picture?
cameraphones make sense cuz they're always in your pocket but this... unless it was facing-forward, for video... who needs it
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Input and OutputDock connector3.5-mm stereo headphone jackBuilt-in speakersMicrophoneSIM card tray (Wi-Fi + 3G model only)
does that last one mean I can use my existing data plan for 3G?
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
camera really only makes sense if/when they support voip
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
camera would presumably be useful for ichat/skype tho slockmeister?
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:13 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark
imagine how great it would be to be able to sext from your ipad
― waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:13 PM
iTouch her
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://twitter.com/#search?q=ipad
this is funny
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
so is this
http://twitter.com/#search?q=iTampon%20OR%20%23iTampon
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
Haven't read the whole thread but I guess this is Apple's Segway moment. Supposedly the great leap forward, but not gonna live up to the hype.
― Bing Crosby, are you listening? (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
just imagine remote.app *mmmmmmmm*
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
what a disaster for apple
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
even when you compare the functionality to the ipod touch, the price of the ipad actually doesn't seem that great either..
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
will someone plz answer the pr0n question
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp it will come down
― caek, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
There will be pad
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
The next iteration will be called the iPad Max. Or more appropriately, the Max iPad.
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:19 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark
don't iphones play porn?
― waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
the idea of spasming commuters watching hd porn two inches from their faces on the subway
― schlump, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+porn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
jesus, I'm slipping
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jeez, dudes, it's like you've never seen an Apple launch before. Remember?
1. Launch. Grumble grumble. "It doesn't have w, x, y, z." "It's too expensive"2. Early adopters buy, most people play with and kind of want but, y'know, see 1.3. A year goes buy, 2nd gen comes out. It has w, x, and y. Early adopters have been using it so it doesn't feel all weird to have one.4. Most of us buy the 2ng gen. A few will grumble endlessly about the lack of z, the rest just use the thing.5. Apple makes a fuckton of money.
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
breaking news re: apple stock
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
"it doesn't have a keyboard, how will I type w w w dot ipadporngrid dot com?"
― vacation to outer darkness (Abbott), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
could imagine getting this for my parents as a kind of old people's iphone/itouch
― saaberonixx (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
damn that kindle is an ugly piece of kit
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
― what of the fuck you talkie bout (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
if apple wasn't so damn secretive they'd have done better with this one
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
workhen xp
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
(considering there is nothing truly innovative about it)
looks like the funnest e-reader ever made
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
wd probly make a nice comic book reader
Can't work it into my budget right now. I'm looking at replacing my laptop in the next couple of months (coming up on four years old) and since coding is where the $$$$ comes from then that gets priority.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
yes, i agree. if positioned as an e-reader with iphone-esque bells and whistles, it looks more attractive.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
innovation ain't a feature list. let's try the thing before we say anything we're gonna regret, k?
― counter-clockwise (lukas), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
isn't this still cheaper than a kaosilator or monome whatever those electro DJ things are?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
i swear this just happened: i was watching shep's show on fox news and they brought on some fox business channel schlub to talk about the ipad so i flipped up one channel to msnbc and a tampax commercial was playing
― waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
maybe being home in the afternoons warps your perception of excitement
Kaoss Pad is $400 (roughly?) Would rather have iPad controller.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, the prospect of interesting apps really changes my perception of what these things should cost. If it's another thing to browse the web on, y'know, fuk u I won't buy what you tell me. If it's a Kaoss pad, robust field photo editor, etc that also just happens to play music and surfs the web anywhere, then fuck yeah that's cheap as hell.
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
there are some amazing audio/synth apps on the iphone, there's a great potential for the ipad in this area..
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
to me this just looks like a cool fun thing to keep around the house or throw in my bag - not a replacement for my computer but a sort of sci-fi-style all-purpose entertainment/media/fuckin' around device. and i think there will be some really cool apps for it. not that different than a big ipod touch, no, but ipod touches and iphones have so much potential that is severely limited only by their screen space.
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
All said I'd still like to get this but I will be mos def waiting for 2nd gen.
― As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
To me the tradeoff on all this is pretty straightforward -- one reason why I like the iPhone a LOT is precisely because it is a phone, scaled as such -- something you just put in your pocket. In contrast I have never really felt any desire to haul something like a laptop around wherever I go.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^^agree with all of that, slocki.
― jed_, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
for HI DERE
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:51 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what if you wore it around your neck on a chain
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
This thing isn't for computing and it isn't for mobile internet.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's for farting around in your underwear
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's for making videophonecalls from your bed like the My Two Dad's dude in Aliens.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cold Paddin' with S1ock
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
I kind of agree with slocki but then I think what if I'm browsing ilx at home and someone posts a sendspace? seems a bit silly to have to grab my laptop and so in which case why aren't I just browsing on it in the first place
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://jezebel.com/5458338/that-time-of-the-month-the-internets-best-period+related-ipad-jokes
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
what about those crazy harmony remote controls? I could see some dude with a $1000 remote control doing the math, though what kind of dude who can spend $1k on a remote control cares about saving $?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:00 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think what you're supposed to do in that situation is just start crying uncontrollably
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
i am already crying
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
If it's a Kaoss pad, robust field photo editor, etc that also just happens to play music and surfs the web anywhere, then fuck yeah that's cheap as hell.
Yeah, the presentation for this was actually kinda stodgy outside of the Brushes demo. Mail, web surfing, BFD.
Old-school Apple nerds getting older...
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
I presume you'll be able to control games on this using the iphone/touch?
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
has there been any chat abt multitasking coming to iphone in 4.0 btw?
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
PornographyIt's simple: You can hold something that weighs 1.5 pounds in one hand.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
you want them to wheel out john mayer with kid606 playing 6 ipads simultaneously?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
to me this just looks like a cool fun thing to keep around the house or throw in my bag - not a replacement for my computer but a sort of sci-fi-style all-purpose entertainment/media/fuckin' around device. and i think there will be some really cool apps for it. not that different than a big ipod touch, no, but ipod touches and iphones have so much potential that is severely limited only by their screen space.― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:49 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:49 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is otm
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yes.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
qn: what happens when u watch game-changing film avatar 3D on this game-changing device
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dling sekrit "what's new" doc just now
― stet, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
what happens when u play video game adaptation (from app store) of game-changing film avatar 3D on this game-changing device
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
You will actually feel the Na'vi breathing in your ear.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
probably a lot of games will change
― max, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
A great consumer device, but the marketing is lacking as iWork for iPad doesn't really make it a laptop alternative.
I think they really needed to have more apps in development that they could soft announce, like Photoshop (lite) for iPad, etc.
That said, if Serato works out a way to run on this, I'll get it.
I already happily read books on my iPhone...
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
For now I'll enjoy my iPad mini.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
i've got eucalyptus ON IPHONE and like it fine, but really it's just too small.
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
t/s: Min-iPad vs. Max-iPad
― Jaq, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
Apple (or someone) need to make something like a VR headset, except where you can see through the screens at what's outside. Then you can overlay your web pages/pr0n/3D music interface over whatever real world stuff you're doing.
― might seem normal (snoball), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
didja ever see avatar.....on ipaaaad????
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
First person to get a 3G iPad, set their Skype ringtone to Nokia tune, and shout "Yeah, on the iPhone. No, It's Rubbish" gets a pint from me
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
watching the apple promo on this, it makes the web surfing on this look pulse quickeningly good
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
I am so buying this the day it comes out.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
I would hope you can have more icons in the dock at the bottom.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:52 PM
^^ underwear farter
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
did not know about thishttp://db.tidbits.com/article/10624
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
WTF is up with that bezel? Ugliest piece Apple has produced in ... erm ... a long time.
― etaeoe, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Both the Contacts and Maps apps look terrific. iPod and Photos very WTF.
― etaeoe, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
One more thing: iPhone SDK 3.2 download? Am I blind? Where is the download link?
― etaeoe, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
bezel isnt great looking but its practical. feels like the kind of thing that will get suddenly smaller and be one of those big deal v2 things.
― max, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
you have to be a registered developer, etaeoe ($99).
keynote stream's up
― stet, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
cozen: that mode is fkn awesome; i've been using it for months
― stet, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's probably going to take about 10 minutes for somebody to hack this and load a full featured snow leopard install
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think I would look pretty psychotic using this in a balaklava, that's for sure
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
[img src="http://media.bestofmicro.com/apple-a4-ipad-cpu,4-O-237336-13.jpg";]
Hrm.
― etaeoe, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
probably wont be u to hack it, if u cant handle bbcode
― max, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's probably x86 based?
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can also foresee about a bajillion of these getting cracked screens from being toted around in college bookbags
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
also world peace...in 5000 years
Doesn't anyone remember this?
Apple's bought itself a chip company, P.A. Semi, that could make chips for future iPods and iPhones. The company was founded by Dan Dobberpuhl, lead designer of Alpha chips, who last year announced a 64-bit dual core processor that is said to be about 300% more efficient than the nearest competition, using only 5 to 13 watts at 2GHz.Products using the chips won't arrive for a year, at least, but we can assume that Apple wouldn't spend $278 million without some plans to use 'em soon as it made sense, and I'm sure Intel and ARM aren't stoked. The negotiations, which finished recently, took place in The Steve's home. Owning its own chip design is an interesting move. While the iPhone's had a lot of off the shelf componentry, it makes sense that working on its own internal hardware could yield better devices. Or a PowerPC repeat..which is the architecture I believe that the above processor is built on.More research on that chip shows how it achieves such power efficiency. From Ars: "For instance, the chip sports over 25,000 clock gates so that clock pulses to different regions of the processor can be shut off dynamically to save power...All of the PA6T's major on-die components have their own separate clock and voltage domains, so that the L1, L2, DRAM controller, I/O subsystem, and each of the two cores can all be placed in different low-power states independently of one another."
Products using the chips won't arrive for a year, at least, but we can assume that Apple wouldn't spend $278 million without some plans to use 'em soon as it made sense, and I'm sure Intel and ARM aren't stoked. The negotiations, which finished recently, took place in The Steve's home. Owning its own chip design is an interesting move. While the iPhone's had a lot of off the shelf componentry, it makes sense that working on its own internal hardware could yield better devices. Or a PowerPC repeat..which is the architecture I believe that the above processor is built on.
More research on that chip shows how it achieves such power efficiency. From Ars: "For instance, the chip sports over 25,000 clock gates so that clock pulses to different regions of the processor can be shut off dynamically to save power...All of the PA6T's major on-die components have their own separate clock and voltage domains, so that the L1, L2, DRAM controller, I/O subsystem, and each of the two cores can all be placed in different low-power states independently of one another."
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
So in a quick survey of people at work, roughly 49% love it and 49% think it sucks (I'm the sole neutral 2%). Same numbers as for the iPhone on its first release so I'm declaring it a hit.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah I remember that...seems kinda weird they would be going down a PPC path again xp
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ha! Good find.
― etaeoe, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
LONDON — Warren East, chief executive officer of ARM Holdings plc (Cambridge, England), has declined to name the company that has taken a multiyear architecture license for ARM's current and future technologies. But East gave enough clues while speaking to financial analysts on Wednesday (July 30) to show clearly that Apple is a contender.
http://www.eetimes.com/209900392
― etaeoe, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
OS X (and by extension iPhone OS) is pretty code portable these days so switching processors isn't a big deal as it once was.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
You know what? FUCK FLASH AND ALL THOSE WHO DEVELOP IN IT.
Flash is such a shoddy piece of work no matter how badass of a Flex developer you think you are. Gawd I can't wait until it dies.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Seriously, whenever I have to deal with Flex/Flash it feels like someone poured a bucket of magnetic sand over my laptop.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
made the switch to html5 on youtube and it's been so much nicer; agree with you Elvis, but no flash means no hulu + bunch of other things
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
if this thing takes off, hulu+the rest are going to have to buckle. BBC had a quicktime version of iPlayer out pretty damn quick after iPhone launched.
― stet, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
if this thing takes off, hulu+the rest are going to have to buckle.
Hulu is going to be a non-entity exactly one day after they start charging for subscriptions. They haven't set a day for this other than "sometime in 2010" but that will be the end of it.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
BBC had a quicktime version of iPlayer out pretty damn quick after iPhone launched.
Aye. And the YouTube player was already in there from the beginning.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I think this is gonna do well indeed. The lower-than-expected pricing was definitely a good move. I guess this means the Macbook Air is getting phased out?
― Nhex, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Holy shit iPhone 3.2 is fast as fuck
― stet, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
Castle defense games, too. Can't wait to play "Plants vs. Zombies" on it.
― kenan, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ask not to whom the zombie lumbers. The zombie is thee.
― kenan, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
I guess this means the Macbook Air is getting phased out?
Flopped, didn't it?
― kenan, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is Plants vs Zombies actually fun? I was looking at that @ the Mac store last week.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's difficult to say. The MBA was always kind of a nichey machine that Apple-watchers never seemed to appreciate deriding it with a "it's so expensive compared with a $999 full-featured MacBook" without acknowledging the subset of people who travel a lot and need a lightweight laptop. Case in point, a friend of mine who travels back and forth from NY to CA all the time and works as a proofreader/researcher. She got a MacBook Air and loves it. An iPad isn't functional enough for that - you can't sync a phone, iPod, dump pictures out of a camera, etc. with one.
Potentially, parts of the MBA hardware development could trickle down into the standard MacBook but Apple is pretty adamant about keeping consumer/professional lines separate. If it's any example, everyone was predicting the death of the Mac Mini for years until it found life as a low-impact server (and a really fantastic one too!). I hope the MBA sticks around, but it does need a price drop. I'd say $1199. It's not going to cut into MBP sales (MBP purchasers need the ports/screensize).
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Nobody has agreed on a set of yardsticks to measure if it's a flop or not.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
FWIW, the 64GB 3G iPad is in the price neighborhood of a MacBook anyway.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
Insanely addictive.
FWIW, the title they wanted to use was "Lawn of the Dead," but Romero said no.
― kenan, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
This is going to need some rethinking http://www.ilxor.com/~stet/img/ZingiPad.png
― stet, Thursday, 28 January 2010 04:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
you can't sync a phone, iPod, dump pictures out of a camera, etc. with one.
you can dump pictures!
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 05:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
but ya... syncing an iphone/ipod would seem to be a necc. feature
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 05:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
I remember reading the iPad will have some sort of 'shared file system' with your Mac, for putting Pages docs and pdfs etc. so maybe you can still download sendspaces on the fly?
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 05:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
otherwise crytime
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 05:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's not really a filesystem: apps can say they want to share, then when you connect the iPad it appears on desktop like a USB stick, w/ a folder for each app that's registered. Apps can put files in there, you can put files in for app.
I bet I could add sendspace etc to zing w/out too much trouble, if the new version of webkit allows devs to save files (current one doesn't)
― stet, Thursday, 28 January 2010 06:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Can't wait to play "Plants vs. Zombies" on it.
Is Plants vs Zombies actually fun?
Oh dear god. AND HOW. Now I want an iPad just for PvZ.
― ctrl-s, Thursday, 28 January 2010 07:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^^^^this
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 08:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
My dad was emailing me WATCH THE VIDEO AW MAN THIS IS AWESOME!I replied I didn't care much for it... until I came to the bit about ebooks. That and movies. Well AWESOME. I want one cause I can knit 'n' use the ipad (urgh what a horrid name) in my bed that way. Crap, I'll need to "lose" my kindle now. lolol. My husband said:"It's about the same size." I said it wasn't. Now I notice it is. Well, crap crap. I think I'll get it once our laptop (mac pro laptop) gives up. It's nearing the end of its life anyway.
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
liked the piano rendition of 'in between days' in the video! its use seems to be limited to sitting down with it resting in your raw denim-coated lap. disappointed to see no, cool, apple-designed note-taking app, which I assume some app store developer will have out soon. ibook app seems kinda bland. the home button placement makes sense to me, as it'll be under either thumb in landscape mode. like that it has an IPS screen - true 8 bit color! - when they can't even be bothered to put one in their macbook pros.
what sucks though is that it uses a micro-sim, so you can't just swap your current sim card into it - fuck paying for another data plan when I've already got an unlimited data plan going on my iphone. so far everybody on the internets is calling this the 'third device' which is otm; at first I thought, hey I can sell my iphone and just get a really cheap caller/texter - but then I realized there will be times when I'm gonna go out without my bag or whatever but will still need to check google maps or yelp.
NYT/other content looked kind of...boring? looked just like website.
wondering what major changes iphone OS 4.0 is going to bring w/r/t iPad.
also, fuck this if I'm gonna need to transcode everything with handbrake just to get it to play/VLC needs to release an iphone app.
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm also getting a kind of 'nintendo wii' vibe from this where people are quick to dismiss it, but within 5 minutes of playing with it they'll be bowled over. I dunno - can't wait for this thing to make it to the stores to have a play with it
#ipadfail
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 13:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
I wish I was in school again to see how this would slot in to academic life. but you'd probably need to carry around an external keyboard to use with it. and I'd feel stupid and would probably make fun of myself for it, like I used to make fun of the kids who would bring palm pilots and then connect them to lol heug folding keyboards which looked really painful to type on.
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 13:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
what the fuck is this shit - hoping there'll be a $10 sim card cloner out of hong kong within a week
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 13:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
I reckon landscape with virtual keyboard and the folding case will be fine.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
As already mentionned by some, I'm not entirely sure whether this would fit in my life btw my macbook and my iphone. I'm ready to believe, but as someone who has no desire to read ebooks, I can't really see the need right now.
― saaberonixx (baaderonixx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
new Spoon album all over again
― counter-clockwise (lukas), Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
Same here, I prefer realbooks and realtunes; the web browsing looks really incredible, I'm surprised Jobs didn't go more into all the finger gestures used for web browsing, it's very intuitive and a huge selling point. That said, not sure if it's worth getting as I'm still going to use my MacBook Pro for more demanding tasks.
Also, this is OTM:
I'm also getting a kind of 'nintendo wii' vibe from this where people are quick to dismiss it, but within 5 minutes of playing with it they'll be bowled over.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
(xpost)
Surely the curved back means it'll move about when you try to put it down on a table and use it?
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's pretty much flat, isn't it? Just bevelled at the edges? And there'll be SO MANY PRODUCTS SO FAST that angle it 'just so'...
We've got an iMac and 2 iPhones; I think this would fit perfectly in with that.
I also keep thinking that this would absolutely be the perfect web browser experience / games machine for my mum.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
You can also, when not using it, stick it on it's dock on your mantlepiece and hey presto, best ever digital photo frame.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
best != most expensive
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
Best = it'd fit with my decor.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
you've designed your house to look like an Apple store????
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
I make my bed in the genius bar
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
nick's bedroom:
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
thing at foot of bed is iBoard, due 2013
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
You asked for it.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
VLC needs to release an iphone app
but how would you even get your divx files onto the ipad?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
after removing shoes, guests are given turquoise t-shirts and lanyards
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
btw i am getting one, just still having mixed emotions. i can see where it would be useful in my life. just don't know if 3G is necessary?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
/VLC needs to release an iphone app/but how would you even get your divx files onto the ipad?
presumably it would be allowed to sync a la the way stet described above?
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't like how this thing will require a standing case if you take it on an airplane
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
3g will be useful to read ilxnyt on the subway
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
like, if i'm out and about and really need to use the internet, that's what my iphone is for, right?
there is no service on NYC subways
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh, hah; hk has 3g in subways/tunnels </braggin>
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
right now, itunes will import anything quicktime will read (which is a lot if you install perian), and it will sync that to any device. question is whether that device can play it.
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
you live in hk dyao?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, munich too xxp
dyao does the thread of crazy hong kong t-shirts, right?
yerp
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
just occurrd to me that if bolted to the dashboard of your car this would be an awesome gps nav system/way to watch pr0n on the highway
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
it doesn't have the GPS that the iphone 3GS has though, right?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
i was thinking of strapping it to the handlebars of my road bike
huh, you're right no gps chip. i just kinda assumed they would include one
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's some bullshit, right there
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
3g version has aGPS; wifi version doesn't
― stet, Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
we demo for you this awesome maps application... which will be completely useless? ( I'm assuming the assisted gps listed on the specs page for the 3g model uses cell tower location to ballpark your position)
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:45 AM
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
no wait agps is a real gps system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
crisis averted
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ditto. We also have an aging laptop that has about 1/2 the functionality of the iPad (too slow for streaming videos and there's a huge flaw in the middle of the screen anyway) that we only use to browse the web/check email from the couch, while seated in the same position as the fancy-jeaned fellow in the demo, even. We probably won't get 3G, however. The iPhone works better for me as a portable internet accessing device, and if I take the iPad with me on my commute, it will probably be as an e-book reader, which is a device that I also do not own yet was planning to buy when the right one came along. So it's kind of perfect for us.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
OK so the good:
nice screengood battery lifegood to have both the 3G and Wifi optionsThere will be some awesome apps for this
and the bad:
No webcam is boneheaded in the extremeNo multitasking, I'm not asking for much but the ability to VOIP and browse at the same time or watch a video and make notes at the same timeVGA out and not HDMI No 720p outNo Stylus (ok so this may come as third party but the killer app for me is PDF annotations)No Inkwell - I'm hoping both stylus and inkwell come as a future update. I can understand a strategic move of not wanting handwriting recognition to be a major feature initially, but Apples HW recognition has come a long way since the newton and this thing has more than enough power to make it workNo ability to use this a a secondary display or control surface for the mac, although hopefully there will be an app for that soonI'm hoping that the USB dock connector will allow more than just mass storage devices because there could be some cool peripherals
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.tnr.com/article/the-pc-officially-died-today
RIP technology journalism
― kshighway (ksh), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
okay, I have a friend who is a tech analyst prone to rapturous all-or-nothing pronouncements and even he would find this article retarded, mostly because of the furious backpedaling in the second half
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
No webcam is boneheaded in the extreme
I think they probably realise this. I'm sure it will be added later, as happened on iPhone. Actually, I think a lot of your list of bad things is not structural and will be fixed by software or later iterations.
The really bad thing is not going to change, and that is http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/ipad.
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
No Stylus (ok so this may come as third party but the killer app for me is PDF annotations)
yeah, this.
HW annotation + Papers = swoooon
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Scik Mouthy's pics remind me of
― what of the fuck you talkie bout (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
also there is no way in hell "the computer" is going away anytime soon. scientists and intensive media production both <3 unix/apple and i srsly doubt anyone wants to make avatar on the iPad
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
the return of a division between "home" computing and "workstations" does not seem that farfetched to me, although i got one sentence into that article
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't agree with that article that it's merely a matter of Jobs' desire for control. What's clear is that the App Store's way of distributing content, like Xbox Live, is severely threatened by piracy, esp. since piracy is nearly as easy as buying (or in the case of books, infinitely easier). That threatens content producers' business models, obviously. But these closed "ecosystems" like xbla and the App Store change this, by eliminating things like access to the file system. And for a lot of people the ease of xbla or the app store makes up for that loss of freedom. So I can see why this is a possible future, even if it's not my personal preference.
― Euler, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
"that article" = the one caek linked to, not the crazy one before
yeah, I don't by his inference of _why_ apple are doing this
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
by = buy
oh if you put it that way, yeah. xp to caek
but dude was saying that he wouldn't be surprised if apple phased out OS X in favor of iPhone OS and did away with "computers" completely and isn't that horrible for democracy because they rule the app store with an iron fist
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
What's clear is that the App Store's way of distributing content, like Xbox Live, is severely threatened by piracy
this is equally true of windows and os x. i'm not buying it as the reason either.
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
ill be happy if were alive in 10 years tbh, whether or not we have computers
― max, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
whatever the reason, i am pathologically opposed to what is going on, and not just because i am a "power user"
HW annotation + Papers = swoooon― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:11 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:11 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
although quite frankly I wish they enable editing of annotations in rather than having to open the paper in preview to do so in the Mac version. Also they have been promising new and exciting things for over 6 months now and are yet to deliver.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
i will be happy if you are alive in ten years max!
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
glad we can find some common ground
― max, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't get the legal side of this, but i would love to see the E.U. take them downtown for this bullshit
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
just jailbroke my phone yesterday btw
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think the closed shop is all about maintaining the "it just works" reputation, at least for consumer users. I think it is an expectation that a phone doesn't crash or catch viruses, however Apple seem to be a little over cautious. OS X is very hard to break, and I poke around where steve doesn't want me to.
if I get one of these I'd consider jail breaking it and I probably wouldn't with an iPhone, depends what's in and outside the wall. However sign me up for an OS X version of this, an iPad Pro if you will.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don’t know why they’re doing it. It’s hard to see how it makes them more money.
...
not only does the hardware have to be flawless, the software must be too. And the only way to ensure that is to have Apple approve every inch of it.
think you just answered your own question dude (or what Ed said) (fwiw this is also the reason why you can't multitask. i can't tell you the number of times i've wished my parents weren't able to open excel, powerpoint, quicken, word, outlook, and like five other things, and then get me to "troubleshoot" why an HD embedded video wasn't playing smoothly)
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
still hate it that instapaper can't update in the background, though - memory-resident apps are just not doable on iphone OS which is pretty limiting
still, apps start up and shut down instantly - maybe the first OS i've ever seen where that's the case
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think it would be hard for the EU to characterise this as a monopoly, it competes against other devices and software and the environment is open to anyone who obeys the standards. The French tried and failed to break the walled garden and it didn't work. I think that the business model may turn out to be flawed though, as was pointed out on Ars Technica its not terribly dissimilar to AOL back in the day, initially people like the close support but eventually they feel mollycoddled.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
if programs are built so that they re-open at the exact same state they were when u closed them, and they do it quick, how necessary is multi-tasking anyway?
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah but let's say i want to do some gmail chat with you s10cki. then when i want to browse my music for a second, our chat gets disconnected :/
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
would be nice to play music while I work on a document
― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
why are you guys gchatting with each other when youre not even facebook friends
― max, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
that was part of the joke, max
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
thanks for explaining
like s1ocki would resort to chatting with ilxors in his personal zone
i didnt get it
― max, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
apparently u did
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
and tried to capitalize on it
still waiting for an OS where you don't "open" or "shut down" apps at all, they're just always running - i guess we don't have enough RAM for that yet
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:29 PM
constant closing/opening vs. multiple things open at once
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
i guess we don't have enough RAM for that yet
no, apple won't allow it!
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
i assume iphone 4.0 will let you change the home screen background
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
other thought:
was reading the knife thread which has a link to the knife's site to stream the new album. i wouldn't be able to stream that on the ipad, right? that is frustrating. more crying.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
no flash
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
it sounds like ass, so let's have no tears, big guy
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
even if it was a link to an mp3 stream i wouldn't be able to listen to it!
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
getamacbook
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's all about the software, it's just waiting for it's killer app. Even the game developers were like "this is what we could do in two weeks modifying what we've already made". I think while it was mostly dull, and I could care less about iWork, that was the most telling aspect of the show.
I have a Touch and I love it...sometimes I wish the screen was larger, and that the apps were better. I think when/if developers step up it can be great.
I'm also interested in how the apps work with documents. Obviously as a PRO user I like to be able to have control over where files go and whatnot, but what if the iPhone OS w/ tablet gets more advanced and creates a whole new dynamic for working with documents? When OSX came out I was like "what the fuck is this documents folder?" and I still am. But what if every document that came into the system was controlled by the system the way iLife/OSX does in a half-assed way but better.
You're using the iPad and somebody emails you a jpg. You "download" the jpg. It goes into a folder that you can't see, basically Photos becomes your media manager. Adobe Bridge/lightroom etc. You don't move it around. You open Brushes or Adobe Photopad or Superfuckingpaint and you access all your images out of the same directory. Maybe it goes all web 2.0 and instead of moving things around to folders, everything is managed by Photos and has tags.
I think iWork just hints at things, it'll be other developers who come up with more robust apps with cool interfaces, just hope somebody does. And unlike other tablets, you're never running an application that isn't designed to be used with fingers.
Of course most applications can barely be operated with a mouse and keyboard, so maybe it's a bit much to hope most companies will do anything interesting with interactivity.
I can see games and music apps kicking ass.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
crying people, dont forget that the ipod/itunes can play in the background even on reg ol' iphone/tooch
there ARE some apps that can multi, they're just apple's
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
cant imagine apple wont introduce a certain limited kind of multitasking, if only so ppl can run ichat or something in the background
― max, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
ya but apple stifles iphone 3rd party apps from the app store that let you customize shit like being able to puts apps in folders or add stuff to the lock screen. why would ipad be handled any differently wrt to app dev
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
man i just tried adding homescreen to my iphone and it is JANKY
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
When OSX came out I was like "what the fuck is this documents folder?" and I still am
you put your documents in there
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
i tried to add hometree and some space marines blew it up :(
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh yeah...it's also about the media distribution. As above, I didn't think the NYTimes app looked much better/different from the website version, especially when the website version looks so good on the iPad browser. It was a bit strange for Steve to be like "look how awesome the NYTimes website is!" then have the NYTimes come out and be like "download our App so you can REALLY enjoy reading the NYTimes."
Especially when NYTimes is thinking about charging for it.
The real success comes when publishers can build apps/publications that are better/more interactive than their own websites...somehow. Then offer it as a paid app, maybe with recurring charges, or distribution through iBooks or iTunes. Thus Apple saves magazines and newspapers. Having a hard time figuring out how that could be better than the website though. Maybe if it's more like a magazine...you get 1 download a week, it's not confusing like a website where you're looking at the archives wondering if you've seen everything. And it's downloaded so you can read it and not have 3g OR wifi access.
I'd be into that. I don't need to go online to visit the New Yorker's website. I'd pay a dollar a week to have a new issue downloaded to me, with some interactive features and videos and games, you know the kind of stuff the New Yorker loves.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
It was a bit strange for Steve to be like "look how awesome the NYTimes website is!" then have the NYTimes come out and be like "download our App so you can REALLY enjoy reading the NYTimes."
this, totally
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
I put nothing in my documents folder.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
i usually put my documents there
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
you put your documents in there― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:59 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:59 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
but the idea of the os creating a folder for your stuff that it treats differently to other folders (like you can create something called "my docs" and put it somewhere else on the hard drive, but it's not a same -- there are a bunch of folders like this) was a new thing in OS X. i guess dan's point was that resulted in much wailing from the old school, but has not turned out to be _that_ much of a problem in real life. and further locking down the filesystem might be the same.
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
peripherals I want:
1) waterproof sleeve for bathtime reading2) Barcode scanner (I could make this into an awesome DB front end and lab tracking tool with that and justify work buying me one), of course if it had a camera then it wouldn't need a barcode scanner. Although maybe I can connect one through bluetooth and have it emulate a keyboard. DB is web interfaced, hmm, maybe I can make work buy me one.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
never put any documents in my documents folder on any of my macs
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm not trying to be obtuse here, but how does OS X treat your documents folder differently? just cause it has that little icon on it? i don't get it. i'm being sincere.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
spotlight/quicksilver obliterated my need to actually care about where I put anything on my mac tbf
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
for instance, before they created the "downloads" folder, i would create a folder named "downloads" in my home folder.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
if you put your documents outside of Documents, Spotlight won't search it
― counter-clockwise (lukas), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
ah, thanks.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
my point is that it is neither here nor there. If there's gonna be a documents folder, then the system should control all your documents and put them there automatically and not let you put them anywhere else. You can make folders inside it, or tag stuff or whatever. Day one I didn't want anything in my documents folder as I keep everything on a different hard-drive. Move the documents folder out of the home? It's really the way the multi-user set-up works that has fucked OSX since the beginning. I have how many libraries? Fonts go in how many different folders? Remind me where InDesign keeps it's workspaces? In system>library>app support or library>preferences or USER>library>preferences etc etc. Guess what? It has more than one, one user specific and one system-wide. I think it's all bullshit.
I think for most users, a "documents" folder or "movies" folder is great, but for POWER USERS like myself its pretty useless. I think Apples philosophy for several years now has been "we'll kind of make it simple and easy for novices to use so long as they don't fuck around with stuff too much, and the pro users will do what they want anyway, so why bother designing software and/or and interface for them?"
― dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
e.g. I don't even know where the downloads folder is on my mac (except on the dock). if I were to accidentally delete it from my dock I wdn't know where to go to get it back, except via spotlight obv
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's in your home folder dude.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
unless you are talking about a mercenary downloads folder created by you
I don't even know wht my home folder is
does all of this mean ipad is for me? I'm the problem aren't I
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh, the one with the wee home icon!
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm also getting a kind of 'nintendo wii' vibe from this
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
― DavidM, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Guess what? It has more than one, one user specific and one system-wide. I think it's all bullshit.
I am with you an a lot of what you're saying, but I don't see any real alternative here, unless you want a single-user machine.
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Sounds good to me.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cozen if you deleted yr downloads from the dock and didn't know it was in the home folder wouldn't you just Spotlight for it?
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
but i'm sure with a little imagination there's another way to handle this stuff. How about there's only one library, only one font folder etc etc, and each user has their own prefs and when an application is booting it knows what user is logged in and looks at their preferences. It shouldn't be as messy as it is.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, that's what I said
spotlight rules
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp so rather than something like the filesystem, you're advocating some kind of database to store preferences and configuration?
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
also 500% of the the problem with this in creative suite is adobe's fault. per-user stuff involves nowhere near this much confusion in almost any other application (including lightroom)
― caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
going back to content distribution: it's tantalizing to restrict the ways we can work with files, so that it can all be monetized better. The question is whether it's made appealing enough so that people want to do it rather than doing things the old way (cf. Netflix on xbox, xbox originals). The app store seems to do this because enough apps kick ass on the iPhone.
and Apple also gets, as it were, to outsource development partly without entirely giving up quality control by controlling the app store so tightly...and these companies pay Apple for each sale they make! It's a great deal for Apple!
― Euler, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
hitler vid's up btw but it's underwhelming
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think Apples philosophy for several years now has been "we'll kind of make it simple and easy for novices to use so long as they don't fuck around with stuff too much, and the pro users will do what they want anyway, so why bother designing software and/or and interface for them?"
OTM. This is why (and I can't believe I'm writing this) I'm enjoying my Lenovo Win7 laptop at work more than my MacBook at home these days...
― schwantz, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:41 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
u should do a hitler vid about it
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://gawker.com/5458812/collage-of-shame-media-who-took-obvious-ipad-prank-seriously
― kshighway (ksh), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
Small bit of info from the 3.2 SDK docs. (reported here: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/ars-ipad-reax.ars/3 - I'm not busting NDAs)
One of the benefits of iWork on the Mac is that content from one app can be easily included in documents for the others. For instance, you could include a chart based on data from a Numbers spreadsheet in a Keynote presentation. When that data is updated in the spreadsheet, the chart can be automatically updated in Keynote. If documents were sequestered away from each other on the iPad, you wouldn't be able to do this. Furthermore, how would you get your iWork files onto the iPad for editing, and how would you get files created on the iPad back to your Mac?Thankfully, Apple has addressed this in the iPad-only iPhone OS 3.2. The documentation for the SDK indicates that it uses a "shared folder" that any iPad application can read and write. This shared folder will also mount as a disk whenever an iPad is plugged in to a Mac or PC, allowing easy file transfer.
Thankfully, Apple has addressed this in the iPad-only iPhone OS 3.2. The documentation for the SDK indicates that it uses a "shared folder" that any iPad application can read and write. This shared folder will also mount as a disk whenever an iPad is plugged in to a Mac or PC, allowing easy file transfer.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm very curious about iPhone OS 4.0. I suspect that feature set (whatever it is) will induce a fair amount of crow-eating in iPad detractors.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
such as? multi tasking?
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
iFrot
― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
icrowkitchen
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Pretty sure there isn't going to be multitasking, tbh. Do expect some kind of live widgets on that clearly underdesigned homescreen -- no way you get a full-screen weather widget, for instance.
You could get some kind of dashboard for desk accessories, too: double tap home to bring down overlay.
― stet, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
got this on my iphone like two minutes ago
got what?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
John Appleseed? fuck him he's holding you back. 'sounds great' my ass.
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
also Anna's gonna dump you.
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
in mexico
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
nah she's going to mexico with paul. emily knows all about it.
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
cutty: the app, pictured above my post
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
what is it called pray tell?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
it is called jailbreaking yr phone and getting an app called "lockinfo"
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
NB - sms notification does not appear to work, i tried it out from google voice
Adobe's Flash Developer Blog on the iPad
It looks like Apple is continuing to impose restrictions on their devices that limit both content publishers and consumers. Unlike many other ebook readers using the ePub file format, consumers will not be able to access ePub content with Apple's DRM technology on devices made by other manufacturers. And without Flash support, iPad users will not be able to access the full range of web content, including over 70% of games and 75% of video on the web.If I want to use the iPad to connect to Disney, Hulu, Miniclip, Farmville, ESPN, Kongregate, or JibJab -- not to mention the millions of other sites on the web -- I'll be out of luck.
If I want to use the iPad to connect to Disney, Hulu, Miniclip, Farmville, ESPN, Kongregate, or JibJab -- not to mention the millions of other sites on the web -- I'll be out of luck.
So wait a second here. The examples you're using are Hulu (which as I said earlier is going to be irrelevant soon), ESPN (which already has it's own iPhone app), and fucking FARMVILLE? That piece of shit that spams everyone on Facebook and Twitter? BWAHAHAHAHA!
If I wasn't so dependent on Illustrator and InDesign I'd delete all Adobe apps right now.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hulu is going to be a non-entity exactly one day after they start charging for subscriptions. They haven't set a day for this other than "sometime in 2010" but that will be the end of it.― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:54 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:54 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
If comcast don't detonate it first
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol jibjab
― max, Friday, 29 January 2010 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
where will i get my biting political satire now
I actually don't mind lack of multitasking, as the things I do rarely require realtime. but it is nice to use safari while making a phone call ON IPHONE or whatever
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Friday, 29 January 2010 01:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
also I just tried to use time machine for the first time and it didn't work. also my coffee was awful today. FUCK YOU JOBS
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Friday, 29 January 2010 01:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
time machine has saved my ass a bunch of times!
I'd love to delete all adobe apps but then I'd be SUPER broke. I'll switch back to Freehand and Quark and make really messed up PDFs.
― dan selzer, Friday, 29 January 2010 03:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Frantic Steve Jobs Stays Up All Night Designing Apple TabletCUPERTINO, CA—Claiming that he completely forgot about the much-hyped electronic device until the last minute, a frantic Steve Jobs reportedly stayed up all night Tuesday in a desperate effort to design Apple's new tablet computer. "Come on, Steve, just think—think, dammit—you're running out of time," the exhausted CEO said as he glued nine separate iPhones to the back of a plastic cafeteria tray. "Okay, yeah, this will work. This will definitely work. Just need to write 'tablet' on this little strip of masking tape here and I'm golden. Oh, come on, you piece of shit! Just stick already!" Middle-of-the-night sources reported that Jobs then began work on double-spacing his Keynote presentation and increasing the font size to make it appear longer.
CUPERTINO, CA—Claiming that he completely forgot about the much-hyped electronic device until the last minute, a frantic Steve Jobs reportedly stayed up all night Tuesday in a desperate effort to design Apple's new tablet computer. "Come on, Steve, just think—think, dammit—you're running out of time," the exhausted CEO said as he glued nine separate iPhones to the back of a plastic cafeteria tray. "Okay, yeah, this will work. This will definitely work. Just need to write 'tablet' on this little strip of masking tape here and I'm golden. Oh, come on, you piece of shit! Just stick already!" Middle-of-the-night sources reported that Jobs then began work on double-spacing his Keynote presentation and increasing the font size to make it appear longer.
― peter in montreal, Friday, 29 January 2010 14:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
spotlight only searches inside your documents folder??
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 29 January 2010 14:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
I exaggerate. It also searches Applications, System Preferences, Music, Movies ... check Spotlight Preferences to see the whole list.
But it does not, for example, search ~/Library/, and there's no way to make it search that or any other random folder not part of the default list. Annoying!
― counter-clockwise (lukas), Friday, 29 January 2010 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ok, playing around ... it seems to search your whole home folder *apart* from Library, which makes sense for 99% of users. Still, wish I could change that.
― counter-clockwise (lukas), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
aha i see. yes that sucks. but not as much as i thought it did
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 29 January 2010 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Geeky ideas for iPad: I know this is going to make iPad seem even more lol California/Segway, but mind maps! Multitouch makes iPad even better than pen and paper for this.
Really any sort of graph (I mean a connected set of nodes, not a chart - org charts, process diagrams ... ) would be fun to make with this.
― counter-clockwise (lukas), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
but mind maps!
It's too early to be reading this.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 January 2010 15:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
spotlight searches desktop too im pretty sure
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh wait that's in home folder
*blushes violently*
guys you can search the entirety of the hard drive with the search (apple-f) function
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah i know - i always use Cmd-space though
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 29 January 2010 15:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
i know it's hard for you to press another two button combo
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
your understanding comforts me, cutty
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 29 January 2010 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
;)
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's 7pm where I am, Ned. Time to drink a beer and reminisce about our days together in management consulting.
― counter-clockwise (lukas), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
That does have an appeal. The beer part.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 January 2010 16:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f7a03edbd7/pee-wee-gets-an-ipad
― StanM, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
somebody needs to rip off take inspiration from the lemur and make it an ipad app. and let it work over bluetooth. wondering if jazzmutant will do it themselves, out of fear of being undercut.
― naus, Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
dumbest response I've seen yet:http://kotaku.com/5458822/why-the-ipad-is-crap-futurism
Reinventing The TelevisionApple is marketing the iPad as a computer, when really it's nothing more than a media-consumption device - a convergence television, if you will. Think of it this way: One of the fundamental attributes of computers is that they are interactive and reconfigurable. You can change the way a computer behaves at a very deep level. Interactivity on the iPad consists of touching icons on the screen to change which application you're using. Hardly more interactive than changing channels on a TV. Sure, you can compose a short email or text message; you can use the Brushes app to draw a sketch. But those activities are not the same thing as programming the device to do something new. Unlike a computer, the iPad is simply not reconfigurable."
Apple is marketing the iPad as a computer, when really it's nothing more than a media-consumption device - a convergence television, if you will. Think of it this way: One of the fundamental attributes of computers is that they are interactive and reconfigurable. You can change the way a computer behaves at a very deep level. Interactivity on the iPad consists of touching icons on the screen to change which application you're using. Hardly more interactive than changing channels on a TV. Sure, you can compose a short email or text message; you can use the Brushes app to draw a sketch. But those activities are not the same thing as programming the device to do something new. Unlike a computer, the iPad is simply not reconfigurable."
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Sunday, 31 January 2010 02:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
sigh kotaku
― Nhex, Sunday, 31 January 2010 03:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
what a tard.
apple is being clear _not_ to market this thing as a computer: "The best way to experience the web, email, photos"
― caek, Sunday, 31 January 2010 12:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jobs rallies the Apple troops
Steve Jobs held a town hall meeting at Apple late last week following the iPad launch to field questions from Apple's employees about the launch. Wired reports on what was said at the meeting by Steve Jobs. Two of the big topics included Google and Adobe.On Google, Jobs confirms the much-reported competition between the two companies.Quote:On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says.As for Adobe, Jobs said they are lazy and Jobs blames Adobe for a buggy implementation of Flash on the Mac as one of the reasons they won't support it.Quote:Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.Those are the main points covered by Wired's article. We had received a more detailed report of the Apple meeting, but hadn't been able to corroborate it until now. Many of the details of the Wired report line up with our anonymous submission, so we believe it likely to be accurate. Some additional key points that we learned:- Apple will deliver aggressive updates to iPhone that Android/Google won't be able to keep up with- iPad is up there with the iPhone and Mac as the most important products Jobs has been a part of- Regarding the Lala acquisition, Apple was interested in bringing those people into the iTunes team- Next iPhone coming is an A+ update- New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level- Blu-Ray software is a mess, and Apple will wait until sales really start to take off before implementing it.
On Google, Jobs confirms the much-reported competition between the two companies.
Quote:On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says.
As for Adobe, Jobs said they are lazy and Jobs blames Adobe for a buggy implementation of Flash on the Mac as one of the reasons they won't support it.
Quote:Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.Those are the main points covered by Wired's article. We had received a more detailed report of the Apple meeting, but hadn't been able to corroborate it until now. Many of the details of the Wired report line up with our anonymous submission, so we believe it likely to be accurate. Some additional key points that we learned:
- Apple will deliver aggressive updates to iPhone that Android/Google won't be able to keep up with- iPad is up there with the iPhone and Mac as the most important products Jobs has been a part of- Regarding the Lala acquisition, Apple was interested in bringing those people into the iTunes team- Next iPhone coming is an A+ update- New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level- Blu-Ray software is a mess, and Apple will wait until sales really start to take off before implementing it.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 1 February 2010 02:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
- Next iPhone coming is an A+ update
when is this incoming? march?
― cozen, Monday, 1 February 2010 07:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's typically June or July. doubt it'll be sooner, conflicting w/iPad
― Nhex, Monday, 1 February 2010 07:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
you know what would be awesome - integrated dictionary app for iPad. for the iBooks thingy. hover your finger over a word and the definition pops up. does this exist on other eBook readers?
― you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 08:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
In OS X (think it's 10.5 and later), hold down cmd-ctrl-d and hover over a word. (you have to be in a Cocoa app for this to work). Hopefully, something like this will filter down to iBooks
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 1 February 2010 09:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
Or just select the word, right click and choose "look up in dictionary"
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 1 February 2010 10:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
doesn't work in either chrome or ff :(
― you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 11:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
cocoa only
― caek, Monday, 1 February 2010 11:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
which is very annoying; hope apple builds dictionary.app into iPhone os 4.0 and context look up etc etc
― you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 11:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
ooh did not know that dictionary trick, awesome
― avatar 2: the na'vi ending story (gbx), Monday, 1 February 2010 13:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
try ctrl-alt-cmd+8 next
― cozen, Monday, 1 February 2010 13:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 1 February 2010 13:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
known that one for yearssssssss
(my mom's vision impaired and reversing the color makes reading much easier)
― avatar 2: the na'vi ending story (gbx), Monday, 1 February 2010 13:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
your moms so vision impaired she uses ctrl-alt-cmd+8 on a regular basis!!!!
― you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 13:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.
Ok, this is like the third or fourth time I've read this from the Apple camp. I've been making websites in Flash for around ten years now but just doing it freelance/learning on my own time/etc. Would I be able to do the same kind of script-based animation controls in HTML5? Does anyone here have any experience with the two and would it be relatively easy to pick up HTML5 for someone that has 10 years experience with Flash (3 all the way up to CS3)?
― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
'Relatively easy' in the sense that given a weekend I was recently able to learn Actionscript 3. I'm no programmer tho!
― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm pretty sure you can use the CANVAS tag to do a lot of that. IANAFD though. This article's a good intro -
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/get-ready-for-html-5/
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Apple is saying this in the hope that if they say it enough times it will happen. One thing that is lacking is a set of development tools to rival Adobe's flash offerings. Flash may well be a heap of junk* but it is easy to develop for and there is massive installed based of developers.
Apple may of course be able to do something along these lines, add something to Xcode, but it hasn't shown any sign of this. Google could do something along these lines. I find it very interesting that HTML 5 has been Google's route to getting voice onto the iPhone and I saw an interesting piece (wired or Ars, I forget) saying that the future of apps for devices like these is cloud based and using HTML 5 rather than through Apple's walled garden model.
*When Steve Jobs says that Mac crashes are more often than not caused by Flash, he is not wrong, I don't think I've had a crash caused by anything else recently.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 1 February 2010 15:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah Flash is actually a whole lot of fun to develop sometimes because it feels more like making and animation than making a website...
― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
most of these seem to work on my copy of Firefox -
http://html5demos.com/
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
clearly it has no future as a mechanism for playing videos. and for more complex stuff, there may be no alternative for now, and there are a lot of developers who would like to see it stay, but in a future where the majority of casual users (and who else uses flash-driven sites) cannot see your site, does that even matter?
― caek, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dashcode is quietly getting better and better; it's not what you're talking about, but if they felt the need they could turn it into one. Or Adobe could sense what's happening and work on HTML5 tools, instead of betting on IE never changing.
During his Q&A Jobs was apparently also getting wistful about the old, good Adobe, back when they rocked. If Adobe could go through an Apple-style recovery it'd be amazing. Right now, it's packed solid with lose and Macromedia people with chips on their shoulders, though. xxp
― stet, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
it is absolutely insane to me that there is still no good, affordable multitrack audio editor for apple macintosh computers
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
adobe has people who get it, and if they can spread the attitude that created lightroom, particularly among the ex-macromedia divisions, then i don't think a turnaround from being microsoft-but-with-cs-instead-of-office, i.e. a return to relevance, is out of the question.
― caek, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
At this point I wouldn't mind even Silverlight gaining more traction, just on reliability grounds, but again I'm not sure if it does much other than playing videos.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 1 February 2010 15:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Mr Hand, I thought it had disappeared when we last spoke, but it still seams to exist. Have you checked out MOTU audiodesk?
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 1 February 2010 15:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
post-flash video is a still a bit of a shambles, but how would silverlight uptake would improve things? what do you mean by "on reliability grounds"? browser support?
― caek, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
i thought you had to buy a MOTU audio interface to use it...
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Video has always been and probably always will be a hopeless shambles. There is nothing the video industry loves more than breaking 'standards'.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 1 February 2010 15:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
not sure that's true. at the pro level and for commercial home distribution (itunes, netflix, etc.) it's pretty settled. and on the web it's been fine for the past ~5 years while flash has been the de facto standard. there's going to be a transition period now though, sure, but the standards are there.
(all of this ignores the nonsense encodings you find on torrent sites.)
― caek, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
adobe has people who get it, and if they can spread the attitude that created lightroomYeah, Adobe's always had people who get it, it's just that they're crushed under all the marketers, idiots and Macromedians. Lightroom's a great example: it had been in skunkworks for more than a year, and was considered pretty much dead because mgmt didn't want to encroach on PS. Then Apple previewed Aperture, and suddenly a beta programme was kicked into gear. Then they renamed it Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, just for something to do.
― stet, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
At the pro level its a hairy mess. Shares in Transcoding companies are the best bet in pro-video IMO. Flash has done a great deal to improve things at the consumer end which is one of the reasons it would be better for all concerned if Adobe just fixed it. However it is by no means a standard, Netflix uses Silverlight, its a streaming format not a storage format so it doesn't work on PMPs. It's not the standard on Blu-Ray for main content, extras or online content. Satellite, terrestrial and cable delivery are different again and vary with geographic location and sub carrier content such as "red button" stuff varies by platform.
That everything works as well as it does is an eternal surprise to me. True the consumer is largely insulated from this mess, again largely by flash on the web. However the underlying combinatorics of Codecs, Containers, DRM and Delivery mechanisms is staggeringly mind boggling.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
how do u insert a landscape oriented page into a pages doc?
― cozen, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
you can't, i don't think: looks like all the pages have to be the same orientation. you can choose landscape at the start, or in page setup
― stet, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
wtf
― cozen, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
Same as InDesign!
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
Although with DTP Tools' Page Control plug-in you can have every page a different size. Unfortunately it doesn't work with the most kick-ass extension, Triple Triangle's Mechanical Cubed.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
So it seems that you can only buy audiodesk with a motu interface but it works with anything that works with coreaudio, which is dumb.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
doesn't pretty much every interface come with some software? Or do they just come with Audacity?
I'm going to assume Audiodesk is pretty cool, because I happen to be a Digital Performer user/owner. That's right, I even paid for the thing.
What about Cubase Essential or Logic Express or all those other programs?
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's iPad ordering day.
― Jeff, Friday, 12 March 2010 15:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
― it is just like an unknown puzzle till the end of the world (dyao), Monday, 29 March 2010 13:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
hope that's not the best they can do! Somebody's gotta come up with a pro-level dj app for the ipad. For that matter somebody should for the ipod/iphone as well. The main problem is always the lack of two outs. How about an ipod/iphone/ipad dock to dual RCA jacks for cue and main? Though if there was software good enough I'd be happy to just use two ipods.
― dan selzer, Monday, 29 March 2010 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
iPhone 4.0 spec news:
-Multitasking(7 API’s to developers)– Background Audio– Voice Over IP– Background Location– Local Notifications– Push Notifications– Task Completion– Fast App Switching-5x Digital Zoom-Spell Check-Bluetooth Keyboards- Folders for Apps (like stacks on Mac)- Home Screen Wallpaper
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 April 2010 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
developed multitasking just so they could serve us ads?
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.macworld.com/article/150449/2010/04/liveupdate.html
― ksh, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
does ne1 know if they're releasing a developer preview of the os today or just the sdk
― Tom doesn't sleep.. Tom Waits. (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
From that Macworld link:
11:12AM: DanF: InfoWorld: Any change in Apple's position on Java or Flash? Jobs: No.
― ksh, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
dev preview out today
― stet, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
ick
― stet, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
That's actually a picture of me over lunch
― mh, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ksh, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
downloading the beta OS!!!!
― Tom doesn't sleep.. Tom Waits. (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
i will report back and and all emotions felt while using iAds
― Tom doesn't sleep.. Tom Waits. (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
any and all*
― Tom doesn't sleep.. Tom Waits. (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
Never updated my 1st generation Touch to OS 3.0 - hopefully a fraction of the features can make it over. No reason stuff like customizable home and lock screen wallpaper shouldn't be available.
― Nhex, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
iPad isn't half bad, btw.
Sent from my iPad.
― mh, Friday, 9 April 2010 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Multitasking works really well. Rebuilt Zing to use it (and fix nasty 4.0 bug) and it's weird how it just loads up exactly where it was, hours later.
― stet, Friday, 9 April 2010 02:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
I haven't played an iPhone game that kept me interested for more than a day or two. Even Angry Birds and Implode lack replayability - once I was done I didn't really care to go back and try for more stars/higher difficulty.
― a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Friday, 9 April 2010 03:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
uh try Orbital on supernova mode
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 April 2010 09:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
but don't say i didn't warn you
haha yeah
― Wood shavings! Laughing out loud! (HI DERE), Friday, 9 April 2010 14:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
I am v. v. bad at Orbital Supernova. My high score is 26 - I think I'm missing something re: strategy.
― a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Friday, 9 April 2010 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
1. blow shit up2. don't go over the line3. ???4. look up and it's 2040 already and you are in an old folks home
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 April 2010 16:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can't get above 46.
― Jeff, Friday, 9 April 2010 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just get impatient with the thing moving back and forth. I end up taking stupid chances.
wrong mode dude
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ordered one of the hi-res antiglare models w/i7. I'll report back.
― mh, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
waaaaaaaaaaaant
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
prolly gonna get one of the 13" guys next fall
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
1680x1050? :o
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
"The new 15-inch and 17-inch MacBook Pro models feature Intel Core i5 and i7 processors and Apple's new automatic graphics switching technology that toggles seamlessly between powerful NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M and energy efficient Intel HD Graphics processors."
fuck, so this means I'm never going to have seamless graphic cards switching on my mbp? ;_;
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^^ (except i'm going to wait until autumn)
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
jinx
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
hotdamn they're expensive
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
also lol2008 processor in the 13" : / why no i5 or even i3?
yeah and it gets a sucky graphics professor
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
I guess in the past there has never been great differentiation between the 13" and the 15" so they're finally widening the gap
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
13" macbook pro replaced the upper half of the ibook line, so it makes sense that it is relatively underspecced
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's dumb.
i have a 15" right now and the 13" is just the perfect size! tho shit maybe i'll just wait for the imac to get upgraded and then throw in an ipad or something
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^^ flawless victory
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
^_^
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
i still maintain that the 12" PB should have made it to the intel era, although I guess they were thinking iPad by then. if they made it now it would be very much a niche, although nerds like me would be down.
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
still no ipad news
I've seen prices as low as £329 mentioned but I'm thinking around £400 for the lowest model. might go for £389 for that sub-£400 tagline
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
12" PB was so great for college
― max, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
macbook air replaced the 12" I think
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
I was waiting for the update, wanted to get 13" but bummed there's no processor update. Figuring now I'd be happier with the 15" for size and for the no-glare/hi-res screen, so much more appropriate for doing design work away from the desk than the 13"...but was also thinking about using it for DJing in which case the little 13" would've been better just on size alone.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
macbook air is thin but not small
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
going by current $=£ conversion the 13"mcbook pro starting price should be around £750. give them a bit of leeway and i would think £850 would be reasonable not £999.
― jed_, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
btw does anyone know if iPad can play movies you have obtained uh elesewhere
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
i guess that was their goal, but i would like to see a small ultraportable laptop now the ipad exists for people who care about weight. 12" pb had a footprint that was quite a lot smaller than the air.
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
gbx: i think if quicktime on your mac will play them then so will ipad (assuming you aren't dependent on perian or whatever on your mac)
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
$1199 = £778+ 17.5% VAT =
£914.15
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
you can transcode using handbrake gbx
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh i forgot vat lol
― jed_, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
yes, if you feel like losing the will to live that is certainly an option
xpost
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
caek that's true but volumewise the air is much much smaller than the pb, and actually the 13" mbp is slimmer by 2 cubic inches than the old 2"
but yeah apple hasn't made anything with as small a footprint as the 12" since the intel era
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
historically 1$ ~= 1£ in apple land if you buy retail, and they don't make huge efforts to keep up with movements in the currency market
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
dyao, yeah, if you asked me if I wanted an air or a 12" pb, i would take the air! i would just like to see the air be smaller, even it that made it 1/100th inch thicker, which seems to be their marketing's main concern.
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah the inability to drag and drop vids to ipod and ipad's is the worst thing ever (tho somewhat understandable, I wish they'd at least accept more codecs/filetypes)
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
waiting for somebody to port VLC to the iapp store
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
the lack of a universal file storage area/library sucks though (and would probably be too computer-like for apple's current design philosophy wrt iphone and ipad)
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
isn't something like that coming in iphone os 4.0?
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
I see an "app folder" but it seems to be for grouping apps together
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
this shows how confoundingly difficult it is to share iwork documents between your ipad and your mac, for example
waiting for the day when I can just sync my ipad/iphone to any random folder on my mac
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i might be imagining it, but i thought i'd heard something about an api being exposed in 4.0 to make this easier for non-apple devs. as you say though, apple's own apps suck in this regard.
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
there's something about file management coming but i can't remember how it works
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
you have to buy all your files from itunes store
― max, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
and then sync them while holding down the home button through safari
you also have to be doing a handstand (the ipad orientation sensor will keep you honest)
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
btw if you're in school iirc you can become a student developer through apple's developer connection for $100. that entitles you to a one-time 20% discount on any purchase of a mac, which would bring the $2200 15" mbp to around $1860.
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
cuz the current education discount is not v good iirc
http://developer.apple.com/students/sthardware.html
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol after doing the math you save around $140 over the education store discount, at least for the top of the line 15". I assume the savings get smaller the further down you move down the apple product line.
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
you save 199 on the 1499 13" i think
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
are you factoring in the $100 it takes to join the program?
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
yup
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
1499*0.8 + 100
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
education discount on top of the line 13": $1399
adc student discount: 1199 + 100 = 1299
so about 100?
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh duh i am dumb: i was comparing it to the original price :(
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
iPad works fine for watching random movies. If you want to make it work well, I'd recommend importing the file into iTunes (although not having iTunes do any transcoding) and adding title and descriptions. I threw a couple ripped dvds on there and they work great.
File syncing to the iPad kind of sucks, or at least it would for document management of anything you'll edit.
― mh, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
"iPad works fine for watching random movies." - I'm just going to assume you're not talking about DivX movies here, but if you are, please explain.
I've been just streaming my DivX and other random file formats through Air Video (from my laptop). Real nice interface and quality of video.
― BleepBot, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
By "random" I mean "movies that I have been encoding with Handbrake for the past couple years." If you're looking for random crap you've downloaded off the web to work, then yeah, there will be issues.
― mh, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
They've scrapped the ADC student programme and the hardware discount. It's still valid if you've got one, but you can't sign up any more.
― stet, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's not really random is it? xp
― full government name (cutty), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Classic: available 512GB solid state drive!Dud: it's $1300 ;_:
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
still, new MBPros look faaaast
still thinkin this imac + ipad + hang onto current MBP until it dies = winning scenario
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
get a skateboard too
― caek, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
uk ipad on may 10
― caek, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 12:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's the pre-order date, still no price announcement yet though
― caek, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 12:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
Fuckers.
― stet, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 12:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
this was interesting, that there should be no customs charges for imported ipads as they aren't programmable...
http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/iPad/Apple+iPad/news.asp?c=19060
but don't quote me on that. people on other forii have been importing them but no word on import duty.
this is more my style: http://wepad.mobi/en
― koogs, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 17:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah it's just VAT.
― stet, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2010/04/15/iphone_os_4_0/
I think it’s fair to say that most people involved in interaction design tend to agree that hierarchical file systems have largely failed their users. People don’t want to deal with user-maintained hierarchies, and hierarchical file systems mainly succeed in helping people lose their data inside a huge mess of pointless folder structures. However, when we say «hierarchical file systems don’t work», most of us end that sentence with «so we need to replace them with something better» in our heads. Apple, on the other hand, ended the sentence with «so we’re not going to bother with this stuff, let’s just leave this up to each individual application.»1As a result, the problem is now arguably becoming worse than it was before. Not only is the problem of file management still unsolved and extremely difficult, but now every application has its own, mutually incompatible and inconsistent solution for it.Some applications synchronize files on a local network with a desktop application or a small desktop client. Others let users add and remove files using something like FTP or WebDAV. Some use Internet services for synchronizing files. The iPad has its own file sharing system for certain applications, which is a complete joke. Some applications interface with systems like Box.net or Dropbox.Most applications can’t share files between each other. And of course, the user interface for accessing files is completely different in different applications.At some point, Apple needs to address this problem. Unfortunately, they did not do so in 4.0.
As a result, the problem is now arguably becoming worse than it was before. Not only is the problem of file management still unsolved and extremely difficult, but now every application has its own, mutually incompatible and inconsistent solution for it.
Some applications synchronize files on a local network with a desktop application or a small desktop client. Others let users add and remove files using something like FTP or WebDAV. Some use Internet services for synchronizing files. The iPad has its own file sharing system for certain applications, which is a complete joke. Some applications interface with systems like Box.net or Dropbox.
Most applications can’t share files between each other. And of course, the user interface for accessing files is completely different in different applications.
At some point, Apple needs to address this problem. Unfortunately, they did not do so in 4.0.
― caek, Thursday, 15 April 2010 13:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
people talk about something that I thought was a good idea, the old soup idea, put everything in one place and use tags or metadata, but the more I think about that, the more I think that's a terrible idea as well. Like I'm more or less happy with labels in gmail, but then I find it really tedious to add 3 labels to a single email.
For most normal people who simply keep everything in a "documents" folder, an easy solution can probably be found, but for serious users with tons and tons of work, I can't imagine what it would be.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 15 April 2010 13:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think 'spotlight' was an attempt to solve this but then you have to remember what keywords to search for
― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Thursday, 15 April 2010 13:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't like anything that relies on search...spotlight, quicksilver etc. It's like, you forget where things are, you search for them and if you find two similar folders you still have to remember which is which. I prefer orderly folder nesting. Search is also too slow, especially over a network.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 15 April 2010 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
For me, primarily a creator and reader of texts (as opposed to "multimedia" files), a great start would be a file system that put the author's name and article's title "automatically" into the file's name, or into whatever "tag" system is being searched. Spotlight fails me so often even when I know the author and (some substring of the) title.
― Euler, Thursday, 15 April 2010 13:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
it can't be automatic though. Somebody has to input the info somewhere! I'm not sure how much room for metadata there is in .txt or .rtf or .doc, but Photoshop for instance has an extensive amount of metadata, and it's not Photoshop specific, it uses what's called XMP. Digital asset management at larger advertising/design/printing type firms use this info and it's plugged into a database or web browsing abilities.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 15 April 2010 14:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
right---but it could be something that, say, PDF or .doc creation somehow "prompted" or even "required" (obv. in some weak sense) you to do...not so much for yourself as for other people who'll be sharing the documents.
― Euler, Thursday, 15 April 2010 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
Soups worked really, really well in Newton. They should revamp that, for certain
― stet, Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
that was just implemented stupidly. I'm not suggesting going back to newton soups. But there's a compromise somewhere.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh, that wasn't ilxor sarc -- i liked soups! Need a revamp for sure, but you're right.
― stet, Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think the earlier article or somewhere linked to this:
http://stevenf.tumblr.com/post/94591835/warning-a-long-rambly-exploration-of-the-state
― dan selzer, Thursday, 15 April 2010 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can see this being the type of thing where Apple doesn't release anything until they think they have the problem nailed (see copy paste.) It seems like Jobs is in love with the idea of re-imagining computing, so I don't see a tactical retreat to a boring old filesystem.
― idm@hyperreal.org (lukas), Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
And if I had to guess, I'd say the future looks like iTunes/iPhoto for documents, with similar but distinct management interfaces for office docs, music, etc.
― idm@hyperreal.org (lukas), Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
i suspect they're desperately trying to come up with something better than the google app style filecloud, though that's easily the best solution available right now for mucking about stuff on multiple computer or portable devices that all have internet access
― Nhex, Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
Nice idea in that article though - about going from Quicklook to Quickedit, this would actually be a brilliant move, no UI just working keyboard shortcuts to manipulate documents, autosave constantly etc. I already use Spotlight all the time. There are already a hardcore set of users who are using Quicksilver-esque task launchers...
― Nhex, Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
I use gmail and google docs...miles better than mobileMe, obviously, but I really hate them. I hate the interface on google's stuff, I hate how buttons keep moving around. I hate a lot of things about them. It's bizarre that there are these two opposing companies competing against each other and their strengths are so totally opposite. If apple got on board and realized everybody wanted a greater degree of cloud computing and offered powerful features, instead of the stunted website that is mobileme mail, they could do amazing things. Or if Google just hired some better UI people.
I know apple is working on this and that, but I'm affraid it's too late...maybe not for the industry but for me! I've already moved all my mail and contacts to google. I also moved some timesheet type files I use when freelancing from iDisk to google docs.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I wonder if all that money Apple recently dropped on a datacenter was for this or just to keep up with iTunes/App Store growth.
― idm@hyperreal.org (lukas), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
luuuuuuuuust if these are real
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Friday, 16 April 2010 11:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
my Verizon contract is about up and i'm considering jumping over to AT&T for the iPhone. sounds like the 4G is coming out this summer though. if i got the 3GS now, would i be able to trade it in toward a 4G when that comes out? just wondering if i should wait or if it doesn't really matter.
― circa1916, Friday, 16 April 2010 23:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'd wait. You'd probably be able to get some discount on the 4G (no way for a free trade, though), but why not just wait a few more months?
― Nhex, Friday, 16 April 2010 23:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm gonna wait a few months to see if there's any solid news about iPhone coming to Verizon...if not it's the HTC Incredible for me. I've just heard enough complaints from users in NY, but more importantly all the people I call are on verizon, which helps keep costs down.
― dan selzer, Friday, 16 April 2010 23:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, waiting seems to be the smart thing to do. my current phone is a total POS and slightly broken so i'm just very eager to get rid of it.
― circa1916, Friday, 16 April 2010 23:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
cozen, that picture looks a lot more like the iPad form factor than an iPhone. iPhone is much more tapered on the edges.
― mh, Friday, 16 April 2010 23:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
if i got the 3GS now, would i be able to trade it in toward a 4G when that comes out?
After the ridiculous run-around and bs that I got from AT&T last summer, I'm going to say not a chance in hell.
― joygoat, Saturday, 17 April 2010 02:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
i would wait, both for verizon and 4g (although 3gs is pretty fast). hopefully if they open up verizon it will lessen the load on AT&T, and also maybe drive the price on AT&T down a bit (it is outrageous, IMO).
― akm, Saturday, 17 April 2010 07:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
Maybe it will force AT&T to allow tethering finally, ffs
― mh, Sunday, 18 April 2010 20:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone
― cutty, Monday, 19 April 2010 15:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
It was found lost in a bar in Redwood City, camouflaged to look like an iPhone 3GS.
I lol'd
― █▓▒░ 97 people sleep immediately after seeing this video ░▒▓█ (dyao), Monday, 19 April 2010 16:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol somebody's getting fired
― Nhex, Monday, 19 April 2010 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
thats the picture and video they took before vigorously making love to it
― mayor jingleberries, Monday, 19 April 2010 17:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
was probably woz that lost it
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Monday, 19 April 2010 17:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
Been liking some of Gruber's coverage as of late, put him back on my RSS list, but man his whole "OMG GIZMODO HOW COULD YOU PAY FOR STOLEN GOODS" outrage is a bit ridiculous. I mean, I almost take it for granted he's an Apple shill but dude try to look the part a little less.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 06:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
can you pass RSS through a smug filter?
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 07:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
I see your Gruber and raise you one Ihnatko: http://ihnatko.com/2010/04/19/the-increasingly-plausible-miraculous-engadget-and-gizmodo-iphone-4g/
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 08:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesus who cares. apple ppl are ridiculous
― po-mo da don (tpp), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 08:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
what a long-winded bullshit excuse for stealing a phone.
'i sat around and waited for the guy but he didn't come back'
yes and afterwards you just walked off with it..didnt think to hand it in behind the bar?
― po-mo da don (tpp), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
sounds pretty lol coverup to me. details are suspiciously fleshed out. but who cares
― █▓▒░ 97 people sleep immediately after seeing this video ░▒▓█ (dyao), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
gizmodo paid $5k for ithttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9175819/Gizmodo_paid_5K_for_next_gen_iPhone
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
― caek, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
h/t to max
― caek, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
gizmodo was noticeably sluggish yesterday, and, i think, they turned comments off to cut down on processing.
― koogs, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
i call that gif "how to make a million dollars on the internet, by nick denton"
― max, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
― "excellent sound-of-a-generation indie" (ksh), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 17:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
slow golf clap to apple's black-ops PR department
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
This doesn't smell like Apple's PR, black ops or otherwise. I like how everyone is shitting themselves over a prototype that features a likely not-final case, and there are no pictures of the thing actually running. Apple's not going to freak because this is a huge leak from them, but for any other company this is about 1/1000th of what would be shown to the press throughout a product's development.
― mh, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
BTW, the new inertial trackpad thing on MacBook Pros is nice. I can get to the bottom of ILX threads so quickly!
― mh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 00:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.fakesteve.net/2010/04/gruber-wants-to-make-a-citizens-arrest-at-gawker-and-gizmodo.html
― Steve Sharta (cozen), Thursday, 22 April 2010 18:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
also android running on iphone is kinda sick
― Steve Sharta (cozen), Thursday, 22 April 2010 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
Lose iPhone prototype, get free trip to Germany to keep drinking beer
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 April 2010 19:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
also android running on iphone is kinda sicku doin this?
― stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gruber has a great post up abt the whole Gizmodo/iPhone 4 debacle
― ksh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
gruber's tone has gotten really irritating over the years.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
man, i love Daring Fireball
― ksh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
i like daring fireball and i'm a bit of an apple stan but gruber's broken his brain over this gizmodo thing.
― joe, Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
been reading since aught four, and i'm sure he didn't used to bang on about this old school journalism shit like he invented it back then. want him to go back to getting neurotic about the finder.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
suspect he's playing to the gallery of his apple contacts to ensure continued tips. that's as much old school journalism as gizmodo's shady dealings.
― joe, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
not me (no iphone), but I saw it linked from sanctimoniousfireball.com
― Steve Sharta (cozen), Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
wtf @ the lufthansa thing. that doesn't even... make any sense. got to ride that publicity wave I guess
― Steve Sharta (cozen), Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
on matters of taste, he has reliably terrible conservative yuppie ones. wouldn't bother me so much if he wasn't seen as a technical design guru with a typography background. he's a perl coder (taste!) with a copy of strunk and white and a stanley kubrick box set.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
he has reliably terrible conservative yuppie ones
what do you mean?
― ksh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
Did you guys ever see where people were calling him out on his complete inability to maintain his Markdown plugin? The main version had "unpublished" fixes that he stuck elsewhere, there's no community management of it despite the syntax being in a lot of places, etc.
― mh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
conservative tech design yuppie with his background is consistent with perl, strunk & white, and kubrick imo
― mh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is narcissism of small differences that i don't want to encourage in myself, but the post on the front page about the 100$ bill redesign is a good example. also: yankees fan.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
conservative tech design yuppie with his background is consistent with perl, strunk & white, and kubrick imo― mh, Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:16 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― mh, Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:16 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, totally. it's how he's perceived by up and coming apple stans that bothers me. they should be more like me.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
sanctimoniousfireball.com hope he reads his referrers.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
I like him generally, but it's a lot of "hah, told you so" comments refuting stupid analysts that dare to short Apple, calling people out for some perceived slights, and a few other glitches that make me think he's nothing more than an unofficial mouthpiece for part of Apple's business.
ffs, Apple employees reference his comments on Flash stuff
― mh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
i had no idea there was an actual hierarchy of apple stans!
i have no idea what you guys are talking about except at some point perl was mentioned and perl is totally awesome :D
― pollos da don (tpp), Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, but he has only that expertise because he migrated from beardy web dude to Appley tech pundit and hasn't touched actual programming for years.
― mh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
perl: people with no tasteruby: assholespython: finegruber on objc, cocoa, next, osx internals: lolz
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
wtf perl is the coolest language ever. i don't know what any of those others are tho. lol hardware engineer
― pollos da don (tpp), Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
if you're a hardware engineer, then you probably don't consider any of these "actual programming"
― mh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
he drops in little references to his personal style guide, like "Daring Fireball changed from 'Web site' to 'website' last October". Or when he stopped writing "Internet". Two things about that: (i) he does not need a style guide, he writes a blog (ii) all his style choices are those weirdly pretentious AP/NYT ones, like he's writing tech documentation at IBM or something.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
kubrick ugh
― Steve Sharta (cozen), Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
isn't 'osx internals' just 'unix' ?! *runs*
― pollos da don (tpp), Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
The effect on the fanboy army is worse. You'd think Helvetica was the only font.
― stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think DF is generally really, really great -- i don't really read many other tech blogs regularly, but i appreciate the writing & insight on his
― ksh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
feel for you, son
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
is there an equivalent PC fanboy community out there?
READ YOUR BLOGS
loooool
re: Helvetica, I thought Kubrick was a Futura man? Wes Anderson sure is.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
gruber doesn't use helvetica, tbf, but he doesn't criticize its misuse by apple
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
how do you misuse helvetica? bad kerning or something?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
you use it on an iphone
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
always love it when i discover new levels of aesthetic fastidiousness. what am i missing here - why is helvetica bad on the iphone?
― joe, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
they should have used espi sans instead?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^ but Gruber's been all over Helvetica in the past for sure. Think the original iPhone review had boke-worthy bits about how "elegant" it all looked because it was in Helvetica.
Xp
― stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
helvetica has measurably poorer legibility at small sizes on displays at current resolution (even iphone resolution) than custom-designed screen fonts.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
they should have paid the profit they make in ten seconds to get someone to make an italic lucida grande, and used that
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Think the original iPhone review had boke-worthy bits about how "elegant" it all looked because it was in Helvetica.
i guess it does look elegant compared to OS X, and if your stock in trade is poring over apple runes it's an interesting decision. it's a terrible decision though.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
Xposts otm. Even Geneva would've been better for the tiny text. Lucida ideal. Am hoping for new fonts w/iPhone HD.
Shit font choices on iBooks too.
― stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
like this dude says, style over substance: http://fontfeed.com/archives/ipad-typography/. apple does not deserve that criticism as often as windows people would make out in the 90s, when it used to be the narrative about apple, but helvetica as the system font on iphone, and the time machine UI are examples for all time.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
That link is great. Dead right about the iBooks fonts and settings, and Helvetica in the UI.
― stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
found it via http://blog.fawny.org/2010/04/12/appletype/, which is another great rant
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok that fontfeed link was really helpful. think the lack of hyphenation is going to be worse for readability that the font choices though, especially since ibooks is going to be on the iphone. they should just buy out the guy who made the eucalyptus app.
― joe, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Even Geneva would've been better for the tiny text. Lucida ideal."Are there mockups? I'm not feeling the lucida.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's the system font on OS X, yeah. or do you mean iphone/pad mockups?
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
for iphone. helvetica bold seems fine to me. only looks weird for large things like the clock.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
there are so many fonts which are better than fine for this purpose.
― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'd bet the few fonts I would like better might be less everyone's cup of tea than helvetica.what y'all think of espi sans?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
yuck!
kinda glad you posted that link just because i wasn't sure what the term was for "full justification", i really always hate seeing that - the bad kind of form over function
― Nhex, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
Chicago > Charcoal > Espy Sans
― stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 23:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
any cambridge based software engineers want a free ipad?http://www.red-gate.com/careers/free_ipad.htm
― Steve Sharta (cozen), Friday, 23 April 2010 12:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
so apparently the new camera connector kit acts as a pseudo-USB port. most exciting is that it apparently supports usb audio.
― dyªº (dyao), Sunday, 25 April 2010 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Where do we go to make fun of the gizmodo dude getting a visit from the cops
― mayor jingleberries, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 01:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
the worst consequence of this is the feeling of smugness that this is going to give gawker, a bunch of nerds going "see we got busted by the cops, told you we're legit, we're doing serious journalism here"
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 01:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah because if theres one thing you couldnt find on gawker media sites before now, it was smugness
― max, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
:}
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
smugness aside and all, that raid seems like pure bullshit.
― akm, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
probably gruber called it in
― cozen, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
he is getting more tiresome by the day about this
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
The agents who searched Chen's home were from REACT; Apple sits on their steering committee.
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 08:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp, seriously. His "show me the case law" in response to the EFF.
― caek, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 08:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
react website is like snowcrash scary
― kill whiney (cutty), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
man I don't know which dog to pick in this fight, on one hand I don't want gruber et. al to get any more sanctimonious but on the other hand I really wanna see gawker get dinged
― Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a ILXing! (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 14:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
I like how the REACT site uses a Star Trek font. I wonder if they paid for it.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 18:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
i hate apple but i need a new mac just the same. help a not-computer-savvy brother out.
which are the new processors that they're putting in some of the macbook pros? does it make a difference whether it has an intel core i5 or i7?
also--these things don't come with VGA dongles anymore? i need to buy one of those? wtf.
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 29 April 2010 01:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
also--anyone have the hi-res screen? any problems w/ it?
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 29 April 2010 01:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just got the i5 15 w/ hi-res antiglare.
conventional wisdom says i7 is not worth it. Save your money and put it towards ram, and/or buy an SSD in a year. That's my plan...in a year or two I'll double the ram, then a year after that I'll get an SSD when they're cheap(er).
Hi-res screen is fine...some people complain fonts are too small. I haven't used it that much. When surfing the web I'm more inclined to increase the fonts in safari when it's on my lap, but doesn't seem a problem at a more normal distance.
For me the trade-off is palettes. I can use every bit of space I can get for InDesign and Digital Performer.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 29 April 2010 02:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
is there a notable increase in quality of e.g. DVD video on the hi-res screen?
apple charges an arm and a leg for additional RAM, but i suppose i could buy that from a 3rd party (although does it void the warranty if you do the install yourself?).
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 29 April 2010 02:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
is antiglare better for your eyes? or is just a matter of preference?
doesn't void warranty, replacing ram is dead easy on a mb
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Thursday, 29 April 2010 02:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
matter if preference. don't think either is particularly good for your eyes xp
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Thursday, 29 April 2010 02:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
there are tons of threads on glossy vs. matte for displays. here's the crux, distilled:
glossy - leads to richer, more saturated colors, if you can tilt the screen at an angle so that light sources are reflected away from your eyes. if you use your macbook in a room with lots of incident light sources it may be impossible to find a good angle.
matte - all light is absorbed and scattered by the matte coating, regardless of where it's coming from. this can lead to a washed-out look and colors are more subdued. however it's more usable in places with bad lighting (i.e. offices)
ftr I vastly prefer my mbp's glossy screen to my old powerbook's matte screen. best would be to go to the apple store and see if you like it.
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Thursday, 29 April 2010 03:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
good call. thanks.
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 29 April 2010 03:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
as mentioned, installing ram doesn't void warranty and can be found cheaper elsewhere.... macsales.com (OWC) and Crucial are good places to start.
Generally speaking, colors are more saturated on the glossy and watching movies tends to look better, so if watching DVDs is going to be a major activity, glossy is probably preferred, though that's not to say the anti-glare is no good. I'm a print designer, so glossy screens accentuation of colors is not a good thing.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
another good bet is to use Crucial to find out the exact specs (speed, pin number) of the RAM you need to get, and look for it at newegg - it'll often be a little cheaper being sold as generic PC laptop memory, but it's the same exact thing
― Nhex, Thursday, 29 April 2010 05:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
...and there are plenty of demonstrations of installing ram on youtube...I probably wouldn't have had the confidence to go ahead on my iMAC from the written instructions alone.
― Bob Six, Thursday, 29 April 2010 06:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
newegg is where I've gotten hard-drives for my mac pro...really cheap boxless OEM drives that have worked great.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 29 April 2010 12:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah the wd scorpio "blue" drive I got is great and was cheap.
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Thursday, 29 April 2010 12:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
installing ram on an iMac is simple.
― kill whiney (cutty), Thursday, 29 April 2010 12:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dude needs a blog:
Conclusions.Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice. Flash is a successful business for Adobe, and we can understand why they want to push it beyond PCs. But the mobile era is about low power devices, touch interfaces and open web standards – all areas where Flash falls short.The avalanche of media outlets offering their content for Apple’s mobile devices demonstrates that Flash is no longer necessary to watch video or consume any kind of web content. And the 200,000 apps on Apple’s App Store proves that Flash isn’t necessary for tens of thousands of developers to create graphically rich applications, including games.New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind.Steve JobsApril, 2010
Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice. Flash is a successful business for Adobe, and we can understand why they want to push it beyond PCs. But the mobile era is about low power devices, touch interfaces and open web standards – all areas where Flash falls short.
The avalanche of media outlets offering their content for Apple’s mobile devices demonstrates that Flash is no longer necessary to watch video or consume any kind of web content. And the 200,000 apps on Apple’s App Store proves that Flash isn’t necessary for tens of thousands of developers to create graphically rich applications, including games.
New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind.
Steve JobsApril, 2010
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 29 April 2010 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
loooooooooooool at Steve Jobs espousing an open standard
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Thursday, 29 April 2010 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
so...
if i'm primarily doing video work (making clips, editing video, watching hi-res video...) -- will the 512 MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M really be much better than the 256 MB? (likewise the i7 vs. the i5.) not sure if it's worth the $150 difference.....
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 29 April 2010 19:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
I would say it is worth it, particularly as Grand Central and OpenCL get more widely used. FCP should make decent use of that extra graphics RAM .
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 29 April 2010 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok, i'll go for it. damn, this is adding up to like $2600. bastards.
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 29 April 2010 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
not to mention photoshop, premiere, etc. licenses. ack.
yeah the cheek of it! i'd be more outraged if i didn't 100% support making flash obsolete haha
i still can't use my iPod on linux thanks steve!
― pollos da don (tpp), Thursday, 29 April 2010 21:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
hey dudes. do you have a preferred nice-lookin' sleeve for your macbook?
here are some options:
http://www.colcasac.com/
http://foofshop.com/
http://www.fabrixcases.com/v2/shop/laptop/
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
I have one of these and I love it
http://www.etsy.com/shop/byrdandbelle
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
nice, but very expensive...
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm digging this one: http://www.colcasac.com/red.html
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
have a foof one my brother gave me. it's great
― p-dog, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm looking for a sleeve for a MBP 13 too. Most of them seem pretty soft (one reviewer called them beer cozy's), so I'm looking at this one: http://www.booqbags.com/laptop-backpacks-laptop-bags/13-inch-macbook-bags/Vyper-XS3-macbook-sleeve
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm on my second vyper fwiw
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
(clarification: not because they wear out but because I like them and the one for my Powerbook G4 doesn't fit the unibody MBP)
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just bought a boring incase neoprene one, didn't see some of these fancier ones, though I don't know if I'd want them...though a little pocket for power would've been nice.
― dan selzer, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm going to keep the computer in a bigger bag most of the time i'm out, i just want something nice to keep it in and then to put between it and some cruddy table.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
in that case get something that you won't mind dirtyin up
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
i always say Spire USA - waterproof, durable, well-made, well thought out -
http://www.spireusa.com/products/laptop-sleeves.htm
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
when they make a new nano? or a ipod touch that gots a frickin video camera in HD
― Latham Green, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
hello Hanle y !!!!!
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hallo!
― Latham Green, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
£429 for ipad then
― stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
ooft
― manish pseud (cozen), Friday, 7 May 2010 16:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
damn i was just thinking 'yeah i could really go for one of these'
― I had gained ten lewis (ledge), Friday, 7 May 2010 16:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
tempting
― former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Please educate yourself. UK prices must by law include VAT, which is around 18%. US prices do not include tax.
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Sunday, 9 May 2010 14:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
amateurist you don't need serious graphics card horsepower to edit/watch video. only if you're rendering graphics and doing tons of 3d and transitions and stuff.
― sir gaga (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 May 2010 15:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/11/green-day-rip-this-jointhttp://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/11/cameron
ladies and gentlemen, mr john gruber.
― caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
this guy
― stet, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha
― joe, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
he has reliably terrible conservative yuppie oneswhat do you mean?― ksh, Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:10 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ksh, Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:10 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this.
― caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
― sir gaga (s1ocki), Sunday, May 9, 2010 10:14 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
thanks! i might get the middle-of-the-road 15" model, then, and use the $150 difference on some software.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
i mean there is a small difference in the processor speed, 2.53 versus 2.66. will i really notice that though?
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
no...you will notice more of a difference switching between the various architectures I think? anyway you don't want to play starcraft 2 with all of us ? :(
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't even know what starcraft 2 is
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
"switching between architectures"
what does this mean?
walkin from the house to the gazebo
― rapping about space and shit, floatin’ around in an orgy of screen savers (gbx), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
difference between i5 and i7, i7's are supposed to be on some giant killing shit.
my philosophy has always been to buy the best available @ the time, as you'll be using the thing for 4-5 years and you want to futureproof yourself as much as possible. unless you're the kind of guy who likes to upgrade all the time
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
congratulations to the tories
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp especially with macs - the only thing you can generally upgrade is the RAM (often cheaper from other stores) and sometimes the internal HD, otherwise you WILL be stuck with whatever you have
― Nhex, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 03:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
true, but I've never noticed a huge difference in processor speed, not enough to be worth the price. If you can afford it, great, but if you're looking to save money, getting the slightly slower processor but maxing out the ram/getting an SSD, will make more of a difference.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
that is true - looking at the benchmarks it looks like the i7s have about a 10% edge over the i5s, but even the i5 is leaps and bounds over the last generation.
http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/04/15/core.i5.more.than.sufficient/
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 04:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
however I still think the i7 option is worth it for the doubling of graphics card memory - iirc one of the moves apple is making for future revisions of the OS is to dump more processing onto the GPU.
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 04:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
you bastards are confusing me.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
get an ipad.
― sir gaga (s1ocki), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
What we appear to be looking at is a brand new input device that Apple has dreamed up which connects to desktops (and laptops, if you like) via Bluetooth, much like the Apple Keyboard. If you take what you see in the photos at face value, it would seem that the folks in Cupertino are making a play for finger-based input in a big way -- taking the work they've done on Mac laptops and the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad, and translating it to the desktop realm.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 08:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
huge difference between just a big-ass trackpad and a screen you can touch imo.
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 11:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
are we getting iphone today?
― idg 77 per cent of SNs (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 11:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
upgrade macbook air and free mobileme?http://gfestblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/iphone-hd-annouced-tomorrow-leaked.html
― idg 77 per cent of SNs (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 11:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Magic trackpad would be a winner in my book. Even with my magic mouse I am always reaching for the trackpad to zoom things, exposé etc.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 7 June 2010 12:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can see it being useful -- I use a docked laptop at work w/mouse and still use trackpad for scrolling, but if they make OS X go all "touch" I'll be miffed.
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 12:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
They'll announce the new iPhone today. Prob be available next week? I'm going to have to skip this one though and wait till 2011.
― Jeff, Monday, 7 June 2010 12:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just want the iPhone os upgrade.
Lappy is on a riser to make the screen level with the big one and so I'm down for putting money on that straight away.
new phone time and my blackberry has not ceased to annoy me in the last 6 months so it looks like iPhone for me.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 7 June 2010 12:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
MobileMe for free is a big one for me, I hope that's true. Paid for it before and liked it, especially the seamless, over-the-air syncing. But I figured £60 was a bit much for that, given that thanks to gmail and dropbox I wasn't using the mail account or iDisk.
― scotstvo, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
I agree w/stet - they really could do w/divesting some functionality from itunes to try improve performance
I want a version of itunes that is ONLY an MP3 player
― ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 16:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
keynote in wave btw (thanks again stet)http://liveblog.macobserver.com/
― ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 16:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
The iPhone model is better: separate MP3 player, app store and iTunes store. Bundling them all together into one app is stupid enough, but then making that app also the only way of getting stuff into and out of iPhone/iPad is just ludicrous.
(Doesn't help that it's a beachbally heap of ancient code, either. Think it's the oldest app Apple is still shipping.)
The whole idea of the digital hub is fucked now anyway: having to be tethered to one particular PC made sense in 2001, but is daft now. Music and info shld be in the cloud. Spotify-like
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
also watching http://www.macrumorslive.com/ and http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010/?sort=newest&refresh=60
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
GET READY
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jason Chen:I’m making my way through the Blu-ray set of Season 1 of Fringe and it hits me that watching shows on Blu-ray with its higher-quality video is really the way to go. Provided you can stand waiting a year between the time it airs and the time you consume it.
I’m making my way through the Blu-ray set of Season 1 of Fringe and it hits me that watching shows on Blu-ray with its higher-quality video is really the way to go. Provided you can stand waiting a year between the time it airs and the time you consume it.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
u_u
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
Just waiting for him to go out for a doughnut in about 10 minutes.
YOUR BOYS, MAYBE! DON'T IMPLICATE ME IN YOUR "OUR"
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
is there a live stream anywhere?
― cutty, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cites an email he got about a guy agreeing the iPad is magical because it got a girl interested in him at a cafe.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
is there a live stream anywhere?― cutty, Monday, June 7, 2010 1:05 PM (1 minute ago)
― cutty, Monday, June 7, 2010 1:05 PM (1 minute ago)
Video? I doubt it.
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
How did Jason Chen get in?!
― scotstvo, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
I mean, Twit's doing live commentary, but: http://live.twit.tv/
It's only video of the pundits, not the presentation.
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jason Chen didn't get in?
these guys are trying to get one uphttp://www.justin.tv/guysfromqueens
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ustream appears to be down, maybe that's why no-one's broadcasting it.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/apr/1004fk8d5gt/1004767kjhgoiashdbnv_0650_ref.mov
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
Scrub that, it's apparently last year.
uh that's not today's presentation
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
Netflix!
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
fuk PDFs in iBooks, how about Georgia or some other font that doesn't like like bitmapped ass?
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
look like even
lol Jobs "the reception on the old iPhone was shitty, but we blamed AT&T for all those years"
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
Screen on that is lush. Makes iPad look like a Mac Classic
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
RETINA DISPLAY IT'S THE SAME AS FINE PRINTED PAPER
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's built out of retinas, kind of crazy
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.retinadisplay.com is already taken, somebody is quick on the draw.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
Engadget: "10:42AM "Okay, we're going to switch over to some backups here, I have a feeling we might have the same problem..." Deadly silent here. Oooh, error ballon about the dock connector! "Well geez..." Wow."
O_O
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
LOL TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES
― cutty, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
iphone 4 will end your complaints about 3g service, replace them with wifi errors
― joe, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
magical and revolutionary Wifi errors
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
Seven years of real world battery usage per retina display pixel, as long as you don't install any Adobe products on your desktop.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
my pacemaker was running flash & syncing w/ my iPhone & then it crashed & now I am a ghost so yeah, fuck Flash
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
CAMERA CAPTURES PHOTONS
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
did I step into a hot tub time machine? 5MP camera?!
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
ooh backlit sensor. could finally get decent low light photos from a phone.
― joe, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
HD video recording!
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
cozen, more megapixels usually means a worse image on a sensor as small as a phone.
― joe, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
ja, I'm just kidding
the 3MP camera on the og iphone was pretty good I thought
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
Bet Adobe are glad there's flash on the back of it.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
when's the iPod Shuffle gonna get iMovie? :-/
what a fuckin disaster for this company
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
looool @ James's post, btw
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
shit, what now?
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
ha! engadget have 3G
iOs 4, catchy.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
loooooool
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
they haven't done a live video stream for years. i think it's to do with rights for music, etc. the last one i watched live was the wwdc in 2003.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
iTunes 4 cloud plz
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
326dpi is what i am talking about
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
cmon' cloud music
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
fuckin iAds
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
i mean, they're cool, but i'd rather have some iTunes cloud service tbh
you know this is a developer's conference, right?
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Always wanted banner ads on my retina display, punching the monkey to capture photons.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
you know this is a developer's conference, right?― caek, Monday, June 7, 2010 2:23 PM (2 minutes ago)
― caek, Monday, June 7, 2010 2:23 PM (2 minutes ago)
\(O_o)/
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
develop me some cloudmusic!
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
developers need to start thinking about cloud and not expect me to be sitting near a Mac and pressing "sync" all the time as well, tbf
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
otm
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
not really a problem this room full of ex-windows-user iphone devs are going to fix
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
: (
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
no ichat argh
― cutty, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
HERE WE GO
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ive?
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
VIDEO CALLING FTL
looool
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
video chat.. as if the front facing camera didn't give that one away
― 0xCAFED00D (LOLK), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
i pretty much never want to see anybody's face when i'm talking to them, thanks
WHO EVEN WANTS THIS FEATURE
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
do not want
― 0xCAFED00D (LOLK), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
LOLZ
― cutty, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
if this thing doesn't do fuckin teleportation then it can burn in hell
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
i bet the kind of people who say "facetime" want this
― joe, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
video chat "a dream until now", ha. big whoop.
i unsubscribed from gruber today. he really has been an unmitigated stream of shit for the past six months or so.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
caek, you dropped DF? you really think it's that bad??? O_O
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
Wake me up when the cloud can handle terabytes of data.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
video chat is pretty cool but iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 only & WiFi only = bleh
― Euler, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gruber is still 1000x Andy Inatko even in his flustering "Android is a porn-infested hellscape" mode of recent times.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
we've done this before, but yeah, he hasn't broken any news, his editorial insights are either slight or infuriatingly sanctimonious, there is a really unpleasant air of triumphalism, and all the fucking bullshit he links to is not interesting to me.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
last sentence of http://daringfireball.net/2010/06/one_year was the last straw for me.
xp, is that larry david's dad?
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
xxp video chat with parents to tell them how to use their macs so they can sync their iphones. who needs the cloud?
― joe, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
hmmm, i dunno -- i still read DF. i like it *shrug*
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
can someone translate the pricing out of yankee fun bucks?
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
1$ = 1£ in apple-land
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dropped DF over a year ago. Haven't changed my mind.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
3GS remains
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
How do you know if the person you try to video call is on wifi?
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
holy shit that white ifone is ugly
― 0xCAFED00D (LOLK), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha!
Wake me up when the cloud can handle terabytes of data.iPhone only holds 32gb, and something like Things you're talking about a few K per user.
caek otm re Windows devs :(
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
facetime: who the fuck wants this shit? Apple talking like it's some living in the future stuff, when it's the same old nonsense 3 were failing to sell 10 years ago. Don't want to see people on the phone, want to do other things while talking.
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
not sure about that re. video chat, though on a mobile I tend to agree (and maybe that's what you're saying); but lately Skype video chats have been the thing, professionally, for me, even with old folks---something's changing wrt the idea of bothering to do a vchat at least
― Euler, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
hahaha "the crossroads of liberal arts and technology"
― 0xCAFED00D (LOLK), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha, otm. someone should make jobs read the chapter in infinite jest about the severe cognitive angst caused by ubiquitous video chat.
i come to wwdc for some next gen filesystem announcement, some kernel messaging stuff, maybe a switch from objc to haskell, not that shit.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's an xp to stet
Elvis, what were your reasons for dropping DF?
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
Caek are you at wwdc? Give us the goss from os state of the union then, go on.
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
no i'm not there : )
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Euler, Monday, June 7, 2010 2:38 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark
how is it supposed to work with older iphones w/o front cams??
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
i still like gruber. he crazy.
i had an "academic guest" pass or something in 2006, but couldn't get the money for the flight together. i do still have my official CDROM of the OS X developer preview though.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
i still like Gruber too. he's a really smart dude
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
was thinking iPhone to Mac would have been nice
― Euler, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
cant have everything in this crazy world.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
massive lol @ Techcrunch putting up 50 linkbait articles about all aspects of the Jobs speech
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/07/apple-we-have-iad-commitments-for-2010-totaling-over-60-million/http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-makes-a-video-call/http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/07/bing-iphone/http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/07/ios/http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/06/07/imovie-on-the-iphone/http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/06/07/iphone-os-4-0-now-ios-is-here/http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4/http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/06/07/iphone/http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/07/zyngas-farmville-comes-to-the-iphone-in-june/http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/07/coming-this-summer-netflix-for-iphone/http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/06/07/what-happened-to-the-ipad-today-a-few-small-things/
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Seriously.
i'm sure they appreciate the google juice
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
or bing
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
price?
― gbx, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Simple attrition. I was trimming things back in my RSS reader and couldn't come up with a reason to keep reading DF. If there's something worth reading over there, usually someone else I read will link to it.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
fair enough
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gawd, the Crunch networks are so lame.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
Zynga Facebook Netflix Google Ariel Pink Best New Music Steve Jobs Apple Mac iOS4 iPad iBooks FaceTime TechCrunch Michael Arrington John Gruber Gyroscope Linkfarm
Even better: http://blogs.channel4.com/news/benjamin-cohen-on-technology/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-launches-the-hd-multi-tasking-apple-iphone-4-complete-with-facetime-video-calling/
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
Steve Jobs HD multi tasking Apple Britney Spears iPhone porn Facetime video sex calling
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Why didn't video phones take off?
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
david foster wallace posted to ILX?
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 7 June 2010 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
not finding an article about iPhone 4 that suits my needs - fuckin scarcity
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
look at this madness:
http://techmeme.com/
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
dfw otm imo
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
ksh, stop polluting your cerebellum with that shit.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
read ilx instead!
You don't read Techmeme? What's another good place to get tech news? :-/
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
pitchfork.com
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 7 June 2010 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
seriously tho, how much more news do you need about this
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 7 June 2010 20:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
you don't need tech news. take a holiday for two weeks, catch up with your blogs in one day, see how much of it actually mattered. cross-post to you posting that wired article.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Are they ever going to release an iphone with more than 50 gb hard drives? Want to eventually replace my 80 gb ipod...
― mayor jingleberries, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, you're right caek -- (which Wired article, btw?)
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
atlantic monthly: is GOOGLE making us STOOPID?
dude, stop reading your blogs!
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
which one of you posted this? http://www.metafilter.com/92604/Why-wont-you-call-your-mother-and-let-her-see-you
that dfw post is linked
― Arcade Fire - Rockin' The Suburbs (LOLK), Monday, 7 June 2010 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
hahahaha @ caek
dude i read a lot of blogs & other bs online -- i am 100% part of the problem :-/
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
Not that I read him very much anyway but this did it for me:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/11/cameron
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 June 2010 22:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i think i linked that. great days.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 22:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
blogging is important
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 22:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 22:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
the annoying thing about that is i assume he would be opposed to conservative policies based on his occasional post about U.S. politics, but he's convinced himself that his congratulations are meaningful. not like he literally believes david cameron got the message. more that if he doesn't acknowledge this news with a post (or "essay" as he probably calls them) then his readers will not hear about it.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
I really have no idea why he'd link to something like that either, tbh.
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't think he actually believes "that if he doesn't acknowledge this news with a post (or "essay" as he probably calls them) then his readers will not hear about it," though. Not sure what his posting it means; I'd have to think about it more than I want to, really.
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
That video is horrible. I mean I'm a fanboy, but godddamn I want to punch everyone in it in the face.
― Jeff, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp, no, you're right. its more the assumption that his opinion on this issue will be of interest to sentient adults
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I think you're hitting on something there -- there really is no rationale for a post like that to end up on DF. Sure it's his personal blog, but it's clearly a blog of a particular type, and a post like that has way more to do with his signaling stuff about himself than it does about saying anything useful.
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
totes.
― caek, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
still he just posted this, which cheered me up http://www.flickr.com/photos/gruber/4680380848/
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
also looks like iBooks is no longer glaring white
― stet, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
I hate how in the iBooks app, it is made to look like a book, with the stacked pages on the side, and the shadow leading to the center crease. I want ebooks, because it doesn't have those distractions. I don't want to replicate the act of reading a real book, I want to eliminate the visual distractions. Kindle app is much better.
― Jeff, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
― stet, Tuesday, June 8, 2010 12:18 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
but can ibooks do quotes and apostrophes properly now?
re: gruber on tories, think he's being sarcastic: the "unusual elections" he's comparing it to must be 2000/2004 not 2008. of course you might still think he should stfu.
― joe, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Why can't pre-order yet?
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 7 June 2010 23:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
I
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 7 June 2010 23:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
June 15th, isn't it?
New Safari's out. Has Reader which is pretty nice (same as Readability bookmarklet basically) and extensions. Can't make any, need a "safari developer certificate". Here we go again.
― stet, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
anyone know what options someone might have if they got an iPhone at the AT&T store yesterday?
(lulz etc but a friend did this yesterday without consulting me. i know if you order from apple in a two-week window before you get obsoleted they'll usually let you exchange but i'm not sure what the deal would be in this case)
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
all I know is that I eligible for the upgrade price. how to shot selling current phone in ebay
― gbx, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
idk but o2 in the UK is offering £197 or something to recycle an iPhone 3G so that probably makes an iPhone 4 almost free w/ contract.
― joe, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
thanks for the Safari 5 heads up -- downloading now
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
how to shot selling current phone in ebay
Not selling my old EDGE iPhone - as soon as I get a new iPhone, my old one gets jailbroken and consigned to drum machine/synthesizer duty.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
Load of developer updates going up, including iTunes 9.2. Also release notes say the iPhone 4 doesn't use Helvetica anymore. (cheers cheers)
― stet, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
hopefully iphone4 will distract everybody from ipad 3g and let some stock build up
― fruiting bodies of minds in agony (dyao), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 01:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
So the "Reader" functionality in Safari 5 is basically Instapaper?
― mh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
No. It's more like Readibility.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
keeping in mind that "it" = Reader: http://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/15658043858 [Instapaper/Tumblr dev]
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Text bookmarklet" = Instapaper's "Text bookmarklet," which is different from its "Read Later" bookmarklet
Yeah, I loaded up Safari 5 and the functionality is pretty limited.
― mh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
need a "safari developer certificate". Here we go again.
lol ;_;
― caek, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 05:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
SAFARI ADDRESS BAR STILL NOT A SEARCH BAR
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 07:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
with the 3G currently £349 and the 16GB 3GS £449 can we expect the 3GS to be £349 (£249?) and the 16GB 4 to be £449?
― stick em up ლ(-_-ლ) (cozen), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 09:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
anybody want my unlocked 3GS? ...
― fruiting bodies of minds in agony (dyao), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 09:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
my main issue with my 3G is how slow and unresponsive it often gets (am I alone?) - so I don't know how much the iP4 would be worth it for me
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 09:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
my friend says her 3G has the same problem. how much free space do you have left? how many apps do you have installed?
― fruiting bodies of minds in agony (dyao), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 09:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah people have been telling me to get rid of apps and free up some space but I did try that and the phone remained as laggy as before (the weird thing is that this problem appeared progressively over time as if the phone was worn out)
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gruber turns Howard Hughes:
One thing that Apple didn’t mention in the keynote, though, is that the LCD pixels are much closer to the surface of the touchscreen. On existing iPhones (and iPods, and iPads), there is not a lot of distance between the glass surface and the LCD, but there is some. There’s also a very narrow amount of air between the touchscreen glass and the underlying LCD. If you’ve ever got a bit dust under your display, that dust is in the air between the glass and LCD.
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
baaderonix, you might have some luck from doing a reinstall and restore. also if your total free space on the phone is, say, less than 1 GB, that may also cause problems.
― fruiting bodies of minds in agony (dyao), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 11:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
thanks dyao - yeah I generally try to keep 2GB free but I might do an overall restore and see if that helps.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 12:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
My 3G is laggy as hell too, I got it replaced because it was bugging me so much and I'd restored it a few times and all that. But my new one is pretty much the same now too.
I used my friends 3GS and it made me sad to see how it was all supposed to run. Really smoothly. Honestly I just think that's how 3G's are going to be with each successive new OS/software etc. I mean telling you its because of apps or that one thing is causing the phone to be slow is some bullshit. It just feels like an old computer struggling to run the new stuff people are coming out with. Sure, it can technically run it, but not without a bit of a struggle. Seems more disheartening with a phone though. The whole thing kinda runs like using the 'all windows' function in exposé when you've got way too many open... (apparently having 11 firefox windows open each with multiple tabs slows things down some, who knew?)
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 12:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
my 3g only gets slow if i accidentally check mail in the bg while i'm trying to do something else, which is easy to do if you "turn it on" and it's in the mail app
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 12:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I'm afraid I have to agree with Suedey. The 3G really feels like a sad old compaq 386 struggling to keep up. Yet this phone is what, two years old? ah modern times...
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
just dont check your email and do something else! i swear! mine works great when that's not happening!
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
maybe you just don't know what 'great' truly is
― fruiting bodies of minds in agony (dyao), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
never check your email or your bank balance.
― caek, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
most irritating lag is when texting and the stuff you type comes out in a blurb 10 seconds later - and then realizing that you need to go back to correct a typo with that annoying magnifier.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
i swear most of the time mine is laggy is cuz it's doing something in the bg, which = email checkin'
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
I only check the mail manually no fetch , no push.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
although I have plenty of apps pushing stuff - so am I expected to turn this off for the phoen to work? Might as well dig out my nokia 6600 then
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
i check it manually too. but if you put your phone to sleep while it's in mail, then re-open it to make a call or wtv, it will auto-check for mail.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
I like to watch it struggle to try and understand what to do when I get an incoming call and I'm like, playing a game or doing anything
If it's really going for it I'm pretty someone could get my voicemail before even get a good opportunity to answer
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
As long as you dont use any of the things you're basically fine tho
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm always disappointed at the irregularity of things actually getting pushed at me any. If this a fault of the specific app or the phone?
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
As nice as this new phone looks, I can't ugrade until there is something better than the 3g network out there. Nothing drives me crazier than having an awesome new phone and it spins its wheels on the cellular data connection.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
Actually kinda worried about what the new OS is gonna do to my 3G. Multitasking sounds great but uh...
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
no multi for 3g
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
so tempted to unload my iphone on craigslist, ugh
― ⚖ on my truck (dyao), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
RETINA SCREEN, do you see
Oh, didnt notice multi wasnt even on 3G. Makes sense but it's kinda sad. Your phone isn't even capable of multitasking! It might break!
I wonder when they'll let me upgrade. I have somehow made a habit of buying Apple products at only the most foolish times.
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
well it's NOT capable of it... i mean if you're complaining about performance now
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
u can't have everything dog.
No I know, I just meant it's kinda sad that it's not even capable of it! It still feels kind of fast for it to start lagging so far behind to me.
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
just doesn't have the RAM iirc
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
they are pushing it into 3G users' faces now to upgrade to 4, and anyone who got it at launch should be eligible for upgrade around now right?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
no multitasking? yeah that phone is now a true dinosaur...
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
time for ram upgrades for phones imo
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
in the form of really bulky add ons
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ⚖ on my truck (dyao), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
YES
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
I also want the ram expansion to be only 4mb
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
a massive 1009k of ram! share it between your iphones!
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah but what if, for example, you got your phone at the wrong time... you know, like an idiot, because you were all fuck waiting for a 3GS, I want a new phone right now! I mean, I'm fine with waiting, I just dont want my phone to be creaking to a halt because it's struggling to handle anything anymore. I mean mainly I just wonder how I can get out of the cycle where I'll be eligible to upgrade a month before the next new phone is released while retaining an actual phone to use.
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
I got a 3gs last November-ish, and am kind of considering seeing if I can sell it to a friend when these new ones come out. I've turned back into a consumer whore for electronics, though.
― mh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah I'm wondering for how much I could dump my 3G here in Belgium where I -lol- payed full price for it (since tied sales are banned here)...
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 15:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
i was over halfway done with a 2gb file download when i decided to mess around with safari extensions. safari crashed and now the download begins again. fUCK MY LIFE
― TeRRaFuGiA FLYinG CaR - ELeCTRiC DReaMs - PHiLiP OaKLeY / GiorGiO MoRoDeR (LOLK), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 23:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
gruber as an armchair typographer is especially painful to read
There’s a reason why most page layout programs considered “Hyphenation and Justification” to be two aspects of the same feature. I strongly agree that you should never use justification without good hyphenation — let alone without any hyphenation at all.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/09/powazek-reader
― gay sauna manthems (LOLK), Thursday, 10 June 2010 04:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh god it hurts
― oɔsıqɐɔs (s1ocki), Thursday, 10 June 2010 04:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
not a typographer so what's facepalming about that?
― ⚖ on my truck (dyao), Thursday, 10 June 2010 04:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
The iPhone 4 has an outstanding display... and I'm glad that Apple resisted the emotional rush to OLEDs because they still need lots of improvement before they will be ready to compete with the highly refined IPS LCDs. The iPhone 4 display should be comparable to the outstanding IPS LCD in the Motorola Droid, which I tested and compared to the Nexus One OLED, which was trounced by the Droid.Steve Jobs claimed that the iPhone 4 has a resolution higher than the retina - that's not right:1. The resolution of the retina is in angular measure - it's 50 Cycles Per Degree. A cycle is a line pair, which is two pixels, so the angular resolution of the eye is 0.6 arc minutes per pixel.2. So if you hold an iPhone at the typical 12 inches from your eyes, that works out to 477 pixels per inch. At 8 inches it's 716 ppi. You have to hold it out 18 inches before it falls to 318 ppi.So the iPhone has significantly lower resolution than the retina. It actually needs a resolution significantly higher than the retina in order to deliver an image that appears perfect to the retina.It's a great display, most likely the best mobile display in production (and I can't wait to test it) but this is another example of spec exaggeration.
Steve Jobs claimed that the iPhone 4 has a resolution higher than the retina - that's not right:
1. The resolution of the retina is in angular measure - it's 50 Cycles Per Degree. A cycle is a line pair, which is two pixels, so the angular resolution of the eye is 0.6 arc minutes per pixel.
2. So if you hold an iPhone at the typical 12 inches from your eyes, that works out to 477 pixels per inch. At 8 inches it's 716 ppi. You have to hold it out 18 inches before it falls to 318 ppi.
So the iPhone has significantly lower resolution than the retina. It actually needs a resolution significantly higher than the retina in order to deliver an image that appears perfect to the retina.
It's a great display, most likely the best mobile display in production (and I can't wait to test it) but this is another example of spec exaggeration.
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 10 June 2010 08:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
So, did anyone actually manage to pre-order one yesterday?
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 09:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
(xp) iphone resolution debunking debunked, kinda:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/resolving-the-iphone-resolution/
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 10:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
So far so good. Need to change my prepaid AT&T plan to a post-paid one first (doing this tomorrow), but I do have a 32GB on the way
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 10:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
I managed to order a 32GB one from AT&T at about 8am yesterday. Coincided nicely with the arrival of my 7th (6th replacement) Blackberry Bold.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 10:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
I was gonna but I'll wait to see if the O2 sets are subsidised at all
― cozen, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 10:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Orange have announced their prices and tariffs now.
Is it worth an extra £100 for 16GB more memory. I'll still be using my iPod for the gym/car etc so will probably only be using the phone for browsing, streaming & gaming
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
personally, no, but then I've only ever bought the lowest capacity of any apple goods and manually managed media from there
good to see the payg phones are lower than the apple stock price; hopefully O2 will try to undercut
― cozen, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
I got a spot to pick up at the apple store, but I'm not optimistic that is actually going to work. Especially because I need two of them and the reservation only guarentees one. Plus the lines are going to be fraking insane at the Michigan Ave store.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
Also really annoying that they will only ship to your billing address. The address I am never at during time when mail comes.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
I bought the 32gb last time and have ... 14gb available. It's not big enough to hold all my iTunes, and I can't be faffed with making playlists etc, so I don't bother. Spotify handles all the rest.
Am going to get the 16gb this time I reckon, and probably from Apple. Fuck these monster tarriffs and 24-mo contracts imo
― stet, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
payg w/O2 simplicity £15 per month 300mins & 300txts and unlimited internet for me
― cozen, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
does Orange have something like simplicity?
― stet, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
no idea :)
― cozen, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
― cozen, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:43
Capped at 500MB now isn't it?
http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html
And can you get a micro-sim on simplicity? A friend got blank looks from staff at an O2 shop yesterday when he asked that question.
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
you can cut up your old sim tho no? thought the 500MB cap wasn't coming in for a while? iunno, I'm currently on that simplicity deal
― cozen, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ah, think the cap is only for new contracts. So if you've got a number of months left on your simplicity contract they'll honour the unlimited 3G data
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
orange has pay monthly sim only in various configurations: i use the racoon one.
http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/price-plans/pay-monthly/sim-only
― jed_, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm really struggling with the 16gb capacity so 32gb is looking really attractive. Will the phone be thicker though?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
no, it's thinner
you can just cut an ordinary sim to make a micro-sim? Top.
― stet, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
yuphttp://lifehacker.com/5532554/trim-a-sim-card-into-a-microsim-for-ipads-and-other-devices
― cozen, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
― groovypanda, Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
I bought a 32 GB last time and like stet...have 16 gigs free atm. the original thinking was to use the extra space for storing TV episodes, etc., but it turns out that watching video on an iPhone is not that pleasant of an experience.
I wonder how most DVD media @ 480p will look on an iPhone 4 which has more than twice the resolution
― world cop (dyao), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
magic, tx
― stet, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
New iTunes has fixed slow cover art scrolling, it must be compressing all the too large images I added myself.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 17 June 2010 05:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
having been loyal to blackberry for quite a few years now i'm thinking of jumping ship. the new bold is terrible and has all kind of problems (internet browsing is useless, connection cuts out, os constantly hangs + crashes). but i'm worried about the impact of owning an iPhone on my personal brand and more importantly i'm still not sold on touch screen technology. the thought of how greasy the thing will get just freaks me out! and most ppls iphones seem to end up with cracked screens somehow or other. is it really possible to type fast on these things?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
if i buy an iphone will ppl assume i read the guardian and listen to bbc 6 music?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
what do ppl assume of blackberry users?
― stofu (cozen), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
i dunno that they r super important?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm mostly kidding btw but in my experience buying apple gear has made me the subject of ridicule from ppl at work (hardcore unix geeks etc)
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
ridicule from hardcore unix geeks = you must be doing something right
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
heh true. i'm generally pro-apple but i know many ppl who regard buying apple computers as essentially an exercise in vanity.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
also hardcore unix geeks >>>>>>>>>>>>> hardcore apple geeks any day
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
osx is based on unix so what's the conflict? new iphones have much stronger glass/touch is probably better than android based phones in terms of responsiveness. the screen does look like a greasy mess especially if you take a call on a hot day after having sweated for a bit. in fact NIVEA's new ad campaign here is based on the fact that your phone won't get greased up by skin oils after taking calls if you use their face wash.
still am only so-so with iphone keyboard after about a year, don't really use it to send emails or post to ILX too often.
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
gonna try and have a play with one i think. blackberry is amazing for typing but really that is it.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
NIVEA's new ad campaign here is based on the fact that your phone won't get greased up by skin oils after taking calls if you use their face wash.
one small step towards the enslavement of humanity imo
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
WHY ISN"T NIVEA IN THE GULF RIGHT NOW
― Jeff, Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
So what apps do I need, other than the google ones, Evernote, Papers?
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://itunes.apple.com/app/vuvuzela-world-cup/id349168254?mt=8
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
simplenote is pretty shweet
dropbox
― delanie griffith (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
instapaper is croosh
drop7
― delanie griffith (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
(best game ever created by a member of humanity)
Reeder
― stet, Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp i have been playing drop7 for almost a year and not gotten bored or felt the need to get another iphone game
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's insane eh!!!
― delanie griffith (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm installing iOS4 right now.
― JimD, Thursday, 17 June 2010 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
Actually I've already installed it, I'm just waiting for my apps etc to restore themselves over.
― JimD, Thursday, 17 June 2010 17:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
osx is based on unix so what's the conflict?
Professional jealously perhaps? At least that's been my experience when I can install packages with MacPorts significantly faster than it takes one of the snobs to sort out their config files.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 17 June 2010 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
ayo i love it and am a maintainer of my own little package (if you've used a2ps on macports then please paypal me $), but macports is a piece of shit compared to debian.
― caek, Friday, 18 June 2010 00:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
i still play drop7 daily. like whoa.reeder is essential as well, stet otmwords with friends, cia factbook, wikipanion, that's about all i use. should delete the other hundred apps i never open
― 156, Friday, 18 June 2010 00:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
but macports is a piece of shit compared to debian
I'll give you that, but I also have to deal with clients who have Solaris and still believe Linux to be a not-serious OS for hackers. (yes I KNOW I KNOW)
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 18 June 2010 02:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
I ordered an iphone 4, but the typing promises to be as awful as ever.
― schwantz, Friday, 18 June 2010 02:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
i am typing this on solaris : (
― caek, Friday, 18 June 2010 03:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
The typing is fine! Maybe not as responsive as a buttoned keyboard, but I can post on ilx using iphone or iPad easily these days.
― postmodern infidel(ity) (mh), Friday, 18 June 2010 04:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
So hmm, OS4 feels a lot snappier on my 2yr old 3G, but that could easily just be the snappiness of a freshly restored phone rather than any actual performance improvement - won't know for sure unless it lasts (and I'm probably not going to keep this handset long enough to test that). It's nice to be able to do this though:
and do away with all that side swiping. Beyond folders and the new email client (given that the 3G can't multitask), not much else seems to have changed significantly.
― JimD, Friday, 18 June 2010 07:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
isn't facebook a comms?
― stofu (cozen), Friday, 18 June 2010 07:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
what exactly is new in the email client?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 18 June 2010 08:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
Threaded conversations, and (apparently) multiple accounts in the same inbox (although I've not tested that, last thing I want is work mails popping up as unread on my phone).
Yeah, couldn't decide where to put facebook, but "news" basically means "things I check compulsively several times a day".
― JimD, Friday, 18 June 2010 08:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
have i missed something JimD? where is Zing Touch???
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 June 2010 09:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm glad they've finally added an orientation lock
― stofu (cozen), Friday, 18 June 2010 09:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, how do I shot that? Also can't figure out how to change my desktop background or whatever you want to call it.
Um, heh, sorry but I deleted zing touch. I find ilx works pretty well in safari anyway, and syncs up with the desktop (ie if I read a thread up to a certain point on my phone then switch to my PC, it knows what's new). The app wasn't giving me that. Plus I missed the hollow/filled bullets for new/no-new posts.
― JimD, Friday, 18 June 2010 10:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
― stofu (cozen), Friday, 18 June 2010 10:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
I always found the text wayyyy too small to read on Safari..
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 June 2010 10:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh, apparently it's another one of the things the 3G can't cope with:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=930990
Which is kinda bullshit tbh. Sure, I can accept that the underpowered 3G can't multitask, but locking the orientation can't possibly strain the CPU, and the 3G can still do ipod in the background, so there's really no reason it couldn't have had that basic "pod controls plus screen lock" mini menu popped in there.
This is why I can't find the wallpaper option either.
― JimD, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
― JimD, Friday, June 18, 2010 6:49 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you need to get on the bookmarks bandwagon
― max, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
zing is the best
― dan selzer, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
Nah, not while it's still giving me this:
type Status report
message /ILX/Pages/confirmdeletebookmark.jsp
description The requested resource (/ILX/Pages/confirmdeletebookmark.jsp) is not available.
― JimD, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
sounds like you're still using old-school bookmarking. switch to the modern kind (in preferences) and it'll work again.
― stet, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh wow, I wish I'd complained about that months ago. Thanks stet. :)
― JimD, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah zing made me fully realize the glory of bookmarking. awesome app, altho I never found much use for the desktop version
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 18 June 2010 12:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
I have a new version of the desktop version that's basically a rip-off of the Tweetie for Mac interface that I like a lot for leaving open and watching new threads. It's got a few months of work in it before it's usable for anyone else though, and making Zing Touch multitask comes first
― stet, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
When is iOs4 available to the general public?
― Jeff, Friday, 18 June 2010 13:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
24th iirc
― stet, Friday, 18 June 2010 13:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
are you grabbing a 4G day 1 stet?
― stofu (cozen), Friday, 18 June 2010 13:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
Nah, 3Gs is fine for me, tbh (Think Madchen is tho)
― stet, Friday, 18 June 2010 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm getting a 4G because I skipped the 3GS
― cunty body bean sauce? (HI DERE), Friday, 18 June 2010 14:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
still stuck on OG 3G but inclined to think I shd wait for 5G
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 18 June 2010 14:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's 4 not 4G right?
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Friday, 18 June 2010 14:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
well yeah, but 4G sounds sexier
― cunty body bean sauce? (HI DERE), Friday, 18 June 2010 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't have any particular interest in apple products, but i'm going to enter every thread HI DERE posts to and beseech him to change that display name
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Friday, 18 June 2010 14:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
hahaha
better?
― cunty *bleep* *bleep* *bleep*? (HI DERE), Friday, 18 June 2010 14:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
(just be glad I didn't start a thread while using that)
― HI DERE, Friday, 18 June 2010 14:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
'controversial' moderator dan perry imo
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Friday, 18 June 2010 15:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
where the hell did 'cunty body bean sauce' come from
and why do I not want to eat for the next 75 years
― dyao, Friday, 18 June 2010 16:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm bored, so let's tell a story posting one word at a time.
― HI DERE, Friday, 18 June 2010 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
agree with dayo, btw- the 'cunty' on it's own wasn't the problem, but i really have lost my appetitie.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Friday, 18 June 2010 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm hemmed and hunched in on all sides by folder btw, henche the typos
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Friday, 18 June 2010 16:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ban dom / sub editors
― dyao, Friday, 18 June 2010 16:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
― kenan, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Customer very clearly states what they want, sales representative tells them a lot of useless crap and then acts really condescending. Just like every cell phone store!
BTW I thought it was universally reviewed that the Evo sucks, bad phone for comparison IMO.
― mh, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
so verizon is getting the iphone in january, all but confirmed.
― akm, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
from 2 people.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 22:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
well confirmed by two anonymous sources, so I guess I mean "all but officially confirmed by the companies". anyway I'll hold out on an upgrade until I know what's happening, I'd be happy to get off att and be back on verizon. Or maybe att will become cheaper and better as a result of the competition.
― akm, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 23:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
see if verizons coverage is as good as they claim, and the customer service even marginally better than att, then I'm inclined to wait and then jump ship to an intro pricing deal with them
― flapjackin (gbx), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 23:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
i had pretty similar coverage on verizon as i do on att, but i understand that's not usual
― max, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
you live in nyc
― flapjackin (gbx), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm talking like not losing reception when I don't know I drive through the suburbs or visit my parents
― flapjackin (gbx), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 23:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
wish i had the energy to care abt ur quaint problems
― max, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
tellin u, it's all jug bands and cole porter up in this piece
― flapjackin (gbx), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was sprint for many years then switched to verizon. Dumb phone, but still, I cannot believe the reception I get. I've never lost a call, I can talk in elevators, underground, the occasional subway platform...
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 02:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've been on Verizon for over five years and the only time I had reception issues was when I was in my dorm(s) -- lol college -- but that was the building's fault and not the networks
― http://bit.ly/dwHthS (ksh), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 02:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
or, rather buildings' fault and not the network's
― http://bit.ly/dwHthS (ksh), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 02:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
dying
― cutty, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 02:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't believe these rumours, we've seen them before and I don't think it makes sense for Apple or Verizon (although I'm not sure if I expect them to behave rationally) I am still not convinced there will be a Verizon iPhone heres why:
Even if LTE comes this year it will only be in a few metro areas so the phone will need coverage elsewhere, it has to come in one of two ways:
1) Apple has to put CDMA in the iPhone this means a fairly major redesign to accommodate the new radios, both in terms of chips and possibly in terms of physical package if the antennas on the iPhone 4 don't wrk well with CDMA (different radio frequencies). They will need a whole other engineering team and support infrastructure to answer questions such as 'why can't a browse and make phone calls at the same time?" from users who switch from AT&T in a non LTE area. What's more it is unlikely, given poor experience with 3G that NYC and the Bay Area will be early in the LTE roll out so Apple will not get some of the biggest markets and internal testing off the ground in a timely fashion.
2) Apple puts LTE in the iPhone and Verizon has to buy roaming from AT&T or T-Mobile when users leave LTE areas, which doesn't improve the experience for most users and basically will hand all the profits to a competitor.
I don't doubt Apple has developed and tested CDMA prototypes, always good to have a backup option, but how much pent up demand is there really for a Verizon iPhone, you want an iPhone that badly you can go to AT&T. Having the prototype keeps Verizon on the hook incase the relationship with AT&T goes south and is a stick to extract ridiculous terms from AT&T to maintain exclusivity, almost all of AT&T's subscriber and ARPU growth in recent years is from iPhone.
Finally, Apple is not going to try and drive LTE with the iPhone like it did with USB and the iMac. Different technology, different Apple. USB made sense because it forced Epson and HP to make a cheap change to their printers. LTE is a massive investment and Verizon are more likely to make it quickly if Apple say you can have iPhone when enough of the country is covered with LTE. That rollout is not going to be nearly widespread enough by june 2011 to justify an LTE iPhone.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh, and if Apple want to offer global roaming and CDMA, that's another radio they need to squeeze in there.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
what other GSM networks exist in the US?
― caek, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
T-Mobile
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
by the way my new house gets no 3G or Edge coverage at all. thanks, o2.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe you should blame your house
― pass le corbusier (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
never!
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
my "house" (apartment) is the reason i don't get any service. concrete walls and ceiling.
― cutty, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
thanks, house
― max, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
no thanks, house, actually
― cutty, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 15:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
i don't even get data coverage in my massive tiny, ivy-covered back porch
maybe it's an ivy issue
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
non-issue. just use different ivy.
― caek, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
thanks, ivy
― max, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
anybody use Slingbox or some sort of a similar product? lol @ how complicated this shit is
― ksh, Monday, 5 July 2010 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
all I want to do is to be able to hook something up to my Comcast box that's in one room and watch the TV on a Mac in the other room over our home network! is there an easy way to do this that isn't totally fucking crazy? i'm not installing any whacky open source maybe-this'll-work-if-you-whack-your-monitor-with-a-hammer-and-configure-10,000-obscure-settings blah blah blah
― ksh, Monday, 5 July 2010 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's exactly what slingbox is for, i think
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 July 2010 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
okay, awesome. is that considered the best product to use for this kind of thing?
― ksh, Monday, 5 July 2010 14:21 (2 years ago)