Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

Because Gary Oldman says it's on:

Oldman, who was at Comic-Con to promote "The Book of Eli," was reportedly asked by a Comic-Con attendee when the next film in the series would begin shooting. He told the crowd that the film would go before cameras in 2010, and then quickly added, "But you didn't hear that from me."

...

This isn't the first time Oldman has possibly spoken out of turn about a forthcoming "Batman" film. While promoting "The Dark Knight," Oldman was quoted as saying, "Maybe we don't need the Joker. Because we'll have the Riddler."

please please please don't use the Riddler

A sinister Riddler or Penguin might be pretty excellent. (I thought both Carrey and DeVito did excellent jobs at the campy versions, although I HATED Carrey's costumer.)

That campy tone would be out of place for the new series. I've heard about other villians, not Riddler. Can't recall their names now. . . Dark Mask, maybe? Something about a mask melted onto the villian's face.

DeVito did way better than I would've expected with the character, but even so there's some basic psychology behind that character that provides for some essential drama (he's an archetypal deformed outcast, etc.) The Riddler's got none of that. He's a one-dimensional gag villain, there's no way to make the character plausible or emotionally engaging, because his central characteristic (that he's a compulsive leaver of convoluted clues) is basically really fucking stupid.

Something about a mask melted onto the villian's face.

holding out hope for Clayface

but then most of the moviegoing public are totally unfamiliar with that character

Looks like I was wrong: Riddler (Johnny Depp) and Penguin (Phillip Seymour Hoffman).

Oh, and Cloris Leachman as Catwoman. Oh! Sorry, I meant Cher, maybe.

If you pare The Riddler down to his core, he's basically the dude who's convinced he is smarter than everyone else around him to the degree where he arrogantly thinks he can leave riddles that, when deciphered, will tell people exactly what he's doing but that the people opposed to him are too stupid to figure them out in time. Add onto that some more realistic trappings like maybe the "Die Hard With A Vengeance" diversion idea where the riddles actually lead people AWAY from him rather than towards him and you've got more than enough meat to make a more plausible version of the character than you would expect given his comic book silliness.

probably not going to happen, but I thought that the guy playing Scarecrow in the first one was the best part of this whole franchise ... why doesn't he get a whole movie?

Uh, he got most of the first one and a minor chunk of the second, what more do you want!

Depp as The Riddler also opens up an entire avenue for the character to get over on a combination of intellect and charm, making him more plausible as well.

zack galifinakis as the riddler and seth rogen as the penguin

eh, just seemed like he was on the periphery of the first one (main baddie was Liam Neeson, right?) and was barely in the second. xpost

If you pare The Riddler down to his core, he's basically the dude who's convinced he is smarter than everyone else around him to the degree where he arrogantly thinks he can leave riddles that, when deciphered, will tell people exactly what he's doing but that the people opposed to him are too stupid to figure them out in time

why are you talking shit about Morbs when he's not around?

If it's The Riddler, I expect the moviemakers to take the character to an evil, twisted place (the way they did with The Joker, who was -- admittedly -- a much more menacing character than The Riddler was, but The Riddler could be a wiry, insane little villian too, with the right script and actor).

BTW, Scarecrow was awesome, and they should have given him a bigger role.

Sorry if I'm (more) incoherent (than usual). On vacation. Had a drink.

Looks like I was wrong: Riddler (Johnny Depp) and Penguin (Phillip Seymour Hoffman).

― Daniel, Esq.

please those were "rumored" since TDK went into production. How can they have villains chosen and cast before they have a writer and director signed on?

yeah, biggest laugh/biggest scare in the whole series for me is that "would you like to see my mask" scarecrow scene ...

I did not think Scarecrow was a minor character in "Batman Begins" at all!

So, Depp is going from the Mad Hatter to The Riddler. I think that Depp needs a more low-key role...something that shows he's still ADEPPT at doing a more nuanced, subtle thing. Not another larger-than-life weirdo. It's getting stale. How about Paul Giammatti (spelling?) as the Penguin?

as a villain, I definitely liked the Scarecrow more than Ras Al Guhl... but it would seem weird to resort to him as the central villain for the third film, would be kinda taking a step backward/treading water.

I did not think Scarecrow was a minor character in "Batman Begins" at all!
not minor, but certainly not the center of the action in the way the joker was ...

BTW, I saw The Riddler, at his core, as a paranoid, hyperactive, insecure socoipath. To me, the riddles were a gimmick that fed his ego, and helped him deal with his insecurities and a constant sense of dread and paranoid. To me, he was Batman's most unhinged, insane enemy (now, obv., I think of The Joker in that role, but mostly b/c of the movies).

he was a guy in a question mark costume who told riddles

fuckin english majors!

I think the Joker should be in it if only for one scene, like they did for Scarecrow in Dark Knight. A Johnny Depp cameo as the Joker would be pretty awesome I think.

Dan/Daniel - I would assume they would make the Riddler a darker/more twisted character as well, (certainly the rich tradition of films with serial killers leaving compulsive clues behind - se7en, Zodiac, tons of others - springs to mind), but they would really have to make the character into a violent psychopath who's not in control of his behavior for that to work... and that's already such ridiculous, well-travelled ground that I don't think it would be particularly satisfying. That would basically make it a Dirty Harry movie. With costumes.

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I mean I can see it now...

Gordon: Batman! There's a mysterious serial killer on the loose and he's left clues behind, scrawled in blood on the wall!
Batman: I'm on my way

Me: zzzzzzz

i do not believe these Depp/Hoffman rumours. Too on-the-nose for Nolan.

I remember Mr. Freeze being really awesome on the cartoon Batman show. Scary, tragic.

Even in terms of fictional deaths you're jaded, Shakey Mo.

maybe they'd make the riddler another rich high tech playboy dude but instead of an insane vigilante he's a goofball who steals stuff, i'd be into that

i always liked this guy when i was a kid
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Ventiloquist_000000475.jpg

ha! Pitt should be the riddler, in his Twelve Monkeys guise

would assume they would make the Riddler a darker/more twisted character as well, (certainly the rich tradition of films with serial killers leaving compulsive clues behind - se7en, Zodiac, tons of others - springs to mind), but they would really have to make the character into a violent psychopath who's not in control of his behavior for that to work... and that's already such ridiculous, well-travelled ground that I don't think it would be particularly satisfying. That would basically make it a Dirty Harry movie. With costumes.

wtf are you talking about?

Why can't they take The Riddler in the direction of the "Die Hard" example I gave, namely a smart, ruthless guy who sets up these elaborate riddles and death traps that all lead AWAY from the prosaic-but-audacious-in-size bank robbery that is his real goal? Not everything has to be about psychos eating eyeballs.

also goole OTM: maybe the prosaic turn is to actually keep a lighter tone but make him more of a thrillseeker thief rather than a tortured baby-spiker

ha now i'm waiting for this: the gotham public likes its new lighthearted costumed villain more than its dour costumed protector who, maybe a reality-show celeb media satire vibe (ok no)

Hoffman could do his Capote voice as the Penguin.

Actually, since Batman is taking the fall for the Two-Face rampage and the death of Harvey Dent, maybe you have one villain be the standard crook and the other one be a vigilante going after Batman for being a menace.

Dan's riddler would have to spend most of the movie getting foiled and/or caught then in the finale switcheroo be successful to work as described. That would mean villain wins. Don't know if that would work. Maybe.

Also kudos to danielesque for posting links to rumors from a year ago.

ty, ty.

There were new to me!

I remember Mr. Freeze being really awesome on the cartoon Batman show. Scary, tragic.

yup.

also in this: http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Snow-Dan-Curtis-Johnson/dp/1401212654

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zyPd08SPL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

I'm inclined to think this Depp/Hoffman rumor is bullshit because a) as noted this rumor has been around since before DK was even out, and b) its way more likely that Gyllenhaal will be in the third movie as Catwoman - she's already under contract for three movies, it would fit into the personal transformation/unintended consequences thread of the existing narrative, you don't SEE her die ("cats have 9 lives" lolz). Plus the cat joke/ref in DK.

By all means there could be another villain, but I'll be very surprised if there's no Gyllenhaal as Catwoman.

Depp would be completely non-threatening as the Riddler imo, the best thing about the first two movies was Gary Oldham so as long as he's in the next one i'm happy.

but I'll be very surprised if there's no Gyllenhaal as Catwoman

(a) would look good in costume; (b) would allow her to play the opposite of the character she played in Secretary.

not minor, but certainly not the center of the action in the way the joker was ...

― tylerw, Friday, July 24, 2009 4:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...which was about two-face as much as it was about the joker in exactly the same way as the first one was about ras al ghul as much as it was about the scarecrow!

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only logical choice imo

that dude has problems

Starting with his greasy forelock.

still crossing my fingers for catwoman. bale's on record saying he wants wayne to knock boots, and I think the sex angle is the only novel place to go post-joker - otherwise it's all just crime bosses with goofy fetishes ("I like cold!" "I like alice in wonderland!")

i may have posted this on a thread before, but I'd love to have catwoman call out bale's goofy "argh i'm batman" voice and then have him abandon it, as if finally accepting that wayne is the costume and that batman is the real him.

some other villainy casting ideas i wrote for work a while back

eric roberts didn't actually die, gets really into greek mythology and becomes...maxie zeus!

miley cyrus is a teeage sociopathic joker fan who becomes...harley quinn!

ben foster is a cyberpunk who decides batman is the reason crime bosses are buying funny hats and becomes...anarky!

sly stallone is bane!

maybe you have one villain be the standard crook and the other one be a vigilante going after Batman for being a menace.

http://www.popculturemadness.com/Entertainment/News/Images/Special.jpg

miley cyrus is a teeage sociopathic joker fan who becomes...harley quinn!

YES.

Pretty cool fan-made poster
http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/riddlerpostercopy.jpg

I was typing 'Batman' into Google and after I clicked search I realized I had actually typed 'Batmoon'

Luckily the GIS results were not as bad as I thought they would be

Third Rock From The Sun kid to take over the Joker role. Maggie as Catwoman.

just... "maggie"?

maggie smith

Thatcher. Filming starts tomorrow just in case.

I think bringing in Catwoman would be a good idea, but didn't Gyllenhaal's character die in the Dark Knight? They'd require some major retconning to make her into Catwoman. Also, the enemies/partners + sex + costume fetish thing between Bruce and Selina was done so well in Batman Returns, they'd have to find a new angle to that, otherwise they're just biting Burton. I guess Catwoman being an ex of Bruce's who's pissed off at him for letting Joker (supposedly) kill her could provide that angle.

I think the only way to top the first two films, and a nice left turn and final nail for the trilogy, would be to have the next film as a huge set piece, something like The Long Halloween (but not that), Dog Day Afternoon or Die Hard.

It's all so old hat now. I say turn Batman evil and psychotic. Make Oldman the hero, sympathetic to Batman because of his past help, but single-mindedly focused on reigning him in.

i like mei's idea

The biggest temptation to be overcome is eating from the Multiple Villains tree. Knowing that a series will go that route is like hearing a previously decent band describe the next album as "their Sgt. Pepper," or whatever the best tip-off is that cocaine's on the mixing board and we're all in for something bloated.

I say turn Batman evil and psychotic. Make Oldman the hero, sympathetic to Batman because of his past help, but single-mindedly focused on reigning him in.

but that's just using the 'two face' story again, really.

The biggest temptation to be overcome is eating from the Multiple Villains tree.

They already did that, tho, in TDK. It worked because the stories were linked-up nicely in the script (unlike other attempts at multiple villian films, e.g. Nos. 2 -- 4 of the old Batman franchise).

But generally I agree with you.

I actually don't think it worked that well. Two Face was give fairly short shrift. Don't think we'll be seeing a third movie for a few years anyway.

Just hoping they don't let Cookie Monster dub his vocals for Batman again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc

The multiple villain thing in "Batman Returns" was great. (well, hero/antihero/villain)

oh wait, Christopher Walken was there too so there were multiple villains

didn't think it worked, tbh. didn't give two face enough time to develop, especially as he was so central to the drama at the end. he just had a tough scene and turned evil.

Yeah, I thought Dent's transformation to Two-Face was the least credible thing in TDK.

Alongside the idea that Joker had somehow planned it beforehand that he would transform like that.

apart from the flying bat billionaire ninja, i assume. xp

I've found its best not to start thinking too hard into how Joker pulled that complicated scheme together, especially the jailbreak, as it involves holes large enough to drive a semi through. Still love the movie to pieces though.

There's different levels of credibility. Even if it's a fantasy, you have to convince the viewer that what happens is credible within the boundaries of this particular fantasy. Bruce Wayne's transformation in Batman Begins feels believable because so much time and justification is devoted to it. Compared to that, Dent's transformation in TDK feels rushed and random, not quite as believable.

(x-post)

joker jailbreak the big one. but yeah it's still great stuff.

Dent's transformation into Two-Face is being wholly overblown by ppl familiar with the comic books IMO; all he was was a pissed-off dude with a burned face who was exacting vengeance on the ppl he thought were responsible for his fiancee's death.

That's true, it wasn't as if he immediately became this "Two Face" personality.

He did start throwing the coin and thinking justice is random, didn't he? Also, Joker's plan seemed to depend on Dent becoming crazy in a way that would taint his former reputation, which means Joker is helluva planner.

when is joker NOT portrayed as a helluva intricate planner to the point of complete ridicness?

Most of the time, at least in comics. Being crazy prepared is Batman's attribute, not really Joker's.

are you talking about the same joker who schemed to become iran's ambassador to the UN so he could gas everyone and yet claim diplomatic immunity

maybe they'd make the riddler another rich high tech playboy dude but instead of an insane vigilante he's a goofball who steals stuff, i'd be into that

― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 16:24 Bookmark

This could be really cool, and it would be a different twist on the "how good are Gotham's people really" theme - now testing whether their fascination with Batman has more to do with the fact that he fights crime or the fact that he's freaky and exotic. Fabulous, winking, quipping playboy Riddler, while robbing banks and so on, ends up being more popular than Batman!

(Could also take the opportunity to talk about the shit economy, people being fed up with fat cats = guy who robs banks is a kind of folk-heroic Robin Hood.)

Also kind of like the Die Hard 3 idea, just as a way of making the riddles less inexplicable...

The real challenge of course is the pressure to do another "serious" film after #2, but having not so many pressing issues left to cover that fit well under the Bat umbrella. TDK kind of covered most of the really interesting ground, it's gonna be hard not to just descend into the mythos and tell internally interesting but globally uncompelling stories with the characters.

http://nooneknowswhatitslike.ytmnd.com/

Sure this further ruined the song for me and I'll never unhear it, but it's not like I was gonna listen to "Who's Next" again anyway, right?

what a disaster for the who

and what a coup for internet memes.

Hardly any real detail here but:

While Nolan completes that Leonardo DiCaprio-starrer for a July 16th release, he's also hatched an idea for Warner Bros' third Batman installment. Now his brother and frequent collaborator Jonah Nolan, and David Goyer who co-wrote Batman Begins and penned the story for The Dark Knight, are off scripting it.

Still hoping for Riddler or Anarky, would accept Solomon Grundy or Victor Zsasz (maybe Mad Hatter or Clayface)

pretty sure that nolan's batman deserves a day-lewis villain

haha playing arkham asylum has made me totally ok w/riddler being the main dude. actually i'll even take harley quinn as an option.

if i have to watch gyllenhal in a catsuit act poorly i will be very angry

he was planning on a DeLouise villain until last May (xpost)

if i have to watch gyllenhal in a catsuit act poorly i will be very angry

What if it was Jake?

i'll be angry if i have to watch gyllenhaal act poorly in another one of these movies period. stay dead!

Zsasz would be awesome, but I can't imagine a studio going for it. That's next-level dark even for Nolan's franchise.

just glanced at the wiki entry for the zsasz character. yikes! that is dark. i guess it would allow the two-villain theme to continue (zsasz and penguin).

Could live with Eckhart having some further involvement; don't get why TwoFace was meant to be any more dead than Batman was after they both fell off the same thing

twoface obviously in arkham at end of TDK?

haha ok so if they use zsasz, would they have to keep him cast and played by the lead singer of James? because that would be pretty funny.

god I hope so

He later breaks out of Arkham to kill the doctor where the other doctor frantically calls her to warn her but is interrupted by Zsasz knocking on the door and the doctor going to answer the door the fate of the doctor in unknown but most likely killed by Zsasz.

great wikipedia moment

LOL

sounds like a hyperventilating 13-year-old trying to describe his favourite video game

plz let that be repruposed into actual dialog in the movie

narration

in scary batman voice

someone explain to me why nolan has an english accent and his brother an american accent.

pretension

not all twins are identical

also sorry but whole batman movie thing is so fucking boring. character is dead.

http://daisyfae.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/youre-totally-shitting-me.jpg

YOU DID NOT

Could live with Eckhart having some further involvement; don't get why TwoFace was meant to be any more dead than Batman was after they both fell off the same thing

― MPx4A, Tuesday, February 9, 2010 12:16 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whether you think it made sense or not, the movie was pretty unambiguous about Dent being dead at the end

i did like the prestige though.

the dark knight had a fuckton of plot holes.

also hate phrase "the dark knight"

batman should be retired for a few decades like captain marvel or something

u just hate it because u want it for yourself xp

and then the one guy was talking about batman to the other guy but then a third guy he was just like "batman is fucking boring. character is dead" and the first guy his head just exploded with the information it was terribly tragic he was dressed so nicely too

I think they should kill off Batman and replace him with a robot Batman and an alien Batman and Batman Jr and the first black Batman.

it's a shame those ray-bans didn't survive the impact

xpost

it's your fault

I think they should kill off Batman and replace him with a robot Batman and an alien Batman and Batman Jr and the first black Batman.

holy lol

all in the same film

directed by todd haynes

"crisis with infinite batmans"

i'm not... (couldn't think of anything)

starring christian bale, the girl from precious, the fat kid from 2.5 men, and all the members of kraftwerk

Alternately...

http://www.adamcarolla.com/ACPBlog/wp-content/gallery/2009-10-21-paul-shaffer/17d-blues_brothers_2000.jpg

this is getting better and better tbh

and michael steele

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HOLY LOL

two and a half batmen

The villain will be called the Hot Prowler.

Batmobile found crashed in a ravine near Wayne Manor etc.

p excited 2 know what it wld b like when bruce wayne (played by tilda swinton) is a member of the parisian bourgeoisie married to a psychiatrist (anne consigny)

his real enemy then will b existential ennui

In another world, The Bathangover

BATMAN, a catherine breillat film

this could go on, guys

maybe talyor swift will purchase the franchise and she can rewrite it so that bruce wayne's parents never die in the 1st place teenage bruce attends a gotham magnet school plays lacrosse and gets early admission to brown~~

talyor swift to play catwoman (a talented gymnast at gotham prep who is as agile as a cat)

BATMAN, a catherine breillat film

― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, February 9, 2010 12:56 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wouldn't that be BAT GIRL

bá-ma soeur

i did like the prestige though.

the dark knight had a fuckton of plot holes

...unlike The Prestige.

cold.

is that DJ Spooky in Blues Bros 2K?

i did like the prestige though.

the dark knight had a fuckton of plot holes

...unlike The Prestige.

What were the plot holes in The Prestige? I know both of the twists were kinda silly from a realistic point of view, but it's not a realistic movie, and its internal logic seemed to work fine.

yeah i don't recall any huge plot holes, despite the ludicrous conceits.

some stuff was probably treated too elliptically.

I've been reading the wiki entries on some of these potential villains & the impression I'm left with is that they really, really need to up the level of security at Arkham Asylum.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/03/christopher-nolan-takes-flight-with-superman-we-have-a-fantastic-story-1.html

His villain choices to date have steered clear of strongly supernatural or super-science characters (no Man-Bat, Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy, for instance) but he shook his head when asked if that was a trajectory he would continue. He did however concede one tidbit: “It won’t be," he said, "Mr. Freeze.”

He's writing and producing a new Superman movie too? Oh dear, I hope he isn't gonna do an "edgy" and "psychological" version of Supes too, that would be like the wrongest thing ever! I'd rather see something like an adaptation of All-Star Superman, but I can't see Nolan writing anything like that.

I think the strength of Nolan's Batman franchise is that he's created a bigger Gotham, and one that exists in a larger world in that Bruce Wayne can travel and Batman can go to Hong Kong. It makes sense that you'd see more than one criminal, gang, or villain, although the plots so far have done pretty well with keeping things balanced. I think the weakness of the Batman franchise, especially the earlier film series, was that there had to be some drawn out "Villian A meets Villian B" scene in the film, or that they had to tie together or have the origin story every time.

Maybe that's the win: no (complex) villain origins.

Nolan Batman = take the subtext of the Batman comics since forever, which has been made thuddingly overt at least since Frank Miller '86, and make it more overt and turn Batman into some pseud brainy b.s. And there's also one really, really big car with a really big turn radius.

The Burton Batman movies used space better. They communicated an unseen Gotham through judicious art direction and storyboarding, and they showed (or at least implied) night and fog without being pictorially dark.

I felt insulted by Batman Begins.

I thought the Burton films were good at the time, but there's a lot of characters standing around mugging for the camera. Maybe it's because the age I saw them at, but they seem a lot more cartoony. The Joker bouncing around the art museum, the Penguin doing his "oh what do we have here" intro to Catwoman and providing audience laughs that deformed freak is perving on latex catsuit.

Maybe Nolan's is too WHY SO SERIOUS-business, but I don't mind it. As for the idea that there's "pseud brainy b.s.," that's kind of baked into the franchise. The world's greatest detective, right?

I'd rather see something like an adaptation of All-Star Superman

me too, but this isn't gonna happen

Burton's first Batman movie is an ugly piece of shit

YOU WANNA GET NUTS?! COME ON - LET'S GET NUTS!!!

please Joker, don't make me listen to that shitty prince song again!

i agree that it's not a very good movie but it's not ugly by any means.

Also, Burton movies def. had the best Batmobile

no

yes

best screen batmobile anyway

i honestly don't give a shit about the comics

tbh I don't like the idea of Batman's shit being super-stylized. If he has batarangs shaped like bats, so be it. But the stylized bat logo, the super-stylized car with wings, meh.

Note that I did have the plastic model kit where you had to assemble/paint the Burton-era batmobile, I just think Burton's films (surprise surprise) ended up being about super-stylized decor and villains, and less about the characters and script behind those.

batman returns is really pretty great

guys he is called batman, if his car isn't shaped like a giant bat then I just don't know what to say

if I was batman you'd better believe that my dutch oven is going to be shaped like a bat

honestly i wouldn't mind if they treated the next batman movie kind of like the 1st spider-man movie, that is, a kind of straightforward extension of the basic premise of the franchise/classic narrative, not some psuedointellectual psuedorelevant overpsychologized stuff.

but with nolan onboard that's probably a vain hope.

actually i don't know why i'm posting here; i don't really give a shit.

YOU WANNA GET NUTS?! COME ON - LET'S GET NUTS!!!

Bale couldn't pull this off in a million years.

Also

THIS TOWN NEEDS AN ENEMA!!!

michael keaton is a much better actor than xian bale

^^^^ I might have argued against this before seeing "Terminator: Salvation".

Bale's made a bunch of shit but let's be fair here so has Keaton. They do different things, not sure who I'd really say is "better" as an overall actor but Bale is definitely a better/more convincing Batman. Never once believed Keaton was capable of psychotically beating up criminals, nor could he successfully pull off the vacant yuppie thing that's essential to Bruce Wayne

I thought you were supposed to believe in Bruce Wayne's "psychic wounds" or some such nonsense, and in this Keaton was excellent.

btw Batmanis the only post=Beetlejuice Tim Burton film I can watch.

I thought the Burton films were good at the time, but there's a lot of characters standing around mugging for the camera. Maybe it's because the age I saw them at, but they seem a lot more cartoony.

Hooray! So far only the first two X-Men movies have managed the serious tip.

i think bale works just fine, cos the implication is that there is just not much to the guy.

With Nolan directing there's not much to the comic either.

I really do think the first Burton Batman is just unbelievably ugly - day-glo color schemes, shoulder pads, consistently poor use of shadows and steam to evoke some kind of urban/nighttime environment that never feels believable, cheap shit architecture that looks terribly fake... the whole thing looks like its shot on a series of poorly designed soundstages and it shows. not once is the environment believable or immersive, it all feels false. when people tell me they like this movie I just assume they haven't actually seen it in 20 years.

and this is in addition to the shitty acting, a script riddled with plotholes, etc.

One thing I think Bale did much, much better than Keaton was portray a palpable sense of self-loathing within Bruce Wayne; I don't know how much of this was due to directorial tone and how much was due to Bale actually hating himself and that bleeding through into his performance (it seems like a very common thread through the characters he's portrayed).

Keaton did a much better job of portraying Bruce as someone who could conceivably fit the mold of someone who was the head of a wildly successful technological research company, though; Bale's take seems like a little too much of a fuckup without the proven core of competence shown by RDJ in his (100% spot-on) portrayal of Tony Stark.

Bale just looked vaguely petulant. Keaton genuinely looked as if it hurt him to pucker his mouth in that soul-weary manner.

the burton movies are unwatchable imo

I think the second one's great. the first one's an abortion.

nah

The first one has some pacing problems but is a very good visualization of a live-action cartoon; the second is more of the same with much better antagonists.

(and better pacing, oops)

The Schumacher movies are interesting mostly because they only really succeed when the antagonists don't do flat-out Joker impersonations (which is why Carey's Riddler works better than Tommy Lee Jones's Two-Face and Uma Thurman's Poison Ivy was the best villain out of all of them).

I think we can all agree that if they continue on with the Nolan version, they either better keep him as the director or do some serious quality control. The Burton-originated series got... well, we all know what happened there.

x-post, and apparently Dan is somehow defending any part of the Schumacher crap

basically i think the nolan batmans are the best just b/c i dig the scope and style and the villains are all pretty dope. the burton ones maybe looked kinda cool at the time but now i have no use for them. the schumacher ones...batman forever i remember as competent some of the time but i think that's only because it's not a total mess like b&r.

Val Kilmer was fine as Wayne/Batman. He didn't fit the role nearly as well as Keaton but he did a good-enough job of continuing the tone and he was removed enough to make the Robin situation seem a lot less like gross creepy pedophilia. Tommy Lee Jones did Two-Face completely wrong and no one involved in the film had any idea of what the character was actually supposed to be, so he ended up being a budget Joker. The Riddler was also verging on budget Joker, but since the original character is also kind of a budget Joker, it wasn't as off-putting.

"Batman and Robin" was ill-conceived on almost every level. A smarmy, self-satisfied Batman is never a good one, Chris O'Donnell was way too old to play Robin as so much of a whiny bitch, Alicia Silverstone was completely disengaged from the movie and Arnold played Mr. Freeze less like a scientist and more like The Terminator. Uma Thurman seemed to be the only one who read the script, looked at the costumes and sets and went, "hookay, in order for this to work at all, I need to out-camp the 60s series" and, as a result, her part was the only one that seemed like it matched the movie they were trying to make. Still wasn't enough to save the movie, though.

(sometime I should rewatch all of these movies to shore up my arguments, lol)

Still wasn't enough to save the movie, though.

need to put this in the understatement hall of fame

there was a weird period of time where chris o'donnell was actually a *star*, which i find kind of unbelievable.

mid 90s was a weird time

ha, is it really understatement to say "the one performance that seemed like it actually belonged in the film couldn't make up for the horribly misconceived portrayals of every other major character"?

I mean, the second best character in the movie is a tie between Alfred and BANE

Love the screenshots throughout:

http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Batman___Robin_1997.aspx

lol no no it was just kinda funny after thinking about the litany of things that are wrong with b&r (many of which you listed) that one could casually drop that thurman's performance (which i agree with you on) was not enough to save the movie.

Nicole Kidman's in there somewhere, no?

haha it says a lot for the impact/caliber of Nicole Kidman's character/performance that I completely forgot she was in this movie

i remember her because i was watching it with my dad and some older kids in the theatre kept yelling "fuck her! fuck her!" when she showed up in her nightgown and i was very embarrassed

oh my god, reading that recap is showing me that my mind was trying to protect me from how goddamned stupid this movie is

wait, she was in batman forever

xpost -- Kidman is in Forever. And yes, that recap brings back the pain.

Don't worry, they do that too:

http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Batman_Forever_1995.aspx

okay phew I am not as crazy as I thought I was

Which film was it that had the scene where Chris O'Donnell storms off in the Batmobile, is cruising for chicks, and then has to fight a bunch of thugs with a neon-light backdrop? That was some great material, there.

(My scorn for these films, so much scorn)

That was Forever.

http://www.agonyboothmedia.com/images/articles/Batman_Forever_1995/Batman_Forever_1995_037.jpg

She rubs up against Batman and tells him to "send Junior home" because she's got some "wild oats to sow!" [?] If this is supposed to be a plant-related pun, they are really, really reaching now. Then she slides over to Robin, saying that "On the other hand, youth does have its advantages!" She calls Batman "geriatric" and tells Robin that "My garden needs tending!" Ew. No thanks.

She grabs the diamond from Commissioner Gordon and puts it around her neck, then announces to the entire crowd that "some lucky boy's about to hit the honey pot!" Okay, that's the second plant-themed allusion she's made to her genitalia in about half a minute. This is a witty script, no? She then basically offers her body to the highest bidder, and the men all start yelling out dollar amounts at a feverish pace. If you're wondering why Ivy is attempting to become the highest-paid prostitute ever, keep watching.

holy hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K2Y2cGDRhI

All of the promo posters and stills have Jim Carrey mugging with weird body language and facial expressions, just so you know this is a 90s Jim Carrey film with his totally awesome physical comedy and jokes.

I was a kid when I saw the Jim Carrey Riddler one and I really liked it for about a week or so. Batman & Robin is a movie so bad that it can't even be saved by the Rifftrax. Most of the movie they just sit in silence at how awful it is.

i was worried i'd hate the burton batman when i rewatched it recently, but it was really fun. i might take over dark knight as a whole - fewer ponderous speeches even if TDK has fresher "fuck YEAH" moments

Tom Hardy joins the cast.

Hahah this prediction maybe not too far off somehow:

Third Rock From The Sun kid to take over the Joker role. Maggie as Catwoman.

― I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:26 PM (1 year ago)

The Dark Knight Rises
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/10/27/christopher-nolan-reveals-title-of-third-batman-film-and-that-it-wont-be-the-riddler/

Time for a thread title update...

shitty title, but so was Batman Begins

"The Dark Knight Rises" would make a good porn title.

Sounds like some studio bod wanted to call it "The Dark Knight II" and this was the compromise.

Pretty sure the villain is going to be Catwoman.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/50-Million-Strong-for-Neil-Hamburger-as-the-Riddler-in-the-next-Batman-film/127615277279042

Almost tempted to make a Worst Batman Movie Title poll, but as lame as this one is, nothing beats Batman Forever

Batman vs Bronson <---much better idea

Hardy could be a less well-known villain who they make as the official lead. Or how about the Penguin?

Pretty sure the villain is going to be Catwoman.

^^^my money's on this, seeing as how Maggie Gyllenhaal is still alive and under contract for the third movie

Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't playing Catwoman.

Pretty sure Christopher Nolan is the villain here.

xpost -- "Why Robin you've...changed."

Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't playing Catwoman.

and you say this, why...?

Because she played a character who died in the last movie. It's a stupid idea that audiences would find confusing.

xp She might be an interesting Catwoman, but what is it in Rachel Dawes' psychology/character arc that would make her return as a villain?

It will be hard for the third film to top the crazed-nihilist-attacks-the-city angle so it makes sense that they might go for a more ambiguous villain, someone who aligns with Batman in a different way to the Joker.

hardy as a nu-style Hugo Strange would give them a decent sci-fi angle

And characters rising from the dead isn't in keeping with Nolan's ultra-realistic real-world non-fantastical realistic Gotham.

Hoping it's Bane, frankly.

Because she played a character who died in the last movie. It's a stupid idea that audiences would find confusing.

I see you are unfamiliar with the cats/nine lives mythos. most importantly, you don't see her die on-screen. there are several oblique references to cats in the movie. how her character arc would be handled is a little more difficult to work out, but obviously the being betrayed by Bruce/let down by Batman thing would figure in

but really the dead giveaway is that she's under contract for the third movie.

what, do you think she's going to appear in a bunch of flashbacks or something.

I think haunting flashbacks make more sense for Nolan than magical resurrections.

I may be forgetting someone, but the options for new elements are basically Sexy Time With Catwoman, wacky mob types (Ventriloquist, Maxie Zeus, etc), sci-fi dudes (Freeze, Strange), vigilantes with an oppositional moral code (Azrael, Anarky) and monsters (Bane, Croc).

At once.

but really the dead giveaway is that she's under contract for the third movie.

what, do you think she's going to appear in a bunch of flashbacks or something.

― men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

so is Aaron Eckhart, it doesn't mean anything

i don't think nolan wants to return to the burton well too often and i don't think he's going to really mess around with "rises from the dead" kinda shit, like that article likewise suggests.

I guess there's also clue-leaving serial types like Riddler and Zsasz but with Nolan saying his inspiration was that this is the Last Batman Movie he'll probably go for bigger game than just Solvin' Puzzles With Bats.

given that the moral quandaries involved with being Batman are central to Nolan's take on the character, having his longtime paramour become warped/turned against him would fit in nicely

and again I don't see any need for "magical" resurrections - you don't see her die on-screen, you see an explosion. people survive movie explosions ALL THE TIME

xp

yeah being under contract doesn't mean they have been paid and are gonna appear, it just suggests to me she's there just in case she's needed for something like flashbacks or nightmares or something.

Hoping it's Bane, frankly.

― James Mitchell, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:39 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

man itd be pretty sweet to have AZRAEL around -- that saga was so chill

with Nolan saying his inspiration was that this is the Last Batman Movie he'll probably go for bigger game than just Solvin' Puzzles With Bats.

^^^totally agree with this. this is going to be some conclusive-character-arc sorta stuff

"Oh hey, Gordon, you know how Harvey went apeshit because his girlfriend died in that explosion? Turns out she survived, crawled out, and didn't tell anyone until his madcap time as Two-Face came to an end."

"Oh, the sad, plausible irony!"

from the themes & plot points set up in the first two movies, really seems like the next villain will be a false good guy heroically persusing the dangerous menace 'bat man' for the good of the city, but really working for shady moneyed interests or his/her own whacked psychology. if batman was 'order' and joker 'chaos', i bet number 3 works on an inversion of this.

or a glory-hunter type who pulls crazy stuff in a reality-show way w/o batman's principles. super-celebrity for its own sake kind of a thing.

but i don't know comics so i dunno who these would be.

MAN-BAT

Turns out she survived, crawled out, and didn't tell anyone until his madcap time as Two-Face came to an end."

um, his madcap time as Two-Face lasted all of what, a day? two days?

MAN-BAT

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

^^omg this is the best idea

shakey, she's not going to be catwoman, please stfu.

Why couldn't the title have been "The Dark Knight Returns"? It would've probably fit thematically (I assume that in the third movie Batman will reclaim the status he lost in the end of DK), and it would certainly have resonance among Batman fans. Plus it sounds better than "The Dark Knight Rises" - didn't that "rise" already happen in the first movie?

I was just about to say Man-Bat would rule. I'm sure Nolan doesn't have the guts to go with that angle though.

Because then people would be expecting an adaptation of the comic.

um, his madcap time as Two-Face lasted all of what, a day? two days?

you're right, the cops declared her dead without finding remains, she crawled off for two days and will come back dressed as a cat, having decided the town needs another animal-themed adventurer

The Nolan bros were like "oh shit, how did it take us two years to come up with a plot when THAT was staring at us the whole time!"

ha i thought two-face survived and i'm pretty sure i saw the movie twice.

you guys are missing the obvious angle here:

Catwoman appears... and is played by AARON ECKHART

anyway i hope shakey is wrong because maggie g is not so great at the acting and would make a super awful catwoman.

most importantly, you don't see her die on-screen.

in 'the dark knight' you really don't see anyone die on-screen, they keep a lot of it off-camera. or maybe the chechen wasn't actually cut up and fed to his dogs! sal maroni just broke his other leg in the car wreck! detective wuertz was just grazed by dent's bullet!

i think maggie g is really good tbh and fine in that particular role, but she wouldn't be suited to play catwoman.

in 'the dark knight' you really don't see anyone die on-screen

um, the pencil trick?

yeah, that's the other thing, I don't think Maggie G has any ability to like... vamp or be threatening at all.

in 'the dark knight' you really don't see anyone die on-screen,

my big hope was that Eric Roberts survived and will come back with a Greek mythology fixation...as MAXIE ZEUS

aside from likely being very hot, catwoman is a lousy idea for the next villain. sort of glad the riddler's not going to be the next villain, either. but who does that leave? penguin sounds equally lame, and unlike a nolan villain-type.

the most Nolan-esque villain is Victor Zsasz

my batman 3 would basically involve all the mob lords picking out their stylish trademark ("hmmm...I did always love Lewis Carroll") and getting really fucking annoying, forcing anarky to realize that all these weirdos are batman's fault.

as a non-comix person, 'rahz al-guhl' (sp) was a new one on me, and it worked fine. and yeah, none of the a-list batman villains seem very nolan-y

FWIW Marion Cotillard turned down a part in Batman 3, and it was thought it would've been either Catwoman or Talia al Ghul.

omg you guys, there was a CATMAN

Tom Hardy as Black Mask or Zsasz would be pretty fucking dope.

if Maggie G is in this as Catwoman i will not see it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Det311.png

I thought they really wasted an opportunity with Ra's al Ghul in BB... he's supposed to be a badass immortal arab mastermind, Liam Neeson with a glued on moustache didn't really fit the bill for me.

I hope they don't go with a lame new school villain like Bane or Zsasz (or Hush).

i had this weird audiotape batman thing when i was a kid that had an incredibly scary manbat story on it.

haha what about Deadshot

badass immortal arab mastermind

can't imagine why this didn't happen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadshot

Within the DC Universe, Deadshot is often a hired assassin, regularly boasting to "never miss." He is capable of using a large variety of weapons, but is most frequently portrayed as using a pair of silenced, wrist-mounted guns. He initially appears in Gotham City as a new crimefighter, but is revealed to be an enemy of Batman when he attempts to replace the Dark Knight. He is sent to jail when Batman and Commissioner Gordon publicly expose his plot to become the king of Gotham's underworld.[1]

After serving his term, Deadshot begins hiring his services out as an assassin, changing his costume from the top coat and tails he previously wore to a red jumpsuit and distinctive metal face plate with a targeting device on the right side.

Isn't this movie legally required to feature Shia LaBeouf in some capacity?

Either him or Justin Long

I guess they could do Mad Hatter

i had this weird audiotape batman thing when i was a kid that had an incredibly scary manbat story on it.

― tylerw, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:07 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

had this on LP </ILV>

danggg, wonder if it's available on the internet. seriously, it sort of scares me to even think about it.

in 'the dark knight' you really don't see anyone die on-screen, they keep a lot of it off-camera. or maybe the chechen wasn't actually cut up and fed to his dogs! sal maroni just broke his other leg in the car wreck! detective wuertz was just grazed by dent's bullet!

did you even watch this movie? a BUNCH of people die on-screen. and not only that, we already had Gordon "return" from the dead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Quilt

what the hell, comics

I could be totally wrong, but the Catwoman thing seems like an obvious route to go, to me - seems likely they'd pair her with some other minor villain

we're all gonna feel so dumb when Batman 3 turns out as stupid as Shakey wants it to be

Doctor No-Face
Detective Comics #319 (September 1963)

Bart Magan tried to use a device that would erase a facial scar, but ended up erasing his face.

oops!

we're all gonna feel so dumb when Batman 3 turns out as stupid as Shakey wants it to be

to be clear here, this is not what I WANT to have happen, just what seems likely

you know what is REALLY unlikely? the third film in a trilogy being any good

danggg, wonder if it's available on the internet. seriously, it sort of scares me to even think about it.

― tylerw, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:13 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark

buy-it-now!

http://batman.neoseeker.com/w/i/batman/7/77/Calculator.jpg

The role Hardy was born to play

did you even watch this movie? a BUNCH of people die on-screen. and not only that, we already had Gordon "return" from the dead

― men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier)

but we didn't really "see" them die, did we now? there was no doctor pronouncing them dead in a hospital. pencil guy could return as a villain called "one-eye" for example. the judge, we never saw her body, she could return as "The Judge." just going with your dawes logic here.

speaking of dark night returns, tho, would it be crazy for nolan to adapt the mutants for the new movie? they were called the mutants right?

and omgggg gorilla city!

http://livingbetweenwednesdays.com/?p=1240

If the villains in the third movie aren't a league comprised of everyone mentioned on this page, I will be disappointed.

Doctor No-Face
Detective Comics #319 (September 1963)

Bart Magan tried to use a device that would erase a facial scar, but ended up erasing his face.

see, i could see maggie g in a part like that

just going with your dawes logic here.

no, you're not

It is amazing how many batman villains are just variations on the same theme. "Once I have begun my reign of terror, no one will forget the name of MR. SECRET PASSWORD!!!!"

smart money is on calendar man

loling at dr no-face

scarecrow was second-best villain, and criminally underused in first installment of rebooted series.

of this wiki list, the most promising choices look to be black mask, clayface, and deadshot. not many good choices imo.

The bio for "Axel Alex"

Alex Farland is a mechanic who hates his job. He attempts to steal his boss' car because his boss never gives him a raise. Batman later defeats him and he is sent to prison.

Batman goes to prison? That's gratitude for ya

shakey don't take this so seriously, you might be missing out on obvious clues that point to the return of michael jai white as "big smile"

http://luchins.com/dickery/Batman133kite_man.jpg

I SWEAR TO GOD I WAS JUST XPOSTED ON PUTTING UP THE KITE MAN WIKIPEDIA LINK

lol @ "KGBeast"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onomatopoeia_%28comics%29

um

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/665/665343/fredhembeck2005118-03_1131436797.jpg

Dot-face must have been taken

Bart Magan tried to use a device that would erase a facial scar, but ended up erasing his face.

"Bart Magan" is an anagram for "Arg! Batman." Which should be the name of the movie.

Kevin Smith has written some of the worst comics I've ever read in my life.

xpost -- Argh! A Batman War

klaus nomi would make a vv good batman character w/a nice toe to head reveal shot

Numan would be a good runner-up.

Azamat Bagatov as The Penguin

that list of villains is kind of making my head spin

Also think that the title 'Dark Knight Rises' promises more installments after this one, possibly without Nolan. The beginning of something, rather than a stated 'end' of the batman saga ie 'The Dark Knight Falls'.

The Dark Knight Relaxes

the dark knight rises again

The Dark Knight Gets Drunk and Naked in a Hotel Room

dark knight iv: the quest for peace

the dark knight sleeps tight.

Could be a good Kevin Smith cameo:

Mr. Camera
Batman #81 (February 1954)
A camera-headed villain that uses cameras in his crimes.

The Dark Knight Renews His Driver's License

guys:

Adolf Hitler
Green Lantern (vol. 1) #3 (Spring 1942)
A character based on the historical figure of the same name, Hitler appeared as an enemy of many members of the Justice League, including Batman.

haha I was going to post that too

Raiders of the Lost Dark

i mean, nobody saw him die

A character based on the historical figure of the same name, Hitler appeared as an enemy of many members of the Justice League, including Batman.

good to know.

Maggie G comes back as Harley Quinn, having decided that the Joker's plan was the way to go.

It Was A Dark And Stormy Knight

a self-mutilating criminal named richey james, whom no one saw die when he vanished years ago

What about.....ELLEN PAGE as Catwoman??

maybe they'll go like the Spider-Man musical and create a totally new stupid-ass villain

Here we go:

http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Worlds_Finest_Comics_155_Exit_Batman_Enter_Nightman.aspx

http://www.agonyboothmedia.com/images/articles/Worlds_Finest_Comics_155_Exit_Batman_Enter_Nightman/worldsfinestcomics155exitbatmanenternightman.0100.jpg

Perfect excuse for the long-awaited Brandon Routh cameo

superman is an asshole

god, this poor kid is watching his guardian get his ass kicked by a cheap knockoff and all supes can do is bitch about having to redo his plaque, as if it wouldn't take like a minute of heat vision to accomplish

really excited about maggie g as catwoman [via shakey mo finke]

also wtf kinda policy is "anyone who kicks my partner's ass gets to be my new partner"

btw if Harley Quinn appears in the new movie in any way, I am not taking credit

hope its gonna be a wes cravens final nightmare-style plot where all these studio execs dealing w/ the batman franchise are getting caught by a mysterious vigilante and everyone suspects christian bale is dressing up as batman but the twist is... its maggie gyllenhaal, who is alive

just saw this on twitter: "Now that The Riddler has been ruled out as the villain in Chris Nolan's third Batman film, can I suggest Ben Kingsley as Dr. Hugo Strange?"
GIVE ME A BREAK, DUDE.

the very much alive maggie gyllenhaal will be playing the cat-woman

ugh. please, christopher nolan, just make up a new villain.

^^^

RiddlerCatMan

bearsharkosaurus.

i'd pay to see ron paul as the riddler.

"the octopus", a villain capable of eerie foresight

The Black Glove, as a group of Gotham's finest who are tired of the entertainment their money and influence can provide and decide to break Batman. Rutger Hauer reprises his role from the previous two films as a member. Entire thing turns out to be a plot by Talia al Ghul, who has also infiltrated as a businesswoman.

lol at editors roundtable. knew how to hook the kids back in the day

batman v. the human centipede.

batman vs. barack obama as the joker [via tea party posters]

The Adventures of Batman, Queen of the Desert

Guys, the sun rises in the east. This is all about Batman going to Asia.

Villain will be Lord Death Man.

who the fuck cares who the villain is? just make sure you write a "batman dance" into the script.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06kXXJUddHQ

Daniel Craig as the Penguin, man.

daniel craig is an inspired choice for a villain, i must say.

what happened to Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin?! i was loving that idea. also who's Tom Hardy and what's he been good in?

he was in a movie called INCEPTION by a director named NOLAN. for all other references, consult imdb.

Guys this is a GRITTY and REALISTIC and ADULT version of Batman. Clearly there will be no costumed supervillian.

Instead, that guy that found out about Batman in TDK will turn him in and Bruce Wayne will be taken to court for tax evasion, destruction of public property, etc. The whole thing will be a MORAL DILEMMA played out in an unfolding court case shot in GRITTY desaturated HD entirely in a REALISTIC court room. Right before the verdict is read the judge will say "Will The Dark Knight please rise?"

so basically

http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/crimefighters-color-detail.jpg

totally want to be batman's lawyer.

well, maybe batgirl's lawyer.

not robin's, tho.

also who's Tom Hardy and what's he been good in?

― piscesx, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:51 PM (2 hours ago)

hes the main dude in "Bronson", which if youve seen it will give you a shot at how awesome he could be in a variety of bad guy roles.

not crazy quilt tho

wait maybe he will be catwoman

What about.....ELLEN PAGE as Catwoman??

― Davek (davek_00), Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:48 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

smdh

wait it could all be an endaround distracting us from the moment the trailer unfurls and we are presented with a shuffling foot staring MICHEAL CERA AS THE RIDDLER

actually, i like the idea of michael cera, daniel craig and/or kid from third-rock-from-the-sun as the new villains.

no crazy quilt no credibility

I am rooting for Jason Bateman as Doctor No-Face

Justine Bateman would also be acceptable

Megan Fox for unlikeable distant heroin chic catwoman

I still think Hugo Strange would be a good choice, not as the main villain but in a similar role to the LotDK arc "Prey". That would fit pretty well with the story so far.

nsme is too corny.

name.

damn laptop keys.

"The Dark Knight Part II" would be better than this bullshit title.

might as well have called it Bitter Fanboy Tears

Some further thoughts from Nolan:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/10/27/nolan-dark-knight-rises-finds-the-future-in-imax-not-3d/

Is "The Dark Knight Rises" really that much worse of a title than "Batman Begins"?

yes

This clumsy way of making the third film in the series use the same title as the second, more popular film is just asinine. People saw the fuck out of the last one because it looked awesome, and they'll see the fuck out of the new one if it looks awesome. "The Dark Knight" isn't going to be what draws them back.

perhaps the title is astrology-related?

http://www.superdickery.com/images/stories/stupor/5428.jpg

might as well have called it Bitter Fanboy Tears

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Sunday, 31 October 2010 01:10 (11 hours ago)

had the spider-man reboot not already taken that title.

“It’s horses for courses,” Nolan said, using the British expression for taking things case-by-case

Villains should be a trio of Oprah Winfrey, Egghead and Condiment King.

Professor Pyg please

Dark Knight Redemption

Dark Knight Revolutions

Dark Knight: The Final Chapter

Dark Knight Resumption

Dark Knight Addendum

Dark Knight 3: PS I hate you

Dark Knight and a Baby

Dark Knighterer

Knight: The Darkening

Dark Knight: Knight Moves

Dark Knight Reloaded

Darkest Knight

Dark Knightenings

In the Dark Dark Knight There Was a Dark Dark House

Dark Knight and the Bear: Monkey Business

Dark: A Knight's Tale

Hard Darkness: A Knightmare Revisited

Knightness at the Edge of Dark

Rising Knights: Darkening Days

In the Dark of the Knight

(eww)

Dark Knight: Feels So Right

Heart of Knight: Dark Star

Knight Star: Dark Heart

Starry Knight: Heart of Dark

Dark Knight III: Monte Carlo

Dark Knight of the Moon

Dark Knight Rider

Dark Knight II: Meet the Jokers

Darkwing Knight

All Dark and All of the Knight

What a Dark: Growing Up Knight

Through a Knight Darkly

One Knight in Bangkok: Thai Game

Dark Knight Shift

Alone in the Dark Knight

Long Day's Journey Into Dark Knight

Dark Knight of the Iguana

A Dark Knight at the Roxbury

All Things Pass Into the Dark Knight

The Dark Knight Raises: All In

Dark Knight Etcetera, Etcetera, Something-Or-Other Maybe Ominous or Epic Sounding, I Don't Know Whatever, Do I Look Like a Marketing Guy?

Do not go gently into that Dark Knight

Is that the bareback porn version?

The Knightly Passion of Jean d'Arc

(yay bookmarks, didn't realize I was two days late ;_; weept)

Hard Dark's Knight

http://www.deadline.com/2010/11/chris-nolan-lines-up-actresses-for-batfilm/

Harley Quinn?
Poison Ivy?

I'd bet on one of them being Talia al Ghul

Talia al Ghul or Catwoman sound like the most probable choices to me. After Ledger, I don't think Nolan wants the next movie to have a female Joker. And Poison Ivy is too fantastical to fit Nolan's "realistic" (read: boring) idea of Batman's world. Talia al Ghul would tie the last movie to the first movie without Nolan sacrificing his "realistic" vision by actually resurrecting Ras. On the other hand, Catwoman is obviously much more iconic and well-known.

Are there any other notable female Batman villains?

Baby Doll!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUtLTxBYZHw

also wtf kinda policy is "anyone who kicks my partner's ass gets to be my new partner"

― da croupier, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 18:53 (2 weeks ago)

Are you really that unfamiliar with the mating rituals of small towns?

Bored to Dark Knight: a minor writer in Gotham's trendiest neighbourhood struggling with his second novel finds inspiration in the longboxes left behind when his girlfriend moves out. "It is an omen," he says, "I shall become a bat." With the help of his socially frustrated sidekick and a hedonistic police commissioner, as well as liberal doses of white wine and weed, Batman lists his services as an unlicensed vigilante on Craigslist.

The Dark Nougat Rises: Batman in the Kitchen

The Dark Knight Rinses: Starring Warren Beatty (40 yrs ago)
The Dark Knight Surprises
The Dark Knight Compromises: Frank Miller weeps
The Dark Knight Prizes
The Dark Knight Lezzes Up
The Dark Knight Raises
The Dark Knight Folds
The Dark Knight Appraises
The Dark Knight Erases
The Dark Knight Rizzles
The Dark Knight Rickles
The Dark Knight Celebrity Roast
The Dark Knights in Rodanthe
The Dark Knight of Madison County
The Dark Knight Clause
Some Dark Knight it Hot
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Batcave
Barefoot Batman in the Park
Dark Knight Side of the Moon

The Dark Knight and I: The Incredible Travels of a Pocket Mouse, a Superhero, and a Very Dark City

Night Dark Knight: The Erotic Confessions of a Jilted Sidekick

by Dick Grayson

(Includes "I Know Why Caged Robins Sing" and "Caged Heat: The Bat, The Cat, and The Bird")

Hey! You know that dumpy guy with the beard who was like a follower of Batman or something, going all vigilante in a homemade batsuit but with guns (booooooo) until he got hauled off by the police back in the first act of THE DARK KNIGHT, right? He looks like that guy behind the counter at your comic book shop who told you "You gotta read THE BOYS!"

WELL, BRUCE WAYNE SHOULD DIE AND THAT GUY SHOULD BE THE NEW DARK KNIGHT.

the dark knight starring will ferrell

xpost that dude done got kilt by the Joker.

Well, hell.

ANYWAY: Those guys in the cutaways at the climax of BATMAN BEGINS who are like fiddling with stuff and looking at computers in a very "OMG THIS THING'S HAPPENING AND SO'S THIS THING AND EVERYTHING'S ABOUT TO EXPLODE OR SOMETHING AND WHAT'S TO BE DONE? EXPOSITION!" - y'know, it was all obviously a second-unit thing, damn near b-movie-ish, kinda like the PC POLICE scene in Hawks' version of SCARFACE?

THOSE GUYS SHOULD SHOW UP AGAIN FOR SOME REASON IN THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.

The Dark Knight of the Lepus

"There's a herd of killer Batmen coming this way."

I'm kind of in love with The Dark Knight Clause, where Tim Allen plays a neglectful father who is magically turned into Batman and has to become filled with the spirit of vengeance in order to bring a smile to his son's face. With Chris Elliott as Robin.

batman v. grinderman.

nick cave looks like a comic book villain.

Perhaps J-G Levitt will play the Riddler as Nick Cave just as Depp did the Keith Richards pirate fellow.

good a reason as any
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ-KCpxLDtY

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes this is where the batman franchise should go.

can't really get into superhero costumes with hair that tall imo.

Anne Hathaway as Catwoman, Tom Hardy as Bane, sez Hollywood Reporter: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/heat-vision/anne-hathaway-cast-catwoman-dark-73418

not surprised

well I still think they shoulda gone with Maggie as Catwoman but whatever

Surely Bane is a surprise? I guess Nolan could do something cool with the character though.

i can't wait to not see this

It will depend on the trailer for me.

stoked

Surely Bane is a surprise?

not really, he's one of the few non-supernatural/crazy powers-ish options (the others being the Penguin or Catwoman. after that you get into some pretty silly minor characters)

Sounds cool! Can't wait to see this Cool Movie.

tho i just read bane's wikipedia entry (only being familiar with him from the back-breaking thing), and i guess it seems like he's a bit of a blank slate, at least for the film? he's basically just opposite-batman: hyper-intelligent, super-fit, but a bad guy. and not a lunatic. curious to see how nolan styles the character

I see the backlash is already in full swing, but I'm excited to see this. I'm not sure how well Anne Hathaway will fit into Nolan's universe, I haven't seen much beyond Rachel Getting Married that leads me to believe she can do "dark" but we'll see. At the very least she'll be better than Mrs Tom Cruise (what is it with Nolan and horrible casting decisions for female characters? Juno was an AWFUL choice for Inception too), but I'm willing to give her a chance because I have a hueg crush on her and would like to see her in a Catwoman outfit. Bane could be really cool. I'm still excited. These are much better rumors than the ones involving Johnny Depp, for sure.

yeah bane's supposed to be a tactical genius, v. methodical and shit - i could see hardy and nolan knocking that out of the park. hathaway is hard to imagine as catwoman unless they downplay the character's vampiness, idk

NEVER FORGET
http://www.metrocity.com/personal/Vince/bane.jpg

lol, I never read Bane in the books and therefore had no idea he was actually supposed to be more than a hulking, grunting brute

i'm willing to bet the backlash was in full swing when heath ledger (lol can u imagine!) was cast as the joker. i'm gonna trust nolan's judgment, i figure catwoman will be presented less as a sleek dominatrix and more of a vengeful ms. 45 kinda thing.

I don't get why ppl aren't convinced Anne Hathaway could do vampy

I think it has to do with 94% of her movie roles being a giggly, bubbly girl.

yeah but her most recent one was that of an aggressively sexual Parkinson's sufferer, so...

Plus her HUGE SMILE doesn't mesh with Nolan's dark and dour universe. I think she can do it, but I can see why people might be cringing if they only know her from like Devil Wears Prada and the princess flicks.

HAVOC

wonder if theyll do a knightfall rip

yeah, i def had low (or at least middling) expectations for ledger. and i think this is the perfect role for hardy.

yeah but her most recent one was that of an aggressively sexual Parkinson's sufferer, so...

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lol like anyone saw that

Havok was pretty funny but she just plays an insouciant brat in that

but hey maybe i would've been saying the same about pfeifer pre-batman returns, if i was actually aware of who she was back then - i feel like i can trust nolan at this point

Yeah, was gonna say, Bane is most famous in the comics for actually putting Batman right out of the game

http://www.listzblog.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/batman-knightfall.jpg

i always loved that cover cuz of the dinosaur just goin 'hey'

he's just popping in to check out some muscles

lol, I never read Bane in the books and therefore had no idea he was actually supposed to be more than a hulking, grunting brute

same here p much, but knowin what I do now it seems like hardy will be perfect.

hmm

http://www.trespassmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tn_bronson.jpg

i don't quite understand how excellent and probably-soon-to-be-Oscar-winning actor Bale could have been so meh in Dark Knight. Hathaway is bloody amazing in Rachel Getting Married, much as i hated the film.

I thought he was pretty far from meh but what do I know?

The only thing meh about Bale in these is the increasingly awful bat-growl.

he's stuck doing that dumb voice, which is nolan's fault

lol xp

yeah he's kinda good as bruce bateman

^^^yup

Being in the same movie as such a showy performance as Ledger's Joker didn't help him either. It's always gonna be more fun to play the villain.

yeah i barely remember any bruce wayne scenes in the last one, but there were a few in "begins" that were funny/good.

anne hathaway is in this one movie where these rich druggie girls go party with gang members in l.a.