ROLLING HIPSTER STUDIES 09

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lets get to the bottom of this once and for all

hipster 2009: more related to hipsters of 1989 than hipsters of 1999? Discuss.

so not gonna happen ?

http://hipsterology.blogspot.com/

They say in entertainment there's a rough rollover repetition period of around five years. What is it in hipsterdom?

fifteen minutes

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fifteen minutes

― the current scourage of ILM (country matters), Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:00 (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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first they came for the hipsters, and i didn't say anything because lol hipsters.
then they came for the anti-hipsters, and i didn't say anything because what douches.
then they came for vice and hipster runoff and i was like, what took you so long?

just dont take my street boners alala

IIIIIIIIIIIIIII just wanna fly (awa-awa-awa-awa-awa)

I recently heard someone refer to the people on The Hills and attendant spin-offs as "hipsters."

Let this be a lesson to you that this word increasingly means "people who are under 35"

PHEW I am not a hipster!

... wait, argh

haha u old

joeks

old sad clown (that sings opera)

you guys are really concerned about this topic, these days.

let me be fair: "people under 35 who occasionally go out and make some minimal effort to wear nice-looking clothes"

Those trainers look sweet, where can I get them?

let me be fair: "people under 35 who occasionally go out and make some minimal effort to wear nice-looking clothes"

I have two of those points covered already. And also in a few months I'll be 35...

thing ppl seem to not know about hipsters is that they are everywhere and not some williamsburg phenom. burt_stanton hav u never been on holiday?

The chick in the picture at the top is attractive. If it is a chick.

i <3 hipsters

yo with respect the meta hipster lolz are wearing thinner than a hobo beard up in this imo

be cool daddio

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OG HIPSTER

Yeah calmly swallowing my Dr Pepper over here xxxpost

hoos thats like saying youre tired of meta or hispters or loz or meta hipster lolz - on the face of it it doesnt make any sense its just insane - i mean are u feeling ok

META-HIPSTER THREAD 2010

just sayin dogg like 6 threads in half as many days is vergin on dom levels of overkill if u will excuse the citation mister xkcd

wow the field of hipster studies has really taken off since 2009 huh

people are publishing books and shit, we could all be on oprah.

oprahs closing up shop tho, moving into a loft on cable w/some friends

seems more authentic

so not gonna happen ?

― AleXTC, Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:59 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

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yo with respect the meta hipster lolz are wearing thinner than a hobo beard up in this imo

― find yr HOOS & steendrive anything in the way (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, January 16, 2009 12:44 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

love this post a great deal

HOOS!

hadn't seen bernard's new dn til now and am actually ol lol'ing

has there been any death of the hipster events yet where people burn trucker hats or american apparel underwears or whatever?

have trucker hats come back into fashion yet? i mean wearing them ironically twice over?

there are lots of people who just never stopped wearing them for sure

like fuck it these r dope idk

yeah i guess you are right

neways i gotta get back to my savage garden message board
peace!

feels like what happened, at least in my circles, is certain dudes who were ahead of the curve had already firmly established themselves as "trucker hat dudes" by the time "lol trucker hats" took on bloggable meme status — after which point, no one who was not already an established trucker hat dude could start wearing one and get away with it — but nobody wanted to call out the OG trucker hat dudes cuz most of them were alright, so they just kept on doin' their thing

neways i gotta get back to my savage garden message board
peace!

i don't know what that even means, but it felt good to have my admin asst type it for me in that little old ilx box

I do still sometimes meet new trucker hat dudes, but mentally they all just get filed under "trucker hat dude" and I tend to assume they've rocked it nonstop since high school

yeah trucker hat have been around forever as an alt accessory

hadn't seen bernard's new dn til now and am actually ol lol'ing

― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:43 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

its driving a vintage intl harvester thats on the new

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in a bar somewhere in greenpoint, eating olive oil mashed potatoes, drinking craft beer

nyc would be such a great place IF IT WEREN'T FOR ALL THE HIPSTERS!!!

mr del plz maintain academic objectivity in this thread

my bad

wow the field of hipster studies has really taken off since 2009 huh

feel like theres a really good n+1 related joke to be made here btw but i cant find it amidst all the hipsters &c &c

In 2001, in Atlanta when i first started hanging out, and there were these kids living in shitty houses, wearing lots of thrift store clothes, just drinking and listening to all the cool records all the time. Sure enough many of them ended up writing for Vice magazine lol!

At the time I was aware of two other types that i would have labelled hipster at the time. The Athens crowd was more or less like the Atlanta crowd (or visa versa) but back then it was the late heyday of E6 and all those guys were doing the post-Pavement or the Mr Rodgers thing fashion-wise. Like a holdout from the grunge days, with a heavier emphasis on the 60s. Stuff that showed up a few years later in Royal Tanenbaums and things. Of course it always amazes me that girls can basically wear cute vintage 60s clothes and fit in to any hipster fashion ideal over the next ten years. No matter what the trends are, a cure 60s polka dot dress or something fits in with the cool kids.

Before I came to Atlanta in 2001 the only other youth trend I was aware of was hardcore/punks/straightedge, who all seemed to gravitate towards the tight-fitting black clothes, white belts, etc. Some of the more advanced kids were doing mod or ironic punk stuff in the same scene, but most seemed to stick to the formula. Feels like many of these people still dress the same way today, only they just go to the punk clubs and aren't straightedge but now are alcoholics and/or coke heads. Or they are older and married and have a vintage car and look all rockabilly.

I do remember one time going to MJQ (the premiere hipster club) and seeing some kids in the audience with day-glow bandanas and ironic glasses and the whole 80s electro warrior thing like headband, wristbands, some kind of post-Korine aerobics costume on, etc. That's the only time I ever saw anybody and instantly thought "That is a hipsterrunoff style hipster".

the punk > rockabilly continuum is one of the saddest progressions

otm

I do remember one time going to MJQ (the premiere hipster club) and seeing some kids in the audience with day-glow bandanas and ironic glasses and the whole 80s electro warrior thing like headband, wristbands, some kind of post-Korine aerobics costume on, etc. That's the only time I ever saw anybody and instantly thought "That is a hipsterrunoff style hipster".

i hope that electroclash fashion comes back in a huge way in a few months

but also i am confused-- i think hro only began a couple of years ago, and i don't think anyone was still dressing like that circa 2008/2009. did you mean to say "vicemagazine"?

Yeah i think it was around then. Just using HRO as a reference. It was probably at a Girl Talk show. It was the first summer headbands were all over the place. I mean, you can point at someone wearing their everyday clothes and call them a hipster, but it definitely has a different meaning to it when someone is wearing 50% trendy accessories.

And I forgot, the skinny jeans-and-fitting flannel-and-converse was definitely a hardcore shows look while i was going to them in early 00s. At the time i thought it was partially a form of infantilism; dressing like you're younger than you are to rebel. Luke Skywalker haircuts to remind you of being a kid.

when i was in college there were these guys who worked at the sub shop and sold drugs and had gone from skinheads > hare krishnas > deadheads over the years. i wonder if they are still going to rainbow gatherings or if they have moved on to something else

I think we even called each other "kids". We were, what 18 or 19 or something.

Yeah i think it was around then. Just using HRO as a reference. It was probably at a Girl Talk show. It was the first summer headbands were all over the place.

ok 'cause now that i'm thinking about it i do remember seeing like some girl last year or so wearing that level of intense eighties fashion that you are describing. i guess it really has endured longer than i was thinking. that look was present as early as '99 or so in some circles, though

when i was in college there were these guys who worked at the sub shop and sold drugs and had gone from skinheads > hare krishnas > deadheads over the years. i wonder if they are still going to rainbow gatherings or if they have moved on to something else

― loose jorts (del), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:41 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

these dudes sound amazing

my friend dated one of them and when she broke up with him he went off to some parkland to trip for a day by himself in order to process it.

they were all pretty screevy though, in a kind of especially unglamorous side of psychedelia rainbow gathering sub shop drippings way

they're probably part of the nitrous tank mafia these days at string cheese incident shows or something

ok i take it back these dudes sound depressing

its rare to have the necessary out-of-body ambivalence necessary for extended lyfestile sampling

were truer words ever spoken?

its otm for sure, i must agree

fearing these chillwaver than thou attitudes have an expiration date, though.

i mean my mother in-law called me last night and harangued me about how i was "washed out". what is the world coming to?

Woah, Adam Bruneau, I've seen you post on a bunch of threads but I don't know that I ever realized you were a 2000s Athens/Atlanta dude. We probably know a lot of the same people, I moved to ATH from ATL for college in 2000, stayed till 06. And it was, yeah, polka-dot dresses through that entire period, with accessories getting louder, bigger, and more magnificently gauche throughout. I don't know if hardly any of it was ever worn ironically. The Elephant Six types just let their muttonchops develop but otherwise kept a vague 70s thing going. And then the straight up indie rock types, which I remember sort of drying up by mid-decade, but your, yknow, Pavement dudes, with or without Rivers Cuomo glasses. Those were the days.

just used Shazam to identify 'The Song Abt Thongs' by Sisqo 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck Retweeted by 5 people

hipsterrunoff
HIPSTER RUNOFF

kinda feel deeply annoyed that those hyundai ppl are so blithely getting tagged as 'hipsters' [via wearing clothes] when they p clearly arent

current studies lack any real rigour imo discipline is dead scene

Reminds me a lot of the way "alternative" briefly described a sort of college rock/original lollapalooza vibe and then wound up meaning "rock", and how people continued to complain loudly about how alternative didn't mean anything anymore even though the term continued to wander around for years like a zombie.

kinda reminds me how language/ideas are constantly shifting and recontextualizing throughout history

Or, you know, "folk" came to mean light music with acoustic guitars, "psychedelic" came to mean anything with a fuzz pedal, etc.

To be frank about it, calling them hipsters is not totally inaccurate, but certainly they are involved in a far, far, far lower-level of hipster than someone drooling coke-bubbles in the bathroom at Whartscape

― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:27 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

they may not technically be 'hipsters' but they could definitely pass. i wouldn't kick 'em out of a basement show for droppin crumbs, is what im sayin.
(well, maybe the dude if he started in with that silly bullshit)

i mean, kids at the mall in Blink 182 t-shirts are still techically "punks" even if they're not wearing a 15-year-old Crass T-shirt next to a dog with one eye

really? i mean n/a is right in that words shift meaning over time & often these descriptors get more catholic as they become more widespread but u of all ppl shld want to retain some nuance or value in the term????

anyway 'yuppie' is a perfectly good word imo, ppl shld just use it instead

help, i've realized i'm a Yindie (or am i a yupster?)

yuppie is also a word that lost a coherent meaning a long time ago, especially since you're using it to describe suburban people

well yeah obv. lamp, they're not "hipsters" in the 2004 sense of the word, but they are certaionly hipsters in the 2010 sense. Get with the times, bro

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When I started law school in 2008 I noticed I was one of only a handful of remotely hipsterish looking people, and by most standards I'm not very hipsterish looking. By Fall 2010 a huge portion of the incoming class looked like hipsters to me. The age of the hipster lawyer is upon us.

lol markers is was half-thinking of that in my pointless defense of 2nd generation hipster:

All descriptions of hipsters are doomed to disappoint, because they will not be the hipsters you know. But to those of you who are reading this in 2050, I can only say: Everything in this book is true, and its impressions are perfect

xpost u should sleep with them

I would have sex with all this hipster law students

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this pic seems relevant somehow

IF IT FLOATES, WE KNOAWE IT'S A HIPSTERE

Ehhh, the Cat-Power/Bang-Power looks is kinda going mainstream now. Chix on my campus whom shop at GAP or wherever chicks show seem to b sporting the look wholesale. The dude just has a fruity shirt.

*shop. chicks shop. where chicks shop. chick shop. dick flop.

They have matching bangs.

GIRLS OF YAHOO

IF IT FLOATES, WE KNOAWE IT'S A HIPSTERE

― buzza, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 6:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

Has this been referenced yet? : http://makeoutclub.com/

Wow, that is still around. That is like paleo-hipster studies.

The Bearded Dandy of Brooklyn

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oh christ "steampunk".

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OUIGI THEODORE, the founder of the Brooklyn Circus, a retro-urban fashion boutique and label, has heard it all before: dandy, preppy, Anglophile, fop. Still, he was flummoxed when a customer walked into his boutique a year ago, took one look at the bow ties and straw boaters for sale, and declared it the height of “steampunk.”

For some reason I imagine this being said by a victorian man -- "I declare this the very height of steampunk!"

thats what i call my morning shit.

1891: The Year Steampunk Broke

― Cunga, Monday, January 3, 2011 3:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

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im josh and i believe i will be gifted my own universe when i die

Are hipsters the new yuppies? I hear nothing but kvetching about hipsters, but yet everyone kind of seems to want to be one.

I had an unironic tantrum about seeing some of my coworkers try and transform into hipsters over the past year. I think I said something to the effect of: "DAMNIT, I'VE BEEN A WEIRDO FREAK SINCE 1992 AND I'VE PAID MY DUES... " blah blah blah. I said this all to myself, but I was sincerely annoyed. I think I've moved on since then.

so steampunk is like having a curly moustache... then dyeing it purple?

ah the hipster transformation. annoying.

it reminds me of when all the kids decided to turn grunge overnight in junior high.

nice try mormons, that skater's wearing flares!

i was in high school in the grunge era, always fascinating to see the high school QB suddenly wearing red dr marten boots.

and then getting mocked.

ah, the old "you called siamese dream faggot music, and now you're getting all rat in a cage, fuck you" moment

and then you see him at your 15 year high school reunion and he weighs 350lbs and smells of beef.

and you mock him.

sk8 or tithe

and then you think, all that sex he had in high school will never be taken away from him

and you find peace

no really tho the guy's an asshole

of course doing this made me an elitist or i guess a "hipster" in 1992?

and to be honest i probably had more sex then he did in high school. chicks be digging the long hair and lemonheads bro.

nice try mormons, that skater's wearing flares!

otm. in my experience, the hip christians always have something a little ...off about their style that makes them uncool

skateboarding isnt particularly cool thinking skateboarding is cool isnt cool trying to make yr uncool church seem cool by associating it w/skateboarding is really uncool and not bothering to wonder if anyone really wants coolness from a church in the first place is also uncool

fucking hipster religion

would like to introduce this to the debate plz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-q6MlBmyXA

sk8 or tithe

thread was worth it

lol

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in the public interest imo

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DONK DONK

that ninjasonik thing is just horrible.

no joke Bill Murray was spotted at one of their shows

I WANT TO BELIEVE

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not sure if this is so much general hipster studies as much as it is hipster relational aesthetics/social practices art project

gr8080 - its not 2009 anymore

it's basically a larger version of the "tent art" that was really trendy in the mid-2000s

if that's a joke it's dead on an hilarious

cool project max, how did you meet ash, emi and wes?

we were all signing along to the beatles in a starbucks one day

doing beatles sign language is next level

"oh, our sign-language beatles band? you probably... NEVER HEARD IT"

but now we can hear you through the gentle rustles of fort fabric

if that's a joke it's dead on an hilarious

― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:47 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

my first thought but p sure its real: http://blogs.pointloma.edu/thepointweekly/2011/03/21/%E2%80%98forts-and-the-inbetween%E2%80%99-building-relationships-from-the-ground-up/

they have a kickstarter page too: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/596792432/forts-and-the-inbetween?play=1&ref=search

oh ok, so it is a social practices art project.

listen though, if everyone jumped off the hill to roll and build a fort would you leap to regain your sense of childlike wonder

p sure its a trap tbh

yeah these guys are on some wide eyed white people cult shit

id rather go swimming, they're at the beach ffs

nothing helps me maintain my sense of childlike wonder more than played out art trends.

Emi and Ash are cuet tho

pull up in their volvo all hey come build a rape tent i mean fort with us

even small children are capable of recognizing patterns - though the joy tends to come from the recognition, doesn't it?

otoh it could be a really elaborate prank

Portlandia.

"Put a bird on it" = "Build a fort on it"

they were pulling some p gnarly leaps off that hill tho, got me thinking 'compound fracture'

why don't you build a fort and find out

bet those blankets smell pretty bad

this is basically burningman with more clothes and less drugs and fucking :(

have you been to burning man, gr80?

they seem happy

good for them

was thinking when theyre unfurling the sign from the bridge what if its a huge curtain that hangs all the way to the ground and the cars start screeching and crashing while the kids look at each other all smiling and dreamy like now the bridge is a fort and the drivers are experiencing the in between

what the fuck

portlandia meets community

thought they were going to break their legs for a second, barrelling off the hilltop like that

hey guys why don't you build a fort inbetween deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez nuts

ok someone doin a lil research on twitter

Haha, the mustache guy is a business major http://bit.ly/egRVDZ They go to a Christian liberal arts college.

have you been to burning man, gr80?

― sarahel, Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:16 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark

here's me in '07!!!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3228/2820886272_82a675b741.jpg

i went in '99 and 2000 - after it ceased being cool.

They go to a Christian liberal arts college.

― ice cr?m, Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:21 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes these guys vibe is totally hip christians

thought they were going to break their legs for a second, barrelling off the hilltop like that

― frogbsclovetofu (cozen), Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:20 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

ROLLING HIPSTER STUDIES amirite

I have a friend who went to that school and 'hip christian' totally describes him. he also has a moustache.

xp - should change thread title to include the word "bobbins"

lmao @ 2:00 when they get they try to do that "lots of people saying different bits of the same sentence" editing technique and totally fuck it up

i went in '99 and 2000 - after it ceased being cool.

lol I went from '96-'00 and yeah by '00 I was done with that shit. it went from being a couple thousand people with guns, drugs, fireworks, and no rules to being a giant rave in the desert with cops and shitty costumes

would love hang out with these guys at their house just so i could fart "in between" conversation

oops i forted

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these hipsters are lost in the in between state, wont you help them

btw id like to take this opportunity to recommended this slideshow to you all http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/23/fashion/sxsw-slide-show.html?ref=fashion#1

Catsupppp Dude: THIS IS HIPSTER FORT
someone needs to shop one of those stupid mustachio faces into dog fort
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A fort is a space where you can be "in between" us

i just saw a hipster beardo walk by my store wearing a coffee cup holster! is that a thing now? like a travel coffee cup worn on the side in a holster like a gunslinger.

two hipsters just walked into my store with their coffee in mason jars! is that a thing now?

idk but these two post make me lol

is that a thing now? should start a blog w/this

Mason jars CONDUCT heat

maybe they were trying to keep thier hands warm

man, i really thought those hipsters with the mason jars were gonna get out of here without asking me if i had any townes van zandt records, but blammo right as they were leaving they had to do it. luckily i kept them from getting violent by selling them a gram parsons record instead.

mason jars are great for booze, i guess i could see using one for coffee.

I can't tell if you are making fun of hipsters or people who work in record stores and mock customers for their predicatable tastes.

whats wrong w/ townes van zandt :(

I guess he's trending with the whong sorts.

oh nothing wrong with townes. just such a phenomena with the kids. i kinda knew that before i opened my store, but i didn't know HOW huge he was with college-y types. other people are getting townes spill-off since nobody has original townes copies lying around anyway. i sell john prine albums now.

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those pants are beige!

i wonder why?

i will confess to becoming a fan after his version of "dead flowers" appeared in the big lebowski but that was the 90's

my wife will make a huge pot of coffee and then save the leftover coffee in the fridge in a mason jar, to be reheated and drunk later. I dunno if this hipsterish so much as being cheap.

Mason jars are way better than tupperware for food storage. I always bring my lunch to work in jars.

do you stock new vinyl skot? they did some nice vinyl reisses of the townes albums

there is a definite overlap between hipsterish and cheap though!

what abt hipsterish and beige

beige isn't hipsterish. like, those are totally yuppie pants.

my wife and I also regularly preserve/pickle stuff so we tend to have a lot of mason jars about... I did think it was sort of ridiculous when I went to a random bar a couple weeks ago and was served my beer in a mason jar.

at the annual locavore outdoor food thing in Oakland, they serve all the beer in mason jars.

what's the point, exactly?

if they wanted to be really old school they'd serve it in wooden cups lol

yeah fuck that mason jar crap.

howtolive protip: drink all your beverages out only the fanciest glasses

dude this mason jar thing is no new thing, a sports-themed dive bar here did that ages ago.

i always lose my portable coffee mugs & once poured my coffee into a mason jar in a pinch one morning. it burnt my hand & i almost dropped it and had to walk around with my hands in my sleeves kind of juggling it to keep it from burning me through the fabric

yeah i actually need to email fat possum and ask about wholesale townes reissues on vinyl. i'm just lazy.

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townes always drank straight out of the bottle

i couldn't find cup holsters for walking around on the internet but i did find coffee corsets:

http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/coffee-cup-corsets#!/photos/36625/8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHPLVHgTGd0&feature=player_embedded

i already knew that virtual superhero enviromarketeering would be big this year. i didn't need TREND HUNTER to tell me that!

some coffee shops I've been tp expect you to bring your own cup, and if you don't they give it to you in a mason jar

I hate it the mason jars are always way too hot I think they know that tho ad are trying to hurt me

the trend hunter guy looks a bit like LJ? or is it just me?

it's the toothy grin.

otm

scooter coffee holster:

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Though I wld never use this because with my COFFEE UNLUCK I would end up with 200º F fluid all over my feet at the first bump, which seems like a bad idea while driving.

AND on the mason jar front my friend just bought me a mason jar sippy cup converter.
http://cuppow.com/img/product/cuppow-4.jpg
It hasn't come yet but I think it will make my wine-drinking evenings all the sweeter (fewer ruined shirts).

I know I am infantilizing myself but otoh red wine

i spill coffee every time everywhere! can i call this coffee unluck? i like it!

i don't think a sippy cup can even save me wrt coffee

i too am a lost cause wrt coffee

Cellphone photos are disposable and forgettable. In a photo booth, you plunk your money in and the result is frozen on film and in time. Hipster bars lead the way.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-holland-photobooth-20120803,0,4042676.column

"I'm so over digital," said Bess Byers, a Venice marketing researcher

I like this 'cause it's like...uh...have photo booths ever not been popular?

ya this has been a thing in la for like at least 10-12 years, and everywhere else

People like pictures of themselves. You can stick these on a fridge. You can make out in them. Kind of a no-brainer, really.

In a handful of hipster bars — Cha Cha Lounge, Edendale Grill — people are lining up to cram into photo closets, pull the curtain closed and wait for the flash to pop and freeze their goofy expressions.

two terrible bars

an in-action quote

"I'm so over digital," said Bess Byers, a Venice marketing researcher darting out of the One-Eyed Gypsy's vintage booth. "With film you only have one shot and that's that. You have to make it count."

In the digital world, "you could take a picture of a cockroach and make it look like Godzilla," Orange County resident Fernando Lazaro, an office worker, said, explaining why he and a friend ducked into the photo booth one night last week at the One-Eyed Gypsy bar downtown. But in the photo booth world, "this is real."

sepia-toned memories

two terrible bars

one crazy night

Lopez posed this hypothetical: You put a picture online, and your friends and relations repost it. Somebody working on a "10 Best ...." list runs a Google search and finds it on a blog or online scrapbook. Presto, you're No. 6 on the "Cute Guys with Beards" site.

bearded, cloned, and on a list.

two terrible bars

one crazy night

a night that none of us

http://msellenorrose.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/scan-photobooth.jpeg?w=580

would ever forget

w/s several of this hipsters

i need to partner up with a guy named lloyd and open a photo lab called "cellulloyd" in which i covert all yr digital mov.files to super8 or 16mm film stock in those authentic metal canisters with the white tape labels and also have a sideline selling authentic vintage film projectors and whatnot it'll look awesome in yr living room

lol @ this revive

ya this has been a thing in la for like at least 10-12 years, and everywhere else the mall

― buzza, Saturday, August 4, 2012 3:24 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy/olympics-hipsters-vs-music-fest-hipsters

pretty sure that Welsh footballer turned TV gobshite Robbie Savage is one of the "Dapper AltBros" in there. lol.

This is hilarious. This guy is mistaking 'yearning for what's real' for 'doing something you do in a bar'. Can't wait for the next article on how bar bathrooms are suddenly hip places to do drugs.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2012/08/worst_hipster_bands_all_time_c.php

would it surprise you to learn that there are already 2 threads on ilm about that

http://pohtpof.tumblr.com/

puppies of hipsters taking puppies of food

btw google trends graphs for "hipster" are pretty surprising -- steadily rose in popularity all the way up through last year, leveling off in the last 12 months or so. Would have thought it was already on the decline by 2012.

the stuff that was popular in Williamsburg in 2006 I'm starting to see around suburban NJ. some of my co-workers keep talking about hipster this, hipster that. I think we can safely say the hipster is now officially over.

did we ever get to the bottom of this

the stuff that was popular in Williamsburg in 2006 I'm starting to see around suburban NJ. some of my co-workers keep talking about hipster this, hipster that. I think we can safely say the hipster is now officially over.

― Spectrum, Friday, April 12, 2013 10:43 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

conclusion reached, lock thread

i guess we just did

the stuff that was popular in Williamsburg in 2006 I'm starting to see around suburban NJ. some of my co-workers keep talking about hipster this, hipster that. I think we can safely say the hipster is now officially over.

― Spectrum, Friday, April 12, 2013 10:43 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not to be captain obvious here, but this is true every year. The Williamsburg hipsters are just wearing some nu shit, ya heard? And they live in Bed Stuy now.

only took 4 years, not too bad

guess we won't have hipsters to kick around any more then

i heard you sold your turntables and bought two computer monitors and a trading platform

hipsterism died with Thatcher :(

some of my co-workers keep talking about hipster this, hipster that, where hipster at

I think when we got into this we knew it wouldn't last forever. Guess it's time to pack up the fixed gear... if that's even a hipster thing these days. Thank god I don't know any of this shit anymore.

Neon Indian piled onto a fixie, hipstering everything in sight.

skateboards, i've almost made them respectable

guys I just saw chuck schumer longboarding down metropolitan avenue eating a banh mi, it's OVER

*a kickball plaintively deflates in the background*

when your creeping up on retirement age coworker buys something "trendy" at Target and jokes that they are "kind of a hipster now"

last week a student told me he thought i was a hipster. then he asked me if it was an offensive term. then i had to explain to the whole class the difference between hipsters and yuppies. i couldn't tell if he was pulling my leg or what, but it was educational enough and related to our conversation.

yuppies is a term not used enough these days

hipster/yuppie is an age difference, not a class difference

i was trying to describe a co-worker to someone last week when the word "yuppie" came out of my mouth and i was like "damn, otm."

it's a cultural difference

there's a "young professionals" group (ugh ugh) around town that I would definitely say is composed of yuppies. a few may be hipsters, but they're definitely not the core group

i was explaining TO THE CLASS
my class
was not talking about a class difference!

in 2013 there's def gonna be a lot of overlap because yuppies do care abt what's hip

yuppies -> defined by employment, age, location

hipsters -> defined by interests, appearance, and affectations

imo

please elaborate, though, LL!

gr80 also otm

idk, maybe it's more of a NYC/SF phenomenon where you have so many people working in the media/"creative" industries, but there's an enormous overlap here

xp lol lechera sorry

i was only trying to indicate that no one in my class knew the difference between a hipster and a yuppie AT ALL, not just what that means in 2013

you guys are something else!

like when I lived in and commuted from Williamsburg the train was packed wall-to-wall every morning with people you would think by their looks were artists or in bands, except their clothes were a little too crisp and new, and they were all obviously commuting to real jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU

i didn't even realize there was an overlap between yuppies and hipsters. isn't part of the stereotype that hipsters have fake jobs or no jobs?

I guess what I'm saying is that for a long time there have been an inordinate amount of people here who are basically yuppies but look like hipsters, or alternatively, will officially be yuppies in a few years once they pop out a baby.

this ain't no one night stand
it's a real occasion

i feel a lot more conflicted about being a yuppie than i ever did about being a hipster

I feel you.

I used to play in two different bands. Now I have two different strollers.

i get it, squeezin' out puppies = you're now a yuppie

Can a person really go from being a hipster to being a norm? I think that would be difficult if not impossible ... it must be a new form that can accomodate the previous identity. Destroying already-built affectations risks complete ego failure that would send the individual into a severe crisis. I think "yupster" could safely transition someone from hipster to yuppie, but it sounds like a brand of dog toy. Which I think is fitting because yupsters are really dog toys for the man to chew up and vomit all over.

from being a hipster to being a norm

"a norm"

you realize most hippies turned into the suburban assholes who voted for Reagan, right?

just about anyone can transition to a norm given the right employment/income opportunity imo

xpost

being a norm is cool

hipsters are out, but weird norms are in

stealth weirds

pretty sure most hipsters are on the norm continuum

from being a hipster to being a norm

"a norm"

you realize most hippies turned into the suburban assholes who voted for Reagan, right?

― I, rrational (mh), Friday, 12 April 2013 16:11 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this requires interesting values of both 'most' and 'hippies' i think

true!

I'm working remotely in a coffee shop in Chicago's Wicker Park that has a full-sized model of the Delorean from Back to the Future in it. Is there anything you would like to know from the field?

i was there last week, that place is for 'cool nerds' not 'hipsters'

Whenever artsy friends compare themselves to norms I have to rmde and try to restrain myself from telling them what a load of ego-feeding crap that is, and how they really aren't any better than the norms. That you talk about painting or experimental music or Deep Thoughts and somehow that makes you better than if you were talking about football or American Idol? The point of being an artist is that you are somehow keyed into some underlying, non-superficial Truth to the universe, and as soon as you start blowing smoke up your butt about how being an artist makes you better then you are being the worst kind of superficial, judgmental, materialist asshole you purport to be better than.

It's a lower-level version of social mis-judgement quite a bit like a politician who says "I am tired of all the partisan politics of the other party".

xxxxxxxxp I'm having a hard time believing you couldn't see my use of "norm" was tongue in cheek.

lol carl
please describe one person of your choice

i was there last week, that place is for 'cool nerds' not 'hipsters'

― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Friday, April 12, 2013 4:19 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's a fine distinction.

The person in my direct line of sight actually looks like our own darraghmac but bigger and is too old and health looking to be a hipster which is maybe proving thomp's point.

haaaaa i was just having a convo w/ lagoon abt the term "norm"

me: has ilx had a discussion yet abt the use of "norm" or "normie" as a pejorative
lagoon: ha no but i tihnk we can break ilx for once and all if we work on this

http://www.davidstuff.com/humor/normp.jpg

I don't know, though, this darraghmac look-a-like is wearing a neon Stussi t-shirt and he was just joined by a fellow in tight, acid-washed jeans. But they are talking about business stuff? I'm confused.

haaaaa i was just having a convo w/ lagoon abt the term "norm"

saddest thing about ilx in 2011/12 was no thread about the taxonomy of 'norm' and 'weirdo'

just some whites talking about norms

kill all white people

they're already dead

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/po/39.jpg

stealth weirds

― chinavision!, Friday, April 12, 2013 12:13 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hydrochloric beards

i was only trying to indicate that no one in my class knew the difference between a hipster and a yuppie AT ALL, not just what that means in 2013

you guys are something else!

― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, April 12, 2013 11:51 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My dominican neighbors (aka the residents of my 30 unit bldg who are not hipsters/yuppies) also do not know this difference, as a result I have been using these 2 terms interchangeably for several years now and have had no reason to stop

I miss my psycho neighbor Louis affably referring to me to my face as a yuppie

what is the name of this coffee shop?

the wormhole

Correct. thewormhole.us

seems mostly ok

Yeah, sure. I actually had a very nice morning there. It's a good place to work. Really good coffee. Really really good homemade pop tart thing. Free wifi. Giant console TV in the back with a Super Nintendo hooked up to it.

I like these field reports

from the ILXor lurker ads:

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okcupid already kinda exists

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wicker park has a lot of "hipstery" places but really it is a double-wide stroller neighborhood

is "date a hipster" the new makeoutclub or whatever that site was?

Makeoutclub actually had very little to do with making out with anybody AFAICT

I can't remember if that is what I am thinking of or a different site. Something with the emos posting their intense-looking pictures and personal-type info

Norm

http://ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/norm-peterson.jpg

i bet date a hipster is one of those weird marketing sites that collects your personal information and sells it to an affiliate. a hipster affiliate.

i feel a lot more conflicted about being a yuppie than i ever did about being a hipster

― Reggie (Lamp), Friday, April 12, 2013 11:58 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:-(

Xposts that was MOC, yup. There was also Lipstickparty, same deal. But it was closer in spirit to like the livejournal/diaryland emo/weirdo community-building thing than a dating site as such. I think you basically could have one photo and a blurb/blog/.plan, and you couldn't really narrow down searches or do any kind of matching.

Are we talking about Hipsters, or "Hipsters"?

Hipsters, as in, the people who read Pitchfork, go to ATP and listen to bands that most people genuinely haven't heard of, or the people who spend their lives tweeting about how much they love Arctic Monkeys and Nandos?

MOC is more notable for being proto-friendster than proto-OKC

being a norm is cool

― chinavision!, Friday, April 12, 2013 11:13 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hipsters are out, but weird norms are in

― chinavision!, Friday, April 12, 2013 11:13 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stealth weirds

― chinavision!, Friday, April 12, 2013 11:13 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i identify w this description
got a regular job and baby and haircut and no tats but lets talk about how cars should be banned and listen to oneohtrix at the pta meeeting, mijo

feel this ^

i was recently called a "secret hipster", so i'm down with stealth weird.

lmao imagining buzzfeed article talking about stealth weird twitter and links to this thread as the genesis of #themovement

i asked a co-worker named marnie if she'd ever heard of marnie stern today

had she?

for your next trick, you can ask her if she has seen the film Marnie.

I tried to make a joke about the hipsters in fishtown with my friend who is a firefighter in Philly and he thought I was using the term in the "jazz-bo" sense.

hepcats! beatniks!

http://www.ticklemevintageblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/831.jpg

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/13/real-hipsters-of-vancouver-audition-tapes_n_3064475.html

xpost different cliché but same vividity.

Weird, I know someone on that.

I tried to make a joke about the hipsters in fishtown with my friend who is a firefighter in Philly and he thought I was using the term in the "jazz-bo" sense.

lolwtf

I wanted to make a "jazz-b's skinny arms" joke but it wd prob have been too obscure

jazz-bo not jazz-b

man, i really thought those hipsters with the mason jars were gonna get out of here without asking me if i had any townes van zandt records, but blammo right as they were leaving they had to do it. luckily i kept them from getting violent by selling them a gram parsons record instead.

― scott seward, Friday, February 10, 2012 2:35 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

not really new i guess but i have just noticed that people sometimes carry mason jars around in lieu of a water bottle. in their backpacks, in the sports webbing, i guess. hope they don't bump into anything hard

my neighborhood artisanal coffeeshop has been selling mason jars turned into 'water bottles' by an ARTIST

even worse they are the little kind, like who ever wanted to carry around a cup (1 c) of water

mason jars are what suffice for drinking glasses in my house. didn't realize it was a thing among the hipsters. just thought it was hillbilly.

Using a mason jar as a flask - esp. at clubs with overpriced drinks - has been something I've done since 2009.

why

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/idco/pour-mason-pour-over-coffee-attachment-for-mason-j

why? so I don't have to buy the overpriced drinks, so I can drink booze from home and save $.

it isn't like i go out and buy the mason jars though - i have them already.

i imagine that mason jars have become more popular with the rise of pickling and homesteader/locavore food culture

why don't you use a flask for a flask

http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/da03/reef_dram.jpg

because i'd have to buy a flask, whereas i already own mason jars!

http://www.npr.org/blogs/theprotojournalist/2013/12/23/256313507/what-exactly-is-hipster-christianity

Close friends of mine are heavily into a similar-sounding church in London. I have strong feelings about it all but I've never quite managed to articulate them without sounding like a sneering fuckhead.

maybe you could say "religion doesn't have to cater to your insipid taste"

Christian churches syncretizing with the consumer culture of middle-class youth shocker

Oh yeah and you can hardly blame them for trying to expand their appeal and be ~relevant~ and all. But like

"Our carols are way cooler than you've experienced," Lentz says. A visitor is "more likely to hear Mariah Carey ... than carols by candlelight."

When my friend was first getting into this stuff you could see he was pretty excited about finding this place where he fit in and could socialise with people who felt the same way as him (he'd been brought up pretty religious and moved away from it in his twenties) and it was pretty great to see, but it got really annoying that he couldn't talk about it without appending a big 72pt asterisk. Like "yeah, it's called church buuuuut everyone swears and drinks and has tats and is a subeditor for the observer style pages and therefore I'm not the object of scorn for doing this that I apparently feel I would be if i were going to a normal church".

group minded ppl are group minded ppl, i think

Is ironic detachment still necessary to hipster status? Because if so, church is way too sincere to ever be truly "hipster." You can't ironically have faith.

the irony is that they get to be cool in church

Is ironic detachment still necessary to hipster status? Because if so, church is way too sincere to ever be truly "hipster." You can't ironically have faith.

― carl agatha, Monday, December 30, 2013 5:03 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk some of the jesus beardos i know have p postmodern-friendly readings of scripture even if its not 'ironic' its def a kinda 'detachment' from more typical evangelical readings

The Bible could use more detached readings imo.

"Hipster" and "Christianity" are both words that are so meaninglessly vague that putting them together means almost literally nothing, but ultimately it sounds like it's just "church as community" for younger people (which is fine).

some of the jesus beardos i know

young quakers are very kool

even if its not 'ironic' its def a kinda 'detachment' from more typical evangelical readings

Anything that isn't a typical evangelical reading of the bible is a detachment from typical evangelical readings, though.

And the holidays are treated a little differently at Hillsong NYC. "Our carols are way cooler than you've experienced," Lentz says. A visitor is "more likely to hear Mariah Carey ... than carols by candlelight."

mariah carey: textbook definition of cool

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gD5lDsP26Xk/Uo1_TIVNfjI/AAAAAAAAEOo/YkU4CyaD67A/s640/HIPSTER+ALBERIONE+WITH+WORDS.JPG

what is the london equivalent of that nyc shitshow

hoos otm re quakers

100% down for and excited abt the inevitable mass rediscovery of xtianity by jaded bluestaters searching for an alternative to american nihilism and its faux-religious skin but idk if "we don't play boring hymns here we play INDIE ROCK" is gonna spark a lot of crosscultural solidarity. still, tho, churches are local and they should be what makes sense w their congregations, so, this is not my church, is all.

i don't care how people choose to associate themselves peacefully but it's super irritating when they act like they invented singing with zeal and being nice to people.

well they can't just say they've found unexpected ways to synergize formerly distinct modes of sanctimony, they gotta put a face on it

unexpected ways to synergize formerly distinct modes of sanctimony

wow ty

what's unexpected about going to church?

like maybe if u had food trucks there, i wouldnt expect that, take that potlucks

Hillsong is an Australian pentecostal megachurch. Don't know how they set up a hipster outpost in New York.

franchising

for the record we were doing hillsong hymns in my crazy pentecostal church like 15 years ago so

*strokes jesus beard*

what is the london equivalent of that nyc shitshow
I think my friend now goes to one in King's Cross, but I was specifically referencing http://www.stmaryslondon.com. He had a fridge magnet that was supposed to look like a prescription medicine packet and it said

C H U R C H *
(*non-drowsy)

which made me all kinds of IA.

There's also a coffee shop on brick lane (it's name sounds like Kahlua) with suspiciously beautiful staff that I think uses edison bulbs and mason jars as a front for backwater dogoodery.

I've never quite managed to articulate them without sounding like a sneering fuckhead

still, tho, churches are local and they should be what makes sense w their congregations

pithy summing up of protestantism tbf

man imagine singing fucking fleet foxes at church

Thought the article was gonna be about the Polyphonic Spree

mariah has some gospel jams tbh

lol the unitarian church i briefly attended wasn't a zillion miles from this altho much more palatable

the unitarian church i went to a couple times in the 90s sang some nice simple hymns from different continents after a thoughtful lecture about ethnographic differences in the expression of hope, or something like that. i think the snacks came from the organic grocery. idk if i had a lifestyle that was more in sync with getting up before noon on a Sunday, maybe i'd go to one here because singing in a an attractive old building with cool acoustics is p dope. but honestly, that is probably not gonna happen until i'm a senior citizen and shit.

hymns are great

well, not all of them

100% down for and excited abt the inevitable mass rediscovery of xtianity by jaded bluestaters searching for an alternative to american nihilism

Niche has already been filled by overalls, banjos, beards, vests, etc. Among that crowd religion seems more or less like just another signifier.

The return of 70s Jesus beardos with acoustic guitars

coming soon: fritzed out sex communes gone horribly awry

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2014/01/08/how-to-annoy-hipsters/

i think the poke doesn't understand hipsters

lol

I think it's a universal rule that "cool church" is 10x later than uncool church.

this 'hipster christianity' is so incredibly disappointing, it is an idea w/ much scope but those guys are just

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rHOBCQz3geI/SahHGBMvhwI/AAAAAAAAAhM/w8yxN4Ff0ow/s320/Poochie.gif

http://priceonomics.com/the-hipster-music-index/
with uncredited hipster puppy image!
http://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/627/ScreenShot2014-03-04at11.28.50AM.png

In summary, we did a very important and scientific analysis about what kind of music is hipster-approved. Sun Kil Moon, Fuck Buttons, The Field, and Julia Holter made the cut. Unfortunately, Daft Punk, Arcade Fire, My Bloody Valentine, and Arcade Fire did not.

The analysis was inconclusive, however, on one very important question for hipsters. Is it okay to like Vampire Weekend?

C/D: getting really defensive when girls teasingly tell you that you're "such a hippppster"

the hipster/college resurgence of SKM is weird

in the single they play on Sirius XMU, he references the Postal Service tho

xpost

regarding "is it ok to like _____?"the answer is obvious: if you have to ask, it's not ok

^ gets it

lol at drake right next to SKM on the hipster list

no1 now living

need a rolling urban sophisticates thread though

How is MBV less of a hipster band than Vampire Weekend?

The methodology of that study is dubious at best

How is MBV less of a hipster band than Vampire Weekend?

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, March 5, 2014 6:32 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

olds + youngs = norms

very trustworthy graph from people who call the website that launched foxygen, mutual benefit and perfume genius a "highly influential website"

Co-Founder
Previously started FratMusic. BS in Systems Engineering.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/13/realestate/new-york-boomers-on-hipster-turf.html

The place is steps from what Mr. Weir describes, only half tongue in cheek, as the “groovy dad Gowanus coffee shop,” a.k.a. the brick-walled Root Hill Cafe on Fourth Avenue. “It’s always filled with lots of arty, paint-spattered stay-at-home dads,” Mr. Weir said, “along with kids wearing natural fabrics.” He suspects that everyone he sees hunched over a laptop is laboring over a webcast TV show.

An incident that occurred his first week in the neighborhood encapsulates what he likes about it. Mr. Weir needed a slab of plywood for his bed. He poked his head into an artists’ supply store, where a blue-jeaned worker “gave me a piece of wood and said, ‘O.K., man, just take it for free and pay it forward.’ It was like something out of a movie.”

“I’m still a little afraid of how groovy and arty my neighbors are,” said Mr. Weir, who is working on a novel about a 50-something man much like himself living in a neighborhood much like Gowanus. “To be honest, I don’t feel hip enough for Brooklyn. But when you’re 55, and you see people forming themselves and determining what they’re going to be, that’s a good feeling. I like being around people who haven’t fully found themselves.”

Nicely timed with the Disney parks thread revive:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lCjrngLXO4A/Uh1W5ImsccI/AAAAAAAABFo/fBlVIKhCtXY/s1600/tumblr_mmjyhnTXVj1qea0tko1_500.jpg

I bought that shirt like mere hours after my plane landed in orlando

pvmic

you were that shirt like mere hours after etc

In searching for a home, he had ruled out neighborhoods like Forest Hills, Queens — “a grandma place,” as he described it. “I wanted to live someplace younger,” Mr. Stone said. “I liked that the restaurants on Vernon Boulevard aren’t too stuffy, that they’re more casual than the ones you find in older neighborhoods. I like that you see people walking the streets late at night.”

lol joke's on you old lady

old man, rather

old man, look at my life
im a new york hipsterrrrrr

http://www.buzzfeed.com/justincarissimo/are-you-actually-a-hipster

kid cudi and log cabins and leafy greens and sunglasses, soooo hip lololol

i got a 14 on that hipster quiz and i think most of the things i clicked were beer-related?

I really do love that this guy's grasp of contemporary hispterdom is "artists pitchfork rode for TEN YEARS AGO"

Are you a really a hip-hop fan? Click these pictures of Lloyd Banks and Ja Rule and D12 to find out!

part of being a hipster is never aging

"once a hipster touchstone always a hipster touchstone" -- just ask The Rapture M.I.A. Hall & Oates

does anyone even care about the word hipster anymore? it seems dated, like only my mom / the nyt would be arguing about what constitutes a hipster anymore.

You must be wearing sunglasses, you cool, cool, person, you.

it's good to hear other people argue about it in their own circumstances because then you can study its debilitating effects without suffering them

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kltXH0u1pgU/UZvaRxYqoNI/AAAAAAAABds/wLzIy-VhWFE/s1600/operationannihilatehd304.jpg

was the picture of Buddy Holly about his glasses or are hipsters really into "Not Fade Away" and I just haven't noticed?

i thought it was a weezer thing

are we even talking about whether people talk about hipsters anymore anymore

this is just a prelude to a ginormous culture war against hipsters

oh wait did no one post that rightwing book in this thread?

http://foxnewsinsider.com/sites/foxnewsinsider.com/themes/insider_3/images/generic-share.jpg

sorry
http://foxnewsinsider.com/sites/foxnewsinsider.com/files/styles/780/public/Gutfeld_BookCover.jpg

not cool: with the beatles by some guy

Motherfucker looks like he's wearing a pince-nez with no lenses.

^ possible new hipster look to supersede buddy holly specs

BIG BROTHER, New York Times bestselling author of THE TWO MINUTES HATE

NOT COOL story bro

I have been a fan of the Gutfeld Institute of Rational Brain Activity for several years now. Writing this review will probably be one of the hardest reviews I've written in Amazon. Taken on its surface, Greg takes on just about every form of lunacy, pop culture, crazy Hollywood "stars," crazy dictators, crazy Hollywood talking heads, all of the news networks, several crazy representatives of different cultures which make up our society, fracking, Obamacare, the American society as it stands today, and if I named everything, that would be my review!

I cannot tell you how much I laughed at various phrases he uses to describe totally ridiculous things people who should know better say or do throughout his stories. The Chapter on Hugo Chavez nearly made me pass out.

I know intelligence when I see it. And from the first day I saw Greg on Red Eye, I knew he was a whole lot smarter than he let on. Greg is that very rare person who has the ability to see through all the BS going on around him, ferret it out, and somehow not only make it make sense, but make sense in a way that make liberals blow flames out of their ears and leave conservatives wondering if he's on their side or not.

Nevertheless, his grasp of today's youth, today's average social network surfer, today's COOLness and how upside down society is becoming because of it, is so spot on, it's like he took a million post it notes, somehow put them in order, and actually makes sense how this invasion of the quantity vs. quality social scale came to be. Then, somehow, he uses his snarky wit and crazy/sane verbiage to bring it all together and MAKE SENSE! A dry fact-filled book would sit on a shelf and collect dust.

Greg reaches out to today's youngest generation whose parents are so busy working, taking part in social media, keeping the kids busy in after school activities, because THEY are as confused as their parents. Somehow they manage to find down time, Yoga, the Gym, book clubs and possibly the more necessary wine clubs, to get in their free time trying to rest up to do it all over again tomorrow.

His comments and additional stories about SO MUCH STUFF COMING IN TODAY are critically relevant. The fact that EVERYTHING has become politicized, making the field much more muddy, makes his effort to let us know COOL is not (or should not be) our ultimate goal in life. As some of us watch things sag, more and more, not seeming to have an engine to run it or a rudder to guide it, it seems like everything depressingly has no direction. Sort of like algebrabraic equations no longer equal anything. He pushes back, pointing out how dumb it is that we are caught in this sad maze of who to blame, what to do, where to go, how to get it, turns it on its head and points his finger at the who, what, where, and why and in very plain and colorful language, accurately puts the blame where it belongs (on us!!! :-0 ). WE make decisions every day that affect our families, our friends, our parents, our children and buy INTO this crazy society that COOL is, indeed, COOL, and we must attain it at any price. Of course, when he says it, over and over again, it is funnier and full of biting wisdom.

Greg is asking us to wake up out of our stupor, and perhaps on any Hollywood award night, maybe we should NOT be glued to the empty-headed nonsense going on in the media, and turn it BACK to where it belongs: TOWARD THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN! GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS - HELP BRING BACK ALL THAT WE'VE LOST! DO SOME RESEARCH AND SUPPORT A GOOD CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD PASS THE TEST OF THE GREG GUTFELT INSTITUTE of RATIONAL BRAIN ACTIVITY!! We can do this!!! And Greg is at the head of the line!!

Our priorities are hideously twisted, Greg's entire book shouts that out. We MUST read this book carefully to find out HOW, while there is still time left, we break the hold that money, technology, fashion, peeking into other people's lives via reality TV, and ANYTHING Hollywood is trying to sell us in general, has on us, that we check out the Constitution, check out the business pages now and again, and most importantly, get educated on religions, groups of people, those living on assistance, government hand outs, and the most important thing given to us of all: FREEDOM! We live in the best country in the world and we let these false-faced nutballs in the media dictate our lives!

Now he is on FOX NEWS NETWORK ON The Five (at 5:00 p.m.Monday through Friday), a brilliant addition to the team, still has his fun on Red Eye (also on FOX News Network), has written his (I think) 2nd full book (Edit: 3/21/2014 - I stand corrected - Dana said today on the Five that this is his SIXTH BOOK - my most humble apologies to the author), is winning the respect of no less than Bob Beckel (not an easy thing for a guy like Greg to do!!), is turning up on Bill O'Reilly, and is on his way to becoming one of the great thinkers of his generation (seriously!).

This book has much more meat to it than the last book. I think it could have been cut into four books, with more factoids added to educate the masses to the mess this country is currently wallowing in. Greg Gutfeld is one of those writers who can, in one sentence, cut the lies out of the mouths of (fill in the blank) and tie it up in a bow so funny, you might have to go back and ponder what he said for several days.

I don't like my own review, even though I've been at it for two days. I can't catch Greg's amazing ability to cut through all the BS handed to us every day and somehow have it make sense and make it edgy and funny at the same time (funny as in funny rational). So, go out and buy his book. NOW!!!!! His numbers will make him lots o' money, yes. More importantly, it will show the Hollywood COOL and the Washington D.C. COOL and the campus COOL people that we have their number. While Hillary and Obama danced, four of our best men died in Benghazi. Just this week, while they danced again, the Crimea section of the Ukraine was stolen and taken away by Putin. On the international front, things do not look good. On the National front, things don't look good. WAKE UP, AMERICA!! While the cat's been away, the mice have been carting out little pieces of what made this country the exceptional nation it WAS.

NOT COOL is one of the finest relevant books on the state of our world today. Greg has the intelligence to pull it all together, the thick skin not to care who he skewers (they deserve it), a vast range of observations and knowledge to pull from, and a slightly self-deprecating way to end it. One thing I know, you will learn much you did not know when you started Not Cool. I will be keeping this one near me as a reference guide to the Not Cool and don't know it crowd!! Five stars for a book well done, Greg Gutfeld! Very, very cool book! No, having heard Greg say today (Edit - 3/21/2014) on The Five that Greg thinks cool is actually evil (in terms of its collective effect on society) - very, very, GOOD book!

His numbers will make him lots o' money, yes. More importantly, it will show the Hollywood COOL and the Washington D.C. COOL and the campus COOL people that we have their number.

So we're going to stick it to the Washington/Hollywood/Campus COOL by buying a book written by a UC Berkley graduate whose career has been in writing/editing mainstream magazines like Prevention, Men's Health and Maxim, and who currently hosts two shows on the world's highest-rated 24 hour news channel?

I want to buy a copy just to see what proper nouns he uses in it

Washington COOL

"it's like he took a million post it notes, somehow put them in order"

kinda makes me die inside that this is regarded as praise in 2014

hey, at least it didn't say "a million tweets"

burning brightly in the night

waiting for the power point edition

this is an interesting strategy to win the youth demographic

http://jessemichaelsblog.tumblr.com/post/89178134860/white-guy-record-collection-and-cultural-materialism

an ilxor/facebook friend posted this and then i read it and tried to go back and facebook did the thing where it reorganizes the entire order of the feed and also reminds you to purchase something from Dollar Shave Club, so i'm sorry that i can't say exactly who posted about it.

so this is a lil tumblr post focusing in on that particular kind of social interaction where it feels like people are subtly (or not so subtly) competing to name cooler and more obscure bands than you are, and it pisses you off because you're not playing the same mindgames and maybe you just wanted to talk about a specific band in a genuine way.

1) The cultural materialism game ruins and devalues art. It takes what is good and worthwhile in a world that is overwhelmingly empty and vicious, and turns those songs, books, movies, whatevers, into poker chips for the big, nauseating ego struggle that most genuine art serves to oppose.

i sympathize with that argument, on the occasions that the other person(s) in the terrible conversation/game are doing the oneupsmanship thing on purpose. but then there's the following paragraph:

2) The cultural materialism game ruins and devalues social interactions. I simply don’t care about how much internet research somebody did on Detroit garage rarities / chopped and screwed hip hop / unknown Friedkin scripts / obscure British sketch comedy / little known hallucinogens / Fringey French Filosophers / African post punk / carnivorous plants that double as analgesics / Foucault / Derrida / Zizek / Huelbeckqxgfdm ETC ETC ETC. Again, I am NOT saying all those things are not interesting or shouldn’t be discussed. Of course they are all great things, especially Huelbeckqx˙∆˚∫. ˙ I am saying that when people converse by shoving savvy-objects in each others’ faces, it destroys any possibility of real, non-pressurized human interaction.

i get that he's offering a parody of the aforementioned oneupsmanshipping mindgamers by rattling off his own list of semi-obscure genres of note, but he's also (unintentionally, i think) demonstrating that some people casually rattle these things off simply because they KNOW about them and think they're relevant! there certainly exists a subset of total assholes who reference and speak on a very shallow level about certain things just to show that they know about them and are therefore cool, but there are also many
people who actually know about these things and find them relevant and bring them up in conversation because they feel like they're adding something useful into the conversation and possibly offering someone else a new artistic path to explore. hell, maybe that's how they found out about obscuro band x - through a conversation where someone mentioned it.

the infuriating thing about watching norms complain about hipsters is that they often conflate people who are being shallow douches with people who have a deep well of knowledge and aren't afraid to share it with others.

anyway, i actually like the linked post for the most part! i understand and sympathize with what he's saying, and since the people he's complaining about are friends of his, he's probably not making a mistake in attributing their conversational motivations to the desire to seem cool. it just points to a pet peeve of mine, this gut instinct of some people to roll their eyes at any reference that they deem to be "for show". if you talk to some people they seriously think that listening to radiohead makes you a hipster (or arcade fire). and then there are people that roll their eyes at anyone that doesn't wear running shoes on their days off who roll their eyes at the people who are rolling their eyes at the people who listen to radiohead, because they've never even heard of radiohead - "how pompous that this guy is standing here complaining about how someone else mentioned this band i've never heard of! god what a fucking hipster, this guy who doesn't wear running shoes on his days off". it's a terrible fucking spiral that just leads to lowest common denominator conversations where people are afraid to mention anything that others don't know of for fear of appearing to be a hipster. ugh, fuck that.

there was a lil' post on twitter yesterday (again i forgot who, i can't remember anything) where someone was saying that it's so fucking sad when someone starts speaking passionately about a subject in conversation and then stops themselves short and apologizes ("i'm sorry, i just get excited when i talk about X") and changes the subject, because it's a sign that at some point some fucking asshole criticized that person while they were talking about something they were really into, and now they've internalized the feeling that it's not cool to speak about things you really like to people who don't know about it. whoever said that on twitter, OTM

(sorry for rambling posts these days, i go through phases and currently i'm in the one where i can't stfu apparently)

I think a lot of music (or other thing) nerds actually enjoy that kind of interaction, and it seems to be the author who is made to feel anxious and pressured by it. I can relate to that, and I don't think he's entirely wrong, but I don't think that's the sole purpose of that kind of interaction either.

("i'm sorry, i just get excited when i talk about X")

...

(sorry for rambling posts these days,

<3

ugh, well i was going to add even MORE on to that ramble but stopped myself short (there is a line that must be drawn somewhere), but i was going to mention that the twitter thing touched a nerve with me because i have that same tendency (as demonstrated) and i hate it!

carnivorous plants that double as analgesics / Foucault / Derrida / Zizek / Huelbeckqxgfdm ETC ETC ETC.

What, no Adorno?

there was a lil' post on twitter yesterday (again i forgot who, i can't remember anything) where someone was saying that it's so fucking sad when someone starts speaking passionately about a subject in conversation and then stops themselves short and apologizes ("i'm sorry, i just get excited when i talk about X") and changes the subject, because it's a sign that at some point some fucking asshole criticized that person while they were talking about something they were really into, and now they've internalized the feeling that it's not cool to speak about things you really like to people who don't know about it. whoever said that on twitter, OTM

otm
also, i have been accused of "yammering" on multiple occasions, some of them formative i guess :(
i also learned not to offer info unless someone asks. which they rarely do so i walk around being quietly excited about stuff basically all the time

I think when people go into fits like that talking about records or books or games or restaurants it is an expression of anxiety/desire to prove oneself AND a genuine expression of enthusiasm. We do lots of things socially that have hidden meanings relating to inclusion/exclusion, status, approval/disapproval. I don't think there's any such thing as some kind of "pure human interaction" unadulturated by that kind of thing.

tend setting - http://nymag.com/guides/everything/ceramics-2014-6/

er, trend.

Last time I was at Brooklyn Flea it occurred to me that all this artisinal Brooklyn stuff is just a rehash of what our bobo parents did. The ceramics thing confirms that.

some people are just naturally more enthusiastic talkers than others, and people can find that annoying
some people also delight in finding things to dislike about others
like sand through the hourglass, so go the days of our lives

i genuinely know very few hipster ceramicists; the vast majority at any studio i've been to are grammas and housewives with like a 20% production potter (read: makes stuff for sale, primarily on etsy and generally the same general form over and over and over) and 5% fine artist bent. Hipster pottery studios are out there tho'; pretty sure Choplet fits the mold.

Yeah was also gonna say that that article seems very much in the mold of a NYTimes "no way this is as much of a thing as they say it is" article.

knowledge/taste can be used as a way of flaunting status or expertise, so i guess it can be a difficult area since peoples' identities are involved. which can be frustrating if you're the sort-of person who likes learning and experiencing as much as possible about lots of different things and likes to keep life fresh. some people get enjoyment from that, some people enjoy status/power more or are easily threatened, prefer a small stable world, take too much pride in what they know now, who knows. i've found that there are people out there who get seriously offended if you mention something they don't know about, and people who use their knowledge or interests as a social weapon.

but then there are people who are adventurous, curious, and put enjoying and exploring life at a higher priority. personally i like sharing all the things i've discovered, because i've appreciated the same from other people ... like when i was just getting into music growing up i learned about new worlds of music from other people. and i'm perfectly happy paying it forward, because it's fun sharing!!!, but i've found it makes some people feel seriously uncomfortable, like you're a messenger bringing the bad news.

i can sympathize with that a little. sometimes i'll feel stupid if i don't know what people are talking about, but i've swallowed my pride in those moments and discovered some of my favorite interests that way. my strategy now is to feel people out to see if they're open to that sort-of dialogue, and if not i'll keep my mouth shut because it's not really productive to focus on incompatible points in personality.

and like, in my weaker moments i've done what that blog dude criticizes. i think becoming mature is about letting go of ego/pride/insecurity in that way, but it can be tough because knowledge and taste is so ingrained as a marker of social status. so if you go after people for engaging in that activity, you can trace it back to our own culture. whole thing makes me want to read more bourdieu (oh no, did i do it???).

sometimes people are just into niche things and want to share them with their friends.
i'm really into fiddle jams from before 1934 and pretty much have NO ONE to talk about that with except a few other ppl who I barely ever see IRL.
the difference i think, is that when i try to talk to my friends abotu this stuff or play them records, they're not feeling insecure and slighted... just bored.

Jesse Michaels needs to set that to a rockin' ska-punk beat and sing it really fast.

i genuinely know very few hipster ceramicists; the vast majority at any studio i've been to are grammas and housewives with like a 20% production potter (read: makes stuff for sale, primarily on etsy and generally the same general form over and over and over) and 5% fine artist bent. Hipster pottery studios are out there tho'; pretty sure Choplet fits the mold.

My sister seriously burnt her hands year before last...because she took her pottery out of the kiln before it was cool! *rimshot*

A cursory search suggests the term "one-upmanship" dates to the early 20th century. Although in some cases "upmanship" is in the eye of the beholder: Am I attempting one-upmanship by talking enthusiastically about Poverty Row pre-code film, or is the person who doesn't find that subject so engrossing ascribing one-upmanship to me?

Sometimes it's less about establishing superiority and more about establishing that you're both part of the same nerdy fraternity (spent a minute deciding whether I should use that gendered word or not and decided to leave it alone)

when men do it it's one-upsmanship
when women do it it's yammering

lol

lol/sob

i just talk about things

or i don't

one-upsPERSONship

it's not about the intention of the speaker though -- one-upsmanship and yammering (like nagging) are in the eye of the beholder
that's why there is no way out of this sinkhole

I feel like stopping short and apologizing isn't necessarily an indicator that you're used to criticism -- sometimes it's due to the recognizing that you're dominating the conversation.

The people I've known who have been the best speakers have been able to introduce topics in a way that allows people without any knowledge get up to speed and those in the know aren't bored. It's really, really difficult! Pausing for the other person to indicate that they're interested is important.

I've definitely been part of conversations that were taken over by one-upmanship, chest-puffing through long drops of irrelevant info, or mansplaining. Definitely not limited to hipster interests.

knowledge and taste is so ingrained as a marker of social status

this is really a caricature of the hipster-as-geek, though!

there is no way an intern we had at work last summer was not yammering

he interrupted a trilingual person who was talking about a book she'd read on language learning to yammer on about what languages are hard to learn

Why does every conversation have to be aimed at allowing people without any knowledge to get up to speed?

it doesn't! gauging your audience is key.

mh otm
conversational skills are not a given part of language proficiency and because you are having a conversation with a human being and your goal is ostensibly not to alienate that person?

There are so many things that I would love to listen to people speak about, especially if they're enthusiastic and knowledgeable. At the very least, that's a good way to connect to people. But many people have absolutely no interest in hearing about arbitrary topics in depth, even if they introduced them.

I just think about the dudes who are occasionally at comic book stores. I like comics, although not necessarily the same ones they do, but I can't do anything with a conversation that is mostly talking about minutiae and one-upping by throwing in jokey references. I like nice stories and art and would like to talk to how I relate to that stuff.

There is a valid point somewhere in this article - that these kind of people and conversations are often pretty boring and oppressive to others. But making that into some critique of a supposed "cultural materialism game" is silly. You're not Guy Debord (someone please feel free to mention a couple of more obscure and cool theorists if you wanna play the game). This dude needs to find himself some non-dull pals.

the one-upsmanship (or, if you prefer "one-upspersonship") mindset is a major turn-off and killer of otherwise free & easy conversations/relationships. i think as a natural-born jokey smart-aleck that i sometimes unwittingly provoke others to go into a perverse competitive one-upsmanship mode when in fact i don't give a fuck about anything other than hearing things said that are hilarious. is this non-sequitirish? fine, i find non-sequitirial conversation funny also.

I'm not sure if I get the hostility vibe off of recommendations like this blogger, either. I mean, I'll occasionally say "yeah this album is cool!" about something that is related to the topic of conversation, but I don't get all emotionally invested in the supposed ~cultural transaction~ that's taking place. I might be invested in the emotional connection to the music, though.

I feel like that's a stereotypical male/nerd thing, though, where you can make a bullet-pointed list about how an album relates to other albums and how great the playing is and whatever else but your actual relationship to the art is obscured by all these things!

I'm just saying that sometimes the point isn't to "one-up" someone but to test the waters and see if the person you're talking to is someone you can geek out with

And also that the insecure reaction the blogger is describing is also often borne of unrealized competitiveness.

there are definitely different types of geeking-out conversations, a subtype of which is most certainly one-upping

bottom line --avoid conversations with these people!

no need to if that's something you like! I mean, get down with your bad self.

articles like this annoy me in general because it seems like the authors tend to do a lot of mind-reading of other people and tend to come to the conclusion that people don't do enough mind-reading in their day to day lives

I don't really get that article, is it about being a teenager?

oh i get it now, it's about people who listen vs people who just wait to talk.

lol hipsters

i dont even have a mind-reader

I'm just saying that sometimes the point isn't to "one-up" someone but to test the waters and see if the person you're talking to is someone you can geek out with

― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, June 19, 2014 5:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. honestly i don't have a ton of friends who geek out on the same stuff i do, so when i meet people and realize that they might have some similar interests it can be a good opportunity to connect w/ someone over it. i got super into bill callahan last year but really pretty much in a vacuum except for ILM and when i met a co-worker who loves callahan as much as i do it was pretty fucking awesome! i think we may have alienated another co-worker who approached us during a conversation about callahan b/c we didn't really stop talking about him. i kind of felt bad about it, but at the same time was i like, hey, i don't have anybody to talk about this except for this dude so i am going to take advantage of that.

also when i do meet people to talk about music or whatever with, i've rarely felt like they are trying to compete with me. i didn't really identify w/ the tumblr guy who wrote that.

I've developed some unspoken/internal rules about that sort of thing. For example, if I and two of my co-workers take a walk to grab lunch, I make sure not to "geek out" with one co-worker about something the other one isn't into. But if there are four or more of us, I figure it's ok if I geek out with one because the other 2/3 can still talk to each other.

also when i do meet people to talk about music or whatever with, i've rarely felt like they are trying to compete with me. i didn't really identify w/ the tumblr guy who wrote that.

― marcos, Friday, June 20, 2014 9:46 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

also this doesn't really happen to me because ime men (usually it's men he's talking about, right?) do not appear to feel compelled to compete with me. other things maybe (rarely), but not competition. i dunno. ultimately who cares? i would rather talk about bill callahan than talk about how people should talk about bill callahan in an inoffensive way.

bottom line --avoid conversations with these people!